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Vinh Chau Chinese at the Seven Wonders Restaurant, Saigon, 2018
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In the 17th century, the Manchus conquered China, causing thousands of defeated Chinese soldiers and their families to flee to Vietnam, then divided between north and south. The Nguyen Clan, rulers of the south, granted these Chinese land in nominal Cambodian territory, paving the way for Vietnam’s annexation of a third of Cambodia. This obscure history is just another example of how immigrants are used to serve rulers, and how de facto borders are often fluid, to be contested over.

In Bien Hoa, the competent and enterprising Chinese built a thriving port city that traded internationally, and for this achievement, their leader Chen Shangchuan [陳上川] was showered with accolades and honorifics. In the late 18th century, however, this Chinese city was looted then razed by Quang Trung, a rival to the Nguyen Clan. Thousands of Chinese were slaughtered.

In Bien Hoa, there is a modest shrine to Chen Shangchuan, but each Vietnamese town has a street named after Quang Trung, a brilliant general and king who instituted many key economic and social reforms. His butchery of innocent Chinese is but a footnote.

Through all the persecution, the Chinese are still doing well in Vietnam, thanks to their human capital. Never dwelling on historical injustices, they merely forge forward. Yesterday, I had coffee with Chan, a 64-year-old Chinese from Vinh Chau, a once miserable backwater on the coast. Visiting it in 1998, I had to endure a primitive ferry crossing plus miles of rocky road. Perched on a low chair in its main market, I had a regrettable bowl of soup.

Thirty years ago, Chan couldn’t afford his morning coffee. Now, he owns four houses and a 22-employee business that buys and sells used chains, cables and pulleys, “My son worked for a guy who did this, so that’s how we learnt the business. Now, we have clients from all over the country, even in Hanoi.”

“Why can’t they just buy their chains and cables up there?”

“We have the largest stock!” The mustachioed man smiled, “and the best prices. People trust us.”

Vietnam’s revival results from the economic reforms of Doi Moi. Once the state got out of the way, commerce blossomed, wealth was generated and abject destitution mostly disappeared.

Like most Chinese in Vietnam, Chan betrays an accent when speaking Vietnamese, and his usage of idioms can be slightly odd. Language bonds or repels in a continuum, and a Vietnamese can pick up immediately if you’re from the Mekong Delta, Saigon, Hue or Hanoi, etc.

A hands-on boss who’s not leery of getting his hands dirty, Chan’s at work by 7:30 each morning. “I can’t take a vacation. If I’m not here, my employees may pocket some of the receipts, you know, or neglect urgent orders.”

During the decade and a half after the Vietnam War, over a million people fled Vietnam by boat, but not Chan, “I had a friend who was a boat builder, so I could have escaped for free, but I didn’t go because of my aging father.”

To get on a boat, one normally had to pay eight gold taels, then risk capture, prison, hunger, thirst, sickness, storms, pirates and death, all in the hope of arriving in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, China or Hong Kong, yet even then, one may be repatriated, as many were.

Although wealthy now, Chan has only been outside Vietnam once, “I have a business associate in Cambodia. He kept saying, ‘You must come over!’ but I never went, so once, he just showed up and basically kidnapped me! I spent three days in Cambodia. It was fun.”

The café was on a street with an unusually wide sidewalk. We leaned back and watched people stream by. Since it was around 6:30AM, the temperature was pleasantly cool. Seeing a slow-moving funeral procession, Chan laughed, “Once in a wedding car, once in a hearse, then it’s over!”

I was about to joke that one can get in several wedding cars, then I remembered that Vietnam’s divorce rate is extremely low. Though many men frequent prostitutes or have mistresses, they don’t tend to dump their wives.

Though no longer living in Vinh Chau, Chan still owns land there. “I leave it fallow. It’s really not worth it to grow anything. The weather is too unpredictable. Before, you knew it would be dry for six months, rainy for six months, but now, it rains whenever it feels like. You stand a good chance of losing money by growing crops.” By owning land there, Chan is asserting he hasn’t abandoned his roots.

“What about shrimp farming? I hear that’s huge down there.”

“But they can all die. Shrimp farming is also very risky.”

“So what’s happening in Vinh Chau?”

“Almost nothing!”

“But I hear there’s a lot of development down there. It’s like a brand-new town!”

“That’s because of the money that’s being sent back by people like me. You must know your roots. If not for Vinh Chau, I wouldn’t be here. Although we’re no longer home, we stay in touch. If we hear, for example, that the temple needs to be fixed, we all chip in.”

Leaving Chan, I went to the Seven Wonders Restaurant to meet more Chinese from Vinh Chau. Once a week, about a dozen men and women meet to socialize and discuss what needs to be done back home. As the conversation was mostly in Teochew, I was out of the loop. Still, it was remarkable to witness such a sense of community from these successful business people.

Garish, the Seven Wonders flaunts bright concrete statues of Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Pluto and an Egyptian pharaoh. The cuisine is Cantonese, mostly.

If you ask a Vinh Chau Chinese how did his ancestors end up there, you’d only get vague answers, such as, “That’s where our boat land, more than hundred years ago.” One man said, “two, three hundred years ago.” And, “It was undeveloped land, so we just start to farm it and build houses.” Sort of like the Pilgrims.

“But weren’t people already there?” I asked.

“Yes, there were Cambodians, but there weren’t that many.”

Another man added, “And once we became more established and successful, we bought land from the Cambodians. That’s how our community grew.”

A young Cantonese raised in Cho Lon, Saigon’s Chinatown, told me his great-grandfather walked there all the way from Guangdong.

“Couldn’t he, ah, have gotten on a cart or something?”

Sen, “My people didn’t have any money! They were starving! In fact, when one of them died, the others had to hold him up and pretend he was still alive. They couldn’t bury him until dark.”

“Why?”

“If the other people saw a dead man, they would have eaten him! They were all starving!”

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After his dad abandoned the family, Sen’s mom became a whore, so he and his sister grew up desperate. Now, he’s a well-traveled yoga teacher, and his sister is married to a rich Jewish guy nearly twice her age in California. They roam the world to scuba dive.

At its peak in the 12th century, the Cambodian Empire occupied much of present day Thailand, half of Vietnam and all of Laos, then came eight centuries of decline that reached its nadir under Pol Pot, a man who combined secular Jewish messianism with atavistic Angkor yearnings.

The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx.

“Please, white man, can I endure this already taxing existence without any Jewish savior? Do I try to shove Buddha, Confucius or Laozi down your throat?”

“No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals. There is no Chinese Howard Stern or Jerry Springer. Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state.

Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China. Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?

Linh Dinh’s latest books are Postcards from the End of America (non-fiction) and A Mere Rica (poetry). He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    After his dad abandoned the family, Sen’s mom became a whore, so he and his sister grew up desperate. Now, he’s a well-traveled yoga teacher, and his sister is married to a rich Jewish guy nearly twice her age in California. They roam the world to scuba dive.

    ROTFL. What a world.

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    China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.
     
    Linh Dinh was wrong, "Vietnam" was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.

    BTW, while the educated Linh Dinh in Vietnam he should mobilize the Vietnamese to get rid of the French imposed ugly curly European script and restore their ancestor writing script back as their national writing script. The French imposed curly script reminds people the Vietnamese is still servile to their ex-White master, and are deeply mentally colonized by the White like the Taiwanese who are deeply mentally colonized by the unrepentant war criminal Japanese.
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  2. Truth says:

    Linhjo, no dog whistle. I’m proud of you.

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    Never use a dog whistle when a fog horn will work.
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  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn’t have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence, Chinese could easily out-compete others in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and etc. If you’ve seen in ACT OF KILLING, it’s obvious that Indonesians are a bunch of moronic dodos. A Chinese kid in college from Indonesia told me what morons they are. A Indonesian maid had lots of kids. One went missing for a month and she realized the kid had been missing ONLY WHEN the kid reappeared again.

    Chinese don’t need to mock and belittle the locals since the locals do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own.
    Also, you can’t use the cult of guilt on a people so moronic. Guilt requires some degree of conscience and ethics, and it’s just not there with the brown locals of SE Asia. Just look at the morons of ACT OF KILLING.

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    • Replies: @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Using your criteria, then it could be said that white people have no conscience or ethics either, as well demonstrated by the mass slaughter of millions of Poles, Jews and others, as well as massacres of numerous Chinese when whites envied their hard work and prosperity. As far as Vietnam, the brown heads could certain not look to white "role models" for guidance. Said "role models" were busy bombing on a scale that was more than tonnages of WW2, and that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. In fact official US documents (See Nick Turse's books) show American government officials in some areas encouraging the mass destruction of hamlets and villages in order to generate more refugees who could then be "regrouped" to the "winning" side.
    , @Rabbi High Comma
    "But Chinese love to mock other Chinese."
    Self-hating Chinese? Ha they have much to learn about destroying outgroups. I bet they don't even teach their toddlers about Unit 731!

    If you need your circumcision tightened up let me know.
    , @luba
    Have you noticed that those Hong Kong & Taiwan people you encountered, who liked to mock Mainland Chinese, are all people who have been subjected to Western brainwash all those years?

    Some of Vietnamese greatest dynasties, such as Lý Dynasty, were created by kings who were Chinese descendents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%E1%BB%95. One of the greatest Vietnamese King "borrowed"/copied Chinese laws from Tang Dynasty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%C3%B4ng.

    Chinese was lingua franco in Vietnam for quite a long time. Till 20th century, the formal writing in Vietnam was done in literary Chinese. Some of the Vietnamese kings even tried to claim that Vietnam was the righteous heir of China.

    Maybe that explains partially the IQ/competitiveness of Vietnamese vs that of other your so-called brown ppl?

    , @Daniel Chieh

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.
     

    I don't know if mock is the right word - they mostly just don't see each other as an ingroup and thus have no great reason to like each other*. A Malaysian or Indo-Chinese has as much to do with a Mainland Chinese as an Australian as to do with an Englishman(and probably a bit less so): same ethnicity, similar if modified culture, and often the same language, but with very different attitudes on values of life. There's always something to claim locally as superior after all, whether it is cinema(Hong Kong), order/civility(Singapore), democracy(Taiwan), or even having a "more laid-back outlook on life"(SEA Chinese diaspora).

    I think the Jewish have a culture to be more tightly affiliated as an ingroup and frequently have a sense of outside oppresssion as an unifying myth. Indeed, anti-Chinese sentiment tends to be the main source of Chinese unity as well - less effective because often the population will perceive themselves as something other than "Chinese"(Singaporean, Malaysian, etc) .

    In Chinese, this is called being like "沙" and is often mourned: basically being like individual granules of sand that do not actually help each other. Since this has been going on at least a thousand years, it probably isn't to change.

    *Some, of course, try to signal hard and seek acceptable by actively hating themselves: Gordan Chang being the most prominent example, but there are plenty of this in less prominent people. The sense of self-hate, the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape is a palpable feeling those individuals exhibit.

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  4. Dan Hayes says:

    Hi Linh,

    Very glad to hear that you are hopefully safely and happily ensconced in Vietnam.

    Quoting my late father:

    1) The savage loves his native shore. (Appropriately enough he was quoting his fellow Irishman, James Orr, Bard of Ballycorry.)

    2) The Chinese are the Jews of the East.

    With regards to #1, welcome back to your native shore!

    With regards to #2, your essay is living proof!

    And looking forward to continuing reports from your “native shore”.

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  5. “Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China. Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel? ”
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    This is correct there are differences, but there are also several similarities. FOr example the Chinese have often been considered to be agents of a foreign power (China), and to be clannish, cheating and gouging and exploiting the local people- just like the Jew. Like the Jew, the Chinese have often been attacked physically – in Malaysia, in Indonesia, and in Vietnam – for their perceived ties to a foreign hegemon, or due to their affluence. In the US West, white mobs killed scores of Chinese whose hard work and acumen they resented, and it was said the hapless victims did not have “a CHinaman’s chance.”

    Like the Jew the Chinese have exercised economic power to punish their enemies, or buy them off. This happened in South Vietnam.

    In the 1950s the Chinese almost shut down SVN’s economy. when SVN ruler Ngo Dinh Diem turned up the heat on people he alleged had “dual loyalties.” He pushed measures requiring that all Chinese become Vietnamese citizens, barring them from some occupations, and demanded that the Viet language be taught in Chinese schools. A final decree ordered the dissolution of all 5 Chinese bangs, or regional groups that governed internal Chinese affairs- again perceived as a sort of potential fifth column enabling the Chinese to plot and consolidate power.

    Like the Jew the Chinese dominated key slices of the economy, and when threatened, the Chinese vigorously protested, and Taiwan weighed in to protest persecution of its overseas citizens. The Chinese retaliated also by withdrawing much of their money from banks causing a collapse in the local currency. The Chinese also hit the distribution system which they dominated bringing many commercial transactions to a standstill, and causing severe economic hardship. The US govt pressured both sides to come to an agreement and Diem was forced to eventually ease up on his persecution.

    Like the Jew, the Chinese also used widespread bribery, and behind the scenes lobbying to look after their interests. Unlke the JEw however who is visible in politics in the US, the CHinese prefer to keep a low public profile while they manipulate matters from behind the scenes. When the communist took over, Chinese luck ran out, as tens of thousands of Chinese “boat people” again suspected of dual loyalties were forced out- around a quarter of a million of them.

    And is Israel being this big existential threat to the US? No doubt Israeli boosters will say Israel or Jews are no worse than the Chinese or China, or Russia, or America in protecting their own interests. And they will say Israel has, while serving itself, also served Western interests in the region as well- as the Suez campaign of 1956 demonstrates, as well as various collaborations on the “War on Terror.” In domestic matters, the “neocon Jews” have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.

    One curiosity- if Trump is supposed to be this great redemptive figure- making America great again, why does he seem so cosy with Israel, that threatening stronghold of Jewry? Why isn’t the great redeemer distancing himself from Israel so that America might breathe free?

    His daughter it is true is married to a very affluent Jew which raises questions as to who is tied in with who, and whether elite inbreeding and power, trumps US interests. Are the mystical hopes placed on Trump for redemption in some conservative quarters, just another shrewd manipulated control engineered by those tricky Jewz? Is today’s right itself being “played” by the manipulators of dual loyalties?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I think Linh spelled out the key difference with the Jews though. The Chinese may be clannish and money hungry like Jews are, but I don't think the Chinese are near as hostile to the host populations which is proven with how the Chinese have populations all over the world who have co-existed with host nations.

    Jews on the other hand have been expelled pretty much everywhere they have been and even have a contemptible word, goyim, for the host populace whom Jews pretty typically despise.
    , @Malla

    In domestic matters, the “neocon Jews” have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.
     
    Some of these neocon Jews were Trotskyites once. They support what is good for Israel. In-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism to attack the left as many in the left are very pro Palestinian.
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  6. “Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries.”

    Not true in Thailand that’s for sure.

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    “Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries.”

    Not true in Thailand that’s for sure.
     
    Its true in general sense, overseas Chinese are only interested in making good money or job, not power play that bring risk. In Western countries, media, gov and banking are largely anti chinese, overwhelming controlled by whites or jews.

    But in Asean countries where majority local people are simply quite backward and lay back comparatively, not to insult, but look at local brown Thais, Malaysia Malays, Singapore Malays, Indonesia Malays, Burmese, Cambodian, Laos, they are of similar genes and culture wearing sarongs, eating with hands... that are traced back to a tribe in Yunan who migrated down south.

    So naturally the more business minded and hardworking smarter chinese dominate everything in Asean, with some Indians, Silks, Arabs and Eurasian.
    , @llloyd
    In Thailand, the Chinese have more or less entirely intermarried with the Thais. But I suppose you can say that about the Jews also. I don't recall any anti Chinese sentiments or dual loyalty accusations. The Thaksin family and the Royal family are both of Chinese descent. So in Thailand you could say the Chinese have more than their finger in both camps. Again very like the Jews. I taught in Thailand and I can say there were some brilliant Thais. If they were Chinese descent, I didn't know. Being brown is a stigma but no surety of lack of intelligence as my Thai in-law shows. The Thais are kind. They are very hard working unless they have connections then they seem to do no work at all. Thailand is totally corrupt. I worked illegally for the Government as a school teacher. They have a unique combination of gangsterism combined with sanctimoniousness as their politics demonstrate.
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  7. @Anon
    As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn't have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence, Chinese could easily out-compete others in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and etc. If you've seen in ACT OF KILLING, it's obvious that Indonesians are a bunch of moronic dodos. A Chinese kid in college from Indonesia told me what morons they are. A Indonesian maid had lots of kids. One went missing for a month and she realized the kid had been missing ONLY WHEN the kid reappeared again.

    Chinese don't need to mock and belittle the locals since the locals do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own.
    Also, you can't use the cult of guilt on a people so moronic. Guilt requires some degree of conscience and ethics, and it's just not there with the brown locals of SE Asia. Just look at the morons of ACT OF KILLING.

    Using your criteria, then it could be said that white people have no conscience or ethics either, as well demonstrated by the mass slaughter of millions of Poles, Jews and others, as well as massacres of numerous Chinese when whites envied their hard work and prosperity. As far as Vietnam, the brown heads could certain not look to white “role models” for guidance. Said “role models” were busy bombing on a scale that was more than tonnages of WW2, and that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. In fact official US documents (See Nick Turse’s books) show American government officials in some areas encouraging the mass destruction of hamlets and villages in order to generate more refugees who could then be “regrouped” to the “winning” side.

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    There's that American-Vietnam War dog whistle! Just can't resist can we?

    The CIA controlled the anti-war movement then and still does. Rather then quote Tom's Dispatch like a hung up evangelical getting high from his stash ask yourself why the New Jack Times published the Pentagon Papers? All the war secrets right out there in view? Why what will you do with the information you've been given? Get down and boogie probably, which today means floating the hours away on social survelliance media.

    By the end of another era you and your generation will be on the bandwagon like the 50 somethings before you who finally decided Kissinger (or any other celebrity) really did what was best for the country. It's easier this way - trust 'em.

    , @Bastian
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa "well demonstrated by the mass slaughter of millions of Poles, Jews and others" Obviously, you're simply a brainwashed moron, and think exactly what your masters taught you to think. Consequently, "your" opinion has no value.
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  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn’t have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence,

    The Thais are at least as smart as the Vietnamese, and more pleasant too.

    Don’t forget the Indians. While most are pretty incompetent, there are a enough high flying exceptions like Ananda Krishnan and Tony Fernandes. The Sikhs are also solidly middle class although too few to challenge the Chinese.

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    Smart Thais usually have Chinese ancestry. There's a lot of them.
    , @Anonymous
    Indians don't have a huge presence in SE Asia, and the population there pretty much despises Indians anyway.
    , @Karl
    8 anonymous > Don’t forget the Indians


    women almost as fat as blacks
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  9. @Anon
    As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn't have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence, Chinese could easily out-compete others in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and etc. If you've seen in ACT OF KILLING, it's obvious that Indonesians are a bunch of moronic dodos. A Chinese kid in college from Indonesia told me what morons they are. A Indonesian maid had lots of kids. One went missing for a month and she realized the kid had been missing ONLY WHEN the kid reappeared again.

    Chinese don't need to mock and belittle the locals since the locals do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own.
    Also, you can't use the cult of guilt on a people so moronic. Guilt requires some degree of conscience and ethics, and it's just not there with the brown locals of SE Asia. Just look at the morons of ACT OF KILLING.

    “But Chinese love to mock other Chinese.”
    Self-hating Chinese? Ha they have much to learn about destroying outgroups. I bet they don’t even teach their toddlers about Unit 731!

    If you need your circumcision tightened up let me know.

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  10. Biff says:

    The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx.

    Heathens and Barbarians like peas and carrots. I love it when different peoples look down their nose at one another.

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  11. utu says:

    do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own

    I think you just did it to yourself. You, moron.

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  12. utu says:

    Spot on on the conduct of Jews vs. the conduct of Chinese as a minority. The question is which part of cultural code makes Jews behave like Jews while Chinese like Chinese. It would be really good to know if we want to fix this world by fixing Jews which clearly are dangerous to this world.

    Already Voltaire in 18 century made some observations:

    “The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct, and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny.”

    “They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.

    We really are talking about the survival of the human race.

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    I think it's because Chinese are people with a home, whereas Jews are not. Overseas Chinese usually arrived because China was particularly bad at the time, and they're quite open to returning if the tides change.

    A good reason to support Israel!
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  13. Chuck says:

    “No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

    Kek!

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  14. dodo says:

    that comparison of chinese with jews is interesting, but be careful, you could be witch-hunted by someone for anti-semitism

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  15. Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?

    No. But Israel is not a menace to the US, for the most part it is a US puppet. It is a thorn in the Middle East that has been very effective in keeping Arabs angry and divided. The last thing the US wants is a united pan-Arab state. Israeli and US machinations have kept the smartest most capable Arabs ( essentially the descendants of the Phoenicians – the Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians plus the Egyptian Copts) at each others’ throats allowing the stupidest Arabs (the Saudis) to get rich extracting oil and have far too much cultural influence with their debilitating Wahabi Islam. Before the creation of Israel Christian Arabs, Copts and Jews played very important roles in Iraq and Egypt as well. Using Israel to snap the historical bonds of these people to their historical homelands has also played a huge role into turning the Middle East into a disaster and dramatically reduced the native talent pool.

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    Spot on old chap.divide and conquer in the age of the empire.one has to ask who will benefit the most from declining us influence in the m.e -china of course as it has no oil resources of its own.
    Bear in mind that the vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin,

    https://www.epmag.com/vietnam-tells-china-move-oil-rig-gulf-tonkin-844721


    https://www.google.com.au/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKPEK26269420080720

    Good luck with your move to vietnam linh,the south china sea is the place to be.
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  16. Thanks for these vignettes. A pleasurable read.

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  17. iffen says:
    @Truth
    Linhjo, no dog whistle. I'm proud of you.

    Never use a dog whistle when a fog horn will work.

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  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don’t deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

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    Who says he hates Jews? He isn't allowed to talk honestly about Jews or else he is an antisemite?

    It isn't that Jews do entertainment by the way. It's that Jews are oppressive to other people who need to live with them, always calling them antisemite while those in the entertainment business help themselves to raping goyim women.
    , @Da Wei
    Hatred of Jews? There is no hatred in this writing.
    Have you had a jewish bud? Or jewish girlfriend? Besides being overly personal, this question is sophomoric, 'cause pokin' don't make you smarter. Would that somehow obviate the cogency of this paragraph? This is true:

    "As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals. There is no Chinese Howard Stern or Jerry Springer. Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state."

    Now, in instant replay, here is the knockout punch:

    "Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?"

    Please, do not whine that these sentiments emanate from hatred. You are probably an intelligent person and should know that drawing conclusions and anticipating conduct based on past experience and probability do not constitute racism or antisemitism. And if they do, then we need to rethink our condemnation of racism and antisemitism. Maybe they are natural consequences of living with others and wanting to survive.

    You know what they would call "racial profiling" in China? Common Sense. You know what they would call you if you didn't "profile"? Stupid.

    I suggest you rethink Sartre's Anti-Semite and Jew in this context. That petit book can lead your head up your ass with its insistence on affirming every person's moral freedom by not objectifying their essence. Or, by not making yourself an object by wearing hatred for the other on your shirt sleeve. Sure, you take each individual as you find him, but don't let that make you stupid, and it can if you take Sartre as your guide.

    Sitting in a French coffee shop with a lesbian and a cigarette wouldn't impress on anyone the need for conclusions -- say conclusions about jews -- that wasn't essentially ambivalent. There was a reason Edward I kicked all jews out of England. He made a sweeping command for the common good and he had common sense.

    , @Whoever

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.
     
    Do you mean Réflexions sur la question juive? I think it only applied to the situation in France in the first half of the 20th century. It's a relic of a by-gone time and place.
    , @Sam J.
    "...I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre..."

    Forget him. What you need is a few article by Revilo Oliver.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/wwoop.htm

    http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js07.html
    , @Jon Orton
    Recording truisms isn't hate. It's observation.
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  19. mcohen says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?

    No. But Israel is not a menace to the US, for the most part it is a US puppet. It is a thorn in the Middle East that has been very effective in keeping Arabs angry and divided. The last thing the US wants is a united pan-Arab state. Israeli and US machinations have kept the smartest most capable Arabs ( essentially the descendants of the Phoenicians - the Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians plus the Egyptian Copts) at each others' throats allowing the stupidest Arabs (the Saudis) to get rich extracting oil and have far too much cultural influence with their debilitating Wahabi Islam. Before the creation of Israel Christian Arabs, Copts and Jews played very important roles in Iraq and Egypt as well. Using Israel to snap the historical bonds of these people to their historical homelands has also played a huge role into turning the Middle East into a disaster and dramatically reduced the native talent pool.

    Spot on old chap.divide and conquer in the age of the empire.one has to ask who will benefit the most from declining us influence in the m.e -china of course as it has no oil resources of its own.
    Bear in mind that the vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin,

    https://www.epmag.com/vietnam-tells-china-move-oil-rig-gulf-tonkin-844721

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKPEK26269420080720

    Good luck with your move to vietnam linh,the south china sea is the place to be.

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    "...vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin..."

    I wish people wouldn't say such silly things. If you remember the times the Commies were attacking all over the planet. They had multiple thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at the US and Europe and had publicly proclaimed they would bury the West. Now even the most simple, fleeting look at a map will show you that Vietnam was an important place geopoliticaly sitting aside the South Sea trade routes. I can state without any quibbles at all that if the US had not fought n Vietnam then large parts of South East Asia would have been lost to the Commies. During the time we were fighting in Vietnam the other countries around the area were fighting off their own Commie insurgencies. Some even won. Now there's a lot of White bashing about the US bombing this and that, I'm not counting the present as it's all because the Jews control the country, but just exactly what did the Commies do? Serve everyone tea? No they were some of the most horrendous killers ever on planet earth. As bad as we evil Whites are would you rather live in North Korea...forever?
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  20. macilrae says:

    As usual from Linh Dinh a fascinating article, covering his topic from an unique and refreshing angle, but which seemed to get a little side-tracked towards the end — predictably causing many commentators here to shift focus onto well-trodden ground: albeit with validity.

    There is a sense of restless energy you get in Vietnam which seems largely absent in Cambodia or Laos where the laid-back atmosphere hits you like a wet blanket- I had put that down to the strong Chinese inter-mixture. In Cambodia there were surely Chinese monopolizing many businesses (I tried to visit a very dodgy-looking fish farm and was doggedly refused access – I have resolutely avoided eating farmed fish from those parts ever since) and I had tea with a fellow who was under indictment for murder while his grand-kids and chickens scrabbled on the floor and his heroin(?) IV hung on the nearby wall – he was Chinese and had fallen afoul of the authorities.

    I believe I am correct in saying that the majority of the Vietnamese “boat people” were ethnic Chinese – seemingly at that time there was a purge going on?

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  21. Where did you get your hatred of jews from?

    A lot of folks get their hatred of Jews from Jews. It’s evident that Jews have a hard time getting along with anyone and hate each other as well as dumb goyim and when they act on their feelings, they encourage resentment and loathing.

    If one understands the the meaning of the word, “goy,” (s)he’ll understand the answer to your question.

    Another source of understanding the phenomenon is to read what the old prophets said. Apparently Gawd hizownself could hardly put up with his own “special” ones, nor they with him. Much of what they said was confirmed by Josephus.

    Any further questions?

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    exactly.
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  22. luba says:
    @Anon
    As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn't have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence, Chinese could easily out-compete others in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and etc. If you've seen in ACT OF KILLING, it's obvious that Indonesians are a bunch of moronic dodos. A Chinese kid in college from Indonesia told me what morons they are. A Indonesian maid had lots of kids. One went missing for a month and she realized the kid had been missing ONLY WHEN the kid reappeared again.

    Chinese don't need to mock and belittle the locals since the locals do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own.
    Also, you can't use the cult of guilt on a people so moronic. Guilt requires some degree of conscience and ethics, and it's just not there with the brown locals of SE Asia. Just look at the morons of ACT OF KILLING.

    Have you noticed that those Hong Kong & Taiwan people you encountered, who liked to mock Mainland Chinese, are all people who have been subjected to Western brainwash all those years?

    Some of Vietnamese greatest dynasties, such as Lý Dynasty, were created by kings who were Chinese descendents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%E1%BB%95. One of the greatest Vietnamese King “borrowed”/copied Chinese laws from Tang Dynasty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%C3%B4ng.

    Chinese was lingua franco in Vietnam for quite a long time. Till 20th century, the formal writing in Vietnam was done in literary Chinese. Some of the Vietnamese kings even tried to claim that Vietnam was the righteous heir of China.

    Maybe that explains partially the IQ/competitiveness of Vietnamese vs that of other your so-called brown ppl?

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  23. @Anonymous

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn’t have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence,
     
    The Thais are at least as smart as the Vietnamese, and more pleasant too.

    Don't forget the Indians. While most are pretty incompetent, there are a enough high flying exceptions like Ananda Krishnan and Tony Fernandes. The Sikhs are also solidly middle class although too few to challenge the Chinese.

    Smart Thais usually have Chinese ancestry. There’s a lot of them.

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  24. Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.

    is there any country in 2018 still live in fear of being conquered and eaten up by china?

    Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?

    maybe after an american holocaust. after a major american military defeat. would never happen since we all got nukes now. base on current msm and total narrative control, that is the only way for the controlling narrative to collapsed. not before.

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  25. luba says:

    One more question to @Linh Dinh : can average Vietnamese nowdays read some Chinese characters and your history book written in Chinese? Or do you need to get high education/specific training to read all those historic records written in Chinese?

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  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    "Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China. Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel? "
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    This is correct there are differences, but there are also several similarities. FOr example the Chinese have often been considered to be agents of a foreign power (China), and to be clannish, cheating and gouging and exploiting the local people- just like the Jew. Like the Jew, the Chinese have often been attacked physically - in Malaysia, in Indonesia, and in Vietnam - for their perceived ties to a foreign hegemon, or due to their affluence. In the US West, white mobs killed scores of Chinese whose hard work and acumen they resented, and it was said the hapless victims did not have "a CHinaman's chance."

    Like the Jew the Chinese have exercised economic power to punish their enemies, or buy them off. This happened in South Vietnam.

    In the 1950s the Chinese almost shut down SVN's economy. when SVN ruler Ngo Dinh Diem turned up the heat on people he alleged had "dual loyalties." He pushed measures requiring that all Chinese become Vietnamese citizens, barring them from some occupations, and demanded that the Viet language be taught in Chinese schools. A final decree ordered the dissolution of all 5 Chinese bangs, or regional groups that governed internal Chinese affairs- again perceived as a sort of potential fifth column enabling the Chinese to plot and consolidate power.

    Like the Jew the Chinese dominated key slices of the economy, and when threatened, the Chinese vigorously protested, and Taiwan weighed in to protest persecution of its overseas citizens. The Chinese retaliated also by withdrawing much of their money from banks causing a collapse in the local currency. The Chinese also hit the distribution system which they dominated bringing many commercial transactions to a standstill, and causing severe economic hardship. The US govt pressured both sides to come to an agreement and Diem was forced to eventually ease up on his persecution.

    Like the Jew, the Chinese also used widespread bribery, and behind the scenes lobbying to look after their interests. Unlke the JEw however who is visible in politics in the US, the CHinese prefer to keep a low public profile while they manipulate matters from behind the scenes. When the communist took over, Chinese luck ran out, as tens of thousands of Chinese "boat people" again suspected of dual loyalties were forced out- around a quarter of a million of them.

    And is Israel being this big existential threat to the US? No doubt Israeli boosters will say Israel or Jews are no worse than the Chinese or China, or Russia, or America in protecting their own interests. And they will say Israel has, while serving itself, also served Western interests in the region as well- as the Suez campaign of 1956 demonstrates, as well as various collaborations on the "War on Terror." In domestic matters, the "neocon Jews" have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.

    One curiosity- if Trump is supposed to be this great redemptive figure- making America great again, why does he seem so cosy with Israel, that threatening stronghold of Jewry? Why isn't the great redeemer distancing himself from Israel so that America might breathe free?

    His daughter it is true is married to a very affluent Jew which raises questions as to who is tied in with who, and whether elite inbreeding and power, trumps US interests. Are the mystical hopes placed on Trump for redemption in some conservative quarters, just another shrewd manipulated control engineered by those tricky Jewz? Is today's right itself being "played" by the manipulators of dual loyalties?

    I think Linh spelled out the key difference with the Jews though. The Chinese may be clannish and money hungry like Jews are, but I don’t think the Chinese are near as hostile to the host populations which is proven with how the Chinese have populations all over the world who have co-existed with host nations.

    Jews on the other hand have been expelled pretty much everywhere they have been and even have a contemptible word, goyim, for the host populace whom Jews pretty typically despise.

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    Fair enough. I just think there are some strong similarities between the two, as far as power in respective host societies and hostility. The Chinese have been extensively hated or resented in their host societies due to their dominance in local economies and educational systems, clannishness, as well as potential "dual loyalties" to a hegemonic China, from Vietnam to Indonesia. That feeling has not disappeared. I would agree though that the Jewish case is more extensive.

    Which again brings up the mystery- how come Trump who has been hailed as a "redeemer" figure by many, so cosy with Israel and assorted Jewish proxies/agents/boosters thereto, if these people are supposed to be such an internal threat?
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  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn’t have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence,
     
    The Thais are at least as smart as the Vietnamese, and more pleasant too.

    Don't forget the Indians. While most are pretty incompetent, there are a enough high flying exceptions like Ananda Krishnan and Tony Fernandes. The Sikhs are also solidly middle class although too few to challenge the Chinese.

    Indians don’t have a huge presence in SE Asia, and the population there pretty much despises Indians anyway.

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    They are nowhere near as numerous as the Chinese, but there is a prominent South Indian minority in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and before the war caused them to flee, Vietnam. They tend to be of the rather prosperous merchant type and are discriminated against, but for the same reasons as the Chinese rather than because they are seen as working class.

    I do know that recent Indian migrants tend to be viewed differently, but then again, so are recent migrants from the PRC: including by the "native" Chinese themselves.

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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don't deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    Who says he hates Jews? He isn’t allowed to talk honestly about Jews or else he is an antisemite?

    It isn’t that Jews do entertainment by the way. It’s that Jews are oppressive to other people who need to live with them, always calling them antisemite while those in the entertainment business help themselves to raping goyim women.

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  29. mp says:

    I can’t take a vacation. If I’m not here, my employees may pocket some of the receipts…

    So yesterday I went to purchase electrostatic air filter inserts from a local A/C installer. Not the kind you can find at Lowes, or Home Depot. The only employee present was warehouse guy. The owner was out doing an install. I was told they don’t generally do over the counter retail. However, he added that for a twenty he’d get me a contractor’s roll out of the back warehouse.

    I pulled out my card, he hesitated, and replied, “Gots to be cash for me to do the deal.” I shrugged, handed over a Jackson, and he handed me the filters. No tax, no receipt, no nothing. My guess is that when Bossman got back, no mention was made of the deal, while on the way home, after work, warehouse guy was able to buy that case of Bud he hitherto would not have been able to.

    Soon, Bossman will ask warehouse guy, “Don’t we have a roll of filter packs somewhere?” At which time warehouse guy will respond, “I put it on the truck a couple of weeks ago.”

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    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.
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  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Spot on on the conduct of Jews vs. the conduct of Chinese as a minority. The question is which part of cultural code makes Jews behave like Jews while Chinese like Chinese. It would be really good to know if we want to fix this world by fixing Jews which clearly are dangerous to this world.

    Already Voltaire in 18 century made some observations:

    “The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct, and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny.”

    “They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.
     
    We really are talking about the survival of the human race.

    I think it’s because Chinese are people with a home, whereas Jews are not. Overseas Chinese usually arrived because China was particularly bad at the time, and they’re quite open to returning if the tides change.

    A good reason to support Israel!

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    And why is it that the Chinese have a home and are able to hold onto it while Jews are not?
    , @utu

    A good reason to support Israel!
     
    On Mars even better.
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  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No insurance scams, public-private ripoffs, pay-day lenders, hand bag slaves or Howard Stern? Here’s socialism:

    “That’s because of the money that’s being sent back by people like me. You must know your roots. If not for Vinh Chau, I wouldn’t be here. Although we’re no longer home, we stay in touch. If we hear, for example, that the temple needs to be fixed, we all chip in.”

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    It’s voluntary. That’s not socialism as the word is used.
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  32. AaronB says:

    I’ve done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage – moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and “assume” the superior pose.

    I don’t know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn’t help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability – studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It’s quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined – a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society “knows” – he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can’t really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

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    Using "criticism, feigned outrage – moral attacks, futile debate, perceptions shaping stress and confusion, guilt trips, emotionalism, and assuming superior poses pretty much describes some of the tactics of white groups, including white Americans in their dealings with others. They aren’t a Chinese monopoly by any means, or a collectivist one either. Activities overseas by super individualistic, rationalistic Americans have included all the above tactics.


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    AaronB says:
    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.
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    But its not hard at all. We have the historical record. When the CHinese ran into the rational, rugged American individualists on the West Coast of the US, they pretty much ran the same playbook- tight, clannish organization, concentration on the building power in the economic sphere, extensive "behind the scenes" manipulation including bribery, and a penchant for blunt force grinding work that could outlast their detractors.


    .
    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.
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    How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall..


    .
    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.
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    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic? History delivers no such verdict. Matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that Americans prefer the contrary- appeals to the emotions, tribal loyalties (local, regional and racial) and good old fashioned cash on the barrelhead as in the horse trading, pork barrel, machine politics that keeps things moving. The university or think-tank egghead has never been a popular figure among Americans, and "rationalism" has had plenty of detractors- such as the fierce union struggles against "rational" corporate exploitation. And most Americans do not open everything up to debate- egghead academics in universities and think tanks might debate forever, but not the common "man in the street." Even the much maligned media follow certain shared understandings with the public.

    , @Sherman
    You seem pretty stupid.

    It probably doesn't take much to "undermine" your "self-confidence".
    , @SomeGuy
    If they speak English they must've learned from jews.

    Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play.

    Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.

    Needless to say, places where everybody jews each other hard are shitty ones to live in so they migrate elsewhere where they can make use of people that have better social norms.

    Typical shylock type behavior that got Chinese people shoa'd more than once:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vietnamese-tourist-kneels-and-begs-for-refund-of-iphone-6-at-sim-lim-square-0
    , @Sam J.
    This is a very good comment. Very, very good and quite right. In order to fight the situation we're in a certain amount of pigheadedness is needed. I no longer give a damn about individualism or fairness until we can get a country to ourselves. Until then I care about my people first.

    I love how you've constrained a vast amount of critical thought into such a small space.

    , @Rdm
    Your view on Chinese is partially true and others are diametrically opposite.

    Don't lump Chinese in South East Asia and Chinese from mainland together.

    Chinese in SEA (Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, ....) have different manners albeit follow the traditional Chinese value, i.e., respect elderly, work ethics, etc etc etc.

    What seems to be different then?

    Chinese in SEA are more open with their outlook and views. Chinese from mainland are still clannish and stick to their mainland Chinese. They don't stick with Chinese from SEA. You won't find two Chinese from mainland and HongKong together. The only time you'd see them together is one migrated to HongKong or Singapore in their late stage, and then still stick with their mainland Chinese. That's when you think all Chinese stick. Not at all.

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  33. @Anon
    As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I think another key difference is Chinese in SE Asia didn't have much competition. With the exception of Vietnamese who got some intelligence, Chinese could easily out-compete others in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, and etc. If you've seen in ACT OF KILLING, it's obvious that Indonesians are a bunch of moronic dodos. A Chinese kid in college from Indonesia told me what morons they are. A Indonesian maid had lots of kids. One went missing for a month and she realized the kid had been missing ONLY WHEN the kid reappeared again.

    Chinese don't need to mock and belittle the locals since the locals do a good job of making a mockery of themselves all on their own.
    Also, you can't use the cult of guilt on a people so moronic. Guilt requires some degree of conscience and ethics, and it's just not there with the brown locals of SE Asia. Just look at the morons of ACT OF KILLING.

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.

    I don’t know if mock is the right word – they mostly just don’t see each other as an ingroup and thus have no great reason to like each other*. A Malaysian or Indo-Chinese has as much to do with a Mainland Chinese as an Australian as to do with an Englishman(and probably a bit less so): same ethnicity, similar if modified culture, and often the same language, but with very different attitudes on values of life. There’s always something to claim locally as superior after all, whether it is cinema(Hong Kong), order/civility(Singapore), democracy(Taiwan), or even having a “more laid-back outlook on life”(SEA Chinese diaspora).

    I think the Jewish have a culture to be more tightly affiliated as an ingroup and frequently have a sense of outside oppresssion as an unifying myth. Indeed, anti-Chinese sentiment tends to be the main source of Chinese unity as well – less effective because often the population will perceive themselves as something other than “Chinese”(Singaporean, Malaysian, etc) .

    In Chinese, this is called being like “沙” and is often mourned: basically being like individual granules of sand that do not actually help each other. Since this has been going on at least a thousand years, it probably isn’t to change.

    *Some, of course, try to signal hard and seek acceptable by actively hating themselves: Gordan Chang being the most prominent example, but there are plenty of this in less prominent people. The sense of self-hate, the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape is a palpable feeling those individuals exhibit.

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    Very interesting, thank you. Would you say competitiveness is a common trait among all the groups?

    And why do you think there is "the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape"?
    , @The Wobbly Guy
    像一盘散沙

    "Xiang4 Yi4 Pan2 San4 Sha1"

    Maybe because there's always a lot of us pulling in different directions. Then it takes some crisis to bring us back together. Shades of 分久必合,合久必分.
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  34. @mp
    I can’t take a vacation. If I’m not here, my employees may pocket some of the receipts...

    So yesterday I went to purchase electrostatic air filter inserts from a local A/C installer. Not the kind you can find at Lowes, or Home Depot. The only employee present was warehouse guy. The owner was out doing an install. I was told they don't generally do over the counter retail. However, he added that for a twenty he'd get me a contractor's roll out of the back warehouse.

    I pulled out my card, he hesitated, and replied, "Gots to be cash for me to do the deal." I shrugged, handed over a Jackson, and he handed me the filters. No tax, no receipt, no nothing. My guess is that when Bossman got back, no mention was made of the deal, while on the way home, after work, warehouse guy was able to buy that case of Bud he hitherto would not have been able to.

    Soon, Bossman will ask warehouse guy, "Don't we have a roll of filter packs somewhere?" At which time warehouse guy will respond, "I put it on the truck a couple of weeks ago."

    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.

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    How does that make me a criminal? Are you serious? All I did was pay for a product. Just speculation on my part how it went down. If any crime was committed, it was not on my end. For all I know, the guy filled out all the necessary forms after I left. For all I know, warehouse guy was the owner's partner. I don't run their business for them. I do know that that's the cash economy for you. It's why government wants to do away with it.
    , @jacques sheete

    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.
     
    The same can be claimed, with validity, for anyone who votes or pays taxes willingly.

    Also anyone, including military, who works for a bureaucracy or some corporation that gets any form of bailout, subsidy or preferential treatment from the government is in a similar boat.

    Enjoy!

    Here's one of endless examples of the point being made.

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

     

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  35. @Anonymous
    No insurance scams, public-private ripoffs, pay-day lenders, hand bag slaves or Howard Stern? Here's socialism:

    “That’s because of the money that’s being sent back by people like me. You must know your roots. If not for Vinh Chau, I wouldn’t be here. Although we’re no longer home, we stay in touch. If we hear, for example, that the temple needs to be fixed, we all chip in.”

    It’s voluntary. That’s not socialism as the word is used.

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    lolz, prompted libertarian. How should the word socialism be used?
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  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Using your criteria, then it could be said that white people have no conscience or ethics either, as well demonstrated by the mass slaughter of millions of Poles, Jews and others, as well as massacres of numerous Chinese when whites envied their hard work and prosperity. As far as Vietnam, the brown heads could certain not look to white "role models" for guidance. Said "role models" were busy bombing on a scale that was more than tonnages of WW2, and that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. In fact official US documents (See Nick Turse's books) show American government officials in some areas encouraging the mass destruction of hamlets and villages in order to generate more refugees who could then be "regrouped" to the "winning" side.

    There’s that American-Vietnam War dog whistle! Just can’t resist can we?

