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The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim’s unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment who will do everything they can to scuttle the agreement. We’ve already seen an example of this just this week when US nuclear bombers were included in the US-Korea joint military drills that are currently underway in the south. The B-52′s were clearly added to the massive “Max Thunder” exercises to provoke the DPRK leadership, increase tensions, and convince Kim that it was pointless to trust Washington. The move was bitterly criticized in North Korea’s state media which summed up the situation like this:

“At a time when the DPRK-U.S. summit is approaching, the U.S. has launched the largest ever drill involving B-52 strategic nuclear bomber, F-22 Raptor stealth fighters and other nuclear strategic assets. This is an extremely provocative and ill-boding act going against the trend for peace and security on the Korean peninsula ….The extremely adventurous 2018 Max Thunder joint air combat exercises are aimed at precision strike on key strategic objects of the DPRK and the seizure of the air control together with the U.S….”

The North’s assessment is entirely correct. The drills are a simulation of a preemptive attack on North Korea that would annihilate the military, level Pyongyang and “decapitate” the leadership. They are a deliberate provocation designed to poison the atmosphere prior to the June 12 summit in Singapore. They’re also a clear violation of the Panmunjom Declaration which affirms the mutual commitment of the North and South “to completely cease all hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of military tension and conflict.” (Panmunjom Declaration)

What we’d like to know is whether Trump was consulted about the drills? Did he give the go-ahead? Was it his decision to tweak Kim’s nose after Kim had just made a number of conciliatory gestures including the total banning of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles tests, the returning of three US prisoners to US custody, and meeting with leaders in the south in order to end hostilities and normalize relations? Is Trump responsible for this diplomatic disaster?

Of course not. Trump’s objectives are completely clear. He wants to win the Nobel Prize and he wants to be recognized as a foreign policy genius, both of which are within his grasp if he persuades Kim to ditch his nukes. Trump does not want to provoke Kim who, so far, has acted in good faith. He wants to cut a deal with him. The exercises represent the interests of some other constituency, some deeper faction within the national security state who have a stake in the outcome of future negotiations. They want the talks to fail so they can preserve the status quo. They want a divided Korea that “languishes in a permanent state of colonial dependency”. That works just fine for them, which is why the military drills were not postponed or cancelled. It’s also why John Bolton has been making incendiary comments about the “Libya model”, and why the media has been fueling public pessimism while misrepresenting US position. According to many media reports, the North will be expected to ‘totally decommission its nuclear weapons, missiles and biochemical weapons’ without any immediate compensation.

That’s not the deal. That’s never been the deal. No one on the North Korean side ever said that Washington was going to get something for nothing. And it’s not going to happen either. Kim is looking for a tradeoff, a decommissioning of his nuclear weapons in exchange for basic security guarantees. That’s the deal.

So who’s spreading all these false rumors and what is their objective? Here’s more from North Korea’s state media:

“The U.S. is miscalculating the magnanimity of the DPRK as signs of weakness and trying to embellish and advertise as if these are the product of its sanctions and pressure.

The U.S. is trumpeting as if it would offer economic compensation and benefit in case we abandon nukes. But we have never had any expectation of U.S. support in carrying out our economic construction and will not make such a deal in future….

If the Trump administration takes an approach to the DPRK-U.S. summit with sincerity for improved DPRK-U.S. relations, it will receive a deserved response from us. However, if the U.S. is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the DPRK-U.S. summit.” (End of statement)

The North doesn’t want Washington’s money or its economic inducements. The North wants assurances that the US will not attack it in the future. That’s it. That’s what Kim wants. He wants an end to the hostilities so he can move ahead with a regional economic-integration plan that will draw the two Koreas closer together, end the North’s isolation, strengthen the North’s economy, and pave the way for prosperity. In other words, Kim is offering to give up his nuclear weapons to (essentially) get Washington off its back and out of its hair.

None of this has anything to do with Trump’s absurd “maximum pressure” campaign, which had no impact on Kim’s decision at all. The North is not motivated by Trump’s hysterical threats of “total destruction”, but by a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to emerge from its long-term seclusion and become an active participant in an ambitious economic integration plan that will link North and South Korea to the rest of Asia via massive infrastructure and energy projects. The only catch to this proposal, is that the DPRK must abandon its nuclear weapons program and agree to resolve its issues with Seoul. In other words, Kim’s eagerness to denuclearize is not an attempt to placate Washington, but an effort to meet the minimal requirements of his economic partners in Beijing, Moscow and Seoul.

The United States is not central to the critical economic-political developments on the peninsula, in fact, the region is making a concerted effort to sever its ties with Washington by creating a giant free trade zone that will connect the region through ” large trilateral infrastructural and energy projects,” to Japan, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and Europe. Check this out from the Kremlin website:

“The Korean Government has recently created the Northern Economic Cooperation Committee… This has completed the creation of a management system that will make Korea the leader in the development of the Far East. The Committee is tasked with strengthening economic cooperation with Northeast Asian and Eurasian countries. In the future, cooperation between the Committee and Russia’s Far Eastern Federal District and the Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East will play a key role in the development of the Far East.

Next year, we will create a Korean-Russian Regional Cooperation Forum. It should bolster contacts between regional governments in Korea and the Russian Far East. Cooperation channels between regional economic communities and small and medium-sized businesses will greatly expand contacts between people and promote practical cooperation…..

The North Korean nuclear and missile ambitions are the biggest threat to the development of the huge potential of the Korean Peninsula and the Russian Far East. This is why we have come to the conclusion that this problem must be settled as soon as possible.” (Kremlin website)

See what’s going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?

The integration plan is not some pie-in-the-sky apparition, but a broad and detailed economic blueprint for regional development; power plants, highways, high-speed rail, and pipeline corridors. It’s the whole nine yards. Here’s more from The South China Morning Post:

“President Moon Jae-in gave the North’s leader Kim Jong-un a USB drive containing a “New Economic Map of the Korean Peninsula” at the fortified border village of Panmunjom on April 27. The initiative included three economic belts – one connecting the west coast of the peninsula to China, making the region a centre of logistics; one connecting the east coast to Russia for energy cooperation and one on the current border to promote tourism.

“The new economic map includes railway links between the two Koreas and China’s northeast stretching all the way to Europe….”

“The plan would have a huge impact on China’s northeastern region as it would transform the region as a centre of logistics in East Asia, which could function as a driving force for the rapid economic growth of the region….A railway connection would bring a myriad of investments from overseas and would help the economy take off.”

Yet observers added that the initiatives were dependent on Kim accepting Seoul’s definition of denuclearisation – namely the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantling of the North’s nuclear programme.” (The South China Morning Post)

Kim must denuclearize in order to take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity, which is why he is eager to make hefty concessions to Trump while getting very little in return. Think about it: Trump gets the nukes and the Nobel Prize while Kim gets a lousy piece of paper with Washington’s guarantees for security. That’s a great deal for Trump but not a very good deal for Kim. Even so, Kim is prepared to cooperate in order to meet his obligations and move forward with an economic plan that will strengthen his economy and improve the lives of his people. He’s making the right choice.

Some of Trump’s deep state opponents probably think that they can derail Kim’s plans by sabotaging the June 12th Summit. But that’s not entirely true. Kim does not need to reach an agreement with Trump, he merely has to convince his main trading partner, Beijing, that he’s made a sincere effort that was rejected by an unreasonable and tyrannical Washington. If Kim proves that he’s willing to go the extra mile for peace– by offering to decommission his nuclear arsenal– then Beijing is going to reward his behavior by easing the sanctions and restoring the DPRK’s economic lifeline. Bottom line: Kim is going to win one way or another.

In my opinion, the cat-n-mouse game Kim is playing with Trump is a bit of a ruse because, in truth, Kim is going to have to give up his nukes whether he makes a deal with Trump or not. As we said earlier, Moscow, Beijing and Seoul have all made denuclearization a basic requirement for participation in their economic integration plan, so it’s a done deal. Kim is going to have to abandon his nuclear weapons. The fact is, Russia and China don’t want the smaller, surrounding nations to have nukes any more than the US wants Mexico, Canada or Cuba to have them. It dramatically impacts regional security.

Finally, it wouldn’t surprise me if Washington’s deep state powerbrokers are more concerned about the proposed regional free trade zone, then they are about the North’s nuclear weapons. In order for the US to be a major player in the most populous and prosperous region in the world, it must implement its “pivot to Asia” strategy that controls China’s explosive growth and prevents the emergence of an economic or military rival. The so called “Putin Plan” for vast economic integration is a direct threat to Washington’s dream of maintaining its dominant position in the global economy. If successfully implemented, the Putin Plan will greatly accelerate the pace of imperial decline.

So far, I don’t see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat.

 
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  1. North Korea has been trying to cut a peace deal for decades, but our Deep State blocks all such efforts. I documented the wasteful and aggressive efforts of US Army generals to thwart peace in a series of articles. This was the latest:

    http://www.g2mil.com/casey.htm

    Taxpayers are shocked to read what’s been going on this past decade to stop peace and profit from warmongering!

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    • Replies: @renfro
    Very informative...and disgusting.
    Thanks.
    , @Per/Norway
    informative, thnx:)
    , @snakeoil
    you can add this to your collection of Pharaoh and their corporations use of the governments of the world to make profit

    http://www.pogo.org/blog/2018/05/paper-cuts-cashing-in-on-connections.html
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  2. The MIC will be under tremendous amount of pressure from the American people if it didn’t create phony and perceived enemies by propaganda! The MIC knows that if it didn’t do that the military budget will erode over time meaning less money in the MIC pockets!

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  3. renfro says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    North Korea has been trying to cut a peace deal for decades, but our Deep State blocks all such efforts. I documented the wasteful and aggressive efforts of US Army generals to thwart peace in a series of articles. This was the latest:

    http://www.g2mil.com/casey.htm

    Taxpayers are shocked to read what's been going on this past decade to stop peace and profit from warmongering!

    Very informative…and disgusting.
    Thanks.

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  4. MEFOBILLS says:

    So far, I don’t see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat.

    America pivots away from Atlantacist doctrine.

    America turns away from finance capitalism (state sponsored usury) and resurrects the “American System” of Peshine Smith and Henry Clay. The American System is internal growth using Industrial Capitalism, where Treasury Money (not corporate bank credit) channels into the commons and industry.

    In other words, America resurrects Constitutional Money and Industry. This type of economy was at the birth of the U.S., especially in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania colonies.

    America can make all it needs internally, it doesn’t need Atlantacist “ship-borne” movement of minerals and goods. America is a continental country like Russia with everything it needs.

    Island countries like U.K. need “Atlantacist” doctrine to control the world. BIZWOG (Britain and Israel World Government) is the core of Atlantacism, not the U.S.

    Oligarchs in America who benefit from the Atlantacist system will have to be ejected by force. A good parasite makes its host think said parasite is beneficial.

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig, ohmy
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    How to get the banksters out of their position. It seems they have printed enough cash to buy everyone. Top to bottom.
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  5. I suppose Kim understand quite well that giving away his atomic bombs and missiles is the beginning of his end like Saddam and Ghadaffi.
    In the good old days deposed dictators went to their south of France mansions and died in their beds.
    The USA changed this custom.
    This change does have repercussions.
    A USA at crossroads, dominating the world or not, causes much uncertainty in the world.

