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The election of Donald Trump has sent millions of people pouring out onto the streets to protest a man they think is a racist, misogynist, xenophobic bully who will destroy US democracy in his quest to establish himself as supreme fascist ruler of the country.

Maybe they’re right. Maybe Trump is a fascist who will destroy America. But where were these people when Obama was bombing wedding parties in Kandahar, or training jihadist militants to fight in Syria, or abetting NATO’s destructive onslaught on Libya, or plunging Ukraine into fratricidal warfare, or collecting the phone records of innocent Americans, or deporting hundreds of thousands of undocumented workers, or force-feeding prisoners at Gitmo, or providing bombs and aircraft to the Saudis to continue their genocidal war against Yemen?

Where were they?

They were asleep, weren’t they? Because liberals always sleep when their man is in office, particularly if their man is a smooth-talking cosmopolitan snake-charmer like Obama who croons about personal freedom and democracy while unleashing the most unspeakable violence on civilians across the Middle East and Central Asia.

The United States has been at war for eight straight years under Obama, and during that time, there hasn’t been one sizable antiwar march, demonstration or protest. Nothing. No one seems to care when an articulate bi-racial mandarin kills mostly people of color, but when a brash and outspoken real estate magnate takes over the reigns of power, then ‘watch out’ because here come the protestors, all three million of them!

Can we agree that there is at least the appearance of hypocrisy here?

Indeed. Analyst Jon Reynolds summed it up perfectly over at the Black Agenda Report. He said:

“If Hillary had won, the drone strikes would have continued. The wars would have continued. The spying would continue. Whistleblowers would continue being prosecuted and hunted down. And minorities would continue bearing the brunt of these policies, both in the US and across the world. The difference is that in such a scenario, Democrats, if the last eight years are any indication, would remain silent — as they did under Obama — offering bare minimum concern and vilifying anyone attacking their beloved president as some sort of hater. Cities across the US would remain free of protests, and for another 4-8 years, Democrats would continue doing absolutely nothing to end the same horrifying policies now promoted by a Republican.” (“Delusions Shattered“, Jon Reynolds, The Black Agenda Report)

He’s right, isn’t he? How many of the 800,000 protesters who marched on Sunday would have flown to Washington to express their contempt for would-be President Hillary Clinton?

Zero, I’d wager, and yet it’s Hillary who wanted to implement the no-fly zones in Syria that would have put Washington in direct confrontation with Moscow, just like it was Hillary who wanted to teach Putin a-thing-or-two in Ukraine. But is that what the people want? Would people prefer to be led into World War 3 by a bonefide champion of liberal values than concede the post to a brassy billionaire who wants to find common ground on fighting ISIS with his Russian counterpart?

It seems like a no-brainer to me. And it’s not like we don’t know who is responsible for the killing in Syria either. We do.

Barack Obama and his coterie of bloodthirsty friends in the political establishment are entirely responsible. These are the people who funded, armed and trained the Salafist maniacs that have decimated the country and created millions of refugees that are now tearing apart the EU. That’s right, the spillover from America’s not-so-covert operation is ripping the EU to shreds. It’s just another unfortunate side-effect of Obama’s bloody Syrian debacle. As journalist Margaret Kimberly says in a recent post at The Black Agenda Report: “All of the casualties, the sieges, the hunger and the frantic search for refuge can be placed at America’s feet.”

Amen, to that. All the violence can be traced back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, home of Barack Hussein Obama, Nobel peace prize winner. What a joke. Here’s how analyst Solomon Comissiong sums it up in another article at the BAR:

“Supporters of Barack Obama, and liberals in general, are disingenuous frauds. They had no issues protesting the likes of the amoral warmongering George W. Bush or the racist xenophobe, Donald J. Trump, however when it comes to Barack Obama they can find no reason to protest his mass murdering escapades. Obama supporters were recently nostalgic and teary eyed after he gave his last major speech as president of the United States, yet can find little reason to shed tears over the masses of civilians who were destroyed directly as a result of Obama’s policies. Where were the emotions and tears when men, women and children were getting blown to bits by USA drone attacks, indiscriminate air strikes and bombs?…Those who protested the racist and xenophobic Trump, but not Obama or Clinton, are nothing more that disingenuous frauds and amoral cowards.” (“As Obama Exits the White House, Never Forget His Destructive Imperialist Legacy“, Solomon Comissiong, Black Agenda Report)

Let’s be honest, Obama got a pass from his supporters strictly because of appearances; because he looked and sounded like a thoroughly reasonable bloke who only acted on the loftiest of principles. Obama was hailed as a moral giant, a political rock star, a leader among leaders. But it was all fake, all make-up and glitz behind which operated the vicious national security state extending its tentacles around the world, toppling regimes wherever it went, and leaving anarchy and destruction in its wake. Isn’t this Obama’s real legacy when you strip away the sweeping hand gestures and pompous rhetoric?

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Of course it is. But Trump won’t have that advantage, will he? Trump is not a public relations invention upon which heartsick liberals pin their highest hopes. Trump is Trump warts and all, the proverbial bull in the china shop. That’s not to say Trump won’t be a lousy president. Judging by the Wall Street cutthroats and hard-edged military men he’s surrounded himself with, he probably will be. But the American people are no longer asleep, so there’s going to be limits to what he can hope to achieve.

So the question is: How should one approach the Trump presidency? Should we denounce him as a fascist before he ever sets foot in the Oval Office? Should we deny his “legitimacy” even though he was elected via a process we have honored for over 200 years? Should we launch impeachment proceedings before he’s done anything that would warrant his removal from office?

Veteran journalist Robert Parry answers this question in a recent piece at Consortium News. Here’s what he said:

“The current danger for Democrats and progressives is that – by bashing everything that Trump says and does – they will further alienate the white working-class voters who became his base and will push away anti-war activists.

There is a risk that the Left will trade places with the Right on the question of war and peace, with Democrats and progressives associating themselves with Hillary Clinton’s support for “endless war” in the Middle East, the political machinations of the CIA, and a New Cold War with Russia, essentially moving into an alliance with the Military (and Intelligence) Industrial Complex.

Many populists already view the national Democrats as elitists disdainful of the working class, promoters of harmful “free trade” deals, and internationalists represented by the billionaires at the glitzy annual confab in Davos, Switzerland.

If — in a rush to demonize and impeach President Trump — Democrats and progressives solidify support for wars of choice in the Middle East, a New Cold War with Russia and a Davos-style elitism, they could further alienate many people who might otherwise be their allies.

In other words, selectivity in opposing and criticizing Trump – where he rightly deserves it – rather than opportunism in rejecting everything that Trump says might make more sense. A movement built entirely on destroying Trump could drop Democrats and progressives into some politically destructive traps.” (“Selectivity in Trashing Trump“, Robert Parry, Consortium News)

Right on, Bob. A very reasonable approach to a very thorny situation.

Bravo!

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Okay fact is that democrats are always forgiven for the very same transgressions which would bring the consolidated wrath of media, academia and hollywood upon republicans, amen.

    Secondly this article completely omits the “Insanity” factor of liberals/democrats as if it does not even exist : Unredeemable democrats are in fact insane, and there is no getting around this bizarre truth.

    In Germany for example, a leftist nuthouse beyond repair, the media, all of academia and every single name politician including all of the so-called “Conservatives” with exception of the gov of Bavaria have come out against DT, and they have gone so far as to say they know HC means war but she is still better than DT, meaning they, the Germans, prefer war to seeing DT as US president, now try and figure this one out without considering the “Insanity” factor.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz aritsrt.

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    Think about this topic that the crazy liberals and women's march are not thinking about - Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and now starbucks that wants to open up our borders to all the immigrants in the world and crying boo hood, we don't have enough talent...think about how many employees that are unable to vet that are from a culture and or religion that supports genital mutilation of women. Where are they on that front? We need to revisit what constitutes a religion or a culture that we accept in this country we cannot accept those that do not respect human rights. It is amazing that these rich, childish, and ignorant company heads that have benefited on the backs of many generations of Americans in this country that have sacrificed have the audacity to dedicated millions to enable this to continue. Instead, they should be supporting president trump in dedicating money and technology to protect our legal citizens.
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  2. Double Standards: Where Were the Liberal Protestors During Obama’s Wars?

    It’s not double standards, it’s doublethink. War is peace, ignorance is strength, and so on. The doubleplusgood Ingsoc members eagerly participate in their hate-weeks, the proles mostly don’t care. What else is new.

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  3. mtn cur says:

    Obama/Bush has only bombed people for their own good for about a decade and a half; the USA has done this for at least seven decades, not counting banana wars.

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  4. nsa says:

    Whitney is a master of not stating the obvious: the jooie elites favor the destruction of the ME to minimize any possible annoyance to their precious little jooie state. The vile traitorous KM (kosher media) then rams the idea down the American public’s throat and the sheeplike goy morons, both rightie and leftie, both R and D, go along with it. Is it not time for the jooies to do their own killing on their own nickel with their own army and suffer their own consequences…and leave the rest of us out of it?

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Yup.
    Same goes for we Britons.
    "Our" pols are generally puppets for the money men, either Jews ot the House of Suad- a few even manage to take "campaign funding" and part-time consultancies from both, or from other interests, but it's high time our youth's blood is no longer spilled for foreign interests.
    , @Wally
    Why does Hollywood & 'the media' support Israel whose immigration laws specify JEWS ONLY?

    Why don't we see Hollywood & 'the media' criticizing Israel and it's enormous WALL.

    What Hollywood & 'the media' praise about Israel they criticize about the US.

    Who is their loyalty to?

    , @Debbie Menon
    @nsa

    Jews in Germany never even came close to the degree of control they now have in the United States, and are rapidly acquiring in other countries (e.g., Canada, UK, Australia – wonder why the Anglo countries are so susceptible?)

    They control every influential institution in the United States.I don't think any US President can escape them. They are like an albatross around America's neck. Because Trump did not mention "Israel is our ally" in his inaugural address, even the pro-Trump jews were scrambling on all the networks to express their disappointment that he did not mention America's allies!

    Obama atleast denied Netanyahu the photo-ops he is accustomed to with the President of the United States.

