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During a recent gay pride parade in Philly, a transgender woman was arrested for attempting to burn a Blue Lives Matter flag. The charges against ReeAnna Segin were arson, causing/risking a catastrophe and other misdemeanors. After Segin was released, however, her case smoldered on, for he/she claimed that his/her human rights and dignity were violated since he/she was locked up for four hours with male inmates, that is, with other humans cursed or gifted with a penis.

Having a dick, though, no longer means that one is male in the Disunited States of Whatever. Segin’s beef was amplified by all the Philly news outlets. In front of television crews, Segin demanded that cops be banned at future Pride Parades, “We can protect ourselves from police and violent organizations on our own. We need to create a world where our trans family is safe.”

I was sitting in Friendly Lounge, exercising my liver, as usual, when my friend Lisa expressed outrage at the police’s treatment of ReeAnna Segin, to which I replied, “If this person has a penis, but is locked up with a woman, how would his or her cellmate feel? I mean, there is no privacy in a jail! Should we start building prisons for transgenders?”

Besides separate facilities for MtFs and FtMs, we should erect brand-new, state-of-the-art gulags for agenders, bigenders, polygenders, neutrois, androgynes, intergenders, demigenders, greygenders, aporagenders, novigenders and maveriques, and please forgive me for leaving out other mutations.

Until we achieve this prison-industrial complex nirvana, binary jails must suffice, so should Kaitlin Jenner be booked, he/she will be stripped, like everybody else, then subjected to a manual cavity search or forced to sit on a Body Orifice Security Scanner. Naked, Jenner will simply be male or female, according to the usual definition.

With its infinity of facts and unarrestable processes, one’s own body is one’s most exhaustive and exacting teacher, on just about everything, and like everybody else, I’m not exactly comfortable with my body’s uncompromising and often cruel pointers, lessons and allegories, but such is life. Daily, I bow to my first and last sensei.

At Pennsport Pub, Philly’s last old school go-go joint, the dancers are quite at ease with being naked, but they’re still composing themselves, thus still cultured. Standing on the bar, statuesque Kitty jiggled her ample ass in front of my buddy, Felix.

“How’s that?”

“I’m fine as long as you don’t fart in my face!” the never censored 71-year-old cheerfully replied.

When I was a housepainter many moons ago, a co-worker joked, “Why do women wear makeup and perfume?”

“I don’t know.”

“It’s because they’re ugly and they stink!”

In that case, then, we’re all women, for we’re all trying to mask our fug ugliness and funk with all sorts of barely convincing cosmetics or scents, be it an expensive suit, much learning, bravado or this syntactically showy sentence, so carving ourselves up to become a new person certainly belongs to this desperate strategy.

In East Asia, too many have deformed themselves to appear whiter, but even with blonde hair, rounder eyes and a higher nose bridge, an oriental remains his or her birth self, just as a man wearing a dress is just some guy in drag. (Meaning merely Easterner, “oriental” is much more exact than “Asian,” so should never have been displaced.) Though it may be a drag, you are, exactly, your biology.

Like most people, I couldn’t care less what kinds of convictions or fantasies you have about what’s between your legs, for you’re free to add, subtract or transmogrify to your heart’s content, it’s none of my business, but subjectivity can only go so far. Though I can claim to be Serena Williams, I shouldn’t be surprised if the world doesn’t quite agree.

The new dogma that you can define your own sex is one of the surest signs that America, and much of the West, has gone mad. I write this while sitting in a Saigon eatery. Although there have always been Vietnamese cross-dressers, people here still equate being female with having a uterus, and not just a dress and makeup.

At a death anniversary last week, I found myself feasting at a table with just men, while all the women chattered, joked and laughed away in the kitchen, where they had prepared all the food, but then Vietnamese men have other duties, not least of all the ghastly task of war. There’s a proverb, though, “With the enemy at the house, women must fight.”

If a woman felt like boozing with us, she was absolutely free to do so, and one did join us for a toast of beer. While it’s wrong to codify or criminalize the differences between men and women, it’s perverse to see them as inherently harmful, to be overcome.

Vietnamese don’t “raise boys and girls the same way,” according to the Western progressive dictate, and they’re not striving for a postgender society, where cultural, biological, psychological and social roles of gender are finally banished, as if that’s possible. In the postgender utopia, anyone can be pregnant and father a child, although “father,” that bloody, stinking and oppressively patriarchal word, should already be flushed from the lexicon.

Now in America, a single person can assume the plural pronoun, “they,” or be called “ze” or “xe,” because merely “he” or “she” may be inappropriate or hurtful.

The term “transsexualism” was coined by Magnus Hirschfeld, the founder of Berlin’s Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, whose lifespan coincided with that of the Weimar Republic. Hirschfeld categorized 64 genders, so it’s really déjà vu all over again.

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A sexual decadence ground zero, Berlin gave the world Anita Berber, Otto Dix, Max Beckmann, Kurt Weill and Bertolt Brecht, then came Hitler. Since America is convulsing through its own Weimar, which of its artists, writers, composers or dancers will be remembered? Maybe nobody. Thoroughly philistine, this listing ship can’t produce one memorable minstrel. Perhaps Drake is America’s poet laureate, “Got no sense like jizzle and shh / Big and bad like leader and shh.” Whatever, but who are pushing this shit?

American child, you won’t be taught how to be a boy or girl, for those are harmful, reactionary concepts, and your national borders will mean nothing, for no person is illegal, and race is but a chimera dreamt up by racist minds, although collectively, you will either be guilty as all hell, or never culpable, as determined strictly by your race.

As Stalin said, “Education is a weapon,” and there is a concerted effort by the state, media and academy to neuter the American mind.

By besieging, indicting and belittling traditional masculinity, America’s rulers aim to enfeeble and neutralize half of its citizens, while enraging the other half into a propensity for cartoonish violence, resulting in a society of sheep and mindless soldiers.

With its twin cocks publicly castrated and its founding principles hacked off, the US itself has become a shrieking, floundering void, thrashing in a homemade stew of incoherencies. Transitioning, Uncle Sam stumbles towards irrelevance. Again, who are pushing this shit?

Linh Dinh’s latest books are Postcards from the End of America (non-fiction) and A Mere Rica (poetry). He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Dumbo says:

    “Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad”

    But I think that, more than Weimar, which didn’t last long and had a swift end, perhaps the more apt comparison is with the decadent Roman Empire. The USA will continue with the same name and general shape for perhaps a hundred years more, but it will never be what it was before and it will slowly disintegrate, eventually into smaller units.

    The West will slowly die, but either Christianity will come back or a new religion will rise to restart a more normal society again.

    Of course, also something completely different could happen, so we never know.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    You left out vapogender, and I am not sure if the omission is pardonable, lol.

  3. Excellent! Very excellent. There is one ominous line. But I will not tell which one.

    • Replies: @Respect
  4. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    My USA laureate poet is Wallace Stevens (see The Enperor of Ice-Cream)
    .

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @Anonymous
  5. Who are pushing this shit is the point.

    Follow the money. Identity politics submerges working class politics.

    • Replies: @TonyVodvarka
    , @rjj
  6. It’s this silly equality > fairness error. People get caught up in equality and believe that any combination is = to any other. Personally I’ve always said my brain is 40% female, but this has done little for me other than make me very conversational with women relative to my male friends.

    A man can’t become a woman and vice versa, even if their brain feels 80% woman. A man can become the image of a woman, and a woman can become the image of a man, and at best, head transplants could make this relatively functional, but it would still be a brain with non-standard chromosomes floating around for the sex organs. This would always irk me – the guaranteed failure to reach the ideal I was aiming for, setting myself up for failure. May as well get on with it in this shell.

    As for legal definitions, Thailand does ok with it – no teaching to kids and no military is their rule. Seems fair enough. Then again, this is just the beginning – this modern tech will make people mod themselves in ways that will make trannies look plain average in 50 years. It’s like fusion food – someone will just have to try and add chocolate to the tikka masala one day, for better or worse.

    Mostly I think society fails with sex ed. Adolescense begins at 11-14, sex ed should begin as early – to avoid the early errors (three cases of sex offense for me aged 11, for lack of understanding!) of both action, understanding, and to teach some safety for a population that doesn’t get to #MeToo itself for lack of any foresight. 30% of rape victims are under 15 in the UK, 10% under 10 – maybe not a direct reason to question one’s own sexuality, but certainly enough to create a life long confusion or uncomfortableness with sex or sexuality with respect to yourself, I would say.

    When my kid is 5 in a couple of years (boy), I’m teaching him on secrecy, what secrecy is reasonable, and a general understanding of how to avoid adult creeps (haven’t figured out how to get this part yet), he can begin to get sex ed at 10-11. Start at 14-15, like for my group in school, and you are dealing with kids that have had 2-4 years of exposure to views made by the uninstructed, in a vacuum, never good.

    There will always be the S+ scale – evolution is not binary for any aspect of a species, but there is no need to encourage it. Declare yourself what you wish at 13, but gender reasignment is for 21+. Mostly I think the world needs more compassion and fairness, then people would be comfortable in their own difference.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. ” and race is but a chimera dreamt up by racist minds, although collectively, you will either be guilty as all hell, or never culpable, as determined strictly by your race. ”
    As far as I know, as with intelligence, nobody has ever been able to define the concept.
    However, though also not easy to define, culture does exist.
    When travelling through European countries differences in culture are quite clear.
    These cultural differences are important, often crucial, no Dutchman ever got a job of any importance in France, where the patron is always right.
    We Dutch are accustomed to discuss any decision
    Germans love rules, unbelievable what they think should be regulated.
    British take a lunch of some two hours, most of the time accompanied by alcohol, what causes us Dutch not to be able to do anything of importance in the afternoon.
    A Swiss firm offered me whiskey at eleven in the morning, my request for coffee was not seen as very polite.

    • Replies: @Respect
    , @Skeptikal
  8. Da Wei says:

    Linh Dinh,

    Who indeed, and to what end? Don’t answer, or you might be fired, or even jailed.

    Thanks for writing with such clarity and fortitude about such a dismal damn situation.
    Remember when we were proud of good strong men and good cultivated women?
    Who, indeed, would want us weak, bickering, ambiguous in who we are and what we believe?

    You are one astute writer, Linh Dinh, but also a writer with brains and balls and a liver.

  9. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:

    America’s got ‘genders’ like Baskin-Robbins’ got flavors!

  10. Franz says:

    Who?

    The same liars saying the economy is booming, the Afgans will surrender any day now, and a country that shipped most of it’s industrial base to Asia — OOPS — The Orient, can now afford a Space Force.

    I don’t mean the government. I don’t mean the people.

    I mean the owners.

  11. Biff says:

    Living here in Bangkok, lady boys are ‘time of day’, and nobody else seems to have a problem with them, and I wouldn’t have any idea at all as to where they go to the bathroom. Often times Man/Woman on a bathroom door is a mere suggestion. Also, the lady boys are the more obvious in the gay community – the gay females look no different from regular females, and they don’t get adadictomies, and there are no “butch dykes”.
    In larger shopping malls there is always a woman or several women, janitors in the men’s room cleaning and mopping – I’ve done my business(standing and sitting) many times with a woman in very close proximity. OTH I don’t think it would be quite as acceptable if the genders of janitor duties were reversed, but I don’t know that for sure – I’m not done being surprised by things around here.
    I know for sure that the idea of a person of the opposite sex being in the loo with you(working or not) would bother most Americans, but then again, EVERYTHING bothers Americans – which why I believe they have so many laws on the books, and which is why I could no longer stand the place. One wrong move and you have a cop writing you a ticket – playing ball with my dog at the park became way too costly after the third ticket(animal at large $400.00) Here in BKK my Chinese neighbors are DEATHLY afraid of my dog(same dog – Labrador retriever – wouldn’t hurt a fly), and while there’s no leash law to speak of, they have politely asked me to keep a leash on it. So, to keep the peace, I do up until I get to the park where it’s ball time. Didn’t need Congress, lawyers, and cops to deal with that one.

