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Did Donald Trump scrap the Iran nuke’s deal to pay back his pro-Israel campaign donors? Political analyst Eli Clifton seems to think so, and he argues the point pretty persuasively too. Here’s an except from his article at the Lobe Log:

“President Donald Trump has just fulfilled a campaign pledge to tear up the Obama administration’s signature foreign policy achievement…the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA. (The Iran Nukes deal)…..

….today’s unpopular announcement may have been exactly what two of Trump’s biggest donors, Sheldon Adelson and Bernard Marcus, and what one of his biggest inaugural supporters, Paul Singer, paid for when they threw their financial weight behind Trump. Marcus and Adelson, who are also board members of the Likudist Republican Jewish Coalition, have already received substantial returns on their investment: total alignment by the U.S. behind Israel…

Adelson… contributed $35 million in outside spending to elect Trump…. Newt Gingrich, a huge recipient of Adelson’s financial largesse during his failed 2012 presidential campaign, said that Adelson’s “central value” is Israel….

Adelson… has advocated launching a nuclear weapon against Iran as a negotiating tactic and threatening to nuke Tehran, a city with a population of 8.8 million, if Iran does not completely abandon its nuclear program…..

Trump and the GOP are deeply indebted to anti-Iran deal billionaires who aren’t afraid to advocate for policies that push the country closer to another war in the Middle East.” (“Follow the Money: Three Billionaires Paved Way for Trump’s Iran Deal Withdrawal”, Eli Clifton, Lobe Log)

So what’s going on here? Did Trump really withdraw from the agreement because he thought it was a bad deal for America or because, as he candidly admitted on Tuesday, “When I make promises, I keep them”?

That’s fine, but on whose behalf did Trump make those promises, that’s what we want to know? The American people don’t benefit from a broken “nukes” agreement nor does Trump’s base nor do the frustrated allies nor does the international community. No one benefits. No one except Israel, that is.

Israel clearly benefits from the reimposing of economic sanctions, from the weakening of Iran’s economy, from the further isolation of its arch-rival in the region, and from the intensifying of hostilities between Washington and Tehran. Any policy-shift that brings the US closer to a shooting war with Iran, benefits Israel, just as the destruction of Iraq benefited Israel, just as the destruction of Libya benefited Israel, just as the destruction of Syria would have benefited Israel. (had it succeeded.) The elimination of strong, independent secular Arab nations unavoidably enhances Israel’s regional power which is why Israel supports the strategy. When Israel’s enemies get smaller and more fragmented, Israel gets bigger. It’s that simple. What we want to know is whether Trump’s decision was shaped by Israel’s interests or America’s? We also want to know whether Trump’s withdraw will be used as a pretext for dragging the country into a war with Iran? That’s the question that’s on everyone’s mind.

Did the attention-impaired Trump actually read the JCPOA? Does he realize that no other member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) has ever been asked to meet the same onerous requirements as Iran, the same additional protocols, and the same stringent, intrusive inspections regime? Does he know how unfairly Iran has been treated, how they’ve been demonized in the media, how they’ve been hectored, harassed and threatened relentlessly by warmongering countries like the US that punish Iran with crippling sanctions while building an entire new class of “usable” nuclear weapons for themselves?

No, of course not. Trump knows nothing about Iran or the nuke’s deal, and he could care less. What he cares about is power, executive power, the kind of power that has eluded Trump so far because he lacks a constituency. Now he “gets it”. Now he’s assembling a team of neocons like Bolton and Pompeo and ingratiating himself with strong supporters of Israel. They will provide the foundation for Trump’s grandiose personal ambitions by helping him tighten his grip on executive power. This is why he put the kibosh on the Iran nukes deal without even reading the agreement. He’s just placating his base to strengthen his own position. Trump’s actions invariably revolve around Trump. He is the center of his own world. Here’s an excerpt from an article by former US Intelligence Officer Paul Pillar:

“Two motivations, more than any others, have driven the opposition to the JCPOA. One is the desire to wreck whatever Barack Obama accomplished…..The other major motivation is to stay in step with the preferences of the right-wing government of Israel. The political and financial mechanisms include fear among American politicians of antagonizing the lobby that works on that government’s behalf. They also include wealthy supporters of that government bankrolling advocacy groups dedicated to sustaining tension and confrontation with Iran, with opposition to the JCPOA at the core of that effort.

…..it certainly is not in U.S. interests to support the game that Netanyahu is playing with the issue, which is to oppose any and all agreements with Tehran as a way of maintaining Iran as a pariah and a foil, in an effort to distract attention from Israel’s own destabilizing activities and to restrict U.S. diplomatic freedom of action in the Middle East…..Regardless of how much fondness one may have for Israel, it never will be sound policy to subcontract any portion of one’s own nation’s policies to a foreign government. Acting from either or both of these motivations is policy malpractice of the worst kind.” (“Hold the Deal-Killers Accountable”, Paul Pillar, Lobe Log)

That sums it up perfectly. Now a few words about Iran:

Iran is a long-term victim of US-Israeli belligerence and aggression. The broken nuclear deal is just the latest addition to the 65 year-long litany of hostility and abuse.

In 1953, the CIA toppled the Iranian government, installed the Shah, helped to kill or imprison thousands of leftists and dissidents, fast-tracked the issuing of contracts to the giant oil corporations, helped arm and train the Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK, and plunged the country into 26 years of agonizing police-state repression and tyranny. Sound familiar?

It should. Washington has followed the same basic blueprint in over 50 countries since the end of World War 2. Regime change is just the way Washington does business.

Have you ever wondered what life was like under the Shah? Here’s a brief summary from The Harvard Crimson:

“The Shah systematically dismantled the judicial system of Iran and the country’s guarantees of personal and social liberties. …. Nearly every source of creative, artistic and intellectual endeavor in our culture was suppressed.

The SAVAK conducted most of the torture, under the friendly guidance of the CIA which set up SAVAK in 1957 and taught them how to interrogate suspects. Amnesty International reports methods of torture that included “whipping and beating, electric shocks, extraction of teeth and nails, boiling water pumped into the rectum, heavy weights hung on the testicles, tying the prisoner to a metal table heated to a white heat, inserting a broken bottle into the anus, and rape.”…

The Shah greatly expanded the military and turned it against his own people. With newfound oil wealth the Shah bought $2C million of U.S. arms. The U.S. military trained Iranian officers. Despite claims that a strong army was needed to prevent external aggression, its real purpose became clear when the army murdered more than 50,000 Iranians fighting the Shah.” …. The number of students tortured, lost or murdered is unknown.” (“Life Under the Shah“, The Harvard Crimson)

This is America’s legacy in Iran: “Whipping, beating, electric shocks, extraction of teeth, boiling water pumped into the rectum, and rape.” The United States will never be able to repay Iran for the 26 year-long reign of terror it inflicted on the country or the ocean of blood generated by the Shah. Washington alone is responsible for that suffering and carnage.

In 1979, the Iranian people overthrew Washington’s stooge (Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi) and installed Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic. The Ayatollah quickly seized control of the gas and oil industries and began recycling revenues into critical infrastructure, social services and the military. Washington has never forgiven Iran for its act of defiance in restoring its own sovereign independence. Nearly 4 decades later, the US is still doing everything in its power to roll back the revolution and reassert control over Iran’s vast natural wealth. Trump’s impulsive withdraw from the JCPOA is likely part of a broader destabilization plan that is aimed at regime change.

While there’s nothing new about US intervention, it’s worth noting the stark difference between a peaceful country like Iran and a chronic meddler like the US. For example,

Since the end of World War 2, Iran:

  1. Has not overthrown or tried to overthrow any foreign governments
  2. Has not attempted to assassinate any foreign leaders.
  3. Has not attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movements in other countries.
  4. Has not interfered in any foreign elections.
  5. Has not tortured foreign nationals in other countries.

Now let’s look at Washington’s record. Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

  1. Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
  2. Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
  3. Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
  4. Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
  5. Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.*
  6. Plus … although not easily quantified … has been more involved in the practice of torture than any other country in the world … for over a century … not just performing the actual torture, but teaching it, providing the manuals, and furnishing the equipment.” (“The Anti-Empire Report”, William Blum)

Can you spot the difference between the two countries and their approach to foreign policy?

If you are one of the millions of people who get their news from the western media, you probably think the opposite is true. You probably think Iran and the “Mullahs” are the problem not peace-loving Uncle Sam.

It’s all baloney. Iran hasn’t had a day’s rest since it removed the miscreant Shah in 1979. The US has never let up on its relentless campaign to oust the government and install another servile lackey who will do their bidding.

Did you know that “Forty-five U.S. military bases encircle Iran, with over 125,000 troops in close proximity.”

It’s true. Iran is completely surrounded by hostile US forces that are ready to go to war at a moment’s notice.

And how many Iranian bases are there on US borders?

Not even one.

Did you know that the frequently-made claim that “Iran is the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism” is nonsense? It’s a complete fabrication. Think about it. Iran has put its own military personnel in harms way in Syria to fight Sunni extremists. (Al Qaida, Al Nusra, ISIS etc.) Why would they fight the terrorists in Syria but support them elsewhere?

They wouldn’t and they don’t. It’s just more disinformation from the dissembling media. Check this out:

A February 26, 2015, report by the director of national intelligence, titled “Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Communities,” stated that Iran is not the chief sponsor of terrorism, and removed Iran and Hezbollah from its list of terrorism threats. The report asserted Tehran’s intentions are to “dampen sectarianism, build responsive partners and deescalate tensions with Saudi Arabia…, and combat Sunni extremists, including the Islamic State.” (“Rethinking Iran’s Terrorism Designation”, M. Reza Behnam, Counterpunch)

Here’s more from the same piece:

“Iranians know all too well the egregious effects of terrorism. For decades, U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies have covertly financed, equipped and trained opposition groups that have fomented and carried out terrorist attacks inside Iran. Thousands of civilians and political figures, including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, have suffered injury at the hands of terrorists.”

Yes, but if Iran isn’t funding, arming and training all those terrorists, then who is? Here’s part of the answer:

“U.S. intelligence agencies have supported the acts of violence committed by the Mujahedin-e Khalq—listed by the State Department as a terrorist group (now delisted) that advocates the overthrow of the Islamic Republic—as well as the Baluchi militant Salafi group Jundullah. An Iranian ethnic minority, Jundullah is a Sunni group aligned with the thinking of al-Qaeda.

In 2007, Congress agreed to a Bush administration request of $400 million to escalate covert operations to destabilize Iran’s government, with regime change the ultimate goal. The funding request came at the same time that a National Intelligence Estimate—-the collective work of America’s sixteen spy agencies—concluded that Iran had ceased its efforts to develop nuclear weapons in 2003….

Beginning in 2008, four of Iran’s nuclear scientists were assassinated on the streets of Tehran; the evidence pointed to Israeli agents. In 2011, a military arms depot was blown up, killing 17 people. The incident was similar to a blast in October 2010 at an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps missile base in Khorrambad. Both acts of sabotage were attributed to Israel.” (“Rethinking Iran’s Terrorism Designation”, M. Reza Behnam, Counterpunch)

So while there’s no hard evidence of Iran sponsoring terrorism, there’s a heckuva alot of proof that Washington and Tel Aviv have been up to no good, including cyber-warfare (Stuxnet), targeted assassinations, arming anti-government groups (and foreign jihadists in Syria), and all manner of violent covert operations aimed at toppling the government and installing another compliant meat-puppet.

But “Wait”, you say, “What about Iran’s support for Hezbollah and Hamas? Aren’t they terrorist organizations?”

No, they’re not. They might be enemies of Washington and Tel Aviv, but that doesn’t make them terrorists. Was Hezbollah acting like a terrorist organization in 2006 when they defended their country against Israeli aggression and booted the IDF back over the border where they belonged?

No, that was self defense, not terrorism. Here’s more:

“Tehran does not support “international” terrorism, but it does provide material support to regional movements that it calls the oppressed, whose battle is directed toward the state of Israel—Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. These groups have used violence against Israel to end the brutal occupation of their land……Iran’s leaders believe that Israel’s long-term goal is to weaken the Islamic world, eliminating all resistance, in order to carry out its expansionist designs.” (“Rethinking Iran’s Terrorism Designation”, M. Reza Behnam, Counterpunch)

The truth is, you can’t believe anything you read about Iran in the mainstream media. It’s all agenda-driven fake news concocted to justify more sword-rattling, more sanctions and more bloody foreign wars. Critical thinkers should look for alternate sources of news so they can analyze the information themselves and make up their own minds.

 
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  1. Brabantian says: • Website

    With Donald Trump’s exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled ‘I’m a hostage’ face – ‘I don’t want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them’

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs – try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that … Trump’s ‘the odds are against me’ visage … To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia … Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia’s ‘allies’

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack … Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight’s Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians … never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel … Vladimir ‘Jewtin’ as they ‘anti-semitically’ call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

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    • Replies: @WHAT
    I guess Putin is to just to throw everything on Syria without considering politics anywhere else. Otherwise, he's a sionist puppet, unlike Saint "Order me anything Adelson" Donnie who through his saintly ways has lost agency while being a serving President.

    Yeah, that is how statemanship works!
    , @Momus
    I'm embarrassed to say I read your comment.
    , @Realist

    With Donald Trump’s exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled ‘I’m a hostage’ face – ‘I don’t want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them’
     
    Don't make excuses for Trump. He caused his own problems. He is a shallow, nutless, little man.
    , @TT

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians … never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel … Vladimir ‘Jewtin’ as they ‘anti-semitically’ call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group
     
    Putin has sold Syria & Iran for Russia interest & his cronies benefits. US knew, juz sanction Russian oligarchs, they will squeeze Putin's ball to kowtow West. Syria Assad & Iran rather die fighting invading enemies than be sold out by Russia. Its akin to a hen inviting a pretending fox ally to help resist a jackal, now the hen house is facing extra invader in cohort to split the chicken.

    The whites gov will not blink once to trade millions of lives for $, including their own whites men & nation. Fukus have been long waging endless wars for capitalists in name of humanity.

    Only China so far has been consistently proving itself as reliable ally, willing to sacrifice a limb to protect them. But those foolish leaders opted to go with US the jackal against China like my country, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran ending are all our good examples.
    , @Ivan
    Putin was never going to get involved in an Israeli-Iranian fight. He made it as clear as was possible, that neither the Hizballah or the Iranians could expect the Russians to back them up, if they threaten the Israelis . The Russians have a limited objective in Syria, that of the survival of Syria in some form. The Israelis seemed to have respected that, in that they have not sought to kill Assad or members of his government. The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. Russia does not want to get bogged down in a quagmire, or fight the Israelis.
    , @AndrewR
    This is the stupidest comment I can recall reading recently, on multiple levels.
    , @Wayne Pacific
    Anyone that is President of the USA should be prepared to die for what is right. They expect that of the soldiers sent into combat. Nothing less should be expected of Trump. But being a corrupt politician and a man without real honor, he will bend to the will of those who have any type of power over him.
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  2. When will we be given a chance for regime change here in America?
    Wonder why want us disarmed?
    Fuck DC and Israel

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig, Z-man
    • Replies: @Realist

    When will we be given a chance for regime change here in America?
     
    You won't be given anything....you have to take it.
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  3. It is absolutely mind boggling that Sheldon Adelson purchased control of US foreign policy for a measly $35 million per election cycle.

    Possibly the most extreme leverage in world history.

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    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    As Solsjenytsyn already describes about jews in tzarist Russia, bribing officials is a jewish custom.
    Bleichröder did not directly bribe the German kaiser and his entourage, but he did bail them out of heavy investment losses.
    Fritz Stern, 'Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire', New York, 1977
    So, in the USA moneycracy, I'm not surprised that money determines USA foreign policy.
    Yet, if the USA still can afford this luxury, I wonder.
    And I wonder what all the fuss is about Trump ending the deal.
    In a short time he's meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
    Did anyone consider that more economic antagonism between European states and the USA may suit Trump ?
    I for one will not be surprised when in a few months time Trump is meeting the Iranian leaders.
    , @animalogic
    In the "capitalist" USA the very best investment is in politicians. The returns on investment can be in many 100's of percent (ie big pharma to name just one)
    , @smellyoilandgas
    At the Global level
    Pharaoh (and their public and private corporations that hold massively profitable wealth; in the form of
    monopolies created fr\thin air or existing gov monopolies privatized by transfer to private enterprise,
    but rule of law; these people are global and they know each other).

    At the local nation state level (250 different nations states more or less)

    Salaried slave drivers ( these people run the bureaucracies; staff and provision intelligence, security and military and keep them ready for Pharaoh request to get someone or something bumped off; and they make the laws that do these things:
    1) make the laws and grant government controls that create Pharaoh wealth and income
    2) they make the laws that siphon from Slave activity the profits and shuffle them to the Pharaohs.
    3) make the laws that keep the slaves under secure watch and in a totally controlled information environment
    4) make the laws that require slaves to get licenses to do work, and get education to get jobs,
    5) make ticket and price gate laws (library services, water, sewerage, energy, garbage).
    6) make laws that deny or highly discourage competition to Pharaoh businesses)

    Shelton's empire may be larger than most nation states; but its small by comparison? Want to make America great again cancel the laws that allow things to be patented, copyrighted or that allow people to own private property to lease out to others. Over night these giant corporations will collapse, and almost as quickly, hundreds of thousands of small business will pop up to compete with them.
    Its competition the Pharaohs do not want and its security from the slaves that the Pharaohs do want.

    Want to know why the Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen wars: check on the locations of the oil and gas wells and poppy fields to see who owns them and who produces product from them, you will then be able to figure out why you nation must protect the Pharaoh.
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  4. Presidency for sale at home and abroad! Mike Cohen is earning money on his presidency at home and he’s selling himself to Zios and Saudis in favor of Israel. In fact he was just rewarded again by Sheldon for another $30M the day after he pulled the plug on JCPOA!

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  5. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

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    I just found this piece a couple of days ago, which states that the CIA threw out the Shah:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/component/k2/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened

    Then shortly afterwards, the U.S. instigated the Iran-Iraq war ... an unbroken chain of horrors imposed on that country. It is remarkable that Iran is in fact not the main sponsor of terror against America - you couldn't really blame them if they were.
    , @Ivan
    I knew some Iranians in India during the 80s, they could not afford to study in the US or Europe, and so came to India. Some of them already had families. They were pretty traditional Shias in their religion. They were all of the opinion that while the Shah was bad, the mullahs were much worse and Iran was many times worse off under Khomeinei when compared to the days of the Shah.. They had no desire to return to Iran either and be thrown into the Iran-Iraq meat grinder, that lasted from 1980 to 1988. Oh and it was then that I learned about the Basanj recruiting children, promising them Paradise if only they could brave the Iraqi minefields. Scum of the earth, rose to the top in those days as they did in every revolution.
    , @Reactionary Utopian

    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.
     
    Why in God's name would we be making these finely-calibrated judgements about who's worse, the late Shah or the mullahs? The point is, it's none of our damned business. Obviously, we should never have installed the Shah, back in the 1950s. Obviously, we should have kept our hands off. What's to do about it now? Well, you know what they say about finding yourself in a hole, holding a shovel: stop digging. The thing to do right-the-hell-now is get our hands off.

    In a perverse way, Trump is right to pull out of the "Iran deal," because we never should have been party to it in the first place. Because whether the Iranians make nuclear weapons or not is none of our business. But, of course, the Orange Clown isn't getting out of the deal to mind our own business; he's getting out so he can impose new "sanctions," and bully the Euros into doing the same. And, yes, he's got his nose so far up Netanyahu's ass that ... well, you finish the crude metaphor; I'm sick of the whole thing. Meanwhile, what is our business and does concern us -- control of the Mexican border -- is being studiously ignored. Impeach the son of a bitch and be damned. If we're to be ruled by neoconnery -- obviously, not much of an "if" there -- might as well have a real neocon doing it.
    , @anon
    Yaakov Nimrodi who was posted in 1953 and spent next 13 yrs. in Iran said,: “
    When one day we shall be permitted to talk about all that we have done in Iran, you will be horrified. it is beyond your imagination”
    Yaakov Nimrodi was an intelligence and military operative out of ISRAEL was involved training the torture unit of SAVAK
    P 40
    SPY TRADE
    How Israeli’s Lobby Undermines American Economy
    By Grant F. Smith
    , @Levy
    These are pro Shah pro Israel portion of the population just ask them.
    , @Monty Ahwazi
    Unfortunately you’re not accurate about the Iranians living in the LA area! Majority of these people are in fact pro-Shah and escaped the country immediately after the revolution. These people were not Iranian patriots and many of them were as corrupt as the Pahlavi family! In fact Pahlavi family was condoning corruption to cover their own corruption!
    , @Druid
    Did you know that a lot of them are Iranian Jews
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  6. Seraphim says:

    But what about Jared Kushner, Ivanka who ‘converted’ to Judaism, about the pride expressed by the Trump that she has a ‘beautiful Jewish baby’, what about his life-long dealings with the Jews*

    *“He surrounds himself oddly enough with Jewish personnel, both then and now: his real estate lawyer is Jewish, his house counsel is Jewish, his controller is Jewish, his chief of staff, chief financial officer, executive vice president, his first executive vice president – I was his litigator for 15 years,” Jay Goldberg, who worked for Trump from 1990 to 2005, said in an interview…
    “When we talk about the Jewish community and I really think about it, I can’t think of one Christian person on his senior staff,” said Goldberg, who will vote for Trump in November. “It’s amazing to me. It’s almost prejudice in favor of Jewish people….
    But Trump has also given generously to Jewish philanthropic organizations, including the Jewish National Fund and United Jewish Appeal, dating back to his very early career. Many of his donations and event appearances were quite private and went unrewarded – at least with publicity, a commodity Trump values enormously…
    Trump often touts his connections to the community and hangs several Jewish awards prominently above his desk in Trump Tower, including JNF’s Tree of Life, awarded to him in 1983 for his fund-raising abilities, according to one longtime board member…
    “Deep down I think Donald has a Jewish heart,” said Greenblatt (executive vice president and chief legal officer at the Trump Organization), who has attended services with Trump where he would hum along to Aleinu and stand and sit with the flow of ritual. “I wouldn’t say that he isn’t equally fond of non- Jews who share the same work ethic as his own. I think he’s very much an equal opportunity type of person.”
    And last but not least this pearl:
    “My feeling was, ‘I figured out how to use Jews to my advantage.’”!

    @https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Donald-Trump/Pride-and-affirmative-prejudice-The-complex-history-of-Donald-Trump-and-the-Jews-468120

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    You are over-thinking this. Trump is like the old time signories, he wants numerous descendants. I do not think that he would mind a Muslim grandchild if that is what he is presented with.
    , @Talleyrand
    Jewish, Calvinist...What's the difference?
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  7. WHAT says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    I guess Putin is to just to throw everything on Syria without considering politics anywhere else. Otherwise, he’s a sionist puppet, unlike Saint “Order me anything Adelson” Donnie who through his saintly ways has lost agency while being a serving President.

    Yeah, that is how statemanship works!

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  8. Taras77 says:

    A couple of other zionist billionaires had a hand in controlling trump; to state the obvious, trump is way over his head in this zionist cabal and has no control over anything.

    https://www.sott.net/article/385238-Follow-the-money-How-three-billionaires-paved-the-way-for-Trump-to-withdraw-from-the-JCPOA

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    ...to state the obvious, trump is way over his head in this zionist cabal and has no control over anything.
     
    Yeah I was hoping Trump had something up his sleeve in playing the Zionist card game. Maybe to push more of a White Nationalist agenda while appeasing the Jews. Protect his flanks while going forward on many of his populist campaign slogans. Maybe even giving Netanyahu everything until Trump would force a 'deal' on him with the Palestinians.
    ....But sad to say the statement above is getting closer to reality than my wishful thinking.
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  9. … just as the destruction of Syria would have benefited Israel. (had it succeeded.)

    For all practical reasons, Syria is destroyed. Admittedly, in stark contrast to Iraq and Libya, the shards have not been ground to dust.

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  10. It’s all baloney. Iran hasn’t had a day’s rest since it removed the miscreant Shah in 1979.

    The Shah may not have been loved by the western left, but would you, 40 years later, not consider to take a close and critical look at western policies toward the murderous bunch of islamists who replaced him?

    Have you ever considered that his downfall was payback for his role in the oil crisis, when Israeli Aggression was met with fierce resistance from the Arab and Muslim world – for the last time, if I remember rightly?

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    True. The Shah was a heavy when it came to squeezing the oil market through OPEC in those days.
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  11. I think Trump would have got out of the deal whether he had financial backing from Adelson et al. or not. Netanyahu (and the Saudis) would have got to Kushner who would have got to the President. Iran lost bigtime on US election night.

    As much as Iran may hate Israel they have utter disdain for Saudi Arabia. They do not believe SA serves as a proper site for the Hajj. Between Jews and Sunnis lobbying the Trump administration, Iran is in a difficult position indeed and will have to do everything it can to align with Western Europe and hope they aid in fending off support for a hostile Israel (from US). It is said that while not admitting to its nuclear capabilities, Isl has 100 nukes pointed at Tehran.

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    Whether one likes the Israelis or not, the long smoldering revolutionary elements in Iran, have a game plan to take the leadership role in the Islamic world from the Saudis, by confronting the Israelis; ostensibly over Palestine. They hope to entangle the Israelis in the sort of unwindable war we saw in Lebanon, that they are the experts in. The Israelis have put the kibosh in it, and in spite of Netanyahu, I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.
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  12. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish billionaire gangsters and Israelis are destroying the United States of America. Casino owners and wall street bankers run our economy. Billionaires head important agencies created to defend “we the people” from corpratocrcy. They all make Richard M. Nixon seem like the Pope.

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  13. I do not read that in 1911 Russia and Great Britain ended the Iranian democracy:
    W. Morgan Shuster, ´The strangling of Persia, Story of the European diplomacy and oriental intrigue that resulted in the denationalisation of twelve million Mohammedans’, New York, 1912
    or, how in WWII, the USSR and the west did not give a damn about Iranian sovereignty.
    That Trump promised jewish big spenders something, quite possible.
    As Hollings said in a 2004, ‘that is politics’: Bush jr promising war on Iraq to AIPAC, if he got the jewish votes.
    It now seems to me that Trump ending the Iran deal is misused by Israel as was the 1947 vote in the UN general assembly about a political division of Palestine.
    However, at the time zionists had been preparing for war since 1939, and had hardly any military opponents, except for the tiny Jordan army, there were no Arab armies.
    This time Syria is well armed, and Iran does have an army.
    But maybe, possibly, there is just a show going on.
    Netanyahu just was in Moscow, what he discussed with Putin, who knows ?
    Maybe Putin also does not like Iranian forces in Syria, if Assad likes them, another question.

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  14. @John Gruskos
    It is absolutely mind boggling that Sheldon Adelson purchased control of US foreign policy for a measly $35 million per election cycle.

    Possibly the most extreme leverage in world history.

    As Solsjenytsyn already describes about jews in tzarist Russia, bribing officials is a jewish custom.
    Bleichröder did not directly bribe the German kaiser and his entourage, but he did bail them out of heavy investment losses.
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977
    So, in the USA moneycracy, I’m not surprised that money determines USA foreign policy.
    Yet, if the USA still can afford this luxury, I wonder.
    And I wonder what all the fuss is about Trump ending the deal.
    In a short time he’s meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
    Did anyone consider that more economic antagonism between European states and the USA may suit Trump ?
    I for one will not be surprised when in a few months time Trump is meeting the Iranian leaders.

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    In a short time he’s meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
     
    The only safe place is Beijing, where NK Kim can traveled safely with armoured train & not get assinated under China protection, and China is the rightful arbitrator that can give NK guaranteed. According to China news, Trumps wanted to score political points by avoiding China & Korea border. China deemed Spore a safe place to meet.

    But everyone know Spore is a stooge controlled by US, with USN & India Navy forcing it to open Navy base for their usage. USAF also used its military airport. All these are part of choking China sea lane in Malacca straits. So Singapore is never a neutral party to trust, it will do whatever US told.

    When Iraq Saddam dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. When Gaddafi of Libya also dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. Once Syria dismantled its Bio&Chemical WMD under Putin help, FUKUS-Israel invaded directly. Now its Iran turn for trusting the UNSC + Germany to give up all its weapon grade uranium & nuclear capabilty under Jcpoa, US-Israel are ready to invade. The same textbook of defank & kill of FUKUS-Israel.

    So what's there to sign with a crook like US when it juz tear away a international agreement to prepare for Iran invasion? Is Kim & all his 20M people so foolish can't see all these?

    Of course not. Its Prez Xi agreed to play along Trumps game, get that damn rocket man NK Kim nuke dream castrated first, then have US no more excuse to put a huge army right at its door step. With only China can guarantee NK & his security/prosperity, Kim knew he has no choice but to go. Spore will be fried if it dare allow US to took Kim away.

    Not surprise Kim may arrive in Prez Xi plane with J15 ascort, and a flotilla of China navy & nuke submarine nearby ready to took down Trump Air force One if they tried to be funny. USM has also activated a number of F22 in disguise of Korea war game today. This show China is confident that Asia is within its power projection.
    , @Ivan
    How about a mini suicide sub from the Nork Navy for the Rocketman?
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  15. Momus says:

    Trump clearly sees Israel as a close strategic ally and as the Western interests lynchpin in the region.

    He accepts Netanyahu as a great leader; some say of almost Churchillian stature, and can see vis a vis Saudia Arabia and Egypt the great good that is flowing from Israel’s resolute stance against the mendacity of Iran.

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    There are quite a few other reasons possible for Trump's behaviour, maybe some are valid with others:
    - buying time against Deep State
    - getting money for elections
    - profiling himself within a few months as saviour, as he does with Kim
    - allowing more stability in Syria through letting Israel destroy the Iranians there
    - creating some economic war with the European countries, that will increase employment in the USA
    - forcing the European countries to pay more to NATO
    About Churchill, he was the undertaker of the British empire.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    "The mendacity of Iran". That makes you sound like someone who is confident of knowing a lot of important and coherent stuff about Iran. (No doubt the words "shill" and "troll" would come easily from some UR commenters, but not me). If you do know and have thought anything worth reading about Iran would you please lay out and explain what you know that justifies condemning Iran particularly for mendacity and comment on the view that, were it not for the remaining dominance of the Ayatollahs and their Revolutionary Guard, Iran would probably be the most modern and Western compatible country in the Middle East? Would you care to describe and comment on the significance of Iran's ethnic mix? Likewise its youthfulness and almost European fertility? (Cp. Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Muslim black Africa etc)

    If you do know anything to justify your strong opinion I would, genuinely, value your further contribution.

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  16. Momus says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    I’m embarrassed to say I read your comment.

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  18. As indicated by the facts of the article, the payoff of Israeli Trump supporters was a major rationale for his Iran policy change. Unfortunately, it is the same imperialist crap. I think the Chinese ought to provide the Iranians with nuclear weapons to checkmate the zionist crowd. A missile hitting an Israeli nuclear reactor is another threat. If the sanctions, as is likely, lead to blowback damaging the yankee economy, I think the scapegoats will be obvious, as they will be if a war breaks out and serious consequences occur, provided they are not serious enough to eliminate our survival.

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    No. The Israelis at least have him hands down the best by a mile.
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  20. @John Gruskos
    It is absolutely mind boggling that Sheldon Adelson purchased control of US foreign policy for a measly $35 million per election cycle.

    Possibly the most extreme leverage in world history.

    In the “capitalist” USA the very best investment is in politicians. The returns on investment can be in many 100′s of percent (ie big pharma to name just one)

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  21. Trump is a Zionist like Bannon and like his daughter. America first was always a lie.

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?

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    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?
     
    imagine you're Alan Dershowitz (I know, I know ; )

    But imagine you're getting (almost) everything you want from Trump. He's moving the embassy, he's running cover for the atrocities and so forth.

    So you want him there to continue doing your works for you, but what if he backslides? What if he tries to make nice with Putin/Hitler?

    What if he actually were to make progress on the 'Nazi hate wall', or other racist, gas chamber-like agendas of the Deplorables/Nazis? (the Deplorables want to end Affirmative Action, which would be = Holocaust II)

    You want to keep him in line, you see? You want to always have the pressure on. So even as you laud his accomplishments to his face, behind the scenes you're also pushing the knife in, and undermining him at every turn.

    Not enough perhaps to undo his presidency, but just enough to keep him toeing the line. That's what Mueller is for. That's what the 24/7 media hate-campaign is for.

    They'll allow some minor concessions to his base, like a few tariffs to bolster employment, and some other things, but for anything really serious, like Trump's Neville Chamberlain attempt to vacate Syria, they're going to keep the pressure on.
    , @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?
     
    Take another step back, see the stage the actors stand on? On both sides? It's the same stage.

    Inquisitor Mueller and Trump both serve the same Jewish masters. Was that not obvious by the way he's looking for Russian collusion when the Trump administration is dripping with so much Israeli collusion that the investigation would have concluded in 24 hours had it gone that direction?

    Trump, Mueller and this whole inquisition are just about inciting the already easily led around by the nose masses into a state of further hostility and social division. Trump's persecution is per the script. As is his unreasonable tolerance of Mueller's absurdly and blatantly biased operation. And that of his crooked AG, Sessions. Just the normal divide and conquer paradigm they've been running for the better part of a century now in the US. Trump was the false hope candidate from the beginning, in case those damning family ties were not a large enough red flag. Not saying Hillary would have been better. Just that the duopoly is as alive and well as ever.



    Sooner or later the left will be given back control. Intentionally. So that they can take their next turn shaking the jar of bees that is America.

    Ordo ab chao. That's the unspoken narrative, right? It's seemed quite clear to me for a long time now that whatever plans for tightening their grip on America the Jews/Elites/Synagogue of Satan/insert-identifier-of choice-here have, they involve intentionally provoking civil war at some point. I assume they'll use their already borderline militant groups like BLM, Reconquista, ANTIFA, Nation of Islam, white helmets, UN, foreign armies et al. as proxys to eradicate the demographics they consider undesirable, much like how they use everyone from ISIS to 'moderates' in their sandbox puppet theater. And the media will neglect to cover it or blame it on Rothschild enemy X,Y, or Z, just as they do in the ME.

    The US gov't already took all that time to conduct that massive military drill, Jade Helm, to move a metric ****ton of military equipment around the country, under a complete media blackout. And none of those tanks and MRAPs etc were ever filmed going back the way they came.

    Everything seems to be in place. At least in the US. The powers that be appear to be sort of just further winding up Americans for the big 'snap', like a rubber band, while they finish setting the broader stage in Europe via the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan's demographic replacement outline in conjunction with the displaced hordes conveniently being created by the US and Israel's Oded Yinon Plan expansionist war in the ME.

    Once the West's summary destruction is sufficiently ensured, they'll light the proverbial fuse with the collapse of the US dollar and Western Civilization will basically kink in the middle and crumble onto it's own footprint like the controlled demolition that this whole multi-generational 'New World Order' operation is.

    The West loses it's hegemony, the UN loses it's ability to enforce it's moratoriums on crimes against humanity (not that it really had much pull there to begin with), Israel is free to ethnically cleanse and push as much of the remaining Arab population as it needs to into Europe, to mongrelize Europeans out of existence as per the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, and Israel expands it's borders unimpeded as per the Yinon Plan while the Jews/elites/whathaveyou gain free reign to do as they please in the ruins of the West while their Ministry of Truth dictates reality to the fearful remnants of the new and finalized 'Prole' class.

    As for the only other real player on the board, I can only imagine China's summary destruction is included there somewhere as well. They're already ruled by a totalitarian ideology of Semitic origin, which does not bode well. But I expect it will be by some means of large scale, environmentally friendly, ethnic cleansing, since they've got the most population to trim down to that golden 500 mil number of humans on the planet that the Georgia Guidestones mention in various languages. If you believe that stuff, anyway. Personally I believe the enemy likes to publicly boast about it's plans. Knowing most won't believe it anyway.
    , @BDS
    with the noose (the threat of impeachment and prosecution hanging over his head) tightening by the day, Trump has no choice but to do as he's told.
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  22. Pindos says: • Website

    Pennies for treason. jews have our number

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  23. Realist says:
    @redmudhooch
    When will we be given a chance for regime change here in America?
    Wonder why want us disarmed?
    Fuck DC and Israel

    When will we be given a chance for regime change here in America?

    You won’t be given anything….you have to take it.

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    Indeed.
    The only thing to choose is the right time.
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  24. Realist says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    With Donald Trump’s exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled ‘I’m a hostage’ face – ‘I don’t want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them’

    Don’t make excuses for Trump. He caused his own problems. He is a shallow, nutless, little man.

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  25. Either that, or he just loves Israel and no quid pro quo is necessary.

    After all, he was the grand marshall of NYC’s Salute to Israel parade.

    They wanted a goyische businessman with name recognition who loves Israel and no other political baggage. ;)

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  26. Chump is controlled opposition for the khazarian mafia, plain and simple. I’ve said all along that the funds he received from Adelson, and probably Soros as well come with a price tag. The only campaign promises chump keeps are the ones he made during his pandering to AIPAC speech.

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  27. TT says:

    “President Donald
    Trump has just fulfilled
    a campaign pledge to
    tear up the Obama
    administration’s
    signature foreign policy
    achievement…the Joint
    Comprehensive Plan of
    Action or JCPOA. (The
    Iran Nukes deal)…..

    What’s else does murkhans want from their elected prez, besides keeping his campaign promises that you elected for? Don’t cry over what you choose. Trumps tried to fulfil as many campaign promises as he can, much honorable than every past US prez who lied to teeth, Obama even get rewarded with Noble Peace for starting his 2 Libya & Syria terrorism wars.

    At least Trumps juz tear away Jcpoa & TPP he don’t like, sent US embassy to Jerusalem that all past prez promised with congress long approved. Trumps is a unpackaged true American, unlike every single shameless lying hypocrite US politician.

    What have the rest of murkans do to help US & the world? Nothing, but more protest to block immigration laws to deport illegals, push for LBGT rights, Dreamer’s right, Opiods rights, Abortion rights, Guns ownershipn & Mass shooting rights, …that’s all they care about.

    Never done anything for peace, not a single one goes to street with ply card to protest US terrorism done in ME, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, Africa, Philippine, Indonesia…a long list. After threatening to fire & fury wipe out NK, now its Iran. Still no murkhans will do slightest thing to stop their elected gov murderous war crimes committed everywhere paid by their tax money, as long warmart still stock up & McDonald sell Big Mac.

    This is what murkans called themselves, the exceptional Great American – building endless greed on others blood.

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    Do you have to tell the excruciating truth and make us all feel suicidal?????
    , @Caijoe
    .He also promised to build a wall so one has to take his promises with a grain of salt. Not in their promise of fulfillment but in their inane conception.
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  28. @Momus
    Trump clearly sees Israel as a close strategic ally and as the Western interests lynchpin in the region.

    He accepts Netanyahu as a great leader; some say of almost Churchillian stature, and can see vis a vis Saudia Arabia and Egypt the great good that is flowing from Israel's resolute stance against the mendacity of Iran.

    There are quite a few other reasons possible for Trump’s behaviour, maybe some are valid with others:
    - buying time against Deep State
    - getting money for elections
    - profiling himself within a few months as saviour, as he does with Kim
    - allowing more stability in Syria through letting Israel destroy the Iranians there
    - creating some economic war with the European countries, that will increase employment in the USA
    - forcing the European countries to pay more to NATO
    About Churchill, he was the undertaker of the British empire.

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  29. @Realist

    When will we be given a chance for regime change here in America?
     
    You won't be given anything....you have to take it.

    Indeed.
    The only thing to choose is the right time.

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    And that must be chosen correctly.
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  30. Momus says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/ElliottRHams/status/994580440290820096

    No. The Israelis at least have him hands down the best by a mile.

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  31. For an interesting take on what could be a red herring aspect of this adventure
    see Club Orlov    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/  of 5/10/2018 regarding the 120+ billion of Iranian money, we hold in dollars, the dead broke US gets to keep by pulling out of the deal. Donald will relent, rewrite the treaty, keep the dough. Who’s the King of Deals anyway?

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/04/30/and-then-we-were-capitalists-or/

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    They are already making a play for the billions by accusing the Iranians of being behind 9/11. Watch for that very special kind of New York sanctimony that comes into play, when they reach into someone's pocket.
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  32. Jake says:

    Saudi Arabia benefits at least as much as Israel.

    The Saudis would ally literally with Satan, allying the Accuser to sodomize all non-Royal Arab boys, in order to reduce Iran forever, for that would destroy Shiite Islam having any power base and signal that Islam is culturally and linguistic Semitic, Arabic, and that Indo-European speakers and their cultures and nations have no stance before Allah.

    In cultural and linguistic terms, Israel allied with Saudi Arabia against Iran makes sense: Semites.

    The US and UK allied with the 2 Semites makes sense because of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which is the basis of WASP culture.

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    Anglo-Saxon Puritans stood by at Lepanto. Attacked the Orthodox Russians while claiming that Ottoman Empire was the "sick man of Europe", whereas Russia was part of the Yellow Peril. These pork-eating Judaisers have a lot to answer for.
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  33. Mike P says:
    @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    I just found this piece a couple of days ago, which states that the CIA threw out the Shah:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/component/k2/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened

    Then shortly afterwards, the U.S. instigated the Iran-Iraq war … an unbroken chain of horrors imposed on that country. It is remarkable that Iran is in fact not the main sponsor of terror against America – you couldn’t really blame them if they were.

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    The Shah may have had pretensions of grandeur, but he was as authoritarians go, pretty mild for the Middle-East. Unfortunately, he wasn't paying attention to the bazaari class, who were the main financial backers of the Islamists. They all moved into plum positions and instead of a single oppressor, the Iranians were faced with a myriad of oppressors from the merchant and mullah classes.
    , @RobinG
    "I just found this piece ..., which states that the CIA threw out the Shah"

    Are you saying that you found this particular piece (a mercifully short summary), or that you just learned about CIA/Iran in 1953, etc.? Here is a long version, written in 1991, with copious footnotes. I regard it as the white paper that ruined my life, since before that I was blissfully ignorant.

    Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 159:"Ancient History": U.S. Conduct in the Middle East Since World War II and the Folly of Intervention https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa159.pdf
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  34. Trump is compromised by the Zionist bankers who hold the loans on his properties and by his hidden background which evidently holds some dark matters and as a result he is a puppet of the Zionists who rule America.

    If anyone doubts that the Zionists rule America , just remember they did 911 and got away with it.

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  35. Joe Hide says:

    I back Donald Trump on the Iran deal because of the unimaginable improvements in Korea, Syria, our economy, and the continued outings of the depraved goings on in high level politicians, CEO’s, celebrities, etc. These events give him historical, results oriented, and reality based validation.
    When this all blows over Iran will be a better place for everyone, including the tens of millions of Iranian people. Only the elitist Iranian theocrats and allied new world order globalists will be hurt.
    Good Luck President Trump!

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    I tend to agree with you, especially about the economy. That’s what matters, not all this missionary worrying about the rest of the world.

    The thing I like most about Trump is that jews & liberals hate him. They hate me too and constantly work to make the position of me and every other normal White person in this country worse.

    There seems to be a major split in the Jewish community. 95 % and the Jewish press hate him passionately but the 5% that put him in office are using him for the benefit of Jews and Israel????
    By Jewish press I mean the Jewish community press, not the rest of the media which is also the Jewish media.
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  36. TT says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians … never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel … Vladimir ‘Jewtin’ as they ‘anti-semitically’ call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    Putin has sold Syria & Iran for Russia interest & his cronies benefits. US knew, juz sanction Russian oligarchs, they will squeeze Putin’s ball to kowtow West. Syria Assad & Iran rather die fighting invading enemies than be sold out by Russia. Its akin to a hen inviting a pretending fox ally to help resist a jackal, now the hen house is facing extra invader in cohort to split the chicken.

    The whites gov will not blink once to trade millions of lives for $, including their own whites men & nation. Fukus have been long waging endless wars for capitalists in name of humanity.

    Only China so far has been consistently proving itself as reliable ally, willing to sacrifice a limb to protect them. But those foolish leaders opted to go with US the jackal against China like my country, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran ending are all our good examples.

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  37. clipart says: • Website

    Trump blew up at homeland security chief over border security

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  38. Tulip says:

    This article would have been better titled “Does Shit Flow Downhill?”

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  39. TT says:
    @jilles dykstra
    As Solsjenytsyn already describes about jews in tzarist Russia, bribing officials is a jewish custom.
    Bleichröder did not directly bribe the German kaiser and his entourage, but he did bail them out of heavy investment losses.
    Fritz Stern, 'Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire', New York, 1977
    So, in the USA moneycracy, I'm not surprised that money determines USA foreign policy.
    Yet, if the USA still can afford this luxury, I wonder.
    And I wonder what all the fuss is about Trump ending the deal.
    In a short time he's meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
    Did anyone consider that more economic antagonism between European states and the USA may suit Trump ?
    I for one will not be surprised when in a few months time Trump is meeting the Iranian leaders.

    In a short time he’s meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?

    The only safe place is Beijing, where NK Kim can traveled safely with armoured train & not get assinated under China protection, and China is the rightful arbitrator that can give NK guaranteed. According to China news, Trumps wanted to score political points by avoiding China & Korea border. China deemed Spore a safe place to meet.

    But everyone know Spore is a stooge controlled by US, with USN & India Navy forcing it to open Navy base for their usage. USAF also used its military airport. All these are part of choking China sea lane in Malacca straits. So Singapore is never a neutral party to trust, it will do whatever US told.

    When Iraq Saddam dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. When Gaddafi of Libya also dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. Once Syria dismantled its Bio&Chemical WMD under Putin help, FUKUS-Israel invaded directly. Now its Iran turn for trusting the UNSC + Germany to give up all its weapon grade uranium & nuclear capabilty under Jcpoa, US-Israel are ready to invade. The same textbook of defank & kill of FUKUS-Israel.

    So what’s there to sign with a crook like US when it juz tear away a international agreement to prepare for Iran invasion? Is Kim & all his 20M people so foolish can’t see all these?

    Of course not. Its Prez Xi agreed to play along Trumps game, get that damn rocket man NK Kim nuke dream castrated first, then have US no more excuse to put a huge army right at its door step. With only China can guarantee NK & his security/prosperity, Kim knew he has no choice but to go. Spore will be fried if it dare allow US to took Kim away.

    Not surprise Kim may arrive in Prez Xi plane with J15 ascort, and a flotilla of China navy & nuke submarine nearby ready to took down Trump Air force One if they tried to be funny. USM has also activated a number of F22 in disguise of Korea war game today. This show China is confident that Asia is within its power projection.

