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The criminal dimensions of OPE can be gleaned from the Breaking the Silence testimonies (see Table 5).

TABLE 5 How Israel Fought OPE: A Selection of IDF Testimonies
18* When we left after the operation, it was just a barren stretch of desert…. We spoke about it a lot amongst ourselves, the guys from the company, how crazy the amount of damage we did there was. I quote: “Listen man, it’s crazy what went on in there,” “Listen man, we really messed them up,” “Fuck, check it out, there’s nothing at all left…, it’s nothing but desert now, that’s crazy.”
21 I remember that the level of destruction looked insane to me.
22 We entered Gaza…with an insane amount of firepower.
25 It all looked like a science fiction movie…serious levels of destruction everywhere…. [E]verything was really in ruins. And non-stop fire all the time.
30 Before the entrance on foot [to the Gaza Strip], a crazy amount of artillery was fired at the entire area…. Before a tank makes any movement it fires, every time. Those guys were trigger happy, totally crazy.[1]2014 Gaza Conflict states that “artillery was used in a restrained and calculated fashion, after taking various technical and doctrinal precautions intended to minimize potential civilian harm and optimize the fire’s accuracy” (para. 357).
31 The explosions’ effects cause major amounts of damage, but that doesn’t interest anyone. “Use it, use it, explosives can’t be taken back,” the platoon commander says, “I don’t want to leave explosives with me.”
35 [Y]ou saw crazy wreckage, it was a real trip.
36 Our view was of the center of the Strip. Let’s say it was a real fireworks display. From a distance it looked pretty cool.
37 [Y]ou’re shooting at anything that moves—and also at what isn’t moving, crazy amounts…. [I]t also becomes a bit like a computer game, totally cool and real.
49 It was total destruction in there—the photos on line are child’s play compared to what we saw there in reality…. I never saw anything like it.
70 [T]he unfathomable number of dead on one of the sides, the unimaginable level of destruction, the way militant cells and people were regarded as targets and not as living beings—that’s something that troubles me.
74 [I]t’s destruction on a whole other level.
94 The air force carries out an insane amount of strikes in the Gaza Strip during an operation like “Protective Edge.”
96 The air force carries out an insane amount of strikes in the Gaza Strip during an operation like “Protective Edge.”
  • * Testimonies are numbered in the collection.
  • ** Bracketed, italicized interpolations by Breaking the Silence.

Although Israel recoils at comparisons between its own conduct and the Nazi holocaust, one of the testimonies (#83) breaks this taboo: “There’s that famous photo that they always show on trips to Poland (organized trips in which Israeli youths visit Holocaust memorial sites) that shows Warsaw before the war and Warsaw after the Second World War. The photo shows the heart of Warsaw and it’s this classy European city, and then they show it at the end of the war. They show the exact same neighborhood, only it has just one house left standing, and the rest is just ruins. That’s what it looked like.” To avoid mind-numbing redundancy, Table 5 omits quoting the succession of combatants who testified that the IDF’s modus operandi during OPE was shoot to kill anything that moves, often on explicit orders, but also because it was “cool.”[2]Curious readers should consult these numbered testimonies: 2, 3, 16, 17, 22, 24, 28, 40, 51, 52, 55, 56, 63, 75, 81. The last testimony (#111) in the Breaking the Silence collection provides insight into the society that nurtured this Vandal-like army. “You leave the [Gaza Strip] and the most obvious question is, ‘Did you kill anybody?’,” an IDF infantry sergeant rued. “Even if you meet the most leftwing girl in the world, eventually she’ll start thinking, ‘Did you ever kill somebody, or not?’ And what can you do about it? Most people in our society consider that to be a badge of honor. So everyone wants to come out of there with that feeling of satisfaction.”[3]The UN Board of Inquiry shed more light on the criminal nature of OPE. Israel had in its possession up-to-date GPS coordinates of all the UN shelters it targeted; it used indiscriminate weapons (mortars, artillery) in densely populated areas where these shelters were located, but also precision weapons (precision-guided missiles) leaving no doubt as to intent; the Board did not credit Israel’s sundry alibis and evasions in these murderous attacks, which left scores dead and hundreds wounded.

[1] 2014 Gaza Conflict states that “artillery was used in a restrained and calculated fashion, after taking various technical and doctrinal precautions intended to minimize potential civilian harm and optimize the fire’s accuracy” (para. 357).

