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On Sunday, Former CIA Director John Brennan and Former National Intelligence Director (NID) James Clapper appeared on CNN’s morning talk show, State of the Union, to discuss Donald Trump’s brief meeting with Vladimir Putin in Vietnam. The two ex-Intel chiefs were sharply critical of Trump and wondered why the president did not “not acknowledge and embrace” the idea that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections. According to Brennan, Russia not only “poses a national security problem” for the US, but also “Putin is committed to undermining our system, our democracy, and our whole process.”

Naturally, CNN anchor, Jake Tapper, never challenged Brennan or Clapper on any of the many claims they made regarding Russia nor did he interrupt either man while they made, what appeared to be, carefully scripted remarks about Trump, Putin and the ongoing investigation.

There were no surprise announcements during the interview and neither Brennan or Clapper added anything new to the list of allegations that have been repeated ad nauseam in the media for the last year. The only time Tapper veered off course at all was when he asked Brennan whether he thought “any laws were broken by the Trump campaign? Here’s what Brennan said:

I’m just a former intelligence officer. I never had the responsibility for determining whether or not criminal actions were taken. But, since leaving office on the 20th of January, I think more and more of this iceberg is emerging above the surface of the water, some of the things that I knew about, but some of the things I didn’t know about, in terms of some of the social media efforts that Russia employed. So, I think what Bob Mueller, who, again, is another quintessential public servant, is doing is trying to get to the bottom of this. And I think we’re going to find out how large this iceberg really is.

In other words, after an arduous 12 month-long investigation involving both Houses of Congress, a Special Counsel, and a small army of high-paid Washington attorneys, the only straw Brennan has found to hold on to, is a few innocuous advertisements posted on Facebook and Twitter that had no noticeable impact on the election at all. That’s a very weak foundation upon which to build a case for foreign espionage or presidential collusion. It’s hard not to conclude that the public has been seriously misled by the leaders of this campaign.

The Intel bosses continue to believe that they can overcome the lack of evidence by repeating the same claims over and over again. The problem with this theory is that Brennan’s claims don’t match the findings of his own “Gold Standard” report, the so called Intelligence Community Assessment or ICA which was published on January 6, 2017 and which supposedly provides rock solid evidence of Russian meddling. The greatly over-hyped ICA proves nothing of the kind, in fact, the report features a sweeping disclaimer that cautions readers against drawing any rash conclusions from the analysts observations. Here’s the money-quote from the report:

Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents.

So, while Brennan continues to insist that the Kremlin was involved in the elections, his own analysts suggest that any such judgments should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Nothing is certain, information is “incomplete or fragmentary”, and the entire report is based on what-amounts-to ‘educated guesswork.’ Is Brennan confused about the report’s findings or is he deliberately trying to mislead the American people about its conclusions?

Here’s Brennan again on Sunday:

I think Mr. Trump knows that the intelligence agencies, specifically CIA, NSA and FBI, the ones that really have responsibility for counterintelligence and looking at what Russia does, it’s very clear that the Russians interfered in the election. And it’s still puzzling as to why Mr. Trump does not acknowledge that and embrace it, and also push back hard against Mr. Putin. The Russian threat to our democracy and our democratic foundations is real.

There appears to be a significant discrepancy between Brennan’s unshakable belief in Russian intervention and the findings of his own “hand picked” analysts who said with emphatic clarity:

Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.

Why is it so hard for Brennan to wrap his mind around that simple, unambiguous statement?

The reason Brennan’s intelligence analysts admit that they have no proof, is because they have no proof. That might sound obvious, but we have to assume that it isn’t given that both Houses of Congress and a Special Counsel are still bogged down in an investigation that has yet to provide even a solid lead let alone any compelling evidence.

We also have to assume that most people do not understand that there is not sufficient evidence to justify the massive investigations that are currently underway. (What probable cause?) Adds placed in Facebook do not constitute hard evidence of foreign espionage or election rigging. They indicate the desperation of the people who are leading the investigation. The fact that serious people are even talking about social media just underscores the fact that the search for proof has produced nothing.

These investigations are taking place because powerful elites want to vilify an emerging geopolitical rival (Russia) and prevent Trump from normalizing relations with Moscow, not because there is any evidence of criminal wrongdoing. As the Intel analysts themselves acknowledge, there is no proof of criminal wrongdoing or any other wrongdoing for that matter. What there is, is a political agenda to discredit Trump and demonize Russia. That’s the fuel that is driving the present campaign.

Russia-gate is not about ‘meddling’, it’s about politics. And Brennan and Clapper are critical players in the current drama. They’re supposed to be the elder statesmen who selflessly defend the country from foreign threats. But are they or is this just role-playing that doesn’t square with what we already know about the two men? Here’s thumbnail sketch of Clapper written by former-CIA officer Ray McGovern that will help to clarify the point:

Clapper played a key role in the bogus Iraq-WMD intelligence when he was head of the National Geo-spatial Agency and hid the fact that there was zero evidence in satellite imagery of any weapons of mass destruction before the Iraq invasion. When no WMDs were found, Clapper told the media that he thought they were shipped off to Syria.

In 2013, Clapper perjured himself before Congress by denying NSA’s unconstitutional blanket surveillance of Americans. After evidence emerged revealing the falsity of Clapper’s testimony, he wrote a letter to Congress admitting, “My response was clearly erroneous – for which I apologize.” ….

Clapper also has demonstrated an ugly bias about Russians. On May 28, as a former DNI, Clapper explained Russian “interference” in the U.S. election to NBC’s Chuck Todd on May 28 with a tutorial on what everyone should know about “the historical practices of the Russians.” Clapper said, “the Russians, typically, are almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique.” (“Mocking Trump Doesn’t Prove Russia’s Guilt”, Ray McGovern, Consortium News)

So, Clapper concealed information that could have slowed or prevented the rush to war in Iraq. That’s a significant failing on his part that suggests either poor judgment or moral weakness. Which is it?

He also lied about spying on the American people. Why? Why would he do that? And why should we trust someone who not only spied on us but also paved the way to war in Iraq?

And the rap-sheet on Brennan is even worse than Clapper’s. Check out this blurb from Glenn Greenwald at The Guardian:

“Brennan, as a Bush-era CIA official, had expressly endorsed Bush’s programs of torture (other than waterboarding) and rendition and also was a vocal advocate of immunizing lawbreaking telecoms for their role in the illegal Bush NSA eavesdropping program……

Obama then appointed him as his top counter-terrorism adviser…. In that position, Brennan last year got caught outright lying when he claimed Obama’s drone program caused no civilian deaths in Pakistan over the prior year….

Brennan has also been in charge of many of Obama’s most controversial and radical policies, including “signature strikes” in Yemen – targeting people without even knowing who they are – and generally seizing the power to determine who will be marked for execution without any due process, oversight or transparency…..” (“John Brennan’s extremism and dishonesty rewarded with CIA Director nomination”, Glenn Greenwald, The Guardian)

So, Brennan supported kidnapping (rendition), torture (enhanced interrogation techniques) and targeted assassinations (drone attacks). And this is the man we are supposed to trust about Russia?

Keep in mind, the jihadist militants that have been tearing apart Syria for the last six years were armed and trained by the CIA. Brennan’s CIA.

These radical militias have been defeated largely due to Russian military intervention. Do you think that this defeat at the hands of Putin may have shaped Brennan’s attitude towards Russia?

Of course, it has. Brennan never makes any attempt to conceal his hatred for Putin or Russia.

As we noted earlier, Brennan and Clapper are central figures in the Russia-gate story, but their records show we can’t trust what they have to say. They are like the eyewitness in a murder trial whose testimony is ‘thrown out’ because he is exposed as a compulsive liar. The same rule applies to Clapper and Brennan, that is, when the main proponents of the Russia hacking story are shown to be untrustworthy, we must discount what they have to say.

Which is why the Russia-gate narrative is beginning to unravel.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].

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  1. FAKE NEWS

    IT’S OK TO BE WHITE

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    What is that having to do with the content of Mr. Whitney's good article?

    Mr. Whitney, to me you are of the quarter or less of Counterpunch writers who are to making sense most of the time.

    . . . and am always liking your writing style.

    Trump could have been or be a great pres. of your nation, but between dropping advisors for no good reason, becoming frightened and drawing away from his desire for rapprochement with the Russian Federation, worst of all, from this distant perspective, to appointing his daughter and son-in-law as senior advisors. Both are overpriveleged morons.
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  2. What!!!! Someone from the management of an intelligence agency lying? I’m shocked!

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    Why should we care if the russians spent billions on trying to exert their influence on us, we do it we have an alphabet soup of projects to do exactly that and god knows what else to every nation on earth.In fact we do it to our own people these social websites and "news" sites universities media etc are nothing but one huge propaganda machine intended to render democracy nothing more than a distraction so elites can go about doing what they want.
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  3. Dan Hayes says:

    From the presented evidence: Serial Fabricators!

    I have much more confidence in the veracity of used car salesmen than that of Messrs. Brennan and Clapper.

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  4. m___ says:

    Fake news, …and stale news. By when an algorithm of gogGles to “clean” the internet of current house-hold garbage?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Boycott Google!!!!

    They clearly can not be trusted. Do you want to find only the websites that Google wants you to see? Then use a Google Search engine.

    Don't search on Google.

    --- There are other search engines out there. But some of the ones that claim to preserve your privacy from Google's ever present snooping still search on Google. They just hide your IP by searching through another website. But there are other search engines out there that offer unbiased and uncensored searching.

    Also, don't use Gmail.

    -- Google spies on everything you say. That's not really a secret. They do it to make money selling y our info to advertising. Don't be surprised if after you tell your parents the happy news that they will soon have a grandchild if every Google ad on every webpage you visit wants to sell you baby furniture and baby food and lots of other baby stuff.

    Don't use Google drive or spreadsheets or docs.

    --- Again, Google spies on all of this to make money for themselves by selling your secrets.

    Find other video venues than YouTube.

    --- You are going to have to anyways, now that Google is actively censoring the content. Clearly, if you want to see anything that Google doesn't want you to see, you are going to have to find alternatives to Youtube .... and they are there.
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  5. Becoming friends with Russia, the only potential enemy available, would destroy the MIC. A real possibility the Washington establishment will never allow to happen.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    The US, Russian Federation, and the Nuland-Kagan revolution in Kiev in 2014:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-truth-about-ukraine-italian-documentary-bombshell-evidence-kiev-euromaidan-snipers-kill-demonstrators/5619684
    "The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) last week, still have not paved its way to the international mainstream media. ...
    The documentary features Alexander Revazishvili, Koba Nergadze and Zalogi Kvaratskhelia, Georgian military officers... They claim that on Jan 15, 2014 they landed in Kiev equipped with fake documents... Having received 1000 USD each one and being promised to be paid 5000 USD after the “job is done”, they were tasked to prepare sniper positions inside the buildings of Hotel Ukraine and Conservatory, dominant over the Maidan Square. …Along with other snipers (some of them were Lithuanians) they were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger. The coordinating team also included Mamulashvili and infamous Segrey Pashinsky, who was detained by protesters on Feb 18, 2017 with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car... The weapons came on stage on February 18 and were distributed to the various Georgian and Lithuanian groups. “There were three or four weapons in each bag, there were Makarov guns, AKM guns, rifles, and a lot of cartridges.” – witnesses Nergadze.
    The following day, Mamulashvili and Pashinsky explained to snipers that they should shoot at the square and sow chaos.
    “I listened to the screams,” recalls Revazishvili. “There were many dead and injured downstairs. My first and only thought was to leave in a hurry before they caught up with me. Otherwise, they would tear me apart.”
    Four years later, Revazishvili and his two companions report they have not yet received the promised 5000 USD bills as a payment and have decided to tell the truth about those who “used and abandoned” them."

    Well... that was a clear picture of a sausage-making during the US-sponsored regime change in Ukraine.
    The neo-Nazi in the US-supported "government" in Kiev came about naturally.

