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“There is no innocent explanation for the sudden disappearance of MH17 from the media and political spotlight. The plane’s black box has been held in Britain for examination for weeks, and US and Russian spy satellites and military radar were intensively scanning east Ukraine at the time of the crash. The claim that Washington does not have detailed knowledge of the circumstances of the crash and the various forces involved is not credible.”

– Niles Williamson, “Why have the media and Obama administration gone silent on MH17?”, World Socialist Web Site

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/18/ukmh-a18.html

See: 11 minute you tube “MH17 – We know with 99% certainty who shot down MH17

The Obama administration has failed to produce any hard evidence that pro-Russia separatists were responsible for the downing of Malaysia Flight 17. The administration’s theory– that the jetliner was downed by a surface-to-air missile launched from rebel territory in east Ukraine– is not supported by radar data, satellite imagery, eyewitness testimony or forensic evidence. In fact, there is no factual basis for the hypothesis at all. It’s merely politically-motivated speculation that’s been repeated endlessly in the media to shape public opinion. The preponderance of evidence suggests a different scenario altogether, that is, that MH17 was shot down by Ukrainian fighters in an effort to frame the pro-Russia separatists and demonize Russia by implication. This is precisely why the MH17 story has vanished from all the major media for the last three weeks. It’s because the bloody fingerprints point to Obama’s puppet-government in Kiev.

So what are the facts?

Fact Number 1: There were eyewitnesses.

According to the Oxford dictionary, an eyewitness is “A person who has personally seen something happen and can give a first-hand description of it.” This is why eyewitness testimony is so important in criminal investigations, because what people actually see matters. In a capital case, eyewitness testimony can be just as damning as the bloody fingerprints on a murder weapon. In contrast, theories are of little or no importance at all. The administration’s missile theory is just obfuscating blabber intended to pacify the public with a soothing explanation that is entirely divorced from the facts. Eyewitness accounts help to cut through government bullsh** and uncover what really happened.

So, what did happen to MH17? Check out this blurb from a report by the BBC:

”The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly before the catastrophe. According to them, it was actually the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.

Eyewitness number one: “There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart, (Waves her hands to show the plane exploding) And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everyone saw it….

Yes, yes, It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was flying underneath…below the civilian plane.”

Many people saw what happened. Many people saw the Ukrainian fighter rise in a shark-on-seal type motion. Many people saw the explosion. Are these credible witnesses? Are they lying? Do they have a political agenda?

We don’t know, but we do know what they said. They said they saw a fighter (probably a Ukrainian SU 25) stalking MH17 just before it blew up. That’s significant and it should have a bearing on the investigation.

Fact Number 2: Russia picked up the Ukrainian fighters on their radar.

According to Russian military analysts:

“Russian monitoring systems registered Ukrainian airforce jet, probably an SU 25 fighter, climbing and approaching the Malaysia aircraft. The SU 25 was between 3 to 5 kilometers away from the Malaysian plane. The fighter is capable of reaching an altitude of 10,000 meters for short periods of time. It’s standard armaments include R-60 air-to-air missiles which are capable of locking and destroying targets within a range of 12 kilometers and which are guaranteed to hit their target from a distance of 5 kilometers.

What was a military aircraft doing on a route intended for civilian planes flying at the same time and same altitude of a passenger plane? We would like an answer to this question? …

To corroborate this evidence we have a picture taken at the regional air traffic control center at Rostov….Ukrainian military officials claimed there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in that area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true” (“MH17 Fully Exposed”, The Corbett report; Check minute 34:17 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWlAARb0fN4video

Repeat: “Ukrainian military officials claimed there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in that area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.”

Kiev lied. Not only was one of their fighters in the vicinity, but the warplane also had the capacity to take down a jetliner.

Let’s be clear about how important this information is: We now have hard evidence (Russian radar data and eyewitness testimony) that a Ukrainian fighter was in the vicinity of Malaysia Flight 17 when it was shot down. Thus, the Ukrainian fighter very well may have played a role in the downing of MH17. This is a possibility that cannot be excluded if one is basing their judgments on the facts alone.

Then there the story of Carlos who worked at Kiev’s Air Traffic Control at Borispol but who mysteriously vanished immediately after the crash. Carlos’s twitter feeds on the day of the incident have become something of a legend on the internet, so we would like to narrow our focus to just a few of his communiques.