    Thanks to Jared Kushner the fixer, you will see Netanyahu prancing and posing, pivoting and preening, during his visit in February to meet Donald Trump.

  5. Diogenes says:

    “Double Standards” is a euphemism for hypocrisy. American Liberals [Democrats] and Republicans [Conservatives] are really neither in the true sense of the word they are hypocrites because they espouse a particular set of laudable political beliefs but endorse, by their actions, the opposite.

    The American electorate is self-deluding and fraudulent just as their political class is a fraudulent and their so called “Democracy” is fraudulent.

    So Obama supporters didn’t protest his policies because they weren’t true Liberals and those that protest Trump are just pretending to be true Liberals but they are really hypocrites.

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  6. woodNfish says:

    racist xenophobe, Donald J. Trump

    Unsupportable bullshit, but understandable considering the source. Leftists always see in others exactly what the Leftists are. It’s part of their big lie.

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  7. Here is a great review of Obama’s wars and mass destruction.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Recall that pre-Obama inauguration 2009, Israel bombed the hell out of Gaza-- Protest marches??

    Mark Bruzonsky talks about being on the Mall, caught up in the "hoopla" and "hope and change" and "o my god we finally did it, voted for a black man," but in reality, Bruzonsky said, the people behind that black man were the same old same old -- the Jewish lobby --
    Remember?
    Dennis Ross
    Rahm Emanuel
    "cater to the interest groups and those who have brought him to the position he is in"

    (audio) https://archive.org/details/TalkNationRadioInterviewsMarkBruzonskyOnObamaGazaAndAipac--Hope

    Earlier, Bruzonsky described exactly how the Jewish lobby selected Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqO1cSASWM

  8. And what’s the real American problem?They never had and have Peace too who?: The Indians, for Christ! Ever and ever promises, like the Americans do Worldwide. Go home Yankees, please be calm, cool and corrected.

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  9. Lepanto says:

    One note on Reynolds words ‘minorities across the world.’ Think about that. Is he saying, for example, that the Black population of Africa is a ‘minority population?’ Are the Chinese ‘minorities?’ In terms of the world as a whole? Reynolds is universalizing American demographics. Strange – but no surprise in our strange world.

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  10. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Yes, the central question shouldn’t be about ‘should we be welcoming refugees?’ but about ‘how did they become refugees in the first place?’

    BECAUSE Obama expanded Bush’s wars.

    It is a paradox of American Politics.

    In a way, the Pentagon prefers the more pro-military GOP.
    BUT, Pentagon comes under less opposition if Democrats rule Washington.

    When Bush was at the helm, there was an anti-war movement.

    Obama may have pissed off the military with his homo agenda, BUT there was almost no opposition to his wars, and the military had a free hand in messing up the Middle East.

    Traditionally, with GOP in power, the military had wind on its back but opposition wind in its face.
    With Dems in power, the military has less wind on its back but also less opposition wind in its face.

    I don’t mind strong anti-war sentiment during Trump administration. Maybe it will check him any escalation with China or Iran.

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  11. Jason Liu says:

    It’s more than that. The left cares more about domestic issues and fighting their enemies at home.

    If they talk about foreign policy, it’s usually just to use geopolitics as a means to say their guy did it right, and their enemies did it wrong. Have a look at any comment section on international stories in leftist sites.

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  12. whorefinder says: • Website

    George Soros had to spend his money somewhere; astroturfing protests is what he does when the D’s aren’t in power.

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  13. Thirdeye says:

    A “left” that is pro-imperialist, pro-war, and anti-working class is no longer a left. Its only distinguishing value is sacrifice of civil and legal principles, rationality, and common social values on the altar of “diversity” and historical grievance. It is nothing but a tool for a faction of the ruling class to gain power and a license for high crimes and misdemeeanors by fomenting social division and undermining social cohesiveness.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Agree. Mr. Obama - a monumental fake himself - has helped to unveil the thorough fakery of American left.
    More on the same: "The Left Is Self-Destructing" by Paul Craig Roberts
    "One might think that Amnesty International should be fighting against the Bush/Cheney/Obama regime wars that have produced the refugees by killing and displacing millions of Muslims. For example, the ongoing war that Obama inflicted on Yemen results in the death of one Yemeni child every 10 minutes, according to UNICEF. Where is Amnesty International?
    Clearly America’s wars on Muslims wreck far more lives than Trump’s ban on immigrants. Why the focus on an immigration ban and not on wars that produce refugees? Is it because Obama is responsible for war and Trump for the ban? Is the liberal/progressive/left projecting Obama’s monstrous crimes onto Trump? Is it that we must hate Trump and not Obama?"
    , @animalogic
    Great comment & great article.
    In some ways liberals/progressives are guilty of even greater shame & disgrace (who would have guessed ? LOL ).
    I refer to the instalation of
    G W Bush by judicial fiat rather than democratic process. Where were the millions fighting against such a fundamental attack on democracy ? On principle, regardless of party affiliation, the country should have been brought to a standstill.
    Now, of course, Trump is elected through the democratic process, & millions come out to scream the illegitimacy of his presidency: not only a disgrace, but fascistic & anti-democratic disgrace.
    Elites may have the primary responsibility for the corruption of US democracy, but such a grossly lazy & hypocritical citizenry facilitated that corruption.
  14. polistra says:

    Nothing really new except the intensity. The same thing happened in 1969. Some principled religious folks were already protesting Vietnam when LBJ ran it, but the hippies didn’t get active until Nixon bought the war.

    Nixon was elected on a promise to wind it down, so logically the protests should have calmed down to give him a chance to fulfill the promise. Logic and principle had nothing to do with the protests. We were simply mindless tools of the Democrat Party, which hated Nixon PERSONALLY in the same way they now hate Trump PERSONALLY.

    (In the end Nixon DIDN’T fulfill the promise to pull out, but we had no way of knowing that in January 1969.)

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  15. Che Guava says:

    Well said, Mr. Whitney.

    The extreme hypocrisy of most of the western left does not go without notice from outside.

    Also, kudos for your writing style, I rate it as very good. You are among the several bright spots that keep me to checking Counterpunch on-line once or twice a week.

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  16. @Carlton Meyer
    Here is a great review of Obama's wars and mass destruction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77CcQQjj2Ao

    Recall that pre-Obama inauguration 2009, Israel bombed the hell out of Gaza– Protest marches??

    Mark Bruzonsky talks about being on the Mall, caught up in the “hoopla” and “hope and change” and “o my god we finally did it, voted for a black man,” but in reality, Bruzonsky said, the people behind that black man were the same old same old — the Jewish lobby —
    Remember?
    Dennis Ross
    Rahm Emanuel
    “cater to the interest groups and those who have brought him to the position he is in”

    (audio) https://archive.org/details/TalkNationRadioInterviewsMarkBruzonskyOnObamaGazaAndAipac–Hope

    Earlier, Bruzonsky described exactly how the Jewish lobby selected Obama

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    • Replies: @helena
    My worry is that the Left's embracing of Islam as a counter-balance to Jewish power has led us to an incredibly dangerous situation. Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women's march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump's ban - people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can't recall - were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished. These latest rounds of demonstrations are probably going to scupper Brexit and put the US in a very bad position globally plus, of course, there is the issue of where a lot of oil is.
  17. You mean like mind our own (wretched) business? Never happen. The Puritan/pietist/ do-gooder ethic is still with us. The political parasites are a permanent scourge too.

    But hey, we’re special. We’ve been chosen to be the light and the redeemer of the world, doncha know? ;)

    PS: For those who think this is a leftie/rightie thingy, I got news for ya. That concept’s another false dichotomy similar to the mythological R/D divide. Effectively there is precious little difference between the policies of the left or the right as far as I can see. Mainly it’s labels and rhetoric that distinguish the two.

    Please take note that there are no real political solutions for problems of a moral or spiritual nature, and there are no political cures for human nature, either. Political solutions are just another form of false gawds.

    Keep paying them there taxes; what would the Bush/Obama/ Trump/ Hillary/McCain parasite crowd do without ‘em?

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  18. Why didn’t conservatives organise such demos themselves?
    Do you need a nanny to do everything for you, from wiping your arses to putting that big X on a ballot?

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  19. Abandoned their antiwar vigil in front of Bush W’s fake ranch….dropped Gold Star Mom Cindy Sheehan like a hot Potato….partied on Dear Leaders’ Inaugural Day at a trendy White Liberal wine and cheese bar downtown Northport…….down from Jack Kerouac’s old watering hole Gunther’s……..and they chanted:”WAR IS NOW PEACE……NUKE THE GD CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN RUSSKIES…….IN THE NAME OF LEGALIZED HOMO-PEDOPHILE MARRIAGE!!!”

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  20. “No enemies to the Left.”

    That, and the fact that everyone to the right is the enemy of any leftist is all you need to know to anaylze the behavior of the Left.

    There are no other morals or principles, it’s politics (the revolution!) 24/7/365. Any morals or principles they pretend to display are camoflouge.

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  21. tjm says:

    Because this is not about “liberalism”, it’s about manipulation through social media. The anti American Zionists, like George Soros and his ilk, are working to turn Americana into another California.

    The media would like you to believe all liberals think this way, but that is a lie, just another piece of manipulation they ARE pulling off.

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  22. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Recall that pre-Obama inauguration 2009, Israel bombed the hell out of Gaza-- Protest marches??

    Mark Bruzonsky talks about being on the Mall, caught up in the "hoopla" and "hope and change" and "o my god we finally did it, voted for a black man," but in reality, Bruzonsky said, the people behind that black man were the same old same old -- the Jewish lobby --
    Remember?
    Dennis Ross
    Rahm Emanuel
    "cater to the interest groups and those who have brought him to the position he is in"

    (audio) https://archive.org/details/TalkNationRadioInterviewsMarkBruzonskyOnObamaGazaAndAipac--Hope

    Earlier, Bruzonsky described exactly how the Jewish lobby selected Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqO1cSASWM

    My worry is that the Left’s embracing of Islam as a counter-balance to Jewish power has led us to an incredibly dangerous situation. Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women’s march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished. These latest rounds of demonstrations are probably going to scupper Brexit and put the US in a very bad position globally plus, of course, there is the issue of where a lot of oil is.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women’s march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.
     
