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No presidential candidate should be taken seriously unless he or she addresses these basic concerns:

9/11

Since this is the pretext for our endless War on Terror, it should be examined thoroughly and publicly, with testimonies from pilots, architects, engineers, scientists and eye witnesses, including first responders. Like many Americans, I find the official explanation ludicrous. Why can’t we have a convincing answer to how World Trade Center 7 imploded and collapsed into its own footprint? Or how was it possible for a Boeing 757 to shave the ground and hit the Pentagon from the side, as steered by an amateur pilot? Many other questions have also been brushed aside, with Donald Trump going only as far as implying that Saudi Arabia may be behind this tragedy. Why Saudi Arabia, but not Israel? By suppressing a legitimate investigation, Washington is at least complicit in this unspeakable crime. Both the how and who of that day need to brought to light, though I fear much of America will be smoldering ruins before then. The criminals will have finished the job.

Terrorism

The US and its allies have funded and trained the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS, so how can it claim to be fighting terrorists? Bin Laden, too, was an American asset, and it sure wasn’t him our bumbling Seals killed on May 2nd, 2011. Even as a non-corpse, Osama served Uncle Sam. For five years, Syria has been attacked by American-backed terrorists. Many arrived from Libya, a country we’ve already wrecked, to the glee of Hillary Clinton. The US has a long history of using terrorists and hooligans to destabilize countries, but it poses, preposterously, as the upholder of global stability. Though none of our politicians can possibly be blind to this grotesque contradiction, they play along with the Disney script. In spite of his token or symbolic objection to the Iraq invasion, Sanders supported regime changes in Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and now Syria.

Military Reach

The US isn’t patrolling this entire earth to protect its allies, but to make sure they don’t fall out of its sphere of influence. It’s not occupying Europe to shield it against Russia, for example, but to prevent Europeans from cozying up to Russia and China. Eurasia must not become an integrated block. Fine, this is what an empire is supposed to do, but when it’s hollowed out and falling apart, perhaps it’s time to redefine America? Though brainwashed from cradle to grave that theirs is the indispensible nation, the apex of mankind and climax of history, many Americans have started to doubt their special status as their Access card runs short each month, their muffler scrapes the asphalt and their toothache goes untreated. Though it’s painful to fall from first to middling, one must deal with this new reality. Closing bases, withdrawing troops and gutting the military budget will allow us to focus and spend on domestic exigencies. The alternative is to go berserk with missiles as the curtain falls. Lost in unreality and hubris, Donald Trump wants our allies to pay us to keep them in line. He also thinks Mexico should foot the bill for a border wall to keep themselves out.

Borders

U.S. borders are not porous out of charity or ineptness, but because this benefits American businesses, and it has always been this way. Instead of bringing in slaves, indentured servants and coolies, our rulers welcome illegal immigrants to keep wages down. This also keeps our social fabric in constant turmoil, thus making a unified front against our masters nearly impossible.

Illegal immigration from Mexico was greatly exacerbated by NAFTA, for it allowed us to dump subsidized corn onto the Mexican market, thus bankrupting their farmers and forcing many to sweat inside American-owned maquilladoras. When many of these shut down, a wave of Mexicans crossed over to become the main workforce of our housing bubble.

American borders, then, are essentially violated by its own government, but this shouldn’t surprise, since Washington routinely ignores other countries’ borders. There is a huge difference, however. When we barge into another country, it’s never to empty their bedpans or wash their dishes, but usually to kill them. America is the world’s most persistent and violent violator of international borders.

Moving forward, the US should respect all borders, including its own. Without having to relentlessly compete against illegal immigrants, poorer Americans will have a better chance at regaining their economic equilibrium.

Banks

Reviving an initiative started by Ron Paul, Donald Trump wants to audit the Federal Reserve, but as Paul, Ellen Brown and others have pointed out repeatedly over the years, the ultimate solution is to abolish the Fed altogether, for why should this criminal banking cartel have the power to ease money out of its fat ass to lend to the rest of us? We need United States Notes, as authorized by Kennedy before he was shot, not Federal Reserve perpetual debt vehicles. A country that can’t even coin its own currency is one without sovereignty. Since it’s nothing but a loan shark outfit and money counterfeiter, the Federal Reserve must be eliminated.

Israel

Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.

Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.

 
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  1. iffen says:

    LD, stick with the artistic view.

    Conspiracy politics is not your forte.

    Leave that to the serious wingnuts like PCR.

    BTW, the sign that Vern saw was COLORED, not COLOURED.

    If it hasn’t disappeared in the last couple of years, I could show you the painted over impression and screw holes where such a sign was in place.

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    I agree, nothing wrong with branching out, but I like his travelogues with photos and interviews, one can find the conspiracy stuff on infowars and plenty of other places.
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  2. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Cruzing on empty.

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Why not go the whole hog and in addition to spreading trutherism about 9/11 and hating on Israel, also engage in holocaust denial? We know that’s where your sympathies lie, you have never objected to the holocaust deniers posting many hundreds of their screeds in the comments sections below your articles. What have you got to lose, you have no credibility left anyway.

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    • Replies: @neutral
    This is the funny thing with you jews, you imported millions of non whites to cement your power, the problem is that you failed to realize that only whites can be suckered into your guilt business.
    , @dahoit
    Holocaust deniers;I have never met anyone who denies Hitler put his political enemies in
    CCS and many many died.Never.
    I don't believe a word of the narrative given that belies the reality of Zionist power and control over US,and makes any discussion of what actually occurred in those camps illegal.
    Serial liars lie serially,and their track record is there for perusal,if one wishes.
    sheesh.
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  4. Instead of talking of wingnuts and the like, why don’t the first three posters make an attempt at explaining what happened to WTC-7?

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Thank you.

    But don't hold your breath...
    , @bluedog
    That should be self evident either they can't/won't think for themselves or else they are trolls your choice.!!!
    , @Boris
    Because it's generally a waste of time to attempt to wrestle the deluded back to reality. Conspiracy theories aren't about facts, but about pathological reasoning. No conspiracy theorist believes in just one conspiracy (e. g. the JFK reference above). I'm sure the moon landing and chemtrails will come up soon.
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  5. Sean2007 says:

    Excellent article. We need more discussion of the truth of our system and less obsessing over the bogus left/right divide or which corporate whore is going to get (s)elected to fuck us over. There is no one running for office in this country who represents the interest of civilization or the people. The biggest threat we face is not from Muslims or Mexicans but our political leaders and the criminal enterprises they serve.

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    • Replies: @JSM
    Horsepuckies. The biggest threat is race replacement. We can *ALWAYS* take up our torches and sharpened pitchforks. But if we don't exist anymore, that's about as big a threat as you get.
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  6. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As with a lot of other subjects any national politician who is a candidate for office would have to tread very carefully when dealing with a subject such as 9-11. The majority of people are not really well informed and don’t have time to delve very deeply into most subjects. Thus, whatever someone might say about such a contentious subject can very easily be distorted and twisted against him so it’s best to be somewhat circumspect. They can’t pitch things at a level that’s too far over the average person’s head. That might be unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Discussing 9-11 leads to a lot of acrimony and name calling which I’m sure you’ll get plenty of in this thread.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The majority of people are not really well informed ...
     
    Oh come on, the majority of people are STUPID. Over half the population in America has an IQ under 100. And tens of millions (growing rapidly due to third world invasion) are below 85.

    "Well informed"? Seriously? Even among those who scrape by above 100, how many are absolutely convinced that some omnipotent and omniscient Bronze Age sky fairy who cannot manage money is up there looking after their dead grandmother? Or that their sky fairy Chose their desert dwelling Tribe to rule over all other humanity which is fundamentally just livestock? Or that their sky fairy chose a red headed child molester to be his one true spokesman? Or that they used to be a dung beetle in a past life? And you worry about "well informed"?

    We live on the Planet of the Retards where billions of people aren't smart enough not to crap in their own water wells. We are a very long distance from where "well informed" is even a flickering possibility.
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  7. this everything in this article happens, I would start believing in a god.

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  8. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Tsar Nicholas
    Instead of talking of wingnuts and the like, why don't the first three posters make an attempt at explaining what happened to WTC-7?

    Thank you.

    But don’t hold your breath…

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  9. The man has a point. Had the JFK coup been properly investigated and the culprits called to account then 9/11 would likely not have even happened and America might still be great.

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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I like how the sock puppets instantly scream “conspiracy theorist”!! without dealing with the points about Building 7. Tell the Information Czar, whatever his name is, that that doesn’t really work anymore.

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  11. bluedog says:
    @Tsar Nicholas
    Instead of talking of wingnuts and the like, why don't the first three posters make an attempt at explaining what happened to WTC-7?

    That should be self evident either they can’t/won’t think for themselves or else they are trolls your choice.!!!

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  12. mtn cur says:

    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of “hey ya’ll, watch this ,” rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning. I cannot differ with the other details here, except to add that the phony citizens of the “western demon -ocracies have rolled over for consumerism like greedy kids rolling over for molesters in return for candy.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    I have to believe the US government would have screwed up any attempt at an "inside job."
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of “hey ya’ll, watch this ,” rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning.
     
    No airplane ever struck WTC bldg. 7, yet it imploded and went down exactly like the other two. Why? Obviously it had been rigged with explosives beforehand. I speculate that it was supposed to be struck by that third plane that went down in Pennsylvania--you remember the one: 'Let's roll!'

    That's just the most obvious part of the 9/11 fairy tale that needs to be re-examined ... but it's a damn good place for you to start.
    , @Tom Welsh
    "...the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid..."

    Did you know that the first pilot to crash his plane deliberately into an enemy ship in the Pacific War was an American, in 1941?
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  13. Boris says:
    @Tsar Nicholas
    Instead of talking of wingnuts and the like, why don't the first three posters make an attempt at explaining what happened to WTC-7?

    Because it’s generally a waste of time to attempt to wrestle the deluded back to reality. Conspiracy theories aren’t about facts, but about pathological reasoning. No conspiracy theorist believes in just one conspiracy (e. g. the JFK reference above). I’m sure the moon landing and chemtrails will come up soon.

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    Perhaps and perhaps not but can you explain why the JFK documents/investigation are all sealed until 2029, or why they refuse to release 19 pages of the 9-11 investigation, or why 60 minutes pulled the airing of its segment with Oswald's girlfriend in N.O. after they spent endless hours/days vetting her, not to mention the cost,yep something smells in the swamp known as foggy bottom along with its followers.!!@@
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  14. Marcus says:
    @iffen
    LD, stick with the artistic view.

    Conspiracy politics is not your forte.

    Leave that to the serious wingnuts like PCR.

    BTW, the sign that Vern saw was COLORED, not COLOURED.

    If it hasn't disappeared in the last couple of years, I could show you the painted over impression and screw holes where such a sign was in place.

    I agree, nothing wrong with branching out, but I like his travelogues with photos and interviews, one can find the conspiracy stuff on infowars and plenty of other places.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    I was serious. He's not any good at this type of writing. He should stick to his photos and character sketches.
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  15. Marcus says:
    @mtn cur
    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of "hey ya'll, watch this ," rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning. I cannot differ with the other details here, except to add that the phony citizens of the "western demon -ocracies have rolled over for consumerism like greedy kids rolling over for molesters in return for candy.

    I have to believe the US government would have screwed up any attempt at an “inside job.”

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    I have to believe the US government would have screwed up any attempt at an “inside job.”
     
    The US military may be fucking useless against a serious enemy, but defeating their own air defense system (under the direct command of Dick Cheney) was evidently within their capability on 9/11.

    Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission:

    “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out…and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?”
     

    Source:

    https://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/secretary-mineta-confirms-dick-cheney-ordered-stand-down-on-911/

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  16. bluedog says:
    @Boris
    Because it's generally a waste of time to attempt to wrestle the deluded back to reality. Conspiracy theories aren't about facts, but about pathological reasoning. No conspiracy theorist believes in just one conspiracy (e. g. the JFK reference above). I'm sure the moon landing and chemtrails will come up soon.

    Perhaps and perhaps not but can you explain why the JFK documents/investigation are all sealed until 2029, or why they refuse to release 19 pages of the 9-11 investigation, or why 60 minutes pulled the airing of its segment with Oswald’s girlfriend in N.O. after they spent endless hours/days vetting her, not to mention the cost,yep something smells in the swamp known as foggy bottom along with its followers.!!@@

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    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
    I hate to venture into the JFK swamp, but Oswald's wife is yet another unexplainable issue that few know about. Oswald deserted from the Marines, defected to the Soviets, and openly bragged that he gave them top secret information, which some suspect helped the Soviets shoot down a U-2 with Gary Francis Powers.

    Then Oswald simply "returns home" and is not arrested and imprisoned for decades! Oh, he wants a visa to bring his Russian wife too! No problem, you Marine Corps deserter and traitor! Have a nice life in Dallas, and we'll get you a government job too, despite your dishonorable discharge.
    , @Boris
    Like I said, it's pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.
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  17. Regarding our self-impose porous borders to allow cheap labor. Aren’t we actually already paying for cheap labor that doesn’t even labor for the pay check we provide? I’m referring to the generational spanning welfare class. I’m sure they’d be “more than happy” to earn that check by filling in the slots that will be emptied by the illegals when they are chased back home.

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  18. iffen says:
    @Marcus
    I agree, nothing wrong with branching out, but I like his travelogues with photos and interviews, one can find the conspiracy stuff on infowars and plenty of other places.

    I was serious. He’s not any good at this type of writing. He should stick to his photos and character sketches.

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy

    He’s not any good at this type of writing.
     
    Actually, the author spells it out very well what a stinking, murderous, lying, manipulative anti-democratic, imperialistic, totalitarian, plutocratic oligarchy rules America, and how that criminal elite takes advantage of the gullibility of the American people to waste American blood and treasure in a brutal, nation-destroying grab for power over all humanity.
    , @annamaria
    "He’s not any good at this type of writing."
    You mean he is not a stenographer belonging to MSM?
    , @Michelle
    Just watch the trade centers collapsing from the top down, as opposed to a controlled demolition which collapses from the bottom down. Then see this Oakland overpass collapse, resulting from a fire. A truck burned under the overpass. The steel beams folded out exactly as the Trade Center beams folded out.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29cnd-collapse.html

    Steel loses its integrity at high temps. A neighbor of mine, a far, far left lesbian, took a welding class and totally changed her mind about the Trade Center conspiracy theory she had.

    The Naudet brothers' amazing documentary chronicles the trade center attacks and subsequent collapses in brilliant detail. That Dinh is a conspiracy theorist gives me great leave to doubt his mental capacity. I think I shall stop reading his articles on principle.

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  19. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Apart from those who know they won’t get a nomination and/or won’t win an election, the candidates all agree on the basics of capitalism, militarism, and doing whatever will bring the most bank and corporate money to their political party. So voters need to be distracted from the basics and limit their attention to side issues. This is easily done, as people who vote in rigged, unverifiable elections where the popular vote doesn’t have to be counted and isn’t the final say, aren’t very bright to begin with.

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  20. utu says:

    I’m with you on all points, Mr. Dinh.

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  21. Wow, Mr. Dihn reads a lot and can think! Of course he’s gone too far from acceptable thought in these USA. Now Senate candidate Mr. Unz will be attacked for employing crazies.

    Note that paid CIA floggers patrol this site each day near release time to squash unacceptable thought with childish insults, as evidenced by the opening barrage. Our rulers have hundreds of full-time well-paid floggers scouring the Internet to control and shape opinion. They do not want to discuss things, only to demean unapproved thoughts.

    For example, whenever “ISIS” or “al Qaeda” makes a statement, you can be sure it came from those who created, manage, and profit from these conflicts, since neither of those groups really exist. We can never defeat them because they are not organized entities. They were created in the media as an “enemy” to explain the thousands of people, groups, and tribes who oppose foreign domination and exploitation of their lands.

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  22. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    DRAFT RON PAUL 2016

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    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    Too late. I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand, the only one amidst the clown show who was worth supporting. Point taken though.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Like your thinking, bud.

    Proud to say that I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 republican primaries, and would have voted for him again this time if he had run. Wish he were younger. Wish his son were as consistently principled as him, particularly with regard to unnecessary, counterproductive, bankrupting, non-defensive wars.

    If the GOP establishment robs trump of the nomination, I'll vote for trump third-party wherever he lands or write in him or Ron.
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  23. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The USA doesn’t have two different political party’s they only have one, the ‘Wars for Wall Street and Israel’ party that has two wings, the Republicans and Democrats.

    And they also own the MSM, as no one in the MSM on the official state propaganda outlets like ZNN and FOX N*** points out that all of the US POTUS candidates have basically the same foreign policy; more wars, more bombings and more money for the Pentagon, while our infrastructure falls apart, due to lack of money.

    Both ‘party’s’ have pledged undying allegiance and loyalty to Israel, ignoring our first president’s warning about foreign entanglements.

    The USA that people think exists–and cheer lustily for at sporting events–only exists in one’s fantasy or nightmare, if you’re a Muslim or Black.

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  24. neutral says:
    @Anonymous
    Why not go the whole hog and in addition to spreading trutherism about 9/11 and hating on Israel, also engage in holocaust denial? We know that's where your sympathies lie, you have never objected to the holocaust deniers posting many hundreds of their screeds in the comments sections below your articles. What have you got to lose, you have no credibility left anyway.

    This is the funny thing with you jews, you imported millions of non whites to cement your power, the problem is that you failed to realize that only whites can be suckered into your guilt business.

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    This is the funny thing with you jews, you imported millions of non whites to cement your power, the problem is that you failed to realize that only whites can be suckered into your guilt business.
     
    It's just as "smart" as deciding to create a "homeland" by terrorizing and killing and dispossessing Muslims on a tiny sliver of land smack dab in the middle of a Billion Muslims.
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  25. @bluedog
    Perhaps and perhaps not but can you explain why the JFK documents/investigation are all sealed until 2029, or why they refuse to release 19 pages of the 9-11 investigation, or why 60 minutes pulled the airing of its segment with Oswald's girlfriend in N.O. after they spent endless hours/days vetting her, not to mention the cost,yep something smells in the swamp known as foggy bottom along with its followers.!!@@

    I hate to venture into the JFK swamp, but Oswald’s wife is yet another unexplainable issue that few know about. Oswald deserted from the Marines, defected to the Soviets, and openly bragged that he gave them top secret information, which some suspect helped the Soviets shoot down a U-2 with Gary Francis Powers.

    Then Oswald simply “returns home” and is not arrested and imprisoned for decades! Oh, he wants a visa to bring his Russian wife too! No problem, you Marine Corps deserter and traitor! Have a nice life in Dallas, and we’ll get you a government job too, despite your dishonorable discharge.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    huh?
    make yourself clear.
    just say, I know barely anything about the jfk murder!
    THAT would be "no problem"-
    unlike your mishmash of "facts".
    read up!
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  26. @iffen
    LD, stick with the artistic view.

    Conspiracy politics is not your forte.

    Leave that to the serious wingnuts like PCR.

    BTW, the sign that Vern saw was COLORED, not COLOURED.

    If it hasn't disappeared in the last couple of years, I could show you the painted over impression and screw holes where such a sign was in place.

    What did he say wrong *

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    NOTHING. HE SAID NOTHING WRONG.
    but the commenter didn't like it, boo hoo ' (
    sniffle... the poor guy. ; )
    linh's the best!
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  27. Powerful writing, Mr. Dinh. “Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state . . .” When was the last time anyone heard it put that way, the way it is. No academic jargon. No obscurantist rhetoric. Just unpretentious direct writing that gets to the point, the truth, fast and effortlessly. Your detractors are plain jealous.

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    • Replies: @Michael Meo
    A famous Viennese novel, with a mass murderer.
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  28. @Anonymous
    DRAFT RON PAUL 2016

    Too late. I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand, the only one amidst the clown show who was worth supporting. Point taken though.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand
     
    Rand blew it when he let slip the truth about our non-existent "Freedom of Association." Then he turned 150% Cuck and spent the next two years pandering to Africans in the desperate hope nobody would remember and call him a "racist." Thus demonstrating all the spine of a mealworm, the Paul political machine folded. If Rand had instead doubled down like Trump has since, we might have had a Paul actually winning this election.
    , @dahoit
    Rand sucked up to the Zionists and the neocons,but they like their acolytes home grown,and he triangulated himself out of existence.What a maroon.
    , @Stonehands
    Rand Paul is a company man. He endorsed Mitt Romney, after his father was "done dirty" by the GOP. He is a Neo-Cuck.
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  29. marwan says:

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.

    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

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    Trade policies are not aid, so China does not count. Israel gets over a billion a year, and its not such a poor country, Indonesia is poor and gets 60 million, which is basically nothing. Besides being the biggest receiver of aid in the world, Israel also gets free military hardware from others, and it has ALL UN resolutions blocked by the USA, no other country gets such a treatment. Then there is the fact that nobody in power says Sudan or Indonesia are the greatest allies ever, and that everything must be done to protect them, that only is done for Israel - nobody else. Israel is essentially conquering land and committing ethnic cleansing, and all that one hears is praise for it.
    , @5371
    [Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed]

    You must be counting the sparrows.
    , @Santoculto
    Leave the ''chosen land'' in peace...


    ''Look at them, they ALSO are doing 'bad things'' '' ...


    Sudan: combine african super-primitive alpha men genes (shit) with islam, poverty and structural anarchy... = (

    Indonesia: same thing, shit + shit= 2 shit

    Chinese= the jews of the east... as for malaysians.

    Why the Jewish people think that God gave them a piece of land in the Levant ***

    That's too stupid.

    People who literally interpret the Bible are more likely to score lower on cognitive tests;)
    , @Anonymous
    Laughable.

    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.

    And who is counting how many Palestinians have died? The Jewish media lol. Yeah like they are really going to tell the truth there.
    , @annamaria
    It is not just a direct annual subsidy in billions of dollars to Israel. The state of Israel has been attempting to maintain a high moral ground (that is effectively ruined now) and cashing on Holocaust memories; all that was used for various perks like AIPAC' immunity from FARA. But this is just a small change. The greatest problem for Israel is the high visibility of the leading Zionists and "dual" citizens among those that were particularly influential for making the decisions on attacking a set of Middle Eastern countries, first of them Iraq. The current balkanization of the Middle East is a good match to the Yinon Plan' picture of destruction of those states that could impede the creation of Greater Israel. Please take a note that the problem is not "Jews" - the problem is Zionism. (The latter also became inseparable from the world's mightiest banking institutions). The lost $trillions to the wars (for the US citizenry) and the millions of lost lives and homes (by people in the Middle East) and the humanitarian crisis in Europe - all these have been converging on the Zionists' idea of Greater Israel (and oil pipelines, of course). This is a tragedy: Zionism was not supposed to become that.
    There is also the perceived disloyalty of the Lobby to the US interests, which explains the growing hostility towards Israel and towards the fawning "peoples' representatives" that kneel before the mighty AIPAC.
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  30. Luca Rivera says: • Website

    One of the best summations of American’s rot I have ever read.

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  31. Boris says:
    @bluedog
    Perhaps and perhaps not but can you explain why the JFK documents/investigation are all sealed until 2029, or why they refuse to release 19 pages of the 9-11 investigation, or why 60 minutes pulled the airing of its segment with Oswald's girlfriend in N.O. after they spent endless hours/days vetting her, not to mention the cost,yep something smells in the swamp known as foggy bottom along with its followers.!!@@

    Like I said, it’s pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

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    Like I said, it’s pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.
     
    Good to have it from one of Cass Sunstein's agents of "cognitive infiltration" (or a dupe thereof) that on 9/11, etc. they don't do argument, just jeers, smears and sneers.

    cf. Cognitive Infiltration: An Obama Appointee’s Plan to Undermine the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

    https://davidraygriffin.com/cognitive-infiltration-an-obama-appointees-plan-to-undermine-the-911-conspiracy-theory/

    , @bluedog
    Hmm not posted for the sake of an argument but posed as question, perhaps seeing you know so much about it you can explain why those documents are sealed until 2029 and the reason behind refusing to release those other 19 pages of 9-11,I will be waiting for your explanation of the lol facts.!!!
    , @NoseytheDuke
    The fact that you directly quote from the 1960s era CIA playbook shows that it's pointless to argue with a coincidence theorist even when they may simply be a quite sincere useful idiot.
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  32. neutral says:
    @marwan

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

    Trade policies are not aid, so China does not count. Israel gets over a billion a year, and its not such a poor country, Indonesia is poor and gets 60 million, which is basically nothing. Besides being the biggest receiver of aid in the world, Israel also gets free military hardware from others, and it has ALL UN resolutions blocked by the USA, no other country gets such a treatment. Then there is the fact that nobody in power says Sudan or Indonesia are the greatest allies ever, and that everything must be done to protect them, that only is done for Israel – nobody else. Israel is essentially conquering land and committing ethnic cleansing, and all that one hears is praise for it.

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    israel recreives 3 billion , sudan receives 1 billion . sudan killed 2 million , israel killed 20 thousand . yuge .

    what america gives to china , who killed over a million tibetans is even more valuable than aid to china and more detrimental to usa

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  33. @Anonymous
    DRAFT RON PAUL 2016

    Like your thinking, bud.

    Proud to say that I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 republican primaries, and would have voted for him again this time if he had run. Wish he were younger. Wish his son were as consistently principled as him, particularly with regard to unnecessary, counterproductive, bankrupting, non-defensive wars.

    If the GOP establishment robs trump of the nomination, I’ll vote for trump third-party wherever he lands or write in him or Ron.

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    Thanks. All the things Dinh wants are valuable. And all in good time. Trump is not Our Savior. He's merely one tiny step in the right direction. If I get my wall with Mexico, that's more than ANY politician has given my and mine in my lifetime.
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  34. 5371 says:
    @marwan

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

    [Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed]

    You must be counting the sparrows.

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  35. @marwan

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

    Leave the ”chosen land” in peace…

    ”Look at them, they ALSO are doing ‘bad things” ” …

    Sudan: combine african super-primitive alpha men genes (shit) with islam, poverty and structural anarchy… = (

    Indonesia: same thing, shit + shit= 2 shit

    Chinese= the jews of the east… as for malaysians.

    Why the Jewish people think that God gave them a piece of land in the Levant ***

    That’s too stupid.

