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The New York Times is currently engaged in one of its most ambitious projects: Removing a sitting president from office. In fact, Times columnist Nicolas Kristof even said as much in a recent article titled “How Can We Get Rid of Trump?”

Frankly, it’s an idea that I find attractive, mainly because I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country. But the Times objections are different from my own. The reason the Times wants Trump removed is because Trump wants to normalize relations with Russia which threatens to undermine Washington’s effort to project US power deeper into Central Asia.

Trump’s decision to normalize relations with Moscow poses a direct threat to Washington’s broader imperial strategy to control China’s growth, topple Putin, spread military bases across Central Asia, implement trade agreements that maintain the dominant role of western-owned mega-corporations, and derail attempts by Russia and China to link the wealthy EU to Asia by expanding the web of pipeline corridors and high-speed rail that will draw the continents closer together creating the largest and most populous free trade zone the world has ever seen.

This is what the US foreign policy establishment and, by inclusion, the Times are trying to avoid at all cost. The economic integration of Asia and Europe must be blocked to preserve Washington’s hegemonic grip on world power. That’s the whole deal in a nutshell.

So don’t be fooled, the Times doesn’t care any more about the suffering of immigrant families who have been victimized by Trump’s extremist policies than they do about the three million refugees that have fled America’s wars in Libya and Syria. The fact that the Times continues to mischaracterize this vast human exodus as some sort of natural disaster instead of the predictable spillover from persistent US aggression, just confirms the fact that the Times is not a reliable source of unbiased information at all. It is a political publication that crafts a political narrative reflecting the views of politically-minded elites whose strategic objectives cannot be achieved without more brainwashing, more coercion and more war.

Let’s consider, for a minute, the Times article that precipitated the current furor over Trump’s alleged connection to Russian intelligence. This is the article that’s been held up by numerous members of congress and the media as ironclad proof of Trump’s collusion with Moscow. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.” (“Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence”, New York Times)

There’s no reason to read any further, because the entire article follows this same basic pattern, that is, the article is shaped to create the impression that the Trump camp teamed up with the Russians to torpedo Hillary’s campaign. Unfortunately, the Times presents no hard evidence that the “call logs and intercepted communications (that) are part of a larger trove of information that the F.B.I.” even exist. Nor have they proved that anyone in the Trump camp ever communicated with people in Russia (excluding Michael Flynn, of course) let alone, collaborated to undermine the presidential election. It’s all 100% uncorroborated fluff.

So what’s going on here? Why would the Times run an article alleging impeachable offenses –which has sharpened the attacks on Trump by his critics in the media, the congress and in foreign capitals– without providing any evidence that their claims are true? None of the intelligence agents cited in the article have come forward and identified themselves (as one might expect when the charges are this serious), and as the Times admits, “The F.B.I. declined to comment.”

So they have nothing, right?

One can only conclude that the real intention of the article was to generate as much suspicion as possible –in order to damage to Trump as much as possible– without really saying much of anything, that is, to create the impression of wrongdoing without providing any proof of wrongdoing. And, in that regard, the Times certainly succeeded. It has been a very impressive smear campaign.

(By the way, in a Sunday morning interview on Fox News White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said that top intelligence officials told him that their was no collusion between Trump’s people and Russia. Priebus said that “top-level people,” in the intelligence community told him “that that story in the New York Times is complete garbage. And quite frankly, they used different words than that.”

Not surprisingly, Fox News host Chris Wallace demanded that Priebus reveal his sources, a demand that Wallace never made of the Times.)

Here’s more from the Times piece:

“The intercepted calls are different from the wiretapped conversations last year between Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, and Sergey I. Kislyak, Russia’s ambassador to the United States. In those calls, which led to Mr. Flynn’s resignation on Monday night, the two men discussed sanctions that the Obama administration imposed on Russia in December.”

More disinformation. So far, all we know about Flynn’s conversations was that he said that the administration would “review” the newly-imposed sanctions when after Trump was sworn in as president. There’s no evidence at all that Flynn did something illegal or in violation of the Logan Act. None. The media has used the incident to suggest that illicit activities had taken place when in fact, there is no evidence of wrongdoing at all. As far as we know, Flynn was just doing his job.

What’s more interesting is the fact that Obama decided to impose the new sanctions on Russia in late December (after Trump had already been elected) knowing that Trump probably wouldn’t support the sanctions.

ORDER IT NOW

That seems strange, don’t you think? Why would Obama do something so disrespectful at the eleventh hour unless he had something else up his sleeve? Was Obama setting a trap to get rid of the man who was the driving-force behind better relations with Russia? (Flynn)

I don’t know, but the facts are pretty suspicious. First, Obama imposed the sanctions in late December knowing that Trump would oppose them.

Second, Obama knew that Russia would want to discuss the sanctions with Flynn, right?

Right. So was it a trap set by Obama to trip-up Flynn?

Maybe “yes”, maybe “no”. It’s hard to say. But what we know is that 17 days before Obama left office, he issued an executive order expanding the powers of the NSA “to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” (NYT)

Why does that matter?

It matters because Flynn had already had his conversation with the Russian ambassador, so if the Intel agency that illegally gathered the information wanted to escape prosecution, the best way to do that would be to spread the information around to other agencies making it impossible to hold any one agency accountable. Simply put: They were taking the precautionary step of removing their bloody fingerprints from the murder weapon.

Check this out from Zero Hedge: “According to civil rights expert and prominent First Amendment Supreme Court lawyer, Jay Sekulow, what the agencies did by leaking the Trump Administration information was not only illegal but “almost becomes a soft coup”, one which was spurred by the last minute rule-change by Obama, who intentionally made it far easier for leaks to propagate, and next to impossible to catch those responsible for the leaks…

This is his explanation:

‘There was a sea-change here at the NSA with an order that came from president Obama 17 days before he left office where he allowed the NSA who used to control the data, it now goes to 16 other agencies and that just festered this whole leaking situation, and that happened on the way out, as the president was leaving the office.

Why did the Obama administration wait until it had 17 days left in their administration to put this order in place if they thought it was so important. They had 8 years, they didn’t do it, number one. Number two, it changed the exiting rule which was an executive order dating back to Ronald Reagan, that has been in place until 17 days before the Obama administration was going to end, that said the NSA gets the raw data, and they determine dissemination.

Instead, this change that the president put in place, signed off by the way by James Clapper on December 15, 2016, signed off by Loretta Lynch the Attorney General January 3, 2017, they decide that now 16 agencies can get the raw data and what that does is almost creates a shadow government. You have all these people who are not agreeing with President Trump’s position, so it just festers more leaks.

If they had a justification for this, wonderful, why didn’t they do it 8 years ago, 4 years ago, 3 years ago. Yet they wait until 17 days left.’

One potential answer: They knew they had a “smoking gun”, and were working to make it easier to enable the information to be “leaked” despite the clearly criminal consequences of such dissemination.” (“Jay Sekulow: Obama Should Be “Held Accountable” For The “Soft Coup” Against Trump“, Zero Hedge)

It’s an intriguing twist to the larger story, but it is not one that I can independently verify. Besides, what really concerns me is the emerging alliance between the Dems, the agenda-driven media, the deep-state agencies, the all-powerful foreign policy establishment and the progressives that are desperate to get rid of Trump by hook or crook. Glenn Greenwald summed it up perfectly in a recent post at The Intercept. He said:

“I happen to think that the Trump presidency is extremely dangerous…. They want to dismantle the environment. They want to eliminate the safety net. They want to empower billionaires. They want to enact bigoted policies against Muslims and immigrants and so many others. And it is important to resist them. …(But) if you’re somebody who believes that both the CIA and the deep state, on the one hand, and the Trump presidency, on the other, are extremely dangerous, as I do, there’s a huge difference between the two, which is that Trump was democratically elected and is subject to democratic controls… But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They’re barely subject to democratic controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine the elected branches of government is insanity. That is a prescription for destroying democracy overnight in the name of saving it.” (“Greenwald: Empowering the “Deep State” to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy“, Democracy Now)

In other words, if you lie down with dogs, you’ll get up with fleas. Leftists should avoid the temptation of aligning themselves with groups and agencies that might help them achieve their short-term goal of removing Trump, but ultimately move them closer to a de facto 1984 lock-down police state. Misplaced support for the deep state Russophobes will only strengthen the national security state’s stranglehold on power. That’s not a path to victory, it’s a path to annihilation.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country.

    Yeah. God forbid we end up with the demographics and legal regime of the mid-20th century, when we displayed incredible national solidarity through a Great Depression and fought World War Two in two theaters and then created the highest living standards in human history. Honestly, it could destroy the country.

    People generate waste and take up space. How are you going to save the environment bringing in a million people a year?

    What are these draconian views of “human rights” and “civil liberties” you attribute to Trump? Am I supposed to be horrified that he believes people in the country illegally should be arrested and sent back? That feral, tax-eating thugs don’t need to be treated with kid gloves?

    You live in Washington state. Low population density, 80% white, largest ethnic minority is high-g, low-violence Asians (8%). Live smack-dab in the middle of an Eastern seaboard city and tell me we need more immigration and the cops are too rough.

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    BLACKPILL. They're hellbent on ruing the Pacific Northwest. No future homeland there.
    , @interesting
    that quote was as far as i could read. When you read something that moronically stupid there is no point in reading further. Anything this author could say after this is irrelevant as he has no grasp of reality and my time is far to valuable to me to waste it on reading clueless morons.

    I think what he said there is called pandering, he's trying to get the super ultra mega idiots to read this by bashing Trump.
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  2. Having a bit of trouble deciding which side you are on Mike?

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  3. They want to empower billionaires.

    They want to empower American billionaires, at the expense of the globalist financial cabal ruining the planet. I’d like to live in a libertarian-communist paradise too, but sadly this options is not on the table. Pick one of the two available.

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  4. iffen says:

    confirms the fact that the Times is not a reliable source of unbiased information at all.

    Say what?

    Who else knows about this?

    We need to tell someone. Someone that can do something about this.

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  5. iffen says:

    derail attempts by Russia and China to link the wealthy EU to Asia

    Europe-Russia-China

    Now there’s a Triple Entente with some giddy-up.

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  6. Bill P says:

    So don’t be fooled, the Times doesn’t care any more about the suffering of immigrant families who have been victimized by Trump’s extremist policies than they do about the three million refugees that have fled America’s wars in Libya and Syria.

    The Times really, really doesn’t care about the American families suffering from the consequences of mass immigration. And trust me: there have been consequences, and there has been suffering.

    Yes, even here in Washington state.

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  7. Renoman says:

    The times is simply Israel, they are the source of all Middle east Misery. If we continue to follow them we will be in a major war very soon. Towing that neocon line will quite simply “ruin the World”. Trump is a wild card who will doubtless make many mistakes but he is the ONLY alternative and that is what America voted for. Give him a chance, give the World a chance.

