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Smaller than California and settled for millennia, how can Vietnam even have a frontier?! But that’s what the Central Highlands were until very recently. Some of the heaviest fighting during the Vietnam War prevented Vietnamese from moving there en masse, but now they’re swarming all over. With nearly a hundred million people on so little real estate, no parcel can be left unmolested.

Moving in, Vietnamese build Buddhist temples to assert their culture and sanctify their presence. In Krong Buk, an unfinished temple features a huge Buddha on its roof, visible from a quarter mile away. A lot of money is being put into this. At the back of the temple compound, there’s an artificial mountain range, with Guan Yin, the widely venerated female bodhisattva, standing in a grotto at the top.

Next to a tiny pond, there are, rather surprisingly, ceramic statues of Chí Phèo and Thị Nở, two physically repulsive, destitute and outcast characters from Nam Cao’s 1941 short story. Their brief love affair is one of the most poignant and well known in Vietnamese fiction. You know you’ve written a classic when even the illiterates know your characters. Of course, many people only know of Chí Phèo and Thị Nở from the film version of the story.

Each culture is its own universe, with an infinity of moving, funny or appalling references inaccessible to outsiders. The Rade living nearby would not be able to identify Chí Phèo and Thị Nở, nor do they know the significance of any street name in their rapidly reshaped landscape, but their children will, for they’re being Vietnamized in schools.

For four months now, I’ve been living in the Central Highlands, in Ea Kly, a merely functional town with no attractions to speak of. There is a hotel, but it’s meant to be rented by the hour. A pleasant cafe attached to it is empty most of the time, for locals don’t want to be suspected of enjoying some extramarital loving, just for drinking a cup of coffee with condensed milk.

This is a region settled by desperados, outcasts and the dispossessed. Over duck meat and rice wine, a 47-year-old man, Hĩnh, told me, “We were poor in the North, but it was even worse here, at first. Back then, our people had to go into Rade orchards to steal cassavas, jackfruits and whatever else. Starving, you must steal, and that’s that. Some people couldn’t take it, so they tried to go back North, but many simply died!” Hĩnh laughed.

Having endured all that, Hĩnh now has a reasonably spacious house, plus land on which he grows black pepper, avocadoes and jackfruits, raises chickens and ducks. To make money, he paints houses mostly, but also does farm work for hire, like most people in Ea Kly.

Dropping by last week, I found Hĩnh and half a dozen men sitting cross legged on a straw mat, eating tiny snails which they poked and twisted out with toothpicks. There was just enough meat in each gastropod to dip in the spicy and garlicky fish sauce. While everyone drank the home-distilled rice wine with shot glasses, constantly refilled, the bare chested Hĩnh downed his with a beer mug, and it was only a Monday.

These people are rugged and resourceful. I met a native of Thừa Thiên, near Huế. At age 14, he hopped a train to reach the Central Highlands, 260 miles away. Doing all sorts of physical work, he made enough money to bring his parents down, get married, buy land and build a house, plus a shack near a lake where he now fishes.

Entering this crude, messy dwelling, I was greeted by the quacking of many penned ducklings and the cluck, clucking of a hen, about to hop on the only bed. Three hammocks were slung at chaotic angles, plastic bags hung from nails and two blacken pots sat over a wood fire.

For lunch, the wiry middle-aged man grilled up some fish, just caught, with the grill half of an electric fan’s casing. The slightly seared, succulent fish was then placed on banana leaves, to be wrapped with assorted leaves, plucked from nearby trees. Quang Nam noodles with chicken [mì quảng] were also served, and moonshine was brought out in a jerrycan. Sitting on the ground, under lush, towering trees, a dozen people enjoyed this feast. It was one of the best meals of my life.

Leaving his much nicer house mostly empty, he spends the bulk of his time in this primitive, out of the way shack, and I suspect it’s because he’s still a frontiersman at heart.

Over civilized, with our lives codified to the smallest details, we find innumerable ways to regain, if only fleetingly, our more savage or spontaneous selves, so we go camping, hunt, visit foreign lands where our actions are decoupled from familiar meanings, join the army under false assumptions, lose ourselves in pornography, binge drink until the darkest hours, pull our pants down at less than ideal moments or enroll in a naked yoga class, etc.

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Just moving away from the known can be thrilling. In Roughing It, Mark Twain describes the beginning of his journey West, “The stage whirled along at a spanking gait, the breeze flapping curtains and suspended coats in a most exhilarating way; the cradle swayed and swung luxuriously, the pattering of the horses’ hoofs, the cracking of the driver’s whip, and his ‘Hi-yi! g’lang!’ were music; the spinning ground and the waltzing trees appeared to give us a mute hurrah as we went by, and then slack up and look after us with interest, or envy, or something; and as we lay and smoked the pipe of peace and compared all this luxury with the years of tiresome city life that had gone before it, we felt that there was only one complete and satisfying happiness in the world, and we had found it.”

The frontier is where the hold of civilization, tradition and the state are weaker, and nowhere was this felt more exhilaratingly than the American West. Discussing Twain, George Orwell wrote in 1943, “The raftsmen, Mississippi pilots, miners and bandits whom he describes are probably not much exaggerated, but they are as different from modern men, and from one another, as the gargoyles of a medieval cathedral. They could develop their strange and sometimes sinister individuality because of the lack of any outside pressure. The State hardly existed, the churches were weak and spoke with many voices, and land was to be had for the taking. If you disliked your job you simply hit the boss in the eye and moved further west […] The American pioneers were not supermen, and they were not especially courageous. Whole towns of hardy gold miners let themselves be terrorized by bandits whom they lacked the public spirit to put down. They were not even free from class distinctions […] But at least it was not the case that a man’s destiny was settled from his birth. The ‘log cabin to White House’ myth was true while the free land lasted. In a way, it was for this that the Paris mob had stormed the Bastille, and when one reads Mark Twain, Bret Harte and Whitman it is hard to feel that their effort was wasted.”

That freedom is long gone, for the state always catches up with the pioneers to impose its endless rules.

One of the oddest escape from civilization stories I’ve come across is of a Korean who lived in the Central Highlands for twenty years and left behind fifteen children, all with one woman, a Rade who died of a broken heart soon after he left.

When his daughter-in-law told me about this character, I said no way, for South Korean soldiers only arrived in Vietnam in the 60’s, but she insisted that he was indeed Korean, so I figured he must have served in the Japanese Army during World War II. The man stayed behind and lived among the Rade, in a house on stilts with no electricity or running water. Women walked around bare breasted. When the Vietnam War became increasingly savage, the old Korean finally went home, to die.

Near the end of the Japanese occupation, up to two million Vietnamese died of starvation, a calamity barely registered even in Vietnamese history books. Though my grandma lived through this, she never talked about it until her last few years, as dementia unblocked distant memories and loosened her tongue. Many Vietnamese, though, can cite their own experience of near starvation from the 1980’s, before the government finally wised up and backed away from a state-monopolized, micro-managed economy, i.e. socialism. My poet friend Phan Nhien Hao told me that when he was in college during this time, he desperately craved food all day long.

No strangers to food insecurity, Vietnamese don’t tend to waste anything edible, and this is even truer of rural areas, where farmers and fishermen grow, raise or catch food. To them, this earth is but a vast menu, and just about anything that moves can be butchered and marinated.

Vietnamese are not squeamish. Until half a century ago, nearly all of them were farmers, and even today, a typical housewife goes to the market to see all sorts of animal carcasses displayed, as well as skinned frogs still alive, purple and wriggling, to show how fresh they are. Goats are traditionally killed by beating, so they can sweat out all their funk. Nature, often stinking, is never far away.

Vietnam is still far behind the West in the flight from nature and against it, but this is to its advantage, I believe, for its people still retain the essentials to endure whatever comes next.

Last week, we used a mousetrap to catch ten squirrels, right behind our plastic recycling plant. Squirrel is a bit like frog, sweet and tender, but meatier.

One of our employees, Mr. Long, had a cat that failed to catch any mouse for an entire year and, worse, often wandered off, so he decided to slaughter it and invite half a dozen people over. I brought a case of Saigon Beer.

Cat can’t touch dog, I’m sorry. One of the best Vietnamese essays ever is a paean to dogmeat. It’s a chapter in Vũ Bằng’s 1952 book, Miếng Ngon Hà Nội [Hanoi Delicacies]. Whimsically ecstatic, he compares the fragrance of dogmeat to that of a young woman, and dogmeat stewed in plum wine to Johann Strauss’ The Blue Danube Waltz! In an often quoted passage, Vũ Bằng states that, “nine times out of ten,” a lovelorn incipient suicide would change his mind if you would just treat him to dogmeat.

Increasingly urbanized and westernized Vietnamese are appalled by such culinary habits, needless to say, and my own wife has even threatened me with divorce should I persist in devouring dogs, cats and squirrels, but no man should have to choose between his significant other and dogmeat. It’s not a fair contest, to the wife. Like any adulterer, I just need to keep my vice secret, that’s all.

Some of the best, most vigorous Americans ever loved dogmeat. Lewis and Clark’s Corps of Discovery digested over two hundred dogs, and their diaries are filled with accounts of buying or bartering dogs from Indians. Patrick Gass on October 11th, 1805, “Here we got more fish and dogs. Most of our people having been accustomed to meat, do not relish the fish, but prefer dog meat; which, when well cooked, tastes very well.” William Clark on October 23rd, 1805, “we purchased 8 dogs, Small & fat for our party to eate, the Indians not verry fond of Selling their good fish, compells us to make use of dogs for food.” On and on, it goes.

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Merrywhether Lewis on April 13th, 1806, “I also purchased four paddles and three dogs from them with deerskins. the dog now constitutes a considerable part of our subsistence and with most of the party has become a favorite food; certain I am that it is a healthy strong diet, and from habit it has become by no means disagreeable to me, I prefer it to lean venison or Elk, and is very far superior to the horse in any state.”

An Indian even mocked them for eating dogs. Lewis on May 5th, 1806, “while at dinner an indian fellow verry impertinently threw a poor half starved puppy nearly into my plait by way of derision for our eating dogs and laughed very heartily at his own impertinence; I was so provoked at his insolence that I caught the puppy and thew it with great violence at him and struk him in the breast and face, siezed my tomahawk and shewed him by signs if he repeated his insolence I would tommahawk him, ther fellow withdrew apparently much mortifyed and I continued my repast on dog without further molestation.”

The first Americans had to be more savage than the Indians to overcome them, but then civilization settled in, so that by 1783, Benjamin Franklin could already quote an Indian elder complaining, “Several of our young People were formerly brought up at the Colleges of the Northern Provinces; they were instructed in all your Sciences; but when they came back to us they were bad Runners ignorant of every means of living in the Woods, unable to bear either Cold or Hunger, knew neither how to build a Cabin, take a Deer or kill an Enemy, spoke our Language imperfectly, were therefore neither fit for Hunters Warriors, or Counsellors, they were totally good for nothing.”

If Lewis, Clark and their men were, say, vegans, they could not have made the expedition, but of course, Westward Expansion itself is now seen as deeply shameful by many Americans, so it would have been better had this genocidal and land grabbing venture never happened, but they don’t really mean this, ensconced as they are in some leafy suburb, built over Indian bones. “Give the native Americans back their land,” many even demand, knowing it won’t ever happen, and they’ll get indignant if you say “Indians” instead of “First Nation.”

Ever the realist, Orwell wrote in 1942, “No one, in our time, believes in any sanction greater than military power; no one believes that it is possible to overcome force except by greater force. There is no ‘law,’ there is only power.”

And, “All left-wing parties in the highly industrialised countries are at bottom a sham, because they make it their business to fight against something which they do not really wish to destroy. They have internationalist aims, and at the same time they struggle to keep up a standard of life with which those aims are incompatible. We all live by robbing Asiatic coolies, and those of us who are ‘enlightened’ all maintain that those coolies ought to be set free; but our standard of living, and hence our ‘enlightenment,’ demands that the robbery shall continue.”

Vietnamese understand perfectly that power underpins all human relations, so they act accordingly. There’s a proverb, “The smart eat men, the stupid are eaten,” so life’s first aim is to avoid being devoured.

Though it has been the most aggressive nation for over a century, the United States insists on defining its domineering streak, war profiteering or even sadism as selfless benevolence. We’re only destroying this country to save it from itself.

America’s internal critics, however, goes entirely the other way by denouncing force in all circumstances. Plus, there’s no homeland to defend, for we are all one in universal brotherhood. Absolved by such correct thinking, they can root for the disfigurement or destruction of any society, including their own.

With no frontiers left to speak of, lunatics moon at mars while the sophomoric are vehement that a more forceful push for socialism would finally deliver utopia. Me, I believe the future belongs to those who are ankle deep in mud.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Charles says:

    Lihn I suddenly understand why I like your writing – it gives wisdom rather than simply facts. The historian (I’m stealing from Alan Watts on this) gives us the facts, but the story-teller gives us the wisdom. As to the consumption of dog meat, it is particularly anathema to Americans because so many see and treat their pets as their children – even more so when said people have no children. It’s IMO a kind of perversion of a love people should feel for other people, but instead is transferred to a pet. Naturally in many ways the pet is a much “safer” object of affection, I understand that. In any event I look foward to your next installment.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
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  2. This is just brilliant writing, really, and the photos are great, too.

  3. “.. no man should have to choose between his significant other and dogmeat. It’s not a fair contest, to the wife.”

    YOMANK

  4. Jason says:

    This article tells me that there is little difference between the Vietnamese and Americans (or any Western country). More’s the pity. But that is to be expected because people are essentially the same anywhere.

  5. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    A wonderful read. Walks you through reality, no matter how grim, making you live it — and enjoy it. To think much of what Linh writes brings to life a vanishing people and their lifestyles. And bringing out the spontaneity and fullness of their humanity with such aplomb. The onward march of modernity and all its social ills — solitude and life bereft of meaning, quality and real purpose, not to mention measured indulgence, seems ever threatening. Long may such traits be delayed.

    Sitting on the ground, under lush, towering trees, a dozen people enjoyed this feast. It was one of the best meals of my life.

    Fabulous! No plastic utopias and their perfections, just one’s capacity to relish, to let go and subconsciously create memories of what will become an otherwise irretrievable past. It is only in memories we create that we are able to relive the past. It is less the quality of the food we eat that counts, but who we share it with.

    Your writings ennoble people living in societies that many regard as barbaric and backward, generating in their midst an ever growing number of self loathers. I have known all along that being born and raised in one such society had its redeeming aspects and Linh’s writing reaffirms that for me.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  6. Sergio says:

    They are disgusting bastrd, worst than dogs. Homo homini lupus est. Kill the bastrds.

