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There are about 140,000 Vietnamese in Germany. In Berlin, there’s a large shopping center, Dong Xuan, and a Halong Hotel. In Munich, there’s a hip restaurant, Jack Glockenbach, in a gay neighborhood. In Hanover, there’s a temple with a pagoda and ornate gate. In Dresden, there’s a Buddhist cemetery that refrains from displaying the swastika. In Leipzig, where I’m living, just about every East Asian restaurant is run by Vietnamese, although it may be named Peking Palast, Hong Kong, Shanghai or China White.

Vietnamese aren’t just in cities. Last week, I took a train to Wurzen, population 16,327. Near Jacobsplatz, one of its two main squares, I counted four Vietnamese businesses: three discount clothing stores and a nail salon. Though the last wasn’t open, I could tell it was Vietnamese-owned thanks to a little Buddha in its window. On Karl Marx Street, there’s a huge restaurant, Goldene Krone. As I stood outside perusing the menu, a large group of middle-aged German ladies filed out, all smiling after their happy meals. “Kính chào!“ one chirped. Once in Leipzig, a black bicyclist also greeted me in this formal manner.

Germany is already a very mixed society. In my graduate seminar class at the University of Leipzig, half of the students were born in Russia, Ukraine, CzechRepublic, Brazil or Qatar. One is Turkish and can speak and write the language. At a Wurzen flea market, most of the merchants were foreign. I saw Middle Easterners, Eastern Europeans, a turbaned Sikh and other South Asians. They were selling handbags, clothing, household goods and Christmas ornaments. A plastic Santa Claus bounced one basketball while twirling another.

A German woman seemed embarrassed since no one was buying her roast chicken. You should go home, lady! You don’t belong here! Oh wait, the lady’s family have probably been toiling within a ten-mile radius since the Stone Age, or since a tiktaalik first thought it over long and hard before deciding, “Screw it! I’m emigrating onto dry land!” He did at that exact spot right there by the MuldeRiver, next to the döner takeout. Her family have probably gone to the same church, St. Marien, since 1114 A.D. Nine hundred years ain’t nothing. Fingering my Euros, I contemplated buying half a chicken to make this stoic and forlorn native daughter feel slightly better, but decided against it. I still had miles to walk that day.

Suddenly I spotted a familiar, German face. In Leipzig, I had bought sausages, liverwurst and minced rabbit from Jürgen, and there he was, in his truck. The first two times he talked to me, Jürgen even tried to speak Vietnamese, and he knew quite a few phrases too. None was intelligible, however. Selling quality stuff, Jürgen has a loyal clientele.

In West Germany, Turkish laborers were brought in. In the East, 60,000 Vietnamese were signed up on five-year contracts to work in factories. In Leipzig, I met such a Vietnamese. Now middle-aged, Quan owns a small restaurant and beer store.

“When the Berlin Wall fell, we lost both our job and our housing. The German government offered our people nearly three years’ worth of wages to go home. With that kind of money, you could be set up for life if you bought land or started a business, but many of us decided to stay. We had never experienced Capitalism. We wanted to see what it was like.”

Like many other Vietnamese, Quan turned to selling cigarettes. “We didn’t even know it was illegal. You have to understand, everything was chaotic back then. Even the Germans didn’t know what was going on. One day, you’re living under Communism. The next day, it’s Capitalism. There were Czechs selling cigarettes outside the train station, so we bought from them to resell. All of that gang stuff came later. Hearing about the easy money, many Vietnamese who had gone home then tried to return to Germany. It wasn’t easy. They had to go to Russia first, then cross several borders. Sometimes, people had to walk backward in the snow to throw off the cops.”

An enterprising peddler of black market cigarettes could make up to $300 a day. In mid-1994, 23-year-old Le Duy Bao showed up in Berlin, having arrived by way of Prague and Moscow. A career criminal, he made his living stealing motorbikes in his native Vinh, in central Vietnam. In Germany, Bao soon formed a gang called Ngoc Thien, Benevolent Pearl, and within a year they managed to control 70% of the cigarette black market in Berlin. Bao’s crew raked in USD 500,000 a month. Convicted of ordering eight murders in 1996, Bao is now serving a life sentence in Tegel Prison. During the turf war among Vietnamese cigarette gangs in Berlin, more than 40 Vietnamese were murdered.

Though Vietnamese cigarette gangs in Germany no longer generate such frightful headlines, they’re still active. All over Europe, you can buy Jin Ling, an industrial chemical and asbestos-laced cigarette that burns so ardently, even when not puffed, it has caused several house fires. A pack of 19 costs but 3 Euros, however, half of the legal stuff. Though with a Chinese name, it’s actually made in Kaliningrad, that Russian city on the Baltic Sea. Multinational in scope, this lucrative trade involves criminal gangs from more than a dozen countries. In this racket, Vietnamese are but foot soldiers.

