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Shaman in Vinh Chau, 2019

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After three weeks in Saigon for Tet, I’m back in Ea Kly. It’s 5:33AM as I begin this, and I’ll type until 6:45, to begin my work day at the plastic recycling plant.

As usual, I sit at Mrs. Ha’s cafe. I’m her first customer. Unlike Saigon, it’s chilly here. Appearing suddenly from the shadow between my thighs, her white poodle demands attention. I pet him. She brings me my coffee and tea. Two long distance buses pause in the dark.

After Tet, most Vietnamese businesses reopen with a ceremonial food offering to the God of Prosperity [Ông Thần Tài] and God of the Soil [Ông Địa], two Chinese deities, and the date has to be carefully chosen, to ensure success for the coming year. My brother in law is very superstitious. To reverse some business setbacks, he had a back tattoo etched with a sadistically long needle for half an hour by a renown monk in Thailand, and magical charms given to him by a Teochew shaman in Vinh Chau, 125 miles south of Saigon.

This shaman only sees people by special recommendations and charges no fees, though grateful supplicants will bring gifts. He can channel the Monkey King, it is said, but isn’t that a fictional character? Yes, but the Monkey King is based on Chinese mythology, so those who worship him insist there is such a god, as real as any, and there are perhaps a thousand temples dedicated to the Monkey King across the Chinese universe, with most of them in Fuzhou. Communists couldn’t stand this. Trying to eradicate traditional religions and cults, they destroyed countless temples, including those worshipping the Monkey King, but in China and Vietnam, all these folk beliefs have made a huge come back.

You must honor your ancestors. Predating Darwin by millennia, the Chinese have many legends tracing their roots to monkeys. There are tales of monkeys turning into a man or woman to have sex with humans, or become a Buddha. Magical monkeys abound, but the most badass is the Monkey King, for he can shape shift, walk on water or through the earth, stop rivers, grab the moon, transfer his pain onto your body, give you nightmares, divide himself to confuse enemies and grow another head if he’s decapitated.

Very few people go to Vinh Chau, but I made my first visit in 1998. My traveling companion was a 6 foot 9, red headed New York Jew, and Lloyd Luntz simply freaked out the backwoods locals. Kids ran up to pull the hair on his arms.

Being on the coast, Vinh Chau was the starting point for thousands of boat people, so many natives escaped. Prospering in the USA, Canada and Australia, they’ve sent lots of money back, transforming their hometown.

The shaman’s house is 50 yards from a road. I half expected to find some scowling, intimidating dude, but only found a half dozen middle aged men, sitting cross legged on a wooden bed, drinking tea. The sun there is fierce, so people tend to be darker, but one bare-chested, white bearded guy was particularly dark. That’s the shaman.

His concrete house was modest and rather ugly, his wife and kids were cheaply dressed and there was a shallow bamboo basket where six puny fish and three flayed frogs were being dried, probably to make rousong. At a nearby patch, rows of purple onions waited to be uprooted. In the distance, a spired Cambodian grave magnificently rose.

We entered a small yet elaborate shrine to the Monkey King, with murals on the walls illustrating episodes from Journey to the West.

Being seeing us, the shaman had to take care of a man who was made to sit on a chair of nails, as the still bare-chested holy man shouted abuses at him, with “fuck your mother” a constant refrain. Enduring the ordeal, the distressed beneficiary was actually the Police Chief of Bac Lieu Province. In Vietnam, an official of that rank can expect to rake in lots of illicit loots, and make plenty of enemies, so somebody must have put a curse on him, hence this exorcism. “Fuck your mother!”

Performing his rituals, it’s standard for the shaman to pierce his cheeks with two long rods, without drawing blood. He knelt, prayed, waved a fan, spoke in Vietnamese and Teochew, wrote magical charms in red ink with a brush and answered questions about our futures, along this line, “Your break won’t come this year, but you must be patient. Don’t lose heart.” If I can learn to puncture my cheeks painlessly, maybe I can become a shaman also, but just for thinking that, I will likely be disfigured, if not killed, this year, so should it happen, you can trace it to this blasphemous sentence. “Fuck your mother!” Forgive me, Monkey King.

Each in our party of six left with magical charms, and the shaman also granted our plastic recycling plant strips of paper imbued with supernatural power, to be posted at strategic locations. Most importantly, we got our lucky reopening date.

9:34AM. After the last paragraph, we’ve unloaded two truckloads of plastic garbage, and the work day is going reasonably smoothly. By reopening a bit later than expected, we lost a handful of workers, for they simply couldn’t hang around without an income. Also, Mr. Cuc is hospitalized, thanks to decades of heavy drinking. Though our oldest worker at 58, he seriously hauled ass. Mrs. Vinh is also not likely to return, for she continues to suffer beatings by her husband. The laws can’t prosecute since she won’t report these abuses. A few times, her male relatives have come over to rough up her husband in retaliation, but they can’t keep doing that unless Mrs. Vinh wants them to. Black and blue, she stands by her man. In the US, too, I know women like this.

As I type, a small girl, nicknamed Rabbit, plays behind me, with plastic toys scavenged from the garbage. Both her parents work for us. Every so often, we get a kid inside our plant, and I try to humor them with cookies or candies. With heavy bags being moved about and bottles of insecticides among our recyclables, this environment is not exactly child friendly, but Rabbit is reasonably well behaved and rarely throws a tantrum. Next to broken dolls, a “HAPPY” rooster, brightly colored combs and a matchbox sized shopping cart, she fusses with a tiny oven. “Make me some food,” I tell her. “I’m hungry!”

Rabbit looks up, “What will you have, uncle Linh?”

“Broken rice with pork chops.”

“Lots of vegetables?”

“Lots!”

ORDER IT NOW

She’s wearing a red muscle T with a tiara-crowned blonde mermaid holding a seahorse, and, “Friends love wheres YOU find them.” Even if the English was good, no one here could decipher it anyway. It’s just cool to be adorned with the language of that most magical place, America, where everything, as projected, is beyond real, and the further you are from it, the more fantastic it becomes.

On the way back to Ea Kly, we passed a town, Kiến Đức, that seemed oddly desolate, with many restaurants empty or out of business.

“They must have suffered a bad season,” my brother in law concluded.

“What do they grow here?” I asked.

“Sichuan pepper [tiêu] and cashews [điều].”

Since “tiêu điều” in Vietnamese is also “desolation,” I joked, “That’s what they get for growing desolation. They should switch to growing apricots [mai] and making fermented fish [mắm].”

Mai mắm, you see, sounds a bit like “may mắn,” or “lucky.” Vietnamese think like that. Since mai alone also means lucky, most Vietnamese overspend during Tet to buy at least one apricot tree in blossom, to ensure good luck for the rest of the year. It’s an absurd belief, but that’s culture for you.

The Vietnamese susceptibility to magic is more than counterbalanced by a clear headed practicality and common sense, for otherwise, they wouldn’t be able to survive or even thrive. Take my brother in law. Though prone to mumbo jumbo, the 43-year-old has risen from nothing to become a millionaire, with his main business the making of plastic crates that are exported to Thailand. Two years ago, he traveled to India to explore the possibilities of exporting organic Vietnamese fruits and vegetables.

There is much that is irrational or fantastical in every society, with some beliefs imposed from above, sometimes abruptly, even violently. The worst beliefs aren’t just costly, but suicidal, but you can’t see what’s killing you if you’re mesmerized.

Marx is a false god, conclude most Vietnamese, so now you can drive hundreds of miles here without encountering his bearded face once, but everywhere, temples and churches are being built, and statues of Guanyin, Jesus and the Virgin Mary front millions of homes. Vietnamese breathe easier because the state no longer micro manages their lives or, worse, try to control their every thought. Surely, that’s the worst evil.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. swamped says:

    “Vietnamese breathe easier because the state no longer micro manages their lives or, worse, try to control their every thought. Surely, that’s the worst evil”…worse than being doused with napalm, or Agent Orange, or showered with cluster bombs?”Marx is a false god, conclude most Vietnamese, so now you can drive hundreds of miles here without encountering his bearded face once, but everywhere, temples and churches are being built, and statues of Guanyin, Jesus and the Virgin Mary front millions of homes”…so they never should have fought the French & Americans, they should have just bowed down to their imperial idols, Jesus (and his bearded face) and ‘the Virgin Mary’ and accepted colonial rule?It was all unnecessary, millions dead & wounded? tortured, starved, uprooted? and for what??
    Unlike Jesus, Marx never claimed to be “a god”, false or otherwise?By turning him into one, they corrupt the message & the method.And now they still need another false god(s) to take his place?
    “There is much that is irrational or fantastical in every society, with some beliefs imposed from above, sometimes abruptly, even violently”…as with Huey helicopter gunships & F-4’s? Even if “the worst beliefs aren’t just costly, but suicidal”, you can certainly see what’s killing you if they’re strafing you!Was that suicidal or homicidal?Should those Buddhist monks have set themselves on fire fifty-six years ago or just waited for the invasionary troops to do it for them?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  2. Lin says:

    The Chinese monkey god is apparently a version of the hindu monkey god Hanuman though with different birth. There was no trace of Chinese monkey deity before Chinese buddhit pilgrims went to india.
    ——
    Difference:
    –Hanuman was likely gay
    –Hanuman was born of human parents; a child with a monkey face,like the goddess Kali with many arms and Ganesh with an elephant head, hindu deities most likely were children born with genetic defects but deified because of their unusual anatomy. Such incidence seem to be higher in india than other parts of the world:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11561245/Eight-limbed-Indian-baby-worshipped-as-Hindu-god.html.
    ……….
    The Chinese monkey god was said to be blown out of a piece of stone. He is symbolic of a young rebel and he had challenged the authority of the Jade Emperor of Heaven. Chairman Mao’s favorite.