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  6. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they’d have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    Bolton’s comments about “Libya” were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N. Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say “we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations.” That’s what they are hoping for.

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    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they’d have an excuse to fire back and invade.
     
    True, and there is a pattern.

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

     

    Nowadays we can add Saddam, Qadaffi, Kim, Putin, and others to the list.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken.
     
    Really? But didn't the Norks proliferate back in the mid-1990s, years before Khaddaffi cut his disarmament deal with Washington?
    , @republic
    Bolton’s remarks sound like an updated version of the Melian dialogue
    When Athens gave Melos an ultimatum during the Peloponnesian War.
    , @Art
    Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say “we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations.” That’s what they are hoping for.

    Sorry but the Jew's trash talking days are over. There is NO there there!

    The Jew is losing his power. Truth is starting to gain strength. The world’s attitude is turning away from Jew coercion, through their control of the US government.

    Jew power is a function of US government power. And US power is losing out, all around the world.

    Trump’s overbearing, tuff talking sing-song, is losing its steam. Bolton’s big mouth has complicated the NKorea nuke deal. He illustrates to the world, the dishonesty of the US foreign policy under Jew control.

    The Israeli embassy deal was a total embarrassment. Innocent blood was flowing as Jarrad and Ivanka were speaking their hollow words. Gaza innocence won the day.

    Europe is fighting to preserve the Iran nuke deal. They are passing laws to protect their businesses from US sanctions. China and Russia are stepping up with deals to counter Trump’s Jew favoring sanctions.

    Jew led America is getting no respect.

    Think Peace --- Do No Harm --- Maintain Hope --- Art
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  7. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting.

    I think the author might be saying that Kim might cut out Trump from all de-nuke talks and instead go around him.

    In this case, Kim would ignore Trump and the US altogether and turn his nukes over to China. China and Russia would give security guarantees to N Korea which is worth a million times more than a US guarantee and China and Russia have a clear incentive to back it up.

    Meanwhile the US and especially Trump would look bad. Trump would be viewed as having a Nobel prize within his grasp but bungling it at the goal line while letting China and Russia steal his thunder.

    The US, if they tried any funny business, would look really bad. What could they do amyway?

    Ironically, it could actually be Kim that gets the Nobel prize instead. Lol if it goes down that way.

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    This would work if the Russians and Chinese made their security guarantees visible by putting some token ground forces in the DMZ.
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  8. Great article.
    As per usual, msm misrepresents reality of Nth Korea’s reaction to military drills: no mention of the added full compliment of strategic air force. Failure to properly explain the meaning of “Libyia solution”. No wonder the Nth questions the competence & good faith of the Sth.
    I believe its time for China-Russia etc to come out of the shadows: how can the Nth agree to discarding its nuclear shield without security guarantees from its friends ? That the US can’t be trusted with its enemies — OR its friends is obvious to all but the self-interested & the fanatic.

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  9. Here, no doubt is the problem as the rulers of the USA see it.

    [Kim] wants an end to the hostilities so he can move ahead with a regional economic-integration plan that will draw the two Koreas closer together, end the North’s isolation, strengthen the North’s economy, and pave the way for prosperity.

    None of that must be allowed to happen unless it’s under the authority of our jealous commercial and political G-ds. It’s essentially the big reason for all US involvement in foreign wars since 1898 if not earlier. Probably the big reason for the Lincoln’s War of Northern Bankers Against Southern Planters as well.

    What was needed to make the world safe for peace, [the old liberals] argued, was to implement economic freedom, free trade and goodwill among the nations, and popular government. I want to stress the importance of both of these requirements: free trade at home and in international relations, and democracy. The fateful error of our age has consisted in the fact that it dropped the first of these requirements, namely free trade, and emphasized only the second one, political democracy. In doing so, people ignored the fact that democracy cannot be permanently maintained when free enterprise, free trade, and economic freedom do not exist.

    -Ludwig von Mises, Economic Causes of War

    https://www.mises.org/profile/ludwig-von-mises

    I would also add that people ignored the fact that peace cannot be permanently maintained when free enterprise, free trade, and economic freedom do not exist and I believe that’s the point Mises was making. Neither can peace be maintained when we allow ignorant crackpots to pilot the ship, and that’s what “we’ve” been doing since the institution of the so called “democratic republic.”

    Also, I’m not a huge fan of democracy, especially for a large state, and there should be no large states especially world government. All states claim a monopoly on force and all inevitably lead to political and economic slavery. They are not compatible with either freedom or peace.

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  10. Oops, I should have read further before posting my comment, above.

    Mike already made the point and is spot on, here…

    He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?

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  11. @Anon
    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    Bolton's comments about "Libya" were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N. Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations." That's what they are hoping for.

    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they’d have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    True, and there is a pattern.

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    Nowadays we can add Saddam, Qadaffi, Kim, Putin, and others to the list.

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  12. Renoman says:

    America is simply evil. Evil evil evil.

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  13. “So far, I don’t see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat.”

    Sure they do: They plan to act like the proverbial chess-playing pigeon, wings-a-flapping, knocking down all the pieces, and shitting all over the board.

    They will keep emphasizing the grave threat the Norks pose to the American people, they will ratchet up sanctions on the nations that “prop up” the Nork regime by trade (though they will continue to be lenient to South Korea as long as it buys US arms), they will start locking those other nations out of SWIFT, etc., and ultimately they will strike to decapitate the Norks, even if they have to go it alone. They are banking on the belief that the Chinese and South Koreans will stand down in the face of all of our awesomeness.

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  14. It’s not the Libya Plan, it’s the Chile Plan. Trump promises Kim he can be Dictator for Life, like Putin and Trump if he has his druthers and Xi too, if he promises to drop his Nuke Program.

    This is where the world is headed. The Post Carbon World is to be divvied up into Fiefdoms run by Oligarch Tyrants and they all belong to the Consortium known as The Worldwide Oligarch Network. A Confederacy of Oligarchic Fiefdoms.

    In otherwords, a giant Global Plantation of sorts.

    Here’s yah julip, Massa Hawkins, all minty & frosty, jus like you like it!!

    Get accustomed to saying that or something akin to it because it’s coming to a theater near you in the not-too-distant future.

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  15. See what’s going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?

    Stop with this nonsense. Yes, you’re correct, Kim doesn’t want that prosperity siphoned off by Western Corporations. Why? Because he and his cronies will be doing the siphoning, thank you very much. Let’s not paint this tyrant as a Goody Two Shoes, because he’s not.

    Fyi, my criticism of Kim doesn’t mean I agree with threatening North Korea or that I agree with how the Western Foreign Policy Establishment has treated North Korea historically. What it means is, there are no Good Guys in this equation. They’re ALL Bad Guys.

    Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy

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    So what. Better his countrymen profit than the guy holding a gun to your head.

    Name me a country that doesn't practice cronyism. You cant. So your objection is a moot point.
    , @jacques sheete

    They’re ALL Bad Guys.
     
    Yup.

    Ol' Ben commented to the effect that scum floats to the top in politics and bad government. He should have added that "bad government" is a redundancy, since all of them are all bad too.
    , @ANON
    Your link served to introduce me to A.K. Dewdney who seems to be a very interesting example of a high IQ educated - and in his case , at least when younger, productive - nutter. And 9/11 conspiracy theorist, apparently prompted by a half baked experiment he did with mobile phones on a small plane in provincial Canada.

    You suggest for some reason that his Wikipedia entry was some sort of phony attack by enemies or detractors but I note that the current version does not, any more than you do, mention that Dewdney is a Muslim convert. Apparently before 9/11. Now that really is weird to anyone not as willing to accept godbothering as normal as the average American was only 20 years ago.

    I note as of further interest that you think well of Revusky and his style and works. Oh dear.

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  16. Sean says:

    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/Trump-backs-off-China-tariff-threat-as-China-pumps-money-into-a-Trump-family-project_168320640

    The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim’s unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment of China who will use Trump’s desire for a foriegn policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West .

    Kim put Trump in the land of the promised, then went back on his word to get Trump to concede on trade, and of course Trump is doing just that. The deep state will sell out the long term interests of their country in the name of security consideration. Politicians want to get that foreign policy coup, which the North Koreans are perennially dangling. They Koreans will never give up the nukes that China effectively gave them unless the Chinese order them to, and that will only happen isTrump completely sells out the US on trade. The US would not dare attack North Korea and risk Chinese military intervention AGAIN. China is holding all the cards unless Trump just refuses to play diplomatic dupe to decepticon Korea (north and south for South Korea also wants access to the Western market) . Korean diplomacy basically consists of giving America false hope. The best thing is would be to leave North Koreato stew in their own juice, and impose tariffs on China, Japan and South Korea too. They are all aggressor states.

    How courteous is the Japanese;
    He always says, “Excuse it, please.”
    He climbs into his neighbor’s garden,
    And smiles, and says, “I beg your pardon”;
    He bows and grins a friendly grin,
    And calls his hungry family in;
    He grins, and bows a friendly bow;
    “So sorry, this my garden now.”

    Ogden Nash,The Japanese (1938)

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    China who will use Trump’s desire for a foreign policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West.
     
    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy. China isn't "deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West" - the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn't really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan is humming along just fine. Within Europe for example the common currency has done much more damage in this regard than the Chinese.

    It is clear that China doesn't see trade with the U.S. as the foundation of future prosperity, but instead focuses on trade with everyone else, particularly in Eurasia and Africa; kind of like a reverse Monroe doctrine. As part of that strategy, they want to push the U.S. out of Korea, and they are probably quite prepared to cut their losses if the Americans choose to respond by severing financial and trade relations. It is very clear that the U.S. are unable and unwilling to engage in honest dealings with anyone anyway.
    , @jack daniels
    In general the bad guys are telling Trump to bargain away the MAGA agenda in return for traditional Republican goals, e.g. tax cuts for the rich and anything that is good for Israel, such as an NK that can't sell WMD to Iran. Since Trump is all too willing to go along. The RINOs and the Big Donors always win because money talks louder than votes, or that's the way professional politicians insist on looking at it.
    , @Anonymous
    North Korea's demands are pretty clear: a formal end to the Korean War and a peace treaty with the US, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula.

    These demands are supported by China and many South Koreans. They're opposed by Japan and some South Korean conservatives. I don't think your notion that China, North Korea, South Korea, and Japan are all aligned on the North Korea issue is true.

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea's demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.

    So why doesn't the US make a deal that agrees to NK's demands, satisfies most of the parties involved and many Trump supporters and Americans? Clearly Trump, being an astute negotiator and businessman with an instinct for what people like and is popular, is inclined towards such a deal. Obviously what's holding the US back from such a deal are American foreign policy hawks and the deep state, who want to maintain the US military presence globally.
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  17. Trump is a puppet of the Zionists who are the controllers of every facet of the U.S. gov and these warmongers want the America people kept in a world of continual hysteria and war to further the Zionist goal of a NWO.

    The zionist warmongers created the wars in the mideast by Israels attack on 911 and blaming it on the muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq and thus started the bombing and invasion of these countries and then the zionists included Syria and followed their plan of regime change in 7 countries , all for the greater Israeli goal and their NWO goal.

    If anyone doubts that Israel and their zionist dual citizens control the U.S. gov , just remember they did 911 and got away with it.

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  18. Assuming all of this isn’t merely “drama queening” for the nobel prize gambit. And I have my suspicions that it is.