More positively, the Vietnamese community in Germany can boast of Philipp Rösler. A war orphan from Nha Trang, Rösler was adopted by a German family and became the country’s Minister of Health in 2009, then Minister of Economics and Technology in 2011. Rösler’s ascendance caused Vietnamese worldwide to reflect that had he stayed in Vietnam, Rösler’s abilities would have been wasted. Not only that, he would have been arrested because of his politics. “Totalitarianism thwarts everything,” a commentator bitterly pointed out.

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There is also gymnast Marcel Nguyen. Born of a Vietnamese father and German mother, Nguyen won two silver medals for Germany at the London Olympics. When his dad was asked if Nguyen’s “Vietnamese blood” contributed to his success, the old man answered rather amusingly that it made him smaller than your typical German.

In the end, it’s not the extremes that define any community, but your average schmuck, and the Vietnamese in Germany have mostly settled in as law abiding shopkeepers and restaurant owners. Their kids have assimilated well and are outperforming even German classmates. On my way home from work, I’d sometimes stop by a very modest takeout run by Tron, a lady from Hai Hung, about an hour from Hanoi. In Germany for a decade, she speaks the language well enough to banter with her customers. Her food is very good and cheap, and I’ve seen every type buy from her: school kids, college students, skateboard punks, old pensioners…

Once a guy showed up with only 60 cents, but wanted a 1 Euro bag of shrimp chips. Tron sold it anyway. “Sometimes, they just stick their hand in and grab it,” she laughed, “but it doesn’t happen very often. At least they don’t snatch things from your body like they do in Vietnam!” In spite of its wealthy image, Germany has plenty of poor citizens. Every now and then, I’d see an elderly person dig through a trash can for recyclable bottles.

An old woman ordered chicken lo mein, but couldn’t come up with the cash, so she offered to leave two bottles of wine as collateral. Tron said not to worry, just pay her the next time. “She’s a regular customer. She probably misplaced her purse.”

With Vietnamese-run eateries so numerous in Leipzig, the competition among them is fierce. To gain an edge, several sell sushi or even döner kebab. I walked by a takeout that advertised Vietnamese, Thai, Chinese, Turkish and German specialties. Its Deutsch menu consisted of just knockwurst, bratwurst—both served with French fries or pita bread [!]—pork schnitzel and chicken nuggets.

Tron’s business is just a steel box plopped on a small lot in front of an unpopular supermarket. Down the street is St. Peter. Built in 1882, it’s brand new by European standards. A few blocks away, a 13th century church, Pauline, was blown up by the Communists in 1968 just for the hell of it. Mendelssohn and Bach performed there, and it was also the site for Mendelssohn’s funeral mass. Who cares, sneered the comrades. Citizens who protested the destruction were arrested. The Communists also considered dynamiting the massive, 299-foot-tall Monument to the Battle of Nations because it was a symbol of nationalism instead of internationalism. Since German and Russian troops had fought side by side to defeat Napoleon, however, they let it stand.

Tron's Place in Leipzig

Tron’s Place in Leipzig

In its classical form, Communism is a control freak religion that punishes every unorthodox thought or act. It is sickeningly ironic that many of the most unruly people in Capitalist societies are drawn to unforgiving Communism, for if it was in effect, they would be among the first to be locked up or executed.

Tron and her husband have two little kids in elementary school.

“Do they get teased?” I asked. “Is there any discrimination against them?”

“None!”

“They never go home and complain about anything?”

“Never! There are only five Vietnamese kids in the entire school. They don’t even play with each other. They play with the German kids. There is never a problem.”

When they’re ten or so, Tron will have them learn Vietnamese also, but she won’t press if they resist. “My kids have been back to Vietnam once, but they didn’t like it very much. They’re German now. At home, they speak to us in German and Vietnamese. If you don’t have close relatives back in Vietnam, as in your parents or siblings, I don’t even see a reason to go back.”

Vietnamese who came to Germany as boat people are rightly considered refugees, but those who arrived from the North, from the winning side in the Vietnam War, are also refugees if they’re escaping Communism. Some, though, are only economic immigrants. In Leipzig, there’s a Vietnamese restaurant called Onkel Ho and, each year, there’s a well-attended gathering to celebrate the founding of the People’s Army of Vietnam. Though rejecting their Communist homeland to live in the Capitalist West, they still cling to the red flag, for many have fought and bled under it. With an opposing political nod, others have named their businesses after places in the South: Mekong, Ben Thanh or Saigon, etc.

