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This summer, the sex scandal that has bedeviled the Catholic Church went critical.

First came the stunning revelation that Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, former Archbishop of Washington and friend to presidents, had for decades been a predator-priest who preyed on seminarians and abused altar boys, and whose depravity was widely known and covered up.

Came then the report of a Pennsylvania grand jury that investigated six dioceses and found that some 300 priests had abused 1,000 children over the last 70 years.

The bishop of Pittsburgh, Donald Wuerl, now Cardinal Archbishop of Washington, defrocked some of these corrupt priests, but reassigned others to new parishes where new outrages were committed.

This weekend brought the most stunning accusation.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, Vatican envoy to the United States under Pope Benedict XVI, charged that Pope Francis had been told of McCarrick’s abuses, done nothing to sanction him, and that, as “zero tolerance” of sexual abuse is Francis’ own policy, the pope should resign.

In his 11-page letter of accusations, Vigano further charged that there is a powerful “homosexual current” among the Vatican prelates closest to the pope.

What did the pope know and when did he know it?

Not unlike Watergate, the issue here is whether Pope Francis knew what was going on in the Vatican and in his Church, and why he was not more resolute in rooting out the moral squalor.

Orthodox, conservative and traditionalist Catholics are the most visible and vocal demanding an accounting. Progressive and liberal Catholics, to whom Pope Francis and Cardinal McCarrick were seen as allies on issues of sexual morality, have been thrown on the defensive.

Now, accusations alone are neither proof nor evidence.

Yet there is an obligation, an imperative, given the gravity of the revelations, that the Vatican address the charges.

When did Pope Francis become aware of McCarrick’s conduct, which appears to have been widely known? Did he let his close friendship with McCarrick keep him from doing his papal and pastoral duty?

This destructive scandal has been bleeding for decades. Too long. The Church is running out of time. It needs to act decisively now.

Priests who prey on parochial school children and altar boys are not only sinners, they are criminal predators who belong in penitentiary cells not parish rectories. They ought to be handed over to civil authorities.

While none of us is without sin, sexually active and abusive clergy should be severed from the priesthood. There needs to be a purge at the Vatican, removing or retiring bishops, archbishops and cardinals, the revelation of whose past misconduct would further feed this scandal.

For too long, the Catholic faithful have been forced to pay damages and reparations for crimes and sins of predator priests and the hierarchy’s collusion and complicity in covering them up.

And it needs be stated clearly: This is a homosexual scandal.

Almost all of the predators and criminals are male, as are most of the victims: the boys, the teenagers, the young seminarians.

Applicants to the seminary should be vetted the way applicants to the National Security Council are. Those homosexually inclined should be told the priesthood of the Church is not for them, as it is not for women.

Secular society will call this invidious discrimination, but it is based on what Christ taught and how he established his Church.

Inevitably, if the church is to remain true to herself, the clash with secular society, which now holds that homosexuality is natural and normal and entitled to respect, is going to widen and deepen.

For in traditional Catholic teaching, homosexuality is a psychological and moral disorder, a proclivity toward acts that are intrinsically wrong, and everywhere and always sinful and depraved, and ruinous of character.

The idea of homosexual marriages, recently discovered to be a constitutional right in the USA, remains an absurdity in Catholic doctrine.

If the Church’s highest priority is to coexist peacefully with the world, it will modify, soften, cease to preach, or repudiate these beliefs, and follow the primrose path of so many of our separated Protestant brethren.

But if she does, it will not be the same Church that over centuries accepted martyrdom to remain the faithful custodian of Gospel truths and sacred tradition.

And how has the embrace of modernity and its values advanced the religious faiths whose leaders sought most earnestly to accommodate them?

The Church is going through perhaps its gravest crisis since the Reformation. Since Vatican II, the faithful have been departing, some leaving quietly, others embracing agnosticism or other faiths.

“Who am I to judge?” said the pope when first pressed about the morality of homosexuality.

Undeniably, Francis, and the progressive bishops who urge a new tolerance, a new understanding, a new appreciation of the benign character of homosexuality, have won the plaudits of a secular press that loathed the Church of Pius XII.

Of what value all those wonderful press clippings now, as the chickens come home to roost in Vatican City?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2018

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  1. bj says:

    Orthodox, conservative and traditionalist Catholics are the most visible and vocal demanding an accounting. Progressive and liberal Catholics, to whom Pope Francis and Cardinal McCarrick were seen as allies on issues of sexual morality, have been thrown on the defensive.

    Viganò and the Homosexual Network

  2. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Catholicism is so over. It should be called Gay-tholicism.

    Also, what do you expect from a religion that doesn’t allow its priests to marry? What kind of decent man is going to be attracted to such calling? They’ll just suffer from explosive-ball-syndrome.

    Another thing. In the past, the church has genuine power and prestige. So, even if you committed yourself to self-denying celibacy, there was compensation in respect and authority. You were respected by the community, from elites to the masses.
    These days, no one respects priests anymore. So, who would want to give up family-and-sex for a thankless profession that no one pays attention to? Men and women who get the most respect are the humpers.

    But worse than homo-ization of the church is the Africanization. As Europeans have given up on the faith, the church is being taken over by Africans. Vatican will be an African stronghold in Europe, and it won’t be long before there is a Negro pope, possibly even before there is a black 007. Already, the real gods of New West are MLK and Mandela(MLK for EU). Imagine a black pope on top of that.

    Christianity had a long great run. But it is over. Its great formula can be seen in HAIL CAESAR and RISEN, both movies about the fusion of Jewish prophecy and Pagan Military Prowess.

    But everything is falling apart. Even Judaism is shaking. MOTHER! shows the crisis of the Jewish mind.
    And Paul Schrader’s FIRST REFORMED shows Protestantism veering off the wheels, trying to stay relevant either through commercialism or radicalism.

    These are crisis times, a time for new visions and religions.

  3. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    The homosexual cancer goes back 2000 years before Francis.

    There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved….leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom…” (John 13:23-25)

    The things you learn from a semen-arian that make you go hmm.

  4. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    This guy looks like a fruit from a mile away.

  5. This is a homosexual scandal. Almost all of the predators and criminals are male, as are most of the victims

    When he was interviewed in 2010, the Vatican official responsible for investigating sex abuse said that 60 per cent of the cases involved ‘adolescents of the same sex’, 30 per cent were heterosexual, and ten per cent involved ‘sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children.’

  6. Any time you treat a group of people like “priests” who are to be put up on a pedestal, you get problems. This is true whether it is priest, preachers or professors.

  7. MEH 0910 says:

    Is Pope Francis a homosexual?

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
  8. cynic says:

    Maybe it’s worse than protecting child molesters; maybe it’s personal participation. Here’s an examination of the Pope’s horoscope, suggesting that his own father probably abused him, and that he is fiddling with the finances of the Church as well as with children. The astrologer predicts that this Pope will not last long, and will go down amidst great scandal, probably poisoned by his own prelates;
    Prelatial Poisoning of Peculating Paedophilia Protecting and Participating Pontiff Predicted:

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  9. anon[241] • Disclaimer says:

    Are all married men decent? Bill Clinton? Harvey Weinstein? Trump? Ted Kennedy? Elliot Spitzer?
    Nikola Tesla never married. Was he indecent?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @HallParvey
  10. Hans says:

    How many Communist infiltrators did Bella Dodd testify they had placed in the Church? 1100? 1300?

    No one who cared about the Church would ever have kept abusers in the priesthood.

    They were kept and the scandal covered up in order to destroy the Church.

    They just had to let the problem go on long enough.

    And, people do not bugger children because they have taken vows of celibacy.

    Bella Dodd, Communist Leader on Catholic Church Infiltration –

    The Pavlovian “McCarthyism” meme remains one of the foundational pillars in American “democracy.”

    For those who have yet to question it and who don’t have the time to read Stanton Evans’ Blacklisted by History, Mike King has a new book out. Highly recommended

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  11. Between the homosexuality and being headed by a globalist stooge, the Catholic Church is so over. Add to this the fact that White people just aren’t religious anymore and you can see where all this is going.

    Christianity is alien to White people. It’s a Semitic desert religion that doesn’t speak to our souls. Whites who feel a need for the spiritual life should explore the Pagan traditions of Europe instead.

  12. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:

    Communist “infiltrators” were merely returning to home base, as noted by Ludgwig von Mises who wrote that “primitive Christianity is Bolshevism.” (Socialism, p. 413) Marx’s maxim promoting common property is lifted straight from the Bible:

    Jew Testament
    • “each according to his ability” (Matthew 25:15)
    • “all things were common property to them…and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need” (Acts 4:32-35)

    Jew Marx
    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

    John the Baptist was a communist too.

    John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” (Luke 3:11)

    And for those excuse-makers who say the Church’s Communism is “voluntary,” the double murder for money in Acts 5:1-11 puts the lie to that notion. “Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property…Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.” What is done out of great fear isn’t voluntary, it’s done out of coercion.

    • Replies: @Hans
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  13. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    The Africanization of the Church was promoted by the Holy Jewspirit and the Jewapostle Philip when the first Black was recruited in Acts 8:26-40. By Acts 13:1, Blacks were being elevated to leadership positions as “teachers and prophets.” That happened because Christianity has always been a Jewish universalist cult.

    John 3:16 “For Jewgod so loved the kosmos [universe]…that the kosmos [universe] through Jewgod might be saved.”

    Thus it’s no surprise to discover the International Jew (Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47) cult leader Jewsus demands that his followers hate their blood kin (Luke 14:26) and forsake their own soil (Matthew 19:27-30), all the while denigrating Gentile white patriarchy (Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, Luke 22:25) as evil. Amazing how some things haven’t changed for 2000 years.

    Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious, in (((his))) sight.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  14. @anon

    That would be a logical rejoinder if he had alleged, absurdly, that all married men are decent men or that all single men are morally indecent. Of course, he said nothing of the sort. But you keep winning that argument with the straw man.

  15. @Johnny Smoggins

    Your blanket assumptions are too general. There’s an entire portion of America here between the Appalachians and the Rockies. You could even visit it some time. Or keep flying over it.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  16. Hans says:

    Ah, the centuries of infiltration and undermining were unnecessary. Thank you for the belly laughs.

    Do expose the hidden Communism that existed across Europe under Christianity in the centuries prior to the Bolsheviks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Capitalism rules and it caters to human nature to sell stuff.

    Church cannot win. It can come back only if the system fails.

  18. How is the fact that the Catholic priests are homosexuals and prey on every sort of catholic youth a surprise to anyone? I’m 66 years old and have heard of this since the time I was able to understand an English sentence.

  19. Virgile says:

    Oriental Christian Churches based on Catholicism and recognized by the Vatican accept married priests. Russian, Armenian and Greek Orthodox church too. No one hears about boys abuses in these churches. In other religions, Islam and Hebraic, men of religions do marry.

    Catholicism’s celibacy is an obsolete and dangerous tradition . If Catholicism allows married priests, it will also regain vocations that have been discouraged by that absurd and inhuman rule.
    Monks living in monasteries are the only ones that would need to single.
    Let the Pope leave his name in history by cancelling that rule.

  20. @Virgile

    No one hears about boys abuses in these churches.

    This is an outrageously false statement!

    See here for a whole website dedicated to survivors of sexual abuse by Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholic priests.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hans
    , @Virgile
  21. @Johnny Smoggins

    Ah, yes, the pagan traditions of Europe, which fell apart and converted because they lacked the substance of Catholicism. If you can actually read, I recommend The Everlasting Man by Chesterton.

    The portion of the Alt-Right focused on dissing Christianity really needs to get bent.

  22. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    One diocese of RC church has more cases than all this site covered. Plus most of the sources are from leftie sited.

    And even RC church can’t come nowhere near UNICEF or any other “secular institution” like public schools for example.

    Ofc. Virgile got a bi carried away, with his claim, plus main reason whole scandal in RC church got that big is mostly because rather odd cannon, that actually encourages protection of these pedos, by simply moving them to new place.

  23. Catholic Church is entire civilization. Basically, if we leave aside metaphysical issues, RCC was the force that created early modern West (and preserved the heritage of the Greco-Roman culture). For a believer like Pat, the Church is just a visible part of the fundamental triple entity, i.e. Ecclesia Militans (,_Penitent,_and_Triumphant ).

    But, taking a more empirical approach: isn’t the Church simply too big, too diverse & too…medieval? Too ungovernable? Pedo scandals seem, now, the burning issue. In my opinion, this can be dealt with. Just, fundamental question remains: have Western peoples overgrown any religion? Some may still feel an attraction to medieval mystique as represented in the Catholic Church; others prefer Hamburger Christianity, which is Americanized Protestantism; others still may belong to Eastern Orthodox denominations, which are national religions- essentially Judaism in the guise of Christianity.

    If Judaism is Ur-Kebab, and Islam Kebab on steroids- isn’t Christianity the Euro-Kebab? And, however many of us may feel sentimental towards our past, perhaps the time of Kebab, in any form, for Euro peoples has passed…

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  24. Corvinus says:

    “Catholicism is so over.”

    It certainly is on the decline, but it’s definitively not over.

    “What kind of decent man is going to be attracted to such calling?”

    Pious men.

    “They’ll just suffer from explosive-ball-syndrome.”

    Some will.

    “These days, no one respects priests anymore.”

    That is clearly false. Congregation members in particular hold their priests in high esteem for spiritual guidance. When you employ terms such as “no one” or “never” or “always”, your position is easily destroyed.

    “As Europeans have given up on the faith, the church is being taken over by Africans.”

    Faith is not centered along racial and ethnic lines.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. The Catholic Church has terminal, metastasized, gay, pedo cancer. Put it out of its misery.

  26. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Can do, cackling fool.

    Jesus’s words are full of resentment against the rich, and the Apostles are no meeker in this respect. The Rich Man is condemned because he is rich, the Beggar praised because he is poor…. In God’s Kingdom the poor shall be rich, but the rich shall be made to suffer. Later revisers have tried to soften the words of Christ against the rich … but there is quite enough left to support those who incite the world to hatred of the rich, revenge, murder and arson…. This is a case in which the Redeemer’s words bore evil seed. More harm has been done, and more blood shed, on account of them than by the persecution oaf heretics and the burning of witches. They have always rendered the Church defenceless against all movements which aim at destroying human society. The church as an organization has certainly always stood on the side of those who tried to ward off communistic attack. But it … was continually disarmed by the words: “Blessed be ye poor; for yours is the Kingdom of God.”

    Ludwig von Mises
    Socialism, p. 420

    Of course, Francis is the Pope most like Jewsus, thus, the Church has gone full Commie now.

  27. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Christian faith, being universalist (John 3:16), is not centered along racial and ethnic lines. Except the Jews are still super-special (Matthew 15:24). Jewsus was a typical Jew talking out of both sides of his mouth: nationalism for me, universalism for thee. Nothing much has changed in 2000 years!

  28. I was told 90%+ of McCarrick’s sins in 2002 by a priest of Opus Dei, plus various related things, including that when word got out that McCarrick was in line for D.C., a dossier was sent to the Vatican by a concerned group. The response was that it was too late. I was also told that the nuncio had forced McC to sell “Sodom by the Sea.” I had no other status or connections; Father saw that I was a kindred spirit and poured out his heart on this and other matters. He also was very upset about John Paul II’s attack on capital punishment, and made the mistake of giving me an extract on the subject by an Italian traditionalist schola that led me to becoming an SSPX faithful in a matter of months.

    With Vatican II, the modernism condemned by St. Pius X became the faith of the Church leadership, and in the last half century has made great progress in replacing Almighty God with Almighty Man. Pope Francis is busy finishing the job by trashing morals as his predecessors have trashed faith. Crazy as it may sound, clerical sodomy is one of our lesser problems.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Yeah, we’ll get bent just as soon as you obey the Jews’ 10 commandments and have no other god before thee. But, as it stands, you’re still honoring Norse gods four days per week.

