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“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it.”

— Thomas Paine

British voters delivered a savage deathblow to the EU corporate superstate on Thursday sending global markets tumbling and forcing Prime Minister David Cameron to announce his resignation. The narrow victory, which caught the prognosticators by surprise, is the strongest sign yet that working people across the continent are awakening to economic and political disaster that has been created in the name of European integration. Not only has the EU failed to live up to its promise of lifting all boats and widening prosperity, it has also transformed the region into a low-growth, high unemployment charnel house where bankers and their corporate allies siphon off the wealth of the weaker states to enrich high-flying speculators and voracious bondholders. And while the referendum’s outcome will surely be challenged in the months to come, it represents a critical turning point in the public’s attitude towards a thoroughly reactionary and odious institution that is solely responsible for the abysmal state of the economy, the progressive erosion of living standards, and steady rise of right wing extremism. Here’s a short clip from Raul Ilargi Meijer explaining what Brexit really means:

“Nobody seems to understand it’s not about Cameron or Nigel Farage, or Michael Gove vs Boris Johnson, it’s about voting for or against the EU, for or against Juncker and Tusk and five other unelected presidents having a say in one’s life.

And that’s not all either. It’s about voting to leave, or remain in, a Union that is already dead and preserved only in a zombie state. Brexit is just one vote and many more will inevitably follow. Brexit is not the first, Grexit had that ‘honor’ last year. Later this month, elections in Italy and Spain have the potential to turn into preliminary Italix and Spexit votes. And then there will be more.

The reason why these things are taking place, and will be, going forward, is that the economies of all these countries are fast deteriorating. The sole reason why people have accepted the rule of Brussels coming from far away over their daily lives, is the promise that it would make those lives better and more comfortable. That promise has been shattered. The EU has made things worse for most Europeans, not improved them. And when seen in that light, why should people agree to continue to be told what to do by those who’ve made them poorer? There’s no democratic model in which that remotely makes sense. There are only undemocratic models left….

An economy in decline means the end of centralization and the end of existing political power structures. This is inevitable.” (“Murder, Lifeboats, an Iceberg and an Orchestra“, Automatic Earth)

The Brexit referendum represents a fundamental rejection of austerity for working people and subsidies (QE) for the markets. It is an indictment of the destructive policies that have thrust a broad swathe of southern Europe into a permanent depression while bankers in Paris and Berlin make out like bandits. Even now the loathsome European Central Bank continues to run up massive debts (ECB-QE is $80 billion per month) just to line the pockets of corporate CEOs who offload their toxic bonds with the clear intention of using the money to buyback their own shares further enriching themselves and their swinish shareholders at the expense of ordinary investors. This Ponzi-rip off is what passes as economic policy in the EU. Brexit threatens put an end to this huckster’s swindle. Here’s a little more background from the World Socialist Web Site:

“The EU is an instrument of the ruling classes of Europe for the imposition of brutal austerity measures—most directly on the workers of Greece, of Spain, Portugal and Ireland, but also on workers in the UK, France and Germany….Prime minister, Cameron, has even proclaimed an “Age of Austerity” as his government imposes cuts of £210 billion, (€263 billion), equivalent to over 10 percent of Britain’s GDP, at the cost of the destruction of 20 percent of all public sector jobs, millions more in the private sector and the decimation of vital services.

The EU is second of all an instrument of military aggression. It is a vital ally of NATO in its escalating conflict with Russia and China as the US and European powers seek to control all of the world’s markets and resources—including vital oil and gas riches commanded by the Putin regime in Moscow and the giant production platform manned by billions of super-exploited workers led by President Xi Jinping in Beijing.” (“The Brexit referendum and the struggle for socialism“, World Socialist Web Site)

Brexit is also a rejection of incoherent immigration policies whose objective is to accommodate the millions of victims of US war-making in the Middle East. EU leaders should make every effort, including economic sanctions, to stop Washington from arming and training extremist proxies that are currently fighting in Syria and who have forced roughly 4 million refugees to flee to Europe for safety. Europe shouldn’t be blamed for the blowback from America’s bloodthirsty foreign policy. Even so, Brussel’s unwillingness to stand up to Washington on this matter has allowed radical elements to emerge whose xenophobia is fueling widespread anti-immigrant hysteria. In the US, GOP hopeful, Donald Trump has capitalized off anti-immigrant sentiment making a wall along the Mexico border a central tenet of his platform.

Trump issued a statement shortly after the results of the EU referendum were announced. He said:

“The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump administration.


 Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again.”

Trump owes his popularity entirely to the mismanagement of the US economy which–like the EU–provides trillions for Wall Street while leaving Main Street to fend for itself. The widening of inequality is paralleled by the rise in political extremism which is hastening the dissolution of the EU superstate and the move towards war. And Britain is just the tip of the iceberg. According to a recent survey by the Pew Research Center, only 38 percent of people in France had a favorable view of the EU, down from 69 percent in 2004. (which is lower than the level of support in the UK). Similarly, only 47 percent of the Spanish population holds a favorable view of the EU, down from 80 percent in 2007.

The EU has shown that it is as incapable of reform as it is of accepting responsibility for perpetuating a financial crisis that began 7 years ago and persists to this very day. It has also demonstrated repeatedly that it will not hesitate to inflict as much economic pain as possible on its victims unless they comply with its counterproductive edicts. Worst of all, the strict rules of the EU make it impossible for state representatives to follow the will of their people or to act in a way that serves their own national interests. Any deviation from Brussel’s neoliberal consensus is likely to end up before the European Court of Justice where the mega corporations have the upper hand. By leaving the EU, Britain will restore its sovereignty and strengthen its democracy. Ambrose Evans Pritchard summed it up like this:

“Stripped of distractions, it comes down to an elemental choice: whether to restore the full self-government of this nation, or to continue living under a higher supranational regime, ruled by a European Council that we do not elect in any meaningful sense, and that the British people can never remove, even when it persists in error.”

Hat’s off to the British voters who had the guts to reject the EU corporate slavestate and cast their ballot for freedom. You’re an inspiration to us all.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. My hardy congratulations to the Brits. I didn’t think they had it in them. For that I offer my humble apology.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @helena
  2. helena says:
    @WorkingClass

    Nobody did because the totalitarian approach of liberalism has successfully prevented rational public discussion of immigration (including ‘in the street and cafes’, not just ‘on TV’) and so noone really knew if they were an isolated racist nutter or not. But it would be foolish to think that the totalitarian form of liberalism has gone away. Europeans delenda est is still in the air.

  3. Bravo! The olde farting lesbian is next….chop her down like an old dead tree.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  4. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    Well incidentally I had a little bee in my bonnet” to take a bet with odds against the Warriors couple a days ago, could a made a buck I think.

    Now I thought the Brexit would fail, though I was rooting for it, so that makes us even.

    But, however, the next thing is whether the vote on Brexit, can hold.

    Now I wonder, because I am old enough to have seen that referrendums that go against the main well be undercut, they will go around, it will be overwritten.. and etc.

  5. rod1963 says:

    “Corporate slave state” a apt name for the EU.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I didn’t think we had it in us either, so don’t feel bad.

    It is a good first step.

    • Replies: @Epaminondas
  7. “The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump administration.


 “

    PM Boris Johnson for VP … as he is an American citizen, he can be both, and put us back on the road to one world govt.

  8. Tom Welsh says:

    Thanks, WorkingClass. To be honest, I didn’t think we had it in us either. And we have a very great deal to thank Nigel Farage for – in the face of amazing torrents of coarse abuse and entirely false allegations, he not only kept on truckin’ but smiled and hoisted a pint while doing so. God bless the man.