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    Since when did the Malacca Straits become a Chinese sea lane? The Chicoms are able to use it in same way as anyone else, since that body of water comes under the freedom of navigation convention. A convention insisted upon incidentally by the US and British a long time ago, when Indonesia wanted to claim half of it as its territory, since it adjoins Sumatra. Bloody Chicoms do not even know the meaning of conventions, or maritime maps and they want to pretend to undergird the world order. The Americans may be bad but the Chicoms are a hundred times worse.
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  40. Ivan says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    Putin was never going to get involved in an Israeli-Iranian fight. He made it as clear as was possible, that neither the Hizballah or the Iranians could expect the Russians to back them up, if they threaten the Israelis . The Russians have a limited objective in Syria, that of the survival of Syria in some form. The Israelis seemed to have respected that, in that they have not sought to kill Assad or members of his government. The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. Russia does not want to get bogged down in a quagmire, or fight the Israelis.

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    Putin also doesn't seem interested in "getting involved" in Ukraine even though the fascists are running the place and killing Russians.

    One is supposed to believe that Russia's secret service didn't know about the "coup d'état" that destroyed the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    Putin's friend , the King of Israel, is a warmonger and war criminal -

    Of course people are free to choose their friends. There isn't any geopolitical consequences in that kind of relationship. They just happen to like killing children who belong to an inferior race.

    Putin was put in power by the same forces that put Yeltsin in power. Those forces are still doing very well in Russia and around the world.

    "The Russians have a limited objective in Syria" ....That is correct. And that "objective" was the one that was given to Putin by his master, who lives in Israel and is very interested in building the "great Israel".

    "The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. "

    The Iranians are not cowards. They were invited by the Syrian government to help them fight the terrorists. And the Iranians, contrary to Putin, know who is the real terrorist in Syria.

    Those who are interested in peace and justice, can only hope that Iranians do have a secret weapon and when the moment is right, use it.

    Putin is not interested in justice or peace. He's only interested in the art of geopolitics. Like his friend: the great criminal and warmonger.
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  41. Ivan says:
    @TT


    In a short time he’s meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
     
    The only safe place is Beijing, where NK Kim can traveled safely with armoured train & not get assinated under China protection, and China is the rightful arbitrator that can give NK guaranteed. According to China news, Trumps wanted to score political points by avoiding China & Korea border. China deemed Spore a safe place to meet.

    But everyone know Spore is a stooge controlled by US, with USN & India Navy forcing it to open Navy base for their usage. USAF also used its military airport. All these are part of choking China sea lane in Malacca straits. So Singapore is never a neutral party to trust, it will do whatever US told.

    When Iraq Saddam dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. When Gaddafi of Libya also dismantled its WMD, FUKUS invaded. Once Syria dismantled its Bio&Chemical WMD under Putin help, FUKUS-Israel invaded directly. Now its Iran turn for trusting the UNSC + Germany to give up all its weapon grade uranium & nuclear capabilty under Jcpoa, US-Israel are ready to invade. The same textbook of defank & kill of FUKUS-Israel.

    So what's there to sign with a crook like US when it juz tear away a international agreement to prepare for Iran invasion? Is Kim & all his 20M people so foolish can't see all these?

    Of course not. Its Prez Xi agreed to play along Trumps game, get that damn rocket man NK Kim nuke dream castrated first, then have US no more excuse to put a huge army right at its door step. With only China can guarantee NK & his security/prosperity, Kim knew he has no choice but to go. Spore will be fried if it dare allow US to took Kim away.

    Not surprise Kim may arrive in Prez Xi plane with J15 ascort, and a flotilla of China navy & nuke submarine nearby ready to took down Trump Air force One if they tried to be funny. USM has also activated a number of F22 in disguise of Korea war game today. This show China is confident that Asia is within its power projection.

    Since when did the Malacca Straits become a Chinese sea lane? The Chicoms are able to use it in same way as anyone else, since that body of water comes under the freedom of navigation convention. A convention insisted upon incidentally by the US and British a long time ago, when Indonesia wanted to claim half of it as its territory, since it adjoins Sumatra. Bloody Chicoms do not even know the meaning of conventions, or maritime maps and they want to pretend to undergird the world order. The Americans may be bad but the Chicoms are a hundred times worse.

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    Since when did the Malacca Straits become a Chinese sea lane? The Chicoms are able to use it in same way as anyone else, since that body of water comes under the freedom of navigation convention.
     
    Ivan, don't make yourself a fool spewing your hatred of chicomm here without understanding what it means by trade sealanes. No one claimed Malacca straits belong to China, it only means Chinese sea trade passed thru Malacca S., why are you shrieking here?

    convention insisted upon incidentally by the US and British a long time ago, when Indonesia wanted to claim half of it as its territory, since it adjoins Sumatra. Bloody Chicoms do not even know the meaning of conventions, or maritime maps and they want to pretend to undergird the world order. The Americans may be bad but the Chicoms are a hundred times worse.
     
    Wtf you know about FON & Navi Conv? It means USN warships & spy surveillance vessels has the right to trespass any souvenir water within 12km of their shores without permission, but not vice versa, which is not under Navigation Convention rule. USN has been violating this to every countries incl its allies, and have military skirmishes with Iran & China regularly. USN shot down Iran civilian plane in act of war crime for that. Btw, you should know US is not a signatory of Nav Convention, remember duke, US slogan :do as i told you but not as i do, stupid.

    Chicomm know much better than FUKUS & you dumb brainwashed by US msm fake news. Chinese maintain FON according to international marine laws, civilian vessels have FON, but not bloody US Navy missiles warships, spy vessels & nuke submarines plying near your coast. Dumbf.

    Now read this article written by Spore Marine law researcher KT Tan about US-Jp-Philippine kangaroo fake Hague court ruling on SCS Spratly island:

    Professor Myron Nordquist, of the University of Virginia School of Law, has opined that the ruling was a “huge mistake” and should be “criticised severely”.

    “The PCA is not a court. It only provides a registry and secretarial assistance to “arbitral tribunals constituted to resolve specific disputes” for a fee.”

    Singpore researcher KT Tan wrote a article to absolutely debunked the absurb judgement clearly with facts supporting these SCS islands belong to China legally:
    http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/did-the-ruling-sink-the-rule-of-law

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2139450

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2139459

    Although im not from China & grown up in Western culture of British & US, i can tell you FUKUS is simply million times worst than chicom beyond comparison. Only you dumb f brainwashed by West msm is making stupid comment here on FON.

    Btw, Indonesia does has the right to claim half of Malacca Straits according to international marine law, 12KM from shore, 200KM EEZ, center line between two nations. But Spore force Indonesia to mutually gave up stupidly on such precious water right to make FUKUS happy, imagine every vessels entering Spore water will to subject to joint Spore-Indo approval & a fees of $1000. Its a huge sky fallen fortune for both, since routing thru outer Indonesia international water took much longer & risk facing pirates. Hence Indonesia harbour enmity towards Spore over this, as Spore still make money thru PSA ports but not Indo.

    It will be good if old hands like Denk, DB Cooper, Duke of Qin are around to educate you.
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  42. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    “In 1953, the CIA toppled the Iranian government, installed the Shah, helped to kill or imprison thousands of leftists and dissidents, fast-tracked the issuing of contracts to the giant oil corporations, helped arm and train the Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK, and plunged the country into 26 years of agonizing police-state repression and tyranny”

    I respond:

    I support the main perspective of this article – that Israel and Israeli Americans like Sheldon Adelson are dictating bad US policy in the region and inciting all these God awful wars against Iran, secular Arabs in Iraq, Syria. Nobody benefits except Israel.

    But this nonsense against the Shah of Iran is just, well nonsense. Iran under the Shah was a good, prosperous place – Persian women were allowed freedom and wore beautiful French fashions. The opposition to the Shah was:

    Leftist Communist “students” i.e. American SDS, Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffmans or Chilean Allende types, Hugo Chavez, Che etc.

    And

    8th Century Islamic nut cases that came to power through mob rule. Hell yes the US was right to support the Shah, train SAVAK – same as the US, CIA was right to back Chilean patriot Gen. Pinochet.

    It seems like yesterday that I was in high school ~ 1978 arguing with Liberal Left, bi sexual students who somehow claimed the anti American, anti Shah Islamic mob riots were like the French Revolution about “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”.

    Nahhhhh – it was about throwing a healthy, prosperous country with beautiful women back in to an Islamic dark ages.

    The American/Western 1968 Left always goes for 3rd world revolutions, mob rule knee jerk anti Americanism. It’s still around as these idiots try to spin Zionist Neo Conservative US/UK attacks, invasions of Iraq, Syria, Iran as the work of evil White Conservatives trying to steal poor brown people’s oil.

    “No War for Oil”.

    Now there doesn’t even seem to be a Lib Left Anti War movement in the USA or UK – it’s all about demonizing Trump and Trump supporters and looking for RACISTS that are mean to 8th Century Islamists who do things like child sex slave auctions and throwing gay people off of roofs.

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    I was told by an authority in these matters - a seaman - that the Persian women were the most beautiful women in the world.
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  43. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    No Muslim should trust traitor Putin and racist Russia.

    Russia is in Syria to KILL MUSLIMS and to collect all the cards to benefit itself and the criminal west. In this regard, Putin is trying to push Iranians out and partition Syria according to Oded Yinon. That’s why gave a green light to Turkey to come in so the dog of imperialism and zionism gives him another card to play against interest of Syria and for the INTEREST OF ISRAEL.

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-real-reason-putin-supports-assad/

    No one should forget that Russia and China voted for ALL SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. Two days on BBC a British official said Russia is happy with the US decision on Iran deal, although liar Lavruv pretends Russia disagrees. Russia wants to control all the pipeline, thus, to deny Iran of improving economic situation and, like the criminal west, to keep Iran dependent and POOR.
    This history of Russia in Iran is dark and almost all Iranians DO NOT TRUST RUSSIA. It is very stupid of illiterate zionist traitor at the WH to sell American interests to few zionist billionaires to impliment their orders to squeeze Iranian people so Israel can continue its own expansionist policy according to Oded Yinon. This traitor is following the order to help his own business and his party to stay in power by selling the country and AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    If the zionist liar who claims ‘America first’ really is honest, then he can improve relations with Iran brings BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to help Americans where many have no health insurance, a HUMAN RIGHT, home and cut the influence of the zionist billionaires on FOREIGN POLICY with contribution of ONLY $35 millions out of CASINO AND WHORE HOUSES profit that made off of American people, to buy illiterate swindler to attack a country that can give Americans thousands of jobs.

    Who is really dumb here?

    Russia, did not deliver S-300 to Iran for YEARS although Iran had paid in full where Iran had to take Russia to court, because the baby killer Natanyhau ordered Putin NOT to do. Putin would have not delivered S-300 anyway, unless the West accept Russia as a petty colony. The same with nuclear plant, where racist Russia and traitor Putin postponed the program for over 22 years.

    [The startup of the plant, at Bushier, in southern Iran, has been plagued by delays since Russia took over work on the facility in the mid-1990s, with Russian officials often appearing to use the project as leverage in negotiations with Iran’s leaders.]

    The zionist stooge, Putin, has not given S-300 to Syria to defend itself against repeated aggression and military attack and NEVER will. Putin did the same thing to Iran, on Netanyahu’s order and Putin, the zionist traitor, accepted.

    Russia is an enemy of Muslims and its dark history shows it very well. All Arabs know this fact, so Iranians, Afghans, Tajiks, Turks, Georgiana, Armenians and many other groups.

    Israel bombed Syria again and spread the lies that was attack first. This treason was discussed with traitor Putin two days earlier at his inauguration. THIS IS TREASON.

    Eruopeans are slave of the Evil Empire. Shame on them all.

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    You should use your real handle to write, since its truth that you shouldn't shy to reveal openly.

    Putin is in Syria for Russia oil gas route control & Israel-Yinon interest only, that is to partition up into 4 pcs. What it means to invite Bibi to stand beside him during Russia big celebrating day? Russia is Israel best friend, so Iran & Syria don't be fooled.

    China had also failed to protect Iran, cancelling its Nuclear reactor project under US & Israel great pressure previously. But China at least gave Iran the design for them to figure out. Also it can't sell Iran weapons. Even ZTE has some minor project by one of its reseller/agent with Iran has make US slapped $700M fine, mandatory sacking ZTE Chairman, CEO, and punishment for all senior excutives. But recently US under Trump goes ahead to sanction ZTE on foolish ground juz to kill China 5G leading.

    US judge even make a mockery of justice system & Americans by asking Iran to pay 911 victims when nearly all hijackers are Saudi arabian.
    , @JohnnyRVF
    I wouldn’t believe the BBC if they told me the Earth orbits the sun. I would go and check with other sources. Putin is not the saviour of the middle east, he is reacting to the long term Clinton era game plan of the U.S.A. which is to destabilise the whole Arab world at the behest of Israel. If Syria goes down, Russia will be severly inconvenienced quite apart from Putin’s longer term stratergy for a multi Polar world which doesn’t allow for U.S. hegemony to dominate Russia, China or anyone else. All countries persue their own interests, some of them think it’s their God given right to pee on everybody else. Putin is no traitor, Putrin is engaging a very longterm strategic plan which means getting to know the players to an almost intimate level.
    , @James Brown
    "Russia is an enemy of Muslims "

    Maybe. But maybe it is better to say "Putin/Russian Elite is an enemy of Muslims"

    You don"t know what "Russia" thinks. Anyway, there are millions of Russians that are Muslims.

    What is sure is that Muslims are the best enemies of ...Muslims.

    Putin and the Russian Elite are, undoubtedly , getting their orders from the king of Israel, who he's Putin's best friend.

    But how about Saudi Arabia, the supposedly Muslim country and custodian of Islam's holiest sites ?

    Shouldn't All Muslims, all over the world, feel betrayed by the Saudi ruling family ?

    Isn't an open secret that the Saudi Arabia is an American colony (Israel's in reality) and that Saudi Arabia is the best ally of the Zionists ?

    Shouldn't Muslims that are interested in Justice and Peace get rid of that corrupt ruling family and make peace with Iran ? Or Peace with Shiites is impossible?

    That seems to me the priority for those who are really Muslims. It's something you can really do something about.
    Unfortunately, about Russia or the USA, you can't do nothing. Except complaining.

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  44. Z-man says:
    @Taras77
    A couple of other zionist billionaires had a hand in controlling trump; to state the obvious, trump is way over his head in this zionist cabal and has no control over anything.

    https://www.sott.net/article/385238-Follow-the-money-How-three-billionaires-paved-the-way-for-Trump-to-withdraw-from-the-JCPOA

    …to state the obvious, trump is way over his head in this zionist cabal and has no control over anything.

    Yeah I was hoping Trump had something up his sleeve in playing the Zionist card game. Maybe to push more of a White Nationalist agenda while appeasing the Jews. Protect his flanks while going forward on many of his populist campaign slogans. Maybe even giving Netanyahu everything until Trump would force a ‘deal’ on him with the Palestinians.
    ….But sad to say the statement above is getting closer to reality than my wishful thinking.

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  45. Ivan says:
    @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    I knew some Iranians in India during the 80s, they could not afford to study in the US or Europe, and so came to India. Some of them already had families. They were pretty traditional Shias in their religion. They were all of the opinion that while the Shah was bad, the mullahs were much worse and Iran was many times worse off under Khomeinei when compared to the days of the Shah.. They had no desire to return to Iran either and be thrown into the Iran-Iraq meat grinder, that lasted from 1980 to 1988. Oh and it was then that I learned about the Basanj recruiting children, promising them Paradise if only they could brave the Iraqi minefields. Scum of the earth, rose to the top in those days as they did in every revolution.

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  46. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim
    But what about Jared Kushner, Ivanka who 'converted' to Judaism, about the pride expressed by the Trump that she has a 'beautiful Jewish baby', what about his life-long dealings with the Jews*

    *“He surrounds himself oddly enough with Jewish personnel, both then and now: his real estate lawyer is Jewish, his house counsel is Jewish, his controller is Jewish, his chief of staff, chief financial officer, executive vice president, his first executive vice president – I was his litigator for 15 years,” Jay Goldberg, who worked for Trump from 1990 to 2005, said in an interview...
    “When we talk about the Jewish community and I really think about it, I can’t think of one Christian person on his senior staff,” said Goldberg, who will vote for Trump in November. “It’s amazing to me. It’s almost prejudice in favor of Jewish people....
    But Trump has also given generously to Jewish philanthropic organizations, including the Jewish National Fund and United Jewish Appeal, dating back to his very early career. Many of his donations and event appearances were quite private and went unrewarded – at least with publicity, a commodity Trump values enormously...
    Trump often touts his connections to the community and hangs several Jewish awards prominently above his desk in Trump Tower, including JNF’s Tree of Life, awarded to him in 1983 for his fund-raising abilities, according to one longtime board member...
    “Deep down I think Donald has a Jewish heart,” said Greenblatt (executive vice president and chief legal officer at the Trump Organization), who has attended services with Trump where he would hum along to Aleinu and stand and sit with the flow of ritual. “I wouldn’t say that he isn’t equally fond of non- Jews who share the same work ethic as his own. I think he’s very much an equal opportunity type of person.”
    And last but not least this pearl:
    “My feeling was, ‘I figured out how to use Jews to my advantage.’”!

    @https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Donald-Trump/Pride-and-affirmative-prejudice-The-complex-history-of-Donald-Trump-and-the-Jews-468120

    You are over-thinking this. Trump is like the old time signories, he wants numerous descendants. I do not think that he would mind a Muslim grandchild if that is what he is presented with.

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  47. Ivan says:
    @byrresheim

    It’s all baloney. Iran hasn’t had a day’s rest since it removed the miscreant Shah in 1979.
     
    The Shah may not have been loved by the western left, but would you, 40 years later, not consider to take a close and critical look at western policies toward the murderous bunch of islamists who replaced him?

    Have you ever considered that his downfall was payback for his role in the oil crisis, when Israeli Aggression was met with fierce resistance from the Arab and Muslim world – for the last time, if I remember rightly?

    True. The Shah was a heavy when it came to squeezing the oil market through OPEC in those days.

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  48. @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    Why in God’s name would we be making these finely-calibrated judgements about who’s worse, the late Shah or the mullahs? The point is, it’s none of our damned business. Obviously, we should never have installed the Shah, back in the 1950s. Obviously, we should have kept our hands off. What’s to do about it now? Well, you know what they say about finding yourself in a hole, holding a shovel: stop digging. The thing to do right-the-hell-now is get our hands off.

    In a perverse way, Trump is right to pull out of the “Iran deal,” because we never should have been party to it in the first place. Because whether the Iranians make nuclear weapons or not is none of our business. But, of course, the Orange Clown isn’t getting out of the deal to mind our own business; he’s getting out so he can impose new “sanctions,” and bully the Euros into doing the same. And, yes, he’s got his nose so far up Netanyahu’s ass that … well, you finish the crude metaphor; I’m sick of the whole thing. Meanwhile, what is our business and does concern us — control of the Mexican border — is being studiously ignored. Impeach the son of a bitch and be damned. If we’re to be ruled by neoconnery — obviously, not much of an “if” there — might as well have a real neocon doing it.

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  49. Ivan says:
    @Mark James
    I think Trump would have got out of the deal whether he had financial backing from Adelson et al. or not. Netanyahu (and the Saudis) would have got to Kushner who would have got to the President. Iran lost bigtime on US election night.

    As much as Iran may hate Israel they have utter disdain for Saudi Arabia. They do not believe SA serves as a proper site for the Hajj. Between Jews and Sunnis lobbying the Trump administration, Iran is in a difficult position indeed and will have to do everything it can to align with Western Europe and hope they aid in fending off support for a hostile Israel (from US). It is said that while not admitting to its nuclear capabilities, Isl has 100 nukes pointed at Tehran.

    Whether one likes the Israelis or not, the long smoldering revolutionary elements in Iran, have a game plan to take the leadership role in the Islamic world from the Saudis, by confronting the Israelis; ostensibly over Palestine. They hope to entangle the Israelis in the sort of unwindable war we saw in Lebanon, that they are the experts in. The Israelis have put the kibosh in it, and in spite of Netanyahu, I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.

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    [I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.]

    The zionist troll must know this is nothing to do with Iran, but every thing to ZIONIST EXPANSIONIST PROJECT in the Middle East and beyond, where is called 'New World Order', known as WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    Shame on liars. Read the following to educate yourself and then comment.


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
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  50. Ivan says:
    @jilles dykstra
    As Solsjenytsyn already describes about jews in tzarist Russia, bribing officials is a jewish custom.
    Bleichröder did not directly bribe the German kaiser and his entourage, but he did bail them out of heavy investment losses.
    Fritz Stern, 'Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire', New York, 1977
    So, in the USA moneycracy, I'm not surprised that money determines USA foreign policy.
    Yet, if the USA still can afford this luxury, I wonder.
    And I wonder what all the fuss is about Trump ending the deal.
    In a short time he's meeting Rocketman in Singapore.
    I wonder how Rocketman will travel safely to and from Singapore.
    Maybe a Chinese plane ?
    Did anyone consider that more economic antagonism between European states and the USA may suit Trump ?
    I for one will not be surprised when in a few months time Trump is meeting the Iranian leaders.

    How about a mini suicide sub from the Nork Navy for the Rocketman?

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    Hahahah yeah with the added bonus that the tsunami(s) will only hit US alliez lol
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  51. @Ivan
    Putin was never going to get involved in an Israeli-Iranian fight. He made it as clear as was possible, that neither the Hizballah or the Iranians could expect the Russians to back them up, if they threaten the Israelis . The Russians have a limited objective in Syria, that of the survival of Syria in some form. The Israelis seemed to have respected that, in that they have not sought to kill Assad or members of his government. The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. Russia does not want to get bogged down in a quagmire, or fight the Israelis.

    Putin also doesn’t seem interested in “getting involved” in Ukraine even though the fascists are running the place and killing Russians.

    One is supposed to believe that Russia’s secret service didn’t know about the “coup d’état” that destroyed the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    Putin’s friend , the King of Israel, is a warmonger and war criminal –

    Of course people are free to choose their friends. There isn’t any geopolitical consequences in that kind of relationship. They just happen to like killing children who belong to an inferior race.

    Putin was put in power by the same forces that put Yeltsin in power. Those forces are still doing very well in Russia and around the world.

    “The Russians have a limited objective in Syria” ….That is correct. And that “objective” was the one that was given to Putin by his master, who lives in Israel and is very interested in building the “great Israel”.

    “The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. ”

    The Iranians are not cowards. They were invited by the Syrian government to help them fight the terrorists. And the Iranians, contrary to Putin, know who is the real terrorist in Syria.

    Those who are interested in peace and justice, can only hope that Iranians do have a secret weapon and when the moment is right, use it.

    Putin is not interested in justice or peace. He’s only interested in the art of geopolitics. Like his friend: the great criminal and warmonger.

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    Well I don't look on the Revolutionary Guards as the saviour of the world. If they have any talent bring peace they should apply it closer home. Why should the Israelis stand still when they have the advantage? They should rub the mullahs' faces in the mud. The Israelis were not always rabid Likudniks. When Mr Rabin died in 1995, the Iranians through their proxies in Lebanon made sure that the dovish Peres government was unable to make any kind of peace settlement stick, through their attacks from across Lebanon and their support for Hamas. The Iranians are a long way from home, they are totally exposed to Israeli fire, the Israelis would be fools not to hammer them hard as payback for all that they did to undermine any prospect for peace during the 90s. And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.
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  52. Ivan says:
    @Robert Magill
    For an interesting take on what could be a red herring aspect of this adventure
    see Club Orlov    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/  of 5/10/2018 regarding the 120+ billion of Iranian money, we hold in dollars, the dead broke US gets to keep by pulling out of the deal. Donald will relent, rewrite the treaty, keep the dough. Who's the King of Deals anyway?

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/04/30/and-then-we-were-capitalists-or/

    They are already making a play for the billions by accusing the Iranians of being behind 9/11. Watch for that very special kind of New York sanctimony that comes into play, when they reach into someone’s pocket.

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  53. Ivan says:
    @Jake
    Saudi Arabia benefits at least as much as Israel.

    The Saudis would ally literally with Satan, allying the Accuser to sodomize all non-Royal Arab boys, in order to reduce Iran forever, for that would destroy Shiite Islam having any power base and signal that Islam is culturally and linguistic Semitic, Arabic, and that Indo-European speakers and their cultures and nations have no stance before Allah.

    In cultural and linguistic terms, Israel allied with Saudi Arabia against Iran makes sense: Semites.

    The US and UK allied with the 2 Semites makes sense because of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which is the basis of WASP culture.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritans stood by at Lepanto. Attacked the Orthodox Russians while claiming that Ottoman Empire was the “sick man of Europe”, whereas Russia was part of the Yellow Peril. These pork-eating Judaisers have a lot to answer for.

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  54. Rurik says:
    @WorkingClass
    Trump is a Zionist like Bannon and like his daughter. America first was always a lie.

    So why can't the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn't add up. Does it?

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?

    imagine you’re Alan Dershowitz (I know, I know ; )

    But imagine you’re getting (almost) everything you want from Trump. He’s moving the embassy, he’s running cover for the atrocities and so forth.

    So you want him there to continue doing your works for you, but what if he backslides? What if he tries to make nice with Putin/Hitler?

    What if he actually were to make progress on the ‘Nazi hate wall’, or other racist, gas chamber-like agendas of the Deplorables/Nazis? (the Deplorables want to end Affirmative Action, which would be = Holocaust II)

    You want to keep him in line, you see? You want to always have the pressure on. So even as you laud his accomplishments to his face, behind the scenes you’re also pushing the knife in, and undermining him at every turn.

    Not enough perhaps to undo his presidency, but just enough to keep him toeing the line. That’s what Mueller is for. That’s what the 24/7 media hate-campaign is for.

    They’ll allow some minor concessions to his base, like a few tariffs to bolster employment, and some other things, but for anything really serious, like Trump’s Neville Chamberlain attempt to vacate Syria, they’re going to keep the pressure on.

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    All of what you write merits my agreement.

    What needs to be added:

    Paul Onish
    Mark Golding
    Fred and Mary Trump's decision to live in a largely Jewish neighborhood in Queens
    Fred Trump's fibs regarding his Germanic heritage, claiming he was of Swedish stock
    Fred Trump's Jewish charitable activities
    Summer get-a-ways to the Concord Hotel in the Catskills' Borsht Belt
    The Trump policy of preferring to rent to Jews
    Ted Levine
    Robert Klein
    Trump's first two years at college, Fordham, where he complained "there were too many Irish and Italians."
    Roy Cohn
    Jason Greenblatt
    David Friedman
    and

    Michael Cohen

    The knife in the back is what one should expect from ((( them ))), but, like Larry Bird said, "I would have played for nothing Mr. ((( Auerbach ))).
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  55. Ivan says:
    @Mike P
    I just found this piece a couple of days ago, which states that the CIA threw out the Shah:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/component/k2/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened

    Then shortly afterwards, the U.S. instigated the Iran-Iraq war ... an unbroken chain of horrors imposed on that country. It is remarkable that Iran is in fact not the main sponsor of terror against America - you couldn't really blame them if they were.

    The Shah may have had pretensions of grandeur, but he was as authoritarians go, pretty mild for the Middle-East. Unfortunately, he wasn’t paying attention to the bazaari class, who were the main financial backers of the Islamists. They all moved into plum positions and instead of a single oppressor, the Iranians were faced with a myriad of oppressors from the merchant and mullah classes.

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  56. Ivan says:
    @James Brown
    Putin also doesn't seem interested in "getting involved" in Ukraine even though the fascists are running the place and killing Russians.

    One is supposed to believe that Russia's secret service didn't know about the "coup d'état" that destroyed the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    Putin's friend , the King of Israel, is a warmonger and war criminal -

    Of course people are free to choose their friends. There isn't any geopolitical consequences in that kind of relationship. They just happen to like killing children who belong to an inferior race.

    Putin was put in power by the same forces that put Yeltsin in power. Those forces are still doing very well in Russia and around the world.

    "The Russians have a limited objective in Syria" ....That is correct. And that "objective" was the one that was given to Putin by his master, who lives in Israel and is very interested in building the "great Israel".

    "The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements. "

    The Iranians are not cowards. They were invited by the Syrian government to help them fight the terrorists. And the Iranians, contrary to Putin, know who is the real terrorist in Syria.

    Those who are interested in peace and justice, can only hope that Iranians do have a secret weapon and when the moment is right, use it.

    Putin is not interested in justice or peace. He's only interested in the art of geopolitics. Like his friend: the great criminal and warmonger.

    Well I don’t look on the Revolutionary Guards as the saviour of the world. If they have any talent bring peace they should apply it closer home. Why should the Israelis stand still when they have the advantage? They should rub the mullahs’ faces in the mud. The Israelis were not always rabid Likudniks. When Mr Rabin died in 1995, the Iranians through their proxies in Lebanon made sure that the dovish Peres government was unable to make any kind of peace settlement stick, through their attacks from across Lebanon and their support for Hamas. The Iranians are a long way from home, they are totally exposed to Israeli fire, the Israelis would be fools not to hammer them hard as payback for all that they did to undermine any prospect for peace during the 90s. And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.

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    It's well known. When you don't know how to answer, you change subject.

    I thought you were defending Putin's policy in Syria.

    I guess you agree that he's probably (one can never be sure) following the policy of his master - the warmonger and criminal, that happen also to be his friend - The King of Israel.

    Just 1995 ? Well, the Iranians, as all other peoples , from immemorial times, hate the chosen people and have always been trying to kill them.
    Everyone knows that the chosen people are always the victim. They are always innocent and trying to defend themselves.

    Those who are trying to be decent human beings, know that in the ME, today, there is a terrorist state that kills innocent people because they don't belong to the master race.

    Those who are not brain dead yet, those who are not "intellectuals" (experts in justification), know that those making the killings, stealing land and resources are not the Iranians or the Syrians.

    Iranians and the Syrians are the victims of international terrorism.

    Saudi Arabia, is of course also an important member of that international alliance of the democratic terrorist states trying to bring "democracy, peace and jusrice" to the ME.
    , @Avery
    {And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.
    CIA then proceeded to create and train SAVAK which terrorized and tortured Iranians for decades.
    Mullah were a result of US & UK meddling in the internal affairs of Iran.
    Mullah were a response to Shah: none of it would have happened without Anglo-American interference.

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for goading and encouraging Saddam to invade Iran.
    US and UK helped Saddam during the war with satellite and other intelligence.
    And it is no secret that US and UK had previously supplied Saddam with chemical weapons which Saddam used against Iranians.
    Iranians lost about 1 million people during the 8 year war.


    { The Iranians are a long way from home,....}


    No S____ Sherlock: {....owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    What were Americans and Brits doing in Iraq, next door to Iran, 1,000 of miles from US and UK?

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  57. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan
    Whether one likes the Israelis or not, the long smoldering revolutionary elements in Iran, have a game plan to take the leadership role in the Islamic world from the Saudis, by confronting the Israelis; ostensibly over Palestine. They hope to entangle the Israelis in the sort of unwindable war we saw in Lebanon, that they are the experts in. The Israelis have put the kibosh in it, and in spite of Netanyahu, I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.

    [I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.]

    The zionist troll must know this is nothing to do with Iran, but every thing to ZIONIST EXPANSIONIST PROJECT in the Middle East and beyond, where is called ‘New World Order’, known as WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    Shame on liars. Read the following to educate yourself and then comment.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

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    Read them yourself you idiot. I know these matters like the back of my hand.
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  58. So, Jews will be Jews and they will all do Jewish things… that’s to say, they will support Israel and certain wealthy individuals like Adelson will lead the collective efforts. But what stops the rich goys like the Koch brothers from countering? Perhaps, it’s the collective desire of the ruling class to put its imprimatur on the endeavor which galls a lot of people in support of Israel. But if they are after Iran as the author suggest and many believe, what could be the reason beyond wanting to grab the oil wealth? Could it be that the old score going back to the time of Esther hasn’t been settled? Or is it that the land of Cyrus practicing Islam rather than the old Zoroastrian faith and desire to bring it back into the Judeo-Christianity thus lessening antagonism to the West and Israel in particular? Because with the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel, Iran should be the last target to be in the crosshair Amglo-Zionists… or is it a diversionary ploy to really destroy the true enemy, namely, Sunni Islam? Only time will tell!

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    Did you notice how often Bernie Sanders slandered the Koch Brothers but did not give equal time to Haim Saban ?

    I suspect the Kochs do not have wealth enough to counter the Jewish combine, particularly since Jews controlFederal Reserve, dominate U S Dept of Treasury, media, academia, etc.

    I'm warned that Kochs are anti labor and maybe they are, but they are neither Jews nor Anglos, they do business in & for USA, so I'd place my trust in Koch princes rather than the kosher team.
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  59. Ivan says:
    @anonymous
    "In 1953, the CIA toppled the Iranian government, installed the Shah, helped to kill or imprison thousands of leftists and dissidents, fast-tracked the issuing of contracts to the giant oil corporations, helped arm and train the Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK, and plunged the country into 26 years of agonizing police-state repression and tyranny"

    I respond:

    I support the main perspective of this article - that Israel and Israeli Americans like Sheldon Adelson are dictating bad US policy in the region and inciting all these God awful wars against Iran, secular Arabs in Iraq, Syria. Nobody benefits except Israel.

    But this nonsense against the Shah of Iran is just, well nonsense. Iran under the Shah was a good, prosperous place - Persian women were allowed freedom and wore beautiful French fashions. The opposition to the Shah was:

    Leftist Communist "students" i.e. American SDS, Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffmans or Chilean Allende types, Hugo Chavez, Che etc.

    And

    8th Century Islamic nut cases that came to power through mob rule. Hell yes the US was right to support the Shah, train SAVAK - same as the US, CIA was right to back Chilean patriot Gen. Pinochet.

    It seems like yesterday that I was in high school ~ 1978 arguing with Liberal Left, bi sexual students who somehow claimed the anti American, anti Shah Islamic mob riots were like the French Revolution about "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY".

    Nahhhhh - it was about throwing a healthy, prosperous country with beautiful women back in to an Islamic dark ages.

    The American/Western 1968 Left always goes for 3rd world revolutions, mob rule knee jerk anti Americanism. It's still around as these idiots try to spin Zionist Neo Conservative US/UK attacks, invasions of Iraq, Syria, Iran as the work of evil White Conservatives trying to steal poor brown people's oil.

    "No War for Oil".

    Now there doesn't even seem to be a Lib Left Anti War movement in the USA or UK - it's all about demonizing Trump and Trump supporters and looking for RACISTS that are mean to 8th Century Islamists who do things like child sex slave auctions and throwing gay people off of roofs.

    I was told by an authority in these matters – a seaman – that the Persian women were the most beautiful women in the world.

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  60. Ivan says:
    @anonymous
    [I wish the the Israelis every success when it comes to thwarting that larger Iranian ambition.]

    The zionist troll must know this is nothing to do with Iran, but every thing to ZIONIST EXPANSIONIST PROJECT in the Middle East and beyond, where is called 'New World Order', known as WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    Shame on liars. Read the following to educate yourself and then comment.


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

    Read them yourself you idiot. I know these matters like the back of my hand.

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    You know like your back of hand yet you are speaking like a troll in praise of Anglozionist murderous plan & acts in ME, while hoping a secular brave nation like Iran to fail in defending themselves with Lebanon Hezbollah, also in helping to defend Syrians been slaughtered by Anglozionist terrorists? So you are shameless liars & shrill?
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Are you sure that it's not the palm of your hand that you are so familiar with?
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  61. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    [But this nonsense against the Shah of Iran is just, well nonsense. Iran under the Shah was a good, prosperous place – Persian women were allowed freedom and wore beautiful French fashions. ]

    Who is this ignorant or liar who dares to write these lines here. Only fifth columns ignore that fact that Iran was a puppet, like Saudi Arabia, buying billions of weapons from America and sent Iranian youth to fight and be killed for the interest of Evil Empire and gave billions more to zionist baby killer, but at the end was overthrown by the same who claimed are Sha’s friends.

    Small number of Iranians were rich, not out of their own work, but were thieves and corrupt. Any one can do a shallow research and find out that Iranian people are more educated, women are more active in education, sciences, musice, films and economy, despite that fact that Iran is under tremendous political and economic pressure including debilitating economic sanction, military attacks with full cooperation of Russia, Arab head of states sell out, zionist baby killers, Europe, China, TURKS and many other regional states YET STILL STANDING and have made tremendous progress despite these criminal’s efforts TO KEEP IRAN POOR, so the population deliver them a ‘color revolution’. Iran people, especially women tell them GO TO HELL.

    During the dictatorship of the shah, no one could carry a book of philosophy or politic, because that person would have been arrested and put in jail for many years on charges of being a ‘left’

    Today, all stupid books of the western ‘progressives’, George Orwell, or communists, Marx and Engels, or phony liberals, Isaiah Berlin, or Russian literature have been translated into Persian and for anyone to buy and read. But due to criminal west and its extension’s economic pressure and proxy wars, Iranian people’s buying is limited.

    The puppet Shah was NOT under any pressure from neither west nor zionists, yet many people were illiterate, many jobless with NO health care. Today, Iran education is free for all, and almost free for higher education, where YOU in the west must pay THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for a piece of paper that gets you nowhere, because the economy us under control of criminals.

    This are the Iranian women in today Iran UNDER WESTERN BRUTAL SANCTIONS

    and these are Iranian professional singers. Stop lying

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  62. @Rurik

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?
     
    imagine you're Alan Dershowitz (I know, I know ; )

    But imagine you're getting (almost) everything you want from Trump. He's moving the embassy, he's running cover for the atrocities and so forth.

    So you want him there to continue doing your works for you, but what if he backslides? What if he tries to make nice with Putin/Hitler?

    What if he actually were to make progress on the 'Nazi hate wall', or other racist, gas chamber-like agendas of the Deplorables/Nazis? (the Deplorables want to end Affirmative Action, which would be = Holocaust II)

    You want to keep him in line, you see? You want to always have the pressure on. So even as you laud his accomplishments to his face, behind the scenes you're also pushing the knife in, and undermining him at every turn.

    Not enough perhaps to undo his presidency, but just enough to keep him toeing the line. That's what Mueller is for. That's what the 24/7 media hate-campaign is for.

    They'll allow some minor concessions to his base, like a few tariffs to bolster employment, and some other things, but for anything really serious, like Trump's Neville Chamberlain attempt to vacate Syria, they're going to keep the pressure on.

    All of what you write merits my agreement.

    What needs to be added:

    Paul Onish
    Mark Golding
    Fred and Mary Trump’s decision to live in a largely Jewish neighborhood in Queens
    Fred Trump’s fibs regarding his Germanic heritage, claiming he was of Swedish stock
    Fred Trump’s Jewish charitable activities
    Summer get-a-ways to the Concord Hotel in the Catskills’ Borsht Belt
    The Trump policy of preferring to rent to Jews
    Ted Levine
    Robert Klein
    Trump’s first two years at college, Fordham, where he complained “there were too many Irish and Italians.”
    Roy Cohn
    Jason Greenblatt
    David Friedman
    and

    Michael Cohen

    The knife in the back is what one should expect from ((( them ))), but, like Larry Bird said, “I would have played for nothing Mr. ((( Auerbach ))).

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  63. TT says:
    @Ivan
    Since when did the Malacca Straits become a Chinese sea lane? The Chicoms are able to use it in same way as anyone else, since that body of water comes under the freedom of navigation convention. A convention insisted upon incidentally by the US and British a long time ago, when Indonesia wanted to claim half of it as its territory, since it adjoins Sumatra. Bloody Chicoms do not even know the meaning of conventions, or maritime maps and they want to pretend to undergird the world order. The Americans may be bad but the Chicoms are a hundred times worse.

    Since when did the Malacca Straits become a Chinese sea lane? The Chicoms are able to use it in same way as anyone else, since that body of water comes under the freedom of navigation convention.

    Ivan, don’t make yourself a fool spewing your hatred of chicomm here without understanding what it means by trade sealanes. No one claimed Malacca straits belong to China, it only means Chinese sea trade passed thru Malacca S., why are you shrieking here?

    convention insisted upon incidentally by the US and British a long time ago, when Indonesia wanted to claim half of it as its territory, since it adjoins Sumatra. Bloody Chicoms do not even know the meaning of conventions, or maritime maps and they want to pretend to undergird the world order. The Americans may be bad but the Chicoms are a hundred times worse.

    Wtf you know about FON & Navi Conv? It means USN warships & spy surveillance vessels has the right to trespass any souvenir water within 12km of their shores without permission, but not vice versa, which is not under Navigation Convention rule. USN has been violating this to every countries incl its allies, and have military skirmishes with Iran & China regularly. USN shot down Iran civilian plane in act of war crime for that. Btw, you should know US is not a signatory of Nav Convention, remember duke, US slogan :do as i told you but not as i do, stupid.

    Chicomm know much better than FUKUS & you dumb brainwashed by US msm fake news. Chinese maintain FON according to international marine laws, civilian vessels have FON, but not bloody US Navy missiles warships, spy vessels & nuke submarines plying near your coast. Dumbf.

    Now read this article written by Spore Marine law researcher KT Tan about US-Jp-Philippine kangaroo fake Hague court ruling on SCS Spratly island:

    Professor Myron Nordquist, of the University of Virginia School of Law, has opined that the ruling was a “huge mistake” and should be “criticised severely”.

    “The PCA is not a court. It only provides a registry and secretarial assistance to “arbitral tribunals constituted to resolve specific disputes” for a fee.”

    Singpore researcher KT Tan wrote a article to absolutely debunked the absurb judgement clearly with facts supporting these SCS islands belong to China legally:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/did-the-ruling-sink-the-rule-of-law

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2139450

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2139459

    Although im not from China & grown up in Western culture of British & US, i can tell you FUKUS is simply million times worst than chicom beyond comparison. Only you dumb f brainwashed by West msm is making stupid comment here on FON.

    Btw, Indonesia does has the right to claim half of Malacca Straits according to international marine law, 12KM from shore, 200KM EEZ, center line between two nations. But Spore force Indonesia to mutually gave up stupidly on such precious water right to make FUKUS happy, imagine every vessels entering Spore water will to subject to joint Spore-Indo approval & a fees of $1000. Its a huge sky fallen fortune for both, since routing thru outer Indonesia international water took much longer & risk facing pirates. Hence Indonesia harbour enmity towards Spore over this, as Spore still make money thru PSA ports but not Indo.

    It will be good if old hands like Denk, DB Cooper, Duke of Qin are around to educate you.

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  64. Realist says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Indeed.
    The only thing to choose is the right time.

    And that must be chosen correctly.

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  65. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Hide
    I back Donald Trump on the Iran deal because of the unimaginable improvements in Korea, Syria, our economy, and the continued outings of the depraved goings on in high level politicians, CEO's, celebrities, etc. These events give him historical, results oriented, and reality based validation.
    When this all blows over Iran will be a better place for everyone, including the tens of millions of Iranian people. Only the elitist Iranian theocrats and allied new world order globalists will be hurt.
    Good Luck President Trump!

    I tend to agree with you, especially about the economy. That’s what matters, not all this missionary worrying about the rest of the world.

    The thing I like most about Trump is that jews & liberals hate him. They hate me too and constantly work to make the position of me and every other normal White person in this country worse.

    There seems to be a major split in the Jewish community. 95 % and the Jewish press hate him passionately but the 5% that put him in office are using him for the benefit of Jews and Israel????
    By Jewish press I mean the Jewish community press, not the rest of the media which is also the Jewish media.

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    Per the NYTimes 76% of Jews are self-proclaimed liberals which means open borders advocating, muslim hugging, BLM supporting rainbow nation progressivetards, this group hates Trump with every fiber of their being, they don't care what he does or doesn't do, they want him impeached, period. 23% out of the remaining 24% are neocons who are all about what's best for their own pocketbooks and Israel, and also want open borders. Only 1% or less of Jews are like the rest of Trump's base, for MAGA which means no more wars and no more immigration.
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  66. TT says:
    @anonymous
    No Muslim should trust traitor Putin and racist Russia.

    Russia is in Syria to KILL MUSLIMS and to collect all the cards to benefit itself and the criminal west. In this regard, Putin is trying to push Iranians out and partition Syria according to Oded Yinon. That's why gave a green light to Turkey to come in so the dog of imperialism and zionism gives him another card to play against interest of Syria and for the INTEREST OF ISRAEL.


    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-real-reason-putin-supports-assad/

    No one should forget that Russia and China voted for ALL SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. Two days on BBC a British official said Russia is happy with the US decision on Iran deal, although liar Lavruv pretends Russia disagrees. Russia wants to control all the pipeline, thus, to deny Iran of improving economic situation and, like the criminal west, to keep Iran dependent and POOR.
    This history of Russia in Iran is dark and almost all Iranians DO NOT TRUST RUSSIA. It is very stupid of illiterate zionist traitor at the WH to sell American interests to few zionist billionaires to impliment their orders to squeeze Iranian people so Israel can continue its own expansionist policy according to Oded Yinon. This traitor is following the order to help his own business and his party to stay in power by selling the country and AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    If the zionist liar who claims 'America first' really is honest, then he can improve relations with Iran brings BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to help Americans where many have no health insurance, a HUMAN RIGHT, home and cut the influence of the zionist billionaires on FOREIGN POLICY with contribution of ONLY $35 millions out of CASINO AND WHORE HOUSES profit that made off of American people, to buy illiterate swindler to attack a country that can give Americans thousands of jobs.

    Who is really dumb here?

    Russia, did not deliver S-300 to Iran for YEARS although Iran had paid in full where Iran had to take Russia to court, because the baby killer Natanyhau ordered Putin NOT to do. Putin would have not delivered S-300 anyway, unless the West accept Russia as a petty colony. The same with nuclear plant, where racist Russia and traitor Putin postponed the program for over 22 years.


    [The startup of the plant, at Bushier, in southern Iran, has been plagued by delays since Russia took over work on the facility in the mid-1990s, with Russian officials often appearing to use the project as leverage in negotiations with Iran’s leaders.]


    The zionist stooge, Putin, has not given S-300 to Syria to defend itself against repeated aggression and military attack and NEVER will. Putin did the same thing to Iran, on Netanyahu's order and Putin, the zionist traitor, accepted.

    Russia is an enemy of Muslims and its dark history shows it very well. All Arabs know this fact, so Iranians, Afghans, Tajiks, Turks, Georgiana, Armenians and many other groups.