    As Stalin said, “Education is a weapon,” and there is a concerted effort by the state, media and academy to neuter the American mind.

    I don’t think it took much “effort”, but they got the job done just the same.

  12. gruff says:

    Have you considered that it might be the Jews?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  13. For Confucius and Moses, and other ancient, literate wise men who wrote down for humans their basic rules, there was a reason for gender roles, a strategic reason that we rarely hear about. People who are not merely a bunch of illiterate or recently literate Vikings off pillaging the world, people who have been civilised for many many centuries, like the Iranians, Afghans, Indians, Chinese etc etc. They all know that basic secret taught by history is that ALL EMPIRES CRASH. They are all relatively brief, and when they crash a lot of people are destroyed, especially those who live in cities. However, you can protect your own people by keeping half of the people in the home, away from cities, and out of the trade economy. Food produced in the home might well still be there when the winter comes after the fall. Allow the secular Jews who run your economy and media to drag all of your women into the work place, and you lower the survival rates for everyone when the inevitable end of the current empire comes.

  14. @Biff

    ” Here in BKK my Chinese neighbors are DEATHLY afraid of my dog(same dog – Labrador retriever – wouldn’t hurt a fly), and while there’s no leash law to speak of, they have politely asked me to keep a leash on it. So, to keep the peace, I do up until I get to the park where it’s ball time.”
    I commend you for your good sense. If more people, for the sake of neighborliness, were to accept the occasional trifling restraint on their “freedom” then the State would not need to get involved…with all its attendant evils…..

  15. Respect says:

    Ever since the USA and its european asslickers started with the fanatic ideology of gender which marginates and humiliates the 50% male population , to which I belong , and degrades the 50% female population , I feel an increasing rejection to a western system that makes me a second class citizen just for beeing a man .

  16. Escher says:

    A sexual decadence ground zero, Berlin gave the world Anita Berber, Otto Dix, Max Beckmann, Kurt Weill and Bertolt Brecht, then came Hitler.

    Are you implying something about Trump?

  17. mcohen says:

    Ignorance is the opium of the self righteous.

    You are in a trench and you need to get over the top and advance.So you throw a few smoke grenades like gender whatnot as linh described to cover your advance.
    All the smoke about gender is hiding the queer agenda.There are so many messages flying around and they serve one purpose.Advancing gay rights.

    Surely you cannot be that stupid to not grasp this simple fact.

  18. Respect says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Come on , tell us the ominous line , payalsta !

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  19. When a tranny of any race is picked up by the police for any crime, they should be locked up with the black males. The end result would be fewer men would want to be trannys considering the treatment they would receive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Truth
  20. Again, who are pushing this shit?

    Douglas Reed penned an answer to that nearly 70 years ago and it appears that he may have been onto something, but the “conspiracy” deniers won’t like it. Tough sh!t.

    It is, in my belief, the plan of a conspiratorial sect, the members of which wield much power in all countries, seldom openly appear, hold sway over the visible public figures, and are able so to direct the acts of governments, friendly or hostile, peaceable or warring, that these in the end all promote their prompters’ own destructive ambition.

    This ambition (and today I think it is apparent) is to set up a World State to which all nations, having ruined each other, shall be enserfed

    … Two groups, alien in all lands and powerful in all lands, chiefly promote that great design [of World Domination]. The political explorer finds Soviet Communism and Zionist Nationalism in all countries to be forces powerful behind the scenes, and in sum their separate efforts serve a converging ambition.

    -Douglas Reed , FAR AND WIDE, pg 7 (1951)

    https://archive.org/stream/FarAndWide/far_djvu.txt

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  21. @Biff

    …and there is a concerted effort by the state, media and academy to neuter the American mind.

    I don’t think it took much “effort”, but they got the job done just the same.

    Sadly, all three claims are true.

  22. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Why Christianity? It’s not exactly a high-functioning religion. I’d say it’s got a similarly retarding effect to Islam, and I’d also note that the West was only able to move forward after material science pushed Christianity firmly into the back seat. A more highbrow and scientifically-compatible religion like Buddhism could allow the USA to move forward once again, but what’s the chance of that happening? The wave’s already breaking and, after that, it’ll slide back into the sea.

    When a culture stagnates, progress always comes from outside, and the original culture may or may not be able to remain intact while assimilating foreign advances. I think it’s obvious to all that advances are going to be coming from China, and it’s really up to Americans how much resistance they put up. If they’re fast enough on the uptake, they’ll be able to retain their sovereignty like Thailand has for the whole of the Western age. If they’re too slow, the USA will become colonised, just like India or Indonesia.

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @Dumbo
  23. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Why does sex education have to be such a sensitive issue? The street dogs are going at it quite happily in the open, and the whole process from puberty to puppies is on display. Why not just let your boy ask questions about this and explain how it works, and how it works in humans also. He’s had no conditioning so why would he think it weird?

  24. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    I know for sure that the idea of a person of the opposite sex being in the loo with you(working or not) would bother most Americans, but then again, EVERYTHING bothers Americans – which why I believe they have so many laws on the books, and which is why I could no longer stand the place.

    Right on, brother. It’s not just yanks, it’s Westerners in general. They’ve got such an expansive ‘personal space’ and such fixed ideas about how things should and should not be done. It drives me nuts.

    I’m surprised your Chinese neighbors are afraid of a Labrador. You tried picking up him like a baby and then showing them what a darling he is?

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  25. @Anonymous

    Ah, a social, not biological construct. No wonder then, that lesbians are always offering to lick my six-inch clit.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  26. Though I can claim to be Serena Williams, I shouldn’t be surprised if the world doesn’t quite agree.

    Or, you could “identify” as a British Royal. Then people would than have to address you as, Your Grace or My Lord.

    I wonder if Linh is going to buy a bar in Vietnam and call it Rick’s Place or maybe a sports bar.

  27. Respect says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Clever , the french …….

    • Replies: @Johann
  28. @obwandiyag

    Exactly, along with pussy hats, Confederate flags, sexual inappropriateness, gun control and so on.

  29. Johann says:
    @Respect

    I also prefer the word “oriental” it gives an exotic aura to the person who is designated. I remember once being told the PC designation of people from the East, which states that a person must be referred to as Asian but food may be called oriental. It becomes confusing in the U.K. where Moslems are typically classified as “Asians”. I also prefer the term Occidental to refer to Westerners .

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  30. WHAT says:
    @Anonymous

    Except no advancements are coming from China, at all. Ant copycats are not good with creative tasks, you see.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @cassandra
  31. Dan Hayes says:
    @Johann

    Johann:

    The preferred self-nomenclature for Chinese in my neck of the woods (NYC) is North East Asian.

  32. Between my wages and the bank’s bailout; between an unborn child and a diseased appendix; between “male and female God created them” and sex as self-construct; between a nation and a mere oligarchical looter’s outpost, between loving one’s neighbor and merely using him, who’s for open borders? Those who have already crossed the line.

  33. Dumbo says:
    @Anonymous

    Many scientists were Christian and pretty religious (even Isaac Newton), scientific atheism or agnosticism is something relatively recent. I don’t know how Buddhism is more science-friendly since it didn’t seem to work that way in Buddhist countries, and they started to advance in that sense when they started copying Europeans.

    Now I don’t know if Christianity will survive, and I won’t be here to find out. I think one advantage or benefit it has is that it is pretty flexible or adaptable, it adapted to European paganism or assimilated it, it has rules but they are not as obsessive/insane as the rules for Jews in the Talmud or for Muslims, who copied Jews. (I wonder if part of this obsession with bathroom rules and all that is going on in the west has to do with Talmudic obsession with crazy rules, they have rules for everything, from how to wipe your ass to when it is OK to have sex with a child).

    Anyway, the USA will disintegrate, not because of religion, but because it no longer has a majority ethnicity, it is 50% non-white and has a mishmash of nationalities and races who don’t even get along well. No country or empire has ever survived that in the long run. It’s worse than atom bombs. It’s almost 100% certain it will implode, just as the Western Roman Empire did.

    But I don’t think China is the danger. They may colonize Canada, however.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  34. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexei Kosegin

    Every man who is locked up in prison or local jail is locked up with black males because they are the majority of criminals and prisoners.

  35. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @WHAT

    Have you been there recently? There are new inventions and new ways of doing things on display all over the main cities. These guys are seriously open to new ideas. Westerners aren’t. They’re stuck in their rut and too fussy to get out of it.

  36. Linh Dinh for President!

    He’s got a dick and he’s not afraid to be one.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  37. a transgender woman was arrested

    What the fuck does this even mean? It’s deliberately obfuscatory. Is this a man who chopped off his penis? A woman with a dildo sewn on? Come on Linh, you are better than this. Maybe “an insane freak in a dress” would be better? But it’s not even clear that’s what this was. Perhaps “an insane freak in a man’s clothing”?

    How can one read further when you open a commentary this way?

    • Replies: @CCZ
  38. Opening sentence aside, this is Linh’s best piece yet. I wish he’d spent more time in Ann Arbor and written more about the peculiar insanity of Southeast Michigan, but if this is an indicator of things to come then we are much better off with him back home in Vietnam..

  39. @gruff

    Have you considered that it might be the Jews?

    You mean the alien desert tribe that first taught us to “spread the other cheek” and then give everything we’ve worked to create over to malingerers and incompetents through “teachers” like Yeshua and Marx?

    Nah, couldn’t have been them..

  40. @Anonymous

    But only has one race. Unless there’s some wrong to right. Then it’s whitey’s fault.

  41. ‘While it’s wrong to codify or criminalize the differences between men and women, it’s perverse to see them as inherently harmful, to be overcome.

    One of your best.

  42. CCZ says:
    @Stan d Mute

    A “transgender woman” (transwoman) is always the boy to girl, man to woman, with or without “original plumbing.” A “transgender man” (transman) is always the girl to boy, woman to man. Note, I do not say male or female. Biology is NOT a social construct.

  43. @Bard of Bumperstickers

    lesbians are always offering to lick my six-inch clit.

    It’s not charitable to brag like this, especially considering our esteemed bard Linh is Oriental..

  44. pyrrhus says:
    @Anon

    Mine is e.e.cummings, who would never have countenanced any of this nonsense. America is now Buffalo Bill…

    Buffalo Bill ’s
    defunct
    who used to
    ride a watersmooth-silver
    stallion
    and break onetwothreefourfive pigeonsjustlikethat
    Jesus

    he was a handsome man
    and what i want to know is
    how do you like your blue-eyed boy
    Mister Death

  45. Anon[647] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Having a dick, though, no longer means that one is male in the Disunited States of Whatever.

    Having balls no longer means you have testicular fortitude in the GOP. They are all such wussies.

  46. @Anonymous

    I wish more dog owners would actually look at their dogs. Race seems less like a social construct when you have a Great Dane standing next to a Chihuahua. Responsible breeding advances beneficial traits and attempts to weed out deficiencies. A fully intermixed dog species would be a net loss of all the best traits.

    Same sex humping may indicate dominance or confusion, but it’s certainly not mating. Encouraging it may not hurt anyone at home, but only a fool would think that their humping poodle can expect civil tolerance from the Rottweilers and Akitas at the dog park.

    You can dress your dog up any way you want, but it doesn’t have anything to do with personality or character. What he really wants to wear is the smelliest thing he can roll in – preferably something dead and rotting – is that actually a life choice you think should be socially supported?

