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Part 1: Tuesday at the Trial: Just the Facts

Lenny Pozner’s defamation suit against Jim Fetzer concluded Tuesday, October 15, day two of the penalty phase of the trial. (Disclaimer: I have been friends with Jim since 2006, and though I don’t always agree with him, I respect his courage and sincerity. It was an honor to have lunch with him on this, the most critical day of the trial.)

Pozner won the first phase last June when the court determined that four of Fetzer’s statements alleging a fake death certificate for Noah Pozner were defamatory; then on September 13 Fetzer was found in contempt of court for sharing images of Pozner’s deposition. Fetzer argues that he shared the images, which the court had deemed confidential, as part of his legal defense research. Fetzer claims the images show that the Lenny Pozner in the deposition is not the same person depicted in at least some previous publicly circulated images of Lenny Pozner.

Pozner asked for one million dollars in damages from Fetzer. The jury’s job was to determine an award amount, which theoretically could range anywhere between zero and one million dollars. After almost four hours of deliberation, the jury returned a verdict of $450,000 in damages.

The penalty phase of the trial began Monday with opening arguments and a lengthy videotaped deposition of a forensic psychologist, who asserted that Pozner suffers from PTSD as a result of Fetzer’s four defamatory statements. The forensic psychologist, who was presumably hired by Pozner’s legal team, predictably supported Pozner’s narrative: After suffering the loss of his son Noah at Sandy Hook, Pozner says, he experienced PTSD for more than a year, only to have his recovery cut short, and his symptoms exacerbated, by his discovery that online Sandy Hook skeptics were claiming that the school shooting was a hoax in which nobody died. Since then, Pozner says, he has been waging an online battle against Sandy Hook skeptics (he calls them “hoaxers”) which has kept him mired in PTSD. Much or most of the suffering he has experienced, Pozner suggests, is the fault of Jim Fetzer, whom Pozner and his lawyers are casting as the kingpin and prime inspiration of the Sandy Hook skeptics’ movement.

Fetzer’s legal team questioned the “Fetzer caused my PTSD” claim. While acknowledging that Pozner would have suffered PTSD from the loss of his son in December 2012, they suggested that it was not entirely Fetzer’s fault that Pozner has been re-traumatizing himself by spending much of his time since 2014 combing the internet for material that he says traumatizes him and trying to get it removed. Fetzer’s team’s cross-examination of the psychologist pointed out that normally PTSD sufferers avoid stimuli that reawaken the trauma.

The afternoon session featured back-to-back testimony from Lenny Pozner and Jim Fetzer, both called to the stand and questioned by the plaintiff’s (Pozner’s) lawyers. In front of a huge, adorable Noah Pozner picture projected on the screen, Lenny Pozner recounted dropping off his son Noah at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012. He described seeing his son’s body at the funeral a few days later. He said that in 2014 he encountered the online claims of Sandy Hook skeptics and tried to engage with them in a cordial and transparent way, but soon began to feel harassed and increasingly upset at their claims that his son Noah had never existed. He said he has persistently tried to get such claims removed from the internet as a way of defending his son.

Below are reconstructions from my notes on Pozner’s testimony. The notes were cut short by a bailiff ordering me to shut down my laptop, since I was not one of the two mainstream journalists who had been approved for electronic devices.

 

Lenny Pozner:

Noah was a twin to my youngest daughter. The last time I saw Noah would have been on the morning of December 14. I dropped my three kids off at the car line.

(At the funeral) his forehead was the only part that was not covered (due to injuries).

I became aware of Mr. Fetzer in mid-2014. (Asked if he had read Jim Fetzer’s edited book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook): No, I haven’t read the book, just the parts about me.

I felt it said a lot of ugly things. I wanted to defend my son. I needed to be his voice. (Answering question): I’m concerned for my safety, my family’s safety. I’m concerned for my children’s future, how they could be treated.

I was concerned someone would do something…something bad.

(Asked why he thought Fetzer’s four defamatory statements had damaged his reputation): It causes people to believe I lied about my son’s death, that my son didn’t die….

(Asked how he has been affected in terms of fearing contact with people):

I’m very cautious about what I reveal…I never know how people might react…people might accuse me of being this villain that Mr. Fetzer portrayed me to be.

(Asked whether he held Jim Fetzer responsible for the criminal acts of Lucy Richards, who left obscene, threatening messages on Pozner’s answering machine):

Lucy Richards was sentenced to prison for making death threats against me. (But why hold Fetzer responsible?) It was the way she said what she said, and the way she talked about Noah, and about me…she accused me of faking my son’s death, hiding my son, that he’s not really dead. Part of her sentence is she’s not supposed to read (Fetzer’s) website.

Jim Fetzer, called to the stand by the plaintiff’s lawyers as a hostile witness, was questioned about his responsibility for the four allegedly defamatory statements, all of which involved claims that the copy of Noah Pozner’s death certificate circulated by Lenny Pozner in 2014 was inauthentic—claims Fetzer still argues were accurate. Fetzer said that he (and in some cases collaborators including co-authors, editors, and publishers) were indeed responsible for publishing those statements, which were not defamatory, but truthful. Dane County Circuit Judge Frank Remington immediately ordered the jury out of the room and admonished Fetzer that the court had already ruled that those statements were defamatory and that no further impugning the findings of the court would be tolerated. When the jury filed back into the courtroom, Judge Remington ordered them to ignore Fetzer’s statement.

Toward late afternoon the defense decided not to call two witnesses, Tony Mead and Kelley Watt, who had traveled from Florida to testify. Both sides offered closing arguments.

Though I missed the closing arguments (I had to pick up my wife after a dental appointment) a friend and colleague who wishes to remain anonymous summarized them for me. What follows is based on what my source, who was present in the courtroom as a spectator, recounted afterward.

Pozner’s attorneys made broad emotional appeals, saying Pozner has experienced pain and suffering due to losing his son and then having the wounds re-opened by his battles with online Sandy Hook skeptics whose ideas, they claim, are derived from Fetzer’s book and web postings.

Fetzer’s attorneys argued more narrowly on two key issues. They asked why the psychologist expert witness who diagnosed Pozner with Fetzer-induced PTSD did not estimate any monetary damages from that PTSD. Nor, in fact, did Pozner or his legal team. No claims were made about the dollar value of any losses in earning ability Pozner may or may not have suffered. There was no claim whatsoever of any loss of income or medical bills.

Fetzer’s team also argued that Pozner’s side had not presented any convincing evidence supporting the claim that Fetzer’s defamatory statements about the death certificate had caused Lucy Richards or any other unstable Sandy Hook skeptic to harass Pozner; no evidence was presented that the harassers even read Fetzer’s defamatory statements, much less acted on them.

Fetzer’s lawyers reminded the jury to set aside their personal feelings and emotions: They shouldn’t decide on the basis of whether they like or dislike Fetzer or agree or disagree with him. Damages are not supposed to be emotional or punitive, Fetzer’s attorneys said, but are only related to actual dollar-value loss (which had not been demonstrated).

The jury retired to consider their verdict. A few hours later, well into the evening, they ordered pizza. A few mainstream journalists, including a New York Times reporter, remained in the courtroom to await the verdict. The jury returned the verdict after about four hours of deliberation:

Jury Awards Sandy Hook Father $450,000 damages for defamation

 

 

Part 2: The Opinion Piece (Assuming We Are Still Allowed to Have Opinions)

Tuesday was the final day of Jim Fetzer’ defense against Lenny Pozner’s libel lawsuit. I attended and published a “just the facts” report that evening (republished with minor changes above). At almost the same moment I published my initial report, the jury came back with a verdict awarding close to half a million dollars to Lenny “Jim Fetzer gave me PTSD” Pozner.

Now it’s time for an opinion piece. And as much as I sympathize with Mr. Pozner, assuming his account is accurate, my opinion is that Jim Fetzer got a raw deal…and that the reverberations of this case will be disastrous unless it is overturned.

The whole courtroom drama was carefully scripted and controlled to ensure that the jury, as well as onlookers and reporters, got to hear only one side of the story. Fetzer was never allowed to present his defense.

Jim Fetzer’s defense is simple: Truth is an absolute defense against libel, and Fetzer published statements alleged by Posner to be libelous because he believed them to be true. What’s more, he still believes them to be true. Whether he is right I do not know. But I do know he is sincere in his beliefs.

I watched Jim Fetzer take the stand, swear to tell “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”—and then watched him silenced and admonished, and the jury hurriedly chased out of the room, when he tried to speak the truth as he saw it. Jim merely said he still believed his “libelous” statements were true. Asserting the contrary would be a lie. Not saying anything would be a lie by omission. So he was admonished and threatened by the court for the sin of not lying on the witness stand!

As I understand it, at no point during the two phases of the trial was Jim Fetzer ever allowed to present to a jury the evidence that led him to believe that Sandy Hook was an Operation Gladio style psy-op (which those who have read Daniel Ganser’s NATO’s Secret Armies know is entirely plausible) and that there was no actual school shooting (which does seem farfetched, but stranger things have happened). How could he present a truth defense without showing the evidence that led him to believe his allegedly libelous statements were in fact truthful?

According to the 7th Amendment of the Constitution:

IN SUITS AT COMMON LAW, WHERE THE VALUE IN CONTROVERSY SHALL EXCEED TWENTY DOLLARS, THE RIGHT OF TRIAL BY JURY SHALL BE PRESERVED…

Yet as I understand it—and perhaps someone can correct me in the comments if I am wrong—Jim Fetzer was never given the right of trial by jury to determine whether he had or had not committed libel. Instead, an obviously biased judge presided over that crucial first phase of the case, denying Jim’s Constitutionally-guaranteed right to a trial by jury. The same judge prevented Jim from presenting his truth defense, which would have entailed giving Jim full scope to present the evidence that led him to believe his statements were truthful and therefore not libelous.

It was only in the second, penalty phase of the trial that a jury was convened. And during that phase, not only was Jim prevented from presenting his truth defense to the jury, he was prohibited from even mentioning it, or from telling the truth about his beliefs.

Meanwhile the Pozner team was allowed to engage in shameless emotional manipulation of the jury. They even projected a huge adorable picture of Noah Pozner on the screen as the backdrop to the crucial back-to-back testimony of Lenny Pozner and Jim Fetzer! (Jim Fetzer, of course, was not allowed to use the big screen to project images that raise questions about the official story of Sandy Hook—images that can be found in Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, but which were, along with all other evidence supporting Fetzer’s truth defense, in essence banned from the courtroom.)

Chilling Effect?

One of the most dangerous repercussions of Pozner-vs.-Fetzer is its potential chilling effect on free speech. The decision awarded more than half a million dollars in “damages” based on the premise that a book presenting an alternative interpretation of a historical event hurt someone’s feelings. There was no tangible connection between the “libelous” statements in the book and any actual damages—loss of income, medical bills, etc. It was all about emotions: “This tearjerking Hollywood-style courtroom spectacle has whipped us into tearful sympathy with Pozner and two minutes of hate for Fetzer. Let’s express our emotions with a damage award.”

Following the court’s logic, if a German-American’s feelings are hurt by a book portraying Germans as villains in World War II, why not sue the author for libel and ban the book? Why not drag the author into court—and refuse to allow him to present the reasons he thinks his anti-German interpretation of World War II is truthful? Of course that would never happen, since popular prejudices are in sync with hatred of Germany’s mythic villainy; the court would find ways to rig the process to support the popular prejudice.

So how about these more plausible examples: African-American plaintiffs sue publishers for hurting their feelings by publishing 19th-century texts that include libelous portrayals of blacks; the grandson of Lyndon Johnson sues authors who have hurt his feelings by arguing that LBJ participated in the JFK assassination coup; a father who lost a son in Iraq sues an antiwar author for hurting his feelings by asserting that the invasion of Iraq was a criminal war based on lies and that his dead son was a war criminal.

One can imagine an almost infinite number of possible “libel” cases along these lines. And while only a few are likely to actually happen, that is a few too many—because the chilling effect of such lawsuits will terrorize authors and publishers into avoiding controversial or unpopular historiography. This is precisely what the Bill of Rights, whose purpose is to protect controversial and disturbing speech about matters of public import, is supposed to prevent.

I have had my differences with Jim Fetzer on many issues, including Sandy Hook. Specifically, I think we should be very careful about asserting or insinuating “nobody died” theories about suspected false flag events, for reasons that should by now be obvious.

But this is bigger than Jim Fetzer and Sandy Hook. This is about saving the Bill of Rights, which is under attack today as never before. Regardless of whether Jim is right or wrong about Sandy Hook, regardless of how mistaken some of his approaches may have been, the outcome of Pozner v. Fetzer presents a clear and present danger to freedom of expression in the United States.

The process of Pozner v. Fetzer appears to have been rigged precisely for the purpose of engineering this controlled demolition of our Constitutional rights. It must be appealed and overturned.

CONTRIBUTE TO JIM FETZER’S LEGAL DEFENSE FUND

 
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  1. Of course that would never happen, since popular prejudices are in sync with hatred of Germany’s mythic villainy; the court would find ways to rig the process to support the popular prejudice.

    Yeah, you can really see how all that Germanophobic anti-German “propaganda” is having its intended effect.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-22624104

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
  2. The lesson is that jews are always right and the goyim are always wrong…..
    and the goyim must pay….and pay……and pay…….

    • Agree: jsigur, DESERT FOX
  3. “The process of Pozner v. Fetzer appears to have been rigged precisely for the purpose of engineering this controlled demolition of our Constitutional rights. ”

    Probably not for that purpose. It’s more likely that the process was rigged for the purpose of saving the narrative of Sandy Hoax. After all, our constitutionally protected rights were removed long ago.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Whitewolf
  4. @Reality Cheque

    I have to laugh at the absurdity of a person who attempts to mock the use of propaganda by linking to the site of one of the greatest and most successful propaganda outfits of all time, the BBC. You have severely underestimated the readers of The Unz Review if you thought that that would fly.

    I looked at your short comment history and see that you’ve managed to destroy your own credibility in just very few comments. Thanks for that.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Reality Cheque
    , @Anon
  5. Wouldn’t it have been simple to disprove Fetzer’s claims by having the boy’s body exhumed under court supervision, taking a DNA sample, and comparing it to his (Pozner) own?
    Of course there would have to be testimony about the chain of command, i.e. which person(s)) was with the body continually from the time it was retrieved from the school, until it was buried, but that’s another problem.

  6. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    I think we should be very careful about asserting or insinuating

    Otherwise stated: We should censor ourselves.

    Tell us why, Kevin. Because we might be sued, and lose?

    Please do tell us why, even if you’ve already told us, tell us again. Specifically.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  7. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Only the boy’s forehead was visible in the casket? Come now. How did Pozner even know it was his son? And if it was his son, how did he know he was dead?

    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
  8. Richard B says:

    “Fetzer caused my PTSD”

    Since no one has been able to trace a neural path from stimulus to response it would impossible to prove this claim.

    So, it’s a false claim.

    Bluntly, its a false claim masquerading as an absolute fact.

    Lot of that going around these days.

    Schools were never intended to moralize a wicked world, but to impart knowledge and remove ignorance by teaching, through example and precept, the intellectual skills of rigorous thinking, consistent reasoning, and cautious judgment.

    But the people who replaced Critical Thinking with Critical Theory, the same people who replaced Education with Indoctrination, are the same people using their control of the legal system to force everyone to believe their lies.

    When people refuse to believe their lies they do the Zio Waltz,

    Victimize – Blame Victim – Play Victim.

    The one bright spot in all of this is that there’s a new kid in town who not only likes to blame their victims, but also has the power to effectuate the exact same inssane demand to be

    placed above criticism
    loved unconditionally
    and
    blindly obeyed.

    China.

    Looks like the Chosen have finally met their match.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Kratoklastes
  9. rm says:

    If deepsnake is going to go to the trouble of scripting SandyHook
    It is going to go to the trouble of defending the narrative in court against the loudest opponent of it.

  10. Doesn’t James Fetzer know after years in academia it’s a crime or at very least a tort to hurt a Jew’s feelings?

    • Replies: @jsigur
  11. @Richard B

    “Schools were never intended to moralize a wicked world, but to impart knowledge and remove ignorance by teaching, through example and precept, the intellectual skills of rigorous thinking, consistent reasoning, and cautious judgment.”
    Of course, the above was always part of the play book. But, especially in the beginning, schools had the important functions –
    1. Keep all those little bastards off the streets.
    2. Bound into them a respect for authority — that is, to create useful factory fodder (& cannon fodder too, if the need arose)

  12. I’ve never really been comfortable with “truth” as an absolute defence in libel claims. The finding of truth should be a defence conditioned upon the intent of the expression of that truth. If the clear intent of such an expression was to damage a person’s reputation or to cause pain, financial lose etc, these findings should have some bearing on a “truth” defence.

  13. getaclue says:

    The Judges in the USA have been beyond corrupt now for decades, Federal Judges act like tyrants by and large, if you have never been in a Federal Courtroom go down and check one out and see for yourself how it runs and how arrogant the Judge is — see if you feel any “little people” have any rights whatsoever there, guarantee you won’t get that feeling– few people not “in the system” know that they routinely strike the defense of the Defendant as seen here, they “shape” the case based on not allowing certain valid arguments and evidence so that there is zero chance of any result other than the one they want….– Juries are misled as to penalties and not allowed to know them in criminal trials–Prosecutors are allowed to lie and frame people and FBI agents do so on an ongoing basis with impunity, some of the top Federal Prosecutors have actually been caught in Court fabricating evidence and framing people yet they are not disbarred or punished –the FBI Crime Lab was caught framing people/making up evidence and test results and testimony, including in death row cases, for decades and most people are clueless about it, it was a proven fact no dispute they were doing this– basically the Lab determined what the FBI Agent needed and then just “found” it and wrote it up–total fabrications. Citizens who go to trial and don’t cop a plea are severely penalized for doing so as Judges only care about “moving” cases and trials slow that down– so they do all they can to discourage people exercising their supposed Constitutional Rights. Go to trial, lose, get slammed. Honest lawyers explain this concept and people first exposed to it are in disbelief but that is how it works.

    Federal Prosecutors overcharge and ignore ethical constraints as to same– knowing even if Juries believe someone is innocent if there are enough charges they will “give” the Prosecution “one”–not knowing all of them have up to 20 year sentences attached, you can’t lose one of the stacked charges or you are done for life –Leftist NWO Activist “Judge” Berman, sits on the Roger Stone case and Manafort, is assigned case after case the Leftist Deep State wants to see go a certain way–ruling Nuns had to give birth control out against religious convictions and all the rest of the satanic NWO agenda like so many of the other globohomo activists in black robes, putting Manafort into jail conditions no rapist murderer even receives for a tax evasion case the Feds previously took a pass on and foreign agents case that Podesta was allowed to “amend” and escape, this is now “justice” with him serving nearly a decade while others not targeted walk. If you want to know the poster boy for the creepy system think Rosenstein. That creep was the head of the Justice Department basically. Think about that.

    The problem is unless you come into contact with “the System” most people are just utterly clueless that the entire thing is a total stinking mass of corruption at almost every level–the criminals are sitting on the bench and working at the FBI these days. Lawyers won’t talk about it because they are all trying to cash in on it and are fearful of retaliation by Judges, who do in fact retaliate all the time against any who stand up for their rights. Currying favor with Judges is a side specialty of many unethical lawyers– who gig people on behalf of their “buddies”. The USA is basically what the Soviet Union was in very large part and moving closer daily as all Free Speech is effectively ended by the Tech Companies who were funded in start up money by the CIA in large part and are basically nothing more than an adjunct to the permanent National Security State. The Globalist NWO Globohomo Media is in large part responsible for aiding and abetting all of this of course– led by the Racist NYSlimes a bastion of fraud and lying….

    • Agree: anarchyst
  14. Logan says:
    @getaclue

    the Tech Companies who were funded in start up money by the CIA in large part

    Now, that there is really funny.

    The CIA has never been able to find its ass with both hands, but somehow foresaw the future importance of Big Tech and sought out these guys working in their mom’s garage to finance them.

  15. @getaclue

    Commenter ‘getaclue’ above is correct … There is nothing really ‘new’ or ‘recent’ about massive injustices in the USA legal system … except that now these things are happening more often to white people, not just to railroaded blacks & minorities, whose complaints for decades have fallen on deaf ears, even though scams like divorce lawyer asset stealing against whites too, have been going on for more than a generation

    US federal and even Supreme Court judges end up murdered or dead after not co-operating with the oligarchy, and this message seems to be understood by US judges

    Yes, this Fetzer ‘trial’ seems to be an obvious corrupt stitch-up, a fake ‘legal proceeding’ to declare that evidence of a different view, should be ignored … ‘It was judged by a court!’ ha ha

    With no jury allowed for the first phase of the ‘trial’ in which Fetzer was declared unilaterally by a biased judge, to be speaking falsely

    A US judge who may fear getting murdered, like US Federal Judge John Roll was shot dead on the street in 2011 after ruling against the government … or how US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was found dead in 2016 with a pillow over his face ‘no autopsy’, after Scalia ruled against the government

    And then, when a jury was called only to discuss Jim Fetzer’s ‘penalty’, Fetzer was not allowed to speak of the proof of his innocence, the jury sent away from the room, and Fetzer threatened with ‘contempt of court’ jailing for saying he was innocent … This sort of thing happens all the time

    Yet USA people themselves largely still don’t realise their own legal system is NOT like in Hollywood movies

    Whites are now starting to also know what blacks and Latinos have long experienced, and complained about to deaf white ears … the fact that:

    The USA is a land of rigged tribunals, with gangster judges who often ‘order’ that things helpful to the defendant, not be shown or told to the jury, or that no jury at all be allowed

    In theory there is an ‘appeal’ but that is a joke for most people … the USA Supreme Court refuses to even hear arguments in 99% of all cases presented to it

    Stitch-ups and witch-hunts as happened to Jim Fetzer, happen every day in the USA to black and other minority people

    Although there is indeed some crime by minorities … the black or Latino guy, whom they send to jail for the crime, is often not the guy who did it – which is part of why minority crime rates stay high

    Most still tend to treat the jailing of black or Latino ‘criminals’ as legitimate, despite how, whites themselves are often sadistically mauled out of money or property in divorce actions, or business lawsuits by politically-connected parties

    And then we have these kinds of corrupt political bankrupting as is happening to Fetzer … suppression of truth via ‘court-ordered’ financial terror

    Yet whites hang back from the ultimate scary but logical conclusion, that the whole US legal system is rigged and corrupt, and has been that way for a long time

    Whites are more often legally mauled for money, minorities for imprisonment … and so far they haven’t gotten together, in a country where it is rarely allowed to question the legal system itself … Google banning and blocking sites and articles exposing USA legal corruption

    Few people are aware of the US Dept of Justice Inspector General file on judge bribery crimes involving Robert Mueller, which helped shut down Mueller’s Trump-impeachment forays, the file relating how an ex-DOJ employee was nearly murdered by a cabal of US lawyers bribing judges and threatening to kill the key witness to their crimes … threats to kill which Mueller indulged as FBI director, Mueller then collecting a handsome pay-out from one of the law firms involved

    If both whites and minorities could join in confronting, that the legal system has been rigged against them both, by the psychopathic oligarch cabal, that could be a key stage in the healing of USA society

  16. Somebody should add this to the examples on Wikipedia’s Show Trial page. The US has plenty of examples, but none are listed there.

    • Replies: @Bragbag
    , @Reality Cheque
  17. Robjil says:

    Logic was not entered in this trial at all.

    The victim just cried, cried and cried for fake fiat money.

    The accused was not allowed to speak at all.

    This is not a jury system.

    It is a robbery system to steal fake fiat money from people who challenged our Zio rulers.

    We are living in Zion 500 BC and not the 21st century.

    The third temple should be built in Washington at the rate our “jury” system is going. Why Jerusalem? It is happening in the center of the Zio ruled world in Washington. Washington should be the third temple site.

  18. jsigur says:

    Numerous times, the state and its organs have lumped Sandy Hook in the same category as holocaust denial, or 911 false flag claims. It’s hardly surprising that any defense portraying a reality in opposition to official state propaganda would not be allowed
    I would assume that regardless of what the state says is true, the important point is what does Fetzer believe to be true.
    I know defamation suits rarely win if the defendant truly believes his claims but that’s where the importance of “compartmentalization” comes in.
    Logic is valid here, but not valid over there. Americans have long been taught this as being acceptable, if they notice at all.
    Any American that champions the belief that America offers its subjects freedom of speech proves my point. All the enforcer Jews that champion free speech over here but advocate holocaust denial speech to be suppressed or a jail able offense over there further proves my point…..as all this goes over “Joe six packs head” cause he just wants to know when the game starts

  19. jsigur says:
    @Curmudgeon

    no, cause Fetzer would then win the case

  20. jsigur says:
    @Chris in Cackalacky

    I have long told Fetzer’s comment section that trying to change America with what is in power is beyond hopeless. You can move deck chairs and get a better spot to watch America sink to then rise up as a one world state with a boot on the forehead

  21. eah says:

    But this is bigger than Jim Fetzer and Sandy Hook. This is about saving the Bill of Rights, which is under attack today as never before.

    I agree that both the suit and verdicts (re defamatory statements and damages) set a bad precedent, especially when you consider the phony “suffering” (PTSD) claimed by the plaintiff.

    An important question is: re Pozner and the death certificate, exactly what did Fetzer say? — from the NPR defamation verdict link above:

    A Wisconsin judge issued a summary judgment in favor of Pozner in a defamation lawsuit against the authors of a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, a 400-page book purporting a series of false claims, including ideas that the mass shooting was a FEMA drill to promote gun control and that the grieving father had fabricated his son Noah’s death certificate, which is a crime in Connecticut.

    “Mr. Pozner has sought for years to try to get these conspiracy theorists to understand that his son really was a person and that his son really did die and as a last resort we initiated this defamation case,” Pozner’s lawyer, Jake Zimmerman, told NPR.

    The lawsuit focused narrowly on the claim by James Fetzer and Mike Palecek that Pozner had forged or faked the death certificate, though it also alluded to other convoluted theories advanced by Fetzer on his blog, including the theory that Noah was not Pozner’s son.

    Assuming the highlighted parts are true: it seems to me it was possible to dispute the authenticity of the death certificate without claiming Pozner was behind the forgery — if Fetzer did accuse Pozner, then that was a really dumb thing to do — and hopefully he has learned something — would a defamation suit have been possible if Fetzer had only questioned the authenticity of the death certificate and not accused Pozner?

    Note: the statement by Pozner’s lawyer is a non sequitur — it has nothing to do specifically with the death certificate — but it probably reveals something about the wider agenda behind the defamation suit.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  22. @Twodees Partain

    “‘The process of Pozner v. Fetzer appears to have been rigged precisely for the purpose of engineering this controlled demolition of our Constitutional rights.’

    Probably not for that purpose. It’s more likely that the process was rigged for the purpose of saving the narrative of Sandy Hoax. After all, our constitutionally protected rights were removed long ago.”

    On the contrary, no, not ALL of our constitutional rights were removed long ago; we still have some ability to conceive, promulgate and discuss conspiracy theories, especially by way of the internet, and this is what our masters need to stop. They’ve made it quite clear that “conspiracy theories” in general cannot be tolerated:

    https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

    So just like they try to undermine the second amendment by way lawsuits against gun manufacturers, they are apparently trying to undermine the first amendment by way of lawsuits against conspiracy theorists.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  23. I wonder if ground penetrating radar (GPR) can be of use here?

    For example, can GPR images of grave sites containing actual dead bodies buried around the same time that “Noah Pozner” was “buried” be compared with an image of Pozner’s grave site?

    • Replies: @Iris
  24. @Curmudgeon

    “having the boy’s body exhumed under court supervision”

    First, there would have to be a body. The way the trial was conducted, no questioning of the boy’s existence was allowed. The plaintiff brought the suit in order to defend the entire phony narrative, so the procedure had to be constructed to establish that the “mass shooting” was real and no defense could be allowed that questioned the narrative.

    • Replies: @Sean
  25. onebornfree says: • Website

    It seems to me that Mr Fetzer needs a new legal team. [Maybe Robert Barnes? : https://www.barneslawllp.com/ ]

    In my opinion, this case should have been defended from the very beginning on the freedom of speech issue, first via the freedom of speech constitutional rules within the home state of the publisher of the book “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook”, then later [perhaps] at the federal level[1st amendment and all that].

    Even starting a defense from the Federal 1st amendment POV would appear to be “putting the cart before the horse” as far as I can see.

    It needs to be defended first from the POV of the book publishers home state freedom of speech laws as laid out in that states own constitution [wherever that is].

    And if the books publisher has [US] home state constitutional restrictions that prevent free speech in that same state,then that books publisher needs to reincorporate in a more speech friendly jurisdiction, possibly overseas.

    [And to clarify my own bias, I believe that the Sandy Hook story as related by the MSM etc., is a total fraud]

    Regards, onebornfree

  26. Sean says:

    Welch the Pizzagate gunman had an AR15 with him when he terrified families in a restaurant, he only got four years. It seems to me Lucy Richards, a harmless aging eccentric in poor health who got carried away on the internet and made a few empty threats and got a several months in prison is the one who received a relatively heavy sentence, while Feltzer who inspired her in the beliefs she doubled down on merely lost some money, like Alex Jones. Are we expected to give him money to appea, or buy an AR15?

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Kelley Watt
  27. Sean says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Feltzer’s opinion is just another narrative. Talk is cheap, or so he and Alex Jones believed.

  28. @Harold Smith

    I hope you never have to defend your rights in court. That would be a very rude awakening for you.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  29. Mulegino1 says:
    @Logan

    The CIA has never been able to find its ass with both hands, but somehow foresaw the future importance of Big Tech and sought out these guys working in their mom’s garage to finance them.

    Since when have incompetence and control been mutually exclusive in the “American experience”? The CIA has a virtually unlimited budget for which it is never held accountable, so it can exercise its characteristic prodigality in every direction with no consequences. Obviously, some of its cash wastage will stick. Incompetence plus virtually unlimited funding plus an abundance of willing subject proles is bound to create some “positive” results, however marginal they may be. Operation Mockingbird is a good example- the investment of vast resources into the mainstream media to achieve control of the official narrative was not so much the mark of an infallibly clever agency as the mark of a ham handed bunch of incorrigible incompetents with unlimited funds whose malign influence has become impossible to hide or obscure.

    The CIA has always depended upon the lowest common intellectual denominator to achieve its quasi-control of information. A really competent MINITRUE would be light years ahead of the stupid and obviously sycophantic Mockingbird media.

  30. getaclue says:
    @Logan

    Are you are totally clueless or a troll tool spouting everything is a “conspiracy theory” propagandist type? (the CIA invented the term “conspiracy theory”, as an article here by Ron Unz itself documents, to effectively shut up people looking at what they don’t want them looking at using their Mainslime Media assets which they developed in a program called “Operation Mockingbird” long ago–ever here of that? That’s a really “funny” one too. The image of how these tech companies developed is in large part total bs and propaganda. Do even a tiny amount of research before you spout off or keep your propaganda bs elsewhere where people are clueless maybe?:
    https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/25-cutting-edge-companies-funded-by-the-central-intelligence-agency-2012-8#cloudera-helps-organizations-do-large-scale-data-storage-5

    http://www.therealnewsonline.com/our-blogs/facebook-and-its-connections-to-the-cia-and-darpa

    DARPA basically handed “lifelog” off which then became “facebook”–the head of DARPA now works at Facebook:
    https://www.corbettreport.com/the-weird-darpa-facebook-coincidence-you-never-heard-about/
    https://www.wired.com/2016/04/regina-dugan-leaves-google-for-facebook/

    You prove how very effective they are in fact. The CIA “can’t find its ass with both hands”– they would love that one. One of the goals of the CIA is to make people in the general population–useless eaters– think they are ineffective bumblers, “nothing to see here”–they have a massive propaganda budget and post Obama such propaganda can “legally” be aimed at the USA (they did it illegally any way but that change was officially made….)– all that overthrowing of governments worldwide etc. the unlimited multibillion dollar secret budget (and “black budget” from various “operations” which may be larger….), the known involvement in drug trafficking funding them and empowering them– all just bumbling mistakes. They’re really just clueless and “funny”. Ever heard of Operation Gladio? Probably not. That’s a real “funny” one you should learn about. It ran for decades and was never reported. According to you the CIA doesn’t do such things they are too incompetent and “can’t find their ass”? Maybe that description is better as to uninformed tools that believe their propaganda?

    The world is basically ruled by the “Intelligence” Agencies now worldwide. Senator Schumer was quite serious as to their striking back at those who oppose them or their agenda. The fact he actually spouted this out is the remarkable thing–generally such is not said also out of the same fear….: https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/schumer-intelligence-agencies-have-six-ways-from-sunday-of-getting-back-at-you/ — we are currently seeing an unnamed CIA “whistleblower” (which he isn’t he’s a spy) try and take down the President of the USA working with their assets in Congress. The amount of blackmail they have on people?