    Israel bombed Syria again and spread the lies that was attack first. This treason was discussed with traitor Putin two days earlier at his inauguration. THIS IS TREASON.

    Eruopeans are slave of the Evil Empire. Shame on them all.



    https://cdn.mashreghnews.ir/d/2018/05/11/4/2246220.jpg

    You should use your real handle to write, since its truth that you shouldn’t shy to reveal openly.

    Putin is in Syria for Russia oil gas route control & Israel-Yinon interest only, that is to partition up into 4 pcs. What it means to invite Bibi to stand beside him during Russia big celebrating day? Russia is Israel best friend, so Iran & Syria don’t be fooled.

    China had also failed to protect Iran, cancelling its Nuclear reactor project under US & Israel great pressure previously. But China at least gave Iran the design for them to figure out. Also it can’t sell Iran weapons. Even ZTE has some minor project by one of its reseller/agent with Iran has make US slapped $700M fine, mandatory sacking ZTE Chairman, CEO, and punishment for all senior excutives. But recently US under Trump goes ahead to sanction ZTE on foolish ground juz to kill China 5G leading.

    US judge even make a mockery of justice system & Americans by asking Iran to pay 911 victims when nearly all hijackers are Saudi arabian.

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    Totally agree about the insanity of one ridiculous judge awarding 9/11 victims billions in damages claiming Iran responsible for 9/11.

    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?
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  67. Good article. Thank you, Mike Whitney.

    I remember when candidate Trump was satisfied with the Iran-nuke agreement as signed into law. Today, few complain that Trump basically ‘flip-flopped’ on Iran. Not surprisingly, Trump’s new-found hawkishness has been widely praised.

    But before the election, candidate Trump affirmed that his administration would hold Iran accountable to every specific provision and restriction outlined in the deal. Trump took a hard line but he was nevertheless satisfied with the Iran-nuke deal that eliminated some 97% of Iran’s plutonium, put Iran under a rigid inspections regimen, and (by omission) left Israel free to develop, refine and expand its massive, existing stockpile of nuclear WMD.

    Then (((political pressures))) mounted. And these pressures grew.

    These hard-fought Iranian concessions were still not enough. Iran must do more.

    Gradually, Trump’s thinking ‘matured’. Today, Trump is a Zio-hawk, just like Hillary.

    Remember also Trump’s many statements about ‘peace’ and ‘normalizing relations’ with Christian (non-communist) Russia. This, too, made sense. It’s why I voted for Trump.

    Trump’s declared non-interventionist stance vis-a-vis Syria and his opposition to ‘unnecessary wars’ in the Middle East is what inspired many voters to choose him over Zio-lib Hillary.

    At the same time however, Trump’s ‘America First’ platform apparently worried his biggest (((donors))). Too populist? Too nativist? Too white? (Remember the Alt-Right/David Duke controversy that briefly involved Trump?)

    With that in mind, it was time for the big boys to ramp up pressure. And keep it there.

    Zionist money, Zionist arm twisting, Zionist headlines and screeds, and mountains of never-ending anti-Trump hysteria in the (((media))) finally maneuvered, spun, and then flipped Donald into a more accommodating posture. Face down. Buns up.

    The Deep State went to war. Trump caved.

    Trumps ‘decision’ to move the US embassy to Jerusalem certainly soothed the worries of many of his Israel-First critics. It was a ‘hopeful’ sign.

    But many of these same insiders secretly worried that Trump might act in a radically even-handed fashion in the Middle East. This change would undermine Israel. (What about the ‘special relationship’!?). Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Unshakable, pro-Zionist US policies remain firmly intact. All’s well in Zio-Washington.

    Trump’s ‘America First’ platform somehow managed to leave plenty of room for Israel to maintain its sacred status. So the money keeps flowing. But oceans of anti-Trump venom have continued to rain down from above and pour out from the TV. These unrelieved pressures have changed Trump.

    A slow-motion epiphany has occurred. Trump has realized that, in order to govern, he must behave more like his predecessors. This requires military action.

    Trump today has finally delivered what the Zionist entity has long sought: US attacks on Assad’s Syria and economic war on Russia and Iran.

    ‘America First’ will just have to wait.

    Briefly, it appeared that a new president was about to give the American people what they wanted: secure borders, military non-intervention, and economic nationalism.

    But savvy Israel and its army of agents cleverly derailed that populist agenda.

    In its place, Trump has shifted his energy towards to undermining Iranian resistance to Israeli hegemony and, at the same time, working to break the Russia-Iran-Syrian alliance. It’s back to basics.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    These are Israel’s traditional marching orders. They are not new. What’s new is that Trump is finally On Board and totally with the program.

    Maybe another hot, missile-launching war against Israel’s latest enemy-du-jour is the right thing, after all. Who knows.

    If Trump plays his cards right and does Israel’s bidding as scripted, maybe even the Russia-gate conspiracy theory will fold up its tent and leave town. It’s possible.

    Powerful people reward those who serve them.

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    Your recollection is different from mine. I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement. I remember him always going on about how bad a deal it was. The problem was, as you correctly pointed out, Hellary was also very much opposed to the agreement, and since Trump was at least better on Syria (Hellary wanted a 'no-fly' zone), I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It's pathetic ...
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  68. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan
    Read them yourself you idiot. I know these matters like the back of my hand.

    You know like your back of hand yet you are speaking like a troll in praise of Anglozionist murderous plan & acts in ME, while hoping a secular brave nation like Iran to fail in defending themselves with Lebanon Hezbollah, also in helping to defend Syrians been slaughtered by Anglozionist terrorists? So you are shameless liars & shrill?

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  69. Sean says:

    The American people don’t benefit from a broken “nukes” agreement nor does Trump’s base nor do the frustrated allies nor does the international community. No one benefits. No one except Israel, that is.

    By pro Israel you mean Diaspora Jews, but Jews’ greatest influence on the US and West is not in relation to Israel at all. The Jewish push for mass immigration into the West and opposition to ever sending the immigrants back to their ancestral homeland is an existential threat to the indigenous population of the West. The only way to remove that threat is to lull Israel into expelling the bulk of the West Bank Arabs, thereby ensuring that Israel can remains a Jewish state in the long term. Destroying Iran, which Bolton’s appointment shows Trump is intent on, will cure Israel of timidity.

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    As long as there is a Jewish state in the Mideast, there will always be conniving scheming Jews all over the west to ensure continued support for the motherland. The diaspora will never all voluntarily go back to Israel to Make Israel Great Again. They know their presence in the west is necessary to continue the support for Israel.

    Western nations support Israel because of our ties to Christianity, like Mike Pence's undying support for Israel, because Israel is the birth place of Christ. Perhaps the west becoming increasingly secular is a good thing, it will gradually loosen Israel's hold on us. Europe is much more secular than the US and is already breaking free, they are for keeping the nuke deal with Iran and keeping Assad in power.

    , @Anonymous
    Why do you suppose Israel expelling the West Bank Arabs will result in influential liberal American Jews opposing immigration to the US? Several Palestinians were recently shot by the IDF during some protests near the Israeli border. Does this mean influential liberal American Jews will now start supporting the US Army shooting at the migrant caravan now headed toward the US-Mexican border?
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  70. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    Upon further reflection I’ve decided Trump pulling out of the Iran deal is probably a good thing after all. First this was a really bad deal for the US financially. We were basically paying them $400B to stop enriching uranium for a mere 8 years. Second, why should we care if Iran develops nukes? They have no history of attacking the west. Let them go develop their nukes and let the Arabs, Israelis, Persians and Egyptians go fight to their hearts’ content and gouge one another’s eye out. These mendacious sand monkey ragheads have been feuding and pissing on one another for the last 10,000 years, and they will be fighting for the next 10,000 regardless of what we do or don’t do. As long as the sun still comes up in the east, you can count on the Jews and the Muslims to be fighting, somebody, anybody.

    We need to get the hell out of the Mideast and leave these medieval hothead snake charmers to their own devices, let them go stew and boil in the hell of their own making.

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    Trump was asked this question repeatedly about Iran deal in a negative way by the scribes by the TV expert by the equally dumb or hired white males in the town hall meetings. His voice was better than Cruze Rubio Graham Perry who wanted to bomb day after the election.

    By asking question in same persistent negative tone , the atmosphere of hatred was set to envelop anybody elected to the office.
    Everybody will remember how Hewitt of CNN went apoplectic when Trump informed he would be a good negotiator , a neutral and impartial one , between Israel and Palestine.

    Hope one day the tables turn and these faces and TV morons are forced to say 7 days a week 24 hours 365 days on same medium how Israel has victimized the Syrian, Iran Iraqis and Palestinian people through gross systematic abuses of US system .

    --
    Iran was robbed 260 billions dollars by US. Obama tried to return some of it.
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  71. tac says:

    This is a real eye-opening piece and details how part of the calculus for the Iraq invasion was oil for Israel:

    Oil for Israel: The Truth about the Iraq War, 15 Years Later

    Oil insider Gary Vogler writes of the Iraq war: “The oil agenda I discovered and experienced was to supply Iraq oil to Israel.” The players were the neocons in the Bush Administration… Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Lewis Libby, Marc Zell, and others…

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/oil-for-israel-the-truth-about-the-iraq-war-15-years-later/

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  72. @mark green
    Good article. Thank you, Mike Whitney.

    I remember when candidate Trump was satisfied with the Iran-nuke agreement as signed into law. Today, few complain that Trump basically 'flip-flopped' on Iran. Not surprisingly, Trump's new-found hawkishness has been widely praised.

    But before the election, candidate Trump affirmed that his administration would hold Iran accountable to every specific provision and restriction outlined in the deal. Trump took a hard line but he was nevertheless satisfied with the Iran-nuke deal that eliminated some 97% of Iran's plutonium, put Iran under a rigid inspections regimen, and (by omission) left Israel free to develop, refine and expand its massive, existing stockpile of nuclear WMD.

    Then (((political pressures))) mounted. And these pressures grew.

    These hard-fought Iranian concessions were still not enough. Iran must do more.

    Gradually, Trump's thinking 'matured'. Today, Trump is a Zio-hawk, just like Hillary.

    Remember also Trump's many statements about 'peace' and 'normalizing relations' with Christian (non-communist) Russia. This, too, made sense. It's why I voted for Trump.

    Trump's declared non-interventionist stance vis-a-vis Syria and his opposition to 'unnecessary wars' in the Middle East is what inspired many voters to choose him over Zio-lib Hillary.

    At the same time however, Trump's 'America First' platform apparently worried his biggest (((donors))). Too populist? Too nativist? Too white? (Remember the Alt-Right/David Duke controversy that briefly involved Trump?)

    With that in mind, it was time for the big boys to ramp up pressure. And keep it there.

    Zionist money, Zionist arm twisting, Zionist headlines and screeds, and mountains of never-ending anti-Trump hysteria in the (((media))) finally maneuvered, spun, and then flipped Donald into a more accommodating posture. Face down. Buns up.

    The Deep State went to war. Trump caved.

    Trumps 'decision' to move the US embassy to Jerusalem certainly soothed the worries of many of his Israel-First critics. It was a 'hopeful' sign.

    But many of these same insiders secretly worried that Trump might act in a radically even-handed fashion in the Middle East. This change would undermine Israel. (What about the 'special relationship'!?). Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Unshakable, pro-Zionist US policies remain firmly intact. All's well in Zio-Washington.

    Trump's 'America First' platform somehow managed to leave plenty of room for Israel to maintain its sacred status. So the money keeps flowing. But oceans of anti-Trump venom have continued to rain down from above and pour out from the TV. These unrelieved pressures have changed Trump.

    A slow-motion epiphany has occurred. Trump has realized that, in order to govern, he must behave more like his predecessors. This requires military action.

    Trump today has finally delivered what the Zionist entity has long sought: US attacks on Assad's Syria and economic war on Russia and Iran.

    'America First' will just have to wait.

    Briefly, it appeared that a new president was about to give the American people what they wanted: secure borders, military non-intervention, and economic nationalism.

    But savvy Israel and its army of agents cleverly derailed that populist agenda.

    In its place, Trump has shifted his energy towards to undermining Iranian resistance to Israeli hegemony and, at the same time, working to break the Russia-Iran-Syrian alliance. It's back to basics.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    These are Israel's traditional marching orders. They are not new. What's new is that Trump is finally On Board and totally with the program.

    Maybe another hot, missile-launching war against Israel's latest enemy-du-jour is the right thing, after all. Who knows.

    If Trump plays his cards right and does Israel's bidding as scripted, maybe even the Russia-gate conspiracy theory will fold up its tent and leave town. It's possible.

    Powerful people reward those who serve them.

    Your recollection is different from mine. I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement. I remember him always going on about how bad a deal it was. The problem was, as you correctly pointed out, Hellary was also very much opposed to the agreement, and since Trump was at least better on Syria (Hellary wanted a ‘no-fly’ zone), I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

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    But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …
     
    Yes.
    , @Rurik

    I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement.
     
    Donald Trump hates Obama's guts

    that's the only, tiny, tenuous thread of hope there is, that he's tearing up the agreement as one more repudiation of everything Obama 'accomplished'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA

    I know it's (pathetically) grasping at straws at this point, but that's all I've got.

    And I still think Trump is a quantum leap over the war hag, who would have done a 'Gadhafi' on Assad by now. And all of Syria and beyond would be reeling from the slaughter, as Al-Nusra would be 'ruling' in Damascus- that is, if we weren't at war with Russia.

    Let's just hope Europe reins in the zio-con dream of war with Iran.
    , @lavoisier
    I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

    Trump's main problem is that he is a hollow man--he has no core principles that he believes in. How could he have any core principles given that he is a very ignorant man. A fool by any other name in fact.

    This is the man that we had hoped could lead us out of our Zionist imposed wilderness.

    The only thing that can turn the nation around is a serious economic depression or a significant loss of American life from another misguided military intervention on behalf of Israel. Another disastrous war could be the impetus to drive that major depression that the nation needs to begin some form of correction.

    The Republic is on life support.

    Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

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  73. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I tend to agree with you, especially about the economy. That’s what matters, not all this missionary worrying about the rest of the world.

    The thing I like most about Trump is that jews & liberals hate him. They hate me too and constantly work to make the position of me and every other normal White person in this country worse.

    There seems to be a major split in the Jewish community. 95 % and the Jewish press hate him passionately but the 5% that put him in office are using him for the benefit of Jews and Israel????
    By Jewish press I mean the Jewish community press, not the rest of the media which is also the Jewish media.

    Per the NYTimes 76% of Jews are self-proclaimed liberals which means open borders advocating, muslim hugging, BLM supporting rainbow nation progressivetards, this group hates Trump with every fiber of their being, they don’t care what he does or doesn’t do, they want him impeached, period. 23% out of the remaining 24% are neocons who are all about what’s best for their own pocketbooks and Israel, and also want open borders. Only 1% or less of Jews are like the rest of Trump’s base, for MAGA which means no more wars and no more immigration.

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  74. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a Netflix documentary about Trump I watched last night. Interesting. It seems unbiased and as truthful as anything can be.

    OT, my Netflix is just inundated with Nazi & WW2 documentaries It’s as bad as the history channel.

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  75. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The American people don’t benefit from a broken “nukes” agreement nor does Trump’s base nor do the frustrated allies nor does the international community. No one benefits. No one except Israel, that is.
     
    By pro Israel you mean Diaspora Jews, but Jews' greatest influence on the US and West is not in relation to Israel at all. The Jewish push for mass immigration into the West and opposition to ever sending the immigrants back to their ancestral homeland is an existential threat to the indigenous population of the West. The only way to remove that threat is to lull Israel into expelling the bulk of the West Bank Arabs, thereby ensuring that Israel can remains a Jewish state in the long term. Destroying Iran, which Bolton's appointment shows Trump is intent on, will cure Israel of timidity.

    As long as there is a Jewish state in the Mideast, there will always be conniving scheming Jews all over the west to ensure continued support for the motherland. The diaspora will never all voluntarily go back to Israel to Make Israel Great Again. They know their presence in the west is necessary to continue the support for Israel.

    Western nations support Israel because of our ties to Christianity, like Mike Pence’s undying support for Israel, because Israel is the birth place of Christ. Perhaps the west becoming increasingly secular is a good thing, it will gradually loosen Israel’s hold on us. Europe is much more secular than the US and is already breaking free, they are for keeping the nuke deal with Iran and keeping Assad in power.

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    Western nations support Israel because of our ties to Christianity,


    Why didn't they establish it in 500AD or 600 AD?

    wern't they screwing the local Jews living there ? Yes They were.
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  76. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TT
    You should use your real handle to write, since its truth that you shouldn't shy to reveal openly.

    Putin is in Syria for Russia oil gas route control & Israel-Yinon interest only, that is to partition up into 4 pcs. What it means to invite Bibi to stand beside him during Russia big celebrating day? Russia is Israel best friend, so Iran & Syria don't be fooled.

    China had also failed to protect Iran, cancelling its Nuclear reactor project under US & Israel great pressure previously. But China at least gave Iran the design for them to figure out. Also it can't sell Iran weapons. Even ZTE has some minor project by one of its reseller/agent with Iran has make US slapped $700M fine, mandatory sacking ZTE Chairman, CEO, and punishment for all senior excutives. But recently US under Trump goes ahead to sanction ZTE on foolish ground juz to kill China 5G leading.

    US judge even make a mockery of justice system & Americans by asking Iran to pay 911 victims when nearly all hijackers are Saudi arabian.

    Totally agree about the insanity of one ridiculous judge awarding 9/11 victims billions in damages claiming Iran responsible for 9/11.

    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?

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    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?
     
    Hey. that's a vicious, unwarranted libel. A canard, even. Only 15 out of 19. So there.

    And please don't mention that 95+% of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West are carried out, not by Iran-supported Shiites, but by radical Sunnis. Salafists/ Wahhabists. And you certainly shouldn't mention who trains the radical Salafist imams, or who funds their madrassas and mosques in Europe and America, or who supports Salafist terrorist groups (besides the US government, I mean). Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be... inconvenient.

    But some of these Salafist terrorists aren't directly backed by Saudi Arabia, of course. For instance, if someone were to look at the Manchester bomber, his family, and their connections to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group -- the Iranian government may have backed them, but that was clearly because they wanted to overthrow Qaddafi, using LIFG as a proxy, and Manchester was just collateral damage, right? I mean, that's what would fit with The Narrative, anyway...

    https://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/manchester-bombing-covert-proxy-wars

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/24/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi-linked-to-libyan-isis-libyan-dawn/

    And definitely don't look into who Fethullah Gulen is, why he has 200+ taxpayer-supported madrassahs/ "charter schools" in he US, or what kind of connection senior CIA official Graham Fuller has to Gulen... and to the Tsarnaevs (Boston bombers). That would be a "conspiracy theory." As is anything that Sibel Edmonds has said, ever, of course. If none of the media outlets that you trust has ever mentioned any of these people, that's because they have your best interests at heart, of course.
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  77. TT says:

    European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said it was time for the EU to “ replace the United States ” and show international leadership. Defending the nuclear accord, Germany’s Merkel also said Europe must take its destiny into its own hands as the US can no longer be relied upon. The New York Times reported that “ Trump had humiliated Europe ” and “ transatlantic relations are in trouble.”

    Trump’s withdrawal from Iran nuclear deal gives Europe a choice: Become vassals or be independent

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/426492-iran-deal-trump-vassals-eu/

    Interesting article. Trumps may be truly godsend for world peace if EU decided to go with the world, China & Russia, to implement a system without US hedgmon. What can US do if the world refused to take its sanction order?

    EU is unable to take another bigger round of ME refugees crisis if war break out in Iran. Time for Iran to prepare sending its people to flood EU, and rule over choice countries like Germany & France.

    Iran has a world largest concentrated gas field shared with Oman worth $2T, that they wanted to pipe to EU via Syria. Total Fr has 50.1% share, China 20%, Russia will be given piping project. Will they gave up for US-KSA-Israel to takeover?

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  78. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    Yaakov Nimrodi who was posted in 1953 and spent next 13 yrs. in Iran said,: “
    When one day we shall be permitted to talk about all that we have done in Iran, you will be horrified. it is beyond your imagination”
    Yaakov Nimrodi was an intelligence and military operative out of ISRAEL was involved training the torture unit of SAVAK
    P 40
    SPY TRADE
    How Israeli’s Lobby Undermines American Economy
    By Grant F. Smith

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  79. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    As long as there is a Jewish state in the Mideast, there will always be conniving scheming Jews all over the west to ensure continued support for the motherland. The diaspora will never all voluntarily go back to Israel to Make Israel Great Again. They know their presence in the west is necessary to continue the support for Israel.

    Western nations support Israel because of our ties to Christianity, like Mike Pence's undying support for Israel, because Israel is the birth place of Christ. Perhaps the west becoming increasingly secular is a good thing, it will gradually loosen Israel's hold on us. Europe is much more secular than the US and is already breaking free, they are for keeping the nuke deal with Iran and keeping Assad in power.

    Western nations support Israel because of our ties to Christianity,

    Why didn’t they establish it in 500AD or 600 AD?

    wern’t they screwing the local Jews living there ? Yes They were.

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  80. Z-man says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Your recollection is different from mine. I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement. I remember him always going on about how bad a deal it was. The problem was, as you correctly pointed out, Hellary was also very much opposed to the agreement, and since Trump was at least better on Syria (Hellary wanted a 'no-fly' zone), I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It's pathetic ...

    But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

    Yes.

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  81. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Upon further reflection I've decided Trump pulling out of the Iran deal is probably a good thing after all. First this was a really bad deal for the US financially. We were basically paying them $400B to stop enriching uranium for a mere 8 years. Second, why should we care if Iran develops nukes? They have no history of attacking the west. Let them go develop their nukes and let the Arabs, Israelis, Persians and Egyptians go fight to their hearts' content and gouge one another's eye out. These mendacious sand monkey ragheads have been feuding and pissing on one another for the last 10,000 years, and they will be fighting for the next 10,000 regardless of what we do or don't do. As long as the sun still comes up in the east, you can count on the Jews and the Muslims to be fighting, somebody, anybody.

    We need to get the hell out of the Mideast and leave these medieval hothead snake charmers to their own devices, let them go stew and boil in the hell of their own making.

    Trump was asked this question repeatedly about Iran deal in a negative way by the scribes by the TV expert by the equally dumb or hired white males in the town hall meetings. His voice was better than Cruze Rubio Graham Perry who wanted to bomb day after the election.

    By asking question in same persistent negative tone , the atmosphere of hatred was set to envelop anybody elected to the office.
    Everybody will remember how Hewitt of CNN went apoplectic when Trump informed he would be a good negotiator , a neutral and impartial one , between Israel and Palestine.

    Hope one day the tables turn and these faces and TV morons are forced to say 7 days a week 24 hours 365 days on same medium how Israel has victimized the Syrian, Iran Iraqis and Palestinian people through gross systematic abuses of US system .


    Iran was robbed 260 billions dollars by US. Obama tried to return some of it.

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  82. @Seraphim
    But what about Jared Kushner, Ivanka who 'converted' to Judaism, about the pride expressed by the Trump that she has a 'beautiful Jewish baby', what about his life-long dealings with the Jews*

    *“He surrounds himself oddly enough with Jewish personnel, both then and now: his real estate lawyer is Jewish, his house counsel is Jewish, his controller is Jewish, his chief of staff, chief financial officer, executive vice president, his first executive vice president – I was his litigator for 15 years,” Jay Goldberg, who worked for Trump from 1990 to 2005, said in an interview...
    “When we talk about the Jewish community and I really think about it, I can’t think of one Christian person on his senior staff,” said Goldberg, who will vote for Trump in November. “It’s amazing to me. It’s almost prejudice in favor of Jewish people....
    But Trump has also given generously to Jewish philanthropic organizations, including the Jewish National Fund and United Jewish Appeal, dating back to his very early career. Many of his donations and event appearances were quite private and went unrewarded – at least with publicity, a commodity Trump values enormously...
    Trump often touts his connections to the community and hangs several Jewish awards prominently above his desk in Trump Tower, including JNF’s Tree of Life, awarded to him in 1983 for his fund-raising abilities, according to one longtime board member...
    “Deep down I think Donald has a Jewish heart,” said Greenblatt (executive vice president and chief legal officer at the Trump Organization), who has attended services with Trump where he would hum along to Aleinu and stand and sit with the flow of ritual. “I wouldn’t say that he isn’t equally fond of non- Jews who share the same work ethic as his own. I think he’s very much an equal opportunity type of person.”
    And last but not least this pearl:
    “My feeling was, ‘I figured out how to use Jews to my advantage.’”!

    @https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Donald-Trump/Pride-and-affirmative-prejudice-The-complex-history-of-Donald-Trump-and-the-Jews-468120

    Jewish, Calvinist…What’s the difference?

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  83. Clyde says:

    The Iran Nuke deal was the Obama-Kerry-Iran nuke deal. Totally cooked up by Obama and John Kerry as far as American participation. Congress, The US Senate was never asked to pass this treaty. So if Donald Trump kills it, it is his prerogative. This is what happens when something is done 100% via (Obama) Presidential directives. It can be easily obliterated by his successor which surprise! Was Trump rather than Hillary who would have left this Iran-Obama-Kerry-CuckedEuropean scheme in place.

    Shipping all that cash to the Iranians was crazy and emblematic of how anarchic Obama liked to do things.

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    T"he treaty in question is not the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. It’s the United Nations Charter, delivered to the US Senate by President Harry Truman and duly ratified by that body on July 28, 1945 by a vote of 89-2.

    Under Article 25 of the UN Charter, “members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.”

    On July 20, 2015, the members of that body, including the United States, unanimously endorsed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action in UN Security Council Resolution 2231." https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2018/05/09/the-iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-just-a-good-idea-its-the-law/
    , @anon
    This comment hopefully will remove any future attempt on your part to confuse the matter knowingly-
    hopefully. But I wont bet on it. It is part and core of the Hasabara teachings- that is t lie repeatedly a and loudly


    " Mark Thomason • a day ago

    The US Constitution provides for treaties.

    It provides the President "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur." That is what happened with the UN Treaty.

    It provides that the courts can enforce them, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority"

    It also provides that Treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land."

    The UN Treaty was properly approved by the Senate, so the US Courts can and must enforce it as the Supreme Law, just like the Constitution itself.

    What if they conflict? The provisions of the Constitution often conflict. Resolving that is Constitutional Law, and a large subject." https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2018/05/09/the-iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-just-a-good-idea-its-the-law/
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  84. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan
    How about a mini suicide sub from the Nork Navy for the Rocketman?

    Hahahah yeah with the added bonus that the tsunami(s) will only hit US alliez lol

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  85. The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, “yes.” This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it’s a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for “objective news?” For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don’t be ridiculous. Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened

    “Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.” ”
    “Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him “a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant.” Kennedy denounced him for running “one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind.” ”

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, “democratic” alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to “free” his people from “oppression?” Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media’s unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn’t just the international media working as Khomeini’s PR agency — the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn’t working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it’s oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what’s happened to that in the years since the revolution… All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli “periphery concept” less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel’s regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another “glorious revolution” back in the hippie days?
    “The Will of the People” May 15, 1973
    “the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia’s affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge.”

    “Cambodia” September 15, 1975 — still at it:
    “The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. ”
    “The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals.”

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

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    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.
     
    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[25][26]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
     
    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks - at least until I read a convincing rebuttal of your main points and assertions of fact. With that proviso, I say, as someone generally fairly well informed and who likes to be better informed, that this is the kind of contribution that makes it worth reading UR comments.
    , @Ivan
    Thanks for providing some perspective here. Its a relief to read historically informed comment, as people are getting old and the field is left open to the half-educated banshees screaming the loudest. The Shah was the main backer of OPEC, while Saudi Arabia ran as a swing producer, he was not a toady when it came to Iranian interests. One item among many: Iranian carpets used to cost about the value of a good car when the Shah was around. The mullahs destroyed the market by running the value down to peanuts. Even when it came to a craft industry, the mullahs screwed up.

    As for the undead Kissinger, nowhere in recent history has there been such a vainglorious fool, trumpeting his achievements with the help of door stopper sized books, but in the end amounting to nothing more than wind.
    , @James Brown
    Of course you're right. But you're writing about "prehistory" and against the official narrative of even the so called Alt-Media. So, you need to be patient and repeat it several times.
    Maybe some readers that are not brain dead will get it.

    Most people ignore that the main enemy of the chosen people and its colonies (The USA, Europe and Russia) is a secular country in the Middle-East.

    Iran under Shah was a secular country, thefore it had to be destroyed and replaced by people who believed that all the answsers can be found in a book given by God to a merchant several centuries ago.

    Iraq was a secular country. Science was taken seriously and women treated as they should be and not according to the sacred book. Iraq, of course, had to be destroyed.

    Iran under the Shah, would of course, got the bomb. That meant of course that the monopoly of the bomb of the "only democracy" and terrorist state in the ME wouldn't exist today...and maybe more people would be alive today and we would have less terrorism in the world.

    Of course, one of the first decision of those who were put in power when CIA overthrew the Shah, was to stop the project of getting the bomb because it's "un-Islamic".

    Pakistan, of course, has got the bomb. When was the last time the terrorist state threaten to bomb Pakistan ? The last time the terrorist state killed the "best and brightest " of Pakistan ?
    , @anonymous
    [It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…]

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not
    REZA SHAH. Reza shah was his FATHER and was overthrown by British and soviet cooperation (read Russia) as USUAL, where his fault was his neutrality against Germany, although Reza Shah was installed by British. Reza Shah and Iran was humiliated by both the British and the Soviets, therefore he preferred to be neutral, where is not accepted if you are not strong and a colony. You have to fight for the interest of the Evil Empire. If anyone is familiar with the end of WWI and German final status given by the brutal British and Americans, then would NOT BE SURPRISED IF GERMANY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS VICTIMHOOD.

    [ When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, like Kissinger, using your puppet, Saddam Hussein later killed after US used him against Iran but could not topple Iranian government. Kissinger said: LET’S KILL EACH OTHER and I add, let’s kill each other to sell more weapons to be used against each other to protect our arm industry, then the looser will be removed by our invasion. Now, stupid Arab head of state, don’t learn that Saudi Arabia is NEXT after the west use their wealth and send their sons and fathers to fight for their interests, then they can easily execute them, like Saddam and Qaddafi, using slogan like ‘freedom and democracy’. It may happens during our life time that MBS and his traitor family be assassinated by the same evil empire.

    Also, Saddam/US/Israel, used trained Mossad/CIA MEK , Iranian terrorists organization, supported by criminals such as Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, to invade Iran to overthrow the Government, but could not. Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, Mek, but many of MEK were killed, and many more arrested, later executed.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/john-bolton-cheerleader-for-the-mek/


    [“Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”]

    Houchang Nahavandi was a corrupt and SAVAK man who enriched himself by serving the dictator and puppet of the Evil Empire. The illiterate people must know that the evil empire wanted to bring down Soviet Union, thus a “COLD WAR” established. Iran as a colony with American Bases and the Shah as a servant - had to obey to serve the interest of the master NOT IRANIAN PEOPLE, thus, the Shah would kill every opposition group, where these people were first and most nationalists and wanted the interest of Iran. The United States focused on the ‘communist’ thus, THE LEFT WAS A TARGET, but the Islamic opposition had easier time, although they were also the target. Many Iranian leaders in the government had imprisoned durifng the terror era of the Shah, The Israel and US puppet.
    Imam Khomeini, Suprem leader Khamenei, Bazargan, and many more all served time under the US/Israel puppet, the Shah. The Shah had to follow the ORDERS to SAVE IRANIANS FROM ‘communism’, therefore, many programs including Torture, imprisonment, assassination, rapes conducted by an organization called SAVAK, created and trained by US and Israel. An atmosphere FAR WORST THAN McCarthy era in the United States.

    Israelis were heavily involved in the training of assassins, torturer and traitors. Americans provided the dictator shah with weapons of mass destruction and charged poor Iran billions of dollars for the weapons that Iran didn’t need but was used against the civil population to serve the interest of US and Israel. Iran was sending Iranians to fight in Oman, for the interest of the Evil Empire and its extension Zionist Jews, like Saudi Arabia the puppet, Do you know the history of Iran?

    [Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.]

    Are you that illiterate not knowing that NYT is USG propagandists and Zionist interest protector? The horror situation in Iran was created and maintained by US/Israel hegemony vision and theoreticians such as Brzezinski and Kissinger. Now the Zionist agents are trying to save the criminals.
    The use of ‘Persian empire’ to frighten dummies was FIRST PROMOTED BY the Known Zionist Jew, William Safire at the NYF, where he is in his grave now.

    No Iranians believe the rubbish that is coming from the mouth of the president like ‘freedom’, ‘human rights’, because all these propaganda ARE PART OF THE SOFT POWER of the foreign policy.
    As jack dresser writes:
    [In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and destroyed Iranian democracy to maintain Western control of Iran’s oil industry, then installed Shah Pahlavi and his brutal Savak-enforced police state for a quarter century as a bastion of US power in Central Asia until overthrown by a popular revolution in 1979. Given US stakes in control of the region, holding US embassy hostages seemed sensible at that time to discourage US military intervention, but the Iranian people have been punished by sanctions ever since including billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and a 40% reduction in Iranian oil exports.
    Iran is not an aggressor nation, having invaded no other country for over 200 years. US and Israeli intelligence services – supported by the IAEA – acknowledge that NPT-signatory Iran has no nuclear weapons program, and moreover, would pose no military threat even with nukes. They are neither crazy nor suicidal. In contrast, NPT non-signatory Israel has repeatedly attacked and occupied territories of all its contiguous neighbors throughout its brief 67-year history and is the only nuclear threat in the region with both land- and sea-based missile delivery systems. ]

    It was Brzezinski, Carter’s Advisor, who was trying to win the ‘cold war’ using Islamist against Russia, thus, the CIA arming of Islamist extremists, including Al Qaeda, in fomenting the war in Afghanistan to force them out. Brzezinski said: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

    It is stupid to think that Shah thought Kissinger was his ‘friend’. The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest. The western power, always think, first and most, about their interests. THEY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS, only INTEREST.

    So, the United States ALWAYS keep relations with the opposition groups, although they pretend that are your supporters, and act on time against you. So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah, to bring Islamists to power against Soviet Union, using the discontent In Iran. Khomeini was not dummy. He USED both Iranian CIA agents to come to power with the help of the Iranian people, a popular revolution, who hated the Shah, and then Khomeini executed Qotbzadeh, who tried to stage a coup against Iranian government on CIA behalf, and isolated Ebrahim Yazdi until hid death two years ago.
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  86. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    The Iran Nuke deal was the Obama-Kerry-Iran nuke deal. Totally cooked up by Obama and John Kerry as far as American participation. Congress, The US Senate was never asked to pass this treaty. So if Donald Trump kills it, it is his prerogative. This is what happens when something is done 100% via (Obama) Presidential directives. It can be easily obliterated by his successor which surprise! Was Trump rather than Hillary who would have left this Iran-Obama-Kerry-CuckedEuropean scheme in place.

    Shipping all that cash to the Iranians was crazy and emblematic of how anarchic Obama liked to do things.

    T”he treaty in question is not the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. It’s the United Nations Charter, delivered to the US Senate by President Harry Truman and duly ratified by that body on July 28, 1945 by a vote of 89-2.

    Under Article 25 of the UN Charter, “members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.”

    On July 20, 2015, the members of that body, including the United States, unanimously endorsed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action in UN Security Council Resolution 2231.” https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2018/05/09/the-iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-just-a-good-idea-its-the-law/

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  87. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    The Iran Nuke deal was the Obama-Kerry-Iran nuke deal. Totally cooked up by Obama and John Kerry as far as American participation. Congress, The US Senate was never asked to pass this treaty. So if Donald Trump kills it, it is his prerogative. This is what happens when something is done 100% via (Obama) Presidential directives. It can be easily obliterated by his successor which surprise! Was Trump rather than Hillary who would have left this Iran-Obama-Kerry-CuckedEuropean scheme in place.

    Shipping all that cash to the Iranians was crazy and emblematic of how anarchic Obama liked to do things.

    This comment hopefully will remove any future attempt on your part to confuse the matter knowingly-
    hopefully. But I wont bet on it. It is part and core of the Hasabara teachings- that is t lie repeatedly a and loudly

    ” Mark Thomason • a day ago

    The US Constitution provides for treaties.

    It provides the President “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.” That is what happened with the UN Treaty.

    It provides that the courts can enforce them, “The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority”

    It also provides that Treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.”

    The UN Treaty was properly approved by the Senate, so the US Courts can and must enforce it as the Supreme Law, just like the Constitution itself.

    What if they conflict? The provisions of the Constitution often conflict. Resolving that is Constitutional Law, and a large subject.” https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2018/05/09/the-iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-just-a-good-idea-its-the-law/

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    For something that is iron "Law" for you, via the pathetic UN. Donald Trump sure had an easy time nullifying it. If Obama had run his Iran deal through the US Senate (he did not have the votes) before signing onto this UN agreement, then Trump would have had a more difficult time nullifying this Obama-Kerry dirty deal with Mullahs/ It would have taken a Senate vote to rescind it.
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  88. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The American people don’t benefit from a broken “nukes” agreement nor does Trump’s base nor do the frustrated allies nor does the international community. No one benefits. No one except Israel, that is.
     
    By pro Israel you mean Diaspora Jews, but Jews' greatest influence on the US and West is not in relation to Israel at all. The Jewish push for mass immigration into the West and opposition to ever sending the immigrants back to their ancestral homeland is an existential threat to the indigenous population of the West. The only way to remove that threat is to lull Israel into expelling the bulk of the West Bank Arabs, thereby ensuring that Israel can remains a Jewish state in the long term. Destroying Iran, which Bolton's appointment shows Trump is intent on, will cure Israel of timidity.

    Why do you suppose Israel expelling the West Bank Arabs will result in influential liberal American Jews opposing immigration to the US? Several Palestinians were recently shot by the IDF during some protests near the Israeli border. Does this mean influential liberal American Jews will now start supporting the US Army shooting at the migrant caravan now headed toward the US-Mexican border?

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    Influential liberal American Jews would be cut off from the source of their power if they could not play the Israel card, for example

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/25/news-opinion/united-states/travel-ban-case-jewish-justice-poses-hypothetical-anti-semitic-president

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Justice Elana Kagan asked the lawyer defending the president’s travel ban to imagine the same ban if it applied to Israelis.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.
     

    Israel cannot survive as a Jewish state without expelling the majority of West Bank Arabs. It is not necessary make influential liberal American Jews support anything, just muting them will be quite sufficient. Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble and so Israel is preparing for the major war that is necessary to neutralise the Iranians and if possible the main threat, which is the Arabs in the occupied territories of course. If the US was to attack Iran then Iranian backed militias in the region will destablise Jordan, with the help of Assad who will be returning the favour to the Hashemites who tried to topple his family dictatorship. Chaos in Jordan and a revolt by crazy Arabs in the occupied territories would be the perfect opportunity to throw the Arabs across the river. Israel would face a great deal of criticism and war with Arab countries, but thius would be good. With Israel's back to the wall, liberal Jews would be muted about Trump because he is Israel's greatest friend. No influential liberal Jew can kick Israel when it is down without becoming an outcast from the organised community.
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  89. Rurik says:
    @James Forrestal
    The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, "yes." This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it's a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It's also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history...

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah's rule -- how does this compare to the early years of the "Islamic Republic?" Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini's first month in power than in the Shah's 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for "objective news?" For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don't be ridiculous. Here's a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the "human rights" and "corruption" narrative with respect to the Shah's government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened
    "Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah's ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: "We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend." "
    "Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him "a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant." Kennedy denounced him for running "one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind." "

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, "democratic" alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to "free" his people from "oppression?" Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media's unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn't just the international media working as Khomeini's PR agency -- the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn't working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it's oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what's happened to that in the years since the revolution... All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli "periphery concept" less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel's regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another "glorious revolution" back in the hippie days?
    "The Will of the People" May 15, 1973
    "the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia's affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge."

    "Cambodia" September 15, 1975 -- still at it:
    "The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. "
    "The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals."

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included “electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails.”[25][26]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa’idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for “scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from ‘brute force.’ Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new ‘scientific’ methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The “primary goal” of those using the bastinados “was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices …” [19]

    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK

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    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2017/11/08/ANALYSIS-Iranian-regime-and-its-appalling-violation-of-children-s-rights.html

    Iran uses children to clear minefields.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    Iran publicly hangs 12 female Bahai schoolteachers from cranes. Some were only teenagers.

    The current regime is far worse than the shah and his secret police
    , @James Forrestal
    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated. An excellent job of reinforcing my point. The talmudvision has great power over many, doesn't it?

    The particular method by which you feel compelled to enforce these specific elements of an remarkably simplistic, Manichaean narrative is also illustrative. You (of course) make no effort to dispute that this aspect of The Narrative sprang into being, full-formed, in the late 1970s. And of course, you immediately, reflexively revert to repeating the (hoped-for) shock value of unverifiable anecdotal atrocities. Muh Beach Boy!! Gas Baby!! WMDs!! Muh Bosnian Serb "concentration camps!" We've seen it all before. Kinda getting old by now, doncha think?

    Of course (as is typical of the mindless defenders of legacy media-enforced narratives) you refuse to to engage in even a semblance of quantitative comparisons with either contemporaneous authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world, or with the post-Shah regime.

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini's acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule is particularly illustrative, as is your refusal to engage with the (again, obvious) point that Khomeini rose from obscure exile to returning "savior" with a remarkable amount of Western governmental, media, and deep state support.

    When a ruler loses ZOG's support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he's annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh. Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.

    , @Zumbuddi
    Quote "Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority." End quote

    Not quite, Rurik.

    George H W Bush selected Khomeini and maneuvered him into power.

    GHWB, Pissed at Carter for removing him from CIA chiefdom - fiefdom, retained his contacts. And knew, before Carter, that Shah was dying. GHWB foresaw the succession situation & planned for it. He selected a charismatic Muslim on the concept that such a leader could/would control a dynamic population that might otherwise embrace Communists.

    (Removing the Shah STRUCTURE worked against Israeli interests in "exisential" ways- maybe more dramatic than Iraq war. Did GHWB go rogue from Jewish demands? I haven't fully figured out the intrigues between GHWB, Jews/Israel, Reagan, etc.)

    That's not the whole, compete entire story but it most definitely is o e huge piece of the puzzle that must be considered in order to see the whole picture.

    With respect,
    Yr obedientt Servant
    Etc
    , @Zumbuddi
    My bad.

    Should have read Forestsl comment carefully before spouting off.

    The short story is there is no Short Story version of Iran.

    BUT this is my own Short Prayer for Iran and the Iranian people:

    Hands Off Iran.

    Leave them Be, to resolve their own society & preserve Persian culture.
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  90. snag says:

    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck – For me more important is what he promised to us – So far what I see his foreign policy suggest that Israel comes first not us and America. Just another Israel firster and zio-ass kisser, like the rest of them ,…

    Sick !!! ,…

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    Yup. We got shlonged by Trumpowitz. MIGA: Make Israel Great Again!
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  91. Rurik says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Your recollection is different from mine. I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement. I remember him always going on about how bad a deal it was. The problem was, as you correctly pointed out, Hellary was also very much opposed to the agreement, and since Trump was at least better on Syria (Hellary wanted a 'no-fly' zone), I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It's pathetic ...

    I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement.

    Donald Trump hates Obama’s guts

    that’s the only, tiny, tenuous thread of hope there is, that he’s tearing up the agreement as one more repudiation of everything Obama ‘accomplished’.

    I know it’s (pathetically) grasping at straws at this point, but that’s all I’ve got.

    And I still think Trump is a quantum leap over the war hag, who would have done a ‘Gadhafi’ on Assad by now. And all of Syria and beyond would be reeling from the slaughter, as Al-Nusra would be ‘ruling’ in Damascus- that is, if we weren’t at war with Russia.

    Let’s just hope Europe reins in the zio-con dream of war with Iran.

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  92. @John Gruskos
    It is absolutely mind boggling that Sheldon Adelson purchased control of US foreign policy for a measly $35 million per election cycle.

    Possibly the most extreme leverage in world history.

    At the Global level
    Pharaoh (and their public and private corporations that hold massively profitable wealth; in the form of
    monopolies created fr\thin air or existing gov monopolies privatized by transfer to private enterprise,
    but rule of law; these people are global and they know each other).

    At the local nation state level (250 different nations states more or less)

    Salaried slave drivers ( these people run the bureaucracies; staff and provision intelligence, security and military and keep them ready for Pharaoh request to get someone or something bumped off; and they make the laws that do these things:
    1) make the laws and grant government controls that create Pharaoh wealth and income
    2) they make the laws that siphon from Slave activity the profits and shuffle them to the Pharaohs.
    3) make the laws that keep the slaves under secure watch and in a totally controlled information environment
    4) make the laws that require slaves to get licenses to do work, and get education to get jobs,
    5) make ticket and price gate laws (library services, water, sewerage, energy, garbage).
    6) make laws that deny or highly discourage competition to Pharaoh businesses)

    Shelton’s empire may be larger than most nation states; but its small by comparison? Want to make America great again cancel the laws that allow things to be patented, copyrighted or that allow people to own private property to lease out to others. Over night these giant corporations will collapse, and almost as quickly, hundreds of thousands of small business will pop up to compete with them.
    Its competition the Pharaohs do not want and its security from the slaves that the Pharaohs do want.

    Want to know why the Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen wars: check on the locations of the oil and gas wells and poppy fields to see who owns them and who produces product from them, you will then be able to figure out why you nation must protect the Pharaoh.

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  93. alley cat says:

    Motivation matters: Trump didn’t go on TV and lie his head off about Iran because he cares about Israel. The Donald cares only about the Donald. Perfect symmetry all around.

    Whenever my mother wanted to warn me away from someone she always told me: “He only looks after number one.”

    But these days, being an egomaniac to the exclusion of everyone else’s interest is considered admirable, and a necessary qualification for high political office.

    We could also apply another of my mother’s maxims: “countries get the leaders they deserve.”

    Well, we got what we deserve, and in spades this time, although Hillary was probably even worse, so maybe we did something right, not to deserve her.

    If our president had any of the courage or integrity many of us thought he had in him, he would have rolled up his sleeves and duked it out with the Zionist-neocons, and maybe, just maybe, prevailed, had he taken his case directly to the people. Instead, the Great Negotiator cut a deal: de facto, unconditional, surrender to the ZOG in exchange for being allowed to pretend he’s still president.