    , @Anon
    An addition to the previous post.
    The Maidan revolution and its neo-Nazi consequence makes an amazing monument to the Kagans' clan:

    "Thousands of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists marched in Kiev, Thursday, celebrating the 106th birthday of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) leader Stepan Bandera [famous Nazis collaborator]. Among the main organisers were representatives of Right Sector and Svoboda." https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a7_1420142767#gDHooVSL6b0yQ1SG.99
    "Members of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Azov volunteer battalion and their ultranationalist civilian sympathizers have conducted a torchlit procession in the center of the eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, held under the slogan “coming after you!” http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_72571.shtml
    "A leader of Ukrainian Jewry condemned the hosting in Lviv of a festival celebrating a Nazi collaborator on the anniversary of a major pogrom against the city’s Jews." http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ukraine-city-to-hold-festival-in-honor-of-Nazi-collaborator-498159
    The wide-spread desecration of Jewish cemetries by Ukrainian thugs (a post-Maidan phenomenon) has spilled to Poland: "Yet another case of vandalism by Ukrainian nationalists is on the record in Poland. This time, an old Jewish cemetery in Kraków became the target of thugs from the neighboring state. The graves of Polish Jews who died over a century ago were destroyed by those hot-blood Ukrainians." https://www.reddit.com/r/antisemitism/comments/5npnj5/ukrainian_nationalists_stand_behind_desecration/
    "Vandals desecrated the Korinovskaya Jewish Cemetery in Kiev. They destroyed two entire sections: 27 and 28. These acts of vandalism are very systematic: every night they destroy one or two headstones. According to the elderly women who look after the place, these vandals are usually drunken youths who come there to wreak destruction. The Zaddik of Chernobyl is buried in this cemetery. These vandals destroyed his gravestone, smearing Satanic Cult symbols on it." http://antisemitism.org.il/article/58386/ukraine-8211-desecration-jewish-cemetery-kiev

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  6. Che Guava says:
    @WorkingClass
    FAKE NEWS

    IT'S OK TO BE WHITE

    What is that having to do with the content of Mr. Whitney’s good article?

    Mr. Whitney, to me you are of the quarter or less of Counterpunch writers who are to making sense most of the time.

    . . . and am always liking your writing style.

    Trump could have been or be a great pres. of your nation, but between dropping advisors for no good reason, becoming frightened and drawing away from his desire for rapprochement with the Russian Federation, worst of all, from this distant perspective, to appointing his daughter and son-in-law as senior advisors. Both are overpriveleged morons.

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  7. Clapper is a befuddled old fool and can be safely ignored. Brennan is something far more sinister. He is an extreme leftist and there should be an investigation into how this wacko was allowed to join the CIA – he openly admits voting for CPUSA chief Gus Hall in 1976. Brennan is, besides, a resentful CIA failure. He was denied entry to the elite Directorate of Operations (or couldn’t cut the mustard and was banished from it) and spent his career stewing away in anger as a despised analyst at CIA headquarters. Brennan spent his time at CIA attempting to undermine the organization. Pompeo should have reversed every single thing he did the minute he took office, starting with firing every CIA employee brought into the Agency by Brennan (this can be done – CIA employees have no Civil Service protection). That Brennan is still at large after his outrageous involvement in the phoney Russia dossier is an indictment of Jeff Sessions, Trump, the DOJ and the FBI. He could be indicted on a host of Federal charges if somebody had the guts to do it.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    Clapper is a befuddled old fool and can be safely ignored. Brennan is something far more sinister.
     
    Clapper told some whoppers while he was head of all our intelligence agencies under Obama. But you are correct that Brennan is far more toxic. He was this way under Obama and post-Obama. He has been one of the biggest Trump saboteurs. And most effective. One ugly customer!
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  8. The umpteenth version of a now standard article. We all know that the Russiagate narrative isn’t starting to unravel and this and other (wholly untrustworthy) internet authors’ claims are not proved by simply repeating them over and over again (to borrow a phrase!). In fact, Russiagate is expanding. It has gone from mere Russian interference in the election to dubious financial transactions between wealthy Americans, including Trump, and, to put it very politely, “dubious” Russians. It has also expanded to Europe. What is emerging, therefore, is a collusion between wealthy Americans, no doubt with major investments in Russia, US internet sites, probably financed by the aforementioned wealthy Americans, dubious Russian financiers, Putin, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage and no doubt others to manipulate, perhaps rig, elections and referenda in the US and Europe. It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.
    We also get the now standard argument that Trump is just dying to “normalize” relations with Russia but is being held back by some dastardly group or other. As we all know, of course, “normalizing relations with Moscow” in Orwellian translates into English as “capitulating to Putin in Ukraine”. Putin’s frantic attempts to get Trump to let him win in Syria is why this old line is suddenly back on the table.
    Finally, the idea of the Russian Federation as an emerging geopolitical rival is amusing. That country has existed as a sovereign state only for about 25 years and is merely the largest piece of wreckage from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In a world that is slowly being dominated by China, Russia is a very minor player.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.
     
    And since when are the three not related?

    It's too bad that good people, like MW, need to waste their time and energy investigating and publishing what's obviously state sponsored utter rubbish designed to support some of the money bag crowd in one way or another.

    Why does it even need to be stated that most of what's supposed to be a big deal to us prols, peasants and piss ants is nothing but propaganda, and of a particularly transparent and low grade variety,even?
    , @jilles dykstra
    Capitulating to Putin in Ukraine.
    The assertion is that the CIA spent five billion dollar in Ukraine in order to overthrow the legitimate democratic geovernment.
    Of course nobody can prove the assertion.
    What is crystal clear is that the members of EU parliament Verhofstadt, Van Baalen and Timmermans held speeches in Kiev urging the people to overthrow the government.
    Their speeches could be seen live on tv, or were rebroadcast.
    Timmermans held the crocodile tears speech at the UN about the MH17 victims.
    How, why, and through whom over 300 people were killed in Ukraine airspace we do not know until now.
    All there is is vague insinuations towards Russia, the country for which the disaster was a disaster, EU sanctions all of a sudden were possible.
    That the political annexation by the west failed is best seen in E Ukraine, where the wealth is, in gas and oil.
    A son, and a son in law, of Biden, and Kerry were promised well paid jobs as CEO's of companies who were to exploit the E Ukrainian wealth, they are still waiting for the jobs.
    , @WHAT
    "Let him win in Syria"?

    Dude, it`s like the first legit amusing line from you. Now bring another!

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  9. Professional liars. But, there was some question/doubt about this?

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  10. Brennan and Clapper are agent provocateurs for the Zionists who control the U.S. government and the 17 gestapo agencies which in fact are controlled by dual citizen Zionists ie ISRAEL.

    Brennan and Clapper are under Zionist control and thus are traitors to the constitution of America and should be tried and sent to prison for life.

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    The facts support this viewpoint, including the dual citizen element of it. By the way, I oppose the death penalty except if it is applied to major serial war criminals. I recognize that all legal systems are too corrupt to be given the power of life and death, and that this is particularly true of the US system, which sets the benchmark for corruption. The corruption of the US political system, meanwhile, is revealed by the fact that this absurd Russiagate story is still being peddled and is accepted as received wisdom despite the manifold evidence proving its absurd falsity. What the article shows is that Clapper and Brennan are serial war criminals and that their latest gambit threatens our very existence. We would be better off if the utopia of a legal system incorruptible enough to allow for the death penalty did exist in the US rather than the corrupt system allowing somebody like Mueller to act extra-legally on this absurd basis was continuing in operation. By the way, the Canadian satellite media is still publishing stories trying to resuscitate the Steele dossier paid by the DNC and the yankee government as factual. The whole thing would be comical if it were not deadly serious. Those still backing the story publicly are either dangerously deluded or criminal themselves.
    , @Druid
    Desert fox, agree completely. The Talmudists Ziofascist s are the biggest threat the world has faced forever. Now they have the US intheir clutches. What a state of affairs!!!!
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  11. @Michael Kenny
    The umpteenth version of a now standard article. We all know that the Russiagate narrative isn’t starting to unravel and this and other (wholly untrustworthy) internet authors’ claims are not proved by simply repeating them over and over again (to borrow a phrase!). In fact, Russiagate is expanding. It has gone from mere Russian interference in the election to dubious financial transactions between wealthy Americans, including Trump, and, to put it very politely, “dubious” Russians. It has also expanded to Europe. What is emerging, therefore, is a collusion between wealthy Americans, no doubt with major investments in Russia, US internet sites, probably financed by the aforementioned wealthy Americans, dubious Russian financiers, Putin, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage and no doubt others to manipulate, perhaps rig, elections and referenda in the US and Europe. It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.
    We also get the now standard argument that Trump is just dying to “normalize” relations with Russia but is being held back by some dastardly group or other. As we all know, of course, “normalizing relations with Moscow” in Orwellian translates into English as “capitulating to Putin in Ukraine”. Putin’s frantic attempts to get Trump to let him win in Syria is why this old line is suddenly back on the table.
    Finally, the idea of the Russian Federation as an emerging geopolitical rival is amusing. That country has existed as a sovereign state only for about 25 years and is merely the largest piece of wreckage from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In a world that is slowly being dominated by China, Russia is a very minor player.

    It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.

    And since when are the three not related?

    It’s too bad that good people, like MW, need to waste their time and energy investigating and publishing what’s obviously state sponsored utter rubbish designed to support some of the money bag crowd in one way or another.

    Why does it even need to be stated that most of what’s supposed to be a big deal to us prols, peasants and piss ants is nothing but propaganda, and of a particularly transparent and low grade variety,even?

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  12. Clyde says:
    @Chris Bridges
    Clapper is a befuddled old fool and can be safely ignored. Brennan is something far more sinister. He is an extreme leftist and there should be an investigation into how this wacko was allowed to join the CIA - he openly admits voting for CPUSA chief Gus Hall in 1976. Brennan is, besides, a resentful CIA failure. He was denied entry to the elite Directorate of Operations (or couldn't cut the mustard and was banished from it) and spent his career stewing away in anger as a despised analyst at CIA headquarters. Brennan spent his time at CIA attempting to undermine the organization. Pompeo should have reversed every single thing he did the minute he took office, starting with firing every CIA employee brought into the Agency by Brennan (this can be done - CIA employees have no Civil Service protection). That Brennan is still at large after his outrageous involvement in the phoney Russia dossier is an indictment of Jeff Sessions, Trump, the DOJ and the FBI. He could be indicted on a host of Federal charges if somebody had the guts to do it.

    Clapper is a befuddled old fool and can be safely ignored. Brennan is something far more sinister.

    Clapper told some whoppers while he was head of all our intelligence agencies under Obama. But you are correct that Brennan is far more toxic. He was this way under Obama and post-Obama. He has been one of the biggest Trump saboteurs. And most effective. One ugly customer!

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  13. @Curmudgeon
    What!!!! Someone from the management of an intelligence agency lying? I'm shocked!

    Why should we care if the russians spent billions on trying to exert their influence on us, we do it we have an alphabet soup of projects to do exactly that and god knows what else to every nation on earth.In fact we do it to our own people these social websites and “news” sites universities media etc are nothing but one huge propaganda machine intended to render democracy nothing more than a distraction so elites can go about doing what they want.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Bottom
    Hillary is the one who spend BILLIONS trying to become President. The only thing that so far has been traced to Russia is a few hundred thousand in Twitter Ads that otherwise served the legitimate purpose of trying to promote the web news sites. And most of those ads didn't concern political stories, but instead stories about cute puppies to draw clicks.
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  14. Long ago, when car radio’s still had antennae long enough to receive long wave transmissions, I often listened to BBCW radio, 848 Mhz.
    I still remember the statement ‘you can always tell when a politician lies, he then moves his lips’.