    • Replies: @Justsaying
  7. SafeNow says:

    “little difference between the Vietnamese and Americans”

    I disagree with that comment to an essay that discusses behavior toward dogs. I think virtually all Americans love dogs, including dogs that are not members of their own family. When an incident of cruelty toward a dog is on the news, Americans are shocked and saddened. The Coast Guard and firefighters routinely rescue dogs.

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    , @Randy
  8. Biff says:

    Plus, there’s no homeland to defend,

    The homeland is an abstract; a power structure. Gone is the perimeter, piece of property, and a group of homogeneous individuals born into it. It is defense of an ideology, a doctrine non too different than a religion – the ceremonies, rituals, days of tribute infiltrate everyday life.

    Like religion, simple logic must be abandoned to never question concepts of crusading wars far outside of homeland perimeters Solidifying the belief system to never abandon what is always black and white; what is evil and what is good.

    • Replies: @anon
  9. Linh Dinh: “That freedom is long gone, for the state always catches up with the pioneers to impose its endless rules.”

    This seems an oversimplification. What actually happens is that the state’s intrusion becomes demanded by the pioneers, because they begin engaging in commerce, and commerce requires order. If the state doesn’t exist yet, as in ancient times, then it springs up natively.

    Linh Dinh: “Me, I believe the future belongs to those who are ankle deep in mud.”

    Any hope for freedom depends on the collapse of civilization. But not to worry: Things move in cycles, and civilization is busy creating the tools wherewith it can be destroyed.

  10. 6dust6 says:

    Amazing piece of work. I have just dicovered Linh Dinh’s writing and his perpective runs counter to what we have become, where we are going, and what dugusts me most when I turn on the 6:00 news. I quibble some with the Orwell statement on the Paris mob “that stormed the Bastille”, for are we not experiencing the insane corrupted reverberations of those actions that now have morphed into our quest for those same utopuan statist ideals? Dinh’s perspective celebrates the skill and courageous freedom necessary to survive and prosper in a life of your choice outside of the boundaries of the state. He is a writer in good company with Twain and Orwell and I also detect shades of Eric Hoffer.

  11. Biff says:
    @SafeNow

    “Every 98 minutes, a dog is shot by law enforcement.” Activists came up with that number after tallying accounts of dog-shootings from news stories across the country.

    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/10/dog-really-killed-police-officer-every-98-minutes/7356/

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  12. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    Like religion, simple logic must be abandoned to never question concepts of crusading wars far outside of homeland perimeters Solidifying the belief system to never abandon what is always black and white; what is evil and what is good.

    keeping illegal alien invaders out of your country by enforcing a border has nothing to do with useless foreign wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, etc

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    , @foolisholdman
  13. Stick says:

    The strong take what they can. The weak bear what they must. Thucydides.

  14. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I wonder if a Native Americans wall would have kept the firs illegal aliens out.

  15. Muggles says:

    Mr. Dinh’s writing is always a bracing tonic for the mind and soul. He writes wonderfully, clear and direct, no holds barred.

    Also he has a love of the down to earth (sometimes literally) people who are much alike everywhere. Little if any status pursuits and a clear eye for what is real and what is pose. Any poor peasant from any culture thinks much alike: food, family, a bit of fun, and keep going on.

    As for dog eating, just read accounts of what hunger will do. Dogs (and other animals we use or love) have always been food in tough times. Some cultures still rely on that. Americans seem to get fat just by breathing the air. Go on a calorie restricted diet (as I did) and learn just how much food is advertised and promoted, everywhere all the time. So we can be picky, and we don’t like to eat our pets. But we will and do given enough hunger. Read about any tyranny or police state and learn just how often hunger is the basic tool for oppression. Yet our Western intelligentsia yaps endlessly about “oppression” but the oppressed are dying of obesity and bad habits.

    Dinh sees America and Europe with new eyes. And shows us his world with unblinking ones. Humanity as it is. He is a poet at heart. Thanks for this.

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  16. Hank Yobo says:

    Jefferson’s Corps of Discovery had to subsist on dog meat? Had they never heard of pemmican? Perhaps L. & C. should have farmed out the exploratory part of the mission to the Montreal-based North West Company that had already sent some of its members overland to the Pacific a decade before. Alexander Mackenzie brought a dog along for companionship, not consumption, during his bold endeavor.

  17. anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    the Europeans who came here weren’t illegal aliens looking to loot what someone else built

    and native americans (big fans of murder and torture) aren’t my judge either so your weak attempt to shame failed pathetically

  18. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    the Europeans who came here weren’t illegal aliens looking to loot what someone else built

    LOL. Denial, no matter how vehement, won’t wash away the crimes.

  19. anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    hardly vehement

    keep dreaming about your crimes, Europeans never blamed the Asians for the plague and they dont grovel before the North Africans and Ottomans for reparations for slavery

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  20. @Muggles

    Great article. Collect a few more of these and Linh might have a book.

    The Frontier is where you find it.

  21. @Biff

    I think both positions are valid . The average white American seems to hold dogs in such high esteem it borders on worship . Bumper stickers proclaim one to be a “proud dog parent” or announce “ I love my cocker spaniel “ . Statistics say a homeless dog is more likely to receive help from a stranger than a homeless person . Seems somewhat logical as a dog is unlikely to rob you and pawn your watch or wedding ring for heroin . Then again , it seems to be a cowardly sort of love requiring little risk while guaranteeing endless gratitude. That said , I find dogs to agreeable pets and companions.

    Regarding the killing of dogs by police this too seems totally based in reality as some cops (like any other sector of the public) are cold, indifferent, and in some cases blood thirsty. If, in the act of performing their duty a dog threatens them in anyway he’s likely a goner. Sometimes nearly being a nuisance is enough to get a beloved pooch smoked. That said , I have seen public servants rescue dogs and cats in need but usually not in contentious circumstances.

    Dinh’s piece is great as usual and he’s easily my favorite writer on this site. He’s on of those artist that deserve a much wider audience but in some selfish way you’re happy not to share. I’m half way through “Love Like Hate” and would recommend it to anyone here that enjoys his columns .

  22. Safenow: “When an incident of cruelty toward a dog is on the news, Americans are shocked and saddened.”

    Also cats, at least for some. I think you mean (or ought to mean) white Americans, rather than just Americans generally though. Compassion towards animals, particularly dogs and cats, seems to be a cynosure of the white race. The Asiatic races, including Jews, are notable for the opposite. I’ve read, for example, that the Chinese, who also eat cats, will lower them into boiling water an inch at a time. Making the animal suffer excruciating pain is thought to make the meat taste better. The details of kosher slaughter are about as sadistic, although whether it’s done to improve the flavor, or simply out of sheer pleasure at being able to torture something that’s utterly helpless, I can’t say.

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  23. Nietzsche talked about “the last man”.

    “No shepherd and one herd! Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse.”

    Prophetic genius.

  24. Biff: “The U.S. Barbaric industry of dog experimentation.”

    To be sure, not all whites are compassionate towards animals; and even those who are compassionate typically display compassion only to the cuddly ones. Spiders, ants, rats, mice, etc. don’t elicit the same response. Nor do food animals, or vegetarianism would be a lot more common than it is. Experimentation on animals tends to get a blanket pass because it sometimes saves human lives. Perhaps this is the result of Christian culture, according to which man is the only creature with a soul, so the tacit assumption is it’s okay so long as it’s for a good cause, and in any case animals, being soulless, aren’t worth bothering about.

    But only in the West, I think, do a fair number of people get irate about the cruelty. Is there a PETA in China or Vietnam, or in all of Africa? If there is, I’d wager that it was founded and is staffed by whites.

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    , @Fuerchtegott
    , @Biff
  25. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    My crimes? What are you on about? You drop country names hoping I would belong to one of them. Sorry, but it’s none of the above. Desperation in action. Nice try.

    Regardless, who stopped Europeans from claiming reparations from their former owners? Some of the nations in the regions you mention are awash with oil $$$. Help yourself. But wait…they happen to be our esteemed “allies” — naturally, until they outlive their usefulness, that is, as Fulgencio Batista, Nguyễn Văn Thiệu, Anastasio Somoza, Saddam Hussein, the Shah of Iran, Ferdinand Marcos et al., can attest.

    Speaking of the plague, did your ancestors not bring their own devastating maladies that decimated Native Americans? What the gun could not accomplish to bring about the final solution, imported Euro pathogens almost completed the task. Keep burying your head in the sands of denial. Hehehe.

    • Replies: @anon
  26. swamped says:

    One of the oddest escape from civilization stories I’ve come across is of a Korean who lived in the Central Highlands for twenty years and left behind fifteen children, all with one woman, a Rade who died of a broken heart soon after he left”…you might have thought she would have succumbed long before that from constant child-bearing. That takes a toll. She probably passed away from exhaustion if the Korean prick up & left her with 15 kids to support all alone. No wonder Vietnam has almost 100 million mouths to feed, with anything they can scrounge up. The population density of the country is 308 per sq. km., while the pop. density of similarly sized California is only 97 per sq.km. And now the Central Highlands may be doomed. The human locusts are swarming again.
    Vietnam is not so “far behind the West in the flight from nature and against it”,not with a teeming population like that. What’s wrong with Africa & Asia that they can’t control their population growth? If “this is to its advantage, I believe, for its people still retain the essentials to endure whatever comes next”, it’s certainly not to the advantage of its flora & fauna. That’s why there are no frontiers anymore.The Central Highlands especially have higher fertility rates, although the Mekong Delta region & S.E. region provinces have been doing much better lately & are under 2.0, with HCM City even lower, under 1.5. Hopefully these trends will continue. And not just there but around the world, if it’s not too late already. Otherwise we’ll all be up to our necks in mud.

  27. eah says:

    Me, I believe the future belongs to those who are ankle deep in mud.

    Book — In Praise of Hard Industries

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    , @anon
  28. eah says:

    Exact numbers are hard to come by — but in the US, a large number of abandoned or unwanted dogs are euthanized in shelters each year — if you’re going to do that, then you might as well let anyone so inclined eat them.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  29. anon[599] • Disclaimer says:

    The takeaway is that the world is filled with savages. Untermensch. Like Americans.

  30. Biff says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Founded by Pam and staffed by locals who get a free poster.

    https://www.petaasia.com/

  31. as well as skinned frogs still alive, purple and wriggling, to show how fresh they are. Goats are traditionally killed by beating, so they can sweat out all their funk. Nature, often stinking, is never far away.

    This is the one aspect of Asian culture I can’t forgive–the indifference to the suffering of the powerless. Tolstoy argued that we became civilized when we protected the weak and the powerless (women and children) from the rule of violence. He saw efforts to reduce the suffering of animals (even more powerless) as the mark of an advanced civilization.

    In China–especially in the south–there is a saying, “The more painfully an animal dies, the better it tastes.” There is a malevolence in that that has nothing to do with being close to nature. When the Chinese housewife can chat with the shopkeeper about how her kid is doing in school while the live cat she just purchased is being slowly lowered into a vat of boiling liquid, screaming and clawing in agony just a few feet away, she seems to me something worse than subhuman.

  32. @Anonymous

    Legality and illegality don’t exist until the farmers arrive and kill the hunter-gatherers and start a civil State. Prior to then it’s just competing bands of homo sapiens, and when your band of bravos needs more forage or more nubile females, then you kill off the other band’s bravos and take them. And even on the plane of States, the relations are still anarchic, not civic.

  33. koolking says:

    Remember not to eat dog if you keep one at home as a pet, it will think of you differently.

    • Replies: @anon
  34. Biff: “Founded by Pam and staffed by locals who get a free poster.”

    Lots of white “locals” apparently.

    Craig Nelsen: “This is the one aspect of Asian culture I can’t forgive–the indifference to the suffering of the powerless. Tolstoy argued that we became civilized when we protected the weak and the powerless (women and children) from the rule of violence. He saw efforts to reduce the suffering of animals (even more powerless) as the mark of an advanced civilization.”

    This effort to advocate for and raise up the powerless is the essence of so-called Cultural Marxism. In this connection it’s no coincidence then that Tolstoy was a Christian fanatic, since Marxism in all its forms is best understood as a secular form of Christianity. Also resonant is your reference to children, and in this context, since so many modern white people see their pets as their children. The origin of the cult of the child can be found in the sayings of Jesus. In cultures shaped by Christianity, almost any imposition is considered justified and made more tolerable when we’re told it’s “for the children”.

    Life is a brutal affair, a struggle of all against all, as Darwin observed. In this world red in tooth and claw, there’s a sharp distinction between victor and vanquished; between predator and prey. Christianity seeks to change all that. It is very much as you said, “the mark of an advanced civilization”, i.e., nothing less than a revolt against Nature itself.

    The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
    The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
    The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
    And a little child shall lead them.
    – Isaiah 11:6

  35. TKK says:

    “Gentlemen of the Jury: The best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name, may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has he may lose. It flies away from him perhaps when he needs it most. A man’s reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us, may be the first to throw the stones of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous, is his dog.

    “Gentlemen of the jury, a man’s dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fierce, if only he may be near his master’s side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer; he will lick the wounds and sores that come from encounter with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wing and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

    “If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of his company to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in his embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even in death.”

    • Replies: @Republic
  36. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    That’s why human rights can only apply to Christians.

    • Replies: @denk
  37. Biff says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    “Experimentation on animals tends to get a blanket pass because it sometimes saves human lives – from going broke.”

    . Professional reputations, prestige and tradition fuel the greed that justifies the needless exploitation of animals in research, product testing and education. Well-funded professional foundations and lobbying organizations craft and market sophisticated campaigns to defend and promote even more animal testing and experimentation and its special interests. Animal breeders profit handsomely from breeding and genetically engineering animals, from mice to primates, in order to satisfy the demands of researchers. Recent prices quoted from one animal supply company’s catalogue identified New Zealand White Rabbits as high as $352 each, purebred Beagles for $1,049 and some primates costing more than $8,000 each.

    https://www.navs.org/the-issues/the-animal-testing-and-experimentation-industry/#.XMAhLooxWhA

  38. @eah

    There you go. Excellent. Says it all except that it doesn’t identify which (((group))) has been at the helm during and has benefitted most from this transition (and which, of course, has, deplorably, been the sorry loser).

  39. @Anonymous

    Native Americans expelled the Vikings from Canada. First with arrows on the beach and then by burning down Norse sod huts in Newfoundland.

  40. By the looks of vietnamese they never seemed to eat well. Neither before or after socialism. So, please, leave your anti socialist BS . Vietnam never was socialist state. Calling one socialist does not make one. It was done to get favors and free help from the Soviet union aka parasitism.

  41. @Craig Nelsen

    First the Jewish bank scammers fleece us, then the Chinese manufacturers skin us alive.

