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Trump Unchained

“For any minimally conscious American citizen, it is absolutely evident that Donald Trump is not only facing the mammoth Clinton political machine, but, also the combined forces of the viciously dishonest Mainstream Media.”

-Boyd D. Cathey, “The Tape, the Conspiracy, and the Death of the Old Politics”, Unz Review

“The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary.”

-Donald Trump, Twitter

When was the last time the media threw 100% of its support behind one party’s presidential candidate? What does that say about the media?

Do you feel comfortable with the idea that a handful of TV and print-news executives are inserting themselves into the process and choosing our leaders for us? Is that the way democracy is supposed to work?

Check out this blurb from The Hill:

“The broadcast evening news programs ABC, NBC and CBS covered allegations against Trump by several women who claim he sexually assaulted them for more than 23 minutes on Thursday night. But revelations in the WikiLeaks dump of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta which included…sympathy for Wall Street, advocation for open borders and blatant examples of media collusion ….got a whole 1 minute and 7 seconds combined.”

Ratio of negative coverage of Trump to Clinton: 23:1

In print on Thursday, it was no better. The New York Times had 11 negative stories on Trump…But zero on Clinton/WikiLeaks.

Ratio: 11:0.” (Media and Trump bias; Not even trying to hide it anymore, The Hill)

The article in The Hill also refers to a survey by the Washington Post and ABC News that asks participants six questions about allegations of sexual misconduct by Trump, but zero questions about Podesta’s incriminating emails.

Is that what you call “balance”?

I should state out-front, that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate, Trump or Clinton, so my claims of “bias” are not grounded in support for one candidate or the other. I am simply ticked-off by the fact that the media honchos have pulled out all the stops and are inserting themselves in the process to produce the outcome they want.

That’s what you call “rigging” an election. When you turn on Washington Week (Gwen Ifil) on public TV and see an assembled panel of six pundits–three conservatives and three liberals–and all six turn out to love Hillary and hate Trump; you can be reasonably certain that the election is rigged, because that’s what rigging is. Rather than providing background information about the candidate’s position on the issues so voters can make an informed decision, the media uses opinionmakers to heap praise on one candidate while savagely denigrating the other. The obvious goal is to shape public opinion in the way that best suits the interests of the people who own the media and who belong to the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent. In this case, the ruling class unanimously backs Hillary Clinton, that much is obvious.

Fortunately, the tide is turning on the mainstream media as people look to other, more reliable sources for their information. It should come as no surprise that people are more distrustful of media than ever before and that that a great many feel that the media is conducting a brutal class war against ordinary working people. Surely, anyone who has followed economic developments at all in the last seven years, knows that the policies of the Fed have created a yawning chasm between rich and poor that is only getting worse as long as the levers of power stay in the hands of establishment politicians. Hillary Clinton is certainly the worst of these establishment politicos. Aside from being the most widely-reviled candidate the Democrats have ever nominated, she is the embodiment of political corruption and cronyism. How is it, you may ask, that someone like Clinton was able to nab “upwards of $225,000 per speech” from Goldman Sachs if she wasn’t influence peddling?

Does it really matter what she said in these speeches?

Not to me. The huge sums of money prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Clinton is selling access, tacitly agreeing to “go easy” on the big Wall Street investment banks provided they keep her foundation’s coffers overflowing. What other possible explanation could there be?

Do as many Americans know about Hillary’s sordid dealings with Wall Street as know about Trump’s “alleged” sexual dalliances?

Of course not. It’s not even close.

Do they know that Clinton was the driving force behind the intervention in Libya and Syria, where hundreds of thousands of civilians have died and seven million have been internally displaced? Do they know she was involved in the toppling of a democratically-elected government in Honduras or that a number of prominent neocons, who dragged the US into war in Iraq based on WMD lies, now support her?

Nope.

Do people know that Hillary had proof that ISIS –America’s arch enemy– was being funded and supported by our allies, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and, yet, she never reported the news to the American people??

Here’s a damning clip from one of the Podesta emails:

“We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to Isis and other radical groups in the region.”

Remember when George W. Bush said that ‘We will treat the terrorists and the people who support the terrorists the same”?

Hillary must not have gotten that memo or we would have bombed Riyadh by now.

Do people know that there has never been a war that Hillary didn’t support, a job-killing “free trade” bill she didn’t back, or a civil liberties-eviscerating piece of legislation (Clinton voted for the original USA PATRIOT Act in 2001, as well as the revised version in 2006.) she wasn’t eager to sign?

Oh, but she does support “women’s reproductive rights” which makes her a big champion of personal freedom among her narrow demographic of successful, educated, white women. Excuse me, for not doing handstands.

Here’s another short clip from the WSWS:

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“Hillary and Bill Clinton have accumulated a total of $153 million in speaking fees since Bill Clinton left the White House. Only the very naïve could believe that these vast sums were paid for the speeches themselves. They were payment for services rendered to the American financial aristocracy over a protracted period.” (In secret Goldman Sachs speeches, Clinton explains why the rich should rule, World socialist Web Site)

Get the picture? Hillary Clinton isn’t a candidate, she’s a franchise, a walking ATM machine. And her shady Foundation is nothing more than a vast recycling bin for illicit funds that pour into the political sausage-making machine in the form of contributions and magically transform themselves into special favors for the billionaire class.

Is the system rigged?

You’re damn right it is! Check this out from Zero Hedge under the heading of “73% Of Republicans Say Election Could Be “Stolen” As Trump Slams “Rigged Elections”:

“A Politico/Morning Consult Poll found that 41% of registered voters say that the election cold be stolen from Trump while 73% of Republicans fear the same.

The American electorate has turned deeply skeptical about the integrity of the nation’s election apparatus, with 41 percent of voters saying November’s election could be “stolen” from Donald Trump due to widespread voter fraud.

The new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll — conducted among 1,999 registered voters Oct. 13 through Oct. 15 — shows that Trump’s repeated warnings about a “rigged” election are having effect: 73 percent of Republicans think the election could be swiped from him. Just 17 percent of Democrats agree with the prospect of massive fraud at the ballot box.” (Zero Hedge)

Should we be worried about the election being rigged? Should we be concerned that a significant number of Americans no longer trust the “integrity of the electoral process”?

And how are these allegations (that the election was stolen) going to impact Hillary’s ability to govern?

It’s going to impact it dramatically, in fact, it could stop her dead in her tracks. It could even precipitate a Constitutional crisis. And that’s where all this is headed, isn’t it?

Consider this: Maybe Trump isn’t really trying to win any more. Maybe he knows he can’t overcome a 12 point deficit this late in the game, so he’s going to pull a Samson. He’s going to shake the pillars and bring the whole rotten temple crashing down around him. He’s going use all his influence to discredit this fake democratic system the elites have painstakingly put together to control the public, he’s going to grow his throng of angry supporters into a small army, and he’s going to spearhead a (mainly) right wing populist movement that is going impose gridlock on Washington, deepen the political divisions, acrimony and polarization across the country, and make Clinton’s tenure as president a living hell.

That’s the gameplan. He’s going to marshal enough grassroots support that Clinton will spend her entire four years bogged down in endless investigations, fending off charges of criminal misconduct, and leap-frogging from one seedy scandal to the next.

No, Trump isn’t planning on winning. He doesn’t want to be president. He wants to be a modern-day Braveheart leading the peasants into battle against a thoroughly-corrupt and heinous ruling class establishment. That’s what he wants, and that’s why political has-beens like Gingrich and Giuliani have attached themselves to him like the plague. They see an opening for resurrecting their own dismal careers.

In any event, Hillary’s going to win the election, that’s for sure. But don’t count Trump out just yet. He’s just getting warmed up.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.

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  1. Please think carefully about this and don’t trivialize Trump’s candidacy. The best way to understand Trump’s thinking is to listen to his policy addresses. Please vote for Trump! We desperately need every single vote.

    Regaining control from the political establishment (October 13, 2016; West Palm Beach, FL)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF8rs4CYAPI

    Immigration Control (Phoenix, August 31, 2016)

    Foreign Policy (Washington DC, April 27, 2016)

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  2. I wish Trump had presented a more nuanced view on abortion. He may have lost some of the support that he was getting from pissed-off liberals.

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    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
    FA,

    The reason the abortion debate is so fractious is because it defies nuance and compromise.

    There is no compromise possible between whether a fetus is, or is not, a human child.

    There is no compromise possible between terminating a pregnancy or continuing it.

    This is an area where both candidates -- contra recent trends in political speech -- are being logical and true to their basic positions.

    If a fetus is not a human being, then there is nothing wrong with aborting it.

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.
  3. Where did your 12-point deficit for Trump data come from? That’s another myth pushed by our corporate media, “don’t vote for a loser!” In today’s survey by independent Rasmussen they are tied:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct19

    Today’s Rasmussen Reports White House Watch telephone and online survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump each picking up 42% support among Likely U.S. Voters. Seven percent (7%) still prefer Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, while one percent (1%) opt for Green Party nominee Jill Stein. But three percent (3%) like some other candidate in the race, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

    Note our media does cover Libertarian (who steals votes from Trump) but not Green, who should steal lots of votes from Clinton. Does it bother any democrats that the evil Bush family openly supports Clinton?

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  4. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, a Clinton ‘win’ means a Trump unbridled from being ‘presidential’ which will allow him to go hog wild.

    He owes favors to no one.

    Very interesting times.

    Give ‘em hell, Donald!

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    That will go precisely nowhere. How can it?

    You need to elect Trump. It is worth it just for the limits on govt. to lobbyist interchange. The only reason that hasn't received a resounding cheer is that most of your politicians count on it to shift them to the just sub-super-rich class.

    Bern wasn't immune to buying a new house in an expensive place by diverting campaign funds.

    Hillary will do her diabolical best to make more wars.

    One of those priests specialising in exorcism should examine her.

    Her hearing of Ghaddafi's horrific fate, then doing a shit paraphrase of Julius of ancient times with We came, we saw, he died, followed by a demonic cackle, was pretty indicative.

    Her much earlier handling, as a lawyer, of a rape case, where she was defending the rapist, though she was convinced that he was guilty, then laughing at her own cleverness at having him acquitted, and laughing at the victim, whom she had deprived of justice.

    Clearly demonic behaviour.

    Not to mention the rest of a very long list between those, and after We came, we saw, he died, cackle, cackle.
  5. trumpets and strumpets
    strutting on red carpets
    a raucous parade comes to town
    bells and whistles,the odd clown
    mainstreet awash in falling confetti
    welcome this years don and nefertiti
    talking heads shriek on with the show
    as contestants trade blow for blow
    yesterdays leader welcomes tomorrows pro
    more of the same for those in the know

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Wally
    I hope whoever wrote that doesn't quit their day job. Yikes!
  6. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    he’s going to grow his throng of angry supporters into a small army, and he’s going to spearhead a (mainly) right wing populist movement that is going impose gridlock on Washington, deepen the political divisions, acrimony and polarization across the country, and make Clinton’s tenure as president a living hell.

    If it isn’t ruled illegal.

    As for Trump’s defeat, why does it look so established to you?
    Polls can be rigged too.

    When was the last time the media threw 100% of its support behind one party’s presidential candidate? What does that say about the media?

    As recently as in the occasion of the Brexit referendum.
    And you got the now customary handful of Clooneys, Lindsay Lohans and Di Caprios issuing reminders on what the correct vote was to their fandom.
    Alongside the J. K. Rowlings, “writers” and “intellectuals” (which means someone with a high-IQ that, while lacking proficiency in singing acting or telling jokes manages to do a similar job in the showbiz, earning similar rewards in terms of public visibility. If only on Twitter in the less fortunate cases).

    All telling us that when we speak of the entire media, we still are drawing a non-exhaustive chart of the propaganda apparatus and indoctrination might at work.

    In the EU, every real-right, anti-globalist promising leader has long faced the Trump treatment (not so in Ukraine, by contrast…).

    You see this politically terroristic strategy of denoting every idea that doesn’t fall in line with the hegemonic globalists’ aims as “far right”, “extreme right” “retrograde”, which are subtler than the more-mainstream “xenophobic” “racist” et al. and effective with a different, more reflective and moderate, people.

    It seems that it is in politics and election-shifting that “communication sciences”, that is the technique and art to influence the mind of people, is finding its best use, still more than in selling to people merchandise they don’t need.

    the policies of the Fed have created a yawning chasm between rich and poor that is only getting worse as long as the levers of power stay in the hands of establishment politicians.

    Why do these folks like any vestige of self-restraint ability?
    The ability to self-moderate would make their prepotence virtually unnoticed, thus unopposed and endless.
    In contrast, history tells us no prepotence is ever-lasting (although, to be sure, prepotence in itself is ever-lasting).

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  7. I should state out-front, that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate, Trump or Clinton, so my claims of “bias” are not grounded in support for one candidate or the other.

    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don’t be a silly prima donna, this sheeeet is passé . Over and out!

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    • Agree: Bill, Ace
    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don’t be a silly prima donna
     
    I must laugh here because you are a silly prima donna who believes someone else's vote is any business of yours.

    I will vote for no candidate I believe is unqualified. That rules out every candidate for president, on any current ticket.

    Please don't concern yourself with my vote. Alternatively, kiss my butt.
    , @Helen
    Well... None of them is a saint, it's about: "who is less dirty". Media is payed, and elections are always rigged (my opinion!). It's just who will pay more to be in the White House.
    , @Thirdeye
    Trump seems genuinely confused and incoherent on the middle east, which is the most pressing issue of this campaign. He's got good instincts on Syria but is a complete maniac on Iran, which is the underpinning of the messes the US has created in Iraq and Syria. Pence was an awful choice for his running mate. IMHO he looks like he would be a weak and easily manipulated President, or worse, could self-destruct and leave Pence in power. Then we'd be stuck with a garden variety religious nut as President, who is as cozy as anyone with the establishment that Trump is running in opposition to.

    Neither Trump or Clinton are supportable. I'm voting for Johnson.
  8. Despite everything that is being done to propel the Clintons back into power and despite Donald’s undeniably obnoxious and boorish personality – Hillary is still struggling to maintain a lead: doesn’t say much for her eh? And, mind you, a lot of people who are ashamed to admit it to the pollsters are actually going to vote for Trump. On top of all that the integrity of the polls is, and always has been, highly questionable.

    Trump has a better chance than the article suggests.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    And by all means keep emphasizing that "obnoxious and boorish personality." It adds so much to our understanding of who he is and it's really helpful in getting Trump elected.
  9. The fix is in, the Wicked Witch of the East will ‘win’ the WH next month, especially considering she has the important DIEBOLD/ESS voting bloc locked up.

    The democrats will win both houses of Congress, to ensure that no Republican is in charge of any committee that might get uppity and want an investigation of the Clinton Mob crimes.

    Think it’s bad now? Wait until a couple of years under Hillary’s lash.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Friday after the election, win, lose or draw, Obama grants her a pardon for everything she's done, anything she may have done, circa 1972-present. Doesn't matter what committees do at that point except to humiliate her. They have had that power all along and didn't do it. We've been failed by our Republican majorities. They were the last bulwark.
    , @Ace
    Do majority parties ever give congressional committee chairmanships to minority members?
    , @dahoit
    Who'll pardon Obomba?If I'm going down,she's going with me,sounds right to me.
    Please,Donald,put the fear of God into these traitor scum.
  10. “No, Trump isn’t planning on winning. He doesn’t want to be president. He wants to be a modern-day Braveheart leading the peasants into battle against a thoroughly-corrupt and heinous ruling class establishment.”

    You do recall how Braveheart met his end, right? I doubt Trump will stick around for the disembowling. Keep in mind also that despite a Constitutional bar on attainder, HRC and her henchpersons in the establishment will find some way to visit a pox on his heirs and family.

    No, Trump needs to win this one, and his administration needs to utterly extirpate the Clinton dynasty … He might throw in the Bush dynasty for good measure, and a pox on the Kristols and NR crowd too.

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    • Replies: @Helen
    I think that Trump wouldn't win anyway, because Clinton has all bureaucratic power in her hands
  11. Sorry Mike – The brainwashed Americans are aware of the fact that Donald Trump is opposed by the Organized Jewry and its anti-Muslim Hindutva allies – but being Christian sheep for a very long times – Americans have no choice but to obey country’s Zionist controlled mainstream media.

