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Why is it a “conspiracy theory” to think that a disgruntled Democratic National Committee staffer gave WikiLeaks the DNC emails, but not a conspiracy theory to think the emails were provided by Russia?

Why?

Which is the more likely scenario: That a frustrated employee leaked damaging emails to embarrass his bosses or a that foreign government hacked DNC computers for some still-unknown reason?

That’s a no-brainer, isn’t it?

Former-DNC employee, Seth Rich, not only had access to the emails, but also a motive. He was pissed about the way the Clinton crowd was “sandbagging” Bernie Sanders. In contrast, there’s neither evidence nor motive connecting Russia to the emails. On top of that, WikiLeaks founder, Julien Assange (a man of impeccable integrity) has repeatedly denied that Russia gave him the emails which suggests the government investigation is completely misdirected. The logical course of action, would be to pursue the leads that are most likely to bear fruit, not those that originate from one’s own political bias. But, of course, logic has nothing to do with the current investigation, it’s all about politics and geopolitics.

We don’t know who killed Seth Rich and we’re not going to speculate on the matter here. But we find it very strange that neither the media nor the FBI have pursued leads in the case that challenge the prevailing narrative on the Russia hacking issue. Why is that? Why is the media so eager to blame Russia when Rich looks like the much more probable suspect?

And why have the mainstream news organizations put so much energy into discrediting the latest Fox News report, when– for the last 10 months– they’ve showed absolutely zero interest in Rich’s death at all?

According to Fox News:

“The Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., street just steps from his home had leaked thousands of internal emails to WikiLeaks, law enforcement sources told Fox News.

A federal investigator who reviewed an FBI forensic report detailing the contents of DNC staffer Seth Rich’s computer generated within 96 hours after his murder, said Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time….

Rod Wheeler, a retired Washington homicide detective and Fox News contributor investigating the case on behalf of the Rich family, made the WikiLeaks claim, which was corroborated by a federal investigator who spoke to Fox News….

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and Wikileaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.” (“Family of slain DNC staffer Seth Rich blasts detective over report of WikiLeaks link”, Fox News)

Okay, so where’s the computer? Who’s got Rich’s computer? Let’s do the forensic work and get on with it.

But the Washington Post and the other bogus news organizations aren’t interested in such matters because it doesn’t fit with their political agenda. They’d rather take pot-shots at Fox for running an article that doesn’t square with their goofy Russia hacking story. This is a statement on the abysmal condition of journalism today. Headline news has become the province of perception mandarins who use the venue to shape information to their own malign specifications, and any facts that conflict with their dubious storyline, are savagely attacked and discredited. Journalists are no longer investigators that keep the public informed, but paid assassins who liquidate views that veer from the party-line.

WikiLeaks never divulges the names of the people who provide them with information. Even so, Assange has not only shown an active interest in the Seth Rich case, but also offered a $20,000 reward for anyone providing information leading to the arrest and conviction of Rich’s murder. Why? And why did he post a link to the Fox News article on his Twitter account on Tuesday?

I don’t know, but if I worked for the FBI or the Washington Post, I’d sure as hell be beating the bushes to find out. And not just because it might help in Rich’s murder investigation, but also, because it could shed light on the Russia fiasco which is being used to lay the groundwork for impeachment proceedings. So any information that challenges the government version of events, could actually change the course of history.

Have you ever heard of Craig Murray?

Murray should be the government’s star witness in the DNC hacking scandal, instead, no one even knows who he is. But if we trust what Murray has to say, then we can see that the Russia hacking story is baloney. The emails were “leaked” by insiders not “hacked” by a foreign government. Here’s the scoop from Robert Parry at Consortium News:

“Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, has suggested that the DNC leak came from a “disgruntled” Democrat upset with the DNC’s sandbagging of the Sanders campaign and that the Podesta leak came from the U.S. intelligence community….He (Murray) appears to have undertaken a mission for WikiLeaks to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person in a wooded area of American University. ….

Though Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about, he may have been passing along messages about ways to protect the source from possible retaliation, maybe even an extraction plan if the source was in some legal or physical danger…Murray also suggested that the DNC leak and the Podesta leak came from two different sources, neither of them the Russian government.

“The Podesta emails and the DNC emails are, of course, two separate things and we shouldn’t conclude that they both have the same source,” Murray said. “In both cases we’re talking of a leak, not a hack, in that the person who was responsible for getting that information out had legal access to that information…

Scott Horton then asked, “Is it fair to say that you’re saying that the Podesta leak came from inside the intelligence services, NSA [the electronic spying National Security Agency] or another agency?”

“I think what I said was certainly compatible with that kind of interpretation, yeah,” Murray responded. “In both cases they are leaks by Americans.”

(“A Spy Coup in America?”, Robert Parry, Consortium News)

With all the hullabaloo surrounding the Russia hacking case, you’d think that Murray’s eyewitness account would be headline news, but not in Homeland Amerika where the truth is kept as far from the front page as humanly possible.

Bottom line: The government has a reliable witness (Murray) who can positively identify the person who hacked the DNC emails and, so far, they’ve showed no interest in his testimony at all. Doesn’t that strike you as a bit weird?

Did you know that after a 10 month-long investigation, there’s still no hard evidence that Russia hacked the 2016 elections? In fact, when the Intelligence agencies were pressed on the matter, they promised to release a report that would provide iron-clad proof of Russian meddling. On January 6, 2017, theDirector of National Intelligence, James Clapper, released that report. It was called The Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). Unfortunately, the report fell far-short of the public’s expectations. Instead of a smoking gun, Clapper produced a tedious 25-page compilation of speculation, hearsay, innuendo and gobbledygook. Here’s how veteran journalist Robert Parry summed it up:

“The report contained no direct evidence that Russia delivered hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta to WikiLeaks….The DNI report…as presented, is one-sided and lacks any actual proof. Further, the continued use of the word “assesses”….suggests that the underlying classified information also may be less than conclusive because, in intelligence-world-speak, “assesses” often means “guesses.” (“US Report Still Lacks Proof on Russia ‘Hack’”, Robert Parry, Consortium News)

Repeat: “the report contained no direct evidence”, no “actual proof”, and a heckuva a lot of “guessing”. That’s some “smoking gun”, eh?

If this ‘thin gruel’ sounds like insufficient grounds for removing a sitting president and his administration, that’s because it is. But the situation is even worse than it looks, mainly because the information in the assessment is not reliable. The ICA was corrupted by higher-ups in the Intel food-chain who selected particular analysts who could be trusted to produce a document that served their broader political agenda. Think I’m kidding? Take a look at this excerpt from an article at Fox News:

“On January 6, 2017, the U.S. Intelligence Community issued an “Intelligence Community Assessment” (ICA) that found Russia deliberately interfered in the 2016 presidential election to benefit Trump’s candidacy… (but) there are compelling reasons to believe this ICA was actually a politicized analysis that violated normal rules for crafting intelligence assessments…… to ensure this one reached the bottom line conclusion that the Obama administration was looking for.

….Director of National Intelligence James Clapper explained in his testimony that two dozen or so “seasoned experts” were “handpicked” from the contributing agencies” and drafted the ICA “under the aegis of his former office” … While Clapper claimed these analysts were given “complete independence” to reach their findings, he added that their conclusions “were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.”

This process drastically differed from the Intelligence Community’s normal procedures. Hand-picking a handful of analysts from just three intelligence agencies to write such a controversial assessment went against standing rules to vet such analyses throughout the Intelligence Community within its existing structure. The idea of using hand-picked intelligence analysts selected through some unknown process to write an assessment on such a politically sensitive topic carries a strong stench of politicization….

A major problem with this process is that it gave John Brennan, CIA’s hyper-partisan former director, enormous influence over the drafting of the ICA. Given Brennan’s scathing criticism of Mr. Trump before and after the election, he should have had no role whatsoever in the drafting of this assessment. Instead, Brennan probably selected the CIA analysts who worked on the ICA and reviewed and approved their conclusions….

The unusual way that the January 6, 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment was drafted raises major questions as to whether it was rigged by the Obama administration to produce conclusions that would discredit the election outcome and Mr. Trump’s presidency.”

(“More indications Intel assessment of Russian interference in election was rigged”, Fox News)

Repeat: “A politicized analysis that violated normal rules for crafting intelligence assessments.” That says it all, doesn’t it?

Let’s take a minute and review the main points in the article:

1–Was the Intelligence Community Assessment the summary work of all 17 US Intelligence Agencies?

No, it was not. “In his May 8 testimony to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing, Clapper confirmed …(that) the ICA reflected the views of only three intelligence agencies — CIA, NSA and FBI – not all 17.”

2–Did any of the analysts challenge the findings in the ICA?

No, the document failed to acknowledge any dissenting views, which suggests that the analysts were screened in order to create consensus.

3– Were particular analysts chosen to produce the ICA?

Yes, they were “handpicked from the contributing agencies” and drafted the ICA “under the aegis of his former office” (the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.)

4– Was their collaborative work released to the public in its original form?

No, their conclusions “were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.” (Clapper) This of course suggests that the document was political in nature and crafted to deliver a particular message.

5–Were Clapper’s methods “normal” by Intelligence agency standards?

Definitely not. “This process drastically differed from the Intelligence Community’s normal procedures.”

6–Are Clapper and Brennan partisans who have expressed their opposition to Trump many times in the past calling into question their ability to be objective in executing their duties as heads of their respective agencies?

Absolutely. Check out this clip from Monday’s Arkansas online:

“I think, in many ways, our institutions are under assault, both externally — and that’s the big news here, is the Russian interference in our election system,” said James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence. “I think as well our institutions are under assault internally.”

When he was asked, “Internally, from the president?” Clapper said, “Exactly.” (Clapper calls Trump democracy assailant”, arkansasonline)

Brennan has made numerous similar statements. (Note: It is particularly jarring that Clapper– who oversaw the implementation of the modern surveillance police state– feels free to talk about “the assault on our institutions.”)

7–Does the ICA prove that anyone on the Trump campaign colluded with Russia or that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections?

ORDER IT NOW

No, it doesn’t. What it shows is that –even while Clapper and Brennan may have been trying to produce an assessment that would ‘kill two birds with one stone’, (incriminate Russia and smear Trump at the same time) the ICA achieved neither. So far, there’s no proof of anything. Now take a look at this list I found in an article at The American Thinker:

“12 prominent public statements by those on both sides of the aisle who reviewed the evidence or been briefed on it confirmed there was no evidence of Russia trying to help Trump in the election or colluding with him:

The New York Times (Nov 1, 2016);
House Speaker Paul Ryan (Feb, 26, 2017);
Former DNI James Clapper , March 5, 2017);
Devin Nunes Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017);
James Comey, March 20, 2017;
Rep. Chris Stewart, House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017;
Rep. Adam Schiff, House Intelligence committee, April 2, 2017);
Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate Intelligence Committee, May 3, 2017);
Sen. Joe Manchin Senate Intelligence Committee, May 8, 2017;
James Clapper (again) (May 8, 2017);
Rep. Maxine Waters, May 9, 2017);
President Donald Trump,(May 9, 2017).
Senator Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that his briefing confirmed Dianne Feinstein’s view that the President was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians.”
(“Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table”, American Thinker)

Keep in mind, this is a list of the people who actually “reviewed the evidence”, and even they are not convinced. It just goes to show that the media blitz is not based on any compelling proof, but on the determination of behind-the-scenes elites who want to destroy their political rivals. Isn’t that what’s really going on?

How does former FBI Director James Comey fit into all this?

First of all, we need to set the record straight on Comey so readers don’t get the impression that he’s the devoted civil servant and all-around stand-up guy he’s made out to be in the media. Here’s a short clip from an article by Human Rights First that will help to put things into perspective:

“Five former FBI agents…raised concerns about his (Comey’s) support for a legal memorandum justifying torture and his defense of holding an American citizen indefinitely without charge. They note that Comey concurred with a May 10, 2005, Office of Legal Counsel opinion that authorized torture. While the agents credited Comey for opposing torture tactics in combination and on policy grounds, they note that Comey still approved the legal basis for use of specific torture tactics.

“These techniques include cramped confinement, wall-standing, water dousing, extended sleep deprivation, and waterboarding, all of which constitute torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment in contravention of domestic and international law,” the letter states.

Those signing the letter to the committee also objected to Comey’s defense of detaining Americans without charge or trial and observed, “Further, Mr. Comey vigorously defended the Bush administration’s decision to hold Jose Padilla, a United States citizen apprehended on U.S. soil, indefinitely without charge or trial for years in a military brig in Charleston, South Carolina.” (“FBI Agents Urge Senate Judiciary Committee to Question Comey on Torture, Indefinite Detention”, Human Rights First)

Get the picture?

Comey is a vicious political opportunist who doesn’t mind breaking a few legs if it’ll advance his career plans. I wouldn’t trust the man as far as I could throw him. Which isn’t far.

American Thinker’s Clarice Feldman explains why Comey launched his counter-intel investigation in July 2016 but failed to notify Congress until March 2017, a full eight months later. Here’s what she said:

“There is only one reasonable explanation for FBI Director James Comey to be launching a counter-intel investigation in July 2016, notifying the White House and Clapper, and keeping it under wraps from congress. Comey was a participant in the intelligence gathering for political purposes — wittingly, or unwittingly.” (“Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table”, American Thinker)

Are we suggesting that the heads of the so called Intelligence Community are at war with the Trump Administration and paving the way for impeachment proceedings?

Yep, we sure are. The Russia hacking fiasco is a regime change operation no different than the CIA’s 50-or-so other oustings in the last 70 years. The only difference is that this operation is on the home field which is why everyone is so flustered. These things are only suppose to happen in those “other” countries.

Does this analysis make me a Donald Trump supporter?

Never. The idea is ridiculous. Trump might be the worst US president of all time, in fact, he probably is. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t other nefarious forces at work behind the smokescreen of democratic government. There are. In fact, this whole flap suggests that there’s an alternate power-structure that operates completely off the public’s radar and has the elected-government in its death-grip. This largely invisible group of elites controls the likes of Brennan, Clapper and Comey. And, apparently, they have enough influence to challenge and maybe even remove an elected president from office. (We’ll see.)

And what’s more surprising, is that the Democrats have aligned themselves with these deep state puppetmasters. They’ve cast their lot with the sinister stewards of the national security state and hopped on the impeachment bandwagon. But is that a wise choice for the Dems?

Author Michael J. Glennon doesn’t think so. Here’s what he says in the May edition of Harper’s Magazine:

“Those who would counter the illiberalism of Trump with the illiberalism of unfettered bureaucrats would do well to contemplate the precedent their victory would set. …

American history is not silent about the proclivities of unchecked security forces, a short list of which includes the Palmer Raids, the FBI’s blackmailing of civil rights leaders, Army surveillance of the antiwar movement, the NSA’s watch lists, and the CIA’s waterboarding. …. Who would trust the authors of past episodes of repression as a reliable safeguard against future repression?”

(“Security Breach– Trump’s tussle with the bureaucratic state”, Michael J. Glennon, Harper’s Magazine)

“Who?”

The Democrats, that’s who.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    Since that Fox News blockbuster report, the Rich-family private investigator, Rod Wheeler, has disavowed and retracted the claims he had made earlier about Rich’s contacts with WikiLeaks. So that’s the end of that. The Rich family now has a DNC operative as their spokesperson, who is representing the family pro bono.

