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The replacement of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson with CIA Director Mike Pompeo signals a hawkish shift in the administration’s foreign policy that is clearly intended to prepare the country for a confrontation with Russia. Pompeo was not chosen for his diplomatic skills or his nuanced grasp of foreign relations but for his hardline approach to issues like North Korea, the Iran nuclear agreement, and the so-called “Russian threat”. With the nomination of Pompeo, Trump has abandoned his campaign promise to end the foreign interventions and regime change operations, and has instead aligned himself with a small group of arch-neocons who are fully committed to US global domination through the application of hard power.

Not surprisingly, the right-wing Weekly Standard is already celebrating Pompeo’s nomination although his appointment is far from certain. Here’s a short excerpt from an article that TWS published on Wednesday titled “Iran-Deal Critics Praise Pompeo Nomination”:

“The Senate’s top Iran hawks heaped praise on the president’s nomination of CIA director Mike Pompeo to replace Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Tuesday, and critics of the deal on and off Capitol Hill expressed confidence that Pompeo’s presence would place renewed pressure on negotiations to fix the Iran nuclear deal—or nix it…
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“Tillerson and his team really weren’t preparing for the possibility of a world without a flawed Iran nuclear deal,” the staffer continued. “But Pompeo is at least intellectually open to thinking about how does the United States prepare for a world without the Iran deal, and making sure that we prevail in such a world. He will come at the Iran issue with a fresh set of eyes.”…

“For those Europeans (and Americans) who think Trump is not serious about walking away on May 12th if there’s no agreement to fix the Iran nuke deal, I give you Exhibit A: his soon-to-be Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,” said Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.” (The Weekly Standard)

The Iran nukes deal or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as it is known, prevents Iran from building nuclear weapons and enforces the strictest nuclear weapons inspections regime in the history of the IAEA. Even so, it is despised by neocons and right wing Israelis who see it as an obstacle to Tel Aviv’s ambitions for regional hegemony. Now these extremists will have an ally at the State Department who will make every effort to sabotage the agreement in order to achieve their strategic objectives. (For the record, Pompeo has called Iran a “thuggish police state” and promised to “roll back” the nukes deal.)

Pompeo can also be trusted to put the kibosh on the upcoming face-to-face negotiations between Trump and Kim Jong-Un. According to the Washington Post:

“Mike Pompeo has been in sync with President Trump from day one — on North Korea in particular,” said Patrick Cronin, a scholar at the Center for a New American Security. “There has been no doubt that he has been instrumental in shaping the administration’s maximum-pressure-and-engagement strategy.”

Pompeo, like Trump, believes that talking with North Korea is pointless and that the DPRK will only respond to force. He will demand that Kim Jong-Un take verifiable steps towards denuclearization in exchange for nothing, not even minimal security guarantees that the US will not unilaterally attack the North sometime in the future. Pompeo is entirely inflexible on this issue. He recently responded to a question in a televised interview saying: “Make no mistake about it, while these negotiations are going on, there will be no concessions made.” (March 11, 2018) He also added this ominous rejoiner: “We are focused like a laser on achieving (denuclearization). We are equally, at the same time, ensuring that the — if we conclude that it is not possible, that we present the president with a range of options that can achieve what is his stated intention.” (Jan. 23, 2018)

By “range of options”, Pompeo means overwhelming military force which suggests that he will encourage Trump to preemptively bomb (nuke?) the North.

It is already clear that Pompeo will not negotiate the terms of an agreement with the DPRK, Iran, Russia, Syria or anyone else for that matter. His job at State will be inform foreign leaders what Washington expects of them and what the consequences will be if they fail to comply.

There’s also a good chance that Pompeo will be assisted in his duties by former UN ambassador John Bolton who met with Trump last week and may soon replace National Security advisor, HR McMaster. Bolton, who served in the GW Bush administration, is a radical war-hawk who helped to build the case against Saddam Hussein and who at various times in his career supported attacks on both North Korea and Iran. He also supported the partitioning of Syria to create what he dubbed “Sunnistan” in the eastern part of the country. Here’s more on Bolton from an article at VOX:

“Bolton’s history suggests a long and storied history of cherry-picking intelligence to support his preferred hawkish policies…… Bolton drafted a five-page memo detailing his proposal for tearing up the (Iran nuclear) deal, which he then published in National Review………In a 2015 New York Times op-ed, Bolton advocated for a US and/or Israeli airstrike on Iranian nuclear facilities. “Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed,” he wrote. “Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.”…

… And in February 2018, he published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that the US needed to solve the nuclear standoff with North Korea by force….“Pre-emption opponents argue that action is not justified because Pyongyang does not constitute an ‘imminent threat.’ They are wrong,” Bolton wrote. “It is perfectly legitimate for the United States to respond to the current ‘necessity’ posed by North Korea’s nuclear weapons by striking first.” (“John Bolton, the ultrahawk rumored to be Trump’s next national security adviser, explained”, VOX)

Bolton believes that war is the solution to every problem, which is why Trump’s biggest supporters are likely to feel betrayed by his appointment. It’s worth noting, that “candidate Trump” cast himself as an “America First” non-interventionist not a warmongering neocon. Here’s a couple of quotes from Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign that help to illustrate why many voters thought his policies might be dramatically different than Hillary Clinton’s:

TRUMP– “We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past…We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments…. Our goal is stability not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country [the United States]… We will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism …In our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interests wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding, and good will.”

And there’s this: “We’ve spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems—our airports and all the other problems we have—we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now. We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East—we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away—and for what? It’s not like we had victory.

It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the $4 trillion or $5 trillion. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart!” (Donald Trump)

The Pompeo nomination along with the possible replacement of McMaster for Bolton suggests that Trump has been swallowed up by the neocon-riddled foreign policy establishment (The Borg) and is now prepared to do their bidding. In recent days, US Ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley has delivered a number of threats directed at Russia that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Washington is laying the groundwork for a direct confrontation with Russia in the very near future. Here’s an excerpt from one of Haley’s recent hysterical performances at the UN:

“When the international community consistently fails to act, there are times when states are compelled to take their own action…..We warn any nation determined to impose its will through chemical attacks and inhuman suffering, but most especially the outlaw Syrian regime, the United States remains prepared to act if we must. It is not a path we prefer. But it is a path we have demonstrated we will take, and we are prepared to take again.”

Top Russian officials, including Army General Valery Gerasimov, are taking Haley’s threats seriously and are prepared to retaliate if the lives of their military personnel are endangered in any US-led attack.

“In the event of a threat to our military servicemen’s lives, Russia’s armed forces will take retaliatory measures to target both the missiles and their delivery vehicles,” Gerasimov said, according to the state-run Tass Russian News Agency. Gerasimov also said that Russia has hard facts about preparations for a false flag chemical weapons attack that will be followed by a US missile attack on Syrian Army positions in East Ghouta where US-backed jihadists have suffered heavy casualties lately in a major battle where their forces have been splintered into three small cauldrons that are surrounded by Syrian elite Tiger Forces that are rapidly tightening the noose. The jihadist defeat is imminent which is why Washington’s false flag operation should be seen for what it is: A last-ditch effort to assist its proxy-army of Sunni militants in their failed attempt to topple the government of Bashar al Assad. The US is desperate to reverse the course of a conflict that is clearly moving in Russia’s favor.

The situation in Syria is further complicated by British Prime Minister Theresa May’s spurious accusations that Russia was involved in the poisoning of double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia. Not only has May failed to produce a scintilla of hard evidence to verify her claims, she has also refused to provide Russia with samples of the proscribed substance which is required under the Chemical Weapons Convention. Russia needs these samples to acquit itself of the serious charges which May has leveled at them and to challenge her expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats who were declared persona non grata without due process and without any communication with the Russian Foreign Office. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that May is merely following Washington’s diktats as did Tony “The Poodle” Blair in the lead up to the war in Iraq.

In response to May’s claims, the Russian Foreign Ministry has made an official statement which it posted on its website on March 14, 2018. It reads:

“The March 14 statement made by British Prime Minister Theresa May in Parliament on measures to “punish” Russia, under the false pretext of its alleged involvement in the poisoning of Sergey Skripal and his daughter, constitutes an unprecedented, flagrant provocation that undermines the foundations of normal dialogue between our countries.

We believe it is absolutely unacceptable and unworthy of the British Government to seek to further seriously aggravate relations in pursuit of its unseemly political ends, having announced a whole series of hostile measures, including the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats from the country.

Instead of completing its own investigation and using established international formats and instruments, including within the framework of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons – in which we were prepared to cooperate – the British Government opted for confrontation with Russia. Obviously, by investigating this incident in a unilateral, non-transparent way, the British Government is again seeking to launch a groundless anti-Russian campaign.
Needless to say, our response measures will not be long in coming.” (The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation)

The nomination of war-hawk Pompeo, the expulsion of Russian diplomats from the UK, and the tense situation developing in East Ghouta strongly suggests that the Trump administration is preparing to test Putin’s resolve and see if he will defend his Syrian allies (by retaliating against the United States) or whether it’s all just a bluff. In any event, the US is now closer to a shooting war with Russia than any time since the Cuban missile crisis only, this time, we don’t expect cooler heads to prevail. Colonel Patrick Lang, Retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets) who was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism”– summed it up best in a recent post at his excellent website Sic Semper Tyrannis when he said:

“Pompeo’s nomination and his eventual confirmation brings the world closer to a US-Russia war. If that happens it will be difficult if not impossible to keep the war from escalating toward the use of nuclear weapons. Israel wants war, a wrecking war with Iran. Israel wants the US to win that war for Israel. In My Opinion, Israel would be wrecked in such a war whatever the outcome. This is an August, 1914 moment.”

God help us.

 
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  1. Z-man says:

    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

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    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
    If his boss, BiBi, orders him that he should bring in John Bolton in the loop guess what! It’s going to happen!
    , @Twodees Partain
    Mike is right that the appointment of Pompeo to replace Tillerson is a betrayal of Trump's campaign rhetoric, but the betrayal was already signaled when Trump picked Pompeo as DCI. Pompeo is just another John Bolton, though he doesn't openly state his insane intentions as Bolton does.

    From the overall picture of his intentions that Trump seemed to be conveying in his rhetoric during the campaign, someone like Pompeo should have had no place in his administration whatsoever. Trump "signaled betrayal" of what some viewed as campaign promises as soon as he started making appointments.

    Trump dragged in military people for positions that required civilians, a nutjob prosecutor for a position that needed a brilliant legal mind, and blatantly crooked investment bankers for positions that required accomplished regulators. He has been signaling betrayal from the moment he finished reciting his inaugural address.
    , @bluedog
    Well we will know soon enough Bolton wants to attack N. Korea and Iran, while putting American boots on the ground in Syria,and don't act surprised if it happens...
    , @jacques sheete

    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power.
     
    I cringe whenever I read that dirty dolt's name. I thought we were done with that putrid, mephitic skunk. He's worse than Hillary the Hyena and Jackal McStain combined.

    What a f!__&*%$# up country!

    MAGA my tusch. I hope the Izzy first swine are even happier now. Just when ya think it can't get any worse.

    Screw them all!

    , @Reverend Spooner
    If this attack on Syria or Iran happens and Putin does not respond with force and tries diplomatically, stupidly calling them partners and hoping for acceptence, think of it as the end of Russia and a unequivocal victory for America. The only leverage Russia has is to subtly let Israel know whats in store for them and be willing to carry it out. If you don't have dog waggers, this dumb dog will settle down.
    , @Z-man
    Unfortunately it has come true. I can only hope it's a short stay.
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  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

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    No one knows for sure, but the Americans obviously believe that their military is vastly superior. Which means that it is very difficult for the Russians to calibrate their response. It could easily be too weak no matter what (if the Americans are correct and Russian weapons are worthless against their technology), or too strong even by firing just one missile (if that one missile manages to destroy a US carrier or even just any large US vessel).
    , @bluedog
    The Russians will have a field day against our troops made up of queers gays and those dancing off to battle in their red pumps....
    , @Y.L.

    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

     

    You haven't read The Saker's columns on this site? I suggest you do.

    This video by SouthFront does not take into consideration the new weaponry, which you can read about on the front page of Unz, again by an article by The Saker and also Andrei.


    https://southfront.org/conflict-syria-forecasting-escalation-scenario/

    This video was originally released in November, 2016. It depicts the worst-case escalation scenario of the conflict in Syria. However, this analysis remains relevant to this day.

    On March 13, the US threatened to strike Syrian government forces in the Damascus countryside. On March 14, the Russian Defense Ministry said that it will act in response if lives of the Russian servicemen are endangered.
     
    On YouTube, but they frequently attack the channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlWfoOdifOw

    See Andrei's analysis here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
    , @ploni almoni
    The Russian military is a Paper Tiger. The US and the Bundeswehr will be in Moscow by July 17.
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  3. Beckow says:

    This is an August, 1914 moment…God help us.

    Maybe, maybe not. A few differences:
    - War in Syria has already been going on for a few years; in 1914 there was peace in Europe until August.
    - The groups in 2014 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who’s side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).
    - WWI was a land war; what we would get today is an air war. All sides know this, an air war is not really a war, it is massive bombing mostly from some distance. That means there is no need to mobilise and no time to discuss anything.
    - The world economy and financial systems are almost totally virtual and inter-connected. Any start of major hostilities could bring it all down very quickly. Nobody knows what to do then, most people are neither self-sufficient, nor have any actual skills to survive without the virtual superstructure we live in.

    It is different than 1914, and not necessarily better. As in 1914, God will be of no help. He will be too busy blessing the troops and affirming that he is on the right side, right there with ‘freedom’ and ‘human rights’. The most likely outcome is destruction of the more secular parts of Middle East. And a complete collapse of rationality among Western liberal ruling class. But both have been going on for some time, so we might not notice.

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    Umm way to not get the point.
    , @Miro23

    - The groups in 1914 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who’s side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).

    ..... That means there is no need to mobilize and no time to discuss anything.

     

    And no time to think about anything. Nobody's going to ask Turkey, China or Egypt about which side they're on. Who knows? They might even be targets themselves. There are 1000's of extra nukes and maybe having China as the last man standing isn't in the plan.
    , @Phillip O'Reilly
    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?
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  4. Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump’s North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

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    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.
    , @TT
    1&2 are cool down road shows before moving all war assets to ME. NK war is last thing US deep state want to commit suicide, no oil but another devastating China intervention on steroid. SK & Jp Weapons deals done, Thaad is up, massive war games completed, MIC said move on guys, next excursion in ME showdown.

    3. Israel is like sitting on hot plate, seeing the Syria war coming to an end soon means; Iran, Iraq, Lebanon & Syria completing their Crescent. So a Iran war is in urgent, paid by US blood.

    4. Trumps is of course nut, he juz take instructions. Not Bibi who is under Soros impeachment now. They are all front men for the deep states with mantra : Buy in crisis, sell in peace.

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige? MIC make most donation, sure god know his choice.
    , @jacques sheete

    Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!
     
    Bingo.
    , @Wally
    As if Hillary and her Syria no-fly zone would have been better, among many other things.
    , @Walrus rut
    Bolton got shoehorned into the UN to do one job. He did it, of course, because Mossad cutouts blackmailed his ass for CIA. If Bolton had failed, we would all be watching his Plato's Retreat sex tapes on the Youtubes, and you can't unsee that kind of floundering limp-dick shit.

    Bolton's job was to obstruct the drafting of the World Summit Outcome to keep the word 'impunity' out of the rule of law section. He did it by submitting 700 amendments until the word was excised. The CIA regime that runs the USA can't exist otherwise. The US government is a criminal enterprise, as Francis Boyle says, implicated with overwhelming evidence and US official statements against interest. Nothing matters for the US government but getting away with it.

    CIA has impunity in municipal law but the world is not having it. NCS and the top three echelons are provably implicated in universal-jurisdiction crimes against humanity and crimes against peace. The vice is clamping down on the CIA's nuts but Bolton will feel it first.
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  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The slaves argue over the merits of creatures like Bolton, McMaster, Pompeo, Bush, Obama, Trump, etc, when any rational person can see those creatures all work together. Which lies out of the mouth of Trump did the brainwashed masses believe in? Trump = Obama = The Master over the Slaves. Only zombie slaves vote and think change for the better will come. Year after year, decade after decade, things have gotten worse for the American worker and family. Cut n’ paste Whitney is a zombie voter and wants you to see the US with the proper zombie perspective without any funny ideas.

    Only zombies would argue over the merits of celebrity assholes serving in US agencies. None of them give a shit about anything other than pleasing themselves and the real bosses. If elections resulted in real change, we wouldn’t have them. Guess what we do have? War, war forever. Delivered by a fake anti-media and fairy tale blasting idiots like Whitney. The real war has therefore been won – a bunch of fucking zombies believe by electing some billionaire that will bring change for the better.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Rude. But pretty much right.

    To go over the columns and comments at Unz about Mr. Trump starting back in 2015 is saddening. Those of us who pointed out his irreconcilable public statements over the years, seeing him as the next liar packaged to placate people's current anger, and who urged others to stop voting were attacked as agents of Jeb Bush, etc. Linh Dinh even called the Trump win months beforehand, and likewise predicted the sellout we're now seeing in real time. But most of the readership was helping columnists like Ilana Mercer cut out paper dolls for the Trump Cabinet, which included none of those ultimately selected.

    I do think you're too harsh about Mr. Whitney, though. He does a good job pointing out the Establishment lies. And without going back to look, I don't share your sense that he buys into Our Democracy any more than you do.
    , @jacques sheete

    The real war has therefore been won ...
     
    And it happened long ago. For the US the real war, which is the war of bankers and merchants over the rest of us, was won in 1798
    , @ploni almoni
    You have a profound understanding of the political process. Except that when you vote for person in charge you are voting for a figurehead and not a real person who has no power except choosing Lunch from a Menu. What is going on in US is like the Cultural Revolution in China. Different factions which are invisible are fighting for power. One of them wants to eliminate Syria and Iran. At all cost. Or at least, at no cost to them.
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  6. @Z-man
    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

    If his boss, BiBi, orders him that he should bring in John Bolton in the loop guess what! It’s going to happen!

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    • Replies: @renfro
    Its not Bibi that directs Trump--its the casino Jew Sheldon Alderson ...who spent upwards of 90 million on PACs for Trump's election.

    My condolences to all Trump supporters who fell for his spiel and those die hards who kept thinking, hoping Trump was playing some master game of chess instead of just blundering around like a bull in a china shop.

    I didn't vote for the Honking Mule or the Evil Witch....so I disavow all responsibility for this FUBAR.

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  7. Paulv says:

    Why doesn’t CHINA back Russia more in the UN ???

    Russia has to test a nuclear bomb and stream it live in 4k HD to remind the western axis

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I think that the Chinese are playing the long game and know that any hostilities between Russia and the US would leave China in an unassailable position, not to mention the fact that with US manufacturing so depleted the US actually needs China, at least in the short term, more than China needs the US. Besides, they could jump in at any time of their choosing on either side.
    , @Tom Welsh
    China and Russia have a complementary relationship vis a vis the West and its threats. China is by far the bigger and wealthier nation, rapidly becoming the world's largest economy, and expanding through the world by peaceful means. Trade is by far China's preferred way of working, and so far it has done wonders.

    Russia, while having twice the area of China (or the USA or Canada), has only about one-tenth the population. Its wealth, reckoned in financial terms, is also much less. It has vast natural resources, most of which China lacks: oil, gas, and many valuable minerals. It also leads the partnership in military terms. Russia has sold advanced weapon systems to China, and may even be sharing the technology behind them. In terms of defence, the two nations stand back to back.

    In the UNSC it is sufficient for Russia to state its case and (if necessary) exercise its veto. China considers it better to hold back, speak softly and keep its powder dry.
    , @polskijoe
    China is more globalist than Russian in some ways.

    Do you think they got rich without help?

    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.


    China is just getting rich, and who knows what else they plan.

    They are increasing their military spending by billions a year.

    But yet they havent done much to support Russia outside of business.
    , @TT
    Russia by itself is strong enough to speak in UNS. Similarly, Russia never speak out when China is under US harassment like South China Seas SCS.

    These are respectful protocol for big country, not Western disgraceful hysteria shrieking in peck wolves.

    Xi whispered to Putin : "Tell me when you need my support openly, otherwise everything is behind door."
    Putin :"Thanks buddy. S400 & 500 are on schedule for your AD/A2. You need some hypersonic missiles & SU-54?".
    Xi :"Why not, love to scare the shits out of Uncle Scam."

    Syria SAA received much weapons under so called old purchasing agreement from China, tacit support to Russia. Huge energy & projects deal signed, lot of upfront cash for Russia economy against sanction & Syria war expenses. Russia will/must prevail with China full backing, when either one fall, they are next.
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  8. Paulv says:
    @Beckow

    This is an August, 1914 moment...God help us.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. A few differences:
    - War in Syria has already been going on for a few years; in 1914 there was peace in Europe until August.
    - The groups in 2014 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who's side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).
    - WWI was a land war; what we would get today is an air war. All sides know this, an air war is not really a war, it is massive bombing mostly from some distance. That means there is no need to mobilise and no time to discuss anything.
    - The world economy and financial systems are almost totally virtual and inter-connected. Any start of major hostilities could bring it all down very quickly. Nobody knows what to do then, most people are neither self-sufficient, nor have any actual skills to survive without the virtual superstructure we live in.

    It is different than 1914, and not necessarily better. As in 1914, God will be of no help. He will be too busy blessing the troops and affirming that he is on the right side, right there with 'freedom' and 'human rights'. The most likely outcome is destruction of the more secular parts of Middle East. And a complete collapse of rationality among Western liberal ruling class. But both have been going on for some time, so we might not notice.

    Umm way to not get the point.

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  9. @Paulv
    Why doesn't CHINA back Russia more in the UN ???

    Russia has to test a nuclear bomb and stream it live in 4k HD to remind the western axis

    I think that the Chinese are playing the long game and know that any hostilities between Russia and the US would leave China in an unassailable position, not to mention the fact that with US manufacturing so depleted the US actually needs China, at least in the short term, more than China needs the US. Besides, they could jump in at any time of their choosing on either side.

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    All wrong. China's biggest trade partner is the EU. Not the US
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  10. utu says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump's North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

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  11. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Israeli press I’ve read seem pleased with the changes.

    Pompeo is notable for his hawkish line on Iran, both as CIA Director and, prior to that, as a Member of Congress. He has warned that the Iran nuclear deal was failing, and has compared Iran to ISIS. He has also said that nuclear cooperation between Iran and North Korea was “a real risk” to the United States. Haaretz

    The Iran deal should remain in place. Everyone will be engaged this time to stop the Neocons –represented by the Weekly Standard’s opinions– from another foreign policy debacle. If Netanyahu wants to attack Iran he’s going to have to do it on his own.

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  12. renfro says:
    @Monty Ahwazi
    If his boss, BiBi, orders him that he should bring in John Bolton in the loop guess what! It’s going to happen!

    Its not Bibi that directs Trump–its the casino Jew Sheldon Alderson …who spent upwards of 90 million on PACs for Trump’s election.

    My condolences to all Trump supporters who fell for his spiel and those die hards who kept thinking, hoping Trump was playing some master game of chess instead of just blundering around like a bull in a china shop.

    I didn’t vote for the Honking Mule or the Evil Witch….so I disavow all responsibility for this FUBAR.

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    "I didn’t vote for the Honking Mule or the Evil Witch….so I disavow all responsibility for this FUBAR."

    But....your single vote could have defeated them both. Don't you even get it?
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  13. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    This is an August, 1914 moment...God help us.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. A few differences:
    - War in Syria has already been going on for a few years; in 1914 there was peace in Europe until August.
    - The groups in 2014 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who's side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).
    - WWI was a land war; what we would get today is an air war. All sides know this, an air war is not really a war, it is massive bombing mostly from some distance. That means there is no need to mobilise and no time to discuss anything.
    - The world economy and financial systems are almost totally virtual and inter-connected. Any start of major hostilities could bring it all down very quickly. Nobody knows what to do then, most people are neither self-sufficient, nor have any actual skills to survive without the virtual superstructure we live in.

    It is different than 1914, and not necessarily better. As in 1914, God will be of no help. He will be too busy blessing the troops and affirming that he is on the right side, right there with 'freedom' and 'human rights'. The most likely outcome is destruction of the more secular parts of Middle East. And a complete collapse of rationality among Western liberal ruling class. But both have been going on for some time, so we might not notice.

    - The groups in 1914 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who’s side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).

    ….. That means there is no need to mobilize and no time to discuss anything.

    And no time to think about anything. Nobody’s going to ask Turkey, China or Egypt about which side they’re on. Who knows? They might even be targets themselves. There are 1000′s of extra nukes and maybe having China as the last man standing isn’t in the plan.

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  14. @Z-man
    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

    Mike is right that the appointment of Pompeo to replace Tillerson is a betrayal of Trump’s campaign rhetoric, but the betrayal was already signaled when Trump picked Pompeo as DCI. Pompeo is just another John Bolton, though he doesn’t openly state his insane intentions as Bolton does.

    From the overall picture of his intentions that Trump seemed to be conveying in his rhetoric during the campaign, someone like Pompeo should have had no place in his administration whatsoever. Trump “signaled betrayal” of what some viewed as campaign promises as soon as he started making appointments.

    Trump dragged in military people for positions that required civilians, a nutjob prosecutor for a position that needed a brilliant legal mind, and blatantly crooked investment bankers for positions that required accomplished regulators. He has been signaling betrayal from the moment he finished reciting his inaugural address.

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  15. @anon
    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

    No one knows for sure, but the Americans obviously believe that their military is vastly superior. Which means that it is very difficult for the Russians to calibrate their response. It could easily be too weak no matter what (if the Americans are correct and Russian weapons are worthless against their technology), or too strong even by firing just one missile (if that one missile manages to destroy a US carrier or even just any large US vessel).

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    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how. But, who knows, all sense has flown out the window...
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  16. Vojkan says:

    The US is playing a game of chicken. If it backs down, it loses face, which means about everything since the only thing holding the Anglo-Zionist empire is its façade. The problem is Russia can’t afford to back down either, if she backs down, she signs her death sentence.
    On the plus side, we may be living the last days of the Anglo-Zionist empire that has inflicted so much evil to the world in the last ~150 years.
    On the minus side, we may be living the last days of the reign of mammals on Earth.

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    Inflicting so much evil on the world for so long can only come from an authentic Evil Empire. The US has labeled the former Soviet Union as such and it was an MSM norm. Then came George W. Bush's Axis of Evil, yet another MSM norm. Yet my post was deleted here because I called the US for what it is, the Evil Empire. I still cannot think of a country or countries (along with Zionist Israel) that better fit that definition.
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  17. Indeed, the GB May show about the attempted murders in GB on Russians can be seen as Sept 11, making the European, May be too USA people, ready for war.

    China, I suppose it sees no reason to implicate itself right now in the west against Russia conflict.
    China can do this at any moment.
    The huge China dollar assets can be a complicating factor, on the one hand not giving the USA a pretext for blocking there accounts, on the other hand a war will make the dollar worthless.
    The petroyuang, to be introduced on the 26th of this month, it is asserted, will cause enough USA animosity against China already.

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  18. Russia has to be more forceful in replying to the yahoo’s in Washington and London. I mean send a few cruise missles their way that is if the russians really have quality missles and not some bs that the russians seem to excel in.

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  19. God Bless Mr. Putin who explained to the BEAST that WW2 was the LAST to be fought on Mother Russia’s Lands.
    In Кинжал We Trust!

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    Ihope too. Putin never lies and he is respecting his word. But it is tragic to think that all,everything that humans built, will be destroyed by a group of satanic people and their Frankesteins....What a normal person can do against these agents of destruction? If you dont stop them,they will continue their enslaving of humanity - and if you answer them with violence, they welcome it and double it? Where it will stop? What is the solution, how to negotiate with lunatics?
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  20. @Beckow

    This is an August, 1914 moment...God help us.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. A few differences:
    - War in Syria has already been going on for a few years; in 1914 there was peace in Europe until August.
    - The groups in 2014 were well defined: Central Powers vs. Entente. Today it is not clear who is who, there are more than two main sides (who's side is Turkey, China or Egypt on?).
    - WWI was a land war; what we would get today is an air war. All sides know this, an air war is not really a war, it is massive bombing mostly from some distance. That means there is no need to mobilise and no time to discuss anything.
    - The world economy and financial systems are almost totally virtual and inter-connected. Any start of major hostilities could bring it all down very quickly. Nobody knows what to do then, most people are neither self-sufficient, nor have any actual skills to survive without the virtual superstructure we live in.

    It is different than 1914, and not necessarily better. As in 1914, God will be of no help. He will be too busy blessing the troops and affirming that he is on the right side, right there with 'freedom' and 'human rights'. The most likely outcome is destruction of the more secular parts of Middle East. And a complete collapse of rationality among Western liberal ruling class. But both have been going on for some time, so we might not notice.

    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?

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    The supposed "rhyme" doesn't exist in this situation. WW1 was precipitated by Russia's support of Serbia against Austria-Hungary's threats. The balance of power was so lopsided that Serbia didn't stand a chance. Russia had assumed the mantle of protector of other Eastern Orthodox countries, and so the alliances came into play that drug Germany, France and the UK into the war.

    In this case, this is simply a mouse roaring. If there is a country weaker than Russia, it's the UK. I seriously doubt there is much that May can do that would be a serious threat to Putin's regime, and he will brush it off like anyone would brush of a mosquito.
    , @jacques sheete

    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians
     
    Oh, bullshit.

    It was in the making looong before that and many knew it and expressed it at the time. One could even rationally trace its origins back to Napoleon's antics.

    The arms buildup of the revanchist French Empire and the militant Russian Empire and its Pan-Slav goals, plus Serb passions for empire, along with the backing of the bloody Brit one ( extremely neat trick that), were much more of a "beginning" than Sarajevo, which was nothing special. There were many more, and more serious, provocations to a shooting war than that, e.g. the Moroccan crises, and the Brit assaults on the Boers.

    It would make much more sense to say that WW1 began with the Brit empire and its goal of worldwide commercial supremacy if not monopoly, but it would still be only one part of the picture.

    Good grief.
    , @Beckow

    bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time
     
    Some of it sounds familiar, but not all. I was pointing out that there are major differences between today and 1914, but it is extremely volatile and dangerous like then.

    At least some in the West have made a decision to deal with Russia now before it gets stronger. Or to create a much better 'defensive' perimeter for the future. Ukraine, Baltics and probably Georgia, maybe Turkey have been lined up on Russia's border, with Nato bases and soldiers. There was the failed attempt to push Russia out of its key Navy base in Crimea. Syria war will go on to bleed and demoralise Russia, maybe in a few other places. Squeeze the economy by financial isolation. Use media demonisation to create pressure on the Westernised Russian elites.

    Will that start a war like in 1914? That's where the differences come in. Russia cannot be today described as 'bellicose', and neither can large parts of the West. Only some in the West are bellicose. Germany, Italy and to some extent France want to continue or even increase business with Russia.

    There is also no such thing as a traditional war between Russia and the West - it would be over in 1-2 days (if that), basically a suicide. It could still happen, but we need more events before we get there.

    , @El Dato
    Reposting because of the strong relevance:

    https://youtu.be/FTupV8o3mW4?t=1977

    "Approaching 1914, Europe is on a hair-trigger"
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  21. Tom Welsh says:
    @Paulv
    Why doesn't CHINA back Russia more in the UN ???

    Russia has to test a nuclear bomb and stream it live in 4k HD to remind the western axis

    China and Russia have a complementary relationship vis a vis the West and its threats. China is by far the bigger and wealthier nation, rapidly becoming the world’s largest economy, and expanding through the world by peaceful means. Trade is by far China’s preferred way of working, and so far it has done wonders.

    Russia, while having twice the area of China (or the USA or Canada), has only about one-tenth the population. Its wealth, reckoned in financial terms, is also much less. It has vast natural resources, most of which China lacks: oil, gas, and many valuable minerals. It also leads the partnership in military terms. Russia has sold advanced weapon systems to China, and may even be sharing the technology behind them. In terms of defence, the two nations stand back to back.

    In the UNSC it is sufficient for Russia to state its case and (if necessary) exercise its veto. China considers it better to hold back, speak softly and keep its powder dry.

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    [Russia] has vast natural resources, most of which China lacks: oil, gas, and many valuable minerals.
     
    Correct.

    You no doubt also realize that China today shares much with the Germany of a century ago in that they are relatively resource poor, hard working, industrious people rising more through economic means than military ones. Germany, prior to WW1, had, except for a few minor colonial misadventures, kept its sword sheathed for 45 years, and its military buildup and spending paled in comparison to that of the Triple Entente, yet was trashed as a warmongering state.

    A major goal of the militarist nutcases is to keep Russia and China from linking up just as the goal was to keep Germany and Russia from linking up a century ago.

    That's pretty much the big reason Putin is being demonized just as Hitler was.

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  22. the march towards war FORCES the washington political establishment that have zero actual military experience and the real warriors running the pentagon into an uncomfortable situation.

    the actual warriors in the usa have clearly told the inexperienced politicial decision makers that if war comes the usa military WILL be significantly hurt by a russian response well short of going nuclear.

    this public damage complete with flaming planes and sunk ships with an oil slick visible on youtube or vimeo or news org not controlled by washington but viewable by western citizens will FOREVER peel away the aura of american invincibility and power.

    this new reality will be un-spin-able in the press. the resulting new awareness will have unknown and possibly disastrous consequences for the american empire going forward.

    if washingtons reply to this disaster of their own making is a nuclear launch then none of it will matter because the great majority of us will be dead or dying and the american empire will cease to exist and by extension israel.

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    The actual warriors in the USA have clearly told the inexperienced political decision makers that if war comes the USA military WILL be significantly hurt by a Russian response well short of going nuclear.
     
    And hurt much worse if it does go nuclear. The best option would be for the US military to NOT start arming nuclear warheads, but rather pay some large scale visits to Washington and New York, and start arresting and questioning the Neo-cons (first topic of interest, involvement with the fakery of WMD and 9/11).

    That would put things on hold, and save the US and the world a whole lot of trouble. And it wouldn't be anti-democratic either, since it would be in line with the "No more wars" that public voted for.
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  23. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The slaves argue over the merits of creatures like Bolton, McMaster, Pompeo, Bush, Obama, Trump, etc, when any rational person can see those creatures all work together. Which lies out of the mouth of Trump did the brainwashed masses believe in? Trump = Obama = The Master over the Slaves. Only zombie slaves vote and think change for the better will come. Year after year, decade after decade, things have gotten worse for the American worker and family. Cut n' paste Whitney is a zombie voter and wants you to see the US with the proper zombie perspective without any funny ideas.

    Only zombies would argue over the merits of celebrity assholes serving in US agencies. None of them give a shit about anything other than pleasing themselves and the real bosses. If elections resulted in real change, we wouldn't have them. Guess what we do have? War, war forever. Delivered by a fake anti-media and fairy tale blasting idiots like Whitney. The real war has therefore been won - a bunch of fucking zombies believe by electing some billionaire that will bring change for the better.

    Rude. But pretty much right.

    To go over the columns and comments at Unz about Mr. Trump starting back in 2015 is saddening. Those of us who pointed out his irreconcilable public statements over the years, seeing him as the next liar packaged to placate people’s current anger, and who urged others to stop voting were attacked as agents of Jeb Bush, etc. Linh Dinh even called the Trump win months beforehand, and likewise predicted the sellout we’re now seeing in real time. But most of the readership was helping columnists like Ilana Mercer cut out paper dolls for the Trump Cabinet, which included none of those ultimately selected.

    I do think you’re too harsh about Mr. Whitney, though. He does a good job pointing out the Establishment lies. And without going back to look, I don’t share your sense that he buys into Our Democracy any more than you do.

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    So we have a 'debate' between two 'anonymouses'...

    How hard is it to put up some kind of handle here before posting...?

    I for one skip reading 'anonymous posts from here on in...I hope others follow suit...
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  24. Good grief! Did you ever think you’d look to Dick Cheney as a much needed voice of reason?

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  25. yurivku says:

    God help us.

    Why should he? Help nation of LGBTQ, warmongers, etc…
    No, only ourselves can help and as for Russia’s side it’s seems to kill as many mad dogs as possible is the only help available.
    Any other proposals?

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    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

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  26. mp says:

    Not surprisingly, the right-wing Weekly Standard is already celebrating… Here’s a short excerpt from an article…

    “Not surprisingly, the Jewish Neocon Weekly Standard is already celebrating… Here’s a short excerpt written by Jenna Lifhits, one of their Jewish staff propagandists…”

    There, I fixed it for you. These Jews will not sleep until we are in the next nuclear war. Only then will they be satisfied. I think their idea is to buy all the ruins at a discount, and then charge whomever is still alive a hefty rent.

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  27. Does nobody in the USA follow May’s war rhetoric ?
    Today on BBC it was terrible.
    There is one positive point, Corbyn states that Russian guilt has not been proven.

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.

    Where I see reactions, except in heavily censored Dutch sites, nobody believen the May fairy tales.
    What May’s motive is, one can only guess.
    A possibility is that Brussel asked her to perform this show, as a country outside the EU, in return for some advantage in the EU GB negotiations.

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson’s war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?

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    What May’s motive is, one can only guess.

    Um...nuclear war? Could that be it? Mrs. May can't even keep the girls in her country free from Moslem rape gangs. Nor, apparently, does she care. Her capital city is run by a Moslem who shows up to America and argues against the First Amendment. But she's ready to go to war with Russia? Well...all that makes perfect sense... to the Jewish Neocons at The Weekly Standard.

    , @yurivku

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson’s war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?
     
    "To be or not to be that's is the question". Seems they know the answer.
    But they have an excuse - they are imbesiles. What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, - they haven't.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.
     
    They're the same worthless media that never asked what would have motivated the Syrian government to use poison gas in East Ghouta on the very day that the UN weapons inspection team arrived, only ten blocks from their hotel!
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  28. bluedog says:
    @Z-man
    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

    Well we will know soon enough Bolton wants to attack N. Korea and Iran, while putting American boots on the ground in Syria,and don’t act surprised if it happens…

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  29. bluedog says:
    @anon
    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

    The Russians will have a field day against our troops made up of queers gays and those dancing off to battle in their red pumps….

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    I'm thinking the Skripal gambit, is seeking to 'legitamise' the use of CWs'; genre, "they did it to us we can do it back to them". We don't know what 'allied' have in their missile warheads but we know they have a string of dedicated sites in E. Europe,and I wonder why? I would hope it is not so but who trusts these people anymore. P.s., I am a retired manual worker, that's all, and I would like to clear this query out of my head.
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  30. mp says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Does nobody in the USA follow May's war rhetoric ?
    Today on BBC it was terrible.
    There is one positive point, Corbyn states that Russian guilt has not been proven.

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.

    Where I see reactions, except in heavily censored Dutch sites, nobody believen the May fairy tales.
    What May's motive is, one can only guess.
    A possibility is that Brussel asked her to perform this show, as a country outside the EU, in return for some advantage in the EU GB negotiations.