    People who literally interpret the Bible are more likely to score lower on cognitive tests;)

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  36. JSM says:
    @Sean2007
    Excellent article. We need more discussion of the truth of our system and less obsessing over the bogus left/right divide or which corporate whore is going to get (s)elected to fuck us over. There is no one running for office in this country who represents the interest of civilization or the people. The biggest threat we face is not from Muslims or Mexicans but our political leaders and the criminal enterprises they serve.

    Horsepuckies. The biggest threat is race replacement. We can *ALWAYS* take up our torches and sharpened pitchforks. But if we don’t exist anymore, that’s about as big a threat as you get.

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  37. JSM says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Like your thinking, bud.

    Proud to say that I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 republican primaries, and would have voted for him again this time if he had run. Wish he were younger. Wish his son were as consistently principled as him, particularly with regard to unnecessary, counterproductive, bankrupting, non-defensive wars.

    If the GOP establishment robs trump of the nomination, I'll vote for trump third-party wherever he lands or write in him or Ron.

    Thanks. All the things Dinh wants are valuable. And all in good time. Trump is not Our Savior. He’s merely one tiny step in the right direction. If I get my wall with Mexico, that’s more than ANY politician has given my and mine in my lifetime.

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  38. marwan says:
    @neutral
    Trade policies are not aid, so China does not count. Israel gets over a billion a year, and its not such a poor country, Indonesia is poor and gets 60 million, which is basically nothing. Besides being the biggest receiver of aid in the world, Israel also gets free military hardware from others, and it has ALL UN resolutions blocked by the USA, no other country gets such a treatment. Then there is the fact that nobody in power says Sudan or Indonesia are the greatest allies ever, and that everything must be done to protect them, that only is done for Israel - nobody else. Israel is essentially conquering land and committing ethnic cleansing, and all that one hears is praise for it.

    israel recreives 3 billion , sudan receives 1 billion . sudan killed 2 million , israel killed 20 thousand . yuge .

    what america gives to china , who killed over a million tibetans is even more valuable than aid to china and more detrimental to usa

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    America did not give aid to any of those countries to the regimes killing the people. America EXPLICITLY gives aid to Israel for its military to kill people. At the same time they do not invite the leaders of those countries to give speeches on a regular interval. For Israeli leader when he gives a speech in America, they monitor who stops clapping too soon.

    Again going back to China, whatever happened in Tibet happened before there were even relations with the USA, Israel on the other hand is committing ethnic cleansing as we speak and they are praised to high heaven for everything they do.

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  39. Durruti says:

    Linh Dinh,

    Nicely written short Missive.

    I will refer it to my students.

    Bitter reading for the Zionist Anti-Semites, (and the rest of us). Anti Semites hate Arabs, who are Semitic Peoples. Fewer than half of Jews are Semites. My family, German Jews, lots of blond hair & blue eyes. My sister & I are practicing Protestants (Ethical Culture Society – placed there at young age by parents – who also joined). Dad was Belgian Christian, who actually fought Germany, and later, served in American army. But I digress.

    Have some family Occupying portions of Palestine. They are not stupid. They are as immoral as the Nazis they pretend to condemn.

    The Zionists Oligarchs, Rothschilds, other American Oligarchs, Rockefellers, Duponts, (you can name the rest), overthrew our Republic on November 22, 1963, and have murdered in excess of 4 million humans since then (Vietnam, Indonesia, Guatemala, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Yemen, etc.. They have destroyed dozens of nations, in the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America.

    History is one continuum of Conspiracies, mixed with a few accidents.

    At Home:

    America is a puppet Nation. Congress enthusiastically welcomes its President (Netenyahoo), and disregards puppet Hollywood Obomber. By any standards, Congress commits Treason.

    We have our heroes, Ron Paul, Snowden, Assange, Manning, McKinney, Chomsky, Joan Baez, Kucinich, and others. Orwell, Solzhenitsyn, and Le Carré are my favorite writers.

    The Electoral Circus is just a pretend Democracy Propaganda Show.

    We must Restore our Republic!

    Respect our Constitution!

    For All the Democratic Republics!

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  40. neutral says:
    @marwan
    israel recreives 3 billion , sudan receives 1 billion . sudan killed 2 million , israel killed 20 thousand . yuge .

    what america gives to china , who killed over a million tibetans is even more valuable than aid to china and more detrimental to usa

    America did not give aid to any of those countries to the regimes killing the people. America EXPLICITLY gives aid to Israel for its military to kill people. At the same time they do not invite the leaders of those countries to give speeches on a regular interval. For Israeli leader when he gives a speech in America, they monitor who stops clapping too soon.

    Again going back to China, whatever happened in Tibet happened before there were even relations with the USA, Israel on the other hand is committing ethnic cleansing as we speak and they are praised to high heaven for everything they do.

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    usa gives 1 billion per year to sudan . sudan has been committing genocide since 1990 . since 1990 sudan has killed 2 millions of people . israel has killed 20,000 palestinians since 1967 . facts speak for themselves.
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  41. OutWest says:

    WW2 and the Cold War are over. Viet Nam was the beginning of the end for the latter. Now we’re just running on momentum and cognitive dissonance to justify our offshore military aggression. It’s time to come home and tend to the many domestic problems that are consuming us.

    The World may not do well in handling its conflicts. But it will do a better job by dealing with conflicts locally free of the amplifying effect of the U.S. military adventurism.

    Now if we could find a candidate without their bread buttered on the continued conflict side.

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  42. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Marcus
    I have to believe the US government would have screwed up any attempt at an "inside job."

    I have to believe the US government would have screwed up any attempt at an “inside job.”

    The US military may be fucking useless against a serious enemy, but defeating their own air defense system (under the direct command of Dick Cheney) was evidently within their capability on 9/11.

    Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission:

    “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out…and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?”

    Source:

    https://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/secretary-mineta-confirms-dick-cheney-ordered-stand-down-on-911/

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  43. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @iffen
    I was serious. He's not any good at this type of writing. He should stick to his photos and character sketches.

    He’s not any good at this type of writing.

    Actually, the author spells it out very well what a stinking, murderous, lying, manipulative anti-democratic, imperialistic, totalitarian, plutocratic oligarchy rules America, and how that criminal elite takes advantage of the gullibility of the American people to waste American blood and treasure in a brutal, nation-destroying grab for power over all humanity.

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  44. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Boris
    Like I said, it's pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

    Like I said, it’s pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

    Good to have it from one of Cass Sunstein’s agents of “cognitive infiltration” (or a dupe thereof) that on 9/11, etc. they don’t do argument, just jeers, smears and sneers.

    cf. Cognitive Infiltration: An Obama Appointee’s Plan to Undermine the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

    https://davidraygriffin.com/cognitive-infiltration-an-obama-appointees-plan-to-undermine-the-911-conspiracy-theory/

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  45. marwan says:
    @neutral
    America did not give aid to any of those countries to the regimes killing the people. America EXPLICITLY gives aid to Israel for its military to kill people. At the same time they do not invite the leaders of those countries to give speeches on a regular interval. For Israeli leader when he gives a speech in America, they monitor who stops clapping too soon.

    Again going back to China, whatever happened in Tibet happened before there were even relations with the USA, Israel on the other hand is committing ethnic cleansing as we speak and they are praised to high heaven for everything they do.

    usa gives 1 billion per year to sudan . sudan has been committing genocide since 1990 . since 1990 sudan has killed 2 millions of people . israel has killed 20,000 palestinians since 1967 . facts speak for themselves.

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    Stop lying, my man. In 2013, the US gave Sudan 290.5 millions, all of it humanitarian, whereas 2.9 billions in military aid were sent to Israel. Facts speak for themselves.

    Also, you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.
    , @neutral
    That aid is given to the victims of the regime, in Israel the aid is given to the regime that does the killing, can you understand the difference between the two. Can you point out when the president of Sudan was invited to America and are you aware of the fact that there is a Hague court case against him. The mass murderers Netanyahu and all those before him have no such thing, they are praised to near demi god status in America. Can you see the difference here ?
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    @marwan
    usa gives 1 billion per year to sudan . sudan has been committing genocide since 1990 . since 1990 sudan has killed 2 millions of people . israel has killed 20,000 palestinians since 1967 . facts speak for themselves.

    Stop lying, my man. In 2013, the US gave Sudan 290.5 millions, all of it humanitarian, whereas 2.9 billions in military aid were sent to Israel. Facts speak for themselves.

    Also, you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

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    You are hardly the person to call another a liar with a quote like this :

    you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

     

    Conspiracy theories aside , Israel is responsible for those they kill. That equals 22,000 since 1967 . America is responsible for who they killed ,Russia is responsible for who they kill and so on . Sudan , however killed millions in South Sudan , and currently in Darfur as well . In addition they created the Janjaweed militia to systematically ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . I know , I know , its difficult for you to weave one of your patented Zionist Conspiracies , so you don't care bout millions killed in a genocide perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Sudan . Surely the half milllion killed in occupied Papua by the Indonesians is also something you can caveat away and not care about .

    As for the figures of aid to Sudan , these are what I found . : 2013 1.1 billion , 2012 980 million , 2011 440 million , 2010 427 million , 2009 924 million . Never mind what kind of aid it is or where it is ostensibly to go , once its in Sudan all bets are off . The all powerful government will get their hands on most of it , corruption etc . You must admit , Sudan does much more damage with much less money than Israel . I mean Sudan kills millions with 1 billion or less per year , yet Israel only killed several thousand over a 50 year period . Will you ever write of the real horrors of the world ?? Indonesia , Sudan , Mauritania , Syria , China etc ?
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  47. neutral says:
    @marwan
    usa gives 1 billion per year to sudan . sudan has been committing genocide since 1990 . since 1990 sudan has killed 2 millions of people . israel has killed 20,000 palestinians since 1967 . facts speak for themselves.

    That aid is given to the victims of the regime, in Israel the aid is given to the regime that does the killing, can you understand the difference between the two. Can you point out when the president of Sudan was invited to America and are you aware of the fact that there is a Hague court case against him. The mass murderers Netanyahu and all those before him have no such thing, they are praised to near demi god status in America. Can you see the difference here ?

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    That aid is given to the victims of the regime, in Israel the aid is given to the regime that does the killing, can you understand the difference between the two. Can you point out when the president of Sudan was invited to America and are you aware of the fact that there is a Hague court case against him. The mass murderers Netanyahu and all those before him have no such thing, they are praised to near demi god status in America. Can you see the difference here ?
     
    I mentioned in my post that the president of Sudan is wanted by the ICC . I am well aware of it . Once the money gets into Sudan all bets are off . Proof is in the pudding , as the genocide has been going on since 1990 and the death toll is up in the millions . Seems the aid isn't doing anything whatsoever to help the victims and is instead winding up in Omar Bashirs coffers . Israel has only killed 22,000 Palestinains since 1967 , in other words over a 50 year period they killed 22,000. On the other hand Sudan has killed millions . And killed millions since 1990 . Compared to Sudan , Israel has done nothing .

    So basically you are mad because Netanyahu can make speeches in America , that bothers you more than a genocide committed by the Islamic republic of Sudan that has seen millions die as well as women raped systematically by the Janjaweed militia , created exclusively to ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . But Sudan is ok ,they didn't make any speeches . Gotcha !!!!
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  48. Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.

    You’ve done well Grasshopper. You’ve neatly tied all this together in a bundle. But the core problem – the insurmountable problem – you’ve apparently missed. It’s all well and good to pound our keyboards with fantasies of ending the Zionist banksters cabal ruling America and tearing apart Europe, but it cannot be stopped.

    America has nearly 100,000,000 fanatic Bible Thumpers who believe, nay…they *know*, their omnipotent and omniscient sky fairy is coming to fetch them to his special fairy kingdom in the sky, but that won’t happen if the Zionists aren’t in Palestine killing Arab babies on a daily basis. So we get Presidents like Bush, a fanatic Thumper himself, turning up the heat in hopes that dead American kids and mountains of dead Arabs will bring the sky fairy even quicker. Meanwhile, to the Zionists, we are all just livestock since we weren’t Chosen by their sky fairy and the Thumpers are certain that if we just dunk the Zionists heads under water real quick the Thumper sky fairy will bring them along to the Thumpers fairy kingdom. And don’t forget that in addition to our 100,000,000 fanatic Thumpers who know this will all happen any second now, America has around another 100,000,000 who believe all this is perfectly plausible and true, but are only about 50% committed to the belief that it may happen in their lifetime. So they’ll go pray and give their boy children to be molested by men in dresses wearing funny hats, and give money to their sky fairy so he can bring savage cannibals to the house next door that’s been vacant, and vote for a Clinton who is wholly owned by the Zionist banksters and equally committed to more mountains of dead Arabs in Arabia as well as freighter loads of live Arabs in Minneapolis.

    When you come up with a plan to erase the sky fairy fantasies from 200,000,000 Thumpers and quasi-Thumpers, then perhaps we can discuss solutions to the problems you’ve described above. Until then, they’re about as likely to happen as the rest of the fairy tales.

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    I have two large hunting dogs who behave according to their fear of punishment and hope for reward; people who are not further along philosophically than my dogs are large children with arrested development and too post literate to see the pragmatic design features of first trying to love your neighbors and then avoiding them if that doesn't work. These poor tards plainly think the teaching on loving your enemies is garnish for Charleton Heston flicks. Lee, Jackson and Forest understood this and unfortunately, caused the blasted war to last years longer than it should have. Call the first cause what you will, the idea that whatever caused the cosmos to come gang banging into existence is as stupid and vicious as naked apes with nukes and holy writ is proof that god has a great sense of humor. Of course, the creator gets as many free games as It wants and we don't.
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  49. @anonymous
    As with a lot of other subjects any national politician who is a candidate for office would have to tread very carefully when dealing with a subject such as 9-11. The majority of people are not really well informed and don't have time to delve very deeply into most subjects. Thus, whatever someone might say about such a contentious subject can very easily be distorted and twisted against him so it's best to be somewhat circumspect. They can't pitch things at a level that's too far over the average person's head. That might be unfortunate but that's the way it is. Discussing 9-11 leads to a lot of acrimony and name calling which I'm sure you'll get plenty of in this thread.

    The majority of people are not really well informed …

    Oh come on, the majority of people are STUPID. Over half the population in America has an IQ under 100. And tens of millions (growing rapidly due to third world invasion) are below 85.

    “Well informed”? Seriously? Even among those who scrape by above 100, how many are absolutely convinced that some omnipotent and omniscient Bronze Age sky fairy who cannot manage money is up there looking after their dead grandmother? Or that their sky fairy Chose their desert dwelling Tribe to rule over all other humanity which is fundamentally just livestock? Or that their sky fairy chose a red headed child molester to be his one true spokesman? Or that they used to be a dung beetle in a past life? And you worry about “well informed”?

    We live on the Planet of the Retards where billions of people aren’t smart enough not to crap in their own water wells. We are a very long distance from where “well informed” is even a flickering possibility.

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  50. @neutral
    This is the funny thing with you jews, you imported millions of non whites to cement your power, the problem is that you failed to realize that only whites can be suckered into your guilt business.

    This is the funny thing with you jews, you imported millions of non whites to cement your power, the problem is that you failed to realize that only whites can be suckered into your guilt business.

    It’s just as “smart” as deciding to create a “homeland” by terrorizing and killing and dispossessing Muslims on a tiny sliver of land smack dab in the middle of a Billion Muslims.

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  51. @Connecticut Famer
    Too late. I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand, the only one amidst the clown show who was worth supporting. Point taken though.

    I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand

    Rand blew it when he let slip the truth about our non-existent “Freedom of Association.” Then he turned 150% Cuck and spent the next two years pandering to Africans in the desperate hope nobody would remember and call him a “racist.” Thus demonstrating all the spine of a mealworm, the Paul political machine folded. If Rand had instead doubled down like Trump has since, we might have had a Paul actually winning this election.

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  52. Agent76 says:

    May 25, 2014 FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower Speaks on WTC 7

    Listen very carefully starting at the ’30′ second mark. As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down. In this episode of 9/11 Free Fall, he relives his experience that day, recounting how he believes the buildings in New York were brought down in controlled demolitions.

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  53. Sean says:

    If we don’t know what happened on 9/11, stop talking as if you do.

    In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    But official US policy and both Republicans and Democrat parties, support creation of another Palestinian state (in addition to the existing one of Jordan), which there is no land left for now. Neocons advocate immigration as a weakening of indigenous power bases. Supposedly worried about Israel, neocons dominate the conservative establishment and Western media (Murdoch wants Israel to be allowed to join NATO) downplay terrorism and demand larger immigrant communities. The real threat to Israel is nothing to do with Western nationalism, Iran, nations of beggars like Egypt or the backward Islamic State; it’s the Arabs of the West Bank, who are going to have to be given full rights sooner or later, The process has been frozen, but can’t last. Mearsheimer :-

    This situation, however, is unsustainable over time. Once it is widely recognized that the two-state solution is dead and Greater Israel is a reality, the righteous Jews will have two choices: support apartheid or work to help create a democratic bi-national state. I believe that almost all of them will opt for the latter option, in large part because of their deep-seated commitment to liberal values, which renders any apartheid state abhorrent to them.”

    The logic of the above analysis is that Clinton and the rest are only ostensibly protecting Israel by vowing to protect it from (non existent) powerful threatening states. Iran is not going to attack Israel. like Syria and Iraq were not going to attack Israel and everyone knows the overthrow of countries in the Arab world is meaningless, because they are all extremely weak compared to Israel, which has nuclear weapons anyway..

    The inevitable demise of Israel as a Jewish state is guaranteed by the post 1967 addition to the Arabs in Greater Israel: West Bank Arabs, Clinton would not let Israel resolve that demographic-political time bomb. Trump might. Not both. If Israel did decide for survival, and did what the chickenhawk neocons don’t dare think of , the neocons would be cease calling for the importation of similar problems to European -majority countries, and the West might even be allowed to save itself.

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    Do go back and read what I wrote. Like millions of other Americans, I don't know what happened on 9/11, and that's why I'm asking questions.
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  54. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Sean
    If we don't know what happened on 9/11, stop talking as if you do.

    In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.
     
    But official US policy and both Republicans and Democrat parties, support creation of another Palestinian state (in addition to the existing one of Jordan), which there is no land left for now. Neocons advocate immigration as a weakening of indigenous power bases. Supposedly worried about Israel, neocons dominate the conservative establishment and Western media (Murdoch wants Israel to be allowed to join NATO) downplay terrorism and demand larger immigrant communities. The real threat to Israel is nothing to do with Western nationalism, Iran, nations of beggars like Egypt or the backward Islamic State; it’s the Arabs of the West Bank, who are going to have to be given full rights sooner or later, The process has been frozen, but can’t last. Mearsheimer :-

    This situation, however, is unsustainable over time. Once it is widely recognized that the two-state solution is dead and Greater Israel is a reality, the righteous Jews will have two choices: support apartheid or work to help create a democratic bi-national state. I believe that almost all of them will opt for the latter option, in large part because of their deep-seated commitment to liberal values, which renders any apartheid state abhorrent to them.”
     

    The logic of the above analysis is that Clinton and the rest are only ostensibly protecting Israel by vowing to protect it from (non existent) powerful threatening states. Iran is not going to attack Israel. like Syria and Iraq were not going to attack Israel and everyone knows the overthrow of countries in the Arab world is meaningless, because they are all extremely weak compared to Israel, which has nuclear weapons anyway..

    The inevitable demise of Israel as a Jewish state is guaranteed by the post 1967 addition to the Arabs in Greater Israel: West Bank Arabs, Clinton would not let Israel resolve that demographic-political time bomb. Trump might. Not both. If Israel did decide for survival, and did what the chickenhawk neocons don't dare think of , the neocons would be cease calling for the importation of similar problems to European -majority countries, and the West might even be allowed to save itself.

    Do go back and read what I wrote. Like millions of other Americans, I don’t know what happened on 9/11, and that’s why I’m asking questions.

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    Like millions of other Americans, I don’t know what happened on 9/11

     

    Except that you said:

    Like many Americans, I find the official explanation [of 9/11] ludicrous. Why can’t we have a convincing answer to how World Trade Center 7 imploded and collapsed into its own footprint? Or how was it possible for a Boeing 757 to shave the ground and hit the Pentagon from the side, as steered by an amateur pilot?
     
    So, no, you don't know what happened in detail.

    But you do know the government lied about every aspect of the event, and punished no one for either intelligence failures or NORAD's failure on 9/11. So the implication is clear enough, isn't it? We know, as far as the key political facts are concerned, what happened on 9/11, why it happened, and why it has been covered up, and why the truth will never be officially acknowledged while the perpetrators of 9/11 still live or while the Government of the United States still stands.

    To demand truth beyond what is obvious and cannot be concealed by any amount of media obfuscation and online baloney from government agents is just a waste of time, except insofar as it provides a constant reminder that all official statements on 9/11 are a lie.

    , @anonymous
    Mr. Dinh,

    Good luck trying to communicate, at least in English, with this person. Cf., my attempts to do so in comments to Ms. Mercer's most recent Trump article.
    , @Sean

    Many other questions have also been brushed aside, with Donald Trump going only as far as implying that Saudi Arabia may be behind this tragedy. Why Saudi Arabia, but not Israel?
     
    Israeli Jews are not ten feet tall you know, they know their limitations. Iraq was not remotely enough of a threat to Israel for them even to consider something as risky and difficult as a false flag 9/11.
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  55. You’re doing good work, Linh! Keep it up.

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  56. @mtn cur
    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of "hey ya'll, watch this ," rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning. I cannot differ with the other details here, except to add that the phony citizens of the "western demon -ocracies have rolled over for consumerism like greedy kids rolling over for molesters in return for candy.

    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of “hey ya’ll, watch this ,” rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning.

    No airplane ever struck WTC bldg. 7, yet it imploded and went down exactly like the other two. Why? Obviously it had been rigged with explosives beforehand. I speculate that it was supposed to be struck by that third plane that went down in Pennsylvania–you remember the one: ‘Let’s roll!’

    That’s just the most obvious part of the 9/11 fairy tale that needs to be re-examined … but it’s a damn good place for you to start.

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  57. bluedog says:
    @Boris
    Like I said, it's pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

    Hmm not posted for the sake of an argument but posed as question, perhaps seeing you know so much about it you can explain why those documents are sealed until 2029 and the reason behind refusing to release those other 19 pages of 9-11,I will be waiting for your explanation of the lol facts.!!!

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  58. dahoit says:
    @Connecticut Famer
    Too late. I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand, the only one amidst the clown show who was worth supporting. Point taken though.

    Rand sucked up to the Zionists and the neocons,but they like their acolytes home grown,and he triangulated himself out of existence.What a maroon.

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  59. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Linh Dinh
    Do go back and read what I wrote. Like millions of other Americans, I don't know what happened on 9/11, and that's why I'm asking questions.

    Like millions of other Americans, I don’t know what happened on 9/11

    Except that you said:

    Like many Americans, I find the official explanation [of 9/11] ludicrous. Why can’t we have a convincing answer to how World Trade Center 7 imploded and collapsed into its own footprint? Or how was it possible for a Boeing 757 to shave the ground and hit the Pentagon from the side, as steered by an amateur pilot?

    So, no, you don’t know what happened in detail.

    But you do know the government lied about every aspect of the event, and punished no one for either intelligence failures or NORAD’s failure on 9/11. So the implication is clear enough, isn’t it? We know, as far as the key political facts are concerned, what happened on 9/11, why it happened, and why it has been covered up, and why the truth will never be officially acknowledged while the perpetrators of 9/11 still live or while the Government of the United States still stands.

    To demand truth beyond what is obvious and cannot be concealed by any amount of media obfuscation and online baloney from government agents is just a waste of time, except insofar as it provides a constant reminder that all official statements on 9/11 are a lie.

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  60. Wrong on Mexicans paying for the WALL to keep themselves out, the Mexicans will pay for the Wall to keep the free money and subsidies flowing South. Mexicans, and many other nationalities, wire tens of billions out of this country (back home) each year. (Mexico wired the most at around 30 billion.)

    China steals the most from us however via these trade “deals”…probably many trillions have been slapped on our bill so far to build up China.

    For some reason, I feel Trump can handle all these issues you bring up…vote Trump!

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    Mexico wired the most at around 30 billion.
     
    Well, you've stumbled upon a better solution than a wall. The wire services banks (greedily) provide for illegals should be ended. No SSN, no financial services!
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  61. Very much like your postcard series and writing there but dislike this wingnut stuff and your polemic on why America sucks

    Please keep clearly labeling your posts so I know what to read

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  62. “We need United States Notes, as authorized by Kennedy before he was shot …”

    Got it … So who is going to take up this Hurculean task?

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @marwan

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

    Laughable.

    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.

    And who is counting how many Palestinians have died? The Jewish media lol. Yeah like they are really going to tell the truth there.

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    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.
    No . This decade 2010-2016 has seen Assad kill 300,000 Syrians , Isis kill 100,000 in Syria and Iraq . Im not aware of any other larger scale killings since 2010 . So your millions this decade killed in the middle east is laughable and retarded , but hey ALT-R/WN is not know for high IQ.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.
     
    Bolshevik revolution was by Russian Christians and Atheists . Stalins purges were from an Orthodox Christian . The Armenian genocide was perpetuated by Muslim Turks . Whats next from you ?? Pol Pot was a zionist Jew ??
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  64. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    I was serious. He's not any good at this type of writing. He should stick to his photos and character sketches.

    “He’s not any good at this type of writing.”
    You mean he is not a stenographer belonging to MSM?

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  65. marwan says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Stop lying, my man. In 2013, the US gave Sudan 290.5 millions, all of it humanitarian, whereas 2.9 billions in military aid were sent to Israel. Facts speak for themselves.

    Also, you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

    You are hardly the person to call another a liar with a quote like this :

    you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

    Conspiracy theories aside , Israel is responsible for those they kill. That equals 22,000 since 1967 . America is responsible for who they killed ,Russia is responsible for who they kill and so on . Sudan , however killed millions in South Sudan , and currently in Darfur as well . In addition they created the Janjaweed militia to systematically ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . I know , I know , its difficult for you to weave one of your patented Zionist Conspiracies , so you don’t care bout millions killed in a genocide perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Sudan . Surely the half milllion killed in occupied Papua by the Indonesians is also something you can caveat away and not care about .