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    The Fox News report had two sources: Wheeler, and an anonymous federal investigator. The latter did not recant.
    , @Carlton Meyer
    Private investigator Rod Wheeler made a few bucks doing an investigation, but soon realized that he stirred up a high-level hornets nest. Whoever killed Rich would not hesitate to threaten Wheeler or his family or his pension. Suddenly, Wheeler recants everything that he recently put in writing, with no explanation. Soon he will claim that he never did the investigation and has never even been to DC.
    , @Sowhat
    I speculate that the DNC operative paid the Rich family hush money and is "watching over them.
    ...just speculation. After all, they are the Party of Death.
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  2. This is a coup. We are now officially Turkey, where the secret police and the army high command feel entitled to ‘vet’ our elected leaders, and overthrow them if they deem it necessary.

    In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state."

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?
    , @Biff
    Many believe, as do I(and the Kennedy family) that the intelligence community assassinated JFK, so this will be the second overthrow of the U.S. Government.
  3. woodNfish says:

    Whitney has a few moments of lucidity in the midst of his Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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    • Replies: @ManHunter
    I could not agree more. Despite the premise and substance of this article, Whitney fails to appreciate the fact that he himself is doing what he correctly ascribes to the Democrats and media when he states, "Trump may be the worst US president of all time"; there's no evidence for that claim either.
  4. As to, “Where are the journalists?” there was a classified annex to the PATRIOT that outlawed journalism. That’s why you haven’t seen any in the US for years. They tried to spread its reach to the world by a secret annex to FATCA, but that effort has largely been limited to the wimps in Europe.

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  5. sadly mike we are witnessing the several thousand strong bipartisan establishment rather destroy the united states as a governable nation instead of reforming themselves by putting the country first instead of their own venal interest.

    imo its hopeless.

    within a decade or two the usa is done as a superpower perhaps even a nation of the first rank. the way washington projects its power is through the us dollar as reserve currency. for now there is no substitute.

    once the dollar rallies strongly in the next few years as the euro project implodes and frightened money comes here looking for safety our exports from a high dollar will make for a profoundly deflationary evironment and doom our economy and with it out ability project power.

    our military is already a bit of a joke capable of only defeating the semi disarmed and poorly led. against true adversaries like russia and china the pentagon won’t even attempt a confrontation knowing they can not win.

    forget the internecine warfare going on in america. it is cancer cells attacking the remnants of a healthy american host and the media opinion makers are rooting for cancer to win.

    watch the dollar over the next few years as it rises in value our american future will grow dimmer. by 203? it will be lights here.

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  6. Antiwar7 says:
    @Mark Caplan
    Since that Fox News blockbuster report, the Rich-family private investigator, Rod Wheeler, has disavowed and retracted the claims he had made earlier about Rich's contacts with WikiLeaks. So that's the end of that. The Rich family now has a DNC operative as their spokesperson, who is representing the family pro bono.

    The Fox News report had two sources: Wheeler, and an anonymous federal investigator. The latter did not recant.

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  7. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Though never a Trump fan, I am becoming increasingly sympathetic to his plight. More and more, this is taking on the trappings of a coup d’etat.

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @epnngg
    Why should anyone have sympathy for the plight of the bumbling moron? The Donald is an inconsistent; incoherent mess and has always been part of the establishment. Yes, the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle and in the MSM is astounding but let's not feel sorry for President Trump, he's only another miserable cog in the Big Wheel.
  8. Erebus says:

    This largely invisible group of elites controls the likes of Brennan, Clapper and Comey. And, apparently, they have enough influence to challenge and maybe even remove an elected president from office. (We’ll see.)

    Well, I’m pretty convinced they removed 2 presidents in my lifetime. The first with extreme prejudice, namely JFK, and the 2nd somewhat less extremely, namely Nixon. They then gave Reagan & Clinton a damn good scare and forced them to come around to seeing the world as they wanted it seen.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That “invisible group” are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they’re making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they’ll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.

    They’re in the process of transforming themselves from subjects of conspiracy theories, to mainstream political players. Maybe it’s sooner than planned, and perhaps a little more chaotically than they would have wished, but the combination of geopolitical & economic/financial pressures with the rise of the Trumpian Deplorables has forced their hand. Should they ever get to end of that process, America will be indistinguishable from Orwell’s Oceania. The question is what can stop them?

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades’ worth of something long past rotten in DC.
    That base is growing, thanks in very large part to the invisible group’s damn-the-torpedoes onslaught. I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible.

    And then, the gates of hell break open in America.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible."

    But isn't the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait? I mean, we live in a dictatorship. Our liberty has been stripped away. We have nothing left. The future for our children is grim. How much longer will the Jews and the elites and the banksters strong arm us into submission? I keep hearing how our overlords are hell bent on eradicating the white race, and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil. What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?

    There are honestly serious questions. I would like to know your thoughts.

  9. Corvinus says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    This is a coup. We are now officially Turkey, where the secret police and the army high command feel entitled to 'vet' our elected leaders, and overthrow them if they deem it necessary.

    In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state.

    “In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state.”

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?

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    • LOL: Rurik
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Of course, since you don't believe any of this, none of what you say applies to you. As an obedient servant of the state, you have nothing at risk. You accept what the New York Times and Washington Post tell you. Like Doctor Pangloss, you live in the best of all possible worlds.

    So how can you call upon others to do, what you would never be willing to do - buck the system, in a way that might strip you of everything you have. Oh - that's right - you're a blowhard. That's how you can do that.
  10. Corvinus says:
    @Erebus

    This largely invisible group of elites controls the likes of Brennan, Clapper and Comey. And, apparently, they have enough influence to challenge and maybe even remove an elected president from office. (We’ll see.)
     
    Well, I'm pretty convinced they removed 2 presidents in my lifetime. The first with extreme prejudice, namely JFK, and the 2nd somewhat less extremely, namely Nixon. They then gave Reagan & Clinton a damn good scare and forced them to come around to seeing the world as they wanted it seen.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That "invisible group" are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they're making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they'll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.

    They're in the process of transforming themselves from subjects of conspiracy theories, to mainstream political players. Maybe it's sooner than planned, and perhaps a little more chaotically than they would have wished, but the combination of geopolitical & economic/financial pressures with the rise of the Trumpian Deplorables has forced their hand. Should they ever get to end of that process, America will be indistinguishable from Orwell's Oceania. The question is what can stop them?

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades' worth of something long past rotten in DC.
    That base is growing, thanks in very large part to the invisible group's damn-the-torpedoes onslaught. I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible.

    And then, the gates of hell break open in America.

    “I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible.”

    But isn’t the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait? I mean, we live in a dictatorship. Our liberty has been stripped away. We have nothing left. The future for our children is grim. How much longer will the Jews and the elites and the banksters strong arm us into submission? I keep hearing how our overlords are hell bent on eradicating the white race, and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil. What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?

    There are honestly serious questions. I would like to know your thoughts.

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    • Replies: @Erebus

    What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?
     
    Being neither American, nor living anywhere near it, the only dog I have in what is still an internal American struggle is that I live on the same planet. America being what it is, it's (what I believe to be) existential struggle may well spill over its borders to impact all, in some cases violently.
    So, I throw the question (quite seriously) backatchya. Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?

    But isn’t the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait?
     
    The swamp's ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America's geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To "drain the swamp" is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart.

    I made a comment on another thread that expresses my view on America's situation. You may be interested.
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/acuckalypse-now-the-budget-betrayal-and-trump-derangement-syndrome/#comment-1865244
    , @neutral

    and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil
     
    Don't understand this stupid snark, not a secret that almost every mainstream outlet celebrates American getting the demographics of Brazil, its also not too hard to see that America is close to 50% white (because MENA people are not white) and Brazil is somewhere around 40% white. Of course you will say that the only thing that matters is the magic dirt that America has and Brazil does not.
  11. Svigor says:

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?

    Post your address, tough guy, and we’ll find out.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That “invisible group” are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they’re making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they’ll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.

    Right; (((Big Media))) and the ruling class are spending a Hell of a lot of legitimacy on the campaign against Trump. And they’ve been bleeding legitimacy for years as it was.

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades’ worth of something long past rotten in DC.

    I keep trying to explain this “popular vote” thing:

    The Electoral College system is essentially mandatory voting: every person casts a vote via the electoral college, whether they actually fill out a ballot or not. Choosing not to fill out a ballot is a vote for “I’ll go with the majority’s decision.”

    The entire population of the United States of America is represented in this process: everyone is either a proxy (voter), or has his vote cast by a proxy.

    The “popular vote” mantra is the scuzzbucket Democrat way of dismissing the legitimacy of the people who vote by proxy. It’s Democrats’ way of saying these people don’t matter. And this from the party that claims to support mandatory voting!

    The will of the people is expressed in the Electoral College. And in the 2016 election, that will very much favored Trump over Clinton.

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    I keep trying to explain this “popular vote” thing:
     
    As this seems to be addressed to me, I'll say that I did not misunderstand either the legal-constitutional concept of the Electoral College, or its workings. I know well that Trump won the election as defined by the American Constitution. Perhaps I should have said "... won the popular vote count...".

    As for “I’ll go with the majority’s decision.”, that pretty much applies to any "first past the post" electoral system.
    , @jilles dykstra
    This talk about the election system reminds me of the guy who lost a lot of money at poker, then said 'I do not have to pay, the rules are wrong'.
    , @anarchyst
    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore "flyover country", as the east and west coasts would have enough "clout" to determine the direction of the vote.
    The electoral college is the "equalizer" which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states...
  12. Erebus says:
    @Corvinus
    "I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible."

    But isn't the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait? I mean, we live in a dictatorship. Our liberty has been stripped away. We have nothing left. The future for our children is grim. How much longer will the Jews and the elites and the banksters strong arm us into submission? I keep hearing how our overlords are hell bent on eradicating the white race, and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil. What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?

    There are honestly serious questions. I would like to know your thoughts.

    What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?

    Being neither American, nor living anywhere near it, the only dog I have in what is still an internal American struggle is that I live on the same planet. America being what it is, it’s (what I believe to be) existential struggle may well spill over its borders to impact all, in some cases violently.
    So, I throw the question (quite seriously) backatchya. Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?

    But isn’t the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait?

    The swamp’s ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America’s geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To “drain the swamp” is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart.

    I made a comment on another thread that expresses my view on America’s situation. You may be interested.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/acuckalypse-now-the-budget-betrayal-and-trump-derangement-syndrome/#comment-1865244

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    "Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?"

    Considering that Trump and company are in the process of several ongoing investigations regarding their financial relationships with Russians, they may not get the opportunity to Build That Wall and sign into law comprehensive immigration reform.

    "The swamp’s ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America’s geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To “drain the swamp” is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart."

    Exactly why "Drain The Swamp" is a useless meme and Trumpian propaganda tool.

    "Inside the US, I fear that the same, or worse than the USSR’s catastrophic collapse is in the cards."

    Perhaps America will experience a civil war and breakup. Then again, maybe not.
  13. Erebus says:
    @Svigor

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?
     
    Post your address, tough guy, and we'll find out.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That “invisible group” are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they’re making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they’ll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.
     
    Right; (((Big Media))) and the ruling class are spending a Hell of a lot of legitimacy on the campaign against Trump. And they've been bleeding legitimacy for years as it was.

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades’ worth of something long past rotten in DC.
     
    I keep trying to explain this "popular vote" thing:

    The Electoral College system is essentially mandatory voting: every person casts a vote via the electoral college, whether they actually fill out a ballot or not. Choosing not to fill out a ballot is a vote for "I'll go with the majority's decision."

    The entire population of the United States of America is represented in this process: everyone is either a proxy (voter), or has his vote cast by a proxy.

    The "popular vote" mantra is the scuzzbucket Democrat way of dismissing the legitimacy of the people who vote by proxy. It's Democrats' way of saying these people don't matter. And this from the party that claims to support mandatory voting!

    The will of the people is expressed in the Electoral College. And in the 2016 election, that will very much favored Trump over Clinton.

    I keep trying to explain this “popular vote” thing:

    As this seems to be addressed to me, I’ll say that I did not misunderstand either the legal-constitutional concept of the Electoral College, or its workings. I know well that Trump won the election as defined by the American Constitution. Perhaps I should have said “… won the popular vote count…”.

    As for “I’ll go with the majority’s decision.”, that pretty much applies to any “first past the post” electoral system.

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  14. Svigor says:

    As this seems to be addressed to me, I’ll say that I did not misunderstand either the legal-constitutional concept of the Electoral College, or its workings. I know well that Trump won the election as defined by the American Constitution. Perhaps I should have said “… won the popular vote count…”.

    As for “I’ll go with the majority’s decision.”, that pretty much applies to any “first past the post” electoral system.

    My point is that talk of “the popular vote” should be met with derision, not entertained or repeated.

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  15. I think your all crazy there… I was born in Canada of Scottish decent, and I won’t go to the States anymore. You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers. It’s like being a dutch farmer hearing about the candle-light vigils of the NAZI’s from Holland mid last century. I tell my family to stay away.

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    You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers.
     
    They people who own guns are not your problem. Quite the contrary.
    , @Colleen Pater
    We are a people who over threw what we were convinced was a tyranny, I wont argue for democracy and its alleged virtues from this point in history, but at the time we thought it worth a try. It doesn't matter really the people are always the vestige of violent veto on any type of government. The ability to defend by violence is the basis of all ownership, the foundation of civilization. In the end the people own the nation.How a people decide after that to outsource their own management may vary.
    One thing Americans understood was once a management team was hired whether king or comintern they tended to attempt to transform their appointment into fee simple title. And once in that position to change the terms of management to tyranny. Our founders attempted perhaps naively, to prevent this by constitutionally forbidding the state from maintaining a standing army and enshrining the right of the people to bear arms .
    Somehow canadians turned out to be sissies, I dont know how that happened, but like most of europe youve lost the manly virtue of independence and rely on nanny state to wipe you and give you your bottle. And of course defend you. And tell you what to do and what to think. Half of americans have managed to avoid this sissification and have been in a 200 year culture war with the left, we are damn sure not giving up our guns in the midst of a civil war, they are ironically the only thing that has prevented the civil war from continuing as a hot civil war as it has twice flared into, and may again very very soon. Also canadians do not have many blacks, blacks are the other reason americans insist on having guns blacks are extremely dangerous animals brought here by you Brits then freed by you brits, or brit descendants. We now have to deal with these animals roaming free.If not for our guns all these murders in america you hear about which are to a large extent propaganda manipulation of data, but anyway those murders such as they are would be perpetrated on us whites rather than on their fellow animals. White gun statistics in america differ little than other white nations. It is a wonder one never hears the sissies whine about swiss guns though.
    , @jilles dykstra
    I'm Dutch, never heard about German candle lights.
  16. America is too important to be left to Americans. You should be proud that others take an interest.

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  17. @Mark Caplan
    Since that Fox News blockbuster report, the Rich-family private investigator, Rod Wheeler, has disavowed and retracted the claims he had made earlier about Rich's contacts with WikiLeaks. So that's the end of that. The Rich family now has a DNC operative as their spokesperson, who is representing the family pro bono.

    Private investigator Rod Wheeler made a few bucks doing an investigation, but soon realized that he stirred up a high-level hornets nest. Whoever killed Rich would not hesitate to threaten Wheeler or his family or his pension. Suddenly, Wheeler recants everything that he recently put in writing, with no explanation. Soon he will claim that he never did the investigation and has never even been to DC.