Onkel Ho Vietnamese Restaurant in Leipzig

Onkel Ho Vietnamese Restaurant in Leipzig

Most immigrants and all refugees are forced to leave everything they’ve known because they can no longer tolerate their native land. If the world is swarming with refugees and desperate immigrants, it just means that life has become impossible for so many, in so many places. Count yourself lucky if you’re not among them, but don’t dismiss the distinct possibility.

In 1914, there were 2,416,290 Germans in the Russian Empire. Now, there are only a million in Russia and all of the republics of the former Soviet Union. In 1939, there were 786,000 Germans in Romania. By 2011, there were only 36,884. Though assimilating, establishing deep roots and contributing much to one’s host society, one can be chased out in a bloody flash. One can also be bombed from one’s ancestral homeland. Count yourself lucky if you’re not among them.

Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.

 
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  1. Tom_R says:

    3RD WORLD IMMIGRATION—THE BIGGEST RACKET ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT.

    Thanks for the interesting article, Sir. Lots of useful information.

    Except when you said: “Most immigrants and all refugees are forced to leave everything they’ve known because they can no longer tolerate their native land. If the world is swarming with refugees and desperate immigrants, it just means that life has become impossible for so many, in so many places.”

    I do not think that is true at all. There are many millionaires among 3rd world immigrants, students, corporate thugs, ex-dictators, terrorists, rapists and murderers fleeing justice etc. And most of the “refugees” are fake—they scratch themselves, take fake photos, get fake documents and and apply for fake asylum.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ranisingh/2015/08/02/report-finds-millionaires-migrating-to-uk-usa-singapore-and-australia/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-millionaires-are-immigrating-to-the-us-in-huge-numbers-2012-2

    Most people from the 3rd world come to USA and and Europe for one reason only—they are let in. They are going into USA and Europe for one main reason—the latter governments give out visas like candy, because they want to destroy their own country and impose “multiculturalism” by force upon their populace to exterminate the white majority and turn USA and EU into the world’s biggest toilet bowls on the order of their Jewish masters (who bribe and blackmail the politicians) and who are behind the alien invasion.

    There are 100’s of websites proving Jewish involvement in this racket, such as Barbara Lerner Spectre, Annette Kahne, and this:

    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/173720/jewish-groups-push-for-immigration-reform-on-passo/

    The Rabbis of this criminal cult are so depraved and evil, almost a 1000 of them demanded more 3rd world aliens into white countries (in effect, to exterminate white).

    http://www.hias.org/sites/default/files/hias_1000_rabbis_support_refugees.pdf

    This is the biggest crime against humanity by the Judaists.

  2. “More positively, the Vietnamese community in Germany can boast of Philipp Rösler”

    Rösler grew up as a German from a very early age, as far as I know he doesn’t know Vietnamese or has ever tried to learn about his family roots in Vietnam. I don’t think he can be regarded as part of the “Vietnamese community” (which, as is noted in the article, doesn’t seem to be homogenous anyway, with the division between boat people and “guest workers” who came to the GDR).

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  3. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @German_reader

    In 2014, Rösler gave a speech in Hamburg at the dedication of a plaque to thank the Cap Anamur. This German ship rescued 10,375 Vietnamese boat people on the open sea. The Communist Vietnamese government strongly objected to this plaque, as well as Rösler’s speech at the ceremony, but he did it anyway. Though Rösler is thoroughly German, like you say, he’s also embraced the Vietnamese community in Germany.

    • Replies: @Steve
  4. szopen says:

    Lot of Vietnamese in Poland. Mostly are completely invisible and do not cause any troubles.

    Incidentally, I cam from a small city near German border. A lof of my friends from school as a teenagers worked as smugglers. They would sell cigarettes to Turks, not Vietnamese, though. They tried to recruit me too, saying that’s easy money and I’d be stupid to stay in school and learn when you can earn in one trip more than their parents toling for whole month in a factory…

    • Replies: @iffen
  5. Biff says:

    Mentioning the communist take over in Vietnam is interesting. I was just in Hanoi a couple of weeks ago, and the place sure seemed quite capitalistic to me. Lots of shopping options for the hordes of tourists(mostly Chinese, but still many Europians and Yankees). I’m assuming just as all of Asia, that change is always inevitable.
    I’ve been coming to Bangkok for the past twenty five years, and the change hear has been stunningly fast. Bangkok used to be cheap and easy(like Hanoi is now), but currently it is quite expensive with the cost of living sky rocketing. This year the complaints from the bar owners are(I’m a beer drinking Yankee) that there is a down turn in Caucasian beer drinkers, and an uptick in Chinese tourists that don’t drink. I told them not to worry so much – the Russians are coming.

