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With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel, China is Mao and Xi, Russia is Lenin, Stalin and Putin, Japan is no-name-comes-to-mind, Korea is Little Rocket Man, Vietnam is Ho Chee Mann and Mexico, right next door, is, ah, Speedy Gonzales. Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was.

By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes. If you haven’t heard of the last two groups, it’s because they’ve been mostly wiped out. Though extremely costly, with two clear defeats, these wars were dubbed the Ten Great Campaigns by the vain and delusional Qianlong Emperor.

Incompetently ruled, slow to modernize, corrupt, decadent, with many of its men on drugs and its women’s feet bound, China was racked by rebellions then defeated and gang-raped by Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Germany, Italy and Austro-Hungary, thus came the end of Imperial China. Backward through much of the 20th century, China hardly invaded anybody because it couldn’t.

In Vietnam, China’s pretext for the 1788 invasion was the restoration of a deposed Viet king, Le Chieu Thong, and when at least 40,000 Chinese marched into Hanoi in October of 1788 without facing resistance, they surely thought their mission was all-too-easily accomplished. Four months later, however, the Vietnamese launched a Tet offensive that killed roughly 20,000 Chinese, with the rest decimated further during their chaotic sprint back to China. A defeated Chinese general, Sun Shiyi [孫士毅], would fare much better against the Hmongs and adherents of White Lotus, a Buddhist sect. When you can’t beat a small nation of dark, scrawny men, you can still flex your overhyped muscles against, say, Grenada and Branch Davidians.

The last time China occupied all of Vietnam was from 1407 to 1427. The victors took the Viet king, Ho Quy Ly, back to China, where he was either killed or turned into a common soldier. The Chinese also kidnapped many Vietnamese boys whom they castrated and made into court eunuchs. One, Nguyen An, became a key architect of Beijing’s Forbidden City, now a symbol of China second only to the Great Wall.

China’s ruler then was the Yongle Emperor. Among his many achievements was to send Zheng He on seven naval expeditions that scoured all of East and South Asia, and even reached the Strait of Hormuz, the Red Sea and East Africa. Nearly six centuries later, China is trying to become a blue-water power, and it has established a military base in Djibouti. Last week, newspapers around the world reported that China may be testing an unprecedented electromagnetic gun, mounted on a warship, that can fire missiles a hundred miles at seven times the speed of sound.

To consolidate control, the Yongle Emperor killed thousands of political enemies and scholars of uncertain loyalty, including, most famously, Fang Xiaoru, along with his wives, children, grandchildren, grandparents, uncles and aunts with their spouses, cousins, in-laws, students and even friends, a total of 873 people associated with Fang. That should teach the insolent bookworm! Threatened with family extermination to the ninth degree, Fang immortally shouted, “Make it tenth!” Cut in half, Fang supposedly wrote “usurper” [篡] on the ground, with a finger dipped in his own blood.

History is replete with magnificent men grossly wronged or abjectly humiliated. For defending a disgraced general, Sima Qian was castrated, then jailed for three years, but this didn’t stop the Chinese Herodotus from completing Records of the Grand Historian, a colossal history of China spanning 2,500 years. For the sake of his masterwork, Sima Qian continued to serve the expletive who had transgendered him, the Emperor Wu of Han.

This year marks the 50th anniversary of a much more familiar Tet offensive, so a block from me in Saigon, there’s a well-designed billboard depicting six Vietcongs against a blue background of palm trees. The three most conspicuous soldiers are women, interestingly, with one holding a captured M-16. Walking around, I also ran into a photo display recounting how the Vietcong used a restaurant, Pho Binh, to store smuggled weapons and plan the Tet Offensive. On the first floor, diners were served Peace Pho [Phở Hòa Bình], unaware that in a secret basement was a cache of AK-47s, anti-tank weapons, hand grenades and plastic explosives. Above the eager slurpers, their enemy planned their destruction.

Surely, there are lessons to be learnt from the Vietcong’s urban guerrilla tactics, an uprooted eunuch who built enduring structures, a bold yet ruthless emperor, a servile grand historian and an uncompromising scholar who caused all who knew him to perish? In article after article about the 1968 Tet Offensive, sacrifice is repeatedly stressed, as in one must be willing to die for one’s ideals, nation and the Communist Party, with the last clearly a false note to many.

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In peace, Vietnamese display few civic virtues, with traffic accident victims often robbed even, but when collectively threatened, they can show a striking unity and resolve, which have led many foreign observers to compare them to insects. Whatever. What matters is that they have endured for more than two millennia, and from the Trung Sisters, Ly Thuong Kiet, Le Loi, Tran Hung Dao to Quang Trung, the only consensus Vietnamese heroes are those who resisted China. Vietnamese honor Tran Binh Trong. Captured by the Chinese in 1285 after a battle, he refused to yield information and declared, just before he was killed, “I’d rather be a southern devil than a northern king.”

A community can’t survive without a collective memory, and no, sport trivia don’t count. Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

Linh Dinh’s latest books are Postcards from the End of America (non-fiction) and A Mere Rica (poetry). He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Hi Linh,

    You state:

    “In article after article about the Tet Offensive … sacrifice is repeatedly stressed, as in one must be willing to die for ones ideals, nation…..”

    This brings to mind Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s exhortation to his troops in the Battle of Gallipoli:

    “Men, I am not ordering you to attack, I am ordering you to die.”

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    Linh Dinh, "A community can’t survive without a collective memory," also it is a tragedy to have a collective memory fabricated for the community by aliens from the West for the purpose to turn the community into a willing cannon fodder to be slaughtered for their interests.

    Mind you, it is not a hypothesis; Vietnam has been slaughtered by the aliens from the West more than once to serve their interests.
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  2. Biff says:

    When you can’t beat a small nation of dark, scrawny men, you can still flex your overhyped muscles against, say, Grenada and Branch Davidians.

    It’s not funny!(at least it shouldn’t be, but I laughed anyway)

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    Yeah. The US beat them on the ground, but gave it away at the negotiation table and Kennedy, McGovern, and Mansfield, betrayed the South Vietnamese in the halls of congress. The thousands who died to keep the north out, certainly wouldn't find it funny.
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  3. Too much hate and too much despair. Peace and prosperity are for all people.

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  4. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you’re projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don’t think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn’t protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can’t blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don’t know what’s up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can’t blame this on Chinese aggression. It’s just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won’t be that retarded.
    I don’t get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there’s no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that ‘racism’ is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is ‘racist’. Since there is nothing worse than ‘racism’, whites can’t say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it’s not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become ‘Americans’.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It’s because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    “Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes.”

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China’s birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was “foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there.”
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China’s borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they’d conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn’t have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn’t invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn’t a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn’t want to stop at invading China. They figured, “If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt.” So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It’s shiiiiite!

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn’t have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they’ve grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn’t have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn’t take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese “fuc* you”, and there was fighting… in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it’s hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn’t resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said ‘fuc* you’, and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It’s like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it’s about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

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    Interesting historical overview, thanks.
    , @TT
    Interesting writing, better than Linh usual China swallow up Vietnam scare monger story. Wonder if Linh is a CIA paid troll for sinophobe. He didn't even understand EM Gun only fired dummy projectiles, not missiles, but still go ahead to BS.

    Could Mr. Ron seriously consider inviting some Chinese, Indian, German writers to write their side of story like Russian did, on topics that are affecting the world so we can hear some interesting comments from horse mouth. Examples:

    China topics

    How will China rise and its Confucian value shape the world?

    When Petrol Yuan takeover Dollar.

    Will OBOR succeed under US war ravaging sabotage?

    How will China fast improving technology affect the world?

    Talk on China A. I.

    China military.

    Germany and EU topics

    Why Merkel is flooding Germany by millions of Muslim Refugees, with terrorists embeded, without Germans uprising?

    What is happening in EU migration policy?

    Why Europeans are destroying their own values?

    Is EU bankrupt like US?

    Will Russia or Germany be the Washington of United States of Europe?

    Does Germany gain in collaborating with China on technologies, like huge China market and more R&D fund for next technology?


    India topics like:

    Can India succeed to become another China or even surpass it as Modi declared?

    Why India is still so poor despite with all the West generous investments and unrestricted help in technology transfer and acquisition?

    India most powerful Weapon of Mass Migration.

    Why India prefer US than China?
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Anonymous opined: "LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful...They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon."

    Must prologue this comment by reaffirming my dislike for engaging comments with anyone "anonymous."

    The first sentence in the above quote is ridiculously baseless.

    Here in Scranton, Pa, residents admire Chinese restaurant owners/workers for their work ethic and preparation of good tasting & affordable meals. In addition, Scrantonians are impressed by seeing elementary school Chinese students doing homework & reading books while their PEACEFUL parents diligently work.

    No doubt, locals neither regularly connect with Chinese businessmen / real estate entrepreneurs like, for one example, the ones braggart Sam Shama engaged while doing Far East "business" and gave Talmuds as gifts to potential customers.

    (Zigh) A growing percentage of AWARE Americans see their own government's pairing with elite powerful Israelis as a "big dragon trying to gobble up everything"!

    Finally, anonymous, both Hillary and Trump would kiss the butts of Chinese government "Deciders" who would agree to allow the Goldman Sachs Group to do untethered investment business in China.
    , @Clyde
    stellar!
    , @augusto
    Yes, you think the Chinese rule won´t be so complete - but your forget one thing: the asians will offer greedy and spineless yankees what they like most: the appearance of easy money.
    You cannot deny that the moral fibers of the american sheeple are close to rotten fractures. Just compare a russian or korean soldiear to an american... And just see what chinese and russians do with a mere 10 percent fraction of US investment in weaponry! What the US does keep and glories on is the title of world ´s most criminal state.
    The state that recognizes Mohamedu shahila innocence, tortures him three more years and in the end has the supreme cowardice of sending him home in a plane hand cuffed, tied to a plane chair and with blinded eyes... this state is simply far more racaille than Genghis Khan at his heyday. No less.
    The US are a worlwide shame and what keeps you alive is a monstrous MSM propaganda machine.
    And so far in 8000 years of History all empires who morally decaying plunged into a rapid destruction. And their enemies were far less powerful than Beijing will be in 15 years.
    England should not have won without american support.,
    But the URSS would have won the III Reich anyway, without anyone´s support...
    , @myself
    Respectfully beg to differ on some points.

    Han are more civilian-society oriented and technocratic, by preference. They would rather build huge engineering projects. cities and accumulate wealth and knowledge than go to war. They are no Spartans, not a warrior-society built on martial virtue. That would more analogously fit the Imperial-era Japanese.

    War is seen in China as but one necessary activity in human affairs, but it holds no precedence over science, business, engineering, or public policy.

    But like the Republican Romans, they will fight, and effectively, if they must.

    After they got unified, they outright destroyed the Huns in their eastern Mongolian homeland in 133 BC, and incorporated the territory. The Huns fled west across Eurasia, turned the Scythians, Sarmatians and Alans into vassals, and smashed into the Persian and Roman empires, terrorizing the Germans and directly triggering the Great Migrations.

    Then, they lost Mongolia to the original pure-blood Asian Turks, the Gok Turks, who they annihilated in the 7th century AD in their central Mongolian homeland. The Han forced a choice on the Gok Turks - assimilate or be exterminated.

    Most submitted to the Chinese Emperor.

    The remainder again fled west, and invaded many of the Muslim and Slavic lands and were stopped with great difficulty by the Byzantines. They were then converted into Islam, except of course those who remained under Han rule in eastern Eurasia.

    When the ferocious, pre-Buddhist Tibetans foolishly invaded Han lands, the wrought great havoc. Then they were crushed and Tibet bacame part of Empire. The Han have ruled Xinjiang militarily since around 200 BC, when the Chinese expanded their empire into Central Asia to control the Silk Roads.

    Upon the fall of the Yuan dynasty, the majority of Mongols assimilated (more Mongolian ethnics in China today than in Republic of Mongolia, for ex.), and were incorporated into the Imperial cavalry. Then the Ming pushed the Mongol remnants back into their homeland and bottled them up, all while suppressing a huge peasant rebellion in Southern China AND sending about 100,000 trained soldiers to Korea to counter the invasion by some 300,000 Japanese in the Imjin War - successfully.

    So, IMHO, you may disagree, the Han seem plenty able to fight.
    , @EnnriiqueCardovaa
    Also, PC doesn’t protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Not really. The Chinese just don’t RESPOND as aggressively or visibly to racist jibes, narratives etc, so PC is not as active. Also white women are nicely protected by PC these days not merely Jews, homos etc.


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    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can’t blame this on Chinese aggression. It’s just Anglo stupidity.

    Not really. Who says the Anglos are stupid? They can afford to let in even more Chinese and Hindoos because:

    a) the incoming is bringing money with them, and Anglos always love money. It is no longer peasant farmers as in the 1800s.

    b) The incoming are not only more educated than the peasants of yore, but they are wiling to take low- level jobs that white Anglos shy away from, and are willing in some cases to work at cheaper wages, adding to the profitable bottom lines of white Anglo businesses.

    c) As the white Anglo population ages, the incoming, who tend to be younger, work and contribute more in payouts to the social security systems that benefit the older Anglos.

    d) Anglos always have the option of metering or choking off immigration, and in any event, through control of the bulk of the land, the legal system, government and educational institutions, can, and do discriminate against the incoming in favor os whites. Hence you will find lower qualified whites holding jobs or university admission slots and not higher qualified Asians, despite a lot of pious white talk about "merit." This is indeed a standard Asian complaint. So again, who says Anglos are being "stupid" when in fact they control the overall card game to their benefit?



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    I don’t get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there’s no stopping it.

    Rather naïve. Who says "fellow white Russians" are these nice allies of the white West, or a "non-existent" threat? For most of recorded history, Russians have actually been strategic competitors looking to gain the upper hand. FOR NOW, Russians find it convenient to play a sort of "white solidarity card" but only because it is a current point of vulnerability that can be exploited- a wedge issue that can be used to gain access, influence and advantage. Once their strategic objectives are achieved vis a vis the West, Russia will drop the "white solidarity card." It is only a convenience for now.

    The Fuehrer was not naïve back in the day and saw through the duplicity of the Russian. Hence his Nazi-Soviet pact was designed to be a temporary checkpoint, before the real battle was joined. Russia is only "playing" the right white in the US and elsewhere. It may well link up with China via the "One Belt-One Road" initiative and others to secure a good foothold in the vital Middle East, putting itself in a stronger position as arbiter of western Eurasia's fortunes. The "alt right" and such are only pawns for now.

    As for the mass immigration invasion, most of the threat is by "Caucasoids" from the Middle East, not Africans or Asians. And it is the white West that has played a big hand in sparking the wars and upheavals that have generated the masses of immigration of their fellow "Caucasoids."


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    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that ‘racism’ is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is ‘racist’. Since there is nothing worse than ‘racism’, whites can’t say NO to more invasion.

    More laughable naivete and boilerplate right wing propaganda. Who says white people think "racism" is the worse thing? If so, why is racial discrimination against blacks alive and well in housing, credit and employment markets as credible studies document time and time again? And why are Asians complaining again and again that white talk ab out "merit" is sometimes hypocritical when they see whites rigging the game to ensure for example, that lower qualified whites get university and employment slots that Asians are better qualified for? The well documented analyses of Ron Unz as to discrimination against Asians in university admissions is only one illustration of this reality. White people don't want to be seen AS OPENLY RACIST. But that's just on the surface. UNDER THE SURFACE, they are maneuvering for every racial advantage they can.


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    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    This bears little relation to reality. Swedes have no culture? Really? and most Arabs only care about "pop culture"? Oh so they don’t care about say- Islam?



    .
    all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is.

    LOL, No. Learn some basic history. Actually all Americans are not form the "old World." You seem to have forgotten a Middle and South America which has been contributing to the "American" population since the 1500s.


    .
    The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it’s not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become ‘Americans’.

    Really? Last time anyone checked, the Irish, though embracing their American side of the house, have not at all dumped their "Old Worlds" identity. In fact until recent decades they were actively contributing millions per year to help their Catholic Irish brothers fight the Protestant "Old World" British.


    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn’t have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    Chinese are not much worse than whites as far as jackals or scavengers, as the historical record well shows. Just ask Native Americans. And re Chinese policy, You are contradicting yourself, showing how little grasp you have of the actual facts. Up above you say the Chinese did not "have the balls" to take Tibet etc. But then you admit that the same Tibet and Uighur fell into Chinese hands. How could they "lack the balls" to do something, yet do it at the same time? LOL.

    As for "balls" why should the Chinese back in that day mount a series of massive draining campaigns year after year against fractious nomadic tribes when a wall, combined with a policy of payoffs, punitive expeditions and strategic "divide and conquer" diplomacy get the job done? The British followed pretty much the same "management" strategy for over a century in India's frontier regions and kept a lid on things until they departed. Likewise the Russians pulled a "barbarian management" strategy in Central Asia for centuries and it worked for them more or less.


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    It’s like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders.

    But here again you are somewhat contradicting yourself. If the Russians feel threatened when NATO moves close to its borders, a NATO led by the US which wants to maintain its hegemony in Europe, how then can you claim earlier that Russia is not a strategic competitor? If Russia wants hegemony in its own Eastern European and Central Asian sphere of influence, how is that not competitive with the US desire for hegemony?
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  5. Biff says:

    Walking around, I also ran into a photo display recounting how the Vietcong used a restaurant, Pho Binh, to store smuggled weapons and plan the Tet Offensive.

    Wilfred Burchett makes for some interesting reading covering those events.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/author/wilfred-burchett/

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  6. “you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was.”

    Actually, you could have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China did. Its boundaries are pretty much coterminous with those 2,000 years ago and its population growth, from 400 million to 1.4 billion has been accomplished without invading or enslaving its neighbors.

    And the claim that, “To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies” is just counterfactual: China has always preferred to avoid not only vassals and colonies but even contact and trade. Her current willingness to trade is based solely on the need to keep an eye on the barbarians.

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    Complete rubbish. Taiwan and Manchuria are among the latest areas to have been colonised by Han Chinese.
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  7. If awareness of past military exploits is all national unity is made of then Americans should be just fine. They can even get together and have barbecues and talk about a few battles where they didn’t massively outnumber their opponents and suffer enormous casualties.

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  8. “With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel, China is Mao and Xi, Russia is Lenin, Stalin and Putin, Japan is no-name-comes-to-mind, Korea is Little Rocket Man, Vietnam is Ho Chee Mann and Mexico, right next door, is, ah, Speedy Gonzales. Having no historical depth…”

    Ok, no argument with the preceding, so long as it’s ok to overlap and paraphrase this next:

    ‘Having no geopolitical insights whatsoever, I [Linh Dinh] will assert that modern Germany, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded nation that shuns colonialism and genocides. Angela Merkel is pro-human rights and her sheltering the skilled and educated class of Syrian refugees, those for the most part who could afford to come to Europe, has nothing to with her foreign intelligence service helping with attempted overthrow of Assad and propping up the German economics demographic where wages have been kept flat for over a decade and there are not enough young Germans to keep growing the economy without the refugee influx. And certainly there is no Merkel support for handing Ukraine to neo-Nazis…, any facts supporting this are just illusion! Just don’t let Ronald Thomas West speak to that!’

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/03/25/germanys-martyrs-of-the-maidan/

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    More to the point “With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel..." a case where Linh Dinh's proposed stereotype is not so far off the mark -
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    "With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel, China is Mao and Xi, Russia is Lenin, Stalin and Putin, Japan is no-name-comes-to-mind, Korea is Little Rocket Man, Vietnam is Ho Chee Mann and Mexico, right next door, is, ah, Speedy Gonzales. Having no historical depth..."
     
    Ok, no argument with the preceding, so long as it's ok to overlap and paraphrase this next:

    'Having no geopolitical insights whatsoever, I [Linh Dinh] will assert that modern Germany, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded nation that shuns colonialism and genocides. Angela Merkel is pro-human rights and her sheltering the skilled and educated class of Syrian refugees, those for the most part who could afford to come to Europe, has nothing to with her foreign intelligence service helping with attempted overthrow of Assad and propping up the German economics demographic where wages have been kept flat for over a decade and there are not enough young Germans to keep growing the economy without the refugee influx. And certainly there is no Merkel support for handing Ukraine to neo-Nazis..., any facts supporting this are just illusion! Just don't let Ronald Thomas West speak to that!'
     
    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/03/25/germanys-martyrs-of-the-maidan/

    ^

    More to the point “With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel…” a case where Linh Dinh’s proposed stereotype is not so far off the mark -

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    Except that for Merkel's Germany & the fake '6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible, they could not have happened as alleged.
    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars demand censorship.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/HH-July2017-30secs+DonationPitch.mp4
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

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  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Vietnamese are mindlessly joining the losing side, out of pure emotion.

    As the rest of East Asia get rich, the Vietnamese are apparently determined to stay poor. Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can’t afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can’t help the Vietnamese much.

    So the Vietnamese go out of their way to antagonize the one country that can make them rich. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, ...they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.

    Linh in US could access all informations like UNZ, yet he earnestly wish Vietnam to repeat same mistake like all shit holes countries Make by US.

    CIA Textbook: Have idiots help CIA use FB & medias to instigate Color Revolution, Regime change/Coup, Kick out China, Buy US weapons and welcome his terrorists, Fight war with neighbors, Live in chaos and wars forever happily, Courtesy from Uncle Scam.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can’t afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can’t help the Vietnamese much.
     
    The issues lie not only in capability, but mostly in will.

    It won't matter either way. As noted, the relationship is very similar to that of Mexico to the United States, including the weird hatemongering to a country they very much depend on for day to day living standard.
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  11. China was racked by rebellions then defeated and gang-raped by Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Germany, Italy and Austro-Hungary,

    If you’re going to use the “gang-rape” analogy than Austria-Hungary was more like the chubby guy in the corner masturbating and trying to cop the occasional feel while the other guys went about their business.

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    That cracked me up. Over and over again. Thanks for the laughs.
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  12. @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Interesting historical overview, thanks.

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  13. JackOH says:

    Linh, thanks for your writing from Asia. My understanding of Asia and her peoples is limited, so I welcome your views. Likewise, I’m okay with your sharply worded, epigrammatic opinions, too. They do what they’re supposed to do–they provoke. BTW-Picked up your Postcards from the local Barnes and Noble Saturday, about 200 yards from where you’d reported from my city a few years back. Your observations about the American scene deserve a wider audience. FWIW-I’m sort of glad the handsomely printed trade paperback is made in the USA.

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  14. “Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides….”

    Really? How “many Americans” did Linh Dinh interview in order to draw this condescending conclusion? Can we get a break from the preaching of this twerp?

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    If you don't like it, don't read it. That's as much of a break as you need.
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  15. TT says:
    @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Interesting writing, better than Linh usual China swallow up Vietnam scare monger story. Wonder if Linh is a CIA paid troll for sinophobe. He didn’t even understand EM Gun only fired dummy projectiles, not missiles, but still go ahead to BS.

    Could Mr. Ron seriously consider inviting some Chinese, Indian, German writers to write their side of story like Russian did, on topics that are affecting the world so we can hear some interesting comments from horse mouth. Examples:

    China topics

    How will China rise and its Confucian value shape the world?

    When Petrol Yuan takeover Dollar.

    Will OBOR succeed under US war ravaging sabotage?

    How will China fast improving technology affect the world?

    Talk on China A. I.

    China military.

    Germany and EU topics

    Why Merkel is flooding Germany by millions of Muslim Refugees, with terrorists embeded, without Germans uprising?

    What is happening in EU migration policy?

    Why Europeans are destroying their own values?

    Is EU bankrupt like US?

    Will Russia or Germany be the Washington of United States of Europe?

    Does Germany gain in collaborating with China on technologies, like huge China market and more R&D fund for next technology?

    India topics like:

    Can India succeed to become another China or even surpass it as Modi declared?

    Why India is still so poor despite with all the West generous investments and unrestricted help in technology transfer and acquisition?

    India most powerful Weapon of Mass Migration.

    Why India prefer US than China?

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  16. TT says:
    @Anonymous
    The Vietnamese are mindlessly joining the losing side, out of pure emotion.

    As the rest of East Asia get rich, the Vietnamese are apparently determined to stay poor. Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can't afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can't help the Vietnamese much.

    So the Vietnamese go out of their way to antagonize the one country that can make them rich. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, …they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.

    Linh in US could access all informations like UNZ, yet he earnestly wish Vietnam to repeat same mistake like all shit holes countries Make by US.

    CIA Textbook: Have idiots help CIA use FB & medias to instigate Color Revolution, Regime change/Coup, Kick out China, Buy US weapons and welcome his terrorists, Fight war with neighbors, Live in chaos and wars forever happily, Courtesy from Uncle Scam.

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    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, …they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.
     
    When Dim Dinh grows older and maybe learns some wisdom, he may acknowledge how much of a mistake it was to allow himself to be brainwashed by empty U.S. fairy tales.

    What does he want the U.S. to do? Kill a few million more Vietnamese? Maybe that will cut the Vietnamese population enough to suit him.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.
    , @Disordered
    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: "Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!"

    We eventually kicked them out.

    And you're making a similar mistake, although perhaps in a grander nicer way since the Chinese-led megaprojects are bigger... and so are the debts.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt. Meanwhile Ecuadorians, following the idiotic left the Chinese love to support abroad, were banned from fishing, consuming, and commercializing said sharks, not just in the Galapagos but everywhere. That same left regime had also kicked out an American base and had a border dispute with Colombia over them sending troops to chase a guerrilla in our borders; so it was expected to be just as patriotic with these Chinese fishing boats raping a national fragile ecosystem/huge tourist attraction for their own profit... right? Of course not, no one in the Ecuadorian public knew about the fleet until the Galapagos population revealed it. Thanks to situations like these, politically we became more moderate and are moving slightly but surely rightwards, since we are near a Greece situation at this point... so thanks, you might undo even the good things the past left regime did. That won't mean your yuan and cheap manufacture are not welcome - but sure as hell will mean dollars and euros remain as important if not more (since China doesn't take in as much Third World exports).

    There's other examples of Chinese intervention in my country, some are good (built a nice huge dam in the Amazon jungle that lowered energy costs), but there's enough bad ones that make the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding - while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome...
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  17. wayfarer says:

    Tet Offensives, Hungry China, and “Dumbed Down Americans.”

    Timeline of U.S. Inventions (before 1890): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(before_1890)

    Timeline of U.S. Inventions (1890–1945): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(1890%E2%80%931945)

    Timeline of U.S. Inventions (1946–1991): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(1946%E2%80%9391)

    Timeline of U.S. Inventions (after 1991): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(after_1991)

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  18. Joe Hide says:

    To Linh,
    I’ve read numerous accounts of the Vietnamese defeating invasions by China, the Mongols, and various others. The brilliant people, tactics, and strategies involved would make a great hero / action movie.
    Alas, it sounds like Vietnam is being transformed into a weaker and more materialistic society by the same hollywood, consumerism, controlled media systems that have hastened the demise of the West.
    Keep writing Linh!

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  19. Yee says:

    A prosperous new year to everyone.

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  20. @Biff

    When you can’t beat a small nation of dark, scrawny men, you can still flex your overhyped muscles against, say, Grenada and Branch Davidians.
     
    It’s not funny!(at least it shouldn’t be, but I laughed anyway)

    Yeah. The US beat them on the ground, but gave it away at the negotiation table and Kennedy, McGovern, and Mansfield, betrayed the South Vietnamese in the halls of congress. The thousands who died to keep the north out, certainly wouldn’t find it funny.

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    The Vietnam war was not a "civil-war" but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political system they chose to live under. They wanted "the whole pie".
    The South Vietnamese and American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968 "Tet offensive" was a "major loss" for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
    Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops.
    The Vietnamese "boat people" who risked life and limb to escape that communist "paradise" have a totally different story to tell, but which had been rarely reported...the so-called "anti-war protestors" were totally silent--no reaction from them on the plight of the "boat people".
    Documentary writer communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently "let it slip" that "re-education" by the communists was not a "six month deal" (as he claimed) in which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be "re-educated", but were actually prisons, in which "enemies of the (communist) state" were interned for as long as 20 years.
    It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.
    , @EnnriiqueCardovaa
    The US did not beat the NVA/VC on the ground- it STALEMATED the VC/NVA, big difference. Now after the US leaves in frustration, then the stalemate proceeds in favor of the communists. The US won SEVERAL engagements, especially those battalion level or higher, but it also suffered a number of defeats by the VC/NVA. The US achieved a stalemate, and at the end of 7 years, was only to glad to cut and go, leaving over 250,000 communist troops IN PLACE in the South.

    Carlton Meyer has compiled a list of 104 battles the US lost in Vietnam. I don't agree with some of them, but his list serves to remind folk that any narrative of an unbroken string of US military victories, ruined by "the politicians" is dubious.

    “Lost Battles of the Vietnam War”
    http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
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  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s Elaine Lan Chao of the Communist Workers Party in an oldie but goodie. Let the internet help you with your collective memory:

    “American employees must be punctual, dress appropriately, and have good personal hygiene. They need anger-management and conflict-resolution skills, and they have to be able to accept direction. Too many young people bristle when a supervisor asks them to do something.”

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  22. @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Anonymous opined: “LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful…They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.”

    Must prologue this comment by reaffirming my dislike for engaging comments with anyone “anonymous.”

    The first sentence in the above quote is ridiculously baseless.

    Here in Scranton, Pa, residents admire Chinese restaurant owners/workers for their work ethic and preparation of good tasting & affordable meals. In addition, Scrantonians are impressed by seeing elementary school Chinese students doing homework & reading books while their PEACEFUL parents diligently work.

    No doubt, locals neither regularly connect with Chinese businessmen / real estate entrepreneurs like, for one example, the ones braggart Sam Shama engaged while doing Far East “business” and gave Talmuds as gifts to potential customers.

    (Zigh) A growing percentage of AWARE Americans see their own government’s pairing with elite powerful Israelis as a “big dragon trying to gobble up everything”!

    Finally, anonymous, both Hillary and Trump would kiss the butts of Chinese government “Deciders” who would agree to allow the Goldman Sachs Group to do untethered investment business in China.

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  23. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Don’t know how many Americans–or those who attended US colleges–replied in the ‘COMMENTS,’ but the moronic replies left by some confirms part of this column’s title, “dumbed down.”

    Being ignorant is fixable, but being deliberately stupid is terminal.

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  24. Tulip says:

    Its the Age of Aquarius, the cosmos has shifted into an era of peace and harmony, and all these blue meanie types are just fossils. I’m a citizen of the world, and I don’t want to fight anyone. We just need to learn to listen better to each other, and share. Eat, Pray, Bong hits!

    Imagine there’s no heaven. . .

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  25. this is some weird fear by linh of china invading/annexing vietnam, is just weird :) especially in the 21st century :) if you want to use historical context that dates back 2000 years, every country is the same. but has china expanded it’s territory since the start of the first opium war? in 1850-60s? it has shrunk since :)

    I guess this is a vietnamese thing? the china fear? does linh know that vietnam in the 70s tried to conquer cambodia? :)

    it is incredibly stupid to call americans stupid. no one can stand up to the master lvl and total control of information. except for a few. even then it is all just suspicion base on available information. nothing concrete. that is the extent of the govt total information control. scary stuff and no end in sight.

    tet offensive was stupid in that it was light infantry who was best used in guerrilla warfare trying to do frontal assaults on fortified positions/bases.

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  26. 22pp22 says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    "you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was."

    Actually, you could have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China did. Its boundaries are pretty much coterminous with those 2,000 years ago and its population growth, from 400 million to 1.4 billion has been accomplished without invading or enslaving its neighbors.

    And the claim that, "To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies" is just counterfactual: China has always preferred to avoid not only vassals and colonies but even contact and trade. Her current willingness to trade is based solely on the need to keep an eye on the barbarians.

    Complete rubbish. Taiwan and Manchuria are among the latest areas to have been colonised by Han Chinese.

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    Most of the expansions Dinh describes in the article were by the Qing Dynasty Manchus. Manchuria became part of the Chinese Empire during the Qing Dynasty because the Qing were Manchus.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    Manchu must find that amusing. As to 'colonizing' Taiwan, neither the concept nor the intention existed at the time Taiwan fell under Chinese sway.
    , @Jesse James
    When the corrupt Chiang retreated to Taiwan, his security forces murdered 10,000 Taiwanese who resisted his invasion and takeover.

    " During World War II, the United States emerged as a major actor in Chinese affairs. As an ally it embarked in late 1941 on a program of massive military and financial aid to the hard-pressed Nationalist government. In January 1943 the United States and Britain led the way in revising their treaties with China, bringing to an end a century of unequal treaty relations. Within a few months, a new agreement was signed between the United States and China for the stationing of American troops in China for the common war effort against Japan. In December 1943 the Chinese exclusion acts of the 1880s and subsequent laws enacted by the United States Congress to restrict Chinese immigration into the United States were repealed. [Ibid]"

    " More than $3 billion was appropriated by Washington to China during World War II. Most of the money was transmitted through accounts controlled by Madame Chiang Kai-shek’s brother, then the foreign minister of China. U.S. President Harry Truman later wrote: “They’re thieves, every damn one of them. They stole $750 million out of the billions we sent to Chiang. They stole it, and it’s invested in real estate down in Sao Paulo and some right here in New York.”

    " During the war American diplomats found military supplies sent by the United States to China being sold on the black market. During the famine in 1946, the Kuomintang took food donated from United Nations famine relief and sold it on the black market." factsanddetails/ Taiwan

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  27. @Anonymous
    The Vietnamese are mindlessly joining the losing side, out of pure emotion.

    As the rest of East Asia get rich, the Vietnamese are apparently determined to stay poor. Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can't afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can't help the Vietnamese much.

    So the Vietnamese go out of their way to antagonize the one country that can make them rich. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can’t afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can’t help the Vietnamese much.

    The issues lie not only in capability, but mostly in will.

    It won’t matter either way. As noted, the relationship is very similar to that of Mexico to the United States, including the weird hatemongering to a country they very much depend on for day to day living standard.

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    I'd argue really only in will, which probably developed through historical reasons.

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China's Mexico (complete with offshoring of "jobs the Chinese won't do"), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans, who are helped by having a relatively large country to themselves and an American unwillingness to take them over completely. Even if, at least according to the pro-Chinese commentators, China has been relatively less expansionist than the US - since the US is important in the world sphere, that is. Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they've had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed? Not to mention, the Han Chinese strength in numbers arose precisely because they were so backwardly agricultural before and for far longer than the US was (if anything, the decadent Confucian imperial bureaucracy kept the country culturally together, until the 19th century when the modernized foreign threat of Westerners and then Japan started the development of modern Chinese national consciousness). So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

    Other than that, let's not get into piss contests of who invaded more - big and small countries alike have had irredentist claims and wars forever. The US annexed Louisiana and California, Mexico nearly did the same to Belize and Guatemala (and was founded upon the remains of the Aztecs and others), Vietnam attempted to annex Laos and Cambodia, and China went into Tibet... and are still there.

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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    lolz, All theater to divide the zombies, aka the slaves. We get zero truth in the alternative MSM. Only zombies believe these stories or anything about any Government anywhere, which means To Control the Mind. A handful of families rules the world because the “smart” people love their slavery. This includes the Vietnamese.

    Howard Cosell was a famous celebrity slave. He once spoke about how proud he was of a people who survived all these thousands of years. I learned in the 1970s that the rich families permit the slaves to read only carefully approved writers and listen to vetted sportscasters because anything else is basically illegal.

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    Daniel Chieh wrote:

    It won’t matter either way. As noted, the relationship [between Vietnam and China] is very similar to that of Mexico to the United States, including the weird hatemongering to a country they very much depend on for day to day living standard.
     
    You may be right, but I think my "brains impaired by Agent Orange" theory is more colorful.
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  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TT
    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, ...they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.

    Linh in US could access all informations like UNZ, yet he earnestly wish Vietnam to repeat same mistake like all shit holes countries Make by US.

    CIA Textbook: Have idiots help CIA use FB & medias to instigate Color Revolution, Regime change/Coup, Kick out China, Buy US weapons and welcome his terrorists, Fight war with neighbors, Live in chaos and wars forever happily, Courtesy from Uncle Scam.

    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, …they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.

    When Dim Dinh grows older and maybe learns some wisdom, he may acknowledge how much of a mistake it was to allow himself to be brainwashed by empty U.S. fairy tales.

    What does he want the U.S. to do? Kill a few million more Vietnamese? Maybe that will cut the Vietnamese population enough to suit him.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

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    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

    ??? I think Dinh is very critical of US role in Vietnam and the world. He's also critical of US cultural influence.
    BUT, unlike Godfree Roberts whose fantasies about Asia are expounded from afar, Dinh knows the reality up close. So, even as he is critical of US role in Vietnam, he is also aware of the ruthlessness and repressiveness of the communists. Also, there was a lot of terror AFTER the US left Vietnam. Many Viet Cong fighters in the South were sent to the labor camps by North Vietnamese rulers. Also, communist economics kept Vietnam isolated and poor for very long.
    And in Cambodia, the real horror happened AFTER the US left. And Mao's madness cannot be blamed on the US. And look at the shi* regime in North Korea.

    So, history is not cops and robbers, heroes and villains. Americans who see America always as the Good Guy are deluded. But then, so are people who romanticized the Third World radicals and Marxists. Che was really a pathological nut. Mao was a monster, and Pol Pot was a psychopath. Thankfully, there was not much romanticism about the North Korean rulers, but then the hardline Stalinists weren't as exciting to western leftists. There's evil, stupidity, and lunacy on all sides.

    US has done much bad but also much good. Sometimes, US did the most bad when trying to do good, sometimes the most good by doing what seemed bad at the time. The coup in Chile was pretty bad. Nasty business with Pinochet toppling Allende, but its long term effect was good for Chile that was saved from the fate of Cuba. Look at Venezuela today and see what a stupid kind of socialism can do to a nation.
    US support of Afghan 'freedom fighters' seemed good at the time against the Soviets who did invade to prop up the Kabul regime. But looking back, Afghanistan would have been better with Marxist rulers than by Muslim tribesmen.

    But looking into the future, the US will be the main evil force in the world. In WWI, it was European imperialists just killing each other. In WWII, the Nazis were so evil and Japanese militarists were so deranged that they had to be stopped, and so, even US alliance with brutal USSR made sense. In the Cold War, all said and done, US represented better ideas and values than USSR.

    But now, the US is really a sick demented decadent degenerate nation that spreads homomania and ugly rap culture and financial fraud as the New World Order. And its media are totally about lies and neo-imperialist propaganda.
    Back in the 60s, US power was still dominated by Wasp cold warriors and hawks, and Jewish liberals in media used their power to counter Anglo-American power. But now, Deep State and Pentagon are tools of globalist Zionism, and Jews in the state and Jews are media are joined at the hip, and this makes anti-war stance almost impossible even on the left. I mean the amount of lies about Russia, Iran, and Syria is truly mind-boggling.

    In the past, Christian missionaries were part of US cultural imperialism, but they still spread noble values and ideas about charity, sacrifice, compassion, and etc. So, they actually did a lot of good. But what does Homomania spread? Vanity, narcissism, decadence, degeneracy.
    And US pop culture used to be stuff like John Ford movies. Even Elvis had some values as a good southern boy. But what is US pop culture today? Nikki Minaj sticking her fat ass in front of a camera and 'twerking'. So, this is the kind of 'values' that US expends so much money and muscle to spread around the world?
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that?
     
    Nazi Germany killed many of my relatives--I do not hate Germany, in fact, and I am not gonna lie--my heart aches for Germans and what was and is being done to them since 1990s. From a number of American Vietnam Vets I personally knew and know (with some we had some real, and I mean real, adventures)--most are down to earth and decent people. Some burnt out (one worked under my "command"), others down right nice people who viewed that war as a tragedy--this is an important nuance. It is also very American moral conundrum but it is also very human one--it allows to forgive and, actually, endear. FYI, I was a proud participant of some big time drunk parties with Soviet Afghan War and Vietnam Vets--both in Russia and US. I even have photos to prove it. It is one of the most unique experiences in my life--some people wouldn't even believe it. Yeah, it is all in the past.
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  30. aandrews says:

    Interesting essay, per usual. Enjoyed it.

    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein “an anonymous Oscar voter” remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk: “I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it.”

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    I knew about the Dunkirk rescue, but I also didn't like the film. The film made it look as though 12 or so private boats from England rescued about 2,000 British soldiers. "Underwhelmed" is a good way of describing my reaction to "Dunkirk".
    , @Anon
    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein “an anonymous Oscar voter” remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk:

    It's too white and too understated. Too intelligent for most Hollywood voters.
    , @aandrews
    I thought it was bizarre that he didn't *know* about Dunkirk, the evacuation of the expeditionary force, a screwup on the German's part that cost them the war, or that it occurred in France. You know, it wasn't explained to the dope.
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  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    lolz, All theater to divide the zombies, aka the slaves. We get zero truth in the alternative MSM. Only zombies believe these stories or anything about any Government anywhere, which means To Control the Mind. A handful of families rules the world because the "smart" people love their slavery. This includes the Vietnamese.

    Howard Cosell was a famous celebrity slave. He once spoke about how proud he was of a people who survived all these thousands of years. I learned in the 1970s that the rich families permit the slaves to read only carefully approved writers and listen to vetted sportscasters because anything else is basically illegal.

    Daniel Chieh wrote:

    It won’t matter either way. As noted, the relationship [between Vietnam and China] is very similar to that of Mexico to the United States, including the weird hatemongering to a country they very much depend on for day to day living standard.

    You may be right, but I think my “brains impaired by Agent Orange” theory is more colorful.