    The CIA controlled the anti-war movement then and still does. Rather then quote Tom’s Dispatch like a hung up evangelical getting high from his stash ask yourself why the New Jack Times published the Pentagon Papers? All the war secrets right out there in view? Why what will you do with the information you’ve been given? Get down and boogie probably, which today means floating the hours away on social survelliance media.

    By the end of another era you and your generation will be on the bandwagon like the 50 somethings before you who finally decided Kissinger (or any other celebrity) really did what was best for the country. It’s easier this way – trust ‘em.

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    • Replies: @Malla
    The Counter culture hippie movement was a CIA Psy Op

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYya5pTZeM

    Strangely many rock and roll stars like children of military men. A total CIA psy op to change American society and introduce drugs into the society.
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  37. Malla says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    "Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China. Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel? "
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    This is correct there are differences, but there are also several similarities. FOr example the Chinese have often been considered to be agents of a foreign power (China), and to be clannish, cheating and gouging and exploiting the local people- just like the Jew. Like the Jew, the Chinese have often been attacked physically - in Malaysia, in Indonesia, and in Vietnam - for their perceived ties to a foreign hegemon, or due to their affluence. In the US West, white mobs killed scores of Chinese whose hard work and acumen they resented, and it was said the hapless victims did not have "a CHinaman's chance."

    Like the Jew the Chinese have exercised economic power to punish their enemies, or buy them off. This happened in South Vietnam.

    In the 1950s the Chinese almost shut down SVN's economy. when SVN ruler Ngo Dinh Diem turned up the heat on people he alleged had "dual loyalties." He pushed measures requiring that all Chinese become Vietnamese citizens, barring them from some occupations, and demanded that the Viet language be taught in Chinese schools. A final decree ordered the dissolution of all 5 Chinese bangs, or regional groups that governed internal Chinese affairs- again perceived as a sort of potential fifth column enabling the Chinese to plot and consolidate power.

    Like the Jew the Chinese dominated key slices of the economy, and when threatened, the Chinese vigorously protested, and Taiwan weighed in to protest persecution of its overseas citizens. The Chinese retaliated also by withdrawing much of their money from banks causing a collapse in the local currency. The Chinese also hit the distribution system which they dominated bringing many commercial transactions to a standstill, and causing severe economic hardship. The US govt pressured both sides to come to an agreement and Diem was forced to eventually ease up on his persecution.

    Like the Jew, the Chinese also used widespread bribery, and behind the scenes lobbying to look after their interests. Unlke the JEw however who is visible in politics in the US, the CHinese prefer to keep a low public profile while they manipulate matters from behind the scenes. When the communist took over, Chinese luck ran out, as tens of thousands of Chinese "boat people" again suspected of dual loyalties were forced out- around a quarter of a million of them.

    And is Israel being this big existential threat to the US? No doubt Israeli boosters will say Israel or Jews are no worse than the Chinese or China, or Russia, or America in protecting their own interests. And they will say Israel has, while serving itself, also served Western interests in the region as well- as the Suez campaign of 1956 demonstrates, as well as various collaborations on the "War on Terror." In domestic matters, the "neocon Jews" have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.

    One curiosity- if Trump is supposed to be this great redemptive figure- making America great again, why does he seem so cosy with Israel, that threatening stronghold of Jewry? Why isn't the great redeemer distancing himself from Israel so that America might breathe free?

    His daughter it is true is married to a very affluent Jew which raises questions as to who is tied in with who, and whether elite inbreeding and power, trumps US interests. Are the mystical hopes placed on Trump for redemption in some conservative quarters, just another shrewd manipulated control engineered by those tricky Jewz? Is today's right itself being "played" by the manipulators of dual loyalties?

    In domestic matters, the “neocon Jews” have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.

    Some of these neocon Jews were Trotskyites once. They support what is good for Israel. In-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism to attack the left as many in the left are very pro Palestinian.

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    Come to think of it, there is not much difference in between Trotskyites and Neo Cons.
    The trotsyites wanted to spread 'revolution' throughout the world.
    The neo-cons want to spread 'democracy' throughout the world. The change was not that hard. The same games are being played but with different uniforms.
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  38. With wisdom, Linh Dinh wrote: “Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state… Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.”

    Hi Linh,

    My older son underwent the usual Israeli indoctrination Process, toured the D.C. Holocaust Museum during a High Shool sponsored class trip, and upon his having turned 25 & well indoctrinated, he labeled me an “Anti-Semite.” Passionate, he fumed, “C’mon, father, I saw lampshades made with Jewish flesh!”

    Thanks for another meaningful and down-to-earth article, and below is linked a priceless “Rabbi Mintz” video who similar to you, talks with “no guile.”

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    • Replies: @Malla
    This is an even better video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfsf6go7MVM&bpctr=1518021902

    Above: Talmudic Jews say 'Non Jews Are Beasts to Serve Us as Slaves'

    But are Jews really the chosen people? Maybe not.
    Check out the video below

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzkC1NnMIo

    , @Anonymous
    The Holocaust Museum was built for a number of reasons. One of them was undoubtedly to keep anti-semitism alive although you'll never read that in the news. How could that be? Isn't that anti-semitic?

    If you look closer in SW DC you'll see the museum really is a fortress. Off the mall, off of Independence Avenue really. Curious. After 9/11 things got even more obvious, surely the Holocaust Museuem might be next, we'll need more jersey barriers, contractors and guards.

    Sophisticated survelliance, facial recognition, metal detectors, undercover guards and defense contractors at a museum? Why sure!

    Authority tells us a wayward patsy might show up (again or at anytime) all angry so the police state can put on a show. All the actors get training especially the patsies. The museum isn't anyone's enemy per se, but sustain that cognitive dissonance like a good patriot.

    You may need a security clearance at some point to go here, no joke, but today's phones will do. This isn't the steams engines display at the American History Museum where you could walk by the cool black guy falling asleep at the security desk. Those days are long gone and I'm glad some us jews realize it. I wonder how the museums are in Vietnam?

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  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What’s the rent on a two bedroom in Saigon? Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you’re a broke ass?

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    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Ho-Chi-Minh-City?displayCurrency=USD

    Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 590.74 $ 383.46-880.72
    Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 287.62 $ 176.14-440.36
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,167.29 $ 800.15-1,761.44
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 667.13 $ 352.29-968.79

    numbeo.com is a good website for cost of living in various world cities
    , @Truth

    Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you’re a broke ass?
     
    Translation:

    Translation: will my WhiteAmericanness be enough for broads half my age to fuck me for free, or at the most, food and $2 beers?

    , @SomeGuy
    Why anyone would want to interact with frigid primitive third world women that have cash registers for souls is beyond me...
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  40. mp says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.

    How does that make me a criminal? Are you serious? All I did was pay for a product. Just speculation on my part how it went down. If any crime was committed, it was not on my end. For all I know, the guy filled out all the necessary forms after I left. For all I know, warehouse guy was the owner’s partner. I don’t run their business for them. I do know that that’s the cash economy for you. It’s why government wants to do away with it.

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    Sorry but since you knew what he was up to, you're part of the crime. It's called buying backdoor. He stole, you knowingly bought
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  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    It’s voluntary. That’s not socialism as the word is used.

    lolz, prompted libertarian. How should the word socialism be used?

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  42. Malla says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    With wisdom, Linh Dinh wrote: "Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state... Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China."

    Hi Linh,

    My older son underwent the usual Israeli indoctrination Process, toured the D.C. Holocaust Museum during a High Shool sponsored class trip, and upon his having turned 25 & well indoctrinated, he labeled me an "Anti-Semite." Passionate, he fumed, "C'mon, father, I saw lampshades made with Jewish flesh!"

    Thanks for another meaningful and down-to-earth article, and below is linked a priceless "Rabbi Mintz" video who similar to you, talks with "no guile."

    https://youtu.be/gtCF2oSKYio

    This is an even better video

    Above: Talmudic Jews say ‘Non Jews Are Beasts to Serve Us as Slaves’

    But are Jews really the chosen people? Maybe not.
    Check out the video below

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  43. Malla says:
    @Anonymous
    There's that American-Vietnam War dog whistle! Just can't resist can we?

    The CIA controlled the anti-war movement then and still does. Rather then quote Tom's Dispatch like a hung up evangelical getting high from his stash ask yourself why the New Jack Times published the Pentagon Papers? All the war secrets right out there in view? Why what will you do with the information you've been given? Get down and boogie probably, which today means floating the hours away on social survelliance media.

    By the end of another era you and your generation will be on the bandwagon like the 50 somethings before you who finally decided Kissinger (or any other celebrity) really did what was best for the country. It's easier this way - trust 'em.

    The Counter culture hippie movement was a CIA Psy Op

    Strangely many rock and roll stars like children of military men. A total CIA psy op to change American society and introduce drugs into the society.

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    Well, Russian defector and dissident Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB agent, claimed that 85% of the KGB budget was spent to culturally and morally undermine the west. When he defected, he insisted on settling in Canada because he did "not trust the CIA in the US." Makes one wonder if he knew even more than he publically disclosed, and that the CIA was infiltrated by or otherwise in cahoots with the KGB to destroy US and Western society.
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  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think it's because Chinese are people with a home, whereas Jews are not. Overseas Chinese usually arrived because China was particularly bad at the time, and they're quite open to returning if the tides change.

    A good reason to support Israel!

    And why is it that the Chinese have a home and are able to hold onto it while Jews are not?

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  45. Here is a good read for those who want to get a sense of the affinity for the ancestral homeland for the overseas Chinese in SEA rather than from some ABC here.

    http://m.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2121123/my-mother-and-mao-singapore-taxes-and-rise-hong-kong-property

    One should also read about the fund raising trips of Sun Yetsen in this regard.

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    Oh please, spare me, you know nothing of my background or the fact that I quite regularly travel most of Asia. You believe that there are secret "Daoist kingmakers" who coordinate three thousand year old plans. This is literal crackpottery.

    I'm not saying that there aren't "patriots," and I've specifically said that anti-Chinese sentiment serves as an unifying sentiment. Indeed, that's specifically highlighted in the memoir you linked:


    I saw great potential in China, but I can’t claim to have had a crystal ball on the momentous changes that would follow the death of Mao Zedong. Luckily or unluckily, I was born Chinese, and I have always remained very proud of being Chinese. The more I heard people call China backward, the more I felt we must show the rest of the world, some day, that China can be advanced.
     
    But you hardly need to take from me that any large-scale loyalty to the motherland is highly slanted to the nominal, at best: consider Lee Kuan Yew himself in 2009 on Charlie Rose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8GwmsLXOx8&t=22m30s

    SCMP, of course, wants to try to promote a notion of pan-Chinese support but it is not exactly an unbiased actor. This is important for the Party, which needs to get all of the support and talent that it can get worldwide. Thus the ideological slant that it seeks to present.
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  46. neutral says:

    How different are the Chinese and Vietnamese in terms of looks? Could somebody from Vietnam pass as Chinese without anyone giving it a second thought, and the same vice versa? What are the attitudes towards miscegenation, what would the typical reaction be to having ones Vietnamese daughter marry a Chinese man compared to say marrying a black? Finally are there any racial slurs/stereotypes that they have towards each other, that one is not supposed to say in polite conversation or online articles.

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    A good analogy would be a comparison between Spaniards and Latin Americans. Many Latin Americans could pass by without comment in Spain and vice versa but even more would be readily identifiable as non Spanish because they are obviously mixed.

    The Vietnamese, that is the Kinh, are actually a mestizo race formed in the last two thousand years. Their ancestry is primarily Thai, but with a significant amount of Chinese ancestry from both a millennium of imperial rule and continuous Chinese migration. How they ended up speaking an Austro-Asiatic language no one is certain on. Their ancestry is quite similar to the Han Chinese of the far south such as Guangdong and Guangxi except the admixture ratios are different. Whereas the neighboring Chinese might be roughly 90-10 Northern Chinese and native Thai, the Vietnamese would be the inverse.

    In another parallel with the mestizos of Latin America, the proportion of Chinese ancestry rises with socio-economic status and the higher up you go the greater percentage of likely Chinese ancestry you'll find. The Vietnamese rage against the perfidious Chinese much like the South Americans resent the Gabacho and the Gringo. Look a little closer at their elites ancestry, say Jorge Castaneda or Vincente Fox (aka Mr. Fuchs) and the irony dawns on you that the people most likely to be angry have ancestry that is primarily from those they resent.
    , @nebulafox
    The Chinese are generally paler skinned and fuller figured (not fat or anything, just that ethnic Kinh-native Vietnamese-tend to be very skinny and lithe), from what I've noticed.
    , @An OldGrunt
    When I was going on R&R from Tan Son Nhut airport in 1969, I had lunch in a local restaurant. I asked the waitress if she was Vietnamese, and she took it as an insult. She was Chinese, Thank You! Out where I had been I had seen very few live Vietnamese, so I could not draw any conclusions from that on nationality. She may have been atypical in her response, but I doubt it.
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  47. republic says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the rent on a two bedroom in Saigon? Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you're a broke ass?

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Ho-Chi-Minh-City?displayCurrency=USD

    Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 590.74 $ 383.46-880.72
    Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 287.62 $ 176.14-440.36
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,167.29 $ 800.15-1,761.44
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 667.13 $ 352.29-968.79

    numbeo.com is a good website for cost of living in various world cities

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  48. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the rent on a two bedroom in Saigon? Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you're a broke ass?

    Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you’re a broke ass?

    Translation:

    Translation: will my WhiteAmericanness be enough for broads half my age to fuck me for free, or at the most, food and $2 beers?

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    lolz. Real women punch someone in the mouth for such behavior. In America, prostitutes sometimes wait 20 years and then scream rape.
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  49. Anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.
     

    I don't know if mock is the right word - they mostly just don't see each other as an ingroup and thus have no great reason to like each other*. A Malaysian or Indo-Chinese has as much to do with a Mainland Chinese as an Australian as to do with an Englishman(and probably a bit less so): same ethnicity, similar if modified culture, and often the same language, but with very different attitudes on values of life. There's always something to claim locally as superior after all, whether it is cinema(Hong Kong), order/civility(Singapore), democracy(Taiwan), or even having a "more laid-back outlook on life"(SEA Chinese diaspora).

    I think the Jewish have a culture to be more tightly affiliated as an ingroup and frequently have a sense of outside oppresssion as an unifying myth. Indeed, anti-Chinese sentiment tends to be the main source of Chinese unity as well - less effective because often the population will perceive themselves as something other than "Chinese"(Singaporean, Malaysian, etc) .

    In Chinese, this is called being like "沙" and is often mourned: basically being like individual granules of sand that do not actually help each other. Since this has been going on at least a thousand years, it probably isn't to change.

    *Some, of course, try to signal hard and seek acceptable by actively hating themselves: Gordan Chang being the most prominent example, but there are plenty of this in less prominent people. The sense of self-hate, the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape is a palpable feeling those individuals exhibit.

    Very interesting, thank you. Would you say competitiveness is a common trait among all the groups?

    And why do you think there is “the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape”?

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    Fairly so, I think. There are exceptions but its huge part of the culture these days, even when disguised. You'll know it when your dad begins to comment repeatedly: "You know, Mr. Cheng's son is only 27 and he's already making $90, 000 and you are almost thirty too..." and lets the silence speak the rest.

    As for the latter...

    The desire to "fit in" can be more difficult for some than most. While I largely despise Gordon Chang and his story is an extreme example, I think that self-hating attitude(which he extends to all of China, and is honestly a profitable gig) is one way to try to affirm what to him, may be a failing identity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwt2DGshpw

    , @Rdm
    That's very simple. The desire, innate or indoctrinated, to escape to anything but Chinese is very common among Chinese women.

    That's why you see many Chinese women with Western men.

    Western men can be bald, lanky, socially awkward, ultra racists, white supremacist, but Chinese women (all Asian women) will stick to those losers like a moth to a flame.

    1. Richard Spencer
    2. Derb

    If you google it, all White supremacists once had or still have Asian women as their partners. This works for both genders.

    White supremacist denigrate anything but Whites, but can't get White women.
    Asian women denigrate anything Chinese, but can't manage to get rid of their DNA.

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  50. @RadicalCenter
    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.

    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.

    The same can be claimed, with validity, for anyone who votes or pays taxes willingly.

    Also anyone, including military, who works for a bureaucracy or some corporation that gets any form of bailout, subsidy or preferential treatment from the government is in a similar boat.

    Enjoy!

    Here’s one of endless examples of the point being made.

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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    I'm with you, just saying that the government's theft and wrongdoing don't justify ours individually.
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  51. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Here, the main historical
    lesson is that China is a
    constant threat to encroach
    upon Vietnam, that Vietnam
    may be swallowed up
    entirely bsna. Can you
    imagine American kids being
    taught that their nation’s
    biggest menace is not Putin,
    Islamic patsies or Mexican
    busboys, but the
    machinations of Israel?

    You have eaten too much US UK France Vietcon propaganda sewage. Unz is not for you. Its strange so many Vietnamese even intellectuals like you, and most of my Vietnamese friends are so willing to fall into this Western and Vietcon brainwashing machine. They forgotten who had created the War, instigated the unnecessary civil wars, bombed their country with napalm, orange chemical, massacre their people brutally, rape their women, colonized their country…until China and Soviet went in to help.

    Real historical fact is Vietnamese invade and slaughter Cambodian, Hmog,.threaten to invade whole Asean,…to swallow all up. Too bad, Deng had kicked Vietcon ass real hard to stop its bloated ego and expansionary ambition.

    Ironically, almost all intellectual and good looking viets are actually fair skin chinese ethics yet anti China because of Vietcon propaganda. Real ethic Vietnamese are actually dark skin, small frame like Japan’s Ainu.

    If China will to swallow up Vietnam, it will has another 100Mil poor peasants to feed and uplift from poverty, an utter corrupted Vietcon government to clean up. They have enough own people and problems to handle, vast empty lands to develop, another shit hole is the last thing it wants.

    Its just strange that so many intellectuals are still falling for all these anti China, Russia, NKorea, Iran propaganda and participating in it, in whole Asean, Asia, my country too…even they themselves actually suffered much under the West imperialism colonist aggression historically up till now, while benefiting much from China trade currently. For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around, especially Russia, Japan, India(still doing) and Vietnam(still illegally taking China’s SCS islands, occupying the most islands).

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    Anti-Chinese animus from Vietnam is inevitable.

    Consider that Mexico is also largely dominated by a basically Caucasian elite, relies heavily on the US for its living standard, and sends huge quantities of illegal aliens to earn money in the US but highly, highly despises America(as a nation, though not necessarily not the people).

    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).

    , @Malla

    For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around
     
    These Chinese nationalists sound a lot like Indian nationalists. That is what all people in India say, just replace China with India in the above sentence.
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  52. Joe Wong says:
    @Anon
    After his dad abandoned the family, Sen’s mom became a whore, so he and his sister grew up desperate. Now, he’s a well-traveled yoga teacher, and his sister is married to a rich Jewish guy nearly twice her age in California. They roam the world to scuba dive.

    ROTFL. What a world.

    China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.

    Linh Dinh was wrong, “Vietnam” was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.

    BTW, while the educated Linh Dinh in Vietnam he should mobilize the Vietnamese to get rid of the French imposed ugly curly European script and restore their ancestor writing script back as their national writing script. The French imposed curly script reminds people the Vietnamese is still servile to their ex-White master, and are deeply mentally colonized by the White like the Taiwanese who are deeply mentally colonized by the unrepentant war criminal Japanese.

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    Linh Dinh should know the current Vietnamese history was fabricated by the French and American for the purpose to sever the thousands of years of culture ties between Chinese and Vietnamese, so they can steal and colonized Indo-China including Vietnam forever.

    Vietnamese needs to get rid of their French imposed writing script and return to the writing script used their ancestors used, so they can read the real history of Vietnam instead of the toxic animosity filled French and American fabricated modern Vietnam history.
    , @Anon

    Linh Dinh was wrong, “Vietnam” was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.
     
    This is something new, Vietnam is part of China. Facts pls.

    China regards all southern areas as uncivilized South Barbarians. Its not interested at all these lands, even when Zhenhe found Australia and many new lands well before Western Explorer uses his maps to explore.
    , @Miltiades
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam

    Either you are incorrect about Vietnamese history or Wikipedia is.
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  53. @ThatDamnGood
    Here is a good read for those who want to get a sense of the affinity for the ancestral homeland for the overseas Chinese in SEA rather than from some ABC here.

    http://m.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2121123/my-mother-and-mao-singapore-taxes-and-rise-hong-kong-property

    One should also read about the fund raising trips of Sun Yetsen in this regard.

    Oh please, spare me, you know nothing of my background or the fact that I quite regularly travel most of Asia. You believe that there are secret “Daoist kingmakers” who coordinate three thousand year old plans. This is literal crackpottery.

    I’m not saying that there aren’t “patriots,” and I’ve specifically said that anti-Chinese sentiment serves as an unifying sentiment. Indeed, that’s specifically highlighted in the memoir you linked:

    I saw great potential in China, but I can’t claim to have had a crystal ball on the momentous changes that would follow the death of Mao Zedong. Luckily or unluckily, I was born Chinese, and I have always remained very proud of being Chinese. The more I heard people call China backward, the more I felt we must show the rest of the world, some day, that China can be advanced.

    But you hardly need to take from me that any large-scale loyalty to the motherland is highly slanted to the nominal, at best: consider Lee Kuan Yew himself in 2009 on Charlie Rose:

    SCMP, of course, wants to try to promote a notion of pan-Chinese support but it is not exactly an unbiased actor. This is important for the Party, which needs to get all of the support and talent that it can get worldwide. Thus the ideological slant that it seeks to present.

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  54. wayfarer says:

    Linh your fortune cookie says,

    ” Don’t worry about money. The best things in life are free!”

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  55. @jacques sheete

    Not a good idea to admit to taking part in a crime, because that’s what you did. Knowingly.
     
    The same can be claimed, with validity, for anyone who votes or pays taxes willingly.

    Also anyone, including military, who works for a bureaucracy or some corporation that gets any form of bailout, subsidy or preferential treatment from the government is in a similar boat.

    Enjoy!

    Here's one of endless examples of the point being made.

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

     

    I’m with you, just saying that the government’s theft and wrongdoing don’t justify ours individually.

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  56. Joe Wong says:
    @Joe Wong

    China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.
     
    Linh Dinh was wrong, "Vietnam" was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.

    BTW, while the educated Linh Dinh in Vietnam he should mobilize the Vietnamese to get rid of the French imposed ugly curly European script and restore their ancestor writing script back as their national writing script. The French imposed curly script reminds people the Vietnamese is still servile to their ex-White master, and are deeply mentally colonized by the White like the Taiwanese who are deeply mentally colonized by the unrepentant war criminal Japanese.

    Linh Dinh should know the current Vietnamese history was fabricated by the French and American for the purpose to sever the thousands of years of culture ties between Chinese and Vietnamese, so they can steal and colonized Indo-China including Vietnam forever.

    Vietnamese needs to get rid of their French imposed writing script and return to the writing script used their ancestors used, so they can read the real history of Vietnam instead of the toxic animosity filled French and American fabricated modern Vietnam history.

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    • Replies: @neutral
    Oh please, this is just another variation of blaming all racial tensions on white people. One does not have to know anything about Vietnam to know that different people sharing borders end up having conflict on occasion. I do know however that China invaded Vietnam, not that long ago.
    , @republic
    A Jesuit priest of Jewish origin, Alexandre de Rhodes help create the Vietnamese alphabet in the 17th century.
    , @Third world nationalist
    The war between Chinese and the Vietnamese started long before white people showed up. The relationship is conquest, followed by rebellion. I would say that vietnam together with korea and Japan are part of the confucian civillisation, but not a part of China.
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  57. @Anon
    Very interesting, thank you. Would you say competitiveness is a common trait among all the groups?

    And why do you think there is "the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape"?

    Fairly so, I think. There are exceptions but its huge part of the culture these days, even when disguised. You’ll know it when your dad begins to comment repeatedly: “You know, Mr. Cheng’s son is only 27 and he’s already making $90, 000 and you are almost thirty too…” and lets the silence speak the rest.

    As for the latter…

    The desire to “fit in” can be more difficult for some than most. While I largely despise Gordon Chang and his story is an extreme example, I think that self-hating attitude(which he extends to all of China, and is honestly a profitable gig) is one way to try to affirm what to him, may be a failing identity.

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    Thank you. I'm not happy to say that a lot of my ideas about Chinese probably come from "Noble House" and "Tai Pan" books. The Chang fellow sounds almost inmature, even if he's made a killing. (I'm a different Anon from the one you originally answered to, sorry about that.)
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  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    With wisdom, Linh Dinh wrote: "Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state... Here, the main historical lesson is that China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China."

    Hi Linh,

    My older son underwent the usual Israeli indoctrination Process, toured the D.C. Holocaust Museum during a High Shool sponsored class trip, and upon his having turned 25 & well indoctrinated, he labeled me an "Anti-Semite." Passionate, he fumed, "C'mon, father, I saw lampshades made with Jewish flesh!"

    Thanks for another meaningful and down-to-earth article, and below is linked a priceless "Rabbi Mintz" video who similar to you, talks with "no guile."

    https://youtu.be/gtCF2oSKYio

    The Holocaust Museum was built for a number of reasons. One of them was undoubtedly to keep anti-semitism alive although you’ll never read that in the news. How could that be? Isn’t that anti-semitic?

    If you look closer in SW DC you’ll see the museum really is a fortress. Off the mall, off of Independence Avenue really. Curious. After 9/11 things got even more obvious, surely the Holocaust Museuem might be next, we’ll need more jersey barriers, contractors and guards.

    Sophisticated survelliance, facial recognition, metal detectors, undercover guards and defense contractors at a museum? Why sure!

    Authority tells us a wayward patsy might show up (again or at anytime) all angry so the police state can put on a show. All the actors get training especially the patsies. The museum isn’t anyone’s enemy per se, but sustain that cognitive dissonance like a good patriot.

    You may need a security clearance at some point to go here, no joke, but today’s phones will do. This isn’t the steams engines display at the American History Museum where you could walk by the cool black guy falling asleep at the security desk. Those days are long gone and I’m glad some us jews realize it. I wonder how the museums are in Vietnam?

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    To paraphrase an award winning Hollywood film, this is no country for goyim of goodwill.

    Otherwise, Anonymous, I do nog enjoy exchanging thought with the anonymous. So this is it, and in the words of Edward Murrow, "good night and good luck."
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  59. @Anon

    Here, the main historical
    lesson is that China is a
    constant threat to encroach
    upon Vietnam, that Vietnam
    may be swallowed up
    entirely bsna. Can you
    imagine American kids being
    taught that their nation’s
    biggest menace is not Putin,
    Islamic patsies or Mexican
    busboys, but the
    machinations of Israel?
     
    You have eaten too much US UK France Vietcon propaganda sewage. Unz is not for you. Its strange so many Vietnamese even intellectuals like you, and most of my Vietnamese friends are so willing to fall into this Western and Vietcon brainwashing machine. They forgotten who had created the War, instigated the unnecessary civil wars, bombed their country with napalm, orange chemical, massacre their people brutally, rape their women, colonized their country...until China and Soviet went in to help.

    Real historical fact is Vietnamese invade and slaughter Cambodian, Hmog,.threaten to invade whole Asean,...to swallow all up. Too bad, Deng had kicked Vietcon ass real hard to stop its bloated ego and expansionary ambition.

    Ironically, almost all intellectual and good looking viets are actually fair skin chinese ethics yet anti China because of Vietcon propaganda. Real ethic Vietnamese are actually dark skin, small frame like Japan's Ainu.


    If China will to swallow up Vietnam, it will has another 100Mil poor peasants to feed and uplift from poverty, an utter corrupted Vietcon government to clean up. They have enough own people and problems to handle, vast empty lands to develop, another shit hole is the last thing it wants.

    Its just strange that so many intellectuals are still falling for all these anti China, Russia, NKorea, Iran propaganda and participating in it, in whole Asean, Asia, my country too...even they themselves actually suffered much under the West imperialism colonist aggression historically up till now, while benefiting much from China trade currently. For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around, especially Russia, Japan, India(still doing) and Vietnam(still illegally taking China's SCS islands, occupying the most islands).

    Anti-Chinese animus from Vietnam is inevitable.

    Consider that Mexico is also largely dominated by a basically Caucasian elite, relies heavily on the US for its living standard, and sends huge quantities of illegal aliens to earn money in the US but highly, highly despises America(as a nation, though not necessarily not the people).

    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).

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    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).
     
    I beg to differ on that. Many Vietnamese women dream to marry to US/ Singapore or work as illegal prostitute(sorry no offence), their men dream to study or work there no matter what job, yet they don't despise any of these nations. They even admire Singapore chinese, but Almost all Vietnamese I come across hate China deeply regarding SCS and border war, tho not against China people.

    i would said mega anti China propaganda by US UK and Vietcon(after punished by Deng) are one main factor brainwashing their nations to harbour outsized deep enmity. Consider how much war suffering and sanction US & France had brought to them vs China, yet they admired them like gods without tiny bad memory. And their Vietcon gov knew SCS and border war historical facts very well, Viet is solely at fault and lying. But they chose to go India way to distort history.

    Similarly in Myanmar under West destructive sanction, almost all Burmese esp intellectual i met hate China blindly, complaining how China bully and grabed all their resources, sell them junks, and only West can defend them. When question how China did that, they couldn't justify single point, because they heard from BBC, America Voice and Sweden short wave radio broadcasting, and USAid sponsored msm.

    Take an absurb example, one smart Medical Dr is whining how evil China wanted to build a mega billions dollars hydropower dam for Myanmar and took all its electricity for next 10yrs before giving it free, and sending all dredge soil back because its all filled with gold. When i qn who will pay $5B, he said Myanmar can't afford. Then how about asking their dear Americans to build for free, he said no one will. So what's wrong with such aids project to recover partial cost from electricity generated? Still these fools violently protest and force their gov to scrap the project they badly need. Now they can enjoy dredging river filled with "gold" in darkness told by the West fairy tale.

    But recent Western make Rohingya crisis conspiracy had Myanmar people awaken to what these evils up to. So they are realizing its China that protect them in last 50yrs from US war aggression.
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  60. @neutral
    How different are the Chinese and Vietnamese in terms of looks? Could somebody from Vietnam pass as Chinese without anyone giving it a second thought, and the same vice versa? What are the attitudes towards miscegenation, what would the typical reaction be to having ones Vietnamese daughter marry a Chinese man compared to say marrying a black? Finally are there any racial slurs/stereotypes that they have towards each other, that one is not supposed to say in polite conversation or online articles.

    A good analogy would be a comparison between Spaniards and Latin Americans. Many Latin Americans could pass by without comment in Spain and vice versa but even more would be readily identifiable as non Spanish because they are obviously mixed.

    The Vietnamese, that is the Kinh, are actually a mestizo race formed in the last two thousand years. Their ancestry is primarily Thai, but with a significant amount of Chinese ancestry from both a millennium of imperial rule and continuous Chinese migration. How they ended up speaking an Austro-Asiatic language no one is certain on. Their ancestry is quite similar to the Han Chinese of the far south such as Guangdong and Guangxi except the admixture ratios are different. Whereas the neighboring Chinese might be roughly 90-10 Northern Chinese and native Thai, the Vietnamese would be the inverse.

    In another parallel with the mestizos of Latin America, the proportion of Chinese ancestry rises with socio-economic status and the higher up you go the greater percentage of likely Chinese ancestry you’ll find. The Vietnamese rage against the perfidious Chinese much like the South Americans resent the Gabacho and the Gringo. Look a little closer at their elites ancestry, say Jorge Castaneda or Vincente Fox (aka Mr. Fuchs) and the irony dawns on you that the people most likely to be angry have ancestry that is primarily from those they resent.

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    I must be honest, I cannot tell the difference, that image of the people at a Restaurant in Saigon, I don't know if those are supposed to be Chinese or Vietnamese people.

    Also, as I already asked, are racial slurs common between the two, is miscegenation common or is it a big taboo?
    , @Hibernian
    "Vincente Fox (aka Mr. Fuchs)"

    Is he Irish and Jewish?
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  61. Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc…), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc…), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc…to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can’t juggernaut us, we’re like you, ha ha ha. That’s all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

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    see Yuri Slezkine: "Mercurials". It may be unrelated to Amy Chua.
    , @nebulafox
    It is an interesting parallel. There used to be German districts in Warsaw, St. Petersberg, Moscow, all over the old Russian Empire before the world wars, much like you see Chinatowns in Bangkok, Jakarta, Saigon, etc. The Thirty Year's War devastated Germany much like the Taiping Rebellion would China, leading to-on local standards-high quality human capital flowing in and not asking for much. For centuries, the slang word for "foreigner" in Russian and other Slavic languages was "German", such was the association, and the language of medicine, law, and other professional occupations was stereotypically German, as seen in Dostoevsky's novels. And much like Kuala Lumpur was founded as a Chinese tin mining village, cities like Tallinn and Prague were founded by Germans, albeit much, much earlier during the Ostiedlung-complete with Magdeburg Rights.

    That said, the Germans, while discriminated against initially for the same reasons the Chinese were among the smarter breed of Southeast Asian dictator ("Turn them loose to make money and science since we don't have a native business/technical class for now-as long as they remember their place and don't get too uppity"), also achieved a level of eventual power under the Tsars that the Chinese could never have dreamed of under the colonial powers. Thailand proved to be the major exception-the royal family is part Chinese. Which, of course, led most of them to side with the Whites in the Civil War, much like most Chinese sided with South Vietnam, leading the Communists to target both for ethnic cleansing.

    , @Anon
    Interesting info.

    The Germans power in technology and fighting spirit are still very much fear by the AngloAmericans till this day. That's why US refused to sign mutual non spying agreement with Germany even after been leaked about CIA tapping its ally Merkel phone.

    But the absurb moslem migrants policy and US manipulated German gov is destroying Germany.

    Chinese are too many to dislodge. China produce one Germany every 4yrs, 80Mil. And Chinese nature is to go anywhere if there is opportunity to improve life.
    , @The Seneca Effect
    The Mercurians thing was ridiculous. "As professional cultivators of people, Mercurians use words, concepts, money, emotions, and other intangible as tools of their trade." Oh.

    God, that book was so full of holes and contradictions (if also full of interesting tidbits). Slezkine didn't know what to do to separate Germans in the Russia Empire after slamming them domestically so he gave them the "Mercurian" label while implying that back in their homelands they were not Mercurian, just Apollonian. LOL. He failed to note that they were an utterly accomplished and successful people wherever they emigrated. Transylvania. Argentina. Australia. Venezuela. Canada. And Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, their homelands, as well.

    Chinese, like the Germans up to the post-war generations, are innately conservative, as one would expect of an agriculturally grounded people. Jews - and one can take this in a negative or positive sense, but the fact can't be denied - are a revolutionary people, an agitator people, wherever they end up. Jews are far more similar, when in galuth, to Hindus.
    , @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived "dual loyalties." It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous "Chinatowns" all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.


    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not "race" wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little "racial" difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering "racial" differences. And since when have Germans been "wiped off the mat?" This is even more laughable, unless you are equating "true Germans" with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.
    , @bandw
    Very interesting observation. The Germans are also a pragmatic people.
    , @Orwellian State
    Interesting comparisons between the Chinese and the Germans. To be sure they do have some similarities as you mentioned, especially with regards to their pragmatism. But there are also some major differences, for example:

    - the Chinese are known for their dishonesty, while the Germans are known for their honesty
    - Chinese societies are chaotic, dirty, loud, noisy, disorderly
    - German societies are clean, orderly, quiet, efficient
    - Germans are into precision, with great attention to details. Chinese are sloppy, and try to get away with whatever they can get away with
    - Germans are a lot more introverted than the Chinese. They make the Chinese look like Italians.

    I see a lot of parallels between the Germans and the Japanese.
    , @renfro
    Amy Chua is married to a Jew, Jed Rubenfeld.
    , @myself
    You know, I have lived in China, mostly in the birthplace of the Han racial identity - the Central Plain. This is the region, about the size of the combined American north-east and north-west Europe, which is north of the Yangtzi river. You know, Beijing etc.

    There, I met many other wai-guo-ren (broadly, "foreigners"). Americans, Russians, Scandinavians, Poles, Brits, Frenchmen, Germans, Italians, Scandinavians plus of course lots of Koreans and even some Japanese, as well as Israelis, Latin Americans - you get the gist.

    All these groups THOUGHT they saw some of their traits in the Han - anything from business pioneer ethos (said Americans), love of motherland (said by Russians), family orientation (remarked upon by Latin Americans), and so forth.

    Naturally, Koreans and Japanese have actual similarity to Han. That's too obvious.

    But indeed the most consistent remarks, at least as voiced by Whites, about broad similarity between themselves and the Han were expressed by . . . the Germans.

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  62. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Here, the main historical
    lesson is that China is a
    constant threat to encroach
    upon Vietnam, that Vietnam
    may be swallowed up
    entirely bsna. Can you
    imagine American kids being
    taught that their nation’s
    biggest menace is not Putin,
    Islamic patsies or Mexican
    busboys, but the
    machinations of Israel?
     
    You have eaten too much US UK France Vietcon propaganda sewage. Unz is not for you. Its strange so many Vietnamese even intellectuals like you, and most of my Vietnamese friends are so willing to fall into this Western and Vietcon brainwashing machine. They forgotten who had created the War, instigated the unnecessary civil wars, bombed their country with napalm, orange chemical, massacre their people brutally, rape their women, colonized their country...until China and Soviet went in to help.

    Real historical fact is Vietnamese invade and slaughter Cambodian, Hmog,.threaten to invade whole Asean,...to swallow all up. Too bad, Deng had kicked Vietcon ass real hard to stop its bloated ego and expansionary ambition.

    Ironically, almost all intellectual and good looking viets are actually fair skin chinese ethics yet anti China because of Vietcon propaganda. Real ethic Vietnamese are actually dark skin, small frame like Japan's Ainu.


    If China will to swallow up Vietnam, it will has another 100Mil poor peasants to feed and uplift from poverty, an utter corrupted Vietcon government to clean up. They have enough own people and problems to handle, vast empty lands to develop, another shit hole is the last thing it wants.

    Its just strange that so many intellectuals are still falling for all these anti China, Russia, NKorea, Iran propaganda and participating in it, in whole Asean, Asia, my country too...even they themselves actually suffered much under the West imperialism colonist aggression historically up till now, while benefiting much from China trade currently. For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around, especially Russia, Japan, India(still doing) and Vietnam(still illegally taking China's SCS islands, occupying the most islands).

    For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around

    These Chinese nationalists sound a lot like Indian nationalists. That is what all people in India say, just replace China with India in the above sentence.

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    Lol. Malla, you used to be very factual and i learn much from your comments about China and India. Now that im stating facts, how can i be Chinese nationalist when im from anti China country?

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.

    Instead of building infrastructure for its badly needed people, India chosen to waste so much on war machines and building roads for border wars, benefiting only few corrupted people and MIC.
    , @denk
    No No no !

    All those trustworthy people with gravitas, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Mccain,.......
    every murkkan ambassador to India, all came to this concensus....

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they'r made in heaven natural soul mates !

    I see trees of green, red roses too
    I see them bloom for me and you
    And I think to myself, what a wonderful world….
     
    ---Louis Armstrong

    murkkan ambassador to India.,

    'In an increasingly frightening and unstable world, there is one nation we know will stand firm and resolute in its commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law. Without the relentless, selfless efforts of the United States, humankind would plunge into a seething cauldron of tyranny, slavery, chaos and endless war. Besides Israel, severely weakened as it is by the constant strain of fending off the barbarian hordes seeking to “wipe it off the map” and Great Britain, incessantly pressured by its Leftist, pacifist neighbors to appease and negotiate, the home of the brave wages its courageous struggle virtually alone.

    But fear not. The time draws nigh when an aspiring superpower will stand firmly alongside the United States in its defense of humankind. India, the world’s largest democracy and a haven for the free market economics of Capitalism, is forging a deep alliance with the United States.

    What a wonderful world it will indeed be when two nations, each of which was forged in the crucible of revolution against the imperial tyranny of Great Britain, can ally themselves to fend off the twin evils of terrorism and Islamofascism and now the twin terrors of Russkies/Chicoms, as they unite to spread democracy and corporate benevolence.
     
    https://www.countercurrents.org/miller120207.htm

    hehehehe
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  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you’re a broke ass?
     
    Translation:

    Translation: will my WhiteAmericanness be enough for broads half my age to fuck me for free, or at the most, food and $2 beers?

    lolz. Real women punch someone in the mouth for such behavior. In America, prostitutes sometimes wait 20 years and then scream rape.

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  64. Old Jew says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    see Yuri Slezkine: “Mercurials”. It may be unrelated to Amy Chua.

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  65. neutral says:
    @Duke of Qin
    A good analogy would be a comparison between Spaniards and Latin Americans. Many Latin Americans could pass by without comment in Spain and vice versa but even more would be readily identifiable as non Spanish because they are obviously mixed.

    The Vietnamese, that is the Kinh, are actually a mestizo race formed in the last two thousand years. Their ancestry is primarily Thai, but with a significant amount of Chinese ancestry from both a millennium of imperial rule and continuous Chinese migration. How they ended up speaking an Austro-Asiatic language no one is certain on. Their ancestry is quite similar to the Han Chinese of the far south such as Guangdong and Guangxi except the admixture ratios are different. Whereas the neighboring Chinese might be roughly 90-10 Northern Chinese and native Thai, the Vietnamese would be the inverse.

    In another parallel with the mestizos of Latin America, the proportion of Chinese ancestry rises with socio-economic status and the higher up you go the greater percentage of likely Chinese ancestry you'll find. The Vietnamese rage against the perfidious Chinese much like the South Americans resent the Gabacho and the Gringo. Look a little closer at their elites ancestry, say Jorge Castaneda or Vincente Fox (aka Mr. Fuchs) and the irony dawns on you that the people most likely to be angry have ancestry that is primarily from those they resent.

    I must be honest, I cannot tell the difference, that image of the people at a Restaurant in Saigon, I don’t know if those are supposed to be Chinese or Vietnamese people.

    Also, as I already asked, are racial slurs common between the two, is miscegenation common or is it a big taboo?

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    There are ethnic overlaps. I've never heard of a slur for the Vietnamese in Chinese myself, though politically its quite acrimonious.

    IIRC, its one of the more common foreign brides but I can't find the source for that. I'm not familiar with one myself in the circles I've known. Its not a big taboo if she's light skinned or there wouldn't be articles like this:

    http://www.lyhuong.net/uc/index.php/bandoc/356-356
    , @Third world nationalist
    A lot of overseas Chinese men (singapore, Taiwan etc) marry Vietnamese women since they cannot get local women due to hypergamy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_migrant_brides_in_Taiwan

    So no taboo there.

    , @Malla
    What I was told is that the Southern Chinese look a lot like Vietnamese but it is much easier to make out a Northern Chinese from a Vietnamese.
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  66. neutral says:
    @Joe Wong
    Linh Dinh should know the current Vietnamese history was fabricated by the French and American for the purpose to sever the thousands of years of culture ties between Chinese and Vietnamese, so they can steal and colonized Indo-China including Vietnam forever.

    Vietnamese needs to get rid of their French imposed writing script and return to the writing script used their ancestors used, so they can read the real history of Vietnam instead of the toxic animosity filled French and American fabricated modern Vietnam history.

    Oh please, this is just another variation of blaming all racial tensions on white people. One does not have to know anything about Vietnam to know that different people sharing borders end up having conflict on occasion. I do know however that China invaded Vietnam, not that long ago.

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    Vietnam hasn't been part of China since the 1500s, and that has nothing to do with the French; nor would adding more intractable corruption problems to China help in the forseeable future.

    He's pretty much a troll, just ignore him.
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  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @A Currency Lad
    "Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries."

    Not true in Thailand that's for sure.

    “Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries.”

    Not true in Thailand that’s for sure.

    Its true in general sense, overseas Chinese are only interested in making good money or job, not power play that bring risk. In Western countries, media, gov and banking are largely anti chinese, overwhelming controlled by whites or jews.

    But in Asean countries where majority local people are simply quite backward and lay back comparatively, not to insult, but look at local brown Thais, Malaysia Malays, Singapore Malays, Indonesia Malays, Burmese, Cambodian, Laos, they are of similar genes and culture wearing sarongs, eating with hands… that are traced back to a tribe in Yunan who migrated down south.

    So naturally the more business minded and hardworking smarter chinese dominate everything in Asean, with some Indians, Silks, Arabs and Eurasian.