    • Tuesday, named to honor the Norse god of war, Tiu, or Tyr, the son of Odin.
    • Wednesday, named to honor Odin, or Woden, chief god in Norse mythology.
    • Thursday, named to honor Thor, Norse god of thunder.
    • Friday, named to honor the Norse goddess of love, Frigg, or Frija.

    Plus a Roman god Saturn tomorrow, and the Sun and Moon gods after that. Of course, Jesus is nothing more than another iteration of a pagan Sun God anyway, which is why Sun Day is so special, along with those Easter Sun Rise services. And try finding “Easter” in the Bible.

    Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

    Welcome to the pagan party, pal.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  30. From Paul

    King James Bible

    2 Thessalonians 3:10

    For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

    Maybe Jesus was actually a Randroid.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  31. @Bardon Kaldian

    “…isn’t the Church simply too big, too diverse…?” Yes. Diversity has killed the RCC. Diversity is a cancer, AIDS. Not Christianity. Jesus said we are the temples.

    The RCC has a new trinity: homos, groids, gloids. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines. We need a new church only for the West.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anonymous
  32. anastasia says:

    Where did Rome get this idea that you cannot turn over a criminal priest to the secular authorities? See below. And who brought this Rabbinical idea into the Church? . Was it the Jesuits? If they did, this cancer started growing in the 16th Century.

    Mesirah (or mesira, Hebrew: to turn over‎) is the action in which one Jew reports the conduct of another Jew to a non-Rabbinic authority in a manner and under the circumstances forbidden by Rabbinic Law.[1]

  33. @Anon

    Hi, Attila. I’ve wondered now and then where you’ve been.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  34. @cynic

    Keep on with your spells
    and your many sorceries,
    at which you toiled from your youth.
    Perhaps you can prevail,
    perhaps you can strike terror!
    13 You wore yourself out with so many consultations!
    Let the astrologers stand forth to save you,
    The stargazers who forecast at each new moon
    what would happen to you.
    14 See, they are like stubble,
    fire consumes them;
    They cannot deliver themselves
    from the spreading flames.
    This is no warming ember,
    no fire to sit before!
    15 Thus do your wizards serve you
    with whom you have toiled from your youth;
    They wander their separate ways,
    with none to save you.

    – Isaiah 47

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Per/Norway
  35. @Virgile

    There are predators everywhere there are children: sports, scouting, churches and schools not affiliated with the RC Church. Many of the predators are in seemingly conventional heterosexual marriages.

    Marriage isn’t going to deter someone who’s turned on by kids. And that includes gay marriage.

    • Replies: @Virgile
  36. @Anonymous

    Actually, they lied about their contribution. Their virtue-signalling, not the amount they chose to give, was the issue.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s hilarious when apologists bring up that verse, as if it means anything. Any number of Soviet work camps in Siberia had exactly the same work-or-starve rule.

    Meanwhile, you gloss over the word “command.” Do you enjoy being bossed around in a Command Economy like in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, hmm?

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  38. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Ah, yes, the pagan traditions of Europe, which fell apart and converted because they lacked the substance of Catholicism.”

    I suppose one could make the case that the Christian, including Catholic, traditions are falling apart and converting because they lack the vigour and substance of humanism and materialism in our modern age.

  39. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Oh really? So would you say that people under the age of 30 in flyover country attend church as regularly as their grandparents did?

  40. Anonymous[805] • Disclaimer says:

    I agree, we need a new church only for the West. However, the new church must be one that doesn’t worship the Jew and rely on the Jew for afterlife tales of salvation.

    We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22

    Christianity is a punchbowl of European pagan traditions with a gigantic Jewturd floating in the middle. Time to remove Jew. Jewsus is a Jewish foreigner who openly despised Gentiles, and he has to go back.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  41. @Anonymous

    And of course Christmas, cough “Jesus’ birthday” cough, which is really the Celtic/Norse celebration of the winter solstice.

  42. Anonymous[805] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    So a couple getting wet feet and deciding to not give what was promised to a religious organization is now a capital crime worthy of instantaneous killing, because virtue signaling? That’s an interesting legal theory you’ve got going there, worthy of a Mafia don.

    Meanwhile, you gloss over the fact that the double murder, a felony, was admittedly used as a means of “great fear” (Acts 5:11) to coerce people, which actually is another felony crime.

    (Class D felony)
    PENAL LAW 135.65(2)
    A person is guilty of coercion in the first degree when 1 he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct…by means of instilling in him or her a fear

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  43. @Anonymous

    Omni-Belligerent Ass Hole.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  44. @Anonymous

    Dropping down dead of shock when your secret is discovered isn’t capital punishment. Nobody made them give anything at all: they just didn’t want Barnabas to outshine them. Maybe you need to reread Acts 5.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Buchanan is the foremost Catholic thinker in modern American history.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  46. gsjackson says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    I’ll take the guy in post 1 — Michael Jones. Or Joe Sobran. Or Wilmoore Kendall.

  47. @Anonymous

    “Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important, and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed, and all those who were loyal to him were disbanded and came to nothing. 37 After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census. He also drew people after him, but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered. 38 So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. 39 But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them; you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”
    Acts 5

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  48. Dumbo says:

    I’m going to disagree with the “conventional wisdom” that links celibacy of priests with sexual abuse.

    First of all, most of those scandals really consist in homosexual acts. A man with normal heterosexual inclinations would NOT become gay or pedophile just because of celibacy. What you would see more is priests abandoning the priesthood to get married, and while this happens, it’s not so often.

    Second, my general impression is that celibacy does not increase the appetite for sex, on the contrary, it reduces it. Sex (like drugs or alcohol) is something that, the more you have, the more you want. And if you think that married persons never sexually abuse children or young people, I have a bridge to sell you. (In fact, a married predator can abuse more, as he will likely have more access to children)

    Third, while some level of corruption is expected in all human institutions, and the Church is not exempt, what we are seeing and have seen for decades now is really a purposeful infiltration of homosexuals in the Vatican (an example:

    But I agree that the Catholic Church (and by extension) all Christianity in general is in a big moment of crisis and it is unknown what will happen. We are approaching a moment of reckoning.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  49. Dumbo says:

    As for Paganism, I like the Greek and Nordic gods and goddesses as much as anyone, but, unless people go back to sacrificing animals and people for them, and all the required rituals, it won’t go anywhere, and I don’t see this happening. Yes, a lot of new age types like playing paganism-light, but real religion needs actual faith and belief, that’s just the way it goes. Maybe it could happen, but I doubt it.

    On the other hand, secularism has shown itself incapable of maintaining societies for a long time. It seems that people really need faith and belief in the supernatural, that is, in something beyond mere materialism. Even if it is something stupid as NIXVM or Scientology or whatever. If not people just basically give up on living and reproducing, as it’s happening in the West now.

    So, either Christianity will be reborn and save Europe (as Chesterton in a way predicted), or maybe a new religion will arise from the (self-)destruction of the West. Honestly, I have no idea.

  50. @Anon

    One can only wonder what Jesus would have said to his wife, Mary Magdalene, had he had an inkling of what would come to pass in his name.

  51. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Catholics can never get past this by apologizing.

    Send the non pedo homos back into the closet. Set an age that is realistic (post pubescent) and don’t call anything that beyond that age pedophilia. Lawyers, media, and enemies will beat the church like a rented mule over peso stuff from 70 years ago..

    There has been way too much piling on.

    Pat is right about maintaining a probation on homosexuality.

    Your enemies are merciless. Don’t let them conflate normal homo stuff with the crime of pedophilia. Don’t be afraid of charges of hypocrisy. Its shameful, but not illegal. Civilization requires a taste. They are the ones that normalized it. I don’t even like the RCC that much – but I know piling on when I see it.

  52. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Bishop John Shelby Spong has written that Christian dogma is destroying Christianity which must change or die out.

  53. Mr. Buchanan’ article shows moral courage rarely seen among Catholics nowadays. The author reference to Vatican II puts the matter of the occult Catholic Church under the spotlight.
    However, for those interested in a thorough analysis of the transformation of the Catholic Church from the Church of Christ to the current church that shares the same bed with other powerful secret societies, I highly recommend the following book written by the propaply the highest Catholic scholar on the subject, Mr. Michael Hoffman: THE OCCULT RENAISSANCE CHURCH OF ROME.
    Mr. Hoffman’s unbiased and meticulous research is second to none. It delves into the true role of the Catholic Church and how the Church’s hierarchy fools the lower ranks of the Catholic clergy and the laity.
    The revelations of this book will open the eyes of any researcher to the true face of most popes who ruled the church over the past five centuries. Only then can one realise that the current Pope is not such an aberration as he might seem to be.

  54. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The white-hating Jewess Barbara Specter claims the same thing. It’s funny how Jew-addled Christians always turn against their own people, but then, that is exactly what Jewsus commanded them to do, turn on their own, and hate their blood kin (Luke 14:26) and forsake their own soil (Matthew 19:27-30).

    Think Jewsus will reward you enough in Jerusalem for being a traitor to your own, hmm? A reward for being a traitor to your own is what you’re seeking, it says so in the Jew Testament.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I’ve read it. Maybe you need to again. The couple got murdered over:

    Money. Acts 5:2
    Money. Acts 5:3
    Money. Acts 5:4

    Murder over money caused the “great fear” in Acts 5:11. Unless you’re saying that everybody in the Christian church is a cheat, and afraid of “dropping down dead of shock when their secret is discovered.” Didn’t think of that, did you? Excuse makers always paint themselves in a corner, because they’re trying to avoid facing reality.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  56. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @John McFarland

    Replacing Almighty God with Almighty Man, isn’t that why the Jews killed Jesus?

    “Because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” (John 10:33)

    So what’s the problem?

    • Replies: @John McFarland
  57. @Dumbo

    Spot on.
    David Icke claims in his book ‘ The Deception Perception ‘ that the Rothschilds have a sperm bank that is used to procreate outside their insectuous marriages for the purpose of raising agents whose destined to infiltrate the church and hijack it from within. No wonder Pope Francis is seen kissing the hand of the Rothschild patriarch.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  58. @Anonymous

    They didn’t have to tell the story at all, let alone give a distorted version, as you claim.

    Why accept any of it, if you don’t accept all of it? It’s not a Chinese menu.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. @Anonymous

    Give me that real old time religion (3X)
    It’s good enough for me!


    (Just a few Verses):
    I hear Valkyries a-comin
    In the air their song is comin
    They forgot the words! They’re hummin!
    But they’re good enough for me!

    We will drive up to Valhalla
    Riding Beetles, not Impalas
    Singing “Deutschland Uber Alles”
    And that’s good enough for me!

    It was good enough for Loki
    It was good enough for Loki
    He thinks Thor’s a little hokey
    And that’s good enough for me!

    Shall we sing in praise of Loki,
    Though he left poor Midgard smokey?
    Oh, his sense of humor’s hokey,
    But he’s good enough for me!

    All the Gods tore into Loki
    Saying Deicide is hokey!
    And they threw him in the pokey!
    And that’s good enough for me!

    Good old Thor’s the god of thunder
    Really helps us get our plunder
    Tho his head’s still truly dunder
    He is good enough for me!

    In the halls of Frey and Freyja
    All the priestesses will lay ya
    If you’re good enough, they’ll pay ya!
    And that’s good enough for me!

    One-eyed Odin we will follow
    And in fighting we will wallow
    Till we wind up in Valhallow
    Which is good enough for me!

    It was good enough for Odin
    Though the tremblin’ got forbodin’
    Then the giants finally strode in,
    But it’s good enough for me!

    Shall we sing a verse for Thor,
    Though he leaves the maidens sore?
    They always come back for more,
    So he’s good enough for me!

    It was good for Thor and Odin
    It was good for Thor and Odin
    Grab an ax and get your woad on!
    and it’s good enough for me!

    We will worship now with vigor
    The goddess known as Frigga
    Tho there are some who don’t dig her
    She is good enough for me!

    If you wanna worship Odin
    You don’t have to have a coat on
    Grab a sword and slap some woad on
    And that’s good enough for me!

    We will sing a verse for Loki
    He’s the old Norse god of Chaos
    Which is why this verse don’t
    rhyme or scan or nothin’
    But it’s good enough for me…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  60. @Joe Levantine

    The book’s name is ” the perception deception”

  61. anonymous[819] • Disclaimer says:

    Jesus said we are the temples.

    That boils down to your belief in the delusion, er I mean, doctrine of trinity, yeah?

    You know the pagans from the land of cows have something called family-level deities. So and so, is our family or community deity, they say.

    The following are some creative metaphors Christians have cooked up to “explain” the trinity. This too may be along the same lines as the pagans above, something like, “family-level metaphors.” Each family or congregation should have a unique metaphor, yeah?

    I wonder what deceitful metaphors witch families of your kind have to come up with?

    Attilathehen: Ok child, now that you have come of age, please accept and take care of this unique geometry based metaphor to comprehend our beloved trinity.
    Child: But ma, that makes no phucking sense!!!!
    Attilathehen: That’s ok child, I don’t understand what the phuck that means too!!

    It is all so cute and hilarious. 😉

  62. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Do you ever grow weary of mocking White Gentile culture from old Europe, Jew-worshiper?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  63. @Anonymous

    For a traditional Catholic (that is, one who believes what the Church taught prior to Vatican II), the problem is that Jesus’s numerous miracles demonstrated that he was in fact God as well as man, but the Jewish leadership was not willing to accept his leadership, trafficked unsuccessfully in all sorts of BS and loaded questions to try to discredit him, and finally orchestrated his crucifixion.

    Pope Paul VI said at the end of Vatican II that it was all about getting friendly with the Church’s enemies and in the process purifying them. The getting friendly happened in spades. The purification happened not at all. On the contrary, the Church’s leadership adopted some of the positions of its enemies and ceased criticizing others, while not admitting that that was what it was doing. That leadership is in effect running a liberal Protestant denomination and either ignoring or persecuting those who uphold the Church’s traditional doctrine and practice.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  64. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Why accept any of it, if you don’t accept all of it?

    “There are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive it — let him receive.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

    So cut off your nuts for heaven sake. Oh, you’re a female? Why are you even speaking to me, you stupid whore of satan?

    “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

    It’s not a Chinese menu.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  65. @Anonymous


    Here’s the kind of “Jew-worshiper” I’d like to be, and after is a good description of the Jew I worship:

    Not only a Christian but such a Christian — a vile, sneaking, simpering, demure, monosyllabic, mouse-like, watery, insignificant, virginal, bread-and-butter miss. The little brute. She makes me vomit. She stinks and scalds through the very pages of the dossier. It drives me mad, the way the world has worsened. We’d have had her to the arena in the old days. That’s what her sort is made for. Not that she’d do much good there, either. A two-faced little cheat (I know the sort) who looks as if she’d faint at the sight of blood and then dies with a smile. A cheat every way. Looks as if butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth and yet has a satirical wit. The sort of creature who’d find ME funny!

    ….He’s a hedonist at heart. All those fasts and vigils and stakes and crosses are only a façade. Or only like foam on the sea shore. Out at sea, out in His sea, there is pleasure, and more pleasure. He makes no secret of it; at His right hand are “pleasures for evermore”. Ugh! I don’t think He has the least inkling of that high and austere mystery to which we rise in the Miserific Vision. He’s vulgar, Wormwood. He has a bourgeois mind. He has filled His world full of pleasures. There are things for humans to do all day long without His minding in the least — sleeping, washing, eating, drinking, making love, playing, praying, working, Everything has to be twisted before it’s any use to us. We fight under cruel disadvantages. Nothing is naturally on our side. (Not that that excuses you. I’ll settle with you presently. You have always hated me and been insolent when you dared.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s right, meek sheep, I am O*B*A*H. Looks like you can’t even inherit the comment column, much less the earth. You need to drop the Jewsus-worship and man up.

    And by man-up, I mean face death like a man. The only thing you get from worshiping Jewsus is a patently false afterlife narrative to ameliorate your mortality salience.

    A non-Jew European already found a method to take away the “sting” of death, long before the Jew Paul stole the term and did a bait-and-switch to Jew-worship.