    Donald Trump’s bigotry against 1.9 billion Muslim population, is very popular among the anti-Muslim and anti-immigration Zionist Christian and Jewish racist voters. By his statements, actions and family links, Trump has proven to be a Judas Goat.

    On Saturday, Trump was the keynote speaker at an election fundraising event held by the Republican Hindu Coalition at the New Jersey Convention and Exposition Center. Trump praised India as America’s best ally in Asia (against China), and promised the Hindu audience that if elected he could be the best man Hindus and India ever had in the White House….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/16/donald-trump-from-judas-to-hindutva-goat/

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    • Replies: @Ace
    I assume that those 1.9 billion Muslims all agree on the subjugation of women, genital mutilation of women, polygamy, death for apostasy and blasphemy, destruction of Christian churches, the flatness of the earth, death for homosexuality, honor killings, second-class status for infidels, slavery, and supremacy of shariah over, say, the U.S. Constitution.

    Those Muslims?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Hindus in New Jersey seem to be on Team Trump.
    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/789121400250380288
  12. @The Alarmist

    "No, Trump isn’t planning on winning. He doesn’t want to be president. He wants to be a modern-day Braveheart leading the peasants into battle against a thoroughly-corrupt and heinous ruling class establishment."
     
    You do recall how Braveheart met his end, right? I doubt Trump will stick around for the disembowling. Keep in mind also that despite a Constitutional bar on attainder, HRC and her henchpersons in the establishment will find some way to visit a pox on his heirs and family.

    No, Trump needs to win this one, and his administration needs to utterly extirpate the Clinton dynasty ... He might throw in the Bush dynasty for good measure, and a pox on the Kristols and NR crowd too.

    I think that Trump wouldn’t win anyway, because Clinton has all bureaucratic power in her hands

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  13. Yeah but you won’t pick a side. You won’t vote Trump so you’re with her. Fuck you Mike.

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  14. ” I should state out-front that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate”

    Which means that you are voting for HC, and you don’t even realize it.

    You ignorant fools who somehow think that DT is not “Intellectual” or sophisticated enough, simply turn my stomach.

    The most bizzare aspect being that the democrat candidate is totally uneducated regarding world history, and the various chains of events which lead to armed conflict, her taunting and insulting of VP being a perfect example of the kind of arrogance and stupidity which leads to war.

    Authenticjazzman, pro jazz performer, conservative, and “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years. ( DT 2016 )

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    The most bizzare aspect being that the democrat candidate is totally uneducated regarding world history
     
    She's quite educated, but she, like all before her, think THEY are special. But in the end, human nature regarding tyranny never changes. Those under the tyrants eventually destroy the tyrants and all who enabled them, including their families. Lots of gated communities filled with the allies of tyrants, they're all over the place, thinking THEY are special too.
  15. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The Historic Native Born White American Working Class will not consent to be governed by the Old Farting Adult Diaper Wearing Lesbian that Noam Chomsky is enthusiastically voting for…

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    What are the HNBWAWC going to do about it? So, not consent all you want, what's it to them?
  16. After detailing the absolute corruption trailing in the wake of the Clintons and their establishment allies you still declare that you will not vote for Trump, the only effective way of stopping this Clintonista negotium perambulans in tenebris. That’s crass political immorality.

    Then, after acknowledging the crooked misreporting during this election by the MSM, you suggest that the reported poll results — the reported results suggesting a dead heat — indicate a guaranteed Trump defeat And this after the BREXIT vote has demonstrated exactly how much these polls are worth. That’s just stupidity! Or maybe just more Clinton Hasbara.

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  17. The obvious goal is to shape public opinion in the way that best suits the interests of the people who own the media and who belong to the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent.

    “Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise!”

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  18. Please. Don’t believe the phony media polls that sample 58% democrats and only 24% Republicans for an insane +34% Dem sample (yes, they actually used that spread in an Arizona poll). Trump’s own internal polling currently shows a tie and he’s gaining each week. The key is to go out and vote and make the margin so large that they can’t steal it.

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  19. The obvious goal is to shape public opinion in the way that best suits the interests of the people who own the media and who belong to the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent.

    Fortunately, the tide is turning on the mainstream media…

    When I read stupid statements like that from someone as savvy as Mr Whitney, it tells me that the game has long been up. Media brainwashing obviously works when even people like him parrot elite media terms in so unthinking a manner.

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is “mainstream” when it represents the interests of “the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?”

    Anyway, the game is nothing new, so why do so many people these days express shock, surprise and disappointment?

    “You know well that [the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to G. K. van Hogendorp, Paris, Oct. 13, 1785

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    • Replies: @another fred

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is “mainstream” when it represents the interests of “the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?”
     
    Because they have most of the people fooled most of the time. Fox has managed to take off a slice of the biz, but even they don't really stray too far.
    , @Jim Christian
    You're going to find Fred Reed's upcoming article quite in sync with the truth, Jaques..
  20. In 1950, the country was 90% white. In 1980, the country was 80% white. In 2016, the country is 60% white…….approaching 50% if you include the illegals. Even a mensa member or college professor could spot the trend. Der Trumpster is whitey male’s last gasp…….the jooie led parasites have managed to kill the host.

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    ...the jooie led parasites have managed to kill the host.

    Not to mention what they've killed in the middle-east and and in formerly white Christian Europe.

    They are evil incarnate.
  21. @nsa
    In 1950, the country was 90% white. In 1980, the country was 80% white. In 2016, the country is 60% white.......approaching 50% if you include the illegals. Even a mensa member or college professor could spot the trend. Der Trumpster is whitey male's last gasp.......the jooie led parasites have managed to kill the host.

    …the jooie led parasites have managed to kill the host.

    Not to mention what they’ve killed in the middle-east and and in formerly white Christian Europe.

    They are evil incarnate.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    And there will be no one to demand that they share what THEY have acquired..
  22. Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.

    Republican candidate Donald Trump’s campaign team has aggressively sought to win votes from Americans living overseas in Israel, but the latest polls taken of the Jewish population show Trump trailing far behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/losing-israel-almost/

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.
     
    Precisely. Viva la revolucion! Start prepping now. The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.
    , @Ace
    Oh, please, Jacques. There's genuine alarm amongst the MSM, GOPe, and cuckservative plantations. Hillary's status quo; Trump isn't. The sellout class scum know this. Hence, enough of a difference not to play the tired ol' Tweedledum-Tweedledee song.
    , @dahoit
    Mondoweiss is run by liberal Jews who hate Trump so anything from them is as truthful as TD,TO Salon,Alternet,Common dreams,Intercept etc etc.
    IOW;Not much .
    The Jews don't like Trump.In fact they always use Drumpf,as evidence of their anti goyim hatred.
    Which means of course,Trump is good.
  23. @Clyde

    I should state out-front, that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate, Trump or Clinton, so my claims of “bias” are not grounded in support for one candidate or the other.
     
    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don't be a silly prima donna, this sheeeet is passé . Over and out!

    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don’t be a silly prima donna

    I must laugh here because you are a silly prima donna who believes someone else’s vote is any business of yours.

    I will vote for no candidate I believe is unqualified. That rules out every candidate for president, on any current ticket.

    Please don’t concern yourself with my vote. Alternatively, kiss my butt.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Clyde
    OK...... You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.
  24. @jacques sheete
    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.

    Republican candidate Donald Trump’s campaign team has aggressively sought to win votes from Americans living overseas in Israel, but the latest polls taken of the Jewish population show Trump trailing far behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/losing-israel-almost/

     

    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.

    Precisely. Viva la revolucion! Start prepping now. The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest."
     
    JJS, you've gone 21st Century soft on us by dropping the apropriate nouns ... if you are going to go Roman, it's kill the men, and rape and enslave the women and children.
  25. @jacques sheete

    The obvious goal is to shape public opinion in the way that best suits the interests of the people who own the media and who belong to the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent.

    Fortunately, the tide is turning on the mainstream media...
     
    When I read stupid statements like that from someone as savvy as Mr Whitney, it tells me that the game has long been up. Media brainwashing obviously works when even people like him parrot elite media terms in so unthinking a manner.

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is "mainstream" when it represents the interests of "the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?"

    Anyway, the game is nothing new, so why do so many people these days express shock, surprise and disappointment?


    “You know well that [the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to G. K. van Hogendorp, Paris, Oct. 13, 1785
     

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is “mainstream” when it represents the interests of “the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?”

    Because they have most of the people fooled most of the time. Fox has managed to take off a slice of the biz, but even they don’t really stray too far.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Damn, yer good! They certainly do have most of the people fooled and that sadly includes many otherwise fine scribblers on this site.
  26. Whitney, Trump is no Braveheart. He is a 70-year old adolescent brat who has been spoiled rotten by ill-gotten wealth his entire life. He now seeks ever-greater power and control over the lives of ordinary people, as do all other candidates in this putridly rotten plutocracy.

    The only plus, and a big “maybe”, in all this is the growing awareness by Americans (but by no means all Americans) that the media, the press, the entertainment industry, and the mechanisms of the arcane spoils system we call a “government” are irretrievably corrupt.

    The millions of aliens being imported have but one purpose, indeed. To replace real Americans and bring an end to citizen democracy. But, how are a million Somalis going to produce enough revenue to support even one Senator in the lifestyle he or she desires?

    I think our Corrupt Ones have made several errors of calculation.

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  27. Who is looking for an old fashion hero in a Spaghetti Western?

    When a no good, womanizing smuggler runs into a gang of killers and child slavers, you pick the one with a moral compass , albeit an outlaw himself. You cheer when the hard drinking louse takes them out, being so quick on the draw, while muttering “no women, no kids”.

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  28. @another fred

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is “mainstream” when it represents the interests of “the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?”
     
    Because they have most of the people fooled most of the time. Fox has managed to take off a slice of the biz, but even they don't really stray too far.

    Damn, yer good! They certainly do have most of the people fooled and that sadly includes many otherwise fine scribblers on this site.

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  29. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don’t be a silly prima donna
     
    I must laugh here because you are a silly prima donna who believes someone else's vote is any business of yours.

    I will vote for no candidate I believe is unqualified. That rules out every candidate for president, on any current ticket.

    Please don't concern yourself with my vote. Alternatively, kiss my butt.

    OK…… You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    OK…… You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.
     
    First, a loud and boisterous "nannynannybooboo" to you. But, 'diva'? It doesn't sit well in context. I'm more of what Sir Walter Scott termed "an unprincipled voluptuary".

    Anyway, I no longer buy into the concept of "Gawleee, ya gotta cast a vote, or y'aint no Amurrican!" I find myself in a demographic population count fewer than, what, maybe 1 million people? Maybe? Educated, intelligent people who perceive this gigantic hideous mess that has been made of the "American experiment"? All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant. As for "lesser of two evils", I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.

    I've read that the Chinese dynastic cycle averaged 200 years per dynasty over about 4000 years, and I find remarkable similarities between the typical symptoms of the end of a dynastic cycle in China, and the symptoms we are seeing now, at the end of the (initial?) democracy in America.

    Interesting that one theory of what held China together through dynastic change was the imperial examination system (for qualifying local administrators), which kept a very basic administration/government system in place as an entire top-level aristocracy phased out, with varying degrees of violence and civil war.
    , @Jim Christian

    A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.
     
    Or, just far, far from the new diversity.
  30. Pull your head out, Whitney. We can’t let another criminal Clinton sociopath back into the White House. She’s dangerous and the media will cover for her. And that is by your own admission. So go out and vote for Trump. We have no other choice. Close the border, sign better trade deals, stop the idiot wars, and bring education local again. That’s for starters.

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  31. @Fidelios Automata
    I wish Trump had presented a more nuanced view on abortion. He may have lost some of the support that he was getting from pissed-off liberals.

    FA,

    The reason the abortion debate is so fractious is because it defies nuance and compromise.

    There is no compromise possible between whether a fetus is, or is not, a human child.

    There is no compromise possible between terminating a pregnancy or continuing it.

    This is an area where both candidates — contra recent trends in political speech — are being logical and true to their basic positions.

    If a fetus is not a human being, then there is nothing wrong with aborting it.

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I’m just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I’m just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.
     
    It may be "morally intractable" to some, but morals are not ethics, and laws are not, ideally, based upon ephemeral and religion-based definitions of morality, but upon principled ethics.

    One hopes.
    , @RadicalCenter
    At the federal level, there certainly is a compromise readily available on abortion:

    obey the Tenth Amendment and leave the people of each State to decide their own State's laws on abortion (and on just about everything else, too, such as marriage laws, marijuana and alcohol and other drug laws, seat belt and helmet requirements, etc.).
  32. Hillary Clinton’s policy to provoke nuclear war with Russia in order to protect Al Qaeda has me seriously considering voting for Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an imperfect messenger but he does get the crowd going. We probably won’t have another oligarch who puts forth issues Americans care about. They will be like the Clintons, whores for hire.

    I hope Donald doesn’t go the Sarah Palin route. His army of poor whites are easily lied to. Palin and Huckabee still have them fooled. They maintain Israel’s grievances. They watch Fox News and absorb the prejudices and propaganda fed to them through it. They don’t hate on the rich white people who trickle up the economics but Hispanics for taking the jobs. This suites the rich white people fine. Trump is concerned about Hispanics (people who came here partially because they were screwed by rich white people with NAFTA/interventions) and not the rich white people who control the situation. It is one of his faults like his love for Netanyahu. The ruling class doesn’t like them or him. The government continues to expect them to take up arms but so far they have failed to do so. The outcome would probably be a bloody crushed rebellion of people who will have few sympathetic supporters because of their religiosity and traditional conservatism. Its best to have an escape plan like Chalmers Johnson preached!

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Ah, Trump the "imperfect messenger" dealy. Has to appear in any comment on Trump.

    Hillary not at all. Just a former Goldwater Girl.
    , @dahoit
    I truly doubt Trump likes Yahoo,even his own people don't.But as they are conflicted nuts,they vote for him.(enough to rule at least)
    But there is no doubt Congress loves Yahoo.Yoyos for Yahoo.
    Disgusting.Truly.
    Vote them all out,no matter the party.It's the only way to make them responsive.
  33. @Clyde
    OK...... You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.

    OK…… You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.

    First, a loud and boisterous “nannynannybooboo” to you. But, ‘diva’? It doesn’t sit well in context. I’m more of what Sir Walter Scott termed “an unprincipled voluptuary”.

    Anyway, I no longer buy into the concept of “Gawleee, ya gotta cast a vote, or y’aint no Amurrican!” I find myself in a demographic population count fewer than, what, maybe 1 million people? Maybe? Educated, intelligent people who perceive this gigantic hideous mess that has been made of the “American experiment”? All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant. As for “lesser of two evils”, I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.

    I’ve read that the Chinese dynastic cycle averaged 200 years per dynasty over about 4000 years, and I find remarkable similarities between the typical symptoms of the end of a dynastic cycle in China, and the symptoms we are seeing now, at the end of the (initial?) democracy in America.

    Interesting that one theory of what held China together through dynastic change was the imperial examination system (for qualifying local administrators), which kept a very basic administration/government system in place as an entire top-level aristocracy phased out, with varying degrees of violence and civil war.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    China had an overwhelming homogeneous racial majority that persisted through all those tough times and wars. We do not, by design.

    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China's ability to do so then or now.

    , @jacques sheete

    All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant.

     

    A good argument could be made that casting ballots is just plain irrelevant in any case.

    As for “lesser of two evils”, I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.
     
    Amen to that, and Carlin would have agreed...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeMGqTwWA6U
  34. @The Grate Deign
    FA,

    The reason the abortion debate is so fractious is because it defies nuance and compromise.

    There is no compromise possible between whether a fetus is, or is not, a human child.

    There is no compromise possible between terminating a pregnancy or continuing it.

    This is an area where both candidates -- contra recent trends in political speech -- are being logical and true to their basic positions.

    If a fetus is not a human being, then there is nothing wrong with aborting it.

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I’m just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.

    It may be “morally intractable” to some, but morals are not ethics, and laws are not, ideally, based upon ephemeral and religion-based definitions of morality, but upon principled ethics.

    One hopes.

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    • Replies: @edNels
    Hark, where was that said? what a wonderful campaign slogan that could be…

    One hopes.
     