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  15. @Michael Kenny
    The umpteenth version of a now standard article. We all know that the Russiagate narrative isn’t starting to unravel and this and other (wholly untrustworthy) internet authors’ claims are not proved by simply repeating them over and over again (to borrow a phrase!). In fact, Russiagate is expanding. It has gone from mere Russian interference in the election to dubious financial transactions between wealthy Americans, including Trump, and, to put it very politely, “dubious” Russians. It has also expanded to Europe. What is emerging, therefore, is a collusion between wealthy Americans, no doubt with major investments in Russia, US internet sites, probably financed by the aforementioned wealthy Americans, dubious Russian financiers, Putin, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage and no doubt others to manipulate, perhaps rig, elections and referenda in the US and Europe. It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.
    We also get the now standard argument that Trump is just dying to “normalize” relations with Russia but is being held back by some dastardly group or other. As we all know, of course, “normalizing relations with Moscow” in Orwellian translates into English as “capitulating to Putin in Ukraine”. Putin’s frantic attempts to get Trump to let him win in Syria is why this old line is suddenly back on the table.
    Finally, the idea of the Russian Federation as an emerging geopolitical rival is amusing. That country has existed as a sovereign state only for about 25 years and is merely the largest piece of wreckage from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In a world that is slowly being dominated by China, Russia is a very minor player.

    Capitulating to Putin in Ukraine.
    The assertion is that the CIA spent five billion dollar in Ukraine in order to overthrow the legitimate democratic geovernment.
    Of course nobody can prove the assertion.
    What is crystal clear is that the members of EU parliament Verhofstadt, Van Baalen and Timmermans held speeches in Kiev urging the people to overthrow the government.
    Their speeches could be seen live on tv, or were rebroadcast.
    Timmermans held the crocodile tears speech at the UN about the MH17 victims.
    How, why, and through whom over 300 people were killed in Ukraine airspace we do not know until now.
    All there is is vague insinuations towards Russia, the country for which the disaster was a disaster, EU sanctions all of a sudden were possible.
    That the political annexation by the west failed is best seen in E Ukraine, where the wealth is, in gas and oil.
    A son, and a son in law, of Biden, and Kerry were promised well paid jobs as CEO’s of companies who were to exploit the E Ukrainian wealth, they are still waiting for the jobs.

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    As to the US spending $5 billion of US taxpayers money to 'destabilize Ukraine', we can prove that.

    Or at least we can take the word of a US official that this was true. Hillary's Assistant Secretary of State said this publicly at the National Press Club on Dec 13, 2013 .... a few months before the violent coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVs5VuI8XI
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  16. I remember when they actually prosecuted for someone for lying to Congress.

    Unfortunately, it was a former baseball player named Roger Clemons over the vitally important question of whether or not he had taken steroids. Obviously a vital question that every sports tabloid wants to know.

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  17. Cyrano says:

    I just hope that the Russians realize that with enormous power comes enormous responsibility. I hope that they’ll choose the next US president wisely.

    There is real danger there is — now that we know that the Russians can elect pretty much anyone in the US – that come the next elections, some charismatic, possibly independent candidate, might seduce the Russians with promises of improved ties, and after they elect him, he might turn to be a real wacko job who might end up not only worsening the ties between the superpowers, but he might end up destroying the world. Be cautious, Russians.

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    Sarcasm is probably the only way to deal with it. I find myself all the time asking people if they are serious or joking. Sadly, many claim they are serious.
    Currently it seems that peaceful and productive relations with a foreign power are Bad Things.
    Mr Putin did amusingly say one time to a ditzy US 'journalist':
    "Have you all lost your minds over there?"
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  18. If we want to talk about meddling in the election…..

    Lets compare CNN giving hours and hours of free and very favorable air time to the Hillary campaign?

    versus

    A news website paying for a handful of thousand dollar adds on Twitter?

    I remember studies that showed that during the crooked, corrupt and rigged Democratic Primaries, that there was a large disparity in favorable stories about Hillary versus the number that were favorable for Bernie. And CNN happily seemed to give lots of airtime to any Hillary surrogate who wanted to red bait and smear Bernie as a socialist.

    We saw the same sort of disparity in the amount of favorable coverage of Trump vs Hillary. Likewise, any Hillary surrogate who wanted to spread the official campaign message that Trump was a racist, was a fascist, and said some rude things about women was always welcome on the CNN airwaves.

    And, just recently, we had the web page editor for the NYT state publicly that they deliberately tilted their web page stories to convince voters to vote against Trump.

    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg if we want to talk about how the American corporate (aka mainstream) media tried very hard to tilt the whole election towards putting the Crooked Clintons back into the White House.

    But, OMG, the story in the same corrupt media is that awful and evil RT spend a whole thousand dollars on an ad trying to promote their website.

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  19. Vikki says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Capitulating to Putin in Ukraine.
    The assertion is that the CIA spent five billion dollar in Ukraine in order to overthrow the legitimate democratic geovernment.
    Of course nobody can prove the assertion.
    What is crystal clear is that the members of EU parliament Verhofstadt, Van Baalen and Timmermans held speeches in Kiev urging the people to overthrow the government.
    Their speeches could be seen live on tv, or were rebroadcast.
    Timmermans held the crocodile tears speech at the UN about the MH17 victims.
    How, why, and through whom over 300 people were killed in Ukraine airspace we do not know until now.
    All there is is vague insinuations towards Russia, the country for which the disaster was a disaster, EU sanctions all of a sudden were possible.
    That the political annexation by the west failed is best seen in E Ukraine, where the wealth is, in gas and oil.
    A son, and a son in law, of Biden, and Kerry were promised well paid jobs as CEO's of companies who were to exploit the E Ukrainian wealth, they are still waiting for the jobs.

    As to the US spending $5 billion of US taxpayers money to ‘destabilize Ukraine’, we can prove that.

    Or at least we can take the word of a US official that this was true. Hillary’s Assistant Secretary of State said this publicly at the National Press Club on Dec 13, 2013 …. a few months before the violent coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

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    "Hillary’s Assistant Secretary of State" ---

    Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland [[Kagan]] not only funded destabilization, she chose the Kiev coup regime....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
    Nuland-Pyatt leaked phone conversation _COMPLETE with SUBTITLES
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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @m___
    Fake news, ...and stale news. By when an algorithm of gogGles to "clean" the internet of current house-hold garbage?

    Boycott Google!!!!

    They clearly can not be trusted. Do you want to find only the websites that Google wants you to see? Then use a Google Search engine.

    Don’t search on Google.

    — There are other search engines out there. But some of the ones that claim to preserve your privacy from Google’s ever present snooping still search on Google. They just hide your IP by searching through another website. But there are other search engines out there that offer unbiased and uncensored searching.

    Also, don’t use Gmail.

    – Google spies on everything you say. That’s not really a secret. They do it to make money selling y our info to advertising. Don’t be surprised if after you tell your parents the happy news that they will soon have a grandchild if every Google ad on every webpage you visit wants to sell you baby furniture and baby food and lots of other baby stuff.

    Don’t use Google drive or spreadsheets or docs.

    — Again, Google spies on all of this to make money for themselves by selling your secrets.

    Find other video venues than YouTube.

    — You are going to have to anyways, now that Google is actively censoring the content. Clearly, if you want to see anything that Google doesn’t want you to see, you are going to have to find alternatives to Youtube …. and they are there.

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  21. Bottom says:
    @Colleen Pater
    Why should we care if the russians spent billions on trying to exert their influence on us, we do it we have an alphabet soup of projects to do exactly that and god knows what else to every nation on earth.In fact we do it to our own people these social websites and "news" sites universities media etc are nothing but one huge propaganda machine intended to render democracy nothing more than a distraction so elites can go about doing what they want.

    Hillary is the one who spend BILLIONS trying to become President. The only thing that so far has been traced to Russia is a few hundred thousand in Twitter Ads that otherwise served the legitimate purpose of trying to promote the web news sites. And most of those ads didn’t concern political stories, but instead stories about cute puppies to draw clicks.

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  22. Adrian E. says:

    The interesting development is that, after no proof for the “Russian hacking” allegations could be found, they turned to simple ads (for amounts that are extremely small compared to what the campaigns spent) and social media postings. This was accompanied by loosening the criteria, they did not even pretend any more that they had indications that these social media activities were connected to the Russian state, they just had to be “Russia-linked”. In the case of Twitter, this includes anyone who has ever logged in from Russia, uses Cyrillic signs in the account metadata (that could also be connected with a number of other countries), logged in from a Russian IP address, paid something with a Russian credit card etc., and only one condition had to be fulfilled for an account to be counted as “Russia-linked”.

    Of course, with such a large country, there are certainly some social media activities that are “linked” with it. There can be many reasons – people who travel, migrants in both directions, or simply Russians with an interest in US politics. From what is known, the ads and postings were so diverse – some right-wing and pro-Trump, some leftwing or critical of Trump, and many not directly linked to the elections – and distributed over a large time with many after the elections that it does not seem too unlikely as a result of social media activities of random people who have some connection with Russia.

    Of course, we may speculate in each case, why someone posted something or bought an ad. But before speculating, it would be necessary to have data about ads and social media postings linked to other countries. For example, it could be determined with the same criteria which ads and postings were Brazile-linked, Germany-linked, and Philippines-linked. Probably, there, a similar random collection would emerge. Only if there is something special about the Russia-linked ads and postings, it would even make sense to speculate about the reasons.

    We don’t know whether these “Russia-linked” ads and social media positings were just random activities by people related to Russia (e.g. about 2% of the US population have Russian as their native language, some may not have many contacts with Russia any more and don’t travel there regularly, but others do) or whether a part of them was the result of an organized campaign, but in any case, from what was written in the media, the volume of these social media activities does not seem to be very large (but in order to judge that, social media activities linked to other countries with the same criteria would be needed).

    What I find hilarious is how people sometimes try to insert a collusion angle even if it is not about hacking, but about social media ads and postings. This becomes completely absurd. Then, the idea is that Russians contacted the Trump campaign in order to find out which ads they should buy and what they should post on social media. Why should they do so? If the Trump campaign had ideas about what to post and what kind of ads to buy, why didn’t they just do it themselves or via an American company? What would be the point of the Trump campaign spending $564 million on the campaign, but then do a small part of the campaign via Russians who then spent a few thousand dollars for buying ads and posting messages the Trump campaign had advised them to via “collusion”? After all, if they had done it themselves or via an American intermediary, there would be nothing nefarious or suspicious about this, this idea that for a very small part of their campaign, they colluded with Russians and told them what to post and which ads to buy almost sounds as if they deliberately wanted to behave in a strange way that could then fit a preconceived collusion narrative. And even if they had outsourced some small part of their campaign to a Russian company for some odd reasons, would that make it nefarious?

    I think the Russiagate theorists should at least make sure that their theories don’t violate basic principles of common sense. If they want to use the hacking story, the involvement of Russian secret services might theoretically make sense – it might not be so easy for the Trump campaign to hack servers themselves (though phishing is hardly something so sophisticated that only secret services can do it, we’re not talking about something like Stuxnet), and something illegal would be involved. That is a theory that could in principle make sense, the only problem is, that no evidence for this is available (and the Russians are certainly not the only ones who might have had an interest in these mails, another plausible theory is that it was an insider who disliked how the Clinton campaign took over the DNC early on and created better conditions for Clinton than for Sanders, and it could have been any hacker who, for some reason disliked Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and Podesta). If the Russiagate theorists switch over to simple social media activity because there is no evidence for Russian secret services being responsible for giving e-mails to Wikileaks, they also have to sacrifice the whole “collusion” part of the story. It might be that some Russians used social media in an organized way, but to invent a story that the Trump campaign “colluded” with Russians for a small part of their social media election campaign hardly makes sense.

    The only condition under which it might somehow make sense would be if someone thought Russians are intellectually vastly superior to Americans and know much better what potential voters care about, and their capabilities are even vastly above Cambridge Analytics. Then, it might somehow make sense for the Trump campaign to hand over a part of the social media activities to Russians, and this might somehow be seen as an unfair advantage – but again, if, with that assumption, the Russians are intellectually so vastly superior that can have a significant influence with very small amounts of money and works while the Trump and Clinton campaigns spend billions, why would they have to “collude” with the Trump campaign, people who would be intellectually so much below them according to that assumption? Maybe real genius for targeting potential voters only emerges when Americans and Russians with complementary abilities collaborate? In any case, it is already very difficult just to construct a version of that theory that does not violate basic principles of common sense.

