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At age 18, Theo volunteered for the Marines and was sent to Vietnam. Based near the demilitarized zone, he saw much fighting and lost most of his left arm in 1968. Post war, Theo learned karate, opened a dojo, married, fathered three children, got his college degree and became a high school teacher. The Philly native settled in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Yesterday, Theo was in sub-freezing Philly to see his two sons, other relatives and many old friends. Around noon, he dropped into Friendly Lounge to meet his cousin, Felix, and me. I thought we would just chatter over a few Yuenglings, but Theo insisted on lunch, his treat, at the rather fancy Anastasi, a seafood eatery down the street.

Soon after we were seated, Theo showed me a newspaper clipping on his smart phone, “This is what happened exactly 50 years ago.” The article’s title, “48 Marines Killed, 81 Wounded by Reds in Battle for Village.”

“Wow, man, and that’s just one battle. Nothing like this happened in Iraq.”

“In Fallujah, it did.”

“But it was never that high, not 48 Marines in one day.” Later, I checked to find out that the deadliest day for Americans in Iraq ended with 37 deaths, with 30 from a helicopter crash.

“Yeah, you’re right. In Vietnam, we fought in closer proximity. In Afghanistan and Iraq, they fought from a greater distance.”

At age 69, Theo appeared at least a decade younger, with no beer belly or bad posture, and his demeanor was calm, his words measured. At the table were also his two sons, Aaron and another whose name escapes me, for he was so silent and inconspicuous. Both were in their 30’s.

Scanning the unfamiliar menu, I saw that pan seared dry scallops were $27, pasta with clams, mussels, shrimp, lump crab in a marinara sauce was $22, but the shrimp platter with fries and slaw was only twelve bucks, so I chose that.

A year and a half ago, I interviewed Tony the cook, who worked at Anastasi. Six months later, Tony got fired for allegedly stealing while working Anastasi’s parking lot. The security camera kept catching Tony turning his back as he counted the Federal Reserve notes. To keep Tony from starving, many of us at Friendly then lent or gave money to the scrawny, hard drinking and lottery ticket addicted man. I chipped in $40, a sort of belated payment for his being so generous with his life’s details. Stories nourish. Neglecting to pay his gas bill, Tony’s apartment, whom he shared with his sister, was also freezing. The cranky, aging lady’s a bipolar, pot puffing and wine swilling waitress who’s probably fired by now. Skipping out on all his debts, Tony then went home to Bucks County, only to die, I just found out yesterday. Tony, “I’ve been with a lot of women. I love women. I’ve been with 138, and I’m working on 139. Any day now. I ain’t dead yet.” He was 56.

Depending on how smug or sheltered you are, Tony is either a freakish outlier or quite typical of our despairing working class. Underpaid, overworked and forced to compete with an endless supply of immigrants, legal and illegal, they’re increasingly blighted by every social pathology. Whenever they complain about anything, they’re jeered by our condescending media as being reactionary, racist or just plain losers who are more than deserving of their dismal lot. For 2017, drug overdose deaths in Philly are around 1,200, up from 900 of just last year. Nationwide, the 2016 drug body count was 65,000, more than all the American deaths from the Vietnam War. Is Fentanyl from China a payback, with interest, for the opium trade of the 18th and 19th centuries?

Theo went to Vietnam because he believed in fighting Communism. Aaron, however, believes his father was definitely on the wrong side of history. Capitalism is imploding, he’s convinced, because it is inherently unjust, and China is the future. Unlike Western countries, China doesn’t exploit lesser countries but helps to develop them, through respectful cooperation.

“We’ll see,” Theo said with a bemused smile.

“China is about China,” I added.

Aaron, “Unlike the US, with its many wars and bases all over, China has never invaded anybody.”

“Actually, China has invaded and absorbed quite a few nations,” I said. “There are many nationalities within China.”

“China hasn’t invaded anybody since 1949,” Aaron countered.

“Even Vietnam has invaded and absorbed other nations. Everybody does this. And Vietnam’s eternal fear is to be absorbed by China. If you go to Vietnam, you won’t hear Vietnamese talk badly about Japan, France or the United States, all of whom has caused a lot of suffering there, but China is different, because China is right there! My cousin is half Chinese, but you should hear this woman. She’s insanely anti-China!”

A successful Saigon businesswoman who’s fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese, with several trips to China, Lan has raged to me about Chinese invading Nha Trang and Da Nang, Chinese clothes with toxins or even leeches, and Chinese noodles and rice made of plastic. The Chinese are trying to kill the Vietnamese, Lan is convinced, and to show how barbaric they are, she told me about Chinese eating fetuses.

Aaron, “I think Vietnam should learn how to cooperate with China, and not lean on the US in any way.”

“Vietnam is working with China, and emulating it, but it also doesn’t trust China. That’s why it’s working militarily with the US, and buying American weapons.”

“I think that’s a big mistake.”

“He’s giving you the Vietnamese perspective, Aaron,” Theo interjected. “You don’t know how people in Vietnam think.”

ORDER IT NOW

Just by offering an alternative to Western styled capitalism, China is already giving hope to the rest of the world, the young man insisted. China is the future. Tall, clean shaven and square jawed, Aaron never smiled and was often irritated. Earnestly proselytizing, he spoke of “objective economic realities that cannot be debated.”

“So what do you think will happen to the United States?”

“It can’t go on like this. A revolution must happen.”

“How can this be put in motion?”

“The working class needs to be educated to overthrow capital.”

“But what’s the first step?”

“A conversation like this.”

“Then?”

Aaron was suddenly speechless. I prodded, “Do you envision this revolution happening in ten years?”

“No, that’s too soon.”

“Fifty?”

“Before then.”

“Do you see the US as staying in one piece?”

“I support self-determination for everyone, including the first nations. If the Navajos want to establish their own country, I’ll back that.”

“But how will you break up, say, Tucson, Arizona?” I half grinned, as did Theo.

Aaron, “If the people of the Southwest want to form their own country, join Mexico or stay within the US, I will support it, as long as it’s done democratically.”

Theo, “Hey, why don’t you eat your food! You’ve been talking so much, you haven’t even touched your sandwich!”

Way overpopulated, China has been exporting people and importing jobs for decades, while the US did the exact opposite. Chinese immigrants send money home and open new markets for Chinese goods, so it’s great, from China’s perspective, that Chinese are flooding into the Russian Far East, Europe, North America and Africa, although many have decamped from the last for greener pastures. No traffic is going in the other direction, mind you, for China has the lowest percentage of immigrants in the entire world.

It has been pointed out that China can accomplish much because it’s not bogged down by bipartisan politics, unlike the US, but the real reason is that the Chinese leadership still has a nation-first mentality. They’re protective of Chinese identity and values, and feel, in a Confucian sense, that they can only justify their hold on power by doing what’s best for the Chinese nation. They’re nationalists, in short. Moreover, China doesn’t send its sons to die for a foreign power and/or arms manufacturers, and the Chinese media don’t mock and corrupt ordinary Chinese.

In the US, nationalism is reduced to waving the flag and mindless support for the troops, wherever they’re sent, on whatever pretext. As for the college indoctrinated, nationalism is just a shameful concept. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.

Linh Dinh’s latest books are Postcards from the End of America (non-fiction) and A Mere Rica (poetry). He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Linh,

    So you ordered the cheapest combo so as to go easy on your old friend. I like that very, very much.

  2. You would have to work at it to write a more powerful endorsement of President Trump.

    He ran on a platform of respect for common working people. Little known is that he also ran in opposition to pointless foreign military adventures, and has so far lived up to his promises. The president is an ardent nationalist who puts the welfare of American citizens first, especially in issues of immigration and border security and jobs. Trump has spoken out repeatedly on the issue of the opioid epidemic.

    The electorate is fighting back furiously against UniParty rule and Trump is the champion of that fight. It’s not an easy fight, but I suspect that the electorate will continue to bring the fight to the UniParty.

    I voted for President Trump. I endorsed him publicly and often during the campaign. I thought he would be a good president. So far, he has exceeded my expectations.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @anon
  3. Biff says:

    In 2014, 4.6 million Chinese visitors travelled to Thailand. In 2015, Chinese tourists numbered 7.9 million or 27 percent of all international tourist arrivals, 29.8 million; 8.75 million Chinese tourists visited Thailand in 2016.

    Here in Thailand the Chinese effect is increasingly noticeable – you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting three or four of them.
    Their behavior is nothing to brag about, albeit, Thailand does have the same problems with other ethnic groups, but just the other day a Chinese tourist(young girl) was yanking on the tail of an elephant, at a camp near Pataya causing it to freak out, and it trampled his trainer, who died, and injured some other tourists – life(and death) in the tourist world I guess.

    Obviously, the Chinese(billions of people) are suddenly becoming financially mobile on a global scale. I’m expecting more of the same.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  4. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.

    The elites see it as mass-eugenics. They are doing better than ever. Big cities have grown super-rich with globalism. So, who cares if the ‘trash’ are drugged and dying? They are no longer useful. Let them watch garbage, get ugly tattoos, self-indulge, and die young.

    S0, the elites feel.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Blissex
  5. Two biggies for sure.:

    Moreover, China doesn’t send its sons to die for a foreign power and/or arms manufacturers, and the Chinese media don’t mock and corrupt ordinary Chinese.

    Must be two terribly difficult concepts for world-saving ‘Merkins to grasp.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Da Wei
  6. Arthur says:

    I very much enjoy the OpEds of Mr. Dinh. Unlike the talking heads in the media, or the college professors in institutions of higher learning, or politicians, etc., Mr. Dinh has experienced the rich “diversity” deep within the bowels of America. What he has witnessed and written about reflects a America very different from what we’re sold through the New York-Washington D.C.- Hollywood axis of evil.
    America thinks itself first world. It isn’t and declining at an faster rate. I lived in the same county for 35 years and watched the slim grow. Keep the articles coming Mr. Dinh, for a misanthrope such as me, it’s music in words.

  7. Frankie P says:

    Aaron has ideological ideal syndrome (IIS). He’s right about some things, though. China is providing an attractive alternative to western capitalism, which has fallen so far down the crony capitalism, oligarchs control the government well that it is drowning in a dying condition in which elected government officials feel NO responsibility to represent the constituents that elect them, choosing rather to legislate and act for the interests of their donors. He’s also correct that it has to end, but it’s disappointing that he uses such boilerplate Comintern language to describe it: “The working class needs to be educated to overthrow capital.” Sorry to break it to you, Aaron, but that ain’t going down! It ain’t happening! His bits about the First Nations and the US Southwest deciding to form their own country or join Mexico are completely unhinged! Democracy! He keeps hammering on Democracy, with a capital D. Modern democracy has morphed into a joke! A comment I saw here at Unz laid it out so beautifully that I copied it; unfortunately, I didn’t write down the commenters name, so I can’t give him a shout out or hat tip. If it was you, fess up and take the credit. Here is what he said about US Democracy, where we can choose from the Democrats (the Left) or the Republicans (the Right).

    “The Left abandoned the one good function they had performed, representing worker interests. The Right abandoned the one good function they had performed, resisting government expansion. Both sides ran headlong into every war they could find, many of which served the interests of a foreign nation. Voters turned out to be too stupid to stop all this.”

    There’s Democracy for you, Aaron! Too f***ing stupid to stop the swamp creatures from gutting your country! The Chinese are observing where Democracy takes nations, and they are rightfully deciding that they would rather go to war than pursue such a foolish path. Back to where he is right: The Chinese alternative. The Chinese do NOT have a communist system anymore, but they certainly have centrally controlled economic, political and social systems. This may prove to be the correct path for their people, who derive from a different civilization and culture from the west. They have an umbrella, presently designated “The Communist Party”. You are free to pursue wealth and happiness under that umbrella, but you must not stray from the area covered by the umbrella. If you do, you will be punished, possibly destroyed. Joining Fa Lun Gong or participating in non-Communist Party controlled independent churches is straying from the umbrella. Joining or starting labor unions that are not controlled by the Communist Party is straying. There is no doubt that this is not a free system, but there is great potential for success, happiness and FREEDOM in it. I know that sounds like a contradiction, but it is not.