    Hence, where thou seest a man to grieve because
    When dead he rots with body laid away,
    Or perishes in flames or jaws of beasts,
    Know well: he rings not true, and that beneath
    Still works an unseen sting upon his heart,
    However he deny that he believes.
    His shall be aught of feeling after death.

    De rerum natura
    written 50 B.C.E

  67. @Anonymous

    Women were not to preach in Church, and I never have, nor desire to do so. They were indeed to testify and to instruct the ignorant, as early Christians Prisca, Lydia, Nympha, Phoebe, and Aquila did–at Paul’s direction.

    BTW, I have never charged Satan. It was a mercy s#@g.

  68. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d appreciate if you could show me the term “in church” (or anything close to it) in 1 Timothy 2. The only location I can find in the chapter to which these teachings apply is “everywhere.” (v. 8) Are you going to be quiet and submissive (v. 11), or not?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  69. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Ah, trotting out the Secondary Savior, C.S. Lewis, another degenerate who refused to consummate a marriage. Jesus, Paul, and Lewis, fantasy purveyors who are all failures at the single, easy test of life: generating new life.

    Varg Vikernes, for all his many faults, is much superior. Seven more children than Jesus. Seven more children than Paul. Seven more children than Lewis.

    So why are you quoting abject failures-at-life to me?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  70. Hans says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    It is very, very rarely mentioned. And that it is deliberate and not a surprise given the control of the media by Jewish interests.

  71. @anon

    Wrong question. It should be, “Are all married heterosexual men normal.”
    Christianity of all stripes is about rejecting the natural, the normal, the “World”.

    It is about embracing the unnatural, the magical, the holy, the mysterious. Everybody except normals. Normals should be converted. After all, they are all sinners, with lust in their hearts and must be saved from all that normality. Refer to J. Carters statement.

    By rejecting normal men in favor of not-normal men, in any organization, no one should be surprised by an accumulation of not-normal men.

    Decency isn’t a requirement for marriage. These days, not even opposite sex is required.

  72. What has not been given publicity is the devastating effect the payment of over $3billion in lawsuits to the victims, (and of course the lawyers). of this abuse has been. This incredible amount amount of money has been paid by the Catholic church in the US which has had to sell property and file bankruptcy in order to raise the money. The hardest hit have been the various charities once actively supported by the church. I have seen direct evidence of this.
    My great aunt was the Mother Superior of the Convent of the Good Shepherd in Grand Rapids, Michigan over 75 years ago. I corresponded with a number of the nuns who had been in that convent who are now old and retired. Only one, age 91 is still alive and resides in a church-sponsored nursing home. She like most of her fellow nuns dedicated her life to the service of the church and had no means of accumulating wealth on her own. About two years ago she asked me to send her a small amount of money each month. I was happy to do so but the thought crossed my mind that the church is not supporting her institution as it had always done and it had to be lack of funds due to payment of the law suits. The many good priests, nuns and brothers who are now old have had to rely on the charity of the church to live out their lives in some semblance of dignity. I am afraid this is no longer happening in too many cases. I feel sure Pat is aware of all this.and can expand on it in a future column.

  73. Anonymous[320] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are you reading and commenting the columns of a traditional Catholic writer? Shouldn’t you be somewhere else?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. @Anonymous

    How do you know Lewis never consummated his marriage? Were you there?

  75. @Anonymous

    Haydock on 1Timothy:
    1Ti 2:12 . Paul only means in public. See note on ver. 11. of the next chapter.

    Paul in 1Cor:
    34Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. 35But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

    You are not my husband, ‘Nony dearest. Even if you were, from which possibility good Lord deliver us, your authority could only be as a Christian husband: Sts. Cecilia and Rita converted their husbands.

    Again, I am not teaching in Church: merely testifying, as all good Christians should. Thus did Sts. Catherine of Alexandria and Siena, Sts. Theresa of Avila and Lisieux, and many others, although I cannot hope to do so as well as they did.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. @Rosamond Vincy

    You are a functional illiterate. My comment is no. 31 with my name.

  77. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Excuse-making, otherwise known as “theology.”

  78. @attilathehen

    Mea minima culpa, Amice. I thought I recognized your style.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  79. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Are you aware that this is a nationally syndicated column?

  80. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @John McFarland

    Today’s medicine and technology beats Jesus’ paltry “miracles” by a country mile. Using your standard that doing amazing wonders equals divinity, White Men are Gods now, so who needs a magical Jew?

    “We are as gods and might as well get good at it.”

    -Whole Earth Catalog, 1968

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  81. @anonymous

    Resurrection of the dead? And no, I don’t mean flatlining for 15 minutes. Lazarus was dead for so long, his sister frankly acknowledged that he would stink.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  82. @John McFarland

    The Jewish leadership were particularly threatened because so many ordinary people did believe. If Jesus had been just another crazy self-styled prophet or political radical, like the ones Gamaliel mentioned to the Sanhedrin, they could have ignored him and waited for his cult to fade, as the others did. That wasn’t happening. After the resurrection, many Jews were “cut to the heart” by Peter’s reproaches, although he acknowledged at the Portico “you acted out of ignorance, just as your leaders did.” Thousands converted and were baptized, but very few of them seem to have been leaders.

    The worst immediate result of ecumenism is the addition of whiny Protestant hymns to the liturgy. Oh, and felt banners.

    What a come-down from the glories of Palestrina and Vittoria, or Piero della Francesca and Brunelleschi!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. Relax, this is just routine pedos cornholing altar boys. The Vatican’s got its best fixer on this. Francis is CIA’s man in the Vatican. The guy proved his sang freud and his savwah fair when he handled that problem with Condor chopping off the nun boobs, remember?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  84. anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Resurrection miracles are old hat.

    In 495 BC Cleomedes entered the holy sanctuary of the Goddess Athena, hid in a chest. When the Astypalaeans opened the chest, it was empty! Cleomedes had become immortal.

    Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

    Even in the Jew Testament itself, Jesus was a very tardy latecomer, with Jewish zombies walking about a whole chapter (I’ll let you calculate the time, but apparently 2 or 3 days, depending on which conflicting story you believe) before Jesus decided to re-animate. Ho-hum.

    The tombs broke open and the bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead to walk among the living in the holy city! -Matthew 27:52

    Jesus is not here, He is risen-just as he said. Come see the place where he was lying dead! -Matthew 28:6

    Awkward Moments Bible

    The truly difficult next level-up for the potential God-man is healing amputees.

    If you are an intelligent human being, and if you want to understand the true nature of God, you owe it to yourself to ask, “Why won’t God heal amputees?”

    And biologists are speaking of reanimating woolly mammoths from thousands of years ago. If they ever get it done, that will put Jesus’ bad weekend for your sins to shame, since you made time the element of measure.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  85. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Whiny Protestant hymns, say you? Have you ever talked out of the other side of your mouth about how Christianity united the West? -_-

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  86. @anonymous

    Difference being that Lazarus and other resurrectees had mortal bodies and would eventually die, this time a death like any other death. Jesus was resurrected in a glorified Body, the first fruits of the Resurrection of the Dead, reunited with their bodies at the end of the world.

    At that point, amputees or people blown up by land mines will presumably be restored–footbone connected to the shin-bone.

    It’s no big stretch for God to break the laws of nature. He invented them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  87. @attilathehen

    You are a functional illiterate. My comment is no. 31 with my name.

    Yep, you are definitely a Puritan.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Anonymous
  88. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    You commented the same thing for the Jim Goad article. You are a person of few words. Think about what I just typed.

  89. Technomad says:

    This was apparently a problem a long time before Vatican II, so blaming Vatican II is kind of pushing it. And it isn’t just sexual abuse. Up in Vermont, a bunch of people are suing the Church over what they allege was systematic abuse, and even murder, done at a Catholic orphanage there for many years.

    A big part of the problem was that the Catholic Church had the clout to keep its problems “in-house” and cover them up.

    • Replies: @Lucas McCrudy
  90. @Anonymous

    Full disclosure: I hate “Amazing Grace.”

    The only way it doesn’t sound overdone is played on a harmonica by a prison inmate in a black-and-white movie. Anything else just adds to the misery.

    I’ll take “Ode to Joy,” however–if the harmonies are properly done.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  91. Anonymous[799] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Break the laws of nature? As you’ve just admitted, Christian belief in a trannyformed body is rooted in the same psychological problem as gender-queer trans-sexuals: a rebellion against natural reality.

    HallParvey wisely noted this unnatural perversion of desires above in comment #71, and the Jew Testament itself confirms:

    Be ye trannyformed by the renewing of your frontal cortex rationalization hamster wheel. -Romans 12:2

    Christians and other trannies are actually in rebellion against The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God, as you’ve openly and publicly admitted. Like I’ve been saying, not much has changed in 2000 years. The Christian penchant for unnatural desires pretty much explains the divine pederasty of the priestcraft, which started with the Jewish Rabbi founder, Jesus.

    Pictured above is a sculpture of the Rape of Ganymede.

    Jesus is to Zeus what John the Beloved is to Ganymede. Christian men themselves are engaged to be Jesus’ lovers as Brides of Jewchrist, and expect to be Rape-tured.

    You can confirm all of the above with a semen-arian, if you ply him with enough whiskey for him to reveal the bare truth.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  92. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Was that a compliment?

    Unto the puritans all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. (Titus 1:15)

  93. tyrone says:

    NOW do you understand why GOD destroyed sodom and gomorrah?Pray for repeat

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. Anonymous[774] • Disclaimer says:

    Not so much. That story has Yahweh destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. The same Yahweh who despises G[a/o/aw]D (Isaiah 65:11).

    One of the greatest scams of Christianity was to paste the old Teutonic name God (also Godin, Gotin, Wotan, Woden, Odin) over Jewish deities, and pass off translations of the Jew Testaments as native to Europe.

    Pre-Jew-worshiping European men threw faggots—and men who avoided marriage—into the bog. Jewsus would have been one of them.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  95. Anonymous[597] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Yours is the same pretentious tripe the New York Times prints.

  96. DanGood says:

    Very painful reading the hostile and aggressive opinions here. A lot of homophobia. What needs to happen is clear: the church, meaning all the members, have to recognize their great debt to the many homosexuals who served in the Catholic clergy. Without their love and understanding the Church could never have fulfilled its mission of bring comfort to the faithful.

  97. @Anonymous

    No, priests are married to the Church. Nuns are Brides of Christ.

    The laity are married to each other.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  98. Virgile says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Sorry, this site does not report any homosexual abuses similar to the Catholic churches on children. The abuses I read are about are women and orgies, present in all organizations in the world, including the White House and Hollywood.

  99. Virgile says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I agree, but most of the abuses reported happened in boarding school for boys managed by the Church. This is where the proximity is highest between powerful priests and helpless or troubled boys.I guess married men who have with their own children are less inclined that sex-starved singles to take advantage of kids.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  100. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    A weird perversion of the Roman Vestales (Vestal Virgins) that has morphed into nothing more than a school of carpetmunchers who have stolen thousands upon thousands of babies from what they must consider as unholy breeders.

    Furthermore, you’re prevaricating. It’s not just nuns who consider themselves the Brides of Christ. The Catechism of the Catholic Church includes men. And they’re all engaged to be married to Rabbi Jesus. Which is why there’s no normal sex allowed in Jewheaven (Matthew 22:30).

    Jewsus Muss Weg.

    P.S. Jesus’ beloved whom he snuggled into his “bosom” (John 13:23-25) wasn’t Joanne.

  101. This festering evil that infects Catholicism is much deeper than the so-called “lavender mafia”. The Church, probably from its inception, was infiltrated by an evil cult — Judaic in origin but in present day has more acolytes from Christian backgrounds — that utilizes the ritual rape and murder of children as part of its sacrament. The Church has long been the Whore of Babylon, but then the same can be said of Western Civilization.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  102. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Christianity is a divine pederasty cult from the Levant, where such practice was common. Corn-holing altar boys isn’t a flaw in the program, it’s a feature for the perverted priestcraft of the last 2000 years. This is well documented in the text by historian Diana Agorio entitled Sex Rites: The Origins of Christianity. If you can afford the $472 to $798 for a used copy, be prepared to be nauseated.

    An example in the book is Paul’s ribald innuendo that uses a play on words about how useful a slave-boy named “Useful” was to both himself and his Master He-Who-Kisses.

    Strongs #5371: filhmwn Philemon
    Philemon = “one who kisses”

    That is pederastic priest behavior, barely disguised with innuendo, openly flaunted within the very book you carry into church and allow on your coffee table. Very sick.

  103. @Rosamond Vincy

    Your mumbojumbo isn’t any more impressive than his mumbo-jumbo.

  104. @Rosamond Vincy

    What are you talking about? A mercy what? What does that mean?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  105. @Fadda Brennan

    Most of it seems to be homosexual clergy having sex with each other, with seminarians, and with young adult men, not children or preteens.

  106. @Anonymous

    If Jesus had Something Going On with John, Mary Magdalene, or anyone else, you can bet the Pharisees would have taken it and run with it. There is no way He wouldn’t have had his reputation thoroughly trashed. His influence would have been neutralized, and they could have easily avoided that messy collaboration with the Romans which backfired on everyone involved.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. @Rosamond Vincy

    Presumably, you say. So we can also “presume” whatever the heck we like.

    And if you think “footbone connected to the shinbone” is humorous with reference to people who have had their limbs blown off by land mines or surgical amputees, that tells us something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  108. @Anonymous

    So how do you explain Hollywood, sports, local schools, scouting, and the many married pedophiles?

    There are predators everywhere there are children. And not merely the Church, but all government, educational, and social structures are guilty of sweeping it under the rug.

  109. @Virgile

    Have that conversation with a girl gymnast.

  110. @Anonymous

    Jesus didn’t disapprove of marriage. His first public miracle was at the wedding at Cana.

    People have different missions in life. The pre-Christian idea that everybody ought to get married must have led to a lot of unhappiness. Some people do not make good spouses or parents. Read the OT for examples.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. @Rosamond Vincy

    Yeah, that explanation doesn’t make things bizarre and creepy at all.

    As someone born and raised Catholic, may I suggest that you (plural) step back and listen to yourselves from an outside vantagepoint. The Catholic-zealot language is intentionally stilted, annoyingly pompous and arrogant, absurdly melodramatic, and often unclear. But at least substantively it claims strange, ineffective analogies like priests are married to the church or nuns are brides of Christ. Yuck.

    Priests are married to nobody, and doing nothing to directly perpetuate their own families and nation. Nuns are married to nobody, and doing nothing to directly perpetuate their own families and nation.

    They also lack the fulfillment, companionship, grounding, comfort, responsibilities, rewards, and emotional / psychological maturation that can and should (and often do) come with marriage and parenthood. And it shows. These misfits, afraid to face and participate in and compete in real life, are ill-suited to serve as examples to parishioners or give us advice on our adult lives.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Corvinus
  112. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    You are correct, the ritual rape and murder of children has been documented by archeologists, as described by historian Diana Agorio in her text entitled Sex Rites: The Origins of Christianity. You cannot imagine the horrors they’ve dug in the Levant.

    Diana graduated magna cum laude with a BS in History. Her primary fascination is with the cultures of the Bronze Age and Iron Age Levant….She hopes to dispel the atheist notion that the Bible is Bronze Age mythology. Actually, it is Hellenistic Period mythology, which was significantly different from Bronze Age religious notions. The Bible was not the product of “the people” of the Levant. It was produced by priests with particular political and economic ambitions. Diana’s description of changes in the religious rituals and myths which led up to Christianity is far more damning than the typical atheist critique. In particular, it describes the outrageous suffering of children at the hands of ancient religious leaders.

    New book on origins of Christianity details the outrageous suffering of children at the hands of ancient religious leaders

    Never let your children within 100 feet of the priestcraft. And that includes the priestcraft making up the new “Cathedral” of AcademiaGoogleFacebergHarvardYaleDeepstatePizzagate. Power corrupts. You know rest.

  113. @RadicalCenter

    Poor Satan. He was so traumatized by Saddam, I just took pity on him.