    • Replies: @foo123
    , @orionyx
  3. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @swamped

    Swamped,

    You appear to be another white man who can’t think outside the white box. How about no white solution for this yellow nation? One can reject Marx and USA both.

    A while back, I wrote in “The Chinese in Southern Vietnam”:

    The collision between East and West was greased by zealots pushing a bearded Jew, Jesus or Marx.

    “Please, white man, can I endure this already taxing existence without any Jewish savior? Do I try to shove Buddha, Confucius or Laozi down your throat?”

    “No, yellow man, you must choose one Jew or the other! Jewish is the only way! It’s universal brotherhood and all that, except in Israel!”

    As for the right to one’s own thoughts, millions have chosen even torture or death over the renunciation of their beliefs.

    Linh

  4. Giuseppe says:
    @Linh Dinh

    You might be using a shoehorn to put Swamped in a preconceived category. I think there is more to his questions than not thinking outside the white box. He sounds to me like a veteran struggling to make some kind of sense of his wartime experiences, and not coming to any kind of resolution. You must have run into people like that, men in old age who are only just beginning to speak of their experiences in Nam and not doing all that well in the head. By detailing cultural belief and practice, this very interesting piece of writing has the unexpected consequence of highlighting the strange pointlessness of the US war in Viet Nam and I imagine it would be very difficult for some vets to read. “Yeah, we killed some folks who believe in the Monkey King.”

  5. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh

    One can reject Marx and USA both.

    Agreed. I’m also surprised that some people think one can choose to drink only Coke or Pepsi.

    I’m so glad you are writing about Vietnam, Mr. Dinh. I have literally had to unlearn so much that I’ve still got swimming around from the 80s from watching way too many Vietnam War films.

    Discovered recently that an enterprising Muslim guy opened up a halal Pho joint near one of my old stomping grounds in SoCal – will try to stop by next time I visit that area.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  6. very nice slice of life, and

    what a great kid.

    I hope she grows up and opens a successful restaurant…but

    in Vietnam. Not ‘Murka.

  7. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    To address your comment about a white man unable to think outside a white box, how do you know that Swamp is white? Wouldn’t “American” be the more useful term? An American unable to think outside the American box. Why bring in race when it is nationality that matters?
    Americans view the Viet Nam War as an episode in American history, with the Vietnamese as shadowy background. It’s hard for them to grasp that to Vietnamese, it was the Americans who were the shadows, briefly darkening the ground, then passing on.
    A writer who understood this was Kaikō Takeshi, who wrote Into A Black Sun, a novel about Viet Nam during the war in which Americans are only background. Perhaps you’ve read it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Linh Dinh
  8. As I understand it, the mystic origins of the Chinese are related to the moon for some reason.

    These mini-stories could be collected into a novel like Gabriel García Márquez did in One Hundred Years of Solitude.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Hundred_Years_of_Solitude

    • Replies: @Endgame Napoleon
  9. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    PS: If you want to read the original, or want to find a non-English translation, the original title of Kaikō’s novel of is 輝ける闇, and his name is 開高 健.

  10. Linhs writing reminds me of Cleveland’s own Harvey Pekar. A file clerk in the state beuacracy, Pekar was also a writer who focused primarily on what many would see as the mundane or more ordinary aspects of life.However, reading about the struggles , compromises , and occasional triumphs is the marrow of life in my opinion. The things people are willing to do to stake out a place in this world , to gain ground or to at least stop losing ground is fascinating .

    Years ago , my aunt had an accident at a scrap metal plant in Baltimore . Her right foot was crushed and many medical procedures were needed to get her walking again. Prior to the accident she had jet black hair , a hardened but attractive face and a nasty disposition. Post accident , she quickly went gray , her face and heart apparently softened she became a devout Christian . She gives 10% of all her income to the church even during times of hardship or Unemployment. One week , she was robbed at gun point on the porch of her east side Baltimore row home and she scraped together the tithe from change she had saved, eating only canned tuna that week. The less spiritual members of the family have tried to steer her away from the church , away from a god that they see as indifferent at best or imaginary at worst. Myself , I let her believe with no strong feeling on either side of the argument . The rituals , sacrifices, beliefs , and customs get her through . They make a painful , unfulfilling life far less so . Once and awhile I’ll bring her lunch and we will eat crab cakes under the watchful gaze of a long haired Christ, his presence gives her comfort and I’m still only required to bring crab cakes for two.

  11. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[403] ,

    I may be wrong about Swamped’s race but I’ve met so many white progressives or Marxists who’ve insisted to me that to reject Communism is to embrace American imperialism, so it’s either Marx or napalm. There is something of the white man’s burden in the white progressive’s mentality, in that he must coach and guide “people of color” towards utopia, even as he professes solidarity with them. Consider the extreme hostility of white progressives towards blacks who don’t go along with the progressive program.

    Linh

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  12. Balaji says:

    Are you sure that the shaman in Vinh Chau is not Indian? Compare him with the following individual with skewers through his cheek.

    http://fotowarung.net/2013/01/27/najwa-zulkefli-thaipusam/

  13. Truth says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Jesus was “a Jew”, Marx was “JewISH (i.e; ‘Jewlike’).” The difference between the two is much greater than the difference between a Vietnamese Fisherman and a German physicist.

    The bible speaks of “the Jewish” exactly once in 66 books; Titus 1:14.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @anonymoys
  14. foo123 says:
    @Lin

    No such thing as a monkey god. Like saying Icarus was a bird god.

    In the Aryan religion (Hinduism), and the closely related European pagan ones, there are a huge number of dieties with animal parts, wings, heads, etc. The gods aren’t actually animals and were not born with genetic defects, that’s never been part of most of these origin stories in Aryan, Norse, Greek or Roman mytholody.

  15. It has been said that a people is ‘conquered’ when they neglect their ancestral spirits, gods, and goddesses, in favour of foreign ones

    A Jewish writer long ago said, that the most enduring and deepest cause of ‘anti-semitism’ amongst Europeans, is that Europeans deep down know, that their own ancient traditions and beliefs and culture, were largely wiped out and destroyed by the predatory, judaising Abrahamic religions from the mid-East deserts

    So, knowing that their own most ancient cultural assets were destroyed beyond recovery, Europeans can never forgive the Jews for this, said the Jewish writer (name escapes me at the moment)

    Native religions sometimes do need to be reformed, as when some of the Hindus and especially the Buddhists, began to seek a ban on animal ‘sacrifice’ … legend has it, that this was how the great Buddha began his public career, rescuing a goat from being killed on the sacrificial altar

    But any religion that tries to take away the harmless stories and beliefs, and rituals and temples, of a people’s native spirits, gods, and goddesses – that ‘religion’ cannot be from heaven, but rather is something of the evil powers

    Bravo to the Vietnamese, for bringing back the temples and their ancient ways … The spirits will no doubt reward them in years ahead

  16. TSOL says:

    Uncle Linh, What’s the word on the street regarding American POW/MIA ?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  17. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @TSOL

    Hi TSOL,

    Having lived more than three year in Vietnam as an adult, I have never heard anyone talk about this subject, only of ARVN soldiers who were kept many years after the war. My own father in law, a mere captain, was imprisoned for 13 years, but my cousin, another captain, was released after not quite six years. A couple professional drivers told me they had driven relatives to see still jailed ARVNs in the 90’s. I’m assuming all have been released by now. Of course, many died in captivity, and if Americans were kept after 1975, which I strongly suspect, they would have been killed by now.