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson's war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?

    What May’s motive is, one can only guess.

    Um…nuclear war? Could that be it? Mrs. May can’t even keep the girls in her country free from Moslem rape gangs. Nor, apparently, does she care. Her capital city is run by a Moslem who shows up to America and argues against the First Amendment. But she’s ready to go to war with Russia? Well…all that makes perfect sense… to the Jewish Neocons at The Weekly Standard.

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    Peace in this world is being royally fcuked by the white race, and for you racist scum it is all about the "Moslem" bogeyman.

    Keep at it, it's ok, and I pray the One wills that it is degenerates like you who pay the highest price for your satanic evil... kind of like the world wars, I suppose.

    *spit*

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  31. alley cat says:

    God help us.

    Mike invokes supernatural help for humanity as a way of emphasizing the desperateness of the circumstances, which are obviously man-made and not divine in origin. He is, I guess, reminding us that there will be no divine intervention to save mankind… err… ahem… “peoplekind” (in Trudeauspeak) from its own folly. Even a cursory knowledge of human history tells us we’re on our own on this rock cast adrift in an impersonal universe, and there will be no last minute miracle to prevent us from blowing it up.

    Humanity is a tabula rasa at birth, neither inherently wicked nor good. Each individual, within his own sociological and biological limitations, decides how to respond to the predicament of life. Only a small minority opt for suicide.

    But collectively, it’s a different story, isn’t it? History teaches us that otherwise responsible and sane individuals often suppress their civilized inhibitions when part of a group. Groupthink takes over, and groupthink is often hysterical, insane, self-destructive. In a word: suicidal.

    That’s what’s happening in the United States and Britain right now. It didn’t matter much when tribes fought each other with sticks and stones, but now nuclear apocalypse is at hand, and humanity’s collective behavior hasn’t kept pace with the threat posed by mach 10 missiles and 10 megaton warheads.

    Who will save us from our inner neocons?

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  32. @Phillip O'Reilly
    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?

    The supposed “rhyme” doesn’t exist in this situation. WW1 was precipitated by Russia’s support of Serbia against Austria-Hungary’s threats. The balance of power was so lopsided that Serbia didn’t stand a chance. Russia had assumed the mantle of protector of other Eastern Orthodox countries, and so the alliances came into play that drug Germany, France and the UK into the war.

    In this case, this is simply a mouse roaring. If there is a country weaker than Russia, it’s the UK. I seriously doubt there is much that May can do that would be a serious threat to Putin’s regime, and he will brush it off like anyone would brush of a mosquito.

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    That is the fake version. In reality, the AngloZionists were trying to start a war with Germany for decades before that. They made an ally out of Russia - against the wishes of the populace - and made an enemy of Germany - against the wishes of the populace.

    Belgium was not a neutral country - the British had planned how to move their army there with the cooperation of the Belgians.

    Germany- like Russia today - was not beligerant. After the war, the archives of the German Foreign ministry were moved to the USA to be never seen again.

    Read

    "Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War"

    http://amzn.com/1780576307
    , @ploni almoni
    The Voice of Reason! Definitely a genius!
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  33. Miro23 says:
    @paraglider
    the march towards war FORCES the washington political establishment that have zero actual military experience and the real warriors running the pentagon into an uncomfortable situation.

    the actual warriors in the usa have clearly told the inexperienced politicial decision makers that if war comes the usa military WILL be significantly hurt by a russian response well short of going nuclear.

    this public damage complete with flaming planes and sunk ships with an oil slick visible on youtube or vimeo or news org not controlled by washington but viewable by western citizens will FOREVER peel away the aura of american invincibility and power.

    this new reality will be un-spin-able in the press. the resulting new awareness will have unknown and possibly disastrous consequences for the american empire going forward.

    if washingtons reply to this disaster of their own making is a nuclear launch then none of it will matter because the great majority of us will be dead or dying and the american empire will cease to exist and by extension israel.

    The actual warriors in the USA have clearly told the inexperienced political decision makers that if war comes the USA military WILL be significantly hurt by a Russian response well short of going nuclear.

    And hurt much worse if it does go nuclear. The best option would be for the US military to NOT start arming nuclear warheads, but rather pay some large scale visits to Washington and New York, and start arresting and questioning the Neo-cons (first topic of interest, involvement with the fakery of WMD and 9/11).

    That would put things on hold, and save the US and the world a whole lot of trouble. And it wouldn’t be anti-democratic either, since it would be in line with the “No more wars” that public voted for.

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    My thinking, exactly. For that to happen, though, we would need an executive who had an original thought now and then and an AG who wasn't afraid of being tarred with his own brush once the indictments started to be handed down.

    DC is a target rich environment for the DOJ, if we ever have a DOJ worthy of the name.
    , @Miro23
    And how do US army officers interpret their Oath of Service?

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
     
    It's not an oath to defend the Patriot Act, NSA spying, God rejectionists, and the Neocon WMD and 9/11 fabricators who're in fact destroying the Constitution.
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  34. yurivku says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Does nobody in the USA follow May's war rhetoric ?
    Today on BBC it was terrible.
    There is one positive point, Corbyn states that Russian guilt has not been proven.

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.

    Where I see reactions, except in heavily censored Dutch sites, nobody believen the May fairy tales.
    What May's motive is, one can only guess.
    A possibility is that Brussel asked her to perform this show, as a country outside the EU, in return for some advantage in the EU GB negotiations.

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson's war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson’s war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?

    “To be or not to be that’s is the question”. Seems they know the answer.
    But they have an excuse – they are imbesiles. What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, – they haven’t.

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    What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, – they haven’t
     
    Seems that you didn't get the memo?

    1) 'Western-style' democracy *does not work*, proof = Trump + Obama + Bush + Clinton + ... Wilson, etc.,

    2) intelligent protest *does not work*, proof = Occupy Wall St. etc.,

    3) the great unwashed = proles are a) watching TV or when not b) on their 'smart' phones and/or social media and c) in any case, 101% Bernays hazed - they hardly know what day of the week it is = *NO* revolution possible, and besides, the CCC [= covert criminal cabal] control the militarised police plus the military itself - remember Kent State!

    And to all those 'putting their faith in the Lord' forget it - there is no god, as Hawking [RIP] says. My tip: *Remove the burr from under the saddle*, aka expel and permanently banish the psychopathic-parasites to some safely remote, isolated enclave. rgds

    , @TT
    Yuri, forget to ask you, who will you vote now after Putin's latest weapons & warning speech?

    Filled with pride & thrills now huh, if Putin will to fire a few hypersonics on those thresh in Syria to frighten Uncle Scam will make your day.

    Kill a chicken to frighten the monkey. Hehehehe
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  35. Y.L. says:
    @anon
    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

    You haven’t read The Saker’s columns on this site? I suggest you do.

    This video by SouthFront does not take into consideration the new weaponry, which you can read about on the front page of Unz, again by an article by The Saker and also Andrei.

    https://southfront.org/conflict-syria-forecasting-escalation-scenario/

    This video was originally released in November, 2016. It depicts the worst-case escalation scenario of the conflict in Syria. However, this analysis remains relevant to this day.

    On March 13, the US threatened to strike Syrian government forces in the Damascus countryside. On March 14, the Russian Defense Ministry said that it will act in response if lives of the Russian servicemen are endangered.

    On YouTube, but they frequently attack the channel:

    See Andrei’s analysis here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/

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    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront...

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria...probably by means of social media...ie SAA...opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories...such as when taking a town or village...

    This is Southfront's capability...

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called 'analysts' that have absolutely zero credibility...and nothing to do with reality...

    This video is an example of pure phantasmagoria...

    The premise is that US forces would attack the formidable Russian integrated air defense system [IADS] in Syria with a massive cruise missile salvo from standoff range...

    This is kindergarten level drivel...for the simple reason that cruise missiles are 100 percent ineffective against mobile targets...

    ...which is what all Russian SAMs in Syria are...Pantsir, Buk, S300/400 and all their radars are completely mobile...and can hide anywhere...

    ...as I have discussed at length on Martyanov's thread...

    ...you could fire 10,000 cruise missiles at Syria [which is three times as many as the total US inventory]...and not hit one single piece of Russian mobile SAM equipment...

    An attack against the Russian A2/AD zone in Syria [effectively a no-fly zone...anti-access, area denial] could only be accomplished by means of a combat aviation operation known as SEAD...which stands for suppression of enemy air defenses...

    SEAD capability has not kept up with IADS and there are physics-bassed reason for that...so we have a situation where today's Russian A2/AD zones are the equivalent of the impregnable fortress of medieval times...

    This is acknowledged in top US and Nato circles...and even expressed publicly from time to time...such as recent comments by USAF Gen, Phillip Breedlove...former EUROCOM commander...

    This kind of stuff from Southfront and many others is amateur hour...

    As for the rest of the story...there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US...

    Neither Pompeo nor Bolton nor anyone else changes the basic equation that these are just nuts that are too tough to crack...

    Blowing hot air is one thing...actually being able to beat somebody up is quite another...

    Just days ago Russia's top intel chiefs met with Pompeo in Washington...

    Pompeo changes nothing...he may in fact be more competent than Tillerson...in whom I initially placed a lot of confidence but who turned out to be way to small to fill the big shoes needed for this position...
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  36. Joe Hide says:

    It’s an inaccurate distraction for the un-awake.
    The actual reality is that a monster wasn’t elected president in 2017 despite widespread election fraud, there’s no world war 3, the Syrian War is winding down and ISIS is crushed, the Saudi’s have suppressed their elitist war mongering psychopath royals, North Korea is talking peace, the Ukrainian war is gradually winding down, 1000′s of pedophiles, deviates, and traitors have been arrested/marginalized/ neutralized last year. Should I go on?

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    "1000′s of pedophiles, deviates, and traitors have been arrested/marginalized/ neutralized last year. Should I go on?"

    Yes, name 10 of the pedophile/deviant/traitors that have been arrested. Out of "1000`s" of them, at least 10 would be enough arrested to be included in your claim.
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  37. Trump is a puppet of Israel and the Zionist dual citizens who control every facet of the U.S. government and these Zionists and Israel control the deep state and were the ones who did 911 and created ISIS aka AL CIADA and created the wars in the Mideast in which Americans fought and died for ISRAEL.

    Russia will stand with Syria and Iran and an attack on Syria with nuclear weapons will be met with a nuclear response by Russia and the neocons will have the war with Russia that they have wanted to perpetrate. The Zionist neocons hate Russia because they are standing for Christianity with Syria and the Zionists can not invade and destroy Russia like the neocons have done in the Mideast.

    The U.S. gov is ran by Zionist war criminals and crooks who should be on trial for their war crimes and civil crimes and not be involved in plunging America into WWIII.

    God bless Putin and Russia and Assad and Syria, as Jesus said, blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the children of God.

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    The Skripal affair.
    The zionized US had send an order to the zionized UK and the poodling Mrs. May obliged. She went into hysterical mode and a chorus of the easy-virtue parliamentarians rushed to join Mrs. May. She issued a mad battle cry against Russia. No facts are involved. The UK does not do facts (see "Sir" Saville affair). Gavin Williamson -- a spectacular ignoramus in everything but in selling the ceramic countertops and fireplaces -- who leads today the UK Defence (no military experience required, of course) decided to show himself a big man and squealed out something so ridiculous that even the UK press has noticed as cute and inappropriate.
    Here is what we need to know about very bad Russians that are allegedly poisoning people in the UK: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    "The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the 'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him about the recent incident: Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.
    "Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy." The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon. "Russia did it", says Mirzanyanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".
    One more time, "Russia did it", says Mirzanyanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".
    Could it be the CIA that read the book and then awarded the poor Tatar man with a $1 million home in the United States?
    And how come that we hear nothing about Paul Klebnikov, Michael Hastings, and Seth Rich but hear a lot about these four scoundrels? -- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-14/fatal-quad-who-assassinating-mi6-assets-british-soil
    "Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Serezovsky, Chechen leader Ahmed Zakaev, and the hired-gun writer Yury Felshtinsky celebrating Berezovsky’s 60th birthday in London, Jan 2006."
    PS: If the UK secret services want to talk history, here is a history for them:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550472/Police-cover-Saviles-claims-friends-Queens-cousin-Paedophile-claimed-visited-school-Princess-Alexandra.html
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/thwarted-savile-whistleblower-write-book-9774952
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  38. @renfro
    Its not Bibi that directs Trump--its the casino Jew Sheldon Alderson ...who spent upwards of 90 million on PACs for Trump's election.

    My condolences to all Trump supporters who fell for his spiel and those die hards who kept thinking, hoping Trump was playing some master game of chess instead of just blundering around like a bull in a china shop.

    I didn't vote for the Honking Mule or the Evil Witch....so I disavow all responsibility for this FUBAR.

    “I didn’t vote for the Honking Mule or the Evil Witch….so I disavow all responsibility for this FUBAR.”

    But….your single vote could have defeated them both. Don’t you even get it?

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  39. @Miro23

    The actual warriors in the USA have clearly told the inexperienced political decision makers that if war comes the USA military WILL be significantly hurt by a Russian response well short of going nuclear.
     
    And hurt much worse if it does go nuclear. The best option would be for the US military to NOT start arming nuclear warheads, but rather pay some large scale visits to Washington and New York, and start arresting and questioning the Neo-cons (first topic of interest, involvement with the fakery of WMD and 9/11).

    That would put things on hold, and save the US and the world a whole lot of trouble. And it wouldn't be anti-democratic either, since it would be in line with the "No more wars" that public voted for.

    My thinking, exactly. For that to happen, though, we would need an executive who had an original thought now and then and an AG who wasn’t afraid of being tarred with his own brush once the indictments started to be handed down.

    DC is a target rich environment for the DOJ, if we ever have a DOJ worthy of the name.

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  40. @Joe Hide
    It's an inaccurate distraction for the un-awake.
    The actual reality is that a monster wasn't elected president in 2017 despite widespread election fraud, there's no world war 3, the Syrian War is winding down and ISIS is crushed, the Saudi's have suppressed their elitist war mongering psychopath royals, North Korea is talking peace, the Ukrainian war is gradually winding down, 1000's of pedophiles, deviates, and traitors have been arrested/marginalized/ neutralized last year. Should I go on?

    “1000′s of pedophiles, deviates, and traitors have been arrested/marginalized/ neutralized last year. Should I go on?”

    Yes, name 10 of the pedophile/deviant/traitors that have been arrested. Out of “1000`s” of them, at least 10 would be enough arrested to be included in your claim.

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  41. End the Fed scam. Jail the bankers and the traitors.
    As long as the devil has a blank check, expect bad behavior.
    9/11: Israel/MIC/CIA dun it. Arrest them too.

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  42. Miro23 says:
    @Miro23

    The actual warriors in the USA have clearly told the inexperienced political decision makers that if war comes the USA military WILL be significantly hurt by a Russian response well short of going nuclear.
     
    And hurt much worse if it does go nuclear. The best option would be for the US military to NOT start arming nuclear warheads, but rather pay some large scale visits to Washington and New York, and start arresting and questioning the Neo-cons (first topic of interest, involvement with the fakery of WMD and 9/11).

    That would put things on hold, and save the US and the world a whole lot of trouble. And it wouldn't be anti-democratic either, since it would be in line with the "No more wars" that public voted for.

    And how do US army officers interpret their Oath of Service?

    “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

    It’s not an oath to defend the Patriot Act, NSA spying, God rejectionists, and the Neocon WMD and 9/11 fabricators who’re in fact destroying the Constitution.

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  43. Tom Gregg says:
    @reiner Tor
    No one knows for sure, but the Americans obviously believe that their military is vastly superior. Which means that it is very difficult for the Russians to calibrate their response. It could easily be too weak no matter what (if the Americans are correct and Russian weapons are worthless against their technology), or too strong even by firing just one missile (if that one missile manages to destroy a US carrier or even just any large US vessel).

    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how. But, who knows, all sense has flown out the window…

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    That would make no sense at all. You boys need to just stay out of our business.
    , @yurivku

    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how
     
    You certainly a genius.
    Option 1: Putin respond and sink down couple of US ships and dozen of jets. What gonna be your next step?
    Option 2: Putin would'n respond. Yanks try a big attack. Please continue your scenario...
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  44. polskijoe says:
    @Paulv
    Why doesn't CHINA back Russia more in the UN ???

    Russia has to test a nuclear bomb and stream it live in 4k HD to remind the western axis

    China is more globalist than Russian in some ways.

    Do you think they got rich without help?

    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.

    China is just getting rich, and who knows what else they plan.

    They are increasing their military spending by billions a year.

    But yet they havent done much to support Russia outside of business.

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    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.
     
    Good point. Here's more.:

    Since 1895...Russia...learned to make a fairly decent product; more dangerous, she had learned to market. She first appeared in Europe in 1885. It took ten years to make her a formidable rival, but she is so to-day, and, in spite of temporary alliances and combinations, it is very doubtful whether the Standard will ever permanently control Russian oil...

    In the East the oil market belonged practically to the Standard Oil Company until recently. Last year (1930), however, Sumatra imported more oil into China than America, and Russia imported nearly half as mush. About 91,500,000 gallons of kerosene went into Calcutta last year, and of this only about six million gallons came from America. In Singapore representatives of Sumatra oil claim that they have two thirds of the trade.

    https://www.bilderberg.org/whatafel.htm

     

    Now maybe some will understand some points regarding the war in the Pacific. Hint: It wasn't Japanese perfidy. Couldn't let Hitler get in on the bonanza, either.

    All wars are money bags' wars.
    , @TT
    They did offer, do you need some S300 variants HQ9 AA or Kilo class AIP modified Submarines? How about some improved AK47? DF subsonic missiles? J20 & J31 prototypes? H6K bombers? Liaoning a/carrier? Missile boats & destroyer?

    Hell No?

    How about lot of upfront cash from huge deals, FDI, huge market for Russia export, ...and some vodka variant Baijiu. Plus their Special Force already inside to get real war experience & wipe out Uyghur terrorists. Plenty of drones, weapons for Syria SAA. Petrol Yuan to collapse unlimited dollars printing.

    Come on, what else you still want from China who supposed to uphold its non interference policy with still budding military development? PLAN will go into ME if Russia requested like previous Black seas exercise. But Putin has enough lethal weapons to sober up Uncle Scam now.
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  45. @jilles dykstra
    Does nobody in the USA follow May's war rhetoric ?
    Today on BBC it was terrible.
    There is one positive point, Corbyn states that Russian guilt has not been proven.

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.

    Where I see reactions, except in heavily censored Dutch sites, nobody believen the May fairy tales.
    What May's motive is, one can only guess.
    A possibility is that Brussel asked her to perform this show, as a country outside the EU, in return for some advantage in the EU GB negotiations.

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson's war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?

    The flabbergasting thing here in Europe is that nobody in the media asks the question why Russia would have been so stupid as to try to murder two people of Russian descent in such a way that Russia would be blamed.

    They’re the same worthless media that never asked what would have motivated the Syrian government to use poison gas in East Ghouta on the very day that the UN weapons inspection team arrived, only ten blocks from their hotel!

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  46. TT says:
    @Paulv
    Why doesn't CHINA back Russia more in the UN ???

    Russia has to test a nuclear bomb and stream it live in 4k HD to remind the western axis

    Russia by itself is strong enough to speak in UNS. Similarly, Russia never speak out when China is under US harassment like South China Seas SCS.

    These are respectful protocol for big country, not Western disgraceful hysteria shrieking in peck wolves.

    Xi whispered to Putin : “Tell me when you need my support openly, otherwise everything is behind door.”
    Putin :”Thanks buddy. S400 & 500 are on schedule for your AD/A2. You need some hypersonic missiles & SU-54?”.
    Xi :”Why not, love to scare the shits out of Uncle Scam.”

    Syria SAA received much weapons under so called old purchasing agreement from China, tacit support to Russia. Huge energy & projects deal signed, lot of upfront cash for Russia economy against sanction & Syria war expenses. Russia will/must prevail with China full backing, when either one fall, they are next.

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    Excellent comments as usual TT...

    People don't realize how close Xi and Putin are working...I remember reading just how many times they have met in person over the last year...it's incredible...

    They're not talking about their golf swing...

    US is toast at this point...the exponentially rising hysteria proves it...

    Ie Psych 101...desperation manifests as irrational actions...

    Putin-Xi tandem is working slowly but surely to place the NWO on the ash heap of history...nothing can stop this...

    '...the wheels of justice turn slowly...but grind exceedingly fine...'
     
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  47. To everyone that points fingers at Trump voters, calls them dupes, look at it like this, Trumps victory exposed the MSM for what they are, liars. For everyone to see, even the dumbest. Thats a good thing.

    I’m pretty sure most Trump voters knew there was a 99.9% chance he would flip. Those comments you see defending Trump, even the war mongering, are sock puppets. No one wants war. I’m in deep south bible country, no one wants more war, folks have woken up. The slaughter and displacement of Christians in Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Libya has woken up even the bible thumper crowd.

    I think there are better times ahead, if we can survive the traitors and ziocons criminal insanity a little longer, stop letting the Democrat and Republican frauds divide you, turn you against your fellow Americans, we all think alike, and all want the same things in the end.

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  48. @Z-man
    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power.

    I cringe whenever I read that dirty dolt’s name. I thought we were done with that putrid, mephitic skunk. He’s worse than Hillary the Hyena and Jackal McStain combined.

    What a f!__&*%$# up country!

    MAGA my tusch. I hope the Izzy first swine are even happier now. Just when ya think it can’t get any worse.

    Screw them all!

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    Time to read Siege.
    , @Z-man
    Yeah it happened. All I can do is to make my voice heard on the internet (not much) or write to the WH and hope that Bolton's stay at the WH is short and unpleasant. Trump has made a big betrayal to most of his supporters here.
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  49. I could see a war with North Korea going nuclear but not a war with Russia. North Korea is an ideology-based regime. You may not like their principles but they have them and the leadership is probably prepared to die for them. The essentially Stalinist nature of the regime means that they have the means of forcing their population to fight by means of terror and threats of retaliation against soldiers’ families. The Russian Federation isn’t the Soviet Union. It’s essentially a gangster regime whose leaders care only about the vast wealth they’ve acquired in the last 25 years. They won’t destroy themselves. They’ll bluff and bluster as long as they think their American supporters can serve them up victory on a silver platter but once they lose confidence in those supporters, they’ll go for a deal which will allow them to keep as much of their ill-gotten gains as possible. Moreover, what reason is there to believe that young Russians will fight for the very gangsters who have been robbing them blind for 25 years? Putin’s supposedly vast popularity has been hyped too much on these websites not to be suspicious.

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  50. @Phillip O'Reilly
    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?

    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians

    Oh, bullshit.

    It was in the making looong before that and many knew it and expressed it at the time. One could even rationally trace its origins back to Napoleon’s antics.

    The arms buildup of the revanchist French Empire and the militant Russian Empire and its Pan-Slav goals, plus Serb passions for empire, along with the backing of the bloody Brit one ( extremely neat trick that), were much more of a “beginning” than Sarajevo, which was nothing special. There were many more, and more serious, provocations to a shooting war than that, e.g. the Moroccan crises, and the Brit assaults on the Boers.

    It would make much more sense to say that WW1 began with the Brit empire and its goal of worldwide commercial supremacy if not monopoly, but it would still be only one part of the picture.

    Good grief.

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  51. @Tom Welsh
    China and Russia have a complementary relationship vis a vis the West and its threats. China is by far the bigger and wealthier nation, rapidly becoming the world's largest economy, and expanding through the world by peaceful means. Trade is by far China's preferred way of working, and so far it has done wonders.

    Russia, while having twice the area of China (or the USA or Canada), has only about one-tenth the population. Its wealth, reckoned in financial terms, is also much less. It has vast natural resources, most of which China lacks: oil, gas, and many valuable minerals. It also leads the partnership in military terms. Russia has sold advanced weapon systems to China, and may even be sharing the technology behind them. In terms of defence, the two nations stand back to back.

    In the UNSC it is sufficient for Russia to state its case and (if necessary) exercise its veto. China considers it better to hold back, speak softly and keep its powder dry.

    [Russia] has vast natural resources, most of which China lacks: oil, gas, and many valuable minerals.

    Correct.

    You no doubt also realize that China today shares much with the Germany of a century ago in that they are relatively resource poor, hard working, industrious people rising more through economic means than military ones. Germany, prior to WW1, had, except for a few minor colonial misadventures, kept its sword sheathed for 45 years, and its military buildup and spending paled in comparison to that of the Triple Entente, yet was trashed as a warmongering state.

    A major goal of the militarist nutcases is to keep Russia and China from linking up just as the goal was to keep Germany and Russia from linking up a century ago.

    That’s pretty much the big reason Putin is being demonized just as Hitler was.

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  52. TT says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump's North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    1&2 are cool down road shows before moving all war assets to ME. NK war is last thing US deep state want to commit suicide, no oil but another devastating China intervention on steroid. SK & Jp Weapons deals done, Thaad is up, massive war games completed, MIC said move on guys, next excursion in ME showdown.

    3. Israel is like sitting on hot plate, seeing the Syria war coming to an end soon means; Iran, Iraq, Lebanon & Syria completing their Crescent. So a Iran war is in urgent, paid by US blood.

    4. Trumps is of course nut, he juz take instructions. Not Bibi who is under Soros impeachment now. They are all front men for the deep states with mantra : Buy in crisis, sell in peace.

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige? MIC make most donation, sure god know his choice.

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    God will save Americans
     
    Those pagan polytheist human worshippers?!

    I guess you have absolutely no comprehension of Him.

    , @yurivku

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige?
     
    Look, now I do agree with you ;-)
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  53. @Carlton Meyer
    Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump's North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    Bingo.

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  54. @Anonymous
    The slaves argue over the merits of creatures like Bolton, McMaster, Pompeo, Bush, Obama, Trump, etc, when any rational person can see those creatures all work together. Which lies out of the mouth of Trump did the brainwashed masses believe in? Trump = Obama = The Master over the Slaves. Only zombie slaves vote and think change for the better will come. Year after year, decade after decade, things have gotten worse for the American worker and family. Cut n' paste Whitney is a zombie voter and wants you to see the US with the proper zombie perspective without any funny ideas.

    Only zombies would argue over the merits of celebrity assholes serving in US agencies. None of them give a shit about anything other than pleasing themselves and the real bosses. If elections resulted in real change, we wouldn't have them. Guess what we do have? War, war forever. Delivered by a fake anti-media and fairy tale blasting idiots like Whitney. The real war has therefore been won - a bunch of fucking zombies believe by electing some billionaire that will bring change for the better.

    The real war has therefore been won …

    And it happened long ago. For the US the real war, which is the war of bankers and merchants over the rest of us, was won in 1798

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  55. skrik says:
    @yurivku

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson’s war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?
     
    "To be or not to be that's is the question". Seems they know the answer.
    But they have an excuse - they are imbesiles. What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, - they haven't.

    What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, – they haven’t

    Seems that you didn’t get the memo?

    1) ‘Western-style’ democracy *does not work*, proof = Trump + Obama + Bush + Clinton + … Wilson, etc.,

    2) intelligent protest *does not work*, proof = Occupy Wall St. etc.,

    3) the great unwashed = proles are a) watching TV or when not b) on their ‘smart’ phones and/or social media and c) in any case, 101% Bernays hazed – they hardly know what day of the week it is = *NO* revolution possible, and besides, the CCC [= covert criminal cabal] control the militarised police plus the military itself – remember Kent State!

    And to all those ‘putting their faith in the Lord’ forget it – there is no god, as Hawking [RIP] says. My tip: *Remove the burr from under the saddle*, aka expel and permanently banish the psychopathic-parasites to some safely remote, isolated enclave. rgds

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    Hope all this will help you to survive.
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  56. @polskijoe
    China is more globalist than Russian in some ways.

    Do you think they got rich without help?

    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.


    China is just getting rich, and who knows what else they plan.

    They are increasing their military spending by billions a year.

    But yet they havent done much to support Russia outside of business.

    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.

    Good point. Here’s more.:

    Since 1895…Russia…learned to make a fairly decent product; more dangerous, she had learned to market. She first appeared in Europe in 1885. It took ten years to make her a formidable rival, but she is so to-day, and, in spite of temporary alliances and combinations, it is very doubtful whether the Standard will ever permanently control Russian oil…

    In the East the oil market belonged practically to the Standard Oil Company until recently. Last year (1930), however, Sumatra imported more oil into China than America, and Russia imported nearly half as mush. About 91,500,000 gallons of kerosene went into Calcutta last year, and of this only about six million gallons came from America. In Singapore representatives of Sumatra oil claim that they have two thirds of the trade.

    https://www.bilderberg.org/whatafel.htm

    Now maybe some will understand some points regarding the war in the Pacific. Hint: It wasn’t Japanese perfidy. Couldn’t let Hitler get in on the bonanza, either.

    All wars are money bags’ wars.

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  57. TT says:
    @polskijoe
    China is more globalist than Russian in some ways.

    Do you think they got rich without help?

    Kissinger, Rothschilds, Rockefeller had influence in China.
    they talked with popular Chinese figures.


    China is just getting rich, and who knows what else they plan.

    They are increasing their military spending by billions a year.

    But yet they havent done much to support Russia outside of business.

    They did offer, do you need some S300 variants HQ9 AA or Kilo class AIP modified Submarines? How about some improved AK47? DF subsonic missiles? J20 & J31 prototypes? H6K bombers? Liaoning a/carrier? Missile boats & destroyer?

    Hell No?

    How about lot of upfront cash from huge deals, FDI, huge market for Russia export, …and some vodka variant Baijiu. Plus their Special Force already inside to get real war experience & wipe out Uyghur terrorists. Plenty of drones, weapons for Syria SAA. Petrol Yuan to collapse unlimited dollars printing.

    Come on, what else you still want from China who supposed to uphold its non interference policy with still budding military development? PLAN will go into ME if Russia requested like previous Black seas exercise. But Putin has enough lethal weapons to sober up Uncle Scam now.

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  58. Yee says:

    What’s the chance that someone from Russia’s side provide “evidence” that Putin did order the assassination?

    That could possibly screw up Putin’s election, or even if Putin wins, start the large scale demonstrations afterwards.

    With CIA controls US state department, Jon Huntsman as ambassador in Moscow (famous guy in China for trying), another wave of colour revolution is coming.

    But I don’t think the current situation will lead to military confrontation, the best weapon against Russia is always financial weapon, strongest of the West, and weakest of Russia.

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    Russia is not as weak as Brazil was 2 years ago and cut the professional 'US Diplomatic Staff'( sic ) inside Russia down to 463 people from the absurd 1400. There will not be another US-Soros-USAID anarchist con job inside Russia.

    The gas poisoning story is a lie, because May cannot produce evidence just as the liar Blair could not produce evidence against Iraq in 2002. It's a replay of the US-UK-FRA-Israeli neocons' international propaganda farce against Iraq and Syria, but this time it is a very dangerous one. So-called Novichuk gas can be made by anyone if it even exists at all.

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  59. yurivku says:
    @skrik

    What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, – they haven’t
     
    Seems that you didn't get the memo?

    1) 'Western-style' democracy *does not work*, proof = Trump + Obama + Bush + Clinton + ... Wilson, etc.,

    2) intelligent protest *does not work*, proof = Occupy Wall St. etc.,

    3) the great unwashed = proles are a) watching TV or when not b) on their 'smart' phones and/or social media and c) in any case, 101% Bernays hazed - they hardly know what day of the week it is = *NO* revolution possible, and besides, the CCC [= covert criminal cabal] control the militarised police plus the military itself - remember Kent State!

    And to all those 'putting their faith in the Lord' forget it - there is no god, as Hawking [RIP] says. My tip: *Remove the burr from under the saddle*, aka expel and permanently banish the psychopathic-parasites to some safely remote, isolated enclave. rgds

    Hope all this will help you to survive.

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    Criticism is pointless unless accompanied by a practical alternative plan. What's yours?
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  60. The moves the Trump administration to replace Tillerson with Pompeo, and the even more indicative replacement of McMaster with the war criminal John Bolton, strongly suggests that regardless of the close attachment of Tillerson and McMaster to the hive, they’re ultimate slavery to best outcomes for the empire as a whole, resulted in their being ejected to make way for the hardcore zionist psychopaths, an outcome which greatly increases the likelihood of nuclear engagement, which only the zionist political entity occupying the Palestinian lands wants.
    Anybody, anything, any ideology that supports the use of nuclear weapons in the enemy of humankind and the planetary biosphere as a whole, and new laws need to be created to punish such crimes.

    The ongoing, childish episodes of the UK and the pathetic response from their puppet government is a clear piece in the virtual reality masters isolation of Russia.
    If you have not already done so, please watch the must see expose on the pro-’Israel‘ lobby, and how it has effectively subverted (comparatively) reasonable governance in the U.K. with this sick, humanity-hating ideology: https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/
    The corresponding sequel, about the similar process, which has utterly subverted the American system of governance is currently the topic of intense lobbying to keep suppressed; please send words of support to Al Jazeera, supporting the release of this needed real news.

    We may evaluate these events, including the war on Syria, which in and of itself only represents a small part of the zionist Oded Yinons/Likud party manifesto (The Zionist Plan for the Middle East) plan for the balkanization of all arab/muslim countries in the Middle East and North African region, to enable expansion of ‘Israel‘ into an actual regional and thus global player.
    Available online, please read.

    If that perspective is correct, the current target for aggression is Iran.
    Access to Iran is governed by Syria.
    The failure of the empire to break-up and assume unchallenged control over Syria, especially the airspace, has provoked, and continues to provoke hysterical and non-cogent responses from the servants, in turn reacting to the obsessive-compulsive ranging-out of their masters, the leadership of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud control system ideologues.

    Again we find at the root of this world-threatening issue, the cohort of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud ideologues.
    Is there any other reasonable motive behind these events?!

    I urge everyone reading this comment, who loves the biosphere and the great works of humanity to spread the word about the history and methods of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud ideologues; this is the necessary pre-requisite for resolve this centuries-old problem plaguing humanity.
    Recommended starting point, Douglas Reed‘s objective cataloguing and analysis of the history and methods of this extremist sect in his seminal work, “The Controversy of Zion“, available online at (amongst other locations):

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    Please take all measures possible by you to cover your tracks, as it is almost certain that ‘they‘ are watching, and taking note.

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  61. TT says:
    @yurivku

    Those that want a war, do they not understand that it will be Wilson’s war that ends all wars, because no human being will survive, anywhere in the world ?
     
    "To be or not to be that's is the question". Seems they know the answer.
    But they have an excuse - they are imbesiles. What about others asking here stupid questions instead of doing something in their countries, - they haven't.

    Yuri, forget to ask you, who will you vote now after Putin’s latest weapons & warning speech?

    Filled with pride & thrills now huh, if Putin will to fire a few hypersonics on those thresh in Syria to frighten Uncle Scam will make your day.

    Kill a chicken to frighten the monkey. Hehehehe

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    For me nothing have changed. I've already said - I do support his foreign policy, but don't internal one. And I'll vote for patriotic block, but understand that Putin gonna win
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  62. @yurivku

    God help us.
     
    Why should he? Help nation of LGBTQ, warmongers, etc...
    No, only ourselves can help and as for Russia's side it's seems to kill as many mad dogs as possible is the only help available.
    Any other proposals?

    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

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    Look I know it, but you have to prove it. At least as pussyhats when they were protesting against Trump. Otherwise it's just blah blah, but nukes are real.
    , @ValmMond
    The war has already started. The current propaganda is just an effort to convince Americans that this war is a defensive one. Step by step, people with power have steered your fellow Americans to the love of war through loud lies, disinformation, distraction, vice and porn.
    Worse, your media and dominant culture have created an alternatively reality, most of us now comfortably inhabit.
    , @anonymous

    the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the
     
    The Deceitful with their, "we Americans are generally saints, even if we have our weaknesses."

    A cursory view of the alt-right forums should prove that the racists who elected Trump are still firmly on his side, applauding the selection of pure evil such as Pompeo.


    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else.
     
    Again deceit to obfuscate who the real evil is.

    Those "Islamists" are mostly inconsequential to the current state of world peace. They exist only because of the satanic evil of the western civilisation.

    What are you fellows doing to fight the real evil, that within your hearts... quest for world domination?

    , @yurivku

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the
     
    Well, actually it's not true. I've seen interviews on US streets on relations with Russia and majority were hostile and stupid. You can say that other opinions were filtered out, but your life proves that majority are hostile or indifferent. And stupid/brainwashed of cource.

    Even those who (like you) do not share the official policy are silently sitting on kitchens and near computer.
    AFAIK you've said you are an American and proud of it? I still see no reason to be proud and thousands to be ashamed. "Indispensable nation". I think this is the main source of what your establisment doing now.

    You've said

    he majority of us would vote the same way as you.
     
    But nobody on streets. We've seen a lot of demonstrations during Vietnam war. We've seen huge crowds after Trump being elected. And we see nobody now. Why?

    Ok, wait for Sarmat/Satana to come, seems this time is not so far.
    Or you think it's for us to do something? Yes, we do - Kalibr, Kindzal, Sarmat ....
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  63. Beckow says:
    @Phillip O'Reilly
    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?

    bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time

    Some of it sounds familiar, but not all. I was pointing out that there are major differences between today and 1914, but it is extremely volatile and dangerous like then.

    At least some in the West have made a decision to deal with Russia now before it gets stronger. Or to create a much better ‘defensive’ perimeter for the future. Ukraine, Baltics and probably Georgia, maybe Turkey have been lined up on Russia’s border, with Nato bases and soldiers. There was the failed attempt to push Russia out of its key Navy base in Crimea. Syria war will go on to bleed and demoralise Russia, maybe in a few other places. Squeeze the economy by financial isolation. Use media demonisation to create pressure on the Westernised Russian elites.

    Will that start a war like in 1914? That’s where the differences come in. Russia cannot be today described as ‘bellicose‘, and neither can large parts of the West. Only some in the West are bellicose. Germany, Italy and to some extent France want to continue or even increase business with Russia.

    There is also no such thing as a traditional war between Russia and the West – it would be over in 1-2 days (if that), basically a suicide. It could still happen, but we need more events before we get there.

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  64. Dir. Pompeo’s appointment is to the Sec of State. That means the development of diplomacy. His job is to seek avenues before resorting to violence. Anyone going into the post with the notion that will rubber stamp Presidential policy may find themselves in the position of Gen/Sec/ Powell more respected than any member of the WH, until he signed on to support a war in Iraq. Had they found weapons, etc, Sec’Gen Powell, would be the man to beat — running or not. Had he chosen to step aside because he disagreed with the policy, he would be the man to beat running or not. Buy ultimately, the Sec. runs the policy intended by the WH. whether actually being office will temper Sec Pompeo’s rhetoric as he will be engaging with other foreign diplomats is, unknown.