    Operation Gladio was/is a fact and most are clueless about it. The funding of the Tech Companies and their involvement with the CIA we now know some of but no doubt one day it will be seen as just the tip of the iceberg as happened with Operation Gladio and other CIA projects which only became known decades after they were operational. We are seeing Gladio style work now in operation in the USA it seems and big tech censorship is enabling it– “funny” that….: https://www.wanttoknow.info/ia/operation-gladio-false-flag
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/
    This book is well worth reading to get a clue as to what is and has been going on: https://www.amazon.com/CIA-Organized-Crime-Illegal-Operations/dp/0997287012 Please “getaclue”.

  31. Mulegino1 says:

    There are “official narratives” and there is the “Official Narrative”, i.e., the seamless garment created by MINITRUE which must not be doubted, contradicted or questioned.

    The former narratives are part of the one big legend which brooks no dissent, criticism or questioning.

    The Holohoax, 9/11, the Seal Team execution of Bin Laden, Sandy Hook, and innumerable other media created events are indispensable pillars in the edifice of lies that forms the kosher world view of the Dumbmerican proles and allows for their protean manipulation. Questioning any of these official narratives is perceived as a threat; applying critical thought and the rules of evidence to all of them is a virtual capital offense in the minds of the so called “elites.”

    A real trial, in Fetzer’s case, ought to involve the truth or falsehood of his contentions based upon physical or forensic evidence, not a judicial pronuncamiento. But the latter is exactly what the “elites” demand. A very real and absolute deference to the crystalline sensibilities of a small but very powerful and litigious minority holds sway- in the western world-over facts and physical realities, i.e., real evidence.

  32. eah says:
    @Sean

    while Feltzer who inspired her in the beliefs

    And I thought you were tiresome in the thread about Epstein and “Prince Andrew”.

    His name is Fetzer.

    • Replies: @Sean
  33. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Brabantian

    All very well said- thank you.

    In summary, the US “justice” system is a criminal scam, and has nothing to do with the original common law principles.

    Regards, onebornfree

  34. @Twodees Partain

    Are you responding to something I said?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  35. Sean says:
    @eah

    Sorry about the mistake over the name, but in relation to the proper mode of address for Andrew you’re Gayre of Gayre are you?

    I do think that one should try and take in a variety of perspectives, but it would be nice to have some assurance that a thinker is not playing a game and seeing what he can get away with. Fetzer has not paid his dues in that respect. Getting there though. You send him money by all means, I won’t be annoyed.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Iris
  36. eah says:
    @Brabantian

    to railroaded blacks & minorities

    Take a look at the 2018 crime stats recently released by the FBI — then come back and tell us about the ‘railroading of blacks’.

    Blacks, with their massively disproportionate criminality and disastrously miserable school performance, are a tremendous net burden on the US; of that there can be absolutely no doubt — while any individual instance of injustice is regrettable, to claim that the, or a, BIG problem in America is the ‘railroading of blacks’, when compared to the huge overall problems posed by Blacks as evidenced by the important demographic characteristics mentioned above, is really fucking absurd.

  37. eah says:
    @Sean

    I could not be less interested in your/an apology about Fetzer’s name — just try to get it right from now on.

    the proper mode of address for Andrew you’re Gayre of Gayre are you?

    I have no idea what you’re talking about — but as I said, you are tiresome and seem to have little idea yourself.

    Fetzer has not paid his dues in that respect.

    Also here I can only say: WTF?! — do an internet search of his name, especially his videos — whatever you may agree with the causes he espouses or not, you have to respect a man with has apparent dedication to airing the “truth” as he sees it.

  38. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    one of the greatest and most successful propaganda outfits of all time, the BBC

    You are of course right, Nosey.

    It is a historic fact that atrocity propaganda was (sadly) invented in Britain during WW1, culminating in 1915 with the alleged crimes attributed to Germany during her invasion of Belgium.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    , @Anon
  39. Iris says:
    @Harold Smith

    A ground penetrating radar will definitely pick up the change of milieu created by a casket buried in the ground, and will indicate its presence.

    It can tell, however, whether somebody is actually within the casket.

    Detecting a body directly interred in the ground is more difficult, and almost impossible if it has been buried for so long as to “merge” with the soil around it.

  40. Hess says:

    Did y’ think y’ vould expose our kosher 911 hoax and get away with it? Hand over the shekels. Ve vin again. Only ve Silversteins have their cake and eat it too. Dumb goyim.

  41. Iris says:
    @Sean

    Pr James Fetzer is a foremost and one of the most ancient and best known researchers within the JFK truth community.

    Are you American or Israeli?

  42. The nutty professor gets his due.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  43. Saxon says:
    @Iris

    And you just saw atrocity/black propaganda used again just a few days ago, with the edited American shooting range footage being used by a US news network claiming it was from Turks invading Syria, as well as Kurt Eichenwald on twitter using some decades-old natural disaster picture to claim the same.

    The biggest of it all was World War 2 propaganda. Not just against the Germans of course where they had the chutzpah to use pictures of dead Germans (Dresden bombing, executed grunt soldiers etc.) to claim they were murdered Jews etc. but the Japanese, with photos of at the time decades-old outbreak of a disease in China being attributed to the Japanese and their Unit 731.

    • Replies: @Iris
  44. Iris says:
    @Saxon

    The British Deep State plays a leading role on the stage of Global War propaganda, often ahead of the US Deep State.

    Lest not forget the premier role played by British “independent investigative journalism” website Bellingcat in promoting the war on Syria, the aggression on the Donbass (including the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17), the war on Yemen, and the cock-and-bull Skripal poisoning story.

  45. CMC says:

    Dear Mr. Barrett,

    Do you know if the judge issued a written decision on liability?

  46. @Thomas Potter

    Even if he were a “nutty professor”, the court ruling seems to be that any and all “nutty professors” can be bankrupted if they offend someone, anyone.

    The decision is the equivalent of a negative social credit score for the man.

    It could happen to anyone. All of us have offended someone and have people who don’t like us.

    It could happen to you. I am sure you have offended someone and have people who don’t like you.

    This will have a strong chilling effect on all sorts of speech and writing.

    If you are not scared you are not paying attention.

  47. @NoseytheDuke

    Which propaganda exactly are you disputing? That Germany, along with Canada, is one of the highest rated countries in the world? Or that Israel, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea are rated near the bottom?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  48. Robjil says:
    @Reality Cheque

    Germany rated as good is OK. Germany is an outstanding nation, it pulled it self up from attacks from the US, Britain and the Soviet Union. One fourth of her territory taken from her, expelling fifteen million. Millions of civilians died from Allied firebombing of 131 cities, many more died from the expelling and a million or more soldiers died in fields under US control.

    All of humanity sees through the brainwashing to hate Germans that is endlessly drilled into us by our Zion MSM since 1945. That Germany rates number one in the world is good indication that humanity can see through BS after all. Germany is doing one very wrong thing. It has no choice because it is still a captive nation. That is its five year imprisonment laws for questioning the details of the Big H. It is barbaric.

    It would not be so bad if it was only for German citizens. The Schaefers, brother and sister, Canadians were imprisoned for this barbaric law.

    Canada also has problems. It kidnapped a Chinese women for the US’s agenda against Huawei.

    Israel was the lowest with North Korea. It is amazing with all the MSM covering for Israel that people still saw through the BS for Israel.

    Russia and China are both doing a lot of good in the world. They both have a problem with western MSM endlessly demonizing both of them. Their numbers were not so low. Many people are aware of the good that they do. Western MSM lies did not get everyone.

  49. @Jett Rucker

    It isn’t just the possibility of getting sued that should make us cautious about “nobody died” assertions. It’s the PR nightmare. The “nobody died” approach has handed the MSM the ultimate weapon in its anti-conspiracy-theory campaign: Depict all “conspiracy theorists” as insensitive louts who enjoy torturing poor grieving parents.

    My colleagues in the Veterans Today editorial department think the bad guys dangled fabricated “nobody died” clues to lure people like Jim Fetzer down the wrong rabbit hole in order to discredit and take down all “conspiracy theorists.” Now THAT’S a conspiracy theory! And it might well be true.

  50. Did people die at Sandy Hook or not? If they did, then writing a book claiming that they didn’t is going to be claim based on a lie.

    This case does not have a damn thing to do with the 1st amendment anymore than yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire, has to do with the 1st amendment.

    When you are writing a contract, you don’t get to lie about the product you are selling or the work you will be doing, without facing the prospect of being sued if the lie harms the other party.

    Defamation law has been around since the Constitution (actually before because it was part of the British common law).

    There is nothing remotely unique about this case.

    It may be that $450,000 in damages is excessive. If the trial court thinks it is, the trial court has the option of remittitur. If the appellate court thinks it is excessive, then it can order a reduction in the amount.

  51. @Harold Smith

    You’re easily confused, aren’t you? Never mind.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  52. Iris says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    It may be that $450,000 in damages is excessive.

    It certainly is.

    In Europe, wealthy media get fined 1/2oth of that amount for much more serious breaches of privacy.
    Rupert Murdoch’s press empire hacking the voicemail of a murdered little girl, and the medical file of a PM’s child comes to mind.

    The punishment being so excessive proves it is not justice, but politically-motivated vendetta.

    One wish the US Justice system could be as bold dealing with Ghislaine Maxwell. Haven’t all the children she abused suffered of PTSD too?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  53. Robjil says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Evidence wasn’t allowed to be heard.

    So it wasn’t a trial.

    It was a ”

    give me money with no evidence

    ” game.

    It is like a religious play and not a trial.

    Religion can’t be studied or examined. It is just believed like this

    No evidence allowed

    game show aka trial style for our Zion 500 BC Theocracy.

    We are obviously not living in the 21st century these days in the west. The west is now a Zion 500 BC Theocracy.

    The big news of day and the only news is the following – Is it

    good for Zion and its people

    , if not then it is garbage.

  54. @eah

    I only claimed that the death certificate was a fabrication, not that Pozner had fabricated it. Plaintiff’s expert had been told (1) that I claimed he had fabricated the death certificate, (2) that I had harassed Pozner; (3) that I had contacted him by telephone, (4) that he had taken a turn for the worse in 2014, and (5) that he had read the chapter of the book in which he was defamed. But none of that was true. (1′) I only claimed the death certificate was a fabrication, not that he had fabricated it. (2′) I had had no contact with Pozner, much less harassed him. (3′) He and I have never had phone communication to this day. (4′) The book was published in 2015, the 2nd edition in 2016, and the fourth of the four allegedly defamatory statements did not appear until 2018. (5′) Had he read the chapter, he could not have believe (1) – (4) and would have known the fourth statement was not even in the book. So this “expert”–who admitted he was basing his diagnosis on what he had been told–had no idea what he was talking about. He submitted that Pozner was recovering from the loss of his son (which was only a temporary state) but that the harm caused by my assertions of fabrication permanently damaged him.

  55. Iris says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I am so, so sorry for what is happening to you, Dr Fetzer.

    You have made great sacrifices, for decades, to bring glimpses of truth to the public. May
    God bless you.

    • Agree: eah, ChuckOrloski
  56. onebornfree says: • Website
    @davidgmillsatty

    davidgmillsatty says: “Did people die at Sandy Hook or not? If they did, writing a book claiming that they didn’t is going to be claim based on a lie. This case does not have a damn thing to do with the 1st amendment “

    Although somewhat predictable, it still saddens me to see that the creator of this very site actually agrees with your half-wit’s line of malformed logic and drivel.

    Let me guess: you’re a “lawyer”.

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @getaclue
  57. getaclue says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Professor Fetzer posted the response I have pasted below in another comment– but it should be posted to your uninformed glib comment so I have done so– the issue here is the Judge allowed no defense to be presented, no evidence of the facts that support the assertions of Professor Fetzer or the thinking behind his actions/writing i.e. NO FAIR TRIAL — as I posted above this is a problem more and more especially in Federal Court.

    Those not involved in “the system” are clueless as to how it has now evolved to work these days. Clueless that in criminal trials the FBI was allowed to fabricate evidence in their “Crime Lab” for years where they just supplied the “findings” the Field Agent wanted and then the Jury listened in rapt attention to the Lab Tech lying because “it’s the FBI just like on TV” (that was propaganda the Bureau itself basically put out….) and convicted people based on the fraudulent Lab “results”. Finally they were caught out cold and had the FBI had to admit this had been going on for decades–not much happened of course– people were framed onto Death Row by it–most citizens are clueless.

    Likewise, Federal Prosecutors have no ethics and are allowed to have none. Some of the top Federal Prosecutors have been caught fabricating evidence, threatening witnesses to commit perjury against others, and framing people– nothing happens to them. Weissman of Mueller fame is one of them. The man, and his associate Federal Prosecutors, has been found to have been totally unethical basically by a Supreme Court opinion reversing the Arthur Anderson case that, due to his malfeasance, destroyed that company and tossed 10,000 people out of work. There are lots of others nearly as bad as him all over the country these days. They stack charges on cases that are weak because they know juries will then give them one of the 20 or more and that is enough–during Obama they shook down Companies and made them pay big $$$ to certain favored Leftist groups financing them thru this scheme–this is not justice it is racketeering by Federal Prosecutors. Federal Judges allow and aid and abet this conduct daily. If Congress was no completely compromised a large amount of Federal Judges would be impeached for their unbelievable illegal activist conduct.

    The amount of corruption that exists there in the Judiciary these days is mind blowing to those who are around “the system” but to those who don’t have direct contact with it they believe otherwise and post comments like yours. Federal Judges being allowed to just strike defenses and basically just state that they’ve decided who the winning side is — completely defeats the right to a jury trial guaranteed in the Constitution and it is what happened to Professor Fetzer. You’re good with that because “people died”– anyone who has honestly looked at Sandy Hook realizes that there is some very high weirdness about it, when I saw the tape of the “Father” who was laughing and yuking it up but then “got into character” and all teary eyed when the News Cameras came on at the podium, not being a complete moron I realized that, yes, something is very off here…. — hopefully you get a taste of sitting in Federal Court some day soon so we can see how much you love it then when the Judge dictates an outcome to the case contrary to you and allows you no day in Court to present your side. Here is Professor Fetzer’s posting elsewhere in the comments:

    “I only claimed that the death certificate was a fabrication, not that Pozner had fabricated it. Plaintiff’s expert had been told (1) that I claimed he had fabricated the death certificate, (2) that I had harassed Pozner; (3) that I had contacted him by telephone, (4) that he had taken a turn for the worse in 2014, and (5) that he had read the chapter of the book in which he was defamed. But none of that was true. (1′) I only claimed the death certificate was a fabrication, not that he had fabricated it. (2′) I had had no contact with Pozner, much less harassed him. (3′) He and I have never had phone communication to this day. (4′) The book was published in 2015, the 2nd edition in 2016, and the fourth of the four allegedly defamatory statements did not appear until 2018. (5′) Had he read the chapter, he could not have believe (1) – (4) and would have known the fourth statement was not even in the book. So this “expert”–who admitted he was basing his diagnosis on what he had been told–had no idea what he was talking about. He submitted that Pozner was recovering from the loss of his son (which was only a temporary state) but that the harm caused by my assertions of fabrication permanently damaged him.”

  58. getaclue says:
    @onebornfree

    Yeah, I saw that too and was somewhat shocked by that also….– I just posted a response to him and Professor Fetzer’s Comment posted elsewhere in answer to him….Hopefully he gets to sit in Federal Court sometime soon and experience what goes on there–then I want to read his “comment”.

  59. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Jim:

    It probably is not any comfort, but you were railroaded to intimidate the rest of us.
    That is why the facts were irrelevant in your case.

    • Agree: Iris
  60. @Twodees Partain

    You’re supposed to be looking at your monitor, not your mirror, as you type your infantile drivel, Chumpy.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  61. utu says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “…to lure people like Jim Fetzer…” – What if he was not lured? What if Fetzer is a part of the conspiracy who does luring others?

  62. Half-Jap says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Roughly speaking, every attorney knows that a summary judgement is appropriate only where there is no reasonable dispute regarding the facts and that the matter is thus appropriately resolved applying the facts to the relevant law(s). The entire case seems almost inherently about how facts are in dispute and must be resolved by presentation of evidence and arguments, the prohibiting of your side’s effectively foreclosing any such resolution.

    Not to suggest that Dr. Fetzer hasn’t read this book, an old book by Paul Craig Roberts and Lawrence Stratton entitled “Tyranny of Good Intentions” is a must read even today, for all those who are interested in how broken the system is.

    And then of course there is the darker dimension that Robert David Steele suggests, which is as stated on his website that linked to the original article: https://phibetaiota.net/2019/10/special-the-legal-lynching-stalinst-show-trial-of-dr-james-fetzer-usmc-by-a-crooked-judge-in-wisconsin/

  63. RoHa says:

    “Assuming We Are Still Allowed to Have Opinions”

    Of course we are allowed to have opinions. As long as they are the right opinions.

  64. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Appeal the judgment, and get a better legal team to do so.

  65. onebornfree says: • Website

    Half-Jap says:“The entire case seems almost inherently about how facts are in dispute and must be resolved by presentation of evidence and arguments, “

    No, facts in dispute are irrelevant , a smoke screen to obfuscate.

    The crucial issue boils down to this :

    does Mr Fetzer have the right, in the US, to believe whatever he wants to believe about the Sandy Hook incident [ie that the Sandy Hook was a state sponsored, staged psyop where no one died], and then, via an independent publisher, to have published those beliefs in book form, for possible profit, or not ?

    Simple.

    Sadly, in “the land of the free” most these days [ including Mr Unz, apparently] will say, “no he does not have that right”.

    Brainwashing, pure and simple – you gotta love it 🙁

    And so it goes…..

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  66. Whitewolf says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Revealing hoax crimes for what they are seriously undermines the ability of the parasite class to push narratives. Once you realize people in government or law enforcement have played along with a hoax crime you are not buying into official narratives anymore. You lose all faith in the Ministry of Truth. A show trial attacking someone who exposed a hoax crime isn’t going to help them though. Their credibility is in the gutter and likely to stay there.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @dimples
  67. anaccount says:

    I hadn’t given SH alternative theories much thought but this verdict makes me curious.

    I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the rate of mass shootings has skyrocketed since Trump was elected. I don’t think the border situation is any coincidence either.

    We’re being punished.

    • Agree: Iris
  68. eah says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Did people die at Sandy Hook or not?

    How does anyone really know? — how does John Q Viewingpublic really know? — in his (bizarre) news conference, Wayne Carver said he didn’t even allow the parents to see their own (allegedly) dead kids; instead he was going to show them fotos — who is the medically authorized person who pronounced all of them dead inside the building? — did a single child receive emergency medical care? — why no foto of a dead Adam Lanza? — how would that be an affront to the parents?

    I have not read the entire book — but it contains a review of events and reasoned arguments, all leading to the conclusion, due to lack of sufficient convincing evidence, that no one died — I have a hard time seeing how something like that can be attacked as defamation, and not be protected speech under the First Amendment.

    And in any case, per news reports on this lawsuit (which I excerpted above), only the claims about the Pozner death certificate were targeted — not the book in general or the larger claim that no one died.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  69. @Kevin Barrett

    But, like, what if nobody actually died?

  70. renfro says:

    This is all ridiculous.

    Pozner made a victim of himself by becoming obsessed with Fetzer Sandy Hook claims.
    He could have ignored it if he thought it was so ludicrous .
    Fetzer also strikers me as a nut case….did he have any proof that no one died?….any suggestion as to where Pozner’s still alive son is? Or did Fetzer just glom onto a good gimmick for a conspiracy book about Sandy Hook.

    The whole thing is stupid.
    What was the next court case….a lawsuit by someone traumatized by watching a horror movie when all he had to do was quit watching?

  71. onebornfree says: • Website
    @utu

    utu says: “What if Fetzer is a part of the conspiracy who does luring others?”

    This just in:

    Its called “individual responsibility”. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe what Fetzer claims. Fetzer cannot “lure”anyone.

    What you chose to believe about Fetzers claims is your choice, your responsibility, and yours alone.

    Get a grip fer chrissakes, and grow up. As with anything else you read, if you believe him or not, its simply a matter of your personal choice.

    No regards, onebornfree

  72. The idea(and fact) that this guy owes hundreds of thousands of dollars for essentially having an offensive opinion on something is repugnant.

  73. eah says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Depict all “conspiracy theorists” as insensitive louts who enjoy torturing poor grieving parents.

    Except the claim that saying “no one died” is “torturing poor grieving parents” should be dismissed by people who really do believe in the First Amendment — it is absurd to suggest that what can and cannot be said should be controlled by how someone might react to it emotionally.

    fabricated “nobody died” clues

    What are those exactly? — these “fabricated ‘nobody died’ clues”? — in the estimation of many, Robbie Parker, speaking on CNN little more than a day after his daughter was (allegedly) shot to death, did not really look like a ‘grieving parent’ — was that one of the “fabricated ‘nobody died’ clues”?

  74. PeterMX says:
    @Reality Cheque

    What a dumb response. Germany was a very beautiful country and is still a beautiful, but I think less so than it used to be. So, people have a good time there. But German people are still reviled around the world because of the hatred and lies of the allies. If they lay on their bellies, beg forgiveness every day and continue to pay billions of dollars annually to the Jews that were supposedly made into lampshades and soap, at least a new war won’t break out against them. But don’t “deny” the holocaust or one might. And don’t dare show a sense of pride in anything prior to 1946. The country that contributed more to western civilization than any other is allowed to celebrate World Cup victories and some other athletes, and that’s it. What a stupid post.

    What is the measurement they use to determoine popularity? Is referring to people as “NAZIS” an indication they are popular? Calling people “racists”, “mass murderers”, people that gassed “millions”, asking a young German girl 18 years old when she visits a foreign country about “Hitler”? Are these signs of popularity?

    I doubt the validity of your BBC article. It was only about 20 years ago that some German teachers in Great Britain noted they were greeted with Nazi salutes by their British students.

  75. Bragbag says:
    @The Alarmist

    As you wished, check out the wikipedia page now!

    • Replies: @eah
    , @The Alarmist
  76. @Mulegino1

    A real trial, in Fetzer’s case, ought to involve the truth or falsehood of his contentions based upon physical or forensic evidence, not a judicial pronuncamiento.

    Won’t take long until they start arresting defense lawyers in their talmudic courts for defending their clients too well. The attorney will be then charged with “denial” of the Official Kosher Narrative(OKN) as it happened with Sylvia Stolz.

    The truth is irrelevant in the “courts”, they only protect OKN, ie the ideology.

    That said, Fetzer pays a fine, which is annoying, but he is atm in no danger to go to jail for heresy, where they could slowly kill him like Horst Maler, who has lost two legs by now.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Robjil
  77. @Kevin Barrett

    The “nobody died” approach has handed the MSM the ultimate weapon in its anti-conspiracy-theory campaign: Depict all “conspiracy theorists” as insensitive louts who enjoy torturing poor grieving parents.

    Hmm. It’s interesting how you (though it’s not only you) miss the key point here. And that is this:

    The Sandy Hook hoax is a case with a certain special characteristic. Most of the (alleged) victims were little children, six or seven years old. The basic problem there is with phony victims in these hoaxes is that you have people with zero life history, except… it is perfectly normal that a six-year-old has about zero life history!

    In some recent private correspondence, somebody asked me whether I was worried that, based on my Betty Ong work, or the more recent article I wrote about a couple of Japanese phony victims something like what happened to Fetzer could be done to me. I answered that I was really quite confident that this would not happen. Why? Because the phony victims I’m writing about are people in their 30’s and 40’s and it’s just too obvious on any close inspection that these are phonies!

    However, again, when the purported victim is a six-year-old child, the same things that are so glaring in the case of (fake) adult victims, are not really suspicious. (Like, of course a six-year-old has no employment history! Of course a six-year-old has no footprint on social media! Etc. etc.)

    It is my considered view that this sort of (alleged) victim, little children, as we have here in the Sandy Hook case is about the only scenario where they could pull this off — I mean, what they did to Fetzer.

    In retrospect, making a big deal out of Sandy Hook, as opposed to the other cases in which the victims are all adults, would seem to be a pretty major blunder. But, well, okay, we’re all human and we all make mistakes. IMHO, the real moral of the story is that truth oriented people have to really stop being such egotistical one-man shows and put our heads together and think things through. One could still fall into traps but the likelihood would be quite a bit lower, I think.

    But, as for this Sandy Hook/Fetzer situation, there is a problem now of drawing the wrong conclusions from this. The problem is not so much pointing out that fake victims are fake (which, IMO, is absolutely necessary!) but rather, choosing your spots carefully, and not choosing a case where the fake victim is a six-year-old child!

    When the fake victim is a 45-year-old, like Betty Ong, then you can be in a much stronger position, like: “Bring it on.” (to quote George W. Bush)

  78. Lol says:
    @animalogic

    Then you’d commit libel if you published facts of me defrauding your family since you’d hurt my prospects of defrauding others. Do you people even think before writing or just put your emotions into words?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  79. @Whitewolf

    Yes, I think you’re right. The way this trial was conducted lays bare the way the regime intends to protect its hoaxes at all costs. Most people will never even hear about this trial, but it won’t go unnoticed completely.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  80. @davidgmillsatty

    “There is nothing remotely unique about this case.”

    Suppression of evidence by a judge, in collusion with plaintiff’s counsel, is routine in federal courts? That’s good to know. Do federal judges also routinely suppress evidence in federal criminal procedures?

  81. @Harold Smith

    That’s rich, coming from someone who can’t even follow an exchange as simple as the one you initiated when you claimed that our rights are secure because we can still post opinions online.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  82. @Iris

    The award to the plaintiff is indeed ridiculously excessive. It could be viewed as a tactic designed to deprive the defendant of the means to appeal the case.

  83. eah says:
    @renfro

    Pozner made a victim of himself by becoming obsessed with Fetzer Sandy Hook claims.

    True — in fact, re Sandy Hook skeptics, from what I have seen Pozner has engaged in an active campaign of confrontation — so he has, in this sense/in effect, ‘traumatized’ himself.

    Fetzer also strikers me as a nut case….did he have any proof that no one died?

    How can he possibly ‘prove’ that no one died? — how much Sandy Hook skeptic material have you read or viewed? — much of it is worth consideration, even thought-provoking, whether you come to the conclusion that “no one died” or not.

    What was the next court case….a lawsuit by someone traumatized by watching a horror movie when all he had to do was quit watching?

    Which is the whole point of questioning the merits of this case.

  84. Mulegino1 says:
    @Germanicus

    Absolutely. In Sylvia Stolz’s case, and in most like hers, the truth was no defense. Factual arguments had no standing; empirical evidence had no validity. The current system is, in many cases, worse than the Inquisition, because that body, at the very least, had a notion of truth that was rooted in objectivity and evidence-however tenuous that may have been in some cases. Even Galileo was allowed to present evidence in his defense; his proofs were deemed insufficient but were not rejected because of “judicial notice.”

    In the west, the Nuremberg Principle of Procrustean “judicial notice” jurisprudence is starting to define the very concept of justice itself.

    • Agree: Iris, Robjil, Daniel Rich
  85. @Twodees Partain

    From truthandshadows.com : “Justice denied : Tsarnaev’s own lawyer ignores evidence that he is innocent of the Boston bombing ” By Craig Mckee “… ” (they )were focused on suppressing any evidence that could have undermined the official story of the bombing …”
    Sheila Casey : ” False flag theater : Boston bombing involves clearly staged carnage .”

  86. Robjil says:
    @Germanicus

    It looks like the beginnings of the OKN ( Offical Kosher Narrative)* as dogma in the US.

    Everyone who go off the OKN trail is in jeopardy to be fined, fired or jailed.

    No lawyer or Fetzer was allowed to defend their case in this OKN trial.

    Sylvia Stolz, defended her big H clients with valid evidence for their findings. She has been in and out of jail on and off over many years for that. She is jail now for it.

    *Your term for this dogma enforcement is a good one. Mad Albright would love it. She thought it was OK that 500000 Iraqi children died from ZUS sanctions. She loves the OKN trail.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  87. Iris says:
    @utu

    What if Fetzer is a part of the conspiracy who does luring others?

    Dr Jim Fetzer edited the very remarkable “Assassination Science: Experts Speak Out on the Death of JFK” in 1998, long before any of us commenting here even knew what the world “dissent” means.

    It is a first class book, based on medical and scientific expertise, and a decisive blow to President Kennedy’s assassination cover-up.

    Your arrogance is saddening.

  88. Parfois1 says:

    Unless you are au fait with the Sandy Hook event, which I vaguely remember, the reader is left in a state of confusion about the case at hand, the issues, facts, applicable laws, evidence, procedural rules and other relevant matters to form an opinion about the defendant’s merits. It is poor advocacy just to rely on the readership’s allegiance to a particular (adverse) view of the state and its judicial arm. And to use the “Stalinist” bete-noire as an allegorical accoutrement makes the article less appealing to the discerning reader. Why the need for an emotional prop to anchor one’s case, exactly as the claimant/prosecutor did against Dr Fetzer?

    It appears to me that the lawyers acting for Dr Fetzer had two strategies for arguably successful defences: (1) that there was no proof of the killings (in other words, the plaintiff has the burden of proof of such facts); (2) that the publishing of the book was not causally related to the harm claimed by the plaintiff and, even if so, the defendant could not (and did not) contemplate such harm at the time of publication and whether there was implied consent (volenti non fit injuria) . Of course, there are other subsidiary issues, namely whether the publication of material of general public interest can be defamatory or whether official declarations (e.g. death certificates) are sufficient proof of events qualifying for judicial notice (taken for granted). As to the defence based on whether the 1st Amendment overrides the duty of care one owes to all potential readers of a book, or only a smaller group, the courts tend to follow the fashion du jour, that is, as elastic as the judges’ feet (paraphrasing the Chancellor’s discretion).

    It appears that Dr Fetzer was the victim of a kangaroo court carrying out an official duty to suppress dissent. But is it not the function of the judiciary to protect the state? The three branches (executive, legislative and judiciary) are the protectors of the secular power regardless what Montesquieu said. The prevailing ideology is the determinant of a court action. BTW, is the plaintiff Jewish? It would fit the regular pattern… one wonders.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  89. Here’s a link to an article about the Sandy Hook “parent”, Reuben Vabner, who calls himself “Lenny Pozner”.

    https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/mona-alexis-pressley-in-solidarity-with-alex-jones-there-was-a-noah-pozner-but-hes-not-the-child-said-to-have-died-at-sandy-hook/

    This is from a year or so back, and regards the way Alex Jones was shut down, but it may also be relevant here.

  90. Mr. Wales says:

    Lenny Pozner should have the right to confront Fetzer. Fetzer is spreading lies on the internet, claiming an incident that took the lives of innocent children, one of these children belonging to Pozner, is a hoax. Fetzer is a loser.

    I know nobody on this site likes Pozner because he is Jewish, but seriously, if it was your kid, wouldn’t you defend his memory too?

    Good job Lenny.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Mr. Wales
  91. eah says:
    @Bragbag

    link

    2019 Trial of James Fetzer (Nobody died at Sandy Hook) for hurting Lenny Pozners feelings.

    “LOL” — thanks bud — let’s see how long it lasts…

  92. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    Twodees Partain says:”Do federal judges also routinely suppress evidence in federal criminal procedures?”

    Unfortunately, yes they do [because most are bought and paid for].

    Regards, onebornfree

  93. onebornfree says: • Website
    @renfro

    renfro says: “What was the next court case….a lawsuit by someone traumatized by watching a horror movie when all he had to do was quit watching?”

    I’m sure that if that has not already happened, it soon will.

    Regards, onebornfree

  94. wholy1 says:

    Another example of magisTRAITOR-dictated INjustice?

  95. I would have caution appealing this in my new n lawyer view.
    An unusual murder case I watched narrated by a DA A father died and his death certificate cause of death way natural causes although unknown, His daughter spent months or years badgering the DA how his wife her mother murdered him telephoning writing daily.
    So just to shut her up he agreed to meet her, She’s banging on how he did it,

    The DA stopped her and said, Their is no case because the death certificate states natural cause of death and unless this certificate states unnatural causes his hands are tied.

    Find the cause of death as unnatural change the death certificate then I will look at the evidence you have.

    She did get to the bottom of it the DA got a murder conviction and completed this woman’s sterling effort.

    The point of the above is when the Judge ruled as he did is like the above,

    The court had a death certificate with good legal standing as indicated in the previous ruling ETC Noah died at Sandy hook the the rest is noise legal wise it’s been ruled.

    The defence used it’s true as a defence so the claiment only needs to produce Noah existed death certificate ETC and that’s it, It’s about the damages.

    I don’t think the judge legal wise was wrong not hearing arguments it’s a hoax like the DA in the above murder case.

    On a personal note The Sandy Hook shooting is riddled with foul play hower if it is a total hoax it’s a N W O state sponsored one so no ifs buts or ands these certificates authentic or not will never be changed or found false.