    As for the figures of aid to Sudan , these are what I found . : 2013 1.1 billion , 2012 980 million , 2011 440 million , 2010 427 million , 2009 924 million . Never mind what kind of aid it is or where it is ostensibly to go , once its in Sudan all bets are off . The all powerful government will get their hands on most of it , corruption etc . You must admit , Sudan does much more damage with much less money than Israel . I mean Sudan kills millions with 1 billion or less per year , yet Israel only killed several thousand over a 50 year period . Will you ever write of the real horrors of the world ?? Indonesia , Sudan , Mauritania , Syria , China etc ?

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    You're quite promiscuous with your misinformation, aren't you? First of, let's get rid of the idea that the US provides 1 billion a year to Sudan so that it can kill millions:

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5424.htm

    U.S. Assistance to Sudan

    From FY2002 to FY2015, the United States provided $7.1 billion for humanitarian, transition and reconstruction assistance, and peacekeeping support in Sudan. No U.S. assistance is provided directly to the Government of Sudan.

    As for the politics of the situation, the US does not back the government of Sudan but the breakaway Republic of South Sudan. Israel, too, backs South Sudan.

    , @Santoculto
    CONSPIRACY TIORI-card


    yo're a sick Dinh!! ;)
    , @Rurik

    Israel is responsible for those they kill.
     
    you sound like Menachem Begin, who said after Ariel Sharon presided over the Sabra and Shatila massacre: “Goyim kill Goyim and they blame the Jew”

    the reason people are outraged over the myriad and horrific relentless atrocities committed by Israel on the Palestinians, are not just because of its wanton cruelty, for cruelty's sake...

    It isn't just because their victims are absolutely blameless- having done nothing but existing on their own land coveted by the Zionists as their only "offense"

    It isn't just because the world is repulsed by the way the Jews deliberately humiliate these pitiable people, clearly taking pleasure in the cruelty

    It isn't just because we are forced to pay for it

    It isn't just because our sniveling government tries pathetically to provide "moral" cover for these cowardly and sickening crimes

    It isn't just because they lie about everything that they do, earning even more contempt from the rest of the world for whom lies and liars are not just a disgrace, but a iniquitous black stain on the fabric of human relations, that require trust and honestly to function at a bare minimum. The Israeli penchant for lies and lying at all times about everything, undermines the very foundations of human trust. But it isn't just that.

    It isn't just the way we see the images of the little boys playing on the beach who were targeted and executed for trying to simply be boys. It's not just that..

    or this: {warning}

    http://www.mbc.net/default/mediaObject/Photos/2014/July/week-2/12-7-2014/6/original/bf3bda14ac2ddb62f34a4250d3588b164bd207a3/6.jpg

    It's also the way decent people have a hard time with the kind of rotten, fucked up people who take sadistic pleasure in tormenting others. (We hate that ; ) Others who are powerless and at the mercy of the merciless bullies, murderers and genocidal thugs. These things tweak our sensibilities, and we can't stand to watch it. Whether its whites treating blacks poorly in S. Africa, or Jews treating Arabs with sadistic cruelty. Like watching a man stomping on a puppy, or beating the shit out of a child, or pummeling a girl with his fists, there are things we just can't watch in silence.

    But perhaps the main reason people are outraged at the way the Jews treat the Palestinians is because for our entire lives we've all been morally bludgeoned by hysterical Jews screeching at us all how terrible was their suffering, and how wicked we all are and anti-Semitic we all were for allowing that to happen to them. And so now, as the world watches with horror at just how unimaginably cruel a people can be to their powerless victims, we're all struck by the enormity of the Jewish double standard. They really do shout at their victims 'stop kicking me!' - while their kicking the shit out of their victims.

    That's why we're all more outraged at the atrocities committed by Jews in Palestine, than others around the world. And to add insult to injury, it was the good graces of the Western world that vouchsafed Israel in the fist place, out of compassion for a people who were unfairly persecuted.

    We, the people of the West, did not do that so that the Jews could play at being genocidal, sadistic monsters to helpless victims, especially on our dime.

    capishe?

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  66. marwan says:
    @neutral
    That aid is given to the victims of the regime, in Israel the aid is given to the regime that does the killing, can you understand the difference between the two. Can you point out when the president of Sudan was invited to America and are you aware of the fact that there is a Hague court case against him. The mass murderers Netanyahu and all those before him have no such thing, they are praised to near demi god status in America. Can you see the difference here ?

    That aid is given to the victims of the regime, in Israel the aid is given to the regime that does the killing, can you understand the difference between the two. Can you point out when the president of Sudan was invited to America and are you aware of the fact that there is a Hague court case against him. The mass murderers Netanyahu and all those before him have no such thing, they are praised to near demi god status in America. Can you see the difference here ?

    I mentioned in my post that the president of Sudan is wanted by the ICC . I am well aware of it . Once the money gets into Sudan all bets are off . Proof is in the pudding , as the genocide has been going on since 1990 and the death toll is up in the millions . Seems the aid isn’t doing anything whatsoever to help the victims and is instead winding up in Omar Bashirs coffers . Israel has only killed 22,000 Palestinains since 1967 , in other words over a 50 year period they killed 22,000. On the other hand Sudan has killed millions . And killed millions since 1990 . Compared to Sudan , Israel has done nothing .

    So basically you are mad because Netanyahu can make speeches in America , that bothers you more than a genocide committed by the Islamic republic of Sudan that has seen millions die as well as women raped systematically by the Janjaweed militia , created exclusively to ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . But Sudan is ok ,they didn’t make any speeches . Gotcha !!!!

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  67. marwan says:
    @Anonymous
    Laughable.

    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.

    And who is counting how many Palestinians have died? The Jewish media lol. Yeah like they are really going to tell the truth there.

    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.
    No . This decade 2010-2016 has seen Assad kill 300,000 Syrians , Isis kill 100,000 in Syria and Iraq . Im not aware of any other larger scale killings since 2010 . So your millions this decade killed in the middle east is laughable and retarded , but hey ALT-R/WN is not know for high IQ.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.

    Bolshevik revolution was by Russian Christians and Atheists . Stalins purges were from an Orthodox Christian . The Armenian genocide was perpetuated by Muslim Turks . Whats next from you ?? Pol Pot was a zionist Jew ??

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    Forget it, marwan. People here know all about Oded Yinon and the Clean Break memo. And it's not just Unz.com either; the truth is spreading all throughout the global internet like wildfire. Going forward, Zionist control of the MSM will be less and less of an advantage.

    The Settler State's days are numbered ...

    , @Anonymous
    Jews don't like to get their hands dirty killing others while there are guilable goyim who will do the killing for them.

    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.
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  68. Craig says:

    No mention of the erosion of civil liberties. This should be on the list of basic concerns that presidential candidates need to address.

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    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that's why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.
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  69. annamaria says:
    @marwan

    Israel

    Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state, the U.S. has also become a pariah. Under Israel’s manipulation, the United States hasn’t just systematically destroyed one Muslim country after another, it has wrecked its own honor, reputation, present and future. In spite of all this, no American presidential candidate can question the U.S.’ eternal role in propping up this criminal country.

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    He does know his readership . Following the script to a tee . Throw some rotten meat to the frenzied hyenas !!!!

    All of these countries receive US aid and support but the one doing the least killing is the one Lindin focuses on . Well , he does know what his readership wants to read . China gets unfair trade policies , Indonesia gets 60 million US aid each year , Sudan gets over a billion . Seems all 3 are more adept at using tax dollars to kill than Israel .
    Chinese occupation of Tibet : 2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of South Sudan : 2 million killed
    Sudan occupation of Darfur : half a million killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua : 500,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict : 22,000 killed

    It is not just a direct annual subsidy in billions of dollars to Israel. The state of Israel has been attempting to maintain a high moral ground (that is effectively ruined now) and cashing on Holocaust memories; all that was used for various perks like AIPAC’ immunity from FARA. But this is just a small change. The greatest problem for Israel is the high visibility of the leading Zionists and “dual” citizens among those that were particularly influential for making the decisions on attacking a set of Middle Eastern countries, first of them Iraq. The current balkanization of the Middle East is a good match to the Yinon Plan’ picture of destruction of those states that could impede the creation of Greater Israel. Please take a note that the problem is not “Jews” – the problem is Zionism. (The latter also became inseparable from the world’s mightiest banking institutions). The lost $trillions to the wars (for the US citizenry) and the millions of lost lives and homes (by people in the Middle East) and the humanitarian crisis in Europe – all these have been converging on the Zionists’ idea of Greater Israel (and oil pipelines, of course). This is a tragedy: Zionism was not supposed to become that.
    There is also the perceived disloyalty of the Lobby to the US interests, which explains the growing hostility towards Israel and towards the fawning “peoples’ representatives” that kneel before the mighty AIPAC.

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  70. @Boris
    Like I said, it's pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

    The fact that you directly quote from the 1960s era CIA playbook shows that it’s pointless to argue with a coincidence theorist even when they may simply be a quite sincere useful idiot.

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  71. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Craig
    No mention of the erosion of civil liberties. This should be on the list of basic concerns that presidential candidates need to address.

    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that’s why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.

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    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that’s why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.
     
    Beautiful!

    Great article!
    , @Boris
    If you are really concerned about the erosion of liberties--and you should be--then trutherism is perhaps the least effective way of addressing that problem.

    But obviously your concern is more about exposing what you have decided already is an "absurd 9/11 narrative" propped up by a "criminal government." No examination or explanation that doesn't reach your conclusion will be considered worthy. So why even conduct an investigation?

    It would be nice if there were an actual and honestly thorough investigation into 9/11. We could learn a lot from it. But the people who demand these investigations are so steeped in conspiracy that politicians rightly see it as a pointless exercise with no upside. No truther will be satisfied unless the report concludes that a missile hit the Pentagon and steel can't be melted by jet fuel and other moronic "truths" that have been uncovered by wily YouTube scientists.

    So your hearts are sort of in the right place, I guess. Brains need relocating, however.

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  72. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @marwan
    You are hardly the person to call another a liar with a quote like this :

    you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

     

    Conspiracy theories aside , Israel is responsible for those they kill. That equals 22,000 since 1967 . America is responsible for who they killed ,Russia is responsible for who they kill and so on . Sudan , however killed millions in South Sudan , and currently in Darfur as well . In addition they created the Janjaweed militia to systematically ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . I know , I know , its difficult for you to weave one of your patented Zionist Conspiracies , so you don't care bout millions killed in a genocide perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Sudan . Surely the half milllion killed in occupied Papua by the Indonesians is also something you can caveat away and not care about .

    As for the figures of aid to Sudan , these are what I found . : 2013 1.1 billion , 2012 980 million , 2011 440 million , 2010 427 million , 2009 924 million . Never mind what kind of aid it is or where it is ostensibly to go , once its in Sudan all bets are off . The all powerful government will get their hands on most of it , corruption etc . You must admit , Sudan does much more damage with much less money than Israel . I mean Sudan kills millions with 1 billion or less per year , yet Israel only killed several thousand over a 50 year period . Will you ever write of the real horrors of the world ?? Indonesia , Sudan , Mauritania , Syria , China etc ?

    You’re quite promiscuous with your misinformation, aren’t you? First of, let’s get rid of the idea that the US provides 1 billion a year to Sudan so that it can kill millions:

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5424.htm

    U.S. Assistance to Sudan

    From FY2002 to FY2015, the United States provided $7.1 billion for humanitarian, transition and reconstruction assistance, and peacekeeping support in Sudan. No U.S. assistance is provided directly to the Government of Sudan.

    As for the politics of the situation, the US does not back the government of Sudan but the breakaway Republic of South Sudan. Israel, too, backs South Sudan.

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    From FY2002 to FY2015, the United States provided $7.1 billion for humanitarian, transition and reconstruction assistance, and peacekeeping support in Sudan
     
    Your numbers work out to be about half a billion per year . Still a large sum , and lo and behold since 1990-2016 Sudan was able to kill millions of people and have the Janjaweed militia systematically rape thousands of women . If the money actually went to humanitarian aid ,or the government got its hands on it , either way it was an abject failure resulting in genocide just the same .

    Im well aware that Israel and South Sudan are allies . The genocide doesn't take place only in South Sudan . Western Sudan , or Darfur if you will , also is the recipient of genocide , courtesy of The Islamic Republic of Sudan .

    US provides 1 billion a year to Sudan so that it can kill millions:
     
    The US doesn't provide money to any country specifically earmarked to kill. Nevertheless the countries that receive aid all kill from one degree to another . For example , Sudan killed millions over a 25 year period , Indonesia killed half a million over a 63 year period , Israel killed 22,000 over a 59 year period . Sudan and Indonesia are much more voracious killers . Maybe its something to do with Islam. 5300 people killed in Islamist terrorist attacks so far in 2016 alone .
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  73. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Henry King
    Wrong on Mexicans paying for the WALL to keep themselves out, the Mexicans will pay for the Wall to keep the free money and subsidies flowing South. Mexicans, and many other nationalities, wire tens of billions out of this country (back home) each year. (Mexico wired the most at around 30 billion.)

    China steals the most from us however via these trade "deals"...probably many trillions have been slapped on our bill so far to build up China.

    For some reason, I feel Trump can handle all these issues you bring up...vote Trump!

    Mexico wired the most at around 30 billion.

    Well, you’ve stumbled upon a better solution than a wall. The wire services banks (greedily) provide for illegals should be ended. No SSN, no financial services!

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    YES. Great idea, Anonymous. Anyone who tries to wire money outside the US without a Social Security Number should be refused service, then detained until police or federal immigration personnel arrive to check their identification and verify their right to be in the USA.

    Anyone who can't prove a right to be here should be placed in maximum-security prison for years and then deported to the middle of Mexico (if they're Mexican) -- and executed if Mexico or their home country won't take them.
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  74. marwan says:
    @Linh Dinh
    You're quite promiscuous with your misinformation, aren't you? First of, let's get rid of the idea that the US provides 1 billion a year to Sudan so that it can kill millions:

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5424.htm

    U.S. Assistance to Sudan

    From FY2002 to FY2015, the United States provided $7.1 billion for humanitarian, transition and reconstruction assistance, and peacekeeping support in Sudan. No U.S. assistance is provided directly to the Government of Sudan.

    As for the politics of the situation, the US does not back the government of Sudan but the breakaway Republic of South Sudan. Israel, too, backs South Sudan.

    From FY2002 to FY2015, the United States provided $7.1 billion for humanitarian, transition and reconstruction assistance, and peacekeeping support in Sudan

    Your numbers work out to be about half a billion per year . Still a large sum , and lo and behold since 1990-2016 Sudan was able to kill millions of people and have the Janjaweed militia systematically rape thousands of women . If the money actually went to humanitarian aid ,or the government got its hands on it , either way it was an abject failure resulting in genocide just the same .

    Im well aware that Israel and South Sudan are allies . The genocide doesn’t take place only in South Sudan . Western Sudan , or Darfur if you will , also is the recipient of genocide , courtesy of The Islamic Republic of Sudan .

    US provides 1 billion a year to Sudan so that it can kill millions:

    The US doesn’t provide money to any country specifically earmarked to kill. Nevertheless the countries that receive aid all kill from one degree to another . For example , Sudan killed millions over a 25 year period , Indonesia killed half a million over a 63 year period , Israel killed 22,000 over a 59 year period . Sudan and Indonesia are much more voracious killers . Maybe its something to do with Islam. 5300 people killed in Islamist terrorist attacks so far in 2016 alone .

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  75. joey says:

    Did Marwan say that the Bolshevik Revolution was of Russian Christians and Atheists ?

    Atheists O.K But Russian Christians??

    Just checked again.. YUP.

    And tomorrow I am going to be dining on fried cucumbers on Mars.

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  76. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Linh Dinh
    Do go back and read what I wrote. Like millions of other Americans, I don't know what happened on 9/11, and that's why I'm asking questions.

    Mr. Dinh,

    Good luck trying to communicate, at least in English, with this person. Cf., my attempts to do so in comments to Ms. Mercer’s most recent Trump article.

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    I said "Ilana has been prescient about Trump’s appeal, you haven’t and can’t understand how he has been so successful. What’s to defend?", and hereyou replied "Here? You can start with the broadbrushing of Islam that evades any address of Saud."

    Many other questions have also been brushed aside, with Donald Trump going only as far as implying that Saudi Arabia may be behind this tragedy. Why Saudi Arabia, but not Israel?
     
    I note that Trump (who you dislike) is the one blaming Saud. Turns out Ilana has been writing about the one candidate who is blaming Saud and to the astonishment of everyone except her may become president. But she can't win with you, I suspect nobody ever does with an anonymous enthusiasm-killer. However, you would be better to pay attention to what Trump actually says, and then contradict whatever it might be. By trying to develop your own ideas, which were similar to Trump's, you've shown yourself to be a curmudgeon.
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  77. @marwan
    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.
    No . This decade 2010-2016 has seen Assad kill 300,000 Syrians , Isis kill 100,000 in Syria and Iraq . Im not aware of any other larger scale killings since 2010 . So your millions this decade killed in the middle east is laughable and retarded , but hey ALT-R/WN is not know for high IQ.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.
     
    Bolshevik revolution was by Russian Christians and Atheists . Stalins purges were from an Orthodox Christian . The Armenian genocide was perpetuated by Muslim Turks . Whats next from you ?? Pol Pot was a zionist Jew ??

    Forget it, marwan. People here know all about Oded Yinon and the Clean Break memo. And it’s not just Unz.com either; the truth is spreading all throughout the global internet like wildfire. Going forward, Zionist control of the MSM will be less and less of an advantage.

    The Settler State’s days are numbered …

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @marwan
    Jews have had a direct role in killing millions in the Middle East just this decade alone.
    No . This decade 2010-2016 has seen Assad kill 300,000 Syrians , Isis kill 100,000 in Syria and Iraq . Im not aware of any other larger scale killings since 2010 . So your millions this decade killed in the middle east is laughable and retarded , but hey ALT-R/WN is not know for high IQ.

    Add in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Armenian Genocide that Jews played prominent roles in, and your examples pale in comparison.
     
    Bolshevik revolution was by Russian Christians and Atheists . Stalins purges were from an Orthodox Christian . The Armenian genocide was perpetuated by Muslim Turks . Whats next from you ?? Pol Pot was a zionist Jew ??

    Jews don’t like to get their hands dirty killing others while there are guilable goyim who will do the killing for them.

    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.

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    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.
     
    Facts disprove this . Israel has killed 22,000 palestinians since 1967 . Sudan killed millions , Indonesia killed half a million , china killed millions , russia killed hundreds of thousands , syria killed hundreds of thousands just in the last 5 years . In addition mauritania still has slavery and sudan created the janjaweed militia to rape defenseless women in an ethnic cleansing effort to arabize the population . Seems goyim , specifically muslim but others a well are much much much more likely to kill defenseless people .
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  79. Tom Welsh says:
    @mtn cur
    Given our policies around the world, Why must there be a conspiracy for a gang of "hey ya'll, watch this ," rednecks to steal a plot, from a Clancy novel and run large airplanes into buildings; the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid and still hard to fend off despite prior warning. I cannot differ with the other details here, except to add that the phony citizens of the "western demon -ocracies have rolled over for consumerism like greedy kids rolling over for molesters in return for candy.

    “…the suicide pilots of japan in WWII were notoriously green and stupid…”

    Did you know that the first pilot to crash his plane deliberately into an enemy ship in the Pacific War was an American, in 1941?

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  80. Tom Welsh says:

    Excellent article – all nails hit squarely on the head and driven deep.

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  81. The alternative is to go berserk with missiles as the curtain falls.

    This is what I as a kiwi in Australia fear the most. A USA like a dying star consuming all in its death throes. Clinton terrifies me.

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  82. @marwan
    You are hardly the person to call another a liar with a quote like this :

    you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

     

    Conspiracy theories aside , Israel is responsible for those they kill. That equals 22,000 since 1967 . America is responsible for who they killed ,Russia is responsible for who they kill and so on . Sudan , however killed millions in South Sudan , and currently in Darfur as well . In addition they created the Janjaweed militia to systematically ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . I know , I know , its difficult for you to weave one of your patented Zionist Conspiracies , so you don't care bout millions killed in a genocide perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Sudan . Surely the half milllion killed in occupied Papua by the Indonesians is also something you can caveat away and not care about .

    As for the figures of aid to Sudan , these are what I found . : 2013 1.1 billion , 2012 980 million , 2011 440 million , 2010 427 million , 2009 924 million . Never mind what kind of aid it is or where it is ostensibly to go , once its in Sudan all bets are off . The all powerful government will get their hands on most of it , corruption etc . You must admit , Sudan does much more damage with much less money than Israel . I mean Sudan kills millions with 1 billion or less per year , yet Israel only killed several thousand over a 50 year period . Will you ever write of the real horrors of the world ?? Indonesia , Sudan , Mauritania , Syria , China etc ?

    CONSPIRACY TIORI-card

    yo’re a sick Dinh!! ;)

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  83. marwan says:
    @Anonymous
    Jews don't like to get their hands dirty killing others while there are guilable goyim who will do the killing for them.

    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.

    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.

    Facts disprove this . Israel has killed 22,000 palestinians since 1967 . Sudan killed millions , Indonesia killed half a million , china killed millions , russia killed hundreds of thousands , syria killed hundreds of thousands just in the last 5 years . In addition mauritania still has slavery and sudan created the janjaweed militia to rape defenseless women in an ethnic cleansing effort to arabize the population . Seems goyim , specifically muslim but others a well are much much much more likely to kill defenseless people .

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    Those are Jewish facts. Which don't mean much to people who can think for themselves.

    Like I said before. Jews have killed far more people than the other examples you gave. But Jews don't do the killing directly, they manipulate guilable goyim to do their bidding and use the media they own to cover things up.
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  84. Rurik says:
    @Linh Dinh
    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that's why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.

    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that’s why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.

    Beautiful!

    Great article!

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  85. mtn cur says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Chained to endless war on a false premise, enslaved by banksters and led by the nose by a tiny, besieged nation that must spill blood endlessly just to exist, it’s no wonder the United States is going down.
     
    You've done well Grasshopper. You've neatly tied all this together in a bundle. But the core problem - the insurmountable problem - you've apparently missed. It's all well and good to pound our keyboards with fantasies of ending the Zionist banksters cabal ruling America and tearing apart Europe, but it cannot be stopped.

    America has nearly 100,000,000 fanatic Bible Thumpers who believe, nay...they *know*, their omnipotent and omniscient sky fairy is coming to fetch them to his special fairy kingdom in the sky, but that won't happen if the Zionists aren't in Palestine killing Arab babies on a daily basis. So we get Presidents like Bush, a fanatic Thumper himself, turning up the heat in hopes that dead American kids and mountains of dead Arabs will bring the sky fairy even quicker. Meanwhile, to the Zionists, we are all just livestock since we weren't Chosen by their sky fairy and the Thumpers are certain that if we just dunk the Zionists heads under water real quick the Thumper sky fairy will bring them along to the Thumpers fairy kingdom. And don't forget that in addition to our 100,000,000 fanatic Thumpers who know this will all happen any second now, America has around another 100,000,000 who believe all this is perfectly plausible and true, but are only about 50% committed to the belief that it may happen in their lifetime. So they'll go pray and give their boy children to be molested by men in dresses wearing funny hats, and give money to their sky fairy so he can bring savage cannibals to the house next door that's been vacant, and vote for a Clinton who is wholly owned by the Zionist banksters and equally committed to more mountains of dead Arabs in Arabia as well as freighter loads of live Arabs in Minneapolis.

    When you come up with a plan to erase the sky fairy fantasies from 200,000,000 Thumpers and quasi-Thumpers, then perhaps we can discuss solutions to the problems you've described above. Until then, they're about as likely to happen as the rest of the fairy tales.

    I have two large hunting dogs who behave according to their fear of punishment and hope for reward; people who are not further along philosophically than my dogs are large children with arrested development and too post literate to see the pragmatic design features of first trying to love your neighbors and then avoiding them if that doesn’t work. These poor tards plainly think the teaching on loving your enemies is garnish for Charleton Heston flicks. Lee, Jackson and Forest understood this and unfortunately, caused the blasted war to last years longer than it should have. Call the first cause what you will, the idea that whatever caused the cosmos to come gang banging into existence is as stupid and vicious as naked apes with nukes and holy writ is proof that god has a great sense of humor. Of course, the creator gets as many free games as It wants and we don’t.

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  86. Mulegino1 says:

    The ludicrous official narrative of 9/11 breaks down from the very first alleged incident – the 767 penetrating WTC 1 and leaving a virtual cartoon cutout on the building’s perimeter. In the real world, this is virtually impossible.

    The fuselage of the 767 is essentially a hollow aluminum and fiberglass tube with a very soft carbon nose, and the wings are light and mostly hollow, as they are also used to hold jet fuel; the wingtips are so fragile that they cannot even hold fuel, just the running lights. The sturdiest part of the plane are the titanium engines and the landing gear.

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14″ wide box columns composed of 1/4″ structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors. In the real world, most of the aircraft and its contents would have been shredded into confetti like shards and fallen to the street below the point of impact; the fires caused by the jet fuel would have erupted on the perimeter.

    Consider what it takes to penetrate 1/2″ steel (it would have had to penetrate two sides of the box columns to actually enter the building) : taking the example of a 7.62 x 54 r armor piercing round: a hardened alloy tip, an alloy jacket, and a solid steel core. That will penetrate 1/2″ of structural steel. Try to make an armor piercing round that is hollow aluminum and fiberglass and filled with kerosene. The whole thing is laughable in the extreme.

    Then you have the magic videos of what is supposedly UA 175 going into the South Tower. You will notice that the “airliner” maintains uniform velocity as it slams into the massive structure – no reaction whatsoever – thereby violating Newton’s Third Law. Virtually all of the videos are impossible in the real world. Steel and concrete structures do not swallow up commercial airliners. Yet we were told initially that the plane went right through the building!

    If you google “Chopper 4 9/11″ you can see live footage of what really happened. Chopper 4′s news camera had a panoramic view of the WTC from all four directions and all it captured was an explosion in WTC2 and a small, barely visible flying object descending vertically towards the top floors of the South Tower. There was no commercial airliner in sight.

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    This is a great example of dumb conspiracy thinking:

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14″ wide box columns composed of 1/4″ structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors.
     
    You don't have to guess. You can find the weight of a 767 wing and multiply by speed and find the force. Hint: it's plenty.