    Linh

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  18. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Brabantian

    Hi Brabantian,

    I agree with what you’re saying, but there’s a twist to this, for what remain of Vietnamese “ancient ways” are mostly Chinese, as in the worship of the God of Fortune and God of the Soil, etc. China occupied Vietnam for a thousand years. The oldest Vietnamese beliefs are mostly lost. On the bronze drums, which predate the Chinese occupation, you can see the sun, feathered head dresses, large birds and, often, frogs, so they were sun worshippers, which is still reflected in their colloquial word for God, Ông Trời [Mr. Sky]. Sky is synonymous with God. A Vietnamese in vexation would say, “Trời ơi!” [“Oh, Sky!”] If you do something bad, you might be punished by Sky.

    There is a saying, “The frog is Mr. Sky’s uncle,” for with its croaking, it can tell the sky to rain.

    Linh

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Sparkon
  19. orionyx says:
    @Lin

    Wrong in so many ways.
    Hanuman was fathered by the god Shiva on a female monkey called Anjani when he ejaculated into a swamp.
    Hanuman was not ‘gay’ – the very idea is a piece of western absurdity. He was, however, celibate, as evidenced by his yellow garment.
    But you don’t have to take my word for it: it’s all in Hanuman Chalisa. Too bad the language is probably way beyond your comprehension.

    • Replies: @Lin
  20. @Brabantian

    BRAB

    If this is true why aren’t adherents to Islam affected? After all, Arabs and especially Bedouin were animists before Mohammed. Why has Islam not affected them to the degree Christianity affect Europeans?

  21. @Linh Dinh

    DEAR MR LINH

    Forgive my ignorance, but aren’t Vietnamese descended in part from Southern Chinese farmers who migrated to Vietnam several thousand years ago?

    I’m aware that the Chinese and Vietnamese have been sporadically warring for 1000 years up to the 1979 border war.

    Also, curiously, Vietnam doesn’t have a Chinese merchant over-class headlock over the economy like Philippines or Burma.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  22. @Si1ver1ock

    This writing style is pretty melodic. He makes the culture sound poetic, but the part about immigrants, coming to the USA mostly for economic reasons and sending lots of money back home, brings me back to the grittier economic reealites of the broke, debt-laden USA, with its mass-scale underemployment of citizens. It is a much-maligned country which, despite all of the criticism from foreigners, spends $113 billion per year just on upkeep of illegal immigrants, with just the illegals from Mexico sending $28 billion each year back to their home country. During decades of mass immigration, some of which has arisen from interventionist wars gone awry, the US has slowly lost its middle-class prosperity. Some of it might arise from immigrants, adopting the USA as their country, but remaining obsessed with the countries they left. When too many resources are diverted from the US economy, a few elites still make bank due to cheap labor and alliances among global business elites, but the rest of the country suffers.

    • Replies: @Biff
  23. @Linh Dinh

    DEAR MR. LINH

    My Dad was a combat medic and he said that a considerable number of American GI’s got so into drugs that they simply deserted the US army and became full-time druggies on the Hippie Trail from Thailand to Afghanistan or disappeared on leave in Thailand and waited the war out before returning to the US with new identities (Easier in the seventies) to avoid prosecution for desertion.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @jacques sheete
  24. Lin says:
    @orionyx

    “Hanuman was fathered by the god Shiva on a female monkey called Anjani when he ejaculated into a swamp…”
    You got me wrong.
    I said hauman, ganesh, kali… were probably children with genetic defects and were deified because of their unusual anatomy. Fairy tale contents are a different matter.
    ‘Gay hanuman’: Here I referred to imagery like I read he refused to be touched by women and his intensive love for his master Ram like massaging Ram’s body with some kind of fragrant powder.
    He probably was as ‘celibate’ as a gay Vatican priest.
    ……….
    The same applies to the semi-fictional Chinese heroine Mulan who has become a transvestite /lesbian icon (not really because of the Disney movie..)
    The last verse of the Chinese epic poem ‘Mulan’
    “Two bunnies strolling on the ground,
    can you tell I’m male or female?”
    Sounds very gay to me.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  25. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @jeff stryker

    Hi Jeff,

    The term Chinese here is a bit problematic, because so many groups have been absorbed into China, including the Teochew, with their shaman in Vinh Chau. There are plenty of Cantonese in Vietnam as well, and they can be considered simply as Cantonese, and not Chinese, so the Vietnamese was one tribe that resisted being absorbed into China.

    Before 1975, the Chinese dominated the economy in South Vietnam, but with the Communist take over, plus war vs. China, these Chinese were dispossessed, so many left as boat people. Now, mainland Chinese have shown up to buy real estate, and there are also many Taiwanese here to do business. I hung out with a bunch of them just recently.

    I have a sister in law who’s half Chinese, and her fluency in Mandarin and Cantonese have certainly helped her in business.

    One of the best books on Vietnam is Gontran De Poncins’ From a Chinese City, which describes the Frenchman’s year in Cho Lon, Saigon’s Chinatown. It’s fascinating and very entertaining read.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  26. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @jeff stryker

    Hi Jeff,

    My stepfather was head of drug enforcement for South Vietnam, and his task was to pretend to get rid of drugs, for if he really did his job, he would have to go after high ranking South Vietnamese and even Americans. The US government has long been involved in drugs.

    After 1975, my stepfather got hired by the FBI, so got posted to Turkey and Thailand, among other places.

    Linh

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  27. @Linh Dinh

    MR LINH

    My father served as a combat medic in Vietnam and he knew ALOT of druggies in the war. When I asked him about MIA’s, he told me that many hardcore druggies simply deserted the US military and joined the lucrative drug business or simply skipped out on leave in Thailand and joined the Hippie Trail.

    As for the Golden Triangle, now that Ya-Ba and Ice have become the drugs of choice the heroin trade has mostly disappeared in my part of Southeast Asia.

    Not many Westerners are involved in the meth trade here, as oppose to the number who ended up in Bangkok Hilton for heroin smuggling.

  28. @Truth

    TRUTH

    Both were Caucasian men with beards, while German physicists and Vietnamese fisherman look far more physically different.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @anonymous
  29. Biff says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    spends $113 billion per year just on upkeep of illegal immigrants,

    Economists have debunked that myth so many times it is not worth an argument. Upshot is it’s a wash.

    illegals from Mexico sending $28 billion each year back to their home country.

    Mexico spends $276.2 billion/year on products that are made in the USA, so one would assume they need the money, and the U.S. needs the business.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  30. @Biff

    Not to mention the amount of heroin and meth Mexico exports to the US.

    But then again, Americans choose to do drugs, so one could simply shrug this off a victimless crime.

  31. Franz says:
    @Brabantian

    …knowing that their own most ancient cultural assets were destroyed beyond recovery, Europeans can never forgive the Jews for this, said the Jewish writer (name escapes me at the moment)

    Might be:

    The Portage to San Cristobal of A. H. by George Steiner, published in 1982 and actually got popular enough to become a stage play.

    From a review at Amazon:

    …The final monologue, Hitler’s, is the most chilling, and, for the Jewish reader, the most existentially dangerous. The final verdict on Hitler is uttered by none of those who think they know him best but by Teku, the Amazon savage sent to intercept the team. Teku doesn’t understand a word of Hitler’s rationalizations and rantings. But he is moved by Hitler’s intensity and innate spiritual power to declare der fuehrer’s horrific testimony “Proven!”

    The monologue really is superb, on the page or on the stage. It consists of things that have been said before by lots of other people, so you may have someone else in mind. The success of A.H. was brief, likely because of the politics of the 80s began to squash a lot of openness that had been the rule before.

    A.H. (the fictional one) states that European man was made for a relaxed pantheon that allowed for “spirits” to energize and engage us, but the Jewish Omnipotent Abstraction crushed the European soul, disempowering it with guilt and shame that had never been there before.

    This representation is a reflection of what was a major strand of thinking until Holocaust Studies shamed it out of existence, impying as it does that the Germans had a valid motive.

    It amazes people how free discussion was possible in the days before Reagan empowered the Neocons. (In a Reagan Inaugural afterparty, Norman Podhoretz and Bill Buckley embraced and National Review joined Israel’s amen corner.)

    Free speech actually existed before then. One fine example was a very famous anti-communist Jew, Arthur Koestler, who told the press in the early Eisenhower years that Jews can now move to Israel and the ones that do not must assimilate totally into their adapted nations, including following their religions and folkways. Major newspapers in England and the States, to name two that I know for sure, ran his opinions openly.

    Lucky Old Arthur pushed off early. He’d have been deplatformed for that one now.

