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“Syria is the summation of all the errors of a dysfunctional empire collapsing upon itself. History forgotten. Science ignored. Facts denied. Propaganda cannot hide that West is supporting and killing Islamists at the same time in a World War that risks escalating into a nuclear holocaust.” Vietnam Vet, comments-line, Sic Semper Tyrannis

The attack on Deir Ezzor was a flagrant act of betrayal. For the first time in the five year-long war, US warplanes targeted an SAA military outpost killing 62 Syrian regulars. The surprise attacks — which lasted for the better part of an hour and were followed by a coordinated ground assault by members of ISIS– were intended to torpedo the fragile ceasefire agreement and send a message to Moscow that the US was prepared to achieve its strategic objectives in Syria whether it had to launch direct attacks on defenders of the regime or not.

The attacks–for which the Pentagon eventually accepted responsibility–were followed by a callous and thoroughly-unprofessional tirade by the administration’s chief diplomat at the United Nations, Samantha Power. Power dispelled any doubt that either she or anyone else in the Obama administration cared at all about the people who lost their lives in the bombing raid. She also made it clear that she didn’t care if the US had violated the terms of the ceasefire just two days before critical parts of the agreement were scheduled to be implemented.

Naturally, Moscow was taken aback by Washington’s reaction, it’s blatant disregard for the soldiers they killed, and its obvious determination to sabotage the ceasefire. Having reflected on Obama’s de facto rejection of the agreement, Putin pursued the only viable option left open to him; more war. As a result, he has intensified his efforts on the battlefield particularly around Aleppo where the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and crack-units from Hezbollah have launched a three-prong attack that will dispose of the US-backed jihadists that have destroyed much of Syria over the last half-decade and displaced over 7 million civilians.

Bottom line: Having foreclosed the political option for reducing the violence, the Obama administration will now face the consequences for its rejection.

Here’s an excellent summary of developments on the ground around Aleppo from decorated veteran and retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets) Colonel W. Patrick Lang. The article was posted on September 24:

“As of today, forces have been massed at Aleppo for the purpose of eliminating the East Aleppo rebel pocket. This pocket has now been without re-supply for an extended period. This is true for both the jihadi rebels and the civilian population, many of whom are rebel supporters.

IMO (In my opinion) the main effort by R+6 is taking place at the SE side of the East Aleppo pocket. That is now underway with massive CAS from Russian aerospace forces. At the same time Palestinian militia allies with CAS have attacked the fortified Handarat refugee camp at the NE corner of the pocket. IMO this is a secondary attack intended to prevent the rebels moving forces south to oppose the main R+6 effort.

This is an excellent plan.

At the same time there is an unconfirmed report from SOHR in London (pro-rebel) that a Russian force with 3,000 men has been positioned at al-Safir about 12 km. SE of the main attacks on the Aleppo pocket. If this report is correct this force is well positioned to reinforce the main attack or be used in a defensive move against a rebel effort elsewhere. It would be in the Russian operational tradition to pass a reinforcing “wave” or echelon of forces through the initial assault forces when they become exhausted by combat….

The foreign policy establishment (Borg) in the West wants to believe that war is obsolete as a factor in the story of humanity…. They believe that they have inherited the earth and that their cleverness will always prevail over mere force.

We will now have a demonstration that this is not true.” pl

(“Flash! Washpost discovers that Syria War may be “winnable.”, Sic Semper Tyrannis)

Obama’s de facto rejection of the ceasefire has created the conditions for a decisive military defeat in Aleppo. The fate of the CIA-trained “moderate” terrorists hunkered down in East Aleppo is not that different from that of General George Armstrong Custer at the Little Bighorn who was surrounded by a superior military force and summarily slaughtered to the man. This is the option Pentagon warlord, Ash Carter chose when he decided to sabotage the joint military implementation agreement and go rogue. Carter opposed the ceasefire deal and in doing so signed the death warrant for hundreds of US-backed extremists who chances for survival are growing slimmer by the day.

ORDER IT NOW

According to recent reports, pro-government forces are advancing on a number of fronts. At the same time, the Syrian and Russian air forces have intensified their bombing campaign reducing large swathes of the city to rubble and killing several hundred Sunni militants. While the jihadists have performed better than many had expected, their fate is no longer in doubt. The cauldron is encircled, their front lines are collapsing, their supply lines have been severed, and the end is in sight.

Aleppo will fall and the US-backed effort to topple the Assad government using a proxy army of Islamic extremists will fail.

A few things need to be said about the ceasefire to set the record straight.

First, there was never any chance that the US was going to abide by the terms of the agreement. The US has no way of separating the “moderates” from the extremists which was one of the main requirements of the deal. That was never going to happen. But, more importantly, the Pentagon –which opposed the agreement from the get-go –had no intention of complying with its demands.

Why?

Well, for one thing, as Syrian President Bashar al Assad said himself:

“…the United States doesn’t have the will to work against al-Nusra or ISIS, because they believe that this is a card they can use for their own agenda. If they attack al-Nusra or ISIS, they will lose a very important card regarding the situation in Syria. So, I don’t believe the United States will be ready to join Russia in fighting terrorists in Syria.”

Bingo. Assad is not suggesting that al-Nusra or ISIS are controlled by Langley. He’s merely saying that– inasmuch as the goals of these groups coincide with US strategic objectives (which they certainly do in Syria) Washington will continue to support their activities. In other words, Obama would rather see a “Salafist principality” emerge in Syria then allow an independent, secular government to remain in place. Everyone who has followed events closely in Syria for the last five years, knows this is true.

The other reason the Pentagon opposed the agreement was because they didn’t want to comply with the military-to-military coordination plan. The western media has been particularly opaque on this issue. For example, according to the New York Times deal would be “an extraordinary collaboration between the United States and Russia that calls for the American military to share information with Moscow on Islamic State targets in Syria.” (“Details of Syria Pact Widen Rift Between John Kerry and Pentagon“, New York Times)

Okay, but why is that a problem? Wouldn’t that be the most effective way to defeat ISIS and Al Qaida? Of course, it would. So, what’s the rub? Here’s more from the NYT:

“Chief among Pentagon concerns is whether sharing targeting information with Russia could reveal how the United States uses intelligence to conduct airstrikes, not just in Syria but in other places, which Moscow could then use for its own advantage in the growing confrontations undersea and in the air around the Baltics and Europe.”(NYT)

This is complete baloney. The fact is the Pentagon doesn’t want to have to get approval for its target-list (identify and verify) from the Russian military. That’s what’s really going on. And the reason for this is obvious, the strategic objectives of the US are exact opposite of Moscow’s. Washington has no interest in defeating terrorism in Syria, in fact, as we pointed out earlier, Washington is just fine with terrorism as long it helps them move the ball closer to the goalpost. What the US wants is to topple the regime, replace Assad with a US-stooge, splinter the country into multiple parts, and control vital pipeline corridors. These goals cannot be achieved if the Pentagon has to get a green-light from Moscow every time they go on a bombing raid. How are they going to assist their jihadist assets on the ground if they have to follow that rule?

They won’t be able to, which is why it’s no surprise that SECDEF Ash Carter put the kibosh on the deal by bombing the SAA positions at Deir Ezzor. The massacre effectively ended all talk about “coordination” with the Russians. Mission accomplished.