    • Agree: artichoke
  9. The simple world of the enlightened… alas, reality.

  10. El Dato says:

    The counter-BREXIT is now in motion.

    Watch out, there will be threats. There will be violence, there will be pomposity, there will be “I told you so-s” and “Why didn’t you listen to the young ones” and “more power to 14-18yo voters” with a background of rainbow flags.

    • Replies: @YT Wurlitzer
  11. El Dato says:

    Also, that “World Socialist Web Site” seems quite a bit confused.

    “Austerity” for the gigantic tick of people living on government largesse, directly or indirectly, would be a really good thing for the EU, and I’m not only talking about the upper crust of “fonctionnaires”.

    Actually, the paychecks of tax-eaters doing vaguely incompetence time from 09:00 to 16:00 seem to have gone up while the paychecks of tax-producers have gone down and taxes have been raised.

    This is generally not understood by EU citizen who think that there is a machine that produces money somewhere under the bowels of parliament (well, there is the ECB but it just produces gaily printed paper, not money). The utterly stupid protests by confused youngsters in France about any change in the status quo of “you need not work but must get paid by the exploitative CEOs” attests to that.

    Let’s try some capitalism again!

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @denk
  12. Put not yer faith in Trump, a wholly ignorant ass despite his billions.

    “A Trump administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump administration.”

    I guess he musta forgot, if he ever knew, that the US and Great Britain united were great supporters of the murderous Stalin. So much for making ” The whole world […] more peaceful and stable…”

    Gawd help us!

    PS: Glad to see yer back on track, Mike! (Recognizing that political and financial centralization just makes fleecing the public more efficient.)

    • Replies: @Seneca44
    , @edNels
  13. there is a huge storm of news headlines stating trillions of dollars lost via the exit. they want a referendum on the referendum so bad 🙂

  14. Durruti says:

    I live across from a Lake, and this morning I heard a Frog – saying “Brexit,” “Brexit,” “Brexit.”

    The commentators are correct that the British vote is just the beginning of the surge for European Freedom. They failed to mention that this move to National and Economic freedom necessitates a break with the Zionist/Jewish/Rothschilds, et. al., owned banks.

    However the Brexit vote is a heady breath of Free Air for the peoples of our planet. Credit for the vote must be given to those who fought the Zionist World Order, street by street, and trench by trench for the past generation.

    Dieudonné, Alain Soral, Nigel Farage, Ron Paul, (did I mention Ron Paul?), Marine Le Pen, Jean Marie Le Pen, all the Le Pens, Edward Snowden, Hassan Nasrallah, the Partisans of Novorossiya, our martyred President, John F. Kennedy, a hero who loved his country more than anything else, (read his Profiles of Courage), The Syrian Army, and the courageous British voters, who resisted all threats, and fear mongering, and voted for Freedom, and all the others. We loves them all!!!

    The hard work remains. America needs to restore its Sovereignty, and its Republic.

    “but where can we draw water,”
    said Pearse to Connolly,
    “When all the wells are parched away?
    O plain as plain can be
    There’s nothing but our own red blood
    Can make a right rose tree.”

    Durruti

    for the Anarchist Collective

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  15. Seneca44 says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Must agree with your characterization of Mr. Trump.

    The mainstream media act as if Britain will now become an isolated island who trades with no one. Predicting the future is always difficult, but business may be more productive and efficient in a U.K. unshackled by EU mandates. If prices drop, consumers will buy more British products and services despite what may be some minor inconveniences to import/export such as customs and passport control.

    I wish we in the US could have some states exit–Texit has a nice ring to it–but that didn’t work out so well the last time in 1861.

  16. Rehmat says:
    @Durruti

    Hold you celebration. Nothing is going to change in the old British colonial power as all its four major political parties are in the pocket of pro-Israel Shylocks. There is no FRESH AIR is coming into United Kingdom because the powerful Jewish lobby groups would make sure that no Sheikh Nasrullah is born in the country.

    Palestinian refugees in Lebanon buried their hero Samir el-Kuntar, who was martyred by a missile fired from an Israeli F16 donated by US taxpayer on December 20, 2015. Kuntar spent 29 years in Israeli jail for murdering a European Jew terrorist in Palestine. Kuntar, a Lebanese Druze, was a member of Popular Front for the Liberation Palestine (PFLP), a Marxist militia, established by Palestinian Christian Dr. George Habash (d. 2008).

    At the time of his martyrdom, he was leading a group of PFLP fighters fighting along with Syrian army along Syrian-Israel border.

    Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, secretary general of Lebanese Islamic Resistance Hizbullah in a message on the martyrdom of Samir el-Kuntar called Israeli soldiers cowards. He was referring to the way Israeli soldiers ran out of Southern Lebanon in 2000, and Israeli army’s humiliation during 54-day war in 2006. In both cases, like Samir Kuntar’s assassination, the Jewish army used its airpower instead of fighting Muslims and Christians on ground.

    “The retaliation to Samir’s assassination will inevitably come. The Israelis are worried, and they should be worried – along the border, inside Israel and outside of it. We do not fear any repercussions or threats, and we cannot tolerate that the blood of our freedom-fighters and brother be shed anywhere in this world,” Nasrallah said at a memorial event at a hall in Dahieh in a televised address.

    Though the Jewish media in the West is trying to minimize Nasrallah threat based on the assumption that Hizbullah fighters are pre-occupied fighting ISIL militants led by Mossad agent Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi aka Elliott Shimon. However, Israeli press is paranoid by Nasrallah warning.

    Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot mentioned that if Hizbullah follows the current rules of engagement, revenging el-Kuntar’s assassination is matter of time, expecting that the party would launch a ground attack on the Israeli sites on the Palestinian northern border.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/29/nasrallah-israeli-soldiers-are-cowards/

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Stonehands
  17. @Anonymous

    “First step” is correct. Should the Scots decide to secede, the Labour party in England will be fatally wounded and the English will be free to push through conservative reforms both in the social and economic spheres. Complications with Ireland are going to be a problem, though. N. Ireland will have to enforce its border to keep out unwanted immigrants coming from Europe via Ireland who want to reach England. It should be interesting.

    • Replies: @helena
  18. I just ask we be more clever with the names. Italix? No, that sounds like someone of neutral gender you’d pay to for a BDSM session.

    How about Italeave? Fruckoff for France. Czachout? Departugal? Oustria?

    Finland could just be Finish. 😀

  19. KA says:

    FAIR is reporting that the avowed realists known for calling governement’s actions particularly those engineered by neoconservatives as the best suited ,exemplary and perfect solution of any given foreign relation problem have this time explored new domain usually addressed by by conspiracy theory – their usual default position ,everytime they are exposed or questioned , is seeing now conspiracy in Brexit result.

    [MORE]

    “No theory for the success of Brexit was too far-fetched–as long as the right people were blamed. (Telegraph, 6/21/16)

    The referendum results in favor of Britain leaving the European Union seemed to have caught most Western media off guard. Betting markets and the pundit class had heavily favored a vote to keep the UK in the EU, but at around midnight on the US East Coast, it became increasingly clear Britain would be supporting “Brexit” by a roughly 52–48 percent margin. Per usual, the more cynical writers and pundits—no matter how contrived the task would be — would take the opportunity to take a story about a nationalistic British response to a pro-austerity EU, and make it about Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin.

