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Generally seen as highly homogenous, Japan is changing fast. In Tokyo, Kawasaki and Osaka recently, I encountered quite a few non-Japanese working at convenience stores and restaurants, and saw many more on the streets. Japan’s largest immigrant groups are Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Brazilians. Though the last are mostly ethnic Japanese, they maintain a separate culture, so are perceived as Brazilians.

In Kawasaki, a city just across a river from Tokyo, I entered a Peruvian restaurant with two Japanese friends, Ryo Isabe and Samson Yee. Born in Hong Kong, Samson spent parts of his childhood in England, has traveled all over and is married to a Japanese, and his spoken Japanese is nearly perfect, I was told. Immediately, Samson identified the woman serving us as not Japanese, although she appeared native enough to me, and had barely said anything. The more she talked, the more her Japanese deficiency was exposed, however. She was Peruvian.

Ryo is a critic, mostly of rap and electronic music, and the author of a book on Kawasaki. On the ribbon over its cover is a question, “Is Kawasaki hell?” Crossing the Tama River from Tokyo, I did notice a row of shacks, erected by the homeless, but by the time the train rolled into the station, everything seemed sparklingly modern and sophisticated. Walking around, I ran into plenty of chic stores and restaurants, and a swanky shopping center, La Cittadella.

Ryo explained that although Kawasaki may appear perfectly normal, there are many underlying problems. In 2015, the city shocked Japan when a 13-year-old boy was tortured and killed, with his naked body tossed into the Tama. Since his main killer, Ryuichi Funabashi, was half-Filipino, immigration, assimilation and ethnicity became uncomfortable subtexts.

For conformity to unite and provide collective strength, it must punish deviations, but this always triggers resentment, if not rage.

On the other hand, the list of successful half-Japanese is long. Half-Taiwanese Renho Murata briefly headed Japan’s Democratic Party, the first woman to do so. Americans are most familiar with half-Iranian Yu Darvish, half-Haitian Naomi Osaka and half-American Hideki Irabu. With the last, I noticed with interest that the half-Yankee insisted on going to the Yankees. Perched on the third deck, third base side, I did manage to watch Irabu pitch at Yankees Stadium. He always seemed like a very isolated, lonely figure. In 2008, the big man assaulted an Osaka bar manager after downing 20 beers, and in 2010, he was arrested for DUI in Redondo Beach. After his uneven career flamed out, Irabu didn’t return to Japan but moved to California, although he associated mostly with other Japanese while there. As his wife and kids were about to leave him, Irabu killed himself, but we can only guess at the multilayered, complex reason.

I asked Ryo to take us to a regular, working class bar, what I’m used to, whether I’m in Kiev, Mexico City or Missoula, so we ended up in some tiny, brightly lit joint that was owned by a Korean woman. That night, it was filled with older Okinawans and a half Russian, half Japanese man who didn’t look typically either. Born in Japan, he was simply Japanese, like the rest.

“Do I look Japanese?” I joked to a septuagenarian, missing a few teeth.

“No, you look Cambodian!” We all laughed.

Sitting at my table, another Okinawan said, “I’ve never known a Vietnamese, but I’m glad to meet you. You should spend more time in Kawasaki, and get to know us.”

“I already feel very comfortable,” and I meant it.

During the Vietnam War, the septuagenarian was paid $20 a day to clean American corpses, killed in action, “It was ten times the average wage, so I was glad to have the job, but I had to quit after six months, since I couldn’t eat.”

In Kawasaki for four decades, he didn’t miss Okinawa, “I don’t have anything to return to.”

When he said he had to work later that night, I thought he was kidding, for he was well past retirement age, not to mention trashed. “I work for the railroad,” he elaborated. “I’m a painter.”

At his table sat a couple, also old, with the man in a felt fedora. “Although I’m married to Frank Sinatra,” she said of her husband while bantering with the painter, “you’re more my type!” She rubbed his bald head.

Though it was Ryo’s first time at the joint, and Samson and I were not Japanese, we were treated so warmly, so so much for Japanese reserve or aloofness, but the English, too, I’ve always found to be mostly friendly and chatty. Damn the stereotype.

Taking a photo with me, the Korean owner planted a kiss on my crown, and the old painter shouted towards the end of the night, “Now, you look very Japanese! You belong here!”

There is a universal brotherhood of lowlife drinkers. My blood brother, a Yahoo employee who says “darn” and “shoot,” wouldn’t feel welcome there, or at Philly’s Friendly Lounge, for that matter, not that he would enter either

In Osaka, the sociologist Masahiko Kishi took me and others to a seafood restaurant, Taiyoshi Hyakuban, that’s housed in a wonderfully-preserved, two-storied 1908 brothel. Wandering around, I marveled at its carved columns, beams and ceilings, fine vases and scrolls, and well-executed paintings of scenes from centuries past. Our three waiters were all South Asians, most likely Bangladeshi. They had no problems communicating in Japanese.

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Taiyoshi Hyakuban is located in Tobita Shinchi, Japan’s last traditional red light districts, where the prostitutes are openly displayed through wide doorways, facing the street. Tastefully dolled up, each is seated among decorative elements, such as a basket of plastic flowers, stuffed animals, a heart-shaped pillow or a giant Maneki-neko, etc., but with an old woman, the madame, perched in a corner. Though the contrast between youthful beauty and aging ugliness is rather jarring, at least it serves its purpose as a warning and an urge. Get it while you can, and while it’s still fresh!

Tobita Shinchi is nothing like what you’ll find in, say, Amsterdam’s De Wallen, where not much distracts from the red-lit meat of the matter. Though prostitution is illegal in Japan, the Tobita Shinchi joints are kosher because, well, they’re classified as restaurants, so if you suddenly find yourself inside a waitress, it’s because she’s quite smitten by you, that’s all, and your wallet. It’s love at first sight. Maybe you’ll get lucky the next time you visit your town’s Dairy Queen or White Castle!

In Amsterdam, most of the whores are in fact not Dutch, but come from Eastern Europe, South America, Southeast Asia or Africa. The last time I was in Paris’ Bois de Boulogne, most whores were also foreign, and in Barcelona, Chinese massage parlors spread. Assuming a similar situation in Tobita Shinchi, I asked Kishi-san what percentage of these lovelies were aliens, and was surprised to hear, “None!” Well, at least one corner of Japan remains absolutely pure.

A 15-minute date with a Tobita Shinchi waitress will set you back $100, and she’ll time it with a stopwatch, too, such is Japanese precision. If you can’t quite afford that, look for a foreigner elsewhere, for immigrants always translate to cheaper labor, since it’s the main, and often only, reason they’re allowed in.

A Japanese convenience store chain, Lawson, has opened two training centers in Vietnam for jobs in Japan, and near me in Saigon, there’s a billboard recruiting workers for factory, construction, farming and food processing jobs in that country. To qualify, you must be between 18 and 35, “pleasant to look at, in good health, without a contagious disease, HIV or hepatitis B.” Fair enough. The catch is that you must first pay them for lessons in the Japanese language and culture. You will learn when and how to bow, to obey traffic rules, and to refrain from using all public spaces as trash cans, etc.

After months of studies, most bitterly realize they’re just not made to say konichiwa daily, but some do manage to pass all the tests and gain a visa to Japan, where they will be paid $1,300 a month, a handsome sum in Vietnam, but dismal in Japan, especially after taxes and mandatory health insurance. Most still manage to send money back home, however, for they live four to a room, ride a bicycle and skim on everything.

In Osaka’s Ikuno Ward, Koreans have lived for three generations, but now there are also a few thousand Chinese and Vietnamese. Walking its streets and alleys over several days, I found them quiet and clean, with a nice mixture of old and new houses. Inside its quaint though somewhat run-down shopping arcades, there are many Korean barbecue joints and groceries, as well as karaoke bars run by Chinese women. Passing a rare Vietnamese store, I noticed a hand written-sign in Vietnamese, “Friends who come to shop / please be careful to / Not sit on other people’s bicycles / Not gather and be loud in front of the building / And only throw trash at designated places / Thanks, friends” National traits can’t always be modified.

Though only the fourth largest immigrant group, Vietnamese commit the second most number of crimes, behind only the Chinese, and Viets outstrip all in crime ratio. In 2013, 839 Vietnamese were arrested, a pace that’s only increasing, with shoplifting the most common transgression. A Vietnamese website explains, “Working in groups of two, three or four people, they target supermarkets and drug stores […] The items targeted by Viet criminals include rice, beer and liquor, all types of food, vitamins, cosmetics, diapers, powdered milk and whatever else that’s requested by their customers!”

This business practice must be fairly universal. In Philadelphia, I knew a couple of white shoplifters who regularly sold stolen goods to Center City merchants, and these thieves, too, took orders. If you wanted a specific item from Whole Foods or Target, they’d get it for you before the day’s over.

With shoplifting an increasing problem, it’s ironic that there’s a new, critically acclaimed Japanese film, Shoplifters, that sympathetically portrays a family of thieves.

Vietnamese crimes in Japan, though, aren’t just petty. In Osaka in 2015, a 25-year-old Vietnamese man was killed by six of his compatriots. Surveillance footage shows them chasing him down to beat, stab and stomp him to death, before “leaving the scene as if nothing had happened,” to quote Thanh Nien, a Vietnamese newspaper. The group also seriously injured two other Vietnamese that day. Last month in Osaka, a 22-year-old Vietnamese woman died after being stabbed in the neck by her Vietnamese boyfriend. Since violent crimes are rare in Japan, these murders grabbed headlines.

In 2015, two Vietnamese were arrested for stealing and slaughtering two research goats, kept in a park. One explained that to pay a Vietnamese labor broker, he had to borrow money, with his home as collateral, but in Japan, he was overworked and underpaid, so he kept switching jobs, but he was still destitute, he said, so he resorted to stealing bento lunches and other food from supermarkets. His partner in crime was his unemployed roommate, a man who had dropped out of a junior college because he couldn’t afford tuition. None of this explains why they had to feast on goat meat, or why the Japanese should put up with such lawlessness.

It’s worth noting that the worst behaviors by Vietnamese in Japan are regularly highlighted by the Vietnamese media, since this labor conduit is too lucrative to wreck. As for the Japanese, immigrant criminality is still a small price to pay in exchange for much needed workers. Increasingly withdrawn and celibate, Japanese don’t have nearly enough kids to replace its huge population of retirees, who simply live on and on. Immigrants, then, must be flown in to change their diapers, and turn them over to prevent bedsores.

Japanese media have run many stories highlighting the abuse of foreign employees. Weekly Playboy quotes a Vietnamese woman who was cheated of her worker’s compensation after being hurt at her shipping depot job. Though she had to go to the hospital, she wasn’t even allowed the rest of the day off. Commenting on this story, a Japanese salaryman tellingly relates:

A few years ago I had an accident in Japan riding my bicycle to work. (A truck struck my arm.) Luckily I wasn’t hurt (as in broken bones), but quite bruised, in pain and shocked of course.

So, since I didn’t have any permanent injury and like the good salaryman I was, I bit my teeth and went to work anyway. I was late of course and also wanted to make sure my employer understood what happened, so I reported to my supervisor.

At first he was mildly curious, but then he just wanted to know if I could work today. So that was that.

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A while later he came back to me to inform me that I would be censured because I took my bicycle to get to the station, which was against company regulations […] Frankly I think, that such a regulation is a cowardly and irresponsible act on behalf of the company. Also, due to my low salary I couldn’t afford anything close to the station […]

So, instead of “are you OK?,” “do you want to take a day off?” I basically got censured for being the victim of a traffic accident due to breaking a cowardly “no responsibility” rule. So THAT’s what’s important eh? …

Recently, a video surfaced of a Japanese boss dunking a subordinate’s head, twice, into a boiling shabu shabu pot, during a year’s end party, as a few guests laughed. Though this happened three years ago, the victim never reported the horrible incident to the police, and is only suing now.

Word has certainly gotten out about the often harsh Japanese work environment, so the buzz in Vietnam, for example, is that it’s better to aim for South Korea. Still, many dream of Japan, for there’s never a shortage of desperate people who would do just about anything to live in a First World country.

Employing five Vietnamese, a Japanese construction boss told Nikkei Asian Review, “Foreign trainees learn faster than Japanese. They are more serious, more hardworking, and take fewer days off. They are keen to learn and work hard for money. Few young Japanese show such guts these days.” They’re also cheaper, I repeat, though new laws have been passed to erase this difference.

In a Pew survey, 58% of Japanese are content with the current, record high level of immigration, while 23% actually want even more. This places Japan third among 27 nations, behind only Spain (28%) and the US (24%). Though most immigrants to Japan arrive with only a three-year visa, many will stay longer, even if illegally. Turks in Germany were also meant as temporary solutions. With its newfound openness to immigrants, Japan is becoming more colorful, yet more diluted, maybe for good.

After my last article on Japan, “Telfoed John” brilliantly commented, “All technology which makes the far-away close, makes the close far-away. Whether it’s Shinkansen, Walkmans, pornography… Japan is at the forefront of making the world come to the individual, but at the same time shrinking the soul and personal relations.”