    An article that posits as major contention a Nobel peace prize for this president is not going to taken seriously by me.

    As for the joint exercises — and the President’s ignorance, that’s a very hard sell. No sale at all. At this juncture that President Moon Jae-in did not put a halt of a postponement on the matter leaves his decision making in doubt. Certainly there are those in S. Korea and the US who prefer to maintain the status quo. But neither President Trump nor President Moon get to cry foul play by their subordinates on this question.

    A nobel peace prize — good grief.

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  19. bob sykes says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting.

    I think the author might be saying that Kim might cut out Trump from all de-nuke talks and instead go around him.

    In this case, Kim would ignore Trump and the US altogether and turn his nukes over to China. China and Russia would give security guarantees to N Korea which is worth a million times more than a US guarantee and China and Russia have a clear incentive to back it up.

    Meanwhile the US and especially Trump would look bad. Trump would be viewed as having a Nobel prize within his grasp but bungling it at the goal line while letting China and Russia steal his thunder.

    The US, if they tried any funny business, would look really bad. What could they do amyway?

    Ironically, it could actually be Kim that gets the Nobel prize instead. Lol if it goes down that way.

    This would work if the Russians and Chinese made their security guarantees visible by putting some token ground forces in the DMZ.

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    This would work if the Russians and Chinese made their security guarantees visible by putting some token ground forces in the DMZ.
     
    The U.S. MIC would be in raptures if that happened. Overnight, the military budget would double again.
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  20. The US has shrifted North Korea before on the question of disarmament.

    This all smells like Kabuki theater of sorts. My subordinates made me do it in this case does not wok for me.— laugh. Given the lean on the use of force, I suspect that the admin wanted to make a show of force to the point and if I buy any this — it backfired.

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  21. Z-man says:

    Yeah the Deep State. Isn’t it ridiculous, even Trumps own advisers are sidetracking him. Trump and the Chinese president should make a grand bargain. Denuclearize Korea, help them unify make a 100 mile wide demilitarized zone against the Chinese border and reduce and keep US forces well south of the current DMZ or get them out completely. Let the Koreans, mostly the South pay, for the unification.

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  22. @Anon
    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    Bolton's comments about "Libya" were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N. Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations." That's what they are hoping for.

    N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken.

    Really? But didn’t the Norks proliferate back in the mid-1990s, years before Khaddaffi cut his disarmament deal with Washington?

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  23. Think about it: Trump gets the nukes and the Nobel Prize while Kim gets a lousy piece of paper with Washington’s guarantees for security. That’s a great deal for Trump but not a very good deal for Kim.

    I’m sure there’s something missing from your formula, Mike. In order for this deal to make sense from a N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or perhaps both. Washington’s promises aren’t worth jack. Go ask Iran. Hell, go ask Libya.

    Otherwise, spot on!

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    In order for this deal to make sense from a N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or perhaps both. Washington’s promises aren’t worth jack.
     
    Precisely, and they likely already have obtained those guarantees (whatever they may be worth). The North Koreans (in coordination with China and Russia) are trying to trade their nukes for a complete U.S. withdrawal from South Korea.
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  24. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Bolton is doing his job, being the neocon mouthpiece. His bosses figured out that in order for NK to denuke, the US might have to demilitarize in S.Korea altogether, while China will reap the benefit of modernizing NK. Neocons need to constraint China as much as possible. They do not accept a multi-polar world.

    Trump again shows himself as the weak minded fool controlled by neocons. He is blaming China for this fall out, instead of his own generals for staging the unnecessary military exercises and John Bolton for his maniacal zeal to create trouble the world over.

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  25. Mike P says:
    @Sean
    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/Trump-backs-off-China-tariff-threat-as-China-pumps-money-into-a-Trump-family-project_168320640


    The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim’s unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment of China who will use Trump's desire for a foriegn policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West .

    Kim put Trump in the land of the promised, then went back on his word to get Trump to concede on trade, and of course Trump is doing just that. The deep state will sell out the long term interests of their country in the name of security consideration. Politicians want to get that foreign policy coup, which the North Koreans are perennially dangling. They Koreans will never give up the nukes that China effectively gave them unless the Chinese order them to, and that will only happen isTrump completely sells out the US on trade. The US would not dare attack North Korea and risk Chinese military intervention AGAIN. China is holding all the cards unless Trump just refuses to play diplomatic dupe to decepticon Korea (north and south for South Korea also wants access to the Western market) . Korean diplomacy basically consists of giving America false hope. The best thing is would be to leave North Koreato stew in their own juice, and impose tariffs on China, Japan and South Korea too. They are all aggressor states.

    How courteous is the Japanese;
    He always says, “Excuse it, please.”
    He climbs into his neighbor’s garden,
    And smiles, and says, “I beg your pardon”;
    He bows and grins a friendly grin,
    And calls his hungry family in;
    He grins, and bows a friendly bow;
    “So sorry, this my garden now.”

    Ogden Nash,The Japanese (1938)
     

    China who will use Trump’s desire for a foreign policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West.

    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy. China isn’t “deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West” – the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn’t really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan is humming along just fine. Within Europe for example the common currency has done much more damage in this regard than the Chinese.

    It is clear that China doesn’t see trade with the U.S. as the foundation of future prosperity, but instead focuses on trade with everyone else, particularly in Eurasia and Africa; kind of like a reverse Monroe doctrine. As part of that strategy, they want to push the U.S. out of Korea, and they are probably quite prepared to cut their losses if the Americans choose to respond by severing financial and trade relations. It is very clear that the U.S. are unable and unwilling to engage in honest dealings with anyone anyway.

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    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy.
     
    North Korea has been using its on/off nuke program to trick the US into concessions for decades now. Trump is just the latest.

    https://moneyweek.com/kim-jong-un-north-korea-wavers-over-nuclear-talks/

    “Welcome, President Trump, to the infuriating, indecipherable game of North Korean nuclear diplomacy,” says CNN’s Stephen Collinson. An “unexpected series of threats” has “threatened to nix next month’s planned summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un”. Kim lashed out at US-South Korea military drills, cancelled a high-level meeting with South Korean officials, and warned that there was “little point” in the US summit if the White House was going to require its nuclear arsenal to be dismantled “up front”.
     

    Korean diplomacy is underrated As Mearshimer says, following the treaty of "Kang-wah (February 1876), which opened three Korean ports to Japan.... Neither Japan nor Russia was able to gain the upper hand in Korea, mainly because Korean policymakers skillfully played the two great powers off against each other ". Eventually the Russia-Japan war resulted and you could make an argument that WW1 (and even 2) stemmed from the Russian deterrent being removed from the international equation in 1905.

    China proved to the US it would not stand for North Korea being crushed, and the US would not dare test that again. In 2000, China openly threatened the US mainland with a nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan declaring independence.


    China isn’t “deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West” – the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn’t really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan
     
    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are happy to have the North Korean nuke menace ,


    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/north-korea-why-trump-should-kims-feet-to-the-fire/

    North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy. Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington’s style on international trade, for instance. And trade, of course, is absolutely central to the new administration’s program.

    It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.

    Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.,/b>
     

    The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West, but rather will wait out the era of Trump, whereupon the investing in China will resume apace. It won't be possible to slow the growth of China down and so America will be eclipsed. The military won't be much use then, because China will have bigger and better toys.
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  26. Mike P says:
    @bob sykes
    This would work if the Russians and Chinese made their security guarantees visible by putting some token ground forces in the DMZ.

    This would work if the Russians and Chinese made their security guarantees visible by putting some token ground forces in the DMZ.

    The U.S. MIC would be in raptures if that happened. Overnight, the military budget would double again.

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  27. Mike P says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Think about it: Trump gets the nukes and the Nobel Prize while Kim gets a lousy piece of paper with Washington’s guarantees for security. That’s a great deal for Trump but not a very good deal for Kim.
     
    I'm sure there's something missing from your formula, Mike. In order for this deal to make sense from a N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or perhaps both. Washington's promises aren't worth jack. Go ask Iran. Hell, go ask Libya.

    Otherwise, spot on!

    In order for this deal to make sense from a N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or perhaps both. Washington’s promises aren’t worth jack.

    Precisely, and they likely already have obtained those guarantees (whatever they may be worth). The North Koreans (in coordination with China and Russia) are trying to trade their nukes for a complete U.S. withdrawal from South Korea.

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  28. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    See what’s going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?
     
    Stop with this nonsense. Yes, you're correct, Kim doesn't want that prosperity siphoned off by Western Corporations. Why? Because he and his cronies will be doing the siphoning, thank you very much. Let's not paint this tyrant as a Goody Two Shoes, because he's not.

    Fyi, my criticism of Kim doesn't mean I agree with threatening North Korea or that I agree with how the Western Foreign Policy Establishment has treated North Korea historically. What it means is, there are no Good Guys in this equation. They're ALL Bad Guys.

    Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy

    So what. Better his countrymen profit than the guy holding a gun to your head.

    Name me a country that doesn’t practice cronyism. You cant. So your objection is a moot point.

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  29. c matt says:

    convince Kim that it was pointless to trust Washington.

    Because Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, and just about everything else the US has done was not enough. If anyone is stupid enough to trust Washington, they deserve what’s coming to them.

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  30. c matt says:

    basic security guarantees

    Hahahahahaha – used toilet paper would be more valuable than the paper any US “basic security guarantee” was written on.

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  31. anonymous[478] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s possible that Kim’s own military might force him to pull out of this de-nuke proposal. They’d be giving up their one major deterrent in return for promises of riches which may never be delivered. Their fears of being double-crossed are grounded in reality. Also, a Korea that’s unified may not be desired by other countries. It might become too much of a regional power and want to ease the US out. The calculation may be that it’s best to continue to see it divided and at loggerheads with each other. What’s good for the Koreans may not be considered good for other interested parties.

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  32. The biggest obstacle Trump will face is non-trustworthiness of the US. One agreement with the NK was already reached more than 10 years ago, and the US pulled out of it under Bush Jr. Now the US pulled out of the Iran deal. Basically, the US consistently demonstrates that it is useless to come to any agreements with it, as it cannot be trusted to abide by them. That’s yet another example that no enemy did as much damage to the US as its own governments (all of them).

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  33. @Cold N. Holefield

    See what’s going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?
     
    Stop with this nonsense. Yes, you're correct, Kim doesn't want that prosperity siphoned off by Western Corporations. Why? Because he and his cronies will be doing the siphoning, thank you very much. Let's not paint this tyrant as a Goody Two Shoes, because he's not.

    Fyi, my criticism of Kim doesn't mean I agree with threatening North Korea or that I agree with how the Western Foreign Policy Establishment has treated North Korea historically. What it means is, there are no Good Guys in this equation. They're ALL Bad Guys.

    Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy

    They’re ALL Bad Guys.

    Yup.

    Ol’ Ben commented to the effect that scum floats to the top in politics and bad government. He should have added that “bad government” is a redundancy, since all of them are all bad too.

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  34. The best guarantee of security, of course, is to have a nuclear deterrent. A US promise not to attack would be a poor substitute. America’s main concern is that NK not sell arms to Iran or Syria, thereby menacing Israel. If Kim formally agrees to that, maybe we can make a deal. It’s largely up to China, since we don’t want to fight them in order to get rid of Kim.