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    Agree Renomen
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  8. So you’re for overthrowing President Trump too?
    Say so if you are. Join in with the establishment chorus OR “STFU” please. You publish some good articles.
    But man, these calls coming from all over for what amounts to a coup or somehow “getting rid” of this president need to stop.

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  9. @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country.
     
    Yeah. God forbid we end up with the demographics and legal regime of the mid-20th century, when we displayed incredible national solidarity through a Great Depression and fought World War Two in two theaters and then created the highest living standards in human history. Honestly, it could destroy the country.

    People generate waste and take up space. How are you going to save the environment bringing in a million people a year?

    What are these draconian views of "human rights" and "civil liberties" you attribute to Trump? Am I supposed to be horrified that he believes people in the country illegally should be arrested and sent back? That feral, tax-eating thugs don't need to be treated with kid gloves?

    You live in Washington state. Low population density, 80% white, largest ethnic minority is high-g, low-violence Asians (8%). Live smack-dab in the middle of an Eastern seaboard city and tell me we need more immigration and the cops are too rough.

    BLACKPILL. They’re hellbent on ruing the Pacific Northwest. No future homeland there.

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  10. Druid says:
    @Renoman
    The times is simply Israel, they are the source of all Middle east Misery. If we continue to follow them we will be in a major war very soon. Towing that neocon line will quite simply "ruin the World". Trump is a wild card who will doubtless make many mistakes but he is the ONLY alternative and that is what America voted for. Give him a chance, give the World a chance.

    Agree Renomen

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  11. Though I agree that Trump is no friend of the environment, bear in mind that this is a phony issue because the globalist types represented by the lamestream democrats favour “trade pacts” which would put any regulations under the purview of corrupt private unaccountable extralegal arbitration courts. As the article correctly indicates, the “refugee” problem is blowback from the yankee destruction of what once were stable, civilized countries by yankee warmaking efforts. People in western countries are correctly concerned that their civilization is under threat from those with alien cultures washed ashore as a result of this instability.

    It is apparent as is indicted that Genreal Flynn was railroaded, and Trump’s foreign policy views are relatively reasonable and far less dangerous than the war crime advocating “mainstream” view propagated by the NY Times, which is now about as accurate as was Pravda under Stalin or the Voelkischer Beobachter under the Fuhrer. What we have is an attempted fascist coup propagating a potential nuclear war policy. As Trump has correctly indicated, the lamestream media like the Times, Post, and TV networks, as well as the deep state are enemies of the people. Their record in Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere indicates that they are traitors to civilization as well. Any “progressives” backing this program have gone over to the dark side and should be viewed as such. Mr. Whitney is actually being too kind. Those lying down with mangy dogs and plague infested fascist rats wake up with the mange and the fleas give them the bubonic plague.

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  12. Alden says:

    So Mike Whitney is against Trumps program of deporting a few criminal immigrants.

    As a person who was born in the working class paradise of 1940s California and have lived to see it descend into a third world hellhole because of non White immigration I won’t read pro immigrant Mike Whitney again.
    It’s not just illegal Hispanic dishwashers stealing our jobs. It’s those Chinese and Indian and Arab Drs, accountants engineers etc that have stolen our jobs and ruined the state. There are entire hospitals that don’t have one, not one White dr on staff.

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    America’s deportation champion was President Barack Obama, who expelled 2.2 million immigrants and their family members in eight years, or approximately 275,000 a year. In his first month in office, President Trump has deported just one percent of Obama’s monthly average.

    There was Obama's same-as-Trump exec. order, titled the “Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act” (H. R.158), specifically barred nationals from Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Sudan from entering the U.S. without first submitting to interrogation and specialist vetting—including face-to-face interviews in their home countries before setting off.
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  13. It’s a thin line between “Invade the world / Invite the world” and “Ruin the world / Run the world.” Times seems be in favour of both.

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  14. “…I think Trump’s views on… could destroy the country.”

    And just what’s so sacred about “the country”? Who cares if the world’s most monstrous terrorist state dies a well deserved and long overdue death?

    “The country” has never really been as advertised anyway, is almost certainly unreformable, doesn’t seem to be improving in many ways, if any, so who cares? Is anybody shedding tears that Rome died out?

    Only a drama queen could care, and isn’t the alarmist schtick getting a little old?

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  15. Mike Whitney…the enemy of Corporate Power!!!!…who wants to give Mark Zuckerberg a massive Chinese Legal Immigrant scab labor subsidy on a silver platter.

    Bring back the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!

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  16. Durruti says:

    Imperialism has consequences.

    1. Refugees flee destroyed Nations (often they flee to the very shores where their destroyers reside).

    2. The (immoral), promise of Butter to the Rubes, if they support Zionist Militarist NATO Genocide in East Europe and the Middle East, – is often not honored.

    3. The first Modern Arab Spring (November 22, 1963), was utilized on the only powerful nation that is capable of invading and destroying the world (on cue from the Rothschilds and other Zionist Oligarchs). It was this Treason, and a Great Republic destroyed, that enabled the Oligarchs to open Pandora’s Box of complete destructive evil.

    4. In America’s case, the complete breakdown of a functional (imperfect), Democratic Republic, and the corresponding gutting of its political, moral, and economic (human), foundation; its (at one time), hard working and remunerative Middle Class – followed.

    5. The refusal of commenters at Unz Review (and society at large), to understand just what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963, discuss the event, and to propose a remedy to the crime.

    The caffeine is wearing off.

    I like all of you (even the agents and trolls).

    For the Republic!

    God Bless! And God Bless America!

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  17. Maxwell says:

    The government, full-stop, solely represents the interests of the wealthy. As Marx wrote, they are an executive committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoisie, and under modern capitalism, it has has always been thus.

    The proletariat, as documented and analysed, for those who needed the academic and official confirmation for what they already knew, has a net zero say in these affairs anymore.

    Republicans and Democrats have different tactics, different histories, and different bases that they pander to in order to get elected and to perpetuate the farce and maintain the illusion of representative democracy. But they have the same masters, they serve the same class, and the same system.

    Trump is the culmination of the decades-long decay of US society and the crisis of the capitalist system, and the fading American role as world hegemon and empire. He is the result of 8 years of Obama in which he bailed out and proceeded to pump up (with QE) the corrupt and fraudulent financial system and the Wall St. criminals and parasites after destroying the economy and the lives of millions, restructuring (“saving”) the auto industry, overseeing the greatest transfer of wealth from bottom to top (“upward torrent” economics they teach at Harvard), while continuing and expanding the murderous and criminal war OF terror and entrenching the police state at home.

    He did all this but the liberal media, complacent, cognitively dissonant liberals and faux-gressives were fooled and manipulated by the master marketing campaign, hypnotized and lobotomized by identity politics, and have been pedaling and apologizing for the invented identity and myth of the man, our first black president, Nobel prize winner, a true progressive, cool, humble, etc.

    But he is NO LESS monstrous than Trump or Clinton. And the democrats are no less corrupt, criminal, and complicit than the Republicans when it comes to imperial slaughter, displacement, and terror, militarily and financially, and the oppression and surveillance and immiseration of the masses abroad and at home.

    We will not break free of our chains, we will never successfully revolt, nor save ourselves and save the species from nuclear annihilation, climate chaos, and extinction, if we cannot understand that the fundamental division is CLASS, that both parties serve the ruling class, and that capitalism is the root cause and vehicle of class division, oppression, exploitation, inequality, racism, war, environmental destruction, poverty, and on and on.

    Obama was the greatest tool of counter revolution, working class suppression and neutralization, and enrichment of the ruling class they could’ve ever asked for.

    Clinton was preferred to Trump by the majority of the ruling establishment, leaders of both parties, the MIC, the media, wall St., etc, because though Trump will enrich them just as much, if not more, he is, compared to Obama’s magic spell cast upon the “left”, the anti war movement, etc, Trump is going to be exactly the opposite, and is going to, and already is, cause an explosion of social and political tensions, and energize protests and movements against his open corruption and racism and general monstrosity.

    Hillary had the historical first woman thing going for her, and cover from the liberal faction of the Dems, in Sanders and Warren, that voodoo identity politics that Obama had, but she had the misfortune of running on Obamas aforementioned record, which was simply too much to distort as somehow desirable, and of being historically unlikable, along with Trump. Trump then exploited the populist and change void that Sanders left gaping when he capitulated, and ruined the plans of the masters of this country.

    But they don’t really care about his cabinet picks, a list of plutocrats, right wingers, fascists, and generals. Not really.

    They care that he is too independent of the Deep State and won’t follow along blindly and willfully with their diktats, won’t continue the war drive against Russia, and that he is openly and publicly questioning the legitimacy of the intelligence community, in which a conflict within the ruling class expresses itself in this theatre of both hysteria about Russian hacking, and Putin- bashing where you have Democrats trying to outdo one another over their effusive praise of the patriotism and purity of the CIA.

    They know that, for example, people are beginning to get angry about the fact that 8 billionaires are as wealthy as the bottom half of all humanity, and they fear that they’ll connect the dots between all of their suffering and these statistics, and paint the full picture that the problem is capitalism and both parties are complicit in creating and maintaining this grotesque and unjust status quo that has brought us to the brink of extinction bearing down from several different directions of interconnected existential crises.

    That is the critical mass that they are desperate to prevent from occurring, and that is necessary if we are to halt the system at the root of all of it and stop our global to descent into doom.

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    There are Two-2 essential flaws in your Regurgitation of the Marxist Class View:

    1. The first major flaw in your Marxist Lemonist analysis - lies in your concession that the 2016 Presidential election was a legitimate and somewhat honestly conducted contest. You imply that the votes were accurately counted, and that, democracy, somehow exists, (even if the masses are brainwashed). Pay attention to "they pander to in order to get elected."

    "Republicans and Democrats have different tactics, different histories, and different bases that they pander to in order to get elected and to perpetuate the farce and maintain the illusion of representative democracy."

    The other Key weakness of your thesis - lies in your GLARING omission.

    2. Your lengthy Marxist Lemonist propaganda piece, manages not to refer to the Elephant in the Room. The Zionist control of America, and its suborning of its politicians (AIPAC), et. al., displays the shallowness of your propaganda. Your fellow Marxists lie/lay mostly within the Democrat Gang (which they joined in 1941, at the onset of the world imperialist initiated Barbarossa). As of 2017, the Marxist Lemonists have not left their Democrat gang home.They serve the Zionist Land Thieving anti-Semites (anti-Semites are those who hate Arabs, as most Arabs are Semites, and most Jews are not), and wish to build the Eretz Israel.

    You conveniently trot out your 'Marxist' analysis, after the forced retirement of Killery Clinton and Hollywood Obomber. Your analysis is designed, principally, to roust up opposition to Casino Trump, and to obfuscate the key imperative, which is for Patriotic Americans to Restore our Republic! [Our Republic was overthrown - in a hail of bullets - on November 22, 1963.]