In other word, Japan leads the world in replacing the actual with the virtual, so you have teens who won’t go outside, men screwing sex dolls and old people being comforted by creepy robots, but these arrangements aren’t too satisfying, apparently, for Japan is erasing itself at a frightful pace. In 2017, only 946,060 babies were born there, the lowest number since records began in 1899, so discounting immigrants, its population declined by nearly 400,000. That’s twice the number of people obliterated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki! At this rate, there will only be 500 Japanese left by 3000, according to Japan’s Ministry of Health and Welfare.

What’s happening to Japan is relevant worldwide, for all the most advanced and accomplished populations are shrinking, while the most backward recklessly breed. If you think each child is a blank slate, with roughly equal potentials, then there’s no cause for alarm, but many among us are convinced a nation’s heritage is simply its biology, manifested, so the Cathedral in Siena, for example, is really a chart of the Italian DNA. Japan is one of humanity’s most spectacular yet nuanced achievements.

Judging by its history, Japan is eminently capable of reinventing itself, so with its tremendous human capital still largely intact, perhaps it won’t just save itself, but show us all what to do next.

Linh Dinh’s latest book is Postcards from the End of America. He maintains a regularly updated photo blog.

 
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  1. Sean says:

    Judging by its history, Japan is imminently capable of reinventing itself, so with its tremendous human capital still largely intact, perhaps it won’t just save itself, but show us all what to do next.

    If everybody had 10 children then Japan would have a lot of human resource capital, but not a lot of capital capital because it would all be eaten up. Is the converse true? This is a county where manhole covers are a work of art, asyou noted Eamonn Fingleton mention that too, but h argues against the received wisdom that Japan is in decline. Fingleton also insists that Japans low birthrate is the result of a deliberate policy of long standing by successive Japanese governments.

    https://www.tmf-group.com/en/news-insights/articles/2018/june/economic-development-outlook-japan/

    Since the late 1990s, the growth in Japan’s real GDP per head has outperformed every other major economy. And unlike other major economies, income inequality in Japan has not increased, remaining amongst the lowest in the developed world.

    http://www.unz.com/efingleton/why-the-medias-silence-on-japanese-protectionism-gives-trump-another-priceless-opening/

    Well, here we are in 2016 – more than 35 years after Reagan took office and nearly twelve years since he died – and Japan remains as protectionist as ever.

    Consider cars. Cars are worthy of special mention in part because they are by far the most important advanced manufactured item traded internationally (their electronics alone are as sophisticated as anything in an Apple iPhone). The car industry is also of special note because its trade patterns are easy to track.

    That the Japanese car market is protected is the first thing you notice on setting foot in Japan. Except for a few token German cars that are visible mainly in central Tokyo, the cars on Japanese roads are Japanese. Drivers don’t have much choice. Foreign marques are systematically marginalized. […] Whereas Japan’s imports from the United States last year totaled a mere $64.4 billion, its imports from China came to a whopping $155.1 billion. […]

    What’s in it for Japan? Exports. Almost alone among advanced nations, Japan enjoys a broadly balanced trade relationship with China. In a macroeconomic version of you-scratch-my-back-and-I’ll-scratch-yours, top officials on each side set policies to favor purchases from the other… Japan’s continuing, almost miraculously strong current account surpluses at a time when U.S. current account deficits have persisted so long that they put America’s very economic independence at risk.

    Fingleton says the Japanese have learned from Reagan’s attempt, and the books in the 80’s warning about how Japan was going to become a competitor of the US. Japan has been downplaying its economic success in high tech manufacturing. Sure their bankers are not making any real money, but again income inequality in Japan has not increased, remains about the lowest in the developed world.

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  2. anon[851] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s happening to Japan is relevant worldwide, for all the most advanced and accomplished populations are shrinking, while the most backward recklessly breed.

    there it is

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  3. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Judging by its history, Japan is imminently capable of reinventing itself, so with its tremendous human capital still largely intact, perhaps it won’t just save itself, but show us all what to do next.

    In the end, Japanese commit mass suicide not for the emperor but for porn and pokemon.

    A talented but shallow people.

    Linh is to be lauded for being honest and critical of his own kind. He addresses the problem of Vietnamese crime. This is something we don’t often find in Jews.

  4. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Maybe japan can only save itself through concubinage. Have rich guys impregnate lots of women. Japanese women are a bunch of whores anyway.

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  5. notanon says:

    if they want to survive Japan should

    1) stop putting soy in baby formula

    2) let the population decline but if they need workers to look after their elderly during the population overhang only import menopausal women so there’s no long term consequences.

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  6. Very interesting article. Thanks for writing.

  7. Any says:

    Sadaharu Oh is half Japanese and Chinese, as well.

  8. So let’s see if I’ve got this right

    Japan is going out of existence (TFR of 1.4)

    But an increasingly urban China is going to overwhelm everone else

    Hong Kong (TFR of 1.1) & Macau (TFR of 1.0 the lowest in the world) Singapore -yes I know it’s not China (TFR of 1.2)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

  9. So, instead of “are you OK?,” “do you want to take a day off?” I basically got censured for being the victim of a traffic accident due to breaking a cowardly “no responsibility” rule.

    Not a whole lot different in corporate America, where corporate safety programs, accompanied by extensive rules are designed not so much to protect the employee but to make it easy for the employer to blame the employee for injuries, under the theory that injuries on the job are impossible without first violating at least one safety rule.

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  10. south korea has been doing this for a while, with so far, moderate success. and i would say they’re even more ethnocentric than the japanese.

    out in the korea countryside, farmers and other laborers have been allowed for years now to bring in women from other asian nations.

    i’m not sure how many non-koreans are working blue collar jobs in korea, but i don’t think it’s zero anymore.

    as long as they can keep this to a similar model as saudi arabia, where the guests are treated very strictly, and are never allowed to become citizens, or even have kids with natives, this can sort of work long term.

    not that i think it’s the best option, but it’s an option.

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  11. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Communism may have been a blessing in disguise for Asia in the long run.

    As terrible as it was, it shielded parts from Asia from the Sickness of the West that put things and ideas above humans. Today, there is healthier national cultures in Eastern former communist Europe than in the West. And once-communist Asian nations are saner than Asian Tigers that are now Asian Pandas that are unable to breed.

    Communism was tyrannical and brutal. But it did inculcate generations of Asians with respect for Labor, at least ideologically. Also, the economic lag of communist nations meant that many people had no choice but to work as laborers. Mao saw Confucianism as effete and fancy-poo. It favored elite status over honest work. Capitalist Asia deviated from Confucianism in honoring the merchant, but it became all about status and privilege. Thus, honest labor came to be denigrated. Japanese called honest labor ‘dirty, dangerous, and demeaning’, and this mentality came to be shared by Taiwan, S. Korea, Singapore, and etc. Bad stuff. So, many Asians in JTSSK — Japan-Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea — only want to marry ‘quality’ people and have ‘quality’ kids. They’d rather have no kids or even commit suicide than do ‘dirty work’ or have ‘loser kids’. All these nations would probably be better if they underwent 10 yrs of Maoism(though without the utter craziness of Great Leap and Cult Revolution). In China, it was one-child policy that cratered birthrates. In JTSSK, it was the decision of free individuals. Granted, the affluent class in China now have pretty much the same attitude. Status and matter over life and soul. Things have been made much worse by capitalist-feminism. Communist-feminism was morally sounder. While it called for equality among men and women, it was as comrades and equal partners. In contrast, capitalist feminism is about women seeking money and status to settle for only ‘best’ men. It is anti-equality. In capitalist Asian nations, feminist-types are finicky and snotty. They are not like virtuous comrade womenfolk in communist nations or Kurosawa movies. Capitalist feminism is esp bad for Asian men because, while asian women have high sexual global market value, Asian men have the lowest. So, once Asian women begin to think globally, they want to move up to ‘upper-races’. Just like lower-class wants to move to middle-class, and middle-class wants to move up to upper-class, many Asians are wanna-be-whites and want to move into upper-race by plastic surgery, taking on western names, or having kids with whites. (Problem with lower class blacks is they want to move up to upper class while bypassing the middle class.) No wonder soyboys are turning into pandas. Since Asian men know they cannot win in manly competitions in sports, they now try to gain fame by being girly-men. Look at all those j-pop and k-pop soyboy pooter-boys.

    Also, smaller families aren’t good for a nation like Japan. Japanese are naturally reticent and shy. So, they are not good at socializing with strangers(unless they happen to be drunks who wanna share drink with fellow drunk Dinh). They don’t have ‘game’. So, it was beneficial for Japanese in the past to have aunts, uncles, cousins, and etc. because such kinfolk network provided some semblance of community and could also introduce them to possible mates for marriage. But with so many young Japanese being ‘only child’-ren of parents who were also only-child-ren, they feel more isolated than ever.

    Also, electronic media and pop culture make things worse. Prior to TV and such stuff, most people experienced culture through family, relatives, friends, or meeting others in public places, like a Kabuki theater. Unless people interacted with others on a direct level, they were lonely as hell. Cultural life meant having a family and the drama of family life… as shown in Yasujiro Ozu films. Family Life was once culture.
    Now, cinema also had an alienating effect, but you had to go to the movies. At home, your main cultural life was spending time with others, talking, and discussing and etc. Also, at least you meet other people at the cinema. In contrast, the TV was always with you in the home. And in time, even kids got their own TV. So, even when the family was together at home, they’d all be watching the TV or different programs on different TV instead of interacting with one another. TV became the culture. As most of TV is trash, trash became the culture. But it was fun and escapist.

    Since TV create the impression of life, interaction, fun, meaning, and whatever, even people without families no longer need be lonely and seek out people to interact with. There are all these ‘idealized’ characters on TV. They could be like your surrogate family. Esp as Soap Opera became huge in Asia, entire peoples, esp women, lived their lives through soap opera characters. They became more concerned and involved with fantasy figures than with real life. Also, because TV featured all these characters who were better looking and more affluent, that became the ideal for so many people and they were unwilling to settle for the Less of reality where most people are not so pretty, cool, or glamorous. TV was totally phony, but one could lose oneself in its fantasy that seemed better than reality. Also, TV ran 24/7, so even a person living alone could also feel that he or she was part of something.

    Also, modern Asia practices a kind of debased Confucianism that fused status-obsession with crass materialism and greed. At the very least, original Confucianism wasn’t just about social success. To gain respect, one had to possess a certain sensibility, understanding, manners, and tastes. Status didn’t necessarily mean economic success. It was tied to meaning.
    But in modern Asia, status is mostly about some job associated with consumerism and profits. So, shallow fools who design video games and rake in millions are admired. K-pop vulgarians are honored for raking in billions. So, money is king. Status is all about money, money, money.
    And this means a mindless culture of celebrity and worship of Mammon. So, it doesn’t matter that a certain person gained success in association with crap like dumb pop culture or video games. He is to be respected because he made lots of money. Confucianism used to restrain such trashiness, but no longer. Granted, Confucianism also repressed lots of positive energies and individuality, but its beneficial effect was repressing the logic of merchantism where profit is king and money is all that counts. Communism was anti-Confucian but its moral emphasis did have a restraining effect on the trashy logic of consumerism. Compare Hong Kong cinema and Mainland Chinese cinema of the 1980s. Hong Kong produced many superb film talents but most movies were about silly stuff with guns and fast cars. In contrast, the main themes of Mainland Chinese films was humanism and search for meaning. Mainlanders were making the kind of movies made by Kurosawa and Kobayashi and Mizoguchi in the 50s. Moral ideology, be it the Church or Confucianism or Communism, can hold back freedom and talent, but when a society not only allows uninhibited freedom but celebrates its trashiest products, the effect is soul-destroying. And when souls go, so do bodies. In the case, soulless bodies no longer produce bodies. In the case of soulless blacks, bodies produce bodies but only to rap and ‘twerk’.

    Mishima saw the danger of modern consumerism(as did Pasolini from the left). But he also embodied what was ailing modern Japan. As a homo, he was an extreme egotist and seeking of vanity. Though a patriot and nationalist and an artist, he also wallowed in much nonsense, and his ultra-aestheticism was anti-humanist. In this, he had much in common with so many gay-ish Japanese idols and idiots who dominate the TV and movie screens.

    Speaking of idols, Japan also fouled up by losing control of its national idols. Stupidly, Japanese internationalized sumo, a sacred sport of the Japanese. Japanese are not a big people, and if foreigners are allowed in, the result is the rise of someone like the Hawaiian Akeboner. And then, the Mongols and totally dominated the sport. Sumo isn’t just any sport. It is a cultural and sacred sport, but Japanese let foreigners take over. And Japanese are also nuts about mixed-martial arts fights where mostly blacks and white guys beat up each other when not beating up on runty Japanese. So, Japanese lost all male pride, and Japanese women are now going not only with whites but Iranians and Negroes, and of course, these mixed-race kids come to win in sports. When a people lose their own idol value in their own nation, they become demoralized, deracinated, and wussy. Look at the impact of Negroes on France and UK. With Negroes dominating so many sports and humping so many white women, white guys there are now cucks. And rise of black idols in UK and France has also led to retro-fitting classic white heroes as blacks: Lancelot and Achilles. And there is talk of turning 007 into a Negro. It’s going from Lloyd’s of London to Groids of London.

