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Frankford, Philadelphia, 2014
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Jonathan Revusky was in Philly for a few days, and I had a great time showing Jon around. We went to Kensington, Fishtown, Camden, Point Breeze, Little Cambodia and Rittenhouse Square, all but the last at the sinking end of the economic scale, places I’m well familiar with. At Jack’s Famous Bar, we ordered a cheesesteak and a roast beef sandwich for just $4 each, my kind of price, and I thought our lunch excellent. In Camden, I steered Jon to a bodega where a cheesesteak was just $3.50. Jon said, “I would never have walked into a place like that, if I wasn’t with you.” Most Americans wouldn’t go to Camden, period, even if you paid them.

Jon also introduced me to an alien Philadelphia, for he treated me to fancy joints like Paradiso Italian restaurant and Fogo de Chao Brazilian Steak House. When you can burn a Ben Franklin for dinner, life certainly becomes so much more civilized and soothing, and the lower class is mostly reduced to beautiful and smiling servers. “Is there anything else I can get you?” beamed the wholesome, slim waitress with the cute dimples.

Though living comfortably in Spain, Jon is well aware that his homeland is in steep decline. Unlike me, he’s not so sure there will be civil unrest, “I go to places like Brazil, with its vast favelas, and the poor people do carry on. Perhaps Americans will just become poorer and poorer, and get used to it.”

As we strolled past Center City’s best collection of chi-chi shops and restaurants, Jon remarked, “Any top-tier Chinese city, like Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzhou, etc., is, in most respects, so vastly superior to any American city at this point, it’s crazy. Not only do Americans not know this, but, as you pointed out, some would even get violently enraged at you if you said this. You mean this isn’t the best place in the world??!!”

Campaigning, Trump said, “Our airports are like from a third-world country,” not that anything is going to be done about it, for we’re worse than broke. Living in a near continent-sized country, it’s not easy to experience any other nation’s achievements, so few Americans have had a chance to be awed, say, by Berlin’s Central Rail Station or Seoul’s Incheon Airport.

After Jon left, I returned to one of the bars we hit to interview a bartender I’d known for a while. I thought of Katy because she had spent a decade mingling with the rich, if only as a server. As a housecleaner for many years, I did the same.

Katy agreed to talk if I would neither photograph her nor name her Center City bar. Deal!

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I was born in Frankford. I went to a Catholic grade school, St. Joachim. I read, four years ago, one of the most horrific stories ever. This girl was coming home from the bus. She’s walking down Church Street, past St. Joachim. She was pulled into the school yard and raped, brutally. When the police found her, they said she was unrecognizable. It was one of the worst brutalities they had ever seen. She was in a coma for three weeks. Not only that, he gave her AIDS.

I remember reading this article and thinking, This is where I grew up. This is where I spent the first eight years of my life. Frankford is like Compton now.

I went to Little Flower, then FrankfordHigh School. It was lame growing up in the Northeast. I had no favorite subjects.

I love music. Both of my parents were jazz musicians. My mother was a jazz singer. She was so awesome! My father played drums. He was pretty well known in South Philly.

I came out of the womb with music, although I never played anything, which is kind of odd. I can sing a little. I love Miss Ella.

I went down to Delaware Avenue to hang out when I was 18. I started to bartend. I worked at the Aztec. I came in, I applied and that was it. I also worked at Rock Lobster.

It was really good money. I liked the diversity of people. It was a little glamorous. I got to meet a lot of people. At a restaurant, you don’t have to wait for a table after a while, because you may have waited on that waiter. Things like that.

I broke my toe. I was working at Rock Lobster, and I was limping. This guy went, “What’s wrong?” It turned out he was a foot doctor. I said I didn’t have any insurance. He said, “Don’t worry about it.” He operated on my toe, everything, and all for free!

I used to be really wild. I did a lot of drugs.

My friend was a bartender at the Cave. They had male strippers in the back, lots of bachelorette parties. It’s so fuckin’ hilarious. This lady, she tipped him a ten-dollar food stamp!

My manager was meeting a girl after work. She lived in Gladwyne. It’s, like, the most prestigious area in Philly. Very, very money oriented. He just smoked a bowl, so he’s a little paranoid. He thought he was going to get pulled over because he was black. They went through these back roads. He said, “What are these three Great Danes doing in the middle of the road?” They were deer! He was a manager at one of the hottest clubs, so he got a lot of ass. Ha, ha!

During the Blizzard of ’93, I went to Miami for a vacation and decided I was going to stay. I still have tons of friends down there.

You’re just in a better mood when it’s sunny out every day. When you have such a bad winter, and everything’s gray, gray, the sky, and there’s black snow on the ground, and it’s piled up, you know what I mean, and it’s freezing. You go to Miami, and it’s bright! Instead of pigeons outside, you see two dozen parrots. It’s beautiful.

I was a cocktail waitress at the number one club in the United States. It’s called the Velvet. They’re actually doing a documentary about it. It was so crowded, people would wait for hours to get in. It’s so bizarre.

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We had the Money Party on Monday nights. You paid the cover, and everybody received an x amount in fake money. It was, like, anything goes. Whoever accumulated the most fake money at the end of the night won a grand prize. People would do the craziest things. Let’s put it this way, no cameras allowed! Girls would be going at it, on the bar. People would get naked. It was out of control.

We had a room called the Blue Room. One day, the Sugarhill Gang came in, so the DJ put their song on. There were, like, 14 of us in the room. He got up and he went, “See, I am Wonder Mike, and I’d like to say hello! To the black, to the white, the red and the brown, the purple and yellow!” He picked up my hand and he started singing it, so I was, like, with the lead singer of this band. It was so fuckin’ awesome! He was singing to me.

I met Charlie Sheen. He was so down-to-earth. I loved him. He’s one of my favorite people, as far as, like, famous. He started telling me jokes, and if I laughed, he gave me 20 bucks. Then I had to start telling him jokes. If he laughed, he would give me 50 bucks!

A lot of them were cheap. John Cusack was cheap. Charles Barkley was a good tipper. Dave Grohl, of the Foo Fighters, would tip people a thousand dollars.

The worst tipper was Prince. He was horrible! Prince told the bouncer he wanted beautiful girls. They had to be drop-dead beautiful. He ran them ragged, then tipped each a dollar. He tipped the DJ a thousand to play his newly released CD. The DJ was already getting paid, like, 700 bucks. Prince was such a dick.

There was a music venue next to the club. One of the bouncers told me, “Prince is next door! Prince is next door!” It’s because Sheila E. was performing. I remember standing literally right next to Prince while watching Sheila E. It was such an amazing thing! There were literally, like, 23 people in the whole place, and I was next to Prince! It was so overwhelming. It’s Prince, you know. It’s still Prince!

The first time I went to a chic party, I was on this 15-million-dollar yacht. We had, like, Matt Dillon there, Janet Jackson there, and I remember thinking, What the hell am I doing here?! I’m from Frankford! It means nothing, but I remember thinking, My life is so fun.

I was so wrapped up in it. I never finished college. Oh my God, it was such a great time. It was the best year of my life. I wish I could go back, for one day. Nah, a week! Ha, ha!

I’m from Philly. We didn’t have that kind of interactions. In Miami, you’d walk by and you’d go, “Oh, that looks like Gianni Versace,” and it was Gianni Versace!

The last time I was in Miami, I was a clothing stylist. It’s when people want to get dressed for really big events. We manufactured our own clothing. It’s very performance, very expensive. It’s stage clothing. Beautiful. Crystals. We also had high-end couture.

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I’d put an outfit together. Very wealthy people would come in. One time, I had this guy who’s on Fortune 500. He brought his wife, her best friend, his daughters, the maid, two hairdressers, and those dresses were like $4,000 a pop. They’re so rich, they don’t know what to do with their money.

I also worked retail. Once, this teenager came in. She was sitting on the couch and she was sobbing. I said, “What’s the matter?”

“My dad, he won’t give me money to buy the dress.” Sob, sob.

“Really?”

“He gave me 5,000 this month. The dress is 4,000, and I only have 2,000.” Sob, sob.

Fuckin’ insanity. Insanity! You fuckin’ privileged… Like, get a fuckin’ real problem!

I remember this one guy who was hanging out with all the bouncers. He was an heir to Nestle. His parents thought he was going to college in Miami. It’s nuts! He partied all the time and wasn’t even enrolled. Every time his parents came, he would get the books out and take them around the campus. It was crazy! He thought it was funny as shit. I could never do that to my parents.

I came back to Philly because it’s my home. I love my city now more than ever. I know people who moved to Brooklyn and New York a decade ago, and they’re all moving back. I love it. It’s so awesome here.

I never got married. I came close four times.

I love kids, even though I never had them. I have a calling for them, especially for children that are underprivileged, sick, anything… It’s just like a soft spot for them. Some people love animals. You know, I love kids.

One time, I was meeting my girlfriend on South Street for lunch. I had these crazy shoes on, and these really dark, Jackie O glasses. They were so dark that even in the sun, you could barely see. So I had a couple shots of tequilas, margaritas, and something to eat.

I had a little buzz going on. She left to go back to work. Again, getting back to kids. I love them! I can’t even walk by a cute kid. Awwww, I have to say something to them. So I’m walking down the street, and I see this little kid, and he got like a wifebeater on, cut-off shorts, Doc Martens, and he was like this big! The kid was so cute, so I went, “Look at you! You’re just a little baby! Look at your outfit! I love your outfit! You’re such a cute baby!”

The people who were with him were just appalled, and the baby was going like this. He stared me down! I took off my glasses. He was a midget!

I tried to volunteer for a Vietnamese orphanage. Two years ago, I went onto this website. They said they were looking for volunteers, but it’s a strict process. These babies were so beautiful, but they had these deformities. They need constant medical care.

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I’m used to instant gratification. I want to do it now, but the reality of it is, I can’t do it now. You have to be a college graduate. If you’re in nursing, or any kind of healthcare, your odds of being accepted are excellent.

If you’re in nursing school, it would look good on your resume, but that’s not why I would do it. I’m going to nursing school because I want to help the sick, but I’m changing my mind about that. Now that I’ve lost so many people in the past two years, I can’t even step foot into a hospital. I can’t even stand the sight of a hospital.

My one best friend died in a car accident last year. I lost my mother 18 months ago. My roommate also died last year. I found him dead. Aneurysm, he was 42. Another friend hung himself. One girlfriend overdosed on pills. She did it on purpose. Another friend died of a kidney transplant that didn’t take. There was one more person. There was so much, I can’t even remember. At that point, I was so tired of hospitals and people being sick. I’m tired of it.

It’s a disaster because I have all these credits for nursing, and now I don’t want to go. I can’t stand it! Every time I go to a hospital, I’m reminded of my dead dad, my dead friends. Who wants to be reminded of that every time? It smells like death.

You must have a calling for it. If you do it for the money, good luck with that! You’re going to hate your job.

Healthcare is one of the biggest problems we have. My friend who died in a car accident, he had just moved to L.A. A lot of time, when you get a job, you have to wait six months before you can apply for health insurance. When the ambulance came, his friend went to the hospital, but he didn’t, since he didn’t have any insurance. When he got back in his car, he hit a cement wall and died instantly. When they did the autopsy, they found out he had had a concussion prior to hitting the cement wall.

That’s a problem in America. It’s an American problem. Johnny didn’t go to the hospital because he was afraid of the doctors’ bills. It’s just a really hard thing. I miss him terribly.

This is the first job I’ve had as a bartender in about ten years. I like people. You see, there are a lot of people who don’t like people. I genuinely like people. You hear all the time, “I hate people! I hate people!” I don’t. I’m not an isolater. I can’t spend a lot of time by myself. It’s depressing.

I find people very interesting. I like to get to know people. I like to joke around. I like to talk about current events.

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I like the diversity. This bar, it’s so different than I’ve ever worked. There is so much diversity that walks in here, it’s unbelievable. Like you’ll have a Mexican from across the street who doesn’t speak any English, then you’ll have a journalist for National Geographic who’s now just coming back from, like, wherever he was. It’s crazy. It’s crazy!

There’s a guy, Chang, that comes in here. He’s really touchy feely. He’s so nice. I feel bad for him. His English is not so good. There’s a communication barrier, so I went on Google Translate and had a full-blown conversation with the guy. I really got to know him. That bump on his head? He probably fell off the barstool!

I swear to God, if you told me 20 years ago, that this is where I’d be right now, I’d never have believed it. I really thought I would have, like, a great career. In whatever.

I didn’t know what I wanted to be when I grow up. Isn’t that terrible? I have this empty hole in my stomach, and it gives me so much anxiety.

I was really wrapped up in the scene, really wrapped up.

I was ambitious. In my 20’s, I was trying to figure out what my goals were. I wanted to have a purpose, to do something meaningful.

At 30, I was a coke head.

Even my drug addiction was glamorized. It wasn’t Kensington and Allegheny. It was Dom Perignom at the Hilton, so it was a lot harder to admit that I had a problem. My rock bottom wasn’t like Kensington Avenue. I couldn’t even relate to that kind of addiction, but I wasn’t any better than that person at K&A.

When you get sober, you realize that drug isn’t the problem, it’s just a symptom. You stop doing one thing, and it will metastasize into something else. I stopped doing drugs, and I developed a severe, severe eating disorder. I starved myself.

I meditate. I love it. I don’t have a TV at my house.

I’m 43 and I don’t know what my goals are. It’s giving me a lot of anxiety. I can’t sleep at night. You have no idea.

Linh Dinh’s Postcards from the End of America has just been released by Seven Stories Press. He maintains an active photo blog.

 
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  1. utu says:

    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US. Did they let him out?

    Anyway, I am kind of glad that you, Mr. Dinh, met him.

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US.
     
    They have to let me in. I was born here, I'm a citizen.

    Did they let him out?
     
    Not yet, but they will. I left Philly a couple of weeks ago but I'm still in the U.S. at this moment.
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  2. You learn a little when reading these diarrheic rants such as that the author’s nickname among waitstaff is “Chang”.

    This lass obviously has creative amnesia on the topic of hooking. Drugs don’t come for free.

    Cheers-

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  3. “I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them.”

    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach. How amazing it is to contrast the effervescent tone of this person’s life with the absolute nihilism with which it was lived.

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    • Replies: @Truth


    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach.
     
    LOL, and you've had how many children?
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "Street life - but you'd better not get old
    Street life - or you're gonna feel the cold"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJQ6Mad-DDQ
    , @MBlanc46
    Very nicely put.
  4. unit472 says:

    I’m 20 years older but know the lifestyle she speaks of. Mine was Marin County in the 80′s. Money everywhere and you would meet rock and porn stars at parties and if you had coke they would be your friend. A lot of them ended up dead or broke. I was fortunate in that I just lost my job and house. It was a wake up call and, because America was still rich in those days, able to make enough money to retire comfortably. I wonder where this woman will be in 20 years?

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    She'll be an old slag in a senior apartment staring at her cats, wondering where her man is. Stupid bitch. Linh, if you could bottle up these articles and send them to high schools for release to the kids just heading out into the world, at least they would have a heads-up. This woman is another one, wasted her beauty, her youth, thought it would never end. She simply didn't see it going away. Tragic, but still, she's an idiot.
  5. Perhaps Americans will just become poorer and poorer, and get used to it

    .

    No doubt. They’ll be spouting “We’re da greatest!” all the way down.

    …Jon remarked, “Any top-tier Chinese city, like Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzhou, etc., is, in most respects, so vastly superior to any American city at this point, it’s crazy.

    That’s true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    js, you block-quoted pretty much what caught my eye, too. A student writer working for the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai published an astounding series of articles in the local university paper this past year on living in China. The wealth and public civility of China has, if I'm reading correctly, rocked her socks off.

    Even in the heyday of immigration to the States in the 19th and 20th centuries, some one-third of immigrants left, and it's almost a sure bet a good percentage of the remainder had doubts about the price they'd paid for living in the States.

    What's really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it's so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that've consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets.
    , @Truth



    That’s true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.
     
    And you're moving, when?
    , @The Alarmist

    "Same is true in some European countries too."
     
    Not to worry ... the Europeans are determined to wipe out any advantage they might have in the Western world by imitating the US in turning their societies into the sort of gorgeous mosaic that has turned places like Detroit, Baltimore, South Central LA, East St. Louis, and New Orleans into the garden spots of tranquility and social advancement they are today.
  6. jim jones says:

    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I hear shanghai is overrated. What about shenzhen or one of the many great second tier cities like xian and kunming. Definitely easier for a foreigner to make an entrance there!
    , @Truth

    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai
     
    Jimbo, by all means, pack a bag!

    60 is the new 20!
  7. JackOH says:
    @jacques sheete

    Perhaps Americans will just become poorer and poorer, and get used to it
     
    .

    No doubt. They'll be spouting "We're da greatest!" all the way down.



    ...Jon remarked, “Any top-tier Chinese city, like Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzhou, etc., is, in most respects, so vastly superior to any American city at this point, it’s crazy.
     
    That's true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.

    js, you block-quoted pretty much what caught my eye, too. A student writer working for the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai published an astounding series of articles in the local university paper this past year on living in China. The wealth and public civility of China has, if I’m reading correctly, rocked her socks off.

    Even in the heyday of immigration to the States in the 19th and 20th centuries, some one-third of immigrants left, and it’s almost a sure bet a good percentage of the remainder had doubts about the price they’d paid for living in the States.

    What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets.