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    Bullshit. Any chinese with a bag of money is welcome to buy off everyone. Where does this questionably earned loot end up? In an American Mafia bank to play with real estate. You do understand the US couldn’t have shredded Iraq without China buying up our so-called guarantees?
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  68. republic says:
    @Joe Wong
    Linh Dinh should know the current Vietnamese history was fabricated by the French and American for the purpose to sever the thousands of years of culture ties between Chinese and Vietnamese, so they can steal and colonized Indo-China including Vietnam forever.

    Vietnamese needs to get rid of their French imposed writing script and return to the writing script used their ancestors used, so they can read the real history of Vietnam instead of the toxic animosity filled French and American fabricated modern Vietnam history.

    A Jesuit priest of Jewish origin, Alexandre de Rhodes help create the Vietnamese alphabet in the 17th century.

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    I cant find anything to certify that Alexandre de Rhodes was jewish born. OTOH He was quite against Jews and Judaism while in Asia, preaching that the Jews killed Christ and etc..

    Here's the information.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Yd_NBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT209&lpg=PT209&dq=Alexandre+de+Rhodes+not+jewish&source=bl&ots=O8-h_RHXd8&sig=kBquVU9Tlej8hju8hHr36svXeEY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRycm3vJXZAhXqzIMKHb4EBMoQ6AEISjAI#v=onepage&q=Alexandre%20de%20Rhodes%20not%20jewish&f=false
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  69. @Anonymous
    The Holocaust Museum was built for a number of reasons. One of them was undoubtedly to keep anti-semitism alive although you'll never read that in the news. How could that be? Isn't that anti-semitic?

    If you look closer in SW DC you'll see the museum really is a fortress. Off the mall, off of Independence Avenue really. Curious. After 9/11 things got even more obvious, surely the Holocaust Museuem might be next, we'll need more jersey barriers, contractors and guards.

    Sophisticated survelliance, facial recognition, metal detectors, undercover guards and defense contractors at a museum? Why sure!

    Authority tells us a wayward patsy might show up (again or at anytime) all angry so the police state can put on a show. All the actors get training especially the patsies. The museum isn't anyone's enemy per se, but sustain that cognitive dissonance like a good patriot.

    You may need a security clearance at some point to go here, no joke, but today's phones will do. This isn't the steams engines display at the American History Museum where you could walk by the cool black guy falling asleep at the security desk. Those days are long gone and I'm glad some us jews realize it. I wonder how the museums are in Vietnam?

    To paraphrase an award winning Hollywood film, this is no country for goyim of goodwill.

    Otherwise, Anonymous, I do nog enjoy exchanging thought with the anonymous. So this is it, and in the words of Edward Murrow, “good night and good luck.”

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    The owners don’t want anyone to be anonymous. It’s otherwise illegal actually. Unz doesn’t even bother with tighter sockets on the front and your keystrokes are are all over the place for safe keeping and other resources. We would call this theft if we knew any better. But we don’t. We post after Chris Hedges writes about privacy. Lol @ the flock.
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  70. nebulafox says:
    @neutral
    How different are the Chinese and Vietnamese in terms of looks? Could somebody from Vietnam pass as Chinese without anyone giving it a second thought, and the same vice versa? What are the attitudes towards miscegenation, what would the typical reaction be to having ones Vietnamese daughter marry a Chinese man compared to say marrying a black? Finally are there any racial slurs/stereotypes that they have towards each other, that one is not supposed to say in polite conversation or online articles.

    The Chinese are generally paler skinned and fuller figured (not fat or anything, just that ethnic Kinh-native Vietnamese-tend to be very skinny and lithe), from what I’ve noticed.

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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries.”

    Not true in Thailand that’s for sure.
     
    Its true in general sense, overseas Chinese are only interested in making good money or job, not power play that bring risk. In Western countries, media, gov and banking are largely anti chinese, overwhelming controlled by whites or jews.

    But in Asean countries where majority local people are simply quite backward and lay back comparatively, not to insult, but look at local brown Thais, Malaysia Malays, Singapore Malays, Indonesia Malays, Burmese, Cambodian, Laos, they are of similar genes and culture wearing sarongs, eating with hands... that are traced back to a tribe in Yunan who migrated down south.

    So naturally the more business minded and hardworking smarter chinese dominate everything in Asean, with some Indians, Silks, Arabs and Eurasian.

    Bullshit. Any chinese with a bag of money is welcome to buy off everyone. Where does this questionably earned loot end up? In an American Mafia bank to play with real estate. You do understand the US couldn’t have shredded Iraq without China buying up our so-called guarantees?

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    You have no single knowledge about Asian or overseas Chinese. I doubt you ever travel out of your country or have any Chinese business friends.

    China is buying US treasury out of no choice. It needs to park its huge trade surplus and foreign reserves(to stabilize Yuan) in best return. Euro, Pound and Yen are just junks now after QE & negative interest. Everyone did that, but China war chess is too huge catching attention.

    Pls educate yourself before calling a very factual comments from someone having direct experience bullshit.
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  72. nebulafox says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    It is an interesting parallel. There used to be German districts in Warsaw, St. Petersberg, Moscow, all over the old Russian Empire before the world wars, much like you see Chinatowns in Bangkok, Jakarta, Saigon, etc. The Thirty Year’s War devastated Germany much like the Taiping Rebellion would China, leading to-on local standards-high quality human capital flowing in and not asking for much. For centuries, the slang word for “foreigner” in Russian and other Slavic languages was “German”, such was the association, and the language of medicine, law, and other professional occupations was stereotypically German, as seen in Dostoevsky’s novels. And much like Kuala Lumpur was founded as a Chinese tin mining village, cities like Tallinn and Prague were founded by Germans, albeit much, much earlier during the Ostiedlung-complete with Magdeburg Rights.

    That said, the Germans, while discriminated against initially for the same reasons the Chinese were among the smarter breed of Southeast Asian dictator (“Turn them loose to make money and science since we don’t have a native business/technical class for now-as long as they remember their place and don’t get too uppity”), also achieved a level of eventual power under the Tsars that the Chinese could never have dreamed of under the colonial powers. Thailand proved to be the major exception-the royal family is part Chinese. Which, of course, led most of them to side with the Whites in the Civil War, much like most Chinese sided with South Vietnam, leading the Communists to target both for ethnic cleansing.

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    The Germans might in technology and its people fighting spiritare still much fear by the AngloAmericans till this day. That's why US refused to sign mutual non spying agreement with Germany.
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  73. @neutral
    I must be honest, I cannot tell the difference, that image of the people at a Restaurant in Saigon, I don't know if those are supposed to be Chinese or Vietnamese people.

    Also, as I already asked, are racial slurs common between the two, is miscegenation common or is it a big taboo?

    There are ethnic overlaps. I’ve never heard of a slur for the Vietnamese in Chinese myself, though politically its quite acrimonious.

    IIRC, its one of the more common foreign brides but I can’t find the source for that. I’m not familiar with one myself in the circles I’ve known. Its not a big taboo if she’s light skinned or there wouldn’t be articles like this:

    http://www.lyhuong.net/uc/index.php/bandoc/356-356

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  74. @neutral
    Oh please, this is just another variation of blaming all racial tensions on white people. One does not have to know anything about Vietnam to know that different people sharing borders end up having conflict on occasion. I do know however that China invaded Vietnam, not that long ago.

    Vietnam hasn’t been part of China since the 1500s, and that has nothing to do with the French; nor would adding more intractable corruption problems to China help in the forseeable future.

    He’s pretty much a troll, just ignore him.

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    Anyone exposes anything fabricated by the West in according to their 'God-fearing' morally defunct evil 'inquisitor' imagation is troll, no wonder nearly all clips on the Youtube about China produced by the West follow the Orientalism laid down by their barbaric racist forebears since 18th century.

    You are contradicting yourself, if Vietnamese was not closely linked to China, the French, American and the Japanese would not have spent so much effort and spilt so much blood to make sure the Vietnamese will never able to read their own history and get back to the old relationship with China. You should know if not the corrupted and incompetent Manchurian court, the joint Vietnamese and Qing forces would have kicked the French out of Indo-China right from the beginning, China would not have such ungrateful thorn at it side right now.

    French was always looked down by the Brits, because the French always stole spoils on the Brits coattail like the American.
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  75. nebulafox says:
    @Anonymous
    Indians don't have a huge presence in SE Asia, and the population there pretty much despises Indians anyway.

    They are nowhere near as numerous as the Chinese, but there is a prominent South Indian minority in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and before the war caused them to flee, Vietnam. They tend to be of the rather prosperous merchant type and are discriminated against, but for the same reasons as the Chinese rather than because they are seen as working class.

    I do know that recent Indian migrants tend to be viewed differently, but then again, so are recent migrants from the PRC: including by the “native” Chinese themselves.

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    Well many Singaporeans hate the new Indian immigrants who are considered rude, smelly, racist, cunning, clannish, cheating, arrogant scum.

    https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/india-nationals-bringing-their-old-tricks-to-singapore.146994/

    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_10.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_11.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_12.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_275.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/analysis-of-indian-part-2.html

    https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/indians.35446/#post-291493

    Indians in Malaysia have become a criminal underclass and dominate many gangs. They are like what many Hispanics are to the USA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTgg5pbPHs
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  76. @Anonymous
    I think Linh spelled out the key difference with the Jews though. The Chinese may be clannish and money hungry like Jews are, but I don't think the Chinese are near as hostile to the host populations which is proven with how the Chinese have populations all over the world who have co-existed with host nations.

    Jews on the other hand have been expelled pretty much everywhere they have been and even have a contemptible word, goyim, for the host populace whom Jews pretty typically despise.

    Fair enough. I just think there are some strong similarities between the two, as far as power in respective host societies and hostility. The Chinese have been extensively hated or resented in their host societies due to their dominance in local economies and educational systems, clannishness, as well as potential “dual loyalties” to a hegemonic China, from Vietnam to Indonesia. That feeling has not disappeared. I would agree though that the Jewish case is more extensive.

    Which again brings up the mystery- how come Trump who has been hailed as a “redeemer” figure by many, so cosy with Israel and assorted Jewish proxies/agents/boosters thereto, if these people are supposed to be such an internal threat?

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    "...Trump who has been hailed as a “redeemer” figure by many..."

    Cause it is likely Hillary would have been worse. It's not that's he's good it's that he's not quit as bad. Not that I'm a big booster of his. It would not surprise me a bit if he was just another person put up by the Jews to do more mischief.

    I did have hopes though...dashed. Everything he's done so far was nothing more than jeb would have done. Far as I could tell maybe we would have been better off with jeb. jeb is probably too incompetent to get up to too much trouble.
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  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    To paraphrase an award winning Hollywood film, this is no country for goyim of goodwill.

    Otherwise, Anonymous, I do nog enjoy exchanging thought with the anonymous. So this is it, and in the words of Edward Murrow, "good night and good luck."

    The owners don’t want anyone to be anonymous. It’s otherwise illegal actually. Unz doesn’t even bother with tighter sockets on the front and your keystrokes are are all over the place for safe keeping and other resources. We would call this theft if we knew any better. But we don’t. We post after Chris Hedges writes about privacy. Lol @ the flock.

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  78. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Anti-Chinese animus from Vietnam is inevitable.

    Consider that Mexico is also largely dominated by a basically Caucasian elite, relies heavily on the US for its living standard, and sends huge quantities of illegal aliens to earn money in the US but highly, highly despises America(as a nation, though not necessarily not the people).

    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).

    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).

    I beg to differ on that. Many Vietnamese women dream to marry to US/ Singapore or work as illegal prostitute(sorry no offence), their men dream to study or work there no matter what job, yet they don’t despise any of these nations. They even admire Singapore chinese, but Almost all Vietnamese I come across hate China deeply regarding SCS and border war, tho not against China people.

    i would said mega anti China propaganda by US UK and Vietcon(after punished by Deng) are one main factor brainwashing their nations to harbour outsized deep enmity. Consider how much war suffering and sanction US & France had brought to them vs China, yet they admired them like gods without tiny bad memory. And their Vietcon gov knew SCS and border war historical facts very well, Viet is solely at fault and lying. But they chose to go India way to distort history.

    Similarly in Myanmar under West destructive sanction, almost all Burmese esp intellectual i met hate China blindly, complaining how China bully and grabed all their resources, sell them junks, and only West can defend them. When question how China did that, they couldn’t justify single point, because they heard from BBC, America Voice and Sweden short wave radio broadcasting, and USAid sponsored msm.

    Take an absurb example, one smart Medical Dr is whining how evil China wanted to build a mega billions dollars hydropower dam for Myanmar and took all its electricity for next 10yrs before giving it free, and sending all dredge soil back because its all filled with gold. When i qn who will pay $5B, he said Myanmar can’t afford. Then how about asking their dear Americans to build for free, he said no one will. So what’s wrong with such aids project to recover partial cost from electricity generated? Still these fools violently protest and force their gov to scrap the project they badly need. Now they can enjoy dredging river filled with “gold” in darkness told by the West fairy tale.

    But recent Western make Rohingya crisis conspiracy had Myanmar people awaken to what these evils up to. So they are realizing its China that protect them in last 50yrs from US war aggression.

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    Haha.

    How typical. I've had some experience with that, though in Africa. At some point, its impossible to work with their elite on a rational basis, especially when you realize that they honestly don't care for their people. Bribery is the only language that they understand.

    Its really sad all around.
    , @Karl
    78 Anon > almost all Burmese esp intellectual i met hate China blindly, complaining how China bully and grabed all their resources, sell them junks

    their punishment for having done the exact same to the Rakhines.
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  79. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Bullshit. Any chinese with a bag of money is welcome to buy off everyone. Where does this questionably earned loot end up? In an American Mafia bank to play with real estate. You do understand the US couldn’t have shredded Iraq without China buying up our so-called guarantees?

    You have no single knowledge about Asian or overseas Chinese. I doubt you ever travel out of your country or have any Chinese business friends.

    China is buying US treasury out of no choice. It needs to park its huge trade surplus and foreign reserves(to stabilize Yuan) in best return. Euro, Pound and Yen are just junks now after QE & negative interest. Everyone did that, but China war chess is too huge catching attention.

    Pls educate yourself before calling a very factual comments from someone having direct experience bullshit.

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  80. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    China is a constant threat to encroach upon Vietnam, that Vietnam may be swallowed up entirely by China.
     
    Linh Dinh was wrong, "Vietnam" was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.

    BTW, while the educated Linh Dinh in Vietnam he should mobilize the Vietnamese to get rid of the French imposed ugly curly European script and restore their ancestor writing script back as their national writing script. The French imposed curly script reminds people the Vietnamese is still servile to their ex-White master, and are deeply mentally colonized by the White like the Taiwanese who are deeply mentally colonized by the unrepentant war criminal Japanese.

    Linh Dinh was wrong, “Vietnam” was part of China before it has its own state. In Chinese eyes, Vietnam like Taiwan are renegaded provinces. Vietnam was pried away by the French while Taiwan was pried away by the Japanese while China was weak.

    This is something new, Vietnam is part of China. Facts pls.

    China regards all southern areas as uncivilized South Barbarians. Its not interested at all these lands, even when Zhenhe found Australia and many new lands well before Western Explorer uses his maps to explore.

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    Vietnam has been part of China more than a thousand years starting BC. It is written all over the places in history including Vietnamese own history. Unless you are one of those megalomaniac Eurocentrists who consider there was no civilization outside of Europe while stealing the fruits produced by other civilizations as their own inventions.
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  81. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    It is an interesting parallel. There used to be German districts in Warsaw, St. Petersberg, Moscow, all over the old Russian Empire before the world wars, much like you see Chinatowns in Bangkok, Jakarta, Saigon, etc. The Thirty Year's War devastated Germany much like the Taiping Rebellion would China, leading to-on local standards-high quality human capital flowing in and not asking for much. For centuries, the slang word for "foreigner" in Russian and other Slavic languages was "German", such was the association, and the language of medicine, law, and other professional occupations was stereotypically German, as seen in Dostoevsky's novels. And much like Kuala Lumpur was founded as a Chinese tin mining village, cities like Tallinn and Prague were founded by Germans, albeit much, much earlier during the Ostiedlung-complete with Magdeburg Rights.

    That said, the Germans, while discriminated against initially for the same reasons the Chinese were among the smarter breed of Southeast Asian dictator ("Turn them loose to make money and science since we don't have a native business/technical class for now-as long as they remember their place and don't get too uppity"), also achieved a level of eventual power under the Tsars that the Chinese could never have dreamed of under the colonial powers. Thailand proved to be the major exception-the royal family is part Chinese. Which, of course, led most of them to side with the Whites in the Civil War, much like most Chinese sided with South Vietnam, leading the Communists to target both for ethnic cleansing.

    The Germans might in technology and its people fighting spiritare still much fear by the AngloAmericans till this day. That’s why US refused to sign mutual non spying agreement with Germany.

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  82. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    Interesting info.

    The Germans power in technology and fighting spirit are still very much fear by the AngloAmericans till this day. That’s why US refused to sign mutual non spying agreement with Germany even after been leaked about CIA tapping its ally Merkel phone.

    But the absurb moslem migrants policy and US manipulated German gov is destroying Germany.

    Chinese are too many to dislodge. China produce one Germany every 4yrs, 80Mil. And Chinese nature is to go anywhere if there is opportunity to improve life.

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  83. @AaronB
    I've done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage - moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and "assume" the superior pose.

    I don't know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate - thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans - if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it's easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability - studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It's quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined - a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society "knows" - he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can't really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

    Using “criticism, feigned outrage – moral attacks, futile debate, perceptions shaping stress and confusion, guilt trips, emotionalism, and assuming superior poses pretty much describes some of the tactics of white groups, including white Americans in their dealings with others. They aren’t a Chinese monopoly by any means, or a collectivist one either. Activities overseas by super individualistic, rationalistic Americans have included all the above tactics.

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    AaronB says:
    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.
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    But its not hard at all. We have the historical record. When the CHinese ran into the rational, rugged American individualists on the West Coast of the US, they pretty much ran the same playbook- tight, clannish organization, concentration on the building power in the economic sphere, extensive “behind the scenes” manipulation including bribery, and a penchant for blunt force grinding work that could outlast their detractors.

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    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.
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    How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall..

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    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.
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    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic? History delivers no such verdict. Matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that Americans prefer the contrary- appeals to the emotions, tribal loyalties (local, regional and racial) and good old fashioned cash on the barrelhead as in the horse trading, pork barrel, machine politics that keeps things moving. The university or think-tank egghead has never been a popular figure among Americans, and “rationalism” has had plenty of detractors- such as the fierce union struggles against “rational” corporate exploitation. And most Americans do not open everything up to debate- egghead academics in universities and think tanks might debate forever, but not the common “man in the street.” Even the much maligned media follow certain shared understandings with the public.

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    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic?
     
    I can understand your point, you are correct. You keep on posting how the Whites are just as bad as anybody. But compared to the standards of the rest of the world where clannishness is basic norm, Western societies and peoples have shown more incidents of self criticism than most other societies.

    For example the kind of immigration seen in the UK for example since WW2 would BE IMPOSSIBLE in India. If the numbers (as a percentage of original population) of racially different people would be allowed immigration in India, years ago (in a much earlier stage of population importation), there would have been riots in the streets, the politicians responsible found and hunted down, the party which allowed so many outsiders would never win in the next 60 years. A local version of the BNP (British Nationalist Party) would have won land slide victories in elections. Hell our present ruling party the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) is not that different from the BNP and the BNP may even be milder in comparison. Hardcore BJP ites (like the poster Singh on Unz) openly call for massacring all Muslims and Christians and cleansing our holy land of these vermin.
    , @Sam J.
    "...How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall...."

    Here's what happened to the Jews when they went to China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

    The Chinese literally swallowed them up. Gone. Done. Ground into Chinese dust. Now they all are doing all they can to move to Israel because their power in China is...nothing, zilch.
    , @AaronB
    Sure, they aren't a Chinese or Jewish monopoly. Tactics transcend frontiers. Nothing is set in stone.

    Whites have certainly used these tactics in the past, and there are probably some who still do today.

    I am talking in generalities, and largely, focusing on the post WW2 situation. Western culture was/is on a trajectory - a trend, a process, a line of developement. Today, whites tend not to use these tactics, because they don't fit so well in a nationalistic framework, or an individualistic one. In the 19th century, they used them more, but individualism was already gaining momentum.

    We don't know if the Chinese would try and dominate and undermine local culture in AS Asia if they could. That they haven't tried that in America yet means nothing. A precondition for trying that is that you closely resemble the local population - they do in SEA, not in America . Plus, in America that niche is occupied by a non-individualistic, non hyper-nationalistic group. So the Chinese would be competing again a collectivist group that more closely resembles and understands the host population.

    There are some signs that the Chinese do undermine host population self-confidence in SEA. In Thailand, where I've done business, the locals despise their brown skin and use whitening cream to try and look more like their overlords. Skinny Chinese guys with glasses are prized by local women.

    At least Americans are left with enough self confidence to not try and look like Jews and Jewish men aren't widely desired.

    So, there are clear analogiez, and clear differences.

    As for Jews in the Ottoman empire, there simply isn't any comparison. They did well, but were not nearly as dominant as they are in America, or were in Germany before the war. Which pretty much proves my point, not yours.

    Jews achieved greater dominance among a host population that was scientifically and technologically advanced because related to that comes hyper-rationality and atomization. You would think that Jews would be much dominant among the backward Ottomans. But the reverse is the case. Which proves my point.

    Sure, the common American man isn't as rationalistic or as individualistic as the intellectual elite. But we are ruled by our elites, not the common man, and elite attitudes filter down to the masses. The common American man today is confused and demoralized by his elites.

    What made the WASP elite, a larger and certainly higher IQ group than Jews (a white "elite" would have a higher IQ than the Jewish "average" - based on mean group IQ and population numbers. And would vastly outnumber them. Do the math. Episcopalians alone, only one section of the white elite, have the same mean IQ as Jews), no match for the collectivist and non-rational tactics of Jews when the question was one of gaining social power and not producing machines, was the atomization and hyper-rationalism that the record shows was the theme of of elite American culture. Which also sapped motivation and morale - the very desire to hold on to power against determined and collective attacks.
    , @Hibernian
    The dominant force in American history has been the New England WASP. The emotionalism of the various "deplorables" has only been a force to be exploited.
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  84. Sherman says:
    @AaronB
    I've done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage - moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and "assume" the superior pose.

    I don't know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate - thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans - if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it's easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability - studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It's quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined - a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society "knows" - he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can't really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

    You seem pretty stupid.

    It probably doesn’t take much to “undermine” your “self-confidence”.

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    Ah, too close for comfort :)

    Don't worrh, my Jewish half-brother, when it is all over, you will feel a sense of relief. You had a good run, and for a while, you guys did well. But everything ends. Accept it gracefully.
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  85. MarkinPNW says:
    @Malla
    The Counter culture hippie movement was a CIA Psy Op

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYya5pTZeM

    Strangely many rock and roll stars like children of military men. A total CIA psy op to change American society and introduce drugs into the society.

    Well, Russian defector and dissident Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB agent, claimed that 85% of the KGB budget was spent to culturally and morally undermine the west. When he defected, he insisted on settling in Canada because he did “not trust the CIA in the US.” Makes one wonder if he knew even more than he publically disclosed, and that the CIA was infiltrated by or otherwise in cahoots with the KGB to destroy US and Western society.

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    Yes I have seen Bezmenov's video interviews. What is even more interesting is that the Soviet Union and many of it's Eastern European satellites started rejecting some of the ugly art and culture destroying elements of the early Bolsheviks with time. This could be because of the rising power of Russians and other ethnics at the expense of Jews. This cultural phenomenon was called 'Social Realism'. Ugly art was (similar to Cubism, modern art etc...) was rejected by healthy beautiful art even though the state message was Communism. While on the other hand the West was going in the opposite direction via phenomenon called 'Cultural Marxism', creating an ironical situation where the Communist East was now doing a better job of preserving many aspects of traditional European/Central Asian culture while in the West traditional European/Western society was under attack by the media, education system, judiciary etc... The CIA was actively trying to thwart this Social Realism movement. Imagine that. A supposedly free Christian country trying to thwart something like that.
    The soul of the Communist movement worldwide was always in the West, in the corridors of Wall street and early Jewish ghettos.
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  86. @Anon

    Given that, the fact that Vietnam has a heavily Han descended elite, relies on China for much of its living standard and sends illegal aliens into China, it should naturally parallel that they will despise the China(again, the nation but not necessarily its people).
     
    I beg to differ on that. Many Vietnamese women dream to marry to US/ Singapore or work as illegal prostitute(sorry no offence), their men dream to study or work there no matter what job, yet they don't despise any of these nations. They even admire Singapore chinese, but Almost all Vietnamese I come across hate China deeply regarding SCS and border war, tho not against China people.

    i would said mega anti China propaganda by US UK and Vietcon(after punished by Deng) are one main factor brainwashing their nations to harbour outsized deep enmity. Consider how much war suffering and sanction US & France had brought to them vs China, yet they admired them like gods without tiny bad memory. And their Vietcon gov knew SCS and border war historical facts very well, Viet is solely at fault and lying. But they chose to go India way to distort history.

    Similarly in Myanmar under West destructive sanction, almost all Burmese esp intellectual i met hate China blindly, complaining how China bully and grabed all their resources, sell them junks, and only West can defend them. When question how China did that, they couldn't justify single point, because they heard from BBC, America Voice and Sweden short wave radio broadcasting, and USAid sponsored msm.

    Take an absurb example, one smart Medical Dr is whining how evil China wanted to build a mega billions dollars hydropower dam for Myanmar and took all its electricity for next 10yrs before giving it free, and sending all dredge soil back because its all filled with gold. When i qn who will pay $5B, he said Myanmar can't afford. Then how about asking their dear Americans to build for free, he said no one will. So what's wrong with such aids project to recover partial cost from electricity generated? Still these fools violently protest and force their gov to scrap the project they badly need. Now they can enjoy dredging river filled with "gold" in darkness told by the West fairy tale.

    But recent Western make Rohingya crisis conspiracy had Myanmar people awaken to what these evils up to. So they are realizing its China that protect them in last 50yrs from US war aggression.

    Haha.

    How typical. I’ve had some experience with that, though in Africa. At some point, its impossible to work with their elite on a rational basis, especially when you realize that they honestly don’t care for their people. Bribery is the only language that they understand.

    Its really sad all around.

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  87. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    …reached its nadir under Pol Pot, a man who combined secular Jewish messianism with atavistic Angkor yearnings. The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx. “No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

    Not so simple as all that. While Christianity was forcibly introduced to Southeast Asia by European Imperialists — all in all, its influence was probably better than Buddhism with its streak of nihilism — , communism was something Asians freely adopted on their own to expel the European Imperialists.
    While the Soviet Empire did forcibly take over and conquer peoples of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, communism spread in nations like China, Vietnam, and Cambodia out of the free will of Asians who came to believe that it was their best weapon against imperialism.

    The irony is that communism was indeed an effective weapon against imperialism, whereas Christianity was the religion of the invasive and oppressive foreigners. But in the long run, communism turned out to be oppressive and tyrannical(even murderous in some cases), and new generations of Chinese and Vietnamese are finding more meaning and purpose from Christianity, now divorced from imperialist designs. The new religion of Western Globalist Imperialism is Homomania as Jews have come to control the West and Jews have negative feelings about Christianity. The only kind of Christianity Jews can tolerate is the one that is all about Diversity or worshiping homos even more than Jesus.

    Anyway, I think we have to give communism some due. Yes, it was the god that failed. Its economic theory was ultimately flawed despite the utopian idealism. To understand why communism was bound to fail, one just has to imagine the entire economy of a metropolis run by city hall. City Hall can barely fund and manage the basic municipal operations. Imagine city hall controlling all the markets, all the restaurants, all the hotels, all the housing, all the stores, all the transportation, all the construction, and etc. Things would ground to a halt, especially since communism suppresses material incentives for hard work.

    Also, communism was bound to limit creativity because everything was about the collective and the plain. For good or ill, creativity is always elitist and/or iconic because it’s about rare talents working toward perfection of archetypal forms. This is why most people are not star material. Only Paul Newman could be Paul Newman. Only Clint Eastwood could be Clint Eastwood. Even in pop culture, how many people have the talent of someone like Paul McCartney or Burt Bacharach to compose and craft such wonderful songs? True art must be honest or visionary; true entertainment must be inspired and exciting.

    Humanism is indispensable as the basic social philosophy of a nation, but arts and creativity are about the special talent with the perfectionist touch. Because communism saddled arts and culture with the heavy moralism of the Worker and Revolution, communist expressions got boring and predictable.
    Worse, people are naturally spiritual, and since communism banished religion, it turned to elevating secular figures as new gods, and this cult of personality got stupid and obnoxious.

    So, in the long run, communism was bound to fail, and it deserved to fail. Who wants to live under communism forever?

    Still, one must give credit where it’s due in appreciating communism as a uniting force and organizing principle for Third World nations in a world where so many non-whites were under the domination of few Western nations. Against Western Imperialism, which seemed so overwhelming back then — just like many people in the 80s thought communism would last for many more decades, maybe indefinitely — , non-white peoples sought deliverance. How could they drive out the imperialists? Japanese offered an answer with Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it was a case of replacing one imperialism with another(that could be even more brutal). As for traditional values and schools of thoughts, they seemed useless against the dynamic and aggressive West. Confucianism seemed quaint and irrelevant. If anything, it came to be associated with effete scholars who were doing calligraphy when their nation was being carved up by foreigners. Taoism and Buddhism were too mystical and passive to address the dire problems of reality. Both were thought systems of detachment and non-action. The old elites were either gone, collaborating with the imperialists, or offered nothing but return to domestic tyranny of privileged elites lording over the people as slaves, serfs, or tenant-farmers.
    There was capitalism, but global capitalism was dominated by few European empires and the US. Even if capitalism could work in the long run, it was useless in creating a unified mass against the imperialists. For one thing, capitalism under imperialist rule will favor the imperialist investors and owners and the native collaborator-comprador elites, as well as foreign merchants doing the bidding of the imperialists, as was the case of the Chinese minority. Also, capitalism is mainly about profits, and so, even Vietnamese capitalists would prioritize profits above all else. Even if it hurt the cause of Vietnamese independence and sovereignty, Vietnamese capitalists would have chosen profits over patriotism. We see this in America too. So many US capitalists will betray American workers and national sovereignty to stuff their own pockets. So, capitalism without full national sovereignty would have failed to bring Vietnam together. Look at South Korea. As it is defined by capitalism under US neo-imperialism, it favors profits over national unity and sovereignty. Even when the US keeps increasing tensions to keep the peninsula divided indefinitely, South Koreans continue to play toady to America because profits come first. As such, the two Koreas may never unite again.
    Another problem with capitalism is it takes time to develop. While capitalism is ultimately more productive and efficient than communism, it can have an disorganizing than organizing impact on society since it’s about the cutthroat competition of multiple players. Great Britain and the US were able to develop successful capitalist models because both were geographically secure and politically united. They didn’t have to worry much about invasion, and if anything, they became invaders than the invaded.
    But without geographical security and political-national sovereignty, capitalism can cause more problems because its openness can lead to easy infiltration and takeover by foreigners. After all, it was through capitalism that globalist Jews gained so much control over Russia and South Africa.
    Also, even the successful East Asian capitalist models relied on significant government controls and support. The rise of Japanese and South Korean economies is hard to conceive without the role of the state. And it was also true of rise of Modern Germany.

    Under French Colonialism and then American neo-imperialism, Vietnam couldn’t gain full national sovereignty with capitalism alone. Vietnamese needed something stronger and more ruthless in order to organize, unite, and fight to drive out the foreigners and build a new system based on nationalism and independence. And at the time, communism seemed like the best bet. Now, why not fascism?
    For several reasons. WWII gave fascism a bad name. Soviet Union, which presented itself as the champion of world revolutions, fought a bitter war against radical German fascism and prevailed. So, even fascists after WWII didn’t want to be associated with the label.
    Another problem was Fascism is an ideology of working with existing systems than creating a new one from scratch. So, Mussolini inherited the conditions of modern Italy and tried to make the best of it by balancing capital and labor, tradition and modernity. Same with National Socialism in Germany. Hitler was working with existing systems and inherited political norms. He did push for radical change in some ways, but he didn’t have to work from scratch, nor did he want to.

    In contrast, Vietnam was poor and backward. It had nothing much to inherit from the past. Also, the French imperialists had hardly invested much into Vietnam. They were mostly into exploitation of rubber like in the silly movie INDOCHINE. So, everything had to be built from scratch based on a new template. A more radical approach was needed than fascism that seeks a balance of tradition and modernity. (Now, Cuba could have done better with a fascist-nationalist model because the Castro regime did inherit a considerable economy and means of production from the pre-existing system. If the Castro regime had kicked out the mafia and worst of the oligarchs and had protected the national bourgeoisie on condition that they uphold Cuban nationalism against Yanqui and Jewish gangster-capitalism, it could have done so much more.)

    So, considering the main objectives of Ho Chi Minh, communism made good sense. Only communism could provide a simple but powerful idea to unite all Vietnamese who were poor and backward. In a nation with a small capitalist class and insignificant middle class, only something like communism could be a unifying force for the masses. Also, communist culture of discipline, purity of spirit, and sacrifice imbued the comrades with a willingness to die for the cause. It’s like what Michael Corleone observes about the Cuban rebel who gave his own life for the Revolution. It’s difficult for a revolution to succeed unless people are willing to die for it, just like it’s difficult for capitalism to succeed unless people are willing to work hard to afford fun stuff.

    To liberate and unify the nation, Ho Chi Minh and his cohorts had only communism as an effective weapon against France and the US. Only communism could unify the masses, instill iron discipline into them, and make them want to fight and die for a higher cause. And the Vietnamese did manage to defeat the French and the Americans, the only such record in the 20th century. They also bested the Chinese in the late 70s and prevailed over Cambodia, then a satellite of China. Could Vietnam have done all this without communist principles of organization, morale, sacrifice, and vision? I doubt it.
    To be sure, it was a most tragic century as the Vietnamese fought almost non-stop from WWII to the 1990s. But it is united unlike sorry Korea. Also, Vietnam probably has more political and historical respect than all the vassal nations of Southeast Asia.

    If anything, it is capitalism that is turning Vietnam into shit again. Now, I’m all for economic reforms and market dynamics in Vietnam. I’m all for Vietnam forging new ties with US, China, and the world. But considering the great struggle, sacrifice, and achievements of the Revolution, the current elites of Vietnam should be hanged for cucking out to Homomania and letting prostitution run rampant again, turning Ho Chi Minh City into old Saigon. Profits and incentives are good, but a nation made by Viet Cong shouldn’t go Viet Cuck.

    Now, the Middle East didn’t need communism because they had a powerful and timeless idea as an organizing principle: Islam. With faith in Islam, the Afghanis drove out the Soviets. Unlike passive religions like Buddhism or secular philosophies like Confucianism, the energies of Islam will never fade. Now, Islam has lots of problems and, like communism, can be repressive and hold back necessary reforms. But in a world where anything related to ‘freedom’ and ‘human rights’ are so defined and controlled by US globalist hegemony, the non-West needs some powerful countervailing idea or force to keep some measure of sovereignty.

    And to that extent, we have to give communism some credit.

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    Very good comprehensive analysis and I agree Communism did play a role needed at that time. But there is a teeeny weeny problem here.
    Communism was itself pushed on East Asians by internationalist bankers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Ofep13FY4

    Andrei Fursov talks about Joseph Stalin's reluctance to create Communist China and how the Rockefellers wanted it.

    More on this

    https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/mao-yale-man-rothschilds-create-peoples-republic-china/

    Mao Was a Yale Man – Rothschilds Create People’s Republic of China

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/jews-in-china-mao-era/

    CHINAS “REVOLUTIONARY” JEWS

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/chinese-communism-yes-but-it-was-jewish-when-it-started/

    CHINESE COMMUNISM? YES BUT IT WAS JEWISH WHEN IT STARTED
    , @Sam J.
    "...Vietnam was poor and backward.... So, everything had to be built from scratch based on a new template. A more radical approach was needed than fascism that seeks a balance of tradition and modernity..."

    Good point and a good post. Made me think.
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  88. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around
     
    These Chinese nationalists sound a lot like Indian nationalists. That is what all people in India say, just replace China with India in the above sentence.

    Lol. Malla, you used to be very factual and i learn much from your comments about China and India. Now that im stating facts, how can i be Chinese nationalist when im from anti China country?

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.

    Instead of building infrastructure for its badly needed people, India chosen to waste so much on war machines and building roads for border wars, benefiting only few corrupted people and MIC.

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    No, what I really meant is that if you talk with people in the streets of India or in one of our elite engineering institutes, that is what you will hear, that India is a peaceful country and never invaded anybody but is repeated eyed jealously by foreigners like the British, Mughals, Pakistanis, Chinese etc... All states have state propaganda and brainwash their own citizens in tha propaganda. Even the Western governments do that but a bigger percentage of people in the West criticize and question the actions of their own countries.

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.
     
    Well Chine did invade Vietnam in the past.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
    It bullied Vietnam as far as the Spartly Islands are concerned

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish

    I am not saying China does not have an explanation for the above but the Chinese nationalists should realize that Vietnam has it's own interest and so does India and calling the exercise of such interests as being a sucker to 'Imperialists' is plain wrong. Similarly Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc... have their own interests as sovereign powers and if they want better relationships with the PRC, they have the right to. Indian nationalists do not understand this.

    Also Chinese nationalists being brought up on Communist theory throw the word Imperialist around but they would be aghast to know that Indian media calls the Chinese as evil Imperialists.
    The Chinese are not the only ones who can throw that term around.
    http://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/cpec-obor-protestors-opposition-gilgit-baltistan-disputed-territory/61044
    'Chinese Imperialism': CPEC faces stiff opposition from protesters in Gilgit

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/after-obor-gets-ready-pakistan-will-become-chinas-colony-s-akbar-zaidi/articleshow/59100114.cms
    After OBOR gets ready, Pakistan will become China’s colony: S Akbar Zaidi

    I think comparing the OBOR with imperialism is a bit far fetched, I am not saying calling China Imperialist is completely justified, am just saying that the term imperialist can be thrown around by non Chinese too and against the PRC itself.

    Besides that China did interfere in Africa against the Portuguese Empire, Rhodesia and South Africa. You might say that China was helping exploited people fight exploiters, but the reality on the ground was very different. Anyways Communist China had no right to interfere in a place so far away into the activities of other sovereign powers.
    I will provide links to this in connected post.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.
     
    I am not denying India does behave in an imperialist fashion. India did absorb the Kingdom of Sikkim but as far as Pakistan is concerned, after the liberation of Bangladesh, India did not absorb Bangladesh. I do not see India conquering Pakistan land. Indeed India returned land it had conquered from Pakistan back to Pakistan, land conquered by the Indian army in earlier Indo Pakistan wars. India repeatedly blames Pakistan for interfering in Indian Kashmir and China supports Pakistan. How can China which blames the whole world for interfering in it's internal affairs as far as Tibet and Xinjiang are concerned, support a country Pakistan which India accuses of interfering in it's own internal affairs??
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  89. Aaron B says:
    Being individualistic is also a huge liability – studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It’s quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined – a member of group, almost never..
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    Who says in an individualistic society you do not have social support for your opinions? Again, history shows no such thing. Individualism does not contradict uniformity of opinion, you can have plenty of both co-existing at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive. The rugged individualists of the American West had plenty of mutual support as they burnt out and massacred various Chinese settlements for example. Likewise the free-wheeling, free booting, hard-drinking subculture of Irish Americans has long been criticized for unbridled individualism- yet the Irish were also known for their collectivism when it came to the political sphere and often unstintingly supported the most corrupt governments in urban America- a sore point with assorted WASP critics.

    .
    The individual from a collectivist society “knows” – he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused
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    This may be so depending on how strong the alleged “collectivism” is, but your point fails to consider when a process of change, EMBEDDED IN WESTERN CULTURE ITSELF, causes loss of identity. In the case of the West, western culture itself has generated changes that leads to constant weakening of identity. The examples are old and many- from the rule of an imperial hegemon like Rome that weakens tribal identities, or the strong influence of a cultural hegemon like Hellenism (Greeks), to the influence of a uniform ideology- such as Christianity which also weakened old tribal bonds.

    Then there is the whole process of modernization, which also weakens the old tribal collectivist bonds. Hence once narrow-minded groups changed to consider themselves part of large aggregations such as Christians, Romans, Britons, Italians etc etc as is demonstrated by the new identities and fierce patriotism of the modern nation state. Likewise on a more internal plane, groups once seen as alien tribals, in time, lost their tribal identities and now consider themselves, and are now considered primarily to be, part of a larger identity grouping- called Americans.

    Also keep in mind that “rationalism” is something hailed as part and parcel of Western culture by conservatives, hearkening back of the Greeks, sacred paragons of Western culture. Sexual relations between boys and older men for example was viewed favorably in the hallowed, rational halls of Athenian thinkers. Matter of fact the famous “symposium” was a venue where such contacts were cultivated, and frequent, and the longest conversation if Plato’s Symposium is on the nature of homosexual love. This is not something brought in by today’s “liberals” or “Jewish interlopers.”

    And not only the “effete” Athenians. Among the mighty Spartans it was quite the thing- and a key part of the bonding system of their military. In fact newly married Spartan women were sometimes known to dress as young boys on their wedding nights, perhaps inspiring their he-men husbands to greater efforts in bed. So some of the alleged “individualistic excesses” we see today may not be so “new” at all, but part and parcel of millennia of influential Western culture. They are not necessarily a “Jew” product.

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    That's a reasonable point, individualism may coexist in its earlier stages with collectivism.

    But it's a process - I would say today Americans are far more atomized than they were in the 19th century, and it has lowered self confidence and led to demoralizing self-doubt.

    I was reading recently about the prisoner of war camps in the Korean War. A third of American soldiers signed confessions and cooperated with their captors, and many died from severe conditions - death in such situations is considered to be psychological - and their captors found it easy to create demoralizing leadership vacuums by seperating put the officers, who were not replaced.

    By contrast, the Koreans also had a large number of Turkish prisoners. None of them cooperated, and they survived almost to a man. Sick men would be spoon fed and closely tended by their comrades, and no matter how many times their officers were removed, the next lowest rank would become the leader.

    Not being hyper rationalistic, the Turks refused to be engaged in debate about values and responded with derision. Group unity made it easier to be self confident in their opinions. They were impervious to brainwashing.

    The Americans naively were willing to rationally analyze anything, and studies have shown that the first step in the brainwashing process is engaging the target in debate.

    The American Army concluded the released captives had serious character deficits and weak self identity and had been poorly indoctrinated in the values of their society.

    In short, they were merely reflections of American society, as the Turks were of theirs.

    Individualism and collectivism are absolute poles - most societies have some kind of balance between the two.

    The Japanese tend towards collectivism, famously, but you will find lots and lots of eccentrics and weird characters if you visit Japan, and the people can seem highly individually expressive in many situations and not the drab monotone many think, and Japanese culture has a tradition of eccentric Zen monks, wanderers, adventurers, roisterers, and sake swilling layabouts, that reveal a rich seam of anarchic individualism at the heart of Japanese society.

    The Chinese have a similar tradition - entire districts were crawling with eccentric hemits and recluses and wanderers, many of them former mandarins snd court officials.

    Regional identities merge into national identities - that's not unique to the West. Happened in China too, and everywhere.

    But the centrifugal trend in America has recently been towards atomization and the breakup of any shared identity whatsoever, and the substitution of abstract principles in place of identity, principles that are negotiable and open to rational analysis.

    The result is that Americans live on quicksand, and are easy prey for any rogue with strong convictions.

    Of course American individualism had deep roots in Western culture and is not a "Jew product" - I dont agree with those silly people who think Jews alone created modern culture.

    You'd have to be really historically ignorant to believe that.

    But in overcoming modernity, it may make rhetorical and psychological sense for whites to "externalize" it as a creation of the Jews, and thus "non-white", foreign, alien.

    Don't underestimate the rhetorical uses of obvious untruths and the psychological role they may play in the revitalization of a nation. It's called a "myth" - and they're necessary lies based on an element of truth that reflect reality in a deeper way.

    Jews aligned themselves with modernity and unfairly exploited it, though they didn't create it, and that gives the new myth resonance and symbolism.
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  90. @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    The Mercurians thing was ridiculous. “As professional cultivators of people, Mercurians use words, concepts, money, emotions, and other intangible as tools of their trade.” Oh.