    This is why Lin Dinh must warn his Viet compatriots as Viets are even smaller runts than the pitiful Japanese. What is Vietnam doing by allowing ‘gay pride’ parades? Did Viets fight and defend their own nation to be taken over by Globo-homo imperialism? Viets should take pride in being the only Asians who won on their own.

    Japan lost to US. Korea was always the toy of other powers. China gained independence, but it was the US that defeated Japan. In contrast, Viets beat the French, drove out the Americans, rolled back the Chinese, and subjugated the unruly Cambodians. A very tragic history but real triumph too. Vietnam needs to use markets and freedom to make progress, but if it loses the central themes of nationalism and history and heritage, it will go the way of JSSKT, all of which suck so bad.

  12. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Very thought provoking, as always, Priss Factor. I miss your regular appearance at Unz.

  13. Turks in Germany were also meant as temporary solutions

    The Germans were told that the Turks were temporary but it was always intended that they would be permanent. Every West European country had to find its own way of implementing the policy of race and faith replacement. Here’s Nick Griffin, former leader of the British National Party, speaking in the European Parliament:

    ‘First, their immigrant pawns were temporary guest workers; then it was a multiracial experiment; then they were refugees, and then the answer to a shrinking population. Different excuses, different lies—and asylum is just another one.’

    • Replies: @DFH
  14. DFH says:

    What’s a country against having to pay 100 yen more at the grocery store?

  15. DFH says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    The West German government didn’t even want to accept Turkish Gastarbeitern initially but were told to by the Americans for Cold War reasons

    • Replies: @unit472
  16. I wish people would get away from the idea that a declining population is necessarily a bad thing, especially in an overcrowded nation like Japan. Yes, it’s difficult for now because there are too many elderly people but in another twenty years there will be a lot fewer of them as a percentage of the overall population.

    Modern economies don’t need armies of workers anyway and is it really so terrible to have more reclaimed forests and fewer apartment buildings?

    If Japan does insist on bringing in foreigners, for god’s sake make sure they’re other East Asians. Take it from us; you do not want Africans or Moslems.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @m___
    , @ken
  17. unit472 says:
    @DFH

    As I recall, at the time the Turkish workers were brought into West Germany, they could not acquire citizenship but, as always happens with immigrant labor, once the numbers become large enough and the population entrenched they don’t go back home.

  18. TG says:

    I have a radical idea.

    How about we leave the fate of Japan, in the hands of the Japanese people?

    The population of Japan is currently 126 million. Even if, in a century or two, it would decline to 40 or 50 million, that’s still more than enough to maintain a technological state. And think of the advantages in terms of pollution, availability of resources and natural space, reduced traffic congestion etc.

    If, by some fluke, the Japanese people do die out, well, so be it. Others could then occupy the space. But despite dire warnings that the rich simply MUST force population upwards or the nation will die out, this has never – ever – happened in all of human history.

    It does sometimes happen that, when times are not appropriate to have large families, a people will limit the number of children they have until things get better. Witness the Untied States, in the Great Depression the fertility rate fell to very low levels. Did Americans die out? Did America become weak and pathetic? No! When times got better the fertility rate rebounded, and with a relatively modest number of people, per-capita wealth soared.

    Let the Japanese be. It would take only a tiny uptick in optimism to erase all recent population declines. Can you say that that will not happen in the next century? And let any Japanese oligarch who wishes for a more ‘colorful,’ ‘dynamic,’ and ‘low wage’ country, move themselves to Bangladesh.

    • Agree: Plato's Dream
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Greg S.
  19. Japan is dying because capitalistic exploitation dindin… They are obsessed with money, social status and work. Because Japan become little less over-collectivistic, it’s not a bad thing, isn’t*

    In South Korea, half of elder people are in the poverty line, blame ”multiculti” too*

  20. Clyde says:

    Good post!
    Vietnam birth rate >>>
    “Total fertility rate of Vietnam is 1.85 (children born/woman) with a global rank of 140.”

    Korea is lower than Japan.
    The total fertility rate of North Korea is 1.94
    South Korea 1.25 children born/woman (2016)
    Japan 1.41 children born/woman (2016)

  21. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Even though the bulk of the new people in Japan will be Asians from poorer nations, the bulk of ‘heroic idols’ will be black in the future. As Japanese men are a bunch of cucky-motos and their women go with Negroes, there will be more negro kids. Also, because Negroes are so much faster and tougher than Japanese(and new Asians), it won’t take too many mulattoes in Japan to pretty much dominate the sports. It won’t be long before bracks dominate Sumo too.

    So, from the bottom, Japan will be taken over by Asians from poor nations. It will be like Hawaii where Filipinos are taking over. And at the top of idol sweepstakes, it will become more and more black. And as almost all mulattoes in Japan are result of black men and Japanese women, the new sexual ideal will be Negro and mama-san. Japan is going the way of UK and France, and Japanese men are too soyboyish to do anything about it.

  22. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @TG

    How about we leave the fate of Japan, in the hands of the Japanese people?

    That is not the problem. There isn’t all that much pressure on Japan to change.

    Japan is changing because Japanese have lost control of their own society. Japanese elites are mere cucks of US power. Japanese intellectuals just imitate Western elites. And Japanese women go with non-Japanese men and have mixed-race kids. As long as Japan is a democracy, individual Japanese can choose to betray their own nation and race, and Japanese women are now spearheading this.

    When men of a society loses control and respect of their women, they are finished. When indigenous brown folks lost their women to whites in South America, they were defeated forever. Look at them. They are peons without pride.
    Why are so many white men committing suicide in the US? They lost manhood to the Negroes who beat up white boys and take white women. White guys are drowning in drugs because they are ideologically beaten, spiritually beaten, athletically beaten, sexually beaten, and etc.

    Japanese men will face even a faster decline because they are dorks and runts, and without the protective shield of nationalism, they will lose their pride, respect, and womenfolk to the world.

    • Replies: @Nawyr
    , @notanon
  23. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I wish people would get away from the idea that a declining population is necessarily a bad thing, especially in an overcrowded nation like Japan.

    You are correct. But the reasons for Japan’s decline has little to do with improvement of society. It’s due to social and cultural malaise.

    It’s like this. If an overweight person loses extra pounds by eating healthy and exercising, it’s not a bad thing. It is a good thing. But if he begins to lose weight due to cancer or some disease, it is a bad thing.

    Japan is soul-dead. Its shallow culture is the culture. Japanese culture is just one big candy-wrapping. There is no there there. Japan is shedding people at record speed because it has lost the value of life and culture. Japan isn’t dieting. It is anorexic. Japan isn’t losing fat. It is losing muscle.

    Post-war elites lost their souls. The Japanese Left was intellectually interesting and artistically provocative until the late 60s but, like all leftisms, eventually grew crazy or solipsistic or decadent. Japanese Right was all about economic growth and money. When Japan was becoming #1 in the 80s, there was at least the element of national pride. But once the bubble burst, Japan hasn’t had a national theme. After WWII, having lost the war and military pride, Japan thought it could regain greatness as an economic giant. It was a materialist hope, but it too finally fizzled out. As for traditionalism, it’s now just a museum piece. People visit Kyoto and look at gardens, but it’s not part of living culture.
    There is nothing left but videogames, cartoons, kawaii cute-stuff, and sexual degeneracy of not only porn but sex dolls(!). The fact that a nation has so many fathers who raise their daughters to be porn performers or the like tells you something was always sick about the Japanese soul. But it’s sicker now because all ties to tradition(which had a restraining effect) have been lost.

    People are essentially social animals, and in the end, it’s the heart that gives meaning to life. Why is it that we feel so close to dogs? Dogs can’t talk or think. We can’t have intellectual discussion with them. But people love dogs(as friends and almost as family members) because dogs are social animals with great heart. If you read a great book 20 yrs ago and if your dog died 20 yrs ago, what do you remember with deeper emotions? The dog of course… even though the book has intellectual ideas whereas the dog didn’t.
    Why do people love babies and children. Babies can’t talk and kids can’t think. It’s due to connections of the heart. Emotions are the center of life, esp for social animals like humans and dogs. 90% of all meanings are really a matter of the heart. Most parents are not intellectual giants or great artists, but everyone feels sadder over passing of one’s own parent than some great artist or famous person. Heart > Mind.
    And it seems Japanese have forgotten this. They’ve become like stray dogs than dogs with a sense of home.
    Compare a house dog with stray dog. Think of how they experience decline and death. As the house dog grows old and sick, there are people around to take care of it, feel sorry for it, and mourn it when it’s dead. In contrast, an all-alone stray dog dies alone without love and care by anyone.
    Modernity gave people freedom, and freedom can be used well, but too often, it has led people to become stray dogs. Perhaps freer to roam than house dogs, but a dog without home life is ultimately a sad dog… like Burt Lancaster at the end of THE SWIMMER.

    [MORE]

    I feel sorry for older Japanese who may die alone, but they are reaping what they sowed. Once Japanese became economic animals, fathers worked and worked and hardly spent time with family. And caring only about status and money, they told their kids to study and study to make money with almost no other consideration. As kids were over-stressed with study, they turned to pop culture merely for relief and escapism, and so pop culture got dumber. Much of Japanese pop culture became ‘mindless relief from too much studying’.

    Also, Japanese parents of post-WWII generation used their generosity in a bad way. They wanted their children to enjoy things they themselves didn’t due to poverty and privation. In too many cases, the kids(esp only childs) were coddled, pampered, and allowed put off maturity. So, daughters were allowed to live at home and spend all their money on night clubs. They even paid $75 in the 90s to get their nipples pink. When you raise kids in this manner, you end up with the plastic and soulless morons of today. And even though there were some good works in anime, esp by Miyazaki, one wonders about a culture where animation is the main culture.

    https://thestir.cafemom.com/love/106961/Are_Pink_Nipples_a_Bigger

    In the long run, only bio-socialism will save modern societies. The first question must address what humans are. Humans are, first and foremost, life-forms, organisms. Humans are created by men and women, and humans are acculturated in the family. So, BEFORE ANYTHING, human needs must be addressed as a question of Life. Whatever is necessary to keep life alive must take priority. People talk of freedom, but freedom that is anti-life must be rejected. After all, a person can say it’s his freedom not to eat, drink, pee, or poo. Okay, but how long will he live? To live, one has no choice but to eat, drink, pee, and poo. Now, an individual can live an entire life without having sex or reproducing, but an organism-as-collective cannot continue without reproduction. All species exist because they reproduced. No reproduction, no organism. So, the necessities of life take precedence over any ideology, philosophy, or theory of rights or justice. Reality of Life must be at the center of society, which is nothing but a collection of living organisms.
    So, reproduction isn’t a matter of choice or freedom. Without reproduction, organism-as-species-or-culture cannot survive. So, reproduction must be compulsory, just like education is compulsory. Indeed, reproduction is more important than education. It was only in the modern era that there was universal compulsory education, and yet humanity had survived for 1000s even though most people didn’t even know how to read or write. Why? Human societies practiced compulsory reproduction since the beginning. Most marriages were arranged, and kids were expected to have kids and have family. And since that was the norm, every man and every woman wanted to have families… like in stories in the Bible.

    Now, imagine two scenarios. There are two groups of people, and everyone in both groups want to have fun and not have kids than get married and raise families. One group is allowed to be free and die off without leaving descendants whereas the other group is forced at gunpoint to get married and have kids.
    Which society is more just? In some ways, one might say the free society, one where people could choose to have fun and not have kids, is more just. After all, each person enjoyed his/her right to do as he/she chose.
    BUT, it has died out. Is it moral to let a society just indulge in fun/freedom and die out? Should collective suicide be allowed as a choice?
    In contrast, the other society has less freedom but continues because it has produced kids. Also, even though its members may feel resentful for their loss of freedom, I’ll bet they, as old folks, are happier than old people in the free society. Even though old people in free society had more fun as young people, as old people they are all alone and have no one to mourn them. In contrast, old people in the compulsory-reproductive community feel grateful that they have kids and grandkids.

    Of course, we can’t force people to get married and have kids at gunpoint in our society. But everything must be calibrated to favor life and reproduction. In Japan, they should round up all pornographers and give them the Maoist treatment. A bullet to the back of the head. And all sluts and skanks should be shipped to labor camps and made to plant rice and taught to be good decent womenfolk again. Also, all higher-level jobs must be given to men. Why? Professional women tend not to have kids. And even when they do get married, it is to some affluent guy, and that leads to concentration of wealth in one household. The guy makes good money, she makes good money, and all their money goes to ONE house, often with just one kid. That is totally unfair. Bio-socialism says a family can have only one high-earner. After all, if two men have good jobs, each salary can support an independent family.

    Also, there must be a campaign against idolatry, the kind warned by Chris Hedges. Today, Japanese kids grow up worshiping decadent homo idols and cartoon characters, all of which are plastered on their walls. Parents are raising their kids to care about only three things: status-money, pop idolatry, and mindless consumption.

