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The Impending Clash Between the U.S. and Russia
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President Donald Trump’s missile attack on the Shayrat Airfield in Western Syria was a poorly planned display of imperial muscle-flexing that had the exact opposite effect of what was intended. While the attack undoubtedly lifted the morale of the jihadists who have been rampaging across the country for the last six years, it had no military or strategic value at all. The damage to the airfield was very slight and there is no reason to believe it will impact the Syrian Army’s progress on the ground.

The attack did however kill four Syrian servicemen which means the US troops in Syria can no longer be considered part of an international coalition fighting terrorism. The US is now a hostile force that represents an existential threat to the sovereign government.

Is that the change that Trump wanted?

As of Friday, Russia has frozen all military cooperation with the United States. According to the New York Times:

“In addition to suspending the pact to coordinate air operations over Syria, an accord that was meant to prevent accidental encounters between the two militaries, Russia also said it would bolster Syria’s air defense systems and reportedly planned to send a frigate into the Mediterranean Sea to visit the logistics base at the Syrian port of Tartus….

Dmitri S. Peskov, a spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, said that the cruise missile strikes on Friday represented a “significant blow” to American-Russian ties, and that Mr. Putin considered the attack a breach of international law that had been made under a false pretext. “The Syrian Army has no chemical weapons at its disposal,” Mr. Peskov said.” (New York Times)

The missile attack has ended all talk of “normalizing” relations with Russia. For whatever the reason, Trump has decided that identifying himself and the United States as an enemy of Moscow and Damascus is the way he wants to conduct business. That, of course, is the President’s prerogative, but it would be foolish not to think there will be consequences.

Russia’s Minister of Defense Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov issued a statement saying:

“All the accusations against Damascus that it violated the Chemical Weapons Convention of 2013 given by the USA as reasons for the strike are groundless. The Russian Defence Ministry has repeatedly explained that the Syrian troops had not used chemical weapons….

It is to be stressed that in the years 2013-2016 the Syrian government undertook all measures to eliminate chemical weapons, its delivery systems, production facilities. All chemical weapons stocks have been eliminated. The components for their production have been transported from the Syrian Arab Republic to the enterprises of the United States, Finland, Great Britain, and Germany where they have been destroyed.”

This is a hotly contested issue and one that requires greater clarification. The rational approach would be for the UN to send a team of chemical weapons and forensic experts to the site of the bombing to try to figure out what really happened. Trump decided he couldn’t be bothered with such trivialities as a formal investigation. He was more interested in projecting the image of a strong and decisive leader which is why he decided to shoot first and ask questions later. His action was applauded by leaders around the world including Angela Merkel, François Hollande, Recep Erdogan of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel none of who believe that the United States should have to get the nod from the UN Security Council before bombing a sovereign country.

I don’t know who is responsible for the chemical attack at Khan Shaikhoun, but there is an interesting interview on Thursday’s Scott Horton show that suggests that things may not be what they seem. In a 14 minute interview, former CIA officer and Director of the Council for the National Interest, Philip Giraldi, explains what’s happening behind the scenes in the Middle East where “military and intelligence personnel,” “intimately familiar” with the intelligence, say that the narrative that Assad or Russia did it is a “sham.”

I have transcribed a 5 minute segment of the interview here– not because it provides conclusive evidence one way or the other— but because curious readers will find it intriguing. (Any mistakes in the transcript are mine.)

Philip Giraldi– I am hearing from sources on the ground, in the Middle East, the people who are intimately familiar with the intelligence available are saying that the essential narrative we are all hearing about the Syrian government or the Russians using chemical weapons on innocent civilians is a sham. The intelligence confirms pretty much the account the Russians have been giving since last night which is that they hit a warehouse where al Qaida rebels were storing chemicals of their own and it basically caused an explosion that resulted in the casualties. Apparently the intelligence on this is very clear, and people both in the Agency and in the military who are aware of the intelligence are freaking out about this because essentially Trump completely misrepresented what he should already have known — but maybe didn’t–and they’re afraid this is moving towards a situation that could easily turn into an armed conflict.

Scott Horton– Tell me everything you can about your sources or how you are learning about this?

Philip Giraldi– Okay. These are essentially sources that are right on top of the issue right in the Middle East. They’re people who are stationed there with the military and the Intelligence agencies that are aware and have seen the intelligence And, as I say, they are coming back to contacts over here in the US essentially that they astonished at how this is being played by the administration and by the media and in some cases people are considering going public to stop it. They’re that concerned about it, that upset by what’s going on.

Scott Horton– So current CIA officers are thinking about going public right now?

ORDER IT NOW

Philip Giraldi– They are, because they’re that concerned about the way this thing is moving. They are military and intelligence personnel who are stationed in the Middle East and are active duty and they are seeing the intelligence the US government has in its hands about what happened in Syria, and the intelligence indicates that it was not an attack by the Syrian government using chemical weapons… There was an attack but it was with conventional weapons–a bomb– and the bomb ignited the chemicals that were already in place that had been put in there by the terrorist group affiliated with al Qaida.

Scott Horton– You say this thing is moving really fast. How fast is this thing moving?

Philip Giraldi– It’s moving really fast. Apparently the concern among the people who are active duty personnel is that the White House is anticipating doing something to take steps against the Syrian government. What that might consist of nobody knows. But Trump was sending a fairly clear signal yesterday and so was our ambassador to the UN. about the heinousness of this act. Trump talked about crossing numerous “red lines” and they are essentially fearful that this is going to escalate . Now bear in mind, Assad had no motive for doing this. If anything, he had a negative motive. The Trump said there was no longer any reason to remove him from office, well, this was a big win for him. To turn around and use chemical weapons 48 hours later, does not fit ant reasonable scenario, although I’ve seen some floated out there, but they are quite ridiculous.” (T he Scott Horton Show)

I think you’ll find that listening to the whole show is worth the time.

Giraldi’s observations are persuasive but not conclusive. There needs to be an investigation, that much is certain. (The show was taped before the missile attack, which does show that Giraldi was right about “how fast” things were moving.)

Media analysts appear to be surprised that Russia hasn’t responded militarily to Thursday’s attack. Some even see it as a sign of weakness. But Moscow’s approach to Washington’s impulsiveness has been fairly consistent for the last decade or so. With as little fanfare as possible, Moscow goes about its business and works discreetly to protect its interests. Unlike Trump, Putin is not a man who likes to attract a lot of attention to himself. He likes to operate off the radar. Even so, Russia has a coherent policy in Syria (fighting terrorism and preserving the sovereign government) and it’s not going to veer from that policy. Most Americans don’t seem to understand that. Russia’s not going to budge, which is why the Kremlin cut off cooperation with Washington, shored up its missile defenses in Syria, and moved a frigate to the Mediterranean. Moscow does not want a broader conflict, but it will be prepared if one breaks out.

The Russians are concerned about Trump’s sudden escalation, but they’re not surprised. They have spotted a pattern in US war-making and they’re able to comment on it quite calmly despite its terrible implications. Here’ more from the Russian Minister of Defense:

“The US administrations have changed but the methods for unleashing wars have remained the same since bombardments of Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Libya. Allegations, falsifications, grandstand playing with photos and test-tubes with pseudo results in international organizations became the reason for initiating aggression instead of an objective investigation.”

Lie, bomb, kill, repeat. Konashenkov doesn’t sound surprised at all, does he? It’s a pattern, a deadly, frightening pattern. The only thing that changes is the names of the victims.

And here’s another thing readers might find interesting: The Russians have an impressive grasp of Washington’s global strategy, in fact, their analysis is vastly superior to anything you’ll read in either the western journals or the establishment media. Here’s a short clip from a recent speech by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov:

“The concept of managed chaos appeared long ago as a method of strengthening US influence. Its basic premise is that managed chaos projects should be launched away from the United States in regions that are crucial for global economic and financial development. The Middle East has always been in the focus of politicians and foreign policy engineers in Washington. Practice has shown that this concept is dangerous and destructive, in particular for the countries where the experiment was launched, namely Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan…In Iraq, Syria and Libya, this chaos was created intentionally.

…Responsible politicians have come to see that the managed chaos theory is destroying life in many regions. Some parties can benefit in the short term from fluctuations on the raw materials markets provoked by the revolutions orchestrated by external forces, but this theory ultimately backfires at its engineers and executors in the form of massive migration inflows, which terrorists use to enter these countries. We can see this in Europe. Terrorist attacks have been staged even in the United States. The Atlantic Ocean has not protected it from the terrorist threat. This is the boomerang effect.” (Lavrov)

“Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell. That’s why there’s been no effort to create strong, stable, secular governments that can provide security for their people in any of the countries the US has destroyed in the last 16 years, because this long string of failed states that now stretches from North Africa, through the Middle East and into Central Asia (The ‘arc of instability’) create a permanent justification for US military intervention as well as strategic access to vital resources. So why waste money and time on nation building when nation building runs counter to Washington’s strategic objectives? Instead, decimate the nation state wherever you go, and leave the people to scratch out a miserable hardscrabble existence for themselves while fending off the relentless violence and persecution of tribal elders or local warlords.

Is that a fair assessment of US foreign policy?

Indeed, it is. And the Russian leadership understands the far-reaching implications of that policy. They know that Washington’s ambitions could result in a war between the two nuclear-armed adversaries. They fully understand that.

Even so, they’re not going to budge. They’re not going to let Syria become another Iraq. They’re not going to let that happen.

So, it’s all coming to a head. The unstoppable force is fast approaching the immovable object. There’s going to be a collision.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.

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  1. The unstoppable force is fast approaching the immovable object.

    Oh, dear. Hopefully this idiom overstates a bit: not quite unstoppable, nor exactly immovable…

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    No such thing as an unstoppable force.
    Russia has proved itself an immovable object.
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  2. This is a fine article, Mr Whitney.

    Thank you for it.

    It really makes no sense for the Syrian regime to engage in using chemical weapons unless they are itching for the US military to enter the fray and tip the balance in the conflict in favor of ISIS..

    One cannot imagine why now , or in 2013 , Assad would be so stupid ?

    You suggest he might be that stupid…Okay.

    He might be .

    But if you are on the verge of victory, and about to reclaim your country from the assorted Jihadists who are fragmenting it …why would you do the ONE THING that might incur the wrath of the US ? …. If you know its a “red line”…and you are steps from victory ….wouldn’t it be the last thing on your mind ?

    It is a 99% probability that this was NOT a chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime.

    So what happens now ?

    Will our Presidents rush to judgement, and his extra-legal response, prove to be egg on his face ?

    What happens to the legitimacy of an “authentic” investigation going forward…..now that we have struck in reckless certainty of culpability ?

    Can President Trump truly afford to find out he muffed this one ?

    Could you, if you were he ?

    It seems , given all the fabricated pretexts which have been foisted on Americans over the past 15 years , the likelihood this is just one more…is very, very strong.

    Why wouldn’t it be ?

    Our “elites” have informed us, early on, they are an “empire” now…and they are so “powerful” they can create their OWN reality …regardless of the facts in the matter.

    We know this is their M.O.

    The question is…… are they willing to OWN the reality they have created ?

    Are they ?

    If so, then please cut the American taxpayer a check for 14.3 trillion dollars…right away.

    Why should the American taxpayer be on the hook for the TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR PHONY REALITY they created ?

    Shouldn’t THEY pay for it …..

    …..The WHOLE way ?

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    • Replies: @unseated
    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama's Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that "Assad is a brutal dictator". These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya - a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician - though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.
  3. The American people have a choice to make. They can protest, flood the streets, using cars and trucks etc to block intersections and halt commerce to create their own controlled chaos to send a message to Trump to stop all overseas aggression and stick to the main themes that got him elected, like arresting the Clintons, the Neo-cons and all those who’ve been involved in criminal conduct (including the financial shenanigans of Wall St) OR they can wait for the uncontrolled chaos in the form of blowback to really hit and then be used as the trigger to impose the long desired police state and the end of America as we knew it.

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  4. “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell.”

    In reality, that is Washington’s AND Moscow’s foreign policy. Both seek to carve out their own niche at the expense of one another. Both use deception. Both have a knack for blaming the other for instability in the world.

    As far as war is concerned, it’s not going to happen.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Let us just be crystal clear, Corvinus.

    I am not happy now....not happy at all !

    Has ONE US congressman...or Senator....made even a PATHETIC ATTEMPT to suggest how they PLAN to pay DOWN the HEINOUS TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR NATIONAL DEBT...their WAR FRAUD and BANKING FRAUD have created for Americans citizens ?


    If NOT....WHY NOT ?

    Has the HEROIC NEW YORK TIMES...who was so GAME to exterminate over a MILLION innocent Iraq people..who never attacked us on 9-11.....suggested that now ALL their assets should be requisitioned to pay down the unconscionable DEBT their fraud has created ?

    IF Not ....WHY NOT ?

    When will these DISHONEST people assume responsibility for their DECEITS ?

    NEVER ?

    Why not ?

    Are 320 million Americans supposed to be on the hook. for TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT .......because they LIED ?

    Who says that's okay ?

    They do ?

    Let them PAY UP...every single penny their deceptions have cost US...

    EVERY DAMN PENNY !

    There should not be ONE moment of every waking day of the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION...where this in not the HIGHEST PRIORITY .

    Nothing else even comes CLOSE.
    , @Wally
    Please explain how 'managed chaos is Moscow's foreign policy at the expense of Washington'.

    I agree, war between the two is not coming.
    Trump's base is really pissed off and let's hope he's aware of it.

    Thanks.

    , @Eee
    @Corvinus

    On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments.

    Analyze everything that Moscow's done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I'm right -- your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians. Moreover, read Putin's speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language -- he's always in favour of stability, and he has criticized the West for attempting to destabilize the world through revolutions like what the Soviet Union used to do. Putin's default solution is doing nothing for as long as he can, and then taking the most minimal action he can, leaving things half-done if he can at all get away with it.

    Look at Ukraine -- Putin refused to support the Donbass referendum (the locals organized it anyway), allowed only enough unofficial support to flow to the rebels to satisfy domestic opinion (which was very strongly pro-Donbass) and prevent their total defeat, removed their most effective and ideologically "fanatical" military leader (Strelkov) and forced through peace treaties at the earliest opportunity, despite their deep unpopularity in Donbass.

    Look at Syria -- Russia has constantly been trying to bring the sides together and make fruitless peace treaties, even trying to bring Turkey (a former buyer of ISIS oil and Al-Qaeda supporter) alongside, organizing the Reconciliation Committee, etc.

    Now look at the US -- doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed. Bombing Thardeh Mountain (which was then taken over by ISIS) to sabotage the Assad-rebel ceasefire last autumn. In Ukraine, hostilities always seem to break out right after McCain visits the place. Same thing in Syria -- McCain visits it, and shortly after there's another false flag chemical attack, just two days before major peace talks were supposed to start in which Assad had an upper hand.

    The Western elites like to blame Russia for political instability in their own countries, claiming that it's responsible for Trump, for Le Pen, for Brexit. But first, even if true, this "political chaos" doesn't hold a candle to fomenting civil wars. Second, the real cause is public backlash to the West's own policies. And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria.
    , @The Alarmist

    "As far as war is concerned, it’s not going to happen."
     
    Yeah, that's what they thought in 1914.

    Managed Chaos has three possible paths: Well-managed, mis-managed, and a mix of the two. The latter two paths have an unfotunate likelihood to produce blowback. Have we ever seen an example of well-managed chaos?
  5. @Corvinus
    “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell."

    In reality, that is Washington's AND Moscow's foreign policy. Both seek to carve out their own niche at the expense of one another. Both use deception. Both have a knack for blaming the other for instability in the world.

    As far as war is concerned, it's not going to happen.

    Let us just be crystal clear, Corvinus.

    I am not happy now….not happy at all !

    Has ONE US congressman…or Senator….made even a PATHETIC ATTEMPT to suggest how they PLAN to pay DOWN the HEINOUS TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR NATIONAL DEBT…their WAR FRAUD and BANKING FRAUD have created for Americans citizens ?

    If NOT….WHY NOT ?

    Has the HEROIC NEW YORK TIMES…who was so GAME to exterminate over a MILLION innocent Iraq people..who never attacked us on 9-11…..suggested that now ALL their assets should be requisitioned to pay down the unconscionable DEBT their fraud has created ?

    IF Not ….WHY NOT ?

    When will these DISHONEST people assume responsibility for their DECEITS ?

    NEVER ?

    Why not ?

    Are 320 million Americans supposed to be on the hook. for TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT …….because they LIED ?

    Who says that’s okay ?

    They do ?

    Let them PAY UP…every single penny their deceptions have cost US…

    EVERY DAMN PENNY !

    There should not be ONE moment of every waking day of the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION…where this in not the HIGHEST PRIORITY .

    Nothing else even comes CLOSE.

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  6. I expect a crafty Russian response via Iran. We have 20,000 troops scattered around Jordan, Iraq and Kuwait, along with 20,000 Western “contractors.” The Shia led Iraqi government with the anti-American Sadr militia and several thousand Iranian “advisors” are in Iraq. If Syria goes, Iran is next, so that will not happen without a fight.

    If attacks on Syria escalate, it would not be difficult to quickly overrun some, if not all these remote American outposts and round up a few thousand American POWs while Putin laughs. That would be a mess. For those who need their mind cleansed after watching corporate fake news the past 24 hours:

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    • Replies: @edNels
    Wilkerson gives it up for the Barrel bombs again. How is an improvised explosive as inefficient as a fifty gallon barrel filled with what...? Amphofuel and a detonator? dropped how? pushed off a helicopter side port. How would that be a tool?

    Surmise:Barrel bomb is a talking point that makes points, so that pundits can insert other issues, with out too much negative over view from the censors. Maybe it is figured if you put in a couple of known code words that are specific propaganda originated, that the geniuses that scan it, will simply stop examining the transcript and go to the next.

    Could somebody who knows, explain the significance of the so called Barrel Bomb.

    Wilkerson is good.
    , @geokat62
    Thanks for sharing, Anon.

    The video you linked to is an interview of Larry Wilkerson by Paul Jay:

    Former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, tells Paul Jay that the Syrian Government may not be responsible for the chemical attack and that Trump's response was a violation of international law. 
     
    But in addition to sham chemical attack, Wilkerson goes further, and @17:42 he states:

    We're talking about people like Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Douglas Feith and a host of these other people, Dick Cheney. These people lie, cheat, steal, they will do anything to get what they think is necessary. And at the bottom of most of what they think is necessary is protecting Israel. I've got news for them. They're setting up, we're setting up, we're creating, in the ME... and I've said this and I will say it again and again, until I got to go to my grave and that won't be a short time away... we're setting up a condition where Israel is going to cease to exist. We are creating the most dangerous situation, along with Netanyahu (he is giving us a lot of help) the most dangerous possible situation for Israel in that region of the world. Because at the end of the day when Israel is sinking we are not going to her rescue because we will be in the process of sinking ourselves.
     
  8. @Corvinus
    “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell."

    In reality, that is Washington's AND Moscow's foreign policy. Both seek to carve out their own niche at the expense of one another. Both use deception. Both have a knack for blaming the other for instability in the world.

    As far as war is concerned, it's not going to happen.

    Please explain how ‘managed chaos is Moscow’s foreign policy at the expense of Washington’.

    I agree, war between the two is not coming.
    Trump’s base is really pissed off and let’s hope he’s aware of it.

    Thanks.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Please explain how ‘managed chaos is Moscow’s foreign policy at the expense of Washington’."

    The claim by Moscow that the U.S. operated a false flag on Syria is proof enough. Don't be fooled into thinking Putin has his nation's best interests. He is an oligarch and corporatist who uses nationalism as cover.
  9. Strange approach, the networks are showing endless footage now of the chemical weapons attack, more than they did when the story was first being reported. Clearly, it’s being deemed necessary to make sure the American people are given a full dose of horror in order to bolster the Tomahawk attack and what comes next, which, the scale of this coverage implies, may be a significant escalation.

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    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Yeah, that look more and more like a false flag well planned in advance. http://www.mediaite.com/online/false-flag-vs-wag-the-dog-conspiracy-theories-emerge-on-syria-missile-strike/

    And now, there's #FireKushner trending on Twitter where people told to Trump to drop his son-in-law and listen to Bannon instead. http://theralphretort.com/firekushner-sweeps-twitter-amid-reports-ivankas-husband-is-trying-to-sideline-steve-bannon-407017/
    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/04/07/no-war-no-cucks-firekushner-now-trending-on-twitter/
  10. IMO, this is all nothing but Kabuki Theater between Trump, Putin, and Assad to neutralize the Deep State’s attempt at a chemical false-flag to try to draw us into militarily seeking regime change in Syria.

    It’s all just posturing for the balkanization of Syria and Iraq which is pretty much already a fait accompli. The Israeli’s want Assad to be no part of the redrawn map and that’s really the only thing that this false-flag chemical attack is about. Syria is beyond the point of being put back together and it’s just a matter of where the new lines on the map are going to be drawn when they carve it up at some meeting in Switzerland that I’m sure they’ll be having in the near future. If any regime change of Assad occurs it will be done at a negotiating table by the Russians of someone of their choice in return for some benefit to Russia.

    Trump’s coordinated response with Putin and Assad of a firework show on an empty air-strip was the perfect response to keep the warmongers at bay. It was not an attempt at regime change by Trump. The real false-flag that we need to be worried about setting off WW3 is one that involves trying to cause regime change in Iran.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    If you need to pretend that 6-dimensional chess is now being played on an international level to keep your sanity, feel free.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    I hope you are right about this, but I am pessimistic.
  11. Mr. Whitney essentially has it correct on this one. This is a reckless war crime which could degenerate into a fatal nuclear war. “Cui bono?” who benefits? is the operative phrase disproving Syrian government complicity. The record of the jihadis using gas attacks as provocations in the past reveals a pattern of behaviour which this follows once again. The pictures have also been disproven and the propaganda agent, a struck-off Pakistani origin London doctor, is also without credibility. Those like bellingcat and the white helmets pushing this story have repeatedly been proven to be neoc0n shills or the actual propaganda human face of jihadi barbarians, so there is no way it can be as the power structure indicates. Trump was apparently too weak in the end not to do a 180 in the course of several days in response to a propanda provocation and act as a poodle of war on behalf of a yankee imperium responsible over its 75 year history for millions of deaths and more bombs than any prior empire in history, including the third Reich.

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  12. I remember that back in the ’80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.

    Prior to WW2 the America First Committee tried and also failed to prevent US involvement in that hideous foolishness too. I don’t know of one anti-war movement that was successful, in fact. Now there isn’t even one of much significance.

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!

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    • Replies: @neutral

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!
     
    Here is the answer(((s)))!
    , @Parbes
    "I remember that back in the ’80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.....I sure would like to know the answer(s)!"

    I think I can give you the answer to that: The chickenhawks prevailed - and continue to prevail - because they were - and are - allowed to scheme, collude, conspire and commit crimes at will, unhampered and without paying any PERSONAL price. Despite all their scheming, power grabs and the criminal disasters they caused, they (and their minions) never suffered THEMSELVES - personally or as a group.

    "Fine articles", "well-reasoned, sensible arguments", "polite, restrained criticism of failures", "mild shaming", and "playing by the rules" (while power-and-greed-driven criminal cabals collectively skirt all the rules) are NOT ENOUGH. Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.
    , @Emblematic
    Obama pulling back from the brink of attacking Syria in 2013 (the first chemical weapons false flag) is usually put down to the U.S. military being reluctant but there was something before that. British Prime Minister David Cameron had committed Britain to participating in the attack but a massive spontaneous pushback from the British public made him back down. It was immediately after that Obama got cold feet. I remember that loud "no" from the British public being the turning point that derailed what had been a one way drive to war.
  13. Dear Mr Whitney,

    Does anybody have a number ?

    That’s right…….A “number”…… attached to a six year war with Russia ?

    What is the number ?

    Is it “six trillion”……is it “eight trillion”…is it “twelve trillion”…is it “twenty trillion” ?

    And who , pray tell, is going to pay for it ?

    Are YOU going to pay for it ?

    Is President Trump going to raise all our taxes by 20,000 % so our disingenuous “elites” can have their big stupid war ?

    Is our POSTERITY supposed to pick up the tab …..20 years from now ?

    Is this THEIR big game plan….Kick the COST CAN down the road for a few decades ?

    How disgusting is that ?

    How “evil” is that…… Mr. Whitney ?

    These people should be ASHAMED of themselves . Everyone of them !

    When will President Trump start to show some maturity ?

    When will our congress do their job..and stop allocated TRILLIONS of our tax dollars to wars we cannot afford ?

    When will they do THAT ?

    Show me the PLAN to pay for the 14.3 TRILLION they have already squandered ?

    Where is it ?

    What is it ?

    What does it look like ?

    WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING ALL DAY ?

    Do they wake up every morning thinking what is it they can possibly do today, to EXTERMINATE the solvency of our nation and rip off the taxpayer of another twenty trillion ?

    Is that it ?

    Is this their “thinking” ?

    It must be….Mr. Whitney…..because nothing else makes sense .

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  14. ” The components for their production have been transported from the Syrian Arab Republic to the enterprises of the United States, Finland, Great Britain, and Germany where they have been destroyed.”

    Interesting. On top of the CIA’s ability to hack into any computer system and leave the fingerprints of Russia, Iran, China etc. now it has the ability to undermine the Syrian State by using Syrian components in Chemical weapons used in Syria or elsewhere.

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    Elementary logic, I think Aristotle already got that right:

    If there are no Syrian Chemical Weapons, it is a vapid truth that Syrian Components are being used in these Chemical Weapons.
  15. What humanity is witnessing are the efforts of the Power to limit, control and misdirect the rising understanding of humanity’s power to reshape this reality. Should have happened in 2012, so we’re late, but something IS coming.
    This might serve to give further understanding:

    http://olivefarmercrete.blogspot.gr/2017/04/co-creation.html

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  16. @Corvinus
    “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell."

    In reality, that is Washington's AND Moscow's foreign policy. Both seek to carve out their own niche at the expense of one another. Both use deception. Both have a knack for blaming the other for instability in the world.

    As far as war is concerned, it's not going to happen.

    On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments.

    Analyze everything that Moscow’s done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I’m right — your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians. Moreover, read Putin’s speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language — he’s always in favour of stability, and he has criticized the West for attempting to destabilize the world through revolutions like what the Soviet Union used to do. Putin’s default solution is doing nothing for as long as he can, and then taking the most minimal action he can, leaving things half-done if he can at all get away with it.

    Look at Ukraine — Putin refused to support the Donbass referendum (the locals organized it anyway), allowed only enough unofficial support to flow to the rebels to satisfy domestic opinion (which was very strongly pro-Donbass) and prevent their total defeat, removed their most effective and ideologically “fanatical” military leader (Strelkov) and forced through peace treaties at the earliest opportunity, despite their deep unpopularity in Donbass.

    Look at Syria — Russia has constantly been trying to bring the sides together and make fruitless peace treaties, even trying to bring Turkey (a former buyer of ISIS oil and Al-Qaeda supporter) alongside, organizing the Reconciliation Committee, etc.

    Now look at the US — doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed. Bombing Thardeh Mountain (which was then taken over by ISIS) to sabotage the Assad-rebel ceasefire last autumn. In Ukraine, hostilities always seem to break out right after McCain visits the place. Same thing in Syria — McCain visits it, and shortly after there’s another false flag chemical attack, just two days before major peace talks were supposed to start in which Assad had an upper hand.

    The Western elites like to blame Russia for political instability in their own countries, claiming that it’s responsible for Trump, for Le Pen, for Brexit. But first, even if true, this “political chaos” doesn’t hold a candle to fomenting civil wars. Second, the real cause is public backlash to the West’s own policies. And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

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    ".....your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses....."

    Or......Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort.
    , @Corvinus
    "On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments."

    No. Russia’s violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity, nuclear saber rattling, and cyberspace warfare demonstrates that nation's ambition to erode the principled international order...similar to America's machinations.

    "Analyze everything that Moscow’s done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I’m right — your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians."

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You've been thoroughly duped.

    "Moreover, read Putin’s speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language — he’s always in favour of stability..."

    No.

    http://kosovotwopointzero.com/en/global-instability-strengthens-russian-influence-balkans/

    "However, this event would not have made the headlines without the accusations of involvement of a great power. According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?"

    "Look at Ukraine, Syria"

    Putin is looking out for his own interests at the expense of everyone else. He is other than a humanitarian.

    "Now look at the US — doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed."

    In response to Russian ruses and maneuvering.

    "And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria."

    Led by diabolical strongmen who torture political dissidents and engage in cronyism to financially benefit them at the expense of their people. Of course, the U.S. and Russian use every trick in the book to ensure that these nations are on their side. Again, both nations create chaotic conditions to benefit themselves. Facts.
  17. @Corvinus
    “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell."

    In reality, that is Washington's AND Moscow's foreign policy. Both seek to carve out their own niche at the expense of one another. Both use deception. Both have a knack for blaming the other for instability in the world.