  114. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    If a bad reputation was all it took, L. Ron Hubbard’s influence would be trashed too. Yet he built quite the successful Church.

    The Jesus character’s perversions are recorded in the Gospels for all to see. You might want to peruse Eric Hoffer’s text The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Harper, 1951), in which he describes Jewsus’ bad reputation as an anti-family fanatic:

    Still, not one of our contemporary movements was so outspoken in its antagonism toward the family as was early Christianity. Jesus minced no words: “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me.” When He was told that His mother and brothers were outside desiring to speak with Him He said: “Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother, and my brethren!” When one of His disciples asked leave to go and bury his father, Jesus said to him: “Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.” He seemed to sense the ugly family conflicts His movement was bound to provoke both by its proselytizing and by the fanatical hatred of its antagonists. “And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” [Section 32]

    True believers gonna believe. Even that Jewsus was somehow pro-family. That’s sad, because the gullible true believers expose their children to the risk of being abused by the priestcraft who must “hate” their own blood kin as much as the Jesus character told them to.

    P.S. Also see The Bad Jesus: The Ethics of New Testament Ethics (Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2015), especially chapter 3, “The Hateful Jesus: Luke 14.26.”

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  115. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    The Defenders of the Faith, apparently either busy on R&R or composed only of REMFs, have fielded a crazy cat lady armed with the Sword of the Snarkit. Deus Vulva!

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  116. @Anonymous

    What are your religious beliefs?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. @RadicalCenter

    A not whiny Protestant song.

    That passage in Ezekiel also pertains to those who died long ago and have crumbled to dust, or those whose bodies were destroyed in death.

  118. @RadicalCenter

    You may suggest it, but I’m not doing it.

    Yes, there have been horrible people in religious life, but it isn’t religious life that makes them horrible. They just used it as a venue to be horrible.

    In addition, there are spiritual and intellectual children. At least most of the ones in parochial school came out knowing how to balance a checkbook and write a grammatically correct sentence. Our local public school had teachers who didn’t know the subjects and relied on group work for everything, the requisite sadistic gym teacher, and a lot of vapid “projects” about prejudice and saving the environment. It was so bad, one of the Jewish kids whose mother was a teacher herself took her out and put her in the local Quaker school. Kids who went to parochial for elementary and then joined the public school in jr high or high school were usually way ahead of everybody else, and better-behaved, too.

    • Replies: @Talha
  119. @Anonymous

    I do not have any cats.

    I prefer dogs. Great, big, silly dogs, like Great Pyrenees, Cane Corsos, Bernese, Newfies.

    The more they think like this, the better I like them:

  120. Ah yes.. “Chastity … the most unnatural of the sexual perversions” as Aldous Huxley so aptly put it… anyone care to think how much less abhorrent Catholic history would have been if the clergy were allowed to marry? And, while we’re on the subject, the Management thereof were accountable to someone a little lower in the firmanent than God the Father?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Dumbo
  121. bj says:

    Was Pope Francis Covering for Sodomites?

  122. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Hat tip to you ma’am for doing your best under multiple assaults against Catholic doctrine and practice. For what it’s worth, I certainly hope the Catholic Church is able to recover from this and find a long-term solution going forward. Perhaps this may mean that nuns or other females are more in charge of the young boys at the most vulnerable ages until they are old enough such that they are far less likely to be abused by men caretakers. Transparency is key and the people in the pews should make it loud and clear that they demand it.

    The Church is yet still a valuable ally in the fight against the Poz even in its current compromised (and possibly mismanaged) state.


    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  123. @Talha

    Napoleon Bonaparte asked Cardinal Ercole Consalvi if he realized that the Empire could crush the Church. The Cardinal drily responded, “If in 1,800 years, we clergy have failed to destroy the Church, do you really think that you’ll be able to do it?”

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Dumbo
  124. @Capt. Roy Harkness

    Many of the worst pervs in sports, non-Catholics youth camps, scouting, public schools, and of course H’wood, have been married.
    A predator is a predator.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  125. @Rosamond Vincy

    Cardinal Consalvi did not have a conception about IQ and its relation to race as we do today. When Stalin asked how many divisions the pope had, he did not deal with IQ and race. Today, China has broken ties with the Vatican and will have its own “Chinese Roman Church” with its own priests and bishops. How many nukes does the Vatican have? This break is good thing for the West.

    We are at a very interesting time in world history. The world has been settled, mapped and IQs measured. The blue marble is it. Man will never live on the moon or Mars. White flight to these places will never happen. The RCC has been destroyed by diversity – i.e., blacks/Asians. The communion wafer (consecrated) does not work for these groups. These 2 groups have the lowest IQs and there is nothing that can help them. A good example of Asian degeneracy is Talha. His taquiyya comment thanking you for your defense of the RCC is the epitome of Islamic heresy spouted by a person from a second tier race.

    As a reminder, I was a cradle RCCer and my family has been RCC for hundreds of years. When I saw an Asian priest say the mass at a church I attended, the first non-white priest I had ever seen say a mass, I saw this as an abomination and began to rethink the RCC. Now many people are seeing this. There will always be Christianity. We will find out the true religion when we die, but the best religion on earth is Christianity. But, above Christianity, the best thing on earth is to be born Caucasian with an IQ of 90+. This is the truth everyone must realize so that the West can be set free.

  126. Talha says:

    I did not thank her, I gave her encouragement to stay strong in her commitment to defend her faith and recognized her steadfastness, because I can readily empathize. Two different things altogether.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  127. @attilathehen

    Have you ever read Decameron, First day, Second story?

    Here’s a summary from Wikipedia:

    Abraham, a Jew of Paris, is the friend of Giannotto di Civignì, who for years has urged him to become a Christian. One day Abraham departs for Rome, telling Giannotto that he wants to see the leaders of the Church – the pope and the curia – to decide whether or not he wants to convert. Giannotto, knowing of the debauched and decadent ways of the Roman clergy, fears Abraham will never want to convert after witnessing the corruption of the Church. But when Abraham returns, he converts, concluding that if Christianity can still spread even when its hierarchy is so corrupt, it must be the true word of God.

    In this caustic story, the Jew converts because he logically concludes that only a religion supported by God could prosper despite the corruption of its leadership.

    As one translation has Abraham tell Gianotto:

    To the best of my judgment, your Pastor, and by consequence all that are about him devote all their zeal and ingenuity and subtlety to devise how best and most speedily they may bring the Christian religion to nought and banish it from the world. And because I see that what they so zealously endeavour does not come to pass, but that on the contrary your religion continually grows, and shines more and more clear, therein I seem to discern a very evident token that it, rather than any other, as being more true and holy than any other, has the Holy Spirit for its foundation and support.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  128. Dumbo says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    There a famous story by Boccaccio of a Jew converting to Catholicism after visiting Rome and seeing all the corruption there. His reasoning was that if a Church with a clergy so corrupt and so full of sin could have grown so much and still be powerful, it could only mean that it really was supported by God himself. (Of course, if a Christian had visited synagogues it may not have been all that different…)

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  129. Dumbo says:
    @Capt. Roy Harkness

    As I said before, I doubt the sexual abuse is related to chastity. It’s not as if Hollywood is a very chaste institution… We hear less about their scandals for obvious reasons, even if lately a little bit started to come out.

    • Replies: @Capt. Roy Harkness
  130. utu says:

    What media are not coming after Francis? Because he is one of them.

  131. @Talha

    “The Church is yet still a valuable ally in the fight against the Poz even in its current compromised (and possibly mismanaged) state.” Who is the RCC’s ally against the Poz? Islam?

    • Replies: @Talha
  132. @Rosamond Vincy

    Yes, I have read the Decameron and know of the Jew who converted. There’s another side that no one likes to talk about. Boccaccio wrote the book during the Black Plague. He noticed that the plague was killing mostly people with low intelligence. He didn’t use the words IQ because they did not exist, but he could see the differences in intelligence between the intelligent and less intelligent. Once the plague ended, the more intelligent survivors started the Renaissance.

    When this Jew converted it was in the 1300s in Europe. Fast forward to the present. Compare three groups of people. RCC Haiti – blacks, avg. IQ 67; RCC El Salvador – Amerindians (Asians) avg. IQ 81; Utah Mormons – Caucasian/European – mostly of English descent avg. IQ 105.

    Which group is doing the best?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Anonymous
  133. Talha says:

    No, the RCC is our valuable ally against the Poz. They can bow out if they want at anytime and we’ll go it alone; their call.

    For now, they are helping to stem the tide – again, even in their currently weakened state.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  134. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    LOL Never really read the Jew Testament, have you? Not only did Jesus disapprove of marriage, he preferred self-castration.

    Matthew 19:10-12 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

    New Testament > The Teachings of Jesus > On Marriage vs Castration

    Paul too heavily discouraged marriage.

    To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:8

    But yeah, just because Jesus shows up and flamboyantly flaunts his top shelf homemade alcohol at a wedding party—solely to bring attention to himself—now he’s somehow pro-family. LULZ

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  135. @Talha

    Islam is a degenerate contributor to our Poz. We don’t need Islam in the West to get rid of the Poz. We need to get rid of Muslims in West – along with blacks/Asians/Jews. Why don’t you go it alone in Pakistan? They need you. The West does not.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  136. @attilathehen

    What Boccaccio saw was that people who couldn’t afford to leave town, or couldn’t sequester themselves from the rest of the world in castles and live off their estates, got sick and died.

    Since many of those people had been malnourished since infancy or even prenatally, their brains did not develop properly. Being properly nourished later will not undo such damage.

    Peasants, the Irish in Swift’s time, and folks in Appalachia all got the same accusations: shiftless, lazy, naturally stupid. What their symptoms actually showed were the effects of pellagra, anemia, and other deficiencies.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  137. @Rosamond Vincy

    Here’s an interesting article about Fatima. I’m sure you know about the Fatima and its supposed secrets.

  138. @Anonymous

    The eunuch sayings are metaphors. Origen got the boot when he took them literally.

    Paul was particularly concerned with missionaries. If they got in legal trouble, their families might suffer. Single missionaries could devote themselves to doing God’s work without such fear.

    And Jesus wasn’t showing off. His mother wanted Him to do it, so the hosts wouldn’t be embarrassed. Notice that after He seemingly tries to get out of it, His mother tells the servants, “Do whatever He tells you,” as if she fully expects Him to comply with her wishes–as of course, He does.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  139. @Dumbo

    Eh, you got there first! Referred to in my other comments.
    But yes, in some translations, the Jew explicitly says that the clergy appear to be doing the work of the Devil in trying to bring down the Church, so clearly the Church must be under the divine protection of God Himself not to have crumbled long ago.
    Very likely he could have found evil people in synagogues, as you say, or any other sect–including agnostics or atheists who worship Progress, or Socialism, or whoever their Graven Image happens to be.
    Evil is everywhere–unfortunately.

  140. Talha says:

    Thanks, I know, I know…we are degenerate heretics that are a colossal genetic failures due to centuries of cousins breeding with their goats…and we smell like our butts…and we eat with our butts…and we are also pee-pee faces…

    Got it.

    We don’t need Islam in the West to get rid of the Poz.

    Of course not, everyone can see what a splendid job you’re doing. Bravo! The Poz is currently shaking – trembling – in its boots with fear and is not planning more gay-pride parades across major cities in 2019. You are totally in control.

    We need to get rid of Muslims in West…Why don’t you go it alone in Pakistan?

    (sigh) When I get my federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked and I have to leave the country; I will make plans to sell my house and move my family.

    Just a side question; I can see that in your interpretation of Christian doctrine, the cardinal sin is racial mixing – one that will probably never be forgiven and will land someone in Hell eternally. All makes sense…

    But I’m just wondering though; how many people are in your order of The Holy Virgin that Kicks Niggaz Out The Church? Must be growing in leaps and bounds right? You guys must have a huge mega-church somewhere – like a big white one like this white temple:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  141. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Which group is doing the best? If IQ counts, not Christians. As the Jew Paul noted, the dupes accepting his nonsense preaching were mostly ignoble midwits.

    1 Corinthians 1:18-26 “For the message about the cross is nonsense…the nonsense of our preaching…Not many of you were wise by human standards…not many were noble…”

    Modern Science agrees with the Biblical observation, even after 2000 years. Not much has changed.

    More Religious, Less Intelligent—and Vice Versa
    A study finds an inverse relationship between religiousness and intelligence.

    So what you’re saying is that the Black Plague killed off the more devout Jewsus-worshipers, and their absence led to Making Europe Great Again.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  142. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Ok. Salvation is a metaphor too. Thanks for leading the way in not believing the parts of the Jew Testament literally that you don’t want to believe literally. You never know when your spinning hamster wheel will spin you right out.

    And you still haven’t explained how single guy brewing top shelf booze is pro-family.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  143. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    We need to get rid of Jews? Are you ready to go without salvation?

    We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22

    What White man ever needed salvation from a Jew anyway, right?

  144. @Anonymous

    Per Haydock:

    And there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs, &c. It is not to be taken in the literal sense, but of such who have taken a firm and commendable resolution of leading a single life. — He that can receive it, let him receive it. Some think that to receive, in this and the foregoing verse, is to understand; and so will have the sense to be, he that can understand what I have said of different eunuchs, let him understand it; as when Christ said elsewhere, he that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But others expound it as an admonition to men and women, not to engage themselves in a vow of living a single life, unless, after serious deliberation, they have good grounds to think they can duly comply with this vow, otherwise let them not make it. Thus St. Jerome on this place, and St. John Chrysostom where they both expressly take notice, that this grace is granted to every one that asketh and beggeth for it by prayer. (Witham) — To the crown and glory of which state, let those aspire who feel themselves called by heaven.

    I don’t decide what is to be taken literally or not taken literally; I am not a Protestant.

    Wine was used ritually in 1st-century Judea. It figures in the Last Supper, and therefore, the Mass.

    I’m losing track of all the Anons on here, but if you have a problem with alcohol even in moderation, you sound like a Protestant.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  145. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Notice how you said “the country,” not “my country.” A piece of paper granting citizenship doesn’t make you American any more than it would make an immigrant to Tokyo into a Japanese.

    It’s just a goddamned piece of paper, as one of our Presidents allegedly once stated.

    Fake Americans will go back. Be ready to use those contingency plans you have in the back of your mind. Don’t wait too long either, because many Americans have their own, and rather less comfortable, contingency plans for you.

    Consider what real Americans will do to other real Americans with much smaller differences than yours as a Fake American.

    • Replies: @Talha
  146. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    When you saw an Asian priest, did it remind you of the Asian Rabbi (Jews are from Asia, if you’re unfamiliar with a map) hanging on the crucifix?

    Did the Holy Spirit screw up when the entity provided Star Trek style teleportation assistance to the Apostle Philip to recruit Africans into the Christian Church? (Acts 8:26-40)

    Is Simeon the Black man, a “teacher and prophet” in the Asian church where Christians first were called Christians, your brother in Jewchrist? (Acts 13:1)

    Do you not realize Christianity is an Asian religion? Ever seen a globe?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  147. @Rosamond Vincy

    Love everything you write, Rosamond–except that you mean Priscilla, not Aquila. Aquila was the husband in that married pair. (Those verses on the Norse gods are hilarious!)

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  148. @Dumbo

    What has Hollywood (a cesspool if ever there was one) got to do with the church?

    Meanwhile I was thinking sexuality has to have an “out”… Demanding celibacy of a human being is asking for trouble; have a look at Aldous Huxley’s “The Devils of Loudon.” …That said, you’re right, chaste or not, predators are predators…

  149. Talha says:

    Hey, Capt. ‘Murka Nitro-Pants,

    Uh yeah, if I’m being officially asked to leave by the government, it’s pretty obvious it ain’t “my country”.