    All families must have a rule. Only family photos, cultural images, and nature images can go on the wall. Kids may enjoy some pop crap but only as pop crap. It’s like junk food is okay as snack but not as main course. I mean what kind of decent parent would allow his kids to grow up mainly on cakes and cookies and soda? And yet, when it comes to culture, so many parents let their kids grow up on junk culture as main culture: video games, dumb movies, idiot pop music, and etc.
    Now, there is place for junk. We all like junk once awhile. But people must be made to appreciate real culture and real art because appreciation of such, they will mistake junk for culture. It’s like kids who were never made to appreciate real food think junk food is real food.

    Also, kids must be taught a sense of culture beyond the arts & entertainment. Not a culture of genius and ingenuity but a culture of the heart and meaning, and a sense of community; people found this kind of culture in folklore, family stories, visits to grandparents, rituals, the church, volunteer work, and etc. When we think of culture, it’s usually intellectual stuff or mass-entertainment stuff. It is rarely about the culture of family, church, heritage, and community. Japan has lost this kind of culture, and it is dying. White America also lost his kind of culture, and it’s no wonder so many morons went for ‘gay marriage’. How can anyone know what has real value when their entire culture is about fad and fashion than trust and tradition?

    A national culture cannot be based on Pokemon, Porn, and Pachinko. STILL WALKING is a rare Japanese film that takes into account the need for this kind of culture of the heart. Even among estranged and imperfect people, it’s the connections of the heart that are most meaningful and hopefully resilient.

    It’s often been observed that animals in captivity have ‘forgotten’ how to raise the young. So, if a leopard gives birth to young ones, it will ignore them and be apathetic. In a sterile and unnatural antiseptic environment, the leopard has lost its sense of connection to instinct and life.
    Japanese are now in some kind of plastic bubble universe. It’s very clean, but sterility and antisepticism are lifeless. It’s like the novels of Haruki Murakami have no life. They are all about objects and products. People are merely incidental to the setting. A can of coke has more character than any character.

    Japanese heart or kokoro seems dead. People have become Comfortably Numb. Japanese are not killing each other like blacks in Baltimore, but their inability to feel for another and connect with one another is just another kind of culture of death. Without men and women connecting, there is no life, and without expression of warmth and affection, there is no family life. In KIKUJIRO, some lowlife ho abandoned her kid to be with another man and kid. And the scene where Kitano visits the retirement complex and just numbly gazes at his mother says volumes about how Family Culture died in Japan. Not in the way of the black community with tons of kids born out of wedlock but in the inability for family members to express feelings for one another. Because Japanese have become so cool with one another, it’s understandable why more Japanese men seek brides from poor Asian nations. Women from poorer nations aren’t so cool and soulless. And Japanese women go for whites and negroes who seem more alive than the pallid and soulless men of Otaku-nation.

    Anyway, even though we can’t force people to mate and have kids at gunpoint, we can create a culture and enforce policies that restore people’s instincts and feelings for family. Also, people must be instilled with consciousness for community above individuality. Individualism in moderation is good but is otherwise insane. After all, an individual lives just several decades(and youth lasts just two decades). So, putting the desires of the individual at the center of life, values, and norms is egotistical and delusional. One must realize that one is a part of a long thread that existed long before he was born and must continue to exist as long as possible after he is dead. Such consciousness makes people feel more obligated to live a meaningful cultural life with ties to past and future.

    National Humanist Neo-Fascism is the only answer.

    If not, the only way Japan can survive is by the BREIBU NU WARUDO method. Massive cloning as conceptualized by Aldous Huxley.

  24. republic says:

    brevity is the soul of wit

  25. Dumbo says:
    @notanon

    Are you aware that people in Japan and China have consumed soy for THOUSANDS of years? Soy has ZERO to do with the problems affecting contemporary Japan. The problem for Japan was losing the war followed by westernization. They should go back to arranged marriages, that is all.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @notanon
    , @Josep
  26. @Anon

    Dogs can’t talk or think. We can’t have intellectual discussion with them.

    One of the DUMBEST statement of year i ever read…

    Dogs can’t talk but they communicate based on non-verbal ways with us and yes, in ”talking” ways among them.

    Dogs THINK, but their thinking are obviously less evolved or sophisticated than ”ours”, strongly associated with their actions…

    • Replies: @Anon
  27. megabar says:

    > One of the DUMBEST statement of year i ever read…

    Yet your attack largely agrees with his statement….

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  28. @megabar

    A ”personal” opinion…

    with an argument, at least one, i can re-argue.

    I’m expecting…

  29. eah says:

    A More Colorful, Diluted Enriched and Dying Japan

  30. notanon says:
    @Dumbo

    1) fermented soy

    2) baby formula

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  31. notanon says:
    @Dumbo

    They should go back to arranged marriages, that is all.

    there may be something in this – if farmer pacification makes people shyer then the adults might need to assist in early match-making (and if they used to assist and then suddenly stop the shy kids will have a problem).

    (this is partly the problem in the West also imo)

    the western solution to this wasn’t arranged marriages it was arranged social events (chaperoned dances) where the adults would push kids close enough together for them to smell the pheromones (but no more) while still allowing the kids to decide for themselves who they eventually paired up with.

    i think that is better and the west should ditch unchaperoned social events for youngsters and go back to the old way – chaperoned formal dances (which probably evolved for precisely this reason).

    maybe Japan too?

    (also although this might help with the part of the problem connected to initial shyness it won’t help if part of it is low sex drive caused by hormonal problems)

    (speed dating is kind of an attempt at re-creating this but dances would be better cos sweat = pheromones)

  32. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Santoculto

    Dogs can’t talk but they communicate based on non-verbal ways with us and yes, in ”talking” ways among them.

    Yeah, they communicate “I wanna eat, I wanna sleep, I wanna go outside and pee”. Or “I love you.”

    Dogs THINK, but their thinking are obviously less evolved or sophisticated than ”ours”, strongly associated with their actions…

    Dogs have consciousness and emotions and have memory and can use limited reason. But most mammals can do also.
    The reason why dogs are special to us is they are social animals and deeply attached to us. It’s emotional.

    You dammy.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  33. @Anon

    You really need to get a blog. This stuff is too good to get buried in a combox.

    • Agree: TheBoom
  34. TheBoom says:
    @Anon

    And this means a mindless culture of celebrity and worship of Mammon.

    In much of Eastern Asia/China, people not only believe you judge a book by its cover, they believe the cover is the book. If you have a luxury car, top of the line phone, sharp clothes and a good real estate portfolio, you are respected as a high status person no matter the source of your wealth.

    Dao to symbolize this in how it is practiced. Maybe it has always been this way but the Dao religion is focused on pay for play/pray. Going to a temple is similar to writing a Christmas list for Santa and including some cash to generate action

  35. Greg S. says:
    @TG

    Excellent comment. Reminds me of another one of those “big lies” that seemingly everyone believes but that is obviously not true. That “big lie” is that endless growth is necessary for advancement of society. You hear variants of this almost everyday – talking heads screaming about GDP not increasing fast enough, sales not increasing fast enough, trade not increasing fast enough. But all of this is taking place on a finite planet with finite resources, so by the very laws of physics and nature, growth and expansion cannot be endless.

    The west smugly chastises Japan for having a falling population and not replacing themselves with third world immigrants like the west is doing. We mock them and say “look at how far Japan is falling behind!” But are they really? And who will win this game in the long run? My money would be on Japan, not the west that is already rotten from within.

  36. notanon says:
    @Santoculto

    don’t care – gonna keep saying it till i see lots of research into the hormonal effects of food 🙂

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  37. @Anon

    There’s something off about a nation that produces so much porn and yet 40% of its young people are virgins that are so terrified of the opposite sex that they can’t even screw up the nerve to go on a date.

    Perhaps if they’d followed Mishima’s idea about resurrecting far right nationalism they would’ve been a healthier country.

  38. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Note how all of the ethnic groups he describes are of the same race as the Japanese. If all the black and brown people in Britain, France etc., were replaced with white ethnics from different parts of Europe, the situation would be totally different.

    I do think the writer (who is himself Vietnamese) does deserve credit for talking openly about Vietnamese crime in Japan.

  39. njguy73 says:
    @Anon

    Communism may have been a blessing in disguise for Asia in the long run.

    As terrible as it was, it shielded parts from Asia from the Sickness of the West that put things and ideas above humans. Today, there is healthier national cultures in Eastern former communist Europe than in the West. And once-communist Asian nations are saner than Asian Tigers that are now Asian Pandas that are unable to breed.

    Communism was tyrannical and brutal. But it did inculcate generations of Asians with respect for Labor, at least ideologically.

    Maybe we should try that here. Then after 74 years, when the People’s Republic of America dissolves, whoever’s left will get life right.

  40. eah says:
    @Santoculto

    The general opinion about soy in the ‘paleo’ community is that it’s bad for you — eg it contains a lot of phytoestrogen, which is thought to be feminizing.

  41. @notanon

    Instead the hard hypothesis try the easier, it’s a logic way to think. Japaneses are hyper-collectivist or has been adapted to this environment. Just like a great preponderance of nerdy typos, among men and women, who don’t know how to court one each other and also have comparatively less libido than another groups.

  42. @Anon

    Yeah, they communicate “I wanna eat, I wanna sleep, I wanna go outside and pee”. Or “I love you.”

    That’s basically your level of thinking, less the ”i love you”, organic robots often don’t know what is it.

    That’s the basic of thought, of action, of life. Nothing wrong with that, trans-species comparisons must be done cautiously, isn’t*

    Dogs have consciousness and emotions and have memory and can use limited reason. But most mammals can do also.
    The reason why dogs are special to us is they are social animals and deeply attached to us. It’s emotional.

    You dammy.

    ”correcting the super bullshit i said previously”

    you whitehy tra$$hy..

  43. @eah

    Paleo-community is mostly composed by sexually insecure males who need create a cult where they can use it to reinforce for themselves that they are safe against any type of homossexualismes and use this culture as valid science.

    Today in we$$tern we have more out closet males than in the past; more individual liberty to behave in the way we want, included paleo-trash.

    Conserfism culture is mostly based on homogenezation of costumes, forcing people to behave similarly and shame those who don’t.

    Without most of conserf cultural layers or mechanisms to inhibit individual desires more males has just put out what in another culture they would stay closet.

    If there are a REAL increasing of femminine males we must analyse demographic factors first instead to jump to conspiracy theories.

    More couples having kids later or more ”later kids” in combination with reduction of total population. But, the cultural changes in Japan is so recent and based on increasing of meat consuption thanks for westernization we can’t blame something they always ate.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @notanon
  44. @eah

    I basically don’t eat soy at all. You’re saying about a causality…

    ”if you eat more soy since always, so it’s likely your testosterone levels will be reduced”

  45. eah says:
    @Santoculto

    Paleo-community is mostly composed by sexually insecure males…

    Don’t be absurd man — such a ridiculous generalization just makes it more difficult to take seriously anything else you might say.

    Effects of soy consumption (eg phytoestrogens) are a matter of (ongoing) scientific investigation — in general diet science has been pretty shoddy for a long time (which has likely contributed heavily to the ‘obesity epidemic’, and more generally to the rapid spread of ‘diseases of modern civilization’, eg diabetes) — peope who are interested can — among other things — follow Mangan on Twitter (links above), or at his website: Rogue Health and Fitness.

    Regarding what ails — or does not ail — Japan, I have no strong opinion — but I would not like to see Japan become less Japanese by accepting lots of immigrants.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  46. @Plato's Dream

    What, you never had more than one job?

    • Replies: @Plato's Dream
  47. Marcus says:
    @Anon

    Japanese women are a bunch of whores anyway.

    And which aren’t?

  48. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Let me get this straight…

    A) Japan is supposedly ‘dying’, yet they have the longest life expectancy in the entire world.

    B) Their economy is supposedly ‘stagnant’, yet as Sean points out, Japan’s real GDP per capita has outperformed all other large developed nations while simultaneously managing to maintain low income inequality.

    C) Westernization and capitalism leads to low fertility rates, yet as Clyde points out:

    Total fertility rate of Vietnam is 1.85

    The total fertility rate of North Korea is 1.94

    Vietnam is economically under developed and has minimal Western influence, yet has a sub replacement fertility rate.

    North Korea is at about the same level of economic development as African countries with 6.0+ fertility rates. They have less Western influence than just about any country on the planet…. and yet they have sub replacement fertility as well..

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @alan2102
  49. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Japanese and Chinese have been eating tofu for 2,000+ years. No fertility rate data going back that far, but during that span of time they’ve been two of the most populous regions on the entire planet…

    • Replies: @eah
  50. anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    As terrible as it was, it shielded parts from Asia from the Sickness of the West that put things and ideas above humans. Today, there is healthier national cultures in Eastern former communist Europe than in the West. And once-communist Asian nations are saner than Asian Tigers that are now Asian Pandas that are unable to breed.

    Communist and post communist countries have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world (Eastern Europe, northern China)… Even Vietnam and North Korea have low fertility rates relative to their level of development.

    Btw, with so much empty verbiage spilled about how infertile Japanese people are, I am a little curious about how many children commenters here have. Anon/Priss? Linh Dinh? Everyone else? I dunno, but I wouldn’t be surprise if many commenters here have fewer children than the average Japanese woman of the same age…. Which would make some of the comments here a bit hypocritical if you ask me….

  51. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Asia is vagina to the world.