    Personally I think appealing this is a bad idea.

    Hopefully my 2 cents may help.

  96. @Bragbag

    Don’t see it … they must have scrubbed it already.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @eah
  97. aandrews says:

    I’m curious what on earth his argument could be. The book’s not available at Amazon AND, even though he’s giving it away at his website, download of the free PDF ebook is prevented. A cursory google search provides no mention of the book. Rather strange.

    https://jamesfetzer.org/2018/08/james-fetzer-nobody-died-at-sandy-hook-free-online-pdf/

  98. KenH says:

    One of the most dangerous repercussions of Pozner-vs.-Fetzer is its potential chilling effect on free speech.

    I believe the whole point of (((Pozner))) suing Fetzner for alleged defamation was to set a dangerous legal precedent and provide a blueprint to attack to the first amendment to others who hate it. And those others are almost always Jews.

    I thought two elements in a defamation suit that a plaintiff must prove are a) malice by the defendant and b) financial loss as a result of the supposed defamation. It seems Pozner’s attorney’s didn’t prove or try to prove that Fetzner was guilty of either element but seemed to allege that Fetzner’s good faith efforts to present the truth about Sandy Hook as he saw it based on his research constituted malice.

    But this case isn’t an outlier by any means. Kevin Barrett may be forgetting about the frivolous and still ongoing lawsuit filed against alt-right leaders at Charlottesville (by a Jewish New York law firm) alleging that the speech of said leaders caused the violence that ensued during the rally. The suit should have been tossed but the fact that it was allowed to proceed is proof that the legal system has made up its mind, taken the side of the plaintiffs and will rule against the alt-right leaders.

    So if any white person exercises their first amendment rights and the Jews don’t it then like then they will sue you. This is why if whites were a sane people they would strip Jews and other non-whites of legal rights so they don’t have the legal standing to sue white people. As we’re seeing Jews mostly but also non-whites just use the equal rights we’ve bestowed upon them to make whites unequal.

  99. CMC says:

    Mr. Unz,

    I ask you if the following is correct:

    Barrett’s essay above, in the fact section, states that, ‘[in June] the court determined that four of Fetzer’s statements alleging a fake death certificate for Noah Pozner were defamatory.’ In the essay, the bolded part hyperlinks to an NPR.org story reporting, in relevant part, that, ‘[a] Wisconsin judge issued a summary judgment in favor of Pozner in a defamation lawsuit against the authors’.

    Now, if I’ve quoted that fairly and accurately, and given that Barrett failed to respond to my question above, let me ask you: what do you take Barrett to mean when he writes that, “the court determined [that four statements] were defamatory”? And what do you take the NPR reporter to mean when she writes that, the “judge issued a summary judgment”?

    I submit to you my opinion that one reasonable reading of those accounts is that the judge issued a written decision explaining his legal reasoning. Would you agree?

    Now I’ve read several of your essays Mr. Unz, and I take it you are in favor of clear thinking and firm evidence. Indeed, to that end you are apparently even engaged in a project to preserve and publicize historic documents. My compliments.

    Barrett apparently —according to his own report above, went to the courthouse and attended at least some of the recent damages phase of the civil trial, right? —which is like attending the sentencing phase of a criminal trial, right?

    Consistent with your good works and principles Mr. Unz, can you ask Barrett to help clarify for us how the liability phase was resolved months ago? Was there a decision by the judge explaining the case and the law, applying the law to his findings? And if so, did he pick up a copy?

  100. @Twodees Partain

    The chilling effect on this trial certainly will intimidate people with information that contradicts the “official view” in this matter.

    To be specific–there are dozens of health care first responders (paramedics) in Fairfield County on the day in question who know something was very fishy about the official story. After reading about this trial (which was covered as a major and in some cases lead story by all major media here in CT) they will know _never_ to speak of the matter again.

    So–what do they know. They know that when they heard on the radio that there was a massacre at a school in Newtown they dropped what they were doing and drove to the nearest hospital helipad so they could be flown in to save lives. When they arrived at these locations they were told to stand down–their assistance was not needed.

    Then they waited for the wounded to show up at the local hospitals.

    To their astonishment no wounded children ever arrived.

    They whispered about it then–they will be terrified to discuss it with anyone now.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  101. Republic says:

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/do-americans-live-in-a-false-reality-created-by-orchestrated-events/?highlight=%22sandy+hook%22

    Do Americans Live In A False Reality Created By Orchestrated Events?
    PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS • FEBRUARY 24, 2016

    There are so many anomalies in the Sandy Hook story that it has generated a cottage industry of skeptics. I agree that there are anomalies, but I don’t have the time to study the issue and come to my own conclusion. What I have noticed is that we are not given many good explanations of the anomalies. For example, in this video made from the TV news coverage,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaHtxlSDgbk the video’s creator makes a case that the person who is the grieving father who lost his son is the same person outfitted in SWAT clothes at Sandy Hook following the shooting. The person is identified as a known actor.

    The youtube reference is no longer available, like so many things that disprove the Sandy Hook psyops

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Whitewolf
    , @Anne Lid
  102. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    For the record, are you planning on suicide any time soon?

    There appears to be a lot of that going on these days, much of it involuntary in my estimation.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  103. @animalogic

    Re: “If the clear intent of such an expression (of something truthful) was to damage a person’s reputation or to cause pain, financial lose etc, these findings should have some bearing on a ‘truth’ defence.”

    Let’s apply that approach to Pozner vs. Fetzer. Fetzer believes he is telling the truth about Sandy Hook. He sincerely views himself as a disinterested truth-seeker. He has absolutely no intent to cause any kind of pain or financial loss to Pozner. Whereas Pozner, it could be easily argued, is so angry (perhaps understandably) that he is very much out to cause pain and financial loss to Fetzer.

    So under your standard, even if Pozner is telling the truth (he lost his son, Sandy Hook happened more or less as advertised) he’s potentially guilty of a tort simply for seeking to punish Fetzer for spreading false and defamatory information. Even if Pozner were right in saying “Fetzer, you’re a total asshole for publishing these lies about me, I want to humiliate you and take your money” he would be guilty of a tort, simply for wanting to damage Fetzer, if we set aside the issue of truth.

    Obviously truth is, and must be, an absolute defense against libel. Libel victims must show that the libel they suffered not only was false, but that the perpetrator knew or should have known it was false. My objection to the Pozner-vs.-Fetzer trial was that Fetzer was not given a reasonable opportunity to present his reasons for believing that his allegedly libelous statements were in fact truthful.

    As for those who use truthful information against others in unacceptable ways, that would be harassment, not libel.

  104. onebornfree says: • Website

    Sandy Hook and the Murder of the First Amendment :

    [October 18, 2019 Kurt Nimmo]

    “Let me begin by saying I have no idea what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012.

    However, since 9/11, I have questioned the veracity of many news reports and claims issued by officialdom about terrorism and mass shootings. The government and its media have been caught hundreds of times lying about or twisting news stories, so I believe skepticism is entirely warranted.

    That said, I am now convinced the First Amendment is a dead letter. I have felt that way for some time. Recent events put a capstone on my previous arguments that much of the Bill of Rights is dead. This was recently underscored by the persecution of activist and author Jim Fetzer for writing a book that claims the massacre at Sandy Hook never happened…….”:

    https://ppjg.me/2019/10/18/sandy-hook-and-the-murder-of-the-first-amendment/

    Regards, onebornfree

  105. Jim Fetzer was right, Sandy Hook School was closed in 2008 because of asbestos contamination, and the FBI records for 2012 show no one was murdered in Newtown, Adam Lanza was a created person, who did not exist, there are many more examples that prove it was a deep state ran hoax to terrorize people and promote gun control.

    There are many more examples of deep state hoaxes , such as the Boston Marathon bombing, Las Vegas, San Bernadino , etc., etc., the deep state terrorizes the people with endless false flags!

    • Replies: @Agent76
  106. @The Alarmist

    That page probably has a ‘bot that “cleans up” as soon as an edit takes place. It’s one of the features that makes wikipedia worthless as an information source.

  107. @Brabantian

    now these things are happening more often to white people, not just to railroaded blacks & minorities…

    Whites are now starting to also know what blacks and Latinos have long experienced, and complained about to deaf white ears

    Although there is indeed some crime by minorities … the black or Latino guy, whom they send to jail for the crime, is often not the guy who did it – which is part of why minority crime rates stay high

    So black and Latino guys are the real victims here, eh? Call me crazy, but I can’t help thinking you’re not a Pale Male

    And I guess these guys didn’t get the memo

  108. @Justvisiting

    True. If any of them had the intention of ever speaking out, this case would be a warning to them to keep silent.

    • Replies: @Iris
  109. @CMC

    The Judge in this case never issued an explanation of his legal reasoning. He only issued his decision.

  110. Mulegino1 says:

    All the purveyors of the Sandy Hook official narrative have to do is confront the arguments of the detractors and explain in a logical and coherent fashion the reason for the numerous anomalies surrounding the event. If that were such an effortless task, we would not be faced with these show trials and kangaroo courts.

    Instead, the champions of the official, kosher narrative take refuge in emotional arguments and ad hominems. The same goes for the Holohoax and the 9/11 legend. These events must be reduced, in the public imagination, to their emotional and mythical elements in order to persist as realities in the public imagination. They cannot be reduced to the question of facts or empirical investigation, because these would most likely expose them as largely, or entirely, fake and contrived incidents manufactured by the “elites” acting with entirely ulterior motives.

  111. @RoatanBill

    No, suicide is not an option. My mother took her own life, but that is something that I would never do.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  112. @Brabantian

    There is nothing really ‘new’ or ‘recent’ about massive injustices in the USA legal system … except that now these things are happening more often to white people,

    Beg to differ:
    white people were the victims of the case(s) that formed the template:

    Letters of Rabbi Stephen Wise; ed. Justine Wise Polier and James Waterman Wise (Beacon Press, Boston; 1956. p. 268)

    (London, 1945)
    (To his children)
    [James Waterman Wise & Justine “Pussy” Wise]

    “I will tell you about two talks yesterday by Nahum Goldman and me . . . The [second] talk and lunch were with Justice [Robert] Jackson. He’s a real person. I don’t wonder that Roosevelt began thinking of him as a possible successor. He’s a fine, able man and has grand and spacious ideas on the Nuremberg trials in mid-October, with Weizmann, Goldman or S.S.W. [Stephen S. Wise] as Jewish witnesses to present the Jewish Case–not permitted as Amicus Curiae!

    It itself it becomes the greatest trial in history, with what Jackson calls its broad departure from Anglo-Saxon legal tradition. Retroactively “aggressive war-making” becomes criminally punishable–with membership in the Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation. He seems to think very well of Felix Frankfurter and glorifies Ben Cardozo and Brandeis. Is very hopeful about President Truman, as I continue to be.”

    List the problems

  113. If the fix was in before the case started, what was the judge to do but his part? Why blame the jurist when the whole system is corrupt?

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Harold Smith
  114. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    God bless you, for your efforts to bring out the truth and also God bless Wolfgang Halbig another truth teller in the zionist wilderness of lies!

    Telling the truth in a world of deceit is a revolutionary act – George Orwell

    • Agree: Republic
  115. @KenH

    Glad you brought that up.

    I hadn’t paid much attention to alt-Right; to the extent that I did pre-Charlottesville, I thought Spencer was a jerk (still think so); thought the meeting where member did Sieg Heil salute was funny; had no idea whatsoever what Spencer’s mother’s business in Whitefish, Montana had to do with anything.

    But they are all connected and lead in a direct line to the

    “frivolous and still ongoing lawsuit filed against alt-right leaders at Charlottesville (by a Jewish New York law firm) alleging that the speech of said leaders caused the violence that ensued during the rally. The suit should have been tossed but the fact that it was allowed to proceed is proof that the legal system has made up its mind, taken the side of the plaintiffs and will rule against the alt-right leaders.”

    This Moment magazine article
    After the Cyber Storm
    introduced with a photo of tormented innocence

    together with a C-Spaned conference of the Jewish Council of Public Affairs
    Countering Anti-Semitism, Racism and Xenophobia moderated by director of ADL’s Washington office

    clarified the chain of events, beginning with the Sieg Heil salute, from which Jewish victimhood was manufactured and steps taken to intimidate the “Neo-Nazis” through their relatives, against which alt-Right retaliated, in response to which retaliation the Charlottesville protest rally involving the Saluters were taken down.
    In the C Span video, participants clearly state that ADL has influence in many police forces and in the FBI; and that the goal of the lawsuit is to “crush,” “bankrupt,” dis-organize, and silence those who resist Jewish privilege.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @KenH
  116. CMC says:

    Dear Mr. Fetzer,

    What was the procedural context?

  117. Iris says:
    @Twodees Partain

    If any of them had the intention of ever speaking out, this case would be a warning to them to keep silent.

    A recent biography by a whistleblower who tried to keep and protect critical evidence in President JFK’s assassination well illustrates the corruption and fascistic operation of US Federal Courts, as described by commenter Getaclue in post 13.

    Christopher Fulton purchased artefacts, which had belonged to President JFK, from the inheritance estate of long-time White House personal assistant Evelyn Lincoln.

    Among these items was a Cartier wristwatch that was found covered in mercury, from the frangible bullet shot by a hit man posted at the Grassy Knoll.

    C. Fulton was subpoena and required to hand over all the evidence in his possession. He refused to do so, and sold the watch to JFK Jr instead. JFK Jr was killed shortly afterwards, and C. Fulton indicted under a fabricated tax evasion issue. The FBI court sentenced him to eight years in jail, in absence of any evidence of wrongdoing.

    Fulton’s description of his time in the US Federal prison system is harrowing. It is far, far worst than Dostoyevsky’s or Solzhenitsyn’s personal description of their time in the Russian gulag. It just is full of an unbelievable, otherworldly cruelty.

    Fulton recounts in particular meeting with an incarcerated IT genius who had managed to hack into institutional data networks, finding in the process evidence of fore planning of 9/11.
    The geek never went to trial: a commando of federal guards were sent to his cell one night, and beat him to death, resolving the problem posed by any confession.

    https://cmfulton.com/

    https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/1404defc-1604-46ec-95f9-1b0aa563ce30/d3d51701-936f-41dd-b5a5-72a2de433a19.jpg/:/rs=h:500,cg:true,m

  118. eah says:
    @The Alarmist

    Don’t see what? — follow the link I gave: as of right now, it is still there, just as I excerpted it in comment #93 — sheesh.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  119. Iris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    that the goal of the lawsuit is to “crush,” “bankrupt,” dis-organize, and silence those who resist Jewish privilege.

    The same judicial modus operandi has been applied in France and the UK over the past year, to bring about financial, professional and social ruin of anybody who dare criticising the Zionist yoke strangling Western nations.

    No doubt it is a global instruction.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  120. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Really No Shit

    Really No Shit says:“If the fix was in before the case started, what was the judge to do but his part? “

    He/she is probably CIA, or perhaps CIA “leaned on”. Same goes for “Pozner” et al. Pure scum.

    Regards,onebornfree

  121. Kiel says:

    Slightly off topic, but what is the life expectancy of a crisis actor that’s been outed?

    Any ideas?

    If I were a crisis actor, I’d be more than a little concerned my ’employer’ would be tempted to start cleaning-up loose ends.

    Nobody is more expendable to the leaders of the revolution than the glorious revolutionary.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  122. eah says:

    Albeit there is now obviously legal risk in publishing SH skeptic material, as you can see in the comments here, some people — including me — were troubled by parts/the tenor of parts of this article — a comment from Fetzer’s own web site reflects this criticism nicely –> link:

    I agree with most of Kevin Barrett excellent article. However, I strongly disagree with ” I think we should be very careful about asserting or insinuating “nobody died” theories about suspected false flag events, for reasons that should by now be obvious.” Dr. James Fetzer did not only assert or insinuate “nobody died” he produced a 404 page full color investigative documentation that makes not only a compelling case but I would say an air tight case that Nobody Died At Sandy Hook. Kevin’s disagreement seems counter to his whole article and seems to encourage cowardice and silence in the face of tyranny. When a group of people led by Obama and Eric Holder decide to terrorize America by faking a massacre of children to weaken the 2nd Amendment and then engage in $millions in ongoing charity fraud it is noble, brave and heroic to say the emperor has no cloths and Nobody Died At Sandy Hoax. Dr. Fetzer took the heroic path and Alex Jones did not. Perhaps if Alex Jones had joined forces instead of surrendering, he, James Fetzer and Wolfgang Halbig could have blown this fraud wide open.

  123. “The lawsuit focused narrowly on the claim by James Fetzer and Mike Palecek that Pozner had forged or faked the death certificate” – comment by ‘Eah.’
    Dave Gaherty (Jim Fetzer’s colleague, they co-run Moon Rock Books) wrote to me that “the case should’ve been ruled in our favor, as the death certificate used in the book is different from the death certificate in the legal complaint.” If the Prosecution can’t even produce a consistent death-certificate that sounds a major fiddle. With a proper jury trial Jim would’ve got off.

    • Agree: Iris
  124. onebornfree says: • Website

    [With thanks to Twodees Partain for providing the original link]:

    “….how can both sides of a controversy be presented to the American people when one side is allowed to stand and the other is suppressed? “Lenny” claims he is being harassed, but he means there are some (like me) who won’t accept his version of events.

    When “Lenny” defines “harassment” as disputing his account, why should anyone buy it? Differences of opinion do not normally count as “harassment”, but the mainstream has adopted that approach. “Lenny” even features a gravestone that Dan Cromer and I had shown to have been photoshopped. If “Lenny” had his way, no one would be allowed to consider that many of his claims are provably false.

    Kelly Watt had 100 hours of conversation with “Lenny”, during which she told him she did not believe a word he said, that she did not believe he had a son or that his son had died. As though to convert vice into virtue, in this video, “Lenny” offers glimpses of the document he sent to Kelly, which turns out to be a fabrication, with the bottom half of a real death certificate but top half of a fake.

    Mona Alexis Pressley: In Solidarity with Alex Jones — There was a “Noah Pozner”, but he’s not the child said to have died at Sandy Hook:
    https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/mona-alexis-pressley-in-solidarity-with-alex-jones-there-was-a-noah-pozner-but-hes-not-the-child-said-to-have-died-at-sandy-hook/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  125. The book was excellent. Many vids exposed the Sandy Hook hoax. YouTube has deleted most of them. It was a closed school, FOR YEARS. There were no masses of students or parents. Only about 20 kid actors participating in a drill. However, the crooked judge would not allow all the evidence to be submitted. God will judge all the liars in this drill, eventually. Meanwhile, we are getting like Soviet Russia with fake trials, and no justice. Truth has been destroyed in this case. I hope Jim wins on appeal. Otherwise, the USA is going down the toilet. Of course, considering all the babies murdered since Roe v Wade, maybe the USA deserves to be flushed. Calexit will happen soon with all the illegal immigration. Then New Mexico and Arizona will join that exit. Those 3 will then merge with Mexico. Will liberal Calif gone, the evil Dems will have a harder time getting the White House.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  126. KenH says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Tanya Gersh tried to depict herself as an innocent victim of anti-semitism but the reality is that she’s a demonic, hate filled Jewess whose attempt to harass Sherry Spencer because she didn’t like Richard Spencer’s political worldview, horribly backfired. The white goyim rose up and fought back. In Anglin’s defense, I don’t believe he ever exhorted anyone to make death threats to Gersh or anyone else and some of his followers just took it upon themselves to do so.

    Nevertheless the judge ruled against Anglin in Gersh’s civil suit since his political opinions are offensive to Jewish sensibilities and therefore de facto illegal.

    Notice how it was ok for Gersh to threaten Sherry Spencer with 24/7 protests and harassment in an effort to retaliate for Richard’s pro-white activism and to obtain some real estate on the cheap. But when it she was on the receiving end of what she was planning on dishing out to the innocent mother of a white man whom she hated then she and her media allies act as if she’s the innocent victim of naked anti-semitism and intolerance.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  127. @Iris

    Iris,
    I’d never heard of Fulton’s case; thank you for bringing it to our attention. I read a few pages and it is terrifying how the legal system that is supposed to protect us is used against us.

    Derbyshire’s recent article discusses actions some attempt to take to push back against these injustices —
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/georgia-book-burning-shows-white-students-not-all-pc-whipped-after-all/

    • Replies: @Iris
  128. @eah

    Ah, I see, buried in See Also … I was expecting the USA to have its own section, which ironically would follow Western Europe and precede Nazi Germany in the way things are currently organised.

  129. @davidgmillsatty

    “It may be that $450,000 in damages is excessive.”

    No, it’s right on the money:
    “Sandy Hook circus”=237(FB);
    “Sandy Hook defamation case + $45,000”=237;
    “Sandy Hook defamation case + forty five thousand dollars”=732;

    I wonder why the Lodge insisted on replacing the original (Stephen King’s)
    room #217 with #237 in Stanley Kubrick’s movie “The Shining”.
    Thanks, anyway…

    Without understanding the mentality of those behind events like Sandy Hook,
    September 11, and myriads of similar spread in time and geography, while varying
    in code and caliber, there’s no way to defeat them.
    The “blood and circus” addicts have no lack of funds or people to crash any
    individual resistance based on “conventional” proof, no matter how logical it is.
    If the end to their sick, centuries-long fest ever comes from human brains (rather
    than hands), it has to come in mass with demonstration of established signature
    pathology/obsession of the perpetrators in addition to any conventional proof.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  130. Iris says:
    @utu

    Are you that gullible, a victim of Fetzers of this world or a disinformation agent yourself? Christopher (Scott) Fulton is a fraud!

    That’s really not worth of your high-quality intellect, Utu. I am even more disappointed with you now.

    I have avidly read the 463 pages of Dr Fetzer’s “Assassination Science“, and the 515 pages of C. Fulton’s “The Inheritance“. Both are first-class books about the tragedy and cover-up of President Kennedy’s assassination, written by authors who can be nothing but sincere and committed to JFK’s legacy.

    As endorsement, I will remind you that Dr Fetzer collaborated with Dr Mantik, a scientist who brought up some of the most undeniable and durable evidence of conspiracy, as he proved how JFK skull’s X-rays had been tampered with to fit the Magic Bullet theory.

    As for Christopher Fulton, instead of reading some obscure shill posting on his obscure blog, you should realise that his account has been supported by the likes of Vince Palamara, one of the most respected and ancient JFK researchers:

    https://cmfulton.com/reviews

    The book contains over 100 pages of photos and documents; nobody can make that up.

    https://cmfulton.com/documents-and-photos

  131. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Kiel

    Kiel says:“Slightly off topic, but what is the life expectancy of a crisis actor that’s been outed?Any ideas?”

    They appear to be rotated both nationally and internationally for different psyops, thus lowering the risk of individual exposure. Its a business, literally.

    Nevertheless, close study reveals that some still reappear as different characters [albeit with slightly modified appearance ] at different psyop events in the US.

    For example, there’s one older female that was present at both Sandy Hook and a later psyop [Nevada?] I forget who – others here who keep up with this stuff a little more than I do these days might be able to point you in the right direction].

    Also there are [were?] photos of the clearly identifiable [ in my opinion] alleged child victims of Sandy Hook, all showing up alive at a subsequent basketball game [or some other sports event], somewhere, shortly thereafter. You’d have to do your own research on my claims though, I don’t have time or inclination to re-research this all stuff for the 10 th. time.

    If interested, you might try psyop researcher Ole Dammegards site: https://lightonconspiracies.com/

    regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Kiel
  132. More and more whites are going to fight back and win.

    jews have had it easy up to now, always getting their own way, forcing people to bow down.

    Those days are rapidly coming to an end.

  133. @animalogic

    There should be no libel laws at all. And making “intent” a matter of law relative to speech is not just asking for trouble, it is begging for chaos.

    Everyone should finally admit that speech is just noise (or ink) and is entirely harmless. There is no good reason to interfere with any speech except for direct threat of violence.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  134. Iris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I’d never heard of Fulton’s case; thank you for bringing it to our attention

    Dear Solonto, a broadcast of the an interview of Christopher Fulton by Dr Barrett was posted on the Unz Review:
    https://www.unz.com/audio/christopher-fulton-on-his-ordeal-with-jfk-assassination-evidence/

    This book is extraordinary, an outstanding insight into the JFK conspiracy, as well as into the operation of the US Security State. It is a riveting read, comprising countless, breath-taking, first-hand revelations on the JFK cover-up persisting to the day.

    A must-read for anybody interested in world affairs:

  135. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Dear Mr. Fetzer,

    What was the procedural context?

    (Pardon the repeat.)

  136. The “hoaxers” will always use photos as their “proof”. They did this to Dhzohkar Tsarnaev trial as well, saying “nobody died”.

    It’s a travesty because, like in the case of Tsarnaev, there was a show trial that was all based on emotion and little fact. The “hoaxers”, on the other side, destroyed any means for the real facts to come out.

    Fetzer was one of the “journalists” spreading the hoaxer garbage all over the place which effectively shut down all debate on Tsarnaev. He is now facing death for a crime he did not do.

    Fetzer actually helped the case against Tsarnaev. I don’t in any way trust Barrett either, as nobody with a sane mind would purposely join Islam.

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: eah
    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  137. @John Howard

    Omg, “speech is just noise”????
    Wow, I don’t think so. Entire civilizations are made or broken by words. It’s simple gaslighting to say words are harmless.

    • Replies: @Anon
  138. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @freedom-cat

    I don’t think Howard was commenting about sheep.

  139. Mr. Wales says:
    @Mr. Wales

    Not a troll. Just calling it how I see it.

    Jewish or not, Lenny Pozner has the duty to fight against a guy who is spreading a lie and in the process desecrating the memory of his innocent child.

    It’s not freedom of speech we are talking about here. It’s a form of libel.

  140. Whitewolf says:
    @Republic

    All the good videos exposing hoax crimes get removed these days. At one stage you’d see several posted within hours of any supposed “massacre”.

    • Replies: @Republic
  141. Kiel says:
    @onebornfree

    Agreed, and thank you.

    The question really started rolling around my head when I saw this not too long ago, indicating the REMARKABLE similarities between Adam Lanza and David Hogg:

    http://www.blackdiamondsocialclub.com/single-post/2018/10/14/Is-David-Hogg-also-Adam-Lanza

    Thanks Again,
    Kiel

  142. “I hope they and the people of Newtown don’t have it crash on their head later.” Wayne Carver at 4:08 min. mark.

    Let’s ignore that statement and take the word of a government that covers its limitless corruption under the umbrella of “National Security” and has falsely taken its citizens to war numerous times and killed millions of innocent people.

    • Replies: @eah
  143. eah says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Jim Fetzer, called to the stand by the plaintiff’s lawyers as a hostile witness, was questioned about his responsibility for the four allegedly defamatory statements, all of which involved claims that the copy of Noah Pozner’s death certificate circulated by Lenny Pozner in 2014 was inauthentic—…

    Thanks for the reply Dr Fetzer — but now I am even more confused about the grounds for this lawsuit — if you did not claim Pozner himself forged the death certificate, then how could any of your statements about it be seen as defaming him? — he could have unwittingly circulated it.

    The penalty phase of the trial began Monday with opening arguments and a lengthy videotaped deposition of a forensic psychologist, who asserted that Pozner suffers from PTSD as a result of Fetzer’s four defamatory statements.

    So it seems the suit was specifically about his PTSD (diagnosed by someone paid by the plaintiffs I assume) and how your statements about the death certificate caused it — that is really pathetic — I do not see how any adult could take such nonsense seriously — forgetting any bad legal precedent vis-à-vis free speech, it’s amazing that a court would endorse and then actually reward such contrived emotional fragility — that is an additional terrible precedent.

    Also I don’t understand how a jury which did not hear the verdict phase of the trial could fairly render a judgment in the penalty phase.

    (Aside: My brother is XXXX from California, area code 408 — I believe he is a fairly frequent caller on your programs.)

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  144. @AB_Anonymous

    As Jay Weidner has described in his series about the hidden meanings and symbols contained in the movies of Stanley Kubrick , “The Shining ” contains many references to the fact that Kubrick helped stage and film the faked landing on the moon , and that some have speculated that 237 is a reference to the 237,000 miles being the distance that the moon is from the earth , in fact the distance is over 238,000 miles . Kubrick was fastidious in his approach to making movies and , therefore , it is more likely that 237 is a reference to the hoax worldwide broadcast that the Apollo 11 crew held while allegedly 237,000 kilometers from the earth. (Apollo flight log July 17 , 1969 ) .
    freetofindtruthblogspot.com : ” 33 Sandy Hook conspiracy exposed : the proof is in the numerology ” also see the numerology/gematria which supports the theory that 9/11 was a false flag/staged event/psyop .

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  145. @renfro

    “Fetzer also strikers me as a nut case….did he have any proof that no one died?”

    But how would he (or anyone else) go about actually “proving” that no one died? That would be like trying to prove that there is no life on other planets, or something like that. All Jim Fetzer (or anyone else) can do is observation and reasoning, ultimately arriving at a convincing argument, albeit one based on circumstantial evidence.

    • Replies: @renfro
  146. @Really No Shit

    “If the fix was in before the case started, what was the judge to do but his part? Why blame the jurist when the whole system is corrupt?”

    Why? Very simple: Because the corrupt jurist had a moral choice to do right or wrong, and chose to do wrong. (What is a “corrupt system”? It’s a bunch of corrupt people working together to do evil. If people weren’t willing to personally do evil, there would be no “corrupt system”).

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  147. @eah

    You have it right. The four sentences on which the suit was based only observed that the death certificate was a fabrication, not that Pozner had fabricated it. But their expert, Dr. Lubit, was told that I had claimed he had fabricated the death certificate, that I had denied he had a son, that I had called him and harassed him, none of which was true. This case was an aberration from beginning to end.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  148. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Post his decision. Did he grant a summary judgment?

  149. Republic says:
    @Whitewolf

    It is a good idea to download to your computer any videos and news reports that come up within a few hours of any major incident

    also didn’t one of the “dead” kid appear in another incident at an International school in Pakistan?

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  150. @Mr. Wales

    What reason do you have for thinking we were wrong? I brought together 13 experts, including 6 Ph.D. professors, where we established that the school had been closed by 2008, that there were no students there and that it was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control. One of our contributors, Paul Preston, a school administrator himself, was so disturbed by what he saw being broadcast from Newtown that day that he reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education, all of whom confirmed to him that it had been a drill, that no children had been harmed and that it was done to promote gun control. We even found the FEMA manual for the “mass casualty exercise involving children” and included it as Appendix A. I am stunned that so many are allowing themselves to be played and don’t make the least effort to ascertain the facts before they comment.

    • Replies: @renfro
  151. @davidgmillsatty

    Yes, he granted a summary judgment in favor of the Plaintiff, Pozner, even though the authenticity of the death certificate–the central fact in this case–was in dispute. Not only does it have no file number or state or town certification (where, in CT, not even parents are allowed to have uncertified death certificates) but I had introduced the analyses of two forensic document examiners, who reported that not only was the version published in the book a fabrication but that three other versions that surfaced in the course of discovery were also fabrications, which the Court set aside as “only opinions”. It was stunning to me when he granted the Plaintiff’s motion, because the resolution of disputed facts has to be sent to the jury. I have been told even first year law students are aware that rendering summary judgments when facts remain in dispute violates their legal protocols and denies me due process. It was all the more difficult for me to fashion an Interlocutory appeal because, while he rendered his verdict, he has (to this day) never issued an explanation of the legal reasoning that he had used to justify or to support it.

  152. renfro says:
    @Harold Smith

    All Jim Fetzer (or anyone else) can do is observation and reasoning, ultimately arriving at a convincing argument, albeit one based on circumstantial evidence.

    And what was his circumstantial evidence?

    If he was serious and not just using it as a gimmick to sell books the first thing he should have done was set about finding the ‘undead’ children……or proving they never existed in the first place.

    I haven’t read his book…..where does he say the children are? At a CIA orphanage ?……..where?

    And why would the CIA phony up and or kill a bunch of children in the first place., to what end?…..and why would they use it to ‘get at’ conspiracy theorist’…..they would know it would only generate more conspiracy theories like the CIA using Fetzer to discredit conspiracy theorist.

    As I said all of it is ridiculous.

  153. @Iris

    Thanks. I’m interested in reading that.

  154. @renfro

    This post typifies the level of stupidity that suffocates serious thought in our nation. Dumbfounding! This guy posts even when he has no idea what he is talking about and appears to have made no effort whatsoever to remedy his appalling state of ignorant. It was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control. READ THE BOOK.

    • Agree: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @renfro
  155. @onebornfree

    It also raises a question for me: why would the court allow a suit to be filed by a fictional person; Lenny Pozner? According to Pressley, “Lenny Pozner” isn’t the actual name of this guy, it’s Reuben Vabner. If this is true, will the award go to “Lenny Pozner” or Reuben Vabner?