    God, that book was so full of holes and contradictions (if also full of interesting tidbits). Slezkine didn’t know what to do to separate Germans in the Russia Empire after slamming them domestically so he gave them the “Mercurian” label while implying that back in their homelands they were not Mercurian, just Apollonian. LOL. He failed to note that they were an utterly accomplished and successful people wherever they emigrated. Transylvania. Argentina. Australia. Venezuela. Canada. And Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, their homelands, as well.

    Chinese, like the Germans up to the post-war generations, are innately conservative, as one would expect of an agriculturally grounded people. Jews – and one can take this in a negative or positive sense, but the fact can’t be denied – are a revolutionary people, an agitator people, wherever they end up. Jews are far more similar, when in galuth, to Hindus.

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    There are two sides to the Chinese character, if not more - Confucianism may be conservative, but Taoism is anarchic and radical, and it's a big part of the Chinese psyche.

    Singapore may be dull and repressive and organized, but the Chinese also love noisy and chaotic cities where hedonism and freedom from restraint and indulgence in pleasure hold sway. The Chinese drink a ton and are avid frequenters of prostitutes.

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative, and they are only radicals when it comes to their host population.
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  91. AaronB says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    The Mercurians thing was ridiculous. "As professional cultivators of people, Mercurians use words, concepts, money, emotions, and other intangible as tools of their trade." Oh.

    God, that book was so full of holes and contradictions (if also full of interesting tidbits). Slezkine didn't know what to do to separate Germans in the Russia Empire after slamming them domestically so he gave them the "Mercurian" label while implying that back in their homelands they were not Mercurian, just Apollonian. LOL. He failed to note that they were an utterly accomplished and successful people wherever they emigrated. Transylvania. Argentina. Australia. Venezuela. Canada. And Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, their homelands, as well.

    Chinese, like the Germans up to the post-war generations, are innately conservative, as one would expect of an agriculturally grounded people. Jews - and one can take this in a negative or positive sense, but the fact can't be denied - are a revolutionary people, an agitator people, wherever they end up. Jews are far more similar, when in galuth, to Hindus.

    There are two sides to the Chinese character, if not more – Confucianism may be conservative, but Taoism is anarchic and radical, and it’s a big part of the Chinese psyche.

    Singapore may be dull and repressive and organized, but the Chinese also love noisy and chaotic cities where hedonism and freedom from restraint and indulgence in pleasure hold sway. The Chinese drink a ton and are avid frequenters of prostitutes.

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative, and they are only radicals when it comes to their host population.

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    This is true. The Chinese don't even really work that hard, for an East Asian country. I don't think its such a bad thing, though - the ability to enjoy chaos helps one cope with change.

    It also means that less time is wasted on fake "overtime" where nothing much is actually being accomplished.

    https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12785_where_the_most_workers_put_in_a_60_hour_week_n.jpg
    , @Truth

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative,
     
    You sure you're feeling OK?
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  92. @neutral
    I must be honest, I cannot tell the difference, that image of the people at a Restaurant in Saigon, I don't know if those are supposed to be Chinese or Vietnamese people.

    Also, as I already asked, are racial slurs common between the two, is miscegenation common or is it a big taboo?

    A lot of overseas Chinese men (singapore, Taiwan etc) marry Vietnamese women since they cannot get local women due to hypergamy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_migrant_brides_in_Taiwan

    So no taboo there.

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  93. @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived “dual loyalties.” It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous “Chinatowns” all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.

    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil’s sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not “race” wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little “racial” difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering “racial” differences. And since when have Germans been “wiped off the mat?” This is even more laughable, unless you are equating “true Germans” with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.

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    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban
     
    Not true. They had plenty opportunity to go into farming but never did. There is more profit in being a middle man than farmer.
    , @Malla

    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base.
     
    You are wrong. Samuel Roth (himself) Jewish wrote in his book Jews Must Live in Chapter 6

    "This attitude of the Jews towards manual labor is historic. The Jewish apologists have a neat explanation for it. In most of the countries of the Diaspora the Jews were not permitted to own land or to work on it. Nor were they permitted to work for Christians. And since Jewish merchants could give employment only to a fraction of the great numbers of young Jews, the rest had to turn for careers to salesmanship, money-lending and the other promoting aspects of trade. This does not explain why Jews have never, like other peoples, gone into a wilderness and built up a land of their own. Nor why in England, in the thirteenth century, under Edward I, they did not take advantage of the offer by which Edward promised to give them the very opportunities Jews had been crying for for centuries.

    After imprisoning the whole Jewish population in his domain for criminal usury and
    debasing the coin of the realm, Edward, before releasing them, put into effect two new sets of laws: the first made it illegal for a Jew in England to lend money at interest. The second repealed all the standing laws which kept Jews from the normal pursuits of the kingdom. Under these new statutes Jews could even lease land for a period of fifteen years and work it. Edward advanced this as a test of the Jew's sincerity when he claimed that all he wanted was an opportunity to work like other people. If they proved their fitness to live like other people, the inference was that Edward would let them buy land outright and admit them to the higher privileges of citizenship. Did the Jews take advantage of Edward's decree? This way. To get around the laws against usury they invented such new methods of skinning the peasants and the nobles that the outcry against them became greater than ever, and Edward had to expel them to avert a civil war. It was not recorded that one Jew took advantage of the new right to till the soil."

    , @byrresheim
    Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map.

    Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.

    So move on, there is nothing to see here.

    , @The Seneca Effect
    LOL. Okay, bro. You got me.

    I've only got a few minutes - but next time you're in Tel Aviv, take a walk through Rabin Square. You'll see an ugly monument to the Holocaust by Yigal Tumarkin, an inverted pyramid. That pyramid represents what the great Zionist Ber Borochov said about the Jews (specifically Ashkenazis) in exile - that unlike other nations, theirs had no peasant base, and so was unwieldy and bizarre and unproductive. Like most early Zionists, and unlike most keyboard defenders of the Jews, he didn't make excuses for his people.

    And as a bonus, since you've apparently never heard of degermanization campaigns, you can find a small example just by making a jaunt across town to the once flourishing agricultural community of Sarona. Peel yourself a juicy Jaffa orange and find out what happened there.

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  94. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Fairly so, I think. There are exceptions but its huge part of the culture these days, even when disguised. You'll know it when your dad begins to comment repeatedly: "You know, Mr. Cheng's son is only 27 and he's already making $90, 000 and you are almost thirty too..." and lets the silence speak the rest.

    As for the latter...

    The desire to "fit in" can be more difficult for some than most. While I largely despise Gordon Chang and his story is an extreme example, I think that self-hating attitude(which he extends to all of China, and is honestly a profitable gig) is one way to try to affirm what to him, may be a failing identity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwt2DGshpw

    Thank you. I’m not happy to say that a lot of my ideas about Chinese probably come from “Noble House” and “Tai Pan” books. The Chang fellow sounds almost inmature, even if he’s made a killing. (I’m a different Anon from the one you originally answered to, sorry about that.)

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  95. @Joe Wong
    Linh Dinh should know the current Vietnamese history was fabricated by the French and American for the purpose to sever the thousands of years of culture ties between Chinese and Vietnamese, so they can steal and colonized Indo-China including Vietnam forever.

    Vietnamese needs to get rid of their French imposed writing script and return to the writing script used their ancestors used, so they can read the real history of Vietnam instead of the toxic animosity filled French and American fabricated modern Vietnam history.

    The war between Chinese and the Vietnamese started long before white people showed up. The relationship is conquest, followed by rebellion. I would say that vietnam together with korea and Japan are part of the confucian civillisation, but not a part of China.

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  96. Because of my Chinese ex-wife I follow your posts rather carefully.. you realize you could get in trouble for publishing points of view like this.. ;)

    L’Achiam!
    Capt. Roy Harkness

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  97. @AaronB
    There are two sides to the Chinese character, if not more - Confucianism may be conservative, but Taoism is anarchic and radical, and it's a big part of the Chinese psyche.

    Singapore may be dull and repressive and organized, but the Chinese also love noisy and chaotic cities where hedonism and freedom from restraint and indulgence in pleasure hold sway. The Chinese drink a ton and are avid frequenters of prostitutes.

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative, and they are only radicals when it comes to their host population.

    This is true. The Chinese don’t even really work that hard, for an East Asian country. I don’t think its such a bad thing, though – the ability to enjoy chaos helps one cope with change.

    It also means that less time is wasted on fake “overtime” where nothing much is actually being accomplished.

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    . I don’t think its such a bad thing, though – the ability to enjoy chaos helps one cope with change
     
    And it just makes life more fun :) I admire that side of the Chinese character.

    Interesting point about working hours. That's a good sign, that bullshit work isn't socially necessary as a fiction.

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  98. AaronB says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Aaron B says:
    Being individualistic is also a huge liability – studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It’s quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined – a member of group, almost never..
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    Who says in an individualistic society you do not have social support for your opinions? Again, history shows no such thing. Individualism does not contradict uniformity of opinion, you can have plenty of both co-existing at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive. The rugged individualists of the American West had plenty of mutual support as they burnt out and massacred various Chinese settlements for example. Likewise the free-wheeling, free booting, hard-drinking subculture of Irish Americans has long been criticized for unbridled individualism- yet the Irish were also known for their collectivism when it came to the political sphere and often unstintingly supported the most corrupt governments in urban America- a sore point with assorted WASP critics.


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    The individual from a collectivist society “knows” – he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused
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    This may be so depending on how strong the alleged "collectivism" is, but your point fails to consider when a process of change, EMBEDDED IN WESTERN CULTURE ITSELF, causes loss of identity. In the case of the West, western culture itself has generated changes that leads to constant weakening of identity. The examples are old and many- from the rule of an imperial hegemon like Rome that weakens tribal identities, or the strong influence of a cultural hegemon like Hellenism (Greeks), to the influence of a uniform ideology- such as Christianity which also weakened old tribal bonds.

    Then there is the whole process of modernization, which also weakens the old tribal collectivist bonds. Hence once narrow-minded groups changed to consider themselves part of large aggregations such as Christians, Romans, Britons, Italians etc etc as is demonstrated by the new identities and fierce patriotism of the modern nation state. Likewise on a more internal plane, groups once seen as alien tribals, in time, lost their tribal identities and now consider themselves, and are now considered primarily to be, part of a larger identity grouping- called Americans.

    Also keep in mind that "rationalism" is something hailed as part and parcel of Western culture by conservatives, hearkening back of the Greeks, sacred paragons of Western culture. Sexual relations between boys and older men for example was viewed favorably in the hallowed, rational halls of Athenian thinkers. Matter of fact the famous "symposium" was a venue where such contacts were cultivated, and frequent, and the longest conversation if Plato's Symposium is on the nature of homosexual love. This is not something brought in by today's "liberals" or "Jewish interlopers."

    And not only the "effete" Athenians. Among the mighty Spartans it was quite the thing- and a key part of the bonding system of their military. In fact newly married Spartan women were sometimes known to dress as young boys on their wedding nights, perhaps inspiring their he-men husbands to greater efforts in bed. So some of the alleged "individualistic excesses" we see today may not be so "new" at all, but part and parcel of millennia of influential Western culture. They are not necessarily a "Jew" product.

    That’s a reasonable point, individualism may coexist in its earlier stages with collectivism.

    But it’s a process – I would say today Americans are far more atomized than they were in the 19th century, and it has lowered self confidence and led to demoralizing self-doubt.

    I was reading recently about the prisoner of war camps in the Korean War. A third of American soldiers signed confessions and cooperated with their captors, and many died from severe conditions – death in such situations is considered to be psychological – and their captors found it easy to create demoralizing leadership vacuums by seperating put the officers, who were not replaced.

    By contrast, the Koreans also had a large number of Turkish prisoners. None of them cooperated, and they survived almost to a man. Sick men would be spoon fed and closely tended by their comrades, and no matter how many times their officers were removed, the next lowest rank would become the leader.

    Not being hyper rationalistic, the Turks refused to be engaged in debate about values and responded with derision. Group unity made it easier to be self confident in their opinions. They were impervious to brainwashing.

    The Americans naively were willing to rationally analyze anything, and studies have shown that the first step in the brainwashing process is engaging the target in debate.

    The American Army concluded the released captives had serious character deficits and weak self identity and had been poorly indoctrinated in the values of their society.

    In short, they were merely reflections of American society, as the Turks were of theirs.

    Individualism and collectivism are absolute poles – most societies have some kind of balance between the two.

    The Japanese tend towards collectivism, famously, but you will find lots and lots of eccentrics and weird characters if you visit Japan, and the people can seem highly individually expressive in many situations and not the drab monotone many think, and Japanese culture has a tradition of eccentric Zen monks, wanderers, adventurers, roisterers, and sake swilling layabouts, that reveal a rich seam of anarchic individualism at the heart of Japanese society.

    The Chinese have a similar tradition – entire districts were crawling with eccentric hemits and recluses and wanderers, many of them former mandarins snd court officials.

    Regional identities merge into national identities – that’s not unique to the West. Happened in China too, and everywhere.

    But the centrifugal trend in America has recently been towards atomization and the breakup of any shared identity whatsoever, and the substitution of abstract principles in place of identity, principles that are negotiable and open to rational analysis.

    The result is that Americans live on quicksand, and are easy prey for any rogue with strong convictions.

    Of course American individualism had deep roots in Western culture and is not a “Jew product” – I dont agree with those silly people who think Jews alone created modern culture.

    You’d have to be really historically ignorant to believe that.

    But in overcoming modernity, it may make rhetorical and psychological sense for whites to “externalize” it as a creation of the Jews, and thus “non-white”, foreign, alien.

    Don’t underestimate the rhetorical uses of obvious untruths and the psychological role they may play in the revitalization of a nation. It’s called a “myth” – and they’re necessary lies based on an element of truth that reflect reality in a deeper way.

    Jews aligned themselves with modernity and unfairly exploited it, though they didn’t create it, and that gives the new myth resonance and symbolism.

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    Do you remember the book name on American and Turkish POW's during the Korean War?

    Long time ago I read a review of memoirs by Australian POW's but now I can't locate it. I remember that Australians found American individualistic behavior devoid of solidarity in POW camp despicable. It is interesting that the same behavior is extolled in Clavell's novel King Rat where the ultimate surviver lives by wheeling and dealing that often exploits other prisoners.
    , @Malla
    As an Indian living in a collectivist society, your analysis is spot on. One of the many reasons I support White nationalism is because I find it unfair and unjust that the individualistc, rationalistic, universalist people are the one's suffering the risk of loss of land and even genocide while the clannish, collectivist, racist (yes, we non Whites are super racist but your libtard crackpot will not accept that) non Whites are getting an advantage.
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  99. bandw says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    Very interesting observation. The Germans are also a pragmatic people.

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  100. AaronB says:
    @Sherman
    You seem pretty stupid.

    It probably doesn't take much to "undermine" your "self-confidence".

    Ah, too close for comfort :)

    Don’t worrh, my Jewish half-brother, when it is all over, you will feel a sense of relief. You had a good run, and for a while, you guys did well. But everything ends. Accept it gracefully.

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  101. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is true. The Chinese don't even really work that hard, for an East Asian country. I don't think its such a bad thing, though - the ability to enjoy chaos helps one cope with change.

    It also means that less time is wasted on fake "overtime" where nothing much is actually being accomplished.

    https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12785_where_the_most_workers_put_in_a_60_hour_week_n.jpg

    . I don’t think its such a bad thing, though – the ability to enjoy chaos helps one cope with change

    And it just makes life more fun :) I admire that side of the Chinese character.

    Interesting point about working hours. That’s a good sign, that bullshit work isn’t socially necessary as a fiction.

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  102. Culturally, I’ve always considered Vietnam as Southeast Asian, as do most Westerners, but my latest understanding is that the Vietnamese view themselves as bridging East and Southeast Asia – sort of like how the Czechs view themselves as a bridge between Core Europe and Eastern Europe. Most Vietnamese I’ve met tend to relate more to the Chinese rather than other SE Asians. Some of them downright look down at other SE Asians. One of them I knew has bothered to no end by the fact that Thailand was doing so much better than Vietnam economically (although this was back in the 90’s).

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    Most Vietnamese I’ve met tend to relate more to the Chinese rather than other SE Asians. Some of them downright look down at other SE Asians.
     
    Asian view them SEAsian, not East Asian or Chinese, although i notice most of their elites are Chinese ethics like Thailand. And they are quite smart and technology savvy, but mostly can't or speak poor English. Thailand is definitely more advance than Viet.

    You may be mixing with only those rich educated one in US. I haven't come across any average Vietnamese(i mix with a big group) look down on SE Asians or want to have slightest link to China they hate, as Vietnam is still in such poverty compare to most SE Asians, numerous poor girls still dreaming to marry out. Of course there are always exceptional few due to character, while some rich one will look down practically on anyone.

    In Singapore & Malaysia, there are shops where Vietnamese young girls sit and let old men select as wife for a small fees. And many young one still work as illegal prostitute in SEAsia out of poverty like Thai.
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  103. Interesting article. To be sure there are a lot of similarities as well as difference between the Chinese and the Jews. Some of their key similarities are:
    - both are good in business
    - both place high emphasis on education and family
    - both are clannish, though the Jews much more so than the Chinese
    - both tend to be the successful minority group wherever they land
    - both are dishonest and untrustworthy

    But the similarity ends there. IMO the single biggest difference between the Jews and the Chinese is this:

    The Jews are idealistic to a fault, while the Chinese are the exact opposite, pragmatic to a fault.

    The Jews started or dominated Judeo-Christianism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Zionism, Liberalism, Hedonism, Hippism, Tribalism, Cronyism, Neoconservatism, dominate Capitalism, basically invented every fecking -ism in the world, while the only -ism that stuck with the Chinese is Pragmatism.

    I think a lot of this is due to the Jewish intelligence being mainly verbal, while the Chinese intelligence being mainly spatial/mathematical.

    But this key difference is the reason why Jews tend to get involved in politics, the law, media, academia, while the Chinese tend to steer clear of those fields and concentrate in business or engineering. A perfect example is in Malaysia, where the Chinese have been highly discriminated for 5 decades, yet they rarely make a fuss, continue to keep their heads down, work hard, and look for ways to emigrate rather than try to get into politics to change their predicament. The Jews under similar circumstance would’ve organized and tried to take over the governments in these countries. Perhaps it’s as Alan Dershowitz said, Jews have Chutzpah, which makes them much more confrontational, while the Chinese eschew confrontations.

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    Orwellian State says:
    The Jews are idealistic to a fault, while the Chinese are the exact opposite, pragmatic to a fault.

    This is too broad brush a statement. The Jews are very, very pragmatic. Hence the Jewish money lender in medieval times was not squeamish about doing business with anyone, even the abbeys, churches and monasteries, his religious enemies that attacked Jews vigorously as part of their religious spiel. Several of these religious organizations were in such debt that they had to appeal to the kings to unilaterally cancel their debts owed to Jews. As long as the coin was real gold or silver, the pragmatic Jew would do bidniss. Other than that, you are correct as to Jewish verbal intelligence etc. But also keep in mind that the Jews have been much closer to the main currents of Western culture, via the key area of the Middle East, and then the Mediterranean zone. And you are correct that the Chinese generally are not as confrontational.


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    Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play. Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.

    The Chinese are no more unethical than white Europeans, as the trail of broken treaties with each other, as well as indigenous non-European peoples well attest. In Europe itself the "perfidious" in "perfidious Albion" pretty much sums up the a lot of history, and not just Britain's. The Chinese are just not as hypocritical about their bait and switch as Europeans.


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    Malla says:
    The mighty gun-power of China and Russia is trained against them, and so is the vast moneypower of America (which paid for Russian and Chinese armaments in the first place and seems itself to be drifting toward a Communist takeover). In the operations room at the House of Helots (U.N.) the attack on South West (today’s Namibia) is next on the drawing board.

    This is nothing special. The revolutionaries had to get arms and money from somewhere. If the Chinese were willing to help, then hey- people would take the help. Politics 101. The Soviets were glad to take aid from the Western capitalists and imperialists when the Germans were cleaning their clocks in WW2. Likewise the US was glad to supply aid to communist guerrillas in the Balkans to tie down enemy troops, and was glad to supply aid to Mao in China and aid to one Nguyen Ai Quoc, aka Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam, for the same service. Said US was also happy to reeive aid from the French when fighting Britain for independence.


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    byrresheim says:
    Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map. Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies. There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.

    Sure there were mass expulsions of Germans after the war in the East. After the Fuehrer's massive "cleansing" operations against Poles, Slavs and other uttermensch, it was too late in the day for chivalry when the war ended. As thou sowest, so shalt thou reap.
    , @denk

    both are dishonest and untrustworthy
     
    Paled face speaking in forked tongue,

    just ask the Indians !

    hhhhhhh
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  104. @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    Interesting comparisons between the Chinese and the Germans. To be sure they do have some similarities as you mentioned, especially with regards to their pragmatism. But there are also some major differences, for example:

    - the Chinese are known for their dishonesty, while the Germans are known for their honesty
    - Chinese societies are chaotic, dirty, loud, noisy, disorderly
    - German societies are clean, orderly, quiet, efficient
    - Germans are into precision, with great attention to details. Chinese are sloppy, and try to get away with whatever they can get away with
    - Germans are a lot more introverted than the Chinese. They make the Chinese look like Italians.

    I see a lot of parallels between the Germans and the Japanese.

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    Could we say
    Japanese=Northern Europeans
    Chinese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Vietnamese=Turks
    Other South East Asians=Arabs/Middle Easterners
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans

    Strange parallels if we go North to South in the European longitude zone and the East Asian longitude zone.
    Of course where does one put Koreans? Mongols? Siberians in Russia? Ainu?
    And is these any such difference in between Northern and Southern Chinese. Many early European traders wrote of Northern Chinese being more honest and introvert than Southern Chinese. Any truth in this?
    The Indian subcontinent would be akin to South America with India being the Brazil.
    , @Malla
    Very true, it is the Japanese who the most similar to Anglo-Teutons-Scandinavians.
    However when compared to most Asians outside North East Asia (South East Asians, Indian subcontinentals, Middle Easterners) the Chinese are really comparable to Germans. The rest of the people of Asia are even more chaotic, dirty, noisy and disorderly.
    The Bhutanese are quite an orderly, clean, honest and gentlemanly people and by Middle Eastern standards, Iranians are more disciplined. I do not know how Iranians compare with the Chinese in orderliness and lack of 'tragedy of the commons'. I do not know how Central Asians like the Uzbeks, Kyrgyz etc... compare as well. How do the Uighurs compare to the Han withing the PRC in such civilized characteristics?
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  105. renfro says:
    @The Seneca Effect
    Chinese are not like Jews. In the West, it is the Germans that they share most affinity with. Jews have been in galuth for a long time. They have no peasantry. It was a driving force for the Zionists, this realization that they could not be a true landed nation without this. Peasant types were mocked and scorned (understand why Haaretz is named as it is) in Jewry, as opposed to Germany and China, where they were looked at as the bedrock of the nation-state.

    Germans prospered everywhere they went, not just in Europe, but globally. They retained their language, their rituals, their familial culture, just like the Chinese. They were not averse to intermarrying with the locals, like the Chinese, and unlike the Jews and Hindus, but culturally they kept apart, and found themselves superior to the lazy locals surrounding them. They were an historical people (i.e. seeing themselves as playing a role in history), like the Chinese. Their respective populations were equally at home farming, working in mines, or making shoes, and did not deign to refuse to work in particular fields. Popular unrest could be stirred up against them (Russia, the Baltic states, etc...), as it is the Chinese (Indonesia, the Philippines, etc...), due to the jealousy inherent to their success among indigenous. As in Bien Hoa, the Germans were invited to Poland, to Chile, to Russia, etc...to work and bring about prosperity.

    Internationally, in the aftermath of two (race) wars against them, Germans have been wiped off of the map, both physically and spiritually. From Russia to the United States, from Guatemala to Estonia, from Cameroon to Papua New Guinea, their contributions and prosperity have been erased, and very few recognize that the foundations they make their livings on are due to the previous industriousness of the Germans.

    This ridiculous trope about the Jews being like the Chinese, and vice versa, is spouted by superficial academics (e.g. Amy Chua) and such, particularly Jews, in a bid to show a link between successful peoples and turn it into self-praise, or as some type of talismanic assurance that hey, you can't juggernaut us, we're like you, ha ha ha. That's all fine, until the struggle for resources becomes more glaring.

    The worldwide Chinese will not be as easy to dislodge as the Germans were.

    Amy Chua is married to a Jew, Jed Rubenfeld.

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  106. utu says:
    @AaronB
    That's a reasonable point, individualism may coexist in its earlier stages with collectivism.

    But it's a process - I would say today Americans are far more atomized than they were in the 19th century, and it has lowered self confidence and led to demoralizing self-doubt.

    I was reading recently about the prisoner of war camps in the Korean War. A third of American soldiers signed confessions and cooperated with their captors, and many died from severe conditions - death in such situations is considered to be psychological - and their captors found it easy to create demoralizing leadership vacuums by seperating put the officers, who were not replaced.

    By contrast, the Koreans also had a large number of Turkish prisoners. None of them cooperated, and they survived almost to a man. Sick men would be spoon fed and closely tended by their comrades, and no matter how many times their officers were removed, the next lowest rank would become the leader.

    Not being hyper rationalistic, the Turks refused to be engaged in debate about values and responded with derision. Group unity made it easier to be self confident in their opinions. They were impervious to brainwashing.

    The Americans naively were willing to rationally analyze anything, and studies have shown that the first step in the brainwashing process is engaging the target in debate.

    The American Army concluded the released captives had serious character deficits and weak self identity and had been poorly indoctrinated in the values of their society.

    In short, they were merely reflections of American society, as the Turks were of theirs.

    Individualism and collectivism are absolute poles - most societies have some kind of balance between the two.

    The Japanese tend towards collectivism, famously, but you will find lots and lots of eccentrics and weird characters if you visit Japan, and the people can seem highly individually expressive in many situations and not the drab monotone many think, and Japanese culture has a tradition of eccentric Zen monks, wanderers, adventurers, roisterers, and sake swilling layabouts, that reveal a rich seam of anarchic individualism at the heart of Japanese society.

    The Chinese have a similar tradition - entire districts were crawling with eccentric hemits and recluses and wanderers, many of them former mandarins snd court officials.

    Regional identities merge into national identities - that's not unique to the West. Happened in China too, and everywhere.

    But the centrifugal trend in America has recently been towards atomization and the breakup of any shared identity whatsoever, and the substitution of abstract principles in place of identity, principles that are negotiable and open to rational analysis.

    The result is that Americans live on quicksand, and are easy prey for any rogue with strong convictions.

    Of course American individualism had deep roots in Western culture and is not a "Jew product" - I dont agree with those silly people who think Jews alone created modern culture.

    You'd have to be really historically ignorant to believe that.

    But in overcoming modernity, it may make rhetorical and psychological sense for whites to "externalize" it as a creation of the Jews, and thus "non-white", foreign, alien.

    Don't underestimate the rhetorical uses of obvious untruths and the psychological role they may play in the revitalization of a nation. It's called a "myth" - and they're necessary lies based on an element of truth that reflect reality in a deeper way.

    Jews aligned themselves with modernity and unfairly exploited it, though they didn't create it, and that gives the new myth resonance and symbolism.

    Do you remember the book name on American and Turkish POW’s during the Korean War?

    Long time ago I read a review of memoirs by Australian POW’s but now I can’t locate it. I remember that Australians found American individualistic behavior devoid of solidarity in POW camp despicable. It is interesting that the same behavior is extolled in Clavell’s novel King Rat where the ultimate surviver lives by wheeling and dealing that often exploits other prisoners.

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    Sure utu,

    Peter Watson - war on the mind
    Denise Win - the manipulated mind
    James c. Scott - domination and the arts of resistance.

    All discuss the Korean war prisoner situation, if somewhat briefly. All fascinating books in their own right.

    Available for download at gen.lib.rus.ec
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  107. renfro says:
    @republic
    A Jesuit priest of Jewish origin, Alexandre de Rhodes help create the Vietnamese alphabet in the 17th century.

    I cant find anything to certify that Alexandre de Rhodes was jewish born. OTOH He was quite against Jews and Judaism while in Asia, preaching that the Jews killed Christ and etc..

    Here’s the information.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Yd_NBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT209&lpg=PT209&dq=Alexandre+de+Rhodes+not+jewish&source=bl&ots=O8-h_RHXd8&sig=kBquVU9Tlej8hju8hHr36svXeEY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRycm3vJXZAhXqzIMKHb4EBMoQ6AEISjAI#v=onepage&q=Alexandre%20de%20Rhodes%20not%20jewish&f=false

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  108. utu says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived "dual loyalties." It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous "Chinatowns" all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.


    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not "race" wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little "racial" difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering "racial" differences. And since when have Germans been "wiped off the mat?" This is even more laughable, unless you are equating "true Germans" with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.

    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban

    Not true. They had plenty opportunity to go into farming but never did. There is more profit in being a middle man than farmer.

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    Jews were forbidden to own land in those societies, but farming was largely done by landless laborers, sharecroppers, and tenants.
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  109. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    I think it's because Chinese are people with a home, whereas Jews are not. Overseas Chinese usually arrived because China was particularly bad at the time, and they're quite open to returning if the tides change.

    A good reason to support Israel!

    A good reason to support Israel!

    On Mars even better.

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    A good reason to support Israel!
     
    On Mars even better.
     
    Maybe that's why Elon Musk is working so hard to start a colony on Mars. Let's ship all the Jews, Muslims and blacks there, so we can have some peace.
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  110. Linh Dinh is a great writer and I love his personal insight, so I’ll add a little spice from my blog about Chinese.

    April 1, 2011 – Why South Vietnam Lost

    My blogs about Fletcher Prouty’s great book “JFK” failed to mention what he considered the key mistakes of the Vietnam war, which occurred before American combat forces arrived, when all decisions were made by the CIA. I found these interesting because few authors mention them, and none considered them vital:

    1. The CIA believed that French colonial rule must be immediately dismantled. While colonialism had evil roots, it had progressive elements. For example, the French established a justice system of provincial police and courts. While village chiefs handled local matters, the French colonial administration dealt with serious criminals, rural gangs, and resolved disputes between villages. As soon as the Americans arrived, they instantly deported all Frenchmen and fired thousands of supporting colonial Vietnamese police and support personnel. Nothing replaced their vital role, leaving the poorly trained and corrupt new South Vietnamese Army to deal with the resulting turmoil.

    2. Since China had become a communist state, all ethic Chinese in Vietnam were viewed as communist sympathizers. Ironically, the Chinese were the merchant class of Vietnam who operated a system of free trade. Villagers produced rice and mountain vegetables, which they traded for metal tools, medicine, and luxury items. Once the evil Chinese were deported, South Vietnam’s traditional system of trade halted. Villagers could not obtain basic items, while food shortages developed in cities while food rotted in rural areas because trade arrangements ended.

    3. People from North Vietnam are different from those in the South. They are taller and more Chinese in appearance, and speak with a different accent. After the split of North and South Vietnam in 1954, the USA installed an exiled Catholic, Ngo Dinh Diem, as President. The CIA thought it could weaken the North by arranging a mass exodus of “anti-communists” from the North. A million North Vietnamese were encouraged to flee southward after a massive propaganda campaign warned of life under communism. The USA devoted tremendous resources flying and shipping these people southward.

    These refugees were dumped in groups to form new villages in the South after the army seized private land. This angered the Southerners, while the old French court system no longer existed to resolve disputes. Most of the refugees were Catholics, whom Diem favored, so he awarded most government posts and military commands to these “foreigners.” Thus, the new South Vietnamese army was led by North Vietnamese, who settled rural disputes in favor of their fellow refugees. Finally, the new communist regime in the North used the chaotic exodus to send thousands of secret agents into the South, who landed jobs in the government and army.

    As a result of these actions, the American effort to create the nation of South Vietnam destroyed its established colonial judicial system, deported its Chinese traders, and imported a million Northerners who seized land and organized a corrupt government filled with communist agents. This turmoil provided millions of recruits for the Viet Cong revolutionaries, who most Southerners supported against the foreign dominated government and army of South Vietnam. The CIA solution was the formation of a huge army, which was filled by conscripts who were literally kidnapped from villages. This resulted in chaos, and the solution was — send in the U.S. Marines! No amount of American aid and military power could undo this political tragedy formulated by the CIA.

    Also, this video about the Chinese taking over Vancouver is of interest, and how the new immigrants have nothing in common with descendants of Chinese immigrants:

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  111. Malla says:
    @MarkinPNW
    Well, Russian defector and dissident Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB agent, claimed that 85% of the KGB budget was spent to culturally and morally undermine the west. When he defected, he insisted on settling in Canada because he did "not trust the CIA in the US." Makes one wonder if he knew even more than he publically disclosed, and that the CIA was infiltrated by or otherwise in cahoots with the KGB to destroy US and Western society.

    Yes I have seen Bezmenov’s video interviews. What is even more interesting is that the Soviet Union and many of it’s Eastern European satellites started rejecting some of the ugly art and culture destroying elements of the early Bolsheviks with time. This could be because of the rising power of Russians and other ethnics at the expense of Jews. This cultural phenomenon was called ‘Social Realism’. Ugly art was (similar to Cubism, modern art etc…) was rejected by healthy beautiful art even though the state message was Communism. While on the other hand the West was going in the opposite direction via phenomenon called ‘Cultural Marxism’, creating an ironical situation where the Communist East was now doing a better job of preserving many aspects of traditional European/Central Asian culture while in the West traditional European/Western society was under attack by the media, education system, judiciary etc… The CIA was actively trying to thwart this Social Realism movement. Imagine that. A supposedly free Christian country trying to thwart something like that.
    The soul of the Communist movement worldwide was always in the West, in the corridors of Wall street and early Jewish ghettos.

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  112. SomeGuy says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the rent on a two bedroom in Saigon? Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you're a broke ass?

    Why anyone would want to interact with frigid primitive third world women that have cash registers for souls is beyond me…

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  113. Malla says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived "dual loyalties." It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous "Chinatowns" all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.


    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not "race" wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little "racial" difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering "racial" differences. And since when have Germans been "wiped off the mat?" This is even more laughable, unless you are equating "true Germans" with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.

    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base.

    You are wrong. Samuel Roth (himself) Jewish wrote in his book Jews Must Live in Chapter 6

    “This attitude of the Jews towards manual labor is historic. The Jewish apologists have a neat explanation for it. In most of the countries of the Diaspora the Jews were not permitted to own land or to work on it. Nor were they permitted to work for Christians. And since Jewish merchants could give employment only to a fraction of the great numbers of young Jews, the rest had to turn for careers to salesmanship, money-lending and the other promoting aspects of trade. This does not explain why Jews have never, like other peoples, gone into a wilderness and built up a land of their own. Nor why in England, in the thirteenth century, under Edward I, they did not take advantage of the offer by which Edward promised to give them the very opportunities Jews had been crying for for centuries.

    After imprisoning the whole Jewish population in his domain for criminal usury and
    debasing the coin of the realm, Edward, before releasing them, put into effect two new sets of laws: the first made it illegal for a Jew in England to lend money at interest. The second repealed all the standing laws which kept Jews from the normal pursuits of the kingdom. Under these new statutes Jews could even lease land for a period of fifteen years and work it. Edward advanced this as a test of the Jew’s sincerity when he claimed that all he wanted was an opportunity to work like other people. If they proved their fitness to live like other people, the inference was that Edward would let them buy land outright and admit them to the higher privileges of citizenship. Did the Jews take advantage of Edward’s decree? This way. To get around the laws against usury they invented such new methods of skinning the peasants and the nobles that the outcry against them became greater than ever, and Edward had to expel them to avert a civil war. It was not recorded that one Jew took advantage of the new right to till the soil.”

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    Sorry, I forgot to give the link
    https://archive.org/download/JewsMustLive/JML.pdf
    , @EnrriqueCardova
    Malla says:
    I can understand your point, you are correct. You keep on posting how the Whites are just as bad as anybody. But compared to the standards of the rest of the world where clannishness is basic norm, Western societies and peoples have shown more incidents of self criticism than most other societies.
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    What you say is basically accurate. Just wanted to point out how misguided the notion is of the perfect West, where all is pious merit, openness, free inquiry, free markets, impartial justice and sweetness and light. Its like the Irish back in the day who condemned Chinese "clannishness" even as they produced some of the most clannish and corrupt political behavior in the US.


    .
    "The second repealed all the standing laws which kept Jews from the normal pursuits of the kingdom. Under these new statutes Jews could even lease land for a period of fifteen years and work it."

    @ malla
    But notice the limitations slapped on the Jew n your example. He could only lease land up to 15 years, not own it outright and pass it on to his descendants. This confirms my point that the Jews were never able to establish a substantial land base in their disaporan scattering. They had to go urban to stay afloat, just as the Chinese in the US had to go urban to say afloat when whites drove them out of agriculture, mining and other rural associated venues. When they did get a chance for SIGNIFICANT land ownership they took advantage of it.

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  114. SomeGuy says:
    @AaronB
    I've done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage - moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and "assume" the superior pose.

    I don't know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate - thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans - if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it's easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability - studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It's quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined - a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society "knows" - he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can't really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

    If they speak English they must’ve learned from jews.

    Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play.

    Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.

    Needless to say, places where everybody jews each other hard are shitty ones to live in so they migrate elsewhere where they can make use of people that have better social norms.

    Typical shylock type behavior that got Chinese people shoa’d more than once:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vietnamese-tourist-kneels-and-begs-for-refund-of-iphone-6-at-sim-lim-square-0

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    I'm sure they adapt their tactics to the situation. There is no "Chinese style" of doing business anymore than there is a "Jewish style" (in the immutable unchanging sense. In the proximate sense there very much is).

    Local conditions dictate your tactics, and what is possible.
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  115. Malla says:
    @Malla

    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base.
     
    You are wrong. Samuel Roth (himself) Jewish wrote in his book Jews Must Live in Chapter 6

    "This attitude of the Jews towards manual labor is historic. The Jewish apologists have a neat explanation for it. In most of the countries of the Diaspora the Jews were not permitted to own land or to work on it. Nor were they permitted to work for Christians. And since Jewish merchants could give employment only to a fraction of the great numbers of young Jews, the rest had to turn for careers to salesmanship, money-lending and the other promoting aspects of trade. This does not explain why Jews have never, like other peoples, gone into a wilderness and built up a land of their own. Nor why in England, in the thirteenth century, under Edward I, they did not take advantage of the offer by which Edward promised to give them the very opportunities Jews had been crying for for centuries.

    After imprisoning the whole Jewish population in his domain for criminal usury and
    debasing the coin of the realm, Edward, before releasing them, put into effect two new sets of laws: the first made it illegal for a Jew in England to lend money at interest. The second repealed all the standing laws which kept Jews from the normal pursuits of the kingdom. Under these new statutes Jews could even lease land for a period of fifteen years and work it. Edward advanced this as a test of the Jew's sincerity when he claimed that all he wanted was an opportunity to work like other people. If they proved their fitness to live like other people, the inference was that Edward would let them buy land outright and admit them to the higher privileges of citizenship. Did the Jews take advantage of Edward's decree? This way. To get around the laws against usury they invented such new methods of skinning the peasants and the nobles that the outcry against them became greater than ever, and Edward had to expel them to avert a civil war. It was not recorded that one Jew took advantage of the new right to till the soil."

    Sorry, I forgot to give the link

    https://archive.org/download/JewsMustLive/JML.pdf

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  116. Truth says:
    @AaronB
    There are two sides to the Chinese character, if not more - Confucianism may be conservative, but Taoism is anarchic and radical, and it's a big part of the Chinese psyche.

    Singapore may be dull and repressive and organized, but the Chinese also love noisy and chaotic cities where hedonism and freedom from restraint and indulgence in pleasure hold sway. The Chinese drink a ton and are avid frequenters of prostitutes.

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative, and they are only radicals when it comes to their host population.

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative,

    You sure you’re feeling OK?

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    You sure you’re feeling OK?
     
    I guess he means Hasidic Jews/Ultra orthodox Jews. Liberal Jews are definitely not conservative, indeed they have played a big part in destroying conservatism and they themselves got infected by the liberal disease they helped spread on others. Some Jews like Prager are trying to right that wrong.
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  117. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Culturally, I’ve always considered Vietnam as Southeast Asian, as do most Westerners, but my latest understanding is that the Vietnamese view themselves as bridging East and Southeast Asia - sort of like how the Czechs view themselves as a bridge between Core Europe and Eastern Europe. Most Vietnamese I’ve met tend to relate more to the Chinese rather than other SE Asians. Some of them downright look down at other SE Asians. One of them I knew has bothered to no end by the fact that Thailand was doing so much better than Vietnam economically (although this was back in the 90’s).

    Most Vietnamese I’ve met tend to relate more to the Chinese rather than other SE Asians. Some of them downright look down at other SE Asians.

    Asian view them SEAsian, not East Asian or Chinese, although i notice most of their elites are Chinese ethics like Thailand. And they are quite smart and technology savvy, but mostly can’t or speak poor English. Thailand is definitely more advance than Viet.

    You may be mixing with only those rich educated one in US. I haven’t come across any average Vietnamese(i mix with a big group) look down on SE Asians or want to have slightest link to China they hate, as Vietnam is still in such poverty compare to most SE Asians, numerous poor girls still dreaming to marry out. Of course there are always exceptional few due to character, while some rich one will look down practically on anyone.

    In Singapore & Malaysia, there are shops where Vietnamese young girls sit and let old men select as wife for a small fees. And many young one still work as illegal prostitute in SEAsia out of poverty like Thai.

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  118. Malla says:
    @Orwellian State
    Interesting comparisons between the Chinese and the Germans. To be sure they do have some similarities as you mentioned, especially with regards to their pragmatism. But there are also some major differences, for example:

    - the Chinese are known for their dishonesty, while the Germans are known for their honesty
    - Chinese societies are chaotic, dirty, loud, noisy, disorderly
    - German societies are clean, orderly, quiet, efficient
    - Germans are into precision, with great attention to details. Chinese are sloppy, and try to get away with whatever they can get away with
    - Germans are a lot more introverted than the Chinese. They make the Chinese look like Italians.

    I see a lot of parallels between the Germans and the Japanese.

    Could we say
    Japanese=Northern Europeans
    Chinese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Vietnamese=Turks
    Other South East Asians=Arabs/Middle Easterners
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans

    Strange parallels if we go North to South in the European longitude zone and the East Asian longitude zone.
    Of course where does one put Koreans? Mongols? Siberians in Russia? Ainu?
    And is these any such difference in between Northern and Southern Chinese. Many early European traders wrote of Northern Chinese being more honest and introvert than Southern Chinese. Any truth in this?
    The Indian subcontinent would be akin to South America with India being the Brazil.

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    I would agree in principle but I would adjust it a bit.
    Japanese=Aryans
    Chinese/Koreans=Central European/Slavs
    Vietnamese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Other South East Asians=Turks
    Indonesian=Arabs
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans
    Indians=Cannot compare to anything, they are Indians for both sides.
    , @Anon
    Just to keep the comparatives within the Euro-Africa latitudes:

    Japanese=Germans
    Northern Chinese=British
    Southern Chinese=French/Mediterraneans
    Mongols=Turkic Eastern Europeans/Kazakhstan
    Koreans=Austrians
    Vietnamese=Spanish
    Thai Elites=South African whites
    Thais=South African blacks
    Malays=Saudi Arabians
    Indonesians=Iraqis
    Filipinos=Moroccans
    Laotians=Ukrainians
    Cambodians=Zimbabweans
    Indians=Egyptians
    Pakistanis=Libyans
    Burmese=Algerians
    Bangladeshis=Somalians
    Sri Lankans=Tunisians
    , @myself
    Mongolians and Manchurians = Vikings
    Japanese = Teutons
    Han Chinese = Roman-Macedonians
    Koreans = Gauls and Briton Celts
    Vietnamese = Phoenicians
    South East Asians = Aztecs-Incas
    Aboriginals = Sub Saharans
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  119. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Lol. Malla, you used to be very factual and i learn much from your comments about China and India. Now that im stating facts, how can i be Chinese nationalist when im from anti China country?

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.

    Instead of building infrastructure for its badly needed people, India chosen to waste so much on war machines and building roads for border wars, benefiting only few corrupted people and MIC.