But even this does not completely explain why the Pentagon launched this unprecedented attack that killed 62 Syrian soldiers and moved the two superpowers closer to a direct confrontation. To grasp what’s really going on behind the endless recriminations, we need to understand that the Obama administration has abandoned its original plan to oust Syrian President Bashar al Assad, and moved on to Plan B; partitioning the country in a way that establishes a separate Sunni state where US troops will be based and where vital pipelines will be built to transfer natural gas from Qatar to the EU.

This ambitious plan is more than a redrawing of the Middle East and a pivot to Asia. It is a critical lifeline to a country (USA) whose economic prospects are progressively dimming, whose credit card is maxed out, and who is counting on a Hail Mary pass in Syria to save itself from cataclysmic economic collapse and ruination. Washington must succeed in Syria because, well, because it must, because the red ink has finally penetrated the pinewood hull and is fast filling the galley. A defeat in the Middle East could be the straw that broke the camel’s back, the tipping point in the agonizingly-protracted unipolar-new-world-order experiment. In other words, it’s Syria or bust. Here’s a little background that will help to clarify what’s going on:

“Washington has previously made it clear that if it cannot achieve its plan A; regime change, it will go for its plan B; to balkanize the country and help to create a Kurdish and/or Sunni state in eastern Syria…

Attacking the Syrian Army, and allowing ISIL to capture the city will make Deir Ezzor a probable target for the US-backed proxies to attack and annex.” (“The Ceasefire Failed; What happens now?“, The Vineyard of the Saker)

So, Washington wants to control Syria’s eastern quadrant (where Deir Ezzor is located) for military bases, pipeline routes, and a Sunni homeland, which is more-or-less the pretext for continued military occupation. Here’s more from an article by Christina Lin:

“Writing in Armed Forces Journal4, Major Rob Taylor joined numerous other pundits in observing that the Syrian civil war is actually a pipeline war over control of energy supply, with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey needing to remove Assad “so they can control Syria and run their own pipeline through Turkey.”….

…if the Saudi/Qatar/Turkey backed Army of Conquest can control just enough land in Syria for a salafist statelet (aka–Sunnistan) to build the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, then these sunni states can finally realize their pipeline dream. Indeed, the 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report6 corroborates their desire to carve out a salafist statelet in Syria east of Assad-controlled territory in order to put pressure on his regime.” (“Chinese stratagems and Syrian buffer zone for Turkey-Qatar pipeline“, Christina Lin, Times of Israel)

The idea of splintering Syria into numerous fragments (and controlling the eastern portion of the state) has been promoted by western elites across the board, from neocon John Bolton who said:

“Today’s reality is that Iraq and Syria as we have known them are gone…..Washington should recognize the new geopolitics. The best alternative to the Islamic State in northeastern Syria and western Iraq is a new, independent Sunni state.

This “Sunni-stan” has economic potential as an oil producer….and could be a bulwark against both Mr. Assad and Iran-allied Baghdad.” (“To Defeat ISIS, Create a Sunni State“, New York Times)

Liberal interventionists at the Brookings Institute are pushing for the same balkanization remedy. Here’s a clip from an article at Brookings titled “Deconstructing Syria: A new strategy for America’s most hopeless war” by chief military analyst, Michael O’ Hanlon:

“…the only realistic path forward may be a plan that in effect deconstructs Syria….the international community should work to create pockets with more viable security and governance within Syria over time… Creation of these sanctuaries would produce autonomous zones that would never again have to face the prospect of rule by either Assad or ISIL….”

(“Deconstructing Syria: A new strategy for America’s most hopeless war“, Michael E. O’Hanlon, Brookings Institute)

So, there you have it; divide and conquer. Split up the country, install new leaders, and let the plundering begin. Sound familiar?

But the Russians will have none of it, in fact, Putin has responded to Carter’s escalation by escalating himself. The circle around Aleppo has closed, supply lines have been cut, the airstrikes have intensified, and the three-pronged ground assault has already begun. So while Washington may have big plans for Syria, they appear to be failing where it counts most…..on the battlefield.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.

(Reprinted from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. It is essential for Israel to Balkanize/split/fracture/destroy all surrounding Islamic nations, in order to destroy any threats against Israel. If the infrastructures and societies of the hated Muslims can be pulverized to dust, the resulting starving Muslims cannot effectively fight against Israel. Even better, if Israel can instigate inter-tribal warfare among its enemies (Suni vs Shia, Kurd vs. Turk, Christian vs. Muslim, Iran vs. Saudi Arabia, etc.) then Israel’s enemies kill themselves, Ha, Ha!

    OK, maybe 1 million people dead, thousands of villages and cities destroyed, 20 million refugees, and the lives of an entire generation of Muslims turned into an endless Zionist-Hell. And don’t forget $6 Trillion of USA taxpayer’s money spent (enough to pay tuition for every USA college student for 20 years), and ~ 8,000 dead American soldiers. But this is a small price to pay to help the Jews.

    I know that here in the Mid-West USA farm country, parents consider that the greatest sacrifice their Christian sons or daughters can make is to die in the Middle East, while killing Muslims to benefit Jews.

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  2. Don’t believe that Jews control the USA?

    Who did both Clinton and Trump meet with last week? Was it the leader of England (the nation that birthed us, and gave us our language and culture)? Germany (the most powerful nation in Europe)? Canada (our close friend on our northern border)? France? Australia?

    No, both USA presidential candidates (for the most powerful nation the world has ever seen) were summoned to meet with Netanyahu to receive their instructions from the leader of a certain shitty little Nation in the Middle East.

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  3. The NATO air attack on Syrian soldiers near Deir Ezzor required a counterstroke by Syria and Russia, this may have been an unreported Russian missile strike against an anti-Syrian intelligence center-” foreign officers’ coordination operations room in Dar Ezza”.

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950631000607

    If true then the ante has been raised and the Syrian war is about to escalate further!

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  4. The cited news source claimed 30 Israeli and several US Turkish, Saudi and British officers have been killed. But a fairly diligent search of the “main steam” media has failed to uncover any reportage of this supposed incident. Awaiting further (if any) developments.

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  5. Having reflected on Obama’s de facto rejection of the agreement,

    Actually, Lavorv today was more explicit and I quote:”Possibly American military simply ignores Obama”(c) Link in Russian:

    http://vz.ru/news/2016/9/26/834644.html

    What does it tell us? Especially coming from a man who is extremely (I underscore it–extraordinary) well informed.

  6. If true then the ante has been raised

    No it is not. Anything (I underscore… damn I underscore a lot of things today), anything coming from semi-official “news” services in the region is mostly baloney and a wishful thinking. There was no launch of Kalibr cruise missiles on some mysterious “intelligence center”.

  7. Can someone explain the pipeline plan? If you look on the map, there is a perfectly viable pipeline from the Gulf through Iraq and Turkey. Why do they need to go through Syria?

    Another, slightly more challenging route would be across the Red See to Egypt and from their to Mediterranean.

    In any case, I don’s see why it would have to go through Syria.

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    Is this a serious post ?

    Satire ?

    A summary of a wet dream the author had last night ?