    Linh Dinh has cottoned on to a VITAL point, and this is a point that I would highlight and elaborate on.

    “It has been pointed out that China can accomplish much because it’s not bogged down by bipartisan politics, unlike the US, but the real reason is that the Chinese leadership still has a nation-first mentality. They’re protective of Chinese identity and values, and feel, in a Confucian sense, that they can only justify their hold on power by doing what’s best for the Chinese nation. They’re nationalists, in short.”

    The Chinese leadership is like EVERY leadership of EVERY government throughout the long, ugly, beautiful history of mankind. They are corrupt; they abuse power; they enrich themselves and their families. We must get past this, and deem it a given! Now we come to the REAL question. The YUGE question. Besides the given, do they act for the benefit of their citizens and their nation? Linh has said that they justify their hold on power by doing what’s best for the Chinese nation, the Chinese citizens, the 100 surnames. That is accurate. The US leadership, on the other hand, does NOT do what’s best for the US nation, the US citizen.

    THAT is why they must be overthrown, Aaron. They MUST be replaced with leaders who act in the interests of the US nation, the US citizens.

  8. I’ve come to enjoy your vignettes, Linh Dinh, though I had found some generalizations irritating in the past. Your perspective on the US is that much more interesting to me because I rarely get back to the land of my birth. And also because of fond memories of children, probably a couple of years older than you were back in 1967, chasing alongside trucks full of us infantry grunts in hope of having some goodies thrown their way. I wondered then how those children really saw us. The clash of civilizations that engulfed us had altered both of our lives and our native lands in ways I never imagined at the time. And I’ve wondered since how, as adults, they tend to see us now. You provide a glimpse into the perspective of at least one whose life had been so dramatically altered.

    In a media landscape heavily dominated by a mixture of the insufferably self-righteous and of Don Quixotes perceiving ever new minority group grievances to rectify, I appreciate the sympathetic eye you are willing to cast on a shrinking American ethnic majority, a cohort for whom Vietnam was only the first stage of its losses.

  9. fnn says:

    Are there any videos available of one-armed karate experts? Seriously, I’d like to see them.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  10. Brabantian says: • Website

    In line with what Linh Dinh writes above – China, as it turns out, amongst other aggressions, is playing the exact same ‘Economic Hit Man’, usurious debt exploitation scams, that Western countries have been doing, and used to do to China itself. Today, China in Africa, South America or nearby in Asia, links with corrupt elites betraying their own people, puts nations into debt bondage, and then grabs their natural resources for ‘debt payment’, the poor natives getting zero, with locals starved of foreign currency and ability to pay for needed imports. From a recent article in Asia Times on these exploitive practices of China:

    In its relationships with smaller countries like Sri Lanka, China is replicating the practices used against it in the European-colonial period, which began with the 1839-1860 Opium Wars and ended with the 1949 communist takeover – a period that China bitterly refers to as its ‘century of humiliation.’

    China portrayed the 1997 restoration of its sovereignty over Hong Kong, following more than a century of British administration, as righting a historic injustice. Yet, as Hambantota shows, China is now establishing its own Hong Kong-style neocolonial arrangements. Apparently Xi’s promise of the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation” is inextricable from the erosion of smaller states’ sovereignty.

    As Linh Dinh suggests, China’s neighbours know the truth about it, that it is another ‘empire’ with aggressiveness matching its increased status. There are some aspects of Chinese cultural heritage which are appealing and universal – Some of Daoism, Chinese medicine, martial arts, Confucius … but overall there is no desire by other peoples to ‘be Chinese’, and tho people find it useful to be in alliances with China against other geo-political actors, those actually working with China, do not retain the naive image of China as an enduringly kind unselfish benefactor.

    There is some evidence as well, that the Russian-Chinese etc axis, is really tied to the same globalist elites who dominate the USA, the West & Nato … and that what is happening in the world is a ‘changing of the guard’, as the elites switch from the very-messed-up USA being their prime vehicle, to a new allegedly ‘multi-polar’ New World Order, with the blessings of such as Pope Francis, the United Nations and the global media stooges, asking us all to sing kumbaya for the new ‘system’ they have designed for us.

    E.g., China, Russia, the USA & Israel are all closely linked thru one man, the 20th-wealthiest person in the world. Netanyahu’s sponsor Sheldon Adelson, not only dominates Israeli media – he makes the greatest part of his billions in Macao China in partnership with Beijing – he hobnobs with Putin’s Chabad & Jewish billionaire friends in Moscow – and Adelson controls much of the dominant Republican party in the USA … a factoid which anyone should consider before making too much out of alleged ‘East-West rivalry’. As Antony Sutton pointed out half a century ago, documenting how the USA was supplying tech to the Soviets through the entire (fake) Cold War – with Israel a key transfer agent – big power ‘rivalry’ is mostly a show, a scam of ‘The Best Enemy Money Can Buy’.

    One thing tho that is likely to happen shortly in China, is that, just like the USA in 1929 before its final ascent to global hegemony, China will be hit hard by the crash of its 40 trillion in dodgy unpayable internal debt – along with the USA and most of the world, which collectively has a debt bomb of over 200 trillion, essentially impossible to pay and due to explode eventually. That will limit China’s dominance in the medium term, the next 15 years or so. ‘One Belt One Road’ may well crash and burn before a resurrection circa 2035.

    Linh Dinh has hit upon some very important themes here, both in terms of geo-politics and in terms of flaws in the thinking of Western dissidents. Western dissidents are too eager to believe in fake ‘heroes’ and ‘saviours’, either in foreign governments like China or Russia which they imagine are the great ‘champions’ of a better, more just world, or also CIA-supplied fake ‘dissidents’ and fake ‘brave investigative media’ such as the CIA’s ‘Edward Snowden’ – Glenn Greenwald hoaxers. People are eager to latch on to faith in some media-offered ‘champion’, which salves their own regret for being too helpless and intimidated against their home-grown oppressors.

    China, Russia and as as Unz’s Andrei ‘The Saker’ Raevsky absurdly claims, Iran, are hardly a group forming a great progressive force in the world, even tho a fair amount of the Western Nato propaganda against them is rubbish … What we have is one grand bully (the USA – Nato) hurling insults at lesser bullies. Tho the relatively weak and economically small Russia, given its vulnerable circumstances and lack of tools to oppress outside Russia, has indeed currently become one of the more humane international actors, despite it bearing the brunt of Western propaganda vitriol.

    • Agree: utu
  11. Escher says:

    Saigon is a mess, but clearly on the upswing. I used to feel positive vibe in the air whenever I visited.
    The women however seemed to be desperate to find a rich foreigner (almost always white) as an exit visa. I saw several young and pretty girls with much older men. One day I imagine whites will be replaced by Chinese men as the yuan becomes more powerful, and women in China continue to be in short supply.

  12. Jason Liu says:

    Aaron is young and stupid. China is one of the most capitalist countries on Earth. Don’t mistake state capitalism for communism.

  13. n230099 says:

    “Theo went to Vietnam because he believed in fighting Communism.”

    Yeah, I doubt that. At 18, in the late 60s, we didn’t know what “communism” was, let alone believing there was anything we could do about it…who writes this stuff?

  14. bluedog says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    What are you nuts or simply one of those fly overs, Trump is no different than the rest of his class and has a very long record of screwing the working class and small business’s (just check the lawsuits that been filed against him) that did work for him.Lets see going on his first year in office more troops for Afghanistan ,more troops for Africa and Syria,more weapons for the Ukraine, more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations and another $1.7-$2 trillion added to the debt,the working class got shit and rubbed into it,you my friend need to raise the bar about three feet higher on your expectations that way you won’t be dis-appointed…

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  15. neutral says:

    Like so many do, the mistake made here is to see the problem in different political/economic systems when the issue that really matters is the racial demographics of the country. The best thing can do for Vietnam not to embrace USA or China, USA because its racial equality myths will be the end of Vietnamese ethnic identity, and China because it is right next door and the threat of a mass movement of Chinese people into Vietnam is always there (despite the dropping fertility rates in China).

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @jack ryan
  16. JackOH says:
    @jacques sheete

    Yep, js. I’d like to see a statistic showing how many Americans’ first encounter with foreigners on foreign soil was as a soldier, as a combatant, post-war occupier, or first-among-equals ally. My pet theory, of course, is that if that’s your first encounter with foreigners, then you’re much more likely to overrate American military and diplomatic power, undervalue the people you come in contact with, and have your thinking biased in other important ways.

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    That’s normal. Mainland Chinese really have no idea how to behave. I remember adverts on the Shanghai subway with cute cartoon animals to teach people good habits, like not talking at the top of their voice on mobile phones.

    • Replies: @Escher
  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    Your posts are interesting as always. Sometimes I think you should be writing articles for this site!

    There is some evidence as well, that the Russian-Chinese etc axis, is really tied to the same globalist elites who dominate the USA, the West & Nato

    This rings true but I’d like to see more evidence. Have you got any links?

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When did college get so demonized? Good students graduate with the understanding that they really don’t know much at all.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  20. Che Guava says:
    @neutral

    Although the Wikipedia, for, example, is lyiing about it, the Vietnamese language is clearly a dialect of Chinese. Not related to Cambodian, Laotian, Thai, etc., as Wikipedian idiots are falsely claiming.

    Sure, the roots of independence of the Viets from the middle kingdnom, and movements for it are going back many centuries, not helped by the Mongol invasion, or other shifts in polity of China.

    Korean is not a dialect of Chinese (much vocabulary from there at different times, but retaining a very diferent grammar).

    However, the similarity of Viet and Korean tales of death before dishonour, for women, in particular, but also officials and soldiers, is striking, I am not to thinking there was much flow of letters (meaning literature) between the two, only a similar experience of their giant neighbour, and similar internal divisions (most of the tales do not directly concern Chinese protagonists, but internal divisions, in both places).

  21. Johann says:

    I always find Linh’s comments very interesting and informative; he is a thousand times better than the empty vacuous talking heads in the American media whether print or electronic. He has actually experienced the real world unlike our media darlings who go from their gated communities to their gated Ivy Colleges and think that they are all wise and all knowing in their fake make up and dyed hair. Actually the reason I really like Linh is that he drinks Yuengling, the best beer made in USA.

  22. jack ryan says: • Website

    I greatly admire the calm, honest views of Linh Dinh – he reminds me of the ethnic Indian writer VS Naipaul (sp?) who was raised in the Black West Indies.

    I always invest in Asian countries that are just coming out of Communism. This must be a great time to be Viet Namese – how do the locals look at the classic movie “The King and I”.

    I love it – wish I lived in that time when East was Meeting West and we didn’t have idiot college students mouthing off about nonsense.

  23. jack ryan says: • Website
    @neutral

    The US Auto industry and new construction are doing well – these are American “workers”.

  24. Please read THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN to see why the warmongers who rule the gov have us at continual war, and also Orwells 1984, and for an overall view of why we are in the situation that we are , please read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

  25. @Priss Factor

    The big-city Elites justify feeling that way (their schadenfreude) by smugly noting that the white proles, by not joining in the celebration of their displacement by new pet magic Negroes, hard working lawn boy Hispanics and exotic MENA immingrates, have themselves and only themselves to blame.

    Since white proles had, in the past, been responsible for keeping these groups down and since the restoration of equal representation for these groups is the pet project of the Elites, then the misfortunes befalling the white proles can only be the workings of an unimpeachable, impartial, universal reign of Justice.

    How satisfying!

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    Actually the worst tourists in the world in order are Isrealis, Brits, Indians, and Australians.

    The Chinese are somewhere in the middle of the pack near Arabs as tourists I don’t like to see, but also don’t automatically cringe when I see them.

    Americans aren’t too bad, Canadians are the best.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    Not even close to being true.