    No, what I really meant is that if you talk with people in the streets of India or in one of our elite engineering institutes, that is what you will hear, that India is a peaceful country and never invaded anybody but is repeated eyed jealously by foreigners like the British, Mughals, Pakistanis, Chinese etc… All states have state propaganda and brainwash their own citizens in tha propaganda. Even the Western governments do that but a bigger percentage of people in the West criticize and question the actions of their own countries.

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.

    Well Chine did invade Vietnam in the past.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

    It bullied Vietnam as far as the Spartly Islands are concerned

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish

    I am not saying China does not have an explanation for the above but the Chinese nationalists should realize that Vietnam has it’s own interest and so does India and calling the exercise of such interests as being a sucker to ‘Imperialists’ is plain wrong. Similarly Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc… have their own interests as sovereign powers and if they want better relationships with the PRC, they have the right to. Indian nationalists do not understand this.

    Also Chinese nationalists being brought up on Communist theory throw the word Imperialist around but they would be aghast to know that Indian media calls the Chinese as evil Imperialists.
    The Chinese are not the only ones who can throw that term around.

    http://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/cpec-obor-protestors-opposition-gilgit-baltistan-disputed-territory/61044

    ‘Chinese Imperialism’: CPEC faces stiff opposition from protesters in Gilgit

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/after-obor-gets-ready-pakistan-will-become-chinas-colony-s-akbar-zaidi/articleshow/59100114.cms

    After OBOR gets ready, Pakistan will become China’s colony: S Akbar Zaidi

    I think comparing the OBOR with imperialism is a bit far fetched, I am not saying calling China Imperialist is completely justified, am just saying that the term imperialist can be thrown around by non Chinese too and against the PRC itself.

    Besides that China did interfere in Africa against the Portuguese Empire, Rhodesia and South Africa. You might say that China was helping exploited people fight exploiters, but the reality on the ground was very different. Anyways Communist China had no right to interfere in a place so far away into the activities of other sovereign powers.
    I will provide links to this in connected post.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.

    I am not denying India does behave in an imperialist fashion. India did absorb the Kingdom of Sikkim but as far as Pakistan is concerned, after the liberation of Bangladesh, India did not absorb Bangladesh. I do not see India conquering Pakistan land. Indeed India returned land it had conquered from Pakistan back to Pakistan, land conquered by the Indian army in earlier Indo Pakistan wars. India repeatedly blames Pakistan for interfering in Indian Kashmir and China supports Pakistan. How can China which blames the whole world for interfering in it’s internal affairs as far as Tibet and Xinjiang are concerned, support a country Pakistan which India accuses of interfering in it’s own internal affairs??

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    Check this out, PRC interference in Africa.

    From

    https://archive.org/stream/TheSiegeOfSouthernAfrica/siege_djvu.txt

    A prominent Black leader in, South Africa, Chief Kaizer Matanzima of the Transkei, also warned African States supporting terrorism to “mind their own business”, and all responsible Black men in Southern Africa, knowing well that they are the potential victims of “liberation”, feel like this, and often say so. Chief Gatsha Buthelezi even made himself highly unpopular in Communist quarters by his remark and was the object of organized hostile student demonstrations when he visited Dar es Salaam, the Chinese headquarters in Africa and the base of Chinese arms supply.

    …snip….

    One was the regrouping of the tribespeople in protected villages, and I saw many of them along this road and later in the east and southeast, where other Chinese-motivated and Soviet-motivated groups of terrorists still made desultory forays across the border. The aldeamentos, or protected villages, were a good answer to the menace in one way: they did guard the people from the arsonists and abductors who plagued them when they lived in isolated groups. A disadvantage is
    that the Black tribesman clings tenaciously to the soil he knows, however perilous, and dislikes to be separated by distance from his land.

    …snip….

    In Angola they are engaged, as they well know, in a war which they cannot militarily win because it is not a war at all, in any sense in which the word was ever used in history. It is an international conspiracy in which half the governments of the world join, wearing the mocking mask of moral indignation: Russian and Chinese Communists, American Quakers, British Socialists, Norwegian,
    Swedish and German Socialists.
    It can go on as long as hireling murderers can be enlisted by the promise of loot, women, private vengeance and political appointments. It can go on as long as America, Russia, China, “the satellite States”, Cuba and Algeria flood Africa with arms for these hirelings, and as long as the Socialist party in England and the Roosevelt school in America lavish
    money on them.

    …snip….

    I was able to travel through and to fly over the area called Centenary (I never learned which centenary: Rhodesia is not a hundred years old) on the north-western border where the hired killers with their landmines and weapons were galvanized into sudden activity by their Chinese masters in far-off, safe Lusaka and Dar-es-Salaam in late 1973 and early 1974.

    …snip….

    I wondered too whether any Chinese ever asked themselves why their country was killing people, unknown to them, thousands of miles away. If any do so, they presumably find the answer in the Thoughts of Chairman Mao. Around this hospital, on the bare ground, lay the families of these amputees. They dared not return to their villages, if anything remained of them, so they came to Tete and lay down on the ground around the hospital, hoping, I supposed, that food and shelter might some day, somehow, reach them.

    Thus the weapons, the worldwide clamour of chiefs and elders and the slavish mob, the troops (not the wretched Bakongo and Maconde killers but the thirty thousand Chinese so far assembled as railway workers, technical advisers and the like) in Zambia and Tanzania, the whole machine of the liberalist world revolution has been set up for the purposes of destroying Mozambique and extending the territory of the world revolution in Africa. But what of the other essential: money!
    , @Malla
    More
    BTW Cabora Bassa project was a dam being built by the Portuguese Empire in Mozambique part of it's project to modernize Mozambique further.

    https://archive.org/stream/TheSiegeOfSouthernAfrica/siege_djvu.txt

    On Mozambique

    Above all, they have calmly gone ahead with the Cabora Bassa project, one of the greatest hydro-electric undertakings in the world. This place, when I was there, was already one of the wonders of the world, with machines like prehistoric monsters crawling along miles of lit streets burrowed through the mountain. Work was ahead of schedule and is due to be completed in 1975, when Mozambique hopes to supply services to its African neighbours.

    Cabora Bassa is only a few miles from Tete, the most dangerous area of Mozambique, but work went on there as if all the world were at peace. Cabora Bassa is said to be strongly guarded, though no open signs of this meet the traveller’s eyes. It has never yet been attacked by the murder gangs: whether from fear or by order of their Chinese masters, who might hope to take it over intact when world revolution day strikes, is anybody’s guess. The lake, when full, will stretch 155 miles to the Zambian border. Some with whom I spoke thought that this great stretch of water would prove to be a great hindrance to the murder gangs in their activities. Others, nearer to the menace, were less optimistic.

    …snip….

    His public exhortations to violence and revolutionary methods caused him to remove himself to Dar-es-Salaam, the Chinese-Russian invasion port in East Africa, where he found himself in congenial company with those whom one writer calls “the cream of Africa’s revolutionaries”, and whom I would call the scum of Africa.

    …snip….

    These emissaries infiltrate into the Ovambo villages by night and disturb and incite the tribespeople, particularly the young men, with tales of coming invasions patronized by the House of Helots in New York (U.N.) and limitlessly supplied with Chinese and Russian arms. The leftist-liberal world conspiracy has reached into this remote and peaceful pastoral community.

    …snip…

    The mighty gun-power of China and Russia is trained against them, and so is the vast moneypower of America (which paid for Russian and Chinese armaments in the first place and seems itself to be drifting toward a Communist takeover). In the operations room at the House of Helots (U.N.) the attack on South West (today's Namibia) is next on the drawing board.
    , @TT

    Well Chine did invade Vietnam in the past.
    ....
    It bullied Vietnam as far as the Spartly Islands are concerned


     
    Malla

    I had debunked these myths previously, you knew them. Why did you bring these US/Vietcon propaganda out as facts to spread fake news?

    Asia and whole world owed China much for using their blood to quell Vietcon & Soviet expansionary war after US allied flee. Otherwise, whole world incl India are part of SU now. Communism may be good for mankind, but disasterous under imperfect leaders.

    Why China gave Viet punitive attack:
    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2138055

    Also the SCS spratly issues, i had debunked this US & its lackeys evil conspiracy to control the SCS shipping lanes, hence China lifeline.

    Older US, Canada produced world maps still clearly show China is the legitimate owners of all SCS islands. During 1800 Britannica and British world Atlas all show SCS belong to China. China announced in 1947 to reinforce these 11 historical lines, which Zhou Enlai change to 9 later, without any dispute from the world including US, UK and SCS border countries. It cannot be in one Obama’s stroke become illegimate. There are whole archived of historical facts, not an overnight drive by claim.

     

    This comment completely debunked the kangaroo fake Hague court judgement.
    http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/did-the-ruling-sink-the-rule-of-law

    China navy confront US two strike forces in SCS:
    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/practical-vietnam-imploding-america-and-china-as-beacon/#comment-2139459

    Vietnam is the biggest illegal spratly island [email protected], first and most aggressive in building structures(incapable is another issue). China is late comer @7 islands. This article has detailed SCS historical facts.
    http://chasfreeman.net/diplomacy-on-the-rocks-china-and-other-claimants-in-the-south-china-sea/

    To instil enmity in its own nation using distorted history do not benefit anyone except corrupted politicians. Vietnamese with much unnecessary hatred, easily instigated by US to riot against China investment recently. So many China industries and investment stop moving downward now that could provide much needed jobs to improve their lives. Obor could even run thru Vietnam. To be bankrupt Yankee soulmate means its weapon buyer and canon fodder.

    India still spinning China invading border war propaganda till this day, when India is true aggressor as you had help identified. So instead of benefiting from its neighbour China Obor and massive investment to rise quickly as GDP No.2 and remove widespread poverty, it choose to be US evil soulmate to aggressively challenge China. A war with China is the end of India, and a destroyed China peaceful rise, fulfilling Uncle Sam dream to continue its hedgmon. A complete disaster for the world that we are hoping Russia-China could jointly save. India is great poison in this mankind struggle against US atrocity. When China and Russia down, India will be next target. India exPM Mamod Singh had correctly pointed out, only US is capable and will conquer India.

    Those historical interference you mentioned in Africa...if true, were Mao's era SU communism vs Western fighting. Not any Chinese imperialism expansionary war or to grab land like US & India never stop doing. So this got nothing to substantiate Linh D foolish regurgitating US/Vietcon China threat propaganda that China want to swallow up his communist country, India and everyone.

    Ask every Vietnamese and Indians, they will readily condemn their corrupted bad government. Instead of trying to change internally, they are blaming others, which US & India are perfect shinning model.
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  120. Malla says:
    @Malla
    No, what I really meant is that if you talk with people in the streets of India or in one of our elite engineering institutes, that is what you will hear, that India is a peaceful country and never invaded anybody but is repeated eyed jealously by foreigners like the British, Mughals, Pakistanis, Chinese etc... All states have state propaganda and brainwash their own citizens in tha propaganda. Even the Western governments do that but a bigger percentage of people in the West criticize and question the actions of their own countries.

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.
     
    Well Chine did invade Vietnam in the past.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
    It bullied Vietnam as far as the Spartly Islands are concerned

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish

    I am not saying China does not have an explanation for the above but the Chinese nationalists should realize that Vietnam has it's own interest and so does India and calling the exercise of such interests as being a sucker to 'Imperialists' is plain wrong. Similarly Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc... have their own interests as sovereign powers and if they want better relationships with the PRC, they have the right to. Indian nationalists do not understand this.

    Also Chinese nationalists being brought up on Communist theory throw the word Imperialist around but they would be aghast to know that Indian media calls the Chinese as evil Imperialists.
    The Chinese are not the only ones who can throw that term around.
    http://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/cpec-obor-protestors-opposition-gilgit-baltistan-disputed-territory/61044
    'Chinese Imperialism': CPEC faces stiff opposition from protesters in Gilgit

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/after-obor-gets-ready-pakistan-will-become-chinas-colony-s-akbar-zaidi/articleshow/59100114.cms
    After OBOR gets ready, Pakistan will become China’s colony: S Akbar Zaidi

    I think comparing the OBOR with imperialism is a bit far fetched, I am not saying calling China Imperialist is completely justified, am just saying that the term imperialist can be thrown around by non Chinese too and against the PRC itself.

    Besides that China did interfere in Africa against the Portuguese Empire, Rhodesia and South Africa. You might say that China was helping exploited people fight exploiters, but the reality on the ground was very different. Anyways Communist China had no right to interfere in a place so far away into the activities of other sovereign powers.
    I will provide links to this in connected post.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.
     
    I am not denying India does behave in an imperialist fashion. India did absorb the Kingdom of Sikkim but as far as Pakistan is concerned, after the liberation of Bangladesh, India did not absorb Bangladesh. I do not see India conquering Pakistan land. Indeed India returned land it had conquered from Pakistan back to Pakistan, land conquered by the Indian army in earlier Indo Pakistan wars. India repeatedly blames Pakistan for interfering in Indian Kashmir and China supports Pakistan. How can China which blames the whole world for interfering in it's internal affairs as far as Tibet and Xinjiang are concerned, support a country Pakistan which India accuses of interfering in it's own internal affairs??

    Check this out, PRC interference in Africa.

    From

    https://archive.org/stream/TheSiegeOfSouthernAfrica/siege_djvu.txt

    A prominent Black leader in, South Africa, Chief Kaizer Matanzima of the Transkei, also warned African States supporting terrorism to “mind their own business”, and all responsible Black men in Southern Africa, knowing well that they are the potential victims of “liberation”, feel like this, and often say so. Chief Gatsha Buthelezi even made himself highly unpopular in Communist quarters by his remark and was the object of organized hostile student demonstrations when he visited Dar es Salaam, the Chinese headquarters in Africa and the base of Chinese arms supply.

    …snip….

    One was the regrouping of the tribespeople in protected villages, and I saw many of them along this road and later in the east and southeast, where other Chinese-motivated and Soviet-motivated groups of terrorists still made desultory forays across the border. The aldeamentos, or protected villages, were a good answer to the menace in one way: they did guard the people from the arsonists and abductors who plagued them when they lived in isolated groups. A disadvantage is
    that the Black tribesman clings tenaciously to the soil he knows, however perilous, and dislikes to be separated by distance from his land.

    …snip….

    In Angola they are engaged, as they well know, in a war which they cannot militarily win because it is not a war at all, in any sense in which the word was ever used in history. It is an international conspiracy in which half the governments of the world join, wearing the mocking mask of moral indignation: Russian and Chinese Communists, American Quakers, British Socialists, Norwegian,
    Swedish and German Socialists.
    It can go on as long as hireling murderers can be enlisted by the promise of loot, women, private vengeance and political appointments. It can go on as long as America, Russia, China, “the satellite States”, Cuba and Algeria flood Africa with arms for these hirelings, and as long as the Socialist party in England and the Roosevelt school in America lavish
    money on them.

    …snip….

    I was able to travel through and to fly over the area called Centenary (I never learned which centenary: Rhodesia is not a hundred years old) on the north-western border where the hired killers with their landmines and weapons were galvanized into sudden activity by their Chinese masters in far-off, safe Lusaka and Dar-es-Salaam in late 1973 and early 1974.

    …snip….

    I wondered too whether any Chinese ever asked themselves why their country was killing people, unknown to them, thousands of miles away. If any do so, they presumably find the answer in the Thoughts of Chairman Mao. Around this hospital, on the bare ground, lay the families of these amputees. They dared not return to their villages, if anything remained of them, so they came to Tete and lay down on the ground around the hospital, hoping, I supposed, that food and shelter might some day, somehow, reach them.

    Thus the weapons, the worldwide clamour of chiefs and elders and the slavish mob, the troops (not the wretched Bakongo and Maconde killers but the thirty thousand Chinese so far assembled as railway workers, technical advisers and the like) in Zambia and Tanzania, the whole machine of the liberalist world revolution has been set up for the purposes of destroying Mozambique and extending the territory of the world revolution in Africa. But what of the other essential: money!

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  121. Malla says:
    @Malla
    No, what I really meant is that if you talk with people in the streets of India or in one of our elite engineering institutes, that is what you will hear, that India is a peaceful country and never invaded anybody but is repeated eyed jealously by foreigners like the British, Mughals, Pakistanis, Chinese etc... All states have state propaganda and brainwash their own citizens in tha propaganda. Even the Western governments do that but a bigger percentage of people in the West criticize and question the actions of their own countries.

    Name me an example China Hans had invaded and occupied another country in past few hundreds years.
     
    Well Chine did invade Vietnam in the past.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
    It bullied Vietnam as far as the Spartly Islands are concerned

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish

    I am not saying China does not have an explanation for the above but the Chinese nationalists should realize that Vietnam has it's own interest and so does India and calling the exercise of such interests as being a sucker to 'Imperialists' is plain wrong. Similarly Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc... have their own interests as sovereign powers and if they want better relationships with the PRC, they have the right to. Indian nationalists do not understand this.

    Also Chinese nationalists being brought up on Communist theory throw the word Imperialist around but they would be aghast to know that Indian media calls the Chinese as evil Imperialists.
    The Chinese are not the only ones who can throw that term around.
    http://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/cpec-obor-protestors-opposition-gilgit-baltistan-disputed-territory/61044
    'Chinese Imperialism': CPEC faces stiff opposition from protesters in Gilgit

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/after-obor-gets-ready-pakistan-will-become-chinas-colony-s-akbar-zaidi/articleshow/59100114.cms
    After OBOR gets ready, Pakistan will become China’s colony: S Akbar Zaidi

    I think comparing the OBOR with imperialism is a bit far fetched, I am not saying calling China Imperialist is completely justified, am just saying that the term imperialist can be thrown around by non Chinese too and against the PRC itself.

    Besides that China did interfere in Africa against the Portuguese Empire, Rhodesia and South Africa. You might say that China was helping exploited people fight exploiters, but the reality on the ground was very different. Anyways Communist China had no right to interfere in a place so far away into the activities of other sovereign powers.
    I will provide links to this in connected post.

    And since India gotten independent, how many states and countries it has invaded? I read its 50 over princely states, true? After Sikkin, its Bhutan & Bangladesh literally, then trying to control Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives now. Still fighting Pakistan and China for more lands which India no need.
     
    I am not denying India does behave in an imperialist fashion. India did absorb the Kingdom of Sikkim but as far as Pakistan is concerned, after the liberation of Bangladesh, India did not absorb Bangladesh. I do not see India conquering Pakistan land. Indeed India returned land it had conquered from Pakistan back to Pakistan, land conquered by the Indian army in earlier Indo Pakistan wars. India repeatedly blames Pakistan for interfering in Indian Kashmir and China supports Pakistan. How can China which blames the whole world for interfering in it's internal affairs as far as Tibet and Xinjiang are concerned, support a country Pakistan which India accuses of interfering in it's own internal affairs??

    More
    BTW Cabora Bassa project was a dam being built by the Portuguese Empire in Mozambique part of it’s project to modernize Mozambique further.

    https://archive.org/stream/TheSiegeOfSouthernAfrica/siege_djvu.txt

    On Mozambique

    Above all, they have calmly gone ahead with the Cabora Bassa project, one of the greatest hydro-electric undertakings in the world. This place, when I was there, was already one of the wonders of the world, with machines like prehistoric monsters crawling along miles of lit streets burrowed through the mountain. Work was ahead of schedule and is due to be completed in 1975, when Mozambique hopes to supply services to its African neighbours.

    Cabora Bassa is only a few miles from Tete, the most dangerous area of Mozambique, but work went on there as if all the world were at peace. Cabora Bassa is said to be strongly guarded, though no open signs of this meet the traveller’s eyes. It has never yet been attacked by the murder gangs: whether from fear or by order of their Chinese masters, who might hope to take it over intact when world revolution day strikes, is anybody’s guess. The lake, when full, will stretch 155 miles to the Zambian border. Some with whom I spoke thought that this great stretch of water would prove to be a great hindrance to the murder gangs in their activities. Others, nearer to the menace, were less optimistic.

    …snip….

    His public exhortations to violence and revolutionary methods caused him to remove himself to Dar-es-Salaam, the Chinese-Russian invasion port in East Africa, where he found himself in congenial company with those whom one writer calls “the cream of Africa’s revolutionaries”, and whom I would call the scum of Africa.

    …snip….

    These emissaries infiltrate into the Ovambo villages by night and disturb and incite the tribespeople, particularly the young men, with tales of coming invasions patronized by the House of Helots in New York (U.N.) and limitlessly supplied with Chinese and Russian arms. The leftist-liberal world conspiracy has reached into this remote and peaceful pastoral community.

    …snip…

    The mighty gun-power of China and Russia is trained against them, and so is the vast moneypower of America (which paid for Russian and Chinese armaments in the first place and seems itself to be drifting toward a Communist takeover). In the operations room at the House of Helots (U.N.) the attack on South West (today’s Namibia) is next on the drawing board.

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  122. Da Wei says:
    @Anonymous
    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don't deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    Hatred of Jews? There is no hatred in this writing.
    Have you had a jewish bud? Or jewish girlfriend? Besides being overly personal, this question is sophomoric, ’cause pokin’ don’t make you smarter. Would that somehow obviate the cogency of this paragraph? This is true:

    “As smart and successful immigrants to be found in many countries, Chinese and Jews have often been compared, but there are many key differences between them. Unlike Jews, Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries. Native children are not taught to despise themselves for having wronged the Chinese, and Chinese don’t produce or host television or radio shows that mock the locals. There is no Chinese Howard Stern or Jerry Springer. Unlike Israel, the Chinese’ ancestral homeland’s survival is not dependent on the support of a heavily manipulated and indoctrinated client state.”

    Now, in instant replay, here is the knockout punch:

    “Can you imagine American kids being taught that their nation’s biggest menace is not Putin, Islamic patsies or Mexican busboys, but the machinations of Israel?”

    Please, do not whine that these sentiments emanate from hatred. You are probably an intelligent person and should know that drawing conclusions and anticipating conduct based on past experience and probability do not constitute racism or antisemitism. And if they do, then we need to rethink our condemnation of racism and antisemitism. Maybe they are natural consequences of living with others and wanting to survive.

    You know what they would call “racial profiling” in China? Common Sense. You know what they would call you if you didn’t “profile”? Stupid.

    I suggest you rethink Sartre’s Anti-Semite and Jew in this context. That petit book can lead your head up your ass with its insistence on affirming every person’s moral freedom by not objectifying their essence. Or, by not making yourself an object by wearing hatred for the other on your shirt sleeve. Sure, you take each individual as you find him, but don’t let that make you stupid, and it can if you take Sartre as your guide.

    Sitting in a French coffee shop with a lesbian and a cigarette wouldn’t impress on anyone the need for conclusions — say conclusions about jews — that wasn’t essentially ambivalent. There was a reason Edward I kicked all jews out of England. He made a sweeping command for the common good and he had common sense.

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  123. @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived "dual loyalties." It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous "Chinatowns" all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.


    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not "race" wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little "racial" difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering "racial" differences. And since when have Germans been "wiped off the mat?" This is even more laughable, unless you are equating "true Germans" with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.

    Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map.

    Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.

    So move on, there is nothing to see here.

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    >Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    I grew up with those "Germans" from Russia who relocated in the 80s due to the better economy in Germany and they were about as German as I'm Russian.

    Their docs were either fake or a German was in their family many generations ago.

    Their kids also hated Germans just like turkroaches, go figure...

    My father was a real German however from former Bohemia, now Czech Republic. They were made to leave right after WW2, lots of them died and their fellow Germans didn't want them in Germany and gave them a hard time.

    History is pretty much a shit sandwhich for most people it seems.
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  124. Whoever says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don't deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    Do you mean Réflexions sur la question juive? I think it only applied to the situation in France in the first half of the 20th century. It’s a relic of a by-gone time and place.

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  125. Sam J. says:
    @Anonymous
    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don't deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    “…I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre…”

    Forget him. What you need is a few article by Revilo Oliver.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/wwoop.htm

    http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js07.html

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    http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js07.html
     
    Wow, that is in a nutshell. Short and sweet.
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  126. Sam J. says:
    @mcohen
    Spot on old chap.divide and conquer in the age of the empire.one has to ask who will benefit the most from declining us influence in the m.e -china of course as it has no oil resources of its own.
    Bear in mind that the vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin,

    https://www.epmag.com/vietnam-tells-china-move-oil-rig-gulf-tonkin-844721


    https://www.google.com.au/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKPEK26269420080720

    Good luck with your move to vietnam linh,the south china sea is the place to be.

    “…vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin…”

    I wish people wouldn’t say such silly things. If you remember the times the Commies were attacking all over the planet. They had multiple thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at the US and Europe and had publicly proclaimed they would bury the West. Now even the most simple, fleeting look at a map will show you that Vietnam was an important place geopoliticaly sitting aside the South Sea trade routes. I can state without any quibbles at all that if the US had not fought n Vietnam then large parts of South East Asia would have been lost to the Commies. During the time we were fighting in Vietnam the other countries around the area were fighting off their own Commie insurgencies. Some even won. Now there’s a lot of White bashing about the US bombing this and that, I’m not counting the present as it’s all because the Jews control the country, but just exactly what did the Commies do? Serve everyone tea? No they were some of the most horrendous killers ever on planet earth. As bad as we evil Whites are would you rather live in North Korea…forever?

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    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place. Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam, but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American "(communist) mainstream media", communists and their "fellow travelers" blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite's declaration that "the American military lost the war" despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American "mainstream media" could not be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered "baby killers", "loose cannons", "mentally defective", and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. It is curious to note that as soon as the draft was abolished, he "anti-war" movement dissipated. These anti-war protesters (along with their chickenhawk political opportunists) were only concerned about one thing--"saving their own skins"--nothing more. There was no concern for the tens of thousands of "boat people" risking life and limb to escape that communist "paradise".
    Ken Burns' "documentary" on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently "let it slip" about the TRUTH of the communist "re-education" camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that "re-education" would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.
    , @TT
    I can state without any quibbles at all that if the US had not fought n Vietnam then large parts of South East Asia would have been lost to the Commies. During the time we were fighting in Vietnam the other countries around the area were fighting off their own Commie insurgencies. Some even won. Now there’s a lot of White bashing about the US bombing
    , @TT

    I can state without any quibbles at all that if the US had not fought n Vietnam then large parts of South East Asia would have been lost to the Commies. During the time we were fighting in Vietnam the other countries around the area were fighting off their own Commie insurgencies. Some even won. Now there’s a lot of White bashing about the US bombing
     
    You actually believe your government propaganda into believing Yankee invade Vietnam for humanity reason like in all its past 50yrs atrocious wars spanning the whole world, even won the Vietnam war to save Asia?

    Sure You knew what atrocity your gov did to Vietnamese, attack Vietnam for its independent war against colonist France after Japan surrendered, when France lost, you staged the civil wars to divide, lost it with all your most destructive chemical weapons & bombs more than all WWII add up, you flee leaving millions of your helpless allies South Vietnamese in peril? How can your this nonsense save Asia? People like you make US endless atrocious wars possible. Read wikipedia.

    Its China that paid the greatest blood price for Asia peace by launching punitive attack on Vietnam after Asean begging for help. Singapore exPM LKY is the only one honestly reveal it in his memoir after many years, other hypocrite Asia leaders kept silent and continue to hype China threat. Whole Asean armies went up to resist Vietcon hopelessly at Thai border. Without China, all will be slaughtered in weeks. And Soviet with its invincible war hardened Vietcon army will sweep through whole Asia, Europe and the world, i will become commie too.

    I only get to read about China attacked to Vietnam in Lee Kuan Yew memoir. There he said, “after US defeated and fled, North Viet started to invade Cambodia, with Asean next. Vietnam, backed by Soviet, is invincible now. Asean had sent all their armies to Thailand’s border, possibly able to hold few weeks at most. So LKY went to ask Deng XP help. After China unsuccessful to dissuade Vietnam(whose China help rebuilt its economic and infrastructure after war), Chinese army launched punitive short attack to destroy its war capacity, while confronting Soviet million troops at its northern border. Soviet failed to honor its Vietnam treaty to counter attack China, so Vietnam invincibility war pride got crippled. China save whole Asean with its blood(many thousands soldier dead), so Asia can enjoy peaceful growth for next 30 yrs.”
     
    You are claiming like Tillerson, US had successfully destroyed ISIS to save Syria and the world from terrorists(make by US)
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article199417.html

    As bad as we evil Whites are would you rather live in North Korea…forever?
     
    North Korea, another endless atrocity and big lies by Yankee till this moment you believe and regurgitate.

    Who is the real evil demon? NK or US?

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-versus-the-united-states-who-are-the-demons/28342

    Achievement of NK in healthcare, education…

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-their-health-system-sucks-do-they-have-schools-and-hospitals-in-america-weve-got-medicare/5604293

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-social-and-economic-achievements-of-north-korea/5594234

    US tyranny and endless atrocities wars are not driven just by deep states interest groups, but also make possible by foolish blind zombies people like you. NK certainly is safer than US, with its medical cares an envy to US(quoted UN WHO Secretary)
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  127. Sam J. says:
    @jacques sheete

    Where did you get your hatred of jews from?
     
    A lot of folks get their hatred of Jews from Jews. It's evident that Jews have a hard time getting along with anyone and hate each other as well as dumb goyim and when they act on their feelings, they encourage resentment and loathing.

    If one understands the the meaning of the word, "goy," (s)he'll understand the answer to your question.

    Another source of understanding the phenomenon is to read what the old prophets said. Apparently Gawd hizownself could hardly put up with his own "special" ones, nor they with him. Much of what they said was confirmed by Josephus.

    Any further questions?

    exactly.

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  128. Sam J. says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Fair enough. I just think there are some strong similarities between the two, as far as power in respective host societies and hostility. The Chinese have been extensively hated or resented in their host societies due to their dominance in local economies and educational systems, clannishness, as well as potential "dual loyalties" to a hegemonic China, from Vietnam to Indonesia. That feeling has not disappeared. I would agree though that the Jewish case is more extensive.

    Which again brings up the mystery- how come Trump who has been hailed as a "redeemer" figure by many, so cosy with Israel and assorted Jewish proxies/agents/boosters thereto, if these people are supposed to be such an internal threat?

    “…Trump who has been hailed as a “redeemer” figure by many…”

    Cause it is likely Hillary would have been worse. It’s not that’s he’s good it’s that he’s not quit as bad. Not that I’m a big booster of his. It would not surprise me a bit if he was just another person put up by the Jews to do more mischief.

    I did have hopes though…dashed. Everything he’s done so far was nothing more than jeb would have done. Far as I could tell maybe we would have been better off with jeb. jeb is probably too incompetent to get up to too much trouble.

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  129. Sam J. says:
    @AaronB
    I've done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage - moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and "assume" the superior pose.

    I don't know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate - thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans - if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it's easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability - studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It's quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined - a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society "knows" - he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can't really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

    This is a very good comment. Very, very good and quite right. In order to fight the situation we’re in a certain amount of pigheadedness is needed. I no longer give a damn about individualism or fairness until we can get a country to ourselves. Until then I care about my people first.

    I love how you’ve constrained a vast amount of critical thought into such a small space.

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    Thanks, Sam, I appreciate it.

    Yes, you have to have a certain amount of pigheadedness as it were. Certain questions are off the table. Not everything gets analyzed. If someone tries - don't even engage in debate! By agreeing to debate, in some situations, you have conceded defeat. Every good salesman knows that, and exploits it.

    Rationality is vastly overrated. It's a tool - don't let it control you.

    Whites have to relearn the arts of being successful human beings, not just machines that invent machines. And they will - necessity will see to that.
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  130. Malla says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Using "criticism, feigned outrage – moral attacks, futile debate, perceptions shaping stress and confusion, guilt trips, emotionalism, and assuming superior poses pretty much describes some of the tactics of white groups, including white Americans in their dealings with others. They aren’t a Chinese monopoly by any means, or a collectivist one either. Activities overseas by super individualistic, rationalistic Americans have included all the above tactics.


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    AaronB says:
    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.
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    But its not hard at all. We have the historical record. When the CHinese ran into the rational, rugged American individualists on the West Coast of the US, they pretty much ran the same playbook- tight, clannish organization, concentration on the building power in the economic sphere, extensive "behind the scenes" manipulation including bribery, and a penchant for blunt force grinding work that could outlast their detractors.


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    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.
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    How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall..


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    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.
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    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic? History delivers no such verdict. Matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that Americans prefer the contrary- appeals to the emotions, tribal loyalties (local, regional and racial) and good old fashioned cash on the barrelhead as in the horse trading, pork barrel, machine politics that keeps things moving. The university or think-tank egghead has never been a popular figure among Americans, and "rationalism" has had plenty of detractors- such as the fierce union struggles against "rational" corporate exploitation. And most Americans do not open everything up to debate- egghead academics in universities and think tanks might debate forever, but not the common "man in the street." Even the much maligned media follow certain shared understandings with the public.

    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic?

    I can understand your point, you are correct. You keep on posting how the Whites are just as bad as anybody. But compared to the standards of the rest of the world where clannishness is basic norm, Western societies and peoples have shown more incidents of self criticism than most other societies.

    For example the kind of immigration seen in the UK for example since WW2 would BE IMPOSSIBLE in India. If the numbers (as a percentage of original population) of racially different people would be allowed immigration in India, years ago (in a much earlier stage of population importation), there would have been riots in the streets, the politicians responsible found and hunted down, the party which allowed so many outsiders would never win in the next 60 years. A local version of the BNP (British Nationalist Party) would have won land slide victories in elections. Hell our present ruling party the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) is not that different from the BNP and the BNP may even be milder in comparison. Hardcore BJP ites (like the poster Singh on Unz) openly call for massacring all Muslims and Christians and cleansing our holy land of these vermin.

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    Reminder that there are no Mandir in Mecca or Vatican is our holy land less holy because it's 'Pagan'

    Abrahamics are free to denounce their bigotry & apostasy would probably work better for us

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/how-japan-dealt-with-the-christian-threat/

    Also you cucked faggot I'm not a Democrat so don't put words in my mouth like Bjp supporter।।
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  131. Malla says:
    @Orwellian State
    Interesting comparisons between the Chinese and the Germans. To be sure they do have some similarities as you mentioned, especially with regards to their pragmatism. But there are also some major differences, for example:

    - the Chinese are known for their dishonesty, while the Germans are known for their honesty
    - Chinese societies are chaotic, dirty, loud, noisy, disorderly
    - German societies are clean, orderly, quiet, efficient
    - Germans are into precision, with great attention to details. Chinese are sloppy, and try to get away with whatever they can get away with
    - Germans are a lot more introverted than the Chinese. They make the Chinese look like Italians.

    I see a lot of parallels between the Germans and the Japanese.

    Very true, it is the Japanese who the most similar to Anglo-Teutons-Scandinavians.
    However when compared to most Asians outside North East Asia (South East Asians, Indian subcontinentals, Middle Easterners) the Chinese are really comparable to Germans. The rest of the people of Asia are even more chaotic, dirty, noisy and disorderly.
    The Bhutanese are quite an orderly, clean, honest and gentlemanly people and by Middle Eastern standards, Iranians are more disciplined. I do not know how Iranians compare with the Chinese in orderliness and lack of ‘tragedy of the commons’. I do not know how Central Asians like the Uzbeks, Kyrgyz etc… compare as well. How do the Uighurs compare to the Han withing the PRC in such civilized characteristics?

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  132. Malla says:
    @AaronB
    That's a reasonable point, individualism may coexist in its earlier stages with collectivism.

    But it's a process - I would say today Americans are far more atomized than they were in the 19th century, and it has lowered self confidence and led to demoralizing self-doubt.

    I was reading recently about the prisoner of war camps in the Korean War. A third of American soldiers signed confessions and cooperated with their captors, and many died from severe conditions - death in such situations is considered to be psychological - and their captors found it easy to create demoralizing leadership vacuums by seperating put the officers, who were not replaced.

    By contrast, the Koreans also had a large number of Turkish prisoners. None of them cooperated, and they survived almost to a man. Sick men would be spoon fed and closely tended by their comrades, and no matter how many times their officers were removed, the next lowest rank would become the leader.

    Not being hyper rationalistic, the Turks refused to be engaged in debate about values and responded with derision. Group unity made it easier to be self confident in their opinions. They were impervious to brainwashing.

    The Americans naively were willing to rationally analyze anything, and studies have shown that the first step in the brainwashing process is engaging the target in debate.

    The American Army concluded the released captives had serious character deficits and weak self identity and had been poorly indoctrinated in the values of their society.

    In short, they were merely reflections of American society, as the Turks were of theirs.

    Individualism and collectivism are absolute poles - most societies have some kind of balance between the two.

    The Japanese tend towards collectivism, famously, but you will find lots and lots of eccentrics and weird characters if you visit Japan, and the people can seem highly individually expressive in many situations and not the drab monotone many think, and Japanese culture has a tradition of eccentric Zen monks, wanderers, adventurers, roisterers, and sake swilling layabouts, that reveal a rich seam of anarchic individualism at the heart of Japanese society.

    The Chinese have a similar tradition - entire districts were crawling with eccentric hemits and recluses and wanderers, many of them former mandarins snd court officials.

    Regional identities merge into national identities - that's not unique to the West. Happened in China too, and everywhere.

    But the centrifugal trend in America has recently been towards atomization and the breakup of any shared identity whatsoever, and the substitution of abstract principles in place of identity, principles that are negotiable and open to rational analysis.

    The result is that Americans live on quicksand, and are easy prey for any rogue with strong convictions.

    Of course American individualism had deep roots in Western culture and is not a "Jew product" - I dont agree with those silly people who think Jews alone created modern culture.

    You'd have to be really historically ignorant to believe that.

    But in overcoming modernity, it may make rhetorical and psychological sense for whites to "externalize" it as a creation of the Jews, and thus "non-white", foreign, alien.

    Don't underestimate the rhetorical uses of obvious untruths and the psychological role they may play in the revitalization of a nation. It's called a "myth" - and they're necessary lies based on an element of truth that reflect reality in a deeper way.

    Jews aligned themselves with modernity and unfairly exploited it, though they didn't create it, and that gives the new myth resonance and symbolism.

    As an Indian living in a collectivist society, your analysis is spot on. One of the many reasons I support White nationalism is because I find it unfair and unjust that the individualistc, rationalistic, universalist people are the one’s suffering the risk of loss of land and even genocide while the clannish, collectivist, racist (yes, we non Whites are super racist but your libtard crackpot will not accept that) non Whites are getting an advantage.

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    Thanks.

    Yes, but it was a self inflicted wound for whites. And it did give whites tremendous advantages over the collectivist races - for a time. It allowed for the creation of technology, which allowed them to dominate the world for a time.

    Let's not whitewash whites :)

    Over time, the source of white strength became the source of white weakness. It went too far and undermined itself. Anything carried too far undermines itself eventually.

    Whites, at the moment may indeed need to "whitewash" themselves as part of the process of recovery and because their enemies take advsntage. The erection of a new white myth is a healthy and necessary part of revitalization.

    If the new myth is one of relative balance - it strikes a mean between racial pride and racial self-loathing, when historically all group myths are ones of excessive racial pride. (as you say, this is characteristic of non white groups today. We see this on this forum) - then perhaps the last gasp of Western exceptionalism will have brought into the world something genuinely new. Western "progress" will have vindicated itself in its last gasp :)

    We can hope.

    , @Singh
    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/954791387882385408

    If you say they're manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Not a horse, not an elephant and a tiger, certainly not. Give a young goat as oblation;,the Gods destroy the weak.

    Nobody will mourn them least not themselves as they only worship Jewish Ancestors।।

    Our Blood tends toward extremism both the most Radical Euro Pagans (Rus/Ukr) & Muslim (Afghan) are the most related to us।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
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  133. Jon Orton says:
    @Anonymous
    Where did you get your hatred of jews from? Jews do entertainment. You don't deprecate Jack Benny or the Marx Bros. do you? Walter Winchell was big in his day.
    Have you never had a jewish bud? Or a jewish girlfriend?

    I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre.

    Recording truisms isn’t hate. It’s observation.

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  134. Malla says:
    @neutral
    I must be honest, I cannot tell the difference, that image of the people at a Restaurant in Saigon, I don't know if those are supposed to be Chinese or Vietnamese people.

    Also, as I already asked, are racial slurs common between the two, is miscegenation common or is it a big taboo?

    What I was told is that the Southern Chinese look a lot like Vietnamese but it is much easier to make out a Northern Chinese from a Vietnamese.

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  135. Malla says:
    @nebulafox
    They are nowhere near as numerous as the Chinese, but there is a prominent South Indian minority in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and before the war caused them to flee, Vietnam. They tend to be of the rather prosperous merchant type and are discriminated against, but for the same reasons as the Chinese rather than because they are seen as working class.

    I do know that recent Indian migrants tend to be viewed differently, but then again, so are recent migrants from the PRC: including by the "native" Chinese themselves.

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    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe
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  136. Malla says:
    @Anon
    ...reached its nadir under Pol Pot, a man who combined secular Jewish messianism with atavistic Angkor yearnings. The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx. “No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

    Not so simple as all that. While Christianity was forcibly introduced to Southeast Asia by European Imperialists --- all in all, its influence was probably better than Buddhism with its streak of nihilism --- , communism was something Asians freely adopted on their own to expel the European Imperialists.
    While the Soviet Empire did forcibly take over and conquer peoples of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, communism spread in nations like China, Vietnam, and Cambodia out of the free will of Asians who came to believe that it was their best weapon against imperialism.

    The irony is that communism was indeed an effective weapon against imperialism, whereas Christianity was the religion of the invasive and oppressive foreigners. But in the long run, communism turned out to be oppressive and tyrannical(even murderous in some cases), and new generations of Chinese and Vietnamese are finding more meaning and purpose from Christianity, now divorced from imperialist designs. The new religion of Western Globalist Imperialism is Homomania as Jews have come to control the West and Jews have negative feelings about Christianity. The only kind of Christianity Jews can tolerate is the one that is all about Diversity or worshiping homos even more than Jesus.

    Anyway, I think we have to give communism some due. Yes, it was the god that failed. Its economic theory was ultimately flawed despite the utopian idealism. To understand why communism was bound to fail, one just has to imagine the entire economy of a metropolis run by city hall. City Hall can barely fund and manage the basic municipal operations. Imagine city hall controlling all the markets, all the restaurants, all the hotels, all the housing, all the stores, all the transportation, all the construction, and etc. Things would ground to a halt, especially since communism suppresses material incentives for hard work.

    Also, communism was bound to limit creativity because everything was about the collective and the plain. For good or ill, creativity is always elitist and/or iconic because it's about rare talents working toward perfection of archetypal forms. This is why most people are not star material. Only Paul Newman could be Paul Newman. Only Clint Eastwood could be Clint Eastwood. Even in pop culture, how many people have the talent of someone like Paul McCartney or Burt Bacharach to compose and craft such wonderful songs? True art must be honest or visionary; true entertainment must be inspired and exciting.

    Humanism is indispensable as the basic social philosophy of a nation, but arts and creativity are about the special talent with the perfectionist touch. Because communism saddled arts and culture with the heavy moralism of the Worker and Revolution, communist expressions got boring and predictable.
    Worse, people are naturally spiritual, and since communism banished religion, it turned to elevating secular figures as new gods, and this cult of personality got stupid and obnoxious.

    So, in the long run, communism was bound to fail, and it deserved to fail. Who wants to live under communism forever?