    Both the WH and the State dept. will have to make a case for war. I suspect that the US public is not as primed as they were after 9/11. It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the “red line”. A major conflict involving Russia will require manpower — that is going to trigger a discussion. What is most interesting to me is that the advocates for the use of force will spend eons decrying Vietnam , one of the few morally justifiable efforts of US goodwill since WWII. Convincing the US public that we should go to war over a spy which has little to with the US. There is no doubt that foul play requires investigation and the responsible parties held to account, even such evidence leads to Pres Putin. Suspicion is not enough. It’s obvious is not enough. Charging a criminal offense is serious business and murder across state lines is extreme.

    PM May will have to produce evidence that Russia engaged in murder on her soil or anyone else’s. But even then, spying is a treasonable act and getting caught is risky. I don’t think foreign diplomats are entitled to due process. You operate in a foreign as guests, despite the territorial understandings. A diplomat operates under the guests rules of another state. As arbitrary as it may be, you can get the boot as the host sees fit. Fair enough. But under the international expectation of a trial or official international sanction – evidence is required, in my view.

    “God Save the Queen.”

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    It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the “red line”.
     
    In 2013, Obama took the matter to Congress, whether out of fear of getting the blame if things went badly, Iraq-style, or because he wanted an excuse to get out of a war he wasn't actually up for. Furthermore, partisan politics played a role in people opposing the Obama proposed war of aggression.

    Neither will be the case here. It appears likely Trump is now on board with his "advisers" as far as a US attack on Syrian forces (another openly illegal war of aggression) is concerned, with all the risks that entails of open war with Russia - in other words we are now again in the position we probably would have been in a year ago if Clinton had been elected.

    In this case there will be no attempt to get Congressional authorisation, and the Democrats are so hysterically invested in their Russophobia that there will be no significant partisan opposition to the policy. Remarkable as it may seem, the previous Trump crime against Syria last year showed that both the "never Trump" pseudo-conservatives and the Democrat political and media elites are all quite prepared to get behind the Trump regime if it means getting the wars of aggression they seek.

    Such is the sheer depth of the profound corruption of US politics and of the media that dominates it.

    There will be no popular prevention of another US war of aggression this time.
    , @anonymous

    “God Save the Queen.”
     
    LOL!

    Why do you think that will be deserved, when said useless thing does not worship Him, but His creation?
    , @bluedog
    Hell the American people are dumber than a stick once the MSN'S starts beating the war drums they can't wait to join the parade...
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  65. FB says:
    @anonymous
    Rude. But pretty much right.

    To go over the columns and comments at Unz about Mr. Trump starting back in 2015 is saddening. Those of us who pointed out his irreconcilable public statements over the years, seeing him as the next liar packaged to placate people's current anger, and who urged others to stop voting were attacked as agents of Jeb Bush, etc. Linh Dinh even called the Trump win months beforehand, and likewise predicted the sellout we're now seeing in real time. But most of the readership was helping columnists like Ilana Mercer cut out paper dolls for the Trump Cabinet, which included none of those ultimately selected.

    I do think you're too harsh about Mr. Whitney, though. He does a good job pointing out the Establishment lies. And without going back to look, I don't share your sense that he buys into Our Democracy any more than you do.

    So we have a ‘debate’ between two ‘anonymouses’…

    How hard is it to put up some kind of handle here before posting…?

    I for one skip reading ‘anonymous posts from here on in…I hope others follow suit…

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    So we have a ‘debate’ between two ‘anonymouses’…

    How hard is it to put up some kind of handle here before posting…?


    Well perhaps harder than you think, after less than a dozen posts here the system would not allow me to change to anything but "Anon" so I expect your reading load to get much lighter rather fast.
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  66. Randal says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Dir. Pompeo's appointment is to the Sec of State. That means the development of diplomacy. His job is to seek avenues before resorting to violence. Anyone going into the post with the notion that will rubber stamp Presidential policy may find themselves in the position of Gen/Sec/ Powell more respected than any member of the WH, until he signed on to support a war in Iraq. Had they found weapons, etc, Sec'Gen Powell, would be the man to beat -- running or not. Had he chosen to step aside because he disagreed with the policy, he would be the man to beat running or not. Buy ultimately, the Sec. runs the policy intended by the WH. whether actually being office will temper Sec Pompeo's rhetoric as he will be engaging with other foreign diplomats is, unknown.

    Both the WH and the State dept. will have to make a case for war. I suspect that the US public is not as primed as they were after 9/11. It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the "red line". A major conflict involving Russia will require manpower -- that is going to trigger a discussion. What is most interesting to me is that the advocates for the use of force will spend eons decrying Vietnam , one of the few morally justifiable efforts of US goodwill since WWII. Convincing the US public that we should go to war over a spy which has little to with the US. There is no doubt that foul play requires investigation and the responsible parties held to account, even such evidence leads to Pres Putin. Suspicion is not enough. It's obvious is not enough. Charging a criminal offense is serious business and murder across state lines is extreme.

    PM May will have to produce evidence that Russia engaged in murder on her soil or anyone else's. But even then, spying is a treasonable act and getting caught is risky. I don't think foreign diplomats are entitled to due process. You operate in a foreign as guests, despite the territorial understandings. A diplomat operates under the guests rules of another state. As arbitrary as it may be, you can get the boot as the host sees fit. Fair enough. But under the international expectation of a trial or official international sanction - evidence is required, in my view.

    "God Save the Queen."

    It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the “red line”.

    In 2013, Obama took the matter to Congress, whether out of fear of getting the blame if things went badly, Iraq-style, or because he wanted an excuse to get out of a war he wasn’t actually up for. Furthermore, partisan politics played a role in people opposing the Obama proposed war of aggression.

    Neither will be the case here. It appears likely Trump is now on board with his “advisers” as far as a US attack on Syrian forces (another openly illegal war of aggression) is concerned, with all the risks that entails of open war with Russia – in other words we are now again in the position we probably would have been in a year ago if Clinton had been elected.

    In this case there will be no attempt to get Congressional authorisation, and the Democrats are so hysterically invested in their Russophobia that there will be no significant partisan opposition to the policy. Remarkable as it may seem, the previous Trump crime against Syria last year showed that both the “never Trump” pseudo-conservatives and the Democrat political and media elites are all quite prepared to get behind the Trump regime if it means getting the wars of aggression they seek.

    Such is the sheer depth of the profound corruption of US politics and of the media that dominates it.

    There will be no popular prevention of another US war of aggression this time.

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    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm


    At the moment the public doesn't seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause - the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the "green zone". There's a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened -- catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.


    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war --

    -- it made the "red line" response less credible -- by it's convenience.

    The causes for intervention now being added to the list: rape, child trafficking is not meant for the convinced --- agitate the emotions of a dubious public.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm


    At the moment the public doesn't seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause - the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the "green zone". There's a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened -- catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.


    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war --

    -- it made the "red line" response less credible -- by it's convenience.
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  67. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Maybe I am an optimist, but my impression is that the US elites are not as dumb as they appear. Remember Trump and others in his entourage threatened to bomb North Korea many times, repeatedly sailed aircraft carrier groups to Korea, lost two airplanes, and now came down to Earth and promise talks with Kim. It stands to reason that the anti-Syrian bluster will end the same way. The US will use its usual tactics: issue threats, then declare victory and leave. It might seem undignified, but it’s a lot more sensible than starting a war with Russia.

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    If Russia gives in on Syria then next will be Iran. Then perhaps Turkey and Pakistan....and then Russia herself. Don't think Russia will be backing down here.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    It's not a case of them being "dumb" (a term best reserved for those with an inability to speak) or stupid but is more a case of arrogance and hubris. The cabal that runs the ZUS and ZUK don't care anyway as they intend to undermine both once they reach a point of total global control. They had thought they had the timing right but the pushback has thrown them off quite a bit, hence the evident desperation and clumsiness.
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  68. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not ready to panic just yet although the perceived friendliness toward a character like Bolton is cause for nervousness. Although Pompeo may come across as an ideological hardliner it’s not clear what his level of realism actually is. If use of force against DPRK is not feasible due to their military capability then is he capable of recognizing that and backing off any rash actions? It’s unlikely an entertainer like Haley really knows or understands anything so what she says has to be taken with a grain of salt, Ditto for the various newspapers and their all-wise journalists. Things are still in transition and the real picture isn’t clear just yet. Will realism weigh more heavily than ideological blindness?

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    Bolton, the man is so stupid that UN personnel hardly could hide their laughter, a USA correspondent wrote me.
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  69. USA elite members as Lindbergh and Nye were outmanoevred by FDR.
    Just after the Pearl Harbour attack Lindbergh got a phone call from another member of the America First Comittee ‘ he (FDR) got us in (the war) through the back door’.

    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970

    I fear those in UK and EU who do not want war now have been outmanoevred by May.

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  70. FB says:
    @Y.L.

    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

     

    You haven't read The Saker's columns on this site? I suggest you do.

    This video by SouthFront does not take into consideration the new weaponry, which you can read about on the front page of Unz, again by an article by The Saker and also Andrei.


    https://southfront.org/conflict-syria-forecasting-escalation-scenario/

    This video was originally released in November, 2016. It depicts the worst-case escalation scenario of the conflict in Syria. However, this analysis remains relevant to this day.

    On March 13, the US threatened to strike Syrian government forces in the Damascus countryside. On March 14, the Russian Defense Ministry said that it will act in response if lives of the Russian servicemen are endangered.
     
    On YouTube, but they frequently attack the channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlWfoOdifOw

    See Andrei's analysis here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/

    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront…

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria…probably by means of social media…ie SAA…opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories…such as when taking a town or village…

    This is Southfront’s capability…

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called ‘analysts’ that have absolutely zero credibility…and nothing to do with reality…

    This video is an example of pure phantasmagoria

    The premise is that US forces would attack the formidable Russian integrated air defense system [IADS] in Syria with a massive cruise missile salvo from standoff range…

    This is kindergarten level drivel…for the simple reason that cruise missiles are 100 percent ineffective against mobile targets…

    …which is what all Russian SAMs in Syria are…Pantsir, Buk, S300/400 and all their radars are completely mobile…and can hide anywhere…

    …as I have discussed at length on Martyanov’s thread…

    …you could fire 10,000 cruise missiles at Syria [which is three times as many as the total US inventory]…and not hit one single piece of Russian mobile SAM equipment…

    An attack against the Russian A2/AD zone in Syria [effectively a no-fly zone...anti-access, area denial] could only be accomplished by means of a combat aviation operation known as SEAD…which stands for suppression of enemy air defenses…

    SEAD capability has not kept up with IADS and there are physics-bassed reason for that…so we have a situation where today’s Russian A2/AD zones are the equivalent of the impregnable fortress of medieval times…

    This is acknowledged in top US and Nato circles…and even expressed publicly from time to time…such as recent comments by USAF Gen, Phillip Breedlove…former EUROCOM commander…

    This kind of stuff from Southfront and many others is amateur hour…

    As for the rest of the story…there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US…

    Neither Pompeo nor Bolton nor anyone else changes the basic equation that these are just nuts that are too tough to crack…

    Blowing hot air is one thing…actually being able to beat somebody up is quite another…

    Just days ago Russia’s top intel chiefs met with Pompeo in Washington…

    Pompeo changes nothing…he may in fact be more competent than Tillerson…in whom I initially placed a lot of confidence but who turned out to be way to small to fill the big shoes needed for this position…

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    As for the rest of the story…there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US…
     
    Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter).

    The present signs seem to me to indicate that propaganda is being geared up for an attack on Syria, much as I remember being done in the case of past intended acts of US military aggression, especially Iraq in 2003 and the foiled attempt to attack Syria in 2013. Will it happen? Is it all some kind of bluff (and if so, to what end?) Who knows?

    Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the "reality based community" - they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks - in Pompeo's case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran. These are the same kinds of people that brought us the catastrophically stupid invasion of Iraq and they are quite capable of bringing us an even more disastrous attack on Syria. And, in fairness to the neocon lunatics, it's even not impossible that Russia might choose not to respond directly to even a quite substantial US attack, as they chose to ignore the previous attack last year. The Russians might not like it, but sometimes you have to accept what you dislike. That's the grownup, as opposed to American, approach to life.
    , @Y.L.

    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront…

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria…probably by means of social media…ie SAA…opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories…such as when taking a town or village…

    This is Southfront’s capability…

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called ‘analysts’ that have absolutely zero credibility…and nothing to do with reality…
     

    Then I have no idea why you asked the question. And of course, I don't agree with you at all about SouthFront.

    I think that other readers of Unz will find this of interest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpHrdMDqyOA

    And SouthFront is right that the situation is grave indeed:

    https://southfront.org/five-seconds-world-war-3/

    ***

    The chief of the General Staff continued saying that militants are already preparing to falsify a “government” chemical attack.

    “We have reliable information about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians. In several districts of Eastern Ghouta, a crowd was assembled with women, children and old people, brought from other regions, who were to represent the victims of the chemical incident.”

    A new round of escalation in Syria is developing just few days ahead of Russia’s presidential election scheduled on March 18.

    Meanwhile, reports have appeared, that the Ukrainian military is actively preparing for offensive actions against forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) in the eastern part of the country. Local sources also indicate that the Ukrainian government is planning stage provocations on a contact line between its military and forces of the DPR and the LPR. According to reports, a military escalation as well as provocations on the contact line may take place in eastern Ukraine in the coming week.

    It’s possible that an escalation scenario in both Syria and Ukraine may be implemented by the US establishment soon after or during the presidential election in Russia. The goal of these actions will be to stage an aggressive war against Russia.

    ***

    And I'll trust Andrei Martyanov's analysis ahead of any drivel you write. What is the source of your expertise? If you had all the answers, why ask the question? Unless there are more than one @Anon at Unz.

    http://www.unz.com/author/andrei-martyanov/

    , @Y.L.
    I confused with Anon.

    I noticed from reading earlier threads that Andrei demolishes much of what he writes and chooses to ignore him now: "Goodbye."

    Now, as to Pompeo and war see: https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2018/03/13/its-impossible-to-overstate-how-terrible-mike-pompeo-is/


    Here’s the bottom line. As I outlined multiple times last year, Trump is determined to have a war with Iran and Rex Tillerson was standing in the way. Putting unhinged war hawk Pompeo in place as Secretary of State is simply Trump getting his ducks in a row ahead of confrontation. Watch as the sales pitch for another war in the Middle East picks up considerably in the months ahead.

    I believe this forthcoming war against Iran will have almost no international support. Probably just autocratic regimes in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, as well as Israel and possibly the UK depending on who’s Prime Minister when it gets going. The rest of the world will be against it, which will lead to spectacular failure.

    It’s become increasingly clear that a huge military error, such as a new major confrontation in the Middle East is what will spell the end of the U.S. empire. Such a confrontation is now increasingly likely with Tillerson out of the picture
     

    So, sadly, I think you're wrong and all the propaganda is preparing us for and gearing up for war. And even Israel won't "win" I think.
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  71. ” PM May will have to produce evidence that Russia engaged in murder on her soil or anyone else’s. ”

    Tony Blair never produced any evidence for his 45 minutes WMD’s of Saddam.
    Saddam just had a few Scuds.
    But his assertions were enough to start a terrible war, that in fact goes on until today.
    Seven years of investigation against Blair produced damning evidence, the man is not behind bars.
    So what has May to fear ?

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  72. @anonymous
    I'm not ready to panic just yet although the perceived friendliness toward a character like Bolton is cause for nervousness. Although Pompeo may come across as an ideological hardliner it's not clear what his level of realism actually is. If use of force against DPRK is not feasible due to their military capability then is he capable of recognizing that and backing off any rash actions? It's unlikely an entertainer like Haley really knows or understands anything so what she says has to be taken with a grain of salt, Ditto for the various newspapers and their all-wise journalists. Things are still in transition and the real picture isn't clear just yet. Will realism weigh more heavily than ideological blindness?

    Bolton, the man is so stupid that UN personnel hardly could hide their laughter, a USA correspondent wrote me.

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  73. @Beckow

    bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time
     
    Some of it sounds familiar, but not all. I was pointing out that there are major differences between today and 1914, but it is extremely volatile and dangerous like then.

    At least some in the West have made a decision to deal with Russia now before it gets stronger. Or to create a much better 'defensive' perimeter for the future. Ukraine, Baltics and probably Georgia, maybe Turkey have been lined up on Russia's border, with Nato bases and soldiers. There was the failed attempt to push Russia out of its key Navy base in Crimea. Syria war will go on to bleed and demoralise Russia, maybe in a few other places. Squeeze the economy by financial isolation. Use media demonisation to create pressure on the Westernised Russian elites.

    Will that start a war like in 1914? That's where the differences come in. Russia cannot be today described as 'bellicose', and neither can large parts of the West. Only some in the West are bellicose. Germany, Italy and to some extent France want to continue or even increase business with Russia.

    There is also no such thing as a traditional war between Russia and the West - it would be over in 1-2 days (if that), basically a suicide. It could still happen, but we need more events before we get there.

    Some new Pearl Harbour or Sept 11 could do the trick quickly.

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  74. skrik says:
    @yurivku
    Hope all this will help you to survive.

    Criticism is pointless unless accompanied by a practical alternative plan. What’s yours?

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    I already said - as a Russian and retired Soviet officer my plan is to fight. And you should use your brains, it's you who did and still messing world up
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  75. yurivku says:
    @TT
    Yuri, forget to ask you, who will you vote now after Putin's latest weapons & warning speech?

    Filled with pride & thrills now huh, if Putin will to fire a few hypersonics on those thresh in Syria to frighten Uncle Scam will make your day.

    Kill a chicken to frighten the monkey. Hehehehe

    For me nothing have changed. I’ve already said – I do support his foreign policy, but don’t internal one. And I’ll vote for patriotic block, but understand that Putin gonna win

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  76. yurivku says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

    Look I know it, but you have to prove it. At least as pussyhats when they were protesting against Trump. Otherwise it’s just blah blah, but nukes are real.

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    Yes, yurivku, we have attended rallies and will keep doing so. You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets. I’m frustrated, too, that others don’t do more, and we are paying a serious price for their complacency.

    But back off a bit, before you get too judgmental. Unlike the bitter feminist “cat ladies”, lazy college students, homosexuals, paid agitators, Africans, and other misfits in the “antifa” and “p——-hat” crowds, people in our camp very often have full-time jobs (or more) and a family to raise. In the USA, a far higher proportion of a leftist crowd will be childless people, compared to our crowd, due to those characteristic demographic differences.

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    I am not the problem here, bro, either in my views or in my getting out there to advocate and push back. Blame the apathetic Americans. You’re not talking to one now.

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  77. yurivku says:
    @skrik
    Criticism is pointless unless accompanied by a practical alternative plan. What's yours?

    I already said – as a Russian and retired Soviet officer my plan is to fight. And you should use your brains, it’s you who did and still messing world up

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    my plan is to fight
     
    Admirable, but only to be expected.

    it’s you who did and still messing world up
     
    No, and a bit 'uncharitable' with it - if not outright arrogant. Who is your "you?" I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar? rgds

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  78. FB says:
    @TT
    Russia by itself is strong enough to speak in UNS. Similarly, Russia never speak out when China is under US harassment like South China Seas SCS.

    These are respectful protocol for big country, not Western disgraceful hysteria shrieking in peck wolves.

    Xi whispered to Putin : "Tell me when you need my support openly, otherwise everything is behind door."
    Putin :"Thanks buddy. S400 & 500 are on schedule for your AD/A2. You need some hypersonic missiles & SU-54?".
    Xi :"Why not, love to scare the shits out of Uncle Scam."

    Syria SAA received much weapons under so called old purchasing agreement from China, tacit support to Russia. Huge energy & projects deal signed, lot of upfront cash for Russia economy against sanction & Syria war expenses. Russia will/must prevail with China full backing, when either one fall, they are next.

    Excellent comments as usual TT…

    People don’t realize how close Xi and Putin are working…I remember reading just how many times they have met in person over the last year…it’s incredible…

    They’re not talking about their golf swing…

    US is toast at this point…the exponentially rising hysteria proves it…

    Ie Psych 101…desperation manifests as irrational actions…

    Putin-Xi tandem is working slowly but surely to place the NWO on the ash heap of history…nothing can stop this…

    ‘…the wheels of justice turn slowly…but grind exceedingly fine…’

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  79. Randal says:
    @FB
    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront...

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria...probably by means of social media...ie SAA...opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories...such as when taking a town or village...

    This is Southfront's capability...

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called 'analysts' that have absolutely zero credibility...and nothing to do with reality...

    This video is an example of pure phantasmagoria...

    The premise is that US forces would attack the formidable Russian integrated air defense system [IADS] in Syria with a massive cruise missile salvo from standoff range...

    This is kindergarten level drivel...for the simple reason that cruise missiles are 100 percent ineffective against mobile targets...

    ...which is what all Russian SAMs in Syria are...Pantsir, Buk, S300/400 and all their radars are completely mobile...and can hide anywhere...

    ...as I have discussed at length on Martyanov's thread...

    ...you could fire 10,000 cruise missiles at Syria [which is three times as many as the total US inventory]...and not hit one single piece of Russian mobile SAM equipment...

    An attack against the Russian A2/AD zone in Syria [effectively a no-fly zone...anti-access, area denial] could only be accomplished by means of a combat aviation operation known as SEAD...which stands for suppression of enemy air defenses...

    SEAD capability has not kept up with IADS and there are physics-bassed reason for that...so we have a situation where today's Russian A2/AD zones are the equivalent of the impregnable fortress of medieval times...

    This is acknowledged in top US and Nato circles...and even expressed publicly from time to time...such as recent comments by USAF Gen, Phillip Breedlove...former EUROCOM commander...

    This kind of stuff from Southfront and many others is amateur hour...

    As for the rest of the story...there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US...

    Neither Pompeo nor Bolton nor anyone else changes the basic equation that these are just nuts that are too tough to crack...

    Blowing hot air is one thing...actually being able to beat somebody up is quite another...

    Just days ago Russia's top intel chiefs met with Pompeo in Washington...

    Pompeo changes nothing...he may in fact be more competent than Tillerson...in whom I initially placed a lot of confidence but who turned out to be way to small to fill the big shoes needed for this position...

    As for the rest of the story…there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US…

    Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter).

    The present signs seem to me to indicate that propaganda is being geared up for an attack on Syria, much as I remember being done in the case of past intended acts of US military aggression, especially Iraq in 2003 and the foiled attempt to attack Syria in 2013. Will it happen? Is it all some kind of bluff (and if so, to what end?) Who knows?

    Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the “reality based community” – they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks – in Pompeo’s case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran. These are the same kinds of people that brought us the catastrophically stupid invasion of Iraq and they are quite capable of bringing us an even more disastrous attack on Syria. And, in fairness to the neocon lunatics, it’s even not impossible that Russia might choose not to respond directly to even a quite substantial US attack, as they chose to ignore the previous attack last year. The Russians might not like it, but sometimes you have to accept what you dislike. That’s the grownup, as opposed to American, approach to life.

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    '...Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter)...'
     
    I never pretended to present some kind of 'analysis'...[an important sounding buzzword that is devoid of meaning...except in its proper context of mathematics...]

    I stated an opinion...

    And as Shamir recently said...only history will prove it right or wrong...

    Incidentally...and unrelated to this disagreement...today we have news that thousands of civilians have left East Ghouta...

    This means that the agit-prop offensive...including MSM saturation of disinfo demonizing the Russians and Syrian govt...has conclusively failed...

    The MSM narrative of just a few days ago stands in stark contrast to what those thousands of civilians are now telling even Western reporters...

    We note also the calm and systematic manner in which the SAA supported by Russian air power have proceeded with Operation Damascus Steel in the midst of that huge US led propaganda offensive...including circus grandstanding at the UNSC by gypsy queen N. Haley...

    So many threats...so little time to count them all...

    And when all is said and done the Russians take care of business...while those mighty 'threats' are once again proved to be approximations of the flatuses emanating from the rear end of my Irish setter...

    Make your own 'analysis'...
    , @Harold Smith
    "Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the “reality based community” – they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks – in Pompeo’s case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran."

    Exactly. I would describe these people as being "demon possessed"; that is to say, there is no satisfactory "worldly" explanation for their outrageous behavior.

    Take Trump for example. Here's a wealthy man with an attractive wife, still has decent physical health (as far as we know), etc., basically he has everything going for him in a worldly/materialistic sense, yet with all he has to lose, he nevertheless flirts with planetary extinction. Why?

    In order to try to "understand" why these people are doing what they're doing, I posit the existence of a "spiritual" component of human behavior, and a "spiritual realm", in which originate the spiritual forces of "good" and "evil", which modulate human behavior.

    At first glance this may seem like a strange concept, but it's analogous to the physical realm with its fundamental forces; i.e., gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and strong nuclear forces.

    For example, even though the physical force of gravity cannot be directly "seen", Newton was nevertheless able to understand the basic features of the force and conceive his Law of Universal Gravitation by observing the effect of gravity on bodies that have mass, and doing some reasoning. Likewise, it seems to me that it's possible to understand some features of the spiritual forces of "good" and "evil" by observing the effects of these forces on bodies that have spirit. (And the analogy can be further extended IMO, to include the concepts of "fields" and "energy").

    Anyway, that so many evil people, doing and proposing to do so many inexplicably evil and ultimately self-destructive things, have risen to the top, in practically every influential country in the "West", seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon.
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  80. annamaria says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Trump is a puppet of Israel and the Zionist dual citizens who control every facet of the U.S. government and these Zionists and Israel control the deep state and were the ones who did 911 and created ISIS aka AL CIADA and created the wars in the Mideast in which Americans fought and died for ISRAEL.

    Russia will stand with Syria and Iran and an attack on Syria with nuclear weapons will be met with a nuclear response by Russia and the neocons will have the war with Russia that they have wanted to perpetrate. The Zionist neocons hate Russia because they are standing for Christianity with Syria and the Zionists can not invade and destroy Russia like the neocons have done in the Mideast.

    The U.S. gov is ran by Zionist war criminals and crooks who should be on trial for their war crimes and civil crimes and not be involved in plunging America into WWIII.

    God bless Putin and Russia and Assad and Syria, as Jesus said, blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the children of God.

    The Skripal affair.
    The zionized US had send an order to the zionized UK and the poodling Mrs. May obliged. She went into hysterical mode and a chorus of the easy-virtue parliamentarians rushed to join Mrs. May. She issued a mad battle cry against Russia. No facts are involved. The UK does not do facts (see “Sir” Saville affair). Gavin Williamson — a spectacular ignoramus in everything but in selling the ceramic countertops and fireplaces — who leads today the UK Defence (no military experience required, of course) decided to show himself a big man and squealed out something so ridiculous that even the UK press has noticed as cute and inappropriate.
    Here is what we need to know about very bad Russians that are allegedly poisoning people in the UK: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    “The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who ‘blew the whistle’ and wrote about the ‘Novichoks’, now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him about the recent incident: Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.
    “Only the Russians” developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. “They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy.” The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon. “Russia did it”, says Mirzanyanov, “OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK”.
    One more time, “Russia did it”, says Mirzanyanov, “OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK”.
    Could it be the CIA that read the book and then awarded the poor Tatar man with a $1 million home in the United States?
    And how come that we hear nothing about Paul Klebnikov, Michael Hastings, and Seth Rich but hear a lot about these four scoundrels? — https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-14/fatal-quad-who-assassinating-mi6-assets-british-soil
    “Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Serezovsky, Chechen leader Ahmed Zakaev, and the hired-gun writer Yury Felshtinsky celebrating Berezovsky’s 60th birthday in London, Jan 2006.”
    PS: If the UK secret services want to talk history, here is a history for them:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550472/Police-cover-Saviles-claims-friends-Queens-cousin-Paedophile-claimed-visited-school-Princess-Alexandra.html

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/thwarted-savile-whistleblower-write-book-9774952

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    Agree, and it is my opinion that the Skripal affair was done by MI6.
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  81. Y.L. says:
    @FB
    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront...

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria...probably by means of social media...ie SAA...opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories...such as when taking a town or village...

    This is Southfront's capability...

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called 'analysts' that have absolutely zero credibility...and nothing to do with reality...

    This video is an example of pure phantasmagoria...

    The premise is that US forces would attack the formidable Russian integrated air defense system [IADS] in Syria with a massive cruise missile salvo from standoff range...

    This is kindergarten level drivel...for the simple reason that cruise missiles are 100 percent ineffective against mobile targets...

    ...which is what all Russian SAMs in Syria are...Pantsir, Buk, S300/400 and all their radars are completely mobile...and can hide anywhere...

    ...as I have discussed at length on Martyanov's thread...

    ...you could fire 10,000 cruise missiles at Syria [which is three times as many as the total US inventory]...and not hit one single piece of Russian mobile SAM equipment...

    An attack against the Russian A2/AD zone in Syria [effectively a no-fly zone...anti-access, area denial] could only be accomplished by means of a combat aviation operation known as SEAD...which stands for suppression of enemy air defenses...

    SEAD capability has not kept up with IADS and there are physics-bassed reason for that...so we have a situation where today's Russian A2/AD zones are the equivalent of the impregnable fortress of medieval times...

    This is acknowledged in top US and Nato circles...and even expressed publicly from time to time...such as recent comments by USAF Gen, Phillip Breedlove...former EUROCOM commander...

    This kind of stuff from Southfront and many others is amateur hour...

    As for the rest of the story...there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US...

    Neither Pompeo nor Bolton nor anyone else changes the basic equation that these are just nuts that are too tough to crack...

    Blowing hot air is one thing...actually being able to beat somebody up is quite another...

    Just days ago Russia's top intel chiefs met with Pompeo in Washington...

    Pompeo changes nothing...he may in fact be more competent than Tillerson...in whom I initially placed a lot of confidence but who turned out to be way to small to fill the big shoes needed for this position...

    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront…

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria…probably by means of social media…ie SAA…opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories…such as when taking a town or village…

    This is Southfront’s capability…

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called ‘analysts’ that have absolutely zero credibility…and nothing to do with reality…

    Then I have no idea why you asked the question. And of course, I don’t agree with you at all about SouthFront.

    I think that other readers of Unz will find this of interest:

    And SouthFront is right that the situation is grave indeed:

    https://southfront.org/five-seconds-world-war-3/

    ***

    The chief of the General Staff continued saying that militants are already preparing to falsify a “government” chemical attack.

    “We have reliable information about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians. In several districts of Eastern Ghouta, a crowd was assembled with women, children and old people, brought from other regions, who were to represent the victims of the chemical incident.”

    A new round of escalation in Syria is developing just few days ahead of Russia’s presidential election scheduled on March 18.

    Meanwhile, reports have appeared, that the Ukrainian military is actively preparing for offensive actions against forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) in the eastern part of the country. Local sources also indicate that the Ukrainian government is planning stage provocations on a contact line between its military and forces of the DPR and the LPR. According to reports, a military escalation as well as provocations on the contact line may take place in eastern Ukraine in the coming week.

    It’s possible that an escalation scenario in both Syria and Ukraine may be implemented by the US establishment soon after or during the presidential election in Russia. The goal of these actions will be to stage an aggressive war against Russia.

    ***

    And I’ll trust Andrei Martyanov’s analysis ahead of any drivel you write. What is the source of your expertise? If you had all the answers, why ask the question? Unless there are more than one at Unz.

    http://www.unz.com/author/andrei-martyanov/

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  82. @Z-man
    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power. What a betrayal by Trump from his campaign, attacking the Neocons of the Bush era and now bringing them into the WH. What a disaster, what a disgrace!

    If this attack on Syria or Iran happens and Putin does not respond with force and tries diplomatically, stupidly calling them partners and hoping for acceptence, think of it as the end of Russia and a unequivocal victory for America. The only leverage Russia has is to subtly let Israel know whats in store for them and be willing to carry it out. If you don’t have dog waggers, this dumb dog will settle down.

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  83. skrik says:
    @yurivku
    I already said - as a Russian and retired Soviet officer my plan is to fight. And you should use your brains, it's you who did and still messing world up

    my plan is to fight

    Admirable, but only to be expected.

    it’s you who did and still messing world up

    No, and a bit ‘uncharitable’ with it – if not outright arrogant. Who is your “you?” I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar? rgds

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    Who is your “you?” I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.
     
    My "you" references to those who represent the West, mainly US, UK and other US-asskissers countries' citizens. If you are not from there, sorry, message was not for you.

    And I understand *actively against* as some actions, not just words.
    And those actions are risky to attempt, yes.
    BTW it's a question of "your" (and ours) live and death. You can compare those risks.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar
     
    As you can see my English is far from ideal, and I not sure to get this message. But if you mean that to be polite is better than to be rude - look at Putin he's so kind ("partners" ...) and the results (Haley, May ...).
    Or what did you mean?
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  84. Y.L. says:
    @FB
    Just watched that silly video you pointed to on Southfront...

    Southfront does a good job of collecting timely reports from battle zones in Syria...probably by means of social media...ie SAA...opposition rebels and other groups always post selfies and pics/video of their victories...such as when taking a town or village...

    This is Southfront's capability...

    They also run a lot of crap from various so-called 'analysts' that have absolutely zero credibility...and nothing to do with reality...

    This video is an example of pure phantasmagoria...

    The premise is that US forces would attack the formidable Russian integrated air defense system [IADS] in Syria with a massive cruise missile salvo from standoff range...

    This is kindergarten level drivel...for the simple reason that cruise missiles are 100 percent ineffective against mobile targets...

    ...which is what all Russian SAMs in Syria are...Pantsir, Buk, S300/400 and all their radars are completely mobile...and can hide anywhere...

    ...as I have discussed at length on Martyanov's thread...

    ...you could fire 10,000 cruise missiles at Syria [which is three times as many as the total US inventory]...and not hit one single piece of Russian mobile SAM equipment...

    An attack against the Russian A2/AD zone in Syria [effectively a no-fly zone...anti-access, area denial] could only be accomplished by means of a combat aviation operation known as SEAD...which stands for suppression of enemy air defenses...

    SEAD capability has not kept up with IADS and there are physics-bassed reason for that...so we have a situation where today's Russian A2/AD zones are the equivalent of the impregnable fortress of medieval times...

    This is acknowledged in top US and Nato circles...and even expressed publicly from time to time...such as recent comments by USAF Gen, Phillip Breedlove...former EUROCOM commander...

    This kind of stuff from Southfront and many others is amateur hour...

    As for the rest of the story...there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US...

    Neither Pompeo nor Bolton nor anyone else changes the basic equation that these are just nuts that are too tough to crack...

    Blowing hot air is one thing...actually being able to beat somebody up is quite another...

    Just days ago Russia's top intel chiefs met with Pompeo in Washington...

    Pompeo changes nothing...he may in fact be more competent than Tillerson...in whom I initially placed a lot of confidence but who turned out to be way to small to fill the big shoes needed for this position...

    I confused with Anon.

    I noticed from reading earlier threads that Andrei demolishes much of what he writes and chooses to ignore him now: “Goodbye.”

    Now, as to Pompeo and war see: https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2018/03/13/its-impossible-to-overstate-how-terrible-mike-pompeo-is/

    Here’s the bottom line. As I outlined multiple times last year, Trump is determined to have a war with Iran and Rex Tillerson was standing in the way. Putting unhinged war hawk Pompeo in place as Secretary of State is simply Trump getting his ducks in a row ahead of confrontation. Watch as the sales pitch for another war in the Middle East picks up considerably in the months ahead.

    I believe this forthcoming war against Iran will have almost no international support. Probably just autocratic regimes in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, as well as Israel and possibly the UK depending on who’s Prime Minister when it gets going. The rest of the world will be against it, which will lead to spectacular failure.

    It’s become increasingly clear that a huge military error, such as a new major confrontation in the Middle East is what will spell the end of the U.S. empire. Such a confrontation is now increasingly likely with Tillerson out of the picture

    So, sadly, I think you’re wrong and all the propaganda is preparing us for and gearing up for war. And even Israel won’t “win” I think.

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  85. What is all this nonsense about Trump being “swallowed up” by the neocons or that he has betrayed his supporters?!?!

    Trump is a man who has no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything. As many well know, he can be swayed by the slightest breeze of dissent. He is a spineless, stupid moron who is a reflection of how corrupt and degenerate the US political system has come. And efficiency is hardly the byproduct of such a system so stop whining about Trump’s lack of capacity to have a single original thought in his head as a result of external forces. And that goes ditto for all this talk about US leadership all gung-ho on starting a war with Russia.

    As to starting WWIII, I think Mike is sensationalizing this way out of proportion. First off, NATO commanders themselves have openly admitted they cannot deal with the modern Russian military and the US military forces as they stand now are hardly in any position to take on a major contender such as the Russian Federation. Our troops are spread across the globe in hundreds of military bases all causing mayhem whenever the chance is afforded them (most likely not to the support of many of the rank and file), with most being exhausted from continuous combat and hardship deployments. US Special Forces have become the in-thing so emphasis has been made in building such units up way beyond their capabilities and their mission parameters. And US military hardware has become the laughing stock of the world.

    So tell me, exactly what type of army is the US going to bring to bear against Russian Forces?

    US political leadership hasn’t done anything to put action where their mouths are and this is the reason we have a clueless idiot like Haley at the UN.

    Please, already. The Russians have been preparing for such a possibility for a very long time and they are hardly going to be caught with their pants down.

    What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs. Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington. It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also.

    This will be a very swift police action that will leave the US headless allowing the States to take more authority to work out the subsequent issues.

    If anyone has been following the military developments in Russia then they know that Russia’s intelligence agencies have not been asleep at the wheel and this type of police action is the only thing that will save Earth from a devastating conflict started by a bunch of whiny playground bullies…

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    I'm going to repeat this because I love the sound of it...[almost musical really...]

    '...What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also...'
     

    Wow...

    I certainly have no idea where to even begin trying to unpack this hypothetical scenario and its plausibility...[however desirable it may seem]...

    But I will give you this...it is certainly a very novel and completely asymmetrical concept...[totally out of the box...to use that well worn cliche...]

    Could it work...?

    I have no idea...

    Would the Russians even consider it...?

    Again...no idea...

    But...if they do have such an idea planned and the manpower in position...then possibly...but only in the case of definitive intel that says US is planning massive nuclear first strike...

    , @anonymous

    Trump is a man who has no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything.
     
    About anything? Hyperbole much?

    The orange tub-o-lard worships at the altar of that Demon Religion called White Supremacy.