  32. Truth says:
    @jeff stryker

    Both were Caucasian men with beards,

    Aaaahhhh Geoff-REE-san.
    This is subject of some debate…

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  33. @Truth

    TRUTH

    Is Bethlehem in Africa? We know the Three Wise Men were from Ethiopian but Nazarene is now in Palestine.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @ploni almoni
  34. Truth says:
    @jeff stryker

    Well that’s just it Big buddy, you see their is a theory that peoples of the world looked much different, in different places than they do now.

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

  35. @Linh Dinh

    I am not Vietnamese, but have never gotten over how present day Vietnam seems to have put aside their own holocaust visited on by America. Yet all that America could have been fighting for during the war, complete with incomprehensible, unprecedented, atrocities, now seems to be achieved without firing a shot: Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, Colgate, Lux, iPhones, trashy TV programs, Jewish gods and music and all the rest of it. To add salt to those long festering wounds: the decision to hand the chairmanship of Fulbright University Vietnam to a former US senator accused of involvement in a massacre during the Vietnam war. Have the Jews even come close to being this forgiving regarding their fake holocaust?

    • Replies: @Lin
  36. Sparkon says:
    @Linh Dinh

    …which is still reflected in their colloquial word for God, Ông Trời [Mr. Sky]. Sky is synonymous with God.

    Interesting. Armed with your diacritical marks, I was off to Google Translate, where I discovered that Ông means “he,” (or “mister,” apparently). Emboldened by my rapid progress with Vietnamese, I entered plain ol’ Ong into GT, and was delighted to see that it translates as “bees.” Hmm. Thrashing around in there, I arrived at the discovery that ong means “bees,” but to have one bee, one needs to say or specify “con ong”, but by itself “con” means “baby.”

    My interest in Ong, as you may recall, derives from the tale of Betty Ong, reportedly one of the stews on AA Flight 11, which allegedly crashed into WTC 1 on September 11, 2001. Like many 9/11 skeptics, I doubt the official story, not least because of the obvious CGI of Flight 175 crashing into WTC 2, where in one notorious still frame from CNN videographer Michael Hezarkhani, the alleged 767 can be seen half-in half-out of the south tower with no reaction at all from either building or airplane. Phony as a $3 bill.

    Betty Ong’s memorial at the Betty Ong Recreational Center in San Francisco’s Chinatown.

    The plaque notes or at least gives the appearance that Betty Ong’s apparent nickname was “Bee,” but includes also what is apparently her Chinese name 鄧月薇 Deng Yuewei.

    I have not been able to deconstruct the reason Ms. Ong would have this additional Chinese name, except perhaps as some ritual associated with ancestor worship.

    Nhận xét của bạn được đánh giá cao. Cảm ơn bạn.

  37. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s a picture of a Buddhist* temple in Malaysia performing their version of the piercing ritual. It brings good luck and economic benefit:

    *the congregation call themselves Buddhist, although it looks more Taoist to me.

  38. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

    Hi Linh

    Always good to read your reports. If you get some time off – though plastic waste is eternal – I would love to see your impressions of China, including Tibet and Sinkiang.

  39. @Linh Dinh

    I feel with you.
    Being German, Russians and Americans think they’d be essential to our culture and security. (((white))) solution imposed.

  40. Wally says:

    Linh Dinh said:
    “There is much that is irrational or fantastical in every society, with some beliefs imposed from above, sometimes abruptly, even violently. The worst beliefs aren’t just costly, but suicidal, but you can’t see what’s killing you if you’re mesmerized.”

    It is the religion of the impossible “holocaust” which has been imposed from above upon western society. It is The Chosen Ones who claim to be “above” all others.

    Their ‘6M’, which they have been claiming since at least 1823, is the epitome of “irrational, fantastical”.

    It is heresy to apply reason and science to the religion contrived by Jews for their own gain. It is ‘anti-semitic’ and illegal to speak the truth and resist “mesmerization”.

    Author Linh Dinh is quite aware of the fraudulence of the so called “holocaust” and the use it serves.

    Thanks.

    http://www.codoh.com

  41. @jeff stryker

    I never witnessed such a thing but do not doubt it. In any case, most of my unit spent most of its time in sandbag “hooches” getting high. I was shocked and fascinated to see what some of them would do for pills of different colors. The place reeked of marijuana 24/7 and I still marvel at the level of apathy apparent.

  42. @Brabantian

    A Jewish writer long ago said, that the most enduring and deepest cause of ‘anti-semitism’ amongst Europeans, is that Europeans deep down know, that their own ancient traditions and beliefs and culture, were largely wiped out and destroyed by the predatory, judaising Abrahamic religions from the mid-East deserts

    Must we have a Jew opine on everything and bring up the anti-semitic canard when discussing anything? I’m not implying you Brabantian, but this Jewish author whoever he may be.

    If Jesus and the early Christians were Jews then why should Europeans who accepted Christianity become anti-Semites? If any Europeans are anti-semites it is because of their experience with Jews in Europe and has nothing to do with what race Jesus or the early Christians may have been. And why are Jews an issue at all in Europe, haven’t they got their own country to go somewhere in this world instead of complaining about their hosts wherever they go?

    And even if Jesus was black, does it mean we now have to accept blacks settling in white countries even if we may worship a black man as a son of God? Should the Chinese and North Koreans accept to be flooded by Jews and Germans just because they worship Marx and Engels, a Jew and a German as false twin Gods, or invaded by white Russians, because Lenin is their version of the “son of God” and Stalin “the grandson of God”? Get real people.

  43. jim jones says:

    France still has a lot of influence in Vietnam:

  44. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Marx is a false god”

    Yes, communism is crap – and the same goes for its famous fake “opposite”, National Socialism [ Fascism], and its false gods: Mussolini, Hitler and now, Trump.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Wally
  45. Linh,

    I wonder if those Vietnamese shamans give out winning lottery numbers. Some Thai Buddhist Abbots and monks do sell lottery numbers they claim will win. I once knew a Chinese guy who even braved an emergency in southern Thailand to go visit the monastery to pick up his number. He swore by a certain Abbot or monk there that he was for real and that he often won at the 4 digit lottery with numbers he bought from him. I never asked if this giving out of lucky numbers involved any ceremony and whether one could submit one’s own numbers to turn them lucky, or whether you just took what the monk gave you. This particular guy used to fly in from overseas so I don’t know if you can order the numbers from the monastery by phone call and a wire transfer, or if this Chinaman just liked to visit the monastery. I’m just asking out of interest as with my luck I doubt even if I paid a monk for a number that it would come up a winner.

    No comments from you about the two monkeys up in Hanoi. It was all about the meeting of the two nuke rocket men, but did Trump and his team hold any talks with the Vietnamese party honchos about their future relations and plans, especially considering Chinese military activity in the Spratly islands which displeases both USA and Vietnam, or has Vietnam changed its policy regarding Chinese military buildup there like the Philippines has under Duerte?

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  46. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Hi Commentator Mike,

    Here, one often runs into a propaganda billboard addressing the island disputes with China, and the popular sentiment towards China is quite negative.

    Yesterday, I photographed a sign at a rural elementary shool, “FIVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM UNCLE HO”:

    LOVE YOUR NATION, LOVE YOUR COMPATRIOTS

    LEARN WELL, WORK WELL

    UNITE WELL, BE WELL DISCIPLINED

    MAINTAIN CLEANLINESS VERY WELL

    BE HUMBLE, HONEST, BRAVE

    Do you hear anything about Communism, socialism or internationalism? Hell no, it’s all about maintaining, defending and improving one’s nation. It’s all about nationalism, which is what Vietnamese want to hear.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  47. Lin says:
    @Justsaying

    “I am not Vietnamese, but have never gotten over how present day Vietnam seems to have put aside their own holocaust visited on by America..”
    ……..
    Good question. ‘Nationalism’ is a funny and psychogical thing.
    (To me, a patriot is one who cares about the basic welfare of the common people..)
    (I bumped into a hindu nationalist site recently during the hindu-pak clashes, and the posters, most of them live in US,ie outside the sub-continent, want to esculate the conflict to even nuke level; the simple bottom line is they no longer live in the sub-continent and couldn’t care less)
    I once encountered Viet ‘nationalists'(from US) who (or their parents) fled with great desperation to a country which bombed and poisoned the fuck of their native country.
    ……………..……
    My only conclusion: ‘Agent Orange’ is a very addictive drug.

  48. @Lin

    LGBTQ… Your mind is warped! A group, through shenanigans takes control of a society and then persuades the rest that they are the best… I don’t know much about India or China but I know one thing for sure: they are free of the Afro-Semitic cultures, ideas, gods and charlatans!