    • Replies: @CCZ
  47. Lin says:

    Faggotry in USA is analogous to events unfolding during the reign of Constantine. Yes Obama is the new Constantine. Although such a phenomena at present largely happens in the anglo-western world but fagotry lifestyle seems to be ‘universal’ and might spread further. The world is facing a cultural upheaval no less
    (I’m specifically not anti-gay just like I’m not against the lifestyle choice of drinking mineral water or drinking wine. Drinking to much water cause diarrhea but the average person will be alarmed if his/her next door neighbor is an alcoholic….)
    I posted the followings at Robert Lindsay’s blog before:
    Homosexuality as a Religion.
    What are the attributes of a religion? Lets go through a YES or NO or 50/50 check list.
    1) Like pre-Constantine Christianity, pre-Obama Fagotry was a persecuted institution(in US). Pre-Constantine Christians congregated in ‘underground’ churches, and fags congregate in public toilets.—A resounding YES
    2) Eucharist/communion fluid/bread
    — Christians have consecrated wine as communion drink.
    — Fags have semen as eucharist drink.(A small amount of feces from licking or not could be consider the equivalent to eucharist bread)
    Incidentally or as actual pagan lineage, the worshipers of Baal also drank a mixture of semen and wine before their ‘fertility rites’.—Honestly i didn’t intend to be a comedian, just take your pick
    3) Has God/gods/supreme authority — Hinduism and the Greek pantheon do have FaGods, but they are usually not emphasized by modern homos — 50/50.
    4) Tribal or the notion of ‘good vs evil’ — As Robert Lindsay said, many queers have the notion that males are either anti-fag or consider homosexuality to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I was suspected of being gay at another forum by someone who is apparently queer just because I am well read on the subject. Its well-known that queers are very hostile to their critics. — A resounding YES.
    5) Evangelism/proselytizing — It’s well-known that queers want to convert all hetero males to bisexuals and abandon ‘gender differences’. They want to lower the legal age of consensual sex just to recruit converts. Dan Savage said, “I hope boys grow up fast to fcuk men.” — A resounding YES.
    6) Apologetics — All religions contain elements of irrationality, and these elements, like Creationism in Fundamentalist Christianity and bloodshed like killing Egypt’s first born and such are usually overlooked if not condoned by the believers:
    Example:
    — Usually deny they were largely responsible for the first stage of the AIDS epidermic.
    — Deny they’re health care burden on the rest of society.
    — Deny that have much a higher frequency of child sex abuse.
    — Claim their sex is ‘spiritual’ even when it’s sex across holes dug across male washroom cubicle separator panels. —- A resounding YES (and for the followings too)
    7)Martyrs: Queers have their long list of martyrs, just a few examples:
    i)Oscar Wilde–died in exile
    ii)Alan Turing–WW2 hero scientist, persecuted ,castrated and probably killed by MI 5 or MI 6
    iii)Pope Paul II, (1464–1471)–The holy man who literally died during the sacred rite of Sodom
    …………
    Let me put it this way, the Holy Ghost converts a person into a Christian, while the Prostate Hormonal Ghost converts a male into a prostate orgasm-yearning queer.
    8) Paradise — Yup, I posted it before as some kind of April Fool’s joke: The gay paradise is CUM-munism
    “To respond to President Pence’s announcement of national emergency to ban sodomy after 100’s of 1000’s of homos publicly ‘marched-in’ and ‘daisy-chained’ in major US cities to the tune of Hava Nagila which literally means ‘Let’s be Gay’, the gay militant Dan Savage announced the long-awaited ‘CUM-munism Manifesto’.
    Besides advocating a radical, broad LGBT liberation front to counter Christian fundamentalism, the manifesto also wants literally the public or collective ownership of all anatomical components, body fluids, and technical devices associated with orgasm. He also propose establishing CUMmues in all US cities and towns where sex to whatever fancy is free and unrefusable. All voluntary services at the CUMmues will carry tax credits.” — Well, we all know communism is a religion to the adherents.
    9) Hell: here it comes, and watch your ass(I advice to read the whole article):

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/09/28/anal-cancer-new-gay-epidemic-media-wont-talk/

    Anal Cancer: The New Gay Epidemic the Media Won’t Talk About
    By Megan Fox September 28, 2017
    “The Los Angeles Times calls anal cancer “the next big crisis” for the gay community. According to the American Cancer Society, the future looks grim…”
    10)Salvation guarantee:
    Christians have the doctrine of ‘Once saved always saved’
    Gays have ‘Once gay always gay’ becos gay-deprogramming is said to be ineffective

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/gay-conversion-therapy-republican-party-platform

    …………..
    However the homos can look forwards to future queerdom as pre-Constantine Christians longed for Political Christendom. The future marriage norm could be polyamorous – group marriage – and involve males, females, parents, siblings, non-human species, androids…even ET aliens.
    Jesus walked the earth as the King of Kings.
    The coming Queen of Queens will announce the 100o years reign of Pan Sodom.

    I wrote the above in the name of Jesus

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
    , @Allan
  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexei Kosegin

    You have a hideous mentality. I do not agree with the western `gender ideology` rubbish, but if someone wants to dress up as the oppnsite sex at times (and women dress as men when they feel like doing so, as a matter of course, for the last eighty or so years in the west). Sure, many trannies do a very bad job of it, and should never even try.

    However, if they want to, their choice, no matter how bad and fake some may look. It is a tiny minority.

    Your wishing negro prison rape on all MtF trannies is very ugly, and, you being an unstable girly man, and Karma being a bitch as it is at times, you may well enjoy the nasty fate that you recommend for people who you do not know.

    I would also recommend that you keep closer track of trends, the rate of FtM is far surpassing MtF in the U.S.A. in recent years.

    I do not recognise the ideas of `sex change`or `gender reassignment`as real, a surgically mutilated and oestrogen-pumped man cannot bear and breastfeed a baby.

    A surgically mutilated and testoserone and androgen-pumped woman cannot impregnate a woman.

    Not to forget, a few people are happier to be full-time simulacra (although the post-`transition` suicide rates are very much higher than the much progandised rates of those who say they wanted to but couldn’t, because of Mum or Dad, etc.

    Dressing up is fine. I do it myself at times, when I have time (not often of late), not because I pretend not to be my birth sex, and not for same-sex partners, but because I like the art of it. Fortunately, I have a suitable form.

    It is alarming, and, I think very bad how the craze is exploding and being pushed in the U.S.A. and western Europe.

    … but the kind of hateful talk that you speak, recommending prison rape, that is really bad, you would even wish it upon me, and you deserve at least a major bout of bad luck for it, or for your evil wish to turn back and bite you on the arse.

  49. Anonymous[127] • Disclaimer says:

    It is not enough to say that you “dont care” what people do in their “own bedroom” or “own body”. Degenerates are a virus and it DOES make our lives better if they are destroyed.

  50. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexei Kosegin

    You have a hideous mentality. I do not agree with the western `gender ideology` rubbish, but if someone wants to dress up as the oppnsite sex at times (and western women dress as men whenever they feel like doing so, as a matter of course, for the last ninety or so years). Sure, many trannies do a very bad job of it, and should never even try.

    However, if they want to, their choice, no matter how bad and fake some may look. It is a tiny minority.

    Your wishing negro prison rape on all MtF trannies is very ugly, and, you being an unstable girly man, and Karma being a bitch as it is at times, you may well enjoy the nasty fate that you recommend for people who you do not know.

    I would also recommend that you keep closer track of trends, the rate of FtM is far surpassing MtF in the U.S.A. in recent years.

    I do not recognise the ideas of `sex change`or `gender reassignment`as real, a surgically mutilated and oestrogen-pumped man cannot bear and breastfeed a baby.

    A surgically mutilated and testoserone and androgen-pumped woman cannot impregnate a woman.

    Not to forget, a few people are happier to be full-time simulacra (although the post-`transition` suicide rates are very much higher than the much progandised rates of those who say they wanted to but couldn’t, because of Mum or Dad, etc.

    Dressing up is fine. I do it myself at times, when I have time (not often of late), not because I pretend not to be my birth sex, and not for same-sex partners, but because I like the art of it. Fortunately, I have a suitable form.

    It is alarming, and, I think very bad how the craze is exploding and being pushed in the U.S.A. and western Europe.

    … but the kind of hateful talk that you speak, recommending prison rape, that is really bad, and you deserve at least a major bout of bad luck for it, or for your evil wish to turn back and bite you on the arse.

  51. Great to see you posting from home.

  52. Che Guava says:
    @Lin

    How is that related to Constantine? It is hard to understand. Perhaps you are confusing the silly comic book and stupid movie with reality?

    • Replies: @Lin
  53. CCZ says:
    @Sollipsist

    Useful (?) information for your next visit to a dog park.

    “Human Reactions to Rape Culture and Queer Performativity at Urban Dog Parks in Portland, Oregon” by Helen Wilson, Ph.D. in feminist studies and lead researcher at the Portland Ungendering Research Initiative.

    Her article, the result of her one year of “in situ observations of dogs and their human companions at three public dog parks in Portland, Oregon” examines: “What issues surround queer performativity and human reaction to homosexual sex between and among dogs?” and “Do dogs suffer oppression based upon (perceived) gender?” She applies “Black feminist criminology categories to suggest practical applications that disrupt hegemonic masculinities and improve access to emancipatory spaces.”

    “Dog parks become rape-condoning spaces in which human rape culture plays out by the moral permissiveness we extend to animals. … In this sense, the only dogs who were oppressed were those engaging in queering behavior. Raped female dogs were not oppressed because rape was normative at dog parks. This raises…issues as to the agency of female dogs as well as intrinsic victim blaming in female dogs, which obviously extends into the analogous circumstance under (human) rape cultures within rape-condoning spaces”

    So, she watched thousands of dogs having sex and “closely and respectfully examined the genitals of slightly fewer than ten thousand dogs, being careful not to cause alarm and moving away if any dog appeared uncomfortable” to conclude that dog parks are manifestations of rape culture, oppression, and hegemonic masculinity.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0966369X.2018.1475346

  54. Noah Way says:

    In a nation of intolerance there is no need for prisons (except as corporate profit vehicles). Summary execution conducted on the spot is far more appropriate. By who? By anyone with a gun, of course. Arm ‘em all. Discount ammunition available here.

    Hopefully all the intolerant idiots will extinguish each other and the rest of us can live in peace and quiet without imposing our will upon or being imposed upon by others. You reap what you sow.

  55. nsa says:
    @Biff

    Gee, dad, last saw Fido yesterday heading for the Wong’s place, and haven’t seen him since. And today the Wongs are having a barbeque with all their relatives and friends, and didn’t invite us……..

    • Replies: @Biff
  56. Che Guava says:
    @Lin

    I don’t always like the writing of Rod Dreher, and would love our host, Ron Unz, to write more on his impressions of the mag. of which he was once editor, and specifically, Dreher.

    That said, I am a Catholic, catechised, confirmed. Also, not in a situation to attend mass most of the time. Must improve on that point,

    Many of the actions of Francis are weird. My first theory was that his guilt over being a de facto accomplice of the death squad regime in Argentina led him to over-compensate (his play-acting as a prelate at the time was diametrically opposite to his plays as pope). In fact, he is a moron. Flew Syrian Sunni families into Rome, for example. Doubt that touched them with the faith. It would be amusing if somebody was tracking them down, and to ask them.

    Actually, reading Dreher’s recent writing on the RC church in the U.S.A., it is very scattered, it is sickening, the gay scale of the clergy is too big to believe, but real.

    I recommend that you read the last two, three, or four, of his posts on it.