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  9. Alright, say that Syria/Russia routes the coalition of moderate and immoderate headchoppers in and around Aleppo. They skeedadle off to Turkey’s “Safe Zones” commandeered from the Kurds with Washington’s acquiescence where many will live to fight another day. The article said that many civilians loyal to the rebels are also holed up in Aleppo. What happens to them? Do most become an even larger wave of refugees headed into Europe? Does Assad set up detention camps, certain to be characterized as concentration camps or death camps by the West? Are they left to their own devices, which can come to no good, as the liberal interventionists are sure to demand American insertion into northwestern Syria to solve what will be characterized as one more war crime by Putin and Russia? Practically any outcome that favors Assad and the Syrian/Russian coalition can seemingly be turned to the advantage of the American-Turkish-Saudi Axis supporting ISIS and whatever other letters of the alphabet are being used as identifiers for their jihadi mercenaries. The war will go on and the country will be fragmented unless Syria can somehow create more defenders for an army that is slowly but surely being decimated after years of non-stop fighting. Russia cannot and will not occupy Syria to hold its territory for Assad. Could Assad’s forces do this alone today against the combined Sunni opposition even if America and NATO totally stood down (not gonna happen)?

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  10. Here you go again. A pipeline! Mike Whitney must have an economic motive, right? Or is it some disinfo? The reality is much worse. It is not about any pipeline. It is about destruction and creation of chaos. It is evil in the purest form.

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  11. Unfortunately Putin has no means to up the ante. He can’t shoot down coalition planes with his fabulous S-400 because he is afraid. How many planes he has in Syria? Sixty? Israel has 400 F15′s and F16 and Turkey has over 200. If Putin had means to give a protection umbrella for ground forces Iran would send more troops long time ago. But Iran is realistic and knows Putin can’t do it. Besides they do not trust him. They did not let Russia use their air base.

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  12. To my knowledge, there was a a few years back a rather large amount of natural gas found underneath the Persian/Arab gulf, split in the territorial waters of Iran and Qatar. Both countries want to get it out to European markets. Iran signed a pipeline deal with Iraq and Syria and I believe have already constructed the pipeline through most of Iraq. Qatar wants to build one through Saudi Arabia and Syria out to a Turkish port. President Assad turned down the offer as he already had an exclusive deal with Iran and Iraq. Once he did so, the proxy war began. One of the Kennedy’s wrote an article about this. I actually found that link on this site somewhere, though the information has been reported numerous times elsewhere.

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  13. In which HQ are you working?

  14. Well, surely you wouldn’t expect any acknowledgement? The governments involved didn’t announce beforehand, “We have military officers in Syria, covertly helping the terrorists”. All the less would they now wish to admit such a crushing, humiliating defeat. And, of course, if they were in Syria, they were there illegally in order to aid the terrorists – most certainly an act of war against the legitimate government.

    I suppose relatives and friends will not have been told anything about the mission. Either “I am going on a secret mission”, or (more likely), “I’m off to [some jungle-infested place with no mail and no wireless service] and I’ll be back when I’m back”.

    Then the government simply tells them, “So sorry, he was eaten by a giant frog in the Amazon jungle” or “He caught some vicious disease, so we had to incinerate his remains”.

  15. ” What happens to them?”

    Who cares? Really. Ideally, they should go to their paymasters and demand a reward. (Which probably would be a mass grave, but at least not in Syria). If they want to go to Europe, well and good. European governments have done enough, and more, to deserve another wave of terrorists. Indeed, they can go anywhere they like: Turkey, Saudi, the Gulf, Libya, or (best of all) Israel where their very best friends live. Although, as the saying goes, “Fish and visitors stink in three days”.

  16. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601

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  17. Your arguments are illogical. You say that the Russians cannot shoot down Israeli or NATO aircraft with the S-400 (or presumably S-300, or other systems) because the Russians do not have enough fighters in Syria. But that is what the SAMs are for! No matter how many fighters the Israelis and Americans are willing to sacrifice, I would bet that the Russians can provide enough SAM reloads to destroy them. In terms of cost, it’s a very unequal exchange.

    The Israelis lost at least one fighter not long ago, and I think it will make them rather more cautious in future.

    Any such kind of escalation would also run into the legal difficulty that attacks on Syria – or even intrusion into Syrian air space for as little as 30 seconds, as was established by Turkey and NATO not long ago – are strictly illegal and could be interpreted as acts of war. Now war against Syria may be brushed off as inconsequential. But the people at the Pentagon will be ready to explain to the slow-witted why any kind of escalation against Russia would be unwise.

  18. But the Russians will have none of it, in fact, Putin has responded to Carter’s escalation by escalating himself.”

    And so the US and its henchmen cry out at the UN about Russian war crimes. Pot, meet kettle … Wait, is it a war crime for an invited armed force to put down a rebel group trying to violently overthrow a sovereign government? Will this still be the case when someone finally decided to retake the no-go zones in Western Europe of the city centers of the US?

  19. I don’t quite understand how annexing eastern Syria would help with the pipeline problem. First we must assume that the pipeline cannot go through Iraq, as if it could there is already a straightforward route today. But if Iraq must be avoided, the alternative is through Jordan and more or less along the present eastern frontier of Syria. That is very long and convoluted, and it seems unwise to make such a long-term investment based on so evanescent a thing as the current ownership of eastern Syria.

  20. Poor Mike Whitney.

    There he goes again. The Missing Elephant.

    Whitney writes a nice sounding article, that fails to mention the Elephant in the room. The Zionist Land Thieving Elephant, to be more specific. Hey! don’t take my word for it. Read his damn article and see if there is even a single, minute reference to the Zionist land thieves – who control the United States, France, England, Germany, Ukraine, and most of the rest of Europe.

    Let’s number these:

    1. The key reason for the imperialist effort to destroy Syria, is that Syria is the KEY geographical territory for the continued expansion of the Zionist – Eretz Israel.

    2. The Zionists have already seized most of Syria’s Golan Heights; they are taking more of the area under their direct military control as we comment (on this forum).

    3. Yes, the imperialists could use a few more pipelines – through Syria.

    Saving the Best for last.

    4. ISIS – Al Nusra – Al Kaida, Al Jolson, et. al., are the MOSSAD directed Zionist Hagana Army, with some support from their American streetwalker whores, Obomber, the Clintons, McCain, the American Military Financial Complex, the MOSSAD junior outlet, the CIA, and the obedient slavish servants of the suborned and Unconstitutional American (AIPAC) Congress. Even Rand Paul donned a Yarmulka and prayed to (worshipped), his Zionist Rothschild Gods – at their ‘Wailing Wall.’

    5. Actually, Whitney, along with the ‘Saker,’ writes Russian Propaganda. “You destroyed the Ceasefire;” “You (Buddy Rogers), raked me across the eyes;” “You rabbit punched me when the referee (UN?), was not looking;” Boo Hoo!? “You overthrew the democratically elected government of Yanukovich (in the Ukraine);” If you don’t stop, we might call a meeting of the UN Security Council (Professional Wrestling quality referee);” I’m running out of coffee.