[2] Curious readers should consult these numbered testimonies: 2, 3, 16, 17, 22, 24, 28, 40, 51, 52, 55, 56, 63, 75, 81.

[3] The UN Board of Inquiry shed more light on the criminal nature of OPE. Israel had in its possession up-to-date GPS coordinates of all the UN shelters it targeted; it used indiscriminate weapons (mortars, artillery) in densely populated areas where these shelters were located, but also precision weapons (precision-guided missiles) leaving no doubt as to intent; the Board did not credit Israel’s sundry alibis and evasions in these murderous attacks, which left scores dead and hundreds wounded.

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    The scale of the entire operation indicates that it had been planned for some time prior and wasn’t just a spontaneous retaliation for a Palestinian attack. There was nothing spontaneous about it. Of course there’ll be internet commenters claiming they were just reacting to Palestinian provocations. One favorite claim of theirs is that the Palestinians welcome being bombed and provoke it because it provides such good propaganda for them when they can cart out their dead children for the television cameras. Those people can explain away anything.
    Reportedly $2B of firepower was expended upon Gaza which is not a terribly big place therefore the experience must have been a very intense and terrifying one which was probably the intent to begin with. The money could theoretically have been spent on things like paying better salaries and pensions, providing medical or educational services, things like that. The leadership apparently prefers to spend the wealth of the country in other ways in accord with their own priorities.

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  2. The Israelis are caught in this endless nightmare. But the US needn’t ever have gotten involved and we wouldn’t have if Truman had followed the advice of people like George Marshall and George Kennan rather than the advice of his political operatives.

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    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
    Harry Truman--the failed haberdasher, the "Senator from Pendergast"--recognized Israel in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from Zionist sources.
    , @KA
    Israel was born at a time when one nation was standing tall and at nation was already bought by Zionist.
    UN General Assembly supported the partition in majority vote but there was no UNSC vote or resolution. The vote was not binding
    The votes were bought ,some by bribes,some under duress some under plain threat. There were even threat to lives of some of the UN dignitaries . India was one of those who was threatened.
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    All these wars Israel keeps committing to just proves to me one thing: the Jewish people are not a martial race. They do not have fighting spirit. All their technology, firepower, intelligence, and massive arsenals were ineffective against some gaggle of ragtag low-tech resistance fighters (who have been under the worlds most intense blockade, embargo, and sanctions).

    It explains the lack of fighting seen from Jewish people during World War 2. Russian kids, aged 8 years old, would sneak and crawl under Nazi tanks to plant explosives. The Soviet people understood that this was an existential war that required everyone to do their part. Yet when it came to the Jewish people they just lined up with little to no resistance. We see a couple of incidents where young Jewish men bravely resisted the Nazis in ghettos but every other story is about how meekly they queued up to be executed.

    “Did you ever kill somebody, or not?”
    I wonder if anyone asked that after the 2006 Hezbollah war when the IDF found out it wasn’t cool to fight trained and armed (yet still third-world) fighters as opposed to the defenseless women and children of Gaza.

    I wonder if anyone asked that after 1945…. you know… when it mattered.

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  4. Those innocent victim Hamas fired hundred of katyushas and rockets on civilian populations in Israel. They executed Israeli soldiers where they could. They tried to produce surprise terror attack through tunnels that ended in Israeli settlements. Everybody who lived through those terrible moments desired that the cruel savages of Gaza be terminated to emerge from the nightmare.

    I dont understand how Americans, who are bombing day after day ISIS (that is the same Hamas of Gaza) and watch the videoclips of cruel decapitations and crucifixions, slave markets, etc. can feel for their sworn enemies. Dont you see what ISIS (that is Hamas) is doing to the Christians?

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  5. PS: Dr Finkelstein is a very twisted Jew, indeed. ISIS (Hamas) would straighten his head in no time.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Perhaps you are suggesting what many may already surmise... that ISIS functions as a terrorist proxy for Israeli extremism and its desire to shatter and destabilize Syria so Israel can keep, forever, the "stolen" Golan heights?

    ... and that if Dr Finkelstein continues to expose Israels OPE for what it "truly "was....the deliberate and brutal extermination of Gaza ....you will send" Israel's" ISIS to punish him?
    , @Anonymous

    Dr Finkelstein is a very twisted Jew, indeed.
     