    First up was the idea that Brexit resulted from Obama not adequately invading and bombing Syria, namely having not overthrown the “Assad regime” in 2013. The Washington Post‘s Josh Rogin insisted that Obama’s “neglect” of Syria had prolonged the conflict, which thus caused more refugees and thereby provoked more racist backlash:

    If you’re counting at home, that’s four causal links needed to blame Obama for the UK leaving the EU, despite the fact that Obama had actively lobbied for it. To say nothing of the fact that Obama has done anything but “neglect” Syria, having armed and funded anti-Assad and anti-ISIS forces for years, as well as assisting the Saudis, Turks and Qataris in doing the same.

    This sentiment was repeated by Ruth Sherlock, US editor for the Daily Telegraph:

    On Andrea Mitchell Reports (6/24/16), Chuck Todd echoed this canard as well. Note that this claim is based on the assumption that not bombing and invading countries is what causes violence—putting aside the assertion that arming and funding proxy wars for almost four years is equivalent to “neglect.”

    But blaming Obama is never enough. One has to contrive a reason to somehow use the Brexit to further demagogue against Russia—another favorite pastime of Western media. The most popular way of doing this was to insinuate that Putin was pro-Brexit based only on vague notions of aligned interest, rather than citing any statements by Putin himself:

    Russia Says Brexit Opens Door for New UK Relations but US Blasts Vote as ‘Putin’s Victory’ (Express, 6/24/16)
    Brexit: Few Will Be Happier Than Vladimir Putin (Sky News, 6/24/16)
    Putin Will Be Rubbing His Hands at the Prospect of Brexit (Guardian, 6/5/16)
    Consistent Russia critic Daily Beast (6/8/16) published a 1,400–word piece suggesting Russia was secretly pushing Brexit, without an ounce of primary source evidence—only a smattering of secondhand assumptions and hearsay.

    The day after Thursday’s referendum, Putin would blame the exit on the “arrogance” of British leadership, but the Kremlin, much to the disappointment of professional cold war pundits, still had yet to make a value claim either way.

    Indeed, last week Putin was confused why the UK held the vote at all, and expressly withheld sharing an opinion on the matter (Reuters, 6/17/16):

    “If it’s such a problem, why did he initiate this, if he is against it himself?” Putin said of Cameron at a meeting on the sidelines of the St Petersburg International Economic Forum.

    Putin said that he had a view on whether Britain should leave the EU but that it was not appropriate for him to voice it because it was Britain’s internal affair.

    The Telegraph (yes, the same Telegraph whose editor blamed Obama not invading Syria for Brexit) would take this tactic one step further, writing what has to be one of the goofiest headlines in the history of Russia panic, two days before the vote (6/21/16):

    Is Vladimir Putin Orchestrating Russian Football Hooligans to Push Britain out of the EU?

    So Putin’s elaborate soccer-hooligan psyop was designed to push Britain out of the EU? The causes of Brexit are complex and will be dissected over the coming weeks, but it’s fair to say Putin’s sinister “hybrid warfare” — or even Putin’s alleged support — had little to do with it.

    “Never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel once said. The same is true for large global shakeups like the exiting of Britain from the EU. Those who already dislike Obama or want to criticize Russia will shoehorn in a breaking story like Brexit to suit their own tangential agenda. By blaming Obama’s lack of a direct Syrian invasion and Russia’s lack of express support, these pundits are letting Britain’s own homegrown demagogues, nationalists and xenophobes off the hook—not to mention the EU’s own anti-democratic structures and pro-austerity policies that made staying with Europe a less appealing prospect.

    But attributing Brexit on British rightists and European neoliberals calls into question corporate media’s leading ideologies. Better to put the blame on two individual leaders who had little or nothing to do with it.

    Adam Johnson is a contributing analyst for FAIR.org. Follow him on Twitter at @AdamJohnsonNYC.”

  20. Durruti says:
    @Rehmat

    Rehmat

    “Hold you celebration. Nothing is going to change in the old British colonial power as all its four major political parties are in the pocket of pro-Israel Shylocks. ”

    You are correct.

    However, we have witnessed – that:

    The vote in favor of Brexit was a breath of Fresh Air. It was a hint of revolt, (with a whiff of gunpowder to come?). The vote in favor of Brexit came – Despite – the opposition of Britain’s major political parties (corrupt gangs controlled by Zionist Financiers/Bankers). Despite all the negative and fear mongering, and brainwashing, the majority of British voters saw the light.

    This vote for Brexit: “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” Winston Churchill

    Rehmat, with your permission, or without it, I am enjoying a bit of a celebration. That was a lovely vote. Today is a good day, and, perhaps, tomorrow will be even better.

    Much work remains to be done.

  21. Do not count your chickens before they hatch. The Leave side has won but only by a narrow margin. The forces behind globalization do not give up that easy. What the Brits can expect now is a campaign of intimidation, threats, economic sanctions of all sorts, bureaucratic hurdles and other assorted underhand tricks. You can see them already. Stocks are falling not because Brexit could have any substantial effect on world economy but to make the world angry at those who voted to leave. There are attempts to reverse the referendum. A petition to call a new referendum is under way and allegedly has already gathered a million signatures. The mayor of London wants that city to remain part of EU. With Great Britain being in charge of its immigration policy once again he would not be able to bring in any more migrants to vote him back in office. The Scots want back to EU. In media there is a campaign of fear (as usual) about the consequences of Brexit. The forces of globalization are not scared they are mad at the impudence of serfs trying to assert themselves. In the coming days the Brits will have an opportunity to prove how serious they really are about their independence. Their success will inspire others, their failure will break the spirit of any potential follower.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @helena
  22. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    I guess he musta forgot, if he ever knew, that the US and Great Britain united were great supporters of the murderous Stalin.

    A silly remark. Britain and the US were engaged at the time in a war with Hitler who had embarked on the conquest of Russia. It was the shared antagonism to Hitler that dictated the UK/US support for Stalin, in which connection Winston Churchill drew this apt analogy:

    “if Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.”

  23. @El Dato

    Threat, violence, pomposity and mendacity. Yellen must be thrilled to have her excuse to not raise rates and negative rates are already being mentioned again. Remember folks, during the incoming counter-Brexit storm, that the economy was already on life support and the central banks were already unable its sinking under their own policies and the capture of all government power by rent seekers. They will blame those who oppose their rule and I’m sure ABCFOXCNN etc. will be as much help as my pseudonym. For the younger set there are social media equivalents for Narrative Enforcement.

  24. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Brussel’s unwillingness to stand up to Washington on this matter has allowed radical elements to emerge whose xenophobia is fueling widespread anti-immigrant hysteria.

    When you are being genocided by mass immigration, its not hysterical or xenophobic to fight back, although the victims of genocide often fail to do so because they are overwhelmed by the propaganda used against them, for example, being called xenophobes, and hysterics. Millions of Europe’s Jews, after all, went for the most part quite peaceably into the cattle cars.

    And before someone calls me a hysterical xenophobe racist, here are some facts. Britain has a net immigration rate higher than Canada, a country that is thirty times as large. Britain’s fertility rate is well below the replacement rate despite the high fertility of the immigrating population, which means that the British are being replaced by people from elsewhere. Already the English are a minority in their own capital city, London, and will soon be a minority in England’s second city Birmingham. The English are a minority in the Cities of Leicester, Luton and Slough and in a growing number of major urban areas.

    Why has this happened?

    Because the British elite have hated the mass of working people for more than 100 years. As a character in Prime Minister Benjamin Disreali’s novel, Sybil, declared, there exists in Britain two nations:

    between whom there is no intercourse and no sympathy; who are as ignorant of each other’s habits, thoughts, and feelings, as if they were dwellers in different zones, or inhabitants of different planets. The rich and the poor.