    There was no commercial airliner in sight.
     
    The planes seen were holograms, then?

    Do you people see why it's impossible to argue with truthers now?
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  87. Boris says:
    @Linh Dinh
    The erosion of liberties is justified by the bogus War on Terror, which was triggered by 9/11, and that's why 9/11 needs to be examined and explained fully.

    The absurd 9/11 narrative must be maintained by our criminal government because it gives them the pretext to conduct endless war and destroy civil liberties.

    If you are really concerned about the erosion of liberties–and you should be–then trutherism is perhaps the least effective way of addressing that problem.

    But obviously your concern is more about exposing what you have decided already is an “absurd 9/11 narrative” propped up by a “criminal government.” No examination or explanation that doesn’t reach your conclusion will be considered worthy. So why even conduct an investigation?

    It would be nice if there were an actual and honestly thorough investigation into 9/11. We could learn a lot from it. But the people who demand these investigations are so steeped in conspiracy that politicians rightly see it as a pointless exercise with no upside. No truther will be satisfied unless the report concludes that a missile hit the Pentagon and steel can’t be melted by jet fuel and other moronic “truths” that have been uncovered by wily YouTube scientists.

    So your hearts are sort of in the right place, I guess. Brains need relocating, however.

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    Well, let's start with baby steps. What of the suppressed pages of the official commission's report? Should they continue to be secret?
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  88. “Israel is a horrible concept…”

    That’s taking the analysis to a new level. It’s not just that it is oppressive and cheats the Palestinians, is imperialist, land-hungry, whatever. It’s a horrible “concept”. Why is that?

    Jews are evil when they are rootless cosmopolitans undermining national cultures both specifically and as a general concept.

    Jews are also evil when they decide they want an ethnostate rooted in the land and with a powerful military.

    Jews plainly can’t win.

    Israel is an ethnostate in which Jews want it to be a Jewish state and they oppress others to this end. That would be like the Arab Muslim attitude to all their countries, Turkish thinking, Iranian thinking, basically the thinking of most countries outside the Euro-American bubble. Anybody here opposed to Putin’s [demographically much less well-supported] efforts to bolster the Russianness of the Russian Federation?

    Israel uses its military and security services to meddle in other peoples business, spy on them, steal secrets, etc. Like America and every other nation with the means.

    Taking the deeply flawed colonialist analysis of the Said school at face value [flawed because the Jews are not and have at no time acted as the settler wing of any Western power or as an extension of them], that would make Israel a colonial plantation of aliens on the native soil of others. Like all of the New World, Australia, New Zealand.

    The Israelis want Israel to be a specifically Jewish state. Taken as an ethnicity, that makes Israel the same as Japan, India [many ethnicities but only those of subcontinent origin or at least 1000 years presence to be taken seriously], Pakistan [ditto], Iran [similar], every Arab country, pretty much every Asian country, African countries to the extent borders permit it, Latin countries albeit moderated by the conquistador/indian problem, and European countries until recently.

    Taken as a religion, that makes Israel the same as every Muslim country, none of which make any bones about being Muslim countries.

    Why is the “concept” of Israel any worse than the “concept” of America, either today [plutocrat-worshipping moral cess pool to be celebrated every July 4th with gusto] or as the founders knew it [republic for white yeomen run on their behalf by New York and Boston bankers and Virginia gentry]? [Not that I object to that last but, like Israel, it sucked if you were on the outside].

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    "The Israelis want Israel to be a specifically Jewish state. Taken as an ethnicity, that makes Israel the same as Japan...."
    Japan has been enjoying an interrupted continuity of its statehood for thousands of years, as well as the ethnic homogeneity from the time immemorial. Whereas the Jewish people went to live, as a rule on their own volition, to the most advantageous places around the globe. The state of Israel is a highly artificial entity conceived by German atheists of Jewish decent and established by the idealistic "freedom fighters" and quasi-communists. The intentions for establishing the state of Israel were, to certain extend, of most virtuous nature, but the resulting fruit has a lot of questionable aspects.
    A "specifically Jewish state" would mean an institutionalized ethnocentricity. Then what would happen if other countries decide to turn the tables and apply the same concept towards their Jewish populations?
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  89. @Connecticut Famer
    Too late. I would have been happy with my man, Number One Son Rand, the only one amidst the clown show who was worth supporting. Point taken though.

    Rand Paul is a company man. He endorsed Mitt Romney, after his father was “done dirty” by the GOP. He is a Neo-Cuck.

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  90. Boris says:
    @Mulegino1
    The ludicrous official narrative of 9/11 breaks down from the very first alleged incident - the 767 penetrating WTC 1 and leaving a virtual cartoon cutout on the building's perimeter. In the real world, this is virtually impossible.

    The fuselage of the 767 is essentially a hollow aluminum and fiberglass tube with a very soft carbon nose, and the wings are light and mostly hollow, as they are also used to hold jet fuel; the wingtips are so fragile that they cannot even hold fuel, just the running lights. The sturdiest part of the plane are the titanium engines and the landing gear.

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14" wide box columns composed of 1/4" structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors. In the real world, most of the aircraft and its contents would have been shredded into confetti like shards and fallen to the street below the point of impact; the fires caused by the jet fuel would have erupted on the perimeter.

    Consider what it takes to penetrate 1/2" steel (it would have had to penetrate two sides of the box columns to actually enter the building) : taking the example of a 7.62 x 54 r armor piercing round: a hardened alloy tip, an alloy jacket, and a solid steel core. That will penetrate 1/2" of structural steel. Try to make an armor piercing round that is hollow aluminum and fiberglass and filled with kerosene. The whole thing is laughable in the extreme.

    Then you have the magic videos of what is supposedly UA 175 going into the South Tower. You will notice that the "airliner" maintains uniform velocity as it slams into the massive structure - no reaction whatsoever - thereby violating Newton's Third Law. Virtually all of the videos are impossible in the real world. Steel and concrete structures do not swallow up commercial airliners. Yet we were told initially that the plane went right through the building!

    If you google "Chopper 4 9/11" you can see live footage of what really happened. Chopper 4's news camera had a panoramic view of the WTC from all four directions and all it captured was an explosion in WTC2 and a small, barely visible flying object descending vertically towards the top floors of the South Tower. There was no commercial airliner in sight.

    This is a great example of dumb conspiracy thinking:

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14″ wide box columns composed of 1/4″ structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors.

    You don’t have to guess. You can find the weight of a 767 wing and multiply by speed and find the force. Hint: it’s plenty.

    There was no commercial airliner in sight.

    The planes seen were holograms, then?

    Do you people see why it’s impossible to argue with truthers now?

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    "Like I said, it’s pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists."

    Yes, it is pointless. Although, it can be entertaining at times. Go ahead and have some fun.

    , @Mulegino1
    And you can also take the weight of WTC 2 (what, about five hundred thousand tons?) and multiply it by the same speed and force, since Newton's Third Law states for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? The "airliner" travelling at 560 or so mph (impossible for a commercial Boein 767 at or near sea level) and striking the building at rest would have exactly the same effect as WTC2 travelling at the same speed and striking the airliner at rest.

    No, most likely most of the fake imagery was CGI, which would explain why there are so many divergent trajectories for the "airliner" in the "amateur footage"; also, there is footage from entirely different locations having the same voices in the background. It was clearly CGI imagery inserted into the network feeds.

    Chopper 4's footage which is quite clear and panoramic, simply shows a small flying object (not an airliner) descending vertically towards WTC 2, then a fireball on the opposite side of the building. There is nothing resembling a commercial airliner in sight.
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  91. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    If you are really concerned about the erosion of liberties--and you should be--then trutherism is perhaps the least effective way of addressing that problem.

    But obviously your concern is more about exposing what you have decided already is an "absurd 9/11 narrative" propped up by a "criminal government." No examination or explanation that doesn't reach your conclusion will be considered worthy. So why even conduct an investigation?

    It would be nice if there were an actual and honestly thorough investigation into 9/11. We could learn a lot from it. But the people who demand these investigations are so steeped in conspiracy that politicians rightly see it as a pointless exercise with no upside. No truther will be satisfied unless the report concludes that a missile hit the Pentagon and steel can't be melted by jet fuel and other moronic "truths" that have been uncovered by wily YouTube scientists.

    So your hearts are sort of in the right place, I guess. Brains need relocating, however.

    Well, let’s start with baby steps. What of the suppressed pages of the official commission’s report? Should they continue to be secret?

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    Most likely not.
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  92. annamaria says:
    @random observer
    "Israel is a horrible concept..."

    That's taking the analysis to a new level. It's not just that it is oppressive and cheats the Palestinians, is imperialist, land-hungry, whatever. It's a horrible "concept". Why is that?

    Jews are evil when they are rootless cosmopolitans undermining national cultures both specifically and as a general concept.

    Jews are also evil when they decide they want an ethnostate rooted in the land and with a powerful military.

    Jews plainly can't win.

    Israel is an ethnostate in which Jews want it to be a Jewish state and they oppress others to this end. That would be like the Arab Muslim attitude to all their countries, Turkish thinking, Iranian thinking, basically the thinking of most countries outside the Euro-American bubble. Anybody here opposed to Putin's [demographically much less well-supported] efforts to bolster the Russianness of the Russian Federation?

    Israel uses its military and security services to meddle in other peoples business, spy on them, steal secrets, etc. Like America and every other nation with the means.

    Taking the deeply flawed colonialist analysis of the Said school at face value [flawed because the Jews are not and have at no time acted as the settler wing of any Western power or as an extension of them], that would make Israel a colonial plantation of aliens on the native soil of others. Like all of the New World, Australia, New Zealand.

    The Israelis want Israel to be a specifically Jewish state. Taken as an ethnicity, that makes Israel the same as Japan, India [many ethnicities but only those of subcontinent origin or at least 1000 years presence to be taken seriously], Pakistan [ditto], Iran [similar], every Arab country, pretty much every Asian country, African countries to the extent borders permit it, Latin countries albeit moderated by the conquistador/indian problem, and European countries until recently.

    Taken as a religion, that makes Israel the same as every Muslim country, none of which make any bones about being Muslim countries.

    Why is the "concept" of Israel any worse than the "concept" of America, either today [plutocrat-worshipping moral cess pool to be celebrated every July 4th with gusto] or as the founders knew it [republic for white yeomen run on their behalf by New York and Boston bankers and Virginia gentry]? [Not that I object to that last but, like Israel, it sucked if you were on the outside].

    “The Israelis want Israel to be a specifically Jewish state. Taken as an ethnicity, that makes Israel the same as Japan….”
    Japan has been enjoying an interrupted continuity of its statehood for thousands of years, as well as the ethnic homogeneity from the time immemorial. Whereas the Jewish people went to live, as a rule on their own volition, to the most advantageous places around the globe. The state of Israel is a highly artificial entity conceived by German atheists of Jewish decent and established by the idealistic “freedom fighters” and quasi-communists. The intentions for establishing the state of Israel were, to certain extend, of most virtuous nature, but the resulting fruit has a lot of questionable aspects.
    A “specifically Jewish state” would mean an institutionalized ethnocentricity. Then what would happen if other countries decide to turn the tables and apply the same concept towards their Jewish populations?

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  93. iffen says:
    @Boris
    This is a great example of dumb conspiracy thinking:

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14″ wide box columns composed of 1/4″ structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors.
     
    You don't have to guess. You can find the weight of a 767 wing and multiply by speed and find the force. Hint: it's plenty.

    There was no commercial airliner in sight.
     
    The planes seen were holograms, then?

    Do you people see why it's impossible to argue with truthers now?

    “Like I said, it’s pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.”

    Yes, it is pointless. Although, it can be entertaining at times. Go ahead and have some fun.

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  94. Boris says:
    @5371
    Well, let's start with baby steps. What of the suppressed pages of the official commission's report? Should they continue to be secret?

    Most likely not.

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  95. Rurik says:
    @marwan
    You are hardly the person to call another a liar with a quote like this :

    you’re not counting the millions of people killed by America on Israel’s behalf, or the number of Americans who have died for Israel.

     

    Conspiracy theories aside , Israel is responsible for those they kill. That equals 22,000 since 1967 . America is responsible for who they killed ,Russia is responsible for who they kill and so on . Sudan , however killed millions in South Sudan , and currently in Darfur as well . In addition they created the Janjaweed militia to systematically ethnically cleanse and arabize the population . I know , I know , its difficult for you to weave one of your patented Zionist Conspiracies , so you don't care bout millions killed in a genocide perpetuated by the Islamic Republic of Sudan . Surely the half milllion killed in occupied Papua by the Indonesians is also something you can caveat away and not care about .

    As for the figures of aid to Sudan , these are what I found . : 2013 1.1 billion , 2012 980 million , 2011 440 million , 2010 427 million , 2009 924 million . Never mind what kind of aid it is or where it is ostensibly to go , once its in Sudan all bets are off . The all powerful government will get their hands on most of it , corruption etc . You must admit , Sudan does much more damage with much less money than Israel . I mean Sudan kills millions with 1 billion or less per year , yet Israel only killed several thousand over a 50 year period . Will you ever write of the real horrors of the world ?? Indonesia , Sudan , Mauritania , Syria , China etc ?

    Israel is responsible for those they kill.

    you sound like Menachem Begin, who said after Ariel Sharon presided over the Sabra and Shatila massacre: “Goyim kill Goyim and they blame the Jew”

    the reason people are outraged over the myriad and horrific relentless atrocities committed by Israel on the Palestinians, are not just because of its wanton cruelty, for cruelty’s sake…

    It isn’t just because their victims are absolutely blameless- having done nothing but existing on their own land coveted by the Zionists as their only “offense”

    It isn’t just because the world is repulsed by the way the Jews deliberately humiliate these pitiable people, clearly taking pleasure in the cruelty

    It isn’t just because we are forced to pay for it

    It isn’t just because our sniveling government tries pathetically to provide “moral” cover for these cowardly and sickening crimes

    It isn’t just because they lie about everything that they do, earning even more contempt from the rest of the world for whom lies and liars are not just a disgrace, but a iniquitous black stain on the fabric of human relations, that require trust and honestly to function at a bare minimum. The Israeli penchant for lies and lying at all times about everything, undermines the very foundations of human trust. But it isn’t just that.

    It isn’t just the way we see the images of the little boys playing on the beach who were targeted and executed for trying to simply be boys. It’s not just that..

    or this: {warning}

    It’s also the way decent people have a hard time with the kind of rotten, fucked up people who take sadistic pleasure in tormenting others. (We hate that ; ) Others who are powerless and at the mercy of the merciless bullies, murderers and genocidal thugs. These things tweak our sensibilities, and we can’t stand to watch it. Whether its whites treating blacks poorly in S. Africa, or Jews treating Arabs with sadistic cruelty. Like watching a man stomping on a puppy, or beating the shit out of a child, or pummeling a girl with his fists, there are things we just can’t watch in silence.

    But perhaps the main reason people are outraged at the way the Jews treat the Palestinians is because for our entire lives we’ve all been morally bludgeoned by hysterical Jews screeching at us all how terrible was their suffering, and how wicked we all are and anti-Semitic we all were for allowing that to happen to them. And so now, as the world watches with horror at just how unimaginably cruel a people can be to their powerless victims, we’re all struck by the enormity of the Jewish double standard. They really do shout at their victims ‘stop kicking me!’ – while their kicking the shit out of their victims.

    That’s why we’re all more outraged at the atrocities committed by Jews in Palestine, than others around the world. And to add insult to injury, it was the good graces of the Western world that vouchsafed Israel in the fist place, out of compassion for a people who were unfairly persecuted.

    We, the people of the West, did not do that so that the Jews could play at being genocidal, sadistic monsters to helpless victims, especially on our dime.

    capishe?

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    nice diatribe . got fresh news , western powers vouchsafed most of the countries into existence today , including indonesia and sudan. was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963 ? was it vouchsafed into existence to facilitate genocide in papua , kill half a million papuans , displace papuans with ruling class javanese muslims as part of trans migrasi ( ethnic cleansing ) policy ?
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  96. marwan says:
    @Rurik

    Israel is responsible for those they kill.
     
    you sound like Menachem Begin, who said after Ariel Sharon presided over the Sabra and Shatila massacre: “Goyim kill Goyim and they blame the Jew”

    the reason people are outraged over the myriad and horrific relentless atrocities committed by Israel on the Palestinians, are not just because of its wanton cruelty, for cruelty's sake...

    It isn't just because their victims are absolutely blameless- having done nothing but existing on their own land coveted by the Zionists as their only "offense"

    It isn't just because the world is repulsed by the way the Jews deliberately humiliate these pitiable people, clearly taking pleasure in the cruelty

    It isn't just because we are forced to pay for it

    It isn't just because our sniveling government tries pathetically to provide "moral" cover for these cowardly and sickening crimes

    It isn't just because they lie about everything that they do, earning even more contempt from the rest of the world for whom lies and liars are not just a disgrace, but a iniquitous black stain on the fabric of human relations, that require trust and honestly to function at a bare minimum. The Israeli penchant for lies and lying at all times about everything, undermines the very foundations of human trust. But it isn't just that.

    It isn't just the way we see the images of the little boys playing on the beach who were targeted and executed for trying to simply be boys. It's not just that..

    or this: {warning}

    http://www.mbc.net/default/mediaObject/Photos/2014/July/week-2/12-7-2014/6/original/bf3bda14ac2ddb62f34a4250d3588b164bd207a3/6.jpg

    It's also the way decent people have a hard time with the kind of rotten, fucked up people who take sadistic pleasure in tormenting others. (We hate that ; ) Others who are powerless and at the mercy of the merciless bullies, murderers and genocidal thugs. These things tweak our sensibilities, and we can't stand to watch it. Whether its whites treating blacks poorly in S. Africa, or Jews treating Arabs with sadistic cruelty. Like watching a man stomping on a puppy, or beating the shit out of a child, or pummeling a girl with his fists, there are things we just can't watch in silence.

    But perhaps the main reason people are outraged at the way the Jews treat the Palestinians is because for our entire lives we've all been morally bludgeoned by hysterical Jews screeching at us all how terrible was their suffering, and how wicked we all are and anti-Semitic we all were for allowing that to happen to them. And so now, as the world watches with horror at just how unimaginably cruel a people can be to their powerless victims, we're all struck by the enormity of the Jewish double standard. They really do shout at their victims 'stop kicking me!' - while their kicking the shit out of their victims.

    That's why we're all more outraged at the atrocities committed by Jews in Palestine, than others around the world. And to add insult to injury, it was the good graces of the Western world that vouchsafed Israel in the fist place, out of compassion for a people who were unfairly persecuted.

    We, the people of the West, did not do that so that the Jews could play at being genocidal, sadistic monsters to helpless victims, especially on our dime.

    capishe?

    nice diatribe . got fresh news , western powers vouchsafed most of the countries into existence today , including indonesia and sudan. was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963 ? was it vouchsafed into existence to facilitate genocide in papua , kill half a million papuans , displace papuans with ruling class javanese muslims as part of trans migrasi ( ethnic cleansing ) policy ?

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    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963
     
    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I'm not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don't matter, and we've never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It's only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we've had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of "anti-Semite" when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it's all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that's kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what "we" did to "them".

    It's just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting 'stop kicking me!'

    So I hope in some small way I'm getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we're forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn't perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel's wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)
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  97. @anonymous

    Mexico wired the most at around 30 billion.
     
    Well, you've stumbled upon a better solution than a wall. The wire services banks (greedily) provide for illegals should be ended. No SSN, no financial services!

    YES. Great idea, Anonymous. Anyone who tries to wire money outside the US without a Social Security Number should be refused service, then detained until police or federal immigration personnel arrive to check their identification and verify their right to be in the USA.

    Anyone who can’t prove a right to be here should be placed in maximum-security prison for years and then deported to the middle of Mexico (if they’re Mexican) — and executed if Mexico or their home country won’t take them.

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  98. Mulegino1 says:
    @Boris
    This is a great example of dumb conspiracy thinking:

    Guess what happens when a light and hollow aluminum and fiberglass object hits a perimeter composed mostly of 14″ wide box columns composed of 1/4″ structural steel on all four sides, not to mention reinforced concrete floors.
     
    You don't have to guess. You can find the weight of a 767 wing and multiply by speed and find the force. Hint: it's plenty.

    There was no commercial airliner in sight.
     
    The planes seen were holograms, then?

    Do you people see why it's impossible to argue with truthers now?

    And you can also take the weight of WTC 2 (what, about five hundred thousand tons?) and multiply it by the same speed and force, since Newton’s Third Law states for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? The “airliner” travelling at 560 or so mph (impossible for a commercial Boein 767 at or near sea level) and striking the building at rest would have exactly the same effect as WTC2 travelling at the same speed and striking the airliner at rest.

    No, most likely most of the fake imagery was CGI, which would explain why there are so many divergent trajectories for the “airliner” in the “amateur footage”; also, there is footage from entirely different locations having the same voices in the background. It was clearly CGI imagery inserted into the network feeds.

    Chopper 4′s footage which is quite clear and panoramic, simply shows a small flying object (not an airliner) descending vertically towards WTC 2, then a fireball on the opposite side of the building. There is nothing resembling a commercial airliner in sight.

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  99. Rurik says:
    @marwan
    nice diatribe . got fresh news , western powers vouchsafed most of the countries into existence today , including indonesia and sudan. was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963 ? was it vouchsafed into existence to facilitate genocide in papua , kill half a million papuans , displace papuans with ruling class javanese muslims as part of trans migrasi ( ethnic cleansing ) policy ?

    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963

    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I’m not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don’t matter, and we’ve never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It’s only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we’ve had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite” when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it’s all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that’s kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what “we” did to “them”.

    It’s just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting ‘stop kicking me!’

    So I hope in some small way I’m getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we’re forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn’t perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel’s wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)

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    HaHa Y U Mad Bro ????
    Seriously when the comment is longer than the original article , well you might just be a little unhinged , mentally speaking .

    But seriously good job on hitting on almost every single possible conspiracy theory possible to blame Jews for . Hey do me a quick favor though , you forgot Pol Pot . Can you weave a conspiracy theory blaming Jews for the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot , you forgot that one .

    Ill be waiting on pins and needles . Pins and needles that some sly Zionists put under my little bum when I wasn't paying attention !!!!!! Damn lamp shade / human soap Zionists !!!!!! 911 Truth for the win !!!!!!!

    , @Talha
    Rurik, trust me man, don't bite the bait with some people.

    Just let it go - not worth the time, you have way better things to do and you know it. Just some sincere advice...

    May God grant us wisdom in our discourses.
    , @Boris
    "We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite”"

    No, no. You are an anti-Semite because you engage in stupid holocaust denial conspiracies and Israel did 9/11 conspiracies. You act like it's an atrocity that you had to hear about the Holocaust. Just an amazing amount of hate and stupidity from you in that post.

    You can criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinian without being an anti-Semite and letting your hatred create fantasies.
    , @tbraton
    "Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two. "

    The reduction was not a mere "million or two," Rurik, but closer to 3 million. You can find that revision cited in two famous Holocaust denial publications, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    According to the New York Times in January 1995:

    "Historians now place the number of those killed by the Nazis between 1.1 million and 1.5 million, of whom about 90 percent were Jews. But, according to Dr. Berenbaum, immediately after the war, Poland's Communist rulers were inclined to believe a Russian estimate that 4 million people had died at Auschwitz, half of them Poles. Although that figure has since been debunked by Polish historians, public consciousness has not caught up; many Poles still view Auschwitz as a place of national martyrdom, he said." http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/29/weekinreview/ideas-trends-whose-memory-lives-when-the-last-survivor-dies.html

    From a summary of the Washington Post article of January 26, 1995 (there is a pay wall):

    "AN ACCOUNTING AT AUSCHWITZ; 50 Years After Liberation, a Final Toll on Atrocity
    [FINAL Edition]

    The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C.
    Author: Waxman, Sharon
    Date: Jan 26, 1995
    Start Page: C.01
    Section: STYLE

    Franciszek Piper has known for years how many people died at the concentration camp called Auschwitz. For nine years, to be exact.

    It was not until 1991, after the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel published Piper's findings, that the museum publicly adopted the change, removing a sign reading "4 Million" at Auschwitz II, called Birkenau, site of the main gas chambers and crematoriums. (The West had never accepted the Polish figure.) And it is only now, 40 years since the creation of the permanent exhibit, that the museum is preparing another that clearly and accurately states the identities of the victims -- 1 million Jews killed because they were Jews; 23,000 Gypsies murdered because they were Gypsies; about 75,000 Poles killed -- some tortured, some worked to death -- because of their resistance to fascism.

    History has arrived at Auschwitz. Fifty years after the liberation of the camp by Soviet soldiers -- an anniversary to be marked tomorrow with an international ceremony -- the historians who have toiled here for decades, their work spurned by the West as tainted and rejected by Polish authorities as politically unacceptable, have come to daylight. Old museum guidebooks have been thrown away, and a flurry of new accounts are being published. Curators have begun installing commemorative markers for the first time in Birkenau, and at last the vast archives of the camp are being mined for information about the victims, their resistance, the collaboration of civilian industries and the sinister process that came to be known as the Final Solution." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/doc/307805353.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jan+26%2C+1995&author=Waxman%2C+Sharon&desc=AN+ACCOUNTING+AT+AUSCHWITZ%3B+50+Years+After+Liberation%2C+a+Final+Toll+on+Atrocity

    Despite the downward revision in the death toll at Auschwitz of 3 million, the iconic figure of 6 million Jews killed by Hitler didn't even budge, but remained fixed at the number that was tossed out by Soviet Communists soon after their armies invaded Poland near the end of WWII, probably because we know deep down that Soviet Communists would never lie about anything, especially when it concerned their mortal enemies, the Germans.

    With respect to the lampshade nonsense, there is a footnote (p. 774) in John Toland's magisterial biography "Adolph Hitler" in which he tells of the experiences of SS Judge Morgen who was assigned the task in late 1943 of investigating the goings on at Buchenwald and attempted to bring his findings to the attention of higher-ups, but was rebuffed. According to the footnote: "Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven. After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied that , while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly innocent of this charge. After personally investigating the matter, he had thrown it out of his own case. Even so, the American insisted that Morgen sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had made the lampshades. Anyone undaunted by Nazi threats was not likely to submit to those of a representative of the democracies. His refusal to lie was a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death. Morgen's second and third refusals were followed by severe beatings. Though he detested Frau Koch, nothing could induce him to bear false witness. Fortunately, Morgen survived and is presently practicing law in West Germany." [Toland's book was published in 1976.]
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  100. marwan says:
    @Rurik

    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963
     
    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I'm not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don't matter, and we've never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It's only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we've had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of "anti-Semite" when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it's all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that's kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what "we" did to "them".