    This should not distract from similar things in Anglican (Episcopalian) Church clergy, full of ‘gay’, too, and worse now, gay women clergy in many places. Having had some time in the Anglican Communion, I am having no doubt that it is even worse than the worst of the Catholics, the differences are that the former gain a kind of consent, so gay Omerta comes into play, but the many active homosexual gay Catholic seminary overlords in the U.S..A. and their proteges pushed it too much, to clear blasphemy and abuse, and should not even have been there in the first place.

    At least, many Catholic churches here are having a good spirit, I should be the more regular to attend, but I really fear the ill-will of Francis on the church in general.

    • Replies: @Respect
  57. Lin says:
    @Che Guava

    Hahaha….. I laugh my butt off !!

    Definitely you are the one confused by the silly comic book and stupid movie and ignorant of the history of Christianity. Honestly, go ask your high school history teacher. Tell me, what’s your ethnic and religious background ?

  58. Well stated… this writer should be made head philosopher of the United States…

  59. Respect says:
    @Che Guava

    Ignore Francisco and go to Mass , pray , don`t be güevon guava

    • Agree: Che Guava
  60. Linh Dinh writes:

    The new dogma that you can define your own sex is one of the surest signs that America, and much of the West, has gone mad.

    Notice how he shifts from talking about “transgender” at the beginning of his piece to “define your own sex” (around half way) to “transsexualism” near the end.

    With the help of The American College of Pediatricians (ACPEDS), he would be on firmer ground in recognising that treating gender and sex as interchangable concepts only confuses the issue and plays into the hands of gender-identity politics.

    In 2016 ACPEDS released a position statement arguing that gender reclassification of children, also known as transgenderism, was harmful to children. The following introduction and two opening points clarify the distinctions between gender and sex and dispose of the “social construct” argument.

    The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

    1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of male and female, respectively – not genetic markers of a disorder. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction and flourishing of our species. This principle is self-evident. The exceedingly rare disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to testicular feminization and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, are all medically identifiable deviations from the sexual binary norm, and are rightly recognized as disorders of human design. Individuals with DSDs (also referred to as “intersex”) do not constitute a third sex.1

    2. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one. No one is born with an awareness of themselves as male or female; this awareness develops over time and, like all developmental processes, may be derailed by a child’s subjective perceptions, relationships, and adverse experiences from infancy forward. People who identify as “feeling like the opposite sex” or “somewhere in between” do not comprise a third sex. They remain biological men or biological women.2,3,4

    These quotations are from an updated version of the statement, September 2017, available at http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

  61. “Who are pushing this dhit?” Do you really want to know? The Hmong are. Just pulling your whatever! Whoever was in the decadent Berlin is also present in New York. Let me put it this way: if you are Hmong and you produce children who are naturally wacky because either you have spoiled the heck out them or are genetically malfunctioning for umpteen reasons. And you just happened to live in a society that practiced Sunday blue laws and considered non Christians, children of satan. Yet you have the wherewithal not only to fulfill your child’s perversion but you want to use your power and influence to change those orthodox views permanently to avoid future societal harm to not only your unusual offspring but those that truck with her in satiation of unnatural longings. And if you had gazillions of those types progeny within your insular community, then it bacame imperative not only to turn the culture upside down for one’s own sake and also for the fun of it because it can be done and because other crazy shit has been done. I tell you boy, those Hmong are one tough bunch to do business with… God save us all from their vengeance!

  62. @Biff

    It might be uncomfortable for us living in Western societies, but it is simply a manifestation of the survival of the fittest: dying Empire and its vassals are actively destroying themselves by various sorts of BS, including this one. Indeed, when the incontrovertible biological fact that all mammals have to sexes, whereas everything else is a disease selected against by evolution, becomes debatable and is labeled retrograde, this is a sure sign not just of madness, but of being doomed. I would not be surprised if the same “ideologues” proclaim that times table is retrograde and oppressive, because people with clinically low IQ don’t get it.

    The fact that many societies do not accept this BS, Eastern European, Russian, Oriental, or Latin American, is the sign that they are not infected with this lethal disease and are going to survive. Unless the healthy part of the US society rises up against the peddlers of BS soon, in a few decades (maybe earlier) would be high time to leave the burning Rome and seek salvation elsewhere. The win of the non-establishment candidate in the US was a sign that the recovery is possible, but Trump himself turned out to be a fraud: he did not keep a single promise he made in 2016.

    • Replies: @englishmike
  63. Da Wei says:
    @Wally Streeter

    I say Poet Laureate. It probably comes with a small stipend for beer money. We’ve had too many dicks in the WH already, and nobody reads poetry, so LD would be safe.

  64. Da Wei says:
    @jacques sheete

    Thanks for the link to Douglas Reed’s Far and Wide.

    Reed knew full well who was pushing it, and had been pushing it for a very long time, the Talmudic Zionists.

    From the first page of his last book (which, I think, you recommended on UR) is this:

    “For it is the day of the Lord’s vengeance and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.” Isaiah 34:8

  65. DEFEATING THE PURPOSE

    Enough males are willing to have sex with a post-op transsexual to actually destabilize the sexual marketplace.

    In the end, it is females that suffer because on a fundamental level males essentially value them for the use of two and sometimes three bodily orifices.

    Look at gay districts which “phase out” scruffy heterosexual (Usually black) districts.

    1) The female prostitutes and attendant pimps disappear for lack of clients. Sure, there are “rent-boys” but these are always strapping young males who are not “pimped”. Most of them are not using soul-destroying drugs, either. They are businessmen, essentially.

    2) The things that go along with female prostitution vanish like drug dealers etc.

    3) Domestic violence calls go down. Not COMPLETELY but they decrease.

    4) Juvenile delinquency decreases because the unhappy guttersnipes of single mothers long-abandoned by the father vanish-though some rob gays.

    5) Less welfare because both partners work, no dependents.

    6) Less fighting between males, lover’s triangles.

    Women VANISH from gay districts.

  66. Among frequent great insights in Linh’s article, this is my (state-sponsored) W.M.D. favorite: “As Stalin said, “Education is a weapon,” and there is a concerted effort by the state, media and academy to neuter the American mind.”
    Hi Linh,
    For the sake of achieving ZUSA-revolutionary notoriety, I aspire to become the first Scranton “transgender” school bus driver to show up for work dressed in mini-skirt, dyed freak blue hair, and overdone

    • Replies: @Mike P
  67. Che Guava says:

    Honestly,

    I still don’t understand your ref. to Constantine, unless you mean fratricide among his and his family’s descendants.

    I have read much history, ancient from both Europe and East Asia, primary sources, secnndary, the latter primary at times in 漢字, w.r.t. history in respect to nth. China, what are now the Koreas, and Japan. That really corsesponds to, in western terms, a crossing from ancient times to the early middle ages. Recent and modern, too.

    As for giving you a capsule biog. as you request, would be too long and too off topic.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  68. rjj says:
    @obwandiyag

    “Identity politics submerges working class politics.”

    1. For the “Activists:” it’s malingering — goldbricking — weaseling out– a substitute for meeting the challenges of adequacy – personal, academic, professional.

    2. For the bystanders/commenters/dupes: it’s only the latest in a series of SOP pseudopolitical Somatic Hot Button® issues designed to give We The People something we can easily get our minds around (as well as something we really, really, really like to think about).

    Abortion… birth control … buggery in the armed services … toilets …. every election cycle for the past twenty or more years ye olde body politick has been agitpropped into an uproar over some body issue or another.

    This trivializes vital concerns. By falling for and rewarding Cheap Trickster and CorpsMedia brand bullshit we become accomplices in our own undoing. In this instance leave the Identitarians to it. Ignore them. It’s a phase that will respond most favorably to benign neglect and detached amusement.

  69. Mike P says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I aspire to become the first Scranton “transgender” school bus driver to show up for work dressed in mini-skirt, dyed freak blue hair, and overdone

    LOL. I’m intrigued by “overdone” – what exactly would it add to the mini-skirt and blue hair?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  70. Mike P says:
    @Che Guava

    You’re overthinking it – Constantine was just the one who made Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire, whereas Obama made Faggotry that of the American empire. That is all. Unlike Obama, Constantine was of course eminent in other ways; he belongs to the handful of emperors who restored the empire and staved off its demise for a while, like Aurelian and Valentinian I. However, he is generally known simply for adopting Christianity.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  71. Skeptikal says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “ans love rules, unbelievable what they think should be regulated.”

    And if there isn’t a rule, they will make one up on teh spot.
    Bystanders will let you know if you are breaking one of their rules by loudly discussing you with another stranger, until you stop what you are doing that they don’t like!
    But it’s not all bad!

    The Germans invented the DIN system. That makes perfect sense, and is one of the bulwarks of the German “midsize company” economy.
    Very lochical!

  72. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Well female humans are being relentlessly, and from every direction (in speaking terms), culturally programmed to service as male-attacking organic devices.

    Sure enough, nature has some inherent room for power struggles along the female-male axis (as it has with regards to the female-female and male-male axes), but this pales against what we are bearing witness to currently — it’s a psychological epidemic, feeding on training astutely given “from high up” and the feminine (and human, more broadly) drive to see & copy (to conform, in other words).

    It is definitely too much, and spreading too wide and fast, for it not to be “pushed” by someone, it seems to me.
    ‘Cause, as you surely know, these cultural fashions all start from the US and find, basically, every Internet-connected society entirely receptive to whatever shit they are displayed as progress and “what everyone agrees on”.

    Who and how can benefit from female-male relations turning into full-on non-stop narcissistic aggressions on the males, and, in the long run, just becoming undoable, I have no idea.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  73. @ChuckOrloski

    Sometimes my comments getting chopped!
    Fyi, the final touch to my planned transgender ensemble is “overdone” pink lipstick.
    In our sick Zio-society, laughter makes life livable, thanks, Mike P., and be well.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @CCZ
  74. Hank Yobo says:
    @Mike P

    Wasn’t it Theodosius I who made Christianity the state religion in 380-81? Constantine only made the Nazarean faith a religio licta.

    • Agree: Mike P
  75. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Call the roller of big cigars,
    The muscular one, and bid him whip
    In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
    Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
    As they are used to wear, and let the boys
    Bring flowers in last month’s newspapers.
    Let be be finale of seem.
    The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

  76. @AnonFromTN

    Hi AnonFromTN.

    Since my comment (61. above) about Linh Dinh’s usage of “gender” and “sex”, many of the comments in this thread have tended towards the bizarre.

    Your comment 64, however, is serious and thought-provoking. What does seem bizarre about it is that it seems to have little if anything to do with the doggy-themed comments which it follows.

    Am I right in thinking that you intended it as a direct response to my comment 61?

    BTW, I wouldn’t normally draw attention to a minor spelling error by a fellow commenter, but it seems important to note that you surely intended to type “all mammals have TWO (not “to”) sexes”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  77. CCZ says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Don’t forget the beard, nose ring, and everywhere tattoos. This way you can be a male-female-bi-transgender, at the top of the tranny pyramid.

    https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/the-mainstreaming-of-circus-freaks/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  78. @englishmike

    You are correct, it was misdirected by my mistake.
    And, certainly, I meant two sexes: that’s what we (and all mammals) have biologically.
    Thanks!

  79. Allan says:
    @Lin

    Interesting. My own impression of homosexuality overlaps with yours, but I would note that the features of religion are more general than you’ve suggested with items like #2. For example, religions usually give “an account of our brokenness” i.e. the cause(s) of our distress; a diagnosis of our contemporary condition; a message of hope for a cure; and a prescription of beliefs to adopt and deeds to accomplish to bring about the cure.