  6. bbtp says:

    Mr. Dinh,

    Thank you for another interestingly observed piece. I am always keen to read your work.

    One minor note, if I may. The German minority in Romania left voluntarily and, indeed, eagerly, because West Germany was willing to take them in. Ceausescu would give some of them visas every so often in exchange for bribes and subsidies.

    Those Germans that remain are well-liked and, indeed, Klaus Iohannis, long the beloved mayor of Sibiu, was elected President in 2014. Tellingly, however, the rest of his family emigrated in 1992 and they now reside in Bavaria.

    So, in short, it is absolutely true that a minority of very long standing may disappear in a flash. The Germans of Transylvania have lived there, in some cases, for 900 years, but now they are almost gone. But this can happen without being “chased out in a bloody flash,” and in this case, it has. Most Romanians would be happy to get the Germans back, but most of the Germans, and one can hardly blame them, don’t wish to live as a minority (even a well-liked one) in a corrupt, middle-income country when the alternative is to live among other Germans in Germany.

    Yours sincerely,
    bbtp

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  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And what is the purpose of this article? To establish a false equivalence between the refugees that fled war in Vietnam and the current migrant crisis? It has been well established that most of those “fleeing” the present crisis are not refugees. Not to mention the current geopolitical situation where a minority of committed militants with a supremacist ideology have declared war on the West and have members embedded themselves in Western societies. All cultures are not equal; some are more compatible than others.

    Eliciting guilt by reminding me how fortunate I am is irrelevant to policy-making. There are almost sixty million refugees worldwide. How many should the West take? There are desperately poor people numbering in the billions worldwide. How many should the West take? See https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    , @Libtard
  8. Rösler is a banana and politician. The FDP & CDU have tried to lock down the “integrated immigrant”-vote for the last two decades. The less succesful immigrants are being pandered by the SPD & Greens.

    The Boat People were mainly upper-middle-class in French Indochina/S-Vietnam. So naturally they integrated much better in Western countries. In many cases they didn’t come empty-handed (-> chi vang/gold-rings).

    The early wave was actually ethnic Chinese, who were part of trading-clans with ties in HK, SG and BKK.

    We should keep in mind that billions of US aid disappeared in South-Vietnam. Many Boat-People could have taken part in the Orderly Departure Program or UNHCR’s Family Reunion-program, but that would have meant that they would have to leave their gold/USD behind.

    In today’s VN crisp USD-bills of 1950s/1960s/early 1970s still pop up from time to time.

    The Boat People in Germany have tried to bring the American “victim”-ideology over to Germany as to catch up with the Jews, Armenians etc.

    Around 30% of the Vietnamese guest-workers , who were sent to the GDR, are from the Southern provinces. They name their shops/restaurants/takeouts after their origins or well-known Southern cities – not as a political statement.

    Some guest-worker-groups were actually demobilized PAVN-units’ soldiers & officers, who were sent as a whole group to the GDR & other Soviet Bloc-countries. Those groups were doing the harshest work, like construction or steel-foundry. Those men go way back when they were late teens/early twens.

    No matter if S-Vietnamese regime-followers, Boat People or ex-Guest-Workers quite alot are (now) best-buddy with Hanoi regime – due business ties or in most cases family-ties.

    Blood is thicker than ideology.

    Linh Dinh would be advised to so and investigate the family-angle and tone down his ideological diatribe.

    After all he is a Vietnamese. Does he have any relative who fought in the PAVN or VC? Any relative, who is currently in the Communist Party-hierarchy or administration and could arrange contacts in case of investment in VN?

    I & many other readers would love to read a frank/honest story about Linh Dinh’s family during the turmoil years and the subsequent emigration.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  9. My sister’s family hosted an exchange student from Germany a few years ago. Her parents were from Vietnam. I spoke to her on the phone, in both our languages, and told her there was a neighborhood in our city (called “Frogtown”, ironically; most there today are from former French colonies) where she would blend right in and I’d be the odd man out.

  10. eah says:

    I have a fairly neutral impression of Vietnamese in Germany — there are obviously worse immigrant groups, but I do not see them entirely positively either.

    But I find it funny that although Vietnam is in Asia, surrounded by other Asian countries, many of which could have been then, and could now be, regarded as ‘safe countries’ for ‘refugees’, yet probably the vast, vast majority of Vietnamese ‘refugees’ ended up in the ‘nice white countries’ of Australia, Europe, Canada, and the US. Why is that? Why is it that for all practical purposes the ‘nice white countries’ shoulder the entire burden of taking up non-white ‘refugees’? (Are there any other kind of ‘refugees’?) For example: How many Syrian ‘refugees’ will end up in Japan?