Carlos tweets on day of MH17 crash:

“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”…

“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”…

(Military?) “has taken control of ATC in Kiev”….

“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”….

“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”….

“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”…

“The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar”…

“If Kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”….

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”…

“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”…

“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”….(“FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17“, Rebel’s Blog)

Shortly after posting the news on Twitter, the Military took over the tower, the SBU seized the Air traffic Control recordings, and Carlos disappeared never to be seen again. At the very least, Carlos’s postings lend support to our thesis that one or two SU 25 fighters were in the vicinity of the Boeing 777 at the time of the incident, which is to say they were in a position to shoot it down.

So why have Obama, Kerry and the entire western media excluded the SU 25s from their analysis? And why are they withholding the satellite and radar data (that everyone knows they have) of the area at the time of the crash? According to the World Socialist Web Site: “The US Air Force’s Defense Support Program utilizes satellites with infrared sensors to detect missile launches anywhere on the planet, and US radar posts in Europe would have tracked the missile as it shot through the sky.”

Indeed, the US does have the capability to track missiles launches anywhere on the planet, so where is the data to support their theory that a missile took down MH17? Where is the satellite imagery? Where is the radar data? What is it Obama doesn’t want the American people to know?

German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes. Haisenko presented his theory in an article which appeared on the Global Research website titled “Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile….” (“Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile””, Global Research)

Haisenko notes that the munitions used on Ukrainian fighters–anti-tank incendiary and splinter-explosive shells–are capable of taking down a jetliner and that the dense pattern of metal penetrated by multiple projectiles is consistent with the firing pattern of a 30-mm gun.

Also, Michael Bociurkiw, who was one of the first international inspectors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to reach the crash site and who spent more than a week examining the ruins– appears to be convinced that MH17 was downed by machinegun fire consistent with the myriad bullet-holes visible on the fuselage. Here’s what he told on CBC World News:

“There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pock-marked. It almost looks like machine gun fire; very, very strong machine gun fire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else.

We’ve also been asked if we’ve seen any signs of a missile?

Well, no we haven’t. That’s the answer.”

(“Malaysia Airlines MH17: Michael Bociurkiw talks about being first at the crash site,” CBC News. Note: The above quote is from the video)

Now, admittedly, the observations of Haisenko and Bociurkiw could mean nothing, after all, they are just opinions. But for the sake of argument, let’s compare what they have to say to the comments made by Obama and Kerry.

Here’s Obama on the day after the crash:

“Here is what we know so far. Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that was launched from an area that is controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine.

We also know that this is not the first time a plane has been shot down in eastern Ukraine. Over the last several weeks Russian- backed separatists have shot down a Ukrainian transport plane and a Ukrainian helicopter, and they claimed responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian fighter jet.

Moreover, we know that these separatists have received a steady flow of support from Russia.

This includes arms and training. It includes heavy weapons. And it includes anti-aircraft weapons.

Now, here’s what’s happened now. This was a global tragedy. An Asian airliner was destroyed in European skies, filled with citizens from many countries. So there has to be a credible international investigation into what happened. The U.N. Security Council has endorsed this investigation, and we will hold all its members, including Russia, to their word…

Now, the United States stands ready to provide any assistance that is necessary…..

Let’s summarize Obama’s allegations:

1–MH17 was shot down in east Ukraine.

2–The separatists have shot down planes in east Ukraine before.

3–Therefore the separatists shot down MH17

Do you find that argument persuasive, dear reader? Keep in mind, Obama has never veered from his original position on the issue nor has he ever addressed the eyewitness reports or the technical data provided by Moscow. When all the media repeat the government’s version of events word-for-word, the facts don’t matter. In other words, Obama hasn’t changed his story, because he doesn’t have to. He knows the dissembling media will assist him in the cover up. Which it has.

Now let’s take a look at what Kerry had to say two days after the crash when he visited all five Sunday talk shows to blast Putin and blame the rebels for downing MH17. According to the Guardian:

”Kerry said all the evidence surrounding the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 points towards pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine…..

“We have enormous input about this that points fingers,” Kerry told CNN’s State of the Union. “It is pretty clear that this was a system from Russia, transferred to separatists. We know with confidence that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point of time.”…

Kerry said social media reports and US surveillance put the missile system in question in the vicinity of the crash before the tragedy.

