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Scranton, 2015
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With their vast parking lots and chain stores, strip malls may appear generic, impersonal and characterless, but each harbors an intense web of social interactions, with an infinity of stories to tell, but to even state this is redundant, for there’s no man, woman, child or dog who isn’t, by his lonesome, asshole self, a thousand-page novel.

In Scranton recently, I was daily dragged by Chuck Orloski to the Dunkin’ Donuts on Washington Avenue. From its beauteous and ample plate glass window, I could espy the wondrous China Moon across the street, and Dollar Tree, Rite Aid, Brick Oven Pizzeria, Pro Nails and PNC Bank were all within rifle shot distance.

Chuck knew just about everybody in Dunkin’ Donuts but the guy sleeping in the corner, with his head on the table. He introduced me to Andy, Hoppie and Melissa. Behind the counter was Ashley.

Ashley’s husband, Brian, did a good deed two weeks ago. When the temperature dipped into the 20’s, Brian went to check on Jimmy, a homeless guy who always slept outside Weiss, the dead supermarket. It’s a spot the native Texan liked because it fully caught the morning sun. This morning, Jimmy’s teeth were chattering, and it sure didn’t look like he could survive the next several days, all forecast to be sub-freezing. With another Dunkin’ Donuts buddy, Brian took Jimmy to the West Side Hotel, two miles away, and gave him three nights, at $150 altogether. They also gave him a bag of donuts and breakfast sandwiches.

Ten days later, Brian was $50 short for his gas bill, however, so Chuck lent him $43, all he had in his wallet.

When Chuck moved into Lighthouse, a charity home run by a blind Carmelite nun, Hoppie gave his friend an 8-inch TV, for he was certain Andy Griffith, Columbo, X-File, Gunsmoke and the Philadephia Eagles could divert Chuck from always thinking about his many woes.

Sitting across from Hoppie, I could see that he was very pleasant, if a bit senile. Next to me was Melissa, an Iraqi refugee. Two of her kids were also at the table. Hearing about her difficulties, Hoppie would exclaim, “God bless you,” or, “I’ll pray for you.”

Turning to me suddenly, Hoppie blurted, “Welcome to America!”

Before leaving, Hoppie pleaded to Melissa, “And please, pray for me too, for I need your prayer.” Then he got up and did a lurching jig on the open floor, to the mild amusement of the cashiers. They had seen it. Encouraged by their grins, Hoppie kept dancing for a bit too long.

Melissa has been in the US for 2 years and 7 months. With no husband here, she must manage six children, aged 18, 16, 14, 11, 8 and 5. Her 16-year-old daughter, Melina, wants to be cheerleader, but that’s not going to happen, Melissa said.

It’s her 14-year-old daughter, however, who’s giving Melissa the most trouble. Mina has discovered sex and at least marijuana. “She likes black guys,” Melina told me. Mina would disappear for days, and once, drove Melissa’s car away and stranded her mother.

Yes, I know Melissa is not yet an American, but she will be one soon enough. Moreover, by wrecking her native country, America has caused Melissa to be here, so she is very much an American product.

On Melissa’s left arm was a heart tattoo with a dagger sticking out of it. Her eyebrows had also been tattooed on. Her head was uncovered.

I never sleep enough. Like, four hours, five hours. That’s it.

I work at Dunkin’ Donuts, from last year, October.

We have three thousand pound of dough. Sometimes three thousand pound. More! They pay me 11 an hour. I work hard, hard, hard.

You know the jelly? I fill that. Yesterday, I fill 62 baskets. Too much, 62, too much. My neck hurt all the time. Then, I take the sugar jelly. Yesterday, 68. You’re killing me, man.

If you work from 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, four hours, they give you 30 minutes. I take overtime, so nine hours, 30 minutes. And they don’t pay you, you know. Other companies pay you.

People who work five years, they give them 12.

I want to change this work. Horrible.

I work at TJ Max. Was bad. Because I work just two days. I have to watch my baby. Saturday and Sunday, because my kid home, I can’t work.

He in childcare. The bus pick him up every day, 7:50. I give my baby to the bus, then he come back 3:30.

Sometime, they told me, “You have to work at 4 O’clock.” I have to take my baby, then I have to go to the other school, for my daughters.

I never sleep. Never. I told you. I can’t sleep.

Sunday off, Monday working, Tuesday off. They don’t give me two days off. Fuck it. No problem. “Because we don’t have the people.” Of course, you don’t have the people, because everybody left. One day, everybody left. Too much. Good people quit.

Spanish people, they steal stuff. I just finish my work. I see beside the car, a bucket. They say, “Mommy, don’t touch it.” It’s heavy. I think about telling the manager. I afraid.

We have buckets of vanilla, chocolate. Expensive buckets. More than 30 dollar. Used to be nobody take this stuff. They take the glaze. They have friends with stores, so they sell it.

We have 24 people. American, Spanish, anybody. Just me, Araby.

In my country, the men work. The women watch the kids, the house.

In 2003, I live with my mom, and my dad, in Baghdad. When my mom die, when my brothers die, I be married, this time. So I live with my husband, in Kirkuk, then, terrible with that family, so I move back to Baghdad. I live in Baghdad nine years.

ORDER IT NOW

My father is a farmer. He grow vegetables, fruits, apples, lemons. One day, I stand with my father outside, and American trucks, four! come. We see my brothers come home from fishing. Two, three American soldiers jump from trucks, shoot, tat, tat, tat, tat! They kill my brothers, so we get their bodies, you know. We have a good life, but they break it.

Al Sadr, he die, but his son, his son maybe fight with the American. They shoot them. They just want to be, like, a hero, you know. They don’t care for the people. I say, “Man, what are you talking about?! The American have this one, guns, different. What are you talking about?! You have, ah, ah, Kalashnikov? What do you have? They know where are you. The American, they have everything. Why you kill your people, man? You know, when you make all this stuff, the people are killed. They’re destroyed. The people be die, like, for no reason.”

2014, I pay money for visa. Around 90,000 Iraqi. Six hundred dollar. Me, and my babies. Then I leave from Baghdad to Kirkuk. We stay on the bus for 44 hours.

Monday, we come to Turkey, and just sleep the night. I wake up with my children. We sleep in the hotel. It’s not hotel, like apartment? I wake up at 5:30 in the morning. Just take my children to United Nations. So, I just told them, “I want to get out of here, man. I want to get out, because I have the kids. My life is hard in Iraq. My life is difficult, too difficult. My kids, every day, I’m scared to death, you know. When my kids go to school, oh my God, every minute I hear boom! boom! My heart is like this, all the time, every morning. When they come home, I’m scared somebody come and kill them. My kids, you know?” So I just told them, “Please help me!”

They take my name. They take my children’s names. So, between there and there, I don’t have a house, I don’t have enough, so I go to my cousin. He was in Turkey. My husband’s uncle, before me he go there. So my cousin, he help me to find house. Five days, I stay with my cousin. I find a house. The Turkey people, they help me. Too much. They bring some stuff. I buy some stuff to my kids. I just stay in the house. My husband, he work. He send me money, to pay the rent.

My husband used to be coming with me, but he, “No, I can’t. I have to work here. La, la, la, la, la…” I told him, “No, you have something going. Why you don’t want to come with me? You lose me, man.”

No, I’m coming behind!”

I think he has another woman. Yeah. Exactly.

I stay in Turkey almost three years. After three years, he forget. When he forget, I’m looking for another husband.

I was, want to go to Estraly. You know Estraly? Yeah, Australia! There, they take care of the people. Here, I see different stuff. It’s hard. The work. One day, you’re not working, you can’t do anything. It’s hard.

Australia, they pay you for one year. You have to study, study in the school to learn. You have to, every day, go. If not going to school, they don’t give you your food. Smart. Then, every day, every night, they give you three times, food. It’s nice. Here, it’s difficult.

So, I was, want to go to there, Australia.

When they told me, “United States,” I told them, “Let me take time. Let me think it,” because my husband, he don’t want me to go to America, because, I don’t know, he has a friend. They told him, “The life in America is hard. The life in Australia or Germany, it’s nice.”

The people, they told me, “You’re lucky, girl! You’re lucky, girl! You’re fast! There are people who wait seven years! To get out Turkey.”

When I come here. The social service, they give me 5,000. They rent the house for me, six months. I do not find a job, five months.

They have ESL classes, but I don’t go there. Man, I don’t have time. I go one day a week, but I don’t like. I already know this stuff. One month, two month, three month in America, this stuff is easy.

I sing. I love to watch music. Everything, music. I love Limp Bizkit. I love Future. Adele. Ali-A. I listen all the time. All the time. Make me forget everything. The music give you… happy.

I don’t dance. Not too much. We don’t have the time to dance.

I watch American music when I, a child. I watch almost 80%, from all the movies, American. American. I love American music.

You know Saudi? Arabia Saudi? They have one channel for American movies. They translate the movies. I love Indiana Jones. Rocky. I love Fast and Furious. Paul Walker, he die. Jackie Chan, I love.

Look at this, man. Abu Dhabi. Police cars. Lamborghini. Uh huh. Exactly!

When we come to America, we stay a couple hours in New York, then they put me in the car, and we’re leaving to here. Social service, they connect with this people. Yeah, so they found the house. They bought the food. They already made everything for me and my children. Just open the door. Stay here.

Even the bed. The beds for the kids. They made food. They made everything, so we just open the door. Stay here.

They help me, a couple months, then bye!

The government gave me, I think, five thousand dollar, so they found, for me, bad house. The church, they found, for me, bad house. Bad, bad, bad house.

ORDER IT NOW

They pay the rent for six months, from my money. They pay for me the stuff, for the house, beds or something, the sofa. Stuff, from my money, so they told me, “Ah, we pay this, we pay this, we pay this, we pay this, we pay this!” They bring a receipt. I just look at it. Then they give me one thousand dollar.

They tell me, “This is what we have now, OK? You have to go to the bank. Open your, this one. Here’s a thousand. Maybe you’ll need it.”

It’s not enough to do anything. “Keep the money! Keep the money!” I tell them.

The people, they understand how they play. They bring bad stuff, and they take all my money, you know? Even the shampoo, they bring for me the cheaper one, you know, that blue one. Bad, bad, bad stuff, they bring my house. Why you spend this money, man? They steal it. Yeah!

If they’re just working for help the people, so how everybody, like, have a good car? Yeah, they steal the money from the people!

I don’t have a cousin here, nobody in America, so I’m, like, blind.

What the heck. If you wish, don’t buy for me nothing, the people will help me. When I live my house, after three days, the people bring for me stuff, you know. Jama, the mosque. The mosque send people. They bring for me everything, everything, so why don’t wait?

The social service, they know the system here. Why you steal my money already, before I come? I lose the money. My stuff is bad. The people help me, so I lose the money, you know.

The mosque. Saudi Araby, the people when they study here, in America, so they have a mosque. Some people, like, students, Maghreb, like, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Araby students. The people, they’re nice people. They help.

I go to the mosque three times, on the holidays.

So I have to bring something to my children. You know, they want something different. They tell me, “I can’t eat that food.” It’s difficult, because it was other culture, so my kids, “Oh mom, I can’t smell that. I can’t smell that food. I can’t.” I tell them, “You have to eat it. No choice. You have to eat it,” then one day, two days, they like it. They eat it.

My daughter, this week, she’s not coming home. Four days. Last week, I call the police. I lose the girl. You know, when I told the police, “My daughter, she’s not coming home, three days.” I told them, “I don’t know where she is.”

She smoke. Weed.

She beautiful, taller than me, beautiful girl.

Yo, man, she’s a smart girl. She smart. When I leave the house, she behind me, but she not coming.

My son, the big one, he told me, “Mom, I put Mina in the basement.” I say, “No, you don’t want trouble, baby. You get in trouble, for what?”

She not call me. I cut her phone, you know. I cut the line, last week. I told the police, “I cut her line, to stay home, but she never stay home.”

I’m just thinking, “If I cut the phone, she stay home. She can’t connect with anyone. She just stay home, and watch her homework,” but she outside for four days. She don’t ask about me. Before, she call me, “Mom, I miss you.” I told her, “You miss me. Come home.”

My son, he good boy. I say, “Your brother is your brother. He can’t take your blood. No. Even if he scare you, or something, it’s for a reason, right?”

The Arab people different from other people. Like, they accept the girl outside anyway, but she have to respect the house, respect the mama, respect the dad. That’s it.

I know what’s going on here. She stay with her friend. She take her around, around, around. They smoke weed. When she finish with that, she come back to the house.

The Jordan girl buy. My daughter just smoke. Sometime, my daughter stay with the Spanish girl.

I don’t know what she want, man. I don’t understand her. Everybody home. All my kids home. Why she always outside?

Sometime, she go to school. She come home after 12 O’clock. She don’t find nobody open the door. I give her the key. She lost it. She sleep outside.

I was working. She call me, “Mom, I make my nails. I have no money. I finish now. You have to come now, now! To give me money!”

Fast, I go outside, because they don’t give me half an hour or something. I give her the money. She tell me, “Take me home.” I have to go back to work fast.