    How'd that work out last time? All that Hopey and Changey kinda thang... yeah get the urban lilt right.

    So, why all the sincerity and heart felt worrying about this election?

    When the Hillary beast is in place, she will experience resistance and have a few that don't agree with her bellicose plans, she will not have complete freedom to do everything easily as maybe she thinks, (I hope…!). I also hope that weasel Kain never gets at the handles! Pence probable wouldn't be bad, he seems to be a plain old fashion Hoosier.

    With these two pre geriatric personalities, persistently dodging from discussing real problems, and avoiding the plain facts (ie: F'd up economy) What would they propose to do about that? No mention other than he says ''build a wall,a very nice wall'',

    That could be a real good make work project too! Like the pyramids or Easter island Tiki culture, make work, or like like in the '30's government projects that are still paying dividends!

    It seems to be anathema to even the enlightened legacy Republicans of today, even those who, if it would be realized enjoy more socialist payola today in form of government largess than ever! to simply put the unemployed to work doing something, like building a 100 foot tall wall across a continent, and reroute some water down to the South West to keep a mote full of Crocodiles happy, side benefits galore.

    Oh well I'm fresh outta irrelevancies. oh, here's one: (the real reason Benny Sanders ran was to run interference on considerations of age, his ideas have been around gathering dust for a while: no hope there). Nobody said much about benny's age, and these two codgers are up there too, 30 years older than the last president who had any semblance... (Hint: Camalote, both meanings.)

    Everything will work out fine in the end… One hopes.
  35. If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.

    That depends on one’s understanding of laws against homicide. There are two general trains of thought in this regard.

    1. Killing another is a transgression against the edict of God.

    2. Killing was made illegal because the traditional vendetta (revenge killing by kin/allies) was disruptive of order and civilization could not be established/maintained as long as vendetta was the practice (see “Sanctuary Cities” in the Bible).

    If #2 is in fact the case then abortion is not a crime in the sense that it (usually) does not initiate a desire for revenge except in some of those who hold #1.

    Pace e e cummings, when the State says kill, does killing become an act of Christian virtue?

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    • Replies: @nsa
    Keep it simple.....quacks aborting afro foetuses deserve a civic award and pay increase. Or would you rather pay $250/month welfare for eighteen years and then $50,000/year to lock up the eventual criminal?
    , @Che Guava

    “Sanctuary Cities” in the Bible
     
    I have read it from cover to cover, and call bullshit on that.

    If you want to refute my calling your statement bullshit, quotes and book, chapter, and verse references, please.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what "the State" or "the majority" says. Never has, never will.
  36. @another fred

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.
     
    That depends on one's understanding of laws against homicide. There are two general trains of thought in this regard.

    1. Killing another is a transgression against the edict of God.

    2. Killing was made illegal because the traditional vendetta (revenge killing by kin/allies) was disruptive of order and civilization could not be established/maintained as long as vendetta was the practice (see "Sanctuary Cities" in the Bible).

    If #2 is in fact the case then abortion is not a crime in the sense that it (usually) does not initiate a desire for revenge except in some of those who hold #1.

    Pace e e cummings, when the State says kill, does killing become an act of Christian virtue?

    Keep it simple…..quacks aborting afro foetuses deserve a civic award and pay increase. Or would you rather pay $250/month welfare for eighteen years and then $50,000/year to lock up the eventual criminal?

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    • Replies: @Inque Yutani
    When I'm Emperor, abortions will be free of charge in mall kiosks, no age limits, no questions asked.

    I hope I just offended many cuckservatives. Cling to your values, cucks, as the globalists stomp their boot in your face forever, and send your children to die in foreign lands, you stupid, stupid fools.
  37. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I’m just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.
     
    It may be "morally intractable" to some, but morals are not ethics, and laws are not, ideally, based upon ephemeral and religion-based definitions of morality, but upon principled ethics.

    One hopes.

    Hark, where was that said? what a wonderful campaign slogan that could be…

    One hopes.

    How’d that work out last time? All that Hopey and Changey kinda thang… yeah get the urban lilt right.

    So, why all the sincerity and heart felt worrying about this election?

    When the Hillary beast is in place, she will experience resistance and have a few that don’t agree with her bellicose plans, she will not have complete freedom to do everything easily as maybe she thinks, (I hope…!). I also hope that weasel Kain never gets at the handles! Pence probable wouldn’t be bad, he seems to be a plain old fashion Hoosier.

    With these two pre geriatric personalities, persistently dodging from discussing real problems, and avoiding the plain facts (ie: F’d up economy) What would they propose to do about that? No mention other than he says ”build a wall,a very nice wall”,

    That could be a real good make work project too! Like the pyramids or Easter island Tiki culture, make work, or like like in the ’30′s government projects that are still paying dividends!

    It seems to be anathema to even the enlightened legacy Republicans of today, even those who, if it would be realized enjoy more socialist payola today in form of government largess than ever! to simply put the unemployed to work doing something, like building a 100 foot tall wall across a continent, and reroute some water down to the South West to keep a mote full of Crocodiles happy, side benefits galore.

    Oh well I’m fresh outta irrelevancies. oh, here’s one: (the real reason Benny Sanders ran was to run interference on considerations of age, his ideas have been around gathering dust for a while: no hope there). Nobody said much about benny’s age, and these two codgers are up there too, 30 years older than the last president who had any semblance… (Hint: Camalote, both meanings.)

    Everything will work out fine in the end… One hopes.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    what a wonderful campaign slogan that could be…

    One hopes.
     

     
    Da, kudos for the rant more interesting than most, even though the "one hopes" statement referenced the creation of laws based on principled ethics.

    Lemme see ya make a campaign slogan out of "principled ethics".
  38. @nsa
    Keep it simple.....quacks aborting afro foetuses deserve a civic award and pay increase. Or would you rather pay $250/month welfare for eighteen years and then $50,000/year to lock up the eventual criminal?

    When I’m Emperor, abortions will be free of charge in mall kiosks, no age limits, no questions asked.

    I hope I just offended many cuckservatives. Cling to your values, cucks, as the globalists stomp their boot in your face forever, and send your children to die in foreign lands, you stupid, stupid fools.

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  39. @Wally
    I've said it before, I'll say it again, a Clinton 'win' means a Trump unbridled from being 'presidential' which will allow him to go hog wild.

    He owes favors to no one.

    Very interesting times.

    Give 'em hell, Donald!

    That will go precisely nowhere. How can it?

    You need to elect Trump. It is worth it just for the limits on govt. to lobbyist interchange. The only reason that hasn’t received a resounding cheer is that most of your politicians count on it to shift them to the just sub-super-rich class.

    Bern wasn’t immune to buying a new house in an expensive place by diverting campaign funds.

    Hillary will do her diabolical best to make more wars.

    One of those priests specialising in exorcism should examine her.

    Her hearing of Ghaddafi’s horrific fate, then doing a shit paraphrase of Julius of ancient times with We came, we saw, he died, followed by a demonic cackle, was pretty indicative.

    Her much earlier handling, as a lawyer, of a rape case, where she was defending the rapist, though she was convinced that he was guilty, then laughing at her own cleverness at having him acquitted, and laughing at the victim, whom she had deprived of justice.

    Clearly demonic behaviour.

    Not to mention the rest of a very long list between those, and after We came, we saw, he died, cackle, cackle.

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  40. @edNels
    Hark, where was that said? what a wonderful campaign slogan that could be…

    One hopes.
     
    How'd that work out last time? All that Hopey and Changey kinda thang... yeah get the urban lilt right.

    So, why all the sincerity and heart felt worrying about this election?

    When the Hillary beast is in place, she will experience resistance and have a few that don't agree with her bellicose plans, she will not have complete freedom to do everything easily as maybe she thinks, (I hope…!). I also hope that weasel Kain never gets at the handles! Pence probable wouldn't be bad, he seems to be a plain old fashion Hoosier.

    With these two pre geriatric personalities, persistently dodging from discussing real problems, and avoiding the plain facts (ie: F'd up economy) What would they propose to do about that? No mention other than he says ''build a wall,a very nice wall'',

    That could be a real good make work project too! Like the pyramids or Easter island Tiki culture, make work, or like like in the '30's government projects that are still paying dividends!

    It seems to be anathema to even the enlightened legacy Republicans of today, even those who, if it would be realized enjoy more socialist payola today in form of government largess than ever! to simply put the unemployed to work doing something, like building a 100 foot tall wall across a continent, and reroute some water down to the South West to keep a mote full of Crocodiles happy, side benefits galore.

    Oh well I'm fresh outta irrelevancies. oh, here's one: (the real reason Benny Sanders ran was to run interference on considerations of age, his ideas have been around gathering dust for a while: no hope there). Nobody said much about benny's age, and these two codgers are up there too, 30 years older than the last president who had any semblance... (Hint: Camalote, both meanings.)

    Everything will work out fine in the end… One hopes.

    what a wonderful campaign slogan that could be…

    One hopes.

    Da, kudos for the rant more interesting than most, even though the “one hopes” statement referenced the creation of laws based on principled ethics.

    Lemme see ya make a campaign slogan out of “principled ethics”.

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  41. @another fred

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.
     
    That depends on one's understanding of laws against homicide. There are two general trains of thought in this regard.

    1. Killing another is a transgression against the edict of God.

    2. Killing was made illegal because the traditional vendetta (revenge killing by kin/allies) was disruptive of order and civilization could not be established/maintained as long as vendetta was the practice (see "Sanctuary Cities" in the Bible).

    If #2 is in fact the case then abortion is not a crime in the sense that it (usually) does not initiate a desire for revenge except in some of those who hold #1.

    Pace e e cummings, when the State says kill, does killing become an act of Christian virtue?

    “Sanctuary Cities” in the Bible

    I have read it from cover to cover, and call bullshit on that.

    If you want to refute my calling your statement bullshit, quotes and book, chapter, and verse references, please.

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    Ok, the proper term seems to be "Cities of Refuge", but the concept is the same.

    From Wikipedia:


    The Cities of Refuge were six Levitical towns in the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah in which the perpetrators of manslaughter could claim the right of asylum; outside of these cities, blood vengeance against such perpetrators was allowed by law.[1] The Torah names the six cities as being cities of refuge: Golan, Ramoth, and Bosor, on the east of the Jordan River,[2] and Kedesh, Shechem, and Hebron on the western side.[3]
     
    Chapters and verses can be found at Wikipedia, I did not check them all, you can.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

    I've read my Bible a few times through also, apparently a little better than you.

  42. @Greg Bacon
    The fix is in, the Wicked Witch of the East will 'win' the WH next month, especially considering she has the important DIEBOLD/ESS voting bloc locked up.

    The democrats will win both houses of Congress, to ensure that no Republican is in charge of any committee that might get uppity and want an investigation of the Clinton Mob crimes.


    Think it's bad now? Wait until a couple of years under Hillary's lash.

    Friday after the election, win, lose or draw, Obama grants her a pardon for everything she’s done, anything she may have done, circa 1972-present. Doesn’t matter what committees do at that point except to humiliate her. They have had that power all along and didn’t do it. We’ve been failed by our Republican majorities. They were the last bulwark.

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  43. “He’s going to shake the pillars and bring the whole rotten temple crashing down around him. He’s going use all his influence to discredit this fake democratic system the elites have painstakingly put together to control the public, he’s going to grow his throng of angry supporters into a small army, and he’s going to spearhead a (mainly) right wing populist movement that is going impose gridlock on Washington, deepen the political divisions, acrimony and polarization across the country, and make Clinton’s tenure as president a living hell.”

    Replace “He” with “She” and right wing with left wing and either candidate as President will experience their tenure as a living Hell. The losing side is going to scorch the earth itself.

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  44. @mcohen
    trumpets and strumpets
    strutting on red carpets
    a raucous parade comes to town
    bells and whistles,the odd clown
    mainstreet awash in falling confetti
    welcome this years don and nefertiti
    talking heads shriek on with the show
    as contestants trade blow for blow
    yesterdays leader welcomes tomorrows pro
    more of the same for those in the know

    I hope whoever wrote that doesn’t quit their day job. Yikes!

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  45. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.
     
    Precisely. Viva la revolucion! Start prepping now. The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.

    “The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.”

    JJS, you’ve gone 21st Century soft on us by dropping the apropriate nouns … if you are going to go Roman, it’s kill the men, and rape and enslave the women and children.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    “The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.”

    JJS, you’ve gone 21st Century soft on us by dropping the apropriate nouns … if you are going to go Roman, it’s kill the men, and rape and enslave the women and children.
     

     
    Kill a few, twenty years community service for the rest, at minimum wage, not allowed to own property.
  46. @gwynedd1
    Who is looking for an old fashion hero in a Spaghetti Western?

    When a no good, womanizing smuggler runs into a gang of killers and child slavers, you pick the one with a moral compass , albeit an outlaw himself. You cheer when the hard drinking louse takes them out, being so quick on the draw, while muttering "no women, no kids".

    Old-fashionED.

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  47. @The Grate Deign
    FA,

    The reason the abortion debate is so fractious is because it defies nuance and compromise.

    There is no compromise possible between whether a fetus is, or is not, a human child.

    There is no compromise possible between terminating a pregnancy or continuing it.

    This is an area where both candidates -- contra recent trends in political speech -- are being logical and true to their basic positions.

    If a fetus is not a human being, then there is nothing wrong with aborting it.

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.

    Note that I have not, in this post, taken a position either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that the abortion issue is politically intractable precisely because it is morally intractable.

    At the federal level, there certainly is a compromise readily available on abortion:

    obey the Tenth Amendment and leave the people of each State to decide their own State’s laws on abortion (and on just about everything else, too, such as marriage laws, marijuana and alcohol and other drug laws, seat belt and helmet requirements, etc.).

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    At the federal level, there certainly is a compromise readily available on abortion:

    obey the Tenth Amendment and leave the people of each State to decide their own State’s laws on abortion (and on just about everything else, too, such as marriage laws, marijuana and alcohol and other drug laws, seat belt and helmet requirements, etc.)
     
    You'd have to dismantle 3/4 of the federal bureaucracy after that, what would all that Democrat contituency, err, Federal workforce do for jobs?
  48. @John Jeremiah Smith

    OK…… You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.
     
    First, a loud and boisterous "nannynannybooboo" to you. But, 'diva'? It doesn't sit well in context. I'm more of what Sir Walter Scott termed "an unprincipled voluptuary".

    Anyway, I no longer buy into the concept of "Gawleee, ya gotta cast a vote, or y'aint no Amurrican!" I find myself in a demographic population count fewer than, what, maybe 1 million people? Maybe? Educated, intelligent people who perceive this gigantic hideous mess that has been made of the "American experiment"? All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant. As for "lesser of two evils", I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.

    I've read that the Chinese dynastic cycle averaged 200 years per dynasty over about 4000 years, and I find remarkable similarities between the typical symptoms of the end of a dynastic cycle in China, and the symptoms we are seeing now, at the end of the (initial?) democracy in America.

    Interesting that one theory of what held China together through dynastic change was the imperial examination system (for qualifying local administrators), which kept a very basic administration/government system in place as an entire top-level aristocracy phased out, with varying degrees of violence and civil war.

    China had an overwhelming homogeneous racial majority that persisted through all those tough times and wars. We do not, by design.

    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China’s ability to do so then or now.

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    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China’s ability to do so then or now.
     
    Oh, lord, but seus convencidos tire me the hell out.
  49. @another fred

    If a fetus is a human being, then aborting it is a crime, or would be if law were consistent in this regard.
     
    That depends on one's understanding of laws against homicide. There are two general trains of thought in this regard.

    1. Killing another is a transgression against the edict of God.

    2. Killing was made illegal because the traditional vendetta (revenge killing by kin/allies) was disruptive of order and civilization could not be established/maintained as long as vendetta was the practice (see "Sanctuary Cities" in the Bible).

    If #2 is in fact the case then abortion is not a crime in the sense that it (usually) does not initiate a desire for revenge except in some of those who hold #1.

    Pace e e cummings, when the State says kill, does killing become an act of Christian virtue?

    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what “the State” or “the majority” says. Never has, never will.

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    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what “the State” or “the majority” says. Never has, never will.
     