    As far as war is concerned, it's not going to happen.

    “As far as war is concerned, it’s not going to happen.”

    Yeah, that’s what they thought in 1914.

    Managed Chaos has three possible paths: Well-managed, mis-managed, and a mix of the two. The latter two paths have an unfotunate likelihood to produce blowback. Have we ever seen an example of well-managed chaos?

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  18. NOTE: This interview was recorded in the hours BEFORE Trump bomber Syria, or it would have been discussed. In this conversation with Andy Hoffman we discuss the Russia and China’s rapid move away from the Dollar and toward gold. It will soon be judgment day for the Petro-dollar.

    I think TPTB/Central Bankers are deliberately setting us up for WW3 w/Russia and/or China b/c they are breaking away from their fake, money printed from thin air, Federal Reserve System

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-05/real-reason-federal-government-have-been-keen-blame-russia-everything (this has been going on throughout history: any nation that breaks free or threatens the oligarchy controlling the money supply gets targeted–online documentary “All Wars are Bankers Wars” documents this.

    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt. I think there is a legal concept of Odious Debt that applies. Plus it’s fraudulent debt in that it’s just money printed from thin air.

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    "I think TPTB/Central Bankers are deliberately setting us up for WW3 w/Russia and/or China b/c they are breaking away from their fake, money printed from thin air, Federal Reserve System"

    The Central Bankers have already included the Chinese Renminbi into the IMFs SDR basket so it's a mistake to think of China as breaking away from the system. China is full on board for a global currency reset to bring about a Mono-Global Governance or as George Soros calls it, "a New World Order".

    http://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2016/09/30/AM16-PR16440-IMF-Launches-New-SDR-Basket-Including-Chinese-Renminbi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Y144tuACs
    , @jacques sheete

    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt.
     
    Yup.

    Let those who signed for it, and those who were eager to lend take the risk. I myself never approved of one cent of it, nor would I have ever considered doing so, so why should I and folks like me pay?
  19. “That year Reagan beat incumbent Jimmy Carter only because of the October Surprise, a top secret deal overseen by former CIA Director Bush negotiated with Iran’s Khomeini to delay the release of the 52 American hostages in Tehran until after Reagan was elected and became president. Had Carter been able to free the hostages prior to his November election reducing their 444 day ordeal, he would have secured his second term in office.”

    This is what the “brilliant” author concluded. Carter was doomed because of his ineffective economic policies, regardless if the hostages would have been freed prior to the 1980 Election. There is no “would have”, just “may have put himself in a better position”.

    The rest of his “analysis” follows the same path. People, don’t be duped.

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  20. @Wally
    Please explain how 'managed chaos is Moscow's foreign policy at the expense of Washington'.

    I agree, war between the two is not coming.
    Trump's base is really pissed off and let's hope he's aware of it.

    Thanks.

    “Please explain how ‘managed chaos is Moscow’s foreign policy at the expense of Washington’.”

    The claim by Moscow that the U.S. operated a false flag on Syria is proof enough. Don’t be fooled into thinking Putin has his nation’s best interests. He is an oligarch and corporatist who uses nationalism as cover.

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    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Wally
    IOW, you dodged my question because you can't back up your absurd claim.

    It WAS a false flag, you have no proof that it was a sarin gas attack by Assad / Syrian military as alleged.

    This blows away the phony Trump / neo-con claim of sarin gas.
    Bare hands and sarin equals a huge problem.
    You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack. See photo & more here:
    see here:
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/

  21. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I was just doing a little wiki research on General McMaster, Trump’s new military advisor and came upon this little gem:

    “Because McMaster intended to remain on active duty, his official assumption of the National Security Advisor’s duties and responsibilities required a United States Senate vote; lieutenant generals and generals require Senate confirmation of their rank and assignments.[30] On March 6, 2017, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 23-2 to recommend to the full Senate that McMaster be confirmed for reappointment at his lieutenant general rank during his service as the National Security Advisor.[31] The committee recommendation was referred to the Senate on March 7, and the full Senate confirmed McMaster by a vote of 86-10 on March 15, 2017.[32]”

    This means that it would be impoosible for a officer to be promoted above the level of major general if he or she was considered to be a less than fanatical supporter of Israel because our Israel controlled senate would then deem his “unqualified” and then deny the promotion.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Since the Senate also has the right to vote on a lieutenant general's or general's assignments, there is little or no chance that a truly impartial general would ever be allowed to serve in the Mideast.
  22. @jacques sheete
    I remember that back in the '80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.

    Prior to WW2 the America First Committee tried and also failed to prevent US involvement in that hideous foolishness too. I don't know of one anti-war movement that was successful, in fact. Now there isn't even one of much significance.

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!

    Here is the answer(((s)))!

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  23. In the last months of the election campaign and in the period leading up to his inauguration Trump lucidly explained why US involvement in Syria was a bad idea, castigated Clinton for her promises of further US involvement, and promised that his administration would remove the USA from this quagmire. He did this many times. It is one of the main reasons I voted for him.

    Now Trump has ignored his own good arguments, reneged on campaign promises, and attacked Syria – and by proxy Russia – in an excessively belligerent way. This attack was launched in violation of the Constitution and international law. The justification was that Assad used poison gas but this has no empirical or logical foundation. The attack has further confused the situation in Syria, made that situation far more dangerous, and put the USA in the position of providing aid and comfort to ISIS.

    Mr. Whitney has suggested that “managed chaos” is a major US policy. Corvinus doubles down on this and suggests that it’s also Russian policy. However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel’s new allies, Saudi Arabia and all the other corrupt Arab Gulf state regimes. Israel is already taking advantage by making a grab for oil reserves off the coast of Lebanon and further shoring up its illegitimate occupation of the Golan Heights.

    In the USA, it is Israel’s fifth column of soi disant neocons, more overt Zionist lobbyists and political donors (really unregistered agents of a foreign power), and an MSM and entertainment industry that is largely owned and controlled by Jewish Zionist sympathizers that ceaselessly works to involve the USA in foreign policies that favor Israel and are highly destructive of US interests and any prospects for world peace. I was appalled when the US Congress demonstrated how thoroughly most of its members are owned by Israel when the uninvited Netanyahu was given a standing ovation as he criticized President Obama’s foreign policy. I thought that Trump might escape the coils of Israeli influence and rid our government of neocon parasites. Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war.

    I fantasize that when Israel finally gets the world war it wants, one of Russia’s Satan-2 bombs will reduce that colonial excrescence to a heap of glowing nuclear slag. Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously.

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    "However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel’s new allies..."

    Why, of course, it's the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts.

    "Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war."

    So if this be true, and you are sitting on your hands, then you are part of the problem. The time is now for direct action. Are you going to do something about it?

    "Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously."

    Are you going to be the lead judge in this fantasy case?
  24. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    I was just doing a little wiki research on General McMaster, Trump's new military advisor and came upon this little gem:

    "Because McMaster intended to remain on active duty, his official assumption of the National Security Advisor's duties and responsibilities required a United States Senate vote; lieutenant generals and generals require Senate confirmation of their rank and assignments.[30] On March 6, 2017, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted 23-2 to recommend to the full Senate that McMaster be confirmed for reappointment at his lieutenant general rank during his service as the National Security Advisor.[31] The committee recommendation was referred to the Senate on March 7, and the full Senate confirmed McMaster by a vote of 86-10 on March 15, 2017.[32]"

    This means that it would be impoosible for a officer to be promoted above the level of major general if he or she was considered to be a less than fanatical supporter of Israel because our Israel controlled senate would then deem his "unqualified" and then deny the promotion.

    Since the Senate also has the right to vote on a lieutenant general’s or general’s assignments, there is little or no chance that a truly impartial general would ever be allowed to serve in the Mideast.

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  25. Apr 5, 2017 Idlib “Gas Attack” – What REALLY Happened?

    The usual collection of clowns and professional liars claim again (and again falsely} that Assad, in a suicidal and insane move, has used poison gas on US-backed terrorist held areas in Idlib Province. The truth is much more simple, logical and obvious.

    https://youtu.be/6J1jtvieaJE

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  26. Two days ago….Donald Trump murdered 4 Syrian children in cold blood….

    It cost Donald Trump 100 million $$$ of OUR TAX DOLLARS to murder these 4 innocent Syria children….

    Donald Trump in collusion with ISIS put on a theatrical performance of extreme mendacity to manipulate the American Public into believing that President Assad and President Putin were responsible for the murder of these 4 innocent Syria children….

    I’n the meantime….Israel funds ISIS……murders innocent Palestisn children with phosphorous bombs…..and RECIEVES billions from American Tax Payers….

    Noam Chomsky suppports regime change in Syria…and stated on Democracy Now that the US Military could play a positive role in democratizing Syria…

    Noam Chomsky=YINON PLAN for Syria….and Christian Russia…..Noam Chomsky’s allegiance is to his ethnic group…

    I have family serving in the US Army…and I am really scared….

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    • Agree: Amanda
    • Replies: @Amanda
    Yes, Chomsky is a gate-keeper for his tribe. All about the Oded Yinon Plan
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Also, after reading Chomsky's books exposing the crimes of empire, he NEVER mentioned the role of the Federal Reserve System--that was the first thing that got me suspicious. But what sealed the deal for me, in terms of what side he's on, was his stance on 9/11 (total gatekeeper!!)

  27. @kingfelix
    Strange approach, the networks are showing endless footage now of the chemical weapons attack, more than they did when the story was first being reported. Clearly, it's being deemed necessary to make sure the American people are given a full dose of horror in order to bolster the Tomahawk attack and what comes next, which, the scale of this coverage implies, may be a significant escalation.
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  28. Donald Trump…Jared Kushner….and the filthy stinking fucking whore Ivanka Trump Kushner..all three must be indicted and prosecuted for WAR CRIMES!!!!….This must be the Alt Right position right now…….Indict these GD MOTHER FUCKERS FOR WAR CRIMES!!!

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  29. @Corvinus
    "Please explain how ‘managed chaos is Moscow’s foreign policy at the expense of Washington’."

    The claim by Moscow that the U.S. operated a false flag on Syria is proof enough. Don't be fooled into thinking Putin has his nation's best interests. He is an oligarch and corporatist who uses nationalism as cover.

    IOW, you dodged my question because you can’t back up your absurd claim.

    It WAS a false flag, you have no proof that it was a sarin gas attack by Assad / Syrian military as alleged.

    This blows away the phony Trump / neo-con claim of sarin gas.
    Bare hands and sarin equals a huge problem.
    You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack. See photo & more here:
    see here:
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I know you have problems with logic so I’m going to point out something that should be obvious. If nuclear holocaust had materialized, we wouldn’t be here talking about it. It only needs to happen once."

    Russia has a history of deception to ensure their worldview is exported. I can't help that you wont' admit that fact.

    "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack"

    The extent of poisoning caused by sarin depends on the amount of sarin to which a person was exposed, how the person was exposed, and the length of time of the exposure. Symptoms likely will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of sarin and within a few minutes to hours after exposure to the liquid form. It would appear that there was moderate exposure to a chemical that was potent but not lethal. Longer exposure can lead to headache, foaming mouths, cramps, nausea, vomiting, involuntary urination and defecation, tightness in the chest, convulsions, coma and asphyxiation through respiratory arrest.

    Your source says "It also raises the question why a “doctor” in a hospital full of victims of sarin gas has the time to tweet and make video calls."

    If there are several doctors in a hospital working on patients, individual physicians are able to report on what is happening. There are no questions here.

    Your source says, "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack."

    Not all aid workers in Syria are properly equipped nor trained to handle sarin saturated bodies. It is other than surprising that they would not following protocol. Furthermore, is it for certain that the victims in that photograph from the source directly suffered from a gas attack, walked into the area and were stricken, were hit by shrapnel, or were near a munitions dump in the area and suffered wounds from that explosion?
  30. Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With USA

    https://youtu.be/L6hIlfHWaGU

    25.12. 2015 NATO: Seeking Russia’s Destruction Since 1949

    In 1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, U.S. president George H. W. Bush through his secretary of state James Baker promised Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev that in exchange for Soviet cooperation on German reunification, the Cold War era NATO alliance would not expand “one inch” eastwards towards Russia.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/12/25/nato-seeking-russia-destruction-since-1949.html

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    • Agree: Amanda
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    While HW was President, NATO didn't expand East.
  31. @jacques sheete
    I remember that back in the '80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.

    Prior to WW2 the America First Committee tried and also failed to prevent US involvement in that hideous foolishness too. I don't know of one anti-war movement that was successful, in fact. Now there isn't even one of much significance.

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!

    “I remember that back in the ’80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now…..I sure would like to know the answer(s)!”

    I think I can give you the answer to that: The chickenhawks prevailed – and continue to prevail – because they were – and are – allowed to scheme, collude, conspire and commit crimes at will, unhampered and without paying any PERSONAL price. Despite all their scheming, power grabs and the criminal disasters they caused, they (and their minions) never suffered THEMSELVES – personally or as a group.

    “Fine articles”, “well-reasoned, sensible arguments”, “polite, restrained criticism of failures”, “mild shaming”, and “playing by the rules” (while power-and-greed-driven criminal cabals collectively skirt all the rules) are NOT ENOUGH. Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.

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    Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.
     
    While true enough, in practice it rarely happens. How do "we" go about making sure they get what they deserve? Then, how do "we" ensure that they aren't replaced (as usual) by something even worse?
  32. For what it’s worth, the guy in this audio talks about how they might move this further into all out war. Apparently, on Hannity, Rubio may have been laying the propaganda groundwork for setting up US troops to get killed (false flag to be blamed on Syria), which would obviously draw the US in deeper. The host of this show seemed to think this might have something to do w/the “safe zones” they have been talking about setting up (obviously, the “safe zones” were not for helping the Syrian people, but more for setting the stage for partitioning Syria). Anyway, it’s just something to look out for, especially since US troops are now in there (small scale invasion courtesy of Trump), in addition to the US backed ISIS and other terrorists for hire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpqgxbWb7Y

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    You may be on to something here. As soon as I heard that we threw the tomahawks a red flag went up. Shades of '64 and the Gulf of Tonkin, only this time the stakes may be much more dangerous.
  33. Went to bed the other night and Trump was president. Woke up, and George Bush was in the Oval Office. His wife was transformed into Hillary Clinton.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    No, you missed it.

    As we can now see, Hillary WAS elected that fateful night.

    'Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg
  34. @War for Blair Mountain
    Two days ago....Donald Trump murdered 4 Syrian children in cold blood....

    It cost Donald Trump 100 million $$$ of OUR TAX DOLLARS to murder these 4 innocent Syria children....


    Donald Trump in collusion with ISIS put on a theatrical performance of extreme mendacity to manipulate the American Public into believing that President Assad and President Putin were responsible for the murder of these 4 innocent Syria children....


    I'n the meantime....Israel funds ISIS......murders innocent Palestisn children with phosphorous bombs.....and RECIEVES billions from American Tax Payers....


    Noam Chomsky suppports regime change in Syria...and stated on Democracy Now that the US Military could play a positive role in democratizing Syria...


    Noam Chomsky=YINON PLAN for Syria....and Christian Russia.....Noam Chomsky's allegiance is to his ethnic group...


    I have family serving in the US Army...and I am really scared....

    Yes, Chomsky is a gate-keeper for his tribe. All about the Oded Yinon Plan
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Also, after reading Chomsky’s books exposing the crimes of empire, he NEVER mentioned the role of the Federal Reserve System–that was the first thing that got me suspicious. But what sealed the deal for me, in terms of what side he’s on, was his stance on 9/11 (total gatekeeper!!)

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    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    I am not interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories...Chomsky's view on 9/11 is intellectually sound.

    9/11 TRUTHERS and JFK TRUTHERS are a cancer on intellectual discourse....

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Agreed. Like Sanders, Chomsky is just another fake Jewish leftist.
  35. @Mr. Whitney: Superb reporting!

    “Managed Chaos” – Washington policy in a nutshell! Well – that too is not applicable any longer because now it turned into a ‘Managed Clusterf$ck” by the Deep State and it’s favorite poodle like McCain, Merkel and others throughout Europe so giddy at the moment appreciating the bombing by DT.

    No doubt that this was a false flag and said Sarin gas was used by the Deep State sponsored moderate rebels Al Nusra/ISIS rather than Assad who had no reason at all to use it against his own citizens. The Deep State has become so sloppy in their desperation as well as predictable.
    The problem is that they don’t care who and how many innocent people the kill in the process to reach their goal while dead people are just collateral damage in their scheme of things.

    Their mission statement is as follows: Out of chaos comes order!

    The decision made by DT et al being goaded into the bombing changes things for those of us who thought him to be understanding of the game the Deep State has been playing for years – destabilizing one country after another leaving vacuums that is filled by demonic savages.

    Consider the engineered coups over the last 8+ years: Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Honduras, Ukraine, Iraq and Syria although incomplete mainly because Obama and Hillary running out of time after Putin entered the fray.
    Time will tell what comes next out of the DT administration: either they continue the agenda of the Deep State or if they intent to take that Deep State apart one domino at the time which takes understanding and determination regardless of risks that may also end in assassination(s)!
    Half of the American citizenry is well aware now based on the beauty of the internet that has all the information one need to understand who really holds the power ergo agenda because the whale in DC it’s not it!
    There is also no doubt that the Deep State feels panicked having lost the power to dominate what their propaganda outlets want Americans to know and shape their minds all-the-while continuing to move closer to the one-world-order. Half of the American public is on to them thanks to last election and exposure of the US Pravda.

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    "ORDO AB CHAO"
    'A Latin expression, meaning Order out of Chaos. A motto of the Thirty-third Degree, and having the same allusion as lux e tenebris, which see in this work. The invention of this motto is to be attributed to the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite at Charleston, and it is first met with in the Patent of Count de Grasse, dated February 1, 1802. When De Grasse afterward carried the Rite over to France and established a Supreme Council there, he changed the motto, and, according to Lenning, Ordo ab hoc, Order out of This, was used by him and his Council in all their documents. If so, it was simply a blunder'.
    - Source: Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

    The Scottish Rite was introduced in America by the French (Portuguese?) Jew Etienne Morin and Portuguese-Dutch Jew Isaac da Costa.
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    @Amanda
    For what it's worth, the guy in this audio talks about how they might move this further into all out war. Apparently, on Hannity, Rubio may have been laying the propaganda groundwork for setting up US troops to get killed (false flag to be blamed on Syria), which would obviously draw the US in deeper. The host of this show seemed to think this might have something to do w/the "safe zones" they have been talking about setting up (obviously, the "safe zones" were not for helping the Syrian people, but more for setting the stage for partitioning Syria). Anyway, it's just something to look out for, especially since US troops are now in there (small scale invasion courtesy of Trump), in addition to the US backed ISIS and other terrorists for hire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpqgxbWb7Y

    You may be on to something here. As soon as I heard that we threw the tomahawks a red flag went up. Shades of ’64 and the Gulf of Tonkin, only this time the stakes may be much more dangerous.

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  37. @Amanda
    Yes, Chomsky is a gate-keeper for his tribe. All about the Oded Yinon Plan
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Also, after reading Chomsky's books exposing the crimes of empire, he NEVER mentioned the role of the Federal Reserve System--that was the first thing that got me suspicious. But what sealed the deal for me, in terms of what side he's on, was his stance on 9/11 (total gatekeeper!!)

    I am not interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories…Chomsky’s view on 9/11 is intellectually sound.

    9/11 TRUTHERS and JFK TRUTHERS are a cancer on intellectual discourse….

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    • Replies: @Wally
    So you're not interested in the US government's laughable & impossible 9/11 conspiracy theory?

    24 hard facts about 9/11 that cannot be debunked
    http://www.hangthebankers.com/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked/
    , @Stonehands
    At this moment in time, why would you come to the defense of the kike Chomsky? You are giving aid to the enemy, numbnut.
  38. @Eee
    @Corvinus

    On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments.

    Analyze everything that Moscow's done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I'm right -- your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians. Moreover, read Putin's speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language -- he's always in favour of stability, and he has criticized the West for attempting to destabilize the world through revolutions like what the Soviet Union used to do. Putin's default solution is doing nothing for as long as he can, and then taking the most minimal action he can, leaving things half-done if he can at all get away with it.

    Look at Ukraine -- Putin refused to support the Donbass referendum (the locals organized it anyway), allowed only enough unofficial support to flow to the rebels to satisfy domestic opinion (which was very strongly pro-Donbass) and prevent their total defeat, removed their most effective and ideologically "fanatical" military leader (Strelkov) and forced through peace treaties at the earliest opportunity, despite their deep unpopularity in Donbass.

    Look at Syria -- Russia has constantly been trying to bring the sides together and make fruitless peace treaties, even trying to bring Turkey (a former buyer of ISIS oil and Al-Qaeda supporter) alongside, organizing the Reconciliation Committee, etc.

    Now look at the US -- doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed. Bombing Thardeh Mountain (which was then taken over by ISIS) to sabotage the Assad-rebel ceasefire last autumn. In Ukraine, hostilities always seem to break out right after McCain visits the place. Same thing in Syria -- McCain visits it, and shortly after there's another false flag chemical attack, just two days before major peace talks were supposed to start in which Assad had an upper hand.

    The Western elites like to blame Russia for political instability in their own countries, claiming that it's responsible for Trump, for Le Pen, for Brexit. But first, even if true, this "political chaos" doesn't hold a candle to fomenting civil wars. Second, the real cause is public backlash to the West's own policies. And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    “…..your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses…..”

    Or……Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Or……Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort."

    Yes, I work for the CIA. I have everyone's identities. You are in trouble.
    , @L.K
    Let's put it clearly: Corvinus IS A Zionist Hasbara Troll; there is plenty of evidence from his posts.
  39. Putin is a wimp!

    Putin is a coward!

    Putin and Lavrov are fellating the globalists: “our partners in the Weast”.

    End of argument.

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    • Replies: @Truth



    Putin and Lavrov are fellating the globalists:
     
    Literally, not metaphorically, so is The Donna.
  40. If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky? The warehouse is a propaganda story for Assad sympathisers to hand on to. I was a former Assad sympathiser as he seemed the fastest route to peace. But Aleppo apart, the Syrian government hasn’t delivered much progress in three years since Russian support arrived. They have not recovered much hostile countryside despite overwhelming air superiority.

    I am not a US citizen but I did buy the argument that Hilary was the war candidate and Trump an isolationist peace candidate and thus to be preferred. I think that he still is despite the removal of Bannon. This attack increases the value of every card in his hand. His unpredictability improves his hand even more. He has claws and he is not afraid to use them. He won’t be half hearted even over a Right To Protect. North Korea beware. China beware.

    Trump has shown he has teeth. Now he will use them to smile and talk. He can still be the peace candidate.

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    • Replies: @El Dato

    If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky?
     
    You know how bombardments work, right?
    , @Wally
    You have no proof Assad used chemical weapons in this attack. Basic stuff.

    In fact this blows away the phony Trump / neo-con claim of sarin gas.
    Bare hands and sarin equals a huge problem.
    You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack. See photo & more here:
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/

    , @bluedog
    Utter bullshit Trump is what he's always been one of the 1%,his great wall of Mexico and by God Mexico will pay for it because lets make a deal Trump says so, or its all the lefties liberals and all the rest, its their fault those damn judges anyway but wait all he would have to do issue an executive order stating anyone caught employing an illegal would be fined $25,000 for each offense ,but he won't because all his business buddies would be harmed no more cheap labor and now of course the attack on Syria, and the real Trump stands up and all those who voted for him are shocked that he's not what he was suppose to be but he is, you just voted for another Bush another Obama and you may as well admit it you were took outsmarted again...
  41. @Agent76
    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With USA

    https://youtu.be/L6hIlfHWaGU

    25.12. 2015 NATO: Seeking Russia’s Destruction Since 1949

    In 1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, U.S. president George H. W. Bush through his secretary of state James Baker promised Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev that in exchange for Soviet cooperation on German reunification, the Cold War era NATO alliance would not expand “one inch” eastwards towards Russia.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/12/25/nato-seeking-russia-destruction-since-1949.html

    While HW was President, NATO didn’t expand East.

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    • Replies: @Agent76
    Well, now they are now! Oct 27, 2016 The Debate – NATO Eastward Expansion

    NATO says it is going ahead with its plans to deploy thousands of troops and military hardware to three Baltic States and Poland that all border Russia. The military alliance claims that the measure is a response to a Russia’s military build-up and increased activity around NATO's borders. The Russian president, however, has denounced NATO’s expansion in Eastern Europe. President Putin has blamed the military alliance for global instability. NATO’s latest venture to encircle Russia & its repercussions, in this edition of the Debate.

    https://youtu.be/2icKhPE1svM?list=PLNB-69ClKQNW4ONtmnRdn0VKc4IIDliyO
  42. I think the last several paragraphs have a lot to do with why western governments have been so enamored with Muslim immigration since 9/11. It’s a nifty way to neutralize a lot of anti-American sentiment. In the old days, the Muslims were left to stew in their resentment while living under corrupt, violent, unjust American-backed regimes. They watched on tv as Israel was given a blank check to kill fellow Muslims. They couldn’t do anything about all that.

    But now things are different. The US has basically given them the “if you can’t beat us, join us” option. After we blow up their countries we let them move here and stroke their egos with nation of immigrants rhetoric. Sure their homeland is destroyed and they’ve been uprooted from their heritage, but what’s that compared to an H1-B visa? The result has been that Muslims spend far more time hating and killing each other than us. The Saudis, Turks, and gulf Arabs are on the same team as Israel. Hell, there are Arabs who are now celebrating America bombing one of their countries. This would’ve been unimaginable ten years ago.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39526653

    This helps explain the absurdity of the Deep State and its useful idiots going ballistic over the idea of not letting Muslims into this country but applauding bombing them in their own countries.

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    • Replies: @Lucius Somesuch

    Sure their homeland is destroyed and they’ve been uprooted from their heritage, but what’s that compared to an H1-B visa? The result has been that Muslims spend far more time hating and killing each other than us.
     
    They spend a not inconsiderable amount of time running our children over in the street too.

    The Saudis, Turks, and gulf Arabs are on the same team as Israel.
     
    Team Hate Whitey And Take His S**T For Free, yes.

    Helluva team
  43. Sorry for posting lots of videos, but I’m just trying to share and get the word out.

    Here’s a good quick one on the Syria airstrikes (talks about how Trump did NOT drain the swamp, as many of his advisors are coming from the banker-created CFR, how these airstrikes benefit ISIS and put Christians at risk):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXuV64hp4dk

    Good discussion in this one–one of the guests makes the point that the Syrian Army, in a sense, is fighting for all of us, in that they have been waging war against these terrorists for six years (unfortunately, the terrorists/ISIS is supported by the US, Gulf States, Turkey, Israel etc). Toward the end, they also expressed fear as to what would happen to Syria if they get rid of Assad–basically, it would become a terrorist-run state (as is now the case of Libya–see what the Moriartys have to say about that http://libyanwarthetruth.com/) Unfortunately, the idea of turning it into a terrorist ridden failed state is probably the actual goal. And, interesting, but not mentioned is the fact that ISIS on the border doesn’t appear to bother Israel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807). Maybe getting rid of Assad permanently means they get to keep Golan Heights and the oil there (http://journal-neo.org/2017/03/30/golan-heights-israel-oil-and-trump/)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSQtq02whNo

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    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    How easily we forget. Do you recall the desperate machinations of the Senator John McSwine Cain? As the anointed point man for the Deep State/New Internationalist Order and serial traitor, he shopped for an expert to reinforce his claim that there were "democratic" forces among the "Rebels", fighting Syria's Assad.

    Where did you receive such intelligence, evidence, and facts? Why, from a graduate student in Washington, DC.

    BEHOLD:

    >>Obama, McCain, and Kerry informed by 26-year-old at Georgetown
    September 6, 2013 by Jerome R. Corsi

    NEW YORK – Evidence is mounting that the strategy by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Secretary of State John F. Kerry to cast members of the Free Syria Army as “moderates” among the rebel forces opposing the government of Bashir al-Assad was the brain-child of Elizabeth O’Bagy, a 26-year-old graduate student pursuing a Ph.D. in Arab studies and political science at Georgetown University, who is working on a dissertation on woman’s militancy.<>In his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tuesday, Kerry cited O’Bagy, arguing that the war in Syria is “not being waged entirely or even predominately by dangerous Islamists and al-Qaida die-hards,” but rather the struggle is being led but “moderate opposition forces – a collection of groups known as the Free Syria Army.”<>The O’Bagy narrative, however, is contradicted by intelligence estimates and experts specializing in the region.

    After Kerry’s testimony to Congress this week, Reuters reported: “Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and non-governmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.”<<

    To my knowledge, there was no pushback in any media of any consequence.

    https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/obama-mccainand-kerry-relying-on-students-spin-on-syria/
    , @RobinG
    Thanks for "getting the word out" Amanda. Once people get the word, they need to put pressure on their Congress-creeps, let them know we're onto their charade.