    That's some almighty projection right there...
  6. @Jim
    The Israelis are caught in this endless nightmare. But the US needn't ever have gotten involved and we wouldn't have if Truman had followed the advice of people like George Marshall and George Kennan rather than the advice of his political operatives.

    Harry Truman–the failed haberdasher, the “Senator from Pendergast”–recognized Israel in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from Zionist sources.

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  7. @J
    PS: Dr Finkelstein is a very twisted Jew, indeed. ISIS (Hamas) would straighten his head in no time.

    Perhaps you are suggesting what many may already surmise… that ISIS functions as a terrorist proxy for Israeli extremism and its desire to shatter and destabilize Syria so Israel can keep, forever, the “stolen” Golan heights?

    … and that if Dr Finkelstein continues to expose Israels OPE for what it “truly “was….the deliberate and brutal extermination of Gaza ….you will send” Israel’s” ISIS to punish him?

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    • Replies: @J
    (1) So you think ISIS, the Sunni Caliphate, accepts orders from Jerusalem. That is an Israeli puppet. Hm.
    (2) Israel is deliberately exterminating the population of Gaza. We must be doing a very poor job, because Gaza's population is growing at 3.5% per year. They were 500,000 a generation ago, now they are about 3 million.
    (3) No, I dont wish harm on anybody. Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.
  8. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @J
    PS: Dr Finkelstein is a very twisted Jew, indeed. ISIS (Hamas) would straighten his head in no time.

    Dr Finkelstein is a very twisted Jew, indeed.

    That’s some almighty projection right there…

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  9. @alexander
    Perhaps you are suggesting what many may already surmise... that ISIS functions as a terrorist proxy for Israeli extremism and its desire to shatter and destabilize Syria so Israel can keep, forever, the "stolen" Golan heights?

    ... and that if Dr Finkelstein continues to expose Israels OPE for what it "truly "was....the deliberate and brutal extermination of Gaza ....you will send" Israel's" ISIS to punish him?

    (1) So you think ISIS, the Sunni Caliphate, accepts orders from Jerusalem. That is an Israeli puppet. Hm.
    (2) Israel is deliberately exterminating the population of Gaza. We must be doing a very poor job, because Gaza’s population is growing at 3.5% per year. They were 500,000 a generation ago, now they are about 3 million.
    (3) No, I dont wish harm on anybody. Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.
     
    But before Auschwitz and during Auschwitz, for the Jewish leaders who set in motion the war in Germany, and most especially, who engineered the destruction of Hungarian Jews, Jewish lives were expendable.

    There's even a Torah precedent for the Levites who arranged for the destruction of those Slavic Jews who were deemed inappropriate human material for the new Jew that would populate Palestine:

    Exodus 32:

    Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
     
    Isn't it curious that in February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed that "All Jews must leave Germany," and most of them did.
    But German Jews were not threatened. NSDAP actually protected Jews in Germany, and assisted them to leave, with much of their wealth -- and to the detriment of the German economy.

    Polish, Russian and Hungarian Jews were threatened.
    They were also the same groups least desired for migration to Palestine.
    And they were the groups who suffered the greatest deaths.

    Jewish leaders knew that Slavic Jews were the groups threatened; Rabbi Stephen Wise started complaining about "the death of 6 million Russian Jews as early as 1900.

    Why didn't Louis Brandeis direct that those Jews, the ones who were threatened, the "tired, hungry, huddled masses" of Jews be the ones that international Jewry should mobilize to remove from harm's way?

    Instead, they were the ones that the Levites slaughtered, whether by the Jewish sword or that of another.

    One other thing -- it is passing curious that in all the way-too-many holocaust museums in the world, there are no memorials to all those 6 million German Jews who died in Germany as a result of Allied firebombing.

    Ever notice that?
  10. @J
    (1) So you think ISIS, the Sunni Caliphate, accepts orders from Jerusalem. That is an Israeli puppet. Hm.
    (2) Israel is deliberately exterminating the population of Gaza. We must be doing a very poor job, because Gaza's population is growing at 3.5% per year. They were 500,000 a generation ago, now they are about 3 million.
    (3) No, I dont wish harm on anybody. Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.

    Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.