  42. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    “almost any imposition is considered justified and made more tolerable when we’re told it’s “for the children”

    Great comment. And, as you say, anytime an organization wants you to do it “for the children”, you can be sure it actually benefits the scamsters who are running it.

  43. @Anonymous

    How is it the American Indians get a pass on what they did to us White people. I’m talking about introducing us to tobacco. They’ve murdered far more White people that White people have killed Indians.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  44. Just moving away from the known can be thrilling.

    Speaking of which, I just finished reading about two rich, highly “intelligent” degenerates who set out to kill someone for the “thrill” of it.

    Nathan Leopold admitted they had murdered Bobby solely for the thrill of the experience. (“A thirst for knowledge is highly commendable, no matter what extreme pain or injury it may inflict upon others,” Leopold had told a newspaper reporter…) The defendants’ wealth, their intellectual ability, the high regard within Chicago for their families

    Leopold and Loeb’s Criminal Minds

    Yeah, it was the thrill of a thirst for knowledge what dunnit.

    Cheezuz H. Krist!

  45. Me, I believe the future belongs to those who are ankle deep in mud.

    No doubt we ‘Merkins are doomed since we’ve long been neck deep in doo-doo.

  46. Sunshine says:
    @Anonymous

    Ugh look, it’s one of those people. How annoying. And boring.

    Besides, I personally believe the Solutreans were here first and were the original inhabitants of North America. So, the American Indians stole the land from them.

  47. @joeshittheragman

    Tobacco was grown in Turkey and China and other parts of the world. Its use would likely have spread no matter what.

    I smoke (I’ve quit off and on) and nobody gets intoxicated on nicotine and commits the violent crimes that alcohol sometimes lead to. Nobody died after smoking too many cigarettes before driving.

    A former college pothead, my opinion is that cannabis is worse. Weed turns you into a zombie eventually. The younger you are when you start smoking pot, the worse things go.

    Everybody tries smoking as a teen and few drop out of high school because of tobacco.

  48. @eah

    EAH

    In the Phoenix barrio wild Rottweilers and Pits ran loose. Some dealer or Cholo gets busted and his half-starved dog is turned loose. A guy in my condo complex took a short cut home down a canal sidewalk and was chased by them. He managed to leap over the small canal that runs up Guadalupe to Tempe and the dogs did not get to him.

    Believe me, packs of dogs are dangerous. Yes, a euthanized puppy is sad. A half-starved Pit or German Shepherd-Timber Wolf breed (Popular with rednecks) attacking a child because its junkie owner was locked up is worse.

    Visit the Philippines. Rabid feral dogs attack people fairly often. Something like 32 people die in Philippines every year.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  49. @Anonymous

    ANONYMOUS

    “BARBARIC” Question

    If the US is so advanced and wonderful with such a high living standard why was I much more safe overseas than in Phoenix?

    Why did tweakers, Cholos, Hood Rats, white trash, whiggers etc. roam the streets of lower middle class Phoenix but I never encountered these humanoids overseas?

    Why do black pensioners and lower middle class whites move to countries like the Philippines if the US so advanced and civilized?

    Which person on this site would walk through Detroit or LA tonight rather than Saigon or Dubai?

    When do you see crack dealers pushing on Dubai street corners? How many cartels are overrunning ME? You’ll never see Opoid abusers in public in Asia or in ME.

    So how is the US less barbaric? Why am I safer here than Detroit?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  50. WJ says:
    @Anonymous

    By Native Americans you are referring to the immigrants from Siberia that traveled to NA in successive waves, with each wave warring against the previous immigrants and pushing them farther south and west? All done without the wheel.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  51. @WJ

    WJ

    The Inuit came thousands of years later and as a result warred with the Native Americans constantly along the treeline from Alaska to Newfoundland.

    One Asian group called the Dorset entered the Americas about 5,000 years ago and were killed off completely by Native Americans.

  52. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Speaking of the plague, did your ancestors not bring their own devastating maladies that decimated Native Americans?

    yes that’s why i brought it up but apparently it went right past your head, retard

    poor little victim

    you’re the only group that tries to blame the spread of disease on someone else

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  53. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    first thing i notice is that FIRE – finance, insurance, real estate etc doesn’t actually produce anything

    as worthless as govt paper pushers

    • Replies: @durd
  54. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @koolking

    yes i wonder what happens in the mind of a pet dog when it sees its owner roasting another dog over an open flame, lol

  55. @anon

    Certain Asian tribes were decimated and died off in the New World entirely before Europeans arrived.

    The “Dorset” for example, arrived about 5000 years. They did not bring enough women with them from Asia so their numbers were always relatively low and Native Americans killed them off.

    Inuit also existed in Newfoundland but the Native Americans killed all of them there.

    • Replies: @anon
  56. skedaddle says:

    I was under the mistaken impression that Vietnamese ate dog as a survival food. I guess this article clears that up.

    I remember the late 1970s when a load of Vietnamese boat people was dropped into my midwest city’s projects, every loose dog vanished. The lazy, drug addled, alcoholic, criminal class in the projects was outraged and bitterly complained to the cops, city officials and anyone who would listen. Eventually, interpreters were brought in and the Vietnamese were told bluntly to stop the dog-eating and threatened with prosecution if caught stealing a dog. Dog-eater replaced other derisive terms for the Vietnamese. They also stole all the laundry off the clotheslines. It was interesting to be a middle class person, knowing your taxes were supporting homegrown riff-raff who were suddenly outraged that someone was stealing all their stuff that they hadn’t worked to get.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  57. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Inuit also existed in Newfoundland but the Native Americans killed all of them there.

    the savages exterminated the peaceful Inuit?

    even whitey didn’t do that

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  58. @skedaddle

    As if those sort of low-class riff-raff won’t go through cars in parking lots to steal cigarettes or ripoff a leather jacket out of a closet.

    When I was a young man in Phoenix the “tweakers” as meth addicts were then known would tear through garbage cans seeking a photocopy of an ID or credit car in order to commit identity theft.

    As for dogs, the riff-raff favored pit bulls and other dangerous breeds. The rural white poor would breed Shepherds with wolves, which is a dangerous animal. The urban underclass like Pits. These dogs were a threat to the public.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  59. @anon

    One group named Dorset came from Asia about 5,000 years ago who did not bring enough women into North America and died out between the wars with Native Americans and lack of reproduction. Its happened in history before.

    Some Native Americans RETURNED back to Asia.

    Apache, one of the fiercest groups, arrived last from Asia and cut a path of destruction that would have made Andrew Jackson pause for thought.

  60. TKK says:

    Beating goats to death and skinning frogs alive does not make you a frontier man.

    The author reminds me of the ignorant backpackers who believed eating from sketchy food stalls in Cambodia was edgy and cool.

    Having liquid diarrhea with vomiting for days is not cool- and neither is patronizing food purveyors who don’t have the decency to wash their hands after their bowels move.

    Likewise, laughingly causing pain to a sentient being is the act of a drooling retard. It’s not manly. It’s not butch. It is anti enlightenment.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  61. MacNucc11 says:

    I cannot stand any cruelty toward dog or cat. They are like little people with quirky personalities and stay perpetual children. Loving and trusting of those who treat them well. Cats seem to live for play and enjoy your company and that of others. I find it that having a love for them teaches you to better love your fellow man rather than the opposite. Not only have I taken in a few stray cats but I have also taken in stray humans. I have heard that a dog will not even starving eat his master when he passes but starve. What kind of monster kills and eats an animal like this? They may not be human but they do have love and nobility in them in quantity that even humans do not as humans will readily cannibalize for their own survival. A dog will sacrifice its own life for you. Can one not at least refrain from eating it?

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @sb
  62. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    This effort to advocate for and raise up the powerless is the essence of so-called Cultural Marxism. In this connection it’s no coincidence then that Tolstoy was a Christian fanatic, since Marxism in all its forms is best understood as a secular form of Christianity.

    The essence of Marxism, or, rather, the menace of it, is in its appeal to a loyalty higher than one’s own, be it culture, family, race, nation, or tribe. The attraction to it comes from its egalitarian dressing. It is an appeal to base resentment with an offer of enslavement. And, yes, it runs parallel to Christianity, which is why we need a religious revolution in the same way we had a scientific revolution.

    But I disagree with your claim that condemning gratuitous cruelty is an example of that. It is one thing to argue that an animal has a right not to be eaten, and another to argue that, as higher beings with the power of empathy, we have a duty to treat the animals we eat as humanely as possible.

    Civilization, which predates Christianity, was emancipation from the rule of violence. For most of human history, whoever had the biggest club made the rules. That is, he made the rules until, inevitably, someone came along with a bigger club. He, himself, was a slave to violence. Under such conditions, everyone is weak and powerless.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  63. MacNucc11 says:
    @jeff stryker

    True, but then you have heard the expression that there is even honor among thieves? Even criminals have their limits to who or what can be targeted.

  64. I’m of the opinion that successful execution of greater order is what defines as a positive good. A man who builds a windmill is more manly than any number of cats killed.

    • Agree: MacNucc11
  65. It feels like the internet has been a New Frontier for many years. Now, the state, via big Tech corporations, is accelerating its control.

  66. @jeff stryker

    What surprised me is that Filippinos also eat dogs and find them a delicacy. So I used to wonder why there were so many strays around, especially considering there were poor people and these stray dogs would have just been free food. And they also keep guard dogs but don’t eat them when they die, unlike what the Chinese do with their large pet fish. I don’t know much about this dog as food business but maybe they only eat dogs specially bred for that purpose and so leave the strays alone. I also wonder how dog meat compares to other meats in price. There were some pricey “underground” restaurants in Malaysia for Chinese in the know where they served illegal tropical game and even endangered species but at a high price.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  67. Another excellent article! I moved from a major city to a farm a little over a decade ago. The farm is 200 miles from a major city, and it is in a part of our state that where the people feel forgotten by the powers that be in the rest of the state. But, even here the frontier is gone, and the area to me just seems like a far flung suburb of some of the smaller nearby cities.

  68. MacNucc11 says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    I have always argued that cultural Marxism is Christianity without Christ, however this is a crucial difference. Placing man and human society in the place of Christ is essentially the essence of Satanism as Satan was jealous of God. He seeks always to capture the children of God and Marxism is one of many isms he uses. Atheism, materialism, capitalism, etc. All forms of man/material worship and everything that Christianity is not. Our legal system used to be based on Christian morals but as it has become less so over the years we see the ugly rise of state violence against the people they purport to protect. The religious revolution must come and our religious leaders must start by leading the faithful and dispense with currying favor with the state and its organs.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  69. Craig Nelsen: “But I disagree with your claim that condemning gratuitous cruelty is an example of that. It is one thing to argue that an animal has a right not to be eaten, and another to argue that, as higher beings with the power of empathy, we have a duty to treat the animals we eat as humanely as possible. ”

    “Animal rights” is an example of the cultural residue of Christianity because it gives people an opportunity to virtue signal by defending child-like animals (the cuddly ones), the defense and exaltation of children and their supposed innocence being of paramount importance in that religion. Also, the prestige of Jesus rubs off on animal defenders, since he is the paradigm example of compassion in the cultures of the West.

    It might be possible abstractly to derive some kind of duty to treat animals humanely apart from those two things as a matter of philosophy, but I’m not aware of such arguments, if they exist. Just saying there’s a duty doesn’t establish one. Religious notions of duty such as in Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism are probably not primary motivators for animal rights advocates in the West, and strictly speaking aren’t entirely rational.

    Craig Nelsen: “Civilization, which predates Christianity, was emancipation from the rule of violence. ”

    I don’t know about that. What is government but organized violence? Laws are meaningless unless backed up by the threat of force. Civilization “liberated” people from the freedom to do whatever they want, when they want. The more “advanced” a civilization becomes, the tighter become its restrictions. The order it brings comes at a terrible price.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Craig Nelsen
  70. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Tolstoy was NOT “a Christian fanatic”; he was actually ex-communicated.

  71. TKK says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Catastrophically wrong.

    Southern Baptists are some of the worst animal abusers I have encountered. I actively rescue dogs, spending thousands of dollars. It is not virtue signaling sentimentality. It’s debt. It’s hard work. It’s constant fights with law enforcement and knuckle draggers.

    The evangelical believes that a God gave him dominion over all creatures. Therefore, if he wants to chain his dog up with no water and shade to guard his car, its no one’s business. It’s not even reasoned out a la the repellent BF Skinner. It’s just dogs and cats as property- like a bowling ball.

    Anyone that says this author is brilliant for glorying animal pain is sociopathic. Even at slaughterhouses, USDA inspectors are on site to make sure the cows and pigs suffer as little as possible.

    If we extend out Dinh’s obtuse “compliments”of his new neighbors, I think he should forgo any anesthesia or pain management if he has any invasive medical procedures. It makes him a pioneer. Only wussies would avail themselves of that weakness.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @MacNucc11
  72. “Me, I believe the future belongs to those who are ankle deep in mud.” The people who are now poor and still able to adapt und endure will get rich and decadent, while the rich and decadent will get poor and then learn to adapt and endure. I think it is just a circle.

  73. Plato’s Dream: “Tolstoy was NOT “a Christian fanatic”; he was actually ex-communicated.”

    The author of The Kingdom of God Is Within You considered himself a Christian, whether anyone else did or not. Was he? Christians have been arguing with each other over who the “real” Christians are for two thousand years. I don’t think it’s my place to judge who’s right.

    TKK: “Catastrophically wrong. … I actively rescue dogs, spending thousands of dollars. It is not virtue signaling sentimentality.”

    Oh, virtue signalers aren’t necessarily sentimental. Usually they take their crusades very seriously.

    TKK: “The evangelical believes that a God gave him dominion over all creatures. ”

    Quite so, and I essentially say as much myself above in #27. But I’m not claiming that anyone, either animal abuser or animal rights activist, is necessarily a Christian, just that they are responding to having been raised in the Christian culture of the West. There are, for example, large numbers of people who even express hatred for Christianity who nevertheless accept its moral tenets.

    A self-described Christian who thinks the Bible gives him the right to abuse animals is someone who has drawn that lesson from it, while a secular person, raised in a culture shaped by two thousand years of Christianity, may derive in a round about way quite a different lesson, and become an animal defender like yourself.

  74. Randy says:
    @SafeNow

    Proof read is your friend. Every 3 sentences missing a noun

  75. By-tor says:
    @TKK

    Few can match blacks and Latinos for animal abuse and dog fighting in the US ghettos, the Atlanta suburbs or in South Florida.