When she talk to my son, she eat him like crazy, “No, don’t talk with me. You’re not my father! You’re not my mother! So why you talking with me? I call the police for you, OK? You touch me, I call the police.”

What he do? He stay in his room. He tell me, “Mom, I go to my room.” I tell him, “OK, baby, stay away from her. I don’t want to lose you together.”

He see his sister outside all the time. He think I give her everything, to be outside. No.

This week, my car almost break down. I need new work. I need to move, man.

Linh Dinh’s latest books are Postcards from the End of America (non-fiction) and A Mere Rica (poetry). He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. eah says:

    Yes, I know Melissa is not yet an American, but she will be one soon enough. Moreover, by wrecking her native country, America has caused Melissa to be here, so she is very much an American product.

    We’re all sorry about “wrecking” Iraq (how ‘unwrecked’ it was before is another matter), which in democratic America no one ever voted for — but “wrecking” America by bringing Melissa and her brood, not to mention millions of others like them from countries that ‘wrecked’ themselves without any help from America, is not something we’re really interested in — we didn’t vote for that either.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Anonymous
    , @Known Devil
  2. To hell with Melissa, and her kids. She is a product of a reckless progressive government, forced upon an unwilling American populace. I did not ask for war against her country. I do not ask for her burden here either. Take her, and your bigotry back to east Asia, Dinh, you despicable squatter, where you can live in brown utopia. Only there you can be free of the evils of whiteness, and Western Civilization. We, the horrible whites, who you choose to live amongst. I never chose to live amongst you or Melissa, but i guess I’m stuck with you.

  3. jim jones says:

    There is an Iraqi refugee staying near me in West London, people hate her because she flew into this country and got everything for free from Social Services. She has a house and car and sits around all day watching TV.

  4. Biff says:

    You should paraphrase her work just a little bit, but it was nice never the less.

  5. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Yes, I know Melissa is not yet an American, but she will be one soon enough. Moreover, by wrecking her native country, America has caused Melissa to be here, so she is very much an American product.”

    Sounds like she and the kids are fitting right in. Are the boys Eagles fans yet?

  6. neutral says:

    Let me say it straight, I don’t consider her an obscured American, she is an Arab that does not belong in America, made even worse by the fact that she has brought in so many Arab children.

    I can sympathize with that story of her 14 year daughter, but these supposed tear jerker stories simply don’t work anymore for me. White people are basically being ethnically cleansed in most white lands, whether these foreigners come as conquerers or with sob story refugees the end result is still the same, they are threat and feeling sorry for those that will replace you is the height of stupidity.

  7. The tragic circumstances of this woman’s life should have been told with far greater sensitivity and dignity. If there’s a point to this rant, I simply missed it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. AndrewR says:

    Negro-loving immigrants should be the highest deportation priority

    • Replies: @iffen
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Melissa has been in the US for 2 years and 7 months. With no husband here, she must manage six children, aged 18, 16, 14, 11, 8 and 5. Her 16-year-old daughter, Melina, wants to be cheerleader, but that’s not going to happen, Melissa said.

    It’s her 14-year-old daughter, however, who’s giving Melissa the most trouble. Mina has discovered sex and at least marijuana. “She likes black guys,” Melina told me. Mina would disappear for days, and once, drove Melissa’s car away and stranded her mother.

    Man, such a heart-warming story. I feel so enriched. This is exactly the type of breeders the US needs to multiply and vote.

    Yes, I know Melissa is not yet an American, but she will be one soon enough. Moreover, by wrecking her native country, America has caused Melissa to be here, so she is very much an American product.

    She’s a product of Israel. At this point in time Israel has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Israel is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. The white race is going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Israel to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and whites will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Israel will not survive.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Orwellian State
  10. This woman and her six children…..during the Bronze Age we would have killed her children and enslaved her. She would have been a sex slave and domestic servant to a powerful warrior, bearing his half-breed bastard children. In this way, she would have been assimilated–literally genetically assimilated.

    But we have left those clear-thinking days behind us so we are left to ponder what to do with her and ask ourselves what benefit she and her brood confers upon America.

    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @iffen
  11. wayfarer says:

    Brother Orloski,

    Here’s a bullet-proof plan for your pal Jimmy, the freezing homeless Texan.

    Back in the day, your American hobo could’ve hopped a freight train, and gotten the hell out of Scranton, come winter.

    But today, your American hobo just needs to panhandle $176, and he’s got himself a one-way Greyhound bus ticket, from Scranton PA to Miami FL.

    source: http://locations.greyhound.com/bus-routes/destination/scranton-pa/miami-fl#fare-search

    Along with an EBT card, which Jimmy no doubt qualifies for, were talking first-class cuisine for the first-class ride.

    Once in Miami, one can lease a taxi-cab. Instantly you’ve got yourself a job, spending money, drunk women, and a mobile beach house. Cops typically won’t cite a cabbie for sleeping in the back seat of their cab. I know this from experience.

    P.S. Maybe you and Linh ought to get a pair of bus tickets for Miami, too. No doubt there are plenty of colorful gonzo tales to write about down there, you know in “paradise.”

    – wayfarer’s world.

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RealAmerican

    It was designed to get you to post something. There are a few “she’s getting over easy” and “taking our stuff” sentiments already. No use romanticizing people’s wayward journies.

  13. What was wrong with staying in Turkey?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Paco Wové

    Good point. Her and her brood were safe there so they’re not legally “refugees” in the US. I’m surprised she didn’t implant herself and her offspring into the sweet, soft underbelly of Sweden’s welfare.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Old fogey
  15. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, this one sure hit home.

    How many of you angry commenters spoke against the invasion of Iraq circa 2002-2003? Voted (again) for President Cheney in 2004?

  16. aandrews says:
    @ThreeCranes

    You shouldn’t smoke crack and type.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  17. Cato says:

    Only about 1 out of 200 refugees manage to get resettled in rich countries, so she was definitely lucky. But it doesn’t look like it is turning out so well for her, and it doesn’t seem that she is particularly grateful. I know the Turks don’t really want Arab refugees, but it seems that she would have been much better off there–at least her 14 year old daughter would not be smoking weed and acting like a slut.

  18. @anonymous

    Many of us, I’m sure. Don’t pretend like voting for Kerry would have made the slightest difference.

    How many illiterate, unskilled, unassimilated parasites did you invite over for Thanksgiving? Or have living in your house? Neighborhood? City? Any within 100 miles? Diversity is a great thing when you only have to watch other people do it.

  19. Clyde says:

    Your worst and most unsympathetic person so far. If it was just her deranged self mooching off us I could almost let it go. But the USA allowing her to bring in five children to mooch is insane. What happened to her husband? Her story about her brothers that were killed by American soldiers may be true, maybe not, maybe they were combatants.

    • Replies: @Whoever
    , @Rev. Pete
  20. @Anonymous

    Anonymous,

    Regrettably, my fingertip tapped “agree.”

  21. @anonymous

    Many of us. Where was the Left on Kosovo or Libya? You don’t have to answer that.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  22. eah says:
    @eah

    Melissa is not yet an American

    And while she may one day be granted American citizenship, she’ll never be an American — any more than I would be Chinese were I to move to China and eventually obtain Chinese citizenship (if that’s even possible).

    • Replies: @Rev. Pete
  23. Many commenters posting here seem to be unaware that Iraq was the most prosperous state in the Middle East with no domestic turmoil until an illegal invasion based on a transparently blatant pack of lies laid waste its infrastructure and economy, leaving it a failed state and a hotbed of terrorism. Another great article from Linh Dinh, a travelling reporter who gives voice to those many Americans that are down on their luck.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    That illegal invasion based on a transparently blatant pack of lies was organised by the same (((people))) who are now destroying white countries with mass immigration. We didn’t deserve it, Tony, and we’re not going to meekly watch our own countries turn into failed states and hotbeds of terrorism.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  25. iffen says:
    @AndrewR

    Negro-loving immigrants should be the highest deportation priority

    If the immigrant is also a Negro will it be okay for them to love another Negro?

  26. peterike says:

    It’s her 14-year-old daughter, however, who’s giving Melissa the most trouble. Mina has discovered sex and at least marijuana. “She likes black guys,” Melina told me.

    Lol! Oh that’s just great! Any day now Mina will be popping out a little mochachino anchor baby, and the father will wipe his hands of the whole thing, as usual. And Mina will go on to be a life-long welfare parasite, probably pumping out a couple of more mocha babies from her mud-sharking lifestyle.

    God knows what will become of the rest of the children. But I know THIS much: none of them is going to find a cure for cancer. Or do anything else of much use.

    America is doomed.

    • Replies: @Rev. Pete
    , @Truth
  27. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    At this point in time Israel has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place.

    For those who don’t get the reference:

  28. iffen says:
    @ThreeCranes

    during the Bronze Age we would have killed her children and enslaved her

    How do you know that we would have been the killers and not the killed?

    • Replies: @Logan
  29. Whoever says: • Website
    @Clyde

    Her story about her brothers that were killed by American soldiers may be true, maybe not….

    And if it were true, her family would have received monetary compensation. See
    Monetary Payments for Civilian Harm in International and National Practice.
    Scroll down to page 13 for American policy:

    Afghanistan/Iraq: United States Solatia & Condolence Programs
    35 In September 2003, the highest level of Command in Iraq (Combined Joint Task Force -7 or CJTF- 7) authorized what it called “solatia-like” payments.
    36 In November 2005, condolence payments were approved for use in Afghanistan.
    37 Condolences are ex gratia payments and are considered a gesture of sympathy only, which are intended to ease civilian suffering, and are in no way meant as formal reparation, legal compensation, or an admission of fault or negligence.
    38 The main substantive difference between solatia and condolence payments is that solatia payments are funded by a unit’s Operations and Maintenance (O&M) fund, while condolence payments come from the Commanders Emergency Response Program (CERP) fund.
    39 CERP was established to help win the trust of the local people and promote civil infrastructures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    40 The program’s objective is: “to enable commanders to respond to urgent humanitarian relief and reconstruction requirements within their area of responsibility by carrying out programs that will immediately assist the indigenous population.”

    43 Condolence payments may include payments made to the surviving spouse or children of personnel who are killed as a result of US coalition or supporting military operations.
    Condolence payments are carried out according to the CERP Standard Operating Procedure. This also means repair for damaged property including homes and businesses that is not compensable under the Foreign Claims Act.

    • Replies: @Alden
  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    America might be unique, where else can you “speak out against an invasion” and then pretend voting is going to make a difference? I suppose if you believe it will, the invaders have you right where they want you, safely ensconsed in their vaporous antiwar parades.

    I don’t recall the New York Times or any of the McLeft distributing stuff like this in 2003:

    “My father is a farmer. He grow vegetables, fruits, apples, lemons. One day, I stand with my father outside, and American trucks, four! come. We see my brothers come home from fishing. Two, three American soldiers jump from trucks, shoot, tat, tat, tat, tat! They kill my brothers, so we get their bodies, you know. We have a good life, but they break it.”

  31. Rev. Pete says:
    @peterike

    And you know this because of your high IQ. I feel better already.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Rev. Pete says:
    @eah

    Or anymore than YOU would be an American.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  33. Rev. Pete says:
    @Clyde

    Right. Like combatants defending their home.

    • Replies: @Talha
  34. Rev. Pete says:

    The great thing about Linh Dinh is his untiring work into showing us the insights and lives of all types of people who are at the least, are down on their luck, and at the most in the same boat as the rest of us.

    Saddest of all is the many commenters here who don’t know who the real bad guys are that happen to own everything.

  35. @Rev. Pete

    Or anymore than YOU would be an American

    To be an American (or any other nationality) he/she/it would have to be human.

  36. eah says:

    Ouch! –talk about a stinging and substantive rebuke — “LOL”.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rev. Pete

    She’s a 14-year old from Iraq (87 average IQ) being allowed do disappear for days in her quest to smoke weed and “discover sex” with negroes. What do you think will happen? What’s your IQ?

  38. @TonyVodvarka

    Many or most people here realized Iraq was a prosperous state and opposed that intervention for one reason or another. Kerry never claimed unequivocally he would end any war or occupation if elected. He had in fact voted to authorize it. 2004 was another of those no-choice elections.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
    , @anonymous
  39. Melissa is right. America sucks. We actually expect people to work to support themselves here. Ridiculous.

    We need to help her and her 5 kids any which way we can.

    To get to Australia.

    Or Germany.

  40. Alden says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    You are right about the destruction of prosperous, reasonably peaceful Iraq before Israel ordered their American government to send our troops in.

    Marching song of the Israeli army. Onward Christian Soldiers.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
    , @utu
  41. Pardon me.

    She and her 6 kids.

    Holy cow.

    We so do not need more Muslims here. All they do is reproduce, and blame everyone else for their poverty, like some other tribes we know.

  42. @Kerry Voted for Iraq Authorization

    Kerry, a skull and bones brother of Bush, was a straw man opponent of the Bush mob in 2004, as was Gore in 2000. Both elections were stolen without protest from either losing candidate. That war went straight ahead amid a veritable storm of media misinformation in spite of the millions of people, both in Europe and here, that hit the streets in protest.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Charlie
  43. @Anonymous

    She’s a product of Israel. At this point in time Israel has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place.