    Miss Japan few yrs back was a half-black product of a black man.

    Miss Philippines is half-white product of a white man.

  52. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    nice post, esp this part:

    Since TV create the impression of life, interaction, fun, meaning, and whatever, even people without families no longer need be lonely and seek out people to interact with. There are all these ‘idealized’ characters on TV. They could be like your surrogate family. Esp as Soap Opera became huge in Asia, entire peoples, esp women, lived their lives through soap opera characters. They became more concerned and involved with fantasy figures than with real life. Also, because TV featured all these characters who were better looking and more affluent, that became the ideal for so many people and they were unwilling to settle for the Less of reality where most people are not so pretty, cool, or glamorous. TV was totally phony, but one could lose oneself in its fantasy that seemed better than reality. Also, TV ran 24/7, so even a person living alone could also feel that he or she was part of something.

    i fell into this TV trap

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  53. eah says:
    @anonymous

    Why Western men have suffered a 50% decline in sperm count over four decades

    Yet — oddly enough — western women still get pregnant…for now — nonetheless, such a dramatic and relatively rapid decline just might be cause for concern and worth investigating.

    A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men

    Same.

    Some people who smoke heavily never get cancer — yet you may want to consider the statistical association of smoking with various forms of cancer.

    So what was your point again?

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @Liza
  54. Josep says:
    @Dumbo

    Are you aware that people in Japan and China have consumed soy for THOUSANDS of years?

    Even if the effects of soy (e.g. tofu) on one’s testosterone levels were true, I likewise don’t see how the consumption of soy in China and Japan would have prevented both countries from rising to prominence (kudos to Anon 280 for beating me to it)

    They should go back to arranged marriages, that is all.

    Excuse me, but I always assumed that the rule of thumb was for a man to marry a woman (and vice versa) out of love. Am I missing something?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @notanon
  55. @eah

    Don’t be absurd man — such a ridiculous generalization just makes it more difficult to take seriously anything else you might say.

    Triggered… maybe i’m right here.

    combat generalization with another one.

    But it’s not a generalization at all, more like a ”averagezization”.

    Effects of soy consumption (eg phytoestrogens) are a matter of (ongoing) scientific investigation

    Good, some ponderation…

    in general diet science has been pretty shoddy for a long time (which has likely contributed heavily to the ‘obesity epidemic’, and more generally to the rapid spread of ‘diseases of modern civilization’, eg diabetes) — peope who are interested can — among other things — follow Mangan

    Follow another white retard on right wink ”side”…

    Mangan don’t want to die without become a musculous self-proud daddy. Self-awareness increase despair which increase ridiculousness.

    People eat more, exercise less – no big mistery.

    Usasses eat considerably more and more shittily than any other people =…

    ”munhiiim, mouses are just like 98,7% similar to humans… good, we need test on them”

    don’t be too literate here autie..

    • Replies: @eah
    , @notanon
  56. @eah

    Do we actually have very good statistical data about testosterone levels to conclude anything about it*
    Many of these researchers often confound correlation with causation, just like: ”marriage reduce testosterone”.

    • Replies: @notanon
  57. eah says:
    @Santoculto

    Triggered… maybe i’m right here…Follow another white retard on right wink ”side”…

    Yeah, sure, whatever — fuck off you dumb little fag.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @Truth
  58. Soy don’t make MAN behave like this

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. Alberto says:

    As a native of Milwaukee Wisconsin, the poorest city after Detroit, I would gladly live in any part of Japan, be it urban wonderland salaryman Hell, or rural snowcapped Hel, it would be paradise on earth compared to here. My city is known only for producing ‘rappers’ that can’t even hold their own turf. It must be exhilarating to live in a place of the world where there are industries besides decrepit tanneries and power plants.

    • Replies: @Truth
  60. FERTILITY & THE MORALITY OF POPULATION PYRAMIDS

    Of course most writers here have few or no children.

    Most of the posters are middle-class, educated, highbrow, responsible and raised with standard respectable morals. Support your kids if you are a man, don’t be a slut if you are a female, get an education/trade, pay your way, take care of your family etc.

    Invariably among whites in Europe or in the United States with the exception of a few religious groups it is the inner-city thugs and low IQ rural poor who produce more children, not having been inculcated with any sense of responsible or moral sense. Tenements and trailer parks will always overflow.

    Brazil, often cited here, is a good example. A small number of whites carefully select marriage partners from their circle of elite families who are also white. Beneath them are loads of Mestizos and Mulatto and at the bottom are poor blacks in Favelas whose fertility guarantees there will always be far more of them.

    In terms of female biology, Africans and tropical women are the most fecund and reach peak fertility earliest in life. You don’t meet many black or Mexican women at fertility clinics with hubby beating off in some test tube because they cannot conceive. It is Asian and white women who are comparatively barren.

    The world population pyramid of rich and poor reflects this. In Africa, each woman has six children. In Japan, it is zero.

    • Replies: @Truth
  61. @anon

    The sad thing is that the people who produce and write television are often drug addicts or pedophiles in Los Angeles.

    So people whose lives revolve around some television series are structuring their existence around cocaine addicts.

    It is also reflective of how little males these days HAVE TO DO.

    Twenty-five or fifty years ago, males were busy working, making money, having sex, enjoying their toys. Today many males have little in life to enjoy but watch some mediocre entertainers performing some production written over rails of cocaine by a Jewish pedophile in Los Angeles somewhere.

    That is sad.

  62. Liza says:
    @eah

    Yet — oddly enough — western women still get pregnant

    It’s hard not to notice that western males seem to be producing way more daughters than sons in recent years. Something to do with pollution of various kinds (not just the air you breathe) taking its toll or so I heard years ago on a television program.

  63. Nawyr says:
    @Anon

    Why are so many white men committing suicide in the US? They lost manhood to the Negroes who beat up white boys and take white women. White guys are drowning in drugs because they are ideologically beaten, spiritually beaten, athletically beaten, sexually beaten, and etc.

    LOL! You’ll need to provide a source for that one, Martha. Actually, it’s white women who are disproportionately affected by the current drug and alcohol phenomenon in the USA, and white men have never had a higher sexual market value than ever before. They also take the majority of male medals in sport in America.

    White women are being left in the dumps. :-/ 😀

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonymous
  64. m___ says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    “Declining population not necessarily a bad thing”.

    This needs elaboration, and is an understanding that should be mainstream. The necessary corollary should then be how to maintain relative proportionality between ethnic groups and territories. That is the main problem when “shrinking” the global population. Maintaining relative balance, while upgrading quality of human versus commodity human. That requires in turn throwing out our understandings and pre-concepts of theoretical economics and finance. No historical models fit the future!

    The temporary “eldery over-presence”, will snuff itself out. This of course is self evidenced, misrepresentation as an excuse for immigration is of course a dud. Even this is rarely questioned. What a low-life sociologists, and economists we deserve!

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  65. @eah

    2x triggered…

    you sub-human white trailler trash who think ”racial purity” mean truly something in real world.

    • Replies: @notanon
  66. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Japanese men are now a bunch of Cuckaroo Banzais.

  67. Bucky says:

    Accounts of Japan before its 1945 defeat are of a people who truly believed in the emperor. Following the atomic bombings, is it any wonder that this belief is gone? Loss of belief results in loss of family.

  68. How come you left your nasty Israel must be annihilated rhetoric out of this charming reportage of reality? What did you replace your Canon 50d that got stolen with?

  69. neutral says:

    All the usual reasons for the decline in births that one is allowed to discuss, education, wealth, democracy – for you that believe this is the truth, explain why this does not apply to Israel?

  70. utu says:

    The biggest elephant in the room that nobody talks about is the banking industry and Japan’s Central Bank concerted effort to introduce the neo-liberal market-oriented policies that lead to the recession of 1990 and the Asian financial crisis. The crisis and the halting of Japan was part of the plan on which the central bankers were woking for years to free themselves from Japan’s ministry of finance which historically was always behind the pro-Japanese financial policies. Not any more. Japan is in the hands of the international banking syndicate which will drive Japan to the ground. In the paradigm of the neo-liberal economics there is no option available for declining population and no-growth economy. You either grow or die and to grow you must increase your population and this can only be accomplished with fresh blood of cheap labor from abroad.

    It is worth reading Richard Werner’s Princes of the Yen or watching the documentary based on it:

    Werner identifies the mechanism, the plan and its immediate consequences for Japan but he does not go as far as I did that the objective was to reduce Japan’s ability to retain its sovereign character as culture and ethnos.

    The only defense against the neoliberalism is fascism that combines populist ideas from the left and from the right.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @notanon
  71. Dumbo says:
    @Josep

    Am I missing something?

    To base a long-term relationship only in “love” (really infatuation or sex appeal) is not always the best idea.

    In contemporary Japan, 1 in 4 men in Japan (and 1 in 6 women) never marry. That’s a huge number. Many are virgins well into their 30s or 40s.

    In Japan, the way it used to work until the 50s or even the 60s, was for soft arranged marriages, i.e., the bride and the groom were introduced by someone else in the family or by a friend/work relation, but the women always had the choice to select among different candidates, or even to refuse. (Just watch any Ozu movie, I’m basing my knowledge of Japanese society on his films, as I have never been to Japan 😉 ).

    Anyway, it wasn’t all that bad neither for men or women, until feminism and the changes in society with women working, being more independent, etc, changed things. But the current situation is worse for both men and women, as so few people marrying and even less having kids is not healthy at all (not mentioning the other ills such as infantilization, fetishes, etc).

    The Japanese tend to be less extroverted, so a system with semi-arranged marriages like that works much better for them than the “Darwinian” Anglo/Western way where winner takes all.

    If Japan ever opens their doors to immigrants, it will be finished, most of their women will become whores to whites and blacks.

  72. @m___

    “The temporary “eldery over-presence”, will snuff itself out. This of course is self evidenced, misrepresentation as an excuse for immigration is of course a dud. Even this is rarely questioned.”

    They tell us that we need immigrants to pay our pensions but neglect to mention that those same immigrants will someday need someone to pay for their pensions too, so unsustainable immigration for eternity it is then?

    Then of course there’s the very questionable assumption that Guatemalans and Somalis are going to be the next generation of scientists, engineers and cancer specialists.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  73. Truth says:
    @eah

    Triggered… maybe i’m right here…Follow another white retard on right wink ”side”…

    Yeah, sure, whatever — fuck off you dumb little fag.

    Lincoln and Douglass are taking copious notes.

    • Replies: @eah
  74. Truth says:
    @Alberto

    So what’s stopping you?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  75. Truth says:
    @Nawyr

    Be kinda nice of you to provide a legend with the graph, Bro.

  76. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You don’t meet many black or Mexican women at fertility clinics with hubby beating off in some test tube because they cannot conceive. It is Asian and white women who are comparatively barren.

    Stryke-Dogg, are you sure it isn’t Asian and White men who aren’t comparatively barren?

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  77. Less than the size of California but three times the size of its population, Japan doesn’t need to breed anymore… it’s better off with forty million strong all Japanese society (it certainly shouldn’t be inviting wretched Bangladeshis in the land of Shinto to corrupt it with secondhand Islam)!

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anonymous
  78. utu says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    so unsustainable immigration for eternity it is then?

    – this follows from the financial system that is based on debt money which is burdened with interest, i.e., usury. The system can go on only if the number of participants is growing on behalf of which more debt money is issued from which the interest for the old money can be repaid. This is a mathematical necessity.

    • Replies: @m___
    , @notanon
  79. After my last article on Japan, “Telfoed John” brilliantly commented, “All technology which makes the far-away close, makes the close far-away.

    Thanks for the compliment. It’s weird how all this interconnectness disconnects us. We’ve been atomised. Anonymised. Appletized by Steve Jobs.

    For a society, technological success, or any civilisational success, is like the bulge of a mouse inside a boa constrictor. It shows how skilled the snake is, how powerful. But the snake is not going to be hunting or fucking soon. It just wants to sleep and dream. Other snakes will get the mice and mates for a while.

  80. ken says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    “too many elderly people but in another twenty years there will be a lot fewer of them as a percentage of the overall population.” How? Today’s 60 year olds will be 80 and the 20-35 year old crowd still isn’t having kids. Once you flip the demographic pyramid over it seldom flips back. You’ve created generations of worker bees that don’t even know about the purpose of intercourse.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  81. Mark G. says:
    @Truth

    It may not be easy to move to Japan. I work in accounting for the military at Indianapolis. We have an accounting site in Japan. There’s a big demand to move to job positions there but the supply is much smaller. Demand exceeds supply by a large margin. This is even though, from what I hear, there are language barriers involving learning the Japanese language and cultural barriers involving the Japanese having a completely different culture and etiquette system that is hard for an American to integrate into. The central part of Indianapolis is a black ghetto hellhole but fortunately I make enough I don’t have to live there. I can live in a suburb and don’t have to move to Japan to get away from that. Even the black accountants I work with don’t live in central Indianapolis. Middle class blacks don’t like living around ghetto blacks any more than white people do.

    • Replies: @Truth
  82. eah says:
    @Truth

    What is there to debate? — what should I say? — that, uhh, Mangan isn’t a “white retard”? — take a look at the grotesque, outrageous generalizations of this idiot — where is the potential for debate? — my comments in this thread up until that point were civil — but my patience is limited.