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  32. anarchyst says:
    @Quartermaster
    Yeah. The US beat them on the ground, but gave it away at the negotiation table and Kennedy, McGovern, and Mansfield, betrayed the South Vietnamese in the halls of congress. The thousands who died to keep the north out, certainly wouldn't find it funny.

    The Vietnam war was not a “civil-war” but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political system they chose to live under. They wanted “the whole pie”.
    The South Vietnamese and American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968 “Tet offensive” was a “major loss” for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
    Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops.
    The Vietnamese “boat people” who risked life and limb to escape that communist “paradise” have a totally different story to tell, but which had been rarely reported…the so-called “anti-war protestors” were totally silent–no reaction from them on the plight of the “boat people”.
    Documentary writer communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently “let it slip” that “re-education” by the communists was not a “six month deal” (as he claimed) in which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be “re-educated”, but were actually prisons, in which “enemies of the (communist) state” were interned for as long as 20 years.
    It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.

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    re. boat people: their offspring are white hating Democrats.
    , @Biff
    Not communist at all, but rather nationalist.
    , @Simply Simon
    The facts as stated, are undeniable.
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  33. Jake says:

    “When you can’t beat a small nation of dark, scrawny men, you can still flex your overhyped muscles against, say, Grenada and Branch Davidians.”

    Now that is funny.

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  34. Jake says:

    “Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?”

    A most important question.

    I would suggest that readers add one key thing that Lihn Dihn forgot. In addition to being drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic, and ignorant of history, Americans also are driven by the prejudices and obsessions, the hubris, of WASP culture, which was born of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

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  35. @TT
    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, ...they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.

    Linh in US could access all informations like UNZ, yet he earnestly wish Vietnam to repeat same mistake like all shit holes countries Make by US.

    CIA Textbook: Have idiots help CIA use FB & medias to instigate Color Revolution, Regime change/Coup, Kick out China, Buy US weapons and welcome his terrorists, Fight war with neighbors, Live in chaos and wars forever happily, Courtesy from Uncle Scam.

    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: “Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!”

    We eventually kicked them out.

    And you’re making a similar mistake, although perhaps in a grander nicer way since the Chinese-led megaprojects are bigger… and so are the debts.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt. Meanwhile Ecuadorians, following the idiotic left the Chinese love to support abroad, were banned from fishing, consuming, and commercializing said sharks, not just in the Galapagos but everywhere. That same left regime had also kicked out an American base and had a border dispute with Colombia over them sending troops to chase a guerrilla in our borders; so it was expected to be just as patriotic with these Chinese fishing boats raping a national fragile ecosystem/huge tourist attraction for their own profit… right? Of course not, no one in the Ecuadorian public knew about the fleet until the Galapagos population revealed it. Thanks to situations like these, politically we became more moderate and are moving slightly but surely rightwards, since we are near a Greece situation at this point… so thanks, you might undo even the good things the past left regime did. That won’t mean your yuan and cheap manufacture are not welcome – but sure as hell will mean dollars and euros remain as important if not more (since China doesn’t take in as much Third World exports).

    There’s other examples of Chinese intervention in my country, some are good (built a nice huge dam in the Amazon jungle that lowered energy costs), but there’s enough bad ones that make the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding – while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome…

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    I fail to see how the lack of doctors in a country have anything at all to do with the construction of a building and provisioning of equipment delayed by local corruption. The problem of qualified personnel can only be remedied at a deeper level.
    , @TT

    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: “Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!”
     
    Lol. old die hard habits like trying to sell a wok to some senile retirees got to shout loudly.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt.
     
    That's a sad reality for Globalization. I would prefer living in simple life than having grand facilities under great debts. Ecuador got to repay debt in some way, sometimes not the best way like this case, uncontrolled fishing by greedy one.. But still better choice than war & chaos from US with no infrastructure.

    I believed it got to do more with your some corrupted politicians than China. They will sell the fishing rights to anyone can bribe them anyway. Myanmar corrupted gov sold its entire fishing rights to Thailand for $1B p. a. while prohibited its own people to fish.

    the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding – while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome…
     
    Ecuador gov will clamp down its corrupted problems many countries facing to acceptable level, when they realized there are more $ in prosperous country for them than sucking the old bones.. .Africa has many good results.

    Elect a good leader to fight corruption, corrupted China & Spore are good examples. Lacking qualified medical staff? Check out Cuba for surprise.
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  36. Hey look, another “Americans are stupid” column. Edgy.

    My people HAD to be made stupid, docile, and drugged in order for the invasion that included this ingrate and his family to succeed. People tried to resist the usurpation of their institutions by those outside the nation, Dinh. They faced the 101st Airborne. America was literally pacified by its own government to pave the way for you.

    Our government has favored the likes of you over us for decades now. It would be nice, JUST ONCE, if one of these carpetbagging foreigners said thank you rather than jumping on the crap-on-Americans bandwagon.

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  37. @Disordered
    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: "Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!"

    We eventually kicked them out.

    And you're making a similar mistake, although perhaps in a grander nicer way since the Chinese-led megaprojects are bigger... and so are the debts.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt. Meanwhile Ecuadorians, following the idiotic left the Chinese love to support abroad, were banned from fishing, consuming, and commercializing said sharks, not just in the Galapagos but everywhere. That same left regime had also kicked out an American base and had a border dispute with Colombia over them sending troops to chase a guerrilla in our borders; so it was expected to be just as patriotic with these Chinese fishing boats raping a national fragile ecosystem/huge tourist attraction for their own profit... right? Of course not, no one in the Ecuadorian public knew about the fleet until the Galapagos population revealed it. Thanks to situations like these, politically we became more moderate and are moving slightly but surely rightwards, since we are near a Greece situation at this point... so thanks, you might undo even the good things the past left regime did. That won't mean your yuan and cheap manufacture are not welcome - but sure as hell will mean dollars and euros remain as important if not more (since China doesn't take in as much Third World exports).

    There's other examples of Chinese intervention in my country, some are good (built a nice huge dam in the Amazon jungle that lowered energy costs), but there's enough bad ones that make the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding - while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome...

    I fail to see how the lack of doctors in a country have anything at all to do with the construction of a building and provisioning of equipment delayed by local corruption. The problem of qualified personnel can only be remedied at a deeper level.

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  38. @Daniel Chieh

    Do they think the Americans will raise them from poverty? I have news for you Dim Dinh, when the Americans can’t afford to fix their own bridges, they certainly can’t help the Vietnamese much.
     
    The issues lie not only in capability, but mostly in will.

    It won't matter either way. As noted, the relationship is very similar to that of Mexico to the United States, including the weird hatemongering to a country they very much depend on for day to day living standard.

    I’d argue really only in will, which probably developed through historical reasons.

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China’s Mexico (complete with offshoring of “jobs the Chinese won’t do”), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans, who are helped by having a relatively large country to themselves and an American unwillingness to take them over completely. Even if, at least according to the pro-Chinese commentators, China has been relatively less expansionist than the US – since the US is important in the world sphere, that is. Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they’ve had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed? Not to mention, the Han Chinese strength in numbers arose precisely because they were so backwardly agricultural before and for far longer than the US was (if anything, the decadent Confucian imperial bureaucracy kept the country culturally together, until the 19th century when the modernized foreign threat of Westerners and then Japan started the development of modern Chinese national consciousness). So it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison.

    Other than that, let’s not get into piss contests of who invaded more – big and small countries alike have had irredentist claims and wars forever. The US annexed Louisiana and California, Mexico nearly did the same to Belize and Guatemala (and was founded upon the remains of the Aztecs and others), Vietnam attempted to annex Laos and Cambodia, and China went into Tibet… and are still there.

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    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China’s Mexico (complete with offshoring of “jobs the Chinese won’t do”), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans...
     
    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being "reconquista'ed" to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I'm sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbg5A3UsAAMug0.jpg:large

    Also why in god's name would China now has any desire to expand its territory into Vietnam? China has enough intractable issues that will not be solved or even benefitted by more land or people.


    Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they’ve had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed?
     
    Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. The greatest extent of Chinese empire was during the Tang, which could indeed be said to consistently involve foreign conquest. Beyond that, the Chinese arguably mostly fought each other(consider how shrunken the Song dynasty was). It wouldn't be until the foreign Manchu rule of China that the Qing dynasty would expand the borders roughly to what it is now.

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/song/main/map_both.gif

    Its not out of some excess consideration of "peaceful" intentions; adventurism is just not very profitable most of the time - indeed, that was the contemporary reason why Zheng He did not have any successors. Even British colonization was mostly a loss venture, with the exception of India.

    From a practical level, its usually hard to justify invasion, occupation, etc - its all very expensive.

    , @Daniel Chieh

    The US annexed Louisiana
     
    This, by the way, is completely defensible: the US purchased Louisana from the French. No violence or duress was involved.

    https://i1.wp.com/www.educationviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/louisiana-purchase.jpg

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  39. @Disordered
    I'd argue really only in will, which probably developed through historical reasons.

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China's Mexico (complete with offshoring of "jobs the Chinese won't do"), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans, who are helped by having a relatively large country to themselves and an American unwillingness to take them over completely. Even if, at least according to the pro-Chinese commentators, China has been relatively less expansionist than the US - since the US is important in the world sphere, that is. Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they've had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed? Not to mention, the Han Chinese strength in numbers arose precisely because they were so backwardly agricultural before and for far longer than the US was (if anything, the decadent Confucian imperial bureaucracy kept the country culturally together, until the 19th century when the modernized foreign threat of Westerners and then Japan started the development of modern Chinese national consciousness). So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

    Other than that, let's not get into piss contests of who invaded more - big and small countries alike have had irredentist claims and wars forever. The US annexed Louisiana and California, Mexico nearly did the same to Belize and Guatemala (and was founded upon the remains of the Aztecs and others), Vietnam attempted to annex Laos and Cambodia, and China went into Tibet... and are still there.

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China’s Mexico (complete with offshoring of “jobs the Chinese won’t do”), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans…

    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being “reconquista’ed” to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I’m sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbg5A3UsAAMug0.jpg:large

    Also why in god’s name would China now has any desire to expand its territory into Vietnam? China has enough intractable issues that will not be solved or even benefitted by more land or people.

    Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they’ve had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed?

    Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. The greatest extent of Chinese empire was during the Tang, which could indeed be said to consistently involve foreign conquest. Beyond that, the Chinese arguably mostly fought each other(consider how shrunken the Song dynasty was). It wouldn’t be until the foreign Manchu rule of China that the Qing dynasty would expand the borders roughly to what it is now.

    Its not out of some excess consideration of “peaceful” intentions; adventurism is just not very profitable most of the time – indeed, that was the contemporary reason why Zheng He did not have any successors. Even British colonization was mostly a loss venture, with the exception of India.

    From a practical level, its usually hard to justify invasion, occupation, etc – its all very expensive.

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    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being “reconquista’ed” to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I’m sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.
     
    Well, given your background it's not surprising that you seem quite knowledgeable about issues having to do with China and that part of the world. However, since you live in Canada, it's unfortunate that on some other matters you seem to have fallen for all the silly nonsense or even outright hoaxes promoted by Breitbart and VDare.

    If you haven't already done so, you really should read some of my own articles on this subject, such as this one:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/
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  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump flew to China where he fixed Ivanka’s copyright and patent problems. He never got China to fix the North Korea problem. Instead, he spent untold billions sending fleets and jets to Korea to protect the super rich South Koreans and Japanese. Just what he promised he would not do.

    Still war in Afghanistan and totally ramped up. Same in Iraq and Syria. Trump said he would fix relations with Russia but instead it looks like a new Cold War to boost profits.

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  41. @Disordered
    I'd argue really only in will, which probably developed through historical reasons.

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China's Mexico (complete with offshoring of "jobs the Chinese won't do"), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans, who are helped by having a relatively large country to themselves and an American unwillingness to take them over completely. Even if, at least according to the pro-Chinese commentators, China has been relatively less expansionist than the US - since the US is important in the world sphere, that is. Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they've had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed? Not to mention, the Han Chinese strength in numbers arose precisely because they were so backwardly agricultural before and for far longer than the US was (if anything, the decadent Confucian imperial bureaucracy kept the country culturally together, until the 19th century when the modernized foreign threat of Westerners and then Japan started the development of modern Chinese national consciousness). So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

    Other than that, let's not get into piss contests of who invaded more - big and small countries alike have had irredentist claims and wars forever. The US annexed Louisiana and California, Mexico nearly did the same to Belize and Guatemala (and was founded upon the remains of the Aztecs and others), Vietnam attempted to annex Laos and Cambodia, and China went into Tibet... and are still there.

    The US annexed Louisiana

    This, by the way, is completely defensible: the US purchased Louisana from the French. No violence or duress was involved.

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    True enough.. but supposed the French hadn't sold it. I think US would have found some excuse to just take it. Anglos took Canada from the French.

    And later Anglos took SW from Mexico.
    , @Joe Wong
    So you believe "the words from the West must be taken as given truth," even their bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation must be taken as humanitarian intervention? No wonder the White claimed the Americas as Terra Nullius, it was the gift from their God, the natives are savages, they are non legal entities, there was no crime committing genoide against them with whatever means see fit.
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  42. Currahee says:
    @anarchyst
    The Vietnam war was not a "civil-war" but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political system they chose to live under. They wanted "the whole pie".
    The South Vietnamese and American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968 "Tet offensive" was a "major loss" for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
    Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops.
    The Vietnamese "boat people" who risked life and limb to escape that communist "paradise" have a totally different story to tell, but which had been rarely reported...the so-called "anti-war protestors" were totally silent--no reaction from them on the plight of the "boat people".
    Documentary writer communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently "let it slip" that "re-education" by the communists was not a "six month deal" (as he claimed) in which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be "re-educated", but were actually prisons, in which "enemies of the (communist) state" were interned for as long as 20 years.
    It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.

    re. boat people: their offspring are white hating Democrats.

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  43. Wally says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    More to the point “With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections, and each foreign country is represented, at most, by a caricature or two, so Germany is Hitler and Merkel..." a case where Linh Dinh's proposed stereotype is not so far off the mark -

    Except that for Merkel’s Germany & the fake ’6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible, they could not have happened as alleged.
    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars demand censorship.
    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

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    Anyone else tired of having to page thru Wally’s invariably off topic Holocaust posts?
    , @Ronald Thomas West
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWRH4P1HDcA
    , @republic
    Truth telling is never off topic.That video is about 1 hour and 20 minutes long.Millions of people have visited that camp and have been told lies. That video and book, ( banned by Amazon) is worth viewing and reading. One reason why LD is now living in Vietnam instead of in Philadelphia is because of his brave truth telling,which got him banned from academic posts in the US.
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  44. Clyde says:
    @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

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  45. Ron Unz says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Because, while Vietnam may seem like China’s Mexico (complete with offshoring of “jobs the Chinese won’t do”), it has survived and withstood many more invasions from their Big Brother Neighbor (and other colonizing powers) than the Mexicans...
     
    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being "reconquista'ed" to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I'm sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbg5A3UsAAMug0.jpg:large

    Also why in god's name would China now has any desire to expand its territory into Vietnam? China has enough intractable issues that will not be solved or even benefitted by more land or people.


    Did it occur to them that the Han Chinese have naturally MUCH more Lebensraum, and that they’ve had wars within and with neighbors and foreign powers for MANY more centuries than the US has existed?
     
    Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. The greatest extent of Chinese empire was during the Tang, which could indeed be said to consistently involve foreign conquest. Beyond that, the Chinese arguably mostly fought each other(consider how shrunken the Song dynasty was). It wouldn't be until the foreign Manchu rule of China that the Qing dynasty would expand the borders roughly to what it is now.

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/song/main/map_both.gif

    Its not out of some excess consideration of "peaceful" intentions; adventurism is just not very profitable most of the time - indeed, that was the contemporary reason why Zheng He did not have any successors. Even British colonization was mostly a loss venture, with the exception of India.

    From a practical level, its usually hard to justify invasion, occupation, etc - its all very expensive.

    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being “reconquista’ed” to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I’m sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.

    Well, given your background it’s not surprising that you seem quite knowledgeable about issues having to do with China and that part of the world. However, since you live in Canada, it’s unfortunate that on some other matters you seem to have fallen for all the silly nonsense or even outright hoaxes promoted by Breitbart and VDare.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read some of my own articles on this subject, such as this one:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

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    I do not live in Canada and I can speak/read Spanish(suffice to say that my maternal household includes Taiwanese ambassadors to South America), so I'm actually reasonably familiar with at least some aspects of the Mexican diaspora. Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

    Its not exactly an "organized" movement, but its certainly a popular meme in the Mexican illegal population. Its understandable in a way - if someone calls you illegal and you primarily want a better life for your family, then a strong moral defense is that "this was our land anyway." To draw a quote from Wikipedia:

    In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:

    "We're the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that's their problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest."
     

    And later:

    We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.
     

    It is correct that any serious effort to "reunify" things politically is fringe and Dr. Gutierrez backtracked, correctly. However, from an emotional standpoint of morally justifying illegal immigration, it is not an uncommon argument and in its own way, strongly patriotic and unifying against the notion of an external, aggressive people who in their perspective could be seen as having evicted them(for slavery expansion, even!) and now seek to demonize them.
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  46. RJJCDA says:

    “…how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?”

    They won’t have to because “the storm” will be directed against the Globalists. See: Take-down of “deep state” unfolding in America, and soon to extend internationally. Trump has set them up with rope-a-dope strategies, and within weeks the hammer will come down. See: Qanon posts.

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    Complete rubbish. Taiwan and Manchuria are among the latest areas to have been colonised by Han Chinese.

    Most of the expansions Dinh describes in the article were by the Qing Dynasty Manchus. Manchuria became part of the Chinese Empire during the Qing Dynasty because the Qing were Manchus.

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    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia. Godfree, the Maoist fanatic, says that Chinese have never colonized anyone.

    That is so far from true it is beyond silly. Once or twice as a geologist, I have met people who seriously believe the world is 5,000 years old. They are impervious to reason.

    Godfree exhibits the same mindset.
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  48. @Ron Unz

    Because Annam is not a thing and the US southwest is not effectively being “reconquista’ed” to survive the purpose of Mexicans. I’m sure all of the illegal aliens now in California waving the Mexican flag while living off American wages and having their family members(if not even themselves) vote against the interests of fellow American citizens believe that they are doing it for a good, patriotic and honorable purpose too.
     
    Well, given your background it's not surprising that you seem quite knowledgeable about issues having to do with China and that part of the world. However, since you live in Canada, it's unfortunate that on some other matters you seem to have fallen for all the silly nonsense or even outright hoaxes promoted by Breitbart and VDare.

    If you haven't already done so, you really should read some of my own articles on this subject, such as this one:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    I do not live in Canada and I can speak/read Spanish(suffice to say that my maternal household includes Taiwanese ambassadors to South America), so I’m actually reasonably familiar with at least some aspects of the Mexican diaspora. Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

    Its not exactly an “organized” movement, but its certainly a popular meme in the Mexican illegal population. Its understandable in a way – if someone calls you illegal and you primarily want a better life for your family, then a strong moral defense is that “this was our land anyway.” To draw a quote from Wikipedia:

    In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:

    “We’re the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn’t migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that’s their problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest.”

    And later:

    We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It’s a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.

    It is correct that any serious effort to “reunify” things politically is fringe and Dr. Gutierrez backtracked, correctly. However, from an emotional standpoint of morally justifying illegal immigration, it is not an uncommon argument and in its own way, strongly patriotic and unifying against the notion of an external, aggressive people who in their perspective could be seen as having evicted them(for slavery expansion, even!) and now seek to demonize them.

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    I do not live in Canada...
     
    My apologies. I think you'd mentioned that your wife was French-Canadian, and I'd somehow gotten the impression you lived in that country.

    Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:...In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:
     
    C'mon. Everyone sensible knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless as a source of information on anything even somewhat controversial.

    Basically, the entry seems to contain a few provocative quotes over the last 20 years from totally obscure professors of Chicano Studies or that sort of thing. I'm sure you can find 20x as many quotes by much more important people saying "Gender Does Not Exist," another difference being that this latter movement has 100x the political power and public influence.

    Whether in day-to-day reality or in media visibility, the so-called "Reconquista" Movement is so microscopically small (in 40% Hispanic California) that it roughly ranks with UFO worshippers.
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  49. @22pp22
    Complete rubbish. Taiwan and Manchuria are among the latest areas to have been colonised by Han Chinese.

    Manchu must find that amusing. As to ‘colonizing’ Taiwan, neither the concept nor the intention existed at the time Taiwan fell under Chinese sway.

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    Do you get paid by the Chinese government to write what you do are are you just another incarnation of Joseph Needham.
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  50. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Except that for Merkel's Germany & the fake '6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible, they could not have happened as alleged.
    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars demand censorship.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/HH-July2017-30secs+DonationPitch.mp4
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    Anyone else tired of having to page thru Wally’s invariably off topic Holocaust posts?

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    I remember once setting out why I thought the political system in Turkey is fascist. Wally dismissed it in one line, clearly without any actual knowledge of Turkey, but at least he managed to avoid his block-copied Holocaust denial rant.
    I do think this website should at least moderate for comments staying on topic, so you don't have people inserting Holocaust denial, muesli advocacy or whatever their particular obsession is into a discussion absolutely unrelated to those topics.
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  51. njguy73 says:

    Japan is no-name-comes-to-mind,

    Hello Kitty. That’s who comes to American’s minds when it comes to Japan.

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    Hi njguy73,

    Below is a clue as to who comes to Goldman Sachs Group when it comes to investment in China.

    https://news.efinancialcareers.com/hk-en/300293/yali-zhu-yunfeng-financial

    Kosher-Joker Jack Ma and Operation Alibaba.

    Thanks!
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  52. @njguy73

    Japan is no-name-comes-to-mind,
     
    Hello Kitty. That's who comes to American's minds when it comes to Japan.

    Hi njguy73,

    Below is a clue as to who comes to Goldman Sachs Group when it comes to investment in China.

    https://news.efinancialcareers.com/hk-en/300293/yali-zhu-yunfeng-financial

    Kosher-Joker Jack Ma and Operation Alibaba.

    Thanks!

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  53. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    The US annexed Louisiana
     
    This, by the way, is completely defensible: the US purchased Louisana from the French. No violence or duress was involved.

    https://i1.wp.com/www.educationviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/louisiana-purchase.jpg

    True enough.. but supposed the French hadn’t sold it. I think US would have found some excuse to just take it. Anglos took Canada from the French.

    And later Anglos took SW from Mexico.

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  54. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides...."

    Really? How "many Americans" did Linh Dinh interview in order to draw this condescending conclusion? Can we get a break from the preaching of this twerp?

    If you don’t like it, don’t read it. That’s as much of a break as you need.

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  55. @aandrews
    Interesting essay, per usual. Enjoyed it.

    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein "an anonymous Oscar voter" remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk: "I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it."

    I knew about the Dunkirk rescue, but I also didn’t like the film. The film made it look as though 12 or so private boats from England rescued about 2,000 British soldiers. “Underwhelmed” is a good way of describing my reaction to “Dunkirk”.

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  56. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, …they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.
     
    When Dim Dinh grows older and maybe learns some wisdom, he may acknowledge how much of a mistake it was to allow himself to be brainwashed by empty U.S. fairy tales.

    What does he want the U.S. to do? Kill a few million more Vietnamese? Maybe that will cut the Vietnamese population enough to suit him.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

    ??? I think Dinh is very critical of US role in Vietnam and the world. He’s also critical of US cultural influence.
    BUT, unlike Godfree Roberts whose fantasies about Asia are expounded from afar, Dinh knows the reality up close. So, even as he is critical of US role in Vietnam, he is also aware of the ruthlessness and repressiveness of the communists. Also, there was a lot of terror AFTER the US left Vietnam. Many Viet Cong fighters in the South were sent to the labor camps by North Vietnamese rulers. Also, communist economics kept Vietnam isolated and poor for very long.
    And in Cambodia, the real horror happened AFTER the US left. And Mao’s madness cannot be blamed on the US. And look at the shi* regime in North Korea.

    So, history is not cops and robbers, heroes and villains. Americans who see America always as the Good Guy are deluded. But then, so are people who romanticized the Third World radicals and Marxists. Che was really a pathological nut. Mao was a monster, and Pol Pot was a psychopath. Thankfully, there was not much romanticism about the North Korean rulers, but then the hardline Stalinists weren’t as exciting to western leftists. There’s evil, stupidity, and lunacy on all sides.

    US has done much bad but also much good. Sometimes, US did the most bad when trying to do good, sometimes the most good by doing what seemed bad at the time. The coup in Chile was pretty bad. Nasty business with Pinochet toppling Allende, but its long term effect was good for Chile that was saved from the fate of Cuba. Look at Venezuela today and see what a stupid kind of socialism can do to a nation.
    US support of Afghan ‘freedom fighters’ seemed good at the time against the Soviets who did invade to prop up the Kabul regime. But looking back, Afghanistan would have been better with Marxist rulers than by Muslim tribesmen.

    But looking into the future, the US will be the main evil force in the world. In WWI, it was European imperialists just killing each other. In WWII, the Nazis were so evil and Japanese militarists were so deranged that they had to be stopped, and so, even US alliance with brutal USSR made sense. In the Cold War, all said and done, US represented better ideas and values than USSR.

    But now, the US is really a sick demented decadent degenerate nation that spreads homomania and ugly rap culture and financial fraud as the New World Order. And its media are totally about lies and neo-imperialist propaganda.
    Back in the 60s, US power was still dominated by Wasp cold warriors and hawks, and Jewish liberals in media used their power to counter Anglo-American power. But now, Deep State and Pentagon are tools of globalist Zionism, and Jews in the state and Jews are media are joined at the hip, and this makes anti-war stance almost impossible even on the left. I mean the amount of lies about Russia, Iran, and Syria is truly mind-boggling.

    In the past, Christian missionaries were part of US cultural imperialism, but they still spread noble values and ideas about charity, sacrifice, compassion, and etc. So, they actually did a lot of good. But what does Homomania spread? Vanity, narcissism, decadence, degeneracy.
    And US pop culture used to be stuff like John Ford movies. Even Elvis had some values as a good southern boy. But what is US pop culture today? Nikki Minaj sticking her fat ass in front of a camera and ‘twerking’. So, this is the kind of ‘values’ that US expends so much money and muscle to spread around the world?

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    Linh Dinh is a specimen of mentally colonized wannabe who is so deep in the wannabe he does not even know he is one.

    The Empire of Chaos (USA) and its Five Eyes cousins lie, they lie about the present, about the past, even about the future. They lie day and night, relentlessly. their founding dogmas are based on deception, their history on false pathos and insincere heroism.

    The Europeans including their offshoots is where is now, still filthy rich (although always complaining), because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized. This is the real history, not the one you have learnt and believe, which was manufactured by the perpetrators to white wash the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war crimes they have been committing since the Columbus time.

    Without the Europeans and the Five Eyes, their discoveries or inventions will be discovered and invented by somebody else but without the toxic racism, wars, hypocrisy, exploitation on the moral high ground come with it. Other people has been discovering and inventing in thousands of years while the Europeans were in the medieval dark-age obsessed with their retarded, regressive and barbaric cult practices and dominance. Without the Europeans particular their offshoot the American humanity will not have gone through two world wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.
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  57. Biff says:
    @anarchyst
    The Vietnam war was not a "civil-war" but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political system they chose to live under. They wanted "the whole pie".
    The South Vietnamese and American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968 "Tet offensive" was a "major loss" for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
    Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops.
    The Vietnamese "boat people" who risked life and limb to escape that communist "paradise" have a totally different story to tell, but which had been rarely reported...the so-called "anti-war protestors" were totally silent--no reaction from them on the plight of the "boat people".
    Documentary writer communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently "let it slip" that "re-education" by the communists was not a "six month deal" (as he claimed) in which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be "re-educated", but were actually prisons, in which "enemies of the (communist) state" were interned for as long as 20 years.
    It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.

    Not communist at all, but rather nationalist.

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  58. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @aandrews
    Interesting essay, per usual. Enjoyed it.

    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein "an anonymous Oscar voter" remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk: "I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it."

    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein “an anonymous Oscar voter” remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk:

    It’s too white and too understated. Too intelligent for most Hollywood voters.

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  59. Ron Unz says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I do not live in Canada and I can speak/read Spanish(suffice to say that my maternal household includes Taiwanese ambassadors to South America), so I'm actually reasonably familiar with at least some aspects of the Mexican diaspora. Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

    Its not exactly an "organized" movement, but its certainly a popular meme in the Mexican illegal population. Its understandable in a way - if someone calls you illegal and you primarily want a better life for your family, then a strong moral defense is that "this was our land anyway." To draw a quote from Wikipedia:

    In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:

    "We're the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that's their problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest."
     

    And later:

    We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.
     

    It is correct that any serious effort to "reunify" things politically is fringe and Dr. Gutierrez backtracked, correctly. However, from an emotional standpoint of morally justifying illegal immigration, it is not an uncommon argument and in its own way, strongly patriotic and unifying against the notion of an external, aggressive people who in their perspective could be seen as having evicted them(for slavery expansion, even!) and now seek to demonize them.

    I do not live in Canada…

    My apologies. I think you’d mentioned that your wife was French-Canadian, and I’d somehow gotten the impression you lived in that country.

    Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:…In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:

    C’mon. Everyone sensible knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless as a source of information on anything even somewhat controversial.

    Basically, the entry seems to contain a few provocative quotes over the last 20 years from totally obscure professors of Chicano Studies or that sort of thing. I’m sure you can find 20x as many quotes by much more important people saying “Gender Does Not Exist,” another difference being that this latter movement has 100x the political power and public influence.

    Whether in day-to-day reality or in media visibility, the so-called “Reconquista” Movement is so microscopically small (in 40% Hispanic California) that it roughly ranks with UFO worshippers.

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    So what do you purpose is the moral justification that illegal immigrants use? Because in my experience, that is not uncommon since it allows them to setup an unprincipled exception that allows them open borders, while potentially preventing the notion of open borders from others. And even a casual perusal of anti-Trump protests show the prevalence of the Mexican flag among protestors:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWdW5FyszoA&t=0m22s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iy_f8MGxM&t=0m5s

    That looks like a heck of a lot more people than UFO adherents, at least these days. Remember, I never said that they expected a specific political aim of unification, but rather the symbols exist which serve as a moral justification for continued illegal immigration.
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  60. denk says:

    China is trying to become a blue-water power, and it has established a military base in Djibouti. Last week, newspapers around the world reported that China may be testing an unprecedented electromagnetic gun, mounted on a warship, that can fire missiles a hundred miles at seven times the speed of sound.

    This is classic washington agitprop, pentagoons would be pleased !

    Mattis

    China is an existential threat, gimme more monies , we need more super subs, more carrier battle groups, more nukes. Shssssh, The Lockheed Martin guy just call me ,their missiles godown is bursting at the seams , they need to clear some stock pronto !

    Sick of having to refute such canard over and over again, I’ve actually saved some templates for exactly such an occasion…

    ‘ “Since no nation threatens China, one must wonder; Why this growing investment? Why these continuing large and expanding arms purchases? Why these continuing robust deployments?”

    Thus spake the yet to be tried war criminal Donald Rumsfeld. But when one looks closely at the situation one is struck by the fact China is surrounded on all sides by threatening, or possibly threatening nations, not least of which is the U.S.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2005/06/06/rumsfeld-china-and-hypocrisy/

    [That was 2005, now we have Russia/China vs the Nato]

    When the likes of Rumsfeld., Mattis, peddle the yellow peril , they’r just doing their job, to dumb down the murkkans.
    When Linh parrots such pentagoonish talk, does he realise that he’s one of the dumbed down yanks he laments about ?

    I had expected better from Linh,’ he’s prolly clouded by VN’S experience with
    China, but thats thousands of years back forchrissake !
    In contemporary history, USA inflicts immeasurably more damage to VN than all China did in the imperial past, a thousand fold perhaps, 3M Vn wiped out, in the 21C to boot, when human beings are supposedly civilised !!

    Come to think of it,
    Who helped VN to drive out the French and the murkkans anyway ??

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  61. TT says:
    @Disordered
    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: "Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!"

    We eventually kicked them out.

    And you're making a similar mistake, although perhaps in a grander nicer way since the Chinese-led megaprojects are bigger... and so are the debts.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt. Meanwhile Ecuadorians, following the idiotic left the Chinese love to support abroad, were banned from fishing, consuming, and commercializing said sharks, not just in the Galapagos but everywhere. That same left regime had also kicked out an American base and had a border dispute with Colombia over them sending troops to chase a guerrilla in our borders; so it was expected to be just as patriotic with these Chinese fishing boats raping a national fragile ecosystem/huge tourist attraction for their own profit... right? Of course not, no one in the Ecuadorian public knew about the fleet until the Galapagos population revealed it. Thanks to situations like these, politically we became more moderate and are moving slightly but surely rightwards, since we are near a Greece situation at this point... so thanks, you might undo even the good things the past left regime did. That won't mean your yuan and cheap manufacture are not welcome - but sure as hell will mean dollars and euros remain as important if not more (since China doesn't take in as much Third World exports).

    There's other examples of Chinese intervention in my country, some are good (built a nice huge dam in the Amazon jungle that lowered energy costs), but there's enough bad ones that make the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding - while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome...

    You sound just like an early 20th century American capitalist running around Latin America or Asia or Africa, and telling the local Supreme Leader: “Screw those Brits saddling you with so much debt, we will fund your railroads, dams, and power projects, and do it better and cheaper. Just sign the dotted line!”

    Lol. old die hard habits like trying to sell a wok to some senile retirees got to shout loudly.

    Which would explain why China is already pulling repo-man moves, like having a large commercial fleet scour a sanctuary of nature such as the Galapagos Islands for shark fins due to Ecuador having enormous amounts of Chinese debt.

    That’s a sad reality for Globalization. I would prefer living in simple life than having grand facilities under great debts. Ecuador got to repay debt in some way, sometimes not the best way like this case, uncontrolled fishing by greedy one.. But still better choice than war & chaos from US with no infrastructure.

    I believed it got to do more with your some corrupted politicians than China. They will sell the fishing rights to anyone can bribe them anyway. Myanmar corrupted gov sold its entire fishing rights to Thailand for $1B p. a. while prohibited its own people to fish.

    the humongous debt and growth of bureaucrat-contractor crooks not worth it (just in my town, a 500-bed hospital that is almost but not yet finished after a decade of work and delays and increased funding – while still lacking the qualified personnel to staff it). Conclusion: think twice before playing Rome…

    Ecuador gov will clamp down its corrupted problems many countries facing to acceptable level, when they realized there are more $ in prosperous country for them than sucking the old bones.. .Africa has many good results.

    Elect a good leader to fight corruption, corrupted China & Spore are good examples. Lacking qualified medical staff? Check out Cuba for surprise.

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  62. @Ron Unz

    I do not live in Canada...
     
    My apologies. I think you'd mentioned that your wife was French-Canadian, and I'd somehow gotten the impression you lived in that country.

    Indeed, its easy enough to link to even neutral(or left, depending on how you see Wikia) sources for this:...In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:
     
    C'mon. Everyone sensible knows that Wikipedia is totally worthless as a source of information on anything even somewhat controversial.

    Basically, the entry seems to contain a few provocative quotes over the last 20 years from totally obscure professors of Chicano Studies or that sort of thing. I'm sure you can find 20x as many quotes by much more important people saying "Gender Does Not Exist," another difference being that this latter movement has 100x the political power and public influence.

    Whether in day-to-day reality or in media visibility, the so-called "Reconquista" Movement is so microscopically small (in 40% Hispanic California) that it roughly ranks with UFO worshippers.

    So what do you purpose is the moral justification that illegal immigrants use? Because in my experience, that is not uncommon since it allows them to setup an unprincipled exception that allows them open borders, while potentially preventing the notion of open borders from others. And even a casual perusal of anti-Trump protests show the prevalence of the Mexican flag among protestors:

    That looks like a heck of a lot more people than UFO adherents, at least these days. Remember, I never said that they expected a specific political aim of unification, but rather the symbols exist which serve as a moral justification for continued illegal immigration.

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    Vdare published this article a few days ago.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/memo-from-middle-america-forget-supposed-russian-meddling-why-is-flagrant-mexican-meddling-ignored-by-our-political-class

    Memo From Middle America: Forget Supposed Russian Meddling—Why Is Flagrant Mexican Meddling Ignored By Our Political Class?
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  63. @22pp22
    Complete rubbish. Taiwan and Manchuria are among the latest areas to have been colonised by Han Chinese.

    When the corrupt Chiang retreated to Taiwan, his security forces murdered 10,000 Taiwanese who resisted his invasion and takeover.

    ” During World War II, the United States emerged as a major actor in Chinese affairs. As an ally it embarked in late 1941 on a program of massive military and financial aid to the hard-pressed Nationalist government. In January 1943 the United States and Britain led the way in revising their treaties with China, bringing to an end a century of unequal treaty relations. Within a few months, a new agreement was signed between the United States and China for the stationing of American troops in China for the common war effort against Japan. In December 1943 the Chinese exclusion acts of the 1880s and subsequent laws enacted by the United States Congress to restrict Chinese immigration into the United States were repealed. [Ibid]”

    ” More than $3 billion was appropriated by Washington to China during World War II. Most of the money was transmitted through accounts controlled by Madame Chiang Kai-shek’s brother, then the foreign minister of China. U.S. President Harry Truman later wrote: “They’re thieves, every damn one of them. They stole $750 million out of the billions we sent to Chiang. They stole it, and it’s invested in real estate down in Sao Paulo and some right here in New York.”

    ” During the war American diplomats found military supplies sent by the United States to China being sold on the black market. During the famine in 1946, the Kuomintang took food donated from United Nations famine relief and sold it on the black market.” factsanddetails/ Taiwan

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    Your comment is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

    I was talking about the Chinese colonization of Taiwan beginning in the seventeenth century. Prior to that time, the island was inhabitant by people who spoke a variety of Malayo-Polynesian languages. Now they make up one percent of the population.
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  64. Joe Wong says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Hi Linh,

    You state:

    "In article after article about the Tet Offensive ... sacrifice is repeatedly stressed, as in one must be willing to die for ones ideals, nation....."

    This brings to mind Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's exhortation to his troops in the Battle of Gallipoli:

    "Men, I am not ordering you to attack, I am ordering you to die."

    Linh Dinh, “A community can’t survive without a collective memory,” also it is a tragedy to have a collective memory fabricated for the community by aliens from the West for the purpose to turn the community into a willing cannon fodder to be slaughtered for their interests.

    Mind you, it is not a hypothesis; Vietnam has been slaughtered by the aliens from the West more than once to serve their interests.

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  65. Joe Wong says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    The US annexed Louisiana
     
    This, by the way, is completely defensible: the US purchased Louisana from the French. No violence or duress was involved.

    https://i1.wp.com/www.educationviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/louisiana-purchase.jpg

    So you believe “the words from the West must be taken as given truth,” even their bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation must be taken as humanitarian intervention? No wonder the White claimed the Americas as Terra Nullius, it was the gift from their God, the natives are savages, they are non legal entities, there was no crime committing genoide against them with whatever means see fit.

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    The natives certainly weren't doing anything interesting with the land.
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  66. @Joe Wong
    So you believe "the words from the West must be taken as given truth," even their bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation must be taken as humanitarian intervention? No wonder the White claimed the Americas as Terra Nullius, it was the gift from their God, the natives are savages, they are non legal entities, there was no crime committing genoide against them with whatever means see fit.

    The natives certainly weren’t doing anything interesting with the land.

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    Preserving the pristine nature for the survival of human beings is doing nothing for the humanity? While polluting and destroying environment as well as breeding a bunch of psychopathic war mongers waging reckless wars, wrecking havoc around the world and producing weapons that threatens the survival of human species is doing something interesting with the land? You seem have trouble figuring out what is right and what is wrong like the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’.
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  67. Joe Wong says:
    @Anon
    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

    ??? I think Dinh is very critical of US role in Vietnam and the world. He's also critical of US cultural influence.
    BUT, unlike Godfree Roberts whose fantasies about Asia are expounded from afar, Dinh knows the reality up close. So, even as he is critical of US role in Vietnam, he is also aware of the ruthlessness and repressiveness of the communists. Also, there was a lot of terror AFTER the US left Vietnam. Many Viet Cong fighters in the South were sent to the labor camps by North Vietnamese rulers. Also, communist economics kept Vietnam isolated and poor for very long.
    And in Cambodia, the real horror happened AFTER the US left. And Mao's madness cannot be blamed on the US. And look at the shi* regime in North Korea.

    So, history is not cops and robbers, heroes and villains. Americans who see America always as the Good Guy are deluded. But then, so are people who romanticized the Third World radicals and Marxists. Che was really a pathological nut. Mao was a monster, and Pol Pot was a psychopath. Thankfully, there was not much romanticism about the North Korean rulers, but then the hardline Stalinists weren't as exciting to western leftists. There's evil, stupidity, and lunacy on all sides.

    US has done much bad but also much good. Sometimes, US did the most bad when trying to do good, sometimes the most good by doing what seemed bad at the time. The coup in Chile was pretty bad. Nasty business with Pinochet toppling Allende, but its long term effect was good for Chile that was saved from the fate of Cuba. Look at Venezuela today and see what a stupid kind of socialism can do to a nation.
    US support of Afghan 'freedom fighters' seemed good at the time against the Soviets who did invade to prop up the Kabul regime. But looking back, Afghanistan would have been better with Marxist rulers than by Muslim tribesmen.