    If it is true that – “At the same time there is an unconfirmed report from SOHR in London (pro-rebel) that a Russian force with 3,000 men has been positioned at al-Safir about 12 km. SE of the main attacks on the Aleppo pocket. ” That the Russian (5th Column) leaders will leave the boudoir of Netenyahoo long enough to defend the interests of the Russian people, then there is hope for the devastated Syrian People.

    Whitney’s article is too happy. It is full of “unconfirmed” reports of soon to happen victories. Antonino Rocca was never allowed to -actually- defeat Buddy Rogers. The profits rolled in as we cheered in Madison Square Garden.

    I addled up to the bar and ordered.

    1. Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania, – 20,000 Russian marines each.

    2. A Russian Corps, perhaps 100,000 to Kiev, Odessa, Jarkov.

    3. Byelorussia, Kazakstan, and a few others – to rejoin the Russian Federation.

    4. American Patriots Restore the American Republic! (put on trial those responsible for, or for covering up, The Coup D’etat in Dallas, the terror of 9/11, and all the other ‘Arab Springs’).

    5. Antonino Rocca pins Buddy Rogers. (the Clintons to prison, & Trump returns to his Casinos).

    Christmas is only 90 days away.

    Durruti – for the Anarchist collective

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  21. past as prologue –

    Why thru Syria? Because Israel has been and continues to be a source of conflict and instability.

    http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/380/388/tapline/

    The company which started operations in 1950 was the largest oil pipeline of its time, transporting Saudi Arabian oil from the gulf fields to the terminal at Zahrani south of Saida, where it was shipped to the markets of Europe and the eastern United States seaboard. At the peak of its operations Tapline is said to have transported up to 30% of Aramco’s production of Saudi Arabian crude*.

    The pipeline was originally planned to run from Saudi Arabia’s Abqaiq oil fields to the port of Haifa in Palestine where there already was a modest terminal facility for a pipeline from the Kirkuk oil fields in Iraq. The conflict between the British Mandate and the Israeli independence movement had the Tapline company serveying alternate routes already in 1946. These routes were all aimed at circumventing Palestine. “Trans-Jordan” appeared also at the time to be a country to be avoided. The final route went through Jordan, over the Golan Heights in Syria – and not without some political consequences – to end at Sidon in Lebanon.

    Syrian parliamentary objections necessitated the CIA-aided 1949 coup in order to secure “right of way” over the Golan Heights.

    The end of pipeline operations were also instigated by sabotage and related problems with the portion passing over the Heights in the climate of political turmoil after the 1967 occupation by Israel. All oil transportation in the western (Syrian and Lebanese) portions of the line ceased in 1976. That portion of the line was evacuated of all crude oil and the installations in Lebanon were handed over to the Lebanese government in 1983. The Sidon terminal is now the site of a large, mordern electrical power station and a modest petroleum importing terminal.

  22. Only the western brainwashed are surprised by the sabotage of the so-called ‘ceasefire’ brokered by the two ‘godmothers’ (the US and Russia) of the Zionist entity, which conceived the further break-up its neighboring countries in 1990s.

    Dr. Denis G. Rancourt, former professor at University of Ottawa in a recent interview said that the on-going five-year-old bloodshed in Syria is an Israel’s proxy war conducted by Israel with help of the United States, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

    The war in Syria, from the start, was a US-planned and facilitated effort for “regime change” by violent means. Key US allies Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel have recruited, trained, financed, or aided mercenary foreign fighters to invade Syria. The US itself directly trained and funds so-called “moderate rebels” to violently invade the sovereign state of Syria,” Rancourt said.

    Dr. Rancourt also said that the US and Canada are not in the position to lecture the Islamic Republic of Iran over cooked-up human-rights abuses.

    “The jails in the US and Canada are over crowded with citizens. The bail system systematically denies constitutional rights. Physical isolation that amounts to torture is widely used. Jail sentences are disproportionate and there is no rehabilitation. The police summarily attack and murder Blacks, aboriginal, and economically excluded citizen on the streets and detention,” he added……

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/16/canadian-academic-us-is-behind-syrian-bloodshed/

  23. Moscow taken aback? It’s far more likely that Putin whooped in joy. The attack was worthy of the sort of stuff Putin has done in Ukraine.

  24. Thanks, but that doesn’t answer the question: why wouldn’t the pipeline go from Qatar-Saudi through Iraq to Turkey?

    I can see that there would be crossed pipelines – but that is manageable. My point is that going through Syria is simply not necessary.

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  25. We here in Ft. Meade and Langley are in no way associated with Mikie Whitney, self-appointed expert on the insoluble problems of the Levant. Picture him at work there in the Peoples Republic of Seattle, an ocean away from his area of expertise….seated in the U-districts’s Starbucks typing madly on his wi-fi connected laptop while washing down a nutmeg apple fritter with a delightful caramel frappuccino grande….with ambiance setting visible minority sounds (jazz) swirling about his unkempt tousled leftie-chic hair. Mikie is NOT one of our assets….we already have enough media embarrassments on our payroll…..

  26. You read frustrated. Things not turning out in your favor in the battlefield?

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  27. “My point is that going through Syria is simply not necessary.”

    More bang for the buck… Get a new pipeline, destabilise the last secular state in that area and keep them on the petro dollar rather than risk losing them to RUB or CNY.

  28. People in the US are afraid to speak the truth about American intervention in the Middle East. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the (((neocons))) saw an opportunity to destroy strong Arab states that were a threat to Israel.

  29. why can’t it be both??? creating destruction and chaos + the added benefit of a pipe line to europe???

    why not? why are they exclusive in your opinion?

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  30. Evidence of Jewish control of the US and many European nations is myriad. Both candidates have been lapping at the bottoms of all the powerful Jews…just like the vast majority of Christians have been!

  31. My god! How stupid can the Obama administration be! No, calling them stupid is an insult to stupid people.

    There is absolutely no reason for the U.S. to even be involved in Syria, let alone helping psychopathic organizations like ISIS. Our fracking revolution is ending our dependence on middle-eastern crude, which means we can leave the region to Chinese to deal with.

    War in Syria, not to mention war with Russia, offers no benefit whatsoever to any ordinary American. The Obama administration, and Samantha Powers in particular, have got be one of the dumbest actors in the history of the American republic.

  32. The invisible hand of the Jews was revealed the other day when Russia launched 3 cruise missiles at a target near the city of Aleppo, killing 30 Israeli officers. I quickly scanned the article and that wasn’t in it…why?

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  33. It is a critical lifeline to a country (USA) whose economic prospects are progressively dimming, whose credit card is maxed out, and who is counting on a Hail Mary pass in Syria to save itself from cataclysmic economic collapse and ruination.

    This rational is as stupid as the Obama’s administration’s actions in Syria. How does having control over Syria in any way benefit the U.S. economy? It is utter lunacy to believe that our economy requires the occupation of places like Syria. This rational cannot possibly be the reason for the Obama administration’s actions in Syria.

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  34. How does having control over Syria in any way benefit the U.S. economy? It is utter lunacy to believe that our economy requires the occupation of places like Syria. This rational cannot possibly be the reason for the Obama administration’s actions in Syria

    .

    just a guess –

    US control over Syria does not directly benefit the US economy.

    However, Qatar/Arab control over Syria benefits their respective economies ( Cockburn reports that KSA is “showing signs of financial strain”).