    Mangan is a guy who clearly devotes a lot of his personal time to following and interpreting modern research on diet and health — he then presents this to a general audience — not just for their edification, but to help people — he writes books on the subject — if you don’t want to pay the modest cost, he will send you the books for free in pdf format: just ask him — if you disagree, or have something to say, reply to one of his tweets, or leave a comment at his site: he will answer — I’m sure he makes no or very little money at this — he is not a “white retard”, and does not deserve to be called that.

    Alles klar?

    Another big comeuppance fail — I already told you about that in another comment thread — you’re a slow learner.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Santoculto
  83. Che Guava says:
    @prime noticer

    Vietnam is a (the?) preferred point of origin for mail-order brides in Sth. Korea.

    In Japan, very often Phillipinas, who tend to leave their farmer husbands to go and work as hostesses ASAP. Was meeting several victims of this in a time of work in the south.

  84. alan2102 says:
    @anon

    ” What’s happening to Japan is relevant worldwide, for all the most advanced and accomplished populations are shrinking, while the most backward recklessly breed.”

    Those populations are shrinking BECAUSE they are advanced and accomplished. It is what advancement — economic, technologic, educational, etc. — does. Meanwhile, the populations that are growing are not doing so because of “recklessness”, they are doing it because of underdevelopment. With urbanization, education, better nutrition, existential security, etc., etc., comes collapsing fertility.
    That will happen in this century in Africa and the Middle East (the areas of highest remaining fertility), as China succeeds in developing those areas and bringing them into the greater Eurasian zone of trade and advancement. If the West were to remain the dominant force, then we could expect continued war, destruction, underdevelopment, population explosion, and so on. Thank God for China.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @bomag
  85. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Vietnam and North Korea were Confucian cultures which became Communist, which is a Modernist ideology.

    Ho Chi Minh was descended from Confucian scholars and studied Confucianism at a young age. He later received a French education and traveled to France and elsewhere in the West, where he was exposed to Modernist ideologies such as nationalism, socialism, and communism.

    North Korea was a hotbed of primarily American Protestant missionary activity, and Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea, was raised as a Presbyterian and his grandfather had been a Protestant minister.

    All of these Modernist ideologies elevate the status of women and suppress traditional patriarchal culture, which in turn suppresses fertility. Communist political economy also typically involves the state marshaling as much labor power as possible, and this means employing women en masse.

  86. alan2102 says:
    @anonymous

    “Westernization and capitalism leads to low fertility rates”

    Development and urbanization leads to low fertility rates. Socialist China now has fertility rate well below replacement. The BIG collapse of fertility in China was during the Mao era, 1950s and 1960s.

  87. Che Guava says:
    @utu

    Utu,

    You are as generally, not always, correct. However, you are knowing as well as I, that if the ‘growth is needed for continued prosperity’ is to continue, the results will be disaster.

    Well, for Japan, I agree with the earlier commentor that a smaller population on the same land is a good idea. As I have said in earlier comments, the population at the end of the Shogunates was about to fifty million. The wartime slogan of 100 million under one roof was based on including the populations of Taiwan and Korea.

    It was only many years after the war that the population of the home islands was exceeding 100 million. It is still far above. Sure, there is a bulge in old to very old people. I see people I have known for years making the transition to not being able to ride a bicycle. That is not a joyful sight.

    Still, economic lies based on constant growth are a lie, as anybody to excercise basic logic will see, the end of that path is disaster.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Sean
  88. m___ says:
    @utu

    We do agree, of course this understandig, and how it propagates all over societal systemics is lost to the crowds, the smart fringes of the same. Now acting upon such untenable systemics is completely out of the possible.

    Our conclusion as to how the elites do not seem to mind the longer term consequences, the danger this represents to their own sustainable grip on power, is that though smart enough to run circles around the herd, they are sorryfully dim as to include the essential variables to be taken into account. And we do mean the old farts hunkering in the shadows, not the insignificant dullies in the public eye.

  89. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Lovot, Japan’s new touchy-feely family robot, aims to spread a little love | The Japan Times
    Ryusei Takahashi

    Tokyo is one of the biggest cities in the world, but it also might be the loneliest. So much so that its people may need to be taught how to love by a robot.

    On Tuesday, robotics venture company Groove X Inc. unveiled a cute knee-high robot called Lovot. The name is a combination of the words “love” and “robot,” which befits a device whose primary function is to provide people with comfort and companionship.

    “Lovot does not have life, but being with one is comforting and warm,” said Kaname Hayashi, president of Groove X and leader of the development team that created Pepper, the semi-humanoid robot from SoftBank Robotics. “We want people to see that though something may seem useless at first glance, it serves a meaningful function in other ways.”

    Born from the concept that “a small amount of love will change the world,” Lovot was created to redefine the role that robots play in our society.

    A thermographic camera on its head allows Lovot to track the motion of people around it. It pays careful attention to minute details like facial expressions, hand gestures and even posture.

    It has tactile sensors on every surface, LCD eye displays, high speed movement and a high-powered computer. It even has dilating pupils.

    Lovot also functions as a makeshift surveillance camera or baby monitor by transmitting live footage from a device on its head. For those concerned about privacy, it can function without an internet connection and its cameras can be configured so the footage is not preserved in any way.

    “But it can do much more than that,” Hayashi said. “Lovot is a mysterious and cute presence that will behave differently based on its interactions with its owner.”

    Lovot responds to individuals based on how they treat it, the company said. Someone who treats it well, for example, will gain its affection. On the other hand, Lovot will likely avoid or ignore anybody who abuses or neglects it.

    Beyond its technical capabilities, Lovot has many eerily human attributes as well. The small, spherical robot wanders around, mapping the layout of the room as it goes. When it encounters a person, it often flaps its arms to signal that it wants to be held. With a soft outer shell, interchangeable clothing and an internal temperature just above human body heat, Lovot was designed with the family in mind, Hayashi said.

    Lovot is being sold in sets of two for ¥598,000. In 2020, individual units will be available for ¥349,000. Online orders can be made as of Tuesday and most units will be delivered around fall or winter 2019.

    “It’s important for trust to be created between people and machines,” Hayashi said. “Until now, such things were beyond the reach of modern technology. Our predecessors predicted that this day would come.”

    • Replies: @Allan
  90. utu says:
    @Che Guava

    Fine. You are making your point but you are not addressing my comment at all as if it went over your head. I gave the reason why Bank of Japan shenanigans and various changes of laws it recommended that took place in Japan in last 20 years are working against everything what you are arguing for. Go talk to the bankers not to me. They are pulling the strings and their policies have tangible results that can be seen in Japan.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  91. Sean says:
    @Che Guava

    Economists Daron Acemoglu of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Pascual Restrepo of Boston University found there isn’t a negative relationship between an older population and GDP growth

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w23077

    Several recent theories emphasize the negative effects of an aging population on economic growth, either because of the lower labor force participation and productivity of older workers or because aging will create an excess of savings over desired investment, leading to secular stagnation. We show that there is no such negative relationship in the data. If anything, countries experiencing more rapid aging have grown more in recent decades. We suggest that this counterintuitive finding might reflect the more rapid adoption of automation technologies in countries undergoing more pronounced demographic changes, and provide evidence and theoretical underpinnings for this argument..

    The key factor here is that the two economists find that aging and the reduction in the supply of prime-age workers will necessarily lead to an increase in wages. Demographics may be very important for understanding economic trends, but they are not destiny. Higher wages might be an important and necessary trend for a boosting growth in a future where workers are increasingly older, but we should be skeptical that such a change will happen on its own. Policy might have to contribute as well.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/why-an-ageing-population-might-be-good-news-for-the-economy

    I have been caustically animadverted ( ‘no shit Sherlock/’) when I have made the following point before , but obvious though it may be here goes again. Immigration reduces the incentive to increase productivity. For example, on construction sites using workers with shovels to mix cement on the sidewalk can be cheaper than using machinery (this was actually happening in New York not so long ago). I dare say that there can be analogous saving for employers in tech fims by importing Indian commuter programmers. On security grounds William S Lind advocates “tight border security, far tighter than anything President Trump is planning”. I think this would help with incentives for innovation because invention of robots will only come about because the cost of labour is prohibitive. Create a shortage of workers for a real take off of the American economy. Business will only invest in better technology if it has to doso. With anything like current levels of illegal and legal immigration continuing then, fantastic as it sounds, America will quite possibly fall behind China and Japan in key technologies.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  92. Truth says:
    @Mark G.

    LMAO!

    My dad lives in Carmel.

    But there is nothing stopping this Milwaukee gentleman from moving to say, Fresno.

    • Replies: @Thim
  93. Truth says:
    @eah

    With one particpant being a “dumb little fag” and the other one a “white retard” brings this great quote to mind…

    “Never argue with an idiot, because people watching may not know the difference.”

    ― David J. Henderhan

    I certainly don’t, Abraham.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  94. Alex says:

    What strikes me in all these comments as well as in the main article is that nobody seems to know there was a crucially important alphabet reform in the late 1940’s that was pushed through by US occupation authorities.

    This alphabet reform removed a lot of Chinese characters and at the same time standardized the remaining alphabet to the point that any pre-1945 text is pretty much unintelligible to the majority of Japanese people nowadays. The intent of the reform was to change the Japanese mindset by removing access to any pro-military literature promoting the superiority of Japan over the rest of the world. Since the 1870’s. The Meiji restauration had posited Japan as having the main task of catching up with Western civilization and then overtaking it.

    Remove 2000 years of historical texts from a nation, replace it with mangas and doe-eyed cartoon characters while Western rot permeates every level of Japanese society and you have today’s wreck.

    I do not claim to be an expert of Japan, having never been there, however, I worked for Canon Inc in Long Island, NY for almost 3 years and while there, I had ample opportunities to mingle with Japanese employees. What triggered my curiosity about this seismic shift was that I had purchased a set of old Japanese prints at an antiques auction. These prints from Kuniyoshi represented different episodes of the story of the 47 Ronin and were quite popular in Japan in the 1900’s. Many households probably had these on their walls. I took these prints to work since I wanted the texts accompanying the illustrations translated and I figured my Japanese colleagues could help me with this task. To my surprise, not a single Japanese colleague could even understand the meaning of the texts. These people were all college educated professionals and they admitted they simply could not translate pre-1945 Japanese. One woman even told me she had taken traditional Japanese classes while in college but she could still not understand the meaning of the texts. Basically, Shakespeare is much more legible to us than pre WWII literature to the average Japanese.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @ploni almoni
  95. notanon says:
    @Santoculto

    we can’t blame something they always ate

    sure we can – it just requires a change in some aspect of the production or consumption: how produced, how much consumed, age of consumption etc

    • Replies: @notanon
  96. notanon says:
    @Santoculto

    Usasses eat considerably more and more shittily than any other people

    right, which proves dietary guidelines can be corrupted by commercial forces.

  97. notanon says:
    @Santoculto

    we know sperm counts have been going down dramatically for decades

    something is causing it

    phyto-estrogens in foods like soy are a prime candidate

  98. notanon says:
    @Anon

    Why are so many white men committing suicide in the US? They lost manhood to the Negroes…

    the suicide epidemic is concentrated in all-white rust-belt towns

    you are projecting your own psychological problems.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  99. utu says:
    @Alex

    Very interesting comment about language reform and education. The question is whether the reform was indeed done with the purpose to erase accessibility to their own past. Were the occupation authorities that visionary and so destructive?

    I found confirmation to your story about the lack of undressing 100 years old texts among Japanese:

    https://www.quora.com/Can-modern-Japanese-people-read-and-understand-kana-poetry-from-the-Heian-period
    I taught this class in English and I relied on English translations of the texts for my lectures. But as not all my students were proficient in English, I provided both English and Japanese versions of the texts.

    Many students said that they actually found the English versions easier to read than the Japanese ones because the Japanese used in those older texts was archaic and pretty different from modern Japanese.

    And that was for texts that were only a little over a hundred years old. I imagine stuff from the Heian period would be far more difficult for them.

    As far as the reform wiki claims:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_script_reform
    A misconception is held that Japanese script reform originated from the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers during the Occupation of Japan, but in fact, a plan had already been put into place prior to the occupation. Reform efforts date back to at least 1900, and proposals to reform kanji usage had been developed in the 1920s

    Indeed something is fishy because supporters of the reforms often reference the 1866 report advocating the reform but:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_script_reform
    These criticisms led to arguments that reduction or eradication of kanji was a matter of national interest. The idea of abolishing kanji is often referenced to Maejima Hisoka’s report titled Kanji onhaishi no gi (漢字御廃止之議, lit. “The argument for the abolition of kanji”), which was submitted to the shōgun Tokugawa Yoshinobu in 1866. The report argued that kanji should be abolished because the process of learning kanji was inefficient; however, in recent years the existence of this report has come into question,[citation needed] and further investigation was made into the subject in a graduation thesis for the department of literary history at Risshō University in 1999.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. I still submit that Japan is rather homogenous, given that most its “diversity” consists of fellow Asians. Without trying to repeat the “all Asians look alike” trope, a Japanese person has more in common with a Korean than a white Brit has in common with a Pakistani; or an Irishman with a Nigerian; or a Swede with an Afghan. And so on.