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    Exactly.

    I would not be surprised if.... in a week or so...our good Mr Wheeler has forgotten how to speak english altogether.

    What does this "Russia-gate" thing remind me of...especially in lieu of the total blackout on Seth Rich ?

    Imagine we are all sitting in an Opera house.

    In the front row is the Trump family, and off to the right, six rows back, is the Clinton family.

    Out of nowhere, Bill Clinton stands up, points his finger at the Donald...and yells at the top of his lungs

    "PRESIDENT TRUMP GRABBED MONICA LEWINSKY BY THE PUSSY ...IMPEACH HIM !".
    , @Erebus
    Since Wheeler and the Riches found the dead horse heads at the foot of their beds, things started happening...

    Kim Dotcom announced he's prepared to submit written testimony, with real evidence to Congress should they include Seth Rich's death in their probe into Russian election tampering.

    I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved. https://t.co/MbGQteHhZM
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

    I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly.
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017
     
    Then, Newt Gingrich, on Fox News, says: "... (Rich) was assassinated at 4 in the morning after having giving Wikileaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments. Nobody’s investigating that. And what does that tell you about what is going on?"

    Well, we know that Kim's chances of attracting Congressional interest was just about nil, but then Sean Hannity invited Dotcom to discuss his evidence in the Seth Rich case on his shows.

    Stay tuned. Public invitation Kim Dotcom to be a guest on radio and TV. #GameChanger Buckle up destroy Trump media. Sheep that u all are!!! https://t.co/3qLwXCGl6z
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 20, 2017
     
    Most recently, he tweeted:

    Complete panic has set in at the highest levels of the Democratic Party. Any bets when the kitchen sink is dumped on my head?? https://t.co/Zt2gIX4zyq
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 22, 2017
     
    So, I'm taking heart. The swamp may be getting warm.
  18. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state."

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?

    Of course, since you don’t believe any of this, none of what you say applies to you. As an obedient servant of the state, you have nothing at risk. You accept what the New York Times and Washington Post tell you. Like Doctor Pangloss, you live in the best of all possible worlds.

    So how can you call upon others to do, what you would never be willing to do – buck the system, in a way that might strip you of everything you have. Oh – that’s right – you’re a blowhard. That’s how you can do that.

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    "Of course, since you don’t believe any of this, none of what you say applies to you."

    We still have a Constitution. We are not living under a dictatorship. Complete Fake News stories.

    "As an obedient servant of the state, you have nothing at risk."

    I'm not at risk because the people here who call me a traitor or who believe I will be a target for murder are only blowing off steam. They do not have the guile nor guts to do anything about it.

    "You accept what the New York Times and Washington Post tell you. Like Doctor Pangloss, you live in the best of all possible worlds."

    I read a host of sources from both sides of the political spectrum and make up my own mind.

    "So how can you call upon others to do, what you would never be willing to do – buck the system, in a way that might strip you of everything you have. Oh – that’s right – you’re a blowhard. That’s how you can do that."

    Projection suits you here. Are you willing to risk everything to change the system, knowing that every day you sit on the sidelines the Jews and the banksters and the corporcrats are stealing from you and your children? Or are you just going to complain day to day on this fine blog?
  19. Mr. Anon says:
    @Random Guy
    I think your all crazy there... I was born in Canada of Scottish decent, and I won't go to the States anymore. You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers. It's like being a dutch farmer hearing about the candle-light vigils of the NAZI's from Holland mid last century. I tell my family to stay away.

    You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers.

    They people who own guns are not your problem. Quite the contrary.

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  20. alexander says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Private investigator Rod Wheeler made a few bucks doing an investigation, but soon realized that he stirred up a high-level hornets nest. Whoever killed Rich would not hesitate to threaten Wheeler or his family or his pension. Suddenly, Wheeler recants everything that he recently put in writing, with no explanation. Soon he will claim that he never did the investigation and has never even been to DC.

    Exactly.

    I would not be surprised if…. in a week or so…our good Mr Wheeler has forgotten how to speak english altogether.

    What does this “Russia-gate” thing remind me of…especially in lieu of the total blackout on Seth Rich ?

    Imagine we are all sitting in an Opera house.

    In the front row is the Trump family, and off to the right, six rows back, is the Clinton family.

    Out of nowhere, Bill Clinton stands up, points his finger at the Donald…and yells at the top of his lungs

    “PRESIDENT TRUMP GRABBED MONICA LEWINSKY BY THE PUSSY …IMPEACH HIM !”.

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  21. The author writes well, and makes a good case using logical analysis and known facts. But to a leftist, that’s just the trouble: they don’t use reality-based facts, they use feelings about what is supposed to happen and what people should be thinking. They don’t use logic, they use whatever innuendo and nebulous association of secondary and tertiary ephemera gets them to the predetermined goal of regurgitating the Holy Narrative.

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  22. polistra says:

    The author says that if he worked for media or FBI he’d be beating the bushes.

    Nope.

    Simple logic.

    If the Russian hacking version is true, there’s no reason to beat the bushes. Everything coming out of media and FBI is true.

    If it’s not true, then Seth Rich was killed by the Clintons, which is consistent with a 40 year history of Clinton mafia action. If you work in media or FBI, you KNOW FOR SURE that the Clintons kill their enemies. You don’t want to die, so you go along with the official line.

    Those are the two possibilities. Neither one leads to public exposure of truth.

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  23. @Random Guy
    I think your all crazy there... I was born in Canada of Scottish decent, and I won't go to the States anymore. You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers. It's like being a dutch farmer hearing about the candle-light vigils of the NAZI's from Holland mid last century. I tell my family to stay away.

    We are a people who over threw what we were convinced was a tyranny, I wont argue for democracy and its alleged virtues from this point in history, but at the time we thought it worth a try. It doesn’t matter really the people are always the vestige of violent veto on any type of government. The ability to defend by violence is the basis of all ownership, the foundation of civilization. In the end the people own the nation.How a people decide after that to outsource their own management may vary.
    One thing Americans understood was once a management team was hired whether king or comintern they tended to attempt to transform their appointment into fee simple title. And once in that position to change the terms of management to tyranny. Our founders attempted perhaps naively, to prevent this by constitutionally forbidding the state from maintaining a standing army and enshrining the right of the people to bear arms .
    Somehow canadians turned out to be sissies, I dont know how that happened, but like most of europe youve lost the manly virtue of independence and rely on nanny state to wipe you and give you your bottle. And of course defend you. And tell you what to do and what to think. Half of americans have managed to avoid this sissification and have been in a 200 year culture war with the left, we are damn sure not giving up our guns in the midst of a civil war, they are ironically the only thing that has prevented the civil war from continuing as a hot civil war as it has twice flared into, and may again very very soon. Also canadians do not have many blacks, blacks are the other reason americans insist on having guns blacks are extremely dangerous animals brought here by you Brits then freed by you brits, or brit descendants. We now have to deal with these animals roaming free.If not for our guns all these murders in america you hear about which are to a large extent propaganda manipulation of data, but anyway those murders such as they are would be perpetrated on us whites rather than on their fellow animals. White gun statistics in america differ little than other white nations. It is a wonder one never hears the sissies whine about swiss guns though.

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  24. neutral says:

    All the neocons/SJW/neoliberals (pretty much all the same thing now) don’t believe in a nation yet they still believe in “national security”, I don’t think it will be too long until the term is replaced with a more acceptable (according to them) “global security”.

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  25. neutral says:
    @Corvinus
    "I doubt the awakening is big enough today to put a million armed Deplorables on Capital Hill, but if these invisible elites continue to flounder like this, they may awaken just enough of the population to make that possible."

    But isn't the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait? I mean, we live in a dictatorship. Our liberty has been stripped away. We have nothing left. The future for our children is grim. How much longer will the Jews and the elites and the banksters strong arm us into submission? I keep hearing how our overlords are hell bent on eradicating the white race, and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil. What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?

    There are honestly serious questions. I would like to know your thoughts.

    and that we are well on our way to becoming Brazil

    Don’t understand this stupid snark, not a secret that almost every mainstream outlet celebrates American getting the demographics of Brazil, its also not too hard to see that America is close to 50% white (because MENA people are not white) and Brazil is somewhere around 40% white. Of course you will say that the only thing that matters is the magic dirt that America has and Brazil does not.

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  26. It is incomprehensible to me why USA citizens who want the truth bother with details since Sept 11.
    Anyone with the guts to see through propaganda now knows what USA politicians and media are capable of.

    Even those who refuse to see Sept 11 for what it is, must see the mess the USA created, still creates, in Middle East, and North Africa, soon also in middle Africa, when the drone base in Nigeria will be in operation.

    It is quite possible that Russia tried to influence USA elections, as Obama did with the French.
    The difference is only that the USA is entitled to do such things, but not Russia.

    I still hope that Trump wants good, normal, relations with Russia, as long as I can keep this hope, Deep State will try to remove Trump one way or another, and will continue the anti Russian propaganda.
    Once Trump is removed, the war can begin.
    As Sol Bloom, a friend of Roosevelt, writes in his memoirs, ‘the great accomplishment of Roosevelt was to prepare the USA people slowly for war’.

    We now can write ‘the great accomplishment of CNN, Washpost and NYT, is to prepare the USA people for war against Russia’.

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  27. @Random Guy
    I think your all crazy there... I was born in Canada of Scottish decent, and I won't go to the States anymore. You are a military dictatorship and gun worshipers. It's like being a dutch farmer hearing about the candle-light vigils of the NAZI's from Holland mid last century. I tell my family to stay away.

    I’m Dutch, never heard about German candle lights.

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  28. @Willem Hendrik
    America is too important to be left to Americans. You should be proud that others take an interest.

    The USA is not America.

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  29. @Svigor

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?
     
    Post your address, tough guy, and we'll find out.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That “invisible group” are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they’re making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they’ll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.
     
    Right; (((Big Media))) and the ruling class are spending a Hell of a lot of legitimacy on the campaign against Trump. And they've been bleeding legitimacy for years as it was.

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades’ worth of something long past rotten in DC.
     
    I keep trying to explain this "popular vote" thing:

    The Electoral College system is essentially mandatory voting: every person casts a vote via the electoral college, whether they actually fill out a ballot or not. Choosing not to fill out a ballot is a vote for "I'll go with the majority's decision."

    The entire population of the United States of America is represented in this process: everyone is either a proxy (voter), or has his vote cast by a proxy.

    The "popular vote" mantra is the scuzzbucket Democrat way of dismissing the legitimacy of the people who vote by proxy. It's Democrats' way of saying these people don't matter. And this from the party that claims to support mandatory voting!

    The will of the people is expressed in the Electoral College. And in the 2016 election, that will very much favored Trump over Clinton.

    This talk about the election system reminds me of the guy who lost a lot of money at poker, then said ‘I do not have to pay, the rules are wrong’.

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  30. ManHunter says:
    @woodNfish
    Whitney has a few moments of lucidity in the midst of his Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    I could not agree more. Despite the premise and substance of this article, Whitney fails to appreciate the fact that he himself is doing what he correctly ascribes to the Democrats and media when he states, “Trump may be the worst US president of all time”; there’s no evidence for that claim either.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Exactly.

    Whitney is justifying the outrageous attacks against Trump and his supporters.
  31. “Trump might be the worst US president of all time, in fact, he probably is.”

    I am no fan of Trump, but how can anyone make such a statement concerning someone that has only been in office for 4 months? I have noticed Whitney’s writing before. He has ridiculous comments inserted in with lucid ones. I wonder if his residence in Washington State is the cause of his delusions?

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  32. Che Guava says:

    We are now officially Turkey, where the secret police and the army high command feel entitled to ‘vet’ our elected leaders, and overthrow them if they deem it necessary.

    That statement is confused on so many levels.

    I haven’t seen one convincing analysis of the recent failed coup in Turkey, but my impression is that they were Kemalists, wanting to get rid of Sultan Erdogan for very good reasons.

    Erdogan claims it was due to his fellow Islamist, Gulen.

    Point is, the coup was a massive failure, and almost certainly incited by those loyal to Erdogan, as a piece of theatre to maximise the vote for him in his referendum to assume despotic power.

    He has sacked hundreds of thousands, military, judicial, and civil service, arrested tens of thousands, closed many educational institutions.

    None of that in the USA.

    As a sympathizer with constitutionalist, freedom-loving, and oppressed USA people, it is clear that if Trump were at all sincere about his campaign promises, he needs to do a much better job of decapitating the political appointees in the civil service (unlike the victims in Turkey, no tears need be shed, they would all end up in other kinds of overly remunerated playtime).

    He would do well to cut fed. money for the courses in culti-Marxi, etc., and to universities emphasizing that.

    Since none of that is going to happen (unfortunately) there may be another key factor.

    Turkey was best buddies with Israel for a long time, and almost has returned to that.

    They were never a colony of Israel.

    The USA is. Witness Prex Trump’s craven obsequiousness right now (or in the last 24 hours).

    The tail that wags the dog, indeed.

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  33. Agent76 says:

    Jan 2, 2017 BOOM! CNN Caught Using Video Game Image In Fake Russian Hacking Story

    It looks like CNN Has tried to pull the wool over our eyes once again. This time, they used a screenshot from the Fallout 4 Video game to paint the picture of Russian Hacking. To bad that’s not what a real hacking screen looks like. And an image you will only find in the video game!

    December 28, 2016 OUTRAGEOUS: Election hacks traced back to Obama’s Department of Homeland Security

    In an unbelievable development that ought to outrage every single American, election officials in Georgia are essentially accusing the Obama administration of attempting to hack into the state’s electronic balloting machines in what appears to be a naked political ploy.

    http://www.newstarget.com/2016-12-28-election-hacks-traced-back-to-obamas-department-of-homeland-security.html

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  34. Agent76 says:

    Jan 3, 2017 With Rule 41 the FBI Is Now Officially the Enemy of All Computer Users

    Rick Falkvinge, founder of the original pirate party and head of privacy at PrivateInternetAccess com, joins us to discuss his recent article, “Today, the FBI becomes the enemy of every computer user and every IT security professional worldwide.”

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  35. Erebus says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Private investigator Rod Wheeler made a few bucks doing an investigation, but soon realized that he stirred up a high-level hornets nest. Whoever killed Rich would not hesitate to threaten Wheeler or his family or his pension. Suddenly, Wheeler recants everything that he recently put in writing, with no explanation. Soon he will claim that he never did the investigation and has never even been to DC.

    Since Wheeler and the Riches found the dead horse heads at the foot of their beds, things started happening…

    Kim Dotcom announced he’s prepared to submit written testimony, with real evidence to Congress should they include Seth Rich’s death in their probe into Russian election tampering.

    I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved. https://t.co/MbGQteHhZM
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

    I’m meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly.
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

    Then, Newt Gingrich, on Fox News, says: “… (Rich) was assassinated at 4 in the morning after having giving Wikileaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments. Nobody’s investigating that. And what does that tell you about what is going on?”

    Well, we know that Kim’s chances of attracting Congressional interest was just about nil, but then Sean Hannity invited Dotcom to discuss his evidence in the Seth Rich case on his shows.