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @anonymous
    , @Truth
  49. To me, peoples from Burma to the Philippines look like a mixture of Indians and Chinese… just look at that shaman with dark skin and curls in hair while sporting slanted eyes.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Che Guava
  50. @Linh Dinh

    Hi Linh,

    I like those instructions to the Viet kids. Of course the question is always how well are they followed, or will be when the kids grow up. Still my best wishes to them.

    I won’t bother commenting on what they teach kids in the west, or the values the teachers impart to their charges, lest I ruin the message in your comment with negativity. Better to end on a positive note.

    Cheers!

  51. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    “Your mind is warped”? Could be, but warped in the proper way.
    Hindus have lots of ‘pride’ you know:

    https://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/01/13/talks-of-7000-year-old-spaceships-jolt-102nd-indian-science-congress/

    “A group, through shenanigans takes control of a society and then persuades the rest that they are the best..”. Right on, go ask the former india prime minister Mr. Singh

    Indian leader likens caste system to apartheid regime
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/28/india.mainsection

  52. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    “To me, peoples from Burma to the Philippines look like a mixture of Indians and Chinese..”
    Chinese are mainly mongloids.
    Phillipinos are mainly australoids, saved for the ethnic Chinese or mestizo
    Chinese civilization started in the north then spreaded gradually to the south.
    Thousands of years ago,the south part of nowadays china were (sparsely?) inhabited by australoids. They were either driven further south to S.E. Asia or assimulated. People in northern part of vietnam I read are of 70% Chinese ancestry.

  53. Sparkon says:
    @republic

    Yes, thanks. I took part in that long discussion and contributed 33 comments, not only about Betty Ann Ong’s Chinese name Deng Yuewei, but also about 3D visualization, “nanothermite,” airplane punch-outs in the WTC, the capabilities of live video insertion systems, and warnings from CBS executives in 2000 of the potential for abuse of this technology to deceive the public with phony broadcast images, as well as debunking a couple hearsay mongers.

  54. @jeff stryker

    The three wise men, are first, imaginary and, second, Magi which are Zoroastrian priests. Marco Polo found a traditional tomb of the Magi in Iran. Their purpose in the Gospels is to let the informed reader know that the Zoroastrian world savior who is announced in Isaiah has appeared.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Truth
  55. @ploni almoni

    Right, Magi were Persian. But nobody in Nazareth was or is African. They’re Arabs.

    • Replies: @Lin
  56. Lin says:
    @jeff stryker

    2016 was an important anniversary of an ancient saint who was crucifed by the Romans& had Augustine the theologian as disciple.
    Jesus ? Yes, and there’s another one who fit the bill:
    Mani or Manichaeus 216–276 AD
    Lord of the Rings, Star Wars are said to be Manichaean themed
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
    Manichaeism is a branch of Zoroastrianism, a Persian religion.
    …………
    According to Jin Yong the HK (martial art) novelist, the founding emperor Zhu Yuanzhang of Ming dynasty named his dynasty after Mani: Mani —>Ming

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  57. Che Guava says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    As others have said, that ‘shaman’ is almost certainly Indian,

    Not just skin colour (although no east Asian goes quite that dark, no matter how much sun), that self-skewering thing is also from India.

    The second photo connected with him is interesting, the divination wheel and papers look more like the Chinese style.

    Very creative man!

  58. Wally says:
    @onebornfree

    So according to you, everyone is then “crap”.

    We can’t always get what we want right away, but this is a good start after just two years of incredible impediments:

    – Complete List of President Trump’s Accomplishments in the Two Years Since His Historic 2016 Election Win
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/here-it-is-complete-list-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-in-the-two-years-since-his-historic-2016-election-win/
    and:
    – Trump’s 60-point accomplishment list : https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/media-blackout-trumps-60-point-accomplishment-list-of-american-greatness
    and
    – Giving Trump’s accomplishments their due : https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/6/giving-trumps-accomplishments-their-due/

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Lin
    , @eah
  59. Che Guava says:
    @Lin

    Manichaeism is not a branch of Zoroastrianism.

    You really need to read a little more before asserting such things.

    Mani initially presented himself as an extender of Christianity. This was before Constantine and the Council of Nice, so plenty of others were adopting and had adopted ideas of dualism, most notably Marcion of Sinope, in the early to mid-second century, who claimed (and I agree) that the God of the old testament was not the same as that of the new.

    While Marcionite churches survived for centuries in Syria and other places, the cult of Mani did not.

    Your claim re. China is nonsense, Nestorian Christianity did reach China, lived there for many centuries, but if the cult of Mani ever did, it soon vanished and would not have given the name to a much later dynasty.

    Don’t mistake me, I find Mani and the surviving devotional literature interesting, but it did not have an eastward journey.

    As for Star Wars, the Force was just something Lucas made up as a plot device for the hippies of his own generation. His background inspirations were fiction (Dune), old television (Buck Rogers), earlier cinema (Kurosawa’s samurai works to that date and the better westerns for plot points, Silent Running for the droids and design elements), but he had no metaphysical or philosophical vision beyond good guys vs. bad guys. I am pretty sure I have heard him, on video, say that himself.

  60. Che Guava says:
    @Talha

    Some Jewish guy on another site was ranting ‘I just heard of this Jewish guy selling kosher Pho, I will just have to check it next time in San. Fran.’

    If that doesn’t give you a feeling for how stupid your comment rang, too bad.

    • Replies: @Talha
  61. Talha says:
    @Che Guava

    ranting

    Doesn’t sound like ranting to me.

    how stupid your comment rang

    Aww, did you get triggered again by another one of my comments, Che? Poor guy. You really ought to learn to use the “Ignore Commenter” button. Maybe you can ask Mr. Dinh nicely to ask me to leave. Trust me, if he does, I won’t show up any of his articles again.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Lin
  62. Lin says:
    @Talha

    to Che Guava:

    “Manichaeism is not a branch of Zoroastrianism..”
    You’re BSing. Fact is Manichaeism is of Persian origin and there had been attempt to merge the two. Both emphasize on conflict between ‘light’ and ‘darkness’. ‘Branch’ is just my metaphoric way to state their relation. You just over emphasise its relation with christainity.
    As with history of Manichaeism in China, I definitely trust Jin Yong’s interpretation more than any of your craps; his ancestors were officials of the Chinese imperial courts and he sure knew a thing or two.
    “As for Star Wars, the Force was just something Lucas made up as a plot device for the hippies of his own generation….”
    That’s laughable. You took fictions too seriously. ‘Manichaeist themed’ could be just a loose interpretation of ‘light and darkness’; besides I’m not the one who initiated linking starwars to Manichaeism.

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Talha
  63. @Linh Dinh

    One can reject Marx and USA both.

    Solzhenitsyn did it–more or less.

    • Agree: Talha
  64. Lin says:
    @Wally

    There’s a possibility of forming a Trump centric religious sect:
    —-
    ***Who is Donald Trump?
    Trump won the election in Nov 2016
    Incidentallly, Dec 30th 2016 is the 100th anniversary of the death/departure of Grigori Rasputin, known as the “Jesus of Siberia’ to his followers or scorned as the mad monk who quickened the fall of the Romanov dynasty. IMO, or rather as my own fascination, he could be Jesus who failed his second coming to save the world from a world war after Lucifer tempted him with the vision of the 20th century sex liberation to come and rewarded him with the prodigious sex prowess he was so famous for. Mind you, Jesus, as in his first coming was also subjected to Lucifer’s temptation and as a human, he had his free will to choose though he didn’t succumb at the mountain top then.
    *** Rasputin was the Jesus who failed. The 2nd coming of Jesus became Rasputin’s cumming

    Common Attributes of Rasputin and Jesus:
    1)Both were healers,had visions, could perform ‘miracles’ and were called messiah by their followers
    2)both were hard to kill. Rasputin survived eating chocolate cakes laced with enough cyanide to kill a horse, gun shots, stabbing, castration and finally died drowned in a icy river in Moscow.
    ……..
    **Seems some yankie evangelists claim Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus, well, I keep my eyes open.
    Trump might be the 3rd coming of Jesus

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Germanicus
    , @Wally
  65. Talha says:
    @Lin

    I think you replied to the wrong guy; it’s ok.

    As far as Star Wars – I’ve always been more of a Dune fan myself, for the obvious reasons…among them:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Lin
  66. Lin says:
    @Talha

    Yes, my apology I clicked the reply button at the wrong spot.
    Actually I’m a serious dune fan myself.
    There had been a number of failed attempt to remake Dune.
    Hope this one will succeed:
    https://movieweb.com/dune-remake-cast-javier-bardem/
    Charlotte Rampling? Is she going to be casted as Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam?
    Not sure if you’re aware that Frank Herbert was a cousin of Joseph McCarthy

    • Replies: @Talha
  67. Talha says:
    @Lin

    Did not know that about Herbert. I’m looking forward to the remake. However, if this one is also going to be crappy, I am officially done with watching movies in the theater ever again…not that I watch any other than the ones my kids drag me to.