    P.S. Why do we follow the homosexuals by writing “LGBT”? It seems that the ladies are beneficiaries of excessive representation through use of both L and G. Wikipedia suggests that semantic drift of “gay” is responsible, but we can ask about what motivated the drift of Gay away from its prior referance to male homosexuals only.

    Whatever the cause(s), the fags are getting the shaft. We must fight this sexist bigotry. Men of the world, unite. Say no to Gay. Say yes to Fag, rhyming be damned. Say LFBT. May Fags get the shaft no more.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Lin
  80. @Allan

    You seem to be under false impression promoted by PC BS pushers that homosexuality (no matter what you call it) is a choice. It is not. It’s a mental disorder, like schizophrenia. People should not be punished for it, because it’s a disease. But it cannot be considered normal for exactly the same reason.

    • Replies: @Allan
  81. @CCZ

    Hi CCZ,
    … Great recommendations, but I don’t know if my stock dividends will cover a nose-ring and a full-limb tattoo. Will check the books.
    … One matter though that has me thinking about opportunities to shatter another American standard, “The Walton’s” social code.
    … Am wondering if my driving school bus on “the Wild Side” can legally force the school district to allow me to use school girl’s rooms without prosecution, lynching?
    … Let me know how you see this post-constitutional possibility, CCZ? Thank you.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  82. cassandra says:
    @WHAT

    Except no advancements are coming from China, at all. Ant copycats are not good with creative tasks, you see.

    This is what the ostriches said about the Japanese in the 50′s until the 60′s, until their technology progressed from what could be copied to what was new.

    If you want to believe that a billion and a half of some of the smartest people in the world can’t get creative when they have good reason, you’re repeating the racist attitude of the free traders in the 90′s, who claimed that Chinese would do all the grunt work and leave the cream to American workers.

    Put yourself in their shoes and imagine what you’d be doing: copy technology as much as possible until you’ve caught up, then invent what you need beyond that. They’ve done that with construction machinery, so far.

  83. cassandra says:
    @Anon

    Who and how can benefit from female-male relations turning into full-on non-stop narcissistic aggressions on the males, and, in the long run, just becoming undoable, I have no idea.

    Someone who wants to tear down culture by denigrating its sense of self-esteem, here by using authoritarian intimidation. But that begs the next question…

  84. CCZ says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Pennsylvania is the only northeastern state that does not extend anti-discrimination protections to gay and transgender people. However, Governor Tom Wolf (D), issued executive orders barring gender-based discrimination against employees and job applicants in state government and its contractors. State employers (recipients of state grants and contractors doing business with the state) are now prohibited from discriminating against their employees based on their sexual orientation, gender expression, or gender identity. Certain municipalities (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Lancaster, Erie, Scranton, Harrisburg, and others) have also passed separate ordinances implementing the same or similar protections. The nature and strength of these “protections” would need to be researched.

    Other tranny examples do not require tattoos, but use makeup to give you “cleavage.”

    https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2016/01/14/post-guac-american/

    And perhaps you will be assigned a bus full of young “gender-queers” like Desmond!!

  85. Lin says:
    @Allan

    Religions have 2 major causes:

    1)Its ancient ‘science’ fiction: When the ancients looked at the starry sky or the shadow casted by a bird over a deceased elder, they pondered if there’s a paradise up in the sky and if there’re eternal souls or life after death, much like the modern educated looked at the starry sky they wondered if there’re green skin aliens in other distant star systems with tech beyond us and if the human memory could be transferred to cybernetic paradise inside a super computer.

    2)The modern as a result would create things like star trek/wars as entertainment and wouldn’t extrapolate further(Mormons being exception). But the ancient tribal chiefs saw such ‘science’ fiction as great way to unify their tribes under the benign rule of the tribal chief in heaven and to label the rival tribes as evil. Religion was the first case of identity politics.

    Symbolism is very important to religions(A muslim burqa cladded female in non-muslim land is like waving a placard that reads;’Look kufirs,I’m not going to be assimulated’. Burqa is said to cover the female body from the sex predators’ eyes; but I doubt sex crime against muslimahs would jump if they take off the burqa. The same applied to hasidic women’s scarves). Semantics is part of the symbolism. ‘Gays’ is term the late 19th century English queers tagged themselves, even though fags are known to high frequency of life-style related mental health problem. As the fag movement grew, it crept into the daily language.
    Homosexuality has many causes:
    1)0,5 to 1% are probably genetical hormonal. I suggest to leave them alone
    2)Big majority are of the following types:
    a) Circumstantial like all male army, ship crew, jail inmates. They’re mostly ‘tops’
    b)’Cultural’ like ancient greeks, pre-conquesta aztecs, and south afganistan(the Pashtun part is one big translucent closet)
    c)’Biochemically triggered conversion’. After the first anal encounter, the prostate gland was stimulated and triggered hormonal change and yearn for more. Just like the first dose of crack cocaine would turn a person into a drug addict. They are the ‘bottoms’. I call it ‘Lawrence of Arabia syndrome(T.E.Lawrence turned gay after gang raped by the turks. He said he felt ashamed; not because of the humiliation but because he actually enjoyed the rape). I suspect most of the gay militants are anal converts; well the new converts are often more fanatical than the high priest.

    I suggest scientists should try ways to relocate the prostate gland into other locations like the scrotum. The rectum has very thin inner lining and is not abrasion resistant. Well, evolution(which I believe)is not perfect

    • Replies: @Prester John
    , @Anonymous
  86. Allan says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t deny at all that homosexuality is evidence of mental disorder, but it will always be true that homosexual activity, when not coerced, is a choice, just like organizing those gay narcissism parades and festivals is a choice. Furthermore, we must not assume that a mental disorder (e.g. gay narcissism) is due to circumstances beyond the control of the being with the disorder. Conscious rejection of virtue in favor of vice is often accompanied by mental effort to justify the viciousness with sophistry, and Rome was not built in a day.

    Lastly, let’s remember that horse flies, mosquitos, and bed bugs are not responsible for their condition. Please keep this in mind when next you are about to swat one such pest with your hand or some tool formed for that purpose.

    LFBT: May Fags get the shaft no more.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  87. @Allan

    You are mixing apples and oranges. The attraction of some males to individuals of their own sex is a mental disorder. Like all mental disorders, it is incurable. Thus, we have no more justification in punishing these people for their perverted attraction than for punishing blind for their blindness.

    Now, gay pride parades and other exhibitionistic (rather than narcissistic) behaviors are matters of free choice and should be prohibited. There is no reason for the sick people to be proud of their affliction. After all, we don’t have schizophrenia pride parades, or blind pride parades, etc. We don’t even have straight pride parades, for the simple reason that being straight is biologically normal.

    Homosexuality is no more about virtue or vice than any other disease, including schizophrenia or flu. Promiscuous straight sex is a choice and a vice, whereas schizophrenics cannot choose to hear or not hear “voices”, it’s their affliction. The same goes for the attraction of some males for males.

    We can’t cure them, therefore we should not discriminate against them or punish them. However, homosexuality is by no means normal. Homos should not be allowed to “marry” or adopt children by the same logic that we do not allow blind people to drive cars or pilot airplanes. Disease, even though it is neither a choice nor a vice, limits person’s functions in a normal society.

    • Agree: Vojkan, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mike P
  88. @Lin

    Your suggestions are as good as any. I opt for (1) myself, but am clueless as to the cause. There is some, albeit anecdotal, evidence that it’s brought upon due to psyche stress on the mother during pregnancy. Wouldn’t rule out the rest though. Be that as it may, it’s clearly a disorder caused by who-knows-what.

  89. Anonymous[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Clearly and accurately stated, although presumably for those of us lacking that form of mental disease. Homosexuals cannot be argued with, inasmuch as they lack foundational argument and the ability to recognize same.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  90. @Anonymous

    Thanks! You are correct, one does not want to argue with homosexuals. The first rule of psychiatry is “never argue with patients”.

    However, the society that pushes “marriage equality” is fundamentally sick: it is as silly as maintaining that schizophrenics’ hallucinations are equivalent to the reality. While we don’t know how to cure mental disorders, it is our duty to cure the society. I wish I knew how to go about that.

  91. Truth says:

    “Why do women wear makeup and perfume?”

    “I don’t know.”

    “It’s because they’re ugly and they stink!”

    “Uh hoh, hoh, hoh, hoh…get it? 3 shows daily, I’ll be here all week…”

  92. Truth says:
    @Alexei Kosegin

    I know quite a few white men, I think that would CREATE more transsexuals.

  93. Mike P says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I disagree on several points.

    1. The dichotomy between “choice” and “disease” cannot always be made so clearly. Stealing may be a choice, but sometimes it is not – that is called kleptomania. Similarly, heterosexual promiscuity may be a choice, but the compulsive form is known as nymphomania (in women; apparently it is called “satyriasis” in men – had to look that up). Promiscuous behaviour can also result from frontal lobe lesions etc.

    2. Homosexuality and pederasty were apparently pretty widespread in ancient Greece, which suggests that this behaviour can be acquired by habit.

    3. There is a pretty wide gap between allowing homosexual marriage on one hand, and adoption of children by such couples or individuals on the other. I have no problem with the former, as it happens between consenting adults, but object to the latter.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Anonymous
    , @Vojkan
  94. @Mike P

    You are right that there are grey areas. Still, there are clear cases (maybe 90%), so the rules should apply to those. As to the rest, there are psychiatrists to determine when it’s a disease.

    As to homosexuality in Greece and Rome, it apparently was not as widespread as sometimes thought (at least based on Plato).

    As to marriage, my old-fashioned view is that marriage is an arrangement for procreation, so that excludes same-sex couples. There is an institute of domestic partners in the US and many other countries, so calling this relationship “marriage” is just an attempt to make it sound normal, which it isn’t. The issue of adoption should be a firm “no” (based, among other things, on your point #2).

    • Replies: @Mike P
  95. Mike P says:
    @AnonFromTN

    As to marriage, my old-fashioned view is that marriage is an arrangement for procreation, so that excludes same-sex couples.

    Well, how about persons with testicular feminisation/androgen insensitivity syndrome? Should they be able to marry? They look (and probably feel) like women, but genetically they are men, and they are unable to procreate. And how about post-menopausal women? How about people who have simply decided not to procreate? I’d say live and let live, and in my subjective view that goes for homosexuals, too.

    I do agree though with the general sentiment that the general SJW propaganda and indoctrination is obnoxious; making celebrating gaiety compulsive and denouncing everyone who doesn’t join in as “homophobic” or “transphobic” is a disgrace and harmful to society.

    (BTW my browser’s spell checker knows “homophobic” but not “transphobic” – I guess I will have to report it for political incorrectness.)

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  96. @Mike P

    I enthusiastically agree with live and let live! I wish the US would follow this philosophy.

  97. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    Religion comes from divine experience, dufus. There are times in life when, for reason or not, one’s consciousness shifts beyond the mundane into the divine. Some people experience this regularly, some people not at all. Religion is what happens when one seer tries to communicate their experience to the masses.

    You sound like Dawkins. He’s very good at analysing the bathwater, and completely in denial about the baby.

    • Replies: @Lin
  98. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    2. Homosexuality and pederasty were apparently pretty widespread in ancient Greece, which suggests that this behaviour can be acquired by habit.

    Pakistan and Afghanistan too. I think this due to the inaccessibility of women.