    China is looking out for itself in trade deals, no doubt. But they are not making deals that interfere in other countries. A lot of times these countries are getting infrastructure built, what does the West build besides more bases?

    I don’t think a country should worry much about the other when making trade deals anyway. It is the trade partners job to make sure they benefit from the deal otherwise dont do it.

    What I object to is the Western way of doing trade which is to subvert nations by interfering in their society and overthrowing countries that don’t play ball.

  28. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    [“Vietnam is working with China, and emulating it, but it also doesn’t trust China. That’s why it’s working militarily with the US, and buying American weapons.”]

    Vietnam is right NOT to trust China. I get disappointed when the so called ‘western progressive’ trying topaint China as victim of imperialism. China only advances its own interest and is in BED with Zionism and imperialism.
    Why China and Russia should allow the Obama regime destroy Libya and massacre Qaddafi’s family. They did not veto the UN resolution and that is going to remain with us until China against evil empire does not play it ALWAYS ‘SAFE’. The world is fed up with these cowards. I never buy anything made in China as much as I can, but I will buy things made in Vietnam to express my anger with China and his services to zionism and imperialism.

    https://www.kerrybolton.com/the-alliance-between-china-and-zionism/

    [Long History of Sino-Jewish Relations

    The Arutz Sheva claim that Sino-Zionist relations are something new is not accurate. There is a long history between Maoist China and Israel, both states emerging at about the same time, and with the same revolutionary Marxist zeal.[3][3] Israel’s Ambassador to China, Amos Nadai, was more accurate when he referred, as quoted above by the People’s Daily, to the “traditional friendship between Chinese and Jewish nations.”]

    http://katehon.com/article/chinas-globalist-agenda

    https://www.kerrybolton.com/are-the-globalists-becoming-sinophobic/

    • Replies: @denk
  29. Yee says:

    Brabantian,

    China’s accumulative overseas investment is:
    10% of that of the USA,
    29% of Britain,
    34% of Germany,
    35% of France,
    50% of Japan

    Actually, China is #13 on overseas investment. How come those 12 countries with more overseas assets don’t get your criticism?

    Anyway, China is investing more in wealth countries than “colonizing” the poor ones. Here’s the top 10 destinations of Chinese overseas investment in 2017.
    Singapore,
    USA,
    HongKong,
    Malaysia,
    Australia,
    Swissland,
    Korea,
    Canada,
    Chile

  30. the chinese tourists are much better class than your sexpat british loser ass who could not hack it in your country so you to thailand to pay for whores and infect the thais with your bad immune system that is the R1b gene,also your name fits dum dum.

  31. Linh Dinh, you have to go back. Boat or plane your choice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @IreneAthena
  32. ger says:
    @n230099

    Theo was lead to believe Communism was a physical threat to ‘The American Way Of Life’. Little did he know it was all about capitalist ideology. Trillions of dollars have been spent and perhaps millions killed to prevent any alternative to ‘capitalism’. The ‘cold war’ was not about containing Russia, it was about forcing Russia to spend it resources and capital on war machines instead of true socialist programs that would have exposed capitalism as second rate. It seems to have worked very well, as one can now count the capitalist that control the world on five to eight fingers. Only an outright idiot would consider going to war to make them richer!

  33. In the US, nationalism is reduced to waving the flag and mindless support for the troops, wherever they’re sent, on whatever pretext. As for the college indoctrinated, nationalism is just a shameful concept. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.

    nationalism can’t happen. if it does, no more immigration. no more immigration = no more bigger economy due to a bigger population. that is a big no no for all the elites and corps.

    on china’s immigration policy. it already has 1.415 billion people. if usa has that many people do you think there will still be immigration? imagine what you earn for a living and divide that by 4. that is 25% of the current living standard. a violent revolution will happen if living standards drop that low.

    about chinese absorbing other nations, it’s borders hasn’t expanded for the last 150 years :) it has shrunk actually. scs doesn’t count :) it is just securing sea lanes for it’s trade.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  34. @Dan Hayes

    If someone invites you to a fancy restaurant, they’re looking to show off. Why not indulge them?

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
  35. Blissex says:
    @Brabantian

    «As Linh Dinh suggests, China’s neighbours know the truth about it, that it is another ‘empire’ with aggressiveness matching its increased status.»

    Oh no there is a really big difference: while the economic colonialism of the “atlantic” nations was both government planned, sponsored, supported, enforced, that of chinese interests is entirely private, very aggressive, but private. It is just a continuation of the very ancient tradition of chinese traders going abroad.
    The chinese government has, as it has always had, a big problem simply holding on to its enormous, very diverse, fractious, homeland. In its history has been more conquered than conquering.
    On the complicated but long history of chinese overseas traders and bankers (very rarely industrialists) there is a fascinating and entertaining book, “Lords of the rim”, by S Seagrave.
    In general they lead, sometimes the government somewhat reluctantly follows.

    • Replies: @Alden
  36. JohnT says:
    @Frankie P

    Well Frankie,

    I’d say a Marxist revolution in the good old USA is far more likely than us ousting the entrenched money players that are currently running the show.

    They’ve got it all. The Media, the money, the military.

    We’ve got the TV which is used to divide our sorry asses on religious, nationalistic, and regional differences.

    I’d be gone if I could.

    But I suppose being old and near death will have to do.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Da Wei
    , @Malla
  37. Blissex says:
    @Priss Factor

    «The elites see it as mass-eugenics. They are doing better than ever.»

    It is like in England: the elites see themselves, the master classes, as the “real” Usians (or English), and the poor servant classes as just cannon or factory fodder: livestock if they produce, vermin if they are on welfare. The elites in the USA (or England) are nationalist, but they think that the majority of the population in *their* country are not part of *their* nation, they are just there to be used. Not a new attitude at all.

  38. DB Cooper says:

    “Actually, China has invaded and absorbed quite a few nations,” I said. “There are many nationalities within China.”

    It is true that there are many nationalities within China, fifty nine officially recognized nationalities to be exact, but that doesn’t mean they were invaded. One of the differences between Europe and China is that after the fall of the Roman empire Europe has never been unified again (whether EU will last for another few decades remains to be seen) whereas China has gone the other route. Different nationalities has been organically absorbed into the amorphous group called the Han throughout thousands years of nation building not by invasion but by the appeal of the Han culture and the weak sense of Han ethno-nationalism. This is very different than Europe. Jewish people would never have remained in China because they would have long been absorbed into the main population whereas Jewish people remain distinct in Europe even though they live in close proximity among the gentiles for thousands of years. Chinese people are fascinated by this. This is why the population of Han is over a billion today. European nations were never been able to coalesce but ancient nations in what is today’s China were able to. In modern political jargon America didn’t invent this melting pot thing, China did, not by intention of course. In fact the melting pot in China was so sucessful that a new composite people emerge out of this pot called the Han but the remants of this coalescing can still be seen today if you are observant. Even today Han people from different areas of China still speak their own veneculars many of them are mutually unintelligible to each other.

    Linh Dinh should be grateful that Vietnam’s big neighbor is not India but China. India has invaded and grabbed land from every single of its neighbors since its creation in 1947 as the successor state to the British Raj but you will never read about this in the MSN. The media is totally uninterested in India’s expansionism for many reasons that I don’t have time to expound it here.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    , @Escher
  39. Frankie P says:
    @DB Cooper

    The concept of the “Han” people is rather recent in the big picture of Chinese history. There are no references to a Han people that encompass all the different Chinese groups from 1,000 or even 500 or even 300 years ago. Walk into a Chinese city in the south, spend a week there observing the people, and then fly to a city in the north and do the same. It’s abundantly clear that the people in those two cities are NOT the same ethnicity. The concept of the “Han” was a nationalistic strategy to join and keep all the Chinese united. It’s interesting how you frame the growth of the Han as not by invasion but by the appeal of the Chinese culture (it is a mistake to call it Han Culture)… Actually, it was the Chinese who were invaded and conquered, followed by the conquerers falling prey to the Chinese culture and civilization that you mention. The Chinese are truly a civilizational people, living in the longest continual civilization known to man. Even Mao’s radical ideas pertaining to destroying traditional Chinese culture and replacing it with a new Socialist China were but petty dreams, and if Chinese civilization were anthropomorphized it would have been seen belly laughing at Mao, who mistakenly thought that he could remove the deep rooted cultural and civilizational traits ingrained in the Chinese people over the period of thousands of years.

    A large part of the Chinese civilization and culture is the idea of China as the “Middle Kingdom”, the most important country, the inside, with all other countries (barbarian) being on the “outside” looking in. The trade and movement of Chinese people has existed for a long, long, long time. I laughed when I read Linh Dinh, who wrote, “China has been exporting people…..for decades”. I wonder if he realizes how long there have been Chinese trading settlements throughout Southeast Asia, including his native Vietnam. I wonder if he realizes that the Chinese had mercantile trading villages throughout Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and even in Singapore (a mangrove swamp at the time) for probably 2,000 years and more. Some of the discussion above regarding the recent investments by China in foreign countries are inaccurate; they say that China is trying to use the western model to subjugate and control the countries that they invest in. This is ridiculous, as the Chinese have never had a colonial or neocolonial system. They have used a tributary system throughout their civilization, in which lesser states recognize the dominance and power of China, the benefits that they receive through trade with this dominant power, and they pay a tribute accordingly. This tribute can be couched in favorable trading terms, non-financial respect, or substantial payments. I would point out that the Chinese tributary system is primarily set up WITHOUT first conquering the lesser states. Sun Tze is still running through the veins of the Chinese; the best way to resolve issues among nations is without war. It’s unfortuate that the US cannot learn this lesson.

    Frankie P

  40. Excellent discussion and presentation by Linh Dinh. Kudos.

  41. Miro23 says:

    In the US, nationalism is reduced to waving the flag and mindless support for the troops, wherever they’re sent, on whatever pretext. As for the college indoctrinated, nationalism is just a shameful concept. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.

    The new Neo-Bolshevik United States isn’t yet a finished construction, but it’s well on the way.

    A small Jewish-Zionist elite, with a collection of well cared for Gentile collaborators, runs a strictly Politically Correct regime, with harsh punishments for “hate speech”, coupled with claims that the US is now a new paradise of “Tolerance and Righted Wrongs”.

    “Victim” classes are selected for all government work, with PC rules strictly applied to the private sector and the Media.

    Anglo-Europeans take the role of the Kulaks (enemies of the people – the so called historical aggressors) and may later be rounded up wholesale and delivered to detention/work camps for reeducation or worse.

    And, BTW, the (almost religious) higher calling of “Tolerance & Justice” can’t be obstructed by elections involving backward Deplorables or their Constitution.

    It may seem farfetched, but the Bolshevik Workers Paradise came about this way. A small group of Jewish activists around Lenin and Trotsky (still Nº1 Jewish hero) took absolute power in the name of “Social Justice”, murdered the old Russian aristocracy, took over their lifestyle, moved into their mansions and dachas and liquidated the ethnic Russian and Ukrainian middle classes. The keys to their power were a collection of well cared for ethnic Russian collaborators (traitors) and a well defined Class Enemy (the only national group that could have realistically challenged their power).

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    As long as you go back to Europe I have no problem with this.

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  43. Art says:

    In the US, nationalism is reduced to waving the flag and mindless support for the troops, wherever they’re sent, on whatever pretext. As for the college indoctrinated, nationalism is just a shameful concept. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.

    America is like late Rome, decaying by the day. We are too far gone to come back to our founding constitutional ways – the Jews have us screwed every way we turn.

    When Rome died Christianity flourished. Europe had relative peaceful times. After our fall, America will return as a mass of local communities with the ideals of Jeffersonian local governing.

    Think Peace —- Art

  44. anarchyst says:
    @Miro23

    Obtain and watch the low-budget movie “They Live”..in it are good representations of our TRUE enemies…

    • Replies: @Miro23
  45. Da Wei says:
    @n230099

    n230099, “who writes this stuff?” Linh Dinh. And he’s a damn good writer.