    And for those of you who continue deluding yourselves that Trump is playing 12 to the nth power dimensional chess, or waiting until the stars are properly aligned, or the omens are propitious, or whatever, to make his move against the Zionist-neocon swamp, I have no doubt you will still be saying the same thing right up until the moment nuclear warheads begin raining down on all of us.

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    Sadly you make many good points.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    That a country gets the leaders it deserves is obviously both woolly and dangerous if you give it a moment's thought. Dangerous because it seems to justify the harm done to the population of a country whose leaders behave as enemies to us. (At least the Krauts got it good and hard for that 36 [33?]per cent vote for the Nazis that gave Adolf to them and all of us).

    May I suggest, with a tinge of perhaps naive optimism, that the important characteristic about DT may be his opportunism. As long as America doesn't actually get into a war with Iran can't we see Trumpists declaring victory and moving on? Obviously it doesn't mean Trump has any clear idea how he's going to pull it off but we can surely be confident that he is confident that he can, and also, that he doesn't want to lead America into another ME war unless - which he will accept reluctantly he cannot - he can finish it successfully with bombs and rockets. (Of course that leaves scope for a few nominal attacks with only a few thousand Iranian deaths before some deal is done to get him past the next election).

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  94. Clyde says:
    @anon
    This comment hopefully will remove any future attempt on your part to confuse the matter knowingly-
    hopefully. But I wont bet on it. It is part and core of the Hasabara teachings- that is t lie repeatedly a and loudly


    " Mark Thomason • a day ago

    The US Constitution provides for treaties.

    It provides the President "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur." That is what happened with the UN Treaty.

    It provides that the courts can enforce them, "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority"

    It also provides that Treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land."

    The UN Treaty was properly approved by the Senate, so the US Courts can and must enforce it as the Supreme Law, just like the Constitution itself.

    What if they conflict? The provisions of the Constitution often conflict. Resolving that is Constitutional Law, and a large subject." https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2018/05/09/the-iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-just-a-good-idea-its-the-law/

    For something that is iron “Law” for you, via the pathetic UN. Donald Trump sure had an easy time nullifying it. If Obama had run his Iran deal through the US Senate (he did not have the votes) before signing onto this UN agreement, then Trump would have had a more difficult time nullifying this Obama-Kerry dirty deal with Mullahs/ It would have taken a Senate vote to rescind it.

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  95. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.
     
    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[25][26]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
     
    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2017/11/08/ANALYSIS-Iranian-regime-and-its-appalling-violation-of-children-s-rights.html

    Iran uses children to clear minefields.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    Iran publicly hangs 12 female Bahai schoolteachers from cranes. Some were only teenagers.

    The current regime is far worse than the shah and his secret police

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    What strikes me about your contribution is that it relates to the 1980s. Is it ignorance or just prejudice that leads to you leaving it at such an uninformative level?
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  96. @Rurik

    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.
     
    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[25][26]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
     
    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK

    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated. An excellent job of reinforcing my point. The talmudvision has great power over many, doesn’t it?

    The particular method by which you feel compelled to enforce these specific elements of an remarkably simplistic, Manichaean narrative is also illustrative. You (of course) make no effort to dispute that this aspect of The Narrative sprang into being, full-formed, in the late 1970s. And of course, you immediately, reflexively revert to repeating the (hoped-for) shock value of unverifiable anecdotal atrocities. Muh Beach Boy!! Gas Baby!! WMDs!! Muh Bosnian Serb “concentration camps!” We’ve seen it all before. Kinda getting old by now, doncha think?

    Of course (as is typical of the mindless defenders of legacy media-enforced narratives) you refuse to to engage in even a semblance of quantitative comparisons with either contemporaneous authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world, or with the post-Shah regime.

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule is particularly illustrative, as is your refusal to engage with the (again, obvious) point that Khomeini rose from obscure exile to returning “savior” with a remarkable amount of Western governmental, media, and deep state support.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh. Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.

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    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated.
     
    yea, that's me. Always following the media cartoon versions of history every time.

    lol

    (and your prose Forrestal, is inflated, flatulent and affected ; )

    then more blah, blah, blah, until we get to this gem

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule
     
    I don't know if that's true or not, but since we're busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation at how many people were killed following a violent revolution against a brutal and oppressive regime, let's consider how many Germans were killed when the US and its noble allies, overthrew the Nazi regime...

    let that sink in for a few moments, there Forrestal.

    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)

    So your affected moral pretense is patently laughable. Idiotic even.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh.
     
    nice attempt at pirouetting into a 180. The Shah didn't fall because he lost ZOG's support. That's beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn't come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.

    So your entire screed here is puerile dissembling. Dishonest, diversion from the truth. Which we get often here at Unz, but then the fun thing is mocking you liars and shills.

    Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.
     
    yep, that's me. Always robotically parroting the ((media/establishment)) narrative.

    here's a clue...

    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn't so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?

    But it's a very nuanced question of complicated geo-political exigencies and realpolitik entanglements and too hard for us dunderheads to understand it all, huh?

    well, let me cut through the bullshit, OK?

    what I know.. is that the USA are not the good guys. No. Any nation who did to Germany, and Dresden in particular, at the end of a war, what the ZUSA did to those old men, women and children after the war was over, is not a good guy'.

    The acts of treachery at Yalta are numbing for their betrayal. Stalin's enslavement of half of Europe was pure evil, and our government was complicit.

    So now that we all know that the ZUSA was a fiend, going back even to the "great" war, where 'we' fought on the side of genocidal commies who starved their people to death by the millions, for the crime of being white, Christian, hard working and prosperous.

    So let's move on to Iran, where the CIA and MI6 toppled a popular, democratically elected leader, because the ZUSA and Perfidious Albion wanted to continue to steal Iran's oil, and also of course on behalf of the Fiend, who wanted to dominate Iran, just as it dominated all the governments of the West with an imbedded Rothschild central bank. Duh.

    OK, so this is all par for the course. We fought both world wars because of the Jewish supremacist banksters who wanted Palestine, and also to crush Germany, who resisted the Fiend's attempts there to impose Bolshevik genocide and slavery.

    And now we've deposed the popular leader of Iran and imposed a quisling to the Fiend.

    Who uses the Mossad and CIA techniques to terrorize his people into submission to that very same Fiend/Zionism/international banking/contrived wars for the fun and amusement of British pedophiles, Jewish supremacists, and amoral political opportunists (Wilson, Churchill, FDR, et al)

    so this whole Iran deal isn't so convoluted after all. Rather, it's a very stark delineation between a people trying to assert their self-determination, vs. a demonic fiend on the world's stage demanding submission to its terror, theft, torture, and oppression. Exactly like we all see played out every day in Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories.

    Just as we see played out in Libya, where the Fiend has wrought its handiwork.

    Just as we see played out in Syria and Donbas, where the calling card of the Fiend is there for all to bear witness. Death, destabilization, murder, assassinations, torture, terror and horrors writ large.

    That is what the Shah represented. Not some nuanced view of geopolitics that's just far too convoluted for the average person to grasp! Bullshit. It's stark and it's hard to imagine a more glairing example of a people (Iran) who've been ravaged and wronged and brutalized by a force in the world that is stone-cold-evil and insatiable - for power. (Zionism ; )

    All we have to do is look at how the Fiend went nuts when it lost control of Iran to the Iranian people (and sadly, the mullahs).

    They used their dog on a leash- Saddam, to wage a war against Iran. A brutal and disastrous war where GHWB and his poodle Rumsfeld offered up all the chemical and other WMD that Saddam could ask for, if only he promised to use them on Persians. (The same people Donald Trump recently claimed to have so much love for). {God help a people and nation when the ZUSA is worried about them and wants to 'liberate' them}

    I hope you'll forgive the Iranian people if the love ZUS presidents have for them is not always requited effusively.

    You'd have to be a complete shithead not to know that the ZUS wants for Iran what it gave to the people of Libya. I mean come on, it was out of ebullient compassion for the people of Libya that we had to send Libya reeling into the stone age and a dystopian hell on earth! To save them! And look at them now, just imagine how they'd be without the caring and loving compassion of the Fiend!

    Just imagine where the people of Syria would be were it not for the depths of compassion that we in the zio-west have for them! Or the people of Yemen for that matter, in service to that other 'shinning light unto all nations'.

    The ZUS is and has been under the thrall of Rothschild's 'monsters from the id' for over a hundred years. It betrayed Germany and starved her into signing away their nation into slavery to the Fiend, twice in the last century.

    It funded Trotsky and consorted with Lenin and Stalin as those monsters were genociding millions of the best of Russia and Eastern Europe, and terrorizing their people with gulags and pogroms and torture and "Red Terror'. It may have been NKVD goons that were putting bullets into the brain pans of Poles at Katyn, but it was the ZUSA (Zionist, Jewish banksters) who had conceived and nurtured and facilitated the Soviet demon from day one.

    All of the horrors of the second world war can and must be laid at the feet of the ZUSA, who collaborated with that Bolsheviks and allied with them to enslave the planet.

    Exactly like today, as we're forced to participate in acts of moral enormity that should shudder the spine, for sheer, Biblical levels of evil.

    Millions of innocent people, who have done us no harm, have had their lives destroyed, their relatives slaughtered, and the nations robbed of their futures, as their people are robbed of their very lives.

    All in service to Zionism, the Fiend.

    And it is exactly this same, Satanic Fiend that is threatening Iran once again.

    Not for anything Iran did, mind you. But for simply demanding self-determination and trying to defend itself from the psychotic imperative of the Fiend to impose itself on Iran and brutalise her people and most of all, humiliate Iran as it dominates her utterly.

    Just as the people of the ZUSA and France and the West are humiliated by being forced to be party to all of this mindless, drooling iniquity and malevolent villainy.

    Now, I hope that isn't too much aping of the comic book, ((official media and establishment)) narrative I'm always parroting.
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  97. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Israelis seemed to have respected that, in that they have not sought to kill Assad or members of his government.”

    They have spent the last few years trying to have him overthrown. They have also repeatedly attacked his government in an attempt to elicit a response.

    “The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements.”

    The Israelis have no business telling the Iranians where they can put their troops in someone else’s country. Did the Iranians get to tell the US they couldn’t put troops and weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    “Russia does not want to get bogged down in a quagmire, or fight the Israelis.”

    The Russians could just give the Syrians and Iranians the S-300. They could also give the Iranians the S-400 if need be.

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    You are reading it wrong. The Russians will not give even the S-300 to the Syrians. Russia has a love hate relationship with Israel, but they have no wish to see Israel destroyed. The mullahs have painted themselves as mortal enemies of the Israelis. Why should the Israelis cower in fear?
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  98. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    “The current regime is far worse than the shah and his secret police”

    The current regime is nowhere near as bad as the Shah or the current regimes of Saudi Arabia and the United States:

    Gina Haspel, Trump’s CIA Pick, Ran a Laboratory for Torture

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-cia-pick-gina-haspel-ran-a-laboratory-for-torture

    Yemen says U.S. drone struck a wedding convoy, killing 14

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/world/meast/yemen-u-s-drone-wedding/index.html

    Saudi Arabia: Mass Execution Largest Since 1980

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/04/saudi-arabia-mass-execution-largest-1980

    Saudi Blockade of Yemen Threatens to Starve Millions, U.N. Says

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/world/middleeast/yemen-saudi-blockade.html

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    The current regime is nowhere near as bad as the Shah or the current regimes of Saudi Arabia and the United States:
     
    Conflation

    Distraction

    Bait 'n switch

    Do I need to even specifically point out that not a single one of your links has even the slightest relevance to the point you claim to be addressing? How the Shah was literally Hitlah? And SAVAK, literally the reincarnation of da ebil not-sees? And how we should pay no attention to how his regime compared, in any verifiable, quantifiable fashion, to comparable authoritarian regimes in the region? And that Iran, whether ruled by the Shah. or by the mullahs, is hardly the reliable stooge for Israel and their American golem that the House of Saud is?

    Apparently so.
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  99. RobinG says:
    @Mike P
    I just found this piece a couple of days ago, which states that the CIA threw out the Shah:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/component/k2/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened

    Then shortly afterwards, the U.S. instigated the Iran-Iraq war ... an unbroken chain of horrors imposed on that country. It is remarkable that Iran is in fact not the main sponsor of terror against America - you couldn't really blame them if they were.

    “I just found this piece …, which states that the CIA threw out the Shah”

    Are you saying that you found this particular piece (a mercifully short summary), or that you just learned about CIA/Iran in 1953, etc.? Here is a long version, written in 1991, with copious footnotes. I regard it as the white paper that ruined my life, since before that I was blissfully ignorant.

    Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 159:”Ancient History”: U.S. Conduct in the Middle East Since World War II and the Folly of Intervention https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa159.pdf

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    I knew about the role of the CIA in overthrowing Mossadegh, but I did not know that they had also overthrown the Shah. The person I was replying to did not seem to be aware of it either.

    Thanks for the link.
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  100. @Momus
    Trump clearly sees Israel as a close strategic ally and as the Western interests lynchpin in the region.

    He accepts Netanyahu as a great leader; some say of almost Churchillian stature, and can see vis a vis Saudia Arabia and Egypt the great good that is flowing from Israel's resolute stance against the mendacity of Iran.

    “The mendacity of Iran”. That makes you sound like someone who is confident of knowing a lot of important and coherent stuff about Iran. (No doubt the words “shill” and “troll” would come easily from some UR commenters, but not me). If you do know and have thought anything worth reading about Iran would you please lay out and explain what you know that justifies condemning Iran particularly for mendacity and comment on the view that, were it not for the remaining dominance of the Ayatollahs and their Revolutionary Guard, Iran would probably be the most modern and Western compatible country in the Middle East? Would you care to describe and comment on the significance of Iran’s ethnic mix? Likewise its youthfulness and almost European fertility? (Cp. Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Muslim black Africa etc)

    If you do know anything to justify your strong opinion I would, genuinely, value your further contribution.

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    Iran is run by fundamentalist Shiite theocrats and a quasi independent military cabal with the apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire. Their efforts to build nukes, avowed threats to destroy Israel and the US well documented support for terrorism and malign interference in many countries of the region is mendacious.
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  101. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    “For something that is iron “Law” for you, via the pathetic UN.”

    For being so pathetic, the Empire sure wastes a lot of time and effort with it (hint: it’s actually pretty important). And the countries represented in that deal were some of the most senior UN members; it was negotiated through the security council.

    “Donald Trump sure had an easy time nullifying it.”

    Because he’s an idiot. We never expected to have a president this dumb, corrupt, and subservient to Israel.

    “If Obama had run his Iran deal through the US Senate (he did not have the votes) before signing onto this UN agreement,”

    It wouldn’t have passed due to all the low IQ hayseed Israel worshipers we have. Iran would still be enriching uranium if he’d submitted it to them. The fact that he didn’t, and we got a great deal that worked is proof that it was the right thing to do.

    “then Trump would have had a more difficult time nullifying this Obama-Kerry dirty deal with Mullahs/ It would have taken a Senate vote to rescind it.”

    Basically, you’re blaming other people for Trump being an idiot. We shouldn’t need the senate to make sure he behaves himself.

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    I read somehere that Dresden was destroyed in fulfillment of an agreement between FDR and Stalin to ensure Soviet Russia participation in UN.
    "Worth the price."
    h/t M Albright
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  102. @WorkingClass
    Trump is a Zionist like Bannon and like his daughter. America first was always a lie.

    So why can't the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn't add up. Does it?

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?

    Take another step back, see the stage the actors stand on? On both sides? It’s the same stage.

    Inquisitor Mueller and Trump both serve the same Jewish masters. Was that not obvious by the way he’s looking for Russian collusion when the Trump administration is dripping with so much Israeli collusion that the investigation would have concluded in 24 hours had it gone that direction?

    Trump, Mueller and this whole inquisition are just about inciting the already easily led around by the nose masses into a state of further hostility and social division. Trump’s persecution is per the script. As is his unreasonable tolerance of Mueller’s absurdly and blatantly biased operation. And that of his crooked AG, Sessions. Just the normal divide and conquer paradigm they’ve been running for the better part of a century now in the US. Trump was the false hope candidate from the beginning, in case those damning family ties were not a large enough red flag. Not saying Hillary would have been better. Just that the duopoly is as alive and well as ever.

    [MORE]

    Sooner or later the left will be given back control. Intentionally. So that they can take their next turn shaking the jar of bees that is America.

    Ordo ab chao. That’s the unspoken narrative, right? It’s seemed quite clear to me for a long time now that whatever plans for tightening their grip on America the Jews/Elites/Synagogue of Satan/insert-identifier-of choice-here have, they involve intentionally provoking civil war at some point. I assume they’ll use their already borderline militant groups like BLM, Reconquista, ANTIFA, Nation of Islam, white helmets, UN, foreign armies et al. as proxys to eradicate the demographics they consider undesirable, much like how they use everyone from ISIS to ‘moderates’ in their sandbox puppet theater. And the media will neglect to cover it or blame it on Rothschild enemy X,Y, or Z, just as they do in the ME.

    The US gov’t already took all that time to conduct that massive military drill, Jade Helm, to move a metric ****ton of military equipment around the country, under a complete media blackout. And none of those tanks and MRAPs etc were ever filmed going back the way they came.

    Everything seems to be in place. At least in the US. The powers that be appear to be sort of just further winding up Americans for the big ‘snap’, like a rubber band, while they finish setting the broader stage in Europe via the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan’s demographic replacement outline in conjunction with the displaced hordes conveniently being created by the US and Israel’s Oded Yinon Plan expansionist war in the ME.

    Once the West’s summary destruction is sufficiently ensured, they’ll light the proverbial fuse with the collapse of the US dollar and Western Civilization will basically kink in the middle and crumble onto it’s own footprint like the controlled demolition that this whole multi-generational ‘New World Order’ operation is.

    The West loses it’s hegemony, the UN loses it’s ability to enforce it’s moratoriums on crimes against humanity (not that it really had much pull there to begin with), Israel is free to ethnically cleanse and push as much of the remaining Arab population as it needs to into Europe, to mongrelize Europeans out of existence as per the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, and Israel expands it’s borders unimpeded as per the Yinon Plan while the Jews/elites/whathaveyou gain free reign to do as they please in the ruins of the West while their Ministry of Truth dictates reality to the fearful remnants of the new and finalized ‘Prole’ class.

    As for the only other real player on the board, I can only imagine China’s summary destruction is included there somewhere as well. They’re already ruled by a totalitarian ideology of Semitic origin, which does not bode well. But I expect it will be by some means of large scale, environmentally friendly, ethnic cleansing, since they’ve got the most population to trim down to that golden 500 mil number of humans on the planet that the Georgia Guidestones mention in various languages. If you believe that stuff, anyway. Personally I believe the enemy likes to publicly boast about it’s plans. Knowing most won’t believe it anyway.

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    Netanyahu and several
    Israeli cabinet ministers and big officials went to Trumps wedding to Melania so he was pretty tied in with Israel then.
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  103. @James Forrestal
    The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, "yes." This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it's a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It's also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history...

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah's rule -- how does this compare to the early years of the "Islamic Republic?" Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini's first month in power than in the Shah's 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for "objective news?" For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don't be ridiculous. Here's a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the "human rights" and "corruption" narrative with respect to the Shah's government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened
    "Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah's ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: "We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend." "
    "Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him "a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant." Kennedy denounced him for running "one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind." "

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, "democratic" alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to "free" his people from "oppression?" Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media's unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn't just the international media working as Khomeini's PR agency -- the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn't working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it's oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what's happened to that in the years since the revolution... All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli "periphery concept" less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel's regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another "glorious revolution" back in the hippie days?
    "The Will of the People" May 15, 1973
    "the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia's affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge."

    "Cambodia" September 15, 1975 -- still at it:
    "The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. "
    "The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals."

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

    Thanks – at least until I read a convincing rebuttal of your main points and assertions of fact. With that proviso, I say, as someone generally fairly well informed and who likes to be better informed, that this is the kind of contribution that makes it worth reading UR comments.

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  104. Anon[351] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Iran Nuke deal was the Obama-Kerry-Iran nuke deal. Totally cooked up by Obama and John Kerry as far as American participation.”

    It was no such thing. The JCPOA involved some of the most powerful countries in the world, including three of our major treaty allies. It was a joint effort.

    “Congress, The US Senate was never asked to pass this treaty.”

    Because it’s not a treaty. Therefore, it didn’t need a senate vote. Did schools just stop teaching basic government civics? And as another poster pointed out, it was negotiated through the UN Security Council. As treaty members, security council decisions are legally binding. When confronted with that fact, you ignored it and started spouting some other idiocy.

    “So if Donald Trump kills it, it is his prerogative. This is what happens when something is done 100% via (Obama) Presidential directives. It can be easily obliterated by his successor which surprise!”

    Justifying a terrible decision by merely pointing out that one can do it.

    “Shipping all that cash to the Iranians was crazy and emblematic of how anarchic Obama liked to do things.”

    No cash was shipped anywhere, hayseed. We froze their own assets, most of which was held overseas, and returned a small fraction of it conditional to an agreement we imposed upon them – one where we got nearly everything we wanted (including them giving up 95% of their enriched uranium, a large portion of their centrifuges, and limits on how much they can enrich uranium); in return, they got nothing but promises for future improved economic cooperation and a small amount of their own money.

    See? This is why democracy doesn’t work. People like this get a say in how things are run but they lack even the smallest amount of competence. Bring on that AI singleton.

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  105. @Anon
    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2017/11/08/ANALYSIS-Iranian-regime-and-its-appalling-violation-of-children-s-rights.html

    Iran uses children to clear minefields.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    Iran publicly hangs 12 female Bahai schoolteachers from cranes. Some were only teenagers.

    The current regime is far worse than the shah and his secret police

    What strikes me about your contribution is that it relates to the 1980s. Is it ignorance or just prejudice that leads to you leaving it at such an uninformative level?

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    Neither ignorance or prejudice .

    I was merely illustrating a time ( early 80's) soon after the overthrow of the Shah. Immediately the Ayatollahs began behaving in a more vicious and bloodthirsty manner than the Shah.

    Here is more recent stuff. In Iran converting to Christianity is punishable by the death penalty. Homosexuality is punishable by the death penalty. Iran leads the world in executions ( many carried out as public spectacles , hanging by crane) surpassing even China despite having less than 8% of the population of China.

    This article was written by an iranian
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11410368

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

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  106. Z-man says:
    @alley cat
    Motivation matters: Trump didn’t go on TV and lie his head off about Iran because he cares about Israel. The Donald cares only about the Donald. Perfect symmetry all around.

    Whenever my mother wanted to warn me away from someone she always told me: “He only looks after number one.”

    But these days, being an egomaniac to the exclusion of everyone else’s interest is considered admirable, and a necessary qualification for high political office.

    We could also apply another of my mother’s maxims: “countries get the leaders they deserve.”

    Well, we got what we deserve, and in spades this time, although Hillary was probably even worse, so maybe we did something right, not to deserve her.

    If our president had any of the courage or integrity many of us thought he had in him, he would have rolled up his sleeves and duked it out with the Zionist-neocons, and maybe, just maybe, prevailed, had he taken his case directly to the people. Instead, the Great Negotiator cut a deal: de facto, unconditional, surrender to the ZOG in exchange for being allowed to pretend he’s still president.

    And for those of you who continue deluding yourselves that Trump is playing 12 to the nth power dimensional chess, or waiting until the stars are properly aligned, or the omens are propitious, or whatever, to make his move against the Zionist-neocon swamp, I have no doubt you will still be saying the same thing right up until the moment nuclear warheads begin raining down on all of us.

    Sadly you make many good points.

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  107. @alley cat
    Motivation matters: Trump didn’t go on TV and lie his head off about Iran because he cares about Israel. The Donald cares only about the Donald. Perfect symmetry all around.

    Whenever my mother wanted to warn me away from someone she always told me: “He only looks after number one.”

    But these days, being an egomaniac to the exclusion of everyone else’s interest is considered admirable, and a necessary qualification for high political office.

    We could also apply another of my mother’s maxims: “countries get the leaders they deserve.”

    Well, we got what we deserve, and in spades this time, although Hillary was probably even worse, so maybe we did something right, not to deserve her.

    If our president had any of the courage or integrity many of us thought he had in him, he would have rolled up his sleeves and duked it out with the Zionist-neocons, and maybe, just maybe, prevailed, had he taken his case directly to the people. Instead, the Great Negotiator cut a deal: de facto, unconditional, surrender to the ZOG in exchange for being allowed to pretend he’s still president.

    And for those of you who continue deluding yourselves that Trump is playing 12 to the nth power dimensional chess, or waiting until the stars are properly aligned, or the omens are propitious, or whatever, to make his move against the Zionist-neocon swamp, I have no doubt you will still be saying the same thing right up until the moment nuclear warheads begin raining down on all of us.

    That a country gets the leaders it deserves is obviously both woolly and dangerous if you give it a moment’s thought. Dangerous because it seems to justify the harm done to the population of a country whose leaders behave as enemies to us. (At least the Krauts got it good and hard for that 36 [33?]per cent vote for the Nazis that gave Adolf to them and all of us).

    May I suggest, with a tinge of perhaps naive optimism, that the important characteristic about DT may be his opportunism. As long as America doesn’t actually get into a war with Iran can’t we see Trumpists declaring victory and moving on? Obviously it doesn’t mean Trump has any clear idea how he’s going to pull it off but we can surely be confident that he is confident that he can, and also, that he doesn’t want to lead America into another ME war unless – which he will accept reluctantly he cannot – he can finish it successfully with bombs and rockets. (Of course that leaves scope for a few nominal attacks with only a few thousand Iranian deaths before some deal is done to get him past the next election).

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    Hitler was never elected to anything. Hindenburg was elected president and a year later, after great pressure was applied appointed Hitler chancellor
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  108. Moving the uSA’s embassy to Jerusalem not payment enough?

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  109. Mike P says:
    @RobinG
    "I just found this piece ..., which states that the CIA threw out the Shah"

    Are you saying that you found this particular piece (a mercifully short summary), or that you just learned about CIA/Iran in 1953, etc.? Here is a long version, written in 1991, with copious footnotes. I regard it as the white paper that ruined my life, since before that I was blissfully ignorant.

    Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 159:"Ancient History": U.S. Conduct in the Middle East Since World War II and the Folly of Intervention https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa159.pdf

    I knew about the role of the CIA in overthrowing Mossadegh, but I did not know that they had also overthrown the Shah. The person I was replying to did not seem to be aware of it either.

    Thanks for the link.

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    Perloff's article is indeed riveting, but don't you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a "Commie/Islamist" regime? Bizarre.

    Do you think the article is based entirely on the book he refers to, "The Last Shah of Iran" by Houchang Nahavandi? Anyway, thanks again for posting. Worth thinking about.
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  110. @Anon
    Totally agree about the insanity of one ridiculous judge awarding 9/11 victims billions in damages claiming Iran responsible for 9/11.

    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?

    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?

    Hey. that’s a vicious, unwarranted libel. A canard, even. Only 15 out of 19. So there.

    And please don’t mention that 95+% of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West are carried out, not by Iran-supported Shiites, but by radical Sunnis. Salafists/ Wahhabists. And you certainly shouldn’t mention who trains the radical Salafist imams, or who funds their madrassas and mosques in Europe and America, or who supports Salafist terrorist groups (besides the US government, I mean). Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be… inconvenient.

    But some of these Salafist terrorists aren’t directly backed by Saudi Arabia, of course. For instance, if someone were to look at the Manchester bomber, his family, and their connections to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group — the Iranian government may have backed them, but that was clearly because they wanted to overthrow Qaddafi, using LIFG as a proxy, and Manchester was just collateral damage, right? I mean, that’s what would fit with The Narrative, anyway…

    https://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/manchester-bombing-covert-proxy-wars

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/24/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi-linked-to-libyan-isis-libyan-dawn/

    And definitely don’t look into who Fethullah Gulen is, why he has 200+ taxpayer-supported madrassahs/ “charter schools” in he US, or what kind of connection senior CIA official Graham Fuller has to Gulen… and to the Tsarnaevs (Boston bombers). That would be a “conspiracy theory.” As is anything that Sibel Edmonds has said, ever, of course. If none of the media outlets that you trust has ever mentioned any of these people, that’s because they have your best interests at heart, of course.

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    "Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be… inconvenient."

    Only people that are brain dead can't "realize that". I would suggest that our masters know from times immemorial that if you give people "bread and circus" most of them won't care about those who are being killed far away or even closer to home or at home. Of course most "intellectuals" and ordinary people can explain and justify waco massacre.

    "And definitely don’t look into who Fethullah Gulen..."

    He was a very important CIA asset, but today I presume, he can't do much.

    I won't be surprised that his former friend (Erdogan) was also a CIA asset...and that he is still one.
    That will explain lots of "contradictions" in Turkey's foreign policy.
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  111. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    What strikes me about your contribution is that it relates to the 1980s. Is it ignorance or just prejudice that leads to you leaving it at such an uninformative level?

    Neither ignorance or prejudice .

    I was merely illustrating a time ( early 80′s) soon after the overthrow of the Shah. Immediately the Ayatollahs began behaving in a more vicious and bloodthirsty manner than the Shah.

    Here is more recent stuff. In Iran converting to Christianity is punishable by the death penalty. Homosexuality is punishable by the death penalty. Iran leads the world in executions ( many carried out as public spectacles , hanging by crane) surpassing even China despite having less than 8% of the population of China.

    This article was written by an iranian

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11410368

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

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    The lovely mullahs conducted a campaign of assassinations, that of the moderate opposition as well as monarchists until well into the 90s. Shades of how the Bolsheviks dealt with their opposition in their heyday.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Conceded. But I am inclined to think that Iran has continued modernising on a course from 60 or more years back that has been distinctly different from nearly all Arab and Arabic speaking countries. I haven't read much about Farsi (Persian?) relations with the other ethnics in Iran or whether they feel as different from the Arabs as I suppose. Americans tinkering with the idea that Iran should be a friend rather than enemy shouldn't find the barbarity of capital punishment a major barrier to comity. And why should Iran be as up to date as New York in getting to embrace LGBTQIA (phew) when e.g. the Third Rome is not...
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  112. @Anon
    "The current regime is far worse than the shah and his secret police"

    The current regime is nowhere near as bad as the Shah or the current regimes of Saudi Arabia and the United States:

    Gina Haspel, Trump’s CIA Pick, Ran a Laboratory for Torture

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-cia-pick-gina-haspel-ran-a-laboratory-for-torture

    Yemen says U.S. drone struck a wedding convoy, killing 14

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/world/meast/yemen-u-s-drone-wedding/index.html

    Saudi Arabia: Mass Execution Largest Since 1980

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/04/saudi-arabia-mass-execution-largest-1980

    Saudi Blockade of Yemen Threatens to Starve Millions, U.N. Says

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/world/middleeast/yemen-saudi-blockade.html

    The current regime is nowhere near as bad as the Shah or the current regimes of Saudi Arabia and the United States:

    Conflation

    Distraction

    Bait ‘n switch

    Do I need to even specifically point out that not a single one of your links has even the slightest relevance to the point you claim to be addressing? How the Shah was literally Hitlah? And SAVAK, literally the reincarnation of da ebil not-sees? And how we should pay no attention to how his regime compared, in any verifiable, quantifiable fashion, to comparable authoritarian regimes in the region? And that Iran, whether ruled by the Shah. or by the mullahs, is hardly the reliable stooge for Israel and their American golem that the House of Saud is?

    Apparently so.

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  113. bjondo says:

    Much ado about nothing.
    Oreobama Synagogue Negro ignored most of HIS DEAL with Rouhani (?).
    Iran much better off without and Trump can offer something actually worth honest piss for both countries.
    Now, Cuba, toss your agreement with O into the ocean or into a fiery pit. Roast a pig.
    You will be much safer and the pig will be tasty, maybe a bit greasy from the neobama deceptions.

    Employment opportunities in the toxic Yiddite landfill must be rare.
    So many monikers sold their souls to spread BS for a shekel or 2.
    My mistake. They have no souls.
    Lies for brain cells. Nothing for souls.
    And
    back to Hell they go.

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    Incoherent garbage man.
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  114. renfro says:

    Did Trump Scrap the Nuke’s Deal to Pay Back His Pro-Israel Campaign Donors?

    rotflmao…..of course he did. ..who besides the Jews/Israelis want the US to start a war.
    The Jews and Israel hate the entire world, everyone is their enemy….they are consumed with jealousy of ‘the others’.
    Its going to be a long, long war.
    But in the end Israel and the Jews will be destroyed…..so sayth their 3000 year old history….always ends the same way.

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    The blod and the hate are strong.
    , @Anon
    They haven’t been destroyed at all. They have had their ups and downs but I doubt they will ever be destroyed.
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  115. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig
    Your recollection is different from mine. I never remember Trump being cool with the Iran agreement. I remember him always going on about how bad a deal it was. The problem was, as you correctly pointed out, Hellary was also very much opposed to the agreement, and since Trump was at least better on Syria (Hellary wanted a 'no-fly' zone), I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It's pathetic ...

    I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

    Trump’s main problem is that he is a hollow man–he has no core principles that he believes in. How could he have any core principles given that he is a very ignorant man. A fool by any other name in fact.

    This is the man that we had hoped could lead us out of our Zionist imposed wilderness.

    The only thing that can turn the nation around is a serious economic depression or a significant loss of American life from another misguided military intervention on behalf of Israel. Another disastrous war could be the impetus to drive that major depression that the nation needs to begin some form of correction.

    The Republic is on life support.

    Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

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    If the NY society pages can be believed Trump has always been shunned by the upper class blue stocking gentiles of NY's social circle....they think he is crude and beneath them.....that rejection plus his crudeness left him only Jews to congregated with.....and his crudeness and slimey business practices fit in better with them....iow Trump had no/ has no friends or associates other than NY Jews.
    , @Anon
    Maybe you are in a position to survive a serious depression, but most people aren’t.

    There will just be a bailout for capitalists and welfare for the unemployed. Then there will be another recovery.
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  116. Ivan says:
    @James Forrestal
    The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, "yes." This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it's a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It's also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history...

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah's rule -- how does this compare to the early years of the "Islamic Republic?" Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini's first month in power than in the Shah's 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for "objective news?" For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don't be ridiculous. Here's a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the "human rights" and "corruption" narrative with respect to the Shah's government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened
    "Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah's ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: "We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend." "
    "Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him "a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant." Kennedy denounced him for running "one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind." "

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, "democratic" alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to "free" his people from "oppression?" Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media's unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn't just the international media working as Khomeini's PR agency -- the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn't working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it's oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what's happened to that in the years since the revolution... All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli "periphery concept" less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel's regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another "glorious revolution" back in the hippie days?
    "The Will of the People" May 15, 1973
    "the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia's affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge."

    "Cambodia" September 15, 1975 -- still at it:
    "The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. "
    "The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals."

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

    Thanks for providing some perspective here. Its a relief to read historically informed comment, as people are getting old and the field is left open to the half-educated banshees screaming the loudest. The Shah was the main backer of OPEC, while Saudi Arabia ran as a swing producer, he was not a toady when it came to Iranian interests. One item among many: Iranian carpets used to cost about the value of a good car when the Shah was around. The mullahs destroyed the market by running the value down to peanuts. Even when it came to a craft industry, the mullahs screwed up.

    As for the undead Kissinger, nowhere in recent history has there been such a vainglorious fool, trumpeting his achievements with the help of door stopper sized books, but in the end amounting to nothing more than wind.

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  117. Ivan says:
    @Anon
    "The Israelis seemed to have respected that, in that they have not sought to kill Assad or members of his government."

    They have spent the last few years trying to have him overthrown. They have also repeatedly attacked his government in an attempt to elicit a response.

    "The Iranians have no business in coming up close to the Israelis with their rockets and revolutionary guard elements."

    The Israelis have no business telling the Iranians where they can put their troops in someone else's country. Did the Iranians get to tell the US they couldn't put troops and weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    "Russia does not want to get bogged down in a quagmire, or fight the Israelis."

    The Russians could just give the Syrians and Iranians the S-300. They could also give the Iranians the S-400 if need be.

    You are reading it wrong. The Russians will not give even the S-300 to the Syrians. Russia has a love hate relationship with Israel, but they have no wish to see Israel destroyed. The mullahs have painted themselves as mortal enemies of the Israelis. Why should the Israelis cower in fear?

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  118. Ivan says:
    @Anon
    Neither ignorance or prejudice .

    I was merely illustrating a time ( early 80's) soon after the overthrow of the Shah. Immediately the Ayatollahs began behaving in a more vicious and bloodthirsty manner than the Shah.

    Here is more recent stuff. In Iran converting to Christianity is punishable by the death penalty. Homosexuality is punishable by the death penalty. Iran leads the world in executions ( many carried out as public spectacles , hanging by crane) surpassing even China despite having less than 8% of the population of China.

    This article was written by an iranian
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11410368

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

    The lovely mullahs conducted a campaign of assassinations, that of the moderate opposition as well as monarchists until well into the 90s. Shades of how the Bolsheviks dealt with their opposition in their heyday.

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  119. Levy says:
    @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    These are pro Shah pro Israel portion of the population just ask them.

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  120. Momus says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    "The mendacity of Iran". That makes you sound like someone who is confident of knowing a lot of important and coherent stuff about Iran. (No doubt the words "shill" and "troll" would come easily from some UR commenters, but not me). If you do know and have thought anything worth reading about Iran would you please lay out and explain what you know that justifies condemning Iran particularly for mendacity and comment on the view that, were it not for the remaining dominance of the Ayatollahs and their Revolutionary Guard, Iran would probably be the most modern and Western compatible country in the Middle East? Would you care to describe and comment on the significance of Iran's ethnic mix? Likewise its youthfulness and almost European fertility? (Cp. Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Muslim black Africa etc)

    If you do know anything to justify your strong opinion I would, genuinely, value your further contribution.

    Iran is run by fundamentalist Shiite theocrats and a quasi independent military cabal with the apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire. Their efforts to build nukes, avowed threats to destroy Israel and the US well documented support for terrorism and malign interference in many countries of the region is mendacious.

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    I didn t realise you were using "mendacity" in an unusual sense.

    However you also raise some interesting issues.

    "Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire"? Evidence? Creating ethnically or nationally based empires isn't what one normally expects of theocrats and they don't seem to have made a big deal of the glorious Persian heritage.

    What is the well documented support for terrorism - especially if you don't say the same of the US in Syria, and formerly in Afghanistan and Latin America? Do you count alliance with Hezbollah, the biggest party in the Lebanese Parliament, as support for terrorism? Does Israeli or US opinion of the elected Hamas in Gaza make them the terrorists that makes any Iranian support for them a casus belli?

    And what is the evidence that they are now seeking to build nuclear weapons?

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  121. Momus says:
    @renfro

    Did Trump Scrap the Nuke's Deal to Pay Back His Pro-Israel Campaign Donors?
     
    rotflmao.....of course he did. ..who besides the Jews/Israelis want the US to start a war.
    The Jews and Israel hate the entire world, everyone is their enemy....they are consumed with jealousy of 'the others'.
    Its going to be a long, long war.
    But in the end Israel and the Jews will be destroyed.....so sayth their 3000 year old history....always ends the same way.

    The blod and the hate are strong.

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  122. Momus says:
    @bjondo
    Much ado about nothing.
    Oreobama Synagogue Negro ignored most of HIS DEAL with Rouhani (?).
    Iran much better off without and Trump can offer something actually worth honest piss for both countries.
    Now, Cuba, toss your agreement with O into the ocean or into a fiery pit. Roast a pig.
    You will be much safer and the pig will be tasty, maybe a bit greasy from the neobama deceptions.

    Employment opportunities in the toxic Yiddite landfill must be rare.
    So many monikers sold their souls to spread BS for a shekel or 2.
    My mistake. They have no souls.
    Lies for brain cells. Nothing for souls.
    And
    back to Hell they go.

    Incoherent garbage man.

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    How many shekels to troll, to be a hasbararat mr. one-of-several-unemployed monikers?
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  123. renfro says:
    @lavoisier
    I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

    Trump's main problem is that he is a hollow man--he has no core principles that he believes in. How could he have any core principles given that he is a very ignorant man. A fool by any other name in fact.

    This is the man that we had hoped could lead us out of our Zionist imposed wilderness.

    The only thing that can turn the nation around is a serious economic depression or a significant loss of American life from another misguided military intervention on behalf of Israel. Another disastrous war could be the impetus to drive that major depression that the nation needs to begin some form of correction.

    The Republic is on life support.

    Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

    If the NY society pages can be believed Trump has always been shunned by the upper class blue stocking gentiles of NY’s social circle….they think he is crude and beneath them…..that rejection plus his crudeness left him only Jews to congregated with…..and his crudeness and slimey business practices fit in better with them….iow Trump had no/ has no friends or associates other than NY Jews.

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  124. @James Forrestal

    Perhaps Saudi is behind that lawsuit? Saudi wants people to forget that 19 Saudis were on those planes?
     
    Hey. that's a vicious, unwarranted libel. A canard, even. Only 15 out of 19. So there.

    And please don't mention that 95+% of Muslim terrorist attacks in the West are carried out, not by Iran-supported Shiites, but by radical Sunnis. Salafists/ Wahhabists. And you certainly shouldn't mention who trains the radical Salafist imams, or who funds their madrassas and mosques in Europe and America, or who supports Salafist terrorist groups (besides the US government, I mean). Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be... inconvenient.

    But some of these Salafist terrorists aren't directly backed by Saudi Arabia, of course. For instance, if someone were to look at the Manchester bomber, his family, and their connections to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group -- the Iranian government may have backed them, but that was clearly because they wanted to overthrow Qaddafi, using LIFG as a proxy, and Manchester was just collateral damage, right? I mean, that's what would fit with The Narrative, anyway...

    https://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/manchester-bombing-covert-proxy-wars

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/24/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi-linked-to-libyan-isis-libyan-dawn/

    And definitely don't look into who Fethullah Gulen is, why he has 200+ taxpayer-supported madrassahs/ "charter schools" in he US, or what kind of connection senior CIA official Graham Fuller has to Gulen... and to the Tsarnaevs (Boston bombers). That would be a "conspiracy theory." As is anything that Sibel Edmonds has said, ever, of course. If none of the media outlets that you trust has ever mentioned any of these people, that's because they have your best interests at heart, of course.

    “Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be… inconvenient.”

    Only people that are brain dead can’t “realize that”. I would suggest that our masters know from times immemorial that if you give people “bread and circus” most of them won’t care about those who are being killed far away or even closer to home or at home. Of course most “intellectuals” and ordinary people can explain and justify waco massacre.

    “And definitely don’t look into who Fethullah Gulen…”

    He was a very important CIA asset, but today I presume, he can’t do much.

    I won’t be surprised that his former friend (Erdogan) was also a CIA asset…and that he is still one.
    That will explain lots of “contradictions” in Turkey’s foreign policy.

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    ...if you give people “bread and circus” most of them won’t care about those who are being killed far away or even closer to home or at home.
     
    Especially if you drum a simple narrative into them by sheer force of repetition, and make it clear that this is the "right" way to look at things, and that bringing up aspects of reality ignored or distorted by this narrative is something that is simply not done; that anyone who does that simply must be wrong somehow. Better no to think about it. The sociopolitical hegemony of the narrative is more important than its truth or falsehood.

    He was a very important CIA asset, but today I presume, he can’t do much.
     
    Not in Turkey, anyway. How much damage has been done to the US over the years by CIA assets (and their supporters) being "held in reserve" in America?


    I won’t be surprised that his former friend (Erdogan) was also a CIA asset…and that he is still one.
    That will explain lots of “contradictions” in Turkey’s foreign policy.
     
    Go 15-20 years back, and Gulen and Erdogan were pretty much on the same page -- Islamists who wanted to "reform" the secular state. I assume that Gulen was meant to be a backup Erdogan, but Erdogan's crackdown after the coup attempt has likely eliminated most of his support within the Turkish deep state. Whether the "coup attempt" was real, or just a pretext, is another question. And whether their split is mostly due simply to personal interest/ competition for power, differing visions for the "Islamic state," Erdogan going off the reservation in some way...
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  125. @James Forrestal
    The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, "yes." This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it's a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It's also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history...

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah's rule -- how does this compare to the early years of the "Islamic Republic?" Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini's first month in power than in the Shah's 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for "objective news?" For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don't be ridiculous. Here's a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the "human rights" and "corruption" narrative with respect to the Shah's government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened
    "Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah's ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: "We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend." "
    "Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him "a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant." Kennedy denounced him for running "one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind." "

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, "democratic" alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to "free" his people from "oppression?" Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media's unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn't just the international media working as Khomeini's PR agency -- the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn't working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it's oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what's happened to that in the years since the revolution... All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli "periphery concept" less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel's regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another "glorious revolution" back in the hippie days?
    "The Will of the People" May 15, 1973
    "the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia's affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge."

    "Cambodia" September 15, 1975 -- still at it:
    "The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. "
    "The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals."

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

    Of course you’re right. But you’re writing about “prehistory” and against the official narrative of even the so called Alt-Media. So, you need to be patient and repeat it several times.
    Maybe some readers that are not brain dead will get it.

    Most people ignore that the main enemy of the chosen people and its colonies (The USA, Europe and Russia) is a secular country in the Middle-East.

    Iran under Shah was a secular country, thefore it had to be destroyed and replaced by people who believed that all the answsers can be found in a book given by God to a merchant several centuries ago.

    Iraq was a secular country. Science was taken seriously and women treated as they should be and not according to the sacred book. Iraq, of course, had to be destroyed.

    Iran under the Shah, would of course, got the bomb. That meant of course that the monopoly of the bomb of the “only democracy” and terrorist state in the ME wouldn’t exist today…and maybe more people would be alive today and we would have less terrorism in the world.

    Of course, one of the first decision of those who were put in power when CIA overthrew the Shah, was to stop the project of getting the bomb because it’s “un-Islamic”.

    Pakistan, of course, has got the bomb. When was the last time the terrorist state threaten to bomb Pakistan ? The last time the terrorist state killed the “best and brightest ” of Pakistan ?

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    Most people ignore that the main enemy of the chosen people and its colonies (The USA, Europe and Russia) is a secular country in the Middle-East.
     
    And I somehow failed to explicitly state this....

    Thanks.

    Iran under the Shah, would of course, got the bomb. That meant of course that the monopoly of the bomb of the “only democracy” and terrorist state in the ME wouldn’t exist today…and maybe more people would be alive today and we would have less terrorism in the world.
     