    Please, helena, take a deep breath, sit down, have a cup of tea, put down your bible and assess the situation more thoroughly.

    for example, consider this re-write of your expression of anxiety:


    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing Oh Danny Boy at the women’s march [not to mention the bagpipes at the Inauguration!!]? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Irisg. It really is beginning to look as if the Irish ideal of re-instituting Tammany Hall is all but accomplished.
     
    or how about this:

    Did you see the video clip of a large convention-center- full of people, including most US legislators, waving Israeli flags at AIPAC conference over the last 10+ years and singing Hahtikvah ? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Jewish. It really is beginning to look as if the zionist-Bolshevik ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.
     
    Ciao

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IltGnkbYp8

  23. @helena
    My worry is that the Left's embracing of Islam as a counter-balance to Jewish power has led us to an incredibly dangerous situation. Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women's march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump's ban - people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can't recall - were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished. These latest rounds of demonstrations are probably going to scupper Brexit and put the US in a very bad position globally plus, of course, there is the issue of where a lot of oil is.

    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women’s march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.

    Please, helena, take a deep breath, sit down, have a cup of tea, put down your bible and assess the situation more thoroughly.

    for example, consider this re-write of your expression of anxiety:

    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing Oh Danny Boy at the women’s march [not to mention the bagpipes at the Inauguration!!]? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Irisg. It really is beginning to look as if the Irish ideal of re-instituting Tammany Hall is all but accomplished.

    or how about this:

    Did you see the video clip of a large convention-center- full of people, including most US legislators, waving Israeli flags at AIPAC conference over the last 10+ years and singing Hahtikvah ? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Jewish. It really is beginning to look as if the zionist-Bolshevik ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.

    Ciao

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    • Replies: @helena
    I don't see what point you're trying to make. I've listened to 3 hours of debate in the House of Commons and can only conclude that the Labour Party of the UK is more concerned for the welfare of British muslims and the rest of the muslim world than it is for all citizens of Britain that it is supposed to represent. It is utterly extraordinary.
  24. Political labels are the most misleading thing ever devised. “Liberal” means whatever a power center with sufficient clout wants it to mean. It can also mean whatever the foolish, the light-brained, or the deluded choose it to mean. Fly the LGBT banner and you can commit ‘peaceful genocide’ a la Obama; talk sweet, go for the big lie, and you can get rake in all the loot you want a la the Clintons.

    Now where were the liberal protesters during Obama’s times? Depends upon what you mean by ‘liberal’. However, since ‘liberal’ is merely a placeholder for ‘foolish’ or ‘deluded’ or ‘nice people’ or other possible things, the question is essentially unanswerable. The one lesson the “progressives”, “liberals”, “socialists”, and “democrats” have taught us is that whenever they use sweet sounding words we should watch out for our lives, our rights, and our pockets.

    Trump, very oddly for a politician, happens to use words to mean what they do per standard dictionaries, thereby depriving the deluded of their dreams and the politically correct of their lexical fantasies. An establishment and media grown fat and bloated on a diet of fancy words, doublethink, and doubletalk have had their ration suddenly cut. Oh boy, that hurts, that really hurts. So, egged on by the media and the power behind it, the deluded pack their dreams in their backpacks and take to the streets to protest the loss of their kingdom of high-sounding words, their fantasy liberal paradise. That is why they were not to be seen during Obama’s times.

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  25. Obe says:
    @Che Guava
    Well said, Mr. Whitney.

    The extreme hypocrisy of most of the western left does not go without notice from outside.

    Also, kudos for your writing style, I rate it as very good. You are among the several bright spots that keep me to checking Counterpunch on-line once or twice a week.

    Touche, Che!

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    I don't understanding the flow of this comment, but touche to you, too, Obe!
  26. densa says:

    Thanks for saying this, Whitney. Where were Schumer’s tears when Obama created these refugees? Obama, Clinton, Schumer and the rest were given cover by the media that now tries to shift the attention and blame from the consequences of their alleged democracy spreading. Now the problem is not the creation of the refugees, but that you don’t embrace them. The same powers are now trying a color revolution on our own soil. There is no Left left, not as it once claimed itself to be, as antiwar and a champion of the working class. For all practical purposes they fight against us not for us.

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    But there have been a lot of tears of joy on the Wall Street:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/glass-steagall-can-save-u-s-another-epic-crash-pam-martens/
    "The most important facet of Dodd-Frank, to force the Wall Street banks to “push out” their risky derivatives from their taxpayer insured, deposit-taking bank unit, was repealed by Citigroup in 2014 [hey, Obama!] by effectively forcing an amendment onto the government’s must-pass spending bill in 2014. ... On September 30, 2016, the six largest derivative banks held $211.7 trillion in derivatives versus $179.1 trillion on the same date in 2008. Citigroup, which imploded in 2008 from its irresponsible gambles in derivatives and subprime debt has gone from holding $38.2 trillion in notional derivatives (face amount) at the time of its crash in 2008 to $51.8 trillion today – an increase of 36 percent."

    "Citigroup chose Obama’s 2008 cabinet, WikiLeaks document reveals" - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/15/wiki-o15.html
    And yet the "progressives" cannot have enough of the puppet with charms

  27. Begemot says:

    This reminds me of when the Tea Party people appeared shortly after Obama was elected. I asked a friend who was sympathetic to the demonstrators what they were protesting. His reply was over spending by the government and the over reach of government power, etc. Having seen what the Bush years had done to the cause of limited government I asked my friend, “Then where the hell have these people been these last eight years?”

    “Conservatives” are just as hypocritical as “liberals”.

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  28. annamaria says:
    @Thirdeye
    A "left" that is pro-imperialist, pro-war, and anti-working class is no longer a left. Its only distinguishing value is sacrifice of civil and legal principles, rationality, and common social values on the altar of "diversity" and historical grievance. It is nothing but a tool for a faction of the ruling class to gain power and a license for high crimes and misdemeeanors by fomenting social division and undermining social cohesiveness.

    Agree. Mr. Obama – a monumental fake himself – has helped to unveil the thorough fakery of American left.
    More on the same: “The Left Is Self-Destructing” by Paul Craig Roberts
    “One might think that Amnesty International should be fighting against the Bush/Cheney/Obama regime wars that have produced the refugees by killing and displacing millions of Muslims. For example, the ongoing war that Obama inflicted on Yemen results in the death of one Yemeni child every 10 minutes, according to UNICEF. Where is Amnesty International?
    Clearly America’s wars on Muslims wreck far more lives than Trump’s ban on immigrants. Why the focus on an immigration ban and not on wars that produce refugees? Is it because Obama is responsible for war and Trump for the ban? Is the liberal/progressive/left projecting Obama’s monstrous crimes onto Trump? Is it that we must hate Trump and not Obama?”

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  29. annamaria says:
    @densa
    Thanks for saying this, Whitney. Where were Schumer's tears when Obama created these refugees? Obama, Clinton, Schumer and the rest were given cover by the media that now tries to shift the attention and blame from the consequences of their alleged democracy spreading. Now the problem is not the creation of the refugees, but that you don't embrace them. The same powers are now trying a color revolution on our own soil. There is no Left left, not as it once claimed itself to be, as antiwar and a champion of the working class. For all practical purposes they fight against us not for us.

    But there have been a lot of tears of joy on the Wall Street:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/glass-steagall-can-save-u-s-another-epic-crash-pam-martens/

    “The most important facet of Dodd-Frank, to force the Wall Street banks to “push out” their risky derivatives from their taxpayer insured, deposit-taking bank unit, was repealed by Citigroup in 2014 [hey, Obama!] by effectively forcing an amendment onto the government’s must-pass spending bill in 2014. … On September 30, 2016, the six largest derivative banks held $211.7 trillion in derivatives versus $179.1 trillion on the same date in 2008. Citigroup, which imploded in 2008 from its irresponsible gambles in derivatives and subprime debt has gone from holding $38.2 trillion in notional derivatives (face amount) at the time of its crash in 2008 to $51.8 trillion today – an increase of 36 percent.”

    “Citigroup chose Obama’s 2008 cabinet, WikiLeaks document reveals” – https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/15/wiki-o15.html
    And yet the “progressives” cannot have enough of the puppet with charms

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  30. @Authenticjazzman
    Okay fact is that democrats are always forgiven for the very same transgressions which would bring the consolidated wrath of media, academia and hollywood upon republicans, amen.

    Secondly this article completely omits the "Insanity" factor of liberals/democrats as if it does not even exist : Unredeemable democrats are in fact insane, and there is no getting around this bizarre truth.

    In Germany for example, a leftist nuthouse beyond repair, the media, all of academia and every single name politician including all of the so-called "Conservatives" with exception of the gov of Bavaria have come out against DT, and they have gone so far as to say they know HC means war but she is still better than DT, meaning they, the Germans, prefer war to seeing DT as US president, now try and figure this one out without considering the "Insanity" factor.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz aritsrt.

    Think about this topic that the crazy liberals and women’s march are not thinking about – Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and now starbucks that wants to open up our borders to all the immigrants in the world and crying boo hood, we don’t have enough talent…think about how many employees that are unable to vet that are from a culture and or religion that supports genital mutilation of women. Where are they on that front? We need to revisit what constitutes a religion or a culture that we accept in this country we cannot accept those that do not respect human rights. It is amazing that these rich, childish, and ignorant company heads that have benefited on the backs of many generations of Americans in this country that have sacrificed have the audacity to dedicated millions to enable this to continue. Instead, they should be supporting president trump in dedicating money and technology to protect our legal citizens.

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  31. annamaria says:

    The Bush/Obama legacy in Afghanistan:
    “The United States is spending $4 million an hour on planes, drones, bombs, guns, and over-priced contractors in a country that needs food and agricultural equipment, much of which could be provided by U.S. businesses. Thus far, the United States has spent an outrageous $783 billion with virtually nothing to show for it except the death of thousands of U.S. soldiers, and the death, injury and displacement of millions of Afghans. The Afghanistan War has been and will continue to be, as long as it lasts, a steady source of scandalous stories of fraud and waste. Even as an investment in the U.S. economy this war has been a bust.”

    http://worldbeyondwar.org/?link_id=0&can_id=7104eb5b289610aaf21950a2f4c0598f&source=email-tell-trump-end-us-war-in-afghanistan&email_referrer=tell-trump-end-us-war-in-afghanistan&email_subject=tell-trump-end-us-war-in-afghanistan

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  32. “In other words, selectivity in opposing and criticizing Trump – where he rightly deserves it – rather than opportunism in rejecting everything that Trump says might make more sense.”