    Hardly... "no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything."
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  86. @annamaria
    The Skripal affair.
    The zionized US had send an order to the zionized UK and the poodling Mrs. May obliged. She went into hysterical mode and a chorus of the easy-virtue parliamentarians rushed to join Mrs. May. She issued a mad battle cry against Russia. No facts are involved. The UK does not do facts (see "Sir" Saville affair). Gavin Williamson -- a spectacular ignoramus in everything but in selling the ceramic countertops and fireplaces -- who leads today the UK Defence (no military experience required, of course) decided to show himself a big man and squealed out something so ridiculous that even the UK press has noticed as cute and inappropriate.
    Here is what we need to know about very bad Russians that are allegedly poisoning people in the UK: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    "The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the 'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him about the recent incident: Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.
    "Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy." The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon. "Russia did it", says Mirzanyanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".
    One more time, "Russia did it", says Mirzanyanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".
    Could it be the CIA that read the book and then awarded the poor Tatar man with a $1 million home in the United States?
    And how come that we hear nothing about Paul Klebnikov, Michael Hastings, and Seth Rich but hear a lot about these four scoundrels? -- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-14/fatal-quad-who-assassinating-mi6-assets-british-soil
    "Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Serezovsky, Chechen leader Ahmed Zakaev, and the hired-gun writer Yury Felshtinsky celebrating Berezovsky’s 60th birthday in London, Jan 2006."
    PS: If the UK secret services want to talk history, here is a history for them:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550472/Police-cover-Saviles-claims-friends-Queens-cousin-Paedophile-claimed-visited-school-Princess-Alexandra.html
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/thwarted-savile-whistleblower-write-book-9774952

    Agree, and it is my opinion that the Skripal affair was done by MI6.

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    It is the level of depravity, stupidity, and indecency shown by the banksters' puppets May e al, which is stunning. Their unification against a voice of reason: https://www.rt.com/uk/421436-skripal-skepticism-salisbury-novichok/
    "Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn stood in Parliament and posed a series of questions: “Has the prime minister taken necessary steps under the Chemical Weapons Convention to make a formal request for evidence from Russian government under Article 9.2? Has high-resolution trace analysis been run on a sample of the nerve agent that revealed any evidence as to the location of its production or identity of its perpetrators?” He went on: “And while suspending high-level contacts, does the prime minister agree it is essential to maintain a robust dialogue with Russia?” Corbyn’s request for further details on the evidence united the British Parliament... against him."
    More: https://www.rt.com/news/421396-nerve-agent-europe-use-skripal/
    "A joint statement by the UK, US, France, and Germany says the poisoning of ex-double agent Sergei Skripal was a violation of Britain’s sovereignty by Russia and was the first offensive use of a chemical agent since World War II."
    -- Well, UK, US, France, and Germany -- have you heard about certain Mr. Rumsfield and his sale of nerve gas to certain Mr. Saddam Hussein? -- No? The onset of dementia?
    Someone needs to inform the squealing globalists: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    “The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who ‘blew the whistle’ and wrote about the ‘Novichoks’, now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. ““Russia did it”, says Mirzanyanov, “OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK”.
    , @renfro
    Or Mossad.
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  87. FB says:
    @Randal

    As for the rest of the story…there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US…
     
    Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter).

    The present signs seem to me to indicate that propaganda is being geared up for an attack on Syria, much as I remember being done in the case of past intended acts of US military aggression, especially Iraq in 2003 and the foiled attempt to attack Syria in 2013. Will it happen? Is it all some kind of bluff (and if so, to what end?) Who knows?

    Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the "reality based community" - they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks - in Pompeo's case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran. These are the same kinds of people that brought us the catastrophically stupid invasion of Iraq and they are quite capable of bringing us an even more disastrous attack on Syria. And, in fairness to the neocon lunatics, it's even not impossible that Russia might choose not to respond directly to even a quite substantial US attack, as they chose to ignore the previous attack last year. The Russians might not like it, but sometimes you have to accept what you dislike. That's the grownup, as opposed to American, approach to life.

    ‘…Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter)…’

    I never pretended to present some kind of ‘analysis’…[an important sounding buzzword that is devoid of meaning...except in its proper context of mathematics...]

    I stated an opinion

    And as Shamir recently said…only history will prove it right or wrong…

    Incidentally…and unrelated to this disagreement…today we have news that thousands of civilians have left East Ghouta…

    This means that the agit-prop offensive…including MSM saturation of disinfo demonizing the Russians and Syrian govt…has conclusively failed…

    The MSM narrative of just a few days ago stands in stark contrast to what those thousands of civilians are now telling even Western reporters…

    We note also the calm and systematic manner in which the SAA supported by Russian air power have proceeded with Operation Damascus Steel in the midst of that huge US led propaganda offensive…including circus grandstanding at the UNSC by gypsy queen N. Haley…

    So many threats…so little time to count them all…

    And when all is said and done the Russians take care of business…while those mighty ‘threats’ are once again proved to be approximations of the flatuses emanating from the rear end of my Irish setter…

    Make your own ‘analysis’…

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    FB

    I find the lengthy and intense discussions between you and Comrade Andrie fascinating-interesting.....But at the end of the day...one minute before midnight the new reset on the clock.......it doesn’t answer the really big question:The probability of a shooting war in Syria between the Christian Russian Military and the homosexual pedophile-pederast-anti-Christian American Military...

    What worries me the most:The Russian Military and the degenerate US Military ACCIDENTALLY stumbling into each other in Syria...


    A scary thought:Donald Trump orders a decapitating cruise missile strike on Assad and his inner circle....five minutes later..... Donald enjoys a slice of Melania’s scrumptious chocolate cake....or perhaps a dip into the filthy toilet bowl between Niki Haley’s legs...


    Jump into this discussion Andrie...

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  88. ValmMond says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

    The war has already started. The current propaganda is just an effort to convince Americans that this war is a defensive one. Step by step, people with power have steered your fellow Americans to the love of war through loud lies, disinformation, distraction, vice and porn.
    Worse, your media and dominant culture have created an alternatively reality, most of us now comfortably inhabit.

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  89. FB says:
    @Steve Naidamast
    What is all this nonsense about Trump being "swallowed up" by the neocons or that he has betrayed his supporters?!?!

    Trump is a man who has no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything. As many well know, he can be swayed by the slightest breeze of dissent. He is a spineless, stupid moron who is a reflection of how corrupt and degenerate the US political system has come. And efficiency is hardly the byproduct of such a system so stop whining about Trump's lack of capacity to have a single original thought in his head as a result of external forces. And that goes ditto for all this talk about US leadership all gung-ho on starting a war with Russia.

    As to starting WWIII, I think Mike is sensationalizing this way out of proportion. First off, NATO commanders themselves have openly admitted they cannot deal with the modern Russian military and the US military forces as they stand now are hardly in any position to take on a major contender such as the Russian Federation. Our troops are spread across the globe in hundreds of military bases all causing mayhem whenever the chance is afforded them (most likely not to the support of many of the rank and file), with most being exhausted from continuous combat and hardship deployments. US Special Forces have become the in-thing so emphasis has been made in building such units up way beyond their capabilities and their mission parameters. And US military hardware has become the laughing stock of the world.

    So tell me, exactly what type of army is the US going to bring to bear against Russian Forces?

    US political leadership hasn't done anything to put action where their mouths are and this is the reason we have a clueless idiot like Haley at the UN.

    Please, already. The Russians have been preparing for such a possibility for a very long time and they are hardly going to be caught with their pants down.

    What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs. Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington. It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also.

    This will be a very swift police action that will leave the US headless allowing the States to take more authority to work out the subsequent issues.

    If anyone has been following the military developments in Russia then they know that Russia's intelligence agencies have not been asleep at the wheel and this type of police action is the only thing that will save Earth from a devastating conflict started by a bunch of whiny playground bullies...

    I’m going to repeat this because I love the sound of it…[almost musical really...]

    ‘…What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also…’

    Wow…

    I certainly have no idea where to even begin trying to unpack this hypothetical scenario and its plausibility…[however desirable it may seem]…

    But I will give you this…it is certainly a very novel and completely asymmetrical concept…[totally out of the box...to use that well worn cliche...]

    Could it work…?

    I have no idea…

    Would the Russians even consider it…?

    Again…no idea…

    But…if they do have such an idea planned and the manpower in position…then possibly…but only in the case of definitive intel that says US is planning massive nuclear first strike…

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    You realize he just described the perfect false flag. That would allow the deep state to purge the trump administration and other useless politicians and enrage US citizens in one shot. If it wasn't a shooting war by then it certainly would be shortly after.
    , @renfro

    ‘…What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also…’

     

    I think this scenario of his is improbable . But what isn't and what Russian operatives could easily do is removed the under pinnings ........iow , take out/disappear about 2 to 3 dozen certain individuals in the shadow government and foreign influence field and leave it leaderless and paranoid.

    Then remove the people serving as ego support for the insecure and narcissistic Trump and getting to direct his policy in exchange and he will wither and drool his way out.

    Then suicide/accident the chain of succession for President all the way down to congress.

    The pattern of disappearing certain people should be a sufficient enough clue to the remaining politicos and deep state that whoever rises to command from congress will have gotten the message that to play master of the universe is to disappear forever.

    This actually should be done by a team of Americans.

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  91. @FB

    '...Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter)...'
     
    I never pretended to present some kind of 'analysis'...[an important sounding buzzword that is devoid of meaning...except in its proper context of mathematics...]

    I stated an opinion...

    And as Shamir recently said...only history will prove it right or wrong...

    Incidentally...and unrelated to this disagreement...today we have news that thousands of civilians have left East Ghouta...

    This means that the agit-prop offensive...including MSM saturation of disinfo demonizing the Russians and Syrian govt...has conclusively failed...

    The MSM narrative of just a few days ago stands in stark contrast to what those thousands of civilians are now telling even Western reporters...

    We note also the calm and systematic manner in which the SAA supported by Russian air power have proceeded with Operation Damascus Steel in the midst of that huge US led propaganda offensive...including circus grandstanding at the UNSC by gypsy queen N. Haley...

    So many threats...so little time to count them all...

    And when all is said and done the Russians take care of business...while those mighty 'threats' are once again proved to be approximations of the flatuses emanating from the rear end of my Irish setter...

    Make your own 'analysis'...

    FB

    I find the lengthy and intense discussions between you and Comrade Andrie fascinating-interesting…..But at the end of the day…one minute before midnight the new reset on the clock…….it doesn’t answer the really big question:The probability of a shooting war in Syria between the Christian Russian Military and the homosexual pedophile-pederast-anti-Christian American Military…

    What worries me the most:The Russian Military and the degenerate US Military ACCIDENTALLY stumbling into each other in Syria…

    A scary thought:Donald Trump orders a decapitating cruise missile strike on Assad and his inner circle….five minutes later….. Donald enjoys a slice of Melania’s scrumptious chocolate cake….or perhaps a dip into the filthy toilet bowl between Niki Haley’s legs…

    Jump into this discussion Andrie…

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    '...Donald Trump orders a decapitating cruise missile strike on Assad and his inner circle...'
     
    Not worried about that in the least...

    Even a massive cruise missile strike has no chance of getting through...not this time...

    Russians have been well prepared for defending the homeland against nuclear tipped Tomahawks for decades...

    Cruise missiles can be easily shot down by the Pantsir S mobile short range SAM...as well as by fighter aircraft...

    Electronic warfare and air defenses have been made quite ready for any such stupidity...ever since that ineffective T-hawk strike on Shayrat...

    Russian chief of staff Gen Gerasimov has clearly stated that any attack on Syria will be met by force...and also against the 'delivery means'...which means any USN ship may have to answer to Mr. Kinzhal [Mach 10]...

    ...not to mention Mr. Kh32 [M5]...Mr. Kh15 [M5] etc...

    D. Dump may be coughing up his chocolat in a hurry if he acts as dumb as he talks...
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  92. Alfred says:
    @Quartermaster
    The supposed "rhyme" doesn't exist in this situation. WW1 was precipitated by Russia's support of Serbia against Austria-Hungary's threats. The balance of power was so lopsided that Serbia didn't stand a chance. Russia had assumed the mantle of protector of other Eastern Orthodox countries, and so the alliances came into play that drug Germany, France and the UK into the war.

    In this case, this is simply a mouse roaring. If there is a country weaker than Russia, it's the UK. I seriously doubt there is much that May can do that would be a serious threat to Putin's regime, and he will brush it off like anyone would brush of a mosquito.

    That is the fake version. In reality, the AngloZionists were trying to start a war with Germany for decades before that. They made an ally out of Russia – against the wishes of the populace – and made an enemy of Germany – against the wishes of the populace.

    Belgium was not a neutral country – the British had planned how to move their army there with the cooperation of the Belgians.

    Germany- like Russia today – was not beligerant. After the war, the archives of the German Foreign ministry were moved to the USA to be never seen again.

    Read

    “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War”

    http://amzn.com/1780576307

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  93. annamaria says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Agree, and it is my opinion that the Skripal affair was done by MI6.

    It is the level of depravity, stupidity, and indecency shown by the banksters’ puppets May e al, which is stunning. Their unification against a voice of reason: https://www.rt.com/uk/421436-skripal-skepticism-salisbury-novichok/
    “Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn stood in Parliament and posed a series of questions: “Has the prime minister taken necessary steps under the Chemical Weapons Convention to make a formal request for evidence from Russian government under Article 9.2? Has high-resolution trace analysis been run on a sample of the nerve agent that revealed any evidence as to the location of its production or identity of its perpetrators?” He went on: “And while suspending high-level contacts, does the prime minister agree it is essential to maintain a robust dialogue with Russia?” Corbyn’s request for further details on the evidence united the British Parliament… against him.”
    More: https://www.rt.com/news/421396-nerve-agent-europe-use-skripal/
    “A joint statement by the UK, US, France, and Germany says the poisoning of ex-double agent Sergei Skripal was a violation of Britain’s sovereignty by Russia and was the first offensive use of a chemical agent since World War II.”
    – Well, UK, US, France, and Germany — have you heard about certain Mr. Rumsfield and his sale of nerve gas to certain Mr. Saddam Hussein? — No? The onset of dementia?
    Someone needs to inform the squealing globalists: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    “The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who ‘blew the whistle’ and wrote about the ‘Novichoks’, now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. ““Russia did it”, says Mirzanyanov, “OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK”.

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    Agree, Britain and the U.S. and Germany are all under zionist control and the result will be the war against Russia and Iran which will destroy the U.S. and Britain and Germany and Israel and also Russia and then maybe the zionist neocon warmongers will at last be satisfied.

    Please read The Protocols of Zion.
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  94. The war has already started.

    ZUSA’s wars, which they blame on everyone else, for world domination never ended.

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  95. @Randal

    As for the rest of the story…there will not be any attack on either Syria, Iran or North Korea by the US…
     
    Such certainty is not plausibly a feature of analysis of a situation as politically and militarily complicated as Syria (or Iran or NK, for that matter).

    The present signs seem to me to indicate that propaganda is being geared up for an attack on Syria, much as I remember being done in the case of past intended acts of US military aggression, especially Iraq in 2003 and the foiled attempt to attack Syria in 2013. Will it happen? Is it all some kind of bluff (and if so, to what end?) Who knows?

    Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the "reality based community" - they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks - in Pompeo's case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran. These are the same kinds of people that brought us the catastrophically stupid invasion of Iraq and they are quite capable of bringing us an even more disastrous attack on Syria. And, in fairness to the neocon lunatics, it's even not impossible that Russia might choose not to respond directly to even a quite substantial US attack, as they chose to ignore the previous attack last year. The Russians might not like it, but sometimes you have to accept what you dislike. That's the grownup, as opposed to American, approach to life.

    “Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the “reality based community” – they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks – in Pompeo’s case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran.”

    Exactly. I would describe these people as being “demon possessed”; that is to say, there is no satisfactory “worldly” explanation for their outrageous behavior.

    Take Trump for example. Here’s a wealthy man with an attractive wife, still has decent physical health (as far as we know), etc., basically he has everything going for him in a worldly/materialistic sense, yet with all he has to lose, he nevertheless flirts with planetary extinction. Why?

    In order to try to “understand” why these people are doing what they’re doing, I posit the existence of a “spiritual” component of human behavior, and a “spiritual realm”, in which originate the spiritual forces of “good” and “evil”, which modulate human behavior.

    At first glance this may seem like a strange concept, but it’s analogous to the physical realm with its fundamental forces; i.e., gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and strong nuclear forces.

    For example, even though the physical force of gravity cannot be directly “seen”, Newton was nevertheless able to understand the basic features of the force and conceive his Law of Universal Gravitation by observing the effect of gravity on bodies that have mass, and doing some reasoning. Likewise, it seems to me that it’s possible to understand some features of the spiritual forces of “good” and “evil” by observing the effects of these forces on bodies that have spirit. (And the analogy can be further extended IMO, to include the concepts of “fields” and “energy”).

    Anyway, that so many evil people, doing and proposing to do so many inexplicably evil and ultimately self-destructive things, have risen to the top, in practically every influential country in the “West”, seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon.

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    I posit the existence of a “spiritual” component of human behavior, ...

    the physical realm with its fundamental forces ...

    seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon
     

    For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam's razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.

    'Spiritual' is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 relating to or affecting the human spirit as opposed to material or physical things.
    2 relating to religion or religious belief.

    So too 'supernatural' is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature

    Lastly here, belief
    [COED:] noun
    1 an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. a firmly held opinion or conviction. a religious conviction.

    Now consider conviction (belief) vs. conclusion (observations + logic).

    Coming to "the physical realm with its fundamental forces," at 'normal' energies [23°C, say, 1 bar pressure, 1g gravity = 'where we live'], there is only 'normal' matter = protons, neutrons, electrons and photons. No need to go to neutrinos [from the 'fusion-heart' of our Sun], let alone quarks&Co.

    Somebody queried 'are there laws in nature?' - To which one can say [as Newton did with gravity], there are observations which may give rise to equations, some of these observations when made repeatedly may transform the equations into 'law-like' rules. One such subset are the conservation laws, 'best' example here is the 'law' of conservation of matter/energy = can neither be made nor destroyed. AFAIK, *NO* observation has ever contradicted that 'best' example.

    So what, you ask? Well, anything supernatural would violate that law [by definition] - but there is, as said *no* contradictory evidence, so for me at least, supernatural is 'out,' for this simple reason: Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit 'circular' - but that's just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for “spiritual.”

    Ta ra! A 'rational' alternative: 'Normal' people can observe, feel and think - the latter after 'the age of reason,' that is. Before that, in kindergarten, say, they have to learn, sometimes painfully, such 'hard' rules like: "Don't touch things not yours!" - "Don't hit anybody!"

    Then a bit later on, people start thinking [hopefully clearly] and start to make 'practical rules of life,' number one may be "Do unto others ..." [far more than 2k years old] and number two "Do no harm," a) as a corollary and b) to cater for possible self-harmers.

    Note that these two life-rules are 1) logical and 2) based on actual experience; I don't want anybody to steal my toys or beat me up, etc..

    Some people never learn such rules, or at least violate them continually; next ta ra! Psychopaths.

    There's my *simpler* explanation for:


    so many evil people, ..., have risen to the top
     
    Birds of a feather flock together.

    PS As well as being psychopaths, it is alleged that the 'top-evils' are dominated by zioCons [involving Judaism] and/or Straussians.

    IMHO that completes a valid "Ah ha!" rgds

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  96. Wally says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump's North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    As if Hillary and her Syria no-fly zone would have been better, among many other things.

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  97. Ximenes says:

    Iran won’t be like Iraq. Syria won’t be like Libya. Russia won’t be like Serbia.

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    Russia won’t be like Serbia.
     
    Russia has a terrifying and inhumane super weapon--a ballistic missile called Syzran. Once launched it releases a huge number of MIRVs which upon impact turn the target city into... Syzran. Can you imagine this horror of seeing NYC being turned into... Syzran.;-)

    http://ymtram.mashke.org/russia/syzran/photos/syzr22020.jpg

    On the other hand, many Russian small cities have been improving as of lately. And Syzran could be really lovely in Summer.
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  98. @annamaria
    It is the level of depravity, stupidity, and indecency shown by the banksters' puppets May e al, which is stunning. Their unification against a voice of reason: https://www.rt.com/uk/421436-skripal-skepticism-salisbury-novichok/
    "Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn stood in Parliament and posed a series of questions: “Has the prime minister taken necessary steps under the Chemical Weapons Convention to make a formal request for evidence from Russian government under Article 9.2? Has high-resolution trace analysis been run on a sample of the nerve agent that revealed any evidence as to the location of its production or identity of its perpetrators?” He went on: “And while suspending high-level contacts, does the prime minister agree it is essential to maintain a robust dialogue with Russia?” Corbyn’s request for further details on the evidence united the British Parliament... against him."
    More: https://www.rt.com/news/421396-nerve-agent-europe-use-skripal/
    "A joint statement by the UK, US, France, and Germany says the poisoning of ex-double agent Sergei Skripal was a violation of Britain’s sovereignty by Russia and was the first offensive use of a chemical agent since World War II."
    -- Well, UK, US, France, and Germany -- have you heard about certain Mr. Rumsfield and his sale of nerve gas to certain Mr. Saddam Hussein? -- No? The onset of dementia?
    Someone needs to inform the squealing globalists: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html#more
    “The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who ‘blew the whistle’ and wrote about the ‘Novichoks’, now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. ““Russia did it”, says Mirzanyanov, “OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK”.

    Agree, Britain and the U.S. and Germany are all under zionist control and the result will be the war against Russia and Iran which will destroy the U.S. and Britain and Germany and Israel and also Russia and then maybe the zionist neocon warmongers will at last be satisfied.

    Please read The Protocols of Zion.

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    Read the Oded Yinon Plan. Research Khazaria and the Khazars and the Black Pope and Jesuit army.
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  99. @Ximenes
    Iran won't be like Iraq. Syria won't be like Libya. Russia won't be like Serbia.

    Russia won’t be like Serbia.

    Russia has a terrifying and inhumane super weapon–a ballistic missile called Syzran. Once launched it releases a huge number of MIRVs which upon impact turn the target city into… Syzran. Can you imagine this horror of seeing NYC being turned into… Syzran.;-)

    On the other hand, many Russian small cities have been improving as of lately. And Syzran could be really lovely in Summer.

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    In the US, there are the full of diversity and non-enclaved areas Baltimore, Detroit, Birmingham, Camden, Memphis, St. Louis...
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  100. @Carlton Meyer
    Correction: John Bolton was never an official UN Ambassador.

    George W. Bush nominated him, but he failed confirmation hearings by the majority Republican US Senate. Bush installed him as a temporary acting ambassador using the recess appointment loophole, but that is only good for one year, then Bolton left. I doubt Trump is foolish enough to appointment Bolton, who is even more a psychopath than McMaster. This idea is promoted by the necocon friendly media hoping to fool Trump.

    Trump's North Korean breakthrough is interesting. It means one of four things:

    1. He is really a crafty dealer and fooled everyone. Trump will cut a peace deal and win great national and worldwide applause. All the North Koreans demand to give up nuclear testing is a peace treaty and an end to American military exercises near North Korea. The American army should move all forces south of Seoul, as promised over a decade ago.

    2. The bombing of North Korea will begin this year and peace talks are just a ruse to show he tried.

    3. Iran is the real target and the neocons want to cool off the North Korean threat to focus warfighting assets in the Middle East.

    4. Trump is nuts and no one knows what comes next, including Trump!

    Bolton got shoehorned into the UN to do one job. He did it, of course, because Mossad cutouts blackmailed his ass for CIA. If Bolton had failed, we would all be watching his Plato’s Retreat sex tapes on the Youtubes, and you can’t unsee that kind of floundering limp-dick shit.

    Bolton’s job was to obstruct the drafting of the World Summit Outcome to keep the word ‘impunity’ out of the rule of law section. He did it by submitting 700 amendments until the word was excised. The CIA regime that runs the USA can’t exist otherwise. The US government is a criminal enterprise, as Francis Boyle says, implicated with overwhelming evidence and US official statements against interest. Nothing matters for the US government but getting away with it.

    CIA has impunity in municipal law but the world is not having it. NCS and the top three echelons are provably implicated in universal-jurisdiction crimes against humanity and crimes against peace. The vice is clamping down on the CIA’s nuts but Bolton will feel it first.

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  101. Art says:

    False Flag — False Flag! Oh no’ not a chemical weapon! Two people may die. How dare Putin?

    Is this not like the chemical attack in Syria. Day one, the US government warns Assad “do not use chemical weapons” Day three, a minor chemical attack happens – the whole J-MSM Western world dumps on Assad (with no proof).

    Same thing – there is no proof that Russia did this assassination. “It was a Russian nerve agent” — really – the MI-6, CIA, and Mossad cannot produce nerve agents? Where the Russians so desperate to kill this guy, that would kill his Russian daughter also? Hmm?

    Even if true – with all the government induced death in the world, does this event (killing its own citizens) deserve kicking Russia off the UN Security Council.

    Sorry, we all must know that this is manufactured outrage. Who benefits?

    Jews are making their move to take down Putin and Russia. Putin is in their way in Syria. He must be eliminated. He is in their way on their plans to take out Iran. Greater Israel and the PNAC marches on!

    Think Peace — Art

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    "The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam," by Craig Murray
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/
    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW. [The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague]
    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians."

    The incident took place in Salisbury, not far from Porton Down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down
    "Porton Down is a United Kingdom science park near Salisbury, in Wiltshire, England. It is a site of the Ministry of Defence's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) – known for over 100 years as one of the UK's most secretive and controversial military research facilities, occupying 7,000 acres..."

    , @Art
    Mr. Trump --- back off --- you are surrounding yourself with geopolitical bullies. Do not fall into the trap of preventive war. Do not become the hard-ass war swamp.

    Just because you have the military power behind you, it does not mean that you must use it.

    You do not have to push everything to the brink of disaster. Most things take time to be resolved.

    If you take actions that get people killed and it leads to a war – then all that blood is on YOUR hands – PERIOD!

    Go with your intuitive self as a private American citizen. Those instincts were against war. You were against the Iraq War – be against an Syria/Iran War.

    You are being sucked into an all-powerful big government swamp mentality - stay true to yourself.

    Think Peace ---- Art
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  102. FB says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    FB

    I find the lengthy and intense discussions between you and Comrade Andrie fascinating-interesting.....But at the end of the day...one minute before midnight the new reset on the clock.......it doesn’t answer the really big question:The probability of a shooting war in Syria between the Christian Russian Military and the homosexual pedophile-pederast-anti-Christian American Military...

    What worries me the most:The Russian Military and the degenerate US Military ACCIDENTALLY stumbling into each other in Syria...


    A scary thought:Donald Trump orders a decapitating cruise missile strike on Assad and his inner circle....five minutes later..... Donald enjoys a slice of Melania’s scrumptious chocolate cake....or perhaps a dip into the filthy toilet bowl between Niki Haley’s legs...


    Jump into this discussion Andrie...

    ‘…Donald Trump orders a decapitating cruise missile strike on Assad and his inner circle…’

    Not worried about that in the least…

    Even a massive cruise missile strike has no chance of getting through…not this time…

    Russians have been well prepared for defending the homeland against nuclear tipped Tomahawks for decades…

    Cruise missiles can be easily shot down by the Pantsir S mobile short range SAM…as well as by fighter aircraft…

    Electronic warfare and air defenses have been made quite ready for any such stupidity…ever since that ineffective T-hawk strike on Shayrat…

    Russian chief of staff Gen Gerasimov has clearly stated that any attack on Syria will be met by force…and also against the ‘delivery means’…which means any USN ship may have to answer to Mr. Kinzhal [Mach 10]…

    …not to mention Mr. Kh32 [M5]…Mr. Kh15 [M5] etc…

    D. Dump may be coughing up his chocolat in a hurry if he acts as dumb as he talks…

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  103. annamaria says:

    The ziocons, banksters, and MIC have eliminated all principled and honest politicians on the senior positions in the US’ and the UK’ governments. This is why the same ziocons, banksters, and MIC are facing today an annihilation from various kinds of weaponry ready to respond to the bold declarations and acts of the ziocons’, banksters’, and MIC’ puppets. The deep state has got its wish of having the pliable “people servants” in the US Congress, the UK parliament, and the EU’s governments. The “deciders” entertain a complete control over the “elected leaders.” But the leaders are incompetent and opportunistic and corrupt, which could mean a death knell for the “deciders” — and the humankind at large. The process of selection of such “leaders” as the UK Secretary of Def. Gavin Williamson, NATO’ Jens Stoltenberg, and the US’ Nikki Haley, was aking to selecting a surgeon and a plumber for their ideological purity and sycophancy exclusively; no competence and no human decency required.

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  104. Tom Gregg says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Maybe I am an optimist, but my impression is that the US elites are not as dumb as they appear. Remember Trump and others in his entourage threatened to bomb North Korea many times, repeatedly sailed aircraft carrier groups to Korea, lost two airplanes, and now came down to Earth and promise talks with Kim. It stands to reason that the anti-Syrian bluster will end the same way. The US will use its usual tactics: issue threats, then declare victory and leave. It might seem undignified, but it’s a lot more sensible than starting a war with Russia.

    If Russia gives in on Syria then next will be Iran. Then perhaps Turkey and Pakistan….and then Russia herself. Don’t think Russia will be backing down here.

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    Anon from TN
    I guess Putin understands that. Although he tries to scare the US off, so that he does not need to sink an aircraft carrier. It might come to that, though.
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  105. ValmMond says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia won’t be like Serbia.
     
    Russia has a terrifying and inhumane super weapon--a ballistic missile called Syzran. Once launched it releases a huge number of MIRVs which upon impact turn the target city into... Syzran. Can you imagine this horror of seeing NYC being turned into... Syzran.;-)

    http://ymtram.mashke.org/russia/syzran/photos/syzr22020.jpg

    On the other hand, many Russian small cities have been improving as of lately. And Syzran could be really lovely in Summer.

    In the US, there are the full of diversity and non-enclaved areas Baltimore, Detroit, Birmingham, Camden, Memphis, St. Louis…

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    In the US, there are the full of diversity and non-enclaved areas Baltimore, Detroit, Birmingham, Camden, Memphis, St. Louis…
     
    I knew something like your response was coming and I agree, the US has one of the worst ghettos and rundown communities in the world and I am not talking about Detroit. There are almost entirely white communities also which look like an aftermath of a nuclear war. Many places are down right creepy. Taking 101 down to California, especially north of SF--man, some really depressing shit.
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  106. annamaria says:
    @Art
    False Flag --- False Flag! Oh no’ not a chemical weapon! Two people may die. How dare Putin?

    Is this not like the chemical attack in Syria. Day one, the US government warns Assad “do not use chemical weapons” Day three, a minor chemical attack happens – the whole J-MSM Western world dumps on Assad (with no proof).

    Same thing – there is no proof that Russia did this assassination. “It was a Russian nerve agent” --- really – the MI-6, CIA, and Mossad cannot produce nerve agents? Where the Russians so desperate to kill this guy, that would kill his Russian daughter also? Hmm?

    Even if true – with all the government induced death in the world, does this event (killing its own citizens) deserve kicking Russia off the UN Security Council.

    Sorry, we all must know that this is manufactured outrage. Who benefits?

    Jews are making their move to take down Putin and Russia. Putin is in their way in Syria. He must be eliminated. He is in their way on their plans to take out Iran. Greater Israel and the PNAC marches on!

    Think Peace --- Art

    “The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam,” by Craig Murray

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW. [The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague]
    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.”

    The incident took place in Salisbury, not far from Porton Down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down
    “Porton Down is a United Kingdom science park near Salisbury, in Wiltshire, England. It is a site of the Ministry of Defence’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) – known for over 100 years as one of the UK’s most secretive and controversial military research facilities, occupying 7,000 acres…”

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  107. @ValmMond
    In the US, there are the full of diversity and non-enclaved areas Baltimore, Detroit, Birmingham, Camden, Memphis, St. Louis...

    In the US, there are the full of diversity and non-enclaved areas Baltimore, Detroit, Birmingham, Camden, Memphis, St. Louis…

    I knew something like your response was coming and I agree, the US has one of the worst ghettos and rundown communities in the world and I am not talking about Detroit. There are almost entirely white communities also which look like an aftermath of a nuclear war. Many places are down right creepy. Taking 101 down to California, especially north of SF–man, some really depressing shit.

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  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    I'm going to repeat this because I love the sound of it...[almost musical really...]

    '...What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also...'
     

    Wow...

    I certainly have no idea where to even begin trying to unpack this hypothetical scenario and its plausibility...[however desirable it may seem]...

    But I will give you this...it is certainly a very novel and completely asymmetrical concept...[totally out of the box...to use that well worn cliche...]

    Could it work...?

    I have no idea...

    Would the Russians even consider it...?

    Again...no idea...

    But...if they do have such an idea planned and the manpower in position...then possibly...but only in the case of definitive intel that says US is planning massive nuclear first strike...

    You realize he just described the perfect false flag. That would allow the deep state to purge the trump administration and other useless politicians and enrage US citizens in one shot. If it wasn’t a shooting war by then it certainly would be shortly after.

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    the perfect false flag
     
    Why would it be, or have to be, a false flag? All the military types ever seem to talk about is

    'the oh, so honourable soldier'
     
    Yet it is all these 'honourable soldiers' who have been doing the US/Z's mass murdering [including H&N]. Why can't these so-called 'honourable soldiers' actually *get honourable* - just for the once, maybe, and remove the cancer infecting the US, from the president down through the Congress and through the 'revolving doors?'

    Recall that the inside-job 9/11 also attacked the Pentagon.

    Bah; a pox on all so-called 'honourable soldiers.' rgds

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  109. Art says:
    @Art
    False Flag --- False Flag! Oh no’ not a chemical weapon! Two people may die. How dare Putin?

    Is this not like the chemical attack in Syria. Day one, the US government warns Assad “do not use chemical weapons” Day three, a minor chemical attack happens – the whole J-MSM Western world dumps on Assad (with no proof).

    Same thing – there is no proof that Russia did this assassination. “It was a Russian nerve agent” --- really – the MI-6, CIA, and Mossad cannot produce nerve agents? Where the Russians so desperate to kill this guy, that would kill his Russian daughter also? Hmm?

    Even if true – with all the government induced death in the world, does this event (killing its own citizens) deserve kicking Russia off the UN Security Council.

    Sorry, we all must know that this is manufactured outrage. Who benefits?

    Jews are making their move to take down Putin and Russia. Putin is in their way in Syria. He must be eliminated. He is in their way on their plans to take out Iran. Greater Israel and the PNAC marches on!

    Think Peace --- Art

    Mr. Trump — back off — you are surrounding yourself with geopolitical bullies. Do not fall into the trap of preventive war. Do not become the hard-ass war swamp.

    Just because you have the military power behind you, it does not mean that you must use it.

    You do not have to push everything to the brink of disaster. Most things take time to be resolved.

    If you take actions that get people killed and it leads to a war – then all that blood is on YOUR hands – PERIOD!

    Go with your intuitive self as a private American citizen. Those instincts were against war. You were against the Iraq War – be against an Syria/Iran War.

    You are being sucked into an all-powerful big government swamp mentality – stay true to yourself.

    Think Peace —- Art

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  110. Red says:
    @bluedog
    The Russians will have a field day against our troops made up of queers gays and those dancing off to battle in their red pumps....

    I’m thinking the Skripal gambit, is seeking to ‘legitamise’ the use of CWs’; genre, “they did it to us we can do it back to them”. We don’t know what ‘allied’ have in their missile warheads but we know they have a string of dedicated sites in E. Europe,and I wonder why? I would hope it is not so but who trusts these people anymore. P.s., I am a retired manual worker, that’s all, and I would like to clear this query out of my head.

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    Let May and Johnson hang dry, the laughing stock they are: "The British Government is “Talking War With Russia”: The Mysterious Skripal Incident - Another Anti-Russian Provocation" https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-british-government-is-talking-war-with-russia-the-mysterious-skripal-incident-another-anti-russian-provocation/5631606
    The article was written before the Brits decided to use some Russian-sound word (see the traitorous Dm. Alperovitch using the same trick when suddenly discovering "Rissian hacking" on DNC computers).
    "To add to the mystery the British government refuses to name the alleged nerve agent. To create more drama the British Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, stated that it was not Sarin or VX but something “very rare.” I think we can expect that they will choose the right dramatic moment to name something and state that only Russian labs can make it. That is their modus operandi. They certainly do not want to state that VX was involved since VX was developed in 1952 at Porton Down near the sight of the incident; for that would lead to necessary investigations into security at that facility and whether personnel there were involved. However, despite the fact that Porton Down is in the business of manufacturing chemical warfare agents including nerve agents and that logic would dictate that the Porton Down authorities would be barred from being investigators into a case in which they could be involved the British government immediately assigned Porton Down to identify the substance that might have been used.
    That the Russians may be correct that this incident is another NATO arranged provocation must be seriously considered. Despite the fact there is no evidence whatsoever that Russia had anything to do with this incident, the British government was quick to label Russia as the villain of the piece and the mass media dutifully acted in lockstep and put out the word. Boris Johnson called Russia a “malign and disruptive force..." ... The Skripal incident also brings to mind the death of Dr. David Kelly in 2003 whose mysterious death in woods near his home, was officially attributed to “suicide.” He is thought by many to have been assassinated by the British secret services and CIA to keep him from revealing secrets about the war in Iraq. He worked at Porton Down as head of microbiology. He, in turn, is connected to other scientists at Porton Down who have died under questionable circumstances, for instance, Dr. Richard Holmes, whose body was found in the same woods as Dr. Kelly, in 2012, two days after going for a walk, and one month after resigning from Porton Down, and to Vladimir Pasechnik’s death in November 2001, another Russian defector, who allegedly died of a stroke. His death was not announced until a month later and by British intelligence. Dr. Kelly had been involved in his debriefing when he left Russia."
    -- It is much easier to suspect the British secret services, CIA, and Mossad in the "incident" than Russain Federation. The opportunistic Mrs. May and Mr. Johnson are dancing the ordered tune. Scoundrels.
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  111. FB says:

    Quote of the day…

    ‘… Nature is set up for procreation, not for same-sex sexual pleasure.

    Who has ever heard of a lesbian lion pride or a LGBTQ+ wolf pack?..’

    —Paul Craig Roberts…

    Seems the Sierra Club…the self-styled ‘protectors’ of our vanishing natural habitat…are doing some very important work to ‘save’ the planet…

    ‘…“Out in the Woods-Nature Doesn’t Care If You’re LGBTQ+.”

    Venture Out Project is a nonprofit organization that rescues “lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and nonbinary and differently gendered people” from self-pity by taking them “on wilderness adventures” in a safe outdoor environment where they don’t have to be afraid of heterosexual males…’

    Thanks for the reality check Mr. Roberts…

    We…[along with the lions and wolves] are doomed…

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  112. skrik says:
    @Anonymous
    You realize he just described the perfect false flag. That would allow the deep state to purge the trump administration and other useless politicians and enrage US citizens in one shot. If it wasn't a shooting war by then it certainly would be shortly after.

    the perfect false flag

    Why would it be, or have to be, a false flag? All the military types ever seem to talk about is

    ‘the oh, so honourable soldier’

    Yet it is all these ‘honourable soldiers’ who have been doing the US/Z’s mass murdering [including H&N]. Why can’t these so-called ‘honourable soldiers’ actually *get honourable* – just for the once, maybe, and remove the cancer infecting the US, from the president down through the Congress and through the ‘revolving doors?’

    Recall that the inside-job 9/11 also attacked the Pentagon.