    Peace.

  68. @Brabantian

    Perhaps you are thinking of Maurice Samuel’s You Gentiles.

  69. anonymoys says:
    @Truth

    Jesus was not “a jew”. Maybe He was born ” a jew” but identity isn’t , as Mr Dinh, seems to believe, permanent. Saul was born ” a jew”, but to refer to Jesus or Paul as ” jew”, seems to me wrong.

    Marx was a disgusting piece of man and completely wrong in his “economics” and forecast. His identity is completely irrelevant.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @anarchyst
    , @Truth
  70. eah says:
    @Lin

  71. anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Mangods… Animal-gods… the damned pagans and animists.

  72. eah says:
    @Wally

    Trump has abjectly failed to do anything about the main and most important issue that got him elected: immigration — his cowardice and spinelessness has been plain for all to see — ultimately he did not have the guts to issue an EO ending (the absurdity of) birthright citizenship; he never talks about this anymore — then in the SOTU he says he wants more legal immigrants than ever, repeated at CPAC — like a cuck he prattles on about black and Hispanic unemployment, although these people did not and will not vote for him — same re Jews — he never, ever mentions or defends by name the people who elected him: Whites — people voted for Trump but got Jeb Bush anyway — so fuck him.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @eah
  73. anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Both were Caucasian men…

    Can’t have caucasians worshipping brown-mangods, yeah? Lol!

    Pagans… *shakes head in disgust*

  74. @Lin

    **Seems some yankie evangelists claim Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus, well, I keep my eyes open.

    The US never ceases to amaze me in their insanity.
    I heard some evangelical loons comparing Trump with King Cyrus and minting a coin with these two. But that Trump was Jesus, incredible news, will be well received in godless EUSSR Brussels.
    Here was me as an “old Europe” Christian thinking Jesus was the Messiah sent to the jews, and they had him killed. But what to expect from people who read a Schofield bible? They could also worship the monkey god, just let the judaized Evangelical add it to their bible, offer them some Judas coins.

  75. anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    they are free of the Afro-Semitic cultures, ideas, gods and charlatans!

    What a silly thing to say, of societies you claim to know not much of.

    Those Indian pagans may be free of “Afro-Semitic…,” but they are up to their eyeballs in their own batshit crazy, “cultures, ideas, gods and charlatans!”

    Look up their worship of rapist deities (Vishnu/Tulsi), gay/androgynous deities (Shiva/Vishnu), worship of the phallus and vagina (lingam/yoni), animal-worship, etc.

    But, given that you too are a mangod-worshipping pagan… I suppose your support for them comes naturally.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  76. @Sparkon

    My interest in Ong, as you may recall, derives from the tale of Betty Ong

    It would be very surprising to me if the Vietnamese “Ông” has any etymological relationship to the Chinese surname attributed to the 9/11 heroine, Betty Ong.

    Of course, “Ong” is, in principle, the English transliteration of her Chinese name, which was presented as 邓, which is variously written in English as Deng, Teng, or Tan, but never as Ong. So all that, as we went over back when, is totally FUBAR to anybody who knows some Chinese, but obviously far less strikingly FUBAR than the photo of a black girl labelled as Betty Ong in the high school yearbook!

    I very honestly don’t think that further investigation of all this stuff really leads anywhere. In general, I’ve never made any bones about the fact that I don’t believe that Betty Ong, the flight attendant is a real person. As I said, I scoured the Internet, social media and such, and never found anything relating to this person that does not give off an overwhelming whiff of phoniness.

    Unz’s position was that, not only is Betty obviously a real person (obviously!) but that it is self-evidently nutty on my part to doubt her existence.

    It’s a rather strange position, to say the least. I mean, if you’ve come to the conclusion that the 9/11 official story is largely a fiction, then why would you be so adamant that a character in that fiction must be a real person?

    Well, Sparkon, as I said before quite sincerely, I consider you one of the best commenters around here and I would like to cordially invite you to join the Discourse forum I set up. Hey, even if I don’t think the Betty Ong conversation leads anywhere, I’ll answer you if you write something about it. You could post something here: https://heresy.space/t/revisiting-9-11-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/34

    Oh, you might want to check out my Jemma Beale/Jussie Smollett piece: https://heresycentral.is/revusky/beale-smollett/

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Sparkon
  77. @Jonathan Revusky

    9-11 QUESTION

    Why do people talk about 9-11 as if it was a recent event? That was 18 years ago. Imagine in 2001 people discussing an event that took place in 1983.

    Yes, the event was tragedy but it occurred 18 years ago.

    People discuss 9-11 as if it took place last week.

    As for “Ong” it is a Fujian Chinese surname and common in the Philippines among Chinese-Filipinos in particular.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  78. @anonymous

    A substantial number of Tamils are Catholic and virtually all of Goa.

    Also Muslim Indians are a good proportion of India.

    Hindus don’t particularly like Christianity and Hinduism is less relevant today as a religion that as a power structure with Brahmin at the top.

  79. @Linh Dinh

    Linh, I’m also curious as to where the Vietnamese language fits in. In my old encyclopedias, in states that it is a Sino-Tibetan language, in the same family as the Chinese languages. But I believe that modern linguists today classify it in another language family. The whole SE Asia region is a hodgepodge of different language. Going from memory, I think Cambodian is in the same family as Vietnamese, the main Burmese dialect is Sino-Tibetan, and Thai and the main Laotian dialect are in a completely different family from either. And Thai and Laotian are very closely related – as close as say, Spanish and Italian. And then you have a bunch of other small groups like the Hmong who are either their own isolate language or related to other larger families such as Austronesian.

  80. anarchyst says:
    @anonymoys

    Jesus Christ was of the Essene sect, an offshoot of judaism which espoused many Christian-like principles…
    There is also speculation that Jesus Christ traveled to India, where he picked up certain spiritual concepts.

    • Replies: @Lin
  81. anarchyst says:
    @anonymoys

    Jesus Christ was of the Essene sect, which espoused many Christian-like principles. It is speculated that Jesus Christ also traveled to the Indian continent during his life, in which he picked up certain spiritual practices…

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  82. Lin says:
    @anarchyst

    “There is also speculation that Jesus Christ traveled to India, where he picked up certain spiritual concepts..”
    That’s basically new age BS pushed by crackpot hindu ‘historians’ such as a certain P.N.Oak.
    Oak also claimed Rome actually was ‘Rama’..believe it or not

    http://romaisrama.blogspot.com/2014/08/

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  83. anarchyst says:
    @Lin

    We will never know…one can always wonder and speculate…
    Many of Christianity’s concepts are similar to those in India…

    • Replies: @Lin
  84. anonymoys says:
    @anarchyst

    ” It is speculated that Jesus Christ also traveled to the Indian continent during his life”

    Or maybe India/the East traveled and met him there and then.

  85. Lin says:
    @anarchyst

    “Many of Christianity’s concepts are similar to those in India..”
    Sure if one looks at religions from a certain angle, they probably share something in common; eg:
    **the golden calf worshippers during Exodus could be considered as proto-hindus
    **the epic of Gilgamesh and the book of Genesis have something in common
    –bear in mind that Abraham was an ancient Iraqi(Babylonian)
    ……..
    but whether Jesus went to india to become a hindu/buddhist or whether Rome was actually ‘Rama’ are quite different matters. There’s no record Jesus revered cows nor he expounded the idea of an elaborate polytheistic pantheon like that of the hindus.

  86. Wally says:
    @eah

    I guess you are unaware of his National Emergency. LOL

    I agree, he sucks up to Jews & blacks like everyone else. So what?

    Please actually read the comments I made that you pretend to be responding to.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @eah
  87. Wally says:
    @Lin

    I suggest that you put down the bottle when posting here.

    • Replies: @Lin
  88. Lin says:
    @Wally

    Wally my Brethren in Christ,
    I’m very sober.
    I’m a Christian of alternative conviction but I no longer attend church services nor belong to any congregation. Once I thought of attending bible seminary and becoming a church pastor. I dropped the idea after finding out that Christianity is not a religion found by Christ.
    I may be satirical at times but I usually serious. And I’m basically honest.
    ……………….
    You would never know, might be some years from now, people might call me Linus Nazarenus

  89. Sparkon says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    It would be very surprising to me if the Vietnamese “Ông” has any etymological relationship to the Chinese surname attributed to the 9/11 heroine, Betty Ong.

    but obviously far less strikingly FUBAR than the photo of a black girl labelled as Betty Ong in the high school yearbook!