    It's just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting 'stop kicking me!'

    So I hope in some small way I'm getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we're forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn't perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel's wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)

    TL/DR
    HaHa Y U Mad Bro ????
    Seriously when the comment is longer than the original article , well you might just be a little unhinged , mentally speaking .

    But seriously good job on hitting on almost every single possible conspiracy theory possible to blame Jews for . Hey do me a quick favor though , you forgot Pol Pot . Can you weave a conspiracy theory blaming Jews for the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot , you forgot that one .

    Ill be waiting on pins and needles . Pins and needles that some sly Zionists put under my little bum when I wasn’t paying attention !!!!!! Damn lamp shade / human soap Zionists !!!!!! 911 Truth for the win !!!!!!!

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    It is telling that your only aim is to defend Israel, and this you've shown consistently on many other threads at Unz Review. You don't care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel. You're willing to distort any fact or situation, in defense of Israel.
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  101. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @marwan
    TL/DR
    HaHa Y U Mad Bro ????
    Seriously when the comment is longer than the original article , well you might just be a little unhinged , mentally speaking .

    But seriously good job on hitting on almost every single possible conspiracy theory possible to blame Jews for . Hey do me a quick favor though , you forgot Pol Pot . Can you weave a conspiracy theory blaming Jews for the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot , you forgot that one .

    Ill be waiting on pins and needles . Pins and needles that some sly Zionists put under my little bum when I wasn't paying attention !!!!!! Damn lamp shade / human soap Zionists !!!!!! 911 Truth for the win !!!!!!!

    It is telling that your only aim is to defend Israel, and this you’ve shown consistently on many other threads at Unz Review. You don’t care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel. You’re willing to distort any fact or situation, in defense of Israel.

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    And Im telling you that your only interest is to find reasons and invent conspiracies to blame Israel and ignore much larger problems , namely genocide committed in the name of Islam , but also genocide in Tibet . Double standards , hypocrisy and worse . You spend 1000 times more effort on conspiracy theories blaming Israel than you do on the combined abuses of China and Tibet millions killed , Sudan and Darfur and South Sudan millions killed , Indonesia and Papua half a million killed , Turkey and Cyprus 40 years of occupation , Slavery in Mauritania , I mean slavery in 2016 Please ! , 14 Islamic countries that make it a crime to convert to Christianity , and punishable by death no less , 14 Islamic countries that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death , the 5300 people killed in the first few months of 2016 alone by Islamic terrorism. Have there been any articles about any of these ? NO , but dozens about Israel .
    , @utu
    #101 "You [@marwan] don’t care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel." - This called ethnocentrism.
    , @Anonymous
    Well said!

    And then Marwan goes and proves your point.

    The problem with Jews is that as you say Jews could care less about what happens to their fellow man. Even when Jews seem to care like with black people, Jews only care because there is something in it for them. Undermining the goyim.

    Meanwhile, Jews spend all their time trying to convince the rest of the world we should fell sorry for the Jews. Holocost, holocost, holocost. They even invented a special word for descrimination against the Jews antisemite.
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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @marwan

    Jews will only kill the most defenseless and beaten down people themselves. The Palestinians.
     
    Facts disprove this . Israel has killed 22,000 palestinians since 1967 . Sudan killed millions , Indonesia killed half a million , china killed millions , russia killed hundreds of thousands , syria killed hundreds of thousands just in the last 5 years . In addition mauritania still has slavery and sudan created the janjaweed militia to rape defenseless women in an ethnic cleansing effort to arabize the population . Seems goyim , specifically muslim but others a well are much much much more likely to kill defenseless people .

    Those are Jewish facts. Which don’t mean much to people who can think for themselves.

    Like I said before. Jews have killed far more people than the other examples you gave. But Jews don’t do the killing directly, they manipulate guilable goyim to do their bidding and use the media they own to cover things up.

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  103. Rurik says:

    no Marwan, I didn’t blame the Jews for my missing Twinkie

    just for the things they’re by now very well known for having done.

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them- while stealing their lands and property

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states

    foisting wars

    looting the treasury (oops, I forgot to mention that one! ; )

    anyways, it isn’t Jews per se, it’s just some of them. And they’d get no where were it not for so much eager assistance form assorted and corrupt Gentiles.

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it’s just worth keeping in mind why it is that they’re criticized for it, that’s all Marwin. It isn’t that boogeyman “anti-Semitism” your people are always on about. That’s just a phantom from your collective conscience (as if), always under the bed, looking for innocent Jews to blame for missing towers

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    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust
     
    Wow what an offense . Some jews at some point in time lied about some details of the holocaust . Did some Christians at some point in time lie about some details of the holocaust ? Some atheists or some Muslims lie about some details of the holocaust also ?? Honestly I don't care about talking about the holocaust , whether 600,000 were killed or 6 million , its not an issue with me , I really don't care , it was long ago and its over and Germans have made amends and lets leave it there .

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them
     
    Palestinians are not treated as less than human by Israel but rather by the PA and Hamas. They have their own government in Gaza and West Bank. By the way Hamas executes palestinian homosexuals so Israel must except them as refugees. Hamas just executed a senior level official for the crime of homosexuality. In addition they execute people by dragging them behind a motorcycle. Is that treatment less than human ? . In the Islamic Republic of Mauritania there are 600,000 slaves . Seems treatment as non human to me. Israel never did it , but it gets almost no media attention . Are these behaviors which are much worse than anything Israel did.

    while stealing their lands and property
     
    Israel stole no land . Jewish presence goes back farther than Islamic presence . In addition Gaza was Egypt not Palestine when Israel won the territory . West Bank was Jordan not Palestine . Before Israel it was British Mandate , before that Ottoman Empire. Can you name a country in the Western Hemisphere and lets throw in Australia and NZ and China and dozens of others as well , that did not steal land ??

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states
     

    Every country with the means to do so will do just that , not just in usa but everywhere, why single out jews ?

    foisting wars
     
    War is as old as man , dozens of wars every year . Only one involves Israel . Seems muslims have wars and conflicts in every country though. Why single out Israel ? In the first few months of 2016 alone there have been 5300 killed by Islamic Terrorism . How about the rapes across Europe by Muslims invaders ?

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it’s just worth keeping in mind why it is that they’re criticized for it, that’s all Marwin.
     
    No one treats Palestinians worse then other Palestinians . They execute homosexuals . They carry out executions on their citizens by dragging them behind motorcycles. They strap suicide vests on marginally retarded children and force them to kill themselves in the hope they can take a few jews to the afterlife as well . They immerse school children in jihad and martyrdom instead of the 3 R's . They force people to dig terror tunnels that often collapse and kill workers . They launch rockets from civilian areas purposefully to get civilian casualties and sympathy. And of course Sudanese , Mauritanians , Papuans, Tibetans all live under real occupation and are killed in the millions and are subject to systematic rape , so why single out Israel ?
    , @Boris

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity
     
    Yeah, poor Germans. If it hadn't been for the thing about human soap I would have thought the Nazis were all right after all. (Never mind that the Nazis did experiment with making soap from corpses. There was testimony from Nazis and British POWs at Nuremberg on the subject.)

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states
     
    Yeah, only evil JOOS could use money to corrupt politics in the US. Seriously, this is an argument? I'm laughing at how stupid this is.

    Again, when you believe insanely moronic conspiracies, you reduce the chance that people will listen to valid concerns about the Palestine situation. In fact, I doubt you even care about Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS. Your obvious lies are kind of a giveaway.
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  104. marwan says:
    @Linh Dinh
    It is telling that your only aim is to defend Israel, and this you've shown consistently on many other threads at Unz Review. You don't care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel. You're willing to distort any fact or situation, in defense of Israel.

    And Im telling you that your only interest is to find reasons and invent conspiracies to blame Israel and ignore much larger problems , namely genocide committed in the name of Islam , but also genocide in Tibet . Double standards , hypocrisy and worse . You spend 1000 times more effort on conspiracy theories blaming Israel than you do on the combined abuses of China and Tibet millions killed , Sudan and Darfur and South Sudan millions killed , Indonesia and Papua half a million killed , Turkey and Cyprus 40 years of occupation , Slavery in Mauritania , I mean slavery in 2016 Please ! , 14 Islamic countries that make it a crime to convert to Christianity , and punishable by death no less , 14 Islamic countries that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death , the 5300 people killed in the first few months of 2016 alone by Islamic terrorism. Have there been any articles about any of these ? NO , but dozens about Israel .

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  105. marwan says:
    @Rurik
    no Marwan, I didn't blame the Jews for my missing Twinkie

    just for the things they're by now very well known for having done.

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them- while stealing their lands and property

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states

    foisting wars

    looting the treasury (oops, I forgot to mention that one! ; )

    anyways, it isn't Jews per se, it's just some of them. And they'd get no where were it not for so much eager assistance form assorted and corrupt Gentiles.

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it's just worth keeping in mind why it is that they're criticized for it, that's all Marwin. It isn't that boogeyman "anti-Semitism" your people are always on about. That's just a phantom from your collective conscience (as if), always under the bed, looking for innocent Jews to blame for missing towers

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust

    Wow what an offense . Some jews at some point in time lied about some details of the holocaust . Did some Christians at some point in time lie about some details of the holocaust ? Some atheists or some Muslims lie about some details of the holocaust also ?? Honestly I don’t care about talking about the holocaust , whether 600,000 were killed or 6 million , its not an issue with me , I really don’t care , it was long ago and its over and Germans have made amends and lets leave it there .

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them

    Palestinians are not treated as less than human by Israel but rather by the PA and Hamas. They have their own government in Gaza and West Bank. By the way Hamas executes palestinian homosexuals so Israel must except them as refugees. Hamas just executed a senior level official for the crime of homosexuality. In addition they execute people by dragging them behind a motorcycle. Is that treatment less than human ? . In the Islamic Republic of Mauritania there are 600,000 slaves . Seems treatment as non human to me. Israel never did it , but it gets almost no media attention . Are these behaviors which are much worse than anything Israel did.

    while stealing their lands and property

    Israel stole no land . Jewish presence goes back farther than Islamic presence . In addition Gaza was Egypt not Palestine when Israel won the territory . West Bank was Jordan not Palestine . Before Israel it was British Mandate , before that Ottoman Empire. Can you name a country in the Western Hemisphere and lets throw in Australia and NZ and China and dozens of others as well , that did not steal land ??

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states

    Every country with the means to do so will do just that , not just in usa but everywhere, why single out jews ?

    foisting wars

    War is as old as man , dozens of wars every year . Only one involves Israel . Seems muslims have wars and conflicts in every country though. Why single out Israel ? In the first few months of 2016 alone there have been 5300 killed by Islamic Terrorism . How about the rapes across Europe by Muslims invaders ?

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it’s just worth keeping in mind why it is that they’re criticized for it, that’s all Marwin.

    No one treats Palestinians worse then other Palestinians . They execute homosexuals . They carry out executions on their citizens by dragging them behind motorcycles. They strap suicide vests on marginally retarded children and force them to kill themselves in the hope they can take a few jews to the afterlife as well . They immerse school children in jihad and martyrdom instead of the 3 R’s . They force people to dig terror tunnels that often collapse and kill workers . They launch rockets from civilian areas purposefully to get civilian casualties and sympathy. And of course Sudanese , Mauritanians , Papuans, Tibetans all live under real occupation and are killed in the millions and are subject to systematic rape , so why single out Israel ?

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    What was it you said? "Seriously when the comment is longer than the original article , well you might just be a little unhinged , mentally speaking ."
    Well you may not be the most prolific commentator, but I'd say you're 1000 words plus now at the very least.

    Anyway, I agree with you - the coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, in relation to other, is highly inflated.
    Which I suspect has more to do with people like Thomas Friedman, than the American public's passionate interest for it. And this inflation of Jewish interests manifests itself throughout all institutions of power within the US (and consequently globally as well).

    I'd like nothing more than for these Zionists to leave, and continue their propaganda from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, instead of Washington or New York.
    Partly because - just like yourself - I'm sick of hearing about Israel, and partly because I don't think Israeli affairs should be of any relevance to the US.

    And here we touch upon the difference between Israel and the countries you'd prefer we'd talk about: the lobbies of Sudan, or Indonesia, are microscopical compared to the lobbying of pro-Israeli organizations. No presidential candidate will go on stage proclaiming unconditional support for regimes in those countries.

    That's why people talk about Israel a lot - because they're forced to live under governance that's disproportionally influenced by her.
    Perhaps you'd like to adress this, instead of playing dumb and pretending like you don't understand what separates Israel from Sudan.

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  106. utu says:
    @Linh Dinh
    It is telling that your only aim is to defend Israel, and this you've shown consistently on many other threads at Unz Review. You don't care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel. You're willing to distort any fact or situation, in defense of Israel.

    #101 “You [] don’t care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel.” – This called ethnocentrism.

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  107. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963
     
    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I'm not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don't matter, and we've never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It's only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we've had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of "anti-Semite" when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it's all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that's kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what "we" did to "them".

    It's just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting 'stop kicking me!'

    So I hope in some small way I'm getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we're forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn't perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel's wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)

    Rurik, trust me man, don’t bite the bait with some people.

    Just let it go – not worth the time, you have way better things to do and you know it. Just some sincere advice…

    May God grant us wisdom in our discourses.

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    Just let it go – not worth the time,
     
    reading what he wrote in his post 105, was worth all the time

    you get a peek inside their id ('or course we lied about the Holocaust, why wouldn't we')

    I love it when shit like that happens ; )

    May God grant us wisdom in our discourses.

    yes indeed Talha
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  108. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Thanks, Linh Dinh!

    I always appreciate your essays and insights.

    More power to your pen…or keyboard.

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  109. Lupa says:
    @marwan

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust
     
    Wow what an offense . Some jews at some point in time lied about some details of the holocaust . Did some Christians at some point in time lie about some details of the holocaust ? Some atheists or some Muslims lie about some details of the holocaust also ?? Honestly I don't care about talking about the holocaust , whether 600,000 were killed or 6 million , its not an issue with me , I really don't care , it was long ago and its over and Germans have made amends and lets leave it there .

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them
     
    Palestinians are not treated as less than human by Israel but rather by the PA and Hamas. They have their own government in Gaza and West Bank. By the way Hamas executes palestinian homosexuals so Israel must except them as refugees. Hamas just executed a senior level official for the crime of homosexuality. In addition they execute people by dragging them behind a motorcycle. Is that treatment less than human ? . In the Islamic Republic of Mauritania there are 600,000 slaves . Seems treatment as non human to me. Israel never did it , but it gets almost no media attention . Are these behaviors which are much worse than anything Israel did.

    while stealing their lands and property
     
    Israel stole no land . Jewish presence goes back farther than Islamic presence . In addition Gaza was Egypt not Palestine when Israel won the territory . West Bank was Jordan not Palestine . Before Israel it was British Mandate , before that Ottoman Empire. Can you name a country in the Western Hemisphere and lets throw in Australia and NZ and China and dozens of others as well , that did not steal land ??

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states
     

    Every country with the means to do so will do just that , not just in usa but everywhere, why single out jews ?

    foisting wars
     
    War is as old as man , dozens of wars every year . Only one involves Israel . Seems muslims have wars and conflicts in every country though. Why single out Israel ? In the first few months of 2016 alone there have been 5300 killed by Islamic Terrorism . How about the rapes across Europe by Muslims invaders ?

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it’s just worth keeping in mind why it is that they’re criticized for it, that’s all Marwin.
     
    No one treats Palestinians worse then other Palestinians . They execute homosexuals . They carry out executions on their citizens by dragging them behind motorcycles. They strap suicide vests on marginally retarded children and force them to kill themselves in the hope they can take a few jews to the afterlife as well . They immerse school children in jihad and martyrdom instead of the 3 R's . They force people to dig terror tunnels that often collapse and kill workers . They launch rockets from civilian areas purposefully to get civilian casualties and sympathy. And of course Sudanese , Mauritanians , Papuans, Tibetans all live under real occupation and are killed in the millions and are subject to systematic rape , so why single out Israel ?

    What was it you said? “Seriously when the comment is longer than the original article , well you might just be a little unhinged , mentally speaking .”
    Well you may not be the most prolific commentator, but I’d say you’re 1000 words plus now at the very least.

    Anyway, I agree with you – the coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, in relation to other, is highly inflated.
    Which I suspect has more to do with people like Thomas Friedman, than the American public’s passionate interest for it. And this inflation of Jewish interests manifests itself throughout all institutions of power within the US (and consequently globally as well).

    I’d like nothing more than for these Zionists to leave, and continue their propaganda from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, instead of Washington or New York.
    Partly because – just like yourself – I’m sick of hearing about Israel, and partly because I don’t think Israeli affairs should be of any relevance to the US.

    And here we touch upon the difference between Israel and the countries you’d prefer we’d talk about: the lobbies of Sudan, or Indonesia, are microscopical compared to the lobbying of pro-Israeli organizations. No presidential candidate will go on stage proclaiming unconditional support for regimes in those countries.

    That’s why people talk about Israel a lot – because they’re forced to live under governance that’s disproportionally influenced by her.
    Perhaps you’d like to adress this, instead of playing dumb and pretending like you don’t understand what separates Israel from Sudan.

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  110. annamaria says:

    The unraveling of Middle East brings to mind Israel (Oded Yinon Plan) and the US (Clinton, “we came, we saw, he died”). Let Mrs. Clinton continue her existence in infamy: http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740
    “For over 40 years, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans
    Perhaps, Gaddafi’s greatest crime, in the eyes of NATO, was his desire to put the interests of local labour above foreign capital and his quest for a strong and truly United States of Africa. In fact, in August 2011, President Obama confiscated $30 billion from Libya’s Central Bank, which Gaddafi had earmarked for the establishment of the African IMF and African Central Bank.”
    Libya today: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/22/the-next-dangerous-move-in-libya.html

    What was all that righteous squeaking “ruthless dictator in Libya” about when the US have been propping and arming the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? The same Kingdom that was implicated in financing both the 9/11 and ISIS.
    The humanity is facing either a bunch of incorrigible mega-war profiteers or a cabal of the messianic “chosen” disregarding everybody else’ wellbeing and using the US as a host – or a synergic manifestation of both.
    PS: “One group that has suffered immensely from NATO’s bombing campaign is the nation’s women. Unlike many other Arab nations, women in Gaddafi’s Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income.”

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  111. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963
     
    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I'm not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don't matter, and we've never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It's only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we've had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of "anti-Semite" when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it's all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that's kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what "we" did to "them".

    It's just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting 'stop kicking me!'

    So I hope in some small way I'm getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we're forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn't perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel's wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)

    “We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite””

    No, no. You are an anti-Semite because you engage in stupid holocaust denial conspiracies and Israel did 9/11 conspiracies. You act like it’s an atrocity that you had to hear about the Holocaust. Just an amazing amount of hate and stupidity from you in that post.

    You can criticize Israel’s treatment of Palestinian without being an anti-Semite and letting your hatred create fantasies.

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  112. @Boris
    "We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite”"

    No, no. You are an anti-Semite because you engage in stupid holocaust denial conspiracies and Israel did 9/11 conspiracies. You act like it's an atrocity that you had to hear about the Holocaust. Just an amazing amount of hate and stupidity from you in that post.

    You can criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinian without being an anti-Semite and letting your hatred create fantasies.

    just name calling’s’….

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  113. Boris says:
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    no Marwan, I didn't blame the Jews for my missing Twinkie

    just for the things they're by now very well known for having done.

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity

    treating the Palestinians as less than human and taking pleasure in tormenting, murdering and humiliating them- while stealing their lands and property

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states

    foisting wars

    looting the treasury (oops, I forgot to mention that one! ; )

    anyways, it isn't Jews per se, it's just some of them. And they'd get no where were it not for so much eager assistance form assorted and corrupt Gentiles.

    But when it comes to the God awful way they treat the Palestinians, it's just worth keeping in mind why it is that they're criticized for it, that's all Marwin. It isn't that boogeyman "anti-Semitism" your people are always on about. That's just a phantom from your collective conscience (as if), always under the bed, looking for innocent Jews to blame for missing towers

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity

    Yeah, poor Germans. If it hadn’t been for the thing about human soap I would have thought the Nazis were all right after all. (Never mind that the Nazis did experiment with making soap from corpses. There was testimony from Nazis and British POWs at Nuremberg on the subject.)

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states

    Yeah, only evil JOOS could use money to corrupt politics in the US. Seriously, this is an argument? I’m laughing at how stupid this is.

    Again, when you believe insanely moronic conspiracies, you reduce the chance that people will listen to valid concerns about the Palestine situation. In fact, I doubt you even care about Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS. Your obvious lies are kind of a giveaway.

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    Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS.
     
    why would I do that?

    I've been writing on this blog for a spell now, and I hope my efforts have shown me to be a reasonable person.

    Why would I so irrationally, be filled with so much rancor for an innocent and inoffensive people? - out of sheer insanity?

    what do you suppose would make an otherwise reasonable person say things like 'there were no lampshades made of Jewish skin by evil Nazis', that this and other blood libels have been used to demonize the German people for generations unfairly.

    Why would I say that? Unless it was true?

    Do you suppose people say such things, like 'it's wrong for the Israelis to treat the Palestinians the way they do', do so out of some crazed, hysterical and completely irrational hatred of Jews? Really?

    Are people who criticize things like Operation Cast Lead, just expressing their own pure, irrational hate of an innocent people, perhaps out of envy? Is that it? Do I say things you don't like about some of the things some Jews do because secretly I envy them and wish I were one of them perhaps? And because I'm not, I'm just full of hate and envy?

    I'm asking sincerely. What do you suppose is motivating me (and others) to say such outrageously "anti-Semitic" things? It is just that I'm an evil person, do you suppose?
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  114. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    Most likely not.

    You can’t even endorse that wholeheartedly??

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  115. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Linh Dinh
    It is telling that your only aim is to defend Israel, and this you've shown consistently on many other threads at Unz Review. You don't care about any subject, problem or country, just Israel. You're willing to distort any fact or situation, in defense of Israel.

    Well said!

    And then Marwan goes and proves your point.

    The problem with Jews is that as you say Jews could care less about what happens to their fellow man. Even when Jews seem to care like with black people, Jews only care because there is something in it for them. Undermining the goyim.

    Meanwhile, Jews spend all their time trying to convince the rest of the world we should fell sorry for the Jews. Holocost, holocost, holocost. They even invented a special word for descrimination against the Jews antisemite.

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  116. Rurik says:

    “We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite””

    No, no. You are an anti-Semite

    : )

    you engage in stupid holocaust denial conspiracies

    are you saying that the stories of human skin lampshades and soap made of human fat are true?

    and if they’re false, are we to believe that ONLY those two stories were false but all the rest of it is absolutely, infallibly the god’s honest truth!!! ?

    BTW, of course I know the Holocaust happened, just as America rounded up the Japanese and held them in internment camps during the war. Or like Eisenhower instituted death camps for German POW after the war was over. There were wrongs and atrocities to go around. But the cartoon-like narrative of the German Nazis as evil incarnate and the allies, (especially the Americans) as saints and heroes, is absurd and, quite frankly, idiotic.

    Just an amazing amount of hate and stupidity from you in that post.

    right back at ya buddy ; )

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    are you saying that the stories of human skin lampshades and soap made of human fat are true?
     
    The lampshade stories are probably untrue. There is a great deal of evidence that Nazi's experimented with making soap from corpses, though not on an industrial scale.

    and if they’re false, are we to believe that ONLY those two stories were false but all the rest of it is absolutely, infallibly the god’s honest truth!!! ?
     
    No, sorry. The fact that the lampshade story is apocryphal doesn't mean that the mountains of evidence about the Holocaust are false.

    Or like Eisenhower instituted death camps for German POW after the war was over.
     
    Unsurprising that you would fall for this conspiracy theory, invented by a Canadian novelist in 1989 and completely discredited.
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  117. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    “as you say Jews could care less about what happens to their fellow man”

    I never said this. Ron Unz is Jewish and cares about justice for all people. Many Jewish people care. Those like Marwan are obsessed about defending Israel, but some of the harshest critics of Israel are also Jewish. Take Gilad Atzmon, for one, or take a look at this photo, which I took last March in Washington DC:

    http://linhdinhphotos.blogspot.com/2015/03/protest-against-bibi-outside-convention.html

    Netanyahu was giving a speech to AIPAC inside the convention center.

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    Right on Mr. Dinh.

    I think there are Jews on literally both sides on any given subject. You'll have Jews clamoring for torturing detainees at Guantanamo and you'll have Jewish lawyers representing them, pro-bono. Just as one example.

    Finkelstein, Chomsky, etc.

    Seems to me that the wrong Jews have the disproportionate power in society. But is that even a slight on them? It seems all the wrong people of all sorts have the disproportionate power in society.

    May God grant you a long life.
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  118. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    Lying about some of the details of the Holocaust as a blood libel against the German people (in particular) for perpetuity
     
    Yeah, poor Germans. If it hadn't been for the thing about human soap I would have thought the Nazis were all right after all. (Never mind that the Nazis did experiment with making soap from corpses. There was testimony from Nazis and British POWs at Nuremberg on the subject.)

    using money to corrupt our politics here in the states
     
    Yeah, only evil JOOS could use money to corrupt politics in the US. Seriously, this is an argument? I'm laughing at how stupid this is.

    Again, when you believe insanely moronic conspiracies, you reduce the chance that people will listen to valid concerns about the Palestine situation. In fact, I doubt you even care about Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS. Your obvious lies are kind of a giveaway.

    Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS.

    why would I do that?

    I’ve been writing on this blog for a spell now, and I hope my efforts have shown me to be a reasonable person.

    Why would I so irrationally, be filled with so much rancor for an innocent and inoffensive people? – out of sheer insanity?

    what do you suppose would make an otherwise reasonable person say things like ‘there were no lampshades made of Jewish skin by evil Nazis’, that this and other blood libels have been used to demonize the German people for generations unfairly.