    Stay tuned. Public invitation Kim Dotcom to be a guest on radio and TV. #GameChanger Buckle up destroy Trump media. Sheep that u all are!!! https://t.co/3qLwXCGl6z
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 20, 2017

    Most recently, he tweeted:

    Complete panic has set in at the highest levels of the Democratic Party. Any bets when the kitchen sink is dumped on my head?? https://t.co/Zt2gIX4zyq
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 22, 2017

    So, I’m taking heart. The swamp may be getting warm.

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  36. anarchyst says:
    @Svigor

    Assuming this is the case, are you going to sit there and take it like an impotent chump? Or, since you are imprisoned in this cage, will you channel your inner white rage and lead the charge to rid yourself from those who control you?
     
    Post your address, tough guy, and we'll find out.

    Frankly, I am greatly heartened by this recent brouhaha. That “invisible group” are outing themselves. By the ferocity and volume of their totally overblown, caricaturized(sp?) accusations, they’re making their existence and program pretty plain to alert citizens, and by continuing along this path they’ll cause more and more of the inattentive to awaken. Now, even the likes of CNBC are suggesting that the assault on Trump looks more like a coup than partisan political infighting.
     
    Right; (((Big Media))) and the ruling class are spending a Hell of a lot of legitimacy on the campaign against Trump. And they've been bleeding legitimacy for years as it was.

    Whether he won the popular vote or not, it is clear that Trump has a massive voter base that knows, however vaguely, that there is an Everglades’ worth of something long past rotten in DC.
     
    I keep trying to explain this "popular vote" thing:

    The Electoral College system is essentially mandatory voting: every person casts a vote via the electoral college, whether they actually fill out a ballot or not. Choosing not to fill out a ballot is a vote for "I'll go with the majority's decision."

    The entire population of the United States of America is represented in this process: everyone is either a proxy (voter), or has his vote cast by a proxy.

    The "popular vote" mantra is the scuzzbucket Democrat way of dismissing the legitimacy of the people who vote by proxy. It's Democrats' way of saying these people don't matter. And this from the party that claims to support mandatory voting!

    The will of the people is expressed in the Electoral College. And in the 2016 election, that will very much favored Trump over Clinton.

    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore “flyover country”, as the east and west coasts would have enough “clout” to determine the direction of the vote.
    The electoral college is the “equalizer” which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states…

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    • Replies: @utu
    It is not the electoral college but the electoral college plus the rule "the winner takes all" in most of the states. W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.
    , @Joe Franklin

    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore “flyover country”, as the east and west coasts would have enough “clout” to determine the direction of the vote

     

    The electoral college also moderates the effects of voter fraud typically perpetrated in democrat and neocon populated urban areas.
    , @anon
    but it is a wrong solution to a vexing problem . Moving those people of "flyover country to coastal areas will still not solve the problem( their not of the nation )

    Take the total vote of the nation and let that tally decide who is nationwide elected Stop delegates or state wise voting for president

    also it is time to start choosing the cabinet members from the elected Congressman or Senators . The vetting and choosing and selecting process is unnecessary drain on time and energy and gives control to the corp orates more ( or we can says some of the controls from the deep state can be wrested away by electing the cabinet remembers )
  37. Che Guava says:

    Must adding, another very good article from Mike Whitney.

    Assange, a man of impeccable integrity?

    It is Julian, not Julien.

    I cannot vouch for impeccable. As a hacker, sure, no approval of the fraud types (minuscule at the time, but there).

    Past that slight connection at second-degree of separation, he is the media figure to me.

    Doesn’t like to wash, so a dirty hippy. Reportedly extremely smelly. I would imagine the Ecuadorian embassy has house-trained him.

    Attempts at political treatises are sub-undergraduate and pompous.

    Led by his penis, thus the trap in Sweden.

    Also done some great things, and been betrayed by MSM organisations (NYT and Guardian come to mind, in particular, the latter never shut up about the false rape charges).

    Now that those are over, it would be beautiful if Queen Elizabeth would grant him a pardon for his default on bail.

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  38. geokat62 says:

    The electoral college is the “equalizer” which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states…

    That’s the theory. The reality is more like:

    The electoral college is the “equalizer” which forces the candidates to campaign in all 15 battleground states…

    or better still:

    The electoral college is the “equalizer” which forces the candidates to campaign in all 5 states (CO, FL, NV, OH, VA) that have been truly competitive over the last five presidential elections…

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  39. utu says:
    @anarchyst
    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore "flyover country", as the east and west coasts would have enough "clout" to determine the direction of the vote.
    The electoral college is the "equalizer" which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states...

    It is not the electoral college but the electoral college plus the rule “the winner takes all” in most of the states. W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.

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    • Replies: @res

    W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.
     
    No. Voting power has a 3x range over the states: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/11/presidential_election_a_map_showing_the_vote_power_of_all_50_states.html
  40. Corvinus says:
    @Erebus

    What awakening will it take for YOU to leave your armchair and become a warrior?
     
    Being neither American, nor living anywhere near it, the only dog I have in what is still an internal American struggle is that I live on the same planet. America being what it is, it's (what I believe to be) existential struggle may well spill over its borders to impact all, in some cases violently.
    So, I throw the question (quite seriously) backatchya. Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?

    But isn’t the time now to drain this swamp? Why wait?
     
    The swamp's ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America's geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To "drain the swamp" is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart.

    I made a comment on another thread that expresses my view on America's situation. You may be interested.
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/acuckalypse-now-the-budget-betrayal-and-trump-derangement-syndrome/#comment-1865244

    “Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?”

    Considering that Trump and company are in the process of several ongoing investigations regarding their financial relationships with Russians, they may not get the opportunity to Build That Wall and sign into law comprehensive immigration reform.

    “The swamp’s ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America’s geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To “drain the swamp” is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart.”

    Exactly why “Drain The Swamp” is a useless meme and Trumpian propaganda tool.

    “Inside the US, I fear that the same, or worse than the USSR’s catastrophic collapse is in the cards.”

    Perhaps America will experience a civil war and breakup. Then again, maybe not.

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    Save the smart-ass comments, bitch. The Phoenix Program is coming to America. The final solution is to exterminate all liberals. That includes you.
  41. The USA electoral system dates back to the time individual states were important.
    The GB system, the same.
    The French system, to the time De Gaulle wanted powers to be able to rule the country.
    Generals fight the last war, just German generals in WWII had no expirience in WWI, as had French genererals, so German tanks were more than twice as fast as French tanks, and the German system for fuelling tanks, jerrycans, was so much faster than the French system, tank lorries, with a waiting line, that France could be overrun.
    At present in Europe we see that the election system is such that the majority in countried with high unemployment, the southern countries, those in the ages of 18 to 35 or so, are contemplating rebellion.
    At the same time, the euro is the cause of the unemployment, devaluation impossible, to make the country competitive in a moment, Schäuble, a euro profiteer, is talking about ‘strenghtening the euro zone’.
    Politicians fight the the last fight.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Post Napoleon, when has the French army ever been any good?
    Their army was bigger than Germany's and they had more tanks than the Germans.
    Not to mention that the French navy dwarfed the size of the German navy.
    True also for Britain and the USSR.

    Yet, it's the Germans who allegedly 'wanted to take over the world'.

    Have a look at a world map at the outset of WWII.
    Who had taken over & ruled the world?

    q: 'Why are French streets lined with trees?'

    a: 'Because the Germans like to march in the shade.'

  42. @Erebus
    Since Wheeler and the Riches found the dead horse heads at the foot of their beds, things started happening...

    Kim Dotcom announced he's prepared to submit written testimony, with real evidence to Congress should they include Seth Rich's death in their probe into Russian election tampering.

    I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved. https://t.co/MbGQteHhZM
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

    I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly.
    — Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017
     
    Then, Newt Gingrich, on Fox News, says: "... (Rich) was assassinated at 4 in the morning after having giving Wikileaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments. Nobody’s investigating that. And what does that tell you about what is going on?"

    Well, we know that Kim's chances of attracting Congressional interest was just about nil, but then Sean Hannity invited Dotcom to discuss his evidence in the Seth Rich case on his shows.

    Stay tuned. Public invitation Kim Dotcom to be a guest on radio and TV. #GameChanger Buckle up destroy Trump media. Sheep that u all are!!! https://t.co/3qLwXCGl6z
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 20, 2017
     
    Most recently, he tweeted:

    Complete panic has set in at the highest levels of the Democratic Party. Any bets when the kitchen sink is dumped on my head?? https://t.co/Zt2gIX4zyq
    — Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) May 22, 2017
     
    So, I'm taking heart. The swamp may be getting warm.

    Thanks for that info!

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    WND has a good update on developments, even though it is "according to a WND source close to the situation."...
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

    The frustration in trying to figure out what is going on is that the world is now full of "sound and fury" signifying, not nothing but the frantic efforts by competing factions to control narratives. The noise is everywhere, all the time, and reading 30k words of crap to glean 1k words of plausibility requires an ongoing investment that's difficult to maintain. So, I've taken a different tack...
    Take the Manchester bomb last night. Too early, and too little info for me to come to any sort of conclusion, but nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. Right or wrong, they provide an invaluable yeoman's service in ferreting out what really happened.
    I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. It's the "Why?" behind the "How?". So, I'll wait to see whether the West should "Bomb Iran/Syria/Yemen!", or if "The Russians did it!" after all. Maybe it was the "Brexit" supporters, or the "Bremains". I don't know at this point, but it will clear up soon. 19-20 dead, so this is big enough to set the stage for somebody's meme.

    Apropos the Seth Rich/email saga...
    I was excitedly directed to a poster who appeared on 4Chan recently, claiming to be the ER surgeon on duty when Rich was brought in. The poster says the wounds were not life threatening, gives some details of his/her treatment of Rich's routine abdominal gunshot wounds, and weaves a coherent, professional sounding narrative about hospital routines and their disruption by Law Enforcement. All quite plausible, except for the fact that his/her timeline makes no sense, and contradicts what is officially known. Also, (s)he'd be trivial to identify, so why bother with anonymity? IOW, probably a provocation, so I wasted half an hour finding and reading it.
  43. Wally says:
    @ManHunter
    I could not agree more. Despite the premise and substance of this article, Whitney fails to appreciate the fact that he himself is doing what he correctly ascribes to the Democrats and media when he states, "Trump may be the worst US president of all time"; there's no evidence for that claim either.

    Exactly.

    Whitney is justifying the outrageous attacks against Trump and his supporters.

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  44. Wally says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra
    The USA electoral system dates back to the time individual states were important.
    The GB system, the same.
    The French system, to the time De Gaulle wanted powers to be able to rule the country.
    Generals fight the last war, just German generals in WWII had no expirience in WWI, as had French genererals, so German tanks were more than twice as fast as French tanks, and the German system for fuelling tanks, jerrycans, was so much faster than the French system, tank lorries, with a waiting line, that France could be overrun.
    At present in Europe we see that the election system is such that the majority in countried with high unemployment, the southern countries, those in the ages of 18 to 35 or so, are contemplating rebellion.
    At the same time, the euro is the cause of the unemployment, devaluation impossible, to make the country competitive in a moment, Schäuble, a euro profiteer, is talking about 'strenghtening the euro zone'.
    Politicians fight the the last fight.

    Post Napoleon, when has the French army ever been any good?
    Their army was bigger than Germany’s and they had more tanks than the Germans.
    Not to mention that the French navy dwarfed the size of the German navy.
    True also for Britain and the USSR.

    Yet, it’s the Germans who allegedly ‘wanted to take over the world’.

    Have a look at a world map at the outset of WWII.
    Who had taken over & ruled the world?

    q: ‘Why are French streets lined with trees?’

    a: ‘Because the Germans like to march in the shade.’

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  45. @anarchyst
    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore "flyover country", as the east and west coasts would have enough "clout" to determine the direction of the vote.
    The electoral college is the "equalizer" which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states...

    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore “flyover country”, as the east and west coasts would have enough “clout” to determine the direction of the vote

    The electoral college also moderates the effects of voter fraud typically perpetrated in democrat and neocon populated urban areas.

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  46. Biff says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    This is a coup. We are now officially Turkey, where the secret police and the army high command feel entitled to 'vet' our elected leaders, and overthrow them if they deem it necessary.

    In case there was any doubt, the constitution is now officially dead. We are a dictatorship run by the deep state.

    Many believe, as do I(and the Kennedy family) that the intelligence community assassinated JFK, so this will be the second overthrow of the U.S. Government.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    Wrong Biff. The real coup on which all others hinge occurred in 1861. Several other comparatively minor ones have taken place over the years, with the assassination of JFK and the 9/11 false-flag attack being only two of the more obvious.
  47. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anarchyst
    The electoral college was put in place to keep the major population centers from determining the vote. Without the electoral college, the prospective presidential candidates would only have to cater to the major population centers and could safely ignore "flyover country", as the east and west coasts would have enough "clout" to determine the direction of the vote.
    The electoral college is the "equalizer" which forces the candidates to campaign in all 50 states...

    but it is a wrong solution to a vexing problem . Moving those people of “flyover country to coastal areas will still not solve the problem( their not of the nation )

    Take the total vote of the nation and let that tally decide who is nationwide elected Stop delegates or state wise voting for president

    also it is time to start choosing the cabinet members from the elected Congressman or Senators . The vetting and choosing and selecting process is unnecessary drain on time and energy and gives control to the corp orates more ( or we can says some of the controls from the deep state can be wrested away by electing the cabinet remembers )

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  48. Agent76 says:

    May 21, 2017 The Coming Shift to Cosmic Fascism (Part II)

    The Assassination of JFK in broad daylight triggered the emergence of Super fascism in America. Super Fascism has facilitated the emergence of a Secret Shadow Government (SSG) which in turn has transformed the USG in DC into a ceremonial puppet of the SSG, destroyed the Rule of Law and neutralized the protections of the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/21/the-coming-shift-to-cosmic-fascism-part-ii/

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  49. JamesinNM says:

    Identify suspects in Seth killing, prosecute, convict, and execute the guilty.

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    • Replies: @englishmike
    Identify suspects in Seth killing, prosecute, convict, and execute the guilty.

    Then appoint a special prosecutor to investigate those involved in fabricating a fake "Russian hacking" conspiracy for the purposes of
    1. covering up the murder and
    2. instigating a coup against the legitimately elected President of the USA.
  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "Will the Deplorables put their money on the table, and at what point will they do that?"

    Considering that Trump and company are in the process of several ongoing investigations regarding their financial relationships with Russians, they may not get the opportunity to Build That Wall and sign into law comprehensive immigration reform.

    "The swamp’s ooze has permeated all of the power structures of the body politic, and its vapours much of the society. It cannot be drained in a day, and it cannot be drained without massive dislocation of both America’s geo-political position, and its national cohesion. To “drain the swamp” is to manage the dissolution of a global empire while the resulting centrifugal forces work to tear the homeland apart."

    Exactly why "Drain The Swamp" is a useless meme and Trumpian propaganda tool.

    "Inside the US, I fear that the same, or worse than the USSR’s catastrophic collapse is in the cards."

    Perhaps America will experience a civil war and breakup. Then again, maybe not.

    Save the smart-ass comments, bitch. The Phoenix Program is coming to America. The final solution is to exterminate all liberals. That includes you.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Save the smart-ass comments, bitch. The Phoenix Program is coming to America. The final solution is to exterminate all liberals. That includes you."