    Agree. Diversity will make Israel stronger, as it has all of the west.

  44. Michelle says:

    She’s doing the best she can under the circumstances. One thing about her, is that she did not give any advice about how we should conduct our business. Our country is seriously effed up, and our country seriously messed up her’s, but she skirts mentioning those facts. How would you all like it if Iraqis came here and shot your brothers to death? Hmmm?

    She’s in it now, for the long haul. I just hope that a few of her kids don’t disappoint her. I also hope that her son practices self restraint when it comes to his wayward sister. She’s a lost soul and it’s best to let her go.

  45. Alden says:
    @Whoever

    The fact that there is a compensation program doesn’t mean the family actually got any compensation
    Think about how long the civil tort claims drag on and on and how often a successful plaintiff ends up with nothing .

    As an adult sibling she probably wasn’t eligible. She wasn’t a spouse or dependent child.

    She works at Dunkin’ Donuts so she isn’t a total welfare parasite.

    • Replies: @Whoever
  46. She is not an American. Her kids are not American. They will never be Americans. Her great-great grandchildren will not be Americans. They should all go back to Iraq where they belong.

  47. @Alden

    Israel only wants peace; a piece of Syria, a piece of Lebanon and Palestine, piece by piece.

  48. Time to make the donuts Melissa.

  49. @anonymous

    The day I stopped listening to NPR was the day they came out in favor on the invasion of Iraq. This was during the ramping up period before the invasion took place. My wife and I had seen Scott Ritter’s movie and were convinced long before the invasion that there were no weapons of mass destruction. I’ve never listened since.

    NPR as a tool of the Anglo/Zionist establishment is more cynical than most because it masquerades behind a facade of radical liberalism that sucks in so many of the dim-witted, ill-informed, soft-hearted do gooders.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
  50. “Don’t pretend like voting for Kerry would have made the slightest difference. ” MikeMikedotMike

    We’ll never know will we? But mainly, the point Mike is missing is that the 2004 election was like a plebiscite: Do you approve of the Bush administration, Iraq, failure to investigate 9/11, Dubbya photographed with a yarmulke praying at the Wailing Wall, etc. etc. …. or not? You had several ways of registering your protest vote (including voting for Nader), as I recall, but the only one that had any chance of having any actual effect in our two-party system was voting for Kerry. So maybe it could have made a slight difference if Kerry had become President, or maybe not … but at least we the people would not be recorded as approving of the Bush Zio-administration, the PATRIOT Act, etc. etc.. But, as Mike demonstrates, a majority of the American Sheeple probably did support the Iraq War as of November 2004 — just not to the extent of fighting it themselves or risking their lives in it.

    But we the people eventually do get heard. As soon as we had a major-party candidate that at least talked sense, even if he has not acted in accordance with his campaign promises, that candidate — Trump — was elected. The way I see it is that we owe Trump (along with Sanders) for two accomplishments coming out of 2016: (1) he exposed the myth that the Clinton name had any support among the American people at all, and, (2) he exposed (when he flipped off JEB in the primary debates) the myth that the Bush family had any popular base in America at all.

  51. Linh Dinh,

    You have caught a lot of that old ‘Blame the Messenger’ flak in this comment stream, but one thing they can’t take away from you is your reputation as a gifted journalist and writer. In particular, your lead paragraph is a gem-like classic that stands out in the context of American literature.

  52. Tony says:

    Another bleeding heart article for muslims that shouldnt even be here anyway. Come off it already dinh. People here know the score.

  53. Issac says:

    “10 more short stories that will make you say: fuck borders and shit…”

  54. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kerry Voted for Iraq Authorization

    Yet you chose Cheney, didn’t you?*

    ————

    *The assumption among some of the commenters that I voted for Mr. Kerry is revealing. In fact, I haven’t voted D or R for President since 1976, and in 2016 didn’t vote at all. Unless someone like Ron Paul emerges, I expect never to vote again.

  55. @aandrews

    My observation was just an acknowledgement of the facts on the ground. This woman is a war widow, alone with her kids. No man wants to step in and take on the responsibility of being her husband, of being a Cuck. That’s just the way of men.

    How about you? Will you do it? Marry her? Adopt her children? Put your money where your mouth is?

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @The Alarmist
  56. utu says:
    @Alden

    You are right about the destruction of prosperous, reasonably peaceful Iraq before Israel ordered their American government to send our troops in.

    Being prosperous and relatively secular state was the chief reason why Iraq was destroyed. It was not oil or trading in euros. Israel does not wish to have secular states in the ME. Endless chaos, sectarian fighting, terrorism is what Israel wants.

    • Agree: Truth
  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    In the sense that common people could live a stable life that conformed to their expectations, Iraq was completely unwrecked before the invasion. Same with Libya and Syria.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    The exact same situation arose in the UK and Tony Blair got a re-elected shortly after invading Iraq on the patently false WMD pretext.

    It’s sad to say, but the majority of the voters do indeed support invite the world / invade the world. Fuck them.

  59. Whoever says: • Website
    @Alden

    The fact that there is a compensation program doesn’t mean the family actually got any compensation

    Perhaps. But as a matter of policy, prompt payment is always made and the benefit of the doubt is given to the claimant. There are many, many verified accounts of Afghans (not familiar with Iraq) who would do things like force adult females (asserted to be wives) or children to walk in minefields (invariably left over from the Soviet invasion) until they were maimed by an explosion, then claim compensation from the nearest American/ISAF unit and got it without delay.
    I know nothing of the incident Linh Dinh relates other than what he chose to write. My reaction was to the implication, if not overt insinuation, that American forces operated without strict RoE and without any protocol to compensate innocent, or purportedly innocent, bystanders. This is not true.

    As an adult sibling she probably wasn’t eligible. She wasn’t a spouse or dependent child.

    Solatium payment would have been made according to local custom. As a female in that culture ….

    She works at Dunkin’ Donuts so she isn’t a total welfare parasite.

    I expressed no opinion on that. Her personal life is none of my business. May God bless her and keep her.

    From the Operational Law Handbook*:
    *“The Handbook is made for the Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Coast Guardsmen of the military Judge Advocate General’s Corps, who serve alongside their clients in the operational context.”

    • Replies: @FB
    , @anonymous
  60. wayfarer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Agree.

    When those self-serving engineers of the “Global War on Terrorism” eventually report for their life reviews, they’re going to experience some “shock and awe,” according to a conscious universe.

    Karma, she’s a real bitch.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  61. FB says:
    @Whoever

    Who is this jagoff quoting some crapola from some worthless US military piece of paper…?

    What a doorknob…

    Here’s the reality doofus…

    ‘…in fiscal years 2011 through 2013, the military made 953 condolence payments totaling $2.7 million. $1.8 million of those were for deaths, and the average payment for a death was $3,426. Payments for injuries averaged $1,557…’

    https://theintercept.com/2015/02/27/payments-civilians-afghanistan/

    A lousy couple million bucks for two years worth of death and destruction…

    That’s probably a drop in the bucket just compared to the bill for keeping US fatass ‘soldiers’ in Krispy Creme donuts and McChickens…

    What a total retard…reading these comments you think you’ve landed in a trailer park in the middle of Shitzville…

    The trailer trash think they are ‘americans’ because they’re white…meanwhile squatting on land that belongs to Native Americans…

    They whoop and holler when the US goes and destroys one country after another…but when a few of those victims show up here…then they blame it on the ‘Jews’ who are supposedly pulling the puppet strings…

    What a bunch of monkeys…too bad they will never realize that the rich who own this country and own their miserable little lives lock stock and barrel don’t give a hoot about them and their trailer talk…including conman Dump…

  62. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Thank you. And those figures actually encompass three years.

    Now, perhaps Whoever will substantiate his assertion about the minefields.

  63. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whoever

    Paging Nurse Nayirah …..

    “There are many, many verified accounts of Afghans (not familiar with Iraq) who would do things like force adult females (asserted to be wives) or children to walk in minefields (invariably left over from the Soviet invasion) until they were maimed by an explosion, then claim compensation from the nearest American/ISAF unit and got it without delay.”

    Please provide some credible authority. I would want to read some of these many, many verified accounts for myself before making (or accepting) such an assertion.

  64. Yeah, I too am sorry we wrecked Iraq … we were promised we would merely topple Saddam and get out and let the Iraqis get busy being Iraqis, but Saint George the Pious got suckered into nation-building and the New Democracy Project. So after nearly 15 years, we’ve destroyed two nations by invading Iraq: Iraq and the US. And there is less and less democracy to be seen anywhere in the world. Way to go, George.

    I can’t let this pass unremarked:

    “Australia, they pay you for one year. You have to study, study in the school to learn. You have to, every day, go. If not going to school, they don’t give you your food. Smart. Then, every day, every night, they give you three times, food. It’s nice. Here, it’s difficult.

    So, I was, want to go to there, Australia.”

    I’d start a Patreon or GoFundMe for this lady and her kids to realise their dreams, but I’m afraid that dude in the White House and the Administration that is leading him around by the nose would do a deal that would result in her being shipped back to the US.

    It raises an interesting question though: How much does it take to make these people simply go home and stay there? Germany seems to think € 3,500 might do it. I think that’s low-ball; extrapolating the Heritage Foundation’s 2013 figure of the annual net cost of illegal aliens (as a proxy, and likely floor to the actual cost) to US Federal, State, and local governments over 40 years by using a multiplier of 25 (I’m allowing a very generous time-value-of-money in a ZIRP world, tempered by a higher mortality rate for socio-economic realities for these people even in a land of Magic Dirt®) to get an upper boundry of what we should be willing to offer … roughly $ 350k. Note that that doesn’t factor in the costs of externalities, like property damage or injuries or deaths caused to the local population over time, much less the lower wages they drive, so the business case to pay these people to go away is even stronger. Germany clearly hasn’t done its maths.

  65. @Anonymous

    “… we’re not going to meekly watch our own countries turn into failed states and hotbeds of terrorism.”

    Uh, yeah, you will.

  66. @ThreeCranes

    “This woman is a war widow ….”

    You need to re-read the article: She left her hubby behind because she suspected he was catting around on her.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  67. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Where was the Left on Kosovo or Libya?

    Give the Left a little credit – they were actively against Kosovo. Especially the types who read Chomsky and wear Che Guevara t-shirts. I remember them staging peace marches in Boston in ’98.

    Both Clinton and Bush were Neoliberals who believed in spreading the “benefits” of globalism, free markets and “democracy” to the rest of the world. They were neither traditional leftists nor true conservatives.

  68. @TonyVodvarka

    Iraq was the most prosperous state in the Middle East with no domestic turmoil until an illegal invasion based on a transparently blatant pack of lies laid waste its infrastructure and economy

    The Iraqi economy had already been badly damaged by the first Gulf War and subsequent sanctions. Whatever the morality of Hussein’s decision to invade Kuwait, it was strategic idiocy. If Hussein had had any love for his country, he would have resigned immediately after that blunder.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
  69. @Grandpa Charlie

    “We’ll never know will we? But mainly, the point Mike is missing is that the 2004 election was like a plebiscite:…”

    Obtuse is not an argument. Kerry’s strings would have been pulled by the same neo-con globalists that pulled Bush’s. If you’re some sort of party line guy who is dumb enough to believe that the Democratic party is the party of peace, look back the last 100 years and remind yourself what party involved us in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Clinton liked his airstrikes as much as the next guy. Pointing out that Kerry was a tool is not an endorsement of Bush, fool.

    And no the point isn’t whatever nonsense your just spouted. The point is Muslim and African aliens from the ME have been forced upon regular Americans who have no wish for further intervention in far off lands with no value, and we haven’t for a very long time, despite what Dimh thinks. “Melissa” and her litter of useless offspring have no business being the United States.

    And I was in Marine Corps from 98 -02, and was returning on a Westpac on 9/11/01. And speaking of putting one’s money where their mouth is, how many Muslim aliens to you currently share a roof with? How many are in your neighborhood? How many of them go to school with your grandkids? Diversity: it’s a great thing for other people, isn’t it?

    • Agree: eah
  70. @Anonymous

    Fuck tony Blair and fuck you too. Read my original comments. I don’t want these wars, and I don’t want the dregs here in the US that are a result of those wars. I certainly don’t want to be told that Melissa is a product of America when most Americans I know don’t want them here, by some other foreign finger wagger.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. @Peter Akuleyev

    PA, Kuwait was originally part of Iraq but was separated from it by British oil politics. Hussein spoke to US ambassador April Glaspie about his intention to restore it to Iraq and was told that it was no concern to her government, go ahead. He was deliberately sucked into that aggression to provide a casus belli to punish a country that had become too independent.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  72. Cranky says:

    I don’t think that she is going to be happy in America. We are not going to really put her into a place of safety and security. Her children are going to be fed into the maw of American poverty.

    The girl is lost, but she might come to her senses. Her story arc resembles that of the young girl in Traffic.

    Now, why do we import refugees into a country that is about to blow apart from our own problems?

    Cannon fodder for the next wars?

    Her sons can die for the American way.