    Why would I say that? Unless it was true?

    Do you suppose people say such things, like ‘it’s wrong for the Israelis to treat the Palestinians the way they do’, do so out of some crazed, hysterical and completely irrational hatred of Jews? Really?

    Are people who criticize things like Operation Cast Lead, just expressing their own pure, irrational hate of an innocent people, perhaps out of envy? Is that it? Do I say things you don’t like about some of the things some Jews do because secretly I envy them and wish I were one of them perhaps? And because I’m not, I’m just full of hate and envy?

    I’m asking sincerely. What do you suppose is motivating me (and others) to say such outrageously “anti-Semitic” things? It is just that I’m an evil person, do you suppose?

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    What do you suppose is motivating me (and others) to say such outrageously “anti-Semitic” things? It is just that I’m an evil person, do you suppose?
     
    I have no idea. There are a million possible explanations--from delusion to being a fan of Jewish extermination I have no interest in pinning down the reasons since you are either unaware of them or you will actively attempt to hide them.

    You seem to be genuinely unaware that comparing "lying about some of the details" of the Holocaust to a "blood libel" against Germans is ludicrous on its face. Like the lampshade (which appears to be an innocent mistake) is what really made the Nazi's evil? Not the systematic killing, torturing, medical experimentation and skinning of human beings?
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  119. annamaria says:

    There are perhaps millions of human beings that have been cursing the power-hungry US politicians:
    “Clinton’s State Department email exchanges revealed that her aides saw the Libyan war as a chance to pronounce a “Clinton doctrine,” bragging about how Clinton’s clever use of “smart power” could get rid of demonized foreign leaders like Gaddafi. But the Clinton team was thwarted when President Obama seized the spotlight when Gaddafi’s government fell. But Clinton didn’t miss a second chance to take credit on Oct. 20, 2011, after militants captured Gaddafi, sodomized him with a knife and then murdered him. Appearing on a TV interview, Clinton celebrated Gaddafi’s demise with the quip, “we came; we saw; he died.” However, with Gaddafi and his largely secular regime out of the way, Islamic militants expanded their power over the country. Some were terrorists, just as Gaddafi had warned.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/01/cleaning-up-hillarys-libyan-mess/

    And what the so-called “smart power” (should we actually call it “imbecile power?”) has achieved by destroying the formerly prosperous Libya?: “Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans… Unlike many other Arab nations, women in Gaddafi’s Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740

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  120. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Rurik, trust me man, don't bite the bait with some people.

    Just let it go - not worth the time, you have way better things to do and you know it. Just some sincere advice...

    May God grant us wisdom in our discourses.

    Just let it go – not worth the time,

    reading what he wrote in his post 105, was worth all the time

    you get a peek inside their id (‘or course we lied about the Holocaust, why wouldn’t we’)

    I love it when shit like that happens ; )

    May God grant us wisdom in our discourses.

    yes indeed Talha

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  121. Talha says:
    @Linh Dinh
    "as you say Jews could care less about what happens to their fellow man"

    I never said this. Ron Unz is Jewish and cares about justice for all people. Many Jewish people care. Those like Marwan are obsessed about defending Israel, but some of the harshest critics of Israel are also Jewish. Take Gilad Atzmon, for one, or take a look at this photo, which I took last March in Washington DC:

    http://linhdinhphotos.blogspot.com/2015/03/protest-against-bibi-outside-convention.html

    Netanyahu was giving a speech to AIPAC inside the convention center.

    Right on Mr. Dinh.

    I think there are Jews on literally both sides on any given subject. You’ll have Jews clamoring for torturing detainees at Guantanamo and you’ll have Jewish lawyers representing them, pro-bono. Just as one example.

    Finkelstein, Chomsky, etc.

    Seems to me that the wrong Jews have the disproportionate power in society. But is that even a slight on them? It seems all the wrong people of all sorts have the disproportionate power in society.

    May God grant you a long life.

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  122. Sean says:
    @anonymous
    Mr. Dinh,

    Good luck trying to communicate, at least in English, with this person. Cf., my attempts to do so in comments to Ms. Mercer's most recent Trump article.

    I said “Ilana has been prescient about Trump’s appeal, you haven’t and can’t understand how he has been so successful. What’s to defend?”, and hereyou replied “Here? You can start with the broadbrushing of Islam that evades any address of Saud.

    Many other questions have also been brushed aside, with Donald Trump going only as far as implying that Saudi Arabia may be behind this tragedy. Why Saudi Arabia, but not Israel?

    I note that Trump (who you dislike) is the one blaming Saud. Turns out Ilana has been writing about the one candidate who is blaming Saud and to the astonishment of everyone except her may become president. But she can’t win with you, I suspect nobody ever does with an anonymous enthusiasm-killer. However, you would be better to pay attention to what Trump actually says, and then contradict whatever it might be. By trying to develop your own ideas, which were similar to Trump’s, you’ve shown yourself to be a curmudgeon.

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  123. Sean says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Do go back and read what I wrote. Like millions of other Americans, I don't know what happened on 9/11, and that's why I'm asking questions.

    Many other questions have also been brushed aside, with Donald Trump going only as far as implying that Saudi Arabia may be behind this tragedy. Why Saudi Arabia, but not Israel?

    Israeli Jews are not ten feet tall you know, they know their limitations. Iraq was not remotely enough of a threat to Israel for them even to consider something as risky and difficult as a false flag 9/11.

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  124. Boris says:
    @5371
    You can't even endorse that wholeheartedly??

    How could I? I don’t know what’s in the missing pages.

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  125. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    Palestinians at all and are just using them as another kludge to complain about the JOOS.
     
    why would I do that?

    I've been writing on this blog for a spell now, and I hope my efforts have shown me to be a reasonable person.

    Why would I so irrationally, be filled with so much rancor for an innocent and inoffensive people? - out of sheer insanity?

    what do you suppose would make an otherwise reasonable person say things like 'there were no lampshades made of Jewish skin by evil Nazis', that this and other blood libels have been used to demonize the German people for generations unfairly.

    Why would I say that? Unless it was true?

    Do you suppose people say such things, like 'it's wrong for the Israelis to treat the Palestinians the way they do', do so out of some crazed, hysterical and completely irrational hatred of Jews? Really?

    Are people who criticize things like Operation Cast Lead, just expressing their own pure, irrational hate of an innocent people, perhaps out of envy? Is that it? Do I say things you don't like about some of the things some Jews do because secretly I envy them and wish I were one of them perhaps? And because I'm not, I'm just full of hate and envy?

    I'm asking sincerely. What do you suppose is motivating me (and others) to say such outrageously "anti-Semitic" things? It is just that I'm an evil person, do you suppose?

    What do you suppose is motivating me (and others) to say such outrageously “anti-Semitic” things? It is just that I’m an evil person, do you suppose?

    I have no idea. There are a million possible explanations–from delusion to being a fan of Jewish extermination I have no interest in pinning down the reasons since you are either unaware of them or you will actively attempt to hide them.

    You seem to be genuinely unaware that comparing “lying about some of the details” of the Holocaust to a “blood libel” against Germans is ludicrous on its face. Like the lampshade (which appears to be an innocent mistake) is what really made the Nazi’s evil? Not the systematic killing, torturing, medical experimentation and skinning of human beings?

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  126. Boris says:
    @Rurik


    “We no longer genuflect to the scourge of “anti-Semite””
     
    No, no. You are an anti-Semite
     
    : )

    you engage in stupid holocaust denial conspiracies
     
    are you saying that the stories of human skin lampshades and soap made of human fat are true?

    and if they're false, are we to believe that ONLY those two stories were false but all the rest of it is absolutely, infallibly the god's honest truth!!! ?

    BTW, of course I know the Holocaust happened, just as America rounded up the Japanese and held them in internment camps during the war. Or like Eisenhower instituted death camps for German POW after the war was over. There were wrongs and atrocities to go around. But the cartoon-like narrative of the German Nazis as evil incarnate and the allies, (especially the Americans) as saints and heroes, is absurd and, quite frankly, idiotic.

    Just an amazing amount of hate and stupidity from you in that post.
     
    right back at ya buddy ; )

    are you saying that the stories of human skin lampshades and soap made of human fat are true?

    The lampshade stories are probably untrue. There is a great deal of evidence that Nazi’s experimented with making soap from corpses, though not on an industrial scale.

    and if they’re false, are we to believe that ONLY those two stories were false but all the rest of it is absolutely, infallibly the god’s honest truth!!! ?

    No, sorry. The fact that the lampshade story is apocryphal doesn’t mean that the mountains of evidence about the Holocaust are false.

    Or like Eisenhower instituted death camps for German POW after the war was over.

    Unsurprising that you would fall for this conspiracy theory, invented by a Canadian novelist in 1989 and completely discredited.

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  127. Rurik says:

    skinning of human beings?

    but that’s all part of the blood libel

    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?

    by filling our little heads when we were children with all these tales of unimaginable horrors when we were all impressionable, they systematically and carefully created the imprint that Germans were evil, when in fact their crimes were no worse than the crimes of their enemies. Even less so if you want to count sheer cruelty for cruelty’s sake, like starving millions of Kulaks to death slowly and excruciatingly, or burning hundreds of thousands of people alive in cities like Dresden.

    I don’t approve of any acts of cruelty to man or beast. I find all such sadism to be morally iniquitous, no matter if it is perpetrated against a Jew, a German or a Palestinian. It’s just that simple. And I do not like the attempt to justify the evils that men perpetrate on other men by suggesting that some of them (Jews or Germans) are congenitally evil, or (Palestinians) congenitally “terrorists”.

    I guess it is basically that simple.

    But when I try to point out that Germans and Palestinians are not as we’ve been told they are, I’m met with howls of anti-Semite!!!

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    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?
     
    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald--that's where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?

    But when I try to point out that Germans...
     
    Anyone who believes that Germans or Palestinians are worse than anyone else is simply wrong. The German people faced what the Nazis had done in an unflinching way and should be much commended. But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people. The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.
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  128. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    In my “Devouring Jackals,” I point out that Kafka saw Zionists as jackals:

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/devouring-jackals/

    Tired of this impossible life, Kafka dreamt of emigrating to Palestine and even learnt Hebrew well enough to read an entire novel, but he would die 24 years before Israel was created. Though Kafka never lived to see the violence that hasten, accompany then follow that country’s founding, he knew full well that such a large influx of Jews onto Arab land would be problematic, to say the least. It would exacerbate “a very old quarrel,” and not just any conflict but one “that divides the world.” Lamenting his fate of being “exiled” among Arabs, the head jackal suggests a definitive solution, “So we shall draw blood from them and the quarrel will be over!”

    Among the anthropomorphic animals in Kafka’s universe, none is as repulsive as these chatting jackals. They even emit a rank smell that the narrator must grit his teeth to endure. Kafka even has them devouring a camel carcass, which is particularly ironic in light of their insistence on cleanliness. In Orthodox Judaism, the camel is deemed a foul beast, of course. Allowed to feast on a dead camel by Arabs, these jackals immediately forget their hatred of Arabs and don’t even mind being lashed by Arabs as they eat. Whipped, “they lifted their heads, half swooning in ecstasy.”

    Earlier in the story, Kafka prefigures this collective devouring by having two young jackals bite the narrator, a European visiting Palestine, through his coat and shirt. When the narrator protests, the oldest jackal explains that they will let go, “if that is your wish. But it will take a little time, for they have got their teeth well in, as is our custom, and must loosen their jaws bit by bit.” Also, “we are poor creatures, we have nothing but our teeth; whatever we want to do, good or bad, we can tackle it only with our teeth.” In a letter to his beloved Milena, Kafka also wrote, “Their insecure position, insecure within themselves, insecure among people, would above all explain why Jews believe they possess only whatever they hold in their hands or grip between their teeth.” Jewish grasping, an anti-Semitic trope, for sure, is here depicted not as greed but pathetic physical acts born of anxiety, and the jackals are also pitiful, if blood thirsty.

    They finally beseech the European to slit Arab throats with a rusty pair of sewing scissors, but the head Arab laughs this off as the “lunatic hopes” of “fools, utter fools.” He dismisses these jackals as dogs of no consequence. In real life, however, his deadly enemy is sophisticatedly armed and well funded by the world’s most powerful empire. From 1948 until now, America has consistently backed diasporic Jews and their descendants as they massacred Palestinians and expanded their conquest of this foreign land. In the American press, Arabs are often painted as deranged terrorists, while their Jewish conquerors are extolled as standard bearers of democracy and civilization. Israel is a beachhead for Western values or even a first domino against jihad. Writing in National Review, Andrew C. McCarthy calls it “the canary in the West’s coal mine.” But relative civilization aside, shouldn’t one back natives against invaders in any war, since a home invasion is always wrong, no?

    “Unpopulated land for a landless people,” went a Zionist slogan. According to the myth, Israel has been built from nothing, or raised “from the sand,” as recently phrased by a CNN lackey. In fact, Palestine was already substantially urbanized by the time of Balfour. Less than 11% of its people were Jews, with most having arrived only in the previous four decades. By Israel’s founding, 32% would be Jews. Now, it is roughly 57%.

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  129. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    skinning of human beings?
     
    but that's all part of the blood libel

    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?

    by filling our little heads when we were children with all these tales of unimaginable horrors when we were all impressionable, they systematically and carefully created the imprint that Germans were evil, when in fact their crimes were no worse than the crimes of their enemies. Even less so if you want to count sheer cruelty for cruelty's sake, like starving millions of Kulaks to death slowly and excruciatingly, or burning hundreds of thousands of people alive in cities like Dresden.

    I don't approve of any acts of cruelty to man or beast. I find all such sadism to be morally iniquitous, no matter if it is perpetrated against a Jew, a German or a Palestinian. It's just that simple. And I do not like the attempt to justify the evils that men perpetrate on other men by suggesting that some of them (Jews or Germans) are congenitally evil, or (Palestinians) congenitally "terrorists".

    I guess it is basically that simple.

    But when I try to point out that Germans and Palestinians are not as we've been told they are, I'm met with howls of anti-Semite!!!

    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?

    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald–that’s where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?

    But when I try to point out that Germans…

    Anyone who believes that Germans or Palestinians are worse than anyone else is simply wrong. The German people faced what the Nazis had done in an unflinching way and should be much commended. But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people. The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.

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    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald–that’s where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?
     
    the skin you're talking about has been proven to have been goat skin, and the shrunken head has become an object of hysterical, ROTFLMAO

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLiwSHNt6i4/UT_ymdsJ_YI/AAAAAAAAAic/sx7-L2SFgfw/s1600/549980_213078278833810_1504703175_n.jpg

    ridicule for the absurdities that were brought to the fore as "evidence" of so-called Nazi atrocities. IOW, the Nazis didn't sew Jewish people's hands onto ankles and take Jew's feet and sew them onto their hands. They didn't kill Jews with "bears and eagles", they didn't toss babies from the backs of lories into bonfires and "geysers of blood", and they didn't perfect the process of shrinking Jewish people's heads. Those were all lies and blood libels Boris. And one only wonders where the lies end and the truth begins, because of the sheer avalanche of lies upon lies. -

    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/antiprop/jewish_soap/soap.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Hs6EeAQMBY/VDTVnChMqZI/AAAAAAAADTU/3w4a9kJnOEM/s1600/Holohoax%2Bbrainwashing.gif

    but the Holocaust did absolutely happen, that is obvious. But the narrative, the paradigm that been hardwired into us all, is to automatically, Pavlovian-like, kneejerk turn any question or doubt about any particular event of the Holocaust, (like the shrunken head) and automatically, like a mathematical equation, state that the person (denier) who has a doubt, is automatically suggesting that the WHOLE THIING IS A HOAX, and that NONE of it happened, thereby making anyone with any doubt seem like a crazed looney.

    That's how it works. And it's very simple to program people to have these mindless, kneejerk responses.

    Doubt about the holy six million number?! = psycho anti-Semite who says none of it ever happened (and no doubt wishes it would!)

    ; )
    , @Rurik

    But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people.
     
    except insofar as the Holocaust has been used as a blood libel to bludgeon the German people with "guilt" for perpetuity. (and extort lucre and weapons that ironically, actually DO make Germans complicit in a genocide- against the Palestinians).


    "The Shoah fills us Germans with shame. I bow before the victims. I bow before the survivors ..."

    Germany has paid $39.4 billion to Holocaust survivors in Israel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23693305/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/israel-german-leader-cites-holocaust-shame/#.VwANWJXmrcs

    Merkel commemorates Auschwitz and expresses eternal and "perpetual" German shame

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5u_xbZF3Yw

    I wonder if a German leader since WWII has ever expressed sympathy for the Germans (and many, many others) who died so horribly during the allied war crime at Dresden. Rather, I suspect that they- like all those who died during the Holodomor- were insignificant, meaningless deaths of worthless goyim who basically had it coming.


    The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.
     
    tell that to the Palestinians
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  130. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    How could I? I don't know what's in the missing pages.

    So much for your willingness to follow the rules, face the truth and accept the same standards you impose on everybody else.

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    What are you talking about?

    You asked:

    What of the suppressed pages of the official commission’s report? Should they continue to be secret?
     
    I said "Most likely not." How is that an unreasonable position? The argument for not releasing them is that the release would harm the US in some way--either national security or straining relationships with allies. I think that is most likely a BS explanation based on many things that have been labeled as "secrets" by the government in the past. My suspicion is that there is something embarrassing to the US government in those pages.

    But my suspicion could be wrong. There could be something genuinely damaging in the suppressed pages too.
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  131. Boris says:
    @5371
    So much for your willingness to follow the rules, face the truth and accept the same standards you impose on everybody else.

    What are you talking about?

    You asked:

    What of the suppressed pages of the official commission’s report? Should they continue to be secret?

    I said “Most likely not.” How is that an unreasonable position? The argument for not releasing them is that the release would harm the US in some way–either national security or straining relationships with allies. I think that is most likely a BS explanation based on many things that have been labeled as “secrets” by the government in the past. My suspicion is that there is something embarrassing to the US government in those pages.

    But my suspicion could be wrong. There could be something genuinely damaging in the suppressed pages too.

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    Well, you should be able to see now why it's reasonable to believe that people like you might be involved in perpetrating 9/11 in the first place. Between that and allowing those who certainly did it to escape scot free because there might be "something genuinely damaging" (to whom?) in the truth, there isn't a vast gulf.
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  132. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    What are you talking about?

    You asked:

    What of the suppressed pages of the official commission’s report? Should they continue to be secret?
     
    I said "Most likely not." How is that an unreasonable position? The argument for not releasing them is that the release would harm the US in some way--either national security or straining relationships with allies. I think that is most likely a BS explanation based on many things that have been labeled as "secrets" by the government in the past. My suspicion is that there is something embarrassing to the US government in those pages.

    But my suspicion could be wrong. There could be something genuinely damaging in the suppressed pages too.

    Well, you should be able to see now why it’s reasonable to believe that people like you might be involved in perpetrating 9/11 in the first place. Between that and allowing those who certainly did it to escape scot free because there might be “something genuinely damaging” (to whom?) in the truth, there isn’t a vast gulf.

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    You are just assuming that your conspiracy theory is true. Try thinking.
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  133. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?
     
    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald--that's where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?

    But when I try to point out that Germans...
     
    Anyone who believes that Germans or Palestinians are worse than anyone else is simply wrong. The German people faced what the Nazis had done in an unflinching way and should be much commended. But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people. The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.

    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald–that’s where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?

    the skin you’re talking about has been proven to have been goat skin, and the shrunken head has become an object of hysterical, ROTFLMAO

    ridicule for the absurdities that were brought to the fore as “evidence” of so-called Nazi atrocities. IOW, the Nazis didn’t sew Jewish people’s hands onto ankles and take Jew’s feet and sew them onto their hands. They didn’t kill Jews with “bears and eagles”, they didn’t toss babies from the backs of lories into bonfires and “geysers of blood”, and they didn’t perfect the process of shrinking Jewish people’s heads. Those were all lies and blood libels Boris. And one only wonders where the lies end and the truth begins, because of the sheer avalanche of lies upon lies. –

    but the Holocaust did absolutely happen, that is obvious. But the narrative, the paradigm that been hardwired into us all, is to automatically, Pavlovian-like, kneejerk turn any question or doubt about any particular event of the Holocaust, (like the shrunken head) and automatically, like a mathematical equation, state that the person (denier) who has a doubt, is automatically suggesting that the WHOLE THIING IS A HOAX, and that NONE of it happened, thereby making anyone with any doubt seem like a crazed looney.

    That’s how it works. And it’s very simple to program people to have these mindless, kneejerk responses.

    Doubt about the holy six million number?! = psycho anti-Semite who says none of it ever happened (and no doubt wishes it would!)

    ; )

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    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLiwSHNt6i4/UT_ymdsJ_YI/AAAAAAAAAic/sx7-L2SFgfw/s1600/549980_213078278833810_1504703175_n.jpg
     
    I thought you were going to link to actual evidence for a second.

    but the Holocaust did absolutely happen,
     
    This is the telling part. The Holocaust happened, but you are mad about LAMPSHADE stories making Germans look bad? "Sure, the German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people, including women and children, BUT THEY NEVER MADE LAMPSHADES!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    I just can't take you seriously.
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  134. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    it never happened. Where is there any valid account of a Nazi ever skinning a human being?
     
    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald--that's where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?

    But when I try to point out that Germans...
     
    Anyone who believes that Germans or Palestinians are worse than anyone else is simply wrong. The German people faced what the Nazis had done in an unflinching way and should be much commended. But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people. The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.

    But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people.

    except insofar as the Holocaust has been used as a blood libel to bludgeon the German people with “guilt” for perpetuity. (and extort lucre and weapons that ironically, actually DO make Germans complicit in a genocide- against the Palestinians).

    “The Shoah fills us Germans with shame. I bow before the victims. I bow before the survivors …”

    Germany has paid $39.4 billion to Holocaust survivors in Israel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23693305/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/israel-german-leader-cites-holocaust-shame/#.VwANWJXmrcs

    Merkel commemorates Auschwitz and expresses eternal and “perpetual” German shame

    I wonder if a German leader since WWII has ever expressed sympathy for the Germans (and many, many others) who died so horribly during the allied war crime at Dresden. Rather, I suspect that they- like all those who died during the Holodomor- were insignificant, meaningless deaths of worthless goyim who basically had it coming.

    The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.

    tell that to the Palestinians

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    Commemorates Auschwitz
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  135. @Rurik

    But arguing that Jews have lied and exaggerated the holocaust does nothing to redeem the German people.
     
    except insofar as the Holocaust has been used as a blood libel to bludgeon the German people with "guilt" for perpetuity. (and extort lucre and weapons that ironically, actually DO make Germans complicit in a genocide- against the Palestinians).


    "The Shoah fills us Germans with shame. I bow before the victims. I bow before the survivors ..."

    Germany has paid $39.4 billion to Holocaust survivors in Israel.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23693305/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/israel-german-leader-cites-holocaust-shame/#.VwANWJXmrcs

    Merkel commemorates Auschwitz and expresses eternal and "perpetual" German shame

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5u_xbZF3Yw

    I wonder if a German leader since WWII has ever expressed sympathy for the Germans (and many, many others) who died so horribly during the allied war crime at Dresden. Rather, I suspect that they- like all those who died during the Holodomor- were insignificant, meaningless deaths of worthless goyim who basically had it coming.


    The Nazis set out to exterminate the Jewish people; human-skin lampshades are nothing compared to that.
     
    tell that to the Palestinians

    Commemorates Auschwitz

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  136. tbraton says:
    @Rurik

    was indonesia created in 1945 so they could invade and occupy papua in 1963
     
    if you say so. I know nothing about it. But what I do know about is what is known (to virtually every single person on the planet sans some Amazonian tribes, and I'm not even sure about them) is the Holocaust.

    You see all peoples in the world have been relentlessly, and remorselessly, and humorlessly, and incessantly beat over the head, day by day, week after week, year by year, and decade by decade, and generation after generation, with movies and books and documentaries and whole chapters in world history books, and newsreels and speeches and lectures and newspaper articles and a thousand stern looks from schoolmarms and our Jewish and other liberal college professors, at how the most evil thing that has ever, ever been done in the entire history of the world, bar none, was done when the evil German Nazis put six million Jews into gas chambers and ovens and then scooped up their fat from the oven floors that had spilled out of the ovens from so many Jews being thusly dispatched, and they used all this Jewish fat to turn into soap for the Jews and Germans to wash themselves with, and the horrors were unimaginable, and then they examined the Jews for nice tattoos that would make interesting lamp shades once the Jews were skinned, and then the beyond barbaric Germans would fashion these Jewish skins into lampshades that they used in their parlors for other Germans to admire.

    This is the narrative that I and every other single person in the known world have been marinated in and had beaten into our minds and souls with guilt for what we Gentiles have done to the Jews!

    Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two.

    And we also find out that others were genocided, like the Kulaks, but since they were Gentiles genocided by the Jewish led NKVD, they don't matter, and we've never heard a peep about them, or the other victims of the Nazis. It's only the Jews as victims and the Gentiles as villains, relentlessly, incessantly and sanctimoniously. Until I guess you could say we've had enough.

    We no longer genuflect to the scourge of "anti-Semite" when someone points out the daily atrocities visited upon the Palestinians.

    You see it's all sort of tied together, all the hysterical guilt tripping they put us through, only to behave like the very worst of these terrible Nazis we were all brow-beaten with daily to hate. And feel guilty about.

    At least that's kind of how I see it.

    If we white Americans have any blood on our hands, or anything to feel guilty about, it would be for what was done to the American Indian. But instead we have a gigantic Holocaust museum in our nations capital square, as if we did some terrible crime to the poor, persecuted Jews, (who today shoot children for target practice, and murder teenagers to harvest their organs for Jewish patients, who humiliate young girls sexually and rob old women of their precious dignity for the crime of their particular genetic identity. They shoot young men in the foot while being held in custody, they torture boys and young men for no other reason than because they might know something about some relative or friend who might want to resist the cruel and eternal occupation. They shoot children walking down the street. They ethnically cleanse entire neighborhoods and send desperately poor people walking out into the ruble with no place to go. They create shrines to men who slaughter women and children at places of worship.