    If, as you write, " if we are to halt the system at the root of all of it and stop our global to descent into doom" then it is advisable to correctly identify that "root."

    The fundamental division is not between Class, but between Morality and its absence. Try explaining the ongoing ethnic -cleansing of the Palestinian People by utilizing your Marxist "Class" approach. Most working class Jews support Genocide against Palestinians, as well as the Arabs of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and the rest of the Middle East. Try finding any, including Jewish Union/labor leaders, who don't support Zionist and American imperialism.

    Durruti - for the Anarchist Collective
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  18. 5. The refusal of commenters at Unz Review (and society at large), to understand just what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963, discuss the event, and to propose a remedy to the crime.

    I know what happened, who didn’t do it, and I’d love to know whatdunnit.

    Also, a similar charge could be said of the refusal of commenters at Unz Review (and society at large), to understand just what happened in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787 and in DC on December 23, 1913, discuss the events, and to propose a remedy to the crimes.

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    "I know what happened, who didn’t do it, and I’d love to know whatdunnit."

    Do not tell me that you have not read Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement,"

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMu_DR5abSAhVL6SYKHWBIAPYQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRush_to_Judgment&usg=AFQjCNHarhPnLQh_w1O1UEmZF74U0VDdmQ&sig2=zzLtm_zKHCcBTu60hMp1TA

    Start there, and, later, peruse: "Coup d'Etat in America" by Weberman.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjViKKL5qbSAhWEZiYKHQwVCcIQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F2185543.Coup_d_Etat_in_America&usg=AFQjCNHep0BIjeS09ZZcII8IaqZbkdITlA&sig2=bAktr9mW66DHgdG9O-JBGg

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.

    As for "whatdunnit"??? I have pointed at them repeatedly, the Oligarchs who control MOSSAD/CIA/MI 5. I may be incorrect, but, that is my best guess.

    Durruti
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  19. The New York Times started the Iraq war at the behest of our ruling oligarchy. Ensconced within the paper of record however, were the dissenters, such as the illustrious Paul Krugman or Chris Hedges to provide counterpoint to the Judith Miller programming. Thus, all bases are covered by the imperial news letter. These self-aggrandizing professionals, who claim they were in the right (if it even matters) in such horrible outcomes, is beyond sad, it’s tragic that anyone buys their output.

    The paper of record as pure propaganda isn’t a recent revelation, but what is remarkable is the credulity of readers who ingest a daily dose of bias, propaganda and disinformation via the web and are affected by it. As if the disinformation is now purified. Somehow, it was believed the web would be a real alternative to the legacy of the so-called fourth estate. The web is owned, your comments here are owned, and mined – the balance of power has never been more unequal of terrifying. It’s not that the New York Times is corrupted, co-opted – the press (all of it) has sold this ridiculous mythology that they are the fourth estate and you should believe what they say.

    Make up your own stories. It is entirely possible that a new cold war is exactly what the US and their so-called Russian opposition are mutually agreeing to. Think of the profiteering, everyone is for sale. Millions of riff-raff have to place their trust in a global mafia that appears intent to starve or bomb them at various times and places.

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  20. nsa says:

    The author is a prototypical Seattle leftie. He probably typed this article into his laptop at his local Starbucks, sipping on a $5 butterscotch-peppermint mocha between nibbles of a chocolate-hazelnut croissant….attired in REI cargo pants with those side pockets holding the granola bar and celery stick snacks….shod in Birkenstocks ( Western Washington cowboy boots) over white socks….and maybe a euro head band to keep the ears cosey while not disturbing the doo. He probably rolled up in a greenie mobile, possibly a Prius or Leaf. Or possibly, he is hardcore and arrived on public transit. You see them everywhere. At one time Seattle was a decent blue collar drinking town with mostly modest houses, working people, and an airplane factory…..the town where Beck and the Teamsters got their start……and before them the Wobblies. All that has changed. Now it is the epitome of gentrification and leftie enlightenment and superiority……and everywhere the building cranes and upscale eateries and clogged freeways and and skyrocketing real estate values and visible minorities of all shades and persuasions. In short, the lefties and their wealth have turned a white working class livable town in an overcrowded enlightened affluent leftie shithole…..Pugetropolis

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    He probably arrived on his $1,500 bike clad in $600 worth of that faggy gear.
    , @The Albino Sasquatch
    At the risk of sounding sarcastic, I'm sorry to hear that nsa, but your description of Seattle sounds like a lot of other cities. It sounds a lot like my hometown, only where I live it's full of hipster slime, whose sole purpose in life, apart from virtue signaling, is eating overpriced food & taking photos of it, then slurping down equally overpriced 'craft' beers.
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  21. Durruti says:
    @Maxwell
    The government, full-stop, solely represents the interests of the wealthy. As Marx wrote, they are an executive committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoisie, and under modern capitalism, it has has always been thus.

    The proletariat, as documented and analysed, for those who needed the academic and official confirmation for what they already knew, has a net zero say in these affairs anymore.

    Republicans and Democrats have different tactics, different histories, and different bases that they pander to in order to get elected and to perpetuate the farce and maintain the illusion of representative democracy. But they have the same masters, they serve the same class, and the same system.

    Trump is the culmination of the decades-long decay of US society and the crisis of the capitalist system, and the fading American role as world hegemon and empire. He is the result of 8 years of Obama in which he bailed out and proceeded to pump up (with QE) the corrupt and fraudulent financial system and the Wall St. criminals and parasites after destroying the economy and the lives of millions, restructuring ("saving") the auto industry, overseeing the greatest transfer of wealth from bottom to top ("upward torrent" economics they teach at Harvard), while continuing and expanding the murderous and criminal war OF terror and entrenching the police state at home.

    He did all this but the liberal media, complacent, cognitively dissonant liberals and faux-gressives were fooled and manipulated by the master marketing campaign, hypnotized and lobotomized by identity politics, and have been pedaling and apologizing for the invented identity and myth of the man, our first black president, Nobel prize winner, a true progressive, cool, humble, etc.

    But he is NO LESS monstrous than Trump or Clinton. And the democrats are no less corrupt, criminal, and complicit than the Republicans when it comes to imperial slaughter, displacement, and terror, militarily and financially, and the oppression and surveillance and immiseration of the masses abroad and at home.

    We will not break free of our chains, we will never successfully revolt, nor save ourselves and save the species from nuclear annihilation, climate chaos, and extinction, if we cannot understand that the fundamental division is CLASS, that both parties serve the ruling class, and that capitalism is the root cause and vehicle of class division, oppression, exploitation, inequality, racism, war, environmental destruction, poverty, and on and on.

    Obama was the greatest tool of counter revolution, working class suppression and neutralization, and enrichment of the ruling class they could've ever asked for.

    Clinton was preferred to Trump by the majority of the ruling establishment, leaders of both parties, the MIC, the media, wall St., etc, because though Trump will enrich them just as much, if not more, he is, compared to Obama's magic spell cast upon the "left", the anti war movement, etc, Trump is going to be exactly the opposite, and is going to, and already is, cause an explosion of social and political tensions, and energize protests and movements against his open corruption and racism and general monstrosity.

    Hillary had the historical first woman thing going for her, and cover from the liberal faction of the Dems, in Sanders and Warren, that voodoo identity politics that Obama had, but she had the misfortune of running on Obamas aforementioned record, which was simply too much to distort as somehow desirable, and of being historically unlikable, along with Trump. Trump then exploited the populist and change void that Sanders left gaping when he capitulated, and ruined the plans of the masters of this country.

    But they don't really care about his cabinet picks, a list of plutocrats, right wingers, fascists, and generals. Not really.

    They care that he is too independent of the Deep State and won't follow along blindly and willfully with their diktats, won't continue the war drive against Russia, and that he is openly and publicly questioning the legitimacy of the intelligence community, in which a conflict within the ruling class expresses itself in this theatre of both hysteria about Russian hacking, and Putin- bashing where you have Democrats trying to outdo one another over their effusive praise of the patriotism and purity of the CIA.

    They know that, for example, people are beginning to get angry about the fact that 8 billionaires are as wealthy as the bottom half of all humanity, and they fear that they'll connect the dots between all of their suffering and these statistics, and paint the full picture that the problem is capitalism and both parties are complicit in creating and maintaining this grotesque and unjust status quo that has brought us to the brink of extinction bearing down from several different directions of interconnected existential crises.

    That is the critical mass that they are desperate to prevent from occurring, and that is necessary if we are to halt the system at the root of all of it and stop our global to descent into doom.

    There are Two-2 essential flaws in your Regurgitation of the Marxist Class View:

    1. The first major flaw in your Marxist Lemonist analysis – lies in your concession that the 2016 Presidential election was a legitimate and somewhat honestly conducted contest. You imply that the votes were accurately counted, and that, democracy, somehow exists, (even if the masses are brainwashed). Pay attention to “they pander to in order to get elected.”

    “Republicans and Democrats have different tactics, different histories, and different bases that they pander to in order to get elected and to perpetuate the farce and maintain the illusion of representative democracy.”

    The other Key weakness of your thesis – lies in your GLARING omission.

    2. Your lengthy Marxist Lemonist propaganda piece, manages not to refer to the Elephant in the Room. The Zionist control of America, and its suborning of its politicians (AIPAC), et. al., displays the shallowness of your propaganda. Your fellow Marxists lie/lay mostly within the Democrat Gang (which they joined in 1941, at the onset of the world imperialist initiated Barbarossa). As of 2017, the Marxist Lemonists have not left their Democrat gang home.They serve the Zionist Land Thieving anti-Semites (anti-Semites are those who hate Arabs, as most Arabs are Semites, and most Jews are not), and wish to build the Eretz Israel.

    You conveniently trot out your ‘Marxist’ analysis, after the forced retirement of Killery Clinton and Hollywood Obomber. Your analysis is designed, principally, to roust up opposition to Casino Trump, and to obfuscate the key imperative, which is for Patriotic Americans to Restore our Republic! [Our Republic was overthrown - in a hail of bullets - on November 22, 1963.]

    If, as you write, ” if we are to halt the system at the root of all of it and stop our global to descent into doom” then it is advisable to correctly identify that “root.”

    The fundamental division is not between Class, but between Morality and its absence. Try explaining the ongoing ethnic -cleansing of the Palestinian People by utilizing your Marxist “Class” approach. Most working class Jews support Genocide against Palestinians, as well as the Arabs of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and the rest of the Middle East. Try finding any, including Jewish Union/labor leaders, who don’t support Zionist and American imperialism.

    Durruti – for the Anarchist Collective

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  22. Durruti says:
    @jacques sheete

    5. The refusal of commenters at Unz Review (and society at large), to understand just what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963, discuss the event, and to propose a remedy to the crime.
     
    I know what happened, who didn't do it, and I'd love to know whatdunnit.