    But looking into the future, the US will be the main evil force in the world. In WWI, it was European imperialists just killing each other. In WWII, the Nazis were so evil and Japanese militarists were so deranged that they had to be stopped, and so, even US alliance with brutal USSR made sense. In the Cold War, all said and done, US represented better ideas and values than USSR.

    But now, the US is really a sick demented decadent degenerate nation that spreads homomania and ugly rap culture and financial fraud as the New World Order. And its media are totally about lies and neo-imperialist propaganda.
    Back in the 60s, US power was still dominated by Wasp cold warriors and hawks, and Jewish liberals in media used their power to counter Anglo-American power. But now, Deep State and Pentagon are tools of globalist Zionism, and Jews in the state and Jews are media are joined at the hip, and this makes anti-war stance almost impossible even on the left. I mean the amount of lies about Russia, Iran, and Syria is truly mind-boggling.

    In the past, Christian missionaries were part of US cultural imperialism, but they still spread noble values and ideas about charity, sacrifice, compassion, and etc. So, they actually did a lot of good. But what does Homomania spread? Vanity, narcissism, decadence, degeneracy.
    And US pop culture used to be stuff like John Ford movies. Even Elvis had some values as a good southern boy. But what is US pop culture today? Nikki Minaj sticking her fat ass in front of a camera and 'twerking'. So, this is the kind of 'values' that US expends so much money and muscle to spread around the world?

    Linh Dinh is a specimen of mentally colonized wannabe who is so deep in the wannabe he does not even know he is one.

    The Empire of Chaos (USA) and its Five Eyes cousins lie, they lie about the present, about the past, even about the future. They lie day and night, relentlessly. their founding dogmas are based on deception, their history on false pathos and insincere heroism.

    The Europeans including their offshoots is where is now, still filthy rich (although always complaining), because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized. This is the real history, not the one you have learnt and believe, which was manufactured by the perpetrators to white wash the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war crimes they have been committing since the Columbus time.

    Without the Europeans and the Five Eyes, their discoveries or inventions will be discovered and invented by somebody else but without the toxic racism, wars, hypocrisy, exploitation on the moral high ground come with it. Other people has been discovering and inventing in thousands of years while the Europeans were in the medieval dark-age obsessed with their retarded, regressive and barbaric cult practices and dominance. Without the Europeans particular their offshoot the American humanity will not have gone through two world wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

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    Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    You're either a troll, or Andre Vltchek's sockpuppet.
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  68. Bliss says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    China was racked by rebellions then defeated and gang-raped by Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Germany, Italy and Austro-Hungary,

    If you're going to use the "gang-rape" analogy than Austria-Hungary was more like the chubby guy in the corner masturbating and trying to cop the occasional feel while the other guys went about their business.

    That cracked me up. Over and over again. Thanks for the laughs.

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  69. utu says:

    In peace, Vietnamese display few civic virtues, with traffic accident victims often robbed

    I am sure this happens in the US. I have heard that police and ambulance crews sometimes rob injured victims. An we know what happens during the breakdown of order when people start rioting and looting. But is it common? How much worse is it in Vietnam?

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    Hi utu,

    There are many news stories of traffic accident victims being robbed of their cellphones, handbags or wallets, but one must remember that most Vietnamese streets are jam packed, with hundreds if not thousands of people around, meaning the small minority that are opportunistically criminal are also nearby. Plus, since nearly everyone is on a motorbike, their valuables are a lot easier to get to.

    Also very alarming are news stories of doctors and nurses being physically attacked by enraged relatives of patients.


    Linh
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  70. @Wally
    Except that for Merkel's Germany & the fake '6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible, they could not have happened as alleged.
    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars demand censorship.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/HH-July2017-30secs+DonationPitch.mp4
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

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  71. about the american public being stupid.

    how many of you guys have read Edward Bernays? his book “Propaganda” was written in 1928. his next book was renamed “Public relations,” was written in 1945.

    information control started as early as 1928, probably perfected by 1945. 70+ years of information control :/ the american public(not everyone of course) is not stupid, just lacks access to information.

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    Not all the hopes are lost, a lot of people are trying to provide honest information to the American and other victims of Edward Bernays' "propaganda" and "Public Relations" despite they are being labelled, called commie, harassed, etc. The battle against Edward Bernays' "propaganda" and "Public Relations" must fight on for the decency of humanity's sake despite the road is long and hard.
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  72. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @utu

    In peace, Vietnamese display few civic virtues, with traffic accident victims often robbed
     
    I am sure this happens in the US. I have heard that police and ambulance crews sometimes rob injured victims. An we know what happens during the breakdown of order when people start rioting and looting. But is it common? How much worse is it in Vietnam?

    Hi utu,

    There are many news stories of traffic accident victims being robbed of their cellphones, handbags or wallets, but one must remember that most Vietnamese streets are jam packed, with hundreds if not thousands of people around, meaning the small minority that are opportunistically criminal are also nearby. Plus, since nearly everyone is on a motorbike, their valuables are a lot easier to get to.

    Also very alarming are news stories of doctors and nurses being physically attacked by enraged relatives of patients.

    Linh

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    Linh, The current independent Vietnam is an anomaly in Vietnamese history, even that Vietnamese independence from the French, Japanese and American is made possible by Chinese sacrifices and material support, don’t be ungrateful like morally defunct unrepentant war criminal Japanese or the greedy Gweilo.

    More than a thousand years Vietnam was part of China, and rest of the time it was a vassal state of China, its kings needed to be canonized by the Chinese court to be legitimate. The battles fought in Vietnam were no different from other battles fought in the civil wars in the Chinese history. Treating those battles with some kind of freedom aspiration is a pure fabrication by the Westerners to undermine the historical links between China and Vietnam, so that they can rule and colonize Vietnamese forever without resistance, you are a specimen proving their plot successful. Besides Chinese gave Vietnamese autonomy, while the French, Japanese and American treated Vietnamese as subhuman beings and ruled Vietnam as colony with barbaric iron fists.

    The animosity and hatred between the South Vietnamese and their northern kin since the end of WWII make your claim “but when collectively threatened, they can show a striking unity and resolve” simply a fabrication through the thin air and a denial of reality. In those ancient battles many Vietnamese fought on the other side of your so called Vietnamese heroes. Even recently at least half of the Vietnamese fought on the French, Japanese and American side against their compatriots who wanted an independent Vietnam.

    “A community can’t survive without a collective memory,” also it is a tragedy to have a collective memory fabricated for the community by aliens from the West for the purpose to turn the community into a willing cannon fodder to be slaughtered for their interests. Mind you, it is not a hypothesis; Vietnam has been slaughtered by the aliens from the West more than once to serve their interests.

    The American GIs massacred South Vietnamese village by village to make up their body counts quota, they ran over Vietnamese in the cities with trucks as a game of gook hockey, they spread Agent Orange all over South Vietnam to produce elephant faced new born even 50 years after they left Vietnam, they used Saigon as giant brothels that produced hundreds of thousands war time bastards in Vietnam.

    The Americans have never apologized the atrocities and war crimes they dealt to the Vietnamese, don’t you have any empathy for the suffering endured by the Vietnamese in the American’s hands? Shouldn’t you ask the Americans to take up their responsibility to redeem the harm they have done to the Vietnamese?

    BTW history shows that when China is not strong, the surrounding countries, Vietnam and other east and south east Asian countries were in serious trouble from the West and Japan. Vietnam will not get away with anything one way or other. Vietnamese seems to have same kind inferior complex as Indian. Good luck trying to undermining China.
    , @Anon
    Linh, these happens to whole world even those very developed one, just differ in prevalence and magnitude. It happens in my country too.

    In China, such things also always been reported including Dr get beaten up. Vietnam is still full of poverty people with no chance to get educated on moral values after all these wars. It will take another generation like China to change.

    May be one day you should just go up to China and travel around to understand your big neighbour better, and get direct feel of their people. The world is moving forward, Chinese are very pragmatic now.

    Also research from wider sources about Vietnam and China entangling issues, past war history, particular SCS spratly islands historical facts. Perhaps one day you can have better conclusion and able to help make the two neighbors to live cordially without been manipulated by US and Vietcon corrupted politicians to make your country as canon fodder like mine.

    At least we could see through US evil intention, and trying to resist our government msm propaganda to drive the country to joint the US evil axis confrontation with China.
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  73. republic says:
    @Wally
    Except that for Merkel's Germany & the fake '6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible, they could not have happened as alleged.
    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars demand censorship.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/HH-July2017-30secs+DonationPitch.mp4
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    Truth telling is never off topic.That video is about 1 hour and 20 minutes long.Millions of people have visited that camp and have been told lies. That video and book, ( banned by Amazon) is worth viewing and reading. One reason why LD is now living in Vietnam instead of in Philadelphia is because of his brave truth telling,which got him banned from academic posts in the US.

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  74. republic says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    So what do you purpose is the moral justification that illegal immigrants use? Because in my experience, that is not uncommon since it allows them to setup an unprincipled exception that allows them open borders, while potentially preventing the notion of open borders from others. And even a casual perusal of anti-Trump protests show the prevalence of the Mexican flag among protestors:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWdW5FyszoA&t=0m22s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iy_f8MGxM&t=0m5s

    That looks like a heck of a lot more people than UFO adherents, at least these days. Remember, I never said that they expected a specific political aim of unification, but rather the symbols exist which serve as a moral justification for continued illegal immigration.

    Vdare published this article a few days ago.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/memo-from-middle-america-forget-supposed-russian-meddling-why-is-flagrant-mexican-meddling-ignored-by-our-political-class

    Memo From Middle America: Forget Supposed Russian Meddling—Why Is Flagrant Mexican Meddling Ignored By Our Political Class?

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  75. @republic
    Truth telling is never off topic.That video is about 1 hour and 20 minutes long.Millions of people have visited that camp and have been told lies. That video and book, ( banned by Amazon) is worth viewing and reading. One reason why LD is now living in Vietnam instead of in Philadelphia is because of his brave truth telling,which got him banned from academic posts in the US.

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  76. Joe Wong says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The natives certainly weren't doing anything interesting with the land.

    Preserving the pristine nature for the survival of human beings is doing nothing for the humanity? While polluting and destroying environment as well as breeding a bunch of psychopathic war mongers waging reckless wars, wrecking havoc around the world and producing weapons that threatens the survival of human species is doing something interesting with the land? You seem have trouble figuring out what is right and what is wrong like the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’.

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    Seems like Tibet was "preserving" pristine nature pretty well, complete with rapist monks, backbreaking slavery, and brutal superstitions to leave corpses rotting in the open. Its really such a tragedy those things have been lost to them.

    Please.
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  77. Joe Wong says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    about the american public being stupid.

    how many of you guys have read Edward Bernays? his book "Propaganda" was written in 1928. his next book was renamed "Public relations," was written in 1945.

    information control started as early as 1928, probably perfected by 1945. 70+ years of information control :/ the american public(not everyone of course) is not stupid, just lacks access to information.

    Not all the hopes are lost, a lot of people are trying to provide honest information to the American and other victims of Edward Bernays’ “propaganda” and “Public Relations” despite they are being labelled, called commie, harassed, etc. The battle against Edward Bernays’ “propaganda” and “Public Relations” must fight on for the decency of humanity’s sake despite the road is long and hard.

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  78. @Joe Wong
    Preserving the pristine nature for the survival of human beings is doing nothing for the humanity? While polluting and destroying environment as well as breeding a bunch of psychopathic war mongers waging reckless wars, wrecking havoc around the world and producing weapons that threatens the survival of human species is doing something interesting with the land? You seem have trouble figuring out what is right and what is wrong like the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’.

    Seems like Tibet was “preserving” pristine nature pretty well, complete with rapist monks, backbreaking slavery, and brutal superstitions to leave corpses rotting in the open. Its really such a tragedy those things have been lost to them.

    Please.

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    If "putting into good use or doing something interesting with the land" is all about, why are the American whining bitterly when Chinese are putting the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use? Following your logic the American should laid down and roll over to let the Chinese put the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use.

    BTW Americas do not belong to all those White, Black, Brown or Yellow aliens, those aliens like the French and Anglo have no right to sell and buy lands do not belong them. "the US purchased Louisana from the French." is completely illegitimate and illegal in eyes of the international community. And the native Americans said there were plenty of violence and duress involved in stealing Louisiana from them.
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  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Linh can wear a Do Van Thu extension and strut his stuff – doing it like Patong Beach for the burned out clerks. Avowed heterosexual Revusky has plumper muscles, the result of superior mixed breeding. Half asian, half something, half lemonade – who cares? Get a dress and a wig. Have conspiracy, will travel.

    The CIA’s Bradley Manning shot his wad: Foreign service is doin’ this n’ that but US helicopter is shootin’ people in Iraq because we saw it on Kissinger’s RT.

    A digitized sheman-hero. Half real, mostly fake. The legend of jail and druggings. Wrapped in a pink bow and released from military prison sans penis, fully pardoned and running for office. Insufflate your egos and wipe your memories clean, when all else fails it’s United Colors of Benneton politics. A desperate attempt at quality entertainment for lost flocks.

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  80. gT says:

    That’s right yes, Vietnam kicked out the Chinese and Vietnam kicked out the French and Vietnam kicked out the Americans. Keep up the good work Vietnam.

    And get bigger boots to kick the next monkey who causes trouble there even harder.

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  81. @Anonymous

    Sri Lankan, Myanmar, Africans, Latin American, Asia, …they have all learned their lessons the hard way. After regime change, new gov kick out China and terminate all mega projects, then quickly found out US got nothing for them but war, terrorists and weapon sales, so they went back to China that can fill their stomach and build their road.
     
    When Dim Dinh grows older and maybe learns some wisdom, he may acknowledge how much of a mistake it was to allow himself to be brainwashed by empty U.S. fairy tales.

    What does he want the U.S. to do? Kill a few million more Vietnamese? Maybe that will cut the Vietnamese population enough to suit him.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that? Maybe all that Agent Orange (courtesy of the U.S.) has ruined his brains.

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that?

    Nazi Germany killed many of my relatives–I do not hate Germany, in fact, and I am not gonna lie–my heart aches for Germans and what was and is being done to them since 1990s. From a number of American Vietnam Vets I personally knew and know (with some we had some real, and I mean real, adventures)–most are down to earth and decent people. Some burnt out (one worked under my “command”), others down right nice people who viewed that war as a tragedy–this is an important nuance. It is also very American moral conundrum but it is also very human one–it allows to forgive and, actually, endear. FYI, I was a proud participant of some big time drunk parties with Soviet Afghan War and Vietnam Vets–both in Russia and US. I even have photos to prove it. It is one of the most unique experiences in my life–some people wouldn’t even believe it. Yeah, it is all in the past.

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    it allows to forgive and, actually, endear
     
    To forgive is commendable, and perhaps the Vietnamese are forgiving the Americans in spite of millions of dead Vietnamese and the ongoing poisoning of their country by megatons of chemicals dropped by the Yanks.

    Yet I don't see the Vietnamese forgiving China, which has done far less damage to Vietnam, by orders of magnitude.

    I think my explanation still holds: their brains have been poisoned by Agent Orange.
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  82. Joe Wong says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Seems like Tibet was "preserving" pristine nature pretty well, complete with rapist monks, backbreaking slavery, and brutal superstitions to leave corpses rotting in the open. Its really such a tragedy those things have been lost to them.

    Please.

    If “putting into good use or doing something interesting with the land” is all about, why are the American whining bitterly when Chinese are putting the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use? Following your logic the American should laid down and roll over to let the Chinese put the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use.

    BTW Americas do not belong to all those White, Black, Brown or Yellow aliens, those aliens like the French and Anglo have no right to sell and buy lands do not belong them. “the US purchased Louisana from the French.” is completely illegitimate and illegal in eyes of the international community. And the native Americans said there were plenty of violence and duress involved in stealing Louisiana from them.

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    You are correct.

    America belongs to the woolly mammoth.
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  83. 22pp22 says:
    @Jesse James
    When the corrupt Chiang retreated to Taiwan, his security forces murdered 10,000 Taiwanese who resisted his invasion and takeover.

    " During World War II, the United States emerged as a major actor in Chinese affairs. As an ally it embarked in late 1941 on a program of massive military and financial aid to the hard-pressed Nationalist government. In January 1943 the United States and Britain led the way in revising their treaties with China, bringing to an end a century of unequal treaty relations. Within a few months, a new agreement was signed between the United States and China for the stationing of American troops in China for the common war effort against Japan. In December 1943 the Chinese exclusion acts of the 1880s and subsequent laws enacted by the United States Congress to restrict Chinese immigration into the United States were repealed. [Ibid]"

    " More than $3 billion was appropriated by Washington to China during World War II. Most of the money was transmitted through accounts controlled by Madame Chiang Kai-shek’s brother, then the foreign minister of China. U.S. President Harry Truman later wrote: “They’re thieves, every damn one of them. They stole $750 million out of the billions we sent to Chiang. They stole it, and it’s invested in real estate down in Sao Paulo and some right here in New York.”

    " During the war American diplomats found military supplies sent by the United States to China being sold on the black market. During the famine in 1946, the Kuomintang took food donated from United Nations famine relief and sold it on the black market." factsanddetails/ Taiwan

    Your comment is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

    I was talking about the Chinese colonization of Taiwan beginning in the seventeenth century. Prior to that time, the island was inhabitant by people who spoke a variety of Malayo-Polynesian languages. Now they make up one percent of the population.

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    Conveniently you ignore the fact that the Dutch first invade and colonized the island, slaughtering the population. The Ming(and later remanant) forces were a counterinvasion force to evict the Dutch, though yes, they did not leave afterward.

    But apparently the Dutch invasion is fully justified and the Dutch treatment of their "workers(with 90% fatalities) is justified, but the Chinese force(which was supported by the locals) is not.

    Because reasons.

    , @Jesse James
    Chiang's pro-US minions exterminated all pro-Maoist resistance on Taiwan- I have read it was as many as 30,000 that they murdered. After being defeated, the Koumintang were going to have to be rescued by the US and Australia, as they were in fact quite hated because of their corruption and pro-western vassalage. That is why I posted the reference.
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  84. 22pp22 says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Manchu must find that amusing. As to 'colonizing' Taiwan, neither the concept nor the intention existed at the time Taiwan fell under Chinese sway.

    Do you get paid by the Chinese government to write what you do are are you just another incarnation of Joseph Needham.

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  85. 22pp22 says:
    @Anonymous
    Most of the expansions Dinh describes in the article were by the Qing Dynasty Manchus. Manchuria became part of the Chinese Empire during the Qing Dynasty because the Qing were Manchus.

    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia. Godfree, the Maoist fanatic, says that Chinese have never colonized anyone.

    That is so far from true it is beyond silly. Once or twice as a geologist, I have met people who seriously believe the world is 5,000 years old. They are impervious to reason.

    Godfree exhibits the same mindset.

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    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia.
     
    Perhaps they should not have conquered China if they didn't want to be assimilated into the great Han ocean. It must be an interesting form of colonization you have in mind, if being attacked is a form of aggression.
    , @Anonymous
    The Manchus and Mongols were small pastoralist tribes who assimilated themselves to the wider Chinese culture. What you're suggesting is like saying that the Normans were colonized by the English.
    , @Joe Wong
    In according to your forebears who invented Eurocentrism and Orientalism based on their evil minded imagination, the world only started to make sense in the 18th century. If you believe Edward Harper Parker, the world only became civilized in the late 19th century under the American benignant leadership, and the fact that the West still operates in the mould constructed by your creative forebears, comparing to those Eurocentrism/Orientalism creators, people who seriously believe the world 5,000 years old are actually quite educated and open minded.
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  86. @22pp22
    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia. Godfree, the Maoist fanatic, says that Chinese have never colonized anyone.

    That is so far from true it is beyond silly. Once or twice as a geologist, I have met people who seriously believe the world is 5,000 years old. They are impervious to reason.

    Godfree exhibits the same mindset.

    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia.

    Perhaps they should not have conquered China if they didn’t want to be assimilated into the great Han ocean. It must be an interesting form of colonization you have in mind, if being attacked is a form of aggression.

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  87. @Joe Wong
    If "putting into good use or doing something interesting with the land" is all about, why are the American whining bitterly when Chinese are putting the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use? Following your logic the American should laid down and roll over to let the Chinese put the American credit, jobs, people and land into good use.

    BTW Americas do not belong to all those White, Black, Brown or Yellow aliens, those aliens like the French and Anglo have no right to sell and buy lands do not belong them. "the US purchased Louisana from the French." is completely illegitimate and illegal in eyes of the international community. And the native Americans said there were plenty of violence and duress involved in stealing Louisiana from them.

    You are correct.

    America belongs to the woolly mammoth.

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  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia. Godfree, the Maoist fanatic, says that Chinese have never colonized anyone.

    That is so far from true it is beyond silly. Once or twice as a geologist, I have met people who seriously believe the world is 5,000 years old. They are impervious to reason.

    Godfree exhibits the same mindset.

    The Manchus and Mongols were small pastoralist tribes who assimilated themselves to the wider Chinese culture. What you’re suggesting is like saying that the Normans were colonized by the English.

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  89. @22pp22
    Your comment is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

    I was talking about the Chinese colonization of Taiwan beginning in the seventeenth century. Prior to that time, the island was inhabitant by people who spoke a variety of Malayo-Polynesian languages. Now they make up one percent of the population.

    Conveniently you ignore the fact that the Dutch first invade and colonized the island, slaughtering the population. The Ming(and later remanant) forces were a counterinvasion force to evict the Dutch, though yes, they did not leave afterward.

    But apparently the Dutch invasion is fully justified and the Dutch treatment of their “workers(with 90% fatalities) is justified, but the Chinese force(which was supported by the locals) is not.

    Because reasons.

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    Allowing the Dutch to stay in a restrictive area on the humanitarian ground becomes the right to colonize the island, no wonder the American natives lost their lands to the unscruplous and dubious White in no time and being slaughtered and became aliens in their own land.

    If Chinese knew the White were morally defunct beasts, they should not let those beasts get away back to the Philipines alive, they should terminate them like plague.

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  90. @anarchyst
    The Vietnam war was not a "civil-war" but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political system they chose to live under. They wanted "the whole pie".
    The South Vietnamese and American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968 "Tet offensive" was a "major loss" for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
    Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops.
    The Vietnamese "boat people" who risked life and limb to escape that communist "paradise" have a totally different story to tell, but which had been rarely reported...the so-called "anti-war protestors" were totally silent--no reaction from them on the plight of the "boat people".
    Documentary writer communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently "let it slip" that "re-education" by the communists was not a "six month deal" (as he claimed) in which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be "re-educated", but were actually prisons, in which "enemies of the (communist) state" were interned for as long as 20 years.
    It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.

    The facts as stated, are undeniable.

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  91. Joe Wong says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi utu,

    There are many news stories of traffic accident victims being robbed of their cellphones, handbags or wallets, but one must remember that most Vietnamese streets are jam packed, with hundreds if not thousands of people around, meaning the small minority that are opportunistically criminal are also nearby. Plus, since nearly everyone is on a motorbike, their valuables are a lot easier to get to.

    Also very alarming are news stories of doctors and nurses being physically attacked by enraged relatives of patients.


    Linh

    Linh, The current independent Vietnam is an anomaly in Vietnamese history, even that Vietnamese independence from the French, Japanese and American is made possible by Chinese sacrifices and material support, don’t be ungrateful like morally defunct unrepentant war criminal Japanese or the greedy Gweilo.

    More than a thousand years Vietnam was part of China, and rest of the time it was a vassal state of China, its kings needed to be canonized by the Chinese court to be legitimate. The battles fought in Vietnam were no different from other battles fought in the civil wars in the Chinese history. Treating those battles with some kind of freedom aspiration is a pure fabrication by the Westerners to undermine the historical links between China and Vietnam, so that they can rule and colonize Vietnamese forever without resistance, you are a specimen proving their plot successful. Besides Chinese gave Vietnamese autonomy, while the French, Japanese and American treated Vietnamese as subhuman beings and ruled Vietnam as colony with barbaric iron fists.

    The animosity and hatred between the South Vietnamese and their northern kin since the end of WWII make your claim “but when collectively threatened, they can show a striking unity and resolve” simply a fabrication through the thin air and a denial of reality. In those ancient battles many Vietnamese fought on the other side of your so called Vietnamese heroes. Even recently at least half of the Vietnamese fought on the French, Japanese and American side against their compatriots who wanted an independent Vietnam.

    “A community can’t survive without a collective memory,” also it is a tragedy to have a collective memory fabricated for the community by aliens from the West for the purpose to turn the community into a willing cannon fodder to be slaughtered for their interests. Mind you, it is not a hypothesis; Vietnam has been slaughtered by the aliens from the West more than once to serve their interests.

    The American GIs massacred South Vietnamese village by village to make up their body counts quota, they ran over Vietnamese in the cities with trucks as a game of gook hockey, they spread Agent Orange all over South Vietnam to produce elephant faced new born even 50 years after they left Vietnam, they used Saigon as giant brothels that produced hundreds of thousands war time bastards in Vietnam.

    The Americans have never apologized the atrocities and war crimes they dealt to the Vietnamese, don’t you have any empathy for the suffering endured by the Vietnamese in the American’s hands? Shouldn’t you ask the Americans to take up their responsibility to redeem the harm they have done to the Vietnamese?

    BTW history shows that when China is not strong, the surrounding countries, Vietnam and other east and south east Asian countries were in serious trouble from the West and Japan. Vietnam will not get away with anything one way or other. Vietnamese seems to have same kind inferior complex as Indian. Good luck trying to undermining China.

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  92. Joe Wong says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Conveniently you ignore the fact that the Dutch first invade and colonized the island, slaughtering the population. The Ming(and later remanant) forces were a counterinvasion force to evict the Dutch, though yes, they did not leave afterward.

    But apparently the Dutch invasion is fully justified and the Dutch treatment of their "workers(with 90% fatalities) is justified, but the Chinese force(which was supported by the locals) is not.

    Because reasons.

    Allowing the Dutch to stay in a restrictive area on the humanitarian ground becomes the right to colonize the island, no wonder the American natives lost their lands to the unscruplous and dubious White in no time and being slaughtered and became aliens in their own land.

    If Chinese knew the White were morally defunct beasts, they should not let those beasts get away back to the Philipines alive, they should terminate them like plague.

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    joe, you can comment without being so angry(not sure if this is the right word)

    talk cordially. we are all anons here.
    , @22pp22
    The Dutch were incredibly brutal in Taiwan, but they never colonised the island. They did not have the numbers.

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    It has much less to do with all "Whites" as much as it did with the Dutch leader being that unique blend of stupid and evil. Even his homeland wrote to him to stop embarrassing them(and to stop doing what he was doing), after he provoked and lost multiple naval battles to the Chinese. He just never seemed to fully grasp that unlike the SEA he was used to dealing with, the Chinese also had artillery and warships of their own.
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  93. @Joe Wong
    Linh Dinh is a specimen of mentally colonized wannabe who is so deep in the wannabe he does not even know he is one.

    The Empire of Chaos (USA) and its Five Eyes cousins lie, they lie about the present, about the past, even about the future. They lie day and night, relentlessly. their founding dogmas are based on deception, their history on false pathos and insincere heroism.

    The Europeans including their offshoots is where is now, still filthy rich (although always complaining), because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized. This is the real history, not the one you have learnt and believe, which was manufactured by the perpetrators to white wash the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war crimes they have been committing since the Columbus time.

    Without the Europeans and the Five Eyes, their discoveries or inventions will be discovered and invented by somebody else but without the toxic racism, wars, hypocrisy, exploitation on the moral high ground come with it. Other people has been discovering and inventing in thousands of years while the Europeans were in the medieval dark-age obsessed with their retarded, regressive and barbaric cult practices and dominance. Without the Europeans particular their offshoot the American humanity will not have gone through two world wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

    Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    You’re either a troll, or Andre Vltchek’s sockpuppet.

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    You can call me sockpuppet, but you cannot call me a troll, because these are all facts.
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  94. @22pp22
    Your comment is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

    I was talking about the Chinese colonization of Taiwan beginning in the seventeenth century. Prior to that time, the island was inhabitant by people who spoke a variety of Malayo-Polynesian languages. Now they make up one percent of the population.

    Chiang’s pro-US minions exterminated all pro-Maoist resistance on Taiwan- I have read it was as many as 30,000 that they murdered. After being defeated, the Koumintang were going to have to be rescued by the US and Australia, as they were in fact quite hated because of their corruption and pro-western vassalage. That is why I posted the reference.

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  95. @Joe Wong
    Allowing the Dutch to stay in a restrictive area on the humanitarian ground becomes the right to colonize the island, no wonder the American natives lost their lands to the unscruplous and dubious White in no time and being slaughtered and became aliens in their own land.

    If Chinese knew the White were morally defunct beasts, they should not let those beasts get away back to the Philipines alive, they should terminate them like plague.

    joe, you can comment without being so angry(not sure if this is the right word)

    talk cordially. we are all anons here.

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  96. 22pp22 says:
    @Joe Wong
    Allowing the Dutch to stay in a restrictive area on the humanitarian ground becomes the right to colonize the island, no wonder the American natives lost their lands to the unscruplous and dubious White in no time and being slaughtered and became aliens in their own land.

    If Chinese knew the White were morally defunct beasts, they should not let those beasts get away back to the Philipines alive, they should terminate them like plague.

    The Dutch were incredibly brutal in Taiwan, but they never colonised the island. They did not have the numbers.

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.

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    Their intent very much was to colonize the island. They did not have the numbers because they proceeded to start a war with the Ming and lose terribly.
    , @TT

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.
     
    Do you refer to Oxford Dictionary definition of colonise that the West Imperialists esp Anglos had habitually practised with force and cruelty to the world?

    (BrE also colonise) verb [VN]
    1 to take control of an area or a country that is not your own, especially using force, and send people from your own country to live there:
    The area was colonized by the Vikings.


    Singapore was colonized and ruled by imperial British until independent was gained, never by China since they don't control Spore by force nor send its people purposely to live there.

    The real indigenous people of Singapura island is actually some Orang Asli kind of tribal. Those so called Indigenous Malays who claimed themselves as indigenous owners of Malaysia, Indonesia, Sarawak, etc., are actually themselves earlier migrants traced to one tribal in China Yunnan. If that is considered, then China was indeed the largest migrants source, still not a colonist.

    People from China, Arabs, India, Europe... had come to trade using its ports and some settled in Singapore well before S.Raffles arrived.

    Prior to Raffles' arrival, there were only about a thousand people living on the island, mostly indigenous Malays along with a handful of Chinese.[40] By 1860 the population had swelled to over 80,000, more than half being Chinese.[38] Many of these early immigrants came to work on the pepper and gambier plantations.
     
    The fact that Chinese diaspora has organically grown to existing majority 74.3% can't be justified to say China had colonised Singapore. There are other substantial migrants Malays13.3%, Indians 9.1% and Eurasians/others 3.3% population. Do we called them all colonist?

    Pls do not make distorted comment about another country just to justify your eagerness to paint China as another imperialism colonist like UKUSFr.

    While commenting Dutch is very cruel, British is nothing lesser but in bigger scale and still heaping bloody criminal wars in ME and elsewhere till these days. PM May even gave a speech to US Congress to urge them continue to collabrate with UK to pursue old dream of imperialism conquest.

    Do you get paid by the Anglos for writing Sinophobe stories? There are hysteria shrieking of Sinophobe in Oz now, while UKUS are cranking Russophobe like a clown circus. What do we expect these 2 big nuclear armed countries to do? Bend over to get gang rape by AnglosZionists or fight for their existential to have all of us fried? We should write for peace with facts & wisdom.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.
     
    This just show how ignorant one can be. The Jap has the world greatest axe to grind here, as pathologic liars nation still denying all their war crimes and comfort women raping. If you had work with their men for long enough, you can smell their deep inner cruel Imperialism soldier DNA make to fight again when Abe get his way.
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  97. @22pp22
    The Dutch were incredibly brutal in Taiwan, but they never colonised the island. They did not have the numbers.

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.

    Their intent very much was to colonize the island. They did not have the numbers because they proceeded to start a war with the Ming and lose terribly.

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    As I understand it, the Ming were themselves being thrashed by the Qing and groups of pirates were the last to hold out against what they saw as Manchurian barbarians. They moved into Taiwan as a base of operations. They kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan and then they were themselves conquered by the Qing.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Spanish were much more successful in the Philippines because they were able to coopt the natives using religion. However, they were never able to displace them as the dominant ethnic group on the island. There were one of two Dutch missionaries on Taiwan, and they did work out how to write some of the native languages in Roman letters, but all in all the Dutch were interested in money and not in saving souls, which made them far less successful colonists that the Spanish.

    The death rate among Europeans was fantastically high in Batavia and Manila especially among women

    Chinese people moved to Spanish Manila in huge numbers far out numbering the Spanish rulers who on the one hand prized the Chinese for the silks that they brought and on the other hand were terrified of them as a potential fifth column. There were several massacres of the Chinese in Manila ordered by the Europeans with the locals joining in with gusto.

    Europeans were only able to displace the native civilizations when smallpox wiped out the opposition. This is why most of North America was colonised by whites. In tropical Asia, the local popuations were resistant to diseases that decimated Europeans.

    I am not trying to pretend that Europeans are super moral and that the Chinese are evil. I do not think that. Both Whites and Chinese are motivated by economic gain and can be harsh in dealing with those who get in their way.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world's largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.
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  98. @Joe Wong
    Allowing the Dutch to stay in a restrictive area on the humanitarian ground becomes the right to colonize the island, no wonder the American natives lost their lands to the unscruplous and dubious White in no time and being slaughtered and became aliens in their own land.

    If Chinese knew the White were morally defunct beasts, they should not let those beasts get away back to the Philipines alive, they should terminate them like plague.

    It has much less to do with all “Whites” as much as it did with the Dutch leader being that unique blend of stupid and evil. Even his homeland wrote to him to stop embarrassing them(and to stop doing what he was doing), after he provoked and lost multiple naval battles to the Chinese. He just never seemed to fully grasp that unlike the SEA he was used to dealing with, the Chinese also had artillery and warships of their own.

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  99. Joe Wong says:
    @Bay Area Guy
    Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world for the sole benefit of the few, turned into inseparable part of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that gets almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    You're either a troll, or Andre Vltchek's sockpuppet.

    You can call me sockpuppet, but you cannot call me a troll, because these are all facts.

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  100. Joe Wong says:
    @22pp22
    And now the Manchu are a vanishingly small minority in their own country. The Yuan Dynasty were Mongols and now Mongols are a small minority in Inner Mongolia. Godfree, the Maoist fanatic, says that Chinese have never colonized anyone.

    That is so far from true it is beyond silly. Once or twice as a geologist, I have met people who seriously believe the world is 5,000 years old. They are impervious to reason.

    Godfree exhibits the same mindset.

    In according to your forebears who invented Eurocentrism and Orientalism based on their evil minded imagination, the world only started to make sense in the 18th century. If you believe Edward Harper Parker, the world only became civilized in the late 19th century under the American benignant leadership, and the fact that the West still operates in the mould constructed by your creative forebears, comparing to those Eurocentrism/Orientalism creators, people who seriously believe the world 5,000 years old are actually quite educated and open minded.

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  101. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Their intent very much was to colonize the island. They did not have the numbers because they proceeded to start a war with the Ming and lose terribly.

    As I understand it, the Ming were themselves being thrashed by the Qing and groups of pirates were the last to hold out against what they saw as Manchurian barbarians. They moved into Taiwan as a base of operations. They kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan and then they were themselves conquered by the Qing.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Spanish were much more successful in the Philippines because they were able to coopt the natives using religion. However, they were never able to displace them as the dominant ethnic group on the island. There were one of two Dutch missionaries on Taiwan, and they did work out how to write some of the native languages in Roman letters, but all in all the Dutch were interested in money and not in saving souls, which made them far less successful colonists that the Spanish.

    The death rate among Europeans was fantastically high in Batavia and Manila especially among women

    Chinese people moved to Spanish Manila in huge numbers far out numbering the Spanish rulers who on the one hand prized the Chinese for the silks that they brought and on the other hand were terrified of them as a potential fifth column. There were several massacres of the Chinese in Manila ordered by the Europeans with the locals joining in with gusto.

    Europeans were only able to displace the native civilizations when smallpox wiped out the opposition. This is why most of North America was colonised by whites. In tropical Asia, the local popuations were resistant to diseases that decimated Europeans.

    I am not trying to pretend that Europeans are super moral and that the Chinese are evil. I do not think that. Both Whites and Chinese are motivated by economic gain and can be harsh in dealing with those who get in their way.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

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    The Ming had many problems but the Dutch attacked them far earlier after setting up a colony on Taiwan(they called it Formosa). It was pretty evidently a colony since they took women and children to build port cities, which classically temporary traders such as the French do not.

    But in short, the Dutch leader decided to try his hand at piracy to force the Ming to open up trade further to them. This lead to multiple defeats, first at being repelled and later from a punitive force(The Ming collapse would come later, with the Manchus taking advantage of an internal rebellion). Yes, in the end, a remanant portion of the Ming destroyed the Dutch colony and held out against the Qing until his successor negotiated peace(he surrendered as a vassal).


    The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.
     
    The Japanese don't have an axe to grind with the Chinese? Especially in regards to Taiwan?

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

     

    Which would be untrue. Pretty much every acquisition at least has more complexity to it, even if it is "the natives asked for assistance, an army came in and then never left." There were some exceptions, such as Manchu wars for glory, Tang dynasty expansion w/ Turkish influence, etc. And as a typical rule, if the Chinese were attacked from a source(such as from Formosa or from the North), vast retaliation and even occupation as seen as acceptable(pacification campaigns).

    But as a general rule, the Chinese rarely engaged in actual conquest for territory. As noted before, it was rarely seen as profitable and indeed the Qianlong Emperor(who was Manchu) faced significant opposition in court, specifically from Han courtiers, against the notion of conquering non-Chinese people, often for "moral" reasons in the sense that it was foolish to arrogantly try to dominate others, while the welfare of current citizens could still be improved(warfare seen as a waste of treasure and glory as self-serving arrogance).

    Its simply a different mentality, which makes most mentions of the idea of Chinese conquest to be silly. Manchus or Mongols getting wiped out due to population pressures is probably the most extreme version of that. They came into China, they get sinicized and cease to have a culture of their own. Its cultural victory.
    , @denk

    The Japanese don’t have an axe to grind with the Chinese?
     
    And you'r a moron !

    hhhhhh
    , @denk

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.
     
    You mean like Diego Garcia ?

    hhhhh
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  102. @22pp22
    As I understand it, the Ming were themselves being thrashed by the Qing and groups of pirates were the last to hold out against what they saw as Manchurian barbarians. They moved into Taiwan as a base of operations. They kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan and then they were themselves conquered by the Qing.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Spanish were much more successful in the Philippines because they were able to coopt the natives using religion. However, they were never able to displace them as the dominant ethnic group on the island. There were one of two Dutch missionaries on Taiwan, and they did work out how to write some of the native languages in Roman letters, but all in all the Dutch were interested in money and not in saving souls, which made them far less successful colonists that the Spanish.

    The death rate among Europeans was fantastically high in Batavia and Manila especially among women

    Chinese people moved to Spanish Manila in huge numbers far out numbering the Spanish rulers who on the one hand prized the Chinese for the silks that they brought and on the other hand were terrified of them as a potential fifth column. There were several massacres of the Chinese in Manila ordered by the Europeans with the locals joining in with gusto.

    Europeans were only able to displace the native civilizations when smallpox wiped out the opposition. This is why most of North America was colonised by whites. In tropical Asia, the local popuations were resistant to diseases that decimated Europeans.

    I am not trying to pretend that Europeans are super moral and that the Chinese are evil. I do not think that. Both Whites and Chinese are motivated by economic gain and can be harsh in dealing with those who get in their way.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world's largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

    The Ming had many problems but the Dutch attacked them far earlier after setting up a colony on Taiwan(they called it Formosa). It was pretty evidently a colony since they took women and children to build port cities, which classically temporary traders such as the French do not.

    But in short, the Dutch leader decided to try his hand at piracy to force the Ming to open up trade further to them. This lead to multiple defeats, first at being repelled and later from a punitive force(The Ming collapse would come later, with the Manchus taking advantage of an internal rebellion). Yes, in the end, a remanant portion of the Ming destroyed the Dutch colony and held out against the Qing until his successor negotiated peace(he surrendered as a vassal).

    The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Japanese don’t have an axe to grind with the Chinese? Especially in regards to Taiwan?

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

    Which would be untrue. Pretty much every acquisition at least has more complexity to it, even if it is “the natives asked for assistance, an army came in and then never left.” There were some exceptions, such as Manchu wars for glory, Tang dynasty expansion w/ Turkish influence, etc. And as a typical rule, if the Chinese were attacked from a source(such as from Formosa or from the North), vast retaliation and even occupation as seen as acceptable(pacification campaigns).

    But as a general rule, the Chinese rarely engaged in actual conquest for territory. As noted before, it was rarely seen as profitable and indeed the Qianlong Emperor(who was Manchu) faced significant opposition in court, specifically from Han courtiers, against the notion of conquering non-Chinese people, often for “moral” reasons in the sense that it was foolish to arrogantly try to dominate others, while the welfare of current citizens could still be improved(warfare seen as a waste of treasure and glory as self-serving arrogance).

    Its simply a different mentality, which makes most mentions of the idea of Chinese conquest to be silly. Manchus or Mongols getting wiped out due to population pressures is probably the most extreme version of that. They came into China, they get sinicized and cease to have a culture of their own. Its cultural victory.

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    The Japanese couldn't care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism. We're not Japanese. That's all they need to know.
    , @22pp22
    The essential point is that areas once populated by people were not racially or culturally Chinese end up occupied by people who are racially and culturally Chinese.