    The next 2 weeks is a recess, the Reps. are in their home districts. They need to get an earful (like they heard about healthcare in the last recess). If they don't host Town Halls, they should be surrounded in their homes.

    You wrote, "Unfortunately, the idea of turning it into a terrorist ridden failed state is probably the actual goal." That is too true.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/07/is-us-policy-to-prolong-the-syrian-war/
    Is US Policy to Prolong the Syrian War?
    "The evidence is that the underlying U.S. policy — whether the president is Obama or Trump — is to prolong the Syrian war as much as possible. Let Assad off the hook when he’s cornered, hit him when he’s about to win."
  44. @Amanda
    Yes, Chomsky is a gate-keeper for his tribe. All about the Oded Yinon Plan
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Also, after reading Chomsky's books exposing the crimes of empire, he NEVER mentioned the role of the Federal Reserve System--that was the first thing that got me suspicious. But what sealed the deal for me, in terms of what side he's on, was his stance on 9/11 (total gatekeeper!!)

    Agreed. Like Sanders, Chomsky is just another fake Jewish leftist.

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  45. @Junior
    IMO, this is all nothing but Kabuki Theater between Trump, Putin, and Assad to neutralize the Deep State's attempt at a chemical false-flag to try to draw us into militarily seeking regime change in Syria.

    It's all just posturing for the balkanization of Syria and Iraq which is pretty much already a fait accompli. The Israeli's want Assad to be no part of the redrawn map and that's really the only thing that this false-flag chemical attack is about. Syria is beyond the point of being put back together and it's just a matter of where the new lines on the map are going to be drawn when they carve it up at some meeting in Switzerland that I'm sure they'll be having in the near future. If any regime change of Assad occurs it will be done at a negotiating table by the Russians of someone of their choice in return for some benefit to Russia.

    Trump's coordinated response with Putin and Assad of a firework show on an empty air-strip was the perfect response to keep the warmongers at bay. It was not an attempt at regime change by Trump. The real false-flag that we need to be worried about setting off WW3 is one that involves trying to cause regime change in Iran.

    If you need to pretend that 6-dimensional chess is now being played on an international level to keep your sanity, feel free.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    It may be more than 6D. Everyone who claims that this is "multi-D chess" is one of the Ds, which stands for Dummy.
    , @Junior
    If you need to pretend that geopolitics is a game of checkers to keep your sanity, feel free. ;)
  46. @Ram
    " The components for their production have been transported from the Syrian Arab Republic to the enterprises of the United States, Finland, Great Britain, and Germany where they have been destroyed.”

    Interesting. On top of the CIA's ability to hack into any computer system and leave the fingerprints of Russia, Iran, China etc. now it has the ability to undermine the Syrian State by using Syrian components in Chemical weapons used in Syria or elsewhere.

    Elementary logic, I think Aristotle already got that right:

    If there are no Syrian Chemical Weapons, it is a vapid truth that Syrian Components are being used in these Chemical Weapons.

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  47. @Philip Owen
    If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky? The warehouse is a propaganda story for Assad sympathisers to hand on to. I was a former Assad sympathiser as he seemed the fastest route to peace. But Aleppo apart, the Syrian government hasn't delivered much progress in three years since Russian support arrived. They have not recovered much hostile countryside despite overwhelming air superiority.

    I am not a US citizen but I did buy the argument that Hilary was the war candidate and Trump an isolationist peace candidate and thus to be preferred. I think that he still is despite the removal of Bannon. This attack increases the value of every card in his hand. His unpredictability improves his hand even more. He has claws and he is not afraid to use them. He won't be half hearted even over a Right To Protect. North Korea beware. China beware.

    Trump has shown he has teeth. Now he will use them to smile and talk. He can still be the peace candidate.

    If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky?

    You know how bombardments work, right?

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  48. @Junior
    IMO, this is all nothing but Kabuki Theater between Trump, Putin, and Assad to neutralize the Deep State's attempt at a chemical false-flag to try to draw us into militarily seeking regime change in Syria.

    It's all just posturing for the balkanization of Syria and Iraq which is pretty much already a fait accompli. The Israeli's want Assad to be no part of the redrawn map and that's really the only thing that this false-flag chemical attack is about. Syria is beyond the point of being put back together and it's just a matter of where the new lines on the map are going to be drawn when they carve it up at some meeting in Switzerland that I'm sure they'll be having in the near future. If any regime change of Assad occurs it will be done at a negotiating table by the Russians of someone of their choice in return for some benefit to Russia.

    Trump's coordinated response with Putin and Assad of a firework show on an empty air-strip was the perfect response to keep the warmongers at bay. It was not an attempt at regime change by Trump. The real false-flag that we need to be worried about setting off WW3 is one that involves trying to cause regime change in Iran.

    I hope you are right about this, but I am pessimistic.

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  49. @Thales the Milesian
    Putin is a wimp!

    Putin is a coward!

    Putin and Lavrov are fellating the globalists: "our partners in the Weast".

    End of argument.

    Putin and Lavrov are fellating the globalists:

    Literally, not metaphorically, so is The Donna.

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  50. @Wally
    IOW, you dodged my question because you can't back up your absurd claim.

    It WAS a false flag, you have no proof that it was a sarin gas attack by Assad / Syrian military as alleged.

    This blows away the phony Trump / neo-con claim of sarin gas.
    Bare hands and sarin equals a huge problem.
    You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack. See photo & more here:
    see here:
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/

    “I know you have problems with logic so I’m going to point out something that should be obvious. If nuclear holocaust had materialized, we wouldn’t be here talking about it. It only needs to happen once.”

    Russia has a history of deception to ensure their worldview is exported. I can’t help that you wont’ admit that fact.

    “You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack”

    The extent of poisoning caused by sarin depends on the amount of sarin to which a person was exposed, how the person was exposed, and the length of time of the exposure. Symptoms likely will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of sarin and within a few minutes to hours after exposure to the liquid form. It would appear that there was moderate exposure to a chemical that was potent but not lethal. Longer exposure can lead to headache, foaming mouths, cramps, nausea, vomiting, involuntary urination and defecation, tightness in the chest, convulsions, coma and asphyxiation through respiratory arrest.

    Your source says “It also raises the question why a “doctor” in a hospital full of victims of sarin gas has the time to tweet and make video calls.”

    If there are several doctors in a hospital working on patients, individual physicians are able to report on what is happening. There are no questions here.

    Your source says, “You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack.”

    Not all aid workers in Syria are properly equipped nor trained to handle sarin saturated bodies. It is other than surprising that they would not following protocol. Furthermore, is it for certain that the victims in that photograph from the source directly suffered from a gas attack, walked into the area and were stricken, were hit by shrapnel, or were near a munitions dump in the area and suffered wounds from that explosion?

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    Shouldn't be a big deal to conduct a proper investigation before going to war, no? Why would the Americans be opposed to such a thing?
    , @MEexpert
    You are full of it. You are totally confused. You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid. If you put US everywhere you used Russia or Putin your comments might make sense.
  51. @War for Blair Mountain
    I am not interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories...Chomsky's view on 9/11 is intellectually sound.

    9/11 TRUTHERS and JFK TRUTHERS are a cancer on intellectual discourse....

    So you’re not interested in the US government’s laughable & impossible 9/11 conspiracy theory?

    24 hard facts about 9/11 that cannot be debunked
    http://www.hangthebankers.com/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked/

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  52. @RobinG
    ".....your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses....."

    Or......Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort.

    “Or……Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort.”

    Yes, I work for the CIA. I have everyone’s identities. You are in trouble.

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  53. @Philip Owen
    If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky? The warehouse is a propaganda story for Assad sympathisers to hand on to. I was a former Assad sympathiser as he seemed the fastest route to peace. But Aleppo apart, the Syrian government hasn't delivered much progress in three years since Russian support arrived. They have not recovered much hostile countryside despite overwhelming air superiority.

    I am not a US citizen but I did buy the argument that Hilary was the war candidate and Trump an isolationist peace candidate and thus to be preferred. I think that he still is despite the removal of Bannon. This attack increases the value of every card in his hand. His unpredictability improves his hand even more. He has claws and he is not afraid to use them. He won't be half hearted even over a Right To Protect. North Korea beware. China beware.

    Trump has shown he has teeth. Now he will use them to smile and talk. He can still be the peace candidate.

    You have no proof Assad used chemical weapons in this attack. Basic stuff.

    In fact this blows away the phony Trump / neo-con claim of sarin gas.
    Bare hands and sarin equals a huge problem.
    You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack. See photo & more here:
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack/

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  54. @Jus' Sayin'...
    In the last months of the election campaign and in the period leading up to his inauguration Trump lucidly explained why US involvement in Syria was a bad idea, castigated Clinton for her promises of further US involvement, and promised that his administration would remove the USA from this quagmire. He did this many times. It is one of the main reasons I voted for him.

    Now Trump has ignored his own good arguments, reneged on campaign promises, and attacked Syria - and by proxy Russia - in an excessively belligerent way. This attack was launched in violation of the Constitution and international law. The justification was that Assad used poison gas but this has no empirical or logical foundation. The attack has further confused the situation in Syria, made that situation far more dangerous, and put the USA in the position of providing aid and comfort to ISIS.

    Mr. Whitney has suggested that "managed chaos" is a major US policy. Corvinus doubles down on this and suggests that it's also Russian policy. However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel's new allies, Saudi Arabia and all the other corrupt Arab Gulf state regimes. Israel is already taking advantage by making a grab for oil reserves off the coast of Lebanon and further shoring up its illegitimate occupation of the Golan Heights.

    In the USA, it is Israel's fifth column of soi disant neocons, more overt Zionist lobbyists and political donors (really unregistered agents of a foreign power), and an MSM and entertainment industry that is largely owned and controlled by Jewish Zionist sympathizers that ceaselessly works to involve the USA in foreign policies that favor Israel and are highly destructive of US interests and any prospects for world peace. I was appalled when the US Congress demonstrated how thoroughly most of its members are owned by Israel when the uninvited Netanyahu was given a standing ovation as he criticized President Obama's foreign policy. I thought that Trump might escape the coils of Israeli influence and rid our government of neocon parasites. Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war.

    I fantasize that when Israel finally gets the world war it wants, one of Russia's Satan-2 bombs will reduce that colonial excrescence to a heap of glowing nuclear slag. Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously.

    “However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel’s new allies…”

    Why, of course, it’s the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts.

    “Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war.”

    So if this be true, and you are sitting on your hands, then you are part of the problem. The time is now for direct action. Are you going to do something about it?

    “Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously.”

    Are you going to be the lead judge in this fantasy case?

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    • Troll: Stonehands
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    You're saying it's unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)? Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That's some good concern trolling there.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...

    "Why, of course, it’s the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts."
     
    I never used the phrase "the Jews" if you will notice. However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics. Books have been written on this. I can only give a scant description here. What I do describe is easily verified.

    At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio. Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel's belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran. As I noted in my earlier post, Congress treats the thug Netanyahu with more respect than our President.

    Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel's interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons. These chicken hawks are ubiquitous in appointed positions within American government and in various advisory roles. They have survived five administration changes starting with Reagan.

    The characteristics they share are an insane bellicosity, an open devotion to Israel, and a willingness to combine these two by fomenting disruptive wars that favor Israeli interests at the expense of the US. If you doubt this look at the roster of characters who've been praising Trump's recent attacks on Yemen and Syria and who've attempted to sabotage any US rapprochement with Iran. Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians. With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country's interests.

    Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc. The list of NPR programmers and announcers reads like some synagogue's Yom Kipur ticket list. A quick perusal of US news shows the immediate impact. Their is a gross disconnect between what the rest of the world reports on Israel's various violations of international norms and the clean bill of health Israel gets from the USA's domestic news media. Even the movies are not exempt. After carefully ignoring the Hodomor for over seventy-five tears, Hollywood is now putting out a movie to ratchet up anti-Russian sentiment. Israel is invariably glorified by Hollywood, a tradition that began with the movie Exodus back in the 1950s.

    America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively. Furthermore, Israel's overt and covert policies usually involve gross violations of international law. It is aided and abetted in this with US support. Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior. And, once again, I assert that it is through it's Zionist Jew fifth column in the USA that Israel effectively controls all aspects of US foreign policy that impinge on Israel in any way.

    As regards the USA and Russia, I would point out that for the past two decades or so, Russia has essentially responded only in the most minimalist way to US provocations. Consider: (1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US? (2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US? (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US? (4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?.
  55. I do not think there is need for any reminder for Putin to put nuclear tips on all available missiles.

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  56. @mp
    Went to bed the other night and Trump was president. Woke up, and George Bush was in the Oval Office. His wife was transformed into Hillary Clinton.

    No, you missed it.

    As we can now see, Hillary WAS elected that fateful night.

    ‘Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg

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  57. @Corvinus
    "I know you have problems with logic so I’m going to point out something that should be obvious. If nuclear holocaust had materialized, we wouldn’t be here talking about it. It only needs to happen once."

    Russia has a history of deception to ensure their worldview is exported. I can't help that you wont' admit that fact.

    "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack"

    The extent of poisoning caused by sarin depends on the amount of sarin to which a person was exposed, how the person was exposed, and the length of time of the exposure. Symptoms likely will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of sarin and within a few minutes to hours after exposure to the liquid form. It would appear that there was moderate exposure to a chemical that was potent but not lethal. Longer exposure can lead to headache, foaming mouths, cramps, nausea, vomiting, involuntary urination and defecation, tightness in the chest, convulsions, coma and asphyxiation through respiratory arrest.

    Your source says "It also raises the question why a “doctor” in a hospital full of victims of sarin gas has the time to tweet and make video calls."

    If there are several doctors in a hospital working on patients, individual physicians are able to report on what is happening. There are no questions here.

    Your source says, "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack."

    Not all aid workers in Syria are properly equipped nor trained to handle sarin saturated bodies. It is other than surprising that they would not following protocol. Furthermore, is it for certain that the victims in that photograph from the source directly suffered from a gas attack, walked into the area and were stricken, were hit by shrapnel, or were near a munitions dump in the area and suffered wounds from that explosion?

    Shouldn’t be a big deal to conduct a proper investigation before going to war, no? Why would the Americans be opposed to such a thing?

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Shouldn’t be a big deal to conduct a proper investigation before going to war, no? Why would the Americans be opposed to such a thing?"

    Ask Trump and his military advisors. Listen, World War III is a pipe dream. Not going to happen. And even if by some miracle there is nuclear war, GREAT. Then the reboot of the world begins. Then the Alt Right can rise from the ashes and create their utopia, should they emerge victorious in the aftermath. I'm sure you will do your part by contributing your life to the cause.

    Does not that prospect get you all warm and fuzzy inside?
  58. Ivanka Trump

    John Wayne Gacey

    Ted Bundy

    Jeffrey Dahlmer

    Hillary Clinton

    Trump Towers….built on a foundation of the rotting corpes of innocent children….the foundation of The Trump Family Trust Fund…

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  59. Corvinus is just a standard guy who likes to be on the correctthink railroad. It’s safe there. We have always been at war with Eastasia, after all.

    Simplest explanation for the gas release:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/trumps-59-tomahawk-tweet/

    –The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed [Syrian Air Force] target in Idlib. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and de-conflict on any upcoming operation (i.e. prevent U.S. and Russian air assets from shooting at each other).

    –The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believed was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.

    –The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke – chemical smoke – began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Jihadist rebels used that site to store chemicals (not sarin) that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind, and killed civilians.

    –There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.

    –We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you.

    Most far-out rumor today on the Interwebs I found (very unsubstantiated and the veteranstoday server is down):

    The Turkey-based White Helmets in Syria, have been documented by the Swedish Doctors for Human Rights, as actually killing children on video ‘snuff films’ whilst pretending to be medically aiding them “None of the children in the videos showed any sign of being a victim of a chemical attack … a purposeful killing staged to appear as medical treatment” Article on ‘Swedish Medical Association says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos” is on Veterans Today & linked on Aangirfan’s page above

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  60. @El Dato
    If you need to pretend that 6-dimensional chess is now being played on an international level to keep your sanity, feel free.

    It may be more than 6D. Everyone who claims that this is “multi-D chess” is one of the Ds, which stands for Dummy.

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  61. @Corvinus
    "Or……Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort."

    Yes, I work for the CIA. I have everyone's identities. You are in trouble.

    Nah, you are just full of shit.

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  62. @Corvinus
    "I know you have problems with logic so I’m going to point out something that should be obvious. If nuclear holocaust had materialized, we wouldn’t be here talking about it. It only needs to happen once."

    Russia has a history of deception to ensure their worldview is exported. I can't help that you wont' admit that fact.

    "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack"

    The extent of poisoning caused by sarin depends on the amount of sarin to which a person was exposed, how the person was exposed, and the length of time of the exposure. Symptoms likely will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of sarin and within a few minutes to hours after exposure to the liquid form. It would appear that there was moderate exposure to a chemical that was potent but not lethal. Longer exposure can lead to headache, foaming mouths, cramps, nausea, vomiting, involuntary urination and defecation, tightness in the chest, convulsions, coma and asphyxiation through respiratory arrest.

    Your source says "It also raises the question why a “doctor” in a hospital full of victims of sarin gas has the time to tweet and make video calls."

    If there are several doctors in a hospital working on patients, individual physicians are able to report on what is happening. There are no questions here.

    Your source says, "You cannot treat exposure to sarin with your bare hands without falling ill/dead yourself, as the White Helmets were apparently doing in the aftermath of the Idlib attack."

    Not all aid workers in Syria are properly equipped nor trained to handle sarin saturated bodies. It is other than surprising that they would not following protocol. Furthermore, is it for certain that the victims in that photograph from the source directly suffered from a gas attack, walked into the area and were stricken, were hit by shrapnel, or were near a munitions dump in the area and suffered wounds from that explosion?

    You are full of it. You are totally confused. You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid. If you put US everywhere you used Russia or Putin your comments might make sense.

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    "You are full of it. You are totally confused."

    I'm thinking clearly. The U.S. and Russia LOVE causing chaos. As white dominated nations, it's their nature to teeter on the brink of elimination, but lack the guts to actually pull the trigger. You know, it's the self-preservation mechanism in human beings.

    "You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid."

    And you've been quaffing Russian propaganda and anti-American Deep State orange julius.
    , @RobinG
    Not just drinking the Kool-Aid, Corvinus is pouring it.
  63. Sorry again for all the posts. Just trying to share what I find.

    This does NOT sound good. Early on in this one https://bambuser.com/v/6693008 Mike Rivero talked about how Russia has now suspended coordination w/US in Syria–not sure of the details, but I think the idea is that this increases chances of confrontation w/Russia.

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    • Replies: @Thales the Milesian
    There will be no confrontation with Russia.

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.
    , @El Dato
    https://www.rt.com/news/383837-russia-syria-flight-safety/

    That's right, it means the Russians are in a huff so won't pick up the phone if there is an American calling. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but I suspect there will be more "radar locking" events on US gear flying around, resulting in sweaty underwear.
  64. Putin hold a very strong card on Trump: The current investigation on Trump’s collusion with Russia in ensuring his election
    If that collusion is proven Trump will be impeached and the USA will get into a a very instable period.
    For the strike in Syria there are two possibilities
    1) Putin was accomplice with Trump and encouraged the strike to gives arguments to Trump that he can’t be obeying Putin since he is ‘humiliating’ him by attacking its ally. In this case Trump owes one to Putin, who helped him to create a diversion.
    2) Putin was not an accomplice and was humiliated by this attack. Therefore Putin will consider Trump as an enemy to fight and destroy. If Putin just leaks information ( fake or real) that CONFIRMS his collusion with Trump in the election process, the MSM and the Democrats will be more than happy to jump on it. Trump will be impeached and send to jail.
    I believe that Tillerson will hear that message when he will meet Putin next week. As a result we may see two things happening: A shift in the US policy in Syria that will force the Syrian opposition into negotiations with the Syrian government and an indirect consolidation of Bashar Al Assad’s power toward peace.
    Or a process whereby Russia will gradually leaks information that will ultimately lead to Trump’s impeachment
    Similarly to the deliberate shooting of the Russia plane that lead Turkey to be “controlled” by Putin, the strikes in Syria will sooner or later put Trump in the same position as Edogan vis a vis Russia.

    As Putin holds the blackmail card on Trump’ impeachment, Putin may have total control over Trump sooner than we think.

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    • Replies: @Afrohican
    My friend in all honesty, please stick to homegrown, this comment is beyond far fetched, it borders on drinking the Kool Aid and then entering a Mental Institution and telling them you are not crazy. Everyone not in the US knows that Trump is not a Russian agent or Putin's Allie. Question More and read more alternative news sources. CNN, Fox and the others you whose drivel you are spewing is known to be nothing but lies and more murderous criminal lies. The world does not revolve around USA just in case you didn't know. Its become apparently clear to The REAL world, catch up, wake up.
  65. @Corvinus
    "However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel’s new allies..."

    Why, of course, it's the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts.

    "Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war."

    So if this be true, and you are sitting on your hands, then you are part of the problem. The time is now for direct action. Are you going to do something about it?

    "Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously."

    Are you going to be the lead judge in this fantasy case?

    You’re saying it’s unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)? Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That’s some good concern trolling there.

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    "You’re saying it’s unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)?"

    I never made this claim, YOU did. Mighty good strawman. I can come back with "You're saying it's unacceptable to believe that Russia (as a demographically advantaged racialist state) is not the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that an ally of the United States is reduced to rubble by propped up strongmen hellbent on removing the scourge of Judaism)?

    "Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That’s some good concern trolling there."

    There is no such thing as being racist, or being sexist, or being anti-Semitic in our world. Those terms are merely self-serving memes. They lost their meaning years ago.
    , @in the middle
    Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism?

    RU stupid? the Syrians are Semites, so if we attacked them, then we are antisemitic! Once I did ask a red headed "jew', who were the Semites, so I should know who I was against, and he failed to know, or to tell me. So dumb and ignorant. Most people do not know who are the Semites, so ask next time that you are called anti-Semite.
    , @KA
    Israel has been trying to break all muslim countries around it for a longtime Other muslim countries are trying to survive and have joined that game lately .It is still primarily an Israeli game.
    Support to Kurdish forces began in 60s Support to Nigerian Biafra region began in 60s. Balkanization was on the mind of the leaders like Ben Gurion . Diviosn of Lebanon was on the annual report card of Dyan in 50s . Oded Yinon reiterated the balkanization of entire Arab world into smaller states. sSo did PNAC . So did Richard Perle through his French Canadian Israeli protege in DIA meeting at Pentagon . Israel occupies Golan No Arab country occupies Syria.
    Israel has been instrumental in orchestrating the division of Sudan . ( Israel also put Idi amin in power )
  66. @Eee
    @Corvinus

    On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments.

    Analyze everything that Moscow's done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I'm right -- your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians. Moreover, read Putin's speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language -- he's always in favour of stability, and he has criticized the West for attempting to destabilize the world through revolutions like what the Soviet Union used to do. Putin's default solution is doing nothing for as long as he can, and then taking the most minimal action he can, leaving things half-done if he can at all get away with it.

    Look at Ukraine -- Putin refused to support the Donbass referendum (the locals organized it anyway), allowed only enough unofficial support to flow to the rebels to satisfy domestic opinion (which was very strongly pro-Donbass) and prevent their total defeat, removed their most effective and ideologically "fanatical" military leader (Strelkov) and forced through peace treaties at the earliest opportunity, despite their deep unpopularity in Donbass.

    Look at Syria -- Russia has constantly been trying to bring the sides together and make fruitless peace treaties, even trying to bring Turkey (a former buyer of ISIS oil and Al-Qaeda supporter) alongside, organizing the Reconciliation Committee, etc.

    Now look at the US -- doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed. Bombing Thardeh Mountain (which was then taken over by ISIS) to sabotage the Assad-rebel ceasefire last autumn. In Ukraine, hostilities always seem to break out right after McCain visits the place. Same thing in Syria -- McCain visits it, and shortly after there's another false flag chemical attack, just two days before major peace talks were supposed to start in which Assad had an upper hand.

    The Western elites like to blame Russia for political instability in their own countries, claiming that it's responsible for Trump, for Le Pen, for Brexit. But first, even if true, this "political chaos" doesn't hold a candle to fomenting civil wars. Second, the real cause is public backlash to the West's own policies. And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    “On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments.”

    No. Russia’s violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity, nuclear saber rattling, and cyberspace warfare demonstrates that nation’s ambition to erode the principled international order…similar to America’s machinations.

    “Analyze everything that Moscow’s done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I’m right — your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians.”

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You’ve been thoroughly duped.

    “Moreover, read Putin’s speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language — he’s always in favour of stability…”

    No.

    http://kosovotwopointzero.com/en/global-instability-strengthens-russian-influence-balkans/

    “However, this event would not have made the headlines without the accusations of involvement of a great power. According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?”

    “Look at Ukraine, Syria”

    Putin is looking out for his own interests at the expense of everyone else. He is other than a humanitarian.

    “Now look at the US — doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed.”

    In response to Russian ruses and maneuvering.

    “And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria.”

    Led by diabolical strongmen who torture political dissidents and engage in cronyism to financially benefit them at the expense of their people. Of course, the U.S. and Russian use every trick in the book to ensure that these nations are on their side. Again, both nations create chaotic conditions to benefit themselves. Facts.

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    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You’ve been thoroughly duped.
     
    So says the guy who (or whose handlers?) plagiarizes his comments from Ash Carter's speeches:

    "violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity" "nuclear saber rattling" "ambition to erode the principled international order"

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ash-carter-clear-ambition-by-russia-to-erode-2016sep07-story.html

    Get lost, fella.

    , @Vladimir

    According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?”
     
    According to official statements by corrupt crime lords (Montenegrin government), there was a Russian plot so that the pro western opposition could take power from pro western government. There is no investigation because nothing happened, and anybody who is not a complete idiot has no doubt that there has been no Russian involvement. Russian influence is very strong : entire fucking Balkans is in the NATO, except currently western-enthralled Serbia. That's how stupid that theory is.
  67. Ugh…

    Syria: New U.S. Airstrike Support “Request Scheme” For Al-Qaeda
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-new-u-s-airstrike-support-request-scheme-for-al-qaeda/5583957

    Trump is the third U.S. president in a row who promised less belligerence during his campaign only to deliver more after the election. The “democratic” veil of the U.S. oligarchic rule thus rips further apart.

    Open U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria will now cease. U.S. planes in Syrian airspace are from now on constantly under imminent danger. There will also be some larger revenge against the U.S. for last night’s strikes. Likely not in Syria but in Iraq, Afghanistan or at sea. A “message” will be send. The U.S. reaction to that “message” will be a decision over a much larger war.

    —-
    Also, the “request scheme” mentioned above was also mentioned in the Crosstalk “Trump’s War” I linked to above. There is was also mentioned that AlQaeda/ISIS “requests” support for from Israel by lobbing missiles (or something like that-forget exact word used) into Israel and then that gives the pretext/cover for Israel to say, “we have to go drop bombs on Syria b/c they can’t control what’s going on in their borders.”

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  68. @RobinG
    ".....your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses....."

    Or......Corvinus is a Deep State or hasbara Troll of some sort.

    Let’s put it clearly: Corvinus IS A Zionist Hasbara Troll; there is plenty of evidence from his posts.

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  69. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Shouldn't be a big deal to conduct a proper investigation before going to war, no? Why would the Americans be opposed to such a thing?

    “Shouldn’t be a big deal to conduct a proper investigation before going to war, no? Why would the Americans be opposed to such a thing?”

    Ask Trump and his military advisors. Listen, World War III is a pipe dream. Not going to happen. And even if by some miracle there is nuclear war, GREAT. Then the reboot of the world begins. Then the Alt Right can rise from the ashes and create their utopia, should they emerge victorious in the aftermath. I’m sure you will do your part by contributing your life to the cause.

    Does not that prospect get you all warm and fuzzy inside?

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  70. @MEexpert
    You are full of it. You are totally confused. You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid. If you put US everywhere you used Russia or Putin your comments might make sense.

    “You are full of it. You are totally confused.”

    I’m thinking clearly. The U.S. and Russia LOVE causing chaos. As white dominated nations, it’s their nature to teeter on the brink of elimination, but lack the guts to actually pull the trigger. You know, it’s the self-preservation mechanism in human beings.

    “You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid.”

    And you’ve been quaffing Russian propaganda and anti-American Deep State orange julius.

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    You really do not get it. While USA location allows her to create chaos elsewhere without much consequences so far, Russia has no this luxury. Russian history is all about creating order out of chaos and trying to make things as much calm and predictable as possible both in the country and her immediate vicinity. Get yourself world map, have a look and try to think clearly. Learning Russia history would as Trump says tremendously improve your insight.
  71. Interesting CrossTalk show, though, as usual, they avoid the elephant in the room re the key movers and shakers in this long, cowardly war against Syria; the Zionist criminals.
    CrossTalk: Trump’s War
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSQtq02whNo

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  72. Yeah, Prof Chomsky on that DN show, it seems like old-age dementia’s finally got him. Sad.