    But before Auschwitz and during Auschwitz, for the Jewish leaders who set in motion the war in Germany, and most especially, who engineered the destruction of Hungarian Jews, Jewish lives were expendable.

    [MORE]

    There’s even a Torah precedent for the Levites who arranged for the destruction of those Slavic Jews who were deemed inappropriate human material for the new Jew that would populate Palestine:

    Exodus 32:

    Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

    Isn’t it curious that in February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed that “All Jews must leave Germany,” and most of them did.
    But German Jews were not threatened. NSDAP actually protected Jews in Germany, and assisted them to leave, with much of their wealth — and to the detriment of the German economy.

    Polish, Russian and Hungarian Jews were threatened.
    They were also the same groups least desired for migration to Palestine.
    And they were the groups who suffered the greatest deaths.

    Jewish leaders knew that Slavic Jews were the groups threatened; Rabbi Stephen Wise started complaining about “the death of 6 million Russian Jews as early as 1900.

    Why didn’t Louis Brandeis direct that those Jews, the ones who were threatened, the “tired, hungry, huddled masses” of Jews be the ones that international Jewry should mobilize to remove from harm’s way?

    Instead, they were the ones that the Levites slaughtered, whether by the Jewish sword or that of another.

    One other thing — it is passing curious that in all the way-too-many holocaust museums in the world, there are no memorials to all those 6 million German Jews who died in Germany as a result of Allied firebombing.

    Ever notice that?

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    • Replies: @J
    You are saying that the Jews themselves exterminated themselves. Or the Levites did it by hand under the orders of Aaron the Priest. I would like to know what Dr Norman Finkelstein thinks about that, after all he is a very talented person and he personally lost all his relatives in Poland in the Holocaust, He must have reflected on it and also about what he is doing.
  11. hi J,

    To answer your first question,Unfortunately,Yes !

    I think that “any” mercenary group, terrorist group or terrorist organization, be it Al Nusra , Al Qeida, the ‘free Syrian army” or ISIS is at work primarily to shatter the territorial integrity of Syria, so Israel can keep , permanently, its coveted Golan heights .

    Israel has never offered to purchase it, has never offered to give it back, and is well aware the UN Security Council has mandated its return to Syria…

    The ONLY way around that “mandate” is if there is no Syria left to return it to !

    The entire “civil war” or “the rolling back of Syria”( has been in the planning stages by Israel, for years),…… and is calibrated NOT to end..but to continue indefinitely until Syria is a burnt and smoldering husk , a collapsed and fragmented state whose territorial borders are eradicated and replaced with a chock o block of regional zones.

    Israels obligation to return the” Golan” vanishes…as Syria vanishes !

    The “names” of these various “terrorist” groups. or their intentions, are for the most part phony, arbitrary and in reality, beside the point…..that point being, the more the merrier, as long as the chopping up, of Syria, proceeds apace.

    It is Israels war, by proxy, for territorial conquest, and the coveted” Golan Heights”, its prize!

    In answer to your second question, I do not believe Israel has “always” wanted to exterminate the people of Gaza,… That Israel has, in fact, been in a tense internal debate for decades about how to resolve the conflict and measured those resolutions against all the prevailing head winds of international law, US support, domestic political “balancing” and its own moral integrity…..

    I do believe at this juncture in time, with King Bibi at the helm, and the extremist and supremacist turn, of the bulk of the governing coalitions , toward War…Israel, today, “covets” Gaza and all its natural resources and would like to remainder “the Seeds of Amalek’ residing there , to the dust bin of History, for all time .

    Its all, quite tragically, about what Bibi can “get away with”.

    And in response to your third point….neither do I,….. and if what you say is true…..
    then we too are bothers…..

    .Brothers in Peace !

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  12. @SolontoCroesus

    Specifically, I consider that after Auschwitz, every Jewish life is precious. Prof. Finkelstein, pathetic a Jew that he is, is my brother.
     
    But before Auschwitz and during Auschwitz, for the Jewish leaders who set in motion the war in Germany, and most especially, who engineered the destruction of Hungarian Jews, Jewish lives were expendable.

    There's even a Torah precedent for the Levites who arranged for the destruction of those Slavic Jews who were deemed inappropriate human material for the new Jew that would populate Palestine:

    Exodus 32:

    Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
     
    Isn't it curious that in February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed that "All Jews must leave Germany," and most of them did.
    But German Jews were not threatened. NSDAP actually protected Jews in Germany, and assisted them to leave, with much of their wealth -- and to the detriment of the German economy.