    In other words, those areas were colonised by Han Chinese.

    The overwhelming majority of Manchurians are not of Manchu ancestry. Most Taiwanese are the descendants of settlers who arrived in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

    The same is incidentally true of Fujian province.
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  103. @Anon
    Anyone else tired of having to page thru Wally’s invariably off topic Holocaust posts?

    I remember once setting out why I thought the political system in Turkey is fascist. Wally dismissed it in one line, clearly without any actual knowledge of Turkey, but at least he managed to avoid his block-copied Holocaust denial rant.
    I do think this website should at least moderate for comments staying on topic, so you don’t have people inserting Holocaust denial, muesli advocacy or whatever their particular obsession is into a discussion absolutely unrelated to those topics.

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  104. denk says:

    Linh invokes the horrors of Chinese imperial court to scare the dumped down murkkans but…..thats how long ago, one thousand, two thousands ?
    China has marched into the 21c, warts and all.
    Its still work in progress, but China is improving with each passing day.

    OTOH, why’s the ‘world’s oldest democracy’ still giving the Mongols a good run for their money…..isnt this supposedly the era of civilisation ?

    ‘Meanwhile, back at Falluja, unarmed men were slaughtered; children mutilated and murdered. Some women “spontaneously aborted babies due to the terrible shock and pressure of carpet bombing”. (Go to We Hold These Truths – and click on ‘Kill on Sight’).
    At Falluja hospital, according to the notes of a Turkish doctor, Hakim Mirzoev there was “an endless stream of wounded children, women, and elders. Not dozens – hundreds! On the third day the medicines started to come to the end. Especially anaesthetics and antibiotics”. Then the Americans stormed the wards, strip searched the doctors, smashed the last bottle of Iodine, dragged away the half dead male patients, as family visitors wailed and watched in horror. A process that was repeated over several days.
    As reports such as these circulate among the dwindling number of Westerners curious about our war crimes, there have been half baked apologias. “Look, a torture room”, intones the voice, as the camera pans a squalid interior. We are supposed to be thankful for the flattening Falluja; instead, we are reminded of the majestic horrors at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.
    GOD BLESS THE MONGOLS
    Meanwhile, the use of torture by the US is gradually being legitimised by the White House and the Courts. On this point we a spot a difference between the two Great Invaders. The Mongols did not torture, mutilate or maim, even though their enemies did.
    Another difference: while both invasions led to the destruction of museums and libraries, the Mongols at least had a reason – their troops needed the leather of the bindings to make shoes.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050107123218/http://richardneville.com/Journal/2004/journal161204.html

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  105. denk says:
    @22pp22
    As I understand it, the Ming were themselves being thrashed by the Qing and groups of pirates were the last to hold out against what they saw as Manchurian barbarians. They moved into Taiwan as a base of operations. They kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan and then they were themselves conquered by the Qing.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Spanish were much more successful in the Philippines because they were able to coopt the natives using religion. However, they were never able to displace them as the dominant ethnic group on the island. There were one of two Dutch missionaries on Taiwan, and they did work out how to write some of the native languages in Roman letters, but all in all the Dutch were interested in money and not in saving souls, which made them far less successful colonists that the Spanish.

    The death rate among Europeans was fantastically high in Batavia and Manila especially among women

    Chinese people moved to Spanish Manila in huge numbers far out numbering the Spanish rulers who on the one hand prized the Chinese for the silks that they brought and on the other hand were terrified of them as a potential fifth column. There were several massacres of the Chinese in Manila ordered by the Europeans with the locals joining in with gusto.

    Europeans were only able to displace the native civilizations when smallpox wiped out the opposition. This is why most of North America was colonised by whites. In tropical Asia, the local popuations were resistant to diseases that decimated Europeans.

    I am not trying to pretend that Europeans are super moral and that the Chinese are evil. I do not think that. Both Whites and Chinese are motivated by economic gain and can be harsh in dealing with those who get in their way.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world's largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

    The Japanese don’t have an axe to grind with the Chinese?

    And you’r a moron !

    hhhhhh

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    Your views on Japan are seriously out of date.

    They care about the Kuriles and the Senkaku Islands, but beyond that they couldn't care less what you or I think. If the entire population of China died tomorrow, it might just make page three of the Asahi Shinbun.

    Chinese people have a mixture of an inferiority complex and a superiority complex which makes them very very touchy. Japanese people couldn't care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism.

    We're not Japanese. That's all they need to know.
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  106. denk says:
    @22pp22
    As I understand it, the Ming were themselves being thrashed by the Qing and groups of pirates were the last to hold out against what they saw as Manchurian barbarians. They moved into Taiwan as a base of operations. They kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan and then they were themselves conquered by the Qing.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    The Spanish were much more successful in the Philippines because they were able to coopt the natives using religion. However, they were never able to displace them as the dominant ethnic group on the island. There were one of two Dutch missionaries on Taiwan, and they did work out how to write some of the native languages in Roman letters, but all in all the Dutch were interested in money and not in saving souls, which made them far less successful colonists that the Spanish.

    The death rate among Europeans was fantastically high in Batavia and Manila especially among women

    Chinese people moved to Spanish Manila in huge numbers far out numbering the Spanish rulers who on the one hand prized the Chinese for the silks that they brought and on the other hand were terrified of them as a potential fifth column. There were several massacres of the Chinese in Manila ordered by the Europeans with the locals joining in with gusto.

    Europeans were only able to displace the native civilizations when smallpox wiped out the opposition. This is why most of North America was colonised by whites. In tropical Asia, the local popuations were resistant to diseases that decimated Europeans.

    I am not trying to pretend that Europeans are super moral and that the Chinese are evil. I do not think that. Both Whites and Chinese are motivated by economic gain and can be harsh in dealing with those who get in their way.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world's largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

    You mean like Diego Garcia ?

    hhhhh

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  107. augusto says: • Website
    @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Yes, you think the Chinese rule won´t be so complete – but your forget one thing: the asians will offer greedy and spineless yankees what they like most: the appearance of easy money.
    You cannot deny that the moral fibers of the american sheeple are close to rotten fractures. Just compare a russian or korean soldiear to an american… And just see what chinese and russians do with a mere 10 percent fraction of US investment in weaponry! What the US does keep and glories on is the title of world ´s most criminal state.
    The state that recognizes Mohamedu shahila innocence, tortures him three more years and in the end has the supreme cowardice of sending him home in a plane hand cuffed, tied to a plane chair and with blinded eyes… this state is simply far more racaille than Genghis Khan at his heyday. No less.
    The US are a worlwide shame and what keeps you alive is a monstrous MSM propaganda machine.
    And so far in 8000 years of History all empires who morally decaying plunged into a rapid destruction. And their enemies were far less powerful than Beijing will be in 15 years.
    England should not have won without american support.,
    But the URSS would have won the III Reich anyway, without anyone´s support…

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  108. TT says:
    @22pp22
    The Dutch were incredibly brutal in Taiwan, but they never colonised the island. They did not have the numbers.

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.

    The Chinese colonised Singapore. The fact that it was under British rule does not alter that fact.

    Do you refer to Oxford Dictionary definition of colonise that the West Imperialists esp Anglos had habitually practised with force and cruelty to the world?

    (BrE also colonise) verb [VN]
    1 to take control of an area or a country that is not your own, especially using force, and send people from your own country to live there:
    The area was colonized by the Vikings.

    Singapore was colonized and ruled by imperial British until independent was gained, never by China since they don’t control Spore by force nor send its people purposely to live there.

    The real indigenous people of Singapura island is actually some Orang Asli kind of tribal. Those so called Indigenous Malays who claimed themselves as indigenous owners of Malaysia, Indonesia, Sarawak, etc., are actually themselves earlier migrants traced to one tribal in China Yunnan. If that is considered, then China was indeed the largest migrants source, still not a colonist.

    People from China, Arabs, India, Europe… had come to trade using its ports and some settled in Singapore well before S.Raffles arrived.

    Prior to Raffles’ arrival, there were only about a thousand people living on the island, mostly indigenous Malays along with a handful of Chinese.[40] By 1860 the population had swelled to over 80,000, more than half being Chinese.[38] Many of these early immigrants came to work on the pepper and gambier plantations.

    The fact that Chinese diaspora has organically grown to existing majority 74.3% can’t be justified to say China had colonised Singapore. There are other substantial migrants Malays13.3%, Indians 9.1% and Eurasians/others 3.3% population. Do we called them all colonist?

    Pls do not make distorted comment about another country just to justify your eagerness to paint China as another imperialism colonist like UKUSFr.

    While commenting Dutch is very cruel, British is nothing lesser but in bigger scale and still heaping bloody criminal wars in ME and elsewhere till these days. PM May even gave a speech to US Congress to urge them continue to collabrate with UK to pursue old dream of imperialism conquest.

    Do you get paid by the Anglos for writing Sinophobe stories? There are hysteria shrieking of Sinophobe in Oz now, while UKUS are cranking Russophobe like a clown circus. What do we expect these 2 big nuclear armed countries to do? Bend over to get gang rape by AnglosZionists or fight for their existential to have all of us fried? We should write for peace with facts & wisdom.

    My knowledge about this derives entirely from C.R. Boxer and a few books in Japanese by Iwao Seiichi, Nagazumi Yoko and Shiba Yoshinori. The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.

    This just show how ignorant one can be. The Jap has the world greatest axe to grind here, as pathologic liars nation still denying all their war crimes and comfort women raping. If you had work with their men for long enough, you can smell their deep inner cruel Imperialism soldier DNA make to fight again when Abe get his way.

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  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Why does he love the country that has killed millions of people in Vietnam, and hate the country that has not done that?
     
    Nazi Germany killed many of my relatives--I do not hate Germany, in fact, and I am not gonna lie--my heart aches for Germans and what was and is being done to them since 1990s. From a number of American Vietnam Vets I personally knew and know (with some we had some real, and I mean real, adventures)--most are down to earth and decent people. Some burnt out (one worked under my "command"), others down right nice people who viewed that war as a tragedy--this is an important nuance. It is also very American moral conundrum but it is also very human one--it allows to forgive and, actually, endear. FYI, I was a proud participant of some big time drunk parties with Soviet Afghan War and Vietnam Vets--both in Russia and US. I even have photos to prove it. It is one of the most unique experiences in my life--some people wouldn't even believe it. Yeah, it is all in the past.

    it allows to forgive and, actually, endear

    To forgive is commendable, and perhaps the Vietnamese are forgiving the Americans in spite of millions of dead Vietnamese and the ongoing poisoning of their country by megatons of chemicals dropped by the Yanks.

    Yet I don’t see the Vietnamese forgiving China, which has done far less damage to Vietnam, by orders of magnitude.

    I think my explanation still holds: their brains have been poisoned by Agent Orange.

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    I do not speak Vietnamese or know Vietnam, but the Vietnamese beat the USA and France. I can only assume this is an immense source of pride rather than hatred.

    A couple of million Vietnamese died under Japanese occupation but Japanese I know who have visited the country have never encountered any hostility.

    The Japanese, French and American threats belong to the past. Rightly of wrongly, the Vietnamese perceive the Chinese to be a threat now and in the future.

    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.

    I feel the same way about Australia and New Zealand.
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  110. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi utu,

    There are many news stories of traffic accident victims being robbed of their cellphones, handbags or wallets, but one must remember that most Vietnamese streets are jam packed, with hundreds if not thousands of people around, meaning the small minority that are opportunistically criminal are also nearby. Plus, since nearly everyone is on a motorbike, their valuables are a lot easier to get to.

    Also very alarming are news stories of doctors and nurses being physically attacked by enraged relatives of patients.


    Linh

    Linh, these happens to whole world even those very developed one, just differ in prevalence and magnitude. It happens in my country too.

    In China, such things also always been reported including Dr get beaten up. Vietnam is still full of poverty people with no chance to get educated on moral values after all these wars. It will take another generation like China to change.

    May be one day you should just go up to China and travel around to understand your big neighbour better, and get direct feel of their people. The world is moving forward, Chinese are very pragmatic now.

    Also research from wider sources about Vietnam and China entangling issues, past war history, particular SCS spratly islands historical facts. Perhaps one day you can have better conclusion and able to help make the two neighbors to live cordially without been manipulated by US and Vietcon corrupted politicians to make your country as canon fodder like mine.

    At least we could see through US evil intention, and trying to resist our government msm propaganda to drive the country to joint the US evil axis confrontation with China.

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    The US isn't so complicated. It's all supported by the voters 100%. The voters want the cops to shoot the poor. The voters want perpetual war. The voters want massive inequality. The voters want terrible schools. The voters want to give 50% of their income to the military. The voters read propaganda on the internet, then they decide they should go vote for all of the above anyway. American voting slaves are very stoic and faithful - one day they will vote for the right leaders.
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  111. @ Linh,

    I am quite interested in one facet of the Vietnam war, namely that the Americans were “surprised” by the Tet offensive.
    Given that the historical Tet offensive was the crowning achievement of the Tay Son rebellion, and given that the Vietcong partly based some of its propaganda on old Tay Son memes (such as land reform), being surprised by an Viet offensive on Tet should be like being surprised by Japanese attacking without prior declaration of war, being surprised by Russian fondness of artillery or by German fondness for sending mobile troops through supposedly impenetrable terrain, to be frank, being surprised by that should get the surprised commanders shot for incompetence.

    Was this a thing of the “We know everything better” Americans ignoring their South Vietnamese allies? I cannot imagine that noone in the AVRN saw this coming.

    From some Soviet archives, it appears that North Vietnam successfully played off USSR and China (it also helped that participation of Soviet troops was on a deniable level. South East Asia is a tough place, if you need to call in foreigners to do violence for you, you imho lose a lot of face), and thus maintained a far larger degree of independence then South Vietnam which had just 1 patron.

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  112. aandrews says:
    @aandrews
    Interesting essay, per usual. Enjoyed it.

    Earlier I was reading an article at The Daily Beast about the upcoming Oscar awards wherein "an anonymous Oscar voter" remarked about how underwhelmed he was by the movie, Dunkirk: "I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it."

    I thought it was bizarre that he didn’t *know* about Dunkirk, the evacuation of the expeditionary force, a screwup on the German’s part that cost them the war, or that it occurred in France. You know, it wasn’t explained to the dope.

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  113. 22pp22 says:
    @denk

    The Japanese don’t have an axe to grind with the Chinese?
     
    And you'r a moron !

    hhhhhh

    Your views on Japan are seriously out of date.

    They care about the Kuriles and the Senkaku Islands, but beyond that they couldn’t care less what you or I think. If the entire population of China died tomorrow, it might just make page three of the Asahi Shinbun.

    Chinese people have a mixture of an inferiority complex and a superiority complex which makes them very very touchy. Japanese people couldn’t care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism.

    We’re not Japanese. That’s all they need to know.

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    They care about the Kuriles and the Senkaku Islands, but beyond that they couldn’t care less what you or I think. If the entire population of China died tomorrow, it might just make page three of the Asahi Shinbun.
     
    So they need to conduct many military provocation by gifting various weapons to Vietnam & Philippines, collaborate with US, Australia & India military to contain China, actively instigate Aseans in SCS crisis, sabotaging China Obor rail projects everywhere in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Africa, India,... developing new aircraft/copter carrier, missles, submarines for a Coastal Defense Force that is one of world largest most advanced military, all for that little Kuriles and Diaoyu island concern?

    Then quarrel with SKorea demanding their xxx island..make artificial island ontop faraway outcrop corals to illegally claim EEZ....that they really care less. Reinterpret & rewriting constitution that enabled the nation to wage war that they care less.

    You got to try harder with your Jap Samurai sword is for sushi propaganda.

    If entire China population died, Japan will has to clean their ass with bare hand and Asahi Shinbun ceased to print. But entire Anglos disappearance has little impact to everyone life, as many better Europeans, Jews, Asians... can replace them quickly. Asahi Shinbun probably won't notice, except the world has finally relieve from the greatest war mongering ethnic in last few centuries. Most wars will cease itself.
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  114. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The Ming had many problems but the Dutch attacked them far earlier after setting up a colony on Taiwan(they called it Formosa). It was pretty evidently a colony since they took women and children to build port cities, which classically temporary traders such as the French do not.

    But in short, the Dutch leader decided to try his hand at piracy to force the Ming to open up trade further to them. This lead to multiple defeats, first at being repelled and later from a punitive force(The Ming collapse would come later, with the Manchus taking advantage of an internal rebellion). Yes, in the end, a remanant portion of the Ming destroyed the Dutch colony and held out against the Qing until his successor negotiated peace(he surrendered as a vassal).


    The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.
     
    The Japanese don't have an axe to grind with the Chinese? Especially in regards to Taiwan?

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

     

    Which would be untrue. Pretty much every acquisition at least has more complexity to it, even if it is "the natives asked for assistance, an army came in and then never left." There were some exceptions, such as Manchu wars for glory, Tang dynasty expansion w/ Turkish influence, etc. And as a typical rule, if the Chinese were attacked from a source(such as from Formosa or from the North), vast retaliation and even occupation as seen as acceptable(pacification campaigns).

    But as a general rule, the Chinese rarely engaged in actual conquest for territory. As noted before, it was rarely seen as profitable and indeed the Qianlong Emperor(who was Manchu) faced significant opposition in court, specifically from Han courtiers, against the notion of conquering non-Chinese people, often for "moral" reasons in the sense that it was foolish to arrogantly try to dominate others, while the welfare of current citizens could still be improved(warfare seen as a waste of treasure and glory as self-serving arrogance).

    Its simply a different mentality, which makes most mentions of the idea of Chinese conquest to be silly. Manchus or Mongols getting wiped out due to population pressures is probably the most extreme version of that. They came into China, they get sinicized and cease to have a culture of their own. Its cultural victory.

    The Japanese couldn’t care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism. We’re not Japanese. That’s all they need to know.

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    Your intense lack of familiarity of the Japanese is showing. They do care, for among other reasons, because they believe that they have a good claim on Taiwan; Taiwan was also under Japanese rule which significantly less brutal than that in Korea and to which at least some of the population still favor Japan for. Japan has a complex attitude toward the world and Asia, but to believe that they are completely disinterested is silly and implies that you're not a serious participant in this discussion.

    https://thediplomat.com/2013/08/china-and-japan-really-dont-like-each-other/

    One hardly needs to go further than the silly back and forth of invasion: Japan claims that Chinese forces invaded them first as part of the Yuan; therefore, retaliation justified their invasion of Korea as a land bridge to attack China(in 1500s). Chinese reinforcement of Korean forces defeated Japanese forces on land then, which led to the second justification of retaliation against China in the 1900s, etc. The current mess of the South China Sea is born largely out of the many contradicting treaties determining island ownership after multiple wars.

    Needless to say, Japan has always kept an interest in that.

    Their perspective naturally leads to an ideological bias which presents facts in a light as favorable as possible for themselves. This is especially true several decades ago(consider "The Japan that can say no"); at present Japan is dealing with economic difficulties and necessarily takes a less assertive position.

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  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Linh, these happens to whole world even those very developed one, just differ in prevalence and magnitude. It happens in my country too.

    In China, such things also always been reported including Dr get beaten up. Vietnam is still full of poverty people with no chance to get educated on moral values after all these wars. It will take another generation like China to change.

    May be one day you should just go up to China and travel around to understand your big neighbour better, and get direct feel of their people. The world is moving forward, Chinese are very pragmatic now.

    Also research from wider sources about Vietnam and China entangling issues, past war history, particular SCS spratly islands historical facts. Perhaps one day you can have better conclusion and able to help make the two neighbors to live cordially without been manipulated by US and Vietcon corrupted politicians to make your country as canon fodder like mine.

    At least we could see through US evil intention, and trying to resist our government msm propaganda to drive the country to joint the US evil axis confrontation with China.

    The US isn’t so complicated. It’s all supported by the voters 100%. The voters want the cops to shoot the poor. The voters want perpetual war. The voters want massive inequality. The voters want terrible schools. The voters want to give 50% of their income to the military. The voters read propaganda on the internet, then they decide they should go vote for all of the above anyway. American voting slaves are very stoic and faithful – one day they will vote for the right leaders.

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    American voting slaves are very stoic and faithful – one day they will vote for the right leaders.
     
    If they are stoic and faithful like NK that will be ok. Unfortunately the voters are faithful fanatics split into two parties that are same front office of MIC & WS, voting enthusiastically for the lesser evils.

    Sure they will vote for the right leader one day, ONLY when they have tried everything else as Churchill famously said.
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  116. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The Ming had many problems but the Dutch attacked them far earlier after setting up a colony on Taiwan(they called it Formosa). It was pretty evidently a colony since they took women and children to build port cities, which classically temporary traders such as the French do not.

    But in short, the Dutch leader decided to try his hand at piracy to force the Ming to open up trade further to them. This lead to multiple defeats, first at being repelled and later from a punitive force(The Ming collapse would come later, with the Manchus taking advantage of an internal rebellion). Yes, in the end, a remanant portion of the Ming destroyed the Dutch colony and held out against the Qing until his successor negotiated peace(he surrendered as a vassal).


    The Japanese have no axe to grind and so their views are probably fairly objective.
     
    The Japanese don't have an axe to grind with the Chinese? Especially in regards to Taiwan?

    But the Han Chinese rose to be the world’s largest ethnic group by displacing less well-organised people living on lands they coveted.

     

    Which would be untrue. Pretty much every acquisition at least has more complexity to it, even if it is "the natives asked for assistance, an army came in and then never left." There were some exceptions, such as Manchu wars for glory, Tang dynasty expansion w/ Turkish influence, etc. And as a typical rule, if the Chinese were attacked from a source(such as from Formosa or from the North), vast retaliation and even occupation as seen as acceptable(pacification campaigns).

    But as a general rule, the Chinese rarely engaged in actual conquest for territory. As noted before, it was rarely seen as profitable and indeed the Qianlong Emperor(who was Manchu) faced significant opposition in court, specifically from Han courtiers, against the notion of conquering non-Chinese people, often for "moral" reasons in the sense that it was foolish to arrogantly try to dominate others, while the welfare of current citizens could still be improved(warfare seen as a waste of treasure and glory as self-serving arrogance).

    Its simply a different mentality, which makes most mentions of the idea of Chinese conquest to be silly. Manchus or Mongols getting wiped out due to population pressures is probably the most extreme version of that. They came into China, they get sinicized and cease to have a culture of their own. Its cultural victory.

    The essential point is that areas once populated by people were not racially or culturally Chinese end up occupied by people who are racially and culturally Chinese.

    In other words, those areas were colonised by Han Chinese.

    The overwhelming majority of Manchurians are not of Manchu ancestry. Most Taiwanese are the descendants of settlers who arrived in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

    The same is incidentally true of Fujian province.

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    Because they invaded China and lost their culture. The Manchu are ethnically and genetically far more extant than they are culturally, something that they recognized themselves even in rulership of the Qing.

    The essential point is that invading China is typically suicidal; something which even the Japanese in their invasion of China were acutely aware of, and wrote quite a bit at the time of(their effort in Taiwan, in that sense, was a kind of model that they might be able to export the Imperial Rising Sun culture). It should be noted that to this day, there are ultraright gangs of Japan consider themselves to be the true inheritors of ancient Chinese civilization which modern Chinese have debased and without going too deeply into it, the Japanese arguably did indeed have genuinely adherents in China for their Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, though their atrocities rapidly destroyed any goodwill. At any rate, had they prevailed in China, they would likely used such arguments which would potentially put them in the same position as the Manchu.

    So, had Japan completed her conquest of China, and in a few hundred years, ceased to be Japan but a province of greater China, I would also hardly consider that be a "Chinese colonization." Just another invasion went wrong.

    As with many others here, its clear that you have an agenda and am far more interested in preaching it than following actual history(which is pretty public). Since this has been pretty extensively discussed at this point, I don't see a reason to extend it further.

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  117. @22pp22
    The Japanese couldn't care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism. We're not Japanese. That's all they need to know.

    Your intense lack of familiarity of the Japanese is showing. They do care, for among other reasons, because they believe that they have a good claim on Taiwan; Taiwan was also under Japanese rule which significantly less brutal than that in Korea and to which at least some of the population still favor Japan for. Japan has a complex attitude toward the world and Asia, but to believe that they are completely disinterested is silly and implies that you’re not a serious participant in this discussion.

    https://thediplomat.com/2013/08/china-and-japan-really-dont-like-each-other/

    One hardly needs to go further than the silly back and forth of invasion: Japan claims that Chinese forces invaded them first as part of the Yuan; therefore, retaliation justified their invasion of Korea as a land bridge to attack China(in 1500s). Chinese reinforcement of Korean forces defeated Japanese forces on land then, which led to the second justification of retaliation against China in the 1900s, etc. The current mess of the South China Sea is born largely out of the many contradicting treaties determining island ownership after multiple wars.

    Needless to say, Japan has always kept an interest in that.

    Their perspective naturally leads to an ideological bias which presents facts in a light as favorable as possible for themselves. This is especially true several decades ago(consider “The Japan that can say no”); at present Japan is dealing with economic difficulties and necessarily takes a less assertive position.

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    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
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  118. 22pp22 says:
    @Anonymous

    it allows to forgive and, actually, endear
     
    To forgive is commendable, and perhaps the Vietnamese are forgiving the Americans in spite of millions of dead Vietnamese and the ongoing poisoning of their country by megatons of chemicals dropped by the Yanks.

    Yet I don't see the Vietnamese forgiving China, which has done far less damage to Vietnam, by orders of magnitude.

    I think my explanation still holds: their brains have been poisoned by Agent Orange.

    I do not speak Vietnamese or know Vietnam, but the Vietnamese beat the USA and France. I can only assume this is an immense source of pride rather than hatred.

    A couple of million Vietnamese died under Japanese occupation but Japanese I know who have visited the country have never encountered any hostility.

    The Japanese, French and American threats belong to the past. Rightly of wrongly, the Vietnamese perceive the Chinese to be a threat now and in the future.

    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.

    I feel the same way about Australia and New Zealand.

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    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.
     
    Meaning the U.S. doesn't want Vietnam to be friendly to China, regardless of what would be best for the Vietnamese themselves. The cynicism of the AngloZionist Empire knows no bounds.

    Of course, the Vietnamese are free to stay away from China and stay poor, even as their neighbors get rich. This colossal stupidity can only be explained by the damage to their brains caused by the megatons of Agent Orange dropped on their heads by the friendly Uncle Sam.

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  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t use Huawei phones, say heads of FBI, CIA, and NSA. Download porn, look for drugs and post on Unz review only with approved equipment.

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    Didn't its 5Eyes and Prism program already have every world corners and people covered, all foreign leaders & Potus phone tapped? Why still need a NSA approved device for porn viewing tracking?
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  120. @22pp22
    The essential point is that areas once populated by people were not racially or culturally Chinese end up occupied by people who are racially and culturally Chinese.

    In other words, those areas were colonised by Han Chinese.

    The overwhelming majority of Manchurians are not of Manchu ancestry. Most Taiwanese are the descendants of settlers who arrived in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

    The same is incidentally true of Fujian province.

    Because they invaded China and lost their culture. The Manchu are ethnically and genetically far more extant than they are culturally, something that they recognized themselves even in rulership of the Qing.

    The essential point is that invading China is typically suicidal; something which even the Japanese in their invasion of China were acutely aware of, and wrote quite a bit at the time of(their effort in Taiwan, in that sense, was a kind of model that they might be able to export the Imperial Rising Sun culture). It should be noted that to this day, there are ultraright gangs of Japan consider themselves to be the true inheritors of ancient Chinese civilization which modern Chinese have debased and without going too deeply into it, the Japanese arguably did indeed have genuinely adherents in China for their Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, though their atrocities rapidly destroyed any goodwill. At any rate, had they prevailed in China, they would likely used such arguments which would potentially put them in the same position as the Manchu.

    So, had Japan completed her conquest of China, and in a few hundred years, ceased to be Japan but a province of greater China, I would also hardly consider that be a “Chinese colonization.” Just another invasion went wrong.

    As with many others here, its clear that you have an agenda and am far more interested in preaching it than following actual history(which is pretty public). Since this has been pretty extensively discussed at this point, I don’t see a reason to extend it further.

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  121. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Your intense lack of familiarity of the Japanese is showing. They do care, for among other reasons, because they believe that they have a good claim on Taiwan; Taiwan was also under Japanese rule which significantly less brutal than that in Korea and to which at least some of the population still favor Japan for. Japan has a complex attitude toward the world and Asia, but to believe that they are completely disinterested is silly and implies that you're not a serious participant in this discussion.

    https://thediplomat.com/2013/08/china-and-japan-really-dont-like-each-other/

    One hardly needs to go further than the silly back and forth of invasion: Japan claims that Chinese forces invaded them first as part of the Yuan; therefore, retaliation justified their invasion of Korea as a land bridge to attack China(in 1500s). Chinese reinforcement of Korean forces defeated Japanese forces on land then, which led to the second justification of retaliation against China in the 1900s, etc. The current mess of the South China Sea is born largely out of the many contradicting treaties determining island ownership after multiple wars.

    Needless to say, Japan has always kept an interest in that.

    Their perspective naturally leads to an ideological bias which presents facts in a light as favorable as possible for themselves. This is especially true several decades ago(consider "The Japan that can say no"); at present Japan is dealing with economic difficulties and necessarily takes a less assertive position.

    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi’s invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

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    This has little to do with actual political annexation - which would be ridiculous and financially unviable; this probably has more actual support within Taiwan from the Greens than in Japan. Nonetheless, the ideological lens that Taiwan presumably prospered best under Imperial control is not an uncommon belief when thought is given to it(and historians writing about it would definitely be individuals who give it such thought).

    Politically, this lingers, and is among other reasons is a reason why the current Taiwanese government has been aligning with the Japanese. That there is and remains intense mutual dislike between the Chinese and the Japanese partly due to history, and intensified by conflict of interests rather than "disinterest" is so obviously documented that I hardly need express it further.

    That you think that a casual "understanding" of an intensely private culture gives you vast insights speaks more about yourself than anyone else. That Japan is currently in an overall fallen state of general ahedonia overall is more of an issue with their economic and political marginalization than any deeper consideration of what they believe in.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

     

    Unlike the Chinese, the Japanese did not have eight nations split up parts of it and attack them in order to force them to accept drugs. There is not even equivalency to this part.


    I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
     
    Yes, your bias has been showing for some time.

    Bye.
    , @denk

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.
     
    What if someone wouldnt let the Chinese forget ?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=abe+731&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fshoebat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2F14214144.jpg

    Thats the Jp way of saying Im sorry for ww2 but...

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=middle+finger+gif&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FEbu8aRL2qxMzK%2Fgiphy.gif

    We'r gonna git ya again chinaman. !


    Yeah the Chinese sure have this big chip on their shoulder,
    they just wouldnt let bygone be bygone !

    hehehehehe
    , @Anon

    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese.
     
    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.

    The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars.
     
    Yah, Iraqis still obsess with Blair's WMD war, just forget and move on like forgetful British, what's the big deal with a million collateral deaths. And Anglos still obsess about where to wage the next Iraq war after Syria.

    To teach younger generation about dark history so as not to repeat same mistake is not obsess. Otherwise European should never discuss Nazis war.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
     
    7yrs to grab the wrong side of the Japanese ass. Peel off the stamps sticking on your blurring eyes next time.

    Many Chinese have move down there not to meet biased colonist like you who had slaughtered indigenous to rob their land, but for the love of the peaceful country and friendly natives who welcome their new weathy kins with open arms.

    Go back UK, Blair is waiting for you to share same values, by boat or air. Then Chinese been there well before your arrival won't need to meet you.
    , @Anon
    You have to try harder with your Japan Samurai sword is for sushi cutting story.
    , @denk

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.
     
    The Brits 'regrets' but never appologise for the Opium war to this day,.
    its all history now !
    they sniff.

    Exept the attack on China never stop !

    UK is a staunch member of the anti Chinese fukusI[ndia] axis.
    MI6 have been up tp its eyeballs in Tibet/Xinjiang/HK destabilsation .

    100 years aftrer london sent its gunboats up the Yangtzi to force opium down Chinese throat, the Brits are coming back with a vengence.

    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on......just like the jp, ?
    , @Joe Wong
    The West particularly the Anglo and their sidekick the unrepentant war criminal Japs thought that as long as they never mentions and discusses the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace, war crimes and racial genocides they committed around the world over centuries, they can claim moral high ground thru white washing and glossing over their sins and crimes with fabricated “a fusion of Judeo-Christian morality and Greco-Roman ethics.” In fact the West proved that “a fusion of Judeo-Christian morality and Greco-Roman ethics” is the largest hypocrisy of mankind claimed by the psychopaths, criminals, swindlers, murderers, ... the trashes of humanity that have never seen in human history.

    The perpetrators always want to blame the victims not forgetting their crimes and harms inflected on them predatory. The perpetrators insist "let bygone be bygone, moaning is not helpful," so that they can sweep their record clean and recommit the crimes like their barbaric forebears without moral burden, this is their psychopathic nature. The suffering in the ME, SE Asia and South America in the hands of these repeat psychopathic offenders is appalling, yet they are still blaming the victims for not let bygone be bygone.
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  122. @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    This has little to do with actual political annexation – which would be ridiculous and financially unviable; this probably has more actual support within Taiwan from the Greens than in Japan. Nonetheless, the ideological lens that Taiwan presumably prospered best under Imperial control is not an uncommon belief when thought is given to it(and historians writing about it would definitely be individuals who give it such thought).

    Politically, this lingers, and is among other reasons is a reason why the current Taiwanese government has been aligning with the Japanese. That there is and remains intense mutual dislike between the Chinese and the Japanese partly due to history, and intensified by conflict of interests rather than “disinterest” is so obviously documented that I hardly need express it further.

    That you think that a casual “understanding” of an intensely private culture gives you vast insights speaks more about yourself than anyone else. That Japan is currently in an overall fallen state of general ahedonia overall is more of an issue with their economic and political marginalization than any deeper consideration of what they believe in.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    Unlike the Chinese, the Japanese did not have eight nations split up parts of it and attack them in order to force them to accept drugs. There is not even equivalency to this part.

    I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    Yes, your bias has been showing for some time.

    Bye.

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    The man who would have been my great uncle was murdered by the Japanese, but the war ended over two decades before I was born and I am not interested in dining out on hatred.

    天皇陛下万歳!
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  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    I do not speak Vietnamese or know Vietnam, but the Vietnamese beat the USA and France. I can only assume this is an immense source of pride rather than hatred.

    A couple of million Vietnamese died under Japanese occupation but Japanese I know who have visited the country have never encountered any hostility.

    The Japanese, French and American threats belong to the past. Rightly of wrongly, the Vietnamese perceive the Chinese to be a threat now and in the future.

    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.

    I feel the same way about Australia and New Zealand.

    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.

    Meaning the U.S. doesn’t want Vietnam to be friendly to China, regardless of what would be best for the Vietnamese themselves. The cynicism of the AngloZionist Empire knows no bounds.

    Of course, the Vietnamese are free to stay away from China and stay poor, even as their neighbors get rich. This colossal stupidity can only be explained by the damage to their brains caused by the megatons of Agent Orange dropped on their heads by the friendly Uncle Sam.

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    Vietnam depends on China. Chinese tourists bring cash money to the 'Nam. There is still the ongoing scrum in the South China Sea but China ships a ton of shit into Vietnam: consumer goods, raw materials. The Chinese mobilize dirt cheap Viet labor and put factories there, stuff gets made and gets shipped back into China.

    Survival depends on the ability to forget. Children anywhere look on with curiosity: the wailing rage of some war or idea from the past. Forgotten and buried by younger generations who thrive.
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  124. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This has little to do with actual political annexation - which would be ridiculous and financially unviable; this probably has more actual support within Taiwan from the Greens than in Japan. Nonetheless, the ideological lens that Taiwan presumably prospered best under Imperial control is not an uncommon belief when thought is given to it(and historians writing about it would definitely be individuals who give it such thought).

    Politically, this lingers, and is among other reasons is a reason why the current Taiwanese government has been aligning with the Japanese. That there is and remains intense mutual dislike between the Chinese and the Japanese partly due to history, and intensified by conflict of interests rather than "disinterest" is so obviously documented that I hardly need express it further.

    That you think that a casual "understanding" of an intensely private culture gives you vast insights speaks more about yourself than anyone else. That Japan is currently in an overall fallen state of general ahedonia overall is more of an issue with their economic and political marginalization than any deeper consideration of what they believe in.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

     

    Unlike the Chinese, the Japanese did not have eight nations split up parts of it and attack them in order to force them to accept drugs. There is not even equivalency to this part.


    I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
     
    Yes, your bias has been showing for some time.

    Bye.

    The man who would have been my great uncle was murdered by the Japanese, but the war ended over two decades before I was born and I am not interested in dining out on hatred.

    天皇陛下万歳!

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    "天皇陛下万歳!" Long live Japanese Emperor! Thank for the confirmation. I wonder how long will it last... until the day you have no choice but have to buy them expensive services after they give you such good deal on high speed train as they did to Taiwan? or someday you do not need to suck up to them to counter China?

    So Japan has no chips on their shoulder, except it refuse to admit atrocity committed at pacific rim in WWII. That is not a chip of course, it is crime against humanity.
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  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    They do not wish their country to be an economic appendage of China.
     
    Meaning the U.S. doesn't want Vietnam to be friendly to China, regardless of what would be best for the Vietnamese themselves. The cynicism of the AngloZionist Empire knows no bounds.

    Of course, the Vietnamese are free to stay away from China and stay poor, even as their neighbors get rich. This colossal stupidity can only be explained by the damage to their brains caused by the megatons of Agent Orange dropped on their heads by the friendly Uncle Sam.

    Vietnam depends on China. Chinese tourists bring cash money to the ‘Nam. There is still the ongoing scrum in the South China Sea but China ships a ton of shit into Vietnam: consumer goods, raw materials. The Chinese mobilize dirt cheap Viet labor and put factories there, stuff gets made and gets shipped back into China.

    Survival depends on the ability to forget. Children anywhere look on with curiosity: the wailing rage of some war or idea from the past. Forgotten and buried by younger generations who thrive.

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  126. denk says:
    @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    What if someone wouldnt let the Chinese forget ?

    Thats the Jp way of saying Im sorry for ww2 but…

    We’r gonna git ya again chinaman. !

    Yeah the Chinese sure have this big chip on their shoulder,
    they just wouldnt let bygone be bygone !

    hehehehehe

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    Google is going all out to make life difficult for people who frequent alternate media, they'r even tweeking their image search we can no longer post a gif or video on UNZ,
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  127. denk says:
    @denk

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.
     
    What if someone wouldnt let the Chinese forget ?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=abe+731&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fshoebat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2F14214144.jpg

    Thats the Jp way of saying Im sorry for ww2 but...

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=middle+finger+gif&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FEbu8aRL2qxMzK%2Fgiphy.gif

    We'r gonna git ya again chinaman. !


    Yeah the Chinese sure have this big chip on their shoulder,
    they just wouldnt let bygone be bygone !

    hehehehehe

    Google is going all out to make life difficult for people who frequent alternate media, they’r even tweeking their image search we can no longer post a gif or video on UNZ,

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  128. J L says:
    @22pp22
    The man who would have been my great uncle was murdered by the Japanese, but the war ended over two decades before I was born and I am not interested in dining out on hatred.

    天皇陛下万歳!

    “天皇陛下万歳!” Long live Japanese Emperor! Thank for the confirmation. I wonder how long will it last… until the day you have no choice but have to buy them expensive services after they give you such good deal on high speed train as they did to Taiwan? or someday you do not need to suck up to them to counter China?

    So Japan has no chips on their shoulder, except it refuse to admit atrocity committed at pacific rim in WWII. That is not a chip of course, it is crime against humanity.

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  129. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The US isn't so complicated. It's all supported by the voters 100%. The voters want the cops to shoot the poor. The voters want perpetual war. The voters want massive inequality. The voters want terrible schools. The voters want to give 50% of their income to the military. The voters read propaganda on the internet, then they decide they should go vote for all of the above anyway. American voting slaves are very stoic and faithful - one day they will vote for the right leaders.

    American voting slaves are very stoic and faithful – one day they will vote for the right leaders.

    If they are stoic and faithful like NK that will be ok. Unfortunately the voters are faithful fanatics split into two parties that are same front office of MIC & WS, voting enthusiastically for the lesser evils.

    Sure they will vote for the right leader one day, ONLY when they have tried everything else as Churchill famously said.

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  130. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese.

    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.

    The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars.

    Yah, Iraqis still obsess with Blair’s WMD war, just forget and move on like forgetful British, what’s the big deal with a million collateral deaths. And Anglos still obsess about where to wage the next Iraq war after Syria.

    To teach younger generation about dark history so as not to repeat same mistake is not obsess. Otherwise European should never discuss Nazis war.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    7yrs to grab the wrong side of the Japanese ass. Peel off the stamps sticking on your blurring eyes next time.

    Many Chinese have move down there not to meet biased colonist like you who had slaughtered indigenous to rob their land, but for the love of the peaceful country and friendly natives who welcome their new weathy kins with open arms.

    Go back UK, Blair is waiting for you to share same values, by boat or air. Then Chinese been there well before your arrival won’t need to meet you.

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    I have lived in Korea. Can't stand the place.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.
    , @22pp22
    Trolling Chinese is so easy. Take a chill pill.
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  131. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Don't use Huawei phones, say heads of FBI, CIA, and NSA. Download porn, look for drugs and post on Unz review only with approved equipment.

    Didn’t its 5Eyes and Prism program already have every world corners and people covered, all foreign leaders & Potus phone tapped? Why still need a NSA approved device for porn viewing tracking?