    Wow, Anon/War For Blair Mountain/Anonym, your collection of sock puppets is expanding. Can't say that, however, about your vocabulary.
  51. Dahlia says:

    Posted in Ron’s forum most definitive timeline of Seth Rich’s death courtesy of Diana West:

    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3559/A-Seth-Rich-Chronology-Part-1.aspx#.WSLtFJAmt0U.twitter

    She, and Whitney, include the principals (primary sources) and their witness and actions:
    *Julian Assange -recipient of Democratic emails.
    *Gavin MacFadyen -alleged recipient of Seth Rich’s emails according to law enforcement source.
    *Craig Murray -recipient of Democratic emails in a DC park.

    Now we have another man claiming to be a principal, Kim Dotcom. Says he was a friend of Seth’s and worked on the leak. He has lived in New Zealand since 2010, I believe. The main principal, Julian Assange, just spoke out again on Seth Rich, seemingly in response to Kim, that informants may have spoken to others, but they don’t out leakers.

    Anyway, as always, keep your eye on the principals.

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    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Also, his girlfriend. He was on the phone with her when he was accosted.
    , @RobinG

    *Craig Murray -recipient of Democratic emails in a DC park.
     
    Would you knock it off. According to Murray, this is not correct.

    [Murray was]… to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person….

    …Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about…

    The material, I think, was already safely with WikiLeaks before I got there in September,” Murray said…. “I had a small role to play.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/18/a-spy-coup-in-america/
     
  52. Sowhat says:
    @Mark Caplan
    Since that Fox News blockbuster report, the Rich-family private investigator, Rod Wheeler, has disavowed and retracted the claims he had made earlier about Rich's contacts with WikiLeaks. So that's the end of that. The Rich family now has a DNC operative as their spokesperson, who is representing the family pro bono.

    I speculate that the DNC operative paid the Rich family hush money and is “watching over them.
    …just speculation. After all, they are the Party of Death.

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  53. LauraMR says:

    Julien Assange (a man of impeccable integrity)…

    Funny. Thanks.

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    The late Gavin MacFadyen is unimpeachable:

    Through his work, Mr. MacFadyen developed an intense concern for whistleblowers, the sources who may risk their jobs or safety to reveal to a reporter evidence of corporate, governmental or other wrongdoing.

    “It’s a dangerous thing being a whistleblower,” Mr. MacFadyen said last year in a speech covered by the Cape Argus of South Africa. “Many lost their wives, children and often livelihood. They needed protection.”

    In time, CIJ began offering legal and psychological support to whistleblowers.
     

    From Washington Post obituary

    As is Craig Murray:

    While Ambassador in Tashkent, he accused the Karimov administration of human rights violations, which he argued was contrary to the wishes of the British government. Murray complained to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in November 2002, January or early February 2003, and in June 2004 that intelligence linking the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan to al-Qaeda was unreliable, immoral and illegal, as it was thought to have been obtained through torture.
     

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk
    https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
  54. Dahlia says:
    @Dahlia
    Posted in Ron's forum most definitive timeline of Seth Rich's death courtesy of Diana West:
    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3559/A-Seth-Rich-Chronology-Part-1.aspx#.WSLtFJAmt0U.twitter

    She, and Whitney, include the principals (primary sources) and their witness and actions:
    *Julian Assange -recipient of Democratic emails.
    *Gavin MacFadyen -alleged recipient of Seth Rich's emails according to law enforcement source.
    *Craig Murray -recipient of Democratic emails in a DC park.

    Now we have another man claiming to be a principal, Kim Dotcom. Says he was a friend of Seth's and worked on the leak. He has lived in New Zealand since 2010, I believe. The main principal, Julian Assange, just spoke out again on Seth Rich, seemingly in response to Kim, that informants may have spoken to others, but they don't out leakers.

    Anyway, as always, keep your eye on the principals.

    Also, his girlfriend. He was on the phone with her when he was accosted.

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  55. res says:
    @utu
    It is not the electoral college but the electoral college plus the rule "the winner takes all" in most of the states. W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.

    W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.

    No. Voting power has a 3x range over the states: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/11/presidential_election_a_map_showing_the_vote_power_of_all_50_states.html

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    Interesting. I did not know it. I thought that each elector represents pretty much the same number of eligible voters. Anyway it should.
  56. ….Director of National Intelligence James Clapper explained in his testimony that two dozen or so “seasoned experts” were “handpicked” from the contributing agencies” and drafted the ICA “under the aegis of his former office” … While Clapper claimed these analysts were given “complete independence” to reach their findings, he added that their conclusions “were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.”

    Sounds a bit like the Warren Commission and 9/11 Commission, with both being presented with the results of what their investigation would uncover prior to any investigation taking place.

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  57. @Biff
    Many believe, as do I(and the Kennedy family) that the intelligence community assassinated JFK, so this will be the second overthrow of the U.S. Government.

    Wrong Biff. The real coup on which all others hinge occurred in 1861. Several other comparatively minor ones have taken place over the years, with the assassination of JFK and the 9/11 false-flag attack being only two of the more obvious.

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  58. epnngg says:
    @anonymous
    Though never a Trump fan, I am becoming increasingly sympathetic to his plight. More and more, this is taking on the trappings of a coup d'etat.

    Why should anyone have sympathy for the plight of the bumbling moron? The Donald is an inconsistent; incoherent mess and has always been part of the establishment. Yes, the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle and in the MSM is astounding but let’s not feel sorry for President Trump, he’s only another miserable cog in the Big Wheel.

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  59. Dahlia says:
    @LauraMR

    Julien Assange (a man of impeccable integrity)...
     
    Funny. Thanks.

    The late Gavin MacFadyen is unimpeachable:

    Through his work, Mr. MacFadyen developed an intense concern for whistleblowers, the sources who may risk their jobs or safety to reveal to a reporter evidence of corporate, governmental or other wrongdoing.

    “It’s a dangerous thing being a whistleblower,” Mr. MacFadyen said last year in a speech covered by the Cape Argus of South Africa. “Many lost their wives, children and often livelihood. They needed protection.”

    In time, CIJ began offering legal and psychological support to whistleblowers.

    From Washington Post obituary

    As is Craig Murray:

    While Ambassador in Tashkent, he accused the Karimov administration of human rights violations, which he argued was contrary to the wishes of the British government. Murray complained to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in November 2002, January or early February 2003, and in June 2004 that intelligence linking the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan to al-Qaeda was unreliable, immoral and illegal, as it was thought to have been obtained through torture.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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  60. annamaria says:

    A well-documented paper showing how Huffington Post has been used by “sexual minority” to spread malicious disinformation. What a stinky lot: http://thesaker.is/riding-the-chechen-gays-scandal-on-a-unicorn/
    “Nina Golgowski started her career in 2009 as a logging media/press intern for Sen. John McCain and congressional GOP members. She claims some experience in handling Russia related stories. In 2008 she worked as an intern for Anderson Cooper 360 CNN, and interviewed Dr. David Gergen, CNN’s Senior Political Analyst, on the Georgia-Russia conflict. She also worked for Daily News America, a British content farm of click-baits.”

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  61. utu says:
    @res

    W/o that rule the electoral college would be equivalent to direct majority voting.
     
    No. Voting power has a 3x range over the states: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/11/presidential_election_a_map_showing_the_vote_power_of_all_50_states.html

    Interesting. I did not know it. I thought that each elector represents pretty much the same number of eligible voters. Anyway it should.

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  62. RobinG says:
    @Dahlia
    Posted in Ron's forum most definitive timeline of Seth Rich's death courtesy of Diana West:
    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3559/A-Seth-Rich-Chronology-Part-1.aspx#.WSLtFJAmt0U.twitter

    She, and Whitney, include the principals (primary sources) and their witness and actions:
    *Julian Assange -recipient of Democratic emails.
    *Gavin MacFadyen -alleged recipient of Seth Rich's emails according to law enforcement source.
    *Craig Murray -recipient of Democratic emails in a DC park.

    Now we have another man claiming to be a principal, Kim Dotcom. Says he was a friend of Seth's and worked on the leak. He has lived in New Zealand since 2010, I believe. The main principal, Julian Assange, just spoke out again on Seth Rich, seemingly in response to Kim, that informants may have spoken to others, but they don't out leakers.

    Anyway, as always, keep your eye on the principals.

    *Craig Murray -recipient of Democratic emails in a DC park.

    Would you knock it off. According to Murray, this is not correct.

    [Murray was]… to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person….

    …Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about…

    The material, I think, was already safely with WikiLeaks before I got there in September,” Murray said…. “I had a small role to play.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/18/a-spy-coup-in-america/

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  63. L.K says:

    Tulsi Gabbard‏ on twitter, May 19:

    Citizens United worsened the crisis of dark money influencing our country. We need to get corporate money and lobbyists out of politics.

    I’ve decided to stop accepting PAC/lobbyist $$. Bottom line: we can’t allow our future to be driven and shaped by special interests.

    It always amazes me so few zamericans seem to even discuss these basic themes; with such a completely corrupt political system, there is little chance even a solid, well meaning president could accomplish much.

    In fact , such corrupt system hardly produces any good statesmen to begin with…

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    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "In fact , such corrupt system hardly produces any good statesmen to begin with…"

    Except, of course, yourself. So why aren't you running if you have grown tired of corruption eating away of your nation? You have the IQ and the ideas--people need you to become a political figure. So, why aren't you heeding their call? Are you too selfish?
  64. Erebus says:
    @Clark Westwood
    Thanks for that info!

    WND has a good update on developments, even though it is “according to a WND source close to the situation.”…

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

    The frustration in trying to figure out what is going on is that the world is now full of “sound and fury” signifying, not nothing but the frantic efforts by competing factions to control narratives. The noise is everywhere, all the time, and reading 30k words of crap to glean 1k words of plausibility requires an ongoing investment that’s difficult to maintain. So, I’ve taken a different tack…
    Take the Manchester bomb last night. Too early, and too little info for me to come to any sort of conclusion, but nowadays my default position is to assume it’s a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. Right or wrong, they provide an invaluable yeoman’s service in ferreting out what really happened.
    I’ve also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. It’s the “Why?” behind the “How?”. So, I’ll wait to see whether the West should “Bomb Iran/Syria/Yemen!”, or if “The Russians did it!” after all. Maybe it was the “Brexit” supporters, or the “Bremains”. I don’t know at this point, but it will clear up soon. 19-20 dead, so this is big enough to set the stage for somebody’s meme.

    Apropos the Seth Rich/email saga…
    I was excitedly directed to a poster who appeared on 4Chan recently, claiming to be the ER surgeon on duty when Rich was brought in. The poster says the wounds were not life threatening, gives some details of his/her treatment of Rich’s routine abdominal gunshot wounds, and weaves a coherent, professional sounding narrative about hospital routines and their disruption by Law Enforcement. All quite plausible, except for the fact that his/her timeline makes no sense, and contradicts what is officially known. Also, (s)he’d be trivial to identify, so why bother with anonymity? IOW, probably a provocation, so I wasted half an hour finding and reading it.

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    I’ve also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event.
     
    That's an interesting point, that the speed of explanation (exploitation) is a False Flag indicator.

    For a False Flag to work, it can't have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The "story" has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts, with the best example being 9/11. The whole point of a False Flag is to trigger instant thoughtless action against the target.

    The 9/11 media knew immediately and exactly that it was Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Arabs flying aircraft and even who they were - no research necessary.

    And, interestingly, the Bush administration blocked any questioning of the "instant story" with the research falling to independent investigators who finally (and painstakingly) showed the whole story to be the fake that it was. Apart from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Building 7 there was Bollyn's "9-11: The Deception that Changed the World " https://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495517397&sr=8-1&keywords=911+bollyn and Hopsicker's "Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida" https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title.

    That brings things back to the US public who are unable to read at any length, use TV as an information source and have an impressive "whatever" morality (for example, where's the concern for the 100.000's of Iraqi civilians killed by mistake - no WMD). There's a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible (spend an hour in Breitbart comments for proof).

    This may be an elitist attitude, but there are different elites, and the current US Zio/Glob one knows perfectly how to exploit these dopes until they have no more beer, TV, money or freedom.
  65. The great lefty Jimmy Dore explains the Rich murder, since our corporate media has ignored it:

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  66. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus
    WND has a good update on developments, even though it is "according to a WND source close to the situation."...
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

    The frustration in trying to figure out what is going on is that the world is now full of "sound and fury" signifying, not nothing but the frantic efforts by competing factions to control narratives. The noise is everywhere, all the time, and reading 30k words of crap to glean 1k words of plausibility requires an ongoing investment that's difficult to maintain. So, I've taken a different tack...
    Take the Manchester bomb last night. Too early, and too little info for me to come to any sort of conclusion, but nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. Right or wrong, they provide an invaluable yeoman's service in ferreting out what really happened.
    I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. It's the "Why?" behind the "How?". So, I'll wait to see whether the West should "Bomb Iran/Syria/Yemen!", or if "The Russians did it!" after all. Maybe it was the "Brexit" supporters, or the "Bremains". I don't know at this point, but it will clear up soon. 19-20 dead, so this is big enough to set the stage for somebody's meme.

    Apropos the Seth Rich/email saga...
    I was excitedly directed to a poster who appeared on 4Chan recently, claiming to be the ER surgeon on duty when Rich was brought in. The poster says the wounds were not life threatening, gives some details of his/her treatment of Rich's routine abdominal gunshot wounds, and weaves a coherent, professional sounding narrative about hospital routines and their disruption by Law Enforcement. All quite plausible, except for the fact that his/her timeline makes no sense, and contradicts what is officially known. Also, (s)he'd be trivial to identify, so why bother with anonymity? IOW, probably a provocation, so I wasted half an hour finding and reading it.

    I’ve also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event.

    That’s an interesting point, that the speed of explanation (exploitation) is a False Flag indicator.

    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts, with the best example being 9/11. The whole point of a False Flag is to trigger instant thoughtless action against the target.

    The 9/11 media knew immediately and exactly that it was Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Arabs flying aircraft and even who they were – no research necessary.

    And, interestingly, the Bush administration blocked any questioning of the “instant story” with the research falling to independent investigators who finally (and painstakingly) showed the whole story to be the fake that it was. Apart from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Building 7 there was Bollyn’s “9-11: The Deception that Changed the World ” https://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495517397&sr=8-1&keywords=911+bollyn and Hopsicker’s “Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida” https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title.

    That brings things back to the US public who are unable to read at any length, use TV as an information source and have an impressive “whatever” morality (for example, where’s the concern for the 100.000′s of Iraqi civilians killed by mistake – no WMD). There’s a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible (spend an hour in Breitbart comments for proof).

    This may be an elitist attitude, but there are different elites, and the current US Zio/Glob one knows perfectly how to exploit these dopes until they have no more beer, TV, money or freedom.

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    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts...
     
    Exactly. There can't be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible. The rationality of the narrative is of secondary, or even tertiary importance. Non-sequitars, inconsistencies, contradictions, physical implausibilities, fall by the wayside in the traumatised public's rush to believe something, anything. Once they've internalized the emotional message, it's almost impossible to shake it out of them. They're fully invested in the narrative, and to admit later that it's bollocks is to admit that they've been duped. Few can look in the mirror and say "I was a idiot" and move on to the truth of a matter.

    BTW, one of the earliest of the 9/11 truthers was Thierry Meyssan with his book The Big Lie.