    Yeah, this is kind of a recurring trend, especially since the 80s. And in a broader sense than simply maintaining their regional monopoly on "WMDs." Try to weaken/ divide potential enemies, or reduce them to failed states, judging them by their capabilities, rather than waiting for evidence of intent. Yinon Plan, "A Clean Break," etc.
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  126. RobinG says:
    @Mike P
    I knew about the role of the CIA in overthrowing Mossadegh, but I did not know that they had also overthrown the Shah. The person I was replying to did not seem to be aware of it either.

    Thanks for the link.

    Perloff’s article is indeed riveting, but don’t you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a “Commie/Islamist” regime? Bizarre.

    Do you think the article is based entirely on the book he refers to, “The Last Shah of Iran” by Houchang Nahavandi? Anyway, thanks again for posting. Worth thinking about.

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    I have previously seen another example of apparent collusion of multiple secret services from both sides of the iron curtain. That was the assassination of Uwe Barschel in 1987, carried out by Mossad but apparently with the cooperation or connivance of at least the Swiss, American, and East and West German secret services. E.g. Bob Gates was on the plane that took Barschel to his final destination (Geneva). So this aspect did not surprise me as much when reading about the Shah.

    Maybe both the USSR and the US felt taking out the Shah would be to their advantage, even if for different reasons. To the Russians, sinking Iran into internal turmoil may have opened the way toward their invasion of Afghanistan. Motives for the Americans were quite plausibly laid out. So, overall, I do find the story plausible, but I have not investigated further.
    , @James Forrestal

    Perloff’s article is indeed riveting, but don’t you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a “Commie/Islamist” regime? Bizarre.
     
    If you look just a couple of years down the road, who supported Iraq in the early years of the Iran/ Iraq war? A similar list: the US and other Western countries, Gulf Arab states... plus the USSR and other Soviet Bloc countries. This scenario seems kind of lacking in face validity as well -- but it happened.
    , @Zumbuddi
    What is your version of removal of Reza Pahlavi in 1979 & installation of Khomeini?

    There are elements of truth in the Perloff narrative, and without a doubt CIA, or former CIA operatives were involved. Recall that Papa Bush & a slew of CIA agents had been fired by Carter but retained contacts as well as seething anger. They selected Khomeini -- an Indian, like Nikki Haley.

    Did Khomeini and the regime Bush I put in place Go Rogue on them?
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  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    So why can’t the all powerful Jewish lobby protect The Donald from the evil Mueller? Why does the Jew owned corporate media hate him? It doesn’t add up. Does it?
     
    Take another step back, see the stage the actors stand on? On both sides? It's the same stage.

    Inquisitor Mueller and Trump both serve the same Jewish masters. Was that not obvious by the way he's looking for Russian collusion when the Trump administration is dripping with so much Israeli collusion that the investigation would have concluded in 24 hours had it gone that direction?

    Trump, Mueller and this whole inquisition are just about inciting the already easily led around by the nose masses into a state of further hostility and social division. Trump's persecution is per the script. As is his unreasonable tolerance of Mueller's absurdly and blatantly biased operation. And that of his crooked AG, Sessions. Just the normal divide and conquer paradigm they've been running for the better part of a century now in the US. Trump was the false hope candidate from the beginning, in case those damning family ties were not a large enough red flag. Not saying Hillary would have been better. Just that the duopoly is as alive and well as ever.



    Sooner or later the left will be given back control. Intentionally. So that they can take their next turn shaking the jar of bees that is America.

    Ordo ab chao. That's the unspoken narrative, right? It's seemed quite clear to me for a long time now that whatever plans for tightening their grip on America the Jews/Elites/Synagogue of Satan/insert-identifier-of choice-here have, they involve intentionally provoking civil war at some point. I assume they'll use their already borderline militant groups like BLM, Reconquista, ANTIFA, Nation of Islam, white helmets, UN, foreign armies et al. as proxys to eradicate the demographics they consider undesirable, much like how they use everyone from ISIS to 'moderates' in their sandbox puppet theater. And the media will neglect to cover it or blame it on Rothschild enemy X,Y, or Z, just as they do in the ME.

    The US gov't already took all that time to conduct that massive military drill, Jade Helm, to move a metric ****ton of military equipment around the country, under a complete media blackout. And none of those tanks and MRAPs etc were ever filmed going back the way they came.

    Everything seems to be in place. At least in the US. The powers that be appear to be sort of just further winding up Americans for the big 'snap', like a rubber band, while they finish setting the broader stage in Europe via the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan's demographic replacement outline in conjunction with the displaced hordes conveniently being created by the US and Israel's Oded Yinon Plan expansionist war in the ME.

    Once the West's summary destruction is sufficiently ensured, they'll light the proverbial fuse with the collapse of the US dollar and Western Civilization will basically kink in the middle and crumble onto it's own footprint like the controlled demolition that this whole multi-generational 'New World Order' operation is.

    The West loses it's hegemony, the UN loses it's ability to enforce it's moratoriums on crimes against humanity (not that it really had much pull there to begin with), Israel is free to ethnically cleanse and push as much of the remaining Arab population as it needs to into Europe, to mongrelize Europeans out of existence as per the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, and Israel expands it's borders unimpeded as per the Yinon Plan while the Jews/elites/whathaveyou gain free reign to do as they please in the ruins of the West while their Ministry of Truth dictates reality to the fearful remnants of the new and finalized 'Prole' class.

    As for the only other real player on the board, I can only imagine China's summary destruction is included there somewhere as well. They're already ruled by a totalitarian ideology of Semitic origin, which does not bode well. But I expect it will be by some means of large scale, environmentally friendly, ethnic cleansing, since they've got the most population to trim down to that golden 500 mil number of humans on the planet that the Georgia Guidestones mention in various languages. If you believe that stuff, anyway. Personally I believe the enemy likes to publicly boast about it's plans. Knowing most won't believe it anyway.

    Netanyahu and several
    Israeli cabinet ministers and big officials went to Trumps wedding to Melania so he was pretty tied in with Israel then.

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  128. @Anon
    Neither ignorance or prejudice .

    I was merely illustrating a time ( early 80's) soon after the overthrow of the Shah. Immediately the Ayatollahs began behaving in a more vicious and bloodthirsty manner than the Shah.

    Here is more recent stuff. In Iran converting to Christianity is punishable by the death penalty. Homosexuality is punishable by the death penalty. Iran leads the world in executions ( many carried out as public spectacles , hanging by crane) surpassing even China despite having less than 8% of the population of China.

    This article was written by an iranian
    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11410368

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

    Conceded. But I am inclined to think that Iran has continued modernising on a course from 60 or more years back that has been distinctly different from nearly all Arab and Arabic speaking countries. I haven’t read much about Farsi (Persian?) relations with the other ethnics in Iran or whether they feel as different from the Arabs as I suppose. Americans tinkering with the idea that Iran should be a friend rather than enemy shouldn’t find the barbarity of capital punishment a major barrier to comity. And why should Iran be as up to date as New York in getting to embrace LGBTQIA (phew) when e.g. the Third Rome is not…

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    And why should Iran be as up to date as New York in getting to embrace LGBTQIA (phew) when e.g. the Third Rome is not…
     
    Fun fact: although the current Iranian government is very much opposed to homosexual behavior, in a sometimes-lethal fashion, "transgenderism" is another story.

    In 1963, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrote a book in which he stated that there is no religious restriction on corrective surgery for "transgender" individuals. After 1979, his fatwa formed the basis for a national policy. As of 2005, Iran permitted (and partly financed) seven times as many gender reassignment operations as the entire European Union.

    Comrade Khomeini, Leader of Progressive IndeterminateGenderkind! Who knew?

    Or perhaps much of muh "social progress" is an illusion/ distraction, and we should consider the unlikely possibility that foreigners are actually different from us? Naw, that would clearly be heresy. Not allowed.
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  129. JohnnyRVF says:
    @anonymous
    No Muslim should trust traitor Putin and racist Russia.

    Russia is in Syria to KILL MUSLIMS and to collect all the cards to benefit itself and the criminal west. In this regard, Putin is trying to push Iranians out and partition Syria according to Oded Yinon. That's why gave a green light to Turkey to come in so the dog of imperialism and zionism gives him another card to play against interest of Syria and for the INTEREST OF ISRAEL.


    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-real-reason-putin-supports-assad/

    No one should forget that Russia and China voted for ALL SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. Two days on BBC a British official said Russia is happy with the US decision on Iran deal, although liar Lavruv pretends Russia disagrees. Russia wants to control all the pipeline, thus, to deny Iran of improving economic situation and, like the criminal west, to keep Iran dependent and POOR.
    This history of Russia in Iran is dark and almost all Iranians DO NOT TRUST RUSSIA. It is very stupid of illiterate zionist traitor at the WH to sell American interests to few zionist billionaires to impliment their orders to squeeze Iranian people so Israel can continue its own expansionist policy according to Oded Yinon. This traitor is following the order to help his own business and his party to stay in power by selling the country and AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    If the zionist liar who claims 'America first' really is honest, then he can improve relations with Iran brings BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to help Americans where many have no health insurance, a HUMAN RIGHT, home and cut the influence of the zionist billionaires on FOREIGN POLICY with contribution of ONLY $35 millions out of CASINO AND WHORE HOUSES profit that made off of American people, to buy illiterate swindler to attack a country that can give Americans thousands of jobs.

    Who is really dumb here?

    Russia, did not deliver S-300 to Iran for YEARS although Iran had paid in full where Iran had to take Russia to court, because the baby killer Natanyhau ordered Putin NOT to do. Putin would have not delivered S-300 anyway, unless the West accept Russia as a petty colony. The same with nuclear plant, where racist Russia and traitor Putin postponed the program for over 22 years.


    [The startup of the plant, at Bushier, in southern Iran, has been plagued by delays since Russia took over work on the facility in the mid-1990s, with Russian officials often appearing to use the project as leverage in negotiations with Iran’s leaders.]


    The zionist stooge, Putin, has not given S-300 to Syria to defend itself against repeated aggression and military attack and NEVER will. Putin did the same thing to Iran, on Netanyahu's order and Putin, the zionist traitor, accepted.

    Russia is an enemy of Muslims and its dark history shows it very well. All Arabs know this fact, so Iranians, Afghans, Tajiks, Turks, Georgiana, Armenians and many other groups.

    Israel bombed Syria again and spread the lies that was attack first. This treason was discussed with traitor Putin two days earlier at his inauguration. THIS IS TREASON.

    Eruopeans are slave of the Evil Empire. Shame on them all.



    https://cdn.mashreghnews.ir/d/2018/05/11/4/2246220.jpg

    I wouldn’t believe the BBC if they told me the Earth orbits the sun. I would go and check with other sources. Putin is not the saviour of the middle east, he is reacting to the long term Clinton era game plan of the U.S.A. which is to destabilise the whole Arab world at the behest of Israel. If Syria goes down, Russia will be severly inconvenienced quite apart from Putin’s longer term stratergy for a multi Polar world which doesn’t allow for U.S. hegemony to dominate Russia, China or anyone else. All countries persue their own interests, some of them think it’s their God given right to pee on everybody else. Putin is no traitor, Putrin is engaging a very longterm strategic plan which means getting to know the players to an almost intimate level.

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  130. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    That a country gets the leaders it deserves is obviously both woolly and dangerous if you give it a moment's thought. Dangerous because it seems to justify the harm done to the population of a country whose leaders behave as enemies to us. (At least the Krauts got it good and hard for that 36 [33?]per cent vote for the Nazis that gave Adolf to them and all of us).

    May I suggest, with a tinge of perhaps naive optimism, that the important characteristic about DT may be his opportunism. As long as America doesn't actually get into a war with Iran can't we see Trumpists declaring victory and moving on? Obviously it doesn't mean Trump has any clear idea how he's going to pull it off but we can surely be confident that he is confident that he can, and also, that he doesn't want to lead America into another ME war unless - which he will accept reluctantly he cannot - he can finish it successfully with bombs and rockets. (Of course that leaves scope for a few nominal attacks with only a few thousand Iranian deaths before some deal is done to get him past the next election).

    Hitler was never elected to anything. Hindenburg was elected president and a year later, after great pressure was applied appointed Hitler chancellor

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  131. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier
    I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But an overweening zionism was always the worst thing about Trump; he just loves those Jews to death, even though they mock and despise him. It’s pathetic …

    Trump's main problem is that he is a hollow man--he has no core principles that he believes in. How could he have any core principles given that he is a very ignorant man. A fool by any other name in fact.

    This is the man that we had hoped could lead us out of our Zionist imposed wilderness.

    The only thing that can turn the nation around is a serious economic depression or a significant loss of American life from another misguided military intervention on behalf of Israel. Another disastrous war could be the impetus to drive that major depression that the nation needs to begin some form of correction.

    The Republic is on life support.

    Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

    Maybe you are in a position to survive a serious depression, but most people aren’t.

    There will just be a bailout for capitalists and welfare for the unemployed. Then there will be another recovery.

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  132. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Did Trump Scrap the Nuke's Deal to Pay Back His Pro-Israel Campaign Donors?
     
    rotflmao.....of course he did. ..who besides the Jews/Israelis want the US to start a war.
    The Jews and Israel hate the entire world, everyone is their enemy....they are consumed with jealousy of 'the others'.
    Its going to be a long, long war.
    But in the end Israel and the Jews will be destroyed.....so sayth their 3000 year old history....always ends the same way.

    They haven’t been destroyed at all. They have had their ups and downs but I doubt they will ever be destroyed.

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  133. @Ivan
    Well I don't look on the Revolutionary Guards as the saviour of the world. If they have any talent bring peace they should apply it closer home. Why should the Israelis stand still when they have the advantage? They should rub the mullahs' faces in the mud. The Israelis were not always rabid Likudniks. When Mr Rabin died in 1995, the Iranians through their proxies in Lebanon made sure that the dovish Peres government was unable to make any kind of peace settlement stick, through their attacks from across Lebanon and their support for Hamas. The Iranians are a long way from home, they are totally exposed to Israeli fire, the Israelis would be fools not to hammer them hard as payback for all that they did to undermine any prospect for peace during the 90s. And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.

    It’s well known. When you don’t know how to answer, you change subject.

    I thought you were defending Putin’s policy in Syria.

    I guess you agree that he’s probably (one can never be sure) following the policy of his master – the warmonger and criminal, that happen also to be his friend – The King of Israel.

    Just 1995 ? Well, the Iranians, as all other peoples , from immemorial times, hate the chosen people and have always been trying to kill them.
    Everyone knows that the chosen people are always the victim. They are always innocent and trying to defend themselves.

    Those who are trying to be decent human beings, know that in the ME, today, there is a terrorist state that kills innocent people because they don’t belong to the master race.

    Those who are not brain dead yet, those who are not “intellectuals” (experts in justification), know that those making the killings, stealing land and resources are not the Iranians or the Syrians.

    Iranians and the Syrians are the victims of international terrorism.

    Saudi Arabia, is of course also an important member of that international alliance of the democratic terrorist states trying to bring “democracy, peace and jusrice” to the ME.

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  134. Avery says:
    @Ivan
    Well I don't look on the Revolutionary Guards as the saviour of the world. If they have any talent bring peace they should apply it closer home. Why should the Israelis stand still when they have the advantage? They should rub the mullahs' faces in the mud. The Israelis were not always rabid Likudniks. When Mr Rabin died in 1995, the Iranians through their proxies in Lebanon made sure that the dovish Peres government was unable to make any kind of peace settlement stick, through their attacks from across Lebanon and their support for Hamas. The Iranians are a long way from home, they are totally exposed to Israeli fire, the Israelis would be fools not to hammer them hard as payback for all that they did to undermine any prospect for peace during the 90s. And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.

    {And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.
    CIA then proceeded to create and train SAVAK which terrorized and tortured Iranians for decades.
    Mullah were a result of US & UK meddling in the internal affairs of Iran.
    Mullah were a response to Shah: none of it would have happened without Anglo-American interference.

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for goading and encouraging Saddam to invade Iran.
    US and UK helped Saddam during the war with satellite and other intelligence.
    And it is no secret that US and UK had previously supplied Saddam with chemical weapons which Saddam used against Iranians.
    Iranians lost about 1 million people during the 8 year war.

    { The Iranians are a long way from home,….}

    No S____ Sherlock: {….owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    What were Americans and Brits doing in Iraq, next door to Iran, 1,000 of miles from US and UK?

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    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.
    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.

    Anglos get their jollies out of starving other people's children

    In WWI British caused famine in Iran that killed 40% of Iran's population.
    In WWII Iran was once again neutral nut once again the plundered playgrou d for Allies.
    Jews like Richard Goldberg are gloating over repeating starvation and evonomic destabilization at which Jews have become expert.
    Who learned from whom?
    , @James Forrestal

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.
     
    The last Shah was installed in 1941, not 1953. By the Brits and the Soviets, after the previous Shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. You know that, right? Sure, the CIA backed the Shah against Mossadegh, but that doesn't magically eradicate previous history.
    , @Hrw-500
    Speaking of Mosaddegh, I spotted these links who give us an other point of view. http://www.iran-resist.org/article5561.html The 2nd link in French got some weird theories. http://www.iran-resist.org/article6270.html

    Vlogger Rageaholic posted a vlog on May 13 about Iran.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5NpdicHgDQ
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  135. @Ivan
    Read them yourself you idiot. I know these matters like the back of my hand.

    Are you sure that it’s not the palm of your hand that you are so familiar with?

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  136. Zumbuddi says:
    @Rurik

    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.
     
    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[25][26]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
     
    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK

    Quote “Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.” End quote

    Not quite, Rurik.

    George H W Bush selected Khomeini and maneuvered him into power.

    GHWB, Pissed at Carter for removing him from CIA chiefdom – fiefdom, retained his contacts. And knew, before Carter, that Shah was dying. GHWB foresaw the succession situation & planned for it. He selected a charismatic Muslim on the concept that such a leader could/would control a dynamic population that might otherwise embrace Communists.

    (Removing the Shah STRUCTURE worked against Israeli interests in “exisential” ways- maybe more dramatic than Iraq war. Did GHWB go rogue from Jewish demands? I haven’t fully figured out the intrigues between GHWB, Jews/Israel, Reagan, etc.)

    That’s not the whole, compete entire story but it most definitely is o e huge piece of the puzzle that must be considered in order to see the whole picture.

    With respect,
    Yr obedientt Servant
    Etc

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    Hey Zumbuddi,

    in order to see the whole picture.

     

    please see my reply to Forrestal vis-a-vis Iran, the Shah, and what I call the 'Fiend' = zio-bankster-MIC treachery and horrors writ large in the 20th, and now 21st centuries.

    If the Islamic Republic of Iran', under the mullahs, is in anyway the handiwork of GHWB, then that would be intriguing, to say the least.


    Peace.
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  137. Zumbuddi says:
    @Rurik

    Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.
     
    nice, succinct analysis

    well done

    The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[25][26]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

    it is also reported to have tortured to death a Shia cleric, Ayatollah Muhammad Reza Sa'idi, in 1970.[17] According to Iranian political historian Ervand Abrahamian, after this attack SAVAK interrogators were sent abroad for "scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from 'brute force.' Brute force was supplemented with the bastinado; sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams while amplifying them for the victim. This latter contraption was dubbed the Apollo—an allusion to the American space capsules. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[18] Despite the new 'scientific' methods, the torture of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet. The "primary goal" of those using the bastinados "was to locate arms caches, safe houses and accomplices ..." [19]
     
    http://covert-history.wikia.com/wiki/SAVAK

    My bad.

    Should have read Forestsl comment carefully before spouting off.

    The short story is there is no Short Story version of Iran.

    BUT this is my own Short Prayer for Iran and the Iranian people:

    Hands Off Iran.

    Leave them Be, to resolve their own society & preserve Persian culture.

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    resolve their own society & preserve Persian culture.
     
    Attacking Persian culture would be Obama's purpose for THE DEAL. Same with Cuba.

    If you can't attack infrastructure, attack the culture with the degraded American culture which appeals to the young.
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  138. Anon[675] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "For something that is iron “Law” for you, via the pathetic UN."

    For being so pathetic, the Empire sure wastes a lot of time and effort with it (hint: it's actually pretty important). And the countries represented in that deal were some of the most senior UN members; it was negotiated through the security council.

    "Donald Trump sure had an easy time nullifying it."

    Because he's an idiot. We never expected to have a president this dumb, corrupt, and subservient to Israel.

    "If Obama had run his Iran deal through the US Senate (he did not have the votes) before signing onto this UN agreement,"

    It wouldn't have passed due to all the low IQ hayseed Israel worshipers we have. Iran would still be enriching uranium if he'd submitted it to them. The fact that he didn't, and we got a great deal that worked is proof that it was the right thing to do.

    "then Trump would have had a more difficult time nullifying this Obama-Kerry dirty deal with Mullahs/ It would have taken a Senate vote to rescind it."

    Basically, you're blaming other people for Trump being an idiot. We shouldn't need the senate to make sure he behaves himself.

    I read somehere that Dresden was destroyed in fulfillment of an agreement between FDR and Stalin to ensure Soviet Russia participation in UN.
    “Worth the price.”
    h/t M Albright

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  139. Zumbuddi says:
    @Avery
    {And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.
    CIA then proceeded to create and train SAVAK which terrorized and tortured Iranians for decades.
    Mullah were a result of US & UK meddling in the internal affairs of Iran.
    Mullah were a response to Shah: none of it would have happened without Anglo-American interference.

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for goading and encouraging Saddam to invade Iran.
    US and UK helped Saddam during the war with satellite and other intelligence.
    And it is no secret that US and UK had previously supplied Saddam with chemical weapons which Saddam used against Iranians.
    Iranians lost about 1 million people during the 8 year war.


    { The Iranians are a long way from home,....}


    No S____ Sherlock: {....owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    What were Americans and Brits doing in Iraq, next door to Iran, 1,000 of miles from US and UK?

    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.
    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.

    Anglos get their jollies out of starving other people’s children

    In WWI British caused famine in Iran that killed 40% of Iran’s population.
    In WWII Iran was once again neutral nut once again the plundered playgrou d for Allies.
    Jews like Richard Goldberg are gloating over repeating starvation and evonomic destabilization at which Jews have become expert.
    Who learned from whom?

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    Well I would say history suggests everyone learned from the Persian Empire. It subsidized Sparta to destroy Athenian power, then Britain subsided Prussia to deter France, and now America subsidizes Israel to destroy Iranian expansionism.
    , @jacques sheete

    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.

    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.
     
    I had exactly the same thought. Nearly every scribbler that deals with Iran seems to think its history began in 1953 and that just ain't so. It's been a victim of foreign designs for over a century in modern times, and deserves,a t a minimum, some sympathy for it.
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  140. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    Why do you suppose Israel expelling the West Bank Arabs will result in influential liberal American Jews opposing immigration to the US? Several Palestinians were recently shot by the IDF during some protests near the Israeli border. Does this mean influential liberal American Jews will now start supporting the US Army shooting at the migrant caravan now headed toward the US-Mexican border?

    Influential liberal American Jews would be cut off from the source of their power if they could not play the Israel card, for example

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/25/news-opinion/united-states/travel-ban-case-jewish-justice-poses-hypothetical-anti-semitic-president

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Justice Elana Kagan asked the lawyer defending the president’s travel ban to imagine the same ban if it applied to Israelis.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.

    Israel cannot survive as a Jewish state without expelling the majority of West Bank Arabs. It is not necessary make influential liberal American Jews support anything, just muting them will be quite sufficient. Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble and so Israel is preparing for the major war that is necessary to neutralise the Iranians and if possible the main threat, which is the Arabs in the occupied territories of course. If the US was to attack Iran then Iranian backed militias in the region will destablise Jordan, with the help of Assad who will be returning the favour to the Hashemites who tried to topple his family dictatorship. Chaos in Jordan and a revolt by crazy Arabs in the occupied territories would be the perfect opportunity to throw the Arabs across the river. Israel would face a great deal of criticism and war with Arab countries, but thius would be good. With Israel’s back to the wall, liberal Jews would be muted about Trump because he is Israel’s greatest friend. No influential liberal Jew can kick Israel when it is down without becoming an outcast from the organised community.

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    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.
     
    By a backdoor question, the Jew Kagan is installing in US law, the idea that anti-Semitism is unconstitutional.

    We are screwed 7,000,ooo ways by 7,000,000 Jews.

    There goes free speech.

    Art
    , @Anonymous
    I don't understand this argument. Plenty of liberal American Jews don't talk about Israel and focus primarily on domestic policy. I don't see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does. Moreover, if your premise that liberal American Jews are primarily concerned with Israel is true, then it's just as plausible that they would focus on domestic US policy like immigration to distract from whatever controversial stuff Israel is involved in.
    , @jacques sheete

    Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble...
     
    What makes you think anyone would believe that?
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  141. @Avery
    {And the Americans too owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.
    CIA then proceeded to create and train SAVAK which terrorized and tortured Iranians for decades.
    Mullah were a result of US & UK meddling in the internal affairs of Iran.
    Mullah were a response to Shah: none of it would have happened without Anglo-American interference.

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for goading and encouraging Saddam to invade Iran.
    US and UK helped Saddam during the war with satellite and other intelligence.
    And it is no secret that US and UK had previously supplied Saddam with chemical weapons which Saddam used against Iranians.
    Iranians lost about 1 million people during the 8 year war.


    { The Iranians are a long way from home,....}


    No S____ Sherlock: {....owe the mullahs bigtime for undermining them at every turn in Iraq, killing American soldiers with IEDs supplied to the Shia militias.}

    What were Americans and Brits doing in Iraq, next door to Iran, 1,000 of miles from US and UK?

    And Americans (and UK) owe Iranians for violently overthrowing their democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953 and installing an unelected Shah.

    The last Shah was installed in 1941, not 1953. By the Brits and the Soviets, after the previous Shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. You know that, right? Sure, the CIA backed the Shah against Mossadegh, but that doesn’t magically eradicate previous history.

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  142. @Momus
    Iran is run by fundamentalist Shiite theocrats and a quasi independent military cabal with the apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire. Their efforts to build nukes, avowed threats to destroy Israel and the US well documented support for terrorism and malign interference in many countries of the region is mendacious.

    I didn t realise you were using “mendacity” in an unusual sense.

    However you also raise some interesting issues.

    “Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire”? Evidence? Creating ethnically or nationally based empires isn’t what one normally expects of theocrats and they don’t seem to have made a big deal of the glorious Persian heritage.

    What is the well documented support for terrorism – especially if you don’t say the same of the US in Syria, and formerly in Afghanistan and Latin America? Do you count alliance with Hezbollah, the biggest party in the Lebanese Parliament, as support for terrorism? Does Israeli or US opinion of the elected Hamas in Gaza make them the terrorists that makes any Iranian support for them a casus belli?

    And what is the evidence that they are now seeking to build nuclear weapons?

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    “Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire”? Evidence?
     
    That's either very low effort trolling, or serious confusion. The Shah made a big deal out of "glorious Persian heritage," which makes sense for a secular nationalist. The mullahs? Not so much. Why would they? Islam is emblematic of the Arabization of Persia. Overemphasizing a heritage that long predates Islam, was conquered by it, and often conflicts with its mandates, would be counterproductive.
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  143. Mike P says:
    @RobinG
    Perloff's article is indeed riveting, but don't you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a "Commie/Islamist" regime? Bizarre.

    Do you think the article is based entirely on the book he refers to, "The Last Shah of Iran" by Houchang Nahavandi? Anyway, thanks again for posting. Worth thinking about.

    I have previously seen another example of apparent collusion of multiple secret services from both sides of the iron curtain. That was the assassination of Uwe Barschel in 1987, carried out by Mossad but apparently with the cooperation or connivance of at least the Swiss, American, and East and West German secret services. E.g. Bob Gates was on the plane that took Barschel to his final destination (Geneva). So this aspect did not surprise me as much when reading about the Shah.

    Maybe both the USSR and the US felt taking out the Shah would be to their advantage, even if for different reasons. To the Russians, sinking Iran into internal turmoil may have opened the way toward their invasion of Afghanistan. Motives for the Americans were quite plausibly laid out. So, overall, I do find the story plausible, but I have not investigated further.

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    If I have time, I'll really read this whole thread. Meanwhile, I'm glad to see there's some pushback (anon.204) and argument. It seemed likely to me that Nahavandi had an agenda. In this kind of dispute, I've generally found that everyone is lying to some extent.

    Thanks for the Uwe Barschel link. The case was reopened in 2011, but no further news. You assume the Swiss were involved, but it's just as likely this happened under their noses. Geneva is such a pisshole, crawling with every sort of IC vermin as well as the participants in their human rights industry.

    In 2001, Ayman Zawahiri passed through Geneva on his way to Afghanistan. After the fact, Swiss Intelligence scrambled to get informants. They routinely coerce asylum seekers. If quid pro quo isn't enough, they try blackmail, etc. Refusing to spy is a dangerous option for a stateless person. Wikipedia says Col. el Ghanam has been released, but that's not true. He's been moved to a hospital but is still a prisoner, over 11 years without due process.

    Robert Fisk: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy for the Swiss https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-jailed-in-geneva-the-colonel-who-stood-up-against-mubarak-but-refused-to-spy-for-the-7469072.html
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  144. bjondo says:
    @Momus
    Incoherent garbage man.

    How many shekels to troll, to be a hasbararat mr. one-of-several-unemployed monikers?

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    How many shekels to troll, to be a hasbararat mr. one-of-several-unemployed monikers?
     
    It's amusing that he's probably paid to be mendacious, yet uses the word without having a clue as to its meaning.

    They keep scraping the bottom of the hasbarrel. Funny stuff.
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  145. @James Brown
    Of course you're right. But you're writing about "prehistory" and against the official narrative of even the so called Alt-Media. So, you need to be patient and repeat it several times.
    Maybe some readers that are not brain dead will get it.

    Most people ignore that the main enemy of the chosen people and its colonies (The USA, Europe and Russia) is a secular country in the Middle-East.

    Iran under Shah was a secular country, thefore it had to be destroyed and replaced by people who believed that all the answsers can be found in a book given by God to a merchant several centuries ago.

    Iraq was a secular country. Science was taken seriously and women treated as they should be and not according to the sacred book. Iraq, of course, had to be destroyed.

    Iran under the Shah, would of course, got the bomb. That meant of course that the monopoly of the bomb of the "only democracy" and terrorist state in the ME wouldn't exist today...and maybe more people would be alive today and we would have less terrorism in the world.

    Of course, one of the first decision of those who were put in power when CIA overthrew the Shah, was to stop the project of getting the bomb because it's "un-Islamic".

    Pakistan, of course, has got the bomb. When was the last time the terrorist state threaten to bomb Pakistan ? The last time the terrorist state killed the "best and brightest " of Pakistan ?

    Most people ignore that the main enemy of the chosen people and its colonies (The USA, Europe and Russia) is a secular country in the Middle-East.

    And I somehow failed to explicitly state this….

    Thanks.

    Iran under the Shah, would of course, got the bomb. That meant of course that the monopoly of the bomb of the “only democracy” and terrorist state in the ME wouldn’t exist today…and maybe more people would be alive today and we would have less terrorism in the world.

    Yeah, this is kind of a recurring trend, especially since the 80s. And in a broader sense than simply maintaining their regional monopoly on “WMDs.” Try to weaken/ divide potential enemies, or reduce them to failed states, judging them by their capabilities, rather than waiting for evidence of intent. Yinon Plan, “A Clean Break,” etc.

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  146. @Wizard of Oz
    I didn t realise you were using "mendacity" in an unusual sense.

    However you also raise some interesting issues.

    "Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire"? Evidence? Creating ethnically or nationally based empires isn't what one normally expects of theocrats and they don't seem to have made a big deal of the glorious Persian heritage.

    What is the well documented support for terrorism - especially if you don't say the same of the US in Syria, and formerly in Afghanistan and Latin America? Do you count alliance with Hezbollah, the biggest party in the Lebanese Parliament, as support for terrorism? Does Israeli or US opinion of the elected Hamas in Gaza make them the terrorists that makes any Iranian support for them a casus belli?

    And what is the evidence that they are now seeking to build nuclear weapons?

    “Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire”? Evidence?

    That’s either very low effort trolling, or serious confusion. The Shah made a big deal out of “glorious Persian heritage,” which makes sense for a secular nationalist. The mullahs? Not so much. Why would they? Islam is emblematic of the Arabization of Persia. Overemphasizing a heritage that long predates Islam, was conquered by it, and often conflicts with its mandates, would be counterproductive.

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    That’s either very low effort trolling, or serious confusion.
     
    Probably both with a few other untreatable conditions tossed in for good measure.

    Not even worth responding too.
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  147. @Wizard of Oz
    Conceded. But I am inclined to think that Iran has continued modernising on a course from 60 or more years back that has been distinctly different from nearly all Arab and Arabic speaking countries. I haven't read much about Farsi (Persian?) relations with the other ethnics in Iran or whether they feel as different from the Arabs as I suppose. Americans tinkering with the idea that Iran should be a friend rather than enemy shouldn't find the barbarity of capital punishment a major barrier to comity. And why should Iran be as up to date as New York in getting to embrace LGBTQIA (phew) when e.g. the Third Rome is not...

    And why should Iran be as up to date as New York in getting to embrace LGBTQIA (phew) when e.g. the Third Rome is not…

    Fun fact: although the current Iranian government is very much opposed to homosexual behavior, in a sometimes-lethal fashion, “transgenderism” is another story.

    In 1963, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrote a book in which he stated that there is no religious restriction on corrective surgery for “transgender” individuals. After 1979, his fatwa formed the basis for a national policy. As of 2005, Iran permitted (and partly financed) seven times as many gender reassignment operations as the entire European Union.

    Comrade Khomeini, Leader of Progressive IndeterminateGenderkind! Who knew?

    Or perhaps much of muh “social progress” is an illusion/ distraction, and we should consider the unlikely possibility that foreigners are actually different from us? Naw, that would clearly be heresy. Not allowed.

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  148. @RobinG
    Perloff's article is indeed riveting, but don't you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a "Commie/Islamist" regime? Bizarre.

    Do you think the article is based entirely on the book he refers to, "The Last Shah of Iran" by Houchang Nahavandi? Anyway, thanks again for posting. Worth thinking about.

    Perloff’s article is indeed riveting, but don’t you find some of it strains credulity? Like that France, US, Libya, USSR (which he absentmindedly refers to as Russia at one point), East Germany and others actively cooperated in deposing the Shah to install a “Commie/Islamist” regime? Bizarre.

    If you look just a couple of years down the road, who supported Iraq in the early years of the Iran/ Iraq war? A similar list: the US and other Western countries, Gulf Arab states… plus the USSR and other Soviet Bloc countries. This scenario seems kind of lacking in face validity as well — but it happened.

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  149. Sean says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.
    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.

    Anglos get their jollies out of starving other people's children

    In WWI British caused famine in Iran that killed 40% of Iran's population.
    In WWII Iran was once again neutral nut once again the plundered playgrou d for Allies.
    Jews like Richard Goldberg are gloating over repeating starvation and evonomic destabilization at which Jews have become expert.
    Who learned from whom?

    Well I would say history suggests everyone learned from the Persian Empire. It subsidized Sparta to destroy Athenian power, then Britain subsided Prussia to deter France, and now America subsidizes Israel to destroy Iranian expansionism.

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    If you want to cite history, do it right, not the Hollywood version.

    Cyrus established the Persian Empire on principles of universal rights.

    Darius was the third emperor of Persia, under whose reign the Greek campsign took place.

    According to Benzion Netanyahu, in Origins of the Spanish Inquisition, the Esther story took place by or during the reign of Darius. In other words, Hebrews/Yehud/Jews occupied positions of power in Persian empire at time of "subsidizing Sparta to destroy Athens."

    Which is another way of saying, Jews being Jews.

    As to "Iranian expansionism," once again, that's Hollywood history aka projectionism: it is the Jewish state that is expansionist -- from a base on stolen land -- while Iran defends its territory and sovereignty.

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  150. @James Brown
    "Because if people were to realize that it was our Second Greatest Ally™ in the Middle East behind all of this, that would be… inconvenient."

    Only people that are brain dead can't "realize that". I would suggest that our masters know from times immemorial that if you give people "bread and circus" most of them won't care about those who are being killed far away or even closer to home or at home. Of course most "intellectuals" and ordinary people can explain and justify waco massacre.

    "And definitely don’t look into who Fethullah Gulen..."

    He was a very important CIA asset, but today I presume, he can't do much.

    I won't be surprised that his former friend (Erdogan) was also a CIA asset...and that he is still one.
    That will explain lots of "contradictions" in Turkey's foreign policy.

    …if you give people “bread and circus” most of them won’t care about those who are being killed far away or even closer to home or at home.

    Especially if you drum a simple narrative into them by sheer force of repetition, and make it clear that this is the “right” way to look at things, and that bringing up aspects of reality ignored or distorted by this narrative is something that is simply not done; that anyone who does that simply must be wrong somehow. Better no to think about it. The sociopolitical hegemony of the narrative is more important than its truth or falsehood.

    He was a very important CIA asset, but today I presume, he can’t do much.

    Not in Turkey, anyway. How much damage has been done to the US over the years by CIA assets (and their supporters) being “held in reserve” in America?

    I won’t be surprised that his former friend (Erdogan) was also a CIA asset…and that he is still one.
    That will explain lots of “contradictions” in Turkey’s foreign policy.

    Go 15-20 years back, and Gulen and Erdogan were pretty much on the same page — Islamists who wanted to “reform” the secular state. I assume that Gulen was meant to be a backup Erdogan, but Erdogan’s crackdown after the coup attempt has likely eliminated most of his support within the Turkish deep state. Whether the “coup attempt” was real, or just a pretext, is another question. And whether their split is mostly due simply to personal interest/ competition for power, differing visions for the “Islamic state,” Erdogan going off the reservation in some way…

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  151. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    The answer to the question posed by the headline is, of course, "yes." This piece starts off strong, but then wanders off-track into unhinged Shah-hatred and America-hatred. Not only is this likely to be rhetorically ineffective in addressing a largely-American audience, but it's a typically-leftist oversimplification and distortion of 20th century Iranian history.

    The officially-mandated comic book characters are all there: Shah as purely a CIA/ Western stooge and embodiment of evil, SAVAK as his demons, Mossadegh the nationalist martyr, and Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority.

    It's also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history...

    When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah's rule -- how does this compare to the early years of the "Islamic Republic?" Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini's first month in power than in the Shah's 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.

    Did they promote this narrative solely because of their concern for "objective news?" For truth, justice, and the American Way? Don't be ridiculous. Here's a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the "human rights" and "corruption" narrative with respect to the Shah's government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4690-iran-and-the-shah-what-really-happened
    "Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah's ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: "We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend." "
    "Suddenly, the Shah noted, the U.S. media found him "a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant." Kennedy denounced him for running "one of the most violent regimes in the history of mankind." "

    When did the legacy media start promoting Khomeini as a peaceful, moral, "democratic" alternative, and potential savior for Iran, who was simply trying to "free" his people from "oppression?" Who was responsible for moving him to Paris, and why? Do you really think this sort of thing happens simply because of the media's unflagging quest for objective truth, and their selfless desire to make the world a better place? Are you that naive? Of course, it wasn't just the international media working as Khomeini's PR agency -- the Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and BBC broadcasts targeting Iran promoted him heavily.

    You might also want to look up the true story of the Rex Cinema fire (vs. how it was portrayed in the media at the time). Hossein Takbalizadeh wasn't working for SAVAK, you know. He was on the other side.

    Who invited the Shah to New York, giving Mexico the opportunity to retract their permission for him to live there, and providing the excuse for the hostage crisis? David Rockefeller, head of the CFR.

    So why did the US turn against the Shah? Well, in that region of the world, it's oil, Israel, or both. Though the Shah was opposed to the opium trade as well, and look what's happened to that in the years since the revolution... All of the same leftists who whine about the US and the British backing the 1953 coup, to stop Mossadegh from nationalizing the oil industry, somehow never notice that in 1974, Iran at last took over the management of the entire oil industry, including the refineries at Abadan. Israel was a potential factor as well, of course. The Shah, while maintaining an overall neutral posture toward Israel, did provide some critical supplies to Egypt during the 1973 war. Previous to that, under the Nasser government, Iran and Egypt had been enemies. Iran and Iraq also came to terms under the Algiers Accord in 1975, making the Israeli "periphery concept" less relevant to their relationship with Iran. What happened after the revolution? A powerful potential threat to Israel was greatly weakened, and soon became involved in a war with one of Israel's regional enemies, further weakening them both.

    Citing the Harvard Crimson in support of the leftist version of 1970s history is especially comical, btw. What did the Crimson have to say about another "glorious revolution" back in the hippie days?
    "The Will of the People" May 15, 1973
    "the U.S. must stop interfering in Cambodia's affairs, which will surely result in well-deserved victory of the revolutionary forces led by Prince Sihanouk and the Khmer Rouge."

    "Cambodia" September 15, 1975 -- still at it:
    "The Crimson has supported the Khmer Rouge in its efforts to form a revolutionary government in that country. "
    "The new government of Cambodia may have to resort to strong measures against a few to gain democratic socialism for all Cambodians. And we support the United Front [Khmer Rouge] in the pursuit of its presently stated goals."

    Your citations from the Crimson claiming that the Shah was the evilest evil ever are merely the flip side of this sort of mindless pro-Communist cant.

    [It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…]

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not
    REZA SHAH. Reza shah was his FATHER and was overthrown by British and soviet cooperation (read Russia) as USUAL, where his fault was his neutrality against Germany, although Reza Shah was installed by British. Reza Shah and Iran was humiliated by both the British and the Soviets, therefore he preferred to be neutral, where is not accepted if you are not strong and a colony. You have to fight for the interest of the Evil Empire. If anyone is familiar with the end of WWI and German final status given by the brutal British and Americans, then would NOT BE SURPRISED IF GERMANY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS VICTIMHOOD.

    [ When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, like Kissinger, using your puppet, Saddam Hussein later killed after US used him against Iran but could not topple Iranian government. Kissinger said: LET’S KILL EACH OTHER and I add, let’s kill each other to sell more weapons to be used against each other to protect our arm industry, then the looser will be removed by our invasion. Now, stupid Arab head of state, don’t learn that Saudi Arabia is NEXT after the west use their wealth and send their sons and fathers to fight for their interests, then they can easily execute them, like Saddam and Qaddafi, using slogan like ‘freedom and democracy’. It may happens during our life time that MBS and his traitor family be assassinated by the same evil empire.

    Also, Saddam/US/Israel, used trained Mossad/CIA MEK , Iranian terrorists organization, supported by criminals such as Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, to invade Iran to overthrow the Government, but could not. Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, Mek, but many of MEK were killed, and many more arrested, later executed.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/john-bolton-cheerleader-for-the-mek/

    [“Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”]

    Houchang Nahavandi was a corrupt and SAVAK man who enriched himself by serving the dictator and puppet of the Evil Empire. The illiterate people must know that the evil empire wanted to bring down Soviet Union, thus a “COLD WAR” established. Iran as a colony with American Bases and the Shah as a servant – had to obey to serve the interest of the master NOT IRANIAN PEOPLE, thus, the Shah would kill every opposition group, where these people were first and most nationalists and wanted the interest of Iran. The United States focused on the ‘communist’ thus, THE LEFT WAS A TARGET, but the Islamic opposition had easier time, although they were also the target. Many Iranian leaders in the government had imprisoned durifng the terror era of the Shah, The Israel and US puppet.
    Imam Khomeini, Suprem leader Khamenei, Bazargan, and many more all served time under the US/Israel puppet, the Shah. The Shah had to follow the ORDERS to SAVE IRANIANS FROM ‘communism’, therefore, many programs including Torture, imprisonment, assassination, rapes conducted by an organization called SAVAK, created and trained by US and Israel. An atmosphere FAR WORST THAN McCarthy era in the United States.

    Israelis were heavily involved in the training of assassins, torturer and traitors. Americans provided the dictator shah with weapons of mass destruction and charged poor Iran billions of dollars for the weapons that Iran didn’t need but was used against the civil population to serve the interest of US and Israel. Iran was sending Iranians to fight in Oman, for the interest of the Evil Empire and its extension Zionist Jews, like Saudi Arabia the puppet, Do you know the history of Iran?

    [Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.]

    Are you that illiterate not knowing that NYT is USG propagandists and Zionist interest protector? The horror situation in Iran was created and maintained by US/Israel hegemony vision and theoreticians such as Brzezinski and Kissinger. Now the Zionist agents are trying to save the criminals.
    The use of ‘Persian empire’ to frighten dummies was FIRST PROMOTED BY the Known Zionist Jew, William Safire at the NYF, where he is in his grave now.

    No Iranians believe the rubbish that is coming from the mouth of the president like ‘freedom’, ‘human rights’, because all these propaganda ARE PART OF THE SOFT POWER of the foreign policy.
    As jack dresser writes:
    [In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and destroyed Iranian democracy to maintain Western control of Iran’s oil industry, then installed Shah Pahlavi and his brutal Savak-enforced police state for a quarter century as a bastion of US power in Central Asia until overthrown by a popular revolution in 1979. Given US stakes in control of the region, holding US embassy hostages seemed sensible at that time to discourage US military intervention, but the Iranian people have been punished by sanctions ever since including billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and a 40% reduction in Iranian oil exports.
    Iran is not an aggressor nation, having invaded no other country for over 200 years. US and Israeli intelligence services – supported by the IAEA – acknowledge that NPT-signatory Iran has no nuclear weapons program, and moreover, would pose no military threat even with nukes. They are neither crazy nor suicidal. In contrast, NPT non-signatory Israel has repeatedly attacked and occupied territories of all its contiguous neighbors throughout its brief 67-year history and is the only nuclear threat in the region with both land- and sea-based missile delivery systems. ]

    It was Brzezinski, Carter’s Advisor, who was trying to win the ‘cold war’ using Islamist against Russia, thus, the CIA arming of Islamist extremists, including Al Qaeda, in fomenting the war in Afghanistan to force them out. Brzezinski said: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

    It is stupid to think that Shah thought Kissinger was his ‘friend’. The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest. The western power, always think, first and most, about their interests. THEY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS, only INTEREST.

    So, the United States ALWAYS keep relations with the opposition groups, although they pretend that are your supporters, and act on time against you. So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah, to bring Islamists to power against Soviet Union, using the discontent In Iran. Khomeini was not dummy. He USED both Iranian CIA agents to come to power with the help of the Iranian people, a popular revolution, who hated the Shah, and then Khomeini executed Qotbzadeh, who tried to stage a coup against Iranian government on CIA behalf, and isolated Ebrahim Yazdi until hid death two years ago.

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    [The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, ..]