“We know because we observed it by imagery that at the moment of the shootdown we detected a launch from that area,” he said. “Our trajectory shows that it went to the aircraft.” (“MH17 crash: Kerry lays out evidence of pro-Russia separatists’ responsibility“, Guardian)

Needless to say, Kerry has never provided any proof of the satellite “imagery” he referred to on the day of the interview. The administration’s case still depends on the discredited information it picked up on social media and on its own politically-motivated theory. It’s worth noting, that the administration used its shaky claims to great effect by convincing leaders of the European Union to impose more economic sanctions on Russia before any of the facts were known and without any legal process in place for Russia to defend itself. The sanctions, of course, are still in effect today even though the administrations hysterical accusations have come under increasing scrutiny.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has repeatedly called for a transparent and thorough international investigation, but Washington seems more eager to sweep the whole matter under the rug. Moscow is particularly interested in recovering the Air Traffic Control tapes which were seized by Kiev’s security services immediately following the crash. It’s imperative that these tapes be handed over to international inspectors to analyze communications between the cockpit and the tower. There’s no doubt that Kiev would hand over the recordings if Washington simply demanded that they do so. But Obama has issued no such order. Why is that?

Keep in mind, that the ATC recordings could be much more valuable than the black boxes because they record both sides of every communication on every frequency used by that facility (including frequencies used for communication with other ground facilities and/or agencies), and also on every land line in use at that facility.”

What does that mean? It means that ATC recorders also include communications between ATC operators and, lets say, government or military authorities. They would also have recorded the communications between ATC and any fighters that may have been in the vicinity of Flight 17. In other words, if MH17 was in fact shot down by a SU 25, there’s a good chance the communications would show up in the ATC tapes.

Is this why Obama hasn’t demanded that Kiev surrender the recordings, because he doesn’t really want the truth to come out? Now take a look at this out from the World Socialist Web Site:

“After a month during which Washington has failed to release evidence to support its charges against Putin, it is clear that the political offensive of the NATO governments and the media frenzy against Putin were based on lies.

If pro-Russian separatists had fired a ground-to-air missile, as the US government claims, the Air Force would have imagery in their possession confirming it beyond a shadow of a doubt…..

On August 9, the Malaysian New Straits Times published an article charging the Kiev regime with shooting down MH17. It stated that evidence from the crash site indicated that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter with a missile followed by heavy machine gun fire.

While it is too early to say conclusively how MH17 was shot down, the preponderance of the evidence points directly at the Ukrainian regime and, behind them, the American government and the European powers. They created the conditions for the destruction of MH17, backing the fascist-led coup in Kiev this February that brought the current pro-Western regime to power.”

(“Why have the media and Obama administration gone silent on MH17?“, Niles Williamson, World Socialist Web Site)

The media has played a pivotal role in this tragedy, deliberately misleading the American people on critical details related to the case in order to shape their coverage in a way that best serves the interests of the government. The MSM doesn’t care about identifying the criminals who killed 298 passengers. Their job is to demonize Putin and create a pretext for waging war on Russia. And that’s exactly what they’re doing.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Kiza says:

    Mike exposes here only one side of the story, there are several elements which do not fit into either narrative. I have stated several times that we will never know the definitive truth on MH17. As one commentator put it succinctly here on unz.com: “rebbels shot it down, end of story”, that is, for the Western MSM this is a closed and shut case, nothing to see here, move along. The shootdown has achieved its purpose – to create an initial momentum of sanctions and counter sanctions between EU and Russia, which was later maintained by means of phantom “Russian Military Invasion of Ukraine”. Thus, MH17 was the first big stone thrown to start the stoning of Russia by the EU on US behest.

    But let us consider the implication of just a possibility that this was a false-flag organised by the US and executed by its Ukrainians. If one considers things this way, one would almost wish that the rebels shot it down by mistake, it is too horrifying to ordinary people to consider such role of their government.

    The most important implication is how much our measly little lives mean to the US government, its assorted satellite regimes and the elites behind these regimes. Nothing, zéro, null. ‘Tis just another 298 lives sacrificed on the altar of US global dominance: whites, blacks, yellows, the whole lot; they do not racially discriminate when choosing dead bodies to climb upon to reach the top. Here you were sitting comfortably in an airliner, just finished your meal, enjoying in-flight entertainment and a moment later, you are a totally random victim of the news you were reading and watching just before the flight, and had no idea that the news would kill you.