    I also wonder how the Japanese would respond to immigration proposals if told that in around 5 decades, they would become a minority. For now, I can only presume that the reason they embrace “liberal” attitudes on immigration – besides wanting cheap labor – is because they take it for granted that they’ll remain a solid majority.

    I imagine that if minorities there became as numerous and militant as minorities in Western countries, they would be singing a different tune.

  101. Japan’s foreign-born population has increased by about 800,000 since the year 2000. That’s slightly over 0.6% of the overall population.

    Overall, all foreigners (post-2000 and pre-2000) combined are about 2% of Japan’s population. 85-90% of Japan’s foreigners are East or Southeast Asian, with the largest groups being Chinese, Koreans, and overseas ethnic Japanese.

    Over time, as robotics technology replaces human labor, the need for workers will fall dramatically. So smaller future generations of Japanese youths won’t have to contend with massive unemployment, at least not as bad as what you’ll see in America and much of the first world.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Truth
  102. notanon says:
    @utu

    yes – Japan opening its borders is a sign their political class has begun the slow process of being totally corrupted by the banking mafia.

  103. notanon says:
    @Josep

    Excuse me, but I always assumed that the rule of thumb was for a man to marry a woman (and vice versa) out of love. Am I missing something?

    that is only the rule of thumb in the West – in most of the world marriages were arranged by the parents

    however in the West (and maybe Japan?) adults used to assist the shy kids over the first hurdle.

    Japan needs state funded line dancing.

  104. @ken

    Birth rates were higher in the past so there are previous generations (like the boomers here in North America) that are much higher in number than generations that follow.

    There are currently a lot of elderly people in Japan because birth rates were much higher in the past. So it’s going to be a bit difficult for the next twenty years or so while they die off because a smaller number of people will have to work and pay taxes (worker bees, as you put it) to support them.

    But once they’re gone things will be better because a) there will be more space and resources for everyone and b) the generations will have evened out.

    Japan (and the U.S., U.K. , France, Germany etc.) did just fine with a much smaller population up until fairly recently (100 million in 1968) and they will be again. They just have to ignore the UN types and hold out against importing black and brown people.

    • Replies: @ken
  105. Thim says:
    @Truth

    Oh yes move to Fresno where he cannot afford the outrageous rent. He can join the tens of thousands of other white homeless in central cali. I am sitting in Lodi now. The white homeless are all over the place.

    • Replies: @Truth
  106. notanon says:
    @utu

    The system can go on only if the number of participants is growing

    i agree central banks are the root of the problem and this is what they believe is the solution but they’re wrong.

    sharing out the proceeds of productivity growth between capital and labor increases demand without extra people. they didn’t want to do that (cos short term greed) and instead went with importing more people but in the medium term (after savings, borrowings etc have run out) trying to create more demand by importing more people creates an over supply of labor which eventually leads to reduced demand – as although there are now more people they have less and less disposable income.

    (this is what is happening now)

    not only does central banking create the root problem their attempt at a solution makes it worse.

  107. notanon says:
    @alan2102

    Those populations are shrinking BECAUSE they are advanced and accomplished. It is what advancement — economic, technologic, educational, etc.

    right – so finding the specific cause is the first step in fixing it

  108. notanon says:
    @notanon

    we can’t blame something they always ate

    example 1)
    – bread in the US used to be made with iodide but that has been replaced with bromide, any effect?

    example 2)
    – dairies used to use iodine to disinfect milking equipment so it got into the milk (possibly boosting IQ?) but some places at least switched to using chloride instead, any effect?

    “always ate” is not a refutation if some aspect has changed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Santoculto
  109. @notanon

    African-Americans are used to poverty. But when a middle-class white male loses his house, his job and his car it is probably more of an adjustment.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  110. notanon says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2981010/

    “The Role of Soy Foods in the treatment of menopausal symptoms.”

    The evidence of the efficacy of soy foods in improving menopausal symptoms is limited due to the small number of trials reporting conflicting results.

    limited != zero

  111. @Truth

    Oh Truth, you big gallon jug of negro jizz, you.

    • Replies: @Truth
  112. notanon says:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27389644

    Because it is a hormonally active diet, however, soya can also be endocrine disrupting, suggesting that intake has the potential to cause adverse health effects in certain circumstances, particularly when exposure occurs during development.

    it may be nothing but they didn’t have soy based baby formula in the bronze age.

  113. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    If everybody had 10 children then Japan would have a lot of human resource capital, but not a lot of capital capital because it would all be eaten up.

    Is this actually true?

    Let’s say people go from having 1 child to 10 children, so 10x as many. If the production of a capital good like, say, a hammer is increased 10 fold, the unit cost of the hammer declines.

    You’re describing the old wage-fund doctrine, which claimed that wages are paid out of a fixed stock of money. That’s generally no longer maintained. It’s believed that wages are paid out of the future production that the labor creates.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_fund_theory

    In essence, wage–fund doctrine states that workers’ wages are determined by a ratio of capital to the population of available workers…

    John Stuart Mill’s Principles of Political Economy, published in 1848, provides the definitive treatment of Wage-Fund Doctrine. Mill’s solution to increasing the wage rate above subsistence level is to control the growth of the population. If population grew faster than the growth of capital, wages would fall. If wages fell below subsistence levels, population would decrease from disease and starvation.

    • Replies: @Sean
  114. bomag says:
    @alan2102

    That will happen in this century in Africa and the Middle East (the areas of highest remaining fertility), as China succeeds in developing those areas and bringing them into the greater Eurasian zone of trade and advancement.

    Still, when the smoke clears, those who remain won’t be known for much of high culture.

  115. Modern capitalism seems to be killing every people that embraces capitalism at its last stage.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  116. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/how-beate-sirota-gordon-helped-japan-draft-its-constitution/6569764

    So how did a 22-year-old woman of Jewish Ukrainian heritage end up working on General Douglas MacArthur’s committee, recommending that Japan adopt constitutional protections for women that didn’t even exist in America?

    ‘She also observed the differences between her own household and what she saw in other Japanese children’s homes. What she saw in Japanese children’s homes were mothers who walked six feet behind their husband, who prepared dinner for their husbands and then left the room so their husbands could spend time with their business colleagues and friends.

    ‘She saw the distress of women who wanted divorce, who could not inherit property, who could not [have] custody of their children in the event of divorce, et cetera.

    Equal rights for husband and wife

    Pulvers says Sirota Gordon was taken under the wing of Lieutenant Colonel Charles Kades, who led the process of drafting the constitution—a process he and his staff achieved in just 10 days.

    ‘He was a remarkable man and largely responsible for mentoring her role in the drafting of article 24,’ he says.

    ‘He was also Jewish, he was from New York, and he was a New Deal lawyer, so he was a bit adrift among the right-wing and in some senses fanatics who had attached themselves to MacArthur.

    ‘Lieutenant Colonel Charles Kades saw in her someone who could be very helpful.’

    Sirota Gordon was assigned to work on the parts of the constitution devoted to civil rights, and drafted the language guaranteeing the equal rights of husband and wife, and that ‘all laws shall be enacted from the standpoint of individual dignity and the essential equality of the sexes’.

    • Replies: @anon
  117. Truth says:
    @Thim

    Maybe you should move to Milwaukee then.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  118. @Sergey Krieger

    That is because the middle-class is phased out of it. In this day and age the owners of production (corporations, 1%) well and truly own everything.

    There is no need for a middle-man with Amazon and the end of the brick and mortar business.

    So technology is reverting society to the feudal days of landless serfs and land-owning oligarchs and unlike the middle ages no middle class will form from traders because the middle-man is redundant.

    That is why there are so many homeless people in developed countries. They are simply a no-purchase in the economy and those with money have priced the rest of society out. It really comes down to the age-old reality of landowners vs landless.

    • Replies: @bomag
  119. Truth says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What % of their salaries will the robots pay in taxes? To which schools will they send their robot babies?

  120. Truth says:
    @daniel le mouche

    Hey, I’m just asking, Moocher.

  121. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nawyr

    lol @ straight line graph for male education and bell for women.

    It’s great how much truth can be expressed in a few coloured dots.

  122. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    They tell us that we need immigrants to pay our pensions but neglect to mention that those same immigrants will someday need someone to pay for their pensions too, so unsustainable immigration for eternity it is then?

    The only way around this is to do what the Gulf states do. Let them work for as long as they’re useful and then send them back home.

    This works ok for the employer states but it’s a massive tax on the already poor employee states, like Bangladesh.

  123. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    (it certainly shouldn’t be inviting wretched Bangladeshis in the land of Shinto to corrupt it with secondhand Islam)!

    Ya. These banglas are really stupid. They’re useful as employees at first because they’ll do hard, dirty, and dangerous work without complaining. Later, if there are too many Banglas, a community forms which functions as an unofficial union and allows them to pick and choose a lot more. Even as foreign workers go, they’re really not the brightest or most trustworthy. Myanmar are a lot more intelligent, detail-oriented and respectful, while Nepalese are not smart but they are very straightforward and honest. Vietnamese can be good employees, but watch out when the men get drunk. Indonesian men are generally useless but the women are great at factory work and food service.

    Source: Employing foreign workers in Malaysia.

  124. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    example 1)
    – bread in the US used to be made with iodide but that has been replaced with bromide, any effect?

    Iodide is a useful mineral that prevents thyroid problems, whereas bromide is a sexual suppressant. Depending on the amounts, this could be substantial.

    example 2)
    – dairies used to use iodine to disinfect milking equipment so it got into the milk (possibly boosting IQ?) but some places at least switched to using chloride instead, any effect?

    You mean chlorine, not chloride. It’s hard to know effects to expect. Chlorine could continue it’s life as hypochlorite or hypochlorous acid (depending on pH) whereas Iodine chemistry is mostly unknown to me.

  125. anon[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    So how did a 22-year-old woman of Jewish Ukrainian heritage end up working on General Douglas MacArthur’s committee, recommending that Japan adopt constitutional protections for women that didn’t even exist in America?

    they like sticking their nose in everyone else’s business

  126. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    I think workers’ wages are determined by the supply of workers. Scarce workers lead to higher wages and increased productivity as new technology is invested by business so it can keep costs down leads to massive increases in productivity that human workers cannot compete with. If you have a high birthrate (or immigration) there is no incentive to create new technology and productivity stalls. The capital to invest comes from Japanese children’s inherited wealth from their parents. More children is less capital to invest. Japan has the capital to invest in new technology and as a result their increases in productivity are real. America’s is running on shareholder value and immigration, they will fall behind the Japanese, who are going to get richer. Much richer. The productivity gains from automation will be vast

    Siberia’s natural resources are going to need technology to exploit, Japan is ideally placed, because Russia is not going to get into bed with China. Someone scoffed at Japan invading China again, but if they did it would be men against machines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/20/robots-are-not-destroying-jobs-but-they-are-hollow-out-the-middle-class

    In the modern economy, the jobs that are prized tend to be the ones that involve skills such as logic. Those that are less well-rewarded tend to involve mobility and perception. Robots find logic easy but mobility and perception difficult.

    “It follows,” says Joshi, “that the jobs that AI can easily replicate and replace are those that require recently evolved skills like logic and algebra. They tend to be middle-income jobs. Conversely, the jobs that AI cannot easily replicate are those that rely on the deeply evolved skills like mobility and perception. They tend to be lower-income jobs. Hence, the current wave of technological progress is following scenario 2. AI is hollowing out middle-income jobs and creating lots of lower-income jobs.”

    Recent developments in the labour market suggest this process is already well under way. In both Britain and the US, economists have been trying to explain why it has been possible for jobs to be created without wage inflation picking up. Britain has an unemployment rate of 4.4% but average earnings are rising by just 2.1%. Something similar has happened in the US. The relationship between unemployment and pay – the Phillips curve – appears to have broken down.

    (Elon Musk leads 116 experts calling for outright ban of killer robots)

    But things become a bit easier to understand if the former analysts and machine operators are now being employed as dog walkers and waiting staff. Employment in total might be going up, but with higher-paid jobs being replaced by lower-paid jobs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  127. @eah

    A bunch of white stupid tard who vomit pseudo-philosophy or pseudo-wisdom from extreme left to extreme right and this daddy tra$$hy who ”devoted” his life to build a safe space against homossex…

    Yes, stupid people can ”devote” their entire useless lives for stupid things.

    Manga just ”improved” this pseudo-science with ”soy cause huge organic effects” as if sexual hormones had specific type of food to increase or reduce.

    Try the easier instead jump to conspiratorial, try this.

    Japaneses always eat a lot of soy…
    Japaneses with ”westernization/industrial capitalism” increased their consumption of ”meat”…
    Supposedly japaneses are becoming more androginous…

    How you can prove this without any previous evidence**

  128. @Truth

    Some-one with nickname TRUTH but often it’s not honest with its underlying intention…

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Truth
  129. @Anonymous

    RR blog as refference***

    PLEASE, NO,
    i thought he commited suicide..

    I no have time to read this shit but coming from a guy who are everly divorced from pratical knowledge of correlation and causation AND intellectual honesty.