    Bolton’s role may well be to scare Kim. He’s pretty scary.

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  35. @Sean
    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/Trump-backs-off-China-tariff-threat-as-China-pumps-money-into-a-Trump-family-project_168320640


    The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim’s unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment of China who will use Trump's desire for a foriegn policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West .

    Kim put Trump in the land of the promised, then went back on his word to get Trump to concede on trade, and of course Trump is doing just that. The deep state will sell out the long term interests of their country in the name of security consideration. Politicians want to get that foreign policy coup, which the North Koreans are perennially dangling. They Koreans will never give up the nukes that China effectively gave them unless the Chinese order them to, and that will only happen isTrump completely sells out the US on trade. The US would not dare attack North Korea and risk Chinese military intervention AGAIN. China is holding all the cards unless Trump just refuses to play diplomatic dupe to decepticon Korea (north and south for South Korea also wants access to the Western market) . Korean diplomacy basically consists of giving America false hope. The best thing is would be to leave North Koreato stew in their own juice, and impose tariffs on China, Japan and South Korea too. They are all aggressor states.

    How courteous is the Japanese;
    He always says, “Excuse it, please.”
    He climbs into his neighbor’s garden,
    And smiles, and says, “I beg your pardon”;
    He bows and grins a friendly grin,
    And calls his hungry family in;
    He grins, and bows a friendly bow;
    “So sorry, this my garden now.”

    Ogden Nash,The Japanese (1938)
     

    In general the bad guys are telling Trump to bargain away the MAGA agenda in return for traditional Republican goals, e.g. tax cuts for the rich and anything that is good for Israel, such as an NK that can’t sell WMD to Iran. Since Trump is all too willing to go along. The RINOs and the Big Donors always win because money talks louder than votes, or that’s the way professional politicians insist on looking at it.

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    North Korea's sudden nuclear and ICBM twin leap is a function of how useful China finds it to have Trump asking them for help. North Korea does nothing on its own account.

    The smart money wants to be in China that is where the big returns are, so business is waiting out Trump. Subordinating the well being of the nation's population to profit is called economic rationality. The alternative is called fascism. Trump does not have the popular support to go against economic rationality.
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  37. mike k says:

    Beautifully done Mike W! Your writing is so clear and compact. The question remains as to how far the US will go to stop the peace and prosperity process from unfolding in Korea? Are the neocons crazy enough to attack N. Korea? We can only stay tuned………

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  38. Sean says:
    @Mike P

    China who will use Trump’s desire for a foreign policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West.
     
    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy. China isn't "deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West" - the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn't really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan is humming along just fine. Within Europe for example the common currency has done much more damage in this regard than the Chinese.

    It is clear that China doesn't see trade with the U.S. as the foundation of future prosperity, but instead focuses on trade with everyone else, particularly in Eurasia and Africa; kind of like a reverse Monroe doctrine. As part of that strategy, they want to push the U.S. out of Korea, and they are probably quite prepared to cut their losses if the Americans choose to respond by severing financial and trade relations. It is very clear that the U.S. are unable and unwilling to engage in honest dealings with anyone anyway.

    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy.

    North Korea has been using its on/off nuke program to trick the US into concessions for decades now. Trump is just the latest.

    https://moneyweek.com/kim-jong-un-north-korea-wavers-over-nuclear-talks/

    “Welcome, President Trump, to the infuriating, indecipherable game of North Korean nuclear diplomacy,” says CNN’s Stephen Collinson. An “unexpected series of threats” has “threatened to nix next month’s planned summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un”. Kim lashed out at US-South Korea military drills, cancelled a high-level meeting with South Korean officials, and warned that there was “little point” in the US summit if the White House was going to require its nuclear arsenal to be dismantled “up front”.

    Korean diplomacy is underrated As Mearshimer says, following the treaty of “Kang-wah (February 1876), which opened three Korean ports to Japan…. Neither Japan nor Russia was able to gain the upper hand in Korea, mainly because Korean policymakers skillfully played the two great powers off against each other “. Eventually the Russia-Japan war resulted and you could make an argument that WW1 (and even 2) stemmed from the Russian deterrent being removed from the international equation in 1905.

    China proved to the US it would not stand for North Korea being crushed, and the US would not dare test that again. In 2000, China openly threatened the US mainland with a nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan declaring independence.

    China isn’t “deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West” – the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn’t really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan

    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are happy to have the North Korean nuke menace ,

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/north-korea-why-trump-should-kims-feet-to-the-fire/

    North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy. Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington’s style on international trade, for instance. And trade, of course, is absolutely central to the new administration’s program.

    It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.

    Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.,/b>

    The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West, but rather will wait out the era of Trump, whereupon the investing in China will resume apace. It won’t be possible to slow the growth of China down and so America will be eclipsed. The military won’t be much use then, because China will have bigger and better toys.

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    Toys don’t win wars, people do. In Afghanistan, the US and NATO troops with all their fancy toys are scared to stick their noses out of the bases, whereas Taliban with medieval mindset and automatic rifles roam the country freely.
    , @Anonymous

    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
     
    How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non EU trade? You don't see many US, Japanese, or Chinese goods in Europe.
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  39. @Carlton Meyer
    North Korea has been trying to cut a peace deal for decades, but our Deep State blocks all such efforts. I documented the wasteful and aggressive efforts of US Army generals to thwart peace in a series of articles. This was the latest:

    http://www.g2mil.com/casey.htm

    Taxpayers are shocked to read what's been going on this past decade to stop peace and profit from warmongering!

    informative, thnx:)

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  40. Thee is a logical hole in the article that I was going to leave alone — but as yet no one else noted it, I will.

    The article pushes some press for a nobel peace prize *that really bugs me — I voted and have defended this president, even being called a moral reprobate and utterly unchristian in doing so.

    Despite the press for this so called prize. The author never states what the president contributed to the peace process the than the president’s contend of “massive pressure.” But in this the article athe cleanly indicates no such pressure had any effect. If the pressure failed, I am unclear why thee is any talk at all about nobel awards.

    This president has done one monumental shift in our North Korean policy — open and direct talks including both heads of state and staff. While long over due and laudable — one of the jobs of the white house is manage policy to our advantage that taps down on the use of force. It doesn’t take a genius IQ to figure out direct talks is a key step in that process. And as such requires no special recognition. I took a look at why President Roosevelt received a novel peace prize — and if that is the model neither Presidents on the this or the previous administration should be so honored.

    If they have removed the bombers, it’s a double fault. The response should have been.

    We conducted these exercises routinely as preparation for the unfortunate worst case scenario. And while we are disappointed our routine has been misinterpreted — It is our intention to proceed forward in peace negotiations.

    deception fo deception’s sake is a foul practice.

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  41. Sean says:
    @jack daniels
    In general the bad guys are telling Trump to bargain away the MAGA agenda in return for traditional Republican goals, e.g. tax cuts for the rich and anything that is good for Israel, such as an NK that can't sell WMD to Iran. Since Trump is all too willing to go along. The RINOs and the Big Donors always win because money talks louder than votes, or that's the way professional politicians insist on looking at it.

    North Korea’s sudden nuclear and ICBM twin leap is a function of how useful China finds it to have Trump asking them for help. North Korea does nothing on its own account.

    The smart money wants to be in China that is where the big returns are, so business is waiting out Trump. Subordinating the well being of the nation’s population to profit is called economic rationality. The alternative is called fascism. Trump does not have the popular support to go against economic rationality.

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  42. @Sean

    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy.
     
    North Korea has been using its on/off nuke program to trick the US into concessions for decades now. Trump is just the latest.

    https://moneyweek.com/kim-jong-un-north-korea-wavers-over-nuclear-talks/

    “Welcome, President Trump, to the infuriating, indecipherable game of North Korean nuclear diplomacy,” says CNN’s Stephen Collinson. An “unexpected series of threats” has “threatened to nix next month’s planned summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un”. Kim lashed out at US-South Korea military drills, cancelled a high-level meeting with South Korean officials, and warned that there was “little point” in the US summit if the White House was going to require its nuclear arsenal to be dismantled “up front”.
     

    Korean diplomacy is underrated As Mearshimer says, following the treaty of "Kang-wah (February 1876), which opened three Korean ports to Japan.... Neither Japan nor Russia was able to gain the upper hand in Korea, mainly because Korean policymakers skillfully played the two great powers off against each other ". Eventually the Russia-Japan war resulted and you could make an argument that WW1 (and even 2) stemmed from the Russian deterrent being removed from the international equation in 1905.

    China proved to the US it would not stand for North Korea being crushed, and the US would not dare test that again. In 2000, China openly threatened the US mainland with a nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan declaring independence.


    China isn’t “deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West” – the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn’t really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan
     
    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are happy to have the North Korean nuke menace ,


    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/north-korea-why-trump-should-kims-feet-to-the-fire/

    North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy. Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington’s style on international trade, for instance. And trade, of course, is absolutely central to the new administration’s program.

    It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.

    Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.,/b>
     

    The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West, but rather will wait out the era of Trump, whereupon the investing in China will resume apace. It won't be possible to slow the growth of China down and so America will be eclipsed. The military won't be much use then, because China will have bigger and better toys.

    Toys don’t win wars, people do. In Afghanistan, the US and NATO troops with all their fancy toys are scared to stick their noses out of the bases, whereas Taliban with medieval mindset and automatic rifles roam the country freely.

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    Cannon fodder wins wars. The first born tend to be cleverer and less likely to fight because they get and inherit the best of everything (including first place in the womb).. There are a lot of big families in Afghanistan. Many young men of the burgeoning population are second sons and are thus reckless. The Taliban roam and die freely, but there are a lot of them growing up and stepping into the place of the dead,.
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  43. Mike P says:

    China is deindustrialising the West … The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West

    So whose fault is it – China’s, or the Western capitalists? Pick one.

    Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialized itself by China. … The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    The EU common market as such wasn’t a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated. It was the Euro, which was foisted on Germany by the French as a price for their consent to German reunification, that caused the trade imbalances within Europe to explode.

    But with or without the Euro, Germany’s manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China’s labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan’s did. Just wait and see.

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    China’s, or the Western capitalists?
     
    Trump was elected to punish both, so a lot of Americans apparently blame both.

    The EU common market as such wasn’t a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated.
     
    At the cost of throwing people out a job, which only worked when people knew things would eventually get better. Things are not going to get better for the lower orders of West, they are good and getting better for the financial elite and China.

    But with or without the Euro, Germany’s manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China’s labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan’s did. Just wait and see.
     
    China is 10 times larger than Japan, hence the economies of scale are probably going to become more salient than labour costs (there is a new factory complex in China making laptops that has a bigger workforce than the British Army). German business are going to do well out of China's rise. American business have no objection to China making everything and America being supreme in financial services. Unfortunately the country would become weaker than China while a substantial part of the population became increasingly disgusted with their lot in life (in real terms worse of than their parents). The majority ethnic population and state institutions must object to a policy that creates ever increasing numbers of unemployed and ignores state power for the profit of a minority. Therefore the people (there a lot of them) and the deep state are diverging from the business community--increasingly seen as an fifth column with interest in destroying the country as a nation-state. But nation states are a thing with emergent properties not found in their parts. Hence untrammeled capitalism with money sloshing around the world wrecking states and the people who make up nations is a fundamentally unstable system that leads to ethnic nationalism and militarism. The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the business elite and try to wrest control from them.
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  44. republic says:
    @Anon
    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    Bolton's comments about "Libya" were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N. Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations." That's what they are hoping for.