    Polish, Russian and Hungarian Jews were threatened.
    They were also the same groups least desired for migration to Palestine.
    And they were the groups who suffered the greatest deaths.

    Jewish leaders knew that Slavic Jews were the groups threatened; Rabbi Stephen Wise started complaining about "the death of 6 million Russian Jews as early as 1900.

    Why didn't Louis Brandeis direct that those Jews, the ones who were threatened, the "tired, hungry, huddled masses" of Jews be the ones that international Jewry should mobilize to remove from harm's way?

    Instead, they were the ones that the Levites slaughtered, whether by the Jewish sword or that of another.

    One other thing -- it is passing curious that in all the way-too-many holocaust museums in the world, there are no memorials to all those 6 million German Jews who died in Germany as a result of Allied firebombing.

    Ever notice that?

    You are saying that the Jews themselves exterminated themselves. Or the Levites did it by hand under the orders of Aaron the Priest. I would like to know what Dr Norman Finkelstein thinks about that, after all he is a very talented person and he personally lost all his relatives in Poland in the Holocaust, He must have reflected on it and also about what he is doing.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    It's a hideous notion, I acknowledge, J.

    It's not one that I have heard Finkelstein raise, but neither is it something that would have occurred to me 'in the course of human events.'

    I heard Michael Ledeen make the argument. What was posted above is all based on Ledeen's claims; Ledeen said that "as a Levite" he is "proud of what Levites did."

    If the troubles in Germany are explored further and in the objective and logical fashion that historians must use to examine events, the first thing to figure out is a chronology.
    Based on the chronology, one begins to hypothesis who set events in motion: causes must come before effects. Based on the chronology, Jewish leaders worked with FDR and Churchill to insist that a war against Germany take place, and that the USA be involved in that war.

    Hitler did not want war.
    In a video in ~2008, Norman Finkelstein said exactly that: Hitler did not want war.

    In a discussion of his book on Nazi propaganda, Jeffrey Herf was asked by (the late) Carla Cohen, then-owner of Politics & Prose books: "Are you saying that if there had been no war there would have been no final solution?"
    Herf answered, "Yes. No war, no final solution." http://www.c-span.org/video/?192852-1/book-discussion-jewish-enemy-nazi-propaganda

    It's logical to state: Hitler did not want war; ergo, Hitler did not want a 'final solution.'
    Jewish leaders did want war. Ergo, Jewish leaders must have wanted, or at very least understood that at some level that a "final solution" would take place.

    Please point out the flaws in the facts or logic.

  13. @J
    You are saying that the Jews themselves exterminated themselves. Or the Levites did it by hand under the orders of Aaron the Priest. I would like to know what Dr Norman Finkelstein thinks about that, after all he is a very talented person and he personally lost all his relatives in Poland in the Holocaust, He must have reflected on it and also about what he is doing.

    It’s a hideous notion, I acknowledge, J.

    It’s not one that I have heard Finkelstein raise, but neither is it something that would have occurred to me ‘in the course of human events.’

    I heard Michael Ledeen make the argument. What was posted above is all based on Ledeen’s claims; Ledeen said that “as a Levite” he is “proud of what Levites did.”

    If the troubles in Germany are explored further and in the objective and logical fashion that historians must use to examine events, the first thing to figure out is a chronology.
    Based on the chronology, one begins to hypothesis who set events in motion: causes must come before effects. Based on the chronology, Jewish leaders worked with FDR and Churchill to insist that a war against Germany take place, and that the USA be involved in that war.

    Hitler did not want war.
    In a video in ~2008, Norman Finkelstein said exactly that: Hitler did not want war.

    In a discussion of his book on Nazi propaganda, Jeffrey Herf was asked by (the late) Carla Cohen, then-owner of Politics & Prose books: “Are you saying that if there had been no war there would have been no final solution?”
    Herf answered, “Yes. No war, no final solution.” http://www.c-span.org/video/?192852-1/book-discussion-jewish-enemy-nazi-propaganda

    It’s logical to state: Hitler did not want war; ergo, Hitler did not want a ‘final solution.’
    Jewish leaders did want war. Ergo, Jewish leaders must have wanted, or at very least understood that at some level that a “final solution” would take place.