  76. MacNucc11 says:
    @TKK

    As someone who rescues cats and any other animal in need, including humans, debt is what it really is. As well as sacrifice of time and sleep. Suffering actual physical abuse because not all animals are trusting when someone does try and help them. One thing western society has gotten right is that there is no decency found in the torture of animals and in most cases it is highly proscribed with the perps becoming the pariah they deserve to be.

    • Replies: @TKK
  77. Lidia says:
    @Justsaying

    A man is a wolf to other men.

  78. @Commentator Mike

    Dogs in the Philippines breed fast. Usually six per liter. The number of Filipinos who die of rabies or do bites is like 30 per year.

    Dogs chased me a couple of times in the Philippines.

  79. Polemos says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The familiar sound a chainsaw makes is not coming from its blades but the screaming of the tree.

    We all have our curious biases when it comes to suffering…

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    , @Escher
  80. @jeff stryker

    I never encountered these humanoids overseas

    Because these “pieces of trash” aren’t the ones applying to go, and if they are, they are not being let in. Stringent immigration policies are a factor in deterring these groups of people.

    How many cartels are overrunning ME

    One big one : OPEC and the other oil groups 😉

    Why do black pensioners and lower middle class whites move to countries like the Philippines if the US so advanced and civilized?

    Value of the dollar, cheaper cost of living, maybe they like travelling? Maybe they want to have a change in their lives, and maybe they just want to see the “exotic” parts of the world.

    in Phoenix?

    You answered your own question Jefferino. Latinos, mainly of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican….e.t.c. tend to not be the good type. They happen to be tax burdens, tax frauds, tax cheats, and they also collect unemployment, and they seem to siphon off the government dole a lot. Cubans, from what I’ve seen, don’t seem to act that way.

  81. @By-tor

    yeah, isn’t chicken fighting a loved sport in Mexico?

    • Replies: @By-tor
  82. songbird says:

    What was funny about Lewis and Clark was they were first disgusted when they saw Indians eating dog. Then out of desperation, to keep from starving, they took up the habit. Eventually, they acquired a taste for it. As they traveled further West, they met Indians who were disgusted by it, but who were willing enough to sell them dogs.

    I don’t believe they ever ate the dog they brought with them, though it was once nearly killed by a beaver.

    • Replies: @utu
  83. @By-tor

    By-Tor

    Barrios and ghettos are full of packs of pit bulls and other dangerous dogs running lose.

    When I was in Phoenix, a roommate unwisely walked down a sidewalk canal that runs from the main street of Guadalupe through to Tempe.

    Wild Pits ran out from the darkness and he jumped over the canal. The water was swift and might have drowned him but he landed on the side of the embankment.

  84. TKK says:
    @MacNucc11

    Exactly.

    So many people state they “love” dogs. The FaceBook drivel they post. But when I have a mixed breed, large and unsocialized, and I need cash for another neutering, and his shots- I am suddenly alone. As in Siberia alone.

    Oscar Wilde said that a sentimentalist is someone who wants to have the luxury of an emotion without paying for it. That’s the Western relationship with dogs and cats.

    I wish the pariah status were so- but if it were- Michael Vick would have gotten a life ending beat down. The MSM hid the facts from the public about how graphic his animal torture was: rape racks, dogs with their teeth pulled out to be sparring partners, smaller dogs and cats used as bait animals.

    He is still accepted in society. And paid well for it.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  85. utu says:
    @songbird

    Then out of desperation, to keep from starving

    IIRC they were not starving. They were fed up of eating salmon from Columbia river which they had plenty and they traded salmon for dogs.

    • Replies: @songbird
  86. Nick T says:

    Reading disgusting accounts like this makes one wonder how a place with both ancient Hindu roots and Buddhist culture – both of which teach compassion towards other beings, have “non-wusses” sitting around torturing cats and frogs to death. What’s interesting is that both these traditions predicted a time in which mankind would completely degenerate, multiply uncontrollably, and slaughter all life, including each other. They also predicted that a better age would follow.

  87. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    Commit a crime in Dubai and you’re going to jail. A real dungeon. No bail. The system is disorganized and you’ll do a year. One Brit, a hotel musician, got busted with hashish and did six years in prison while I was there.

    Emirates will ignore certain crimes like prostitution. Many Brits smoke hash despite the penalties, or did when I lived in Dubai. A pot smoker then myself, I would always vacation in Goa. I could live without pot rather than risk 6 years.

    I was never a felon so I don’t know if you can get in to Dubai as a felon. I knew a few guys on the run from alimony or child support there.

    In order to live overseas you have to have money, a job and sit on a plane for 12-20 hours. Your average psychotic chimp-out Jamaican from TO or trailer trash cannot be without their crack cocaine or Opoids that long nor are they employable.

    The few instances when some piece of foreign trash did get arrested in Dubai it was some brother or son whose family was employed in Dubai.

    “OPEC”

    Seems to have raised the living standard of the Arabs. And of course OPEC created remissions economies that built Kerala and supported vast Bangladeshi families.

    I’d say the Arabs made some wise business decisions, but of course I myself benefited as did many Western expats who lived in Dubai when it was an exciting buzzing place. It was better than marginal employment in Phoenix.

    “Change in their lives”

    Its a rhetorical question. I’ve talked to black pensioners and white blue-collar workers. The bad neighborhoods where some neighbor sells drugs and an endless procession of junkies filing into the rundown complex. The police. The juvenile crime. The gangs. The petty property crime. The disgusting tattooed sullen fat single mothers and welfare fraudsters and drunks. And so on.

    You never see these sort of underclass overseas. Living overseas is a cut-rate form of elitism. It keeps the riff-raff out.

    Finally, you can build a mansion in the Philippines for $40,000.

    NB The only exception are the disability frauds. They of course live overseas. And many Brit welfare druggies live in India. We all know the Scarlet Keeling tale. Dumb low-class Brits end up being raped by Indian predators.

    “Latinos”

    Canada does not have them. But the US does not have enough Natives to have the problems with Natives Canada has because, well, the Americans killed all of them.

  88. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    It might be possible abstractly to derive some kind of duty to treat animals humanely apart from those two things as a matter of philosophy, but I’m not aware of such arguments, if they exist.

    As a kid growing up in farm country I noticed the differences among the farmers on how they treated their animals. There were those farmers who gave a thought to the physical suffering an animal can and does endure. They were the ones who would build a windbreak for their cattle, or dress down a hired hand who was taking out a frustration on a stubborn steer. Then there were those–the majority now–for whom the animals were nothing but money. They weren’t cruel for the sake of cruelty, they were just indifferent. They were the ones who would cram as many cattle as possible into a semi for the trip to the slaughterhouse, making liberal use of the cattle prod on the terrified creatures. Then there were the few who were just flat out cruel–the ones who took pleasure in inflicting pain on a defenseless creature.

    I can look at a farm from a distance and tell you with fair accuracy which of the three types owns that farm. If I meet the family, I can tell with near certainty.

    The farmer who takes a thought for the suffering of the animals in his care is going to have a farm that has been in the family longer, and more thought will have gone into how it looks. They will have a junk pile, but it will be out of sight. Their working hours will be more regular, they will go on more interesting vacations, they will have higher social standing in the community, and their kids will be more popular in school.

    The farmer who thinks of the animals as money will have a bigger, more expensive pick-up truck and big, but ugly, buildings. The junk pile might be anywhere and you’ll see things like huge neon-colored fiberglass tanks sitting in the direct line of sight as you drive in to the place. The place will smell like a feed lot, if there is livestock. They will never go on vacation or visit anywhere relatives don’t live and it shows. They’ll be respected for their “success” but have little social standing. Their kid will drive a nice car, but tend to be kind of a dick. Divorce is generally in the mix.

    The cruel farmer is the alcoholic wife beater whose kids are always late getting to the bus and who sometimes smell like urine when they board. Buildings are falling down. Trash is everywhere and the junk isn’t even in a pile. He sometimes sleeps in the daytime. The kids are bullied and the only vacations are court ordered and behind bars. He has nothing but bad luck, and, as an example, one day his starving pigs break out of the patchwork fence he built and, waking from the commotion, he looks out sees them rooting in his wife’s pathetic garden, and, grabbing an axe on his way out the door, now he’s gonna make that motherfucker pay for what it did to him.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  89. @Polemos

    The familiar sound a chainsaw makes is not coming from its blades but the screaming of the tree.

    We all have our curious biases when it comes to suffering…

    Who would have thought a tree scream would sound like a gas motor.

  90. Escher says:
    @Polemos

    Yes, we all draw a line somewhere.
    General consensus is that plants have a lower level of consciousness than animals (I know, I know…)
    Besides, trees are not cut down deliberately slowly to prolong their suffering.

  91. @MacNucc11

    The religious revolution must come and our religious leaders must start by leading the faithful and dispense with currying favor with the state and its organs.

    When their own church rushed to condemn the Covington kids, it should have finally become clear to even the most devout that Christianity is not up to the task. I had occasion to visit the Methodist church on Mt Vernon Sq in Washington, DC a few years ago, and it was depressing. Impressive building, minister very sweet and sincere, and so empty. Such bad music. A vegetable garden.

    They thought they were dying because they weren’t inclusive enough. So they put up rainbow flags. But wallowing in the same thing the whole city is already wallowing in didn’t bring in the crowds. The minister was genuinely perplexed. She came by for a visit one day. I felt sorry for her. I tried as gently as I could to explain that inclusivity isn’t even a religious issue. She actually became a little angry in spite of herself. Perhaps the magnitude of my heresy shocked her.

    A year ago, I noticed a sign out front of the church apologizing for slavery. I imagine it will be a mosque, soon. So sad.

    The Methodist Church would curl up in a ball and die if the New York Times called it immoral. The NYT is indifferent to whether the Methodist Church calls it immoral. That tells you who has the whip hand. And the Methodists can’t even perceive the enmity of the Times. A church down the street from the Methodists had a big banner out front for the longest time reading “Black Lives Matter”–a Georges Soros funded group whose function it is to destroy us. It’s hard to imagine anything more abasing.

    The Scientific Revolution occurred when there was a shift in perspective having to do with our relationship with the physical world. We stopped designating the purpose of things and became observers of how the world really is. We took ourselves out of the center of the universe, so to speak.

    A Religious Revolution will require that same kind of shift in perspective, but having to do with our relationships with each other–the moral realm. The first result of that will be the end of moral politics and the idea there can be such a thing a a moral government policy. Compassionate conservatism will go the way of phlogiston.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  92. Carlos says:

    TKK
    Chistians as animal abusers. Hear Hear. Are we judging an entire faith community for a few bad actors. Sounds like we’re being prejudiced. I am close friends with perhaps hundreds of Christians and none of them would abuse an animal. William Wilberforce, a devout Christian, started the Humane Society.

  93. @BengaliCanadianDude

    INDIAN LOWLIFES IN DUBAI

    Dubai and Oman are near enough to India that a 2 hour flight many criminals and fugitives can run like hell. Unlike whites, who if some other white stranger or even associate shows up penniless and homeless in Dubai will not do anything for him, Indian lowlifes can usually find somewhere to crash and a job.

    Most Indian crimes are South Indians who get drunk and assault or just generally stagger around.

    Some of the Muslim Indians are pimps who run brothels of Bangladeshi or Tamil women who service South Asian construction workers.

    Other Indians, mostly Nair, are professional con artists.

    The Indians that I had problems with were Brahmin who come outside India and suddenly discover being Brahmin means nothing and their money is not worth much. Brahmin are most likely to be interacting with whites and my worst experience was actually with a spoiled Bengali Gaur woman who’d graduated from St. Xavier. She just had one bad experience after another with Goras who did not care at all that she was Brahmin or graduated from St. Xavier.

    Possibly South Asians would mug whites or behave like Sikhs in Canada except that they are really locked down by Arab authorities and sponsors.

    Also, size is a factor. Most lowlife, low-caste Indian dirtbags are underfed and borderline malnourished. In Canada, they aren’t. But in Dubai on a diet of dhal curry it is hard to flight huge beefy Westerners who are all over six foot and 200 pounds.

    INCIDENTS

    One Westerner I knew was a gym owner and operator who walked over some wet floor a Pakistani was mopping. The Pakistani took exception and the British gym owner apologized. The Pakistani shoved him as he walked away and the British punched the Pakistani and he fell on the wet floor and hit his head on a staircase and seriously injured himself. The Brit went to jail in Dubai. He was there for something like six months and caught TB. I heard about this from a Brit who worked with me.

    On another occasion a British woman, maybe some expats wife, was raped on the beach by Pakistani construction workers while sunbathing. Or maybe they were Indian. In any event, 50 South Asians raped her. I only heard about this because my British friend was a nurse. Such incidents never get printed in the press and usually the Embassy colludes in suppressing the information about such cases. But many Arabs and a few Indians just troll Dubai beaches and see some Western woman and she is isolated enough to rape. It happens.

  94. gT says:

    In the old days the Afrikaners used to believe that their gun came first, their horse second and their dog third, only after that came the wife. It was for survival reasons that the dog came before the wife.

    But this is the first time that I’ve heard that the dog takes precedence over the wife because the dog just tastes so darn good. I’ll stay far away from dog, cat and long pig, at least until such time as Armageddon demands it.

  95. Baxter says:

    They joys and benefits of ‘civilization’ are great and worth continuing. We could not be communicating over the internet, using very complicated equipment, were it not for the brains supported by civilization.
    That being said, modern America is indeed weak and dying. I don’t know the root cause of our problems. Decadence, rootlessness, dent, feminism, all these things contribute to civilizational decline. It doesn’t appears these things are passing fads or generational problems. America will continue becoming a basket case of a place filled with soft men and unhappy women.
    Until a collapse, then society resets itself and the whole process starts over.

    • Agree: MacNucc11
  96. songbird says:
    @utu

    I’m talking about when they overwintered in the Mid-West, and were running out of supplies. That’s when they took up the habit – around Indians who did it.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  97. songbird says:

    I always thought the ancient Irish myth of Cú Chulainn was interesting for what it might reveal about ancient European attitudes towards dogs.

    First, there is the story of how he got his name, taking the place of the man’s guard dog that he had killed, until another could be reared.

    Then there is the story about how his fate was sealed. How he had a geis (taboo) against eating dog meat, but could not refuse hospitality, so was forced to eat it, when he was offered it, greatly weakening him, before battle.

  98. songbird says:

    There was a map published a few weeks back that showed contrasts in genetic distance between populations. Like, for, instance, a big white void where the Sahara is, and another where the Himalayas are. I can’t think where I saw it – perhaps Steve Sailer’s blog.

    Anyway, I was not entirely surprised to see a slighter indication of one of these genetic borders at roughly Vietnam’s border. I have always thought the Vietnamese were a bit different from other SE Asians, and a bit more like the Chinese.