    Agreed. But Ong and Ông are different words in Vietnamese. Assuming I didn’t make some mistake with Google Translate, what I stumbled upon serendipitously is the fact that “Ong” with no diacritical mark in Vietnamese means “bees,” and Betty Ong’s apparent nickname was “Bee.” There’s nothing necessarily sinister about the coincidence as the nickname easily could have been given to her by someone who spoke Vietnamese, or for some other reason beyond my comprehension.

    But I don’t think anyone could have made her black, although a flub by the yearbook production staff is not impossible, but as I recall there is no incontrovertible picture of Betty Ong in any of those yearbooks.

    The Chinese name Deng Yuewei in hanzi on her memorial plaque is still a head-scratcher for me. As I’ve said: I don’t know what it means, but it must mean something. For every thing there is a reason, and an explanation.

    Unz Review running too slowly for me to check right now, but there was a commenter to your article Colden Hollyfield or something like that who claimed to have reached the school and was trying to get a smartphone photo of the yearbook. I thought he had contacted you, so I’m curious: did anything every materialize?

    Whatever the case, Ong’s recorded performance on 9/11 is not convincing at all. Initial reports said the stews were screaming. I finally came around to the NPT, no planes theory, very reluctantly, but as Sherlock Holmes was made to say by Arthur Conan Doyle:, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    Thanks for your very kind words and courteous invitation Jonathon. Currently, my local internet security policy prevents me from signing up for anything on the world wide web, probably to avoid establishing a very large, even runaway carbon mouthprint online, beyond what you see here.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  90. Truth says:
    @anonymoys

    My friend, that’s because you have bought into the Satanic deception, 2,000 years in the making of what a “Jew” is.

    Jesus (Yeshua actually) was known as “King of the Jews.” Of course as the son of God, he was king of all.

    The reason Paul was chosen by God as one of the 4 main desciples was for his FERVOR IN BEING A JEW! Saul was the ultimate Pharisee-Jew; aka, his life’s work was to prosecute, hound and destroy Christians and he did a very good job, but God saw his work ethinc at EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what he intended in sending Jesus, and enlisted him in the cause, after blinding him as punishment.

    God prefers a fervent nonbeliever to a lukewarm Christian as is indicated in Revelation 3:16.

    • Replies: @VagabondTheElder
  91. Agent76 says:

    Aug 6, 2013 Evolution Vs. God Movie

    Hear expert testimony from leading evolutionary scientists from some of the world’s top universities:

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    • Replies: @Talha
  92. Sparkon says:
    @jeff stryker

    Why do people talk about 9-11 as if it was a recent event? That was 18 years ago. Imagine in 2001 people discussing an event that took place in 1983.

    I talk about it, not as if it were a recent event, but rather because 9/11 remains an unsolved crime with the criminals still at large.

    There is no statute of limitations for murder and terrorism.

    Why are people on UR still talking about WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Kennedy assassinations?

    We call it history. Past may be prologue.

    ‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.’

    — George Santayana

    I trust this may be helpful.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  93. eah says:
    @Wally

    So what? — he wasn’t elected to be just another a ‘so what’ President — he didn’t campaign like a ‘so what’ candidate — all the ‘so what’ Republican candidates were rejected in the primaries — Please actually read the comments… — I only responded to one comment, which I did read.

  94. Truth says:
    @ploni almoni

    I’m struggling a bit with the genius here, Sport. How can something be:

    1. Imaginary. and

    2. Historic, at the same time?

  95. Talha says:
    @Agent76

    Very interesting video, thanks!

    Peace.

  96. @Sparkon

    a flub by the yearbook production staff is not impossible

    Well, you can go through years of these old yearbooks and, in San Francisco obviously, there are hundreds of Chinese ethnics with names like Ong, Wong, Chang,… and you look at the pictures and they are ALL Chinese kids! I never saw anybody with an obviously Asian surname in any of these yearbooks who is black except on that page!

    [MORE]

    But, okay, unlike some elements of the official 9/11 story, it’s not utterly impossible, just highly unlikely. The likelihood that the one time there is a kid with an obviously Chinese surname who is Black in her high school yearbook, that this is our gal Betty Ong…. this is extremely unlikely. Outrageously unlikely… 🙂

    And then, all these people under my last article trying to tell you that this is not something very strange…. but… you know all that…

    On the other hand, the thing about Ong meaning “bees” in Vietnamese seems to me like it probably is a coincidence. Almost certainly…

    As for the guy whose screen name was Cold N. Holefield, yeah he was in touch with me but later disappeared, didn’t answer any more emails. I gather he was in touch with the school but I get the feeling they gave him the runaround.

    Whatever the case, Ong’s recorded performance on 9/11 is not convincing at all.

    Yeah, well, there’s nothing about Betty Ong that is convincing.

    I finally came around to the NPT, no planes theory, very reluctantly,

    Well, this, for me, is an interesting question. All the Betty Ong stuff seems beaten to death at this point.

    Here is a question to ponder: how many people have started off believing in no planes but then decided they believed in the planes?

    Or has it, like children who stop believing in Santa Claus, always been in the opposite direction?

    Another question: why are there people within the 9/11 Truth movement who have turned belief in the plane crashes into a sine qua none?

    By the way, I also do not believe there were any plane crashes. And, yeah, when I started off, getting red-pilled on 9/11 (I wasn’t so fast, it took me 10 years after the event) I just assumed that there were plane crashes.

    I think that, finally, I just realized that you can’t tell yourself a story involving real planes that makes any sense, so the no planes scenario must be the truth. But that took me a few years more.

    I’m quite disappointed that you won’t sign up on the forum. You have to understand that my situation on this site is basically persona non grata. I’m subject to a certain level of low-level harassment with my comments getting censored and stuff. It’s likely that I’m going to reach a point here where I just cease to post anything on principle. I’ve basically had it with the whole scene here. Surely you have seen enough of what I’ve gone through to understand why.

    Well, if you want to talk to me, you can drop me a private email at revusky (at) gmail. But if you (or anybody really) is going to be adamant that the only place they’ll communicate with me is on this site, well, they’re probably effectively choosing not to communicate with me — which, okay, is their option too… but that’s just about how it is…

  97. @Sparkon

    911 is more than history, it’s still current and topical. Because, if you remember, after the event President Bush declared the War on Terror promising that it would last for the next 15 years and launched the invasion of Afghanistan. Well the 15 years are over and the US is still in Afghanistan. So no 911, no war on terror, no invasions and bombings here and there. I’d say 911 is most relevant until some other US president declares that the war on terror is finally over. Then we can relegate 911 to history, same like Pearl Harbor became history after World War II was over.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  98. eah says:
    @eah

    • Replies: @eah
  99. @Commentator Mike

    Then we can relegate 911 to history, same like Pearl Harbor became history after World War II was over.

    I agree with the gist of what you’re saying overall, but I would make the comment that I’m pretty sure that the official story on Pearl Harbor is not truthful either.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  100. Sparkon says:

    911 is more than history, it’s still current and topical.

    Yes. That was the first thing I said, but you are straining yourself now to mischaracterize my comment, and build a strawman.

    Apparently you forgot my first two sentences before you got to end of my comment, which had two parts.

    In the first part — two sentences — I explained clearly and unambiguously why I — yours truly — continue to talk about 9/11. I said it was an unsolved crime.

    Nowhere did I say that it was merely history. The word does not appear in either of my two sentences about 9/11 in the first part of my comment, so I’ve kicked your strawman to the curb.

    And you ask if I remember? Where have you been?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  101. @Jonathan Revusky

    The official story of Pearl Harbor is not truthful in that the US had warnings from several sources that it was going to happen. Now what were they supposed to do? Send their ships and air force out to meet the Japanese navy and fight it out at sea? It would have still started the war but perhaps it would not be as clear who actually started it. Unless you think it was a genuine false flag perpetrated by the US military itself with planes painted with Japanese insignia.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  102. eah says:
    @eah

  103. @Sparkon

    Perhaps it was the tone of my wording that makes you think I was disagreeing with you or trying to pick an argument. I was just adding some more detail and perhaps giving a slightly different perspective, but of course I agree with you fully that the criminals should be exposed, tried, and sentenced.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  104. Sparkon says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Thanks Commenter Mike. The prickly attitude was all mine.

    Yes, I agree that FDR knew the Japanese carrier strike force was on its way to attack Pearl Harbor, and he withheld that knowledge from the Pearl commanders. It was his intention and desire that the attack would be successful and propel the United States into WWII.