    Keeping Saudi Arabia happy is critical to sustain the US petrodollar.

    Destroying Syria makes KSA happy which keeps US dollar dominant which benefits the US economy.


    Besides, it’s not implausible the Saudis pay US for use of US military. Think of DoD as a five-sided slave block with the blood and futures of young Americans in a kind of bazaar, from which military careerists, weapons merchants and think tankers will prosper.

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    the author is making up fairy tales , not me.

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    Easy , it never happened. Some fairy tales are even too much for this site even.

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  37. Ok. It can be both. There are different levels of motives:

    (Motive 1) The overt motive (of 1st order) for public and all peasants in the World is to help bring democracy to Syria.

    (Motive 2) The hidden motive (of the 2nd order) but explicitly stated to some of the financiers of the operation like Qatar (which actually may believe it) is to build a pipeline because allegedly for some strange reasons Assad would not allow it. Why Assad would refuse money from oil/gas transfer through his territory? Mike Whitney stops at this level.

    (Motive 3) The hidden motive (of the 3rd order) is religious to destroy Shiite influence (for Saudi Arabia) in this part of Middle East. Nobody in the West cares about it except for Saudi Arabia and West is not motivated by it. Nobody cares about differences between Sunnis and Shiites?

    (Motive 4) The hidden motive (of the 4th order) the same as Motive 3 but political to isolate Iran (for Saudi Arabia) and for Israel to deprive Hezbollah access to Syrian and Iranian support and to cement the annexation of Golan Heights.

    (Motive 5) The hidden motive (of the 5th order) is to destroy last Arab secular state that was former client of Soviet Union (Israel and USA).

    (Motive 6) The hidden motive (of 6th order) is to destroy Syria (PERIOD!) and replace it with chaos and terrorist producing turmoil in preparation for the Greater Israel (Yinon Plan) for which the clash of civilization (Huntington) is necessary. A secular Arab state that demonstrates that Arabs can create a functioning semi western style state is the greatest obstacle for the desired clash of civilization to occur. You can’t have westernized Arabs, right? For this reason destruction of Iraq and Libya was so important. The objective is not to turn Syria to a friendly Jordan but to destroy it and replace it with chaos. BTW, Jordan will be next. It will be the resting place for Palestinians (a very old plan). King of Jordan appearance on 60 Minutes last Sunday might be his last. And he knows it.

    (Motive 7) This is speculative because it is related to the tension on the line between the Zionist Entity and the NWO of which we know very little What role the Zionist Entity wants to play in the NWO and who within the NWO opposes it? Netanyahu-Putin bromance vs. Obama (Brzezinski) cold shoulder might be a sign of this tension. Because of lack of data we must neglect this motive but it certainly has a higher rank than the Motive 6.

    The most important is (Motive 6). Everything begins from it. Once you know what is your objective you tell Saudis that you will help them to reduce Shiites influence (Motive 3) but they have to dish out some serious money and provide fighters. You tell Qatar to pay and open channels for weapons delivery if they want their pipeline (Motive 2). You tell Israeli mid rank higher officers that you have a plan how to defeat Hezbollah (Motive 4) so they get involved in training and providing support for, say, Al Nusra and Israeli public opinion will understand that this will be the final solution to Golan Height problem (Motive 4) so they will not object too much to creation of ISIS and all the horrors involved. American old and new cold warriors in Pentagon will like the idea of cutting off Russia from Middle East (Motive 5).

    Then you help to destabilize Syria, create mass protest, assure there are photogenic victims (sharpshooters from Blackwater?), start media campaign that are under your complete control. You create White Helmets and other pseudo-humanitarian organization that will feed you stories for media. (Motive 1) as well as create provocations (gas attack, etc.).

    All weapon dealer will love it regardless of the motive. And Turkey might be skeptical but its hyena nature will see in it an opportunities though not without some risks. You als take advantage of refugee surplus and orchestrate their march on Europe and Germany in particular to (1) Weaken Germany and prevent its flirt with Russia, (2) Pump up islamophobia that validates Israel anti-Arab policies and benefits right wing European parties which become more pro-Israel as we speak..

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  38. why can’t it be both??? creating destruction and chaos + the added benefit of a pipe line to europe???
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    When you have destruction and chaos you cannot have secured pipeline.

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  39. you can’t have destruction and chaos all the time. when the dust settles, that is when the pipeline happens.

    destroy assad, create chaos, once fighting is over and done with, you start negotiating for the pipeline with the various small factions that holds territory. small factions are very easy to deal with, especially if they receive help during the chaotic fighting period.

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  40. motive 6 doesn’t contradict mike’s “balkanizing” statement, you guys are talking about the same thing. the pipeline thing is just a part of his article.

    also, I see nothing wrong with his approach, follow the money right? for EU, it is about money + energy. for usa, it is about money + energy + power. for israel, it is 100% about what you typed, that also includes money.

  41. So sad. Mike can’t ever mention the “I-word” or the “J-word”.

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  42. Stop obsessing about the stupid pipeline. For the right amount of money (a fraction of 1% of last 5 years of war in Syria) they could have that pipeline 5 years ago if they paid Assad. The pipeline is the side show for the naive like you and disinformations agents (witting or unwitting) like Mike Whitney.

    The same goes for those who kept saying that 2003 Iraq war was about oil. They could have all the oil if they let Saddam Hussein sell it. But they were not letting him to sell it because they imposed the embargo on Iraq. Did Exxon-Mobil, BP and Shell moved into Iraq after the war? Do your research.

    The same goes for those who kept saying that 2001 Afghanistan was about a pipeline. Where is the pipeline? Yes, they started building it last year. But do you think that Taliban was not interested in a pipeline?

    Oil companies, EU money+energy interests, USA money interests and whatnot could be all satisfied without the wars. It all could have been accomplished w/o the wars at a fraction of cost.

    Taking about pipelines and oil is pure obfuscation.

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  43. ahh, I see what you are saying. while both are possible, and not mutually exclusive, but the sole purpose is to destroy. the pipeline is not important enough? just camouflage? like a magician’s distraction?

    even if the pipeline is true, but the reason syria must go is to destroy it?

    if true, it all points to israel?

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  44. “Easy , it never happened. Some fairy tales are even too much for this site even.” hissed the Jew.

  45. Hallelujah. I wish I could have explained it better. Anyway I am glad you got it.

  46. Nope…you don’t have your facts straight. You’re completely uninformed on this issue.

    (Motive 7) This is speculative because it is related to the tension on the line between the Zionist Entity and the NWO of which we know very little What role the Zionist Entity wants to play in the NWO and who within the NWO opposes it?

    The New World Order (One World Order) is a Jewish thing. I don’t have the time to take you by the hand, so, I’m just going to lay a couple facts out on the table then wait for your response.

    Fact 1. The MSM in the US is completely under the control of the Jews…

    Viacom: Chairman and CEO, Sumner Redstone. Sumner is Jewish.
    Comcast: Chairman and CEO, Brian L. Roberts. Brian is Jewish.
    The Walt Disney Company: Chairman and CEO, Robert A. Iger. Robert is Jewish.
    Time Warner: Chairman and CEO, Jeff Bewkes. Jeffrey is Jewish.
    News Corp: Chairman and CEO, Rupert Murdoch. Rupert is a Jew, by Jewish law.
    CBS: President and CEO, Leslie Moonves. Les is Jewish.