    This divide was exemplified prior to World War II by open elite interest in eugenics. Lord Maynard Keynes, the world famous economist, was President of the Eugenics Society. Winston Churchill was a member. Francis Darwin, son of Charles, believed that lethal chambers to dispose of the most botched members of society would be useful, although he felt that there would be difficulties, politically, in selling the idea (this was before Hitler gave gas chambers a truly bad name). Playwright Bernard Shaw openly advocated killing unproductive members of society who are of no use to society and “probably of no use to themselves either.”

    The difficulty for these people was to find the right method. Contraception was supposed to do the trick, but it proved to have the reverse of the desired effect, the lower orders multiplying like rabbits while middle and upper class women availed themselves of contraception to avoid the burden of too many pregnancies.

    But since WWII, the solution has been discovered: K-12 sex”education,” which inculcates the idea that the only sexual vice is reproduction. This combined with mass replacement immigration is well on the way to genociding the British people both racially and culturally (and the other European nations). But with the referendum the old white working class have taken the opportunity so foolishly provided by David Cameron to undermine the process. This, however, will surely be seen merely as a setback by the elite, so I don’t think we are anywhere near to the end of this struggle, which may be about to become very nasty indeed.

    So no, the widespread public opposition to mass immigration to the UK is not hysterical and it is not xenophobic. It arises from the entirely rational desire for national self-preservation, both racial and cultural and it is the key underlying motivation for the Brexit rebellion.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  25. KA says:

    Commenting on big negatives of the British exit from EU Roger Cohen also tries to be advocate of the disenfranchised ,disillusioned and angry voters

    “This resentment has its roots in many things but may be summed up as a revolt against global capitalism. To heck with the experts and political correctness was the predominant mood in the end. A majority of Britons had no time for the politicians that brought the world a disastrous war in Iraq, the 2008 financial meltdown, European austerity, stagnant working-class wages, high immigration and tax havens for the super-rich.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/opinion/britains-brexit-leap-in-the-dark.html

    One will think Cohen will be cautious when he sees another possibility of war. Instead he has been channeling verbal ammunition to each war effort since Iraq war always offerring hopes for a better world just the way British was offered and hoodwinked into supporting Iraq war.

    He goes beyond the war and digs out the effects of immigration ,austerity,and stagnat wages. Again he judiciously ignores the regime changes currently unfolding ,causing rise in immigration and negative effects on economy ( war siphons resources from productive to nonproductive sectors) .A google search with key words Roger Cohen Syria will expose his positions on Syrian situation ,not unlike of Marie Slaughter,or Powers ,Kagan,Rice or Hillary .

    It is not that Roger is not aware or smart . He thinks the voters are not and will not notice the audacity and arrogance of supporting a solution that he already knew to be so wrong .
    Brtish didn’t say why they are exiting . His own insight into possible causes couldn’t be traced to any knowledge of what British was thinking . Britain and US have been telling since 2008 that war was wrong on so many counts. He could have respected those reasons and desisted himself from opining on NYT from advocating more wars .
    Cynic might say that by recognizing he is hoping to cover his own initials on the position paper .

  26. @Regnum Nostrum

    You are sooo correct!

    Unfortunately, the will of the masses is pretty much irrelevant and always has been. Also, I have no doubt that the usual suspects were right back soiling the temple with business as usual within seconds, if not sooner, of being driven out.

  27. helena says:
    @Epaminondas

    I spoke to a man today who said folks in Dublin want to Aixit.

  28. helena says:
    @Regnum Nostrum

    “Stocks are falling not because Brexit could have any substantial effect on world economy but to make the world angry at those who voted to leave. ”

    6 white men stood before the camera explaining that Britain has to get moving because of ‘the markets’; investors ‘don’t like uncertainty’.

    Not so much the hidden hand as the hidden spoilt brat.

    Digby-Jones: ‘the people have shown the EU that there is something that matters more than money – democracy’.

  29. @Stonehands

    The olde farting lesbian is next….chop her down like an old dead tree.

    That’s probably the greatest thing ever said about Angela Merkel, LOL.

  30. @Rehmat

    ” Hizbullah fighters are pre-occupied fighting ISIL militants led by Mossad agent Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi aka Elliott Shimon. ”

    These accusations you make allegedly come via Edward Snowden.

    Snowden’s lawyer- and Glen Greenwald- call it B.S.

  31. People will risk economic well-being for a sense of identity. I remember watching a PBS docu decades ago when an interviewer was suggesting to a Scottish worker that if Scotland became more like Japan, they would prosper. The worker vehemently shouted back: “I don’t want to become Japanese. I’m a Scot!”

    Identity (yes ethnicity/race/religion, etc.) is about the necessary and sometimes desperate striving for interior order. Out minds and souls crave it. Survival of coherent group demographics is the deep throbbing of the engine of societies and hence strategic politics.

    I am writing a non-fiction (20,000 words so far) with a chapter titled THE PRIMACY OF DEMOGRAPHIC SEGMENTATION. If one thinks about it from an evolutionary perspective, it becomes obvious that for the species to survive extreme challenge or disruption, segmentation in coherent demographic groups is necessary. No matter what, some groups will be able to make it through therefore forwarding the species as a whole. If all groups sublimated into a universal common genetic signature, the likelihood of ALL dying off together is dangerously enhanced.

    You don’t see Robins mating with Blue Jays, nor tolerating excessive interloping in each others’ feeding grounds. Every species is territorial and self aware, and the sub-species exhibit sometimes ferocious examples.

    It is the middle-classes that sustains and provides the fundament of civilizations. The Globalist elites, and their funded allies and proxy armies of socialists are the enemies of the middle classes, and their destruction is their goal. The elites frequently use the poor as blind foot-soldiers in their impositions of neo-feudalism. The greatest enemy of the globalists is the middle-classes, and that is why they are the bearers of the burdens of affirmative action, diversity policies, and third-world immigration.

    • Agree: Mark Green
    • Replies: @YT Wurlitzer
  32. @helena

    What exactly is your point?

  33. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    whose xenophobia is fueling widespread anti-immigrant hysteria.

    this guy would be telling the Amerindian Apache and Comanche that their objection to the white man flooding into their lands and taking over is nothing less than xenophobia!

    there are ‘no-go’ areas of England where white Brits are not allowed to go

    there are towns where the British school girls are turned out as sex slaves by the hundreds for the amusement of Pakistani middle aged men to buy and sell like so much chattel, and if anyone complains, guys like this will screech at them that they’re being ‘racist’ and ‘xenophobic’ for complaining that their daughters are being raped, since the rapists are clearly not of British descent.

    the world has gone insane

  34. Apologies that I haven’t had time to read this but allow me to repeat here what i have been conveying to as many as possible of the variously depressed, unimaginative and foolishly exultant as I can.

    Nothing has been decided. There is no legal consequence of Thursday’s vote.

    Instead, hardheaded bargainers are faced with Boris Johnson,or whoever becomes PM, having the whip hand over everyone. On the one hand he doesn’t even have to start the Article 50 two year exit program. On the other the economic problems from uncertainty are going to make it possible to go back to the electorate in a couple of years time and say “look, now we have reforms of the EU which mean we should stay in”. At least he should be able to get a model relationship for the UK that others will want to enulate.

  35. Art says:

    “Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it.”

    — Thomas Paine

    Hear Hear – it is our time to speak up for Trump – PERIOD.

    Speaking up for Trump is speaking up for ourselves – for our freedom.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  36. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"] says:

    Self harm founded on outright lies, the biggest ones already exposed.