    Also, a similar charge could be said of the refusal of commenters at Unz Review (and society at large), to understand just what happened in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787 and in DC on December 23, 1913, discuss the events, and to propose a remedy to the crimes.

    “I know what happened, who didn’t do it, and I’d love to know whatdunnit.”

    Do not tell me that you have not read Mark Lane’s “Rush to Judgement,”

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMu_DR5abSAhVL6SYKHWBIAPYQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRush_to_Judgment&usg=AFQjCNHarhPnLQh_w1O1UEmZF74U0VDdmQ&sig2=zzLtm_zKHCcBTu60hMp1TA

    Start there, and, later, peruse: “Coup d’Etat in America” by Weberman.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjViKKL5qbSAhWEZiYKHQwVCcIQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F2185543.Coup_d_Etat_in_America&usg=AFQjCNHep0BIjeS09ZZcII8IaqZbkdITlA&sig2=bAktr9mW66DHgdG9O-JBGg

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.

    As for “whatdunnit”??? I have pointed at them repeatedly, the Oligarchs who control MOSSAD/CIA/MI 5. I may be incorrect, but, that is my best guess.

    Durruti

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    I've read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn't kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There's plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev's building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.
    , @jacques sheete

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.
     
    Not likely. There are so many topics that interest me that a couple of millennia wouldn't be enough time for me to develop an interest in the Kennedy assassination, but thanks for confirming some of my suspicions about it.

    Of much more interest to me are JFK's views about Hitler and Nazism but I doubt I'll ever find sufficient time to really explore that topic, either.


    According to Spiegel Online's article on the book, “John F. Kennedy Unter Deutschen" the 20-year-old Kennedy pondered on August 3, 1937: What are the evils of fascism compared to communism? On August 21 he added that the Germans had been ganged up on.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/did-john-f-kennedy-admire-hitler.premium-1.525719
     

    Kennedy was correct n that view. In fact, the Germans were, unfortunately, living in a tough neighborhood and were ganged up on more than once.
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  23. slorter says:

    “Frankly, it’s an idea that I find attractive, mainly because I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country. But the Times objections are different from my own. The reason the Times wants Trump removed is because Trump wants to normalize relations with Russia which threatens to undermine Washington’s effort to project US power deeper into Central Asia.”

    Trump basically upsets the Washington consensus and their little neocon plans! As always Mike some thought behind your articles!

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    Perhaps Mike prefers Pence. Mike isn't usually stupid, but errare humanum est. Trump is for relations with Russia, Mike. This avoids nuclear war. That consideration is far more important that immigration, etc., and it is obviously the worst possible ecological event.
    Intelligence consists in separating the essential from the secondary.
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  24. Wally says:
    @Alden
    So Mike Whitney is against Trumps program of deporting a few criminal immigrants.

    As a person who was born in the working class paradise of 1940s California and have lived to see it descend into a third world hellhole because of non White immigration I won't read pro immigrant Mike Whitney again.
    It's not just illegal Hispanic dishwashers stealing our jobs. It's those Chinese and Indian and Arab Drs, accountants engineers etc that have stolen our jobs and ruined the state. There are entire hospitals that don't have one, not one White dr on staff.

    America’s deportation champion was President Barack Obama, who expelled 2.2 million immigrants and their family members in eight years, or approximately 275,000 a year. In his first month in office, President Trump has deported just one percent of Obama’s monthly average.

    There was Obama’s same-as-Trump exec. order, titled the “Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act” (H. R.158), specifically barred nationals from Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Sudan from entering the U.S. without first submitting to interrogation and specialist vetting—including face-to-face interviews in their home countries before setting off.

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    By virtue of the bill you refer to being "H.R.158," it couldn't have been an executive order. It was a "house resolution," as the acronym suggests. The bill's sponsor was a Republican.

    H.R. 158 did not prevent refugees from coming here, nor did it impose a blanket ban for even limited periods of time.
    , @Alden
    There are thousands of Iranian Drs in California. And almost all the HI B STEM people are from China and India.

    They are far more a danger to America's native population than an occasional terrorist operation like the San Bernadino massacre.

    That killed 14 Americans. The hospitals and tech companies have put millions of Americans out of work with their HI B visas.
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  25. Trump is for Americans. War is bad for Americans. Massive third world immivasion is bad for Americans.

    Is there anything else you need explained to you, Mike?

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  26. “Frankly, it’s an idea that I find attractive, mainly because I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country”.

    The author is from Washington State. Why am I not surprised? While I have doubts about Trump, it is only because I understand the dialectic involved. He would never have been elected if he didn’t support enough of the elite’s agenda to outweigh the disagreements. But, opposing Trump’s media formed views on immigration, the environment, human rights and civil liberties because the says he believes they could destroy the country shows the author has a limited intellectual capacity. He opposes Trump’s immigration policy. Why? The majority of this country don’t want immigration and we are right. He opposes Trump’s view on the environment. What a douche. (To take a page out of the left’s “all intelligent people believe that man-made climate control is 100% true!) All intelligent, thinking people know that the only reason for environmental hysteria is to take more money from the masses’s pockets. The author doesn’t grasp this. Trump’s views on human rights and civil liberties – the author doesn’t even explain what he means or what those views are, but he accepts as indisputable that these arenas only go in one direction and cannot be reversed, even if they are “destroying the country”. Furthermore, the author doesn’t mean these views will destroy the country. He means they will destroy the government, an entity that no longer has the interests of the Posterity at heart. We can only hope they do destroy the government. I am looking forward to that although I won’t hold my breath waiting for it. The author is a self-righteous fool.

    Oh, as an aside: Attributing anything to Obama shows unparalleled stupidity. Obama was a mongrel presented as a black, because he was “well spoken” (translation -didn’t speak ebonics), but was only capable of reading from a teleprompter. He was promoted as a genius with the highest IQ in the room during the first election. By his departure, everyone said he had a room temperature IQ and was more concerned with spending taxpayer’s money on vacations than being president. He was a front, nothing more.

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  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    America’s deportation champion was President Barack Obama, who expelled 2.2 million immigrants and their family members in eight years, or approximately 275,000 a year. In his first month in office, President Trump has deported just one percent of Obama’s monthly average.

    There was Obama's same-as-Trump exec. order, titled the “Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act” (H. R.158), specifically barred nationals from Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Sudan from entering the U.S. without first submitting to interrogation and specialist vetting—including face-to-face interviews in their home countries before setting off.

    By virtue of the bill you refer to being “H.R.158,” it couldn’t have been an executive order. It was a “house resolution,” as the acronym suggests. The bill’s sponsor was a Republican.

    H.R. 158 did not prevent refugees from coming here, nor did it impose a blanket ban for even limited periods of time.

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    Correction noted, however Obama DID sign it into law on December 18, 2015.

    Oops!

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  28. joe webb says:

    little brother commie….whitney. You are a total race traitor and I hope you live long enough, like the cripple who betrayed Spartans at Thermopylae …to kill yourself finally. Shoot yhourself in the head. Maybe some of the Mysteries of the Zombies will die with you.

    Joe Webb

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    He can't be a traitor unless he has obligated himself. You can't define an obligation for someone else, only for yourself. You are imposing your belief on another person.

    Shoot yhourself in the head.

    Damn, relax a bit, chat up some nice co-ed.

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  29. Alden says:
    @Wally
    America’s deportation champion was President Barack Obama, who expelled 2.2 million immigrants and their family members in eight years, or approximately 275,000 a year. In his first month in office, President Trump has deported just one percent of Obama’s monthly average.

    There was Obama's same-as-Trump exec. order, titled the “Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act” (H. R.158), specifically barred nationals from Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Sudan from entering the U.S. without first submitting to interrogation and specialist vetting—including face-to-face interviews in their home countries before setting off.

    There are thousands of Iranian Drs in California. And almost all the HI B STEM people are from China and India.

    They are far more a danger to America’s native population than an occasional terrorist operation like the San Bernadino massacre.

    That killed 14 Americans. The hospitals and tech companies have put millions of Americans out of work with their HI B visas.

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  30. utu says:

    “Washington’s broader imperial strategy to control China’s growth, topple Putin, spread military bases across Central Asia, implement trade agreements that maintain the dominant role of western-owned mega-corporations, and derail attempts by Russia and China to link the wealthy EU to Asia by expanding the web of pipeline corridors and high-speed rail that will draw the continents closer together creating the largest and most populous free trade zone the world has ever seen.”

    I think this is pretty accurate description.

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  31. Alden says:
    @Durruti
    "I know what happened, who didn’t do it, and I’d love to know whatdunnit."

    Do not tell me that you have not read Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement,"

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMu_DR5abSAhVL6SYKHWBIAPYQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRush_to_Judgment&usg=AFQjCNHarhPnLQh_w1O1UEmZF74U0VDdmQ&sig2=zzLtm_zKHCcBTu60hMp1TA

    Start there, and, later, peruse: "Coup d'Etat in America" by Weberman.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjViKKL5qbSAhWEZiYKHQwVCcIQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F2185543.Coup_d_Etat_in_America&usg=AFQjCNHep0BIjeS09ZZcII8IaqZbkdITlA&sig2=bAktr9mW66DHgdG9O-JBGg

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.

    As for "whatdunnit"??? I have pointed at them repeatedly, the Oligarchs who control MOSSAD/CIA/MI 5. I may be incorrect, but, that is my best guess.

    Durruti

    I’ve read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn’t kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There’s plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev’s building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.

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    Mark Lane was a prominent neo-Nazi collaborator.
    , @Durruti
    Alden:

    I helped Lane move into the 5th Ave. office - he set up to pursue the truth about the most important assassination in our lifetime.

    Lane served in the US Army. He represented, as an attorney, individuals of varying political viewpoints (right to left). He was a strong supporter of the American Constitution.

    A decent summary of his life may be found here.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif5oSDmKfSAhVHSSYKHR1fAZAQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMark_Lane_(author)&usg=AFQjCNHUYVJp4bjXPSRTyRR7KsYynrTo-w&sig2=8A4m4fg35kQdn575uu6-0w

    You get closest to the truth here:

    "It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist."

    Mark Lane was a decent and Patriotic American who was unafraid to approach controversial topics. He specially was unafraid to oppose the Government when he felt that matters of Constitutional Liberty were involved. Lane was both physically and morally brave. Yes, he resisted the global power that, even in 2017, makes most politicians wet their pants.

    About Oswald:

    Oswald was not a "communist defector," (although from your point of view, that should be a plus). Oswald was an employed CIA agent, who was used as a "fall guy," (Oswald's own words), by the very agency he served.

    I never did ask Lane his religion.

    God Bless our Republic! Which we will eventually restore.

    , @Ron Unz

    I’ve read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn’t kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.
     
    Well, I'll have to admit that until a year or two ago, I'd scarcely even *heard* of Mark Lane...

    But once I happened to look into the matter a bit and do some basic reading (maybe 10 books), I'm pretty sure your characterization is very, very seriously mistaken.