    Yet, I was a little confused by what caused the border. I knew there were mountains in Vietnam, and looking at a map they seemed to line up with it. But, it still seems somewhat strange to me – I don’t imagine any high mountain passes. I wonder if rice can’t be grown in the uplands, or if there is some other reason related to the mountains, like lack of navigable rivers.

  99. MacNucc11 says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The idea that inclusiveness will fill up churches has been their undoing. People won’t come to a place that claims up front no moral high ground or superiority to any other religion. That attitude brands you as a fraud or at best irrelevant. What need is there to adhere to a religion where no one is required to be faithful and moral? People instinctively know that God is not some new age douchebag go along to get along sleazebag. Those type cannot accomplish anything here on earth much less rule heaven and earth. So this message goes begging for the worst of humanity and actively rejects those who are seeking what a church and a faith should be providing. A sense of our place in the universe and purpose of faith, family and communities. People don’t want inclusive they want exclusive.

  100. MacNucc11 says:
    @TKK

    I have an ornery stray cat who hangs around we call Hachi Ku San who has scratched and bit me multiple times. Once sunk his teeth into my ear. Well I know he isn’t rabid in any case. But yeah, here is on who isn’t getting adopted by anybody but we love him for what he is. One rugged individualist. He will rub up against your leg and purr and then hiss and show his huge teeth. Totally neurotic. He can scratch or bite you so fast you don’t even see him move. He is remorseful after though and stays away a couple days and then shows up a little sheepishly looking for food. Never any hard feelings on my part, knowing what kind of a-holes might be out there. He comes around with battle scars all over him and I just sit there and wonder what kind of shape these other cats must be in. I am hoping to eventually get him neutered but it is going to be hell. You go to the vet and it is a scam. They want to sell you a bunch of shots you don’t need just to get him neutered. They want to run tests. Vets have become scammers just like everyone else.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  101. denk says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    See how a frontier story in Nam so effortlessly morph into another thread of hate fest on Chinese ?
    Its open season for those Chinese barbarians, folks !

    You talk like its some fucking daily routine for Chinese housewifes to skin cats alive.
    Fact is, cat eating in China must be so rare, if at all, that many heard it first from UNZers, .
    who spend their days scraping on the bottom of barrel, hoping to dig up some dirt on the Chinese barbarians.

    Anyway,
    Dog eating is a dying tradition, it’d soon be gone.
    GUess who’r the real champion dog killers ?

    Here’s a poser,
    How many cats,. dogs were killed
    in Nam alone, by murkkan bombers ?
    [HInt..three millions Vietnamese were wipe out, a whole gen, we can work on the assumption that every family kept a couple of dogs and cats , its not difficult to calculate the collateral damages of dogs.]

    thREE millions in Nam,
    thats just for starters.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  102. denk says:
    @Fuerchtegott

    ‘human rights’ are so passe,
    KIlling humans aint news anymore,
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51172.htm

    Animal rights are a big deal tho.

    I heard that the 78 days saturation bombing on Ex Yugo’s hospitals, water plants, market places, broadcasting station, bridges, was so intense that the zoo tigers went crazy and eat their own cubs, wonder how many cats, dogs were splattered all over the market places that got bombed, never mind the humans.

    human rights is a xtian virtue

    Granted, I think the xtian west do have
    a great sense of humor.

  103. @MacNucc11

    Hachi Ku San is not neurotic, just a normal Tom that didn’t get his balls removed(AKA neutered). In a suburban neighborhood with too many cats and too small territories they are easy to spot, ears all tore up from fighting other Toms. Very interesting watching them fight, they face off, pretend to fall asleep, the eyes close, then BAM, they attack. You can’t pet an un-neutered Tom, he will rip your hand off. It would be an abomination to neuter Hachi Ku San, accept him for what he is, a totally normal male housecat. I do favor neutering females after they have had two or three litters, in a suburban environment with a too high density of cats they are constantly pregnant and its too hard on them.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  104. durd says:
    @anon

    On the contrary, FIRE produces slaves of the could be manufacturers.

  105. durd says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Anybody ever talk about beer and Rocky Mountain oysters while straddling a heifer who’s ass is being burned, it’s horns cut off, testes removed and butt penetrated with chemicals?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @MacNucc11
  106. @durd

    A heifer has never, and cannot have testes, but it can have, but hasn’t yet, had a calf.

    • Replies: @durd
  107. @songbird

    A few days a go, I visited a spot where the Kansas River joins the Missouri River, and there was a plaque there noting that this was the spot where the Lewis and Clark expedition built a wooden barrier that stretched between the two rivers as a defense against the Indians. And, also Joe Blow and Tom Tow received lashes (50 & 100 respectively) for unauthorized consumption of whiskey, here.

  108. By-tor says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    In the early 2000’s, when hordes of illegal Lats were invading a large US metropolitan area where I live, police were finding fighting roosters and pit bull dogs inside apartments rented by these ‘migrants’. Mexican males were living a dozen or more to a two or three bedroom unit. The carpets and walls were ruined from all sorts of filth, food and feces, and some bedroom carpets even had grass growing them where water had spilled on the feed left out for roosters. The apartment complexes were a Little Mexico down several busy thoroughfares. Most of these complexes were torn down or gutted after 2008.

  109. @denk

    Ah, yes, those poor picked on Chinese–the thinnest skinned people in the world. Don’t get angry. I was served live, fried fish in a village in northern Shanxi province. I’m also against bombing people.

  110. Dumbo says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    There are some videos in Youtube of cute Chinese and Korean girls eating live octopuses or worms and other yucky or really weird food. As for eating dogs and cats, well, to each his own, but it doesn’t seem right.

    I think Europeans not only developed a much better cuisine but, in general, a more humane treatment of animals (well, perhaps not the French, with foie gras, and they eat horses too).

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  111. MacNucc11 says:
    @durd

    And after all this the animal is still alive and healthy. You really think that is the same? I am pretty sure everyone agrees one is way worse but keep on pretending this is normal. What Asians do regularly would get you locked up and it would be national news. They routinely do what only the sickest most twisted monster’s would even consider. In China they eat babies. I don’t think it is common but I know it does happen, and not in cases of starvation either. There is surely something missing mentally in a people who torture animals and eat human children.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @durd
    , @denk
  112. melpol says:

    Hardy pioneers exist only in fiction. Extreme poverty and hardship leads to many committing suicide. Recently farmers in India committed massive suicides during a drought in which they lost their land to the banks. I personally know dozens who killed themselves because of hardships. Rough cowboys are BS and myths. Millions lynched themselves rather than suffer.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Craig Nelsen
  113. MacNucc11 says:
    @Bombercommand

    You got it. Got a pair on him that makes me jealous. I have another big male who comes by. Bootsy we call him for his moon boots. Named after Bootsy Collins from Parliament. The two of them look askance at each other and then start to make low moaning sounds. Then I usually separate them and they seem happy to be forced apart. I put their food in separate spots and bring Hachi inside and rolls in his catnip and takes a nap. Bootsy eats his food and wanders off.
    The are always happy to not have to actually throw down. Too costly and they avoid it as often as they can. Problem with the females is much harder to catch because more cautious and they need to be kept inside as recovery is a bit longer.

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @Bombercommand
  114. MacNucc11 says:
    @melpol

    I think a farmer losing his land to the banks has to be extremely traumatic. For a man to be brought up to be tied to the land to lose it to the predator class has to be too much and what are they going to do? Go begging? To me that is a sign of courage and taking the mans way out. Rough cowboys are bs and myths? Not sure where you are getting that information from. There are stories of cowboys and farmers that are true profiles in courage. I remember hearing a story of a young boy who had his arms torn off by a piece of farm machinery and went inside called 911 with his nose or pencil or something. Informed the operator he would wait in the bathtub and they were actually able to put him back together. Tough enough I guess.

    Here is the link to that story;

    https://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/the-kid-in-the-bathtub-twenty-years-later/article_84f9bf0c-54d8-11e1-9123-0019bb2963f4.html

  115. Republic says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The Chinese never were an empathetic race. See the outstanding sinophobic book, Ways that are dark, the truth about China.

  116. Republic says:
    @TKK

    George Graham West, a US Senator from Missouri, 1879-1903 was the author of that quotation.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  117. melpol says:
    @MacNucc11

    YES! many cowboys were rough and ready to accept any hardship. But life has many awful situations as the Indian farmers who lost their land. Asiatic soldiers or terrorists kill themselves rather than be captured. Marylin Monroe, Vincent Foster committed suicide, I can go on indefinitely. The point of my comment is that humans are more fragile than the myth of superman Hitler who killed himself.

  118. durd says:
    @Bombercommand

    Yeah, I should of went with calf, I am recalling from 1976. I ain’t (haven’t) straddled a calf since.

  119. durd says:
    @MacNucc11

    Torture is ok as long as the victim gets to eat grass for a few years and is then slaughtered.

    Torture is not ok if the victim is ate right away and not allowed to fatten up.

    Some people eat babies.

  120. Someone says:

    Always amazing to read Linh Dinh comment on the primacy of ethnographic nationalism, then observe the poverty of Vietnam and then attribute it to culture and/or socialism, all while brushing aside the effects of the American occupation and war.

    Even more amazing to read the resident bigots and morons who cite real/exaggerated/apocryphal stories of eating animals to condemn others as barbarians, all while omitting any reference to domestic factory farms and endless wars–one of which killed countless Viets, Laotian and Cambodians and was a direct cause of the poverty that exists today.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  121. Biff says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    This is the one aspect of Asian culture I can’t forgive–the indifference to the suffering of the powerless.

    Selective outrage for it is only the “other” that is to blame for my sins.

  122. @Republic

    Thanks to both of you. The man certainly had a way with words.

  123. @MacNucc11

    The Toms that fight a lot get ears torn to shreds and heads swollen from hits and oozing septic wounds, its impressive. What is astonishing is never once did I see them scratch each others eyes, or any eye wounds, there must be a fighting code of honor with Toms.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  124. @Dumbo

    I was nursing a Code Red hangover on Chinese New Years Day, famished, and everything in Shanghai was closed. Two peasant girls, stuck in the restaurant where they worked far from their families, took pity on me when I tried the locked restaurant’s door and shared their New Year’s meal with me. They were very sweet. I knew I didn’t recognize one of the dishes they served, but I was hungry and it wasn’t bad. I learned it was cat near the end of the meal when I discovered a claw at the end of my kuaizi. At least I assume it was cat. Anyway, I finished eating and thanked them sincerely.

  125. @Someone

    resident bigots and morons who cite real/exaggerated/apocryphal stories of eating animals to condemn others as barbarians, all while omitting any reference to domestic factory farms and endless wars

    haha, so, unless a criticism of an actual practice or characteristic is balanced with Western equivalence, it’s bigotry? You remind me of the western expats who, to show their cultural sensitivity, throw up examples like factory farms (which I have a long history of opposing) and are always so complimentary of all things Chinese (at least when there are Chinese around). The Chinese, correctly, perceive this as unjustified condescension, and your interactions are always merely formal. I preferred Chinese bluntness and was blunt right back at ’em. I had actual interactions with real people during my time in China and thereby learned much about my own culture and you won’t.

  126. @melpol

    Hardy pioneers exist only in fiction. Extreme poverty and hardship leads to many committing suicide.

    What an ignorant thing to say. Every pioneer class is hardy. The first pioneers on the Great Plains spent their first winters in holes dug into the sides of hills, and there is nothing mild about those winters.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  127. denk says:
    @MacNucc11

    So its ‘baby cannibalism’ horror now.
    shades of Iraqi baby incubators !
    What’ll they think of next ?

    its said that,
    murkkans have been taken for suckers by their ‘elected leaders’ not once, not twice but all of three centuries.
    Fool me once, shame on you…….

    how’s that possible ?

    Turns out murkkans aint fooled, they’r in it up to their eyeballs, part of the conspiracy.
    Lying is a national pass time.

    killing babies’

    Unlike murkkans,
    I dont do hearsay.

    According to Nam vet Stan Gott, the artillery boys zeroed in their barrage to the direction of crying babies !

    Primitive, but very effective, a sure fire way to kill lots of babies !

    http://www.homepagedaily.com/the-baby-killers/

    10000000 babies since ww2.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  128. denk says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    *Tolstoy argued that we became civilized when we protected the weak and the powerless (women and children) from the rule of violence. He saw efforts to reduce the suffering of animals (even more powerless) as the mark of an advanced civilization.*

    William Blum [RIP]
    the world was made to believe that it somehow needed the United States to save it from communist darkness.

    “Just buy our weapons,” said Washington, “let our military and our corporations roam freely across your land, and give us veto power over who your leaders will be, and we’ll protect you.”

    It was the cleverest protection racket since men convinced women that they needed men to protect them, for if all the men vanished overnight, how many women would be afraid to walk the streets?

    Since ww2, almost three hundreds countries had the misfortune to be cursed by MUrkkan ‘protection’, to the tune of 30000000 dead civilians , plus their pets. [1]

    *mark of advanced civilisation*

    Like I say, murkkans do have this great sense of humor..

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  129. The difference between Jews and Chinese is, while the Chinese are hypersensitive and will respond to any criticism by throwing up Western equivalencies, Jews blame every fault on non-Jews. For the Chinese it’s about saving face. For the Zionists it’s about achieving supremacy. The Chinese way prevents a very deep understanding of the “other”, which is why the Chinese will probably, too, succumb.

  130. @anon

    keeping illegal alien invaders out of your country by enforcing a border has nothing to do with useless foreign wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, etc

    What do you suppose caused the “illegal foreign invaders” to up sticks and come to your country?

  131. MacNucc11 says:
    @denk

    Ha, that is funny. You don’t think women would prey on other women. Hahahaha. Sucker!!

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @denk
  132. MacNucc11 says:
    @denk

    No one is arguing killing babies is not a bad thing, but as far as I know they Americans did not eat them. Like I said, this is something that is not common but does happen. As far as your silly rant, hmmm. Is it the American deep state that is promoting this story or do they more or less keep quiet about it? The babies in incubators was total crap and you are correct about that but it is in no way equivalent to stories of eating of babies in China which does not in any way make the msm because we were not promoting a war with China. The reason I believe the stories about the Chinese is because no one has traditionally had much reason to promote such stories, and LD article above touches directly on some of what the Chinese are accused of. Is he making it up? Is he working for the American propaganda machine to make the Vietnamese look bad?

    • Replies: @denk
  133. MacNucc11 says:
    @MacNucc11

    should say, would not prey on other women.