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    • Replies: @Nick Granite
    China doesn't have any silly ideas about cultural diversity to muck up their works.
    , @Sam J.
    "...What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets..."

    That's because they killed about 80 million??100 million??? of their own people while waving around little red books. I admit the US has made tons of mistakes but when did we make any that bad?

    A large part of our interfering into others affairs is due to #1 the cold war against the USSR (started by the Jews) and then afterwards by Jews taking over our foreign policy to attack Israel and bankers interest. It doesn't help that the Jews used leveraged buy outs to move all our manufacturing to China.
    , @Pat the Rat

    What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations
     
    Yeah China is really impressive.

    It has conducted a war against it's unborn children murdering about a zillion of them. Murdered and enslaved millions of it's own citizens during the cultural revolution. And has been repeatedly accused of organ harvesting of prisoners.

    So far they haven't had a major foreign war, they have been too busy conducting war against their own citizens.

  8. grapesoda says:

    Hi Linh, did you ever consider how much of the way you are treated in the Western World is because of your Asian appearance, ie inverse racial privilege?

    But what am I saying, I know that’s impossible in your worldview. Not like your whole career is based on your Vietnamese-American racial privilege or anything…

    Look at me I can imitate Hemingway in passable English LOLLLLLLLLLL…….. :) It’s almost to the point of 85% competency… AND I CAME FROM VIETNAM!!! LOOK HOW FAR I’VE COME!!!! I’M A PROFESSOR NOW BECAUSE I CAME FROM VIETNAM AND NOW I’M A PROFESSOR!!!!!!!!

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    He is a pet of the Jews ,he said.
    , @Bill
    You really fail to see his talent?
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Take your meds.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Seems to write better than you, at the least.
  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jim jones
    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai

    I hear shanghai is overrated. What about shenzhen or one of the many great second tier cities like xian and kunming. Definitely easier for a foreigner to make an entrance there!

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Shenzhen isn't second-tier. Its definitely first tier, being the Chinese Silicon Valley and then some.

    But yes, you're correct that there are more opportunities in second tier cities but you'll have to speak Chinese a lot better and that's a challenge for many.
  10. Talha says:

    Thanks again Mr. Dinh for a great interview. A side of America I will likely never know much about but definitely appreciate the ability to step into other peoples’ shoes in only for a fleeting few minutes. I hope she continues to turn her life around for the better and finds that purpose she is looking for.

    I have a question; do you edit somethings out from the interview or is this verbatim as the person stated things? Also, in the interview are you asking questions and directing them one way or the other as to what you want to get insights on or is this purely them taking the conversation in the direction they want to go?

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    Hi Talha,

    In each interview, I ask many questions, but leave these out in the published version. Though these are their words, I will, when absolutely necessary, cut out bits here and there, for people will repeat themselves, or occasionally get muddled or lost on some tangent. Sometimes, I must interview a person several times.

    My aim is not just to get their story down, but to present their voice as is, how they sound in real life. In most cases, I also show them the typed up version, so they can refine or edit what they've said.


    Linh
    , @Johann
    Link, I enjoy your articles tremendously. I grew up in the K and A neighborhood fifty years ago and when you mention Jacks Famous Bar I have a nostalgic moment. When I grew up in that age Kensington was a hard scrabble but decent neighborhood. Since my parents were immigrants from Ireland and Catholic we also knew we were not real Americans but most of the kids I grew up with went to the local Catholic school and they were a multicultural group of multi cultural European Americans. My local parish and school Ascension no longer exists , at one time there were over fifteen hundred students there now it has joined the "bare ruined choirs " of Philadelphia's storied past Catholic culture. I also know where St. Joachim is where that terrible rape took place was near where I went to high school at northeast catholic high school which is also no longer there. My father worked at Philco on Tioga St which once made most of America's TVs and radios, Bethlehem Steel, Cuneo Press, Crown Cork and Seal provided jobs for the thousands of workers who lived in the shadow of the El and Kensington Avenue was a Mecca for shoppers ; a factory worker could buy a tailor made suit at Mike the Taylors and Levins took up a block on Kensington Avenue which provided everything Sears had. I left that area decades ago and have lived in Europe for several years. Now I live in Amish country in Central Pa. and can only look back with sadness on what the leaders of this country have wrought.
  11. Truth says:
    @A Random Name
    "I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them."

    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach. How amazing it is to contrast the effervescent tone of this person's life with the absolute nihilism with which it was lived.

    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach.

    LOL, and you’ve had how many children?

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Thanks, I agree with you. And if she did have children fuddy duddies like random name would criticize her for moving around so much and working nights.

    As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8 I can't stand commenters who tell other people to have children. I've noticed it's always childless women who get criticized, never men who don't get married and don't have children.
  12. Truth says:
    @jacques sheete

    Perhaps Americans will just become poorer and poorer, and get used to it
     
    .

    No doubt. They'll be spouting "We're da greatest!" all the way down.



    ...Jon remarked, “Any top-tier Chinese city, like Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzhou, etc., is, in most respects, so vastly superior to any American city at this point, it’s crazy.
     
    That's true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.

    That’s true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.

    And you’re moving, when?

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  13. Truth says:
    @jim jones
    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai

    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai

    Jimbo, by all means, pack a bag!

    60 is the new 20!

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Its not as easy to immigrate to China as you think, dude.

    That said, I think JR might be exaggerating a bit as Spain is in an amazing bad state at the moment. 45% youth unemployment is pretty amazing.

  14. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Talha
    Thanks again Mr. Dinh for a great interview. A side of America I will likely never know much about but definitely appreciate the ability to step into other peoples' shoes in only for a fleeting few minutes. I hope she continues to turn her life around for the better and finds that purpose she is looking for.

    I have a question; do you edit somethings out from the interview or is this verbatim as the person stated things? Also, in the interview are you asking questions and directing them one way or the other as to what you want to get insights on or is this purely them taking the conversation in the direction they want to go?

    Peace.

    Hi Talha,

    In each interview, I ask many questions, but leave these out in the published version. Though these are their words, I will, when absolutely necessary, cut out bits here and there, for people will repeat themselves, or occasionally get muddled or lost on some tangent. Sometimes, I must interview a person several times.

    My aim is not just to get their story down, but to present their voice as is, how they sound in real life. In most cases, I also show them the typed up version, so they can refine or edit what they’ve said.

    Linh

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Great - thanks for the insights! I figured there was a little polishing going on, but wasn't sure how much exactly because you allow the personality to come out in the words so it has that authentic resonance. I think you've struck a good balance on it.

    Peace.
  15. @JackOH
    js, you block-quoted pretty much what caught my eye, too. A student writer working for the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai published an astounding series of articles in the local university paper this past year on living in China. The wealth and public civility of China has, if I'm reading correctly, rocked her socks off.

    Even in the heyday of immigration to the States in the 19th and 20th centuries, some one-third of immigrants left, and it's almost a sure bet a good percentage of the remainder had doubts about the price they'd paid for living in the States.

    What's really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it's so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that've consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets.

    China doesn’t have any silly ideas about cultural diversity to muck up their works.

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  16. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi Talha,

    In each interview, I ask many questions, but leave these out in the published version. Though these are their words, I will, when absolutely necessary, cut out bits here and there, for people will repeat themselves, or occasionally get muddled or lost on some tangent. Sometimes, I must interview a person several times.

    My aim is not just to get their story down, but to present their voice as is, how they sound in real life. In most cases, I also show them the typed up version, so they can refine or edit what they've said.


    Linh

    Great – thanks for the insights! I figured there was a little polishing going on, but wasn’t sure how much exactly because you allow the personality to come out in the words so it has that authentic resonance. I think you’ve struck a good balance on it.

    Peace.

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  17. Obscured American who lived hard, fast, and loose in youth and now wants someone else to pay the piper, episode 1,635.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey SD,

    Wait - what? The lady says she has overcome addiction, an eating disorder and is trying to work through a life that has seen more death than most of us have. She is trying to turn things around and even tried giving a go at nursing school. She has taken individual responsibility by implementing a meditation routine and cutting out the idiot-box. Where is she blaming a bunch of other people for her issues or asking others to pay her bills?

    When one hears about people like this; they should be prayed for, not scorned.

    If even half the people who had addictions could turn their life around to this degree, our society would be doing much better at the margins.

    Peace.
    , @Alden
    She's only 43. She supports herself as a bar tender. How is she expecting someone else to pay the piper?
  18. Talha says:
    @Stripes Duncan
    Obscured American who lived hard, fast, and loose in youth and now wants someone else to pay the piper, episode 1,635.

    Hey SD,

    Wait – what? The lady says she has overcome addiction, an eating disorder and is trying to work through a life that has seen more death than most of us have. She is trying to turn things around and even tried giving a go at nursing school. She has taken individual responsibility by implementing a meditation routine and cutting out the idiot-box. Where is she blaming a bunch of other people for her issues or asking others to pay her bills?

    When one hears about people like this; they should be prayed for, not scorned.

    If even half the people who had addictions could turn their life around to this degree, our society would be doing much better at the margins.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Stripes Duncan
    You don't have much experience with dope fiends, do you?
  19. It was what was not said but implied that made this interview kind of sad.

    She was raised in a loving home, or so it appears and raised in the conventional respectable working class way. Sent to a catholic school by her parents (who had to pay something to do that), in the old pre beetles era she likely would have been dating and married between 18 and 21. She was obviously quite good looking with a good body. She would not have gotten those gigs and the ability to hobnob with celebrities at 18 if she were not. For women, good looks have always been one thing which allowed them to rise above their families station in life.

    Coming of age in 1992, a decent life was still possible in Philly. Had she had some brains she could have leveraged those good looks into a husband and a few kids, life in a nice if not spectacular suburb. Instead she used the gift of mother nature to ride the cock carousal and do coke. Now she finds at age 43 that life is closing in, her best times are but dim memories, her friends dying from those indulgences of youth , her parents dead and she is alone without skills to provide more than a thread-bare existence. Life is cold, lonely and dreary.

    How different her life would be if she had found a nice if not terrible exciting man to marry at age 20~25, it was still possible in the pre 1999 world. Now she would be worrying about her teenage kids instead of finding out she is not even wanted to take care of foreign disabled kids. Life is certainly cruel to those with no insights at a young age.

    The thing is, in the boomer days of 1967 to 1977, the young could do that , mess around for a decade and still recover to have a decent life, but in this more competitive and shrinking US opportunities, those days are gone. There is an entire generation of folks like this, who despite the best efforts of their middle class parents, went down the tubes.

    Very sad and not entirely this women’s fault, though I very much doubt she will receive much sympathy from folks of her own age. Harsh times make people harsh.

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    Couldn't agree more. Very sad. And her numbers are legion. One can only hope she has built up survival skills over the years.
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Being from quite different circle and from different culture,
    humbly and with sorrow,
    I agree with Sam the Man.
  20. @A Random Name
    "I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them."

    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach. How amazing it is to contrast the effervescent tone of this person's life with the absolute nihilism with which it was lived.

    “Street life – but you’d better not get old
    Street life – or you’re gonna feel the cold”

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  21. In the old fable of the grasshopper and the ants, she’s the grasshopper. No appreciable future orientation. Serial goals taken up and abandoned. She’ll hit 67 (or whatever the retirement age will be by then) and God hope there’s still a social security check and Medicare for her to try to live off.

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  22. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Just love these, Linh. Keep ‘em coming. Everybody has at least one story to tell: his or her own.

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  23. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam the Man
    It was what was not said but implied that made this interview kind of sad.

    She was raised in a loving home, or so it appears and raised in the conventional respectable working class way. Sent to a catholic school by her parents (who had to pay something to do that), in the old pre beetles era she likely would have been dating and married between 18 and 21. She was obviously quite good looking with a good body. She would not have gotten those gigs and the ability to hobnob with celebrities at 18 if she were not. For women, good looks have always been one thing which allowed them to rise above their families station in life.

    Coming of age in 1992, a decent life was still possible in Philly. Had she had some brains she could have leveraged those good looks into a husband and a few kids, life in a nice if not spectacular suburb. Instead she used the gift of mother nature to ride the cock carousal and do coke. Now she finds at age 43 that life is closing in, her best times are but dim memories, her friends dying from those indulgences of youth , her parents dead and she is alone without skills to provide more than a thread-bare existence. Life is cold, lonely and dreary.

    How different her life would be if she had found a nice if not terrible exciting man to marry at age 20~25, it was still possible in the pre 1999 world. Now she would be worrying about her teenage kids instead of finding out she is not even wanted to take care of foreign disabled kids. Life is certainly cruel to those with no insights at a young age.

    The thing is, in the boomer days of 1967 to 1977, the young could do that , mess around for a decade and still recover to have a decent life, but in this more competitive and shrinking US opportunities, those days are gone. There is an entire generation of folks like this, who despite the best efforts of their middle class parents, went down the tubes.

    Very sad and not entirely this women's fault, though I very much doubt she will receive much sympathy from folks of her own age. Harsh times make people harsh.

    Couldn’t agree more. Very sad. And her numbers are legion. One can only hope she has built up survival skills over the years.

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  24. @Sam the Man
    It was what was not said but implied that made this interview kind of sad.

    She was raised in a loving home, or so it appears and raised in the conventional respectable working class way. Sent to a catholic school by her parents (who had to pay something to do that), in the old pre beetles era she likely would have been dating and married between 18 and 21. She was obviously quite good looking with a good body. She would not have gotten those gigs and the ability to hobnob with celebrities at 18 if she were not. For women, good looks have always been one thing which allowed them to rise above their families station in life.

    Coming of age in 1992, a decent life was still possible in Philly. Had she had some brains she could have leveraged those good looks into a husband and a few kids, life in a nice if not spectacular suburb. Instead she used the gift of mother nature to ride the cock carousal and do coke. Now she finds at age 43 that life is closing in, her best times are but dim memories, her friends dying from those indulgences of youth , her parents dead and she is alone without skills to provide more than a thread-bare existence. Life is cold, lonely and dreary.

    How different her life would be if she had found a nice if not terrible exciting man to marry at age 20~25, it was still possible in the pre 1999 world. Now she would be worrying about her teenage kids instead of finding out she is not even wanted to take care of foreign disabled kids. Life is certainly cruel to those with no insights at a young age.

    The thing is, in the boomer days of 1967 to 1977, the young could do that , mess around for a decade and still recover to have a decent life, but in this more competitive and shrinking US opportunities, those days are gone. There is an entire generation of folks like this, who despite the best efforts of their middle class parents, went down the tubes.

    Very sad and not entirely this women's fault, though I very much doubt she will receive much sympathy from folks of her own age. Harsh times make people harsh.

    Being from quite different circle and from different culture,
    humbly and with sorrow,
    I agree with Sam the Man.

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  25. @Talha
    Hey SD,

    Wait - what? The lady says she has overcome addiction, an eating disorder and is trying to work through a life that has seen more death than most of us have. She is trying to turn things around and even tried giving a go at nursing school. She has taken individual responsibility by implementing a meditation routine and cutting out the idiot-box. Where is she blaming a bunch of other people for her issues or asking others to pay her bills?

    When one hears about people like this; they should be prayed for, not scorned.

    If even half the people who had addictions could turn their life around to this degree, our society would be doing much better at the margins.

    Peace.

    You don’t have much experience with dope fiends, do you?

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Nope - I just like to wish people well. Especially when they're trying. Maybe that's a fault.

    Peace.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    That Talha chappie appears to have the notion that out of good thoughts come good actions out of which come good results. Wherever did he get such a notion?
  26. @grapesoda
    Hi Linh, did you ever consider how much of the way you are treated in the Western World is because of your Asian appearance, ie inverse racial privilege?

    But what am I saying, I know that's impossible in your worldview. Not like your whole career is based on your Vietnamese-American racial privilege or anything...

    Look at me I can imitate Hemingway in passable English LOLLLLLLLLLL........ :) It's almost to the point of 85% competency... AND I CAME FROM VIETNAM!!! LOOK HOW FAR I'VE COME!!!! I'M A PROFESSOR NOW BECAUSE I CAME FROM VIETNAM AND NOW I'M A PROFESSOR!!!!!!!!

    He is a pet of the Jews ,he said.

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  27. @Truth

    If I was eighteen again I would be heading for Shanghai
     
    Jimbo, by all means, pack a bag!

    60 is the new 20!

    Its not as easy to immigrate to China as you think, dude.

    That said, I think JR might be exaggerating a bit as Spain is in an amazing bad state at the moment. 45% youth unemployment is pretty amazing.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Are they really that picky about English teachers with college degrees? And can't one pursue another venture once he has the visa?
  28. Talha says:
    @Stripes Duncan
    You don't have much experience with dope fiends, do you?

    Nope – I just like to wish people well. Especially when they’re trying. Maybe that’s a fault.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Talha, there are just really, really unhappy people here.
  29. @Anonymous
    I hear shanghai is overrated. What about shenzhen or one of the many great second tier cities like xian and kunming. Definitely easier for a foreigner to make an entrance there!

    Shenzhen isn’t second-tier. Its definitely first tier, being the Chinese Silicon Valley and then some.

    But yes, you’re correct that there are more opportunities in second tier cities but you’ll have to speak Chinese a lot better and that’s a challenge for many.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I didn't say shenzhen was second tier!