    I must clarify these lines. I mean 1 million Iranian people who were killed in the war were Saddam invaded Iran and US, Eruope, Arab reactionary head of states and Russia helped Saddam against the Iranian people. More than 50,000 Iranian soldeirs were burned and killed by chemical weapon provided Iraq by the BRUTAL WEST, including the Americans.

    [In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.The intelligence included imagery and maps about Iranian troop movements, as well as the locations of Iranian logistics facilities and details about Iranian air defenses. The Iraqis used mustard gas and sarin prior to four major offensives in early 1988 that relied on U.S. satellite imagery, maps, and other intelligence. These attacks helped to tilt the war in Iraq’s favor and bring Iran to the negotiating table, and they ensured that the Reagan administration’s long-standing policy of securing an Iraqi victory would succeed. But they were also the last in a series of chemical strikes stretching back several years that the Reagan administration knew about and didn’t disclose.
    “The Iraqis never told us that they intended to use nerve gas. They didn’t have to. We already knew,” he told Foreign Policy.

    According to recently declassified CIA documents and interviews with former intelligence officials like Francona, the U.S. had firm evidence of Iraqi chemical attacks beginning in 1983. At the time, Iran was publicly alleging that illegal chemical attacks were carried out on its forces, and was building a case to present to the United Nations. But it lacked the evidence implicating Iraq, much of which was contained in top secret reports and memoranda sent to the most senior intelligence officials in the U.S. government. The CIA declined to comment for this story.]

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

    Learn YOUR HISTORY and then comment.
    , @Rurik

    [ ..Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

     

    amazing that he wrote that, isn't it?

    "muh ebil SAVAK"

    I remembered how it was, so long ago, that I discovered that the regime of the Shah was anti-Iranian.

    I have a metric that I use, and it serves me very well. So far, it's been infallible for divining the truth about a regime.

    The metric works like this: ~ Is that government aligned with the Fiend?'

    if it is, then it's a demonic government that works against the interests of its people, and for the interests of Israel and global slavery to Rothschild debt.

    So when I read that the Mossad were active in SAVAK, that was all I had to know.

    It works every time. But there are grey areas tho. Like Turkey. Turkey seems to have one foot in the Fiend's camp and one foot out. Poland too. And others.

    Saudi Arabia = rotten and corrupt and aligned with the Fiend

    Jordan = the same

    Egypt = yep

    Iran = no

    Syria = no

    Libya under Gadhafi = no

    ZUS, Perfidious Albion, France, Germany, Belgium = yes

    Hungary = no

    Bolivia = no

    Russia = no

    Japan = interesting (the way the leader of Japan was recently humiliated in Israel, is reason for wondering whether or not Japan is aligned with the Fiend anymore)

    It's a fine metric, and it serves me well.

    , @James Forrestal

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not REZA SHAH bla bla bla
     
    Yeah, somehow lost a word in that one. So? The meaning is clear from the context, and my point remains valid. The last Shah began his rule in 1941, not 1953. He was installed as ruler in 1941 after the previous shah (his father, as you note) was overthrown by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion.

    Or if you are attempting to make a non-trivial point, are you seriously attempting to claim that the last shah's father was deposed in 1941, and that Mohammed Reza Pahlavi did not come to power until 1953? If that is the case, then just who was the ruler of Iran from 1941 to 1953, hmm?


    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.
     
    lol "You're WRONG!!! Because... MUH FEELZ!!!"

    Clearly an irrefutable "argument."
    It really appears that your emotional incontinence is interfering with your feeble attempts at "reasoning" here. Calm down.

    US and his dog Zionists
     
    You've got the causality (and the relationship) reversed here, btw. You know that, right?

    Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION
     
    My terrorist organization? Am I supposed to be its leader? A member? Just curious as to the exact parameters of this particular delusion...

    The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest.
     
    Wait, I thought the Shah was simply an evil stooge of the CIA and muh "Anglo-Zionist Empire?" Now he's actually an independent actor, who has some concern for his own country? Make up your mind here.

    So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah
     
    This is part of my basic point, of course. That the simplistic demonization of the Shah, and the repetition of atrocity propaganda, is simply part of the narrative shift associated with the decision to back Khomeini to overthrow him. The Shah was not a literal devil, or a mere US puppet, just as Khomeini was not an angel who flew down from heaven to save Iran by the force of his sheer moral authority and the "power of the people" or some such nonsense, in the total absence of outside support. It's not hard, really. For those able to conceive of the world in terms beyond the constraints of the current narrative, that is.

    And who establishes and promotes the current narrative? Would any major media outlet disagree with your insistence on the compulsory demonization of the Shah? Who controls the international media again? Surely not dem ebil debils, da "Anglo-Zionists." Wait a minute...
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  152. bjondo says:
    @Zumbuddi
    My bad.

    Should have read Forestsl comment carefully before spouting off.

    The short story is there is no Short Story version of Iran.

    BUT this is my own Short Prayer for Iran and the Iranian people:

    Hands Off Iran.

    Leave them Be, to resolve their own society & preserve Persian culture.

    resolve their own society & preserve Persian culture.

    Attacking Persian culture would be Obama’s purpose for THE DEAL. Same with Cuba.

    If you can’t attack infrastructure, attack the culture with the degraded American culture which appeals to the young.

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  153. Rurik says:
    @James Forrestal
    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated. An excellent job of reinforcing my point. The talmudvision has great power over many, doesn't it?

    The particular method by which you feel compelled to enforce these specific elements of an remarkably simplistic, Manichaean narrative is also illustrative. You (of course) make no effort to dispute that this aspect of The Narrative sprang into being, full-formed, in the late 1970s. And of course, you immediately, reflexively revert to repeating the (hoped-for) shock value of unverifiable anecdotal atrocities. Muh Beach Boy!! Gas Baby!! WMDs!! Muh Bosnian Serb "concentration camps!" We've seen it all before. Kinda getting old by now, doncha think?

    Of course (as is typical of the mindless defenders of legacy media-enforced narratives) you refuse to to engage in even a semblance of quantitative comparisons with either contemporaneous authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world, or with the post-Shah regime.

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini's acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule is particularly illustrative, as is your refusal to engage with the (again, obvious) point that Khomeini rose from obscure exile to returning "savior" with a remarkable amount of Western governmental, media, and deep state support.

    When a ruler loses ZOG's support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he's annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh. Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.

    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated.

    yea, that’s me. Always following the media cartoon versions of history every time.

    lol

    (and your prose Forrestal, is inflated, flatulent and affected ; )

    then more blah, blah, blah, until we get to this gem

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule

    I don’t know if that’s true or not, but since we’re busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation at how many people were killed following a violent revolution against a brutal and oppressive regime, let’s consider how many Germans were killed when the US and its noble allies, overthrew the Nazi regime…

    let that sink in for a few moments, there Forrestal.

    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)

    So your affected moral pretense is patently laughable. Idiotic even.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh.

    nice attempt at pirouetting into a 180. The Shah didn’t fall because he lost ZOG’s support. That’s beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn’t come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.

    So your entire screed here is puerile dissembling. Dishonest, diversion from the truth. Which we get often here at Unz, but then the fun thing is mocking you liars and shills.

    Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.

    yep, that’s me. Always robotically parroting the ((media/establishment)) narrative.

    here’s a clue…

    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn’t so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?

    But it’s a very nuanced question of complicated geo-political exigencies and realpolitik entanglements and too hard for us dunderheads to understand it all, huh?

    well, let me cut through the bullshit, OK?

    what I know.. is that the USA are not the good guys. No. Any nation who did to Germany, and Dresden in particular, at the end of a war, what the ZUSA did to those old men, women and children after the war was over, is not a good guy’.

    The acts of treachery at Yalta are numbing for their betrayal. Stalin’s enslavement of half of Europe was pure evil, and our government was complicit.

    So now that we all know that the ZUSA was a fiend, going back even to the “great” war, where ‘we’ fought on the side of genocidal commies who starved their people to death by the millions, for the crime of being white, Christian, hard working and prosperous.

    So let’s move on to Iran, where the CIA and MI6 toppled a popular, democratically elected leader, because the ZUSA and Perfidious Albion wanted to continue to steal Iran’s oil, and also of course on behalf of the Fiend, who wanted to dominate Iran, just as it dominated all the governments of the West with an imbedded Rothschild central bank. Duh.

    OK, so this is all par for the course. We fought both world wars because of the Jewish supremacist banksters who wanted Palestine, and also to crush Germany, who resisted the Fiend’s attempts there to impose Bolshevik genocide and slavery.

    And now we’ve deposed the popular leader of Iran and imposed a quisling to the Fiend.

    Who uses the Mossad and CIA techniques to terrorize his people into submission to that very same Fiend/Zionism/international banking/contrived wars for the fun and amusement of British pedophiles, Jewish supremacists, and amoral political opportunists (Wilson, Churchill, FDR, et al)

    so this whole Iran deal isn’t so convoluted after all. Rather, it’s a very stark delineation between a people trying to assert their self-determination, vs. a demonic fiend on the world’s stage demanding submission to its terror, theft, torture, and oppression. Exactly like we all see played out every day in Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories.

    Just as we see played out in Libya, where the Fiend has wrought its handiwork.

    Just as we see played out in Syria and Donbas, where the calling card of the Fiend is there for all to bear witness. Death, destabilization, murder, assassinations, torture, terror and horrors writ large.

    That is what the Shah represented. Not some nuanced view of geopolitics that’s just far too convoluted for the average person to grasp! Bullshit. It’s stark and it’s hard to imagine a more glairing example of a people (Iran) who’ve been ravaged and wronged and brutalized by a force in the world that is stone-cold-evil and insatiable – for power. (Zionism ; )

    All we have to do is look at how the Fiend went nuts when it lost control of Iran to the Iranian people (and sadly, the mullahs).

    They used their dog on a leash- Saddam, to wage a war against Iran. A brutal and disastrous war where GHWB and his poodle Rumsfeld offered up all the chemical and other WMD that Saddam could ask for, if only he promised to use them on Persians. (The same people Donald Trump recently claimed to have so much love for). {God help a people and nation when the ZUSA is worried about them and wants to ‘liberate’ them}

    I hope you’ll forgive the Iranian people if the love ZUS presidents have for them is not always requited effusively.

    You’d have to be a complete shithead not to know that the ZUS wants for Iran what it gave to the people of Libya. I mean come on, it was out of ebullient compassion for the people of Libya that we had to send Libya reeling into the stone age and a dystopian hell on earth! To save them! And look at them now, just imagine how they’d be without the caring and loving compassion of the Fiend!

    Just imagine where the people of Syria would be were it not for the depths of compassion that we in the zio-west have for them! Or the people of Yemen for that matter, in service to that other ‘shinning light unto all nations’.

    The ZUS is and has been under the thrall of Rothschild’s ‘monsters from the id’ for over a hundred years. It betrayed Germany and starved her into signing away their nation into slavery to the Fiend, twice in the last century.

    It funded Trotsky and consorted with Lenin and Stalin as those monsters were genociding millions of the best of Russia and Eastern Europe, and terrorizing their people with gulags and pogroms and torture and “Red Terror’. It may have been NKVD goons that were putting bullets into the brain pans of Poles at Katyn, but it was the ZUSA (Zionist, Jewish banksters) who had conceived and nurtured and facilitated the Soviet demon from day one.

    All of the horrors of the second world war can and must be laid at the feet of the ZUSA, who collaborated with that Bolsheviks and allied with them to enslave the planet.

    Exactly like today, as we’re forced to participate in acts of moral enormity that should shudder the spine, for sheer, Biblical levels of evil.

    Millions of innocent people, who have done us no harm, have had their lives destroyed, their relatives slaughtered, and the nations robbed of their futures, as their people are robbed of their very lives.

    All in service to Zionism, the Fiend.

    And it is exactly this same, Satanic Fiend that is threatening Iran once again.

    Not for anything Iran did, mind you. But for simply demanding self-determination and trying to defend itself from the psychotic imperative of the Fiend to impose itself on Iran and brutalise her people and most of all, humiliate Iran as it dominates her utterly.

    Just as the people of the ZUSA and France and the West are humiliated by being forced to be party to all of this mindless, drooling iniquity and malevolent villainy.

    Now, I hope that isn’t too much aping of the comic book, ((official media and establishment)) narrative I’m always parroting.

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    Hate to disagree w you Rurik, but imo you are off base and arguing needlessly w someone who is better viewed as an ally.
    , @FLgeezer
    Absolutely great Rurik. Keep up the good work!
    , @Monty Ahwazi
    Very good argument! But please keep in mind that due to the fact that the Shah was a diehard subservient to the ZUSA and Zisrael, the Iranian people completely went in the opposite direction! By doing so communism had penetrated the society in which many physicians, supposed to be the last to become communist, had believed in communism as a salvation and freedom from the brutal mother fucking Pahlavi dynasty! Well as the saying goes the ground was fertile for a major change and a spark for an eruption! Jimmy Carter had realized this phenomenon when he was in Tehran many months prior to the societal eruption! We believe now that a religious figure head was the best choice for Carter, the Zionists and others to prevent Iran from becoming a Russian ally by becoming a communist country and giving Russia access to the warm waters of the Persian Gulf! Russia was pissed off when the west stole Iraq from them and installed their own stooge, Saddam Hossain, in that country. So the Russians were looking for an opportunity to thumb their nose at the ZUSA by stealing Iran. Well the rest is history!
    As someone said it well, both ZUSA & ZRussia are subservients of the Zionists. Thus the reason for both to screwing every little country on earth because they for the benefit of the Zionists without the dip shits fight it off face to face!
    , @James Forrestal

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule

    I don’t know if that’s true or not...
     

    And more importantly, you don't care. Think about that for a second. A narrative that you're comfortable with, that you support for social/ emotional reasons, is threatened, and you reflexively lash out to defend it. Truth? That's irrelevant, of course.

    ...but since we’re busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation
     
    I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm not trying to "moralize," I'm pointing out the way in which propaganda takes advantage of our moral instincts, and how we fall for it again, and again, and again. You're the one who's so insistent on "Muh Shah was absolutely the evilest evil ever because...." well, when it comes right down to it, because muh TV and muh New York Times told me so. Why they suddenly decided to tell me so in the late 70s, after telling an entirely different story for decades prior to that? That's not a question you're ever gonna ask, is it?

    Which moral crusade is the "right" one is not really the question. "Should we allow our foreign policy to be framed, and sold to us, in terms of simplistic, black and white, easily redefined moral crusades?" is a much better one.

    Fact: any time the media and the political establishment choose to frame a foreign policy issue in black and white moral terms, rather than in terms of rational US national interests, what they are really telling you is "We don't want to tell you the reason why we're doing this." Think about it. These people are totally amoral. Any time they try to sell you something in "moral" terms, it's a scam. Without exception.

    And of course, where they choose to point the spotlight, which "bad guys" they choose to demonize, is entirely another layer. The memory hole, the power to determine what is "important news" and what is not, is one of the sneakiest tools of propaganda.


    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)
     
    Yeah of course. But that's not part of The Narrative, never has been, and never will be, in any of its version. It's simply an truth that is inconvenient to The Narrative.

    The narrative with respect to Iran in the 60s/ early 70s was something like "The Shah is a valuable Western ally, who is modernizing his previously-backward country etc." My point is simply that when you say stuff like this:


    The Shah didn’t fall because he lost ZOG’s support. That’s beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn’t come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.
     
    You are simply repeating the newer version of The Narrative, and failing to recognize it as such. Just look at the overheated, emotionally-based, black and white way that you frame it. Of course it has elements of truth to it. Just as obviously, it has elements of distortion, selective emphasis, and frank lies. That's how the system works.

    Governments are not overthrown by "people power" or similar BS. Sure, it helps to have popular support, but it's not sufficient in and of itself. That fact is not "good" or "bad;" it simply is. If you doubt this, just review the history of the Wars in the Vendee, or the Cristeros in Mexico, or of innumerable peasant uprisings. Khomeini came to power with near-unanimous Western media support, and a huge amount of support from ZOG. Look at the history of State Dept machinations behind the scenes -- not just dealing with Khomeini, but the amount of effort that was put into convincing Iranian military leaders to stay out of it. You may not like this fact, but it's true nonetheless.


    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn’t so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?
     
    No. Tough to judge that, anyway, given the Iran/ Iraq war. My point is that the "Shah = evilest evil ever and CIA stooge" line is simply a part of the current (late 70s on) version of The Narrative, which you are mistaking for a self-evident truth. The related point is that the Shah's downfall, and the Khomeini takeover, were backed, and even orchestrated, by ZOG. This does not mean that Khomeini was merely a ZOG puppet -- just as US backing of the Shah does not mean that he was a mere puppet.

    No one escapes the establishment narrative entirely, but it's important to recognize as many elements of it as you can.

    The rest of your post, while largely true, is entirely irrelevant to my point.

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  154. Rurik says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Quote "Khomeini as the selfless hero who led the Persians to throw off the yoke of imperialist oppression through sheer force of moral authority." End quote

    Not quite, Rurik.

    George H W Bush selected Khomeini and maneuvered him into power.

    GHWB, Pissed at Carter for removing him from CIA chiefdom - fiefdom, retained his contacts. And knew, before Carter, that Shah was dying. GHWB foresaw the succession situation & planned for it. He selected a charismatic Muslim on the concept that such a leader could/would control a dynamic population that might otherwise embrace Communists.

    (Removing the Shah STRUCTURE worked against Israeli interests in "exisential" ways- maybe more dramatic than Iraq war. Did GHWB go rogue from Jewish demands? I haven't fully figured out the intrigues between GHWB, Jews/Israel, Reagan, etc.)

    That's not the whole, compete entire story but it most definitely is o e huge piece of the puzzle that must be considered in order to see the whole picture.

    With respect,
    Yr obedientt Servant
    Etc

    Hey Zumbuddi,

    in order to see the whole picture.

    please see my reply to Forrestal vis-a-vis Iran, the Shah, and what I call the ‘Fiend’ = zio-bankster-MIC treachery and horrors writ large in the 20th, and now 21st centuries.

    If the Islamic Republic of Iran’, under the mullahs, is in anyway the handiwork of GHWB, then that would be intriguing, to say the least.

    Peace.

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  155. Zumbuddi says:
    @Sean
    Well I would say history suggests everyone learned from the Persian Empire. It subsidized Sparta to destroy Athenian power, then Britain subsided Prussia to deter France, and now America subsidizes Israel to destroy Iranian expansionism.

    If you want to cite history, do it right, not the Hollywood version.

    Cyrus established the Persian Empire on principles of universal rights.

    Darius was the third emperor of Persia, under whose reign the Greek campsign took place.

    According to Benzion Netanyahu, in Origins of the Spanish Inquisition, the Esther story took place by or during the reign of Darius. In other words, Hebrews/Yehud/Jews occupied positions of power in Persian empire at time of “subsidizing Sparta to destroy Athens.”

    Which is another way of saying, Jews being Jews.

    As to “Iranian expansionism,” once again, that’s Hollywood history aka projectionism: it is the Jewish state that is expansionist — from a base on stolen land — while Iran defends its territory and sovereignty.

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    Israel killed 19 Iranian in Syria during the recent airstrikes. To be expansionist, steal additional land and establish hegemony is the only effective way to defend one's original territory and sovereignty. Iran does it and Israel does it, but only those who are strong enough can win. Iran isn't, get so they will be smashed. The strongest, be it ever so evil, wins. If you don't understand that I suspect you are the believer in Hollywood endings.
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  156. Zumbuddi says:
    @Rurik

    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated.
     
    yea, that's me. Always following the media cartoon versions of history every time.

    lol

    (and your prose Forrestal, is inflated, flatulent and affected ; )

    then more blah, blah, blah, until we get to this gem

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule
     
    I don't know if that's true or not, but since we're busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation at how many people were killed following a violent revolution against a brutal and oppressive regime, let's consider how many Germans were killed when the US and its noble allies, overthrew the Nazi regime...

    let that sink in for a few moments, there Forrestal.

    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)

    So your affected moral pretense is patently laughable. Idiotic even.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh.
     
    nice attempt at pirouetting into a 180. The Shah didn't fall because he lost ZOG's support. That's beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn't come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.

    So your entire screed here is puerile dissembling. Dishonest, diversion from the truth. Which we get often here at Unz, but then the fun thing is mocking you liars and shills.

    Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.
     
    yep, that's me. Always robotically parroting the ((media/establishment)) narrative.

    here's a clue...

    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn't so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?

    But it's a very nuanced question of complicated geo-political exigencies and realpolitik entanglements and too hard for us dunderheads to understand it all, huh?

    well, let me cut through the bullshit, OK?

    what I know.. is that the USA are not the good guys. No. Any nation who did to Germany, and Dresden in particular, at the end of a war, what the ZUSA did to those old men, women and children after the war was over, is not a good guy'.

    The acts of treachery at Yalta are numbing for their betrayal. Stalin's enslavement of half of Europe was pure evil, and our government was complicit.

    So now that we all know that the ZUSA was a fiend, going back even to the "great" war, where 'we' fought on the side of genocidal commies who starved their people to death by the millions, for the crime of being white, Christian, hard working and prosperous.

    So let's move on to Iran, where the CIA and MI6 toppled a popular, democratically elected leader, because the ZUSA and Perfidious Albion wanted to continue to steal Iran's oil, and also of course on behalf of the Fiend, who wanted to dominate Iran, just as it dominated all the governments of the West with an imbedded Rothschild central bank. Duh.

    OK, so this is all par for the course. We fought both world wars because of the Jewish supremacist banksters who wanted Palestine, and also to crush Germany, who resisted the Fiend's attempts there to impose Bolshevik genocide and slavery.

    And now we've deposed the popular leader of Iran and imposed a quisling to the Fiend.

    Who uses the Mossad and CIA techniques to terrorize his people into submission to that very same Fiend/Zionism/international banking/contrived wars for the fun and amusement of British pedophiles, Jewish supremacists, and amoral political opportunists (Wilson, Churchill, FDR, et al)

    so this whole Iran deal isn't so convoluted after all. Rather, it's a very stark delineation between a people trying to assert their self-determination, vs. a demonic fiend on the world's stage demanding submission to its terror, theft, torture, and oppression. Exactly like we all see played out every day in Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories.

    Just as we see played out in Libya, where the Fiend has wrought its handiwork.

    Just as we see played out in Syria and Donbas, where the calling card of the Fiend is there for all to bear witness. Death, destabilization, murder, assassinations, torture, terror and horrors writ large.

    That is what the Shah represented. Not some nuanced view of geopolitics that's just far too convoluted for the average person to grasp! Bullshit. It's stark and it's hard to imagine a more glairing example of a people (Iran) who've been ravaged and wronged and brutalized by a force in the world that is stone-cold-evil and insatiable - for power. (Zionism ; )

    All we have to do is look at how the Fiend went nuts when it lost control of Iran to the Iranian people (and sadly, the mullahs).

    They used their dog on a leash- Saddam, to wage a war against Iran. A brutal and disastrous war where GHWB and his poodle Rumsfeld offered up all the chemical and other WMD that Saddam could ask for, if only he promised to use them on Persians. (The same people Donald Trump recently claimed to have so much love for). {God help a people and nation when the ZUSA is worried about them and wants to 'liberate' them}

    I hope you'll forgive the Iranian people if the love ZUS presidents have for them is not always requited effusively.

    You'd have to be a complete shithead not to know that the ZUS wants for Iran what it gave to the people of Libya. I mean come on, it was out of ebullient compassion for the people of Libya that we had to send Libya reeling into the stone age and a dystopian hell on earth! To save them! And look at them now, just imagine how they'd be without the caring and loving compassion of the Fiend!

    Just imagine where the people of Syria would be were it not for the depths of compassion that we in the zio-west have for them! Or the people of Yemen for that matter, in service to that other 'shinning light unto all nations'.

    The ZUS is and has been under the thrall of Rothschild's 'monsters from the id' for over a hundred years. It betrayed Germany and starved her into signing away their nation into slavery to the Fiend, twice in the last century.

    It funded Trotsky and consorted with Lenin and Stalin as those monsters were genociding millions of the best of Russia and Eastern Europe, and terrorizing their people with gulags and pogroms and torture and "Red Terror'. It may have been NKVD goons that were putting bullets into the brain pans of Poles at Katyn, but it was the ZUSA (Zionist, Jewish banksters) who had conceived and nurtured and facilitated the Soviet demon from day one.

    All of the horrors of the second world war can and must be laid at the feet of the ZUSA, who collaborated with that Bolsheviks and allied with them to enslave the planet.

    Exactly like today, as we're forced to participate in acts of moral enormity that should shudder the spine, for sheer, Biblical levels of evil.

    Millions of innocent people, who have done us no harm, have had their lives destroyed, their relatives slaughtered, and the nations robbed of their futures, as their people are robbed of their very lives.

    All in service to Zionism, the Fiend.

    And it is exactly this same, Satanic Fiend that is threatening Iran once again.

    Not for anything Iran did, mind you. But for simply demanding self-determination and trying to defend itself from the psychotic imperative of the Fiend to impose itself on Iran and brutalise her people and most of all, humiliate Iran as it dominates her utterly.

    Just as the people of the ZUSA and France and the West are humiliated by being forced to be party to all of this mindless, drooling iniquity and malevolent villainy.

    Now, I hope that isn't too much aping of the comic book, ((official media and establishment)) narrative I'm always parroting.

    Hate to disagree w you Rurik, but imo you are off base and arguing needlessly w someone who is better viewed as an ally.

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    Hate to disagree with you Zumbuddi,

    the Shah was a quisling of the Fiend (Zionism)

    he was buddy, buddy with Israel and the ZUSA

    that's all you have to know, man!

    that's all any of us have to know.

    it's stark and easy to understand. It doesn't require nuance and tomes of minutia to comprehend.

    If a government goes along with the moral atrocities we all see all over the planet, like terror drones, and torture camps and genocide in Palestine = then that government is rotten and evil and malicious to the core.

    Does a government resist the wars and atrocities and global rapine of the Fiend?

    then it's at least not prīmā faciē corrupt. It may be corrupt, but we'd have to dig deeper.

    But, if it's aligned with the forces of evil in the world = unilateral submission to Zionism, serial wars of aggression on innocent nations and other atrocities against human decently and reason, then = it's bad.

    it's not rocket science.
    , @Rurik

    someone who is better viewed as an ally.
     
    more:

    ((they're)) trying right now to wrangle Iran into a war with the ZUSA

    this is going on now, as we speak.

    So this person's agenda, is an attempt to destroy the sympathies that many people in the West have for Iran, knowing about the brutality of the Shah, knowing what SAVAK was up to, and knowing that Iran had every right to overthrow that quisling zio-regime.

    so, what this person is trying to do is resurrect the reputation of the Shah. And by doing so, and cast doubt on the current government in Iran, and by doing so, sow the seeds of war.

    “muh ebil SAVAK”

    IOW SAVAK wasn't so bad. IOW its the current government that is bad. 'They're the ones who killed all those people during and after the violent revolution', blah, blah.

    the stark truth today is that it is the ZUSA that is the glaring war criminal on the world's stage.

    Not Iran.

    Iran is welcomed and invited into Syria by the legitimate government of that nation. The ZUSA is there in violation of all known laws, and all tenets of decency known to mankind.

    Iran is acting in good faith, on behalf of its citizens, on behalf of the citizens of Syria, and on behalf of all people of good will the world over. [thank you Iran, from Rurik to you, for all you have done for the people of Syria, and the region, by standing up to the Fiend]

    Vs. the ZUSA, which is acting like a frothing rabid dog, mass-murdering and threatening and menacing people and whole nations that have done it no harm, but are not sufficiently slavishly servile to Bibi.

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.

    Iran is hands down in the right, fully and honorably in the total, absolute right.

    /

    whereas the ZUSA is not only in the wrong, but Satanically, demonically, and in abject, sniveling obeisance to the Fiend - wrong.

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  157. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    [It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…]

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not
    REZA SHAH. Reza shah was his FATHER and was overthrown by British and soviet cooperation (read Russia) as USUAL, where his fault was his neutrality against Germany, although Reza Shah was installed by British. Reza Shah and Iran was humiliated by both the British and the Soviets, therefore he preferred to be neutral, where is not accepted if you are not strong and a colony. You have to fight for the interest of the Evil Empire. If anyone is familiar with the end of WWI and German final status given by the brutal British and Americans, then would NOT BE SURPRISED IF GERMANY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS VICTIMHOOD.

    [ When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, like Kissinger, using your puppet, Saddam Hussein later killed after US used him against Iran but could not topple Iranian government. Kissinger said: LET’S KILL EACH OTHER and I add, let’s kill each other to sell more weapons to be used against each other to protect our arm industry, then the looser will be removed by our invasion. Now, stupid Arab head of state, don’t learn that Saudi Arabia is NEXT after the west use their wealth and send their sons and fathers to fight for their interests, then they can easily execute them, like Saddam and Qaddafi, using slogan like ‘freedom and democracy’. It may happens during our life time that MBS and his traitor family be assassinated by the same evil empire.

    Also, Saddam/US/Israel, used trained Mossad/CIA MEK , Iranian terrorists organization, supported by criminals such as Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, to invade Iran to overthrow the Government, but could not. Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, Mek, but many of MEK were killed, and many more arrested, later executed.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/john-bolton-cheerleader-for-the-mek/


    [“Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”]

    Houchang Nahavandi was a corrupt and SAVAK man who enriched himself by serving the dictator and puppet of the Evil Empire. The illiterate people must know that the evil empire wanted to bring down Soviet Union, thus a “COLD WAR” established. Iran as a colony with American Bases and the Shah as a servant - had to obey to serve the interest of the master NOT IRANIAN PEOPLE, thus, the Shah would kill every opposition group, where these people were first and most nationalists and wanted the interest of Iran. The United States focused on the ‘communist’ thus, THE LEFT WAS A TARGET, but the Islamic opposition had easier time, although they were also the target. Many Iranian leaders in the government had imprisoned durifng the terror era of the Shah, The Israel and US puppet.
    Imam Khomeini, Suprem leader Khamenei, Bazargan, and many more all served time under the US/Israel puppet, the Shah. The Shah had to follow the ORDERS to SAVE IRANIANS FROM ‘communism’, therefore, many programs including Torture, imprisonment, assassination, rapes conducted by an organization called SAVAK, created and trained by US and Israel. An atmosphere FAR WORST THAN McCarthy era in the United States.

    Israelis were heavily involved in the training of assassins, torturer and traitors. Americans provided the dictator shah with weapons of mass destruction and charged poor Iran billions of dollars for the weapons that Iran didn’t need but was used against the civil population to serve the interest of US and Israel. Iran was sending Iranians to fight in Oman, for the interest of the Evil Empire and its extension Zionist Jews, like Saudi Arabia the puppet, Do you know the history of Iran?

    [Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.]

    Are you that illiterate not knowing that NYT is USG propagandists and Zionist interest protector? The horror situation in Iran was created and maintained by US/Israel hegemony vision and theoreticians such as Brzezinski and Kissinger. Now the Zionist agents are trying to save the criminals.
    The use of ‘Persian empire’ to frighten dummies was FIRST PROMOTED BY the Known Zionist Jew, William Safire at the NYF, where he is in his grave now.

    No Iranians believe the rubbish that is coming from the mouth of the president like ‘freedom’, ‘human rights’, because all these propaganda ARE PART OF THE SOFT POWER of the foreign policy.
    As jack dresser writes:
    [In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and destroyed Iranian democracy to maintain Western control of Iran’s oil industry, then installed Shah Pahlavi and his brutal Savak-enforced police state for a quarter century as a bastion of US power in Central Asia until overthrown by a popular revolution in 1979. Given US stakes in control of the region, holding US embassy hostages seemed sensible at that time to discourage US military intervention, but the Iranian people have been punished by sanctions ever since including billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and a 40% reduction in Iranian oil exports.
    Iran is not an aggressor nation, having invaded no other country for over 200 years. US and Israeli intelligence services – supported by the IAEA – acknowledge that NPT-signatory Iran has no nuclear weapons program, and moreover, would pose no military threat even with nukes. They are neither crazy nor suicidal. In contrast, NPT non-signatory Israel has repeatedly attacked and occupied territories of all its contiguous neighbors throughout its brief 67-year history and is the only nuclear threat in the region with both land- and sea-based missile delivery systems. ]

    It was Brzezinski, Carter’s Advisor, who was trying to win the ‘cold war’ using Islamist against Russia, thus, the CIA arming of Islamist extremists, including Al Qaeda, in fomenting the war in Afghanistan to force them out. Brzezinski said: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

    It is stupid to think that Shah thought Kissinger was his ‘friend’. The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest. The western power, always think, first and most, about their interests. THEY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS, only INTEREST.

    So, the United States ALWAYS keep relations with the opposition groups, although they pretend that are your supporters, and act on time against you. So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah, to bring Islamists to power against Soviet Union, using the discontent In Iran. Khomeini was not dummy. He USED both Iranian CIA agents to come to power with the help of the Iranian people, a popular revolution, who hated the Shah, and then Khomeini executed Qotbzadeh, who tried to stage a coup against Iranian government on CIA behalf, and isolated Ebrahim Yazdi until hid death two years ago.

    [The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, ..]

    I must clarify these lines. I mean 1 million Iranian people who were killed in the war were Saddam invaded Iran and US, Eruope, Arab reactionary head of states and Russia helped Saddam against the Iranian people. More than 50,000 Iranian soldeirs were burned and killed by chemical weapon provided Iraq by the BRUTAL WEST, including the Americans.

    [In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.The intelligence included imagery and maps about Iranian troop movements, as well as the locations of Iranian logistics facilities and details about Iranian air defenses. The Iraqis used mustard gas and sarin prior to four major offensives in early 1988 that relied on U.S. satellite imagery, maps, and other intelligence. These attacks helped to tilt the war in Iraq’s favor and bring Iran to the negotiating table, and they ensured that the Reagan administration’s long-standing policy of securing an Iraqi victory would succeed. But they were also the last in a series of chemical strikes stretching back several years that the Reagan administration knew about and didn’t disclose.
    “The Iraqis never told us that they intended to use nerve gas. They didn’t have to. We already knew,” he told Foreign Policy.

    According to recently declassified CIA documents and interviews with former intelligence officials like Francona, the U.S. had firm evidence of Iraqi chemical attacks beginning in 1983. At the time, Iran was publicly alleging that illegal chemical attacks were carried out on its forces, and was building a case to present to the United Nations. But it lacked the evidence implicating Iraq, much of which was contained in top secret reports and memoranda sent to the most senior intelligence officials in the U.S. government. The CIA declined to comment for this story.]

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

    Learn YOUR HISTORY and then comment.

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  158. Art says:
    @Sean
    Influential liberal American Jews would be cut off from the source of their power if they could not play the Israel card, for example

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/25/news-opinion/united-states/travel-ban-case-jewish-justice-poses-hypothetical-anti-semitic-president

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Justice Elana Kagan asked the lawyer defending the president’s travel ban to imagine the same ban if it applied to Israelis.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.
     

    Israel cannot survive as a Jewish state without expelling the majority of West Bank Arabs. It is not necessary make influential liberal American Jews support anything, just muting them will be quite sufficient. Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble and so Israel is preparing for the major war that is necessary to neutralise the Iranians and if possible the main threat, which is the Arabs in the occupied territories of course. If the US was to attack Iran then Iranian backed militias in the region will destablise Jordan, with the help of Assad who will be returning the favour to the Hashemites who tried to topple his family dictatorship. Chaos in Jordan and a revolt by crazy Arabs in the occupied territories would be the perfect opportunity to throw the Arabs across the river. Israel would face a great deal of criticism and war with Arab countries, but thius would be good. With Israel's back to the wall, liberal Jews would be muted about Trump because he is Israel's greatest friend. No influential liberal Jew can kick Israel when it is down without becoming an outcast from the organised community.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.

    By a backdoor question, the Jew Kagan is installing in US law, the idea that anti-Semitism is unconstitutional.

    We are screwed 7,000,ooo ways by 7,000,000 Jews.

    There goes free speech.

    Art

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  159. @snag
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck - For me more important is what he promised to us - So far what I see his foreign policy suggest that Israel comes first not us and America. Just another Israel firster and zio-ass kisser, like the rest of them ,...

    Sick !!! ,...

    Yup. We got shlonged by Trumpowitz. MIGA: Make Israel Great Again!

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  160. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    [It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…]

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not
    REZA SHAH. Reza shah was his FATHER and was overthrown by British and soviet cooperation (read Russia) as USUAL, where his fault was his neutrality against Germany, although Reza Shah was installed by British. Reza Shah and Iran was humiliated by both the British and the Soviets, therefore he preferred to be neutral, where is not accepted if you are not strong and a colony. You have to fight for the interest of the Evil Empire. If anyone is familiar with the end of WWI and German final status given by the brutal British and Americans, then would NOT BE SURPRISED IF GERMANY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS VICTIMHOOD.

    [ When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, like Kissinger, using your puppet, Saddam Hussein later killed after US used him against Iran but could not topple Iranian government. Kissinger said: LET’S KILL EACH OTHER and I add, let’s kill each other to sell more weapons to be used against each other to protect our arm industry, then the looser will be removed by our invasion. Now, stupid Arab head of state, don’t learn that Saudi Arabia is NEXT after the west use their wealth and send their sons and fathers to fight for their interests, then they can easily execute them, like Saddam and Qaddafi, using slogan like ‘freedom and democracy’. It may happens during our life time that MBS and his traitor family be assassinated by the same evil empire.

    Also, Saddam/US/Israel, used trained Mossad/CIA MEK , Iranian terrorists organization, supported by criminals such as Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, to invade Iran to overthrow the Government, but could not. Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, Mek, but many of MEK were killed, and many more arrested, later executed.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/john-bolton-cheerleader-for-the-mek/


    [“Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”]

    Houchang Nahavandi was a corrupt and SAVAK man who enriched himself by serving the dictator and puppet of the Evil Empire. The illiterate people must know that the evil empire wanted to bring down Soviet Union, thus a “COLD WAR” established. Iran as a colony with American Bases and the Shah as a servant - had to obey to serve the interest of the master NOT IRANIAN PEOPLE, thus, the Shah would kill every opposition group, where these people were first and most nationalists and wanted the interest of Iran. The United States focused on the ‘communist’ thus, THE LEFT WAS A TARGET, but the Islamic opposition had easier time, although they were also the target. Many Iranian leaders in the government had imprisoned durifng the terror era of the Shah, The Israel and US puppet.
    Imam Khomeini, Suprem leader Khamenei, Bazargan, and many more all served time under the US/Israel puppet, the Shah. The Shah had to follow the ORDERS to SAVE IRANIANS FROM ‘communism’, therefore, many programs including Torture, imprisonment, assassination, rapes conducted by an organization called SAVAK, created and trained by US and Israel. An atmosphere FAR WORST THAN McCarthy era in the United States.

    Israelis were heavily involved in the training of assassins, torturer and traitors. Americans provided the dictator shah with weapons of mass destruction and charged poor Iran billions of dollars for the weapons that Iran didn’t need but was used against the civil population to serve the interest of US and Israel. Iran was sending Iranians to fight in Oman, for the interest of the Evil Empire and its extension Zionist Jews, like Saudi Arabia the puppet, Do you know the history of Iran?

    [Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.]

    Are you that illiterate not knowing that NYT is USG propagandists and Zionist interest protector? The horror situation in Iran was created and maintained by US/Israel hegemony vision and theoreticians such as Brzezinski and Kissinger. Now the Zionist agents are trying to save the criminals.
    The use of ‘Persian empire’ to frighten dummies was FIRST PROMOTED BY the Known Zionist Jew, William Safire at the NYF, where he is in his grave now.

    No Iranians believe the rubbish that is coming from the mouth of the president like ‘freedom’, ‘human rights’, because all these propaganda ARE PART OF THE SOFT POWER of the foreign policy.
    As jack dresser writes:
    [In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and destroyed Iranian democracy to maintain Western control of Iran’s oil industry, then installed Shah Pahlavi and his brutal Savak-enforced police state for a quarter century as a bastion of US power in Central Asia until overthrown by a popular revolution in 1979. Given US stakes in control of the region, holding US embassy hostages seemed sensible at that time to discourage US military intervention, but the Iranian people have been punished by sanctions ever since including billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and a 40% reduction in Iranian oil exports.
    Iran is not an aggressor nation, having invaded no other country for over 200 years. US and Israeli intelligence services – supported by the IAEA – acknowledge that NPT-signatory Iran has no nuclear weapons program, and moreover, would pose no military threat even with nukes. They are neither crazy nor suicidal. In contrast, NPT non-signatory Israel has repeatedly attacked and occupied territories of all its contiguous neighbors throughout its brief 67-year history and is the only nuclear threat in the region with both land- and sea-based missile delivery systems. ]

    It was Brzezinski, Carter’s Advisor, who was trying to win the ‘cold war’ using Islamist against Russia, thus, the CIA arming of Islamist extremists, including Al Qaeda, in fomenting the war in Afghanistan to force them out. Brzezinski said: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

    It is stupid to think that Shah thought Kissinger was his ‘friend’. The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest. The western power, always think, first and most, about their interests. THEY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS, only INTEREST.

    So, the United States ALWAYS keep relations with the opposition groups, although they pretend that are your supporters, and act on time against you. So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah, to bring Islamists to power against Soviet Union, using the discontent In Iran. Khomeini was not dummy. He USED both Iranian CIA agents to come to power with the help of the Iranian people, a popular revolution, who hated the Shah, and then Khomeini executed Qotbzadeh, who tried to stage a coup against Iranian government on CIA behalf, and isolated Ebrahim Yazdi until hid death two years ago.

    [ ..Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    amazing that he wrote that, isn’t it?

    “muh ebil SAVAK”

    I remembered how it was, so long ago, that I discovered that the regime of the Shah was anti-Iranian.

    I have a metric that I use, and it serves me very well. So far, it’s been infallible for divining the truth about a regime.

    The metric works like this: ~ Is that government aligned with the Fiend?’

    if it is, then it’s a demonic government that works against the interests of its people, and for the interests of Israel and global slavery to Rothschild debt.

    So when I read that the Mossad were active in SAVAK, that was all I had to know.

    It works every time. But there are grey areas tho. Like Turkey. Turkey seems to have one foot in the Fiend’s camp and one foot out. Poland too. And others.

    Saudi Arabia = rotten and corrupt and aligned with the Fiend

    Jordan = the same

    Egypt = yep

    Iran = no

    Syria = no

    Libya under Gadhafi = no

    ZUS, Perfidious Albion, France, Germany, Belgium = yes

    Hungary = no

    Bolivia = no

    Russia = no

    Japan = interesting (the way the leader of Japan was recently humiliated in Israel, is reason for wondering whether or not Japan is aligned with the Fiend anymore)

    It’s a fine metric, and it serves me well.

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  161. Sean says:
    @Zumbuddi
    If you want to cite history, do it right, not the Hollywood version.

    Cyrus established the Persian Empire on principles of universal rights.

    Darius was the third emperor of Persia, under whose reign the Greek campsign took place.

    According to Benzion Netanyahu, in Origins of the Spanish Inquisition, the Esther story took place by or during the reign of Darius. In other words, Hebrews/Yehud/Jews occupied positions of power in Persian empire at time of "subsidizing Sparta to destroy Athens."

    Which is another way of saying, Jews being Jews.

    As to "Iranian expansionism," once again, that's Hollywood history aka projectionism: it is the Jewish state that is expansionist -- from a base on stolen land -- while Iran defends its territory and sovereignty.

    Israel killed 19 Iranian in Syria during the recent airstrikes. To be expansionist, steal additional land and establish hegemony is the only effective way to defend one’s original territory and sovereignty. Iran does it and Israel does it, but only those who are strong enough can win. Iran isn’t, get so they will be smashed. The strongest, be it ever so evil, wins. If you don’t understand that I suspect you are the believer in Hollywood endings.

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  162. @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    Unfortunately you’re not accurate about the Iranians living in the LA area! Majority of these people are in fact pro-Shah and escaped the country immediately after the revolution. These people were not Iranian patriots and many of them were as corrupt as the Pahlavi family! In fact Pahlavi family was condoning corruption to cover their own corruption!

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  163. Rurik says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Hate to disagree w you Rurik, but imo you are off base and arguing needlessly w someone who is better viewed as an ally.

    Hate to disagree with you Zumbuddi,

    the Shah was a quisling of the Fiend (Zionism)

    he was buddy, buddy with Israel and the ZUSA

    that’s all you have to know, man!

    that’s all any of us have to know.

    it’s stark and easy to understand. It doesn’t require nuance and tomes of minutia to comprehend.

    If a government goes along with the moral atrocities we all see all over the planet, like terror drones, and torture camps and genocide in Palestine = then that government is rotten and evil and malicious to the core.

    Does a government resist the wars and atrocities and global rapine of the Fiend?

    then it’s at least not prīmā faciē corrupt. It may be corrupt, but we’d have to dig deeper.

    But, if it’s aligned with the forces of evil in the world = unilateral submission to Zionism, serial wars of aggression on innocent nations and other atrocities against human decently and reason, then = it’s bad.

    it’s not rocket science.

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  164. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Badr Sha kir al-Sayya wan an Iraqi poet who had hope for his country, thus, supported Communism and the Soviet Union, but was disillusioned later since he saw by his own eyes what Stalin did to Mossadeq.

    Stalin used his lackeys, the Tudeh party, to assist CIA-MI6 coup against Mosaddeq to help the zionist bankers who had hold of Iranian oils.

    British Empire controlled by the Rotschield famiy. Rotschield family stole Palestine by manipulating the politicians in Britain, France US and Russia.

    The following is the account of al-Sayya when he was in Iran during the coup against Mossadeq in 1953 which is VERY IMPORTANT:

    [Al-Sayya then recounts his flight to Iran, where he is taken in by comrades from
    Tudeh, the Iranian Communist Party. Here, the poet experiences two disappointments
    that compound the regret he feels about the role he played in the Tishr Uprising. The
    first disappointment takes place in the context of the CIA-sponsored coup détat that over- threw the government of Mohammad Mosaddeq in August 1953. He writes about how the first coup attempt was discovered and the Shah fled, in no small part because of the strong showing of popular street demonstrations in favour of Mosaddeq:

    -That afternoon, I joined a boisterous demonstration, with upwards of two
    million people participating. Tudeh directed this demonstration: I participated
    in it and I was overwhelmed by the breathtaking experience of watching a sincere people, and a genuine communist party, having triumphed. And this was a victory for the nationalist movementand communist cause not just in Iran, but for the entire Middle East.