    Absolutely correct, that would make more sense, which is why today’s Democrats are never going to take that approach. They’re comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims, in case you haven’t noticed. Instead of offering critiques of Trump that a normal adult could appreciate, they will continue to constantly shriek that the Fourth Reich is upon us and that any sensible immigration restriction is the equivalent of kristallnacht.

    And I for one am relishing it. The Democrats and their Leftist “anti-fascist” foot soldiers are alienating themselves from the rest of the country to the point of irrelevancy. Yes, that means Trump has no effective opposition to keep him in check. But I’ll gladly take Trump without an effective opposition, for all of his faults, over a Democrat administration facing no effective opposition as the Dems would further our national suicide.

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    "...Trump has no effective opposition to keep him in check. "
    Actually we do nee d a healthy counterbalance. For instance:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-orders-military-to-prepare-for-world-war/5571520
    "Trump Orders Military to Prepare for World War," by Tom Eley
    "The order [Rebuilding the US Armed Forces] unmistakably threatens the use of nuclear weapons. Section 3 calls for a nuclear force “to deter 21st century threats” and, menacingly, to “achieve Presidential objectives should deterrence fail.” It further calls for a plan “to achieve readiness objectives” for the use of the nuclear arsenal “by 2022.” This would include the “modernization” of the US nuclear force, a greatly expanded missile defense system, and increased emphasis on cyber warfare, which aims to cripple the retaliatory capacity of major adversaries by targeting their digital and telecommunication command structures prior to an American strike.
    These actions follow on a move by the Obama administration to implement a $1 trillion upgrade in the country’s nuclear arsenal.
    The executive action did not put a price tag on new military spending, but media speculation indicates that the figure could approach an additional $100 billion per year. Trump’s military plans hew closely to a Heritage Foundation proposal that calls for the revamping of the nuclear force, the expansion of the Navy to 350 ships, the Air Force to 1,200 fighter and attack jets, the Marine Corps from 24 to 36 divisions, and the Army to more than a half a million soldiers. The US currently spends approximately $600 billion on its military annually—excluding expenditures on the intelligence agencies and Veterans Administration— more than the next nine largest military spenders combined. American “defense” spending accounts for, by itself, over one third of all global military spending, and it consumes the great majority of the federal discretionary budget.
    Increases in military spending, coupled with Trump’s promises to drastically lower taxes on corporations and the rich, must inevitably be paid for by cuts to education, health care and infrastructure, and by plundering Social Security and Medicare."
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " They're comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims"

    Nope this is not who they are and what they are engaged in , rather fact is they are communist foot soldiers for the marxist elite which is striving for a world marxist government and no borders, no nation states.

    It will not help matters to redundantly euphemize the actual situation, and hold our heads in the sand.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
  33. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing alluha akbah at the women’s march? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were muslim. It really is beginning to look as if the Islamic ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.
     
    Please, helena, take a deep breath, sit down, have a cup of tea, put down your bible and assess the situation more thoroughly.

    for example, consider this re-write of your expression of anxiety:


    Did you see the video clip of a woman singing Oh Danny Boy at the women’s march [not to mention the bagpipes at the Inauguration!!]? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Irisg. It really is beginning to look as if the Irish ideal of re-instituting Tammany Hall is all but accomplished.
     
    or how about this:

    Did you see the video clip of a large convention-center- full of people, including most US legislators, waving Israeli flags at AIPAC conference over the last 10+ years and singing Hahtikvah ? Watching the News just now I was taken aback by how many people speaking out against Trump’s ban – people with senior positions in UNHCR, Canadian government, London mayor, and other organisations I can’t recall – were Jewish. It really is beginning to look as if the zionist-Bolshevik ideal of conquering the West is all but accomplished.
     
    Ciao

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IltGnkbYp8

    I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. I’ve listened to 3 hours of debate in the House of Commons and can only conclude that the Labour Party of the UK is more concerned for the welfare of British muslims and the rest of the muslim world than it is for all citizens of Britain that it is supposed to represent. It is utterly extraordinary.

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    Apologies, helena; I too often resort to sarcasm. "Sarcasm is like watering the garden with saltwater."

    As well, I'm not British. It's my impression that there are far more Muslims in Britain than in the US, in raw numbers and proportionally. At the same time, you Brits have a lot to answer for, in my (jaundiced) view; you've been responsible for despoiling many a Muslim state -- what comes around goes around. My sense of the turmoil in the Middle East is based on lectures of the history of the era by Salim Yaqub; they starting off with the observation of the double-dealing of Sykes-Picot and the Balfour declaration; and Wilson's betrayal of his 14 Points promises of self determination to Ottoman states, at Versailles. Perhaps I should move beyond that, but foundations are important, and it is impossible to ignore the enormity of those twin betrayals; they still demand redress.

    EDIT: I must add that my impression is that Jewish/Israeli/zionist influence over US government, for the last 90+ years, is a far larger problem in USA than the presence of Muslims.

    There's a small college in USA whose president worships Churchill and endorses British values; he's fond of repeating, "The British did not build an empire by refraining from being brutal." I don't endorse "brutality" as a value my country should emulate, mostly because (see above): What comes around goes around.

    Am I saying that the British people deserve to be overwhelmed by Muslims? No.
    Rather, I would say, You've got your problems, based on your historical behaviors, and we in the USA have ours, based on different historical behaviors. May the gods help both of us to resolve our situations with wisdom and character.

  34. Throughout the Reagan-Bush years, liberals and the MSM especially, railed about “the homeless.” Sob stories were on the Nightly News and in the major “news” magazines all the time.

    “Republican policies have made thousands and thousands homeless.” Over and over.

    When Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, the homeless disappeared from the national conversation and were never heard from again.

    There was a brief attempt to bring back the homeless when Bush 43 took office in 2001, but it didn’t get off the ground.

    How long before “the homeless” appear again and their plight blamed on President Donald Trump?

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  35. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    These refugees ought to be called ‘refugees from globalist imperialism’.

    That way, it will be difficult for the Prog-Glob-elitists to feign compassion as saviors of these people. THEY are the ones who fomented the wars(in cahoots with Neocon Globalists) that turned Middle East and North Africa into a horror-show that led to the Refugee Crisis.

    The First Nakba led to the destruction of Palestine, resulting in Palestinian refugees expelled into Lebanon and Jordan.

    After the Cold War, we had the Second, Third, and Fourth Nakba.

    Second Nakba destroyed Iraq and led to massive Iraqi Sunni and Christian refugee migration into Syria.

    Third Nakba destroyed Libya and led to massive African ‘refugee’ invasion into EU.

    Fourth Nakba involved the US working with its proxies, Saudis and Qatar, to foment war in Syria, leading to massive Syrian refugee crisis.

    These people-on-the-move are Refugees from Nakbas fomented by Anglo-Zionist Globlism.

    So, if patriots say, “We don’t want refugees”, they’ve put themselves in a morally defensive position whereas the pro-refugee go on moral offensive with their ‘compassion’.

    But if patriots say “Stop creating these Refugees of Nakba”, they gain the moral high ground by ACCUSING the globalists of causing all these Nakbas that reduce Arabs/Muslims into Refugees without a home.

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  36. CCZ says:

    Here is the “truth” about refugees, from today’s email from the Americans for Responsible Solutions PAC” (gun control advocates):

    “The truth is this: In the history of accepting refugees in this country, none has committed a terrorist attack on our soil.” So, the moral, “keep guns out of the hands of dangerous and hateful people.” Yes, they said gun control for “hateful people.”

    It’s been a difficult week and a half for many of us. Every day, it seems there’s a new assault on the values that have historically defined what it means to be an American.

    On Friday, President Trump announced the start of his Muslim ban proposal. It’s not the first time a president has taken aim at the Constitution under the guise of keeping Americans safe. But rarely has such an assault been so disconnected from the threats we truly face. The truth is this: In the history of accepting refugees in this country, none has committed a terrorist attack on our soil.

    Let’s put it in perspective. There is a group that has proven itself to be far more deadly on American soil. A group that has killed someone once a week for the last two years.

    Toddlers.

    That’s why we’re fighting to ensure guns are kept safe from kids. That’s why we stand up to the gun lobby and fight to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous and hateful people.

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  37. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Shows that the protesters in the streets aren’t just the spontaneous gatherings of outraged people but are the outcome of being organized by operatives. There’s always some people out there who have shown consistency but are small in numbers and don’t get any coverage since they aren’t conducive to whatever narrative is being pushed. There’s nothing spontaneous about any of this. It’s all been planned and led by people who are careful to have a few layers of buffer around them to cover the actual cynical way the dupes in the streets are being used. Things get pushed along by small numbers of active and committed people while the majority is apathetic and confused. This has worked everywhere to undermine legitimate elected authority from Mosaddegh to today.

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  38. anon says: • Disclaimer

    they’re zombies controlled by the media

    (which is owned by the people who make billions from off-shoring)

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  39. Just as the media failed to report on Obama’s endless wars, the hypocrites also failed to inform the public that Obama reserved the right to kill U.S. citizens.

    I bet fewer than 20% of the public realize that ,Obama, the great champion of human rights, killed a citizen without trial or oversight. Imagine the weeping and moaning if Trump were to even entertain the idea that he is not only the world’s policeman, but executioner as well.

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    Trump is doubling down on Obama's extrajudicial killing., and continuing genocidal war on Yemen. Today's threats against Iran by Flynn don't bode well.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/01/31/trump-fulfills-another-campaign-promise-kills-8-year-old-american-girl/
    Trump Fulfills Another Campaign Promise: Kills 8-Year Old American Girl
  40. annamaria says:
    @Deus X. Nihilo
    "In other words, selectivity in opposing and criticizing Trump – where he rightly deserves it – rather than opportunism in rejecting everything that Trump says might make more sense."