    Still, one must give credit where it's due in appreciating communism as a uniting force and organizing principle for Third World nations in a world where so many non-whites were under the domination of few Western nations. Against Western Imperialism, which seemed so overwhelming back then --- just like many people in the 80s thought communism would last for many more decades, maybe indefinitely --- , non-white peoples sought deliverance. How could they drive out the imperialists? Japanese offered an answer with Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it was a case of replacing one imperialism with another(that could be even more brutal). As for traditional values and schools of thoughts, they seemed useless against the dynamic and aggressive West. Confucianism seemed quaint and irrelevant. If anything, it came to be associated with effete scholars who were doing calligraphy when their nation was being carved up by foreigners. Taoism and Buddhism were too mystical and passive to address the dire problems of reality. Both were thought systems of detachment and non-action. The old elites were either gone, collaborating with the imperialists, or offered nothing but return to domestic tyranny of privileged elites lording over the people as slaves, serfs, or tenant-farmers.
    There was capitalism, but global capitalism was dominated by few European empires and the US. Even if capitalism could work in the long run, it was useless in creating a unified mass against the imperialists. For one thing, capitalism under imperialist rule will favor the imperialist investors and owners and the native collaborator-comprador elites, as well as foreign merchants doing the bidding of the imperialists, as was the case of the Chinese minority. Also, capitalism is mainly about profits, and so, even Vietnamese capitalists would prioritize profits above all else. Even if it hurt the cause of Vietnamese independence and sovereignty, Vietnamese capitalists would have chosen profits over patriotism. We see this in America too. So many US capitalists will betray American workers and national sovereignty to stuff their own pockets. So, capitalism without full national sovereignty would have failed to bring Vietnam together. Look at South Korea. As it is defined by capitalism under US neo-imperialism, it favors profits over national unity and sovereignty. Even when the US keeps increasing tensions to keep the peninsula divided indefinitely, South Koreans continue to play toady to America because profits come first. As such, the two Koreas may never unite again.
    Another problem with capitalism is it takes time to develop. While capitalism is ultimately more productive and efficient than communism, it can have an disorganizing than organizing impact on society since it's about the cutthroat competition of multiple players. Great Britain and the US were able to develop successful capitalist models because both were geographically secure and politically united. They didn't have to worry much about invasion, and if anything, they became invaders than the invaded.
    But without geographical security and political-national sovereignty, capitalism can cause more problems because its openness can lead to easy infiltration and takeover by foreigners. After all, it was through capitalism that globalist Jews gained so much control over Russia and South Africa.
    Also, even the successful East Asian capitalist models relied on significant government controls and support. The rise of Japanese and South Korean economies is hard to conceive without the role of the state. And it was also true of rise of Modern Germany.

    Under French Colonialism and then American neo-imperialism, Vietnam couldn't gain full national sovereignty with capitalism alone. Vietnamese needed something stronger and more ruthless in order to organize, unite, and fight to drive out the foreigners and build a new system based on nationalism and independence. And at the time, communism seemed like the best bet. Now, why not fascism?
    For several reasons. WWII gave fascism a bad name. Soviet Union, which presented itself as the champion of world revolutions, fought a bitter war against radical German fascism and prevailed. So, even fascists after WWII didn't want to be associated with the label.
    Another problem was Fascism is an ideology of working with existing systems than creating a new one from scratch. So, Mussolini inherited the conditions of modern Italy and tried to make the best of it by balancing capital and labor, tradition and modernity. Same with National Socialism in Germany. Hitler was working with existing systems and inherited political norms. He did push for radical change in some ways, but he didn't have to work from scratch, nor did he want to.

    In contrast, Vietnam was poor and backward. It had nothing much to inherit from the past. Also, the French imperialists had hardly invested much into Vietnam. They were mostly into exploitation of rubber like in the silly movie INDOCHINE. So, everything had to be built from scratch based on a new template. A more radical approach was needed than fascism that seeks a balance of tradition and modernity. (Now, Cuba could have done better with a fascist-nationalist model because the Castro regime did inherit a considerable economy and means of production from the pre-existing system. If the Castro regime had kicked out the mafia and worst of the oligarchs and had protected the national bourgeoisie on condition that they uphold Cuban nationalism against Yanqui and Jewish gangster-capitalism, it could have done so much more.)

    So, considering the main objectives of Ho Chi Minh, communism made good sense. Only communism could provide a simple but powerful idea to unite all Vietnamese who were poor and backward. In a nation with a small capitalist class and insignificant middle class, only something like communism could be a unifying force for the masses. Also, communist culture of discipline, purity of spirit, and sacrifice imbued the comrades with a willingness to die for the cause. It's like what Michael Corleone observes about the Cuban rebel who gave his own life for the Revolution. It's difficult for a revolution to succeed unless people are willing to die for it, just like it's difficult for capitalism to succeed unless people are willing to work hard to afford fun stuff.

    https://youtu.be/OM9sIbddq24?t=3m31s

    To liberate and unify the nation, Ho Chi Minh and his cohorts had only communism as an effective weapon against France and the US. Only communism could unify the masses, instill iron discipline into them, and make them want to fight and die for a higher cause. And the Vietnamese did manage to defeat the French and the Americans, the only such record in the 20th century. They also bested the Chinese in the late 70s and prevailed over Cambodia, then a satellite of China. Could Vietnam have done all this without communist principles of organization, morale, sacrifice, and vision? I doubt it.
    To be sure, it was a most tragic century as the Vietnamese fought almost non-stop from WWII to the 1990s. But it is united unlike sorry Korea. Also, Vietnam probably has more political and historical respect than all the vassal nations of Southeast Asia.

    If anything, it is capitalism that is turning Vietnam into shit again. Now, I'm all for economic reforms and market dynamics in Vietnam. I'm all for Vietnam forging new ties with US, China, and the world. But considering the great struggle, sacrifice, and achievements of the Revolution, the current elites of Vietnam should be hanged for cucking out to Homomania and letting prostitution run rampant again, turning Ho Chi Minh City into old Saigon. Profits and incentives are good, but a nation made by Viet Cong shouldn't go Viet Cuck.

    Now, the Middle East didn't need communism because they had a powerful and timeless idea as an organizing principle: Islam. With faith in Islam, the Afghanis drove out the Soviets. Unlike passive religions like Buddhism or secular philosophies like Confucianism, the energies of Islam will never fade. Now, Islam has lots of problems and, like communism, can be repressive and hold back necessary reforms. But in a world where anything related to 'freedom' and 'human rights' are so defined and controlled by US globalist hegemony, the non-West needs some powerful countervailing idea or force to keep some measure of sovereignty.

    And to that extent, we have to give communism some credit.

    Very good comprehensive analysis and I agree Communism did play a role needed at that time. But there is a teeeny weeny problem here.
    Communism was itself pushed on East Asians by internationalist bankers.

    Andrei Fursov talks about Joseph Stalin’s reluctance to create Communist China and how the Rockefellers wanted it.

    More on this

    https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/mao-yale-man-rothschilds-create-peoples-republic-china/

    Mao Was a Yale Man – Rothschilds Create People’s Republic of China

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/jews-in-china-mao-era/

    CHINAS “REVOLUTIONARY” JEWS

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/chinese-communism-yes-but-it-was-jewish-when-it-started/

    CHINESE COMMUNISM? YES BUT IT WAS JEWISH WHEN IT STARTED

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    The spread of Communism in East Asia/ Eastern Europe and nearly all anti colonial movements including the Indian Independence Movement by the Indian national Congress were at the end of the day a work of powerful elites behind the scenes. Their aim was to destroy the European empires especially the British Empire, strangely this movement was directed from London itself.


    Nesta Webster wrote

    The Bolsheviks lost no time in getting into touch with the leaders of the Kuomintang. In China, as in Ireland, in India and in Egypt, they pursued the same policy of exploiting Nationalism for their own purpose, namely the destruction of the British Empire. In 1920 Lenin said that it was in China that the British Empire would be overthrown, and the Kuomintang, like Sinn Fein (Ireland), Swaraj (India) and the Wafd (Egypt), was the instrument ready made to their hands. For the three principles of Sun-Yat-Sen — ^Nationalism, Democracy, Socialism — they had of course nothing but contempt, especially as, according to their view, " Sun-Yat-Sen’s Socialism was of an absolutely inoffensive, and also quite futile nature.” ^ But his xenophobia could be turned to account.
    Meanwhile the pure doctrines of Bolshevism were being spread in China, by Siag Sea Fu, pamphlet published by the Communist Party if Great Britain instilled into Chinese minds by the agents of Moscow. Agitators were trained at the Communist University of Tashkent. Communist groups were formed in Peking and Shanghai, Marxist evening classes were held in Canton. In 1921 the Chinese Communist Party was founded in Shanghai ; by the following year Canton had become the hub of the movement. Through all this. Western inspiration was clearly visible, as for example in the Appeal to Seamen issued in 1922 by the Communist Party of Canton, where the passage occurs ;

    In China as elsewhere the leadership of the revolutionary movement was thus largely in the hands of foreigners or of Chinese who had received a foreign education. This was the case with the three men, Gallent, Borodin and Chen, who carried on the campaign against Britain in Canton after the death of Sun-Yat-Sen on March 12, 1925.
    Gallent or Galen, who has now assumed the name of Blucher, was a Russian general, dispatched by Moscow, of whom the Bolsheviks still have great hopes as a leader. Jacob Borodin, alias Michael Grusenberg, was a more complex character. First heard of in Spain, where he had been sent by the Third International to carry on propaganda, he reappeared during the following year in Mexico and the United States, where he became known as a leading agitator. In 1922 he was smuggled into England as an " underground ” agent to act as adviser to the British Communist Party. In August of the same year he was arrested under the name of George Brown in Glasgow, sentenced to six months’ imprisonment and subsequently deported. Borodin then passed into the service of Sun-Yat-Sen, and was appointed Chief Adviser to the Government of Canton, where he received his salary regularly from the Soviet Embassy.
    Borodin’s colleague Mr. Eugene Chen, the Cantonese Foreign Minister, appears to have been a real Chinese, but born in 1878 under the British flag in Trinidad, where he was known under the name of E. Bernard Acham (or Ackam). Later he came to England and qualified as a solicitor in London.He seems to have been living in Richmond when he suddenly made up his mind to go and “ help China.”
    What influences brought him to this decision have never been revealed, but it is interesting to note, that like many an Indian agitator, it was in England, to which he owed all his advantages of education and training, that he became the enemy of our too hospitable country. On his arrival in China he entered Government service, and during the War edited certain Peking newspapers in one of which, the People’s Tribune, he daily vilified the British as “ brutal murderers, robbers, exploiters and liars.” In 1919 he joined Sun-Yat-Sen’s Party, and in 1922 became Foreign Adviser to the Canton Government,

    ..snip....

    Soviet Government and instructions issued to Borodin and Gallent.^ Minutes of other meetings of the Polit Bureau and the Military Council of China were found, with discussions on the funds required for carrying on the campaign. One document, marked “ Strictly confidential,” contained instructions to the Soviet Embassy from Moscow, saying : ” Stir up the mob to violence against Europeans in general, and the British in particular.” In Peking, as in London and elsewhere, it was clearly shown that the Bolsheviks were abusing diplomatic privileges by making the Soviet Embassy a centre of intrigue and revolutionary propaganda.

    ...snip....

    We cannot allow the Communists to make China the experimental field for Communism and cause millions to die without reason. The tactics of the Bolsheviks are to stir up mob violence through wholesale destruction in order to seize political power. . , , If we allow their horrible politics to prevail all will be brought to nought.
    (This was written before WW2, millions in China did die as it became an experimental field for communism!!!)

    ....snip....

    . which displays its moral superiority by assuming in every difference with another country that England must be in the wrong, and that the opponent is therefore entitled to sympathy and support. The influence of this type of denationalised idealism may be dearly traced, since the beginning of the century, in the wanton sacrifice of British interests at many a vital point, most notably in India, Egypt and Ireland.*

    Mr. Bland locates this school of thought at present largely in the Round Table Group, Chatham House (the Royal Institute of International Affairs) and the League of Nations Union.

    ...snip....

    The following is an extract from a letter received by the present writer in 1925 from a British official in the East :
    I take a very serious view of the intrigues of the " Round Table ” and " Fabian Society ” amongst the superior Civil Services of the Crown. I have for some time past been doing all in my power to combat this evil, but with no success, as the “ Round Table ” is now very strongly represented in High Places in official life and in Parliamentary circles : and practically holds any Government in its power which is in any way dependent on this particular class of permanent official, combined with the political Zionists in maintaining the Party in position. I have just retired from where I have been the last five years . . . and have seen and felt— -very much to my cost — the power wielded by these two pernicious bodies working together.

    ...snip....

    The paralysis that has afflicted every Government in turn may in part be produced by a group of political " Idealists,” in the main sincere, but not unsusceptible to dangerous guidance. I find it difficult, however, to believe that such institutions as the Round Table Group, Chatham House, the League of Nations Union or even the Fabian Society — which has certainly succeeded in penetrating the Ministries and the whole Civil Service — could, unless in alliance with financial power, exercise so decisive an influence on the councils of the nation and bend statesmen of every party to their will. More potent causes for the suicidal tendencies of the British Empire must be at work — the Hidden Hand operates under many disguises.

    , @Malla
    And check out what David Rockefeller said about Communist China, the creation of which, his banking oligarchic family had pushed for.

    “Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded, not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering a high morale and community propose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

    – David Rockefeller, New York Times, 1973
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  137. Malla says:
    @Malla
    Very good comprehensive analysis and I agree Communism did play a role needed at that time. But there is a teeeny weeny problem here.
    Communism was itself pushed on East Asians by internationalist bankers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Ofep13FY4

    Andrei Fursov talks about Joseph Stalin's reluctance to create Communist China and how the Rockefellers wanted it.

    More on this

    https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/mao-yale-man-rothschilds-create-peoples-republic-china/

    Mao Was a Yale Man – Rothschilds Create People’s Republic of China

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/jews-in-china-mao-era/

    CHINAS “REVOLUTIONARY” JEWS

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/chinese-communism-yes-but-it-was-jewish-when-it-started/

    CHINESE COMMUNISM? YES BUT IT WAS JEWISH WHEN IT STARTED

    The spread of Communism in East Asia/ Eastern Europe and nearly all anti colonial movements including the Indian Independence Movement by the Indian national Congress were at the end of the day a work of powerful elites behind the scenes. Their aim was to destroy the European empires especially the British Empire, strangely this movement was directed from London itself.

    Nesta Webster wrote

    The Bolsheviks lost no time in getting into touch with the leaders of the Kuomintang. In China, as in Ireland, in India and in Egypt, they pursued the same policy of exploiting Nationalism for their own purpose, namely the destruction of the British Empire. In 1920 Lenin said that it was in China that the British Empire would be overthrown, and the Kuomintang, like Sinn Fein (Ireland), Swaraj (India) and the Wafd (Egypt), was the instrument ready made to their hands. For the three principles of Sun-Yat-Sen — ^Nationalism, Democracy, Socialism — they had of course nothing but contempt, especially as, according to their view, ” Sun-Yat-Sen’s Socialism was of an absolutely inoffensive, and also quite futile nature.” ^ But his xenophobia could be turned to account.
    Meanwhile the pure doctrines of Bolshevism were being spread in China, by Siag Sea Fu, pamphlet published by the Communist Party if Great Britain instilled into Chinese minds by the agents of Moscow. Agitators were trained at the Communist University of Tashkent. Communist groups were formed in Peking and Shanghai, Marxist evening classes were held in Canton. In 1921 the Chinese Communist Party was founded in Shanghai ; by the following year Canton had become the hub of the movement. Through all this. Western inspiration was clearly visible, as for example in the Appeal to Seamen issued in 1922 by the Communist Party of Canton, where the passage occurs ;

    In China as elsewhere the leadership of the revolutionary movement was thus largely in the hands of foreigners or of Chinese who had received a foreign education. This was the case with the three men, Gallent, Borodin and Chen, who carried on the campaign against Britain in Canton after the death of Sun-Yat-Sen on March 12, 1925.
    Gallent or Galen, who has now assumed the name of Blucher, was a Russian general, dispatched by Moscow, of whom the Bolsheviks still have great hopes as a leader. Jacob Borodin, alias Michael Grusenberg, was a more complex character. First heard of in Spain, where he had been sent by the Third International to carry on propaganda, he reappeared during the following year in Mexico and the United States, where he became known as a leading agitator. In 1922 he was smuggled into England as an ” underground ” agent to act as adviser to the British Communist Party. In August of the same year he was arrested under the name of George Brown in Glasgow, sentenced to six months’ imprisonment and subsequently deported. Borodin then passed into the service of Sun-Yat-Sen, and was appointed Chief Adviser to the Government of Canton, where he received his salary regularly from the Soviet Embassy.
    Borodin’s colleague Mr. Eugene Chen, the Cantonese Foreign Minister, appears to have been a real Chinese, but born in 1878 under the British flag in Trinidad, where he was known under the name of E. Bernard Acham (or Ackam). Later he came to England and qualified as a solicitor in London.He seems to have been living in Richmond when he suddenly made up his mind to go and “ help China.”
    What influences brought him to this decision have never been revealed, but it is interesting to note, that like many an Indian agitator, it was in England, to which he owed all his advantages of education and training, that he became the enemy of our too hospitable country. On his arrival in China he entered Government service, and during the War edited certain Peking newspapers in one of which, the People’s Tribune, he daily vilified the British as “ brutal murderers, robbers, exploiters and liars.” In 1919 he joined Sun-Yat-Sen’s Party, and in 1922 became Foreign Adviser to the Canton Government,

    ..snip….

    Soviet Government and instructions issued to Borodin and Gallent.^ Minutes of other meetings of the Polit Bureau and the Military Council of China were found, with discussions on the funds required for carrying on the campaign. One document, marked “ Strictly confidential,” contained instructions to the Soviet Embassy from Moscow, saying : ” Stir up the mob to violence against Europeans in general, and the British in particular.” In Peking, as in London and elsewhere, it was clearly shown that the Bolsheviks were abusing diplomatic privileges by making the Soviet Embassy a centre of intrigue and revolutionary propaganda.

    …snip….

    We cannot allow the Communists to make China the experimental field for Communism and cause millions to die without reason. The tactics of the Bolsheviks are to stir up mob violence through wholesale destruction in order to seize political power. . , , If we allow their horrible politics to prevail all will be brought to nought.
    (This was written before WW2, millions in China did die as it became an experimental field for communism!!!)

    ….snip….

    . which displays its moral superiority by assuming in every difference with another country that England must be in the wrong, and that the opponent is therefore entitled to sympathy and support. The influence of this type of denationalised idealism may be dearly traced, since the beginning of the century, in the wanton sacrifice of British interests at many a vital point, most notably in India, Egypt and Ireland.*

    Mr. Bland locates this school of thought at present largely in the Round Table Group, Chatham House (the Royal Institute of International Affairs) and the League of Nations Union.

    …snip….

    The following is an extract from a letter received by the present writer in 1925 from a British official in the East :
    I take a very serious view of the intrigues of the ” Round Table ” and ” Fabian Society ” amongst the superior Civil Services of the Crown. I have for some time past been doing all in my power to combat this evil, but with no success, as the “ Round Table ” is now very strongly represented in High Places in official life and in Parliamentary circles : and practically holds any Government in its power which is in any way dependent on this particular class of permanent official, combined with the political Zionists in maintaining the Party in position. I have just retired from where I have been the last five years . . . and have seen and felt— -very much to my cost — the power wielded by these two pernicious bodies working together.

    …snip….

    The paralysis that has afflicted every Government in turn may in part be produced by a group of political ” Idealists,” in the main sincere, but not unsusceptible to dangerous guidance. I find it difficult, however, to believe that such institutions as the Round Table Group, Chatham House, the League of Nations Union or even the Fabian Society — which has certainly succeeded in penetrating the Ministries and the whole Civil Service — could, unless in alliance with financial power, exercise so decisive an influence on the councils of the nation and bend statesmen of every party to their will. More potent causes for the suicidal tendencies of the British Empire must be at work — the Hidden Hand operates under many disguises.

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  138. Malla says:
    @Malla
    Very good comprehensive analysis and I agree Communism did play a role needed at that time. But there is a teeeny weeny problem here.
    Communism was itself pushed on East Asians by internationalist bankers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Ofep13FY4

    Andrei Fursov talks about Joseph Stalin's reluctance to create Communist China and how the Rockefellers wanted it.

    More on this

    https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/mao-yale-man-rothschilds-create-peoples-republic-china/

    Mao Was a Yale Man – Rothschilds Create People’s Republic of China

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/jews-in-china-mao-era/

    CHINAS “REVOLUTIONARY” JEWS

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/chinese-communism-yes-but-it-was-jewish-when-it-started/

    CHINESE COMMUNISM? YES BUT IT WAS JEWISH WHEN IT STARTED

    And check out what David Rockefeller said about Communist China, the creation of which, his banking oligarchic family had pushed for.

    “Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded, not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering a high morale and community propose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

    – David Rockefeller, New York Times, 1973

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  139. SomeGuy says:
    @byrresheim
    Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map.

    Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.

    So move on, there is nothing to see here.

    >Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    I grew up with those “Germans” from Russia who relocated in the 80s due to the better economy in Germany and they were about as German as I’m Russian.

    Their docs were either fake or a German was in their family many generations ago.

    Their kids also hated Germans just like turkroaches, go figure…

    My father was a real German however from former Bohemia, now Czech Republic. They were made to leave right after WW2, lots of them died and their fellow Germans didn’t want them in Germany and gave them a hard time.

    History is pretty much a shit sandwhich for most people it seems.

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  140. neutral says:
    @Malla
    Could we say
    Japanese=Northern Europeans
    Chinese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Vietnamese=Turks
    Other South East Asians=Arabs/Middle Easterners
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans

    Strange parallels if we go North to South in the European longitude zone and the East Asian longitude zone.
    Of course where does one put Koreans? Mongols? Siberians in Russia? Ainu?
    And is these any such difference in between Northern and Southern Chinese. Many early European traders wrote of Northern Chinese being more honest and introvert than Southern Chinese. Any truth in this?
    The Indian subcontinent would be akin to South America with India being the Brazil.

    I would agree in principle but I would adjust it a bit.
    Japanese=Aryans
    Chinese/Koreans=Central European/Slavs
    Vietnamese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Other South East Asians=Turks
    Indonesian=Arabs
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans
    Indians=Cannot compare to anything, they are Indians for both sides.

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    Good one. But how are Central European/Slavs not Aryans in a genetic sense?
    I guess you mean from behaviour/ honesty etc..., in that case only WASPs are Aryans.
    , @Singh
    Germans have not ever been Aryans you're a pathetic people with no history who first latched onto the heritage of the Israelite, then the Roman & now the Aryas।।
    , @Duke of Qin
    India isn't that complicated. I've developed a simple rule of thumb for classifying Indian society that I feel is at least 90% accurate.

    5% - competent. Essentially Brahmans close to the white mean, Heavily verbal skewed so you'll find them in the same niches as Jews; Finance, Media, Government, Academia. Any industry where bullshit and social networking is more important than delivering results. This formed the bulk of immigration to the West.

    20% semi competent. Half a standard deviation below white means. Your basic mercantile castes. Basically the equivalent of Levantine Arabs. What they lack in competence they make up for in doubling down on the ethnic nepotism and self dealing. Mediocre on their own, but highly parasitical in more open (less clannish) societies allowing them to fill an economic niche. Your Patel motel owners. A lot of Indians from the UK come from this category via way of Africa and also prevalent in SE Asia. More common now in the West than they used to be, which is why some Whites are beginning to catch on to the game the Indian elites have been playing that Indian immigration is somehow advantageous.

    75% incompetent. Probably a full standard deviation below. These are your typical violent incompetent turd world nincompoops. Basically your dumber form of Arab, the ones with not insignificant sub-Saharan admixture like say Egyptians. These people Westerners will never see unless they travel to India.
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  141. Sam J. says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Using "criticism, feigned outrage – moral attacks, futile debate, perceptions shaping stress and confusion, guilt trips, emotionalism, and assuming superior poses pretty much describes some of the tactics of white groups, including white Americans in their dealings with others. They aren’t a Chinese monopoly by any means, or a collectivist one either. Activities overseas by super individualistic, rationalistic Americans have included all the above tactics.


    .
    AaronB says:
    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.
    -----------------------------------------------

    But its not hard at all. We have the historical record. When the CHinese ran into the rational, rugged American individualists on the West Coast of the US, they pretty much ran the same playbook- tight, clannish organization, concentration on the building power in the economic sphere, extensive "behind the scenes" manipulation including bribery, and a penchant for blunt force grinding work that could outlast their detractors.


    .
    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.
    ---------------------------------------

    How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall..


    .
    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.
    ----------------------------------------------------

    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic? History delivers no such verdict. Matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that Americans prefer the contrary- appeals to the emotions, tribal loyalties (local, regional and racial) and good old fashioned cash on the barrelhead as in the horse trading, pork barrel, machine politics that keeps things moving. The university or think-tank egghead has never been a popular figure among Americans, and "rationalism" has had plenty of detractors- such as the fierce union struggles against "rational" corporate exploitation. And most Americans do not open everything up to debate- egghead academics in universities and think tanks might debate forever, but not the common "man in the street." Even the much maligned media follow certain shared understandings with the public.

    “…How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall….”

    Here’s what happened to the Jews when they went to China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

    The Chinese literally swallowed them up. Gone. Done. Ground into Chinese dust. Now they all are doing all they can to move to Israel because their power in China is…nothing, zilch.

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  142. Sam J. says:
    @Anon
    ...reached its nadir under Pol Pot, a man who combined secular Jewish messianism with atavistic Angkor yearnings. The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx. “No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

    Not so simple as all that. While Christianity was forcibly introduced to Southeast Asia by European Imperialists --- all in all, its influence was probably better than Buddhism with its streak of nihilism --- , communism was something Asians freely adopted on their own to expel the European Imperialists.
    While the Soviet Empire did forcibly take over and conquer peoples of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, communism spread in nations like China, Vietnam, and Cambodia out of the free will of Asians who came to believe that it was their best weapon against imperialism.

    The irony is that communism was indeed an effective weapon against imperialism, whereas Christianity was the religion of the invasive and oppressive foreigners. But in the long run, communism turned out to be oppressive and tyrannical(even murderous in some cases), and new generations of Chinese and Vietnamese are finding more meaning and purpose from Christianity, now divorced from imperialist designs. The new religion of Western Globalist Imperialism is Homomania as Jews have come to control the West and Jews have negative feelings about Christianity. The only kind of Christianity Jews can tolerate is the one that is all about Diversity or worshiping homos even more than Jesus.

    Anyway, I think we have to give communism some due. Yes, it was the god that failed. Its economic theory was ultimately flawed despite the utopian idealism. To understand why communism was bound to fail, one just has to imagine the entire economy of a metropolis run by city hall. City Hall can barely fund and manage the basic municipal operations. Imagine city hall controlling all the markets, all the restaurants, all the hotels, all the housing, all the stores, all the transportation, all the construction, and etc. Things would ground to a halt, especially since communism suppresses material incentives for hard work.

    Also, communism was bound to limit creativity because everything was about the collective and the plain. For good or ill, creativity is always elitist and/or iconic because it's about rare talents working toward perfection of archetypal forms. This is why most people are not star material. Only Paul Newman could be Paul Newman. Only Clint Eastwood could be Clint Eastwood. Even in pop culture, how many people have the talent of someone like Paul McCartney or Burt Bacharach to compose and craft such wonderful songs? True art must be honest or visionary; true entertainment must be inspired and exciting.

    Humanism is indispensable as the basic social philosophy of a nation, but arts and creativity are about the special talent with the perfectionist touch. Because communism saddled arts and culture with the heavy moralism of the Worker and Revolution, communist expressions got boring and predictable.
    Worse, people are naturally spiritual, and since communism banished religion, it turned to elevating secular figures as new gods, and this cult of personality got stupid and obnoxious.

    So, in the long run, communism was bound to fail, and it deserved to fail. Who wants to live under communism forever?

    Still, one must give credit where it's due in appreciating communism as a uniting force and organizing principle for Third World nations in a world where so many non-whites were under the domination of few Western nations. Against Western Imperialism, which seemed so overwhelming back then --- just like many people in the 80s thought communism would last for many more decades, maybe indefinitely --- , non-white peoples sought deliverance. How could they drive out the imperialists? Japanese offered an answer with Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it was a case of replacing one imperialism with another(that could be even more brutal). As for traditional values and schools of thoughts, they seemed useless against the dynamic and aggressive West. Confucianism seemed quaint and irrelevant. If anything, it came to be associated with effete scholars who were doing calligraphy when their nation was being carved up by foreigners. Taoism and Buddhism were too mystical and passive to address the dire problems of reality. Both were thought systems of detachment and non-action. The old elites were either gone, collaborating with the imperialists, or offered nothing but return to domestic tyranny of privileged elites lording over the people as slaves, serfs, or tenant-farmers.
    There was capitalism, but global capitalism was dominated by few European empires and the US. Even if capitalism could work in the long run, it was useless in creating a unified mass against the imperialists. For one thing, capitalism under imperialist rule will favor the imperialist investors and owners and the native collaborator-comprador elites, as well as foreign merchants doing the bidding of the imperialists, as was the case of the Chinese minority. Also, capitalism is mainly about profits, and so, even Vietnamese capitalists would prioritize profits above all else. Even if it hurt the cause of Vietnamese independence and sovereignty, Vietnamese capitalists would have chosen profits over patriotism. We see this in America too. So many US capitalists will betray American workers and national sovereignty to stuff their own pockets. So, capitalism without full national sovereignty would have failed to bring Vietnam together. Look at South Korea. As it is defined by capitalism under US neo-imperialism, it favors profits over national unity and sovereignty. Even when the US keeps increasing tensions to keep the peninsula divided indefinitely, South Koreans continue to play toady to America because profits come first. As such, the two Koreas may never unite again.
    Another problem with capitalism is it takes time to develop. While capitalism is ultimately more productive and efficient than communism, it can have an disorganizing than organizing impact on society since it's about the cutthroat competition of multiple players. Great Britain and the US were able to develop successful capitalist models because both were geographically secure and politically united. They didn't have to worry much about invasion, and if anything, they became invaders than the invaded.
    But without geographical security and political-national sovereignty, capitalism can cause more problems because its openness can lead to easy infiltration and takeover by foreigners. After all, it was through capitalism that globalist Jews gained so much control over Russia and South Africa.
    Also, even the successful East Asian capitalist models relied on significant government controls and support. The rise of Japanese and South Korean economies is hard to conceive without the role of the state. And it was also true of rise of Modern Germany.

    Under French Colonialism and then American neo-imperialism, Vietnam couldn't gain full national sovereignty with capitalism alone. Vietnamese needed something stronger and more ruthless in order to organize, unite, and fight to drive out the foreigners and build a new system based on nationalism and independence. And at the time, communism seemed like the best bet. Now, why not fascism?
    For several reasons. WWII gave fascism a bad name. Soviet Union, which presented itself as the champion of world revolutions, fought a bitter war against radical German fascism and prevailed. So, even fascists after WWII didn't want to be associated with the label.
    Another problem was Fascism is an ideology of working with existing systems than creating a new one from scratch. So, Mussolini inherited the conditions of modern Italy and tried to make the best of it by balancing capital and labor, tradition and modernity. Same with National Socialism in Germany. Hitler was working with existing systems and inherited political norms. He did push for radical change in some ways, but he didn't have to work from scratch, nor did he want to.

    In contrast, Vietnam was poor and backward. It had nothing much to inherit from the past. Also, the French imperialists had hardly invested much into Vietnam. They were mostly into exploitation of rubber like in the silly movie INDOCHINE. So, everything had to be built from scratch based on a new template. A more radical approach was needed than fascism that seeks a balance of tradition and modernity. (Now, Cuba could have done better with a fascist-nationalist model because the Castro regime did inherit a considerable economy and means of production from the pre-existing system. If the Castro regime had kicked out the mafia and worst of the oligarchs and had protected the national bourgeoisie on condition that they uphold Cuban nationalism against Yanqui and Jewish gangster-capitalism, it could have done so much more.)

    So, considering the main objectives of Ho Chi Minh, communism made good sense. Only communism could provide a simple but powerful idea to unite all Vietnamese who were poor and backward. In a nation with a small capitalist class and insignificant middle class, only something like communism could be a unifying force for the masses. Also, communist culture of discipline, purity of spirit, and sacrifice imbued the comrades with a willingness to die for the cause. It's like what Michael Corleone observes about the Cuban rebel who gave his own life for the Revolution. It's difficult for a revolution to succeed unless people are willing to die for it, just like it's difficult for capitalism to succeed unless people are willing to work hard to afford fun stuff.

    https://youtu.be/OM9sIbddq24?t=3m31s

    To liberate and unify the nation, Ho Chi Minh and his cohorts had only communism as an effective weapon against France and the US. Only communism could unify the masses, instill iron discipline into them, and make them want to fight and die for a higher cause. And the Vietnamese did manage to defeat the French and the Americans, the only such record in the 20th century. They also bested the Chinese in the late 70s and prevailed over Cambodia, then a satellite of China. Could Vietnam have done all this without communist principles of organization, morale, sacrifice, and vision? I doubt it.
    To be sure, it was a most tragic century as the Vietnamese fought almost non-stop from WWII to the 1990s. But it is united unlike sorry Korea. Also, Vietnam probably has more political and historical respect than all the vassal nations of Southeast Asia.

    If anything, it is capitalism that is turning Vietnam into shit again. Now, I'm all for economic reforms and market dynamics in Vietnam. I'm all for Vietnam forging new ties with US, China, and the world. But considering the great struggle, sacrifice, and achievements of the Revolution, the current elites of Vietnam should be hanged for cucking out to Homomania and letting prostitution run rampant again, turning Ho Chi Minh City into old Saigon. Profits and incentives are good, but a nation made by Viet Cong shouldn't go Viet Cuck.

    Now, the Middle East didn't need communism because they had a powerful and timeless idea as an organizing principle: Islam. With faith in Islam, the Afghanis drove out the Soviets. Unlike passive religions like Buddhism or secular philosophies like Confucianism, the energies of Islam will never fade. Now, Islam has lots of problems and, like communism, can be repressive and hold back necessary reforms. But in a world where anything related to 'freedom' and 'human rights' are so defined and controlled by US globalist hegemony, the non-West needs some powerful countervailing idea or force to keep some measure of sovereignty.

    And to that extent, we have to give communism some credit.

    “…Vietnam was poor and backward…. So, everything had to be built from scratch based on a new template. A more radical approach was needed than fascism that seeks a balance of tradition and modernity…”

    Good point and a good post. Made me think.

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  143. anarchyst says:
    @Sam J.
    "...vietnam war was started primarily to grab oil resources in the gulf of tonkin..."

    I wish people wouldn't say such silly things. If you remember the times the Commies were attacking all over the planet. They had multiple thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at the US and Europe and had publicly proclaimed they would bury the West. Now even the most simple, fleeting look at a map will show you that Vietnam was an important place geopoliticaly sitting aside the South Sea trade routes. I can state without any quibbles at all that if the US had not fought n Vietnam then large parts of South East Asia would have been lost to the Commies. During the time we were fighting in Vietnam the other countries around the area were fighting off their own Commie insurgencies. Some even won. Now there's a lot of White bashing about the US bombing this and that, I'm not counting the present as it's all because the Jews control the country, but just exactly what did the Commies do? Serve everyone tea? No they were some of the most horrendous killers ever on planet earth. As bad as we evil Whites are would you rather live in North Korea...forever?

    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place. Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam, but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American “(communist) mainstream media”, communists and their “fellow travelers” blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite’s declaration that “the American military lost the war” despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American “mainstream media” could not be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered “baby killers”, “loose cannons”, “mentally defective”, and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. It is curious to note that as soon as the draft was abolished, he “anti-war” movement dissipated. These anti-war protesters (along with their chickenhawk political opportunists) were only concerned about one thing–”saving their own skins”–nothing more. There was no concern for the tens of thousands of “boat people” risking life and limb to escape that communist “paradise”.
    Ken Burns’ “documentary” on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently “let it slip” about the TRUTH of the communist “re-education” camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that “re-education” would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.

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    Ken Burns was funded by Koch to remind you about the commies. Before Burns, Stanley Karnow did the same thing. His was a more thorough history, but he was careful enough not to leave out the commies. By the 1980s, commies were all the rage again. The Vietnam war was being touched up and re-written. Karnow wrote about the lying liars of this era later.

    You seem to be completely confused about everything Vietnam. Congratulations. The only way to win a war is to decisively defeat the public's perception of it. The collective must understand it properly without any of the wrong ideas. COMMIE!

    , @Twodees Partain
    " Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer."

    Actually, I would state that Ken Burns is just another communist.
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  144. Malla says:
    @neutral
    I would agree in principle but I would adjust it a bit.
    Japanese=Aryans
    Chinese/Koreans=Central European/Slavs
    Vietnamese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Other South East Asians=Turks
    Indonesian=Arabs
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans
    Indians=Cannot compare to anything, they are Indians for both sides.

    Good one. But how are Central European/Slavs not Aryans in a genetic sense?
    I guess you mean from behaviour/ honesty etc…, in that case only WASPs are Aryans.

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  145. Malla says:
    @Sam J.
    "...I recommend a very adroit book on the jewish question by Sartre..."

    Forget him. What you need is a few article by Revilo Oliver.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/wwoop.htm

    http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js07.html

    http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js07.html

    Wow, that is in a nutshell. Short and sweet.

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  146. AaronB says:
    @utu
    Do you remember the book name on American and Turkish POW's during the Korean War?

    Long time ago I read a review of memoirs by Australian POW's but now I can't locate it. I remember that Australians found American individualistic behavior devoid of solidarity in POW camp despicable. It is interesting that the same behavior is extolled in Clavell's novel King Rat where the ultimate surviver lives by wheeling and dealing that often exploits other prisoners.

    Sure utu,

    Peter Watson – war on the mind
    Denise Win – the manipulated mind
    James c. Scott – domination and the arts of resistance.

    All discuss the Korean war prisoner situation, if somewhat briefly. All fascinating books in their own right.

    Available for download at gen.lib.rus.ec

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  147. AaronB says:
    @SomeGuy
    If they speak English they must've learned from jews.

    Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play.

    Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.

    Needless to say, places where everybody jews each other hard are shitty ones to live in so they migrate elsewhere where they can make use of people that have better social norms.

    Typical shylock type behavior that got Chinese people shoa'd more than once:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vietnamese-tourist-kneels-and-begs-for-refund-of-iphone-6-at-sim-lim-square-0

    I’m sure they adapt their tactics to the situation. There is no “Chinese style” of doing business anymore than there is a “Jewish style” (in the immutable unchanging sense. In the proximate sense there very much is).

    Local conditions dictate your tactics, and what is possible.

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    As to the "jewish style" of doing business, all of the 2nd and 3rd generation Jewish vendors I used to deal with in the millinery district of NYC are gone. Their politics led them into a devotion for Bloomie and his policies destroyed their business model which had been established by their grandfathers and their fathers.

    I miss them these days. A Sikh importer way out in Long Island bought up much of their inventory remainders and I've bought a lot of it, out of date though it is.
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  148. AaronB says:
    @Sam J.
    This is a very good comment. Very, very good and quite right. In order to fight the situation we're in a certain amount of pigheadedness is needed. I no longer give a damn about individualism or fairness until we can get a country to ourselves. Until then I care about my people first.

    I love how you've constrained a vast amount of critical thought into such a small space.

    Thanks, Sam, I appreciate it.

    Yes, you have to have a certain amount of pigheadedness as it were. Certain questions are off the table. Not everything gets analyzed. If someone tries – don’t even engage in debate! By agreeing to debate, in some situations, you have conceded defeat. Every good salesman knows that, and exploits it.

    Rationality is vastly overrated. It’s a tool – don’t let it control you.

    Whites have to relearn the arts of being successful human beings, not just machines that invent machines. And they will – necessity will see to that.

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    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a "double mind" - where the surface doesn't necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you're in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they're in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer'a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence - building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn't reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It's why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area - and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the "human" arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too - their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren't inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don't really know Asian culture often think it seems "boring". But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our "Promethean" culture and towards sanity and balance.
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  149. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place. Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam, but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American "(communist) mainstream media", communists and their "fellow travelers" blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite's declaration that "the American military lost the war" despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American "mainstream media" could not be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered "baby killers", "loose cannons", "mentally defective", and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. It is curious to note that as soon as the draft was abolished, he "anti-war" movement dissipated. These anti-war protesters (along with their chickenhawk political opportunists) were only concerned about one thing--"saving their own skins"--nothing more. There was no concern for the tens of thousands of "boat people" risking life and limb to escape that communist "paradise".
    Ken Burns' "documentary" on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently "let it slip" about the TRUTH of the communist "re-education" camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that "re-education" would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.

    Ken Burns was funded by Koch to remind you about the commies. Before Burns, Stanley Karnow did the same thing. His was a more thorough history, but he was careful enough not to leave out the commies. By the 1980s, commies were all the rage again. The Vietnam war was being touched up and re-written. Karnow wrote about the lying liars of this era later.

    You seem to be completely confused about everything Vietnam. Congratulations. The only way to win a war is to decisively defeat the public’s perception of it. The collective must understand it properly without any of the wrong ideas. COMMIE!

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  150. Malla says:
    @Truth

    As for Jews, their communal and home life is very conservative,
     
    You sure you're feeling OK?

    You sure you’re feeling OK?

    I guess he means Hasidic Jews/Ultra orthodox Jews. Liberal Jews are definitely not conservative, indeed they have played a big part in destroying conservatism and they themselves got infected by the liberal disease they helped spread on others. Some Jews like Prager are trying to right that wrong.

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  151. AaronB says:
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    Using "criticism, feigned outrage – moral attacks, futile debate, perceptions shaping stress and confusion, guilt trips, emotionalism, and assuming superior poses pretty much describes some of the tactics of white groups, including white Americans in their dealings with others. They aren’t a Chinese monopoly by any means, or a collectivist one either. Activities overseas by super individualistic, rationalistic Americans have included all the above tactics.


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    AaronB says:
    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.
    -----------------------------------------------

    But its not hard at all. We have the historical record. When the CHinese ran into the rational, rugged American individualists on the West Coast of the US, they pretty much ran the same playbook- tight, clannish organization, concentration on the building power in the economic sphere, extensive "behind the scenes" manipulation including bribery, and a penchant for blunt force grinding work that could outlast their detractors.


    .
    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate – thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.
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    How so? When the Jews encountered the collectivist societies like in the Ottoman Empire, etc etc, they pretty much, like the Chinese in their own sphere, ran the same plays, and did not do too badly overall..


    .
    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans – if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it’s easy to create confusion.
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    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic? History delivers no such verdict. Matter of fact there is plenty of evidence that Americans prefer the contrary- appeals to the emotions, tribal loyalties (local, regional and racial) and good old fashioned cash on the barrelhead as in the horse trading, pork barrel, machine politics that keeps things moving. The university or think-tank egghead has never been a popular figure among Americans, and "rationalism" has had plenty of detractors- such as the fierce union struggles against "rational" corporate exploitation. And most Americans do not open everything up to debate- egghead academics in universities and think tanks might debate forever, but not the common "man in the street." Even the much maligned media follow certain shared understandings with the public.

    Sure, they aren’t a Chinese or Jewish monopoly. Tactics transcend frontiers. Nothing is set in stone.

    Whites have certainly used these tactics in the past, and there are probably some who still do today.

    I am talking in generalities, and largely, focusing on the post WW2 situation. Western culture was/is on a trajectory – a trend, a process, a line of developement. Today, whites tend not to use these tactics, because they don’t fit so well in a nationalistic framework, or an individualistic one. In the 19th century, they used them more, but individualism was already gaining momentum.

    We don’t know if the Chinese would try and dominate and undermine local culture in AS Asia if they could. That they haven’t tried that in America yet means nothing. A precondition for trying that is that you closely resemble the local population – they do in SEA, not in America . Plus, in America that niche is occupied by a non-individualistic, non hyper-nationalistic group. So the Chinese would be competing again a collectivist group that more closely resembles and understands the host population.

    There are some signs that the Chinese do undermine host population self-confidence in SEA. In Thailand, where I’ve done business, the locals despise their brown skin and use whitening cream to try and look more like their overlords. Skinny Chinese guys with glasses are prized by local women.

    At least Americans are left with enough self confidence to not try and look like Jews and Jewish men aren’t widely desired.

    So, there are clear analogiez, and clear differences.

    As for Jews in the Ottoman empire, there simply isn’t any comparison. They did well, but were not nearly as dominant as they are in America, or were in Germany before the war. Which pretty much proves my point, not yours.

    Jews achieved greater dominance among a host population that was scientifically and technologically advanced because related to that comes hyper-rationality and atomization. You would think that Jews would be much dominant among the backward Ottomans. But the reverse is the case. Which proves my point.

    Sure, the common American man isn’t as rationalistic or as individualistic as the intellectual elite. But we are ruled by our elites, not the common man, and elite attitudes filter down to the masses. The common American man today is confused and demoralized by his elites.

    What made the WASP elite, a larger and certainly higher IQ group than Jews (a white “elite” would have a higher IQ than the Jewish “average” – based on mean group IQ and population numbers. And would vastly outnumber them. Do the math. Episcopalians alone, only one section of the white elite, have the same mean IQ as Jews), no match for the collectivist and non-rational tactics of Jews when the question was one of gaining social power and not producing machines, was the atomization and hyper-rationalism that the record shows was the theme of of elite American culture. Which also sapped motivation and morale – the very desire to hold on to power against determined and collective attacks.