    That was my point.
  50. @Authenticjazzman
    " I should state out-front that I don't plan to vote for either candidate"

    Which means that you are voting for HC, and you don't even realize it.

    You ignorant fools who somehow think that DT is not "Intellectual" or sophisticated enough, simply turn my stomach.

    The most bizzare aspect being that the democrat candidate is totally uneducated regarding world history, and the various chains of events which lead to armed conflict, her taunting and insulting of VP being a perfect example of the kind of arrogance and stupidity which leads to war.

    Authenticjazzman, pro jazz performer, conservative, and "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years. ( DT 2016 )

    The most bizzare aspect being that the democrat candidate is totally uneducated regarding world history

    She’s quite educated, but she, like all before her, think THEY are special. But in the end, human nature regarding tyranny never changes. Those under the tyrants eventually destroy the tyrants and all who enabled them, including their families. Lots of gated communities filled with the allies of tyrants, they’re all over the place, thinking THEY are special too.

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    "She's quite educated" :
    NO she is not educated anymore than BO, MO, JB, JK. the whole lot of them being dimwitted charlatans, and E Warren just makes me want to give up, damn what a fucking idiot, and she gets away with pure fraud. Bernie Saunders was so full of shit that it was painful, and the Germans worship him.
    They are all "Educated" in the sense of having gone through the sytem, but true education is the "Understanding" of the material and the ability to see the connections, which none of the democrat nitwits are endowed with.
    They are all fucking phonies and the turn my fucking stomach.
    Had a buddy years ago, a Boston democrat, what else, with a Phd in Philosophy, of which he had no fucking grasp, he was a stupid dipshit, as was his wife, and they both worked fo a university.
    And as far as "Gated communities" are concerned, yes and no. My departed mother, had her door kicked in, in her non-gated neighborhood years ago, as she was sitting at her kitchen table, and some brute thug terrified the life out of of her, and took her purse, so no reason to condemn all Gated communities".

    Authenticjazzman, pro jazz performer, and "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years.

  51. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Historic Native Born White American Working Class will not consent to be governed by the Old Farting Adult Diaper Wearing Lesbian that Noam Chomsky is enthusiastically voting for...

    What are the HNBWAWC going to do about it? So, not consent all you want, what’s it to them?

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  52. @jacques sheete

    The obvious goal is to shape public opinion in the way that best suits the interests of the people who own the media and who belong to the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent.

    Fortunately, the tide is turning on the mainstream media...
     
    When I read stupid statements like that from someone as savvy as Mr Whitney, it tells me that the game has long been up. Media brainwashing obviously works when even people like him parrot elite media terms in so unthinking a manner.

    Will someone please explain to me how the media is "mainstream" when it represents the interests of "the establishment of rich and powerful elites who run the country, the 1 percent?"

    Anyway, the game is nothing new, so why do so many people these days express shock, surprise and disappointment?


    “You know well that [the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to G. K. van Hogendorp, Paris, Oct. 13, 1785
     

    You’re going to find Fred Reed’s upcoming article quite in sync with the truth, Jaques..

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    I hope yer correct, but I am not gonna hold my breath; Fweddy's lost a lot in the past few years. His hold on reality seems to be slipping, sadly.
  53. @FLgeezer
    ...the jooie led parasites have managed to kill the host.

    Not to mention what they've killed in the middle-east and and in formerly white Christian Europe.

    They are evil incarnate.

    And there will be no one to demand that they share what THEY have acquired..

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  54. @Clyde
    OK...... You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.

    A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.

    Or, just far, far from the new diversity.

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  55. @John Jeremiah Smith

    OK…… You insist that I put you in the prima donna column. How about diva, does this sound better? A president Hillary will be an open borders hell but you are too pure to cast your vote against this.
     
    First, a loud and boisterous "nannynannybooboo" to you. But, 'diva'? It doesn't sit well in context. I'm more of what Sir Walter Scott termed "an unprincipled voluptuary".

    Anyway, I no longer buy into the concept of "Gawleee, ya gotta cast a vote, or y'aint no Amurrican!" I find myself in a demographic population count fewer than, what, maybe 1 million people? Maybe? Educated, intelligent people who perceive this gigantic hideous mess that has been made of the "American experiment"? All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant. As for "lesser of two evils", I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.

    I've read that the Chinese dynastic cycle averaged 200 years per dynasty over about 4000 years, and I find remarkable similarities between the typical symptoms of the end of a dynastic cycle in China, and the symptoms we are seeing now, at the end of the (initial?) democracy in America.

    Interesting that one theory of what held China together through dynastic change was the imperial examination system (for qualifying local administrators), which kept a very basic administration/government system in place as an entire top-level aristocracy phased out, with varying degrees of violence and civil war.

    All of the votes, combined, from this demographic are statistically irrelevant.

    A good argument could be made that casting ballots is just plain irrelevant in any case.

    As for “lesser of two evils”, I refuse to vote for Evil, lesser or not.

    Amen to that, and Carlin would have agreed…

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  56. @RadicalCenter
    China had an overwhelming homogeneous racial majority that persisted through all those tough times and wars. We do not, by design.

    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China's ability to do so then or now.

    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China’s ability to do so then or now.

    Oh, lord, but seus convencidos tire me the hell out.

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    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.
  57. @The Alarmist

    "The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest."
     
    JJS, you've gone 21st Century soft on us by dropping the apropriate nouns ... if you are going to go Roman, it's kill the men, and rape and enslave the women and children.

    “The only way to defeat them is to kill a few, slave labor for the rest.”

    JJS, you’ve gone 21st Century soft on us by dropping the apropriate nouns … if you are going to go Roman, it’s kill the men, and rape and enslave the women and children.

    Kill a few, twenty years community service for the rest, at minimum wage, not allowed to own property.

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  58. @RadicalCenter
    At the federal level, there certainly is a compromise readily available on abortion:

    obey the Tenth Amendment and leave the people of each State to decide their own State's laws on abortion (and on just about everything else, too, such as marriage laws, marijuana and alcohol and other drug laws, seat belt and helmet requirements, etc.).

    At the federal level, there certainly is a compromise readily available on abortion:

    obey the Tenth Amendment and leave the people of each State to decide their own State’s laws on abortion (and on just about everything else, too, such as marriage laws, marijuana and alcohol and other drug laws, seat belt and helmet requirements, etc.)

    You’d have to dismantle 3/4 of the federal bureaucracy after that, what would all that Democrat contituency, err, Federal workforce do for jobs?

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  59. @Che Guava

    “Sanctuary Cities” in the Bible
     
    I have read it from cover to cover, and call bullshit on that.

    If you want to refute my calling your statement bullshit, quotes and book, chapter, and verse references, please.

    Ok, the proper term seems to be “Cities of Refuge”, but the concept is the same.

    From Wikipedia:

    The Cities of Refuge were six Levitical towns in the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah in which the perpetrators of manslaughter could claim the right of asylum; outside of these cities, blood vengeance against such perpetrators was allowed by law.[1] The Torah names the six cities as being cities of refuge: Golan, Ramoth, and Bosor, on the east of the Jordan River,[2] and Kedesh, Shechem, and Hebron on the western side.[3]

    Chapters and verses can be found at Wikipedia, I did not check them all, you can.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

    I’ve read my Bible a few times through also, apparently a little better than you.

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    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.

    Since then, I only bother with the parts I find interesting, inspiring, poetic or wise, or combinations of those.

    Your use of 'sanctuary cities' was politically loaded propaganda.

    The Wikipedia article is full of shit, jumping to Athens and Theseus at one point, and *Biblical citations so thin as to be non-existent*, none makes the case of the article.

    Suppose the real sources are from the Talmud, interesting that they are listed, but no links.

    If you have any awareness, you will see that, but perhaps you only read enough to see that it has citations, which you were unable, by yourself, even with the aid of WP or a book, to cite.

    If those 'cities of refuge' had any reality at the time, under the stated conditions, it can only have been to shelter religio-political murderers in some contemporary dispute.

    No ill feelings, but you fail on this.
  60. @RadicalCenter
    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what "the State" or "the majority" says. Never has, never will.

    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what “the State” or “the majority” says. Never has, never will.

    That was my point.

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    I stand corrected ;)

    You and I, sir, are in violent agreement.
  61. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Unfortunately for us, there seems to be little valid comparison between our ability to hold our society and country together today and China’s ability to do so then or now.
     
    Oh, lord, but seus convencidos tire me the hell out.

    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.

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    I took 4 years of Latin, but don't know what he is saying.

    I think it is something like "self convinced".

    Come on JJ, enlighten us.
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.
     
    A very long time ago. That is not Latin.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.
     
    You can see this coming from a ways off ...... What substance?
  62. @another fred

    Whether something is an act of moral virtue, Christian or otherwise, has nothing to do with what “the State” or “the majority” says. Never has, never will.
     
    That was my point.

    I stand corrected ;)

    You and I, sir, are in violent agreement.

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  63. @RadicalCenter
    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.

    I took 4 years of Latin, but don’t know what he is saying.

    I think it is something like “self convinced”.

    Come on JJ, enlighten us.

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    Come on JJ, enlighten us.
     
    And deprive you of (yet) another opportunity to expand your horizons?

    Not I.
  64. I don’t disagree with the article, but deception only works as long as the deceived don’t catch on.

    The deception of a “Fair & Balanced” media may have been believed 10 years ago, but after this election cycle, and the relentless attacks on the Republican candidate, even the hard core SJW’s at the Washington Post are starting to have doubts.

    Also, far more people now have accurate information about the impossibilities of the 9/11 story (i.e. confidence in the government/FBI is declining) and as another example, I had personally never heard of the USS Liberty until fairly recently.

    What happens when the majority of the population realize that they’re being lied to is a good question.

    They may not care (“they’ve always lied to us”), they may vote for a non-establishment figure, or they may vote for the establishment if they get enough of a bribe or believe that the election is about SJW issues. My guess would be that their personal economic circumstances would be the deciding factor(rather than considerations of good government or morality). For instance, they have already shown that they couldn’t care less about the 100.000′s of Iraqi civilians killed as a result of the fake WMD story.

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  65. @Jim Christian
    You're going to find Fred Reed's upcoming article quite in sync with the truth, Jaques..

    I hope yer correct, but I am not gonna hold my breath; Fweddy’s lost a lot in the past few years. His hold on reality seems to be slipping, sadly.

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  66. @macilrae
    Despite everything that is being done to propel the Clintons back into power and despite Donald's undeniably obnoxious and boorish personality - Hillary is still struggling to maintain a lead: doesn't say much for her eh? And, mind you, a lot of people who are ashamed to admit it to the pollsters are actually going to vote for Trump. On top of all that the integrity of the polls is, and always has been, highly questionable.

    Trump has a better chance than the article suggests.

    And by all means keep emphasizing that “obnoxious and boorish personality.” It adds so much to our understanding of who he is and it’s really helpful in getting Trump elected.

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    Republican either go vote for him, OR, they're Democrats. That simple. The Republicans that play nice with Democrats? I won't even call them RINOs. They're Democrat plants to the Republican Party, period. Don't muddy the water with "He's obnoxious". No one was ever more obnoxious than Obama with his "Get in their faces" speeches, his scratching his nose with his middle finger exposed, showing his cock to the women on the plane, his racist talk on the golf course when he's out with his sports-pro-bros. Biden and his shrieking and histrionics this afternoon, oh that was a good look. Beyond obnoxious, it was stroke-inducing, all the more because Biden knows HE was the one that should have run against this witch and he turned chicken, even blamed not running on his son's death. Later, he recanted. Too late, a-hole. The whole Democrat crew is obnoxious and their base loves them for it. Republican-Democrats? Ryan, Bush, Rubio and all their pussy ilk? Traitors. If Trump gets in he should hang them all into a complete state of obscurity, isolate them, ruin them, scoff at them, mock them for their weakness and treachery. They're a disgrace, every one.

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn't cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.
  67. @Greg Bacon
    The fix is in, the Wicked Witch of the East will 'win' the WH next month, especially considering she has the important DIEBOLD/ESS voting bloc locked up.

    The democrats will win both houses of Congress, to ensure that no Republican is in charge of any committee that might get uppity and want an investigation of the Clinton Mob crimes.


    Think it's bad now? Wait until a couple of years under Hillary's lash.

    Do majority parties ever give congressional committee chairmanships to minority members?

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  68. @Rehmat
    Sorry Mike - The brainwashed Americans are aware of the fact that Donald Trump is opposed by the Organized Jewry and its anti-Muslim Hindutva allies - but being Christian sheep for a very long times - Americans have no choice but to obey country's Zionist controlled mainstream media.

    Donald Trump’s bigotry against 1.9 billion Muslim population, is very popular among the anti-Muslim and anti-immigration Zionist Christian and Jewish racist voters. By his statements, actions and family links, Trump has proven to be a Judas Goat.

    On Saturday, Trump was the keynote speaker at an election fundraising event held by the Republican Hindu Coalition at the New Jersey Convention and Exposition Center. Trump praised India as America’s best ally in Asia (against China), and promised the Hindu audience that if elected he could be the best man Hindus and India ever had in the White House....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/16/donald-trump-from-judas-to-hindutva-goat/

    I assume that those 1.9 billion Muslims all agree on the subjugation of women, genital mutilation of women, polygamy, death for apostasy and blasphemy, destruction of Christian churches, the flatness of the earth, death for homosexuality, honor killings, second-class status for infidels, slavery, and supremacy of shariah over, say, the U.S. Constitution.

    Those Muslims?

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  69. @jacques sheete
    I hope yer correct, but I am not gonna hold my breath; Fweddy's lost a lot in the past few years. His hold on reality seems to be slipping, sadly.

    He’s got an accurate read this week.

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  70. @jacques sheete
    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.

    Republican candidate Donald Trump’s campaign team has aggressively sought to win votes from Americans living overseas in Israel, but the latest polls taken of the Jewish population show Trump trailing far behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/losing-israel-almost/

     

    Oh, please, Jacques. There’s genuine alarm amongst the MSM, GOPe, and cuckservative plantations. Hillary’s status quo; Trump isn’t. The sellout class scum know this. Hence, enough of a difference not to play the tired ol’ Tweedledum-Tweedledee song.

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    I'll grant you that Hillary's much more deranged than Trump, and that all your points are correct, but we prols, peasants and the rest of the world would be better off if both just slithered off and left us alone.

    I do appreciate Trump for the angst he's caused, but this is the 21st century and the office he seeks is obsolete, especially for a nation of 320 million people.
  71. @Ace
    And by all means keep emphasizing that "obnoxious and boorish personality." It adds so much to our understanding of who he is and it's really helpful in getting Trump elected.

    Republican either go vote for him, OR, they’re Democrats. That simple. The Republicans that play nice with Democrats? I won’t even call them RINOs. They’re Democrat plants to the Republican Party, period. Don’t muddy the water with “He’s obnoxious”. No one was ever more obnoxious than Obama with his “Get in their faces” speeches, his scratching his nose with his middle finger exposed, showing his cock to the women on the plane, his racist talk on the golf course when he’s out with his sports-pro-bros. Biden and his shrieking and histrionics this afternoon, oh that was a good look. Beyond obnoxious, it was stroke-inducing, all the more because Biden knows HE was the one that should have run against this witch and he turned chicken, even blamed not running on his son’s death. Later, he recanted. Too late, a-hole. The whole Democrat crew is obnoxious and their base loves them for it. Republican-Democrats? Ryan, Bush, Rubio and all their pussy ilk? Traitors. If Trump gets in he should hang them all into a complete state of obscurity, isolate them, ruin them, scoff at them, mock them for their weakness and treachery. They’re a disgrace, every one.

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn’t cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.

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    Yes, indeed. Dems have the effrontery to talk about the radical nature of the threat of Trump but they embrace passionately the political doctrines of the totalitarians. Everything they do is designed to increase government power. However, I've yet to meet even a mild liberal who showed the least interest in the problem of limiting government power.

    Mass totalitarian slaughter, torture, and privation in the last century? Never heard of it.
    , @macilrae

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn’t cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.
     
    In these columns we tend to say what we think - and to the great credit of the patron almost all of us are allowed our say.

    If you don't think Donald is obnoxious you're allowed to say so - and even explain why.

    However, since the alternative is an order of magnitude worse, Donald gets my vote.