  134. MacNucc11 says:
    @Bombercommand

    My boy Hachi showed up today with just such a wound. Big swollen mass on the side of his head/neck area. Didn’t slow him down eating and he didn’t seem to mind me poking around but I want to get a better look at it. I will be giving blood twice this weekend. Once to the Red Cross and once for not having any anesthesia for Hachi. Anyone out there have a good topical wound treatment they can share?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @By-tor
  135. @MacNucc11

    The problem with applying a topical ointment like polysporin is the cat will end up eating it when it grooms itself, I would only apply something a vet has said is safe for cats. A cat heals itself really fast, a hurt paw that makes them limp heals in days, even with a broken bone they will find a hide and sit there for 2 weeks and it mends, truly astonishing. Toms have been fighting for thousands of years, literally. They only hit each others ears and the side of the face, they could go for the kill but dont. Their eyes are an easier target than the ears but they never tear out each other’s eyes, they have a code of honor. The problem is domestic cats are in much higher density than in the wild, so lots of scraping. Hachi-san has his balls, so he’s gonna have a swollen head and tore up ears, and the wounds will smell funky, I’m sure he likes it that way, scares the shit out of the opposition. Just wait till he brings you a gift of a huge rat, still alive, that means he really likes you.

  136. MacNucc11 says:

    I saw a thing on King Cobras once and they will wrestle but never bite which would kill their rival but they just wrestle like there are rules. Very interesting how animals interact. Probably the best thing is for me to try and clean it as best I can. Maybe some warm water and salt. Nothing that will make him sick or anything. Maybe a bit of cbd oil. I read also that animals know how to treat themselves and know which plants are good for certain things. My cats (all female) go outside and eat grass and roll in the sand. The sand kills keeps the fleas off and the grass makes them puke but it is good for them somehow. I know with cats sometimes the best thing to do is just open the cut and push the puss out so it heals quicker. And that will probably earn me a sucking wound. No one ever said I was smart.

  137. denk says:
    @MacNucc11

    Jeeze,
    Are you too stupid to understand ?

    There should be an AI driven filter to block frivolous posters.

  138. denk says:
    @MacNucc11

    No one is arguing killing babies is not a bad thing,[sic] but as far as I know they Americans did not eat them.

    Why dont you go tell those millions of poor sods whose families, babies, pets and all, were wiped out by murkkan bombs, ?

    While you’r at it, try eating a hellfire shattered brain splattered all over the sidewalk .

    * Like I said, this is something that is not common but does happen.

    so ,WTF are you farting on and on when you cant even produce one documented incident ?

    * we were not promoting a war with China*

    honey,
    You must be under some rock all these years.
    Try prepping, provoking, agitating, itching ?

    * Is he working for the American propaganda machine to make the Vietnamese look bad?*

    You’r so full of it.

    LIke me, LD is a murkkan B.S. buster,
    here’s a Linh Dinh classic.

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/top-killing/

  139. By-tor says:
    @MacNucc11

    Take him to the veterinarian. You can try to wipe it off, but do not put human ointment on the wound. Use terramycin which is for cats.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  140. @Craig Nelsen

    Every single time I crossed the Great Plains I thought about just how hardy were the people who crossed them in covered wagons, summer and winter. The Rockies and Sierras even more so.

  141. sb says:
    @MacNucc11

    Well then why did God make them so tasty then ?

  142. denk says:

    The dogs of war,

    https://images.app.goo.gl/8j5Xtkp4V33yk1a26
    [Fallujah]

    Its gruesome, the dog was chomping at a headless corpse, its the instinct for survival.
    The dog had prolly been starving for a long time, its master long dead.

    Tens of thousands of civilians and their pets were incinerated when the xtian army vowed to reduce Fullajah to shards, to avenge the death of four black water death squad members.

    P.S.
    The clamp down on internet is complete,
    lots of images have been scrubbed off, the remaining are propriety stuffs,

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  143. denk says:

    Harod Pinter

    I was present at a meeting at the US embassy in London in the late 1980s.

    The United States Congress was about to decide whether to give more money to the Contras in their campaign against the state of Nicaragua. I was a member of a delegation speaking on behalf of Nicaragua but the most important member of this delegation was a Father John Metcalf. The leader of the US body was Raymond Seitz (then number two to the ambassador, later ambassador himself). Father Metcalf said:

    Sir, I am in charge of a parish in the north of Nicaragua. My parishioners built a school, a health centre, a cultural centre. We have lived in peace. A few months ago a Contra force attacked the parish. They destroyed everything: the school, the health centre, the cultural centre. They raped nurses and teachers, slaughtered doctors, in the most brutal manner. They behaved like savages. Please demand that the US government withdraw its support from this shocking terrorist activity.

    Raymond Seitz had a very good reputation as a rational, responsible and highly sophisticated man. He was greatly respected in diplomatic circles. He listened, paused and then spoke with some gravity.

    ‘Father,’ he said, ‘let me tell you something. In war, innocent people always suffer.’

    There was a frozen silence. We stared at him. He did not flinch.

    ‘let me tell you something Raymond,
    In war, innocent people and their pets always suffer.’

    Exhibit B
    The Cat man of Syria.

    These cats became strays when their homes were obliterated in the cross fire between the murkkan sponsored jihadists and the Syria army.
    How many felines and doggies were blown to bits together with their owners ?

    The story is very touching, but alarm bells start ringing when they blamed it all on bombing by govn forces.

    Nothing is sacred these days, how many NGOs,
    charities, are wittingly/unwittingly serving the empire’s cause ?

    P.S.
    30000000 civilians and their pets have been killed by murkkan bombings since ww2.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @MacNucc11
  144. @denk

    DENK

    How many were killed in your war with India? How many Tibet dogs wish to be free from Chinese murder?

    How many Vietnamese cats died in your 1979 border war with Vietnam?

    How many pets would have to die in Taiwan.

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhhhhhhhhhhh

    • Replies: @By-tor
  145. denk says:

    hey moron

    I’ve been ignoring your craps since consigning you in my bozo file.
    But I’ll humor you one last time.

    If you still dunno know who started the 1962 war , what the fuck are you doing here anyway. ?

    Still drinking the kool aid about Tibet I see.

    1979 wasnt unlike 1962, China warned VN many time to stop border provocations before launching a ‘punitive strike’ .

    TW invasion

    Do you know that mainland movies, serials have been topping TW’S popularity chart for decades ?

    China has laid down the red line long ago,
    the PLA will act iff TW declare independence.

    TW is perfectly contend with the status quo,
    they aint falling over themselves to reunite with mainland , neither are they too keen for independence.

    BUt your arsonists in DC have been goading the separatists in TW ,who’s since getting bolder.

    YOur assholes leaders just couldnt leave well undone.

    If shtf, we know who’d be responsible for the carnage.

    hehehhe

    Phew !
    what the fuck am I wasting so much time on you.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  146. serhenry says:
    @Justsaying

    An educated man understands Latin. You, my friend, are not educated. You must be American

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  147. @denk

    DENK

    It would not surprise me that Chinese media is widely consumed in Taiwan because you killed most of the Natives when you invaded the country after killing the Dutch to take it over. Of course they were Austronesian headhunting primitives.

    Do they miss THEIR pets?

    Your general was the one who pleaded with the US Navy to block Mao from pursuing his army to Taiwan in the aftermath of World War II and Americans were sadly drawn into a historical issue that none of them cared about to this day.

    However, I’m glad you chose to respond to my post. Thanks for humoring me because you are humor-ous.

  148. @serhenry

    Why is the US such a powerful country if the people are uneducated?

    • Replies: @serhenry
  149. @Craig Nelsen

    Scranton greetings, Craig Nelsen!

    Not meaning to, with bad intention, to narrow the focus of your excellent comment, but I want to tell you a personal work story regarding your sentence, “They were the ones who would cram as many cattle as possible into a semi for the trip to the slaughterhouse, making liberal use of the cattle prod on the terrified creatures.”

    Back in the Summer of (approximately) 2011, I was an OSHA certified haz mat emergency spill response supervisor. Part of my job was to enlist manufacturing companies into my cost-free Emergency Service Contract. One accomplishment was Cargill Wyalusing, former Taylor Packing plant, having signed an E.R.S. agreement.

    Soon, and in order to acquaint my firm with the intricacies of the Cargill operations, I was invited to a walk-through with the plant’s EH&S manager.

    Will cut to bone, now Craig.

    Upon passing successfully through security, I saw a jam packed building of cows, destined for slaughter. Fyi, I learned that the cows were periodically shuttled toward a ramp which ended in a drop-off into which cows fell and their bodies were trapped by a mechanical strait jacket.

    Upon facility tour completion, & before returning to my office, I spoke with a Cargill worker who smoked a cigarette nearby the small security office. Courteously, I asked him, “Sir, can you tell me how the cows are executed?”

    Enthusiastic, he replied, “Well, there is a worker who has an ‘upgraded’ Cargill-compensated position. He has the job of shooting the cows in the head with a slug gun which has no contaminant gun powder, and ‘splat,’ the restrained cow is dead meat.”

    “Oh man, that kind of good paying job ain’t for me.”

    “Yes, I know what ‘ya mean, Mister. ‘Cuz I drink with the guy and who plugs the cows, and he swears he often sees ‘death row’ tears in the cows eyes.”

    Thanks again for the great comment, Craig.

    • Replies: @denk
  150. By-tor says:
    @jeff stryker

    How many pets and livestock were killed by the illegal US-NATO bombings and vandalism of Iraq and Yugoslavia or the two US-instigated Sunni terrorist campaigns against Russians in Chechnya? When the American and NATO
    propagandized ‘moralists’ can answer those questions, then they can lecture the Chinese about eating cats and dogs.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Macnucc11
  151. @Charles

    Are you sure it’s not because of an imbalance of humours or possibly just Mercury in retrograde?

  152. denk says:

    Patrick Cockburn

    If there’s one atrocity that should outrage the antiwar movement, Fallujah is it.

    Which ‘antiwar movement is he talking about ?

    Where’s the outrage ?

    ‘We dont do body count on collateral damages’.

    BUt murkkans are super passionate about animals, there’s a peta international with a chapter in every country !

    hOW come nobody tell them war is a mega meat shredder of cats and dogs ?

    AI

    At any day, somewhere on earth, murkkan bombs would be falling, separating limbs from bodies and men from their dogs.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/yemens-descent-into-hell/5654584

    Where’s peta when you need them most ?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  153. durd says:

    Are there many Cabelas in Vietnam or it’s equivalent? Seems many folks in the US are ok with killing animals for sport, and wear the clothes to broadcast the fact. I have spent many years in an Alaskan frontier town. Guides complain about the laziness of their clients and the preference for the size of horns or antlers rather than the meat.

    In the fall, hunting areas are inundated with people in camouflage and 4-wheelers even though there are very few places to use a 4-wheeler other than the dirt road they drove on to get there. The land for the most part is unaccommodating due to restrictions, trees and extremely rough tundra. For the most part one can use the word “wusses” dressed to kill!

    I personally have killed big game animals but I don’t consider it a sport, but more a pain in the ass for a healthier and cheaper meat.

    What Linh describes is not too different than a visit to the natives in the town that I have spent 25 years in, minus some winter departures. Nobody that I know of makes moonshine but there is plenty of beer and wine making.A jerry can of moonshine would have to be hidden and secretive if one wanted to keep it for more than one occasion.

    So I am not particularly disturbed by another culture that thinks of cats the way we think of cows.

    I didn’t lose much sleep killing 10’s of thousands of sea cucumbers for the Chinese, maybe it saved a cat or two.

    The town was written about by John McPhee, he was pretty accurate for the time but the town has shrunk, the folks are older,the new motel has no clients not even for an hour and the attached cafe is rarely occupied, but hey frontiersmen and wusses alike are welcome. Sh*t we could even use a lady of the night! Some are past the fear of being scorned!

  154. serhenry says:
    @jeff stryker

    Your military is the strongest in the world, but your education system is amongst the worst. You are the most powerful as well as being the most stupid.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  155. @serhenry

    That is a tragic combination.

  156. @denk

    If you think Christianity was the impetus behind the carnage visited on the Middle East over the last half century, you will be easy pickings when your time comes. It’s just as well. The ressentiment that fuels your hatred has never produced anything worthwhile in the world, and never will. The Chinese century will be notable for the meanness of its ambitions.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @denk
  157. @Craig Nelsen

    CRAIG

    Visit the Philippines to get a look at what Chinese ambition looks like. Meth labs bubble on every corner of the country. Workers are paid peanuts by SM store owners. No EPA laws. Corruption down to the garbageman and up to the highest office.

    Go to Indonesia. Philippines. Malaysia.

    That’s a Chinese century for you.

  158. denk says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Without any credible antiwar movement,
    The Animal Protection League International
    might be the best bet to save humanity from Armageddon.

    More power to peta !

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  159. denk says:
    @By-tor

    Unfortunately,
    The xtian countries have all forgotten their bibles.

    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  160. MacNucc11 says:
    @denk

    So basically the whole sum of your argument on this whole thread is that two wrongs do make a right. So the fact that the Chinese murdered millions of their own people and now continue to torture animals to death make it all good? So Americans waging evil war and also hurting animals makes everything equal and ok? So by your calculus was it actually wrong to bomb innocent civilians so long as you are consistent and are cruel to animals? So we’re all good then. No criticism of bad so long as bad is being done elsewhere. You seem to think others here want to believe evil things about the Chinese. Kind of reminds me of the anit Semitism cannard. We just tend to be neurotically disposed to believe evil of Chinese, Jews, and other cultures Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything I want to shut my eyes and block out the horrors they commit and believe it could never happen in my worst nightmares. I have no predisposition to believe anything evil toward the Chinese. So as far as you are concerned everything is ok and hunky dory so long as someone somewhere is doing evil? But strangely you seem really pissed about the evil Americans have done. Very strange because you have argued that this should really be ok. Why are you picking on Americans when others have also done wrong?

    • Replies: @denk
  161. MacNucc11 says:
    @denk

    God bless the cat man of Syria and definitely not Chinese. He is taking great care of them judging by their appearance. We have one thing that we can agree on, just say not to NGO. They need to add a few more letters and call them NOGOODS. And curse the Americans and Jihadists who did this to these animals and of course the people of Syria. Shows me that they were good and decent people who have been murdered by the Americans ))).

    • Replies: @denk
  162. MacNucc11 says:
    @By-tor

    Update on Hachi. Seems I was worried over nothing. Seems to be healing nicely with catnip and enough food to bankrupt me.

  163. denk says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Im against bombing

    Talk is cheap.

    My animal loving comrades in China are fighting tooth and nail with the animal vendors…and winning.

    Where’s the antiwar movement in USA ?

    rESENtment ?!

    All I did was pointing out,
    xtianity and ‘human rights’ is an oxymoron,
    thats all.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  164. denk says:
    @MacNucc11

    curse the Americans and Jihadists who did this to these animals

    talk is cheap,

    My animal loving comrades in China are fighting tooth and nail with the vendors and winning.