    Al-Sayya then describes how, days later, a second coup attempt is launched. Al-Sayya
    is stunned to find that this time, rather than defending Mosaddeq, the communist party decided to sit on the sidelines and watch. I called the party office in disbelief at their inaction, their decision to spectate Al-Sayya then recounts the argument he has with Tudeh cadres who inform him that they had received orders from the Soviets not to intervene. Al-Sayya responds:
    - But you are Iranians, not Soviets, and it is your job to defend the interests of your people
    the Iranian people and not the Soviet Union! Let the USSR defend itself! Al-Sayya writes that the man laughed and said, As a communist, you know that the first duty of communist parties around the world is to first defend peace. This comes before national interests. It is both necessary and for the best that we sacrifice narrow national interests for peace, and that we protect the peace. For the USSR is the stronghold of peace, and for socialism as well. At this point, al-Sayya asserts, Communists are agents and stooges they are the ones who put the interests of foreign powers over the interests of their own countries and peoples.]

    Neither Russia nor the West can be trusted. They follow ONLY their own interests. Both are in bed with the ZIONIST BANKER who are working hard to establish “World Government’ now known as ‘New World Order’.

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52dc0cc7e4b0e34b862ece81/t/57ae1a05ebbd1aaf598e47ad/1471027721950/Colla-Badr+Shakir+al-Sayyab+Cold+War+Poet.pdf

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  165. FLgeezer says:
    @Rurik

    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated.
     
    yea, that's me. Always following the media cartoon versions of history every time.

    lol

    (and your prose Forrestal, is inflated, flatulent and affected ; )

    then more blah, blah, blah, until we get to this gem

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule
     
    I don't know if that's true or not, but since we're busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation at how many people were killed following a violent revolution against a brutal and oppressive regime, let's consider how many Germans were killed when the US and its noble allies, overthrew the Nazi regime...

    let that sink in for a few moments, there Forrestal.

    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)

    So your affected moral pretense is patently laughable. Idiotic even.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh.
     
    nice attempt at pirouetting into a 180. The Shah didn't fall because he lost ZOG's support. That's beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn't come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.

    So your entire screed here is puerile dissembling. Dishonest, diversion from the truth. Which we get often here at Unz, but then the fun thing is mocking you liars and shills.

    Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.
     
    yep, that's me. Always robotically parroting the ((media/establishment)) narrative.

    here's a clue...

    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn't so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?

    But it's a very nuanced question of complicated geo-political exigencies and realpolitik entanglements and too hard for us dunderheads to understand it all, huh?

    well, let me cut through the bullshit, OK?

    what I know.. is that the USA are not the good guys. No. Any nation who did to Germany, and Dresden in particular, at the end of a war, what the ZUSA did to those old men, women and children after the war was over, is not a good guy'.

    The acts of treachery at Yalta are numbing for their betrayal. Stalin's enslavement of half of Europe was pure evil, and our government was complicit.

    So now that we all know that the ZUSA was a fiend, going back even to the "great" war, where 'we' fought on the side of genocidal commies who starved their people to death by the millions, for the crime of being white, Christian, hard working and prosperous.

    So let's move on to Iran, where the CIA and MI6 toppled a popular, democratically elected leader, because the ZUSA and Perfidious Albion wanted to continue to steal Iran's oil, and also of course on behalf of the Fiend, who wanted to dominate Iran, just as it dominated all the governments of the West with an imbedded Rothschild central bank. Duh.

    OK, so this is all par for the course. We fought both world wars because of the Jewish supremacist banksters who wanted Palestine, and also to crush Germany, who resisted the Fiend's attempts there to impose Bolshevik genocide and slavery.

    And now we've deposed the popular leader of Iran and imposed a quisling to the Fiend.

    Who uses the Mossad and CIA techniques to terrorize his people into submission to that very same Fiend/Zionism/international banking/contrived wars for the fun and amusement of British pedophiles, Jewish supremacists, and amoral political opportunists (Wilson, Churchill, FDR, et al)

    so this whole Iran deal isn't so convoluted after all. Rather, it's a very stark delineation between a people trying to assert their self-determination, vs. a demonic fiend on the world's stage demanding submission to its terror, theft, torture, and oppression. Exactly like we all see played out every day in Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories.

    Just as we see played out in Libya, where the Fiend has wrought its handiwork.

    Just as we see played out in Syria and Donbas, where the calling card of the Fiend is there for all to bear witness. Death, destabilization, murder, assassinations, torture, terror and horrors writ large.

    That is what the Shah represented. Not some nuanced view of geopolitics that's just far too convoluted for the average person to grasp! Bullshit. It's stark and it's hard to imagine a more glairing example of a people (Iran) who've been ravaged and wronged and brutalized by a force in the world that is stone-cold-evil and insatiable - for power. (Zionism ; )

    All we have to do is look at how the Fiend went nuts when it lost control of Iran to the Iranian people (and sadly, the mullahs).

    They used their dog on a leash- Saddam, to wage a war against Iran. A brutal and disastrous war where GHWB and his poodle Rumsfeld offered up all the chemical and other WMD that Saddam could ask for, if only he promised to use them on Persians. (The same people Donald Trump recently claimed to have so much love for). {God help a people and nation when the ZUSA is worried about them and wants to 'liberate' them}

    I hope you'll forgive the Iranian people if the love ZUS presidents have for them is not always requited effusively.

    You'd have to be a complete shithead not to know that the ZUS wants for Iran what it gave to the people of Libya. I mean come on, it was out of ebullient compassion for the people of Libya that we had to send Libya reeling into the stone age and a dystopian hell on earth! To save them! And look at them now, just imagine how they'd be without the caring and loving compassion of the Fiend!

    Just imagine where the people of Syria would be were it not for the depths of compassion that we in the zio-west have for them! Or the people of Yemen for that matter, in service to that other 'shinning light unto all nations'.

    The ZUS is and has been under the thrall of Rothschild's 'monsters from the id' for over a hundred years. It betrayed Germany and starved her into signing away their nation into slavery to the Fiend, twice in the last century.

    It funded Trotsky and consorted with Lenin and Stalin as those monsters were genociding millions of the best of Russia and Eastern Europe, and terrorizing their people with gulags and pogroms and torture and "Red Terror'. It may have been NKVD goons that were putting bullets into the brain pans of Poles at Katyn, but it was the ZUSA (Zionist, Jewish banksters) who had conceived and nurtured and facilitated the Soviet demon from day one.

    All of the horrors of the second world war can and must be laid at the feet of the ZUSA, who collaborated with that Bolsheviks and allied with them to enslave the planet.

    Exactly like today, as we're forced to participate in acts of moral enormity that should shudder the spine, for sheer, Biblical levels of evil.

    Millions of innocent people, who have done us no harm, have had their lives destroyed, their relatives slaughtered, and the nations robbed of their futures, as their people are robbed of their very lives.

    All in service to Zionism, the Fiend.

    And it is exactly this same, Satanic Fiend that is threatening Iran once again.

    Not for anything Iran did, mind you. But for simply demanding self-determination and trying to defend itself from the psychotic imperative of the Fiend to impose itself on Iran and brutalise her people and most of all, humiliate Iran as it dominates her utterly.

    Just as the people of the ZUSA and France and the West are humiliated by being forced to be party to all of this mindless, drooling iniquity and malevolent villainy.

    Now, I hope that isn't too much aping of the comic book, ((official media and establishment)) narrative I'm always parroting.

    Absolutely great Rurik. Keep up the good work!

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  166. Rurik says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Hate to disagree w you Rurik, but imo you are off base and arguing needlessly w someone who is better viewed as an ally.

    someone who is better viewed as an ally.

    more:

    ((they’re)) trying right now to wrangle Iran into a war with the ZUSA

    this is going on now, as we speak.

    So this person’s agenda, is an attempt to destroy the sympathies that many people in the West have for Iran, knowing about the brutality of the Shah, knowing what SAVAK was up to, and knowing that Iran had every right to overthrow that quisling zio-regime.

    so, what this person is trying to do is resurrect the reputation of the Shah. And by doing so, and cast doubt on the current government in Iran, and by doing so, sow the seeds of war.

    “muh ebil SAVAK”

    IOW SAVAK wasn’t so bad. IOW its the current government that is bad. ‘They’re the ones who killed all those people during and after the violent revolution’, blah, blah.

    the stark truth today is that it is the ZUSA that is the glaring war criminal on the world’s stage.

    Not Iran.

    Iran is welcomed and invited into Syria by the legitimate government of that nation. The ZUSA is there in violation of all known laws, and all tenets of decency known to mankind.

    Iran is acting in good faith, on behalf of its citizens, on behalf of the citizens of Syria, and on behalf of all people of good will the world over. [thank you Iran, from Rurik to you, for all you have done for the people of Syria, and the region, by standing up to the Fiend]

    Vs. the ZUSA, which is acting like a frothing rabid dog, mass-murdering and threatening and menacing people and whole nations that have done it no harm, but are not sufficiently slavishly servile to Bibi.

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.

    Iran is hands down in the right, fully and honorably in the total, absolute right.

    /

    whereas the ZUSA is not only in the wrong, but Satanically, demonically, and in abject, sniveling obeisance to the Fiend – wrong.

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    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.
     
    Since our hasbarats are unwilling to utter the truth, I will respond to your heartfelt query on their behalf:

    Dear Mr. Rurik,

    As you know, the early fathers of Zionism called for the setting up shop of the Zionist project in a dangerous neighbourhood, populated by a billion Muslims. If they had not hijacked the FP of The Western lib democracies, there would still be Jews being blown up in disco techs in Tel Aviv and on buses in Jerusalem. If they didn’t get the US to remove Saddam, scud missiles would still be raining down on innocent Israelis. If they hadn’t gotten NATO to remove Qaddafi, he would still be sponsoring “terrorists” to kill innocent Jews in wheelchairs. If we hadn’t gotten the Saudis, Turkey, and the West to wage a proxy war against Syria, we wouldn’t be able to exploit the resources of the Golan that enable our people and economy to prosper.

    Truth be told, it’s a nasty world, Rurik... and it all boils down to this one cold hard fact: unfortunately, it is either us or them. So given this stark reality - i.e., we all live in a Darwinian jungle in which only the strongest survive - we regret that our lobbies have to subvert your democracies to do our bidding... but it is nothing personal. One must do what one must do. Now, if you bleeding hearts were more forthright about this fundamental truth, you wouldn’t berate us as harshly as you do. Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak... and stop believing in fairytales, such as the good is better than the bad? Why don’t you simply grow up and accept the fact that we’re not living in a Disney movie, like Bambi?
     
    , @Mike P
    The Shah was installed by the CIA, but that doesn't mean he was not also removed by the CIA. And even though Khomeini and his comrades turned on the U.S. in the end (or rather, pretty quickly), we can't be sure that they were not installed by them. Prior to this occasion, the U.S. didn't have a lot of experience with religious fundamentalists as tools of revolution, but they are bound to be less predictable and reliable than the usual bunch of mercenaries. And finally, just because SAVAK was bad, we can't assume Khomeini's henchmen were any better. How could they - you don't usually consolidate power after a revolution by immediately granting clemency and amnesty all around.

    This overview of the back story of the revolution is well worth reading. One of its aspects - namely, that the Shah's cancer treatment was botched up on purpose, in order to get rid of him more rapidly - is supported by this article in a medical journal.

    In the real world, there is space for more villains - or, in your nomenclature, "fiends" - than one.

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  167. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Influential liberal American Jews would be cut off from the source of their power if they could not play the Israel card, for example

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/25/news-opinion/united-states/travel-ban-case-jewish-justice-poses-hypothetical-anti-semitic-president

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Justice Elana Kagan asked the lawyer defending the president’s travel ban to imagine the same ban if it applied to Israelis.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.
     

    Israel cannot survive as a Jewish state without expelling the majority of West Bank Arabs. It is not necessary make influential liberal American Jews support anything, just muting them will be quite sufficient. Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble and so Israel is preparing for the major war that is necessary to neutralise the Iranians and if possible the main threat, which is the Arabs in the occupied territories of course. If the US was to attack Iran then Iranian backed militias in the region will destablise Jordan, with the help of Assad who will be returning the favour to the Hashemites who tried to topple his family dictatorship. Chaos in Jordan and a revolt by crazy Arabs in the occupied territories would be the perfect opportunity to throw the Arabs across the river. Israel would face a great deal of criticism and war with Arab countries, but thius would be good. With Israel's back to the wall, liberal Jews would be muted about Trump because he is Israel's greatest friend. No influential liberal Jew can kick Israel when it is down without becoming an outcast from the organised community.

    I don’t understand this argument. Plenty of liberal American Jews don’t talk about Israel and focus primarily on domestic policy. I don’t see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does. Moreover, if your premise that liberal American Jews are primarily concerned with Israel is true, then it’s just as plausible that they would focus on domestic US policy like immigration to distract from whatever controversial stuff Israel is involved in.

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    I don't see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does
     
    They wouldn't, but bereft of the wherewithal of the whole Jewish community the liberal, leftist and anti national libertarian Jews would be a lot less loud in their pro-immigration agitation and op-ed editorializing. Repatriation of undocumented immigrants would become less controversial, if Israel had carried out outright expulsions.

    Take Jesse Helms as an example


    https://www.jta.org/1985/12/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-the-transformation-of-jesse-helms One of the most interesting developments of 1985 in Washington was the transformation of Sen. Jesse Helms (R. N. C.) from someone considered unfriendly to Israel to a strong supporter of the Jewish State. In fact, Helms, like several other conservative Senators and many in the Christian Right, believes Israel should maintain control of the West Bank.
     
    Liberals and especially the liberals Jews loathed and despised Helms for his positions on domestic matters, but the real danger to him came when the organised Jewish community ,which is viscerally pro Israel, identified him as an enemy of Israel. The Jews as id their habit coalesced in a block like like quicksilver when Israel was animadverted, and were mobilized to support the rival candidates for his seat, so he caved in and flipped over on Israel only. Result: the liberal estalishment were ineffective against Helms from that point on, because organised political Jewry had ceaced to regard him as an enemy of Israel and he was free to be as traditional and conservative as he liked on the really important issues.

    In every war very many thousands of innocent human beings including children will be killed, so sending people who travel on Jordanian passports, as the West bank Arabs do, to live in Jordan is hardly a terrible crime in the scheme of things . Of course you can just eschew interference in any other country and wait for the attack but most countries that have survived history do not behave in such a morally pure way. Unless you want to be a beautiful loser nation, waging aggressive war is necessary sometimes.

    There is going to be a major war in the middle east involving Israel soon. Israel (and the Saudis) powers have decided that Iran must be destroyed as This week in an article in the New Statesman someone who knows says Israel has decided a settling of accounts is coming in the shape of a majot war. he alsothinks the saudis want the same thing:-


    The former British ambassador in Riyadh John Jenkins argues that, behind its bluster, Saudi Arabia is a country that feels under grave threat from enemies both inside and out. Jenkins has been encouraged by broadcasters to condemn Saturday's execution of the Saudi cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, but he finds himself . . .

    [. . .] wondering what exactly it is that I and others are being invited to condemn. The fact of an execution, its nature, the Shia identity of the victim, his status as a cleric, that the Saudis still practise capital punishment, the nature of their judicial system, the timing of the act, the suspicion that it might undermine the peace process in Syria or infuriate Iran - or perhaps all of this and more?
     
    Yet condemnation without understanding is futile. It is not enough to say that this is simply the result of the ascendancy of a new set of inexperienced senior princes. The reasons for Saudi - and Iranian - actions are structural.

    Consider the context. Saudi Arabia feels with good reason more threatened than at any time in its modern history, at least since the subversive Kulturkampf of the 1950s and 1960s from Nasser's Egypt. This stems from five sources: first, the challenge of Sunni and largely Salafi jihadism; second, the sustained ideological and material challenge of the Islamic Republic of Iran; third, the collapse of large parts of the Middle East state system following the Arab spring; fourth, a sharp fall in global energy prices; and fifth, a sense that historical alliances - notably but not only with the United States - are fraying. .
     

    The Saudis want Iran smashed, the Israeli do too. The US will pull off a master stroke by obliging everyone-- even the Russians will not be unhappy. Liberal Jews will be muted in protest against US actions to further the interests of the Israel lobby, and denied the support of their wider, allegiant--to-Israel community, liberal Jews will not be so strident against the Western countries that they happily live in, or find themselves driving a taxi.
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  168. Druid says:
    @Anon
    Not to defend the Shah’s regime or anything the CIA ever did, I don’t believe anything published by Harvard University.

    What replaced the Shah is far worse. Under the shah only a few thousand left Iran for the US.

    Now they have taken over big parts of Los Angeles. They are corrupt cheating crooks to the core, no matter what their business is. I wouldn’t call them crooked business men. They are more like criminals using a business as a front for their crimes. They are one of the immigrant groups that have turned S California into the white collar crime capital of the US.

    No sympathy for the anti shah fake refugees, just a lot of crooks looking for prey and a lenient justice system.

    Did you know that a lot of them are Iranian Jews

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    Did you know that a lot of them are Iranian Jews
     
    You're not supposed to mention that. Kinda like looking too closely at the ethnicity of the members of the "Russian" mafia...
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  169. Rurik says:
    @FLgeezer
    Absolutely great Rurik. Keep up the good work!

    thank you

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  170. RobinG says:
    @Mike P
    I have previously seen another example of apparent collusion of multiple secret services from both sides of the iron curtain. That was the assassination of Uwe Barschel in 1987, carried out by Mossad but apparently with the cooperation or connivance of at least the Swiss, American, and East and West German secret services. E.g. Bob Gates was on the plane that took Barschel to his final destination (Geneva). So this aspect did not surprise me as much when reading about the Shah.

    Maybe both the USSR and the US felt taking out the Shah would be to their advantage, even if for different reasons. To the Russians, sinking Iran into internal turmoil may have opened the way toward their invasion of Afghanistan. Motives for the Americans were quite plausibly laid out. So, overall, I do find the story plausible, but I have not investigated further.

    If I have time, I’ll really read this whole thread. Meanwhile, I’m glad to see there’s some pushback (anon.204) and argument. It seemed likely to me that Nahavandi had an agenda. In this kind of dispute, I’ve generally found that everyone is lying to some extent.

    Thanks for the Uwe Barschel link. The case was reopened in 2011, but no further news. You assume the Swiss were involved, but it’s just as likely this happened under their noses. Geneva is such a pisshole, crawling with every sort of IC vermin as well as the participants in their human rights industry.

    In 2001, Ayman Zawahiri passed through Geneva on his way to Afghanistan. After the fact, Swiss Intelligence scrambled to get informants. They routinely coerce asylum seekers. If quid pro quo isn’t enough, they try blackmail, etc. Refusing to spy is a dangerous option for a stateless person. Wikipedia says Col. el Ghanam has been released, but that’s not true. He’s been moved to a hospital but is still a prisoner, over 11 years without due process.

    Robert Fisk: Jailed in Geneva – the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy for the Swiss https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-jailed-in-geneva-the-colonel-who-stood-up-against-mubarak-but-refused-to-spy-for-the-7469072.html

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    Thanks for the story about Ghanem and his incarceration in Switzerland, I had not heard about him.

    Anon 204 states that Houchang Nahavandi was corrupt and a SAVAK man, but doesn't offer any factual arguments to refute his story.

    In the conclusion of the medical journal article I cited in my reply to Rurik, there is this fascinating story, reportedly by one of the Shah's treating surgeons:


    Some years later I was attending a conference in Hamburg, Germany. As my wife and I finished dinner one night, I found our table surrounded by a group of severely dressed men; the identification on their lapels said they were from the Islamic Republic of Iran. They wanted to know whether the Shah really had cancer. I reassured them that he had histiocytic lymphoma. They thanked me for the information. I think I heard one in the group say "he was the only one that could have saved us."
     
    Seems like former SAVAK men now working for the new regime.
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  171. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    someone who is better viewed as an ally.
     
    more:

    ((they're)) trying right now to wrangle Iran into a war with the ZUSA

    this is going on now, as we speak.

    So this person's agenda, is an attempt to destroy the sympathies that many people in the West have for Iran, knowing about the brutality of the Shah, knowing what SAVAK was up to, and knowing that Iran had every right to overthrow that quisling zio-regime.

    so, what this person is trying to do is resurrect the reputation of the Shah. And by doing so, and cast doubt on the current government in Iran, and by doing so, sow the seeds of war.

    “muh ebil SAVAK”

    IOW SAVAK wasn't so bad. IOW its the current government that is bad. 'They're the ones who killed all those people during and after the violent revolution', blah, blah.

    the stark truth today is that it is the ZUSA that is the glaring war criminal on the world's stage.

    Not Iran.

    Iran is welcomed and invited into Syria by the legitimate government of that nation. The ZUSA is there in violation of all known laws, and all tenets of decency known to mankind.

    Iran is acting in good faith, on behalf of its citizens, on behalf of the citizens of Syria, and on behalf of all people of good will the world over. [thank you Iran, from Rurik to you, for all you have done for the people of Syria, and the region, by standing up to the Fiend]

    Vs. the ZUSA, which is acting like a frothing rabid dog, mass-murdering and threatening and menacing people and whole nations that have done it no harm, but are not sufficiently slavishly servile to Bibi.

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.

    Iran is hands down in the right, fully and honorably in the total, absolute right.

    /

    whereas the ZUSA is not only in the wrong, but Satanically, demonically, and in abject, sniveling obeisance to the Fiend - wrong.

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.

    Since our hasbarats are unwilling to utter the truth, I will respond to your heartfelt query on their behalf:

    Dear Mr. Rurik,

    As you know, the early fathers of Zionism called for the setting up shop of the Zionist project in a dangerous neighbourhood, populated by a billion Muslims. If they had not hijacked the FP of The Western lib democracies, there would still be Jews being blown up in disco techs in Tel Aviv and on buses in Jerusalem. If they didn’t get the US to remove Saddam, scud missiles would still be raining down on innocent Israelis. If they hadn’t gotten NATO to remove Qaddafi, he would still be sponsoring “terrorists” to kill innocent Jews in wheelchairs. If we hadn’t gotten the Saudis, Turkey, and the West to wage a proxy war against Syria, we wouldn’t be able to exploit the resources of the Golan that enable our people and economy to prosper.

    Truth be told, it’s a nasty world, Rurik… and it all boils down to this one cold hard fact: unfortunately, it is either us or them. So given this stark reality – i.e., we all live in a Darwinian jungle in which only the strongest survive – we regret that our lobbies have to subvert your democracies to do our bidding… but it is nothing personal. One must do what one must do. Now, if you bleeding hearts were more forthright about this fundamental truth, you wouldn’t berate us as harshly as you do. Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak… and stop believing in fairytales, such as the good is better than the bad? Why don’t you simply grow up and accept the fact that we’re not living in a Disney movie, like Bambi?

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    What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by what was and is currently done in : Darfur , Biafra , Papua , Tibet , Xinyang , South Sudan , Mauritania ,Chechnya , Cyprus , Kurdistan but you never whine about any of these . Guess they don't further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman...........
    , @geokat62

    Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak… and stop believing in fairytales....
     
    See what I mean:

    https://twitter.com/asafronel/status/993398418092457984?s=21
    , @Rurik

    Truth be told, it’s a nasty world, Rurik… and it all boils down to this one cold hard fact: unfortunately, it is either us or them. So given this stark reality – i.e., we all live in a Darwinian jungle
     
    yes of course Geo, at heart that is all true of course, but must we suffer the indignity of pretending that while war is being waged against us, that our posture should be that of Bambi?

    and stare doe-eyed as our rivals for living space tell us our time has come, and gone.

    your thoughtful letter reminds me of this scene, with Morpheus as Western civilization and agent Smith as the tribe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb6yOklzHMI
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  172. AndrewR says:
    @Brabantian
    With Donald Trump's exit of the Iran deal, at his moment of signing it, he showed a troubled 'I'm a hostage' face - 'I don't want to do this, but giving the Zionists and Israel too much here, impelling Europe and the world to react against me and Israel, is the only weapon of leverage I have against them'

    Have tried to set the video to start playing at 13:35 as Trump signs - try to look, without anti-Trump bias, at the 15 seconds following that ... Trump's 'the odds are against me' visage ... To me it seems even more clear Trump is a brave man trying to do what he can against the kosher machine he has known all his life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7b1gGQcm0&t=13m35s

    Big ugly in the Israel-Iran war starting, is Russia ... Actually quite a worse figure in this mess than Trump, Putin letting Israel massacre Russia's 'allies'

    Putin just met with Netanyahu before the big attack ... Zero Hedge asks, Did Putin Green-Light Tonight's Massive Israeli Strikes On Syria?

    The sad conclusion of Syrians and Iranians ... never trust the governments of the white man, they always cut a corrupt deal with Zionists & Israel ... Vladimir 'Jewtin' as they 'anti-semitically' call him, merely another devious betrayer, now that he has enough of Syria secured for the Gazprom group

    This is the stupidest comment I can recall reading recently, on multiple levels.

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  173. Mike P says:
    @Rurik

    someone who is better viewed as an ally.
     
    more:

    ((they're)) trying right now to wrangle Iran into a war with the ZUSA

    this is going on now, as we speak.

    So this person's agenda, is an attempt to destroy the sympathies that many people in the West have for Iran, knowing about the brutality of the Shah, knowing what SAVAK was up to, and knowing that Iran had every right to overthrow that quisling zio-regime.

    so, what this person is trying to do is resurrect the reputation of the Shah. And by doing so, and cast doubt on the current government in Iran, and by doing so, sow the seeds of war.

    “muh ebil SAVAK”

    IOW SAVAK wasn't so bad. IOW its the current government that is bad. 'They're the ones who killed all those people during and after the violent revolution', blah, blah.

    the stark truth today is that it is the ZUSA that is the glaring war criminal on the world's stage.

    Not Iran.

    Iran is welcomed and invited into Syria by the legitimate government of that nation. The ZUSA is there in violation of all known laws, and all tenets of decency known to mankind.

    Iran is acting in good faith, on behalf of its citizens, on behalf of the citizens of Syria, and on behalf of all people of good will the world over. [thank you Iran, from Rurik to you, for all you have done for the people of Syria, and the region, by standing up to the Fiend]

    Vs. the ZUSA, which is acting like a frothing rabid dog, mass-murdering and threatening and menacing people and whole nations that have done it no harm, but are not sufficiently slavishly servile to Bibi.

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.

    Iran is hands down in the right, fully and honorably in the total, absolute right.

    /

    whereas the ZUSA is not only in the wrong, but Satanically, demonically, and in abject, sniveling obeisance to the Fiend - wrong.

    The Shah was installed by the CIA, but that doesn’t mean he was not also removed by the CIA. And even though Khomeini and his comrades turned on the U.S. in the end (or rather, pretty quickly), we can’t be sure that they were not installed by them. Prior to this occasion, the U.S. didn’t have a lot of experience with religious fundamentalists as tools of revolution, but they are bound to be less predictable and reliable than the usual bunch of mercenaries. And finally, just because SAVAK was bad, we can’t assume Khomeini’s henchmen were any better. How could they – you don’t usually consolidate power after a revolution by immediately granting clemency and amnesty all around.

    This overview of the back story of the revolution is well worth reading. One of its aspects – namely, that the Shah’s cancer treatment was botched up on purpose, in order to get rid of him more rapidly – is supported by this article in a medical journal.

    In the real world, there is space for more villains – or, in your nomenclature, “fiends” – than one.

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    The Shah was installed by the CIA, but that doesn’t mean he was not also removed by the CIA. And even though Khomeini and his comrades turned on the U.S. in the end (or rather, pretty quickly), we can’t be sure that they were not installed by them.
     
    I'm no scholar on the issue, but for the CIA to depose the Shah and install Khomeini, would seem to me like the CIA deposing the House of Saud, and replacing it with Osama Bin Laden, or his modern equivolent.

    With the Saudis today, they have an absolutely corrupt, zio-quisling customer for the MIC, Ratheon, Lockheed and all the other merchents of death. (Just like with the Shah). Willing to sell the oil cheap, even if it undermines their own profits, on orders from the zio-west, like recently when OPEC lowered the price to punish those who thumb their noses at the Fiend. Like Russia or Venezuela, who depend on oil for their economies.

    With the Saudis, just like the Shah, any resistance to their brutal rule is enforced with torture and assassinations and brutal pograms. Someone here wrote that in 20 years, the Shah had only killed 100 political prisoners, a number I consider preposterous.

    What are the chances that the Fiend would topple the House of Saud (and take their chances on what replaced it) even it the Saudis did play nice with commies or with ISIS, or other putative enemies of the ZUSA?

    When the Fiend has a dupe, the Fiend does all it can to maintain that dupe in power.

    And as soon as the Shah was removed (immediately) they did all they could to demonise and oust Khomeini, from day one.

    I'm old enough to remember the anti-Khomeini hysteria. It was as bad as their screeching today about Iran. It was an obsession, especially after the hostages. 'Day 14, Day 247..' they would solemly report on the zio-media. the relentless scenes on the zio-tube, day in, day out.

    https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/88/95/1422819188-17argo2-blog427.jpg

    https://dailybeeper.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/30thanniversaryoftheiranhostagecrisis_01.jpg?w=400&h=368

    the idea that the Iranian revolution was the CIA's idea, is for me, a bit much.
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  174. Mike P says:
    @RobinG
    If I have time, I'll really read this whole thread. Meanwhile, I'm glad to see there's some pushback (anon.204) and argument. It seemed likely to me that Nahavandi had an agenda. In this kind of dispute, I've generally found that everyone is lying to some extent.

    Thanks for the Uwe Barschel link. The case was reopened in 2011, but no further news. You assume the Swiss were involved, but it's just as likely this happened under their noses. Geneva is such a pisshole, crawling with every sort of IC vermin as well as the participants in their human rights industry.

    In 2001, Ayman Zawahiri passed through Geneva on his way to Afghanistan. After the fact, Swiss Intelligence scrambled to get informants. They routinely coerce asylum seekers. If quid pro quo isn't enough, they try blackmail, etc. Refusing to spy is a dangerous option for a stateless person. Wikipedia says Col. el Ghanam has been released, but that's not true. He's been moved to a hospital but is still a prisoner, over 11 years without due process.

    Robert Fisk: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy for the Swiss https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-jailed-in-geneva-the-colonel-who-stood-up-against-mubarak-but-refused-to-spy-for-the-7469072.html

    Thanks for the story about Ghanem and his incarceration in Switzerland, I had not heard about him.

    Anon 204 states that Houchang Nahavandi was corrupt and a SAVAK man, but doesn’t offer any factual arguments to refute his story.

    In the conclusion of the medical journal article I cited in my reply to Rurik, there is this fascinating story, reportedly by one of the Shah’s treating surgeons:

    Some years later I was attending a conference in Hamburg, Germany. As my wife and I finished dinner one night, I found our table surrounded by a group of severely dressed men; the identification on their lapels said they were from the Islamic Republic of Iran. They wanted to know whether the Shah really had cancer. I reassured them that he had histiocytic lymphoma. They thanked me for the information. I think I heard one in the group say “he was the only one that could have saved us.”

    Seems like former SAVAK men now working for the new regime.

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  175. @Zumbuddi
    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.
    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.

    Anglos get their jollies out of starving other people's children

    In WWI British caused famine in Iran that killed 40% of Iran's population.
    In WWII Iran was once again neutral nut once again the plundered playgrou d for Allies.
    Jews like Richard Goldberg are gloating over repeating starvation and evonomic destabilization at which Jews have become expert.
    Who learned from whom?

    Unz Forum really should dig a little deeper and expand their awareness of Iran history beyond 1953.

    That is not the first or worst evil thing Anglo Zionists did to Iran.

    I had exactly the same thought. Nearly every scribbler that deals with Iran seems to think its history began in 1953 and that just ain’t so. It’s been a victim of foreign designs for over a century in modern times, and deserves,a t a minimum, some sympathy for it.

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  176. @Sean
    Influential liberal American Jews would be cut off from the source of their power if they could not play the Israel card, for example

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/25/news-opinion/united-states/travel-ban-case-jewish-justice-poses-hypothetical-anti-semitic-president

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Justice Elana Kagan asked the lawyer defending the president’s travel ban to imagine the same ban if it applied to Israelis.

    In her hypothetical challenge during oral arguments on President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from several Muslim majority countries, Kagan asked if a similar ban on Israelis by an anti-Semitic president would be constitutional.
     

    Israel cannot survive as a Jewish state without expelling the majority of West Bank Arabs. It is not necessary make influential liberal American Jews support anything, just muting them will be quite sufficient. Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble and so Israel is preparing for the major war that is necessary to neutralise the Iranians and if possible the main threat, which is the Arabs in the occupied territories of course. If the US was to attack Iran then Iranian backed militias in the region will destablise Jordan, with the help of Assad who will be returning the favour to the Hashemites who tried to topple his family dictatorship. Chaos in Jordan and a revolt by crazy Arabs in the occupied territories would be the perfect opportunity to throw the Arabs across the river. Israel would face a great deal of criticism and war with Arab countries, but thius would be good. With Israel's back to the wall, liberal Jews would be muted about Trump because he is Israel's greatest friend. No influential liberal Jew can kick Israel when it is down without becoming an outcast from the organised community.

    Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble…

    What makes you think anyone would believe that?

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    Its true, these Israelis juz realized they have screwed up themselves hard in ME.

    1. They have West ally & Iran enemy Saddam removed to give Iraq majority Shiah power.

    2. Detroyed Syria with ISIS, giving Iran & Hezobollah a foothold in Syria to entrench they preparation for struggle with Israel.

    3. Lebanon now has a ever strongest Hezobollah, thks to Syria war & KSA coup.

    4. Yemen Huthus are still kicking KSA ass after 5yrs, they will be better once Iran can help to send in more lethal weapons to help liberate KSA, & other Gulf states from US puppet monarchs with Shiah majority.

    5. Gulf states, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, all Muslim countries are no friend of Israel. Once they see a strong Iran alliance influence with collapsing US power, they will gang up as one Muslim brotherhood against Israel & world. ISIS will be happy to start fighting Israel for new pay master, Iran alliance if KSA is overthrown.

    This Big Shiah Crescent if developed, will see Israel demise in perpetual quagmire. Hence they are striking deals with Putin now to have Iran present in Syria cut. Putin is milking this opportunity, so no Russia position will be attacked by USM.

    If you cant fight the giant (US), juz squeeze its testicle(Israel), giant will bow down.
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  177. @bjondo
    How many shekels to troll, to be a hasbararat mr. one-of-several-unemployed monikers?

    How many shekels to troll, to be a hasbararat mr. one-of-several-unemployed monikers?

    It’s amusing that he’s probably paid to be mendacious, yet uses the word without having a clue as to its meaning.

    They keep scraping the bottom of the hasbarrel. Funny stuff.

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  178. @James Forrestal

    “Apparent aim of creating a Persian Empire”? Evidence?
     
    That's either very low effort trolling, or serious confusion. The Shah made a big deal out of "glorious Persian heritage," which makes sense for a secular nationalist. The mullahs? Not so much. Why would they? Islam is emblematic of the Arabization of Persia. Overemphasizing a heritage that long predates Islam, was conquered by it, and often conflicts with its mandates, would be counterproductive.

    That’s either very low effort trolling, or serious confusion.

    Probably both with a few other untreatable conditions tossed in for good measure.

    Not even worth responding too.

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  179. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.
     
    Since our hasbarats are unwilling to utter the truth, I will respond to your heartfelt query on their behalf:

    Dear Mr. Rurik,

    As you know, the early fathers of Zionism called for the setting up shop of the Zionist project in a dangerous neighbourhood, populated by a billion Muslims. If they had not hijacked the FP of The Western lib democracies, there would still be Jews being blown up in disco techs in Tel Aviv and on buses in Jerusalem. If they didn’t get the US to remove Saddam, scud missiles would still be raining down on innocent Israelis. If they hadn’t gotten NATO to remove Qaddafi, he would still be sponsoring “terrorists” to kill innocent Jews in wheelchairs. If we hadn’t gotten the Saudis, Turkey, and the West to wage a proxy war against Syria, we wouldn’t be able to exploit the resources of the Golan that enable our people and economy to prosper.

    Truth be told, it’s a nasty world, Rurik... and it all boils down to this one cold hard fact: unfortunately, it is either us or them. So given this stark reality - i.e., we all live in a Darwinian jungle in which only the strongest survive - we regret that our lobbies have to subvert your democracies to do our bidding... but it is nothing personal. One must do what one must do. Now, if you bleeding hearts were more forthright about this fundamental truth, you wouldn’t berate us as harshly as you do. Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak... and stop believing in fairytales, such as the good is better than the bad? Why don’t you simply grow up and accept the fact that we’re not living in a Disney movie, like Bambi?
     

    What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by what was and is currently done in : Darfur , Biafra , Papua , Tibet , Xinyang , South Sudan , Mauritania ,Chechnya , Cyprus , Kurdistan but you never whine about any of these . Guess they don’t further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman………..

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    ..is dwarfed..
     
    Of course. You’re right. The American taxpayer is paying much more than the $6 trillion they are paying to underwrite The Lobby’s campaign to remake the Middle East. How many US servicemen have lost their lives in these other conflicts? I’m sure they exceed the over 7,000 US military killed and the over 50,000 wounded?

    Guess they don’t further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman………..
     
    Guess they don’t further your brand of hasbara...........
    , @Avery
    {What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by .....}

    You guys keep repeating the same bogus argument to justify what was done in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.

    And the counter is always the same: those of us who argue for Afghanistan , Libya , Syria, Iraq...and Iran,....and.....argue because, being US taxpayers, we don't want our tax dollars wasted in overseas imperial adventures that kill innocent foreigners and which not only bring no benefit to American people, but bring great harm and costs in blood and treasure.

    We don't want American blood and treasure spent to benefit private multinational corporate and foreign interests.
    Those foreign entanglements bring nothing but misery to America and result in blowbacks that negatively affect our lives here directly.
    There is not one iota of benefit to the American people from those imperial projects.

    Don't believe me?
    Case in point: Iraq.
    About 4,500 Americans were killed in Iraq (...yes, I know about the ~500,000 Iraqis killed also).
    US taxpayers have already wasted ~$2 trillion in Iraq, with no end site.
    There are 1,000s of young wounded, cippled vets from the Iraqi illegal invasion that will require lifetime medical care, costs borne by American taxpayers.

    So where is the benefit to America and American people?


    US and its Neocon proxies are either directly or indirectly involved in creating chaos and death and destruction in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , and Iraq. Those other countries you listed are somebody else's doing and somebody else' problem.

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  180. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    U.N. nuclear watchdog’s inspections chief quits suddenly

    Reuters ( UK)

    He will be replaced by the chief of the Iran desk of the UN agency

    What does it portend??

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  181. @Rurik

    Your instant recognition of the legacy-media promoted, establishment-supported simplistic caricature of the Iran aspect of The Narrative, as well as your reflexive, unthinking support for this comic book, distorted version of history is appreciated.
     
    yea, that's me. Always following the media cartoon versions of history every time.

    lol

    (and your prose Forrestal, is inflated, flatulent and affected ; )

    then more blah, blah, blah, until we get to this gem

    Your pathetic inability to even attempt to refute the self-evident fact that Khomeini’s acolytes massacred more people in the first month of his power than the Shah did in the entirety of his rule
     
    I don't know if that's true or not, but since we're busy moralizing our sanctimonious indignation at how many people were killed following a violent revolution against a brutal and oppressive regime, let's consider how many Germans were killed when the US and its noble allies, overthrew the Nazi regime...

    let that sink in for a few moments, there Forrestal.

    How many teenage German boys did Eisenhower starve to death on the frozen ground? How many German women and children died of exposure or starvation after being driven out of their homes, (not for anything they ever did, mind you. But simply because they happened to have been born German)

    So your affected moral pretense is patently laughable. Idiotic even.

    When a ruler loses ZOG’s support, of course The Narrative turns against him, and demonizes him using anecdotal atrocity propaganda. Because at that point, he’s annudah Hitlah! of course. Duh.
     
    nice attempt at pirouetting into a 180. The Shah didn't fall because he lost ZOG's support. That's beyond stupid. The Shah fell because the cruelty and savagery of his reign of terror over the people of Iran was insufficient to suppress the Iranian people for perpetuity, and they rallied around their best hope to remove him from power, and likely would have ripped his body to shreds with their bare hands, if he hadn't come running to the protection of ZOG for his bloody life.

    So your entire screed here is puerile dissembling. Dishonest, diversion from the truth. Which we get often here at Unz, but then the fun thing is mocking you liars and shills.

    Robotically regurgitating the newest version of the narrative does not come even close to refuting that point; rather, it reinforces it. Thanks again.
     
    yep, that's me. Always robotically parroting the ((media/establishment)) narrative.

    here's a clue...

    since obviously your position is that the Shah wasn't so bad, and the Mullahs who came after were worse, huh?

    But it's a very nuanced question of complicated geo-political exigencies and realpolitik entanglements and too hard for us dunderheads to understand it all, huh?

    well, let me cut through the bullshit, OK?

    what I know.. is that the USA are not the good guys. No. Any nation who did to Germany, and Dresden in particular, at the end of a war, what the ZUSA did to those old men, women and children after the war was over, is not a good guy'.

    The acts of treachery at Yalta are numbing for their betrayal. Stalin's enslavement of half of Europe was pure evil, and our government was complicit.

    So now that we all know that the ZUSA was a fiend, going back even to the "great" war, where 'we' fought on the side of genocidal commies who starved their people to death by the millions, for the crime of being white, Christian, hard working and prosperous.

    So let's move on to Iran, where the CIA and MI6 toppled a popular, democratically elected leader, because the ZUSA and Perfidious Albion wanted to continue to steal Iran's oil, and also of course on behalf of the Fiend, who wanted to dominate Iran, just as it dominated all the governments of the West with an imbedded Rothschild central bank. Duh.

    OK, so this is all par for the course. We fought both world wars because of the Jewish supremacist banksters who wanted Palestine, and also to crush Germany, who resisted the Fiend's attempts there to impose Bolshevik genocide and slavery.

    And now we've deposed the popular leader of Iran and imposed a quisling to the Fiend.

    Who uses the Mossad and CIA techniques to terrorize his people into submission to that very same Fiend/Zionism/international banking/contrived wars for the fun and amusement of British pedophiles, Jewish supremacists, and amoral political opportunists (Wilson, Churchill, FDR, et al)

    so this whole Iran deal isn't so convoluted after all. Rather, it's a very stark delineation between a people trying to assert their self-determination, vs. a demonic fiend on the world's stage demanding submission to its terror, theft, torture, and oppression. Exactly like we all see played out every day in Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories.

    Just as we see played out in Libya, where the Fiend has wrought its handiwork.

    Just as we see played out in Syria and Donbas, where the calling card of the Fiend is there for all to bear witness. Death, destabilization, murder, assassinations, torture, terror and horrors writ large.

    That is what the Shah represented. Not some nuanced view of geopolitics that's just far too convoluted for the average person to grasp! Bullshit. It's stark and it's hard to imagine a more glairing example of a people (Iran) who've been ravaged and wronged and brutalized by a force in the world that is stone-cold-evil and insatiable - for power. (Zionism ; )

    All we have to do is look at how the Fiend went nuts when it lost control of Iran to the Iranian people (and sadly, the mullahs).

    They used their dog on a leash- Saddam, to wage a war against Iran. A brutal and disastrous war where GHWB and his poodle Rumsfeld offered up all the chemical and other WMD that Saddam could ask for, if only he promised to use them on Persians. (The same people Donald Trump recently claimed to have so much love for). {God help a people and nation when the ZUSA is worried about them and wants to 'liberate' them}

    I hope you'll forgive the Iranian people if the love ZUS presidents have for them is not always requited effusively.

    You'd have to be a complete shithead not to know that the ZUS wants for Iran what it gave to the people of Libya. I mean come on, it was out of ebullient compassion for the people of Libya that we had to send Libya reeling into the stone age and a dystopian hell on earth! To save them! And look at them now, just imagine how they'd be without the caring and loving compassion of the Fiend!

    Just imagine where the people of Syria would be were it not for the depths of compassion that we in the zio-west have for them! Or the people of Yemen for that matter, in service to that other 'shinning light unto all nations'.

    The ZUS is and has been under the thrall of Rothschild's 'monsters from the id' for over a hundred years. It betrayed Germany and starved her into signing away their nation into slavery to the Fiend, twice in the last century.

    It funded Trotsky and consorted with Lenin and Stalin as those monsters were genociding millions of the best of Russia and Eastern Europe, and terrorizing their people with gulags and pogroms and torture and "Red Terror'. It may have been NKVD goons that were putting bullets into the brain pans of Poles at Katyn, but it was the ZUSA (Zionist, Jewish banksters) who had conceived and nurtured and facilitated the Soviet demon from day one.

    All of the horrors of the second world war can and must be laid at the feet of the ZUSA, who collaborated with that Bolsheviks and allied with them to enslave the planet.

    Exactly like today, as we're forced to participate in acts of moral enormity that should shudder the spine, for sheer, Biblical levels of evil.

    Millions of innocent people, who have done us no harm, have had their lives destroyed, their relatives slaughtered, and the nations robbed of their futures, as their people are robbed of their very lives.

    All in service to Zionism, the Fiend.

    And it is exactly this same, Satanic Fiend that is threatening Iran once again.

    Not for anything Iran did, mind you. But for simply demanding self-determination and trying to defend itself from the psychotic imperative of the Fiend to impose itself on Iran and brutalise her people and most of all, humiliate Iran as it dominates her utterly.

    Just as the people of the ZUSA and France and the West are humiliated by being forced to be party to all of this mindless, drooling iniquity and malevolent villainy.

    Now, I hope that isn't too much aping of the comic book, ((official media and establishment)) narrative I'm always parroting.

    Very good argument! But please keep in mind that due to the fact that the Shah was a diehard subservient to the ZUSA and Zisrael, the Iranian people completely went in the opposite direction! By doing so communism had penetrated the society in which many physicians, supposed to be the last to become communist, had believed in communism as a salvation and freedom from the brutal mother fucking Pahlavi dynasty! Well as the saying goes the ground was fertile for a major change and a spark for an eruption! Jimmy Carter had realized this phenomenon when he was in Tehran many months prior to the societal eruption! We believe now that a religious figure head was the best choice for Carter, the Zionists and others to prevent Iran from becoming a Russian ally by becoming a communist country and giving Russia access to the warm waters of the Persian Gulf! Russia was pissed off when the west stole Iraq from them and installed their own stooge, Saddam Hossain, in that country. So the Russians were looking for an opportunity to thumb their nose at the ZUSA by stealing Iran. Well the rest is history!
    As someone said it well, both ZUSA & ZRussia are subservients of the Zionists. Thus the reason for both to screwing every little country on earth because they for the benefit of the Zionists without the dip shits fight it off face to face!