    I'd argue trying to start anything in a foreign country without a good working knowledge of the local language is likely to fail. Actually China has an advantage here in that it's easy for our prototypical 20 year old westerner to pick up a local girlfriend who can then assist with translation etc.
  30. Johann says:
    @Talha
    Thanks again Mr. Dinh for a great interview. A side of America I will likely never know much about but definitely appreciate the ability to step into other peoples' shoes in only for a fleeting few minutes. I hope she continues to turn her life around for the better and finds that purpose she is looking for.

    I have a question; do you edit somethings out from the interview or is this verbatim as the person stated things? Also, in the interview are you asking questions and directing them one way or the other as to what you want to get insights on or is this purely them taking the conversation in the direction they want to go?

    Peace.

    Link, I enjoy your articles tremendously. I grew up in the K and A neighborhood fifty years ago and when you mention Jacks Famous Bar I have a nostalgic moment. When I grew up in that age Kensington was a hard scrabble but decent neighborhood. Since my parents were immigrants from Ireland and Catholic we also knew we were not real Americans but most of the kids I grew up with went to the local Catholic school and they were a multicultural group of multi cultural European Americans. My local parish and school Ascension no longer exists , at one time there were over fifteen hundred students there now it has joined the “bare ruined choirs ” of Philadelphia’s storied past Catholic culture. I also know where St. Joachim is where that terrible rape took place was near where I went to high school at northeast catholic high school which is also no longer there. My father worked at Philco on Tioga St which once made most of America’s TVs and radios, Bethlehem Steel, Cuneo Press, Crown Cork and Seal provided jobs for the thousands of workers who lived in the shadow of the El and Kensington Avenue was a Mecca for shoppers ; a factory worker could buy a tailor made suit at Mike the Taylors and Levins took up a block on Kensington Avenue which provided everything Sears had. I left that area decades ago and have lived in Europe for several years. Now I live in Amish country in Central Pa. and can only look back with sadness on what the leaders of this country have wrought.

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    Hi Johann,

    Yes, all the factories are gone from Kensington and Frankford, so these mostly white, working class neighborhoods have been changed forever. Shielded by I-95, NJ-90 and the Delaware, Bridesburg is still mostly Polish and Irish. Northern Liberties and Fishtown have been gentrified.

    I love Jack's. It still feels very old school. Most of the time, you'll find the owner, Mel Adelman, sitting at one of the back booths, reading a serious novel.

    A while ago, I wrote about Bridesburg:

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-bridesburg-philadelphia-2/

    Linh
  31. Art says:

    “I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them.”

    This should be required reading for every 20-year-old feminist.

    This woman had a very interesting and exciting external life – but no inside home life.

    She has no nest – women need a nest with people in it.

    She is 43 empty and sad!

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Why don't you marry her, pay for fertility treatments and have kids with her? What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn't have children?
  32. @unit472
    I'm 20 years older but know the lifestyle she speaks of. Mine was Marin County in the 80's. Money everywhere and you would meet rock and porn stars at parties and if you had coke they would be your friend. A lot of them ended up dead or broke. I was fortunate in that I just lost my job and house. It was a wake up call and, because America was still rich in those days, able to make enough money to retire comfortably. I wonder where this woman will be in 20 years?

    She’ll be an old slag in a senior apartment staring at her cats, wondering where her man is. Stupid bitch. Linh, if you could bottle up these articles and send them to high schools for release to the kids just heading out into the world, at least they would have a heads-up. This woman is another one, wasted her beauty, her youth, thought it would never end. She simply didn’t see it going away. Tragic, but still, she’s an idiot.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    It takes two to get married and two to make a baby.
    , @Alden
    Since men generally die several years before women, most married women end their lives alone living in senior housing. You need to check out nursing homes, assisted living and retirement communities. There are vastly more widowed women in those places than there are men.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Joe, ever the romantic.
  33. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Johann
    Link, I enjoy your articles tremendously. I grew up in the K and A neighborhood fifty years ago and when you mention Jacks Famous Bar I have a nostalgic moment. When I grew up in that age Kensington was a hard scrabble but decent neighborhood. Since my parents were immigrants from Ireland and Catholic we also knew we were not real Americans but most of the kids I grew up with went to the local Catholic school and they were a multicultural group of multi cultural European Americans. My local parish and school Ascension no longer exists , at one time there were over fifteen hundred students there now it has joined the "bare ruined choirs " of Philadelphia's storied past Catholic culture. I also know where St. Joachim is where that terrible rape took place was near where I went to high school at northeast catholic high school which is also no longer there. My father worked at Philco on Tioga St which once made most of America's TVs and radios, Bethlehem Steel, Cuneo Press, Crown Cork and Seal provided jobs for the thousands of workers who lived in the shadow of the El and Kensington Avenue was a Mecca for shoppers ; a factory worker could buy a tailor made suit at Mike the Taylors and Levins took up a block on Kensington Avenue which provided everything Sears had. I left that area decades ago and have lived in Europe for several years. Now I live in Amish country in Central Pa. and can only look back with sadness on what the leaders of this country have wrought.

    Hi Johann,

    Yes, all the factories are gone from Kensington and Frankford, so these mostly white, working class neighborhoods have been changed forever. Shielded by I-95, NJ-90 and the Delaware, Bridesburg is still mostly Polish and Irish. Northern Liberties and Fishtown have been gentrified.

    I love Jack’s. It still feels very old school. Most of the time, you’ll find the owner, Mel Adelman, sitting at one of the back booths, reading a serious novel.

    A while ago, I wrote about Bridesburg:

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-bridesburg-philadelphia-2/

    Linh

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  34. Yup, can’t understand why there’s so little industry in central Philadelphia these days. Especially with all the aging substance-addled screwed up potential employees to choose from (source: right here).

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  35. Bill says:
    @grapesoda
    Hi Linh, did you ever consider how much of the way you are treated in the Western World is because of your Asian appearance, ie inverse racial privilege?

    But what am I saying, I know that's impossible in your worldview. Not like your whole career is based on your Vietnamese-American racial privilege or anything...

    Look at me I can imitate Hemingway in passable English LOLLLLLLLLLL........ :) It's almost to the point of 85% competency... AND I CAME FROM VIETNAM!!! LOOK HOW FAR I'VE COME!!!! I'M A PROFESSOR NOW BECAUSE I CAME FROM VIETNAM AND NOW I'M A PROFESSOR!!!!!!!!

    You really fail to see his talent?

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  36. Alden says:
    @Truth


    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach.
     
    LOL, and you've had how many children?

    Thanks, I agree with you. And if she did have children fuddy duddies like random name would criticize her for moving around so much and working nights.

    As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8 I can’t stand commenters who tell other people to have children. I’ve noticed it’s always childless women who get criticized, never men who don’t get married and don’t have children.

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    • Agree: Whoever
    • Replies: @Truth
    It is so true! Around here, the woman always "wasted her babymaking potential" while the man "just couldn't find a woman good enough to settle down with", or "just realized marriage is a bad deal for guys.." It's been the same thing here for 10 years, and dudes just seem clueless."
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "I’ve noticed it’s always childless women who get criticized, never men who don’t get married and don’t have children"

    Men can't have babies, that's why. But one man can impregnate many women. "Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap".

    (Truth will tell you that commenters here are quick to condemn some men who have children but don't stick around to rear them. In fact one of LD's last interviewees was a (white IIRC) serial babydaddy who didn't stick around, and he got criticised.)

    "As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8" - bravo. I seriously think Trump should (alongside closing the borders, an increasingly unlikely fantasy it seems) institute a medal for mothers who

    Have four or more kids.
    Kids have no criminal record.
    Are still with the father of said kids (say 25 years after birth of first child).
    Mum and Dad not on welfare, assuming they're both fit and capable of working.

  37. Alden says:
    @Jim Christian
    She'll be an old slag in a senior apartment staring at her cats, wondering where her man is. Stupid bitch. Linh, if you could bottle up these articles and send them to high schools for release to the kids just heading out into the world, at least they would have a heads-up. This woman is another one, wasted her beauty, her youth, thought it would never end. She simply didn't see it going away. Tragic, but still, she's an idiot.

    It takes two to get married and two to make a baby.

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  38. Ivy says:

    The ripple effects of ethnic cleansing in Philly from 50-60 years ago still show up in the stories of survivors and the sites of ruined parishes and neighborhoods. The callous disregard for human lives remains a cautionary tale for anyone subjected to such so-called progressive ideas. Scratch beneath the surface to find out who is being manipulated.

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  39. Alden says:
    @Stripes Duncan
    Obscured American who lived hard, fast, and loose in youth and now wants someone else to pay the piper, episode 1,635.

    She’s only 43. She supports herself as a bar tender. How is she expecting someone else to pay the piper?

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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    Shenzhen isn't second-tier. Its definitely first tier, being the Chinese Silicon Valley and then some.

    But yes, you're correct that there are more opportunities in second tier cities but you'll have to speak Chinese a lot better and that's a challenge for many.

    I didn’t say shenzhen was second tier!

    I’d argue trying to start anything in a foreign country without a good working knowledge of the local language is likely to fail. Actually China has an advantage here in that it’s easy for our prototypical 20 year old westerner to pick up a local girlfriend who can then assist with translation etc.

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  41. Truth says:
    @Alden
    Thanks, I agree with you. And if she did have children fuddy duddies like random name would criticize her for moving around so much and working nights.

    As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8 I can't stand commenters who tell other people to have children. I've noticed it's always childless women who get criticized, never men who don't get married and don't have children.

    It is so true! Around here, the woman always “wasted her babymaking potential” while the man “just couldn’t find a woman good enough to settle down with”, or “just realized marriage is a bad deal for guys..” It’s been the same thing here for 10 years, and dudes just seem clueless.”

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    • Replies: @Alden
    They are probably about 90 years old and don't have any 20 to 40 year old grandsons who could explain to them why men don't get married now days. They never even acknowledge that it takes a man to get a woman pregnant.

    And I doubt any of them had more than 2 children. Anyway, the White race won't be saved by having more children. The only we can save ourselves is to end affirmative action and the endless anti White propaganda PLUS preventing the birth of more non White children
    , @Jim Christian
    Clueless about what? That they don't want the 35 year old career girl patterned off the Sluts of Sex In The City? Clueless about marriage when half his uncles are divorced-raped? Clueless about the economy and consumed with doubt about the social and financial viability of such an enterprise as a marriage and children, a mortgage and a dog and a cat? Gee, what on God's green Earth could go wrong with all THAT?

    They aren't clueless, they're prudent. Hence, the decline of the marriage and birthrates of responsible people.
  42. Truth says:
    @Talha
    Nope - I just like to wish people well. Especially when they're trying. Maybe that's a fault.

    Peace.

    Talha, there are just really, really unhappy people here.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    I do think internet forums tend to attract unhappy/frustrated people. Maybe it's a form of catharsis.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PbP7oVHNyw

    I also think there is something very disturbing about anonymous forums in general - I think it seems to bring out the inner demons in normal people. I know I have had to dig really deep into my spiritual training to prevent myself from going ballistic at times - it's like a candy store for the ego.

    Anyway, Katy has made practically all the mistakes that I don't want my daughter making. But if she did and she was working on correcting her life, I would hope people would be lifting her up and not lining up to crush her hopes.

    Peace.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    " there are just really, really unhappy people here"

    Says the guy who never makes an intelligent or interesting comment, just snark ,negativity and racial grievance all the time (and poorly at that).
  43. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its not as easy to immigrate to China as you think, dude.

    That said, I think JR might be exaggerating a bit as Spain is in an amazing bad state at the moment. 45% youth unemployment is pretty amazing.

    Are they really that picky about English teachers with college degrees? And can’t one pursue another venture once he has the visa?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    For non-Chinese co-ethnics, foreigners are welcomed only as professionals in sectors facing skills scarcity on an ad-hoc basis. English teachers are considered as oversupplied(though still welcome for more rural provinces).

    You can pursue other venues, but usually Chinese companies wouldn't hire English teachers for other positions since that's such a common method of entrance and often indicative of someone without other skills. Probably the best way to enter would be to have a good engineering degree and then applying to Huawei, etc.

    Essentially HB1 in reverse.

  44. @Truth
    Are they really that picky about English teachers with college degrees? And can't one pursue another venture once he has the visa?

    For non-Chinese co-ethnics, foreigners are welcomed only as professionals in sectors facing skills scarcity on an ad-hoc basis. English teachers are considered as oversupplied(though still welcome for more rural provinces).

    You can pursue other venues, but usually Chinese companies wouldn’t hire English teachers for other positions since that’s such a common method of entrance and often indicative of someone without other skills. Probably the best way to enter would be to have a good engineering degree and then applying to Huawei, etc.

    Essentially HB1 in reverse.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Hey Dan, I've been thinking about a GREAT business opportunity. You and I could move to China 6 months a year and start classes in coolness, sensuality, and savoir faire for Chinese men. You don't know me but trust me, I'm as cool as they come. How to talk to women, how to dress, swagger, be confident, athletic all that. You can set it up, I can teach the classes and you can put a few pictures up with your Quebecois wife! The businessmen will be eating out of our hands! Big $$$$$$$! How do we set this up? I even have a great name for it...

    冷静大学

    or

    该 大学 的倜傥
  45. @utu
    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US. Did they let him out?

    Anyway, I am kind of glad that you, Mr. Dinh, met him.

    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US.

    They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen.

    Did they let him out?

    Not yet, but they will. I left Philly a couple of weeks ago but I’m still in the U.S. at this moment.

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    • Replies: @utu
    They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen.

    Come on. The rules can be changed. But since America and West are in the mood for opening borders to everybody you should be OK.

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345
    , @The Alarmist

    "They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen."
     
    Yeah, I used to think that too, but every time I come back, I get Twenty Questions that boil down to "Why do you live abroad? What is wrong with you? Why should you be trusted and let back in?" all the while five third-worlders are waved through the next line over. The kiosks have made getting back in a little better, but you still get human intervention that can still open you up to this extra-special personal welcome home.

    Best experience was when asked how long I had been away on this trip, and I replied "Seventeen years." If the ICE guy had had a coffee, it would have been a spit-take.
  46. Alden says:
    @Truth
    It is so true! Around here, the woman always "wasted her babymaking potential" while the man "just couldn't find a woman good enough to settle down with", or "just realized marriage is a bad deal for guys.." It's been the same thing here for 10 years, and dudes just seem clueless."

    They are probably about 90 years old and don’t have any 20 to 40 year old grandsons who could explain to them why men don’t get married now days. They never even acknowledge that it takes a man to get a woman pregnant.

    And I doubt any of them had more than 2 children. Anyway, the White race won’t be saved by having more children. The only we can save ourselves is to end affirmative action and the endless anti White propaganda PLUS preventing the birth of more non White children

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  47. Alden says:
    @Art
    “I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them.”


    This should be required reading for every 20-year-old feminist.

    This woman had a very interesting and exciting external life – but no inside home life.

    She has no nest – women need a nest with people in it.

    She is 43 empty and sad!

    Why don’t you marry her, pay for fertility treatments and have kids with her? What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn’t have children?

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    • Replies: @Art
    What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn’t have children?

    Alden,

    When the author wrote this article, he put her life open for discussion.

    This woman has had an interesting life – she is not poor – she has talents and wherewithal - she is not a victim. She rejected marriage and children four times. Yet at 43, she is empty and sad. There are happy people who never marry and have children – clearly she is not one of them.

    My point is that she may have been happier if she had children – that is not an outrageous point of view.

    I expressed the age-old fact that most women are happy with an ongoing nest of family people around them.

    I refuse to except the charge of sexist for saying that.

    Peace --- Art
  48. Alden says:
    @Jim Christian
    She'll be an old slag in a senior apartment staring at her cats, wondering where her man is. Stupid bitch. Linh, if you could bottle up these articles and send them to high schools for release to the kids just heading out into the world, at least they would have a heads-up. This woman is another one, wasted her beauty, her youth, thought it would never end. She simply didn't see it going away. Tragic, but still, she's an idiot.

    Since men generally die several years before women, most married women end their lives alone living in senior housing. You need to check out nursing homes, assisted living and retirement communities. There are vastly more widowed women in those places than there are men.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Sure! Ma and Pa moved to a lake community in 84, Pop passed 2001. Ma lived another 8 or so, best years of her life, no one to worry about for the first time in 80 years. Same for all but a couple of dozens of their friends. The women lived longer (and this was a healthier group than the norm) and did things. The old bucks, when their wives died first, they quit playing golf, stopped fishing, all of em dead in a year or two. Male privilege my ass.

    Still, there are communities with old folks and a lot of getting laid is getting done in those places too, heard of a couple of them around Orlando. The Boomers are a strange people in their late-life habits, lot of STDs in those joints. Ye Gods, may my motorcycle take me away first..
    , @Carroll Price
    A ratio of 4 or 5 women to every man would be a conservative estimate.
  49. What about some compassion for a rather unfortunate woman? You guys seem to harbor some bitterness towards American women overall? I attended one college which was called “Kremlin on the Crum” which in 1984 was full of leftie self righteous Jewish kids (those of you who really are from Philly and are over 50 years will know which one I am referring to. Media – Wallingford? I remember the time when Lansdowne was blue collar white…) I screwed up my prescribed successful immigrant career. I nursed on partially justified, partially imagined feelings of insult, related to being a man of Asian appearance caught inside a social circle full of preppy white guys and girls, for many years… but deep in my heart, I always understood that nursing feelings of bitterness and insult was not the biggest favor I could have done myself. So, in short, even though my American life ( former) coincided with the empire’s irreversible decline, and even though my accounts were paper thin and my household consisted of me and not even a cat, at the height of mid-age crisis, I found the grits to move on. And I send a big teary hug to good old decrepit Philly, a genuine hi to all you guys, and this piece of reflection: moving on without rancor, is the best way. And thank you Mr Linh. I shall be your loyal reader from now on. From Charles the Chinese Old Fool, newly settled in Leningrad, nowadays called Petersburg.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Perhaps you could write postcards from Russia? It would be interesting.
  50. @Alden
    Thanks, I agree with you. And if she did have children fuddy duddies like random name would criticize her for moving around so much and working nights.