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    Jew weren't competing with Turks, though, they were competing with Greeks and Armenians.
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  152. Malla says:
    @Malla

    In domestic matters, the “neocon Jews” have served conservative interests well in terms of their in-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism.
     
    Some of these neocon Jews were Trotskyites once. They support what is good for Israel. In-depth intellectual attacks against various aspects of New Deal/Great Society liberalism to attack the left as many in the left are very pro Palestinian.

    Come to think of it, there is not much difference in between Trotskyites and Neo Cons.
    The trotsyites wanted to spread ‘revolution’ throughout the world.
    The neo-cons want to spread ‘democracy’ throughout the world. The change was not that hard. The same games are being played but with different uniforms.

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  153. AaronB says:
    @Malla
    As an Indian living in a collectivist society, your analysis is spot on. One of the many reasons I support White nationalism is because I find it unfair and unjust that the individualistc, rationalistic, universalist people are the one's suffering the risk of loss of land and even genocide while the clannish, collectivist, racist (yes, we non Whites are super racist but your libtard crackpot will not accept that) non Whites are getting an advantage.

    Thanks.

    Yes, but it was a self inflicted wound for whites. And it did give whites tremendous advantages over the collectivist races – for a time. It allowed for the creation of technology, which allowed them to dominate the world for a time.

    Let’s not whitewash whites :)

    Over time, the source of white strength became the source of white weakness. It went too far and undermined itself. Anything carried too far undermines itself eventually.

    Whites, at the moment may indeed need to “whitewash” themselves as part of the process of recovery and because their enemies take advsntage. The erection of a new white myth is a healthy and necessary part of revitalization.

    If the new myth is one of relative balance – it strikes a mean between racial pride and racial self-loathing, when historically all group myths are ones of excessive racial pride. (as you say, this is characteristic of non white groups today. We see this on this forum) – then perhaps the last gasp of Western exceptionalism will have brought into the world something genuinely new. Western “progress” will have vindicated itself in its last gasp :)

    We can hope.

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  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    Sure, they aren't a Chinese or Jewish monopoly. Tactics transcend frontiers. Nothing is set in stone.

    Whites have certainly used these tactics in the past, and there are probably some who still do today.

    I am talking in generalities, and largely, focusing on the post WW2 situation. Western culture was/is on a trajectory - a trend, a process, a line of developement. Today, whites tend not to use these tactics, because they don't fit so well in a nationalistic framework, or an individualistic one. In the 19th century, they used them more, but individualism was already gaining momentum.

    We don't know if the Chinese would try and dominate and undermine local culture in AS Asia if they could. That they haven't tried that in America yet means nothing. A precondition for trying that is that you closely resemble the local population - they do in SEA, not in America . Plus, in America that niche is occupied by a non-individualistic, non hyper-nationalistic group. So the Chinese would be competing again a collectivist group that more closely resembles and understands the host population.

    There are some signs that the Chinese do undermine host population self-confidence in SEA. In Thailand, where I've done business, the locals despise their brown skin and use whitening cream to try and look more like their overlords. Skinny Chinese guys with glasses are prized by local women.

    At least Americans are left with enough self confidence to not try and look like Jews and Jewish men aren't widely desired.

    So, there are clear analogiez, and clear differences.

    As for Jews in the Ottoman empire, there simply isn't any comparison. They did well, but were not nearly as dominant as they are in America, or were in Germany before the war. Which pretty much proves my point, not yours.

    Jews achieved greater dominance among a host population that was scientifically and technologically advanced because related to that comes hyper-rationality and atomization. You would think that Jews would be much dominant among the backward Ottomans. But the reverse is the case. Which proves my point.

    Sure, the common American man isn't as rationalistic or as individualistic as the intellectual elite. But we are ruled by our elites, not the common man, and elite attitudes filter down to the masses. The common American man today is confused and demoralized by his elites.

    What made the WASP elite, a larger and certainly higher IQ group than Jews (a white "elite" would have a higher IQ than the Jewish "average" - based on mean group IQ and population numbers. And would vastly outnumber them. Do the math. Episcopalians alone, only one section of the white elite, have the same mean IQ as Jews), no match for the collectivist and non-rational tactics of Jews when the question was one of gaining social power and not producing machines, was the atomization and hyper-rationalism that the record shows was the theme of of elite American culture. Which also sapped motivation and morale - the very desire to hold on to power against determined and collective attacks.

    Jew weren’t competing with Turks, though, they were competing with Greeks and Armenians.

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  155. @EnriiiqueCardovaa
    You are completely wrong on several counts. The Chinese have in several respects been like the Jews- from their economic and educational dominance, to the clannishness, to their perceived "dual loyalties." It is not Amy Chua that makes the case, but the hard record of history, as conservative, and very NON superficial Thomas Sowell shows time and time again. No one need Chua to make the case, history makes the case.

    You also say that the Jews have no peasantry, but this is a weak point for while lack of a peasantry is generally true as to the diaspora, the Chinese have also pursued urban activities heavily as they settled throughout Asia. Matter of fact Chinese ownership of land was frowned upon by locals in many places, forcing the Chinese, like the Jews, to go into more urban occupations and pursuits. Hence the resented Chinese shopkeeper, mill owner etc is a staple figure in Southeast Asia. This does not mean no peasantry- there were farmers in various spots- but the bulk of Chinese activity was linked more with the urban line. The same pattern shows in the United States. The Chinese were driven out or restricted as to land-ownership. They were forced to go urban- hence the famous "Chinatowns" all over the US. Here again is another strong parallel to the Jews, parallels which you claim do not exist.


    You also say peasant types were mocked and scorned in Jewry. But this is dubious. Again, diasporan Jews were in many cases forbidden or discouraged from getting a land base. They had to go urban, just like the Chinese in the US and elsewhere. When the Jews had a chance to put together a viable living via agricultural occupations as in Israel, they did so with aplomb. And not only Israel. In his The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil's sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal. And in ancient Babylonia there were quite large Jewish agricultural communities, until these were suppressed via taxation and other measures, after the Arab conquest.

    You say Germans prospered everywhere they went, true, but so did Jews and so did Chinese. And the wars against the Germans ere not "race" wars. This is laughable propaganda put forth by certain corporals. There is very little "racial" difference between Germans and their conquerors- white Americans, British and Russians- variation yes (what else is new) but no earth-shattering "racial" differences. And since when have Germans been "wiped off the mat?" This is even more laughable, unless you are equating "true Germans" with the long failed propaganda line put forth by the Austrian corporal.

    LOL. Okay, bro. You got me.

    I’ve only got a few minutes – but next time you’re in Tel Aviv, take a walk through Rabin Square. You’ll see an ugly monument to the Holocaust by Yigal Tumarkin, an inverted pyramid. That pyramid represents what the great Zionist Ber Borochov said about the Jews (specifically Ashkenazis) in exile – that unlike other nations, theirs had no peasant base, and so was unwieldy and bizarre and unproductive. Like most early Zionists, and unlike most keyboard defenders of the Jews, he didn’t make excuses for his people.

    And as a bonus, since you’ve apparently never heard of degermanization campaigns, you can find a small example just by making a jaunt across town to the once flourishing agricultural community of Sarona. Peel yourself a juicy Jaffa orange and find out what happened there.

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    Would you mind elaborating on where you read of Tumarkin's inspiration for the Holocaust monument in Tel Aviv? Tumarkin, who is elderly and ailing, is a close relative. I'm curious about where you may have read that (I believe it is true, btw, or at least that Yigal has said so in the past), and whether this and/or related info can be found online. AFAIK, such information would be hard to find outside of Hebrew language periodicals, old catalogs and industry and academic texts, also mostly in Hebrew.
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  156. Che Guava says:

    Daniel,

    I like your comment about overtime.

    … but I think employees of Foxconn and others do not like doing it, but are forced to.

    In Japan, the notoriously long working hours are something of a myth. One place I worked many years ago, major, I had to work very late one night to meet a deadline for programming. I finish, come out, it is after 9.30 p.m., the office still half full of people, they are not working but socialising or playing with their computers.

    That phenom., many other similar before and since, it is just loneliness and not wanting to go home, but was the latest hour I was seeing it.

    Do not want to be in the office so late!

    Many interesting comments on this thread, yours included, many questions on some of the points from me, but I will only leaving one.

    I see that the Wikipedia claims that the Vietnamese language is ‘austro-asian’. Sure, I can hear the phonological similarities to Thai. The grammar seems to make that claim wrong,

    I am not understanding the Vietnamese language, but the cognates and patterns that I do recognise are making me think that it is in the same family as the many Chinese dialects (or languages, since many are not mutually comprehensible in speech).

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    Vietnamese is austro asiatic with influence from dai and Chinese. Racially the vietnamese are similiar to the dai/tai. Check out out Razib Khan's work on vietnamese genetics.

    The following link explains the origin of the vietnamese language quite well.

    http://eastasiaorigin.blogspot.sg/2017/07/origin-of-vietnamese-language.html

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  157. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for this, Linh. Keep ‘em coming.

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  158. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    and his sister is married to a rich Jewish guy nearly twice her age in California. They roam the world to scuba dive.

    Sounds like the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, Jeffrey Laurie, married to the much younger Vietnamese immigrant, Tina Lai. https://heavy.com/sports/2018/02/jeffrey-lurie-wife-tina-lai-age-bio/

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  159. @utu

    A good reason to support Israel!
     
    On Mars even better.

    A good reason to support Israel!

    On Mars even better.

    Maybe that’s why Elon Musk is working so hard to start a colony on Mars. Let’s ship all the Jews, Muslims and blacks there, so we can have some peace.

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  160. AaronB says:
    @AaronB
    Thanks, Sam, I appreciate it.

    Yes, you have to have a certain amount of pigheadedness as it were. Certain questions are off the table. Not everything gets analyzed. If someone tries - don't even engage in debate! By agreeing to debate, in some situations, you have conceded defeat. Every good salesman knows that, and exploits it.

    Rationality is vastly overrated. It's a tool - don't let it control you.

    Whites have to relearn the arts of being successful human beings, not just machines that invent machines. And they will - necessity will see to that.

    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a “double mind” – where the surface doesn’t necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you’re in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they’re in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer’a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence – building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn’t reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It’s why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area – and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the “human” arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too – their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren’t inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don’t really know Asian culture often think it seems “boring”. But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our “Promethean” culture and towards sanity and balance.

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    AaronB said: We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance."

    Yup... refer to high American culture on display below?

    https://youtu.be/h822LPnM5uw
    , @wayfarer

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.
     
    Now mankind needs to develop the skills that would enable it to dominate spiritual space, as one race, the human race. Ultimately its specialization would also lead to “stupidity,” but not for quite some time. For within a relatively infinite observable universe (one light year ~ 9.5 trillion kilometers) there is unimaginable abundance and adequate resources for each and every living being, here on earth today.

    Thanks for being of “service-to-others,” and sharing some love/wisdom with your fellow man.
    , @utu
    You are doing very good job.
    , @Malla
    Brilliant comment

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence – building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn’t reality, but social results).
     
    Maybe because Whites evolved in the cold North and had to fight nature to survive. Besides Whites of different tribes were often in situations where they had to cooperate to survive difficult situations in the snowy wastelands. That explains why Whites trust strangers much more easily than browns. This trust was meant only for fellow Whites of different ethnic group/tribe, not all mankind. Because of the influence of universal Christianity/ modernism they now trust everybody easily (to come to their countries), something others take advantage of.

    Jews evolved in the Middle Zone (in between the cold north and Hot tropics) where due to early start in farming, population densities rose faster, much earlier. So dealing with people was more important. Besides that, in the Middle Zone there was multi racialism/multiculturalism, races of different types (Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids, Australoids) came and fought each other, mixed with each other, mated with each other. Hence populations here are untrustworthy of outsiders and concentrate on exploiting the out group.
    , @Malla

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak,
     
    Very true, you may find Otto Weininger's thoughts, himself of Jewish ancestry helpful

    As there is no real dignity in women, so what is meant by the word "gentleman" does not exist amongst the Jews. The genuine Jew fails in this innate good breeding by which alone individuals honour their own individuality and respect that of others. There is no Jewish nobility, and this is the more surprising as Jewish pedigrees can be traced back for thousands of years.

    The familiar Jewish arrogance has a similar explanation; it springs from want of true knowledge of himself and the consequent overpowering need he feels to enhance his own personality by depreciating that of his fellow-creatures. . . .

    The faults of the Jewish race have often been attributed to the repression of that race by Aryans, and many Christians are still disposed to blame themselves in this respect. But the self- reproach is not justified. Outward circumstances do not mould a race in one direction, unless there is in the race the innate tendency to respond to the moulding forces; the total result comes at least as much from a natural disposition as from the modifying circumstances. . . .

    . . . The Jew is not really anti-moral. But, none the less, he does not represent the highest ethical type. He is rather non- moral, neither good nor bad. . . .

    . . . According to the definition of Schopenhauer, the word "God" indicates a man who made the world. This certainly is a true likeness of the God of the Jew. Of the divine in man, the true Jew knows nothing; for what Christ and Plato, Eckhard and Paul, Goethe and Kant, the priests of the Vedas, and Fechner, and every Aryan have meant by the divine, for what the saying, "I am with you always even to the end of the world" - for the meaning of all these the Jew remains without understanding. For the God in man is the human soul, and the absolute Jew is devoid of a soul.

    It is inevitable, then, that we should find no trace of belief in immortality in the Old Testament. Those who have no soul can have no craving for immortality, and so it is with the woman and the Jew.

    . . . Jewish monotheism has no relation to a true belief in God; it is not a religion of reason, but a belief of old women founded on fear.

    Why is it that the Jewish slave of Jehovah should become so readily a materialist or a freethinker? It is merely the alternative phase to slavery; arrogance about what is not understood is the other side of the slavish intelligence. When it is fully recognised that Judaism is to be regarded rather as an idea in which other races have a share, than as the absolute property of a particular race, then the Judaic element in modern materialistic science will be better understood. Wagner has given expression to Judaism in music; there remains something to say about Judaism in modern science.

    Judaism in science, in the widest interpretation of it, is the endeavour to remove all transcendentalism. The Aryan feels that the effort to grasp everything, and to refer everything to some system of deductions, really robs things of their true meaning; for him, what cannot be discovered is what gives the world its significance. The Jew has no fear of these hidden and secret elements, for he has no consciousness of their presence. He tries to take a view of the world as flat and commonplace as possible, and to refuse to see all the secret and spiritual meanings of things. His view is non-philosophical rather than anti-philosophical. . . .

    In the case of the Aryans, the metaphysical qualities of the male are part of his sexual attraction for the woman, and so, in a fashion, she puts on an appearance of these. The Jew, on the other hand, has no transcendental quality, and in the shaping and moulding of the wife leaves the natural tendencies of the female nature a more unhampered sphere; and the Jewish woman, accordingly, plays the part required of her, as house-mother or odalisque, as Cybele or Cyprian, in the fullest way.

    It is not, then, mysticism that the Jew is without, as Chamberlain maintains, but reverence. If he were only an honest-minded materialist or a frank evolutionist! He is not a critic, but only critical; he is not a sceptic in the Cartesian sense, not a doubter who sets out from doubt towards truth, but an ironist; as, for instance, to take a conspicuous example, Heine.

    What, then, is the Jew if he is nothing that a man can be? What goes on within him if he is utterly without finality, if there is no ground in him which the plumb line of psychology may reach?

    The psychological contents of the Jewish mind are always double or multiple. There are always before him two or many possibilities, where the Aryan, although he sees as widely, feels himself limited in his choice. I think that the idea of Judaism consists in this want of reality, this absence of any fundamental relation to the thing-in-and-for-itself. He stands, so to speak, outside reality, without ever entering it. He can never make himself one with anything - never enter into real relationships. He is a zealot without zeal; he has no share in the unlimited, the unconditioned. He is without simplicity of faith, and so is always turning to each new interpretation, so seeming more alert than the Aryan. Internal multiplicity is the essence of Judaism, internal simplicity that of the Aryan.

    Our age is not only the most Jewish but the most feminine. It is a time when art is content with daubs and seeks its inspiration in the sports of animals; the time of a superficial anarchy, with no feeling for Justice and the State; a time of communistic ethics, of the most foolish of historical views, the materialistic interpretation of history; a time of capitalism and of Marxism; a time when history, life, and science are no more than political economy and technical instruction: a time when genius is supposed to be a form of madness; a time with no great artists and no great philosophers; a time without originality and yet with the most foolish craving for originality; a time when the cult of the Virgin has been replaced by that of the Demi-vierge. It is the time when pairing has not only been approved but has been enjoined as a duty.

    But from the new Judaism the new Christianity may be pressing forth; mankind waits for the new founder of religion, and, as in the year one, the age presses for a decision. The decision must be made between Judaism and Christianity, between business and culture, between male and female, between the race and the individual, between unworthiness and worth, between the earthly and the higher life, between negation and the God-like. Mankind has the choice to make. There are only two poles, and there is no middle way.
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  161. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Not a peep from heterosexual false flag stimulator Revusky. “It’s the jews!” says Linh. “Zionists” adds Barrett, warmly.

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  162. @AaronB
    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a "double mind" - where the surface doesn't necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you're in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they're in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer'a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence - building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn't reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It's why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area - and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the "human" arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too - their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren't inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don't really know Asian culture often think it seems "boring". But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our "Promethean" culture and towards sanity and balance.

    AaronB said: We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance.”

    Yup… refer to high American culture on display below?

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    Well, yeah, modern culture.

    The joys of seeing who gets to hit the bottom of the barrel first.
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  163. @ChuckOrloski
    AaronB said: We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance."

    Yup... refer to high American culture on display below?

    https://youtu.be/h822LPnM5uw

    Well, yeah, modern culture.

    The joys of seeing who gets to hit the bottom of the barrel first.

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  164. Singh says:
    @Malla

    But who says Americans are overly rationalistic?
     
    I can understand your point, you are correct. You keep on posting how the Whites are just as bad as anybody. But compared to the standards of the rest of the world where clannishness is basic norm, Western societies and peoples have shown more incidents of self criticism than most other societies.

    For example the kind of immigration seen in the UK for example since WW2 would BE IMPOSSIBLE in India. If the numbers (as a percentage of original population) of racially different people would be allowed immigration in India, years ago (in a much earlier stage of population importation), there would have been riots in the streets, the politicians responsible found and hunted down, the party which allowed so many outsiders would never win in the next 60 years. A local version of the BNP (British Nationalist Party) would have won land slide victories in elections. Hell our present ruling party the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) is not that different from the BNP and the BNP may even be milder in comparison. Hardcore BJP ites (like the poster Singh on Unz) openly call for massacring all Muslims and Christians and cleansing our holy land of these vermin.

    Reminder that there are no Mandir in Mecca or Vatican is our holy land less holy because it’s ‘Pagan’

    Abrahamics are free to denounce their bigotry & apostasy would probably work better for us

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/how-japan-dealt-with-the-christian-threat/

    Also you cucked faggot I’m not a Democrat so don’t put words in my mouth like Bjp supporter।।

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    You fool!!! There are mandirs/gurudwaras in Britain, America, France, Canada, Australia. All of them traditionally Christian nations.

    Also you cucked faggot
     
    And you are a brave Jatt Sikh? When Talha was question the Islamic brutality in pre colonial India, you ran away and I was defending our history. When 'Bliss' the communist faggot was insulting India, I fought with him on Unz, you ran away.
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  165. Singh says:
    @Malla
    As an Indian living in a collectivist society, your analysis is spot on. One of the many reasons I support White nationalism is because I find it unfair and unjust that the individualistc, rationalistic, universalist people are the one's suffering the risk of loss of land and even genocide while the clannish, collectivist, racist (yes, we non Whites are super racist but your libtard crackpot will not accept that) non Whites are getting an advantage.

    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/954791387882385408

    If you say they’re manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Not a horse, not an elephant and a tiger, certainly not. Give a young goat as oblation;,the Gods destroy the weak.

    Nobody will mourn them least not themselves as they only worship Jewish Ancestors।।

    Our Blood tends toward extremism both the most Radical Euro Pagans (Rus/Ukr) & Muslim (Afghan) are the most related to us।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।
     
    And why not the Muslim Arabs and Turks who were a 1000 times more brutal to us than the Brits? Why no flood Turkey and Arabia with Indians and Africans? How are Indians treated in Saudia? Like slaves no? What is brave Sikh Jatt doing about is? How are Indians treated in Britain? Given citizenship and equal pay no? Why brave Jatt Sikh only lambast kind gora angrez, but act like pussy in front of Saudia/Turki? What is brave Sikh Jatt doing about Arab melech treating your Hindu/Sikh brothers as slaves and Turkia not allowing Indian immigration to make up for 500 years of brutal Turko rule (a 1000 times more brutal than Angrez rule) over Hindus/Sikhs?

    Why does Sweden who hardly have much of an Empire share the same fate? Why does Ireland who had no empire outside Europe ahve to share the same fate? This Europeans deserve it due to colonization is nonsense. Turkey had Ottoman Empire, why no mass migration there?
    Jews want to finish of White race so than we will be goyim slaves of them.

    If you say they’re manipulated by Jews or elites then,
     
    Bhai mere, do you have biometric Aadhar card? If yes, (if no, it will become impossible to live in India soon) you are already on your way to become slave of Jewish bankers. Jews run India too, fool. Try attacking a Chabad House in India, your own Indian government will deliver you in a crate to mossad and the rest.......Wake up and smell the coffee.

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/the-modi-bloomberg-smart-kosher-cities/
    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/uidai-aadhar-national-population-register-nilekani-and-the-globalist-agenda/
    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/rothschild-nm-and-the-tata-mess/
    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/ntro-s-kosher-backdoor/

    And who got Modi into power?
    https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2013/04/apco-namo-namah-narendra-modis-ressurection/
    Why was an Indian Nationalist brought into power by globalists with links to Israel.
    Jews are doing a total takeover of Bharat varsha and there will be looting of your Hindu/Sikh brother's blood and sweat for centuries, take my word.
    , @Malla

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।
     
    Cleanse all Melech (non Hindus) from Indian subcontinent only or the entire world?
    , @Malla

    They kind of deserve it ..... trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।
     
    And that would have been good for the world. And thus to prevent this from happening the globalists and their secret societies launched Communism, Islamic fundamentalism, Hippie movements, Urban culture, Hindu fundamentalism, counter culture, Hindu holyment in the west, anti colonialism, Afrocentrism, Cultural Marxism, black conscious communities, Gangsta Rap, La Raza etc.... All of that launched to prevent this from happening.

    What I understand is that the Globalist elite scum want us all to either behave like this

    A]

    https://bridgeclubbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Hype-Delhi-Eros-Hotel-1.jpg

    https://www.worldwidehippies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Hippies.jpg

    OR on the other hand like this

    B]

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1153402-3x2-940x627.jpg

    http://im.rediff.com/news/2015/mar/04siddiq.jpg

    OR even this

    C]

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/01/17/33B659C200000578-3568271-Communists_with_banners_featuring_Soviet_dictator_Stalin_were_am-m-30_1462119758377.jpg

    But not like this

    D]

    http://www.victorian-era.org/images/Victorian-Era-Courtship-Rules-And-Marriage-1.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p6oirjNkDIQ/UyNoeMsYPqI/AAAAAAAASBk/5X--EJcyoqc/s1600/Granada+Sherlock+Holmes.jpg

    http://www.washingtoncoordinators.com/018.JPG

    The globalists hate hate hate [D] behaviour and culture for the masses. After watching Hollywood for years, anyone can get this propaganda.

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  166. Singh says:
    @neutral
    I would agree in principle but I would adjust it a bit.
    Japanese=Aryans
    Chinese/Koreans=Central European/Slavs
    Vietnamese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Other South East Asians=Turks
    Indonesian=Arabs
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans
    Indians=Cannot compare to anything, they are Indians for both sides.

    Germans have not ever been Aryans you’re a pathetic people with no history who first latched onto the heritage of the Israelite, then the Roman & now the Aryas।।

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    I suggest you go to people that study German history and tell them of your profound truth that there is no German history.
    , @Malla
    More Hinduvadi nonsense which has it's origins amongst slimey Theosophists. You are blabeering the theories of General Olcott, a theosophist and a freemason.

    Check out the Alani
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
    The name Alan is an Iranian dialectical form of Aryan, a common self-designation of the Indo-Iranians.
    ...snip....
    The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans were tall, and blond:

    Nearly all the Alani are men of great stature and beauty; their hair is somewhat yellow, their eyes are terribly fierce.[55]

    Also
    From

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    Moslem voyagers, traders, and theologians from the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties/caliphates, came into contact with the Vikings during their visits to trading centers such as Kiev and Novgorod, part of the “Volga Trade route.” Moslems appeared to have become very familiar with the Old Norse kinsfolk and their belief systems during these visits.

    Moslems classified the Vikings as Majūs or “heathen Zoroastrians,” since they thought them to be very much like Zoroastrians of pre Islamic Iran/Persia.

    Majūs, plural majūsī, from Greek Mágos μάγος, Latin Magus, is a term that goes back to the Avestan magá, referring to the Zoroastrian shaman warriors.

    According to Ibn Rustah’s (10th century,) Vikings accorded great respect to their ‘shamans’ [attibah] who had great authority over their chieftain.

    In almost all moslem accounts, reference to the Vikings starts with the phrase: “al-Majus (Vikings/Zoroastrians) – May God curse them!” Moslem envoys referred to the Viking chiefs/kings as malik al-majūs, and to the Viking lands as bilād al-majūs.

    Regarding Christianized Vikings, Moslem accounts state: Norse men were Majusi “Zoroastrian heathens,” but they now follow the Christian faith dīn al-naṣranīya, and have given up fire-worship and their previous religion, except for the people of a few scattered islands of theirs in the sea, where they keep to their old Majusi (Zoroastrian) faith.

    Moslem accounts to the Vikings include Al-Ghazal’s (8th – 9th Century, Al-Andalus) entitled “embassy mission to the Vikings,” originated within Al-Muqtabis fi tarikh al-Andalus of Ibn Hayyan (The collected knowledge on the history of Al-Andalus.)

    The most extensive account on the Vikings by Moslems is that written by Ibn Fadlan (10th Century, Baghdad.)

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  167. @Che Guava
    Daniel,

    I like your comment about overtime.

    ... but I think employees of Foxconn and others do not like doing it, but are forced to.

    In Japan, the notoriously long working hours are something of a myth. One place I worked many years ago, major, I had to work very late one night to meet a deadline for programming. I finish, come out, it is after 9.30 p.m., the office still half full of people, they are not working but socialising or playing with their computers.

    That phenom., many other similar before and since, it is just loneliness and not wanting to go home, but was the latest hour I was seeing it.

    Do not want to be in the office so late!

    Many interesting comments on this thread, yours included, many questions on some of the points from me, but I will only leaving one.

    I see that the Wikipedia claims that the Vietnamese language is 'austro-asian'. Sure, I can hear the phonological similarities to Thai. The grammar seems to make that claim wrong,

    I am not understanding the Vietnamese language, but the cognates and patterns that I do recognise are making me think that it is in the same family as the many Chinese dialects (or languages, since many are not mutually comprehensible in speech).

    Vietnamese is austro asiatic with influence from dai and Chinese. Racially the vietnamese are similiar to the dai/tai. Check out out Razib Khan’s work on vietnamese genetics.

    The following link explains the origin of the vietnamese language quite well.

    http://eastasiaorigin.blogspot.sg/2017/07/origin-of-vietnamese-language.html

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    Thamk you for that link to the helpful descritption.

    Very informative.

    Still, it is doing nothing to convince me that viet is austro-asian language.

    As one of the commenters there was pointing out and I am extending a little, if 70% of vocabulary is from China, grammar is the same, except in rare cases of import, then it is a southern dialect of southern Chinese.

    Not 'austro-asian'.

    To claim that it is 'austro-asian' is like claiming that French is in the Germanic language family, based only on some shared vocab. and phonology in some places.

    It only leaves me more convinced that the Wikipedia is, as so often, wrong.

    However, thank you again for the link.
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  168. wayfarer says:
    @AaronB
    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a "double mind" - where the surface doesn't necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you're in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they're in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer'a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence - building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn't reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It's why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area - and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the "human" arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too - their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren't inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don't really know Asian culture often think it seems "boring". But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our "Promethean" culture and towards sanity and balance.

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    Now mankind needs to develop the skills that would enable it to dominate spiritual space, as one race, the human race. Ultimately its specialization would also lead to “stupidity,” but not for quite some time. For within a relatively infinite observable universe (one light year ~ 9.5 trillion kilometers) there is unimaginable abundance and adequate resources for each and every living being, here on earth today.

    Thanks for being of “service-to-others,” and sharing some love/wisdom with your fellow man.

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    Spiritual specialization would certsainly involve a kind of stupidity from one perspective, and I think that's always been recognized. All the traditions speak of an "unknowing", etc. Lao Tzu says the great sage grows less everyday, while the common man learns more each day.

    Gain in one area, is loss in another. Always. Balance is perhaps key, and the infinite universe is abundant, as you say. It contains all. We stupidly cling to one side, but perhaps even that is a necessary movement of the totality.

    Thanks for your kind words!
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  169. neutral says:
    @Singh
    Germans have not ever been Aryans you're a pathetic people with no history who first latched onto the heritage of the Israelite, then the Roman & now the Aryas।।

    I suggest you go to people that study German history and tell them of your profound truth that there is no German history.

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  170. AaronB says:
    @wayfarer

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.
     
    Now mankind needs to develop the skills that would enable it to dominate spiritual space, as one race, the human race. Ultimately its specialization would also lead to “stupidity,” but not for quite some time. For within a relatively infinite observable universe (one light year ~ 9.5 trillion kilometers) there is unimaginable abundance and adequate resources for each and every living being, here on earth today.

    Thanks for being of “service-to-others,” and sharing some love/wisdom with your fellow man.

    Spiritual specialization would certsainly involve a kind of stupidity from one perspective, and I think that’s always been recognized. All the traditions speak of an “unknowing”, etc. Lao Tzu says the great sage grows less everyday, while the common man learns more each day.

    Gain in one area, is loss in another. Always. Balance is perhaps key, and the infinite universe is abundant, as you say. It contains all. We stupidly cling to one side, but perhaps even that is a necessary movement of the totality.

    Thanks for your kind words!

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  171. utu says:
    @AaronB
    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a "double mind" - where the surface doesn't necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you're in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they're in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer'a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence - building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn't reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It's why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area - and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the "human" arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too - their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren't inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don't really know Asian culture often think it seems "boring". But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our "Promethean" culture and towards sanity and balance.

    You are doing very good job.

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  172. Druid says:
    @mp
    How does that make me a criminal? Are you serious? All I did was pay for a product. Just speculation on my part how it went down. If any crime was committed, it was not on my end. For all I know, the guy filled out all the necessary forms after I left. For all I know, warehouse guy was the owner's partner. I don't run their business for them. I do know that that's the cash economy for you. It's why government wants to do away with it.

    Sorry but since you knew what he was up to, you’re part of the crime. It’s called buying backdoor. He stole, you knowingly bought

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  173. denk says:
    @Malla

    For last many hundreds years, China has never invade any country but a victim of endless aggressions, with all its neighbors invading around
     
    These Chinese nationalists sound a lot like Indian nationalists. That is what all people in India say, just replace China with India in the above sentence.

    No No no !

    All those trustworthy people with gravitas, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Mccain,…….
    every murkkan ambassador to India, all came to this concensus….

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they’r made in heaven natural soul mates !

    I see trees of green, red roses too
    I see them bloom for me and you
    And I think to myself, what a wonderful world….

    —Louis Armstrong

    murkkan ambassador to India.,

    ‘In an increasingly frightening and unstable world, there is one nation we know will stand firm and resolute in its commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law. Without the relentless, selfless efforts of the United States, humankind would plunge into a seething cauldron of tyranny, slavery, chaos and endless war. Besides Israel, severely weakened as it is by the constant strain of fending off the barbarian hordes seeking to “wipe it off the map” and Great Britain, incessantly pressured by its Leftist, pacifist neighbors to appease and negotiate, the home of the brave wages its courageous struggle virtually alone.

    But fear not. The time draws nigh when an aspiring superpower will stand firmly alongside the United States in its defense of humankind. India, the world’s largest democracy and a haven for the free market economics of Capitalism, is forging a deep alliance with the United States.

    What a wonderful world it will indeed be when two nations, each of which was forged in the crucible of revolution against the imperial tyranny of Great Britain, can ally themselves to fend off the twin evils of terrorism and Islamofascism and now the twin terrors of Russkies/Chicoms, as they unite to spread democracy and corporate benevolence.

    https://www.countercurrents.org/miller120207.htm

    hehehehe

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    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they’r made in heaven natural soul mates !
     
    The Han are jealous.
    hehehehe
    Han ditched their Soviet ruskie buddies (whom Han considered lesser Whites anyways) and sat on Uncle Sam's lap (Higher Whites) but uncle Sam treat proud yellow Han as pariah (Did Uncle Sam consider Han, lesser Yellows compared to the Japanese?). Han take big Anglo uncle Sam money and send weapons in Africa to destroy small Anglos of Rhodesia/South Africa. Han help big Anglo, but big Anglo still rebuff him.
    Han angry that, without doing any help, darkie smelly Hindoo (lowest of Caucasians) treated like brothers, by highest of Caucasians, Uncle Sam and John Bull (which was original Han dream). After rebuff by Anglos, the Han went workaholic to prove to themselves and the world that they are awesome. Yet big Anglos not treat Han like brothers. Han now frustrated and spend time on internet spreading hatred against brownie Hindoo, drinking baiju on the side.
    hehehehe
    , @Malla
    EVIL INDIANS ARE ALWAYS SOULMATES OF EVIL AMERICA AGAINST INNOCENT CHINESE, huh? Shall we go to 1971, the Bangladeshi war of liberation??? eh. Want to go over that episode again.

    During Indo Pak war of 1971, the year Bangladesh got independence from West Pakistan, USA, Great Britain and even China were against India and may have attacked India in support of Pakistan. Only the Soviet Union saved India by proclaiming to the world, 'declaring war on India was equal to declaring war on Soviet Union' and dispatching Soviet submarines to stop American and British fleets dispatched to attack India.
    West Pakistani forces raped and killed scores of East Pakistanis/Bangladeshis in 1971 yet China with USA and Britain supported Pakistani dictators. China the benevolent middle kingdom!!!

    Archer Blood who was the American Consul General to Dhaka, Bangladesh (East Pakistan at the time). He is famous for sending the strongly worded "Blood Telegram" protesting against the atrocities committed in the Bangladesh Liberation War by Pakistani forces on Bengalis.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Blood
    The Blood telegram (April 6, 1971) was seen as the most strongly worded expression of dissent in the history of the U.S. Foreign Service.[4][5] It was signed by 20 members of the diplomatic staff.[6] The telegram stated:

    Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy. Our government has failed to denounce atrocities. Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to placate the West Pak[istan] dominated government and to lessen any deservedly negative international public relations impact against them. Our government has evidenced what many will consider moral bankruptcy,(...) But we have chosen not to intervene, even morally, on the grounds that the Awami conflict, in which unfortunately the overworked term genocide is applicable, is purely an internal matter of a sovereign state. Private Americans have expressed disgust. We, as professional civil servants, express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected.


    (U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Dissent from U.S. Policy Toward East Pakistan, April 6, 1971, Confidential, 5 pp. Includes Signatures from the Department of State. Source: RG 59, SN 70-73 Pol and Def. From: Pol Pak-U.S. To: Pol 17-1 Pak-U.S. Box 2535;)[7]
    In an earlier telegram (March 27, 1971), Blood wrote about American observations at Dhaka under the subject heading "Selective genocide":
    1. Here in Decca we are mute and horrified witnesses to a reign of terror by the Pak[istani] Military. Evidence continues to mount that the MLA authorities have list of AWAMI League supporters whom they are systematically eliminating by seeking them out in their homes and shooting them down
    2. Among those marked for extinction in addition to the A.L. hierarchy are student leaders and university faculty. In this second category we have reports that Fazlur Rahman head of the philosophy department and a Hindu, M. Abedin, head of the department of history, have been killed. Razzak of the political science department is rumored dead. Also on the list are the bulk of MNA's elect and number of MPA's.
    3. Moreover, with the support of the Pak[istani] Military. non-Bengali Muslims are systematically attacking poor people's quarters and murdering Bengalis and Hindus.
    (U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Selective genocide, March 27, 1971)
    Even today Bangladeshis think highly of Arthur Blood. "When Archer K. Blood died last month, in retirement in Colorado, there was family, a few old friends and an entire nation to mourn his passing, but the nation that grieved for him was not his own. It was Bangladesh."[1] His death made headlines in Bangladesh, but was lucky to make it to the back pages of the obituary sections in American newspapers. Bangladesh sent a delegation to the funeral in Fort Collins and Mrs. Blood received numerous communiques from Bangladeshis.

    From http://www.theworldreporter.com/2011/10/1971-india-pakistan-war-role-of-russia.html


    This brought China in the picture. US needed help from China and the messenger was Pakistan. US approached China very secretly on this issue, who was more than welcoming as it believed that their relations with US could improve from this onward.
    .During the second week of July, 1971, Kissinger arrived in Beijing, where he heard the words by then Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai: “In our opinion, if India continues on its present course in disregard of world opinion, it will continue to go on recklessly. We, however, support the stand of Pakistan. This is known to the world. If they [the Indians] are bent on provoking such a situation, then we cannot sit idly by.’ On this, Kissinger responded that China should know that the US also backs Pakistan on this issue.
    Indira Gandhi, the Indian prime minister in those times decided to tour most of the Western capitals to prove Indian stand and gain support and sympathy for the Bengalis of East Pakistan. On November 4th and 5th she met Nixon in Washington. Nixon straight forwardly told her that a new war in the subcontinent was out of the question.
    The next day, Nixon and Kissinger assessed the situation. Kissinger told Nixon: ‘The Indians are bastards anyway. They are plotting a war.’

     

    So the Chinese decided to support the Pakistanis who were murdering Bengalis in East Pakistan as the Blood telegram showed. China became soulmate of the USA in opposing and threatening India. SO MUCH FOR THE PROPAGANDA HERE by denk THAT EVIL INDIANS ARE ALWAYS SOULMATES OF EVIL AMERICA AGAINST INNOCENT CHINESE. Here we see PRC soulmatey of USA in support of murderous Pakistani regime and threatening India.
    Indian PM Indra Gandhi, showed China, Great Britain and USA the middle finger and sent in the Indian Army to the shock of USA, Britain and China. It resulted in the freedom of Bangladesh and the biggest defeat of Pakistan military’s history.

    LOL LOL LOL
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  174. @neutral
    I would agree in principle but I would adjust it a bit.
    Japanese=Aryans
    Chinese/Koreans=Central European/Slavs
    Vietnamese=Mediterranean Europeans
    Other South East Asians=Turks
    Indonesian=Arabs
    Papuans/Aboriginal Australians=Sub Saharan Africans
    Indians=Cannot compare to anything, they are Indians for both sides.

    India isn’t that complicated. I’ve developed a simple rule of thumb for classifying Indian society that I feel is at least 90% accurate.

    5% – competent. Essentially Brahmans close to the white mean, Heavily verbal skewed so you’ll find them in the same niches as Jews; Finance, Media, Government, Academia. Any industry where bullshit and social networking is more important than delivering results. This formed the bulk of immigration to the West.

    20% semi competent. Half a standard deviation below white means. Your basic mercantile castes. Basically the equivalent of Levantine Arabs. What they lack in competence they make up for in doubling down on the ethnic nepotism and self dealing. Mediocre on their own, but highly parasitical in more open (less clannish) societies allowing them to fill an economic niche. Your Patel motel owners. A lot of Indians from the UK come from this category via way of Africa and also prevalent in SE Asia. More common now in the West than they used to be, which is why some Whites are beginning to catch on to the game the Indian elites have been playing that Indian immigration is somehow advantageous.

    75% incompetent. Probably a full standard deviation below. These are your typical violent incompetent turd world nincompoops. Basically your dumber form of Arab, the ones with not insignificant sub-Saharan admixture like say Egyptians. These people Westerners will never see unless they travel to India.

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    That is quite accurate if you ask me.
    But there is a teeeny weeny minority among the 5% elites who are more visual IQ and are similar to Whites/East Asians. Like 5% of the 5%. They are the few genuine researchers you see in Western universities.

    And instead of sub saharan ancestry there is substantial Australoid ancestry. I think South East Asians also have this ancestry too which dumbs them down even thought they have Mongoloid ancestry from the North.
    South Asians (Indian Subcontinent) formed by Caucasoid+Australoid.
    South East Asians formed by Mongoloid + Australoid.
    In looks, IQ and behaviour that is what I think.

    But unlike South East Asia, in South Asia, due to the caste system intermarriage restriction, the IQ elites prevented regression towards the mean.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    20% semi competent. Half a standard deviation below white means. Your basic mercantile castes. Basically the equivalent of Levantine Arabs. What they lack in competence they make up for in doubling down on the ethnic nepotism and self dealing. Mediocre on their own, but highly parasitical in more open (less clannish) societies allowing them to fill an economic niche. Your Patel motel owners. A lot of Indians from the UK come from this category via way of Africa and also prevalent in SE Asia.
     
    Actually, in the UK, Indians (suprisingly) exceed the White British in educational attainment and income. Their incarceration rates are lower too. Also, on cognitive testing, their children perform at the White mean. Indians are exceptionally over represented in British medical colleges, but their pass rate is lower than the White average.

    You might be surprised to know that a large fraction of UK Indians are of untouchable origin and come from the rural northern villages. According to the research I've seen, their economic and academic performance is similar to that of the White British. I was shocked to see that.

    The UK Pakistanis and Bangladeshis come from more rural backgrounds than the Indians. Interestingly, both groups academically perform similarly to the White British. On the cognitive testing of children, both groups score about 1/3 of a standard deviation lower. Given that South Asian Muslims practice cousin marriage (which depresses IQ), that might be a factor to consider.

    Toronto (Canada) has a large number of Indian subcontinentals from non-elite backgrounds. Their children score at roughly the White mean on standardized tests. Their national incarceration rate is lower than the White average. However, their incomes are also below the national average (this income gap disappears in the second generation).

    75% incompetent. Probably a full standard deviation below. These are your typical violent incompetent turd world nincompoops. Basically your dumber form of Arab, the ones with not insignificant sub-Saharan admixture like say Egyptians. These people Westerners will never see unless they travel to India.

     

    Indians don't have significant subsaharan African mixture. They're also not "dumber" than Arabs. Most of the jobs in the Gulf states (professional, entrepreneurial, skilled and unskilled labor) are done by Indian subcontinentals. Not native or even imported Arabs. They're clearly much brighter than Arabs.

    There lots of lower caste Indians in Singapore and Malaysia. They were brought as laborers generations ago. I believe they economically outperform the Malays (who receive affirmative action), but underperform the Chinese (who get no affirmative action). According to the statistics I've seen, they're roughly half way between both groups on various measures.

    5% – competent. Essentially Brahmans close to the white mean, Heavily verbal skewed so you’ll find them in the same niches as Jews; Finance, Media, Government, Academia. Any industry where bullshit and social networking is more important than delivering results. This formed the bulk of immigration to the West.

     

    At least in America, Indians are mostly in IT/software/tech. Not verbal fields. The second generation are moving into some of those verbal fields, but I wouldn't say that Indians skew verbal. They seem roughly equal on verbal and quant. Asians have more of a quant skew. Jews have more of a verbal skew.
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  175. denk says:
    @Malla
    Well many Singaporeans hate the new Indian immigrants who are considered rude, smelly, racist, cunning, clannish, cheating, arrogant scum.

    https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/india-nationals-bringing-their-old-tricks-to-singapore.146994/

    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_10.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_11.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_12.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/singaporeans-under-attack-by-ft-indians_275.html
    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.in/2011/11/analysis-of-indian-part-2.html

    https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/indians.35446/#post-291493

    Indians in Malaysia have become a criminal underclass and dominate many gangs. They are like what many Hispanics are to the USA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTgg5pbPHs

    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.

    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ………………
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they’d be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they’ve landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China’s jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!