    Bah; a pox on all so-called ‘honourable soldiers.’ rgds

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    It's even better if it isn't a false flag. Saves them the trouble of shipping in a few thousand Ukrainians to stage the attack. If the deep state had prior knowledge of an impending attack it's likely they would let it happen. That seems to be the MO. In the chaos the deep state assumes military control with the support of an enraged populace. Pearl Harbor times 3.
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  113. Cyrano says:

    OK, this is my final analysis that I decided to share with all you good people on this site – about the Skripal affair.

    Remember how a while ago there was a story about some strange individuals collecting DNA samples in Russia? Those individuals were working on CIA behalf – which in their turn handed over those samples to biological weapons developers in USA.

    It’s obvious that the scientists developed biological weapons that will only affect the Russians. The story about the police officer getting sick is a cover-up, they didn’t want to reveal that this biological weapon is effective only when used on Russians.

    Why the Skripals? Well, they decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Skripal was expendable – having already served his purpose as a “spy” – traitor if you ask me. So they tested the new biological weapon – seems to be working, maybe only its potency needs little bit tweaking – and they are going to use this charade to further harm Russia’s interests by pretending to believe that it was the Russians who did it. For those of you who think that I am serious about all of this – I am just kidding.

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    Since you mentioned you were considering doing stand-up it's well to remember the old adage, many a true word is said in jest. Break a leg BTW
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  114. AHHHH!!!!! Russians!!!!

    Israeli Mossad killed 3000 Americans on 9/11 with the help of traitors within our own “government”!
    But the Russians and Iranians who have never attacked us are coming!!!
    And don’t forget that evil Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.”

    Evil Putin also warned it was a terrible idea to invade Iraq!! Good thing our awesome President didn’t listen to the evil Russians! Look where we are today!

    Seriously though, the war mongering Zionists and traitors have got to go! The (((MSM))) should be permanently silenced too!
    Jail the money changers and MIC war pigs.

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    The murder of Dr. Kelley: https://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html
    "David Kelly went missing on 17th July 2003 and was found dead on 18th July. In the previous days, Kelly had testified before Parliament's Foreign Affairs Select Committee that he was not the source of a BBC story which had accused the Government of making false claims about Iraq's WMD. When Kelly's body was found, the British press quickly reported it as a suicide, though several analysts had their doubts. ...
    The incision in Kelly's wrist was probably to conceal the injection of both Dextroprypoxythene, the active ingredient in Co-Proxamol, and Succinylcholine, a muscle relaxant, rather than as evidence of his bleeding to death, as highlighted by a group of six doctors in letters published in the British press.
    According to Shrimpton, Kelly was murdered because he had been talking to the press and there was a fear of what else he might discuss with journalists. Furthermore, Kelly was due to return to Iraq and may have learned fresh information on that trip which Whitehall could not afford to trust him with."
    --- The Pious Tony' bloody fingertips...
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  115. guest 20 says:

    Sadly, I think you are right. Trump + his Neocon cabinet > Hillary in evil and the potential to cause massive damage to the planet. We are no better off compared to Hillary being the POTUS. Maybe we are worse off because Hill may not have had much time for mischief-making busy as she would have been trying to stop her coughing fits and struggling all day to stay one her feet without slipping, falling, tripping, collapsing, etc.

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  116. annamaria says:
    @Red
    I'm thinking the Skripal gambit, is seeking to 'legitamise' the use of CWs'; genre, "they did it to us we can do it back to them". We don't know what 'allied' have in their missile warheads but we know they have a string of dedicated sites in E. Europe,and I wonder why? I would hope it is not so but who trusts these people anymore. P.s., I am a retired manual worker, that's all, and I would like to clear this query out of my head.

    Let May and Johnson hang dry, the laughing stock they are: “The British Government is “Talking War With Russia”: The Mysterious Skripal Incident – Another Anti-Russian Provocation” https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-british-government-is-talking-war-with-russia-the-mysterious-skripal-incident-another-anti-russian-provocation/5631606
    The article was written before the Brits decided to use some Russian-sound word (see the traitorous Dm. Alperovitch using the same trick when suddenly discovering “Rissian hacking” on DNC computers).
    “To add to the mystery the British government refuses to name the alleged nerve agent. To create more drama the British Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, stated that it was not Sarin or VX but something “very rare.” I think we can expect that they will choose the right dramatic moment to name something and state that only Russian labs can make it. That is their modus operandi. They certainly do not want to state that VX was involved since VX was developed in 1952 at Porton Down near the sight of the incident; for that would lead to necessary investigations into security at that facility and whether personnel there were involved. However, despite the fact that Porton Down is in the business of manufacturing chemical warfare agents including nerve agents and that logic would dictate that the Porton Down authorities would be barred from being investigators into a case in which they could be involved the British government immediately assigned Porton Down to identify the substance that might have been used.
    That the Russians may be correct that this incident is another NATO arranged provocation must be seriously considered. Despite the fact there is no evidence whatsoever that Russia had anything to do with this incident, the British government was quick to label Russia as the villain of the piece and the mass media dutifully acted in lockstep and put out the word. Boris Johnson called Russia a “malign and disruptive force…” … The Skripal incident also brings to mind the death of Dr. David Kelly in 2003 whose mysterious death in woods near his home, was officially attributed to “suicide.” He is thought by many to have been assassinated by the British secret services and CIA to keep him from revealing secrets about the war in Iraq. He worked at Porton Down as head of microbiology. He, in turn, is connected to other scientists at Porton Down who have died under questionable circumstances, for instance, Dr. Richard Holmes, whose body was found in the same woods as Dr. Kelly, in 2012, two days after going for a walk, and one month after resigning from Porton Down, and to Vladimir Pasechnik’s death in November 2001, another Russian defector, who allegedly died of a stroke. His death was not announced until a month later and by British intelligence. Dr. Kelly had been involved in his debriefing when he left Russia.”
    – It is much easier to suspect the British secret services, CIA, and Mossad in the “incident” than Russain Federation. The opportunistic Mrs. May and Mr. Johnson are dancing the ordered tune. Scoundrels.

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  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @skrik

    the perfect false flag
     
    Why would it be, or have to be, a false flag? All the military types ever seem to talk about is

    'the oh, so honourable soldier'
     
    Yet it is all these 'honourable soldiers' who have been doing the US/Z's mass murdering [including H&N]. Why can't these so-called 'honourable soldiers' actually *get honourable* - just for the once, maybe, and remove the cancer infecting the US, from the president down through the Congress and through the 'revolving doors?'

    Recall that the inside-job 9/11 also attacked the Pentagon.

    Bah; a pox on all so-called 'honourable soldiers.' rgds

    It’s even better if it isn’t a false flag. Saves them the trouble of shipping in a few thousand Ukrainians to stage the attack. If the deep state had prior knowledge of an impending attack it’s likely they would let it happen. That seems to be the MO. In the chaos the deep state assumes military control with the support of an enraged populace. Pearl Harbor times 3.

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  118. Uncle Sam says:

    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.

    Concerning foreign policy, Trump had better get his act together. He is betraying a large segment of his support base by pursuing this interventionist, aggressive foreign policy. He is doing diametrically opposite of what he campaigned on. Get rid of the neocons, the Zionists and their Gentile ass kissers along with the Wall Street crowd. People can be patient for only so long.

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    The lions share of his support base doesn't care much about forging policy. It's just some country they can't find on map that we've been dropping bombs on for the past 20 years. Any response to this will be portrayed as foreign aggression and make them even more gungho - especially with the full court media press demonizing various opposing actors in the region.

    Polarizing domestic issues such as gun control on the other hand could damage Trump immensely.
    , @renfro

    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.
     
    I wouldn't count on military command opinions to stop a WH or congress from attacking Iran or NK.
    Remember.....the military objected to invading Iraq...and that didnt stop Bush-Cheney and their Jewish neocon office of 'Special Plans' in the pentagon from ordering it up.
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  119. @Tom Gregg
    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how. But, who knows, all sense has flown out the window...

    That would make no sense at all. You boys need to just stay out of our business.

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  120. attonn says:

    If Russians continue to adhere to all of the arms control treaties – designed specifically to blunt their capabilities – while NATO keeps moving closer to their borders and constantly reinforcing its installations, then Moscow will have only itself to blame for the eventual disaster. Appeasing doesn’t work. Putin is starting to look unconvincing with his no care in the world attitude.

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    Anon from TN
    I guess that’s why he upped the ante by resorting to direct threats. However, he might need to act, rather than talk. We’ll see soon enough: Western hysterics acquired shrill pitch (not because May is a female, or rather, was a female a few decades ago).
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  121. In every case Trump has to settle North Korean affair first. before he can concentrate on Iran.
    He needs to pull back all carrier groups close to Iran.
    But Korea can be settled more easy than Iran.
    I did try to figure out options how to deal with Iran, but I did not get anywhere.
    As far as the US strategy was and is in Syria , The strategy is to lead proxy war by recruited mercenaries. This strategy as we see it today is not successful.
    There would be possibility to engage Iraq in proxy war again against Iran with US air support.
    But I am skeptical about that because Iraq has now Shi’ite government.

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    "There would be possibility to engage Iraq in proxy war again against Iran with US air support."

    Last guy who did that ended up hiding from his American allies in a hole for a year before he was executed by a kangaroo court. With friends like that I think they'll find it hard to find anybody in the area willing to go to bat for them except Israel, and we all know they don't fight their own fights.
    , @TT
    US doesn't want to solve NK issue, it wants military perpetual bases at China doorstep, with colonized jp & SK. different Pres different buzz show. And all generals know its suicidal with China land intervention.

    Iran is a old civilization with high technology ability, very highly motivated people to defend their land to last man that's impossible to over run without massive nuke. Proxy hybrid terrorists war under USAF & IAF is Uncle Scam wet dream, but with RuAF, their balls are squeezed.

    And China has heavy investment there to protect, so Russia-China factor is making gayish ZUS fuming yet impotent... juz petty harassment & Nikki indian shrieking for entertainment.

    surging Russophobe & sinophobe are sign of weakness
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088494.shtml

    Petrol Yuan noose is tightening day by day, till tyranny last breathe is blow out.
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  122. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    So we have a 'debate' between two 'anonymouses'...

    How hard is it to put up some kind of handle here before posting...?

    I for one skip reading 'anonymous posts from here on in...I hope others follow suit...

    So we have a ‘debate’ between two ‘anonymouses’…

    How hard is it to put up some kind of handle here before posting…?

    Well perhaps harder than you think, after less than a dozen posts here the system would not allow me to change to anything but “Anon” so I expect your reading load to get much lighter rather fast.

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  123. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Tom Gregg
    If Russia gives in on Syria then next will be Iran. Then perhaps Turkey and Pakistan....and then Russia herself. Don't think Russia will be backing down here.

    Anon from TN
    I guess Putin understands that. Although he tries to scare the US off, so that he does not need to sink an aircraft carrier. It might come to that, though.

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  124. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @attonn
    If Russians continue to adhere to all of the arms control treaties - designed specifically to blunt their capabilities - while NATO keeps moving closer to their borders and constantly reinforcing its installations, then Moscow will have only itself to blame for the eventual disaster. Appeasing doesn't work. Putin is starting to look unconvincing with his no care in the world attitude.

    Anon from TN
    I guess that’s why he upped the ante by resorting to direct threats. However, he might need to act, rather than talk. We’ll see soon enough: Western hysterics acquired shrill pitch (not because May is a female, or rather, was a female a few decades ago).

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  125. renfro says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Agree, and it is my opinion that the Skripal affair was done by MI6.

    Or Mossad.

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    Agree, MOSSAD, MI6, CIA, all Zionist controlled and all killers, and all in an unholy alliance against humanity.
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  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    In every case Trump has to settle North Korean affair first. before he can concentrate on Iran.
    He needs to pull back all carrier groups close to Iran.
    But Korea can be settled more easy than Iran.
    I did try to figure out options how to deal with Iran, but I did not get anywhere.
    As far as the US strategy was and is in Syria , The strategy is to lead proxy war by recruited mercenaries. This strategy as we see it today is not successful.
    There would be possibility to engage Iraq in proxy war again against Iran with US air support.
    But I am skeptical about that because Iraq has now Shi'ite government.

    “There would be possibility to engage Iraq in proxy war again against Iran with US air support.”

    Last guy who did that ended up hiding from his American allies in a hole for a year before he was executed by a kangaroo court. With friends like that I think they’ll find it hard to find anybody in the area willing to go to bat for them except Israel, and we all know they don’t fight their own fights.

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  127. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Uncle Sam
    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.

    Concerning foreign policy, Trump had better get his act together. He is betraying a large segment of his support base by pursuing this interventionist, aggressive foreign policy. He is doing diametrically opposite of what he campaigned on. Get rid of the neocons, the Zionists and their Gentile ass kissers along with the Wall Street crowd. People can be patient for only so long.

    The lions share of his support base doesn’t care much about forging policy. It’s just some country they can’t find on map that we’ve been dropping bombs on for the past 20 years. Any response to this will be portrayed as foreign aggression and make them even more gungho – especially with the full court media press demonizing various opposing actors in the region.

    Polarizing domestic issues such as gun control on the other hand could damage Trump immensely.

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    You’re right about gun “control” and the likely impact it will have if trump sells out the self-defense / gun rights mass of his base, including me and my family.

    Deliver on reducing illegal immigration and building the wall, stay out of war, and stay away from our guns, or you’re a one-termer, Don.

    The massive overspending doesn’t help, either, but that we get under either party, probably until it collapses.
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  128. annamaria says:
    @redmudhooch
    AHHHH!!!!! Russians!!!!

    Israeli Mossad killed 3000 Americans on 9/11 with the help of traitors within our own "government"!
    But the Russians and Iranians who have never attacked us are coming!!!
    And don't forget that evil Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.”

    Evil Putin also warned it was a terrible idea to invade Iraq!! Good thing our awesome President didn't listen to the evil Russians! Look where we are today!

    Seriously though, the war mongering Zionists and traitors have got to go! The (((MSM))) should be permanently silenced too!
    Jail the money changers and MIC war pigs.

    The murder of Dr. Kelley: https://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html
    “David Kelly went missing on 17th July 2003 and was found dead on 18th July. In the previous days, Kelly had testified before Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Select Committee that he was not the source of a BBC story which had accused the Government of making false claims about Iraq’s WMD. When Kelly’s body was found, the British press quickly reported it as a suicide, though several analysts had their doubts. …
    The incision in Kelly’s wrist was probably to conceal the injection of both Dextroprypoxythene, the active ingredient in Co-Proxamol, and Succinylcholine, a muscle relaxant, rather than as evidence of his bleeding to death, as highlighted by a group of six doctors in letters published in the British press.
    According to Shrimpton, Kelly was murdered because he had been talking to the press and there was a fear of what else he might discuss with journalists. Furthermore, Kelly was due to return to Iraq and may have learned fresh information on that trip which Whitehall could not afford to trust him with.”
    — The Pious Tony’ bloody fingertips…

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    annamaria,

    Dr. Kelly was dead within hours of his contact with the Jew Judith Miller of the NYT.

    Britain: Dr. David Kelly death evidence suppressed for 70 years
    By Chris Marsden

    .... .... ....

    There was no indication of any intent to commit suicide. On the morning of July 17, 2003, Kelly’s wife, Janice, said that he had worked on a report to the Foreign Office and sent e-mails to friends. In one sent to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, he spoke of “many dark actors playing games” with him, and that he was waiting “until the end of the week” before judging how his appearance before the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee had gone.
     
    Think Peace --- Art
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  129. Kiza says:

    Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked (by a Russian sounding chemical weapon Novichok), and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk – Craig Murray has been most viciously attacked for not accepting the official story without any evidence) and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

    Hermann Göring

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    Kiza,

    That's a perfectly applicable quote.

    The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).

    BTW exiled Russian oligarche like Khodoconstry ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html ) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.

    One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished.

    The gas (if it really exists, which is another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection.

    Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for duch an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.

    Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed) chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one of more camera are virtually non existent.

    If there was a human assassin, he/she risk to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such a gas reliable kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the dose you can get.

    If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy it.

    Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions of ISIS Syria false flag operations.

    Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in any way. See timeline at

    http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-sergei-skripal-timeline-2018-3#march-3-240-pm-skripals-33-year-old-daughter-yulia-arrives-in-the-uk-via-london-heathrow-airport-relatives-said-she-was-visiting-from-moscow-17

    But later a policeman was affected. Very strange.

    So IMHO look like assassination without an assassin. There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5742909/sergei-skripal-spy-russian-assassin-poison-hit-pub/

    One possible scenario is that Skripal and his daughter were narcoaddicts and did it to themselves The initial reports (see, for example, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5733372/ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poisoned-salisbury-feared-life-cops/) suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl — a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin — had been detected at the scene.

    Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point, a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.
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  130. @renfro
    Or Mossad.

    Agree, MOSSAD, MI6, CIA, all Zionist controlled and all killers, and all in an unholy alliance against humanity.

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    "US policy in Syria is altogether a result of Zionist political power in the US and the Likud's obsession with Syria, Hizbullah and Iran" http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/syria-report-17-march-2018.html#comments
    An important Question: Where are the American/European Jewish communities to stop the ziocons? Why there are only a few Jewish voices of conscience and high moral standards to point towards the ziocons' warmongering and war-profiteering plans? Why Schumer, Schiff, Ledeen, Kristol, Feith, Wolfowitz, Kagans and similar scum are not branded the enemy of humankind by the Jewish Community at large?
    The ziocon scoundrels have been ruining the US and Europe in the name of the mad Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel -- where scoundrels have no desire to reside; they prefer to live in Western society. But the Western society has been badly wounded, perhaps mortally, by the unholy union of banksters, ziocons, and MIC (including the security apparatus). Those who support the Lobby in all its incarnations support a movement towards a nuclear war. Syria is a sovereign state -- this should be clear to the "holocaust howlers." Ukraine has become nazified according to the Kagans' clan plan -- this should be reminded to holier-than-God Israel-firsters again and again.
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  131. renfro says:
    @FB
    I'm going to repeat this because I love the sound of it...[almost musical really...]

    '...What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also...'
     

    Wow...

    I certainly have no idea where to even begin trying to unpack this hypothetical scenario and its plausibility...[however desirable it may seem]...

    But I will give you this...it is certainly a very novel and completely asymmetrical concept...[totally out of the box...to use that well worn cliche...]

    Could it work...?

    I have no idea...

    Would the Russians even consider it...?

    Again...no idea...

    But...if they do have such an idea planned and the manpower in position...then possibly...but only in the case of definitive intel that says US is planning massive nuclear first strike...

    ‘…What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also…’

    I think this scenario of his is improbable . But what isn’t and what Russian operatives could easily do is removed the under pinnings ……..iow , take out/disappear about 2 to 3 dozen certain individuals in the shadow government and foreign influence field and leave it leaderless and paranoid.

    Then remove the people serving as ego support for the insecure and narcissistic Trump and getting to direct his policy in exchange and he will wither and drool his way out.

    Then suicide/accident the chain of succession for President all the way down to congress.

    The pattern of disappearing certain people should be a sufficient enough clue to the remaining politicos and deep state that whoever rises to command from congress will have gotten the message that to play master of the universe is to disappear forever.

    This actually should be done by a team of Americans.

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    But what isn’t and what Russian operatives could easily do is removed the under pinnings ……..iow , take out/disappear about 2 to 3 dozen certain individuals in the shadow government and foreign influence field and leave it leaderless and paranoid.
     
    The Russians are legitimately ready to defend themselves, and they're saying that they'll do it to the maximum.

    However , ultimately, it's something that the United States has to fix themselves. The US has been hijacked by the 9/11 crowd of Israeli terrorists and local collaborators, and until they're removed (any means are legitimate) the US is going to stay sick, and stumble into one war after another - now looking like a potentially terminal one with Russia.
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  132. renfro says:
    @Uncle Sam
    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.

    Concerning foreign policy, Trump had better get his act together. He is betraying a large segment of his support base by pursuing this interventionist, aggressive foreign policy. He is doing diametrically opposite of what he campaigned on. Get rid of the neocons, the Zionists and their Gentile ass kissers along with the Wall Street crowd. People can be patient for only so long.

    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.

    I wouldn’t count on military command opinions to stop a WH or congress from attacking Iran or NK.
    Remember…..the military objected to invading Iraq…and that didnt stop Bush-Cheney and their Jewish neocon office of ‘Special Plans’ in the pentagon from ordering it up.

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    Indeed, most military men I see as morons.
    , @annamaria
    "US policy in Syria is altogether a result of Zionist political power in the US and the Likud's obsession with Syria, Hizbullah and Iran" http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/syria-report-17-march-2018.html#comments
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  133. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Maybe I am an optimist, but my impression is that the US elites are not as dumb as they appear. Remember Trump and others in his entourage threatened to bomb North Korea many times, repeatedly sailed aircraft carrier groups to Korea, lost two airplanes, and now came down to Earth and promise talks with Kim. It stands to reason that the anti-Syrian bluster will end the same way. The US will use its usual tactics: issue threats, then declare victory and leave. It might seem undignified, but it’s a lot more sensible than starting a war with Russia.

    It’s not a case of them being “dumb” (a term best reserved for those with an inability to speak) or stupid but is more a case of arrogance and hubris. The cabal that runs the ZUS and ZUK don’t care anyway as they intend to undermine both once they reach a point of total global control. They had thought they had the timing right but the pushback has thrown them off quite a bit, hence the evident desperation and clumsiness.

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  134. @Cyrano
    OK, this is my final analysis that I decided to share with all you good people on this site - about the Skripal affair.

    Remember how a while ago there was a story about some strange individuals collecting DNA samples in Russia? Those individuals were working on CIA behalf – which in their turn handed over those samples to biological weapons developers in USA.

    It’s obvious that the scientists developed biological weapons that will only affect the Russians. The story about the police officer getting sick is a cover-up, they didn’t want to reveal that this biological weapon is effective only when used on Russians.

    Why the Skripals? Well, they decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Skripal was expendable – having already served his purpose as a “spy” – traitor if you ask me. So they tested the new biological weapon – seems to be working, maybe only its potency needs little bit tweaking – and they are going to use this charade to further harm Russia’s interests by pretending to believe that it was the Russians who did it. For those of you who think that I am serious about all of this – I am just kidding.

    Since you mentioned you were considering doing stand-up it’s well to remember the old adage, many a true word is said in jest. Break a leg BTW

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  135. The whole thing is profoundly depressing. Trump has totally succumbed to a deep state which is leading a slow lemming-like shuffle to armageddon. I find it more odious than the Nazi regime which, though more methodical, was basically the same, claiming world-wide domination. At that time, the consequences were not quite as severe since the end result of the anglosphere’s attempt to retain world domination will likely be the end of civilization if not extinction, which seems likely. What is really depressing is that anybody outside the propaganda bubble created by the commercial media can easily see that the poisoning of the ex double agent and his daughter was a false flag concocted by MI6, likely to cover up its complicity in the development of the Steele dossier, since it was becoming likely that Skripal was going to tell his story. What is really depressing is how easily people can be manipulated into believing this absurd story. If we avoid armageddon, future historians will have a field day with the absurdity of this story, just like the absurdity of other recent history stories such as pinning the Malaysia Airlines 17 shootdown on the Russians and pinning various chemical attacks perpetrated by the towelhead mercenary element paid for by the yankee imperium and its satellites such as Britain, far more of a satellite than the Warsaw Pact states were during the original cold war, the regime responsible for this latest false flag, on the Syrian government which represents civilization in Syria.
    The so-called Western World has declared war on rationality and on civilization itself.

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  136. @jacques sheete

    What a disaster if Bolton gets back in to the halls of power.
     
    I cringe whenever I read that dirty dolt's name. I thought we were done with that putrid, mephitic skunk. He's worse than Hillary the Hyena and Jackal McStain combined.

    What a f!__&*%$# up country!

    MAGA my tusch. I hope the Izzy first swine are even happier now. Just when ya think it can't get any worse.

    Screw them all!

    Time to read Siege.

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  137. Putin will do nothing.

    His vocabulary consists of 2 phrases:

    1. Our partners, and

    2. Blah, blah, blah…

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    You may be right (many examples), but you may be wrong (remember Georgia, Crimea).
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  138. TT says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    In every case Trump has to settle North Korean affair first. before he can concentrate on Iran.
    He needs to pull back all carrier groups close to Iran.
    But Korea can be settled more easy than Iran.
    I did try to figure out options how to deal with Iran, but I did not get anywhere.
    As far as the US strategy was and is in Syria , The strategy is to lead proxy war by recruited mercenaries. This strategy as we see it today is not successful.
    There would be possibility to engage Iraq in proxy war again against Iran with US air support.
    But I am skeptical about that because Iraq has now Shi'ite government.

    US doesn’t want to solve NK issue, it wants military perpetual bases at China doorstep, with colonized jp & SK. different Pres different buzz show. And all generals know its suicidal with China land intervention.

    Iran is a old civilization with high technology ability, very highly motivated people to defend their land to last man that’s impossible to over run without massive nuke. Proxy hybrid terrorists war under USAF & IAF is Uncle Scam wet dream, but with RuAF, their balls are squeezed.

    And China has heavy investment there to protect, so Russia-China factor is making gayish ZUS fuming yet impotent… juz petty harassment & Nikki indian shrieking for entertainment.

    surging Russophobe & sinophobe are sign of weakness

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088494.shtml

    Petrol Yuan noose is tightening day by day, till tyranny last breathe is blow out.

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  139. likbez says:
    @Kiza
    Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked (by a Russian sounding chemical weapon Novichok), and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk - Craig Murray has been most viciously attacked for not accepting the official story without any evidence) and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

    Hermann Göring

    Kiza,

    That’s a perfectly applicable quote.

    The most plausible goal of the whole “Operation Skripal” was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).

    BTW exiled Russian oligarche like Khodoconstry ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html ) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.

    One thing I can’t understand in “Operation Skripal” is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished.

    The gas (if it really exists, which is another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection.

    Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable — to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for duch an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.

    Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed) chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one of more camera are virtually non existent.

    If there was a human assassin, he/she risk to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such a gas reliable kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the dose you can get.

    If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy it.

    Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions of ISIS Syria false flag operations.

    Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in any way. See timeline at

    http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-sergei-skripal-timeline-2018-3#march-3-240-pm-skripals-33-year-old-daughter-yulia-arrives-in-the-uk-via-london-heathrow-airport-relatives-said-she-was-visiting-from-moscow-17

    But later a policeman was affected. Very strange.

    So IMHO look like assassination without an assassin. There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5742909/sergei-skripal-spy-russian-assassin-poison-hit-pub/

    One possible scenario is that Skripal and his daughter were narcoaddicts and did it to themselves The initial reports (see, for example, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5733372/ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poisoned-salisbury-feared-life-cops/) suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl — a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin — had been detected at the scene.

    Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point, a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.

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    Richard Kuklinski AKA The Ice Man, a free-lance hit-man in the US, allegedly sometimes used a hand held spray that when sprayed directly into the face of his victims (it is noted that he was careful to gauge which way the wind was blowing) caused death very quickly and one which was usually attributed to heart failure. He learned of it from another assassin and liked to vary the methods he employed. Phillip Carlo wrote a book about him.
    , @jilles dykstra
    I highly doubt the May story.
    But if it was a show, then why ?
    The only possible explanation I can think of is the usual conspiracy, this time between UK and Brussels.
    The show then was meant to show that UK is on the Brussels side in the EU conflict with Russia, making sure that UK does not develop trade relations with Russia after Brexit, giving UK what it wants, a custom union with EU, and strenghtening the political position of May.
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  140. I advocate free helicopter rides for returning ISIS fighters!

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  141. Russian general says they will retaliate against the launchers. What does he think will happen to his dinky navy and land airbases when they are literally hit with hundreds of cruise missles and fighters. The Russian airforce now is strained by its mission in Syria let alone take on american air force.

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    They will not retaliate.

    Our partners...

    Blah, blah, blah ...
    , @annamaria
    What a cute pretense of innocence... Here for your education: http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/ "The Implications of Russia's New Weapon Systems"
    There are more than 350 comments, up to now. Why are you littering the Unz forum?
    , @Twodees Partain
    And here I was thinking that Tom Clancy fans had mostly died out.
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  142. Art says:
    @annamaria
    The murder of Dr. Kelley: https://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html
    "David Kelly went missing on 17th July 2003 and was found dead on 18th July. In the previous days, Kelly had testified before Parliament's Foreign Affairs Select Committee that he was not the source of a BBC story which had accused the Government of making false claims about Iraq's WMD. When Kelly's body was found, the British press quickly reported it as a suicide, though several analysts had their doubts. ...
    The incision in Kelly's wrist was probably to conceal the injection of both Dextroprypoxythene, the active ingredient in Co-Proxamol, and Succinylcholine, a muscle relaxant, rather than as evidence of his bleeding to death, as highlighted by a group of six doctors in letters published in the British press.
    According to Shrimpton, Kelly was murdered because he had been talking to the press and there was a fear of what else he might discuss with journalists. Furthermore, Kelly was due to return to Iraq and may have learned fresh information on that trip which Whitehall could not afford to trust him with."
    --- The Pious Tony' bloody fingertips...

    annamaria,

    Dr. Kelly was dead within hours of his contact with the Jew Judith Miller of the NYT.

    Britain: Dr. David Kelly death evidence suppressed for 70 years
    By Chris Marsden

    …. …. ….

    There was no indication of any intent to commit suicide. On the morning of July 17, 2003, Kelly’s wife, Janice, said that he had worked on a report to the Foreign Office and sent e-mails to friends. In one sent to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, he spoke of “many dark actors playing games” with him, and that he was waiting “until the end of the week” before judging how his appearance before the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee had gone.

    Think Peace — Art

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  143. @likbez
    Kiza,

    That's a perfectly applicable quote.

    The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).

    BTW exiled Russian oligarche like Khodoconstry ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html ) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.

    One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished.

    The gas (if it really exists, which is another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection.

    Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for duch an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.

    Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed) chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one of more camera are virtually non existent.

    If there was a human assassin, he/she risk to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such a gas reliable kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the dose you can get.

    If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy it.

    Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions of ISIS Syria false flag operations.

    Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in any way. See timeline at

    http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-sergei-skripal-timeline-2018-3#march-3-240-pm-skripals-33-year-old-daughter-yulia-arrives-in-the-uk-via-london-heathrow-airport-relatives-said-she-was-visiting-from-moscow-17

    But later a policeman was affected. Very strange.

    So IMHO look like assassination without an assassin. There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5742909/sergei-skripal-spy-russian-assassin-poison-hit-pub/

    One possible scenario is that Skripal and his daughter were narcoaddicts and did it to themselves The initial reports (see, for example, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5733372/ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poisoned-salisbury-feared-life-cops/) suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl — a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin — had been detected at the scene.

    Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point, a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.

    Richard Kuklinski AKA The Ice Man, a free-lance hit-man in the US, allegedly sometimes used a hand held spray that when sprayed directly into the face of his victims (it is noted that he was careful to gauge which way the wind was blowing) caused death very quickly and one which was usually attributed to heart failure. He learned of it from another assassin and liked to vary the methods he employed. Phillip Carlo wrote a book about him.

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  144. @Dingo jay vee
    Russian general says they will retaliate against the launchers. What does he think will happen to his dinky navy and land airbases when they are literally hit with hundreds of cruise missles and fighters. The Russian airforce now is strained by its mission in Syria let alone take on american air force.

    They will not retaliate.

    Our partners…

    Blah, blah, blah …

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    You mean, Russians have a common sense not to destroy the whole planet in response to a provocation by the "exceptional nation" guided by the "most moral" and "most victimized" Israel-firsters? http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
    Sure, Israel is apoplectic and filled with visceral hatred towards Russians, because it is clear that the US is not ready to kill Russians on Israel's orders -- since the killing could lead to the death of the US. Israelis and former Ukrainians (currently Kaganat of Nuand) can't wait to see Russian Federation destroyed (here the neo-Nazi and ziocons are in complete brotherly accord). At least the US brass has some understanding of where the war in Syria could lead. The half-wits in Kaganat and Jewish State are becoming very-very angry with both the US and RF. The spoiled brats are having tantrums.
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  145. Miro23 says:
    @renfro

    ‘…What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs.

    Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington.

    It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also…’

     

    I think this scenario of his is improbable . But what isn't and what Russian operatives could easily do is removed the under pinnings ........iow , take out/disappear about 2 to 3 dozen certain individuals in the shadow government and foreign influence field and leave it leaderless and paranoid.

    Then remove the people serving as ego support for the insecure and narcissistic Trump and getting to direct his policy in exchange and he will wither and drool his way out.

    Then suicide/accident the chain of succession for President all the way down to congress.

    The pattern of disappearing certain people should be a sufficient enough clue to the remaining politicos and deep state that whoever rises to command from congress will have gotten the message that to play master of the universe is to disappear forever.

    This actually should be done by a team of Americans.

    But what isn’t and what Russian operatives could easily do is removed the under pinnings ……..iow , take out/disappear about 2 to 3 dozen certain individuals in the shadow government and foreign influence field and leave it leaderless and paranoid.

    The Russians are legitimately ready to defend themselves, and they’re saying that they’ll do it to the maximum.

    However , ultimately, it’s something that the United States has to fix themselves. The US has been hijacked by the 9/11 crowd of Israeli terrorists and local collaborators, and until they’re removed (any means are legitimate) the US is going to stay sick, and stumble into one war after another – now looking like a potentially terminal one with Russia.

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  146. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @mp
    What May’s motive is, one can only guess.

    Um...nuclear war? Could that be it? Mrs. May can't even keep the girls in her country free from Moslem rape gangs. Nor, apparently, does she care. Her capital city is run by a Moslem who shows up to America and argues against the First Amendment. But she's ready to go to war with Russia? Well...all that makes perfect sense... to the Jewish Neocons at The Weekly Standard.

    Peace in this world is being royally fcuked by the white race, and for you racist scum it is all about the “Moslem” bogeyman.

    Keep at it, it’s ok, and I pray the One wills that it is degenerates like you who pay the highest price for your satanic evil… kind of like the world wars, I suppose.

    *spit*

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  147. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TT
    1&2 are cool down road shows before moving all war assets to ME. NK war is last thing US deep state want to commit suicide, no oil but another devastating China intervention on steroid. SK & Jp Weapons deals done, Thaad is up, massive war games completed, MIC said move on guys, next excursion in ME showdown.

    3. Israel is like sitting on hot plate, seeing the Syria war coming to an end soon means; Iran, Iraq, Lebanon & Syria completing their Crescent. So a Iran war is in urgent, paid by US blood.

    4. Trumps is of course nut, he juz take instructions. Not Bibi who is under Soros impeachment now. They are all front men for the deep states with mantra : Buy in crisis, sell in peace.

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige? MIC make most donation, sure god know his choice.

    God will save Americans

    Those pagan polytheist human worshippers?!

    I guess you have absolutely no comprehension of Him.

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    God got tired of the Americans, who have elected every Potus promised peace but more wars to destroy his created products. Oops, god also created Americans, terrorists and other religions, what a bad quality control if not a wilful evil act.

    The god in control of US now is the deep states, so they will oblige to the highest bidders, MIC.... KEY MOUSE. Welcome to god's newly created Disneyland of Wars in Washington.
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  148. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

    the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    The Deceitful with their, “we Americans are generally saints, even if we have our weaknesses.”

    A cursory view of the alt-right forums should prove that the racists who elected Trump are still firmly on his side, applauding the selection of pure evil such as Pompeo.

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else.

    Again deceit to obfuscate who the real evil is.

    Those “Islamists” are mostly inconsequential to the current state of world peace. They exist only because of the satanic evil of the western civilisation.

    What are you fellows doing to fight the real evil, that within your hearts… quest for world domination?

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    Yes, we Americans who oppose our government are deceitful, not merely fighting thus far a losing battle. You’ve got us figured out. Brilliant. Good way to encourage and appreciate the people who are tying to stop our gov from instigating another war.

    As for your suicidally naive comment about Islamists, the threat and the oppression are inherent in Islam’s “holy book” and it exists no matter what we do. You can claim that Islamists exist only because of our governments’ wrongdoing, but you need to ignore more than 1,000 years of history to do it. Good luck with that.

    I don’t want war between our countries and I’ll keep trying to prevent it with what little means I have. Even if every country has some real dickheads (present company not excluded ;)
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  149. yurivku says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Please be aware that most of our actual “nation” — as opposed to the government harming, surveilling, threatening, betraying, and lying to us — shares your sentiments about the confusing, demoralizing, evil perversion that Hollywood people are pushing on children and everyone in the world.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else. And we pray that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid starting a needless non-defensive war.

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the

    Well, actually it’s not true. I’ve seen interviews on US streets on relations with Russia and majority were hostile and stupid. You can say that other opinions were filtered out, but your life proves that majority are hostile or indifferent. And stupid/brainwashed of cource.

    Even those who (like you) do not share the official policy are silently sitting on kitchens and near computer.
    AFAIK you’ve said you are an American and proud of it? I still see no reason to be proud and thousands to be ashamed. “Indispensable nation”. I think this is the main source of what your establisment doing now.

    You’ve said

    he majority of us would vote the same way as you.

    But nobody on streets. We’ve seen a lot of demonstrations during Vietnam war. We’ve seen huge crowds after Trump being elected. And we see nobody now. Why?

    Ok, wait for Sarmat/Satana to come, seems this time is not so far.
    Or you think it’s for us to do something? Yes, we do – Kalibr, Kindzal, Sarmat ….

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    And you trust those interviews as representative of American opinion? You trust the media companies who designed them?

    Why do you think the powers that be don’t allow us to vote directly on these things? Because they’re sure we agree with them? No.

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  150. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Dir. Pompeo's appointment is to the Sec of State. That means the development of diplomacy. His job is to seek avenues before resorting to violence. Anyone going into the post with the notion that will rubber stamp Presidential policy may find themselves in the position of Gen/Sec/ Powell more respected than any member of the WH, until he signed on to support a war in Iraq. Had they found weapons, etc, Sec'Gen Powell, would be the man to beat -- running or not. Had he chosen to step aside because he disagreed with the policy, he would be the man to beat running or not. Buy ultimately, the Sec. runs the policy intended by the WH. whether actually being office will temper Sec Pompeo's rhetoric as he will be engaging with other foreign diplomats is, unknown.

    Both the WH and the State dept. will have to make a case for war. I suspect that the US public is not as primed as they were after 9/11. It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the "red line". A major conflict involving Russia will require manpower -- that is going to trigger a discussion. What is most interesting to me is that the advocates for the use of force will spend eons decrying Vietnam , one of the few morally justifiable efforts of US goodwill since WWII. Convincing the US public that we should go to war over a spy which has little to with the US. There is no doubt that foul play requires investigation and the responsible parties held to account, even such evidence leads to Pres Putin. Suspicion is not enough. It's obvious is not enough. Charging a criminal offense is serious business and murder across state lines is extreme.

    PM May will have to produce evidence that Russia engaged in murder on her soil or anyone else's. But even then, spying is a treasonable act and getting caught is risky. I don't think foreign diplomats are entitled to due process. You operate in a foreign as guests, despite the territorial understandings. A diplomat operates under the guests rules of another state. As arbitrary as it may be, you can get the boot as the host sees fit. Fair enough. But under the international expectation of a trial or official international sanction - evidence is required, in my view.