    As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8 I can't stand commenters who tell other people to have children. I've noticed it's always childless women who get criticized, never men who don't get married and don't have children.

    “I’ve noticed it’s always childless women who get criticized, never men who don’t get married and don’t have children”

    Men can’t have babies, that’s why. But one man can impregnate many women. “Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap”.

    (Truth will tell you that commenters here are quick to condemn some men who have children but don’t stick around to rear them. In fact one of LD’s last interviewees was a (white IIRC) serial babydaddy who didn’t stick around, and he got criticised.)

    “As a mother of 4 and grandmother of 8″ – bravo. I seriously think Trump should (alongside closing the borders, an increasingly unlikely fantasy it seems) institute a medal for mothers who

    Have four or more kids.
    Kids have no criminal record.
    Are still with the father of said kids (say 25 years after birth of first child).
    Mum and Dad not on welfare, assuming they’re both fit and capable of working.

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  51. @Truth



    That’s true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.
     
    And you're moving, when?

    ;)

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  52. @Truth
    It is so true! Around here, the woman always "wasted her babymaking potential" while the man "just couldn't find a woman good enough to settle down with", or "just realized marriage is a bad deal for guys.." It's been the same thing here for 10 years, and dudes just seem clueless."

    Clueless about what? That they don’t want the 35 year old career girl patterned off the Sluts of Sex In The City? Clueless about marriage when half his uncles are divorced-raped? Clueless about the economy and consumed with doubt about the social and financial viability of such an enterprise as a marriage and children, a mortgage and a dog and a cat? Gee, what on God’s green Earth could go wrong with all THAT?

    They aren’t clueless, they’re prudent. Hence, the decline of the marriage and birthrates of responsible people.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Well then Jim, you should do what your cohort is dying to do; marry a young, submissive*, nubile Chinese or Mexican woman, have Asian or Mestizo children, and then come here for the next 20 years and complain about interracial relationships ruining white society!

    (*Pretty much a myth from what I have seen with my own eyes, but the myth does seem to persist.)
    , @Alden
    We get it. You're divorced and can't get laid. Unz isn't a support group for the sex deprived.
  53. @Alden
    Since men generally die several years before women, most married women end their lives alone living in senior housing. You need to check out nursing homes, assisted living and retirement communities. There are vastly more widowed women in those places than there are men.

    Sure! Ma and Pa moved to a lake community in 84, Pop passed 2001. Ma lived another 8 or so, best years of her life, no one to worry about for the first time in 80 years. Same for all but a couple of dozens of their friends. The women lived longer (and this was a healthier group than the norm) and did things. The old bucks, when their wives died first, they quit playing golf, stopped fishing, all of em dead in a year or two. Male privilege my ass.

    Still, there are communities with old folks and a lot of getting laid is getting done in those places too, heard of a couple of them around Orlando. The Boomers are a strange people in their late-life habits, lot of STDs in those joints. Ye Gods, may my motorcycle take me away first..

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  54. @Stripes Duncan
    You don't have much experience with dope fiends, do you?

    That Talha chappie appears to have the notion that out of good thoughts come good actions out of which come good results. Wherever did he get such a notion?

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  55. @Jim Christian
    She'll be an old slag in a senior apartment staring at her cats, wondering where her man is. Stupid bitch. Linh, if you could bottle up these articles and send them to high schools for release to the kids just heading out into the world, at least they would have a heads-up. This woman is another one, wasted her beauty, her youth, thought it would never end. She simply didn't see it going away. Tragic, but still, she's an idiot.

    Joe, ever the romantic.

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  56. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian
    Clueless about what? That they don't want the 35 year old career girl patterned off the Sluts of Sex In The City? Clueless about marriage when half his uncles are divorced-raped? Clueless about the economy and consumed with doubt about the social and financial viability of such an enterprise as a marriage and children, a mortgage and a dog and a cat? Gee, what on God's green Earth could go wrong with all THAT?

    They aren't clueless, they're prudent. Hence, the decline of the marriage and birthrates of responsible people.

    Well then Jim, you should do what your cohort is dying to do; marry a young, submissive*, nubile Chinese or Mexican woman, have Asian or Mestizo children, and then come here for the next 20 years and complain about interracial relationships ruining white society!

    (*Pretty much a myth from what I have seen with my own eyes, but the myth does seem to persist.)

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Truth, Good Takes, Dood! And, I'm way ahead of you, but I won't be marrying. Ha, I'm 60, divorced from an I'm Not Haaaapy divorce since 1992 from a marriage of 7 years. I tore up my husband card, got a vasectomy and enjoyed the many fruits of Bill Clinton's Washington. I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second. She's a graphics chick, she designs kitchens for the rich and infamous, he's loaded ok too.

    Me? I haven't laid dick 1 on an American chick in 20 years, merely a mix of Asians, Brazilians of German descent and a couple of Guatos, all of them mostly White chicks from elsewhere. Asians are White chicks to me, only slender. But in the advent of third-wave feminism, single and divorced American women are just foul after thirty, thirty-five, they're on my pay-no-mind list. I wouldn't burden my motorcycle with their rancor and their nasty, high-traffic asses. I'll sleep with them, in between but for companions, ya just have to stick with the foreign-born...

    Gentlemen, Good Luck, Gentlemen..

  57. Talha says:
    @Truth
    Talha, there are just really, really unhappy people here.

    Hey Truth,

    I do think internet forums tend to attract unhappy/frustrated people. Maybe it’s a form of catharsis.

    I also think there is something very disturbing about anonymous forums in general – I think it seems to bring out the inner demons in normal people. I know I have had to dig really deep into my spiritual training to prevent myself from going ballistic at times – it’s like a candy store for the ego.

    Anyway, Katy has made practically all the mistakes that I don’t want my daughter making. But if she did and she was working on correcting her life, I would hope people would be lifting her up and not lining up to crush her hopes.

    Peace.

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  58. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    For non-Chinese co-ethnics, foreigners are welcomed only as professionals in sectors facing skills scarcity on an ad-hoc basis. English teachers are considered as oversupplied(though still welcome for more rural provinces).

    You can pursue other venues, but usually Chinese companies wouldn't hire English teachers for other positions since that's such a common method of entrance and often indicative of someone without other skills. Probably the best way to enter would be to have a good engineering degree and then applying to Huawei, etc.

    Essentially HB1 in reverse.

    Hey Dan, I’ve been thinking about a GREAT business opportunity. You and I could move to China 6 months a year and start classes in coolness, sensuality, and savoir faire for Chinese men. You don’t know me but trust me, I’m as cool as they come. How to talk to women, how to dress, swagger, be confident, athletic all that. You can set it up, I can teach the classes and you can put a few pictures up with your Quebecois wife! The businessmen will be eating out of our hands! Big $$$$$$$! How do we set this up? I even have a great name for it…

    冷静大学

    or

    该 大学 的倜傥

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    Small problem: Chinese women need men to have an apartment or its no go. Are you going to teach them about how to afford an apartment? Especially as you're looking for more traditional women, being "materialistic" isn't seen as negative and could even be seen as dutiful by "providing for family."

    How does this work with that?

    There's probably more opportunity in setting up mail order brides for Chinese men with SEA Asians or Ukranian women.
  59. @Truth
    Hey Dan, I've been thinking about a GREAT business opportunity. You and I could move to China 6 months a year and start classes in coolness, sensuality, and savoir faire for Chinese men. You don't know me but trust me, I'm as cool as they come. How to talk to women, how to dress, swagger, be confident, athletic all that. You can set it up, I can teach the classes and you can put a few pictures up with your Quebecois wife! The businessmen will be eating out of our hands! Big $$$$$$$! How do we set this up? I even have a great name for it...

    冷静大学

    or

    该 大学 的倜傥

    Small problem: Chinese women need men to have an apartment or its no go. Are you going to teach them about how to afford an apartment? Especially as you’re looking for more traditional women, being “materialistic” isn’t seen as negative and could even be seen as dutiful by “providing for family.”

    How does this work with that?

    There’s probably more opportunity in setting up mail order brides for Chinese men with SEA Asians or Ukranian women.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    No, I want to teach wealthy Chinese businessmen, how to be more "western." You brought up a few months ago, that Chinese men should learn how to be more physical and sensual. Kind of like "Game" classes but with more thrown in.

    We will start a 30 day program every month for six months and charge $1000 US to 50 Chinese businessmen after work. On being more physical and sensual. Imagine the $$$$$!
    , @Truth
    Actually, the mail-order bride idea is pretty good too though. Do a lot of Chinese men want to marry Ukranians, or is it taboo?
  60. @grapesoda
    Hi Linh, did you ever consider how much of the way you are treated in the Western World is because of your Asian appearance, ie inverse racial privilege?

    But what am I saying, I know that's impossible in your worldview. Not like your whole career is based on your Vietnamese-American racial privilege or anything...

    Look at me I can imitate Hemingway in passable English LOLLLLLLLLLL........ :) It's almost to the point of 85% competency... AND I CAME FROM VIETNAM!!! LOOK HOW FAR I'VE COME!!!! I'M A PROFESSOR NOW BECAUSE I CAME FROM VIETNAM AND NOW I'M A PROFESSOR!!!!!!!!

    Take your meds.

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  61. @Truth
    Talha, there are just really, really unhappy people here.

    ” there are just really, really unhappy people here”

    Says the guy who never makes an intelligent or interesting comment, just snark ,negativity and racial grievance all the time (and poorly at that).

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    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Truth


    Says the guy who never makes an intelligent or interesting comment, just snark ,negativity and racial grievance all the time (and poorly at that).
     
    Yeah, but I have THE TIME OF MY LIFE making these poor, snarky, negative, racially grievant comments, I LOVE that ish!
  62. @grapesoda
    Hi Linh, did you ever consider how much of the way you are treated in the Western World is because of your Asian appearance, ie inverse racial privilege?

    But what am I saying, I know that's impossible in your worldview. Not like your whole career is based on your Vietnamese-American racial privilege or anything...

    Look at me I can imitate Hemingway in passable English LOLLLLLLLLLL........ :) It's almost to the point of 85% competency... AND I CAME FROM VIETNAM!!! LOOK HOW FAR I'VE COME!!!! I'M A PROFESSOR NOW BECAUSE I CAME FROM VIETNAM AND NOW I'M A PROFESSOR!!!!!!!!

    Seems to write better than you, at the least.

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  63. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    You aren’t a pretty young woman who dates Drs and lawyers are you? The lawyers have cocaine and weed. The Drs have every kind of prescription drug including amyl nitrate and weed. No need to pay in either cash or sex.

    What are you guys, Sharia Court judges?

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  64. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Small problem: Chinese women need men to have an apartment or its no go. Are you going to teach them about how to afford an apartment? Especially as you're looking for more traditional women, being "materialistic" isn't seen as negative and could even be seen as dutiful by "providing for family."

    How does this work with that?

    There's probably more opportunity in setting up mail order brides for Chinese men with SEA Asians or Ukranian women.

    No, I want to teach wealthy Chinese businessmen, how to be more “western.” You brought up a few months ago, that Chinese men should learn how to be more physical and sensual. Kind of like “Game” classes but with more thrown in.

    We will start a 30 day program every month for six months and charge $1000 US to 50 Chinese businessmen after work. On being more physical and sensual. Imagine the $$$$$!

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Going by your business plan it would appear that despite the swagger you've affected you have yet to figure out an effective and reliable income stream for yourself at this stage.
  65. Truth says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    " there are just really, really unhappy people here"

    Says the guy who never makes an intelligent or interesting comment, just snark ,negativity and racial grievance all the time (and poorly at that).

    Says the guy who never makes an intelligent or interesting comment, just snark ,negativity and racial grievance all the time (and poorly at that).

    Yeah, but I have THE TIME OF MY LIFE making these poor, snarky, negative, racially grievant comments, I LOVE that ish!

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  66. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Small problem: Chinese women need men to have an apartment or its no go. Are you going to teach them about how to afford an apartment? Especially as you're looking for more traditional women, being "materialistic" isn't seen as negative and could even be seen as dutiful by "providing for family."

    How does this work with that?

    There's probably more opportunity in setting up mail order brides for Chinese men with SEA Asians or Ukranian women.

    Actually, the mail-order bride idea is pretty good too though. Do a lot of Chinese men want to marry Ukranians, or is it taboo?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Russian and related ethnic brides are pretty popular, though cultural difference is often a challenge. Some who are more okay with integrating work out pretty well. But money solves many problems.
  67. The comments here are interesting, but it seems to me more about posters feelings than what the story relates to.

    Look the basic facts of Katy life path are sad and reflect a decline in the overall happiness to society for, both men and women. For the vast majority of people, getting married, having a few kids and the companionship of a spouse and children in old age offers about the best possibilities of a relatively content life. For most people it is their true vocation and the best thing they leave behind when they shuffle of this earth, not some idiotic “cause” that will be forgotten about in 30 years. That is reality and it has not changed in 2,000 years.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Fundamentally the timeless truths of the differences between men and women were forgotten, replaced with pretty little lies that woman can have it all and act like men, which is blatantly untrue and always has been. Sexual dimorphism is a unavoidable truth of our existence.

    The fact is she was gifted with a good looks, likely in the top 3~5% of young women. Those are the 19 year olds getting invitations to go on private yachts and do drugs in exchange for their chaste treasures. Now if she had been wise she could have used that gift to get a decent husband, accomplished men are willing to provide a lot of resources to mate with good looking women who is not a slut. Wise women have always known this, but she, like so many of the last 40 years thought the rules did not apply to her and she could rut like a man, do drugs and recover from it when she wanted. Reality is much harsher. Once a woman flower passes(accelerated by hard living), they are pretty much invisible to men for the rest of their life.

    Reality is that the men who would be good husbands and spent their 20s working to get ahead do not want to marry a ex-druggies or a women who spent her prime fertility years being used as a sperm repository. Any temptation to marry such a women in their late 20s/early 30s when they still have some significant sexual market value is retarded by the fact that such women cannot form real family bonds with men. Too high a risk to take in this world.

    That is doubly true when you look at he asymmetric application of law. A man who has spent a decade of work to have sufficient resources to support a family has to be very careful in who he marries, the law will do get harm to him at the slightest whim of the wife. Add to that the fact that in our much harsher economy it can often take a man 10 years or more to find a reasonably successful track, well, successful men are loath to risk that on such a women.

    Now from my observation a lot of men who went though the divorce grind, or failed to find a suitable wife are not particularly sympathetic to the plight of 43 year old women like this. Her inability to understand reality when young and the affect on her attitudes precludes it. She is not entirely to blame, somewhere in the last 40 years female wisdom was lost and the world was full of folks willing to lie to her, to tell here she could have it all. But for the most part it seems that the young women so fooled did so willingly, ignoring the older women in their family who had the truth to tell. That is why men are not particularly sympathetic. I would also point out older women have no sympathy for the older men who did not get married and have a family or achieve financial success, so the lack of empathy seems to go both ways.

    Which ultimately is very sad. a great deal of unhappiness for both genders has come out of the last 40 years of social stupidity and failure to “grook” reality. Unattached older middle aged females are for the most part looking at a pretty grim last 30 years of existence, with a lot of loneliness and time to ponder the missed opportunities.

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    Not merely the US. Modernity itself has become a twisted and destructive force, though it takes its victims through childlessness and suicide. We live in a post-happiness world, for through we wield the power of gods, we have the wisdom of the animate mud that we are, and so we divinely bring ourselves ever more filth, until we shall all drown beneath our refuse, still seeking diversion and distraction and glorifying our progress with our last, fetid, stinking breath.

    This is what we deserve.
    , @Art

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    Gee – sex, drugs, and rock and roll, as a way of life, is not working out so good.

    These sixties manifestations are barring bitter fruit. The sins of the mother have fallen on the daughter.

    The sheer and utter disregard for everyday conventional virtues, have born unhappy Katys and arrogant Colberts.

    Peace --- Art
    , @Pat the Rat

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    I'll join this party of comments about this paragraph.

    Obama the other day gave another speech about "not giving up our freedoms".

    That would be the "freedoms" to kill your own babies, divorce you wife and kids, have sex with your own kind or any damn thing you want, never have kids, never grow up, never stop chasing anyone and everyone for sex, curse God, hate everyone except yourself, devote you life to making as much money as you can and screw everyone else, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Those freedoms have come with a pretty heavy price tag, just as the Catholic church has been predicting for many years. The only institution in the world to really oppose all of this.
  68. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US.
     
    They have to let me in. I was born here, I'm a citizen.

    Did they let him out?
     
    Not yet, but they will. I left Philly a couple of weeks ago but I'm still in the U.S. at this moment.

    They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen.

    Come on. The rules can be changed. But since America and West are in the mood for opening borders to everybody you should be OK.

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345

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    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345
     

    I read that soon after you wrote it and my impression is that the reasoning is on the right track. Probably. I am certainly never claiming that I have any real inside knowledge of these things. I mostly just know that the official story is always nonsense.