    Those of us who were 18 in Theo’s day or, in my case, before, were probably better informed about the world than we would be at that age now. “The world” I refer to includes ambiguities like “communism”, a term as frequently used and seldom defined as “racist”. A lot of bright young men during the 60s were caught up with parades and speeches, WWII vets’ admonishments and the domino theory, then, the Induction Centers.

    Most fights are fueled by ignorance, so not fully understanding what we think we fight against might just be a requirement of wanting to fight it. I can fully understand that Theo went off with the intent to fight communism. Just what that is, I’m not so sure, and I’ve lived in a “communist” country now for over ten years. By the way, I left to make a better living and escape race and gender politics.

  46. Escher says:
    @Anonymous

    Singapore has similar signs, although the Chinese population there left the mother country a long time back.

  47. Da Wei says:

    Linh Dinh, reading your writing is a lot like watching Archie Moore box. They called him the “ole mongoose”, because he covered up so well as he plodded around the ring, studying his opponent. Then, at just the right moment, he sprang out with a deftly delivered combination that knocked his opponent into the middle of next week. Literally. One legendary opponent told me he was left hooked so hard in his title fight with Archie that he was in the daze of a childhood memory while the ref counted him out. Archie Moore was poetry in motion, a master of setting the guy up. That’s something like how you write.

    You start with an engaging story about real people that the reader would feel comfortable getting to know. They’re not uppity types, but like so many real people I’ve known over the years. You circle the ring, or in this case the dining table or a bar, setting the reader up with a relaxed empathy. When you’ve pulled us in, bam! you open up with a deft combination, head to gut, microcosm to macrocosm and hammer your point home. I really like your style. Of course, it helps that I agree completely with the ideas you express.

    And what you say about China: totally on point. I’ve lived in Guangdong for over a decade, sending money home to California to pay off a double mortgage. (Oh, sure, I pay the IRS tax money they want, to prove I’m not selling dope to pay off the mortgage.) And a couple days ago I returned from northern Viet Nam, on a cruise ship, no less. Figure that.

  48. Escher says:
    @DB Cooper

    Linh Dinh should be grateful that Vietnam’s big neighbor is not India but China.

    I’m sure the Tibetans are very grateful.

  49. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    I also voted for Trump, having voted for left politicians such as Nader and the Green Party in past elections. I always vote for the candidate that speaks against our wars and Wall Street. I consider Trump a flawed leader of a good cause. His big mouth isn’t his flaw, either – I actually like that. His flaw is he may not have the backbone or intelligence to beat the deep state.

  50. Truth says:
    @n230099

    You weren’t familiar with McCarthy in the late 60′s?

  51. DB Cooper says:
    @Escher

    “I’m sure the Tibetans are very grateful.”

    This kind of cheap shot only works for the gullibles but most of the readers of this site are probably at the very least skeptical of the MSM and the MSM would have us believe that the Tibetans in China are restless but are they?

    Studies done by academics have shown that Tibetans in China are actually more nationalistic Chinese than their Han counterpart but this will never be reported in the MSM.


    But Tibetans living in South Tibet (made a state and renamed by India to Arunachal Pradesh) that was invaded and annexed by India in 1951 most likely are seething with anger judging by the way India reacted to the situation. I am talking about the notorious AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) imposed on South Tibet. AFSPA is a law dating back to the colonial times when the British has an empire in South Asia. It is a law that gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity and is meant to intimidate the locals and suppress dissents. AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as Kashmir and the northeast.

    South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to the four hundred years old Tibetan monastery the Galden Namgey Lhatse. The area is indisputedly traditional Tibetan homeland but is now ruled by India.

    Part of Tibet was invaded by India in 1951. You will never read this in the MSM!

  52. Tulip says:

    “In the US, nationalism is reduced to waving the flag and mindless support for the troops, wherever they’re sent, on whatever pretext. As for the college indoctrinated, nationalism is just a shameful concept. Within such a context, it’s no wonder this nation is deformed, drugged and dying.”

    Africans get it, Asians get it, why are white people so #$%^ing stupid!

    • Replies: @grapesoda
    , @Da Wei
  53. kauchai says:
    @Escher

    They should be. If not for the liberation of tibet in the early 1950′s, the entire population will still be tied as serfs to the dalai lama’s clique of slave owners. Tibet today will still be the “shangrila” of the world where its people will be worked to the bones and eat rats for breakfast, lunch and dinner. (Ref: The Making of Modern Tibet – A. Tom Grunfeld – )

  54. Miro23 says:
    @anarchyst

    Obtain and watch the low-budget movie “They Live”..in it are good representations of our TRUE enemies…

    Yes, I’ve seen it, and there’s nothing else quite like it. It beats me how John Carpenter could make a film like this 30 years ago (1988). In the story, an outsider becomes an insider through a fateful accident , with his newly acquired knowledge finally setting the Empire on the road to destruction (the weak link was the MSM propaganda machine and its eventual failure).

    And apart from the freakishly prescient story, it’s really good entertainment. Well acted , and with one of the longest fight sequences ever.

    https://www.amazon.com/They-Live-Keith-David/dp/B000I9VOWG/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1514695235&sr=1-1&keywords=they+live

  55. grapesoda says:
    @Tulip

    That’s right, let it all out. Where did the white man touch you lol. Seriously though, you think Chinese aren’t nationalist? You are a complete idiot. So glad we let these aliens into our country so they could hate us because of our race. Of course they’d never say such things to our face because we are bigger and stronger, but get them together in groups like this and you can see how they really think.

  56. Da Wei says:
    @Anonymous

    This is encouraging to read and I hope you’re right.

    Recent graduates’ “understanding that they really don’t know much at all” suggests two things. First, the brainwashing in the “educational system” may not have had much effect. Second, their minds may not be smugly shut and they can learn. When you think you know enough, you learn no more.

    “Demonizing” university education is old stuff. You can look back to the 1964 Free Speech Movement at UC Berkley. The followers felt “dehumanized” by oversized classes and minimal personal contact with professors, so they raised hell on campus. The first “leader” of that sophomoric group, Mario Savio, left the movement to avoid seeing it become a personality (his) cult. I admired that. Eventually he became a bar tender and completed his degree decades later.

    Then, as always, serious students avoided the whole show and studied hard, and debate was still open and encouraged on most campuses. You didn’t have to fit in so much in those days. Today, the stringent PC on university campuses makes it hard to engage in the kind of debate that strengthens education. That’s why I referred to it as brainwashing. And that’s why I appreciate your comment. Happy New Year!

  57. Bill Jones says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    Who would do otherwise?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Aaron probably realizes people are getting fleeced. The future might be indentured servitude. There’s no way the wealthiest recipients of Government giveaways in the US give too much of a fuck about the little fish. They watch us on the internet,

  59. DanC says:

    It would pay to remember that China has invaded and occupied the region that is now called Vietnam several times over the past centuries, and the most recent invasion happened in 1979, although the war only lasted a few months.

    The Vietnamese are smart to keep a long memory (all the more so since the Chinese invaded over the pretext of the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, although it was more complicated than that.)

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  60. DB Cooper says:
    @DanC

    Do you know that the Vietnamese are not well liked in its neighborhood? The Cambodians hate the Vietnamese for obvious reason, the Laotians are not fond of the Vietnamese either. The Hmongs also hate the Vietnamese. They help the US fight against the Vietnamese during the Vietnam war. Vietnam is also the most aggressive in terms of island grabbing in the South China Sea by a wide margin. Vietnam is perceived as a little bully by its neighbors.

    The allegation of China has invaded and occupied the region that is now called Vietnam several times over the past centuries is just nonsense. China help Vietnam to drive off the French and then the US but is met with ungrateful hostility when the Vietnamese perceived China sold them off when China seek to normalize relations with Vietnam’s sworn enemy the US. From China’s perspective the 1979 is meant to teach Vietnam a lesson because of its constant border aggression (lobbing bombs across the borders and its invasion of Cambodia). The war as you mention was short and China retreated back to its border as promised after making its point. Not even the Vietnamese accused China of land grabbing. This is very different than India. India’s invasion of its neighbors is all about land grabbing. But as I have said earlier, you will never read about that in the MSM.

    • Replies: @TT
    , @Escher
  61. bossel says:

    “Chinese media don’t mock and corrupt ordinary Chinese.”
    Hmm, depends on how you define “corrupt”. They definitely fill the people’s minds with nationalist & commie propaganda. & too many actually believe that crap.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
    , @bluedog
  62. TT says:
    @Brabantian

    “One thing tho that is likely to happen shortly in China, is that, just like the USA in 1929 before its final ascent to global hegemony, China will be hit hard by the crash of its 40 trillion in dodgy unpayable internal debt – along with the USA and most of the world, which collectively has a debt bomb of over 200 trillion, essentially impossible to pay and due to explode eventually. That will limit China’s dominance in the medium term, the next 15 years or so. ‘One Belt One Road’ may well crash and burn before a resurrection circa 2035.”

    I have been reading these China debt fueled economic crash propaganda since 25yrs ago(like your quoted Asia Times filled with nonsense), yet China is still growing at break neck speed with impressive achievements across every fields till today, uplifting 700Mil from poverty within few decades.

    To invest in infrastructures, R&D, education, industrialisation, social, and strategic assests for country development like China is absolutely different from US in squandering on wars, military, QE support to 1% rich lobbists/wallstreet banker while cutting down education and social needs.

    China debt is all internal, supported by high saving rate (40%) like Japan(300% GDP debt), so all interest get plough back, unlike unsustainable US debt mostly held by foreigners with interest outflow. China has decades of export surplus, back by $3Tril US treasury, 2000+tones of gold, and massive investments across extensive areas and regions such as digital economy, logistic, oil&gas, seaports, Obor & AIIB…. These comprehensive & integrated investments have already generated so much developemts & wealth that you need to travel to China to see oneself instead of regurgitating msm sewage. There you can see how run down are US/EU/Japan comparatively, even Singapore/Hk/Korea are quickly losing its edge. Taiwan is already down the drain.

    Im not from China so nothing to biase, but we have to be realistic to position ourselves for future China century. People need to travel out to see the world himself, not through the fake msm, like a toad in the well looking up, decrying the sky is so narrow.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  63. Alden says:
    @Blissex

    I’ve read Lords of the Rim and other books by Seagrave.

    And I love Linh’s articles. He’s something like that great Chicago Sun Times columnist Mike Royko.

  64. Alden says:
    @n230099

    We knew all about communism and the Chinese communism that threatened Indonesia, and Vietnam

    We grew up knowing what happened in Eastern Europe after the soviet take over.

    Of course our college professors kept telling us how wonderful the communist take over of China was.

  65. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    Agreed. Global MSM are mostly controlled by West(CIA) to spew propaganda sewage, except in few countries like Russia, China, Iran… so US hate them.

    I only get to read about China attacked to Vietnam in Lee Kuan Yew memoir. There he said, “after US defeated and fled, North Viet started to invade Cambodia, with Asean next. Vietnam, backed by Soviet, is invincible now. Asean had sent all their armies to Thailand’s border, possibly able to hold few weeks at most. So LKY went to ask Deng XP help. After China unsuccessful to dissuade Vietnam(whose China help rebuilt its economic and infrastructure after war), Chinese army launched punitive short attack to destroy its war capacity, while confronting Soviet million troops at its northern border. Soviet failed to honor its Vietnam treaty to counter attack China, so Vietnam invincibility war pride got crippled. China save whole Asean with its blood(many thousands soldier dead), so Asia can enjoy peaceful growth for next 30 yrs.”

    Where are the msm reports on all these!? Only nonsense China aggression till these days. When the whole Vietnam was drunk in its invincible hubris after defeating world most powerful US allied, its hard to swallow been defeated. And border wars continue until they signed border agreement later. Enmity is still deeply inside.