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  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “A community can’t survive without a collective memory”. Sure, that’s almost tautologous. But how far does that collective memory have to be true in order to bind the community?

    Given the spread of what os nominslly education to the unintelligent from culturally limited backgrounds how far is it possible for there to be histories which will bind whole communities?

    Add the extraordinary anility of people with wuite respectable cognitive abilities to believe nonsende like Creationism or Intelligent Design and what hope is thete?

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  133. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    Your views on Japan are seriously out of date.

    They care about the Kuriles and the Senkaku Islands, but beyond that they couldn't care less what you or I think. If the entire population of China died tomorrow, it might just make page three of the Asahi Shinbun.

    Chinese people have a mixture of an inferiority complex and a superiority complex which makes them very very touchy. Japanese people couldn't care less about the relative wickedness of European or Chinese colonialism.

    We're not Japanese. That's all they need to know.

    They care about the Kuriles and the Senkaku Islands, but beyond that they couldn’t care less what you or I think. If the entire population of China died tomorrow, it might just make page three of the Asahi Shinbun.

    So they need to conduct many military provocation by gifting various weapons to Vietnam & Philippines, collaborate with US, Australia & India military to contain China, actively instigate Aseans in SCS crisis, sabotaging China Obor rail projects everywhere in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Africa, India,… developing new aircraft/copter carrier, missles, submarines for a Coastal Defense Force that is one of world largest most advanced military, all for that little Kuriles and Diaoyu island concern?

    Then quarrel with SKorea demanding their xxx island..make artificial island ontop faraway outcrop corals to illegally claim EEZ….that they really care less. Reinterpret & rewriting constitution that enabled the nation to wage war that they care less.

    You got to try harder with your Jap Samurai sword is for sushi propaganda.

    If entire China population died, Japan will has to clean their ass with bare hand and Asahi Shinbun ceased to print. But entire Anglos disappearance has little impact to everyone life, as many better Europeans, Jews, Asians… can replace them quickly. Asahi Shinbun probably won’t notice, except the world has finally relieve from the greatest war mongering ethnic in last few centuries. Most wars will cease itself.

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  134. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    You have to try harder with your Japan Samurai sword is for sushi cutting story.

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  135. 22pp22 says:
    @Anon

    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese.
     
    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.

    The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars.
     
    Yah, Iraqis still obsess with Blair's WMD war, just forget and move on like forgetful British, what's the big deal with a million collateral deaths. And Anglos still obsess about where to wage the next Iraq war after Syria.

    To teach younger generation about dark history so as not to repeat same mistake is not obsess. Otherwise European should never discuss Nazis war.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
     
    7yrs to grab the wrong side of the Japanese ass. Peel off the stamps sticking on your blurring eyes next time.

    Many Chinese have move down there not to meet biased colonist like you who had slaughtered indigenous to rob their land, but for the love of the peaceful country and friendly natives who welcome their new weathy kins with open arms.

    Go back UK, Blair is waiting for you to share same values, by boat or air. Then Chinese been there well before your arrival won't need to meet you.

    I have lived in Korea. Can’t stand the place.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.

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    What did Korea has or done that make you can't stand it? Didn't we Korean are your best Asia allies with your gun pointed at our temple to abide your wish, right at China doorstep.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.
     
    Do you blame Russian and ex-Soviet people for Stalin's brutality? Stalin is a Georgian by the way, his wife a jews, got nothing to do with Russians & Ukrainian that are the main victims.

    I have few knowledge to comment on Mao, but whatever Mao had done doesn't warrant any foolish blanket attack on China now since Mr Deng Xiao Peng and most Chinese didn't begged for such tragedy. They themselves are the victims under Mao's policies, so why do you still insanely want them to be punish further for Mao's action?

    As Mr Deng openly pointed out, Mao merits was more than his faults, 70/30. Why do they think so? I don't know, probably as Chinese had said, Mao let Chinese stand up against bully. Deng let Chinese stop hungry. New leaders like Xi let Chinese prosperous.

    In fact in some forums i was surprised to read some young Chinese intellectual defending Mao's cultural revolution. There she said, put aside all those destruction & suffering, Mao's revolution actually broken down the class different between the Rich elites and Poor peasants. Since, the poor Chinese no longer felt inferrior and intimidate by the rich elites, the society could actually progress in equal footing on merits based. That is an important achievement, she noted.

    In many countries class differences are a great barrier for the poor to progress. India as biggest Democracy nation, is sadly, still deep in caste system till today that hinder their country progress greatly. We probably have taken for granted our countries are by default allowed the poor to achieve by his own merits now.

    Unlike Anglos who proudly participated to massacre other nations, or Germans actively participating in Nazis war crimes, Chinese didn't do anything to others but a victim themselves. So its time anglos should at least stop all sinophobe if they couldn't help to atone their ancestors sins.

    Why do you old educated anglos, instead of grow in wisdom with age to try bring peace and truth to the world, are still in old time hubris enthusiastically spreading fake imperialism stories even in independent sites? Are you going to die with your life filled with lies and ill wills till last moment, then what do you expect of your aftermath?

    You are indeed a foolish old anglo troll. Stop taking opiods for your hallucination.
    , @Anon

    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.
     
    You haven't answered my question. If you did only studied Japanese propaganda only, pls stop regurgitate your rubbish here. Go to your Japanese Imperial owner to howl 天皇陛下万歳!! 活该杀我大英帝国残忍殖民畜生。You might get a pat on head with some rewards.

    Hopefully you are not in academic teaching or advising any down under government policies to corrupt them with your stupidity.
    , @Joe Wong
    You should know if you trip in your house and fell on a knife that’s somehow inconveniently sticking from the floor – it’s called domestic accident. If you instead took that knife and went to your neighbour’s house and tried to stage an “accident” there – it’s called murder. Apparently you have to be a genius to figure that one out.
    (a rebuttal the excuse the Japanese and western war crimes and crimes against humanity are not crimes because Mao or any other national leaders killed so many of their own people.)

    Meanwhile a lot of White said killing 6 millions of Jews by the Germans (a member of Anglo Saxon) in 7 years was scientifically impossible, yet the same lot has no trouble taking the other scientifically impossible number fabricated by the cognitive liars, the Anglo Saxon, as given truth. Your double think mindset possessed by the 'god-fearing' morally defunct evil 'puritans' is indeed a trouble concern about the insanity of humanity.
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  136. 22pp22 says:
    @Anon

    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese.
     
    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.

    The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars.
     
    Yah, Iraqis still obsess with Blair's WMD war, just forget and move on like forgetful British, what's the big deal with a million collateral deaths. And Anglos still obsess about where to wage the next Iraq war after Syria.

    To teach younger generation about dark history so as not to repeat same mistake is not obsess. Otherwise European should never discuss Nazis war.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.
     
    7yrs to grab the wrong side of the Japanese ass. Peel off the stamps sticking on your blurring eyes next time.

    Many Chinese have move down there not to meet biased colonist like you who had slaughtered indigenous to rob their land, but for the love of the peaceful country and friendly natives who welcome their new weathy kins with open arms.

    Go back UK, Blair is waiting for you to share same values, by boat or air. Then Chinese been there well before your arrival won't need to meet you.

    Trolling Chinese is so easy. Take a chill pill.

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  137. denk says:
    @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    The Brits ‘regrets’ but never appologise for the Opium war to this day,.
    its all history now !
    they sniff.

    Exept the attack on China never stop !

    UK is a staunch member of the anti Chinese fukusI[ndia] axis.
    MI6 have been up tp its eyeballs in Tibet/Xinjiang/HK destabilsation .

    100 years aftrer london sent its gunboats up the Yangtzi to force opium down Chinese throat, the Brits are coming back with a vengence.

    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on……just like the jp, ?

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    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on……just like the jp, ?
     
    Denk, can UK aircraft/c work? They dont even have $ for their deteriorating healthcare and education, or new nuclear power plants. 10% Britons struggle to put food on table, often go hungry, worst than Hungary, Estonia, Slovakia and Malta.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/06/more-than-8-million-in-uk-struggle-to-put-food-on-table-survey-says

    Didn't PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?

    Yes Chinese shldn't complaint, juz sent gunboat and warplanes to buzz UK warships in SCS, like they did to every Russia navy, with defense minister & generals scream in every front page news :" Kwailows are attacking, another opium war. Get ready to fight." Have Liaoning ac conduct live firing in its doorstep with Russia Navy, and Falkland with Agentina Navy. Then put everything behind like jp. No big deal huh.
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  138. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    I have lived in Korea. Can't stand the place.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.

    What did Korea has or done that make you can’t stand it? Didn’t we Korean are your best Asia allies with your gun pointed at our temple to abide your wish, right at China doorstep.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.

    Do you blame Russian and ex-Soviet people for Stalin’s brutality? Stalin is a Georgian by the way, his wife a jews, got nothing to do with Russians & Ukrainian that are the main victims.

    I have few knowledge to comment on Mao, but whatever Mao had done doesn’t warrant any foolish blanket attack on China now since Mr Deng Xiao Peng and most Chinese didn’t begged for such tragedy. They themselves are the victims under Mao’s policies, so why do you still insanely want them to be punish further for Mao’s action?

    As Mr Deng openly pointed out, Mao merits was more than his faults, 70/30. Why do they think so? I don’t know, probably as Chinese had said, Mao let Chinese stand up against bully. Deng let Chinese stop hungry. New leaders like Xi let Chinese prosperous.

    In fact in some forums i was surprised to read some young Chinese intellectual defending Mao’s cultural revolution. There she said, put aside all those destruction & suffering, Mao’s revolution actually broken down the class different between the Rich elites and Poor peasants. Since, the poor Chinese no longer felt inferrior and intimidate by the rich elites, the society could actually progress in equal footing on merits based. That is an important achievement, she noted.

    In many countries class differences are a great barrier for the poor to progress. India as biggest Democracy nation, is sadly, still deep in caste system till today that hinder their country progress greatly. We probably have taken for granted our countries are by default allowed the poor to achieve by his own merits now.

    Unlike Anglos who proudly participated to massacre other nations, or Germans actively participating in Nazis war crimes, Chinese didn’t do anything to others but a victim themselves. So its time anglos should at least stop all sinophobe if they couldn’t help to atone their ancestors sins.

    Why do you old educated anglos, instead of grow in wisdom with age to try bring peace and truth to the world, are still in old time hubris enthusiastically spreading fake imperialism stories even in independent sites? Are you going to die with your life filled with lies and ill wills till last moment, then what do you expect of your aftermath?

    You are indeed a foolish old anglo troll. Stop taking opiods for your hallucination.

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  139. denk says:
    @22pp22
    Trolling Chinese is so easy. Take a chill pill.

    Is it mandatory that trolling idiots always come with an idiotic moniker ?

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  140. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    I have lived in Korea. Can't stand the place.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.

    Did you finish your Asian Studies solely in Japan, gobble up all Japanese propaganda faithfully? UK has good Oriental studies that hardly shown in your ignorant. Japanese text books still deny many of their WW2 atrocities, which has now become your sacred holy bible of truth.

    You haven’t answered my question. If you did only studied Japanese propaganda only, pls stop regurgitate your rubbish here. Go to your Japanese Imperial owner to howl 天皇陛下万歳!! 活该杀我大英帝国残忍殖民畜生。You might get a pat on head with some rewards.

    Hopefully you are not in academic teaching or advising any down under government policies to corrupt them with your stupidity.

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  141. Joe Wong says:
    @22pp22
    I have lived in Korea. Can't stand the place.

    PS. Mao killed orders of magnitude more Chinese than white people ever did and they have him on their bank notes.

    You should know if you trip in your house and fell on a knife that’s somehow inconveniently sticking from the floor – it’s called domestic accident. If you instead took that knife and went to your neighbour’s house and tried to stage an “accident” there – it’s called murder. Apparently you have to be a genius to figure that one out.
    (a rebuttal the excuse the Japanese and western war crimes and crimes against humanity are not crimes because Mao or any other national leaders killed so many of their own people.)

    Meanwhile a lot of White said killing 6 millions of Jews by the Germans (a member of Anglo Saxon) in 7 years was scientifically impossible, yet the same lot has no trouble taking the other scientifically impossible number fabricated by the cognitive liars, the Anglo Saxon, as given truth. Your double think mindset possessed by the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘puritans’ is indeed a trouble concern about the insanity of humanity.

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  142. TT says:
    @denk

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.
     
    The Brits 'regrets' but never appologise for the Opium war to this day,.
    its all history now !
    they sniff.

    Exept the attack on China never stop !

    UK is a staunch member of the anti Chinese fukusI[ndia] axis.
    MI6 have been up tp its eyeballs in Tibet/Xinjiang/HK destabilsation .

    100 years aftrer london sent its gunboats up the Yangtzi to force opium down Chinese throat, the Brits are coming back with a vengence.

    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on......just like the jp, ?

    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on……just like the jp, ?

    Denk, can UK aircraft/c work? They dont even have $ for their deteriorating healthcare and education, or new nuclear power plants. 10% Britons struggle to put food on table, often go hungry, worst than Hungary, Estonia, Slovakia and Malta.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/06/more-than-8-million-in-uk-struggle-to-put-food-on-table-survey-says

    Didn’t PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?

    Yes Chinese shldn’t complaint, juz sent gunboat and warplanes to buzz UK warships in SCS, like they did to every Russia navy, with defense minister & generals scream in every front page news :” Kwailows are attacking, another opium war. Get ready to fight.” Have Liaoning ac conduct live firing in its doorstep with Russia Navy, and Falkland with Agentina Navy. Then put everything behind like jp. No big deal huh.

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    Didn’t PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?
     
    Thats the trouble with this five eyes gang, all god damned hypocrites,

    murkka MNC want Chinese market, meanwhile Washington wanna detach some pieces from China. They even concocted a funny word for it, congagement.
    meaning to contain and engage at the same time,
    this is just whiteys double speak for 'I want your monies , but I wanna screw your all the same' !

    Ditto that 'lucky country', Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the 'yellow peril' B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, 'ally', when uncle sham barks 'jump', the Aussies could only woof 'how high my lord'. !

    The troll with the idiotic moniker 22p says he doesnt wanna see Oz to become an economic appendage to China, as if being a 'deputy sheriff' to the 'world cop', the west's most wanted outlaw, is anything to crow about !

    hhhhhh

    Notice how Canberra is getting hysterical on the China gate all cuz some senator' cozy relation with a Chinese tycoon !


    FUKUS M.O. is typically
    Your money or your life,
    Those who open itself wide for uncle sham would be left alone or become uncle's concubine, like India/

    With China, its
    Your money AND your life !


    Chinese have damn good reasons to fukus,
    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese .....
    They'r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???
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  143. Joe Wong says:
    @22pp22
    I lived in Japan for seven years, speak Japanese and know hundreds of Japanese. The only people who think like that are members of the Aikokuto and they are a tiny minority. I have never met anyone who wants to annex Taiwan.

    Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea and the Mongol Invasions are ancient history. Modern Japanese give them very little thought unless they have to pass a high school history exam.

    It is the Chinese who have an enormous chip on their shoulder, not the Japanese. The Chinese still obsess about the Opium Wars. The Japanese have moved on from that kind of thinking.

    You clearly have little experience of the Japanese. I would happily have nothing to do with the Chinese, but so many of them have moved here they are hard to avoid.

    The West particularly the Anglo and their sidekick the unrepentant war criminal Japs thought that as long as they never mentions and discusses the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace, war crimes and racial genocides they committed around the world over centuries, they can claim moral high ground thru white washing and glossing over their sins and crimes with fabricated “a fusion of Judeo-Christian morality and Greco-Roman ethics.” In fact the West proved that “a fusion of Judeo-Christian morality and Greco-Roman ethics” is the largest hypocrisy of mankind claimed by the psychopaths, criminals, swindlers, murderers, … the trashes of humanity that have never seen in human history.

    The perpetrators always want to blame the victims not forgetting their crimes and harms inflected on them predatory. The perpetrators insist “let bygone be bygone, moaning is not helpful,” so that they can sweep their record clean and recommit the crimes like their barbaric forebears without moral burden, this is their psychopathic nature. The suffering in the ME, SE Asia and South America in the hands of these repeat psychopathic offenders is appalling, yet they are still blaming the victims for not let bygone be bygone.

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  144. TT says:

    Let’s see these countries that are beating war drums to contain China and stir SCS confrontation, their poverty rate:

    UK 14Mil 20%, 1 in 5. got $ to build air/c to cruise SCS, built new nuclear sub.

    India 270Mil 20%, 1 in 5. world No.1 weapon buyers, with fleets of air/c, nuclear subs, …

    Japan 23Mil 16%, 1 in 6. World top militarization country

    Australia 3Mil 13.3% 1 in 7, will spent tens of billions for next gen subs.

    Vietnam

    They muz have too many people like 22pp22 in their gov. Now he moved down under, hope he not add new poverty burden to stir sinophobe there when

    These countries instead of feeding their poor people, prefer to spent tens of billions in military to contain China that are their biggest trading partners.

    UK 20% 14Mil poverty

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_Kingdom

    As of 2017, 20% of UK people live in poverty including 8 million working-age adults, 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners.

    UK 8Mil 10% struggle to put food on table

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/771694/poverty-UK-almost-five-million-Brits-all-day-without-eating/amp

    POVERTY IN UK: Almost five MILLION Brits regularly go ALL DAY without eating
    ALMOST five million Brits regularly go without eating for a whole day because they cannot afford to buy food, a study has found. And more than eight million people live in households which struggle to put food on the table.

    India 270Mil, 20% in poverty

    http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/infographic/2016/05/27/india-s-poverty-profile

    Japan 16% in poverty

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Japan

    Another study showed that 4 out of 5 Japanese women in the age group of 20-64, and those who live alone, were living in poverty.[7]

    Australia 3Mil 13.3% poverty, 17.4% children poverty

    http://www.acoss.org.au/poverty/

    In October 2016, ACOSS released a new report revealing that poverty is growing in Australia, with an estimated 2.9 million people or 13.3% of all people living below the internationally accepted poverty line.It found that 731,300 or 17.4% of all children were living in poverty in Australia.

    NZ 1/7 live in poverty, 1/3 children in poverty

    http://nzccss.org.nz/work/poverty/facts-about-poverty/

    There is poverty amidst prosperity: There are around 682,500 people in poverty in this country or one in seven households, including around 220,000 children or (1/3)

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  145. TT says:

    China 30Mil 2% poverty
    While China working to eradicate poverty totally by 2020, and bring prosperity to poorer provinces, other countries UK, Australia, Japan, India, that are all in high poverty rate, lead by bankrupted US, instead of trying to feed their poors, are splashing hundreds of billions to crank up military seek confrontation with China.

    Vietnam with fast developing economic and lower poverty 8%, instead of choosing continuous prosperous peaceful path with its rich neighbour, has decided better to latch with the high poverty countries to dance with US war drum, spending billions buying US & India weapons. Where is the logics, war vs peaceful prosperity? Linh chooses China swallow Vietnam rhetoric instead.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

    As of 2018 the number of people in poverty living below the national poverty line is around 30 million, about 2% of the population.[7] With hopes of eradicating poverty by 2020.

    US 43Mil 14.5% poverty in 2015, millions homeless.

    In 2015, 13.5% (43.1 million) of Americans lived in poverty.[6]
    Recent census data shows that half the population qualifies as poor or low income,[13] with one in five Millennials living in poverty.[14]
    In 2011, child poverty reached record high levels, with 16.7 million children living in food insecure households, about 35% more than 2007 levels.[16] A 2013 UNICEF report ranked the U.S. as having the second highest relative child poverty rates in the developed world.[17] According to a 2016 study by the Urban Institute, teenagers in low income communities are often forced to join gangs, save school lunches, sell drugs or exchange sexual favors because they cannot afford food.[18]

    Vietnam 7+Mil 8.4% live in poverty.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Vietnam

    Thereby, the poverty rate decreases gradually from 58 percent in 1993 to 28.9 percent in 2002, 14.5 percent in 2008 and 12 percent in 2011. About 28 million people are estimated to have been lifted out of poverty over approximately two decades.[2] The 2014 Global Hunger Index (GHI) Report ranked Vietnam 15th amongst 81 nations suffering from hunger, with a GHI of 7.5 compared with 27.7 in 1990 (country with extremely alarming (GHI ≥ 30), alarming (GHI between 20.0 and 29.9) or serious (GHI between 10.0 and 19.9) hunger situation.[3] Achievements in poverty reduction and hunger eradication have been highly appreciated by the international community and viewed overall as successful in furthering economic development.

    Based on a report from the Asian Development Bank, Viet Nam has a total population of 91.70 million as of 2015, about one million people more compared to the previous year.[5] 8.4% of the population lived below the national poverty line.

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    Poor people in UKUSNZOz are usually very fat.
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  146. 22pp22 says:
    @TT
    China 30Mil 2% poverty
    While China working to eradicate poverty totally by 2020, and bring prosperity to poorer provinces, other countries UK, Australia, Japan, India, that are all in high poverty rate, lead by bankrupted US, instead of trying to feed their poors, are splashing hundreds of billions to crank up military seek confrontation with China.

    Vietnam with fast developing economic and lower poverty 8%, instead of choosing continuous prosperous peaceful path with its rich neighbour, has decided better to latch with the high poverty countries to dance with US war drum, spending billions buying US & India weapons. Where is the logics, war vs peaceful prosperity? Linh chooses China swallow Vietnam rhetoric instead.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

    As of 2018 the number of people in poverty living below the national poverty line is around 30 million, about 2% of the population.[7] With hopes of eradicating poverty by 2020.
     
    US 43Mil 14.5% poverty in 2015, millions homeless.

    In 2015, 13.5% (43.1 million) of Americans lived in poverty.[6]
    Recent census data shows that half the population qualifies as poor or low income,[13] with one in five Millennials living in poverty.[14]
    In 2011, child poverty reached record high levels, with 16.7 million children living in food insecure households, about 35% more than 2007 levels.[16] A 2013 UNICEF report ranked the U.S. as having the second highest relative child poverty rates in the developed world.[17] According to a 2016 study by the Urban Institute, teenagers in low income communities are often forced to join gangs, save school lunches, sell drugs or exchange sexual favors because they cannot afford food.[18]
     
    Vietnam 7+Mil 8.4% live in poverty.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Vietnam

    Thereby, the poverty rate decreases gradually from 58 percent in 1993 to 28.9 percent in 2002, 14.5 percent in 2008 and 12 percent in 2011. About 28 million people are estimated to have been lifted out of poverty over approximately two decades.[2] The 2014 Global Hunger Index (GHI) Report ranked Vietnam 15th amongst 81 nations suffering from hunger, with a GHI of 7.5 compared with 27.7 in 1990 (country with extremely alarming (GHI ≥ 30), alarming (GHI between 20.0 and 29.9) or serious (GHI between 10.0 and 19.9) hunger situation.[3] Achievements in poverty reduction and hunger eradication have been highly appreciated by the international community and viewed overall as successful in furthering economic development.

    Based on a report from the Asian Development Bank, Viet Nam has a total population of 91.70 million as of 2015, about one million people more compared to the previous year.[5] 8.4% of the population lived below the national poverty line.
     

    Poor people in UKUSNZOz are usually very fat.

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  147. denk says:
    @TT

    London is gonna sent its brand new aircraft carrier to join the USN provocation in SCS.

    The Chinese shoudlnt complain.
    why cant they put the past behind them and move on……just like the jp, ?
     
    Denk, can UK aircraft/c work? They dont even have $ for their deteriorating healthcare and education, or new nuclear power plants. 10% Britons struggle to put food on table, often go hungry, worst than Hungary, Estonia, Slovakia and Malta.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/06/more-than-8-million-in-uk-struggle-to-put-food-on-table-survey-says

    Didn't PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?

    Yes Chinese shldn't complaint, juz sent gunboat and warplanes to buzz UK warships in SCS, like they did to every Russia navy, with defense minister & generals scream in every front page news :" Kwailows are attacking, another opium war. Get ready to fight." Have Liaoning ac conduct live firing in its doorstep with Russia Navy, and Falkland with Agentina Navy. Then put everything behind like jp. No big deal huh.

    Didn’t PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?

    Thats the trouble with this five eyes gang, all god damned hypocrites,

    murkka MNC want Chinese market, meanwhile Washington wanna detach some pieces from China. They even concocted a funny word for it, congagement.
    meaning to contain and engage at the same time,
    this is just whiteys double speak for ‘I want your monies , but I wanna screw your all the same’ !

    Ditto that ‘lucky country’, Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the ‘yellow peril’ B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, ‘ally’, when uncle sham barks ‘jump’, the Aussies could only woof ‘how high my lord’. !

    The troll with the idiotic moniker 22p says he doesnt wanna see Oz to become an economic appendage to China, as if being a ‘deputy sheriff’ to the ‘world cop’, the west’s most wanted outlaw, is anything to crow about !

    hhhhhh

    Notice how Canberra is getting hysterical on the China gate all cuz some senator’ cozy relation with a Chinese tycoon !

    FUKUS M.O. is typically
    Your money or your life,
    Those who open itself wide for uncle sham would be left alone or become uncle’s concubine, like India/

    With China, its
    Your money AND your life !

    Chinese have damn good reasons to fukus,
    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese …..
    They’r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???

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    Ditto that ‘lucky country’, Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the ‘yellow peril’ B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, ‘ally’, when uncle sham barks ‘jump’, the Aussies could only woof ‘how high my lord’. !
     
    Lol. NZ will be next. One Swedish told me they don't bother election, as all candidates are dictate by US.

    US might be controlling every countries leaders thru its 5eyes holding them ransom with threats & secret exposure. As you had mentioned before, these leaders aren't stupid to chain their own country to the war machine of Uncle Scam to fight against their bread basket.

    Oz had history of PM got remove by US CIA after going against US atrocity Vietnam war. Recently many Oz politicians got squeezed out with double citizenship nonsense, deputy PM too, may be for not obey Sinophobe playbook.

    Spore PM LHL was strongly against Philippine Aquino & Vietnam PM clowns to drag Asean into their SCS disputes. He even proclaimed Russia is an indispensable leader for all global issues. But immediately after Oboma Hussein summon him to WH, he vehemently lies on SCS against China and became ultra anti-China since.

    Oboma muz had whispered into pinky ear some obscene secret to frighten him like SKorea exPres Park. May be he got stripped search to take nude pics...? I think Msia, Cambodia, Thai, Myanmar, Laos, Nepal, Sri Lanka are resisting US anti-China playbook now, will see more circus shows.

    Perhaps only after China can prove it is capable to protect its allies from US aggression, such sinophobe Horriblewood plays will keep repeating. Russian has started to do it in Syria war after failing to protect its allies Yugoslavia, Iraq & Libya previously.

    When Philippine Pres Dutert rebel against US, ISIS was sent in to take down one of its city. Who can believe, a rag tag terrorists could overnight moved in enmass with heavy weapons to win a country regular army, courtesy of Uncle Scam special force & fantastic logistic powess. China help to kick out FUKUS terrorists by sending in its special force & snipers. So Uncle Scam change tactics, its Human Rights now.

    Popular Brazil ex-Pres was brought down by staged corruption trial. Msia Najib is under tremendous Facebook smearing, organized color revolution and M1D scandal since he closed up with China. Pakistan PM was down by legal system. Mongolia politician contest on anti-China ground was elected when 80% of its trade is with China. All China neighbors leaders are under attacked, except Abe got continuous landslide win.

    Now Mauritius Pres is under FUKUSIsInd besieged after signing FTA with China(a Supreme court judge can rule as his like over elected gov), with FukusIsIn broadcasting fake news Mauritius people begging India to send in troops to help. Everyone know all South Asians hate Indian evil claws stretching all over SAsia. China juz issued warning to India not to send in troops interfer else China will take action.

    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese …..
    They’r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???
     
    Bcos China refuse to turn over let Fukusisin gang rape 'em. They still have fond memory of the tasty loots from Opium wars. Same story for Russia, what a delightful free looting sprees after Soviet collapse.
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  148. 22pp22 says:

    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there’s widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia’s premier civilization, shows us that we don’t need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

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    Screw globalism.


     

    Cute. You are totally okay with your elite screwing other countries, but no longer okay when your elite screws you. Poor little you. But its okay, given your intelligence, there's a reason why you're not one of the elite.

    Given your attitudes, I must say that its truly tragic. It couldn't be happening to someone nicer.

    BTW, there's a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of "perfidious." You've stacked up quite a few enemies by now.

    Totally undeserved.

    , @denk
    Throwing tantrums now, after all your lies have been exposed !

    * We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.
     
    The Chinese were poor with dignity, they earned their own keep,
    Cant say the same for those who get rich by robbery, .


    P.S.

    You'r very good at kicking a man when he's down, dont you ?
    Applying wheat embargo when Chinese were starving.

    *It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

     

    Damn right,
    Thats why The Chinese would never trade Mao/Xi for any of your 45 potus,...Trumps../Obamas./Clintons/Bushes...

    but Why take it out on the Chinese , afaik they didnt 'rob' your industries at gun point ?

    so When are you boys gonna get some spine and replace those mafiasos in DC with someone at least half decent, someone who understand that he's job is to look after murkkans welfare, not ruling the universe ?

    When is the murkkan embassy ' aka coup specialist, when you need one ?
    HEHEHHEH

    *China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

     

    Its actually very simple kid,
    stop screwing around in China's backyard !
    , @TT
    Don't whine so much, old Anglo. You used to write with logical clear mind, now behave like childish senile throwing tantrum.

    Its you greedy Anglosaxon & Europeans ancestors forced China Qing Dynasty to trade with gunboats when they refuse, since they got everything self sufficient with world largest GDP. Then you evils want their tea leaves and porcelain free inexchange with your opiums, did your Asian study not taught you this basic history every British learned in grade6?

    Anglozionist created Globalization to rob the world naked. Now the monster turn back to bite, you cry foul like a spoilt brat wailing and blaming China for successfully turn the table with your greedy capitalist hollowing out industries. Didn't you get to live on unproductive financial industry to rip the world hard earn wages by manipulating rates and short others market every 10yrs cycle? And you enjoy the China products without need to sweat, just print $ as you like.

    Of course the world is better without Globalization, no one want it, but why singled out on China unfairly when Chinese is the main receiver of Globalization blunts getting much pollution for meagre returns. They are the lowest migrants compared to others in West, even Blacks, Latinos, ME, Indians are much more. Chinese will massively flow back once China reach parity with advanced country like Spore, then you Whitish cry foul again bcos no one buy your properties & treasury, give you cheap Chinese takeaway, all collapse.

    Be realistic the world is now intertwined up, and see mankind as whole, not whites & blacks, yellow... then you wouldn't whine so much. Xi has already roll out its plan for all mankind sharing prosperity, lets wait to see if it happen. Damn my country gov better know its China butter our breads, Uncle Scam is pushing us to buy its junk F35 for China congagement.
    , @TT

    And if you think there’s widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.
     
    This juz show how disconnected you old Anglos are. Obesity are in poor areas because they are fed with cheap junks not able to afford healthy diets with proper knowledge we have.

    I see Aborigines in Oz real fat, with many children to claim more benefits. NZ kiwis & US blacks are similar case. You white are never real charity, only give bare social welfare to keep 'em off streets and not break into your expensive house for food, isn't it? I almost got to get a gun to protect from freq breakin. Repair cost more than the food they took.

    First You rob their ancestors' land and resources killing many, after get prosperous on the spoilts, now you treat them like pests, what a grateful invaders. And you don't belong to NZ, go back if you don't like meeting wealthy Chinese there. UK has many poor Muslims ME & Indians waiting for you to whine and start missing the rich Chinese that enrich your bankers.

    Frankly I prefer Oz & NZ remained whitish, i hate Chinese owner's dogs barking at me when whitish dogs are just so friendly fun. But whitish politicians love $ more than their people, what to do. You poor whitrs can't afford to invest all expensive properties that Chinese do, white capitalist love them dearly. Tell that to your PM.

    UK 5Mil freq gone without food whole day, fake news? I enjoy in UK, but i drove pass some slums they look scary, sure they can eat till obese with honey covering all the streets? Nz poor students couldn't afford 50cents sanitary pads, skip school during periods, fake news?

    Many whites in white countries are struggling with bills that you lucky one don't feel & see. In Oz, every Wed the whitish are queuing to withdraw wkly salary in ATM. If we slow to bank in salary, they will keep trying and got so despair. By Mon, they are dried again awaiting next Wed. So i like to order my pizza on Thur, extra free.

    Look at news, how many homeless in US now with no access to toilets. How many staying in dilapidated condition? How many starving, when 8000 queuing for 5000 charity meals. Fake news? But i admit didnt get to see them since staying in good places enjoying good restaurants there.

    The rich is hard to empathize the poor struggling with debts, bills, basics & food bcos you simply don't experience or see it. I did charity work so i know, im juz too lucky to live so well, many don't.
    , @TT
    Sorry for all the hard truth. Just hope to sober you up from your gov msms brainwashing. Wish you take it easy. You remind me of another old Anglo spewing presstitute propaganda, too pigheaded beyond help. You are more graceful than him. Old educated anglos i know was smart knowledgeable, you don't appear as one.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia’s premier civilization, shows us that we don’t need immigration either.
     
    Your study of Asian Values are too crappy. Read up how Jap copied China Tang Dynasty civilization from cuisine, zen, architecture, governing, writing(too many errors)....Jap was their vassal, bestowed a name Ainu, means short slave for their ugly short dark hairy look.

    Jap told me actually their indigenous are really Ainu. Now those fairer tall japs you see are actually Mongols Manchurian migrated there. So they can't be more clever than civilized Hans that absorbed Manchu.

    You probably never been to China to see the original Chinese civilization copied by Japan to become your Asia premier civilization, that charm you into swallowing all their craps. Trumps was totally awe by it during his China trip.

    Yes, we all don't need migration, esp low grade mass Migration destroying many developed countries. Let's return to our origin, starting from all Anglos in USUKOzNz & West Africa.
    , @gT

    "I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again"

     

    Hmmmmm, seems the love of Chinese is spreading.

    Just because the West is bad doesn't automatically mean that the East is good, China is in fact much worse than the West. So nice more people are seeing the light. Hallelujah !!!!

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  149. TT says:
    @denk

    Didn’t PM May juz beg Xi in Beijing for some food money, but use it to pump fuel for new air/c when 10% people go hungry?
     
    Thats the trouble with this five eyes gang, all god damned hypocrites,

    murkka MNC want Chinese market, meanwhile Washington wanna detach some pieces from China. They even concocted a funny word for it, congagement.
    meaning to contain and engage at the same time,
    this is just whiteys double speak for 'I want your monies , but I wanna screw your all the same' !

    Ditto that 'lucky country', Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the 'yellow peril' B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, 'ally', when uncle sham barks 'jump', the Aussies could only woof 'how high my lord'. !

    The troll with the idiotic moniker 22p says he doesnt wanna see Oz to become an economic appendage to China, as if being a 'deputy sheriff' to the 'world cop', the west's most wanted outlaw, is anything to crow about !

    hhhhhh

    Notice how Canberra is getting hysterical on the China gate all cuz some senator' cozy relation with a Chinese tycoon !


    FUKUS M.O. is typically
    Your money or your life,
    Those who open itself wide for uncle sham would be left alone or become uncle's concubine, like India/

    With China, its
    Your money AND your life !


    Chinese have damn good reasons to fukus,
    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese .....
    They'r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???

    Ditto that ‘lucky country’, Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the ‘yellow peril’ B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, ‘ally’, when uncle sham barks ‘jump’, the Aussies could only woof ‘how high my lord’. !

    Lol. NZ will be next. One Swedish told me they don’t bother election, as all candidates are dictate by US.

    US might be controlling every countries leaders thru its 5eyes holding them ransom with threats & secret exposure. As you had mentioned before, these leaders aren’t stupid to chain their own country to the war machine of Uncle Scam to fight against their bread basket.

    Oz had history of PM got remove by US CIA after going against US atrocity Vietnam war. Recently many Oz politicians got squeezed out with double citizenship nonsense, deputy PM too, may be for not obey Sinophobe playbook.

    Spore PM LHL was strongly against Philippine Aquino & Vietnam PM clowns to drag Asean into their SCS disputes. He even proclaimed Russia is an indispensable leader for all global issues. But immediately after Oboma Hussein summon him to WH, he vehemently lies on SCS against China and became ultra anti-China since.

    Oboma muz had whispered into pinky ear some obscene secret to frighten him like SKorea exPres Park. May be he got stripped search to take nude pics…? I think Msia, Cambodia, Thai, Myanmar, Laos, Nepal, Sri Lanka are resisting US anti-China playbook now, will see more circus shows.

    Perhaps only after China can prove it is capable to protect its allies from US aggression, such sinophobe Horriblewood plays will keep repeating. Russian has started to do it in Syria war after failing to protect its allies Yugoslavia, Iraq & Libya previously.

    When Philippine Pres Dutert rebel against US, ISIS was sent in to take down one of its city. Who can believe, a rag tag terrorists could overnight moved in enmass with heavy weapons to win a country regular army, courtesy of Uncle Scam special force & fantastic logistic powess. China help to kick out FUKUS terrorists by sending in its special force & snipers. So Uncle Scam change tactics, its Human Rights now.

    Popular Brazil ex-Pres was brought down by staged corruption trial. Msia Najib is under tremendous Facebook smearing, organized color revolution and M1D scandal since he closed up with China. Pakistan PM was down by legal system. Mongolia politician contest on anti-China ground was elected when 80% of its trade is with China. All China neighbors leaders are under attacked, except Abe got continuous landslide win.

    Now Mauritius Pres is under FUKUSIsInd besieged after signing FTA with China(a Supreme court judge can rule as his like over elected gov), with FukusIsIn broadcasting fake news Mauritius people begging India to send in troops to help. Everyone know all South Asians hate Indian evil claws stretching all over SAsia. China juz issued warning to India not to send in troops interfer else China will take action.

    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese …..
    They’r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???

    Bcos China refuse to turn over let Fukusisin gang rape ‘em. They still have fond memory of the tasty loots from Opium wars. Same story for Russia, what a delightful free looting sprees after Soviet collapse.

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    Good points,
    I've been saying the same all along.

    When I heard MH370 'vanished' from the sky with 200+ Chinese onboard, my first though was......CIA !
    the Malaysia govn had been refusing to join the pivot against China.

    One week after the airplane 'accident', some Chinese tourists were kidnapped by Abu Sayyaf militants in Sabah, [1]

    By that time China and Malaysia were already embroiled in some heated recriminations over the disappearing airliner.

    This is what Najib said,
    'Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us' [Malaysia/China]

    If you'r a 'conspiracy theorist' buff like me, you'd find this interesting.
    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html
    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.
    My hunch has never failed me so far.

    [1]
    Abu Sayyaf are known CIA sponsored jihadists.
    , @TT

    SHANGHAI: Eleven Chinese warships sailed into the East Indian Ocean this month, a Chinese news portal said, amid a constitutional crisis in the tiny tropical island chain of the Maldives now under a state of emergency. A fleet of destroyers and at least one frigate, a 30,000-tone amphibious transport dock and three support tankers entered the Indian Ocean,
    news portal Sina.com.cn said, without linking the deployment to the crisis in the Maldives or giving a reason.

     

    China backing up its words with action. More countries will take this as sign to do biz with China without worry of FukusInd aggression.

    Maldives majority popn is Indian migrants Muslim. They muz be very afraid of India PM Moldi that had massacre thousands of their kins that US turn a blind eye.

    Russia & China are now more willing to defend ally since Syria Libya war. Venezuela & Iran with many of their investments will be something to watch when US try invading.

    AbuSy Rebel chief juz declared: More ISIS is on the way to Philippines to take next city...but swimming from ME? They will need massive F16 escort transport planes & Navy fleet to move thousands of terrorists with heavy armoured weapons, without detected by Philippines' Air Force & Navy. Guess which charity is doing?
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  150. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    Screw globalism.

    Cute. You are totally okay with your elite screwing other countries, but no longer okay when your elite screws you. Poor little you. But its okay, given your intelligence, there’s a reason why you’re not one of the elite.

    Given your attitudes, I must say that its truly tragic. It couldn’t be happening to someone nicer.

    BTW, there’s a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of “perfidious.” You’ve stacked up quite a few enemies by now.

    Totally undeserved.

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    and the Germans got hit by swarming refugees,
    Washington's Weapon of mass migration !
    , @Anon

    BTW, there’s a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of “perfidious.” You’ve stacked up quite a few enemies by now.
     
    Germans do as they speak, precise, principled with stoicism. Globalization didn't hollow its industry but turn true high tech powerhouse. They are like china, win-win partnership.

    To say Anglos is hypocrite & perfidious is under described. Historically they are pathologic lying murderers, like greedy vultures or hyenas.

    22p is far from been anyone enemy, juz a gd self pity troll good for some beating.
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  151. denk says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    Throwing tantrums now, after all your lies have been exposed !

    * We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    The Chinese were poor with dignity, they earned their own keep,
    Cant say the same for those who get rich by robbery, .

    P.S.

    You’r very good at kicking a man when he’s down, dont you ?
    Applying wheat embargo when Chinese were starving.

    *It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    Damn right,
    Thats why The Chinese would never trade Mao/Xi for any of your 45 potus,…Trumps../Obamas./Clintons/Bushes…

    but Why take it out on the Chinese , afaik they didnt ‘rob’ your industries at gun point ?

    so When are you boys gonna get some spine and replace those mafiasos in DC with someone at least half decent, someone who understand that he’s job is to look after murkkans welfare, not ruling the universe ?