    Now, as regards, your response to the Alden creature there, it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to "kill and injure so many".

    Now, first of all, I have no idea how many real victims there were (if any). That is an open question to me, so the question contains question-begging.

    BUT... more importantly, the assumption is that there is an onus on you to explain why the authorities would do something like this. Well, is there not an onus on the other side of the debate to explain why some political movement in the MIddle East would want to kill some random civilians in Berlin? We are expected to believe that they also wanted to kill some random homos in a gay bar in Orlando, Florida. And so on and so on.

    The assumption is that you (or "we") generally must explain the reasons for this Gladio B strategy of tension psy-op to them, but they don't have to explain to us why ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called would want to do these things? They want to establish a "Caliphate" in the greater Middle East? Fine. How do they further that aim by killing some random pansies in a fag bar in Florida? Or some rather obnoxious cartoonists in Paris or....

    My position as regards debating these people is that every opportunity to turn the tables on them should be taken. For example, when Fred wrote his idiotic, dishonest, vile "Legion of the Tinfoil Hat" article, I believe that the correct strategy is, at every opportunity, to ask that Fred outline the strongest evidence for the official 9/11 story.

    When you turn the tables on these people and ask them to answer a question, they typically just shrivel up like the Wicked Witch of the West.

    Their whole strategy is just to demand that you answer their questions. What I find rather disheartening is that just about everybody lets them get away with it.

  69. utu says:
    @Китайский дурак
    What about some compassion for a rather unfortunate woman? You guys seem to harbor some bitterness towards American women overall? I attended one college which was called "Kremlin on the Crum" which in 1984 was full of leftie self righteous Jewish kids (those of you who really are from Philly and are over 50 years will know which one I am referring to. Media - Wallingford? I remember the time when Lansdowne was blue collar white...) I screwed up my prescribed successful immigrant career. I nursed on partially justified, partially imagined feelings of insult, related to being a man of Asian appearance caught inside a social circle full of preppy white guys and girls, for many years... but deep in my heart, I always understood that nursing feelings of bitterness and insult was not the biggest favor I could have done myself. So, in short, even though my American life ( former) coincided with the empire's irreversible decline, and even though my accounts were paper thin and my household consisted of me and not even a cat, at the height of mid-age crisis, I found the grits to move on. And I send a big teary hug to good old decrepit Philly, a genuine hi to all you guys, and this piece of reflection: moving on without rancor, is the best way. And thank you Mr Linh. I shall be your loyal reader from now on. From Charles the Chinese Old Fool, newly settled in Leningrad, nowadays called Petersburg.

    Perhaps you could write postcards from Russia? It would be interesting.

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  70. @Sam the Man
    The comments here are interesting, but it seems to me more about posters feelings than what the story relates to.

    Look the basic facts of Katy life path are sad and reflect a decline in the overall happiness to society for, both men and women. For the vast majority of people, getting married, having a few kids and the companionship of a spouse and children in old age offers about the best possibilities of a relatively content life. For most people it is their true vocation and the best thing they leave behind when they shuffle of this earth, not some idiotic "cause" that will be forgotten about in 30 years. That is reality and it has not changed in 2,000 years.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Fundamentally the timeless truths of the differences between men and women were forgotten, replaced with pretty little lies that woman can have it all and act like men, which is blatantly untrue and always has been. Sexual dimorphism is a unavoidable truth of our existence.

    The fact is she was gifted with a good looks, likely in the top 3~5% of young women. Those are the 19 year olds getting invitations to go on private yachts and do drugs in exchange for their chaste treasures. Now if she had been wise she could have used that gift to get a decent husband, accomplished men are willing to provide a lot of resources to mate with good looking women who is not a slut. Wise women have always known this, but she, like so many of the last 40 years thought the rules did not apply to her and she could rut like a man, do drugs and recover from it when she wanted. Reality is much harsher. Once a woman flower passes(accelerated by hard living), they are pretty much invisible to men for the rest of their life.

    Reality is that the men who would be good husbands and spent their 20s working to get ahead do not want to marry a ex-druggies or a women who spent her prime fertility years being used as a sperm repository. Any temptation to marry such a women in their late 20s/early 30s when they still have some significant sexual market value is retarded by the fact that such women cannot form real family bonds with men. Too high a risk to take in this world.

    That is doubly true when you look at he asymmetric application of law. A man who has spent a decade of work to have sufficient resources to support a family has to be very careful in who he marries, the law will do get harm to him at the slightest whim of the wife. Add to that the fact that in our much harsher economy it can often take a man 10 years or more to find a reasonably successful track, well, successful men are loath to risk that on such a women.

    Now from my observation a lot of men who went though the divorce grind, or failed to find a suitable wife are not particularly sympathetic to the plight of 43 year old women like this. Her inability to understand reality when young and the affect on her attitudes precludes it. She is not entirely to blame, somewhere in the last 40 years female wisdom was lost and the world was full of folks willing to lie to her, to tell here she could have it all. But for the most part it seems that the young women so fooled did so willingly, ignoring the older women in their family who had the truth to tell. That is why men are not particularly sympathetic. I would also point out older women have no sympathy for the older men who did not get married and have a family or achieve financial success, so the lack of empathy seems to go both ways.

    Which ultimately is very sad. a great deal of unhappiness for both genders has come out of the last 40 years of social stupidity and failure to "grook" reality. Unattached older middle aged females are for the most part looking at a pretty grim last 30 years of existence, with a lot of loneliness and time to ponder the missed opportunities.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Not merely the US. Modernity itself has become a twisted and destructive force, though it takes its victims through childlessness and suicide. We live in a post-happiness world, for through we wield the power of gods, we have the wisdom of the animate mud that we are, and so we divinely bring ourselves ever more filth, until we shall all drown beneath our refuse, still seeking diversion and distraction and glorifying our progress with our last, fetid, stinking breath.

    This is what we deserve.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    This is what we deserve.
     
    Might be what YOU deserve there, Drippy. It ain't what most of us out HERE deserve.
    , @Talha
    Dang - that was deep - really black, but deep.

    Peace.
  71. @Truth
    Well then Jim, you should do what your cohort is dying to do; marry a young, submissive*, nubile Chinese or Mexican woman, have Asian or Mestizo children, and then come here for the next 20 years and complain about interracial relationships ruining white society!

    (*Pretty much a myth from what I have seen with my own eyes, but the myth does seem to persist.)

    Truth, Good Takes, Dood! And, I’m way ahead of you, but I won’t be marrying. Ha, I’m 60, divorced from an I’m Not Haaaapy divorce since 1992 from a marriage of 7 years. I tore up my husband card, got a vasectomy and enjoyed the many fruits of Bill Clinton’s Washington. I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second. She’s a graphics chick, she designs kitchens for the rich and infamous, he’s loaded ok too.

    Me? I haven’t laid dick 1 on an American chick in 20 years, merely a mix of Asians, Brazilians of German descent and a couple of Guatos, all of them mostly White chicks from elsewhere. Asians are White chicks to me, only slender. But in the advent of third-wave feminism, single and divorced American women are just foul after thirty, thirty-five, they’re on my pay-no-mind list. I wouldn’t burden my motorcycle with their rancor and their nasty, high-traffic asses. I’ll sleep with them, in between but for companions, ya just have to stick with the foreign-born…

    Gentlemen, Good Luck, Gentlemen..

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    God bless you, Jim Christian, and God bless your daughter and her family.
    You did well, teaching her this:

    ... I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second.
     
    Что за комиссия, создатель,
    Быть взрослой дочери отцом.
    (Горе от Ума, Грибоедов)
    Oh, My God, what a difficult task --- to be a father of a grown-up daughter.
    , @Anon
    The most depressing thing in this article was the death of the neighborhood in Philly; but the apparent end-of-the-line reproductively speaking, of Katy, is interesting.
    Except perhaps for Talha, none of these comments would convince many young women like Katy of the error of their ways, or that being invisible is a bad thing. Probably girls who were visible, were trying to become invisible. Mr. C. reminds me of match.com circa 1999. He's a scream.
    What Katy is doing is pre-empting what even women in those halcyon days of yore feared: relationships ending badly anyway. They do need to put peddle to the metal when it comes to kid-making though. It is indeed an act of audacity for a woman to pass her 25th year at all, much less un-reproduced. But then they'd rag on her for having illegitimate or crazy kids.

    Still, lighten up already. Many older women (single/married/various intermediate conditions) are much happier and have more equilibrium than in their youth, with many interests and some even have "boyfriends" they are not supposed to be capable of attracting. Men too, do fine if they just get over regretting their youth. I thought mens' life spans were increasing because I know at least 15 friends/family whose wives died first, 2-20 years earlier, and these men traveled, made merry-widower although my dad said it was harder for a man to be alone. Jury is still out on that. Youth is, indeed, wasted on the young. Leonard Cohen said that his life was a long depression until he hit sixty or so, and a cloud lifted and he felt normal. Each decade is happier than the one before, I'm finding. There's a feeling of being free, belonging to yourself, rarely caring if people notice you, at least in the way it meant in youth. It's like being a kid again, but with the wisdom and experience of age (and unfortunately the body.) To paraphrase Pascal, it helps if you have some kind of spiritual faith, if you believe this life to be a phase, not the end; and if it isn't, you wouldn't know.
  72. @Daniel Chieh

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    Not merely the US. Modernity itself has become a twisted and destructive force, though it takes its victims through childlessness and suicide. We live in a post-happiness world, for through we wield the power of gods, we have the wisdom of the animate mud that we are, and so we divinely bring ourselves ever more filth, until we shall all drown beneath our refuse, still seeking diversion and distraction and glorifying our progress with our last, fetid, stinking breath.

    This is what we deserve.

    This is what we deserve.

    Might be what YOU deserve there, Drippy. It ain’t what most of us out HERE deserve.

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  73. @Truth
    Actually, the mail-order bride idea is pretty good too though. Do a lot of Chinese men want to marry Ukranians, or is it taboo?

    Russian and related ethnic brides are pretty popular, though cultural difference is often a challenge. Some who are more okay with integrating work out pretty well. But money solves many problems.

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  74. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    Not merely the US. Modernity itself has become a twisted and destructive force, though it takes its victims through childlessness and suicide. We live in a post-happiness world, for through we wield the power of gods, we have the wisdom of the animate mud that we are, and so we divinely bring ourselves ever more filth, until we shall all drown beneath our refuse, still seeking diversion and distraction and glorifying our progress with our last, fetid, stinking breath.

    This is what we deserve.

    Dang – that was deep – really black, but deep.

    Peace.

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  75. @Jim Christian
    Truth, Good Takes, Dood! And, I'm way ahead of you, but I won't be marrying. Ha, I'm 60, divorced from an I'm Not Haaaapy divorce since 1992 from a marriage of 7 years. I tore up my husband card, got a vasectomy and enjoyed the many fruits of Bill Clinton's Washington. I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second. She's a graphics chick, she designs kitchens for the rich and infamous, he's loaded ok too.

    Me? I haven't laid dick 1 on an American chick in 20 years, merely a mix of Asians, Brazilians of German descent and a couple of Guatos, all of them mostly White chicks from elsewhere. Asians are White chicks to me, only slender. But in the advent of third-wave feminism, single and divorced American women are just foul after thirty, thirty-five, they're on my pay-no-mind list. I wouldn't burden my motorcycle with their rancor and their nasty, high-traffic asses. I'll sleep with them, in between but for companions, ya just have to stick with the foreign-born...

    Gentlemen, Good Luck, Gentlemen..

    God bless you, Jim Christian, and God bless your daughter and her family.
    You did well, teaching her this:

    … I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second.

    Что за комиссия, создатель,
    Быть взрослой дочери отцом.
    (Горе от Ума, Грибоедов)
    Oh, My God, what a difficult task — to be a father of a grown-up daughter.

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  76. Sam J. says:
    @JackOH
    js, you block-quoted pretty much what caught my eye, too. A student writer working for the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai published an astounding series of articles in the local university paper this past year on living in China. The wealth and public civility of China has, if I'm reading correctly, rocked her socks off.

    Even in the heyday of immigration to the States in the 19th and 20th centuries, some one-third of immigrants left, and it's almost a sure bet a good percentage of the remainder had doubts about the price they'd paid for living in the States.

    What's really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it's so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that've consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets.

    “…What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets…”

    That’s because they killed about 80 million??100 million??? of their own people while waving around little red books. I admit the US has made tons of mistakes but when did we make any that bad?

    A large part of our interfering into others affairs is due to #1 the cold war against the USSR (started by the Jews) and then afterwards by Jews taking over our foreign policy to attack Israel and bankers interest. It doesn’t help that the Jews used leveraged buy outs to move all our manufacturing to China.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Sam J,

    Chinese history has had some really, really bloody episodes:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/bloodiest-conflicts-in-chinese-history-2014-10

    But, fortunately for the rest of the world, the Chinese - with a few exceptions - have only been interested in their local sphere of influence. Some of our regular commentators with Chinese background could shed light on why that has culturally and historically been the case.

    Peace.
  77. @Truth
    No, I want to teach wealthy Chinese businessmen, how to be more "western." You brought up a few months ago, that Chinese men should learn how to be more physical and sensual. Kind of like "Game" classes but with more thrown in.

    We will start a 30 day program every month for six months and charge $1000 US to 50 Chinese businessmen after work. On being more physical and sensual. Imagine the $$$$$!

    Going by your business plan it would appear that despite the swagger you’ve affected you have yet to figure out an effective and reliable income stream for yourself at this stage.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    You are correct in the strictest sense of the phrase "at this stage."

    I made six figures overseas for the last three years and 7 months ago returned home to start a consulting business. I was offered a promotion by the same company I left and turned it down, likewise a job in Bahrain, and was a finalist for positions in Japan and Italy which I did not receive, and am on the wait list for a position in Germany which, similarly I would probably turn down.

    But my friend, that's what entrepreneurs do, they look for unattended markets that are superior to the one they compete in now.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    He's pretty silly but for what it is worth, its true that taking measured risks and having confidence is important for getting ahead in life. I've seen far too many gifted young men fall behind because they're too scared to even try for another job.
  78. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Christian
    Truth, Good Takes, Dood! And, I'm way ahead of you, but I won't be marrying. Ha, I'm 60, divorced from an I'm Not Haaaapy divorce since 1992 from a marriage of 7 years. I tore up my husband card, got a vasectomy and enjoyed the many fruits of Bill Clinton's Washington. I raise my daughter and got it through her head no man wants you after thirty. She married her college sweetheart at 22, they had their first baby last month at age 25 and already are plotting the second. She's a graphics chick, she designs kitchens for the rich and infamous, he's loaded ok too.

    Me? I haven't laid dick 1 on an American chick in 20 years, merely a mix of Asians, Brazilians of German descent and a couple of Guatos, all of them mostly White chicks from elsewhere. Asians are White chicks to me, only slender. But in the advent of third-wave feminism, single and divorced American women are just foul after thirty, thirty-five, they're on my pay-no-mind list. I wouldn't burden my motorcycle with their rancor and their nasty, high-traffic asses. I'll sleep with them, in between but for companions, ya just have to stick with the foreign-born...

    Gentlemen, Good Luck, Gentlemen..

    The most depressing thing in this article was the death of the neighborhood in Philly; but the apparent end-of-the-line reproductively speaking, of Katy, is interesting.
    Except perhaps for Talha, none of these comments would convince many young women like Katy of the error of their ways, or that being invisible is a bad thing. Probably girls who were visible, were trying to become invisible. Mr. C. reminds me of match.com circa 1999. He’s a scream.
    What Katy is doing is pre-empting what even women in those halcyon days of yore feared: relationships ending badly anyway. They do need to put peddle to the metal when it comes to kid-making though. It is indeed an act of audacity for a woman to pass her 25th year at all, much less un-reproduced. But then they’d rag on her for having illegitimate or crazy kids.

    Still, lighten up already. Many older women (single/married/various intermediate conditions) are much happier and have more equilibrium than in their youth, with many interests and some even have “boyfriends” they are not supposed to be capable of attracting. Men too, do fine if they just get over regretting their youth. I thought mens’ life spans were increasing because I know at least 15 friends/family whose wives died first, 2-20 years earlier, and these men traveled, made merry-widower although my dad said it was harder for a man to be alone. Jury is still out on that. Youth is, indeed, wasted on the young. Leonard Cohen said that his life was a long depression until he hit sixty or so, and a cloud lifted and he felt normal. Each decade is happier than the one before, I’m finding. There’s a feeling of being free, belonging to yourself, rarely caring if people notice you, at least in the way it meant in youth. It’s like being a kid again, but with the wisdom and experience of age (and unfortunately the body.) To paraphrase Pascal, it helps if you have some kind of spiritual faith, if you believe this life to be a phase, not the end; and if it isn’t, you wouldn’t know.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.
  79. Truth says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Going by your business plan it would appear that despite the swagger you've affected you have yet to figure out an effective and reliable income stream for yourself at this stage.

    You are correct in the strictest sense of the phrase “at this stage.”

    I made six figures overseas for the last three years and 7 months ago returned home to start a consulting business. I was offered a promotion by the same company I left and turned it down, likewise a job in Bahrain, and was a finalist for positions in Japan and Italy which I did not receive, and am on the wait list for a position in Germany which, similarly I would probably turn down.

    But my friend, that’s what entrepreneurs do, they look for unattended markets that are superior to the one they compete in now.