  99. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    You ignore my statement or misread me:
    My “When the ancients looked at the starry sky or the shadow casted by a bird over a deceased elder, they pondered if there’s a paradise up in the sky and if there’re eternal souls or life after death” isn’t too different from
    your ” There are times in life when, for reason or not, one’s consciousness shifts beyond the mundane into the divine..”
    I’m NOT an atheist for simple reasons(I’m a protestant Christian of alternative conviction):
    1)Humans are tiny organism in the universe. its reasonable that there’re entity or entities with power beyond our present understanding.
    2)I’ve studied serious math and I draw analogy related to religion; all numbers are finite(unless one insists on the ‘extended real number system’ )but infinity is the anchor of mathematical analysis.Its more than just a concept IMO.
    …….
    Something undeniable:
    Religions are often meshed with racial/tribal politics.3 religions are very obvious in these aspects:
    1)Judaism–Does the term ‘chosen people’ ring a bell?
    2)Islam–Here Arabic is the language of paradise and the prophet with the last say is also an arab. Almost all the taboos/dos &don’ts like halal diet, burqa, polygamy,cousin marriage.. are originally arab cultural facets.I’m no bigot and I’m a admirer of mr. Mohamed. Arabs were uncohesive and scattered tribes in the Middle East and he single handed started a major civilization. Sunni islam is basically a vehicle of arab or pan-arab civilizational power. Shiite islam is hated by the arabs because it dilutes arab power and is adopted by their Persian enemy

    https://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/salafi-imam-we-must-believe-arabs-are-master-race/

    3)Hinduism–Its a social segregation pyramid system to place the brahmins at the top with ‘spirituality’ like ‘dharma’, ‘reincarnation’ as thin candy veneer. You’re a sewage diver and life is miserable? Don’t blame the upper caste because you had done evil in your previous life and deserve the shit in your mouth whenever you dive into the shit pool.Its like the S.africa apartheid system that last thousand of years; the races inevitable mixed somewhat but those with fairer skin still are at the top and a religion was constructed to justify it. I’m not making it up;go ask prime minister Singh: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/28/india.mainsection.
    ….
    Protestant christanity has the least cultural baggage that it imposes no costume,dietary and lingual restriction.
    …….
    All religious fundamentalists are blasphemers because they claim they know god(s) or these or those are the dictates of God(s). Its like a bacterium claims it understands humans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. Vojkan says:
    @Mike P

    With regards to marriage, it shouldn’t be the state’s business at all. Marriage is a religious thing and should have remained so. All weddings before the late 1700s were religious marriages. What is called civil marriage is in fact a civil contract and should be called so. Let people marry in their churches, mosques, temples. Get the state out of the marriage business altogether and make it stick to guaranteeing signed lawful contracts. The moment the state has hijacked marriage from the various religions, it has made it dysfunctional. That’s why we have gay marriage and why we have adoption rights for gays.

    • Agree: Mike P, Wizard of Oz, Talha
  101. Dr Anon says:

    I had to stop and comment when I read her advocating for banning cops at their deviant rally. For once, we agree! Let’s ban all protection for their little pride rallies and see how long those mutants last without big daddy government favoritism. They’d be a stain on the asphalt. Improvement for USA.

  102. @Dumbo

    Vancouver, CC (Chinese Columbia).

  103. APilgrim says:

    Anatomically, the Urethra is the ‘Front-Hole’ for both genders.

    The LGBT (Lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender) community has decided that the word “vagina” is not gender-inclusive. The new unbiased designation of vagina is “front hole.”

    According to Paul Craig Roberts, ‘Western Civilization Is Now A Caricature of Absurdity’ • AUGUST 21, 2018, http://www.unz.com/proberts/western-civilization-is-now-a-caricature-of-absurdity/ PCR does not generally deign to accept comments.

    • Replies: @Lin
  104. Lin says:
    @APilgrim

    From another side:
    Is it possible to create an extra cavity between the lower openning of the digestive tract and scrotum(/vagina)(through plastic surgery or otherwise) with the following attributes:

    1)Proximity to the prostate gland and..
    2)More muscular linings?
    3) (optional: implantation of remote-controlled micro-electrodes to prevent unauthorized intrusion at high voltage or to nerve stimulate at low voltage)
    An alternative female version near the vulva to accommodate certain periodicity&variation could also be considered.
    Imagine the positive impact on health care and lifestyle…………………
    ………
    Now seems those in ‘trak2′ life style also claim a vagina is just a hole like the other ‘holes’;
    Scientists should also bio-engineer a way to deliver the new borns through the rectum so that years from now, one could ask the fags if they popped out from someone’s rear ‘hole’. A hole is a hole, front hole or back hole shouldn’t make much difference, right ?

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    , @Anonymous
  105. APilgrim says:
    @Lin

    I was under the impression that lawyers were birthed rectally.

  106. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    I was making the distinction between dualistic pondering and direct nondualistic experience. Your mathematical analogy is a good one but it leaves me wondering if you’ve seen infinity, or just intuited it from a distance.

    I’m totally with you on all the religious BS though, although I’d like to make it clear that I consider karma and reincarnation to be likely metaphysical realities even if they have been abused to sustain a social hierarchy.

    • Replies: @Lin
  107. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    that reminds me of a joke.

    Hooker: Doctor, can you make a new hole between my anus and my vagina??

    Doctor: Why on Earth do you want that?

    Hooker: Business is going so well, I want to open another branch!

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  108. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    Infinity could be seen microscopically. Here’s the definition of the limit of function F(x) ,
    (say F(x) = tan x.)
    F(x) is said to approach A as x approaches a—-In mathematical language, it means, no matter how close is F(x) to A, say F(x)-A = d (or A-F(x) = d ) and d is a number as small as you like, I can always get a certain x = a to beat that such that F(a) – A <d ( or A- F(a) < d). Well, how do you get a very small non-zero number ? Just divide any fixed number say 1 by a very large number. So competing to go microscopic is a race to infinity
    ,,,,
    All the religious notions like 'karma and reincarnation' got to rest on positive improvement prospect of a person material or mental well being, lest the failure will just make such notions hollow or in the worst case like that of the hindus, became mental opioid to placate the downtrodden

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    Again, you’re pondering infinity from a distance. Real spiritual truths can be experienced, and will change a person for life.

    All the religious notions like ‘karma and reincarnation’ got to rest on positive improvement prospect of a person material or mental well being

    What if they’re genuine metaphysical facts? What’s so amazing about being born many times that isn’t amazing about being born once? Karma’s even simpler. It’s just cause and effect, on the nonmaterial plane.

    • Replies: @Lin
  110. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    “Real spiritual truths can be experienced, and will change a person for life….”
    I agree,like longing to reunite with the deceased loved ones and resulted positively in soothing one’s pain, propel one to continue one’s normal life.. great…. or more practically to duplicate the great deeds of ancient Greats as a form of ‘reincarnation’
    …..
    But I think to over-metaphysicize ‘spirituality’ is counter-productive particularly for poor 3rd worlders. Such spirituality is often just fatalism. Even if one lives in a developed country, such spirituality could become escapism from reality

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous

    Taint never heard that before. Or aft.

    Linh, you are an international treasure. Transitioning. I saw what you done did there.

  112. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    You see it only in utilitarian terms. I’m assuming you believe matter is real and the fundamental ground of reality. I disagree with this.

  113. Lin says:

    “You see it only in utilitarian terms. I’m assuming you believe matter is real and the fundamental ground of reality..”
    As a believer in the existence of a power God(s), be the entity a super-power intelligent ET alien or as Arthur Clarke(in 2001 a Space Oddessy) said certain multi-dimensional super being roaming the universe in ‘lattice of light’, there’s sometime undeniable, God(s)/Allah/Yahweh/Whatever view all existence, being it cybernetic, ‘physical’(as to human experience) or facets of human mind the same that he/she/whatever can wave ‘his’ ‘magic wand/finger’ and change one form of existence into another form instantaneously within a nanosecond; otherwise why bother to be an omnipotent God ?….
    We’re all humans, all expectations of ‘spirituality’, abstract/metaphysical-might be; must be ultimately be understood or felt by human perception. One can say his/her mind roams the time-space continuum but somehow he/she can’t survive without food and sound human interaction.
    In my experience, only hinduwadis BS regularly on their ‘ancient spiritual civilisation’ to ease their pain of lack of material/econ/tech progress.
    That’s well I consider all religious fundamentalism as blasphemy because they impose human semantics on a powerful entity beyond their understanding
    ……
    BTW, I once administered a community (amateur) astronomical Observatory (equipped with a 16″ RC telescope and a dome), limited my intellectual scope might be, I don’t BS.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  114. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    said certain multi-dimensional super being roaming the universe in ‘lattice of light’

    I find your writing style quite hard to understand, but this snippet implies that everything up to and including the supreme being (‘God/Allah’) exists within the universe. I disagree. I see that the universe is a mental construct of our own consciousness’s attempts to integrate the energies emanating from the supreme being. The supreme being itself just is.

    We’re all humans, all expectations of ‘spirituality’, abstract/metaphysical-might be; must be ultimately be understood or felt by human perception.

    Human perception doesn’t necessarily mean with our two material eyes. It is after all our consciousness that allows us to see with our material eyes, and our consciousness is no where near limited to relaying the outputs of our material senses.

    In my experience, only hinduwadis BS regularly on their ‘ancient spiritual civilisation’ to ease their pain of lack of material/econ/tech progress.

    Nah. Muslims love doing this too, except it was not quite so ancient (or so civilized).

    That’s well I consider all religious fundamentalism as blasphemy because they impose human semantics on a powerful entity beyond their understanding

    I agree completely.

    • Replies: @Lin
  115. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘said certain multi-dimensional super being roaming the universe in ‘lattice of light’
    “this snippet implies that everything up to and including the supreme being (‘God/Allah’) exists within the universe. I disagree…”
    Look, I just quoted something from Arthur Clarke about a supreme being that roams through the universe;Go read his ’2001 a space oddessy’. What do you mean by ‘exists within the universe’? OK the almight god exists outside the universe known to us, eh?
    –Why not call God’s realm the ‘alternative’ universe?
    –Isn’t ‘alternative’ universe’ part of the ‘Universe’?
    …..
    “Human perception doesn’t necessarily mean with our two material eyes. It is after all our consciousness that allows us to see with our material eyes”
    What’s so big deal about human perception other than biological states and tech aids? You tell me,you yourself a mortal being, can perceive things outside the larger Universe? Even the ancient ‘saints’, ‘prophets’..when they claimed they received messages from above, they said so in human terms and commented on earthy matters, ie all the parties and correspondences were of this known universe.
    I think you indulge too much in
    –either fantasies OR
    –your ethnic pride.
    Both are fine if you feel you can extend your ‘consciousness’ beyond to make you at ease or feel proud and happy. You see I’m not an atheist.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  116. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    OK the almight god exists outside the universe known to us, eh?

    God creates it. Like our computers create this website.

    –Why not call God’s realm the ‘alternative’ universe?

    God doesn’t need a realm. God creates realms.

    –Isn’t ‘alternative’ universe’ part of the ‘Universe’?

    It would be, hence it’s an invalid concept.

    What’s so big deal about human perception other than biological states and tech aids?

    Consciousness. It’s not made of atoms.

    You tell me,you yourself a mortal being, can perceive things outside the larger Universe?

    I can see God directly. I can perceive my own nature directly. Can atoms do that?

    Both are fine if you feel you can extend your ‘consciousness’ beyond to make you at ease or feel proud and happy.

    Self evident experiences are not fantasies. Like I said previously, people do from time attain supramundane perception and often have the urge to talk about it afterwards. It doesn’t always do them much good, as those who only know mundane perception tend to map everything back onto it.

    • Replies: @Lin
  117. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    God creates it. Like our computers create this website

    How do you know the known universe(on Earth)together with your god is just a cybernetic ‘universe’ created by a more powerful god inside his supercomputer as a refuge for the vanquished after your god and his minions was defeated by that more powerful god?

    God doesn’t need a realm. God creates realms.