    When is the murkkan embassy ‘ aka coup specialist, when you need one ?
    HEHEHHEH

    *China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Its actually very simple kid,
    stop screwing around in China’s backyard !

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    There is nothing dignified about starving to death.
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  152. TT says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    Don’t whine so much, old Anglo. You used to write with logical clear mind, now behave like childish senile throwing tantrum.

    Its you greedy Anglosaxon & Europeans ancestors forced China Qing Dynasty to trade with gunboats when they refuse, since they got everything self sufficient with world largest GDP. Then you evils want their tea leaves and porcelain free inexchange with your opiums, did your Asian study not taught you this basic history every British learned in grade6?

    Anglozionist created Globalization to rob the world naked. Now the monster turn back to bite, you cry foul like a spoilt brat wailing and blaming China for successfully turn the table with your greedy capitalist hollowing out industries. Didn’t you get to live on unproductive financial industry to rip the world hard earn wages by manipulating rates and short others market every 10yrs cycle? And you enjoy the China products without need to sweat, just print $ as you like.

    Of course the world is better without Globalization, no one want it, but why singled out on China unfairly when Chinese is the main receiver of Globalization blunts getting much pollution for meagre returns. They are the lowest migrants compared to others in West, even Blacks, Latinos, ME, Indians are much more. Chinese will massively flow back once China reach parity with advanced country like Spore, then you Whitish cry foul again bcos no one buy your properties & treasury, give you cheap Chinese takeaway, all collapse.

    Be realistic the world is now intertwined up, and see mankind as whole, not whites & blacks, yellow… then you wouldn’t whine so much. Xi has already roll out its plan for all mankind sharing prosperity, lets wait to see if it happen. Damn my country gov better know its China butter our breads, Uncle Scam is pushing us to buy its junk F35 for China congagement.

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    many others recognize their hypocrisy too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINBusImdC0
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  153. denk says:
    @TT

    Ditto that ‘lucky country’, Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the ‘yellow peril’ B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, ‘ally’, when uncle sham barks ‘jump’, the Aussies could only woof ‘how high my lord’. !
     
    Lol. NZ will be next. One Swedish told me they don't bother election, as all candidates are dictate by US.

    US might be controlling every countries leaders thru its 5eyes holding them ransom with threats & secret exposure. As you had mentioned before, these leaders aren't stupid to chain their own country to the war machine of Uncle Scam to fight against their bread basket.

    Oz had history of PM got remove by US CIA after going against US atrocity Vietnam war. Recently many Oz politicians got squeezed out with double citizenship nonsense, deputy PM too, may be for not obey Sinophobe playbook.

    Spore PM LHL was strongly against Philippine Aquino & Vietnam PM clowns to drag Asean into their SCS disputes. He even proclaimed Russia is an indispensable leader for all global issues. But immediately after Oboma Hussein summon him to WH, he vehemently lies on SCS against China and became ultra anti-China since.

    Oboma muz had whispered into pinky ear some obscene secret to frighten him like SKorea exPres Park. May be he got stripped search to take nude pics...? I think Msia, Cambodia, Thai, Myanmar, Laos, Nepal, Sri Lanka are resisting US anti-China playbook now, will see more circus shows.

    Perhaps only after China can prove it is capable to protect its allies from US aggression, such sinophobe Horriblewood plays will keep repeating. Russian has started to do it in Syria war after failing to protect its allies Yugoslavia, Iraq & Libya previously.

    When Philippine Pres Dutert rebel against US, ISIS was sent in to take down one of its city. Who can believe, a rag tag terrorists could overnight moved in enmass with heavy weapons to win a country regular army, courtesy of Uncle Scam special force & fantastic logistic powess. China help to kick out FUKUS terrorists by sending in its special force & snipers. So Uncle Scam change tactics, its Human Rights now.

    Popular Brazil ex-Pres was brought down by staged corruption trial. Msia Najib is under tremendous Facebook smearing, organized color revolution and M1D scandal since he closed up with China. Pakistan PM was down by legal system. Mongolia politician contest on anti-China ground was elected when 80% of its trade is with China. All China neighbors leaders are under attacked, except Abe got continuous landslide win.

    Now Mauritius Pres is under FUKUSIsInd besieged after signing FTA with China(a Supreme court judge can rule as his like over elected gov), with FukusIsIn broadcasting fake news Mauritius people begging India to send in troops to help. Everyone know all South Asians hate Indian evil claws stretching all over SAsia. China juz issued warning to India not to send in troops interfer else China will take action.

    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese …..
    They’r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???
     
    Bcos China refuse to turn over let Fukusisin gang rape 'em. They still have fond memory of the tasty loots from Opium wars. Same story for Russia, what a delightful free looting sprees after Soviet collapse.

    Good points,
    I’ve been saying the same all along.

    When I heard MH370 ‘vanished’ from the sky with 200+ Chinese onboard, my first though was……CIA !
    the Malaysia govn had been refusing to join the pivot against China.

    One week after the airplane ‘accident’, some Chinese tourists were kidnapped by Abu Sayyaf militants in Sabah, [1]

    By that time China and Malaysia were already embroiled in some heated recriminations over the disappearing airliner.

    This is what Najib said,
    Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us’ [Malaysia/China]

    If you’r a ‘conspiracy theorist’ buff like me, you’d find this interesting.

    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html

    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.
    My hunch has never failed me so far.

    [1]
    Abu Sayyaf are known CIA sponsored jihadists.

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    This is what Najib said,
    ‘Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us’ [Malaysia/China]

    If you’r a ‘conspiracy theorist’ buff like me, you’d find this interesting.

    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html

    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.
     
    Good article, same as what i thot and some China reports.

    Even Msia ex-PM Mahatir had immediately remarked US had patented the remote controlling for Boeing plane 10yrs prior MH370 mishap. These people sure have accessed to info we commoners don't.

    One China article said there was a SVIP Chinese in that plane with some important cargo of great value to US, to engage such high profile hijacking. That's why China was initially very angry with Msia when MH kept mum about all details.

    Terrorists so far don't attack US forces & its sprawling interests globally, even in Syria, ME, Afghanistan & elsewhere. ISIS are slaughtering Muslims in name of Allah and coexist with US. When Trumps moved US embassy to Jerusalem and defined it as Israel capital, ISIS instead of attack Israel & US targets, they declared war with Muslim Hama for failing to protect Jerusalem. They targeted Russian & Iranian forces that protect Muslims. US rivals get terrorists threat, but Israel soulmate US is safe.

    All these tell us alot...who terrorists work for. They sent terrorists to wherever to justify US present or built bases(quoted Globalresearch)
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  154. denk says:
    @anonymous

    Screw globalism.


     

    Cute. You are totally okay with your elite screwing other countries, but no longer okay when your elite screws you. Poor little you. But its okay, given your intelligence, there's a reason why you're not one of the elite.

    Given your attitudes, I must say that its truly tragic. It couldn't be happening to someone nicer.

    BTW, there's a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of "perfidious." You've stacked up quite a few enemies by now.

    Totally undeserved.

    and the Germans got hit by swarming refugees,
    Washington’s Weapon of mass migration !

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  155. TT says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    And if you think there’s widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    This juz show how disconnected you old Anglos are. Obesity are in poor areas because they are fed with cheap junks not able to afford healthy diets with proper knowledge we have.

    I see Aborigines in Oz real fat, with many children to claim more benefits. NZ kiwis & US blacks are similar case. You white are never real charity, only give bare social welfare to keep ‘em off streets and not break into your expensive house for food, isn’t it? I almost got to get a gun to protect from freq breakin. Repair cost more than the food they took.

    First You rob their ancestors’ land and resources killing many, after get prosperous on the spoilts, now you treat them like pests, what a grateful invaders. And you don’t belong to NZ, go back if you don’t like meeting wealthy Chinese there. UK has many poor Muslims ME & Indians waiting for you to whine and start missing the rich Chinese that enrich your bankers.

    Frankly I prefer Oz & NZ remained whitish, i hate Chinese owner’s dogs barking at me when whitish dogs are just so friendly fun. But whitish politicians love $ more than their people, what to do. You poor whitrs can’t afford to invest all expensive properties that Chinese do, white capitalist love them dearly. Tell that to your PM.

    UK 5Mil freq gone without food whole day, fake news? I enjoy in UK, but i drove pass some slums they look scary, sure they can eat till obese with honey covering all the streets? Nz poor students couldn’t afford 50cents sanitary pads, skip school during periods, fake news?

    Many whites in white countries are struggling with bills that you lucky one don’t feel & see. In Oz, every Wed the whitish are queuing to withdraw wkly salary in ATM. If we slow to bank in salary, they will keep trying and got so despair. By Mon, they are dried again awaiting next Wed. So i like to order my pizza on Thur, extra free.

    Look at news, how many homeless in US now with no access to toilets. How many staying in dilapidated condition? How many starving, when 8000 queuing for 5000 charity meals. Fake news? But i admit didnt get to see them since staying in good places enjoying good restaurants there.

    The rich is hard to empathize the poor struggling with debts, bills, basics & food bcos you simply don’t experience or see it. I did charity work so i know, im juz too lucky to live so well, many don’t.

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  156. TT says:
    @denk
    Good points,
    I've been saying the same all along.

    When I heard MH370 'vanished' from the sky with 200+ Chinese onboard, my first though was......CIA !
    the Malaysia govn had been refusing to join the pivot against China.

    One week after the airplane 'accident', some Chinese tourists were kidnapped by Abu Sayyaf militants in Sabah, [1]

    By that time China and Malaysia were already embroiled in some heated recriminations over the disappearing airliner.

    This is what Najib said,
    'Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us' [Malaysia/China]

    If you'r a 'conspiracy theorist' buff like me, you'd find this interesting.
    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html
    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.
    My hunch has never failed me so far.

    [1]
    Abu Sayyaf are known CIA sponsored jihadists.

    This is what Najib said,
    ‘Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us’ [Malaysia/China]

    If you’r a ‘conspiracy theorist’ buff like me, you’d find this interesting.

    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html

    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.

    Good article, same as what i thot and some China reports.

    Even Msia ex-PM Mahatir had immediately remarked US had patented the remote controlling for Boeing plane 10yrs prior MH370 mishap. These people sure have accessed to info we commoners don’t.

    One China article said there was a SVIP Chinese in that plane with some important cargo of great value to US, to engage such high profile hijacking. That’s why China was initially very angry with Msia when MH kept mum about all details.

    Terrorists so far don’t attack US forces & its sprawling interests globally, even in Syria, ME, Afghanistan & elsewhere. ISIS are slaughtering Muslims in name of Allah and coexist with US. When Trumps moved US embassy to Jerusalem and defined it as Israel capital, ISIS instead of attack Israel & US targets, they declared war with Muslim Hama for failing to protect Jerusalem. They targeted Russian & Iranian forces that protect Muslims. US rivals get terrorists threat, but Israel soulmate US is safe.

    All these tell us alot…who terrorists work for. They sent terrorists to wherever to justify US present or built bases(quoted Globalresearch)

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    following the Xi-Najib-Mahathir love fest in KL, 2013,
    when Malaysia/China celebrated a massive upgrade of bilateral relation.,

    Malaysia lost 3 airliners, one copter, plus another near miss in less than six months,

    mh370 'missing',
    mh17 shot down,
    mh148 engine on fire, near miss.
    airasia QZ8501 exploded in midair,
    Copter with najib's chief of staff onboard exploded in midair,
    [i might have forgotten some others]

    according to Ian Flaming's fundamental law of probability,

    Once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice.......enemy action !
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  157. TT says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    Sorry for all the hard truth. Just hope to sober you up from your gov msms brainwashing. Wish you take it easy. You remind me of another old Anglo spewing presstitute propaganda, too pigheaded beyond help. You are more graceful than him. Old educated anglos i know was smart knowledgeable, you don’t appear as one.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia’s premier civilization, shows us that we don’t need immigration either.

    Your study of Asian Values are too crappy. Read up how Jap copied China Tang Dynasty civilization from cuisine, zen, architecture, governing, writing(too many errors)….Jap was their vassal, bestowed a name Ainu, means short slave for their ugly short dark hairy look.

    Jap told me actually their indigenous are really Ainu. Now those fairer tall japs you see are actually Mongols Manchurian migrated there. So they can’t be more clever than civilized Hans that absorbed Manchu.

    You probably never been to China to see the original Chinese civilization copied by Japan to become your Asia premier civilization, that charm you into swallowing all their craps. Trumps was totally awe by it during his China trip.

    Yes, we all don’t need migration, esp low grade mass Migration destroying many developed countries. Let’s return to our origin, starting from all Anglos in USUKOzNz & West Africa.

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  158. Sean says:

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/David-Milne-13964/americas-rasputin/Although Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara are usually blamed for the military escalation in Vietnam, this convincing, well-documented study by Milne (American Foreign Policy/Univ. of Nottingham) emphasizes Walt Rostow’s key role in creating the self-justifying rationale that mired America in war for a decade. Having emerged from academia—first Yale, then Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, then MIT as a professor of economic history—Rostow formed his ideological posture while watching the rise of McCarthyism and the Korean War. His magnum opus was a full-throttle repudiation of Marx called The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto, in which he extolled the benefits of liberal capitalism predicated on mass consumption and opined that underdeveloped nations needed substantial American assistance to arrive at capitalist rewards. [...] Milne demonstrates skillfully that LBJ’s bombing policy came largely from Rostow, while his relentless positive spin kept the besieged president from knowing the full extent of the catastrophe until public opinion had turned against him.

    It was Rostow who pushed for military intervention and bombing.

    North Vietnamese leadership got closer to the Soviet union as the main force units of the South played a greater part in the war. The Tet offensive was a gambit by the pro China Viet Cong of South Vietnam, the command structure of which was ethnically Chinese in many cases, to get back in the driver’s seat.

    As Amy Chau points out in her latest book, the South Vietnamese communists saw their war against “capitalists” as war against the ethnically Chinese elite in the south who were 1% of the population, but owned 80% of the economy. Yet the ethnic Chinese were also running the Viet Cong.

    As with the communist insurrection in Malaysia, the Viet Cong were ethnically Chinese to a great extent. In Malaysia the British simply expelled the ethnic Chinese population, much to the delight of the Malays. The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. Many of the VC’s pervasive undercover agents in the government and security forces of the South would have been taken out too.

    A awful lot of innocent Chinese would have died, but once Vietnam had defeated the US, the ethnic Chinese were all killed or expelled from Vietnam anyway (the Boat People) Of course the US feared a Korean war style intervention by China if the US moved too aggressively against North Vietnam so targeting ethnic Chinese in South Vietnam is something they might not have dared try. China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.

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    China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.
     
    China will be doomed if they trust US economists crap like Russian. They have the world best think tank as Lee Kuang Yew reckoned, China knew our country better than ourselves, they tell you what you truly need and they can give/take for a win win partnership hard to resist.

    That's they magical inroads to many countries the west are sorely losing with gunboat approach. Tillerson is beating chest and warning its backyards, don't get skim by china to fill your stomach and build your roads that can be seen, come to Uncle Scam for another free old good rape you have forgotten.

    China is charting a grand plan for true sustainable globalization starting from Obor & petrol yuan, albeit Chinese version. West believe in hunting like Mongols to get rich, Chinese long knew herding is the true way. But they don't talk much to leak, unlike big mouth US elites compete to show off their ass to get funded. So everyone knew, Pentagon plot to destroyed 5 countries well before 911 false flag.
    , @denk
    The Brits pioneered three of the most brutal 'anti insurgency' tactics in the world,,
    Detention, deportation, termination.

    In Malaya.
    they imprisoned whole villages into concentration camps called 'new settlements', to deprive 'insurgents' of their support base.
    Its called 'draining the fish ponds '
    This served as the template in Nam, where hundreds of thousands of innocent villagers were thrown into 'strategic hamlets'.

    Next up , deportation.
    Almost half a million of ethnic Chinese were summarily deported to 'drain the pond'.

    [fukus found this so convenient that,
    IN Diego Garcia, where there wasnt any 'insurgency', the entire population were exiled to ghettos thousands of miles away, simply cuz fukus wanted their land,]

    Then there's the final solution////

    Simply kill off the commie 'sympathizers' wholesale,
    The massacre of villagers in Batang Kali, 1948, was later repleted thousands fold in Nam. My Lai was but a tip in the iceberg.

    'The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective [sic]if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. '
     
    Sure, like what they did in Indonesia 1965. Sean .

    orchestrating the wholesale slaughter of 3M 'commie sympathizers', including almost the entire segment of ethnic Chinese.

    P.S.
    In Indonesia 1965 there was no god damn war , no armed 'insurgents',
    there's just cold blooded massacre of 3M innocent bystanders.

    Is that war wining effective enough to you . sean ?
    You'd be a worthy successor to James 'mad dog' Mattis.
    , @luba
    Yet a man with supposed great knowledge and wolrd view such as @Linh Dinh glorifies and attributes the victories to the unique Vienamese sheer determination without any acknowledgement of many contributions from the ethnic Chinese and the military, finanacial and food aids China provided to Vietnam's wars against France and US.


    Btw, @ Linh Dinh, let's get some of the facts straight: 1). The design of Beijing's Fobidden City was a copy of the Nanjing Forbidden City (Ming Palace).

    2)Key persons who were on historical records in supervising, designing, organiseing, coordinateing and building of Beijing's Forbidden City were the followings:

    - Chen Gui (泰宁侯陈珪,Marquis of Taining): Chief-in-charge from 1406 -1419 (till his death).

    - Cai Xin (蔡信) : chief planner and designer, drew the blueprint of Forbidden City.

    - Lu Xiang (陆祥): in charge of designing, calculating and implmenting the stone works

    - Yang Qing (杨青) : responsible for mananging and carrying out the brick mason.

    - Kuai Xiang (蒯祥): designed and participated the building of Beijing Forbidden City in later stage, Tiananmen (天安门) and Ming Emperor Tombs (十三陵,裕陵). At Palace Mueseum, there is a painting about inpection of the Fobidden City with Kuai Xiang in it (in red robe): http://img1.gtimg.com/cul/pics/hv1/61/35/2082/135391036.jpg.

    The Kuai family and their fellowmen were from Xiangshan (香山) nearby Nanjing. The famous Xiangshan Group (香山帮) is wellknown for its architecture skills and stlyes, today there are still archteture/building firms from this area put "Xiangshan" as prefix before their firm's names to show their pedigree.

    - Wang Shun (王顺) and Hu Liang (胡良):Master of painting, brushing and drawing on ceilings and columns.

    - Others with names left on historical records: Jin Heng (金珩): master carpenter, Chen Guo (陈果), etc.

    Yongle Emperor Zhu Di took Nanjing, ascended to the throne through ursurping and killed many who wouldn't regard him as the legitimate ruler, Fang Xiaoru was one of the loyalists to the former emperor. He was killed when he refused to write the formal issue/announcement for Zhu Di's ascending to the throne, not so dramtised as the way you put it.

    From 1406, many craftmen from Nanjing and the South went to Beijing to prepare and build the new Forbidden City. 1420 it was complete. Then some of the front part was rebuilt due to fire and was rebuilt/repaired partially duing the next few hundreds of year under both Ming and Qing Emperors.

    Ruan An (Nguyen An, 阮安) worked with Kuai Xiang (蒯祥) in rebuilding the front three Palace Halls which had been burnt. He was surely not one of the key original architects of Beijing’s Forbidden City as you and your compatriots claimed, but he was definitely the key player in building/re-fortifying gate towers and the moat around Beijing.
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  159. gT says:
    @22pp22
    We can make our own cars and our own electronic goods. Your imported the technology from us, not the other way round. I am quite happy for the West and China to separate. We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.

    It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

    And if you think there's widespread hunger in the English-speaking world, then you have never been there.

    Obesity is the problem in poor areas, not hunger.

    China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

    Japan, by far and away East Asia's premier civilization, shows us that we don't need immigration either.

    Screw globalism.

    “I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again”

    Hmmmmm, seems the love of Chinese is spreading.

    Just because the West is bad doesn’t automatically mean that the East is good, China is in fact much worse than the West. So nice more people are seeing the light. Hallelujah !!!!

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    Just because the West is bad doesn’t automatically mean that the East is good,
     
    Every prez post Nixon agrees that there's only one country which 'shared murkkan values', India .

    The Indians can teach their murkkan soulmates a thing or two,
    when it comes to 'counter insurgency',

    Shoot to death,
    Torture to death,
    Starved to death,
    Raped to death.......

    in the NE, Kashmir, on Dalits......

    http://e-pao.net/epSubPageExtractor.asp?src=news_section.Sadar_Hills_District_Demand_201108.The_Hill_Valley_divide_widens_again_By_Jubilate_Kazingmei
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  160. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TT
    Don't whine so much, old Anglo. You used to write with logical clear mind, now behave like childish senile throwing tantrum.

    Its you greedy Anglosaxon & Europeans ancestors forced China Qing Dynasty to trade with gunboats when they refuse, since they got everything self sufficient with world largest GDP. Then you evils want their tea leaves and porcelain free inexchange with your opiums, did your Asian study not taught you this basic history every British learned in grade6?

    Anglozionist created Globalization to rob the world naked. Now the monster turn back to bite, you cry foul like a spoilt brat wailing and blaming China for successfully turn the table with your greedy capitalist hollowing out industries. Didn't you get to live on unproductive financial industry to rip the world hard earn wages by manipulating rates and short others market every 10yrs cycle? And you enjoy the China products without need to sweat, just print $ as you like.

    Of course the world is better without Globalization, no one want it, but why singled out on China unfairly when Chinese is the main receiver of Globalization blunts getting much pollution for meagre returns. They are the lowest migrants compared to others in West, even Blacks, Latinos, ME, Indians are much more. Chinese will massively flow back once China reach parity with advanced country like Spore, then you Whitish cry foul again bcos no one buy your properties & treasury, give you cheap Chinese takeaway, all collapse.

    Be realistic the world is now intertwined up, and see mankind as whole, not whites & blacks, yellow... then you wouldn't whine so much. Xi has already roll out its plan for all mankind sharing prosperity, lets wait to see if it happen. Damn my country gov better know its China butter our breads, Uncle Scam is pushing us to buy its junk F35 for China congagement.

    many others recognize their hypocrisy too.

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    The world is waking up to Anglos hypocrisy, only Linh & his kins still dream of their puppy love with Uncle Scam after their War scars healed. Orange agent is working indeed.

    I like the show Brave Heart, how Scottish fight bravely against Anglos aggression to their mother land. GB raped Scotland, Welsh, North Ireland, to call itself United Condom.

    It had biten off more than it can chew...choking like greedy hyenas bloated to death now, slow death by own greedy war & globalisation. Still Hypocrite whining Chinese has eaten its cheese, playing its antique remix records of Mao's chicom red threat but won't give up that $3 china make gd Tshirt in Walmart.

    Russian and Germans are two real fighter race, no lies & pretend, juz fight heroically. May be that's why Chinese like & respect them, but despise Anglos with fork tongue.
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  161. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Screw globalism.


     

    Cute. You are totally okay with your elite screwing other countries, but no longer okay when your elite screws you. Poor little you. But its okay, given your intelligence, there's a reason why you're not one of the elite.

    Given your attitudes, I must say that its truly tragic. It couldn't be happening to someone nicer.

    BTW, there's a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of "perfidious." You've stacked up quite a few enemies by now.

    Totally undeserved.

    BTW, there’s a reason why the Chinese have consistently have and maintain positive attitudes with the Germans to this day. Maybe you Anglos could learn from their lack of hypocrisy and lose the title of “perfidious.” You’ve stacked up quite a few enemies by now.

    Germans do as they speak, precise, principled with stoicism. Globalization didn’t hollow its industry but turn true high tech powerhouse. They are like china, win-win partnership.

    To say Anglos is hypocrite & perfidious is under described. Historically they are pathologic lying murderers, like greedy vultures or hyenas.

    22p is far from been anyone enemy, juz a gd self pity troll good for some beating.

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  162. TT says:
    @Sean

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/David-Milne-13964/americas-rasputin/Although Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara are usually blamed for the military escalation in Vietnam, this convincing, well-documented study by Milne (American Foreign Policy/Univ. of Nottingham) emphasizes Walt Rostow’s key role in creating the self-justifying rationale that mired America in war for a decade. Having emerged from academia—first Yale, then Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, then MIT as a professor of economic history—Rostow formed his ideological posture while watching the rise of McCarthyism and the Korean War. His magnum opus was a full-throttle repudiation of Marx called The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto, in which he extolled the benefits of liberal capitalism predicated on mass consumption and opined that underdeveloped nations needed substantial American assistance to arrive at capitalist rewards. [...] Milne demonstrates skillfully that LBJ’s bombing policy came largely from Rostow, while his relentless positive spin kept the besieged president from knowing the full extent of the catastrophe until public opinion had turned against him.
     
    It was Rostow who pushed for military intervention and bombing.

    North Vietnamese leadership got closer to the Soviet union as the main force units of the South played a greater part in the war. The Tet offensive was a gambit by the pro China Viet Cong of South Vietnam, the command structure of which was ethnically Chinese in many cases, to get back in the driver's seat.

    As Amy Chau points out in her latest book, the South Vietnamese communists saw their war against "capitalists" as war against the ethnically Chinese elite in the south who were 1% of the population, but owned 80% of the economy. Yet the ethnic Chinese were also running the Viet Cong.

    As with the communist insurrection in Malaysia, the Viet Cong were ethnically Chinese to a great extent. In Malaysia the British simply expelled the ethnic Chinese population, much to the delight of the Malays. The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. Many of the VC's pervasive undercover agents in the government and security forces of the South would have been taken out too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZPAa817xY&t=4m14s
    A awful lot of innocent Chinese would have died, but once Vietnam had defeated the US, the ethnic Chinese were all killed or expelled from Vietnam anyway (the Boat People) Of course the US feared a Korean war style intervention by China if the US moved too aggressively against North Vietnam so targeting ethnic Chinese in South Vietnam is something they might not have dared try. China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.

    China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.

    China will be doomed if they trust US economists crap like Russian. They have the world best think tank as Lee Kuang Yew reckoned, China knew our country better than ourselves, they tell you what you truly need and they can give/take for a win win partnership hard to resist.

    That’s they magical inroads to many countries the west are sorely losing with gunboat approach. Tillerson is beating chest and warning its backyards, don’t get skim by china to fill your stomach and build your roads that can be seen, come to Uncle Scam for another free old good rape you have forgotten.

    China is charting a grand plan for true sustainable globalization starting from Obor & petrol yuan, albeit Chinese version. West believe in hunting like Mongols to get rich, Chinese long knew herding is the true way. But they don’t talk much to leak, unlike big mouth US elites compete to show off their ass to get funded. So everyone knew, Pentagon plot to destroyed 5 countries well before 911 false flag.

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  163. TT says:
    @anonymous
    many others recognize their hypocrisy too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINBusImdC0

    The world is waking up to Anglos hypocrisy, only Linh & his kins still dream of their puppy love with Uncle Scam after their War scars healed. Orange agent is working indeed.

    I like the show Brave Heart, how Scottish fight bravely against Anglos aggression to their mother land. GB raped Scotland, Welsh, North Ireland, to call itself United Condom.

    It had biten off more than it can chew…choking like greedy hyenas bloated to death now, slow death by own greedy war & globalisation. Still Hypocrite whining Chinese has eaten its cheese, playing its antique remix records of Mao’s chicom red threat but won’t give up that $3 china make gd Tshirt in Walmart.

    Russian and Germans are two real fighter race, no lies & pretend, juz fight heroically. May be that’s why Chinese like & respect them, but despise Anglos with fork tongue.

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  164. jsinton says:

    Oh Linh, you’ve spent too much time hanging out in the worst places of the most decrepit parts of the USA. So you went home to be among the Viet again. Well I suppose you’ll find some enduring truth there too. Things are just bad all over. Enjoy yourself, it’s later than you think.

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  165. myself says:
    @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Respectfully beg to differ on some points.

    Han are more civilian-society oriented and technocratic, by preference. They would rather build huge engineering projects. cities and accumulate wealth and knowledge than go to war. They are no Spartans, not a warrior-society built on martial virtue. That would more analogously fit the Imperial-era Japanese.

    War is seen in China as but one necessary activity in human affairs, but it holds no precedence over science, business, engineering, or public policy.

    But like the Republican Romans, they will fight, and effectively, if they must.

    After they got unified, they outright destroyed the Huns in their eastern Mongolian homeland in 133 BC, and incorporated the territory. The Huns fled west across Eurasia, turned the Scythians, Sarmatians and Alans into vassals, and smashed into the Persian and Roman empires, terrorizing the Germans and directly triggering the Great Migrations.

    Then, they lost Mongolia to the original pure-blood Asian Turks, the Gok Turks, who they annihilated in the 7th century AD in their central Mongolian homeland. The Han forced a choice on the Gok Turks – assimilate or be exterminated.

    Most submitted to the Chinese Emperor.

    The remainder again fled west, and invaded many of the Muslim and Slavic lands and were stopped with great difficulty by the Byzantines. They were then converted into Islam, except of course those who remained under Han rule in eastern Eurasia.

    When the ferocious, pre-Buddhist Tibetans foolishly invaded Han lands, the wrought great havoc. Then they were crushed and Tibet bacame part of Empire. The Han have ruled Xinjiang militarily since around 200 BC, when the Chinese expanded their empire into Central Asia to control the Silk Roads.

    Upon the fall of the Yuan dynasty, the majority of Mongols assimilated (more Mongolian ethnics in China today than in Republic of Mongolia, for ex.), and were incorporated into the Imperial cavalry. Then the Ming pushed the Mongol remnants back into their homeland and bottled them up, all while suppressing a huge peasant rebellion in Southern China AND sending about 100,000 trained soldiers to Korea to counter the invasion by some 300,000 Japanese in the Imjin War – successfully.

    So, IMHO, you may disagree, the Han seem plenty able to fight.

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  166. denk says:
    @Sean

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/David-Milne-13964/americas-rasputin/Although Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara are usually blamed for the military escalation in Vietnam, this convincing, well-documented study by Milne (American Foreign Policy/Univ. of Nottingham) emphasizes Walt Rostow’s key role in creating the self-justifying rationale that mired America in war for a decade. Having emerged from academia—first Yale, then Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, then MIT as a professor of economic history—Rostow formed his ideological posture while watching the rise of McCarthyism and the Korean War. His magnum opus was a full-throttle repudiation of Marx called The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto, in which he extolled the benefits of liberal capitalism predicated on mass consumption and opined that underdeveloped nations needed substantial American assistance to arrive at capitalist rewards. [...] Milne demonstrates skillfully that LBJ’s bombing policy came largely from Rostow, while his relentless positive spin kept the besieged president from knowing the full extent of the catastrophe until public opinion had turned against him.
     
    It was Rostow who pushed for military intervention and bombing.

    North Vietnamese leadership got closer to the Soviet union as the main force units of the South played a greater part in the war. The Tet offensive was a gambit by the pro China Viet Cong of South Vietnam, the command structure of which was ethnically Chinese in many cases, to get back in the driver's seat.

    As Amy Chau points out in her latest book, the South Vietnamese communists saw their war against "capitalists" as war against the ethnically Chinese elite in the south who were 1% of the population, but owned 80% of the economy. Yet the ethnic Chinese were also running the Viet Cong.

    As with the communist insurrection in Malaysia, the Viet Cong were ethnically Chinese to a great extent. In Malaysia the British simply expelled the ethnic Chinese population, much to the delight of the Malays. The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. Many of the VC's pervasive undercover agents in the government and security forces of the South would have been taken out too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZPAa817xY&t=4m14s
    A awful lot of innocent Chinese would have died, but once Vietnam had defeated the US, the ethnic Chinese were all killed or expelled from Vietnam anyway (the Boat People) Of course the US feared a Korean war style intervention by China if the US moved too aggressively against North Vietnam so targeting ethnic Chinese in South Vietnam is something they might not have dared try. China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.

    The Brits pioneered three of the most brutal ‘anti insurgency’ tactics in the world,,
    Detention, deportation, termination.

    In Malaya.
    they imprisoned whole villages into concentration camps called ‘new settlements’, to deprive ‘insurgents’ of their support base.
    Its called ‘draining the fish ponds
    This served as the template in Nam, where hundreds of thousands of innocent villagers were thrown into ‘strategic hamlets’.

    Next up , deportation.
    Almost half a million of ethnic Chinese were summarily deported to ‘drain the pond’.

    [fukus found this so convenient that,
    IN Diego Garcia, where there wasnt any 'insurgency', the entire population were exiled to ghettos thousands of miles away, simply cuz fukus wanted their land,]

    Then there’s the final solution////

    Simply kill off the commie ‘sympathizers’ wholesale,
    The massacre of villagers in Batang Kali, 1948, was later repleted thousands fold in Nam. My Lai was but a tip in the iceberg.

    ‘The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective [sic]if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. ‘

    Sure, like what they did in Indonesia 1965. Sean .

    orchestrating the wholesale slaughter of 3M ‘commie sympathizers’, including almost the entire segment of ethnic Chinese.

    P.S.
    In Indonesia 1965 there was no god damn war , no armed ‘insurgents’,
    there’s just cold blooded massacre of 3M innocent bystanders.

    Is that war wining effective enough to you . sean ?
    You’d be a worthy successor to James ‘mad dog’ Mattis.

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    A glimpse into the war wining effective way in Nam,

    'In August, the platoon moved on to Quang Nam province. The next month, the Army launched Operation Wheeler--one of the bloodiest campaigns of 1967. Lt. Col. Gerald Morse, nicknamed "Ghost Rider," was put in charge of a battalion made up of Tiger Force and three other units. He gave his A, B and C companies new names--Assassins, Barbarians and Cutthroats. And the soldiers lived up to these names.

    Within weeks of arriving in the area, U.S. troops faced fierce opposition from North Vietnamese forces. In response to ambushes that killed five Tiger Force members, U.S. troops went on a rampage, murdering unarmed civilians. "Everybody was bloodthirsty at the time, saying 'We're going to get them back...We're going to even the score,'" recalled medic Rion Causey. [1]

    To cover up the killings, platoon leaders began to count dead civilians as soldiers. Army records show that this vicious killing spree included the rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl--and the decapitation of a baby so that a Tiger Force soldier could take the baby's necklace.

    When women and children crawled into underground bunkers to hide, troops threw grenades into the holes. "We kept hearing human sounds which came from the direction of the bunkers," platoon member Charles Fulton told investigators. "They were the sounds of people that had been hurt and were trying to get someone's attention to get help."

    http://socialistworker.org/2003-2/476/476_05_WarCrimes.shtml

    [1]

    Sounds familiar ?
    Wasting the mother fuckers in Fallujah.
    to avenge for the death of four blackwater mercs killed by the 'insurgents'
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  167. denk says:
    @denk
    The Brits pioneered three of the most brutal 'anti insurgency' tactics in the world,,
    Detention, deportation, termination.

    In Malaya.
    they imprisoned whole villages into concentration camps called 'new settlements', to deprive 'insurgents' of their support base.
    Its called 'draining the fish ponds '
    This served as the template in Nam, where hundreds of thousands of innocent villagers were thrown into 'strategic hamlets'.

    Next up , deportation.
    Almost half a million of ethnic Chinese were summarily deported to 'drain the pond'.

    [fukus found this so convenient that,
    IN Diego Garcia, where there wasnt any 'insurgency', the entire population were exiled to ghettos thousands of miles away, simply cuz fukus wanted their land,]

    Then there's the final solution////

    Simply kill off the commie 'sympathizers' wholesale,
    The massacre of villagers in Batang Kali, 1948, was later repleted thousands fold in Nam. My Lai was but a tip in the iceberg.

    'The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective [sic]if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. '
     
    Sure, like what they did in Indonesia 1965. Sean .

    orchestrating the wholesale slaughter of 3M 'commie sympathizers', including almost the entire segment of ethnic Chinese.

    P.S.
    In Indonesia 1965 there was no god damn war , no armed 'insurgents',
    there's just cold blooded massacre of 3M innocent bystanders.

    Is that war wining effective enough to you . sean ?
    You'd be a worthy successor to James 'mad dog' Mattis.

    A glimpse into the war wining effective way in Nam,

    ‘In August, the platoon moved on to Quang Nam province. The next month, the Army launched Operation Wheeler–one of the bloodiest campaigns of 1967. Lt. Col. Gerald Morse, nicknamed “Ghost Rider,” was put in charge of a battalion made up of Tiger Force and three other units. He gave his A, B and C companies new names–Assassins, Barbarians and Cutthroats. And the soldiers lived up to these names.

    Within weeks of arriving in the area, U.S. troops faced fierce opposition from North Vietnamese forces. In response to ambushes that killed five Tiger Force members, U.S. troops went on a rampage, murdering unarmed civilians. “Everybody was bloodthirsty at the time, saying ‘We’re going to get them back…We’re going to even the score,’” recalled medic Rion Causey. [1]

    To cover up the killings, platoon leaders began to count dead civilians as soldiers. Army records show that this vicious killing spree included the rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl–and the decapitation of a baby so that a Tiger Force soldier could take the baby’s necklace.

    When women and children crawled into underground bunkers to hide, troops threw grenades into the holes. “We kept hearing human sounds which came from the direction of the bunkers,” platoon member Charles Fulton told investigators. “They were the sounds of people that had been hurt and were trying to get someone’s attention to get help.”

    http://socialistworker.org/2003-2/476/476_05_WarCrimes.shtml

    [1]

    Sounds familiar ?
    Wasting the mother fuckers in Fallujah.
    to avenge for the death of four blackwater mercs killed by the ‘insurgents’

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  168. Sean says:

    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out. Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses.
    There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country’s wealth

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-politics-cleric-exclusive/exclusive-indonesian-islamist-leader-says-ethnic-chinese-wealth-is-next-target-idUSKBN18817N

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said … “It seems they do not become more generous, more fair,” the cleric said, referring to Chinese Indonesians, in the interview in an Islamic centre in South Jakarta. “That’s the biggest problem.” Ethnic Chinese make up less than 5 percent of Indonesia’s population, but they control many of its large conglomerates and much of its wealth. Nasir also said also that foreign investment, especially investment from China, has not helped Indonesians in general.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/political-tribes-why-democracy-no-match-visceral-pull-us-against-them [...] While democracy can hurt small tribes, the other American prescription, free markets, can alienate big tribes if a country has a market-dominant minority – and it usually does. When Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela 20 years ago, the US understood him as a communist stooge. In fact, the brown-skinned Chávez was backed by most of Venezuela’s non-white majority, who were sick of a white elite controlling the economy. But when Chua pointed this out in her first book, many white Venezuelans insisted that they were colour-blind, and that racism didn’t exist in their gloriously miscegenated country. She got death threats. [...]

    They assume that once the country is given markets and democracy (or at least a pro-American dictator) then any pesky tribal issues will soon fade away. The prescription worked brilliantly in post-war Japan and West Germany, but then Japan had always been unusually ethnically homogenous, and Germany had become so through genocide. In the first half of Political Tribes, Chua argues that things went wrong when the US applied the usual prescription to more ethnically complex states such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Venezuela.

    Economic theories plus universalism a la Rostow have led the US to failure in intervention after intervention to destroy the forces inhibiting the supposedly natural progression to the next stage of growth.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China’s global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.

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    with people like sean, who needs the neocons ?

    When all murkka is a swamp, why even bother to drain the swamp
    in Washington ?
    , @Anonymous
    Sean says
    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out

    "Concentration camps" are a blot on the British record, though they were in place elsewhere before the Boer War happened. The British did not "invent" them. The Americans in the Philippines, and the Germans against the Herrero people of Namibia, all used concentration camps filled with brutalized women and children, before the Boer War. Also to be kept in mind is that tens of thousands of Africans also perished in the British Camps, almost as many as the Boers, but they are seldom remembered. In South West Africa or Namibia, the average death rate was 45% for the African civilians in the concentration camps under German rule. The brutal Shark Island concentration camp for example, saw only 245 Africans surviving out of a population of 1800, an 86% loss rate. (J. Hyslop. 2011. The Invention of the COncentration Camp)

    Interestingly, the white Boers sometimes used proto- "concentration camps" themselves in South Africa, when they rounded up the women and children of native tribes and enslaved (er, uh the 'politically correct' word the Boers used at the time was "apprenticed") them as cheap, bond labor to white farmers, as credible histories show. One history shows raids against the Venda or Sotho peoples, with men and women being herded into Kraals where they were later murdered. Another shows a Boer raid against the Langa people, where women and children were placed in camps, to be later parceled out to whites in virtual slavery. One woman was sold several times- 6 pounds seems to have been the going rate- first in Pretoria, then to a Natal wagon driver, then to a wagon driver in Pretoria, then back to Natal. She was not allowed to leave, as the last white Boer master held on to her "registration" papers. Court cases in Boer courts show enslaved eight-year old African girls, some from Boer territory in the Transvaal, being tortured by white owners, torture so cruel that even white neighbors objected.

    In fact, the white Boers of the Republic of Transvaal conducted a large slave trade in thousands of African children, with continual commando raids in search of children to enslave. After enough of these children were concentrated in camps, they were forced to sometimes walk hundreds of kilometers before being turned over to Boer or English buyers. Research such as Women and Slavery- Gwyn Campbell, Suzanne Miers, Joseph Calder Miller- 2007 lay out the dismal details.

    , @TT

    Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses. There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country’s wealth.

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said …

     

    This interview accurately revealed the mind of these extremists Muslim groups, they are fueling racial tension to win next election with Chinese ethnic blood.

    Malaysia minority Chinese ethnic is similarly controlling 70% of economy. But their government leaders could see the reality. When Malays were decrying that, its then Indian-Muslim PM Mahatir actually asked Malays to be realistic. He said: Malay language does not even has a word meaning "strive" bcos lazy Malays don't strive. Chinese are natural good at business, so let them strive, and we shall hold on to political power to tax them, thus enjoy their fruits. So Malays agreed, subsequent leaders continue this policy and the country continue to prosper in harmony.