    If what Pressley wrote is accurate, the court had a fraud perpetrated on it with a lawsuit brought by a fictional character.

  156. Kiel says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    “He submitted that Pozner was recovering from the loss of his son (which was only a temporary state) but that the harm caused by my assertions of fabrication permanently damaged him.”

    Well, in fairness to Pozner (if the details of your assertions are true), he can easily have another fake kid, but restoring the damage to his fake former good name may take a lifetime.

    Who among us wouldn’t be traumatized?

  157. @davidgmillsatty

    I believe that the Judge granted Summary Judgment and then held a jury trial on the amount of damages . As the usual standard for granting summary judgment is to look at the facts in the light most favorable to the defendant (Fetzer ) and the movant (Posner ) must show that there is no genuine issue as to any material fact and that he is entitled to judgment as a matter of law , Jim Fetzer should prevail on appeal , however , I am not optimistic in light of the observations regarding the politics of this case .

  158. eah says:

    Here is a strange aspect of the SH case that does not get enough attention:

    At the link –> link, CT governor Dan Malloy gives a speech on the day of the (alleged) SH school shooting — he says both he and the lieutenant governor were “spoken to” about being prepared for the possibility of “something like this playing itself out in our state” — his statement that day is fairly well known — think about how big the occasion was, and the importance of these remarks.

    At this link –> link, you can watch a SH video by Marty Leeds (‘DEAR WOLFGANG – REVISITING SANDY HOOK’) — move ahead to 39:20 — you again see Malloy’s remarks from 2012 — immediately after, you see Wolfgang Halbig confront Malloy, and ask him specifically about his statement that day in 2012 — watch Malloy’s reaction.

    Malloy has a “deer in the headlights reaction” — you sense he knows he has a problem due to the sensitive nature of what he said that day (ie that he was effectively warned); he doesn’t know what to say — so he denies he ever said that — he denies saying both he and the lieutenant governor were spoken to about the possibility of something like SH happening — he looks uncomfortable telling this lie.

    Some obvious questions that have been asked but never answered: Who told Malloy that something like that (the SH shooting) might happen? — what did he do after getting this info? — did he alert CT school authorities so they could take appropriate action/precautions? — and if he didn’t pass on this warning, are he and the state of CT liable for this failure to act?

    Also: why did no SH parents sue Malloy, the state of CT, or any CT school authority over the SH shooting? — especially considering Malloy stated explicitly that he was warned.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @eah
  159. @Mr. Wales

    I used the Troll tag because there is no Shill tag.

  160. Anne Lid says:
    @Republic

    I remember that video and I am sure that it was two different men, who slightly resembled each other. The SWAT team member had a helmet on that covered his forehead and somewhat his chin. However other videos were disconcerting. Robbie Parker, who was positively upbeat just a day after his daughter’s violent passing. Gene Rosen practicing his lines for the interview. The parents and daughter interview, where the mother is holding the kid’s throat, and the kid looks more angry than scared. And many, many others.
    People just don’t act like those. It really messes with one’s mind: you see and feel in your gut that there is lying, but people around accept it like it is all real and you are the crazy one.

    Mr. Fetzer is a very brave man. I hope that he will not have to pay a penny to that bully Pozner.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  161. Anne Lid says:
    @Republic

    That was Noah Pozner and Snopes said that they merely downloaded his picture as a general victim of school shootings. That was a weird episode.

  162. @9/11 Inside job

    According to Wikipedia the distance between Moon and Earth is 238,900 miles.
    I doubt that someone, as fastidious with numbers as Kubrick was, would round it down
    to 237,000, unless there’s something special about this number by itself.
    Besides, by now I know more than enough about #237 to consider it as one of the
    fundamental numbers in occult, regardless of its presence in Kubrick’s movies
    (try, for example, “Eyes Wide Shut+occult” or “Overlook hotel + occult”).
    For Sandy Hook, 237-wise, there’s something as immutable as “Adam Lanza”, though
    “Sandy Hook defamation case winning award +450 thousand dollars” has its charm
    too, just like “Sandy Hook defamation case + $450,000”.
    And if I start bringing all occult-related properties of #237 it will take pages, and this
    is not a gematria forum. LOL
    Besides, 237 is just a cherry on the top. The alignment code for Sandy Hook is 26/92.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  163. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    The court (judge?) set them aside as “only opinions”? Did he say that to you, or write it down, or what?

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  164. @renfro

    “And what was his circumstantial evidence?”

    So you’re just trying to be “funny” or you really don’t know anything about the subject matter?

  165. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    It was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control. READ THE BOOK

    Well not a stupid as you’d like me to be…..So Let Me Ask Again…..Where Are The Undead Children?……Where Are The Pretend Parents Of The Non Existent Children?
    Does your book answer that? Will you answer that?

    How do we know that you aren’t a NRA lackey paid to write how Sandy Hook was a hoax to go after gun owners?

    I could make a good conspiracy story out of that . But I don’t want you suing me for traumatizing you by harassing you as a hoax…. lol…..so I wont write it.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Troll: Harold Smith
  166. Half-Jap says:
    @onebornfree

    You missed my point but doesn’t matter. The legal process has destroyed itself by granting summary judgment when disputable facts were prevented from being disputed.
    So no, obviously Fetzer’s right has been deprived.

  167. Half-Jap says:
    @renfro

    Ya know, he’s not here to educate your lazy ass. You can be skeptical or zealously orthodox all you’d like, either way, he put out that information, and it is not his job to satisfy one who apparently is not interested in even trying to make an informed critique.
    And the NRA is a joke. Only uninformed lefty folks seem to find them so formidable.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  168. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Malloy has a “deer in the headlights reaction” —

    All kinds of new expressions these days; that one needs to be replaced:

    “Malloy has a “Bush reading My Pet Goat reaction.”

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    re #93: time stamp = This page was last edited on 19 October 2019, at 10:41 (UTC).

  169. Half-Jap says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    All of which are facts in dispute. Such obviously fucked up summary judgment.

  170. Iris says:
    @renfro

    How do we know that you aren’t a NRA lackey paid to write how Sandy Hook was a hoax to go after gun owners?

    Pr Fetzer has been an eminent and very respected researcher within the JFK Truth community for about 40 years, Renfro. He is on the same side you are, the side of decent and honourable Americans.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Twodees Partain
  171. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    So Let Me Ask Again…..Where Are The Undead Children?……Where Are The Pretend Parents Of The Non Existent Children?

    in the green spaces


    https://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?display=showcomments#comment-3506438

  172. utu says:

    Mr. Fetzer should not worry too much. The trial was just a theater. The judge that sentenced him was one of many crisis actors. Nothing was real. Perhaps paying the $450,000 judgement with the Monopoly money will be accepted.

    • LOL: renfro, Ron Unz
  173. @Robert Dolan

    Appeal for Jewish cop-murderer’s life .

    Jewish Groups including ADL rally around [Jew] Death-Row inmate who pleads trial Judge was “anti-Semitic”. Randy Halprin was one of seven men who escaped from a South Texas prison in December 2000 and went on to commit several robberies, including a Christmas Eve crime in which a police officer was killed.
    Four members of the gang have already been executed, the fifth killed himself before he could be recaptured, and the sixth is also to be executed this year –

    Jews call to halt Death-Row inmate’s execution, citing, …..“anti-Semitism” –
    https://va.news-republic.com/a/6733679683524624902

    PS
    Its ALL about Holoca$h

    • Replies: @getaclue
  174. Agent76 says:

    The Sandy Hook School Massacre Timeline

    GR Editor’s Note: Professor Tracy was recently fired by his University for his writings on The Sandy Hook massacre, which question the official narrative.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/sandy-hook-school-massacre-timeline/5317968/amp

    Jan 12, 2015 I almost forgot about this footage.. Sandy Hook Hoax

    Remember the what we thought were Vans and the white backup explorers?

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Jon Baptist
  175. utu says:

    Mr. Fetzer is radioactive and toxic. Whatever he touches he mucks it up.

    The Decline and Fall of Jim Fetzer by James DiEugenio
    https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-decline-and-fall-of-jim-fetzer

    It was not enough for Fetzer to muck up the JFK case. In addition to sponsoring Hankey on Gary Webb, he then spread out to other areas: like the RFK case, and 9-11. In all these instances, Fetzer chose the same trail as he had before—the most extreme, sensational one.

    • Disagree: Iris
    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
    , @Iris
  176. utu says:

    Found on the web:

    I would have to agree that there is indeed a spectrum of woo, from innocent spin on one end to full-blown delusional fantasy at the other. I think every reader draws his own line on that spectrum where he divides something he considers patently incredible and something he might want to investigate to see where there’s a nugget of truth.

    And yes, I agree James Fetzer seems to aim for the heavy-woo end of the spectrum. Why he does it is probably something only he knows. I think it’s less plausible that he’s some sort of secret anti-conspiracy operative, than that he simply knows that in order to make a profit in the conspiracy industry (and let’s face it: that’s what he’s been trying to do for years) you have to stand out from the crowd. Being just a little “woo” means you have to fight for an audience among the second- and third-tier journalists and the barely-mainstream news commentators. Being a lot “woo” means everyone’s talking about you because no one else is that [expletive] crazy. And notoriety is the name of the game. If you’re not noticed, you don’t get appearance fees.

    Fetzer, being one of the few fringe theorists with an advanced academic degree, gets to play another card that his competitors lack. His arguments more often than not boil down to, “Well I have a PhD in science, therefore anything I say is likely to be true and unless you have my education you can’t even begin to argue with me.” I wonder if he knows that doctorates can be withdrawn by their granting institutions for egregious behavior and/or misuse of them.

  177. Iris says:
    @utu

    Insensitive, not decent, and not even funny.

    How can you ever hope to take your country back if this is how you treat countrymen who share the same values?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  178. renfro says:
    @Iris

    Whatever else he may be, he is obsessed with hoaxes and conspiracies….totally obsessed.
    Of course there have been hoax, conspiracies and etc……BUT….Not Everything that happens is a hoax.
    I just scanned a pdf of his book and checked out his site.
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2018/04/dan-cromer-operation-hoggwash-no-death-records-for-the-17-parkland-victims/
    Sandy Hook was a hoax
    Boston marathon bomb was a hoax
    Las Vegas concert shooting was a hoax
    Parkland school shooting was a hoax
    Etc.

    I am a big believer in the JFK assassination being a cover up and 911 being a big ‘let it happen’ plan ….BUT again not everything is a hoax.

    People who would have you believe everything is a gov hoax are as dangerous to you as those who would have you believe there are no hoax or conspiracies.

    If people don’t use their brain to ‘distinguish’…recognize one thing from others …Or..’all things separately ‘…….then to them everything is either a hoax or not a hoax.

  179. @anonymous

    Simulated victims a/k/a vicsims ? See Septemberclues.info : “The vicsim report ” Were some or all of the 9/11 victims fabricated identities ?

  180. @Iris

    Don’t give renfro so much credit. He thinks that Liz Warren isn’t a socialist.

  181. 1. Denying the Sandy Hook massacre is reprehensible.
    2. Giving people the power to sue people for upsetting them is even more reprehensible.

  182. Parfois1 says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    No, suicide is not an option. My mother took her own life, but that is something that I would never do.

    I don’t think RoatanBill meant it literally; presumably it was meant to be a warning.
    Take care.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  183. Robjil says:
    @utu

    Ever wondered why these “events” don’t happen in Italy?

    https://off-guardian.org/2015/07/17/natos-secret-armies-gladio-in-western-europe/

    In 1984, ironic year, Judge Felice Casson investigated such “events” that we regularly have all over the western world in past few years.

    He discovered who was doing these “events” in Italy.

    These “events” were like a war in Italy.

    ‘The official figures say that alone in the period between January 1, 1969 and December 31, 1987, there have been in Italy 14591 acts of violence with a political motivation’, Italian Senator Giovanni Pellegrino, president of Italy’s parliamentary commission investigating Gladio and the massacres, recalled the very violent period of Italy’s most recent history. It is maybe worth remembering that these “acts” have left behind 491 dead and 1181 injured and maimed. Figures of a war, with no parallel in any other European country.

    Here is how Judge Casson did his investigative work. What a wonderful opportunity then, people had the power to look into these “events”. It wasn’t the “1984” world we live in today.

    Then, in 1984, young Italian Judge Felice Casson reopened the long dormant case after having discovered with surprise an entire series of blunders and fabrications surrounding the Peteano atrocity. Judge Casson found that there had been no police investigation on the scene. He also discovered that the report which at the time claimed that the explosive used in Peteano had been the one traditionally used by the Red Brigades was a forgery.

    It was state terrorism. Italy seems to be immune to this because of this investigation in the 1980s in Italy. Can’t fool the Italians with these events.

    Judge Casson, meanwhile from the testimonies of Peteano terrorist Vincenzo Vinciguerra and the documents he had discovered, started to understand the complex secret military strategy that had been employed. He gradually started to understand that he was dealing not with private, but with state terrorism, paid by tax money. Under the name ‘strategy of tension’ the massacres aimed to create tension among the entire population…

    I agree with General Maletti about who was all behind this.

    In retrospect the 79-year-old Maletti offered criticism and regret:

    ‘Italy has been dealt with as a sort of protectorate’ of the United States. ‘I am ashamed to think that we are still subject to special supervision.’

    • Replies: @utu
    , @anonymous
  184. Parfois1 says: • Website
    @Iris

    Thank you. You are an amazing source of very interesting tidbits about almost anything, from hard science to fiction-like hush-hush reality.

  185. utu says:
    @Robjil

    Ever wondered why these “events” don’t happen in Italy?

    – Because they did not have Jim Fetzer in Italy. If they had Jim Fetzer he would successfully convince Italians to stop worrying about the so-called terrorist attacks as they were all victimless hoaxes with crisis actors straight from Cinecittà.

  186. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    [Michael] Ledeen has on several occasions become directly involved in efforts to shape the policies of both the United States and other countries, which has led him to make some peculiar affiliations.
    In the late 1970s, while Ledeen was serving as a consultant on terrorism to the Italian military intelligence agency SISMI, he became associated with a Francesco Pazienza, an Italian agent who was also a member of the Italian P2 Masonic Lodge, a violent right-wing group involved in terrorist attacks in Italy in the 1970s and 80s. In a report about the P2’s involvement in bombings in Italy, as well as its connections to corrupt government officials, the Toronto Star reported on Pazienza’s claims that Ledeen served as a go-between for the Ronald Reagan administration and Italian officials.
    According to the Star, Pazienza was eventually convicted in absentia of “abusing his status as secret agent by using extortion to obtain information on contacts between former president Jimmy Carter’s brother Billy and Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and then passing this ‘Billygate’ material to Michael Ledeen.” https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/michael-ledeen/

  187. Iris says:
    @renfro

    Hi Renfro;

    I personally don’t have an opinion about what happened at Sandy Hook; these events are not so well documented in Europe.

    I had a look at the video posted by Agent76 in comment 179, which has over 1100 comments, and scrolled the best rated ones. I stopped after the 40th, as all of them express the same opinion: SH was a hoax. One rarely sees unanimity in discussion threads, so it is clear that a large number of Americans interested in politics are of this opinion.

    How normal/legal/moral is it to bankrupt a person and destroy their life just because they publicly express a political opinion shared by many? This is fascism, and a decent person cannot accept it. Best.

    • Agree: Agent76, Robjil
  188. I have no idea what happened at SH but I DO know that the nose will do whatever it takes to disarm white people and WRECK western civilization forever.

    They don’t give a fuck that we are the best friends they have ever had.

    They are paranoid shithead lunatics and they do mass murder when they have total control.

    They fuck up everything they get their hands on.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  189. @Robert Dolan

    Agree, they are wreckers and murderers and proved this with the attack on the WTC on 911.

  190. @utu

    God knows Jim Fetzer has his faults, but lack of sincerity is not one of them. I am pretty sure that nobody who actually knows him doubts his good faith.

  191. @CMC

    He made the observation in conversation with Plaintiff’s attorney, Jake Zimmerman, discussing whether I and Mike Palecek, my co-defendant at the time, would even be allowed to speak at the trial for damages. He explained to Zimmerman that, if he were to strike the experts’ reports, that might be a grounds for appeal; so he instead set them aside as “mere opinions”. You can read the transcript, a pubic document. I was stunned that he would render a summary judgment under the circumstances.

    • Replies: @CMC
  192. @Parfois1

    He meant a murder staged to look like a suicide. I understood what he meant. My death would harm my friends and benefit my enemies. For many different reasons, including service as a commissioned officer in the U.S. Marine Corps, where I resigned my commission as a Captain, USMC, to enter grad school and pursue a Ph.D. in the history and the philosophy of science, I would never do that. Never.

  193. @renfro

    Your logic, based, at best, on something similar to expectation of a coin thrown
    many times in a row to fall more or less evenly on each of its two sides won’t work
    if that coin is rigged.
    And you can be sure, the rigged coin will fall on the same side as long as there’s no
    consequences for the hand that throws it.
    So, the first thing people need to do in order to “distinguish” is to clarify for
    themselves what kind of hands have monopoly on these “coins”.
    Correct answer to that question effectively eliminates the need to worry about
    statistical imbalance, leaving it all to the facts as they are, plus no less precious
    “we’ve seen it before”.

  194. @renfro

    What I have done (especially since my retirement in 2006 after a 35-year career as a professor of philosophy (principally offering course in logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning). I have been specializing in bringing together experts to sort out truth from fiction in relation to the most complex and controversial (politically significant) events of our time. I began with JFK, publishing 3 collections of expert studies, where we exposed that the autopsy X-rays had been “patched” to conceal a fist-sized blow out to the back of the head, that there was proof of a second shot to the head, and that the brain shown in diagrams and photographs in the National Archives cannot be the brain of John F. Kennedy.

    This guy appears to have never read any of my work, where I have done this (bringing the best experts together) not only on JFK but on 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando, Charlottesville, Parkland and (even) the moon landing. He ought to be celebrating that we have taken the time and expended the effort to figure out what really happened. The government has not been pleased and, in addition to my Sandy Hook book, five more have been banned by amazon.com. It is not that hard to infer why anyone would discourage research of this kind: it doesn’t benefit the Deep State. It would be interesting if he could show what we have wrong in any of these cases. We could discuss it on the air.

  195. @utu

    This is dredging the bottom of the barrel. Jim DiEugenio published complete rubbish. He was discussing my work on subjects he knew nothing about–as are you. I devoted 7 hours on video to going through every one of his claims, which were as fabricated as the Sandy Hook shooting. Interesting you come up with fake attacks, which I have already systematically refuted, but cannot find the time to look at any of my work for yourself. Something like hiding behind a woman’s skirt. There is something wrong when you have to resort to irrelevant garbage and can’t argue for yourself. This is embarrassing. Very!

  196. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Do you know if the whole court file is publicly available? And do you know if, for that which is publicly available, whether it’s publicly available in the go-to-the-courthouse-in-person sense, or online, or what?

  197. eah says:
    @renfro

    Well not a stupid as you’d like me to be…..So Let Me Ask Again…..Where Are The Undead Children?……Where Are The Pretend Parents Of The Non Existent Children? Does your book answer that? Will you answer that?

    What happens to someone who enters the witness protection program?

    At a criminal trial, the job of a defense attorney is to induce “reasonable doubt” in a jury, so that they feel compelled to find the defendant “not (proven) guilty” — it isn’t his job to prove his client is innocent (eg by finding the “real killer”), or to answer any/all open questions about what happened — after the trial, observers may be divided, with some saying “(proven beyond a reasonable doubt) guilty”, others saying “not (proven) guilty”, and still others saying “innocent”.

    You probably have not spent any time at all studying SH skeptic material; you admit you did not read Fetzer’s book — it is, like the work of all SH skeptics, basically a compendium of observations and open/unanswered questions — its fundamental purpose is to raise “reasonable doubt” in the reader about the official story of what happened at SH — it is not meant to be, does not purport to be, and cannot be, a comprehensive investigative report which answers any/all open questions about SH.

    You’re an intellectual child whose comments here reflect that.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Twodees Partain
  198. @CMC

    Write to me at [email protected] and we can pursue this further. Will be glad to hear from you.

    • Replies: @CMC
  199. @utu

    So having never read any of my work–where I bring together the best experts on each of these events to sort them out–you go onto the internet and publish complete rubbish, where you have no idea whether any of what you are posting is true or false–or even remotely well-founded? I think we have here the measure of your integrity. This is pathetic. All I ask is that you produce one or more claims from any of my books that you think we have wrong and explain why. I have more than 36 books, 24+ on academic subjects, 12+ in conspiracy research (all of them collaborative). You are completely irresponsible to adopt such tactics. God forbid anyone takes you seriously.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @renfro
  200. @Robert Dolan

    You are right..Jews always win and they will destroy our Justice system just like they destroyed everything else. These are the people who are nothing but propaganda and overt lies but have the sickness to tell the rest of us what the truth is.

  201. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Richard Pryor once stated, “Omit the logic.”

    In your case you simply apply it.

    When 1 + 1 = 3, logically something is wrong.

    In [too] many cases, most of the incriminating evidence is inaccessible, tampered with or disappeared, but that doesn’t omit logic and physics.

    It can become like describing the air around a cup, but that doesn’t mean the actual picture isn’t clear.

    We have a gut feeling for a reason, even if we think it’s gibberish.

    Keep up the good work.

    I need more light in this darkness engulfing me.

  202. AllFullUp says:
    @Reality Cheque

    No, no, nope…
    Perfectly wrong! Anti-German propaganda in terms of 1940-1990 Cold War, neothink denunciation! not your rainbow-laiden, Hoard-ridden happy metropolis of the last few years. Germany’s victimization through cold-war neo-lib propaganda is inversely proportionate
    To its Voluntary complicity to PC Bolshevism. Of course it’s a happy place, today. That’s how you get to portray it when you manage the media. Special thanks to Reality Cheque for gulping down “the narrative” and vomiting on the floor of this article…

    Do you even grasp any of what is being discussed around here?

  203. Unz wrote the following comment. “It sounds like a really stupid book and Fetzer seems like a total nut to me.” https://www.unz.com/announcement/banned-by-amazon-and-purged-by-the-neocons/#comment-3116278 Ron, you thought a lot a people held “crackpot” theories until you seriously started investigating for yourself.

    I personally do not discount most of Fetzer’s research regarding Sandy Hook. There is too much there to be ignored. The fact that the evidence wasn’t presented in court screams coverup. Watch Gov. Malloy at the 39 minute mark in the video linked below deny that he said “something like this playing itself out in our state.” Watch him attempt to refute Wolfgang Halbig. (Ref. eah’s comment 163 )

    That being said, I have an extreme lack of trust for individuals like Fetzer, Barrett, Duff, Greenwald, St. Clair and many others in the entire spectrum of alternative media. Fetzer is without a doubt a very toxic individual and a chaos agent. His affiliation with Gahary (Moon Rock Books) casts huge doubt on his legitimacy. Gahary along with Phil Tourney during their radio show played into the hands of Israel and for all intents associated the USS Liberty vets with Neo-Nazis making a pariah out of all the vets. As a result, bickering and infighting destroyed the USS Liberty movement’s pursuit of justice. They had the endorsement of Admiral Moorer and it still went nowhere. By the way, what happened to all the money for the USS Liberty major motion picture?

    Below is a link to Maidhc Ó Cathail and what he had to say about Kevin Barrett’s associates at Veterans Today. Fetzer was also part of VT until he had a falling out with Duff. As Ó Cathail states, the best way to neutralize effective criticism is by associating that criticism with something completely ridiculous such as UFO’s. In Fetzer’s case, it’s holograms.
    https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oXQM13nrHa

    Cass Sunstein wrote the following in his paper ‘Conspiracy Theories.’ FYI. That paper was scrubbed completely from the Wayback Machine. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585

    “One promising tactic is cognitive infiltration of extremist groups…[W]e mean that government efforts might succeed in weakening or even breaking up the ideological and epistemological complexes that constitute these networks and groups.”

    Creating chaos and full-spectrum dominance is their game.

    • Agree: utu
  204. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    You have been debunked…..point by point….by people who have taken the trouble to check your claims….and I say ‘claims’ because that is what they are.

    I did scan your book on the online pdf and agree with your critics that its nothing but unnamed Obama sources by a nobody character, blurred photos, and a proven to be fake FEMA memo taken from a gov site form and filled in, complete with misspelling and the wrong kind of gov email address, etc., etc.. you didnt even do the leg work to get death certificates for the students which were available to anyone who requested a copy for 20 bucks.

    Everyone who has dealt with you has called you a megalomaniac who refuses to admit when he is wrong. I don’t care what you taught, there is no evidence of logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning in your books.. Furthermore you continually change your claims …contradicting your own prior claims …as you did the Kennedy assassination which in your latest claim is he was shot by 10 bullets. Sandy Hook was a Mossad opt then it was FEMA hoax.

    Anyone who wants to see the unraveling of your claims by other investigators can click on these links:

    https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-decline-and-fall-of-jim-fetzer

    http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/ten-reasons-jim-fetzers-sandy-hook-book.html

    https://www.opednews.com/articles/2/James-Fetzer-s-Nobody-Die-by-keith-johnson-Events_FEMA_Killing_Sandy-Hook-151211-805.html?p=2&f=James-Fetzer-s-Nobody-Die-by-keith-johnson-Events_FEMA_Killing_Sandy-Hook-151211-805.html

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  205. renfro says:
    @eah

    You’re an intellectual child whose comments here reflect that.

    I’m a intellectual child?…I like that…just call me the child who said ‘the emperor has no clothes’..lol

    • Replies: @eah
  206. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Your insults to utu and others will get you exactly zero.
    Do you seriously think that we internet scrappers and researchers haven’t seen your kind before.?
    The Ex Professor who no longer has an audience, no longer has ‘students ‘ to ‘lecture ‘ seeks out a admiring’ following’ in conspiracy theories.
    The last one I encountered with your same problem was professor Jerome Slater who I left bleeding out on the stage .
    Email him and ask him what happened to him on his ‘Just War Theory’ hypocrisy on mondoweiss .
    Then if you want to start trading insults with me and others who think your work fails the test come right ahead.
    Each hot air balloon launched will be punctured.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Parfois1
  207. One could of course avoid the trauma by avoiding engaging with people he thinks are are wrong. i simply don’;t get the law suit. People get into arguments about who did what, when, how and why all the time.

    I don’t think the Sandy Hook incident a hoax, could be, but I am unclear how those that they think it is a hoax can beheld accountable for another person’s grief because they disagree.
    This is quite different than supporting a lie, or manufacturing untruths to disparage others. I have come to accept that there are people who simply don’t the standard narratives.

    standard for defamation.

    https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/defamation

    The lawyers for the defendent seemed to be granting some level of defamation. But even if the plaintiff were a private citizens, the standard may be hard to reach, minus some maliscious intent and acknowledged use of false information.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  208. Pegasus says:
    @getaclue

    This is off-topic, but quite interesting topic indeed, and you seem knowledgeable on it. Are you a lawyer I suppose? Maybe you could write a more thorough article here at UR, with examples and references of occasions when prosecutors and FBI were caught red handed.

    You seem genuinely repulsed by such corruption, and this is the kind of article that, when properly supported by references, many would share.

    Quite a few people in the US, especially blacks, genuinely believe that the criminal system is rigged against them. I do not think that to be the case, but still I suspect there is a grain of truth in that belief. What is your impression about it?

    In any case, good post.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  209. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    What reason do you have for thinking we were wrong? I brought together 13 experts, including 6 Ph.D. professors, where we established that the school had been closed by 2008,

    Easily found….a hoax set up in a school that was closed? Hardly…too many people involved, too much background propaganda work to be done and planted in the right places. Birth certs to fake, death certs to fake, fake medical responders, fake police, and none of them would ever talk or run to the Enquirer?. …yea right. Ph.D.s are sounding like the old piled higher and deeper.

    First, a few web sites demonstrating that Sandy Hook Elementary School was open and functioning during the time that Fetzer and friends claim that it was closed:
    Sandy Hook Elementary School Web Site, 2010 (Most of the links on the left work)
    Sandy Hook Fundraising Gala, March 13, 2010
    Sandy Hook Elementary School Budget for 2010-2011
    Sandy Hook Elementary School Budget for 2011-2012
    Sandy Hook School Welcomes Incoming Kindergartners, Staff and volunteers register students for 2010 – 2011 School Year
    http://web.archive.org/web/20101007234842/http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/shs/
    School Phone (203) 426-7657 Voicemail (203) 270-4644

    [email protected] http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net

    The Sandy Hook School
    Connection School Phone (203) 426-7657 Voicemail (203) 270-4644
    [email protected] http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net
    The Sandy Hook School
    March 22, 2012
    One School, One Read Family Night Tonight
    Come and join in the fun of our school and family celebration of Stuart Little
    tonight, Thursday, March 22, at our One School, One Read SHS Family Night.
    Parking and space are limited, so we ask that families attend according to last name.
    If there is a conflict, please feel free to come to either session:
    Last names A– M, Session 1, 5:30–6:30 p.m.
    Last names N– Z, Session 2, 7–8 p.m.
    Parking will also be available at the Sandy Hook Firehouse, and overflow parking for those who can
    carpool will be available at Newtown United Methodist Church at 92 Church Hill Road in Sandy Hook.
    Second Week of One School, One Read Welcomes Local Guest Readers!
    SHS students and staff welcomed some local celebrities as guest readers for our
    second week of Stuart Little. On Monday, Newtown Police Chief Mike Kehoe read to
    Mrs. Vollmer’s kindergartners. On Tuesday, Newtown’s First Selectman Pat Llodra
    read to Ms. Anderheggen’s 4th grade students and and answered several questions about
    her personal reading and writing interests. On Wednesday, Newtown Police Youth and School
    Resource Officer Gladys Pisani read to Mrs. Kazlauskas’s 1st graders, who also enjoyed a special
    surprise from Officer Pisani; and Board of Education member Mr. Keith Alexander read to Mrs.
    Mackenzie’s 2nd grade students. On Thursday, Board of Education Vice-Chairperson Mrs. Laura
    Roche read to Mrs. Usher’s 4th grade class. We are grateful to our guest readers who were so willing to come in and share their reading talents with our students. The students loved them all!
    Book Fair Volunteers Still Needed
    Our book fair starts in just few days and we are in urgent need of more
    volunteers. Please consider volunteering. There are still several shifts for
    which we have no coverage. If your kids need community hours, this is a
    great way for them to earn some. Want to help when your child’s class is previewing the book fair? You
    can view the teachers’ planned visiting times on the book fair website (below). Please help us and
    volunteer. Visit our book fair website at http://bookfairs.scholastic.com/homepage/sandyhook or contact
    Stephanie Johnson at (203) 770-8323 or [email protected] to help. Thank you.
    Monday, March 26: Set up 3:45-5:30 p.m. (7 people)
    Tuesday, March 27: 8-11 a.m. (4 people), 11 a.m-1 p.m. (2 people), 1-3 p.m. (2 people),
    3-5 p.m. (3 people)
    Wednesday, March 28: 8-10 a.m. (3 people), 10 a.m. -12 p.m. (4 people), 2-4 p.m. (2 people),
    4-6 p.m. (2 people), 6-8 p.m. (2 people)
    Thursday, March 29: 8-11 a.m. (2 people), 11 a.m.-1 p.m. (2 people), 1-3 p.m. (3 people),
    3-5 p.m. (3 people)
    Friday, March 30: 8-11 a.m. (2 people), 11 a.m.-1 p.m. (2 people), 1-3 p.m. (3 people),
    Clean up 3:30-5 p.m. (12 people)
    iCare for Sandy Hook School Auction Event Has Arrived
    After months of planning, and with a core of devoted and creative volunteers, we are excited
    to see all of our efforts come together this Friday evening at Rock Ridge Country Club. Our
    team has worked very diligently to ensure the night has something for everyone. Thank you for all the
    support leading up to this event, and we truly look forward to sharing in a memorable night for our
    school. See you there! Christine Doscher, Jennifer Finnegan, Kristin

    Sandy Hook Scrapbook 2012
    https://web.archive.org/web/20141104193707/http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net/AboutUs/Scrapbook20112012/tabid/15581/Default.aspx

    See more of Sandy Hook in 2012.
    https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2016/05/27/sandy-hook-elementary-was-open-part-six-the-2011-2012-scrapbook/#comment-403

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  210. @utu

    This is supposed to be funny? Even the FBI in its Consolidates Crime Report for 2012 observed that the number of murders in Newtown (of which Sandy Hook is a subdivision) was zero (0): Zilch! Nada! None! So do you think that is funny, too? Astounding to me how many here are willing to stake out a claim without knowing any of the evidence. Here’s my proposition. Check out (watch) in its entirety “Sandy Hook Update: Tracy loses, Wolfgang wins”



    and tell us what we have wrong and why. And if you have anything worth discussing, I will feature you on my radio program “The Raw Deal” (6-8 PM/ET, W/F/SUN) and we can debate Sandy Hook on the air. That way the public will have the benefit of your knowledge and insight. Sound like a plan? If we have something wrong, I want to know and correct it. I have no interest in fiction, only fact.