    We will give her a nice flag for each of them.

  73. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder why these girls always want to experience sex with blacks but not experience sex with Vietnamese guys ? How come you never hear about girls running away to have romances with Viet guys like Linh Dinh. ??

  74. exudd1 says:
    @anonymous

    Excellent comment! Thanks.

  75. exudd1 says:
    @anonymous

    Excellent comment! Thanks.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You know, what really bothers me, as a middle-aged white guy who loves black d*ck, is how our government keeps bringing in these sorts of hot young exotic women.

    Like, how can I compete? How can I convince some hung young stud to nail me in the ass when he’s got this kind of young pussy? It’s really so unfair.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  77. @anon

    To be perfectly honest, I think Linh Dinh made this whole thing up.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  78. @anon

    I try and avoid engaging exceptionally abnormal “anonymous” commenters at all cost.

    However, the ignorant & evil insult (on display in # 73) surpassed my tolerance level.

    Having likely emerged as a “hold out” from exile inside a Qumran cave, anonymous stupidly asked, “… why these girls always want to experience sex with blacks?”

    Uh…, W.T.F.?

    Below is the satanic Madonna song and popular video, “Like a prayer” (1989) where sicko Madonna knelt beneath and gazed upward at a black fellow’s statuesque schlong.

    (Zigh) Like most decadent trends in American-Israel pop culture, Madonna’s “Like a prayer” had the primarily Jewish music industry’s financial encouragement and it was enhanced by “spiritual forces of wickedness on high.”

    Selah Ephesians 6: 10-17 and The Funny End to Senator Al Franken’s Servus.

  79. @Intelligent Dasein

    To be perfectly honest, I think Linh Dinh made this whole thing up.

    I think the case can be made that the “Intelligent” part of your screen name should be disallowed.

    On grounds of false advertising…

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @iffen
  80. RobinG says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    Exactly. Too many forget 1st Gulf War. Dumb.

    At the time, Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq. The UN had repeatedly ignored Iraq’s complaints. Glaspie was the agent that suckered Saddam into Kuwait.

    Was it State Dept. that orchestrated phony incubator babies false flag? Staging of US troops in KSA in 1991 was big factor in road to WTC bombings.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  81. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Not bad JR.

    I thought you were going to go with the reality is made up scheme.

  82. eah says:
    @FB

    The trailer trash think they are ‘americans’ because they’re white…meanwhile squatting on land that belongs to Native Americans…

    Speaking of Shitzville…actually Americans are white — it is white people, white Christian people, who built America — it belongs to them: “to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” — when the pilgrims landed there was no recognized nation state here — the land appeared and was largely empty — the dome of St Peter’s was completed in 1590, thirty years before the Mayflower arrived — I believe they can be forgiven for not thinking too much of either native Americans or their claim on the land.

    The rest of your sorry little screed is just as formulaic and forgettable; not worth taking exception to — I’d just like to point out that I don’t “whoop and holler” about anything, I leave that to women — certainly not about war, especially the misguided ones waged recently by the US.

  83. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Please tell us why, given all that, you took the time to vote to re-elect Bush/Cheney, as you appear to have acknowledged upthread. I honestly don’t understand that – a third party or abstention would seem to have better reflected your experience and insights.

  84. @FB

    meanwhile squatting on land that belongs to Native Americans

    Right, Native Americans, those of us descended from the British Protestants who founded the United States of America. If you are referring to the tribes of red savages who lived here, call them by their tribal name. They are Cherokee, Sioux, Comanche, or what ever heathen name they call themselves, not Americans.

  85. @RobinG

    “Glaspie was the agent that suckered Saddam into Kuwait.”

    Hey RobinG,

    As you know, the alpha point of “Fake News” was not presidential campaign, 2016.

    Never forget Saddam was CIA. The American-Israel Empire can flexibly transform a “Hitler” into a servant of the Cause.

    And although “Melissa” honestly emphasized her once having a “nice life” under his dictatorial rule, I suggest that no one harmed the Iraqi people more than Saddam Hussein.

    Question for me becomes, was he actually “suckered” by Glaspie?

    I am inclined to think that the perpetual US satellite-imagery technology should have alerted the G.H.W. Bush military that Saddam meant BUSINESS, and Iraq armed forces were on-the-march to reclaim turf from Kuwait’s ever Disco-partying & elite (horizontal) crude oil drillers.

    Fake News has a long ugly history. No doubt more is in-the-oily-pipes to fool us.

    Thank you very much for remembering the “turkey shoot” 1st Gulf War, RobinG! *

    * Pat Buchanan memorably described the coalition Desert Storm victory as a “turkey shoot.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Anonymous
  86. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Am I the only one who feels sorry for her? She’s not an intellectual but just some ordinary Iraqi who would still be in her country except for the war that was imposed upon her. It’s the little people who pay the price in these wars. She’s totally lost. Most people here on this blog were probably against these wars and millions protested against it but it did no good. The elites want war and that’s it, war it is, never mind what the majority think. The idea that we’ve got a democracy is just an illusion created by the same elites who feed it to us.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hi, Mr. Razor. Isn’t it against the rules to post as both “Anonymous” and “Jonathan Revusky”? And what’s happening with that revuskyrazor-dot-com project? The suspense is killing me.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Unfortunately, us feeling sorry for her doesn’t change the fact that she’s absolute demographic poison for the US. Last thing the country needs are Muslim breeders with chips on their shoulders and (almost certainly) low IQ. They, and their offspring are likely to become ghetto material who will behave, and vote, anti-white for eternity. Every single white person who supports her immigration is committing a form of assisted suicide (for their kids too).

    Also, I’m not sure she’s telling the truth. She could just as easily be a simple opportunist. Her country of origin is a failed state with non-existent records so there’s no easy way to verify anything. It doesn’t look good that she didn’t like Turkey after three years and now she doesn’t like the US… after three years so it’s time to try Australia. She’s obviously shopping for best welfare.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  89. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Can’t agree with your analysis, and Tony V. is the one who remembered Desert Storm. Give credit where it’s due.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  90. @RobinG

    RobinG,

    Speaking respectfully, mine is not an “analysis.”

    Please get my drift? ‘Cause I closely follow the perpetual US-Israeli crafted theater.

    Essentially, I don’t trust the people who brought the M.E. “Desert Shield / Storm” and aftermath intensified U.S. military presence; including bases, population killing-economic sanctions, no fly zone, and April, no, no, not Glaspie (!) but April’s Corporate Media advertising (2003) of “Shock & Awe.”

    But I do give the article’s Melissa “credit” and I hear out Tony V.

    No one is obligated to even listen to me, RobinG.

    However, by watching the Zio Theater closely, even a Geico caveman can see that they’re concocting (fomenting) dissent. For one example, look at how the Koch Brothers are financing the Veritas Project?

    Thanks a lot for your scepticism, RobinG! We are actually on the “same side” but I carry the weight of almost 50 years of engineered endarkenment.

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @iffen
  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The public generally won’t remember the first time the US lost to Iran. That was in the 1980s when Saddam was beaten.

    Now that America has lost to Iran again in Iraq after the latest jam, Melissa should rest assured that someone like Danny Sjursen murdered her brothers. This would help Americans too to realize that what appears to be resistance to war is itself a creation of those who wage wars.

    So the Iraq war was and is at once an information war waged on Americans, whether they know it or not.

    People like Sjursen won’t write (for the ongoing war) that the military will routinely shoot able bodied civilian males – but he’ll write propaganda in the Nation.

    ‘No one harmed the Iraqis more than the US.’ You could say this and be just as simplistic or imprecise as saying no one has harmed Iraqis more than Saddam. It is pretty clear how 1/5 of the population of Iraq was killed or displaced after 2003.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  92. @Anonymous

    Anonymous: “This would help Americans too to realize that what appears to be resistance to war is itself a creation of those who wage wars.”

    To whom it may concern,

    Americans experience deception to the crude & unnatural “Outer Limits.”

    P.S.: Very early this morning, on MeTV, I watched the weird show “The Outer Limits” which now seems commonplace.

    Thanks for such an inside view.

  93. Old fogey says:
    @Anonymous

    While in Turkey the mother-of-six was looking for a new man but could not find one.

    Perhaps she thought that American men would be easier to snare. It was interesting that she waited for five months and only started looking for employment at the moment that the welfare payments stopped. That tells you something,

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Truth
  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Old fogey

    It sure does. And the fact the she’s apparently cool with letting her 14-year-old daughter disappear for days to explore drugs, sex and nig-nogs. The woman is one step above a vegetable. The types of jobs she can do are already getting mass-replaced by robots so it’s welfare as far as the eye can see. It was very cringy when she complained that the US Social Services stole “her” money by buying her stuff and that they bought her a “cheaper” shampoo. WTF? And that line about everyone else diving a nice car… ugh.

    Linh Dinh is trolling us. We’re supposed to feel sorry for them but they’re an obvious future Jerry Springer Show material which is much less amusing than it sounds. As luck would have it, Iraq announced a few days ago that they’ve officially defeated ISIS. He should give her a call. No more “boom-boom”. Time to go home.

  95. Swan Knight says: • Website

    Firstly, watching the Philadelphia Eagles only brings clountless sorrow and woe. Lihn Dihn and his prolixed argumentum ad miseracordian misses the point. Maybe his favorite refugee is hard working and even more miserable in the USA than the country that the Neoconservative US government invaded based on lies and whether the US public wanted it or not. The issue is the second generation of refugees. What kind of citizens will the illegitimate progeny that her slut daughter will produce with Black ghetto gang bangers be?

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Last thing the country needs are Muslim breeders with chips on their shoulders and (almost certainly) low IQ.

    You know, I’m really thankful that they came up with this IQ pseudo-science bullshit. Back in the old days, we’d just say somebody was a dirty nigger or whatever, but to tell the truth, all that was kinda low class.

    Besides, you had to keep all your derogatory terminology straight — niggers, spics, gooks, wops…. That was a lot of mental effort. Now we can just say “low IQ” and besides, it sounds so objective and scientific.

    To tell the truth, I’m not sure my own IQ is terribly high. But I do suck a mean dick!

  97. @Anonymous

    Hi, Mr. Razor. Isn’t it against the rules to post as both “Anonymous” and “Jonathan Revusky”?

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. What rules? This place is a free-for-all. If there were any rules, sensible ones anyway, you and all the other anonymous trolls would be out of business.

    Oh, I see… you mean that other “Anonymous” isn’t you? Really? Well, I can see how having multiple people signing their comments as just “Anonymous” could be confusing. But you could avoid that by actually selecting a screen name and sticking to it, couldn’t you?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. @TonyVodvarka

    Kuwait was originally part of Iraq

    Both Kuwait and Iraq are artificial countries carved out of historical provinces of the Ottoman Empire. Iraq’s claims on Kuwait are no better (or worse I suppose) than it’s claims on Eastern Syria or Jordan. Or vice-versa. The House of Jordan has valid claims on all sorts of territory, including Mecca and Medina. Which is an important reason why everyone freaked out when Saddam tried to redraw boundaries. It was completely predictable.

    • Replies: @Logan
  99. PA, The point is that Hussein thought he had permission from the only power that could stop him.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Come on John, no one’s anonymous. Confusion brings the best outbursts. Besides, it’s good for the brain, I suspect, to be able to tell one anonymous from another. You’d be doing what took some effort to seamlessly automate in real time, all in your head. All we have left is our hand tools and those are at the mercy of the Oberherr.

    I’m left empty after Barcelona, I suspect other fans are ready to line up and get to postin’ too: You and Linh need to get together with Barrett for another off the cuff autopsy of the latest will-o’-the-wisp. You queens hook up (I wrote queens for anonymous’ benefit) and the entertainment is second to none.

  101. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Saying more fucks won’t make you any more relevant.

  102. Logan says:
    @iffen

    This idea is much like those who remember past lives. They’re always a queen or a knight, never a slave or serf.

    • Replies: @Anon
  103. @TonyVodvarka

    TonyV: “… The point is that Hussein thought he had permission from the only power that could stop him.”

    Tony:

    Given Saddam’s CIA background, experience, and documented ruthless rule, I can not accept your assertion on how he “thought” he had permission to do regime change in Kuwait. (Zigh) And with James Baker lurking behind curtain? No way.

    At any rate, I respect how you are thinking and I am hopeful for the prospect of RobinG’s return & adding more thought on this shady matter which G.W.H. Bush used to help America “get over Vietnam war timidity” and launch what eventually became the “War against Evil & The War for Western Civilization.”

    Thank you for talking, TV.

    Selah Charles Garner, Well I figured that’s what The Brass wanted us to do to Non-Combatant POWs.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
  104. Logan says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Ottoman rule over Kuwait was mostly theoretical at best. And the British imposed a protectorate about 40 years before Iraq was created after WWI. AFAIK Kuwait was never lumped in with or ruled from within what is now Iraq. Not in the last few centuries, anyway.

  105. Truth says:
    @Old fogey

    It was interesting that she waited for five months and only started looking for employment at the moment that the welfare payments stopped. That tells you something,

    With 6 school-age children, what is she supposed to do?