    There is a huge case for an inner EU and an outer EEA (basically for Protestants) but whether Brexit will deliver is questionable. There were two migrant problems that drove Brexit. One, the Muslim problem which owes far more to NATO than the EU. The other, the Eastern Europeans, not just the migrants but the constant threat of relocating manufacturing jobs to Central Europe and witt no end to it as the UK presses for Turkish membership and Ukraine looms on the distant horizon. But the main curse is oil which is nothing to do with the EU. Inflated exchange rates decimate low productivity manufacturing in provincial locations. The same exchange rates boost services, especially financial services (overseas investment known in Russia as capital flight). This is nothing to do with the EU but is the biggest cause of the UK’s rot.

    The UK has left just as the oil price drops. The EU, an oil consumer, is starting a 20 year boom, the mirror image of the recent stagnation. A massive case of self harm.

    The generation that fought WW2 voted in 1975 2:1 for Europe but the Phobes never accepted the verdict. The Phobes have managed 1:1. When he was losing, Farage said a 48/52 poll would be unfinished business. Quite right. 0.5m Brits die every year. Even allowing for Abstainers and Remainers, in 4 years time the Leave majority will be dead. Perhaps even sooner as the young are at least as disproportionately Pro Europe. 2-4 years is inside the negotiation window. (Yeah the Gaullists say go now but the Germans want an orderly exit).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  37. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"] says:
    @Art

    And see my point below about the UK death rate. The Brexit majority will be cremated in less than 4 years. 2 years optimistically.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
  38. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"] says:
    @helena

    Currencies and Stocks don’t fall to political orders.

  39. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"] says:
    @El Dato

    The Euro has been a significantly harder currency than the Dollar or Pound over its life. It started at 1:1 to the USD lest you forget.

  40. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    OK it’s slightly off topic, but Chris Hedges new program is a snooze… put me to sleep quick.

    Chris Hedges is similar to Noam Chomski, in his dead pan dilivery! Zero charisma… and who the hell said he even knows what he talks of? Ok he went to seminary… so what?

    His program is booring, and good to put somebody to sleep.

    • Replies: @Mark Green
  41. denk says:
    @El Dato

    ‘Also, that “World Socialist Web Site” seems quite a bit confused. ‘

    wsws says china’s preparation to defend itself against murkka attack is ‘just as reactionary [sic] as washington’s provocation’,

    these are the exact words
    ‘The deployment of jet fighters against a US warship indicates that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime concluded it would escalate its own reactionary preparations for a military confrontation with the war machine of the US and its allies. It is seeking to defend the interests of the corrupt oligarchy that developed in China as Mao Zedong and his political heirs restored capitalist property relations from the 1970s. The actions of the CCP regime are diametrically opposed to the interests of the working class—above all the multi-million strong Chinese working class which, if war breaks out, would face the nightmarish prospect of US nuclear strikes.’

    roll over china so nobody gets hurt !
    hehehehe

  42. woodNfish says:

    Trump owes his popularity entirely to the mismanagement of the US economy

    Nonsense. That is only part of it. Unregulated immigration and the destruction of Americkan manufacturing and jobs are also a large part of it. Companies are now actually bringing in foreigners to replace amerikan workers who are being required to train their replacements or forfeit their severance benefits. That may be legal, but the people responsible should face life in prison for their crimes against working people. That includes the politicians and bureaucrats, lawyers and other scum who should be executed for treason.

  43. Don’t think for a second the remain crowd is going to simply give in without an absolutely brutal fight. Its going to get very ugly folks. Every blackmail-able member of Parliament is about to get a call from their Mossad masters to sabotage the referendum. The remain crowd will even sink the UK stock market and economy if that is required to void this referendum.

    This is because Brexit is not only a threat to banker control of the UK and the rest of the EU but also to to NATO itself because the EU is vital for NATO’s cohesion and funding. The EU is also an major enforcer of of the US led sanctions on both Russia and Iran. With Brexit all this starts to fall apart,

    Am I pessimistic: decidedly so.

    There is not one elected government in the (north) western world that has ever been able to successfully stand up to the Rothschild bankers (other than tiny Iceland). Don’t expect this to change unless another Charles de Gaulle suddenly appears (which is highly unlikely).

    If you think I am exaggerating, think back a few decades to the election of nationalist Jorg Hiader to head Austria. The EU, along with the Jewish Lobby, simply demanded that his election be voided. After intense pressure the brave politicians in Austria simply caved and consigned Haider to the blacklist (Jorg Hiader was to later get his (final ) reward for his presumption in the form of a very mysterious car accident.)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  44. @silly billy

    I think your resononing and reasons are barmy but I see the UK staying in the EU as a result of a combination of circumstances including some sophisticated deal over immigration which allows the notionally Leave government of Boris Johnson or Gove or May to say evrrythong has changed and we now have the deal we always ought to have had.

    • Replies: @Art
  45. @Philip Owen

    I agree with what I think your conclusion is: see #35 and #46. But your facts seem a bit awry.

    It is surely ancient history that the UK once inclined to support Turkish EU membership, and irrelevant to Brexit. (Even if the Schengen arrangements were extended to Turkey that wouldn’t affect the UK).

    And what does provincial location have to do with low productivity manufacturing?

    I’m interested in your connecting low oil prices (which BTW may keep Scotland in the UK) to a prospective 20 year EU boom. As an investor in a Polish coal mine that is being reopened I am far from being a disinterested or uninterested bystander. Tell us how you do the figuring on that boost to the EU economies? Which countries is just one element – noting that France is long on nuclear power. I presume you are saying that cheap skilled labour in Eastern Europe will be joined with whatever cheap oil is good for to create manufacturing businesses which will export to … where??? A bit more precise figuring please before I go long Euros.

  46. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    Re: The end of Virtuous Albion

    Thanks for the link. Dalrymple at his best.

    The “Fuck Brexit” rally in London, organized by losers in the referendum, epitomizes the repugnant intemperance, intolerance, and incivility that Dalrymple finds characteristic of so many modern Brits.

  47. fnn says:

    Whitney’s an anomaly, 99% of lefties back the bankers (though they not be aware of that):

  48. Ivy [AKA "Enquiring Mind"] says:

    Journalism worsened when it became a slave to The Business Model. That neoliberal Model stressed the need for ad revenues, with greater urgency as subscription revenue vanished (why buy the cow when the Internet sends you the milk content for free), and was combined with personnel cost reductions to provide a return on investment. There are still some practicing conventional journalism, but they are a dying breed.

    Integrity and ethics suffered and barely-disguised advocacy masqueraded as news. The current trend among business publications is for advertiser-provided content. There is no longer any pretense of objectivity, although readers may be lulled into complacency if not aware of the ruse.

  49. Cyrano says:

    Maybe “Brexit” signals disillusionment with government policies that justify invasion of 3rd world countries and as atonement bringing significant numbers of refugees from the same war torn countries. Multiculturalism is a capitalist version of communism. Where communism called for equality among nations – provided they stay where they are – capitalists did one better, they created multiculturalism, which is a form of internal racial communism.

    Capitalists could never agree to financial equality that communism was calling for, but racial equality – sure, why not, – as long as the primary carriers of that policy are the ordinary working class citizens. And if they object to that policy – they get labeled as the “bad” guys. How can you be against something so noble as racial communism?

    Government always thinks that they are better than the people they govern – that’s why they climbed those stairs to power – because they think that they are morally and intellectually superior to the governed masses. They set policies that are never intended to affect them in any direct way, but the full impact of those policies are supposed to fall on the back of the inferior plebes.

    “Brexit” showed that given the opportunity ordinary people can make better decisions than politicians, even if those decisions create some inconveniences for the ruling class as to how to implement them.

  50. Mark Green says: • Website
    @edNels

    Unfortunately, like most TV journalists, Hedges can only approach certain ‘controversial’ topics using acceptable critics. (This is America, after all.) What we get then is Hedges talking to left wing Jews who whine about Bibi Nutanyahoo or how to deal with Hamas or how to re-launch the endless ‘peace process’. Yes, it is boring. And empty. Maybe that’s the plan.