    My God, I can just keep going on and on. But these same people who do this, and act as apologists for this monstrous genocide, have the unbelievable nads to turn around out of the other side of their face and self-righteously condemn us for what "we" did to "them".

    It's just beyond arrogance of chutzpah or what ever you want to call it. It is, as I said, like a thug kicking the shit out of a helpless person while shouting 'stop kicking me!'

    So I hope in some small way I'm getting through as to why the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians, (that we're forced to pay for and support through our corrupt government) is more vexing to us all than other atrocities elsewhere in remote parts of the world by people we know nothing about.

    Also, those conflicts are not ground zero for WWIII, whereas the psychos in Israel, because of their Jewish money/media iron grip on our corrupt government- and hence our military, is. ; )

    There;s more too, the people in Papua, New Guinea didn't perpetrate 911 and slaughter three thousand American souls, as a pretext to get America to fight Israel's wars for them. (treacherous cowards that they are)

    “Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two. ”

    The reduction was not a mere “million or two,” Rurik, but closer to 3 million. You can find that revision cited in two famous Holocaust denial publications, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    According to the New York Times in January 1995:

    “Historians now place the number of those killed by the Nazis between 1.1 million and 1.5 million, of whom about 90 percent were Jews. But, according to Dr. Berenbaum, immediately after the war, Poland’s Communist rulers were inclined to believe a Russian estimate that 4 million people had died at Auschwitz, half of them Poles. Although that figure has since been debunked by Polish historians, public consciousness has not caught up; many Poles still view Auschwitz as a place of national martyrdom, he said.” http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/29/weekinreview/ideas-trends-whose-memory-lives-when-the-last-survivor-dies.html

    From a summary of the Washington Post article of January 26, 1995 (there is a pay wall):

    “AN ACCOUNTING AT AUSCHWITZ; 50 Years After Liberation, a Final Toll on Atrocity
    [FINAL Edition]

    The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) – Washington, D.C.
    Author: Waxman, Sharon
    Date: Jan 26, 1995
    Start Page: C.01
    Section: STYLE

    Franciszek Piper has known for years how many people died at the concentration camp called Auschwitz. For nine years, to be exact.

    It was not until 1991, after the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel published Piper’s findings, that the museum publicly adopted the change, removing a sign reading “4 Million” at Auschwitz II, called Birkenau, site of the main gas chambers and crematoriums. (The West had never accepted the Polish figure.) And it is only now, 40 years since the creation of the permanent exhibit, that the museum is preparing another that clearly and accurately states the identities of the victims — 1 million Jews killed because they were Jews; 23,000 Gypsies murdered because they were Gypsies; about 75,000 Poles killed — some tortured, some worked to death — because of their resistance to fascism.

    History has arrived at Auschwitz. Fifty years after the liberation of the camp by Soviet soldiers — an anniversary to be marked tomorrow with an international ceremony — the historians who have toiled here for decades, their work spurned by the West as tainted and rejected by Polish authorities as politically unacceptable, have come to daylight. Old museum guidebooks have been thrown away, and a flurry of new accounts are being published. Curators have begun installing commemorative markers for the first time in Birkenau, and at last the vast archives of the camp are being mined for information about the victims, their resistance, the collaboration of civilian industries and the sinister process that came to be known as the Final Solution.” http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/doc/307805353.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jan+26%2C+1995&author=Waxman%2C+Sharon&desc=AN+ACCOUNTING+AT+AUSCHWITZ%3B+50+Years+After+Liberation%2C+a+Final+Toll+on+Atrocity

    Despite the downward revision in the death toll at Auschwitz of 3 million, the iconic figure of 6 million Jews killed by Hitler didn’t even budge, but remained fixed at the number that was tossed out by Soviet Communists soon after their armies invaded Poland near the end of WWII, probably because we know deep down that Soviet Communists would never lie about anything, especially when it concerned their mortal enemies, the Germans.

    With respect to the lampshade nonsense, there is a footnote (p. 774) in John Toland’s magisterial biography “Adolph Hitler” in which he tells of the experiences of SS Judge Morgen who was assigned the task in late 1943 of investigating the goings on at Buchenwald and attempted to bring his findings to the attention of higher-ups, but was rebuffed. According to the footnote: “Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven. After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied that , while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly innocent of this charge. After personally investigating the matter, he had thrown it out of his own case. Even so, the American insisted that Morgen sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had made the lampshades. Anyone undaunted by Nazi threats was not likely to submit to those of a representative of the democracies. His refusal to lie was a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death. Morgen’s second and third refusals were followed by severe beatings. Though he detested Frau Koch, nothing could induce him to bear false witness. Fortunately, Morgen survived and is presently practicing law in West Germany.” [Toland's book was published in 1976.]

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    For a revealing compilation of all the estimates of the dead at Auschwitz over the years, from 9 million in 1945 to as low as 135,000 years later, see http://www.rense.com/general69/dim.htm
    Here is what the link says about one of estimates, which led to the change in the officially accepted number:

    1,100,000 to 1,500,000

    Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp.

     

    I should also point out that the revised official figure referred to in my message, around 1 million revised downward from 4 million in the 1990's, apparently lacks any evidence to substantiate it, which explains why lower figures have been put forward.

    I want to make it clear that I do not consider myself a "Holocaust denier." I think terrible things happened to the Jews during WWII, just not in the numbers bandied about, especially that iconic "6 million" figure which is apparently ingrained in the mind of every American child, who is unable to tell you how many Americans lost their lives fighting during WWII or what the number of total deaths worldwide is for WWII. When it is estimated that 50 to 70 million people worldwide lost their lives during WWII, even 6 million does not seem like a substantial portion to be so singled out for commemoration. That may explain why there is so much resistance to lowering the number. Several years ago I read where some scholars have revised the number of deaths suffered during the American Civil War from the traditional number I learned in high school, 600,000, to as much as 750,000, which is a substantial upward revision. I have cited the newly revised number several times in messages I posted on unz.com and TAC, and I don't recall anybody raising any fuss over the new number. (When I learned the number of deaths suffered in the Civil War, 600,000, in high school, my reaction was to question why our president, Abraham Lincoln, was such a lionized figure. You would think that a really competent politician would have found a way to avoid such massive death among his fellow American citizens.)

    BTW, with regard to my prior message, I omitted some words from the quoted footnote from the Toland biography, even though the omission did not change the meaning of the quoted footnote. For purposes of clarity, the sentence in question should read (with the omitted words in brackets):
    "His refusal to lie was [was followed by] a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death."
    , @Talha
    Dear tbraton,

    Thanks for the references. I must admit (sheepishly) that I have always thought the number fixed at 6 million. I have also made reference to such in my conversations. I will definitely revise that assumption, don't want to spread nonsense.

    May God preserve you and yours.
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  137. Michelle says:
    @iffen
    I was serious. He's not any good at this type of writing. He should stick to his photos and character sketches.

    Just watch the trade centers collapsing from the top down, as opposed to a controlled demolition which collapses from the bottom down. Then see this Oakland overpass collapse, resulting from a fire. A truck burned under the overpass. The steel beams folded out exactly as the Trade Center beams folded out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29cnd-collapse.html

    Steel loses its integrity at high temps. A neighbor of mine, a far, far left lesbian, took a welding class and totally changed her mind about the Trade Center conspiracy theory she had.

    The Naudet brothers’ amazing documentary chronicles the trade center attacks and subsequent collapses in brilliant detail. That Dinh is a conspiracy theorist gives me great leave to doubt his mental capacity. I think I shall stop reading his articles on principle.

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    Just one flaw in your rebuttal, Michelle: Whatever happened in the case of building 7, which was never struck by any airplane? Spontaneous combustion perhaps?
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  138. iffen says:

    That Dinh is a conspiracy theorist gives me great leave to doubt his mental capacity. I think I shall stop reading his articles on principle.

    Yes, he seems to have contracted Jews on the brain disease. I am ambivalent at times about what I read. As a general rule I read everything, not really afraid of contamination.

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  139. tbraton says:
    @tbraton
    "Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two. "

    The reduction was not a mere "million or two," Rurik, but closer to 3 million. You can find that revision cited in two famous Holocaust denial publications, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    According to the New York Times in January 1995:

    "Historians now place the number of those killed by the Nazis between 1.1 million and 1.5 million, of whom about 90 percent were Jews. But, according to Dr. Berenbaum, immediately after the war, Poland's Communist rulers were inclined to believe a Russian estimate that 4 million people had died at Auschwitz, half of them Poles. Although that figure has since been debunked by Polish historians, public consciousness has not caught up; many Poles still view Auschwitz as a place of national martyrdom, he said." http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/29/weekinreview/ideas-trends-whose-memory-lives-when-the-last-survivor-dies.html

    From a summary of the Washington Post article of January 26, 1995 (there is a pay wall):

    "AN ACCOUNTING AT AUSCHWITZ; 50 Years After Liberation, a Final Toll on Atrocity
    [FINAL Edition]

    The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C.
    Author: Waxman, Sharon
    Date: Jan 26, 1995
    Start Page: C.01
    Section: STYLE

    Franciszek Piper has known for years how many people died at the concentration camp called Auschwitz. For nine years, to be exact.

    It was not until 1991, after the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel published Piper's findings, that the museum publicly adopted the change, removing a sign reading "4 Million" at Auschwitz II, called Birkenau, site of the main gas chambers and crematoriums. (The West had never accepted the Polish figure.) And it is only now, 40 years since the creation of the permanent exhibit, that the museum is preparing another that clearly and accurately states the identities of the victims -- 1 million Jews killed because they were Jews; 23,000 Gypsies murdered because they were Gypsies; about 75,000 Poles killed -- some tortured, some worked to death -- because of their resistance to fascism.

    History has arrived at Auschwitz. Fifty years after the liberation of the camp by Soviet soldiers -- an anniversary to be marked tomorrow with an international ceremony -- the historians who have toiled here for decades, their work spurned by the West as tainted and rejected by Polish authorities as politically unacceptable, have come to daylight. Old museum guidebooks have been thrown away, and a flurry of new accounts are being published. Curators have begun installing commemorative markers for the first time in Birkenau, and at last the vast archives of the camp are being mined for information about the victims, their resistance, the collaboration of civilian industries and the sinister process that came to be known as the Final Solution." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/doc/307805353.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jan+26%2C+1995&author=Waxman%2C+Sharon&desc=AN+ACCOUNTING+AT+AUSCHWITZ%3B+50+Years+After+Liberation%2C+a+Final+Toll+on+Atrocity

    Despite the downward revision in the death toll at Auschwitz of 3 million, the iconic figure of 6 million Jews killed by Hitler didn't even budge, but remained fixed at the number that was tossed out by Soviet Communists soon after their armies invaded Poland near the end of WWII, probably because we know deep down that Soviet Communists would never lie about anything, especially when it concerned their mortal enemies, the Germans.

    With respect to the lampshade nonsense, there is a footnote (p. 774) in John Toland's magisterial biography "Adolph Hitler" in which he tells of the experiences of SS Judge Morgen who was assigned the task in late 1943 of investigating the goings on at Buchenwald and attempted to bring his findings to the attention of higher-ups, but was rebuffed. According to the footnote: "Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven. After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied that , while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly innocent of this charge. After personally investigating the matter, he had thrown it out of his own case. Even so, the American insisted that Morgen sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had made the lampshades. Anyone undaunted by Nazi threats was not likely to submit to those of a representative of the democracies. His refusal to lie was a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death. Morgen's second and third refusals were followed by severe beatings. Though he detested Frau Koch, nothing could induce him to bear false witness. Fortunately, Morgen survived and is presently practicing law in West Germany." [Toland's book was published in 1976.]

    For a revealing compilation of all the estimates of the dead at Auschwitz over the years, from 9 million in 1945 to as low as 135,000 years later, see http://www.rense.com/general69/dim.htm
    Here is what the link says about one of estimates, which led to the change in the officially accepted number:

    1,100,000 to 1,500,000

    Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) “official” figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp.

    I should also point out that the revised official figure referred to in my message, around 1 million revised downward from 4 million in the 1990′s, apparently lacks any evidence to substantiate it, which explains why lower figures have been put forward.

    I want to make it clear that I do not consider myself a “Holocaust denier.” I think terrible things happened to the Jews during WWII, just not in the numbers bandied about, especially that iconic “6 million” figure which is apparently ingrained in the mind of every American child, who is unable to tell you how many Americans lost their lives fighting during WWII or what the number of total deaths worldwide is for WWII. When it is estimated that 50 to 70 million people worldwide lost their lives during WWII, even 6 million does not seem like a substantial portion to be so singled out for commemoration. That may explain why there is so much resistance to lowering the number. Several years ago I read where some scholars have revised the number of deaths suffered during the American Civil War from the traditional number I learned in high school, 600,000, to as much as 750,000, which is a substantial upward revision. I have cited the newly revised number several times in messages I posted on unz.com and TAC, and I don’t recall anybody raising any fuss over the new number. (When I learned the number of deaths suffered in the Civil War, 600,000, in high school, my reaction was to question why our president, Abraham Lincoln, was such a lionized figure. You would think that a really competent politician would have found a way to avoid such massive death among his fellow American citizens.)

    BTW, with regard to my prior message, I omitted some words from the quoted footnote from the Toland biography, even though the omission did not change the meaning of the quoted footnote. For purposes of clarity, the sentence in question should read (with the omitted words in brackets):
    “His refusal to lie was [was followed by] a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death.”

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  140. @Michelle
    Just watch the trade centers collapsing from the top down, as opposed to a controlled demolition which collapses from the bottom down. Then see this Oakland overpass collapse, resulting from a fire. A truck burned under the overpass. The steel beams folded out exactly as the Trade Center beams folded out.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29cnd-collapse.html

    Steel loses its integrity at high temps. A neighbor of mine, a far, far left lesbian, took a welding class and totally changed her mind about the Trade Center conspiracy theory she had.

    The Naudet brothers' amazing documentary chronicles the trade center attacks and subsequent collapses in brilliant detail. That Dinh is a conspiracy theorist gives me great leave to doubt his mental capacity. I think I shall stop reading his articles on principle.

    Just one flaw in your rebuttal, Michelle: Whatever happened in the case of building 7, which was never struck by any airplane? Spontaneous combustion perhaps?

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    Oh Jaysus, are you ever grasping at straws, now Seamus.
    , @Michelle
    Oh my gosh, Seamus, whilst my washing my supper dishes, I realized I'd just been had! You were being sarcastic when you mentioned the destruction of the third building on 9/11. Right? My bad! Of course, no one could believe that the Bush administration, CIA, Mossad, Illuminati, etc.., would actually engineer the collapse of both Towers, much less 3 buildings. Such ridiculous overkill. An embarrassment of riches, really. The very idea boggles the mind. When 1 tower would have sufficed. I getcha, wink, wink, nod, nod. More fool me. You got me, due to your superior male intellect, no doubt.
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  141. Talha says:
    @tbraton
    "Only to find out that all the stories of lampshades and human soap was all lies. Then we find out the holy number of six million must have been a lie too, when they reduced the official numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz by a million or two. "

    The reduction was not a mere "million or two," Rurik, but closer to 3 million. You can find that revision cited in two famous Holocaust denial publications, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    According to the New York Times in January 1995:

    "Historians now place the number of those killed by the Nazis between 1.1 million and 1.5 million, of whom about 90 percent were Jews. But, according to Dr. Berenbaum, immediately after the war, Poland's Communist rulers were inclined to believe a Russian estimate that 4 million people had died at Auschwitz, half of them Poles. Although that figure has since been debunked by Polish historians, public consciousness has not caught up; many Poles still view Auschwitz as a place of national martyrdom, he said." http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/29/weekinreview/ideas-trends-whose-memory-lives-when-the-last-survivor-dies.html

    From a summary of the Washington Post article of January 26, 1995 (there is a pay wall):

    "AN ACCOUNTING AT AUSCHWITZ; 50 Years After Liberation, a Final Toll on Atrocity
    [FINAL Edition]

    The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C.
    Author: Waxman, Sharon
    Date: Jan 26, 1995
    Start Page: C.01
    Section: STYLE

    Franciszek Piper has known for years how many people died at the concentration camp called Auschwitz. For nine years, to be exact.

    It was not until 1991, after the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel published Piper's findings, that the museum publicly adopted the change, removing a sign reading "4 Million" at Auschwitz II, called Birkenau, site of the main gas chambers and crematoriums. (The West had never accepted the Polish figure.) And it is only now, 40 years since the creation of the permanent exhibit, that the museum is preparing another that clearly and accurately states the identities of the victims -- 1 million Jews killed because they were Jews; 23,000 Gypsies murdered because they were Gypsies; about 75,000 Poles killed -- some tortured, some worked to death -- because of their resistance to fascism.

    History has arrived at Auschwitz. Fifty years after the liberation of the camp by Soviet soldiers -- an anniversary to be marked tomorrow with an international ceremony -- the historians who have toiled here for decades, their work spurned by the West as tainted and rejected by Polish authorities as politically unacceptable, have come to daylight. Old museum guidebooks have been thrown away, and a flurry of new accounts are being published. Curators have begun installing commemorative markers for the first time in Birkenau, and at last the vast archives of the camp are being mined for information about the victims, their resistance, the collaboration of civilian industries and the sinister process that came to be known as the Final Solution." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/doc/307805353.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jan+26%2C+1995&author=Waxman%2C+Sharon&desc=AN+ACCOUNTING+AT+AUSCHWITZ%3B+50+Years+After+Liberation%2C+a+Final+Toll+on+Atrocity

    Despite the downward revision in the death toll at Auschwitz of 3 million, the iconic figure of 6 million Jews killed by Hitler didn't even budge, but remained fixed at the number that was tossed out by Soviet Communists soon after their armies invaded Poland near the end of WWII, probably because we know deep down that Soviet Communists would never lie about anything, especially when it concerned their mortal enemies, the Germans.

    With respect to the lampshade nonsense, there is a footnote (p. 774) in John Toland's magisterial biography "Adolph Hitler" in which he tells of the experiences of SS Judge Morgen who was assigned the task in late 1943 of investigating the goings on at Buchenwald and attempted to bring his findings to the attention of higher-ups, but was rebuffed. According to the footnote: "Morgen also did his best to convict Ilse Koch, the wife of the Buchenwald commandant. He was convinced that she was guilty of sadistic crimes, but the charges against her could not be proven. After the war Morgen was asked by an American official to testify that Frau Koch made lampshades from the skin of inmates. Morgen replied that , while she undoubtedly was guilty of many crimes, she was truly innocent of this charge. After personally investigating the matter, he had thrown it out of his own case. Even so, the American insisted that Morgen sign an affidavit that Frau Koch had made the lampshades. Anyone undaunted by Nazi threats was not likely to submit to those of a representative of the democracies. His refusal to lie was a threat to turn him over to the Russians, who would surely beat him to death. Morgen's second and third refusals were followed by severe beatings. Though he detested Frau Koch, nothing could induce him to bear false witness. Fortunately, Morgen survived and is presently practicing law in West Germany." [Toland's book was published in 1976.]

    Dear tbraton,

    Thanks for the references. I must admit (sheepishly) that I have always thought the number fixed at 6 million. I have also made reference to such in my conversations. I will definitely revise that assumption, don’t want to spread nonsense.

    May God preserve you and yours.

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    Hello Talha,

    I also learned the 6 million number. I learned it as a total number of people executed (Gypsies, Slavs and others) of which Jews were a significant majority. I am making a mental note to read more about it in the future.

    Somewhat OT. In my opinion you are a serious thinker on our current politics and religious issues. What do you think is the optimal % of Muslims for the US? I would like for you to give a serious answer. If you are interested, I have an opinion on the %.
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  142. dahoit says:
    @Anonymous
    Why not go the whole hog and in addition to spreading trutherism about 9/11 and hating on Israel, also engage in holocaust denial? We know that's where your sympathies lie, you have never objected to the holocaust deniers posting many hundreds of their screeds in the comments sections below your articles. What have you got to lose, you have no credibility left anyway.

    Holocaust deniers;I have never met anyone who denies Hitler put his political enemies in
    CCS and many many died.Never.
    I don’t believe a word of the narrative given that belies the reality of Zionist power and control over US,and makes any discussion of what actually occurred in those camps illegal.
    Serial liars lie serially,and their track record is there for perusal,if one wishes.
    sheesh.

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    This post is infested by this trash
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  143. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    For criticizing Israel, Israel Shamir is also accused of being a Holocaust denier. In 2011, Will Yakowicz wrote a rambling and deeply dishonest hit piece against Shamir in Tablet. From a lengthy interview in Moscow, Yakowicz lifted a few bits out of context to chop down his man. Luckily, Shamir had his own recorder going, so we have their entire conversation.

    To see why Shamir is targeted so underhandedly, check out this piece:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-elders-of-zion-and-the-masters-discourse/

    The Elders of Zion and the Masters Discourse

    [...]

    In Palestine, the Jews have no compassion for the natives. They travel by segregated roads, study in segregated schools, while a Jew consumes ten times more water resources than a goy, and has seven times higher income. Thus, the Jewish separateness remains a fact of life for many Jewish communities.

    [...]

    For their own well-being the Jews have to obscure their unique position, wealth and power by the following means:

    - Holocaust discourse helps to fight envy.

    - In a mono-ethnic society, the Jews as the only foreign body do stick out and attract attention, while in multicultural society they are hardly seen. For this purpose, the Jews support immigration from non-European countries, as their presence would remove the stamp of Jewish exclusiveness.

    - The Political Correctness is another device forbidding the discussion of Jewish influence.

    - Fight against Christianity and the Church makes sense for a non-Christian community: if the Church would be strong, the Christians would prefer their own, Christian elite.

    - Globalisation is a natural development for the people spread all over the globe, if they attach but little importance to the local ways.

    [...]

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  144. Boris says:
    @5371
    Well, you should be able to see now why it's reasonable to believe that people like you might be involved in perpetrating 9/11 in the first place. Between that and allowing those who certainly did it to escape scot free because there might be "something genuinely damaging" (to whom?) in the truth, there isn't a vast gulf.

    You are just assuming that your conspiracy theory is true. Try thinking.

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    Not assuming anything. Just explaining the implications of your own statements.
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  145. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    Examples of human skin (and shrunken heads) were found by US troops at Buchenwald–that’s where the confusion about the lampshades arose. Maybe your argument is that the skin just fell off?
     
    the skin you're talking about has been proven to have been goat skin, and the shrunken head has become an object of hysterical, ROTFLMAO

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLiwSHNt6i4/UT_ymdsJ_YI/AAAAAAAAAic/sx7-L2SFgfw/s1600/549980_213078278833810_1504703175_n.jpg

    ridicule for the absurdities that were brought to the fore as "evidence" of so-called Nazi atrocities. IOW, the Nazis didn't sew Jewish people's hands onto ankles and take Jew's feet and sew them onto their hands. They didn't kill Jews with "bears and eagles", they didn't toss babies from the backs of lories into bonfires and "geysers of blood", and they didn't perfect the process of shrinking Jewish people's heads. Those were all lies and blood libels Boris. And one only wonders where the lies end and the truth begins, because of the sheer avalanche of lies upon lies. -

    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/antiprop/jewish_soap/soap.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Hs6EeAQMBY/VDTVnChMqZI/AAAAAAAADTU/3w4a9kJnOEM/s1600/Holohoax%2Bbrainwashing.gif

    but the Holocaust did absolutely happen, that is obvious. But the narrative, the paradigm that been hardwired into us all, is to automatically, Pavlovian-like, kneejerk turn any question or doubt about any particular event of the Holocaust, (like the shrunken head) and automatically, like a mathematical equation, state that the person (denier) who has a doubt, is automatically suggesting that the WHOLE THIING IS A HOAX, and that NONE of it happened, thereby making anyone with any doubt seem like a crazed looney.

    That's how it works. And it's very simple to program people to have these mindless, kneejerk responses.

    Doubt about the holy six million number?! = psycho anti-Semite who says none of it ever happened (and no doubt wishes it would!)

    ; )

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fLiwSHNt6i4/UT_ymdsJ_YI/AAAAAAAAAic/sx7-L2SFgfw/s1600/549980_213078278833810_1504703175_n.jpg

    I thought you were going to link to actual evidence for a second.

    but the Holocaust did absolutely happen,

    This is the telling part. The Holocaust happened, but you are mad about LAMPSHADE stories making Germans look bad? “Sure, the German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people, including women and children, BUT THEY NEVER MADE LAMPSHADES!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    I just can’t take you seriously.

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  146. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Dear tbraton,

    Thanks for the references. I must admit (sheepishly) that I have always thought the number fixed at 6 million. I have also made reference to such in my conversations. I will definitely revise that assumption, don't want to spread nonsense.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    Hello Talha,

    I also learned the 6 million number. I learned it as a total number of people executed (Gypsies, Slavs and others) of which Jews were a significant majority. I am making a mental note to read more about it in the future.

    Somewhat OT. In my opinion you are a serious thinker on our current politics and religious issues. What do you think is the optimal % of Muslims for the US? I would like for you to give a serious answer. If you are interested, I have an opinion on the %.

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    Dear iffen,

    I honestly don't know about that number, that is totally not my field of knowledge.

    The only thing I can give is opinion; the numbers floated among the Muslim community are something like 1-2% and of that number roughly 60-70% are immigrants and the rest are indigenous (White or Black) converts (though the number of Latinos is rising).

    Since I gave my opinion, feel free to express yours - :)

    May God preserve you and yours with honor.
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  147. Rurik says:

    German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent

    no imbecile

    they were not, any more so than I’m responsible for the myriad war crimes and atrocities committed by my government today

    or the Russian people responsible for the millions upon millions of innocent people butchered or sent to gulags or tortured to death by Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks

    or the Chinese guilty for the millions of people murdered by the Chinese communists

    or the Japanese, whose murderous rapine against the Chinese was legendary

    or the Jewish people today guilty of the genocidal, murderous cruelty visited upon the Arabs in Palestine, except insofar as they are complicit and participate. Yes, since we all know what is happening in the camps of Gaza and the West bank today, sure, it’s makes all people who advocate it guilty, but that hardly applies to some Jewish kid in Oklahoma who knows about as much about the horrors of Palestine as you know about WWII history.

    IOW imbecile, the Nazis who committed crimes against Jews (or anyone else) were the ones who were guilty. Not a German child born today. But that’s waaaay too nuanced for an imbecile to comprehend, isn’t it?