    Indonesian on the other hand, fell for the Anglos instigation, so they genocide the Chinese regularly to rob their wealth, at the same time destroying own economy as Indo Malays are worst than Malaysia's, so their country remain very poor. The West is appropriating their resources by instigating independent insurgency at all oil rich areas, as autonomous gov can be arm twisted for better bargain than with Indo gov.

    Ex Potus Clinto actually openly declared Indo ex-Pres Suharto too corrupted need to be removed, after he no longer served US interest. Someone working for Halliburton alerted me, look out for big scale riots or wars in Indonesia soon, bcos Halliburton had set up a region office in Australia during peace time, for sure US lackeys OzNz aren't their target.

    Halliburton make $ from war reconstruction & monopolized UN body bags supply at hyper price. True enough, 1yr later, Indonesia had outbreak of organized thugs riots, Muslims are killing Chinese ethnics brutally, then turn on to their own race killing Christians, then among different Muslims sect.

    During the chaos, powerful Suharto was brought down by his own son-in-law General Wiranto who wanted to replace him but ended up losing election and bcom a karaoke singer. Corruption bcom more rampant since. During the chaotic period, Indo lost East Timor under Australia plot(bcos of newly found oil).

    Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam had quite similar situation.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China’s global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.
     
    Very high possible bloody outcome, Asean has a long history of that, purging hardworking Chinese ethnic dominating most business.

    Indonesia is most likely to happen with its long history of Muslim group massacre Chinese ethnic. This same Muslim group is now using racial issue for politics, and violently against their Pres to probe the history of the genocide of million innocents(communist) by them. In 1998 riot, China actually warn Indo gov for not render protection to Chinese ethnic.

    Malaysia Chinese is now stupidly herded by CIA to go against their moderate pro Chinese UMNO government, supporting Muslim extremists opposition that will impose Sariah law and suppressed all non Malay Muslim ethnics. They have forgotten how Malays slaughtered them in past riots, and Indonesia recent riots failed to remind these fools from happily join CIA FB: Black Shirts protest...
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  169. denk says:
    @Sean
    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out. Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses.
    There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country's wealth

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-politics-cleric-exclusive/exclusive-indonesian-islamist-leader-says-ethnic-chinese-wealth-is-next-target-idUSKBN18817N

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said ... “It seems they do not become more generous, more fair,” the cleric said, referring to Chinese Indonesians, in the interview in an Islamic centre in South Jakarta. “That’s the biggest problem.” Ethnic Chinese make up less than 5 percent of Indonesia’s population, but they control many of its large conglomerates and much of its wealth. Nasir also said also that foreign investment, especially investment from China, has not helped Indonesians in general.
     


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/political-tribes-why-democracy-no-match-visceral-pull-us-against-them [...] While democracy can hurt small tribes, the other American prescription, free markets, can alienate big tribes if a country has a market-dominant minority – and it usually does. When Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela 20 years ago, the US understood him as a communist stooge. In fact, the brown-skinned Chávez was backed by most of Venezuela’s non-white majority, who were sick of a white elite controlling the economy. But when Chua pointed this out in her first book, many white Venezuelans insisted that they were colour-blind, and that racism didn’t exist in their gloriously miscegenated country. She got death threats. [...]

    They assume that once the country is given markets and democracy (or at least a pro-American dictator) then any pesky tribal issues will soon fade away. The prescription worked brilliantly in post-war Japan and West Germany, but then Japan had always been unusually ethnically homogenous, and Germany had become so through genocide. In the first half of Political Tribes, Chua argues that things went wrong when the US applied the usual prescription to more ethnically complex states such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Venezuela.
     

    Economic theories plus universalism a la Rostow have led the US to failure in intervention after intervention to destroy the forces inhibiting the supposedly natural progression to the next stage of growth.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China's global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.

    with people like sean, who needs the neocons ?

    When all murkka is a swamp, why even bother to drain the swamp
    in Washington ?

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    You are correct that neocons and economists like Rostow are not needed to have aggressive war, which is always defensive from the standpoint of the one who starts it. War and conflict between countries and the groups within, and in the case of immigration between, countries (including goups such as ethic groups, castes and socio-economic classes) is endemic. It is almost like there are genuine conflicts of interest between such entities!

    At a lower level clans, families and individuals within families are in conflict too. It's turtles all the way down. Why, even you are a mass of competing impulses, and the neurons in your brain are in competition to grow in strength and influence too.

    Some people might see that as an algorithmic process that you can roll with or ignore irrespective of the consequences to your country, people, relatives and self. But it does exist.

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  170. denk says:
    @gT

    "I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again"

     

    Hmmmmm, seems the love of Chinese is spreading.

    Just because the West is bad doesn't automatically mean that the East is good, China is in fact much worse than the West. So nice more people are seeing the light. Hallelujah !!!!

    Just because the West is bad doesn’t automatically mean that the East is good,

    Every prez post Nixon agrees that there’s only one country which ‘shared murkkan values’, India .

    The Indians can teach their murkkan soulmates a thing or two,
    when it comes to ‘counter insurgency’,

    Shoot to death,
    Torture to death,
    Starved to death,
    Raped to death…….

    in the NE, Kashmir, on Dalits……

    http://e-pao.net/epSubPageExtractor.asp?src=news_section.Sadar_Hills_District_Demand_201108.The_Hill_Valley_divide_widens_again_By_Jubilate_Kazingmei

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  171. Sean says:
    @denk
    with people like sean, who needs the neocons ?

    When all murkka is a swamp, why even bother to drain the swamp
    in Washington ?

    You are correct that neocons and economists like Rostow are not needed to have aggressive war, which is always defensive from the standpoint of the one who starts it. War and conflict between countries and the groups within, and in the case of immigration between, countries (including goups such as ethic groups, castes and socio-economic classes) is endemic. It is almost like there are genuine conflicts of interest between such entities!

    At a lower level clans, families and individuals within families are in conflict too. It’s turtles all the way down. Why, even you are a mass of competing impulses, and the neurons in your brain are in competition to grow in strength and influence too.

    Some people might see that as an algorithmic process that you can roll with or ignore irrespective of the consequences to your country, people, relatives and self. But it does exist.

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    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we'd have to do it our way, our 'war wining effective' way. While we'r at it, we'll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC 'fifth' columnists in SEA days are numbered, they've more genocides coming their way.
     
    Is that what you are saying ?
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  172. @Anon
    Drugged, decadent, easily manipulated, narcissistic and ignorant of history, how will Americans deal with the existential storm awaiting them?

    Lindindrop, I think you're projecting Vietnamese fears onto the US and whole world. I understand Vietnamese have had a difficult relationship with China. And China claims lots of islands and waters contested by Vietnamese. But seriously, China is no threat to the world. What are Chinese gonna do? Build a super navy and threaten every continent? ROTFL.

    I don't think Chinese can do much in the US. Even with lots of Chinese immigration, the US has too many people and too many talented non-Chinese. Also, too many Chinese women in the US marry other races and raise non-Chinese kids. Chinese will do well in the US but never come close to gaining dominance. Also, PC doesn't protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Where Chinese might make a differences is in Canada and Australia, but you can't blame the Chinese for the stupidity that is entirely Anglo. I don't know what's up with these Anglo morons.
    Now, it made sense why Anglos returned Hong Kong to China. Even though Brits pretty much built that city-state, it is part of Chinese land mass and most HK people are Chinese.

    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can't blame this on Chinese aggression. It's just Anglo stupidity.

    Same rule applies to Russia. There is no way China can take any part of Russia UNLESS Russians decided to act stupid like Anglos and open up entire regions of Siberia to Chinese settlers. Hopefully, Russians won't be that retarded.
    I don't get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there's no stopping it.
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that 'racism' is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is 'racist'. Since there is nothing worse than 'racism', whites can't say NO to more invasion.

    With their brief existence, and dumbed down now by a degraded and warped education, most Americans have a telescoped and cartoony sense of history, so nothing matters, really, beyond the last two or three presidential elections,

    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    Also, all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is. The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it's not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become 'Americans'.
    If Americanism is so stupid, why do so many people in the Old World still want to become shallow Americans? It's because for most people, history is dead and boring, and they want to live in the world of here and now. And America offers that. Old World people created America because they wanted a land where forgetful happiness trumps memory of tragedy.

    "Having no historical depth, many Americans will claim that China, for example, is a peace loving and fair-minded civilization that shuns invasions and genocides, but you couldn’t have become the most populous nation on earth without gobbling up many lesser ones, and China’s appetite will only increase as its girth balloons even further. To thrive, it will need a chain of vassals and colonies, same as it ever was. By 1820, China has expanded to roughly its present shape, with some territory lost since, and other regions becoming more firmly under Chinese control and Sinicized. From 1735 to 1792, China waged ten major wars, including campaigns against the Burmese, Vietnamese, Gurkhas, Xinjiang Muslims, Dzungars and Jinhchuan hill tribes."

    LOL. Few Americans think Chinese are peaceful. The Chinese Exclusion Act Era depicted Chinese as invasive rats. And during the Cold War, many Americans thought Red Chinese were about to spread revolution all over. There were plenty of Ming the Merciless and Fu Man Chu archetypes. And there have been lots of Chinese villains in movies. Most Americans are not like Godfree Roberts. They see Chinese as big dragon trying to gobble up everything. Notice how Trump and Hillary both got mileage by attacking China, the scapedragon.

    Also, Chinese populousness has little to do with gobbling up other parts. After all, most Chinese have been Han Chinese. So, Chinese populousness owes to Han Chinese having more and more kids, not invading other peoples. Because of Modern China's birth control policies, the share of Han Chinese has gone down in China to around 90%. But even in 1980, Han Chinese were like 96% of all people in China. Also, traditionally and even now, most Chinese people have been in the eastern half of the nation. So, even if China had not expanded geographically, it would have a vast population. India is 2/3 the side of China but has the same amount of people. Population growth.

    Also, it was not the Chinese who presided over the most intensive outbreaks of geographic expansion. Han Chinese have been rather conservative and fearful of the outerworld. They not only dreaded the entry of foreigners but the departure of Chinese. Chinese way was "foreign devil, you no come here; Chinese, you no go there."
    Paradoxically, China expanded most under foreign rule. When Mongols invaded China, they invaded far beyond China's borders. So, China came to inherit what the Mongols had taken. Chinese, being more conservative, had lacked the audacity of the reckless Mongols. Mongols were willing to charge into any part of the world. As the Mongols came to be absorbed by the very people they'd conquered, the Chinese ended up inheriting much of Mongol gains.

    And then, the other great period of expansion was during the Qing or Ching Dynasty that followed the Ming Dynasty.
    Now, look at the map of Ming dynasty. Surely big but nothing like what came later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ming_Empire_cca_1580_(en).svg

    Ming China didn't have Manchuria, Tibet, Mongolia, or Xianxiang. So, how did those parts become part of China? Chinese didn't invade them. Instead, the Chinese got invaded by Manchurians who recruited a bunch of Mongol archers who comprised 80% of horse-warriors used by Manchus.
    So, the Chinese came under foreign rule again. And why were the Manchu-Mongols more expansive? Because they were more barbaric and had semi-nomadic thirst for more adventure and conquest. So, Chinese expansion was paradoxical. It wasn't a case of Chinese conquering all those lands but a case of Chinese coming under foreign rule that also expanded into other areas. These adventurous Manchus and Mongols didn't want to stop at invading China. They figured, "If we can beat the great Chinese, we can kick some more butt." So, they also took Tibet and Xianxiang. And since Manchus and Mongols had power over China, Manchuria and Mongolia also came to be part of the new order.

    Look at Manchu Ching dynasty at its height:

    It's shiiiiite!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty#/media/File:18_century_Qing_China.png

    Of course, as long as the Ching dynasty remained in power, the Manchus and their Mongol thugs thought they had control over the Chinese, Tibetans, and Uighurs. But as Manchu power faded, the far more populous Chinese were bound to inherit all that the Manchus and Mongols had conquered. So, areas that Chinese never dreamed or bothered to conquer became theirs. Also, since the conquering Manchus and Mongols had regarded their own domains as part of the great empire, those parts also fell into the hands of China. Indeed, if not for Soviet insistence, Mongolia would also be part of China today.

    Sometimes a people conquer stuff on their own. Other times, what others conquered or claimed by others fall into their hands. US got lucky when Napoleon offered Louisiana territory for peanuts. And the idiot Russians sold Alaska to the US for a case of vodka.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn't have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    And we are seeing the same pattern with Australia and Canada. The mighty adventurous Anglos conquered those lands. They were the lions. But they've grown soft, stupid, or weak, and they are now letting Hindu hyenas and Chinese chipmunks take them all.
    In this, the Chinese are sort of like Jews. Jews themselves conquered little, but they waited around to see what OTHER peoples were conquering and looked for ways to gain control over all those conquests. Jews didn't have the numbers to invade lands and peoples. But they had the smarts and skills to take over by infiltration.
    Take the UK. Germans couldn't take over Britain through invasion. But Jews took over Britain through infiltration. And Jews have infiltrated Anglo hearts and souls so much in UK, Canada, US, and Australia that all those cucky sucky whites are surrendering to homomania and Afro-worship.

    Also, according to BROTHER ENEMY by Nayan Chandra, China sometimes got involved in Vietnam because Vietnam was acting like a little bully.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1180721.Brother_Enemy

    The book says Cambodia was being carved up by Thais and Viets. Cambodians asked Chinese for help, and that is why Chinese intervened in Vietnam. Cambodians feared Vietnamese and Thai imperialism. But Vietnamese told the Chinese "fuc* you", and there was fighting... in which Viets usually got the upper hand because it's hard to fight in the jungle with mangoes and tigers.

    China got along better with Korea because Korea was more isolated geographically. Unlike Korea, Vietnam couldn't resist chiseling off more pieces of Cambodia, and Cambodians kept asking Chinese for help, in which case China told Vietnamese to stop it, and Viets said 'fuc* you', and then China invaded and then Vietnamese kicked Chinese butt again.

    I dunno if Chanda Nayan is right about this, but he says Cambodia would likely have been wiped off the map if not for French imperialism that stopped Vietnamese and Siamese imperialism against it.

    But then, keep in mind that the French moved into Vietnam ONLY after China lost the opium wars and was exposed as weak. When European powers had feared China as a great power, they were cautious about messing with Chinese sphere of influence. It was when China was exposed as weak that the Europeans began to move into nations right next to China.
    So, the even though Vietnam had problems with China, China had also been a protective buttress against European imperialism. AS long as China was deemed powerful, Europeans were very cautious about approaching Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. So, for Vietnam, China was both curse and blessing. Chinese could sometimes be overbearing, but the might of China kept OTHER foreigners away.
    It's like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders. Also, nations that had traditionally seen Russia as its main enemy are now having second thoughts. Hungarians have bitter memory of 1956 and Soviet-puppet government, but now, they are sensing that the main threat comes from the US globalism that wants to flood Hungary with Africans and Muslims.

    Anyway, current China is ruled by Han folks, not by Mongols or Manchu barbarians. These Han folks tend to be technocratic. They can be shrewd in business, but they are not a warlike people. They want regional hegemony to be sure, but they have no plans to take over other nations UNLESS other nations are stupid enough to allow massive Chinese immigration.

    Also, despite Sino-Viet split after the Vietnam War, North Vietnam could not have won without Chinese support. So, it's about time both sides just cooled off. The real contention involves some islands and control of seas, and that will just have to be decided by intelligent diplomacy.

    Also, PC doesn’t protect Chinese from criticism and even condemnation. Chinese, like Russians and Iranians, can be bashed by PC 24/7. PC only really protects Jews, homos, and blacks.

    Not really. The Chinese just don’t RESPOND as aggressively or visibly to racist jibes, narratives etc, so PC is not as active. Also white women are nicely protected by PC these days not merely Jews, homos etc.

    .
    But Australia and Canada were built by Anglo pioneers who did most of the heavy lifting. They had the vision and provided most of the muscle. So, they should do everything to secure those lands for Anglos, but the morons are letting in tons of Chinese and Hindus. Unlike the US, Australia and Canada can get swamped by Chinese(and Hindus) because their populations are rather low and there are LOTS OF Chinese and Hindus. But we can’t blame this on Chinese aggression. It’s just Anglo stupidity.

    Not really. Who says the Anglos are stupid? They can afford to let in even more Chinese and Hindoos because:

    a) the incoming is bringing money with them, and Anglos always love money. It is no longer peasant farmers as in the 1800s.

    b) The incoming are not only more educated than the peasants of yore, but they are wiling to take low- level jobs that white Anglos shy away from, and are willing in some cases to work at cheaper wages, adding to the profitable bottom lines of white Anglo businesses.

    c) As the white Anglo population ages, the incoming, who tend to be younger, work and contribute more in payouts to the social security systems that benefit the older Anglos.

    d) Anglos always have the option of metering or choking off immigration, and in any event, through control of the bulk of the land, the legal system, government and educational institutions, can, and do discriminate against the incoming in favor os whites. Hence you will find lower qualified whites holding jobs or university admission slots and not higher qualified Asians, despite a lot of pious white talk about “merit.” This is indeed a standard Asian complaint. So again, who says Anglos are being “stupid” when in fact they control the overall card game to their benefit?

    .
    I don’t get these Anglo morons. They bitch about the non-existent Russian threat but turn a blind eye to the real threat caused by mass immigration-invasion. So, Anglos think they should hate fellow white Russians but welcome endless waves of non-white invaders. Go figure. When people go full-retard, there’s no stopping it.

    Rather naïve. Who says “fellow white Russians” are these nice allies of the white West, or a “non-existent” threat? For most of recorded history, Russians have actually been strategic competitors looking to gain the upper hand. FOR NOW, Russians find it convenient to play a sort of “white solidarity card” but only because it is a current point of vulnerability that can be exploited- a wedge issue that can be used to gain access, influence and advantage. Once their strategic objectives are achieved vis a vis the West, Russia will drop the “white solidarity card.” It is only a convenience for now.

    The Fuehrer was not naïve back in the day and saw through the duplicity of the Russian. Hence his Nazi-Soviet pact was designed to be a temporary checkpoint, before the real battle was joined. Russia is only “playing” the right white in the US and elsewhere. It may well link up with China via the “One Belt-One Road” initiative and others to secure a good foothold in the vital Middle East, putting itself in a stronger position as arbiter of western Eurasia’s fortunes. The “alt right” and such are only pawns for now.

    As for the mass immigration invasion, most of the threat is by “Caucasoids” from the Middle East, not Africans or Asians. And it is the white West that has played a big hand in sparking the wars and upheavals that have generated the masses of immigration of their fellow “Caucasoids.”

    .
    I guess Ideas do matter. Over several generations, whites have been brainwashed with the idea that ‘racism’ is the worst thing. According to PC, white people excluding non-whites as immigrants is ‘racist’. Since there is nothing worse than ‘racism’, whites can’t say NO to more invasion.

    More laughable naivete and boilerplate right wing propaganda. Who says white people think “racism” is the worse thing? If so, why is racial discrimination against blacks alive and well in housing, credit and employment markets as credible studies document time and time again? And why are Asians complaining again and again that white talk ab out “merit” is sometimes hypocritical when they see whites rigging the game to ensure for example, that lower qualified whites get university and employment slots that Asians are better qualified for? The well documented analyses of Ron Unz as to discrimination against Asians in university admissions is only one illustration of this reality. White people don’t want to be seen AS OPENLY RACIST. But that’s just on the surface. UNDER THE SURFACE, they are maneuvering for every racial advantage they can.

    .
    Sad but that also applies to every people around the world. Swedes say there is no such thing as Swedish culture. Most Arabs and Pakistanis in America know nothing and only care about pop culture. Most young Chinese have no clue what really happened in Great Leap Forward. Most Japanese kids know nothing about WWII and live in cartoony world.

    This bears little relation to reality. Swedes have no culture? Really? and most Arabs only care about “pop culture”? Oh so they don’t care about say- Islam?

    .
    all Americans are from the Old World, so blame the Old World for why America became what it is.

    LOL, No. Learn some basic history. Actually all Americans are not form the “old World.” You seem to have forgotten a Middle and South America which has been contributing to the “American” population since the 1500s.

    .
    The fact that so many people in the Old World decided to forget what they are and become Americans shows that it’s not just an American problem but an old world problem. Old Worlders wanted to dump their own identity and inheritance and just become ‘Americans’.

    Really? Last time anyone checked, the Irish, though embracing their American side of the house, have not at all dumped their “Old Worlds” identity. In fact until recent decades they were actively contributing millions per year to help their Catholic Irish brothers fight the Protestant “Old World” British.

    So, you see, Chinese are not a race of wolves or lions. They are scavengers like jackals and vultures. They didn’t have the balls to take Tibet and Uighurland. They built a wall and never dreamed to invade Mongolia or Manchuria. Rather, the Manchus and Mongols invaded China and then invaded Uighurs and Tibets, and then, all that good stuff fell into Chinese hands.

    Chinese are not much worse than whites as far as jackals or scavengers, as the historical record well shows. Just ask Native Americans. And re Chinese policy, You are contradicting yourself, showing how little grasp you have of the actual facts. Up above you say the Chinese did not “have the balls” to take Tibet etc. But then you admit that the same Tibet and Uighur fell into Chinese hands. How could they “lack the balls” to do something, yet do it at the same time? LOL.

    As for “balls” why should the Chinese back in that day mount a series of massive draining campaigns year after year against fractious nomadic tribes when a wall, combined with a policy of payoffs, punitive expeditions and strategic “divide and conquer” diplomacy get the job done? The British followed pretty much the same “management” strategy for over a century in India’s frontier regions and kept a lid on things until they departed. Likewise the Russians pulled a “barbarian management” strategy in Central Asia for centuries and it worked for them more or less.

    .
    It’s like when Russia was seen as powerful, other great powers were careful to approach its borders. But with sinking Russian fortunes after the Cold War, NATO and globalist-imperialists have moved up to Russian borders.

    But here again you are somewhat contradicting yourself. If the Russians feel threatened when NATO moves close to its borders, a NATO led by the US which wants to maintain its hegemony in Europe, how then can you claim earlier that Russia is not a strategic competitor? If Russia wants hegemony in its own Eastern European and Central Asian sphere of influence, how is that not competitive with the US desire for hegemony?

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  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out. Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses.
    There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country's wealth

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-politics-cleric-exclusive/exclusive-indonesian-islamist-leader-says-ethnic-chinese-wealth-is-next-target-idUSKBN18817N

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said ... “It seems they do not become more generous, more fair,” the cleric said, referring to Chinese Indonesians, in the interview in an Islamic centre in South Jakarta. “That’s the biggest problem.” Ethnic Chinese make up less than 5 percent of Indonesia’s population, but they control many of its large conglomerates and much of its wealth. Nasir also said also that foreign investment, especially investment from China, has not helped Indonesians in general.
     


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/political-tribes-why-democracy-no-match-visceral-pull-us-against-them [...] While democracy can hurt small tribes, the other American prescription, free markets, can alienate big tribes if a country has a market-dominant minority – and it usually does. When Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela 20 years ago, the US understood him as a communist stooge. In fact, the brown-skinned Chávez was backed by most of Venezuela’s non-white majority, who were sick of a white elite controlling the economy. But when Chua pointed this out in her first book, many white Venezuelans insisted that they were colour-blind, and that racism didn’t exist in their gloriously miscegenated country. She got death threats. [...]

    They assume that once the country is given markets and democracy (or at least a pro-American dictator) then any pesky tribal issues will soon fade away. The prescription worked brilliantly in post-war Japan and West Germany, but then Japan had always been unusually ethnically homogenous, and Germany had become so through genocide. In the first half of Political Tribes, Chua argues that things went wrong when the US applied the usual prescription to more ethnically complex states such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Venezuela.
     

    Economic theories plus universalism a la Rostow have led the US to failure in intervention after intervention to destroy the forces inhibiting the supposedly natural progression to the next stage of growth.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China's global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.

    Sean says
    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out

    “Concentration camps” are a blot on the British record, though they were in place elsewhere before the Boer War happened. The British did not “invent” them. The Americans in the Philippines, and the Germans against the Herrero people of Namibia, all used concentration camps filled with brutalized women and children, before the Boer War. Also to be kept in mind is that tens of thousands of Africans also perished in the British Camps, almost as many as the Boers, but they are seldom remembered. In South West Africa or Namibia, the average death rate was 45% for the African civilians in the concentration camps under German rule. The brutal Shark Island concentration camp for example, saw only 245 Africans surviving out of a population of 1800, an 86% loss rate. (J. Hyslop. 2011. The Invention of the COncentration Camp)

    Interestingly, the white Boers sometimes used proto- “concentration camps” themselves in South Africa, when they rounded up the women and children of native tribes and enslaved (er, uh the ‘politically correct’ word the Boers used at the time was “apprenticed”) them as cheap, bond labor to white farmers, as credible histories show. One history shows raids against the Venda or Sotho peoples, with men and women being herded into Kraals where they were later murdered. Another shows a Boer raid against the Langa people, where women and children were placed in camps, to be later parceled out to whites in virtual slavery. One woman was sold several times- 6 pounds seems to have been the going rate- first in Pretoria, then to a Natal wagon driver, then to a wagon driver in Pretoria, then back to Natal. She was not allowed to leave, as the last white Boer master held on to her “registration” papers. Court cases in Boer courts show enslaved eight-year old African girls, some from Boer territory in the Transvaal, being tortured by white owners, torture so cruel that even white neighbors objected.

    In fact, the white Boers of the Republic of Transvaal conducted a large slave trade in thousands of African children, with continual commando raids in search of children to enslave. After enough of these children were concentrated in camps, they were forced to sometimes walk hundreds of kilometers before being turned over to Boer or English buyers. Research such as Women and Slavery- Gwyn Campbell, Suzanne Miers, Joseph Calder Miller- 2007 lay out the dismal details.

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  174. denk says:
    @Sean
    You are correct that neocons and economists like Rostow are not needed to have aggressive war, which is always defensive from the standpoint of the one who starts it. War and conflict between countries and the groups within, and in the case of immigration between, countries (including goups such as ethic groups, castes and socio-economic classes) is endemic. It is almost like there are genuine conflicts of interest between such entities!

    At a lower level clans, families and individuals within families are in conflict too. It's turtles all the way down. Why, even you are a mass of competing impulses, and the neurons in your brain are in competition to grow in strength and influence too.

    Some people might see that as an algorithmic process that you can roll with or ignore irrespective of the consequences to your country, people, relatives and self. But it does exist.

    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we’d have to do it our way, our ‘war wining effective‘ way. While we’r at it, we’ll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC ‘fifth’ columnists in SEA days are numbered, they’ve more genocides coming their way.

    Is that what you are saying ?

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    @Sean
    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we’d have to do it our way, our ‘war wining effective‘ way. While we’r at it, we’ll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC ‘fifth’ columnists in SEA days are numbered, they’ve more genocides coming their way.

    Is that what you are saying ?


    Well, I don't know what the poster Sean is saying

    However, it seems there is beginning to develop a pattern wherein if/when the so-called "established powers", who consider their dominance of humanity their God-given right, start to lose within the parameters of the very rules they themselves have set-up, they complain of cheating and choose yo throw out the rules altogether.

    I remember the scare about Japan's possible dominance in the 1980s. Japan, at that time, seemed set to dominate global export markets and was making large inroads into North America and Europe.

    There were 2 ways to respond. Relevant German ministries and companies, for example, began a thorough analysis of the strengths of Japan, as well as weaknesses, and they set about organizing Germany to compete effectively. Germans were going to play within the system, and survive. (Of course the other response was EU integration and the opening of the whole European market to German exports, and the hindering of Japan's access to same - but that's another post).

    But the United States had another, easier option (but with long-term consequences) - they would simply "modify" the very system they sponsored. Tariffs and anti-dumping measures were put into place, the U.S. mainstream media began loudly to decry Japan's "lack of independent labor unions, inhuman working hours, and overly aggressive export promotion".

    But perhaps the KEY weapon of the U.S. was the pressure they brought to bear by playing up the Soviet bogeyman. They told the Japanese that if they wanted protection from the USSR, they would have to accede to . . .

    The Plaza Accords. This forced Japan to revalue the Yen (vs the Dollar) at a much higher level. This made Japanese products much more expensive world wide. It massively hampered Japan's economy.

    Why did Japan say yes to what was essentially strong-arming? The levers of influence used by Washington on Japan's political and corporate leaders must have been powerful indeed. In any case, the Plaza Accords contributed to keep America from having to reorganize like Germany - and so America continued with business as usual (with the honorable exception of Silicon Valley). America is uncompetitive to this day.

    It's a little known fact that prior to the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi of Libya in 2011, the oil companies ENI (Italy) and Total (France) had just been outbid by Sinopec (China) for a contract to develop and refine major Libyan oil resources. Conveniently (too conveniently), shortly after the Arab Spring spread to Libya. This would have been contained, but then Britain and of course France began agitating for direct military intervention to "protect innocent Libyan civilians" - but actually to overthrow Libya's government, and (consequently to uncork Sub-Saharan Africa and let the migrant African tsunami into Europe - the law of unintended consequences).

    Can't compete with a Chinese company? Then shift the playing field to that of power-projection. The Mediterranean is a NATO lake! That'll teach those stupid Chinese not to do legitimate business in OUR backyard!

    Or take the recent massive Chinese engagement in Africa. Ports, airfields, depots, warehouses, highways and railroads are being built across the continent. Schools, hospitals and government buildings are in the package. Mines and factories are being upgraded. This is by no means charity, according to China. They want raw materials and resources. So Africa is seeing more development than it has had in decades.
    How does America respond to this? Maybe with their own economic packages of factories, mining technology, railroads, highways, ports, schools and office buildings?

    NO. Can't compete in that area. So we have AFRICOM. You read that right: The United States Africa Command. A MILITARY response to a DIPLOMATIC-ECONOMIC challenge. That's right, check rival economic influence with military influence.

    Seriously? How is that supposed to work?!?
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  175. What is wrong with UNZ.com?

    What Panda can not stand in the last several years of this forum has been that:

    since it is, or at least was, a self-claimed “open” forum, who the heck you think you are of some self-righterous people labelling different views given by others as “troll”?

    What are these new “function” like “agree”, “disagree”, “troll”…?

    Is UNZ.com becoming a new breed of WMM? How ironic!

    “agree” what? “disagree” what? “troll” what?

    Who are the real troll here?

    Statistically speaking, you should instead feel proud to be “trolled” by larger brained people if you have any friggin intellectual curiosity after all, since at least you might learn something new from the extra 50 cm3 neurons that you’re clearly not born with.

    [email protected]~

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    Who are the real troll here?
     

    22pp22 says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:03 pm GMT
    @Anon
    Trolling Chinese is so easy. Take a chill pill
     
    .

    Self proclaimed anglo troll, deserved some good beatings isn't it?

    Exchange ideas is good, not racist biase nonsense blaming Chinese for Mao's starving and every shit problems of Anglos, with twisted history.

    Chinese had resided in many places well before Anglos arrived. If they don't like Chinese, move on don't whine. But you can hardly find a place without Chinese present, even in Siberia or arctic consider its largest ethnic people.

    At present, total overseas Chinese is only 50M, 3.5% of China population. This is insignificant compare to most migrant countries, especially their present in Western countries is very small. And majority were diaspora of labourer migrants exploited during British colonial time, wars driven, rich economic migrants and intellectuals been purposely targeted by western countries.

    Chinese is not refugees or poor uneducated migrants, but usually of weathy, educated and hardworking, that's why they could do well and contribute much to their host countries with the lowest crimes compare to even majority white Europeans. They certainly don't deserve to be treated with such discrimination.

    Hopefully Xi could further open up dual citizenship for all overseas chinese in near future. Then we can see reversed flow, and let the Anglos whine again for their properties crash and losing economy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
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  176. myself says:
    @denk
    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we'd have to do it our way, our 'war wining effective' way. While we'r at it, we'll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC 'fifth' columnists in SEA days are numbered, they've more genocides coming their way.
     
    Is that what you are saying ?


    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we’d have to do it our way, our ‘war wining effective‘ way. While we’r at it, we’ll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC ‘fifth’ columnists in SEA days are numbered, they’ve more genocides coming their way.

    Is that what you are saying ?

    Well, I don’t know what the poster Sean is saying

    However, it seems there is beginning to develop a pattern wherein if/when the so-called “established powers”, who consider their dominance of humanity their God-given right, start to lose within the parameters of the very rules they themselves have set-up, they complain of cheating and choose yo throw out the rules altogether.

    I remember the scare about Japan’s possible dominance in the 1980s. Japan, at that time, seemed set to dominate global export markets and was making large inroads into North America and Europe.

    There were 2 ways to respond. Relevant German ministries and companies, for example, began a thorough analysis of the strengths of Japan, as well as weaknesses, and they set about organizing Germany to compete effectively. Germans were going to play within the system, and survive. (Of course the other response was EU integration and the opening of the whole European market to German exports, and the hindering of Japan’s access to same – but that’s another post).

    But the United States had another, easier option (but with long-term consequences) – they would simply “modify” the very system they sponsored. Tariffs and anti-dumping measures were put into place, the U.S. mainstream media began loudly to decry Japan’s “lack of independent labor unions, inhuman working hours, and overly aggressive export promotion”.

    But perhaps the KEY weapon of the U.S. was the pressure they brought to bear by playing up the Soviet bogeyman. They told the Japanese that if they wanted protection from the USSR, they would have to accede to . . .

    The Plaza Accords. This forced Japan to revalue the Yen (vs the Dollar) at a much higher level. This made Japanese products much more expensive world wide. It massively hampered Japan’s economy.

    Why did Japan say yes to what was essentially strong-arming? The levers of influence used by Washington on Japan’s political and corporate leaders must have been powerful indeed. In any case, the Plaza Accords contributed to keep America from having to reorganize like Germany – and so America continued with business as usual (with the honorable exception of Silicon Valley). America is uncompetitive to this day.

    It’s a little known fact that prior to the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi of Libya in 2011, the oil companies ENI (Italy) and Total (France) had just been outbid by Sinopec (China) for a contract to develop and refine major Libyan oil resources. Conveniently (too conveniently), shortly after the Arab Spring spread to Libya. This would have been contained, but then Britain and of course France began agitating for direct military intervention to “protect innocent Libyan civilians” – but actually to overthrow Libya’s government, and (consequently to uncork Sub-Saharan Africa and let the migrant African tsunami into Europe – the law of unintended consequences).

    Can’t compete with a Chinese company? Then shift the playing field to that of power-projection. The Mediterranean is a NATO lake! That’ll teach those stupid Chinese not to do legitimate business in OUR backyard!

    Or take the recent massive Chinese engagement in Africa. Ports, airfields, depots, warehouses, highways and railroads are being built across the continent. Schools, hospitals and government buildings are in the package. Mines and factories are being upgraded. This is by no means charity, according to China. They want raw materials and resources. So Africa is seeing more development than it has had in decades.
    How does America respond to this? Maybe with their own economic packages of factories, mining technology, railroads, highways, ports, schools and office buildings?

    NO. Can’t compete in that area. So we have AFRICOM. You read that right: The United States Africa Command. A MILITARY response to a DIPLOMATIC-ECONOMIC challenge. That’s right, check rival economic influence with military influence.

    Seriously? How is that supposed to work?!?

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    Yes, Africom to fight AQ and co !

    Funny that even tho uncle aham has been fighting AQ[TM] since 2001, yet far from being wiped out, AQ keeps getting stronger and morphing into bigger force, ISIS .,
    Just like its aq brethens, this globe trotting outfit keep popping up wherever uncle sham needs an excuse to get its boot in,.... Iraq, Afpak, Libya, Syria.

    When Ph prez Duterte wanted to boot out the GI , ISIS mayhem erupted in Malawi as if on cue and the murkkans invited themselves back in again. !

    It gets curiouser and curiouser.

    While the murkkans have been supposedly kicking AQ ass since 2001. it's the Chinese who got shot at by the terrorists....in Afpak, SEA, Stans, Africa !

    Exhibit Mali,

    When the terrorist outfit carried out a well planned op and cornered a group of tourists including a big fat juicy group of murkkans and their Indian soul mates,
    guess whom did the jihadists pick on..........The Russians/Chinese, enemies of the 'great satan' !

    'International media have now confirmed that at least nine of the 27 killed in the attack were Chinese and Russian. While this alone would indeed be curious, it is the identities and positions of those killed that is particularly striking. The three Chinese victims were important figures in China’s China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), while the Russians were employees of Russian airline Volga-Dnepr. That it was these individuals who were killed at the very outset of the attack suggests that they were the likely targets of what could perhaps rightly be called a terrorist assassination operation.'

    https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/27/terror-in-mali-an-attack-on-china-and-russia/
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  177. @Quartermaster
    Yeah. The US beat them on the ground, but gave it away at the negotiation table and Kennedy, McGovern, and Mansfield, betrayed the South Vietnamese in the halls of congress. The thousands who died to keep the north out, certainly wouldn't find it funny.

    The US did not beat the NVA/VC on the ground- it STALEMATED the VC/NVA, big difference. Now after the US leaves in frustration, then the stalemate proceeds in favor of the communists. The US won SEVERAL engagements, especially those battalion level or higher, but it also suffered a number of defeats by the VC/NVA. The US achieved a stalemate, and at the end of 7 years, was only to glad to cut and go, leaving over 250,000 communist troops IN PLACE in the South.

    Carlton Meyer has compiled a list of 104 battles the US lost in Vietnam. I don’t agree with some of them, but his list serves to remind folk that any narrative of an unbroken string of US military victories, ruined by “the politicians” is dubious.

    “Lost Battles of the Vietnam War”

    http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm

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  178. TT says:
    @Sean
    Actually the Boer war was where the concentration camps and rampages against undefended women and children of the the dominant minority (by armed indigenous population auxiliaries) were invented by Britain. But they feared intervention by other great powers so were unable to go all out. Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses.
    There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country's wealth

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-politics-cleric-exclusive/exclusive-indonesian-islamist-leader-says-ethnic-chinese-wealth-is-next-target-idUSKBN18817N

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said ... “It seems they do not become more generous, more fair,” the cleric said, referring to Chinese Indonesians, in the interview in an Islamic centre in South Jakarta. “That’s the biggest problem.” Ethnic Chinese make up less than 5 percent of Indonesia’s population, but they control many of its large conglomerates and much of its wealth. Nasir also said also that foreign investment, especially investment from China, has not helped Indonesians in general.
     


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/political-tribes-why-democracy-no-match-visceral-pull-us-against-them [...] While democracy can hurt small tribes, the other American prescription, free markets, can alienate big tribes if a country has a market-dominant minority – and it usually does. When Hugo Chávez became president of Venezuela 20 years ago, the US understood him as a communist stooge. In fact, the brown-skinned Chávez was backed by most of Venezuela’s non-white majority, who were sick of a white elite controlling the economy. But when Chua pointed this out in her first book, many white Venezuelans insisted that they were colour-blind, and that racism didn’t exist in their gloriously miscegenated country. She got death threats. [...]

    They assume that once the country is given markets and democracy (or at least a pro-American dictator) then any pesky tribal issues will soon fade away. The prescription worked brilliantly in post-war Japan and West Germany, but then Japan had always been unusually ethnically homogenous, and Germany had become so through genocide. In the first half of Political Tribes, Chua argues that things went wrong when the US applied the usual prescription to more ethnically complex states such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Venezuela.
     

    Economic theories plus universalism a la Rostow have led the US to failure in intervention after intervention to destroy the forces inhibiting the supposedly natural progression to the next stage of growth.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China's global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.

    Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses. There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country’s wealth.

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said …

    This interview accurately revealed the mind of these extremists Muslim groups, they are fueling racial tension to win next election with Chinese ethnic blood.

    Malaysia minority Chinese ethnic is similarly controlling 70% of economy. But their government leaders could see the reality. When Malays were decrying that, its then Indian-Muslim PM Mahatir actually asked Malays to be realistic. He said: Malay language does not even has a word meaning “strive” bcos lazy Malays don’t strive. Chinese are natural good at business, so let them strive, and we shall hold on to political power to tax them, thus enjoy their fruits. So Malays agreed, subsequent leaders continue this policy and the country continue to prosper in harmony.

    Indonesian on the other hand, fell for the Anglos instigation, so they genocide the Chinese regularly to rob their wealth, at the same time destroying own economy as Indo Malays are worst than Malaysia’s, so their country remain very poor. The West is appropriating their resources by instigating independent insurgency at all oil rich areas, as autonomous gov can be arm twisted for better bargain than with Indo gov.

    Ex Potus Clinto actually openly declared Indo ex-Pres Suharto too corrupted need to be removed, after he no longer served US interest. Someone working for Halliburton alerted me, look out for big scale riots or wars in Indonesia soon, bcos Halliburton had set up a region office in Australia during peace time, for sure US lackeys OzNz aren’t their target.

    Halliburton make $ from war reconstruction & monopolized UN body bags supply at hyper price. True enough, 1yr later, Indonesia had outbreak of organized thugs riots, Muslims are killing Chinese ethnics brutally, then turn on to their own race killing Christians, then among different Muslims sect.

    During the chaos, powerful Suharto was brought down by his own son-in-law General Wiranto who wanted to replace him but ended up losing election and bcom a karaoke singer. Corruption bcom more rampant since. During the chaotic period, Indo lost East Timor under Australia plot(bcos of newly found oil).

    Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam had quite similar situation.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China’s global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.

    Very high possible bloody outcome, Asean has a long history of that, purging hardworking Chinese ethnic dominating most business.