    "God Save the Queen."

    “God Save the Queen.”

    LOL!

    Why do you think that will be deserved, when said useless thing does not worship Him, but His creation?

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    laugh.

    I am a fan (of sorts) of Great Britain and France. I have a special affinity for Great Britain because she is the mother country to the US and most of our polity is derived from her legacy of social ethos and polity.


    I also acknowledge the value of monarchy is shaping any nation state. And from a conservative frame -- I am dubious of a the rebellion for independence. I embrace my citizenship, but upon examination the revolutionary war was a tad hyper-nationalistic childishness. And no christian can can endorse it as Godly, in my view.

    My comments are not meant to change course of discussion or be obtusely provocative.

    (God save the Queen) One of my pained regrets is that my visit to GB was saddled with so much emotional baggage of experience in the US -- not open to discussion.


    But I share your laugh.

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  151. yurivku says:
    @skrik

    my plan is to fight
     
    Admirable, but only to be expected.

    it’s you who did and still messing world up
     
    No, and a bit 'uncharitable' with it - if not outright arrogant. Who is your "you?" I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar? rgds

    Who is your “you?” I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.

    My “you” references to those who represent the West, mainly US, UK and other US-asskissers countries’ citizens. If you are not from there, sorry, message was not for you.

    And I understand *actively against* as some actions, not just words.
    And those actions are risky to attempt, yes.
    BTW it’s a question of “your” (and ours) live and death. You can compare those risks.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar

    As you can see my English is far from ideal, and I not sure to get this message. But if you mean that to be polite is better than to be rude – look at Putin he’s so kind (“partners” …) and the results (Haley, May …).
    Or what did you mean?

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    My “you” references to those who represent the West
     
    Ah, but that's one of the BIG problems; "those who represent the West" are not 'representatives' at all, but criminal tyrants, then your next 'misunderstanding' is that something, anything, could be done [by you, I or the massed plebs] to 'reform' these criminal tyrants. IMHO, there are at least two possibilities for change, the 1st of which could be the criminal tyrants themselves see the error in their ways and so surrender to justice [or just quietly disappear], but such - no mincing of words - psychopaths, having *no sense, no feeling* don't even get any idea outside of their 'murdering to steal' mindsets. The only other realistic alternative is to somehow defeat them; seems to me that the only defeat they would ever submit to is some sort of force = 'terminal violence,' say. Next problem is that they control most of the force - military, militarised police - which is why in another post I made an 'appeal' to the so-called 'honourable' military - or, in a pinch, to the militarised police, to for once act honourably and rid us of 'the problem.' In turn, the only problem with that is that the military are actively involved with the tyrants' supreme international war crimes, so zero chance there. Fazit = spiral-down - unless China, Iran & Russia can defeat them, via a) sufficient countervailing [threatened] force, b) new honest money and c) OBOR trade. rgds
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  152. @likbez
    Kiza,

    That's a perfectly applicable quote.

    The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).

    BTW exiled Russian oligarche like Khodoconstry ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html ) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.

    One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished.

    The gas (if it really exists, which is another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection.

    Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for duch an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.

    Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed) chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one of more camera are virtually non existent.

    If there was a human assassin, he/she risk to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such a gas reliable kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the dose you can get.

    If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy it.

    Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions of ISIS Syria false flag operations.

    Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in any way. See timeline at

    http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-sergei-skripal-timeline-2018-3#march-3-240-pm-skripals-33-year-old-daughter-yulia-arrives-in-the-uk-via-london-heathrow-airport-relatives-said-she-was-visiting-from-moscow-17

    But later a policeman was affected. Very strange.

    So IMHO look like assassination without an assassin. There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5742909/sergei-skripal-spy-russian-assassin-poison-hit-pub/

    One possible scenario is that Skripal and his daughter were narcoaddicts and did it to themselves The initial reports (see, for example, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5733372/ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poisoned-salisbury-feared-life-cops/) suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl — a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin — had been detected at the scene.

    Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point, a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.

    I highly doubt the May story.
    But if it was a show, then why ?
    The only possible explanation I can think of is the usual conspiracy, this time between UK and Brussels.
    The show then was meant to show that UK is on the Brussels side in the EU conflict with Russia, making sure that UK does not develop trade relations with Russia after Brexit, giving UK what it wants, a custom union with EU, and strenghtening the political position of May.

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    The only possible explanation I can think of is the usual conspiracy, this time between UK and Brussels.
     
    You cannot conspire with an administrative committee.
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  153. @renfro

    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.
     
    I wouldn't count on military command opinions to stop a WH or congress from attacking Iran or NK.
    Remember.....the military objected to invading Iraq...and that didnt stop Bush-Cheney and their Jewish neocon office of 'Special Plans' in the pentagon from ordering it up.

    Indeed, most military men I see as morons.

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    Anon from TN
    As in that old joke: “military intelligence is a contradiction in terms”? Yet military people who saw actual combat tend to be more reasonable than the political class, who know nothing about anything except funding their life stiles and reelection campaigns. It’s like in math: there are small values, yet there are values that are small even by comparison to small (say, 1/x, being small, grows infinitely greater than 1/x squared, as x goes to infinity).
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  154. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Naidamast
    What is all this nonsense about Trump being "swallowed up" by the neocons or that he has betrayed his supporters?!?!

    Trump is a man who has no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything. As many well know, he can be swayed by the slightest breeze of dissent. He is a spineless, stupid moron who is a reflection of how corrupt and degenerate the US political system has come. And efficiency is hardly the byproduct of such a system so stop whining about Trump's lack of capacity to have a single original thought in his head as a result of external forces. And that goes ditto for all this talk about US leadership all gung-ho on starting a war with Russia.

    As to starting WWIII, I think Mike is sensationalizing this way out of proportion. First off, NATO commanders themselves have openly admitted they cannot deal with the modern Russian military and the US military forces as they stand now are hardly in any position to take on a major contender such as the Russian Federation. Our troops are spread across the globe in hundreds of military bases all causing mayhem whenever the chance is afforded them (most likely not to the support of many of the rank and file), with most being exhausted from continuous combat and hardship deployments. US Special Forces have become the in-thing so emphasis has been made in building such units up way beyond their capabilities and their mission parameters. And US military hardware has become the laughing stock of the world.

    So tell me, exactly what type of army is the US going to bring to bear against Russian Forces?

    US political leadership hasn't done anything to put action where their mouths are and this is the reason we have a clueless idiot like Haley at the UN.

    Please, already. The Russians have been preparing for such a possibility for a very long time and they are hardly going to be caught with their pants down.

    What is most likely going to happen if the Russians are convinced that the US is going to start a direct confrontation with them is that they are going to release their elements in the US and take down the entire upper level of the US government, the Pentagon, and the larger PMCs. Small, highly trained units of Russian Special Forces could easily accomplish this with the stupidity that now reigns in Washington. It will probably be over before anyone knows it with the majority of US politicians and the executive branch being delivered to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. I am quite sure Obama, Clinton, and their cronies will be swept up also.

    This will be a very swift police action that will leave the US headless allowing the States to take more authority to work out the subsequent issues.

    If anyone has been following the military developments in Russia then they know that Russia's intelligence agencies have not been asleep at the wheel and this type of police action is the only thing that will save Earth from a devastating conflict started by a bunch of whiny playground bullies...

    Trump is a man who has no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything.

    About anything? Hyperbole much?

    The orange tub-o-lard worships at the altar of that Demon Religion called White Supremacy.

    Hardly… “no convictions, beliefs, or ideologies about anything.”

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  155. yurivku says:
    @Tom Gregg
    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how. But, who knows, all sense has flown out the window...

    It would make sense for the yanks to first try a small attack to test if Putin does indeed respond, and how

    You certainly a genius.
    Option 1: Putin respond and sink down couple of US ships and dozen of jets. What gonna be your next step?
    Option 2: Putin would’n respond. Yanks try a big attack. Please continue your scenario…

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  156. yurivku says:
    @Thales the Milesian
    Putin will do nothing.

    His vocabulary consists of 2 phrases:

    1. Our partners, and

    2. Blah, blah, blah...

    You may be right (many examples), but you may be wrong (remember Georgia, Crimea).

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  157. skrik says:
    @Harold Smith
    "Men like Pompeo and many others surrounding Trump are not in the end members of the “reality based community” – they judge issues, risks and consequences by reference to their personal obsessions and ideological quirks – in Pompeo’s case seemingly mainly a pathological hatred of Iran."

    Exactly. I would describe these people as being "demon possessed"; that is to say, there is no satisfactory "worldly" explanation for their outrageous behavior.

    Take Trump for example. Here's a wealthy man with an attractive wife, still has decent physical health (as far as we know), etc., basically he has everything going for him in a worldly/materialistic sense, yet with all he has to lose, he nevertheless flirts with planetary extinction. Why?

    In order to try to "understand" why these people are doing what they're doing, I posit the existence of a "spiritual" component of human behavior, and a "spiritual realm", in which originate the spiritual forces of "good" and "evil", which modulate human behavior.

    At first glance this may seem like a strange concept, but it's analogous to the physical realm with its fundamental forces; i.e., gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and strong nuclear forces.

    For example, even though the physical force of gravity cannot be directly "seen", Newton was nevertheless able to understand the basic features of the force and conceive his Law of Universal Gravitation by observing the effect of gravity on bodies that have mass, and doing some reasoning. Likewise, it seems to me that it's possible to understand some features of the spiritual forces of "good" and "evil" by observing the effects of these forces on bodies that have spirit. (And the analogy can be further extended IMO, to include the concepts of "fields" and "energy").

    Anyway, that so many evil people, doing and proposing to do so many inexplicably evil and ultimately self-destructive things, have risen to the top, in practically every influential country in the "West", seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon.

    I posit the existence of a “spiritual” component of human behavior, …

    the physical realm with its fundamental forces …

    seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon

    For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam’s razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.

    ‘Spiritual’ is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 relating to or affecting the human spirit as opposed to material or physical things.
    2 relating to religion or religious belief.

    So too ‘supernatural’ is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature

    Lastly here, belief
    [COED:] noun
    1 an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. a firmly held opinion or conviction. a religious conviction.

    Now consider conviction (belief) vs. conclusion (observations + logic).

    Coming to “the physical realm with its fundamental forces,” at ‘normal’ energies [23°C, say, 1 bar pressure, 1g gravity = 'where we live'], there is only ‘normal’ matter = protons, neutrons, electrons and photons. No need to go to neutrinos [from the 'fusion-heart' of our Sun], let alone quarks&Co.

    Somebody queried ‘are there laws in nature?’ – To which one can say [as Newton did with gravity], there are observations which may give rise to equations, some of these observations when made repeatedly may transform the equations into ‘law-like’ rules. One such subset are the conservation laws, ‘best’ example here is the ‘law’ of conservation of matter/energy = can neither be made nor destroyed. AFAIK, *NO* observation has ever contradicted that ‘best’ example.

    So what, you ask? Well, anything supernatural would violate that law [by definition] – but there is, as said *no* contradictory evidence, so for me at least, supernatural is ‘out,’ for this simple reason: Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit ‘circular’ – but that’s just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for “spiritual.”

    Ta ra! A ‘rational’ alternative: ‘Normal’ people can observe, feel and think – the latter after ‘the age of reason,’ that is. Before that, in kindergarten, say, they have to learn, sometimes painfully, such ‘hard’ rules like: “Don’t touch things not yours!” – “Don’t hit anybody!”

    Then a bit later on, people start thinking [hopefully clearly] and start to make ‘practical rules of life,’ number one may be “Do unto others …” [far more than 2k years old] and number two “Do no harm,” a) as a corollary and b) to cater for possible self-harmers.

    Note that these two life-rules are 1) logical and 2) based on actual experience; I don’t want anybody to steal my toys or beat me up, etc..

    Some people never learn such rules, or at least violate them continually; next ta ra! Psychopaths.

    There’s my *simpler* explanation for:

    so many evil people, …, have risen to the top

    Birds of a feather flock together.

    PS As well as being psychopaths, it is alleged that the ‘top-evils’ are dominated by zioCons [involving Judaism] and/or Straussians.

    IMHO that completes a valid “Ah ha!” rgds

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    "For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam’s razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary."

    In my view, your alternative is not "simpler."

    "‘Spiritual’ is problematic:"

    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain the difference between say, the Zodiac Killer and Mister Rogers, or Hillary Clinton and Mother Teresa, in terms of a "brain chemical imbalance" or some other such nonsense.

    "Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit ‘circular’ – but that’s just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for 'spiritual.'"

    Being "made entirely of normal matter," how is it that you experience "love"? Or "joy"? Or "sorrow"? Or "beauty"? Or are you going to tell me that you don't? You're not just a mechanical man, right?

    The existence of spiritual forces affecting human behavior is what I arrived at, in part, by considering the extremes of human behavior.

    Explain to me, for example, what would motivate someone to go up on an overpass over a busy interstate highway and randomly throw rocks at the windshields of cars passing by underneath?
    Is it physiologically driven behavior? No. Is it instinctive behavior? No. Does the perpetrator get lots of money or any other kind of material reward for injuring and/or killing random people? No. The only thing the perpetrator will get is years in prison. That person risked everything just for the sake of hurting or killing some random victim. Why?

    The only thing you can say from your perspective is that person did it because he or she is "crazy." And that doesn't explain anything.

    To the extent it does "explain" the behavior, how would you then explain the opposite case, where someone risks their life to pull a stranger from a burning car, or risks their life trying to rescue someone who fell through the thin ice on the lake, etc. That kind of behavior is also completely irrational from your point of view. All you can tell me is that those people are "heroes".

    Something motivated those people to do those things and there is no satisfactory worldly explanation for it.

    BTW there is also some Biblical prophecy that cannot be explained away as anything other than a supernatural/divine revelation, IMO.
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  158. @Randal

    It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the “red line”.
     
    In 2013, Obama took the matter to Congress, whether out of fear of getting the blame if things went badly, Iraq-style, or because he wanted an excuse to get out of a war he wasn't actually up for. Furthermore, partisan politics played a role in people opposing the Obama proposed war of aggression.

    Neither will be the case here. It appears likely Trump is now on board with his "advisers" as far as a US attack on Syrian forces (another openly illegal war of aggression) is concerned, with all the risks that entails of open war with Russia - in other words we are now again in the position we probably would have been in a year ago if Clinton had been elected.

    In this case there will be no attempt to get Congressional authorisation, and the Democrats are so hysterically invested in their Russophobia that there will be no significant partisan opposition to the policy. Remarkable as it may seem, the previous Trump crime against Syria last year showed that both the "never Trump" pseudo-conservatives and the Democrat political and media elites are all quite prepared to get behind the Trump regime if it means getting the wars of aggression they seek.

    Such is the sheer depth of the profound corruption of US politics and of the media that dominates it.

    There will be no popular prevention of another US war of aggression this time.

    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm

    At the moment the public doesn’t seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause – the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the “green zone”. There’s a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened — catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.

    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war –

    – it made the “red line” response less credible — by it’s convenience.

    The causes for intervention now being added to the list: rape, child trafficking is not meant for the convinced — agitate the emotions of a dubious public.

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    Of course the public will not support was if asked. That is why they will not be asked. Who ever asked the public if they want war except Goebbels, when the question was: Do You Want Total War? And everybody was freaked out by total joy. But by then the War was already lost.
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  159. @Randal

    It was public opposition that prevented a response to the first hoola hooping over the “red line”.
     
    In 2013, Obama took the matter to Congress, whether out of fear of getting the blame if things went badly, Iraq-style, or because he wanted an excuse to get out of a war he wasn't actually up for. Furthermore, partisan politics played a role in people opposing the Obama proposed war of aggression.

    Neither will be the case here. It appears likely Trump is now on board with his "advisers" as far as a US attack on Syrian forces (another openly illegal war of aggression) is concerned, with all the risks that entails of open war with Russia - in other words we are now again in the position we probably would have been in a year ago if Clinton had been elected.

    In this case there will be no attempt to get Congressional authorisation, and the Democrats are so hysterically invested in their Russophobia that there will be no significant partisan opposition to the policy. Remarkable as it may seem, the previous Trump crime against Syria last year showed that both the "never Trump" pseudo-conservatives and the Democrat political and media elites are all quite prepared to get behind the Trump regime if it means getting the wars of aggression they seek.

    Such is the sheer depth of the profound corruption of US politics and of the media that dominates it.

    There will be no popular prevention of another US war of aggression this time.

    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm

    At the moment the public doesn’t seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause – the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the “green zone”. There’s a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened — catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.

    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war –

    – it made the “red line” response less credible — by it’s convenience.

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    At the moment the public doesn’t seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause – the public will not support it.
     
    If warmongers around the US regime get their way, there will be no significant debate. The war will be started with escalating attacks on Syrian forces, using the kinds of established pretexts already tried - the President's wife saw some upsetting photos, some local terrorists say the Syrian government did a bad thing, etc. As we saw last year, that will cause the mainstream media and political elites to swing behind the president (for the moment) and propagandise for war as usual.

    These will be stand off and missile attacks, mostly, with few if any US casualties risked. Major action, against either Syrian or Russian forces will only be undertaken once some kind of response has been provoked from either Syrian or Russian forces, and will be justified as a response to a "monstrous unprovoked attack" - a day of infamy - that killed Americans who were only going about their business innocently bombing legitimate targets.

    Any real test of public opinion will not come until long after support has been manufactured by this route.

    In Iraq public opinion was successfully managed and irrelevant until it had long been clear that the policy was a costly failure as far as any rational calculation of US interests was concerned, but by then most of the objectives of those pushing for war had been achieved even if their maximal ones had not - Iraq had been destroyed as a rival to Israel, US forces were thoroughly and irretrievably embedded in the ME, and it was time to move on to destroying other countries in the ME anyway. Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively.

    The warmongers will expect that much the same will probably apply to military action in Syria, if they can swing it.
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  160. @proud_Srbin
    God Bless Mr. Putin who explained to the BEAST that WW2 was the LAST to be fought on Mother Russia's Lands.
    In Кинжал We Trust!

    Ihope too. Putin never lies and he is respecting his word. But it is tragic to think that all,everything that humans built, will be destroyed by a group of satanic people and their Frankesteins….What a normal person can do against these agents of destruction? If you dont stop them,they will continue their enslaving of humanity – and if you answer them with violence, they welcome it and double it? Where it will stop? What is the solution, how to negotiate with lunatics?

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  161. @anonymous

    “God Save the Queen.”
     
    LOL!

    Why do you think that will be deserved, when said useless thing does not worship Him, but His creation?

    laugh.

    I am a fan (of sorts) of Great Britain and France. I have a special affinity for Great Britain because she is the mother country to the US and most of our polity is derived from her legacy of social ethos and polity.

    I also acknowledge the value of monarchy is shaping any nation state. And from a conservative frame — I am dubious of a the rebellion for independence. I embrace my citizenship, but upon examination the revolutionary war was a tad hyper-nationalistic childishness. And no christian can can endorse it as Godly, in my view.

    My comments are not meant to change course of discussion or be obtusely provocative.

    (God save the Queen) One of my pained regrets is that my visit to GB was saddled with so much emotional baggage of experience in the US — not open to discussion.

    But I share your laugh.

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    Anon from TN.
    My two cents: when I was a post-doc in the US, another post-doc (a white guy born and bred in the US) expressed it very well: UK and US, two nations divided by the same language.
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  162. yurivku says:
    @TT
    1&2 are cool down road shows before moving all war assets to ME. NK war is last thing US deep state want to commit suicide, no oil but another devastating China intervention on steroid. SK & Jp Weapons deals done, Thaad is up, massive war games completed, MIC said move on guys, next excursion in ME showdown.

    3. Israel is like sitting on hot plate, seeing the Syria war coming to an end soon means; Iran, Iraq, Lebanon & Syria completing their Crescent. So a Iran war is in urgent, paid by US blood.

    4. Trumps is of course nut, he juz take instructions. Not Bibi who is under Soros impeachment now. They are all front men for the deep states with mantra : Buy in crisis, sell in peace.

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige? MIC make most donation, sure god know his choice.

    God will save Americans only if they save themselves by rising against their gov. So many praying against each other, war/ no war who shall god oblige?

    Look, now I do agree with you ;-)

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  163. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Indeed, most military men I see as morons.

    Anon from TN
    As in that old joke: “military intelligence is a contradiction in terms”? Yet military people who saw actual combat tend to be more reasonable than the political class, who know nothing about anything except funding their life stiles and reelection campaigns. It’s like in math: there are small values, yet there are values that are small even by comparison to small (say, 1/x, being small, grows infinitely greater than 1/x squared, as x goes to infinity).

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  164. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    laugh.

    I am a fan (of sorts) of Great Britain and France. I have a special affinity for Great Britain because she is the mother country to the US and most of our polity is derived from her legacy of social ethos and polity.


    I also acknowledge the value of monarchy is shaping any nation state. And from a conservative frame -- I am dubious of a the rebellion for independence. I embrace my citizenship, but upon examination the revolutionary war was a tad hyper-nationalistic childishness. And no christian can can endorse it as Godly, in my view.

    My comments are not meant to change course of discussion or be obtusely provocative.

    (God save the Queen) One of my pained regrets is that my visit to GB was saddled with so much emotional baggage of experience in the US -- not open to discussion.


    But I share your laugh.

    Anon from TN.
    My two cents: when I was a post-doc in the US, another post-doc (a white guy born and bred in the US) expressed it very well: UK and US, two nations divided by the same language.

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  165. Randal says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm


    At the moment the public doesn't seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause - the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the "green zone". There's a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened -- catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.


    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war --

    -- it made the "red line" response less credible -- by it's convenience.

    At the moment the public doesn’t seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause – the public will not support it.

    If warmongers around the US regime get their way, there will be no significant debate. The war will be started with escalating attacks on Syrian forces, using the kinds of established pretexts already tried – the President’s wife saw some upsetting photos, some local terrorists say the Syrian government did a bad thing, etc. As we saw last year, that will cause the mainstream media and political elites to swing behind the president (for the moment) and propagandise for war as usual.

    These will be stand off and missile attacks, mostly, with few if any US casualties risked. Major action, against either Syrian or Russian forces will only be undertaken once some kind of response has been provoked from either Syrian or Russian forces, and will be justified as a response to a “monstrous unprovoked attack” – a day of infamy – that killed Americans who were only going about their business innocently bombing legitimate targets.

    Any real test of public opinion will not come until long after support has been manufactured by this route.

    In Iraq public opinion was successfully managed and irrelevant until it had long been clear that the policy was a costly failure as far as any rational calculation of US interests was concerned, but by then most of the objectives of those pushing for war had been achieved even if their maximal ones had not – Iraq had been destroyed as a rival to Israel, US forces were thoroughly and irretrievably embedded in the ME, and it was time to move on to destroying other countries in the ME anyway. Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively.

    The warmongers will expect that much the same will probably apply to military action in Syria, if they can swing it.

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    "Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively."

    EXACTLY. This is the HEART of the matter. The complete lack of any kind of concrete, PERSONAL consequences that HURT for the real culprits - the ideologues, the planners, the organizers and the propagandizers. The same criminal charade of deception repeating itself over and over again, decade after decade, with NOBODY in Anglo-Zionland paying any PERSONAL price except for relatively small numbers of idiotic brainwashed cannon fodder military men.

    Until this changes, or until Anglo-Zionland suffers a big defeat with massive casualties, not just an occasional slow trickle - don't expect anything to really change.

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  166. Regarding Russian in Syria. Why has there be absolutely no follow up news regarding the recent “crash” while landing in Syria of a Russian military transport plane. I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general.
    There was a brief note about it in the news and then no more information.
    I could be wrong, but this loss seems like a big blow to Russia’s effort in Syria, much greater than the previous shoot downs of 2 Russian fighter jets.
    I’m I the only one that sees this as curious?

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    '...I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general...'
     
    Of course you did...

    And I read...when I was a child....that the moon is made of cheese...

    Fighter pilots do not fly into theater as passengers on a 50 year old turboprop...

    Who flies their Flankers to Syria while they are riding aboard a turboprop...?

    Perhaps they use an uber driver for that...?

    What an imbecile...
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  167. skrik says:
    @yurivku

    Who is your “you?” I am *not* of the CCC, nor an accessory, neither before nor after any fact, active or passive. As shown by my oeuvre, I am actually *actively against* the CCC&Co and their horrid depredations.
     
    My "you" references to those who represent the West, mainly US, UK and other US-asskissers countries' citizens. If you are not from there, sorry, message was not for you.

    And I understand *actively against* as some actions, not just words.
    And those actions are risky to attempt, yes.
    BTW it's a question of "your" (and ours) live and death. You can compare those risks.

    Cooperation trumps confrontation, and one may catch more flies with sugar than vinegar
     
    As you can see my English is far from ideal, and I not sure to get this message. But if you mean that to be polite is better than to be rude - look at Putin he's so kind ("partners" ...) and the results (Haley, May ...).
    Or what did you mean?

    My “you” references to those who represent the West

    Ah, but that’s one of the BIG problems; “those who represent the West” are not ‘representatives’ at all, but criminal tyrants, then your next ‘misunderstanding’ is that something, anything, could be done [by you, I or the massed plebs] to ‘reform’ these criminal tyrants. IMHO, there are at least two possibilities for change, the 1st of which could be the criminal tyrants themselves see the error in their ways and so surrender to justice [or just quietly disappear], but such – no mincing of words – psychopaths, having *no sense, no feeling* don’t even get any idea outside of their ‘murdering to steal’ mindsets. The only other realistic alternative is to somehow defeat them; seems to me that the only defeat they would ever submit to is some sort of force = ‘terminal violence,’ say. Next problem is that they control most of the force – military, militarised police – which is why in another post I made an ‘appeal’ to the so-called ‘honourable’ military – or, in a pinch, to the militarised police, to for once act honourably and rid us of ‘the problem.’ In turn, the only problem with that is that the military are actively involved with the tyrants’ supreme international war crimes, so zero chance there. Fazit = spiral-down – unless China, Iran & Russia can defeat them, via a) sufficient countervailing [threatened] force, b) new honest money and c) OBOR trade. rgds

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  168. @anon
    How capable is the Russian military? Do Americans have an overly confident sense of their own military superiority over Russia? Nuclear weapons make an all out war too horrific to imagine, but if there were a serious military conflict, what form would it likely take?

    The Russian military is a Paper Tiger. The US and the Bundeswehr will be in Moscow by July 17.

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    I don't know about Bundeswehr; they ran out of Pervitin.

    About US, you are right.

    Putin and his partners.
    , @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Interesting delusion. Hardly a new one, though: Napoleon and Hitler suffered from it before. Looks like once a century Europe unites, makes war on Russia, gets beaten to pulp, and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years. Nineteenth century – Napoleon; twentieth century – Hitler; twenty first century – NATO?
    , @annamaria
    Please, inform yourself.
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
    You are either an ignorant child or a littering troll, your choice
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  169. @Quartermaster
    The supposed "rhyme" doesn't exist in this situation. WW1 was precipitated by Russia's support of Serbia against Austria-Hungary's threats. The balance of power was so lopsided that Serbia didn't stand a chance. Russia had assumed the mantle of protector of other Eastern Orthodox countries, and so the alliances came into play that drug Germany, France and the UK into the war.

    In this case, this is simply a mouse roaring. If there is a country weaker than Russia, it's the UK. I seriously doubt there is much that May can do that would be a serious threat to Putin's regime, and he will brush it off like anyone would brush of a mosquito.

    The Voice of Reason! Definitely a genius!

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  170. @EliteCommInc.
    the-dictatorship-of-public-opinion-on-syria

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/public-opinion-and-syria/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main ( CNN before they completely lost their minds)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45417.htm


    At the moment the public doesn't seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause - the public will not support it. US opposition to Iraq came in time, despite 9/11. In fact, I suspect the reliance on covert ops is probably in response to what mass casualties will do building support for war. Remember the "green zone". There's a reason why operation were limited outside of that zone. For a major operation, public opinion matters. Hence the appeals to fear and heightened -- catastrophic scenarios. Brass tacks, war with China, war with Russia over the non threats to the US or nonactors minus a precipitating event.


    That precipitation of convenience is why so many challenge the events of 9/11. They simply note it was am internal event designed to coerce an emotional response for war --

    -- it made the "red line" response less credible -- by it's convenience.

    The causes for intervention now being added to the list: rape, child trafficking is not meant for the convinced --- agitate the emotions of a dubious public.

    Of course the public will not support was if asked. That is why they will not be asked. Who ever asked the public if they want war except Goebbels, when the question was: Do You Want Total War? And everybody was freaked out by total joy. But by then the War was already lost.

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  171. @ploni almoni
    The Russian military is a Paper Tiger. The US and the Bundeswehr will be in Moscow by July 17.

    I don’t know about Bundeswehr; they ran out of Pervitin.

    About US, you are right.

    Putin and his partners.

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  172. @Anonymous
    The slaves argue over the merits of creatures like Bolton, McMaster, Pompeo, Bush, Obama, Trump, etc, when any rational person can see those creatures all work together. Which lies out of the mouth of Trump did the brainwashed masses believe in? Trump = Obama = The Master over the Slaves. Only zombie slaves vote and think change for the better will come. Year after year, decade after decade, things have gotten worse for the American worker and family. Cut n' paste Whitney is a zombie voter and wants you to see the US with the proper zombie perspective without any funny ideas.

    Only zombies would argue over the merits of celebrity assholes serving in US agencies. None of them give a shit about anything other than pleasing themselves and the real bosses. If elections resulted in real change, we wouldn't have them. Guess what we do have? War, war forever. Delivered by a fake anti-media and fairy tale blasting idiots like Whitney. The real war has therefore been won - a bunch of fucking zombies believe by electing some billionaire that will bring change for the better.

    You have a profound understanding of the political process. Except that when you vote for person in charge you are voting for a figurehead and not a real person who has no power except choosing Lunch from a Menu. What is going on in US is like the Cultural Revolution in China. Different factions which are invisible are fighting for power. One of them wants to eliminate Syria and Iran. At all cost. Or at least, at no cost to them.

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  173. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @ploni almoni
    The Russian military is a Paper Tiger. The US and the Bundeswehr will be in Moscow by July 17.

    Anon from TN
    Interesting delusion. Hardly a new one, though: Napoleon and Hitler suffered from it before. Looks like once a century Europe unites, makes war on Russia, gets beaten to pulp, and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years. Nineteenth century – Napoleon; twentieth century – Hitler; twenty first century – NATO?

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    {....and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years.}

    There will be no wounds to lick this time: you can't lick radioactive ash.
    Moscow has stated more than once and in more than one way that there will be no more land invasions and land wars on the territory of Russia.

    If (West) Europeans are that stupid to commit suicide, then there is nothing Moscow can do about it.
    Putin recently stated again that Russia will respond with nukes if she feels threatened.
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  174. Avery says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Interesting delusion. Hardly a new one, though: Napoleon and Hitler suffered from it before. Looks like once a century Europe unites, makes war on Russia, gets beaten to pulp, and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years. Nineteenth century – Napoleon; twentieth century – Hitler; twenty first century – NATO?

    {….and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years.}

    There will be no wounds to lick this time: you can’t lick radioactive ash.
    Moscow has stated more than once and in more than one way that there will be no more land invasions and land wars on the territory of Russia.

    If (West) Europeans are that stupid to commit suicide, then there is nothing Moscow can do about it.
    Putin recently stated again that Russia will respond with nukes if she feels threatened.

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    Anon from TN
    It might not come to that. A probable scenario: Ukraine starts an offensive in Donbass with all its forces, Russia interferes, crushes the Ukie army in a day or two, starts marching in the direction of Kiev. Panicked Ukie Nazis run West. Rank and file Bandera followers will be shot (with great pleasure) by Polish border guards. But officials in their private planes (they all have them ready; as the leader of Ukrainian Radical party Lyashko said not too long ago, those whose plane does not take off in time will be hanged) will manage to arrive in Berlin or London and beg NATO for help. There are two options at that point. If NATO decides to protect Ukraine like France and UK protected Poland in 1939, NATO simply issues tons of hot air and stops at that. However, if NATO leaders are as brainless as they look, they might send troops and tanks to Ukraine. The territory won’t be Russian, so Putin won’t retaliate with nukes. It would be another battle near Poltava, with the same outcome as the previous one, where Peter the Great smeared Swedes, along with Ukrainian traitors lead by their hetman Mazepa, over the wall. NATO countries, spewing lots of hot air, will retract the remainder of their forces. Then whining and wound licking starts in earnest.
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  175. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Avery
    {....and then whines and licks its wounds for a hundred years.}

    There will be no wounds to lick this time: you can't lick radioactive ash.
    Moscow has stated more than once and in more than one way that there will be no more land invasions and land wars on the territory of Russia.

    If (West) Europeans are that stupid to commit suicide, then there is nothing Moscow can do about it.
    Putin recently stated again that Russia will respond with nukes if she feels threatened.

    Anon from TN
    It might not come to that. A probable scenario: Ukraine starts an offensive in Donbass with all its forces, Russia interferes, crushes the Ukie army in a day or two, starts marching in the direction of Kiev. Panicked Ukie Nazis run West. Rank and file Bandera followers will be shot (with great pleasure) by Polish border guards. But officials in their private planes (they all have them ready; as the leader of Ukrainian Radical party Lyashko said not too long ago, those whose plane does not take off in time will be hanged) will manage to arrive in Berlin or London and beg NATO for help. There are two options at that point. If NATO decides to protect Ukraine like France and UK protected Poland in 1939, NATO simply issues tons of hot air and stops at that. However, if NATO leaders are as brainless as they look, they might send troops and tanks to Ukraine. The territory won’t be Russian, so Putin won’t retaliate with nukes. It would be another battle near Poltava, with the same outcome as the previous one, where Peter the Great smeared Swedes, along with Ukrainian traitors lead by their hetman Mazepa, over the wall. NATO countries, spewing lots of hot air, will retract the remainder of their forces. Then whining and wound licking starts in earnest.

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  176. @skrik

    I posit the existence of a “spiritual” component of human behavior, ...

    the physical realm with its fundamental forces ...

    seems to me to be a supernatural phenomenon
     

    For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam's razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.

    'Spiritual' is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 relating to or affecting the human spirit as opposed to material or physical things.
    2 relating to religion or religious belief.

    So too 'supernatural' is problematic:

    [COED:] adjective
    1 (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature

    Lastly here, belief
    [COED:] noun
    1 an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. a firmly held opinion or conviction. a religious conviction.

    Now consider conviction (belief) vs. conclusion (observations + logic).

    Coming to "the physical realm with its fundamental forces," at 'normal' energies [23°C, say, 1 bar pressure, 1g gravity = 'where we live'], there is only 'normal' matter = protons, neutrons, electrons and photons. No need to go to neutrinos [from the 'fusion-heart' of our Sun], let alone quarks&Co.

    Somebody queried 'are there laws in nature?' - To which one can say [as Newton did with gravity], there are observations which may give rise to equations, some of these observations when made repeatedly may transform the equations into 'law-like' rules. One such subset are the conservation laws, 'best' example here is the 'law' of conservation of matter/energy = can neither be made nor destroyed. AFAIK, *NO* observation has ever contradicted that 'best' example.

    So what, you ask? Well, anything supernatural would violate that law [by definition] - but there is, as said *no* contradictory evidence, so for me at least, supernatural is 'out,' for this simple reason: Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit 'circular' - but that's just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for “spiritual.”

    Ta ra! A 'rational' alternative: 'Normal' people can observe, feel and think - the latter after 'the age of reason,' that is. Before that, in kindergarten, say, they have to learn, sometimes painfully, such 'hard' rules like: "Don't touch things not yours!" - "Don't hit anybody!"

    Then a bit later on, people start thinking [hopefully clearly] and start to make 'practical rules of life,' number one may be "Do unto others ..." [far more than 2k years old] and number two "Do no harm," a) as a corollary and b) to cater for possible self-harmers.

    Note that these two life-rules are 1) logical and 2) based on actual experience; I don't want anybody to steal my toys or beat me up, etc..

    Some people never learn such rules, or at least violate them continually; next ta ra! Psychopaths.

    There's my *simpler* explanation for:


    so many evil people, ..., have risen to the top
     
    Birds of a feather flock together.

    PS As well as being psychopaths, it is alleged that the 'top-evils' are dominated by zioCons [involving Judaism] and/or Straussians.

    IMHO that completes a valid "Ah ha!" rgds

    “For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam’s razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary.”

    In my view, your alternative is not “simpler.”

    “‘Spiritual’ is problematic:”

    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain the difference between say, the Zodiac Killer and Mister Rogers, or Hillary Clinton and Mother Teresa, in terms of a “brain chemical imbalance” or some other such nonsense.

    [MORE]

    “Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit ‘circular’ – but that’s just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for ‘spiritual.’”

    Being “made entirely of normal matter,” how is it that you experience “love”? Or “joy”? Or “sorrow”? Or “beauty”? Or are you going to tell me that you don’t? You’re not just a mechanical man, right?

    The existence of spiritual forces affecting human behavior is what I arrived at, in part, by considering the extremes of human behavior.

    Explain to me, for example, what would motivate someone to go up on an overpass over a busy interstate highway and randomly throw rocks at the windshields of cars passing by underneath?
    Is it physiologically driven behavior? No. Is it instinctive behavior? No. Does the perpetrator get lots of money or any other kind of material reward for injuring and/or killing random people? No. The only thing the perpetrator will get is years in prison. That person risked everything just for the sake of hurting or killing some random victim. Why?

    The only thing you can say from your perspective is that person did it because he or she is “crazy.” And that doesn’t explain anything.

    To the extent it does “explain” the behavior, how would you then explain the opposite case, where someone risks their life to pull a stranger from a burning car, or risks their life trying to rescue someone who fell through the thin ice on the lake, etc. That kind of behavior is also completely irrational from your point of view. All you can tell me is that those people are “heroes”.

    Something motivated those people to do those things and there is no satisfactory worldly explanation for it.

    BTW there is also some Biblical prophecy that cannot be explained away as anything other than a supernatural/divine revelation, IMO.

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    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain [deviations from some 'norm'] in terms of a “brain chemical imbalance” or some other such nonsense
     
    1stly "nonsense" is hardly friendly, 2ndly we seem to have an 'agree to disagree' stand-off = a deadlock.

    So I'm not arguing with you [and I presume you can't be swayed], but rather than just drop it, I take the freedom to point out a few extra details:

    1. Our brains are electro-chemical; oxygen is a necessary input, and a lack of electrical activity signals death.

    2. Our thoughts may be influenced by relatively simple chemical compounds, methanol = CH3-OH is a poison but ethanol = CH3-CH2-OH is a psychoactive substance = mood altering. More complicated chemicals like hormones have more complicated = complex effects on moods and emotions.