    There’s a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible
     
    I'm not at all sure that it's limited to the American public. In fact, I'm sure it isn't.
  67. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous
    Save the smart-ass comments, bitch. The Phoenix Program is coming to America. The final solution is to exterminate all liberals. That includes you.

    “Save the smart-ass comments, bitch. The Phoenix Program is coming to America. The final solution is to exterminate all liberals. That includes you.”

    Wow, Anon/War For Blair Mountain/Anonym, your collection of sock puppets is expanding. Can’t say that, however, about your vocabulary.

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  68. WASHINGTON – Former Democratic National Committee interim chairwoman Donna Brazile is the high-ranking DNC representative who allegedly called police and the family of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and demanded to know why a private investigator was “snooping” into Rich’s death, the private eye revealed to WND Monday.

    “The high-ranking DNC official that called the police after I inquired about Rich’s case was Donna Brazile,” veteran homicide detective Rod Wheeler told WND. “Why shouldn’t I reveal who it was?”

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/

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    • Replies: @englishmike
    ...Donna Brazile is the high-ranking DNC representative who allegedly called police and the family of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and demanded to know why a private investigator was “snooping” into Rich’s death...

    Surely not? From her photo she looks such a fun, cuddly person.
  69. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Of course, since you don't believe any of this, none of what you say applies to you. As an obedient servant of the state, you have nothing at risk. You accept what the New York Times and Washington Post tell you. Like Doctor Pangloss, you live in the best of all possible worlds.

    So how can you call upon others to do, what you would never be willing to do - buck the system, in a way that might strip you of everything you have. Oh - that's right - you're a blowhard. That's how you can do that.

    “Of course, since you don’t believe any of this, none of what you say applies to you.”

    We still have a Constitution. We are not living under a dictatorship. Complete Fake News stories.

    “As an obedient servant of the state, you have nothing at risk.”

    I’m not at risk because the people here who call me a traitor or who believe I will be a target for murder are only blowing off steam. They do not have the guile nor guts to do anything about it.

    “You accept what the New York Times and Washington Post tell you. Like Doctor Pangloss, you live in the best of all possible worlds.”

    I read a host of sources from both sides of the political spectrum and make up my own mind.

    “So how can you call upon others to do, what you would never be willing to do – buck the system, in a way that might strip you of everything you have. Oh – that’s right – you’re a blowhard. That’s how you can do that.”

    Projection suits you here. Are you willing to risk everything to change the system, knowing that every day you sit on the sidelines the Jews and the banksters and the corporcrats are stealing from you and your children? Or are you just going to complain day to day on this fine blog?

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  70. Corvinus says:
    @L.K
    Tulsi Gabbard‏ on twitter, May 19:

    Citizens United worsened the crisis of dark money influencing our country. We need to get corporate money and lobbyists out of politics.

    I've decided to stop accepting PAC/lobbyist $$. Bottom line: we can't allow our future to be driven and shaped by special interests
    .

     

    It always amazes me so few zamericans seem to even discuss these basic themes; with such a completely corrupt political system, there is little chance even a solid, well meaning president could accomplish much.

    In fact , such corrupt system hardly produces any good statesmen to begin with...

    “In fact , such corrupt system hardly produces any good statesmen to begin with…”

    Except, of course, yourself. So why aren’t you running if you have grown tired of corruption eating away of your nation? You have the IQ and the ideas–people need you to become a political figure. So, why aren’t you heeding their call? Are you too selfish?

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  71. Agent76 says:

    November 27th, 2015 US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWII

    The causes of wars are complex. In some instances nations other than the U.S. may have been responsible for more deaths, but if the involvement of our nation appeared to have been a necessary cause of a war or conflict it was considered responsible for the deaths in it. In other words they probably would not have taken place if the U.S. had not used the heavy hand of its power. The military and economic power of the United States was crucial.

    https://popularresistance.org/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/

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  72. Erebus says:
    @Miro23

    I’ve also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event.
     
    That's an interesting point, that the speed of explanation (exploitation) is a False Flag indicator.

    For a False Flag to work, it can't have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The "story" has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts, with the best example being 9/11. The whole point of a False Flag is to trigger instant thoughtless action against the target.

    The 9/11 media knew immediately and exactly that it was Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Arabs flying aircraft and even who they were - no research necessary.

    And, interestingly, the Bush administration blocked any questioning of the "instant story" with the research falling to independent investigators who finally (and painstakingly) showed the whole story to be the fake that it was. Apart from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Building 7 there was Bollyn's "9-11: The Deception that Changed the World " https://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495517397&sr=8-1&keywords=911+bollyn and Hopsicker's "Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida" https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title.

    That brings things back to the US public who are unable to read at any length, use TV as an information source and have an impressive "whatever" morality (for example, where's the concern for the 100.000's of Iraqi civilians killed by mistake - no WMD). There's a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible (spend an hour in Breitbart comments for proof).

    This may be an elitist attitude, but there are different elites, and the current US Zio/Glob one knows perfectly how to exploit these dopes until they have no more beer, TV, money or freedom.

    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts…

    Exactly. There can’t be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible. The rationality of the narrative is of secondary, or even tertiary importance. Non-sequitars, inconsistencies, contradictions, physical implausibilities, fall by the wayside in the traumatised public’s rush to believe something, anything. Once they’ve internalized the emotional message, it’s almost impossible to shake it out of them. They’re fully invested in the narrative, and to admit later that it’s bollocks is to admit that they’ve been duped. Few can look in the mirror and say “I was a idiot” and move on to the truth of a matter.

    BTW, one of the earliest of the 9/11 truthers was Thierry Meyssan with his book The Big Lie.

    There’s a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible

    I’m not at all sure that it’s limited to the American public. In fact, I’m sure it isn’t.

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    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts…
     
    Exactly. There can’t be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible.
     
    And another thing here, is that an item as planned as the 9/11 is unlikely to leave the media reaction to chance, since it's integral to the success of the project. The immediate, fully formed, and standardized account is evidence of MSM involvement, or at a minimum some kind of prior knowledge and contact with the perpetrators.

    Also, they decided not to cover another very newsworthy story that happened on the morning of 9/11.

    A worthwhile and detailed investigation was done in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker, and he discovered an interesting article in a local newspaper, the Longboat Observer regarding President Bush who was staying that morning at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort:

    Sometime before 6:00 a.m. on September 11, or possibly on the evening of September 10, a van occupied by some Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort. The men claim to be reporters and say they are there for a “poolside” interview with Bush. They then ask for a particular Secret Service agent by name. Security guards phone the receptionist at the resort and relay the men’s request. The receptionist has not heard of the Secret Service agent named by the men or anything about a planned interview with Bush. She passes the phone to a Secret Service agent, who similarly tells the security guards that no one knows of the agent the men referred to or is aware of any scheduled interview with the president. The Secret Service agent says the men should contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, DC, and has them turned away from the premises. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     

    The alleged incident on Longboat Key will come to light after reporter Shay Sullivan hears local Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan describing it to a colleague during a lull in a firefighters’ union meeting and then writes an article about it for the Longboat Observer. Mooneyhan does not witness the incident firsthand, but will learn about it when he is at the front desk at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort at around 6:00 a.m. on September 11. At that time, he will overhear the receptionist and a security guard discussing what happened. It is unclear when exactly the incident they discuss is meant to have occurred. . [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     
    Hopsicker interviewed Mooneyhan who confirmed the story.

    It's newsworthy that a group of fake "Arab journalists" tried to gain access to Bush on the morning of 9/11 and Hopsicker views it as a failed assassination attempt.

    If he's right, then later in the day, that would have left Cheney with full executive power in an Emergency Regime run by Neo-Cons with the activation of the COG (Continuity Of Government) structure prepared under Reagan and enforced with the convenient new Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security under Chertoff.

    What is sure is that they didn't want Bush around (the President of the United States remember). He tried vainly for hours to make contact with Cheney and the Emergency Government, with communication blocked for "security reasons".

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we're still living in the messy aftermath.
  73. Are they indeed complex ?
    In 1870 the last French emperor was so impopular that ht thought a war with succes would restore his popularity.
    Alas he changed history, Germany was unified through his attack, this unified Germany was 1900 on top of the world.
    So Balfour in 1907 already said to the USA ambassador ‘that war might be the cheapest way to keep the British standard of living’.
    In 1913 GB made secret deals with France and the tsar to carve up three empires: Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman.
    In 1914 Germany, with no natural borders, attacked France in self defense.
    In 1917 the USA entered the war also militarily, a British defeat was inadmissible, thanks to anti German propaganda, and USA citizens with war loans to GB and France.
    Korea, USA stupidity, domino nonsense, Vietnam, same nonsense.
    Iraq, neutralizing the USA’s sorcerer’s apprentice.
    And so on, and so forth.

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  74. I’m not at all sure that it’s limited to the American public. In fact, I’m sure it isn’t.

    Ditto. I’ve lived in Euro-stan for 10 years now, and let me assure that most of the people are fundamentally no different than the people back in the US. Despite the fact that they’re closer to the action (Russia, the ME, etc.) than we are, the propaganda works just as well with them as it does with us.

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  75. @JamesinNM
    Identify suspects in Seth killing, prosecute, convict, and execute the guilty.

    Identify suspects in Seth killing, prosecute, convict, and execute the guilty.

    Then appoint a special prosecutor to investigate those involved in fabricating a fake “Russian hacking” conspiracy for the purposes of
    1. covering up the murder and
    2. instigating a coup against the legitimately elected President of the USA.

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  76. @Seamus Padraig

    WASHINGTON – Former Democratic National Committee interim chairwoman Donna Brazile is the high-ranking DNC representative who allegedly called police and the family of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and demanded to know why a private investigator was “snooping” into Rich’s death, the private eye revealed to WND Monday.

    “The high-ranking DNC official that called the police after I inquired about Rich’s case was Donna Brazile,” veteran homicide detective Rod Wheeler told WND. “Why shouldn’t I reveal who it was?”
     
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/

    …Donna Brazile is the high-ranking DNC representative who allegedly called police and the family of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and demanded to know why a private investigator was “snooping” into Rich’s death…

    Surely not? From her photo she looks such a fun, cuddly person.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "DNC, Media and John Podesta Block Discussion of Seth Rich’s Murder… Even Using ‘Bots’ to Trash Hannity on Rich Coverage" http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/why-are-the-dnc-and-john-podesta-doing-all-they-can-to-silence-the-seth-rich-story-and-probable-unsolved-murder/
    "We need to ask and find out where was John Podesta last year when Seth Rich was murdered? Where was Podesta’s brother? ... We know two men murdered Seth Rich and were caught on camera doing it. Where is this video? Why is John Podesta so interested in getting this story out of the hands of the Democrat MSM complex? Is this one of the reasons why the fake Trump – Russia story was created in the first place...?"
    Comments section:
    (i) "John Podesta failed to reveal, as required by law on his federal financial disclosures, his membership on the board of this offshore company. 
Podesta also headed up a think tank which wrote favorably about the Russian reset while apparently receiving millions from Kremlin linked Russian oligarchs via an offshore LLC." --Government Accountability Institute 'From Russia With Money'
    (ii) "Did Comey know about Seth Rich, being the leaker? Did he know about him before or after he was murdered? If before, who did he tell? Was Seth Rich one of the US Citizens unmasked by Obama? Was that why Nunes ran to the WH after viewing the documents?"
    (iii) "If the DNC and Podesta had nothing to do with Seth Rich's murder, why are they involved in the investigation and trying to stop conversation about it? Why try to silence the family and stop them from investigating. Don't his parents have a right to know how and why their son died?"
  77. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus

    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts...
     
    Exactly. There can't be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible. The rationality of the narrative is of secondary, or even tertiary importance. Non-sequitars, inconsistencies, contradictions, physical implausibilities, fall by the wayside in the traumatised public's rush to believe something, anything. Once they've internalized the emotional message, it's almost impossible to shake it out of them. They're fully invested in the narrative, and to admit later that it's bollocks is to admit that they've been duped. Few can look in the mirror and say "I was a idiot" and move on to the truth of a matter.

    BTW, one of the earliest of the 9/11 truthers was Thierry Meyssan with his book The Big Lie.

    There’s a basic primitiveness about the US public that makes all this possible
     
    I'm not at all sure that it's limited to the American public. In fact, I'm sure it isn't.

    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts…

    Exactly. There can’t be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible.

    And another thing here, is that an item as planned as the 9/11 is unlikely to leave the media reaction to chance, since it’s integral to the success of the project. The immediate, fully formed, and standardized account is evidence of MSM involvement, or at a minimum some kind of prior knowledge and contact with the perpetrators.

    Also, they decided not to cover another very newsworthy story that happened on the morning of 9/11.

    A worthwhile and detailed investigation was done in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker, and he discovered an interesting article in a local newspaper, the Longboat Observer regarding President Bush who was staying that morning at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort:

    Sometime before 6:00 a.m. on September 11, or possibly on the evening of September 10, a van occupied by some Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort. The men claim to be reporters and say they are there for a “poolside” interview with Bush. They then ask for a particular Secret Service agent by name. Security guards phone the receptionist at the resort and relay the men’s request. The receptionist has not heard of the Secret Service agent named by the men or anything about a planned interview with Bush. She passes the phone to a Secret Service agent, who similarly tells the security guards that no one knows of the agent the men referred to or is aware of any scheduled interview with the president. The Secret Service agent says the men should contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, DC, and has them turned away from the premises. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]

    The alleged incident on Longboat Key will come to light after reporter Shay Sullivan hears local Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan describing it to a colleague during a lull in a firefighters’ union meeting and then writes an article about it for the Longboat Observer. Mooneyhan does not witness the incident firsthand, but will learn about it when he is at the front desk at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort at around 6:00 a.m. on September 11. At that time, he will overhear the receptionist and a security guard discussing what happened. It is unclear when exactly the incident they discuss is meant to have occurred. . [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]

    Hopsicker interviewed Mooneyhan who confirmed the story.

    It’s newsworthy that a group of fake “Arab journalists” tried to gain access to Bush on the morning of 9/11 and Hopsicker views it as a failed assassination attempt.

    If he’s right, then later in the day, that would have left Cheney with full executive power in an Emergency Regime run by Neo-Cons with the activation of the COG (Continuity Of Government) structure prepared under Reagan and enforced with the convenient new Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security under Chertoff.

    What is sure is that they didn’t want Bush around (the President of the United States remember). He tried vainly for hours to make contact with Cheney and the Emergency Government, with communication blocked for “security reasons”.

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we’re still living in the messy aftermath.

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    • Replies: @Erebus

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we’re still living in the messy aftermath.
     
    I have long viewed 9/11 as a coup, but I don't think it was entirely a failure. The perpetrators got the message across to all competing powers in DC that they now held the nation's fasces in their hand.
    It was a pure power play, and it succeeded in the sense that everyone else dutifully adjusted to the new paradigm or receded into the background. "We're an Empire now" and any who objected were relegated to the sidelines, or if they got any traction were eliminated. Bush may have remained POTUS, but Cheney ran the show. They could have put Barney Rubble in Bush's place and it would have made little difference.

    9/11 cleared the field for their agenda - Full Spectrum Dominance, "take out" 7 countries in 5 years, the various Patriot Acts, creation of Homeland Security, TSA, etc, etc. The proof and sine qua non of the extent of their power was their total immunity to the legal consequences of murdering 3000 Americans in cold blood on live TV.