    Absolutely correct, that would make more sense, which is why today's Democrats are never going to take that approach. They're comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims, in case you haven't noticed. Instead of offering critiques of Trump that a normal adult could appreciate, they will continue to constantly shriek that the Fourth Reich is upon us and that any sensible immigration restriction is the equivalent of kristallnacht.

    And I for one am relishing it. The Democrats and their Leftist "anti-fascist" foot soldiers are alienating themselves from the rest of the country to the point of irrelevancy. Yes, that means Trump has no effective opposition to keep him in check. But I'll gladly take Trump without an effective opposition, for all of his faults, over a Democrat administration facing no effective opposition as the Dems would further our national suicide.

    “…Trump has no effective opposition to keep him in check. ”
    Actually we do nee d a healthy counterbalance. For instance:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-orders-military-to-prepare-for-world-war/5571520

    “Trump Orders Military to Prepare for World War,” by Tom Eley
    “The order [Rebuilding the US Armed Forces] unmistakably threatens the use of nuclear weapons. Section 3 calls for a nuclear force “to deter 21st century threats” and, menacingly, to “achieve Presidential objectives should deterrence fail.” It further calls for a plan “to achieve readiness objectives” for the use of the nuclear arsenal “by 2022.” This would include the “modernization” of the US nuclear force, a greatly expanded missile defense system, and increased emphasis on cyber warfare, which aims to cripple the retaliatory capacity of major adversaries by targeting their digital and telecommunication command structures prior to an American strike.
    These actions follow on a move by the Obama administration to implement a $1 trillion upgrade in the country’s nuclear arsenal.
    The executive action did not put a price tag on new military spending, but media speculation indicates that the figure could approach an additional $100 billion per year. Trump’s military plans hew closely to a Heritage Foundation proposal that calls for the revamping of the nuclear force, the expansion of the Navy to 350 ships, the Air Force to 1,200 fighter and attack jets, the Marine Corps from 24 to 36 divisions, and the Army to more than a half a million soldiers. The US currently spends approximately $600 billion on its military annually—excluding expenditures on the intelligence agencies and Veterans Administration— more than the next nine largest military spenders combined. American “defense” spending accounts for, by itself, over one third of all global military spending, and it consumes the great majority of the federal discretionary budget.
    Increases in military spending, coupled with Trump’s promises to drastically lower taxes on corporations and the rich, must inevitably be paid for by cuts to education, health care and infrastructure, and by plundering Social Security and Medicare.”

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  41. @helena
    I don't see what point you're trying to make. I've listened to 3 hours of debate in the House of Commons and can only conclude that the Labour Party of the UK is more concerned for the welfare of British muslims and the rest of the muslim world than it is for all citizens of Britain that it is supposed to represent. It is utterly extraordinary.

    Apologies, helena; I too often resort to sarcasm. “Sarcasm is like watering the garden with saltwater.”

    As well, I’m not British. It’s my impression that there are far more Muslims in Britain than in the US, in raw numbers and proportionally. At the same time, you Brits have a lot to answer for, in my (jaundiced) view; you’ve been responsible for despoiling many a Muslim state — what comes around goes around. My sense of the turmoil in the Middle East is based on lectures of the history of the era by Salim Yaqub; they starting off with the observation of the double-dealing of Sykes-Picot and the Balfour declaration; and Wilson’s betrayal of his 14 Points promises of self determination to Ottoman states, at Versailles. Perhaps I should move beyond that, but foundations are important, and it is impossible to ignore the enormity of those twin betrayals; they still demand redress.

    EDIT: I must add that my impression is that Jewish/Israeli/zionist influence over US government, for the last 90+ years, is a far larger problem in USA than the presence of Muslims.

    There’s a small college in USA whose president worships Churchill and endorses British values; he’s fond of repeating, “The British did not build an empire by refraining from being brutal.” I don’t endorse “brutality” as a value my country should emulate, mostly because (see above): What comes around goes around.

    Am I saying that the British people deserve to be overwhelmed by Muslims? No.
    Rather, I would say, You’ve got your problems, based on your historical behaviors, and we in the USA have ours, based on different historical behaviors. May the gods help both of us to resolve our situations with wisdom and character.

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    " You’ve got your problems, based on your historical behaviors, "

    One point of difference between Muslim immigrants to the UK and the USA is that many of the first waves of immigrants to the UK arrived from lands that had been part of the British Empire and were already quite acculturated, spoke English, etc. This is probably decreasingly the case, but I think it is still a factor. I believe more recent immigration to the UK has seen greater numbers from Eastern Europe, and this has created a whole new set of problems.
  42. @nsa
    Whitney is a master of not stating the obvious: the jooie elites favor the destruction of the ME to minimize any possible annoyance to their precious little jooie state. The vile traitorous KM (kosher media) then rams the idea down the American public's throat and the sheeplike goy morons, both rightie and leftie, both R and D, go along with it. Is it not time for the jooies to do their own killing on their own nickel with their own army and suffer their own consequences...and leave the rest of us out of it?

    Yup.
    Same goes for we Britons.
    “Our” pols are generally puppets for the money men, either Jews ot the House of Suad- a few even manage to take “campaign funding” and part-time consultancies from both, or from other interests, but it’s high time our youth’s blood is no longer spilled for foreign interests.

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  43. Why do you call them the “Democratic Party”?

    They are Mussolini-type leftists and Mussolini-type socialists!

    Just like Mussolini:

    1. They lie; fake news.
    2. Have subordinated the media to their agenda.
    3. Incarceration of journalists.
    4. Extrajudicial killings.
    5. Surveillance state.
    6. Support the Banksters
    7. Do not tolerate freedom of speech and expression with their political correctness terror.
    8. Endless wars that can end up in total war.

    Confucius said the first step towards wisdom is to call the things by their true nature.

    They are not Democrats. They are Demofascists and should be addressed as such..

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  44. annamaria says:

    Let’s see if “progressives” are able to detect the insult from WADA and IPC to all paralympians in Russia (without any explanations) https://www.rt.com/sport/375675-russian-paralympians-qualifying-winter/
    “… a deliberate “planned action” aimed at banning the Russian Paralympic team from the 2018 Games … a “collective punishment.” The International Paralympic Committee (IPC) does not give the Russian Paralympic athletes time to prove they are clean, as the games are actually a year away…”
    Cowards!
    The IPC Governing Board:
    Philip Craven (NPC Great Britain), President
    Andrew Parsons (NPC Brazil), Vice-President
    Mohamed Alhameli (NPC United Arab Emirates)
    Kyung-won Na (NPC Korea)
    Yasushi Yamawaki (NPC Japan)
    Ann Cody (NPC USA)
    Rita van Driel (NPC Netherlands)
    Patrick Jarvis (NPC Canada)
    Duane Kale (NPC New Zealand)
    Jairus Mogalo (NPC Kenya)
    John Petersson (NPC Denmark)
    Miguel Sagarra (NPC Spain)

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  45. Greg S. says:

    The real question is: where was the media? It should be clear that the masses are 100% controlled now by the media. The media says “jump” and the sheep say “how high?!?” If the media was not pursuing a hysterical anti-Trump agenda, there would be no protests. So the reason why nobody protested Obama is because nobody told them to!

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  46. MarkinLA says:

    You have got to admit that Trump is smoking them all out now. I wonder if this is all done by design. Anybody with half a brain and a reasonable sense of proportion has to view these protesters and the media as totally nuts and not worthy of paying any attention to.

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  47. Wally says: • Website
    @nsa
    Whitney is a master of not stating the obvious: the jooie elites favor the destruction of the ME to minimize any possible annoyance to their precious little jooie state. The vile traitorous KM (kosher media) then rams the idea down the American public's throat and the sheeplike goy morons, both rightie and leftie, both R and D, go along with it. Is it not time for the jooies to do their own killing on their own nickel with their own army and suffer their own consequences...and leave the rest of us out of it?

    Why does Hollywood & ‘the media’ support Israel whose immigration laws specify JEWS ONLY?

    Why don’t we see Hollywood & ‘the media’ criticizing Israel and it’s enormous WALL.

    What Hollywood & ‘the media’ praise about Israel they criticize about the US.

    Who is their loyalty to?

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  48. In 2009 I organized a protest against warmonger Obama while he vacationed on Martha’s Vineyard that featured Cindy Sheehan.

    Our prediction, in Obama;The PostModern Coup (Tarpley & Marshall) that Obama would be the face-lift for American Imperialism had been proven correct and Obama the Warmonger needed to be stopped. We also know that the Foundations would not fund protests against Obama, but something needed to be done. So I called Cindy Sheehan and she said she would love to come to Martha’s Vineyard but no one wanted to help her. So I tried, got Laurie Dobson on board and off we were and what an adventure we had. Better time than Darth Obama driving around in his black box train of death while military circled the stratosphere above. We were a small but merry band.

    Look the Foundation funded Peace Movement abandoned Cindy and the fight against the war. Cindy already knew in 2007, after she got the Democrats back in the majority in Congress, that the Democrats did not want to stop the war.

    So the day we were to give our Press Conference that morning as the radio alarm awoke me to the news. Ted Kennedy was Dead.

    Immediately I knew that we had to postpone the press conference for a few days.

    Certainly the thought went through our minds. Was Ted given a little push for the Team.

    That would make three brothers. Who will ever know, but we do know that Obama never
    wanted to face Cindy Sheehan as Bush was forced to and woke everyone else up.

    In many ways it still goes back to the Misprision of Treason concerning 9/11 , The people demand to know President Trump or are you going to participate in the cover up as well?

    These wars must stop.

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  49. @Thirdeye
    A "left" that is pro-imperialist, pro-war, and anti-working class is no longer a left. Its only distinguishing value is sacrifice of civil and legal principles, rationality, and common social values on the altar of "diversity" and historical grievance. It is nothing but a tool for a faction of the ruling class to gain power and a license for high crimes and misdemeeanors by fomenting social division and undermining social cohesiveness.