    3. Consciousness, including moods, emotions etc, is said to be an emergent property [= arising as an effect of complex causes and not analysable simply as the sum of their effects] of the physical electro-chemical brain = squillions of nerve-cells.

    4. Psychopathy = an antisocial personality disorder; sufferers are said to lack emotions, empathy, any conscience and do not feel guilt [or so it is said]. Whatever; it may be a result of faulty socialisation or simply some “brain chemical imbalance,” both and more, like a faulty gene or three, say.

    Key assertion: Human behaviour has a *physical* basis in the brain, as opposed to some conjured, non-physical spiritual - err, nonsense.

    Comment: It is too bad that 'normals' are plagued by criminals, but to be ruled over by criminals is an utter catastrophe - as we see with the US/Z empire.

    Switch topic; one can imagine a 'prophecy space' = all possible prophecies as a 3+1 dimensional space analogous to our universe; x, y, z as physical coordinates and t for time. Points of truth, a 1-dimensional phenomenon [binary; 0 for not, 1 for true], spread [thinly] in the 3D space like tiny dots [coloured gold, say]. Then, when you add time in = animating the thought-display, the truth-dots trace out straight gold en lines through time. Now, any prophecy has some non-zero chance of actually 'landing' on a truth-line some time, but the chance is extremely tiny = much more by sheer chance than by any management.

    Fazit: Again I posit spiritual, supernatural/divine etc. are as non-essential as non-provable and are excluded by Occam's razor. Oh; only and as usual, IMHO. rgds
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  177. El Dato says:
    @Phillip O'Reilly
    The First World war began with impossible to comply with demands on the Serbians, the nonsensical demands on the Russians by May is eerily similar. From the turn of the century a hundred years ago there was constant ethnic conflict and warfare in the Balkans. The Balkans was a rats-nest of proto states. A key element in initiating conflict was bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the time. Sound familiar?

    Reposting because of the strong relevance:

    “Approaching 1914, Europe is on a hair-trigger”

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  178. El Dato says:
    @jilles dykstra
    I highly doubt the May story.
    But if it was a show, then why ?
    The only possible explanation I can think of is the usual conspiracy, this time between UK and Brussels.
    The show then was meant to show that UK is on the Brussels side in the EU conflict with Russia, making sure that UK does not develop trade relations with Russia after Brexit, giving UK what it wants, a custom union with EU, and strenghtening the political position of May.

    The only possible explanation I can think of is the usual conspiracy, this time between UK and Brussels.

    You cannot conspire with an administrative committee.

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  179. Parbes says:
    @Randal

    At the moment the public doesn’t seem overly concerned with our covert meddling. But make no mistake, when it comes to a full scale campaign involving US troops, that debate will be had and I suspect without a clear cause – the public will not support it.
     
    If warmongers around the US regime get their way, there will be no significant debate. The war will be started with escalating attacks on Syrian forces, using the kinds of established pretexts already tried - the President's wife saw some upsetting photos, some local terrorists say the Syrian government did a bad thing, etc. As we saw last year, that will cause the mainstream media and political elites to swing behind the president (for the moment) and propagandise for war as usual.

    These will be stand off and missile attacks, mostly, with few if any US casualties risked. Major action, against either Syrian or Russian forces will only be undertaken once some kind of response has been provoked from either Syrian or Russian forces, and will be justified as a response to a "monstrous unprovoked attack" - a day of infamy - that killed Americans who were only going about their business innocently bombing legitimate targets.

    Any real test of public opinion will not come until long after support has been manufactured by this route.

    In Iraq public opinion was successfully managed and irrelevant until it had long been clear that the policy was a costly failure as far as any rational calculation of US interests was concerned, but by then most of the objectives of those pushing for war had been achieved even if their maximal ones had not - Iraq had been destroyed as a rival to Israel, US forces were thoroughly and irretrievably embedded in the ME, and it was time to move on to destroying other countries in the ME anyway. Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively.

    The warmongers will expect that much the same will probably apply to military action in Syria, if they can swing it.

    “Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively.”

    EXACTLY. This is the HEART of the matter. The complete lack of any kind of concrete, PERSONAL consequences that HURT for the real culprits – the ideologues, the planners, the organizers and the propagandizers. The same criminal charade of deception repeating itself over and over again, decade after decade, with NOBODY in Anglo-Zionland paying any PERSONAL price except for relatively small numbers of idiotic brainwashed cannon fodder military men.

    Until this changes, or until Anglo-Zionland suffers a big defeat with massive casualties, not just an occasional slow trickle – don’t expect anything to really change.

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    Echo as to the accountability complaint
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  180. @Parbes
    "Nobody involved in the decision to attack Iraq paid any real price, and most had already profited massively."

    EXACTLY. This is the HEART of the matter. The complete lack of any kind of concrete, PERSONAL consequences that HURT for the real culprits - the ideologues, the planners, the organizers and the propagandizers. The same criminal charade of deception repeating itself over and over again, decade after decade, with NOBODY in Anglo-Zionland paying any PERSONAL price except for relatively small numbers of idiotic brainwashed cannon fodder military men.

    Until this changes, or until Anglo-Zionland suffers a big defeat with massive casualties, not just an occasional slow trickle - don't expect anything to really change.

    Echo as to the accountability complaint

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  181. @Yee
    What's the chance that someone from Russia's side provide "evidence" that Putin did order the assassination?

    That could possibly screw up Putin's election, or even if Putin wins, start the large scale demonstrations afterwards.

    With CIA controls US state department, Jon Huntsman as ambassador in Moscow (famous guy in China for trying), another wave of colour revolution is coming.

    But I don't think the current situation will lead to military confrontation, the best weapon against Russia is always financial weapon, strongest of the West, and weakest of Russia.

    Russia is not as weak as Brazil was 2 years ago and cut the professional ‘US Diplomatic Staff’( sic ) inside Russia down to 463 people from the absurd 1400. There will not be another US-Soros-USAID anarchist con job inside Russia.

    The gas poisoning story is a lie, because May cannot produce evidence just as the liar Blair could not produce evidence against Iraq in 2002. It’s a replay of the US-UK-FRA-Israeli neocons’ international propaganda farce against Iraq and Syria, but this time it is a very dangerous one. So-called Novichuk gas can be made by anyone if it even exists at all.

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  182. skrik says:
    @Harold Smith
    "For what it is worth: I posit a simpler alternative, on two grounds 1) my own observations and 2) KISS = Occam’s razor = no more assumptions should be made than are necessary."

    In my view, your alternative is not "simpler."

    "‘Spiritual’ is problematic:"

    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain the difference between say, the Zodiac Killer and Mister Rogers, or Hillary Clinton and Mother Teresa, in terms of a "brain chemical imbalance" or some other such nonsense.

    "Being made entirely of normal matter, there is *no way* I can experience anything supernatural [because to do so would violate conservation]. Well, that sounds a bit ‘circular’ – but that’s just the way it is. And this is where belief enters; within [supernatural] religion, belief can be done, IMHO has to be done, based on *ZERO* evidence. Long story short, ditto for 'spiritual.'"

    Being "made entirely of normal matter," how is it that you experience "love"? Or "joy"? Or "sorrow"? Or "beauty"? Or are you going to tell me that you don't? You're not just a mechanical man, right?

    The existence of spiritual forces affecting human behavior is what I arrived at, in part, by considering the extremes of human behavior.

    Explain to me, for example, what would motivate someone to go up on an overpass over a busy interstate highway and randomly throw rocks at the windshields of cars passing by underneath?
    Is it physiologically driven behavior? No. Is it instinctive behavior? No. Does the perpetrator get lots of money or any other kind of material reward for injuring and/or killing random people? No. The only thing the perpetrator will get is years in prison. That person risked everything just for the sake of hurting or killing some random victim. Why?

    The only thing you can say from your perspective is that person did it because he or she is "crazy." And that doesn't explain anything.

    To the extent it does "explain" the behavior, how would you then explain the opposite case, where someone risks their life to pull a stranger from a burning car, or risks their life trying to rescue someone who fell through the thin ice on the lake, etc. That kind of behavior is also completely irrational from your point of view. All you can tell me is that those people are "heroes".

    Something motivated those people to do those things and there is no satisfactory worldly explanation for it.

    BTW there is also some Biblical prophecy that cannot be explained away as anything other than a supernatural/divine revelation, IMO.

    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain [deviations from some 'norm'] in terms of a “brain chemical imbalance” or some other such nonsense

    1stly “nonsense” is hardly friendly, 2ndly we seem to have an ‘agree to disagree’ stand-off = a deadlock.

    So I’m not arguing with you [and I presume you can't be swayed], but rather than just drop it, I take the freedom to point out a few extra details:

    1. Our brains are electro-chemical; oxygen is a necessary input, and a lack of electrical activity signals death.

    2. Our thoughts may be influenced by relatively simple chemical compounds, methanol = CH3-OH is a poison but ethanol = CH3-CH2-OH is a psychoactive substance = mood altering. More complicated chemicals like hormones have more complicated = complex effects on moods and emotions.

    3. Consciousness, including moods, emotions etc, is said to be an emergent property [= arising as an effect of complex causes and not analysable simply as the sum of their effects] of the physical electro-chemical brain = squillions of nerve-cells.

    4. Psychopathy = an antisocial personality disorder; sufferers are said to lack emotions, empathy, any conscience and do not feel guilt [or so it is said]. Whatever; it may be a result of faulty socialisation or simply some “brain chemical imbalance,” both and more, like a faulty gene or three, say.

    Key assertion: Human behaviour has a *physical* basis in the brain, as opposed to some conjured, non-physical spiritual – err, nonsense.

    Comment: It is too bad that ‘normals’ are plagued by criminals, but to be ruled over by criminals is an utter catastrophe – as we see with the US/Z empire.

    Switch topic; one can imagine a ‘prophecy space’ = all possible prophecies as a 3+1 dimensional space analogous to our universe; x, y, z as physical coordinates and t for time. Points of truth, a 1-dimensional phenomenon [binary; 0 for not, 1 for true], spread [thinly] in the 3D space like tiny dots [coloured gold, say]. Then, when you add time in = animating the thought-display, the truth-dots trace out straight gold en lines through time. Now, any prophecy has some non-zero chance of actually ‘landing’ on a truth-line some time, but the chance is extremely tiny = much more by sheer chance than by any management.

    Fazit: Again I posit spiritual, supernatural/divine etc. are as non-essential as non-provable and are excluded by Occam’s razor. Oh; only and as usual, IMHO. rgds

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    "[deviations from some 'norm']" = Jeffrey Dahmer, Hillary Clinton, Zodiac Killer, Madeline Albright, Jack the Ripper, etc.

    You have a flair for understatement.

    "So I’m not arguing with you [and I presume you can't be swayed], but rather than just drop it, I take the freedom to point out a few extra details:"

    Here we are, trapped on a doomed planet, hurling aimlessly through space, with nuclear armed madmen such as Donald Trump who, having risen to the top, now flirt with planetary extinction as I type this...and you complain that I "can't be swayed" to accept that there's a cold, clinical, utterly "rational" "scientific explanation" for the behavior that led to this predicament?

    "1. Our brains are electro-chemical...
    2. Our thoughts may be influenced by relatively simple chemical compounds...
    3. Consciousness, including moods, emotions etc, is said to be an emergent property ..."

    That's just hand waving, IMO. If not, DARPA would've been able by now to create the perfect remorseless killer army, and you'd be able to cite many examples of non-human animals doing all kind of irrational self-destructive things including murder-suicide, for example.

    "4. Psychopathy = an antisocial personality disorder...

    Key assertion: Human behaviour has a *physical* basis in the brain, as opposed to some conjured, non-physical spiritual – err, nonsense."

    Of course I agree that *some* of human behavior "has a physical basis in the brain", but to go beyond that and say that all of it does is pure speculation, IMO.

    BTW, what about when someone has a "spiritual epiphany" and becomes a dramatically changed person, literally in an instant; are they all faking it? Take for example the case of murderess Karla Fay Tucker, who had such an experience in prison while awaiting execution. Did she fool everybody?

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  183. TT says:

    These sum up the whole:

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    Amazing. Thank you.
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  184. TT says:

    https://russia-insider.com/en/will-russia-wake-west-seeks-its-destruction/ri22787

    Will Russia Wake Up? The West Seeks Its Destruction

    Will Russia wake up? Or will its demented desire to be part of the West leave Russians unprepared for Washington’s nuclear strike, which is coming.

    What if the Russian government simply told Washington: “If you or your terrorist mercenaries attack Syrian forces, we will eliminate your presence in the Middle East and Israel as well.” This is something that Russia can do at the drop of a hat.

    What would the British and Washington do, other than wet their pants? Clearly, they would get the message and decide that peace is a better idea.

    The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence. Washington and its puppet statesdo not need any facts. They have an agenda . By calling for facts, the Russians show their weakness.

    The Russian display of weakness encourages Washington’s aggression. Does Russia’s desire to be a part of the West exceed its desire for national survival?

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  185. anon • Disclaimer says:

    i would love to laugh in the fact that i have always said trump was a fraud and was lying like the nyc hustler he is.that any fool could see that he is a con man personified. but its to late for that. he has been put in place to do exactly what he is doing by his zionist israeli backers who put him there. some how all you great so called intellects here on unz didn’t get it .all i read was “””give him a chance””,well you did. thank you very much for nothing!!! now we will pay the price !! war with syria first then iran maybe at the same time. then n korea if kim doesn’t fly the birds first. and for sure the yiddische kopts want to kill more russians as they are still pissed that they got thrown out in 1970-80-90 by the cccp leaders of the time.and putin has also given many the boot.

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  186. FB says:
    @2stateshmustate
    Regarding Russian in Syria. Why has there be absolutely no follow up news regarding the recent "crash" while landing in Syria of a Russian military transport plane. I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general.
    There was a brief note about it in the news and then no more information.
    I could be wrong, but this loss seems like a big blow to Russia's effort in Syria, much greater than the previous shoot downs of 2 Russian fighter jets.
    I'm I the only one that sees this as curious?

    ‘…I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general…’

    Of course you did…

    And I read…when I was a child….that the moon is made of cheese…

    Fighter pilots do not fly into theater as passengers on a 50 year old turboprop…

    Who flies their Flankers to Syria while they are riding aboard a turboprop…?

    Perhaps they use an uber driver for that…?

    What an imbecile…

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    So where do you want those extra reserve pilots sit in the single seat flanker, on another pilot lap or cling to the flanker tail?

    It can't be 1 jet 1 pilot ratio. If you don't know just keep silent. Why call someone imbecile for merely asking any update?
    , @El Dato
    Not fighter pilots, just the staff team.


    https://www.rt.com/news/420608-russian-plane-crashed-syria/

    Among the crash victims are 27 officers, one of them a major general, the Russian ministry of defense said. The aircraft commander was a class 1 pilot, who had flown some 3,000 hours in that class of airplane.
     
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  187. El Dato says:

    RT sure dishes out stories about chemwar capabilities of the anti-Syria coalition:

    Terrorist capabilities laid bare in an Eastern Ghouta chemical lab: The battle of narratives over the use of chemical weapons in Syria has been raging ferociously for years. But a chemical lab discovered in Eastern Ghouta this week is set to change the parameters of the discourse.

    US training Syria militants for false flag chemical attack as basis for airstrikes – Russian MoD: Russia’s Defense Ministry says “US instructors” are training militants to stage false flag chemical attacks in south Syria. The incidents are said to be a pretext for airstrikes on Syrian government troops and infrastructure.

    They are clearly batting down hatches regarding an upcoming “chemical attack”.

    Also:

    MPs retweet claim that Porton Down scientists can’t identify nerve agent as Russian: Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan turned blogger, wrote on his website that scientists at Porton Down, the center responsible for identifying the nerve agent allegedly used in the attack against the Skripals, have failed to find evidence of Russian “culpability.” He said a “well-placed” source in the Foreign Office told him.

    Maybe. We still don’t know that “Novichok” even exists.

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  188. @anonymous

    the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the
     
    The Deceitful with their, "we Americans are generally saints, even if we have our weaknesses."

    A cursory view of the alt-right forums should prove that the racists who elected Trump are still firmly on his side, applauding the selection of pure evil such as Pompeo.


    We wish Russia the best in their fight against Islamists in Syria and anywhere else.
     
    Again deceit to obfuscate who the real evil is.

    Those "Islamists" are mostly inconsequential to the current state of world peace. They exist only because of the satanic evil of the western civilisation.

    What are you fellows doing to fight the real evil, that within your hearts... quest for world domination?

    Yes, we Americans who oppose our government are deceitful, not merely fighting thus far a losing battle. You’ve got us figured out. Brilliant. Good way to encourage and appreciate the people who are tying to stop our gov from instigating another war.

    As for your suicidally naive comment about Islamists, the threat and the oppression are inherent in Islam’s “holy book” and it exists no matter what we do. You can claim that Islamists exist only because of our governments’ wrongdoing, but you need to ignore more than 1,000 years of history to do it. Good luck with that.

    I don’t want war between our countries and I’ll keep trying to prevent it with what little means I have. Even if every country has some real dickheads (present company not excluded ;)

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  189. @yurivku

    If Americans were actually allowed to vote directly on war against Russia, sanctions against Russia, NATO troop exercises by Russia’s borders, US and NATO support for ISIS and other Islamist torturers in Syria , etc., the majority of us would vote the same way as you. White Americans, in particular, elected Trump in part because he promised an end to the
     
    Well, actually it's not true. I've seen interviews on US streets on relations with Russia and majority were hostile and stupid. You can say that other opinions were filtered out, but your life proves that majority are hostile or indifferent. And stupid/brainwashed of cource.

    Even those who (like you) do not share the official policy are silently sitting on kitchens and near computer.
    AFAIK you've said you are an American and proud of it? I still see no reason to be proud and thousands to be ashamed. "Indispensable nation". I think this is the main source of what your establisment doing now.

    You've said

    he majority of us would vote the same way as you.
     
    But nobody on streets. We've seen a lot of demonstrations during Vietnam war. We've seen huge crowds after Trump being elected. And we see nobody now. Why?

    Ok, wait for Sarmat/Satana to come, seems this time is not so far.
    Or you think it's for us to do something? Yes, we do - Kalibr, Kindzal, Sarmat ....

    And you trust those interviews as representative of American opinion? You trust the media companies who designed them?

    Why do you think the powers that be don’t allow us to vote directly on these things? Because they’re sure we agree with them? No.

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  190. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    '...I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general...'
     
    Of course you did...

    And I read...when I was a child....that the moon is made of cheese...

    Fighter pilots do not fly into theater as passengers on a 50 year old turboprop...

    Who flies their Flankers to Syria while they are riding aboard a turboprop...?

    Perhaps they use an uber driver for that...?

    What an imbecile...

    So where do you want those extra reserve pilots sit in the single seat flanker, on another pilot lap or cling to the flanker tail?

    It can’t be 1 jet 1 pilot ratio. If you don’t know just keep silent. Why call someone imbecile for merely asking any update?

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  191. FB says:

    That’s very funny…considering your firsthand knowledge of piloting is zilch…

    It is true that there are several flight crew for each aircraft…since the number of sorties per day exceeds the ability of a single crew to fly…

    However…elite fighter pilots would not be coming in on a dilapidated An26 turboprop…

    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…

    Of course you would not know anything about that…

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service…which make regular flights to Syria…

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 ‘Condor’…with a stellar safety record…

    Even Nato is leasing them…sat launch company ULA uses them to transport the Atlas V rocket… as does Airbus…

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…?

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    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…
     
    Same as for civvies. Turboprops are in use everywhere.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…?
     

    Apparently yes.

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service…which make regular flights to Syria…

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 ‘Condor’…with a stellar safety record…
     

    These are not made for ferrying meat. Just saying.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…
     
    Internet expert talk. NATO is still using the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transall_C-160 a truboprop. Even though it's falling apart.
    , @Anon

    However…elite fighter pilots would not be coming in on a dilapidated An26 turboprop…

    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…
     
    And a cheap general is using that what you called dilapidated An26, with his retinue of cheap colonels & specialists.

    RuAF considered An26 as most reliable proven workhorse. You don't know or deny to save your face?

    RuAF is training many pilots for real war experience in Syria, not just dispatching a few experienced elites for combat mission. They don't fly in cargo plane or civi as you imagine, but An26.

    2states is making a valid comment, why no follow up news for such disaster when a shot down SU-25 pilot is a national event. If you don't know, just keep silent or explain politely if you have some clues.

    Its very likely a plane load of important soldiers & pilots, shot down on low altitude slow approach to landing strip by another heat seeking SAM without escort. A stupid mistake too shameful to admit or compelling a mandatory retaliation against USAF.

    A bear with sharp teeth & claws but only whine regardless of how many thrashing, calling us partner to work under international laws even under our sanctions & containment, is only a good rug for foot.

    American has proven many times, Russia is a Paper Bear worst than the Paper Tiger called out by a cute Panda that really bite hard.
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  192. @skrik

    Perhaps, but it is much less problematic than trying to explain [deviations from some 'norm'] in terms of a “brain chemical imbalance” or some other such nonsense
     
    1stly "nonsense" is hardly friendly, 2ndly we seem to have an 'agree to disagree' stand-off = a deadlock.

    So I'm not arguing with you [and I presume you can't be swayed], but rather than just drop it, I take the freedom to point out a few extra details:

    1. Our brains are electro-chemical; oxygen is a necessary input, and a lack of electrical activity signals death.

    2. Our thoughts may be influenced by relatively simple chemical compounds, methanol = CH3-OH is a poison but ethanol = CH3-CH2-OH is a psychoactive substance = mood altering. More complicated chemicals like hormones have more complicated = complex effects on moods and emotions.

    3. Consciousness, including moods, emotions etc, is said to be an emergent property [= arising as an effect of complex causes and not analysable simply as the sum of their effects] of the physical electro-chemical brain = squillions of nerve-cells.

    4. Psychopathy = an antisocial personality disorder; sufferers are said to lack emotions, empathy, any conscience and do not feel guilt [or so it is said]. Whatever; it may be a result of faulty socialisation or simply some “brain chemical imbalance,” both and more, like a faulty gene or three, say.

    Key assertion: Human behaviour has a *physical* basis in the brain, as opposed to some conjured, non-physical spiritual - err, nonsense.

    Comment: It is too bad that 'normals' are plagued by criminals, but to be ruled over by criminals is an utter catastrophe - as we see with the US/Z empire.

    Switch topic; one can imagine a 'prophecy space' = all possible prophecies as a 3+1 dimensional space analogous to our universe; x, y, z as physical coordinates and t for time. Points of truth, a 1-dimensional phenomenon [binary; 0 for not, 1 for true], spread [thinly] in the 3D space like tiny dots [coloured gold, say]. Then, when you add time in = animating the thought-display, the truth-dots trace out straight gold en lines through time. Now, any prophecy has some non-zero chance of actually 'landing' on a truth-line some time, but the chance is extremely tiny = much more by sheer chance than by any management.

    Fazit: Again I posit spiritual, supernatural/divine etc. are as non-essential as non-provable and are excluded by Occam's razor. Oh; only and as usual, IMHO. rgds

    “[deviations from some 'norm']” = Jeffrey Dahmer, Hillary Clinton, Zodiac Killer, Madeline Albright, Jack the Ripper, etc.

    You have a flair for understatement.

    “So I’m not arguing with you [and I presume you can't be swayed], but rather than just drop it, I take the freedom to point out a few extra details:”

    Here we are, trapped on a doomed planet, hurling aimlessly through space, with nuclear armed madmen such as Donald Trump who, having risen to the top, now flirt with planetary extinction as I type this…and you complain that I “can’t be swayed” to accept that there’s a cold, clinical, utterly “rational” “scientific explanation” for the behavior that led to this predicament?

    “1. Our brains are electro-chemical…
    2. Our thoughts may be influenced by relatively simple chemical compounds…
    3. Consciousness, including moods, emotions etc, is said to be an emergent property …”

    That’s just hand waving, IMO. If not, DARPA would’ve been able by now to create the perfect remorseless killer army, and you’d be able to cite many examples of non-human animals doing all kind of irrational self-destructive things including murder-suicide, for example.

    “4. Psychopathy = an antisocial personality disorder…

    Key assertion: Human behaviour has a *physical* basis in the brain, as opposed to some conjured, non-physical spiritual – err, nonsense.”

    Of course I agree that *some* of human behavior “has a physical basis in the brain”, but to go beyond that and say that all of it does is pure speculation, IMO.

    BTW, what about when someone has a “spiritual epiphany” and becomes a dramatically changed person, literally in an instant; are they all faking it? Take for example the case of murderess Karla Fay Tucker, who had such an experience in prison while awaiting execution. Did she fool everybody?

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  193. @Anonymous
    The lions share of his support base doesn't care much about forging policy. It's just some country they can't find on map that we've been dropping bombs on for the past 20 years. Any response to this will be portrayed as foreign aggression and make them even more gungho - especially with the full court media press demonizing various opposing actors in the region.

    Polarizing domestic issues such as gun control on the other hand could damage Trump immensely.

    You’re right about gun “control” and the likely impact it will have if trump sells out the self-defense / gun rights mass of his base, including me and my family.

    Deliver on reducing illegal immigration and building the wall, stay out of war, and stay away from our guns, or you’re a one-termer, Don.

    The massive overspending doesn’t help, either, but that we get under either party, probably until it collapses.

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  194. @yurivku
    Look I know it, but you have to prove it. At least as pussyhats when they were protesting against Trump. Otherwise it's just blah blah, but nukes are real.

    Yes, yurivku, we have attended rallies and will keep doing so. You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets. I’m frustrated, too, that others don’t do more, and we are paying a serious price for their complacency.

    But back off a bit, before you get too judgmental. Unlike the bitter feminist “cat ladies”, lazy college students, homosexuals, paid agitators, Africans, and other misfits in the “antifa” and “p——-hat” crowds, people in our camp very often have full-time jobs (or more) and a family to raise. In the USA, a far higher proportion of a leftist crowd will be childless people, compared to our crowd, due to those characteristic demographic differences.

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    I am not the problem here, bro, either in my views or in my getting out there to advocate and push back. Blame the apathetic Americans. You’re not talking to one now.

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    "You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets."

    Americans are indeed engaging in such actions, although it may not be "your side". Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.
    , @TT

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.
     
    When a country is already dysfunction, slipping into abysmal with perpetual wars, what future can your children have in learning those things?

    The majority fools don't know what to do. The bottom poors felt helpless. The top elites are too happy to exploit. Left the middle class like you that could make a real change, but are all too occupied with bread & butter needs.

    Indeed only Russia-China God can save America now. After collapsing the hedgmon to drain the parasitic swamps, perhaps Americans can resurrect to rebuild everything again like their forefathers did.
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  195. El Dato says:
    @FB

    '...I read that the plane was full of experienced Russian military pilots and a high ranking general...'
     
    Of course you did...

    And I read...when I was a child....that the moon is made of cheese...

    Fighter pilots do not fly into theater as passengers on a 50 year old turboprop...

    Who flies their Flankers to Syria while they are riding aboard a turboprop...?

    Perhaps they use an uber driver for that...?

    What an imbecile...

    Not fighter pilots, just the staff team.

    https://www.rt.com/news/420608-russian-plane-crashed-syria/

    Among the crash victims are 27 officers, one of them a major general, the Russian ministry of defense said. The aircraft commander was a class 1 pilot, who had flown some 3,000 hours in that class of airplane.

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  196. El Dato says:
    @FB
    That's very funny...considering your firsthand knowledge of piloting is zilch...

    It is true that there are several flight crew for each aircraft...since the number of sorties per day exceeds the ability of a single crew to fly...

    However...elite fighter pilots would not be coming in on a dilapidated An26 turboprop...

    That is not how this type of logistics works...transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety...and are also much slower...

    Of course you would not know anything about that...

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service...which make regular flights to Syria...

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 'Condor'...with a stellar safety record...

    Even Nato is leasing them...sat launch company ULA uses them to transport the Atlas V rocket... as does Airbus...

    But in your amateur bizarro world...elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets... but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop...?

    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…

    Same as for civvies. Turboprops are in use everywhere.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…?

    Apparently yes.

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service…which make regular flights to Syria…

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 ‘Condor’…with a stellar safety record…

    These are not made for ferrying meat. Just saying.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…

    Internet expert talk. NATO is still using the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transall_C-160 a truboprop. Even though it’s falling apart.

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    You are making assumptions about the military branch of those officers that perished in the crash...

    There is no indication they were RuAF...most likely ground forces which are present in much greater numbers in Syria...

    Turboprops are not as safe as jets...small airplanes are not as safe as big airplanes...

    Those are facts...

    The cost of training a fighter pilot greatly exceeds the cost of one of these turboprops...

    Nobody is ferrying around fighter pilots in turboprops...and if that's what you are claiming then you are living in disneyland...
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  197. FB says:
    @El Dato

    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…
     
    Same as for civvies. Turboprops are in use everywhere.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…?
     

    Apparently yes.

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service…which make regular flights to Syria…

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 ‘Condor’…with a stellar safety record…
     

    These are not made for ferrying meat. Just saying.

    But in your amateur bizarro world…elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets… but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop…
     
    Internet expert talk. NATO is still using the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transall_C-160 a truboprop. Even though it's falling apart.

    You are making assumptions about the military branch of those officers that perished in the crash…

    There is no indication they were RuAF…most likely ground forces which are present in much greater numbers in Syria…

    Turboprops are not as safe as jets…small airplanes are not as safe as big airplanes…

    Those are facts…

    The cost of training a fighter pilot greatly exceeds the cost of one of these turboprops…

    Nobody is ferrying around fighter pilots in turboprops…and if that’s what you are claiming then you are living in disneyland…

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  198. Paulv says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I think that the Chinese are playing the long game and know that any hostilities between Russia and the US would leave China in an unassailable position, not to mention the fact that with US manufacturing so depleted the US actually needs China, at least in the short term, more than China needs the US. Besides, they could jump in at any time of their choosing on either side.

    All wrong. China’s biggest trade partner is the EU. Not the US

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    I didn't state that the US was China's largest trading partner. I stated that the US needs China more than China needs the US, at least in the short term. Go to any retail outlet in America and see what you can buy that isn't made in China.
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  199. annamaria says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Agree, MOSSAD, MI6, CIA, all Zionist controlled and all killers, and all in an unholy alliance against humanity.

    “US policy in Syria is altogether a result of Zionist political power in the US and the Likud’s obsession with Syria, Hizbullah and Iran” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/syria-report-17-march-2018.html#comments
    An important Question: Where are the American/European Jewish communities to stop the ziocons? Why there are only a few Jewish voices of conscience and high moral standards to point towards the ziocons’ warmongering and war-profiteering plans? Why Schumer, Schiff, Ledeen, Kristol, Feith, Wolfowitz, Kagans and similar scum are not branded the enemy of humankind by the Jewish Community at large?
    The ziocon scoundrels have been ruining the US and Europe in the name of the mad Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel — where scoundrels have no desire to reside; they prefer to live in Western society. But the Western society has been badly wounded, perhaps mortally, by the unholy union of banksters, ziocons, and MIC (including the security apparatus). Those who support the Lobby in all its incarnations support a movement towards a nuclear war. Syria is a sovereign state — this should be clear to the “holocaust howlers.” Ukraine has become nazified according to the Kagans’ clan plan — this should be reminded to holier-than-God Israel-firsters again and again.

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  200. annamaria says:
    @renfro

    America is not going to attack either Iran or North Korea. Apart from starting a Third World War, the American military knows the enormous losses it would suffer in even a conventional war. The American military will not go along with any war against either of these 2 countries. These military men have enormous power. And they know, in spite of all the chest pounding, how weak their military really is.
     
    I wouldn't count on military command opinions to stop a WH or congress from attacking Iran or NK.
    Remember.....the military objected to invading Iraq...and that didnt stop Bush-Cheney and their Jewish neocon office of 'Special Plans' in the pentagon from ordering it up.

    “US policy in Syria is altogether a result of Zionist political power in the US and the Likud’s obsession with Syria, Hizbullah and Iran” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/syria-report-17-march-2018.html#comments

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  201. annamaria says:
    @Dingo jay vee
    Russian general says they will retaliate against the launchers. What does he think will happen to his dinky navy and land airbases when they are literally hit with hundreds of cruise missles and fighters. The Russian airforce now is strained by its mission in Syria let alone take on american air force.

    What a cute pretense of innocence… Here for your education: http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/ “The Implications of Russia’s New Weapon Systems”
    There are more than 350 comments, up to now. Why are you littering the Unz forum?

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  202. annamaria says:
    @Thales the Milesian
    They will not retaliate.

    Our partners...

    Blah, blah, blah ...

    You mean, Russians have a common sense not to destroy the whole planet in response to a provocation by the “exceptional nation” guided by the “most moral” and “most victimized” Israel-firsters? http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
    Sure, Israel is apoplectic and filled with visceral hatred towards Russians, because it is clear that the US is not ready to kill Russians on Israel’s orders — since the killing could lead to the death of the US. Israelis and former Ukrainians (currently Kaganat of Nuand) can’t wait to see Russian Federation destroyed (here the neo-Nazi and ziocons are in complete brotherly accord). At least the US brass has some understanding of where the war in Syria could lead. The half-wits in Kaganat and Jewish State are becoming very-very angry with both the US and RF. The spoiled brats are having tantrums.

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    " At least the US brass has some understanding of where the war in Syria could lead. "

    That strikes me as being accurate. I thought of that at the time that Obama's proposed air war against Syria was shouted down, supposedly by "the people". I thought that it was probably more a case of military brass saying no to Obama.
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  203. annamaria says:
    @ploni almoni
    The Russian military is a Paper Tiger. The US and the Bundeswehr will be in Moscow by July 17.

    Please, inform yourself.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/

    You are either an ignorant child or a littering troll, your choice

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  204. annamaria says:
    @TT
    These sum up the whole:

    https://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/medium/public/all-together-now-russia-threat.jpg

    https://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/480x240/public/DYWf32EWAAAo81g.jpg

    Amazing. Thank you.

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  205. @Dingo jay vee
    Russian general says they will retaliate against the launchers. What does he think will happen to his dinky navy and land airbases when they are literally hit with hundreds of cruise missles and fighters. The Russian airforce now is strained by its mission in Syria let alone take on american air force.

    And here I was thinking that Tom Clancy fans had mostly died out.

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  206. @annamaria
    You mean, Russians have a common sense not to destroy the whole planet in response to a provocation by the "exceptional nation" guided by the "most moral" and "most victimized" Israel-firsters? http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
    Sure, Israel is apoplectic and filled with visceral hatred towards Russians, because it is clear that the US is not ready to kill Russians on Israel's orders -- since the killing could lead to the death of the US. Israelis and former Ukrainians (currently Kaganat of Nuand) can't wait to see Russian Federation destroyed (here the neo-Nazi and ziocons are in complete brotherly accord). At least the US brass has some understanding of where the war in Syria could lead. The half-wits in Kaganat and Jewish State are becoming very-very angry with both the US and RF. The spoiled brats are having tantrums.

    ” At least the US brass has some understanding of where the war in Syria could lead. ”

    That strikes me as being accurate. I thought of that at the time that Obama’s proposed air war against Syria was shouted down, supposedly by “the people”. I thought that it was probably more a case of military brass saying no to Obama.

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  207. @Paulv
    All wrong. China's biggest trade partner is the EU. Not the US

    I didn’t state that the US was China’s largest trading partner. I stated that the US needs China more than China needs the US, at least in the short term. Go to any retail outlet in America and see what you can buy that isn’t made in China.

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  208. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    God will save Americans
     
    Those pagan polytheist human worshippers?!

    I guess you have absolutely no comprehension of Him.

    God got tired of the Americans, who have elected every Potus promised peace but more wars to destroy his created products. Oops, god also created Americans, terrorists and other religions, what a bad quality control if not a wilful evil act.

    The god in control of US now is the deep states, so they will oblige to the highest bidders, MIC…. KEY MOUSE. Welcome to god’s newly created Disneyland of Wars in Washington.

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  209. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    That's very funny...considering your firsthand knowledge of piloting is zilch...

    It is true that there are several flight crew for each aircraft...since the number of sorties per day exceeds the ability of a single crew to fly...

    However...elite fighter pilots would not be coming in on a dilapidated An26 turboprop...

    That is not how this type of logistics works...transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety...and are also much slower...

    Of course you would not know anything about that...

    Russia has hundreds of Ilyushin Il-76 jet transports in service...which make regular flights to Syria...

    Not to mention the heavy lifter An124 'Condor'...with a stellar safety record...

    Even Nato is leasing them...sat launch company ULA uses them to transport the Atlas V rocket... as does Airbus...

    But in your amateur bizarro world...elite pilots are not going to get a seat on those fast safe jets... but will be packed into a 50 year old small turboprop...?

    However…elite fighter pilots would not be coming in on a dilapidated An26 turboprop…

    That is not how this type of logistics works…transport jets are used for the simple reason that turboprops have much lower safety…and are also much slower…

    And a cheap general is using that what you called dilapidated An26, with his retinue of cheap colonels & specialists.

    RuAF considered An26 as most reliable proven workhorse. You don’t know or deny to save your face?

    RuAF is training many pilots for real war experience in Syria, not just dispatching a few experienced elites for combat mission. They don’t fly in cargo plane or civi as you imagine, but An26.

    2states is making a valid comment, why no follow up news for such disaster when a shot down SU-25 pilot is a national event. If you don’t know, just keep silent or explain politely if you have some clues.

    Its very likely a plane load of important soldiers & pilots, shot down on low altitude slow approach to landing strip by another heat seeking SAM without escort. A stupid mistake too shameful to admit or compelling a mandatory retaliation against USAF.

    A bear with sharp teeth & claws but only whine regardless of how many thrashing, calling us partner to work under international laws even under our sanctions & containment, is only a good rug for foot.

    American has proven many times, Russia is a Paper Bear worst than the Paper Tiger called out by a cute Panda that really bite hard.

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  210. FB says:

    ‘…A bear with sharp teeth & claws but only whine regardless of how many thrashing, calling us partner to work under international laws even under our sanctions & containment, is only a good rug for foot.

    American has proven many times, Russia is a Paper Bear worst than the Paper Tiger called out by a cute Panda that really bite hard…’

    Yeah ‘Cute Panda’ is biting so hard she has to buy Russian space technology to put first Chinese man into orbit…

    ‘…Shenzhou (/ˈʃɛnˈdʒoʊ/[1] or /ʃɛnˈzuː/; Chinese: 神舟; pinyin: Shén Zhōu) is a spacecraft developed and operated by China using old Soyuz technology to support its manned spaceflight program…’

    ‘…In 1994, Russia sold some of its advanced aviation and space technology to the Chinese.

    In 1995 a deal was signed between the two countries for the transfer of Russian Soyuz spacecraft technology to China.

    Included in the agreement was training, provision of Soyuz capsules, life support systems, docking systems, and space suits.

    In 1996 two Chinese astronauts, Wu Jie and Li Qinglong, began training at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center in Russia…’

    Not bad…kind of a turnkey approach to buying a man in space…without actually having to figure out how to do so yourself…

    Biting Panda also flying on Russian engines for its fighters…

    [including unauthorized knockoffs of the Flanker itself...]