    Bolton’s remarks sound like an updated version of the Melian dialogue
    When Athens gave Melos an ultimatum during the Peloponnesian War.

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  45. Sean says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Toys don’t win wars, people do. In Afghanistan, the US and NATO troops with all their fancy toys are scared to stick their noses out of the bases, whereas Taliban with medieval mindset and automatic rifles roam the country freely.

    Cannon fodder wins wars. The first born tend to be cleverer and less likely to fight because they get and inherit the best of everything (including first place in the womb).. There are a lot of big families in Afghanistan. Many young men of the burgeoning population are second sons and are thus reckless. The Taliban roam and die freely, but there are a lot of them growing up and stepping into the place of the dead,.

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  46. JVC says:

    the Trump/Kim meeting was not instituted by the USG. China, Russia, and SK have all been in negotiation with Kim, and they all realize that the USG word is essentially worthless. I suspect Kim has agreed with his neighbors to de-nuclearize in return for some robust security agreements along with the opening of trade in the region. The U.S. will need to think hard and long about doing anything to disrupt what is essentially a regional policy shift. I think Trump has been invited along on the ride just to stroke his and the USG’s sense of self importance. The world is changing, and the future lies in the east. Unfortunately, too many of those behind the curtain controlling USG foreign policy are too blinded by their arrogance and hubris to realize that, and instead of welcoming a peaceful multi-centered world, will continue on their chosen path of aggression, demands and sanctions until we become the isolated one.

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    Since President Moon Jae-in has been working in this matte with North Korea for more than twenty yeas, I find it hard to believe he intends to allow an opportunity to slip by based on training routine exercises.
    , @AnonFromTN
    The world does not revolve around the US any more. The US elites still did not realize that – they degenerated too much after 1991. However, some of the US vassals are even more deluded than the US elites. Grown up Europeans (like Germany, France, and even the UK) are learning, judging by their refusal to follow the US lead on the Iranian deal, which is totally illegal from the point of view of the international law (when there was one, before it was repeatedly trampled by the US). But the pathetic inconsequential poodles, like Poland, Ukraine, and Baltic vaudeville states, refuse to learn. More fools them.
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  47. @JVC
    the Trump/Kim meeting was not instituted by the USG. China, Russia, and SK have all been in negotiation with Kim, and they all realize that the USG word is essentially worthless. I suspect Kim has agreed with his neighbors to de-nuclearize in return for some robust security agreements along with the opening of trade in the region. The U.S. will need to think hard and long about doing anything to disrupt what is essentially a regional policy shift. I think Trump has been invited along on the ride just to stroke his and the USG's sense of self importance. The world is changing, and the future lies in the east. Unfortunately, too many of those behind the curtain controlling USG foreign policy are too blinded by their arrogance and hubris to realize that, and instead of welcoming a peaceful multi-centered world, will continue on their chosen path of aggression, demands and sanctions until we become the isolated one.

    Since President Moon Jae-in has been working in this matte with North Korea for more than twenty yeas, I find it hard to believe he intends to allow an opportunity to slip by based on training routine exercises.

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  48. Sean says:
    @Mike P

    China is deindustrialising the West ... The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West
     
    So whose fault is it - China's, or the Western capitalists? Pick one.

    Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialized itself by China. ... The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

     

    The EU common market as such wasn't a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated. It was the Euro, which was foisted on Germany by the French as a price for their consent to German reunification, that caused the trade imbalances within Europe to explode.

    But with or without the Euro, Germany's manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China's labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan's did. Just wait and see.

    China’s, or the Western capitalists?

    Trump was elected to punish both, so a lot of Americans apparently blame both.

    The EU common market as such wasn’t a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated.

    At the cost of throwing people out a job, which only worked when people knew things would eventually get better. Things are not going to get better for the lower orders of West, they are good and getting better for the financial elite and China.

    But with or without the Euro, Germany’s manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China’s labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan’s did. Just wait and see.

    China is 10 times larger than Japan, hence the economies of scale are probably going to become more salient than labour costs (there is a new factory complex in China making laptops that has a bigger workforce than the British Army). German business are going to do well out of China’s rise. American business have no objection to China making everything and America being supreme in financial services. Unfortunately the country would become weaker than China while a substantial part of the population became increasingly disgusted with their lot in life (in real terms worse of than their parents). The majority ethnic population and state institutions must object to a policy that creates ever increasing numbers of unemployed and ignores state power for the profit of a minority. Therefore the people (there a lot of them) and the deep state are diverging from the business community–increasingly seen as an fifth column with interest in destroying the country as a nation-state. But nation states are a thing with emergent properties not found in their parts. Hence untrammeled capitalism with money sloshing around the world wrecking states and the people who make up nations is a fundamentally unstable system that leads to ethnic nationalism and militarism. The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the business elite and try to wrest control from them.

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    The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the business elite and try to wrest control from them.
     
    Unless, of course, the deep nation-state and the business elite for the most part ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

    As, for example, is the case in China. This owes to complex and deep-rooted cultural factors within China, but it does go back basically to ancient times.

    For other cultures, though, what you say is essentially correct.

    For instance, in the United States, while large military-industrial corporations are a clear pillar (and indispensable part) of the deep state, commercial and financial enterprises tend to be completely self-serving - often ignoring the long-term interests of their host nation (America, in this instance).
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  49. Art says:
    @Anon
    The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse to fire back and invade.

    Bolton's comments about "Libya" were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N. Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations." That's what they are hoping for.

    Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say “we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations.” That’s what they are hoping for.

    Sorry but the Jew’s trash talking days are over. There is NO there there!

    The Jew is losing his power. Truth is starting to gain strength. The world’s attitude is turning away from Jew coercion, through their control of the US government.

    Jew power is a function of US government power. And US power is losing out, all around the world.

    Trump’s overbearing, tuff talking sing-song, is losing its steam. Bolton’s big mouth has complicated the NKorea nuke deal. He illustrates to the world, the dishonesty of the US foreign policy under Jew control.

    The Israeli embassy deal was a total embarrassment. Innocent blood was flowing as Jarrad and Ivanka were speaking their hollow words. Gaza innocence won the day.

    Europe is fighting to preserve the Iran nuke deal. They are passing laws to protect their businesses from US sanctions. China and Russia are stepping up with deals to counter Trump’s Jew favoring sanctions.

    Jew led America is getting no respect.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Art

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  50. @JVC
    the Trump/Kim meeting was not instituted by the USG. China, Russia, and SK have all been in negotiation with Kim, and they all realize that the USG word is essentially worthless. I suspect Kim has agreed with his neighbors to de-nuclearize in return for some robust security agreements along with the opening of trade in the region. The U.S. will need to think hard and long about doing anything to disrupt what is essentially a regional policy shift. I think Trump has been invited along on the ride just to stroke his and the USG's sense of self importance. The world is changing, and the future lies in the east. Unfortunately, too many of those behind the curtain controlling USG foreign policy are too blinded by their arrogance and hubris to realize that, and instead of welcoming a peaceful multi-centered world, will continue on their chosen path of aggression, demands and sanctions until we become the isolated one.

    The world does not revolve around the US any more. The US elites still did not realize that – they degenerated too much after 1991. However, some of the US vassals are even more deluded than the US elites. Grown up Europeans (like Germany, France, and even the UK) are learning, judging by their refusal to follow the US lead on the Iranian deal, which is totally illegal from the point of view of the international law (when there was one, before it was repeatedly trampled by the US). But the pathetic inconsequential poodles, like Poland, Ukraine, and Baltic vaudeville states, refuse to learn. More fools them.

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  51. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be a long-term strategy.
     
    North Korea has been using its on/off nuke program to trick the US into concessions for decades now. Trump is just the latest.

    https://moneyweek.com/kim-jong-un-north-korea-wavers-over-nuclear-talks/

    “Welcome, President Trump, to the infuriating, indecipherable game of North Korean nuclear diplomacy,” says CNN’s Stephen Collinson. An “unexpected series of threats” has “threatened to nix next month’s planned summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un”. Kim lashed out at US-South Korea military drills, cancelled a high-level meeting with South Korean officials, and warned that there was “little point” in the US summit if the White House was going to require its nuclear arsenal to be dismantled “up front”.
     

    Korean diplomacy is underrated As Mearshimer says, following the treaty of "Kang-wah (February 1876), which opened three Korean ports to Japan.... Neither Japan nor Russia was able to gain the upper hand in Korea, mainly because Korean policymakers skillfully played the two great powers off against each other ". Eventually the Russia-Japan war resulted and you could make an argument that WW1 (and even 2) stemmed from the Russian deterrent being removed from the international equation in 1905.

    China proved to the US it would not stand for North Korea being crushed, and the US would not dare test that again. In 2000, China openly threatened the US mainland with a nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan declaring independence.


    China isn’t “deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West” – the West is doing it all to itself; and it doesn’t really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan
     
    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are happy to have the North Korean nuke menace ,


    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/north-korea-why-trump-should-kims-feet-to-the-fire/

    North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy. Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington’s style on international trade, for instance. And trade, of course, is absolutely central to the new administration’s program.

    It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.

    Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.,/b>
     

    The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West, but rather will wait out the era of Trump, whereupon the investing in China will resume apace. It won't be possible to slow the growth of China down and so America will be eclipsed. The military won't be much use then, because China will have bigger and better toys.

    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.

    How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non EU trade? You don’t see many US, Japanese, or Chinese goods in Europe.

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    China is into joint ventures for Western technology until it doesn't need them , as usual Germany is the great de-stabliser

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-china-insight/boiled-frog-syndrome-germanys-china-problem-idUSKBN1HM03J

    Not only has the opening of China shifted into reverse under President Xi Jinping, but Chinese firms have moved up the value chain far faster than many in Germany expected.
     

    It's not the only reason that German (And American) manufacturing jobs are going; obviously there a lot of automation. Trump and his supporters cannot alter the trend without massively altering the way American business and foreign policy is conducted, and to hop out of the boiling pot the mindset has to change.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/ronan-farrow-on-the-demise-of-the-state-department-president-trump-and-the-power-of-mike-pompeo.html

    There’s a chapter in this book about North Korea. That’s been a long-fraught diplomatic journey with a lot of failures along the way but also a lot of institutional knowledge gained. We are not relying on our experts there or anywhere else. [...]
    We are at a time right now where the State Department is simply being wiped out. ...It’s a disaster for us, but we have never seen the kind of nosedive that we’re seeing now. We’ve never had this purge of the diplomatic workforce .... ... This is going to be hard to turn back.”
     

    That is what Trump was elected to do. It is going to be militaristic, authoritarian and nationalist, because only those policies can alter the fate of the traditional workforce of the West.
    , @Anon
    I’ve even bought remote control cars and video games in Germany that were made in Germany clothes too.
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  52. Realist says:

    Trump’s objectives are completely clear. He wants to win the Nobel Prize and he wants to be recognized as a foreign policy genius

    Trumps chances of being recognized as any kind of genius by intelligent people are slim and none.

    That’s not the deal. That’s never been the deal. No one on the North Korean side ever said that Washington was going to get something for nothing. And it’s not going to happen either. Kim is looking for a tradeoff, a decommissioning of his nuclear weapons in exchange for basic security guarantees. That’s the deal.