  211. @renfro

    Ahhhhh! I thought you knew something about the case. There was no surge of EMTs into the school. No string of ambulances rushed their little bodies to hospitals where doctors could pronounce them dead or alive. No Med-Evac choppers were call. Triage tarps were laid out in the parking lot, but no bodies of dead or wounded were placed on them. The Medical Examiner explained that the parents were not allowed to see their bodies but that their identification was done using photographs. That appears to have been a key element in this elaborate charade, because we have discovered that the kids were fictions made up out of photographs of older kids when they were younger. Some parents may even have used photos of themselves as children–it was just that cynical and brazen. Wolfgang has published photos of Sandy Hook girls and boys all grown up and looking very cute and perky–and alive! Here’s a video where I explain how it was done and how we know. Let me have your feedback:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/H8pLy2RiSAgC/

  212. And for those who really don’t understand what was going on here, it was a two-day FEMA exercise–a mass casualty drill involving children–that was presented as mass murder to promote gun control. We even found the FEMA manual for the event, which I published as Appendix A to the book, which you can download for free using its title, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook PDF. Events on the ground recorded what was happening: a portable sign saying, “Everyone must check in” (which is not typically found at a crime scene); Porta-Potties already in place (where when Wolfgang asked who had delivered them, he found two homicide detectives on his porch, telling him that they were there on behalf of the CT State Police and that, if he kept asking questions about Sandy Hook, he would be prosecuted); pizza and bottled water at the Firehouse (again, not normal for a crime scene, but where FEMA exercises provide refreshments and restrooms); many with name-tags on lanyards (where FEMA uses color-coded name-tags on lanyards to identify the participants and their respective roles); and there were parents with children (but no parent would bring a child to the scene of a child-shooting massacre). It was a community-wide Capstone event, which they were treating as a festive occasion. Watch the video, where I document each of the claims I have made about the two days of the FEMA exercise. The book has been available since 2015. You might even want to read it.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  213. @CMC

    Here are some of my blogs and other sources relevant to this case. I have much, much more:

    CURRENT STATUS

    Jury awards Sandy Hook father $450,000 for defamation by local conspiracy theorist
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/10/jury-awards-sandy-hook-father-450000-for-defamation-by-local-conspiracy-theorist/

    Kevin Barrett, The Legal Lynching of a Truth-Seeker: Jim Fetzer’s Stalinist-Style Show Trial
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=196498

    Judge finds Sandy Hook conspiracy theorist from Oregon (WI) in Contempt of Court
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/09/judge-finds-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theorist-from-oregon-in-contempt-of-court/

    BACKGROUND

    
The Sandy Hook “Pozner v,. Fetzer” Lawsuit for Dummies
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/01/the-sandy-hook-pozner-v-fetzer-lawsuit-for-dummies/

    Sandy Hook “Pozner v. Fetzer Lawsuit: Fetzer’s Proposed Undisputed Findings of Fact
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/05/sandy-hook-pozner-v-fetzer-lawsuit-defendant-fetzers-proposed-undisputed-findings-of-fact/

    Sandy Hook “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit: Defendants’ Motion for Summary Judgment
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/05/sandy-hook-pozner-vs-fetzer-lawsuit-defendants-motion-for-summary-judgment/

    Sandy Hook “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit: Defendant’s Counterclaim against “Leonard Pozner”
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/03/sandy-hook-pozner-v-fetzer-lawsuit-defendants-counterclaim-against-leonard-pozner/

    The Sandy Hook “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit: Defendants’ Application for Appellate Court Review
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/07/jim-fetzer-the-sandy-hook-pozner-v-fetzer-lawsuit-defendants-application-for-appellate-court-review/

    SANDY HOOK “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit: Defendants’ Motion for Summary Judgment
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/05/sandy-hook-pozner-vs-fetzer-lawsuit-defendants-motion-for-summary-judgment/

    SANDY HOOK “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit:” Defendant’s Motion for Expansion of DNA Testing
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/04/sandy-hook-pozner-v-fetzer-lawsuit-defendants-motion-for-expansion-of-dna-testing/

    COMMENTARIES

    Paul Craig Roberts, Who Remembers the Sandy Hook School Shooting?
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/07/paul-craig-roberts-who-remembers-the-sandy-hook-school-shootings/

    Carl Herman, The Sandy Hook “Show Trial”: Judge Violates Right for Jury to Determine Disputed Facts
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/07/carl-herman-the-sandy-hook-show-trial-judge-violates-right-for-jury-to-determine-disputed-facts/

    Carl Herman, Jim Fetzer’s Legal Testimony for Sandy Hook Lawsuit could be Bigger than King Family Civil Trial
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/02/carl-herman-jim-fetzers-legal-testimony-for-sandy-hook-lawsuit-could-be-bigger-than-king-family-civil-trial/

    Mike Palecek, The Sandy Hook Trial-of-the-Century Nobody Really Knows About
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/08/mike-palecek-the-sandy-hook-trial-of-the-century-nobody-really-knows-about/

    SANDY HOOK: Why are there 4 versions of Noah Pozner’s Death Certificate?
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/04/sandy-hook-why-are-there-4-versions-of-noah-pozners-death-certificate/

    SANDY HOOK Pozner’s Problem: How do you discredit a Distinguished McKnight University Professor Emeritus?
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/04/sandy-hook-pozners-problem-how-do-you-discredit-a-distinguished-mcknight-university-professor-emeritus/

    Jim Fetzer, Lenny Pozner’s HONR Network: There is no Honor among Thieves
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/04/lenny-pozners-honr-network-there-is-no-honor-among-thieves/

    Julie Wilson, The Sandy Hook Conspiracy: School was shut down due to asbestos contamination 4 years before alleged shooting, new book reveals
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/02/the-sandy-hook-conspiracy-school-was-shut-down-due-to-asbestos-contamination-4-years-before-alleged-shooting-new-book-reveals/

    Stephanie Sledge, SANDY HOOK: The Untold Story
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/07/stephanie-sledge-sandy-hook-the-untold-story/

    NOBODY DIED AT SANDY HOOK was not enough: Amazon.com bans 5 more Moon Rock Books
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/06/nobody-died-at-sandy-hook-was-not-enough-amazon-com-bans-five-5-more-moon-rock-books/

    James Fetzer, In Solidarity with Alex Jones—Why did Americans swallow Sandy Hook Line and Sinker?
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2018/09/friday-september-7-2018-james-fetzer-in-solidarity-with-alex-jones-why-did-americans-swallow-sandy-hook-line-and-sinker-2018-09-03-james-fetzer-in-solidarity-with-alex-jones-why-di/

    Mona Alexis Pressley, In Solidarity with Alex Jones—Sandy Hook had 2 Principals, 2 School Buildings but 0 CAPT Scores in 2009
    https://phibetaiota.net/2018/08/mona-alexis-pressley-in-solidarity-with-alex-jones-sandy-hook-had-2-principals-2-schools-buildings-but-0-capt-for-2009/

    VIDEO PRESENTATIONS

    Here are several hundred of my shows, many of which include discussion of Sandy Hook: https://153news.net/search_result.php?query=fetzer&page=1

    The Real Deal: Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing
    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=RYRR4XX4SDHK

    Sandy Hook Update: Tracy loses, Wolfgang wins. The Deep State Strikes Back!



    False Flags on Five Fronts



    The Sandy Hook “Pozner v. Fetzer” Lawsuit and Why it Matters



    RELATED PUBLICATIONS

    “The Most Dangerous Mind in America” interviewed on false flags and extreme censorship
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-05-06-the-most-dangerous-mind-in-america-interviewed-about-false-flags-and-extreme-censorship.html

    Jim Fetzer, New York Times exemplifies “Post-Truth Ear” by Declaring War on Sandy Hook Truth
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2018/05/new-york-times-exemplifies-post-truth-era-by-declaring-war-on-sandy-hook-truth-2/ 

    Jim Fetzer, Proof that The New York Times publishes Sandy Hook disinformation and propaganda
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2016/01/proof-that-the-new-york-times-publishes-sandy-hook-disinformation-and-propaganda/

    Jim Fetzer, The Chronicle of Higher Education Buckles to the “official account” of Sandy Hook
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2016/01/the-chronicle-of-higher-education-buckles-to-the-official-account-of-sandy-hook/

    BASIC DOCUMENTS

    James Fetzer and Mike Palecek, eds., NOBODY DIED AT SANDY HOOK: IT WAS A FEMA DRILL TO PROMOTE GUN CONTROL (2015)
    http://93.95.228.192/jhf/nobodydiedatsandyhook.pdf

    Robert David Steele, ed., MEMORANDA FOR THE PRESIDENT ON SANDY HOOK: IS FEMA A FALSE FLAG FAKE NEWS TERRORIST NODE? (2018)
    https://phibetaiota.net/2018/08/memoranda-for-the-president-on-sandy-hook-is-fema-a-false-flag-fake-news-terrorist-node-should-googlegestapo-be-closed-down/

    Sandy Hook Presidential Memoranda in Final Order (Book Form)
    PDF (128 Pages):  A Sandy Hook Collected Memoranda 20180905
    DOC (128 Pages):  A Sandy Hook Collected Memoranda 20180905

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  214. Herald says:
    @renfro

    I am a big believer in the JFK assassination being a cover up and 911 being a big ‘let it happen’ plan ….BUT again not everything is a hoax.

    It’s not about belief, that is the way of zealots. It is about major discrepancies in the official narrative of all the events you mention.

  215. @Lol

    Did you actually defraud others?
    The point of “hurting” your prospects of defrauding others is ridiculous. The intent of such “facts” is to protect the public. Your criminal inclinations, if true are totally invalid — like going to court seeking damages against a hit-man who fails to murder the contracted target.
    A “truth” defence MAY be a complete defence — my point that it should not be an unconditional defence.
    So sorry if that’s just too emotional for you.

  216. Wikipedia : “Summary Judgment …It is not uncommon for summary judgments of lower courts …to be overturned on appeal . A grant of summary judgment is reviewed “de novo” (meaning without deference to the views of the trial judge ) both as to the determination that there is no remaining genuine issue of material fact and that the prevailing party(Posner) was entitled to judgment as a matter of law
    …all reasonable inferences must be interpreted in favor of the non-movant (Fetzer ) .” In light of the substantial disputed facts , Judge Remington’s granting of Posner’s Motion for Summary Judgment should be overturned on appeal .

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  217. @Kevin Barrett

    My comment was not in reference to the case under consideration.
    Your views are an accurate reflection of the Law as it stands. I simply have some doubts as to “truth” being a complete defence. The “truth”,when it deals with the written word is very slippery. And, yes, so is “intent” slippery. It’s only an opinion, one which you & many others no doubt, disagree with.

  218. eah says:
    @renfro

    just call me the child who said ‘the emperor has no clothes’..lol

    I provided a definitive answer to your “no clothes” nonsense — it is no surprise that you are both too stupid and too dishonest to see/admit that.

    What a fucking wretch.

    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
  219. @utu

    You keep flogging this failed attempt at humor and it’s very revelatory of your agenda. The central issue in discussing this trial, the way it was conducted to arrive at a predetermined conclusion, has nothing whatsoever to do with Fetzer’s ideas. The central issue is that state and federal courts are corrupt.

    If the courts are corrupt, then it follows that the judicial system is as much under the control of a hostile power as are the legislatures and executives of both state and federal governments in the US. This isn’t a joking matter and it’s unproductive to derail discussions of that grave situation.

    Stop trying to score your little points by attacking a victim of the corrupt judiciary system. You could be victimized in the same way by the system you’re trying to defend against inquiry, or at least you could be if you ever actually did anything other than troll others who are trying to help reveal the nature of the problems that we are faced with.

  220. eah says:
    @renfro

    I am a big believer in the JFK assassination being a cover up and 911 being a big ‘let it happen’ plan ….BUT again not everything is a hoax.

    I see — so if not LHO, who killed JFK? — name names — also, who was behind 9/11? — who decided to ‘let it happen’? — give a comprehensive, encompassing explanation of that, including specific names — otherwise … well, “the emperor has no clothes”.

    But I don’t expect a stupid cretin like you can see your own hypocrisy and double standards.

    Fucking hell — you are a goddamn moron.

    • LOL: renfro
    • Replies: @renfro
  221. Robjil says:

    We are all in the dark with about what our Rulers are doing. Researchers are using flashlights in the dark to figure what the heck they are doing.

    The west is now a Huge Nut House. People who see that are on the porch of this house. Most of us are porch dwellers here on the Unz site.

    I don’t see the point of fighting with fellow porch dwellers. We can discuss differences but the main goal should be get enough people to see that the west this days is a Huge Nut House.

    The west is a real Haunted House, bombing, invasions, firebombing civilians, depleted uranium bombs, supporting terrorism, Operation Gladio events, etc. The main goal of the West’s Haunted House is for us to not see this by banning books, videos and blogs that open our eyes to what our Rulers are doing to our planet.

  222. @eah

    “You’re an intellectual child whose comments here reflect that.”

    You are too kind.

  223. @renfro

    Well, they aren’t (complete) idiots. They knew they had to create a documentary trail to persuade the gullible that it was real. Wolfgang has done a lot of research on how they faked it after it had closed by 2008, where the “Sandy Hook kids” were being taken to Chalk Hill Middle School in Monroe. I don’t expect you to follow up on any evidence I present. I know your mind is made up and you don’t want to be bothered with facts. You have already made that abundantly clear.

    The most important aspect of research on events like JFK, 9/11 and Sandy Hook is separating the authentic evidence from the fabricated. Then the pieces tend to fall into place and what really happened becomes apparent. Here are a couple of papers in which I discuss applying this methodology to 9/11 and to JFK, the first of which was presented at Cambridge and published in an international peer-reviewed journal, the second is the opening chapter of The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007):

    “Reasoning about Assassinations”
    https://www.assassinationscience.com/ReasoningAboutAssassinations.pdf

    “Thinking about ‘Conspiracy Theories’: 9/11 and JFK”
    http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.pdf

  224. eah says:
    @Agent76

    I was not familiar with this footage — its origin is not clear — it appears it could be a montage of clips taken at various times of the day — however one aspect is very noticeable: a complete lack of urgency — this is actually typical of all SH footage: a mass murder has just occurred, but no one seems too upset or bothered about that.

    Also the SWAT members breaking into a shed that is padlocked from the outside was rather absurd — too bad this video does not contain the scenes of the law enforcement guy who’s a dead ringer for David Wheeler carrying an assault weapon upside down by the magazine.

    • Replies: @eah
  225. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Are you trying to suggest that the court file is publicly available but not online so researchers should contact you personally?

  226. I got that Weimerica feeling again.

  227. onebornfree says: • Website
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Mr Fetzer: even though I mostly agree with your accounts of what did/did not happen at Sandy Hook, [lets call them “facts”] I have to say that arguing the truth/ falsity of any/all of these “facts” [eg fake birth certificates etc.] in you trial is a huge mistake on your legal teams part [assuming it was their decision].

    The issue is simply a constitutional one as far as I can see. The question not asked to date [as far as I can tell, at least] is fundamental :

    Do you and your publisher have a right to publish a book in the US that questions/disputes the official version of the claimed events at Sandy Hook [ or anywhere else , for that matter]?

    Simple. End of story.

    I suggest you get a new legal team if it was its idea to argue your case on any other issue than that of the simple, freedom of speech issue.

    Cut to the chase! Get a lawyer who specializes in 1st amendment and related issues. Maybe Robert Barnes:
    https://www.barneslawllp.com/about/

    Regards, onebornfree

  228. eah says:
    @Jon Baptist

    The Carver open air press conference is one of the stranger SH occurrences — watching this weird, bald Uncle Fester medical examiner glibly saying the parents would not be allowed to see their own dead children; instead he would show them fotos taken by his crack photographers — just bizarre — what kind of parent would accept that? — how does he have the authority to decide/enforce a decision like that?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  229. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Both links in the article I found on your site lead to a page with the message:

    Not Authorized to View This Page [CFN #0004]

    Do I need a login to download the book? Thanks.

  230. eah says:
    @eah

    … the law enforcement guy who’s a dead ringer for David Wheeler carrying an assault weapon upside down by the magazine.

    Notice his head is down and he’s wearing sunglasses, ie as if he’s worried about being recognized (I do not recall seeing another SWAT-like person wearing sunglasses that day — ?) — also of course no one trained to handle high-powered weapons would ever carry one like that around so many other people/civilians.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @renfro
  231. @eah

    the parents would not be allowed to see their own dead children; instead he would show them fotos taken by his crack photographers — just bizarre — what kind of parent would accept that?

    Any parent with strong community contacts and substantial assets (which would be most parents in a comfy suburb like Newtown) would be flooding the state with legal papers after such a claim (and holding press conferences, contacting state legislators, the Governor’s office, and a wide variety of non-governmental organizations). Parents with significant resources would raise a s***storm of epic proportions.

    Instead those efforts were focused on suing gun manufacturers–and they have managed to convince gun manufacturers (which used to be a major CT industry) to flee the state.

    This is what is called a _clue_.

    • Agree: Iris
  232. spoonful says:

    The judge in the defamation case is named Remington. Remington was sued by the Attorney General for the State of Connecticut because the rifle allegedly used by the alleged person was a Remington. At no time, did Remington defend itself in the lawsuit based on the event never happening. Remington was bought out of bankruptcy by a major Wall Street owned fund. Probably all just a coincidence . . .

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  233. @EliteCommInc.

    Google and read Wolfgang Halbigs work on Sandy Hook, it reveals Sandy Hook to be a scam/hoax ran by DHS and the rest of the deep state, to instill fear and terror for the purpose of gun confiscation, do the research, hell Adam Lanza was a made up person, he did not exist, the school was closed in 2008, there is a lot more, read Wolfgang Halbigs research!

    And who the hell would leave dead children in the school overnight, but this just another one of the things that the state police Lt. Paul Vance said, the whole thing was a lie!

  234. Agent76 says:
    @DESERT FOX

    All perpetrated by government agents.

    Apr 22, 2013 Boston Bombing: What You Aren’t Being Told

    In this video we are going to demonstrate that at the very minimum the authorities had prior knowledge of the attack and allowed it to happen, and this is only the tip of the iceberg. —–

    Jun 4, 2015 Trevor Aaronson: How this FBI strategy is actually creating US-based terrorists

    There’s an organization responsible for more terrorism plots in the United States than al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab and ISIS combined: The FBI. How? Why?

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, onebornfree
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Twodees Partain
  235. Iris says:
    @utu

    Mr. Fetzer is radioactive and toxic. Whatever he touches he mucks it up.

    This is not a convincing refutation, Utu, there are several fundamental flaws in your argument:

    -1) It is not the job of a whistleblower to explain what actually happened in a violent event impacting the public, their life or their freedom.
    Whistleblowers raise valid and significant questions that an official enquiry has not satisfactorily addressed; the security and judicial institutions have the duty and are paid by taxpayer money to find the correct answers.

    For instance, the London 7/7 bombers could not have made the explosives used at required concentration by boiling it in their kitchen, as highlighted by chemically-trained whistleblowers. It is important to answer this question, because accomplices my have been spared by the enquiry.

    -2) Using the opinion of one whistleblower to bring down another is not rational, because they are both human beings who might have fallen out with each other for human, irrational reasons we know nothing about. It is the wrong approach; you need to develop your own rational argument about the topic/conspiracy being discussed instead.

    -3) I respect all JFK truth researchers, including Jim Di Eugenio whom you quote. But I can point at fundamental faults in his argumentation:

    * He mentions Dr Fetzer’s interest in the 9/11 and Apollo conspiracy theories as if these were de facto ludicrous, obviously unhinged hypothesis.
    Well, he shouldn’t, because as a History graduate, he does not have the credentials to do so.
    There are people with far better, impeccable scientific and engineering backgrounds who have publicly pointed at technical impossibilities and aberrations in both narratives.

    * He considers that exploring other conspiracies harms the JFK assassination research, and that somehow, one must contain their efforts to that one topic.
    Well, it is a fact that 9/11, SH, etc.., are closer to us in time and therefore more important in the eyes of most living people. I don’t see why Dr Fetzer would focus on President Kennedy only. Best.

    • Agree: Robjil, Daniel Rich
  236. @Robjil

    It looks like the beginnings of the OKN ( Offical Kosher Narrative)* as dogma in the US.

    The beginnings? It is very advanced at this point in time. basically the entire USA and its history are a tale of OKN.
    The US has been vehicle of OKN, exported by force.

    The reason why the US system now switches from the carrot to the stick is, the lies cannot be sustained any longer. It draws enormous energy and resources to conceal the old lies with new ones and to maintain the ideology. Endless cycle, getting worse and worse until everything implodes.

    My question to the people who claim nothing in fact happened at the false flag events.

    Why would an agency stage an event including dead, if a training/exercise suddenly becoming a real situation would do, including real dead corpses? Am I supposed to believe these agencies or rogue elements who run these operations care for human life?

    What is the gain of staging corpses? Real corpses are much more convincing if you carry out an anti-gun agenda to disarm the US population. Anyway, I don’t really care, because the aim of such operations are pretty clear and obvious.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Harold Smith
    , @Antares
  237. [forward.com]

    Veronique Pozner

    Three days after the massacre, Pozner eulogized Noah at his funeral, which was officiated by Rabbi Shaul Praver of Congregation Adath Israel.

    Pozner also provided the public with a portrait of Jewish mourning.

    She celebrated Hanukkah with Noah the night before he died, sharing the last photo of her son with a Connecticut panel on gun control in January. “It shows him holding up a lit Hanukkah candle and staring and smiling into its flame,”

    . In April, the state legislature heeded the calls of Pozner and the other Newtown parents for gun control and passed the strictest gun control laws in the nation

    LOL

  238. Iris says:
    @Agent76

    Very good video, Agent76, very convincing.

    The violation of civil liberties is incommensurate with the crimes being (??) committed, so there is a hidden agenda at play.

    Basically, the 1960’s Cointelpro provocation program has now been extended to the entire American population, probably in preparation for the coming economic collapse and subsequent social unrest.

  239. Parents of Jewish Sandy Hook victim forced to move 7 times due to harassment

    The parents of a 6-year-old victim of the Sandy Hook shooting have been forced to move homes seven times and now live hundreds of miles from their son’s grave due to near constant harassment from conspiracy theorists

    She added that each time she and her husband, Leonard Pozner, have moved, their whereabouts were published online “with the speed of light,”

    Sounds legit to me

  240. @spoonful

    “the rifle allegedly used by the alleged person was a Remington.”

    As I recall, the media was repeating that the the rifle was a Bushmaster. Bushmaster rifles are manufactured by Bushmaster Firearms International, not Remington. Maybe they can’t get their story straight, or maybe you’re incorrectly remembering the details. I don’t recall the case, but then I don’t know everything.

    • Replies: @spoonful
  241. @Jonathan Revusky

    Noah Pozner also killed in school shooting in Pakistan. Poor kid can’t get a break.

    [MORE]

  242. Republic says:

    Meet David Wheeler, crisis actor, played two roles at Sandy Hook psyop, Grieving Father and FBI
    agent

    Notice it is posted on uncensored.tube

    https://www.uncensored.tube/2018/06/sandy-hook-sloppy-sniper/

  243. @Agent76

    The late Dave McGowan did a pretty thorough piece on the Boston Beanpot Fraud. It’s worth viewing if only for his analysis of the ridiculous MSM images that were disseminated. Dave gave all the characters names, which helps in keeping up with their roles.

    Seeing the nonsensical presentations as they are shown on TV news outlets leaves me feeling insulted by the presumption that the US citizenry are retarded toddlers who will buy anything. The analysis presented by critics of the MSM tales are much more interesting, if only because the critics assume that viewers are of at least average intelligence.

    http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/bostonmarathon/

  244. To access articles on the truth about Sandy Hook, go to henrymakow.com and enter Sandy Hook School in the search box, on the upper left hand side of the home page, there is a long list of articles, among which are Wolfgang Halbig’s reports.

  245. crimeinchicago.blogspot.com : “Sandy Hook hoax ; the Freemason connection …Hiram Lodge #18
    Sandy Hook Elementary School is behind the lodge …”
    Remington the gun manufacturer , Remington the Judge – are they mocking us ?

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  246. @Agent76

    Dr. James Tracy is neither a “nut” nor a “crackpot.” He has a young family of his own. Do you think anything else but the search for truth would prevent Tracy from supporting his family and retaining his position as a tenured university professor?
    https://twitter.com/memoryholeblog

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  247. @Jon Baptist

    Dr. Tracy was right, the way the MSM came down on him and Wolfgang Halbig just shows the fear of the truth about Sandy Hook coming out that the zionist controllers have.

    Telling the truth in a world of deceit is a revolutionary act – George Orwell

    A time comes when silence is betrayal – Martin Luther King

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  248. spoonful says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Remington AR-15 Bushmaster

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  249. Robjil says:
    @Germanicus

    I understand that point of view. In Italy, Operation Gladio, in the cold war era, wasn’t staged, real people got hurt and killed. This is perhaps the outrage in Italy that motivated Judge Felice Casson to investigate what was going on in Italy in 1984.

    A lot of Operation Gladio of our time seems to be staged though. Perhaps they do not want a growing group of angry relatives looking into what is happening.

    Nine Eleven wasn’t staged. Thousands died that day. Thousands more are still dying from whatever poisons our criminal Rulers used that day to knock the towers down. This shows that our Rulers do not value human life at all. Thus, the staging games must be a fear of relatives coming at them if they do too many nine eleven type of events.

    Researchers are in the dark with flashlights trying to figure what the heck our Rulers are doing. I say let a thousand researchers investigate, the more the better.

    It reminds me of the tale of Elephant and blind men. Each blind man feels a different part of the Elephant. The one who touches the tail, says the Elephant is like a broom. The one who touches the leg, says the Elephant is like a foot stool. The one who touches the trunk, says the Elephant is like thick rope. The one who touches the tusk, says the Elephant is like a sword.

    Each Researcher finds different clues what our Rulers are doing. We need them all.

    Squirrels get to a bird feeder by trying every method imaginable until they get it. Humans have to try every method of research to find out what our Rulers are doing to our planet.

    • Agree: Iris
  250. Gast says:

    I have no doubt in my mind that this “trial” was a show but I am not sure which kind of show was at display. There is no doubt that the jews were as always the organizers of this show, but the purpose of it might be a tad more complex than most commenters here imagine.

    To spell out my suspicion bluntly: Jim Fetzer might have been a willing participant in this trial and not the innocent victim as most here assume without much reflection.

    Most of you will find my suspicion outrageous but I will argue for it anyway: I must give some kind of background so indulge me a bit. When Jim Fetzer emerged roughly a decade ago as a “new kid on the block” in the internet scene which was in a fundamental opposition to the PTB, I was certainly interested to hear him. He was an professor emeritus in philosophy. Since our cause lacks prestige this was encouraging. And since there are always conspiracy theorists who lack rationality (some on purpose to give the term “conspiracy theory” a bad name, some by nature) a philosophy professor was welcome.

    But I was also alert. I was not a wide eyed neophyte to this matter at this point, and I was well aware that the jews love to stage their own opposition and that most of those who pretend to be fierce opponents against the system are in reality agents for the jews whose job it is to lead their readers into various blind alleys. In addition, I was well aware that universities in the Western World are very corrupt institutions which have sold out to the jews long ago and are now in complete jewish control. This is in particular true for the humanities. And since I have studied a bit philosophy myslef not so long ago, I was certainly aware that the “philosophy” that is taught at the universities has only a bit more in common with real philosophy than the modern “art” has with real art – all in all not very much. And Fetzer was alway bragging about his professional background ad nauseam (and still does in this very thread) which should in my view be more a source of shame than of honor (I might be a bit prejudiced by my terrible university experience here in Germany, but that is the way I see it).

    So I was certainly interested but also alert.

    I found Jim Fetzer disappointing. I didn’t like him personally. I found him arrogant and petty as most university professors are. He treated people who criticized him as silly schoolboys (I didn’t interact with him, so I was only observing). And often I found his “reasonings” only verbiage and the term “sophistry” came to my mind.

    But I think I can distinguish between the messenger and the message. And I am generally sympathetic to his message. His message concerns the so called “terror events”. There are two camps who share the belief the “terror events” are not what they seem to be in the MSM.. Those who claim that these events are “false flags” operations, i.e. they are real events with real victims but the perpetrators are agents, who want to appear as someone belonging to a group the jews hate. And there are those who claim that those events are mostly staged and there are no or only very few real victims. Fetzer belongs to the latter camp and so do I. I am open to the view that a good part of our world is staged. So I am not one of those who say that Fetzer is a “nutty professor” who wears a “tin foil hut”. I am more agnostic than him since I have not the time to study those events en detail but my studies have led me to be open for Fetzer’s message.

    So why I was dismissing Fetzer? What I found disappointing was that Fetzer was not naming the jews as the source of all the deceptions he investigated. What is the use of all this investigations when they don’t lead to the identity of the perpetrators? Even truthful investigation become mere diversions. If the world is the product some mysterious criminal networks which can never be identified the message remains always unclear and will not gain many followers.

    And Fetzer not only shilled for the jews he shilled for their biggest and most obvious deception – the silly tale of the “Holocaust”. And Fetzer was never tired to proclaimed that he believed in the victimhood of the jews during WW2. They may have exaggerated their victimhood but in general it was true for Fetzer. I distinctly remember a radio show with Carolyn Yeager (who comments here btw.) where he treated the subject only as a matter of free speech. Her beliefs might be silly and he treated them as such but she was allowed to have silly opinions. And Yeager seemed to be happy to be treated as a silly old woman! For me one must get the big things right before one can investigate the smaller things. A hoax buster who beliefs in the “Holocaust” is an absurdity for me. So I dismissed Fetzer.

    So I dismissed him and only occasionally came back to his site. It may well be that he has now changed his tune a bit. But this would not convince me that I was wrong. Many agents have been”radicalized” a bit since it becomes more obvious that jews are behind most evils in our fallen world. Stefan Molyneux seems to name the jew lately but I will always be convinced that he is some kind of agent. And I will always be convinced that Fetzer is some kind of agent even if he would now name the jews (I am not aware of that).

    And if Fetzer is an agent this strange trial might only a piece of propaganda and Fetzer might be a willing participant since his fine is not real.

    Since the jews who were staging this show are competent hoaxers who can follow several purposes with one hoax it is not clear which was the main purpose of this “trial”. It may well be that this was a show which was staged to give a failing agent Jim Fetzer (look at his Alexa rankings of his site!) new credibility by sentencing him in an obviously unjust manner. So the agent is a martyr and can work with a new credibility. Then the second purpose of this show was to intimidate the goyim to speak out against the jews as most here suspect. Since I have now way to determine the priorities of the jews, it may well be the other way round: The “trial” was staged by the jews as one of many events in their war against free speech and the boost of Jim Fetzer as a fearless truther against the system was only a most welcome side effect.

    What I find also suspicious is the way Jim Fetzer interacts with the commenters in this very comment section. As a professor of a not too prestigious university his income was not very high I suppose, so a fine of nearly half a million dollar would be a devastating blow which would shatter the future plans of him and his family. So you would suspect to meet a broken man. But Jim Fetzer acts here as always. Arrogant and petty, treating his critics as schoolboys, bragging about the many books he has written etc. I find this a bit strange. I am well aware that there are some people who are emotionally intransigent but those people are very rare.

    I hope I am not unfair. But I wanted to share my suspicions. People are too often to fast with their judgments. I hope Fetzer shares this view and he is not too cross with me when I want to add a new possibility to the discussion.

  251. @davidgmillsatty

    Defamation law has been around since the Constitution (actually before because it was part of the British common law).

    John Peter Zenger

    How is British law different than American law on defamation?

  252. @Jonathan Revusky

    You made me image search Noah Pozner and I only found pics with him by himself or with 1st order family. Apparently, he never went to the zoo and rode the ponies on a busy day. However SandyHookFacts dubunking site had the only pic of him in public. They even helpfully circle him in red in case you don’t know what the back of his head looks like. Back of head in public.

    Mourning Noah Pozner, the Jewish Boy Whose Life Was Taken Too Soon

    In 2005, Lenny and Veronique relocated to Newtown … Veronique conceived Noah and Arielle through the help of fertility treatments, and gave birth to the healthy pair in 2006…She was 39

    Rolls into into town in 2005, then one year later gives birth to twins at age 39 with “the help of fertility treatments”. Not impossible. But convienient to not lay down roots in the community and get familliar.

  253. @Germanicus

    “My question to the people who claim nothing in fact happened at the false flag events.”

    You can’t lump all “false flag events” together; they have to be analyzed on a case by case basis.

    “Why would an agency stage an event including dead, if a training/exercise suddenly becoming a real situation would do, including real dead corpses?”