    South China Seas SCS is another Obama big lies spins, that will need UN and many independent historical facts to debunk. Infact, its US Navy that help China KMT gov to get back SCS islands from defeated Japan’s army.

    India defeated border war is another pride hurt story that India is still spinning China aggression story and brainwashed its nation, and remain the only country China could not sign a border agreement even offering India first choice to choose dispute land.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  66. Da Wei says:
    @bossel

    bossel, you be wastin’ our time wif reading dis! You been to China?

    You know what it is you be runnin’ yo damn mouf about?

    I SAY, come on ova here and see it fo yoself. Din, maybe yo know what da hell you mouf off about! “Commie propaganda”? Man, you don’t know shit from Shinola. Get up offa yo damn ass an go to China an see fo yoself! I did. I here now fo long damn time an I can tell you dat you ain’t knowin’ yo ass from yo elbow bout China or Chinese people or maybe nofin else.

  67. Tulip says:
    @grapesoda

    Of course the Chinese are nationalist, as was the United States back in the “bad old days” when it was becoming a world power with the biggest economy in the world. That educated whites insist on seeing the values and outlook of the “bad old days” as “problematic”, while their country declines, their middle class is hollowed out, and their working class shoots themselves to death with dope, it just amazes me.

    • Replies: @iffen
  68. Da Wei says:
    @Tulip

    Tulip,

    White people aren’t stupid. We’re just the ones who set up the operation in the first place, the government and other institutions we now have to deal with. We’re getting tagged, because we allow it to happen.

    We’re the ones who created what is now the International Scouting Movement. We’re the original law and order guys. We’re the Ward and June Cleavers. Then later, we were told we were the cause of society’s ills, so we backed affirmative action and a War on Poverty and maybe some of it did some good. Who knows? We always believed in following the rules and now we’re the ones being told we caused all the problems of the world. We believe that, too, sometimes. It’s the new rule. Look at any wimpy assed white man on any television show. You know what I mean.

    White people aren’t stupid. We’ve just had the crap punched out of us, because we’ve had our guards down. We aren’t dead, just dazed. We’re not weak, just fat and out of shape.

    And the Biggest Mistake White People Have Made: We’ve believed we are what other people tell us we are. (BTW, that is the biggest mistake anyone can make in his personal life, as well.)

    If we could just go back to the principles that guided us in the beginning — look to the founders of the Boy Scouts movement, for example, or to gutsy men like Jefferson and Jackson — then we could find our bearings. Turn on the television or listen to our politicians? No way in hell. What we need to have again are barber shops and beauty shops where men and women could say what they think. We need public forums like that, on the small to large scale. We need to get it together and stop listening to people who tell us what to think and what to do. We need to get it together ourselves.

    White people are stupid if we believe we’re as bad as the media and BLM and Farakhan (a good preacher, BTW) and others tell us we are. If we’re not stupid, then we will get it together the way white people have done before. There is a White History, too, you know, just no month.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  69. Escher says:
    @DB Cooper

    I hope Xi Jinping is paying you well.

    • Troll: TT
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  70. @fnn

    Google the kung fu flick “The Crippled Masters”.

  71. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well written, Linh.

  72. denk says:
    @anonymous

    What do you expect from someone with such a name, kerry + Bolton ?

    I had a few skirmishes with this nut job some years back,

    This is one of his master piece !
    Geopolitical Realignments: USA-Israel-China versus Russia-Europe-Arabia

    ROFLMAO !

    In those threads ,
    I trashed his ass real good but how come he’s in Katehon now ?
    Hmmmm

    p.s.
    quoting Kerry Bolton !
    Somebody are really scrapping the bottom,
    hhhhh

  73. iffen says:

    Nice article as usual, L. D.

    I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t take a swipe at the “800 pound gorilla.”

    What gives?

    JOTBD in remission?

  74. denk says:
    @Brabantian

    A newbie eh ?
    Bet you dont know who’s Brahma Callaney !
    I knew that uber Indian neocon, even longer than that kerry Bolton nutjob.

    Challaney accusing Chinese of exploiting Sri Lanka ?
    Classic anglo/Indian style,
    Robber crying robbery !

    First off,
    India is a bigger credtor than China,

    Mk Bhadrakumar..
    ‘ for the Sri Lankan “debt trap”, the less said the better. The facts are as follows:

    In terms of donor-wise debt calcification, in the bilateral category, Japan ranks as the country to which Sri Lanka is indebted most – SL Rs. 486.8 billion; next comes India (SL Rs. 142.3 billion); and, China comes third (SL. Rs. 131.6 billion.)

    In fact, Japan and multilateral agencies (ADB, IDA and others) alone account for more than half of Sri Lanka’s total external debt. China’s share comes to less than 5 percent of the total external threat. Our pundits don’t even seem to be aware that Sri Lanka’s internal debt by far outstrips the country’s total foreign debt.’

    Secondly, in time of difficulty, guess who’d be more likely to push a debtor to the edge , China or India ?
    Hint….Ask the neighbors, !

    http://www.eyesrilanka.com/2017/03/17/indian-interventions/

    P.S.
    Kerry Bolton + Brahma Challaney ?
    Somebody are really really scrapping the bottom !
    heheheh

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @denk
  75. DB Cooper says:
    @TT

    Totally agreed with what you said. One minor correction. India is not the only country China has yet to settle its land border. There is another one, Bhutan. China has fourteen contiguous land borders and has amicably settled twelve of the fourteen with the exception of India and Bhutan. The reason Bhutan hasn’t settled its border with China is because India is treating Bhutan as its own domain and disallow Bhutan to settle its border with China. Bhutan is a small country with a population of about seven hundred thousands but has over ten thousands India paramilitary of all sorts stationed there against the wishes of the Bhutanese people. As you can imagine the resentment of the Bhutanese against India is very high. But the MSM again is muted on this. Instead it frequently use the term India’s ally Bhutan to describe the relation, which is ridiculous. Bhutan does not want to be ally of India, it wants to be a truly independent sovereign country without the strangle hold of India.

    Here are two resources of what Bhutanese think of India. The first one is a facebook article by a Bhutanese titled ‘Who is bullying Bhutan?’

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/278156858950985/permalink/1118711044895558/

    The second one is a blog from a Bhutanese.

    http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/10/doklam-and-dhokha-betrayal.html

    By the way India also has many land neighbors. How many of its borders has it settled? Take a guess. Answer: One, with Bangladesh (a few years ago).

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    , @TT
    , @TT
  76. @grapesoda

    reading his comment, I thought he meant africans and asians are nationalists, why don’t white people get it and also be nationalists. so, what is your problem with his comment when you also want whites to be nationalists :)))

  77. @Escher

    HA. on a related note, can you counter his points? :)))

  78. @Brabantian

    The first time I visited china in 1993, my Hong Kong based agent told me something that he seemed very much convinced of ” the Chinese never follow the enemy beyond the top of the mountain”.
    Looking at the history of China, even though I am far from being an expert, one would sense that this country that is much older than the United States, has been by an large content with what its geography offered its people and to my knowledge rarely if ever engaged in aggressive colonialism the way the Western powers have done especially since the the renaissance era.
    Yet, what is more relevant than the historic comparative of Western to Chinese colonialism is what is happening today. China did join the World Trade Organization two weeks after 9/11 when the world’s attention was somewhere else. Little did anyone know the caveat that the Chinese managed to get which sets their entry in the WTO as a radically different experience than most other WTO members, which is the right to limit ownership of foreign entities to 49% which means that the Chinese will have the last word in any joint venture with foreigners. That fact has allowed China to buy the technology of the foreign investors and to move the Chinese trade from largely low tech items to high tech with Hwawei a case in point. Thus China managed to get the best of possible worlds, from the opportunities of globalisation to the protection of the home market from predatory foreign business practices.
    My last trip to China was in 2006. I could hardly believe this the country I visited 13 years ago. The modernisation of the infrastructure was just staggering in direct contrast to the marked decline I noticed in many European capitals.
    The transition of China from a largely poor society to building a solid middle class of 300 million did not go without undesirable consequences though. According to a young, long time Chinese supplier who happens to be a man of great integrity and the grandson of a high communist times official, the Chinese society is getting so overwhelmed and obsessed with money making that their traditional Confucian culture is being eroded in the interest of money gathering with rampant corruption that is pushing all state governments to build useless infrastructure such as bridges that have no economic value in the ulterior motive of dividing the spoils, and people’s relations are very much motivated by profit.
    As far as China’s debt legacy, Mr. Steven Leeb author of the book ‘Red Alert’ has argued at KingWorldNews.com that according to his study of the biggest 4000 companies in China, their ratio of Debt to income before interest payment and depreciation is almost 1 when most S&P companies have a comparative ratio of 2.5 on average.
    However, I would note that the most important difference between the societal state of China vs the West is the way the Chinese government treats its people especially in the medical field. According to a six year English resident in china who wrote a letter to Mike King of the Anti New York Times, the patient in China will be treated by all kind of herbal medicinal plants before being pushed to swallow pills of antibiotics. This proves that what is claimed as being a totalitarian, authoritarian regime is reigning unto their big pharmaceuticals in the interest of the common man.
    I would lastly emphasise that I have never heard a speech in the Wedtern world that emulates the one pronounced by President Xi in the last Communist Party congress where words such as ” building a happy, harmonious, egalitarian society…” made up the most important part of this long speech, another proof that China is engaging on building up the Chinese individual as opposed to the systemic dehumanising of the Western individual by governments that are totally run in the interest of the 1%.
    And that is much more than any Western government could ever claim in its service of the people.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @utu
  79. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    This Brahma Challaney guy is a piece of work. I actually enjoy reading his articles because they are often ridiculous to the point of being hilarious. But he is being taken serious enough that his BS is often posted on many MSM site. I am sure he is on the payroll of the RAW.

    • Replies: @denk
  80. denk says:
    @DB Cooper

    Challaney and his anglo soul mates can be summed up in one sentence,
    ROBBER CRYING ROBBERY.

    For another example, look at the way they’r decrying China’s
    ‘colonisation of Africa’ !

    But in the anglo/Indian world, the bigger your B.S., the bigger your circulation,
    thus his works traverse the whole anglo/Indian/Jp MSM circuit.

    I did many pitched battles in the old ‘usegroups’ with these lords of lies, before google bought over and call it newsgroups these days.

    hhhhhh

  81. @Joe Levantine

    I would lastly emphasize that I have never heard a speech in the Western world that emulates the one pronounced by President Xi in the last Communist Party congress where words such as ” building a happy, harmonious, egalitarian society…” made up the most important part of this long speech, another proof that China is engaging on building up the Chinese individual as opposed to the systemic dehumanizing of the Western individual by governments that are totally run in the interest of the 1%.
    And that is much more than any Western government could ever claim in its service of the people.

    I 100% agree with this. elites in both countries will always want to get richer. but the chinese elites seems to think long term, they know if they don’t make the rest of the country at least a little bit better, they will be in front of the guillotine sooner or later. there is no 2nd taiwan to escape to this time.

    about what brabatian wrote:

    in the greece case, it was the greece’s fault? the borrower.
    in the sri lanka’s case, it is the chinese’s fault? the lender.
    in both cases, the borrower got taken to the cleaners. greece was way worst as it wasn’t just a port but the entire country got looted.

    somehow china gets singled out as the worst, economic hitman :)))

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  82. iffen says:
    @Tulip

    We have lost our asabiyah and no one has the faintest idea of how to get it back.

    We wuz kangz at one time.

    Decent, honorable and fair kangz that I would match against any, but no more.

    • Troll: Astuteobservor II
  83. bluedog says:
    @bossel

    Hmm then your saying they are just like us,and that in itself is a sorry thing…

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Is Fentanyl from China a payback, with interest, for the opium trade of the 18th and 19th centuries?”