    Meanwhile ask yourself what kind of demented system could throw up two such candidates?
  72. @Johnny F. Ive
    Hillary Clinton's policy to provoke nuclear war with Russia in order to protect Al Qaeda has me seriously considering voting for Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an imperfect messenger but he does get the crowd going. We probably won't have another oligarch who puts forth issues Americans care about. They will be like the Clintons, whores for hire.

    I hope Donald doesn't go the Sarah Palin route. His army of poor whites are easily lied to. Palin and Huckabee still have them fooled. They maintain Israel's grievances. They watch Fox News and absorb the prejudices and propaganda fed to them through it. They don't hate on the rich white people who trickle up the economics but Hispanics for taking the jobs. This suites the rich white people fine. Trump is concerned about Hispanics (people who came here partially because they were screwed by rich white people with NAFTA/interventions) and not the rich white people who control the situation. It is one of his faults like his love for Netanyahu. The ruling class doesn't like them or him. The government continues to expect them to take up arms but so far they have failed to do so. The outcome would probably be a bloody crushed rebellion of people who will have few sympathetic supporters because of their religiosity and traditional conservatism. Its best to have an escape plan like Chalmers Johnson preached!

    Ah, Trump the “imperfect messenger” dealy. Has to appear in any comment on Trump.

    Hillary not at all. Just a former Goldwater Girl.

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    Well I guess we could say that about Hillary if we only talked about her wikileaks conversations/speeches where she acknowledges Saudi/Qatari terror, and those countries are the ones with Israel that she doesn't want to bomb to smithereens. Trump says outlandish stuff for attention and who knows what he is going to do. She on the other hand is 100% serious. This ad fits her more than Goldwater: https://youtu.be/dDTBnsqxZ3k

    What is the Goldwater Girl offering besides perpetual lying (public vs private position), globalism, a hyper Bush II foreign policy, and nuclear war?
  73. @RadicalCenter
    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.

    My Latin classes were a long time ago, hotshot. Sorry to hear that you are so easily fatigued. Go see a doctor.

    A very long time ago. That is not Latin.

    Feel free to address the substance of the comment if you feel up to it.

    You can see this coming from a ways off …… What substance?

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  74. @another fred
    I took 4 years of Latin, but don't know what he is saying.

    I think it is something like "self convinced".

    Come on JJ, enlighten us.

    Come on JJ, enlighten us.

    And deprive you of (yet) another opportunity to expand your horizons?

    Not I.

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  75. @Ace
    Oh, please, Jacques. There's genuine alarm amongst the MSM, GOPe, and cuckservative plantations. Hillary's status quo; Trump isn't. The sellout class scum know this. Hence, enough of a difference not to play the tired ol' Tweedledum-Tweedledee song.

    I’ll grant you that Hillary’s much more deranged than Trump, and that all your points are correct, but we prols, peasants and the rest of the world would be better off if both just slithered off and left us alone.

    I do appreciate Trump for the angst he’s caused, but this is the 21st century and the office he seeks is obsolete, especially for a nation of 320 million people.

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    Your "obsolete" point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that "something" would.

    I know you weren't intending to post an extensive comment but inquiring minds legitimately want to know more detail.
  76. PCR just took another jump in my opinion…

    “Note that none of the presstitutes have asked the killer bitch about her guilt under the Nuremburg laws for this war crime prepared on her watch. Note that the oligarchs who own the killer bitch and their press prostitutes intend to make this war criminal the next president of the United States.”

    Paul Craig Roberts

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/20/hillarys-war-crime-paul-craig-roberts/

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  77. The wiki emails are proving that there was a verifiable government coup – that the government administration collaborated to absolve Hillary of any against the law wrong doing with her email server. Thus misleading the American electorate.

    The coup in action – American people lied too – the 2016 election theft by the governing regime begins.

    Friday – Bill helps Loretta see how his and her grandchildren can be pals.

    Saturday – in a sudden rush the FBI does non-serious interview – no oath, unrecorded – people given immunity – Comey skips the interview.

    Sunday – Jew media calls Trump anti-Semite
    .
    Tuesday AM – Comey – Hillary NOT guilty of security breach.

    Tuesday PM – Obama and Hillary – campaign for the brainstemers – Jew media ecstatic – election fix in play.

    The standing US government overthrow of the 2016 election is on its way.

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    Hillary’s storm-trooper media are in full-throttle attacking Trump for not saying he would concede the election. Why should he, when we all know a government fix is in?

    If his internal polls show him losing - he should double down and charge the Obama regime with fixing the election.

    He must ask "on the weekend of July 1 did Bill Clinton – Lauretta Lynch – James Comey – and Barak Obama conspire to fix the election by absolving Hillary Clinton of her use of an unprotected email server?”

    WE all know that they did!

    Let them squirm!

    Trump put himself in this position - he has to see it to the end.

    America has its legacy of freedom to lose.
  78. @Jim Christian
    Republican either go vote for him, OR, they're Democrats. That simple. The Republicans that play nice with Democrats? I won't even call them RINOs. They're Democrat plants to the Republican Party, period. Don't muddy the water with "He's obnoxious". No one was ever more obnoxious than Obama with his "Get in their faces" speeches, his scratching his nose with his middle finger exposed, showing his cock to the women on the plane, his racist talk on the golf course when he's out with his sports-pro-bros. Biden and his shrieking and histrionics this afternoon, oh that was a good look. Beyond obnoxious, it was stroke-inducing, all the more because Biden knows HE was the one that should have run against this witch and he turned chicken, even blamed not running on his son's death. Later, he recanted. Too late, a-hole. The whole Democrat crew is obnoxious and their base loves them for it. Republican-Democrats? Ryan, Bush, Rubio and all their pussy ilk? Traitors. If Trump gets in he should hang them all into a complete state of obscurity, isolate them, ruin them, scoff at them, mock them for their weakness and treachery. They're a disgrace, every one.

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn't cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.

    Yes, indeed. Dems have the effrontery to talk about the radical nature of the threat of Trump but they embrace passionately the political doctrines of the totalitarians. Everything they do is designed to increase government power. However, I’ve yet to meet even a mild liberal who showed the least interest in the problem of limiting government power.

    Mass totalitarian slaughter, torture, and privation in the last century? Never heard of it.

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  79. @jacques sheete
    I'll grant you that Hillary's much more deranged than Trump, and that all your points are correct, but we prols, peasants and the rest of the world would be better off if both just slithered off and left us alone.

    I do appreciate Trump for the angst he's caused, but this is the 21st century and the office he seeks is obsolete, especially for a nation of 320 million people.

    Your “obsolete” point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that “something” would.

    I know you weren’t intending to post an extensive comment but inquiring minds legitimately want to know more detail.

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    Your “obsolete” point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that “something” would.
     
    Not something, Sir. Nothing.

    If you had a case of syphilis, would you elect to replace it with the gleet??? I think the answer would be in the negative. You'd just be glad to get rid of it!! ;)

    Seriously, though, it doesn't take a lot of reflection to see from whence I come since not only is the presidency obsolete, but our system of authority is as well, at least from the masses' point of view.

    I have to run right now, but hope to return. Meanwhile, the concept has been explained in an endless number of papers such as Spooner's, "The Constitution of No Authority," and Tolstoy's, "The Slavery of Our Times." The full texts are available free online.
  80. @Art
    The wiki emails are proving that there was a verifiable government coup – that the government administration collaborated to absolve Hillary of any against the law wrong doing with her email server. Thus misleading the American electorate.

    The coup in action – American people lied too – the 2016 election theft by the governing regime begins.


    Friday – Bill helps Loretta see how his and her grandchildren can be pals.

    Saturday – in a sudden rush the FBI does non-serious interview – no oath, unrecorded – people given immunity - Comey skips the interview.

    Sunday – Jew media calls Trump anti-Semite
    .
    Tuesday AM – Comey – Hillary NOT guilty of security breach.

    Tuesday PM – Obama and Hillary – campaign for the brainstemers – Jew media ecstatic – election fix in play.

    The standing US government overthrow of the 2016 election is on its way.
     

    Hillary’s storm-trooper media are in full-throttle attacking Trump for not saying he would concede the election. Why should he, when we all know a government fix is in?

    If his internal polls show him losing – he should double down and charge the Obama regime with fixing the election.

    He must ask “on the weekend of July 1 did Bill Clinton – Lauretta Lynch – James Comey – and Barak Obama conspire to fix the election by absolving Hillary Clinton of her use of an unprotected email server?”

    WE all know that they did!

    Let them squirm!

    Trump put himself in this position – he has to see it to the end.

    America has its legacy of freedom to lose.

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  81. The only thing I agree with Mike is that Trump is not trying to win the election. The American public is tired of the endless wars. Trump should have hammered her on her foreign policy failures in each of the three debates. He missed all three chances. He should have been playing Hillary’s tape about the fate of Ghadhafi, “We came, we saw, He died” on his commercials. How much more brutal can one get. He should also revive the mushroom cloud commercial that Johnson used against Goldwater, pointing to the voter what will happen if Hillary is allowed to have her finger on the nuclear button. He has also sold himself out to Israel since he is getting funding from Sheldon Adelson. Trump has not even tried to use the material Wikileaks has provided him. American voters are also fed up with our blind support of Israel.

    As far as what happens after the election is stolen, the day after the election the fire will go out of the American voters and they will meekly accept their fate and go on with their business.

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  82. @Ace
    Ah, Trump the "imperfect messenger" dealy. Has to appear in any comment on Trump.

    Hillary not at all. Just a former Goldwater Girl.

    Well I guess we could say that about Hillary if we only talked about her wikileaks conversations/speeches where she acknowledges Saudi/Qatari terror, and those countries are the ones with Israel that she doesn’t want to bomb to smithereens. Trump says outlandish stuff for attention and who knows what he is going to do. She on the other hand is 100% serious. This ad fits her more than Goldwater: https://youtu.be/dDTBnsqxZ3k

    What is the Goldwater Girl offering besides perpetual lying (public vs private position), globalism, a hyper Bush II foreign policy, and nuclear war?

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  83. @Jim Christian
    Republican either go vote for him, OR, they're Democrats. That simple. The Republicans that play nice with Democrats? I won't even call them RINOs. They're Democrat plants to the Republican Party, period. Don't muddy the water with "He's obnoxious". No one was ever more obnoxious than Obama with his "Get in their faces" speeches, his scratching his nose with his middle finger exposed, showing his cock to the women on the plane, his racist talk on the golf course when he's out with his sports-pro-bros. Biden and his shrieking and histrionics this afternoon, oh that was a good look. Beyond obnoxious, it was stroke-inducing, all the more because Biden knows HE was the one that should have run against this witch and he turned chicken, even blamed not running on his son's death. Later, he recanted. Too late, a-hole. The whole Democrat crew is obnoxious and their base loves them for it. Republican-Democrats? Ryan, Bush, Rubio and all their pussy ilk? Traitors. If Trump gets in he should hang them all into a complete state of obscurity, isolate them, ruin them, scoff at them, mock them for their weakness and treachery. They're a disgrace, every one.

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn't cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.

    The Trump-is-obnoxious meme doesn’t cut it. Just go vote for Hillary.

    In these columns we tend to say what we think – and to the great credit of the patron almost all of us are allowed our say.

    If you don’t think Donald is obnoxious you’re allowed to say so – and even explain why.

    However, since the alternative is an order of magnitude worse, Donald gets my vote.

    Meanwhile ask yourself what kind of demented system could throw up two such candidates?

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  84. @Rehmat
    Sorry Mike - The brainwashed Americans are aware of the fact that Donald Trump is opposed by the Organized Jewry and its anti-Muslim Hindutva allies - but being Christian sheep for a very long times - Americans have no choice but to obey country's Zionist controlled mainstream media.

    Donald Trump’s bigotry against 1.9 billion Muslim population, is very popular among the anti-Muslim and anti-immigration Zionist Christian and Jewish racist voters. By his statements, actions and family links, Trump has proven to be a Judas Goat.

    On Saturday, Trump was the keynote speaker at an election fundraising event held by the Republican Hindu Coalition at the New Jersey Convention and Exposition Center. Trump praised India as America’s best ally in Asia (against China), and promised the Hindu audience that if elected he could be the best man Hindus and India ever had in the White House....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/16/donald-trump-from-judas-to-hindutva-goat/

    Hindus in New Jersey seem to be on Team Trump.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/789121400250380288

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    I remember having to get my spices and aged rice in the city, which was like little India. Now one is not at the mercy of McCormick over priced and depleted aroma in many places. I also remember seeing this kind of femininity, and liking it. I knew then I was not going to wed a shrill, feminist American broad.
  85. @Jim Christian

    The most bizzare aspect being that the democrat candidate is totally uneducated regarding world history
     
    She's quite educated, but she, like all before her, think THEY are special. But in the end, human nature regarding tyranny never changes. Those under the tyrants eventually destroy the tyrants and all who enabled them, including their families. Lots of gated communities filled with the allies of tyrants, they're all over the place, thinking THEY are special too.

    “She’s quite educated” :
    NO she is not educated anymore than BO, MO, JB, JK. the whole lot of them being dimwitted charlatans, and E Warren just makes me want to give up, damn what a fucking idiot, and she gets away with pure fraud. Bernie Saunders was so full of shit that it was painful, and the Germans worship him.
    They are all “Educated” in the sense of having gone through the sytem, but true education is the “Understanding” of the material and the ability to see the connections, which none of the democrat nitwits are endowed with.
    They are all fucking phonies and the turn my fucking stomach.
    Had a buddy years ago, a Boston democrat, what else, with a Phd in Philosophy, of which he had no fucking grasp, he was a stupid dipshit, as was his wife, and they both worked fo a university.
    And as far as “Gated communities” are concerned, yes and no. My departed mother, had her door kicked in, in her non-gated neighborhood years ago, as she was sitting at her kitchen table, and some brute thug terrified the life out of of her, and took her purse, so no reason to condemn all Gated communities”.

    Authenticjazzman, pro jazz performer, and “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years.

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  86. I buy some of that take, but at the upper-crust, they’re dimwitted like a fox, Jazzer. Their disingenuous dimwittedness, if you will, serves their purpose, the upending of the three pillars, checks and balances, the purchase of our policy makers. In the end, now that they know WE are aware, they’ll do what they want in the judiciary with the “choosers of policy” of their own choosing. What they can’t get that way after having failed in the legislature, they’ll issue executive orders at will. They have imported and built their own majority. They own the courts, the electoral process, the media. Look at how Governors return to felons the right to vote and change the electoral picture with an order they could never obtain in the State House. Same for the President. And if you notice, if you don’t like it? Tough shit. Judges and Presidents and governors hammer legislatures for 60 years now, striking down the written and voted will of the people and with glee.

    With every judicial appointment and decision, with every executive order, a “Fuck you”. WE have the majority. It’s ours, not yours and have a suck on that. They not only demand our fealty to their destruction, they demand we be happy about it. And are especially happy if you are not.

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    "They own the courts, the electoral process".

    I myself have posted, can't remember on which thread, a few days ago that they, the leftists/Democrats, own the whole system, : courts, edumacation, entertainment, and now even the military, and I am really thinking that the situation is a lost cause, that they have won for the time being, and that the next step will be when it all collapses.
    The worst aspect of this scenaro being that thousands of dumbfuck marxist teachers and professors have the school/university system totally under control and due to "Tenure", they will be in there forever , producing millions of democrat sheep semester to semester.
    McCarthy saw it all coming, and they murdered him.
    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member since 1973, conservative and pro jazz performer.
  87. @Ace
    Your "obsolete" point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that "something" would.

    I know you weren't intending to post an extensive comment but inquiring minds legitimately want to know more detail.

    Your “obsolete” point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that “something” would.

    Not something, Sir. Nothing.

    If you had a case of syphilis, would you elect to replace it with the gleet??? I think the answer would be in the negative. You’d just be glad to get rid of it!! ;)

    Seriously, though, it doesn’t take a lot of reflection to see from whence I come since not only is the presidency obsolete, but our system of authority is as well, at least from the masses’ point of view.

    I have to run right now, but hope to return. Meanwhile, the concept has been explained in an endless number of papers such as Spooner’s, “The Constitution of No Authority,” and Tolstoy’s, “The Slavery of Our Times.” The full texts are available free online.