    Perhaps one can understand why the Department Homeland Security ordered all the millions of high impact bullets. Just in case some wake up. We are likely to find out the reason for this order even when the victims of MH17 get completely obliterated from the news and deposited into the memory hole. Because, there will definitely be more where this came from (if this act really came from USG).

  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What about Carlos who mysteriously disappeared… perhaps is he under a… witness protection scheme?
    Is he to be added to the list of victims?
    Wonder what his family would have to say on his whereabouts… whether alive or hiding.
    Who gave the orders to deviate the airliner from original trajectory? Carlos would certainly know about people who are responsible for any… detour.
    Any ATC controler crew would not order a plane directly over a war zone without a specific command. Air India plane nearby has recordings of particular flight detour communications with ATC.
    MH 370… far too many holes in the story and missing links in the way disparition has occured and reported. Cooked evidence or mysterious silence on some valuable details.
    MH 17… far too many ‘holes’ in the plane… and absolute gag on reporting.
    Why has Malaysia been targeted in a specific time frame with downing of civilian planes. A little too close for mere coincidence. Motives?

    • Replies: @gp
  3. ” produce any hard evidence that pro-Russia separatists ”

    Please stop using the language of the warmongers.

    The BBC regularly refers to the terrorists in Syria as “Anti-Regime rebels”.

    The hero’s of Eastern Ukraine are “Anti-Fascist Rebels”

    No?

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  4. ka says:

    Killings of human both adult and infant in peace time and killings of the captive enemies during wars were a contant phenomena in different tribal and aboriginial society until late 19 th century. Killings of the infants or the virgin girls for the deities as offerrings or for health benefits were also common and are still practised to day in parts of India,Papua, or Middle Africa .

    US has painted the practice in differnet colors and laced the entire self contined localized practices of the past with various legends and disclaimers to explain the current western recidivism ,i.e: kill for democracy, kill for WMD,kill for gas atatck, kill for practices that evoke disgusts , kill in case they kill first, kill for they killed 10 yrs ago, kill them for they have the same philosophy that killed 1300 yrs ago and kill those if it seems that they could have supported some killers by not fighting against these killers and kill if you dont have anything better to do despite having those fine gadgets and arms ” we have got ” .
    “What good are they if we dont use “[the high tech machinery ] said the modern enlightened may be gay loving LGBT fighting anti Bible pontificating priests in the fading years of the last century.

  5. Svigor says:

    Many people saw what happened. Many people saw the Ukrainian fighter rise in a shark-on-seal type motion. Many people saw the explosion. Are these credible witnesses? Are they lying? Do they have a political agenda?

    One of the more plausible explanations I’ve heard that pins the blame on the rebels is that they were targeting a Ukrainian fighter jet with a SAM.

    Indeed, the US does have the capability to track missiles launches anywhere on the planet, so where is the data to support their theory that a missile took down MH17? Where is the satellite imagery? Where is the radar data? What is it Obama doesn’t want the American people to know?

    My understanding is that surveillance satellite coverage is not total (not anywhere near total, in fact). Basically, the satellites orbit the Earth and take footage, and when they’re over the horizon, that’s it, no more coverage, and that there aren’t enough to keep the coverage constant. Also, cloud cover has a lot to do with what kind of imagery they can get at any given time.

    Which is not to say that they don’t have images, just that there are plenty of good reasons why they might not – why there’s no assumption they would or should.

    “We know because we observed it by imagery that at the moment of the shootdown we detected a launch from that area,” he said. “Our trajectory shows that it went to the aircraft.”

    Okay, well, I guess Kerry removed all doubt on that subject. 🙂

    If pro-Russian separatists had fired a ground-to-air missile, as the US government claims, the Air Force would have imagery in their possession confirming it beyond a shadow of a doubt…..

    Again, this goes against what I’ve read about satellites. Maybe someone more into the strat stuff can illuminate the subject?