    These six corporations control more than 90% of the media in the US. The other 10% of the US media is also effectively controlled by the Jews through strategic infiltration into high level executive positions, and into all other levels (writers, producers, directors, editors, columnists, etc., etc.) of corporate operations.

    The Jews also control Google, YouTube, Facebook, Wikipedia, and other “alternative” media sources…the Jews have a massive influence over the minds, and the culture, of the American people, and the Europeans as well.

    How do you account for that? Do you seriously want us to believe that the all-powerful NWO would simply say “Oh, no worries, we can let the Jews have utter control over the minds of the people responsible for our massive military machine that we’ve spent decades, and Trillions of dollars, to secretly create! It’s not a big deal.”

    LMFAO!

    Fact 2. The Jews are behind mass immigration in the US, and into every European country. Take a look at this video…

    Now, let’s take a look at results of their handy-work in this video…

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

    Now, you want us to believe that the NWO is so disorganized and lackadaisical with their plans for world domination that they would say “Yeah, those Jews are a crafty bunch! Look at all those young, healthy Muslim men flowing unimpeded into Europe! It’s got nothing to do with us…but isn’t it interesting? I wonder why they’re doing it? Durp!”

    I gotta get going…I’m looking forward to your response to those two questions.

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  47. And the reason for that is another creation of the tacticians of Satan. My brother is serving in the Marines right now and it is so tragic that these kids are fooled by “patriotism” to fight alongside ISIL and for one of the most evil nations on this country. Everything going on right now only points us toward the inevitable WW3. It is not a question of if, but a question of when. I think most on this site would agree that that time is coming soon, certainly not 50 or 100 years away judging from how quickly things are “progressing”

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  48. Please, don’t bother. I know you have no time. Go jerking off and watch your Kundalini rise.

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  49. Theory Fail !

    Missing from all these, no doubt, partially true theories, is the interest of our precious little “ally,” on whose very door step this is all happening, and from whom, on this matter, hardly a peep-squeak is being heard.

    Having so assiduously been busy greasing the cogs to bring us to our cake-walk in Iraq, it would indeed be tempting to think that they are consuming their well deserved humble pie.

    But something tells me that exactly the interest of the “white elephant” in the room is what all these wonderful theories are lacking.

    Because our deep, strategic thinkers on this matter the “honorable” Senators (Corker and McCain) God bless them, don’t seem to know their “Strait of Hormuz” from their “Strait of Gibraltar.”

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  50. don’t think so -bater !

  51. #12 http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/putin-ups-the-ante/#comment-1589198

    Qatar is in competition w/ Iran for a pipeline thru Syria.
    Assad is aligned w/ Iran.

    USA must align w/ Qatar because USA needs the Arabs/Gulfies to prop up US dollar.

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  52. Israel is always an interstitial player, never the main actor. Israel will attempt to manipulate events so that all others take the major risks, make the maximum investments, but Israel gains the maximum possible benefit.

    Israel functions in this way by achieving information dominance: Israel knows what every party wants, knows every party’s weaknesses, every party’s capabilities. Israelis flatter and/or blackmail and/or threaten; Israel pits one against the other, making small plays here and there to make things happen that will enhance the probability that events will turn out in Israel’s favor.

    HRC is oh so very smart; John Kerry is, too — so their Israeli handlers tell them, stroke them; and both of them are so needy that they lap it up and perform exactly as their Israeli handlers predict they will.

    Luke 16:3 “To dig I am not able, to beg I am ashamed. I know what I will do . . . ”

    Yuri Slezkine, “The Jewish Century,” Jews are Mercurians; tricksters, brokers. Outsiders who make things happen.

    see also Jeff Gates, Guilt by Association

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  53. Doe it exclude a possibility of having two pipelines? One from Iran and one from Qatar? Syria would be paid double.

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  54. This morning I e-mailed an article to a “conservative” friend about Syria.

    I expressed my opposition to “our” (US) government’s apparent support for ISIS or for Islamist “rebels” in Syria who have declared allegiance to ISIS or to al-Qaeda.

    He said “you’ve been watching too much Russian propaganda” and asked belligerently, “So you’re saying that Iran is on the right side?”

    Not too hopeful.

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  55. Beckow raises a great question, About why the pipeline must go through Syria. It would make sense, if one simply MUST have a pipeline that goes through Israel (or Lebanon), but otherwise…

    P.S., according to my (2004) map, the gas field robot is referring to is the biggest in the region (northern Caspian to Oman, Levant to Afghanistan), and at least 80% in Qatari territory.

    I don’t quite understand how annexing eastern Syria would help with the pipeline problem.

    I dunno, but I do know that most of the oil in Syria on my map is waaaay up in the northeastern corner, in that little tip squeezed between Turkey and Iraq (something tells me the fellow who drew the map knew this).

    First we must assume that the pipeline cannot go through Iraq, as if it could there is already a straightforward route today.

    Sorry, I’m going to need something better than “assume we have a can opener.”

    Syria is the KEY geographical territory for the continued expansion of the Zionist – Eretz Israel.

    This is true.

    Yes, the imperialists could use a few more pipelines – through Syria.

    A pipeline would make a great excuse for supporting Zionist goals in the region. Sort of like how our interventionist policies in the region make a great excuse for supporting Zionist policies there.

    Well, surely you wouldn’t expect any acknowledgement? The governments involved didn’t announce beforehand, “We have military officers in Syria, covertly helping the terrorists”. All the less would they now wish to admit such a crushing, humiliating defeat. And, of course, if they were in Syria, they were there illegally in order to aid the terrorists – most certainly an act of war against the legitimate government.

    If you’re dying to believe sketchysitenooneeverheardof.com, because you get a tingle up your leg over “zionist agents blown up,” regardless of the facts, I suppose it makes sense to buy this.

    I, on the other hand, figure a more legitimate source could be found for a real event. There are plenty of gov’ts around the world that would be delighted to announce the deaths of a bunch of Brit, Turk, and Israeli spies, and provide a bit of proof. I also figure that they’d get something better than outerrimnewsservice to pass along the news.

    The invisible hand of the Jews was revealed the other day when Russia launched 3 cruise missiles at a target near the city of Aleppo, killing 30 Israeli officers. I quickly scanned the article and that wasn’t in it…why?

    Because there’s no good evidence that it happened?

    What does it tell us? Especially coming from a man who is extremely (I underscore it–extraordinary) well informed.

    That he wouldn’t mind creating the impression that the US military has gone rogue.

    This rational is as stupid as the Obama’s administration’s actions in Syria. How does having control over Syria in any way benefit the U.S. economy? It is utter lunacy to believe that our economy requires the occupation of places like Syria. This rational cannot possibly be the reason for the Obama administration’s actions in Syria.

    I tend to agree.

    Stop obsessing about the stupid pipeline. For the right amount of money (a fraction of 1% of last 5 years of war in Syria) they could have that pipeline 5 years ago if they paid Assad. The pipeline is the side show for the naive like you and disinformations agents (witting or unwitting) like Mike Whitney.