    If you read my post, I said I was fine leaving without fanfare if I get a official notice. If I said I would stay no matter what, I could understand the need for you show me evidence of how you can make Daesh look like wussies. Next time post a picture of a dismembered kitten or something to make sure we get how serious you really are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  150. @Anonymous

    There is divine wisdom, and there is human wisdom:

    When I came to you, brothers and sisters,
    proclaiming the mystery of God,
    I did not come with sublimity of words or of wisdom.
    For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you
    except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
    I came to you in weakness and fear and much trembling,
    and my message and my proclamation
    were not with persuasive words of wisdom,
    but with a demonstration of spirit and power,
    so that your faith might rest not on human wisdom
    but on the power of God.

    1 COR 2:1-5

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. KenH says:

    A cancer on the papacy or is the papacy itself now a cancer? These pederasty scandals have plagued the church for a long time now and never to seem to end. What’s worse is how authorities in the U.S. and in the Vatican have turned a blind eye to it. This has caused Catholicism to lose all moral authority in the Western world in my opinion.

    The only way for it to regain a sliver of respect and authority it once held it to clean out the Augean stables of the sick pederasts and homos that have infiltrated the church.

    Regardless, the Catholic church is nothing more than an illegal alien and refugee coddling and diversity worshipping cargo cult and stopped being a bulwark against anything that threatens Western civilization or white people long ago.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  152. @Anonymous

    Are you British? Americans call the areas you’re referring to the Middle East. “Asia” means China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  153. @Charlotte Allen

    You are right–I was fooled by the “a” ending. Tiresome man, not to be called Aquilus and make it easy for me!

    I’m glad you like what I have written, but all I’m doing is finding the proper quotes. I let the Bible, the saints, and theologians such as Haydock do my arguing for me.

    The song is a popular one among reenactors–you can find verses on everything from Greek and Roman gods to Celtic to Cthulhu and Azathoth.

  154. Dumbo says:

    I’m sorry to say this, but your (and HBDers) obsession with IQ is stupid and borders on lunacy. Ancient people may not have the concept of “IQ” (which is really just a test), but they sure as hell knew that some people (and some races) were more intelligent than others. They knew even from the initial contact that Africans and Amerindians were not as bright/civilized as White people, and that Asians were different too. This has little to do with the issue at hand. The Catholic Church was destroyed in the Vatican II, but even before that it was already in decadence, much before multiculturalism, which is affecting all former western institutions in any case, and not just the Catholic Church.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  155. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    No need to ask if you’re female, we know their reputation with directions.

    Middle East what? Middle Eastern Asia. The others are the Far East. Of Asia. Do get consult an atlas or globe.

    Attila apparently doesn’t seem to know about maps either, as she simultaneously fulminates against Asians and worships an Asian.

    Truly, you two dumb broads are doing to this comment section what girls do to colleges.

    The more girls in a college, the lower the average IQ of its students

  156. Anonymous[736] • Disclaimer says:

    Your insolence to your host nation is noted, Fake American.

    • Replies: @Talha
  157. @Rosamond Vincy

    He that hath ears to hear, let him hear,no further comments needed.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  158. Talha says:

    Hey Cap’n,

    No, I get along great with my neighbors, sit on one of the planning commissions of my city (my wife sits on another), pay my taxes on time and teach my kids to be good citizens.

    I don’t care for the acceptance of anonymous online personalities. As I said, I will leave when I get the official federal notice. Why? Because I follow the law.

    If my presence on the forum pisses you off…meh. Petition Mr. Unz to ask me to leave and I will.

    But feel free to post a photo of your chiseled back with a “Thugg Lyfe 4ever” tattoo across the shoulders above the one of a birthday clown getting blasted in the face with a shotgun…you know, so we all know you mean business.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  159. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    Following the law, indeed. You’ll still “have to go back,” Fake American.

    P.S. Do continue the insolence from Fake Americans; every bit of it helps.

    • Replies: @Talha
  160. Anonymous[666] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Jews in the Jew Testament claim “divine” knowledge compared to White Gentile [Roman/Greek] mere “human” knowledge? What’s new, Jew-worshiper? But at least we know where you stand: “The Jew First.” (Romans 1:16) What made you decide to cheerlead for the other team?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  161. Talha says:

    You’ll still “have to go back,”

    Uh yeah – you speak English, right? There aren’t many ways to interpret my following statement:
    “When I get my federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked and I have to leave the country; I will make plans to sell my house and move my family.”

    Now, I’m an adult, married man with a family and a job where I manage an IT team in a large company. I’m not just going to plan to uproot my family because some anonymous guy said he didn’t want me around and posted some Nazi graphics on an online forum. Could you imagine that conversation with the wife?

    Look, I get where you are coming from – everyone has the right to advocate the policies they want implemented. So keep doing what you are doing and, if successful, the Nazi party may well come into power in the US and I – and my family – may be legally required to board a boat East within your lifetime. Then you can sit back and relax and pop open some champagne over an accomplished life and tell your grand kids all about it. Sounds like paradise…

    I once gave advice on how to go about this:

    I suggest getting with your congressmen/senators and proposing legislation to add amendments to the Constitution to make exceptions to the religion-neutral clauses to make exceptions for Islam and Muslims. A super-majority will likely be required. A good strategy would be to come up with a strong single-issue advocacy group. Once this initial step is accomplished, the doors will be open legally for; 1) stripping Muslims of citizenship, 2) excluding them from certain areas of influence, 3) consigning and forcing them into certain regions/areas/locales or 4) expelling them to Muslim lands (with or without compensation).

    Come up with a single-issue organization that votes as a bloc on only one thing; legal relocation of Muslims from the West – forget abortion, foreign policy, economic trade pacts, welfare, etc. Make every representative know they will be graded and publicly made known. I would suggest working with the NRA (the preeminent one-issue group) to get tips on how to proceed – you will likely have a good amount of overlap:

    You’re welcome and good luck.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  162. @Anonymous

    What are your religious beliefs?

  163. @Anonymous

    Per Wikipedia: The Middle East is a transcontinental region centered on Western Asia, Turkey (both Asian and European), and Egypt (which is mostly in North Africa).

    Obviously, some areas in this region overlap Europe or Africa rather than Asia. Egypt, Sudan, and Libya are clearly in Africa, not Asia. Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are closer to Turkey than they are to any of the “-istans” at the Western edge of Asia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  164. @Rosamond Vincy

    Most of the Anons are cucks, degenerates. I’ve asked several of them what their religious beliefs are and they refuse to answer. It’s easy for them to criticize Christianity. I remember one cuck, Echoes of History, who is now one of the anons, scribbling about paganism. I told him I have no problems with European paganism. Come up with commandments, rituals, prayers, holy days, etc. He didn’t. He just kept attacking Christianity.

    Over at RadioAryan, there’s a podcast hosted by a Sven Longshanks. He used have regular guest, Nate Danelaw, a Danish Nazi. Danelaw would rant and rave about Jews/blacks, and believed in paganism. The cuck has disappeared. Whenever I see or hear Nazis I automatically know either Jews, the USA, German or Israeli governments are behind them. There was another Nazi, Florian Geyer. I commented about him several weeks ago. He bade RadioAryan goodbye last week. He said he has to focus on his studies. He’s a Canadian cuck who stated that Canada and USA are done for and need to be split up. I don’t care what they do in Canada, but no Canadian cuck is going to tell me what to do with my country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  165. @Per/Norway

    No, he says “Paul is dead.”

    Are you 11-years-old?

  166. @Rosamond Vincy

    There were not that many wealthy people. And no matter how much they tried to quarantine themselves, many died from the plague. I remember seeing a PBS show about the Black Plague. They brought out something interesting. From the historical records they were able to see that there were three categories of people who got the plague: some died within a couple of weeks; some got very sick for a couple of weeks but fully recovered; some never got sick at all. I know about malnutrition and other diseases, but Boccaccio specifically mentioned intelligence. However, we see that the final results were that the stronger and more intelligent survived. These survivors procreated the generations who started the Renaissance.

    I know about the Irish. The Irish have lots of problems. They are intelligent but also very degenerate. We got the cream of the crop. However, the actual Irish IQ in Ireland IQ is 97. A lot of their issues stemmed from English occupation, but that is pretty much over. They have quickly degenerated. They voted on a nationwide basis for legalizing abortion and homosexual marriage. Here in the USA, these two horrors were imposed on us by Supreme Court fiats. The Irish voted for an East Indian, homo Taoiseach. The Irish have to get it to together.

    Appalachia is poor, but you don’t have the crime you see among blacks/Asians. The smartest of the Appalachians have left.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  167. @Dumbo

    Dumbo, you’ve just proven your dumbiness.

    I know about the things you wrote. Yes, there will be decadence in Caucasian/European nations. But, it is the type of people in the nations who will forecast who will survive and regenerate. People always point out the decline of the Roman Empire. Yes, it happened but it arose again in the nation states of Europe. And this is because the countries were European and were able to overcome their degeneration.

    Ancient Egypt (Caucasian) and ancient Aryan India have never been able to regenerate. This is because the original people of these countries mixed with blacks/Asians. Their high IQs were destroyed. Today, Egypt and India are shitholes. This is what the globalists want to do to Europe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  168. Anonymous[631] • Disclaimer says:

    The accurately descriptive term “Fake American” has hijacked your amygdala, and for good reason. You’re trying to tame the emotional reaction with your prefrontal cortex, and it isn’t working.

    • Replies: @Talha
  169. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You’re as yappy as a wet terrier. Still, Israel isn’t in Africa. Jesus was an Asian, of the middle-eastern variety. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  170. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of cucks, you’re projecting again, out of frustration that you worship cuckspawn.

    Christianity can’t get past the first chapter of the first book of the New Testament without glorifying cuckoldry.

    His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant. Matthew 1:18

    Merry Cuckmas!

  171. Corvinus says:

    “Priests are married to nobody, and doing nothing to directly perpetuate their own families and nation. Nuns are married to nobody, and doing nothing to directly perpetuate their own families and nation.”

    Actually, priests and nuns are married to Christ, and through their work by spreading the Word of God and by assisting people in need by way of charity, clearly perpetuate their congregation and the community by which they reside in.

    “They also lack the fulfillment, companionship, grounding, comfort, responsibilities, rewards, and emotional / psychological maturation that can and should (and often do) come with marriage and parenthood. And it shows. These misfits, afraid to face and participate in and compete in real life, are ill-suited to serve as examples to parishioners or give us advice on our adult lives.”

    You are morally bankrupt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  172. Anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:

    European were able to overcome their degeneration, which was the invasive Jew Testament mystical salvation cult, by rediscovering ancient European though, especially Lucretius’ De rerum natura, that the Jew-worshiping Church had suppressed through the Dark Ages.

    Lucretius and the Renaissance

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  173. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, priests and nuns … clearly perpetuate their congregation and the community by which they reside in.


    Steve Bannon: The Catholic Church ‘needs illegal aliens’ to fill its pews

    The Catholic Church is morally bankrupt, and so are you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  174. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Deliver our nation from immigration.
    Deliver our people from invasion.
    Deliver us from Arab, Black, and Asian.
    St. Breivik, pray for us.

    • LOL: Talha
  175. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Women ruin everything. They want to enter male spaces and make the space feminine, as a power play, not out of any interest in the things of value in that male space, which they inevitably destroy.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  176. Talha says:

    These kinds of comments make me curious; are people like yourselves on good terms with your mothers?

    It is a sincere question; I just don’t see how a man, who has a healthy and respectful relationship with his mother, can be speaking like this.

    Maybe I’m completely wrong.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  177. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Crime? If you’ve got a crop in the field, those Asian Jew parasites can be like hordes of locust.

    At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbaths, and His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck the heads of grain and to eat them. Matthew 12:1

    As Ludwig von Mises stated, “primitive Christianity is Bolshevism” in his text Socialism. (p. 413)

    Jewsus ought to try that in our neck of the woods, where we keep rifles in the truck to communicate our displeasure to greedy little groundhogs.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  178. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    I know you’re fascinated with every aspect of my person. However, this comment section isn’t about me or my beliefs. It’s about Jew Testament Catholicancer, on which I try to stay on topic.

    Besides, presenting an alternative when identifying problems is not a prerequisite to identifying problems. You’re like the dumb broad who, when I nicely pointed to her flat tire at the intersection, angrily demanded that I present her viable alternatives to being late to work.

    All you’re doing is demonstrating how desperately unattached women want to be led by somebody they consider asshole enough to lead them. But I’m not going to do that, because you haven’t earned it, and you would likely not qualify anyway.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  179. Anonymous[622] • Disclaimer says:

    Write the management of ESPN and ask them yourself, white knight.

    “The lesson here, as always: Women ruin everything.”

    Bill Simmons Page 2 : How to spot Casino Trash

    Maybe they’ll even listen to your sob story of loss, abandonment, trauma, or unrequited love, Talha.

    White knights often have a history of loss, abandonment, trauma, or unrequited love. Many of them were deeply affected by the emotional or physical suffering of a caregiver.

    • Replies: @Talha
  180. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Good enough to illustrate why the pagan goddess worship in the Catholic church is a another cancer.

    As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I practiced Mary worship for many years without realizing it…. Jesus only appeared as a helpless baby in Mary’s arms, as a dead man nailed to a cross, and as little wafers of bread hidden inside a fancy box. Visually and emotionally the message was very clear ‑- if you want real power, if you want someone who can do something for you, then go to Mary and the Saints.

    A Study of Catholic Practice and Doctrine
    by Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)
    July 2001

    Faggot pederast priestcraft + Feminist Mary worship = Catholic Church

  181. Talha says:

    None of those qualify for me; I have a great relationship with my mother, wife and even with my mother in law – thank God for it. A pretty normal and fairly routine upbringing.

    As far as toxic women, yeah – they seem to make it their life mission to screw up anyone within their orbit. And there are definitely lots of them around. Casinos are likely magnets for their kind, so I don’t know how this pertains to normal situations. How this pertains to healthy women, I cannot say.

    Now, I am wondering if you could indulge me and answer my initial question.


  182. @Anonymous

    Mary is hardly a Feminist. She remained an obscure housewife in Galilee for most of her life, only going to Jerusalem for feast days, and eventually, to witness her Son’s excution and receive His Body. There is no record of her publicly speaking; she only answered John’s and Luke’s questions so they could write their Gospels. There is no record of her taking an interest in politics, let alone wishing to vote or run for public office.

    What is recorded is that she carried and gave birth to her Son under difficult, even dangerous circumstances, continuing to protect Him as well as she could (as did His foster father) by fleeing across the Sinai desert to Egypt when His life was threatened.

    Try imagining the 80-mile trip to Bethlehem for a pregnant woman–with only animals for transportation. Now another 40 miles (at least) to get to Egyptian territory, with an infant.

    Now imagine her misery when her Son is tortured to death, and she not only can’t but must not do the thing she has spent her life trying to do: protect Him.

    We don’t worship Mary: she is not God. But she is the model Christian, particularly for Christian women. No Safe Spaces; no Trigger Warnings; no Pink Hats to protest whatever Caesar or Herod has done lately. Just loving Jesus in all situations.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @attilathehen
  183. @Anonymous

    You act like you just figured out that Jesus was born to Jews. When did you have this earth-shattering revelation?

    He was presented at the Temple as an Infant. He read Scripture in the synagogue in His hometown. He celebrated Passover with His disciples, the Last Supper where He said the First Mass and instituted the Eucharist. He fulfilled the Messianic prophecies in Isaiah and elsewhere. Pilate had a sign on His crucifix reading “King of the Jews” (whether meant ironically or sincerely). The Holy Spirit descended on the Jewish Feast of Weeks.

    By golly, that crucified Rabbi can’t get anything past you, can He? The Church was all sneaky and subtle about it, but you finally got wise.

  184. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Mary is the mother of Christian feminism.

    Mary, the mother of Christian feminism, appears as an eternal sign of Gods urgent desire for justice and peace in the world.

    Mary and the Feminist Movement
    America: The Jesuit Review

    And yes, you worship Mary by treating her as a pagan goddess and praying to her. That’s worship, no matter how much you deny it.

    We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all dangers.

    Grrl Power! So much for relying on the Father delivering us from evil.