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  80. @NoseytheDuke
    Going by your business plan it would appear that despite the swagger you've affected you have yet to figure out an effective and reliable income stream for yourself at this stage.

    He’s pretty silly but for what it is worth, its true that taking measured risks and having confidence is important for getting ahead in life. I’ve seen far too many gifted young men fall behind because they’re too scared to even try for another job.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Danilo, I thnk you misunderstand; YOU came up with the idea! Im just piggybacking off your genius!

    Success is tapping an untapped market.
  81. Talha says:
    @Sam J.
    "...What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets..."

    That's because they killed about 80 million??100 million??? of their own people while waving around little red books. I admit the US has made tons of mistakes but when did we make any that bad?

    A large part of our interfering into others affairs is due to #1 the cold war against the USSR (started by the Jews) and then afterwards by Jews taking over our foreign policy to attack Israel and bankers interest. It doesn't help that the Jews used leveraged buy outs to move all our manufacturing to China.

    Hey Sam J,

    Chinese history has had some really, really bloody episodes:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/bloodiest-conflicts-in-chinese-history-2014-10

    But, fortunately for the rest of the world, the Chinese – with a few exceptions – have only been interested in their local sphere of influence. Some of our regular commentators with Chinese background could shed light on why that has culturally and historically been the case.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    only been interested in their local sphere of influence.

    Hide in the bushes and watch.

    Until now they have not possessed the military/ economic power for projection.

    To say that they did not do something in the past for which they did not have the capability to implement is not informative.

  82. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's pretty silly but for what it is worth, its true that taking measured risks and having confidence is important for getting ahead in life. I've seen far too many gifted young men fall behind because they're too scared to even try for another job.

    Danilo, I thnk you misunderstand; YOU came up with the idea! Im just piggybacking off your genius!

    Success is tapping an untapped market.

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  83. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam J,

    Chinese history has had some really, really bloody episodes:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/bloodiest-conflicts-in-chinese-history-2014-10

    But, fortunately for the rest of the world, the Chinese - with a few exceptions - have only been interested in their local sphere of influence. Some of our regular commentators with Chinese background could shed light on why that has culturally and historically been the case.

    Peace.

    only been interested in their local sphere of influence.

    Hide in the bushes and watch.

    Until now they have not possessed the military/ economic power for projection.

    To say that they did not do something in the past for which they did not have the capability to implement is not informative.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    There is truth in this. I mean, Spain did kind of explode on the world scene in the 16th century. But various dynasties were neighbors of Siam and the Khmer and other Indo-Chinese region. I don't know history of that area that too well, but did the Chinese ever care to invade those places?

    I guess we'll see - but I do hope Chinese are smart enough to learn from the mistakes of previous empires. I'll be honest, an imperialist China scares me more than other imperial attempts just because of the kind of casualties they are willing to take when they fight. Maybe it's because the fighting has been on their turf - they may not fight as hard for access to cheap oil or something. Especially when they can just cut a good deal instead.

    Peace.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    I'll say that historically the Chinese seem to lack "valor" for large scale military operations; this may be basically hereditary. A lot of missionaries visiting China commented on it; China certainly did have a great deal of military/economic power in the past and as the missionaries noted, any European power with the same degree of power would at least [i]try[/i] to do something with it.

    I expect the Chinese to continue to try to exert economic and political dominance, while minimizing the use of large scale military force. Its notable, I mean, that military intervention does seem costly and counterproductive, so it would see that would be learning the wrong lesson in the last 50 or so years of US history.

    I just don't see a major imperialist China. I mean, what's the gain? You have to invite the world if you invade the world, it seems. Is there a lack of Chinese at the moment such that the world needs to be invited?

    , @NoseytheDuke
    The Chinese have had the benefit of Sun Tzu's wisdom for something like the last 3000 years.

    War can be the death of a nation. War should be avoided whenever possible. A wise leader conserves his military strength. When war is unavoidable there are five essential criteria for victory. When all five are not present the war must be swift and decisive. In a long war shortages and profiteering will occur and the people will suffer and become disillusioned with their leadership and then the nation itself will be imperilled.

    Simple wisdom really and interesting how US foreign policy always ignores every last bit of it.
  84. Talha says:
    @iffen
    only been interested in their local sphere of influence.

    Hide in the bushes and watch.

    Until now they have not possessed the military/ economic power for projection.

    To say that they did not do something in the past for which they did not have the capability to implement is not informative.

    Hey iffen,

    There is truth in this. I mean, Spain did kind of explode on the world scene in the 16th century. But various dynasties were neighbors of Siam and the Khmer and other Indo-Chinese region. I don’t know history of that area that too well, but did the Chinese ever care to invade those places?

    I guess we’ll see – but I do hope Chinese are smart enough to learn from the mistakes of previous empires. I’ll be honest, an imperialist China scares me more than other imperial attempts just because of the kind of casualties they are willing to take when they fight. Maybe it’s because the fighting has been on their turf – they may not fight as hard for access to cheap oil or something. Especially when they can just cut a good deal instead.

    Peace.

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    The Chinese have invaded Vietnam several times just in the past century.
  85. JL says:
    @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    There is truth in this. I mean, Spain did kind of explode on the world scene in the 16th century. But various dynasties were neighbors of Siam and the Khmer and other Indo-Chinese region. I don't know history of that area that too well, but did the Chinese ever care to invade those places?

    I guess we'll see - but I do hope Chinese are smart enough to learn from the mistakes of previous empires. I'll be honest, an imperialist China scares me more than other imperial attempts just because of the kind of casualties they are willing to take when they fight. Maybe it's because the fighting has been on their turf - they may not fight as hard for access to cheap oil or something. Especially when they can just cut a good deal instead.

    Peace.

    The Chinese have invaded Vietnam several times just in the past century.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Well, there you go...though that still, somewhat, agrees with my point that they've kept their foot print fairly local - for instance, they're also in Tibet and Xinjiang (aka 'Chinese Turkestan' in the old-school terminology):
    http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/china/guidesources/britishactivities/large14125.html

    I guess one can argue the meaning of 'local'. If I see Chinese expeditionary forces in South America or Africa, I'll definitely change my mind.

    Peace.

  86. @iffen
    only been interested in their local sphere of influence.

    Hide in the bushes and watch.

    Until now they have not possessed the military/ economic power for projection.

    To say that they did not do something in the past for which they did not have the capability to implement is not informative.

    I’ll say that historically the Chinese seem to lack “valor” for large scale military operations; this may be basically hereditary. A lot of missionaries visiting China commented on it; China certainly did have a great deal of military/economic power in the past and as the missionaries noted, any European power with the same degree of power would at least [i]try[/i] to do something with it.

    I expect the Chinese to continue to try to exert economic and political dominance, while minimizing the use of large scale military force. Its notable, I mean, that military intervention does seem costly and counterproductive, so it would see that would be learning the wrong lesson in the last 50 or so years of US history.

    I just don’t see a major imperialist China. I mean, what’s the gain? You have to invite the world if you invade the world, it seems. Is there a lack of Chinese at the moment such that the world needs to be invited?

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  87. Talha says:
    @JL
    The Chinese have invaded Vietnam several times just in the past century.

    Well, there you go…though that still, somewhat, agrees with my point that they’ve kept their foot print fairly local – for instance, they’re also in Tibet and Xinjiang (aka ‘Chinese Turkestan’ in the old-school terminology):

    http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/china/guidesources/britishactivities/large14125.html

    I guess one can argue the meaning of ‘local’. If I see Chinese expeditionary forces in South America or Africa, I’ll definitely change my mind.

    Peace.

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  88. Art says:
    @Alden
    Why don't you marry her, pay for fertility treatments and have kids with her? What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn't have children?

    What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn’t have children?

    Alden,

    When the author wrote this article, he put her life open for discussion.

    This woman has had an interesting life – she is not poor – she has talents and wherewithal – she is not a victim. She rejected marriage and children four times. Yet at 43, she is empty and sad. There are happy people who never marry and have children – clearly she is not one of them.

    My point is that she may have been happier if she had children – that is not an outrageous point of view.

    I expressed the age-old fact that most women are happy with an ongoing nest of family people around them.

    I refuse to except the charge of sexist for saying that.

    Peace — Art

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    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.
    , @Alden
    You're such a Yenta, a poking, prying, busybody who constantly disparages and criticizes others and is totally disliked by family and neighbors for her nasty gossip.
  89. Art says:
    @Sam the Man
    The comments here are interesting, but it seems to me more about posters feelings than what the story relates to.

    Look the basic facts of Katy life path are sad and reflect a decline in the overall happiness to society for, both men and women. For the vast majority of people, getting married, having a few kids and the companionship of a spouse and children in old age offers about the best possibilities of a relatively content life. For most people it is their true vocation and the best thing they leave behind when they shuffle of this earth, not some idiotic "cause" that will be forgotten about in 30 years. That is reality and it has not changed in 2,000 years.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Fundamentally the timeless truths of the differences between men and women were forgotten, replaced with pretty little lies that woman can have it all and act like men, which is blatantly untrue and always has been. Sexual dimorphism is a unavoidable truth of our existence.

    The fact is she was gifted with a good looks, likely in the top 3~5% of young women. Those are the 19 year olds getting invitations to go on private yachts and do drugs in exchange for their chaste treasures. Now if she had been wise she could have used that gift to get a decent husband, accomplished men are willing to provide a lot of resources to mate with good looking women who is not a slut. Wise women have always known this, but she, like so many of the last 40 years thought the rules did not apply to her and she could rut like a man, do drugs and recover from it when she wanted. Reality is much harsher. Once a woman flower passes(accelerated by hard living), they are pretty much invisible to men for the rest of their life.

    Reality is that the men who would be good husbands and spent their 20s working to get ahead do not want to marry a ex-druggies or a women who spent her prime fertility years being used as a sperm repository. Any temptation to marry such a women in their late 20s/early 30s when they still have some significant sexual market value is retarded by the fact that such women cannot form real family bonds with men. Too high a risk to take in this world.

    That is doubly true when you look at he asymmetric application of law. A man who has spent a decade of work to have sufficient resources to support a family has to be very careful in who he marries, the law will do get harm to him at the slightest whim of the wife. Add to that the fact that in our much harsher economy it can often take a man 10 years or more to find a reasonably successful track, well, successful men are loath to risk that on such a women.

    Now from my observation a lot of men who went though the divorce grind, or failed to find a suitable wife are not particularly sympathetic to the plight of 43 year old women like this. Her inability to understand reality when young and the affect on her attitudes precludes it. She is not entirely to blame, somewhere in the last 40 years female wisdom was lost and the world was full of folks willing to lie to her, to tell here she could have it all. But for the most part it seems that the young women so fooled did so willingly, ignoring the older women in their family who had the truth to tell. That is why men are not particularly sympathetic. I would also point out older women have no sympathy for the older men who did not get married and have a family or achieve financial success, so the lack of empathy seems to go both ways.

    Which ultimately is very sad. a great deal of unhappiness for both genders has come out of the last 40 years of social stupidity and failure to "grook" reality. Unattached older middle aged females are for the most part looking at a pretty grim last 30 years of existence, with a lot of loneliness and time to ponder the missed opportunities.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Gee – sex, drugs, and rock and roll, as a way of life, is not working out so good.

    These sixties manifestations are barring bitter fruit. The sins of the mother have fallen on the daughter.

    The sheer and utter disregard for everyday conventional virtues, have born unhappy Katys and arrogant Colberts.

    Peace — Art

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  90. Alden says:
    @Anon
    The most depressing thing in this article was the death of the neighborhood in Philly; but the apparent end-of-the-line reproductively speaking, of Katy, is interesting.
    Except perhaps for Talha, none of these comments would convince many young women like Katy of the error of their ways, or that being invisible is a bad thing. Probably girls who were visible, were trying to become invisible. Mr. C. reminds me of match.com circa 1999. He's a scream.
    What Katy is doing is pre-empting what even women in those halcyon days of yore feared: relationships ending badly anyway. They do need to put peddle to the metal when it comes to kid-making though. It is indeed an act of audacity for a woman to pass her 25th year at all, much less un-reproduced. But then they'd rag on her for having illegitimate or crazy kids.

    Still, lighten up already. Many older women (single/married/various intermediate conditions) are much happier and have more equilibrium than in their youth, with many interests and some even have "boyfriends" they are not supposed to be capable of attracting. Men too, do fine if they just get over regretting their youth. I thought mens' life spans were increasing because I know at least 15 friends/family whose wives died first, 2-20 years earlier, and these men traveled, made merry-widower although my dad said it was harder for a man to be alone. Jury is still out on that. Youth is, indeed, wasted on the young. Leonard Cohen said that his life was a long depression until he hit sixty or so, and a cloud lifted and he felt normal. Each decade is happier than the one before, I'm finding. There's a feeling of being free, belonging to yourself, rarely caring if people notice you, at least in the way it meant in youth. It's like being a kid again, but with the wisdom and experience of age (and unfortunately the body.) To paraphrase Pascal, it helps if you have some kind of spiritual faith, if you believe this life to be a phase, not the end; and if it isn't, you wouldn't know.

    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.

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    @Anon
    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.
     
    You responded to Anon but I take it you mean Mr.Jim One-and-done Christian. Any criticism of reproductive choices on my part was facetious. I really must think up another nom de plume.
  91. Alden says:
    @Art
    What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn’t have children?

    Alden,

    When the author wrote this article, he put her life open for discussion.

    This woman has had an interesting life – she is not poor – she has talents and wherewithal - she is not a victim. She rejected marriage and children four times. Yet at 43, she is empty and sad. There are happy people who never marry and have children – clearly she is not one of them.

    My point is that she may have been happier if she had children – that is not an outrageous point of view.

    I expressed the age-old fact that most women are happy with an ongoing nest of family people around them.

    I refuse to except the charge of sexist for saying that.

    Peace --- Art

    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

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    Alden,

    Yours is a perfect example of failing to see reality and wishing for a dream, a happy dream which is a lie.

    How does one not know she is not happy:

    1) The entire tone of the piece. She is lamenting the loss of days gone by, not discussing her happy circumstances or how she overcame adversity. The tone is not of triumph but of loss.

    2) She is 43. She was, by her description quite the looker in her youth. It would appear that stage of life was more or less gone around age 33. I do not know a single women who was able to turn heads on mass who, having lost that attribute, does not lament that loss. It is a critical part of female identity and even the bright women who knew it was coming , got married and are where they want to be at age 43 still find it hard.

    3) She says flat out she wishes she could go back to here happiest days as a young 19 year old in Miami. Confines point # 2

    4) She says she never saw herself back as a bartender in her mid 30s. back where she started at 18. The implication she had to come back from Miami at age 33 or so, there was nothing there for her. After 14 years spent there, what does that imply? Hint: folks flee for the safety of home/ known grounds when difficult times hit, they are seeking to reclaim youth in some way.

    5) She starts the piece by lamenting the decline of the area she grew up in. Now ponder that, parents dead, no husband, no children, male roommate recently passed and the home of youth corrupted or on the decline. Again.......what does that imply?

    4) Her greatest wish was to have children, she has none. She says how hard it is to see small children and have none of her own. This is true for 90% of women, their true vocation is children.

    5) She wants to be around children so much see volunteers to take care of disabled Vietnamese children, but she is not wanted even for that. Ouch.

    6) To do that she needs to finish a nursing degree, but her dead father, mother , friends and times she has been to the hospital to see of folks has left her with a permanent dislike of such institutions. She is (at best) nearly alone in the world, Ponder that implication, (women who were extroverts in youth do not handle solitude well).

    Taken together anyone with any experience in life would know this women is not particularly happy about life. She may not be miserable, but she surly is not happy or content . Self judgments of happiness surveys, singe employed female around age 42 are statistically the most miserable folks, as it is then when the reality of their next 30 years sinks in.

    None of the above is said to condemn the woman, far from it any normal person will feel sorrow and hope she is able to, after a period of introspection, find a way to successfully navigate the remaining 30 years of life left to her. Many folks do and I have in particular seen religious folks who manage to make a pretty good go of it. I believe the "blessed are the poor of spirit" applies in that case. But to deny reality is how the women got here in the first place.
    , @Art
    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

    Alden,

    Like Sam the Man, I think she is unhappy, because that is what the article says to me.

    I would say to Katy – mature life is just beginning for you – you have another 40 years to live. From no matter where you start your 40’s, no matter what your current position is, it gets better.

    I have observed that women really begin to live at the age of forty – that they gain maturity and wisdom in their 40’s, 50's, and 60’s. They become far more capable of seeing things as they really are.

    Men reach a zenith at 40 – after 40 they gain wisdom but lose biological drive. When a woman reaches forty, she loses her biological imperatives and responsibilities, but gains her freedom.

    Peace --- Art
  92. @iffen
    only been interested in their local sphere of influence.

    Hide in the bushes and watch.

    Until now they have not possessed the military/ economic power for projection.

    To say that they did not do something in the past for which they did not have the capability to implement is not informative.

    The Chinese have had the benefit of Sun Tzu’s wisdom for something like the last 3000 years.

    War can be the death of a nation. War should be avoided whenever possible. A wise leader conserves his military strength. When war is unavoidable there are five essential criteria for victory. When all five are not present the war must be swift and decisive. In a long war shortages and profiteering will occur and the people will suffer and become disillusioned with their leadership and then the nation itself will be imperilled.

    Simple wisdom really and interesting how US foreign policy always ignores every last bit of it.