    Indonesia is most likely to happen with its long history of Muslim group massacre Chinese ethnic. This same Muslim group is now using racial issue for politics, and violently against their Pres to probe the history of the genocide of million innocents(communist) by them. In 1998 riot, China actually warn Indo gov for not render protection to Chinese ethnic.

    Malaysia Chinese is now stupidly herded by CIA to go against their moderate pro Chinese UMNO government, supporting Muslim extremists opposition that will impose Sariah law and suppressed all non Malay Muslim ethnics. They have forgotten how Malays slaughtered them in past riots, and Indonesia recent riots failed to remind these fools from happily join CIA FB: Black Shirts protest…

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    sean seems to be threatening the SEA Chinese diaspora of an impending murkkan lead 1965 Indon massacre mark2.

    I was shocked at his audacity and requested a clarification. !

    Mahathir was right when he says that the UMNO, warts and all, is the most benign ruler for the Chinese minorities anywhere in SEA, other than Thailand.
    Just look at what happens to Chinese minorities in Indon and India. !

    Malaysian Chinese chaffed at the myriad discriminatory policies favoring the Bumiputras, in fact from the Malay perspective, such policies are imperative for their self preservation . I'd say its saner than the Sg policy of opening herself wide for Indian WMM invasion.

    The Malaysian Chinese support US patsies who peddle racial equality, thinking that it'd get them a fairer deal.
    Be careful what they wish for, they'll rue the day UMNO get toppled by the US sponsored oppositions !
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  179. denk says:
    @myself
    @Sean
    Whats all these drivel ?

    Just answer this question,

    We couldnt compete with China economically, we’d have to do it our way, our ‘war wining effective‘ way. While we’r at it, we’ll spread more democracy and help the SEA to get rid of their Chinese overlords, like what we did in Indonesia 1965.

    Those PRC ‘fifth’ columnists in SEA days are numbered, they’ve more genocides coming their way.

    Is that what you are saying ?


    Well, I don't know what the poster Sean is saying

    However, it seems there is beginning to develop a pattern wherein if/when the so-called "established powers", who consider their dominance of humanity their God-given right, start to lose within the parameters of the very rules they themselves have set-up, they complain of cheating and choose yo throw out the rules altogether.

    I remember the scare about Japan's possible dominance in the 1980s. Japan, at that time, seemed set to dominate global export markets and was making large inroads into North America and Europe.

    There were 2 ways to respond. Relevant German ministries and companies, for example, began a thorough analysis of the strengths of Japan, as well as weaknesses, and they set about organizing Germany to compete effectively. Germans were going to play within the system, and survive. (Of course the other response was EU integration and the opening of the whole European market to German exports, and the hindering of Japan's access to same - but that's another post).

    But the United States had another, easier option (but with long-term consequences) - they would simply "modify" the very system they sponsored. Tariffs and anti-dumping measures were put into place, the U.S. mainstream media began loudly to decry Japan's "lack of independent labor unions, inhuman working hours, and overly aggressive export promotion".

    But perhaps the KEY weapon of the U.S. was the pressure they brought to bear by playing up the Soviet bogeyman. They told the Japanese that if they wanted protection from the USSR, they would have to accede to . . .

    The Plaza Accords. This forced Japan to revalue the Yen (vs the Dollar) at a much higher level. This made Japanese products much more expensive world wide. It massively hampered Japan's economy.

    Why did Japan say yes to what was essentially strong-arming? The levers of influence used by Washington on Japan's political and corporate leaders must have been powerful indeed. In any case, the Plaza Accords contributed to keep America from having to reorganize like Germany - and so America continued with business as usual (with the honorable exception of Silicon Valley). America is uncompetitive to this day.

    It's a little known fact that prior to the toppling of Muammar Gaddafi of Libya in 2011, the oil companies ENI (Italy) and Total (France) had just been outbid by Sinopec (China) for a contract to develop and refine major Libyan oil resources. Conveniently (too conveniently), shortly after the Arab Spring spread to Libya. This would have been contained, but then Britain and of course France began agitating for direct military intervention to "protect innocent Libyan civilians" - but actually to overthrow Libya's government, and (consequently to uncork Sub-Saharan Africa and let the migrant African tsunami into Europe - the law of unintended consequences).

    Can't compete with a Chinese company? Then shift the playing field to that of power-projection. The Mediterranean is a NATO lake! That'll teach those stupid Chinese not to do legitimate business in OUR backyard!

    Or take the recent massive Chinese engagement in Africa. Ports, airfields, depots, warehouses, highways and railroads are being built across the continent. Schools, hospitals and government buildings are in the package. Mines and factories are being upgraded. This is by no means charity, according to China. They want raw materials and resources. So Africa is seeing more development than it has had in decades.
    How does America respond to this? Maybe with their own economic packages of factories, mining technology, railroads, highways, ports, schools and office buildings?

    NO. Can't compete in that area. So we have AFRICOM. You read that right: The United States Africa Command. A MILITARY response to a DIPLOMATIC-ECONOMIC challenge. That's right, check rival economic influence with military influence.

    Seriously? How is that supposed to work?!?

    Yes, Africom to fight AQ and co !

    Funny that even tho uncle aham has been fighting AQ[TM] since 2001, yet far from being wiped out, AQ keeps getting stronger and morphing into bigger force, ISIS .,
    Just like its aq brethens, this globe trotting outfit keep popping up wherever uncle sham needs an excuse to get its boot in,…. Iraq, Afpak, Libya, Syria.

    When Ph prez Duterte wanted to boot out the GI , ISIS mayhem erupted in Malawi as if on cue and the murkkans invited themselves back in again. !

    It gets curiouser and curiouser.

    While the murkkans have been supposedly kicking AQ ass since 2001. it’s the Chinese who got shot at by the terrorists….in Afpak, SEA, Stans, Africa !

    Exhibit Mali,

    When the terrorist outfit carried out a well planned op and cornered a group of tourists including a big fat juicy group of murkkans and their Indian soul mates,
    guess whom did the jihadists pick on……….The Russians/Chinese, enemies of the ‘great satan’ !

    ‘International media have now confirmed that at least nine of the 27 killed in the attack were Chinese and Russian. While this alone would indeed be curious, it is the identities and positions of those killed that is particularly striking. The three Chinese victims were important figures in China’s China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), while the Russians were employees of Russian airline Volga-Dnepr. That it was these individuals who were killed at the very outset of the attack suggests that they were the likely targets of what could perhaps rightly be called a terrorist assassination operation.’

    https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/27/terror-in-mali-an-attack-on-china-and-russia/

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    Jeez, they've actually stooped to outright murder. And for what? Because some railway execs and airlines managers were maybe TOO COMPETENT at their CIVILIAN JOBS?

    Damn, i am glad somebody (re: the linked article) is putting the pieces together.

    My scenarion for Africom is simple actually.

    It was put in place so that, should "Western" interests ever be legally and in above-board fashion, "compromised" by perfectly legitimate Chinese/Russian deals in Africa, the offending African government in question can be efficiently removed and replaced - preferably by coup d'etat or assassination, or by revolution and civil war if necessary.
    , @TT
    Globalresearch has article about how US shoved Africom into Africans throat by sending terrorists as justification after got rejected. US special force is in nearly all African countries now unreported, to sabotage of course. These killings happen now in Afghanistan, Pak too. More will come.

    When Fukus lost biz in Iraq(Russia got OilGas infrast, France Total got oil), they bombed it. France Pres Chirac angrily slammed Bush's hand off and lost his job. When FUSUKFr lost Libya biz to China, they destroyed it. Venz is now heavily targeted for Russia & China huge investment.

    CIA admitted, Osama BL was trained to lead jihad against Soviet in Afgh. Taliban, AQ, ISIS,... Russia Chechen, China Uyghur & Tibets, Sri Lanka LTTE,.. all terrorists are Fukus SOB. Who else will train & equip terrorists/rebels? Only fukus & its lackeys, India RAW, Pak, Israel, Turkey, Nato, Sweden,Oz(Timor)...

    Murkans fair trade rule: If monopoly lose advantage go WTO ->FTA ->TTP ->tariffs ->sanction ->embargo -> terrorists ->war.... If can't compete, juz kill them.

    Only one language Fukus understand, tics for tacs.
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  180. denk says:
    @TT

    Fear of China will fade when the US leads an alliance to contain it. And the locals may hove something to say about their corrupt elites and Chinese paymasters in Ali-Baba businesses. There are 240 million people in Indonesia, The tiny Chinese minority control 70% (at least) of the country’s wealth.

    In a rare interview, Bachtiar Nasir said …

     

    This interview accurately revealed the mind of these extremists Muslim groups, they are fueling racial tension to win next election with Chinese ethnic blood.

    Malaysia minority Chinese ethnic is similarly controlling 70% of economy. But their government leaders could see the reality. When Malays were decrying that, its then Indian-Muslim PM Mahatir actually asked Malays to be realistic. He said: Malay language does not even has a word meaning "strive" bcos lazy Malays don't strive. Chinese are natural good at business, so let them strive, and we shall hold on to political power to tax them, thus enjoy their fruits. So Malays agreed, subsequent leaders continue this policy and the country continue to prosper in harmony.

    Indonesian on the other hand, fell for the Anglos instigation, so they genocide the Chinese regularly to rob their wealth, at the same time destroying own economy as Indo Malays are worst than Malaysia's, so their country remain very poor. The West is appropriating their resources by instigating independent insurgency at all oil rich areas, as autonomous gov can be arm twisted for better bargain than with Indo gov.

    Ex Potus Clinto actually openly declared Indo ex-Pres Suharto too corrupted need to be removed, after he no longer served US interest. Someone working for Halliburton alerted me, look out for big scale riots or wars in Indonesia soon, bcos Halliburton had set up a region office in Australia during peace time, for sure US lackeys OzNz aren't their target.

    Halliburton make $ from war reconstruction & monopolized UN body bags supply at hyper price. True enough, 1yr later, Indonesia had outbreak of organized thugs riots, Muslims are killing Chinese ethnics brutally, then turn on to their own race killing Christians, then among different Muslims sect.

    During the chaos, powerful Suharto was brought down by his own son-in-law General Wiranto who wanted to replace him but ended up losing election and bcom a karaoke singer. Corruption bcom more rampant since. During the chaotic period, Indo lost East Timor under Australia plot(bcos of newly found oil).

    Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam had quite similar situation.

    China is a creditor and is going to squeeze the US. China’s global commercial supremacy will produce an American led alliance and military confrontation against China, and the overseas Chinese will meet the fate of the German minority in East Europe and Russia.
     
    Very high possible bloody outcome, Asean has a long history of that, purging hardworking Chinese ethnic dominating most business.

    Indonesia is most likely to happen with its long history of Muslim group massacre Chinese ethnic. This same Muslim group is now using racial issue for politics, and violently against their Pres to probe the history of the genocide of million innocents(communist) by them. In 1998 riot, China actually warn Indo gov for not render protection to Chinese ethnic.

    Malaysia Chinese is now stupidly herded by CIA to go against their moderate pro Chinese UMNO government, supporting Muslim extremists opposition that will impose Sariah law and suppressed all non Malay Muslim ethnics. They have forgotten how Malays slaughtered them in past riots, and Indonesia recent riots failed to remind these fools from happily join CIA FB: Black Shirts protest...

    sean seems to be threatening the SEA Chinese diaspora of an impending murkkan lead 1965 Indon massacre mark2.

    I was shocked at his audacity and requested a clarification. !

    Mahathir was right when he says that the UMNO, warts and all, is the most benign ruler for the Chinese minorities anywhere in SEA, other than Thailand.
    Just look at what happens to Chinese minorities in Indon and India. !

    Malaysian Chinese chaffed at the myriad discriminatory policies favoring the Bumiputras, in fact from the Malay perspective, such policies are imperative for their self preservation . I’d say its saner than the Sg policy of opening herself wide for Indian WMM invasion.

    The Malaysian Chinese support US patsies who peddle racial equality, thinking that it’d get them a fairer deal.
    Be careful what they wish for, they’ll rue the day UMNO get toppled by the US sponsored oppositions !

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    sean seems to be threatening the SEA Chinese diaspora of an impending murkkan lead 1965 Indon massacre mark2.

    I was shocked at his audacity and requested a clarification. !
     
    Sean make his message very plain, yes FUKUS might instigate that once complete its China containment, with the Indonesia anti-Chinese ground ripen to ignite. But he seemed more to share his critical insight than making a threat.

    This should serve all Chinese diaspora a big warning shot. Don't take for granted and happily latch on Uncle Scam war machine to go against China like Spore, Indonesia & Vietnam(Malaysia, Philippine, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Brunei are resisting), the big storm is behind the calm.

    SEA elites and businessmen are mainly Chinese ethnics, they ought to prepare for such bloody outcome. They have great influence in their gov to either help China peaceful rise with SEAsia or sink together to face another 1965 massacre.

    You might notice many idiots Spore & Malaysia Chinese are fed with Fukus msm sewage to go against everything China publicly, thinking Fukus is their damn God Saviour. Wait till China containment happen, wahabhi Muslim extremists infested Indo & Malaysia will be the fireworks. If Linh family is Viet-Chinese, they will have to row a boat to US as refugee again.

    Just look at what happens to Chinese minorities in Indon and India. !

     

    When i was in India, minority Chinese ethnic life in city was like any SEA, mostly affluent wealthier biz group living with indians in harmony, no restriction like Indo under Suharto era. They have Chinese temples, tradition, cuisine, speak Mandarin language/dialects. Numb is too few to have influence. Indo Chinese i know is quite good now under Pres Jokowi, they love his Chinese Jakarta governor Ah Hock, but Hock got jailed 2yrs by Muslim extremists.

    I’d say its saner than the Sg policy of opening herself wide for Indian WMM invasion.
     
    I juz saw that Spore Indian popn was up from 2% to 9%, that's over 300K import in 5yrs. There is even a Indian Muslim new migrant found joining ISIS. With all Indian Muslim Pres, Deputy PM, cabinet ministers, chief/appeal judges, Bank CEO, MAS Chief, Temasek GIC chief,...the last thing to change is a Indian PM to complete converting Singapore to Stink-a-pore..or Currypot....hehehehe

    Do vote wisely if they don't want to become minority squeeze out by Malla's kins. I might visit Spore nxt yr to check out Little Delhi? Hhhhhhh....
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  181. 22pp22 says:
    @denk
    Throwing tantrums now, after all your lies have been exposed !

    * We were prosperous while you literally starved under your hero Mao.
     
    The Chinese were poor with dignity, they earned their own keep,
    Cant say the same for those who get rich by robbery, .


    P.S.

    You'r very good at kicking a man when he's down, dont you ?
    Applying wheat embargo when Chinese were starving.

    *It was the treasonous greed of our own elites that hollowed out our industries and transferred them to China.

     

    Damn right,
    Thats why The Chinese would never trade Mao/Xi for any of your 45 potus,...Trumps../Obamas./Clintons/Bushes...

    but Why take it out on the Chinese , afaik they didnt 'rob' your industries at gun point ?

    so When are you boys gonna get some spine and replace those mafiasos in DC with someone at least half decent, someone who understand that he's job is to look after murkkans welfare, not ruling the universe ?

    When is the murkkan embassy ' aka coup specialist, when you need one ?
    HEHEHHEH

    *China can retreat back behind the bamboo curtain. I would not care if I never saw another Chinese person ever again.

    We were happier without you. You have made it plain you would be happier without us.

     

    Its actually very simple kid,
    stop screwing around in China's backyard !

    There is nothing dignified about starving to death.

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    Some people would rather die with dignity,

    People who do blood for oil for a living wouldnt understand.

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  182. myself says:
    @denk
    Yes, Africom to fight AQ and co !

    Funny that even tho uncle aham has been fighting AQ[TM] since 2001, yet far from being wiped out, AQ keeps getting stronger and morphing into bigger force, ISIS .,
    Just like its aq brethens, this globe trotting outfit keep popping up wherever uncle sham needs an excuse to get its boot in,.... Iraq, Afpak, Libya, Syria.

    When Ph prez Duterte wanted to boot out the GI , ISIS mayhem erupted in Malawi as if on cue and the murkkans invited themselves back in again. !

    It gets curiouser and curiouser.

    While the murkkans have been supposedly kicking AQ ass since 2001. it's the Chinese who got shot at by the terrorists....in Afpak, SEA, Stans, Africa !

    Exhibit Mali,

    When the terrorist outfit carried out a well planned op and cornered a group of tourists including a big fat juicy group of murkkans and their Indian soul mates,
    guess whom did the jihadists pick on..........The Russians/Chinese, enemies of the 'great satan' !

    'International media have now confirmed that at least nine of the 27 killed in the attack were Chinese and Russian. While this alone would indeed be curious, it is the identities and positions of those killed that is particularly striking. The three Chinese victims were important figures in China’s China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), while the Russians were employees of Russian airline Volga-Dnepr. That it was these individuals who were killed at the very outset of the attack suggests that they were the likely targets of what could perhaps rightly be called a terrorist assassination operation.'

    https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/27/terror-in-mali-an-attack-on-china-and-russia/

    Jeez, they’ve actually stooped to outright murder. And for what? Because some railway execs and airlines managers were maybe TOO COMPETENT at their CIVILIAN JOBS?

    Damn, i am glad somebody (re: the linked article) is putting the pieces together.

    My scenarion for Africom is simple actually.

    It was put in place so that, should “Western” interests ever be legally and in above-board fashion, “compromised” by perfectly legitimate Chinese/Russian deals in Africa, the offending African government in question can be efficiently removed and replaced – preferably by coup d’etat or assassination, or by revolution and civil war if necessary.

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    “It is just as foolish to complain that people are selfish and treacherous as it is to complain that the magnetic field does not increase unless the electric field has a curl. Both are laws of nature.”

    ― John von Neumann
     

    Genes are--when it suits them. Individuals are--when it suits them. Why on Earth would anyone expect nation states not to be selfish and treacherous, eh?
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  183. TT says:
    @denk
    sean seems to be threatening the SEA Chinese diaspora of an impending murkkan lead 1965 Indon massacre mark2.

    I was shocked at his audacity and requested a clarification. !

    Mahathir was right when he says that the UMNO, warts and all, is the most benign ruler for the Chinese minorities anywhere in SEA, other than Thailand.
    Just look at what happens to Chinese minorities in Indon and India. !

    Malaysian Chinese chaffed at the myriad discriminatory policies favoring the Bumiputras, in fact from the Malay perspective, such policies are imperative for their self preservation . I'd say its saner than the Sg policy of opening herself wide for Indian WMM invasion.

    The Malaysian Chinese support US patsies who peddle racial equality, thinking that it'd get them a fairer deal.
    Be careful what they wish for, they'll rue the day UMNO get toppled by the US sponsored oppositions !

    sean seems to be threatening the SEA Chinese diaspora of an impending murkkan lead 1965 Indon massacre mark2.

    I was shocked at his audacity and requested a clarification. !

    Sean make his message very plain, yes FUKUS might instigate that once complete its China containment, with the Indonesia anti-Chinese ground ripen to ignite. But he seemed more to share his critical insight than making a threat.

    This should serve all Chinese diaspora a big warning shot. Don’t take for granted and happily latch on Uncle Scam war machine to go against China like Spore, Indonesia & Vietnam(Malaysia, Philippine, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Brunei are resisting), the big storm is behind the calm.

    SEA elites and businessmen are mainly Chinese ethnics, they ought to prepare for such bloody outcome. They have great influence in their gov to either help China peaceful rise with SEAsia or sink together to face another 1965 massacre.

    You might notice many idiots Spore & Malaysia Chinese are fed with Fukus msm sewage to go against everything China publicly, thinking Fukus is their damn God Saviour. Wait till China containment happen, wahabhi Muslim extremists infested Indo & Malaysia will be the fireworks. If Linh family is Viet-Chinese, they will have to row a boat to US as refugee again.

    Just look at what happens to Chinese minorities in Indon and India. !

    When i was in India, minority Chinese ethnic life in city was like any SEA, mostly affluent wealthier biz group living with indians in harmony, no restriction like Indo under Suharto era. They have Chinese temples, tradition, cuisine, speak Mandarin language/dialects. Numb is too few to have influence. Indo Chinese i know is quite good now under Pres Jokowi, they love his Chinese Jakarta governor Ah Hock, but Hock got jailed 2yrs by Muslim extremists.

    I’d say its saner than the Sg policy of opening herself wide for Indian WMM invasion.

    I juz saw that Spore Indian popn was up from 2% to 9%, that’s over 300K import in 5yrs. There is even a Indian Muslim new migrant found joining ISIS. With all Indian Muslim Pres, Deputy PM, cabinet ministers, chief/appeal judges, Bank CEO, MAS Chief, Temasek GIC chief,…the last thing to change is a Indian PM to complete converting Singapore to Stink-a-pore..or Currypot….hehehehe

    Do vote wisely if they don’t want to become minority squeeze out by Malla’s kins. I might visit Spore nxt yr to check out Little Delhi? Hhhhhhh….

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  184. Sean says:
    @myself
    Jeez, they've actually stooped to outright murder. And for what? Because some railway execs and airlines managers were maybe TOO COMPETENT at their CIVILIAN JOBS?

    Damn, i am glad somebody (re: the linked article) is putting the pieces together.

    My scenarion for Africom is simple actually.

    It was put in place so that, should "Western" interests ever be legally and in above-board fashion, "compromised" by perfectly legitimate Chinese/Russian deals in Africa, the offending African government in question can be efficiently removed and replaced - preferably by coup d'etat or assassination, or by revolution and civil war if necessary.

    “It is just as foolish to complain that people are selfish and treacherous as it is to complain that the magnetic field does not increase unless the electric field has a curl. Both are laws of nature.”

    ― John von Neumann

    Genes are–when it suits them. Individuals are–when it suits them. Why on Earth would anyone expect nation states not to be selfish and treacherous, eh?

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  185. TT says:
    @denk
    Yes, Africom to fight AQ and co !

    Funny that even tho uncle aham has been fighting AQ[TM] since 2001, yet far from being wiped out, AQ keeps getting stronger and morphing into bigger force, ISIS .,
    Just like its aq brethens, this globe trotting outfit keep popping up wherever uncle sham needs an excuse to get its boot in,.... Iraq, Afpak, Libya, Syria.

    When Ph prez Duterte wanted to boot out the GI , ISIS mayhem erupted in Malawi as if on cue and the murkkans invited themselves back in again. !

    It gets curiouser and curiouser.

    While the murkkans have been supposedly kicking AQ ass since 2001. it's the Chinese who got shot at by the terrorists....in Afpak, SEA, Stans, Africa !

    Exhibit Mali,

    When the terrorist outfit carried out a well planned op and cornered a group of tourists including a big fat juicy group of murkkans and their Indian soul mates,
    guess whom did the jihadists pick on..........The Russians/Chinese, enemies of the 'great satan' !

    'International media have now confirmed that at least nine of the 27 killed in the attack were Chinese and Russian. While this alone would indeed be curious, it is the identities and positions of those killed that is particularly striking. The three Chinese victims were important figures in China’s China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), while the Russians were employees of Russian airline Volga-Dnepr. That it was these individuals who were killed at the very outset of the attack suggests that they were the likely targets of what could perhaps rightly be called a terrorist assassination operation.'

    https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/27/terror-in-mali-an-attack-on-china-and-russia/

    Globalresearch has article about how US shoved Africom into Africans throat by sending terrorists as justification after got rejected. US special force is in nearly all African countries now unreported, to sabotage of course. These killings happen now in Afghanistan, Pak too. More will come.

    When Fukus lost biz in Iraq(Russia got OilGas infrast, France Total got oil), they bombed it. France Pres Chirac angrily slammed Bush’s hand off and lost his job. When FUSUKFr lost Libya biz to China, they destroyed it. Venz is now heavily targeted for Russia & China huge investment.

    CIA admitted, Osama BL was trained to lead jihad against Soviet in Afgh. Taliban, AQ, ISIS,… Russia Chechen, China Uyghur & Tibets, Sri Lanka LTTE,.. all terrorists are Fukus SOB. Who else will train & equip terrorists/rebels? Only fukus & its lackeys, India RAW, Pak, Israel, Turkey, Nato, Sweden,Oz(Timor)…

    Murkans fair trade rule: If monopoly lose advantage go WTO ->FTA ->TTP ->tariffs ->sanction ->embargo -> terrorists ->war…. If can’t compete, juz kill them.

    Only one language Fukus understand, tics for tacs.

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  186. denk says:

    Murkans fair trade rule: If monopoly lose advantage go WTO ->FTA ->TTP ->tariffs ->sanction ->embargo -> terrorists ->war…. If can’t compete, juz kill them.

    As per the economic hitman,
    If all else fail, send in the jackals. !

    Just last week another Chinese got bumped off in Pak by You Know Who.

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  187. denk says:
    @22pp22
    There is nothing dignified about starving to death.

    Some people would rather die with dignity,

    People who do blood for oil for a living wouldnt understand.

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  188. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PandaAtWar
    What is wrong with UNZ.com?

    What Panda can not stand in the last several years of this forum has been that:

    since it is, or at least was, a self-claimed "open" forum, who the heck you think you are of some self-righterous people labelling different views given by others as "troll"?

    What are these new "function" like "agree", "disagree", "troll"...?

    Is UNZ.com becoming a new breed of WMM? How ironic!

    "agree" what? "disagree" what? "troll" what?

    Who are the real troll here?

    Statistically speaking, you should instead feel proud to be "trolled" by larger brained people if you have any friggin intellectual curiosity after all, since at least you might learn something new from the extra 50 cm3 neurons that you're clearly not born with.

    [email protected]~

    Who are the real troll here?

    22pp22 says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:03 pm GMT

    Trolling Chinese is so easy. Take a chill pill

    .

    Self proclaimed anglo troll, deserved some good beatings isn’t it?

    Exchange ideas is good, not racist biase nonsense blaming Chinese for Mao’s starving and every shit problems of Anglos, with twisted history.

    Chinese had resided in many places well before Anglos arrived. If they don’t like Chinese, move on don’t whine. But you can hardly find a place without Chinese present, even in Siberia or arctic consider its largest ethnic people.

    At present, total overseas Chinese is only 50M, 3.5% of China population. This is insignificant compare to most migrant countries, especially their present in Western countries is very small. And majority were diaspora of labourer migrants exploited during British colonial time, wars driven, rich economic migrants and intellectuals been purposely targeted by western countries.

    Chinese is not refugees or poor uneducated migrants, but usually of weathy, educated and hardworking, that’s why they could do well and contribute much to their host countries with the lowest crimes compare to even majority white Europeans. They certainly don’t deserve to be treated with such discrimination.

    Hopefully Xi could further open up dual citizenship for all overseas chinese in near future. Then we can see reversed flow, and let the Anglos whine again for their properties crash and losing economy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese

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  189. TT says:
    @TT

    Ditto that ‘lucky country’, Oz, it depends on the Chinese market yet it has been ramping up the ‘yellow peril’ B.S. to hysterical pitch.
    Thats the trouble with being a murkkan poodle, ‘ally’, when uncle sham barks ‘jump’, the Aussies could only woof ‘how high my lord’. !
     
    Lol. NZ will be next. One Swedish told me they don't bother election, as all candidates are dictate by US.

    US might be controlling every countries leaders thru its 5eyes holding them ransom with threats & secret exposure. As you had mentioned before, these leaders aren't stupid to chain their own country to the war machine of Uncle Scam to fight against their bread basket.

    Oz had history of PM got remove by US CIA after going against US atrocity Vietnam war. Recently many Oz politicians got squeezed out with double citizenship nonsense, deputy PM too, may be for not obey Sinophobe playbook.

    Spore PM LHL was strongly against Philippine Aquino & Vietnam PM clowns to drag Asean into their SCS disputes. He even proclaimed Russia is an indispensable leader for all global issues. But immediately after Oboma Hussein summon him to WH, he vehemently lies on SCS against China and became ultra anti-China since.

    Oboma muz had whispered into pinky ear some obscene secret to frighten him like SKorea exPres Park. May be he got stripped search to take nude pics...? I think Msia, Cambodia, Thai, Myanmar, Laos, Nepal, Sri Lanka are resisting US anti-China playbook now, will see more circus shows.

    Perhaps only after China can prove it is capable to protect its allies from US aggression, such sinophobe Horriblewood plays will keep repeating. Russian has started to do it in Syria war after failing to protect its allies Yugoslavia, Iraq & Libya previously.

    When Philippine Pres Dutert rebel against US, ISIS was sent in to take down one of its city. Who can believe, a rag tag terrorists could overnight moved in enmass with heavy weapons to win a country regular army, courtesy of Uncle Scam special force & fantastic logistic powess. China help to kick out FUKUS terrorists by sending in its special force & snipers. So Uncle Scam change tactics, its Human Rights now.

    Popular Brazil ex-Pres was brought down by staged corruption trial. Msia Najib is under tremendous Facebook smearing, organized color revolution and M1D scandal since he closed up with China. Pakistan PM was down by legal system. Mongolia politician contest on anti-China ground was elected when 80% of its trade is with China. All China neighbors leaders are under attacked, except Abe got continuous landslide win.

    Now Mauritius Pres is under FUKUSIsInd besieged after signing FTA with China(a Supreme court judge can rule as his like over elected gov), with FukusIsIn broadcasting fake news Mauritius people begging India to send in troops to help. Everyone know all South Asians hate Indian evil claws stretching all over SAsia. China juz issued warning to India not to send in troops interfer else China will take action.

    But why so much hostility from whiteys, they have no god damned business hating Chinese …..
    They’r the ones dissing it out ever since the Opium war ???
     
    Bcos China refuse to turn over let Fukusisin gang rape 'em. They still have fond memory of the tasty loots from Opium wars. Same story for Russia, what a delightful free looting sprees after Soviet collapse.

    SHANGHAI: Eleven Chinese warships sailed into the East Indian Ocean this month, a Chinese news portal said, amid a constitutional crisis in the tiny tropical island chain of the Maldives now under a state of emergency. A fleet of destroyers and at least one frigate, a 30,000-tone amphibious transport dock and three support tankers entered the Indian Ocean,
    news portal Sina.com.cn said, without linking the deployment to the crisis in the Maldives or giving a reason.

    China backing up its words with action. More countries will take this as sign to do biz with China without worry of FukusInd aggression.

    Maldives majority popn is Indian migrants Muslim. They muz be very afraid of India PM Moldi that had massacre thousands of their kins that US turn a blind eye.

    Russia & China are now more willing to defend ally since Syria Libya war. Venezuela & Iran with many of their investments will be something to watch when US try invading.

    AbuSy Rebel chief juz declared: More ISIS is on the way to Philippines to take next city…but swimming from ME? They will need massive F16 escort transport planes & Navy fleet to move thousands of terrorists with heavy armoured weapons, without detected by Philippines’ Air Force & Navy. Guess which charity is doing?

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  190. denk says:
    @TT

    This is what Najib said,
    ‘Somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet us’ [Malaysia/China]

    If you’r a ‘conspiracy theorist’ buff like me, you’d find this interesting.

    http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html

    I actually think its the best explanation of the MH370 saga , cuz it connects with my own hunch.
     
    Good article, same as what i thot and some China reports.

    Even Msia ex-PM Mahatir had immediately remarked US had patented the remote controlling for Boeing plane 10yrs prior MH370 mishap. These people sure have accessed to info we commoners don't.

    One China article said there was a SVIP Chinese in that plane with some important cargo of great value to US, to engage such high profile hijacking. That's why China was initially very angry with Msia when MH kept mum about all details.

    Terrorists so far don't attack US forces & its sprawling interests globally, even in Syria, ME, Afghanistan & elsewhere. ISIS are slaughtering Muslims in name of Allah and coexist with US. When Trumps moved US embassy to Jerusalem and defined it as Israel capital, ISIS instead of attack Israel & US targets, they declared war with Muslim Hama for failing to protect Jerusalem. They targeted Russian & Iranian forces that protect Muslims. US rivals get terrorists threat, but Israel soulmate US is safe.

    All these tell us alot...who terrorists work for. They sent terrorists to wherever to justify US present or built bases(quoted Globalresearch)

    following the Xi-Najib-Mahathir love fest in KL, 2013,
    when Malaysia/China celebrated a massive upgrade of bilateral relation.,

    Malaysia lost 3 airliners, one copter, plus another near miss in less than six months,

    mh370 ‘missing’,
    mh17 shot down,
    mh148 engine on fire, near miss.
    airasia QZ8501 exploded in midair,
    Copter with najib’s chief of staff onboard exploded in midair,
    [i might have forgotten some others]

    according to Ian Flaming’s fundamental law of probability,

    Once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice…….enemy action !

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    according to Ian Flaming’s fundamental law of probability,

    Once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice…….enemy action !
     
    Now its Russia & Iran turn... dropping planes.

    USN commander got medal for shooting down Iran civilians plane purposely without any condemn, Iran return US courtesy. CIA asked Gaddafi to pay as scapegoat. US life is expensive, they stop the exchange program.

    MH17 report was classified by Netherland not to release. They blamed Russia for wasting a SAM missile to shoot down friendly civilians plane, with its complex radar system good to detect F22 but unable to differentiate civilians(huge size) vs Ukraine spy plane(tiny), and not read that busy flight path MH had...20 min before MH, swiss? airline juz flew thru same spot no one care.

    Best outcome for the world is a economic catastrophe for US to bring back all its massive military/CIA assets voluntarily. Like attacking ants, better let them go by itself without getting messy.
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  191. TT says:
    @denk
    following the Xi-Najib-Mahathir love fest in KL, 2013,
    when Malaysia/China celebrated a massive upgrade of bilateral relation.,

    Malaysia lost 3 airliners, one copter, plus another near miss in less than six months,

    mh370 'missing',
    mh17 shot down,
    mh148 engine on fire, near miss.
    airasia QZ8501 exploded in midair,
    Copter with najib's chief of staff onboard exploded in midair,
    [i might have forgotten some others]

    according to Ian Flaming's fundamental law of probability,

    Once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice.......enemy action !

    according to Ian Flaming’s fundamental law of probability,

    Once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice…….enemy action !

    Now its Russia & Iran turn… dropping planes.

    USN commander got medal for shooting down Iran civilians plane purposely without any condemn, Iran return US courtesy. CIA asked Gaddafi to pay as scapegoat. US life is expensive, they stop the exchange program.

    MH17 report was classified by Netherland not to release. They blamed Russia for wasting a SAM missile to shoot down friendly civilians plane, with its complex radar system good to detect F22 but unable to differentiate civilians(huge size) vs Ukraine spy plane(tiny), and not read that busy flight path MH had…20 min before MH, swiss? airline juz flew thru same spot no one care.

    Best outcome for the world is a economic catastrophe for US to bring back all its massive military/CIA assets voluntarily. Like attacking ants, better let them go by itself without getting messy.

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  192. luba says:
    @Sean

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/David-Milne-13964/americas-rasputin/Although Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara are usually blamed for the military escalation in Vietnam, this convincing, well-documented study by Milne (American Foreign Policy/Univ. of Nottingham) emphasizes Walt Rostow’s key role in creating the self-justifying rationale that mired America in war for a decade. Having emerged from academia—first Yale, then Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, then MIT as a professor of economic history—Rostow formed his ideological posture while watching the rise of McCarthyism and the Korean War. His magnum opus was a full-throttle repudiation of Marx called The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto, in which he extolled the benefits of liberal capitalism predicated on mass consumption and opined that underdeveloped nations needed substantial American assistance to arrive at capitalist rewards. [...] Milne demonstrates skillfully that LBJ’s bombing policy came largely from Rostow, while his relentless positive spin kept the besieged president from knowing the full extent of the catastrophe until public opinion had turned against him.
     
    It was Rostow who pushed for military intervention and bombing.

    North Vietnamese leadership got closer to the Soviet union as the main force units of the South played a greater part in the war. The Tet offensive was a gambit by the pro China Viet Cong of South Vietnam, the command structure of which was ethnically Chinese in many cases, to get back in the driver's seat.

    As Amy Chau points out in her latest book, the South Vietnamese communists saw their war against "capitalists" as war against the ethnically Chinese elite in the south who were 1% of the population, but owned 80% of the economy. Yet the ethnic Chinese were also running the Viet Cong.

    As with the communist insurrection in Malaysia, the Viet Cong were ethnically Chinese to a great extent. In Malaysia the British simply expelled the ethnic Chinese population, much to the delight of the Malays. The Phoenix program might have been war-winning effective if it had went after anyone of Chinese ancestry irrespective of political views. Many of the VC's pervasive undercover agents in the government and security forces of the South would have been taken out too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZPAa817xY&t=4m14s
    A awful lot of innocent Chinese would have died, but once Vietnam had defeated the US, the ethnic Chinese were all killed or expelled from Vietnam anyway (the Boat People) Of course the US feared a Korean war style intervention by China if the US moved too aggressively against North Vietnam so targeting ethnic Chinese in South Vietnam is something they might not have dared try. China has inflicted two clear military defeats on America, now they are trying for economic victory, aided by US economists.

    Yet a man with supposed great knowledge and wolrd view such as glorifies and attributes the victories to the unique Vienamese sheer determination without any acknowledgement of many contributions from the ethnic Chinese and the military, finanacial and food aids China provided to Vietnam’s wars against France and US.

    Btw, @ Linh Dinh, let’s get some of the facts straight: 1). The design of Beijing’s Fobidden City was a copy of the Nanjing Forbidden City (Ming Palace).

    2)Key persons who were on historical records in supervising, designing, organiseing, coordinateing and building of Beijing’s Forbidden City were the followings:

    - Chen Gui (泰宁侯陈珪,Marquis of Taining): Chief-in-charge from 1406 -1419 (till his death).

    - Cai Xin (蔡信) : chief planner and designer, drew the blueprint of Forbidden City.

    - Lu Xiang (陆祥): in charge of designing, calculating and implmenting the stone works

    - Yang Qing (杨青) : responsible for mananging and carrying out the brick mason.

    - Kuai Xiang (蒯祥): designed and participated the building of Beijing Forbidden City in later stage, Tiananmen (天安门) and Ming Emperor Tombs (十三陵,裕陵). At Palace Mueseum, there is a painting about inpection of the Fobidden City with Kuai Xiang in it (in red robe): http://img1.gtimg.com/cul/pics/hv1/61/35/2082/135391036.jpg.

    The Kuai family and their fellowmen were from Xiangshan (香山) nearby Nanjing. The famous Xiangshan Group (香山帮) is wellknown for its architecture skills and stlyes, today there are still archteture/building firms from this area put “Xiangshan” as prefix before their firm’s names to show their pedigree.

    - Wang Shun (王顺) and Hu Liang (胡良):Master of painting, brushing and drawing on ceilings and columns.

    - Others with names left on historical records: Jin Heng (金珩): master carpenter, Chen Guo (陈果), etc.

    Yongle Emperor Zhu Di took Nanjing, ascended to the throne through ursurping and killed many who wouldn’t regard him as the legitimate ruler, Fang Xiaoru was one of the loyalists to the former emperor. He was killed when he refused to write the formal issue/announcement for Zhu Di’s ascending to the throne, not so dramtised as the way you put it.

    From 1406, many craftmen from Nanjing and the South went to Beijing to prepare and build the new Forbidden City. 1420 it was complete. Then some of the front part was rebuilt due to fire and was rebuilt/repaired partially duing the next few hundreds of year under both Ming and Qing Emperors.

    Ruan An (Nguyen An, 阮安) worked with Kuai Xiang (蒯祥) in rebuilding the front three Palace Halls which had been burnt. He was surely not one of the key original architects of Beijing’s Forbidden City as you and your compatriots claimed, but he was definitely the key player in building/re-fortifying gate towers and the moat around Beijing.

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    The key persons responsible for the designing and building of Beijing's Forbidden City were Cai Xin (蔡信) , Lu Xiang (陆祥), Kuai Xiang (蒯祥).

    The long reply of 193 is for @Linh Dinh

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  193. luba says:
    @luba
    Yet a man with supposed great knowledge and wolrd view such as @Linh Dinh glorifies and attributes the victories to the unique Vienamese sheer determination without any acknowledgement of many contributions from the ethnic Chinese and the military, finanacial and food aids China provided to Vietnam's wars against France and US.


    Btw, @ Linh Dinh, let's get some of the facts straight: 1). The design of Beijing's Fobidden City was a copy of the Nanjing Forbidden City (Ming Palace).

    2)Key persons who were on historical records in supervising, designing, organiseing, coordinateing and building of Beijing's Forbidden City were the followings:

    - Chen Gui (泰宁侯陈珪,Marquis of Taining): Chief-in-charge from 1406 -1419 (till his death).

    - Cai Xin (蔡信) : chief planner and designer, drew the blueprint of Forbidden City.

    - Lu Xiang (陆祥): in charge of designing, calculating and implmenting the stone works

    - Yang Qing (杨青) : responsible for mananging and carrying out the brick mason.

    - Kuai Xiang (蒯祥): designed and participated the building of Beijing Forbidden City in later stage, Tiananmen (天安门) and Ming Emperor Tombs (十三陵,裕陵). At Palace Mueseum, there is a painting about inpection of the Fobidden City with Kuai Xiang in it (in red robe): http://img1.gtimg.com/cul/pics/hv1/61/35/2082/135391036.jpg.

    The Kuai family and their fellowmen were from Xiangshan (香山) nearby Nanjing. The famous Xiangshan Group (香山帮) is wellknown for its architecture skills and stlyes, today there are still archteture/building firms from this area put "Xiangshan" as prefix before their firm's names to show their pedigree.

    - Wang Shun (王顺) and Hu Liang (胡良):Master of painting, brushing and drawing on ceilings and columns.