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    , @Anonymous
  106. Truth says:
    @peterike

    Lol! Oh that’s just great! Any day now Mina will be popping out a little mochachino anchor baby, and the father will wipe his hands of the whole thing, as usual.

    She’s a 14-year old from Iraq (87 average IQ) being allowed do disappear for days in her quest to smoke weed and “discover sex” with negroes.

    You know, what really bothers me, as a middle-aged white guy who loves black d*ck

    Having likely emerged as a “hold out” from exile inside a Qumran cave, anonymous stupidly asked, “… why these girls always want to experience sex with blacks?”

    And the fact the she’s apparently cool with letting her 14-year-old daughter disappear for days to explore drugs, sex and nig-nogs.

    What kind of citizens will the illegitimate progeny that her slut daughter will produce with Black ghetto gang bangers be?

    LMFAO!

    That was one line in the whole 2,000 word article.

    Linh knows how to subtly insert a (N)K-ultra mind control command to trigger you dumb jesters, just like he did last time with one line about a black man killing a white cop!

    …Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest warmest, most wonderful human being…

    • Replies: @Anon
  107. @ChuckOrloski

    CO, The talks between Hussein and Glaspie are documented. A similar situation occurred in the first half of 1950 when major figures of the post-war intelligence complex such as J.F. Dulles were going around East Asia proclaiming that it was no concern to the USA if the North of Korea reunited the country. They wanted a war on the peninsula that would lead to the destabilization of the Chinese revolution of the year before. See I.F. Stone’s, “A Hidden History of the Korean War” (1952). Cheers!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  108. @TonyVodvarka

    “CO, The talks between Hussein and Glaspie are documented.”

    TonyV,

    No doubt, are “documented”; re, your quote, above. Thanks for the reminder.

    However, linked (below) is Stephen Walt’s “thought” on the matter of the weird conversation involving April and Saddam.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/09/wikileaks-april-glaspie-and-saddam-hussein/

    Selah, nothing is more deceptive than an American-Israeli “fact” employed to start a war.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
  109. @ChuckOrloski

    CO, Thanks for forwarding that excellent article, very interesting.

  110. Old fogey says:
    @Truth

    Well, she’s working now so I expect some sort of part-time job could have been found earlier so that she would have a bit of cash put away before the plug was pulled on her govt hand-out.

    It is really shocking that the government welcomed her with an apartment, furniture, etc., etc. The rest of us are expected to provide for ourselves and for people like her. It is an impossible task for us to undertake. . .

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Concocting is right. Ken Burns referring to the Vietnam War: “A good deal of the problems we have today had their seeds planted in the divisions it would produce. ”

    We’d expect blatant revisionism. I’m assuming Burns is also on the job to create division, no irony that his production is funded in part by Koch.

    As for Vietnam, the remarkable change by the end of the 1970s was to go to war on what was previously consensus with little division. These changing perceptions were alarming, going from Gabriel Kolko to Harry G. Summers, Jr., Bruce Palmer, Jr., and Philip B. Davidson almost overnight – upsetting middle class liberals everywhere. Karnow’s thorough history over-focusing on “Ho’s communism” and at the same time Hollywood and the public schools were openly pushing that “we coulda’ brought divisions North and broken ‘em”.

    So, what of Melissa bobbing like a cork to get away from Iraq? Recall the Starlifter crash in operation baby lift (get the orphans out of Vietnam) in 1975 and how widely broadcast this tragedy was. Bombing Cambodia went better with Coca Cola but a crashed Starlifter brings ‘em to tears. Illegitimate children, or those abandoned by their mothers due to starvation – all the papers covered this. I don’t recall any where near the bother with all things Iraq to retroactively cover things with nobility, it was dark with torture – just buried with noise.

    Should we look back at Iraq now to cover over it in new flavors of “we meant well”? Might be the right time. Trump is in office so most of the public has concluded the pendulum has swung the other way.

  112. @Old fogey

    It is really shocking that the government welcomed her with an apartment, furniture, etc., etc. The rest of us are expected to provide for ourselves and…

    Yeah, I suppose you believe that if you were dropped in the middle of a foreign country, with a foreign culture, where you don’t know anybody, in which you don’t really speak the language, you would be self-sufficient right from day 1.

    If you do believe that, I guess it’s because you’re a senile old fool. Or maybe you don’t really believe that and are just talking malevolent shit.

    Regardless, I must say that the sorts of rat bastard scum who infest this site, in particular under Linh’s articles, are really out-doing themselves this time. I first thought it was maybe because this woman is an Arab, but then I remembered that you people have zero compassion for your fellow white Americans who are down on their luck.

    So it’s mostly just that you guys are a bunch of assholes.

  113. RobinG says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Best thing you’ve written, JR, and [hallelujah!] succinct.

    • Agree: Talha
  114. @Anonymous

    “It’s sad to say, but the majority of the voters do indeed support invite the world / invade the world.” — Anonymous to Grandpa

    Now in 2017 or in 2016? I don’t believe a majority still supported Zionist wars in the ME now or in 2016, and I’m not sure that the American people, or even the Bush administration, supported mass immigration of war refugees back in 2004. Remember? — 2004 was already in this post-PATRIOT Act (heavily thought-controlled) America, so there was very little coverage of immigration issues. E.g., the Bush administration did allow the ICE raid on the kosher packing plant in Iowa, but the publicity about it was shut down completely almost immediately, despite the related amphetamine lab … and that was in pre-election 2004.

    All I was saying is that back in 2004 the American people did indeed vote for Bush/Cheney and their votes were intended to support the war in Iraq. Americans were still laboring under the PATRIOT Act-enabled delusion that to protest the war would be a vote against the troops … and they wanted to “support the troops” by supporting the war. Remember all the yellow ribbons on the backs of cars? People were thinking that if we just hold on another year or so, the troops will all be coming home for the victory marches in NYC and San Francisco. Like John McCain, most people desperately wanted a victory and a celebration so they could forget that Vietnam had been a huge and embarrassing mistake. Also, many or most Americans wanted to kick ass on the peaceniks so that we could all go back to living the America-triumphant mythology of 1945.

  115. Okechukwu says:

    Linh is always scrapping the bottom of the barrel to make people look bad. I wonder when he’s going to apply that same standard to his fellow Vietnamese.

    The Iraqis I’ve gotten to know are nothing like this woman. In fact they are an upgrade over the average American. One thing about these people, and Middle Easterners generally, is that they have a serenity and equanimity that is hard to fathom. I have yet to witness one of them yell, curse or carry on even under the most trying circumstances. And they are hospitable, gracious and good natured to a fault. I suppose one could attribute their poise and grace to Islam were it not for the fact that the Christians exhibit the same attitudes and behaviors. Although the Christians are nevertheless culturally Islamic. So Islam is likely the one common denominator.

    Politically speaking, most Iraqi immigrants tend towards Republican wingnuttery. They are Neocons — the type that welcomed American invasion forces with open arms and later worked with Americans to try to turn Iraq into an oasis of “democracy and freedom” in the Middle East. Most of them would welcome the prospect of Iraq becoming the 51st state.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Anonymous
  116. @MikeatMikedotMike

    “If you’re some sort of party line guy who is dumb enough to believe that the Democratic party is the party of peace” — Mike

    I don’t think it’s fair to either of us for you to argue against what you apparently feel you have to suppose might be what I think or say or even how I live … so I’ll refer you to my comment #115.

    BTW: I resent your calling me a “fool” and for using me as a proxy for all kinds of opinions — not mine — expressed here in this cluster-f*ck of a comment stream. You make yourself look foolish.

  117. eah says:
    @Okechukwu

    And they are hospitable, gracious and good natured to a fault.

    Did you hear about the one in San Diego who murdered his wife and then tried to blame it on whitey by saying it was a hate crime?

    In fact they are an upgrade over the average American.

    Yeah I mean look at Iraq — swell country — imagine what it would be like without oil. Or maybe don’t.

    Both Iraqi-born men and women were much less likely to be in the civilian labor force than all foreign-born men (79.0 percent) and women (54.8 percent).

    Fuck off.

  118. @Jonathan Revusky

    “… you people have zero compassion for your fellow white Americans who are down on their luck.”

    Jon,

    I am white, “down on (my) life, and I confess to having a healthy percentage of compassion.

    However, I will share something I did last November and for doing so, I lost some compassion for myself.

    I admit to having voted for Trump as POT(Z)US.

    Linh Dinh told me point blank, “Chuck, you have blood on your hands.” Despite having decades of disdain for US theater-elections, I accepted his reasoned judgement without making excuses.

    But following is the reason why I voted for Trump.

    Starting January 2016, I regularly read Paul Craig Roberts weekly articles. Despite my knowledge that both Trump and Hillary were approved & certified by The Jewish Lobby, Mr. Roberts got into my head during his continual blasting of “Crooked Hillary” for her mindless desire to confront Putin & subsequently risk WW 3.

    Q. Would I be an “asshole” where I to blame PCR for casting a vote for President
    “Bonespur”?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But, but, did I really believe Trump could “Make America Great Again?”

    A. No way. Trump never explained when & how America was really “great.”
    What’s more, I knew America had to first individually HEAL and (ideally) move on to
    national repentance.

    So, Jon, I do have “blood on my hands.”

    But it’s not chickenshit-blood and I support both Melissa and Jimmy who brightly appear in this “Obscured American” article.

    Thanks for outing compassion with dignity.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @chris
  119. @TonyVodvarka

    “Kerry, a skull and bones brother of Bush, was a straw man opponent of the Bush mob in 2004, as was Gore in 2000. Both elections were stolen without protest from either losing candidate.” — TonyVodvarka

    Gore was never skull and bones. In 2005, he stood before Congress and practically begged for any senator or representative to join with him in protest of the election, specifically the Florida reports. But no one came forward, and that was what Gore needed to force a protest officially, according to the Constitution. In any event, Gore himself did protest to the farthest point that he could within the Constitution. Kerry did not, even though he had Libertarian and Green support respecting illegal and clearly false machine tallies in Ohio.

    As for 2004, I have only said that there would have been something to be gained — maybe not much, but something — by making sure that the record did not report that the American people were in support of the Iraq War … but of course they were. Also, I mentioned that there were other alternatives (Libertarian and Green) to voting for either Kerry or Bush … if anyone were interested in registering opposition to the Iraq War … and yet both TV and Mike have tried to make out that I was some kind of ignorant supporter of Kerry, which I never was.

    You may not like Al Gore, but it’s a false equivalence to say that Gore==Kerry.

    Why distort history? Why conflate it all? To make everything look worse even than it is?

    The facts have long been sufficient to indict the Bush mob …. and maybe to convict.

  120. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    engineered endarkenment.

    This would be a bad thing from any angle.

  121. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Who are you and what have you done with JR?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  122. @The Alarmist

    By golly, you’re right. Either way I have no sympathy for her or her children. I don’t want to support them and I don’t wish them well.

  123. Issac says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “I remembered that you people have zero compassion for your fellow white Americans who are down on their luck.”

    Not flooding their neighborhoods with Iraqis seems pretty compassionate to me.

  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    The point was that she only (barely) got off her ass when some of the gibs dried up. If you read the article carefully you’ll realise that she never worked a day in her life until this recent Dunkin’ Donuts gig – and she really doesn’t like it. In her own words: “In my country, the men work. The women watch the kids, the house”. It’s kinda’ scary that “watching the kids” apparently doesn’t include preventing her 14-year-old daughter from sliding into crack-whoredom. It’s also scary that she didn’t even try to educate herself and create some kind of career in all those years outside Iraq. Her time was spent on watching TV and listening to music. Unreal. Imagine what kind of example that sets for the young-uns.

    Meanwhile an average white woman in the US is working hard to provide the best she can for her 1-2 children. In time, he and her kids won’t stand a chance to keep their homeland because “Melissa” is clearly winning demographically. Darwin would be proud.

    Also, did anyone notice that “Melissa” accused both the whites and the “Spanish people” in the US of stealing? Well, at least she’s happy with Turks and Iraqis (but she doesn’t want to live among them, apparently).

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
    , @Anon
  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    an upgrade over the average American… they have a serenity and equanimity that is hard to fathom… I have yet to witness one of them yell, curse… hospitable, gracious and good natured to a fault… poise and grace…

    Hahaha, nice trolling. 8/10.

  126. @iffen

    Who are you and what have you done with JR?

    Projection is a classic psychological phenomenon. People invariably accuse others of that which they themselves are guilty of. I have speculated frequently that, with a lot of the more notorious hasbara shills on this site, there are different people behind the handle at different times. For example, that Sam Shama asshole sometimes (most of the time) is just some sort of juvenile, insolent, sneering jerk. Other times, the Sam Shama entity actually writes something that makes a little bit of sense, or at least, gives the impression that there is some person capable of some thought behind the handle.

    All that also applies to this “iffen” entity. Sometimes “iffen” is just this mindless, insolent jerk but other times actually seems to have some thoughtful things to say. It’s very hard to believe that this is always the same person behind the handle.

    I’m not 100% sure, of course, but maybe 80 or 90% sure that it’s not always the same person behind these various screen names. But then this “iffen” accuses me of being different people at different times, which is basically ridiculous. A bit of googling and such quickly shows that I’m a real person, simply using his real name.