    Lane was basically a left-liberal (Jewish) NYC Democrat, and a pretty enthusiastic supporter of JFK. So unless you would consider JFK a "Communist," Lane probably wasn't one either.

    Interestingly enough, although the NYT spent fifty years ridiculing or ignoring Lane's work, when he died last year at nearly the age of ninety, they gave him a huge and glowing obit, basically admitting that he'd been right all along about the "JFK conspiracy." I consider that *huge*.

    Even more interestingly, for the last 20-30 years, Lane seems to have been closely associated with groups and individuals whom today's liberal MSM would probably (very unfairly) denounce as "the extreme Right," maybe even "neo-Nazis." So instead of mischaracterizing him as a "Communist" you'd probably have a better case mischaracterizing him as a (Jewish) neo-Nazi.

    Given such controversial associations I found the glowing NYT obituary especially "intriguing."

    Anyway, one of these days I'll get around to writing up some of this, but unfortunately right now I'm just too preoccupied with my software work.
    , @Jake
    Not for 'Russia.' For the USSR. The USSR-promoting Jews became Russia-hating NeoCons as well as Russia-hating Liberals, just as their forebears hated Russia.
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  32. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Alden
    I've read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn't kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There's plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev's building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.

    Mark Lane was a prominent neo-Nazi collaborator.

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    Yawn.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?
    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    'antisemitic': any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like

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  33. Alden says:
    @nsa
    The author is a prototypical Seattle leftie. He probably typed this article into his laptop at his local Starbucks, sipping on a $5 butterscotch-peppermint mocha between nibbles of a chocolate-hazelnut croissant....attired in REI cargo pants with those side pockets holding the granola bar and celery stick snacks....shod in Birkenstocks ( Western Washington cowboy boots) over white socks....and maybe a euro head band to keep the ears cosey while not disturbing the doo. He probably rolled up in a greenie mobile, possibly a Prius or Leaf. Or possibly, he is hardcore and arrived on public transit. You see them everywhere. At one time Seattle was a decent blue collar drinking town with mostly modest houses, working people, and an airplane factory.....the town where Beck and the Teamsters got their start......and before them the Wobblies. All that has changed. Now it is the epitome of gentrification and leftie enlightenment and superiority......and everywhere the building cranes and upscale eateries and clogged freeways and and skyrocketing real estate values and visible minorities of all shades and persuasions. In short, the lefties and their wealth have turned a white working class livable town in an overcrowded enlightened affluent leftie shithole.....Pugetropolis

    He probably arrived on his $1,500 bike clad in $600 worth of that faggy gear.

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  34. iffen says:
    @joe webb
    little brother commie....whitney. You are a total race traitor and I hope you live long enough, like the cripple who betrayed Spartans at Thermopylae ...to kill yourself finally. Shoot yhourself in the head. Maybe some of the Mysteries of the Zombies will die with you.

    Joe Webb

    He can’t be a traitor unless he has obligated himself. You can’t define an obligation for someone else, only for yourself. You are imposing your belief on another person.

    Shoot yhourself in the head.

    Damn, relax a bit, chat up some nice co-ed.

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  35. Durruti says:
    @Alden
    I've read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn't kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There's plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev's building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.

    Alden:

    I helped Lane move into the 5th Ave. office – he set up to pursue the truth about the most important assassination in our lifetime.

    Lane served in the US Army. He represented, as an attorney, individuals of varying political viewpoints (right to left). He was a strong supporter of the American Constitution.

    A decent summary of his life may be found here.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif5oSDmKfSAhVHSSYKHR1fAZAQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMark_Lane_(author)&usg=AFQjCNHUYVJp4bjXPSRTyRR7KsYynrTo-w&sig2=8A4m4fg35kQdn575uu6-0w

    You get closest to the truth here:

    “It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.”

    Mark Lane was a decent and Patriotic American who was unafraid to approach controversial topics. He specially was unafraid to oppose the Government when he felt that matters of Constitutional Liberty were involved. Lane was both physically and morally brave. Yes, he resisted the global power that, even in 2017, makes most politicians wet their pants.

    About Oswald:

    Oswald was not a “communist defector,” (although from your point of view, that should be a plus). Oswald was an employed CIA agent, who was used as a “fall guy,” (Oswald’s own words), by the very agency he served.

    I never did ask Lane his religion.

    God Bless our Republic! Which we will eventually restore.

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    And another fine book is "JFK And The Unspeakable" why he died and why it matters by James W. Douglass which bring forth much more information as just who was behind the murder of JFK, including the J.C.'S his Secret Service F.B.I. and C.I.A. I would recommend that anyone who was/is interested in the coup of our government should read it...
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  36. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden
    I've read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn't kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There's plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev's building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.

    I’ve read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn’t kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Well, I’ll have to admit that until a year or two ago, I’d scarcely even *heard* of Mark Lane…

    But once I happened to look into the matter a bit and do some basic reading (maybe 10 books), I’m pretty sure your characterization is very, very seriously mistaken.

    Lane was basically a left-liberal (Jewish) NYC Democrat, and a pretty enthusiastic supporter of JFK. So unless you would consider JFK a “Communist,” Lane probably wasn’t one either.

    Interestingly enough, although the NYT spent fifty years ridiculing or ignoring Lane’s work, when he died last year at nearly the age of ninety, they gave him a huge and glowing obit, basically admitting that he’d been right all along about the “JFK conspiracy.” I consider that *huge*.

    Even more interestingly, for the last 20-30 years, Lane seems to have been closely associated with groups and individuals whom today’s liberal MSM would probably (very unfairly) denounce as “the extreme Right,” maybe even “neo-Nazis.” So instead of mischaracterizing him as a “Communist” you’d probably have a better case mischaracterizing him as a (Jewish) neo-Nazi.

    Given such controversial associations I found the glowing NYT obituary especially “intriguing.”

    Anyway, one of these days I’ll get around to writing up some of this, but unfortunately right now I’m just too preoccupied with my software work.

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    I too just discovered Mark Lane and I think he is spot on in his analysis. I also couldn't help but wonder "why have i never heard of this guy"

    So i spent about a week watching every YouTube video i could find of the man. Very interesting....and i didn't know he was Jewish until today....weird.

    , @Alden
    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed. Like so many, he was one of the pro commie east coast Jews that turned the country upside down between 1965 to the present time.

    And if the anti goyim, anti America, pro Stalin, NYT gave him a glowing obituary that just proves my opinion of him.

    I was in college at the time. Kennedy was shot about 10/30 California time. I had a noon PCT class with a very, very lefty professor. In fact he had taught at Columbia for a couple years and claimed he had been the victim of a McCarthy type witch hunt because he was suspected of communism. He was soooo proud of that.
    Personally I always thought he hired on at Stanford because he didn't want to raise his young kids on the edge of Harlem.
    But that very day he was yammering Lane's ideas that Oswald didn't do it, it was the KKK and the FBI and the oil companies.

    Within a week all the lefty profs were spouting the same line, 2 years before Lane's book came out.

    Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that's who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president. Would Kennedy have acquiesced in the nurder of the sailors on the USS Liberty as Johnson did? I don't know

    Would the Israelis have dared to attack the USS Liberty had Kennedy been President ? I don't know.

    What I do know is that when Kennedy was killed the Israeli & liberal anti White puppet took over and the war on the White goyim began.

    DC has been one of the most black crime infested cities in the country for a long time Did you Know Kennedy had a quiet talk with the DC, Capitol, and park police and asked them to crack down hard on black criminals. Kennedy felt it was a bad image for the diplomat corps and foreign visitors to see and live in a black crime infested city

    Contrast that with Johnson. He and his liberals presided over a massive outbreak of black criminality due to the changes in the criminal justice system to favor black criminal's

    I was there and saw the reaction of the liberals. I've read most of the books. I like the spy story thriller genre anyway. That's what I consider most of those books to be, thrillers.

    I consider these to be the most sensible it wasn't Oswald theories.

    1 Cuba did it with the advise and consent of Russia because both countries were afraid Kennedy would kill Castro, invade Cuba and end their commie paradise in the Carribean

    2. Israel did it to get rid of the last US President to stand up to Israel and AIPAC.

    Except to save the life of their protégée Castro the Russians had no real motive.
    At the time of his death and for several years liberals claimed the KKK did it.

    Summation after having read most of the assassination books, they are thrillers and no one knows what really happened
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  37. SamJ says:
    @slorter
    "Frankly, it’s an idea that I find attractive, mainly because I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country. But the Times objections are different from my own. The reason the Times wants Trump removed is because Trump wants to normalize relations with Russia which threatens to undermine Washington’s effort to project US power deeper into Central Asia."

    Trump basically upsets the Washington consensus and their little neocon plans! As always Mike some thought behind your articles!

    Perhaps Mike prefers Pence. Mike isn’t usually stupid, but errare humanum est. Trump is for relations with Russia, Mike. This avoids nuclear war. That consideration is far more important that immigration, etc., and it is obviously the worst possible ecological event.
    Intelligence consists in separating the essential from the secondary.

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  38. Art says:

    The economic integration of Asia and Europe must be blocked to preserve Washington’s hegemonic grip on world power. That’s the whole deal in a nutshell.

    On the contrary, the goal is to make the world safe for global corporate trade and banking on the Rothschild banking model.

    China went to Doves this year because Jew money wants into their economy. Major US corporations are already global. The majority control of US stocks is Jewish.

    The US government and the American people are being used by the Jews to provide the money and blood to accomplish Rothschild’s et al banking goals.

    Seeing anything other than that is for fools.

    Peace — Art

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  39. Wally says:
    @Anon
    By virtue of the bill you refer to being "H.R.158," it couldn't have been an executive order. It was a "house resolution," as the acronym suggests. The bill's sponsor was a Republican.

    H.R. 158 did not prevent refugees from coming here, nor did it impose a blanket ban for even limited periods of time.

    Correction noted, however Obama DID sign it into law on December 18, 2015.

    Oops!

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    Not quite.

    The bill was folded into an omnibus bill, and Obama signed that.

    Further, what the law actually did was rescind an earlier waiver program, so people traveling through the listed countries would have to get visas.

    Trump's EO goes way beyond that.

    Here's the notoriously communist Heritage Foundation on the omnibus bill's immigration provision:

    No Additional Assurances on Vetting Refugees

    The omnibus also does not request additional assurances, intelligence assessments, or risk-based plans for the refugee process. If Congress is genuinely concerned about the vetting of refugees, then it should have requested additional information with which to oversee such vetting programs.

    Similarly, while the bill makes small improvements to the Visa Waiver Program (VWP), it also adds largely unhelpful and even counterproductive restrictions to the program by denying Visa Waiver Program to individuals who have travelled to Iraq, Syria, or other countries. Importantly, it also does not expand the program in order to reap additional security benefits.
     