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  93. @Alden
    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

    Alden,

    Yours is a perfect example of failing to see reality and wishing for a dream, a happy dream which is a lie.

    How does one not know she is not happy:

    1) The entire tone of the piece. She is lamenting the loss of days gone by, not discussing her happy circumstances or how she overcame adversity. The tone is not of triumph but of loss.

    2) She is 43. She was, by her description quite the looker in her youth. It would appear that stage of life was more or less gone around age 33. I do not know a single women who was able to turn heads on mass who, having lost that attribute, does not lament that loss. It is a critical part of female identity and even the bright women who knew it was coming , got married and are where they want to be at age 43 still find it hard.

    3) She says flat out she wishes she could go back to here happiest days as a young 19 year old in Miami. Confines point # 2

    4) She says she never saw herself back as a bartender in her mid 30s. back where she started at 18. The implication she had to come back from Miami at age 33 or so, there was nothing there for her. After 14 years spent there, what does that imply? Hint: folks flee for the safety of home/ known grounds when difficult times hit, they are seeking to reclaim youth in some way.

    5) She starts the piece by lamenting the decline of the area she grew up in. Now ponder that, parents dead, no husband, no children, male roommate recently passed and the home of youth corrupted or on the decline. Again…….what does that imply?

    4) Her greatest wish was to have children, she has none. She says how hard it is to see small children and have none of her own. This is true for 90% of women, their true vocation is children.

    5) She wants to be around children so much see volunteers to take care of disabled Vietnamese children, but she is not wanted even for that. Ouch.

    6) To do that she needs to finish a nursing degree, but her dead father, mother , friends and times she has been to the hospital to see of folks has left her with a permanent dislike of such institutions. She is (at best) nearly alone in the world, Ponder that implication, (women who were extroverts in youth do not handle solitude well).

    Taken together anyone with any experience in life would know this women is not particularly happy about life. She may not be miserable, but she surly is not happy or content . Self judgments of happiness surveys, singe employed female around age 42 are statistically the most miserable folks, as it is then when the reality of their next 30 years sinks in.

    None of the above is said to condemn the woman, far from it any normal person will feel sorrow and hope she is able to, after a period of introspection, find a way to successfully navigate the remaining 30 years of life left to her. Many folks do and I have in particular seen religious folks who manage to make a pretty good go of it. I believe the “blessed are the poor of spirit” applies in that case. But to deny reality is how the women got here in the first place.

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    Exactly. Additionally, implications of heavy drug and alcohol use are usually symptoms of depression.
    , @Alden
    She definitely is not in nursing school not was she ever admitted to a registered Nurse school. She may have taken an 8 week nurses aide course. But the pay for that is less than a bartender unless she gets in at a hospital with a pension. But she'd still take a big pay cut unless she worked 90 hours a week.
  94. @Sam thre Man
    Alden,

    Yours is a perfect example of failing to see reality and wishing for a dream, a happy dream which is a lie.

    How does one not know she is not happy:

    1) The entire tone of the piece. She is lamenting the loss of days gone by, not discussing her happy circumstances or how she overcame adversity. The tone is not of triumph but of loss.

    2) She is 43. She was, by her description quite the looker in her youth. It would appear that stage of life was more or less gone around age 33. I do not know a single women who was able to turn heads on mass who, having lost that attribute, does not lament that loss. It is a critical part of female identity and even the bright women who knew it was coming , got married and are where they want to be at age 43 still find it hard.

    3) She says flat out she wishes she could go back to here happiest days as a young 19 year old in Miami. Confines point # 2

    4) She says she never saw herself back as a bartender in her mid 30s. back where she started at 18. The implication she had to come back from Miami at age 33 or so, there was nothing there for her. After 14 years spent there, what does that imply? Hint: folks flee for the safety of home/ known grounds when difficult times hit, they are seeking to reclaim youth in some way.

    5) She starts the piece by lamenting the decline of the area she grew up in. Now ponder that, parents dead, no husband, no children, male roommate recently passed and the home of youth corrupted or on the decline. Again.......what does that imply?

    4) Her greatest wish was to have children, she has none. She says how hard it is to see small children and have none of her own. This is true for 90% of women, their true vocation is children.

    5) She wants to be around children so much see volunteers to take care of disabled Vietnamese children, but she is not wanted even for that. Ouch.

    6) To do that she needs to finish a nursing degree, but her dead father, mother , friends and times she has been to the hospital to see of folks has left her with a permanent dislike of such institutions. She is (at best) nearly alone in the world, Ponder that implication, (women who were extroverts in youth do not handle solitude well).

    Taken together anyone with any experience in life would know this women is not particularly happy about life. She may not be miserable, but she surly is not happy or content . Self judgments of happiness surveys, singe employed female around age 42 are statistically the most miserable folks, as it is then when the reality of their next 30 years sinks in.

    None of the above is said to condemn the woman, far from it any normal person will feel sorrow and hope she is able to, after a period of introspection, find a way to successfully navigate the remaining 30 years of life left to her. Many folks do and I have in particular seen religious folks who manage to make a pretty good go of it. I believe the "blessed are the poor of spirit" applies in that case. But to deny reality is how the women got here in the first place.

    Exactly. Additionally, implications of heavy drug and alcohol use are usually symptoms of depression.

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  95. Art says:
    @Alden
    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

    Alden,

    Like Sam the Man, I think she is unhappy, because that is what the article says to me.

    I would say to Katy – mature life is just beginning for you – you have another 40 years to live. From no matter where you start your 40’s, no matter what your current position is, it gets better.

    I have observed that women really begin to live at the age of forty – that they gain maturity and wisdom in their 40’s, 50′s, and 60’s. They become far more capable of seeing things as they really are.

    Men reach a zenith at 40 – after 40 they gain wisdom but lose biological drive. When a woman reaches forty, she loses her biological imperatives and responsibilities, but gains her freedom.

    Peace — Art

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    Hey Art,

    Anybody who ends an interview with these words...:

    I’m 43 and I don’t know what my goals are. It’s giving me a lot of anxiety. I can’t sleep at night. You have no idea.
     
    ...is certifiably unhappy. We should hope and pray for the best for her. Her success from her low point only helps the rest of society. If she further disintegrates, that will only have negative consequences for everyone else in her environment.

    Good points about the age of 40; it is indeed a special age.

    Peace.
  96. Talha says:
    @Art
    How do you know she is unhappy she never had children? There is nothing in the article that says she is unhappy.

    Alden,

    Like Sam the Man, I think she is unhappy, because that is what the article says to me.

    I would say to Katy – mature life is just beginning for you – you have another 40 years to live. From no matter where you start your 40’s, no matter what your current position is, it gets better.

    I have observed that women really begin to live at the age of forty – that they gain maturity and wisdom in their 40’s, 50's, and 60’s. They become far more capable of seeing things as they really are.

    Men reach a zenith at 40 – after 40 they gain wisdom but lose biological drive. When a woman reaches forty, she loses her biological imperatives and responsibilities, but gains her freedom.

    Peace --- Art

    Hey Art,

    Anybody who ends an interview with these words…:

    I’m 43 and I don’t know what my goals are. It’s giving me a lot of anxiety. I can’t sleep at night. You have no idea.

    …is certifiably unhappy. We should hope and pray for the best for her. Her success from her low point only helps the rest of society. If she further disintegrates, that will only have negative consequences for everyone else in her environment.

    Good points about the age of 40; it is indeed a special age.

    Peace.

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  97. @utu
    They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen.

    Come on. The rules can be changed. But since America and West are in the mood for opening borders to everybody you should be OK.

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345

    I read that soon after you wrote it and my impression is that the reasoning is on the right track. Probably. I am certainly never claiming that I have any real inside knowledge of these things. I mostly just know that the official story is always nonsense.

    Now, as regards, your response to the Alden creature there, it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to “kill and injure so many”.

    Now, first of all, I have no idea how many real victims there were (if any). That is an open question to me, so the question contains question-begging.

    BUT… more importantly, the assumption is that there is an onus on you to explain why the authorities would do something like this. Well, is there not an onus on the other side of the debate to explain why some political movement in the MIddle East would want to kill some random civilians in Berlin? We are expected to believe that they also wanted to kill some random homos in a gay bar in Orlando, Florida. And so on and so on.

    The assumption is that you (or “we”) generally must explain the reasons for this Gladio B strategy of tension psy-op to them, but they don’t have to explain to us why ISIS or ISIL or whatever they’re called would want to do these things? They want to establish a “Caliphate” in the greater Middle East? Fine. How do they further that aim by killing some random pansies in a fag bar in Florida? Or some rather obnoxious cartoonists in Paris or….

    My position as regards debating these people is that every opportunity to turn the tables on them should be taken. For example, when Fred wrote his idiotic, dishonest, vile “Legion of the Tinfoil Hat” article, I believe that the correct strategy is, at every opportunity, to ask that Fred outline the strongest evidence for the official 9/11 story.

    When you turn the tables on these people and ask them to answer a question, they typically just shrivel up like the Wicked Witch of the West.

    Their whole strategy is just to demand that you answer their questions. What I find rather disheartening is that just about everybody lets them get away with it.

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    it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to “kill and injure so many”.

    I have ignored that part of his question. I would not touch the issue how many people were killed and whether they were real on not. If it suppose to be a terror attack it suppose to create terror regardless whether it is organic or false flag. The false flag is still a terror attack just like the false flag by the Israeli man calling Jewish centers was to many Jews a real anti-semitic act. The numbers of victims (real or fake) must be adequate to accomplish the terror part. However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies. Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated. In my answer to him I tried to cover much broader topic.

    But I agree that turning the tables on these people is a good tactics. However if you want to win their mind you must present alternative plausible narratives because a reasonable doubt is not enough. A jury that hates the defendant will never acquit him on just a reasonable doubt.
    , @Alden
    I take it you believe in the David Ickes Lizard Overlord theory?
  98. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Alden
    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.


    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.

    You responded to Anon but I take it you mean Mr.Jim One-and-done Christian. Any criticism of reproductive choices on my part was facetious. I really must think up another nom de plume.

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    I think you just found it - "Nom de Plume" - pretty catchy actually. And sticks to the anonymous theme.

    Peace.

  99. Talha says:
    @Anon

    @Anon
    You had just ONE White child. So quit ragging on a total stranger who had none.
     
    You responded to Anon but I take it you mean Mr.Jim One-and-done Christian. Any criticism of reproductive choices on my part was facetious. I really must think up another nom de plume.

    I think you just found it – “Nom de Plume” – pretty catchy actually. And sticks to the anonymous theme.

    Peace.

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    I think you just found it – “Nom de Plume” – pretty catchy actually. And sticks to the anonymous theme.

    Good feeback. Maybe's I'll run with it.
  100. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345
     

    I read that soon after you wrote it and my impression is that the reasoning is on the right track. Probably. I am certainly never claiming that I have any real inside knowledge of these things. I mostly just know that the official story is always nonsense.

    Now, as regards, your response to the Alden creature there, it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to "kill and injure so many".

    Now, first of all, I have no idea how many real victims there were (if any). That is an open question to me, so the question contains question-begging.

    BUT... more importantly, the assumption is that there is an onus on you to explain why the authorities would do something like this. Well, is there not an onus on the other side of the debate to explain why some political movement in the MIddle East would want to kill some random civilians in Berlin? We are expected to believe that they also wanted to kill some random homos in a gay bar in Orlando, Florida. And so on and so on.

    The assumption is that you (or "we") generally must explain the reasons for this Gladio B strategy of tension psy-op to them, but they don't have to explain to us why ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called would want to do these things? They want to establish a "Caliphate" in the greater Middle East? Fine. How do they further that aim by killing some random pansies in a fag bar in Florida? Or some rather obnoxious cartoonists in Paris or....

    My position as regards debating these people is that every opportunity to turn the tables on them should be taken. For example, when Fred wrote his idiotic, dishonest, vile "Legion of the Tinfoil Hat" article, I believe that the correct strategy is, at every opportunity, to ask that Fred outline the strongest evidence for the official 9/11 story.

    When you turn the tables on these people and ask them to answer a question, they typically just shrivel up like the Wicked Witch of the West.

    Their whole strategy is just to demand that you answer their questions. What I find rather disheartening is that just about everybody lets them get away with it.

    it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to “kill and injure so many”.

    I have ignored that part of his question. I would not touch the issue how many people were killed and whether they were real on not. If it suppose to be a terror attack it suppose to create terror regardless whether it is organic or false flag. The false flag is still a terror attack just like the false flag by the Israeli man calling Jewish centers was to many Jews a real anti-semitic act. The numbers of victims (real or fake) must be adequate to accomplish the terror part. However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies. Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated. In my answer to him I tried to cover much broader topic.

    But I agree that turning the tables on these people is a good tactics. However if you want to win their mind you must present alternative plausible narratives because a reasonable doubt is not enough. A jury that hates the defendant will never acquit him on just a reasonable doubt.

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    However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies.
     
    Well, at this point, I am pretty certain that both things occur, though I don't know the relative frequencies. Also, you can have both things co-existing in the same event, some real victims and some phony victims. Obviously, there are false flag terrorist events with real victims, like 9/11 or the train bombings in Madrid. The bombing in the Bologna train station in the original Gladio campaign back in 1980 or so had, I think, something like 80 real victims. I'm pretty sure the bomb was real and the victims were real.

    On the other hand, when you look at some of these more recent things like Orlando or Sandy Hook or the Boston Marathon, it looks like the event may even be totally fake. Also even more recent stuff, mostly in France, like the Bataclan theater in Paris or the truck in Nice. Or, for example, have you seen the video of the cop supposedly shot in the head during the Charlie Hebdo incident, shot in the head with an AK-47 at point blank range and there is no blood. What is one to make of that?

    But the things aren't mutually exclusive either. If 50 people were supposedly killed in Orlando, maybe a few are real victims, were really killed, and the rest were phony. With 9/11, the airplanes component of the narrative seems to be completely phony and the victims in the planes may not be real victims for the most part. However, the towers were really blown up so they really killed people there.


    Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated.
     
    Well, yeah, it's certainly easier to shoot some people with a gun than to make a plane crash into a building, say. But in either case, if you can just say something happened and the MSM never questions it, then it effectively happened!

    In a previous conversation, I pointed out that I had looked for any video footage of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden and there is none! There's the video of some cars burning, but there is no video of anybody rioting. The streets are empty. Why mount a false flag and have your paid agent provocateur types rioting, probably shouting "Allahu Akhbar" and shit like that the whole while, when you can just say these Muslims were rioting and everybody believes you, nobody questions it.

    I mean to say, if you really control the media and you can just say something happened, why bother to make anything really happen? I know it's pretty mind-blowing, hard to get one's head around, but...

    But I agree that turning the tables on these people is a good tactics.
     
    Well, yeah, and that's really orthogonal to the questions above about whether you have things that are truly 100% hoaxes or people were killed. I was making the point that we should not miss the opportunity to ask these people to back up their side of the story.

    They want to say that 9/11 was orchestrated by the bearded guy in the cave, then let them tell us what the proof is for that. We are supposed to explain the motive of a false flag (and who did it and how and why and so on) but they are allowed to just take as a given that there really is some political movement in the Middle East, say, that wants to murder some fags in Orlando or some cartoonists in Paris or whatever.

    Just as a tactical question, it seems to me that every opportunity to turn the tables on these people should be capitalized on, that's all.
  101. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    I think you just found it - "Nom de Plume" - pretty catchy actually. And sticks to the anonymous theme.

    Peace.

    I think you just found it – “Nom de Plume” – pretty catchy actually. And sticks to the anonymous theme.

    Good feeback. Maybe’s I’ll run with it.

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  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    . However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies. Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated. In my answer to him I tried to cover much broader topic.

    Never try to use common sense logic and the psychology of normal people when discussing psychopaths, a network of very powerful, wealthy people with controllers of infrastructure and the MSM in their pockets, all fueled by relentless, ruthless, political goals.
    When real people are killed, they leave relatives who don’t forget and persist in asking unwelcome questions. A well oiled machine can carry out a hoax fairly smoothly because people don’t notice what’s in front of their eyes. They notice what they are supposed to notice. Ole Dammegard is a good researcher on the false flag hoaxes in Europe especially. He was once a movie extra and knows how films are put together. Ole has noticed similar details.It is actually much easier to give the public fake victims and use crisis actors with special skills, such as pretending to have had his leg blown away except for the dangling bone, but he’s still able to sit up right in wheelchair; that sort of of skill.

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  103. @JackOH
    js, you block-quoted pretty much what caught my eye, too. A student writer working for the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai published an astounding series of articles in the local university paper this past year on living in China. The wealth and public civility of China has, if I'm reading correctly, rocked her socks off.

    Even in the heyday of immigration to the States in the 19th and 20th centuries, some one-third of immigrants left, and it's almost a sure bet a good percentage of the remainder had doubts about the price they'd paid for living in the States.

    What's really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it's so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that've consumed other nations that found themselves blessed with a lot of folding money in their national wallets.

    What’s really impressive about China is not only its extraordinary economic growth, but that it’s so far avoided the bullshit war-mongering hubris and civilizing/colonizing missions that’ve consumed other nations

    Yeah China is really impressive.

    It has conducted a war against it’s unborn children murdering about a zillion of them. Murdered and enslaved millions of it’s own citizens during the cultural revolution. And has been repeatedly accused of organ harvesting of prisoners.

    So far they haven’t had a major foreign war, they have been too busy conducting war against their own citizens.