    Inside job on this one too, which includes the Chinese entrepreneur (or predator). Blow up Iraq and take the oil? Financed by the Chinese. Opiates? ‘Bring your tired, your poor, your huddled masses and billions in plunder with more drugs to cover the spread – after all we are not communists’

  85. utu says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thanks for your comment. Very interesting: (1) the 49% and (2) President Xi’s ” building a happy, harmonious, egalitarian society…”

  86. Druid says:
    @Escher

    As are the people of Xinxiang!

    • LOL: iffen
  87. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Frankie P

    China is providing an attractive alternative to western capitalism, which has fallen so far down the crony capitalism, oligarchs control the government

    The U.S. is following finance capitalism. China is using Industrial Capitalism.

    Industrial Capitalism WAS used in America prior to Federal Reserve Act. In those days, it was called the American system, and was led by Peshine Smith and Henry Clay. China’s banks are predominantly Chinese state banks, with a smaller mixture of foreign private banks. America got rich using Industrial Capitalism.

    Industrial Capitalism was used by the Kaiser, and was led by Frederich List. Japan figured out that American Finance Capitalism was defective, and this was confirmed when Peshine Smith went to Japan and became native. Smith further influenced Japan onto Industrial Capitalism pathways.

    China is not doing anything that wasn’t done before. Belt and Road initiative is the same concept as Baghdad Berlin railroad, which was intended to go on to cross the Bosporous, and finally connect to Russia – thus creating an Eurasian connected land economy. Today’s China is an echo of Kaiser’s Germany.

    Finance ((Capital)) maneuvered to start war world war; that is to fight Industrial Capitalism. England’s Oligarchs especially felt threatened by Germany. Finance also got rich though ownership of military goods production, so it was win-win. Kill the Germans, remove them as a threat, and get rich while doing it.

    In modern times, China was able to dupe Wall Street by recycling dollars won in mercantile trade to buy finance’s debt instruments. Buying of TBills (debts) held up the TBill price, and lowered interest rates, which then was a major factor in causing finance housing bubble. So, finance was happy as the bulk of their debts are issued against property (about 70 percent), meanwhile the deplorables had their 401K’s go up in apparent value while simultaneously their job were offshored.

    True nationalism is only possible with Sovereign money (not private “international” bank credit). True nationalism requires Industrial Capitalism. Industrial Capitalism requires that State “credit” channel into industry instead of finance debt paper shuffling. Industry makes things and creates real wealth.

    The argument is not communism vs capitalism, it is about the nature of money and how it channels. Millenials are shilling for communism, but they are confused because they don’t understand economy or history.

    The true nature of money is law, and it is to channel within a nations borders, and more so into the commons and industry. Communism is a dialectic invented by our ((Friends)) where they retain the levers of power. Both finance capitalism and communism are pyramid schemes. The former funnels usury to the top of pyramid to then fund usurping the state, and latter uses the state for top down control to benefit the few.
    http://www.sovereignmoney.eu

  88. @Astuteobservor II

    “in the greece case, it was the greece’s fault? the borrower.
    in the sri lanka’s case, it is the chinese’s fault? the lender.
    in both cases, the borrower got taken to the cleaners. greece was way worst as it wasn’t just a port but the entire country got looted.”
    Great perception of the anti Chinese bias. From where I work I have witnessed many Chinese sponsored projects. My conviction is that the Chinese try to reach for the win win situation in contrast to the worst emperialistic practices of the worst type of colonisers namely the British. If you compare their colonial legacy, from China ( the opium war), to India ( the disaster of the partitioning of India into Pakistan and India), to Palestine, to the partitioning of Cyprus, to countless African disasters which I will not list here, we notice that the new imperial drive of the Chinese is bound to be the most successful, as their ideology does not put much weight on the supremacy of the Chinese race ( no right of an Englishman) but more on a way that gives the weaker party a stake in the commercial relationship. Hence, the Chinese have been concentrating on the buildup of the infrastructure of most of the countries of the third world where they have an interest in extractive industries with the crowning of this policy with OBOR ( one belt one road) that is bound to unite Eurasia economically in way that never happened before. Just think that goods transported by rail from China to Europe will take around one week. Marco Polo must be wondering in amazement since it took him a few years to make the trip from Italy to China.

  89. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    Oh forgot about Indian”Bhutan”. Bhutan is not souvenir since its not allowed to have any foreign affairs with the world without India approval, under a treaty down its throat. So heroic India is hysteria to protect Bhutan against China aggression for paving a small dirt road at China Donglan border. Modhi has sacrificed India peace and prosperity by poisoning its relationship with China for his Hindustanism, and instilled hatreds between two nations.

    Did msm tell about Bhutan been controlled or Sikkim been swallowed up by India? How about Nepal been hold ransom by India and its mass migration to dominate Nepal? No, only China aggression from msm sewage. Im not siding who, but we must not be blindly swallowing msm fake news driven by Anglo Zionism and India nationalism.

    But Bhutan is consistently the most happy country, this matter most. Shouldn’t the whole world like Syria/NKorea/Iran… start cring running to big daddy India begging for its kind protection from US aggression?

    • Replies: @Malla
  90. Randal says:
    @Frankie P

    “The Left abandoned the one good function they had performed, representing worker interests. The Right abandoned the one good function they had performed, resisting government expansion. Both sides ran headlong into every war they could find, many of which served the interests of a foreign nation. Voters turned out to be too stupid to stop all this.”

    Commenter chrisj, here:

    http://www.unz.com/freed/firing-the-pre-pubertal-arquebus/#comment-2120676

    Like you, I think it’s an excellent comment. It’s basically a summary in four sentences of the most central aspect of the political history of the US sphere liberal democracies in the C20th-C21st.

  91. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    To highlight how West msm propaganda fake news are badly distorting our views, to implant imaginary enemies like Russia, China, Iran, North Korea…. thus creating much hatred among nations towards supporting US cruel war waging in the whole world(almost every wars are waged by US after WW2), let’s look at how monstrous global msm cranked up South China Seas dispute with shameless Western & some puppet Asean leaders lying daily to blast the world with fake news 24/7 last year.

    The whole world(incl me and you) is brainwashed to believe blindly its China illegal occupying islands, without bother to check who is so actively instigating this SCS dispute and historical facts.

    Then suddenly UN declared it had nothing to do with this kangaroo fake PCA”Permanent Court of Arbitration at Hague”. This kangaroo court and Judges were instigated by US Obama, installed by Japan PM Abe stooge(Mr Shunji Yanai), paid by Philippine President Aquino. Of course China outright refused to participate. Yet Obama, EU, Japan, puppet Asean leaders took every chance to quote UN name shamelessly.

    Some righteous western scholars and a Singapore researcher KT Tan had challenged and debunked these lying US Sea law experts(incl Princeton University professors) in their forums, citing UN and International sea law impeccably clear that Unclos cannot apply to judge a country’s sovereignty claim in SCS, and their judgement is utterly absurb and flawed. Yet these rogue experts & msm continued to spew lies shamelessly. Irony, the chief instigator US is the only one refuse to be a signatory of Unclos, not a party to the SCS dispute and never abide to any World Court judgements.

    Professor Myron Nordquist, of the University of Virginia School of Law, has opined that the ruling was a “huge mistake” and should be “criticised severely”.

    “The PCA is not a court. It only provides a registry and secretarial assistance to “arbitral tribunals constituted to resolve specific disputes” for a fee.”

    Singpore researcher KT Tan wrote a article to absolutely debunked the absurb judgement clearly with facts supporting these islands belong to China legally:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/did-the-ruling-sink-the-rule-of-law

    Buried by US & Asean lies to damage its core interest, China sent out its nuclear submarines to US bases, with Navy and bombers group conducting live firing in SCS till the eve of fake PCA Hague judgement day to confront the two US strike groups, which went hiding at Philippine east, dare not even enter SCS. It exposed US Pacific fleet Command Admiral Harry Harris (a Japanese) boast “US is ready, war start tonight” is nothing but hot air. China call US a “Paper Tiger” openly. Did you got to read that in msm? Likely not.

    Afraid of escalating to war, Obama immediately despatched US top General and NSA advisor Susan Rice to visit Beijing for settlement. China General sternly warned US General not to play with fire, including msm smearing propaganda must stop immediately. Global msm & Asean claimants then suddenly went total silent revealing how powerful is US CIA assets in controlling global msms and countries. Under Trumps its reviving again now.

    Im not from China or any expert, yet i could access such information in public websites by google(recently so badly censored?!), certainly all world leaders have better information, yet many continue to lies blatantly. Lead by the US Obama & Japan Abe, together with Vietnam, Philippine Aquino and Singapore PM Lee had taken every chance to vehemently demand China to obey the illegal setup arbitration knowing clearly its not recognized by UN with absurb judgement. Certainly PM Lee has access to KT Tan research paper published in Singapore newspaper.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  92. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    To debunk the 11/9 doted lines US lies will take another article length comment which you can read yourself.. Older US, Canada produced world maps still clearly show China is the legitimate owners of all SCS islands. During 1800 Britannica and British world Atlas all show SCS belong to China. China announced in 1947 to reinforce these 11 historical lines, which Zhou Enlai change to 9 later, without any dispute from the world including US, UK and SCS border countries. It cannot be in one Obama’s stroke become illegimate. There are whole archived of historical facts, not an overnight drive by claim.

    The one who controlled msm control the world, with their brainwashed people. That’s how many foolish people harbour ill wills towards countries that do them no harm, like Russia, China, North Korea, Myanmar, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba,… a long list that US targeted.

    If you can hold all countries leaders hostage with their hidden secrets by tapping all their communication like US 5Eyes 24/7, they will sell their country to remain in power.

    We got to be careful not to harbour or spread enmity among nations because of MSM propaganda fake news.

  93. denk says:
    @denk

    India became more actively involved in the late 1980s, and on June 05, 1987 the Indian Air Force airdropped food parcels as well as weapons to Jaffna while it was under siege by Sri Lankan forces. At a time when the Sri Lankan government stated it was close to defeating the LTTE, India dropped 25 tons of food and medicine by parachute into areas held by the LTTE in a direct move of support to the rebels.

    Does it ring a bell ?
    Replace India/IAF/Sri Lanka/LTTE with
    Murikka/USAF/Syria/ISIS…

    Can you see the same B.S. about WOT,
    the same blatant disregard of international law,
    the utter contempt on a nation’s sovereignty ?

    There’s this oft repeated canard of murkka./India being natural partners, er….
    One’s the ‘world’s oldest democracy’, the other is
    ‘the world’s largest democracy’ ?

    I agree they’r natural partners alright,
    One’s the world’s oldest rogue and the other, the world’s largest rogue nation !

    hehehehe

    • Replies: @TT
  94. @MEFOBILLS

    Excellent and useful discussion. Takes the long view from a different perspective, and is not shackled to bullshit forms of ideology-centered stupidity.

    So, where does it leave us, and where do we go from here? What actions can, and should be taken?

  95. @MEFOBILLS

    In modern times, China was able to dupe Wall Street by recycling dollars won in mercantile trade to buy finance’s debt instruments. Buying of TBills (debts) held up the TBill price, and lowered interest rates, which then was a major factor in causing finance housing bubble.

    this was 100% part of the plan by the US bankers. printed papers for actual products. china went along with it so they can build it’s own infrastructure from a base of zero.

  96. @MEFOBILLS

    Great comment and wonderful summary of a problem that gets little attention in academia except for Michael Hudson’s ‘ killing the host’.
    Your comparison between finance capitalism and industrial capitalism hits the nail on the head and summarises the predicament of the United States in particular and that of the Anglo Zionist empire in general.
    If millennials can understand your prognosis of the ailing American economy, the future might be brighter for the U.S.
    Many thanks for your astute analysis.

  97. “Capitalism is imploding, he’s convinced, because it is inherently unjust, and China is the future”

    I posted this exact thing at a different message board.

    To the millennials, capitalism = Detroit and communism = shanghai.

    go look up a pic of each…….don’t whine and cry about liberals or blacks or whatever the fuck you “think” the reason is. This kid “knows” differently.