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  40. “I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country”

    THEN YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID…….WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. GOING. ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    has the whole damn world gone mad?

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  41. @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think Trump’s views on immigration, the environment, human rights, civil liberties and deregulation are so uniformly horrible, they could destroy the country.
     
    Yeah. God forbid we end up with the demographics and legal regime of the mid-20th century, when we displayed incredible national solidarity through a Great Depression and fought World War Two in two theaters and then created the highest living standards in human history. Honestly, it could destroy the country.

    People generate waste and take up space. How are you going to save the environment bringing in a million people a year?

    What are these draconian views of "human rights" and "civil liberties" you attribute to Trump? Am I supposed to be horrified that he believes people in the country illegally should be arrested and sent back? That feral, tax-eating thugs don't need to be treated with kid gloves?

    You live in Washington state. Low population density, 80% white, largest ethnic minority is high-g, low-violence Asians (8%). Live smack-dab in the middle of an Eastern seaboard city and tell me we need more immigration and the cops are too rough.

    that quote was as far as i could read. When you read something that moronically stupid there is no point in reading further. Anything this author could say after this is irrelevant as he has no grasp of reality and my time is far to valuable to me to waste it on reading clueless morons.

    I think what he said there is called pandering, he’s trying to get the super ultra mega idiots to read this by bashing Trump.

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  42. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    Mark Lane was a prominent neo-Nazi collaborator.

    Yawn.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?
    ‘antisemitic’: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

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    The Nazis were still assholes
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  43. @Ron Unz

    I’ve read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn’t kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.
     
    Well, I'll have to admit that until a year or two ago, I'd scarcely even *heard* of Mark Lane...

    But once I happened to look into the matter a bit and do some basic reading (maybe 10 books), I'm pretty sure your characterization is very, very seriously mistaken.

    Lane was basically a left-liberal (Jewish) NYC Democrat, and a pretty enthusiastic supporter of JFK. So unless you would consider JFK a "Communist," Lane probably wasn't one either.

    Interestingly enough, although the NYT spent fifty years ridiculing or ignoring Lane's work, when he died last year at nearly the age of ninety, they gave him a huge and glowing obit, basically admitting that he'd been right all along about the "JFK conspiracy." I consider that *huge*.

    Even more interestingly, for the last 20-30 years, Lane seems to have been closely associated with groups and individuals whom today's liberal MSM would probably (very unfairly) denounce as "the extreme Right," maybe even "neo-Nazis." So instead of mischaracterizing him as a "Communist" you'd probably have a better case mischaracterizing him as a (Jewish) neo-Nazi.

    Given such controversial associations I found the glowing NYT obituary especially "intriguing."

    Anyway, one of these days I'll get around to writing up some of this, but unfortunately right now I'm just too preoccupied with my software work.

    I too just discovered Mark Lane and I think he is spot on in his analysis. I also couldn’t help but wonder “why have i never heard of this guy”

    So i spent about a week watching every YouTube video i could find of the man. Very interesting….and i didn’t know he was Jewish until today….weird.

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  44. what is unsaid or not grasped in your article is simple. there is at present an internecine war between 2 elements of the us oligarchy,

    1, the deep state of which the nyt is a part is inherently globalist in outlook down to their DNA, there are many elements to it from neocons to wall street to the military industrial complex. what they want you have stated. hegemonic control of the planet. a world of serfs apart from the 5,000 or so who constitute the ruling elite. everyone else is a ranch foreman (think leaders of other nations?) or simply livestock…….thats you and I by the way.

    2. the other part of the American oligarchy the branch that helped to get trump elected are nationalists. they understand that we can no longer fight a war against china and win if critical defense spares are made in Asia and Chinese subs blockade shipping to the west coast. ergo re manufacture the American homeland.

    by the way your socialist view of life is on the way out across the entire world. socialism and faith in government is collapsing globally and is unstoppable as debt deflates real economic growth to the point of widespread social revolt. we are there now. europe as the european union will die within 24 months

    anyway mike the issue of points 1 and 2 boil down to one easy to grasp concept.

    group 1 want to use the American empire to ‘try’ (its already too late but that is another story and that is not accepted as true by ideologues) to control the world.
    doing this will destroy the American nation.

    group 2 understands this and wants to save the American nation at the expense of the American empire.

    we have reached a denouement where both can no longer coexist and only one side understands and cares.

    its time to choose sides Mike!

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  45. @Durruti
    "I know what happened, who didn’t do it, and I’d love to know whatdunnit."

    Do not tell me that you have not read Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement,"

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMu_DR5abSAhVL6SYKHWBIAPYQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRush_to_Judgment&usg=AFQjCNHarhPnLQh_w1O1UEmZF74U0VDdmQ&sig2=zzLtm_zKHCcBTu60hMp1TA

    Start there, and, later, peruse: "Coup d'Etat in America" by Weberman.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjViKKL5qbSAhWEZiYKHQwVCcIQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F2185543.Coup_d_Etat_in_America&usg=AFQjCNHep0BIjeS09ZZcII8IaqZbkdITlA&sig2=bAktr9mW66DHgdG9O-JBGg

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.

    As for "whatdunnit"??? I have pointed at them repeatedly, the Oligarchs who control MOSSAD/CIA/MI 5. I may be incorrect, but, that is my best guess.

    Durruti

    Continue googling, and we may pick up this conversation in a few years.

    Not likely. There are so many topics that interest me that a couple of millennia wouldn’t be enough time for me to develop an interest in the Kennedy assassination, but thanks for confirming some of my suspicions about it.

    Of much more interest to me are JFK’s views about Hitler and Nazism but I doubt I’ll ever find sufficient time to really explore that topic, either.

    According to Spiegel Online’s article on the book, “John F. Kennedy Unter Deutschen” the 20-year-old Kennedy pondered on August 3, 1937: What are the evils of fascism compared to communism? On August 21 he added that the Germans had been ganged up on.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/did-john-f-kennedy-admire-hitler.premium-1.525719

    Kennedy was correct n that view. In fact, the Germans were, unfortunately, living in a tough neighborhood and were ganged up on more than once.

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  46. @nsa
    The author is a prototypical Seattle leftie. He probably typed this article into his laptop at his local Starbucks, sipping on a $5 butterscotch-peppermint mocha between nibbles of a chocolate-hazelnut croissant....attired in REI cargo pants with those side pockets holding the granola bar and celery stick snacks....shod in Birkenstocks ( Western Washington cowboy boots) over white socks....and maybe a euro head band to keep the ears cosey while not disturbing the doo. He probably rolled up in a greenie mobile, possibly a Prius or Leaf. Or possibly, he is hardcore and arrived on public transit. You see them everywhere. At one time Seattle was a decent blue collar drinking town with mostly modest houses, working people, and an airplane factory.....the town where Beck and the Teamsters got their start......and before them the Wobblies. All that has changed. Now it is the epitome of gentrification and leftie enlightenment and superiority......and everywhere the building cranes and upscale eateries and clogged freeways and and skyrocketing real estate values and visible minorities of all shades and persuasions. In short, the lefties and their wealth have turned a white working class livable town in an overcrowded enlightened affluent leftie shithole.....Pugetropolis

    At the risk of sounding sarcastic, I’m sorry to hear that nsa, but your description of Seattle sounds like a lot of other cities. It sounds a lot like my hometown, only where I live it’s full of hipster slime, whose sole purpose in life, apart from virtue signaling, is eating overpriced food & taking photos of it, then slurping down equally overpriced ‘craft’ beers.

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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Yawn.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?
    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    'antisemitic': any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like

    The Nazis were still assholes

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Correction noted, however Obama DID sign it into law on December 18, 2015.

    Oops!

    Not quite.

    The bill was folded into an omnibus bill, and Obama signed that.

    Further, what the law actually did was rescind an earlier waiver program, so people traveling through the listed countries would have to get visas.

    Trump’s EO goes way beyond that.

    Here’s the notoriously communist Heritage Foundation on the omnibus bill’s immigration provision:

    No Additional Assurances on Vetting Refugees

    The omnibus also does not request additional assurances, intelligence assessments, or risk-based plans for the refugee process. If Congress is genuinely concerned about the vetting of refugees, then it should have requested additional information with which to oversee such vetting programs.

    Similarly, while the bill makes small improvements to the Visa Waiver Program (VWP), it also adds largely unhelpful and even counterproductive restrictions to the program by denying Visa Waiver Program to individuals who have travelled to Iraq, Syria, or other countries. Importantly, it also does not expand the program in order to reap additional security benefits.

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  49. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn’t kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.
     
    Well, I'll have to admit that until a year or two ago, I'd scarcely even *heard* of Mark Lane...

    But once I happened to look into the matter a bit and do some basic reading (maybe 10 books), I'm pretty sure your characterization is very, very seriously mistaken.

    Lane was basically a left-liberal (Jewish) NYC Democrat, and a pretty enthusiastic supporter of JFK. So unless you would consider JFK a "Communist," Lane probably wasn't one either.

    Interestingly enough, although the NYT spent fifty years ridiculing or ignoring Lane's work, when he died last year at nearly the age of ninety, they gave him a huge and glowing obit, basically admitting that he'd been right all along about the "JFK conspiracy." I consider that *huge*.

    Even more interestingly, for the last 20-30 years, Lane seems to have been closely associated with groups and individuals whom today's liberal MSM would probably (very unfairly) denounce as "the extreme Right," maybe even "neo-Nazis." So instead of mischaracterizing him as a "Communist" you'd probably have a better case mischaracterizing him as a (Jewish) neo-Nazi.

    Given such controversial associations I found the glowing NYT obituary especially "intriguing."

    Anyway, one of these days I'll get around to writing up some of this, but unfortunately right now I'm just too preoccupied with my software work.

    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed. Like so many, he was one of the pro commie east coast Jews that turned the country upside down between 1965 to the present time.

    And if the anti goyim, anti America, pro Stalin, NYT gave him a glowing obituary that just proves my opinion of him.

    I was in college at the time. Kennedy was shot about 10/30 California time. I had a noon PCT class with a very, very lefty professor. In fact he had taught at Columbia for a couple years and claimed he had been the victim of a McCarthy type witch hunt because he was suspected of communism. He was soooo proud of that.
    Personally I always thought he hired on at Stanford because he didn’t want to raise his young kids on the edge of Harlem.
    But that very day he was yammering Lane’s ideas that Oswald didn’t do it, it was the KKK and the FBI and the oil companies.

    Within a week all the lefty profs were spouting the same line, 2 years before Lane’s book came out.

    Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that’s who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president. Would Kennedy have acquiesced in the nurder of the sailors on the USS Liberty as Johnson did? I don’t know

    Would the Israelis have dared to attack the USS Liberty had Kennedy been President ? I don’t know.

    What I do know is that when Kennedy was killed the Israeli & liberal anti White puppet took over and the war on the White goyim began.