    Fags and Fems, that’s Catholicism for ya. Just like Hollywood, the other Jew media.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  185. @Anonymous

    Praying is just an archaic word for asking–as in “pray tell” or “pray you mark.”

    If you had a friend who knew the CEO of a company where you wanted a job, or was friends with the landlord when you want to avoid having your rent go up, would you ask?

    Catholics have friends in high places. Some of them died a long time ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  186. @Anonymous

    When their ship sank a Benedictine, a Dominican, a Franciscan, and a Jesuit were crowded into a small lifeboat. It had a small leak and was in ever greater danger of sinking. Unfortunately, the boat was also surrounded by sharks.

    So the Dominican, confident in the preaching prowess of his order, stood on the prow and begin to preach to the sharks about Christian charity and the virtues of vegetarianism; but his sermon was cut short by a leaping shark who consumed him in one gulp.

    Then the Benedictine stood on the prow and began to charm the sharks with a stupendous rendition of the Exsultet, but just when he got to the part about the mother bee (mater apis) another shark dispatched him with a single gulp.

    Shortly thereafter the Franciscan, climbing onto the prow, began to pray, “Blessed are you, Lord my God, for brother shark,…” when one of the sister sharks cut him off in mid-benediction.

    Soon the lifeboat sank, leaving the Jesuit in the water with the sharks. But instead of eating him, several sharks towed him to shore and cast him up on the dry land. Stunned, he turned to ask them why they had not devoured him. They replied, “Professional courtesy!”

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  187. @Anonymous

    Which one are you: cuck or degenerate? Or maybe both?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  188. @attilathehen

    They can believe what they like. Some Protestants believe that Mary had Joseph’s children after Jesus was born, but Catholics believe her Virginity was Perpetual.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  189. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    Neither. You’ll have to find a match to your barren womb and dry breasts elsewhere.

    • Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17, Luke 21:23 “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!”

    • Luke 23:29 “Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!”

    Since Jesus promoted barren wombs and dry breasts, maybe you should look in Church for the cuck and degeneracy over which you obsess. The Jew Testament is full of both. There’s your match.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  190. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Catholics have friends in high places? So did pagans, in the Pantheon. The Pantheon is essentially what Catholicism has recreated, as follows:

    • God The Father
    • The Christ
    • The Holy Spirit
    • The Archangels – Gabriel, Michael etc
    • Lesser Angels
    • The Virgin Mary
    • The Apostles
    • Mary Magdalene
    • All of the saints
    • Satan/Lucifer
    • The Greater Demons – Beelzebub, Azrael etc
    • Lesser Demons

    All of these have some form of veneration or worship connected with them, and supernatural powers (healing etc) attributed to them.

    So much for monotheism.

    Like I’ve said before, Christianity is a pagan punchbowl, with a big Jewturd floating in it.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  191. @Rosamond Vincy

    Yes, but what you believe is false. The RCC cannot help blacks/Asians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  192. @Anonymous

    You know perfectly well that motherhood was the greatest honor for women in Biblical days, and barren women felt disgraced (Sarah, Rachel, Hannah, Elizabeth).

    Jesus’ point is not that motherhood is bad, but that the tribulations will be so great that barren women will be glad they do not have to witness their children’s suffering. Something that is usually a supreme joy will have been turned into another source of affliction.

    That is what evil does. It takes good things and distorts them into bad things. As you do Bible quotes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  193. RVBlake says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Dominican and Jesuit priest are walking down the street, and a man runs up to them. Anxiously, he asks them, “Father, Father, can I pray a Novena to get a Mercedes?” The Dominican replies, “What’s a Mercedes?”, and the Jesuit adds, “What’s a Novena?”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  194. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:

    The RCC cannot help Asians?

    1 Corinthians 16:19 “The churches of Asia send you greetings.” [one of many references to Asian churches]

    Wrong Christians? LOL

    The RCC cannot help Blacks?

    Were the Holy Spirit and Apostle Philip in error for recruiting Africans? (Acts 8:26-40) Was the first church where Christians were called Christians in error for elevating blacks to positions of leadership as “teachers and prophets?” (Acts 13:1)

  195. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Jesus’ point is what he said. You’re adding words to twist his point to the opposite. Not supposed to do that, you know.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Talha
  196. @attilathehen

    God can do what He pleases. That’s why He picked an obscure tribe of nomads, and was born to them as a human Infant long after their days of political and military glory were passed, and they were just another Roman Outpost to which no one wanted to be assigned.

    There had been many more advanced, educated, or powerful people: the Egyptians were doing brain surgery, the Persians were refining sugar, the Spartans were fiercer in battle, the Athenians were more intellectual, the Romans combined military force with cutting-edge administration, including installing aqueducts and building roads that proved convenient for conquered populaces and ameliorated some of the local resentment. The Germanic tribes were noted for their fierce courage, considering it the greatest privilege to die in battle

    Nope. God picked a bunch of has-beens, who hadn’t had their own King (as opposed to Roman puppets) or their own country in hundreds of years

    Then He was born in a barn.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  197. @Anonymous

    No, you are leaving out words.

    When you see the desolating abomination[j] spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judea must flee[k] to the mountains, 17 [l]a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house, 18 a person in the field must not return to get his cloak. 19 Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days. 20 [m]Pray that your flight not be in winter or on the sabbath, 21 [n]for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be.

    A large crowd of people followed Jesus, including many women who mourned and lamented him. 28 Jesus turned to them and said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep instead for yourselves and for your children, 29 for indeed, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed.’ 30 At that time people will say to the mountains, ‘Fall upon us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us!’ 31 for if these things are done when the wood is green what will happen when it is dry?”

    Do you think Jesus didn’t have an idea what His mother had gone through during His Birth and Infancy, traveling first to Bethlehem in her last trimester, giving birth in a stable, and all of them fleeing for their very lives to Egypt while Jesus was still a Babe in arms?

    Jesus was considering what wartime does to a civilian populace, including women who had no control over the situation whatever. The men might make the bad political decisions, but the women and other helpless people would bear the brunt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  198. @Anonymous

    Veneration and worship are not the same thing.

    In any case, we don’t engage in magical rituals that make gods or demons do our bidding.

    We ask–repeatedly, if necessary–and if it is for our good, sometimes the answer is “Yes.”

    God wants us to ask. Remember the widow and the judge? He already knows what we want, but He wants to hear from us, and to have us on speaking terms with the rest of the Family.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  199. Talha says:

    C’mon man, I’m Muslim who disagrees with plenty of Christian theology and claims and even I can tell you are totally twisting the words out of context and taking snippets from here and there in the Bible. Which is obvious from the many commentaries of the Bible that are around and easily accessible online.

    What you are stating is your opinion on what the words mean, but that doesn’t really help if the vast majority of the Christians interpret otherwise. It just means you’ve got a really screwed up idea of what Christianity teaches if the normative voice of the Christian churches around the world state otherwise.

    What you should do is cite Christian scholars or doctrine that actually agrees with your interpretation to show us your views have weight among Christians themselves (especially at a scholarly level) – that would make more sense and someone like me would actually be interested in that kind of a debate. The stuff you are doing comes across as juvenile to be honest.


    Note: This is not to say you haven’t made certain valid points here and there, but it’s so mixed in with random stuff, it’s tough to take it seriously.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  200. @RVBlake

    A Franciscan, a Dominican, and a Jesuit were arguing about whose Order was greatest….
    (You probably know this one…the ending depends on which Order is being skewered for pomposity.)

  201. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You’re leaving out words. Jesus claimed all this would happen in a short time, and he’d return within peoples’ lifetime. Which is why you shouldn’t bother living normal life.

    But he didn’t.

    So you interpret it to rationalize that you have to live a fairly normal life now.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  202. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:

    The vast majority of the Christians interpret otherwise. So what? That doesn’t change what it says. Christians do the same thing with horrible passages in their holy book as Muslims do with theirs: creative interpretation, i.e., post hoc rationalization. Otherwise known as excuse-making.

    • Replies: @Talha
  203. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Veneration and worship are not the same thing? You should have consulted a dictionary or thesarus before engaging in hairsplitting.

    You don’t engage in magical rituals? Liar.

    St. Paul engaged in evil sorcery as described in Acts 13:6-12. (Sorcery is here used in the same way as Exodus 22:18: a person saying magical words or performing magical rituals in order to harm or kill another person). During his journey to Cyprus, St. Paul met Bar-Jesus, who was an attendant of the Roman proconsul Sergius Paulus. He had a conflict with cursed Bar-Jesus, saying:

    “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun. (NIV)

    Bar-Jesus heard the curse and immediately was blinded.

    Occultic techniques in the Christian Scriptures


    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  204. @Rosamond Vincy

    You act like you just figured out that Jesus was born to Jews. When did you have this earth-shattering revelation?…By golly, that crucified Rabbi can’t get anything past you, can He? The Church was all sneaky and subtle about it, but you finally got wise.

    I wish you had started with that one.

    This blithering dumbfuck is repeating the same anti-Catholic canards that scoffers have been saying for the last 2,000 years, as if nobody had ever heard this before. What kind of piece of shit idiot thinks to himself, “I know the Virgin Birth must be impossible, and therefore Mary was impregnated by natural means out-of-wedlock and Joseph was cucked. Ha ha ha!”, and then announces this ass-fuckingly banal observation with glee like he is the first person to ever think of it?


    Listen, you anonymous, smegma-eating jerkoff. Every Catholic person since the beginning of time knows where natural babies come from. So did Mary and Joseph. That’s why the Virgin Birth is miraculous. One would have to be almost as much of an imbecile as you to think that the Church would ever have tried to put over such an outrageous lie for so many years, if she had known it to be one. What kind of sick mileage do you get out of perpetually being the kid tossing stink bombs in the auditorium? You are less than useless. You’re nothing but an annoying fool who is abusing the freedom afforded by this forum.

    Back @Rosamond

    I’m not sure why you continue to carry on this long exchange. This moron is a troll if ever there was one and responding to him doesn’t do any good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  205. @attilathehen

    “Caucasian with an IQ of 90+”?

    Your standards are deplorably low.

    “Nordic Aryan with an IQ of 130+”: now that’s more like it.

  206. Talha says:

    That doesn’t change what it says.

    According to your interpretation of it. This is how scripture always is – it is interpreted through the human mind. Just as it is being filtered through yours; how can you possibly claim to be unbiased?

    Now, it’s really a mathematics game; if 100% of people who are knowledgeable in it have come to one or other interpretation/conclusion and you have come to a completely divergent one, then obviously you are a massive outlier and your opinion can be dismissed.

    So what?

    Well, if there are actually loads of Christians that take you and your interpretations as authoritative, then that is another matter since your opinion, however unorthodox counts for something. Is this the case? Do any number of Christians pay heed to your interpretations?

    If not, you are debating a straw man that you have conjured up in your head. It’s amusing but – as I said, even as a Muslim – your approach makes little sense to me. It seems you are just blindly throwing darts and hoping something/anything sticks.

    as Muslims do with theirs

    Correct, we also have a normative voice that speaks on behalf of and defines religious doctrines. Which is why many of your arguments make no sense to me – especially if no Christian has historically believed or interpreted as such.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  207. Anonymous[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Abusing the freedom of speaking freely? Wow, typical SJW terms. Do you work in the Google HR Dept.? Not surprising from a White Knight defending a female who cuckolded her husband. “But honey, it just happened. It’s a miracle!” LOL

    Thanks for the little peak into the depravity of the Catholic mind. Cuck-acceptance.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  208. @Intelligent Dasein

    He makes it so easy.

    Besides, all my work is done for me. Just have to copy and paste. For instance, the Virgin Birth:

    The idea that the progress of science has somehow altered this question is closely bound up with the idea that people “in olden times” believed in [miracles]“because they didn’t know the laws of Nature.” Thus you will hear people say, “The early Christians believed that Christ was the son of a virgin, but we know that this is a scientific impossibility.” Such people seem to have an idea that belief in miracles arose at a period when men were so ignorant of the cause of nature that they did not perceive a miracle to be contrary to it. A moment’s thought shows this to be nonsense: and the story of the Virgin Birth is a particularly striking example. When St. Joseph discovered this his fiancee was going to have a baby, he not unnaturally decided to repudiate her. Why? Because he knew just as well as any modern gynecologist that in the ordinary course of nature women do not have babies unless they have lain with men. No doubt the modern gynecologist knows several things about birth and begetting which St. Joseph did not know. But those things do not concern the main point–that a virgin birth is contrary to the course of nature. And St. Joseph obviously knew that.

    – C.S. Lewis, Miracles

  209. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Which is exactly what believers say when asked about those DC-10’s flying through space to drop off humans into volcanoes. But so what? Scientology’s “normative voice” still doesn’t change what L. Ron Hubbard wrote. All you’re doing is post hoc rationalization, i.e., excuse-making. That there are many participants, and that all the participants agree doesn’t change a thing.

    Of course, we’re getting into epistemology here. Christians think that a mass of people believing something makes it actually true. Tada!

    • Replies: @Talha
  210. @Anonymous

    Paul cursed him, or Paul spoke a prophecy inspired by God?

    Remember, Paul had been rendered temporarily blind himself before he came to believe. He knew what was coming.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  211. @Anonymous

    So how come Germany lost WWII?

    They had manly male macho military training. They wanted women to leave all professions and have Aryan babies. They tried to revive paganism and intended to let Christianity die out, gradually shifting the focus of Christmas and Easter back to traditional Winter and Spring rituals. They preferred Siegfried to Jesus, the Swastika to the Crucifix.
    They threw off every Jewish or Christian influence, and openly lauded barbarism.

    Yet they lost.

    What happened? And why do you think you’ll have a better outcome?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  212. @Anonymous

    Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers* will come [to] scoff, living according to their own desiresb
    and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming?* …

    * But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years* and a thousand years like one day.g
    2Peter 3

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  213. @Anonymous

    Did Mary make Joseph have the dream in which an angel told him he need not fear taking her into his house?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  214. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Joseph raised a child who was not his own. No matter the details or magical accounts or whatever, he got cuckolded.

  215. Talha says:

    Of course, we’re getting into epistemology here.

    As always.

    But it’s also beyond that. I’m presenting a practical matter. If your interpretation of a particular verse is in complete contradiction to how it is interpreted by all Christians, then your opinion on it is completely irrelevant (in a very real sense) for believing Christians except for the ones that look to you for guidance.

    Christians think that a mass of people believing something makes it actually true.

    Irrelevant – we are not talking about truth. I don’t believe what’s recorded in the Bible is truth, but if the Church has always interpreted their own scriptures a certain way and it doesn’t jive with what you like, then that’s your problem. If you want to start a church based on your interpretation of the scripture, then go for it – but don’t purport to tell people what they believe when they don’t actually believe it…that just seems silly. If there are Christian teachings or scholars (especially of influence) you can point to that come to your same conclusions, then that would actually be getting somewhere. Otherwise, you are just some anonymous internet guy with a beef against Christianity and they’re a dime a dozen.

    Again, this is all coming from a non-Christian perspective. Hell, I might even thank you for breaking down some Church doctrines that may help me in a future debate or two, but I honestly couldn’t use much of what you say because I can barely find it coherent. Up your game, man.


    • Replies: @attilathehen
  216. Anonymous[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    While mocking White mens’ failures, you finally openly admit your position: Can’t do without the Magic Jew! Your mind is fully Kiked.

    “To the Jews ‘belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship…’”

    Catechism of the Catholic Church

    You certainly have done exactly what Jesus told you to do. “Hate” your blood kin (Luke 14:26) and “forsake” your soil. (Matthew 19.27-30) All for an imaginary payoff (“reward”) from the Magical Jew.

    Typical Christcuck traitor, loyal to the Jew.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  217. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Jesus specifically promised to come back before people hearing it died. He didn’t. It’s that simple.

    “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16:27, 28)

    They’ve all long died.

    Jewsus didn’t come again.

    Your shipload of Jewfail has arrived.

    Note how he didn’t use the term generation in Matthew chapter 16, but did give a clue to what generation meant in other passages of the same bent. Generation doesn’t mean what you’re trying to s-t-r-e-t-c-h it into meaning.