  98. @Frankie P

    “His bits about the First Nations and the US Southwest deciding to form their own country or join Mexico are completely unhinged!”

    Somebody isn’t paying attention!!! This is what he’s been taught his whole life. Sorry to break it to ya but the USA fucked itself right out of a country.

  99. @Linh Dinh

    I kind of want to add my Vietnam related experiences from Berlin (which has both North and South Vietnamese). North Vietnamese seem to be more hostile to China then South Vietnamese.

    The relation between Vietnam and China seems to have a couple of similiarities to the relationship between Poland and Russia. There is plenty of fear and defiance on the Vietnamese/Polish side and a certain smug arrogant attitude on the Russian/Chinese side. From my experience though, Russians are less arrogant towards Poles (Russia does see Poland as an albeit minor rival, while China will not deign to call Vietnam a “rival”, they are just a target) then Chinese are towards Vietnamese.

    Vietnam traditionally used its pretty good relations with both India and Russia to have its own little informal “lets contain China a bit” operation, and supported India in some of its “there are too many small states in the Himalaya” antics (India in return diplomatically supported Vietnamese adventures in Cambodia).
    The Soviets meanwhile provided sizeable support to Vietnam during the various Vietnam wars, and actually opened fire on the Chinese during 1979 affair (there was both cross border firing along various parts of the Sino-Soviet border, and well as infiltration of Soviet uprising specialists into Sinkiang). On Top of that, the Soviets improvised various ways for the Vietnamese to access superior Soviet Satellite and Signal intelligence, as well as superior Soviet C4 systems.
    There was a possibility for a broader Sino-Soviet war had Hanoi been taken by the Chinese (who thankfully did not even came close to achieving this objective).

    Now that western antics in Ukraine are forcing Russia into the Chinese camp, Vietnams strategic position vis a vis China is likely going to worsen. Russia will understand that Vietnam wants an American option, and will not move to sabotage such ties.

    From some former Soviet military people in my extended family, the Vietnamese had a much better reputation in terms of willingness to learn, combat ability etc. then the North Koreans, Chinese, and some Warsaw pact members, and a much much better one then the various Arabs.

  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We’re going to get a lot more propaganda as we implode. Check out the spin machine in action, compare and contrast Immelt’s blow hole laying out the goods over time:

    Jeffrey Immelt, 2016: “We will localize. In the future, sustainable growth will require a local capability within a global footprint. Governments and big institutions just don’t work”

    Jeffrey Immelt, 2014: “Starting in the 1980s, most of us saw it as our task to outsource manufacturing, to move it to low-cost countries. This continued through the 1990s and into the very early 2000s.”

    Jeffrey Immelt, 2012: “The one thing that actually works, state run communism a bit– may not be your cup of tea, but their government works.”

    jeffrey Immelt, 2011: “A large and educated workforce is fueling China’s strength”

    Jeffrey Immelt, 2010: “I really worry about China, I am not sure that in the end they want any of us to win, or any of us to be successful.”

  101. DB Cooper says:
    @TT

    Thanks for the link, lot of informed materials there. In regards to the South China Sea as far as getting the world opinions to its side China is at a disadvantage due to the size difference between China and the other claimants and this fact has been skillfully exploited by the Philippines by portraying itself as a hapless victim against a bullying expansionist. In reality it is the reverse. It is the Philippines (with the US behind its back of course and all those freedom of navigation nonsense) that is browbeating China to accept an illegal ruling of the PCA in a manner reminiscent of the British browbeating China to accept the MacMahon line that has been proven to be a forgery (One copy of the original Simla treaty survives in the Oxford University substantiate China’s claim) to carve out a part of Tibet to British India.

    Here is another good link illustrating who own what when and where in the South China Sea by somebody who actually knows what he is talking about:

    http://chasfreeman.net/diplomacy-on-the-rocks-china-and-other-claimants-in-the-south-china-sea/

    • Replies: @TT
  102. TT says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    “The U.S. is following finance
    capitalism. China is using
    Industrial Capitalism.”

    Very refreshing and interesting. May be beyond my clear comprehension, if you allow pls let me ask a few qns out of curiosity:

    1. Is Germany a hybrid of both since it has the world strongest industrial economy with a mix of financial capitalism?

    2. Is Financial Capitalism adopted by US & EU a parasitic mechanism that the top1% non productive suck off the bottom 99% labour, eventually no one is productive but all playing on financial tools which is bound to collapse like a Ponzi scheme?

    3. Japan is Industrial Capitalism, yet its falling gradually apart, now printing money more aggressive than US or EU. Is there something Japan is lacking that ascending China & Germany has?

    4. China is not just simply Industrial Capitalism in its miraculous ascend, but a unique blend of socialism guided by a few thousands years of civilisation wisdom that put country and nations wellbeing above personal?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  103. Da Wei says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey! Jacques sheete! I know you.
    I know you right about this.

  104. Yee says:

    interesting,

    “go look up a pic of each…….don’t whine and cry about liberals or blacks or whatever the fuck you “think” the reason is. This kid “knows” differently.”

    I find it pretty strange that when US money invest in China, it hurts the US and benefits China; but when Chinese money invest in other countries, it’s colonizing and enslave their people. Can we have a less shifting standard?

    Anyway, Capitalism means freedom of private capital and technology, you can’t at the same time support Capitalism and resent owner of capital do what they want with their private properties.

  105. DB Cooper says:
    @TT

    China has the economy of scale that no other country has.

    • Replies: @TT
  106. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    Agreed, they will out produced and out sell anyone. One China article told China no need any imperialism colonist friends, they have 1.4Bil friends among themselves.

    India has 1.3Bil pp registered(many unknown), Brazil, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, Vietnam,…all have over 100Mil pp, see how backward their embracedanyone Western demoncracy and capitalism have brought them?

    Its the good leadership with ultimate central power to execute national long term interest that count. Cuba Castro , China Deng XP, Xi Jinping, Singapore Lee Kuan Yew are few good example of benevolence “Dictator”. I think North Korea Kim family might be one, considering their impressive development under heavy sanctio

  107. Malla says:
    @TT

    That is because, the globalist elites have made a deal with the Indian oligarchs. At the same time the Indian government uses propaganda (straight out of U.S. WW2 propaganda handbooks given to them by the CIA) to spin things 180 degrees and always show China as the aggressor while the truth is that in 1962, it is our government which sent troops into Chinese territory. I am surprised about how everybody here bleats and brays about British imperialism but nobody gives out a squeak about how we conquered Sikkim. Similarly the Indian government keeps anti British feelings alive using propaganda via TV serials and movies & our history books are nothing but anti British propaganda but in those cases where the British Empire suits India such as the border with China/Tibet, the government of India wants the McMohan Line of the British Raj. Total hypocrisy. But recently as far as private news channels in India are concerned (controlled behind the scenes by our secret services) there is 24 hrs China bashing. It seems that the globalist elites are building us up for something. And most Indians being low IQ over confident thug idiots who love to talk big (but run away during time of action), they think a war will China will be a joke. Propaganda abound about how China fears India. Seriously, most of my countrymen are idiots being led by a cabal of cunning globalist elites and Indian deep state, I am sorry to say that. Also many Indians cannot stomach the rise of China and look at China with extreme jealousy.

    China in tension because of India’s growing power (in Hindi)

    Know why China is worried about Indo-US friendship

    Indo-Vietnam defense ties a worry for China (Hindi)

    The Chinese dragon scared and jealous of Indian air power (Hindi)

    Chinese dragon threatens peaceful great India but India gives fighting amswer to Dragon. (Hindi)

    24/7 propaganda about how cunning untrustworthy back stabbing Chinese Dragon is scared/ peeing in their pants/ jealous of Great Awesome peaceful India.

    • Replies: @TT
    , @Lin
    , @TT
    , @Daniel Chieh
  108. TT says:
    @Malla

    If everyone is like Malla looking straight into history, the world will be more peaceful.

    See how Germany atone its WW2 aggression vs Japan denial. Germans are today in harmony with world, but Japan is still locking horns with China & Korea, passing war crimes burden and dispute down to its future generations.

    Today’s India and China pp are not responsible for their previous generation created border issues or war history. Their leaders should have foresight to settle according to true historical facts so that the two most populated countries can coexist in prosperity and harmony as friendly neighbor again. 2.8Bil people is half of the world, how much they can achieve for their nations if to partner up.

    • Replies: @Malla
  109. Lin says:
    @Malla

    As Chinese myself, I actually have certain amount of sympathy for the hindus, browsing hinduwadi sites for entertainment aside. The hindus do need mental pain killer; most 3rd worlders, we Chinese included, have inferiorty complex to various degree when compared to developed countries, just the hindu case is particularly acute. Those bragging you listed actually are not the worst I’ve seen.
    ………………
    Off topic: Apparently the seasonal burning of crop ‘residues’(threshed crop stalks) is a major source of pollution in Bharat. Please pass this to india economists that those crop stalks actually are raw material to make paper pulp. Traditional Chinese toilet paper and paper for Chinese ink brush writing are made from such material. And it’s low tech and nothing new. Even if the Indians have different toilet habbit, making paper and cardboards from such material can help to solve pollution problem and create rural employment

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/world/asia/farmers-unchecked-crop-burning-fuels-indias-air-pollution.html

    • Replies: @Malla
  110. Da Wei says:
    @JohnT

    JohnT, sadly I think your entirely right. They have got it all: media; money; military. Additionally, they’ve got our politicians in their pocket, the police power, armored vehicles, FEMA camps and more. How to chase the rats out is something I don’t know. Now, my question for you is this: What would a Marxist revolution look like and what would it accomplish? Do you mean a radical change in the economic structure? Doing the Saudi thing and turning the bastards upside down to shake out the money? I see Marxism used a lot now, but it’s meaning is ambiguous to me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. Malla says:
    @JohnT

    I’d say a Marxist revolution in the good old USA is far more likely than us ousting the entrenched money players that are currently running the show.

    The money players support Marxism. The media owned by the money players promote leftism. For the money players, marxism is a tool to be used. Why do you think big corporations hire people from Universities full of leftard brain washing? Capitalism and Communims is to be mixed to create a corporate Communist world, i.e. taking the worst of both worlds, that is the long term plan. A mirror opposite to National Socialism which tried to combine the best of Free market system with Socialism.

  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Da Wei

    “Doing the saudi thing and turning the bastards upside down to shake out the money?”

    That thing was made in the USA. Previous Saudi schtick included a threat to dump US Treasuries if they were blamed for 9/11. Beyond the nonsense of was what literally implied – wandering off into an alternative currency won’t he tolerated.

  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If Aaron looks at Iran through the US media filter today, he’d concluded people rose up because of 1.) jobs 2.) things are getting more expensive 3.) CIA is doin’ it as usual

    If Aaron looks at social media, he should know he’s being worked on the same way social media works in Iran. So the same tools are always on the job, privacy is non-existant and it is a casual affair to bring out the worst (or the best) in people with these tools.

    So the lesson is to eat your po’boy sandwich -‘specially if Dad is buying. Put the coleslaw or fries right into the sandwich if it comes to that. Delicious.

    • Replies: @TT
  114. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    The way US abuse UN & International System, msm propaganda to browbeat China, smear and demonize China using blatant lies with military threat are actually counter productive to World peace and US long term interest.

    China ruling elites cannot afford to give up its core interest without risking their collapse and uprising. This will make the hawkish power emerge. Eventually China will be forced to go the Mao way, “Power emerge from the gun barrel”. Only brute force is the rule of jungle, and rapidly militarized itself like US. (unfortunately already happen now).

    When China cross a threshold, if it decided to follow US bad example to use brute force in settling issues, those countries like Vietnam, India, who refused to negotiate in cordial term now will find themselves hard pressed. Philippine President is smart guy knowing who butter his bread at the end. Uncle Sam is broke, only want to sow chaos & sell weapon everywhere.

    Sometimes i found myself like a paid China/Russia/North Korea troll…ha.. ha..but im not from any of these countries. Just dislike hypocrite imperialism colonists behavior.