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    Hmm. Ok. I'll have to take a look at that Spooner reference. I's skeptical as someone will always seek to job as top dog so doing away with the CEO seems like an exercise in futility. The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .

    I think I read an article about that at Chronicles.
    , @Ace
    I scanned the Spooner article, Jacques, and see it as an extended argument that there is no government or constitution that anybody living agreed to, let alone back then.

    It's a valid argument as only a small portion of the colonial American population positively manifested consent. However, down on the plains and in the actual swamps where people ("folks") have to live there's a need for some kind of practical solution to the problem of organizing a mass of humans into some kind of viable polity, the claims of zealous anarchists to the contrary.

    I suppose there could be a way to get everyone to reaffirm the old deal in a positive manner. I think the constitutional scheme -- and that of any polity -- is that we sorta kinda accept that there needs to be some kind of government, even if we don't manifest our consent on an hourly basis. The provision for amendment of the Constitution allows for fine tuning along the way and thus for citizens to manifest something like consent by effecting amendment or refraining from doing it. Probably the Framers and Ratifiers made it far too difficult to amend the original scheme and the idea of ongoing adjustment didn't really get implemented.

    The interesting thing about these troubled times is that you see a raft of problems that have arisen precisely because that original, imperfect scheme has not been adhered to. (It did, after all, provide quite honestly and openly for serious limits on government power, even if all citizens did not individually vote it in.) As a consequence, we see the crisis of legitimacy that is now upon us. It has not been a failure of the Constitution so much as fallible or diseased humans choosing to take upon themselves the power to rule over others other than in a way that makes salus populi the primary object of government.

    Simply stated, the United States have become corrupt beyond all imagining as the nonsense of multiculturalism and open borders demonstrate all by their lonesome. Those entrusted with the heavy responsibility to rule justly, with or without governing law of breathtaking perfection, have simply communicated a hearty "____ you" to the people as is preeminently demonstrated by Merkel, Blair, and the entire Swedish state (though it's hard not to see Sweden as not manifesting the will of its asinine population with enormous precision and exactness).

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs. It will probably be vigorous and popular at the start and then be subject to the usual claims of parasites, the slothful, and the criminal.

    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.

  88. @Jim Christian
    I buy some of that take, but at the upper-crust, they're dimwitted like a fox, Jazzer. Their disingenuous dimwittedness, if you will, serves their purpose, the upending of the three pillars, checks and balances, the purchase of our policy makers. In the end, now that they know WE are aware, they'll do what they want in the judiciary with the "choosers of policy" of their own choosing. What they can't get that way after having failed in the legislature, they'll issue executive orders at will. They have imported and built their own majority. They own the courts, the electoral process, the media. Look at how Governors return to felons the right to vote and change the electoral picture with an order they could never obtain in the State House. Same for the President. And if you notice, if you don't like it? Tough shit. Judges and Presidents and governors hammer legislatures for 60 years now, striking down the written and voted will of the people and with glee.

    With every judicial appointment and decision, with every executive order, a "Fuck you". WE have the majority. It's ours, not yours and have a suck on that. They not only demand our fealty to their destruction, they demand we be happy about it. And are especially happy if you are not.

    “They own the courts, the electoral process”.

    I myself have posted, can’t remember on which thread, a few days ago that they, the leftists/Democrats, own the whole system, : courts, edumacation, entertainment, and now even the military, and I am really thinking that the situation is a lost cause, that they have won for the time being, and that the next step will be when it all collapses.
    The worst aspect of this scenaro being that thousands of dumbfuck marxist teachers and professors have the school/university system totally under control and due to “Tenure”, they will be in there forever , producing millions of democrat sheep semester to semester.
    McCarthy saw it all coming, and they murdered him.
    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member since 1973, conservative and pro jazz performer.

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  89. @jacques sheete
    Anyone who thinks that not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary misses the fact that a vote for either one is a vote for the ruling classes and against yer own self interests. Count on it.

    Republican candidate Donald Trump’s campaign team has aggressively sought to win votes from Americans living overseas in Israel, but the latest polls taken of the Jewish population show Trump trailing far behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/losing-israel-almost/

     

    Mondoweiss is run by liberal Jews who hate Trump so anything from them is as truthful as TD,TO Salon,Alternet,Common dreams,Intercept etc etc.
    IOW;Not much .
    The Jews don’t like Trump.In fact they always use Drumpf,as evidence of their anti goyim hatred.
    Which means of course,Trump is good.

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    C'mon dahoit, Mondoweiss is highly credible in my opinion, especially since they are typically dead against most Israeli policies. Some Jews are anti-goy, but I doubt that many if any at Mondoweiss fit that picture.

    In fact, the tone of the article I linked to seems to be that they are critical of Israelis who are so accepting of Hag Hillary and so disrespectful of Trump.

    Jews per se are not necessarily the problem. It's the violent Zionists who are.
  90. @another fred
    Ok, the proper term seems to be "Cities of Refuge", but the concept is the same.

    From Wikipedia:


    The Cities of Refuge were six Levitical towns in the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah in which the perpetrators of manslaughter could claim the right of asylum; outside of these cities, blood vengeance against such perpetrators was allowed by law.[1] The Torah names the six cities as being cities of refuge: Golan, Ramoth, and Bosor, on the east of the Jordan River,[2] and Kedesh, Shechem, and Hebron on the western side.[3]
     
    Chapters and verses can be found at Wikipedia, I did not check them all, you can.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

    I've read my Bible a few times through also, apparently a little better than you.

    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.

    Since then, I only bother with the parts I find interesting, inspiring, poetic or wise, or combinations of those.

    Your use of ‘sanctuary cities’ was politically loaded propaganda.

    The Wikipedia article is full of shit, jumping to Athens and Theseus at one point, and *Biblical citations so thin as to be non-existent*, none makes the case of the article.

    Suppose the real sources are from the Talmud, interesting that they are listed, but no links.

    If you have any awareness, you will see that, but perhaps you only read enough to see that it has citations, which you were unable, by yourself, even with the aid of WP or a book, to cite.

    If those ‘cities of refuge’ had any reality at the time, under the stated conditions, it can only have been to shelter religio-political murderers in some contemporary dispute.

    No ill feelings, but you fail on this.

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    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.
     
    Whatever for? It's a pure bullshit story-line from front to back, with the infrequent gem of non-religious wisdom. Would you read the Torah from cover to cover? It's the same shit all over again.
    , @another fred

    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own set of facts.
     
  91. @Dave Pinsen
    Hindus in New Jersey seem to be on Team Trump.
    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/789121400250380288

    I remember having to get my spices and aged rice in the city, which was like little India. Now one is not at the mercy of McCormick over priced and depleted aroma in many places. I also remember seeing this kind of femininity, and liking it. I knew then I was not going to wed a shrill, feminist American broad.

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  92. @Che Guava
    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.

    Since then, I only bother with the parts I find interesting, inspiring, poetic or wise, or combinations of those.

    Your use of 'sanctuary cities' was politically loaded propaganda.

    The Wikipedia article is full of shit, jumping to Athens and Theseus at one point, and *Biblical citations so thin as to be non-existent*, none makes the case of the article.

    Suppose the real sources are from the Talmud, interesting that they are listed, but no links.

    If you have any awareness, you will see that, but perhaps you only read enough to see that it has citations, which you were unable, by yourself, even with the aid of WP or a book, to cite.

    If those 'cities of refuge' had any reality at the time, under the stated conditions, it can only have been to shelter religio-political murderers in some contemporary dispute.

    No ill feelings, but you fail on this.

    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.

    Whatever for? It’s a pure bullshit story-line from front to back, with the infrequent gem of non-religious wisdom. Would you read the Torah from cover to cover? It’s the same shit all over again.

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    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.

    The perversity of the tale of Job.

    The eroticism of the Song of Songs (or Solomon).

    The bronze-age dramas of betrayal, patricide, and incest in Kings.

    The beauty of the prose in the KJV and its Catholic equivalent.

    As for the NT, being a Christian, I enjoy most, except the Apocalypse of St. John, a late addition to the canon, I like the prose of it in translation, think the cultural effect of that one has been horrid, since the reformation.

    Before that, of course, the laity were mainly only to hear what the priest read.

    I am glad to hear your straightforward opinion, JJS it raises you in my estimation, I also think much is bullshit. I don't think the resurrection of the flesh is at all plausible.

    Still, you might gain from reading some parts as literature from the best translations in the same way as you may enjoy Homer (many generations removed from the source) in translation, and many later classical-period sources, with a few exceptions, only preserved by Christian monks.
  93. @jacques sheete

    Your “obsolete” point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that “something” would.
     
    Not something, Sir. Nothing.

    If you had a case of syphilis, would you elect to replace it with the gleet??? I think the answer would be in the negative. You'd just be glad to get rid of it!! ;)

    Seriously, though, it doesn't take a lot of reflection to see from whence I come since not only is the presidency obsolete, but our system of authority is as well, at least from the masses' point of view.

    I have to run right now, but hope to return. Meanwhile, the concept has been explained in an endless number of papers such as Spooner's, "The Constitution of No Authority," and Tolstoy's, "The Slavery of Our Times." The full texts are available free online.

    Hmm. Ok. I’ll have to take a look at that Spooner reference. I’s skeptical as someone will always seek to job as top dog so doing away with the CEO seems like an exercise in futility. The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .

    I think I read an article about that at Chronicles.

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    The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .
     
    Others would agree with you: "The fact that the Head of the Republic of Venice was chosen from amongst the families who composed the framework of the state (numbering between three hundred and five hundred) was not a bad thing. Thus power was allotted to the best man amongst the representatives of those families who were traditionally linked to the state. The difference between this system and that of hereditary monarchy is obvious. In the former, it was impossible for an imbecile or an urchin of twelve to come to power."
    Hitler's Table Talk, Conversation Nº 177, 31st March 1942
  94. @Che Guava
    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.

    Since then, I only bother with the parts I find interesting, inspiring, poetic or wise, or combinations of those.

    Your use of 'sanctuary cities' was politically loaded propaganda.

    The Wikipedia article is full of shit, jumping to Athens and Theseus at one point, and *Biblical citations so thin as to be non-existent*, none makes the case of the article.

    Suppose the real sources are from the Talmud, interesting that they are listed, but no links.

    If you have any awareness, you will see that, but perhaps you only read enough to see that it has citations, which you were unable, by yourself, even with the aid of WP or a book, to cite.

    If those 'cities of refuge' had any reality at the time, under the stated conditions, it can only have been to shelter religio-political murderers in some contemporary dispute.

    No ill feelings, but you fail on this.

    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own set of facts.

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  95. @jacques sheete

    Your “obsolete” point is interesting but such an astonishing assertion requires specifics from you on what would replace the office of the president. All I can infer from what you say is that “something” would.
     
    Not something, Sir. Nothing.

    If you had a case of syphilis, would you elect to replace it with the gleet??? I think the answer would be in the negative. You'd just be glad to get rid of it!! ;)

    Seriously, though, it doesn't take a lot of reflection to see from whence I come since not only is the presidency obsolete, but our system of authority is as well, at least from the masses' point of view.

    I have to run right now, but hope to return. Meanwhile, the concept has been explained in an endless number of papers such as Spooner's, "The Constitution of No Authority," and Tolstoy's, "The Slavery of Our Times." The full texts are available free online.

    I scanned the Spooner article, Jacques, and see it as an extended argument that there is no government or constitution that anybody living agreed to, let alone back then.

    It’s a valid argument as only a small portion of the colonial American population positively manifested consent. However, down on the plains and in the actual swamps where people (“folks”) have to live there’s a need for some kind of practical solution to the problem of organizing a mass of humans into some kind of viable polity, the claims of zealous anarchists to the contrary.

    I suppose there could be a way to get everyone to reaffirm the old deal in a positive manner. I think the constitutional scheme — and that of any polity — is that we sorta kinda accept that there needs to be some kind of government, even if we don’t manifest our consent on an hourly basis. The provision for amendment of the Constitution allows for fine tuning along the way and thus for citizens to manifest something like consent by effecting amendment or refraining from doing it. Probably the Framers and Ratifiers made it far too difficult to amend the original scheme and the idea of ongoing adjustment didn’t really get implemented.

    The interesting thing about these troubled times is that you see a raft of problems that have arisen precisely because that original, imperfect scheme has not been adhered to. (It did, after all, provide quite honestly and openly for serious limits on government power, even if all citizens did not individually vote it in.) As a consequence, we see the crisis of legitimacy that is now upon us. It has not been a failure of the Constitution so much as fallible or diseased humans choosing to take upon themselves the power to rule over others other than in a way that makes salus populi the primary object of government.

    Simply stated, the United States have become corrupt beyond all imagining as the nonsense of multiculturalism and open borders demonstrate all by their lonesome. Those entrusted with the heavy responsibility to rule justly, with or without governing law of breathtaking perfection, have simply communicated a hearty “____ you” to the people as is preeminently demonstrated by Merkel, Blair, and the entire Swedish state (though it’s hard not to see Sweden as not manifesting the will of its asinine population with enormous precision and exactness).

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs. It will probably be vigorous and popular at the start and then be subject to the usual claims of parasites, the slothful, and the criminal.

    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.

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    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.
     
    Such humanitarian charity is rare, indeed.

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs.
     
    If we trace the evolution of mankind's political solutions, from the council of tribal elders at the dawn of history, to the august assemblage of a joint session of the US Congress, does anything leap out at you in terms of perceptible improvement of system? I'm kinda thinking that perhaps the US Congress is three or four orders of magnitude more corrupt than a council of tribal elders ... but that's all I've got. Am I overlooking something?
  96. @Ace
    I scanned the Spooner article, Jacques, and see it as an extended argument that there is no government or constitution that anybody living agreed to, let alone back then.

    It's a valid argument as only a small portion of the colonial American population positively manifested consent. However, down on the plains and in the actual swamps where people ("folks") have to live there's a need for some kind of practical solution to the problem of organizing a mass of humans into some kind of viable polity, the claims of zealous anarchists to the contrary.

    I suppose there could be a way to get everyone to reaffirm the old deal in a positive manner. I think the constitutional scheme -- and that of any polity -- is that we sorta kinda accept that there needs to be some kind of government, even if we don't manifest our consent on an hourly basis. The provision for amendment of the Constitution allows for fine tuning along the way and thus for citizens to manifest something like consent by effecting amendment or refraining from doing it. Probably the Framers and Ratifiers made it far too difficult to amend the original scheme and the idea of ongoing adjustment didn't really get implemented.

    The interesting thing about these troubled times is that you see a raft of problems that have arisen precisely because that original, imperfect scheme has not been adhered to. (It did, after all, provide quite honestly and openly for serious limits on government power, even if all citizens did not individually vote it in.) As a consequence, we see the crisis of legitimacy that is now upon us. It has not been a failure of the Constitution so much as fallible or diseased humans choosing to take upon themselves the power to rule over others other than in a way that makes salus populi the primary object of government.

    Simply stated, the United States have become corrupt beyond all imagining as the nonsense of multiculturalism and open borders demonstrate all by their lonesome. Those entrusted with the heavy responsibility to rule justly, with or without governing law of breathtaking perfection, have simply communicated a hearty "____ you" to the people as is preeminently demonstrated by Merkel, Blair, and the entire Swedish state (though it's hard not to see Sweden as not manifesting the will of its asinine population with enormous precision and exactness).

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs. It will probably be vigorous and popular at the start and then be subject to the usual claims of parasites, the slothful, and the criminal.

    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.

    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.

    Such humanitarian charity is rare, indeed.

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs.

    If we trace the evolution of mankind’s political solutions, from the council of tribal elders at the dawn of history, to the august assemblage of a joint session of the US Congress, does anything leap out at you in terms of perceptible improvement of system? I’m kinda thinking that perhaps the US Congress is three or four orders of magnitude more corrupt than a council of tribal elders … but that’s all I’ve got. Am I overlooking something?

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    I don't think so, Mr. Smith. When I'm one of 600,000 constituents it's hard to believe that my interests matter much to a congressman. And over there are the guys with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for recognition of their interests.

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic. Don't remember his exact words. Nor is the only to have thought this. Federalism (with weak central government), subsidiarity and devolution are clearly the way to go.
  97. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I provide these insights entirely free of charge.
     