    If Kim has any intelligence at all he will demand full denuclearization of the Korean peninsula (South Korea has had US nuclear weapons stationed there for decades) and removal of all US military personnel and material.
    US guarantees are worthless.

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  53. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/Trump-backs-off-China-tariff-threat-as-China-pumps-money-into-a-Trump-family-project_168320640


    The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim’s unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment of China who will use Trump's desire for a foriegn policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West .

    Kim put Trump in the land of the promised, then went back on his word to get Trump to concede on trade, and of course Trump is doing just that. The deep state will sell out the long term interests of their country in the name of security consideration. Politicians want to get that foreign policy coup, which the North Koreans are perennially dangling. They Koreans will never give up the nukes that China effectively gave them unless the Chinese order them to, and that will only happen isTrump completely sells out the US on trade. The US would not dare attack North Korea and risk Chinese military intervention AGAIN. China is holding all the cards unless Trump just refuses to play diplomatic dupe to decepticon Korea (north and south for South Korea also wants access to the Western market) . Korean diplomacy basically consists of giving America false hope. The best thing is would be to leave North Koreato stew in their own juice, and impose tariffs on China, Japan and South Korea too. They are all aggressor states.

    How courteous is the Japanese;
    He always says, “Excuse it, please.”
    He climbs into his neighbor’s garden,
    And smiles, and says, “I beg your pardon”;
    He bows and grins a friendly grin,
    And calls his hungry family in;
    He grins, and bows a friendly bow;
    “So sorry, this my garden now.”

    Ogden Nash,The Japanese (1938)
     

    North Korea’s demands are pretty clear: a formal end to the Korean War and a peace treaty with the US, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula.

    These demands are supported by China and many South Koreans. They’re opposed by Japan and some South Korean conservatives. I don’t think your notion that China, North Korea, South Korea, and Japan are all aligned on the North Korea issue is true.

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.

    So why doesn’t the US make a deal that agrees to NK’s demands, satisfies most of the parties involved and many Trump supporters and Americans? Clearly Trump, being an astute negotiator and businessman with an instinct for what people like and is popular, is inclined towards such a deal. Obviously what’s holding the US back from such a deal are American foreign policy hawks and the deep state, who want to maintain the US military presence globally.

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    Very true, the deep state (CIA and its domestic moles) will fight this Korean peace initiative tooth and nail. CIA needs a puppet regime run by opposite numbers in Korea to do its domestic dirty work. Remember Tongsun Park bribing the hell out of Congress? CIA counterattack on Church and Pike committee oversight, in a pincer movement with ABSCAM? Raise your hand if you think occupied Korea could actually bribe US VIPs without CIA permission. In those days South Korea did the bribing that Israel does now. CIA needs a pool of satellites for this, since Israel is starting to stink up the place.

    But South Korea is tired of the US coups and death squads that turned it into an Asian banana republic. Chalmers Johnson's Blowback is esoterica here but every Korean knows that history by heart. Both halves of US-bisected Korea are dealing first and foremost with the problem of US occupation and coercive intervention.

    The US has demonstrated its propensity to crap on the peremptory norm pacta sunt servanda, so a US non-aggression pact will not be worth the paper it's written on. The Chinese or Russian nuclear umbrella is a better alternative. The Korean Armistice Agreement and ROK accession to the Rome Statute interact in interesting ways that might squeeze out US occupation forces. The idea is that the distinction between an armistice and a peace agreement is blurring in contemporary state practice, so US use of force might involve ICC jurisdiction over the crime of aggression.

    All this means the US is going to get sidelined by SCO diplomacy again, the same way they did in Syria. Trump's negotiating posture is irrelevant. So are US threats of force.
    , @Sean

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands.
     
    People supported Trump because their lives were being progressively destroyed at home, and the investment was going to China. Peace with north Korea would be betrayal. Trump was elected to halt China's oh so peaceful hollowing out of the West. The "government officials", hedge funders and assorted globalists are in it with Chinese leadership, they loath and despise the common people of the West who have not seen their real wages rise in God knows how long.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/magazine/the-rise-of-china-and-the-fall-of-the-free-trade-myth.html

    China had become, despite all its problems, indispensable. “In a world marked by great uncertainty and volatility, the international community is looking to China,” Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum, said last year while introducing his guest, the Chinese president and general secretary of China’s Communist Party, Xi Jinping.

    As the usual gaggle of hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives and government officials looked on, Xi rose to defend free trade and globalization against the relentless attacks of Trump.

     


    So why doesn’t the US make a deal that agrees to NK’s demands
     
    Because North Korea is a pawn of China, which is an economic aggressor. Trying to deal with North Korea means treating the military threat they pose as if it was more than a Chinese creation and ploy. The economic threat that China poses is far more dangerous to the way of life of Western populations that anything North Korea could do.

    If China's economic rise at the expense of American supremacy is not stopped, China will become militarily unbeatable and because they will not halt willingly, they must be stopped. Military pressure on China is not adventurism, it is necessary, as is a trade war. The home grown traitors in the West such as "hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives, government officials and other Globalists who are in effect Chinese agents of influence, will need to be given just punishment for their temerity, and they'll get it from increasingly authoritarian security states as the West inevitable comes into confrontation with China. Germany will be an exception, but they always were.

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  54. Rabbit says:

    Kim’s laughing his ass off. Americans are so stoopid. What makes anyone think NK will go out of it’s way to get along with the US? Why would they? Kim’s doing just fine and he has Trump as jester to amuse him. I’m sure he’s enjoying the hell out of this.
    Trump’s fans really thought he had the Nobel sewed up. That’s really funny. What’s funnier is they think he’s helping them.
    All of these morons ripe for milking. I should have become a preacher and had an easy, rich life.

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  55. “If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.”

    As someone who supports this admin and the agenda that was advanced during the campaign, you description is fa afield from why I voted. I am not an isolationist, though the county could use some minding its own affairs for a time. Nor was my vote premised on being anti-foreign policy. In fact, I have never head of anyone being anti-foreign policy. A policy less reliant on the use of force as its main thrust was and is the issue.
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    Isolationists and those opposed to foreign policy adventurism supported Trump over Hillary.
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  56. ohmy says:
    @MEFOBILLS
    So far, I don’t see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat.

    America pivots away from Atlantacist doctrine.

    America turns away from finance capitalism (state sponsored usury) and resurrects the "American System" of Peshine Smith and Henry Clay. The American System is internal growth using Industrial Capitalism, where Treasury Money (not corporate bank credit) channels into the commons and industry.

    In other words, America resurrects Constitutional Money and Industry. This type of economy was at the birth of the U.S., especially in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania colonies.

    America can make all it needs internally, it doesn't need Atlantacist "ship-borne" movement of minerals and goods. America is a continental country like Russia with everything it needs.

    Island countries like U.K. need "Atlantacist" doctrine to control the world. BIZWOG (Britain and Israel World Government) is the core of Atlantacism, not the U.S.

    Oligarchs in America who benefit from the Atlantacist system will have to be ejected by force. A good parasite makes its host think said parasite is beneficial.

    How to get the banksters out of their position. It seems they have printed enough cash to buy everyone. Top to bottom.

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  57. snakeoil says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    North Korea has been trying to cut a peace deal for decades, but our Deep State blocks all such efforts. I documented the wasteful and aggressive efforts of US Army generals to thwart peace in a series of articles. This was the latest:

    http://www.g2mil.com/casey.htm

    Taxpayers are shocked to read what's been going on this past decade to stop peace and profit from warmongering!

    you can add this to your collection of Pharaoh and their corporations use of the governments of the world to make profit

    http://www.pogo.org/blog/2018/05/paper-cuts-cashing-in-on-connections.html

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  58. dax2 says:

    Ww2 played out as the american and uk jews scheme to have allied german forces and russian allied forces destroy each other, so that the rothschild zionists take full monetary, financial and economic victories. this was successfuly done. Ww3 is being crafted as a shiite versus sunni destruction derby so that israeli and american jews and ultra-moronic closet jews — evangelical zionist christians — do a rothschild conquest again. they are successful so far, as they are being assisted by russian zionist forces.

    it was always about fighting and killing each other of all jewish enemies to the last russian, german, nato and american soldier. the zombie fungus jews are very smart and controlled the childish and greedy brains of stupid nations. this is why jews keep monitoring yearly the level of jewish hatred in each country so it will know which rich ones who do not dislike the jews too much can be zombified easily.

    The prospective nokor war is correctly being modeled modestly by boltons masters as a much smaller libyan and iraq subjugation where greedy anglo corporations, the zionist allies, can get the massive jet, drone and bomb contracts, and get equally rich like their tag team partners, the jews who own mind control services (news, tv, movie and internet media), financial and monetary control services, and energy control services.

    unfortunately for the anglozionists, quality information about their schemes are very easy to see in modern times. the nokors, iranians, syrians and lebanese hizbollans can plan ahead and play counterstrikes very well. arrogant tribes and nations have all bit the dust, and israeli and american zionists will be brutally defeated.

    even now, the jewish effort to be the smartest race and racists is now a distant second to those of the chinese. koreans, japanese and russians are also in good position to ethnically be smarter than the jews. all small nations should strive to be a lot smarter than the jews, who factually are mere satanic invaders of canaanite lands like jerusalem, and never owned any land called israel.

    the jews, a zombie fungus species, invented false news, false military sitreps, and false histories. always try to cauterize them away.

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  59. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    "If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners."


    As someone who supports this admin and the agenda that was advanced during the campaign, you description is fa afield from why I voted. I am not an isolationist, though the county could use some minding its own affairs for a time. Nor was my vote premised on being anti-foreign policy. In fact, I have never head of anyone being anti-foreign policy. A policy less reliant on the use of force as its main thrust was and is the issue.
    ,

    Isolationists and those opposed to foreign policy adventurism supported Trump over Hillary.

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    1. That may be the case. But I am not convinced that isolationism was the contend. Just because people want a heavier focus and policy on domestic issues over foreign policy does not make them isolationists. That is my view. And while I might agree that isolationists voted for President Trump, I don't think most of his supporters are isolationists.
    I do understand you position.


    2. As my comment indicates, push-back against the use of force (needless use of force) does not equate to being anti-foreign policy. If by adventurism you mean, regime change and internal trouble making with states no threat to the US or he allies, then our view is the same.
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  60. ANON[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    See what’s going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?
     
    Stop with this nonsense. Yes, you're correct, Kim doesn't want that prosperity siphoned off by Western Corporations. Why? Because he and his cronies will be doing the siphoning, thank you very much. Let's not paint this tyrant as a Goody Two Shoes, because he's not.

    Fyi, my criticism of Kim doesn't mean I agree with threatening North Korea or that I agree with how the Western Foreign Policy Establishment has treated North Korea historically. What it means is, there are no Good Guys in this equation. They're ALL Bad Guys.

    Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy

    Your link served to introduce me to A.K. Dewdney who seems to be a very interesting example of a high IQ educated – and in his case , at least when younger, productive – nutter. And 9/11 conspiracy theorist, apparently prompted by a half baked experiment he did with mobile phones on a small plane in provincial Canada.

    You suggest for some reason that his Wikipedia entry was some sort of phony attack by enemies or detractors but I note that the current version does not, any more than you do, mention that Dewdney is a Muslim convert. Apparently before 9/11. Now that really is weird to anyone not as willing to accept godbothering as normal as the average American was only 20 years ago.