    Please point out the flaws in the facts or logic.

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  14. Any judge would dismiss arguments like “they made me do it”, “I was led to do it” and so and condemn the physical perpetrator.

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    • Replies: @HdC
    Shooting someone who immediately threatens your life or your family is a well-accepted defense in a court.

    To wit: Britain and France declared war on Germany. The USA waged war (undeclared) on Germany when the USA was officially neutral. The German declaration of war on the USA was merely a formality by then.

    The German invasion of the Soviet Union was a purely defensive action as the Soviets had planned its invasion of all of Europe to commence one month after the German invasion. Read: Icebreaker: Why the Soviet Union Lost WWII. A serious analysis of that meat grinder.

    Yes Germany invaded Poland, for very practical reasons: To stop the murder of German ex-patriates who found themselves in Polish hands after the Diktat of Versailles, and to stop the incessant border incursions by the Poles.

    And just to top things off: Judea Declares War on Germany" screamed the international newspaper headlines in 1933!

    All the foregoing is easily verified by a modicum of internet searches, but is condensed in a book entitled Witness to History.

    And Germany was/is the bad guy??? Riiight.

    HdC

  15. @J
    Any judge would dismiss arguments like "they made me do it", "I was led to do it" and so and condemn the physical perpetrator.

    Shooting someone who immediately threatens your life or your family is a well-accepted defense in a court.

    To wit: Britain and France declared war on Germany. The USA waged war (undeclared) on Germany when the USA was officially neutral. The German declaration of war on the USA was merely a formality by then.

    The German invasion of the Soviet Union was a purely defensive action as the Soviets had planned its invasion of all of Europe to commence one month after the German invasion. Read: Icebreaker: Why the Soviet Union Lost WWII. A serious analysis of that meat grinder.

    Yes Germany invaded Poland, for very practical reasons: To stop the murder of German ex-patriates who found themselves in Polish hands after the Diktat of Versailles, and to stop the incessant border incursions by the Poles.

    And just to top things off: Judea Declares War on Germany” screamed the international newspaper headlines in 1933!

    All the foregoing is easily verified by a modicum of internet searches, but is condensed in a book entitled Witness to History.

    And Germany was/is the bad guy??? Riiight.

    HdC

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Wow, you just bought the whole Nazi propaganda line hook line and sinker, didn't you?

    Let's entertain the notion that the attack on the USSR was "defensive."

    How exactly does this justify shooting unarmed women, children, and the elderly?
  16. @Jim
    The Israelis are caught in this endless nightmare. But the US needn't ever have gotten involved and we wouldn't have if Truman had followed the advice of people like George Marshall and George Kennan rather than the advice of his political operatives.

    Israel was born at a time when one nation was standing tall and at nation was already bought by Zionist.
    UN General Assembly supported the partition in majority vote but there was no UNSC vote or resolution. The vote was not binding
    The votes were bought ,some by bribes,some under duress some under plain threat. There were even threat to lives of some of the UN dignitaries . India was one of those who was threatened.

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  17. @HdC
    Shooting someone who immediately threatens your life or your family is a well-accepted defense in a court.

    To wit: Britain and France declared war on Germany. The USA waged war (undeclared) on Germany when the USA was officially neutral. The German declaration of war on the USA was merely a formality by then.

    The German invasion of the Soviet Union was a purely defensive action as the Soviets had planned its invasion of all of Europe to commence one month after the German invasion. Read: Icebreaker: Why the Soviet Union Lost WWII. A serious analysis of that meat grinder.

    Yes Germany invaded Poland, for very practical reasons: To stop the murder of German ex-patriates who found themselves in Polish hands after the Diktat of Versailles, and to stop the incessant border incursions by the Poles.

    And just to top things off: Judea Declares War on Germany" screamed the international newspaper headlines in 1933!

    All the foregoing is easily verified by a modicum of internet searches, but is condensed in a book entitled Witness to History.

    And Germany was/is the bad guy??? Riiight.

    HdC

    Wow, you just bought the whole Nazi propaganda line hook line and sinker, didn’t you?

    Let’s entertain the notion that the attack on the USSR was “defensive.”

    How exactly does this justify shooting unarmed women, children, and the elderly?

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