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    Don't try to confuse us with that 'common sense' nonsense (do you even know that there is no word for common sense in Russian? or for freedom?).

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is 'almost certainly a KGB asset'. There you go, case closed...

    , @RobinG
    OTOH, it's 100% verified that the UKRAINE interfered tangibly in the 2016 US election -- for the benefit of Hillary Rotten Clinton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15C5HwB4sY
    Who is behind TRUMP/RUSSIA HOAX? Clinton, Soros, Browder, Chalupa
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  23. Fred D says:

    Mind controlled Moron…

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  24. WHAT says:
    @Michael Kenny
    The umpteenth version of a now standard article. We all know that the Russiagate narrative isn’t starting to unravel and this and other (wholly untrustworthy) internet authors’ claims are not proved by simply repeating them over and over again (to borrow a phrase!). In fact, Russiagate is expanding. It has gone from mere Russian interference in the election to dubious financial transactions between wealthy Americans, including Trump, and, to put it very politely, “dubious” Russians. It has also expanded to Europe. What is emerging, therefore, is a collusion between wealthy Americans, no doubt with major investments in Russia, US internet sites, probably financed by the aforementioned wealthy Americans, dubious Russian financiers, Putin, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage and no doubt others to manipulate, perhaps rig, elections and referenda in the US and Europe. It’s not about politics. It’s about money and conflicts of interest.
    We also get the now standard argument that Trump is just dying to “normalize” relations with Russia but is being held back by some dastardly group or other. As we all know, of course, “normalizing relations with Moscow” in Orwellian translates into English as “capitulating to Putin in Ukraine”. Putin’s frantic attempts to get Trump to let him win in Syria is why this old line is suddenly back on the table.
    Finally, the idea of the Russian Federation as an emerging geopolitical rival is amusing. That country has existed as a sovereign state only for about 25 years and is merely the largest piece of wreckage from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In a world that is slowly being dominated by China, Russia is a very minor player.

    “Let him win in Syria”?

    Dude, it`s like the first legit amusing line from you. Now bring another!

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  25. robt says:
    @Cyrano
    I just hope that the Russians realize that with enormous power comes enormous responsibility. I hope that they’ll choose the next US president wisely.

    There is real danger there is -- now that we know that the Russians can elect pretty much anyone in the US – that come the next elections, some charismatic, possibly independent candidate, might seduce the Russians with promises of improved ties, and after they elect him, he might turn to be a real wacko job who might end up not only worsening the ties between the superpowers, but he might end up destroying the world. Be cautious, Russians.

    Sarcasm is probably the only way to deal with it. I find myself all the time asking people if they are serious or joking. Sadly, many claim they are serious.
    Currently it seems that peaceful and productive relations with a foreign power are Bad Things.
    Mr Putin did amusingly say one time to a ditzy US ‘journalist’:
    “Have you all lost your minds over there?”

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    I really truly believe that the only way to force the stupids who came up with that ridiculous story about “Russia influencing the elections” – to drop it – is to make incessantly fun of them until they finally realize how really truly stupid they are.
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  26. Cyrano says:
    @robt
    Sarcasm is probably the only way to deal with it. I find myself all the time asking people if they are serious or joking. Sadly, many claim they are serious.
    Currently it seems that peaceful and productive relations with a foreign power are Bad Things.
    Mr Putin did amusingly say one time to a ditzy US 'journalist':
    "Have you all lost your minds over there?"

    I really truly believe that the only way to force the stupids who came up with that ridiculous story about “Russia influencing the elections” – to drop it – is to make incessantly fun of them until they finally realize how really truly stupid they are.

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    I respect your sentiment and the sentient of the "exiled off mainstreet", but I think that you are both quite mistaken. You are pointing out Russiagate as a malady, but Russigate is only a symptom of a much bigger and deeper malady. The US and the whole Western system is one huge debt- and lie-based house of cards. It is a matter of probably a few years when the whole thing will come tumbling down, firstly on the financial then all other liekets (a lie pretending to be a market). No-one knows how long one can live a lie, but the lie eventually comes to an end no matter how hard one tries to still kick the can further down the road.

    Therefore, whenever I read - Russia influenced our election - I understand: we are f'ed but we blame someone else. Therefore, Russiagate is a self-projection in a nutshell.
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  27. @DESERT FOX
    Brennan and Clapper are agent provocateurs for the Zionists who control the U.S. government and the 17 gestapo agencies which in fact are controlled by dual citizen Zionists ie ISRAEL.

    Brennan and Clapper are under Zionist control and thus are traitors to the constitution of America and should be tried and sent to prison for life.

    The facts support this viewpoint, including the dual citizen element of it. By the way, I oppose the death penalty except if it is applied to major serial war criminals. I recognize that all legal systems are too corrupt to be given the power of life and death, and that this is particularly true of the US system, which sets the benchmark for corruption. The corruption of the US political system, meanwhile, is revealed by the fact that this absurd Russiagate story is still being peddled and is accepted as received wisdom despite the manifold evidence proving its absurd falsity. What the article shows is that Clapper and Brennan are serial war criminals and that their latest gambit threatens our very existence. We would be better off if the utopia of a legal system incorruptible enough to allow for the death penalty did exist in the US rather than the corrupt system allowing somebody like Mueller to act extra-legally on this absurd basis was continuing in operation. By the way, the Canadian satellite media is still publishing stories trying to resuscitate the Steele dossier paid by the DNC and the yankee government as factual. The whole thing would be comical if it were not deadly serious. Those still backing the story publicly are either dangerously deluded or criminal themselves.

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    The U.S. gov is a criminal organization ran by criminal for criminals and sexual perverts and pedophiles , if interested, read these two books , THE FRANKLIN COVERUP by the late John DeCamp and THE TRANCE FORMATIO of AMERICA by Cathy Obrien and see their interviews on YouTube, the books can be had on amazon.com.

    The books reveal a shocking look at the top ones in the demonrat and republicon parties, and I do mean shocking.
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  28. Does Brennan have that dark calloused spot on his forehead yet from use of his “prayer rug” ?

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  29. @exiled off mainstreet
    The facts support this viewpoint, including the dual citizen element of it. By the way, I oppose the death penalty except if it is applied to major serial war criminals. I recognize that all legal systems are too corrupt to be given the power of life and death, and that this is particularly true of the US system, which sets the benchmark for corruption. The corruption of the US political system, meanwhile, is revealed by the fact that this absurd Russiagate story is still being peddled and is accepted as received wisdom despite the manifold evidence proving its absurd falsity. What the article shows is that Clapper and Brennan are serial war criminals and that their latest gambit threatens our very existence. We would be better off if the utopia of a legal system incorruptible enough to allow for the death penalty did exist in the US rather than the corrupt system allowing somebody like Mueller to act extra-legally on this absurd basis was continuing in operation. By the way, the Canadian satellite media is still publishing stories trying to resuscitate the Steele dossier paid by the DNC and the yankee government as factual. The whole thing would be comical if it were not deadly serious. Those still backing the story publicly are either dangerously deluded or criminal themselves.

    The U.S. gov is a criminal organization ran by criminal for criminals and sexual perverts and pedophiles , if interested, read these two books , THE FRANKLIN COVERUP by the late John DeCamp and THE TRANCE FORMATIO of AMERICA by Cathy Obrien and see their interviews on YouTube, the books can be had on amazon.com.

    The books reveal a shocking look at the top ones in the demonrat and republicon parties, and I do mean shocking.

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  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price
    Becoming friends with Russia, the only potential enemy available, would destroy the MIC. A real possibility the Washington establishment will never allow to happen.

    The US, Russian Federation, and the Nuland-Kagan revolution in Kiev in 2014:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-truth-about-ukraine-italian-documentary-bombshell-evidence-kiev-euromaidan-snipers-kill-demonstrators/5619684

    “The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) last week, still have not paved its way to the international mainstream media. …
    The documentary features Alexander Revazishvili, Koba Nergadze and Zalogi Kvaratskhelia, Georgian military officers… They claim that on Jan 15, 2014 they landed in Kiev equipped with fake documents… Having received 1000 USD each one and being promised to be paid 5000 USD after the “job is done”, they were tasked to prepare sniper positions inside the buildings of Hotel Ukraine and Conservatory, dominant over the Maidan Square. …Along with other snipers (some of them were Lithuanians) they were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger. The coordinating team also included Mamulashvili and infamous Segrey Pashinsky, who was detained by protesters on Feb 18, 2017 with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car… The weapons came on stage on February 18 and were distributed to the various Georgian and Lithuanian groups. “There were three or four weapons in each bag, there were Makarov guns, AKM guns, rifles, and a lot of cartridges.” – witnesses Nergadze.
    The following day, Mamulashvili and Pashinsky explained to snipers that they should shoot at the square and sow chaos.
    “I listened to the screams,” recalls Revazishvili. “There were many dead and injured downstairs. My first and only thought was to leave in a hurry before they caught up with me. Otherwise, they would tear me apart.”
    Four years later, Revazishvili and his two companions report they have not yet received the promised 5000 USD bills as a payment and have decided to tell the truth about those who “used and abandoned” them.”

    Well… that was a clear picture of a sausage-making during the US-sponsored regime change in Ukraine.
    The neo-Nazi in the US-supported “government” in Kiev came about naturally.

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  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price
    Becoming friends with Russia, the only potential enemy available, would destroy the MIC. A real possibility the Washington establishment will never allow to happen.

    An addition to the previous post.
    The Maidan revolution and its neo-Nazi consequence makes an amazing monument to the Kagans’ clan:

    “Thousands of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists marched in Kiev, Thursday, celebrating the 106th birthday of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) leader Stepan Bandera [famous Nazis collaborator]. Among the main organisers were representatives of Right Sector and Svoboda.” https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a7_1420142767#gDHooVSL6b0yQ1SG.99
    “Members of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Azov volunteer battalion and their ultranationalist civilian sympathizers have conducted a torchlit procession in the center of the eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, held under the slogan “coming after you!” http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_72571.shtml
    “A leader of Ukrainian Jewry condemned the hosting in Lviv of a festival celebrating a Nazi collaborator on the anniversary of a major pogrom against the city’s Jews.” http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ukraine-city-to-hold-festival-in-honor-of-Nazi-collaborator-498159
    The wide-spread desecration of Jewish cemetries by Ukrainian thugs (a post-Maidan phenomenon) has spilled to Poland: “Yet another case of vandalism by Ukrainian nationalists is on the record in Poland. This time, an old Jewish cemetery in Kraków became the target of thugs from the neighboring state. The graves of Polish Jews who died over a century ago were destroyed by those hot-blood Ukrainians.” https://www.reddit.com/r/antisemitism/comments/5npnj5/ukrainian_nationalists_stand_behind_desecration/
    “Vandals desecrated the Korinovskaya Jewish Cemetery in Kiev. They destroyed two entire sections: 27 and 28. These acts of vandalism are very systematic: every night they destroy one or two headstones. According to the elderly women who look after the place, these vandals are usually drunken youths who come there to wreak destruction. The Zaddik of Chernobyl is buried in this cemetery. These vandals destroyed his gravestone, smearing Satanic Cult symbols on it.” http://antisemitism.org.il/article/58386/ukraine-8211-desecration-jewish-cemetery-kiev

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  32. Beckow says:
    @Adrian E.
    The interesting development is that, after no proof for the "Russian hacking" allegations could be found, they turned to simple ads (for amounts that are extremely small compared to what the campaigns spent) and social media postings. This was accompanied by loosening the criteria, they did not even pretend any more that they had indications that these social media activities were connected to the Russian state, they just had to be "Russia-linked". In the case of Twitter, this includes anyone who has ever logged in from Russia, uses Cyrillic signs in the account metadata (that could also be connected with a number of other countries), logged in from a Russian IP address, paid something with a Russian credit card etc., and only one condition had to be fulfilled for an account to be counted as "Russia-linked".