    Great comment & great article.
    In some ways liberals/progressives are guilty of even greater shame & disgrace (who would have guessed ? LOL ).
    I refer to the instalation of
    G W Bush by judicial fiat rather than democratic process. Where were the millions fighting against such a fundamental attack on democracy ? On principle, regardless of party affiliation, the country should have been brought to a standstill.
    Now, of course, Trump is elected through the democratic process, & millions come out to scream the illegitimacy of his presidency: not only a disgrace, but fascistic & anti-democratic disgrace.
    Elites may have the primary responsibility for the corruption of US democracy, but such a grossly lazy & hypocritical citizenry facilitated that corruption.

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  50. Skeptikal says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Apologies, helena; I too often resort to sarcasm. "Sarcasm is like watering the garden with saltwater."

    As well, I'm not British. It's my impression that there are far more Muslims in Britain than in the US, in raw numbers and proportionally. At the same time, you Brits have a lot to answer for, in my (jaundiced) view; you've been responsible for despoiling many a Muslim state -- what comes around goes around. My sense of the turmoil in the Middle East is based on lectures of the history of the era by Salim Yaqub; they starting off with the observation of the double-dealing of Sykes-Picot and the Balfour declaration; and Wilson's betrayal of his 14 Points promises of self determination to Ottoman states, at Versailles. Perhaps I should move beyond that, but foundations are important, and it is impossible to ignore the enormity of those twin betrayals; they still demand redress.

    EDIT: I must add that my impression is that Jewish/Israeli/zionist influence over US government, for the last 90+ years, is a far larger problem in USA than the presence of Muslims.

    There's a small college in USA whose president worships Churchill and endorses British values; he's fond of repeating, "The British did not build an empire by refraining from being brutal." I don't endorse "brutality" as a value my country should emulate, mostly because (see above): What comes around goes around.

    Am I saying that the British people deserve to be overwhelmed by Muslims? No.
    Rather, I would say, You've got your problems, based on your historical behaviors, and we in the USA have ours, based on different historical behaviors. May the gods help both of us to resolve our situations with wisdom and character.

    ” You’ve got your problems, based on your historical behaviors, ”

    One point of difference between Muslim immigrants to the UK and the USA is that many of the first waves of immigrants to the UK arrived from lands that had been part of the British Empire and were already quite acculturated, spoke English, etc. This is probably decreasingly the case, but I think it is still a factor. I believe more recent immigration to the UK has seen greater numbers from Eastern Europe, and this has created a whole new set of problems.

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  51. Cato says:

    The Muslims close to me are not that worried about Trump (actually, most of them voted for him out of fear of the warmongering Hillary). In “The Art of the Deal”, Trump explains that a good negotiator never starts out with the position she wishes to be final. All of this stuff in the first week: he is keeping his promises; he is trying to provoke a reaction. The ball is thrown in the court of the opposition, they must respond, and eventually a mutually acceptable solution will be found. The immigration ban has many obvious omissions (Tunisia, Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan), but will no doubt evolve in the coming weeks and months to something that most will see as a reasonable protection of American lives.

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  52. annamaria says:

    And, btw, this EPA must go: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/01/31/epa-monsanto-collaboration.aspx?
    Smoking Gun on EPA’s Secret Collaboration With Monsanto
    “In 2015, glyphosate, Roundup’s active ingredient, was determined to be a “probable carcinogen” by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which is the research arm of the World Health Organization (WHO).
    Monsanto has been confident all along that EPA would continue to support glyphosate, whatever happened and no matter who held otherwise. According to the court filings by plaintiffs’ attorneys, the documents show ‘it is clear that Monsanto enjoyed considerable influence within the EPA’s OPP’ [Office of Pesticide Programs]
    Monsanto Sues the State of California by saying that the plan to list glyphosate as a carcinogen should be withdrawn… “

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  53. Awake says:

    The left took hold of education and brain washed the last two generations. This is why the outrageous behavior, total indoctrination…….

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    This is the crux of it. I heard someone make the point today that the reason why there are so many foreigners employed in the UK is because we have simply failed to educate our own citizens. Tony Blair placed a cap on nurse training, which has been oversubscribed every year - I don't think it has been removed yet either. It was a cheap trick to create a need for migrants. Instead, education for the past three decades has focused on moral issues and meaningless categorisations thus creating generations of easily offended, self-interested people, dependent on group membership, with few skills and zero ability to think independently, objectively and critically.
  54. @Deus X. Nihilo
    "In other words, selectivity in opposing and criticizing Trump – where he rightly deserves it – rather than opportunism in rejecting everything that Trump says might make more sense."

    Absolutely correct, that would make more sense, which is why today's Democrats are never going to take that approach. They're comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims, in case you haven't noticed. Instead of offering critiques of Trump that a normal adult could appreciate, they will continue to constantly shriek that the Fourth Reich is upon us and that any sensible immigration restriction is the equivalent of kristallnacht.

    And I for one am relishing it. The Democrats and their Leftist "anti-fascist" foot soldiers are alienating themselves from the rest of the country to the point of irrelevancy. Yes, that means Trump has no effective opposition to keep him in check. But I'll gladly take Trump without an effective opposition, for all of his faults, over a Democrat administration facing no effective opposition as the Dems would further our national suicide.

    ” They’re comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims”

    Nope this is not who they are and what they are engaged in , rather fact is they are communist foot soldiers for the marxist elite which is striving for a world marxist government and no borders, no nation states.

    It will not help matters to redundantly euphemize the actual situation, and hold our heads in the sand.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    "It will not help matters to redundantly euphemize the actual situation, and hold our heads in the sand."

    I'm guessing it's improvo jazz that you're into. To my untrained ears, there is no rhythm in that sequence of words! (cheap shot, couldn't resist).

    "they are communist foot soldiers for the marxist elite which is striving for a world marxist government and no borders, no nation states."

    Yes and no. The movement is essentially capitalist, I call it Feudal Capitalism. It is driven by a Baronial Class made up of CEOs, and the legal, financial and media sectors. The CEOs represent the productive component whilst the other three sectors represent rent-seekers, non-material, plus of course material rent-seekers in the property sector.

    The genius of this system is that the Baronial Class hit upon the idea of using the techniques of communism to create the serfdom i.e. false consciousness and guilt by association.

    Human Rights exist purely to keep the Lib/Left in power - nobody can argue against them.

    The frequently heard phrase 'Our Values' is nothing of the sort, loads of people don't agree with many aspects of Human Rights because, with the exception of being homosexual, not a single Human Right is other than a decision or policy adopted by society; the trick was to make them sound natural.

    The protesters probably do think that they are lefty Marxists but in reality they are mentally indentured to the Baronial Class.
  55. D3F1ANT says:

    A ponderous, doddering, hateful, confused idiot with tunnel-vision. That’s a personification of the Left.

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  56. helena says:
    @Awake
    The left took hold of education and brain washed the last two generations. This is why the outrageous behavior, total indoctrination.......

    This is the crux of it. I heard someone make the point today that the reason why there are so many foreigners employed in the UK is because we have simply failed to educate our own citizens. Tony Blair placed a cap on nurse training, which has been oversubscribed every year – I don’t think it has been removed yet either. It was a cheap trick to create a need for migrants. Instead, education for the past three decades has focused on moral issues and meaningless categorisations thus creating generations of easily offended, self-interested people, dependent on group membership, with few skills and zero ability to think independently, objectively and critically.

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  57. @nsa
    Whitney is a master of not stating the obvious: the jooie elites favor the destruction of the ME to minimize any possible annoyance to their precious little jooie state. The vile traitorous KM (kosher media) then rams the idea down the American public's throat and the sheeplike goy morons, both rightie and leftie, both R and D, go along with it. Is it not time for the jooies to do their own killing on their own nickel with their own army and suffer their own consequences...and leave the rest of us out of it?

    Jews in Germany never even came close to the degree of control they now have in the United States, and are rapidly acquiring in other countries (e.g., Canada, UK, Australia – wonder why the Anglo countries are so susceptible?)

    They control every influential institution in the United States.I don’t think any US President can escape them. They are like an albatross around America’s neck. Because Trump did not mention “Israel is our ally” in his inaugural address, even the pro-Trump jews were scrambling on all the networks to express their disappointment that he did not mention America’s allies!

    Obama atleast denied Netanyahu the photo-ops he is accustomed to with the President of the United States.

    Thanks to Jared Kushner the fixer, you will see Netanyahu prancing and posing, pivoting and preening, during his visit in February to meet Donald Trump.

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  58. annamaria says:

    The hapless, infantile “left” is receiving finally its dues:

    http://thesaker.is/the-conservative-revolution-the-left-dilemma/

    “The global “left” supporters are now up in arms, not because of Trump’s infamous grabbing quote, but because he has destroyed the “establishment”; their establishment, and they are fighting for the restoration of their stature.”
    Also:
    “This is not to forget the support fighters associated with Al-Qaeda and ISIL in Syria and Libya have received from the USA and EU nations; including the so-called socialist “left” French Government of President Hollande. And when we make such exposures, we should not vindicate the Western “left” in opposition in nations like the UK, Australia and in the recent past in Canada. There was not a word, not a whisper to stop the onslaught of those wars, and if anything, the West as a whole, either directly by the action of “left” governments or by the tacit support of “left” opposition, has been actively engaged in financing and supporting the most oppressive world regimes and helping finance, arm, and facilitate the activities of fundamentalist terror organizations.”
    More:
    “Apart from the name tag, what is left of the “left” in “the Western left” and the “left” in general is a combination of remnants of old ideas mashed together with some new-age fantasies that only merge in minds that do not seem to be able to understand the concept of compatibility.”

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  59. @D3F1ANT
    A ponderous, doddering, hateful, confused idiot with tunnel-vision. That's a personification of the Left.

    The Left = Contemporary Fascists.

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    The Left = Contemporary Fascists.
     
    Disagree.

    Mussolini was genuinely attempting to unify, modernize and achieve prosperity for a broad swathe of Italians who had been fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries. Many Italians were poor and uneducated.

    If you call National Socialism "fascism," German NS was an entirely different situation as well: Germans had had traditions and institutions of unity, literacy and culture, but those values had been undermined, and the people had been physically and spiritually shattered.