    The cryptic and inscrutable agent Adolf Hitler gave likely Red agent FDR what he really wanted on a silver platter several days later when Germany foolishly declared war on the United States.

    • Replies: @eah
  105. eah says:
    @Sparkon

    It was his intention and desire that the attack would be successful and propel the United States into WWII.

    FYI, a podcast with Douglas Horne about that: FDR and the Attack on Pearl Harbor

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  106. @Commentator Mike

    Unless you think it was a genuine false flag perpetrated by the US military itself with planes painted with Japanese insignia.

    Okay, look, I am already ambivalent about participating much further on these forums, but when somebody just starts with stuff that is just trolling, I have to decline.

    Of course, I never said that Pearl Harbor was a “false flag”. Obviously, the Japanese military carried out the operation.

    What I said specifically was that the official story was not truthful. The official version is that the Pearl Harbor operation was a surprise, unprovoked attack.

    It was certainly not “unprovoked” and, as for it being a “surprise”, I guess it was a surprise for the poor expendable schmucks on the ground at Pearl Harbor. However, it seems that it was not a surprise to the higher ups in Washington.

    But I don’t really want to discuss it here. If you want to know more about the topic, go read a book or two about it.

    • Agree: eah
  107. Sparkon says:
    @eah

    I didn’t listen to the podcast, but I did see this argument from Douglas Horne (in the comments), which in my view tarnishes rather than burnishes his credibility:

    FDR feared—rightly so—that a Japanese full-scale attack on Siberia might have knocked the USSR out of the war. The oil embargo which began at the end of July 1941 prevented the Japanese from going north, and helped keep the USSR in the war, since Stalin was then able to transfer 1.5 million troops westward for the defense of Moscow in October of 1941. This is my “realpolitik” view of why FDR froze Japanese assets and allowed his bureaucrats to quietly implement an oil embargo on Japan.

    Horne repeats the commonly heard myth that Stalin transferred 1.5 million troops westward in October 1941, when Nigel Askey has shown that there is no record of any significant transfer of Siberian or Far Eastern Red Army troops to the Moscow front after the Germans attacked in 1941!
    The Red Army had at least 12 million trained reserves. Askey argues that it was the rapid and unprecedented mobilization of significant numbers of these reserves that saved Moscow, not the mythical transfer of any so-called hardened Siberian divisions.

    So the question is; who stopped the Germans in December 1941 if it couldn’t possibly have been hordes of newly arrived Siberian or East Front troops? The answer is a massive number of newly mobilised and deployed divisions and brigades.The Soviet land model shows that 182 rifle divisions, 43 militia rifle divisions, eight tank divisions, three mechanised divisions, 62 tank brigades, 50 cavalry divisions, 55 rifle brigades, 21 naval rifle brigades, 11 naval infantry brigades, 41 armies, 11 fronts and a multitude of other units were newly Mobilised and Deployed (MD) in the second half of 1941.

    Stalin and Stavka would not have denuded Red Army forces in the Far East, and in any event there was was no need for such drastic action. The Red Army had the abundant reserves and powerful weapons, including the two best tanks in the world, to stop the Wehrmacht in its tracks when the moment was right. Zhukov’s decisive counteroffensive against Army Group Center began on Dec. 6, 1941. Coincidence theorists may take note of the date.

    Even more absurd is Horne’s argument that a Japanese attack in Siberia might have knocked the USSR out of the war,. In my view, these kinds of weak, if not entirely bogus arguments put a big dent in Horne’s credibility. The tinpot IJA could not advance even 10 miles against the Red Army at Khalkiin Gol (Nomonhan) in 1939, and was virtually wiped out by Zhukov’s counterattack.

    In any event, there was little in Siberia to justify a Japanese attack

    As time allows, I intend to have a look at what Horne says about JFK’s murder.

    • Replies: @eah
  108. eah says:
    @Sparkon

    it was the rapid and unprecedented mobilization of significant numbers of these reserves that saved Moscow

    The frigid weather and exhaustion/high casualties among German troops didn’t hurt the Russians’ cause either.

    I’m more familiar with Horne’s work on the JFK assassination.

  109. @Linh Dinh

    Neither Jesus or Marx are white, they are Jews. Jesus of the old Middle Eastern Hebrew variety, Marx of the Yid-Khazar variety.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  110. @VagabondTheElder

    Would you be able to TELL Marx was not German Christian (Or at least European) to look at him?

    European Jews look quite white.

    • Replies: @VagabondTheElder
  111. @jeff stryker

    Some European Jews are genetically white, they are the descendants of “white” converts, perhaps an example is Bill Krystal, but most do not look white because they are not of NW European people. Do not confuse white with European or European with white, the terms are not synonymous as not all Europeans are white. Marx would easily be seen as an Easterner, of the non-white variety. Like Stalin, or Jennifer Rubin.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  112. @Truth

    The Old Testament has been proven fiction. If Christ, who probably never lived, was the son of God, why would he claim to be prophecy from a book of fiction?

    • Replies: @Truth
  113. @VagabondTheElder

    Genetic studies indicate that European Jews are something like 60% Italian. They are more Italian than anything else.

    That’s no surprise. Look how often Jews play Italians in films. Henry Winkler, James Caan, David Proval.

    Culturally, Jews and Italians are pretty close. They are like Norwegians and Scots.

    The much-touted Khazar blood is pretty minimal. A small number of Russian Jews are descended from these people and indeed, Rosanne Barr and Leonard Nimoy look Asiatic.

    Mostly though, European Jews are a bunch of Italians.

    When the Jews moved to Poland, apparently a fair number of locals converted. Which is why Harvey Keitel looks Slavic, for example.

    • Replies: @VagabondTheElder
  114. @jeff stryker

    > Genetic studies indicate that European Jews are something like 60% Italian. They are more Italian than anything else.

    This isn’t correct in the DNA point and it isn’t acknowledging the Italians you speak of, Southern Italians, are not white – they are Meds, a mixed race people with some white genetics.

    The much-touted Khazar blood is pretty minimal

    DNA tests say otherwise.

    When Ashkenazi take DNA tests, this is what they are told.

    https://theconversation.com/uncovering-ancient-ashkenaz-the-birthplace-of-yiddish-speakers-58355

    There is no more perpetuating the myth Ashkenazi Jews descend from ancient Hebrews. The name Ashknenaz comes from Turkic Asia, a combination of city names such as Iskenaz, Eskenez, Ashanas, Aschuz as shown in the image linked to below.

    https://images.theconversation.com/files/121223/original/image-20160504-6918-11bn3h9.gif?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

    On the above link’s map is the marking of DNA origination for Yiddish speakers. Yiddish, the trading language of the Jewish Ashkenazi trading empire, later adopting some Germanic influence as these people came from the East.

    It’s game over for “We’re the real Jews.” The Ashkenazi father was a Turkic Asian horse trader, the mother a converted European. Even 23 and Me shows this to be true. Though Jews screamed at 23 and Me about “antisemitism” for factual DNA results, and 23 and Me no longer says Ashkenazi are descended from Khazar. Instead 23 and Me now states the following:

    “Now there is no mention of the so-called Khazar theory on 23andMe’s site. Instead the company has published information about a nomadic group of people called the Yamnaya, which roamed Central Asia 4,500 years ago. The region ascribed to the Yamanya on 23andMe’s site overlaps with the historical boundary of the Khazar empire, which covers Eastern Ukraine, the Russian Caucasus and western Kazakhstan.”

    Read more: https://forward.com/news/national/381500/23andme-backpedals-on-khazar-theory-but-the-alt-right-eats-it-up-anyway/

    Notice the link’s wording? “Backpedals” “alt-right eats it up anyway”, amusing isn’t it? Sure, 23 and Me backpedaled in a sense and changed Khazar to the Yamnaya – as the Yamnaya were earlier than the Khazar, technically that’s a backpedal deeper into the same region’s history, but the location didn’t change. Still from Turkic Asia. Science wrecks your myths, deal with it.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  115. Truth says:
    @VagabondTheElder

    Please, share your “proof.”

  116. @VagabondTheElder

    Southern Italians like Al Pacino and Stallone are not white? They look white to me.

    “Science wrecks your myths”

    Read Jared Taylor’s article. The Askenazi race began when Jews wandered into Rome and intermarried Italian women.

    There’s a billion links and an Amren article by Taylor to support this.

    Jews don’t look Turkic Mongol in the main; they look like Al Pacino. You can hardly tell an Italian and a Jew apart. If the average Sicilian told you he was Jewish, you’be believe him. Its like a Norwegian telling you he is Swedish.

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