    The mass movement of non-whites to ‘nice white countries’ going on now is simply not sustainable — if it is not stopped they won’t be ‘nice white countries’ for very much longer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  11. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    According to Wikipedia, these are countries with the most overseas Vietnamese:

    United States 1,799,632 (2010)
    Cambodia 600,0003
    France 300,000 (2012)
    Taiwan 200,000 – 400,000 (2014)
    Australia 210,800 (2010)
    Canada 157,450 (2011)
    South Korea 143,000 (2013)
    Germany 137,000 (2010)
    Japan 135,657 (2014)
    Malaysia 70,000
    Czech Republic 61,012 – 80,000 (2009)
    United Kingdom 55,000
    Poland 50,000
    Laos 30,000 (2012)
    Russia 26,205 – 150,000 (2006)
    China 22,517

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    , @Esteban
    , @JackOH
  12. M_Young says:

    First, I really enjoy Linh Dinh’s work. He reminds me in some sense of an American Kazuo Ishiguro, a part outsider to his country. Of course Lin Dinh focuses on the down and out or just getting by rather than the upper class. Both he and Ishiguro do seem to have that ‘detached outsider’ thing working for him.

    Second, I doubt that there is some nefarious agenda behind this article. Most of us ‘race realists’ would agree that it is entirely natural that Mr. Dinh seek out people that ‘look like him’ and share his origins in another land. In fact, he probably has had the thought that, had his parents gone to Germany rather than the USA.

    Having said that, I would caution against facile acceptance of mass immigration, even from groups that ‘integrate’. As someone originally from North Central Orange County, I can assure Mr. Dinh that our (white Americans) sense of dislocation is real. An area settled by, mostly, Southerners and then Okies and post War ‘back East’ folks seeking the California Dream was suddenly inundated by SE Asians and then ‘Latinos’. I was pretty young when we got out of there, but I know my older siblings feel are real sense of loss about the place where they grew up. It just isn’t the same — gone are the strawberry fields (ironically many owned by Japanese-Americans) — the orange orchards, etc. The wide open hills surrounding the ‘flood plain’ — we used to have cows and working dairies within a bicycle’s ride of central Garden Grove — are now covered with tract homes. Only a few scraps of ‘mitigation’ land remain.

    All for ‘development’, development that would not have been necessary except for mass immigration induced population growth (the number of whites in OC is about the same as it was in 1990). Culturally, sure pho is nice, but Vietnamese coffee bars are kind of skanky and so are the hookah bars that the even newer Arab community brings with them. I took a wrong turn off the 405 about a month ago. Cruising around Buena Park, Fountain Valley, etc, it was surprised at how dingy and monotonous and depressing all the ‘diverse’ strip malls with their check cashing places, panaderias, pho joints, tat parlors and hookah bars really were. Ironically, the only lively, shiney place was a psuedo-diner where members of the remnant white population was spilling out the doors.

    Is being ‘driven’ out of your place of origin by mass migration, the gradual barrio-ification or Little Saigon-ization of your hometown as bad as being bombed out…obviously not. It still entails loss, however. I suspect that more than a few Germans feel that loss when walking through their now Turkish or Vietnamese childhood viertel.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    the vast, vast majority of Vietnamese ‘refugees’ ended up in the ‘nice white countries’ of Australia, Europe, Canada, and the US. Why is that?

    They like whites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7ftJByUZ0 (starting at 1:45)

  14. B.R. says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Per capita, Australia and Czech Republic seems to be hardest-hit. After neighboring Cambodia.

    The problems with Vietnamese in Czech Republic are mostly their lack of respect for financial ordinances and taxation. That allows them to undercut native businesses even more than they would if they played fair. And of course, investigating that is much harder.

    Secondly, some of them are making tons of money producing meth and weed for the Western Europe market. It was pretty funny when in Breaking Bad they mentioned Czech Republic as a good place to export meth to. For the past five years or so, that’s like exporting oil to Saudis.

    With weed, the gangs would just buy any old place, convert it to hydroponics, steal electricity or get in some generators and farm. One such farm even had immured gardeners whom the police rescued and promptly charged with drug production.

    However, the drug gangs are essentially invisible*, and most people don’t even understand the concept of money laundering and how it might apply to small businesses. There is too many convenience shops, nail studios or restaurants in many places.

    It is estimated that only about 20% of Vietnamese living in Czechia are engaged in either drug gangs or the money laundering schemes, and as those activities are not seen as a problem by majority, Vietnamese in general are viewed very favorably. Moreso than say Germans, Russians or Americans.