    Of course, with such a large country, there are certainly some social media activities that are "linked" with it. There can be many reasons - people who travel, migrants in both directions, or simply Russians with an interest in US politics. From what is known, the ads and postings were so diverse - some right-wing and pro-Trump, some leftwing or critical of Trump, and many not directly linked to the elections - and distributed over a large time with many after the elections that it does not seem too unlikely as a result of social media activities of random people who have some connection with Russia.

    Of course, we may speculate in each case, why someone posted something or bought an ad. But before speculating, it would be necessary to have data about ads and social media postings linked to other countries. For example, it could be determined with the same criteria which ads and postings were Brazile-linked, Germany-linked, and Philippines-linked. Probably, there, a similar random collection would emerge. Only if there is something special about the Russia-linked ads and postings, it would even make sense to speculate about the reasons.

    We don't know whether these "Russia-linked" ads and social media positings were just random activities by people related to Russia (e.g. about 2% of the US population have Russian as their native language, some may not have many contacts with Russia any more and don't travel there regularly, but others do) or whether a part of them was the result of an organized campaign, but in any case, from what was written in the media, the volume of these social media activities does not seem to be very large (but in order to judge that, social media activities linked to other countries with the same criteria would be needed).

    What I find hilarious is how people sometimes try to insert a collusion angle even if it is not about hacking, but about social media ads and postings. This becomes completely absurd. Then, the idea is that Russians contacted the Trump campaign in order to find out which ads they should buy and what they should post on social media. Why should they do so? If the Trump campaign had ideas about what to post and what kind of ads to buy, why didn't they just do it themselves or via an American company? What would be the point of the Trump campaign spending $564 million on the campaign, but then do a small part of the campaign via Russians who then spent a few thousand dollars for buying ads and posting messages the Trump campaign had advised them to via "collusion"? After all, if they had done it themselves or via an American intermediary, there would be nothing nefarious or suspicious about this, this idea that for a very small part of their campaign, they colluded with Russians and told them what to post and which ads to buy almost sounds as if they deliberately wanted to behave in a strange way that could then fit a preconceived collusion narrative. And even if they had outsourced some small part of their campaign to a Russian company for some odd reasons, would that make it nefarious?

    I think the Russiagate theorists should at least make sure that their theories don't violate basic principles of common sense. If they want to use the hacking story, the involvement of Russian secret services might theoretically make sense - it might not be so easy for the Trump campaign to hack servers themselves (though phishing is hardly something so sophisticated that only secret services can do it, we're not talking about something like Stuxnet), and something illegal would be involved. That is a theory that could in principle make sense, the only problem is, that no evidence for this is available (and the Russians are certainly not the only ones who might have had an interest in these mails, another plausible theory is that it was an insider who disliked how the Clinton campaign took over the DNC early on and created better conditions for Clinton than for Sanders, and it could have been any hacker who, for some reason disliked Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and Podesta). If the Russiagate theorists switch over to simple social media activity because there is no evidence for Russian secret services being responsible for giving e-mails to Wikileaks, they also have to sacrifice the whole "collusion" part of the story. It might be that some Russians used social media in an organized way, but to invent a story that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russians for a small part of their social media election campaign hardly makes sense.

    The only condition under which it might somehow make sense would be if someone thought Russians are intellectually vastly superior to Americans and know much better what potential voters care about, and their capabilities are even vastly above Cambridge Analytics. Then, it might somehow make sense for the Trump campaign to hand over a part of the social media activities to Russians, and this might somehow be seen as an unfair advantage - but again, if, with that assumption, the Russians are intellectually so vastly superior that can have a significant influence with very small amounts of money and works while the Trump and Clinton campaigns spend billions, why would they have to "collude" with the Trump campaign, people who would be intellectually so much below them according to that assumption? Maybe real genius for targeting potential voters only emerges when Americans and Russians with complementary abilities collaborate? In any case, it is already very difficult just to construct a version of that theory that does not violate basic principles of common sense.

    Don’t try to confuse us with that ‘common sense‘ nonsense (do you even know that there is no word for common sense in Russian? or for freedom?).

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is ‘almost certainly a KGB asset‘. There you go, case closed…

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    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is ‘almost certainly a KGB asset‘. There you go, case closed…
     
    Your acquaintance is not wrong, but it was the GRU, who took over the operation when the KGB disbanded, in collusion with rogue, communist elements in SOVA (who recruited Melania in the mid '80s and managed her early career) that added some of the clever touches we're seeing today.

    It is, of course plain to anyone who knows him that Trump had no plans to run for any Presidency, but that Melania's constant insinuations skilfully massaged his ego to the point where he imagined himself in the Oval office, barking "You're Fired" at anyone who came in. Once his candidacy was announced, the Kremlin's political experts created and managed the strategies and tactics that Melania's handlers fed to her and the later recruited Ivanka, who in turn fed them to Jared and the campaign staff. Everyone, you may recall, said they wouldn't work, that they weren't working, and that the polls were right, but Melania/Ivanka stuck to their guns. Of course, they themselves had no idea, but that's why Trump thinks Ivanka walks on water.

    Meanwhile, other GRU operatives were sowing weak, easily debunked evidence of "Russian collusion" amongst the American intelligence agencies, the DNC, Hillary campaign officials, and of course the media, selectively reinforced by verbal communications from deep, "reliable & trusted" sources from inside the Kremlin itself. This had the effect of causing the Crappers to believe they were on to something big, focused their attention on Trump (who remains oblivious) and his aides, but also manoeuvred them into exposing themselves publicly as the fools and serial liars they had ever been. Totally discredited, they'll serve to cover Melania's trail by making laughable anything they may say later should her's and/or Ivanka's operational covers be blown.

    And that is how the Office of the President came to be run from the Kremlin via Trump Tower in NY, while the nominal POTUS goes to rallies, tweets, plays golf, and occasionally enjoys a little sword dancing. All in all, a daring operation, brilliantly executed. I swear that I've often seen the hand of the Serbian, and even elements of Czech intelligence services in this operation, but it's all plausibly deniable. Wheels within wheels...

    Anyway, one of the greatest intelligence coups in history, and the hand of Putin is evident throughout. We'll see how good a POTUS Putin will turn out to be. Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously, one of them by remote control, would normally present a challenge for any man, but the general consensus in E. European intelligence circles is that Putin's actually enjoying himself. FWIW, those same circles say he'll run off with Melania when this is all over, so take that with a grain of salt.

    :) !
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  33. RobinG says:
    @Vikki
    As to the US spending $5 billion of US taxpayers money to 'destabilize Ukraine', we can prove that.

    Or at least we can take the word of a US official that this was true. Hillary's Assistant Secretary of State said this publicly at the National Press Club on Dec 13, 2013 .... a few months before the violent coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVs5VuI8XI

    “Hillary’s Assistant Secretary of State” —

    Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland [[Kagan]] not only funded destabilization, she chose the Kiev coup regime….

    Nuland-Pyatt leaked phone conversation _COMPLETE with SUBTITLES

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    The cooperation between zionists and Ukrainian neo-Nazi has been proceeding on a governmental level, with Israel being an initiator of the cordial relationships: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/shocking-continuing-alliance-zionism-anti-semitism/

    "In Ukraine, Dmitry Yarosh, the leader of the neo-Nazi street fighting organization known as Right Sector, was granted a private audience in 2014 with Israel’s ambassador... Under the watch of Yarosh and his allies, neo-Nazism has since exploded across Ukraine, with mass marches of torch-bearing fascists filling the streets of Kiev and monuments to pogromist Nazi collaborators sprouting up around the country. “Ukraine has more statues 4 killers of Jews than any other country,” the anti-Nazi activist and researcher Efraim Zuroff lamented on Twitter.
    .....
    “Israel has no problem allying itself with anti-Semites who support its colonialism.” Zionists like Herzl and anti-Semites like Balfour shared the view that the presence of assimilationist-minded Jews on the continent was unacceptable. Herzl “disdained poor Jews in Western Europe and blamed them for anti-Semitism... Like Herzl, anti-Semitic European elites viewed a Jewish state as a convenient means for reducing the Jewish population within their societies. “The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies,” Herzl declared.

    The alliance deepened during World War Two, as the Zionist movement broke the international Jewish boycott of Nazi Germany to embark on a lucrative Transfer Agreement with Hitler’s government that exchanged Jewish property for the bodies the Zionists needed to colonize Palestine. As Massad pointed out, when the fugitive Nazi functionary Adolph Eichmann was captured in 1960 and brought to Israel for trial a year later for war crimes, it was his second visit to the Holy Land. Indeed, Eichmann had been a guest of the Zionist movement in 1937, hosted for a tour of kibbutzim in historic Palestine by a double Zionist-Nazi agent named Feibl Folkes."

    The ZUSA has captured Ukraine and now cries outloud that Russia is an aggressor. As if the poor results in Ukraine make ziocons livid towards Russian Federation.

    , @Anon
    And here is the zionists' sweet affair with Wahhabi Saudi Arabia: http://www.unz.com/jpetras/saudi-arabia-regional-and-global-linkages/
    "Saudi oil wealth has financed thousands of overseas religious schools and cultural centers to teach the most intolerant form of Wahhabi Islam. They award scholarships to talented young Muslims willing to spread Wahhabi propaganda and recruit mercenaries and political activists to advance the Saudi Monarch’s projections of global power.
    Saudi Arabia has long established de facto linkages with Israel, despite their superficial religious differences, based on their intense racist tribalism and common opposition to independent Iran and secular, nationalist Arab states…
    Saudi Arabia and Israel play the key roles in anchoring the ‘arc of reaction and terror’ in the Middle East. Both foment wars, finance terrorism and spread ethno-religious fragmentation leading to millions of refugees. Saudi Arabia’s ‘Crown Prince MBS’ competes with Israel’s Netanyahu in concocting the most outrageous warmongering slander against Iran, preparing the world for global conflagration."

    Guess both ugly states rationalize their bloody crimes and mutual attachment by "existential threat."
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  34. RobinG says:
    @Adrian E.
    The interesting development is that, after no proof for the "Russian hacking" allegations could be found, they turned to simple ads (for amounts that are extremely small compared to what the campaigns spent) and social media postings. This was accompanied by loosening the criteria, they did not even pretend any more that they had indications that these social media activities were connected to the Russian state, they just had to be "Russia-linked". In the case of Twitter, this includes anyone who has ever logged in from Russia, uses Cyrillic signs in the account metadata (that could also be connected with a number of other countries), logged in from a Russian IP address, paid something with a Russian credit card etc., and only one condition had to be fulfilled for an account to be counted as "Russia-linked".

    Of course, with such a large country, there are certainly some social media activities that are "linked" with it. There can be many reasons - people who travel, migrants in both directions, or simply Russians with an interest in US politics. From what is known, the ads and postings were so diverse - some right-wing and pro-Trump, some leftwing or critical of Trump, and many not directly linked to the elections - and distributed over a large time with many after the elections that it does not seem too unlikely as a result of social media activities of random people who have some connection with Russia.

    Of course, we may speculate in each case, why someone posted something or bought an ad. But before speculating, it would be necessary to have data about ads and social media postings linked to other countries. For example, it could be determined with the same criteria which ads and postings were Brazile-linked, Germany-linked, and Philippines-linked. Probably, there, a similar random collection would emerge. Only if there is something special about the Russia-linked ads and postings, it would even make sense to speculate about the reasons.

    We don't know whether these "Russia-linked" ads and social media positings were just random activities by people related to Russia (e.g. about 2% of the US population have Russian as their native language, some may not have many contacts with Russia any more and don't travel there regularly, but others do) or whether a part of them was the result of an organized campaign, but in any case, from what was written in the media, the volume of these social media activities does not seem to be very large (but in order to judge that, social media activities linked to other countries with the same criteria would be needed).