    As always, rough (and well-deserved) criticism of Israel is reserved for Zionist Jews. This keeps the entire discussion soft and safe. Meanwhile, we non-Jews are expected to cheer from the sidelines. This is Israeli theater. It’s designed to solidify the status quo. We have become second-class citizens in our own country.

    But when ‘push comes to shove’, the Tribe invariably goes into self-protection mode. This is why there will never be justice in Palestine or genuine political freedom in America. Jews are having too much fun running the world and living off special privileges. Some call this new Orwellian universe ‘political correctness’. But the fact is, Jews have erected unique taboos for their own benefit. They win. We lose.

    Political speech has been circumscribed for Jewish protection. It’s time for us to take back our country and our culture.

  51. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    but I see the UK staying in the EU as a result of a combination of circumstances including some sophisticated deal over immigration which allows the notionally Leave government of Boris Johnson or Gove or May to say everything has changed and we now have the deal we always ought to have had.

    I am sure you Jews want the coercive nation state to continue – you like the guns of state on your side – you like to manipulate the justice systems to protect you – you like the strong central bank that you can maneuver and manipulate – but it is not in the interest of the average human being.

    It is clear that the nation state can be manipulated by a minority. It is clear that these 21st century wars are totally unnecessary – that they are an instrument of big money and big power – that the individual citizen is always the loser.

    The big money Jew banker system that controls our democratic governments is going to die. Good reddens. We are going to take back our countries from the Jew power structures and return them to local folks.

    The democratic regional city state is going to reappear as the central governing mechanism.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @helena
  52. @Philip Owen

    Statistically, people over the age of 45 voted leave. So your claim that the majority will be cremated in less than four years is bunk.

    Many of those who voted “leave” were the same people who, in their youth, voted to remain in the European Community/Common Market in 1975. Experience caused them to change their minds. Fancy that.

    As for the “young” voters, the day I take the judgment of the Facebook generation, who can’t even be bothered to move out of their parents’ houses, seriously is the day hell freezes over.

    Further, a disproportionate number of these “young” voters are ethnic minorities whose loyalty to the UK is frankly questionable (ethnic minorities voted to remain in large numbers in comparison to indigenous Britons). All the more reason to sharply reduce immigration.

    The EU is about to enter a massive economic boom because of falling oil prices? Nope. Europe is a continent whose economies are in relative decline and whose indigenous populations are in absolute decline. The replacement population from the Middle East will be no improvement.

    The EU is dead man walking.

    No Brexiteer I know actually believes exiting the EU will magically solve all our problems, many of which we recognise, are self-inflicted.

    But getting out of the EU, along with the discrediting of the political and media elites responsible for many of these problems, is the first step. That process has now begun.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the UK joins the EEA. But to do so, we first of all had to Brexit. You couldn’t have one without the other.

    But that just about sums up the extent of your knowledge of the UK and the EU — embarrassingly little.

    Stick to snarking on Facebook, sunshine.

    And move out of your parents’ house.

  53. Art says:

    Brexit – not a done thing!

    All the fuss and bother about Brexit largely ignores its non-binding status – parliament, not voters deciding if Britain stays or leaves the EU, the latter extremely unlikely.

    Writing in the Financial Times, British lawyer David Allen Green explained Brexit voting is “advisory,” not “mandatory.” Parliament has final say.

    MPs can legally disregard the public’s will either way, they alone empowered to decide the path Britain chooses.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/brexit-referendum-is-non-binding-uk-parliament-not-voter-has-final-say/5532485

    This Brexit is NOT in the Jews self interest – the will of the people be damned – they have the big money that moves and controls politicians – who will bet against them?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  54. @Art

    Seriously Art….Are you or have you been prescribed medication for schizophrenia? I am not a psychiatrist but have acquired some knowledge of mental disorders and you display some of the symptoms of schizophrenia that I have come across. Reference to me as a Jew is just one small sign and the lack of logical connection between what I wrote and you respond with another.

    • Replies: @Art
  55. @Art

    Why use a secondary source of little weight when you could go straight to Green’s FT blog opinion.

    He is completely correct in saying the Brexit vote has no legal effect as I have been saying but what he says gives no basis at all for your mad obsession with Jews to be introduced.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @bunga
  56. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Seriously Art….Are you or have you been prescribed medication for schizophrenia?

    Say Wiz — you are reaching – me naming you as a Jew, does not qualify me as crazy.

    Anyone with half a brain would have reason to think that you are a Jew. Rational people do not spend the time and effort that you do, defending an identity that is foreign to them.

    Jew are famous for lying – so the situation is what it is. If you are truly not a Jew – then you must have some familial tie.

    Perhaps you can give us a rational reason why you know so much about Jews and their history, and why you use what you know, always to defend them? (Please do not insult us by saying that you don’t associate with Jew identity.)

    Calling me crazy, is not getting you off the hook of being a Jew.

    Art

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  57. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    He is completely correct in saying the Brexit vote has no legal effect as I have been saying but what he says gives no basis at all for your mad obsession with Jews to be introduced.

    The Jews control the Labor and Tory parties, they control the Brit banks and the media.

    Same-o same-o as America. We all know that the Jews are going to put up a rearguard roadblock to Brexit.

    Stop your Jew identity lies – Wiz.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @L.K
  58. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    I am reading Sodenizen’s ”First Circle”,, He makes a wonderfull sketch of uncle Joe, really good take on the guy… in the first part ofthe book..

    Most ofthe book is about life in the camps and jails… but the best thing is that sketch of Stalin.

    anyhoo

  59. @Art

    People who are sane, logical and informed don’t just go on shouting abuse about and to people. When it is an important part – in your case almost all – of their case to have people believe that Jews control the Tory and Labour (not Labor as you seem to think) parties in the UK and the banks and media they understand that you really need to set out the facts which demonstrate all that – which otherwise supports the view that you are mentally ill – and give respectable sources for your facts as well.

    You might care to note Rupert Murdoch’s almost dominant position in the UK media. Since his grandfathers were a Moderator of the Presbyterian Church and an Irish-Australian racing club steward it is a bit hard to see the Jewish connection. The Telegraph, Barclay brothers, Guardian, The Scott Trust….. and which Jews run the BBC?

    As for banks I wonder if you are aware that private shareholders of most of the major commercial banks were pretty well wiped out in the 2008-2009 post Lehman crisis.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Art
  60. @Art

    It seems to be part of your disease to be so obsessed that your attention to what i say is entirely focused on mention of Jews. Understandable in a sad way I suppose because any reply to what you and a few other obsessive anti-Semites on UR usually has to deal with some madness about Jews.

    What is your evidence for saying that Jews tell lies more than non-Jews? Do you actually know any Jews?

    • Replies: @Art
  61. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As for banks I wonder if you are aware that private shareholders of most of the major commercial banks were pretty well wiped out in the 2008-2009 post Lehman crisis.

    bullshit

    they were bailed out by the US tax-slave

    Goldman Sachs and Chase, (Lloyd and Jamie, et al Ⓤ) even tho they were behind most of the assorted frauds and swindles, had 100% of their casino loses guaranteed by the US Treasury, while middle and working class people actually did have their pensions and investments wiped out.

    sometimes wiz, your mendacity is so egregious that I simply can’t let it sit there without pointing it out 😉

    the 2008 crash was not entirely a Jewish affair, (what with scumfucks like Franklin Raines and Angelo Mozilo playing their parts too), but from its mastermind Robert Rubin down to its Igors like Lawrence Summers and Timmy Geithners (and of course the Bernanke), it had kosher written all over it.