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  73. @Beefcake the Mighty
    You're saying it's unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)? Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That's some good concern trolling there.

    “You’re saying it’s unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)?”

    I never made this claim, YOU did. Mighty good strawman. I can come back with “You’re saying it’s unacceptable to believe that Russia (as a demographically advantaged racialist state) is not the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that an ally of the United States is reduced to rubble by propped up strongmen hellbent on removing the scourge of Judaism)?

    “Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That’s some good concern trolling there.”

    There is no such thing as being racist, or being sexist, or being anti-Semitic in our world. Those terms are merely self-serving memes. They lost their meaning years ago.

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  74. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY

    Wilkerson gives it up for the Barrel bombs again. How is an improvised explosive as inefficient as a fifty gallon barrel filled with what…? Amphofuel and a detonator? dropped how? pushed off a helicopter side port. How would that be a tool?

    Surmise:Barrel bomb is a talking point that makes points, so that pundits can insert other issues, with out too much negative over view from the censors. Maybe it is figured if you put in a couple of known code words that are specific propaganda originated, that the geniuses that scan it, will simply stop examining the transcript and go to the next.

    Could somebody who knows, explain the significance of the so called Barrel Bomb.

    Wilkerson is good.

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  75. @Amanda
    Sorry for posting lots of videos, but I'm just trying to share and get the word out.

    Here's a good quick one on the Syria airstrikes (talks about how Trump did NOT drain the swamp, as many of his advisors are coming from the banker-created CFR, how these airstrikes benefit ISIS and put Christians at risk):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXuV64hp4dk


    Good discussion in this one--one of the guests makes the point that the Syrian Army, in a sense, is fighting for all of us, in that they have been waging war against these terrorists for six years (unfortunately, the terrorists/ISIS is supported by the US, Gulf States, Turkey, Israel etc). Toward the end, they also expressed fear as to what would happen to Syria if they get rid of Assad--basically, it would become a terrorist-run state (as is now the case of Libya--see what the Moriartys have to say about that http://libyanwarthetruth.com/) Unfortunately, the idea of turning it into a terrorist ridden failed state is probably the actual goal. And, interesting, but not mentioned is the fact that ISIS on the border doesn't appear to bother Israel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807). Maybe getting rid of Assad permanently means they get to keep Golan Heights and the oil there (http://journal-neo.org/2017/03/30/golan-heights-israel-oil-and-trump/)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSQtq02whNo

    How easily we forget. Do you recall the desperate machinations of the Senator John McSwine Cain? As the anointed point man for the Deep State/New Internationalist Order and serial traitor, he shopped for an expert to reinforce his claim that there were “democratic” forces among the “Rebels”, fighting Syria’s Assad.

    Where did you receive such intelligence, evidence, and facts? Why, from a graduate student in Washington, DC.

    BEHOLD:

    >>Obama, McCain, and Kerry informed by 26-year-old at Georgetown
    September 6, 2013 by Jerome R. Corsi

    NEW YORK – Evidence is mounting that the strategy by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Secretary of State John F. Kerry to cast members of the Free Syria Army as “moderates” among the rebel forces opposing the government of Bashir al-Assad was the brain-child of Elizabeth O’Bagy, a 26-year-old graduate student pursuing a Ph.D. in Arab studies and political science at Georgetown University, who is working on a dissertation on woman’s militancy.<>In his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tuesday, Kerry cited O’Bagy, arguing that the war in Syria is “not being waged entirely or even predominately by dangerous Islamists and al-Qaida die-hards,” but rather the struggle is being led but “moderate opposition forces – a collection of groups known as the Free Syria Army.”<>The O’Bagy narrative, however, is contradicted by intelligence estimates and experts specializing in the region.

    After Kerry’s testimony to Congress this week, Reuters reported: “Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and non-governmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.”<<

    To my knowledge, there was no pushback in any media of any consequence.

    https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/obama-mccainand-kerry-relying-on-students-spin-on-syria/

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    September 6, 2013 by Jerome R. Corsi

    “Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and non-governmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.”
     

    Oh, this.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/watched-manage-leaked/

    Last fall Secretary of State Kerry met privately with anti-Assad Syrian activists at the U.N. The meeting was secretly taped, and you can listen to the tape here:

    https://youtu.be/e4phB-_pXDM

    “The reason Russia came in is because ISIL was getting stronger, Daesh was threatening the possibility of going to Damascus and so forth. And that’s why Russia went in. Because they didn’t want a Daesh government and they supported Assad.

    “And we know that this was growing. We were watching. We saw that Daesh was growing in strength, and we thought Assad was threatened. We thought, however, we could probably manage, that Assad would then negotiate. Instead of negotiating, he got Putin to support him.”

    The Syrian activists present wanted more US aid, but Kerry and an aide said more military aid was problematic. “Right now we’re putting an extraordinary amount of arms in,” the secretary of state said. His aide said that arms are a double edged sword, because “when you pump more weapons into a place like Syria, it doesn’t end well for Syria. Because there’s always someone willing to put in arms from the other side.”

    “The problem is that, you know, you get, quote, enforcers in there and then everybody ups the ante, right? Russia puts in more, Iran puts in more; Hezbollah is there more and Nusra is more; and Saudi Arabia and Turkey put all their surrogate money in, and you all are destroyed.”
     

    Apposite: "We got used to power like you get used to raw meat" (I think that a citation is at the beginning of Enki Bilal's "The Hunting Party")
  76. @Corvinus
    "On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments."

    No. Russia’s violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity, nuclear saber rattling, and cyberspace warfare demonstrates that nation's ambition to erode the principled international order...similar to America's machinations.

    "Analyze everything that Moscow’s done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I’m right — your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians."

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You've been thoroughly duped.

    "Moreover, read Putin’s speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language — he’s always in favour of stability..."

    No.

    http://kosovotwopointzero.com/en/global-instability-strengthens-russian-influence-balkans/

    "However, this event would not have made the headlines without the accusations of involvement of a great power. According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?"

    "Look at Ukraine, Syria"

    Putin is looking out for his own interests at the expense of everyone else. He is other than a humanitarian.

    "Now look at the US — doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed."

    In response to Russian ruses and maneuvering.

    "And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria."

    Led by diabolical strongmen who torture political dissidents and engage in cronyism to financially benefit them at the expense of their people. Of course, the U.S. and Russian use every trick in the book to ensure that these nations are on their side. Again, both nations create chaotic conditions to benefit themselves. Facts.

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You’ve been thoroughly duped.

    So says the guy who (or whose handlers?) plagiarizes his comments from Ash Carter’s speeches:

    “violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity” “nuclear saber rattling” “ambition to erode the principled international order”

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ash-carter-clear-ambition-by-russia-to-erode-2016sep07-story.html

    Get lost, fella.

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    An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war. (Admittedly they also held the Russian response to be disproportionate, but whatever, that's not the point.). Corvinus' talk about violations of Georgian sovereignty tip his hand.
  77. Lots of excellent information on Syria can be found at this 21stcenturywire site. Also interesting that this took place a couple of days prior to peace talks (I’ve seen this pattern so often over the years–the Deep State/Oligarchy that rules over us is all about perpetual war for Empire; I noticed this especially w/the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq–whenever there was talk of getting out, some sort of convenient bombing killing masses would occur)

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/04/syria-another-chemical-weapon-false-flag-on-the-eve-of-peace-talks-in-brussels/

    Also, there’s lots there on White Helmets–basically a Western Elite backed war propaganda outfit affiliated w/ISIS (so, yes, Hollywood just gave AlQaeda/ISIS an Oscar). I won’t link to it, but there’s a good RT Crosstalk show on White Helmets that gives you all the info you need to know.

    I think one of the commenters above touched in this:
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/03/07/white-helmets-swedish-doctors-denounce-medical-malpractice-and-misuse-of-children-for-propaganda-purposes/

    Tapestry of Terror – White Helmets Exposed As FSA Terrorists Linked With ISIS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ivyaEm7Oo

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  78. @Amanda
    Sorry again for all the posts. Just trying to share what I find.

    This does NOT sound good. Early on in this one https://bambuser.com/v/6693008 Mike Rivero talked about how Russia has now suspended coordination w/US in Syria--not sure of the details, but I think the idea is that this increases chances of confrontation w/Russia.

    There will be no confrontation with Russia.

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.

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    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.
     
    You seem to have a psychological deficieny.

    Protip: It is not "Putin vs the US" like in some dumb low-IQ popcorn movie.
    , @Stonehands
    Good prose, shades of Jack London!
  79. @Amanda
    Sorry again for all the posts. Just trying to share what I find.

    This does NOT sound good. Early on in this one https://bambuser.com/v/6693008 Mike Rivero talked about how Russia has now suspended coordination w/US in Syria--not sure of the details, but I think the idea is that this increases chances of confrontation w/Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/news/383837-russia-syria-flight-safety/

    That’s right, it means the Russians are in a huff so won’t pick up the phone if there is an American calling. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but I suspect there will be more “radar locking” events on US gear flying around, resulting in sweaty underwear.

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  80. @Amanda
    Sorry for posting lots of videos, but I'm just trying to share and get the word out.

    Here's a good quick one on the Syria airstrikes (talks about how Trump did NOT drain the swamp, as many of his advisors are coming from the banker-created CFR, how these airstrikes benefit ISIS and put Christians at risk):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXuV64hp4dk


    Good discussion in this one--one of the guests makes the point that the Syrian Army, in a sense, is fighting for all of us, in that they have been waging war against these terrorists for six years (unfortunately, the terrorists/ISIS is supported by the US, Gulf States, Turkey, Israel etc). Toward the end, they also expressed fear as to what would happen to Syria if they get rid of Assad--basically, it would become a terrorist-run state (as is now the case of Libya--see what the Moriartys have to say about that http://libyanwarthetruth.com/) Unfortunately, the idea of turning it into a terrorist ridden failed state is probably the actual goal. And, interesting, but not mentioned is the fact that ISIS on the border doesn't appear to bother Israel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807). Maybe getting rid of Assad permanently means they get to keep Golan Heights and the oil there (http://journal-neo.org/2017/03/30/golan-heights-israel-oil-and-trump/)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSQtq02whNo

    Thanks for “getting the word out” Amanda. Once people get the word, they need to put pressure on their Congress-creeps, let them know we’re onto their charade.

    The next 2 weeks is a recess, the Reps. are in their home districts. They need to get an earful (like they heard about healthcare in the last recess). If they don’t host Town Halls, they should be surrounded in their homes.

    You wrote, “Unfortunately, the idea of turning it into a terrorist ridden failed state is probably the actual goal.” That is too true.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/07/is-us-policy-to-prolong-the-syrian-war/
    Is US Policy to Prolong the Syrian War?
    “The evidence is that the underlying U.S. policy — whether the president is Obama or Trump — is to prolong the Syrian war as much as possible. Let Assad off the hook when he’s cornered, hit him when he’s about to win.”

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  81. @Poupon Marx
    How easily we forget. Do you recall the desperate machinations of the Senator John McSwine Cain? As the anointed point man for the Deep State/New Internationalist Order and serial traitor, he shopped for an expert to reinforce his claim that there were "democratic" forces among the "Rebels", fighting Syria's Assad.

    Where did you receive such intelligence, evidence, and facts? Why, from a graduate student in Washington, DC.

    BEHOLD:

    >>Obama, McCain, and Kerry informed by 26-year-old at Georgetown
    September 6, 2013 by Jerome R. Corsi

    NEW YORK – Evidence is mounting that the strategy by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Secretary of State John F. Kerry to cast members of the Free Syria Army as “moderates” among the rebel forces opposing the government of Bashir al-Assad was the brain-child of Elizabeth O’Bagy, a 26-year-old graduate student pursuing a Ph.D. in Arab studies and political science at Georgetown University, who is working on a dissertation on woman’s militancy.<>In his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tuesday, Kerry cited O’Bagy, arguing that the war in Syria is “not being waged entirely or even predominately by dangerous Islamists and al-Qaida die-hards,” but rather the struggle is being led but “moderate opposition forces – a collection of groups known as the Free Syria Army.”<>The O’Bagy narrative, however, is contradicted by intelligence estimates and experts specializing in the region.

    After Kerry’s testimony to Congress this week, Reuters reported: “Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and non-governmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.”<<

    To my knowledge, there was no pushback in any media of any consequence.

    https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/obama-mccainand-kerry-relying-on-students-spin-on-syria/

    September 6, 2013 by Jerome R. Corsi

    “Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and non-governmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.”

    Oh, this.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/watched-manage-leaked/

    Last fall Secretary of State Kerry met privately with anti-Assad Syrian activists at the U.N. The meeting was secretly taped, and you can listen to the tape here:

    https://youtu.be/e4phB-_pXDM

    “The reason Russia came in is because ISIL was getting stronger, Daesh was threatening the possibility of going to Damascus and so forth. And that’s why Russia went in. Because they didn’t want a Daesh government and they supported Assad.

    “And we know that this was growing. We were watching. We saw that Daesh was growing in strength, and we thought Assad was threatened. We thought, however, we could probably manage, that Assad would then negotiate. Instead of negotiating, he got Putin to support him.”

    The Syrian activists present wanted more US aid, but Kerry and an aide said more military aid was problematic. “Right now we’re putting an extraordinary amount of arms in,” the secretary of state said. His aide said that arms are a double edged sword, because “when you pump more weapons into a place like Syria, it doesn’t end well for Syria. Because there’s always someone willing to put in arms from the other side.”

    “The problem is that, you know, you get, quote, enforcers in there and then everybody ups the ante, right? Russia puts in more, Iran puts in more; Hezbollah is there more and Nusra is more; and Saudi Arabia and Turkey put all their surrogate money in, and you all are destroyed.”

    Apposite: “We got used to power like you get used to raw meat” (I think that a citation is at the beginning of Enki Bilal’s “The Hunting Party”)

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  82. @MEexpert
    You are full of it. You are totally confused. You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid. If you put US everywhere you used Russia or Putin your comments might make sense.

    Not just drinking the Kool-Aid, Corvinus is pouring it.

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  83. https://www.rt.com/usa/384066-trump-in-letter-to-congress-on-syria/

    Trump in letter to Congress: US to take additional action in Syria to further its national interests

    Is it time to impeach yet?

    “Pool’s closed due to even more stupidity than usual”

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  84. @Thales the Milesian
    There will be no confrontation with Russia.

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.

    You seem to have a psychological deficieny.

    Protip: It is not “Putin vs the US” like in some dumb low-IQ popcorn movie.

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  85. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You’ve been thoroughly duped.
     
    So says the guy who (or whose handlers?) plagiarizes his comments from Ash Carter's speeches:

    "violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity" "nuclear saber rattling" "ambition to erode the principled international order"

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ash-carter-clear-ambition-by-russia-to-erode-2016sep07-story.html

    Get lost, fella.

    An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war. (Admittedly they also held the Russian response to be disproportionate, but whatever, that’s not the point.). Corvinus’ talk about violations of Georgian sovereignty tip his hand.

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    Corvinus is a bot. Real people don't copy/paste bits from US secretary of 'defense' speeches to pass them as their own 'thoughts'.
    , @Corvinus
    "An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war."

    There's more to the investigation here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html
  86. Hapless Boris cancels visit to Moscow:

    https://www.rt.com/uk/384030-johnson-cancelled-visit-moscow-syria/

    British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has cancelled his planned trip to Moscow hours before he was supposed to depart, citing the recent events in Syria. The Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman described the cancellation as “absurd.”

    “Developments in Syria have changed the situation fundamentally,” Johnson said in a statement.

    I have the weird feeling things will heat up considerably soon. The carriers are all at home though: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm

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  87. @El Dato

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.
     
    You seem to have a psychological deficieny.

    Protip: It is not "Putin vs the US" like in some dumb low-IQ popcorn movie.

    I know!

    You are the only sane person here.

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  88. @Beefcake the Mighty
    An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war. (Admittedly they also held the Russian response to be disproportionate, but whatever, that's not the point.). Corvinus' talk about violations of Georgian sovereignty tip his hand.

    Corvinus is a bot. Real people don’t copy/paste bits from US secretary of ‘defense’ speeches to pass them as their own ‘thoughts’.

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    "Real people don’t copy/paste bits from US secretary of ‘defense’ speeches to pass them as their own ‘thoughts’."

    Yes, I am a CIA bot. You are now on the list. And thanks for listing the source that I should have referenced.
  89. @Philip Owen
    While HW was President, NATO didn't expand East.

    Well, now they are now! Oct 27, 2016 The Debate – NATO Eastward Expansion

    NATO says it is going ahead with its plans to deploy thousands of troops and military hardware to three Baltic States and Poland that all border Russia. The military alliance claims that the measure is a response to a Russia’s military build-up and increased activity around NATO’s borders. The Russian president, however, has denounced NATO’s expansion in Eastern Europe. President Putin has blamed the military alliance for global instability. NATO’s latest venture to encircle Russia & its repercussions, in this edition of the Debate.

    https://youtu.be/2icKhPE1svM?list=PLNB-69ClKQNW4ONtmnRdn0VKc4IIDliyO

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  90. Alas Babylon, 1959 by Pat Frank. A classic which is very apropos today.
    But I think Trump and especially Putin have clearer heads and they will prevail and start a Pax Russo-Americana. I can dream can’t I? (Grin)

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  91. @Corvinus
    "However, the main beneficiaries of the chaos the USA has sown throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia are neither the USA nor Russia. The real beneficiaries are Israel and Israel’s new allies..."

    Why, of course, it's the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts.

    "Now I realize that Israel totally owns us. There is no escape short of a civil war."

    So if this be true, and you are sitting on your hands, then you are part of the problem. The time is now for direct action. Are you going to do something about it?

    "Then, after appropriate war crimes trials in the USA, the neocon and Zionist traitors and their families who were responsible can be exiled to the place whose interests they served so assiduously."

    Are you going to be the lead judge in this fantasy case?

    “Why, of course, it’s the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts.”

    I never used the phrase “the Jews” if you will notice. However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics. Books have been written on this. I can only give a scant description here. What I do describe is easily verified.

    At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio. Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran. As I noted in my earlier post, Congress treats the thug Netanyahu with more respect than our President.

    Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons. These chicken hawks are ubiquitous in appointed positions within American government and in various advisory roles. They have survived five administration changes starting with Reagan.

    The characteristics they share are an insane bellicosity, an open devotion to Israel, and a willingness to combine these two by fomenting disruptive wars that favor Israeli interests at the expense of the US. If you doubt this look at the roster of characters who’ve been praising Trump’s recent attacks on Yemen and Syria and who’ve attempted to sabotage any US rapprochement with Iran. Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians. With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests.

    Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc. The list of NPR programmers and announcers reads like some synagogue’s Yom Kipur ticket list. A quick perusal of US news shows the immediate impact. Their is a gross disconnect between what the rest of the world reports on Israel’s various violations of international norms and the clean bill of health Israel gets from the USA’s domestic news media. Even the movies are not exempt. After carefully ignoring the Hodomor for over seventy-five tears, Hollywood is now putting out a movie to ratchet up anti-Russian sentiment. Israel is invariably glorified by Hollywood, a tradition that began with the movie Exodus back in the 1950s.

    America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively. Furthermore, Israel’s overt and covert policies usually involve gross violations of international law. It is aided and abetted in this with US support. Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior. And, once again, I assert that it is through it’s Zionist Jew fifth column in the USA that Israel effectively controls all aspects of US foreign policy that impinge on Israel in any way.

    As regards the USA and Russia, I would point out that for the past two decades or so, Russia has essentially responded only in the most minimalist way to US provocations. Consider: (1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US? (2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US? (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US? (4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?.

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    "However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics."

    Yes, I am fully aware of the Jewish menace, I mean presence. And so what if they are heavily invested in our political and cultural systems? No different than powerful whites or other minorities, or the Alt Right, who all seek to influence our society in a particular direction.

    "At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio."

    So, what are YOU prepared to do about this dire situation? Does not this elitist threat command direct action on YOUR part?

    "Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran."

    It's called negotiations, the same tactics used by Trump to get what he wants. And isn't one of Trump's daughters married to a Jew? How dare she try to consolidate the family's wealth and power!

    "Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons."

    In the same manner that Trump and his business cronies, and the other "corporatists" in our country operate--they haggle and finagle. There is no observable difference here.

    "Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians."

    Now, I do agree with you that Palestinians have been significantly mistreated by Israel and deserve their own homeland. But are not Palestinians "dirty Muslims who are terrorists"? Why should we help them gain their own state?

    "With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests."

    That's a generalization on your part.

    "Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc."

    The horror! No different than if there was another group of people in charge. You act as if Jews are unilaterally destroying our nation. That is yet another generalization.

    "America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively."

    Yes, yes, yes, the Jewish boogeyman. Boo!

    "Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior."

    Please define this concept of "more civilized behavior" for the viewing audience.

    "(1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US?"

    "(2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US?"

    (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US?

    It's called protecting our national security interests.

    "(4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?""

    Historically, both nations.
  92. @Parbes
    "I remember that back in the ’80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.....I sure would like to know the answer(s)!"

    I think I can give you the answer to that: The chickenhawks prevailed - and continue to prevail - because they were - and are - allowed to scheme, collude, conspire and commit crimes at will, unhampered and without paying any PERSONAL price. Despite all their scheming, power grabs and the criminal disasters they caused, they (and their minions) never suffered THEMSELVES - personally or as a group.

    "Fine articles", "well-reasoned, sensible arguments", "polite, restrained criticism of failures", "mild shaming", and "playing by the rules" (while power-and-greed-driven criminal cabals collectively skirt all the rules) are NOT ENOUGH. Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.

    Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.

    While true enough, in practice it rarely happens. How do “we” go about making sure they get what they deserve? Then, how do “we” ensure that they aren’t replaced (as usual) by something even worse?

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    "How do we go about making sure they get what they deserve?"

    That's the crux of the matter, without which nothing will be solved, or really change. Your opinion on that is as good as anyone else's.

    "Then, how do we ensure that they aren’t replaced (as usual) by something even worse?"

    That is erroneous reasoning. You take down the evil that is in front of you, that you KNOW to be evil, first. You don't go second-guessing or trying to figure out/calculate "what might replace it", because you simply don't know/can't tell that - and meanwhile the known evil continues to do harm. (Except, of course, in cases where there is a very strong and clear indication of a definitely worse evil directly replacing the one you remove). We already know that the neocons are filth of the worst sort, responsible for innumerable crimes and dragging the world toward massive destruction. What evil that is worse would immediately replace them if they were taken out/brought to account?
  93. “Managed chaos”. Brilliant. That’s Washington’s foreign policy in a nutshell.

    He defined that as believing “that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” Rove then asserted that this was no longer the way in which the world worked:

    We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” (Ron Suskind, NYTimes Magazine, Oct. 17, 2004).

    The neocon Jew manifesto is in play – PNAC.

    Divide et Impera – break up Syria.

    Only working for Peace – will bar fruit!

    Peace — Art

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  94. @NoseytheDuke
    The American people have a choice to make. They can protest, flood the streets, using cars and trucks etc to block intersections and halt commerce to create their own controlled chaos to send a message to Trump to stop all overseas aggression and stick to the main themes that got him elected, like arresting the Clintons, the Neo-cons and all those who've been involved in criminal conduct (including the financial shenanigans of Wall St) OR they can wait for the uncontrolled chaos in the form of blowback to really hit and then be used as the trigger to impose the long desired police state and the end of America as we knew it.

    Hear hear.

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  95. @El Dato
    If you need to pretend that 6-dimensional chess is now being played on an international level to keep your sanity, feel free.

    If you need to pretend that geopolitics is a game of checkers to keep your sanity, feel free. ;)

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  96. @alexander
    This is a fine article, Mr Whitney.

    Thank you for it.


    It really makes no sense for the Syrian regime to engage in using chemical weapons unless they are itching for the US military to enter the fray and tip the balance in the conflict in favor of ISIS..

    One cannot imagine why now , or in 2013 , Assad would be so stupid ?

    You suggest he might be that stupid...Okay.

    He might be .

    But if you are on the verge of victory, and about to reclaim your country from the assorted Jihadists who are fragmenting it ...why would you do the ONE THING that might incur the wrath of the US ? .... If you know its a "red line"...and you are steps from victory ....wouldn't it be the last thing on your mind ?

    It is a 99% probability that this was NOT a chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime.

    So what happens now ?

    Will our Presidents rush to judgement, and his extra-legal response, prove to be egg on his face ?

    What happens to the legitimacy of an "authentic" investigation going forward.....now that we have struck in reckless certainty of culpability ?

    Can President Trump truly afford to find out he muffed this one ?

    Could you, if you were he ?

    It seems , given all the fabricated pretexts which have been foisted on Americans over the past 15 years , the likelihood this is just one more...is very, very strong.

    Why wouldn't it be ?

    Our "elites" have informed us, early on, they are an "empire" now...and they are so "powerful" they can create their OWN reality ...regardless of the facts in the matter.

    We know this is their M.O.

    The question is...... are they willing to OWN the reality they have created ?

    Are they ?

    If so, then please cut the American taxpayer a check for 14.3 trillion dollars...right away.

    Why should the American taxpayer be on the hook for the TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR PHONY REALITY they created ?

    Shouldn't THEY pay for it .....

    .....The WHOLE way ?

    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama’s Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that “Assad is a brutal dictator”. These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya – a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician – though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.

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    These intelligent people
     
    You just made a superb case for those people being not really intelligent.
    , @RobinG
    "These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq..."

    Then why not remind them! A picture is worth thousands of parliamentary reports.
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/04/07/remember-2003-bolivian-un-ambassador-blasts-us-another-illegal-attack
    Remember 2003? Bolivian UN Ambassador Blasts US for Another Illegal Attack
    , @Poupon Marx
    I'm a simple guy who notices details and incongruities. Back in the 1960's, American hippies were glomming on Marrakesh, for the hashish, cheap living. Westerners used to be able to go to all North African countries for cheap vacations, nice food, and shopping. Same with Egypt, Lebanon, SYRIA, and Iran.

    All this changed when traditionalism and nativism were disrupted. One, by Jews, in their expansion and displacement of the native Arab populations. Two, by the American CIA and its addiction to "regime change", for supposed "Human Rights", actually disguised as fronting for American Corporate Interests, and domination. No wonder the World hates us.

    Obviously, the dictators that ruled these ME countries produced stability, enough to where there was economic progress and openness to tourists, trade, etc.

    The Bolsheviks, mainly Jews, snuffed the Romanovs of Russia. We snuffed Ngo Dihn Diem, the Royal Family of Vietnam. We deposed the Shah of Iran and installed Ayatollah Khomeini. The list goes on and on. Almost never is there a gain or advance by getting rid of their bad guy and installing ours.

    Dictatorship is the only political/government option available in 90% of the world. By the standards of the ME, he was quite good. Syria was modernizing, welcoming foreign investment, and had ENFORCED PEACE and detente among its VARIOUS religious groups. Christians were quite safe and not discriminated against. Any Muslim that molested Christians was punished severely.

    But Syria, like Poland of the past, has land and resources that Israel and Turkey want to make their own.
    , @alexander
    Unseated.

    I have no idea how old you are...but when I was fourteen..which was nearly forty years ago...I remember we had these BIG, THICK American history books...which told the tale of our nations history.


    I remember too, over a decade ago, quite profoundly, how we were all told, with absolute concrete certainty..(.the same certainty Americans were told the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor)...That Saddam had launched an Anthrax attack into Senator Leahy's office and Tom Brokaw's office.

    I believed it completely.

    Why wouldn't I ?

    Who would lie about something so horrific ,...so evil ?

    Would you ?

    After we went into Iraq, the narrative that Saddam had launched this Anthrax attack against our capitol and our news rooms collapsed completely...and had been shown to be wholly fraudulent....

    A lie (which I believed to be the truth).

    So the question I have for you, unseated, is what should the history books teach my grandchildren about this bogus anthrax narrative that contributed to our starting the catastrophic Iraq war ?

    What should they be told about it ?

    We KNOW that our media has done everything in its power to exterminate this incident from our memory...because of its wholly fraudulent and deceitful nature...

    The question I have for you ....is what should the history books say about it ?

    Should they exterminate the Saddam anthrax incident,,...because our media lied about what happened ,to push us into war ?

    Is that right ?

    ..AND if they lied about THAT..without any consequence, why aren't they lying about the
    2013 Assad Sarin gas attack in Ghouta...or the Assad chlorine gas attack four days ago ?

    I consider this " lying" an act of terror fraud AND war fraud.....why shouldn't I ? Why shouldn't you ?

    Is that okay with you ?

    More importantly..what will the history books teach our grandchildren about these moments of deceit..that precipitated trillion dollar wars...and the murder of millions of innocent people ?


    Should our History books censor it ? Should they eliminate these pernicious acts of fraud from the historical record,,,so they can occur again ?