    What I find hilarious is how people sometimes try to insert a collusion angle even if it is not about hacking, but about social media ads and postings. This becomes completely absurd. Then, the idea is that Russians contacted the Trump campaign in order to find out which ads they should buy and what they should post on social media. Why should they do so? If the Trump campaign had ideas about what to post and what kind of ads to buy, why didn't they just do it themselves or via an American company? What would be the point of the Trump campaign spending $564 million on the campaign, but then do a small part of the campaign via Russians who then spent a few thousand dollars for buying ads and posting messages the Trump campaign had advised them to via "collusion"? After all, if they had done it themselves or via an American intermediary, there would be nothing nefarious or suspicious about this, this idea that for a very small part of their campaign, they colluded with Russians and told them what to post and which ads to buy almost sounds as if they deliberately wanted to behave in a strange way that could then fit a preconceived collusion narrative. And even if they had outsourced some small part of their campaign to a Russian company for some odd reasons, would that make it nefarious?

    I think the Russiagate theorists should at least make sure that their theories don't violate basic principles of common sense. If they want to use the hacking story, the involvement of Russian secret services might theoretically make sense - it might not be so easy for the Trump campaign to hack servers themselves (though phishing is hardly something so sophisticated that only secret services can do it, we're not talking about something like Stuxnet), and something illegal would be involved. That is a theory that could in principle make sense, the only problem is, that no evidence for this is available (and the Russians are certainly not the only ones who might have had an interest in these mails, another plausible theory is that it was an insider who disliked how the Clinton campaign took over the DNC early on and created better conditions for Clinton than for Sanders, and it could have been any hacker who, for some reason disliked Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and Podesta). If the Russiagate theorists switch over to simple social media activity because there is no evidence for Russian secret services being responsible for giving e-mails to Wikileaks, they also have to sacrifice the whole "collusion" part of the story. It might be that some Russians used social media in an organized way, but to invent a story that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russians for a small part of their social media election campaign hardly makes sense.

    The only condition under which it might somehow make sense would be if someone thought Russians are intellectually vastly superior to Americans and know much better what potential voters care about, and their capabilities are even vastly above Cambridge Analytics. Then, it might somehow make sense for the Trump campaign to hand over a part of the social media activities to Russians, and this might somehow be seen as an unfair advantage - but again, if, with that assumption, the Russians are intellectually so vastly superior that can have a significant influence with very small amounts of money and works while the Trump and Clinton campaigns spend billions, why would they have to "collude" with the Trump campaign, people who would be intellectually so much below them according to that assumption? Maybe real genius for targeting potential voters only emerges when Americans and Russians with complementary abilities collaborate? In any case, it is already very difficult just to construct a version of that theory that does not violate basic principles of common sense.

    OTOH, it’s 100% verified that the UKRAINE interfered tangibly in the 2016 US election — for the benefit of Hillary Rotten Clinton.

    Who is behind TRUMP/RUSSIA HOAX? Clinton, Soros, Browder, Chalupa

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  35. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    "Hillary’s Assistant Secretary of State" ---

    Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland [[Kagan]] not only funded destabilization, she chose the Kiev coup regime....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
    Nuland-Pyatt leaked phone conversation _COMPLETE with SUBTITLES

    The cooperation between zionists and Ukrainian neo-Nazi has been proceeding on a governmental level, with Israel being an initiator of the cordial relationships: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/shocking-continuing-alliance-zionism-anti-semitism/

    “In Ukraine, Dmitry Yarosh, the leader of the neo-Nazi street fighting organization known as Right Sector, was granted a private audience in 2014 with Israel’s ambassador… Under the watch of Yarosh and his allies, neo-Nazism has since exploded across Ukraine, with mass marches of torch-bearing fascists filling the streets of Kiev and monuments to pogromist Nazi collaborators sprouting up around the country. “Ukraine has more statues 4 killers of Jews than any other country,” the anti-Nazi activist and researcher Efraim Zuroff lamented on Twitter.
    …..
    “Israel has no problem allying itself with anti-Semites who support its colonialism.” Zionists like Herzl and anti-Semites like Balfour shared the view that the presence of assimilationist-minded Jews on the continent was unacceptable. Herzl “disdained poor Jews in Western Europe and blamed them for anti-Semitism… Like Herzl, anti-Semitic European elites viewed a Jewish state as a convenient means for reducing the Jewish population within their societies. “The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies,” Herzl declared.

    The alliance deepened during World War Two, as the Zionist movement broke the international Jewish boycott of Nazi Germany to embark on a lucrative Transfer Agreement with Hitler’s government that exchanged Jewish property for the bodies the Zionists needed to colonize Palestine. As Massad pointed out, when the fugitive Nazi functionary Adolph Eichmann was captured in 1960 and brought to Israel for trial a year later for war crimes, it was his second visit to the Holy Land. Indeed, Eichmann had been a guest of the Zionist movement in 1937, hosted for a tour of kibbutzim in historic Palestine by a double Zionist-Nazi agent named Feibl Folkes.”

    The ZUSA has captured Ukraine and now cries outloud that Russia is an aggressor. As if the poor results in Ukraine make ziocons livid towards Russian Federation.

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    From correspondence between Herzl and von Plehve (Russian Minister of the Interior):

    Plehve: “We have had the occasion to make known to you the point of view from which the Russian Government at the present moment regards Zionism. This point of view could very easily inspire it with the necessity of exchanging its policy of tolerance for measures dictated by its safeguarding of national interests. So long as Zionism consisted in the desire to create an independent State in Palestine and promised to organize the emigration in Russia of a certain number of its Jewish subjects, the Russian Government could very well be favorable to it, but from the moment when this main object of Zionism is abandoned, in order to be replaced by a simple propaganda of Jewish national concentration in Russia, it is natural that the Government cannot, in any case, tolerate this new departure of Zionism. It would not have any other result than to create groups of individuals, perfect strangers to and even hostile to the patriotic sentiments which constitute the strength of each State.” 1903

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  37. Kiza says:
    @Cyrano
    I really truly believe that the only way to force the stupids who came up with that ridiculous story about “Russia influencing the elections” – to drop it – is to make incessantly fun of them until they finally realize how really truly stupid they are.

    I respect your sentiment and the sentient of the “exiled off mainstreet”, but I think that you are both quite mistaken. You are pointing out Russiagate as a malady, but Russigate is only a symptom of a much bigger and deeper malady. The US and the whole Western system is one huge debt- and lie-based house of cards. It is a matter of probably a few years when the whole thing will come tumbling down, firstly on the financial then all other liekets (a lie pretending to be a market). No-one knows how long one can live a lie, but the lie eventually comes to an end no matter how hard one tries to still kick the can further down the road.

    Therefore, whenever I read – Russia influenced our election – I understand: we are f’ed but we blame someone else. Therefore, Russiagate is a self-projection in a nutshell.

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    , @Cyrano
    I am going to have to disagree with you on this one Kiza. You think that I am not able to see the big picture, but I think otherwise.

    This is about a regime (in Washington), which I would like to call a deep state regime that is getting increasingly frustrated by their own incompetence and they are looking for someone to blame. The pick of the moment is Russia, but they have other candidates lined up to fill that role.

    The regime in Washington is angry at Russia, because they think of them as adversary that they’ve dealt with and which shouldn’t attempt a comeback. The only reason why Russia is attempting a comeback is because of the total idiocy of the deep state regime.

    The world was handed to them on a plate with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 and they had a free hand for about 15 years. It’s one of the most colossal blunders in history. In those 15 years – culminating with the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the deep state regime couldn’t do anything right.

    And now they are angry at Russia for not giving them enough time. It’s not only Russia who can’t afford to “give them more time”, the rest of the world can’t afford that luxury either. None of the actions of the deep state regime up to now suggest that they’ve got their s**t together.

    They were given a chance and now they are no longer worthy of that chance. The saying about history repeating itself first as a tragedy than as a farce totally doesn’t apply to US. They simply decided to skip couple of steps and make history appear as a farce right off the bat.

    , @robt
    Russiagate is the present manifestation that represents collective mania and psychosis of the moment. Economic disfunction will certainly manifest itself, and blame will inevitably be placed where ever is does not belong, which is the tendency of politicians and economists when their linear forecasts of prosperity collapse, as they do periodically. To attempt to characterize Russiagate as a projection of a subset of a larger malady is to diminish it, whereas it is a special event of its own, with its own foci. These foci are to diminish and deligitimize the presidency, and to create aggressive hostility towards Russia with the objective of destroying any hope for peaceful relations.
    I see the current mania and visible 'malady' as just the typical left-wing Democratic Party's tendency to blame someone or everyone else. In this case, they lost the election, saw it coming no matter what they or their media claimed, couldn't have it overturned by bogus court actions or intimidation of the electoral college, put in place landmines to undermine the new presidency in the months following the election, and continued their campaign of disinformation with new vigour after the Inauguration with the concerted help of the media and their friends still embedded in government.
    I think a partial cure for these sorts of events, typically after the Democrats lose elections, is to make the handover of government almost immediate, as they do in most Parliamentary systems, typically on the next day or so after losing an election, and is the reason why opposition parties have a shadow cabinet ready to take office quickly.
    Granted that the silly Russiagate stories started sometime before Election Day when the scandals revealed in the leaked-emails were becoming impossible to rationalize and dismiss, but a great measure of the damage caused by the Democrats would have been mitigated with an immediate handover of power. Over two and a half months of vindictive mischief is potentially too damaging.
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  38. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kiza
    I respect your sentiment and the sentient of the "exiled off mainstreet", but I think that you are both quite mistaken. You are pointing out Russiagate as a malady, but Russigate is only a symptom of a much bigger and deeper malady. The US and the whole Western system is one huge debt- and lie-based house of cards. It is a matter of probably a few years when the whole thing will come tumbling down, firstly on the financial then all other liekets (a lie pretending to be a market). No-one knows how long one can live a lie, but the lie eventually comes to an end no matter how hard one tries to still kick the can further down the road.

    Therefore, whenever I read - Russia influenced our election - I understand: we are f'ed but we blame someone else. Therefore, Russiagate is a self-projection in a nutshell.

    Agree.

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  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    "Hillary’s Assistant Secretary of State" ---

    Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland [[Kagan]] not only funded destabilization, she chose the Kiev coup regime....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
    Nuland-Pyatt leaked phone conversation _COMPLETE with SUBTITLES

    And here is the zionists’ sweet affair with Wahhabi Saudi Arabia: http://www.unz.com/jpetras/saudi-arabia-regional-and-global-linkages/
    “Saudi oil wealth has financed thousands of overseas religious schools and cultural centers to teach the most intolerant form of Wahhabi Islam. They award scholarships to talented young Muslims willing to spread Wahhabi propaganda and recruit mercenaries and political activists to advance the Saudi Monarch’s projections of global power.
    Saudi Arabia has long established de facto linkages with Israel, despite their superficial religious differences, based on their intense racist tribalism and common opposition to independent Iran and secular, nationalist Arab states…
    Saudi Arabia and Israel play the key roles in anchoring the ‘arc of reaction and terror’ in the Middle East. Both foment wars, finance terrorism and spread ethno-religious fragmentation leading to millions of refugees. Saudi Arabia’s ‘Crown Prince MBS’ competes with Israel’s Netanyahu in concocting the most outrageous warmongering slander against Iran, preparing the world for global conflagration.”

    Guess both ugly states rationalize their bloody crimes and mutual attachment by “existential threat.”

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  40. Cyrano says:
    @Kiza
    I respect your sentiment and the sentient of the "exiled off mainstreet", but I think that you are both quite mistaken. You are pointing out Russiagate as a malady, but Russigate is only a symptom of a much bigger and deeper malady. The US and the whole Western system is one huge debt- and lie-based house of cards. It is a matter of probably a few years when the whole thing will come tumbling down, firstly on the financial then all other liekets (a lie pretending to be a market). No-one knows how long one can live a lie, but the lie eventually comes to an end no matter how hard one tries to still kick the can further down the road.

    Therefore, whenever I read - Russia influenced our election - I understand: we are f'ed but we blame someone else. Therefore, Russiagate is a self-projection in a nutshell.

    I am going to have to disagree with you on this one Kiza. You think that I am not able to see the big picture, but I think otherwise.

    This is about a regime (in Washington), which I would like to call a deep state regime that is getting increasingly frustrated by their own incompetence and they are looking for someone to blame. The pick of the moment is Russia, but they have other candidates lined up to fill that role.