  62. helena says:
    @Art

    “The democratic regional city state is going to reappear as the central governing mechanism.”

    Ojalá

    Meanwhile, GS is ”’predicting”’ recession for the UK

    • Replies: @Art
  63. @Rurik

    Your back with the maddies who live in the famtasies of their own heads I see. When you butt in on an argument try finding out what it is sbout first. It was entirely about British banks.

  64. helena says:
    @Rurik

    BoE Carney promised 250bn for banks and corporates to ease the uncertainty caused by Brexit. Share prices go down – but companies know there is a hand out?

    What am I missing about these markets – no goods are changing hands but the whole world is at the mercy of the markets’ ‘inability to cope with uncertainty’ – even though, even as i write, many are making money precisely on the uncertainty; betting on rises and falls with ne’er a concern for what rises or falls. ?

    • Agree: Rurik
  65. @Rick Johnson

    “You don’t see Robins mating with Blue Jays…” Reminds me of watching a robin flock that has been being taken over by parasitic cowbirds. Sad to see their efforts stolen and to see them with their ersatz offspring. So instructive to our own situation. I hesitate to bring it up since cowbirds are big, brown obnoxious birds. Maybe I should have them self identify as blue or white.

  66. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Art: Perhaps you can give us a rational reason why you know so much about Jews and their history, and why you use what you know, always to defend them?

    Wiz: It seems to be part of your disease to be so obsessed that your attention to what i say is entirely focused on mention of Jews. Understandable in a sad way I suppose because any reply to what you and a few other obsessive anti-Semites on UR usually has to deal with some madness about Jews.

    Sorry Wiz – but you have done nothing to dispel the notion that you are a Jew – your response is totally inadequate.

    Your responses are so typical of the Jews. Calling us crazy as a retort to some undeniable truth about you’ll, is standard Hasbara 101 Rule #5. “WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS – CALL THEM CRAZY”

    Me still thinks you are a Jew – you have to do better than call us crazy – that only reinforces our thinking.

    Art

  67. Art says:
    @helena

    “The democratic regional city state is going to reappear as the central governing mechanism.”

    Ojalá

    Nice word – thanks!

    Ojalá is one of the most beautiful words in any language. It is Spanish, and pronounced Oh-ha-LAH. It expresses a strong desire for something to come to pass.

    http://interreligiousinsight.org/July2005/July05Ojala.html

  68. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You might care to note Rupert Murdoch’s almost dominant position in the UK media.

    It is true that Rupert Murdoch is the only major non-Jew in the big time Western media business. And it is true that he backs Israel and Jews 100%.

    It is not a stretch to think that his support of Jews is the only reason that he is allowed to own the major media businesses that he does.

    FOX JEWS is a cultural crime wave, pumping the fear of terrorism and advocating for wars against Israeli opponents 24/7/365.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Wizard of Oz
  69. .
    Hold the 50. Begin the unilateral.

    Germany’s Schauble has issued threats against the UK. It is impossible to give power to the Germans until both Merkel and Schauble are out of office. As a “50” notice gives them power, it cannot happen until after the 2017 German elections.

    To promote meaningful negotiations without filing the “50” notice formally, the UK should begin implementing immigration related changes immediately and unilaterally. Most notably an Australia style “points based” system that gives preference to college educated, English speaking, Christians. Effectively bringing to zero the rate for, low education, non-English speaking, non-Christians has huge and immediate benefits to UK Citizens.
    .

  70. L.K says:
    @Art

    Hey Art,

    You are 100% correct. Rupert Murdoch is a full Zionist even if not Jewish.

    However, it has been reported that Rupert Murdoch may, in fact, be Jewish through his maternal side.

    Wrote investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn:

    Murdoch “became an American citizen for business reasons,” according to Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Keith Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. “Rupert’s father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew,” Curtiss wrote, “although Murdoch never offers that information in his biographies.”

    Murdoch’s father married Elisabeth Joy Greene, daughter of Rupert Greene in 1928. They had one son, Keith Rupert and three daughters. Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.

    The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.

    “Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”

    While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.

    Netanyahu, who wrote a book entitled The War on Terror: How the West Can Win in 1986, is a frequent commentator on Murdoch’s Fox News.

    Murdoch’s support for Zionism extremists is well known and a matter of record. As New York Governor George Pataki said, “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the [Murdoch’s] New York Post.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Art
  71. L.K says:
    @Art

    Hey Art,

    Israeli dissident Gilad Atzmon has just posted:

    Haaretz Confirms: Britain Has Been Operating As An Israeli Puppet Within The EU

    “With Brexit, Israel Loses a Major Asset in the European Union,” Haaretz reports today.

    Gilad then writes:
    “But why was Britain an Israeli asset? How was Britain reduced to act as an Israeli colony? Simple. British foreign affairs are dominated by the Jewish Lobby.”

    Read it all @
    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/6/26/haaretz-confirms-britain-has-been-operating-as-an-israeli-puppet-within-the-eu

    • Replies: @bunga
  72. @L.K

    I have known the Murdoch family all my life including his mother and three sisters. For those not interested in silly games I can give 100 per cent assurance that Elisabeth Murdoch was not Jewish and Rupert was not brought up with even a tincture of Jewish education beyond the knowledge of the Old Testament at an Anglican school where he had to go to chapel every weekday morning and at least twice on Sundays. BTW I understand that most Australian Jews had ceased to be Orthodox by the time Rupert was born thought Orthodoxy came back with late 30s and 40s refugees.

  73. @Art

    Stop laughing Art. I think I can out you at last. You couldn’t resist that simple quick jibe about Rupert Murdoch while ignoring 99 per cent of the thrust of my comments and questions concerning what serious support for your apparent case required.

    So I think you are a youngish Jew who is trolling to expose anti-Semites as stupid and obtuse. Imagination suggests you are a military veteran in a wheelchair with a disability pension still doing your bit for the cause. You could even be an American who served in the IDF. Even the name Art is very compatible with Jewish identity.

    I can’t be bothered to go over your past posts to give further weight to my guess but suggest you cease taking up your and my time by replying to my posts. (I did have you on the skip list but for some reason that stopped working).

    Anyway thanks for the fun. But don’t over egg the pudding.

    BTW Rehmat is a much more complicated case. Having his own website suggests that he is not a Jewish troll (though good luck to him if he can get away with that much chutzpah) but his team is nutty and immature enough to make him a pretty good ally of anti-anti-semites.

    Note to Sam Shama and others who are not playing games and are Jewish. What do you think of my guess at the Art reality?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  74. Art says:
    @L.K

    “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”

    L.K — thanks for this.

    How typical – another dishonest Jew – working every angle for gain – truth be damned.

    Murdoch is a typical Jew bottom feeder.

    FOX TV has led our culture ever lower.

    FOX JEWS is a crime organization. Day in and day out it pushes hate and fear.

    Art

  75. bunga says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Brexit vote has no legal effect”

    So what? Did the people vote thinking that their votes were illegal or nonbinding ? How many times people go to vote knowing that the votes may not be binding?. It is assumed in democracy that the majority voices when cast in a ballot contest held nationwide will be respected . So the attempt to disregard the ballot is nothing but attempt to end run something that couldn’t be achieved with open and honest information by certain vested interest

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  76. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    So I think you are a youngish Jew who is trolling to expose anti-Semites as stupid and obtuse.

    Sorry Wiz – with me, you get what you see – I am not a Jew of any stripe – I am not a Nazi of any stripe – I am not a fascist or socialist of any stripe.