    Ask yourself....what is the story we need to tell our children..and our grandchildren...and why have we left them with an obscene 20 trillion dollar war debt ?..Because we were deceived into war ?


    What will our history books teach our children and our grandchildren about what occurred ?

    Will they be honest enough to tell our grandchildren we we "lied" into war ?

    If not, why not ?
  97. @Corvinus
    "On the contrary, Moscow always seeks to contain chaos, stop it from spreading, and support centralized governments."

    No. Russia’s violations of Ukrainian and Georgian territorial integrity, nuclear saber rattling, and cyberspace warfare demonstrates that nation's ambition to erode the principled international order...similar to America's machinations.

    "Analyze everything that Moscow’s done since Putin came to power, and you will see that I’m right — your interpretation is based on unfounded analyses by the NATO-tied mass media and politicians."

    Your analysis is based on Russian propaganda. You've been thoroughly duped.

    "Moreover, read Putin’s speeches and he lays out his strategy in very clear language — he’s always in favour of stability..."

    No.

    http://kosovotwopointzero.com/en/global-instability-strengthens-russian-influence-balkans/

    "However, this event would not have made the headlines without the accusations of involvement of a great power. According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?"

    "Look at Ukraine, Syria"

    Putin is looking out for his own interests at the expense of everyone else. He is other than a humanitarian.

    "Now look at the US — doing everything they can to sabotage any peace deals that are about to be signed."

    In response to Russian ruses and maneuvering.

    "And most of those are because of the refugee crisis which the West created by supporting the destruction of stable governments in Iraq, Libya and Syria."

    Led by diabolical strongmen who torture political dissidents and engage in cronyism to financially benefit them at the expense of their people. Of course, the U.S. and Russian use every trick in the book to ensure that these nations are on their side. Again, both nations create chaotic conditions to benefit themselves. Facts.

    According to official statements by Montenegrin officials and prosecutors, there was a Russia-supported plot to create chaos in Montenegro on election night by provoking a conflict between the citizens and the police, after which the opposition leaders — also supposedly involved in the plot — would take power. With Montenegro being a state on the verge of joining NATO, these were very serious accusations. But while these events are still under investigation and there are many who doubt that there was any Russian involvement in this incident, one question has been brought to the fore: How strong is Russian influence in the Balkans?”

    According to official statements by corrupt crime lords (Montenegrin government), there was a Russian plot so that the pro western opposition could take power from pro western government. There is no investigation because nothing happened, and anybody who is not a complete idiot has no doubt that there has been no Russian involvement. Russian influence is very strong : entire fucking Balkans is in the NATO, except currently western-enthralled Serbia. That’s how stupid that theory is.

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  98. Mike Whitney,

    Thank you for highlighting Phil’s comments on the SCOTT HORTON SHOW. But what now?

    Phil said that American intelligence assets in Syria were “considering going public” to say that Trump’s airstrikes were made under false pretenses, and that their evidence showed that the Russian assessment/explanation was correct.

    So now, with it looking like a one-off symbolic gesture, will this be swept under the rug? The “Assad committed this horrendous act” meme will be left intact, thus paving the way for his removal and Syria’s dismemberment?

    I know these guys/gals have families to feed and other considerations, and whistleblowing is not a piece of cake, but there must be some way to do this. How about a closed-door hearing? Why not approach Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard?

    Rand and Tulsi are the Senate and House sponsors of the Stop Arming Terrorists Act. Attacking the Syrian Arab Army most certainly has aided the terrorists (prohibited under the Act).

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  99. @Beefcake the Mighty
    An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war. (Admittedly they also held the Russian response to be disproportionate, but whatever, that's not the point.). Corvinus' talk about violations of Georgian sovereignty tip his hand.

    “An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war.”

    There’s more to the investigation here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html

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    As I said, the Russians were deemed to have acted excessively IN RESPONSE to Georgian aggression. Not exactly the cartoon picture the US media (and it's assorted hacks) like to push, no?
  100. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Corvinus is a bot. Real people don't copy/paste bits from US secretary of 'defense' speeches to pass them as their own 'thoughts'.

    “Real people don’t copy/paste bits from US secretary of ‘defense’ speeches to pass them as their own ‘thoughts’.”

    Yes, I am a CIA bot. You are now on the list. And thanks for listing the source that I should have referenced.

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    {Yes, I am a CIA bot.}

    If a bot, then most likely a Mossad bot, not CIA: most, but not certainly all, American military and intelligence are American patriots.
    And judging by your posts, you are virulently anti-Christian, anti-American, and Neoconite pro-Israel.
  101. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @unseated
    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama's Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that "Assad is a brutal dictator". These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya - a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician - though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.

    These intelligent people

    You just made a superb case for those people being not really intelligent.

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  102. @Jus' Sayin'...

    "Why, of course, it’s the Jews fault yet again. Um, no.

    America and Russia each uses deception, each uses propaganda, each plays a game to control the world. Facts."
     
    I never used the phrase "the Jews" if you will notice. However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics. Books have been written on this. I can only give a scant description here. What I do describe is easily verified.

    At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio. Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel's belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran. As I noted in my earlier post, Congress treats the thug Netanyahu with more respect than our President.

    Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel's interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons. These chicken hawks are ubiquitous in appointed positions within American government and in various advisory roles. They have survived five administration changes starting with Reagan.

    The characteristics they share are an insane bellicosity, an open devotion to Israel, and a willingness to combine these two by fomenting disruptive wars that favor Israeli interests at the expense of the US. If you doubt this look at the roster of characters who've been praising Trump's recent attacks on Yemen and Syria and who've attempted to sabotage any US rapprochement with Iran. Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians. With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country's interests.

    Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc. The list of NPR programmers and announcers reads like some synagogue's Yom Kipur ticket list. A quick perusal of US news shows the immediate impact. Their is a gross disconnect between what the rest of the world reports on Israel's various violations of international norms and the clean bill of health Israel gets from the USA's domestic news media. Even the movies are not exempt. After carefully ignoring the Hodomor for over seventy-five tears, Hollywood is now putting out a movie to ratchet up anti-Russian sentiment. Israel is invariably glorified by Hollywood, a tradition that began with the movie Exodus back in the 1950s.

    America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively. Furthermore, Israel's overt and covert policies usually involve gross violations of international law. It is aided and abetted in this with US support. Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior. And, once again, I assert that it is through it's Zionist Jew fifth column in the USA that Israel effectively controls all aspects of US foreign policy that impinge on Israel in any way.

    As regards the USA and Russia, I would point out that for the past two decades or so, Russia has essentially responded only in the most minimalist way to US provocations. Consider: (1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US? (2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US? (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US? (4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?.

    “However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics.”

    Yes, I am fully aware of the Jewish menace, I mean presence. And so what if they are heavily invested in our political and cultural systems? No different than powerful whites or other minorities, or the Alt Right, who all seek to influence our society in a particular direction.

    “At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio.”

    So, what are YOU prepared to do about this dire situation? Does not this elitist threat command direct action on YOUR part?

    “Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran.”

    It’s called negotiations, the same tactics used by Trump to get what he wants. And isn’t one of Trump’s daughters married to a Jew? How dare she try to consolidate the family’s wealth and power!

    “Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons.”

    In the same manner that Trump and his business cronies, and the other “corporatists” in our country operate–they haggle and finagle. There is no observable difference here.

    “Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians.”

    Now, I do agree with you that Palestinians have been significantly mistreated by Israel and deserve their own homeland. But are not Palestinians “dirty Muslims who are terrorists”? Why should we help them gain their own state?

    “With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests.”

    That’s a generalization on your part.

    “Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc.”

    The horror! No different than if there was another group of people in charge. You act as if Jews are unilaterally destroying our nation. That is yet another generalization.

    “America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively.”

    Yes, yes, yes, the Jewish boogeyman. Boo!

    “Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior.”

    Please define this concept of “more civilized behavior” for the viewing audience.

    “(1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US?”

    “(2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US?”

    (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US?

    It’s called protecting our national security interests.

    “(4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?””

    Historically, both nations.

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    So what's your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right? (Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)

    Yes/no? And what's this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of "going out and doing something"? Why the hell do you even care?
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Now you're just getting silly, I assume out of desperation.

    If you wish to pooh-pooh the disproportionate and destructive Zionist influence on US foreign policy then why bother taking umbrage at people who point it out.

    More civilized behavior on the part of Israel might include (1) adhering to international law, e.g., ending occupation of lands outside its internationally recognized borders and ceasing the continued dispossession and occupation of Palestinian land with illegal "settlements", (2) ending the constant persecution of Palestinians within and without Israel, and (3) ceasing the constant assassination of civilians in Iran and other countries. As an American I'd also like to see Israel butt out of US politics.

    The USA has gone way beyond protecting its national interests. Any military activity of the US outside of the Americas is exactly the kind of imperialism and foreign entanglements that Washington and Adams pere and fils warned us against; so did Eisenhower for that matter. A military that is significantly larger than the combined militaries of the next ten largest military powers is not just a threat to the rest of the world and world peace; it is a cancerous exfoliation of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against and exactly the kind of imperial over-reach that destroyed the Hapsburgs. Needless and purposeless provocations against Russia on its very borders have the potential to lead to a that would destroy the US. The US military complex and the control neocons and Zionists exercise over it have actually become an existential threat to the United States.

    Trump's seduction by the neocons and Zionists have convinced me that participation in the country's political system is no longer a useful option. When a fruitful alternative presents itself I'll avail myself of it. Until then I'll ignore the establishment as much as possible.

    I'm curious why you are so anxious to goad me into going further than this but I don't really care to hear your answer. People like you are part of the problem so there's no use arguing with you.

    , @Stonehands

    Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc.”

     

    Completely corrupt and complicit in the rigging of the DNC.
  103. @unseated
    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama's Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that "Assad is a brutal dictator". These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya - a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician - though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.

    “These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq…”

    Then why not remind them! A picture is worth thousands of parliamentary reports.
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/04/07/remember-2003-bolivian-un-ambassador-blasts-us-another-illegal-attack
    Remember 2003? Bolivian UN Ambassador Blasts US for Another Illegal Attack

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    You think I don't remind them? I have, so far, lost two good friends and came close to losing two others before I decided to back off and stop arguing politics. Recall the student who invented the Infinite Improbability generator in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". After he was awarded the Galactic Institute's Prize for Extreme Cleverness, he was lynched by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists who had realized that one thing they couldn't stand was a smart-arse.
  104. @Corvinus
    "Real people don’t copy/paste bits from US secretary of ‘defense’ speeches to pass them as their own ‘thoughts’."

    Yes, I am a CIA bot. You are now on the list. And thanks for listing the source that I should have referenced.

    {Yes, I am a CIA bot.}

    If a bot, then most likely a Mossad bot, not CIA: most, but not certainly all, American military and intelligence are American patriots.
    And judging by your posts, you are virulently anti-Christian, anti-American, and Neoconite pro-Israel.

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    "And judging by your posts, you are virulently anti-Christian, anti-American, and Neoconite pro-Israel."

    You forgot to add to the list "pro-feminist, anti-masculinity". I'm short, he (she/it?) checks every NWO box.
  105. @Amanda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqd-flHwHc

    NOTE: This interview was recorded in the hours BEFORE Trump bomber Syria, or it would have been discussed. In this conversation with Andy Hoffman we discuss the Russia and China's rapid move away from the Dollar and toward gold. It will soon be judgment day for the Petro-dollar.

    I think TPTB/Central Bankers are deliberately setting us up for WW3 w/Russia and/or China b/c they are breaking away from their fake, money printed from thin air, Federal Reserve System

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-05/real-reason-federal-government-have-been-keen-blame-russia-everything (this has been going on throughout history: any nation that breaks free or threatens the oligarchy controlling the money supply gets targeted--online documentary "All Wars are Bankers Wars" documents this.


    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt. I think there is a legal concept of Odious Debt that applies. Plus it's fraudulent debt in that it's just money printed from thin air.

    “I think TPTB/Central Bankers are deliberately setting us up for WW3 w/Russia and/or China b/c they are breaking away from their fake, money printed from thin air, Federal Reserve System”

    The Central Bankers have already included the Chinese Renminbi into the IMFs SDR basket so it’s a mistake to think of China as breaking away from the system. China is full on board for a global currency reset to bring about a Mono-Global Governance or as George Soros calls it, “a New World Order”.

    http://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2016/09/30/AM16-PR16440-IMF-Launches-New-SDR-Basket-Including-Chinese-Renminbi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Y144tuACs

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  106. @Corvinus
    "You are full of it. You are totally confused."

    I'm thinking clearly. The U.S. and Russia LOVE causing chaos. As white dominated nations, it's their nature to teeter on the brink of elimination, but lack the guts to actually pull the trigger. You know, it's the self-preservation mechanism in human beings.

    "You have been drinking Israeli and neocons kool-aid."

    And you've been quaffing Russian propaganda and anti-American Deep State orange julius.

    You really do not get it. While USA location allows her to create chaos elsewhere without much consequences so far, Russia has no this luxury. Russian history is all about creating order out of chaos and trying to make things as much calm and predictable as possible both in the country and her immediate vicinity. Get yourself world map, have a look and try to think clearly. Learning Russia history would as Trump says tremendously improve your insight.

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    "Russian history is all about creating order out of chaos and trying to make things as much calm and predictable as possible both in the country and her immediate vicinity."

    The conduct of your tsars and your leaders during the Cold War clearly demonstrate otherwise.
  107. Good articles all round from the Derb, the Saker and Mike Whitney.

    I think three things are of significance. First the attack did very little damage which I could surmise was a key Pentagon concern. I suspect (almost) no one there wants a serious fight with Russia on Syria. The further economic sanctions on Syria will be meaningless too (can anything else be sanctioned?)

    Second this strike for the moment has temporarily silenced the Russiagate speculation. For the moment is the appropriate term for I believe Trump will never be forgiven for upsetting the Hillary/ Bush applecart. So any relief, as with the Flynn sacking, is only temporary.

    Third I believe this has some link to Jared Kushner’s visit to Iraq last week where the US military told him they were probably going to have to bomb Mosul to smithereens given the Iraqi army’s lack of capability in doing the nitt- gritty work of clearing the City (and the US Military’s reluctance and also lack of capability to do so). Casualties in the Mosque bombing were three times more than in this ‘attack’.

    True enough CNN the BBC et al have gone full hysterical on the attack and the killings in Mosul and Raqqa last month have disappeared down the memory hole. They will keep this up for a few weeks, squeeze maximum propaganda from it and hope they can get the Mosul and Raqqa operations over and done with.

    However as I guess Bannon argued, this illegal strike has major implications for Trump. It alienates his core supporters at home and abroad, who are going to be much less inclined to fight for him when the neo-cons come calling again (his ingratiation with Goldman Sachs clique is another no-no). If he thinks he can get away with one strike he may be mistaken. The senile McInsane is already arguing that it should only be the start. And to the extent that it further kicks the re-set of the Russia relationship further down the road, there is the real danger than Russian patience long as it is may be exhausted. Already there has been zero payback for Putin’s forbearance with the expulsion of the Russian diplomats.

    And there is still the existential US Debt crisis hovering.

    A bad move Trump, An expensive move Trump (at 84 million USD) on blowing up some old jets under repair. And a criminal one too. Another 9 people or so to add to the pointless blood bath of this neo-con created war.

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  108. Here is a more sophisticated analysis for those interested.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article195904.html

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    This is a statement like from a bad TV episode. I fully expect the Bogdanoff Brothers to add something:

    Without hindrance, the US cruise missiles crossed the zone controlled by the new Russian weapon which inhibits NATO communications and commands. According to General Philip Breedlove, ex-Supreme Commander of NATO, this weapon enabled Russia to gain the advantage over the United States in terms of conventional warfare. It should normally have upset the guidance systems of these missiles, but apparently did not function. This indicates either that the Pentagon has finally found a technical riposte, or that the weapon had been de-activated by the Russians.
     
    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11) tries to be too clever by half. Again.

    Damascus, by sacrificing this base and the lives of a few men, gave him the authority to carry out a vast action against anyone who uses chemical weapons. But so far, the only people who actually use these weapons, and have been identified by the United Nations for doing so, are – the jihadists.
     
    I understand this to mean that he thinks Trump will now order strikes against the Jihadists who are not necessarily averse to use chemical weapons, using the present attack as a first in a series. That sounds far-fetched at best, if not completely something put together while a weed hit is wearing off.

    Trump has chosen his enemy, for reasons of internal politics (of course). It is Assad.

  109. What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?

    Something’s gotta give.

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  110. It appears that America killed more innocent people today in air strikes against ISIS

    Who to believe anymore……

    US Strikes Again in Syria — This Time Hitting a Coffee Shop Full of People

    “A US airstrike in western Raqqa has killed at least 15 and injured dozens, according to multiple reports. 

    “The airstrike devastated an internet coffee shop in Hanedah town in western Raqqa countryside. The airstrike killed more than 20 civilians and injured dozens more,” according to Al Masdar News.”

    http://russia-insider.com/en/node/19505

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  111. @Corvinus
    "An EU commission determined that Georgia started the war."

    There's more to the investigation here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html

    As I said, the Russians were deemed to have acted excessively IN RESPONSE to Georgian aggression. Not exactly the cartoon picture the US media (and it’s assorted hacks) like to push, no?

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  112. @Corvinus
    "However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics."

    Yes, I am fully aware of the Jewish menace, I mean presence. And so what if they are heavily invested in our political and cultural systems? No different than powerful whites or other minorities, or the Alt Right, who all seek to influence our society in a particular direction.

    "At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio."

    So, what are YOU prepared to do about this dire situation? Does not this elitist threat command direct action on YOUR part?

    "Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran."

    It's called negotiations, the same tactics used by Trump to get what he wants. And isn't one of Trump's daughters married to a Jew? How dare she try to consolidate the family's wealth and power!

    "Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons."

    In the same manner that Trump and his business cronies, and the other "corporatists" in our country operate--they haggle and finagle. There is no observable difference here.

    "Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians."

    Now, I do agree with you that Palestinians have been significantly mistreated by Israel and deserve their own homeland. But are not Palestinians "dirty Muslims who are terrorists"? Why should we help them gain their own state?

    "With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests."

    That's a generalization on your part.

    "Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc."

    The horror! No different than if there was another group of people in charge. You act as if Jews are unilaterally destroying our nation. That is yet another generalization.

    "America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively."

    Yes, yes, yes, the Jewish boogeyman. Boo!

    "Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior."

    Please define this concept of "more civilized behavior" for the viewing audience.

    "(1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US?"

    "(2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US?"

    (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US?

    It's called protecting our national security interests.

    "(4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?""

    Historically, both nations.

    So what’s your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right? (Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)

    Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?

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    "Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?"

    Back in the 60's, FBI informants and plants sent to infiltrate protest movements would openly encourage violence. They definitely wanted those protesters to "go out and do something".
    , @Corvinus
    "So what’s your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right?"

    Of course. The problem is that some people believe that Jews control the world, lament how they control the world, claim something must be done so they no longer control the world...and sit on their hands and do not act.

    "(Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)"

    As if non-Jews were in "power" and their gains wouldn't come at the expense of Jews? Please, spare us.

    "Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?"

    If those people who claim that elitists and Jews are destroying America, and they don't actually do something about it, they are just as guilty in contributing to our decline as a nation.
  113. @L
    Here is a more sophisticated analysis for those interested.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article195904.html

    This is a statement like from a bad TV episode. I fully expect the Bogdanoff Brothers to add something:

    Without hindrance, the US cruise missiles crossed the zone controlled by the new Russian weapon which inhibits NATO communications and commands. According to General Philip Breedlove, ex-Supreme Commander of NATO, this weapon enabled Russia to gain the advantage over the United States in terms of conventional warfare. It should normally have upset the guidance systems of these missiles, but apparently did not function. This indicates either that the Pentagon has finally found a technical riposte, or that the weapon had been de-activated by the Russians.

    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11) tries to be too clever by half. Again.

    Damascus, by sacrificing this base and the lives of a few men, gave him the authority to carry out a vast action against anyone who uses chemical weapons. But so far, the only people who actually use these weapons, and have been identified by the United Nations for doing so, are – the jihadists.

    I understand this to mean that he thinks Trump will now order strikes against the Jihadists who are not necessarily averse to use chemical weapons, using the present attack as a first in a series. That sounds far-fetched at best, if not completely something put together while a weed hit is wearing off.

    Trump has chosen his enemy, for reasons of internal politics (of course). It is Assad.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Well, whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon, surely a contrary position is no weirder than the official account of Arabs with box cutters, trained (barely) to fly Cessnas, bypassed the enormous American defense system (their passports miraculously survived carnage that included underground fires that burned for weeks), all directed by some guy dying of kidney failure hiding out in a Stone Age country?

    No?
    , @Truth

    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11)
     
    How is having two functioning eyes, making a "wierd" claim?

    Show me ONE photo that shows airplane wreckage at the Pentagon.
  114. More Kremlinology!

    Where Was CIA’s Pompeo on Syria?

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/

    … Even when the U.S. government is presenting false information, such as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s 2003 speech laying out the bogus evidence of Iraq hiding WMDs, CIA Director George Tenet was seated behind Powell to lend credibility to the falsehoods.

    But in the photo of Trump and his advisers, no one from the intelligence community is in the frame. You see Trump, Secretary of State Tillerson, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, strategic adviser Steve Bannon, son-in-law Jared Kushner and a variety of other officials, including some economic advisers who were at Mar-a-Lago in Florida for the meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

    However, you don’t see Pompeo or Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats or any other intelligence official. Even The New York Times noted the oddity in its Saturday editions, writing: “If there were C.I.A. and other intelligence briefers around, … they are not in the picture.”

    And thus:

    a serious question arises whether President Trump did receive that “high degree of confidence” assessment from the intelligence community or whether he shunted Pompeo aside to eliminate an obstacle to his desire to launch the April 6 rocket attack.

    If so, such a dangerous deception more than anything else we’ve seen in the first two-plus months of the Trump administration would be grounds for impeachment – ignoring the opinion of the U.S. intelligence community so the President could carry out a politically popular (albeit illegal) missile strike that killed Syrians.

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  115. Murdering foreigners has always been the plan B of american politicians. In terms of media and public support, there is only an upside. The 72 year old toddler trump is now being praised by all his former detractors……..hell, even the muzzie joohadis are spooning out the praise. Can a nobel peace prize be far away?

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  116. Please explain the connection between Bundy, Dahmer Trump Tower and the innocent children buried beneath Trump Tower.

    Is The Tower built over an old cemetery exclusively for children ? I’m very interested to know.

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  117. @RobinG
    "These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq..."

    Then why not remind them! A picture is worth thousands of parliamentary reports.
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/04/07/remember-2003-bolivian-un-ambassador-blasts-us-another-illegal-attack
    Remember 2003? Bolivian UN Ambassador Blasts US for Another Illegal Attack

    You think I don’t remind them? I have, so far, lost two good friends and came close to losing two others before I decided to back off and stop arguing politics. Recall the student who invented the Infinite Improbability generator in “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. After he was awarded the Galactic Institute’s Prize for Extreme Cleverness, he was lynched by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists who had realized that one thing they couldn’t stand was a smart-arse.

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  118. @El Dato
    This is a statement like from a bad TV episode. I fully expect the Bogdanoff Brothers to add something:

    Without hindrance, the US cruise missiles crossed the zone controlled by the new Russian weapon which inhibits NATO communications and commands. According to General Philip Breedlove, ex-Supreme Commander of NATO, this weapon enabled Russia to gain the advantage over the United States in terms of conventional warfare. It should normally have upset the guidance systems of these missiles, but apparently did not function. This indicates either that the Pentagon has finally found a technical riposte, or that the weapon had been de-activated by the Russians.
     
    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11) tries to be too clever by half. Again.

    Damascus, by sacrificing this base and the lives of a few men, gave him the authority to carry out a vast action against anyone who uses chemical weapons. But so far, the only people who actually use these weapons, and have been identified by the United Nations for doing so, are – the jihadists.
     
    I understand this to mean that he thinks Trump will now order strikes against the Jihadists who are not necessarily averse to use chemical weapons, using the present attack as a first in a series. That sounds far-fetched at best, if not completely something put together while a weed hit is wearing off.

    Trump has chosen his enemy, for reasons of internal politics (of course). It is Assad.

    Well, whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon, surely a contrary position is no weirder than the official account of Arabs with box cutters, trained (barely) to fly Cessnas, bypassed the enormous American defense system (their passports miraculously survived carnage that included underground fires that burned for weeks), all directed by some guy dying of kidney failure hiding out in a Stone Age country?

    No?

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    here's a good quick summary of the lying US govt/MSM version of 911:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
  119. @El Dato
    This is a statement like from a bad TV episode. I fully expect the Bogdanoff Brothers to add something:

    Without hindrance, the US cruise missiles crossed the zone controlled by the new Russian weapon which inhibits NATO communications and commands. According to General Philip Breedlove, ex-Supreme Commander of NATO, this weapon enabled Russia to gain the advantage over the United States in terms of conventional warfare. It should normally have upset the guidance systems of these missiles, but apparently did not function. This indicates either that the Pentagon has finally found a technical riposte, or that the weapon had been de-activated by the Russians.
     
    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11) tries to be too clever by half. Again.

    Damascus, by sacrificing this base and the lives of a few men, gave him the authority to carry out a vast action against anyone who uses chemical weapons. But so far, the only people who actually use these weapons, and have been identified by the United Nations for doing so, are – the jihadists.
     
    I understand this to mean that he thinks Trump will now order strikes against the Jihadists who are not necessarily averse to use chemical weapons, using the present attack as a first in a series. That sounds far-fetched at best, if not completely something put together while a weed hit is wearing off.

    Trump has chosen his enemy, for reasons of internal politics (of course). It is Assad.

    The author (Thierry Meyssan, famous for the weird claim that no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11)

    How is having two functioning eyes, making a “wierd” claim?

    Show me ONE photo that shows airplane wreckage at the Pentagon.

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  120. @jacques sheete

    Evil people need to face PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES for their wrongdoings. SERIOUS ones.
     
    While true enough, in practice it rarely happens. How do "we" go about making sure they get what they deserve? Then, how do "we" ensure that they aren't replaced (as usual) by something even worse?

    “How do we go about making sure they get what they deserve?”

    That’s the crux of the matter, without which nothing will be solved, or really change. Your opinion on that is as good as anyone else’s.

    “Then, how do we ensure that they aren’t replaced (as usual) by something even worse?”

    That is erroneous reasoning. You take down the evil that is in front of you, that you KNOW to be evil, first. You don’t go second-guessing or trying to figure out/calculate “what might replace it”, because you simply don’t know/can’t tell that – and meanwhile the known evil continues to do harm. (Except, of course, in cases where there is a very strong and clear indication of a definitely worse evil directly replacing the one you remove). We already know that the neocons are filth of the worst sort, responsible for innumerable crimes and dragging the world toward massive destruction. What evil that is worse would immediately replace them if they were taken out/brought to account?

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  121. @unseated
    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama's Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that "Assad is a brutal dictator". These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya - a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician - though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.

    I’m a simple guy who notices details and incongruities. Back in the 1960′s, American hippies were glomming on Marrakesh, for the hashish, cheap living. Westerners used to be able to go to all North African countries for cheap vacations, nice food, and shopping. Same with Egypt, Lebanon, SYRIA, and Iran.

    All this changed when traditionalism and nativism were disrupted. One, by Jews, in their expansion and displacement of the native Arab populations. Two, by the American CIA and its addiction to “regime change”, for supposed “Human Rights”, actually disguised as fronting for American Corporate Interests, and domination. No wonder the World hates us.

    Obviously, the dictators that ruled these ME countries produced stability, enough to where there was economic progress and openness to tourists, trade, etc.

    The Bolsheviks, mainly Jews, snuffed the Romanovs of Russia. We snuffed Ngo Dihn Diem, the Royal Family of Vietnam. We deposed the Shah of Iran and installed Ayatollah Khomeini. The list goes on and on. Almost never is there a gain or advance by getting rid of their bad guy and installing ours.

    Dictatorship is the only political/government option available in 90% of the world. By the standards of the ME, he was quite good. Syria was modernizing, welcoming foreign investment, and had ENFORCED PEACE and detente among its VARIOUS religious groups. Christians were quite safe and not discriminated against. Any Muslim that molested Christians was punished severely.

    But Syria, like Poland of the past, has land and resources that Israel and Turkey want to make their own.

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  122. @Corvinus
    "However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics."

    Yes, I am fully aware of the Jewish menace, I mean presence. And so what if they are heavily invested in our political and cultural systems? No different than powerful whites or other minorities, or the Alt Right, who all seek to influence our society in a particular direction.

    "At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio."

    So, what are YOU prepared to do about this dire situation? Does not this elitist threat command direct action on YOUR part?

    "Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran."

    It's called negotiations, the same tactics used by Trump to get what he wants. And isn't one of Trump's daughters married to a Jew? How dare she try to consolidate the family's wealth and power!

    "Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons."

    In the same manner that Trump and his business cronies, and the other "corporatists" in our country operate--they haggle and finagle. There is no observable difference here.