    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

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    >built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries

    You make it sound like they're whites. Any ethnic Chinese society will inevitably be dominated by a few who squeeze the life out of everybody else via extortionary rents and 80h work weeks while in the west (((merchants))) are largely to blame.

    Empathy is not a Chinese trait. Don't be fooled that the Chinamen due to their lack of violent tendencies and general industriousness can build a western or Japan like society that is largely middle class.

    If Singapore doesn't turn into Dheli 2.0 it'll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.
    , @Malla

    yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.
     
    This could be true. The British Empire did help in the spreading of us desis into South East Asia, especially Malaysia and Singapore and even Myanmar/Burma. If Indonesia instead of being part of the Dutch Empire and Vietnam of the French Empire been part of the British Empire instead, there would have substantial South Asian populations there too.
    The Brits also encouraged Bangladeshi migration into Syllet, where the local Mongoloid-Australoids were overwhelmed and absorbed by the more numerous Caucasoid-Australoid Bengalis. Similarly the Brits encouraged Hindu Nepali (who are semi mongoloid too tho) into traditional Buddhist Sikkimese (Bhutia/Lepcha) lands including Darjaleeng which is now in Indian Bengal state instead of Sikkim state.
    Later these Hindu Nepalese played a big role in delivering Sikkim to us by bullshit revolutions (payed by Indian Government) against the King of Sikkim, the The last Chogyal, Palden Thondup Namgyal who wanted to balance Indian influence with good relations with China.
    If you are interested in the whole Sikkim fiasco, the Indian annexation of Sikkim, imperialist style, this book is a mush read.
    http://pahar.in/wpfb-file/1984-smash-and-grab-annexation-of-sikkim-by-datta-roy-s-pdf/
    Smash and Grab: Annexation of Sikkim by Sunanda K. Datta-Ray
    P.S. The above book was banned in India.
    Fortunately Bhutan had already acquired an U.N. seat or it would have met the same fate as Sikkim. But Bhutan is now de facto a colony of India. Bhutan needs India's permission to start diplomatic relations with any third country.
    It is surprising how much the British helped spread us desis around the world.

    While dividing the Indian Empire, into British India and British Burma, the British placed many Mongoloid peoples like the Naga, Mizo, Khasi, Chakma (basically today the seven sister states of the North East of India and the Chittagong Hill tracts of Bangladesh) in British India. These peoples never wanted to be part of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh, the British protected them from mainland Indians, but after they went, Indian forces forced them to be part of India (just like Muslim Pakistan forced the Chakma and other Mongoloid ethnic groups of the Chittagong Hill tracts to be part of East Pakistan/Bangladesh). Newly Independent India and Independent Pakistan taking away the independence of others, wow!!! What irony!!
    Even if the British government protected these ethnic groups during their rule, they should have divided the borders of British Burma and British India such that all these ethnic groups would have been on the Burmese side. Would have solved a lot of problems.


    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur
     
    LOL Sri Lankans are racially South Asians like Indians. The difference is not that big. The only advantage they (Sinhalese) have is that they are Buddhist and do not suffer from some of the pathologies of Islam and Hinduism. In the Indian subcontinent, Buddhist and Christian regions show less difference between rich and poor as well as lessor tragedy of the commons than Hindu or Muslim regions.
    Indians living in Sri Lanka is same as Koreans and Chinese living in Japan. Racially Sri Lankans are the same as Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Sri Lanka would never have become a Singapore, could have become at best (maybe if you stretch it) a Thailand.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China’s jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!
     
    Chinese blood and sweat, but Chinese did not realize the importance of Singapore. If not for the British, Singapore would have been a tiny fishing village. Do not forget Stamford Raffles, the Grand father of Singapore. It was he who saw the importance of Singapore and made the first settlement here even if his British superiors opposed this move (of fear of provoking the powerful Dutch Indonesian Government nearby).
    , @Malla
    Kelly M. Greenhill Weapons of Mass Migration indeed.
    Explain please Mr. denk how Han mass migrated to Taiwan and made the native Taiwanese minority?

    Native Taiwanese peoples such as the Ami, Atayal, Bunun, Hla'alua, Kanakanavu, Kavalan, Paiwan, Puyuma, Rukai, Saisiyat, Tao, Thao, Tsou, Truku, Sakizaya, Sediq etc...

    Yet Han shamelessly lambast Anglos for Native Americans, Maoris and Australian Aboriginals? And lambast us Hindus for treatment of our own tribal adivasis in Central India (the so called Maoists)?

    hehehehehe

    , @Malla

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me.
     
    I hope that never happens, denk. It is fun reading your posts.
    hehehehe
    , @TT

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they’d be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they’ve landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.
     
    Getting so Serious? I stayed and worked, but left Singapore some yrs ago. Its flooded with mainland Chinese, Burmese, Vietnamese, Caucasian, Philippinos, but Indians wasn't too many then.

    From news, it seems SG Gov, statutory boards and corporates are now fully stacked with foreign Indians.

    A Indian Lawyer who used to get scolded by judges for twisting liar become its Law & Foreign Minister. A blur Indian eye specialist become Youth Minister. A Indian charged for leaking state secret become deputy PM, Indian woman as state ministers, Indian President Nadan succeeded by another Indian turn Malay Muslim Pres....many high/appeal/chief court judges all Indians, MAS chief Indian, DBS CEO Indian,...its crazy isn't it? Like US fully under Israelis Jews control. Wtf you people are voting for such shitty gov?

    Also its shocking to read that while all Singaporean and foreigners had to pay 10% extra fee to curb from owning extra property, all American and Indians are exempted. So US & India companies came in to buy up all prime apartments to rent and sell to Singaporean and expatriates for high return. What a stupid PM you have.

    .so Singapore has become another small shit hole India, no wonder so anti-China and super pro-India pro-US in its msm and policy now. And average IQ is dropping with IQ85 imports.

    I stayed in Sri Lanka 10yrs ago, never see any Indian. But recently always heard its flooded with Moslems and Tamils, exceeding Sinhalese number. In Australia there is a backlash for India WMM, now its China.

    Malla is correct, if the world is not careful with its immigration policy, it will become a shit hole. US already have many Jews & Indians,.. in high position, WH spokesman is Indian Raj Shah, ex-USAid chief, highly honored by India gov for promoting US India soulmating. So Indian farmers are forced to use Monsanto GMO seeds and weedkiller, and electronic payment when few have access to bank.
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  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump grilled Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc about why his country wasn’t spending more money buying American weapons.

    Vietnam is gearing up like a poor man’s Asian-Israel: Kilo-class subs from Russia, Coast Guard cutters from the US, Seaplanes from Canada, Su-30s from Sukhoi with Trump and the State Department doing the hard sell for more ‘Murican weapons ’cause China.

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    Well the Vietnamese have just acquired the Brahmos supersonic anti ship missile. Developed jointly by Russia's NPO Mashinostroyenia and India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) (well basically Russian brains and Indian money, trust me on this). A lot of Chinese naval Admirals are sweating under their uniform. LOL

    http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/india-ships-brahmos-missiles-to-vietnam-teaches-china-a-lesson/1123976
    India ships BrahMos missiles to Vietnam, ‘teaches’ China a lesson

    India has a Vietnam-India Comprehensive Strategic Partnership agreement with that country. The acquisition of Brahmos will be viewed by China as a move by Vietnam to protect its claims over the disputed South China Sea. Beijing claims the entire sea as its own.

    The Brahmos can accelerate to speeds of 2.8 times the speed of sound. It can strike enemy ships 300 km away. It can manoeuvre itself to avoid interception by surface-to-air missiles which may be fired to prevent it from hitting its target.

    At the 1.5 Track meeting between India and China, Karnad had made a policy prescription that in view of China supporting the nuclear programme of Pakistan, any strong-minded government in India would now have the option of arming India’s neighbours like Vietnam with the Brahmos missile. This policy prescription was taken up seriously by the government in 2005.

    The deal with Vietnam will annoy the Chinese enormously because this country brilliantly repulsed a Chinese attack in 1987 that China started in order to “teach a lesson” to that country for daring to challenge its bigger neighbour. During the war, China lost as many as 63,000 of its soldiers while Vietnam lost only 26,000. Chinese casualties would have been greater, had it not withdrawn. After a series of unsuccessful negotiations, China finally signed a border pact with Vietnam. China failed to “teach a lesson” to Vietnam.

    http://www.india.com/news/world/vietnam-confirms-purchase-of-brahmos-missile-from-india-2410718/
    Vietnam Confirms Purchase of BrahMos Missile From India

    Vietnam confirmed the purchase of BrahMos missile from India which is considered to be one of the most lethal missiles of the world. The purchase of missile is to persistently pursue national defence policy of peace and self-defence, said Foreign Ministry of Vietnam.

    BrahMos Missile:
    Travels at a speed of Mach 2.8 to 3.0 (3,400-3,700 km).
    The missile was developed with a joint effort of Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Russia’s NPO Mashinostroeyenia.
    It is based on the sidelines of Russian P-800 Oniks cruise missile.
    It can be launched from land, submarine, ships, aircraft.
    The second version of the missile is currently being developed and reports suggest it will travel with a speed of Mach 7.

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201709021057016649-india-secretly-supplied-vietnam-missiles/
    Has India Secretly Supplied Vietnam with 6,000-pound Supersonic Missiles?
    Chinese Admirals are really sweating so much, it is a downpour.

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  177. Malla says:
    @Duke of Qin
    India isn't that complicated. I've developed a simple rule of thumb for classifying Indian society that I feel is at least 90% accurate.

    5% - competent. Essentially Brahmans close to the white mean, Heavily verbal skewed so you'll find them in the same niches as Jews; Finance, Media, Government, Academia. Any industry where bullshit and social networking is more important than delivering results. This formed the bulk of immigration to the West.

    20% semi competent. Half a standard deviation below white means. Your basic mercantile castes. Basically the equivalent of Levantine Arabs. What they lack in competence they make up for in doubling down on the ethnic nepotism and self dealing. Mediocre on their own, but highly parasitical in more open (less clannish) societies allowing them to fill an economic niche. Your Patel motel owners. A lot of Indians from the UK come from this category via way of Africa and also prevalent in SE Asia. More common now in the West than they used to be, which is why some Whites are beginning to catch on to the game the Indian elites have been playing that Indian immigration is somehow advantageous.

    75% incompetent. Probably a full standard deviation below. These are your typical violent incompetent turd world nincompoops. Basically your dumber form of Arab, the ones with not insignificant sub-Saharan admixture like say Egyptians. These people Westerners will never see unless they travel to India.

    That is quite accurate if you ask me.
    But there is a teeeny weeny minority among the 5% elites who are more visual IQ and are similar to Whites/East Asians. Like 5% of the 5%. They are the few genuine researchers you see in Western universities.

    And instead of sub saharan ancestry there is substantial Australoid ancestry. I think South East Asians also have this ancestry too which dumbs them down even thought they have Mongoloid ancestry from the North.
    South Asians (Indian Subcontinent) formed by Caucasoid+Australoid.
    South East Asians formed by Mongoloid + Australoid.
    In looks, IQ and behaviour that is what I think.

    But unlike South East Asia, in South Asia, due to the caste system intermarriage restriction, the IQ elites prevented regression towards the mean.

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  178. Malla says:
    @denk
    No No no !

    All those trustworthy people with gravitas, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Mccain,.......
    every murkkan ambassador to India, all came to this concensus....

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they'r made in heaven natural soul mates !

    I see trees of green, red roses too
    I see them bloom for me and you
    And I think to myself, what a wonderful world….
     
    ---Louis Armstrong

    murkkan ambassador to India.,

    'In an increasingly frightening and unstable world, there is one nation we know will stand firm and resolute in its commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law. Without the relentless, selfless efforts of the United States, humankind would plunge into a seething cauldron of tyranny, slavery, chaos and endless war. Besides Israel, severely weakened as it is by the constant strain of fending off the barbarian hordes seeking to “wipe it off the map” and Great Britain, incessantly pressured by its Leftist, pacifist neighbors to appease and negotiate, the home of the brave wages its courageous struggle virtually alone.

    But fear not. The time draws nigh when an aspiring superpower will stand firmly alongside the United States in its defense of humankind. India, the world’s largest democracy and a haven for the free market economics of Capitalism, is forging a deep alliance with the United States.

    What a wonderful world it will indeed be when two nations, each of which was forged in the crucible of revolution against the imperial tyranny of Great Britain, can ally themselves to fend off the twin evils of terrorism and Islamofascism and now the twin terrors of Russkies/Chicoms, as they unite to spread democracy and corporate benevolence.
     
    https://www.countercurrents.org/miller120207.htm

    hehehehe

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they’r made in heaven natural soul mates !

    The Han are jealous.
    hehehehe
    Han ditched their Soviet ruskie buddies (whom Han considered lesser Whites anyways) and sat on Uncle Sam’s lap (Higher Whites) but uncle Sam treat proud yellow Han as pariah (Did Uncle Sam consider Han, lesser Yellows compared to the Japanese?). Han take big Anglo uncle Sam money and send weapons in Africa to destroy small Anglos of Rhodesia/South Africa. Han help big Anglo, but big Anglo still rebuff him.
    Han angry that, without doing any help, darkie smelly Hindoo (lowest of Caucasians) treated like brothers, by highest of Caucasians, Uncle Sam and John Bull (which was original Han dream). After rebuff by Anglos, the Han went workaholic to prove to themselves and the world that they are awesome. Yet big Anglos not treat Han like brothers. Han now frustrated and spend time on internet spreading hatred against brownie Hindoo, drinking baiju on the side.
    hehehehe

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    "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - HHTG
    , @gT
    ROFL
    , @denk
    whiteys ditched Hans ?
    LOL.

    murkkans more than once dangled that G2 B.S. at China, only to be told that,
    'You can take it back and stuff it up your ass' !


    hehhehehehe

    uncle sham then teased India with the same G2 carrot knowing the Indians would fall for it, sure enuff, Bharat fall over itself to lap it up hook line and sinker. !
    You should read those Indian forums,
    'India and murkka will rule the world now' !

    ROFLMAO 1

    Your recurring hearsay on Africa is getting stale and unconvincing.

    The Africans know who's their friends and who's screwing them.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-seen-by-africans-as-partners-america-and-europe-seen-as-predators/31731

    They wanna know why AQ and co keep getting stronger even tho the murkkans
    have been fighting them in Africa and elsewhere since 2001 !

    Surprise surprise, turns out the murkkans have been playing both sides, paying 'moslem terrorists' to fight murkkan trained military !

    AQ/BOKO HARAM/ISIS/
    The gift that keeps on giving,
    hhehehhe

    Must be 'concidence' while the great satan is supposedly kicking the terrorists ass, its the Chinese who keep getting shot at in Sudan, Mali....!

    'Han now frustrated and spend time on internet spreading hatred against brownie Hindoo, drinking baiju on the side.'
     
    Come on dont be coy, you'r the pro !

    hehehhehe
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  179. SomeGuy says:
    @denk
    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

    >built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries

    You make it sound like they’re whites. Any ethnic Chinese society will inevitably be dominated by a few who squeeze the life out of everybody else via extortionary rents and 80h work weeks while in the west (((merchants))) are largely to blame.

    Empathy is not a Chinese trait. Don’t be fooled that the Chinamen due to their lack of violent tendencies and general industriousness can build a western or Japan like society that is largely middle class.

    If Singapore doesn’t turn into Dheli 2.0 it’ll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.

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    Yes, this is why Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong or even China doesn't have a large middle class. Self-refuting nonsense.
    , @denk

    You make it sound like they’re whites
     
    LOL,

    only the inept Chinese would do 'blood , sweat and tears' my dear,

    Thats no way for the whiteys, they'r on a higher plane see ?

    Ever heard of .......
    Blood for oil.
    Who says there's no free lunch ?

    Works like a charm since 1600.

    hehheheh
    , @Anonymous
    >If Singapore doesn’t turn into Dheli 2.0 it’ll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.

    This is an entirely ridiculous statement. As somebody who lives here, I can say with absolute certainty that Singapore's public housing system is one of the best in the world. The housing development board constructs tens of thousands of units of public housing every year, and buying a home is quite affordable. A three-bedroom apartment, like the one I live in right now costs around $400,000, in a neighborhood near the city center, in a housing complex with built-up amenities like a school, a clinic, a shopping center, a MRT stop, wet markets/hawker centers, etc.

    In other cities I've lived in (Toronto, New York, San Francisco/Bay Area), this would be absolutely unthinkable. My parents and many of my old friends are still in Toronto, and they tell me about the ridiculous heights that the property market there has reached in recent years. It's almost impossible to find a house going for under $1 million. Even a one bedroom condominium in Scarborough (which to non-Torontonians, is the suburban east end of the city, where most of the population is Caribbean and South Asian, with a few Chinese) goes for around $300,000. In the eloquent words of one of my friends when I went to visit over the winter holidays, "the mandem are fried, fam."
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  180. Malla says:
    @denk
    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

    yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.

    This could be true. The British Empire did help in the spreading of us desis into South East Asia, especially Malaysia and Singapore and even Myanmar/Burma. If Indonesia instead of being part of the Dutch Empire and Vietnam of the French Empire been part of the British Empire instead, there would have substantial South Asian populations there too.
    The Brits also encouraged Bangladeshi migration into Syllet, where the local Mongoloid-Australoids were overwhelmed and absorbed by the more numerous Caucasoid-Australoid Bengalis. Similarly the Brits encouraged Hindu Nepali (who are semi mongoloid too tho) into traditional Buddhist Sikkimese (Bhutia/Lepcha) lands including Darjaleeng which is now in Indian Bengal state instead of Sikkim state.
    Later these Hindu Nepalese played a big role in delivering Sikkim to us by bullshit revolutions (payed by Indian Government) against the King of Sikkim, the The last Chogyal, Palden Thondup Namgyal who wanted to balance Indian influence with good relations with China.
    If you are interested in the whole Sikkim fiasco, the Indian annexation of Sikkim, imperialist style, this book is a mush read.

    http://pahar.in/wpfb-file/1984-smash-and-grab-annexation-of-sikkim-by-datta-roy-s-pdf/

    Smash and Grab: Annexation of Sikkim by Sunanda K. Datta-Ray
    P.S. The above book was banned in India.
    Fortunately Bhutan had already acquired an U.N. seat or it would have met the same fate as Sikkim. But Bhutan is now de facto a colony of India. Bhutan needs India’s permission to start diplomatic relations with any third country.
    It is surprising how much the British helped spread us desis around the world.

    While dividing the Indian Empire, into British India and British Burma, the British placed many Mongoloid peoples like the Naga, Mizo, Khasi, Chakma (basically today the seven sister states of the North East of India and the Chittagong Hill tracts of Bangladesh) in British India. These peoples never wanted to be part of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh, the British protected them from mainland Indians, but after they went, Indian forces forced them to be part of India (just like Muslim Pakistan forced the Chakma and other Mongoloid ethnic groups of the Chittagong Hill tracts to be part of East Pakistan/Bangladesh). Newly Independent India and Independent Pakistan taking away the independence of others, wow!!! What irony!!
    Even if the British government protected these ethnic groups during their rule, they should have divided the borders of British Burma and British India such that all these ethnic groups would have been on the Burmese side. Would have solved a lot of problems.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur

    LOL Sri Lankans are racially South Asians like Indians. The difference is not that big. The only advantage they (Sinhalese) have is that they are Buddhist and do not suffer from some of the pathologies of Islam and Hinduism. In the Indian subcontinent, Buddhist and Christian regions show less difference between rich and poor as well as lessor tragedy of the commons than Hindu or Muslim regions.
    Indians living in Sri Lanka is same as Koreans and Chinese living in Japan. Racially Sri Lankans are the same as Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Sri Lanka would never have become a Singapore, could have become at best (maybe if you stretch it) a Thailand.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China’s jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!

    Chinese blood and sweat, but Chinese did not realize the importance of Singapore. If not for the British, Singapore would have been a tiny fishing village. Do not forget Stamford Raffles, the Grand father of Singapore. It was he who saw the importance of Singapore and made the first settlement here even if his British superiors opposed this move (of fear of provoking the powerful Dutch Indonesian Government nearby).

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    LOL Sri Lankans are racially South Asians like Indians
     
    When even the Sri Lankans and Nepalese are complaining about Indian immigrations, cant you see the potency of Indian WMM ?

    The Sri Lankans are acute observers, way sharper than those whiteys/Indians who still subscribe to murkkan/Indian 'shared values ' of 'democracy, human rights,. rules of law' [cough cough]


    murkkan/Indian G2 exposed in a nutshell,
    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/12/28/unhrc-head-prince-zeid-reconfirms-our-position-that-un-is-a-monetary-influenced-biased-puppet/

    here's a spoiler,
    Its nuthin but a glorified mafiaso outfit !

    Not the Chinese cup of tea ,
    hehehehe
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  181. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Reminder that there are no Mandir in Mecca or Vatican is our holy land less holy because it's 'Pagan'

    Abrahamics are free to denounce their bigotry & apostasy would probably work better for us

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/how-japan-dealt-with-the-christian-threat/

    Also you cucked faggot I'm not a Democrat so don't put words in my mouth like Bjp supporter।।

    You fool!!! There are mandirs/gurudwaras in Britain, America, France, Canada, Australia. All of them traditionally Christian nations.

    Also you cucked faggot

    And you are a brave Jatt Sikh? When Talha was question the Islamic brutality in pre colonial India, you ran away and I was defending our history. When ‘Bliss’ the communist faggot was insulting India, I fought with him on Unz, you ran away.

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  182. Malla says:
    @Singh
    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/954791387882385408

    If you say they're manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Not a horse, not an elephant and a tiger, certainly not. Give a young goat as oblation;,the Gods destroy the weak.

    Nobody will mourn them least not themselves as they only worship Jewish Ancestors।।

    Our Blood tends toward extremism both the most Radical Euro Pagans (Rus/Ukr) & Muslim (Afghan) are the most related to us।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    And why not the Muslim Arabs and Turks who were a 1000 times more brutal to us than the Brits? Why no flood Turkey and Arabia with Indians and Africans? How are Indians treated in Saudia? Like slaves no? What is brave Sikh Jatt doing about is? How are Indians treated in Britain? Given citizenship and equal pay no? Why brave Jatt Sikh only lambast kind gora angrez, but act like pussy in front of Saudia/Turki? What is brave Sikh Jatt doing about Arab melech treating your Hindu/Sikh brothers as slaves and Turkia not allowing Indian immigration to make up for 500 years of brutal Turko rule (a 1000 times more brutal than Angrez rule) over Hindus/Sikhs?

    Why does Sweden who hardly have much of an Empire share the same fate? Why does Ireland who had no empire outside Europe ahve to share the same fate? This Europeans deserve it due to colonization is nonsense. Turkey had Ottoman Empire, why no mass migration there?
    Jews want to finish of White race so than we will be goyim slaves of them.

    If you say they’re manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Bhai mere, do you have biometric Aadhar card? If yes, (if no, it will become impossible to live in India soon) you are already on your way to become slave of Jewish bankers. Jews run India too, fool. Try attacking a Chabad House in India, your own Indian government will deliver you in a crate to mossad and the rest…….Wake up and smell the coffee.

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/the-modi-bloomberg-smart-kosher-cities/

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/uidai-aadhar-national-population-register-nilekani-and-the-globalist-agenda/

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/rothschild-nm-and-the-tata-mess/

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/ntro-s-kosher-backdoor/

    And who got Modi into power?

    https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2013/04/apco-namo-namah-narendra-modis-ressurection/

    Why was an Indian Nationalist brought into power by globalists with links to Israel.
    Jews are doing a total takeover of Bharat varsha and there will be looting of your Hindu/Sikh brother’s blood and sweat for centuries, take my word.

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  183. Malla says:
    @Singh
    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/954791387882385408

    If you say they're manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Not a horse, not an elephant and a tiger, certainly not. Give a young goat as oblation;,the Gods destroy the weak.

    Nobody will mourn them least not themselves as they only worship Jewish Ancestors।।

    Our Blood tends toward extremism both the most Radical Euro Pagans (Rus/Ukr) & Muslim (Afghan) are the most related to us।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    Cleanse all Melech (non Hindus) from Indian subcontinent only or the entire world?

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  184. Malla says:
    @denk
    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

    Kelly M. Greenhill Weapons of Mass Migration indeed.
    Explain please Mr. denk how Han mass migrated to Taiwan and made the native Taiwanese minority?

    Native Taiwanese peoples such as the Ami, Atayal, Bunun, Hla’alua, Kanakanavu, Kavalan, Paiwan, Puyuma, Rukai, Saisiyat, Tao, Thao, Tsou, Truku, Sakizaya, Sediq etc…

    Yet Han shamelessly lambast Anglos for Native Americans, Maoris and Australian Aboriginals? And lambast us Hindus for treatment of our own tribal adivasis in Central India (the so called Maoists)?

    hehehehehe

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    TW is an island in China's frontyard, robbed by the jp in 1898.

    USA/CANADA/OZ/NZ/Haiwaii/Chagos island/Guam/Puerto Rico/Iraq/Afghan/OKinawa/Jeju.....are continents/islands thousands of miles away from mother
    England, no history connection, no proximity excuse, pure land grab !

    No contest !

    whiteys win hands down !
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  185. Malla says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump grilled Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc about why his country wasn’t spending more money buying American weapons.

    Vietnam is gearing up like a poor man's Asian-Israel: Kilo-class subs from Russia, Coast Guard cutters from the US, Seaplanes from Canada, Su-30s from Sukhoi with Trump and the State Department doing the hard sell for more 'Murican weapons 'cause China.

    Well the Vietnamese have just acquired the Brahmos supersonic anti ship missile. Developed jointly by Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyenia and India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) (well basically Russian brains and Indian money, trust me on this). A lot of Chinese naval Admirals are sweating under their uniform. LOL

    http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/india-ships-brahmos-missiles-to-vietnam-teaches-china-a-lesson/1123976

    India ships BrahMos missiles to Vietnam, ‘teaches’ China a lesson

    India has a Vietnam-India Comprehensive Strategic Partnership agreement with that country. The acquisition of Brahmos will be viewed by China as a move by Vietnam to protect its claims over the disputed South China Sea. Beijing claims the entire sea as its own.

    The Brahmos can accelerate to speeds of 2.8 times the speed of sound. It can strike enemy ships 300 km away. It can manoeuvre itself to avoid interception by surface-to-air missiles which may be fired to prevent it from hitting its target.

    At the 1.5 Track meeting between India and China, Karnad had made a policy prescription that in view of China supporting the nuclear programme of Pakistan, any strong-minded government in India would now have the option of arming India’s neighbours like Vietnam with the Brahmos missile. This policy prescription was taken up seriously by the government in 2005.

    The deal with Vietnam will annoy the Chinese enormously because this country brilliantly repulsed a Chinese attack in 1987 that China started in order to “teach a lesson” to that country for daring to challenge its bigger neighbour. During the war, China lost as many as 63,000 of its soldiers while Vietnam lost only 26,000. Chinese casualties would have been greater, had it not withdrawn. After a series of unsuccessful negotiations, China finally signed a border pact with Vietnam. China failed to “teach a lesson” to Vietnam.

    http://www.india.com/news/world/vietnam-confirms-purchase-of-brahmos-missile-from-india-2410718/

    Vietnam Confirms Purchase of BrahMos Missile From India

    Vietnam confirmed the purchase of BrahMos missile from India which is considered to be one of the most lethal missiles of the world. The purchase of missile is to persistently pursue national defence policy of peace and self-defence, said Foreign Ministry of Vietnam.

    BrahMos Missile:
    Travels at a speed of Mach 2.8 to 3.0 (3,400-3,700 km).
    The missile was developed with a joint effort of Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Russia’s NPO Mashinostroeyenia.
    It is based on the sidelines of Russian P-800 Oniks cruise missile.
    It can be launched from land, submarine, ships, aircraft.
    The second version of the missile is currently being developed and reports suggest it will travel with a speed of Mach 7.

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201709021057016649-india-secretly-supplied-vietnam-missiles/

    Has India Secretly Supplied Vietnam with 6,000-pound Supersonic Missiles?
    Chinese Admirals are really sweating so much, it is a downpour.

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    Im sure the Chicoms must be quaking in their boots,
    hehehe !


    war nerd on the IAF.....

    http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-fag-vs-fag-the-india-pakistan-phoney-war/
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  186. @Malla

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they’r made in heaven natural soul mates !
     
    The Han are jealous.
    hehehehe
    Han ditched their Soviet ruskie buddies (whom Han considered lesser Whites anyways) and sat on Uncle Sam's lap (Higher Whites) but uncle Sam treat proud yellow Han as pariah (Did Uncle Sam consider Han, lesser Yellows compared to the Japanese?). Han take big Anglo uncle Sam money and send weapons in Africa to destroy small Anglos of Rhodesia/South Africa. Han help big Anglo, but big Anglo still rebuff him.
    Han angry that, without doing any help, darkie smelly Hindoo (lowest of Caucasians) treated like brothers, by highest of Caucasians, Uncle Sam and John Bull (which was original Han dream). After rebuff by Anglos, the Han went workaholic to prove to themselves and the world that they are awesome. Yet big Anglos not treat Han like brothers. Han now frustrated and spend time on internet spreading hatred against brownie Hindoo, drinking baiju on the side.
    hehehehe

    “In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” – HHTG

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    Hehe Good one.
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  187. llloyd says: • Website
    @A Currency Lad
    "Chinese are not dominant in media, education, government or banking in their host countries."

    Not true in Thailand that's for sure.

    In Thailand, the Chinese have more or less entirely intermarried with the Thais. But I suppose you can say that about the Jews also. I don’t recall any anti Chinese sentiments or dual loyalty accusations. The Thaksin family and the Royal family are both of Chinese descent. So in Thailand you could say the Chinese have more than their finger in both camps. Again very like the Jews. I taught in Thailand and I can say there were some brilliant Thais. If they were Chinese descent, I didn’t know. Being brown is a stigma but no surety of lack of intelligence as my Thai in-law shows. The Thais are kind. They are very hard working unless they have connections then they seem to do no work at all. Thailand is totally corrupt. I worked illegally for the Government as a school teacher. They have a unique combination of gangsterism combined with sanctimoniousness as their politics demonstrate.

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  188. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Germans have not ever been Aryans you're a pathetic people with no history who first latched onto the heritage of the Israelite, then the Roman & now the Aryas।।

    More Hinduvadi nonsense which has it’s origins amongst slimey Theosophists. You are blabeering the theories of General Olcott, a theosophist and a freemason.

    Check out the Alani

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans

    The name Alan is an Iranian dialectical form of Aryan, a common self-designation of the Indo-Iranians.
    …snip….
    The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans were tall, and blond:

    Nearly all the Alani are men of great stature and beauty; their hair is somewhat yellow, their eyes are terribly fierce.[55]

    Also
    From

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    Moslem voyagers, traders, and theologians from the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties/caliphates, came into contact with the Vikings during their visits to trading centers such as Kiev and Novgorod, part of the “Volga Trade route.” Moslems appeared to have become very familiar with the Old Norse kinsfolk and their belief systems during these visits.

    Moslems classified the Vikings as Majūs or “heathen Zoroastrians,” since they thought them to be very much like Zoroastrians of pre Islamic Iran/Persia.

    Majūs, plural majūsī, from Greek Mágos μάγος, Latin Magus, is a term that goes back to the Avestan magá, referring to the Zoroastrian shaman warriors.

    According to Ibn Rustah’s (10th century,) Vikings accorded great respect to their ‘shamans’ [attibah] who had great authority over their chieftain.

    In almost all moslem accounts, reference to the Vikings starts with the phrase: “al-Majus (Vikings/Zoroastrians) – May God curse them!” Moslem envoys referred to the Viking chiefs/kings as malik al-majūs, and to the Viking lands as bilād al-majūs.

    Regarding Christianized Vikings, Moslem accounts state: Norse men were Majusi “Zoroastrian heathens,” but they now follow the Christian faith dīn al-naṣranīya, and have given up fire-worship and their previous religion, except for the people of a few scattered islands of theirs in the sea, where they keep to their old Majusi (Zoroastrian) faith.

    Moslem accounts to the Vikings include Al-Ghazal’s (8th – 9th Century, Al-Andalus) entitled “embassy mission to the Vikings,” originated within Al-Muqtabis fi tarikh al-Andalus of Ibn Hayyan (The collected knowledge on the history of Al-Andalus.)

    The most extensive account on the Vikings by Moslems is that written by Ibn Fadlan (10th Century, Baghdad.)

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  189. Malla says:
    @denk
    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me.

    I hope that never happens, denk. It is fun reading your posts.
    hehehehe

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  190. gT says:
    @Malla

    murkkans./Indians are mirrored images of each others, they’r made in heaven natural soul mates !
     
    The Han are jealous.
    hehehehe
    Han ditched their Soviet ruskie buddies (whom Han considered lesser Whites anyways) and sat on Uncle Sam's lap (Higher Whites) but uncle Sam treat proud yellow Han as pariah (Did Uncle Sam consider Han, lesser Yellows compared to the Japanese?). Han take big Anglo uncle Sam money and send weapons in Africa to destroy small Anglos of Rhodesia/South Africa. Han help big Anglo, but big Anglo still rebuff him.
    Han angry that, without doing any help, darkie smelly Hindoo (lowest of Caucasians) treated like brothers, by highest of Caucasians, Uncle Sam and John Bull (which was original Han dream). After rebuff by Anglos, the Han went workaholic to prove to themselves and the world that they are awesome. Yet big Anglos not treat Han like brothers. Han now frustrated and spend time on internet spreading hatred against brownie Hindoo, drinking baiju on the side.
    hehehehe

    ROFL

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    You'r very good at holding onto others coattail eh ?

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  191. @Daniel Chieh

    But Chinese love to mock other Chinese. I hear Chinese in Hong Kong are filled with contempt for Mainland Chinese and vice versa. I hear Taiwanese like to shi* on other Chinese.
    And Hong Kong cinema is full of people who like to mock everything, though mostly fellow Chinese.
     

    I don't know if mock is the right word - they mostly just don't see each other as an ingroup and thus have no great reason to like each other*. A Malaysian or Indo-Chinese has as much to do with a Mainland Chinese as an Australian as to do with an Englishman(and probably a bit less so): same ethnicity, similar if modified culture, and often the same language, but with very different attitudes on values of life. There's always something to claim locally as superior after all, whether it is cinema(Hong Kong), order/civility(Singapore), democracy(Taiwan), or even having a "more laid-back outlook on life"(SEA Chinese diaspora).

    I think the Jewish have a culture to be more tightly affiliated as an ingroup and frequently have a sense of outside oppresssion as an unifying myth. Indeed, anti-Chinese sentiment tends to be the main source of Chinese unity as well - less effective because often the population will perceive themselves as something other than "Chinese"(Singaporean, Malaysian, etc) .

    In Chinese, this is called being like "沙" and is often mourned: basically being like individual granules of sand that do not actually help each other. Since this has been going on at least a thousand years, it probably isn't to change.

    *Some, of course, try to signal hard and seek acceptable by actively hating themselves: Gordan Chang being the most prominent example, but there are plenty of this in less prominent people. The sense of self-hate, the desire to be anything but Chinese, the desperate to escape is a palpable feeling those individuals exhibit.

    像一盘散沙

    “Xiang4 Yi4 Pan2 San4 Sha1″

    Maybe because there’s always a lot of us pulling in different directions. Then it takes some crisis to bring us back together. Shades of 分久必合,合久必分.

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    I always heard 散沙; its nice to see the actual proverb. This is why its always so hilarious the notion that Han somehow can mass coordinate; some time ago, I heard of Koreans who helped by lending each other money to start small businesses. Would be nice if the Chinese could manage that, but of course not.

    Guanxi exists, and I think those localized patronage networks is what is often misperceived as greater coordination.
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  192. Malla says:
    @Singh
    They kind of deserve it though after colonialism, imperialism & today trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/954791387882385408

    If you say they're manipulated by Jews or elites then,

    Not a horse, not an elephant and a tiger, certainly not. Give a young goat as oblation;,the Gods destroy the weak.

    Nobody will mourn them least not themselves as they only worship Jewish Ancestors।।

    Our Blood tends toward extremism both the most Radical Euro Pagans (Rus/Ukr) & Muslim (Afghan) are the most related to us।।

    Guru Sahib has ordered us to cleanse Melech, you are one if you stand by them।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    They kind of deserve it ….. trying to force everyone to live by their rules।।

    And that would have been good for the world. And thus to prevent this from happening the globalists and their secret societies launched Communism, Islamic fundamentalism, Hippie movements, Urban culture, Hindu fundamentalism, counter culture, Hindu holyment in the west, anti colonialism, Afrocentrism, Cultural Marxism, black conscious communities, Gangsta Rap, La Raza etc…. All of that launched to prevent this from happening.

    What I understand is that the Globalist elite scum want us all to either behave like this

    A]

    OR on the other hand like this

    B]

    OR even this

    C]

    But not like this

    D]

    The globalists hate hate hate [D] behaviour and culture for the masses. After watching Hollywood for years, anyone can get this propaganda.

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  193. My wife insists she’s able to tell Vietnamese from Chinese, though I could never do so myself. She says they have flatter faces.

    I had taught quite a lot of Vietnamese students on scholarship. Most of them scooted off to the US after getting their A Level results. Come to think of it, most of them looked almost indistinguishable from ethnic Chinese, which was why they are quite irked when local old people would talk to them in mandarin/hokkien/teochew and they would have to tell them they aren’t chinese.

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  194. Che Guava says:
    @Third world nationalist
    Vietnamese is austro asiatic with influence from dai and Chinese. Racially the vietnamese are similiar to the dai/tai. Check out out Razib Khan's work on vietnamese genetics.

    The following link explains the origin of the vietnamese language quite well.

    http://eastasiaorigin.blogspot.sg/2017/07/origin-of-vietnamese-language.html

    Thamk you for that link to the helpful descritption.

    Very informative.

    Still, it is doing nothing to convince me that viet is austro-asian language.

    As one of the commenters there was pointing out and I am extending a little, if 70% of vocabulary is from China, grammar is the same, except in rare cases of import, then it is a southern dialect of southern Chinese.

    Not ‘austro-asian’.

    To claim that it is ‘austro-asian’ is like claiming that French is in the Germanic language family, based only on some shared vocab. and phonology in some places.

    It only leaves me more convinced that the Wikipedia is, as so often, wrong.

    However, thank you again for the link.

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  195. @The Wobbly Guy
    像一盘散沙

    "Xiang4 Yi4 Pan2 San4 Sha1"

    Maybe because there's always a lot of us pulling in different directions. Then it takes some crisis to bring us back together. Shades of 分久必合,合久必分.

    I always heard 散沙; its nice to see the actual proverb. This is why its always so hilarious the notion that Han somehow can mass coordinate; some time ago, I heard of Koreans who helped by lending each other money to start small businesses. Would be nice if the Chinese could manage that, but of course not.

    Guanxi exists, and I think those localized patronage networks is what is often misperceived as greater coordination.

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  196. @SomeGuy
    >built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries

    You make it sound like they're whites. Any ethnic Chinese society will inevitably be dominated by a few who squeeze the life out of everybody else via extortionary rents and 80h work weeks while in the west (((merchants))) are largely to blame.

    Empathy is not a Chinese trait. Don't be fooled that the Chinamen due to their lack of violent tendencies and general industriousness can build a western or Japan like society that is largely middle class.

    If Singapore doesn't turn into Dheli 2.0 it'll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.

    Yes, this is why Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong or even China doesn’t have a large middle class. Self-refuting nonsense.

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    I have lived in China and I have observed the behavior of Chinese people.

    You have a Chinese name so I presume you're Chinese and therefore can't accept the truth that Chinese people have no empathy for each other, only care about their own family and quickly jew together what they can without limits.

    Only 40 years in, the deck seems almost completely stacked against average Wang in cities like Beijing and Shanghai despite prevailing party policies to limit large housing ownership holdings by few individuals and it took even less time in places that accepted outpouring wealth from China of dubious origins like Vancouver to become completely unaffordable.

    What is "muh dick" for the negro is "muh properties" for the Chinaman who gloats over the woes of the less cunning that has to pay his extortionary rents and lives in deplorable conditions.
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  197. Malla says:
    @AaronB
    Just to expand on this a little.

    Whites need to develop a "double mind" - where the surface doesn't necessarily reflect the depths. This way you have psychological distance from any situation you're in.

    One of the ways those Turks resisted brainwashing was by maintaing an attitude of amused emotional distance. Whites seem to be immersed in any situation they're in, and have a kind of thin and flat mentality.

    Sometimes I think whites became so strong through technology that this gave them the luxury to be stupid. Nietzsche said power makes stupid.

    Jewish cunning is the tactic of the weak, but you see now that Jews have become so strong that they are becoming stupid. They are stupidly revealing their hand more and more, and are failing to realize that the tactic of calling everyone an anti semite isnt working anymore, that it can only work when you can plausibly claim to be a weak minority, not a dominant elite.

    You see this on Steve Sailer'a threads on various Jewish pundits where their responses are stupid and tone deaf (jpod, etc).

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence - building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn't reality, but social results).

    These two skill sets are obviously opposites, and specializing in one leaves you stupid in the other.

    It's why finance, media, and law are dominated by Jews, and engineering and inventions by whites.

    Whites became too specialized in one area - and that is very dangerous in a large world with no borders. Whites have to relearn the "human" arts and find a balance between these ways of thinking.

    Extremes may let you win for a while, but always end up destroying you. We see this with Jews too - their extreme specialization in the skills needed to dominate social space gives them great victories for a while, but always ends in them being banished, expelled, or worse. This is happening again in America.

    Asians are a good example of a culture much better at balancing these extremes, and this is reflected in their yin/yang philosophy. They are great engineers and have the human skills to remain socially cohesive, but they aren't inventive like whites nor can they dominate social space like Jews.

    Extremes may seem exciting, and people who don't really know Asian culture often think it seems "boring". But anyone who looks past that and continues to engage with balanced Asian cultures find them to be deeply satisfying in a completely different way, and exciting extremes began to seem, ultimately, boring and juvenile.

    Sane culture are balanced. We dont have to turn to highly foreign Asian cultures for guidance. In the West our own ancient Greek and Roman cultures also concluded that balance is best, especially after they saw how the unbalanced Athenian culture led to disaster, and we can draw on these sources perhaps to turn away from our "Promethean" culture and towards sanity and balance.

    Brilliant comment

    Whites developed the skills to dominate physical space (technology) and Jews developed the skills to dominate social space. Every specialization involves a corresponding stupidity.

    The skills needed to dominate physical space are absolute honesty, abstract thought that is divorced from the emotions, and analytic inteligence (breaking down into smaller units rather than building up thought structures)

    The skills to dominate social space are duplicity, a very emotional way of thinking and an understanding of emotion, and synthetic intelligence – building up thought strictures for people to believe in, however flimsy and implausible (the point isn’t reality, but social results).

    Maybe because Whites evolved in the cold North and had to fight nature to survive. Besides Whites of different tribes were often in situations where they had to cooperate to survive difficult situations in the snowy wastelands. That explains why Whites trust strangers much more easily than browns. This trust was meant only for fellow Whites of different ethnic group/tribe, not all mankind. Because of the influence of universal Christianity/ modernism they now trust everybody easily (to come to their countries), something others take advantage of.

    Jews evolved in the Middle Zone (in between the cold north and Hot tropics) where due to early start in farming, population densities rose faster, much earlier. So dealing with people was more important. Besides that, in the Middle Zone there was multi racialism/multiculturalism, races of different types (Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids, Australoids) came and fought each other, mixed with each other, mated with each other. Hence populations here are untrustworthy of outsiders and concentrate on exploiting the out group.

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  198. Hibernian says:
    @Duke of Qin
    A good analogy would be a comparison between Spaniards and Latin Americans. Many Latin Americans could pass by without comment in Spain and vice versa but even more would be readily identifiable as non Spanish because they are obviously mixed.

    The Vietnamese, that is the Kinh, are actually a mestizo race formed in the last two thousand years. Their ancestry is primarily Thai, but with a significant amount of Chinese ancestry from both a millennium of imperial rule and continuous Chinese migration. How they ended up speaking an Austro-Asiatic language no one is certain on. Their ancestry is quite similar to the Han Chinese of the far south such as Guangdong and Guangxi except the admixture ratios are different. Whereas the neighboring Chinese might be roughly 90-10 Northern Chinese and native Thai, the Vietnamese would be the inverse.

    In another parallel with the mestizos of Latin America, the proportion of Chinese ancestry rises with socio-