    What’r you gonna do about it ?

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  165. denk says:
    @MacNucc11

    So basically the whole sum of your argument on this whole thread is that two wrongs do make a right.

    yOUR reading comprehension sucks.

    MY points in a nutshell.
    Those who wipe out a generation of Vietnamese and their pets have no biz lecturing them on animal or
    human rights.

    Is that too difficult for you to understand ?

    * So the fact that the Chinese murdered millions of their own people *

    FFS,
    yOU still buying that B.S. ?

    We know the 5liars [not only their murkkan leader] murdered millions,

    here’r the irrefutable facts…
    Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Iraq, Kosovo, LIbya,
    Syria, Yemen…

    *and now continue to torture animals to death make it all good?*

    The vast majority of Chinese are determined to stop that practice.
    what’r the west doing to stop the murkkan’s wars ?
    zero, nein, nada, zilch.

    Charity starts at home, no ?

    *You seem to think others here want to believe evil things about the Chinese. *

    Like I say, have you been under some rock ?
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49667.htm

    *. Why are you picking on Americans when others have also done wrong?*

    once again, you get everything upside down,
    its the yanks that have been picking on the Chinese.

    But you got a point there,
    Actually its the murkkan led 5liars that’s been picking on the Chinese.
    Fixed.

  166. @denk

    Not adequately informed about (Z)america’s dog adoration & social engineered alienation from one another & of course “neighbors,” denk tried to make a general point presumably concerning all life,🙄and he wrote: “Without any credible antiwar movement,
    The Animal Protection League International
    might be the best bet to save humanity from Armageddon. More power to peta!”

    Yo denk!

    As one who gave up deer & small game hunting during the mid-1970’s, I can relateyour enthusiasm & for protection of animals.

    Nonetheless, pet food has become one of my “Homeland’s” best selling items.

    For example, here in broken Scranton, & on a weekly basis, I see rather poor people at “Price Chopper Market,” and how they loadup up carts with big bags of dog food. Good natured, they sacrifice purchases of Pennsylvania “Scratch Off” lottery tickets and beer.

    Fyi, here in ZUSA, Big Pharma gets a piece of the action🤑! They developed & TV marketed opioid painkillers for dogs.

    Selah, the acronym “PETA” could best stand for Percocet Each Terrier Around.

    Thanks, denk!

    • Replies: @denk
  167. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    MY points in a nutshell.
    Those who wipe out a generation of Vietnamese and their pets have no biz lecturing them on animal or
    human rights.

    Is that too difficult for you to understand ?

    Yes, that is too difficult for me to understand. Would those be the pet cat they ate for not catching mice or the dog they ate because they taste good. For your information since you bring up Viet Nam it may come as a surprise to you that the anit-war movement gained pretty good traction in this country and led ultimately to ending that war. Is that hard for you to understand?

    So you have confirmed that two wrongs do make a right in your mind. This is exactly what you are saying above. Why shouldn’t they lecture on animal cruelty? Because Viet Nam was bombed and that was wrong? So now we must excuse everything the Vietnamese do because they were wronged once. This sounds exactly like the holocaust narrative. Can’t criticize Israel because Nazis.

    If people in China are trying to end the cruel practices toward animals then I am all for it and I applaud them for their efforts and I consider that absolutely fantastic news. Could be a result of them becoming Christianized and soon to be the largest Christian nation on earth. If what you say is true the two seem to be trending together and not against each other.

  168. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    This link you provided is nonsense as well. Where does someone get the notion that the Chinese are routinely ridiculed and that their culture is not appreciated? You must never have heard of the Terra Cotta Warriors exhibit that was a huge success at the Smithsonian Institute. You must also have never had school age children studying China because they are surely not pushing an evil Chinese narrative in our public schools, nor were they when I was in school and China was fully communist. You also must have never seen the television show Kung Fu or any number of martial arts movies. Where I live a horrendous crime of Chinese on Chinese happened. A mob hit where even children were killed and no leads were ever turned up because the Chinese expat community here would not cooperate in any way with the police. However there was no negative press received for this and no major push against the Chinese American community.
    I actually know a Chinese American bar owner here and one of the nicest guys you could meet. I always admired him for his attitude toward illegal activity which was if you didn’t get caught it was ok. He was into gambling, tax evasion. But I never held that against him because in my opinion he had a very strong libertarian attitude which I always admired. The Chinese cleaner in my building is a great guy who talks to me every day when he finds me still at work after hours. His son is going to Harvard. The Vietnamese cleaning lady is a good friend and told me about making Kimchee and black garlic. I gave her tips on rental property and referred her to my friend’s accountant. I bought a black garlic maker from her sister so I am in no way predisposed against either Chinese or Vietnamese but I feel free to lecture about animal abuse because it is wrong period. I certainly have no guilt for American wars because I have opposed all of them in the past and going forward.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  169. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    My animal loving comrades in China are fighting tooth and nail with the vendors and winning.

    What’r you gonna do about it ?

    I will happily support them in any way I can and exactly how are they your comrades? Are you fighting alongside them? So what you are saying also contradicts what you have said prior that this is western propaganda. Which is it? Are they fighting vendors who are doing this or is it just propaganda in which case no fight, no comrades, and nothing to win?

    • Replies: @denk
  170. Macnucc11 says:
    @By-tor

    How many pets and livestock were killed by the illegal US-NATO bombings and vandalism of Iraq and Yugoslavia or the two US-instigated Sunni terrorist campaigns against Russians in Chechnya? When the American and NATO
    propagandized ‘moralists’ can answer those questions, then they can lecture the Chinese about eating cats and dogs.

    You have two choices. Your loved ones can be bombed or tortured to death in a way that causes maximum pain. Simple question, just let me know.
    I know what I am going with. Bomb please.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @By-tor
    , @denk
  171. @Macnucc11

    The silly thing about the Asians here is that they are naive enough to believe the American public has any say in the wars of the government.

    There is a reason why the US government no longer drafts soldiers.

    Americans want nothing to do with the ME or the wars of its leadership.

  172. @denk

    DENK

    You paranoiac obsession with the tall big-dicked long-nosed cowboy is verging on delusion-

    “Picking on China”

    China is the one sending its industrial spies to America to steal technological secrets. We also deal with your worst criminals.

    Kosovo? That was an internal beef. Libya? Ghaddafi launched missiles at a Navy vessel first.

    Indonesia? Perhaps the US propped up Suharto but the guy died in a plane crash. The reason Chinese were massacred there is that Malays dislike you running their economy.

    What are you going to blame Americans for next? Acid indigestion?

    • Replies: @Biff
  173. Biff says:
    @Macnucc11

    Go back to school, and learn to read and write.

  174. By-tor says:
    @Macnucc11

    The US-NATO bombings serve no purpose other than mass murder for resource control and political and or cultural destruction of countries.

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  175. Biff says:
    @jeff stryker

    Libya? Ghaddafi launched missiles at a Navy vessel first.

    You’ve already proven yourself to be a basement dweller somewhere, and the affirmations continue.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Tungarian
  176. denk says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    What I mean is, Chuck, those peta guys, gals are super motivated.

    If one day they get around to knowing what pentagon is doing to the cats, dogs…they might launch an occupy pentagon to demand an end to the madness.

    So it might take the Animal protection league to save our human ass from Armageddon.
    That’ll be the day.

    heheheh

  177. @Biff

    BIFF

    Well you wouldn’t live in a basement because Indian houses you call “Bungalows” (BUNGALOW, BUNGALOW, ICHI ICHI BUNGALOW”) don’t have them.

    The only buildings with basements in India are Mumbai hotels, as far as I know. Not a single house in India (If that is what you wish to call a villa) has a bungalow.

    How would I know this if I lived in my parent’s basement my entire life?

    How would I know you were Indian and although in your twenties or thirties still resided in said bungalow with your parents?

    How would I know all this if I were some white deadbeat loser who had never left the United States?

  178. denk says:
    @Macnucc11

    I know what I am going with. Bomb please.

    OMFG,
    Why dont you ask the Iraqis, Yemenis, Syrians, Libyans..[1]

    ‘What make you sit up in cold sweat in the middle of night….
    The thought that some people in China are eating dogs or the approaching sound of murkkan bombers , or Reapers drones hovering over your heads ‘?

    *bomb please*

    Thats the trouble innit ?

    You can afford to spew such nonsense cuz its always you dissing it out, nobody is able to hit back,.
    You’ve never suffered the fates of your victims so you are utterly devoid of empathy to their sufferings. [2]

    Be careful what you wish for ,
    your psychopathic leaders seems to figure that nuclear war is winnable , if shtf, when your dear leaders launch a first strrike on China/Russia, you’d get a taste of your own medicine when the retaliatory strike turn your town to glass.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Macnucc11
  179. @denk

    DENK

    Impossible because corporations run the Pentagon and they have too many sweatshops in China. The US is money first and they make money off outsourcing.

    Nobody wants a nuclear winter over the Philippines, a country of drug addicts run by corrupt cops.

    As for Russia, it is controlled by the Jewish oligarchy.

    Money rules.

  180. denk says:
    @Macnucc11

    I will happily support them in any way I can

    misread, again.

    *curse the Americans and Jihadists who did this to these animals*

    Cursing wont stop the bombings.
    What’r you gonna do about it ?

    Why is peta in China instead of laying siege to pentagon ?

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  181. Tungarian says:
    @Biff

    Ever heard of the African union and Gaddafi’s insistence on Gold payments for Libyan oil?? Do you even know anything about the FED cabal and their fake money? Petro-dollar and the likes?

    Jeff jeff why don’t you stick to your sexploits about whores in the Philippines and Thailand which is what you supposedly know best??

    Geopolitics and the world of money/gold is not one of your strong points so let the men handle it. You can keep pounding your $5 sucky sucky bought and paid for wife and telling us how AWESOME life is for you in the tropics. Beyond that all you put forth is a mish mash cooked up by various trolls writing under the Jeff Stryker [what a fakea** name by thew ay] moniker!

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  182. @Tungarian

    TUNGARY

    …Did you ever know anybody who actually worked in the oil industry in Libya? I did, as I met them in Dubai and the Philippines.

    Fact of the matter is that Ghaddafi could have made Libya a much better place with the petrodollar…he didn’t.

    As for the Fed Reserve, well, you’re probably using that money right now. Is it owned by the J Man? I think so. But it also makes the best value of exchange. So the public has remained with it. And because cash provides anonymity and credit cards don’t, people will continue to use it.

    Geopolitics? Well I live overseas, I have had some exposure to it. I’ve known oil company employees who hung around Libya waiting for the industry to open up. Mostly Brits and a few Americans.

  183. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    Your whole shtick amounts to “what are you doing about it?” Simple, facile, and dishonest. What are you doing about it? I am in agreement, PETA should be laying siege to the Pentagon and also in China. Sounds like you also want to be laying siege to the Pentagon. What are you doing about it? Talk is cheap isn’t it?

    • Replies: @denk
  184. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    Yes bombs are not dropping on my neighborhood but I do wish that they were not dropping anywhere else either. You seem to think it is a zero sum game. So long as bombs are being dropped somewhere then it is ok to forgive gratuitous cruelty to animals. I am opposed to all of it.
    Being that you could not answer the simple question I put to Tor I guess you concede that point, or are you actually saying you hope to be tortured to death? Besides one thing has nothing to do with the other. Are the animals that are tortured to death somehow guilty of the bombing by Americans? I mean this is some really twisted tortured logic. Are the perpetrators holding these animals to account for American war crimes in places other than China?
    You do not understand my or any other psychopathic leaders. War is the win for them. Nuclear or otherwise. It all means more power to them. Only a fool thinks anyone cares for an actual win. They want wars against enemies that can be perpetual and by design not winnable. Empathize? Hell yeah I empathize because I am fully aware that what they have done overseas they will do here. I am well familiar with Waco? Do you know what that was? I am familiar with Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears. Have you ever heard of the War of Northern Aggression? You know how many lost their lives to the federal government then? All Americans too, except for the Irish immigrants pressed into service. American citizens have been ethnically cleansed from places such as the Appalachians. Let me know how your siege of the Pentagon is going.

    • Replies: @denk
  185. Macnucc11 says:
    @By-tor

    Well your post contradicts itself.

    The US-NATO bombings serve no purpose other than mass murder for resource control and political and or cultural destruction of countries

    That is a purpose, just a bad one, but huge money and power at stake so at least understandable from a sociopathic point of view.

    So thank you for conceding the point and agreeing at least that bombing, so long as you take the hit direct more or less is a much more humane way to be killed.

  186. durd says:

    I thought the article was about a segment of rural Vietnamese life and sharing good times with unusual food and drink.

    In my little town a few have a taste for bunny rabbits is there a link between this activity and American warmongering and Chinese crimes against cats?

  187. denk says:
    @Macnucc11

    Sounds like you also want to be laying siege to the Pentagon. What are you doing about it? Talk is cheap isn’t it?

    I cant , nobody can touch murkka.
    Except the murkkans themselves.

    Che Guevara
    “I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky. You are fighting the most important fight of all – you live in the belly of the beast.”

    unlike chiding the Chinese on cyberspace, standing up to tptb at home entails sacrifice, it takes cojones.

    Kathy Kelly have been jailed multiple times for her one man crusade to occupy pentagon.

    http://sainthoward.blogspot.com/2014/

    Are you up to it ?
    ====================

    YOu’r right,
    peta should lay siege at pentagon until’ it stop bombing people and their pets.

    Without any credible antiwar movements,
    The international Animal protection league is our best bet to stop the madness, they’ve the scope, they have the clout.

    is peta up to it ?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Macnucc11
  188. denk says:
    @Macnucc11

    Being that you could not answer the simple question I put to Tor I guess you concede that point, or are you actually saying you hope to be tortured to death?

    You offer a faux choice.
    Its not as if the hundreds of countries bombed by [1] murkka since ww2 are offered a multiple choice …

    Choose A if you prefer to be bombed by murkka,

    B if you would rather your dogs be eaten by Chinese.

    BTW, before you click on that A option,
    I suggest you take a look at some pics of D.U., agent orange, Hiroshima survivors.
    Many lost their limbs, eyes, face, raked by cancer, their sufferings are life time.
    Some would say they’r better dead than alive.

    [1]
    https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/united-states-bombings-of-other-countries

    Where’s that vaunted antiwar movement that ‘stopped the war in Nam’ ?

    I rest my case.
    [grinder alert ]

    P.S.
    I think you heart is at the right place, but like a typical dumbed down yank, your ignorance is staggering.