    "Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians."

    Now, I do agree with you that Palestinians have been significantly mistreated by Israel and deserve their own homeland. But are not Palestinians "dirty Muslims who are terrorists"? Why should we help them gain their own state?

    "With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests."

    That's a generalization on your part.

    "Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc."

    The horror! No different than if there was another group of people in charge. You act as if Jews are unilaterally destroying our nation. That is yet another generalization.

    "America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively."

    Yes, yes, yes, the Jewish boogeyman. Boo!

    "Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior."

    Please define this concept of "more civilized behavior" for the viewing audience.

    "(1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US?"

    "(2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US?"

    (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US?

    It's called protecting our national security interests.

    "(4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?""

    Historically, both nations.

    Now you’re just getting silly, I assume out of desperation.

    If you wish to pooh-pooh the disproportionate and destructive Zionist influence on US foreign policy then why bother taking umbrage at people who point it out.

    More civilized behavior on the part of Israel might include (1) adhering to international law, e.g., ending occupation of lands outside its internationally recognized borders and ceasing the continued dispossession and occupation of Palestinian land with illegal “settlements”, (2) ending the constant persecution of Palestinians within and without Israel, and (3) ceasing the constant assassination of civilians in Iran and other countries. As an American I’d also like to see Israel butt out of US politics.

    The USA has gone way beyond protecting its national interests. Any military activity of the US outside of the Americas is exactly the kind of imperialism and foreign entanglements that Washington and Adams pere and fils warned us against; so did Eisenhower for that matter. A military that is significantly larger than the combined militaries of the next ten largest military powers is not just a threat to the rest of the world and world peace; it is a cancerous exfoliation of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against and exactly the kind of imperial over-reach that destroyed the Hapsburgs. Needless and purposeless provocations against Russia on its very borders have the potential to lead to a that would destroy the US. The US military complex and the control neocons and Zionists exercise over it have actually become an existential threat to the United States.

    Trump’s seduction by the neocons and Zionists have convinced me that participation in the country’s political system is no longer a useful option. When a fruitful alternative presents itself I’ll avail myself of it. Until then I’ll ignore the establishment as much as possible.

    I’m curious why you are so anxious to goad me into going further than this but I don’t really care to hear your answer. People like you are part of the problem so there’s no use arguing with you.

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    "If you wish to pooh-pooh the disproportionate and destructive Zionist influence on US foreign policy then why bother taking umbrage at people who point it out."

    There is always going to be "disproportionate and destructive" influence by any group on our foreign policy matters, whether it be Jews or non-Jews. You can point out all you want about Zionism, but in typical confirmation bias form, you overgeneralize this threat.

    "More civilized behavior on the part of Israel might include (1) adhering to international law, e.g., ending occupation of lands outside its internationally recognized borders and ceasing the continued dispossession and occupation of Palestinian land with illegal “settlements”,"

    Agreed.

    "(2) ending the constant persecution of Palestinians within and without Israel,"

    Agreed.

    "and (3) ceasing the constant assassination of civilians in Iran and other countries."

    That is civilized conduct reflective of ANY government; the purpose being to protect their global and domestic interests.

    "As an American I’d also like to see Israel butt out of US politics."

    I would also like to see the Alt Right, the race realists, and the Russians remain out of US politics as well.

    "The USA has gone way beyond protecting its national interests. Any military activity of the US outside of the Americas is exactly the kind of imperialism and foreign entanglements that Washington and Adams pere and fils warned us against; so did Eisenhower for that matter."

    Invade the world and invite the world was a European creation, with American assistance in its expansion. Pandora ain't going back into that box ever. Remember, the "West" desired to expand their financial philosophies and cultural ways.

    "A military that is significantly larger than the combined militaries of the next ten largest military powers is not just a threat to the rest of the world and world peace; it is a cancerous exfoliation of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against and exactly the kind of imperial over-reach that destroyed the Hapsburgs."

    So how do YOU propose to stop this scourge? What are YOU willing to do?

    "Trump’s seduction by the neocons and Zionists have convinced me that participation in the country’s political system is no longer a useful option. When a fruitful alternative presents itself I’ll avail myself of it. Until then I’ll ignore the establishment as much as possible."

    Exactly. You are part of the problem by claiming there is no "fruitful alternative". Let the cancer grow by "ignoring the establishment".
  123. @Avery
    {Yes, I am a CIA bot.}

    If a bot, then most likely a Mossad bot, not CIA: most, but not certainly all, American military and intelligence are American patriots.
    And judging by your posts, you are virulently anti-Christian, anti-American, and Neoconite pro-Israel.

    “And judging by your posts, you are virulently anti-Christian, anti-American, and Neoconite pro-Israel.”

    You forgot to add to the list “pro-feminist, anti-masculinity”. I’m short, he (she/it?) checks every NWO box.

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  124. @Beefcake the Mighty
    So what's your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right? (Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)

    Yes/no? And what's this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of "going out and doing something"? Why the hell do you even care?

    “Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?”

    Back in the 60′s, FBI informants and plants sent to infiltrate protest movements would openly encourage violence. They definitely wanted those protesters to “go out and do something”.

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  125. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Well, whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon, surely a contrary position is no weirder than the official account of Arabs with box cutters, trained (barely) to fly Cessnas, bypassed the enormous American defense system (their passports miraculously survived carnage that included underground fires that burned for weeks), all directed by some guy dying of kidney failure hiding out in a Stone Age country?

    No?

    here’s a good quick summary of the lying US govt/MSM version of 911:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

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  126. This photo says it all!

    Photo of Bolivian Ambassador to the UN, Sacha Llorenti, speaking at an emergency Security Council meeting to discuss the US missile strikes on a Syrian airbase, 7 April 2017 (holding up a photo of Colin Powell lying to the UN about Iraq’s WMD)
    https://www.sott.net/pic-of-day/388556

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  127. @JustJeff
    I think the last several paragraphs have a lot to do with why western governments have been so enamored with Muslim immigration since 9/11. It's a nifty way to neutralize a lot of anti-American sentiment. In the old days, the Muslims were left to stew in their resentment while living under corrupt, violent, unjust American-backed regimes. They watched on tv as Israel was given a blank check to kill fellow Muslims. They couldn't do anything about all that.

    But now things are different. The US has basically given them the "if you can't beat us, join us" option. After we blow up their countries we let them move here and stroke their egos with nation of immigrants rhetoric. Sure their homeland is destroyed and they've been uprooted from their heritage, but what's that compared to an H1-B visa? The result has been that Muslims spend far more time hating and killing each other than us. The Saudis, Turks, and gulf Arabs are on the same team as Israel. Hell, there are Arabs who are now celebrating America bombing one of their countries. This would've been unimaginable ten years ago.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39526653

    This helps explain the absurdity of the Deep State and its useful idiots going ballistic over the idea of not letting Muslims into this country but applauding bombing them in their own countries.

    Sure their homeland is destroyed and they’ve been uprooted from their heritage, but what’s that compared to an H1-B visa? The result has been that Muslims spend far more time hating and killing each other than us.

    They spend a not inconsiderable amount of time running our children over in the street too.

    The Saudis, Turks, and gulf Arabs are on the same team as Israel.

    Team Hate Whitey And Take His S**T For Free, yes.

    Helluva team

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  128. @War for Blair Mountain
    Donald Trump...Jared Kushner....and the filthy stinking fucking whore Ivanka Trump Kushner..all three must be indicted and prosecuted for WAR CRIMES!!!!....This must be the Alt Right position right now.......Indict these GD MOTHER FUCKERS FOR WAR CRIMES!!!

    What about Obama and Hillary?

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  129. Russia will not go for nuclear war over Syria. I see it differently. It is like this:

    When Israel wants to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia has the option of moving her body out of the way or suck it up. Wherever Russia chooses to stall herself in Syria it accepts Israeli bombing with her hands on her mouth. No complaints are heard. Putin worshipers in the West- righties and lefties- follow suit and keep their mouths shut.

    When America desires to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia is given time to choose where to put her body in Syria. Unlike in the case of Israeli bombings that Russia accepts graciously, it pretends to dislike American actions. It goes to the UN and blubbers something. Mercifully, democratic America respects the choice of Russia to shut up or blubber at the UN. Putin worshipers in the West take their cue from Moscow and scream their heads off.

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country. They are adamant that the job be subcontracted to Russia and Assad. They give the impression that they arranged the contract, and go nuts when they feel that their cuts may be eroded.

    Whitney and his gang at counterpunch want Americans to protest against Trump on this issue. But if a people in a third world country rebel against a dictator they label them terrorist. The right to rebel is exclusively American; the peasants of the world must worship their dictators. No demonstration, strikes or rebellion can occur in these countries without the stirring hands of the CIA. The people have zero agency. And it is ok to exterminate a rebellious population using guns, artillery, tanks, planes, and perhaps chemical weapons.

    I did not see a single article about the suffering of the people of Syria written by friends of Putin.

    Whitney and Co. are blinded by the actual or potential trade they can make with states. So in their minds only states and their rivalry exist. There is no such thing as people’s interest independent of their states.

    Anyways let’s go with the flow:

    Avanti Counterpunchie ur-Fascism!!!

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    What kind of a mixed-up bot are you? Not one who reads much, apparently. Maybe you and Miss Prissy can rent a room with Netflix together.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    The "rebels" in Syria aren't some organic, legitimate group, they're foreign mercenaries sent in and supported by the West. There are differing factions (e.g. those supported by the DoD vs. the CIA/Mossad), but they're no kind of grassroots Syrian uprising.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country.
     
    I don't know what "Putin worshipers screaming about", but I do know that the Russian government is constantly trying to organize a cease-fire, truce -- and peace talks, in search for a political solution. Like the recent ones, still ongoing, in Astana. Doesn't really sound like an indication of 'wanting Syria destroyed', does it.
  130. @War for Blair Mountain
    I am not interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories...Chomsky's view on 9/11 is intellectually sound.

    9/11 TRUTHERS and JFK TRUTHERS are a cancer on intellectual discourse....

    At this moment in time, why would you come to the defense of the kike Chomsky? You are giving aid to the enemy, numbnut.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Well you know..I did take a course on compiler theory and learned about the Chomsky hierarchy...Noam ain't stupid you know.....


    Chomsky has his ethnic allegiances...and I have mine...and these respective allegiances are irreconcilable.


    Chomsky keeps blathering on about Syrian Democratic opposition...who would they be?


    He also uses the Syrian White Helmuts as an oracle on Assad and Russian atrocities.


    Chomsky has very recently called for the partitioning of Syria with the US Military playing a positive role. This is pure Yinon plan for Syria...And I have no doubt Chomsky is enthusiastic about a Yinon Plan for the US. Richard Spencer ought to think very carefully about his White enthnostate surrounded by Greater China within the borders of the nation formely known as America.
  131. @Thales the Milesian
    There will be no confrontation with Russia.

    The boss (US) thunders; Putin tucks his tail behind his hind legs and yelps, like a beaten cur.

    Good prose, shades of Jack London!

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  132. @Bayan
    Russia will not go for nuclear war over Syria. I see it differently. It is like this:

    When Israel wants to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia has the option of moving her body out of the way or suck it up. Wherever Russia chooses to stall herself in Syria it accepts Israeli bombing with her hands on her mouth. No complaints are heard. Putin worshipers in the West- righties and lefties- follow suit and keep their mouths shut.

    When America desires to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia is given time to choose where to put her body in Syria. Unlike in the case of Israeli bombings that Russia accepts graciously, it pretends to dislike American actions. It goes to the UN and blubbers something. Mercifully, democratic America respects the choice of Russia to shut up or blubber at the UN. Putin worshipers in the West take their cue from Moscow and scream their heads off.

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country. They are adamant that the job be subcontracted to Russia and Assad. They give the impression that they arranged the contract, and go nuts when they feel that their cuts may be eroded.

    Whitney and his gang at counterpunch want Americans to protest against Trump on this issue. But if a people in a third world country rebel against a dictator they label them terrorist. The right to rebel is exclusively American; the peasants of the world must worship their dictators. No demonstration, strikes or rebellion can occur in these countries without the stirring hands of the CIA. The people have zero agency. And it is ok to exterminate a rebellious population using guns, artillery, tanks, planes, and perhaps chemical weapons.

    I did not see a single article about the suffering of the people of Syria written by friends of Putin.

    Whitney and Co. are blinded by the actual or potential trade they can make with states. So in their minds only states and their rivalry exist. There is no such thing as people’s interest independent of their states.

    Anyways let’s go with the flow:

    Avanti Counterpunchie ur-Fascism!!!

    What kind of a mixed-up bot are you? Not one who reads much, apparently. Maybe you and Miss Prissy can rent a room with Netflix together.

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    • Replies: @Parbes
    He is a Central Asian or Turkish-origin Islamist (judging by his name), who hates Assad because he is a "secular dictator" and not a sharia dictator.

    In other words - pure scum.

    , @Bayan
    When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. You don’t run to the library, or go to some rightie or leftie site searching for wisdom. You don’t let your literacy destroy your humanity.
  133. @Corvinus
    "However, only a fool or a willfully blind person would fail to note that individual Jews exercise an extraordinarily disproportionate level of control over politics in the USA and the Jews who do this are almost invariably Zionist fanatics."

    Yes, I am fully aware of the Jewish menace, I mean presence. And so what if they are heavily invested in our political and cultural systems? No different than powerful whites or other minorities, or the Alt Right, who all seek to influence our society in a particular direction.

    "At recent AIPAC meetings Zionist Jew plutocrats like Saban and Adelson openly bragged about the lock they have on US foreign policy through their coordinated bipartisan political contributions and openly vowed to increase their control. This is not idle braggadocio."

    So, what are YOU prepared to do about this dire situation? Does not this elitist threat command direct action on YOUR part?

    "Netanayahu recently strong-armed the US into an enormous ten-year increase in aid to Israel even as he accelerated Israel’s belligerent violations of international law and continued working to counter US policies in the Near East, e.g., regarding Iran."

    It's called negotiations, the same tactics used by Trump to get what he wants. And isn't one of Trump's daughters married to a Jew? How dare she try to consolidate the family's wealth and power!

    "Aiding and abetting the enormous, coordinated bribes that individual American Jews pay US politicians to support policies that favor Israel’s interests over those of the US are that clacking gaggle of Jews that call themselves neocons."

    In the same manner that Trump and his business cronies, and the other "corporatists" in our country operate--they haggle and finagle. There is no observable difference here.

    "Occasionally, like David Brooks, these folks send their kids to an IDF day camp where they can safely work up their pro-Israeli jingoism safely learning how to bully Palestinians."

    Now, I do agree with you that Palestinians have been significantly mistreated by Israel and deserve their own homeland. But are not Palestinians "dirty Muslims who are terrorists"? Why should we help them gain their own state?

    "With rare exceptions they do not hide how they despise the young men and women in the US armed forces whom they send out to die for a foreign country’s interests."

    That's a generalization on your part.

    "Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc."

    The horror! No different than if there was another group of people in charge. You act as if Jews are unilaterally destroying our nation. That is yet another generalization.

    "America and Russia do, of course, utilize various louche techniques to forward their interests. But Israel also does so and far more effectively."

    Yes, yes, yes, the Jewish boogeyman. Boo!

    "Without this support Israel would be forced into much more civilized behavior."

    Please define this concept of "more civilized behavior" for the viewing audience.

    "(1) Whose military budget is 10 times larger than the other’s, Russia or the US?"

    "(2) Who’s repudiated arms reduction treaties to station nuclear tipped missiles within easy range of whose country, Russia or the US?"

    (3) Who’s stationed armies and fleets on the borders of whose country, Russia or the US?

    It's called protecting our national security interests.

    "(4) Who’s staged coups against legitimately elected governments (EU and USA certified) in bordering nation, Russia or the US?""

    Historically, both nations.

    Beyond this, individual Jews own and control most of the news and entertainment media in this country, e.g., the NYT, WSJ, LAT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS, Disney, etc., etc.”

    Completely corrupt and complicit in the rigging of the DNC.

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  134. @Cali
    @Mr. Whitney: Superb reporting!

    "Managed Chaos" - Washington policy in a nutshell! Well - that too is not applicable any longer because now it turned into a 'Managed Clusterf$ck" by the Deep State and it's favorite poodle like McCain, Merkel and others throughout Europe so giddy at the moment appreciating the bombing by DT.

    No doubt that this was a false flag and said Sarin gas was used by the Deep State sponsored moderate rebels Al Nusra/ISIS rather than Assad who had no reason at all to use it against his own citizens. The Deep State has become so sloppy in their desperation as well as predictable.
    The problem is that they don't care who and how many innocent people the kill in the process to reach their goal while dead people are just collateral damage in their scheme of things.

    Their mission statement is as follows: Out of chaos comes order!

    The decision made by DT et al being goaded into the bombing changes things for those of us who thought him to be understanding of the game the Deep State has been playing for years - destabilizing one country after another leaving vacuums that is filled by demonic savages.

    Consider the engineered coups over the last 8+ years: Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Honduras, Ukraine, Iraq and Syria although incomplete mainly because Obama and Hillary running out of time after Putin entered the fray.
    Time will tell what comes next out of the DT administration: either they continue the agenda of the Deep State or if they intent to take that Deep State apart one domino at the time which takes understanding and determination regardless of risks that may also end in assassination(s)!
    Half of the American citizenry is well aware now based on the beauty of the internet that has all the information one need to understand who really holds the power ergo agenda because the whale in DC it's not it!
    There is also no doubt that the Deep State feels panicked having lost the power to dominate what their propaganda outlets want Americans to know and shape their minds all-the-while continuing to move closer to the one-world-order. Half of the American public is on to them thanks to last election and exposure of the US Pravda.

    “ORDO AB CHAO”
    ‘A Latin expression, meaning Order out of Chaos. A motto of the Thirty-third Degree, and having the same allusion as lux e tenebris, which see in this work. The invention of this motto is to be attributed to the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite at Charleston, and it is first met with in the Patent of Count de Grasse, dated February 1, 1802. When De Grasse afterward carried the Rite over to France and established a Supreme Council there, he changed the motto, and, according to Lenning, Ordo ab hoc, Order out of This, was used by him and his Council in all their documents. If so, it was simply a blunder’.
    - Source: Mackey’s Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

    The Scottish Rite was introduced in America by the French (Portuguese?) Jew Etienne Morin and Portuguese-Dutch Jew Isaac da Costa.

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    Hello Seraphim,
    I’m considering whether to read a book about masonry, and I have two points of interest:
    1) how they work/network today. (I saw that Hollande went to the 100th anniversary of their chapter, which is flexing their power in an election year, and that piqued my interest).
    2) whether they had a verifiable hand in the French Revolution.

    Would you have a recommendation for either point? Something short is better, and it could be in french. Thank you kindly.
  135. @Mao Cheng Ji

    The unstoppable force is fast approaching the immovable object.
     
    Oh, dear. Hopefully this idiom overstates a bit: not quite unstoppable, nor exactly immovable...

    No such thing as an unstoppable force.
    Russia has proved itself an immovable object.

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  136. @Beefcake the Mighty
    So what's your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right? (Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)

    Yes/no? And what's this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of "going out and doing something"? Why the hell do you even care?

    “So what’s your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right?”

    Of course. The problem is that some people believe that Jews control the world, lament how they control the world, claim something must be done so they no longer control the world…and sit on their hands and do not act.

    “(Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)”

    As if non-Jews were in “power” and their gains wouldn’t come at the expense of Jews? Please, spare us.

    “Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?”

    If those people who claim that elitists and Jews are destroying America, and they don’t actually do something about it, they are just as guilty in contributing to our decline as a nation.

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  137. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Now you're just getting silly, I assume out of desperation.

    If you wish to pooh-pooh the disproportionate and destructive Zionist influence on US foreign policy then why bother taking umbrage at people who point it out.

    More civilized behavior on the part of Israel might include (1) adhering to international law, e.g., ending occupation of lands outside its internationally recognized borders and ceasing the continued dispossession and occupation of Palestinian land with illegal "settlements", (2) ending the constant persecution of Palestinians within and without Israel, and (3) ceasing the constant assassination of civilians in Iran and other countries. As an American I'd also like to see Israel butt out of US politics.

    The USA has gone way beyond protecting its national interests. Any military activity of the US outside of the Americas is exactly the kind of imperialism and foreign entanglements that Washington and Adams pere and fils warned us against; so did Eisenhower for that matter. A military that is significantly larger than the combined militaries of the next ten largest military powers is not just a threat to the rest of the world and world peace; it is a cancerous exfoliation of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against and exactly the kind of imperial over-reach that destroyed the Hapsburgs. Needless and purposeless provocations against Russia on its very borders have the potential to lead to a that would destroy the US. The US military complex and the control neocons and Zionists exercise over it have actually become an existential threat to the United States.

    Trump's seduction by the neocons and Zionists have convinced me that participation in the country's political system is no longer a useful option. When a fruitful alternative presents itself I'll avail myself of it. Until then I'll ignore the establishment as much as possible.

    I'm curious why you are so anxious to goad me into going further than this but I don't really care to hear your answer. People like you are part of the problem so there's no use arguing with you.

    “If you wish to pooh-pooh the disproportionate and destructive Zionist influence on US foreign policy then why bother taking umbrage at people who point it out.”

    There is always going to be “disproportionate and destructive” influence by any group on our foreign policy matters, whether it be Jews or non-Jews. You can point out all you want about Zionism, but in typical confirmation bias form, you overgeneralize this threat.

    “More civilized behavior on the part of Israel might include (1) adhering to international law, e.g., ending occupation of lands outside its internationally recognized borders and ceasing the continued dispossession and occupation of Palestinian land with illegal “settlements”,”

    Agreed.

    “(2) ending the constant persecution of Palestinians within and without Israel,”

    Agreed.

    “and (3) ceasing the constant assassination of civilians in Iran and other countries.”

    That is civilized conduct reflective of ANY government; the purpose being to protect their global and domestic interests.

    “As an American I’d also like to see Israel butt out of US politics.”

    I would also like to see the Alt Right, the race realists, and the Russians remain out of US politics as well.

    “The USA has gone way beyond protecting its national interests. Any military activity of the US outside of the Americas is exactly the kind of imperialism and foreign entanglements that Washington and Adams pere and fils warned us against; so did Eisenhower for that matter.”

    Invade the world and invite the world was a European creation, with American assistance in its expansion. Pandora ain’t going back into that box ever. Remember, the “West” desired to expand their financial philosophies and cultural ways.

    “A military that is significantly larger than the combined militaries of the next ten largest military powers is not just a threat to the rest of the world and world peace; it is a cancerous exfoliation of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against and exactly the kind of imperial over-reach that destroyed the Hapsburgs.”

    So how do YOU propose to stop this scourge? What are YOU willing to do?

    “Trump’s seduction by the neocons and Zionists have convinced me that participation in the country’s political system is no longer a useful option. When a fruitful alternative presents itself I’ll avail myself of it. Until then I’ll ignore the establishment as much as possible.”

    Exactly. You are part of the problem by claiming there is no “fruitful alternative”. Let the cancer grow by “ignoring the establishment”.

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  138. @Sergey Krieger
    You really do not get it. While USA location allows her to create chaos elsewhere without much consequences so far, Russia has no this luxury. Russian history is all about creating order out of chaos and trying to make things as much calm and predictable as possible both in the country and her immediate vicinity. Get yourself world map, have a look and try to think clearly. Learning Russia history would as Trump says tremendously improve your insight.

    “Russian history is all about creating order out of chaos and trying to make things as much calm and predictable as possible both in the country and her immediate vicinity.”

    The conduct of your tsars and your leaders during the Cold War clearly demonstrate otherwise.

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  139. @Philip Owen
    If somebody hit a warehouse then why did the eye witnesses and victims describe bombs falling from the sky? The warehouse is a propaganda story for Assad sympathisers to hand on to. I was a former Assad sympathiser as he seemed the fastest route to peace. But Aleppo apart, the Syrian government hasn't delivered much progress in three years since Russian support arrived. They have not recovered much hostile countryside despite overwhelming air superiority.

    I am not a US citizen but I did buy the argument that Hilary was the war candidate and Trump an isolationist peace candidate and thus to be preferred. I think that he still is despite the removal of Bannon. This attack increases the value of every card in his hand. His unpredictability improves his hand even more. He has claws and he is not afraid to use them. He won't be half hearted even over a Right To Protect. North Korea beware. China beware.

    Trump has shown he has teeth. Now he will use them to smile and talk. He can still be the peace candidate.

    Utter bullshit Trump is what he’s always been one of the 1%,his great wall of Mexico and by God Mexico will pay for it because lets make a deal Trump says so, or its all the lefties liberals and all the rest, its their fault those damn judges anyway but wait all he would have to do issue an executive order stating anyone caught employing an illegal would be fined $25,000 for each offense ,but he won’t because all his business buddies would be harmed no more cheap labor and now of course the attack on Syria, and the real Trump stands up and all those who voted for him are shocked that he’s not what he was suppose to be but he is, you just voted for another Bush another Obama and you may as well admit it you were took outsmarted again…

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    • Replies: @Junior
    I'm not really sure what you're preening and strutting around about as having been proven as a con by Trump from the examples in your statement. The man has not even completed 100 days in office yet. Your claims of a con MAY turn out to be true in the future, but as of yet it's baseless.

    In regards to Mexico paying for the wall, it remains to be seen whether Trump follows through on the plan for us to recoup to make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another through tariffs, taxes on remittance which we may not be able to get all of but we can damn sure try, and other assorted means of pressure that we can use to recoup and stop the government of Mexico from continuing to take advantage of us.

    In regards to this Syria attack, it remains to be seen whether this fireworks display coordinated with Russia and Assad on an empty airstrip was all done for political capital by Trump to keep the Neo-Lib Media and NeoCons at bay and us out of future wars, or whether Trump has indeed gone over to the Dark Side.

    And in regards to E-Verify and Form I-9, here's an article posted below from NumbersUSA that shows another reason why you just might want to slow your roll with the "told you so, even though I don't have any proof yet that it's a con" mentality.

    Pres. Trump called for making improvements to the E-Verify system in order to support a nationwide mandate in his 2018 budget request to Congress. Requiring all employers to use E-Verify is the top step in our 'Ten Steps to Fixing the Broken Immigration Enforcement System'.

    Pres. Trump will need help from Congress, though, in making E-Verify mandatory for all employers. First, his request to set aside $15 million to make improvements to the system is just that -- a request. Congress would need to make it official by including it in its FY18 DHS spending bill. Furthermore, requiring all employers to use the employment verification system would require legislation from Congress.

    But budget requests tend to be clues to what an administration's legislative priorities are, and it appears that mandatory E-Verify is a priority for the Trump administration.

     

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/trump-budget-lays-groundwork-national-e-verify

    Again, you may turn out to be right in the end and a lot of that depends on Congress but for now, it's still up in the air.
  140. @Bayan
    Russia will not go for nuclear war over Syria. I see it differently. It is like this:

    When Israel wants to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia has the option of moving her body out of the way or suck it up. Wherever Russia chooses to stall herself in Syria it accepts Israeli bombing with her hands on her mouth. No complaints are heard. Putin worshipers in the West- righties and lefties- follow suit and keep their mouths shut.

    When America desires to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia is given time to choose where to put her body in Syria. Unlike in the case of Israeli bombings that Russia accepts graciously, it pretends to dislike American actions. It goes to the UN and blubbers something. Mercifully, democratic America respects the choice of Russia to shut up or blubber at the UN. Putin worshipers in the West take their cue from Moscow and scream their heads off.

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country. They are adamant that the job be subcontracted to Russia and Assad. They give the impression that they arranged the contract, and go nuts when they feel that their cuts may be eroded.

    Whitney and his gang at counterpunch want Americans to protest against Trump on this issue. But if a people in a third world country rebel against a dictator they label them terrorist. The right to rebel is exclusively American; the peasants of the world must worship their dictators. No demonstration, strikes or rebellion can occur in these countries without the stirring hands of the CIA. The people have zero agency. And it is ok to exterminate a rebellious population using guns, artillery, tanks, planes, and perhaps chemical weapons.

    I did not see a single article about the suffering of the people of Syria written by friends of Putin.

    Whitney and Co. are blinded by the actual or potential trade they can make with states. So in their minds only states and their rivalry exist. There is no such thing as people’s interest independent of their states.

    Anyways let’s go with the flow:

    Avanti Counterpunchie ur-Fascism!!!

    The “rebels” in Syria aren’t some organic, legitimate group, they’re foreign mercenaries sent in and supported by the West. There are differing factions (e.g. those supported by the DoD vs. the CIA/Mossad), but they’re no kind of grassroots Syrian uprising.

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  141. @RobinG
    What kind of a mixed-up bot are you? Not one who reads much, apparently. Maybe you and Miss Prissy can rent a room with Netflix together.

    He is a Central Asian or Turkish-origin Islamist (judging by his name), who hates Assad because he is a “secular dictator” and not a sharia dictator.

    In other words – pure scum.