    *only one small car bomb so far. No shootings. Albanians, Chechens and the like have a lot to learn.

  15. JackOH says:
    @M_Young

    Great comment. ” . . . [S]ense of dislocation is real . . .”. I’m a reasonably cosmopolitan guy (I think), I’m okay with well-crafted immigration and refugee policies, and, in a pinch, my small city of 18,000 could likely accept 100-200 Martian refugees fleeing some catastrophe immediately without a lot of hub-bub.

    But—that appears to not be how the real world is working, where the movement of peoples looks like it’s being instrumentalized to serve political ends and economic interests.

    As you point out, there are injuries being incurred by the people with long tenure at a location, displacement effects, “forced proximity” effects. I’m not sure anyone at all is considering that. Certainly no one in government, and I’ve only seen the scantiest literature elsewhere that says that people can be overwhelmed by people who are very different from them. You don’t have to be a nativist to say: “I don’t recognize my home anymore, and I think there’s something wrong with that.”

  16. Aixa says:

    Vietnamese in Eastern Europe created one big crime syndicate.
    They specialize in Duty / VAT frauds on cheap crappy products from China and Vietnam,
    drug trade, telecommunication frauds, selling counterfeit merchandise (cloths, alcohol, cigarettes), counterfeiting ID documents, illegal immigration to EU and many others.

    In short, Vietnamese in Eastern Europe are scum and these countries would be many billions EUR better off without Vietnamese.

    No Vietnamese immigration – no Vietnamese Mafia.

    Not to mention cheap Vietnamese food, that stinks for few hundreds meters and makes whole areas undesirable.

  17. “Count yourself lucky if you’re not among them, but don’t dismiss the distinct possibility.”
    actually given the current political decisions non-Sunni groups like for example Vietnamese and Germans will have to call themselves lucky if they would be still allowed to live in that middle european region between the northern, eastern sea and the Alpes, known as Germany today.
    Today the world is full of refugees, but that means it is also full of people who make other people flee, like Tutus, Sunni Muslims etc.

  18. @Anonymous

    You missed his point entirely.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  19. Libtard says:
    @Anonymous

    Clearly what this article means is that Germany should let in more refugees from syria and Somalia, two countries currently fighting against Islamic terrorists.

    If the Vietnamese were able to become model citizens, I don’t see why syrian and somali refugees won’t be able to as well. All Germany needs to do is provided a non racist environment to nurture these seeds of the future.

  20. M_Young says:

    @Jack_Oh

    Thanks.

    And you are right, that isn’t how the real world works. In reading into the issue, it was apparent that the US government wanted to lessen the demographic impact of the ‘Boat People’ by spreading (resettling) them all over the country. But of course most soon found there way to a few large communities. Even immigrants are ‘xenophobic’ — they want to be around there own kind.

    And of course under our nepotistic ‘family reunification’, one established immigrant soon leads to 20 more. And then the ‘community’ is so large that it becomes a political force in its own right, and immigration policy because impossible to criticize.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  21. I don’t see Linh Dinh as having an agenda or writing with an obvious “purpose”. I see a civilised degree of nuanced uncertainty based on observations available to someone who is obviously a good listener and makes himself agreeable company. (I think there was something he said once which provoked my expressed disagreement but can’t remember what it was now).

    As an Australian who could easily walk from home to dozens of Vietnamese owned businesses including many restaurants, starting about 1500 metres away, I read this with interest. More to the point I have always thought Vietnamese, starting mostly with 1970s boat people after our supposedly pro-refugee conservative PM was reminded by the US that we had been in the Vietnam War together for 9 years, were part of Australia’s good fortune together with being *relatively* hospitable to Jewish refugees, very open to Eastern Europeans escaping Communism and attractive to smart Chinese and subcontinentals including ex-students. In the meantime our said PM did us no favours by letting in Lebanese Muslims in more than immunising numbers…

    Nonetheless the reference to crime was interesting. My view had been that the occasional report some years ago of knife attacks by Vietnamese gangs in the less salubrious suburbs were merely evidence that the Vietnam War and aftermath’s disruption of families was the probable explanation for those Vietnamese not behaving like Hong Kong, Malaysian and Singapore Chinese who were such good citizens that Melbourne elected a Hong Kong born Lord Mayor about 25 years ago. (Please note that the gangs used knives, not guns!).

    So I would be interested in LD’s comment on the war caused family disruption causal element. And also, LD, please, would you tell us something about the differences in behaviour, achievement, customs and treatment as between ethnic Chinese in and from Vietnam and ethnic Vietnamese especially amongst emigrants/refugees? I have no idea what proportion of Australia’s Vietnamese are ethnic Chinese.