  130. @notanon

    Homossexuality is similar to blackness in USA, it’s both a statistical minority but geographically well distributed, more for homos and relatively less for blacks, but anyway i’m talking about the % avg. This create the illusion there are more homossexuals than actually have.

    Do you know what is a conjecture*

    Say concretely what you want to mean.

    So, you believe on epigenetics*

    In Brazil, there is a absurd research with non-representative and little sample showing that the % of young people who are atheist and non-heterossexual is around 30%…

    Before to jump to the hypothesis and theories built via research and studies, learn how to study these studies.

  131. Allan says:
    @Linh Dinh

    The population of Japan is more than 120m. There must be one or two among them who are asking questions like ‘how did we land in this dungeon of secular futurism?’. Maybe one of them is neither a reactionary nationalist nor a hard headed communist, so not all blame is being assigned to 19th c. globalists and their Convention of Kanagawa, and other agreements like it. If so, then the Japanese may have a way out of the dungeon.

  132. ken says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Generations even out with 2.1 TFR. If your rate is below that your elderly are always a larger number than your youth. Their TFR has been above 2.0 since the mid 70’s. The Japanese have no interest in leveling out their numbers. They have no interest in having kids.

  133. Che Guava says:
    @Sean

    The U.S.A. already fell behind Japan in several key technologies by the mid-to-late eighties, and reacted with viscious trade war actions, while not regaining the lead in any of those fields, sure had handicapped our efforts by the mid-00s.

    There is much more, but if you are interested, for starting, look at the history of DRAM and DRAM trade wars, also the history of TRON operating system.

    Otherwise, I agree with your thoughts, you can surely do without the floods of both legals and illegals.

    BTW, I was at a trade show on Fri. Iast week, many examples of machines moving parts, one that is very impressive, where they have rotary and linear motors in perfect sync, so the cogs from the rotary spin very fast while the blades on the linear motor just run through without touching.

    Many more, and very impressive, but it is just sophisticated microntrollers with good motor-control systems and fast feedback.

    The few ‘deep-learning’ systems (to identify defects in chip wire bonding, or inside) on show, also interesting.

    In everything but the dramatic high-speed synchronisation, done by microcontrollers set up to control it, humans are far more energy-efficient.

  134. Che Guava says:
    @utu

    Utu,

    I will be re-reading your comment. Doubting it went over my head, but my focus on words. possibly in error.

  135. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Yes, this is the wage-fund theory I mentioned above. Wages are paid out of a fixed pool of capital.

    Obviously it’s more complicated than this. Wages are paid out of production, which also includes production of capital goods. This is why wages today are higher than hunter gatherer times, despite the vast increase in population. With declining population, you also have declining markets and aggregate demand. Future markets and demand justify capital investments today. If you are a businessman considering whether to invest in a new technology or product today that will pay off in 10 years, you have to consider the future market demand. If the market is projected to halve in 10 years, that will affect your investment decision.

    • Replies: @Sean
  136. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/19/basic-income-finland-low-wages-fewer-jobs

    That aspect is not really what I meant to highlight. In my opinion the key factor is now investment in technology for productivity gains. Without halting and reversing immigration, the West is likely to be behind other countries in robots, that means Japan or China is likely to be first with an AI breakthrough that gives them a decisive strategic advantage. The people who come up with a such a breakthrough will become trilllionaires.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. @Bob who is a busy man

    Good point. First you skip the morning job, then the evening job.

  138. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    China of course has a huge population, and Japan’s population is larger than that of most Western countries. If population size and capital investment are inversely related, why do you suppose they will be first?

    I don’t believe that AI and other technological breakthroughs will eliminate labor. Technology increases economic growth and the demand for and value of labor.

    Basic income depends on what funds it. If it’s funded out of something like income taxes, it’s not going to do much to synthesize a market and aggregate demand. It’ll mostly just redistribute consumption. The gains from economic growth tend to accrue disproportionately to things like land, whose owners have done nothing to generate the gains. The basic income has to be funded by taxing things like land, but that is a big political problem.

    • Replies: @Sean
  139. Sean says:

    There is absolutely no question that China deliberately reduced its population. Eammon Fingleton said Japan did too. So they disagreed with your assessment . Less is more.

    I don’t believe that AI and other technological breakthroughs will eliminate labor.

    If every country had immigrants like America does it would take a lot longer longer. It is not a case of if robots can do it cheaper, but when they will be able to. The jobs that will go first will not be things like construction but clerical ones. it will be the jobs that immigrants do that will be the last to go, partly because America has access to docile labour but also because there will be no incentive to develop new technology to replace them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon3333
  140. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    China has a huge population, and Japan’s population is also very large. These are simple facts. There’s nothing to disagree with.

    According to your logic, Robinson Crusoe would have AI by now.

    America with its immigrants has a smaller population than China does.

    Technology does not eliminate the value of labor. It increases the demand for labor by increasing economic growth.

    • Replies: @Sean
  141. bomag says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    That is why there are so many homeless people in developed countries.

    Seems to be more to it. The (corporations; 1%) fund a vast array of welfare and make work jobs to keep the populace content. The homeless seem more a function of depression/substance abuse.

  142. anon3333 says:
    @Sean

    America has access to docile labour but also because there will be no incentive to develop new technology to replace them.

    Its called minimum wage and already has companies seeking ways to replace those workers.

  143. PeterMX says:

    In Tallinn, Estonia (eastern Europe), they have Asian “massage parlor[s]”, but they also have Caucasian prostitutes. I know because I was approached, but I’m not sure how widespread it is. Also, I’m not sure if they were Estonian. I think everyone would be better off, including the girls, if they could find another line of work. I guess you can only employ so many models. But, Tallinn appears to be doing quite well economically. I would not be surprised if it surpasses many western European cities that have been enriched with diversity.

  144. @Truth

    Mental age required trut…

  145. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Technology does not eliminate the value of labor. It increases the demand for labor by increasing economic growth.

    Yeah, in the same way that the internal combustion engine created increased demand for horses. No one is going to pay a human being to do what a machine can do much cheaper. In fact all these Man Fridays are actually stalling productivity (maybe even reversing it under a cloak of shareholder value) by removing the incentives to automate. The lowest level jobs are the one that robots have to be most advanced cutting edge to do. Yes there might be jobs in things like construction and security guards, but the middle class jobs will go and nothing will replace them.

    According to your logic, Robinson Crusoe would have AI by now

    (Evocative to Brits of a certain age because it was only shown in the school summer holidays)

    As you can see, he would have an incentive to create technology. Incentives are important. In the long run AI will lead to Artificial General Intelligence then super-intelligence, and quite possibly (according to Nick Bostrom) nothing unusual will happen— until everyone is suddenly dead. As we all are in the long run. Could be 5 years could be 50.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  146. anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    corrupt it with secondhand Islam

    What, corrupt that godless soulless society of perversion with that darned true monotheism?!!

    Oh, heaven forbid!!

    Lol!!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  147. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    China of course has a huge population,

    Just a minute, I need to consult Piketty’s book;….. right, he says their population was 50% larger than India’s and will be smaller than India’s by 2020, as a result of a deliberate policy. Fingleton says Japan’s declining population is also the result of long standing government policy.

    If population size and capital investment are inversely related, why do you suppose they will be first?

    The strategies are different, a country deliberately limiting population and closing it off to immigration is clearly aiming for some thing very different to American received wisdom.

    The total amount of capital investment is less but look at what it is being forced into.

    Japan Drops Behind China in International Patent Applications

    Japan is feeling pressure from China, but it still has a broad base of companies filing patents. The 13 other Japanese corporations in the top 50 apart from Mitsubishi Electric and Sony are as follows: Panasonic IP Management (15), Fujifilm (19), Denso (20), Sharp (21), Olympus (22), Hitachi (23), NEC (24), Murata Manufacturing (29), Hitachi Automotive Systems (35), Konica Minolta (36), Autonetworks Technologies (41), NTN (46), Kyocera (47)

    The Japanese patents are likely of much better quality because in China filing patents is highly incentivised. The Pentagon is worried about the number of Chinese patents and how fast they are increasing. Since they got bad publicity under Reagan, the Japs prefer to be under the radar financially, technologically and demographically, but the very area that Reagan era controversy was about (aircraft production) is now something Japan has broken into.

    The gains from economic growth tend to accrue disproportionately to things like land

    Ricardo’s theory, right?. He had no way of seeing the technological progress that would invalidate his theory. There is going to be greater inequality, wealth beyond all imagining, but extra people will not be needed.

    https://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2012/09/china-japan-island-dispute-edward-luttwak-logic-of-strategy.html

    One of the most important ramifications of China’s trouble with strategic logic, according to Luttwak, is the manner in which it steers other Asian nations towards alliance with the U.S. Certainly something for the world to watch.

    China has ten times more people, but that does no bother Japan. A war over those uninhabited islands would be men against machines, a massacre of the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  148. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    You’re reiterating Luddite fallacies. Technology increases the marginal product of labor hence the demand for labor. During the period of “creative destruction” and adjustment, jobs are lost and changed. If this is all that you’re saying, I would agree. But if you’re claiming that technology permanently eliminates demand, you’re wrong.

    Perhaps the Andaman Islanders, given all those incentives they have with their low numbers, have been killing intruders with secret death ray technology, rather than with bows and arrows.

  149. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    China and Japan still have very large populations.

    As far as America goes, there’s more to this issue than population numbers, which has been my point all along. If America were importing en masse the equivalent of 18th century yeoman English inventor types, technology would be improving in the US.

    It’s Henry George. The gains from technology hence economic growth disproportionately accrue to real estate. Look at real estate in Silicon Valley, New York, London, etc.

    • Replies: @Sean
  150. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    If America were importing en masse the equivalent of 18th century yeoman English inventor types, technology would be improving in the US.

    I wonder if that would not remove the incentive for such improvement. It seems to me the Japanese robots that are being sold to the Chinese were created in Japan because they decided not to to import people no matter how clever .

    Michael Lind

    The importance of scale is reflected in the fact that a disproportionate number of successful transnational corporations have nearly half of their sales in the home markets of the three most populous capitalist countries—the United States, Japan and Germany. The home market effect helps to explain why Boeing and Airbus are the dominant players in global jetliner construction, and why search engines and social media platforms are dominated by American companies like Google, Amazon and Facebook.

    Also
    https://henrygeorgedevon.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/the-left-and-an-anti-rentier-agenda/

    Well OK. Michael Lind talks a lot of sense: how international politics as practiced by the US can be seen as a desire for maintaining the largest possible bloc and reap economies of scale and extra manpower. He says that is why Germany, Japan and South Korea get away with their mercantilism. However I would note that Germany and Japan have trade surpluses with China, which is presumably permitting that for good reason. Japan can go with China economically, and free ride on America for defence.

    Lind says “Hype about rapid prototyping and “Star Trek replicators” to the contrary, technology is unlikely to eliminate economies of scale in production in the foreseeable future”. More the immediate future I think.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/business/housing-boom-how-long-can-it-last.html

    We are, once again, experiencing one of the greatest housing booms in United States history.

    How long this will last and where it is heading next are impossible to know now.

    But it is time to take notice: My data shows that this is the United States’ third biggest housing boom in the modern era.

    Since February 2012, when the price declines associated with the last financial crisis ended, prices for existing homes in the United States have been rising steadily and enormously. According to the S&P/CoreLogic/Case-Shiller National Home Price Index (which I helped to create) as of September, the prices were 53 percent higher than they were at the bottom of the market in 2012.

    That means, on average, a house that sold for, say, $200,000 in 2012 would bring over $300,000 in September.

    Even after factoring in Consumer Price Index inflation, real existing home prices were up almost 40 percent during that period. That is a substantial increase in less than seven years.

    In fact, based on my data, it amounts to the third strongest national boom in real terms since the Consumer Price Index began in 1913, behind only the explosive run-up in prices that led to the great financial crisis of a decade ago, and one connected with World War II and the great postwar Baby Boom.

  152. Johan says:

    “Is Kawasaki hell?” Crossing the Tama River from Tokyo, I did notice a row of shacks, erected by the homeless, but by the time the train rolled into the station, everything seemed sparklingly modern and sophisticated.

    Pardon me, the size of the population, the density, the sheer ugliness, the concrete, the cars, the vulgarity, the commercialism, the shallowness of a modern city, the robots (disciplined and mind programmed humans) that is hell. Sophisticated, I wouldn’t equate the technological level and the discipline with sophisticated… It is pretty much barbarism kept in check by severe disciplining apparatus, with a sauce of glamour made possible by technology..

  153. @Jeff Stryker

    Yes, and we are much more afraid of unemployment because most of us, unlike most African men in the USA, are trying hard to provide for our children.

  154. @Truth

    Luckily, Milwaukee and Cali aren’t his only choices.

  155. @anonymous

    He didn’t warn against importing monotheists. He warned against importing Muslims. Sound advice.

  156. @Sean

    You seem to be thinking of China in the past. There’s little reason to expect the Japanese to massacre the Chinese today, whether the fight is over islands or anything else.

    Without nukes, Japan either relies on the USA to deter or fight China, or it defers to China or suffers major defeat with large casualties.

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