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  142. @Bayan
    Russia will not go for nuclear war over Syria. I see it differently. It is like this:

    When Israel wants to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia has the option of moving her body out of the way or suck it up. Wherever Russia chooses to stall herself in Syria it accepts Israeli bombing with her hands on her mouth. No complaints are heard. Putin worshipers in the West- righties and lefties- follow suit and keep their mouths shut.

    When America desires to bomb Syria it gives notice to Russia and proceeds. Russia is given time to choose where to put her body in Syria. Unlike in the case of Israeli bombings that Russia accepts graciously, it pretends to dislike American actions. It goes to the UN and blubbers something. Mercifully, democratic America respects the choice of Russia to shut up or blubber at the UN. Putin worshipers in the West take their cue from Moscow and scream their heads off.

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country. They are adamant that the job be subcontracted to Russia and Assad. They give the impression that they arranged the contract, and go nuts when they feel that their cuts may be eroded.

    Whitney and his gang at counterpunch want Americans to protest against Trump on this issue. But if a people in a third world country rebel against a dictator they label them terrorist. The right to rebel is exclusively American; the peasants of the world must worship their dictators. No demonstration, strikes or rebellion can occur in these countries without the stirring hands of the CIA. The people have zero agency. And it is ok to exterminate a rebellious population using guns, artillery, tanks, planes, and perhaps chemical weapons.

    I did not see a single article about the suffering of the people of Syria written by friends of Putin.

    Whitney and Co. are blinded by the actual or potential trade they can make with states. So in their minds only states and their rivalry exist. There is no such thing as people’s interest independent of their states.

    Anyways let’s go with the flow:

    Avanti Counterpunchie ur-Fascism!!!

    What is it Putin worshipers screaming about? They do want Syria destroyed; the screaming it seems is about who should destroy that country.

    I don’t know what “Putin worshipers screaming about”, but I do know that the Russian government is constantly trying to organize a cease-fire, truce — and peace talks, in search for a political solution. Like the recent ones, still ongoing, in Astana. Doesn’t really sound like an indication of ‘wanting Syria destroyed’, does it.

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  143. Okay, I just started listening to this from independent journalist Cernovich. Worth a listen, IMO, though very alarming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0RQ8xe6neE

    Seems to fit with info in this video below (apparently, people across Europe were noting massive movement of military equipment that ended up in Beirut)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pjEdHH0Jys

    Also, fwiw, interesting audio with F. William Engdahl on Syria posted here https://soundcloud.com/21wire
    The audio gets into detail of the huge oil find in Golan Heights (apparently 10x the normal size of finds) and goes over all the big names on the Board of Directors of this Genie Oil (Cheney, Rothschilds and others). Also talked about how Israel was working with the terrorists in Syria and somehow got them to drive out the UN “peace keepers” based in Golan Heights.

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  144. “The conduct of your tsars and your leaders during the Cold War clearly demonstrate otherwise.”

    Absolutely groundless rhetoric on your part. Could you provide examples of Russia creating managed chaos as it looks yo think Russia has been doing?
    If I remember correctly USA and UK were planning to attack USSR from the moment WW@ was over and invented Soviet threat to justify own belligerent behavior.
    I think your knowledge of Russian history approaches zero. Whatever you know or you might think you know is pure garbage from Western propaganda efforts spanning decades.

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  145. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY

    Thanks for sharing, Anon.

    The video you linked to is an interview of Larry Wilkerson by Paul Jay:

    Former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, tells Paul Jay that the Syrian Government may not be responsible for the chemical attack and that Trump’s response was a violation of international law. 

    But in addition to sham chemical attack, Wilkerson goes further, and @17:42 he states:

    We’re talking about people like Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Douglas Feith and a host of these other people, Dick Cheney. These people lie, cheat, steal, they will do anything to get what they think is necessary. And at the bottom of most of what they think is necessary is protecting Israel. I’ve got news for them. They’re setting up, we’re setting up, we’re creating, in the ME… and I’ve said this and I will say it again and again, until I got to go to my grave and that won’t be a short time away… we’re setting up a condition where Israel is going to cease to exist. We are creating the most dangerous situation, along with Netanyahu (he is giving us a lot of help) the most dangerous possible situation for Israel in that region of the world. Because at the end of the day when Israel is sinking we are not going to her rescue because we will be in the process of sinking ourselves.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Wilkerson is solid. Thanks for that excerpt, Geo.

    This chat with Steele actually made me feel there might be some reason to hope. Besides being entertaining, he has lots of good points.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE - THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - #DRAINTHESWAMP
    "Trump can still be one of the greatest Presidents of all time if he does not succumb to the globalist establishment. "
  146. Hello Seraphim,
    I’m considering whether to read a book about masonry, and I have two points of interest:
    1) how they work/network today. (I saw that Hollande went to the 100th anniversary of a chapter, and that piqued my interest).
    2) whether they had a verifiable hand in the French Revolution.

    Would you have a recommendation for either point? Something short is better, and it could be in french. Thank you kindly.

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  147. @Corvinus
    "So what’s your problem, then? If Jews are justified in seeking political power to further their interests, then there can be nothing wrong with non-Jews opposing them in this, right?"

    Of course. The problem is that some people believe that Jews control the world, lament how they control the world, claim something must be done so they no longer control the world...and sit on their hands and do not act.

    "(Politics generally being a zero-sum game, Jewish gains typically come at the expense of non-Jews.)"

    As if non-Jews were in "power" and their gains wouldn't come at the expense of Jews? Please, spare us.

    "Yes/no? And what’s this crap you keep bringing up about people posting here instead of “going out and doing something”? Why the hell do you even care?"

    If those people who claim that elitists and Jews are destroying America, and they don't actually do something about it, they are just as guilty in contributing to our decline as a nation.

    Uhh, who here believes Jews “control the world”?

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Uhh, who here believes Jews “control the world”?"

    [Laughs] that's a knee slapper. Just peruse the comments here on this site and you have a host of individuals who share that sentiment.
  148. @geokat62
    Thanks for sharing, Anon.

    The video you linked to is an interview of Larry Wilkerson by Paul Jay:

    Former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, tells Paul Jay that the Syrian Government may not be responsible for the chemical attack and that Trump's response was a violation of international law. 
     
    But in addition to sham chemical attack, Wilkerson goes further, and @17:42 he states:

    We're talking about people like Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Douglas Feith and a host of these other people, Dick Cheney. These people lie, cheat, steal, they will do anything to get what they think is necessary. And at the bottom of most of what they think is necessary is protecting Israel. I've got news for them. They're setting up, we're setting up, we're creating, in the ME... and I've said this and I will say it again and again, until I got to go to my grave and that won't be a short time away... we're setting up a condition where Israel is going to cease to exist. We are creating the most dangerous situation, along with Netanyahu (he is giving us a lot of help) the most dangerous possible situation for Israel in that region of the world. Because at the end of the day when Israel is sinking we are not going to her rescue because we will be in the process of sinking ourselves.
     

    Wilkerson is solid. Thanks for that excerpt, Geo.

    This chat with Steele actually made me feel there might be some reason to hope. Besides being entertaining, he has lots of good points.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE – THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY – #DRAINTHESWAMP
    “Trump can still be one of the greatest Presidents of all time if he does not succumb to the globalist establishment. “

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  149. @Amanda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqd-flHwHc

    NOTE: This interview was recorded in the hours BEFORE Trump bomber Syria, or it would have been discussed. In this conversation with Andy Hoffman we discuss the Russia and China's rapid move away from the Dollar and toward gold. It will soon be judgment day for the Petro-dollar.

    I think TPTB/Central Bankers are deliberately setting us up for WW3 w/Russia and/or China b/c they are breaking away from their fake, money printed from thin air, Federal Reserve System

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-05/real-reason-federal-government-have-been-keen-blame-russia-everything (this has been going on throughout history: any nation that breaks free or threatens the oligarchy controlling the money supply gets targeted--online documentary "All Wars are Bankers Wars" documents this.


    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt. I think there is a legal concept of Odious Debt that applies. Plus it's fraudulent debt in that it's just money printed from thin air.

    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt.

    Yup.

    Let those who signed for it, and those who were eager to lend take the risk. I myself never approved of one cent of it, nor would I have ever considered doing so, so why should I and folks like me pay?

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Why don't we go one step further..


    Why don't we MAKE them pay ?

    President trump said this is a revolution...and its up to us..the American People to tell him what we want.........

    So lets give him a running start.......A "petition"...signed by 200 million Americans strong to be passed into law by EXECUTIVE ORDER...and ratified by the SUPREME COURT with the utmost urgency.

    " THE BELLIGERENT BILLIONAIRE OLIGARCH AND MEDIA MOGUL -WAR TAX."

    {Since you gentlemen(and you know who you are) believed SO MUCH in initiating these WARS of AGGRESSION fifteen years ago that you were willing to DEFRAUD the American People into starting to them...We KNOW...., out of your great patriotism and love of country....you are willing to give over ALL your ASSETS to the cause of paying down the twenty trillion dollar debt your lies created.}

    We, the American people appreciate you total cooperation in this "beautiful" endeavor.
    You are GREAT patriots...one and all.

    you may make a check for the TOTAL AMOUNT of your NET WORTH to :

    President Donald Trump.
    White House.
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,
    Washington, DC 20500

    Now don't SKIMP....(he has A LIST)...
    and besides...until our national debt clock reads ZERO...its a long way to go.

    Thank you for your dedication and your service to our country.

    Sincerely,

    The American People.

    "

  150. @jacques sheete

    @Alexander- The American people should not pay for this debt.
     
    Yup.

    Let those who signed for it, and those who were eager to lend take the risk. I myself never approved of one cent of it, nor would I have ever considered doing so, so why should I and folks like me pay?

    Why don’t we go one step further..

    Why don’t we MAKE them pay ?

    President trump said this is a revolution…and its up to us..the American People to tell him what we want………

    So lets give him a running start…….A “petition”…signed by 200 million Americans strong to be passed into law by EXECUTIVE ORDER…and ratified by the SUPREME COURT with the utmost urgency.

    ” THE BELLIGERENT BILLIONAIRE OLIGARCH AND MEDIA MOGUL -WAR TAX.”

    {Since you gentlemen(and you know who you are) believed SO MUCH in initiating these WARS of AGGRESSION fifteen years ago that you were willing to DEFRAUD the American People into starting to them…We KNOW…., out of your great patriotism and love of country….you are willing to give over ALL your ASSETS to the cause of paying down the twenty trillion dollar debt your lies created.}

    We, the American people appreciate you total cooperation in this “beautiful” endeavor.
    You are GREAT patriots…one and all.

    you may make a check for the TOTAL AMOUNT of your NET WORTH to :

    President Donald Trump.
    White House.
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,
    Washington, DC 20500

    Now don’t SKIMP….(he has A LIST)…
    and besides…until our national debt clock reads ZERO…its a long way to go.

    Thank you for your dedication and your service to our country.

    Sincerely,

    The American People.

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Do that only get 3 million to sign it and Trump would fight it until the very end ,for you see thru the smoke and mirrors they are his class and believe me he won't be a traitor to those..
  151. @alexander
    Why don't we go one step further..


    Why don't we MAKE them pay ?

    President trump said this is a revolution...and its up to us..the American People to tell him what we want.........

    So lets give him a running start.......A "petition"...signed by 200 million Americans strong to be passed into law by EXECUTIVE ORDER...and ratified by the SUPREME COURT with the utmost urgency.

    " THE BELLIGERENT BILLIONAIRE OLIGARCH AND MEDIA MOGUL -WAR TAX."

    {Since you gentlemen(and you know who you are) believed SO MUCH in initiating these WARS of AGGRESSION fifteen years ago that you were willing to DEFRAUD the American People into starting to them...We KNOW...., out of your great patriotism and love of country....you are willing to give over ALL your ASSETS to the cause of paying down the twenty trillion dollar debt your lies created.}

    We, the American people appreciate you total cooperation in this "beautiful" endeavor.
    You are GREAT patriots...one and all.

    you may make a check for the TOTAL AMOUNT of your NET WORTH to :

    President Donald Trump.
    White House.
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,
    Washington, DC 20500

    Now don't SKIMP....(he has A LIST)...
    and besides...until our national debt clock reads ZERO...its a long way to go.

    Thank you for your dedication and your service to our country.

    Sincerely,

    The American People.

    "

    Do that only get 3 million to sign it and Trump would fight it until the very end ,for you see thru the smoke and mirrors they are his class and believe me he won’t be a traitor to those..

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  152. @RobinG
    What kind of a mixed-up bot are you? Not one who reads much, apparently. Maybe you and Miss Prissy can rent a room with Netflix together.

    When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. You don’t run to the library, or go to some rightie or leftie site searching for wisdom. You don’t let your literacy destroy your humanity.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    How about the appalling humanitarian crisis the Saudis, with full US support, have inflicted upon Yemen? Why don't the Americans get upset about that?
    , @Avery
    {When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. }

    Which dictator has supposedly killed children using Chemical weapons?

    The Ghouta chemical attack of 2013, initially blamed on Assad/SAA (...of course), was proven to be the work of ISIS. The chemicals were supplied to ISIS by/via Turkey with the help of Turkish intelligence.

    And, Yes, Syrian children have been killed, inadvertently, as a result of Syrian Arab Army and Air Force actions. On the other hand, your Islamofascist cannibalistic ISIS buddies deliberately murder and massacre entire Alawite villages, for example: old men, women, children. Everybody.

    People of Syria - Sunni, Alawite, Christian, Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Assyrian - were living in harmony until foreign terrorists, aided and abetted by Turkey, US, UK, France, KSA, Qatar, Israel, etc, etc - invaded and started the cycle of bloodshed.

    Whatever inadvertent deaths of Syrian civilians have happened as a result of the action of SAA are on the Islamofascist invaders and their sponsors: they started it, not Assad.

    , @MEexpert
    Bayan:

    You must be living in a bubble. Have you forgotten the murdering Saudi wahhabis killing and starving children in Yemen? Or the Bahrainis, the brave General al-Sisi in Egypt, and the murdering and starving children American zionist-neocons? But l will let you start with those infidel Saudis who also hang their own children.

    How about it, Bayan?
  153. OMG,

    Jacques….

    We didn’t even have to sign the petition….because the money is FLOODING IN…

    Sheldon Adelson, in his TOTAL DEDICATION to our COUNTRY…..just cut a check for 50 Billion..his ENTIRE NET WORTH….to pay down our war debt.

    Wonderful.

    The Sulzberger family, the owners of the N.Y.Times….just cut a check for 98 million….and Jeff Bezos…owner of the Washington Post…..just furnished a Cashiers check..to the American people .for 3.2 billion…..

    Fantastic.!

    Senator John McCain just dedicated his entire family fortune (including his wife’s) to paying down the twenty trillion WAR DEBT.

    How heroic !

    What a true American Patriot !

    Look at this….Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Judith Miller, William Kristol, the Kagan family and the billionaire Haim Saban..as well as all the owners of CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC..have surrendered every penny of their collective assets…to altruistically pay down our 20 trillion WAR DEBT….

    They are so dedicated…so Valiant….. I am overwhelmed at their selflessness…aren’t you ?

    They are willing to give up EVERY PENNY they have ….to the war cause they believed in….Isn’t it wonderful !

    I feel so much better now…don’t you ?

    They are taking TOTAL responsibility for the war debt they created…

    I am so proud of them all….aren’t you ?

    More to come…because the CHECKS keep flying in…I am talking hundreds of billions in family fortunes all selflessly GIVEN UP…to pay down this Heinous war debt.

    I am crying now, at their complete dedication to our national interest…..my heart is glowing…isn’t yours ?

    Its a proud day, Jacques….It truly is.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Of course the Middle Eastern wars are about personal fortunes:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/united-nations-confirmed-that-us-supported-rebels-were-using-chemical-weapons/5583988
    "The United Nations in a 2013 report confirms that Syrian opposition “rebels” (supported by Washington) “may have used chemical weapons against [Syrian] government forces.”
    The UN report refutes Washington’s allegations that the government of Bashar al Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people. What the UN mission findings confirm is that the US sponsored opposition “rebels” largely composed of Al Qaeda affiliated groups, financed and supported by the Western military alliance were responsible for these 2013 chemical weapons attacks. Moreover, as confirmed in an earlier report, the Al Qaeda rebels were being trained in the use of chemical weapons by specialists on contract to the Pentagon."
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178
  154. @Bayan
    When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. You don’t run to the library, or go to some rightie or leftie site searching for wisdom. You don’t let your literacy destroy your humanity.

    How about the appalling humanitarian crisis the Saudis, with full US support, have inflicted upon Yemen? Why don’t the Americans get upset about that?

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Because America is about politics and self-promotion. Exhibit No 1, the famously "progressive" Elizabeth Warren is just another whoring politician hungry for power: Sen. Elizabeth Warren agreed that “the Syrian regime must be held accountable for this horrific act.” How does she know who is accountable for the images provided by the "moderate jihadis?" Via an astrologer? Warren is joined the House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz who tweeted: "God bless the USA!" (is this imbecile aware of the US Constitution?)
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/lawmakers-praise-and-condemn-us-airstrikes-against-syria?utm_term=.bjO98Ewd21#.loqKBdADaz

    There are still some decent Americans in the government: US Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, "This Administration has acted recklessly without care or consideration of the dire consequences of the United States attack on Syria without waiting for the collection of evidence from the scene of the chemical poisoning."

  155. @Bayan
    When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. You don’t run to the library, or go to some rightie or leftie site searching for wisdom. You don’t let your literacy destroy your humanity.

    {When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. }

    Which dictator has supposedly killed children using Chemical weapons?

    The Ghouta chemical attack of 2013, initially blamed on Assad/SAA (…of course), was proven to be the work of ISIS. The chemicals were supplied to ISIS by/via Turkey with the help of Turkish intelligence.

    And, Yes, Syrian children have been killed, inadvertently, as a result of Syrian Arab Army and Air Force actions. On the other hand, your Islamofascist cannibalistic ISIS buddies deliberately murder and massacre entire Alawite villages, for example: old men, women, children. Everybody.

    People of Syria – Sunni, Alawite, Christian, Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Assyrian – were living in harmony until foreign terrorists, aided and abetted by Turkey, US, UK, France, KSA, Qatar, Israel, etc, etc – invaded and started the cycle of bloodshed.

    Whatever inadvertent deaths of Syrian civilians have happened as a result of the action of SAA are on the Islamofascist invaders and their sponsors: they started it, not Assad.

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  156. @Beefcake the Mighty
    How about the appalling humanitarian crisis the Saudis, with full US support, have inflicted upon Yemen? Why don't the Americans get upset about that?

    Because America is about politics and self-promotion. Exhibit No 1, the famously “progressive” Elizabeth Warren is just another whoring politician hungry for power: Sen. Elizabeth Warren agreed that “the Syrian regime must be held accountable for this horrific act.” How does she know who is accountable for the images provided by the “moderate jihadis?” Via an astrologer? Warren is joined the House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz who tweeted: “God bless the USA!” (is this imbecile aware of the US Constitution?)
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/lawmakers-praise-and-condemn-us-airstrikes-against-syria?utm_term=.bjO98Ewd21#.loqKBdADaz

    There are still some decent Americans in the government: US Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, “This Administration has acted recklessly without care or consideration of the dire consequences of the United States attack on Syria without waiting for the collection of evidence from the scene of the chemical poisoning.”

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Don't forget that dirty old phony Bernie Sanders.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlSRVWAP5Ns
    BERNIE SANDERS FULL ONE-ON-ONE EXPLOSIVE INTERVIEW WITH CHUCK TODD - MEET THE PRESS (4/9/2017)
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Ah yes, the squaw Elizabeth Warren. Like Sanders her progressive principles take a back seat when the IDF's annual "contribution" comes up.

    Agreed, Tulsi Gabbard is great, wish there were more like her in the US government. Sad how useless Rand Paul was, given his heroic father, but he is starting to make noises, maybe there is some hope there as well.
  157. @Stonehands
    At this moment in time, why would you come to the defense of the kike Chomsky? You are giving aid to the enemy, numbnut.

    Well you know..I did take a course on compiler theory and learned about the Chomsky hierarchy…Noam ain’t stupid you know…..

    Chomsky has his ethnic allegiances…and I have mine…and these respective allegiances are irreconcilable.

    Chomsky keeps blathering on about Syrian Democratic opposition…who would they be?

    He also uses the Syrian White Helmuts as an oracle on Assad and Russian atrocities.

    Chomsky has very recently called for the partitioning of Syria with the US Military playing a positive role. This is pure Yinon plan for Syria…And I have no doubt Chomsky is enthusiastic about a Yinon Plan for the US. Richard Spencer ought to think very carefully about his White enthnostate surrounded by Greater China within the borders of the nation formely known as America.

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  158. @annamaria
    Because America is about politics and self-promotion. Exhibit No 1, the famously "progressive" Elizabeth Warren is just another whoring politician hungry for power: Sen. Elizabeth Warren agreed that “the Syrian regime must be held accountable for this horrific act.” How does she know who is accountable for the images provided by the "moderate jihadis?" Via an astrologer? Warren is joined the House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz who tweeted: "God bless the USA!" (is this imbecile aware of the US Constitution?)
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/lawmakers-praise-and-condemn-us-airstrikes-against-syria?utm_term=.bjO98Ewd21#.loqKBdADaz

    There are still some decent Americans in the government: US Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, "This Administration has acted recklessly without care or consideration of the dire consequences of the United States attack on Syria without waiting for the collection of evidence from the scene of the chemical poisoning."

    Don’t forget that dirty old phony Bernie Sanders.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlSRVWAP5Ns
    BERNIE SANDERS FULL ONE-ON-ONE EXPLOSIVE INTERVIEW WITH CHUCK TODD – MEET THE PRESS (4/9/2017)

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  159. @unseated
    I hang out with some pretty intelligent people. They almost all believe that the 2013 Ghouta CW attack (Obama's Red Line) was done by Assad. Well perhaps since the NYT has finally declared that this might not have been the case, they may be having doubts, but it is unimportant. The key message that the corporate media get across even to these otherwise intelligent people is that "Assad is a brutal dictator". These intelligent people have conveniently forgotten about the supposed WMD in Iraq, and about the fictions that were promulgated to push for Western action in Libya - a recent British parliamentary report admits that the media view was incorrect. Facts no longer matter, perceptions are being moulded.

    Is Assad stupid? Listen to one of the interviews of him. He comes across as much more intelligent than your average American politician - though that is a low bar.
    As to an investigation, it will come to the conclusion required by whomever is in control.

    Unseated.

    I have no idea how old you are…but when I was fourteen..which was nearly forty years ago…I remember we had these BIG, THICK American history books…which told the tale of our nations history.

    I remember too, over a decade ago, quite profoundly, how we were all told, with absolute concrete certainty..(.the same certainty Americans were told the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor)…That Saddam had launched an Anthrax attack into Senator Leahy’s office and Tom Brokaw’s office.

    I believed it completely.

    Why wouldn’t I ?

    Who would lie about something so horrific ,…so evil ?

    Would you ?

    After we went into Iraq, the narrative that Saddam had launched this Anthrax attack against our capitol and our news rooms collapsed completely…and had been shown to be wholly fraudulent….

    A lie (which I believed to be the truth).

    So the question I have for you, unseated, is what should the history books teach my grandchildren about this bogus anthrax narrative that contributed to our starting the catastrophic Iraq war ?

    What should they be told about it ?

    We KNOW that our media has done everything in its power to exterminate this incident from our memory…because of its wholly fraudulent and deceitful nature…

    The question I have for you ….is what should the history books say about it ?

    Should they exterminate the Saddam anthrax incident,,…because our media lied about what happened ,to push us into war ?

    Is that right ?

    ..AND if they lied about THAT..without any consequence, why aren’t they lying about the
    2013 Assad Sarin gas attack in Ghouta…or the Assad chlorine gas attack four days ago ?

    I consider this ” lying” an act of terror fraud AND war fraud…..why shouldn’t I ? Why shouldn’t you ?

    Is that okay with you ?

    More importantly..what will the history books teach our grandchildren about these moments of deceit..that precipitated trillion dollar wars…and the murder of millions of innocent people ?

    Should our History books censor it ? Should they eliminate these pernicious acts of fraud from the historical record,,,so they can occur again ?

    Ask yourself….what is the story we need to tell our children..and our grandchildren…and why have we left them with an obscene 20 trillion dollar war debt ?..Because we were deceived into war ?

    What will our history books teach our children and our grandchildren about what occurred ?

    Will they be honest enough to tell our grandchildren we we “lied” into war ?

    If not, why not ?

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  160. @annamaria
    Because America is about politics and self-promotion. Exhibit No 1, the famously "progressive" Elizabeth Warren is just another whoring politician hungry for power: Sen. Elizabeth Warren agreed that “the Syrian regime must be held accountable for this horrific act.” How does she know who is accountable for the images provided by the "moderate jihadis?" Via an astrologer? Warren is joined the House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz who tweeted: "God bless the USA!" (is this imbecile aware of the US Constitution?)
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/lawmakers-praise-and-condemn-us-airstrikes-against-syria?utm_term=.bjO98Ewd21#.loqKBdADaz

    There are still some decent Americans in the government: US Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, "This Administration has acted recklessly without care or consideration of the dire consequences of the United States attack on Syria without waiting for the collection of evidence from the scene of the chemical poisoning."

    Ah yes, the squaw Elizabeth Warren. Like Sanders her progressive principles take a back seat when the IDF’s annual “contribution” comes up.

    Agreed, Tulsi Gabbard is great, wish there were more like her in the US government. Sad how useless Rand Paul was, given his heroic father, but he is starting to make noises, maybe there is some hope there as well.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Among the current lunatics and cowards in Congress, Rand Paul appears like a statesman. He has introduced Tulsi's bill, [H.R.608] the Stop Arming Terrorists Act, in the Senate. [S.532]

    Are you in the US? Can you urge your Rep. and Senators to be cosponsors?
  161. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Ah yes, the squaw Elizabeth Warren. Like Sanders her progressive principles take a back seat when the IDF's annual "contribution" comes up.

    Agreed, Tulsi Gabbard is great, wish there were more like her in the US government. Sad how useless Rand Paul was, given his heroic father, but he is starting to make noises, maybe there is some hope there as well.

    Among the current lunatics and cowards in Congress, Rand Paul appears like a statesman. He has introduced Tulsi’s bill, [H.R.608] the Stop Arming Terrorists Act, in the Senate. [S.532]

    Are you in the US? Can you urge your Rep. and Senators to be cosponsors?

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  162. @bluedog
    Utter bullshit Trump is what he's always been one of the 1%,his great wall of Mexico and by God Mexico will pay for it because lets make a deal Trump says so, or its all the lefties liberals and all the rest, its their fault those damn judges anyway but wait all he would have to do issue an executive order stating anyone caught employing an illegal would be fined $25,000 for each offense ,but he won't because all his business buddies would be harmed no more cheap labor and now of course the attack on Syria, and the real Trump stands up and all those who voted for him are shocked that he's not what he was suppose to be but he is, you just voted for another Bush another Obama and you may as well admit it you were took outsmarted again...

    I’m not really sure what you’re preening and strutting around about as having been proven as a con by Trump from the examples in your statement. The man has not even completed 100 days in office yet. Your claims of a con MAY turn out to be true in the future, but as of yet it’s baseless.

    In regards to Mexico paying for the wall, it remains to be seen whether Trump follows through on the plan for us to recoup to make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another through tariffs, taxes on remittance which we may not be able to get all of but we can damn sure try, and other assorted means of pressure that we can use to recoup and stop the government of Mexico from continuing to take advantage of us.

    In regards to this Syria attack, it remains to be seen whether this fireworks display coordinated with Russia and Assad on an empty airstrip was all done for political capital by Trump to keep the Neo-Lib Media and NeoCons at bay and us out of future wars, or whether Trump has indeed gone over to the Dark Side.

    And in regards to E-Verify and Form I-9, here’s an article posted below from NumbersUSA that shows another reason why you just might want to slow your roll with the “told you so, even though I don’t have any proof yet that it’s a con” mentality.

    Pres. Trump called for making improvements to the E-Verify system in order to support a nationwide mandate in his 2018 budget request to Congress. Requiring all employers to use E-Verify is the top step in our ‘Ten Steps to Fixing the Broken Immigration Enforcement System’.

    Pres. Trump will need help from Congress, though, in making E-Verify mandatory for all employers. First, his request to set aside $15 million to make improvements to the system is just that — a request. Congress would need to make it official by including it in its FY18 DHS spending bill. Furthermore, requiring all employers to use the employment verification system would require legislation from Congress.

    But budget requests tend to be clues to what an administration’s legislative priorities are, and it appears that mandatory E-Verify is a priority for the Trump administration.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/trump-budget-lays-groundwork-national-e-verify

    Again, you may turn out to be right in the end and a lot of that depends on Congress but for now, it’s still up in the air.