    The most important implication is how much our measly little lives mean to the US government, its assorted satellite regimes and the elites behind these regimes. Nothing, zéro, null. ‘Tis just another 298 lives sacrificed on the altar of US global dominance

    If the US gov’t did have a hand in this, it would be pretty easy for them to keep at arm’s length. One guy high up (administration, CIA, whatever) comes up with the idea, or gets it from one of his subordinates. He gets approval, or approves it himself. The idea goes to an American “advisor” in Ukraine, who passes it along to a Ukrainian shot-caller. No more than four Americans, plus anyone other than a single person involved in the approval process. And the whole thing is handled as a “hypothetical.” Not even a suggestion; just “hey, Sergei, wouldn’t it be awful (wink) if the rebels shot down an airliner?” The Ukes can handle the details of shooting down an airliner, it’s not that complicated.

    I suppose what I’m saying is, even if it was dreamed up and approved in DC, it doesn’t necessarily say much about the US gov’t.

    But I doubt very much that Obama would do something like this. He doesn’t strike me as interested enough in foreign affairs to take the risk. If we did have a hand, it was probably from a pretty shady, quasi-gov’t type.

    I say this not because I can’t believe that our gov’t would do something like this, but because I don’t. They’re too risk-averse. And the reward isn’t all that great. I could see them sending signals (“gosh, it would be awful”) into the right ears and letting a third party do the dirty work. And our gov’t not losing a wink of sleep over it.

    • Replies: @Constantine
  6. Do not forget that a plane full of Dutch nationals was targeted and that the Netherlands are arguably the most important trading partner for the Russians. The Hague is also de facto a vassal of Berlin.

    This narrative would have been uncontrollable had the plane been filled with Americans or Germans.

  7. rod1963 says:

    There are so many inconsistencies and questions pertaining to the Ukraine and Russia conflict and MH17, I don’t trust a word from the Western press or governments.

    And when you examine the track record of the Western press from prior to our war on Serbia and then against Saddam, it’s always the same pretext and accusations that turn out to be bald faced lies as to what has really went on. You can’t trust those sleazy a** PR manipulators.

    Look at the claim that the Russians have invaded but the governments can’t show any proof, just nameless DoD or WhiteHouse officials making a comment, perhaps at best a talking head blathering out vague accusations.

    Wow. No proof, no nothing. And they want us to support what they are doing against Russia? No way.

    I really don’t care if some of the East European lap dogs like Poland are worried about a new Imperial Russia. This is just a U.S. puppet doing as we tell them to do for $$$$.

  8. The Slog says: • Website

    For the genuinely objective among us, common sense says that the Russian foreign ministry would not be clamouring for Black Box evidence if they thought it might incriminate them.

    Beyond Ukraine and looking at the Iraqi beheadings, all the victims are described as ‘dedicated journalists’. What they don’t tell us that all three are Western religious fundamentalists with links to the CIA, Mossad and MI6.

    We live in an Orwellian world where both sides in any dispute lie sociopathically in order to gain advantage. By the time they’ve finished, discerning the Truth is rendered impossible.

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/ukraine-isis-2-of-gdp-on-defence-oil-exports-employment-can-yer-see-whadditizzyet/

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  9. @Bill Jones

    Please stop using their propaganda and start using mine is such a toddler tactic and yet it obviously appeals to you.

    No. Cute how you aren’t even pretending to not be dusting off the old Comintern manual anymore though.

    The enemies of the international working class have seized power in Ukraine. The duplicitous bourgeoise decadent sucks deep the life blood of the huddled workers. He is assisted in his charade by the vampire priests (errrr… strike that last part. priests are back in fashion comrade the Orthodox Church has proven quite persuadable.) Paleocon russophiles and the Southern Poverty Law Center unite you have nothing to lose but the common decency not to slander your opponents.

  10. @The Slog

    The media doesn’t report a lot things that you just make up off the top of your head.

    Again stop spreading his propaganda and start spreading mine is about the most cynical yet clumsy argument a person can make.

    Common sense tells me that the same country that lied about Katyn until humiliated by its Cold War defeat it had to fess up probably lies a whole lot.

    • Replies: @Tired of It All
  11. Just for the information of readers here who MIGHT be interested, Alex Jones, the madman of the internet, is actively reporting that the Ukraine situation is all America’s doing. I know that Alex Jones can be like Yosemite Sam on steroids and that he says things that are screwy too often and too quickly but his BASIC PREMISE, that the government, our government, is right now in a 1984 nightmare mode, is correct. (He really is worth listening too if you ignore his, too often, false flag declarations that are … false.)