    Luckily for the world, they're not as brilliant as they are ruthless, and were out of their depth in the Empire business. Only 16 years later, having devastated a half dozen countries and killed a million plus, their feet still aren't near the fire, but their power structures are creaking. They didn't deliver. The Empire is already staggering. The Imperial troops flounder from one inconclusive engagement to the next, and their geo-political strategy has failed. It has also sown the seeds of its future destruction by alienating allies, and driving Russia & China into symbiosis, if not (yet) alliance. The latter is a stunning strategic blunder that will put paid to their Imperial designs, but it is the murder of Seth Rich that may serve to bring them down where 9/11's mass murder served to raise them.
    , @Sparkon
    The president is also commander in chief, remember? Bush's failure to take any action after being informed by Card that the nation was under attack is clear indication he was part of the plot, as is his twice-repeated cock-and-bull story of watching the first WTC attack on television, and no less, his attempts to squelch any investigation of the crime.

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney -- and why would the CiC need to do that? -- President George W. Bush couldn't even get his seat bottom unglued from his chair in a classroom in Florida, because, you know, the terrorists would never think of hitting him there.

    Where was the Air Force? Why couldn't the Pentagon defend its own HQ against an airborne attacker not much different than a cruise missile?

    Bush does nothing. The military sits on its hands, Cheney in his bunker making orders stand, reported by Norman Mineta to Tom Hammond, who can't manage to ask any probing follow-up questions, but claims later the commission was set up to fail. Gen. Myers shows up at his confirmation hearings just days after 9/11 entirely unprepared, or unwilling, to answer the most basic questions about USAF response--or lack thereof-- to the hijacked airliners.

    All that money for defense, and our military can't even defend its own airspace -- its own headquarters! -- against a hijacked jetliner.

    At least, that's the hack script for the televised national special effects psychodrama that aired live on Black Tuesday, September 11, 2001, but not without glitches.

    But fear not! Almost immediately CIA head George Tenet is able to finger the likely patsy, I mean guy with his fingerprints all over it: former CIA asset Osama bin Laden who was living in his multi-level bat cave deep in the mountains of Afghanistan -- according to a nifty graphic later displayed by Sec. Def. Donald Rumsfeld -- when he unleashed his suicide pilots on the expensive, but incompetent defense establishment of the United States of America, ostensibly the most powerful nation on Earth, but which can't even defend its own headquarters against a few guys with box-cutters.

    Failure? There is no failure until the media tell us it's a failure. As Tricky Dick put it:

    The American people don't believe anything until they see it on television
     
    To which I would add: Once it's on TV, it is etched in the granite of the nation's noggin.

    'Powerful thing, that boob tube.

    Just ask Bush.

    As seen on TV.

    Or not.
  78. Erebus says:
    @Miro23


    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts…
     
    Exactly. There can’t be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible.
     
    And another thing here, is that an item as planned as the 9/11 is unlikely to leave the media reaction to chance, since it's integral to the success of the project. The immediate, fully formed, and standardized account is evidence of MSM involvement, or at a minimum some kind of prior knowledge and contact with the perpetrators.

    Also, they decided not to cover another very newsworthy story that happened on the morning of 9/11.

    A worthwhile and detailed investigation was done in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker, and he discovered an interesting article in a local newspaper, the Longboat Observer regarding President Bush who was staying that morning at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort:

    Sometime before 6:00 a.m. on September 11, or possibly on the evening of September 10, a van occupied by some Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort. The men claim to be reporters and say they are there for a “poolside” interview with Bush. They then ask for a particular Secret Service agent by name. Security guards phone the receptionist at the resort and relay the men’s request. The receptionist has not heard of the Secret Service agent named by the men or anything about a planned interview with Bush. She passes the phone to a Secret Service agent, who similarly tells the security guards that no one knows of the agent the men referred to or is aware of any scheduled interview with the president. The Secret Service agent says the men should contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, DC, and has them turned away from the premises. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     

    The alleged incident on Longboat Key will come to light after reporter Shay Sullivan hears local Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan describing it to a colleague during a lull in a firefighters’ union meeting and then writes an article about it for the Longboat Observer. Mooneyhan does not witness the incident firsthand, but will learn about it when he is at the front desk at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort at around 6:00 a.m. on September 11. At that time, he will overhear the receptionist and a security guard discussing what happened. It is unclear when exactly the incident they discuss is meant to have occurred. . [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     
    Hopsicker interviewed Mooneyhan who confirmed the story.

    It's newsworthy that a group of fake "Arab journalists" tried to gain access to Bush on the morning of 9/11 and Hopsicker views it as a failed assassination attempt.

    If he's right, then later in the day, that would have left Cheney with full executive power in an Emergency Regime run by Neo-Cons with the activation of the COG (Continuity Of Government) structure prepared under Reagan and enforced with the convenient new Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security under Chertoff.

    What is sure is that they didn't want Bush around (the President of the United States remember). He tried vainly for hours to make contact with Cheney and the Emergency Government, with communication blocked for "security reasons".

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we're still living in the messy aftermath.

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we’re still living in the messy aftermath.

    I have long viewed 9/11 as a coup, but I don’t think it was entirely a failure. The perpetrators got the message across to all competing powers in DC that they now held the nation’s fasces in their hand.
    It was a pure power play, and it succeeded in the sense that everyone else dutifully adjusted to the new paradigm or receded into the background. “We’re an Empire now” and any who objected were relegated to the sidelines, or if they got any traction were eliminated. Bush may have remained POTUS, but Cheney ran the show. They could have put Barney Rubble in Bush’s place and it would have made little difference.

    9/11 cleared the field for their agenda – Full Spectrum Dominance, “take out” 7 countries in 5 years, the various Patriot Acts, creation of Homeland Security, TSA, etc, etc. The proof and sine qua non of the extent of their power was their total immunity to the legal consequences of murdering 3000 Americans in cold blood on live TV.

    Luckily for the world, they’re not as brilliant as they are ruthless, and were out of their depth in the Empire business. Only 16 years later, having devastated a half dozen countries and killed a million plus, their feet still aren’t near the fire, but their power structures are creaking. They didn’t deliver. The Empire is already staggering. The Imperial troops flounder from one inconclusive engagement to the next, and their geo-political strategy has failed. It has also sown the seeds of its future destruction by alienating allies, and driving Russia & China into symbiosis, if not (yet) alliance. The latter is a stunning strategic blunder that will put paid to their Imperial designs, but it is the murder of Seth Rich that may serve to bring them down where 9/11′s mass murder served to raise them.

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    • Replies: @Miro23

    ...but it is the murder of Seth Rich that may serve to bring them down where 9/11′s mass murder served to raise them.
     
    Maybe, but there have been al lot of Seth Rich's on their way to power.

    What is sure, is that 2017 isn't 2001, with a higher public awareness of what's going on. Trump would never have been elected even 10 years ago, and even if he didn't do what he was elected to do, the public showed that it now wanted action against the Washington "Swamp" and endless ME wars.
  79. utu says:

    July 10, 2016 – Seth Rich Killed
    July 22, 2016 – Wikileaks publishes 19,252 emails
    August 2, 2016 — Amy Dacey resigns amidst controversy

    August 4, 2016 – John Brennan calls Russia’s FSB intelligence agency

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  80. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we’re still living in the messy aftermath.
     
    I have long viewed 9/11 as a coup, but I don't think it was entirely a failure. The perpetrators got the message across to all competing powers in DC that they now held the nation's fasces in their hand.
    It was a pure power play, and it succeeded in the sense that everyone else dutifully adjusted to the new paradigm or receded into the background. "We're an Empire now" and any who objected were relegated to the sidelines, or if they got any traction were eliminated. Bush may have remained POTUS, but Cheney ran the show. They could have put Barney Rubble in Bush's place and it would have made little difference.

    9/11 cleared the field for their agenda - Full Spectrum Dominance, "take out" 7 countries in 5 years, the various Patriot Acts, creation of Homeland Security, TSA, etc, etc. The proof and sine qua non of the extent of their power was their total immunity to the legal consequences of murdering 3000 Americans in cold blood on live TV.

    Luckily for the world, they're not as brilliant as they are ruthless, and were out of their depth in the Empire business. Only 16 years later, having devastated a half dozen countries and killed a million plus, their feet still aren't near the fire, but their power structures are creaking. They didn't deliver. The Empire is already staggering. The Imperial troops flounder from one inconclusive engagement to the next, and their geo-political strategy has failed. It has also sown the seeds of its future destruction by alienating allies, and driving Russia & China into symbiosis, if not (yet) alliance. The latter is a stunning strategic blunder that will put paid to their Imperial designs, but it is the murder of Seth Rich that may serve to bring them down where 9/11's mass murder served to raise them.

    …but it is the murder of Seth Rich that may serve to bring them down where 9/11′s mass murder served to raise them.

    Maybe, but there have been al lot of Seth Rich’s on their way to power.

    What is sure, is that 2017 isn’t 2001, with a higher public awareness of what’s going on. Trump would never have been elected even 10 years ago, and even if he didn’t do what he was elected to do, the public showed that it now wanted action against the Washington “Swamp” and endless ME wars.

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  81. Sparkon says:
    @Miro23


    For a False Flag to work, it can’t have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The “story” has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start, with no doubts…
     
    Exactly. There can’t be any time allowed for any alternatives to develop. It must be immediate, comprehensive, and vaguely plausible. For the latter, it is critical that it be emotionally plausible.
     
    And another thing here, is that an item as planned as the 9/11 is unlikely to leave the media reaction to chance, since it's integral to the success of the project. The immediate, fully formed, and standardized account is evidence of MSM involvement, or at a minimum some kind of prior knowledge and contact with the perpetrators.

    Also, they decided not to cover another very newsworthy story that happened on the morning of 9/11.

    A worthwhile and detailed investigation was done in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker, and he discovered an interesting article in a local newspaper, the Longboat Observer regarding President Bush who was staying that morning at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort:

    Sometime before 6:00 a.m. on September 11, or possibly on the evening of September 10, a van occupied by some Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort. The men claim to be reporters and say they are there for a “poolside” interview with Bush. They then ask for a particular Secret Service agent by name. Security guards phone the receptionist at the resort and relay the men’s request. The receptionist has not heard of the Secret Service agent named by the men or anything about a planned interview with Bush. She passes the phone to a Secret Service agent, who similarly tells the security guards that no one knows of the agent the men referred to or is aware of any scheduled interview with the president. The Secret Service agent says the men should contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, DC, and has them turned away from the premises. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     

    The alleged incident on Longboat Key will come to light after reporter Shay Sullivan hears local Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan describing it to a colleague during a lull in a firefighters’ union meeting and then writes an article about it for the Longboat Observer. Mooneyhan does not witness the incident firsthand, but will learn about it when he is at the front desk at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort at around 6:00 a.m. on September 11. At that time, he will overhear the receptionist and a security guard discussing what happened. It is unclear when exactly the incident they discuss is meant to have occurred. . [Longboat Observer, 9/26/2001; Longboat Observer 9/7/2011]
     
    Hopsicker interviewed Mooneyhan who confirmed the story.

    It's newsworthy that a group of fake "Arab journalists" tried to gain access to Bush on the morning of 9/11 and Hopsicker views it as a failed assassination attempt.

    If he's right, then later in the day, that would have left Cheney with full executive power in an Emergency Regime run by Neo-Cons with the activation of the COG (Continuity Of Government) structure prepared under Reagan and enforced with the convenient new Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security under Chertoff.

    What is sure is that they didn't want Bush around (the President of the United States remember). He tried vainly for hours to make contact with Cheney and the Emergency Government, with communication blocked for "security reasons".

    Putting it all together, there is a good chance that 9/11 was a failed Zio-Glob coup and we're still living in the messy aftermath.

    The president is also commander in chief, remember? Bush’s failure to take any action after being informed by Card that the nation was under attack is clear indication he was part of the plot, as is his twice-repeated cock-and-bull story of watching the first WTC attack on television, and no less, his attempts to squelch any investigation of the crime.

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney — and why would the CiC need to do that? — President George W. Bush couldn’t even get his seat bottom unglued from his chair in a classroom in Florida, because, you know, the terrorists would never think of hitting him there.

    Where was the Air Force? Why couldn’t the Pentagon defend its own HQ against an airborne attacker not much different than a cruise missile?

    Bush does nothing. The military sits on its hands, Cheney in his bunker making orders stand, reported by Norman Mineta to Tom Hammond, who can’t manage to ask any probing follow-up questions, but claims later the commission was set up to fail. Gen. Myers shows up at his confirmation hearings just days after 9/11 entirely unprepared, or unwilling, to answer the most basic questions about USAF response–or lack thereof– to the hijacked airliners.

    All that money for defense, and our military can’t even defend its own airspace — its own headquarters! — against a hijacked jetliner.

    At least, that’s the hack script for the televised national special effects psychodrama that aired live on Black Tuesday, September 11, 2001, but not without glitches.

    But fear not! Almost immediately CIA head George Tenet is able to finger the likely patsy, I mean guy with his fingerprints all over it: former CIA asset Osama bin Laden who was living in his multi-level bat cave deep in the mountains of Afghanistan — according to a nifty graphic later displayed by Sec. Def. Donald Rumsfeld — when he unleashed his suicide pilots on the expensive, but incompetent defense establishment of the United States of America, ostensibly the most powerful nation on Earth, but which can’t even defend its own headquarters against a few guys with box-cutters.

    Failure? There is no failure until the media tell us it’s a failure. As Tricky Dick put it:

    The American people don’t believe anything until they see it on television

    To which I would add: Once it’s on TV, it is etched in the granite of the nation’s noggin.

    ‘Powerful thing, that boob tube.

    Just ask Bush.

    As seen on TV.

    Or not.

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    • Replies: @Miro23

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney — and why would the CiC need to do that?
     
    That's a good question, but it seems to be how it played out. He was immediately put on a plane and flown around for hours, really frustrated that he couldn't speak to Washington.

    You're right that he should have been the one giving the orders, and in no legal way could he be excluded for "security reasons". However, if Hopsicker is right, then there was a whole different explanation.

    Cheney and the Neo-cons were not expecting to have to deal with Bush and needed some thinking time.
  82. Miro23 says:
    @Sparkon
    The president is also commander in chief, remember? Bush's failure to take any action after being informed by Card that the nation was under attack is clear indication he was part of the plot, as is his twice-repeated cock-and-bull story of watching the first WTC attack on television, and no less, his attempts to squelch any investigation of the crime.

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney -- and why would the CiC need to do that? -- President George W. Bush couldn't even get his seat bottom unglued from his chair in a classroom in Florida, because, you know, the terrorists would never think of hitting him there.

    Where was the Air Force? Why couldn't the Pentagon defend its own HQ against an airborne attacker not much different than a cruise missile?

    Bush does nothing. The military sits on its hands, Cheney in his bunker making orders stand, reported by Norman Mineta to Tom Hammond, who can't manage to ask any probing follow-up questions, but claims later the commission was set up to fail. Gen. Myers shows up at his confirmation hearings just days after 9/11 entirely unprepared, or unwilling, to answer the most basic questions about USAF response--or lack thereof-- to the hijacked airliners.

    All that money for defense, and our military can't even defend its own airspace -- its own headquarters! -- against a hijacked jetliner.

    At least, that's the hack script for the televised national special effects psychodrama that aired live on Black Tuesday, September 11, 2001, but not without glitches.