    This makes sense, but, it should be mentioned that Russia probably sees every new pipeline (not under their control) as contrary to their interests. And Russian support is crucial to Assad.

  56. Here’s the thing to remember about Israel – they’ve got Team American Jewry on side. And Team American Jewry runs the US media. And the US media determine whether US military action gets approved or not. So, US military intervention tends to spring from the unholy alliance of American Jewry, and relevant industries like armaments and oil.

  57. Syria would be paid double.

    true
    but Qatar would be paid only half.

    review Richard Black’s comments again — it’s not Syria that is fighting against itself, it’s outfits like the Qataris who want to depose Assad.

    http://www.unz.com/emargolis/us-vs-us-in-syria/#comment-1568286

    I don’t know enough about Qatar to say if Qatari government needs the money to pacify its people, to whom it denies certain rights — i.e. the people get paid off rather than have certain autonomies.

    Iranians have become accustomed to having both less in goodies from government and limited rights. Even so, Iran is much closer to constitutional republicanism than is Qatar, and that might scare the bejeezus out of Qatar’s rulers. Qatar’s rulers have more to lose than Iran.

  58. Current behavior in Syria seems more consistent with blocking pipelines through Syria, than building them. And it seems that there’s been a bunch of oil and gas discovered in Levantine waters recently, surprise surprise. Who benefits from a basketcase Syria, unable to exploit those resources?

  59. Dude! Don’t give me that crap…answer my questions!

  60. I agree with both of you that Mike mentioned neither the I-word nor the J-word, but he has information sources that I do not have and thus I find his articles and this one especially highly useful. I am sure that Mike knows that the I-word comes before the pipelines as the principal cause of this chaos. The I-word is the leader of the Coalition Of the Sponsors of Terrorism in Syria (COST), which has cost the lives of about 500,000 Syrians and foreign mercenaire jihadists and several million refugees flooding Europe.

    I guess in the US you are allowed to criticise US as much as you like, but do not you dare criticise Israel, you Anti-Semite! To avoid opening that can of worms, many authors stay away from it.

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  61. Your friend is not conservative, he/she is neo-conservative or Zio-conservative, which means not conservative at all, just Zio. Or just plain dumb, there are many dumb conservatives (e.g. Derbyshireans), or establishment conservatives (Republicans Against Trump – RATs hoping for posts in Hillary’s administration) and so on.

    All paleo-conservatives who I follow are against the US was on Syria and Russia.

  62. > The cited news source claimed 30 Israeli and several US Turkish, Saudi and British officers have been killed

    30 Israeli soldiers/Mossadnikkim killed at once?

    That cannot be concealed in Israel. Heck, when one soldier gets a minor injury in a vehicle accident, it makes the front pages.

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  63. I guess in the US you are allowed to criticise US as much as you like, but do not you dare criticise Israel, you Anti-Semite! To avoid opening that can of worms, many authors stay away from it.

    Boy, you said it. Blame YT and America = patriotic. Blame Zionists = insane, unpatriotic, un-American, etc.

    This is why some people use terms like “ZOG.”

  64. Your comment/response makes a lot of sense.

  65. Unless Russia learn to be a bully/cowboy with the faster and bigger gun, US will not respect Russia. USA needs a strong and very capable kick on its ass to come to senses that Russia and the USA combined can bring world peace and harmony that will transform the world from a pending nuclear anihilation into a world of peace. Can you imagine the growth and mutual collaboration power of these two super powers… but no…the “chosen ones” have mission from God!

  66. Heck, when one soldier gets a minor injury in a vehicle accident, it makes the front pages…in the USA! :)

  67. Because going through Iraq would mean sending it through Shia-controlled areas of Iraq. And they don’t want the Shia anywhere near their pipeline.

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  68. I am sure that Mike knows that the I-word comes before the pipelines as the principal cause of this chaos. The I-word is the leader of the Coalition Of the Sponsors of Terrorism in Syria (COST), which has cost the lives of about 500,000 Syrians and foreign mercenaire jihadists and several million refugees flooding Europe.

    I guess in the US you are allowed to criticise US as much as you like, but do not you dare criticise Israel, you Anti-Semite!

    —–( I guess as in I’m beginning to realize that the cognitive map has been changed such that—)

    Has Israel Effectively Colonized the United States?

    The media matters: establishing beliefs and narratives

    The colonizer must be a “Sacred Object” above criticism or objective review, and dangerous critics must be either destroyed or marginalized. No Englishman in India spoke of the mother country and its ways with anything other than reverence, even though during periods of the British Raj England was in turmoil. Within England there was a free press and active debate; but this was not permitted in India, about Britain. The only acceptable posture was that of reverence.

    Today Israel has a free press, and it is easy to read translations of the Hebrew language press. Israeli commentators compare Netanyahu to Hitler, Israel is called a racist apartheid state based on evidence, and the extreme violence against and ongoing abuse of Palestinians is well documented. But, these same conversations are forbidden in the US. No newspaper would report them, nor are they permitted in polite company. Transgressors are labeled anti-Semitic, whether Jewish or not.

  69. “So sad. Mike can’t ever mention the “I-word” or the “J-word”.”

    Yes, very sad. And Whitney is just one of many writers, politicians, ‘historians,’ teachers, Hollywood movie producers, who cannot/will not identify the prime predator.

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

    Voltaire ?

    Regardless of the origin of this message, it expresses “an inconvenient truth.”

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  70. “When you have destruction and chaos you cannot have secured pipeline.”

    I beg to differ. I have friends who live in Basra, Iraq and I can tell you this much…the port of Basra was booming with unflagged tankers going in and out of Iraq loaded to the brim with oil for years. FREE oil. Chaos and destruction, of Iraq anyways, certainly led to a whole lot of unaccounted for oil being shipped out. How much is that worth? Billions?

    Besides the oil, you have the looting of antiquities, completely unchecked and also worth a pretty penny. Then you have the shenanigans of people simply flying cash out of the country, like our boy Ayad Allawi tried to do in Iraq. A plane full of millions of dollars that was turned back over Lebanese airspace when it requested to land. Who knows where he went with it after the Lebanese told him to get the hell out.

    War is a business buddy. The most lucrative business on Earth. You can call this all fairy tales as much as you like, but something tells me you are not anywhere within the borders of Syria or Iraq or any war-torn country. So your word is as good as mine or anyone else on this forum. You can say to yourself and others that my friends who live in Basra (and Baghdad, Karbala, Kirkuk, and Kut) are all liars or people I’ve made up, but that’s up to you and whatever your motives may be. Read a little, objectively that is, and you might learn something worth knowing.

  71. “War is a business buddy”
    I’m not buddy of yours, OK?

    Looting and stealing (also of oil is) normal in war time and it will be done by those who have dominant control on the ground. If you are an investor who payed for the pipeline or the producer who sends his oil through the pipeline you expect it to be secure and not stolen by people who just happen to have control over it this week and who do not respect contracts that you have signed.

    You are right about what you wrote in descriptive sense but you are incorrect using this as an argument for the pipeline in destabilized, chaotic and run by warlords Syria.

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  72. Thanks, Solon, very good point.

    I bet a major part of the drive for the nsa surveillance was directly pushed by them. They then persuaded every willing dupe to provide them with access to the raw data under the guise that they are a vulnerable minority who needs extra protection. They are now using all that information to control everyone who gets out of line and to blatantly pursue their own interests.