    The regime in Washington is angry at Russia, because they think of them as adversary that they’ve dealt with and which shouldn’t attempt a comeback. The only reason why Russia is attempting a comeback is because of the total idiocy of the deep state regime.

    The world was handed to them on a plate with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 and they had a free hand for about 15 years. It’s one of the most colossal blunders in history. In those 15 years – culminating with the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the deep state regime couldn’t do anything right.

    And now they are angry at Russia for not giving them enough time. It’s not only Russia who can’t afford to “give them more time”, the rest of the world can’t afford that luxury either. None of the actions of the deep state regime up to now suggest that they’ve got their s**t together.

    They were given a chance and now they are no longer worthy of that chance. The saying about history repeating itself first as a tragedy than as a farce totally doesn’t apply to US. They simply decided to skip couple of steps and make history appear as a farce right off the bat.

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  41. Art says:

    No matter how they go into the presidency – they are turned. Their good well-meaning intentions for peace are crushed by the ongoing deep state.

    Is seems that some big international government deep state types, grab the mind of our presidents and drive them into empire building.

    Cheney and Rumsfeld dominated Bush —- Brennan and Clapper, Obama — now Pompeo and Kushner own Trump.

    Hmm – how many CIA daily briefings before peace is kicked to the curb?

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Next to the Israeli government – the CIA has to be the biggest evil on the planet.

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  42. Druid says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Brennan and Clapper are agent provocateurs for the Zionists who control the U.S. government and the 17 gestapo agencies which in fact are controlled by dual citizen Zionists ie ISRAEL.

    Brennan and Clapper are under Zionist control and thus are traitors to the constitution of America and should be tried and sent to prison for life.

    Desert fox, agree completely. The Talmudists Ziofascist s are the biggest threat the world has faced forever. Now they have the US intheir clutches. What a state of affairs!!!!

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  43. Erebus says:
    @Beckow
    Don't try to confuse us with that 'common sense' nonsense (do you even know that there is no word for common sense in Russian? or for freedom?).

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is 'almost certainly a KGB asset'. There you go, case closed...

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is ‘almost certainly a KGB asset‘. There you go, case closed…

    Your acquaintance is not wrong, but it was the GRU, who took over the operation when the KGB disbanded, in collusion with rogue, communist elements in SOVA (who recruited Melania in the mid ’80s and managed her early career) that added some of the clever touches we’re seeing today.

    It is, of course plain to anyone who knows him that Trump had no plans to run for any Presidency, but that Melania’s constant insinuations skilfully massaged his ego to the point where he imagined himself in the Oval office, barking “You’re Fired” at anyone who came in. Once his candidacy was announced, the Kremlin’s political experts created and managed the strategies and tactics that Melania’s handlers fed to her and the later recruited Ivanka, who in turn fed them to Jared and the campaign staff. Everyone, you may recall, said they wouldn’t work, that they weren’t working, and that the polls were right, but Melania/Ivanka stuck to their guns. Of course, they themselves had no idea, but that’s why Trump thinks Ivanka walks on water.

    Meanwhile, other GRU operatives were sowing weak, easily debunked evidence of “Russian collusion” amongst the American intelligence agencies, the DNC, Hillary campaign officials, and of course the media, selectively reinforced by verbal communications from deep, “reliable & trusted” sources from inside the Kremlin itself. This had the effect of causing the Crappers to believe they were on to something big, focused their attention on Trump (who remains oblivious) and his aides, but also manoeuvred them into exposing themselves publicly as the fools and serial liars they had ever been. Totally discredited, they’ll serve to cover Melania’s trail by making laughable anything they may say later should her’s and/or Ivanka’s operational covers be blown.

    And that is how the Office of the President came to be run from the Kremlin via Trump Tower in NY, while the nominal POTUS goes to rallies, tweets, plays golf, and occasionally enjoys a little sword dancing. All in all, a daring operation, brilliantly executed. I swear that I’ve often seen the hand of the Serbian, and even elements of Czech intelligence services in this operation, but it’s all plausibly deniable. Wheels within wheels…

    Anyway, one of the greatest intelligence coups in history, and the hand of Putin is evident throughout. We’ll see how good a POTUS Putin will turn out to be. Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously, one of them by remote control, would normally present a challenge for any man, but the general consensus in E. European intelligence circles is that Putin’s actually enjoying himself. FWIW, those same circles say he’ll run off with Melania when this is all over, so take that with a grain of salt.

    :) !

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    Zio-Nazi in Ukraine are having success with their main goal -- creating an open wound on a Russian border. None of the zio-Nazi has any concern for ordinary Ukrainians :
    http://thesaker.is/snipers-at-ukraines-maidan-confess-to-shooting-both-sides-in-italian-report-ignored-by-msm/
    "There has now been 3.5 years of war in the Ukraine, and very little genuine coverage of it in the Mainstream Media. That’s why it is not surprising that the West has not cared to relay the appalling – but unsurprising – Italian news interview with 3 men who claim they were snipers at Maidan Square in Kiev in February 2014. The Italian newspaper Il Giornale and Italian Mediaset Matrix TV (Channel 5, most popular in Italy, English subtitled report here) first carried the story.
    In the Italian report the 3 snipers claim to have been hired in the Georgian capital by Saakashvili’s military advisor, Mamuka Mamulashvili. Guns, passports and a $5,000 fee secured the allegiance of these mercenaries.
    One of the mercenaries is quoted as saying: “I also told him (Mamulashvili): ‘Things are getting complicated, we have to start shooting….But who should we shoot?’. He replied that who and where did not matter – we only had to shoot somewhere in order to sow chaos.”
    The Italian report confirms what was famously leaked in a 2014 phone call between European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet.
    Paet to Ashton: “…all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers, from both sides, among policemen and people from the streets
    Paet to Ashton: “…so that now there is stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.
    So everybody knew back in February 2014 that the Maidan Protests were not a true expression of the People’s will because they had been co-opted by sinister forces. Compounded with the vast presence of neo-Nazis and their Russophobic statements...
    The problem is that Mainstream Media like The Guardian denigrate such a leak as a “conspiracy theory” when it was actually a serious policy conversation between two top government officials. Either they can’t tell the difference, or they are controlled…”
    , @Beckow

    "Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously"
     
    It will be even harder as the super-powers move towards a military confrontation. But with Putin's control of internet, he will pull it off...he has 'Melania' (obviously not her real name) by his side.

    Lately Putin has been moving to also run UK, France, Germany and some place called 'Catalonia' -
    probably a false flag of some kind, devilishly clever, who thought up the name?...

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  44. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is ‘almost certainly a KGB asset‘. There you go, case closed…
     
    Your acquaintance is not wrong, but it was the GRU, who took over the operation when the KGB disbanded, in collusion with rogue, communist elements in SOVA (who recruited Melania in the mid '80s and managed her early career) that added some of the clever touches we're seeing today.

    It is, of course plain to anyone who knows him that Trump had no plans to run for any Presidency, but that Melania's constant insinuations skilfully massaged his ego to the point where he imagined himself in the Oval office, barking "You're Fired" at anyone who came in. Once his candidacy was announced, the Kremlin's political experts created and managed the strategies and tactics that Melania's handlers fed to her and the later recruited Ivanka, who in turn fed them to Jared and the campaign staff. Everyone, you may recall, said they wouldn't work, that they weren't working, and that the polls were right, but Melania/Ivanka stuck to their guns. Of course, they themselves had no idea, but that's why Trump thinks Ivanka walks on water.

    Meanwhile, other GRU operatives were sowing weak, easily debunked evidence of "Russian collusion" amongst the American intelligence agencies, the DNC, Hillary campaign officials, and of course the media, selectively reinforced by verbal communications from deep, "reliable & trusted" sources from inside the Kremlin itself. This had the effect of causing the Crappers to believe they were on to something big, focused their attention on Trump (who remains oblivious) and his aides, but also manoeuvred them into exposing themselves publicly as the fools and serial liars they had ever been. Totally discredited, they'll serve to cover Melania's trail by making laughable anything they may say later should her's and/or Ivanka's operational covers be blown.

    And that is how the Office of the President came to be run from the Kremlin via Trump Tower in NY, while the nominal POTUS goes to rallies, tweets, plays golf, and occasionally enjoys a little sword dancing. All in all, a daring operation, brilliantly executed. I swear that I've often seen the hand of the Serbian, and even elements of Czech intelligence services in this operation, but it's all plausibly deniable. Wheels within wheels...

    Anyway, one of the greatest intelligence coups in history, and the hand of Putin is evident throughout. We'll see how good a POTUS Putin will turn out to be. Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously, one of them by remote control, would normally present a challenge for any man, but the general consensus in E. European intelligence circles is that Putin's actually enjoying himself. FWIW, those same circles say he'll run off with Melania when this is all over, so take that with a grain of salt.

    :) !

    Zio-Nazi in Ukraine are having success with their main goal — creating an open wound on a Russian border. None of the zio-Nazi has any concern for ordinary Ukrainians :

    http://thesaker.is/snipers-at-ukraines-maidan-confess-to-shooting-both-sides-in-italian-report-ignored-by-msm/

    “There has now been 3.5 years of war in the Ukraine, and very little genuine coverage of it in the Mainstream Media. That’s why it is not surprising that the West has not cared to relay the appalling – but unsurprising – Italian news interview with 3 men who claim they were snipers at Maidan Square in Kiev in February 2014. The Italian newspaper Il Giornale and Italian Mediaset Matrix TV (Channel 5, most popular in Italy, English subtitled report here) first carried the story.
    In the Italian report the 3 snipers claim to have been hired in the Georgian capital by Saakashvili’s military advisor, Mamuka Mamulashvili. Guns, passports and a $5,000 fee secured the allegiance of these mercenaries.
    One of the mercenaries is quoted as saying: “I also told him (Mamulashvili): ‘Things are getting complicated, we have to start shooting….But who should we shoot?’. He replied that who and where did not matter – we only had to shoot somewhere in order to sow chaos.”
    The Italian report confirms what was famously leaked in a 2014 phone call between European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet.
    Paet to Ashton: “…all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers, from both sides, among policemen and people from the streets
    Paet to Ashton: “…so that now there is stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.
    So everybody knew back in February 2014 that the Maidan Protests were not a true expression of the People’s will because they had been co-opted by sinister forces. Compounded with the vast presence of neo-Nazis and their Russophobic statements…
    The problem is that Mainstream Media like The Guardian denigrate such a leak as a “conspiracy theory” when it was actually a serious policy conversation between two top government officials. Either they can’t tell the difference, or they are controlled…”

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  45. Beckow says:
    @Erebus

    An acquaintance told me recently that Melania is ‘almost certainly a KGB asset‘. There you go, case closed…
     
    Your acquaintance is not wrong, but it was the GRU, who took over the operation when the KGB disbanded, in collusion with rogue, communist elements in SOVA (who recruited Melania in the mid '80s and managed her early career) that added some of the clever touches we're seeing today.

    It is, of course plain to anyone who knows him that Trump had no plans to run for any Presidency, but that Melania's constant insinuations skilfully massaged his ego to the point where he imagined himself in the Oval office, barking "You're Fired" at anyone who came in. Once his candidacy was announced, the Kremlin's political experts created and managed the strategies and tactics that Melania's handlers fed to her and the later recruited Ivanka, who in turn fed them to Jared and the campaign staff. Everyone, you may recall, said they wouldn't work, that they weren't working, and that the polls were right, but Melania/Ivanka stuck to their guns. Of course, they themselves had no idea, but that's why Trump thinks Ivanka walks on water.

    Meanwhile, other GRU operatives were sowing weak, easily debunked evidence of "Russian collusion" amongst the American intelligence agencies, the DNC, Hillary campaign officials, and of course the media, selectively reinforced by verbal communications from deep, "reliable & trusted" sources from inside the Kremlin itself. This had the effect of causing the Crappers to believe they were on to something big, focused their attention on Trump (who remains oblivious) and his aides, but also manoeuvred them into exposing themselves publicly as the fools and serial liars they had ever been. Totally discredited, they'll serve to cover Melania's trail by making laughable anything they may say later should her's and/or Ivanka's operational covers be blown.