    But fear not! Almost immediately CIA head George Tenet is able to finger the likely patsy, I mean guy with his fingerprints all over it: former CIA asset Osama bin Laden who was living in his multi-level bat cave deep in the mountains of Afghanistan -- according to a nifty graphic later displayed by Sec. Def. Donald Rumsfeld -- when he unleashed his suicide pilots on the expensive, but incompetent defense establishment of the United States of America, ostensibly the most powerful nation on Earth, but which can't even defend its own headquarters against a few guys with box-cutters.

    Failure? There is no failure until the media tell us it's a failure. As Tricky Dick put it:

    The American people don't believe anything until they see it on television
     
    To which I would add: Once it's on TV, it is etched in the granite of the nation's noggin.

    'Powerful thing, that boob tube.

    Just ask Bush.

    As seen on TV.

    Or not.

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney — and why would the CiC need to do that?

    That’s a good question, but it seems to be how it played out. He was immediately put on a plane and flown around for hours, really frustrated that he couldn’t speak to Washington.

    You’re right that he should have been the one giving the orders, and in no legal way could he be excluded for “security reasons”. However, if Hopsicker is right, then there was a whole different explanation.

    Cheney and the Neo-cons were not expecting to have to deal with Bush and needed some thinking time.

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    • Replies: @Sparkon
    I don't know why you're clinging to this flimsy argument. Please provide a concrete example or two of anything in the public record that Bush did on 9/11 to rally the nation's defense, thwart the alleged hijackers, or exercise his responsibilities as Commander in Chief, in any way, that would comport with your scenario of the way things played out.

    The only problem in dealing with Bush was flushing his inconvenient comments down the memory hole. Like his poppy, shrub was "...born with a silver foot in his mouth."

    In any non-scripted real-life scenario, I suggest, when informed that his nation is under attack, the commander in chief is going to jump up, ask questions, issue orders, vacate the premises, and haul ass to defend the nation.

    President Bush did none of that. Instead of defending the nation, he just sat there warming his seat, as if he had not a care in the world, seemingly transfixed by a reading program that works, while the children chanted read to their teacher's beat:


    Kite Hit Steel, Plane Must.
     
    You can't make up this stuff, but there's more. During the time Bush was sitting there, press secretary Ari Fleischer maneuvered around, and held up a message for Bush:

    "Don't say anything yet."
     
    So if you mean Bush was being held incommunicado, I would have to concede the overwhelming power of a hand-scrawled sign from his press secretary to rule over the President of the United States. Paper covers rock, is it?

    'Not to suggest, of course, that any of this has anything to do with "...the Sinister Stewards of the National Security State."
    , @utu
    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story. He was kept away form Washington almost incommunicado and people with him were made to believe that Air Force One codes were broken and thought they would be a target. They flew to Louisiana and then with an escort to Omaha. Then they left Omaha w/o telling the escort that had to take off later and catch up with them on the way to DC. On the same AF base near Omaha Warren Buffet was holding some charity event for VIP's. Who was there we do not know but one woman VIP claimed that this meeting saved her life because her office was in WTC.
  83. Sparkon says:
    @Miro23

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney — and why would the CiC need to do that?
     
    That's a good question, but it seems to be how it played out. He was immediately put on a plane and flown around for hours, really frustrated that he couldn't speak to Washington.

    You're right that he should have been the one giving the orders, and in no legal way could he be excluded for "security reasons". However, if Hopsicker is right, then there was a whole different explanation.

    Cheney and the Neo-cons were not expecting to have to deal with Bush and needed some thinking time.

    I don’t know why you’re clinging to this flimsy argument. Please provide a concrete example or two of anything in the public record that Bush did on 9/11 to rally the nation’s defense, thwart the alleged hijackers, or exercise his responsibilities as Commander in Chief, in any way, that would comport with your scenario of the way things played out.

    The only problem in dealing with Bush was flushing his inconvenient comments down the memory hole. Like his poppy, shrub was “…born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

    In any non-scripted real-life scenario, I suggest, when informed that his nation is under attack, the commander in chief is going to jump up, ask questions, issue orders, vacate the premises, and haul ass to defend the nation.

    President Bush did none of that. Instead of defending the nation, he just sat there warming his seat, as if he had not a care in the world, seemingly transfixed by a reading program that works, while the children chanted read to their teacher’s beat:

    Kite Hit Steel, Plane Must.

    You can’t make up this stuff, but there’s more. During the time Bush was sitting there, press secretary Ari Fleischer maneuvered around, and held up a message for Bush:

    “Don’t say anything yet.”

    So if you mean Bush was being held incommunicado, I would have to concede the overwhelming power of a hand-scrawled sign from his press secretary to rule over the President of the United States. Paper covers rock, is it?

    ‘Not to suggest, of course, that any of this has anything to do with “…the Sinister Stewards of the National Security State.”

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  84. utu says:
    @Miro23

    Rather than vainly trying to contact VP Cheney — and why would the CiC need to do that?
     
    That's a good question, but it seems to be how it played out. He was immediately put on a plane and flown around for hours, really frustrated that he couldn't speak to Washington.

    You're right that he should have been the one giving the orders, and in no legal way could he be excluded for "security reasons". However, if Hopsicker is right, then there was a whole different explanation.

    Cheney and the Neo-cons were not expecting to have to deal with Bush and needed some thinking time.

    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story. He was kept away form Washington almost incommunicado and people with him were made to believe that Air Force One codes were broken and thought they would be a target. They flew to Louisiana and then with an escort to Omaha. Then they left Omaha w/o telling the escort that had to take off later and catch up with them on the way to DC. On the same AF base near Omaha Warren Buffet was holding some charity event for VIP’s. Who was there we do not know but one woman VIP claimed that this meeting saved her life because her office was in WTC.

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    and @Miro23 & Sparkon

    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story.
     
    I'm very much of the belief that 9/11 was a coup d' etat, but it wasn't your usual sort of coup. The coupsters didn't need to replace the head of state. They replaced the National Narrative with theirs. For that, GW Bush was the ideal POTUS.
    As for the "middle eastern reporters", the most curious thing about them showing up unannounced, for an unscheduled interview with the POTUS, and referencing an unknown SS agent, is that they weren't even questioned, never mind detained. Just sending them on their way seems like very sloppy work on behalf of the SS agent.

    What plan got aborted/botched there is a mystery to me. Perhaps they were to kidnap Bush and keep him out of the way while the dust settled and the narratives were tuned to match actual events? Was he to be heroically rescued later, after the dust had settled and the memes planted? Who knows. Idle speculations...

    I think he acted the way he did at the school simply because he actually had no idea what was going on, and Fleischer (who did) told him to stay put. Being an incurious, malleable fellow, he did as he was told. Being an incurious, malleable fellow is why he was more useful alive and POTUS than dead.

    ... the commander in chief is going to jump up, ask questions, issue orders, vacate the premises, and haul ass to defend the nation
     
    What the coupsters couldn't have was an unscripted George Bush asking questions, giving orders (God forbid!), making awkward remarks to the Press, etc or getting in their way while they attacked the nation. They had their hands full, what with buildings not collapsing on schedule, missiles going astray, TV reporters talking about demolitions, and who knows what else that misfired that day.
    Sending him on a wild goose chase around the country was the way they kept him on ice until the way forward was clear and he could be coached to respond according to the scripts they'd adjusted to fit actual events. That he still managed to make awkward remarks later (EG: talking about watching the 1st plane on TV) speaks to their concerns.

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.
  85. annamaria says:
    @englishmike
    ...Donna Brazile is the high-ranking DNC representative who allegedly called police and the family of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and demanded to know why a private investigator was “snooping” into Rich’s death...

    Surely not? From her photo she looks such a fun, cuddly person.

    “DNC, Media and John Podesta Block Discussion of Seth Rich’s Murder… Even Using ‘Bots’ to Trash Hannity on Rich Coverage” http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/why-are-the-dnc-and-john-podesta-doing-all-they-can-to-silence-the-seth-rich-story-and-probable-unsolved-murder/
    “We need to ask and find out where was John Podesta last year when Seth Rich was murdered? Where was Podesta’s brother? … We know two men murdered Seth Rich and were caught on camera doing it. Where is this video? Why is John Podesta so interested in getting this story out of the hands of the Democrat MSM complex? Is this one of the reasons why the fake Trump – Russia story was created in the first place…?”
    Comments section:
    (i) “John Podesta failed to reveal, as required by law on his federal financial disclosures, his membership on the board of this offshore company. 
Podesta also headed up a think tank which wrote favorably about the Russian reset while apparently receiving millions from Kremlin linked Russian oligarchs via an offshore LLC.” –Government Accountability Institute ‘From Russia With Money’
    (ii) “Did Comey know about Seth Rich, being the leaker? Did he know about him before or after he was murdered? If before, who did he tell? Was Seth Rich one of the US Citizens unmasked by Obama? Was that why Nunes ran to the WH after viewing the documents?”
    (iii) “If the DNC and Podesta had nothing to do with Seth Rich’s murder, why are they involved in the investigation and trying to stop conversation about it? Why try to silence the family and stop them from investigating. Don’t his parents have a right to know how and why their son died?”

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  86. Erebus says:
    @utu
    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story. He was kept away form Washington almost incommunicado and people with him were made to believe that Air Force One codes were broken and thought they would be a target. They flew to Louisiana and then with an escort to Omaha. Then they left Omaha w/o telling the escort that had to take off later and catch up with them on the way to DC. On the same AF base near Omaha Warren Buffet was holding some charity event for VIP's. Who was there we do not know but one woman VIP claimed that this meeting saved her life because her office was in WTC.

    and & Sparkon

    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story.

    I’m very much of the belief that 9/11 was a coup d’ etat, but it wasn’t your usual sort of coup. The coupsters didn’t need to replace the head of state. They replaced the National Narrative with theirs. For that, GW Bush was the ideal POTUS.
    As for the “middle eastern reporters”, the most curious thing about them showing up unannounced, for an unscheduled interview with the POTUS, and referencing an unknown SS agent, is that they weren’t even questioned, never mind detained. Just sending them on their way seems like very sloppy work on behalf of the SS agent.

    What plan got aborted/botched there is a mystery to me. Perhaps they were to kidnap Bush and keep him out of the way while the dust settled and the narratives were tuned to match actual events? Was he to be heroically rescued later, after the dust had settled and the memes planted? Who knows. Idle speculations…

    I think he acted the way he did at the school simply because he actually had no idea what was going on, and Fleischer (who did) told him to stay put. Being an incurious, malleable fellow, he did as he was told. Being an incurious, malleable fellow is why he was more useful alive and POTUS than dead.

    … the commander in chief is going to jump up, ask questions, issue orders, vacate the premises, and haul ass to defend the nation

    What the coupsters couldn’t have was an unscripted George Bush asking questions, giving orders (God forbid!), making awkward remarks to the Press, etc or getting in their way while they attacked the nation. They had their hands full, what with buildings not collapsing on schedule, missiles going astray, TV reporters talking about demolitions, and who knows what else that misfired that day.
    Sending him on a wild goose chase around the country was the way they kept him on ice until the way forward was clear and he could be coached to respond according to the scripts they’d adjusted to fit actual events. That he still managed to make awkward remarks later (EG: talking about watching the 1st plane on TV) speaks to their concerns.

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.

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    • Replies: @Miro23

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.
     
    Hopsickers' view (that I agree with) is that a Bush assassination was an integral part of the 9/11 project.

    The idea seemed to be a maximum impact National Emergency, legally giving absolute power to VP Cheney under COG (Continuity Of Government) legislation - in fact making the US a Neo-Con dictatorship enforced through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

    Probably the whole point of 9/11 was that the Zio-Globs wanted to get rid of their "eminence grise" status that they could see was fast becoming less "grise" in the 21st century.
  87. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus
    and @Miro23 & Sparkon

    What was happening to GW Bush on 9/11 is a fascinating story.
     
    I'm very much of the belief that 9/11 was a coup d' etat, but it wasn't your usual sort of coup. The coupsters didn't need to replace the head of state. They replaced the National Narrative with theirs. For that, GW Bush was the ideal POTUS.
    As for the "middle eastern reporters", the most curious thing about them showing up unannounced, for an unscheduled interview with the POTUS, and referencing an unknown SS agent, is that they weren't even questioned, never mind detained. Just sending them on their way seems like very sloppy work on behalf of the SS agent.

    What plan got aborted/botched there is a mystery to me. Perhaps they were to kidnap Bush and keep him out of the way while the dust settled and the narratives were tuned to match actual events? Was he to be heroically rescued later, after the dust had settled and the memes planted? Who knows. Idle speculations...

    I think he acted the way he did at the school simply because he actually had no idea what was going on, and Fleischer (who did) told him to stay put. Being an incurious, malleable fellow, he did as he was told. Being an incurious, malleable fellow is why he was more useful alive and POTUS than dead.

    ... the commander in chief is going to jump up, ask questions, issue orders, vacate the premises, and haul ass to defend the nation
     
    What the coupsters couldn't have was an unscripted George Bush asking questions, giving orders (God forbid!), making awkward remarks to the Press, etc or getting in their way while they attacked the nation. They had their hands full, what with buildings not collapsing on schedule, missiles going astray, TV reporters talking about demolitions, and who knows what else that misfired that day.
    Sending him on a wild goose chase around the country was the way they kept him on ice until the way forward was clear and he could be coached to respond according to the scripts they'd adjusted to fit actual events. That he still managed to make awkward remarks later (EG: talking about watching the 1st plane on TV) speaks to their concerns.

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.

    Hopsickers’ view (that I agree with) is that a Bush assassination was an integral part of the 9/11 project.

    The idea seemed to be a maximum impact National Emergency, legally giving absolute power to VP Cheney under COG (Continuity Of Government) legislation – in fact making the US a Neo-Con dictatorship enforced through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

    Probably the whole point of 9/11 was that the Zio-Globs wanted to get rid of their “eminence grise” status that they could see was fast becoming less “grise” in the 21st century.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "The idea seemed to be a maximum impact National Emergency, legally giving absolute power to VP Cheney..." Agree.
    On the same topic: "That extremists thrive within British communities without government intervention indicates complicity, not incompetence."
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/manchester-alleged-suicide-bomber-linked-to-libya-islamic-fighting-group-lifg-known-to-british-security-intelligence-lifg-was-supported-by-nato-against-gadaffi/5591732
  88. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    GW Bush presented no obstacle to their plans. He proved that over the next 8 years, and Cheney could be far more effective as the eminence grise operating in the shadows behind the throne.
     
    Hopsickers' view (that I agree with) is that a Bush assassination was an integral part of the 9/11 project.

    The idea seemed to be a maximum impact National Emergency, legally giving absolute power to VP Cheney under COG (Continuity Of Government) legislation - in fact making the US a Neo-Con dictatorship enforced through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

    Probably the whole point of 9/11 was that the Zio-Globs wanted to get rid of their "eminence grise" status that they could see was fast becoming less "grise" in the 21st century.

    “The idea seemed to be a maximum impact National Emergency, legally giving absolute power to VP Cheney…” Agree.
    On the same topic: “That extremists thrive within British communities without government intervention indicates complicity, not incompetence.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/manchester-alleged-suicide-bomber-linked-to-libya-islamic-fighting-group-lifg-known-to-british-security-intelligence-lifg-was-supported-by-nato-against-gadaffi/5591732

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