    I was btw intrigued to find during a short stopover in Saigon (as the locals all called it) early this year that our tour guide showed us the Chinese market and the evidences of its founders good works but said he wouldn’t allow his wife to shop there because it was Chinese.

    • Replies: @iffen
  22. JackOH says:
    @M_Young

    I’d like to see our leaders talk about indemnification, or political misadventure insurance (or compensation), or some other recognition that immigration under our current laws can have deleterious and financially calculable consequences for the already existing population.

    Politician Smith says: “I want to bring in 500,000 Martian refugees because they’re suffering and we’re good guys. My proposal is likely to have negative effects. Therefore I propose we raise taxes to financially compensate Earthlings who live within the cities and counties where the Martians will be relocated.” (Just a top-of-the-head idea.) I’m not expecting that sort of clarity any time soon.

    ” . . . [P]ost-War ‘back East’ folks seeking the California Dream . . .”. I have very little knowledge of intra-American emigration to California. I’ll wager, though, that some of that movement was from exhausted whites wanting to escape the endemic, slow-simmer inter-racial and inter-ethnic animus of Eastern and Midwestern industrial cities.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  23. I enjoy Linh Dinh’s travelogue essays. They are very interesting.

    However, I do share some of the sentiments I have seen expressed in comments. Europe may shoot itself in the foot by becoming swamped with millions of immigrants…Muslim, Asian, whatever. Tourist destinations will lose their appeal. Why travel to Europe if it becomes just an outpost of the Middle East or Asia? Why would anyone want to see women everywhere in full burqa’s and hajib’s in the land of Enlightenment? Will millions of Muslims, once in power, destroy medieval Christian churches and replace with mosques? Most likely, they will.

    My wife and I want to see Italy at some point (ancient Rome is a passion of mine and I’ve got to get to Rome, Pompeii etc before I die) however, I figure we better do it soon and beyond that, due to the massive amount of demographic change taking place in Europe and Scandinavia, there probably will be not be any other overseas trips beyond that one. The diversity everywhere will result in everything being the same and no destination special or exclusive. This will make for a dull world (the exact opposite of what diversity proponents preach).

  24. Karl says:

    >> I could tell it was Vietnamese-owned thanks to a little Buddha in its window

    LinhDinh spent a little to much time in the Viet-American Buddhist Boy Scouts. He thinks the V’s have a lock on Buddhism.

    Try selling that story to a Thai or a Burmese.

    I’m just a peice-of-shit roundeyes, and even I know he’s wrong.

    You want an all-Viet congregation? Anyplace named “Our Lady of Lavang” is gonna be crawling with female items that know how to correctly handle a Bánh tráng. And they run yellow-fever-genic.

    How do you tell apart a bracero Viet farmhand from a bracero Thai farmhand in Israel?

    With the Viets, you don’t have to lock up your housecats on the Queen’s Birthday to make sure they don’t end up in a bowl of soup.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  25. iffen says:
    @szopen

    Glad you made the right choice there, penski.

  26. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    what proportion of Australia’s Vietnamese are ethnic Chinese

    he wouldn’t allow his wife to shop there because it was Chinese.

    I know squat about China and Viet Nam, but even I know that they are eternal co-joined enemies.
    Irish-British; Greek-Turk; Pole-Russian; Jew-Everybody Else.

  27. iffen says:
    @bbtp

    Ahh! To be in Berlin now that Bagdad is there.

  28. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I guess the idea that Germany should be the homeland of the German people is just a silly notion…..

  29. Clyde says:
    @Karl

    How do you tell apart a bracero Viet farmhand from a bracero Thai farmhand in Israel?

    Israel took in Vietnamese boat people in the 1970s and they run the Chinese restaurants there. I heard this years ago.

    • Replies: @Karl
  30. Hibernian says:
    @Another German Reader

    Do you blame people marked for death or at least “reeducation” by the acolytes of Ho Chi Minh for heading out to sea rather than languishing, with their families, including women, children, and the elderly, in camps? I myself am descended from “boat people.” That they were better off than others and managed to bring some wealth with them, like Cubans, Russians, and many other people throughout history, does not disqualify them from the sympathy of good people.

    • Replies: @Anon
  31. Hibernian says:
    @JackOH

    “…some of that movement was from exhausted whites wanting to escape the endemic, slow-simmer inter-racial and inter-ethnic animus of Eastern and Midwestern industrial cities.”

    It might have had something to do with the weather, too.

  32. JackOH says:

    Weather? Sure. M_Young, above, Steve, and zillions of Californians will know more than I do about the positive attractions of California, or, at least, how those attractions were portrayed to migrants from the East and Midwest..