    Generally speaking, probably because what “would do” in any given case depends on the details.

    “Am I supposed to believe these agencies or rogue elements who run these operations care for human life?”

    No, you’re not.

    “What is the gain of staging corpses? Real corpses are much more convincing if you carry out an anti-gun agenda to disarm the US population.”

    Perhaps because real dead victims often have families that can be problematic; e.g. families that can bring inconvenient lawsuits. (As 9/11 has shown, not every family can be easily bought off).

    For the calculating psychopath, a mix might be an option, i.e., a few real corpses and everything else fake. This way the risks of problematic families are reduced yet the real corpses create a facade of “legitimacy” to stymie the conspiracy theorists.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  254. @KenH

    I thought two elements in a defamation suit that a plaintiff must prove are a) malice by the defendant and b) financial loss as a result of the supposed defamation. It seems Pozner’s attorney’s didn’t prove or try to prove that Fetzner was guilty of either element but seemed to allege that Fetzner’s good faith efforts to present the truth about Sandy Hook as he saw it based on his research constituted malice.

    The “malice” standard only applies to “public figures” (fun fact — it was created back in the 1960s to allow the NYT to dodge a libel suit). But it’s pretty obvious that Pozner has made himself a public figure. And the absence of even a token effort to establish actual financial damages makes it pretty obvious that this was a show trial. And determining that a statement is defamatory necessarily involves a question of fact, not law — is the statement true? So it should go to the jury.

    OK — it’s in the NPR piece. The (apparently nameless) judge ruled on both the defamation and malice issues. Summary judgment in favor of Pozner on both issues before trial ever really started. Seems kinda shady. Though NPR claims that Noah Pozner’s remains were definitively IDed by DNA testing.

    So the judge found him guilty via summary judgment, and the jury trial was solely to decide damages. Wut?

    That’s not an exaggeration, either — NPR openly admits it:

    A trial to decide damages has been set for October.

  255. renfro says:
    @eah

    Fucking hell — you are a goddamn moron.

    Brilliant comment !….you are one angry little bugger aren’t you?

  256. @9/11 Inside job

    Precious information (the Lodge and its location) !
    That will definitely make some people here nervous.
    As for mocking, if you haven’t read it yet, S.K Bain in his “9-11 As a Mass Ritual”
    explains why they like it so much.

  257. @Gast

    Notice that this guy (whom, to the best of my knowledge, I have never met) faults me for not being sufficiently anti-Semitic! That takes the cake. No logic, reason or evidence, just one rather nasty ad hominem after another. Unreal. My background as an academician of course has always been available at http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/ and my more recent books are available at moonrockbooks.com. I am doing what I can with what I have.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  258. @Kevin Barrett

    He appears to be referring to a concept known as “lashon hara”, which is entirely foreign to the Anglo-American tradition.

    See also “mesirah.”

  259. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    For a much more objective (and far more fair) evaluation, I prefer (and therefore recommend)

    “The Most Dangerous Mind in America” interviewed on false flags and extreme censorship
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-05-06-the-most-dangerous-mind-in-america-interviewed-about-false-flags-and-extreme-censorship.html

  260. Gast says:

    @ Jim Fetzer

    Have you read my comment? I never questioned your academic background, so I don’t know why you link to it. I admitted that I never interacted with you personally, but I don’t see how this fact undermines my arguments. And yes, I found that you were always reluctant to name the jews when I read your works. Simply stating that this “takes the cake” doesn’t add anything to the discussion. Please link to your harshest condemnations of the jews as the organizers of all the fake events you analyze. That would help. And please link to your present view on the “Holocaust”. That would help too.

    And what were my “nasty ad hominem” arguments? I find you not very trustworthy for the reasons I have written down. And I find you act not like a person who must pay a life-shattering fine.

    For someone who always brags about his expertise in logic and argumentation your comment is pretty vacuous.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  261. @Harold Smith

    Perhaps you are right but it takes a lot of courage to stand up in a whirlpool knowing fully that a slip up will cost one inordinate amount of hardship if not something really malicious. And the average Joe regardless of his position doesn’t have it I am afraid.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  262. Don’t waste your breath fighting the bullshit laughingstock US judiciary. CIA buttboy Frank Remington does what he’s told or else. He remembers what happened to John H. Wood and Robert Vance, and even Gladys Kessler, on the Palfrey case. Remington was a juvie judge. Go see his chambers after this and you’ll see his payoff: a dozen 12-year-old law clerks dressed like Jonbenet milling around going, “Hey there, Big Boy! Yoo hoo!” Go over the pathetic scumbag’s head, take it to the IACHR and the HRC UPR complaints mechanism – to grown-up independent forums. This is a clear breach of Article 19 in common law and in the supreme law of the land. That cowed hack Remington wouldn’t know a right from a bar of soap but it’s black-letter US law. He’s indoctrinated to wilful ignorance of it.

  263. @spoonful

    There is an AR15 variant, called Bushmaster made by BFI, in .223 Remington, but that is the name of the cartridge, .223 Remington. Remington makes a large bore hunting rifle, the R 15 in .450 Bushmaster, which is the name of the cartridge, not the rifle. It can be confusing, I know.

    I looked up the case and still don’t know whether the official story has changed from a Bushmaster AR15 being used to a similar rifle made by Remington being the weapon.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @JoeFour
  264. @Gast

    You aren’t very good at research, are you? I published the forward to Nick Kollerstom’s brilliant book, BREAKING THE SPELL (2014), “The Holocaust Narrative: Politics trumps Science”, which has also appeared elsewhere, such as on the CODOH website, https://codoh.com/library/document/3348/?lang=en I edited AND I SUPPOSE WE DIDN’T GO TO THE MOON, EITHER? (both 1st and 2nd editions), which have four (in the first) and six (in the second) essays on the Holocaust. It was for that reason amazon.com has banned that book as well as five others I have edited on Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville and Parkland. My Wikipedia entry was gutted after I organized and spoke at the first Academic Freedom Conference: Are there limits to inquiry?, using JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust as illustrations. I recorded what had happened to my entry in, “James H. Fetzer – Wikipedia the free encyclopedia BUSTED!”, https://jamesfetzer.org/2015/09/james-h-fetzer-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia-busted/ So I am truly not impressed by your unwarranted and indefensible critique.

    • Replies: @Gast
  265. onebornfree says: • Website
    @DESERT FOX

    DESERT FOX says: “Telling the truth in a world of deceit is a revolutionary act

    The fact that:

    1] the book has been banned in various places,
    2] the trial of Fetzer has obviously been a politically motivated “railroading”show trial with a pre-ordained outcome,

    ….should, in a rational world, and to all except perhaps the dimmest of dimbulbs, clearly indicate that Fetzer et al was/is “right over the target” on this matter.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  266. @Really No Shit

    Yes it takes virtue, and increasingly, exceptional moral courage (that most people apparently don’t have) to stand up to the degenerate establishment. And that’s why “America” is collapsing, just like Ben Franklin et al. predicted. But there are still some virtuous people around who do have that kind of moral courage (e.g. Ed Snowden), and that’s why such people are so hated; evil hates a good example.

  267. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    Twodees Partain says:“I looked up the case and still don’t know whether the official story has changed from a Bushmaster AR15 being used to a similar rifle made by Remington being the weapon.”

    I’m pretty sure [without checking back] that some early press releases/reports claimed a handgun was used; even[ if I recall correctly] two handguns- one in each hand of the alleged shooter [or was it two rifles, one in each hand- I forget?] 🙂 .

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  268. Gast says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I have already stated in my first comment that I don’t know your positions in the last years since I have given up following your moves several years ago. I distinctly remember that you were more or less in accord with the official Holocaust narrative when you did a radio show with Carolyn Yeager quite a few years ago. So your position on the “Holocaust” has changed and I commend you for that. I would still be grateful if you would link to an essay of yours where you state your view on the role of organized jewry in the US power structure which is responsible for all the false flag operations or staged fake terror events you analyze.

    And as I have already stated in my first comment, I observe a radicalization of the agents in the last years because the old positions seem more and more out of step with the realization of the thinking minority that jews control pretty much everything worth controlling. Even Molyneux now names the jews in no uncertain terms. So I remain a bit skeptical. But don’t take it personal. I don’t trust “jihadist” Kevin Barrett either since there were some fishy things in the past too (writing for the intelligence hub “Veterans Today” for example and he was also an adherent of the official Holocaust narrative). And this “trial” seem a bit over the top in the described outrageousness that it might be more faked than most here might consider.

    So I stick to my guns which means I remain suspicious.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  269. @onebornfree

    Agree, and it indicates that the zionist controlled deep does not want the truth to come out that all 17 of the so called intelligence agencies are under zionist control, in fact all the government is, and that is why they got away with the attack on the WTC on 911, with the help of traitors in the ZUS government.

    When the Israelis and zionists in the ZUS government got away with their joint attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 they realized that they could get away with anything, and they have, we are slaves on a zionist plantation.

    I have 2 books on the attack on the Liberty, Blood in the Water, by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Phillip Nelson, and both books have contributions by Liberty survivors, and anyone reading these books will be shocked by the control the zionists and Israel has over America, and this was proven again by the Israeli attack on the WTC!

    • Agree: anarchyst
  270. @onebornfree

    Yes, the shooter was said to have had two pistols and a rifle with him in the building and to have left a shotgun in the car. When the narrative is being written by people who have no knowledge of firearms, there are some weird claims made, usually.

    The idiots came up with a story that couldn’t possibly be true, and have been trying to defend their phony facts ever since.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  271. @Gast

    Frankly, you sound like a blithering idiot to me. You are basically praising yourself for your acumen, and denigrating Jim’s. It stands out like a sore thumb. Don’t be upset with me but you are one gilt edged idiot.

    • Replies: @Gast
  272. gsjackson says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    I would think so too. By taking ‘judicial notice’ of the official story — which I assume is what happened — the judge usurped the jury’s role as trier-of-fact, without justification. The law seems clear enough, but you can never count on the law being applied in these political trials in which official narratives come under question.

  273. There’s another way in which this game is played. Make accusations against someone. And then discover they are false or incorrect but to save face you ignore the opposing facts and details in order to save face.

    Continuing a line of analysis merely to save face would still constitute slander/defamation. I think internet forums breed reckless damaging information about people rooted in speculation, and even if were accurate the accompanying narrative distorts the truth with the intent to cause harm — and whether private or public would be grounds for suit.

  274. geokat62 says:

    Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that and ad posted between comments #269 and #270? If I’m not mistaken, this is the first time ads are being posted on UR?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  275. Gast says:
    @stone cold

    Ok, call me names, give no argument and stick to your unfounded sentiment. I could’t care less. And great that you are on a first name basis with Fetzer (probably without his knowledge).

  276. dimples says:
    @Whitewolf

    I’ve never been able to understand the concept of a ‘hoax’ crime carried out by the state. Sure the state has motives and opportunity for carrying out mass crime against its citizens to further its legislative agenda, but why bother with a hoax and all its attendant problems? Where do all the ‘victims’ go for example? In the case of Sandy Hook there is a whole school full of children that have to be disappeared by other methods, or else perhaps the whole school was a hoax to begin with (obviously I might be behind the times in this). Plus you need to convince or mind-control some sucker to pretend he did it.

    Why doesn’t the state not just arrange to shoot the little buggers anyway? Its a lot simpler than trying to fake it. Surely the idea that people would believe that the state cares enough about people’s lives not to actually kill them for its own purposes if it can get away with it, but instead creates an extremely elaborate hoax, reveals them to be complete idiots.

    After many years as a conspiracy theorist, I’ve only just discovered that the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australia in 1996 in which 34 people were shot supposedly by a retarded gunman was in fact a fraud perpetrated by ASIO (the Aust. equivalent of CIA sort of). They arranged for some ex-special forces shooter to carry out the murders and then cleverly pinned it on the retarded patsy. The result was a massive clampdown on gun laws. Now that’s the way to do it, not this hoax and crisis-actor bullshit.

    • Replies: @Gast
    , @9/11 Inside job
  277. @geokat62

    My adblocker counts ads–and it is showing thirty ads here.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  278. geokat62 says:
    @Justvisiting

    Upon closer inspection, it appears the ads are spaced between every 30 comments.

    Oh, well. I guess it was just a matter of time to defray some of the costs after building sufficient traffic to attract advertisers.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  279. Gast says:
    @dimples

    Your understanding might not be the arbiter what is real or not.

    There is a lot of evidence that hoaxed victims are real.

    Let’s just assume the PTB became a bit soft if this helps your understanding.

  280. @dimples

    archive.org : “Port Arthur Fake Massacre – Made in USA ? – 2015 Anniversary Special …none of them really died there …many of the ‘victims ‘ appear to have identities hijacked from the USA…”

    • Replies: @dimples
  281. onebornfree says: • Website
    @geokat62

    It won’t belong before ad owners start to demand that threads with subject matter like this one be deleted because they don’t want their products associated with this type of content. I hope I’m wrong but my guess is that this is the beginning of the end for Unz.com 🙁

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Antares
  282. OK This is what I don’t understand. How can anyone believe that SH was staged? Not because the government couldn’t think it up, but because the only way to keep a secret is to tell no one.

    There is no way that the hundreds of people who would have had to be involved in a cover-up, could have kept the secret that SH was a staged event. No way.

    You are telling me that the 26 families (so at least 2 people in each family and in some cases many more) were all able to be convinced to tell this lie and that in the last 7 years, no one slipped? 50 plus people?

    Then there are all of the emts, police, city government people (who would have known if the school was closed) etc. Another 50? 100?

    So your theory is that 100, maybe 200 people were told to lie and pretend that there was a shooting and that in all that time, no one tried to sell “the real story” to the media or tabloids? No one got drunk and told people that SH never happened? No teenagers pissed at their parents came forward to tell the “horrid lie” their mean parents made them tell?

    That makes no sense what so ever.

    The only person who believes that people can keep a secret, especially when money and potential fame are involved, is a person who doesn’t know anyone else.

    Come On Now

  283. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Come On Now

    Shut yer pie hole, open your mind, and read Fetzers book “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook”. [links to pdf versions already given in various posts above]

    “Regards” onebornfree

  284. @Gast

    Anyone would be an idiot to try to sort these things out on their own. That’s why I bring together the best experts on JFK, 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville and Parkland, not to mention the moon landing and more. What are the odds that 6 Ph.D. professors, who converge in the conclusion that the school was closed by 2008, that there were no students there and that it was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control–WHEN WE EVEN HAVE THE MANUAL AND EVENTS ON THE GROUND CONFORMED TO IT? My suspicion, alas, is that you are here to undermine the most credible and responsible research on these subjects to promote the interests of the Deep State. Sorry I have to say it, but your comments here are overwhelmingly more suspicious than mine. I am explaining what we have found and offering one source after another in substantiation. I will be more impressed when you can produce ONE POINT WE HAVE WRONG and explain how you know we are wrong. When that happens, I might take you seriously. Not before.

    • Replies: @Gast
  285. @Come On Now

    You appear to have a very limited imagination. These are community-involved CAPSTONE exercises, where DHS pays out millions to communities to conduct these exercises and to take no responsibility for how they are interpreted! We estimate that the Sandy Hook survivors for the 26 alleged victims split between $27-130,000,000 in donations from sympathetic but gullible Americans, who held the false belief that they had actually lost loved ones or relatives. Divided evenly, that would work out to between $1-5,000,000 per family–pretty good for faking having lost someone. No lawsuits were filed against the school or the district. Instead, the Newtown School Board was given a $50,000,000 grant to build a new K-4 school, which is seven times the national average of $7,000,000. The parents who were interviewed were not grieving but excited to be on television. Some were flirting with their host. Others were obviously acting. I am sorry, but you have to be cognitively impaired to continue to think that Sandy Hook was a bona fide child shooting massacre. Read the book. Watch the video. And tell me what you think we have wrong and how you know. Even the FBI’s Consolidated Crime Report for 2012 had zero (0) murders in Newtown. Nada. Zip. Zilch. None. Don’t you get it? This was a hoax as one of our contributors was told by members of the Obama Board of Education. You are behind the curve. Every serious student of Sandy Hook knows that it was a drill and that nobody died there. Do some research. It’s OBVIOUS. Nobody died.

    • Replies: @Come On Now
    , @renfro
  286. @onebornfree

    I would imagine that most Unz readers would think twice before clicking on a link in an ad here so I doubt that the return on investment will be great, perhaps advertisers have other motives.

  287. @Come On Now

    This thread has drawn more first time posting shills than usual. Anyway, tell me this: what secret has been kept? This hoax was called out as soon as it was put forth. There has been pushback against it from the first day. The people who are invested in it aren’t willing to give it up, but the truth has already come out.

    Shills like you wade into a forum thinking that you’re going to shout down the discussion. You’re funny; pitiful, but funny.

    • Replies: @Come On Now
  288. @Come On Now

    You’re basically suggesting that conspiracy can never happen because the people involved will disclose.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Catiline

    Anyone who says that doesn’t understand western civilization. One of the signal political events in Rome were the TWO conspiracies of Cataline.

    And here is the thing – the first conspiracy is regarded as a hoax, that it never existed at all. Catline, a powerful senator, it’s argued was being framed, like Lanza. The second was genuine, and Cataline was killed.

    I cannot take seriously people who argue conspiracy can’t exist. It’s existed for as long as records of western civilization exist. All a conspiracy is, is a set of people conspiring to achieve an outcome. This very website is replete with hard evidence of conspiracies that were successful.

    Guess what. The Marshall Plan was an event that involved thousands, not just dozens. And no one in the general public was made aware of what it was until after the event. And even the legitimacy of that event and ‘plan’ is in question – as I believe rather then being a radioactive wasteland now and thousands of years into the future both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving metropolises today.

    https://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/connecticut/ct-law-to-restrict-newtown-photos

    “Gov. Dannel P. Malloy signed legislation into law Wednesday that prevents the public release of crime scene photos and video evidence from the Connecticut school shootings that took the lives of 20 first graders and six school employees. The new law, a result of efforts to balance private and public interests, creates an exemption to the state’s Freedom of Information Act and applies to homicides in Connecticut….”

    That stinks to high heaven. As does the fact that the link no longer is viable.

    You can believe Adam Lanza killed 20 kids in 5 minutes if you like. Or, you can believe the multiple witness statements attesting to multiple shooters dressed in military equipment.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340113

    Lanza’s weapon wasn’t even automatic, or semi-automatic. It was a shotgun. So why was there sounds of automatic gun fire? This was after the story from authorities on the weapons used changed at least 4 times.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/09/no-murders-in-newton-ct.html

    There is the FBI report – the link itself has also been wiped. Not one city in Connecticut reported 26 murders for the ENTIRE YEAR.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/request-gun-permits-double-newtown-connecticut-article-1.1426754

    What’s very heartening is that actually gun purchases in Connecticut have gone way up. All these attempts to emotionally blackmail and legal-warfare the US into disarming are having the opposite effect of what is intended.

    Good. It’s a simple rule. SJW’s always lie. The media always lies. The government almost always lies.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-newtown/relief-in-newtown-over-plan-to-replace-school-at-site-of-massacre-idUSBRE94B00K20130512?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

    They destroyed the School. So no evidence is allowed to be viewed via special ordinance, and the whole site has been destroyed anyway. Just like Epstein’s Island etc, the 9/11 site. It’s utterly ridiculous.

    The media, the police, and the Deep State always lie. Always. There is more then enough evidence and evidence of destruction of evidence that Jim Fetzer is probably right. I admire Unz greatly, but I think he has too much faith still in US Authorities.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @Come On Now
  289. Gast says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I don’t know why you direct that comment to me. As I have already stated in my first comment I am very open to your thesis that Sandy Hook was a staged event, and I share your thesis that there are a lot of other staged events. Since I don’t follow your site any more I don’t know whether you analyze those events in a manner I would approve of, but this might well be the case. So I don’t doubt your analytical mind, your method etc.

    But I gave my reasons that you may be nonetheless an agent for the jews and the “deep state” (an euphemism for jewish power). I don’t want to repeat these reasons.

    And let’s not forget that the subject of this thread is the trial in which you were allegedly fined to pay nearly half a million dollar. I have my doubts that this trial happened in the way Kevin Barrett has described it since I doubt that a real trial can be so utterly outrageous. More importantly, you don’t act here like man who was just sentenced to pay a sum which he probably cannot afford and who is therefore ruined. So this whole trial may well be another fake event by which the deep state (of which you may well be a part of) tries to boost the credibility of an agent (you!) or simply tries to intimidate the goyim to never question the official narrative if they don’t want to end like you (allegedly!).

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  290. @Flint Clint

    Marshall Plan should be Manhatten Project.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  291. JoeFour says:
    @Twodees Partain

    My understanding is that Remington bought out Bushmaster some years back (before Sandy Hook) and retained, and continued to use, the Bushmaster name for its production-line of AR-type rifles.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  292. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Except….

    1. Parents did sue the Sandy Hook School District and lost on appeal

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-sandy-hook/sandy-hook-parents-lose-state-court-appeal-against-newtown-over-school-shooting-idUSKCN1U72NK

    2. The school board was awarded nearly $50 million – NOT to rebuild one school.

    The money was used to demolish the school, buy neighboring land, and rebuild the school with advanced security features

    PLUS

    increase security in the other 6 schools in the district, hire 3 new counselors, 5 psychologists, 3 social workers and more security officers that all service THE ENTIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-awards-more-64-million-grants-connecticut%E2%80%99s-newtown-public-school-district-further-support-recovery-efforts

    https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Newtown-receives-3-1-million-federal-grant-5732407.php

    3. Smiling, laughing, etc are common responses when people try to minimize stress and trauma, especially when people are in shock.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/healing-trauma-s-wounds/201509/why-clients-smile-when-talking-about-trauma-part-1

    4. The FBI report posts murders as divided by the local police agency that report the crimes. Newtown police didn’t report the murders because the Newtown police didn’t manage the crime scene, the state police did and they reported it in their statewide tally.

    yeah real obvious….so when did Obama come and get your guns since that is apparently the goal?

    Come on Now

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  293. @Twodees Partain

    LOL not trying to shut down the conversation at all.

    Saw a ton of media about the case which lead me to this article.

    Honestly trying to understand how people can believe that hundreds of people can be in on this and no one lets it slip.

    Not sure why asking questions or challenging things that don’t make sense is pitiful…but ok.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  294. @Flint Clint

    I am not saying that conspiracies can’t or don’t happen.

    I AM saying that the idea that hundreds of people, their extended families, their children, their exes, etc etc sticking with the story for years is ridiculous.

    The FBI report posts murders as divided by the local police agency that report the crimes. Newtown police didn’t report the murders because the Newtown police didn’t manage the crime scene, the state police did and they reported it in their statewide tally.

    I agree that the media lie, the police lie, the government lies….but that doesn’t mean that everything that happens is a conspiracy.

    As a guess, from what the parent’s have had to endure, the Governor signed legislation designed to prevent people from harassing grieving families with photos of their murdered loved ones.

    What if you are wrong? What if Fetzer and others like him are simply wrong and have focused on people who are trying to grieve? Isn’t there one little piece of you that can admit that you guys could be wrong?

  295. @Come On Now

    “Except….

    1. Parents did sue the Sandy Hook School District and lost on appeal

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-sandy-hook/sandy-hook-parents-lose-state-court-appeal-against-newtown-over-school-shooting-idUSKCN1U72NK”

    Of course they lost; that’s what was supposed to happen. It was a frivolous lawsuit which was part of the psyop.

    OTOH, if there were real parents who lost real children in a real mass shooting, and they filed a real lawsuit, they would have sued not only the school district, but the cops (or whomever it was that apparently prevented medical personnel from having access to the victims). They’d point to the “fact” that there were no survivors which implies that the victims were denied emergency medical care, and that would involve the coroner; and they’d hire an independent pathologist, etc.

    But because the whole thing was a hoax, none of that happened.

    • Replies: @Come On Now
  296. @Come On Now

    It actually doesn’t matter if I’m wrong, or Fetzer is wrong.

    The issue is the ability to even question an official narrative, of any kind.

    Fetzer could be wrong, and I could be wrong. But there is certainly a large set of anomalies related to Sandy Hook, just as there are to a whole set of contemporary events.

    I haven’t even included witness evidence from teachers about multiple shooters with heavy equipment. I don’t know the veracity of those statements – but if I was a parent of a dead child, I’d be appalled if eye-witness testimony on the ground as to real killers was suppressed.

    The Vegas shooting is even more ridiculous then Sandy Hook.

    How did Lanza kill 20 people in a few minutes with a shotgun?

    If Snopes or whatever says it didn’t happen, it almost certainly did happen. It’s a catch-22. Facts that are real are relegated to peripheral sources precisely due to the suppression they allege. Hence why Unz himself is called a crackpot for his sourced and cited material – because it’s peripheral. It seems to me utterly ridiculous to make general statements about ‘conspiracies’ on this website.

    “The FBI report posts murders as divided by the local police agency that report the crimes. Newtown police didn’t report the murders because the Newtown police didn’t manage the crime scene, the state police did and they reported it in their statewide tally.”

    Whoooooooosh.

    https://governmentslaves.news/2013/01/10/eyewitness-reports-multiple-shooters-at-sandy-hook-one-may-be-wearing-a-nun-outfit/

    This site has what you would regard as conspiracy theory.

    It’s a bad, bad, bad thing, when the only narrative that can be accepted comes from official journalists. Or maybe from David Brock and Media Matters: https://www.wnd.com/2018/08/mask-off-social-media-censor-king-revealed/

    The scepticism regarding Sandy Hook is just representative of suppression of any questioning of official narratives generally.

    Can’t question Sandy Hook. How dare you suggest Nogs commit crime: https://www.infowars.com/google-removes-fake-news-that-black-people-commit-more-crimes/

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/paul-craig-roberts/journalists-are-prostitutes/: Or of this kind.

    That’s the more important issue.

    I don’t know how personal and specific Mr Fetzer was, but in the general sense it absolutely is imperative that the feelings of persons named in connection to an event cannot prohibit analysis of said event.

    If the families did lose children, genuinely, then I think it does them a disservice actually if they’ve been lied to.

    On the other hand, anyone who says conspiracies can’t exist is a moron, and the mere fact there were some high numbers involved in this instance is completely irrelevant.

    How anyone can come to this website, where it has been demonstrated that even thousands of people of significant power and prestige in high office can simply be powerless against a false narrative, and say conspiracy can’t exist is perplexing.

    If AJP Taylor can be memory holed, and World War 2 which involved millions of people, falsified, why is it so hard to think a few dozen families and apparently individuals who attend multiple mass shooting events couldn’t hold their counsel?

    The fact there were drills going on at the same time, as always, means most people in situ probably didn’t even realise there was anything awry.

    9/11 must have involved lots of people as well – and everyone knows that the official narrative of 9/11 is complete and utter rubbish.

  297. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Even the FBI’s Consolidated Crime Report for 2012 had zero (0) murders in Newtown. Nada. Zip. Zilch. None. Don’t you get it?

    LOL…..

    The FBI report said no murders were reported by ‘NewTown Police’ for the year of 2012

    https://vault.fbi.gov/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting

    BECAUSE…..the State Troopers were called in, handled the scene, collected evidence and they reported the murders.

    How stupid could you be not to know that?

    Here, read their reports.:

    https://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/

    Your conspiracy presentation is glaringly incompetent, and full of omissions ….and I’m saying incompetent instead of full of lies because I have to assume you are just ignorant and have no idea how to investigate anything.

    So now I suppose we have to add the State Troopers and State Government to the FEMA, FBI, CIA, Newtown Police, fake medics, 26 families and the entire town of Newtown to your list of participants in the hoax.

    Nut case.

  298. Antares says:
    @Germanicus

    Why would an agency stage an event including dead, if a training/exercise suddenly becoming a real situation would do, including real dead corpses? Am I supposed to believe these agencies or rogue elements who run these operations care for human life?

    I have the impression that they need the cooperation of the legal powers. There is for example always an exercise at the same place and at the same time.

    And it is not so hard to keep something secret. Each involved person only knows its own limited role. Judges can be controlled. The press has many controlled writers in its ranks. The secret services (hence their name) won’t tell anything. And don’t forget that ‘victims’ are always jewish. Among millions of jews it should not be hard to find some staunch zionists, where their ethnicity immediately convinces all other jews of the veracity of their stories.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  299. Antares says:
    @onebornfree

    I don’t think that it will have much impact on a website that attracts people like us. My browser doesn’t even need an ad blocker, it is a standard feature.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  300. Antares says:
    @Gast

    It is indeed suspicious, although not impossible, that a professor in nothing becomes a writer on terrorism and false flags. Although I find mister Fetzer strong in his written presentations, I cannot bear his other presentations, nor his reactions on your comment. I am also very suspicious about his past at Veterans Today because I have learned to distrust that site by experience.

    And before people might react angrily, isn’t it our task to suspect everything and ponder all possibilites?

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  301. @Flint Clint

    “A plane flew into one of the WTC towers…!!!!”

    “Is this a drill or not…?”

    Nuff said.

  302. Parfois1 says:
    @renfro

    If anyone is left bleeding on this stage its you.

    You are stating categorically by implication that those who attempt to expose the lies officialdom dishes out regularly on-your-face of Public Joe deserve nothing less than contempt for their selfless efforts and courage.

    Those brave souls deserve much more than our admiration and support, especially when they are vilified by those of lesser courage and moral fortitude who have nothing to show other than their capacity for denigrating the work of their betters.

    Jim Fetzer no doubt lacks the material resources to closely investigate the countless instances of the corrupt Deep State’s malfeasances in its quest to deceive and oppress the plebes. For that, instead of being deservedly praised, he gets scorned and insulted. Nevertheless, something is revealed – the UR readers and contributors know on what side you are.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @renfro
  303. eah says:
    @Come On Now

    No way.

    Three simple questions — just answer ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ to each, if you will:

    Do you

    1) Accept the Warren Report finding (‘single bullet theory’) that LHO was the lone assassin of JFK?

    2) Fully believe the official story about 9/11, including building collapses (especially WTC-7)?

    3) Think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?

    If you answer ‘Yes’ to all of the above questions, then there’s nothing more to discuss — but if you answer ‘No’, or anything other than an unqualified ‘Yes’, then you ought to reconsider your ‘no way’ stance.

    Lastly, a couple of additional question re SH; perhaps you will answer:

    –How much time (eg hours) have you spent studying SH skeptic material?
    –Have you read Fetzer’s book ‘No One Died At Sandy Hook’?

    • Replies: @Come On Now
  304. Parfois1 says:
    @Pegasus

    Quite a few people in the US, especially blacks, genuinely believe that the criminal system is rigged against them. I do not think that to be the case, but still I suspect there is a grain of truth in that belief.

    You appear to believe that the blindfolded symbol of Justice represents the reality of the justice system on the ground. That symbol’s function is to blind the people from the reality, to create an aura of impartiality when it passes judgements.

    When I was studying law I came across one survey among legal practitioners (barristers and solicitors) on that very subject: whether the legal system was dispensing justice. The result was an eye-opener 2/3 majority against that perception.

    The justice system reflects the social currents prevailing in a given society, including its prejudices and inequities. For instance, it’s a proven fact that unrepresented litigants (obviously the needy) get the rough end of the system’s stick.

    I’m talking about the normal run of the mill cases in both criminal and civil fora. But when it comes to matters of a controversial nature, it is a given certainty that the justice system sides with the powers that be. Look at how the US constitution has been eviscerated by judicial fiat.

    • Agree: Daniel Rich, Iris
  305. eah says:
    @eah

    Another SH oddity: delivery of ‘porta potties’ — a short video of that here –> link — note it is very clear they were delivered on the day of the (alleged) killings, apparently within a few hours, meaning someone was given that task, and it had some priority.

    The delivery of porta potties struck many as unusual (and it is unusual for them to be delivered to what we are supposed to believe was the scene of an unexpected and shocking crime) — as some may know, Wolfgang Halbig was threatened with legal measures simply for making phone calls inquiring 1) who ordered the porta potties?, and 2) when were they ordered?

    Other obvious questions: who would think of porta potties at a time like that? — who paid for them? — why was Halbig threatened for requesting such simple, innocent-seeming info?

    There is no evidence whatsoever that even a single child was given emergency medical care — certainly no trauma helicopters were requested — yet they did think it important to have porta potties.

    ?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  306. @Come On Now

    “I am not saying that conspiracies can’t or don’t happen.

    I AM saying that the idea that hundreds of people, their extended families, their children, their exes, etc etc sticking with the story for years is ridiculous.”

    So according to you, Nazi Germany really did engage in a systematic genocidal extermination of 6 million jews?

  307. Parfois1 says:
    @Gast

    I hope I am not unfair. But I wanted to share my suspicions. People are too often to fast with their judgments.

    But you are unfair. I generally agree with the thrust of your comment regarding the need for an open mind to all potential causal links to suspicious state actions as well as actors involved in post-facto developments.