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    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus) without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons, but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.
    , @RobinG
    Hi Junior,

    What I'd love to see is heads rolling after Trump finds out that he was tricked into bombing the wrong party. [And even if he knew all along that it was a political stunt, he could pretend he didn't, and give them the bums' rush for 'misinforming' him.]

    The first 10 minutes of this video goes right to the point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE - THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - #DRAINTHESWAMP
  163. @alexander
    OMG,

    Jacques....

    We didn't even have to sign the petition....because the money is FLOODING IN...

    Sheldon Adelson, in his TOTAL DEDICATION to our COUNTRY.....just cut a check for 50 Billion..his ENTIRE NET WORTH....to pay down our war debt.

    Wonderful.

    The Sulzberger family, the owners of the N.Y.Times....just cut a check for 98 million....and Jeff Bezos...owner of the Washington Post.....just furnished a Cashiers check..to the American people .for 3.2 billion.....

    Fantastic.!

    Senator John McCain just dedicated his entire family fortune (including his wife's) to paying down the twenty trillion WAR DEBT.

    How heroic !

    What a true American Patriot !

    Look at this....Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Judith Miller, William Kristol, the Kagan family and the billionaire Haim Saban..as well as all the owners of CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC..have surrendered every penny of their collective assets...to altruistically pay down our 20 trillion WAR DEBT....

    They are so dedicated...so Valiant..... I am overwhelmed at their selflessness...aren't you ?

    They are willing to give up EVERY PENNY they have ....to the war cause they believed in....Isn't it wonderful !


    I feel so much better now...don't you ?

    They are taking TOTAL responsibility for the war debt they created...

    I am so proud of them all....aren't you ?

    More to come...because the CHECKS keep flying in...I am talking hundreds of billions in family fortunes all selflessly GIVEN UP...to pay down this Heinous war debt.

    I am crying now, at their complete dedication to our national interest.....my heart is glowing...isn't yours ?

    Its a proud day, Jacques....It truly is.

    Of course the Middle Eastern wars are about personal fortunes:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/united-nations-confirmed-that-us-supported-rebels-were-using-chemical-weapons/5583988
    “The United Nations in a 2013 report confirms that Syrian opposition “rebels” (supported by Washington) “may have used chemical weapons against [Syrian] government forces.”
    The UN report refutes Washington’s allegations that the government of Bashar al Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people. What the UN mission findings confirm is that the US sponsored opposition “rebels” largely composed of Al Qaeda affiliated groups, financed and supported by the Western military alliance were responsible for these 2013 chemical weapons attacks. Moreover, as confirmed in an earlier report, the Al Qaeda rebels were being trained in the use of chemical weapons by specialists on contract to the Pentagon.”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178

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    Hi Annamaria,

    Yes, I am aware of the report. I am also aware of the excellent work Robert Parry did on the subject of the Ghouta Sarin strike in 2013.

    I do not believe any of our disastrous carnage in the middle east would have come to pass had George Bush Jr. elected to raise taxes on Americans to pay for it.

    No way !

    Public support for "wars of choice" or "regime change wars" really do not exist, because any war of choice is a federal crime and a crime against humanity.

    Furthermore , Public support for these wars dry up as soon as Americans get hit with the bill.

    The success of these wars being implemented has depended upon our governments deferring the costs to prosecute them to future generations by printing the money and ballooning our national debt in the process.

    I do not believe that one single war profiteer would engage in these endless conflicts if the burden for paying for them rested squarely on their shoulders.

    The facetious argument I made in my earlier comment... is that if these wars of choice are SO IMPORTANT to our "elites", then they, and they ALONE, should be willing to foot the bill....NOW.

    Not only the wars we are about to start...... but the wars they lied us into starting sixteen years ago....

    If they believe in them SO MUCH...then put up the money for it...the whole way..right away..and don't burden US.
    .
  164. @Junior
    I'm not really sure what you're preening and strutting around about as having been proven as a con by Trump from the examples in your statement. The man has not even completed 100 days in office yet. Your claims of a con MAY turn out to be true in the future, but as of yet it's baseless.

    In regards to Mexico paying for the wall, it remains to be seen whether Trump follows through on the plan for us to recoup to make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another through tariffs, taxes on remittance which we may not be able to get all of but we can damn sure try, and other assorted means of pressure that we can use to recoup and stop the government of Mexico from continuing to take advantage of us.

    In regards to this Syria attack, it remains to be seen whether this fireworks display coordinated with Russia and Assad on an empty airstrip was all done for political capital by Trump to keep the Neo-Lib Media and NeoCons at bay and us out of future wars, or whether Trump has indeed gone over to the Dark Side.

    And in regards to E-Verify and Form I-9, here's an article posted below from NumbersUSA that shows another reason why you just might want to slow your roll with the "told you so, even though I don't have any proof yet that it's a con" mentality.

    Pres. Trump called for making improvements to the E-Verify system in order to support a nationwide mandate in his 2018 budget request to Congress. Requiring all employers to use E-Verify is the top step in our 'Ten Steps to Fixing the Broken Immigration Enforcement System'.

    Pres. Trump will need help from Congress, though, in making E-Verify mandatory for all employers. First, his request to set aside $15 million to make improvements to the system is just that -- a request. Congress would need to make it official by including it in its FY18 DHS spending bill. Furthermore, requiring all employers to use the employment verification system would require legislation from Congress.

    But budget requests tend to be clues to what an administration's legislative priorities are, and it appears that mandatory E-Verify is a priority for the Trump administration.

     

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/trump-budget-lays-groundwork-national-e-verify

    Again, you may turn out to be right in the end and a lot of that depends on Congress but for now, it's still up in the air.

    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus) without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons, but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.

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    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus)
     
    In fiscal terms, if an $80 million dollar fireworks show keeps us from a future bankrupting war then I think that we got a good deal. The jury is still out.

    without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons
     
    I'm not sure where you're getting this "without consulting with anyone" from but the only consulting that truly matters was Trump warning the Russians and therefore Assad to evacuate. Deaths occurring was EXACTLY what Trump was trying to avoid by his warning. And the neo-cons are NOT appeased, they are potentially NEUTRALIZED. Time will tell.

    but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.
     
    Yes, the deaths are what make this a fail. Trump failed in carrying out an inconsequential attack as his forewarning proves he intended. This failed attempt at an inconsequential act has the potential to still be used for positive IF used as defense of not acting on a future false-flag or escalating this to drag us into war. If. It remains to be seen.
  165. @Bayan
    When you see a dictator or some power kill children using conventional, chemical, or whatever weapons; you condemn the murderer. You don’t run to the library, or go to some rightie or leftie site searching for wisdom. You don’t let your literacy destroy your humanity.

    Bayan:

    You must be living in a bubble. Have you forgotten the murdering Saudi wahhabis killing and starving children in Yemen? Or the Bahrainis, the brave General al-Sisi in Egypt, and the murdering and starving children American zionist-neocons? But l will let you start with those infidel Saudis who also hang their own children.

    How about it, Bayan?

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  166. @annamaria
    Of course the Middle Eastern wars are about personal fortunes:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/united-nations-confirmed-that-us-supported-rebels-were-using-chemical-weapons/5583988
    "The United Nations in a 2013 report confirms that Syrian opposition “rebels” (supported by Washington) “may have used chemical weapons against [Syrian] government forces.”
    The UN report refutes Washington’s allegations that the government of Bashar al Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people. What the UN mission findings confirm is that the US sponsored opposition “rebels” largely composed of Al Qaeda affiliated groups, financed and supported by the Western military alliance were responsible for these 2013 chemical weapons attacks. Moreover, as confirmed in an earlier report, the Al Qaeda rebels were being trained in the use of chemical weapons by specialists on contract to the Pentagon."
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178

    Hi Annamaria,

    Yes, I am aware of the report. I am also aware of the excellent work Robert Parry did on the subject of the Ghouta Sarin strike in 2013.

    I do not believe any of our disastrous carnage in the middle east would have come to pass had George Bush Jr. elected to raise taxes on Americans to pay for it.

    No way !

    Public support for “wars of choice” or “regime change wars” really do not exist, because any war of choice is a federal crime and a crime against humanity.

    Furthermore , Public support for these wars dry up as soon as Americans get hit with the bill.

    The success of these wars being implemented has depended upon our governments deferring the costs to prosecute them to future generations by printing the money and ballooning our national debt in the process.

    I do not believe that one single war profiteer would engage in these endless conflicts if the burden for paying for them rested squarely on their shoulders.

    The facetious argument I made in my earlier comment… is that if these wars of choice are SO IMPORTANT to our “elites”, then they, and they ALONE, should be willing to foot the bill….NOW.

    Not only the wars we are about to start…… but the wars they lied us into starting sixteen years ago….

    If they believe in them SO MUCH…then put up the money for it…the whole way..right away..and don’t burden US.
    .

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  167. @Junior
    I'm not really sure what you're preening and strutting around about as having been proven as a con by Trump from the examples in your statement. The man has not even completed 100 days in office yet. Your claims of a con MAY turn out to be true in the future, but as of yet it's baseless.

    In regards to Mexico paying for the wall, it remains to be seen whether Trump follows through on the plan for us to recoup to make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another through tariffs, taxes on remittance which we may not be able to get all of but we can damn sure try, and other assorted means of pressure that we can use to recoup and stop the government of Mexico from continuing to take advantage of us.

    In regards to this Syria attack, it remains to be seen whether this fireworks display coordinated with Russia and Assad on an empty airstrip was all done for political capital by Trump to keep the Neo-Lib Media and NeoCons at bay and us out of future wars, or whether Trump has indeed gone over to the Dark Side.

    And in regards to E-Verify and Form I-9, here's an article posted below from NumbersUSA that shows another reason why you just might want to slow your roll with the "told you so, even though I don't have any proof yet that it's a con" mentality.

    Pres. Trump called for making improvements to the E-Verify system in order to support a nationwide mandate in his 2018 budget request to Congress. Requiring all employers to use E-Verify is the top step in our 'Ten Steps to Fixing the Broken Immigration Enforcement System'.

    Pres. Trump will need help from Congress, though, in making E-Verify mandatory for all employers. First, his request to set aside $15 million to make improvements to the system is just that -- a request. Congress would need to make it official by including it in its FY18 DHS spending bill. Furthermore, requiring all employers to use the employment verification system would require legislation from Congress.

    But budget requests tend to be clues to what an administration's legislative priorities are, and it appears that mandatory E-Verify is a priority for the Trump administration.

     

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/trump-budget-lays-groundwork-national-e-verify

    Again, you may turn out to be right in the end and a lot of that depends on Congress but for now, it's still up in the air.

    Hi Junior,

    What I’d love to see is heads rolling after Trump finds out that he was tricked into bombing the wrong party. [And even if he knew all along that it was a political stunt, he could pretend he didn't, and give them the bums' rush for 'misinforming' him.]

    The first 10 minutes of this video goes right to the point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE – THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY – #DRAINTHESWAMP

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Here we go again Trump was tricked into attacking Syria, while he stated at least 45 times when Obama was in office that we should stay out of Syria ,for it was a good way to spend billions and start WW3, (and he was right)his con game that it was those poor babies is the reason he ordered the strike meanwhile in Mosul we were bombing the hell out of places where women and poor babies had taken refuge killing only God how many women and children,no this was created for Trump to show the neo-cons how tough he was instead he played right into their hands for now he is a neo-con, and you will see more of the same actions while he wanders thru the swamp..
    , @Junior
    Hey Robin!

    Interesting! Thanks for sharing the video! I DEFINITELY agree with a lot of what he says but don't believe that Trump is being tricked but is DEFINITELY being surrounded by the enemy that are feeding him BS. I love how Steele just speaks his mind and doesn't hold back at ALL lol

  168. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Uhh, who here believes Jews "control the world"?

    “Uhh, who here believes Jews “control the world”?”

    [Laughs] that’s a knee slapper. Just peruse the comments here on this site and you have a host of individuals who share that sentiment.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    That's what I thought. So, in addition to disseminating bullshit, you count mind-reading among your talents. Very impressive.
  169. @Corvinus
    "Uhh, who here believes Jews “control the world”?"

    [Laughs] that's a knee slapper. Just peruse the comments here on this site and you have a host of individuals who share that sentiment.

    That’s what I thought. So, in addition to disseminating bullshit, you count mind-reading among your talents. Very impressive.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Read the long comments of Anon and War For Blair Mountain, for starters, about how Jews run the world and how they need to be stopped. I believe they are the same individual.
  170. @RobinG
    Hi Junior,

    What I'd love to see is heads rolling after Trump finds out that he was tricked into bombing the wrong party. [And even if he knew all along that it was a political stunt, he could pretend he didn't, and give them the bums' rush for 'misinforming' him.]

    The first 10 minutes of this video goes right to the point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE - THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - #DRAINTHESWAMP

    Here we go again Trump was tricked into attacking Syria, while he stated at least 45 times when Obama was in office that we should stay out of Syria ,for it was a good way to spend billions and start WW3, (and he was right)his con game that it was those poor babies is the reason he ordered the strike meanwhile in Mosul we were bombing the hell out of places where women and poor babies had taken refuge killing only God how many women and children,no this was created for Trump to show the neo-cons how tough he was instead he played right into their hands for now he is a neo-con, and you will see more of the same actions while he wanders thru the swamp..

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  171. @jacques sheete
    I remember that back in the '80s there were many cool heads who wrote fine articles like this arguing that we need to mind our own business, yet the chicken hawks prevailed just as they do now.

    Prior to WW2 the America First Committee tried and also failed to prevent US involvement in that hideous foolishness too. I don't know of one anti-war movement that was successful, in fact. Now there isn't even one of much significance.

    I sure would like to know the answer(s)!

    Obama pulling back from the brink of attacking Syria in 2013 (the first chemical weapons false flag) is usually put down to the U.S. military being reluctant but there was something before that. British Prime Minister David Cameron had committed Britain to participating in the attack but a massive spontaneous pushback from the British public made him back down. It was immediately after that Obama got cold feet. I remember that loud “no” from the British public being the turning point that derailed what had been a one way drive to war.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    I think you are right.

    I also think our representatives got an earful from Americans that we didn't want to start another Iraq disaster over there.

    And we still don't.
  172. @Emblematic
    Obama pulling back from the brink of attacking Syria in 2013 (the first chemical weapons false flag) is usually put down to the U.S. military being reluctant but there was something before that. British Prime Minister David Cameron had committed Britain to participating in the attack but a massive spontaneous pushback from the British public made him back down. It was immediately after that Obama got cold feet. I remember that loud "no" from the British public being the turning point that derailed what had been a one way drive to war.

    I think you are right.

    I also think our representatives got an earful from Americans that we didn’t want to start another Iraq disaster over there.

    And we still don’t.

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  173. @Seraphim
    "ORDO AB CHAO"
    'A Latin expression, meaning Order out of Chaos. A motto of the Thirty-third Degree, and having the same allusion as lux e tenebris, which see in this work. The invention of this motto is to be attributed to the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite at Charleston, and it is first met with in the Patent of Count de Grasse, dated February 1, 1802. When De Grasse afterward carried the Rite over to France and established a Supreme Council there, he changed the motto, and, according to Lenning, Ordo ab hoc, Order out of This, was used by him and his Council in all their documents. If so, it was simply a blunder'.
    - Source: Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

    The Scottish Rite was introduced in America by the French (Portuguese?) Jew Etienne Morin and Portuguese-Dutch Jew Isaac da Costa.

    Hello Seraphim,
    I’m considering whether to read a book about masonry, and I have two points of interest:
    1) how they work/network today. (I saw that Hollande went to the 100th anniversary of their chapter, which is flexing their power in an election year, and that piqued my interest).
    2) whether they had a verifiable hand in the French Revolution.

    Would you have a recommendation for either point? Something short is better, and it could be in french. Thank you kindly.

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Hmm seeing your French may I ask a favor could you transulate this into English.

    "D'aiga trois chev. de sin, acc. detrois Etoiles de sa."
    Thank You
  174. @Veritatis
    Hello Seraphim,
    I’m considering whether to read a book about masonry, and I have two points of interest:
    1) how they work/network today. (I saw that Hollande went to the 100th anniversary of their chapter, which is flexing their power in an election year, and that piqued my interest).
    2) whether they had a verifiable hand in the French Revolution.

    Would you have a recommendation for either point? Something short is better, and it could be in french. Thank you kindly.

    Hmm seeing your French may I ask a favor could you transulate this into English.

    “D’aiga trois chev. de sin, acc. detrois Etoiles de sa.”
    Thank You

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  175. @Beefcake the Mighty
    That's what I thought. So, in addition to disseminating bullshit, you count mind-reading among your talents. Very impressive.

    Read the long comments of Anon and War For Blair Mountain, for starters, about how Jews run the world and how they need to be stopped. I believe they are the same individual.

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  176. This is the most exact analysis of the situation in international relations. Please if one can share this far and wide because the imperialism of colonialism is alive and well and doing its venal best to create a real humanitarian crisis on every continent in the world. Its psychotic, anti-social this inhumane behaviour of this genocidal serial killer that wraps itself in Hollywood glamour.

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  177. @Virgile
    Putin hold a very strong card on Trump: The current investigation on Trump's collusion with Russia in ensuring his election
    If that collusion is proven Trump will be impeached and the USA will get into a a very instable period.
    For the strike in Syria there are two possibilities
    1) Putin was accomplice with Trump and encouraged the strike to gives arguments to Trump that he can't be obeying Putin since he is 'humiliating' him by attacking its ally. In this case Trump owes one to Putin, who helped him to create a diversion.
    2) Putin was not an accomplice and was humiliated by this attack. Therefore Putin will consider Trump as an enemy to fight and destroy. If Putin just leaks information ( fake or real) that CONFIRMS his collusion with Trump in the election process, the MSM and the Democrats will be more than happy to jump on it. Trump will be impeached and send to jail.
    I believe that Tillerson will hear that message when he will meet Putin next week. As a result we may see two things happening: A shift in the US policy in Syria that will force the Syrian opposition into negotiations with the Syrian government and an indirect consolidation of Bashar Al Assad's power toward peace.
    Or a process whereby Russia will gradually leaks information that will ultimately lead to Trump's impeachment
    Similarly to the deliberate shooting of the Russia plane that lead Turkey to be "controlled" by Putin, the strikes in Syria will sooner or later put Trump in the same position as Edogan vis a vis Russia.

    As Putin holds the blackmail card on Trump' impeachment, Putin may have total control over Trump sooner than we think.

    My friend in all honesty, please stick to homegrown, this comment is beyond far fetched, it borders on drinking the Kool Aid and then entering a Mental Institution and telling them you are not crazy. Everyone not in the US knows that Trump is not a Russian agent or Putin’s Allie. Question More and read more alternative news sources. CNN, Fox and the others you whose drivel you are spewing is known to be nothing but lies and more murderous criminal lies. The world does not revolve around USA just in case you didn’t know. Its become apparently clear to The REAL world, catch up, wake up.

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  178. @Beefcake the Mighty
    You're saying it's unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)? Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That's some good concern trolling there.

    Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism?

    RU stupid? the Syrians are Semites, so if we attacked them, then we are antisemitic! Once I did ask a red headed “jew’, who were the Semites, so I should know who I was against, and he failed to know, or to tell me. So dumb and ignorant. Most people do not know who are the Semites, so ask next time that you are called anti-Semite.

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  179. @bluedog
    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus) without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons, but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.

    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus)

    In fiscal terms, if an $80 million dollar fireworks show keeps us from a future bankrupting war then I think that we got a good deal. The jury is still out.

    without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons

    I’m not sure where you’re getting this “without consulting with anyone” from but the only consulting that truly matters was Trump warning the Russians and therefore Assad to evacuate. Deaths occurring was EXACTLY what Trump was trying to avoid by his warning. And the neo-cons are NOT appeased, they are potentially NEUTRALIZED. Time will tell.

    but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.

    Yes, the deaths are what make this a fail. Trump failed in carrying out an inconsequential attack as his forewarning proves he intended. This failed attempt at an inconsequential act has the potential to still be used for positive IF used as defense of not acting on a future false-flag or escalating this to drag us into war. If. It remains to be seen.

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    Lol you have to be joking we are bankrupt ( trillions upon trillions upon trillions and the only solution will be to default on those trillions war or no war) and yes, Trump does have to seek congress's approval before making such a strike for its actually a declaration of war, and the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia, and of course now we will have to see what the leadership in China does we will know if they drop a few hundred billion or a trillion of the paper they hold,no lets make a deal Trump just made the worst deal in his life
  180. @RobinG
    Hi Junior,

    What I'd love to see is heads rolling after Trump finds out that he was tricked into bombing the wrong party. [And even if he knew all along that it was a political stunt, he could pretend he didn't, and give them the bums' rush for 'misinforming' him.]

    The first 10 minutes of this video goes right to the point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtsQmwas5k&feature=youtu.be
    RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE - THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - #DRAINTHESWAMP

    Hey Robin!

    Interesting! Thanks for sharing the video! I DEFINITELY agree with a lot of what he says but don’t believe that Trump is being tricked but is DEFINITELY being surrounded by the enemy that are feeding him BS. I love how Steele just speaks his mind and doesn’t hold back at ALL lol

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  181. Dear Mr Whitney, you write: “Russia’s Minister of Defense Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov issued a statement…”

    Russia’s Minister of Defence is called Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoygu (Russian: Серге́й Кужуге́тович Шойгу́, Tuvan: Сергей Күжүгет оглу Шойгу, Sergey Kuzhuget oglu Shoygu).

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shoygu

    He is quite an interesting person, popular in Russia and especially so in his native Tuva. Find out more about him, he is worth reading about!

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  182. @Junior

    Hmm lets see Trump makes a strike on Syria (costing some $80 million plus)
     
    In fiscal terms, if an $80 million dollar fireworks show keeps us from a future bankrupting war then I think that we got a good deal. The jury is still out.

    without consulting anyone that kills a few to appease the neo-cons
     
    I'm not sure where you're getting this "without consulting with anyone" from but the only consulting that truly matters was Trump warning the Russians and therefore Assad to evacuate. Deaths occurring was EXACTLY what Trump was trying to avoid by his warning. And the neo-cons are NOT appeased, they are potentially NEUTRALIZED. Time will tell.

    but the question that begs to be answered is who going to bring back to life the ones that were killed, nor do you explain why we are illegally attacking another country, or do you believe as the neo-cons that we are exceptional.
     
    Yes, the deaths are what make this a fail. Trump failed in carrying out an inconsequential attack as his forewarning proves he intended. This failed attempt at an inconsequential act has the potential to still be used for positive IF used as defense of not acting on a future false-flag or escalating this to drag us into war. If. It remains to be seen.

    Lol you have to be joking we are bankrupt ( trillions upon trillions upon trillions and the only solution will be to default on those trillions war or no war) and yes, Trump does have to seek congress’s approval before making such a strike for its actually a declaration of war, and the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia, and of course now we will have to see what the leadership in China does we will know if they drop a few hundred billion or a trillion of the paper they hold,no lets make a deal Trump just made the worst deal in his life

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    the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia

     

    I don't believe that this destroys any co-operation by Russia. It's not like this is what Erdogan did when Turkey shot down a Russian Plane. IF this was coordinated with the Russians and all the fist-shaking by Putin and Assad is just for show then if anything it makes co-operation with the Russians easier in lieu of all the "Trump is colluding with the Russians" narrative which the media has been pushing that this negates. What is destroyed is the fake narrative of collusion which opens the door for co-operation.
  183. @bluedog
    Lol you have to be joking we are bankrupt ( trillions upon trillions upon trillions and the only solution will be to default on those trillions war or no war) and yes, Trump does have to seek congress's approval before making such a strike for its actually a declaration of war, and the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia, and of course now we will have to see what the leadership in China does we will know if they drop a few hundred billion or a trillion of the paper they hold,no lets make a deal Trump just made the worst deal in his life

    the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia

    I don’t believe that this destroys any co-operation by Russia. It’s not like this is what Erdogan did when Turkey shot down a Russian Plane. IF this was coordinated with the Russians and all the fist-shaking by Putin and Assad is just for show then if anything it makes co-operation with the Russians easier in lieu of all the “Trump is colluding with the Russians” narrative which the media has been pushing that this negates. What is destroyed is the fake narrative of collusion which opens the door for co-operation.

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    You my friend are a dreamer for the facts speak otherwise while we have this coming out of Trump and his inter-circle and his mouthpiece at the U.N.

    Russia was involved or knew about the chemicals
    Assad must go
    No peaceful solution in Syria
    We will make more strikes as we see fit
    and then of course sending more troops into Syria,but then again "we all have a dream"
    for you see Syria don't want us don't need us for they are doing a fine job with the Russian aircraft in destroying ISIS in Syria and all we are doing is throwing mud in the water..

  184. @Junior

    the only thing it has done is destroy any co-operation by Russia

     

    I don't believe that this destroys any co-operation by Russia. It's not like this is what Erdogan did when Turkey shot down a Russian Plane. IF this was coordinated with the Russians and all the fist-shaking by Putin and Assad is just for show then if anything it makes co-operation with the Russians easier in lieu of all the "Trump is colluding with the Russians" narrative which the media has been pushing that this negates. What is destroyed is the fake narrative of collusion which opens the door for co-operation.

    You my friend are a dreamer for the facts speak otherwise while we have this coming out of Trump and his inter-circle and his mouthpiece at the U.N.

    Russia was involved or knew about the chemicals
    Assad must go
    No peaceful solution in Syria
    We will make more strikes as we see fit
    and then of course sending more troops into Syria,but then again “we all have a dream”
    for you see Syria don’t want us don’t need us for they are doing a fine job with the Russian aircraft in destroying ISIS in Syria and all we are doing is throwing mud in the water..

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  185. @Beefcake the Mighty
    You're saying it's unacceptable to believe that Israel (as a demographically disadvantaged racialist state) is the main beneficiary of chaos in the region (so that its main competitors are reduced to squabbling tribal entities as opposed to united central states)? Totally outrageous concept, the fruit of anti-Semitism? That's some good concern trolling there.

    Israel has been trying to break all muslim countries around it for a longtime Other muslim countries are trying to survive and have joined that game lately .It is still primarily an Israeli game.
    Support to Kurdish forces began in 60s Support to Nigerian Biafra region began in 60s. Balkanization was on the mind of the leaders like Ben Gurion . Diviosn of Lebanon was on the annual report card of Dyan in 50s . Oded Yinon reiterated the balkanization of entire Arab world into smaller states. sSo did PNAC . So did Richard Perle through his French Canadian Israeli protege in DIA meeting at Pentagon . Israel occupies Golan No Arab country occupies Syria.
    Israel has been instrumental in orchestrating the division of Sudan . ( Israel also put Idi amin in power )

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  186. You my friend are a dreamer for the facts speak otherwise while we have this coming out of Trump and his inter-circle and his mouthpiece at the U.N.

    I agree that without a doubt there are disturbing WORDS being said, but so far the facts of the ACTIONS are an attempted fireworks display.

    I agree that we should stay out of Syria and I’m hoping that this strike is used for that purpose.

    I think that the best way to try to make sure it’s used for that purpose, of staying out of Syria and this not escalating, is by exposing the false-flag operation for what it is because that is the weak point in their fake narrative of reason for escalation. That should be the focus for changing peoples minds instead of just declaring that all is lost without knowing for sure.

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    Now that I agree on the next interesting question is where will they go from here...
  187. @Junior

    You my friend are a dreamer for the facts speak otherwise while we have this coming out of Trump and his inter-circle and his mouthpiece at the U.N.
     
    I agree that without a doubt there are disturbing WORDS being said, but so far the facts of the ACTIONS are an attempted fireworks display.

    I agree that we should stay out of Syria and I'm hoping that this strike is used for that purpose.

    I think that the best way to try to make sure it's used for that purpose, of staying out of Syria and this not escalating, is by exposing the false-flag operation for what it is because that is the weak point in their fake narrative of reason for escalation. That should be the focus for changing peoples minds instead of just declaring that all is lost without knowing for sure.

    Now that I agree on the next interesting question is where will they go from here…

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  188. Re: “War won’t come” Have you ever heard of a big power going down voluntarily? War is probably coming soon, and it won’t be nice! – Nukes and automated swarms of drones!

    Re: “is US and/or Russia ruling through chaos?” To me it seems that no constellation is nobler than any other. The main difference is who has the ability to abuse their powers, and at the moment it’s the US.

    But the US is failing quickly. USA has been the top dog since between WW1 and WW2 and now it’s already spiralling downward (less than a century as top dog, thats a new bottom record!). Any moment now China will be declared the new top dog.
    As a European (Danish) I am very concerned about how the west is destroying itself with big mafia (especially Zionist), big social divide, lack of education, lack of entrepreneurship etc. with US as the main decease (a decease that came from Europe when the US was founded – especially with Great Britain’s decay).
    You can describe the sickness as “the law of ever diminishing return”. When something big (power, elite, money, religion etc.) tries to cling to power by investing ever more efforts, it’s going to fail faster and faster. The west needs urgent decentralization of all kinds of powers in order to get back into the game!!

    Just my dime on this topic.

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