    “Fascinating,” as Spock was wont to say…

    • Replies: @iffen
  127. @ChuckOrloski

    So, Jon, I do have “blood on my hands.”

    Blood on your hands? On account of voting for Trump as opposed to Hillary?

    Nah. The elections are a sham. There is no way to effect meaningful change voting for one of these people as opposed to another.

    You know, all these brain-dead idiots here, venting this venom towards this poor Iraqi woman, to tell the truth, I doubt that they would be malicious to her in person. Like, if she moved into their neighborhood, they probably wouldn’t treat her badly. (Not that I know for sure, but I don’t think so.) Maybe they’d even be neighborly and bring her some leftover pie once in a while or something.

    But whatever, you see these pathetic fools here, venting all this incoherent anger at this poor woman, rather than thinking the minimal amount and figuring out who they should really be angry at.

    So, it’s true that Trump managed to really appeal to all those idiots, who can’t think their way out of a paper bag. But, as for Linh saying you had blood on one’s hands for voting for Trump, well, I have no idea why he would say that. Linh says some pretty weird things sometimes, I’ve noticed recently. Voting for Trump or Clinton doesn’t make any difference. The system is rigged such that we’ll always just get more of the same whoever we vote in. What’s strange is that, I figured Linh, of all people, knows that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ChuckOrloski
  128. @eah

    Iraq was much better under Saddam. He never helped any Al Qaeda. He never wanted to invade America. Saudis help Al Qaeda. Saudis are Al Qaeda. And ISIS. And Turkey bought oil from ISIS. Israel treated injured ISIS. Yet Americans are taught to hate Saddam and Iran.

    God save America. From herself.

  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Linh says some pretty weird things sometimes, I’ve noticed recently.

    And another bridge goes up in flames. No wonder you’re alone. It was Linh who tried to run interference during your “Revusky’s Razor” cascading meltdown. Why have you forsaken him!!?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  130. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s kinda’ scary that “watching the kids” apparently doesn’t include preventing her 14-year-old daughter from sliding into crack-whoredom.

    I think having to make donuts is preventing her from being able to keep her daughter from sliding into crack-whoredom. Also helps to have family around in which you can rally the cousins to “visit” certain young men who want to ply her with weed and discourage them.

    But I get the frustration, this lady is obviously a living. breathing, welfare project until some man steps up and marries her. That people in a materialist society don’t feel like supporting her seems fairly par for the course – I mean even Americans who have lived their whole lives here sometimes have to leave to third world countries in their twilight years to be able to live decently.

    Darwin would be proud.

    Perhaps time to re-evaluate what track the average White female should take for selective fitness so Darwin could be proud of her too?

    Peace.

    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  131. @Jonathan Revusky

    “Blood on your hands? On account of voting for Trump as opposed to Hillary?”

    Jon,

    Citizens of all nations are inclined to have “blood on their hands.”

    Having respect for how Linh Dinh lives, thinks, and what he does for vocation including exposure of government evil, I listened intently to his opinion concerning my culpability.

    Having “blood on hands” however is subject to relativity.

    Please consider that the “blood” on my hands for having cast a vote for Trump can be considered a speck as compared to the oceanic-size blood upon Sheldon Adelson and the hydra-headed (US) Jewish Lobby.

    Finally, I also say “weird things,” for one example in this comment thread. Here I made remark that Saddam Hussein was a US-Israeli stooge and asserted that no Iraqi hurt Iraq more than him.

    What’s more, Jon, I do not believe Saddam was lynched.

    Peace be with you and thanks!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Talha
  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I think having to make donuts is preventing her from being able to keep her daughter from sliding into crack-whoredom

    Really? Donuts making is preventing her from saving her child?

    But I get the frustration, this lady is obviously a living. breathing, welfare project until some man steps up and marries her.

    Read the article again. She doesn’t want a man anymore – she wants Australia (or Germany) to pay her bills.

    what track the average White female should take for selective fitness so Darwin could be proud of her too?

    What do you think?

    • Replies: @Talha
  133. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    Really?

    Not donuts per se, but having to be out working when she lived her entire life living in an environment where she could be provided for to manage the kids and the house. The 16 year old seems to not be on the crack-whore track. On top of that, this 14 year old seems to have very serious issues and knows that the law is on her side. Do you think the law would be on her side to go around smoking weed and fornicating with young men in Iraq? She is even willing to steal Mom’s car and run away for days on end.

    Let’s say this is your 14 year old, you’re raising her along with 5 other kids – what do you do? Remember, you can’t lean on your tribe and grrrrls just wanna have fun!

    And please don’t make me laugh regarding how working White women can control their girls. My daughter goes to a mostly White/Jewish high school and tells me what goes on there. Do you really think White girls aren’t whoring and smoking pot? If so, I commend you for having a very good opinion – if not exactly realistic – opinion of your people.

    http://www.rooshv.com/the-documentary-hot-girls-wanted-shows-the-destructiveness-of-porn

    She doesn’t want a man anymore – she wants Australia (or Germany) to pay her bills.

    Of course – she comes from a place where a man provided for her and her kids for practically two decades. Would you want to work? Now she wants to be provided for without the worry of a man. Sounds nice to me – I’d like Australia and Germany to pay my bills too. Like now – and I don’t even live there. Hell, I’d like you to pay my bills – are you going to just because it makes me happy?

    Is the fool at fault or the person who wants to take advantage of him? Or both?

    What do you think?

    What’s the saying? Something like…

    Darwin is most often on the side of the larger battalion.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  134. @ChuckOrloski

    Talking with self, I return to write about democratic elections and one’s act of voting.

    Such can be done with either self interest (typically pocket book oriented), serious / conscientious thought, or that which Zionist-ideologue Rush Limbaugh describes as a “low information voter.”

    I did not want to lecture JR in a cheap verticle manner, but I suggest that if Americans who are cognitive of possibly helping elect an Usrael president to “win” and then wage unnecessary & bloody immoral war, the (total) voter population vote numbers would be even more so shrunk.

    Consequently, my conscience is at weak Oslo-peace with having cast a vote for Trump and having to live with blood stained (workingman) hands.

    Selah, Iraqis having voted with “Purple Fingers” while ZUSA choppers patrolled the Uhr sky.

  135. @ChuckOrloski

    To All interested,

    Taking off from comment # 136, and writing as a member of Veterans for Peace, please refer to the unorthodox Paul Craig Roberts’ (2016) plain spoken article, linked below? Self deluded to the max, & with no blame upon PCR, I want to reveal the major reason why I cast a vote for President “Bonespur.” *

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/06/how-the-oligarchy-has-prepared-the-groundwork-for-stealing-the-election/

    Full disclosure, in mind & heart, I knew elite & powerful Zionists never allow dumb goyim citizen-votes decide who will be POT(Z)US.

    Thank you.

    Selah, Jim Morrison, The Doors, “This is the end,” the end of America.

  136. Talha says:
    @Rev. Pete

    Exactly! We were the aggressors – they were defending their land. Saddam was telling the truth. That’s why they came up with a post-hoc, idiotic name like Operation Iraqi Freedom.

    Peace.

  137. Talha says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    This lady Melissa – is that her real name or is this a nickname or a pseudonym to hide her identity? Furthermore, she has daughters with strange names; Melina is not common among Muslims, Mina is. The only Arabs I know that have a penchant for Western names are Egyptians. And she has tattoos which are big no-nos (these aren’t the cultural kind that some Tuareg or Berber women get either). But she says she goes to the mosque – is this lady Muslim?

    If she is – please convey my “salaam” and some advice that I’ve come to understand over the four decades I’ve been on this earth; the key is “suhbah” it means companionship in Arabic. She needs to make sure her kids get in with a good crowd of kids or she will lose them. She obviously saw what happened to her 14 year old – now it’s time to do damage control on the others. The mosque is a good place to start, especially if they have some weekend programs and they will likely allow them to attend for free knowing the predicament.

    I don’t know if you are watching this, Mr. Dinh, but feel free to chime in.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @ChuckOrloski
  138. “Saddam was telling the truth.”

    Talha,

    Speaking with respect, little of Saddam’s legacy will be for “truthtelling.”

    Did he know that 19 Arabs were not the actual 9/11 perpetrators.

    Post-weird capture by American troops, he was quickly (intentionally?) lynched.

    I do not believe the dead man was “Madman” Saddam Hussein. Like “patsie,” Lee Harvey Oswald, the Zio demonized dead don’t undergo public grilling.

    Thank you.

    Selah, The MIA-voice of imprisoned KSM.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  139. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Darwin is most often on the side of the larger battalion.

    Nope. Most common die-offs occur when a species overextends itself because it can’t see the big picture.

    • Replies: @Talha
  140. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    As in all of my Obscured American pieces, everything is quoted directly from the person profiled, and nothing is added, and I certainly didn’t tag on a tattoo. She stated that she only went to the mosque for the holidays, so that’s what we know. For the purpose of work, she has adopted a Western first name, but the name used here is only an equivalent. As is clear from the interview, this lady is already in a very precarious position.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Talha
  141. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    Most common die-offs occur when a species overextends itself because it can’t see the big picture.

    Sure, but we are talking within the same species. There is a massive die-off happening before our very eyes. I don’t understand it (having kids seems to be one of the wonders and treats in life), but…here we are.

    Peace.

  142. @ChuckOrloski

    Did he know that 19 Arabs were not the actual 9/11 perpetrators.

    C’mon, Chuck. Of course Saddam knew that! He was the president of a country with its own intelligence agency and so forth. He would be briefed regularly and so on.

    I do not believe the dead man was “Madman” Saddam Hussein.

    I’ve heard this theory before, but I have no idea whether it is true.

  143. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Thanks Mr. Dinh,

    I figured, but I thought I’d ask.

    She stated that she only went to the mosque for the holidays, so that’s what we know.

    This is not a good place to be in when in a foreign country – at least from a Muslim perspective. I really hope also that her sons (having experienced what they did in Iraq) don’t gravitate towards any extremism online.

    this lady is already in a very precarious position.

    Absolutely agree – I hope she and her kids are able to make it through. Did she mention at any point what she would do if Iraq became stable? Did she mention that she would consider moving back?

    Peace.

  144. @ChuckOrloski

    and having to live with blood stained (workingman) hands.

    I suspect you’re a Roman Catholic looking for some original sin to feel guilty about.

    The fact remains that it doesn’t matter how you vote. The policies don’t really change as a result.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  145. @Talha

    “If she is – please convey my “salaam” and some advice that I’ve come to understand over the four decades I’ve been on this earth; the key is “suhbah” it means companionship in Arabic.”

    Dear Talha,

    I have suggested she look to local Islamic centers for help.

    I admire the “sunbah” concept and she always gets a “salaam” and encouragement from me.

    So goes for other Dunkin’ patrons, and last week I treated her and two family members to a tray of pizza and soft drinks at “Brick Oven” restaurant across the Scranton avenue.

    Salaam aleikum to you… and all present on this “thread” where some are connecting with the Helter Smelter (American-Israeli) liberation ordeal in Baghdad, April 2003.

    a-salaam aleikum!

    • Replies: @Talha
  146. Talha says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Suhbah is a concept anyone can grasp. Good company leads to good character and making better choices – bad company can turn the best of people into horrible ones.

    I treated her and two family members to a tray of pizza and soft drinks

    May God treat you to an even better banquet in the next life!

    Wa alikum assalaam and may God grant you a long life and plenty more donuts!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  147. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    But then this “iffen” accuses me of being different people at different times, which is basically ridiculous.

    Must of been one of the other iffens who made that accusation.

  148. @Jonathan Revusky

    “suspect you’re a Roman Catholic looking for some original sin to feel guilty about.”

    Jon,

    Your intelligent “suspicion” missed only by, let’s say, a 1/2 continent east and the fact that I am a life long Greek (Byzantine) Catholic. Liturgy was written by Saint John Chrysostom.

    Indeed though, the West & East traditions of self reflection and the call to repent and avoid sin are similar as far as I know.

    Too bad these great Christain traditions don’t preach about your other insight about “voting” for American presidents?

    Gracias, go easy, & never vote for a Judas Goat.

  149. @Anonymous

    And another bridge goes up in flames. No wonder you’re alone. It was Linh who tried to run interference during your “Revusky’s Razor” cascading meltdown. Why have you forsaken him!!?

    You know, I finally put my finger on what you remind me of. You remind me of an old Star Trek episode (from the orginal series, remember? James T. Kirk?) in which a malevolent entity enters the Enterprise that fosters tension and conflict between people and feeds off of it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708427/?ref_=ttep_ep7

    Anyway, what meltdown? That’s just me losing my patience with a bunch of total assholes. The whole thing is ridiculous. You have some theory of “free speech” in which you can just insult people anonymously and then you affect that you’re shocked when somebody just forthrightly tells you off. “Oh, it’s so terrible, you’re not treating people with proper respect, blah blah blah…”

    You know, as for Linh saying some strange things, the first time I talked to him about this kind of thing in person, back in April, Linh expressed the view that the reason that Ron Unz allows all this assholery on his site (the kind of stuff you see on this very page) is that Ron wants to “document the degradation of American society”. Or something like that. I considered Linh’s theory ridiculous but didn’t push on the whole question that much. Basically, I knew perfectly well that the reason that Ron Unz allows all this disgusting shit on his site is simply that he just somehow doesn’t get it, doesn’t know any better. He is like a gardener who has some novel theory of gardening where you never pull weeds.