    *NO smear campaign against Chinese that I know of*

    Sigh, what more can I say, after posting tons of evidence on the murkkan led ‘yellow peril’ fear porn all cross the 5liars land. ?

    Lastly,
    YOu keep bleating on that CIA concoted
    whataboutism‘ bullshit .

    ‘If you call out murkkan hypocrisy, you’r defending China, Russia, Ghadafi, Saddam …blah blah blah.

    Go take a logic 101 course !

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  189. @denk

    DENK

    Meh, tell all that to some poor white American peasant who wants a factory-sweeping job that went to China.

    I actually give China credit. Unhindered by silly abstracts like religion or political theory, you simply DO BUSINESS.

    You buy and sell in other countries. Iran would much rather do business with you than Americans because you don’t bore them with the talk of Christianity. You just buy and sell.

  190. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    I just really want to know what does American bombing have to do with anything? If Linh Dinh had written an article talking about the American bombing of other countries then I am not defending the practice. Why are you defending Chinese cruelty to animals? There is no logical link between the two or are you suggesting this is how Americans do animal cruelty? Trust me the dogs and cats as well as other animals are not the target. Now you want to bring up agent orange. Our own people got sick from that. Sure it was wrong and was widely condemned here. You are the one who needs the logic course. A has nothing to do with B.
    Here is some logic for you; show me a logical link between animal cruelty in China and American bombing in Viet Nam? The link only exists in your mind and it is not real. You have shown zero evidence that there is some kind of yellow peril campaign against China. You sent out some link with someone trying hard to make that point based on zero evidence. I really don’t think you could find anyone to get all crazy about the Chinese here to mount any kind of scare.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  191. Macnucc11 says:
    @denk

    I cant , nobody can touch murkka.
    Except the murkkans themselves

    That is a total lie. Plenty can and have. Do you have something keeping you from becoming an American?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  192. @Macnucc11

    MAC

    Why would anyone want to be an American. I was born in the US, and since then, have never lived in a country as spontaneously dangerous due to chimpouts from blacks and Mestizos. What is so great about America? What opportunities does it offer that China does not?

    I just never, as an American who traveled around the world, saw anything great about America. Yes, it has some very wealthy areas (Very small and mostly Jewish) and even these are only walking distance from ghettos.

    Sure, I can understand why Latin Americans come to the US. But why would any Chinese person come to the US. There are vast ghettos and even the middle class is not that well off.

  193. @Macnucc11

    MAC

    People like Denk are obsessed with America merely because they sense it to be the most powerful country in the world with the greatest influence.

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  194. Macnucc11 says:
    @jeff stryker

    He strikes me as someone definitely not Chinese. Chinese are pretty stoic and definitely not whiners. He/she/it comes across more like one of those people who spray paint something derogatory on their own house because they so want to be seen as persecuted. Not buying it from them or him.

  195. Macnucc11 says:
    @jeff stryker

    I am with you there and have been looking long and hard at expatriating myself. Italy sounds like a decent option as their government has gotten some cojones on dealing with Soros and his ilk importing a new people in to replace the old. I am just saying that anyone who wants to take a shot at causing some trouble here will most likely be rushed through the process while my friend’s Filipino mother in law died never seeing her grandchildren even though they dotted all the i’s and crossed the t’s. The Chinese that do come here are not intimidated and have seen some pretty rough conditions. Next Denk to explain that factory work in China is not all that bad, and if it is, well damn didn’t America bomb Iraq or something?

  196. Macnucc11 says:
    @jeff stryker

    I am with you there and have been looking long and hard at expatriating myself. Italy sounds like a decent option as their government has gotten some cojones on dealing with Soros and his ilk importing a new people in to replace the old. I am just saying that anyone who wants to take a shot at causing some trouble here will most likely be rushed through the process while my friend’s Filipino mother in law died never seeing her grandchildren even though they dotted all the i’s and crossed the t’s. The Chinese that do come here are not intimidated and have seen some pretty rough conditions. Next Denk to explain that factory work in China is not all that bad, and if it is, well damn didn’t America bomb Iraq or something?

  197. durd says:

    Y’all are coming from the wusses side. You don’t know what your meat went through before it entered your mouth. The only guilt free person would be a lifelong vegetarian. Unfortunately there is no getting around this. One cultures ‘wild’ is another cultures ‘pet’ and yet another cultures ‘deity’.

    You can go to McDonalds and not even know what that thing in the middle is made of.It could be part cat,dog and …who knows.

    Killing something is cruel. Pulling a fish in by it’s mouth is cruel but who feels bad about that? Jailing crabs in pots then dumping them in holds is cruel, but yet again, nobody thinks about it.

    Apparently, humans eat just about everything and you can’t draw a line between domesticated animals vs wild animals.We have folks that love cats and dogs and think that eating these animals is an especially egregious crime and the people that do so are subhuman. It is quite likely that those who do eat cats or dogs don’t have those feelings for them yet the folks here want them to.Maybe even those who eat what others deem as off limits would rather eat something else but it is economically not viable. Some places don’t have the environment or means to raise and kill the preferred dumb livestock so they make do and eat other things.

    What if Americans become so cold to the homeless that dogs and cats start disappearing? I know, the homeless will be downgraded to subsubhuman. With dogs and cats locked into the house and dumpsters made homeless proof, what will they eat? Each other?

    Will the intelligent writers here cry out about the injustice or will they cheer it on? They will cheer it on till a salivating homeless person appears on their lawn…and they will either shoot or kick out their cat.

    • Replies: @Macnucc11
  198. Macnucc11 says:
    @durd

    I actually have a homeless person living in my house. He does some work for me but it really is a sacrifice on my part because I would be better off renting the room. I can attest that you can put one in a house, feed him, clothe him etc, and he will still want to sleep in his own feces and spend the day drunk and high and staring at his phone while I am out working. Actually a very decent guy though but a real train wreck.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  199. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi all,

    I’ll give a reading in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday at 3PM, so do come out and say hello if you’re around.

    It’s at Rumah Attap Library & Collective
    84c, Jalan Rotan, Kampung Attap, 50460
    Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan

    Linh

  200. @denk

    Where’s the antiwar movement in USA ?

    rESENtment ?!

    All I did was pointing out,
    xtianity and ‘human rights’ is an oxymoron,
    thats all.

    I used the French spelling in order to refer to that particular kind of hatred that drove Rousseau, and which appears to be animating you.

    Yes, where IS the antiwar movement in the United States? If you can identify why there is none, then you will know that Christianity is not your enemy. Its main fault is weakness. But it is not your enemy. No need to advertise your ignorance and gullibility by writing “xtian”.

  201. @denk

    Is your keyboard missing some letters, or do you intend the refusal to write “Christ” to send some kind of message?

    Do you write xlam instead of Islam?

    Asking for a friend.

  202. @jeff stryker

    The overwhelming majority of wealthy people living in the USA are NOT Jewish, even though Jews are disproportionately represented among the wealthy.

    Excluding Los Angeles area and NYC / North Jersey, the people living in wealthy neighborhoods around the USA are often almost 100% NON-Jewish, simply because in many cities and most towns, no more than ONE percent of the population is Jewish in the first place.

    Next, other than big-city downtowns, nice affluent neighborhoods are usually NOT next to a bad neighborhood by any means.

    Once again, you’re either not actually an American or simply very out of date with your knowledge about the USA in these respects.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  203. @Macnucc11

    You’re a good man. I admire what you are doing for this man. Just be careful.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  204. @RadicalCenter

    RADICAL

    I wish I was Australian or some other G-7 but alas no, I’m an American who was born in Southeast Michigan.

    Its been twenty years since I lived in the US.

    The only change I have noticed is that people seem to be more angry at (THEM!) now than in the nineties when only 70 year old New Hampshire WASPS disliked (DA CHOZEN). I am not one of (THEY) but in the nineties barring the odd JAP joke there was no feeling towards (THEM) in particular.

    Clinton was in office when I left. Those who disliked him did not associate liberalism with (DA TRIBE CALLED QUEST) but with hippies who dodged the draft.

  205. @RadicalCenter

    RADICAL

    And you guys wonder why people like me live overseas.

    Here is a question. Why does the US have more homelessness among whites than other countries like Australia or Canada?

    Can you explain why the US has so many homeless white people. Oh, Western Europe has a few. But most of them are druggies.

    Why does the US have so many normal white people homeless.

    And why have the numbers increased vastly since I lived in the US in the 90’s. When I was a young man only old winos were homeless and crackheads.

    What happened to make ordinary white people capable of functioning homeless since 1998 when I lived in America?

    Can any of you answer that?

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Macnucc11
  206. Biff says:
    @jeff stryker

    Why does the US have so many normal white people homeless.

    Simple math answers that question. Just draw a thirty year graph of wages vs cost of living.

    Immigrants sleep three to one bedroom in a crappy trailer house, and during the day they work low wage restaurant or construction jobs – this is the competition. The only job requirement or skill set is to show up to work on a consistent basis.

    If you’re a white millennial with limited job skills, this is your lifestyle – or homelessness. Get it?

  207. @Biff

    BIFF

    Are wages the same as they were in the 90’s when I was young? (Born in 1974)

    We hear of Gen Y living in “their parents basements” when they are in their 30’s. Is this because of the job market?

    Why were their less white people in the 1990’s homeless? What did Bush do to make things worse?

    Why do so man Gen Y abuse Opoids? Is this because of the bad economy?

    Why does the white working class seem worse off now than in the 90’s? What happened in the Bush era?

    See, at 45 and having lived my life overseas I don’t know the answers to the these questions.

    Truthfully, America never offered me anything. I left at 25 in 1999 and did not have a spouse, dependents or a house at the time. So I had no reason to remain in the US. Back then, people watched less television so I was not going to turn down jobs in other countries because cable was more expensive over there or I would miss a television series?

    Here’s a final question, since I sense you are Gen Y. Why is the media so influential and television so important to Gen Y?

  208. @Biff

    BIFF

    I have a few more questions for another expat, since, by your own statements, you left the US as well.

    Why are more white people homeless in the US than in Canada or Australia or even Western Europe?

    Of all the white former British colonies, conditions for white people appear worse in the US than in Australia or Canada on the fundamental standard of living scale. Why? If the US constitution is so great than why does the US have a lower standard of living than say, Australia?

    Since the Bush era, things seem to have gotten worse in the US for white people. Much is made of what a socialist Muslim negro fool Obama was (And I don’t dispute this) but the real slide seems to have been Bush. Why was the Bush era the tipping point?

    I actually find your answers relevant and appreciate them.

  209. Macnucc11 says:
    @jeff stryker

    I think Phil is an example of what you refer to as a normal white guy homeless. Thirty years old from a good but very liberal family in Oregon. He has a lot of issues with their philosophy and where it broke down likely where the rubber meets the road. Now they had their own charity case to deal with and they couldn’t really cope with it. He rejects liberalism for the most part and leans libertarian so refuses social services and ended up at my house through other tenants that I had who since left. He is not crazy as many homeless are. Just alcoholic. So when he is sober he is bright, funny, and a decent help around the house. When he is drunk he is tedious, boring, and a liability. He more or less stays on the straight and narrow for a few days gets some cash working for my neighbor who actually trusts him with keys to his rental properties, because he is not a thief or criminal, and then hits the skids for a day but usually pulls it together in a day or so. Makes it hard for him to hold a regular job but he can help out in other ways and would rather do that than collect from the government. I had another tenant who was getting money from the government and really new how to work the system. He was a nice guy who loved to cook who suffered a brain injury from lack of oxygen at some point working with some power tool in an enclosed area. The interesting thing about both of these guys is that they had a negative perception of Jews. So it has me thinking that maybe the cry of anti-Semitism is actually true when guys like this come to feel animosity toward jews. Could be they have nothing to lose and not afraid to reject the pervasive PR campaign.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  210. @Macnucc11

    MAC

    What is so odd for me to get used to, having lived overseas since 1999 when I was 25, is how OLD men are who live at home.

    When I was young in the early 90’s, it was highly abnormal for anyone to live at home after age 19 or 20. And this included women.

    In 1994 if you were 20 and lived at home it was because of some handicap. Young people either joined the military, went to college or if they were hardcore stoners they simply worked or pushed dope but NOBODY lived at home when they were 20 years old.

    It is so bizarre that MEN now live at home age 30.

    Also, in those days, nobody really talked to their parents much after they left home. Maybe a phone call once a week. E mail came on the scene in 1997 when I was 23 but before that you simply did not talk to your parents. You moved hundreds of miles away from home at age 19…the end.

    I was overseas by the age of 25.

    These days young people have never left HOME and they are 25?

    My question is…WHERE DO THEY SCREW?

    It was bad enough sharing an apartment with two other bachelor pigs KNOWING they could hear you fornicating with some girl.

    But where do Gen Y bring girls? Into Mom’s house? When I was young one reason to leave home was to have sex. No wonder Gen Y are incels. Motels must do a HUGE business these days with all these young people living at home when they are 20.

    Or perhaps that is the reason for porn addiction.

  211. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Spoken like a true cuck. The only subhuman type currently existing on this planet is the huwhyte emasculate. You huwhyte cucks are so “compassionate” and attuned to the “suffering of the powerless” that you happily turn over your nations, your women, and your very necks to whoever deigns hold the whip as doing so seems like the “good person thing to do” to you weirdos. I truly cannot think of a single thing so unspeakably despised by nature as the huwhyte cuck.

    Now go back to worshiping your dog while the dusky invader bangs out your daughter in the upstairs bedroom. You compassionate human you lmao.

  212. By-tor says:

    Yes, evidently Craig has no problem with the NATO militaries bombing, maiming and blockading dark-skinned foreign people and their animals while at the same moment allowing the relatives of those being bombed and blockaded to emigrate en masse without their animals to designated NATO vassal states.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  213. @By-tor

    By-Tor

    Since Dubya as responsible for this why isn’t the US accepting refugees?

    Oh, a few Iraqi top advisers and Afghani compradors got US citizenship but for the most part the US has washed its hands of the mess created in the ME when it invaded in 2003 and when Ghaddafi was deposed.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  214. By-tor says:
    @jeff stryker

    Where I live, the ugly-faced burqa women and their scarf-wearing little girls are at the two grocery stores, but there are few of them, really. I only see a few scarf-wearing teenage girls at the soccer park and running track now and again. Local Arab women drive well-used mini-vans that have a small litter of children in them more often than not. There are not near as many Arabs as there are rude and pushy ‘migrant’ Lats. The Lat numbers are swelling. The 93% white suburb I live in now hosts a previously unknown brown-skinned sub-population along with the kiss-of-death Negro undertow whose larger presence began to be seen about 3 years ago. You can see the disgusted looks and white folks’ faces in the checkout line.

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