    In contrast, the Pussy Protesters were probably some of the most highly educated people in the nation, and they were not the "tired, poor, huddled masses," they were privileged SJWs who had never known hunger beyond foregoing a latte before their yoga session.

    re the airport protests: the generation(s) that passed thru Ellis Island did not have business class airline tickets and designer luggage. They had cardboard boxes and a bad case of steerage-induced seasickness.

    imo "brainwashed," "infantile," and helena's comment @ 58 nailed it:

    education for the past three decades has focused on [im]moral issues and meaningless categorisations thus creating generations of easily offended, self-interested people, dependent on group membership, with few skills and zero ability to think independently, objectively and critically.
     
    ----

    Is Chuck Shumer making good on his not-so-thinly-veiled threat to make life hell for Trump? He would know how to pull the right strings & funding.
  60. @Thales the Milesian
    The Left = Contemporary Fascists.

    The Left = Contemporary Fascists.

    Disagree.

    Mussolini was genuinely attempting to unify, modernize and achieve prosperity for a broad swathe of Italians who had been fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries. Many Italians were poor and uneducated.

    If you call National Socialism “fascism,” German NS was an entirely different situation as well: Germans had had traditions and institutions of unity, literacy and culture, but those values had been undermined, and the people had been physically and spiritually shattered.

    In contrast, the Pussy Protesters were probably some of the most highly educated people in the nation, and they were not the “tired, poor, huddled masses,” they were privileged SJWs who had never known hunger beyond foregoing a latte before their yoga session.

    re the airport protests: the generation(s) that passed thru Ellis Island did not have business class airline tickets and designer luggage. They had cardboard boxes and a bad case of steerage-induced seasickness.

    imo “brainwashed,” “infantile,” and helena’s comment @ 58 nailed it:

    education for the past three decades has focused on [im]moral issues and meaningless categorisations thus creating generations of easily offended, self-interested people, dependent on group membership, with few skills and zero ability to think independently, objectively and critically.

    —-

    Is Chuck Shumer making good on his not-so-thinly-veiled threat to make life hell for Trump? He would know how to pull the right strings & funding.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Solonto,

    fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries
     
    you know that is not true, if, as I suspect you have, you read history.
    When did multiple powers invade Italia? At the fall of the western Roman empire, sure, too many, but that was long ago. I am sure you know something of the history.

    Played with is the more accurate.

    The other, the eastern Empire, a very sad tale, but not so so bad under Justinian and Belisarius, in those times, the eastern Empire was close to the fall of the western, in time, and you will find numerous believers in the old Gods still in Constantinople, Zosimus, others,
    Overseas, I met several people, one an Italian man, my contemporary, he was talking about Mussolini's agenda, and how Mussolini' had appealed to his (my friend's) parents. I was to meeting such parents, they have a better polity than the permitted version, and sure led to, or, at house gatherings, great food. Of course, I was to help in making, but they were the experts (not that I am a bad cook.)
  61. Che Guava says:
    @Obe
    Touche, Che!

    I don’t understanding the flow of this comment, but touche to you, too, Obe!

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  62. Che Guava says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The Left = Contemporary Fascists.
     
    Disagree.

    Mussolini was genuinely attempting to unify, modernize and achieve prosperity for a broad swathe of Italians who had been fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries. Many Italians were poor and uneducated.

    If you call National Socialism "fascism," German NS was an entirely different situation as well: Germans had had traditions and institutions of unity, literacy and culture, but those values had been undermined, and the people had been physically and spiritually shattered.

    In contrast, the Pussy Protesters were probably some of the most highly educated people in the nation, and they were not the "tired, poor, huddled masses," they were privileged SJWs who had never known hunger beyond foregoing a latte before their yoga session.

    re the airport protests: the generation(s) that passed thru Ellis Island did not have business class airline tickets and designer luggage. They had cardboard boxes and a bad case of steerage-induced seasickness.

    imo "brainwashed," "infantile," and helena's comment @ 58 nailed it:

    education for the past three decades has focused on [im]moral issues and meaningless categorisations thus creating generations of easily offended, self-interested people, dependent on group membership, with few skills and zero ability to think independently, objectively and critically.
     
    ----

    Is Chuck Shumer making good on his not-so-thinly-veiled threat to make life hell for Trump? He would know how to pull the right strings & funding.

    Solonto,

    fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries

    you know that is not true, if, as I suspect you have, you read history.
    When did multiple powers invade Italia? At the fall of the western Roman empire, sure, too many, but that was long ago. I am sure you know something of the history.

    Played with is the more accurate.

    The other, the eastern Empire, a very sad tale, but not so so bad under Justinian and Belisarius, in those times, the eastern Empire was close to the fall of the western, in time, and you will find numerous believers in the old Gods still in Constantinople, Zosimus, others,
    Overseas, I met several people, one an Italian man, my contemporary, he was talking about Mussolini’s agenda, and how Mussolini’ had appealed to his (my friend’s) parents. I was to meeting such parents, they have a better polity than the permitted version, and sure led to, or, at house gatherings, great food. Of course, I was to help in making, but they were the experts (not that I am a bad cook.)

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    Thank you, Che Quava.
    Actually I know very little of Italian history, and I am certainly not a Mussolini fanboy -- my Mother left Italy with her family when they learned that Mussolini was drafting boys to invade Ethiopia, and my grandfather chose to give up his home and farm rather than give up his sons to that army.

    BUT -- one of Italy's goals in WWI was to get out from domination of the Austrian empire -- see The holocaust : Italy's struggle with the Hapsburg, published 1919
    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028273757#page/n5/mode/2up

    Italian history resources on the internet are scant and of poor quality, mainly 4 min videos pitched to tourism.

    If you try to find information about Italy's struggle against Austrian empire on internet, google will offer at least 5 pages of "Italy and the Jewish holocaust."

    That's one of the things that really pisses me off about Jews and their faux holocaust: they suck all the oxygen out of the air. Like Jews and only Jews are the only people who matter.

    basta!
  63. @Che Guava
    Solonto,

    fragmented and ruled by multiple foreign powers for centuries
     
    you know that is not true, if, as I suspect you have, you read history.
    When did multiple powers invade Italia? At the fall of the western Roman empire, sure, too many, but that was long ago. I am sure you know something of the history.

    Played with is the more accurate.

    The other, the eastern Empire, a very sad tale, but not so so bad under Justinian and Belisarius, in those times, the eastern Empire was close to the fall of the western, in time, and you will find numerous believers in the old Gods still in Constantinople, Zosimus, others,
    Overseas, I met several people, one an Italian man, my contemporary, he was talking about Mussolini's agenda, and how Mussolini' had appealed to his (my friend's) parents. I was to meeting such parents, they have a better polity than the permitted version, and sure led to, or, at house gatherings, great food. Of course, I was to help in making, but they were the experts (not that I am a bad cook.)

    Thank you, Che Quava.
    Actually I know very little of Italian history, and I am certainly not a Mussolini fanboy — my Mother left Italy with her family when they learned that Mussolini was drafting boys to invade Ethiopia, and my grandfather chose to give up his home and farm rather than give up his sons to that army.

    BUT — one of Italy’s goals in WWI was to get out from domination of the Austrian empire — see The holocaust : Italy’s struggle with the Hapsburg, published 1919

    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028273757#page/n5/mode/2up

    Italian history resources on the internet are scant and of poor quality, mainly 4 min videos pitched to tourism.

    If you try to find information about Italy’s struggle against Austrian empire on internet, google will offer at least 5 pages of “Italy and the Jewish holocaust.”

    That’s one of the things that really pisses me off about Jews and their faux holocaust: they suck all the oxygen out of the air. Like Jews and only Jews are the only people who matter.

    basta!

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    ooops

    screwed up big time

    The writer of "The Holocaust: Italy's Struggles with the Hapsburg" was writing about events a century earlier, in the early 1800s.

    apologies
    , @Che Guava
    Dear Solonto,

    I am appreciating (and always new perspectives and info from real perspectives are apprecitaed).

    Well said!

    I will be reading the site you post, but I have read many primary sources, from Italy, Mussolini's autobio., among many others.

    The parallels and contrasts between Japan and Italy at the time always interest me. In both, the head of state was supposed to be royalty.

    In Italy, of course, the Savoia turned traitor in 1943, not the fond memory of my fascist friends, and I agree with them. Italy betrayed Japan.

    Germany helped Japan up to the end.

    In Japan, the Emperor was responsible for much, and Princes for more, but there was an understructure of fascistic organisations, and most 'Japanese-Americans' in Hawaii and California supported the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.

    That the internments were indiscriminate is true. That it was an illogical violation is a lie.

    Stopping there, must sleeping.
    , @Che Guava
    Solonto.

    If I am to looking things up in English, I try to never use Google. Usually duckduckgo, their placing WP results at the top is annoying (perhaps they get money from Elevation Partners to do it), but as far as I can, I am looking for the non-WP links.

    Profileration of closed tech. specs is a PITA.

    For English also at times, for images, I mainly still find Webcrawler good, although they had to agree to hand tracking data to Google many years ago to stay in business. Since I am not interested in pics of unsavoury things (except for certain shock pics, Goatsie was amusing in a horrible way years ago, as were photos of plastic surgery disasters, btw, I recommend a look at Donatella Versace, other and worse). Still, the time for shock pics being an interesting phenom. on the 'net expired last decade, I don't care too much.

    Avoid Google as much as is possible, it is an evil corporation. There are alternatives.

    In Japanese, Yahoo! Japan is generally alright for info. They track too, but deleting cookies and regularly logging out of mail accounts works well.

    Regards.
  64. helena says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " They're comprised mostly of overgrown children who shriek and stomp their feet whenever society refuses to indulge their bizarre whims"

    Nope this is not who they are and what they are engaged in , rather fact is they are communist foot soldiers for the marxist elite which is striving for a world marxist government and no borders, no nation states.

    It will not help matters to redundantly euphemize the actual situation, and hold our heads in the sand.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    “It will not help matters to redundantly euphemize the actual situation, and hold our heads in the sand.”

    I’m guessing it’s improvo jazz that you’re into. To my untrained ears, there is no rhythm in that sequence of words! (cheap shot, couldn’t resist).

    “they are communist foot soldiers for the marxist elite which is striving for a world marxist government and no borders, no nation states.”