    LOL…go back to comic books…leave aerospace to pros…

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    And a cheap general is using that what you called dilapidated An26, with his retinue of cheap colonels & specialists.


     

    LoL. Aerospace pro is taking out on cute Panda China when we thrash bear.

    So why not reply my question directly?

    What the hell is that cheap general & his 30 men flying in that dilapidated An26? Where is black box to explain the cause?

    And RT is saying An26 is a proven safest transport plane in history when there is a long list of crash, even last year alone 5 cases. Putting a general & 30 men in such plane that in risk of SAM or even ground fire in war zone must be crazy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26

    , @Jesse James
    China will launch its third space station in 2020 which will be a permanent alternative to the US-EU-RUS ISS. China, undaunted as usual, aggressively acts on future growth in this sphere.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-01-scale-china-space.html

    http://www.spacedaily.com/dragonspace.html

    NASA was sacrificed to fund the Pentagon's space weapons program. The bellicose US buys RD-180 engines from Russia for its heavy lift capacity. Russia should cut the US off.

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  211. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    '...A bear with sharp teeth & claws but only whine regardless of how many thrashing, calling us partner to work under international laws even under our sanctions & containment, is only a good rug for foot.

    American has proven many times, Russia is a Paper Bear worst than the Paper Tiger called out by a cute Panda that really bite hard...'
     
    Yeah 'Cute Panda' is biting so hard she has to buy Russian space technology to put first Chinese man into orbit...

    '...Shenzhou (/ˈʃɛnˈdʒoʊ/[1] or /ʃɛnˈzuː/; Chinese: 神舟; pinyin: Shén Zhōu) is a spacecraft developed and operated by China using old Soyuz technology to support its manned spaceflight program...'
     

    '...In 1994, Russia sold some of its advanced aviation and space technology to the Chinese.

    In 1995 a deal was signed between the two countries for the transfer of Russian Soyuz spacecraft technology to China.

    Included in the agreement was training, provision of Soyuz capsules, life support systems, docking systems, and space suits.

    In 1996 two Chinese astronauts, Wu Jie and Li Qinglong, began training at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center in Russia...'
     
    Not bad...kind of a turnkey approach to buying a man in space...without actually having to figure out how to do so yourself...

    Biting Panda also flying on Russian engines for its fighters...

    [including unauthorized knockoffs of the Flanker itself...]

    LOL...go back to comic books...leave aerospace to pros...

    And a cheap general is using that what you called dilapidated An26, with his retinue of cheap colonels & specialists.

    LoL. Aerospace pro is taking out on cute Panda China when we thrash bear.

    So why not reply my question directly?

    What the hell is that cheap general & his 30 men flying in that dilapidated An26? Where is black box to explain the cause?

    And RT is saying An26 is a proven safest transport plane in history when there is a long list of crash, even last year alone 5 cases. Putting a general & 30 men in such plane that in risk of SAM or even ground fire in war zone must be crazy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26

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  212. @FB

    '...A bear with sharp teeth & claws but only whine regardless of how many thrashing, calling us partner to work under international laws even under our sanctions & containment, is only a good rug for foot.

    American has proven many times, Russia is a Paper Bear worst than the Paper Tiger called out by a cute Panda that really bite hard...'
     
    Yeah 'Cute Panda' is biting so hard she has to buy Russian space technology to put first Chinese man into orbit...

    '...Shenzhou (/ˈʃɛnˈdʒoʊ/[1] or /ʃɛnˈzuː/; Chinese: 神舟; pinyin: Shén Zhōu) is a spacecraft developed and operated by China using old Soyuz technology to support its manned spaceflight program...'
     

    '...In 1994, Russia sold some of its advanced aviation and space technology to the Chinese.

    In 1995 a deal was signed between the two countries for the transfer of Russian Soyuz spacecraft technology to China.

    Included in the agreement was training, provision of Soyuz capsules, life support systems, docking systems, and space suits.

    In 1996 two Chinese astronauts, Wu Jie and Li Qinglong, began training at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center in Russia...'
     
    Not bad...kind of a turnkey approach to buying a man in space...without actually having to figure out how to do so yourself...

    Biting Panda also flying on Russian engines for its fighters...

    [including unauthorized knockoffs of the Flanker itself...]

    LOL...go back to comic books...leave aerospace to pros...

    China will launch its third space station in 2020 which will be a permanent alternative to the US-EU-RUS ISS. China, undaunted as usual, aggressively acts on future growth in this sphere.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-01-scale-china-space.html

    http://www.spacedaily.com/dragonspace.html

    NASA was sacrificed to fund the Pentagon’s space weapons program. The bellicose US buys RD-180 engines from Russia for its heavy lift capacity. Russia should cut the US off.

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  213. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    US has already stationed missile warships at Mediterranean seas with Niki openly threaten to attack SAA(Russia position) unilaterally if UNSC refused to take action.

    Russia FM Lavov: “my Western partners…. pls don’t whack us, my colleagues pls follow UNSC rules, pls…we beg you”

    https://www.rt.com/news/421145-us-attack-syria-lavrov/

    And the Russia MOD said: “In case lives of Russian military personnel are put in danger, the Russian Armed Forces will respond with certain measure to both “missiles” and “lauchers” which are delivering these projectiles.”…. it means we might shot down your cruise missiles but we cannot promise we will counter attack US navy & bases!!!

    https://www.rt.com/news/421107-russia-military-response-troops-lives/

    My Western Partner, if you pee & poo on me again i will respond with certain measure on your projectile & launcher. Look i just told you i have hypersonic sharp teeth & nuclear claws.

    Oh yeh, try harder my foot rug…pee again. poo poo again…ha… ha… ha….catch me if you can

    Roar… i am cute but i will bite if you dare pee on me, Paper Tiger. You learned it hard in Korean & Vietnam wars.

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    Apparently, the US-UK-FRA Zio-radicals want to out find firsthand, judging by the NATO naval forces moving into positions in the eastern Med and Red seas.

    The US lost in Vietnam and ended up getting pushed out of North Korea. You live in the Matrix, so this is pre-Matrix footage of both:

    http://www.newsweek.com/last-helicopter-evacuating-saigon-321254

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1975-cbs-news-footage-shows-the-dramatic-evacuation-of-saigon/

    The "legitimate Chinese gov't" was driven off to Taiwan... Got to love the US propaganda still stinging over the loss of their corrupt puppet.

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865616489/This-week-in-history-China-enters-the-Korean-War.html

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war

    , @FB
    I take it that cute little dog in the picture is your lunch...?


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/05/16/gettyimages-478076544-50_custom-5c12179e34af1d6240defbadbf937f03e2208f34-s1100-c15.jpg


    Also note that little Australia is beating pretty hard on 'cute panda that bites'...

    '...The Australian prime minister has hit back at China over the issue of foreign interference, speaking Mandarin and invoking a famous Chinese slogan to declare Australia will “stand up” against meddling in its national affairs...'
     
    Looks like 'biting panda' has hands full with tough little punching kangaroo...

    Maybe should try parrot for size...
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  214. @Anon
    US has already stationed missile warships at Mediterranean seas with Niki openly threaten to attack SAA(Russia position) unilaterally if UNSC refused to take action.

    Russia FM Lavov: "my Western partners.... pls don't whack us, my colleagues pls follow UNSC rules, pls...we beg you"
    https://www.rt.com/news/421145-us-attack-syria-lavrov/

    And the Russia MOD said: "In case lives of Russian military personnel are put in danger, the Russian Armed Forces will respond with certain measure to both “missiles” and “lauchers” which are delivering these projectiles.".... it means we might shot down your cruise missiles but we cannot promise we will counter attack US navy & bases!!!
    https://www.rt.com/news/421107-russia-military-response-troops-lives/


    My Western Partner, if you pee & poo on me again i will respond with certain measure on your projectile & launcher. Look i just told you i have hypersonic sharp teeth & nuclear claws.
    https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/231/37285/15696677_1_x.jpg

    Oh yeh, try harder my foot rug...pee again. poo poo again...ha... ha... ha....catch me if you can
    https://theyouideology.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/papertiger2.jpg

    Roar... i am cute but i will bite if you dare pee on me, Paper Tiger. You learned it hard in Korean & Vietnam wars.
    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/8-giant-panda-ailuropoda-melanoleuca-katherine-feng.jpg

    Apparently, the US-UK-FRA Zio-radicals want to out find firsthand, judging by the NATO naval forces moving into positions in the eastern Med and Red seas.

    The US lost in Vietnam and ended up getting pushed out of North Korea. You live in the Matrix, so this is pre-Matrix footage of both:

    http://www.newsweek.com/last-helicopter-evacuating-saigon-321254

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1975-cbs-news-footage-shows-the-dramatic-evacuation-of-saigon/

    The “legitimate Chinese gov’t” was driven off to Taiwan… Got to love the US propaganda still stinging over the loss of their corrupt puppet.

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865616489/This-week-in-history-China-enters-the-Korean-War.html

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war

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  215. JamesinNM says:

    A war with Russia will kill at least 100,000,000 Americans, and the globalists don’t care. In fact, the globalists would happily kill a third of the American population.

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    "...the globalists would happily kill a third of the American population."
    --- True. Time to make a defensive shield out of the warmongers and their families.
    Exhibit one -- Samantha Powers. This bloody criminal should be reminded of her crimes each and every day, including Saturday (her husband's Shabbat day) and Sunday (her "Christian" day):
    "Libya: The true face of ‘humanitarian intervention’"
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/421711-libya-war-gaddafi-intervention/
    "...the intervention was spearheaded by Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Susan Rice – three self-described warriors for human and women’s rights. Instead, they became three ushers of the Apocalypse.
    In addition, Italy and France, which also helped lead the charge for invasion, had their own reasons for intervening in Libya. For his part, French President Nicolas Sarkozy appeared to be singularly focused on killing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who allegedly gave him €50 million for his presidential campaign – a claim which was just coming to light and to which Gaddafi was the chief witness. ...
    -- Unlike the bloody Clinton, Powers, Rice, and Sarkozy, "Gaddafi had taken Libya from being the least prosperous country in Africa to the being the most prosperous by the time of the NATO operation. ... before the intervention, “Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy on the continent. Less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.” ... Benghazi is now the site of a grave humanitarian crisis and a hotbed for terrorists post-intervention. Amnesty International writes that “[a] number of mass graves were uncovered in Benghazi between February and October [2017]. On at least four occasions, groups of bodies were found in different parts of the city with their hands bound behind their backs, and in some cases blindfolded with signs of torture and execution-style killing.”
    And yet, where are the self-proclaimed defenders of human rights for Libya and Benghazi now? Where are their cries for humanitarian intervention? Of course, all of those responsible for this absolute disaster have moved on and remain silent about the tragedy they have wrought in that country.
    Of course, the intervention in Libya was not truly about human rights..."
    -- It was about money. Time for Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice to answer where are the "€10bn vanished from ‘frozen’ Gaddafi accounts in Belgium?" https://www.rt.com/news/420837-flozen-libyan-billions-missing/
    Have Clinton, Powers, and Rice helped themselves with the Libyan people's wealth?
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  216. JamesinNM says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Agree, Britain and the U.S. and Germany are all under zionist control and the result will be the war against Russia and Iran which will destroy the U.S. and Britain and Germany and Israel and also Russia and then maybe the zionist neocon warmongers will at last be satisfied.

    Please read The Protocols of Zion.

    Read the Oded Yinon Plan. Research Khazaria and the Khazars and the Black Pope and Jesuit army.

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  217. TT says:

    Paul CR is clear with his advice, only forward deployment will stop further loses of Russian & Syrian lifes, end the war immediately without accidental escalation to nuke WW3.

    Similarly end that bloody Ukraine war, just say it, if you attack Donbass, we will annihilate Kiev. What Russia got to lost when its already under full crushing force of US Nato short from a direct war?

    End the wars like a real Ruskies, a fighter race.

    Will Russia Wake Up? The West Seeks Its Destruction. PCR.

    Will Russia wake up? Or will its demented desire to be part of the West leave Russians unprepared for Washington’s nuclear strike, which is coming.

    What if the Russian government simply told Washington: “If you or your terrorist mercenaries attack Syrian forces, we will eliminate your presence in the Middle East and Israel as well.” This is something that Russia can do at the drop of a hat.

    What would the British and Washington do, other than wet their pants? Clearly, they would get the message and decide that peace is a better idea.

    The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence. Washington and its puppet statesdo not need any facts. They have an agenda . By calling for facts, the Russians show their weakness.

    The Russian display of weakness encourages Washington’s aggression. Does Russia’s desire to be a part of the West exceed its desire for national survival?

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  218. FB says:

    News Item…

    Sputnik is reporting from a Syrian blog that..

    US is preparing an attack and possible invasion of Syria…

    Within Syria blog tweeted this…

    ‘…US-led coalition is planing for an all in attack against the SAA very soon, the attack will be very large and aimed at capturing the border with Iraq and even possible positions near Homs-Damascus highway … almost full invasion like Iraq 2003…’

    A couple of days ago…somebody named Andrew Blumenthal wrote this on his blog…

    ‘…Assad’s Time is Up…

    One year ago in April, the U.S. unleashed 59 cruise missiles on an air base in Syria that was involved in chemical attacks on civilians.

    That was a warning message.

    Today, the attacks against civilians, including the use of chemical weapons, continues in Syria unabated.

    There are now over 500,000 killed in Syria.

    That includes over 14,000 children killed by snipers, machine guns, grenades, IEDs, barrel bombs, gas attacks, and even torture and execution.

    In 2016, almost 1,500 were killed in one chemical attack alone by the Assad regime.

    Two weeks ago, Syria’s sponsor, Russia is accused of using the most deadly of chemical nerve agents to poison a former spy and his daughter in the UK…’

    ‘…It is high time for the U.S. to intervene and send a very definite message against the use of chemical weapons and indiscriminate killing and to take out Assad.

    Assad is a ruthless dictator with the blood of innocents on his hands and his continued use of WMD flies in the face of civilized society and sets a tone where this or worse can and will be used in the future.

    The U.S. needs to reset the bar on the use of these dangerous weapons by sending a clear message that those who use it indiscriminately will pay the ultimate price.

    We already provided a warning message in April last year.

    The Assad regime, Russia, axis of evil Iran, and Hezbollah terrorists all need to get the message from us loud and clear that red lines will not be crossed without paying a very serious price–and that all their efforts at expanding their malevolent reach across that region have been for naught.

    Assad is the ultimate April Fool if he thinks that a cruise missile isn’t going to land on his head this time around and it will be very well-deserved indeed…’

    Here is what we know about Andrew Blumenthal…

    ‘…Blumenthal is Deputy Chief Operating Officer at the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.

    Previously, served progressively as Chief Information Officer, U.S. Department of State, Global Information Services; Chief Technology Officer, U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives; and Chief Enterprise Architect, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Coast Guard and Secret Service…’

    Ie…a computer nerd…[maybe he's planning to hurl his computer at the Russian military in Syria...?]

    Here is what the computer nerd who wants to tangle with Russia looks like…

    My message to Andrew Blumenthal…

    ‘…I really hope your wish comes true…but somehow I have a feeling it’s all just hot air…’

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  219. annamaria says:
    @JamesinNM
    A war with Russia will kill at least 100,000,000 Americans, and the globalists don’t care. In fact, the globalists would happily kill a third of the American population.

    “…the globalists would happily kill a third of the American population.”
    — True. Time to make a defensive shield out of the warmongers and their families.
    Exhibit one — Samantha Powers. This bloody criminal should be reminded of her crimes each and every day, including Saturday (her husband’s Shabbat day) and Sunday (her “Christian” day):
    “Libya: The true face of ‘humanitarian intervention’”

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/421711-libya-war-gaddafi-intervention/

    “…the intervention was spearheaded by Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Susan Rice – three self-described warriors for human and women’s rights. Instead, they became three ushers of the Apocalypse.
    In addition, Italy and France, which also helped lead the charge for invasion, had their own reasons for intervening in Libya. For his part, French President Nicolas Sarkozy appeared to be singularly focused on killing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who allegedly gave him €50 million for his presidential campaign – a claim which was just coming to light and to which Gaddafi was the chief witness. …
    – Unlike the bloody Clinton, Powers, Rice, and Sarkozy, “Gaddafi had taken Libya from being the least prosperous country in Africa to the being the most prosperous by the time of the NATO operation. … before the intervention, “Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy on the continent. Less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.” … Benghazi is now the site of a grave humanitarian crisis and a hotbed for terrorists post-intervention. Amnesty International writes that “[a] number of mass graves were uncovered in Benghazi between February and October [2017]. On at least four occasions, groups of bodies were found in different parts of the city with their hands bound behind their backs, and in some cases blindfolded with signs of torture and execution-style killing.”
    And yet, where are the self-proclaimed defenders of human rights for Libya and Benghazi now? Where are their cries for humanitarian intervention? Of course, all of those responsible for this absolute disaster have moved on and remain silent about the tragedy they have wrought in that country.
    Of course, the intervention in Libya was not truly about human rights…”
    – It was about money. Time for Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice to answer where are the “€10bn vanished from ‘frozen’ Gaddafi accounts in Belgium?” https://www.rt.com/news/420837-flozen-libyan-billions-missing/
    Have Clinton, Powers, and Rice helped themselves with the Libyan people’s wealth?

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  220. FB says:
    @Anon
    US has already stationed missile warships at Mediterranean seas with Niki openly threaten to attack SAA(Russia position) unilaterally if UNSC refused to take action.

    Russia FM Lavov: "my Western partners.... pls don't whack us, my colleagues pls follow UNSC rules, pls...we beg you"
    https://www.rt.com/news/421145-us-attack-syria-lavrov/

    And the Russia MOD said: "In case lives of Russian military personnel are put in danger, the Russian Armed Forces will respond with certain measure to both “missiles” and “lauchers” which are delivering these projectiles.".... it means we might shot down your cruise missiles but we cannot promise we will counter attack US navy & bases!!!
    https://www.rt.com/news/421107-russia-military-response-troops-lives/


    My Western Partner, if you pee & poo on me again i will respond with certain measure on your projectile & launcher. Look i just told you i have hypersonic sharp teeth & nuclear claws.
    https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/231/37285/15696677_1_x.jpg

    Oh yeh, try harder my foot rug...pee again. poo poo again...ha... ha... ha....catch me if you can
    https://theyouideology.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/papertiger2.jpg

    Roar... i am cute but i will bite if you dare pee on me, Paper Tiger. You learned it hard in Korean & Vietnam wars.
    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/8-giant-panda-ailuropoda-melanoleuca-katherine-feng.jpg

    I take it that cute little dog in the picture is your lunch…?

    Also note that little Australia is beating pretty hard on ‘cute panda that bites’…

    ‘…The Australian prime minister has hit back at China over the issue of foreign interference, speaking Mandarin and invoking a famous Chinese slogan to declare Australia will “stand up” against meddling in its national affairs…’

    Looks like ‘biting panda’ has hands full with tough little punching kangaroo…

    Maybe should try parrot for size…

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    Oh yah, have to visit china, korea or Thailand to try that. My country just put down strays and unwanted dogs in humanity excuse, more hypocrite than those who do it for food reason.

    So you got an issue with China now LOL, thought all the while you are pro Russia-China alliance? Now you are switching to Anglo-US-Australia alliance side for a little bone thrown at you, that's remarkably alert one. They will now give you a good pat, good buddy go, fetch.

    Ok i am just trolling you a little. You are good in contributing technical comments that i enjoy, but don't be big headed to mock others as imbecile so slipshod. You forget the last lesson from Germans.
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  221. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    I take it that cute little dog in the picture is your lunch...?


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/05/16/gettyimages-478076544-50_custom-5c12179e34af1d6240defbadbf937f03e2208f34-s1100-c15.jpg


    Also note that little Australia is beating pretty hard on 'cute panda that bites'...

    '...The Australian prime minister has hit back at China over the issue of foreign interference, speaking Mandarin and invoking a famous Chinese slogan to declare Australia will “stand up” against meddling in its national affairs...'
     
    Looks like 'biting panda' has hands full with tough little punching kangaroo...

    Maybe should try parrot for size...

    Oh yah, have to visit china, korea or Thailand to try that. My country just put down strays and unwanted dogs in humanity excuse, more hypocrite than those who do it for food reason.

    So you got an issue with China now LOL, thought all the while you are pro Russia-China alliance? Now you are switching to Anglo-US-Australia alliance side for a little bone thrown at you, that’s remarkably alert one. They will now give you a good pat, good buddy go, fetch.

    Ok i am just trolling you a little. You are good in contributing technical comments that i enjoy, but don’t be big headed to mock others as imbecile so slipshod. You forget the last lesson from Germans.

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  222. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Yes, yurivku, we have attended rallies and will keep doing so. You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets. I’m frustrated, too, that others don’t do more, and we are paying a serious price for their complacency.

    But back off a bit, before you get too judgmental. Unlike the bitter feminist “cat ladies”, lazy college students, homosexuals, paid agitators, Africans, and other misfits in the “antifa” and “p——-hat” crowds, people in our camp very often have full-time jobs (or more) and a family to raise. In the USA, a far higher proportion of a leftist crowd will be childless people, compared to our crowd, due to those characteristic demographic differences.

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    I am not the problem here, bro, either in my views or in my getting out there to advocate and push back. Blame the apathetic Americans. You’re not talking to one now.

    “You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets.”

    Americans are indeed engaging in such actions, although it may not be “your side”. Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

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    Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

     

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?

    How about going for something bigger, a first Black & Female Potus, Oprah Winfrey vs Malia or Michelle Obama? Sure a lesser evil one will make a good Potus, term after term never failed.

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  223. TT says:
    @Corvinus
    "You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets."

    Americans are indeed engaging in such actions, although it may not be "your side". Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

    Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?

    How about going for something bigger, a first Black & Female Potus, Oprah Winfrey vs Malia or Michelle Obama? Sure a lesser evil one will make a good Potus, term after term never failed.

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    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?
     
    Next should be one legged mexican (or Chinese) transgendered lesbian.
    It's party assignment means nothing.
    , @Corvinus
    "So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?"

    Great question, since Generation Z is not beholden to political parties--they are skeptical of both groups. Depends upon the issues. Some are on board with restricting immigration, which is fine, but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!
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  224. yurivku says:
    @TT

    Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

     

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?

    How about going for something bigger, a first Black & Female Potus, Oprah Winfrey vs Malia or Michelle Obama? Sure a lesser evil one will make a good Potus, term after term never failed.

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?

    Next should be one legged mexican (or Chinese) transgendered lesbian.
    It’s party assignment means nothing.

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    Lol. Perhaps a one eyed Indian Muslim lesbian with thick beard & a pirate hook arm who shriek like Niki will be more fun.

    Now you should count Russia lucky to have more liberal choice of decent candidates to choose from, than US 2parties rotation system throwing up lesser evils everytime.

    Btw, Putin should be given a higher vote like 85% to give the West corrupted leaders a tight slap, a rating they could ever wet dream of.

    Under tremendous sanctions & containment, Russia continue to grow in strength, even become one of biggest grain exporter is remarkable. As Putin said he will be able to channel more resources into domestic development after US nonsense stop. Also don't expect him to work till 100, he still got 20B to spend as West msm accused.

    If he could save Russia from 1990's abyss & existential onslaught now, helping Russia to grow in domestic & international for another 6yrs, what's 20B? Sure his contribution is worth more than FB, Microsoft & Google CEO combined.
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  225. Corvinus says:
    @TT

    Generation Z in particular is quite motivated and will have their presence felt at the ballot box within the next decade.

     

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?

    How about going for something bigger, a first Black & Female Potus, Oprah Winfrey vs Malia or Michelle Obama? Sure a lesser evil one will make a good Potus, term after term never failed.

    “So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?”

    Great question, since Generation Z is not beholden to political parties–they are skeptical of both groups. Depends upon the issues. Some are on board with restricting immigration, which is fine, but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!

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    The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction. The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.

    Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path.

    but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!
     
    Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal, and are spreading this disease to the world now by msm glorifying LGBT.

    And opiod will make West a sick man like China under opium war era. What a retribution.

    Don't blame Jewish & elitist, its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state.

    God don't help Americans, you do. Protest with civil disorder. Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity.
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  226. TT says:
    @yurivku

    So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?
     
    Next should be one legged mexican (or Chinese) transgendered lesbian.
    It's party assignment means nothing.

    Lol. Perhaps a one eyed Indian Muslim lesbian with thick beard & a pirate hook arm who shriek like Niki will be more fun.

    Now you should count Russia lucky to have more liberal choice of decent candidates to choose from, than US 2parties rotation system throwing up lesser evils everytime.

    Btw, Putin should be given a higher vote like 85% to give the West corrupted leaders a tight slap, a rating they could ever wet dream of.

    Under tremendous sanctions & containment, Russia continue to grow in strength, even become one of biggest grain exporter is remarkable. As Putin said he will be able to channel more resources into domestic development after US nonsense stop. Also don’t expect him to work till 100, he still got 20B to spend as West msm accused.

    If he could save Russia from 1990′s abyss & existential onslaught now, helping Russia to grow in domestic & international for another 6yrs, what’s 20B? Sure his contribution is worth more than FB, Microsoft & Google CEO combined.

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  227. TT says:
    @Corvinus
    "So who will they vote next time to make their presence felt at ballot box, Democrat or Republican?"

    Great question, since Generation Z is not beholden to political parties--they are skeptical of both groups. Depends upon the issues. Some are on board with restricting immigration, which is fine, but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!

    The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction. The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.

    Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path.

    but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!

    Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal, and are spreading this disease to the world now by msm glorifying LGBT.

    And opiod will make West a sick man like China under opium war era. What a retribution.

    Don’t blame Jewish & elitist, its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state.

    God don’t help Americans, you do. Protest with civil disorder. Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity.

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    "The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction.

    There are certain parts of our political institutions that are not functioning properly.

    "The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest."

    Actually, people select candidates to run for office.

    "Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path."

    No suicide path, just a path the West has taken. And remember, the United States was "diverse" since its inception with European ethnic groups who historically were rivals until they arrived here as immigrants.

    "Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal..."

    Please articulate in what specific ways from your perspective how the "West are descending below animal". This ought to be good...

    "Don’t blame Jewish & elitist..."

    Aw, mom, it's still light outside. I'm not doing anything wrong. Honest.

    "...its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state."

    The implication here is that WHITE Americans generally lack any sense. I object to your anti-white sentiments.

    "Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity."

    But you just said that "Americans sleep through their elections" and "the West are below animal". Are you confused?
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  228. TT says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Yes, yurivku, we have attended rallies and will keep doing so. You’re right that MANY more sensible people in the USA and elsewhere need to get off their butts and start coalling and emailing their reps, visiting and sitting in at district offices of their congressmen, marching, voting, donating, and yes, protesting in the streets. I’m frustrated, too, that others don’t do more, and we are paying a serious price for their complacency.

    But back off a bit, before you get too judgmental. Unlike the bitter feminist “cat ladies”, lazy college students, homosexuals, paid agitators, Africans, and other misfits in the “antifa” and “p——-hat” crowds, people in our camp very often have full-time jobs (or more) and a family to raise. In the USA, a far higher proportion of a leftist crowd will be childless people, compared to our crowd, due to those characteristic demographic differences.

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    I am not the problem here, bro, either in my views or in my getting out there to advocate and push back. Blame the apathetic Americans. You’re not talking to one now.

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    When a country is already dysfunction, slipping into abysmal with perpetual wars, what future can your children have in learning those things?

    The majority fools don’t know what to do. The bottom poors felt helpless. The top elites are too happy to exploit. Left the middle class like you that could make a real change, but are all too occupied with bread & butter needs.

    Indeed only Russia-China God can save America now. After collapsing the hedgmon to drain the parasitic swamps, perhaps Americans can resurrect to rebuild everything again like their forefathers did.

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    Well after I've read this

    I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.
     
    I've lost desire to continue. It's clear that everything will happen without participation of those "clever Americans", but stupid ones will decide.

    But this

    ...and shooting lessons outside school hours.
     
    is clever.
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  229. TT says:

    Could anyone help to explain what is going on in this world about all these mass immigration & Muslim refugees intake?

    Its appears as a well coordinated, well targeted movement direct at all developed countries esp the West, with all their leaders insanely supporting such reckless immigration policy. Something is too strange, these leaders aren’t so stupid to self destroy their own country no matter how corrupted.

    Even Israel that suppose to be blame for all these “Jewish” acts, are also now under George Soros funded NGO to block the reparation of African refugees.

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  230. Corvinus says:
    @TT
    The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction. The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.

    Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path.

    but they are also hooked into diversity, gay marriage, and pro-marijuana. Damn Jewish and elitist media cabal!
     
    Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal, and are spreading this disease to the world now by msm glorifying LGBT.

    And opiod will make West a sick man like China under opium war era. What a retribution.

    Don't blame Jewish & elitist, its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state.

    God don't help Americans, you do. Protest with civil disorder. Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity.

    “The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction.

    There are certain parts of our political institutions that are not functioning properly.

    “The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.”

    Actually, people select candidates to run for office.

    “Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path.”

    No suicide path, just a path the West has taken. And remember, the United States was “diverse” since its inception with European ethnic groups who historically were rivals until they arrived here as immigrants.

    “Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal…”

    Please articulate in what specific ways from your perspective how the “West are descending below animal”. This ought to be good…

    “Don’t blame Jewish & elitist…”

    Aw, mom, it’s still light outside. I’m not doing anything wrong. Honest.

    “…its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state.”

    The implication here is that WHITE Americans generally lack any sense. I object to your anti-white sentiments.

    “Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity.”

    But you just said that “Americans sleep through their elections” and “the West are below animal”. Are you confused?

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    “The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.”

    Actually, people select candidates to run for office.
     
    Ok, then Americans shouldn't whine about their declining state since all candidates are their choice.

    But I don't agreed. Its obvious Hilary was put there as pre-endorsed candidate instead of the more popular Sanders, and why only 2 candidates for Democrats? The party decided who to endorse, isn't it?

    The whole system is essentially 2 parties providing their chosen array of candidates that whoever get selected, eventually still toe the lobbyists' & big donors' line. Trumps is a good example. I doubt if one of those Cubans or Chris was to win, there will be any different.

    West Democracy- a capitalist cooked up system where people are given a false hope for a change in next election, a safety valve to release any pressure short from uprising rebellion.

    Promoting democracy to the rest of world under humanity disguise- is a way the West leaders & capitalist could legitimately put their choiced puppet to rule over them, a mutilated colonization without army or hypocrite humanity intervention.

    No suicide path, just a path the West has taken. And remember, the United States was “diverse” since its inception with European ethnic groups who historically were rivals until they arrived here as immigrants.
     
    Well if you think so, then ok, its your choice of life. But many seem to against those excessive diversification & uncontrolled immigration policy. Isn't that's reason Trumps was elected to put a stop? EU is slipping down that same path too, just go read about UK, France & Germany chaotic condition now.

    I strongly believe diversification & immigration must be anchored on meritocracy basis, not do for the sake of increasing cheap labour & GDP or for pursuing votes from minorities group as in US. Otherwise, its a sure prescription to destroy a prosperous harmonized society which i can find my country is slipping into now.

    Please articulate in what specific ways from your perspective how the “West are descending below animal”. This ought to be good…
     
    That was a quote from Pres Putin when he made a dig on LBGT issue. Yes, you don't find animals going after same sex for mating, but the West are now fervently glorifying LBGT. That's not a civilized human race should behave. Its against every main stream religions, and every moral standard values.

    Just leave LGBT alone, don't persecuted/ discriminate them like Muslims is enough. But to glorify & promote that as a norm or new trendy lifestyle, with supporting laws & colorful parades, and politicians courting for their votes with ridiculous policies, are just absurd. I won't want my children to be LBGT, period.

    The implication here is that WHITE Americans generally lack any sense. I object to your anti-white sentiments.
     
    I didn't specify whites, Americans include all, black, Latino & Asians too, collectively they elected these parasitic politicians & Potus into office. So its not anti-white here that you might wrongly grasp.

    But you just said that “Americans sleep through their elections” and “the West are below animal”. Are you confused?
     
    Im not confused, indeed Americans consistently failed to rise & change the corrupted system, chosing warmongers term after term with false hope.

    Why not try elect a Green party like some EU countries to drain the swamp? And yes your Americans civilization is sliding below animal, if you continue to glorify LBGT absurdly. The whole world is watching US destroying itself, in every way & form.

    We can agree to disagree, but i believe most sane ones will agree with my common sense opinion.
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  231. TT says:
    @Corvinus
    "The entire US democracy system is simply dysfunction.

    There are certain parts of our political institutions that are not functioning properly.

    "The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest."

    Actually, people select candidates to run for office.

    "Diversity & uncontrolled immigration is the nonsense that destroy all country, yet all West developed countries are taking that proven suicide path."

    No suicide path, just a path the West has taken. And remember, the United States was "diverse" since its inception with European ethnic groups who historically were rivals until they arrived here as immigrants.

    "Even animal know how to choose their partner, yet the West are descending below animal..."

    Please articulate in what specific ways from your perspective how the "West are descending below animal". This ought to be good...

    "Don’t blame Jewish & elitist..."

    Aw, mom, it's still light outside. I'm not doing anything wrong. Honest.

    "...its Americans who sleep through their every elections with false hope given by deep state."

    The implication here is that WHITE Americans generally lack any sense. I object to your anti-white sentiments.

    "Form a reliable 3rd party consist of working class to take back power in next election to reinstall sanity."

    But you just said that "Americans sleep through their elections" and "the West are below animal". Are you confused?

    “The capitalists select all candidates, whoever you elect still serve their interest.”

    Actually, people select candidates to run for office.

    Ok, then Americans shouldn’t whine about their declining state since all candidates are their choice.

    But I don’t agreed. Its obvious Hilary was put there as pre-endorsed candidate instead of the more popular Sanders, and why only 2 candidates for Democrats? The party decided who to endorse, isn’t it?

    The whole system is essentially 2 parties providing their chosen array of candidates that whoever get selected, eventually still toe the lobbyists’ & big donors’ line. Trumps is a good example. I doubt if one of those Cubans or Chris was to win, there will be any different.

    West Democracy- a capitalist cooked up system where people are given a false hope for a change in next election, a safety valve to release any pressure short from uprising rebellion.

    Promoting democracy to the rest of world under humanity disguise- is a way the West leaders & capitalist could legitimately put their choiced puppet to rule over them, a mutilated colonization without army or hypocrite humanity intervention.

    No suicide path, just a path the West has taken. And remember, the United States was “diverse” since its inception with European ethnic groups who historically were rivals until they arrived here as immigrants.

    Well if you think so, then ok, its your choice of life. But many seem to against those excessive diversification & uncontrolled immigration policy. Isn’t that’s reason Trumps was elected to put a stop? EU is slipping down that same path too, just go read about UK, France & Germany chaotic condition now.

    I strongly believe diversification & immigration must be anchored on meritocracy basis, not do for the sake of increasing cheap labour & GDP or for pursuing votes from minorities group as in US. Otherwise, its a sure prescription to destroy a prosperous harmonized society which i can find my country is slipping into now.

    Please articulate in what specific ways from your perspective how the “West are descending below animal”. This ought to be good…

    That was a quote from Pres Putin when he made a dig on LBGT issue. Yes, you don’t find animals going after same sex for mating, but the West are now fervently glorifying LBGT. That’s not a civilized human race should behave. Its against every main stream religions, and every moral standard values.

    Just leave LGBT alone, don’t persecuted/ discriminate them like Muslims is enough. But to glorify & promote that as a norm or new trendy lifestyle, with supporting laws & colorful parades, and politicians courting for their votes with ridiculous policies, are just absurd. I won’t want my children to be LBGT, period.

    The implication here is that WHITE Americans generally lack any sense. I object to your anti-white sentiments.

    I didn’t specify whites, Americans include all, black, Latino & Asians too, collectively they elected these parasitic politicians & Potus into office. So its not anti-white here that you might wrongly grasp.

    But you just said that “Americans sleep through their elections” and “the West are below animal”. Are you confused?

    Im not confused, indeed Americans consistently failed to rise & change the corrupted system, chosing warmongers term after term with false hope.

    Why not try elect a Green party like some EU countries to drain the swamp? And yes your Americans civilization is sliding below animal, if you continue to glorify LBGT absurdly. The whole world is watching US destroying itself, in every way & form.

    We can agree to disagree, but i believe most sane ones will agree with my common sense opinion.

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  232. yurivku says:
    @TT

    I work more than fifty hours per week, attend church, and have three young children who have or are taking on commitments for language instruction, swimming lessons, and shooting lessons outside school hours. I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.
     
    When a country is already dysfunction, slipping into abysmal with perpetual wars, what future can your children have in learning those things?

    The majority fools don't know what to do. The bottom poors felt helpless. The top elites are too happy to exploit. Left the middle class like you that could make a real change, but are all too occupied with bread & butter needs.

    Indeed only Russia-China God can save America now. After collapsing the hedgmon to drain the parasitic swamps, perhaps Americans can resurrect to rebuild everything again like their forefathers did.

    Well after I’ve read this

    I’m sorry that I can’t fit more street presence and political activism into my schedule to met your standards.

    I’ve lost desire to continue. It’s clear that everything will happen without participation of those “clever Americans”, but stupid ones will decide.

    But this

    …and shooting lessons outside school hours.

    is clever.

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    Well, living in crimes riddled US is quite dangerous & stressful, many do send their children for shooting lesson & carry a gun.

    Good guys are just feeling helpless with the situation, just hoping thing will work out by itself, so come the magic spells - God saves America. That's happening in my country too, many complaint a lot but no action. LoL.
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  233. @Vojkan
    The US is playing a game of chicken. If it backs down, it loses face, which means about everything since the only thing holding the Anglo-Zionist empire is its façade. The problem is Russia can't afford to back down either, if she backs down, she signs her death sentence.
    On the plus side, we may be living the last days of the Anglo-Zionist empire that has inflicted so much evil to the world in the last ~150 years.
    On the minus side, we may be living the last days of the reign of mammals on Earth.

    Inflicting so much evil on the world for so long can only come from an authentic Evil Empire. The US has labeled the former Soviet Union as such and it was an MSM norm. Then came George W. Bush’s Axis of Evil, yet another MSM norm. Yet my post was deleted here because I called the US for what it is, the Evil Empire. I still cannot think of a country or countries (along with Zionist Israel) that better fit that definition.

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  234. Corvinus says:

    “But many seem to against those excessive diversification & uncontrolled immigration policy.”

    The support and opposition for diversity and immigration is on a continuum.

    “Isn’t that’s reason Trumps was elected to put a stop?”

    One of many reasons why Trump was elected, although he had supported immigration in the past. His clothing line had been outsourced.

    “I strongly believe diversification & immigration must be anchored on meritocracy basis…”

    Absolutely.

    “…not do for the sake of increasing cheap labour & GDP or for pursuing votes from minorities group as in US.”

    That is not necessar