    Its funny;Its like a bacterium commenting on humans; and the petri dish is the universe for bacteria. let me rephrase it:
    Human doesn’t need a petri dish. Human creates petri dishes and humans exist outside our (petri-dish) universe.
    Lesser but still powerful gods created sewage to accommodate lesser defeated bacteria

    Consciousness. It’s not made of atoms

    I’m sorry, if an asteroid collides with Earth and kills off all the humans, there’ll be no cells that made up brains(made of atoms) like yours. No more ‘consciousness’. Finido. Tell me if you had felt the consciousness of other dead souls killed by astroids eons ago.

    Self evident experiences are not fantasies. Like I said previously, people do from time attain supramundane perception and often have the urge to talk about it afterwards.

    Right, that’s why we have Mohamed flew to heaven riding Buraq (a flying horse with a human face), Yogic anti-gravity levitation, Mahabharata, a certain eastern power(china?)going to invade Israel with 200 million horse mounted troops…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  118. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    You seem to be stuck at the same place. You’re very good at cutting through religious bullshit, but you’re still failing to grok my wordview.

    Its funny;Its like a bacterium commenting on humans; and the petri dish is the universe for bacteria. let me rephrase it:
    Human doesn’t need a petri dish. Human creates petri dishes and humans exist outside our (petri-dish) universe.
    Lesser but still powerful gods created sewage to accommodate lesser defeated bacteria

    This is the distinction between God and gods. God is the root of reality, exists outside of the material world, and can only be perceived in an elevated state of consciousness. Conversely, ‘gods’ are just high powered incarnate deities that are not qualitatively different to any other incarnate being. Bacteria, Humans, dogs, gods, they’re all the same.

    I’m sorry, if an asteroid collides with Earth and kills off all the humans, there’ll be no cells that made up brains(made of atoms) like yours. No more ‘consciousness’. Finido.

    Here is the crux of where we disagree. You believe that consciousness arises from physical matter and hence would be destroyed by an asteroid. I see that consciousness is the real groundstate underpinning reality and that the asteroid would only be able to destroy material awareness. At that point, it would be like the space between dreams and how much one perceives would be dependent upon the level of awareness attained. Most people are unconscious when sleeping and un-self-aware while dreaming, while some people are able to attain self awareness while dreaming (lucid dreams), and some are even able to maintain self awareness through the whole of the night, including during deep sleep.

    According to my reading of the tibetan book of the dead and it’s interpretations/derivations, I would logically expect that the consciousnesses of the souls of the 7 billion deceased earthlings would gradually reattune towards other realms of existence, and would gradually move towards taking birth once again. This wouldn’t necessarily be in the same physical universe. In fact, assuming that Earth is the only host of self aware incarnate beings in our universe, I’d assume the earth universe would collapse back to the level of highest consciousness still incarnate. Possibly those bacteria!

    Put it this way, I see the movements of consciousness itself to be the prime reality and all of this human existence nonsense to be a secondary output.

    Right, that’s why we have Mohamed flew to heaven riding Buraq (a flying horse with a human face), Yogic anti-gravity levitation, Mahabharata, a certain eastern power(china?)going to invade Israel with 200 million horse mounted troops…

    This is all bullshit. To quote the Bhagavad Gita, “Men of lesser intelligence are attached to the flowery words of the Vedas”. Most religious texts are extremely bullshit-heavy and unfortunately convince many people that there genuinely is nothing worth learning.

    I’d recommend reading The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying by Sogyal Rinpoche. Previously, I’ve recommended this book to Talha also!

    • Replies: @Talha
  119. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    God is the root of reality, exists outside of the material world, and can only be perceived in an elevated state of consciousness.

    Wow – pretty solid there, bro! The only thing I would offer is that there is no “outside of the material world” for God anymore than there is “inside of the material world” since God transcends space and “outside” and “inside” are qualities of objects that have some sort of physical composition (or at least locus in a directional sense). But I have a hunch this is simply semantic and that we both agree on the concept.

    Conversely, ‘gods’ are just high powered incarnate deities that are not qualitatively different to any other incarnate being.

    Agreed, God is beyond categories or genus – if there is a category called ‘gods’, God is absolutely independent of it.

    I’m enjoying observing the exchange.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  120. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    But I have a hunch this is simply semantic and that we both agree on the concept.

    We already agree but your refinement is still welcome. Describing God is like trying to write Pi in base 10. You just added a couple of decimal places!

    Agreed, God is beyond categories or genus – if there is a category called ‘gods’, God is absolutely independent of it.

    There are many categories of gods, defined differently by different belief systems. The Hindu system is particularly interesting as they define an absolute abundance of gods, while each Hindu may also see one of them as God. So the lower gods may be similar to Western gods like Wotan or Thor, while a Hindu is likely to see one of the higher ranking gods as God. For a Hare Krsna, Krsna himself is both God and a god while another Hindu may see Shiva as God, and Krsna merely as a god or even just as a prophet. I rather like the Hindu approach because the confusion becomes very obvious. Followers of other religions can get just as confused, but it’s much harder to get them to admit it!

    Talha, I’m curious how you feel about what Lin said earlier:

    That’s well I consider all religious fundamentalism as blasphemy because they impose human semantics on a powerful entity beyond their understanding

    How do you reconcile this with your own fundamentalism? You seem to believe that the Koran is absolutely correct and that it is the duty of a Muslim to submit to its directions. But then again, if you also believe God is beyond categories or genus then why should one particular bit of dead tree be infallible?

    • Replies: @Talha
  121. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    How do you reconcile this with your own fundamentalism?

    I would much rather use the term orthodoxy since fundamentalism is a very loaded term. But again, I think we are talking about the same thing; adherence to doctrines and practices as defined by the traditional, normative voice of the religion (usually defined by its educated priests, scholars, institutions, etc.). In which case, I would say; yes, I follow the normative tradition.

    You seem to believe that the Koran is absolutely correct and that it is the duty of a Muslim to submit to its directions.

    Yes. This and the hadith and the examples of the first generations and the rulings derived from the aforementioned.

    But then again, if you also believe God is beyond categories or genus then why should one particular bit of dead tree be infallible?

    Believing in a transcendent God does not negate believing in the validity of a particular religious doctrine if one actually believes that doctrine is what God intends human beings to follow. As Mawlana Rumi (ra) stated:

    If I can draw an analogy…we are all like ships that have left the harbor and are to dock at another one far away. In order to get there, we must choose from a set of directions to navigate our path. One must decide what makes more sense to one; is God only interested in where one arrives, or also the path one took to get there?

    Religion (as a set of rules and regulations) is also very useful in terms of benefits to society and the individual; for instance, warding off the Poz.

    I hope that helps.

    Peace.

    For a great read on the idea of God from the Muslim perspective:
    “There is nothing like unto Him, yet He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” (42:11)
    “Anything that comes to your mind, anything that you can comprehend, anything that you can picture – God is other than that. There is absolutely nothing that can be imagined that can be likened to God…”
    “The closest companion of the Prophet (pbuh), Abu Bakr (ra) said in beautiful Arabic poetry what translates to:
    ‘Your inability to comprehend God is your comprehension of God
    And delving into the nature of God is a type of polytheism’”

    https://mohamedghilan.com/2012/01/28/talking-about-god/

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  122. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Believing in a transcendent God does not negate believing in the validity of a particular religious doctrine if one actually believes that doctrine is what God intends human beings to follow.

    That’s true. But how can one go infinite possibility down to Ein Ummah, Ein Kitab, Ein Nabi? To me it seems blasphemous to exclude all of the other possibilities. What if a really awesome new prophet appears tomorrow and starts enlightening people left right and center? An open minded person may benefit, whereas a Muslim will reject them on the principal that there can be no more prophets, because the book says so.

    If I can draw an analogy…we are all like ships that have left the harbor and are to dock at another one far away. In order to get there, we must choose from a set of directions to navigate our path. One must decide what makes more sense to one; is God only interested in where one arrives, or also the path one took to get there?

    God doesn’t give a monkeys. When drops of divine consciousness choose to sail around the ocean of duality, that’s our undertaking and our problem entirely!

    Futhermore, Oceans are made of water. They’re big, and undifferentiated. You can sail whichever way you damned well please. Some ways may be shorter due to the curvature of the Earth, and some ways may be easier due to prevailing winds. Other ways may give relief from extremes of temperature, while other ways may give relief from storms. Some ways may offer great seal fishing, while some ways may offer more scenic views of the land. Within each set of commonly chosen routes, there is an infinite variation of actual routes. The ocean has no rails!

    Religion (as a set of rules and regulations) is also very useful in terms of benefits to society and the individual; for instance, warding off the Poz.

    Bwahaha. Then again, I’m not so sure. Islam keeps women wrapped up, which makes men desperate. I saw a documentary on bus stations in Pakistan and it turns out that bumming little boys is a national sport. I can also speak from personal experience in Indonesia and say that Islam makes people afraid to talk about sex, which means teenagers are completely ignorant about safe sex and afraid to buy condoms at any rate. It results in a lot of unwanted pregnancy, and probably a few Pozzings too.

    For a great read on the idea of God from the Muslim perspective:

    Thanks Talha. I’ll read this later.

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  123. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    To me it seems blasphemous to exclude all of the other possibilities.

    To a certain degree, we don’t. Muslims fully acknowledge that the religious sages of the past may well have been prophets and divinely guided emissaries – we just don’t know. But we also don’t really have confidence in the preservation of what they may have come with. So for instance, there is generally agree there was a wise teacher who many have termed Lao Tzu (from China). However, people are still debating whether all of what we think we have from him are actually his words:

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/laozi/#DatAutLao

    What if a really awesome new prophet appears tomorrow and starts enlightening people left right and center?

    Sure, one must make a decision point. Is it possible that God could keep on sending messengers? Sure, totally possible. Is it possible God has stopped? Sure, totally possible. One follows what appeals to them.

    God doesn’t give

    Another decision point. Is it possible God doesn’t care? Sure, totally. Is it possible God very much does care? Absolutely. One follows what appeals to them.

    Then again, I’m not so sure.

    Yup – all human endeavors have multiple points of failure and things that could be tuned finer. Thus far, Muslim lands seem to be the most resistant to poz (in a general sense).

    bumming little boys is a national sport

    I’m not sure it’s a big thing all over the country, but probably common among those guys and, likely, truck drivers as well. Wouldn’t surprise me.

    Islam makes people afraid to talk about sex

    It shouldn’t necessarily, but there are proper ways to broach and learn about the subject. I’m figuring the condom is not an issue in the situation – the fact that the guy is fornicating is.

    Peace.

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  124. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Sure, one must make a decision point. Is it possible that God could keep on sending messengers? Sure, totally possible. Is it possible God has stopped? Sure, totally possible. One follows what appeals to them.

    So you’re open to the idea that a Muslim may find their path taking them towards God yet away from orthodox Islam? We’d be looking at a story like in the book “A Catholic Priest Meets Sai Baba” ( https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Priest-Meets-Sai-Baba/dp/0962983519 )

    I’m not sure it’s a big thing all over the country, but probably common among those guys and, likely, truck drivers as well. Wouldn’t surprise me.

    I get a general feeling of background homosexuality in a lot of Muslim countries. Women are so much in the background that men just don’t see them as sexual objects. Pakistan has the truck stops, Afghanistan has Bacca Bazzi, and Turkey has a massive absence of women in public life. I hear Saudi and the gulf states are even worse.

    It shouldn’t necessarily, but there are proper ways to broach and learn about the subject.