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    We believe now that a religious figure head was the best choice for Carter, the Zionists and others to prevent Iran from becoming a Russian ally
     
    why now?

    why when the Fiend is demanding war with Iran, is the whole issue of the Iranian Revolution being a CIA-pretext, (if failed) attempt to reign in Iran, making it seem like the Iranian government today is somehow an illegitimate quisling of the CIA.

    It just seems like a curious time to make this case, on the verge of an Israeli/ZUSA pretext for war on Iran. An Iran I might point out, that seems to me to have behaved on the world's stage in an exemplary way. Never attacking its neighbors, or anyone else. (regardless of the relentless flow of lies pumping out of the Zio-lie factory/fake news media) to the contrary.

    They call Iran the main supporter of terrorism, but the opposite is the case. It is the ZUS and Israel that are the psychotic terorists on the world stage, (duh) but I'm just waiting to read here that it's the anti-commie CIA that is behind it all, and forcing poor little Israel to go along with it all as some kind of tail, being waged by the anti-commie 'USA!' dog.

    I don't see it that way today, and i don't see it that way back then. We menaced Iran on behalf of Israel back then, (oil or no oil), and we're doing it again, all on behalf of Israel.

    IMHO

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  182. geokat62 says:
    @Anon
    What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by what was and is currently done in : Darfur , Biafra , Papua , Tibet , Xinyang , South Sudan , Mauritania ,Chechnya , Cyprus , Kurdistan but you never whine about any of these . Guess they don't further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman...........

    ..is dwarfed..

    Of course. You’re right. The American taxpayer is paying much more than the $6 trillion they are paying to underwrite The Lobby’s campaign to remake the Middle East. How many US servicemen have lost their lives in these other conflicts? I’m sure they exceed the over 7,000 US military killed and the over 50,000 wounded?

    Guess they don’t further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman………..

    Guess they don’t further your brand of hasbara………..

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  183. Avery says:
    @Anon
    What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by what was and is currently done in : Darfur , Biafra , Papua , Tibet , Xinyang , South Sudan , Mauritania ,Chechnya , Cyprus , Kurdistan but you never whine about any of these . Guess they don't further your brand of Takkiyah/Kitman...........

    {What was done in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , Iraq is dwarfed by …..}

    You guys keep repeating the same bogus argument to justify what was done in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.

    And the counter is always the same: those of us who argue for Afghanistan , Libya , Syria, Iraq…and Iran,….and…..argue because, being US taxpayers, we don’t want our tax dollars wasted in overseas imperial adventures that kill innocent foreigners and which not only bring no benefit to American people, but bring great harm and costs in blood and treasure.

    We don’t want American blood and treasure spent to benefit private multinational corporate and foreign interests.
    Those foreign entanglements bring nothing but misery to America and result in blowbacks that negatively affect our lives here directly.
    There is not one iota of benefit to the American people from those imperial projects.

    Don’t believe me?
    Case in point: Iraq.
    About 4,500 Americans were killed in Iraq (…yes, I know about the ~500,000 Iraqis killed also).
    US taxpayers have already wasted ~$2 trillion in Iraq, with no end site.
    There are 1,000s of young wounded, cippled vets from the Iraqi illegal invasion that will require lifetime medical care, costs borne by American taxpayers.

    So where is the benefit to America and American people?

    US and its Neocon proxies are either directly or indirectly involved in creating chaos and death and destruction in Afghanistan , Libya , Syria , and Iraq. Those other countries you listed are somebody else’s doing and somebody else’ problem.

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  184. “Did Donald Trump scrap the Iran nuke’s deal to pay back his pro-Israel campaign donors?”

    No, he didn’t; he would’ve done it if was Iran that bankrolled his campaign. The ignorant orange savage in the White House does what he does because he’s evil, not because he has to pay somebody back for something.

    The ignorant orange savage is apparently a “deep cover” jew agent, who’s been groomed and waiting-in-the-wings for his masters’ beck and call. And the call came when it was clear that Obama wouldn’t be able to deliver the goods.

    The ignorant orange savage is the jews’ puppet ruler of last resort.

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  185. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    is there any way anyone could even try to justify what was done to Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya or Syria? Others too.
     
    Since our hasbarats are unwilling to utter the truth, I will respond to your heartfelt query on their behalf:

    Dear Mr. Rurik,

    As you know, the early fathers of Zionism called for the setting up shop of the Zionist project in a dangerous neighbourhood, populated by a billion Muslims. If they had not hijacked the FP of The Western lib democracies, there would still be Jews being blown up in disco techs in Tel Aviv and on buses in Jerusalem. If they didn’t get the US to remove Saddam, scud missiles would still be raining down on innocent Israelis. If they hadn’t gotten NATO to remove Qaddafi, he would still be sponsoring “terrorists” to kill innocent Jews in wheelchairs. If we hadn’t gotten the Saudis, Turkey, and the West to wage a proxy war against Syria, we wouldn’t be able to exploit the resources of the Golan that enable our people and economy to prosper.

    Truth be told, it’s a nasty world, Rurik... and it all boils down to this one cold hard fact: unfortunately, it is either us or them. So given this stark reality - i.e., we all live in a Darwinian jungle in which only the strongest survive - we regret that our lobbies have to subvert your democracies to do our bidding... but it is nothing personal. One must do what one must do. Now, if you bleeding hearts were more forthright about this fundamental truth, you wouldn’t berate us as harshly as you do. Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak... and stop believing in fairytales, such as the good is better than the bad? Why don’t you simply grow up and accept the fact that we’re not living in a Disney movie, like Bambi?
     

    Why don’t you recognize the simple truth that the strong are destined to rule over the weak… and stop believing in fairytales….

    See what I mean:

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  186. @anonymous
    No Muslim should trust traitor Putin and racist Russia.

    Russia is in Syria to KILL MUSLIMS and to collect all the cards to benefit itself and the criminal west. In this regard, Putin is trying to push Iranians out and partition Syria according to Oded Yinon. That's why gave a green light to Turkey to come in so the dog of imperialism and zionism gives him another card to play against interest of Syria and for the INTEREST OF ISRAEL.


    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-real-reason-putin-supports-assad/

    No one should forget that Russia and China voted for ALL SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. Two days on BBC a British official said Russia is happy with the US decision on Iran deal, although liar Lavruv pretends Russia disagrees. Russia wants to control all the pipeline, thus, to deny Iran of improving economic situation and, like the criminal west, to keep Iran dependent and POOR.
    This history of Russia in Iran is dark and almost all Iranians DO NOT TRUST RUSSIA. It is very stupid of illiterate zionist traitor at the WH to sell American interests to few zionist billionaires to impliment their orders to squeeze Iranian people so Israel can continue its own expansionist policy according to Oded Yinon. This traitor is following the order to help his own business and his party to stay in power by selling the country and AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    If the zionist liar who claims 'America first' really is honest, then he can improve relations with Iran brings BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to help Americans where many have no health insurance, a HUMAN RIGHT, home and cut the influence of the zionist billionaires on FOREIGN POLICY with contribution of ONLY $35 millions out of CASINO AND WHORE HOUSES profit that made off of American people, to buy illiterate swindler to attack a country that can give Americans thousands of jobs.

    Who is really dumb here?

    Russia, did not deliver S-300 to Iran for YEARS although Iran had paid in full where Iran had to take Russia to court, because the baby killer Natanyhau ordered Putin NOT to do. Putin would have not delivered S-300 anyway, unless the West accept Russia as a petty colony. The same with nuclear plant, where racist Russia and traitor Putin postponed the program for over 22 years.


    [The startup of the plant, at Bushier, in southern Iran, has been plagued by delays since Russia took over work on the facility in the mid-1990s, with Russian officials often appearing to use the project as leverage in negotiations with Iran’s leaders.]


    The zionist stooge, Putin, has not given S-300 to Syria to defend itself against repeated aggression and military attack and NEVER will. Putin did the same thing to Iran, on Netanyahu's order and Putin, the zionist traitor, accepted.

    Russia is an enemy of Muslims and its dark history shows it very well. All Arabs know this fact, so Iranians, Afghans, Tajiks, Turks, Georgiana, Armenians and many other groups.

    Israel bombed Syria again and spread the lies that was attack first. This treason was discussed with traitor Putin two days earlier at his inauguration. THIS IS TREASON.

    Eruopeans are slave of the Evil Empire. Shame on them all.



    https://cdn.mashreghnews.ir/d/2018/05/11/4/2246220.jpg

    “Russia is an enemy of Muslims ”

    Maybe. But maybe it is better to say “Putin/Russian Elite is an enemy of Muslims”

    You don”t know what “Russia” thinks. Anyway, there are millions of Russians that are Muslims.

    What is sure is that Muslims are the best enemies of …Muslims.

    Putin and the Russian Elite are, undoubtedly , getting their orders from the king of Israel, who he’s Putin’s best friend.

    But how about Saudi Arabia, the supposedly Muslim country and custodian of Islam’s holiest sites ?

    Shouldn’t All Muslims, all over the world, feel betrayed by the Saudi ruling family ?

    Isn’t an open secret that the Saudi Arabia is an American colony (Israel’s in reality) and that Saudi Arabia is the best ally of the Zionists ?

    Shouldn’t Muslims that are interested in Justice and Peace get rid of that corrupt ruling family and make peace with Iran ? Or Peace with Shiites is impossible?

    That seems to me the priority for those who are really Muslims. It’s something you can really do something about.
    Unfortunately, about Russia or the USA, you can’t do nothing. Except complaining.

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  187. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    I don't understand this argument. Plenty of liberal American Jews don't talk about Israel and focus primarily on domestic policy. I don't see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does. Moreover, if your premise that liberal American Jews are primarily concerned with Israel is true, then it's just as plausible that they would focus on domestic US policy like immigration to distract from whatever controversial stuff Israel is involved in.

    I don’t see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does

    They wouldn’t, but bereft of the wherewithal of the whole Jewish community the liberal, leftist and anti national libertarian Jews would be a lot less loud in their pro-immigration agitation and op-ed editorializing. Repatriation of undocumented immigrants would become less controversial, if Israel had carried out outright expulsions.

    Take Jesse Helms as an example

    https://www.jta.org/1985/12/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-the-transformation-of-jesse-helms One of the most interesting developments of 1985 in Washington was the transformation of Sen. Jesse Helms (R. N. C.) from someone considered unfriendly to Israel to a strong supporter of the Jewish State. In fact, Helms, like several other conservative Senators and many in the Christian Right, believes Israel should maintain control of the West Bank.

    Liberals and especially the liberals Jews loathed and despised Helms for his positions on domestic matters, but the real danger to him came when the organised Jewish community ,which is viscerally pro Israel, identified him as an enemy of Israel. The Jews as id their habit coalesced in a block like like quicksilver when Israel was animadverted, and were mobilized to support the rival candidates for his seat, so he caved in and flipped over on Israel only. Result: the liberal estalishment were ineffective against Helms from that point on, because organised political Jewry had ceaced to regard him as an enemy of Israel and he was free to be as traditional and conservative as he liked on the really important issues.

    In every war very many thousands of innocent human beings including children will be killed, so sending people who travel on Jordanian passports, as the West bank Arabs do, to live in Jordan is hardly a terrible crime in the scheme of things . Of course you can just eschew interference in any other country and wait for the attack but most countries that have survived history do not behave in such a morally pure way. Unless you want to be a beautiful loser nation, waging aggressive war is necessary sometimes.

    There is going to be a major war in the middle east involving Israel soon. Israel (and the Saudis) powers have decided that Iran must be destroyed as This week in an article in the New Statesman someone who knows says Israel has decided a settling of accounts is coming in the shape of a majot war. he alsothinks the saudis want the same thing:-

    The former British ambassador in Riyadh John Jenkins argues that, behind its bluster, Saudi Arabia is a country that feels under grave threat from enemies both inside and out. Jenkins has been encouraged by broadcasters to condemn Saturday’s execution of the Saudi cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, but he finds himself . . .

    [. . .] wondering what exactly it is that I and others are being invited to condemn. The fact of an execution, its nature, the Shia identity of the victim, his status as a cleric, that the Saudis still practise capital punishment, the nature of their judicial system, the timing of the act, the suspicion that it might undermine the peace process in Syria or infuriate Iran – or perhaps all of this and more?

    Yet condemnation without understanding is futile. It is not enough to say that this is simply the result of the ascendancy of a new set of inexperienced senior princes. The reasons for Saudi – and Iranian – actions are structural.

    Consider the context. Saudi Arabia feels with good reason more threatened than at any time in its modern history, at least since the subversive Kulturkampf of the 1950s and 1960s from Nasser’s Egypt. This stems from five sources: first, the challenge of Sunni and largely Salafi jihadism; second, the sustained ideological and material challenge of the Islamic Republic of Iran; third, the collapse of large parts of the Middle East state system following the Arab spring; fourth, a sharp fall in global energy prices; and fifth, a sense that historical alliances – notably but not only with the United States – are fraying. .

    The Saudis want Iran smashed, the Israeli do too. The US will pull off a master stroke by obliging everyone– even the Russians will not be unhappy. Liberal Jews will be muted in protest against US actions to further the interests of the Israel lobby, and denied the support of their wider, allegiant–to-Israel community, liberal Jews will not be so strident against the Western countries that they happily live in, or find themselves driving a taxi.

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    No all out war with Iran, FUKUS & Israel know it long ago the price to pay fighting a nation like well prepared war harden Iran /NK is impossible, well beyond Iraq $5T, with lot of casualties & destroyed Israel. Any nuke attack will engulf Israel too, and hard for the world to support.

    Iran is a much bigger & stronger country than Iraq, with all its people willing to die defending. It had proven its fighting spirit in Iraq war. It has enough missiles ability to inflict serious damage to FUKUS military present in ME, and Israel/KSA for sure.

    Hence Nethanyahoo is posturing only by bombing Iran position in Syria, not directly into Iran to spark a war. Iran is also posturing by threatening to retaliate with no direct hit back. Both have guns pointed at each other head shouting, it doesn't matter whose gun is bigger.

    Israel hope is a complete sanction to forever weaken Iran until opportunity arise, or let FUKUS die fighting for it. What is good for a world with a ruined Israel?

    KSA knew its days is numbered, Houthis war has exposed its complete useless army & bleeding its reserved to near bankruptcy while oil price is depressed. So its cheering FUKUS& Israel to die fighting Iran, the tension is enough to surge oil above $100 to refill its leaking pockets.

    Russia & Iran are too happy to play along to fill their pockets with higher oil price artificially depressed by FUKUS to destroy their economy, & coup Venezuela.

    Losers are FUKUS, China & the world paying higher gas bill.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm not convinced. Your view seems to assume that the American Jewish community is effectively monolithic and will tolerate anything and everything Israel does. This is obviously not true, as there already is a non-trivial segment of liberal American Jews who are outright hostile to Israel, and a sizable number of them who are quite critical of Israel. Most liberal American Jews are not beholden to the Israel lobby.
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  188. TT says:
    @jacques sheete

    Israel strategists are now realising that the Iranians are going to make trouble...
     
    What makes you think anyone would believe that?

    Its true, these Israelis juz realized they have screwed up themselves hard in ME.

    1. They have West ally & Iran enemy Saddam removed to give Iraq majority Shiah power.

    2. Detroyed Syria with ISIS, giving Iran & Hezobollah a foothold in Syria to entrench they preparation for struggle with Israel.

    3. Lebanon now has a ever strongest Hezobollah, thks to Syria war & KSA coup.

    4. Yemen Huthus are still kicking KSA ass after 5yrs, they will be better once Iran can help to send in more lethal weapons to help liberate KSA, & other Gulf states from US puppet monarchs with Shiah majority.

    5. Gulf states, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, all Muslim countries are no friend of Israel. Once they see a strong Iran alliance influence with collapsing US power, they will gang up as one Muslim brotherhood against Israel & world. ISIS will be happy to start fighting Israel for new pay master, Iran alliance if KSA is overthrown.

    This Big Shiah Crescent if developed, will see Israel demise in perpetual quagmire. Hence they are striking deals with Putin now to have Iran present in Syria cut. Putin is milking this opportunity, so no Russia position will be attacked by USM.

    If you cant fight the giant (US), juz squeeze its testicle(Israel), giant will bow down.

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  189. TT says:
    @Sean

    I don't see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does
     
    They wouldn't, but bereft of the wherewithal of the whole Jewish community the liberal, leftist and anti national libertarian Jews would be a lot less loud in their pro-immigration agitation and op-ed editorializing. Repatriation of undocumented immigrants would become less controversial, if Israel had carried out outright expulsions.

    Take Jesse Helms as an example


    https://www.jta.org/1985/12/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-the-transformation-of-jesse-helms One of the most interesting developments of 1985 in Washington was the transformation of Sen. Jesse Helms (R. N. C.) from someone considered unfriendly to Israel to a strong supporter of the Jewish State. In fact, Helms, like several other conservative Senators and many in the Christian Right, believes Israel should maintain control of the West Bank.
     
    Liberals and especially the liberals Jews loathed and despised Helms for his positions on domestic matters, but the real danger to him came when the organised Jewish community ,which is viscerally pro Israel, identified him as an enemy of Israel. The Jews as id their habit coalesced in a block like like quicksilver when Israel was animadverted, and were mobilized to support the rival candidates for his seat, so he caved in and flipped over on Israel only. Result: the liberal estalishment were ineffective against Helms from that point on, because organised political Jewry had ceaced to regard him as an enemy of Israel and he was free to be as traditional and conservative as he liked on the really important issues.

    In every war very many thousands of innocent human beings including children will be killed, so sending people who travel on Jordanian passports, as the West bank Arabs do, to live in Jordan is hardly a terrible crime in the scheme of things . Of course you can just eschew interference in any other country and wait for the attack but most countries that have survived history do not behave in such a morally pure way. Unless you want to be a beautiful loser nation, waging aggressive war is necessary sometimes.

    There is going to be a major war in the middle east involving Israel soon. Israel (and the Saudis) powers have decided that Iran must be destroyed as This week in an article in the New Statesman someone who knows says Israel has decided a settling of accounts is coming in the shape of a majot war. he alsothinks the saudis want the same thing:-


    The former British ambassador in Riyadh John Jenkins argues that, behind its bluster, Saudi Arabia is a country that feels under grave threat from enemies both inside and out. Jenkins has been encouraged by broadcasters to condemn Saturday's execution of the Saudi cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, but he finds himself . . .

    [. . .] wondering what exactly it is that I and others are being invited to condemn. The fact of an execution, its nature, the Shia identity of the victim, his status as a cleric, that the Saudis still practise capital punishment, the nature of their judicial system, the timing of the act, the suspicion that it might undermine the peace process in Syria or infuriate Iran - or perhaps all of this and more?
     
    Yet condemnation without understanding is futile. It is not enough to say that this is simply the result of the ascendancy of a new set of inexperienced senior princes. The reasons for Saudi - and Iranian - actions are structural.

    Consider the context. Saudi Arabia feels with good reason more threatened than at any time in its modern history, at least since the subversive Kulturkampf of the 1950s and 1960s from Nasser's Egypt. This stems from five sources: first, the challenge of Sunni and largely Salafi jihadism; second, the sustained ideological and material challenge of the Islamic Republic of Iran; third, the collapse of large parts of the Middle East state system following the Arab spring; fourth, a sharp fall in global energy prices; and fifth, a sense that historical alliances - notably but not only with the United States - are fraying. .
     

    The Saudis want Iran smashed, the Israeli do too. The US will pull off a master stroke by obliging everyone-- even the Russians will not be unhappy. Liberal Jews will be muted in protest against US actions to further the interests of the Israel lobby, and denied the support of their wider, allegiant--to-Israel community, liberal Jews will not be so strident against the Western countries that they happily live in, or find themselves driving a taxi.

    No all out war with Iran, FUKUS & Israel know it long ago the price to pay fighting a nation like well prepared war harden Iran /NK is impossible, well beyond Iraq $5T, with lot of casualties & destroyed Israel. Any nuke attack will engulf Israel too, and hard for the world to support.

    Iran is a much bigger & stronger country than Iraq, with all its people willing to die defending. It had proven its fighting spirit in Iraq war. It has enough missiles ability to inflict serious damage to FUKUS military present in ME, and Israel/KSA for sure.

    Hence Nethanyahoo is posturing only by bombing Iran position in Syria, not directly into Iran to spark a war. Iran is also posturing by threatening to retaliate with no direct hit back. Both have guns pointed at each other head shouting, it doesn’t matter whose gun is bigger.

    Israel hope is a complete sanction to forever weaken Iran until opportunity arise, or let FUKUS die fighting for it. What is good for a world with a ruined Israel?

    KSA knew its days is numbered, Houthis war has exposed its complete useless army & bleeding its reserved to near bankruptcy while oil price is depressed. So its cheering FUKUS& Israel to die fighting Iran, the tension is enough to surge oil above $100 to refill its leaking pockets.

    Russia & Iran are too happy to play along to fill their pockets with higher oil price artificially depressed by FUKUS to destroy their economy, & coup Venezuela.

    Losers are FUKUS, China & the world paying higher gas bill.

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    Israel is threatened by Iran's espousal of the Arabs in the occupied territories . Saudi Arabia is threatened by Iran's sponsoring of subversives in the kingdom, and rebels in Yemen. Russia is inconvenienced by the low oil prices that the Saudis are using to weaken Iran. If the US will only smash Iran, Israel can kick out the West Bank Arabs.Somewhat higher gas bills will follow, but be worth it to neutralise Jewish opposition to immigration restriction.
    , @Sean
    The dozens of Arab protester deaths at the border in Gaza today show just how urgent it is to get rid of the West Bank Arabs before they catch on and start copying the tactic. Smashing Iran is just a means to the end of getting Israel to expel the "Palestinians " to Jordan. If Israel ceases to be a Jewish state, the Diaspora will take a terrible revenge on the West.
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  190. ohmy says:

    Trump’s FICA score with the Zionist community is 900

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  191. vickpm says:

    Anyone opposed to withdrawing from the JCPOA refuses to understand how the world works. First you pro Iranian jihadists must realize that Zionists are aligned with the CIVILIZED world. Tjis means the world based on Jewish-Christian ethics and NOT sharia law. Obama & co. promoted anti Christian and anti Jewish influence to penetrate the US government. Pres. Trump is first and foremost anti jihad. Iran and mullahs have killed hundreds of US citizens. And these killings have taken place BEYOND and OUTSIDE the boundaries of Iran. No US soldier has set foot in Iran since the mullahs took over except for the ill fated hostage rescue attempt.

    Second Iran is an exporter of violent murderous exercises and operations BEYOND its borders. What is Iran doing in Syria – Yemen – Gaza – Lebanon? Why does she threaten Israel and USA? Death to Israel ….Death to America? What is that nonsense all about? You support that?

    Third what territory if Iran does Israel occupy? None! So why does Iran have any say about how Israel co ducts it’s affairs. Israel does not threaten Iran in any way.

    Fourth what about the Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs? Pres. Trump supports their anti jihad anti sharia aspirations. This is very good.

    I believe you support Iran because it is the only country that can threaten Israel. You poor things! The Iranian people want PEACE with Israel and the USA. Why are you opposed to that?

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    First you pro Iranian jihadists must realize that Zionists are aligned with the CIVILIZED world. This means the world based on Jewish-Christian ethics and NOT sharia law.
     
    There is no such thing as "Jewish-Christian" ethics, heritage, or whatever. This very term is just propaganda.
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  192. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    I don't see why they would all suddenly oppose immigration to the US just because of what Israel does
     
    They wouldn't, but bereft of the wherewithal of the whole Jewish community the liberal, leftist and anti national libertarian Jews would be a lot less loud in their pro-immigration agitation and op-ed editorializing. Repatriation of undocumented immigrants would become less controversial, if Israel had carried out outright expulsions.

    Take Jesse Helms as an example


    https://www.jta.org/1985/12/26/archive/behind-the-headlines-the-transformation-of-jesse-helms One of the most interesting developments of 1985 in Washington was the transformation of Sen. Jesse Helms (R. N. C.) from someone considered unfriendly to Israel to a strong supporter of the Jewish State. In fact, Helms, like several other conservative Senators and many in the Christian Right, believes Israel should maintain control of the West Bank.
     
    Liberals and especially the liberals Jews loathed and despised Helms for his positions on domestic matters, but the real danger to him came when the organised Jewish community ,which is viscerally pro Israel, identified him as an enemy of Israel. The Jews as id their habit coalesced in a block like like quicksilver when Israel was animadverted, and were mobilized to support the rival candidates for his seat, so he caved in and flipped over on Israel only. Result: the liberal estalishment were ineffective against Helms from that point on, because organised political Jewry had ceaced to regard him as an enemy of Israel and he was free to be as traditional and conservative as he liked on the really important issues.

    In every war very many thousands of innocent human beings including children will be killed, so sending people who travel on Jordanian passports, as the West bank Arabs do, to live in Jordan is hardly a terrible crime in the scheme of things . Of course you can just eschew interference in any other country and wait for the attack but most countries that have survived history do not behave in such a morally pure way. Unless you want to be a beautiful loser nation, waging aggressive war is necessary sometimes.

    There is going to be a major war in the middle east involving Israel soon. Israel (and the Saudis) powers have decided that Iran must be destroyed as This week in an article in the New Statesman someone who knows says Israel has decided a settling of accounts is coming in the shape of a majot war. he alsothinks the saudis want the same thing:-


    The former British ambassador in Riyadh John Jenkins argues that, behind its bluster, Saudi Arabia is a country that feels under grave threat from enemies both inside and out. Jenkins has been encouraged by broadcasters to condemn Saturday's execution of the Saudi cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, but he finds himself . . .

    [. . .] wondering what exactly it is that I and others are being invited to condemn. The fact of an execution, its nature, the Shia identity of the victim, his status as a cleric, that the Saudis still practise capital punishment, the nature of their judicial system, the timing of the act, the suspicion that it might undermine the peace process in Syria or infuriate Iran - or perhaps all of this and more?
     
    Yet condemnation without understanding is futile. It is not enough to say that this is simply the result of the ascendancy of a new set of inexperienced senior princes. The reasons for Saudi - and Iranian - actions are structural.

    Consider the context. Saudi Arabia feels with good reason more threatened than at any time in its modern history, at least since the subversive Kulturkampf of the 1950s and 1960s from Nasser's Egypt. This stems from five sources: first, the challenge of Sunni and largely Salafi jihadism; second, the sustained ideological and material challenge of the Islamic Republic of Iran; third, the collapse of large parts of the Middle East state system following the Arab spring; fourth, a sharp fall in global energy prices; and fifth, a sense that historical alliances - notably but not only with the United States - are fraying. .
     

    The Saudis want Iran smashed, the Israeli do too. The US will pull off a master stroke by obliging everyone-- even the Russians will not be unhappy. Liberal Jews will be muted in protest against US actions to further the interests of the Israel lobby, and denied the support of their wider, allegiant--to-Israel community, liberal Jews will not be so strident against the Western countries that they happily live in, or find themselves driving a taxi.

    I’m not convinced. Your view seems to assume that the American Jewish community is effectively monolithic and will tolerate anything and everything Israel does. This is obviously not true, as there already is a non-trivial segment of liberal American Jews who are outright hostile to Israel, and a sizable number of them who are quite critical of Israel. Most liberal American Jews are not beholden to the Israel lobby.

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    This is obviously not true, as there already is a non-trivial segment of liberal American Jews who are outright hostile to Israel, and a sizable number of them who are quite critical of Israel. Most liberal American Jews are not beholden to the Israel lobby.
     
    They are beholden to their community for being able to assume the role of imaginary victim, as when liberal Jews bleat about immigrants as if they were identical to those who were gassed by the Nazis, or Kagan tries to bring it in to thwart Trump. These are virtually points of constitutional law and authority, but those arguments are nullified by Trump having got the Israeli government on his side.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/05/wrecking-politicized-israel/
    This spring both wings of the Israel lobby, AIPAC on the right and J Street on the left, vowed that support for Israel must stay bipartisan. Trump’s Iran destruction has ended any hope that the two sides can stay synchronized. AIPAC is now making nice to Trump even as J Street is pledging resistance.

    Resistance means calling out Netanyahu and his neoconservative allies. It means identifying Israel’s very non-existential interest in destroying the Iran deal: because Iran and Hezbollah are a threat to its regional hegemony. It means making clear that when Trump says Iranian missiles threaten the U.S., he is parroting the lies of his dear friend Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu embodies the security state of Israel; his rightwing coalition is not going anywhere, and the center left mimics it. All those good leftists support the slaughter of unarmed Gaza protesters.

    Avenging the Iran deal means speaking plainly about Netanyahu’s influence in our politics. Obama defeated Netanyahu three years ago. Now Netanyahu has defeated Obama. In the wreckage lies the outline of a strategy. Resisting Trump means resisting Israel.
     

    Exactly and that is why anyone who ressists trump gets pegged as a self -hating Jew. J-Street can't get change of dime and liberal Jews are not lining up to do a Weiss and commit careericide.

    The American Jewish community is effectively monolithic inasmuch it goes along with the Israeli leadership. If the Israeli leadership endorse Trump that makes him a hard target. If Trump levies all out war on Iran with the objective of doing an Iraq on Iran the "palestinians" of Jordan's occupied territories will revolt at the prospect of losing their last militant supporter state. Iran will activate its proxies to destablise Jordan which will bring Israel into the conflict, thereby providing chaos and a deadly threat to Israels security on three sides and within that can justify the transfer of West Bank Arabs back to the country whose passports the travel on: Jordan.

    Trump has already moved the US embassy, thus marking Israel's card as to the unqualified support it can count on. The West Bank Arabs and their globalist liberal backers, Jewish or not, can't oppose a Israel's policies once a war starts. Trump is signalling an upcoming attack on Iran, and the onset of a Middle East war to settle everything to Israel and the Sunnis satisfaction. Israel knows what it must do. The liberal of the diaspora will be unable to mount meaningful resistance to Israel or Trump

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  193. @anonymous
    [It’s also kind of odd that, while Reza Pahlavi is seen as a Western stooge from this viewpoint because of the 1953 coup to restore him to power, and because of his agreement to implement the oil company consortium, no one ever brings up the fact that he was initially installed as the leader of Iran after the previous shah was deposed by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (a neutral country at the time) in 1941. Though that seems to be ignored by both the leftist and mainstream narratives of Iranian history…]

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not
    REZA SHAH. Reza shah was his FATHER and was overthrown by British and soviet cooperation (read Russia) as USUAL, where his fault was his neutrality against Germany, although Reza Shah was installed by British. Reza Shah and Iran was humiliated by both the British and the Soviets, therefore he preferred to be neutral, where is not accepted if you are not strong and a colony. You have to fight for the interest of the Evil Empire. If anyone is familiar with the end of WWI and German final status given by the brutal British and Americans, then would NOT BE SURPRISED IF GERMANY WANTS TO CHANGE ITS VICTIMHOOD.

    [ When did the legacy media first start portraying the Shah as an evil oppressor, and SAVAK as the modern equivalent of the Cheka? Nearly 100 people were executed for political reasons during the last 20 years of the Shah’s rule — how does this compare to the early years of the “Islamic Republic?” Or to any other authoritarian regime picked at random from around the world during the same period? More Iranians were killed during Khomeini’s first month in power than in the Shah’s 37-year reign. But muh ebil SAVAK, tho.]

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    The evil empire, US and his dog Zionists, have killed more than a millions Iranians in Iraq alone. More than 50,000 Iranian soldiers were burned to death in the war that US and neocons, like Kissinger, using your puppet, Saddam Hussein later killed after US used him against Iran but could not topple Iranian government. Kissinger said: LET’S KILL EACH OTHER and I add, let’s kill each other to sell more weapons to be used against each other to protect our arm industry, then the looser will be removed by our invasion. Now, stupid Arab head of state, don’t learn that Saudi Arabia is NEXT after the west use their wealth and send their sons and fathers to fight for their interests, then they can easily execute them, like Saddam and Qaddafi, using slogan like ‘freedom and democracy’. It may happens during our life time that MBS and his traitor family be assassinated by the same evil empire.

    Also, Saddam/US/Israel, used trained Mossad/CIA MEK , Iranian terrorists organization, supported by criminals such as Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, to invade Iran to overthrow the Government, but could not. Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, Mek, but many of MEK were killed, and many more arrested, later executed.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/john-bolton-cheerleader-for-the-mek/


    [“Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”]

    Houchang Nahavandi was a corrupt and SAVAK man who enriched himself by serving the dictator and puppet of the Evil Empire. The illiterate people must know that the evil empire wanted to bring down Soviet Union, thus a “COLD WAR” established. Iran as a colony with American Bases and the Shah as a servant - had to obey to serve the interest of the master NOT IRANIAN PEOPLE, thus, the Shah would kill every opposition group, where these people were first and most nationalists and wanted the interest of Iran. The United States focused on the ‘communist’ thus, THE LEFT WAS A TARGET, but the Islamic opposition had easier time, although they were also the target. Many Iranian leaders in the government had imprisoned durifng the terror era of the Shah, The Israel and US puppet.
    Imam Khomeini, Suprem leader Khamenei, Bazargan, and many more all served time under the US/Israel puppet, the Shah. The Shah had to follow the ORDERS to SAVE IRANIANS FROM ‘communism’, therefore, many programs including Torture, imprisonment, assassination, rapes conducted by an organization called SAVAK, created and trained by US and Israel. An atmosphere FAR WORST THAN McCarthy era in the United States.

    Israelis were heavily involved in the training of assassins, torturer and traitors. Americans provided the dictator shah with weapons of mass destruction and charged poor Iran billions of dollars for the weapons that Iran didn’t need but was used against the civil population to serve the interest of US and Israel. Iran was sending Iranians to fight in Oman, for the interest of the Evil Empire and its extension Zionist Jews, like Saudi Arabia the puppet, Do you know the history of Iran?

    [Here’s a relatively early piece along those lines, showing the beginnings of the “human rights” and “corruption” narrative with respect to the Shah’s government, and a surprising degree of honesty from Wallace r.e. Jewish control of US media and politics.]

    Are you that illiterate not knowing that NYT is USG propagandists and Zionist interest protector? The horror situation in Iran was created and maintained by US/Israel hegemony vision and theoreticians such as Brzezinski and Kissinger. Now the Zionist agents are trying to save the criminals.
    The use of ‘Persian empire’ to frighten dummies was FIRST PROMOTED BY the Known Zionist Jew, William Safire at the NYF, where he is in his grave now.

    No Iranians believe the rubbish that is coming from the mouth of the president like ‘freedom’, ‘human rights’, because all these propaganda ARE PART OF THE SOFT POWER of the foreign policy.
    As jack dresser writes:
    [In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and destroyed Iranian democracy to maintain Western control of Iran’s oil industry, then installed Shah Pahlavi and his brutal Savak-enforced police state for a quarter century as a bastion of US power in Central Asia until overthrown by a popular revolution in 1979. Given US stakes in control of the region, holding US embassy hostages seemed sensible at that time to discourage US military intervention, but the Iranian people have been punished by sanctions ever since including billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets and a 40% reduction in Iranian oil exports.
    Iran is not an aggressor nation, having invaded no other country for over 200 years. US and Israeli intelligence services – supported by the IAEA – acknowledge that NPT-signatory Iran has no nuclear weapons program, and moreover, would pose no military threat even with nukes. They are neither crazy nor suicidal. In contrast, NPT non-signatory Israel has repeatedly attacked and occupied territories of all its contiguous neighbors throughout its brief 67-year history and is the only nuclear threat in the region with both land- and sea-based missile delivery systems. ]

    It was Brzezinski, Carter’s Advisor, who was trying to win the ‘cold war’ using Islamist against Russia, thus, the CIA arming of Islamist extremists, including Al Qaeda, in fomenting the war in Afghanistan to force them out. Brzezinski said: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

    It is stupid to think that Shah thought Kissinger was his ‘friend’. The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest. The western power, always think, first and most, about their interests. THEY DON’T HAVE FRIENDS, only INTEREST.

    So, the United States ALWAYS keep relations with the opposition groups, although they pretend that are your supporters, and act on time against you. So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah, to bring Islamists to power against Soviet Union, using the discontent In Iran. Khomeini was not dummy. He USED both Iranian CIA agents to come to power with the help of the Iranian people, a popular revolution, who hated the Shah, and then Khomeini executed Qotbzadeh, who tried to stage a coup against Iranian government on CIA behalf, and isolated Ebrahim Yazdi until hid death two years ago.

    First, get your history straight. The Shah during 1953 was MOHAMMAD REZA SHAH, not REZA SHAH bla bla bla

    Yeah, somehow lost a word in that one. So? The meaning is clear from the context, and my point remains valid. The last Shah began his rule in 1941, not 1953. He was installed as ruler in 1941 after the previous shah (his father, as you note) was overthrown by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion.

    Or if you are attempting to make a non-trivial point, are you seriously attempting to claim that the last shah’s father was deposed in 1941, and that Mohammed Reza Pahlavi did not come to power until 1953? If that is the case, then just who was the ruler of Iran from 1941 to 1953, hmm?

    I must tell to agent of both Zionist and imperialist saves, that your history does not worth even a penny.
    I am not going to give you sources to read to know how liar you are. You must do some reading before writing one penny comments. It is obvious that this is a lie.

    lol “You’re WRONG!!! Because… MUH FEELZ!!!”

    Clearly an irrefutable “argument.”
    It really appears that your emotional incontinence is interfering with your feeble attempts at “reasoning” here. Calm down.

    US and his dog Zionists

    You’ve got the causality (and the relationship) reversed here, btw. You know that, right?

    Although many Iranians were killed by YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

    My terrorist organization? Am I supposed to be its leader? A member? Just curious as to the exact parameters of this particular delusion…

    The Shah was NOT STUPID, that’s why he was suspicious of everyone, and always frighten that the West, US this time, going to topple him for its interest.

    Wait, I thought the Shah was simply an evil stooge of the CIA and muh “Anglo-Zionist Empire?” Now he’s actually an independent actor, who has some concern for his own country? Make up your mind here.

    So there were number of Iranian Islamist traitors and CIA agents, like Sadegh Qotbzadeh and Ebrahim Yazdi, who were close to Khomeini and assisted him come to power, were chosen topple the Shah

    This is part of my basic point, of course. That the simplistic demonization of the Shah, and the repetition of atrocity propaganda, is simply part of the narrative shift associated with the decision to back Khomeini to overthrow him. The Shah was not a literal devil, or a mere US puppet, just as Khomeini was not an angel who flew down from heaven to save Iran by the force of his sheer moral authority and the “power of the people” or some such nonsense, in the total absence of outside support. It’s not hard, really. For those able to conceive of the world in terms beyond the constraints of the current narrative, that is.

    And who establishes and promotes the current narrative? Would any major media outlet disagree with your insistence on the compulsory demonization of the Shah? Who controls the international media again? Surely not dem ebil debils, da “Anglo-Zionists.” Wait a minute…

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  194. Iran and mullahs have killed hundreds of US citizens. And these killings have taken place BEYOND and OUTSIDE the boundaries of Iran.

    Wait, so it’s Iran that’s training all of those Salafist imams, founding and supporting their madrassas and mosques in Europe and the US, and funding Salafist terrorist groups so they can carry out terrorist attacks in the West? Who knew?

    Kinda strange that they would do that, being Shiites and all…

    Then again, clearly it couldn’t be our Second Greatest Ally™ behind all of these Salafist groups that carry out 95%+ of the Muslim terrorist attacks in the West, now could it?

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    Thank you for your comment:

    [The last Shah began his rule in 1941, not 1953. He was installed as ruler in 1941 after the previous shah (his father, as you note) was overthrown by the joint Anglo-Soviet invasion.]

    In 1941 allied powers and Soviets invaded Iran and forced Reza Shah to abdicate in favor of his son Mohammed Reza Shah as the leader, as a constitutional monarch like Queen Elizabeth in England, where should not manipulate members of the parliament or election cycle, but he DID.


    [Despite his vow to act as a constitutional monarch who would defer to the power of the parliamentary government, Mohammad Reza increasingly involved himself in governmental affairs and opposed or thwarted strong prime ministers. Prone to indecision, however, Mohammad Reza relied more on manipulation than on leadership. He concentrated on reviving the army and ensuring that it would remain under royal control as the monarchy's main power base.]


    In the beginning, Mosaddegh liked the Shah and wanted to help him. Mosaddegh was educated in Switzerland and was a democrat and nationalist who wanted a better deal from the British who had hold of Iranian oil resources and territories for a long time due to Reuter Concession signed in 1872 and D'Arcy Concession.
    Reuter concession was a contract signed in 1872 between Baron Julius de Reuter), a British–Jewish banker and businessman, and Nasir al-Din Shah, Qajar king of Persia(Iran). The concession gave him control over Persian roads, telegraphs, mills, factories, extraction of resources, and other public works in exchange for a stipulated sum for 5 years and 60% of all the net revenue for 20 years. The concession was so immense that even imperialists like Lord Curzon characterized it as the most complete grant ever made of control of resources by any country to a foreigner. The deal was cancelled due to people protest.

    Later, in 1908, D'Arcy Concession a petroleum oil concession signed between William Knox D'Arcy and Mozzafar al-Din, Shah of Persia. The oil concession gave D'Arcy the exclusive rights to prospect for oil in Iran.
    Mossadegh was a member of Parliament and later a prime minister during Mohammad Reza Shah, decided to work for the interest of the Iranian people. Iranian people were robed and left hungry due to these debilitating concessions.
    Mosaddegh tried to work with the British, but it did not go anywhere. America was very popular in Iran at the time, because the dominant empire was British. So Mosaddegh TRUSTED America, where soon he found out that it was stupid of him to trust a power.
    Mosaddegh traveled to America to seek American Assistant, Dwight D. Eisenhower, but they did not help him, instead they overthrow him. Americans saw the opportunity having access to Iran oils, gas and market.


    [My terrorist organization? Am I supposed to be its leader?]

    It is NOT you. I am talking about the west and its terrorist organization, MEK - that is trained by CIA/Mossad funded by Saudis, the same as Al Qaeda- is loved by John Bolton advising Trump.


    [Wait, I thought the Shah was simply an evil stooge of the CIA and muh “Anglo-Zionist Empire?”]


    The Shah was put in power by British when he was only 21 years old. He was not stupid as a person, but as a puppet put into power by foreigner not recognizing his boundary as a monarch and wanted to influence in politics to please Americans to keep him in power, yes, he was stupid. He tortured and killed many Iranians who wanted nothing but well being of Iran to help AMERICAN COLD WAR AGAINST SOVIET UNION. Later, he was kicked out by the same savages who put him into power.

    American policy shifted , thus, he was not the desirable pawn anymore in 1979 because US wanted Soviet be surrounded by Islamist enemies.

    This does not mean that Khomeini was a traitor. Khomeini was very smart to capture the opportunity and used the CIA agents to his advantage knowing well that he cannot trust these individuals. His views was known about Imperialism and have many famous speeches that bring tear to any person eye when he talked about the influence of the foreigners on Iranian society, market and politics. Khomenie used these Iranians close to CIA but he NEVER TRUSTED THEM.

    Khomeini’s slogan always was NEITHER THE WEST, NOR THE EAST (Russia) due to the treatment of Iran by the western powers and Russia, extremely brutal.
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  195. Sean says:
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    No all out war with Iran, FUKUS & Israel know it long ago the price to pay fighting a nation like well prepared war harden Iran /NK is impossible, well beyond Iraq $5T, with lot of casualties & destroyed Israel. Any nuke attack will engulf Israel too, and hard for the world to support.

    Iran is a much bigger & stronger country than Iraq, with all its people willing to die defending. It had proven its fighting spirit in Iraq war. It has enough missiles ability to inflict serious damage to FUKUS military present in ME, and Israel/KSA for sure.

    Hence Nethanyahoo is posturing only by bombing Iran position in Syria, not directly into Iran to spark a war. Iran is also posturing by threatening to retaliate with no direct hit back. Both have guns pointed at each other head shouting, it doesn't matter whose gun is bigger.

    Israel hope is a complete sanction to forever weaken Iran until opportunity arise, or let FUKUS die fighting for it. What is good for a world with a ruined Israel?

    KSA knew its days is numbered, Houthis war has exposed its complete useless army & bleeding its reserved to near bankruptcy while oil price is depressed. So its cheering FUKUS& Israel to die fighting Iran, the tension is enough to surge oil above $100 to refill its leaking pockets.

    Russia & Iran are too happy to play along to fill their pockets with higher oil price artificially depressed by FUKUS to destroy their economy, & coup Venezuela.

    Losers are FUKUS, China & the world paying higher gas bill.

    Israel is threatened by Iran’s espousal of the Arabs in the occupied territories . Saudi Arabia is threatened by Iran’s sponsoring of subversives in the kingdom, and rebels in Yemen. Russia is inconvenienced by the low oil prices that the Saudis are using to weaken Iran. If the US will only smash Iran, Israel can kick out the West Bank Arabs.Somewhat higher gas bills will follow, but be worth it to neutralise Jewish opposition to immigration restriction.

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    Why are these happening? Bcos Israel & KSA are the nest of global terrorism & source of ME problem. Anglozionist FUKUS-Israel are the true mother behind all terrorists. KSA wahabism is juz a tool used by anglozionist FUKUS-Israel to radicalize Sunni Muslims into its foot soldiers to invade the Arab & world.

    Its a old anglo-British divide & rule trick, splitting Muslims along Sunni-Shiah line to let them fight among themselves, drying their oil wealth in exchange for West weapons. Part of Israel Yinon plan to weaken ME countries before grabbing their lands freely.

    Iran is not a race that will take these anglozionist murderous acts lying down. Hence a Pan Shiah Muslims struggle against Anglozionist & wahabism (Al Queda - ISIS) existential threat.

    They are in fact doing a service to the world now to cleanse us from the toxic evil Anglozionist-KSA, as wahabi terrorism already infested everywhere.

    When Israel & KSA cry out Iran's threat, they are robbers crying robbery.

    The oil price suppressed thru KSA is not for Iran(sanction is more effective), its anglozionist plot to crush Russia, but China help Russia to survive & remodel their economy. Now anglozionist finding it useless to damage Russia, decided to swing back to high oil price to damage China again while refill their empty pockets. This swing game has been going around for last 2 decades.

    Price Up - Russia & Iran win, Down- China & world win. So anglozionist are unhappy both way.

    When FUKUS cry out China's threat, they are bandits crying robbery.
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