    DC has been one of the most black crime infested cities in the country for a long time Did you Know Kennedy had a quiet talk with the DC, Capitol, and park police and asked them to crack down hard on black criminals. Kennedy felt it was a bad image for the diplomat corps and foreign visitors to see and live in a black crime infested city

    Contrast that with Johnson. He and his liberals presided over a massive outbreak of black criminality due to the changes in the criminal justice system to favor black criminal’s

    I was there and saw the reaction of the liberals. I’ve read most of the books. I like the spy story thriller genre anyway. That’s what I consider most of those books to be, thrillers.

    I consider these to be the most sensible it wasn’t Oswald theories.

    1 Cuba did it with the advise and consent of Russia because both countries were afraid Kennedy would kill Castro, invade Cuba and end their commie paradise in the Carribean

    2. Israel did it to get rid of the last US President to stand up to Israel and AIPAC.

    Except to save the life of their protégée Castro the Russians had no real motive.
    At the time of his death and for several years liberals claimed the KKK did it.

    Summation after having read most of the assassination books, they are thrillers and no one knows what really happened

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    "Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that’s who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president.'

    LBJ did not create Affirmative Action and impose on the nation. Nixon did. But I agree that LBJ set it up. However, the British Empire was THE source, It was running a global precursor of Affirmative Action by the height of the Victorian Era. The sons of the Elites of various black and brown and non-Christians ruled by the British Empire were sent to England for Elite education that was denied to at least 95% of white British Isles natives.

    E. Michael Jones a book titled The Slaughter of Cities . Jones shows that the Yankee WASP Elites decided during WW1 to break up the Catholic ethnic neighborhoods in northeastern and midwestern cities because they feared the power that could come from proud culturally conservative whites who did not bow to WASP slogans and cliches. The Feds were acting to break up 'ethnic' white neighborhoods before WW2. The 1960s was the end game.

    Jews did not start either of those things that became horrors for white America. Elite WASPs did. Jews simply managed to benefit the most from the Elite WASP hatreds of Catholics and white Southerners.
    , @Ron Unz

    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed....I was in college at the time.
     
    Well, while you were in college at the time, I was still in diapers, and therefore not following the issue too closely. And later on, the MSM coverage easily persuaded me that only total nuts believed in any sort of "JFK conspiracy," hence during nearly my entire life I never paid the slightest attention to the issue, and was absolutely stunned when I finally looked into it a few years ago. Here's a closely-related comment of mine from a couple of years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/article/behind-the-great-western-firewall-is-the-ugly-truth/#comment-877035

    On the other hand, it really doesn't sound like you really paid any proper attention to the issue either. Lane's book certainly never denounced "the goyim" or America or said anything about Russia. In fact, I don't think he ever really suggested *who* killed JFK---certainly not the KKK!---his entire focus was simply arguing that the Warren Commission findings were incorrect and that there seemed to be a cover-up.

    As for your own theories, I can't really say about Israel or LBJ, but the notion that "the liberals" killed JFK because he wanted to do something about black crime in DC is just nuts. And the notion that Russia and Castro got together to kill JFK over Cuba is as totally insane as believing that the KKK killed him.

    Frankly, those are just the sort of utterly nutty views that I always vaguely assumed were driving "the JFK Conspiracy people," which is why for about fifty years I never paid the slightest attention to them. Endlessly ranting and raving about "Communists" doesn't help your credibility.

    Anyway, I'm busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn't have gotten into this exchange.
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  50. Jake says:
    @Alden
    I've read Rush to Judgement Mark Lane was a hard left, pro communist, pro Cold War Soviet Union Jew.
    His book was designed to convince the useful idiots that Oswald the proud communist defector to Russia didn't kill Kennedy

    According to Lane, the FBI, CIA, ATF, secret service, Dallas police, Local sheriff and even the mayor of Dallas set Oswald up as a fall guy.

    Kennedy had only one year before re election. He barely won the 1960 election. There's plenty of evidence that he won the Illinois electoral votes because of massive fraud in Chicago. The economy was great because of the post WW2 boom.
    BUT Kennedy was terrible in foreign affairs. He was supposed to be a great cold warrior but he lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. The worst blow was Kruschev's building the Berlin Wall. He built it after his Vienna face to face meeting with Kennedy. Kennedy was severely physically handicapped and needed a lot of pain killers at all times
    Kruschev considered Kennedy a drug addicted invalid who would be easy to push around.

    I have always felt that if all those government agencies wanted to get rid of Kennedy all they had to do is wait 6 or 7 months and throw themselves behind another candidate.

    It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist.

    But Mark Lane was just another pro communist Jew who hated America and wrote that book because like many commie Jews of his generation, he was thrilled to function as an agent of influence against America and for Russia.

    Not for ‘Russia.’ For the USSR. The USSR-promoting Jews became Russia-hating NeoCons as well as Russia-hating Liberals, just as their forebears hated Russia.

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  51. Jake says:
    @Alden
    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed. Like so many, he was one of the pro commie east coast Jews that turned the country upside down between 1965 to the present time.

    And if the anti goyim, anti America, pro Stalin, NYT gave him a glowing obituary that just proves my opinion of him.

    I was in college at the time. Kennedy was shot about 10/30 California time. I had a noon PCT class with a very, very lefty professor. In fact he had taught at Columbia for a couple years and claimed he had been the victim of a McCarthy type witch hunt because he was suspected of communism. He was soooo proud of that.
    Personally I always thought he hired on at Stanford because he didn't want to raise his young kids on the edge of Harlem.
    But that very day he was yammering Lane's ideas that Oswald didn't do it, it was the KKK and the FBI and the oil companies.

    Within a week all the lefty profs were spouting the same line, 2 years before Lane's book came out.

    Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that's who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president. Would Kennedy have acquiesced in the nurder of the sailors on the USS Liberty as Johnson did? I don't know

    Would the Israelis have dared to attack the USS Liberty had Kennedy been President ? I don't know.

    What I do know is that when Kennedy was killed the Israeli & liberal anti White puppet took over and the war on the White goyim began.

    DC has been one of the most black crime infested cities in the country for a long time Did you Know Kennedy had a quiet talk with the DC, Capitol, and park police and asked them to crack down hard on black criminals. Kennedy felt it was a bad image for the diplomat corps and foreign visitors to see and live in a black crime infested city

    Contrast that with Johnson. He and his liberals presided over a massive outbreak of black criminality due to the changes in the criminal justice system to favor black criminal's

    I was there and saw the reaction of the liberals. I've read most of the books. I like the spy story thriller genre anyway. That's what I consider most of those books to be, thrillers.

    I consider these to be the most sensible it wasn't Oswald theories.

    1 Cuba did it with the advise and consent of Russia because both countries were afraid Kennedy would kill Castro, invade Cuba and end their commie paradise in the Carribean

    2. Israel did it to get rid of the last US President to stand up to Israel and AIPAC.

    Except to save the life of their protégée Castro the Russians had no real motive.
    At the time of his death and for several years liberals claimed the KKK did it.

    Summation after having read most of the assassination books, they are thrillers and no one knows what really happened

    “Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that’s who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president.’

    LBJ did not create Affirmative Action and impose on the nation. Nixon did. But I agree that LBJ set it up. However, the British Empire was THE source, It was running a global precursor of Affirmative Action by the height of the Victorian Era. The sons of the Elites of various black and brown and non-Christians ruled by the British Empire were sent to England for Elite education that was denied to at least 95% of white British Isles natives.

    E. Michael Jones a book titled The Slaughter of Cities . Jones shows that the Yankee WASP Elites decided during WW1 to break up the Catholic ethnic neighborhoods in northeastern and midwestern cities because they feared the power that could come from proud culturally conservative whites who did not bow to WASP slogans and cliches. The Feds were acting to break up ‘ethnic’ white neighborhoods before WW2. The 1960s was the end game.

    Jews did not start either of those things that became horrors for white America. Elite WASPs did. Jews simply managed to benefit the most from the Elite WASP hatreds of Catholics and white Southerners.

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  52. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden
    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed. Like so many, he was one of the pro commie east coast Jews that turned the country upside down between 1965 to the present time.

    And if the anti goyim, anti America, pro Stalin, NYT gave him a glowing obituary that just proves my opinion of him.

    I was in college at the time. Kennedy was shot about 10/30 California time. I had a noon PCT class with a very, very lefty professor. In fact he had taught at Columbia for a couple years and claimed he had been the victim of a McCarthy type witch hunt because he was suspected of communism. He was soooo proud of that.
    Personally I always thought he hired on at Stanford because he didn't want to raise his young kids on the edge of Harlem.
    But that very day he was yammering Lane's ideas that Oswald didn't do it, it was the KKK and the FBI and the oil companies.

    Within a week all the lefty profs were spouting the same line, 2 years before Lane's book came out.

    Ever thought who benefitted by Kennedys death? White hating Jews and liberals benefitted that's who. Their puppet Johnson came in and soon we had affirmative action, White kids and teachers being physically and verbally abused by bussed in black savages, the destruction of our great cities, the criminal justice system overturned to favor black criminals, massive non White immigration everyone with affirmative action privilegeds and Johnson the wholly owned puppet of Israel as president. Would Kennedy have acquiesced in the nurder of the sailors on the USS Liberty as Johnson did? I don't know

    Would the Israelis have dared to attack the USS Liberty had Kennedy been President ? I don't know.

    What I do know is that when Kennedy was killed the Israeli & liberal anti White puppet took over and the war on the White goyim began.

    DC has been one of the most black crime infested cities in the country for a long time Did you Know Kennedy had a quiet talk with the DC, Capitol, and park police and asked them to crack down hard on black criminals. Kennedy felt it was a bad image for the diplomat corps and foreign visitors to see and live in a black crime infested city

    Contrast that with Johnson. He and his liberals presided over a massive outbreak of black criminality due to the changes in the criminal justice system to favor black criminal's

    I was there and saw the reaction of the liberals. I've read most of the books. I like the spy story thriller genre anyway. That's what I consider most of those books to be, thrillers.

    I consider these to be the most sensible it wasn't Oswald theories.

    1 Cuba did it with the advise and consent of Russia because both countries were afraid Kennedy would kill Castro, invade Cuba and end their commie paradise in the Carribean

    2. Israel did it to get rid of the last US President to stand up to Israel and AIPAC.

    Except to save the life of their protégée Castro the Russians had no real motive.
    At the time of his death and for several years liberals claimed the KKK did it.

    Summation after having read most of the assassination books, they are thrillers and no one knows what really happened

    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed….I was in college at the time.

    Well, while you were in college at the time, I was still in diapers, and therefore not following the issue too closely. And later on, the MSM coverage easily persuaded me that only total nuts believed in any sort of “JFK conspiracy,” hence during nearly my entire life I never paid the slightest attention to the issue, and was absolutely stunned when I finally looked into it a few years ago. Here’s a closely-related comment of mine from a couple of years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/article/behind-the-great-western-firewall-is-the-ugly-truth/#comment-877035

    On the other hand, it really doesn’t sound like you really paid any proper attention to the issue either. Lane’s book certainly never denounced “the goyim” or America or said anything about Russia. In fact, I don’t think he ever really suggested *who* killed JFK—certainly not the KKK!—his entire focus was simply arguing that the Warren Commission findings were incorrect and that there seemed to be a cover-up.