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  104. @Sam the Man
    The comments here are interesting, but it seems to me more about posters feelings than what the story relates to.

    Look the basic facts of Katy life path are sad and reflect a decline in the overall happiness to society for, both men and women. For the vast majority of people, getting married, having a few kids and the companionship of a spouse and children in old age offers about the best possibilities of a relatively content life. For most people it is their true vocation and the best thing they leave behind when they shuffle of this earth, not some idiotic "cause" that will be forgotten about in 30 years. That is reality and it has not changed in 2,000 years.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    Fundamentally the timeless truths of the differences between men and women were forgotten, replaced with pretty little lies that woman can have it all and act like men, which is blatantly untrue and always has been. Sexual dimorphism is a unavoidable truth of our existence.

    The fact is she was gifted with a good looks, likely in the top 3~5% of young women. Those are the 19 year olds getting invitations to go on private yachts and do drugs in exchange for their chaste treasures. Now if she had been wise she could have used that gift to get a decent husband, accomplished men are willing to provide a lot of resources to mate with good looking women who is not a slut. Wise women have always known this, but she, like so many of the last 40 years thought the rules did not apply to her and she could rut like a man, do drugs and recover from it when she wanted. Reality is much harsher. Once a woman flower passes(accelerated by hard living), they are pretty much invisible to men for the rest of their life.

    Reality is that the men who would be good husbands and spent their 20s working to get ahead do not want to marry a ex-druggies or a women who spent her prime fertility years being used as a sperm repository. Any temptation to marry such a women in their late 20s/early 30s when they still have some significant sexual market value is retarded by the fact that such women cannot form real family bonds with men. Too high a risk to take in this world.

    That is doubly true when you look at he asymmetric application of law. A man who has spent a decade of work to have sufficient resources to support a family has to be very careful in who he marries, the law will do get harm to him at the slightest whim of the wife. Add to that the fact that in our much harsher economy it can often take a man 10 years or more to find a reasonably successful track, well, successful men are loath to risk that on such a women.

    Now from my observation a lot of men who went though the divorce grind, or failed to find a suitable wife are not particularly sympathetic to the plight of 43 year old women like this. Her inability to understand reality when young and the affect on her attitudes precludes it. She is not entirely to blame, somewhere in the last 40 years female wisdom was lost and the world was full of folks willing to lie to her, to tell here she could have it all. But for the most part it seems that the young women so fooled did so willingly, ignoring the older women in their family who had the truth to tell. That is why men are not particularly sympathetic. I would also point out older women have no sympathy for the older men who did not get married and have a family or achieve financial success, so the lack of empathy seems to go both ways.

    Which ultimately is very sad. a great deal of unhappiness for both genders has come out of the last 40 years of social stupidity and failure to "grook" reality. Unattached older middle aged females are for the most part looking at a pretty grim last 30 years of existence, with a lot of loneliness and time to ponder the missed opportunities.

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.

    I’ll join this party of comments about this paragraph.

    Obama the other day gave another speech about “not giving up our freedoms”.

    That would be the “freedoms” to kill your own babies, divorce you wife and kids, have sex with your own kind or any damn thing you want, never have kids, never grow up, never stop chasing anyone and everyone for sex, curse God, hate everyone except yourself, devote you life to making as much money as you can and screw everyone else, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Those freedoms have come with a pretty heavy price tag, just as the Catholic church has been predicting for many years. The only institution in the world to really oppose all of this.

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    Those freedoms have come with a pretty heavy price tag, just as the Catholic church has been predicting for many years. The only institution in the world to really oppose all of this.
     
    True – despite its hierarchy, somehow the church has maintained the idealism of philosophical Christianity.

    An ideal is a goal – ideals set a path forward – put all together, Christianity’s ideals bring us the freedom to positively interact with each other. They provide a hope and civility that can move mankind forward.

    Those ideals are: live with hope, life is sacred, love your neighbor, seek the truth, forgive the past, treat your fellow humans with grace.

    Christian idealism is the West.
  105. Alden says:
    @Jim Christian
    Clueless about what? That they don't want the 35 year old career girl patterned off the Sluts of Sex In The City? Clueless about marriage when half his uncles are divorced-raped? Clueless about the economy and consumed with doubt about the social and financial viability of such an enterprise as a marriage and children, a mortgage and a dog and a cat? Gee, what on God's green Earth could go wrong with all THAT?

    They aren't clueless, they're prudent. Hence, the decline of the marriage and birthrates of responsible people.

    We get it. You’re divorced and can’t get laid. Unz isn’t a support group for the sex deprived.

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  106. Art says:
    @Pat the Rat

    But in the last 40 plus years something has gone terrible wrong in the US socially. Katy is one story with typical story path that illustrates the problem. She is not fully to blame, but will bear the full consequences of her mistakes.
     
    I'll join this party of comments about this paragraph.

    Obama the other day gave another speech about "not giving up our freedoms".

    That would be the "freedoms" to kill your own babies, divorce you wife and kids, have sex with your own kind or any damn thing you want, never have kids, never grow up, never stop chasing anyone and everyone for sex, curse God, hate everyone except yourself, devote you life to making as much money as you can and screw everyone else, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Those freedoms have come with a pretty heavy price tag, just as the Catholic church has been predicting for many years. The only institution in the world to really oppose all of this.

    Those freedoms have come with a pretty heavy price tag, just as the Catholic church has been predicting for many years. The only institution in the world to really oppose all of this.

    True – despite its hierarchy, somehow the church has maintained the idealism of philosophical Christianity.

    An ideal is a goal – ideals set a path forward – put all together, Christianity’s ideals bring us the freedom to positively interact with each other. They provide a hope and civility that can move mankind forward.

    Those ideals are: live with hope, life is sacred, love your neighbor, seek the truth, forgive the past, treat your fellow humans with grace.

    Christian idealism is the West.

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  107. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Perhaps you could look at this:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-future-of-islam-in-western-europe/#comment-1865345
     

    I read that soon after you wrote it and my impression is that the reasoning is on the right track. Probably. I am certainly never claiming that I have any real inside knowledge of these things. I mostly just know that the official story is always nonsense.

    Now, as regards, your response to the Alden creature there, it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to "kill and injure so many".

    Now, first of all, I have no idea how many real victims there were (if any). That is an open question to me, so the question contains question-begging.

    BUT... more importantly, the assumption is that there is an onus on you to explain why the authorities would do something like this. Well, is there not an onus on the other side of the debate to explain why some political movement in the MIddle East would want to kill some random civilians in Berlin? We are expected to believe that they also wanted to kill some random homos in a gay bar in Orlando, Florida. And so on and so on.

    The assumption is that you (or "we") generally must explain the reasons for this Gladio B strategy of tension psy-op to them, but they don't have to explain to us why ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called would want to do these things? They want to establish a "Caliphate" in the greater Middle East? Fine. How do they further that aim by killing some random pansies in a fag bar in Florida? Or some rather obnoxious cartoonists in Paris or....

    My position as regards debating these people is that every opportunity to turn the tables on them should be taken. For example, when Fred wrote his idiotic, dishonest, vile "Legion of the Tinfoil Hat" article, I believe that the correct strategy is, at every opportunity, to ask that Fred outline the strongest evidence for the official 9/11 story.

    When you turn the tables on these people and ask them to answer a question, they typically just shrivel up like the Wicked Witch of the West.

    Their whole strategy is just to demand that you answer their questions. What I find rather disheartening is that just about everybody lets them get away with it.

    I take it you believe in the David Ickes Lizard Overlord theory?

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  108. Alden says:
    @Sam thre Man
    Alden,

    Yours is a perfect example of failing to see reality and wishing for a dream, a happy dream which is a lie.

    How does one not know she is not happy:

    1) The entire tone of the piece. She is lamenting the loss of days gone by, not discussing her happy circumstances or how she overcame adversity. The tone is not of triumph but of loss.

    2) She is 43. She was, by her description quite the looker in her youth. It would appear that stage of life was more or less gone around age 33. I do not know a single women who was able to turn heads on mass who, having lost that attribute, does not lament that loss. It is a critical part of female identity and even the bright women who knew it was coming , got married and are where they want to be at age 43 still find it hard.

    3) She says flat out she wishes she could go back to here happiest days as a young 19 year old in Miami. Confines point # 2

    4) She says she never saw herself back as a bartender in her mid 30s. back where she started at 18. The implication she had to come back from Miami at age 33 or so, there was nothing there for her. After 14 years spent there, what does that imply? Hint: folks flee for the safety of home/ known grounds when difficult times hit, they are seeking to reclaim youth in some way.

    5) She starts the piece by lamenting the decline of the area she grew up in. Now ponder that, parents dead, no husband, no children, male roommate recently passed and the home of youth corrupted or on the decline. Again.......what does that imply?

    4) Her greatest wish was to have children, she has none. She says how hard it is to see small children and have none of her own. This is true for 90% of women, their true vocation is children.

    5) She wants to be around children so much see volunteers to take care of disabled Vietnamese children, but she is not wanted even for that. Ouch.

    6) To do that she needs to finish a nursing degree, but her dead father, mother , friends and times she has been to the hospital to see of folks has left her with a permanent dislike of such institutions. She is (at best) nearly alone in the world, Ponder that implication, (women who were extroverts in youth do not handle solitude well).

    Taken together anyone with any experience in life would know this women is not particularly happy about life. She may not be miserable, but she surly is not happy or content . Self judgments of happiness surveys, singe employed female around age 42 are statistically the most miserable folks, as it is then when the reality of their next 30 years sinks in.

    None of the above is said to condemn the woman, far from it any normal person will feel sorrow and hope she is able to, after a period of introspection, find a way to successfully navigate the remaining 30 years of life left to her. Many folks do and I have in particular seen religious folks who manage to make a pretty good go of it. I believe the "blessed are the poor of spirit" applies in that case. But to deny reality is how the women got here in the first place.

    She definitely is not in nursing school not was she ever admitted to a registered Nurse school. She may have taken an 8 week nurses aide course. But the pay for that is less than a bartender unless she gets in at a hospital with a pension. But she’d still take a big pay cut unless she worked 90 hours a week.

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  109. Alden says:
    @Art
    What business is it of yours if someone you never have and never will meet does or doesn’t have children?

    Alden,

    When the author wrote this article, he put her life open for discussion.

    This woman has had an interesting life – she is not poor – she has talents and wherewithal - she is not a victim. She rejected marriage and children four times. Yet at 43, she is empty and sad. There are happy people who never marry and have children – clearly she is not one of them.

    My point is that she may have been happier if she had children – that is not an outrageous point of view.

    I expressed the age-old fact that most women are happy with an ongoing nest of family people around them.

    I refuse to except the charge of sexist for saying that.

    Peace --- Art

    You’re such a Yenta, a poking, prying, busybody who constantly disparages and criticizes others and is totally disliked by family and neighbors for her nasty gossip.

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  110. @utu
    it seems to me that you are making a key mistake. This person asks you to explain why the German authorities would carry out the false flag in question, to “kill and injure so many”.

    I have ignored that part of his question. I would not touch the issue how many people were killed and whether they were real on not. If it suppose to be a terror attack it suppose to create terror regardless whether it is organic or false flag. The false flag is still a terror attack just like the false flag by the Israeli man calling Jewish centers was to many Jews a real anti-semitic act. The numbers of victims (real or fake) must be adequate to accomplish the terror part. However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies. Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated. In my answer to him I tried to cover much broader topic.

    But I agree that turning the tables on these people is a good tactics. However if you want to win their mind you must present alternative plausible narratives because a reasonable doubt is not enough. A jury that hates the defendant will never acquit him on just a reasonable doubt.

    However personally I am not partial to hoax events theories where victims are suppose to be fake because I think it easier to kill people than have people pretending to be killed or putting dummies.

    Well, at this point, I am pretty certain that both things occur, though I don’t know the relative frequencies. Also, you can have both things co-existing in the same event, some real victims and some phony victims. Obviously, there are false flag terrorist events with real victims, like 9/11 or the train bombings in Madrid. The bombing in the Bologna train station in the original Gladio campaign back in 1980 or so had, I think, something like 80 real victims. I’m pretty sure the bomb was real and the victims were real.

    On the other hand, when you look at some of these more recent things like Orlando or Sandy Hook or the Boston Marathon, it looks like the event may even be totally fake. Also even more recent stuff, mostly in France, like the Bataclan theater in Paris or the truck in Nice. Or, for example, have you seen the video of the cop supposedly shot in the head during the Charlie Hebdo incident, shot in the head with an AK-47 at point blank range and there is no blood. What is one to make of that?

    But the things aren’t mutually exclusive either. If 50 people were supposedly killed in Orlando, maybe a few are real victims, were really killed, and the rest were phony. With 9/11, the airplanes component of the narrative seems to be completely phony and the victims in the planes may not be real victims for the most part. However, the towers were really blown up so they really killed people there.

    Killing people is one of the easiest thing other people can do. Almost everything else is more complicated.

    Well, yeah, it’s certainly easier to shoot some people with a gun than to make a plane crash into a building, say. But in either case, if you can just say something happened and the MSM never questions it, then it effectively happened!

    In a previous conversation, I pointed out that I had looked for any video footage of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden and there is none! There’s the video of some cars burning, but there is no video of anybody rioting. The streets are empty. Why mount a false flag and have your paid agent provocateur types rioting, probably shouting “Allahu Akhbar” and shit like that the whole while, when you can just say these Muslims were rioting and everybody believes you, nobody questions it.

    I mean to say, if you really control the media and you can just say something happened, why bother to make anything really happen? I know it’s pretty mind-blowing, hard to get one’s head around, but…

    But I agree that turning the tables on these people is a good tactics.

    Well, yeah, and that’s really orthogonal to the questions above about whether you have things that are truly 100% hoaxes or people were killed. I was making the point that we should not miss the opportunity to ask these people to back up their side of the story.

    They want to say that 9/11 was orchestrated by the bearded guy in the cave, then let them tell us what the proof is for that. We are supposed to explain the motive of a false flag (and who did it and how and why and so on) but they are allowed to just take as a given that there really is some political movement in the Middle East, say, that wants to murder some fags in Orlando or some cartoonists in Paris or whatever.

    Just as a tactical question, it seems to me that every opportunity to turn the tables on these people should be capitalized on, that’s all.

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  111. MBlanc46 says:
    @A Random Name
    "I never got married. I came close four times.
    I love kids, even though I never had them."

    There in lies the rub. When this hedonistic nymph dies, her life fades away like a dehydrated sand castle on a windy beach. How amazing it is to contrast the effervescent tone of this person's life with the absolute nihilism with which it was lived.

    Very nicely put.

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  112. @Alden
    Since men generally die several years before women, most married women end their lives alone living in senior housing. You need to check out nursing homes, assisted living and retirement communities. There are vastly more widowed women in those places than there are men.

    A ratio of 4 or 5 women to every man would be a conservative estimate.

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  113. @jacques sheete

    Perhaps Americans will just become poorer and poorer, and get used to it
     
    .

    No doubt. They'll be spouting "We're da greatest!" all the way down.



    ...Jon remarked, “Any top-tier Chinese city, like Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzhou, etc., is, in most respects, so vastly superior to any American city at this point, it’s crazy.
     
    That's true for some of the big cities in so called third world countries in Asia as well. Same is true in some European countries too.

    “Same is true in some European countries too.”

    Not to worry … the Europeans are determined to wipe out any advantage they might have in the Western world by imitating the US in turning their societies into the sort of gorgeous mosaic that has turned places like Detroit, Baltimore, South Central LA, East St. Louis, and New Orleans into the garden spots of tranquility and social advancement they are today.

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  114. @Jonathan Revusky

    Apparently they let Revusky in to the US.
     
    They have to let me in. I was born here, I'm a citizen.

    Did they let him out?
     
    Not yet, but they will. I left Philly a couple of weeks ago but I'm still in the U.S. at this moment.

    “They have to let me in. I was born here, I’m a citizen.”

    Yeah, I used to think that too, but every time I come back, I get Twenty Questions that boil down to “Why do you live abroad? What is wrong with you? Why should you be trusted and let back in?” all the while five third-worlders are waved through the next line over. The kiosks have made getting back in a little better, but you still get human intervention that can still open you up to this extra-special personal welcome home.

    Best experience was when asked how long I had been away on this trip, and I replied “Seventeen years.” If the ICE guy had had a coffee, it would have been a spit-take.

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  115. eD says:

    I was intrigued by Jack’s Famous Bar, often mentioned by Linh Dinh, and went there today. This article explains the scene and the neighborhood really well:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/food/Bar-Code-Is-Philly-icon-Jacks-Famous-Bar-kensington.html

    The reporter writes the place up better than I could, so I will add a few random notes for anyone who may want to visit there. As the article notes, the place may close soon.

    First, about the food. The sandwiches are apparently made by the 83 year old owner, and he stops making them at 4 PM. At least that was the case when I walked in today at 4 PM. There are a few articles that mention the sandwiches, but its not something I would count on if you are hungry.

    Philly is actually filled with very similar bars in looks and atmosphere, but the clientele at Jack’s does seem to be a little more hard core. Maybe its the big case of liquor to go.

    The place is across the street from the Allegheny Station on the Frankford Line, and really, unless oyu are looking to score drugs, there doesn’t seem to be much reason to stray far from the station. Only a three of stations closer to Center City, you hit ultra gentrification territory. The transition is really abrupt, and seems to come at the prominent sign advertising AA. The line is elevated past Spring Garden and the views are pretty interesting.

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