  12. @Sam Haysom

    Guess you don’t much trust anyone then, cause every guvamint on the planet, especially the U.S. guvamint, lies a whole lot, so much so that truth is an oddity for them. Common sense aint all it’s cracked up to be by those who are too lazy to use whatever brains they may have. Where are the facts to make you believe what you do? Hint, Faux Nooze or CNN don’t count. Your guvamint has been lying throughout this attempt to make the Russians look bad, and it has yet to show a piece of hard evidence to back up its claims. Why? Because it’s lying. Enjoy your “commonsense” outlook.

  13. gp says:
    @Anonymous

    Very simple. Malaysia found bush, Blair, and 7 members of the bush administration guilty of war crimes.

    • Replies: @mgb
  14. @Svigor

    My understanding is that surveillance satellite coverage is not total (not anywhere near total, in fact). Basically, the satellites orbit the Earth and take footage, and when they’re over the horizon, that’s it, no more coverage, and that there aren’t enough to keep the coverage constant.

    They make satellites that are designed to be in geosynchronous orbit. Perhaps by coincidence, one of the new US spy satellites was over the area of the shoot-down.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_isnt_the_united_states_releasing_its_july_17_satellite_images_of_mh17_2

    With this deadly proxy war between Russia and the United States, it seems only logical that the U.S. intelligence community had its eyes on the area. If not, the CIA should go on record unequivocally stating that it has no satellite information of the area on the day in question.

  15. Svigor says:

    They make satellites that are designed to be in geosynchronous orbit. Perhaps by coincidence, one of the new US spy satellites was over the area of the shoot-down.

    Right, but the fact that they aren’t the norm sort of backs up my argument that coverage isn’t anywhere near total: if it was, we wouldn’t need non-geosynchronous satellites. Non-synchronous satellites are needed because they give us sweeps of their entire orbit. But yes, if they have sufficient stationary sat coverage of the area, then they have constant footage.

    And Kerry has already let the cat out of the bag by saying they have footage. Now he has to release it or STFU.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That the western press is attempting to vilify Putin is undeniable, and causes one to wonder how misinformed we were about major events of the past. One would think in this age of recording devices in cell phones, someone would have some footage of the column of Russian armament that Kiev claims to have recently destroyed. I’ve never seen so many accusations with so little evidence.
    As to the eye witnesses who so clearly saw the fighter plane attack the jet liner, I find that a bit hard to believe. First, the sky would have to be clear. Then the planes at that altitude would be tiny specs to the naked eye. How would they recognize one as a fighter and the other as a commercial liner?Why would they even be watching them? It just doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t think Carlos exists. His alleged tweets are not realistic sounding.

  17. KA says:

    “But here Mearsheimer’s argument is noticeably thin. Was democracy promotion the real goal? If so, then it is hard to understand why the U.S. has ended up allying itself with “neofascists,” as Mearsheimer correctly labels them, in Ukraine. A much more satisfactory explanation is advanced by Jean Bricmont in Humanitarian Imperialsim: Using Human Rights to Sell War, where he demonstrates that in the end the democratic or humanitarian rationales for the moves of the U.S. Empire are covers for a more brutal agenda of domination by all means necessary. (Some advocates of humanitarian imperialism may, and no doubt do, believe what they say about their motives, much as the British missionaries did in the British colonies; but that is all the more dangerous since such true believers are notoriously refractory to learning from experience.)

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/09/07/mearsheimer-pins-blame-for-ukraine-crisis-on-us-but/

  18. KA says:

    “After it has been activated, the aircraft will be capable of remote digital control from the ground, enabling operators to fly it like a sophisticated model plane, manoeuvring it vertically and laterally… Once triggered, no one on board will be able to deactivate the system,” claims a report from 2007 published in the London Evening Standard.

    The automatic control system technology, filed under patent number US7142971B2
    —“This information confirms the existence of technology that would allow for an aircraft like MH370 to be externally controlled, and that Boeing and the FAA were aware of a potential vulnerability loophole that could have conceivably been exploited. Boeing declined to comment on this incident and has made no attempt to explain this technology, even after former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad publically raised concerns over the possibility of such a scenario
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/09/unraveling-the-mess-of-mh370/

  19. mgb says:
    @gp

    Thanks for that point of clarity. Remember, too, that Malaysia second-guessed the signing of the TPP. They’re fully on-board now.

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