    As for your own theories, I can’t really say about Israel or LBJ, but the notion that “the liberals” killed JFK because he wanted to do something about black crime in DC is just nuts. And the notion that Russia and Castro got together to kill JFK over Cuba is as totally insane as believing that the KKK killed him.

    Frankly, those are just the sort of utterly nutty views that I always vaguely assumed were driving “the JFK Conspiracy people,” which is why for about fifty years I never paid the slightest attention to them. Endlessly ranting and raving about “Communists” doesn’t help your credibility.

    Anyway, I’m busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn’t have gotten into this exchange.

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    Anyway, I’m busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn’t have gotten into this exchange
     
    Oh baloney, feel free to chime in Ron.

    I was wondering about your software though, and have you ever considered developing some that could synthesize human conversation, like in Artificial Intelligence?

    I mean seems to me one thing that might work would be to quantify digitize, and work the software to make the connections that occur in real verbal intercourse, and then by first working it just very simply, later it could build in complexity, helped by something like this blogg magazine. The sheer receptiveness of some of the common themes offer up a degree of nuance that could be fed right into the AI at least at some point that it would be possible to launch it.

    That would be the thing to actually launch a believable bot that talks to the bloggers well enough that they buy into it… ! And they would keep on saying the most awful things thinking they were getting over when really, they weren't!

    So anyways, if you have time, maybe you might be as likely as anybody to get it up and running.

    I was in High School when JFK was shot. I remember it photographically when I got the word. President Kennedy spoke to us, we had accomplished a school sponsored 50 mile hike that JFK proposed for Americans youth. Part of his charisma was can do attitude and the Kennedy healthy vigorous physicality as well as a new positive role modal and the best looking wife in a long time, all part of Camelot.

    That was a wake up for a generation. That was a watershed.
    , @Durruti
    Thanks:

    Nicely explained.

    As I am also busy at the moment, (actually busy with my hardware work right now), you saved me having to reply -once more- to Mr. Alden.
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  53. edNels says:
    @Ron Unz

    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed....I was in college at the time.
     
    Well, while you were in college at the time, I was still in diapers, and therefore not following the issue too closely. And later on, the MSM coverage easily persuaded me that only total nuts believed in any sort of "JFK conspiracy," hence during nearly my entire life I never paid the slightest attention to the issue, and was absolutely stunned when I finally looked into it a few years ago. Here's a closely-related comment of mine from a couple of years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/article/behind-the-great-western-firewall-is-the-ugly-truth/#comment-877035

    On the other hand, it really doesn't sound like you really paid any proper attention to the issue either. Lane's book certainly never denounced "the goyim" or America or said anything about Russia. In fact, I don't think he ever really suggested *who* killed JFK---certainly not the KKK!---his entire focus was simply arguing that the Warren Commission findings were incorrect and that there seemed to be a cover-up.

    As for your own theories, I can't really say about Israel or LBJ, but the notion that "the liberals" killed JFK because he wanted to do something about black crime in DC is just nuts. And the notion that Russia and Castro got together to kill JFK over Cuba is as totally insane as believing that the KKK killed him.

    Frankly, those are just the sort of utterly nutty views that I always vaguely assumed were driving "the JFK Conspiracy people," which is why for about fifty years I never paid the slightest attention to them. Endlessly ranting and raving about "Communists" doesn't help your credibility.

    Anyway, I'm busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn't have gotten into this exchange.

    Anyway, I’m busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn’t have gotten into this exchange

    Oh baloney, feel free to chime in Ron.

    I was wondering about your software though, and have you ever considered developing some that could synthesize human conversation, like in Artificial Intelligence?

    I mean seems to me one thing that might work would be to quantify digitize, and work the software to make the connections that occur in real verbal intercourse, and then by first working it just very simply, later it could build in complexity, helped by something like this blogg magazine. The sheer receptiveness of some of the common themes offer up a degree of nuance that could be fed right into the AI at least at some point that it would be possible to launch it.

    That would be the thing to actually launch a believable bot that talks to the bloggers well enough that they buy into it… ! And they would keep on saying the most awful things thinking they were getting over when really, they weren’t!

    So anyways, if you have time, maybe you might be as likely as anybody to get it up and running.

    I was in High School when JFK was shot. I remember it photographically when I got the word. President Kennedy spoke to us, we had accomplished a school sponsored 50 mile hike that JFK proposed for Americans youth. Part of his charisma was can do attitude and the Kennedy healthy vigorous physicality as well as a new positive role modal and the best looking wife in a long time, all part of Camelot.

    That was a wake up for a generation. That was a watershed.

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  54. Ace says:

    Trump’s extremist policies on immigration. Like the notion that foreigners don’t have an absolute right to come here, demand medical care, get welfare, take our jobs, vote in our elections, and stay as long as they like.

    You just HAVE to hate someone like that.

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  55. Durruti says:
    @Ron Unz

    Lane wrote his book about 18 months after JFK was killed. How was it you never heard of him until recently? It was the standard anti goyim, anti America pro Soviet Russia screed....I was in college at the time.
     
    Well, while you were in college at the time, I was still in diapers, and therefore not following the issue too closely. And later on, the MSM coverage easily persuaded me that only total nuts believed in any sort of "JFK conspiracy," hence during nearly my entire life I never paid the slightest attention to the issue, and was absolutely stunned when I finally looked into it a few years ago. Here's a closely-related comment of mine from a couple of years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/article/behind-the-great-western-firewall-is-the-ugly-truth/#comment-877035

    On the other hand, it really doesn't sound like you really paid any proper attention to the issue either. Lane's book certainly never denounced "the goyim" or America or said anything about Russia. In fact, I don't think he ever really suggested *who* killed JFK---certainly not the KKK!---his entire focus was simply arguing that the Warren Commission findings were incorrect and that there seemed to be a cover-up.

    As for your own theories, I can't really say about Israel or LBJ, but the notion that "the liberals" killed JFK because he wanted to do something about black crime in DC is just nuts. And the notion that Russia and Castro got together to kill JFK over Cuba is as totally insane as believing that the KKK killed him.

    Frankly, those are just the sort of utterly nutty views that I always vaguely assumed were driving "the JFK Conspiracy people," which is why for about fifty years I never paid the slightest attention to them. Endlessly ranting and raving about "Communists" doesn't help your credibility.

    Anyway, I'm busy with my software work right now and probably shouldn't have gotten into this exchange.

    Thanks:

    Nicely explained.

    As I am also busy at the moment, (actually busy with my hardware work right now), you saved me having to reply -once more- to Mr. Alden.

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  56. bluedog says:
    @Durruti
    Alden:

    I helped Lane move into the 5th Ave. office - he set up to pursue the truth about the most important assassination in our lifetime.

    Lane served in the US Army. He represented, as an attorney, individuals of varying political viewpoints (right to left). He was a strong supporter of the American Constitution.

    A decent summary of his life may be found here.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif5oSDmKfSAhVHSSYKHR1fAZAQFggaMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMark_Lane_(author)&usg=AFQjCNHUYVJp4bjXPSRTyRR7KsYynrTo-w&sig2=8A4m4fg35kQdn575uu6-0w

    You get closest to the truth here:

    "It may be true that the Israelis killed him because he wanted them to close down their nuclear facilities and register AIPAC as a foreign lobbyist."

    Mark Lane was a decent and Patriotic American who was unafraid to approach controversial topics. He specially was unafraid to oppose the Government when he felt that matters of Constitutional Liberty were involved. Lane was both physically and morally brave. Yes, he resisted the global power that, even in 2017, makes most politicians wet their pants.

    About Oswald:

    Oswald was not a "communist defector," (although from your point of view, that should be a plus). Oswald was an employed CIA agent, who was used as a "fall guy," (Oswald's own words), by the very agency he served.

    I never did ask Lane his religion.

    God Bless our Republic! Which we will eventually restore.

    And another fine book is “JFK And The Unspeakable” why he died and why it matters by James W. Douglass which bring forth much more information as just who was behind the murder of JFK, including the J.C.’S his Secret Service F.B.I. and C.I.A. I would recommend that anyone who was/is interested in the coup of our government should read it…

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  57. Durruti says:

    bluedog:

    Thanks,

    Everything changed (for the worst), after November 22, 1963. Our Republic was overthrown, followed by half the governments on the planet. The pattern of overthrow is repeated -over and over- again. And the pattern of rule was explained by Orwell, and clarified by Koestler (my favorite of his books, Scum of the Earth – that’s us).

    Tolkien has Saruman ask, “Who do you serve?”

    We are honor bound -beyond reading, to Resist.

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  58. “Dismantle the environment”

    So we DO live in a simulation?

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    At least ''simulation'' is an apt metaphor. To the extent that ''we'' are inundated with... false cues, or now a crass notion of ''Fake'' news/reported reality.

    But there is plenty of simulation stimulation occurring in the environment. That's good for advertising; good for ''GM'' integral to the... matrix/________/environs.

    “Dismantle the environment”
     
    No, dream through it.
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  59. edNels says:
    @Inque Yutani
    "Dismantle the environment"

    So we DO live in a simulation?

    At least ”simulation” is an apt metaphor. To the extent that ”we” are inundated with… false cues, or now a crass notion of ”Fake” news/reported reality.

    But there is plenty of simulation stimulation occurring in the environment. That’s good for advertising; good for ”GM” integral to the… matrix/________/environs.

    “Dismantle the environment”

    No, dream through it.

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  60. Mike Whitney your analysis is shallow.

    But then all analysis by commentators is shallow on this subject.

    What is not understood is the social revolution of the 60′s is practically the only thing that Lefties seek to preserve, primarily because they are philosophically atheists.

    You’re right Mike, they don’t care about immigrants. They don’t care about the working class, other countries, foreign policy, trade or finance either.

    Leftwing power, informational power and influence, not raw votes, is built on a number of pillars, based on the notion of identities, feminists, homosexuals, permissive men and various racial identities.

    The welfare state and mass immigration support these changes.

    Without the welfare state necessary institutions like single motherhood, abortion, homosexuality, the whole destructive smear of decadence would not survive. Decadence means mass expenditure by the state to ameliorate all the damage.

    Without the immigration there would be no social changes, women would once more have to have babies and families would have to be supported.

    The left understands all this. The proof is the absolute silence on any of these issues in media discussion.

    Any discussion on these subjects sends them into apoplectic rage.

    They fear trump, by attacking immigration discussion will be raised on the subject of demography ie. where at the new babies to come from.

    This is ultimately why they despise and fear trump.

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