    My very speculative comment was based on conversations I’ve had for years with keen observers of my local area. The major city here grew 60-fold (no misprint) from 1870-1930. Asians, Southern Blacks, Middle Eastern Muslims and Christians, Europeans of all sorts. Why? Well-paying industrial jobs. The down side of that mash of peoples was handled by informally segregated housing, endemic political corruption that brokered interests, workplace corruption, union work rules, etc. There’s an up side to ethnic and racial “proximities” (my made-up term), but the down side can be stomach-churning and wearisome. And, something like one-third of the immigrants returned whence they came.

    My guess is that the idyllic California in the mind’s eye of people in wealthy but tumultuous Eastern industrial cities would be enough to give some folks the thought of relocation.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  33. Hibernian says:
    @JackOH

    Which city grew 60-fold from 1870-1930?

    • Replies: @JackOH
  34. JackOH says:
    @Hibernian

    See Youngstown, Ohio at Wikipedia. (The increase is from 1860, not 1870 as I first mentioned.)

  35. Karl says:
    @Clyde

    >> I heard this years ago

    A few dozens came in from that one boat-load; they have dissipated as a group. They don’t have any organization. Quite a few have moved abroad.

    The asian restuarants that fill up the strip-malls of Israel nowadays are mostly Thai. Or at least, branded as such. There is LOTS of travel by ordinary Israelis & ordinary Thais to the other country. Youtube has a short clip of Thai street-market salesgirls who can pitch their offers, in perfect Hebrew.

    I’ve seen a few outright Viet restaurants. Trade between Israel & vietnam is significant. Resulting in some amount of middle-class people going to each others’ country to try to make their luck, to make a buck.

    Just google on the hebrew word for “vietnamese”, you end up with mostly recipes, and offers to sell shipments of rice and of coffee. You’ll also see offers of wholesale lots of garments.

    Shrimp isn’t kosher, and seafood is a nuisance to move as it requires lots of quarantine approvals at several stages. I’ve never seen a listing of Vietnamese shrimp entering an Israeli port.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  36. Esteban says:
    @Linh Dinh

    And why should ANY of those “nice White countries” take in Vietnamese refugees? Why can’t Asian countries of similar culture and ethnicity take all of them in (then help them to return to Vietnam when it is safe)? I see no logical reason for Germany or Poland to take *any* Vietnamese refugees. There is no common culture or language.

    The only reason for this repatriation of Vietnamese people in Western nations is for international capitalists to import cheap and pliant labor. This creates a talent drain on developing nations *and* it kills the working class of the Western nations. The only people who can support this nonsense are idiots or soulless monsters.

    Multiculturalism is a nonsensical lie.

  37. JackOH says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Thanks for the numbers, Linh. I don’t have any real expertise here, but it seems sort of self-evident that America’s military engagements in Vietnam and elsewhere create big-time complicating factors in our thinking about refugees.

  38. Clyde says:
    @Karl

    Your Israel-Chinese restaurant update is greatly appreciated 🙂 Thais own many restaurants in the US and at least where I am they might open a 100% Thai restaurant. Or if they think sushi is scarce they will open up a Thai/Sushi joint. Even add Chinese food too as in, you want Kung Pao beef extra spicy? No problem!

    They are very entrepreneurial as far as this goes. Heck, I read about a Mexican fellow who became very proficient in Thai restaurant cooking. He cooks very fast and knows all the Thai restaurant slang so he he is able to keep up with the orders.

  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Why should white, western countries have to take in Vietnamese? Why can’t they go somewhere in Asia, which is the biggest continent in the world btw? WHY should countries like Germany be stuck with them? How is the lives of Germans or Poles “improved” by the presence of Vietnamese?

  40. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @Anon

    Why Germany esp?

    Vietnam was a French colony later bombed by US.

    But look at Sweden. Never conquered non-white lands, but they feel the burden to save the world.

    Moral imperialism. Whites are sooooooooo moral and must save everyone’s soul .

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Mike Zwick
  41. Clyde says:
    @Priss Factor

    That’s the shortest post ever from you….Brevity being the soul of wit//////// and all.

  42. Steve says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Unfortunately, he led the FDP into a ditch.

  43. Steve says:

    140k Vietnamese is one thing, perhaps 10-12 million more Muslims by 2020 (including coming intakes and family reunions) is quite another, and will destroy Germany and its economy, and pave the way for its majority Islamization by mid-century or so.

  44. Every White country and ONLY white countries are being flooded with third worlders. How obvious does it have to be?

  45. attilathehen [AKA "Magda"] says:
    @Anon

    Excellent point. Asians and blacks do not belong in Europe.

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