    You do not have to be Charles Darwin to see that Jew tribalism is a bloody detriment to mankind.

    I am a peace seeking Christian willing to forgive the past. When justice is done and you tribal Jews are ready for peace – you will find it with me – I wish harm to no one.

    Art

    p.s. You call me crazy – when clearly, it is you with the crazy talk.

  77. bunga says:
    @L.K

    With Brexit, Israel Loses a Major Asset in the European Union

    Britain helped moderate and balance EU decisions about the peace process, blunt criticism and even harness the member states against anti-Israel moves at the UN; voices sympathetic to the Palestinian cause could now become more dominant.

    Israel has lost a significant asset in the European Union, according to a senior official familiar with Foreign Ministry

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.727102?utm_content=%24sections%2F1.727102&utm_medium=email&utm_source=smartfocus&utm_campaign=newsletter-daily&utm_term=20160626-08%3A06

    UK Prime Minister Cameron: ‘Brexit’ would be bad for Israel
    British PM tells Jewish voters his gov’t won’t be able to push back against anti-Israel sentiment in the EU if it votes to leave this week.–http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/213932#.V3LIqWfzM4I

    Cameron can now conduct the same peace process with unflinching devotion to money like Blair did .

    I thought Haretz would al least have the decency to write how the peace process have been undermined by Israel from the beginning and how UK has been subsidizing that behaviors by DE-legitimatizing Palestinian leaders and citizen , by supporting attacks on friends of Palestinian ,by mounting attacks on Libya Syria and Iran and by allowing Israel conduct its illegal business both in EU and in WB/Gaza

  78. @bunga

    And I say “So what?” to your description of what you think ought to be the regular way of the world. Really, what you say about expectations of a majority vote may be true but how much weight does that carry in practice?

    It is already being argued by distinguished lawyers that people are entitled to the expectation that the UK parliament will behave in relation to the issue as the sovereign body that it still is, that the fact that two out of the four UK nations voted to Remain should be honored in some appropriate way and that the deal with the rest of the EU which everyone had to know was to follow would be submitted to the people in some way. BTW what expectation were people entitled to about the timing of the two year notice? Surely it would be that the UK’s interests would be protected as well as possible in the making of that decision. That being so, what should the expectation be if several years of patriotic manoeuvring goes by and circumstances have radically changed, both e.g. the state of the econony and the opininion polls on whether Brexit should be proceeded with?

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  79. Well Art if you are a Christian – which I was until about 16 when still winning prizes for Religious Knowledge, if not being able then to relate the full stories of Job or Lot and his daughters – perhaps you can answer a question that I have put to clergy of several denominations right up to an Eminence – a Prince of the Church?

    If the Creator God who is omnipotent and sometimes communicates with mankind actually cares what happens to humans and what we do why did he allow such different messages to be delivered to Hebrews, Christians of many varieties, Zoroastrians and Muslims? And why has he allowed billions of Hindus and Buddhists to miss out on his wishes?

    Does it not follow that such a being cannot possibly exist? If there is a Creator God does it not make more sense of what we now know that he just started creating universes for his entertainment or to relieve boredom?

    And how do you go about establishing a moral order when it is no longer possible to believe in an afterlife but you are stuck with a religion which, as Sir Thomas More made clear in “Utopia”, requires one?

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  80. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Denmark is part of EU but Greenland is not Greenland is part of Denmark . Scotland can remain part of EU and of UK . All sorts of seemingly anomalous situation could exist .
    This referendum was not held in the dark . All kinds of innuendo,sloganeering and promises been made to both sides by respective protagonists . It was never been in doubt that the vote is about gaining back the sovereignty, about Brussels about rules made by unelected bureaucrats against the current situation .Even Obama offered them a friendly reminder who to vote for.
    UK can renege That will be no surprise
    But a status ante quo will not deliver UK from further future blight, next time UK will not be in a position to use any additional bargaining maneuvering and chips which UK has been doing ,extorting more and more exceptions . That is gone for ever So next time Britan will possibly vote with their feet and mouths to get out once the freebies are taken off the table provided they dont get out now . The genie is out . Other countries will demand same as has been offered to UK and will ask for more if UK keeps on asking for more favors to silence the “leave” wing of party and society .The mess will continue .

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  81. @KA

    Yes it’s certainly messy.

  82. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    A serious question gets a serious answer.

    God gave us brains or rather God’s universe evolved us to have brains. Before we acquired brains, we had biological gonads (actually mammalian brain stems) that directed our actions. We each have to make decisions about how to go about living longer. Some people us their brains more then they use their gonads. Those that use their brains to make decisions about how to get to tomorrow, use a set of learned intellectual viewpoints to direct their actions. Those viewpoints are learned from personal experiences and from their culture. Put altogether, these views are called a philosophy for living. Some philosophies work better at building tomorrows then others.

    As we humans have progressed, small tribes have evolved in great nations and great religions. All religions have two intellectual components to them. One component prescribes how we should connect and interact with god. The other component prescribes how should connect and interact with each other. Different religions have different prescriptions for living together.

    No human has ever truly known god. All we have are ever progressing viewpoints. Jesus gave us God 2.0. He undated the previous viewpoint of god. His God 2.0 was merciful, loving, forgiving, and hopeful. God 1.0 was harsh and vengeful. Jesus’ viewpoints on human relations are idealistic. He prescribed hope, respect for life, love for one’s neighbor, seeking truth, forgiving, and extending grace to all. This view of god has born fruit.

    Darwin gave us God. 3.0 – a god that created the universe or rather set it in motion. There is intellectual reason to think that there is some validity to this creator god. Humanity has always thought that we and the universe are connected – and this is so. Humanity has always thought that each of us is unique – and this is so. Humanity always thought that everything has a beginning – why shouldn’t this also be so? A God the creator is logical. Of course this is not proof – just a very good guess backed by the combined wisdom of humanity.

    Will there be a God 4.0 – most probably yes.

  83. @Rurik

    The shareholders- most of them retail level peasants, or their “money managers” were wiped out, the Big money bond holders were made good.

  84. Art says:

    The shareholders- most of them retail level peasants, or their “money managers” were wiped out, the Big money bond holders were made good.

    Bill Jones — Please – do you have an article on this?? – Thanks Art

  85. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hi Wiz,
    I had not read this article until just now [a bit involved in buying U.K. assets, full disclosure 🙂 ] , when I spotted your note to me and others. ‘Uncluttered’ is the word which happily describes my recent experience at UR after gaoling this barmpot ‘Art’ in that useful little button due NE. I reckon he is simply a creation of another poster on these pages, to selectively annoy others who offer nuanced views on subjects, ones which run inimical to the raw anti-semitic tosh of their choice. He might of course be, as you sense, jewish himself, and laying on the NT Christian piety a bit too thick; or the thread-like structures in the nucleus might be flawed….who knows.

  86. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    [bullshit

    they were bailed out by the US tax-slave]

    Sorry. You’ve been lbw’d. Most shareholders were thoroughly rinsed, the preferred shares bought by the Treasury Fed complex made a great deal of money and as result of which the ‘taxpayer = Treasury’ got back all the capital and more.

    [in the case of Bear Stearns, shareholders got $10/shr when the stock was trading $150+ prior; in the case of Lehman, shareholders got a nought; in the cases of the GSIs the shareholders scored love as well; in the cases of GS, Merill, BAC, etc all were injected with senior preferreds by the Treasury the full value plus coupons were returned to the taxpayer/Treasury. I’ve pointed all this out to you in the past but clearly you’ve not bothered to remember or independently done your homework]

    Now, should the topic be re-constituted bank regulations and regulatory capital I am all ears to listen to informed views.

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