    I note as of further interest that you think well of Revusky and his style and works. Oh dear.

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  61. @Anonymous
    Isolationists and those opposed to foreign policy adventurism supported Trump over Hillary.

    1. That may be the case. But I am not convinced that isolationism was the contend. Just because people want a heavier focus and policy on domestic issues over foreign policy does not make them isolationists. That is my view. And while I might agree that isolationists voted for President Trump, I don’t think most of his supporters are isolationists.
    I do understand you position.

    2. As my comment indicates, push-back against the use of force (needless use of force) does not equate to being anti-foreign policy. If by adventurism you mean, regime change and internal trouble making with states no threat to the US or he allies, then our view is the same.

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  62. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
     
    How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non EU trade? You don't see many US, Japanese, or Chinese goods in Europe.

    China is into joint ventures for Western technology until it doesn’t need them , as usual Germany is the great de-stabliser

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-china-insight/boiled-frog-syndrome-germanys-china-problem-idUSKBN1HM03J

    Not only has the opening of China shifted into reverse under President Xi Jinping, but Chinese firms have moved up the value chain far faster than many in Germany expected.

    It’s not the only reason that German (And American) manufacturing jobs are going; obviously there a lot of automation. Trump and his supporters cannot alter the trend without massively altering the way American business and foreign policy is conducted, and to hop out of the boiling pot the mindset has to change.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/ronan-farrow-on-the-demise-of-the-state-department-president-trump-and-the-power-of-mike-pompeo.html

    There’s a chapter in this book about North Korea. That’s been a long-fraught diplomatic journey with a lot of failures along the way but also a lot of institutional knowledge gained. We are not relying on our experts there or anywhere else. [...]
    We are at a time right now where the State Department is simply being wiped out. …It’s a disaster for us, but we have never seen the kind of nosedive that we’re seeing now. We’ve never had this purge of the diplomatic workforce …. … This is going to be hard to turn back.”

    That is what Trump was elected to do. It is going to be militaristic, authoritarian and nationalist, because only those policies can alter the fate of the traditional workforce of the West.

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  63. Trev says:
    @Anonymous
    North Korea's demands are pretty clear: a formal end to the Korean War and a peace treaty with the US, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula.

    These demands are supported by China and many South Koreans. They're opposed by Japan and some South Korean conservatives. I don't think your notion that China, North Korea, South Korea, and Japan are all aligned on the North Korea issue is true.

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea's demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.

    So why doesn't the US make a deal that agrees to NK's demands, satisfies most of the parties involved and many Trump supporters and Americans? Clearly Trump, being an astute negotiator and businessman with an instinct for what people like and is popular, is inclined towards such a deal. Obviously what's holding the US back from such a deal are American foreign policy hawks and the deep state, who want to maintain the US military presence globally.

    Very true, the deep state (CIA and its domestic moles) will fight this Korean peace initiative tooth and nail. CIA needs a puppet regime run by opposite numbers in Korea to do its domestic dirty work. Remember Tongsun Park bribing the hell out of Congress? CIA counterattack on Church and Pike committee oversight, in a pincer movement with ABSCAM? Raise your hand if you think occupied Korea could actually bribe US VIPs without CIA permission. In those days South Korea did the bribing that Israel does now. CIA needs a pool of satellites for this, since Israel is starting to stink up the place.

    But South Korea is tired of the US coups and death squads that turned it into an Asian banana republic. Chalmers Johnson’s Blowback is esoterica here but every Korean knows that history by heart. Both halves of US-bisected Korea are dealing first and foremost with the problem of US occupation and coercive intervention.

    The US has demonstrated its propensity to crap on the peremptory norm pacta sunt servanda, so a US non-aggression pact will not be worth the paper it’s written on. The Chinese or Russian nuclear umbrella is a better alternative. The Korean Armistice Agreement and ROK accession to the Rome Statute interact in interesting ways that might squeeze out US occupation forces. The idea is that the distinction between an armistice and a peace agreement is blurring in contemporary state practice, so US use of force might involve ICC jurisdiction over the crime of aggression.

    All this means the US is going to get sidelined by SCO diplomacy again, the same way they did in Syria. Trump’s negotiating posture is irrelevant. So are US threats of force.

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  64. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    North Korea's demands are pretty clear: a formal end to the Korean War and a peace treaty with the US, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula.

    These demands are supported by China and many South Koreans. They're opposed by Japan and some South Korean conservatives. I don't think your notion that China, North Korea, South Korea, and Japan are all aligned on the North Korea issue is true.

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea's demands. This would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.

    So why doesn't the US make a deal that agrees to NK's demands, satisfies most of the parties involved and many Trump supporters and Americans? Clearly Trump, being an astute negotiator and businessman with an instinct for what people like and is popular, is inclined towards such a deal. Obviously what's holding the US back from such a deal are American foreign policy hawks and the deep state, who want to maintain the US military presence globally.

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands.

    People supported Trump because their lives were being progressively destroyed at home, and the investment was going to China. Peace with north Korea would be betrayal. Trump was elected to halt China’s oh so peaceful hollowing out of the West. The “government officials”, hedge funders and assorted globalists are in it with Chinese leadership, they loath and despise the common people of the West who have not seen their real wages rise in God knows how long.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/magazine/the-rise-of-china-and-the-fall-of-the-free-trade-myth.html

    China had become, despite all its problems, indispensable. “In a world marked by great uncertainty and volatility, the international community is looking to China,” Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum, said last year while introducing his guest, the Chinese president and general secretary of China’s Communist Party, Xi Jinping.

    As the usual gaggle of hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives and government officials looked on, Xi rose to defend free trade and globalization against the relentless attacks of Trump.

    So why doesn’t the US make a deal that agrees to NK’s demands

    Because North Korea is a pawn of China, which is an economic aggressor. Trying to deal with North Korea means treating the military threat they pose as if it was more than a Chinese creation and ploy. The economic threat that China poses is far more dangerous to the way of life of Western populations that anything North Korea could do.

    If China’s economic rise at the expense of American supremacy is not stopped, China will become militarily unbeatable and because they will not halt willingly, they must be stopped. Military pressure on China is not adventurism, it is necessary, as is a trade war. The home grown traitors in the West such as “hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives, government officials and other Globalists who are in effect Chinese agents of influence, will need to be given just punishment for their temerity, and they’ll get it from increasingly authoritarian security states as the West inevitable comes into confrontation with China. Germany will be an exception, but they always were.

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    It's not clear to me how your position is different from the Deep State and foreign policy establishment, which wants a continued military presence in East Asia to contain China. That seems to be what you're advocating.

    Trump's instinct was to pull back militarily from Asia and the rest of the world, let other countries provide for their own defense, and focus on rebuilding domestically. North Korea's demands for a formal end to the Korean War, a peace treaty, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula would obviously complement Trump's goals. By agreeing to NK's demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy. By failing to do so, Trump has to maintain the US military presence and make trade and other concessions to SK, Japan, and others to get them on board with US foreign policy.

    I don't see what the relevance of NK supposedly being a pawn of China is. Whether it is or not, both NK and China have an interest in opposing the US military presence in East Asia and countering it with a military and nuclear buildup.
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  65. “People supported Trump because their lives were being progressively destroyed at home, and the investment was going to China. Peace with north Korea would be betrayal. Trump was elected to halt China’s oh so peaceful hollowing out of the West. The “government officials”, hedge funders and assorted globalists are in it with Chinese leadership, they loath and despise the common people of the West who have not seen their real wages rise in God knows how long.”

    This is a serious over reach.

    We don’t need to stop China we t reconsider the balance of trade and not just with China.

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  66. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    China is into joint ventures for Western technology until it doesn't need them , as usual Germany is the great de-stabliser

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-china-insight/boiled-frog-syndrome-germanys-china-problem-idUSKBN1HM03J

    Not only has the opening of China shifted into reverse under President Xi Jinping, but Chinese firms have moved up the value chain far faster than many in Germany expected.
     

    It's not the only reason that German (And American) manufacturing jobs are going; obviously there a lot of automation. Trump and his supporters cannot alter the trend without massively altering the way American business and foreign policy is conducted, and to hop out of the boiling pot the mindset has to change.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/ronan-farrow-on-the-demise-of-the-state-department-president-trump-and-the-power-of-mike-pompeo.html

    There’s a chapter in this book about North Korea. That’s been a long-fraught diplomatic journey with a lot of failures along the way but also a lot of institutional knowledge gained. We are not relying on our experts there or anywhere else. [...]
    We are at a time right now where the State Department is simply being wiped out. ...It’s a disaster for us, but we have never seen the kind of nosedive that we’re seeing now. We’ve never had this purge of the diplomatic workforce .... ... This is going to be hard to turn back.”
     

    That is what Trump was elected to do. It is going to be militaristic, authoritarian and nationalist, because only those policies can alter the fate of the traditional workforce of the West.

    You didn’t answer my question. How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non-EU trade? Are you saying that the EU is not in fact a barrier to non-EU trade?

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    As link indicates, not as much of one as as Germany expected, but right now holding the EU together by not tightening the noose on the remaining EU countries, and making sure that Britain is punished for Brexit, is Germany's priority
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  67. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea’s demands.
     
    People supported Trump because their lives were being progressively destroyed at home, and the investment was going to China. Peace with north Korea would be betrayal. Trump was elected to halt China's oh so peaceful hollowing out of the West. The "government officials", hedge funders and assorted globalists are in it with Chinese leadership, they loath and despise the common people of the West who have not seen their real wages rise in God knows how long.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/magazine/the-rise-of-china-and-the-fall-of-the-free-trade-myth.html

    China had become, despite all its problems, indispensable. “In a world marked by great uncertainty and volatility, the international community is looking to China,” Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum, said last year while introducing his guest, the Chinese president and general secretary of China’s Communist Party, Xi Jinping.

    As the usual gaggle of hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives and government officials looked on, Xi rose to defend free trade and globalization against the relentless attacks of Trump.

     


    So why doesn’t the US make a deal that agrees to NK’s demands
     
    Because North Korea is a pawn of China, which is an economic aggressor. Trying to deal with North Korea means treating the military threat they pose as if it was more than a Chinese creation and ploy. The economic threat that China poses is far more dangerous to the way of life of Western populations that anything North Korea could do.

    If China's economic rise at the expense of American supremacy is not stopped, China will become militarily unbeatable and because they will not halt willingly, they must be stopped. Military pressure on China is not adventurism, it is necessary, as is a trade war. The home grown traitors in the West such as "hedge-funders, Silicon Valley executives, government officials and other Globalists who are in effect Chinese agents of influence, will need to be given just punishment for their temerity, and they'll get it from increasingly authoritarian security states as the West inevitable comes into confrontation with China. Germany will be an exception, but they always were.

    It’s not clear to me how your position is different from the Deep State and foreign policy establishment, which wants a continued military presence in East Asia to contain China. That seems to be what you’re advocating.

    Trump’s instinct was to pull back militarily from Asia and the rest of the world, let other countries provide for their own defense, and focus on rebuilding domestically. North Korea’s demands for a formal end to the Korean War, a peace treaty, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula would obviously complement Trump’s goals. By agreeing to NK’s demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy. By failing to do so, Trump has to maintain the US military presence and make trade and other concessions to SK, Japan, and others to get them on board with US foreign policy.