    What you’re talking about is collective punishment, imbecile. Like when Israel bulldozes an entire neighborhood because some kid shot a bottle rocket in Israel’s direction. That’s when you blame an entire group of people for the crimes of a very few. And only imbeciles, and Nazis and Zionazis do that. Fortunately, all the Nazis who did such things are dead.

    Now, we all know that putting enemies of the nation, when your country’s at war, into concentration camps is unfair, like what America did to the Japanese Americans during WWII. It’s unfair but it’s also understandable. So when the Nazis rounded up the communists and assorted Bolsheviks and enemies of Germany, a lot of those were Jews, and a lot were other people too. But that is no more reason for believing that the average German knew that there were crimes being committed in those camps- where they had swimming pools and orchestras and they put on plays and such. There was work too, and that was unfair, but it’s not like all the other countries didn’t do just as bad to innocent German civilians after the war was over. So any sanctimonious posturing and finger pointing is surely the act of an imbecile (or worse) today, when we’ve all been able to look at what happened back then and see all the lies and smears and blood libels that were tossed around in order to try to “justify” the assorted atrocities and war crimes that were done by the allies against the Germans. Especially the vile blood libels that have been hurled against the German people for generations now. (By namby-pamby imbeciles like you ; )

    So go cry to your mommy and tell her that I just said some things you don’t like. Tell your mommy that you want to hate on Germans and all white people as somehow guilty of racism or something, and feel all puffed up in your puerile little self-righteous smug.

    The days of trying to blame the German people for the wars and atrocities that were a consequence of those evil wars, are coming to an end, thank God.

    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind. We know what their agenda was because of what was done during the Holodomor, there and at Katyn and elsewhere, we saw their agenda, all lies from the NYT notwithstanding. So Germany had every right and every sacred responsibility for putting a stake through the communist black heart once and for all. We should have fought along side her.

    But instead the West, under the thrall of communist fellow travelers in control of our central bank and news papers and White House, tossed half of Europe into the maw of Moloch’s flames, and for 50 something years, Europa languished under a commie boot.

    Is that how your mommy described it?

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    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind.
     
    And you claimed not be an anti-Semite. lol.
    , @Boris

    So go cry to your mommy
     
    Look, your imbecilic Nazi views are ridiculed by almost everyone. How does that feel? Because there is one person here whining about how the precious Nazi memories have been maligned, and it's you.

    I'm laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.
    , @Stonehands
    You are such a doofus..Fascism, communism, finance..pfffft. Rorik...you're a good dog. Sit. Good dog, Rorik. STAY. Good boy!
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  148. @dahoit
    Holocaust deniers;I have never met anyone who denies Hitler put his political enemies in
    CCS and many many died.Never.
    I don't believe a word of the narrative given that belies the reality of Zionist power and control over US,and makes any discussion of what actually occurred in those camps illegal.
    Serial liars lie serially,and their track record is there for perusal,if one wishes.
    sheesh.

    This post is infested by this trash

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  149. Michelle says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Just one flaw in your rebuttal, Michelle: Whatever happened in the case of building 7, which was never struck by any airplane? Spontaneous combustion perhaps?

    Oh Jaysus, are you ever grasping at straws, now Seamus.

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    Oh Jaysus, are you ever grasping at straws, now Seamus.
     
    Building 7 of the WTC is one mighty big straw! :-D

    So whatever did happen to it? There are videos of it 'spontaneously combusting' on YouTube ... but unlike buildings 1 and 2, it was never even struck by a plane. The official 9/11 report assures us that the collapse was caused by--get this!--flaming débris emanating from the other two buildings. Yes, that's right: flaming débris from the other two buildings caused the steel girders of building 7 to melt and collapse.

    After watching the videos, I decided that the cause was a bit more straight-forward: controlled demolition. I submit one such video for your perusal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

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  150. Michelle says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Just one flaw in your rebuttal, Michelle: Whatever happened in the case of building 7, which was never struck by any airplane? Spontaneous combustion perhaps?

    Oh my gosh, Seamus, whilst my washing my supper dishes, I realized I’d just been had! You were being sarcastic when you mentioned the destruction of the third building on 9/11. Right? My bad! Of course, no one could believe that the Bush administration, CIA, Mossad, Illuminati, etc.., would actually engineer the collapse of both Towers, much less 3 buildings. Such ridiculous overkill. An embarrassment of riches, really. The very idea boggles the mind. When 1 tower would have sufficed. I getcha, wink, wink, nod, nod. More fool me. You got me, due to your superior male intellect, no doubt.

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  151. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Hello Talha,

    I also learned the 6 million number. I learned it as a total number of people executed (Gypsies, Slavs and others) of which Jews were a significant majority. I am making a mental note to read more about it in the future.

    Somewhat OT. In my opinion you are a serious thinker on our current politics and religious issues. What do you think is the optimal % of Muslims for the US? I would like for you to give a serious answer. If you are interested, I have an opinion on the %.

    Dear iffen,

    I honestly don’t know about that number, that is totally not my field of knowledge.

    The only thing I can give is opinion; the numbers floated among the Muslim community are something like 1-2% and of that number roughly 60-70% are immigrants and the rest are indigenous (White or Black) converts (though the number of Latinos is rising).

    Since I gave my opinion, feel free to express yours – :)

    May God preserve you and yours with honor.

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  152. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    You are just assuming that your conspiracy theory is true. Try thinking.

    Not assuming anything. Just explaining the implications of your own statements.

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    You still don't get it. Imagine your stupid conspiracy theory is false. Now, could there still be a reason to keep 19 pages secret? Of course.
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  153. @Michelle
    Oh Jaysus, are you ever grasping at straws, now Seamus.

    Oh Jaysus, are you ever grasping at straws, now Seamus.

    Building 7 of the WTC is one mighty big straw! :-D

    So whatever did happen to it? There are videos of it ‘spontaneously combusting’ on YouTube … but unlike buildings 1 and 2, it was never even struck by a plane. The official 9/11 report assures us that the collapse was caused by–get this!–flaming débris emanating from the other two buildings. Yes, that’s right: flaming débris from the other two buildings caused the steel girders of building 7 to melt and collapse.

    After watching the videos, I decided that the cause was a bit more straight-forward: controlled demolition. I submit one such video for your perusal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

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  154. Rurik says:

    The official 9/11 report assures us

    actually Seamus, the official 911 commission report, based on the investigation that the fecal government was forced to conduct, forgot to mention building Seven, and today, many of the men who were on the commission call the report a fraud. One of them wrote a book about it.

    The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

    Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities’ School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

    Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

    not only did the 911 commission forget to mention building seven ~ this from their Wiki page:

    The commission interviewed over 1,200 people in 10 countries and reviewed over two and a half million pages of documents, including some closely guarded classified national security documents. The commission also relied heavily on the FBI’s PENTTBOM investigation. Before it was released by the commission, the final public report was screened for any potentially classified information and edited as necessary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report

    perhaps they considered the implosion of building Seven classified. I’d certainly understand.

    It’s also notable that even the Wiki page makes no mention of ‘smoking gun’ building Seven.

    But they didn’t just forget to mention building Seven. They also forgot the “dancing Israelis” who were held my the FBI for months afterwards. Or the Israeli “art students”

    “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

    Google that one

    Or the tones of other evidence and anomalies and proof of government complicity; like the way they hauled all the evidence off to be melted down in China before a proper investigation of the rubble could be conducted. Or the way the media pre-reported the implosion of building Seven before it fell.

    the difficult thing when it comes to these 911 true believers Seamus, is figuring out which ones are sincere and naïve, and which ones are liars and shills with an agenda- to keep a lid on the worst crime ever committed on US soil. A crime for which the guilty should certainly be hanged by the neck, until dead.

    I think the best way to determine it is the snark factor. The more snarky, smug and pompous, the more likely you’re dealing with a shill

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  155. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent
     
    no imbecile

    they were not, any more so than I'm responsible for the myriad war crimes and atrocities committed by my government today

    or the Russian people responsible for the millions upon millions of innocent people butchered or sent to gulags or tortured to death by Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks

    or the Chinese guilty for the millions of people murdered by the Chinese communists

    or the Japanese, whose murderous rapine against the Chinese was legendary

    or the Jewish people today guilty of the genocidal, murderous cruelty visited upon the Arabs in Palestine, except insofar as they are complicit and participate. Yes, since we all know what is happening in the camps of Gaza and the West bank today, sure, it's makes all people who advocate it guilty, but that hardly applies to some Jewish kid in Oklahoma who knows about as much about the horrors of Palestine as you know about WWII history.

    IOW imbecile, the Nazis who committed crimes against Jews (or anyone else) were the ones who were guilty. Not a German child born today. But that's waaaay too nuanced for an imbecile to comprehend, isn't it?

    What you're talking about is collective punishment, imbecile. Like when Israel bulldozes an entire neighborhood because some kid shot a bottle rocket in Israel's direction. That's when you blame an entire group of people for the crimes of a very few. And only imbeciles, and Nazis and Zionazis do that. Fortunately, all the Nazis who did such things are dead.

    Now, we all know that putting enemies of the nation, when your country's at war, into concentration camps is unfair, like what America did to the Japanese Americans during WWII. It's unfair but it's also understandable. So when the Nazis rounded up the communists and assorted Bolsheviks and enemies of Germany, a lot of those were Jews, and a lot were other people too. But that is no more reason for believing that the average German knew that there were crimes being committed in those camps- where they had swimming pools and orchestras and they put on plays and such. There was work too, and that was unfair, but it's not like all the other countries didn't do just as bad to innocent German civilians after the war was over. So any sanctimonious posturing and finger pointing is surely the act of an imbecile (or worse) today, when we've all been able to look at what happened back then and see all the lies and smears and blood libels that were tossed around in order to try to "justify" the assorted atrocities and war crimes that were done by the allies against the Germans. Especially the vile blood libels that have been hurled against the German people for generations now. (By namby-pamby imbeciles like you ; )

    So go cry to your mommy and tell her that I just said some things you don't like. Tell your mommy that you want to hate on Germans and all white people as somehow guilty of racism or something, and feel all puffed up in your puerile little self-righteous smug.

    The days of trying to blame the German people for the wars and atrocities that were a consequence of those evil wars, are coming to an end, thank God.

    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind. We know what their agenda was because of what was done during the Holodomor, there and at Katyn and elsewhere, we saw their agenda, all lies from the NYT notwithstanding. So Germany had every right and every sacred responsibility for putting a stake through the communist black heart once and for all. We should have fought along side her.

    But instead the West, under the thrall of communist fellow travelers in control of our central bank and news papers and White House, tossed half of Europe into the maw of Moloch's flames, and for 50 something years, Europa languished under a commie boot.

    Is that how your mommy described it?

    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind.

    And you claimed not be an anti-Semite. lol.

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  156. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent
     
    no imbecile

    they were not, any more so than I'm responsible for the myriad war crimes and atrocities committed by my government today

    or the Russian people responsible for the millions upon millions of innocent people butchered or sent to gulags or tortured to death by Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks

    or the Chinese guilty for the millions of people murdered by the Chinese communists

    or the Japanese, whose murderous rapine against the Chinese was legendary

    or the Jewish people today guilty of the genocidal, murderous cruelty visited upon the Arabs in Palestine, except insofar as they are complicit and participate. Yes, since we all know what is happening in the camps of Gaza and the West bank today, sure, it's makes all people who advocate it guilty, but that hardly applies to some Jewish kid in Oklahoma who knows about as much about the horrors of Palestine as you know about WWII history.

    IOW imbecile, the Nazis who committed crimes against Jews (or anyone else) were the ones who were guilty. Not a German child born today. But that's waaaay too nuanced for an imbecile to comprehend, isn't it?

    What you're talking about is collective punishment, imbecile. Like when Israel bulldozes an entire neighborhood because some kid shot a bottle rocket in Israel's direction. That's when you blame an entire group of people for the crimes of a very few. And only imbeciles, and Nazis and Zionazis do that. Fortunately, all the Nazis who did such things are dead.

    Now, we all know that putting enemies of the nation, when your country's at war, into concentration camps is unfair, like what America did to the Japanese Americans during WWII. It's unfair but it's also understandable. So when the Nazis rounded up the communists and assorted Bolsheviks and enemies of Germany, a lot of those were Jews, and a lot were other people too. But that is no more reason for believing that the average German knew that there were crimes being committed in those camps- where they had swimming pools and orchestras and they put on plays and such. There was work too, and that was unfair, but it's not like all the other countries didn't do just as bad to innocent German civilians after the war was over. So any sanctimonious posturing and finger pointing is surely the act of an imbecile (or worse) today, when we've all been able to look at what happened back then and see all the lies and smears and blood libels that were tossed around in order to try to "justify" the assorted atrocities and war crimes that were done by the allies against the Germans. Especially the vile blood libels that have been hurled against the German people for generations now. (By namby-pamby imbeciles like you ; )

    So go cry to your mommy and tell her that I just said some things you don't like. Tell your mommy that you want to hate on Germans and all white people as somehow guilty of racism or something, and feel all puffed up in your puerile little self-righteous smug.

    The days of trying to blame the German people for the wars and atrocities that were a consequence of those evil wars, are coming to an end, thank God.

    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind. We know what their agenda was because of what was done during the Holodomor, there and at Katyn and elsewhere, we saw their agenda, all lies from the NYT notwithstanding. So Germany had every right and every sacred responsibility for putting a stake through the communist black heart once and for all. We should have fought along side her.

    But instead the West, under the thrall of communist fellow travelers in control of our central bank and news papers and White House, tossed half of Europe into the maw of Moloch's flames, and for 50 something years, Europa languished under a commie boot.

    Is that how your mommy described it?

    So go cry to your mommy

    Look, your imbecilic Nazi views are ridiculed by almost everyone. How does that feel? Because there is one person here whining about how the precious Nazi memories have been maligned, and it’s you.

    I’m laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.

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    I’m laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.
     
    OMG!

    ouch!

    I'll never be able to recover from that one

    such acid-like repartee! It feels like someone made a lampshade out of my uncle Biff

    or shrunk my cousin Slappy's head, those dastardly "comedians"

    next they'll make soap out of aunt Mildred and make me use it in the "shower"

    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to 'feel the guilt'
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  157. Boris says:
    @5371
    Not assuming anything. Just explaining the implications of your own statements.

    You still don’t get it. Imagine your stupid conspiracy theory is false. Now, could there still be a reason to keep 19 pages secret? Of course.

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    A reason? No doubt. A justification? Hardly.
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  158. 5371 says:
    @Boris
    You still don't get it. Imagine your stupid conspiracy theory is false. Now, could there still be a reason to keep 19 pages secret? Of course.

    A reason? No doubt. A justification? Hardly.

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  159. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    So go cry to your mommy
     
    Look, your imbecilic Nazi views are ridiculed by almost everyone. How does that feel? Because there is one person here whining about how the precious Nazi memories have been maligned, and it's you.

    I'm laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.

    I’m laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.

    OMG!

    ouch!

    I’ll never be able to recover from that one

    such acid-like repartee! It feels like someone made a lampshade out of my uncle Biff

    or shrunk my cousin Slappy’s head, those dastardly “comedians”

    next they’ll make soap out of aunt Mildred and make me use it in the “shower”

    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to ‘feel the guilt’

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    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to ‘feel the guilt’
     
    Heh. I'm sure you feel more pride than guilt when you visit a Holocaust museum.
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  160. Boris says:
    @Rurik

    I’m laughing at you, Out loud. This very moment.
     
    OMG!

    ouch!

    I'll never be able to recover from that one

    such acid-like repartee! It feels like someone made a lampshade out of my uncle Biff

    or shrunk my cousin Slappy's head, those dastardly "comedians"

    next they'll make soap out of aunt Mildred and make me use it in the "shower"

    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to 'feel the guilt'

    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to ‘feel the guilt’

    Heh. I’m sure you feel more pride than guilt when you visit a Holocaust museum.

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    guilt when you visit a Holocaust museum.
     
    I sure don't feel guilt, and definitely not pride

    Rather I'd say a sense of irony, that our society has all these expensive monuments supposed to shame some humans for what they did to others, while everyone walks around so solemnly, viewing the pictures and artifacts, while at the same time we Americans and Jews (of all people) are perpetrating the exact same thing on Palestinians today. There's a dark irony to that, I'd say. Especially when you consider the biggest block (head) of people supporting the on-going genocide are so-called "Christians"

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/28/photo-horrors-3rd-reich-v-gaza/
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  161. @Rurik

    German people were responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent
     
    no imbecile

    they were not, any more so than I'm responsible for the myriad war crimes and atrocities committed by my government today

    or the Russian people responsible for the millions upon millions of innocent people butchered or sent to gulags or tortured to death by Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks

    or the Chinese guilty for the millions of people murdered by the Chinese communists

    or the Japanese, whose murderous rapine against the Chinese was legendary

    or the Jewish people today guilty of the genocidal, murderous cruelty visited upon the Arabs in Palestine, except insofar as they are complicit and participate. Yes, since we all know what is happening in the camps of Gaza and the West bank today, sure, it's makes all people who advocate it guilty, but that hardly applies to some Jewish kid in Oklahoma who knows about as much about the horrors of Palestine as you know about WWII history.

    IOW imbecile, the Nazis who committed crimes against Jews (or anyone else) were the ones who were guilty. Not a German child born today. But that's waaaay too nuanced for an imbecile to comprehend, isn't it?

    What you're talking about is collective punishment, imbecile. Like when Israel bulldozes an entire neighborhood because some kid shot a bottle rocket in Israel's direction. That's when you blame an entire group of people for the crimes of a very few. And only imbeciles, and Nazis and Zionazis do that. Fortunately, all the Nazis who did such things are dead.

    Now, we all know that putting enemies of the nation, when your country's at war, into concentration camps is unfair, like what America did to the Japanese Americans during WWII. It's unfair but it's also understandable. So when the Nazis rounded up the communists and assorted Bolsheviks and enemies of Germany, a lot of those were Jews, and a lot were other people too. But that is no more reason for believing that the average German knew that there were crimes being committed in those camps- where they had swimming pools and orchestras and they put on plays and such. There was work too, and that was unfair, but it's not like all the other countries didn't do just as bad to innocent German civilians after the war was over. So any sanctimonious posturing and finger pointing is surely the act of an imbecile (or worse) today, when we've all been able to look at what happened back then and see all the lies and smears and blood libels that were tossed around in order to try to "justify" the assorted atrocities and war crimes that were done by the allies against the Germans. Especially the vile blood libels that have been hurled against the German people for generations now. (By namby-pamby imbeciles like you ; )

    So go cry to your mommy and tell her that I just said some things you don't like. Tell your mommy that you want to hate on Germans and all white people as somehow guilty of racism or something, and feel all puffed up in your puerile little self-righteous smug.

    The days of trying to blame the German people for the wars and atrocities that were a consequence of those evil wars, are coming to an end, thank God.

    Germany was fighting a righteous war against the biggest Satanic threat that the free world has ever known: Jewish Bolshevik genocidal communist slavery of mankind. We know what their agenda was because of what was done during the Holodomor, there and at Katyn and elsewhere, we saw their agenda, all lies from the NYT notwithstanding. So Germany had every right and every sacred responsibility for putting a stake through the communist black heart once and for all. We should have fought along side her.

    But instead the West, under the thrall of communist fellow travelers in control of our central bank and news papers and White House, tossed half of Europe into the maw of Moloch's flames, and for 50 something years, Europa languished under a commie boot.

    Is that how your mommy described it?

    You are such a doofus..Fascism, communism, finance..pfffft. Rorik…you’re a good dog. Sit. Good dog, Rorik. STAY. Good boy!

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  162. Rurik says:
    @Boris

    I better go to one of the hundreds of Holocaust museums around here to ‘feel the guilt’
     
    Heh. I'm sure you feel more pride than guilt when you visit a Holocaust museum.

    guilt when you visit a Holocaust museum.

    I sure don’t feel guilt, and definitely not pride

    Rather I’d say a sense of irony, that our society has all these expensive monuments supposed to shame some humans for what they did to others, while everyone walks around so solemnly, viewing the pictures and artifacts, while at the same time we Americans and Jews (of all people) are perpetrating the exact same thing on Palestinians today. There’s a dark irony to that, I’d say. Especially when you consider the biggest block (head) of people supporting the on-going genocide are so-called “Christians”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/28/photo-horrors-3rd-reich-v-gaza/

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  163. Michael Meo says: • Website
    @Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften
    Powerful writing, Mr. Dinh. "Israel is a horrible concept criminally maintained by a deluge of American tax dollars, plus rivers of blood, much of it Muslim but also American. Defending this most hated state . . ." When was the last time anyone heard it put that way, the way it is. No academic jargon. No obscurantist rhetoric. Just unpretentious direct writing that gets to the point, the truth, fast and effortlessly. Your detractors are plain jealous.

    A famous Viennese novel, with a mass murderer.

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    Michael Meo: “A famous Viennese novel, with a mass murderer. “

    Why do Joey and Vlad always get free passes, or were those creeps von Vienna?


    “…for many of the Kremlin moguls are themselves Jews, and not a few of them were badly used in the days of the Czars. But they seem to be Bolshevists first and Jews only second, for the Jewish religion is as much under the ban [in the USSR] today as Christianity, and it is dangerous for a Jew to be heard speaking Yiddish on the streets of Moscow. ..When, after the late war, the Poles began organizing pogroms and the Jews of their country took to flight, the exodus was not to Russia, but to Germany. It was, alas, a bad choice, but certainly the Polish Jews must have had what appeared to them to be good reasons for making it. Even today the fugitives from Hitler show no eagerness to trust themselves to Stalin. “

    From a review, by H.L. Mencken, of The Tragedy of Russia, by Will Durant in The American Mercury , October 1933 pg 254

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1933oct-00252
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  164. Sam J. says:

    Linh Dinh has hit the nail on the head. There is no democratic control of a country where such things are going on. We know building #7 was demoed in some manner. It fell the same speed as a rock dropped in air for roughly 108 feet. This is impossible without some help. Even molten steel has some resistance to being crushed. Building #7 fell with no resistance at all.

    The Spoofers (as opposed to Truthers) keep lying about the fires or lack thereof. Look for yourself and see the fires or lack thereof. Here’s a video of reporters going into building #7 AFTER the North tower supposedly fell on it and destroyed it sufficiently enough for it to collapse completely. Look at :54 you see the #7 for the building on the door.

    Now you’ve seen video of the inside where there is NO massive damage to make all four sides of the building fall. You want pictures of the back? Here’s a picture of the South side of building #7, facing the North tower, after it had fallen. There is no huge gaping hole. There is no massive fire going all the way up the building. So you can’t say it’s the other side and we have plenty of video and pictures of the North side of building #7 pictures with no damage at all.

    Here’ another NIST FOIA released video taken between one and two hours before building #7 fell. There’s around three floors on fire.

    (Watch the reporter pan up at 2:54. You can clearly see the whole building is not on fire. This side shown is the North side of building #7. Later you can see the fires mostly around three or four floors only and in isolated spots.)
    If the fires were hot enough to melt steel then why isn’t the glass in the windows melted? Glass melts at an extremely lower temperature that steel. Ever put a metal can and a glass bottle in a campfire? The glass bottle melts but the steel can will still be intact. These fires were no hotter than a campfire. One last video of all sides from 23 angles also showing the miraculous collapse.

    For more info look at a site by some engineers that lay out the evidence.

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    Here’s a video using simple high school physics software to show the fall of building #7.

    WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial

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  165. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Santoculto
    What did he say wrong *

    NOTHING. HE SAID NOTHING WRONG.
    but the commenter didn’t like it, boo hoo ‘ (
    sniffle… the poor guy. ; )
    linh’s the best!

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  166. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Carlton Meyer
    I hate to venture into the JFK swamp, but Oswald's wife is yet another unexplainable issue that few know about. Oswald deserted from the Marines, defected to the Soviets, and openly bragged that he gave them top secret information, which some suspect helped the Soviets shoot down a U-2 with Gary Francis Powers.

    Then Oswald simply "returns home" and is not arrested and imprisoned for decades! Oh, he wants a visa to bring his Russian wife too! No problem, you Marine Corps deserter and traitor! Have a nice life in Dallas, and we'll get you a government job too, despite your dishonorable discharge.

    huh?
    make yourself clear.
    just say, I know barely anything about the jfk murder!
    THAT would be “no problem”-
    unlike your mishmash of “facts”.
    read up!

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  167. Labeyacov says:

    What, nothing about UFO’s. Very disappointed.

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    Yes, very disappointing.

    Also nothing about the Hollywood staged events of July 20, 1969 (and we know who runs Hollywood) that made it appear that the US had "won" the space race against the USSR. Because of this bogus defeat the USSR went into a death spiral which later allowed "certain" oligarchs to loot Russia.
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  168. iffen says:
    @Labeyacov
    What, nothing about UFO's. Very disappointed.

    Yes, very disappointing.

    Also nothing about the Hollywood staged events of July 20, 1969 (and we know who runs Hollywood) that made it appear that the US had “won” the space race against the USSR. Because of this bogus defeat the USSR went into a death spiral which later allowed “certain” oligarchs to loot Russia.

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  169. @Michael Meo
    A famous Viennese novel, with a mass murderer.

    Michael Meo: “A famous Viennese novel, with a mass murderer. “

    Why do Joey and Vlad always get free passes, or were those creeps von Vienna?

    “…for many of the Kremlin moguls are themselves Jews, and not a few of them were badly used in the days of the Czars. But they seem to be Bolshevists first and Jews only second, for the Jewish religion is as much under the ban [in the USSR] today as Christianity, and it is dangerous for a Jew to be heard speaking Yiddish on the streets of Moscow. ..When, after the late war, the Poles began organizing pogroms and the Jews of their country took to flight, the exodus was not to Russia, but to Germany. It was, alas, a bad choice, but certainly the Polish Jews must have had what appeared to them to be good reasons for making it. Even today the fugitives from Hitler show no eagerness to trust themselves to Stalin. “

    From a review, by H.L. Mencken, of The Tragedy of Russia, by Will Durant in The American Mercury , October 1933 pg 254

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1933oct-00252

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  170. Nic108 says:

    Great piece as usual, Linh! Love your pieces and photojournalism. Ignore the Hasbara trolls. They have no credibility. Whoever’s paying them should demand a refund.

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