    However, when you elaborate on the reasons for your suspicions about Dr. Fetzer’s bona fides you fail to apply to him the standards you arrogate to yourself. After all, your beef with him appears to be the fact that he does not flaunt your views about Jews!

    He may have his reasons for not sharing your proclivities. Allow him some independence of thought and integrity, please!

  308. For those unaware of the ubiquitousness of “false flag” events, not just here but in Europe, too, here’s a review of 12-15 of these, which were unleashed here in America when Barack Obama nullified The Smith-Mundt Act of 1948, which had precluded the use of the same techniques of disinformation and propaganda within the US that were being used without, by The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 just in time to bring us Sandy Hook: Watch “How to Spot a ‘False Flag’: A Sampler of Representative Cases”: https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=4SUWR4HUBKS4

  309. @Flint Clint

    Again, I didn’t say that conspiracies don’t happen. I didn’t even say that this conspiracy theory didn’t happen.

    I asked about this specific conspiracy theory and when Fetzer claimed that no one filed a law suit against the school, I found articles about various law suits. When he claimed that the school got $50m, I found articles where it lays out clearly that $50 million went to the entire school district and included the hiring of 11 new in school people and updated ALL the schools in the district.

    People here are relying on Fetzer, but he isn’t even accurately relaying basic facts. Doesn’t that cause you a moment of pause?

    I think that you have the right to investigate whatever you want just like you have the right to believe what you want.

    But there is a difference between believing what you want and actively hunting down private citizens and harassing them, tormenting them all because you believe that you have the right to investigate an incident where the best that you can do is read other people’s accounts.

    Either 26 families agreed to allow a family member to be murdered and never mentioned it again…or 26 families agreed to pretend that they had children that never existed (what about the adults who clearly had two decades at least of documentation, photos etc?…or 26 families forced living children to pretend to be dead and become other people? What about the children and adults who survived?

    and 9/11….unless you believe that no one died at 9/11 (and as a NYer who knows people who died)….the people who died woudln’t have had to be in on the conspiracy…they were just victims. People at SH would have actively had to participate in the conspiracy.

    Again…and again…I didn’t say that conspiracies can’t and don’t happen. I am asking in this particular case…is your desire to be right more important that the suffering caused to people if you are wrong?

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @Iris
  310. @eah

    So by your logic…Sandy Hook had to happen because Epstein was wacked?

    Thank you, that is all I needed to know about your critical thinking.

    As I stated, my feed was over run with articles about this defamation case and so I started reading and ultimately ended up here.

    I asked a few questions and Fetzer himself apparently responded and each response was easy to debunk in a few seconds.

    He said parents didn’t sue the school, they did, they also sued the town.

    He said that the school board got $50m to rebuild SH elementary. They didn’t. They got $50m to demolish, rebuild, hire 11 new staff, hire security, and increase security features for 7 schools, the entire school district.

    He said that parents smiling and laughing prove that they are actors when even a 1st year student of psychology can tell you about nervous laughter and that when in shock, smiling and laughing is a common response to stress.

    He said that the FBI report didn’t list any murders by the Newtown Police. Thats true, they were listed by the state police since the state police took over the crime scene.

    Now if I didn’t know much about SH and I came to get basic info and the person purported to be the expert lied about each of his own points, that would cause me to question. But maybe you are more easily convinced than me.

    • Troll: eah
    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @eah
  311. @Harold Smith

    Well, Fetzer claimed that there were no suits and when I pointed out that there were suits, you respond “of course they lost.” So you now acknowledge that there were suits and Fetzer either lied or was ignorant of the facts.

    There were multiple suits and the school as well as town officials were sued. This is all really easy to look up.

    There were quite a few survivors, a quick google search comes up with interviews with dozens of survivors.

    Critical thinking. It’s a beautiful thing.

  312. @Flint Clint

    It actually doesn’t matter if I’m wrong, or Fetzer is wrong.

    But it does matter if in the pursuit of information, innocent people are harmed, harassed, intimidated, or defamed. I watched a show about this recently, the lengths to which people like Fetzer (including Fetzer) have gone to “get the truth.” They follow families, harass them on social media, make claims that they are “in on the conspiracy,” some even threaten. People can’t go to their own dead kids memorials because these nuts have staked out the grave side and ambushed them demanding answers.

    Nothing that has been said justifies inflicting more emotional harm on people who have had their kid or their spouse murdered.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  313. @Antares

    “Professor in nothing”? I graduated magna cum laude in philosophy from Princeton when Princeton was ranked #1 in the world in math, physics and philosophy. I resigned my commission as a Captain, USMC, to enter graduate school at Indiana in the history and the philosophy of science. In 1996, I was made a Distinguished McKnight University Professor by the University of Minnesota. My curriculum vitae are publicly available at http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/ I have 24+ academic books and 12+ conspiracy books. (Visit moonrockbooks.com) I spent 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning. Perhaps you ought to have taken one.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Antares
  314. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Come On Now

    What you believe did/did not happen at Sandy Hook that day, as opposed to what Fetzer believes, is irrelevant to the issue.

    Of course you are fully entitled to believe whatever you choose to believe and to publish those beliefs here and elsewhere, even in book form if you wished [providing you can find a publisher, I suppose].

    The issue is: does Fetzer have the same right [ in the US] to write/publish a book about the events of Sandy Hook from his perspective , or is his point of view to be suppressed, “by any means necessary” [eg “defamation lawsuits” with pre-determined outcomes]?

    Nobody here or anywhere else is being coerced into believing any of Mr Fetzers [now censored] claims about the events of Sandy Hook – believing what he claims is a simple matter of individual choice, nothing more, nothing less.

    If you think Fetzer is an idiot/ liar, that’s your free choice, and your responsibility[ultimately].

    If you had any “common sense” you’d at least fairly consider the possibility that the suppression of Fetzers book and others like it is an indication that he [Fetzer et al] is, at the very least, “right over the target”, or close to.

    “Regards” onebornfree

  315. @Come On Now

    Come on Now reveals his covert agenda by smearing the dedicated truth-seekers who have published in the books I have edited about JFK, 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando, Parkland and Charlottesville, which include many Ph.D.s, M.D., and others of distinction. None of us would stalk or harass anyone involved in these staged or orchestrated attacks. He is making this up out of whole cloth. We cannot abide liars, phonies and cheats. Come on Now here has burnished his credentials among them.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  316. eah says:
    @Come On Now

    So by your logic…Sandy Hook had to happen because Epstein was wacked?

    Actually, I said nothing of the sort — I just asked questions; did you somehow miss that? — instead of answering my simple questions, you put out some red herring non sequitur bullshit about what I supposedly believe, what my “logic” is — and then had the nerve to impugn my “critical thinking”.

    Dude, the problem with “critical thinking” is on your end — not to mention dishonesty and hypocrisy — if eg you believe “Epstein was wacked”, then clearly there were people involved in that, right? — more than a few, I would say — yet all have to date remained silent — which sort of undermines your ‘no way’ position, wouldn’t you say? — but you are too stupid and dishonest to see/admit that.

    He said that the school board got $50m to rebuild SH elementary. They didn’t. They got $50m to demolish, rebuild, hire 11 new staff, hire security, and increase security features for 7 schools, the entire school district.

    I recall seeing the cost to build an average elementary school (of average size in sq ft) in the US is $7-8m — for CT, a higher cost state, we can round that up to $10m — are you suggesting that the extra $40m was “to demolish … hire 11 new staff, hire security, and increase security features for 7 schools”, ie 4x as much as to build the school? — now, I don’t know how much money they got or how they spent it — nor would I say that part of SH is really important — but I found your comment “LOL” ludicrous.

    Finally, listen up mother fucker — I don’t appreciate it when someone says or implies that I believe this or I believe that — if you or anyone else wants to know what I believe, just ask me — but don’t put in a comment any kind of claim or speculation about what I believe or what my “logic” is — got it?

  317. @Twodees Partain

    I made no such claim, knucklehead. Apparently you can’t read, you don’t comprehend what you read, or you’re just being dishonest again.

  318. eah says:
    @Come On Now

    link

    While calling the case “undeniably tragic,” the appeals court ruled 3-0 on Friday against the parents of Jesse Lewis and Noah Pozner, and agreed with a lower court judge that governmental immunity shielded the defendants.

    Speaking of “critical thinking”, let’s do some — is “governmental immunity” something new? — or is it more a longstanding fundamental precedent? — meaning such a lawsuit was hopeless from the beginning — why would any lawyer take such a case on retainer when there is no hope of winning due to a longstanding fundamental precedent? — why would a plaintiff pay the substantial cost to file such a guaranteed losing lawsuit? — why would a court not dismiss such a suit immediately? — what was there to appeal? — does any of that really make sense?

    I did not follow lawsuit activity after SH — but I think any activity directed at authorities was trivial compared to the energy and attention given to suits against gun makers — and that is something to think about.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  319. @Flint Clint

    Another great example was this secret (Japanese American “private” census data released to authorities during WW II) that was kept for sixty-five years:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-the-us-census-b/

    The U.S. Census Bureau swore up and down they never ever ever released personal information on Americans to law enforcement authorities.

    _Everybody_ who knew kept quiet.

    Anyone who thought otherwise was a wacko conspiracy theorist.

    There probably were dozens in not hundreds of people who _knew_ this was a lie–and they stayed silent.

    There was not one whistleblower in this case for sixty-five years!

  320. @Jett Rucker

    If that’s the case, then they were secular Jews, something I hadn’t read about. Otherwise, the boy would have been buried within a day then shiva held at Pozner’s home.

    And there wouldn’t have been an open casket. That is not done, so perhaps they were secular Jews after all.

    When Pozner was interviewed, it was obvious he was an Israeli by virtue of his accent. This was never mentioned.

    Many questions.

  321. onebornfree says: • Website

    From another Barrett thread at this site : “…the publisher of Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, decided to pull the book after he spent time with Lenny Pozner and came to believe that Pozner is telling the truth about losing his son Noah in the Sandy Hook school massacre….

    See: http://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_dave-gahary-on-free-speech-sandy-hook-trumps-syria-withdrawal/

    Sounds to me like Fetzer needs a new publisher, someone at least with a firm understanding of US free speech principles [ assuming the publisher is not been covertly “leaned on” by the FBI et al and cannot disclose that ].

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Daniel Rich
  322. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Antares

    I hope you’re right .

    Regards, onebornfree

  323. @eah

    And so, Mr. Renfor has lost his argument by virtue of his invective, thereby summarily losing all credibility and that’s a pity since there were actually some interesting links.

    • LOL: renfro
  324. @Come On Now

    “Well, Fetzer claimed that there were no suits and when I pointed out that there were suits, you respond “of course they lost.” So you now acknowledge that there were suits and Fetzer either lied or was ignorant of the facts.”

    First, my point was that the lawsuit (if one was actually brought against the school district by Pozner et al. in the first place) was no more “real” than the corpses. So in a sense Jim Fetzer was right.

    Second, in making my reply, I assumed that a lawsuit was filed solely on the basis of an online article at courant(dot)com. Ant the article in the Hartford Courant, by itself, actually proves nothing.

    “There were multiple suits and the school as well as town officials were sued. This is all really easy to look up.”

    Prove it.

    “There were quite a few survivors, a quick google search comes up with interviews with dozens of survivors.”

    First define “survivor” and provide verifiable examples; prove it. Prove that there were actual students or staff with actual bullet wounds who survived.

    (In the Columbine shooting – a REAL mass shooting that involved two gunmen – there were something like 15 deaths and 24 injuries. This by itself is strong circumstantial evidence that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax).

    Also in the Columbine case, the family of one of the victims filed a lawsuit against the cops or sheriff’s office or whomever, for preventing one of the victims from receiving prompt medical attention – and the plaintiff won. If the Sandy Hook shooting was real, a similar lawsuit would’ve been filed, but it wasn’t, and this is more strong circumstantial evidence of fraud).

    So in summary, Jim Fetzer’s correct, the Sandy Hook mass-shooting shooting is a fraud, and you’re simply an asshole.

  325. @Come On Now

    “Critical thinking. It’s a beautiful thing.”

    You should actually try it some time, goofball.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  326. @Harold Smith

    Lt. Paul Vance of the state police said that the so called bodies of the students were left in the school overnight and were removed the next morning, that statement alone says that the whole thing was a hoax as no one would leave their dead child in a school overnight, they think were dumber than a box of rocks!

    When the zionists control the MSM lies can be presented as truth and no one can say jack shit!

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  327. Mike P says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Don’t feed the trolls. Philosophy of science is a rich and fascinating field, and of course you need to understand both logic and at least some field of empirical science well in order to succeed in it. There is no point in arguing with people who look down on anything but their own narrow specialty.

  328. Mike P says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I read your book on Sandy Hook and believe it to be essentially true. However, as you doubtlessly know, it is very difficult to undertake any sort of complex investigation and commit no errors. It seems that Come on now has identified two – there seems to have been a lawsuit, interestingly also involving that Pozner character, and the death count would indeed not have shown in the statistics of the city police. Neither of these points materially weakens your case, but you need to deal with them properly – either offer a convincing factual rebuttal, or simply acknowledge that you were wrong.

    You probably taught in your classes the importance of acknowledging mistakes for scientific progress. The same applies in public discourse.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
    , @eah
  329. Only a jew could use lawfare to successfully monetize the alleged murder of his son. A gentile would never even think to try.

  330. @DESERT FOX

    Is there a single aspect of the Sandy Hook mass shooting hoax that isn’t laughably absurd? I think not.

    IIRC the narrative goes something like this: A skinny vegan kid with no apparent motive, no training and no history of violence goes on a rampage in a school for no apparent reason, leaving a death toll that highly motivated, trained and experienced ISIS gunmen, for example, could only dream about. Seriously?

    (And the gunman is publicly named almost immediately? Seriously?)

    Then, at some arbitrary point in time when there are still targets in the area and the gunman still has ammo and functional weapons, he decides to shoot himself in the head with a 10 mm pistol. Seriously? Why not take out some more targets? Why not shoot it out with the cops? None of it makes any sense whatsoever.

    Moreover, his hat is found (and put on public display) with a neat hole in it, and a few strands of hair, but without a visible trace of blood or brain matter. Can you imagine that? We’re expected to believe that he shot himself in the head with a 10 mm round (a very powerful round with at least 650 ft lbs of muzzle energy) and the inside of the hat is clean? Seriously?

    I have to believe these hoaxes are absurd by design; they’re not only intended to incrementally advance an objective agenda, e.g., “gun control” but to taunt; to demoralize.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Mike P
  331. @eah

    “Speaking of “critical thinking”, let’s do some — is ‘governmental immunity’ something new? — or is it more a longstanding fundamental precedent? — meaning such a lawsuit was hopeless from the beginning — why would any lawyer take such a case on retainer when there is no hope of winning due to a longstanding fundamental precedent? — why would a plaintiff pay the substantial cost to file such a guaranteed losing lawsuit? — why would a court not dismiss such a suit immediately? — what was there to appeal? — does any of that really make sense?”

    Exactly! And the one issue that had merit – the apparent, inexplicable denial of emergency medical care to the victims – went conspicuously unchallenged.

    In the real world of course, some of the victims’ families would’ve at least hired an independent pathologist to examine the victims’ bodies to see if they might have survived with prompt medical attention. The whole thing is absurd on its face.

  332. @Come On Now

    “...the only way to keep a secret is to tell no one.

    There is no way that the hundreds of people who would have had to be involved in a cover-up, could have kept the secret that SH was a staged event. No way.“

    You appear to be extremely naïve or just delusional about how organized perception management and mass media propaganda works nowadays.

    Guess what? THIS IS NO SECRET.

    Alone through word of mouth there must be at least a million people in America who already understand that this Sandy Hook incident was a hoax, but they happen to be scattered and not in control of public broadcasting. In the context of what the vast majority of the population believes, this number is negligible.

    Another related example: After more than 18 years there are surely already millions of intelligent people throughout the world who realize that the three World Trade Center buildings in lower Manhattan were brought down by underground nuclear explosions on September 11, 2001, but do not speak out openly about it because they are neither collectively organized nor in control of the mass media message.

    Unless they all boldly speak out publicly, just a few million people throughout the world knowing something supposedly “secretive” (under active suppression) is negligible in comparison to billions of people believing contrived nonsense.

    For latecomers to the documented nuclear holocaust in New York City, here are two links to help you understand crucial information that has been commonly withheld, especially suited for those individuals who have had the benefit of a scientific education:

    Public presentation in London on April 2017 – PDF of PowerPoint presentation:
    https://resistance71.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/911_history_en.pdf

    Web site with a dozen chapters as tabs:
    http://911history.de

  333. Antares says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I spent 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning.

    Yes, and I had to apply logic, thinking and reasoning.

    One of the complaints was that you hide behind titles, reputation and so on and that is exactly what you produced here again. If you take my tongue-in-cheek “professor in nothing,” where I mean philosophy, as a personal attack than you’d better watched for reasoning and arguments. I was not too hard on you.

    I would have been much more convinced if you had reacted in a cool, playful manner and just thrown out some undeniable truths about the case, of which I am actually already convinced.

  334. @Harold Smith

    Agree, they not only pull off the hoax, they have to rub our noses in it, and the zionist controlled MSM lets them get away with it!

  335. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    Also. what Fetzer and Gahary probably do not realize at this point is that if they cave and “Pozner” wins on appeal, then that immediately will open the door to many other frivolous lawsuits filed on behalf of the alleged families child victims, at least, as far as I can see.

    These people will not quit -once you admit you were/are “wrong” you are done for. Most likely,then, they’ll tear Fetzer and Gahary apart [and all of the other Moon Rocks books will also be withdrawn from publication].

    These people [Fetzer and Gahary] need a deadly serious, hard-core 1st amendment specialty lawyer team ,and to stop BS’ing around with minor “he said/she said”, “such and such document is a forgery” type nonsense arguments, or they are going to be in serious trouble.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  336. Mike P says:
    @Harold Smith

    Can you imagine that? We’re expected to believe that he shot himself in the head with a 10 mm round (a very powerful round with at least 650 ft lbs of muzzle energy) and the inside of the hat is clean? Seriously?

    I have to believe these hoaxes are absurd by design; they’re not only intended to incrementally advance an objective agenda, e.g., “gun control” but to taunt; to demoralize.

    Another possibility is that some people who were coerced into participating left clues on purpose, while avoiding the personal retributions they would likely face for overt whistle-blowing. Maybe that applies to the person in charge of decorating that hat.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  337. @Mike P

    I would have to disagree, in part because there are just too many in-your-face absurdities associated with every (or almost every) one of their treacherous acts, IMO. Books could be written detailing all the absurdities.

    Even when our masters are “caught red-handed” – as they basically were in the case of the so-called “underwear bomber” for example – no one is ever charged or held accountable in any way.

    I can only conclude that there is an intent to demoralize: “See we can do whatever we want to; we can commit any crime, no matter how obvious it is, and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.”

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  338. @Harold Smith

    Are some of these lawsuits just to keep the “big lie ” alive and in front of the public and to “pepper” the story ? Also did anyone die at Columbine ? See : “The Un-Dead of Columbine – Rachel Scott ” at
    archive.org and “The Columbine massacre : a tragedy without tears ” at pieceofmindful.com
    As Russ Winter at winterwatch.net has noted ” The reason ‘staged deceptions’ are preferred
    (in the US) … is primarly because real victims and their survivors go off the rails and can’t be controlled . False flags with real death get very messy , whereas staged deceptions can be directed and manipulated . Fakes can and do read off of a script . “

    • Replies: @dimples
  339. Iris says:
    @Parfois1

    Jim Fetzer no doubt lacks the material resources to closely investigate the countless instances of the corrupt Deep State’s malfeasances in its quest to deceive and oppress the plebes. For that, instead of being deservedly praised, he gets scorned and insulted.

    Wholeheartedly agree, dear Parfois. Sinceres amities et grosses bises.

  340. @Come On Now

    For your consideration:

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/09/23/modify-the-standards-of-the-in-group-on-jews-and-mass-communications-part-one-of-two/

    +

    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-asES-WBBT_9-wRlF/George%20Bush%20The%20Unauthorized%20Biography_djvu.txt

    TPTB only care about themselves and their well being, The rest [like voting] is carefully orchestrated Kabuki theater. Don’t look outside the cave. It’s scary.

  341. Iris says:
    @Come On Now

    I am asking in this particular case…is your desire to be right more important that the suffering caused to people if you are wrong?

    In France exists a sentence called “1 euro symbolique pour prejudice moral“, whereby a defendant that is convicted of a morally wrong action is obliged to pay only one (1) symbolical euro to the plaintiff, but is made publicly responsible and guilty in the eyes of society.

    If Pozner was sincere and really motivated by defending his son’s memory, he wouldn’t be using his son’s life to make money at the expense of somebody else’s very survival.

    If I was in Pozner’s shoes, I would defend my son’s name, but wouldn’t associate his memory to the iniquity somebody and their family being bankrupt and thrown to the street.

    People who do so are, by no coincidence, often Zionists: they pretend to care about morals, but care above all about money and destroying the livelihood of anybody who dares standing up to them. We know the game; we have a lot of this happening in Europe too.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  342. @onebornfree

    I don’t care whether Fetzer is right or not, to me that’s not the issue at all. What I do care about is his right to express his views, like all those who oppose his books, findings and statements are equally entitled to say what they want.

    With Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Apple, Amazon and ‘Fill in the Blanks’ actively in the business of ‘Burning Books’ and ‘Silencing Voices,’ my concern is about my freedom of speech, thought and the ability to express myself [regardless whether in dis/agreement] as well as yours and all others.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  343. @Iris

    Mr. Frank, the forger [the reason the family got arrested], made quite a few dineros out of the misery of his family…

    Poor Anne died of typhus, instead of being tossed into the shower/oven [right away]. Talk about getting your story straight…

    “3 million less dead [Poland]?”

    “Yes.”

    “But still 6 million dead?”

    “Yes.”

    “Who does the meth math?”

    “Guilt does.”

    • Replies: @Iris
  344. renfro says:
    @Parfois1

    If anyone is left bleeding on this stage its you.

    You are stating categorically by implication that those who attempt to expose the lies officialdom dishes out regularly on-your-face of Public Joe deserve nothing less than contempt for their selfless efforts and courage.

    I hope you have a towel handy because I am going to explain people like you and the other sheep on this thread.

    You all have a common belief…..the government lies to us.
    You then take that sometimes legitimate belief and apply it to any conspiracy theory that pops up.
    You ignore any evidence such as the info posted here on the fact that the Sandy Hook school was indeed open and Fetzer’s lie about the deaths not being reported….which they were by the State police…but he omitted that because it wouldn’t fit his claim that no one died.

    Ignoring (official) information that disproves some critical claims by Fetzers and on what you want to believe is called confirmation bias .
    People like you who think every crackpot conspiracy theory that comes along is true instead of using objectivity to examine different events do that because first, you are too lazy to do your own research ….everything Fetzer left out of his book is available to the public.
    Second it makes you feel good because it confirms your fears..the government always lies.
    Third it makes you part of the ‘in the know crowd’ …you can feel smug about knowing the read deal as opposed to the stupids who don’t get it.
    People who jump onto any conspiracy theory usually do so because of their feelings of powerlessness in a dangerous world and they get comfort in at least knowing who or what to blame and comfort in flocking together with others of the same feeling and beliefs.

    Just like Fetzer, you followers respond to evidence against Fetzers claims by ignoring them . Fetzer when confronted with the evidence wont respond and instead of answering it babbles on about his academics and his followers respond to it by tossing out moronic insults instead of checking it out.

    Smart you are not.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  345. @eah

    That is a very good question since every school already has toilet facilities both for staff and students. The portable potties were obviously ordered so that people wouldn’t have to enter the school while a drill was underway, otherwise in a “normal” situation people would use whichever facilities were the least connected to the crime scene. I would be surprised if porta potty suppliers can mobilise delivery very quickly on such short notice anyway.

    • Replies: @eah
  346. Iris says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Mr. Frank, the forger [the reason the family got arrested], made quite a few dineros out of the misery of his family…

    Was he?

    Like all children, I read Anne Frank’s diary, and it broke my heart. I wanted to go back in time and save her.

    I grew up in an educated, left-leaning environment which abhorred racist ideas and, while strongly supporting the Palestinians, long viewed Israel mostly as a proxy being utilised by the USA for its imperial control over the Middle-East.

    These times are long gone. Outside the media, I don’t know of a single person who speaks positively of Israel the Leper State, not even in my very PC, very controlled professional environment.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  347. @JoeFour

    That could explain the lawsuit. I assumed that Bushmaster rifles were still a separate manufacturer and I was wondering how Remington was being sued. Thanks.

  348. @renfro

    Do you have a/ny satisfying explanation as to why the following did or didn’t happen [regarding Sandy Hook]:

    – Commonplace emergency protocols were abandoned.
    – There was no surge of EMTs into the building.
    – No proper triage protocol employed.
    – No Med-Evac helicopters called.
    – Parents were not even allowed to view and hold the bodies of their deceased children.
    – Law enforcement oddly admonished those who questioned the official narrative online were subject to criminal prosecution.

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/sfl-former-fau-professor-questions-whether-sandy-hook-massacre-was-staged-20151214-story.html

    https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-sandy-hook-supreme-court-decision-20181023-story.html

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @renfro
  349. @onebornfree

    I agree. They need, at least, a competent attorney or two. it might not matter who Fetzer gets to file an appeal. It appears that the fix is in. This judge should already be under fire for his actions in this trial.

  350. @Iris

    Yes, he did something illegal with rationing coupons.

    However, Otto Frank was a man of many virtues.

    “PARIS — When Otto Frank first published his daughter’s red-checked diary and notebooks, he wrote a prologue assuring readers that the book mostly contained her words, written while hiding from the Nazis in a secret annex of a factory in Amsterdam.

    But now the Swiss foundation that holds the copyright to “The Diary of Anne Frank” is alerting publishers that her father is not only the editor but also legally the co-author of the celebrated book.

    The move has a practical effect: It extends the copyright from Jan. 1, when it is set to expire in most of Europe, to the end of 2050. Copyrights in Europe generally end 70 years after an author’s death. Anne Frank died 70 years ago at Bergen-Belsen, a concentration camp, and Otto Frank died in 1980. Extending the copyright would block others from being able to publish the book without paying royalties or receiving permission.” – source NYT [behind paywall]

    As to your personal sentiments: I’ve come a long way, from a staunch defender of Occupied Palestine to a person who abhors what happens in that place. Like you, I find no voices around me applauding what that place stands for. Governments, politicians and the likes might me bought and payed for, not so ordinary citizens. And those are the ones they will eventually run into…

    • Agree: Iris
  351. @Daniel Rich

    Not only that but state police Lt. Paul Vance said the so called bodies were left in the school overnight and not removed until the next morning, who the hell would leave their dead child in the school overnight,,,the whole thing was bullshit!

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  352. renfro says:
    @eah

    the law enforcement guy who’s a dead ringer for David Wheeler carrying an assault weapon upside down by the magazine.

    LOL….the law enforcement guy in the picture is a law enforcement guy.

    He is State Trooper William Aldenberg and was one of the plaintiffs in the Alex Jones lawsuit specifically because Jones and pals claimed he was David Wheeler, father of one of the dead children.

    Alex Jones Lawsuit Complaint
    http://lmgcorporate.com/wfsb/news/lawsuit.pdf

    Page 3:

    28. Plantiff William Aldenberg was a first responder to Sandy Hook Elemetary School on December 14th, 2012, and was depicted in iconic photographs and video footage from those events. He has been antagonized by some of the defendants and their followers, who claim that he is a crisis actor. He resides in Worcester County, Massachusetts.

    D. Halbig also published images asserting that plaintiffs State Trooper Willian Aldenberg and David Wheeler are the same person.

    You keep proving over and over that there is no cure for stupid.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @eah
  353. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Daniel Rich

    Daniel Rich says: “I don’t care whether Fetzer is right or not, to me that’s not the issue at all. What I do care about is his right to express his views, like all those who oppose his books, findings and statements are equally entitled to say what they want.”

    I agree. And that’s exactly what I have stated [or at least tried to get across] in at least 3 prior posts to this thread.

    Regards, onebornfree

  354. All I care about are cold, hard facts.

    However, as happened with the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, the pulling off of 9/11, 7/7, invasions of foreign lands, shootings [Vegas, Sandy Hooks], when something doesn’t add up, as an outsider, there’s very little I can do to verify the actual truth.

    I still have my instincts [gut feeling, whatever you want to call it] and try to deduce why something doesn’t add up.

    For example: Boston bombing. I sat on the back of my buddy’s motorbike. Whatever happened, I am not sure, but the next thing I know, I’m flying through the air, land om my 2 feet, see my helmet roll in front of me. Confusion. My buddy lies on his back, with his shorts contorted. His face ashen white. Then I realize his right leg is missing [above the knee]. It was stuck between the bike and a tree [as I later found out]. The amount of blood squirting out of his leg was frightening. I managed to stop it [sneakers’ shoelaces + branch]. When medical personnel [finally] showed up they thought I’d was severely injured as well.

    So, when I compare that event to what happens to a guy with 2 legs blown off [Boston bombing], I know I’m being taken for a ride, based upon real life [and very personal] experiences.

    That’s where I’m coming from: logic and reason.

    I also don’t appreciate name calling [as some individuals resort to, including Mr. Fetzer], because it’s a waste of my time.

    I will always listen to the reasons why a person has arrived at his/her conclusions [backed up by evidence or not], that’s the least I can do. If I agree, we’re good. If I disagree I have to [try to] refute said conclusion with logic, reason and [where possible] verifiable facts.

    I’ve come to a point where whatever the governments tell me, I’l [automatically, by now] look in the opposite direction.

    TPTB really want all this infighting.

    It’s in their benefit.

    Not yours or mine.

    The truth doesn’t need a single law to protect it.

    Lies do.

  355. @DESERT FOX

    I would like to now how much blood, tissue and/or body parts have been removed from the Sandy Hook crime scene…?

    26 victims [apparently] shot with a AR-15 result in quit a bit of the above.

    Add to it Lanza’s apparent suicide [bullet through the head] and we’re talking about gallons of blood [alone] here.

  356. dimples says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    The same point applies. Why fake a massacre when it is an order of magnitude more expensive and complex, an order of magnitude more people to talk, etc. The only real difficulty with these events is setting up the patsy. In either case the difficulties are the same. If the shooting is real the patsy has to be set up to look like he/she/they did it. If the shooting is fake, the patsy has to be set up in the same way.

    Why do it the hard way??? Why fake all these identities for absolutely no reason when real identities will work perfectly well and perform the same function? If hoax believers can explain this satisfactorily this would be a giant leap forward for them. Permits for day trips out of the loony bin might be awarded by psychiatrists.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  357. dimples says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    “As Russ Winter at winterwatch.net has noted ” The reason ‘staged deceptions’ are preferred (in the US) … is primarily because real victims and their survivors go off the rails and can’t be controlled . False flags with real death get very messy , whereas staged deceptions can be directed and manipulated . Fakes can and do read off of a script . “

    How do real victims and their survivors go off the rails and can’t be controlled? The secret of the operation is pinning it on the patsy, the control of the media and the control of the judicial system. Even if the victims and their survivors said ‘It wasn’t him’, what would happen? Absolutely nothing. Can Russ Winter supply an example where ‘real victims and their survivors went off the rails and could not be controlled, thereby exposing the false flag? That would be a thing to see. The only example I can think of might be Liberty bombing, but that was not a false flag, merely a coverup.

    “False flags with real death get very messy”

    So do fake false flags apparently. What about having to bump off all the fake victims? Somebody’s got to do it.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  358. renfro says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Do you have a/ny satisfying explanation as to why the following did or didn’t happen [regarding Sandy Hook]:

    – Commonplace emergency protocols were abandoned.
    – There was no surge of EMTs into the building.
    – No proper triage protocol employed.
    – No Med-Evac helicopters called.
    – Parents were not even allowed to view and hold the bodies of their deceased children.
    – Law enforcement oddly admonished those who questioned the official narrative online were subject to criminal prosecution

    You are quoting James Tracy, a fellow hoaxer of Fetzer…..SO…I tell you what, you Tell Me Who told Tracy these things…..what is Tracy’s source?

    I have posted the reports that contain this information.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/194129089/Sandy-Hook-Shooting-Vanghele-Description-Of-Scene-Inside-School

    ”protocols were abandoned.”….WRONG…. It had a security protocol that called for doors to be locked during the day and visitors to be checked on a video monitor inside. You had to buzz in and out .When you buzz, you come up on a screen
    The lock system goes into effect at 9:30 each morning and all doors locked thereafter.
    THAT is why the shooter shot out the glass front doors.

    ”There was no surge of EMTs into the building.”…WRONG…no surge was needed, A EMT entered with the police 3 minutes after the shooter shot himself. They immediately started checking the bodies for any still breathing children. The dead children were in only two rooms, all dead except for two children and one teacher who were taken to Danbury hospital.