    If it was up to me, I would just take all the egregious assholes on this page, including you, and dump the lot of you in a twit filter and that’s that. You see, there’s no real value to this kind of garbage. You can give your whole spiel about “free speech” and blah blah, but it’s just a bunch of shit and anybody with any common sense (i.e. NOT Ron Unz) knows that.

    In the real world, if your house is infested with rats, you can kill the little bastards in the most gruesome manner you want, even take pleasure in it, and nobody will hold it against you, tell you you’re a bad person blah blah.

    But here, you come up against this nonsense that you’re not treating the rats respectfully enough. If you say nasty things to the rats, the rats might stop liking you. Oy vey….

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  150. @Talha

    Blessings & goodwill right back at you, Talha!

    But no more prayer for more donuts, ok?

    My primary health care doc will protest such petition-prayer being answered by a divinity who has no concerns with bad cholesterol test results.

    Peace be with you.

    • LOL: Talha
  151. chris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks Chuck ! I appreciate your points, now and generally. And it’s great to hear see you appear as a “character” in this article.

    As far as the present discussion is concerned, we all have some “blood” on our hands for not doing more to stop the empire’s wars. We owe it to all the victims who can do nothing about the death we rain down on them. We all share moral culpability because we actually could put an end to it. At the very least, our efforts in this direction would give the other victims strength to know we actually care enough to at least offer a gesture of protest.

  152. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Are there any commenters on this site whom you believe are not “total assholes”? Now, even if there are very few, that’s not necessarily an indicator of your mental state, because the internet is not real life. But it’s still not a very useful way to spend your time online, because even if we are all jerks there must be more receptive people out there to whom you can be talking. I know what they say about unsolicited advice, though …

  153. Hey Chris,

    Here I figured this comment-thread was guzzling out and you show up with the following enlightened sentence: “We all share moral culpability.”

    Do not want to bore you away, but I will mention a point about Trump’s deliberate attempt to inflame the Islamic world with his announcement to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

    Below is a report on the Pope of Rome’s “concerned” reaction to Trump’s provocation.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/12/12/545410/Vatican-Pope-Francis-Trump-Jerusalem-alQuds-decision

    Due to my technology weakness, I can not link any article / video that would compare & contrast Pope Francis’s ho-hum reaction to that of Archbishop Ramzi R. Musallam, representing the Palestinian Orthodox Church of America.

    At any rate, I met with Ramzi the Saturday prior to Thanksgiving. Impressive passionate man.

    And this past Friday, Fox News interviewed the Archbishop & unfortunately, I can not access a “link” on the event. Also, I got a heads up that he was to meet with President Trump (12/8) on the volatile and cunningly stinky embassy move.

    Maybe Talha may find interesting the contrasting reaction of two influential leaders, one representing the Israeli-disposed Catholic west, and the other man (Occupied-Bethlehem born) Musallam who mourns for the Palestinian Orthodox east?

    Pope visits are welcome in D.C. but not in Moscow. Hm?

    Thank you, Chris, for patience and your dignified comment.

  154. @FB

    FB I like the cut of your jib.

    • Replies: @FB
  155. FB says:
    @Gary Smith

    Thanks Gary…appreciate the kind words…

    • LOL: eah
  156. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    The point was that she only (barely) got off her ass when some of the gibs dried up. If you read the article carefully you’ll realise that she never worked a day in her life until this recent Dunkin’ Donuts gig

    Bro., In the “developing” world. Women watch kids and men work, WHEN they can find employment. That is pretty much the way the world worked until The Great Depression.

    Rasing 6 children is quite difficult even if you have a husband with an upper middle class job. What skills can this woman have that are going to make her more that $10 an hour?

    As far as all that “oh we’re going to go broke giving all of thes people $1000″, let me tell you something;
    Please Wake up!

    You are a sap who is buying what they (the %.1) want you to believe.

    https://usawatchdog.com/21-trillion-missing-u-s-government-a-criminal-enterprise-catherine-austin-fitts/

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  157. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It seems unfortunately to be the case that she simply does not have the ability given the circumstances to bring up her children properly. In the old days in the Northeast there would have been institutions run by the Church which would have helped (like the way Babe Ruth was brought up). Religion might be a sticking point for her though. Is there any way the local mosque can do something similar?

  158. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Excellent points! And yes, Ms. Fitts is a great source for this info – I remember many years back how she pointed out that so much money of the banks goes into things like the drug trade. Not sure about the weapons trade but wouldn’t be surprised.

    Peace.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Please Wake up!

    It’s like you never read my post. The financial cost is completely irrelevant when compared to the low IQ demographic jihad. People like that will multiply until the US becomes an 85-90 IQ slum. And it’s not gonna be a smooth transformation. When the US whites become a minority in their own homeland (possibly before), the situation will become very precarious for them. Decades of anti-white indoctrination can’t be ignored.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  160. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You know, I finally put my finger on what you remind me of. You remind me of an old Star Trek episode (from the orginal series, remember? James T. Kirk?) in which a malevolent entity enters the Enterprise that fosters tension and conflict between people and feeds off of it.

    But that’s fun. I distinctly remember multiple people remarking that the “Revusky’s Razor” thread was entertaining. Why have a poetry recital only when you can have a poetry recital and a dancing bear?

  161. Well, I think it is all a lie.

    Melissa and her people trashed their country, now want to destroy ours.

    Is the author stupid or dishonest. Can’t people tell when they are being played?

  162. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Censorship? No one would do such a thing unless it opens up a liability. We can’t buy any of what you wrote although it sounds plausible. The service is isolated but completely open access and monitored. Counterintuitively ‘the assholes’ usually utilize self-censorship.

    Unz is for data, moreover the participation is designed to be emotional and immediate. See what you did?

    “If it was up to me, I would just take all the egregious assholes…” and pay them. I wouldn’t be an asshole about it and say $12 an hour is ok for Melissa, that’s degradation too.

  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    the low IQ demographic jihad.

    Let me also add that it’s not just about the low IQ of people like this.

    It’s their lack of drive and ambition. Let’s say they had dropped me, a high IQ white man, somewhere in the middle of Iraq a couple of years ago. What with my superior IQ, drive, and superlative fellatio skills, heck, I’d probably be president of the damned country by now! Or at least a city mayor. But this lazy woman, after two entire years, is still there working in a donut shop! In America, no less! The land of opportunity!

    Besides that, there’s her lack of gratitude. She is not at all grateful that we have liberated her and gifted her with a new life as a liberated woman in America, along with a fulfilling career in the Scranton, PA Dunkin’ Donuts. She is unhappy, complains about her lot, imagines that life could be better somewhere else, like in Australia or somewhere else.

    Can you imagine a white person behaving like that?

    • LOL: Talha, Truth
  164. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    A 14-year-old girl having sex seemingly more or less at random is a pretty big deal for her family and her future life. Glad you can laugh your ass off about it.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonymous
  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Human Rights Watch, foreign service silver butter knife in hand, spread thick stories of the plight of the homosexual in Iraq. Now, while the forest does contain trees, you don’t specifically play up emotions and discuss one tree unless you’re doing something sneaky, like backdoor war propaganda – coating the invaders with a more benevolent sheen of lubricant. What to do then – when surrounded by these dicks and assholes?

    Maybe we should say Melissa is gay and boost the chances she’s romanticized via the usual suspects’ media orifice which results in a GoFundMe campaign so she wins the lottery! per the American nightmare.

    Do better, make her resume more honest by faking it per industry standards: she could easily do a job that pays 150K per annum and feel ok about it. The problem is she isn’t covered with the right mood lighting but once betrothed to the scam, a good night’s sleep awaits.

  166. Truth says:
    @Anon

    I didn’t laugh my ass off about it, Peterike laughed out loud. He was the first post I quoted. No, I laughed my ass off over the general dog-whistle stupidity of the board.

    • Replies: @Anon
  167. @Anonymous

    Do you by any chance recall that this woman’s brothers were murdered by American forces?

  168. @daniel le mouche

    Good thinking, daniel le mouche.

    Lots of piling-on Melissa here, and I sense many (in general) have also forgotten the privatized “American forces” who we’re contracted to fight non-combatant Iraqis, namely Blackwater, Inc.

    Thank you!

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  169. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @daniel le mouche

    Do you by any chance recall that this woman’s brothers were murdered by American forces?

    Yeah, like I said, we liberated this poor woman from the patriarchal oppression of that retrograde Arab Islamic culture. Probably her brothers were always expecting her to wash their clothes and cook them some couscous. Now she is a liberated woman free to fulfill herself with a career at Dunkin’ Donuts in Scranton, PA.

    Sheesh, just look at everything we did for her and she doesn’t seem grateful at all! But what can you expect? These kinds of low-IQ Arabs have no concept of gratitude.

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  170. @daniel le mouche

    Daniel Le mouche,

    Regret being trigger-happy with tapping comment “post” tab, but below is Atlantic Monthly article on Blackwater… uh, “USA.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/blackwater-and-the-time-warp-of-the-iraq-war/390480/

    Thanks again for the memory.

  171. @Anonymous

    ‘Sheesh, just look at everything we did for her and she doesn’t seem grateful at all! But what can you expect? These kinds of low-IQ Arabs have no concept of gratitude.’

    From a very small sampling of your posts, you don’t strike me as one who should be bragging about his high IQ. By the way, Iraqis aren’t Arabs.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Anonymous
    , @Dcite
  172. RobinG says:
    @daniel le mouche

    Hey daniel,

    It was mean, sick and jarring, but you and Chuck might consider whether this is [very dark] SARCASM.

    • Agree: Talha
  173. @ChuckOrloski

    ‘Lots of piling-on Melissa here.’

    For sure, Chuck. I sometimes forget the shear volume of hate-filled comments these pages attract. She doesn’t strike me as one who merits anyone’s hatred, only their empathy–perhaps in a parallel universe, her story may have provoked serious introspection. You know, my God, what are we doing destroying these countries?, things of that nature. Nah, not in post-post this or that America, peopled with tv-watchers, football-watchers, talk show and news show and history channel watchers.
    Yes, I’m well aware of Blackwater, whose name then changed to Xi, and now to I can’t remember what. Wiping that ol’ memory slate clean, a tried and proven bidniss tactic.
    Thanks for all your thoughtful comments, Chuck, and especially for keeping your (and our) eye on the ball regarding the bigger picture of Satanic Geopolitics. Cheers!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anonymous
  174. @daniel le mouche

    Thanks for comment, daniel.

    Regret had I gotten didactic about Blackwater, but I did sense you remembered that particular satanic travesty.

  175. RobinG says:
    @daniel le mouche

    And here we have another problem. How can you be sure if the posts you sampled are the same “Anonymous” writer? There are certainly ample troglodytes trolling here, but most of them use pseudonyms.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @daniel le mouche

    Haha. It looks like you’re not appreciating Jonathan “Razor” Revusky’s sense of humour (or his homosexual fantasies). No worries, he’s not really a people person. In essence, he was trying to say that Melissa is not worse than useless and that US citizens deserve to be punished – by letting her stay and multiply.

  177. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Fair enough. I appreciate the clarification.

  178. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @daniel le mouche

    The bigger picture of Satanic Geopolitics is that Melissa is being used to destroy the US demographically by the same (((people))) who created ISIS and set them loose in her country.

    ISIS Apologized To Israel For Attacking IDF Soldiers

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

    The Silence of the Israelis on ISIS

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/05/the-silence-of-the-israelis-on-isis/

    Israel and the Origins of the Islamic State

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/08/israel-and-origins-of-islamic-state.html

    Fighting ‘Islamic State’ is Not the Israeli Priority

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/fighting-islamic-state-is-not-the-israeli-priority/#.VKQr8SusWSo

    Why Does ISIS only Fight Israel’s Enemies? And why do they have so much in Common?

    http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/why-does-isis-only-fight-israels-enemies-and-why-do-they-have-so-much-in-common/

    UN reveals Israeli Links with Syrian Rebels

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.630359

    UN reports Israeli Support for Syria Rebels
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2014/1207/UN-reports-Israeli-support-for-Syria-rebels
    IDF Medics seen Treating Syrian Rebels in New Video

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-medics-seen-treating-syrian-rebels-in-new-video/

    Syrian Rebels thank Netanyahu for Israel’s Compassion

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24453/Default.aspx

    Exclusive: Israel is Tending to Wounded Syrian Rebels

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/

    Moderate Syrian Rebels say they Protect Israeli Border

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/49618-141103-moderate-syrian-rebels-say-they-protect-israeli-border

    New UN Report reveals Collaboration between Israel and Syrian Rebels

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-UN-report-reveals-collaboration-between-Israel-and-Syrian-rebels-383926

    Israeli Analyst confirms Link between Israel, “Moderate” Syrian Rebels

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/22065

    Israeli DM: We’re aiding Syrian Rebels to keep Al-Qaeda away from Border

    http://news.antiwar.com/2014/10/15/israeli-dm-were-aiding-syrian-rebels-to-keep-al-qaeda-away-from-border/

    Revealed: How Syrian Rebels seek Medical help from an Unlikely Source in Israel

    http://www.thenational.ae/world/revealed-how-syrian-rebels-seek-medical-help-from-an-unlikely-source-in-israel#full

    Syrian General accuses Israel of Collaborating with ISIS, Al Qaeda-Linked Rebels

    http://www.ibtimes.com/syrian-general-accuses-israel-collaborating-isis-al-qaeda-linked-rebels-1740800

    Israel is Cautiously Arming Syria’s Rebels — and has a Fragile Unspoken Truce with an Al Qaeda Affiliate

    http://www.businessinsider.com/its-not-too-late-to-empower-the-moderate-rebels-of-syria-2014-10

  179. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I know a guy who went to teach English to an army class in a Third World country. Somehow at some point he mentioned to them that he had no living family. His students looked shocked. Eventually one said “We will be your family, sir” and everyone agreed.