  115. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Traditional Chinese toilet paper and paper for Chinese ink brush writing are made from such material. And it’s low tech and nothing new. Even if the Indians have different toilet habbit, making paper and cardboards from such material can help to solve pollution problem and create rural employment

    Great Idea, thanks. Gives me an idea for a new industry here.

    • Replies: @Lin
  116. Malla says:
    @TT

    Their leaders should have foresight to settle according to true historical facts so that the two most populated countries can coexist in prosperity and harmony as friendly neighbor again.

    Unfortunately I doubt our leaders are going to change soon. I am not happy about India going into the American camp. The U.S. government cannot always be trusted. This is not directed against the American people, who are very good. But the U.S. government is run by globalist bankers behind the scenes.

  117. ZZZatwork says:

    This is fake news. According to Thai police, it cannot be confirmed whether tour member yanked the elephant’s tail or otherwise provoked the animal. It is likely that the elephant’s trainer mishandled the animal. The one trampled to death was the group’s 35 year old Chinese tour guide from Chongqing; he was trying to save one of the members of the tour group he was in charge of.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  118. Lin says:
    @Malla

    The Chinese word is 草纸 which literally means straw or grass paper. Usually brown to light brown in color. Doesn’t require modern bleaching chemicals.

    https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E8%8D%89%E7%BA%B8/1914256?fr=aladdin

    To produce 1000 kg of such straw paper,one needs 1000 kg of straw, 200 kg of firewood(I think could be substituted by burning 200 kg of straw in a better oven), 150 kg of ‘ash’.

    http://nh.cnnb.com.cn/system/2014/07/07/010995871.shtml

    Had been around for centuries. Simple rural tools suffice

    • Replies: @Malla
  119. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Thanks for the info

  120. @Astuteobservor II

    China actually does have significant immigration, much of it illegal and thus isn’t documented anywhere. Its a law of nature that as living conditions increase, people will find ways into your country so they can make a higher wage.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Astuteobservor II
  121. @Escher

    They are. Even independent polls have found that most of the population prefers the current government than the slave-theocracy.

  122. @TT

    The Chinese debt is an issue, but fundamentally isn’t as destructive as some analysts make it out to be. As noted – its all internal and at worst, will cause a reorganization of the SEOs as they are the most guilty of this. But as several economists noted, its been ultimately all to build actual structures and goods, so even if the SEOs cease to be tomorrow and the debts can’t be paid back, you still have a lot of houses, roads and other infrastructure that does work and serves people. The usual accusation of “ghost cities” is a bit hollow as most of the ghost cities have become inhabited since.

    • Replies: @TT
  123. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Hey DC, I have read and heard some things that lead me to believe that “internal” migrants have a tough time with regard to governmental regulations and policies. Do you know anything about that?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  124. @iffen

    Sorta. Rural hukou is tough on the migrants – it means that they can’t get the usual social services as those with the “urban” license, so they either need to give up their “rural” license which allows them land rights or pay for temporary urban license which needs to be renewed monthly.

    I think the goal is to eventually remove the distinction, but at the moment, the education system(among others) wouldn’t survive the influx of students from the countryside.

  125. Linh, notwithstanding the evident gut-reaction dislike of former colonial masters such as the Chinese, I understand from a Vietnamese friend of mine that the government nonetheless made some attempts to mimic the Chinese government, though in the style of a cargo cult. For example, a gaokao-like system was implemented, but was largely useless due to the amount of cheating and Vietnam ultimately has not been able to build a professional middle bureaucracy which is really the key to how China accomplished much of what she does.

    Did you see any of this yourself?

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  126. @Daniel Chieh

    For example, a gaokao-like system was implemented, but was largely useless due to the amount of cheating and Vietnam ultimately has not been able to build a professional middle bureaucracy which is really the key to how China accomplished much of what she does.

    Are you sure? I assume you refer to a persistence of the old imperial system with its civil-service exams (solidly Confucian)?

    Is that still in place? Did Mao adopt it in some way? I don’t recall reading any research to that effect.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  127. @Steve Gittelson

    Yes, its how the Communist party gets a lot of its recruits. They “scout” by giving job offers to the top percentage of gaokao exam takers.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  128. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Chris Mallory learned in the comments section at voxday.blogspot.com to say,”you have to go back” to anyone whose ancestors aren’t British. Every time Chris Mallory posts this phrase, he gets to move two squares ahead on the “Hey fellas, I am not a gamma” game board. It’s offensive, but there’s no need to take it personally.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @IreneAthena
  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @IreneAthena

    Idiots gonna idiot.

  130. TT says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    That’ the point, in next global crisis when all collapse under unsustainable US advocated debts fueled model, countries like China(Russia too?) will stand with infrastructures & financial to leapfrog.

    Indeed China internal debt is huge, but consider the complexity of internal & external US led threats内忧外患 it needs to ride out at break neck speed, it has performed miraculously well with massive reserves & surplus. Soon it will achieve market mass to duplicate US dominant advantage. If petrol yuan work out, world order will reshuffle.

    US, EU, Japan, India, South America…all are under true serious debts & bubble. Irony, Western & Indian scholars are the most active advocate of China collapse theory to discourage FDI since 1990′s, while hyping India as next super power to counter China, that is impossible and fundamentally flaw.

    SEO- States Owned Enterprise? They are producing lot of junks to my irritation. China leadership is wise to systematically restructure without massive unemployment, as subsidizing SOEs is cheaper than massive unemployment social cost? US & EU(except Germany) allow capitalist to hollow out, others are sabotaged by IMF/World Bank into shocking austerity measures, they are now paying heavy social cost.

    Msm is hyping up China ghost city, but its population growth can easily fill them up, unlike Spain. Its a dream for increasing homeless Americans? Japan is the one facing real empty city problem as declining & aging population bite with no end.

  131. TT says:
    @Anonymous

    This website has interesting insight about recent Iran uprising. Read the comments too if you want to see how instigator is justifying for their protest.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/01/iran-protests-decrease-riots-increase-us-prepares-for-the-next-phase.html#more

  132. TT says:
    @Malla

    Actually from what i read and know from many China friends, China has much similar boasting & derogating news about India. The different is they are generated mostly from gossiping people for fun, while China government is quite pragmatic. India is initiated from government top down to media hysteria hyping anti China which is rather dangerous in instilling enmityfun among uninformed Indians.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  133. @Malla

    It does become a problem when the leaders believe their propaganda. There is some evidence of improvement, though, as the government in bringing in more experienced individuals who at least speak mandarin.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/old-china-hand-guide-indias-global-path/

  134. @TT

    As Lin mentioned, a lot of it is a compensatory mental escape from their situation. Expect to see more of it in the US too as things get worse. Interesting times ahead.

  135. @Daniel Chieh

    Yes, its how the Communist party gets a lot of its recruits. They “scout” by giving job offers to the top percentage of gaokao exam takers.

    Now, wait a minute. I referred to the old imperial examination system, which I believe was discontinued in 1905? Top rank was “jinshi”? Are you saying that persists to this day? Or, is this “gaokao” a replacement of sorts? I plead utter ignorance. Perhaps I should research this first, as is my, er, contemporaneously forumical duty.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  136. @Steve Gittelson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Higher_Education_Entrance_Examination

    Gaokao is a replacement of sorts, basically. Although it isn’t as much the case these days as in the past, it still is an exam that can determine your life: the universities you go to, the likelihood of being an officer if you join the military, the odds of being recruited into the government, and the like.

  137. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @IreneAthena

    I have to add that not everyone who comments at vox day takes immigration reform to the extreme that Chris Mallory did above, and neither does their host.

  138. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Chris Mallory

    Chris Mallory recently told John Derbyshire he had to go back, too — “England or China your choice.” It seems that Chris—apparently a wannabe director of Human Resources at Unz Review—has developed boilerplate for pink slips.

    • Replies: @TT
  139. epebble says:

    Interesting to see China is creating its own H1B to attract smart people:

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/04/c_136872071.htm

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  140. @grapesoda

    why do i feel you are a smallbrain british american he he he .

  141. @epebble

    Yes, and this will also potentially have the same issues as in the US:

    “Why hire foreigners to do the job of citizens?”

    “Why decrease the wages of native workers?”

    And so on. The BAT companies are major influences in government policy as well. The major differences are there is usually a long-term plan so its harder to argue that its just for the next quarterly earnings, when its something like, “We need experts to get us to high quality by 2020, as per the plan and for that we need talent everywhere. Try and be willing to sacrifice personally for the country, won’t you?”

  142. @n230099

    i was 19 and told him not to go.but he really was a john wayne quoting true believer back then.and his father was at pearl harbor.so he like a lot of guys bought into it.while i was at all the anti-war marches..when he came back ,he joined the anti-war movement..it was the 60s.hillery worked for goldwater.in 64.i worked for LBJ.and in 68 for gene mccarthy,and bobby kennedy..in those days people were all over the political landscape…still are.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  143. another good job linh.

  144. @ZZZatwork

    you need to hit the reply button below the comment you are replying to, or it will appear like a weird comment out of no where :)

  145. @Daniel Chieh

    nothing can stop illegal immigration, no way to enforced it in a country the size of usa or china, costs too much. but there wouldn’t be any legal immigration for sure right? maybe 1000 per year for the super special cases like derb suggested in another article. I can’t even wrap my ahead around a usa with 1.4 bilion pop.

  146. @bluedog

    Baloney….l have paid taxes out the ass on my meager small business- no president or any politician has shown anything but contempt and disdain for this tax paying serf over the last 40 years.
    Along comes Trump and in ONE year increases my standard deduction by ONE HUNDRED PER CENT.

    All l can hear is the hand- wringing and ungrateful virtue signaling from the left.

    The sooner you stop paying to have propaganda pumped into your house; cease and desist from volunteering for lobotomies from joolywood; and reduce the tribute you pay the pirate scumbags in .gov- then inroads can be made pushing in some REAL revolutionaries…Trump was/is a very good stop- gap measure. He continues to expose the MSM for the shit- eating TRAITORS that they are.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  147. TT says:
    @denk

    Denk, its been 5days not seeing any of your interesting comments that always written in such superlative AngloSaxon native language to debunk FUKUSI propaganda.

    Regarding Sri Lanka, Wiki/CIA official 2012 Sunni Muslim is still 9.7% out of 22Mil. But my Sri Lankan friends are telling me about Muslim has already pop pass 50+%, and is majority now to rule the country.

    You know anything whether its true,and what’s happening after Prez Rajapradesh had been couped by FUKUSI? It means over 10Mil Muslim increase within 5yrs, that’s a Nuclear version of WMM.

  148. TT says:
    @IreneAthena

    I presume Chris is a judge, wonder if he also handout such pink slip judgement for his trial when involving new migrants? By boat or plane for offshore, by bus for Mexicans.

  149. Aw, I’ll leave ol’ Chris alone. We all get to talking too much on the net from time to time.

  150. bluedog says:
    @Stonehands

    My what a small deduction you must of had and just WHO will in the end pay for those deductions, just WHO will pay the $1.75 trillion (according to David Stockman) that it adds to the debt, for down the road someone has to pay it, and it won’t be the 1% nor the corporations,so look in the mirror for your one of those that will pay for it…

  151. @Bill Jones

    morons and geniuses…both think the’re always right.

  152. freebird says:

    Silly nonsense that equates all of America with California, and the decaying Northeast. Best look at a map of the U.S. someday and realize there is a whole boatload of flyover country between the cess-pools on the west coast and east coast. In fly-over country we still stick to traditional values, borders language and culture. Small town rural America is still alive and thriving and mid-size cities like Kansas City, Omaha, Des-Moines, Cheyenne, Oklahoma City, Salt-Lake city and many others are doing just fine. All we have to do is keep the violent leftists out of our territory and we will keep doing just fine. As for us in the heartland we will take our land from St. Louis west to California which will be excluded and we take that any day over China.

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