    Such humanitarian charity is rare, indeed.

    Another dispensation will soon manifest itself as has always been the case in human affairs.
     
    If we trace the evolution of mankind's political solutions, from the council of tribal elders at the dawn of history, to the august assemblage of a joint session of the US Congress, does anything leap out at you in terms of perceptible improvement of system? I'm kinda thinking that perhaps the US Congress is three or four orders of magnitude more corrupt than a council of tribal elders ... but that's all I've got. Am I overlooking something?

    I don’t think so, Mr. Smith. When I’m one of 600,000 constituents it’s hard to believe that my interests matter much to a congressman. And over there are the guys with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for recognition of their interests.

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic. Don’t remember his exact words. Nor is the only to have thought this. Federalism (with weak central government), subsidiarity and devolution are clearly the way to go.

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    Ace, you seem to know yer stuff. It's obvious to me that you needn't ask me why the office of presidency is obsolete. You hit a huge nail squarely on the head with your comment.

    "Now, in a large extended country, it is impossible to have a representation, possessing the sentiments, and of integrity, to declare the minds of the people, without having it so numerous and unwieldly, as to be subject in great measure to the inconveniency of a democratic government.

    The territory of the United States is of vast extent; it now contains near three millions of souls, and is capable of containing much more than ten times that number. Is it practicable for a country, so large and so numerous as they will soon become, to elect a representation, that will speak their sentiments, without their becoming so numerous as to be incapable of transacting public business? It certainly is not."


    Brutus, (Robert Yates), To the Citizens of the State of New-York, October 18, 1787

     

    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic.
     
    I believe Mr. Hoppe did not demonstrate the truth of that opinion.

    It may be the case that an administrative "unit" -- cell, district, zone, etc. -- might have some size limit in terms of efficiency. but it seems more likely to be dependent on overall organizational communication and structural design.
  98. @Ace
    Hmm. Ok. I'll have to take a look at that Spooner reference. I's skeptical as someone will always seek to job as top dog so doing away with the CEO seems like an exercise in futility. The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .

    I think I read an article about that at Chronicles.

    The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .

    Others would agree with you: “The fact that the Head of the Republic of Venice was chosen from amongst the families who composed the framework of the state (numbering between three hundred and five hundred) was not a bad thing. Thus power was allotted to the best man amongst the representatives of those families who were traditionally linked to the state. The difference between this system and that of hereditary monarchy is obvious. In the former, it was impossible for an imbecile or an urchin of twelve to come to power.”
    Hitler’s Table Talk, Conversation Nº 177, 31st March 1942

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    :-)

    Thanks. Hitler was a keen student of history.

    Ours is an odd system. About one year before the big match, various ambitious or patriotic people sometimes numbering as much as 20 or so, decide to take a shot at being the supreme leader, the fuehrer as it were, and advance through a cloud of lies, half truths, surface analysis of current problems, and avalanches of character assassination to claim the prize conferred by dizzy females, parasites, libertines, nihilists, hate-filled minorities, foreigners laughingly assumed to be "citizens," and illiterates. Satyrs, mediocre intellects, and outright foreigners or mystery men, even traitors, have a realistic shot of winning the political lottery.

    We have certainly covered the "imbecile" bases with a vengeance.

    I got the impression once listening to a Russian friend describe certain czars that there was a certain informal system whereby imbeciles ended up being dispatched. There seemed to be an unspoken "enough is enough" at work. People with more understanding of Russian history might have another take on the issue of czarist succession.

  99. @Miro23

    The Venetian (?) approach seems the most stable: an oligarchy with much vetting of participants and no room for upstarts, still with entry available to ambitious and capable outsiders. Maybe that model supports your view . . . .
     
    Others would agree with you: "The fact that the Head of the Republic of Venice was chosen from amongst the families who composed the framework of the state (numbering between three hundred and five hundred) was not a bad thing. Thus power was allotted to the best man amongst the representatives of those families who were traditionally linked to the state. The difference between this system and that of hereditary monarchy is obvious. In the former, it was impossible for an imbecile or an urchin of twelve to come to power."
    Hitler's Table Talk, Conversation Nº 177, 31st March 1942

    :-)

    Thanks. Hitler was a keen student of history.

    Ours is an odd system. About one year before the big match, various ambitious or patriotic people sometimes numbering as much as 20 or so, decide to take a shot at being the supreme leader, the fuehrer as it were, and advance through a cloud of lies, half truths, surface analysis of current problems, and avalanches of character assassination to claim the prize conferred by dizzy females, parasites, libertines, nihilists, hate-filled minorities, foreigners laughingly assumed to be “citizens,” and illiterates. Satyrs, mediocre intellects, and outright foreigners or mystery men, even traitors, have a realistic shot of winning the political lottery.

    We have certainly covered the “imbecile” bases with a vengeance.

    I got the impression once listening to a Russian friend describe certain czars that there was a certain informal system whereby imbeciles ended up being dispatched. There seemed to be an unspoken “enough is enough” at work. People with more understanding of Russian history might have another take on the issue of czarist succession.

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  100. @Ace
    I don't think so, Mr. Smith. When I'm one of 600,000 constituents it's hard to believe that my interests matter much to a congressman. And over there are the guys with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for recognition of their interests.

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic. Don't remember his exact words. Nor is the only to have thought this. Federalism (with weak central government), subsidiarity and devolution are clearly the way to go.

    Ace, you seem to know yer stuff. It’s obvious to me that you needn’t ask me why the office of presidency is obsolete. You hit a huge nail squarely on the head with your comment.

    “Now, in a large extended country, it is impossible to have a representation, possessing the sentiments, and of integrity, to declare the minds of the people, without having it so numerous and unwieldly, as to be subject in great measure to the inconveniency of a democratic government.

    The territory of the United States is of vast extent; it now contains near three millions of souls, and is capable of containing much more than ten times that number. Is it practicable for a country, so large and so numerous as they will soon become, to elect a representation, that will speak their sentiments, without their becoming so numerous as to be incapable of transacting public business? It certainly is not.”

    Brutus, (Robert Yates), To the Citizens of the State of New-York, October 18, 1787

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    Thanks for the clarification though I think Brutus was referring to a too-numerous representation that is the characteristic of the legislator. The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in unrepresentativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.

    One of the healthier aspects of this time of great upheaval and discontent is that there is such a wealth of discussion about basic assumptions and doctrines. The defective (in the sense we've been discussing) constitutional scheme worked ok so long as men of integrity ran things. Once Lincoln was in office that monster thought nothing of playing God with the fate of the nation in pursuit of his private (and erroneous) view of what the essence of America was.

    Once of my personal epiphanies is the realization that there is a ruling class and that it is not only indifferent to the interests of native white Westerners but actively hostile to them. Continuing on autopilot was then no longer an option and white hot fury became an obligation of patriots.
  101. @dahoit
    Mondoweiss is run by liberal Jews who hate Trump so anything from them is as truthful as TD,TO Salon,Alternet,Common dreams,Intercept etc etc.
    IOW;Not much .
    The Jews don't like Trump.In fact they always use Drumpf,as evidence of their anti goyim hatred.
    Which means of course,Trump is good.

    C’mon dahoit, Mondoweiss is highly credible in my opinion, especially since they are typically dead against most Israeli policies. Some Jews are anti-goy, but I doubt that many if any at Mondoweiss fit that picture.

    In fact, the tone of the article I linked to seems to be that they are critical of Israelis who are so accepting of Hag Hillary and so disrespectful of Trump.

    Jews per se are not necessarily the problem. It’s the violent Zionists who are.

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    Look at MW;A wasteland lately,and definitely anti trump.
    Yes,there are some Jews who don't toe the party line,but zionists for Trump are having a rally in Times Square on a manhole cover.
    C'mon,everything is about Israel,from our economics,to our education,to every political whore in congress,to the Zionist News Network,the Israeli news service in America,aka the MSM.
    Everyone knows when Trump crossed their line;When he stated last year he would be neutral re Palestine Israel,and America first,both anathema to zionist ears,and since that statement the knives have been out.
    And the fact that the evil pos HRC knowingly colludes with fifth column traitors makes her one too.
    And Trump will win,watch.
    Why would the serial liars be so hysterical if she was a lock,as they claim repeatedly?
    And Trump voters aren't limp wristed pussy haters,so don't think we will take this fraud,if they succeed,lying down.In fact we aint going to take it if Trump wins either.
    The FCC can take away their(ZNN) license to spew.
    Every one of those alleged progressive sites like MW,TD,TO,CDs,Alternet,Salon,Mother Jones etc etc are all divide and conquer outlets.
    They,like HRC,hate America,and Americans.
  102. @jacques sheete
    Ace, you seem to know yer stuff. It's obvious to me that you needn't ask me why the office of presidency is obsolete. You hit a huge nail squarely on the head with your comment.

    "Now, in a large extended country, it is impossible to have a representation, possessing the sentiments, and of integrity, to declare the minds of the people, without having it so numerous and unwieldly, as to be subject in great measure to the inconveniency of a democratic government.

    The territory of the United States is of vast extent; it now contains near three millions of souls, and is capable of containing much more than ten times that number. Is it practicable for a country, so large and so numerous as they will soon become, to elect a representation, that will speak their sentiments, without their becoming so numerous as to be incapable of transacting public business? It certainly is not."


    Brutus, (Robert Yates), To the Citizens of the State of New-York, October 18, 1787

     

    Thanks for the clarification though I think Brutus was referring to a too-numerous representation that is the characteristic of the legislator. The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in unrepresentativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.

    One of the healthier aspects of this time of great upheaval and discontent is that there is such a wealth of discussion about basic assumptions and doctrines. The defective (in the sense we’ve been discussing) constitutional scheme worked ok so long as men of integrity ran things. Once Lincoln was in office that monster thought nothing of playing God with the fate of the nation in pursuit of his private (and erroneous) view of what the essence of America was.

    Once of my personal epiphanies is the realization that there is a ruling class and that it is not only indifferent to the interests of native white Westerners but actively hostile to them. Continuing on autopilot was then no longer an option and white hot fury became an obligation of patriots.

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    The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in un-representativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.
     
    There's one successful Western Democracy that's been democratic since the Middle Ages and no one can ever tell you who President is. But their democracy reaches down to the lowest level where it makes sense, and all citizens are actively engaged discussing/evaluating issues throughout the year and voting on them. This bottom up democratic system is the foundation of their law, and the majority of all spending is funded locally (Switzerland).

    In US terms this would mean returning taxation and spending to county/state level, obliging citizens to discuss and vote on the local/national legislation and greatly reducing Federal power. Not such a bad idea.
    , @jacques sheete
    You are correct on all points. Brutus was indeed speaking about representative government and by extension, the criticism also applies to the office of presidency as you also duly noted.

    Again, your observations appear extremely valid as well as well stated, at least from my perch!

  103. @Ace
    I don't think so, Mr. Smith. When I'm one of 600,000 constituents it's hard to believe that my interests matter much to a congressman. And over there are the guys with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for recognition of their interests.

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic. Don't remember his exact words. Nor is the only to have thought this. Federalism (with weak central government), subsidiarity and devolution are clearly the way to go.

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic.

    I believe Mr. Hoppe did not demonstrate the truth of that opinion.

    It may be the case that an administrative “unit” — cell, district, zone, etc. — might have some size limit in terms of efficiency. but it seems more likely to be dependent on overall organizational communication and structural design.

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    Actually, it's my somewhat unsophisticated observation that, in general, human beings seem to function best and are happiest in very small groups such as clans or tribes and while even though those units have their problems both externally and internally, the problems multiply with increasing size, at least from a freedom lover's perspective.

    Also, strangely enough, it seems that the accumulation of wealth actually can be accompanied by rapidly diminishing levels of freedom, and that seems to be independent of group size.

    But WTF do I know?
  104. ‘… You’re always warning me about American pressure on us but let me tell you something: WE THE JEWISH PEOPLE CONTROL AMERICA AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT!’ – Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres October 2001.

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  105. @Ace
    Thanks for the clarification though I think Brutus was referring to a too-numerous representation that is the characteristic of the legislator. The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in unrepresentativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.

    One of the healthier aspects of this time of great upheaval and discontent is that there is such a wealth of discussion about basic assumptions and doctrines. The defective (in the sense we've been discussing) constitutional scheme worked ok so long as men of integrity ran things. Once Lincoln was in office that monster thought nothing of playing God with the fate of the nation in pursuit of his private (and erroneous) view of what the essence of America was.

    Once of my personal epiphanies is the realization that there is a ruling class and that it is not only indifferent to the interests of native white Westerners but actively hostile to them. Continuing on autopilot was then no longer an option and white hot fury became an obligation of patriots.

    The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in un-representativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.

    There’s one successful Western Democracy that’s been democratic since the Middle Ages and no one can ever tell you who President is. But their democracy reaches down to the lowest level where it makes sense, and all citizens are actively engaged discussing/evaluating issues throughout the year and voting on them. This bottom up democratic system is the foundation of their law, and the majority of all spending is funded locally (Switzerland).

    In US terms this would mean returning taxation and spending to county/state level, obliging citizens to discuss and vote on the local/national legislation and greatly reducing Federal power. Not such a bad idea.

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  106. @Clyde

    I should state out-front, that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate, Trump or Clinton, so my claims of “bias” are not grounded in support for one candidate or the other.
     
    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don't be a silly prima donna, this sheeeet is passé . Over and out!

    Well… None of them is a saint, it’s about: “who is less dirty”. Media is payed, and elections are always rigged (my opinion!). It’s just who will pay more to be in the White House.

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  107. @Ace
    Thanks for the clarification though I think Brutus was referring to a too-numerous representation that is the characteristic of the legislator. The presidency is all the more incapable of being truly representative the basic problem is one of built-in unrepresentativeness whether on the part of the president or the legislature.

    One of the healthier aspects of this time of great upheaval and discontent is that there is such a wealth of discussion about basic assumptions and doctrines. The defective (in the sense we've been discussing) constitutional scheme worked ok so long as men of integrity ran things. Once Lincoln was in office that monster thought nothing of playing God with the fate of the nation in pursuit of his private (and erroneous) view of what the essence of America was.

    Once of my personal epiphanies is the realization that there is a ruling class and that it is not only indifferent to the interests of native white Westerners but actively hostile to them. Continuing on autopilot was then no longer an option and white hot fury became an obligation of patriots.

    You are correct on all points. Brutus was indeed speaking about representative government and by extension, the criticism also applies to the office of presidency as you also duly noted.

    Again, your observations appear extremely valid as well as well stated, at least from my perch!

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  108. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote that a polity that exceeds 50,000 citizens becomes unmanageable or despotic.
     
    I believe Mr. Hoppe did not demonstrate the truth of that opinion.

    It may be the case that an administrative "unit" -- cell, district, zone, etc. -- might have some size limit in terms of efficiency. but it seems more likely to be dependent on overall organizational communication and structural design.

    Actually, it’s my somewhat unsophisticated observation that, in general, human beings seem to function best and are happiest in very small groups such as clans or tribes and while even though those units have their problems both externally and internally, the problems multiply with increasing size, at least from a freedom lover’s perspective.

    Also, strangely enough, it seems that the accumulation of wealth actually can be accompanied by rapidly diminishing levels of freedom, and that seems to be independent of group size.

    But WTF do I know?

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    Actually, it’s my somewhat unsophisticated observation that, in general, human beings seem to function best and are happiest in very small groups such as clans or tribes
     
    No disagreement on that score. I was referring to how humans can be governed effectively, not what groups they socialize best in. If we take as a starting point that the optimum "community" group size is, as Hoppe suggests, 50,000, then how do we govern, or "administer" a much larger empire?

    With that in mind, we make local units approximately 50,000 in population, and construct an efficient government apparatus for that many people. Make that analogous to a cell in a honeycomb, if you will -- where communication throughout the hive, and a set of interconnecting structures for "administration" and government round out the big picture.