    You’re engaging in post hoc rationalization, i.e., excuse making, just as desperately as Harold Camping’s.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  218. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Now that you bring it up for whatever reason you did, the Jew Paul had been rendered temporarily blind? Depends on which of the three contradictory accounts you actually believe from these Jewish storytellers.

    More contradictions in the Jewish storytelling abound in that tale.

    The men with Paul heard the voice [Acts 9:7]
    The men with Paul didn’t hear the voice [Acts 22:9]

    But you’ll just swallow any tall tales a Jew puts into you. You’re like a whore featured on

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  219. Corvinus says:


    Pants on fire. 100 intersectional Pokemon points earned for me!

    Ok, you try.


    “Steve Bannon: The Catholic Church ‘needs illegal aliens’ to fill its pews”

    Thanks for the red herring.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  220. @Anonymous

    How do you know our payoff is imaginary?

    Have you come back from the dead?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  221. @Anonymous

    If they were lying, they’d have got their stories together better.

  222. @Anonymous

    Till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Some expound this, as fulfilled at his transfiguration, which follows in the next chapter. Others understand it of the glory of Christ, and of his Church, after his resurrection and ascension, when he should be owned for Redeemer of the world: and this state of the Christian Church might be called the kingdom of Christ. (Witham) —

  223. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:

    “Inside every Christian is a Jew.” – The Pope

    Which means Catholics actively destroy the good, and embrace the turd world. Woke, indeed.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  224. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Thanks for admitting that Christians are whores to the Jews, working hard for “our payoff” from a foreign entity. Think you’ll get paid as much payola as Hillary did? Less? Are you a cheaper whore than Hillary?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  225. @Anonymous

    This is the payoff I long for:

    From now on the crown of righteousness awaits me, which the Lord, the just judge, will award to me on that day,g and not only to me, but to all who have longed for his appearance

    I doubt Hillary or any of her cronies can match it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  226. @Anonymous

    That’s Holy Thursday, and foot-washing is a tradition set by Jesus.

    I’m not a big fan of Pope Francis, but I’m certainly not going to fault him for following Holy Thursday tradition.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @RVBlake
  227. @Talha

    “I don’t believe what’s recorded in the Bible is truth,” There’s that Islamic heresy for you. I’ve read the Koran. It’s a farrago, dog’s breakfast of some of the Old Testament, incorrect ideas about the New Testament and pagan Arab beliefs. A Muslim told me that the Koran is the completion of the Bible and the final fulfillment of what God wanted.

    Of course, you don’t understand the Bible. You relying on the insane gibberish of a pedophile.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  228. @Rosamond Vincy

    Rosamund, thanks. You’re doing a great job in collapsing the RCC.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  229. Talha says:

    Thanks for your opinions on why you aren’t a Muslim…fascinating…

  230. @attilathehen

    The RCC has survived the Roman Arenas, the Great Schism, Luther, Henry VIII, the French Revolution, Fascism, and Communism.

    The RCC will withstand my poor efforts at apologetics just fine.

  231. @Technomad

    In the Pre-Vatican II 1950s Cardinal Spellman of NY, quite possibly America’s most prominent Catholic at the time, was a very active homosexual who was well-known to have frequented Broadway for it chorus boys, bringing many of them back to his “place” for affairs. Writer Michelangelo Signorile described Spellman, dubbed America’s Pope by some, as “one of the most notorious, powerful and sexually voracious homosexuals in the American Catholic Church’s history.” Even old J. Edgar had a file on Spellman regrading his homosexuality. Well into the 1980s the NYT was still providing cover for Spellman regarding these accusations.
    Fast forward to the present and we now know former Cardinal Richard McCarrick of Washington DC, a man who hob-nobbed with some of secular and religious society’s most rich and powerful people, was engaged in numerous gay liaisons, -some coerced, some consensual- with seminarians, alter boys and priests. And remember, thses new accusations in PA go back seventy years, BOFORE Vatican II of the mid 1960s.

  232. RVBlake says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Is foot-kissing part of Holy Thursday tradition? Or is this typical Bergoglian grand-standing?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  233. @RVBlake

    Don’t actually know: not a priest. I’ll ask around.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    , @RadicalCenter
  234. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Will your traitor’s “payoff” crown advertise the foreign merchants for whom you whore?

    Revelation 22:16 “I Jewsus…the root and the offspring of Da✡id, the bright and ✡morning star✡ [i.e., Lucifer].”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  235. @Rosamond Vincy

    You’re a good friend to anti-Catholic-Church people everywhere. Keep on driving them away.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Anonymous
  236. @Anonymous

    My payoff, if I get it, is in Heaven.

    If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all.

    I don’t believe you believe in pre-Christian paganism, Nordic supremacy, or any alternatives you propose to Christianity. You believe in nothing.

    Thomas Aquinas: To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  237. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Koran = Christian farrago.

    “[T]he Quran derives from a Syriac Christian lectionary.”

    The Christian Origins of Islam
    Peter J. Leithart
    First Things

    Allah = Christian farrago.

    Long before the Arabic false prophet Muhammad was born, the name Allah was used by both Jews and Arab Christians…

    John 21:17 “Jewsus saith unto him, ‘Feed my sheep farrago.’” LOL (You walked right into that one, hun.)

  238. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You believe in Woden exactly as much as I do, because his name is on your lips all of Woden’s Day. And tomorrow, Thor’s Day will be on your lips. You and I believe in Thor exactly the same too.

    I really don’t know much more about them than you do. They may not be much, but they’re European, not foreign. They’re /ourguys/. And you’re a traitor to /ourguys/, because you sold out for a “payoff” from a foreign m✡rning st✡r of David, a.k.a., Lucifer, who admits he was a bearer of light, i.e., Lucifer.

    You’ve sold your inheritance for a mess of pottage. If you ever do get your “payoff” from the foreign merchant Jewsus, the the spawn of Jacob the Deceiver [openly flaunted in Jewsus’ genealogy], you’ll be just as disappointed as Esau.

    Genesis 27:38 “Then Esau wept aloud.”

    If there is an afterlife in Jerusalem’s Jewheaven, that’s your future, you stupid whore.

    And the cuckspawn of Jacob the Deceiver is going to be laughing all the way to the bank that you hated your own blood kin as he commanded (Luke 14:26), forsook your own soil (Matthew 19:27-30), and sold out for a stupid little Burger King “payoff” crown.

    Myself, I’ll take the underworld of Loki’s half-dead daughter, Hell, any day. At least she’s /ourgirl/. (And no, it’s not a lake-of-fire like Jewsus, descendant of Jacob the Deciever, tries to make it to be. It’s just an afterlife happy-hunting-ground.)

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  239. RVBlake says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    When I was in RCIA years ago the Holy Thursday tradition was explained to us, but foot-kissing was definitely NOT mentioned. I have always studiously avoided Holy Thursday masses so I don’t know first-hand.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  240. @RadicalCenter

    Just a reminder. You married an Asian woman and have Asian offspring. You stated that the Asian offspring visit Asia regularly. You need to be driven out of the West along with your Asian family.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  241. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Vincy: You believe in nothing.

    Liar. You lie because you have sold your soul for a mess of “payoff” pottage to the foreign cuckspawn of Jacob the Deceiver. You’re starting to act just like a Jew.

    Fact: We say grace at our family table every meal in gratitude to God.[1][2]

    But I never pray to the cuckspawn Jewsus. Visiting Christians to our home seem happy with it. Nobody’s ever questioned why I didn’t mention Jewsus. They’ll even say Amen, another thing I don’t often say, since Amen-Ra is an Egyptian deity from which the Jewsus tales borrow. But I graciously accept it as a declaration of affirmation.

    [1] God, Gott, Gotin, Godin, Odin, Woden, Wotan, etc. are all synonyms for the same Teutonic deity, and today’s the day you too honor Woden on Woden’s Day.

    [2] The European’s G_d [translated “Gad”] is hated by Yahweh, as stated in Isaiah 65:11. Translators for the foreign, invasive desert cult of Kikeianity deceptively wrote “God” in place of Jewish names for their deity, to pull the wool over Europeans’ eyes.

  242. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Just a reminder. As a “Bride of Kikest,” you will be married an Asian Rabbi calling himself the “King of Israel” (John 1:49) in a ceremony in Jerusalem, a foreign, middle-eastern Asian capital city (Rev. 21:2).

    You need to be driven out of the West, along with your Asian Rabbi Jewsus. Maybe somewhere close to here:

    1 Corinthians 16:19 “The churches of Asia send you greetings.”

    Attila the Hun’s repatriation to Asia would be a win-win for everybody.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  243. Anonymous[630] • Disclaimer says:

    Blaming a silly girl for your problems? LOL

    I think those practicing the divine pederasty inspired by Jewsus and taught in semen-ary are driving people away all by themselves.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  244. @Rosamond Vincy

    Funny how the twisted and sick material in the Bible never, ever, ever, is to be taken literally. Some real contortions of language and logic are needed to make them ALL say something other than what they actually say.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @anonymous
  245. @Anonymous

    You’ll re-read my comment and see that I didn’t blame her for any of my quote problems.

    My wife and I didn’t factor in this particular papal-ring-kisser’s distasteful irrational views, pope worship, embarrassing excusemaking, and grating personality when we decided to leave the RCC and raise our children in a different Christian denomination. My parents didn’t even read her nonsense before they decided to leave the RCC (an even harder and sadder decision for them, at their age).

    And yes, of course, the church doesn’t need her help to drive Catholics and nonCatholics away. But she’s helping them do it, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  246. @Rosamond Vincy

    So you believe the claim by a group of people that God chose them over the rest of humanity. Sick.

    More embarrassing and slave-like, they’re not even your people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  247. @Rosamond Vincy

    You presumably haven’t slept with enough men to be a priest.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  248. @RadicalCenter

    P.S. I actually think that you’re right, Vincy, about the proper interpretation of those seemingly anti-family quotations, in their context. But come on, not every single irrational or cruel or otherwise indefensible statement in the Bible means something the opposite of what it seems to mean.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  249. anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Some real contortions of language and logic are needed to make them ALL say something other than what they actually say, indeed.

    That’s what theology is. They make it go down easy with smooth-talking.

    The smooth-talking eloquence is what theologians call Hermeneutics. Hermeneutics is named after Hermes, the Greek trickster god of smooth talking.

    Notably, Hermes is associated with being homoerotic. (Hermes also wore a petasus, a round hat, just like priests often still wear today.)

    Eros is also part of a triad of gods that played roles in homoerotic relationships, along with Heracles and Hermes, who bestowed qualities of Beauty (and Loyalty), strength, and eloquence, respectively, onto male lovers.

    LGBT themes in mythology

    That is what semen-ary is all about. Injecting other male lovers, just like Jewsus did, with the seed of smooth-talking eloquence.

    Mark 4:14 “The sower seeds the word.”

    And they do lap up all the seed in semen-ary.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  250. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    A sculpture of Hermes at Vatican City.

    Not show: the sower’s seeder equipment, just below the belly button.

    Hermes Ingenui
    Museum Collection
    Pio-Clementino Museum
    Vatican City

    Vatican: if you don’t feel like using your seeder to procreate like normal folk, we’ve got other ideas how to use it!

  251. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    They seem like anti-family quotations, because that is what they are, strongly anti-family sentiments from an anti-family radical Rabbi.

    Theologians agree with me. See chapter 3, “The Hateful Jesus: Luke 14.26” in the scholarly text The Bad Jesus: The Ethics of New Testament Ethics.(Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2015)

    Other scholars have noted how anti-family Jesus was, such as Eric Hoffer in his text The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Harper, 1951) in which he writes, “Still, not one of our contemporary movements was so outspoken in its antagonism toward the family as was early Christianity. Jesus minced no words: ‘For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me.”14 When He was told that His mother and brothers were outside desiring to speak with Him He said: “Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother, and my brethren!”15 When one of His disciples asked leave to go and bury his father, Jesus said to him: “Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.”16 He seemed to sense the ugly family conflicts His movement was bound to provoke both by its proselytizing and by the fanatical hatred of its antagonists. “And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.’”

    You’re as big into the excuse-making for anti-family Jewsus as is Vincy.

    The Jews were right in killing off Fruitcake Jesus.

    P.S. I’ll explain exactly why Jesus was so strongly anti-family, if you’d like to hear it.

  252. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    What sort of Christian denomination did you join that rejects clear pedestalization of Jews in the Jew Testament?

    • John 4:22 “Salvation is from the Jews.”
    • Acts 3:25 “He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’”
    • Romans 1:16 “The Jew first.”
    • Romans 9:4 “The people of Israel, chosen.”
    • Romans 15:27 “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.”

    And that’s just a sampling, without touching the older Jew Testament.

    Christianity is indeed embarrassing and slave-like. At least that’s starting to sink in.

  253. @RVBlake

    I sit in the back because incense makes me wheeze, so I don’t know either.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  254. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is it that not a single Christian here can write the slightest peep about all the Christian Art that I’ve posted here? Are you comfortable with it? Would you hang it on your locker at the gym? Or your living room? Do you think you can make it go away by magic if you ignore it like the Three Wise Monkeys?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  255. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Trivial nonsense. You fiddle with your rosary beads while altar boys are institutionally abused by divine pederasty.

    Indeed, you sit in the back, hoping the smoke from the flaming faggots will clear. It never does; instead, it gets thicker.

    If you haven’t quit the Catholic Church by now, as every other person with at least of tinge of morality has done, you’re part of the problem.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  256. @Anonymous

    All the Nordic gods were stupid except for Loki. Remember Baldur?
    Thor was strong like an ox, intelligent like a tractor.
    The Nibelungen and the Volsungs were a bunch of inbred trailor-trash.

    Jesus, on the other hand, was astonishing people with His wisdom from the time He was a Child in the Temple through the rest of His earthly life.

    He was also astonishingly patient–which I am not.

    I wonder what happened to you to make you hate the Church so much.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  257. @RadicalCenter

    I doubt very much anything I have ever written has influenced anyone either for or against the Church. I have neither driven anyone away, nor, alas, helped lead anyone to Faith.

    I have never kissed a Pope’s ring nor even met a Pope, although I did have the good fortune to hear JPII say Mass years ago. TBH, I don’t like Francis very much. He’s a little too hippie-dippie for me, though I still respect the office.

    As for my grating personality, one of my parish priests has advised me that St. Jerome had a horrible personality, so there’s hope for me yet.

  258. Talha says:

    Christian Art that I’ve posted here

    Was that stained glass photo (of the two priests and the kneeling boy) real? That seems really, really weird. Do you have another version of it that shows which church it comes from?


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  259. @Anonymous

    I haven’t quit the Church for the same reason I didn’t quit scouting, school, or gymnastics (which I did quit when my joints gave out). They don’t turn anybody into a pedo. The pedos show up wherever there are kids.

    For the record, I’d like to see the pedos thrown out of all of the above.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  260. @Anonymous

    I prefer this sort of Christian art:

    Love me some Asians!

  261. RVBlake says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Actually, Odin was the god of wisdom, among other attributes. He surrendered an eye to drink a horn of water from Mimir’s Well, gaining wisdom.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  262. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The scouts, school, or gymnastics don’t have operations manuals that include divine pederasty. Christianity does. It has continued for 2000 years. The practice is an exact copy of Zeus’ pederasty with Ganymede. Christian art always shows an older bearded male and a young boy snuggled to the older man’s bosom. Just like John 13:23-25 states. It’s sick that you ignore it.

    And it’s what they teach in the semen-ary. Hidden, with innuendo, not right out in the open, as gays always have to behave. But it’s there. Why do you think so many gays actively seek positions in the priestcraft?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  263. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    From the best I can gather, it is a real stained glass depiction of “confirmation” on an Episcopalian church’s window, which depicts the same really, really weird act from a different angle, directly from the St. Andrew’s Lakeworth church’s website:

    I think the divine pederasts in the Catholic Church are just trolling people with it now. They know the faithful will ignore it or cover it up, as they’d rather get their fantastical salvation goodies in the afterlife than rock the boat in this one.