    Standard modus operandi, but in the long term, acting like a vindictive hive can never get you very far. For all their individual intelligence, they are pretty dim as a nation. On this path, there will be no Pax Israelana!

  73. Pretty likely your not anyone’s buddy. And to be clear, I didn’t mean it literally. It’s call a figure of speech.

    “you expect it to be secure and not stolen by people who just happen to have control over it this week and who do not respect contracts that you have signed.”

    And by the above quoted, do you mean Uncle Sam, or his allies….or does that only apply to the “bad guys”?

    And by the way, what you call normal in war time, I call abhorrent and criminal in war time and peace. Nice double standard buddy.

  74. The Jew media will never investigate the most important news stories.

    The dancing Israelis of 9/11.

    The Bush family’s ties to the Al Saud family.

    The FBI’s half hearted investigation into the Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

    The Saudi money that flows to American politcians, after all Saudi Arabia is a covert ally of Israel.

  75. One more thing I’m curious about….have you ever been to Syria? I’ve been there many many times and I never saw a warlord. In fact, what I saw were highly educated people who for the most part loved their President. I’d wager these warlords you speak of have only been introduced since the Qatari pipeline was rejected. There’s a ton of evidence on who they are and where they come from as well as who is paying them. Funny how things work out huh? But I guess that’s all “normal”.

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  76. Great that you brought up the Jewish interest in regime change for Syria. As is plainly clear NOTHING the US does in the neighborhood of The Jewish State doesn’t pass their muster first. As mentioned BOTH candidates had to meet with Netanyahu prior to the first debate. Why? To get their marching orders and to tell them what to say or not say and what to think. Now how does such a little country get this power? It sure isn’t through honest means.

  77. “Did Exxon-Mobil, BP and Shell moved into Iraq after the war? Do your research.”

    Yes, they did. Not meaning to pick on you, but they did. Also, to be clear, I am in agreement with you that what’s going on in Syria and Iraq (let’s not fool ourselves, it’s the same war) is not simply about this one pipeline. The pipeline is one of many reasons. I think it’s right up there in the top one or two spots, but I doubt it’s the only reason.

  78. That the Russian (5th Column) leaders will leave the boudoir of Netenyahoo long enough to defend the interests of the Russian people, then there is hope for the devastated Syrian People.

    https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/deputies-bolsheviks-communist-party-222-si.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Yalta_Conference_1945_Churchill,_Stalin,_Roosevelt.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yho1Eydh1mM/hqdefault.jpg

    http://www.markpack.org.uk/files/2014/03/Brezhnev-on-the-phone.jpg

    http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/08/02/1226690/408464-0a299760-fb45-11e2-8e2c-aef71659f4b1.jpg

    http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/print/2009/1/louis_vuitton_mikhail_gorbachev.jpg

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/president-boris-yeltsin-dances-at-a-rock-concert-on-june-10-1996-in-picture-id73953139

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/01/23/17/putin-boy-kiss.jpg

    Russian nation was gutted 100 years ago. RIP.

    Does the shitty little entity rule the world. I wonder. It is the perfect pretext, for sure, but maybe just that? … & I’d remind Voltaire that in Euroland they do criticize the entity and their militaries do bomb the usual target.

    Agree regarding Saker, et al and Russian propaganda. Sure, it’s an easy game to play if you own both sides. Western media witholds information in the age of internet (“because we be dumb”) and “RT” and other assorted funny sites by Russians come to our rescue and tell us the truth!

    Russian Federation has been dancing with the West from the get go. They’re having a go at an attempt at “plausible history” as they redraw the borders.

  79. I wrote that “Looting and stealing (also of oil is) normal in war time”. Have you seen a war w/o looting and stealing? A total nuclear war may eliminate looting and stealing as well but we have’t seen it yet. As far as warlords there are plenty of them by know. Probably every block in Aleppo has one. And BTW I wrote few times above (Comment #38) that I do not believe that the pipeline had anything to do with the destabilization of Syria. Nincompoops like Mike Whitney and apparently you do believe in pipeline as the cause.

    You have been to Syria? Where, when? Legally?

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  80. Putin ups ante. So does Defense dept run State dept approved NYT editorials

    “President Vladimir Putin is fast turning Russia into an outlaw nation. As one of five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, his country shares a special responsibility to uphold international law.

    Some Western officials have accused Russia of war crimes, charges that could be pursued through international channels, even if Moscow blocks a formal referral to the International Criminal Court. New sanctions against Russia also should be considered. Mr. Putin will undoubtedly fight any such action, using his veto on the Security Council, but whatever his response, the United States should lend its support to Ukraine’s quest for accountability.

    Over recent days, Mr. Putin has again shown his true colors with air attacks that have included powerful bunker-busting bombs that can destroy underground hospitals and safety zones where civilians seek shelter. On Sept. 19, Russia bombed an aid convoy, which like hospitals and civilians are not supposed to be targeted under international law.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/opinion/vladimir-putins-outlaw-state.html?_r=0

    Man! International law ? Is that still made in NYT whore house? Barrel bomb? What about barrel bombs dropped on Arab soils before from 1940s ? What about Phosphorous ? The true white color?
    International court? That is another public place for hanging and burning witches or the eyes of the blind NYT.

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    You have been to Syria? Where, when? Legally?

    He said he was in Syria many many times. Double many. I would consider 6 times to be many and 15+ to be many many times. Makes you wonder his age , income level and profession to have the sheer time , money and inclination to accomplish that feat .

  82. I checked the map, and there is a route from Saudi through western Iraq to Turkey that avoids Shia territory, so it could be done. I can see how having a Shia gment in Baghdad would be seen as a potential issue. But there is also another easy route: Saudi through Red See to Egypt and on to Europe from Egypt, technically harder, but not that much worse than from Syrian coast to Europe.

    I think the pipelines could be a red herring.

  83. […] der Saker sehen das nicht so pessimistisch und wollen erkennen, dass Putin im Machtpoker sogar den Einsatz erhöht habe – gehen aber davon aus, dass die Einheit Syriens verloren […]

  84. Yours is a fine, but all too rare, example of an exemplary comment and it’s of the type that keeps me coming back to UR. Thanks!

    Tons of good info in that article.

    Here’s a link describing some of the “Bruce-Lovett Report” mentioned in the article. Good stuff there, too.

    https://cryptome.org/0001/bruce-lovett.htm

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  85. Nothing has to benefit the US economy in general.

    Things happen because they benefit small, “special” subsets of the economy and the rest of us be damned.

  86. ‘“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

    ‘Voltaire ?’

    Absolutely not. In Voltaire’s day, there wasn’t the slightest doubt who ruled you. (As he understood only too well, living as he did very nearly exiled to Switzerland because of whom he had criticized).

  87. Hi Jacues! Thanks for the compliment (much appreciated) and for the link. The report looks very accurate, or at least it corresponds closely with my understanding of the CIA and its people. (Based to some extent on reading “The Brothers” – I do hope you have seen that superb but very dispiriting book).

  88. I think the analysis is on the mark except it forgot to include the plans to install the middle east’s largest GAY DISCO in the newly formed region.

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