    I ain't no theorist; I did but make a few general observations.
  109. The writer does the inverse of the mike moores, where they say ‘I hate Trump, but…’ No reader understands why Mr. Whitney ended an informative analysis with a ‘medications wearing off’ silly anti-Trump rant. The writer did a very good summary of MCM, Mind Control Media bias. He also brought up the Fed Reserve, through which London banksters buy MCM, Congress, and make populations debt slaves. I don’t know why he felt the need to digress, and engage in orwellian historical revision. Gingrich was the only ‘Prime Minister’ is US history, when as Speaker he dictated US government policies while the clintons did something else. He is now Trump’s bridge to the ‘establishment’ that will still remain after the election. Guiliani was ‘Amercia’s mayor and attorney general’, who is prosecuting Hillary. There is also General Flynn, who warned obama and clinton about ISIS. And sheriff clark and ben carson. and ivanka advocating maternity leave. and peter navarro professor of [classical] economics. versus, you can’t name one person on ‘team hillary’, because there are none. You likewise do not use Trump’s past to predict his future. He has been a business man who builds successful economic models his entire life. not a martyr. Who should we believe, him or you? Who the hell do you think you are? Trump repeats at every rally, that if he doesn’t win, this has been a waste of time and money. Finally, stop saying the false ‘dem/repub, left/right dichotomy. Old Left, was marxist class conflict of blue collar workers. That was replaced in 1972 mcgovern, with New Left, of ‘neo-marxist, jewish feminists, anti-cap greens, racist blacks and latinos. Blue collar workers suddenly become ‘right wing’????? Globalist billionaires become ‘left wing’? ‘brave new world’ becomes ‘progressive’. ?????????

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  110. @jacques sheete
    Actually, it's my somewhat unsophisticated observation that, in general, human beings seem to function best and are happiest in very small groups such as clans or tribes and while even though those units have their problems both externally and internally, the problems multiply with increasing size, at least from a freedom lover's perspective.

    Also, strangely enough, it seems that the accumulation of wealth actually can be accompanied by rapidly diminishing levels of freedom, and that seems to be independent of group size.

    But WTF do I know?

    Actually, it’s my somewhat unsophisticated observation that, in general, human beings seem to function best and are happiest in very small groups such as clans or tribes

    No disagreement on that score. I was referring to how humans can be governed effectively, not what groups they socialize best in. If we take as a starting point that the optimum “community” group size is, as Hoppe suggests, 50,000, then how do we govern, or “administer” a much larger empire?

    With that in mind, we make local units approximately 50,000 in population, and construct an efficient government apparatus for that many people. Make that analogous to a cell in a honeycomb, if you will — where communication throughout the hive, and a set of interconnecting structures for “administration” and government round out the big picture.

    I ain’t no theorist; I did but make a few general observations.

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  111. The past couple elections were messed up too, especially where the stupremes stepped in when they aren’t supposed to do.

    It’s going to impact it dramatically, in fact, it could stop her dead in her tracks. It could even precipitate a Constitutional crisis. And that’s where all this is headed, isn’t it?

    Look here, the leaders or powers that move things, are likely getting antsy, about how in the heck can they achieve the maximum benefit from their wondrous rise from rags to riches, they want to be almost gods in this life. Why else do they need multiple millions and billions of dollars. Probably they are nervous that with all they have, they might not be close to gods on earth in this lifetime, and have to continue to share space with mere mortals and the sea of undistinguished humans who they would like to disappear if possible.
    Democracy clever as it is is yet sort an irritant like you have to ask Please this or that all the time.

    The biggest crises for the Constitution is that it needs ignorant jack asses in antiquey looking’ black robes to INTERPRET what it says to rubes,

    I mean the language isn’t always too easy to read, but so, well it should be good enough. Do what it says.

    ___________________________

    In any event, Hillary’s going to win the election, that’s for sure. But don’t count Trump out just yet. He’s just getting warmed up.

    What’s this supposed to mean?: Sure and not sure. We should be impeaching the candidates before they do any real damage.

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  112. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I have read it from cover to cover, in detail thrice, annotated re. translations, read the annotations, too.
     
    Whatever for? It's a pure bullshit story-line from front to back, with the infrequent gem of non-religious wisdom. Would you read the Torah from cover to cover? It's the same shit all over again.

    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.

    The perversity of the tale of Job.

    The eroticism of the Song of Songs (or Solomon).

    The bronze-age dramas of betrayal, patricide, and incest in Kings.

    The beauty of the prose in the KJV and its Catholic equivalent.

    As for the NT, being a Christian, I enjoy most, except the Apocalypse of St. John, a late addition to the canon, I like the prose of it in translation, think the cultural effect of that one has been horrid, since the reformation.

    Before that, of course, the laity were mainly only to hear what the priest read.

    I am glad to hear your straightforward opinion, JJS it raises you in my estimation, I also think much is bullshit. I don’t think the resurrection of the flesh is at all plausible.

    Still, you might gain from reading some parts as literature from the best translations in the same way as you may enjoy Homer (many generations removed from the source) in translation, and many later classical-period sources, with a few exceptions, only preserved by Christian monks.

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    • Agree: John Jeremiah Smith
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    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.
     
    I'll acknowledge some value to those above. The rest ... meh. Much of NT seems to draw heavily from Zoroastrian myth. Also, as you probably know, resurrection is a common theme of religions. Christianity is heavily sin-focused, which devolves quickly to utter crap, ethically spikking. I think my point is, basically, Christianity appears to be an amalgam of several, if not many, other religions and precepts. Philosophically, it just does not climb the Big Mountain.

    Otherwise, feel free. As long as Xtians don't behave violently, they're not a problem.
  113. @Che Guava
    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.

    The perversity of the tale of Job.

    The eroticism of the Song of Songs (or Solomon).

    The bronze-age dramas of betrayal, patricide, and incest in Kings.

    The beauty of the prose in the KJV and its Catholic equivalent.

    As for the NT, being a Christian, I enjoy most, except the Apocalypse of St. John, a late addition to the canon, I like the prose of it in translation, think the cultural effect of that one has been horrid, since the reformation.

    Before that, of course, the laity were mainly only to hear what the priest read.

    I am glad to hear your straightforward opinion, JJS it raises you in my estimation, I also think much is bullshit. I don't think the resurrection of the flesh is at all plausible.

    Still, you might gain from reading some parts as literature from the best translations in the same way as you may enjoy Homer (many generations removed from the source) in translation, and many later classical-period sources, with a few exceptions, only preserved by Christian monks.

    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.

    I’ll acknowledge some value to those above. The rest … meh. Much of NT seems to draw heavily from Zoroastrian myth. Also, as you probably know, resurrection is a common theme of religions. Christianity is heavily sin-focused, which devolves quickly to utter crap, ethically spikking. I think my point is, basically, Christianity appears to be an amalgam of several, if not many, other religions and precepts. Philosophically, it just does not climb the Big Mountain.

    Otherwise, feel free. As long as Xtians don’t behave violently, they’re not a problem.

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    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.

    Cheers.
  114. @jacques sheete
    C'mon dahoit, Mondoweiss is highly credible in my opinion, especially since they are typically dead against most Israeli policies. Some Jews are anti-goy, but I doubt that many if any at Mondoweiss fit that picture.

    In fact, the tone of the article I linked to seems to be that they are critical of Israelis who are so accepting of Hag Hillary and so disrespectful of Trump.

    Jews per se are not necessarily the problem. It's the violent Zionists who are.

    Look at MW;A wasteland lately,and definitely anti trump.
    Yes,there are some Jews who don’t toe the party line,but zionists for Trump are having a rally in Times Square on a manhole cover.
    C’mon,everything is about Israel,from our economics,to our education,to every political whore in congress,to the Zionist News Network,the Israeli news service in America,aka the MSM.
    Everyone knows when Trump crossed their line;When he stated last year he would be neutral re Palestine Israel,and America first,both anathema to zionist ears,and since that statement the knives have been out.
    And the fact that the evil pos HRC knowingly colludes with fifth column traitors makes her one too.
    And Trump will win,watch.
    Why would the serial liars be so hysterical if she was a lock,as they claim repeatedly?
    And Trump voters aren’t limp wristed pussy haters,so don’t think we will take this fraud,if they succeed,lying down.In fact we aint going to take it if Trump wins either.
    The FCC can take away their(ZNN) license to spew.
    Every one of those alleged progressive sites like MW,TD,TO,CDs,Alternet,Salon,Mother Jones etc etc are all divide and conquer outlets.
    They,like HRC,hate America,and Americans.

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  115. Fuck everyone who doesn’t vote. This election is NOT about personalilties but about the future of our Republic. Hillary is an avowed MARXIST, Trump is not a Marxist.

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  116. You think trump is braveheart. Ok.
    When he failed to throw down the gauntlet to smiling innocent ms clinton and promise a wall and to put her behind bars, no joke ‘you’d be in jail’ drop the clown mask and paraphrase give me liberty or give me death right in her face he lost total credibility. Trump showed he is just a court jester controlled opposition who tricked us into believing that he would cross the rubicon and lead a march on washington if his victory were disqualified. If you are a hero you will take the bullet for a bulletproof idea about the tree of liberty.

    The only excuse would be that the people are not ready to risk a real regime change and trump is buying time. If we are now on the brink of wwiii are we out of time? If Trump were for real he would have told us we were fubar and told the president to resign and return power to the people or else. Patrick Henry asked when will we challenge the Crown if not now? When we are bound hand and foot? In this case when are hit by an emp and reduced to cannibalism?

    Trump is fond of truthful hyperbole.
    That’s the point. Short and sweet.

    Do you get it? Have we been had or is this NOT checkmate game not over?

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  117. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Parts are of interest, for example, connection of the creation tales (there are two) with those from other places, likewise the flood tale.

    Psalms, several have been revealed as being directly from ancient Egypt, since the discovery of the Rosetta stone and archaeology related to Amenhotep and Tutankhamen.

    The Greek-infuenced Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus, bits of Proverbs on the same lines.
     
    I'll acknowledge some value to those above. The rest ... meh. Much of NT seems to draw heavily from Zoroastrian myth. Also, as you probably know, resurrection is a common theme of religions. Christianity is heavily sin-focused, which devolves quickly to utter crap, ethically spikking. I think my point is, basically, Christianity appears to be an amalgam of several, if not many, other religions and precepts. Philosophically, it just does not climb the Big Mountain.

    Otherwise, feel free. As long as Xtians don't behave violently, they're not a problem.

    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.

    Cheers.

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    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.
     
    What kind of madman are you? Agree? And waste one of the precious few "Agrees" that Unz allots me? Not a chance. You are wrong, wrong, wrong ... wrong from birth.

    I hope that clarifies things. Also, "Revelation" is the raving of a drug-addled fanatic. The rest, okay, you can have them ... not worth arguing about.
  118. @Che Guava
    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.

    Cheers.

    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.

    What kind of madman are you? Agree? And waste one of the precious few “Agrees” that Unz allots me? Not a chance. You are wrong, wrong, wrong … wrong from birth.

    I hope that clarifies things. Also, “Revelation” is the raving of a drug-addled fanatic. The rest, okay, you can have them … not worth arguing about.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    'Hit the agree button' was not an imperative to you but a casual ref. to my having done so on your post, as should have been obvious, with the 'Agree' label from me under your post.

    Do try to keep up.
  119. @Clyde

    I should state out-front, that I don’t plan to vote for either candidate, Trump or Clinton, so my claims of “bias” are not grounded in support for one candidate or the other.
     
    I must laugh here because you are the flip side of the media pile on, on Donald Trump. The flip side being that you are too pure and enlightened to vote Trump, not even as a protest vote. Don't be a silly prima donna, this sheeeet is passé . Over and out!

    Trump seems genuinely confused and incoherent on the middle east, which is the most pressing issue of this campaign. He’s got good instincts on Syria but is a complete maniac on Iran, which is the underpinning of the messes the US has created in Iraq and Syria. Pence was an awful choice for his running mate. IMHO he looks like he would be a weak and easily manipulated President, or worse, could self-destruct and leave Pence in power. Then we’d be stuck with a garden variety religious nut as President, who is as cozy as anyone with the establishment that Trump is running in opposition to.

    Neither Trump or Clinton are supportable. I’m voting for Johnson.

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    " I'm voting for Johnson"

    Seeing as Johnson has no fucking chance of winning, your decision means that you are voting for HC without knowing it, as the realization thereof requiring a certain level of deductive reasoning.

    Unaware folks such as yourself, being the catalyst for the destruction of the nation.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years, conservative and pro jazz performer.

  120. @Thirdeye
    Trump seems genuinely confused and incoherent on the middle east, which is the most pressing issue of this campaign. He's got good instincts on Syria but is a complete maniac on Iran, which is the underpinning of the messes the US has created in Iraq and Syria. Pence was an awful choice for his running mate. IMHO he looks like he would be a weak and easily manipulated President, or worse, could self-destruct and leave Pence in power. Then we'd be stuck with a garden variety religious nut as President, who is as cozy as anyone with the establishment that Trump is running in opposition to.

    Neither Trump or Clinton are supportable. I'm voting for Johnson.

    ” I’m voting for Johnson”

    Seeing as Johnson has no fucking chance of winning, your decision means that you are voting for HC without knowing it, as the realization thereof requiring a certain level of deductive reasoning.

    Unaware folks such as yourself, being the catalyst for the destruction of the nation.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years, conservative and pro jazz performer.

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  121. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think that you may think about a little more from my list, hit the agree button because there is no point arguing about such, and you concede the value of a few.
     
    What kind of madman are you? Agree? And waste one of the precious few "Agrees" that Unz allots me? Not a chance. You are wrong, wrong, wrong ... wrong from birth.

    I hope that clarifies things. Also, "Revelation" is the raving of a drug-addled fanatic. The rest, okay, you can have them ... not worth arguing about.

    ‘Hit the agree button’ was not an imperative to you but a casual ref. to my having done so on your post, as should have been obvious, with the ‘Agree’ label from me under your post.

    Do try to keep up.

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    Do try to keep up.
     
    LOL.

    You: "Ya gotta help me, Doc! It hurts when I do this!"
    Groucho: "So don't do that!"

    You: "Call me a taxi!"
    Groucho: "Okay, you're a taxi!"
  122. @Che Guava
    'Hit the agree button' was not an imperative to you but a casual ref. to my having done so on your post, as should have been obvious, with the 'Agree' label from me under your post.

    Do try to keep up.

    Do try to keep up.

    LOL.

    You: “Ya gotta help me, Doc! It hurts when I do this!”
    Groucho: “So don’t do that!”

    You: “Call me a taxi!”
    Groucho: “Okay, you’re a taxi!”

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  123. @Greg Bacon
    The fix is in, the Wicked Witch of the East will 'win' the WH next month, especially considering she has the important DIEBOLD/ESS voting bloc locked up.

    The democrats will win both houses of Congress, to ensure that no Republican is in charge of any committee that might get uppity and want an investigation of the Clinton Mob crimes.


    Think it's bad now? Wait until a couple of years under Hillary's lash.

    Who’ll pardon Obomba?If I’m going down,she’s going with me,sounds right to me.
    Please,Donald,put the fear of God into these traitor scum.

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  124. @Johnny F. Ive
    Hillary Clinton's policy to provoke nuclear war with Russia in order to protect Al Qaeda has me seriously considering voting for Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an imperfect messenger but he does get the crowd going. We probably won't have another oligarch who puts forth issues Americans care about. They will be like the Clintons, whores for hire.

    I hope Donald doesn't go the Sarah Palin route. His army of poor whites are easily lied to. Palin and Huckabee still have them fooled. They maintain Israel's grievances. They watch Fox News and absorb the prejudices and propaganda fed to them through it. They don't hate on the rich white people who trickle up the economics but Hispanics for taking the jobs. This suites the rich white people fine. Trump is concerned about Hispanics (people who came here partially because they were screwed by rich white people with NAFTA/interventions) and not the rich white people who control the situation. It is one of his faults like his love for Netanyahu. The ruling class doesn't like them or him. The government continues to expect them to take up arms but so far they have failed to do so. The outcome would probably be a bloody crushed rebellion of people who will have few sympathetic supporters because of their religiosity and traditional conservatism. Its best to have an escape plan like Chalmers Johnson preached!

    I truly doubt Trump likes Yahoo,even his own people don’t.But as they are conflicted nuts,they vote for him.(enough to rule at least)
    But there is no doubt Congress loves Yahoo.Yoyos for Yahoo.
    Disgusting.Truly.
    Vote them all out,no matter the party.It’s the only way to make them responsive.

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