    • Replies: @Talha
  264. @RVBlake

    That’s true. But it didn’t help him rein in his tiresome wife. Even Brunhilde couldn’t be bothered with her.

  265. @Anonymous

    You see what you want to see.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  266. Talha says:

    I doesn’t look too bad from the side angle. Looks almost like one is being “spiritually knighted” or something.

    But from the other angles – man that looks really bad – somebody ought to be getting fired for running a horrible marketing campaign.

    Some of those paintings you have posted make the Son of Mary (pbuh) look pretty effeminate. No idea why Christians would think it is a positive thing to depict him as such, again really bad marketing.

    But then, they do depict him in a pretty alpha mode when he comes back to Earth – so there’s that:

    Of course, we believe he will come back in fighting mode as well (and fight he shall) and then eventually marry, have children and then pass away – we have a grave reserved for him next to the Prophet (pbuh) in Madinah.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  267. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You sound like a goddam shyster lawyer trying to gaslight a witness to a murder. Same with your comment #228. Until now, I thought you were a stupid girl. You may be that too; however, you are revealing the hatred of the good you have in your heart. You’re evil. It’s not surprising from somebody who worships the Jewish “morning star” [a.k.a., Lucifer] and is willing to sell out her own blood kin for a foreign “payoff.”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  268. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewsus is depicted as effeminate. My ancestors also considered Jewsus a lily-livered coward.

    The term for “White Christ” or Hvítakristr came into currency among the heathen Icelanders at the time when pagan and Christian religions were in conflict…To call a man hvítr was to say that he was cowardly, effeminate…A related phrase was to say, “your liver is white” meaning again, a coward… which is almost identical to modern English usage, “lily-livered” with the same meaning.

    Why did the Vikings call Jesus the White [Lily-Livered] Christ?

    • Replies: @Talha
  269. Talha says:

    OK – I get it since he is basically depicted as a pacifist-turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy, but the actual Christians went pretty postal on the pagans in that area – they didn’t call it the Northern/Baltic Crusade for nothing…

    In the war between pagans and Christians…well, the Christians basically handed the pagans their backsides again and again. And they didn’t do any jizyah deals either; there’s a good reason why there were zero pagans in Europe until recently when neo-Paganism is coming around.

    Again, I can’t speak to the depiction of the Son of Mary (pbuh) for Christians. For us, his ministry was his Makkah stage – when he comes to live out the rest of his life (marriage, family, rulership, war, etc.), it will be his Madinah stage – which will definitely not be anything close to being depicted as effeminate. It seems the Christians agree on the point of him coming back to wage war (as I showed in the images) – so I guess we’ll have to wait it out and see.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  270. @Anonymous

    Only God knows who is going to Hell, but I have a feeling whoever so misrepresented Christ and Christianity to you that you nurture this bitterness against both belongs there.
    Perhaps you do believe–why cherish such hatred for something that doesn’t exist?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  271. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The art is Christian, unaltered. Nothing misrepresented. And I’m not an atheist. So you’re the one who is misrepresenting. Can you stop lying for just one minute? Or has lying become pathological for you?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  272. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m well familiar, and your desert tribe does well to crow about the other desert tribe invading the Northern Forest People. Abrahamic Judeo-Christo-Islamic values.

    But the invasion meant to unite Europe under the Jew-worshiping Pope wasn’t successful for long. Luther was the North’s swift revenge for the Crusades. The Protestants printed the Jew Testament and thumped the Catholics into a minority. Ask the Spanish how their Invincible Armada faired. Deus limp. Defeated by Nordic/Celtic/Anglo/Saxon berserkers who set their own ships on fire and pulled up beside Catholic sailors and put the fear of Lord Vader in them, sent them packing back south.

    Northern Europe has now discarded the stupid mysticism of Jewianity (with many folks overshooting into atheism) while retaining Jewsus’ universalism, i.e., “liberal values.” John Gray has identified the problem, and it looks like this vestigial Christian universalism is also being discarded, with movements like Brexit and the latest polling for the upcoming Swedish elections.

    [T]he narrative of redemption that sustains secular humanists everywhere – is a hollowed-out version of a theistic myth.

    Redemption for all, a vestige of Christianity and paid for by Whitey, ends soon. Either with the end of Whitey, or Making Icepeople Great Again. The ride never ends.

    • Replies: @Talha
  273. Talha says:

    does well to crow about the other desert tribe invading the Northern Forest People.

    No crowing bro, just pointing out facts. That was a completely European affair – it was one of many continental European conflicts (prior to and after Christianity). Pagans loved scrapping with each other; the various tribes vying with each other over territory, the Romans versus all tribes, etc. They just found a new reason to fight. And you pointed out to how your ancestors thought Christianity was kind of gay and I simply pointed out that they kicked in pagan teeth on practically every front and basically all over the continent. So there’s kind of a cognitive dissonance there, exemplified in this meme:

    Look, I would have advocated setting up pagan millets and letting them pay jizyah under the dhimmah agreement, but Christians did their own thing.

    Luther was the North’s swift revenge for the Crusades. The Protestants printed the Jew Testament and thumped the Catholics into a minority.

    Very interesting take on Protestantism (never thought of it this way)…if i recall, Goethe considered Luther to be a kind of German prophet of sorts.

    Spanish how their Invincible Armada faired. Deus limp. Defeated by Nordic/Celtic/Anglo/Saxon berserkers

    Well, there go those Europeans again, fighting over something else – see my earlier point.

    Northern Europe has now discarded the stupid mysticism of Jewianity (with many folks overshooting into atheism)

    Post-Christian surely describes Europe well. Nietzsche had his finger on it, well before others recognized what was going on.

    Either with the end of Whitey

    Whitey ain’t going anywhere. Whitey will get out of this just fine, like he has gotten out of far, far worse dilemmas on his continent. God created Whitey, and God will preserve him inshAllah. Of this I have little doubt, but Whitey needs to turn to God again…I’ll bring this up later.

    The ride never ends.

    Once your relatives put your cold carcass into the ground to be devoured by worms or burn you into dust it ends as far as this plane is concerned.

    Look, I actually get some of your points (though they are kind of mixed in with a bunch of other off-the-wall stuff). Your major point seems to be; you believe Christianity is tied into Judaism and Bani Israel too closely at the hip. And that, due to that relationship, it (and its societies) is exploitable by Jews if they have nefarious designs. So far, so good?

    OK. Well, we actually do not believe the Semites have a monopoly on prophethood – this is actually a bone of contention we have with them since our guidance came through the branch of Ishmael (pbuh) which they basically disregard. We believe every nation had been sent prophets and warners by the Divine, so we have no problem with the idea that there were prophets sent among the Germans or Greeks or Picts, etc. In fact the default assumption is that they were sent messengers:
    “We assuredly sent amongst every nation (ummah) a messenger, (with the Command), ‘Serve God, and eschew evil’…” (16:36)

    “We have sent you with the truth, bringing good news and giving warning. There is no community to which a warner had not come.” (35:24)

    Now you may pooh pooh that narrative – which is fine, but our narrative is different than with the Jews and Christians in this regard.

    So…it seems you are post-Christian but believe in some sort of Deity or Higher Power. What religion or philosophy do you propose to replace Christianity and get your people out of trouble? Constantly attacking Christianity is basically beating a dead horse (since Christianity is already shedding numbers like crazy and the Christians you are dealing with are basically struggling – valiantly at times, I may add – against the tide):

    But that’s not offering a counter-solution. That article was awesome actually – thanks for posting it. So do you espouse a revamped version of Haekel’s “Monism” as the way forward? As the article stated, much of what Westerners assume to be natural moral values are leftovers from Christianity. So if the West has evolved past Christianity; what next? Who will be your “Moses” that leads your people to the promised land?


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  274. @Anonymous

    When I look at depictions of John at the Last Supper, I see a young man overcome by several ritual cups of wine, to the probable amusement of older disciples, who themselves will be in an alcoholic stupor before long, leaving their Lord to go through some of the most terrifying moments of His life alone.

    I see Jesus finding room in His own dread for compassion on this young man, who will wake to find that the Master he has followed and has seen enter Jerusalem in triumph will be arrested, tried, and executed as a common criminal.

    John will see people he has been taught to respect all his life display cowardice, corruption (he knew people in the high priest’s house, and may have been a poor cousin), and malice. All the older, supposedly responsible disciples will run like rabbits, but John will stay to the end, when Jesus entrusts His own mother to his care.

    John is so devastated that when he is old, it’s said that he asks the community to fast and pray with him before he composes his Gospel. Despite his knowledge of the Resurrection, he knows that relating the events of those horrifying days will involve reliving them.

    Jesus knows that this tired lad, barely a man, will not desert him, but all those big tough disciples, ready with physical courage for a knife fight, lack the moral courage required to stand before a kangaroo court.

    That’s what I see when I look at such pictures.

  275. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    Talha: Very interesting take on Protestantism

    I read that Martin Luther and Protestantism was the Nordic revenge for the Catholic’s Northern Crusades in a good old book that spent quite some time arguing that premise. It’s on somewhere.

    Talha: Your major point seems to be; you believe Christianity is tied into Judaism and Bani Israel too closely at the hip.

    True. Christianity is Jew Worship. The Jew Testament was the modern Jewish Media of the day, just like CNN is now.

    Talha: Well, we actually do not believe the Semites have a monopoly on prophethood

    Smart move. Lucky for you.

    Talha: So…it seems you are post-Christian but believe in some sort of Deity or Higher Power.

    I’ve been told by two well-known theologians that I’m a Cultural-Christian, meaning I don’t believe the dogma, but I embrace the European Traditions, all of them pagan-originated, that have developed in spite of Christian dogma against most of those traditions. E.g., the Rabbi Jewsus would throw an ungodly hissy fit at the gift giving we enjoy in a few months at Solstice.

    Talha: But that’s not offering a counter-solution.

    I’m specifically NOT offering any counter-solution. The problem of inherent Jew-worship in Christianity has to first be recognized and acknowledged, and as you can see from comments here at Unz, Christians are in total denial about it. It’s very important to not offer solutions to those who refuse to recognize and acknowledge problems. An alcoholic must first recognize and acknowledge his alcoholism before he will consider and act on counter-solutions, because “padded consequences.”

    “Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

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  276. E.g., the Rabbi Jewsus would throw an ungodly hissy fit at the gift giving we enjoy in a few months at Solstice

    Says who? He liked a good party.

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  277. Talha says:

    all of them pagan-originated, that have developed in spite of Christian dogma against most of those traditions

    This is a very interesting point. It seems Christians adopted or co-opted a lot of pagan traditions into their religious practice (such as festivals, etc.) – like the timing of Easter or its association with obvious symbols of fertility, winter solstice, etc. There is definitely a massive advantage in doing something like this, but there is also a disadvantage – which you are pointing out. Islam avoided that (brilliantly, now that I think about it) by having all of its religious dates and festivals hooked to the lunar calendar, such that the dates move throughout one’s lifetime. So, when I was younger, Ramadan came during winter months, but now is in the summer months (likewise any celebrations like Eid). This avoids conflict (or syncretization) with many cultural leftovers which are almost always associated with the solar calendar or the seasons. The celebration of Nawrooz (the ancient spring-announcement festival of the Persianate lands) is still observed in places like Iran, Afghanistan, etc. The celebration remains, but it is not connected with anything Islamic in doctrine, thus remains a Persian cultural norm. Yennayer is a similar celebration among the Berber people since ancient times. I would assume the same thing will happen if the Chinese adopt Islam wholesale with the native Chinese celebrations. So the local guys celebrate their own culturally inherited festivals (Persians don’t care about Berber stuff and vice-versa), usually based on some ancient harvest or spring celebration and Islam is kept pure from it while Muslims around the world celebrate together, as Muslims, on the specific religious days.

    Please note: Hardcore Salafis vehemently disagree with what I just stated and would love to wipe all cultural-specific celebrations off the planet (including stuff like Thanksgiving – which I and my family are keen to celebrate as Americans).

    I’m specifically NOT offering any counter-solution.

    OK – I get that and now your approach makes more sense. However, I would like to point out to you that if you want “converts” to your side, you are going to have to offer them a serious alternative eventually to get anything off the ground. Otherwise you may simply be dismissed as a crank.

    Personal advice, try to engage with Christians a little bit more like you’ve been engaging with me. It’s been generally civil and respectful and I have thus been more open to thinking over your viewpoints – even if I don’t agree with them (any Muslim who says anything insulting about the Son of Mary [pbuh] – even though we disagree about him with Christians) just lost his card-carrying membership to Islam (and often in the past, his head).

    Half of the debate is in one’s presentation; wisdom in approach is key – especially if you are trying to win people over. Pissing them off starts you at a negative position from which you have to then catch up. If you just want to troll people, that’s a whole other issue, but why waste your time and fleeting life on some useless endeavor like that?

    If you sincerely believe what you have to offer is for the good of your Christian audience; then reflect on how you would approach a friend (like in your example) who was an alcoholic and who you wanted to help sincerely turn their life around…makes sense?


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  278. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    It appears that Catholics have their very own Betty Bowers.

  279. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not here to convert anybody to anything. Like Socrates, the gadfly, I interfere with the status quo of a society or community by posing novel, potently upsetting questions, specifically in regard to people who blame Jews for European problems while simultaneously worshiping the Jews. It’s the damn silliest thing I’ve ever seen.

    How can people bang on about the Jews and their lies and simultaneously worship the spawn of Jacob the Deceiver?

    “Sting people and whip them into a fury, all in the service of truth.” -Socrates

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    , @Rosamond Vincy
  280. Talha says:

    The Deceiver

    Another part of the narrative we disagree with…

    Oh well…ok, but you do know what happened to Socrates, right? Just sayin’…


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  281. @Anonymous

    I’m Betty Bowers, but you’re Socrates?


    Egomaniac much?

  282. @Talha

    As I’m sure you already know, Socrates didn’t hurl polemics at people. That was Polemo (for whom they are named). Socrates asked questions about what people believed, got them to agree with certain basic principles, then gradually led them to see the logical consequences of their beliefs. As you’ve noted some, people did not appreciate the process, but that was because he had masterful rhetorical skills: he let opponents trap themselves.

    Your patience with our Anonymous and some other commenters is astonishing. I do not share your faith, but I respect your knowledge and ability to form a logical argument.

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    , @Anonymous
  283. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Socrates didn’t hurl polemics at people

    Probably why people still read his stuff.

    he let opponents trap themselves.

    Verbal and mental jiu-jitsu.

    Your patience

    Any good qualities I have are from God accepting the prayers and efforts of my parents and teachers.

    I honestly don’t like debating (Imam Ghazali [ra] was a master at it, but advised against it), I’d rather have an open and honest discussion and some people around Unz have been great for that.

    Otherwise, for intractable foes (or those people who seem to harbor a personal animosity against me) the point is not to change their opinion; that is usually a lost cause, as Imam Ghazali (ra) pointed out. Rather, one uses the points of one’s opponent to either break down their argument or to get one’s own material out there (preferably with reliable sources and citations). The audience who may be sitting on the fence or have an open mind about the subject and merely observing is the key target. And, again, in that – one’s character and presentation is key. One can have the greatest lawyer in the world, but if he comes dressed to court in a Batman suit, well…

    I think people should really think twice about being glib about the loss of traditional Christianity in the West. Even if one assumes it was inevitable, one cannot deny the civilization collapse this loss has engendered.


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  284. @Talha

    I’d kind of like to see a lawyer show up to court in a Batman suit…just not my lawyer. Although it does give one a built-in appeal for inadequate representation.

    And then there’s this:

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  285. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    LOL! I remember that movie fondly!



  286. Anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    A crazy Catholic cunt, cavorting with the Muslim invader, clearly illustrates 2 Timothy 3:6, For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.

  287. Never met Talha, likely never will, but I do not cavort with married Muslims any more than I cavort with incel lapsed Catholics.

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