    And that is how the Office of the President came to be run from the Kremlin via Trump Tower in NY, while the nominal POTUS goes to rallies, tweets, plays golf, and occasionally enjoys a little sword dancing. All in all, a daring operation, brilliantly executed. I swear that I've often seen the hand of the Serbian, and even elements of Czech intelligence services in this operation, but it's all plausibly deniable. Wheels within wheels...

    Anyway, one of the greatest intelligence coups in history, and the hand of Putin is evident throughout. We'll see how good a POTUS Putin will turn out to be. Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously, one of them by remote control, would normally present a challenge for any man, but the general consensus in E. European intelligence circles is that Putin's actually enjoying himself. FWIW, those same circles say he'll run off with Melania when this is all over, so take that with a grain of salt.

    :) !

    “Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously”

    It will be even harder as the super-powers move towards a military confrontation. But with Putin’s control of internet, he will pull it off…he has ‘Melania’ (obviously not her real name) by his side.

    Lately Putin has been moving to also run UK, France, Germany and some place called ‘Catalonia’ -
    probably a false flag of some kind, devilishly clever, who thought up the name?…

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    Lately Putin has been moving to also run UK, France, Germany and some place called ‘Catalonia’
     
    You're forgetting Austria and Netherlands.

    Of course, he has full control over Hungary and Czech Republic, and (believe it or not) is taking a circuitous route to take over Poland. Watch for the "Muslims or Moscow" regime change campaign to start in the new year. Tore a page out of Soros' book.

    Western agencies barely see the tip of Putin's iceberg of power. They don't even realize he's directing their Russophobia campaign for his own purposes towards unknown ends. They have no idea of the real, far-reaching resonances of "Putin did it!". They're just useful idiots helping him along the way to world domination. Not even 007 can stop him now.
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  46. robt says:
    @Kiza
    I respect your sentiment and the sentient of the "exiled off mainstreet", but I think that you are both quite mistaken. You are pointing out Russiagate as a malady, but Russigate is only a symptom of a much bigger and deeper malady. The US and the whole Western system is one huge debt- and lie-based house of cards. It is a matter of probably a few years when the whole thing will come tumbling down, firstly on the financial then all other liekets (a lie pretending to be a market). No-one knows how long one can live a lie, but the lie eventually comes to an end no matter how hard one tries to still kick the can further down the road.

    Therefore, whenever I read - Russia influenced our election - I understand: we are f'ed but we blame someone else. Therefore, Russiagate is a self-projection in a nutshell.

    Russiagate is the present manifestation that represents collective mania and psychosis of the moment. Economic disfunction will certainly manifest itself, and blame will inevitably be placed where ever is does not belong, which is the tendency of politicians and economists when their linear forecasts of prosperity collapse, as they do periodically. To attempt to characterize Russiagate as a projection of a subset of a larger malady is to diminish it, whereas it is a special event of its own, with its own foci. These foci are to diminish and deligitimize the presidency, and to create aggressive hostility towards Russia with the objective of destroying any hope for peaceful relations.
    I see the current mania and visible ‘malady’ as just the typical left-wing Democratic Party’s tendency to blame someone or everyone else. In this case, they lost the election, saw it coming no matter what they or their media claimed, couldn’t have it overturned by bogus court actions or intimidation of the electoral college, put in place landmines to undermine the new presidency in the months following the election, and continued their campaign of disinformation with new vigour after the Inauguration with the concerted help of the media and their friends still embedded in government.
    I think a partial cure for these sorts of events, typically after the Democrats lose elections, is to make the handover of government almost immediate, as they do in most Parliamentary systems, typically on the next day or so after losing an election, and is the reason why opposition parties have a shadow cabinet ready to take office quickly.
    Granted that the silly Russiagate stories started sometime before Election Day when the scandals revealed in the leaked-emails were becoming impossible to rationalize and dismiss, but a great measure of the damage caused by the Democrats would have been mitigated with an immediate handover of power. Over two and a half months of vindictive mischief is potentially too damaging.

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    I do not disagree with what you wrote, but as a US person you are seeing Russiagate as a Democrat/Left malady. In reality, all manner of failing EU governments, conservative (UK) to social-democrat (Germany) has jumped into Russiagate head first. Therefore, Russiagate is a mania and a projection and even just a universal excuse for own failures: Putin dog ate my homework. Trains do not run on time because Putin sabotaged that.

    The sickness and stupidity of the West is mindbogling.
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  47. Cyrano says:

    Obviously, Russia is an experienced player in international politics. They could have just as easily gotten drunk on power and went way overboard when they “meddled” in the US elections. Thank God that the Russians had common sense and used restrain. Can you imagine if the Russians were less tactful and had Putin elected as president in the last US elections? Now that would have definitely raised some eyebrows.

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    "if the Russians were less tactful and had Putin elected as president in the last US elections"
     
    You are so easily fooled, but of course they did elect him. Papadoupolos married Putin's niece and faked a few emails. Then they moved on to some real collusion by using Pinterest, vicious puppies and a false flag on some elderly Turkish guy living in Pennsylvania countryside.

    One more hint: 'Maltese professor acted as a go-between', how devious was that? At this point they are just f..ing with us...

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  48. Beckow says:
    @Cyrano
    Obviously, Russia is an experienced player in international politics. They could have just as easily gotten drunk on power and went way overboard when they “meddled” in the US elections. Thank God that the Russians had common sense and used restrain. Can you imagine if the Russians were less tactful and had Putin elected as president in the last US elections? Now that would have definitely raised some eyebrows.

    “if the Russians were less tactful and had Putin elected as president in the last US elections”

    You are so easily fooled, but of course they did elect him. Papadoupolos married Putin’s niece and faked a few emails. Then they moved on to some real collusion by using Pinterest, vicious puppies and a false flag on some elderly Turkish guy living in Pennsylvania countryside.

    One more hint: ‘Maltese professor acted as a go-between‘, how devious was that? At this point they are just f..ing with us…

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  49. Erebus says:
    @Beckow

    "Running the Presidencies of two opposing super-powers simultaneously"
     
    It will be even harder as the super-powers move towards a military confrontation. But with Putin's control of internet, he will pull it off...he has 'Melania' (obviously not her real name) by his side.

    Lately Putin has been moving to also run UK, France, Germany and some place called 'Catalonia' -
    probably a false flag of some kind, devilishly clever, who thought up the name?...

    Lately Putin has been moving to also run UK, France, Germany and some place called ‘Catalonia’

    You’re forgetting Austria and Netherlands.

    Of course, he has full control over Hungary and Czech Republic, and (believe it or not) is taking a circuitous route to take over Poland. Watch for the “Muslims or Moscow” regime change campaign to start in the new year. Tore a page out of Soros’ book.

    Western agencies barely see the tip of Putin’s iceberg of power. They don’t even realize he’s directing their Russophobia campaign for his own purposes towards unknown ends. They have no idea of the real, far-reaching resonances of “Putin did it!”. They’re just useful idiots helping him along the way to world domination. Not even 007 can stop him now.

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  50. “Brennan and Clapper: Elder Statesmen or Serial Fabricators?”

    This is a trick question, right? Nobody could mistake either of these nonentities for statesmen and it’s obvious that both are liars. Leave it to CNN to drag people, whose only claim to fame is that they have somehow avoided prison, onto one of their “news shows” in order to push a narrative that only a lunatic could accept.

    When the spokesmen for such a lame idea are such obvious serial felons, it’s easy to conclude that the idea itself is ludicrous.

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    Brennan had arrived to Kiev (secretly) on the eve of the new regime' military operations against pro-federalists in Eastern Ukraine. https://www.sott.net/article/285323-The-pathological-falsification-of-reality-in-Ukraine-by-US-and-NATO
    While Nuland-Kagan was busy with selecting a "proper" government for Ukrainians, the State Dept.’ Georgian and neo-Nazi connections were used to arrange the indiscriminate murder of Maidan protesters: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-truth-about-ukraine-italian-documentary-bombshell-evidence-kiev-euromaidan-snipers-kill-demonstrators/5619684
    “The snipers were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger (his Facebook page is here).... the operation was initiated by the former president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili.
    It is reasonable to suspect that the US/Nato forces are encouraging Kiev's military onslaught, which now involves war crimes, in order to ultimately provoke Russian President Putin to an invasion, which will bleed the Russian economy, demoralize the Russian people, and cause a bloodbath of Russian and Ukranians..."
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  51. Kiza says:
    @robt
    Russiagate is the present manifestation that represents collective mania and psychosis of the moment. Economic disfunction will certainly manifest itself, and blame will inevitably be placed where ever is does not belong, which is the tendency of politicians and economists when their linear forecasts of prosperity collapse, as they do periodically. To attempt to characterize Russiagate as a projection of a subset of a larger malady is to diminish it, whereas it is a special event of its own, with its own foci. These foci are to diminish and deligitimize the presidency, and to create aggressive hostility towards Russia with the objective of destroying any hope for peaceful relations.
    I see the current mania and visible 'malady' as just the typical left-wing Democratic Party's tendency to blame someone or everyone else. In this case, they lost the election, saw it coming no matter what they or their media claimed, couldn't have it overturned by bogus court actions or intimidation of the electoral college, put in place landmines to undermine the new presidency in the months following the election, and continued their campaign of disinformation with new vigour after the Inauguration with the concerted help of the media and their friends still embedded in government.
    I think a partial cure for these sorts of events, typically after the Democrats lose elections, is to make the handover of government almost immediate, as they do in most Parliamentary systems, typically on the next day or so after losing an election, and is the reason why opposition parties have a shadow cabinet ready to take office quickly.
    Granted that the silly Russiagate stories started sometime before Election Day when the scandals revealed in the leaked-emails were becoming impossible to rationalize and dismiss, but a great measure of the damage caused by the Democrats would have been mitigated with an immediate handover of power. Over two and a half months of vindictive mischief is potentially too damaging.

    I do not disagree with what you wrote, but as a US person you are seeing Russiagate as a Democrat/Left malady. In reality, all manner of failing EU governments, conservative (UK) to social-democrat (Germany) has jumped into Russiagate head first. Therefore, Russiagate is a mania and a projection and even just a universal excuse for own failures: Putin dog ate my homework. Trains do not run on time because Putin sabotaged that.

    The sickness and stupidity of the West is mindbogling.

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  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "Brennan and Clapper: Elder Statesmen or Serial Fabricators?"

    This is a trick question, right? Nobody could mistake either of these nonentities for statesmen and it's obvious that both are liars. Leave it to CNN to drag people, whose only claim to fame is that they have somehow avoided prison, onto one of their "news shows" in order to push a narrative that only a lunatic could accept.

    When the spokesmen for such a lame idea are such obvious serial felons, it's easy to conclude that the idea itself is ludicrous.

    Brennan had arrived to Kiev (secretly) on the eve of the new regime’ military operations against pro-federalists in Eastern Ukraine. https://www.sott.net/article/285323-The-pathological-falsification-of-reality-in-Ukraine-by-US-and-NATO
    While Nuland-Kagan was busy with selecting a “proper” government for Ukrainians, the State Dept.’ Georgian and neo-Nazi connections were used to arrange the indiscriminate murder of Maidan protesters: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-truth-about-ukraine-italian-documentary-bombshell-evidence-kiev-euromaidan-snipers-kill-demonstrators/5619684
    “The snipers were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger (his Facebook page is here)…. the operation was initiated by the former president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili.
    It is reasonable to suspect that the US/Nato forces are encouraging Kiev’s military onslaught, which now involves war crimes, in order to ultimately provoke Russian President Putin to an invasion, which will bleed the Russian economy, demoralize the Russian people, and cause a bloodbath of Russian and Ukranians…”

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  53. Pearse says:

    Question, all this seems calculated.. Are Brennan and Clapper behind the Secret Society mentioned in the texts? They certainly are capable and have shown to be willing to manipulate and prevaricate to achieve their goals?

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