    Unfortunately, Muslims are massively shy about sex. Not just sex, either. Try breaking wind in front of a Chinaman, and then try breaking wind in front of a Muslim. The Chinaman won’t even notice, while the Muslim will get awkward. Islam and Christianity both pretend that people aren’t animals, which is kinda crazy because that’s half of our nature.

    I’m figuring the condom is not an issue in the situation – the fact that the guy is fornicating is.

    Young guys love to fuck. They need to! It’s one of the transformative life experiences. A repressed sexual libido can screw someone up big time. But what else should they do? Take a bus to Pakistan?

    If someone’s born a saint, they might not benefit from sex. But for normal people, it’s proper and good. And if marriage isn’t possible or advisable at that time, why not allow protected sex with a girlfriend?

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  125. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    So you’re open to the idea that a Muslim may find their path taking them towards God yet away from orthodox Islam?

    I’m open to the fact that some take this route. I would not recommend it though for the ramifications in the afterlife.

    I get a general feeling of background homosexuality in a lot of Muslim countries.

    I both lived in Muslim countries and have traveled through them. I know plenty of others that have settled down in them or also traveled in them. Sodomy definitely happens (and is usually done in private for obvious reasons), and you have phenomena like bacha bazi of course or cross-dressing in certain parts of Indonesia, but I’ve never heard any concerns that it is a massive or widespread problem.

    The Chinaman won’t even notice, while the Muslim will get awkward.

    Uh yeah – you just broke wind audibly in front of them. Look, this is a cultural issue. I have a friend who married into Afghani culture. For them, blowing your nose publicly is probably far worse than anything else.

    Islam and Christianity both pretend that people aren’t animals

    I can’t speak to Christianity, but Islam acknowledges plenty of natural human desires, which is why it has room for polygamy and a bunch of other things we get called out for. But it definitely assumes we are above animals in expectations of morals and etiquette. Plenty animals also use urine and feces to mark territory.

    But what else should they do?

    What human beings have been doing for centuries and centuries; get married as early as you are capable. Otherwise you can have a society with free sex – no problem – you just have to deal with the consequences.

    And if marriage isn’t possible or advisable at that time, why not allow protected sex with a girlfriend?

    If too many young men are having a difficulty getting married within a reasonably young age, something has gone wrong with society. As I said, before – feel free to introduce free sex into society and see what happens.

    Peace.

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  126. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I’m open to the fact that some take this route. I would not recommend it though for the ramifications in the afterlife.

    Afterlife is another Islamic/Christian concept that is very hard for me to take seriously. There’s inherently zero proof of it, and the concept itself seems to be a dumbing down of the Indian concept of reincarnation. Unlike the Middle Easterners, the Indians actually have a mechanism and a detailed description of the process. This suggests to me that the Hindu concept of reincarnation is based on original insight, whereas ‘eternal afterlife’ is a watered down crowd pleaser.

    If too many young men are having a difficulty getting married within a reasonably young age, something has gone wrong with society.

    Marriage is both physical and spiritual. The body may be ready at 15, but the spirit may not be ready until twice that age. Better to let people wait until they are ready than to let sexual desire force a bad marriage. In the time of the prophet, life was probably very simple, much like it is in rural villages in 3rd world countries today. A young man growing up in an isolated village in Tajikistan has probably already become king of his world by the time he is 16, hence is looking towards procreation. A first world kid of the same age hasn’t even graduated high school, let alone found his spiritual path and attained the stable income needed for child rearing. So it seems that changing times have created a rift, which is not catered for by no-sex-outside-marriage.

    I feel it could be safely dealt with by some kind of premarital (or even extramarital) sexual service. I think much in the same way that technological advances have rendered pork safe to eat and dogs safe to touch, a sensible approach could allow for safe sex to be provided.

    In a way, bacca bazi is probably trying to provide the same thing. I just feel it could be better done if it involved women instead of small boys!

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  127. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s inherently zero proof of it

    No, not empirically. It’s predicated on belief. It makes rational sense if one assumes this life is a test for which one will be judged and then rewarded or punished.

    Hindu concept of reincarnation

    And there’s the rub right; if the Hindus are right – oops, press reset and try again. If we’re right; damn, screwed up my one chance to get it right. It’s Pascal’s wager – depends on how lucky one is feeling.

    In the time of the prophet, life was probably very simple

    Yup and average life expectancy was fairly low. I’ve read that it was in the mid-thirties in parts of Europe in the 13th-14th century so I can’t imagine it was higher in the deserts of Arabia – obviously a society would build itself along those parameters.

    In a way, bacca bazi is probably trying to provide the same thing.

    Doubtful. Plenty of married and older men participate in it – it’s a degenerate practice. The Taliban punished it by death, but we knocked them out of power so it’s back.

    I feel it could be safely dealt with by some kind of premarital (or even extramarital) sexual service.

    Well, get ready, because this stuff is coming our way:

    Again, human beings have generally tried to keep sexual mores a certain way for centuries for a good reason. I guess we can decide to throw all that out the window and track a new path. It seems though that whichever countries have decided to go that path, their populations are in a nosedive and nobody can figure out a way to get them out of it. Now if population implosion is not a concern, then that concern can be swept aside.

    Peace.

  128. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    No, not empirically. It’s predicated on belief. It makes rational sense if one assumes this life is a test for which one will be judged and then rewarded or punished.

    So it’s predicated based on blind faith in an old book? Hmm no thanks.

    And there’s the rub right; if the Hindus are right – oops, press reset and try again. If we’re right; damn, screwed up my one chance to get it right. It’s Pascal’s wager – depends on how lucky one is feeling.

    This assumes perfect ignorance is the best one can do. I think it’s certainly the best a Muslim or Christian can do, but I think Hindu/Buddhist practitioners can get glimpses into the rebirth process even during this lifetime. It’s about looking deep inside and making note of what you find, rather than just reading and hoping.

    Yup and average life expectancy was fairly low. I’ve read that it was in the mid-thirties in parts of Europe in the 13th-14th century so I can’t imagine it was higher in the deserts of Arabia – obviously a society would build itself along those parameters.

    Exactly. The system of sexual morality evolved to favour an r-selective reproduction strategy. That was then, but this is now, and K-selective is the way to go.

    It seems though that whichever countries have decided to go that path, their populations are in a nosedive and nobody can figure out a way to get them out of it. Now if population implosion is not a concern, then that concern can be swept aside.

    But then again, the traditional countries are suffering a population explosion. Bangladesh is so populated and, as a result, so impoverished that it’s spraying out migrant workers like some gigantic quasar. Which is more dangerous to future survival? Underpopulation or overpopulation? I really don’t see much problem with the former as long as the natives can keep immigrants out.

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  129. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    So it’s predicated based on blind faith in an old book?

    Not exactly. Everything one approaches on this subject is rife with faith or belief based on calculated assumptions. It is a question of epistemology.

    For instance, you talk about Hindu and Buddhist masters and their practices and related wisdom regarding the concept of reincarnation based on their experiences. If one has experienced the same spiritual experiences and insights on their own, that is one thing. Otherwise multiple assumptions are being made when learning from their teachings:
    1. They are not lying about their experiences
    2. They are not misinterpreting their experiences
    3. Anything related or reported from them is reliable and preserved without corruption

    All of the above are based on some level of faith.

    With us, the multiple assumptions of faith are that; 1) there were prophets that had experiences where the Divine communicated with them, 2) they did not falsify what they received and 3) it was subsequently preserved and transmitted until it reaches us.

    It’s about looking deep inside and making note of what you find

    Sure, and plenty of Sufis in the Islamic tradition have written about their mystical experiences and used these as teaching points for their students. Visions, dreams, etc. of the afterlife – including the grave, paradise and hell are common. The results of one’s efforts and experience are termed ‘kashf’ and Imam Ghazali (ra) – one of the greatest Sunni theologians – was very clear about how important this is to our tradition:
    “When the Muslim jurist and theologian al-Ghazālī (d. 1111) felt that philosophy and speculative theology had failed him, he turned wholeheartedly to Sufism, abandoning his teaching profession in the hope of finding the peace of mind that he did not find in his intellectual pursuits. After a period of mystical contemplation, he became certain that pure philosophical systems are contradictory and illusory and that the intellect should be used only to destroy trust in human logic. He concluded that kashf is the only means through which true and trustworthy knowledge can be attained and described it as ‘a light with which God floods the heart of the believer.’”

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/kashf

    This was the case even with Christian mystics (they used to be more in number in the past). But of course, all of these people report different experiences so what does one do? One must figure out a way to map out which one is the more reliable. Maybe one way is to sit and study with each one to figure out the most reliable tradition, don’t know.

    K-selective is the way to go

    Perhaps, as usual with these kinds of strategies – the proof is in the pudding so I guess we’ll have to wait to see how it pans out.

    Underpopulation or overpopulation?

    Don’t know – again, as in the above point, we’ll have to wait to see how things go – I’m certainly not confident about predicting the future.

    Peace.

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  130. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    For instance, you talk about Hindu and Buddhist masters and their practices and related wisdom regarding the concept of reincarnation based on their experiences. If one has experienced the same spiritual experiences and insights on their own, that is one thing.

    Definitely. And the greatness of the Indian tradition is that it has not just provided doctrine, it has also provided the tools needed for individuals to may their own assays and verifications. One could say it’s open source!

    With us, the multiple assumptions of faith are that; 1) there were prophets that had experiences where the Divine communicated with them, 2) they did not falsify what they received and 3) it was subsequently preserved and transmitted until it reaches us.

    1 & 2 are reasonable assumptions, although a larger sample size would be preferable. 3 is a massive shot in the dark. That was 1,400 years ago and error checking is essential for any kind of reliable propagation. Not just error checking of the actual texts (I understand many of these holy books have checksums built in) but checking of the truths alluded to.

    Imam Ghazali (ra) – one of the greatest Sunni theologians – was very clear about how important this is to our tradition:

    That quote was enlightening. Yes, this is a gentleman who truly got it.

    But of course, all of these people report different experiences so what does one do? One must figure out a way to map out which one is the more reliable. Maybe one way is to sit and study with each one to figure out the most reliable tradition, don’t know.

    What is reliable is what happens for you. I really don’t think there is any substitute for personal explorations. If it was up to me, all Muslims would be Sufis!

    Perhaps we should wrap this discussion up now? There are probably only two people reading it!

    Peace, Talha.

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  131. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    That was 1,400 years ago and error checking is essential for any kind of reliable propagation.

    Yup – we are the youngest of the major traditions on the block. We learned from the mistakes of others in this regard which is why preservation of the source texts and chains of transmission as well as evaluating the transmitters is part of the package:

    http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095957969

    Did you know we have actually preserved the phonetic transmission of the Qur’an? I mean the proper articulation of it is a science by itself.

    Even so, one has to have a modicum of faith that the scholars were reliable in their transmission and didn’t conspire (as a massive group) to distort it. I don’t think there is any way to completely escape that.

    I really don’t think there is any substitute for personal explorations.

    Imam Ghazali (ra) would concur.

    If it was up to me, all Muslims would be Sufis!

    Emphatically agree!!!

    Perhaps we should wrap this discussion up now? There are probably only two people reading it!

    LOL! Probably right – thanks for the lively discussion.

    Peace.

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  132. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Emphatically agree!!!

    Now you’ve caught me off guard. Previous conversations gave me that impression that you are were fundamentalist/literalist but now you’ve gone full blown Sufi on me!

    LOL! Probably right – thanks for the lively discussion.

    You too, Talha!

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  133. Linh, you discussed this article on your recent interview with Kevin Barrett. You asked why the major push for legal protections for fringe minority groups. Why is it so “crucial?” The answer is the oligarchy uses sexual freedom as a form of political control.

    Please listen to this interview and decide for yourself if this conclusion makes sense.

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