    I don’t see what the relevance of NK supposedly being a pawn of China is. Whether it is or not, both NK and China have an interest in opposing the US military presence in East Asia and countering it with a military and nuclear buildup.

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    By agreeing to NK’s demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy.
     
    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens. The US would not make ray Cline's mistake a second time, they would not dare hit kim even with a raid.

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too. The tables should be turned on China and the obvious fact that they are using Kim as a wedge to continue the economic rape of the West should cease to be ignored. China, aided by venal Western globalist, is on track to bury us. Militarism and economic nationalism can work in synergy to defeat China's fiendish plan for world domination by eroding productive capacity all across the west. Domestic policy is subordinate to foreign policy so a Cold War will go nicely with authoritarianism at home--per a smackdown of greedy hypercapitalist elites--and encouraging Israel into ethnic cleansing will nullify the pro immigration lobby.

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  68. myself says:
    @Sean

    China’s, or the Western capitalists?
     
    Trump was elected to punish both, so a lot of Americans apparently blame both.

    The EU common market as such wasn’t a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated.
     
    At the cost of throwing people out a job, which only worked when people knew things would eventually get better. Things are not going to get better for the lower orders of West, they are good and getting better for the financial elite and China.

    But with or without the Euro, Germany’s manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China’s labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan’s did. Just wait and see.
     
    China is 10 times larger than Japan, hence the economies of scale are probably going to become more salient than labour costs (there is a new factory complex in China making laptops that has a bigger workforce than the British Army). German business are going to do well out of China's rise. American business have no objection to China making everything and America being supreme in financial services. Unfortunately the country would become weaker than China while a substantial part of the population became increasingly disgusted with their lot in life (in real terms worse of than their parents). The majority ethnic population and state institutions must object to a policy that creates ever increasing numbers of unemployed and ignores state power for the profit of a minority. Therefore the people (there a lot of them) and the deep state are diverging from the business community--increasingly seen as an fifth column with interest in destroying the country as a nation-state. But nation states are a thing with emergent properties not found in their parts. Hence untrammeled capitalism with money sloshing around the world wrecking states and the people who make up nations is a fundamentally unstable system that leads to ethnic nationalism and militarism. The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the business elite and try to wrest control from them.

    The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the business elite and try to wrest control from them.

    Unless, of course, the deep nation-state and the business elite for the most part ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

    As, for example, is the case in China. This owes to complex and deep-rooted cultural factors within China, but it does go back basically to ancient times.

    For other cultures, though, what you say is essentially correct.

    For instance, in the United States, while large military-industrial corporations are a clear pillar (and indispensable part) of the deep state, commercial and financial enterprises tend to be completely self-serving – often ignoring the long-term interests of their host nation (America, in this instance).

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  69. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    You didn't answer my question. How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non-EU trade? Are you saying that the EU is not in fact a barrier to non-EU trade?

    As link indicates, not as much of one as as Germany expected, but right now holding the EU together by not tightening the noose on the remaining EU countries, and making sure that Britain is punished for Brexit, is Germany’s priority

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    The link says that China has moved up the value chain faster than expected. I'm not sure what that has to do with the EU being a barrier to non-EU trade. For example, Japan is already high up the value chain, yet its products aren't imported much into Germany and Europe because the EU is a barrier to non-EU trade.
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  70. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    It's not clear to me how your position is different from the Deep State and foreign policy establishment, which wants a continued military presence in East Asia to contain China. That seems to be what you're advocating.

    Trump's instinct was to pull back militarily from Asia and the rest of the world, let other countries provide for their own defense, and focus on rebuilding domestically. North Korea's demands for a formal end to the Korean War, a peace treaty, and the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula would obviously complement Trump's goals. By agreeing to NK's demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy. By failing to do so, Trump has to maintain the US military presence and make trade and other concessions to SK, Japan, and others to get them on board with US foreign policy.

    I don't see what the relevance of NK supposedly being a pawn of China is. Whether it is or not, both NK and China have an interest in opposing the US military presence in East Asia and countering it with a military and nuclear buildup.

    By agreeing to NK’s demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy.

    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens. The US would not make ray Cline’s mistake a second time, they would not dare hit kim even with a raid.

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too. The tables should be turned on China and the obvious fact that they are using Kim as a wedge to continue the economic rape of the West should cease to be ignored. China, aided by venal Western globalist, is on track to bury us. Militarism and economic nationalism can work in synergy to defeat China’s fiendish plan for world domination by eroding productive capacity all across the west. Domestic policy is subordinate to foreign policy so a Cold War will go nicely with authoritarianism at home–per a smackdown of greedy hypercapitalist elites–and encouraging Israel into ethnic cleansing will nullify the pro immigration lobby.

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    Like I said, it’s not clear to me how your position is different from the Deep State and foreign policy establishment. Both you and the establishment regard China as a threat that needs to be contained with a US military presence and alliance in East Asia.

    http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2027847/why-hillary-clinton-bigger-concern-china-donald-trump

    It was actually Hillary Clinton, emphasising the necessity of a “strategic turn” for the United States, who launched the pivot to Asia in an October 2011 article titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The tone was martial: “Our military is by far the strongest and our economy is by far the largest.” The South China Sea duly featured: “Half the world’s merchant tonnage flows through this water”. Informed observers didn’t need a manual to spot Clinton’s subtle cue alerting them to the danger of China’s “nine-dashed line”.

    Clinton’s essay preceded Obama’s November 2011 speech to the Australian Parliament in which he officially announced the pivot. The key theme was the US as a “Pacific nation”. The tone was mostly combative. Only after 10 long confrontational paragraphs did a meek “effort to build a cooperative relationship with China” appear.
     
    , @Anonymous

    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens.
     
    Why can't the US agree to NK's demands? The US could easily withdraw from the Korean peninsula and tell South Korea and Japan to deal with NK themselves. Are you saying that the US can't do this? Why not? NK might be a threat to SK and Japan, but how would it be a threat to the US?

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.
     
    Why does agreeing to NK's demands entail making trade concessions to China? Like I said, the US could agree to NK's demands, withdraw from East Asia, and let SK, Japan, Russia, and anyone else deal with NK if they feel threatened. There's no reason to make trade or any other concessions, unless the US insists on being involved in the region.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too.
     
    How does the US do this without making concessions to SK and Japan? Both SK and Japan have a large trading relationship with China, and significant constituencies that favor a closer relationship with China and accommodating Chinese regional hegemony and opposing US influence in the region. The US makes trade and other concessions to SK, Japan and others, even places like Australia where the US accepted refugee transfers from, in order to get them to go along with US foreign policy against China.
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  71. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    As link indicates, not as much of one as as Germany expected, but right now holding the EU together by not tightening the noose on the remaining EU countries, and making sure that Britain is punished for Brexit, is Germany's priority

    The link says that China has moved up the value chain faster than expected. I’m not sure what that has to do with the EU being a barrier to non-EU trade. For example, Japan is already high up the value chain, yet its products aren’t imported much into Germany and Europe because the EU is a barrier to non-EU trade.

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  72. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    By agreeing to NK’s demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy.
     
    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens. The US would not make ray Cline's mistake a second time, they would not dare hit kim even with a raid.

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too. The tables should be turned on China and the obvious fact that they are using Kim as a wedge to continue the economic rape of the West should cease to be ignored. China, aided by venal Western globalist, is on track to bury us. Militarism and economic nationalism can work in synergy to defeat China's fiendish plan for world domination by eroding productive capacity all across the west. Domestic policy is subordinate to foreign policy so a Cold War will go nicely with authoritarianism at home--per a smackdown of greedy hypercapitalist elites--and encouraging Israel into ethnic cleansing will nullify the pro immigration lobby.

    Like I said, it’s not clear to me how your position is different from the Deep State and foreign policy establishment. Both you and the establishment regard China as a threat that needs to be contained with a US military presence and alliance in East Asia.

    http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2027847/why-hillary-clinton-bigger-concern-china-donald-trump

    It was actually Hillary Clinton, emphasising the necessity of a “strategic turn” for the United States, who launched the pivot to Asia in an October 2011 article titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The tone was martial: “Our military is by far the strongest and our economy is by far the largest.” The South China Sea duly featured: “Half the world’s merchant tonnage flows through this water”. Informed observers didn’t need a manual to spot Clinton’s subtle cue alerting them to the danger of China’s “nine-dashed line”.

    Clinton’s essay preceded Obama’s November 2011 speech to the Australian Parliament in which he officially announced the pivot. The key theme was the US as a “Pacific nation”. The tone was mostly combative. Only after 10 long confrontational paragraphs did a meek “effort to build a cooperative relationship with China” appear.

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  73. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    By agreeing to NK’s demands, Trump could pull back, tell South Korea, Japan, and others to deal with their own defense, and focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy.
     
    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens. The US would not make ray Cline's mistake a second time, they would not dare hit kim even with a raid.

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too. The tables should be turned on China and the obvious fact that they are using Kim as a wedge to continue the economic rape of the West should cease to be ignored. China, aided by venal Western globalist, is on track to bury us. Militarism and economic nationalism can work in synergy to defeat China's fiendish plan for world domination by eroding productive capacity all across the west. Domestic policy is subordinate to foreign policy so a Cold War will go nicely with authoritarianism at home--per a smackdown of greedy hypercapitalist elites--and encouraging Israel into ethnic cleansing will nullify the pro immigration lobby.

    No he could not, because North Korea is not appeasible on the security front. Kim is not the Lone Ranger worried about US invading and overthrowing him, he is working for China, which has got his back whatever happens.

    Why can’t the US agree to NK’s demands? The US could easily withdraw from the Korean peninsula and tell South Korea and Japan to deal with NK themselves. Are you saying that the US can’t do this? Why not? NK might be a threat to SK and Japan, but how would it be a threat to the US?

    Kim is a Chinese attack dog, and the only way to get him called off is to make concessions to China on trade, so Trump cannot focus on rebuilding the economy at home with favorable trade policy unless he ceases to wander through the maze of peace and nuclear disarmament that wily oriental mercantilists led by China are trying to mystify him with.

    Why does agreeing to NK’s demands entail making trade concessions to China? Like I said, the US could agree to NK’s demands, withdraw from East Asia, and let SK, Japan, Russia, and anyone else deal with NK if they feel threatened. There’s no reason to make trade or any other concessions, unless the US insists on being involved in the region.

    Strong military forces should be maintained in Korea and South Korea should be made to pay for them, Japan too.

    How does the US do this without making concessions to SK and Japan? Both SK and Japan have a large trading relationship with China, and significant constituencies that favor a closer relationship with China and accommodating Chinese regional hegemony and opposing US influence in the region. The US makes trade and other concessions to SK, Japan and others, even places like Australia where the US accepted refugee transfers from, in order to get them to go along with US foreign policy against China.

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  74. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
     
    How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non EU trade? You don't see many US, Japanese, or Chinese goods in Europe.

    I’ve even bought remote control cars and video games in Germany that were made in Germany clothes too.

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  75. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Was I dreaming?

    Last night, I thought I saw here at Unz Review a subsequent column from Mr. Whitney entitled something like, “Can We Call It A Coup Now?”

    But now I can’t find it, here or elsewhere.

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