    The point of this otherwise pointless anecdote is that she does have “family” here– the local Muslim community. (It is also very likely she has actual family elsewhere).

    • Replies: @Talha
  180. Talha says:
    @Anon

    she does have “family” here– the local Muslim community

    Yes, the shariah obligates that she has many rights over the Muslims in her locality; they should be supporting her. It helps though if she would be more of a part of the community and not just visit three times a year – just like you are closer to your cousin that visits you once in a while over the guy that met you once in your wedding.

    The shariah assumes no obligations from non-Muslims; she is fortunate (and should be grateful) that they are providing her with work and other needs of life.

    Peace.

  181. @RobinG

    How can you be sure if the posts you sampled are the same “Anonymous” writer?

    Cripes, another ridiculous conspiracy theory. It never stops.

    And it’s always the same. No real proof is ever offered of any of these conspiracy theories.

    I’m with Daniel. All the comments signed “Anonymous” were written by the same person unless you conspiracy theorists can provide hard proof to the contrary!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A 14-year-old girl having sex seemingly more or less at random is a pretty big deal for her family and her future life.

    Yeah, that’s a good point you make. She has such a head start over her mother in becoming a liberated Western woman. By comparison, her mother wasted half of her life in that retrograde Arab Islamic culture.

  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Finally! A picture of Melissa we can all work with.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m seeing a hourly wage between $8.14 to $9.01 an hour for Philly area Dunkin Donuts.

  185. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Logan

    I can actually think of “plausible” theories to explain this, not that I care, or am even sure of the datum.

  186. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thomas Friedman told US Soldiers to shove their guns into Iraqi faces and tell them to “suck on this”. Friedman probably went with Travis Bickle because more of the audience is familiar with the Catholic anti-hero. The perfect lob shot too for the Taibbis et al, who play the opposition or at times the anti-Catholic hero. Either way it’s war.

  187. @Jonathan Revusky

    Yeah, I suppose you believe that if you were dropped in the middle of a foreign country, with a foreign culture, where you don’t know anybody, in which you don’t really speak the language, you would be self-sufficient right from day 1.

    If you do believe that, I guess it’s because you’re a senile old fool. Or maybe you don’t really believe that and are just talking malevolent shit.

    Regardless, I must say that the sorts of rat bastard scum who infest this site, in particular under Linh’s articles, are really out-doing themselves this time. I first thought it was maybe because this woman is an Arab, but then I remembered that you people have zero compassion for your fellow white Americans who are down on their luck.

    So it’s mostly just that you guys are a bunch of assholes.

    Spot on assessment of the bitter, brainwashed and manipulated useful idiots who kick and punch down while rolling down their skivvies and leaning over their favorite barrel, winking their stinky starfishes at the criminal ziopaths who are flushing Murica and her people down the shitter.

    Who knew so many of these supersmart high IQ geniuses are closeted deviant masochists!

    You know what’s even funnier? How the high IQ Northern Euro-peon nations and their descendants in Murica and the NuW0rld are, according to the High IQ fanboys themselves, destroying their own countries and their peoples’ futures.

    Which begs the question: what good is a high IQ if those “blessed” by the IQ fairy are too dumb to realize they are destroying their lands and their people? I mean what REALLY makes the Übermensch Northern Superman superior to the Grunting Sub-Saharan IQ Reject?

    The inferior G2SIQR is busy mooching off the state, making bestselling (!) rap “music” records, stealth genociding whitey and fucking his finest horny blonde bitches who, for some strange reason, prefer submitting sexually to functionally illiterate savages who can barely tie their stolen $400 sneakers to hooking up with the best genes the undisputed most successful and smart alpha race ever has to offer!

    What is going on here?

    Me, I’m not too smart as all y’all 150 IQers can surely tell. So tell me smart guys…why are you smart folks so fucking stupid? You can’t have it both ways. According to YOUR OWN LOGIC the supposedly smartest people ever are destroying themselves while the savage morons who are almost as dumb as me (suposedly) are having a grand old time eating fried chicken, singing, dancing and having their way with your more than WILLING nubile young womenfolk! (And don’t forget the low IQ Muhammadeans out breeding you smart folk 10:1!) Is that why you all complain about them all the time on this board?

    One of you smart guys explain these contradictions to me please. (Please remember to type slowly so I can keep up! TIA)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @JackOH
    , @Truth
  188. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    Why so angry? If you think that Revusky is “spot on”, you’re good to go. There’s nothing more you can learn from this thread.

    Baby steps.

  189. JackOH says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    Provocative statements, Lincoln, and not off the mark, either. I think you can actually read an explanation for some of your observations by a few commenters here on Unz Review. Those commenters acknowledge that Black folks and other minority groups and grievance promoters undertook the “long march through the institutions” to achieve what they achieved.

    Likewise, I think you can read some acknowledgment, maybe especially in Steve Sailer’s posts and comments beneath them, that the more or less conventional bourgeois values most of us believe in are now minority values. The radical and destructive are and have been America’s new normal. Yep, it’s mostly some White folks, well-intended but deeply wrong-headed, what done it.

    FWIW-I’m reading the talk of HBD and IQ here as an effort for a lot of folks to regain their political footing a bit.

    Hope this offers some sort of reply.

    • Replies: @Talha
  190. Dcite says: • Website
    @daniel le mouche

    Iraqis are Arabs if anyone is. Iranians are not.

  191. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Can someone tell Melissa about social
    media? Saddam had cruder tech for the rabble, I’d hate to see Melissa’s kids caught up in Philly’s criminal justice industry.

  192. Truth says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    LOL, I must be sleepwalking again, I don’t remember writing this.

  193. Talha says:
    @JackOH

    Hey JackOH,

    I think LBS3 (what a user handle, eh?) has made some points that I have been asking people (but in a less incendiary way – :) ). The question arises; if intelligence is the silver bullet, why the systemic issues in the West? Sure people can blame it all on a Jewish elite or something like that, but that still doesn’t answer why intelligent people are then that gullible.

    Systemic issues are assumed in lower-IQ countries – that fits the narrative, but why in the super-smart ones? Hmmmm…

    Personally, I think Mr. Dutton presented it well in terms of evolutionary selectivity. Namely, one can potentially be too smart for their own good. That intelligence is not just an additive property on top of whatever else you have, rather the sum of all values must needs be balanced – meaning you are potentially exchanging intelligence for something else. What is that something else? In his estimation, it is the aggressiveness and instinctual aspects of the human being necessary for survival. Have a listen:

    So isolating intelligence as the benchmark for selectivity is as silly as using high-density muscle mass or height – they certainly each convey their own advantages, but what does one lose in the trade off?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  194. JackOH says:
    @Talha

    Talha, thanks. LBS3 does raise an interesting question(s), I guess, of the “If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?” type. That sort of in-your-face question is worth asking from time to time, and it’s worthwhile to try to answer those questions. Even if we don’t like the answers all that much.

    FWIW-I’ll note the obvious. Those laws and policy preferences I and other folks here think of as “radical and destructive” (my phrase) originated in good intentions and a very long-term “working” of our institutions, that is, our opinion leaders, and mass opinion. There are tons of psychological vesting in those laws and policies, even when the evidence tells strongly against those laws and policies.

    BTW-who is Mr. Dutton? I couldn’t find a reference at You Tube.

    • Replies: @Talha
  195. Talha says:
    @JackOH

    Hey JackOH,

    I totally agree that many of these programs started out with good intentions and have exceeded their original mandate. But then one asks the question; if one was intelligent and wanted to take a bath (a good intention) one would be expected to know to turn off the faucet after the tub was prepared, no? Leaving the tub on seems silly. Possibly unplugging a drain helps also.

    As for Mr. Dutton he is a professor and researcher on anthropology, with an interest in the field regarding religion and intelligence. He has done work with Prof Lynn, who gets cited here on UNZ often:

    https://edwarddutton.wordpress.com/about/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

    As you said, deeper introspection is due by practically all people on this planet regarding their own pathologies and systemic issues – ie forcing ourselves to look in the mirror.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  196. JackOH says:
    @Talha

    Talha, thanks for the info on Prof. Dutton.

    ” . . . [I]f one was intelligent and wanted to take a bath (a good intention) one would be expected to know to turn off the faucet after the tub was prepared, no? Leaving the tub on seems silly. Possibly unplugging a drain helps also.”

    Exactly. I think it’s very possible to think of a skilled person arguing against the policies we dislike on the basis of excessiveness of duration, excessiveness of scope, excessiveness of unintended consequences, and the like. No matter your real feelings, simply concede that Policy X was okay for its time, but that time has passed. If you want to take a bath, and you flood your house instead, you pretty much have to concede your bathtub-filling laws and policy are not good.

  197. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The possibility of revolt is better understood as a carefully considered opportunity to a ruling order. The 1920 Iraq “revolt” against the British was a victory for the British empire.

    Typically the best insight on what might come next for Americans is from the (cautious) testimony of a recent immigrant who has run for their life.

  198. Milliaman says:

    I like Mr. Dinh’s writing. I also like the person he seems to be.

    You on the other hand are a disgusting bigoted imbecile. Probably a product of 24/7 television and inbreeding no doubt. Pigs come in several colors. You are a white pig.

  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    New York Times, 2009:

    “But now that Iraqis are arriving in larger numbers, many are discovering that life in the United States is much harder than they expected.

    “A refugee resettlement organization in New York, said that many Iraqi immigrants have been unable to find jobs, are exhausting government and other benefits and are spiraling toward poverty and homelessness.”

    New York Times, 2002:

    “Finally, and most difficult to defend against, biological agents could be delivered against civilian targets by Iraqi agents.”

    “It is Iraq’s pursuit of nuclear weapons, however, that is at the top of the administration’s list of worries and forms a key part of its case for a military campaign to overthrow Mr. Hussein. In their effort to make their case, administration officials are even using Mr. Hussein’s own words.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  200. @Anonymous

    Thanks very much for the comment, Anonymous, sincerely whoever you may be.

    Great dip into the NYT’s hypocrital schizophrenia and Zio-engineered duplicity.

    The world (that doesn’t matter) is watching the US “prestige press” and know they are a criminal deceitful breed.

  201. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Roberts, alas, accepts no comments:

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/trumps-national-security-speech/

    So I will say it here: Linh Dinh forecast this s**tstorm more than a year ago.

  202. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Reconsider the potential of the immigrant. The US Military needs people, sometimes as cannon fodder, less dramatically as a resource. The criminal justice system – widely misconceived – similarly “needs” the incarcerated, to, say, make furniture for the US Military. These dark corridors are hardly what we would expect of a hyper-successful immigrant. However, the immigrant does contribute to the success of industry. Slave or a more effective puller of their own bootstraps, reconsider the immigrant.

    Dunkin Donuts isn’t that exciting, the Vietnamese who went to work for the same companies that at one time burned the landscape they ran from is more interesting if not ironic. Middle class dreamin’ or exploitation.

    Immigrants get the full on Walt Disney treatment from our owner ruler class too, but you might have thought it was all hate: The vivid horror of latino gang bangers and the greatest sacrifice of our immigrant soldiers – granted posthumous citizenship.

  203. I have lived in Istanbul and spent time in UAE with Iraqi refugees.

    I do not believe any of this monologue of “Melissa” (and there are typos).

    The author is unpacking an extremely Western mindset that sounds *exactly* like Mexican immigrants. The constant complaining about work, excessive materialism and a primitive belief system.

    A woman raised and living as an adult as an Iraqi Muslim would never get a tattoo. I can say this unequivocally. The fear from other Muslim men taking action against her would be too great.

    Discussing the promiscuity of her 14-year-old female with a black man would not be a cavalier conversation. It is a life-and-death matter. If her missing in action father or even uncles or brothers discovered she was having premarital sex with a black man she would most likely be murdered. At the very least some violence would befall her family. It is impossible that she was discussing this with a stranger at a Dunkin’ Donuts.

    Perhaps the article seemed more fascinating to make his protagonist Iraqi, but this is simply false.

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