    Yes and no. The movement is essentially capitalist, I call it Feudal Capitalism. It is driven by a Baronial Class made up of CEOs, and the legal, financial and media sectors. The CEOs represent the productive component whilst the other three sectors represent rent-seekers, non-material, plus of course material rent-seekers in the property sector.

    The genius of this system is that the Baronial Class hit upon the idea of using the techniques of communism to create the serfdom i.e. false consciousness and guilt by association.

    Human Rights exist purely to keep the Lib/Left in power – nobody can argue against them.

    The frequently heard phrase ‘Our Values’ is nothing of the sort, loads of people don’t agree with many aspects of Human Rights because, with the exception of being homosexual, not a single Human Right is other than a decision or policy adopted by society; the trick was to make them sound natural.

    The protesters probably do think that they are lefty Marxists but in reality they are mentally indentured to the Baronial Class.

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  65. @SolontoCroesus
    Thank you, Che Quava.
    Actually I know very little of Italian history, and I am certainly not a Mussolini fanboy -- my Mother left Italy with her family when they learned that Mussolini was drafting boys to invade Ethiopia, and my grandfather chose to give up his home and farm rather than give up his sons to that army.

    BUT -- one of Italy's goals in WWI was to get out from domination of the Austrian empire -- see The holocaust : Italy's struggle with the Hapsburg, published 1919
    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028273757#page/n5/mode/2up

    Italian history resources on the internet are scant and of poor quality, mainly 4 min videos pitched to tourism.

    If you try to find information about Italy's struggle against Austrian empire on internet, google will offer at least 5 pages of "Italy and the Jewish holocaust."

    That's one of the things that really pisses me off about Jews and their faux holocaust: they suck all the oxygen out of the air. Like Jews and only Jews are the only people who matter.

    basta!

    ooops

    screwed up big time

    The writer of “The Holocaust: Italy’s Struggles with the Hapsburg” was writing about events a century earlier, in the early 1800s.

    apologies

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    That is an interesting screw-up in itself, and in my opionion, not to reflecting badly on you ... unlike my own recent effort, directed at another user, but erroneously by me to me.

    It has some comedic value, I half-heartedly asked the mods to take it down while admitting that it would be funny to leave it in place, so it is.

    Soluntus, so sorry to hear of your parents feeling they needed to flee, I did not live there, so I don't know.

    BTW, you also posted to yourself.

    My friend of Italian descent was equivocal to supportive of the Fascists.

    At the same time, an Anarchist at the time.

    All very confusing, but I can choose a person from time overseas that I wotld most wanting to see again, except a few women, it would be the half-fascist, half-anarchist of Italian descent.
  66. RobinG says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Just as the media failed to report on Obama's endless wars, the hypocrites also failed to inform the public that Obama reserved the right to kill U.S. citizens.

    I bet fewer than 20% of the public realize that ,Obama, the great champion of human rights, killed a citizen without trial or oversight. Imagine the weeping and moaning if Trump were to even entertain the idea that he is not only the world's policeman, but executioner as well.

    Trump is doubling down on Obama’s extrajudicial killing., and continuing genocidal war on Yemen. Today’s threats against Iran by Flynn don’t bode well.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/01/31/trump-fulfills-another-campaign-promise-kills-8-year-old-american-girl/

    Trump Fulfills Another Campaign Promise: Kills 8-Year Old American Girl

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    meanwhile, the ziocons' project in Ukraine is getting steam:
    "BBC reporter films Kiev tanks in residential area on E. Ukraine frontline:" https://www.rt.com/news/376073-avdeevka-kiev-tanks-ukraine/
    Also: "NATO in Eastern Europe: German soldiers are operating in Lithuania, the British undertake Estonia and US soldiers will protect Latvia. The Canadians will deploy forces in Poland. Also in the Mediterranean, combat units are reinforced." https://southfront.org/german-troops-towards-lithuania-nato-starts-encirclement-of-russia/
  67. Che Guava says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Thank you, Che Quava.
    Actually I know very little of Italian history, and I am certainly not a Mussolini fanboy -- my Mother left Italy with her family when they learned that Mussolini was drafting boys to invade Ethiopia, and my grandfather chose to give up his home and farm rather than give up his sons to that army.

    BUT -- one of Italy's goals in WWI was to get out from domination of the Austrian empire -- see The holocaust : Italy's struggle with the Hapsburg, published 1919
    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028273757#page/n5/mode/2up

    Italian history resources on the internet are scant and of poor quality, mainly 4 min videos pitched to tourism.

    If you try to find information about Italy's struggle against Austrian empire on internet, google will offer at least 5 pages of "Italy and the Jewish holocaust."

    That's one of the things that really pisses me off about Jews and their faux holocaust: they suck all the oxygen out of the air. Like Jews and only Jews are the only people who matter.

    basta!

    Dear Solonto,

    I am appreciating (and always new perspectives and info from real perspectives are apprecitaed).

    Well said!

    I will be reading the site you post, but I have read many primary sources, from Italy, Mussolini’s autobio., among many others.

    The parallels and contrasts between Japan and Italy at the time always interest me. In both, the head of state was supposed to be royalty.

    In Italy, of course, the Savoia turned traitor in 1943, not the fond memory of my fascist friends, and I agree with them. Italy betrayed Japan.

    Germany helped Japan up to the end.

    In Japan, the Emperor was responsible for much, and Princes for more, but there was an understructure of fascistic organisations, and most ‘Japanese-Americans’ in Hawaii and California supported the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.

    That the internments were indiscriminate is true. That it was an illogical violation is a lie.

    Stopping there, must sleeping.

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  68. annamaria says:
    @RobinG
    Trump is doubling down on Obama's extrajudicial killing., and continuing genocidal war on Yemen. Today's threats against Iran by Flynn don't bode well.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/01/31/trump-fulfills-another-campaign-promise-kills-8-year-old-american-girl/
    Trump Fulfills Another Campaign Promise: Kills 8-Year Old American Girl

    meanwhile, the ziocons’ project in Ukraine is getting steam:
    “BBC reporter films Kiev tanks in residential area on E. Ukraine frontline:” https://www.rt.com/news/376073-avdeevka-kiev-tanks-ukraine/
    Also: “NATO in Eastern Europe: German soldiers are operating in Lithuania, the British undertake Estonia and US soldiers will protect Latvia. The Canadians will deploy forces in Poland. Also in the Mediterranean, combat units are reinforced.” https://southfront.org/german-troops-towards-lithuania-nato-starts-encirclement-of-russia/

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  69. Che Guava says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Thank you, Che Quava.
    Actually I know very little of Italian history, and I am certainly not a Mussolini fanboy -- my Mother left Italy with her family when they learned that Mussolini was drafting boys to invade Ethiopia, and my grandfather chose to give up his home and farm rather than give up his sons to that army.

    BUT -- one of Italy's goals in WWI was to get out from domination of the Austrian empire -- see The holocaust : Italy's struggle with the Hapsburg, published 1919
    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028273757#page/n5/mode/2up

    Italian history resources on the internet are scant and of poor quality, mainly 4 min videos pitched to tourism.

    If you try to find information about Italy's struggle against Austrian empire on internet, google will offer at least 5 pages of "Italy and the Jewish holocaust."

    That's one of the things that really pisses me off about Jews and their faux holocaust: they suck all the oxygen out of the air. Like Jews and only Jews are the only people who matter.

    basta!

    Solonto.

    If I am to looking things up in English, I try to never use Google. Usually duckduckgo, their placing WP results at the top is annoying (perhaps they get money from Elevation Partners to do it), but as far as I can, I am looking for the non-WP links.

    Profileration of closed tech. specs is a PITA.

    For English also at times, for images, I mainly still find Webcrawler good, although they had to agree to hand tracking data to Google many years ago to stay in business. Since I am not interested in pics of unsavoury things (except for certain shock pics, Goatsie was amusing in a horrible way years ago, as were photos of plastic surgery disasters, btw, I recommend a look at Donatella Versace, other and worse). Still, the time for shock pics being an interesting phenom. on the ‘net expired last decade, I don’t care too much.

    Avoid Google as much as is possible, it is an evil corporation. There are alternatives.

    In Japanese, Yahoo! Japan is generally alright for info. They track too, but deleting cookies and regularly logging out of mail accounts works well.

    Regards.

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  70. New 3-rd political parties must arise in the US, with a large middleclass base of all colour, demanding Full employment and money creation by the State only to fund public projects to attain a Full employment economy.

    What an ideal democractic society looks like:

    -Competitive markets with rel. small companies (5% of market)=Breakup Wallstreet monopolies=inefficiënt bureaucracies
    -a ban on Billionaires: limit private equity 100 million $
    - a ban on financial derivatives: ban the CDO, CDS, …
    - moneycreation by parlement/congress only (End the FED money discount window)!
    - the state creates money without incurring debt (No national debt Bill Still, Milton Freedman)
    - corporate money out-of politics: truly grassroot-level democracies demanding Full employment and rising real wages, is what the world needs!

    This will advance personal liberties and the successrate of happiness for a large majority of all creed and color.

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  71. Che Guava says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    ooops

    screwed up big time

    The writer of "The Holocaust: Italy's Struggles with the Hapsburg" was writing about events a century earlier, in the early 1800s.

    apologies

    That is an interesting screw-up in itself, and in my opionion, not to reflecting badly on you … unlike my own recent effort, directed at another user, but erroneously by me to me.

    It has some comedic value, I half-heartedly asked the mods to take it down while admitting that it would be funny to leave it in place, so it is.

    Soluntus, so sorry to hear of your parents feeling they needed to flee, I did not live there, so I don’t know.

    BTW, you also posted to yourself.

    My friend of Italian descent was equivocal to supportive of the Fascists.

    At the same time, an Anarchist at the time.

    All very confusing, but I can choose a person from time overseas that I wotld most wanting to see again, except a few women, it would be the half-fascist, half-anarchist of Italian descent.

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  72. kek says:

    Oh God the the leftist are the problem. The communists control the US media and half of Congress. The communist halfAfrican CIA Agent President just left power. Give us new wavers a bit of time to get off the mat, gather steam, appoint our cabinet and then kick the shit out of every anti-American hipster in this country. It’s going to be so much fun. I don’t dress in black and cover my face like Berkeley faggots, I dress in red like Caesar leading his 10th Roman Legion to victory.

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