    ”No proper triage protocol employed.”….WRONG…there were EMT medical vans and ambulances. however there was nothing to “triage’…they were ALL dead except for the 3.

    ”No Med-Evac helicopters called.’…..There was a State Police helicopter on site. You do not med-evac dead bodies .

    ‘Parents were not even allowed to view and hold the bodies of their deceased children.””…FOR GOOD REASON …most of children had been shot 3 to 11 times and they had to be identified first.
    No one in their right mind is going to bring in scared crazy parents to a scene of such carnage to pawn thru bodies trying to find their child.

    The New York City medical examiner’s office sent a “portable morgue” to Newtown to help with the aftermath of the shootings, the children bodies were moved there by 10 pm after the morgue was set and after 4 additional searches were made of the school to ensure no live or dead children were left. There they were further identified ,cleaned up and photographed to notify parents.

    ‘Law enforcement oddly admonished those who questioned the official narrative online were subject to criminal prosecution’……Bullshit.

    Listen I could care less what you believe and my only purpose in answering you is to show you the ‘difference’ in what your hoax gurus say and what the people who were there say.

    But of course e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e was in on the hoax …..right? FEMA, FBI CIA State Police, Newtown Police, Fake children, Fake Parents, All the newspapers ,the whole town LOL

    You should learn how to get information somewhere besides youtube freaks and whatever ‘someone’ told you” . You people are useless to real conspiracy event investigation because you just lap up whatever some nut case says without question.

  359. @Daniel Rich

    Adam Lanza was a fictional person, made up, created and his picture was computer generated, Sandy Hook was Fema/DHS scam, there was a sign at the school saying to sign in, for the crisis actors, and on and on, total bullshit and lies.

    • Agree: onebornfree
    • Replies: @eah
  360. @dimples

    This is naive. After 9/11, the government realized killing people pisses off their relatives and friends and that it is far easier to manage these events to attain their political objectives by staging them. So FEMA uses millions of taxpayer dollars for CAPSTONE events like Sandy Hook to deceive the public.

    What pisses me off about this comment is that it misleads readers from the proof that Sandy Hook was a staged event, where we event have the FEMA manual for the event, which I published in the book as Appendix A. So dimples would have us ignore the proof by a manipulative post of his own. Not good.

    Other posts here, such as those from renfro, are pure disinformation. David Wheeler played two roles on 14 December 2012, one as a grieving father, one as a SWAT team member. He was carrying his AR-15 upside down by the magazine, which made him a target for outing. We talk about him in the book.

    renfro tells us it was actually William Aldenberg, who was a bona fide FBI agent. Now ask yourself, if it were a bona fide FBI agent, would he be carrying his AR-15 upside down by the magazine? Not even a Marine Corps recruit would do that, which means that the substitution of another guy doesn’t work.

    Here’s a lengthy discussion that attempts to palm off the Aldenberg story to cover-up a blunder at the scene: https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2018/11/05/did-sandy-hook-parent-david-wheeler-play-an-fbi-agent-on-december-14th-2012/ It appears to me that renfro is posting here on special assignment.

    • Replies: @dimples
  361. @renfro

    renfro is a propagandist who is here to mislead those who are beginning to see the light. To appreciate the dimensions of his fraudulent posts, download the book by putting its title in your browser followed by PDF. NOBODY DIED AT SANDY HOOK PDF. Read the Contributors page for a start. It’s all there.

    • LOL: renfro
  362. @Daniel Rich

    Kelley Watt has her own commercial and home cleaning company. She knew blood is a bio-hazard that has to be disposed of in accordance with protocols and formally documented. So she called to find out who cleaned up the blood. Nobody could answer the question. She was eventually directed to Lt. Paul Vance, who had been in charge. When she asked him the question, he replied, “What blood?”

    The workers hired to demolish the school building were required to sign life-time gag orders to never talk about anything they saw or did not see during its demolition, which would have included no pock marks on the wall from bullet hits and no blood on the floor. They have done their best to cover it up. I review the state of the school and other evidence in “Sandy Hook Update”. Check it out: 153news.net.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @eah
  363. @Mike P

    When I am convinced I have something wrong, I correct it. We corrected the date of the photograph of a CSI van in the parking lot before the alleged shooting took place from the morning of the 14th to the evening of the 13th based upon shadow analysis. It may be the single most powerful proof of fakery, because the windows of Classroom 10 were intact (when they would be shot out during the shooting) and yet there is crime scene tape up for a crime that has yet to be committed. We correct mistakes.

    What I do not follow is what you think we have wrong. “Lenny” has been involved in six or eight law suits, which have political or pecuniary motives. So we know about his lawsuits. He enumerated them during his video deposition, where I caught him making at least three false statements, as I noted in my own Affidavit. So I really don’t know what you are talking about. The FBI’s Consolidated Crime Report states there were no murders in Newtown (including Sandy Hook) during 2012. That’s a fact.

    On virtually every count, there is a fabricated explanation for why obvious evidence of fakery should not be taken to be obvious evidence of fakery. I have encountered many “renfro”s before in debates about Sandy Hook. No one who knows the facts of the matter, which we have documented in spades in the book, would be impressed. But by his assertive manner, he conveys the impression that he knows what he is talking about when he is being misleading. Read the book. Watch the video. It’s all there.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  364. renfro says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    She was eventually directed to Lt. Paul Vance, who had been in charge. When she asked him the question, he replied, “What blood?”

    HERE’s an idea! Why not go to the horse’s mouth.

    I have located former State Police Lt. Vance . Tomorrow I will see if I can find an email address for him at ch. 3 and ask him if you are quoting him correctly about the ”what blood”.

    Retired State Police Lt. Vance joins Ch. 3 as law enforcement analyst

    Posted May 1, 2019 0

    Retired CT State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance joins Ch. 3 as a law enforcement analyst (WFSB
    https://www.wfsb.com/news/retired-state-police-lt-vance-joins-ch-as-law-enforcement/article_867181f4-6c3f-11e9-a1e7-6344af776657.html
    excerpts…

    ”He served for 43 years, and spent more than 15 of those years as the CT State Police spokesperson.
    He also played a crucial role during the Sandy Hook school shooting.

    “My biggest fear was the pain and suffering the victims’ families endured. I didn’t want to compound that, and I tried not to add to that,” Vance said.
    He provided key information to a worldwide audience, and received praise for how he handled those dark days.

    “It was very, very difficult and tragic for not just me, but for everyone involved,” Vance said.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  365. Below is an example of the entire mass media, one of the largest corporations on the planet (Nike) and numerous “governing” bodies blocking the truth. But hey, cycling and the Tour de France are so much more important than the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Lance Armstrong…

    “Armstrong went to court to silence accusers, including former friends and colleagues, as well as media outlets, winning millions of dollars in settlements in the process.” – https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/23/arms-j23.html

    Armstrong, who went on denying taking drugs, dismissed the accusations and then sued the Sunday Times over a related article, leading to the paper paying out £1m in a libel settlement. –
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jan/28/lance-armstrong-sundaytimes

    https://www.businessinsider.com/new-report-shows-how-cyclings-world-governing-body-protected-lance-armstrong-2015-3?op=1&IR=T

  366. @renfro

    Forgot to add a link to the article, my bad.

    No idea why you need such anger to reply to my questions.

    OK, what happened to the blood, tissue and/or body parts [Sandy Hook]?

    Here’s an example of how ‘people are in on the take but remain silent‘ – Link to Moon of Alabama

  367. eah says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Yes; trying to be fair: if the school was a real crime scene, of course the bathrooms would not be available — if it was a drill, the school was still a simulated crime scene (eg for media benefit), so they probably would also not be available (?) — the fire station just up the street had bathrooms — men could urinate behind a tree — you can’t say porta potties made no sense; after all, there were a LOT of people milling around (who?, why?) — I don’t know how long it takes to deliver; a few hours seems feasible to me.

    In my video link, at least one porta potty is being dropped off at the fire station — I am pretty sure there is also video of a delivery to the parking lot in front of the school (?) — I believe they arrived just after lunchtime (first 911 call was approx 09:35) — why Halbig was threatened for asking about them is a question — it could be he was already known and resented as a “Sandy Hook truther”; I don’t know when he asked.

    But it should be possible to find out who ordered them and when, also who paid (taxpayers) — if they were actually ordered before the (alleged) shooting incident, obviously that is very sensitive info.

    ?

  368. eah says:
    @Mike P

    there seems to have been a lawsuit, interestingly also involving that Pozner character

    The stated lawsuit doesn’t really make a lot of sense; see comment #329 — the most significant lawsuit activity after SH was against gun manufacturers: a simple internet search shows this — so re the “conspiracy theory” that SH was staged/faked to push gun control, that shoe fits.

  369. Half-Jap says:
    @renfro

    You forgot to cite wikipedia for the authoritative, definitive facts on this matter.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  370. eah says:
    @renfro

    I didn’t say he was David Wheeler — I said he was a “dead ringer” for Wheeler — can you not read? — and the resemblance is amazing — also amazing is the coincidence that a law enforcement agent who is undeniably a dead ringer for SH parent David Wheeler would show up at the SH shooting scene — when DNA evidence is introduced at trial, they always give the odds that DNA found at the crime scene came from the suspect — what are the odds here?

    If a weapon carried that way were to accidentally discharge, the ricochet could kill someone — do you and/or Unz also find that possibility “LOL” funny?

    D. Halbig also published images asserting that plaintiffs State Trooper Willian Aldenberg and David Wheeler are the same person.

    I am not responsible for anything Halbig — or anyone else — does or says.

    You keep proving over and over that there is no cure for stupid.

    Actually, you keep proving that — as does Unz, who probably “LOL”ed your comment because he thinks you scored a point against me — apparently his reading comprehension is no better than yours.

    BTW, I’m still waiting for your definitive explanation of who killed JFK — since you said you thought the Warren Report was a coverup, you ought to provide this info, which is more or less the same (hypocritical) demand you made of Fetzer.

    Both you and Unz are apparently too stupid to see that as well.

    • Replies: @eah
  371. eah says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Asking about biohazard cleanup at SH was fair and reasonable; there must have been a great deal of it in the school — per this info and this video –> link, a company called CleanHarbors did the cleanup; the video shows what it says are the billing documents for this cleanup (perhaps also available in the official report about SH — ?) — apparently a CT state agency took care of it — Vance or anyone else asked about it may not have been aware of the details — if Vance said “What blood?”, then that is a bit strange, albeit also perhaps not that important.

  372. “And who the hell would leave dead children in the school overnight, but this just another one of the things that the state police Lt. Paul Vance said, the whole thing was a lie!”

    i don’t have much of a valid response here. Apparently the police leave bodies in of some populations for long periods of time to preserve crime scene. They could be overwhelmed. Certainly the government have been known to manufacture scenes, and it has become clear that police departments and others stage scenes for their own purposes, they make errors and they are not immune from covering up those errors with no small support from community and politicians. Government should be kept on a short leash — you get know beef from me on that.

    But this seems a bit much to overcome someone not spilling the beans. I might take a look at the case. But I am inclined to take the story as it is — though I could not find those comments of the police officer in question, if accurate, it’s an stunning admission, if he was in fact talking about the incident and not something related to the controversy itself.

    But given the commentary I have read, I will only that maybe all of those claims made by blacks about police conduct were not mere whines or figments of their imagination — just maybe they were subject as a population to processes that most of the community of the US found hard to believe.

    Interesting.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  373. eah says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Adam Lanza was a fictional person

    ? — however, the foto of him originally circulated is strange: he looks like a space alien, or the figure in Munch’s painting ‘The Scream’ — one wondered if they were trying to dehumanize him; but maybe it was the only fairly recent foto (?) of him available — you can find other fotos of him that appear to be from earlier years — in those he looks like a normal kid.

    AFAIK, no motive for his (alleged) acts (he killed his mother too) was ever made public — ?

    Also, as I said in an earlier comment, it is a bit strange that there is no foto of the dead Adam Lanza available publicly — in contrast, fotos of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris lying dead in the Columbine library are easy to find — I don’t see how publishing a foto of Adam Lanza lying dead inside Sandy Hook Elementary School would be an affront to the parents — it seems like something authorities could do to counter part of the speculation — ?

  374. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Actually, renfro is a sycophant to Unz and Giraldi. He lives for a pat on the head from either of them and is thrilled when Unz gives him an “Agree” or “LOL” tag. He’s also an incompetent shill who is usually ignored by most commenters here. Don’t give him any attention by stooping to his level.

    • Disagree: Cloak And Dagger
  375. @Antares

    And it is not so hard to keep something secret. Each involved person only knows its own limited role.

    It is. If you run an exercise that suddenly turns real, like 911, it only requires very few people in the know, the rest think it is an exercise, including the air defense for example.

    Hollywood show regularly, how such operations are done in tons of their movies.

    I just notice a pattern, as soon as the false flag circus moves, there are immediately people who claim “it’s all a hoax”. The aim of these psyop people is basically the “flat earth” effect, trying to discredit anyone who asks questions, and paint all doubters with the tin foil hat brush.

  376. utu says:

    Good site dealing with Fetzer nonsense:

    “While Jim Fetzer has been thoroughly exposed as a shameless fraud more times than anyone cares to count, folks will still occasionally ask me to look into one of his many outrageous lies regarding Sandy Hook. And while I really have to wonder why anyone bothers to pay the guy any mind these days, I’ll always make an effort to accommodate such requests as it is yet another opportunity to demonstrate what a total nitwit the guy is.”

    DID SANDY HOOK PARENT DAVID WHEELER PLAY AN FBI AGENT ON DECEMBER 14TH, 2012?
    https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2018/11/05/did-sandy-hook-parent-david-wheeler-play-an-fbi-agent-on-december-14th-2012/

    WAS GENE ROSEN IDENTIFIED AS AN OFFICIAL FEMA EMPLOYEE?
    https://www.crisisactorsguild.com/2019/05/20/was-gene-rosen-identified-as-an-official-fema-employee/#more-2330

  377. eah says:
    @eah

    State Trooper Willian Aldenberg

    Actually it appears William Aldenberg works for the FBI, not the state of CT –> link

    The Financial Fraud and Public Corruption Unit Award was presented to FBI Special Agents William Aldenberg, Stacy Bowery, Matthew McPhillips, and Jeffrey Waterman, whose investigative efforts led to the successful prosecution of eight individuals who engaged in a scheme to direct illegal contributions into the campaign of a candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives.

    He seems to be multi-talented: assault rifle carrying “first responder” at SH, he also investigates financial/campaign irregularities — maybe that explains why he was carrying the assault rifle in a way so that if it discharged the ricochet might kill someone.

    Also, it’s interesting that someone who (it says) lives in Worcester County, MA was a “first responder” at SH — where does he work? — the press release quoted above is from the FBI’s New Haven field office — if he works in New Haven, and lives in MA, he has a rather long commute (across the entire state of CT at the least) — it looks like you could drive from New Haven to SH in less than an hour.

  378. @renfro

    Where are the video tapes at the school, and state police Lt Paul Vance said the so called bodies were not removed until the next morning and Wayne Carver was visibly nervous when giving his report and contradicted himself several times during his presentation, mean while Lt. Paul Carver stood behind him making sure Wayne Carver did not mispeak.

    There is a hell of a lot more that proves this was a DHS/FEMA drill.

    • Replies: @eah
  379. Mike P says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    So we know about his lawsuits. He enumerated them during his video deposition, where I caught him making at least three false statements, as I noted in my own Affidavit. So I really don’t know what you are talking about.

    In you earlier comment, you had stated:

    No lawsuits were filed against the school or the district.

    In his reply, Come on now stated that indeed the school district was sued by Pozner. You haven’t addressed that.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  380. @CMC

    CMC,

    Reviewing parts of the discussion thread, I notice that you (several times) ask about the procedure in rendering the summary judgment. The Judge issued his order granting summary judgment to Pozner but never issued a written statement that explained his legal reasoning and thereby justified his decision. I was handicapped in preparing an Interlocutory Appeal because of the absence of an explanation. I listened to this critique of the case only yesterday, but it seems to have nailed why it was completely improper:

    http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/stop-the-presses-with-mark-anderson-10-11-19/

    Starts at 23:00 introducing the case

    Elements of libel beginning at 33:00

    Suggests this lawsuit “was a joke”!

    Should never have been brought in

    the first place and should have been

    thrown out by the Court at the start.

    I was unrepresented by legal counsel at the time, where I believe had I had an attorney, he would not have allowed the Court to abuse the Summary Judgment process. Sorry I didn’t explain all of this before.

    Jim

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @CMC
  381. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    There is almost always a written order or Judgment, (in fact I can’t imagine a Summary Judgment that is not written, though I suppose it could be possible) signed by the Judge.

    I asked to see a copy of it to see if I can make sense of it.

    And yes, expert’s opinion is just that. A judge or a jury does not have to accept an expert’s opinion as a fact.

    • Replies: @James (Jim) Fetzer
  382. @EliteCommInc.

    A “wedge” into the case is the number of wounded children–compared to the kill and wounded ratio of other mass shootings (including school shootings).

    The alleged “kill” rate is way too high compared to similar incidents.

    That is what first caught my attention that “something” was fishy about media and .gov discussions of the case.

  383. @Mike P

    “In his reply, Come on now stated that indeed the school district was sued by Pozner. You haven’t addressed that.”

    Is there any evidence that such a lawsuit was actually filed in a court somewhere?

  384. @eah

    Does anyone really know is the point. The vast majority of people who know of Sandy Hook have never gone to the town or school to get their own impression of what might have happened.

    Things can be very persuasive in a book, a newspaper, a magazine or an online article, but if you actually go to the place where something is supposed to have happened, you could easily draw an entirely different conclusion.

    Looking at a photograph is a good example. You may get an entirely different impression when you go to the place where the photograph was taken. Same goes with writing.

  385. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    You (and perhaps a lot of other people based on the comments) may have a bit of a misunderstanding of both an interlocutory appeal and a summary judgment. So let me clear this up a bit. Interlocutory appeals are not appeals as a matter of right, but a matter of the appellate court’s discretion. Most of the time, appellate courts refuse to permit an interlocutory appeal. As a matter of judicial efficiency, courts want to reduce the number of appeals, not increase them. If the appellate court believes it can adequately address any errors of the trial judge by a direct appeal after a final judgment, an appellate court will almost never permit an interlocutory appeal.

    On a summary judgment decision like yours, appellate courts will almost never grant an interlocutory appeal because, if the trial judge made an error in granting a summary judgment against you and holding you liable, when it should not have done that, it can reverse the trial court and order a new trial after a final judgment. An ordinary appeal will almost always satisfactorily correct an erroneous summary judgment.

    In your case, if the appellate court believes in a post judgment appeal that you properly demonstrated there was a fact issue for the jury to decide, and the judge erroneously decided there was not a fact issue for the jury to decide and granted summary judgment, the appellate court will set aside the summary judgment of the trial court, and the normal expectation would be that the trial court is ordered to have a re-trial both on liability and damages.

  386. @Daniel Rich

    Add to it Lanza’s apparent suicide [bullet through the head] and we’re talking about gallons of blood

    Debunking site sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com has photo of blood on wall from that. They even helpfully put a green box around the blood spots in case you can’t find them. The pic

  387. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I listened to the part you cited. Mr. Avery generally is correct, but misses a few things. I doubt he is a lawyer, because a lawyer, especially a litigator, would never stumble over the word movant. He did several times. But that is not that important.

    Mr. Avery is apparently from Texas, which is my home state, where I went to law school and where I practiced personal injury law from 1977 to 1996. I am very familiar with Texas’ summary judgment rule as it used to be up until that time. Between 1996 and 2002, I practiced law in Tennessee, again as a personal injury lawyer, and I am quite familiar with Tennessee’s summary judgment rule.

    Texas was well known in the legal community (when I practiced there) for having a much more difficult burden to get a summary judgment than most other states. In fact there was a major landmark case (early 1990’s maybe) by the Texas Supreme Court that clearly explained the difference between Texas’ Summary Judgment rule and the Federal Summary Judgment Rule which Tennessee and most other states use verbatim or some variant of.

    When I practiced in Texas, (in the state courts — but not the federal courts in Texas) it was really difficult to get a summary judgment for plaintiff or defendant.

    It is easier to get a summary judgment in the federal courts or in states like Tennessee that have the federal rule or its variant. I don’t know about Wisconsin, but since Texas is a rare situation, I would expect Wisconsin to be a jurisdiction that has the summary judgment rule similar to the Federal Rule that is easier to obtain a judgment in.

    But still, summary judgment should be hard to get. I actually like Texas’ approach better. When summary judgments are easy to get, juries often do not get to decide cases that they really should decide, if we take trial by jury seriously.

    But generally torts, of which defamation is one, (even in the jurisdictions with a more lax rule) are not the kinds of cases that are appropriate to be decided by summary judgment. Juries are supposed to decide whether a defendant is negligent, grossly negligent or has acted in an intentional manner.

    Defamation is usually an intentional tort or a grossly negligent tort. It usually is not a tort of negligence. Usually malice (which is intentional) toward the plaintiff must be shown or some kind of recklessness regarding or conscious indifference (both gross negligence stndards) to the plight of the plaintiff. Mr. Avery mentioned negligence and I think he left out the word gross in front of it.

    The law requires a demonstration of malice or recklessness or conscious indifference, partly as a means of protecting free speech. If you are not trying to hurt somebody with your speech or being reckless about it or consciously indifferent with it, you should have the right to express your views.

    I really think that if you appeal, your best argument would be that there was no evidence that you were acting maliciously against the plaintiff, nor were you reckless or consciously indifferent to his plight, but in any event it should have been the jury judging your conduct not the judge.

  388. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    renfro is a propagandist who is here to mislead those who are beginning to see the light.

    I have known renfro for many, many years. We agree on many things, but not all. However, he is anything but a propagandist. He is a critical thinker who does his homework before opening his mouth.

    Rather than taking pot shots at him, why not refute his assertions with facts rather than ad hominem? He has raised some important questions. Why not answer them rather than attack his credibility? You have made a lot of assertions. Either back them up with credible evidence or just admit that they are mere speculations (which is fine, so long as they are advertised as such).

    • Agree: Daniel Rich, geokat62
    • Disagree: Twodees Partain
    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @eah
    , @eah
  389. Robjil says:
    @dimples

    Beverly Eckert’s fate is a good example of how our Rulers work. Beverly was the last 911 relative that did not take the money pay out.

    https://911truth.org/beverly-eckert/

    Beverly Eckert was among a handful of Sept. 11th relatives to reject the rich settlements offered by the government in exchange for a renunciation of all legal claims against US persons or entities, such as corporations or government agencies. She participated in a number of lawsuits around Sept 11th, with the express purpose of gaining discovery and accountability about the events of the day.

    The plane she took soon after leaving Obama, went down with 50 people on it.

    http://plane-crash-24.blogspot.com/2009/02/beverly-eckert-911-widow-and-activist.html

    Eckert, whose husband was in the World Trade Center on 9/11, was flying to Buffalo to launch a scholarship in his memory. She had met with President Obama last week to discuss anti-terror measures.
    By Geraldine Baum and Michael Muskal
    8:20 AM PST, February 13, 2009
    Reporting from Los Angeles and New York — Last week, Beverly Eckert was at the White House to talk with President Barack Obama about how the new administration could deal with those suspected of terrorism.

    This morning, Eckert — the widow of a man who died in the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center — was among the 50 people killed when a commuter plane crashed outside Buffalo, N.Y.
    “Beverly was gentle, loving and fragile,” said Christy Ferer, another 9/11 widow who knew Eckert. “She was still in pain from her 9/11 loss and consequently pulled back a bit from her 9/11 activities. She was loved and respected by so many.”

    Our free Zion MSM Press seemed to very “worried” about two Israelis on this downed plane.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3671312,00.html

    Foreign Ministry sources following the plane crash in Buffalo, New York, which left 50 people dead, expressed concerns on Friday for the lives of two Israeli citizens who may have been onboard the aircraft.

    The concerns arose after two families contacted the ministry after being unable to contact their loved ones.

    The Israeli Consulate in New York is also involved in an effort to inquire for more details on the victims of the crash.

    A Continental Airlines spokesperson said, “At this point, we have no knowledge of any Israelis onboard the plane.” However the Foreign Ministry stated that the airline had contacted the two Israelis’ families.

    Continental Connection Flight 3407 flying from Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey headed for Buffalo Niagara International Airport crashed into a house while coming in to land Thursday night.

    The crash sparked a fiery explosion that killed all 49 people on board and one person on the ground

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  390. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Where are the bone fragments [skull] + skin and brain tissue [and where’s the bullet hole]?

    Thanks in advance.

  391. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Mr. Feltzer,
    When did you first learn that “[t]he Judge issued his order granting summary judgment to Pozner ”?

  392. @Hippopotamusdrome

    The hat that Lanza was said to be wearing had a hole in the top of it and a few strands of hair inside, but it had no blood or brain matter at all. And this is impossible.

  393. Iris says:
    @Robjil

    This is a very good illustration of why it can be economical to tailor the size and nature of the human losses, depending on the actual goal behind the false flag. Not all victims’ families can be bribed.

    For 9/11, the perpetrators instigated a real Holocaust of 3000 innocent Americans, a crime which unprecedented magnitude would justify their avowed New Pearl Harbour agenda, and would forcibly mobilise recalcitrant foreign allies behind the Zionist imperial banner.

    But this came at cost to the credibility of the perpetrators: 9/11 having global repercussions was scrutinised by the whole world, including parts of the world not so well controlled by Zionist powers. Soon enough, significant anomalies and aberrations in the tragic WTC events were publicly highlighted by French, German, Russian observers.

    Why is that? This is because reality obeys to the rules of science, not to a false flag’s script, and science’s consequences cannot be masked.

    – The plot that killed President Kennedy was revealed as a conspiracy because his body moved backward to the left, as would somebody shot from the front-right side.

    – The conspiracy that killed 3000 Americans was proved because a building fell in free fall.

    Science is dangerous to false flags, because science does not lie, has unintended consequences and cannot be controlled.

    When possible, it is more beneficial to only simulate the false flag, as the story can be amended and adjusted as it goes to cater for discrepancies, with the help of the Pozners of this world.

    • Agree: Robjil
  394. gsjackson says:
    @Come On Now

    What is a conspiracy is corporate media narrative conformity. There may be plenty of people out there willing to spill the beans on a given false flag event, but if they don’t have access to the corporate media megaphone then they won’t be heard. It is the media’s mission to make sure that nothing challenging the official stories penetrates the public consciousness to any significant degree, and they have many decades of experience doing so.

  395. @Hippopotamusdrome

    I think I can make out a brown spot or two inside their cool, helpful green box. That could be anything, and the wall could be anywhere. I’m sure you posted that to show just what a serious debunking site sandyhoaxanalsisters is.

  396. @Mulegino1

    Fully agree, but I’d emphasize that while the American proles, like Orwell’s, are indeed coarse and ignorant (that’s kinda why they’re proles), they at least retain some basic sense of humanity. The real problem is the Outer Party members, who in the American context are over-educated technocrats who know much but understand little, and enthusiastically regurgitate Party slogans while gleefully indulging in their slavery and oppression (e.g. cucks). For example, our resident Corvinus is a modern-day Parsons.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  397. @davidgmillsatty

    Yes, there is an Order covering the various Motions he disposed of at the time. It runs about 100 words and does not explain the legal reasoning that justified the decision. I am a bit perplexed: You seem to imply that the Court is entitled to decide disputed facts in the case, when the protocols for Summary Judgment specifically require that disputed facts must be decided by the jury, not the judge. I am sorry, but you have just taken me aback. You have missed a key point entirely. Listen to this:

    http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/stop-the-presses-with-mark-anderson-10-11-19/

    Starts at 23:00 introducing the case

    Elements of libel beginning at 33:00

    Suggests this lawsuit “was a joke”!

    Should never have been brought in

    the first place and should have been

    thrown out by the Court at the start.

    I am given to understand that even first year law students understand that summary judgments are subject to abuse, especially in defamation cases, and that disputed facts MUST BE RESOLVED BY THE JURORS.

    • Replies: @CMC
    , @davidgmillsatty
  398. @CMC

    At the conclusion of the Oral Hearing on Summary Judgments held on 17 June 2019 in Dane County Circuit Court, Madison, WI.

    • Replies: @CMC
  399. @anonymous

    Here’s footage from the scene on 14 December 2012. Does anyone look distraught or even troubled?
    https://www.brighteon.com/0f61b9dd-428d-4972-9554-f25dc9ed02d2 CHECK THE BUS #HAHA

  400. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Great.

    And just to be clear, you were where exactly?

  401. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Pardon, have you published that order anywhere?

  402. renfro says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Either back them up with credible evidence or just admit that they are mere speculations

    Thanks C&D..!!…..it was getting lonely here…lol.

    I did read Fetzer’ s book ,btw, and even applied the Jesuit’s ‘ specious reasoning’ as a measurment of it and he didnt even come up to that as his speculations were not in any way ‘plausable ‘.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @eah
  403. @James (Jim) Fetzer

    I am agreeing with you on the point that the jury is supposed to decide disputed facts. If the judge granted a summary judgment, the judge believed there were no disputed facts for the jury to consider.

    Whether a person acts intentionally, recklessly, maliciously, wantonly, out of conscious indifference, or negligently is a fact question that is in dispute in almost all tort cases. So in a defamation case, the question should be whether the defendant acted one of these ways toward the Plaintiff and it should be the jury who decides this not the judge.

    So ordinarily I would think the judge should not have granted a summary judgment and should have let the jury decide the issue of liability. But there may be something out of the ordinary that could change my mind.

    Not having seen the judge’s order, or having read the motion for summary judgment, or the response, I don’t really know what the judge thought or might have thought or if there was anything that was not ordinary.

    • Replies: @CMC
  404. @renfro

    They demolished the school and made the contractors sign non disclose agreements, no problem with that, right?

    The whole thing was total bullshit, a DHS/FEMA drill, no one was killed!

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @davidgmillsatty
  405. I haven’t read Jim’s book and I know very little about SH but commonsense tells me that given the number of times that the government has lied and the great magnitude of those lies it would seem prudent to examine everything from the position that there is a probable likelihood that these are just more lies.

    The stakes are high indeed if we are referring to the goal of global tyranny and it was specifically to address such a treat that the 2nd Amendment was created. Wayne LaPierre said that the NRA is the most important human rights organisation in the world and it took me a little while for that to properly sink in. The disarmament of the American people is at the very top of the list of Things to Do for the banksters so a shocking event such as SH takes on a level of importance far greater even than the terrible crimes that the official narrative holds. SH should be examined under the most powerful microscope and kudos to those who genuinely undertake such an exploration of all that we know, of what can be learned about it and from it.

    I learned from reading The Last Investigation to ask, who has the power to bypass security? References to any sort of a similar drill are a bright red flag there. Who has the power to immediately feed a false narrative via mass media? A good clue here is just how quickly the case is solved with lots of information too soon about the who, how and why. Who has the power to effect a cover-up? Another type of clue is when very early reports suggest that there were multiple shooters and sometimes even pictures of different people being detained only to later hear that it was the work of a lone patsy, sorry, gunman. In a genuine case we are likely to be treated to an explanation of who was mistakenly detained and why but in a staged event that early report will quickly disappear down the memory hole.

    True patriots will need to question everything and accept some differences of opinion so as to stay focussed on the greater goal which should be the remaking a nation of just laws called the United States of America.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Anon
  406. “The alleged “kill” rate is way too high compared to similar incidents.”

    i had no idea that there is a standard ratio. each shooting incident of this type is unique to all others. weapon, environment, intent, location, circumstances don’t live in a vacuum.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  407. renfro says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Yes they did…..why?….because some people had been going on the property looking for ‘souvenirs ‘ ….they restricted access to parents and teachers only . That is why they also had all metal collected, they didn’t want people taking it to make ghoulish medallions to sell to freaks in the public…..and events like this do bring out the freaks as well as the just curious.

    But you’ve already demonstrated that you only believe the hoaxer story so I don’t know why you bother to ask.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  408. @EliteCommInc.

    Nobody stated that there is a standard ratio. You just took a page from Adam Schiff’s book, inserting your own words as though what you are quoting doesn’t read differently. That’s dishonest.

  409. getaclue says:
    @Anne Lid

    All of those are gone. Wiped clean off the internet. For me how I knew there was a problem with the Sandy Hook narrative was the parent who was actually laughing it up and jolly then walked to the podium and literally “got into character” in front of our eyes — all teary eyed and broken down about his “loss”– it was so clearly staged bs….and now of course it has been wiped from the internet. This alone tells us that there is something seriously wrong here– if what they say is true why wipe clean these videos? There was no way the could explain that one. No way. The country is now fully run by criminals.

  410. getaclue says:

    Your story is bs. They demolished the school because people were taking souvenirs, right…truly you are a real tool. Are you paid to do this or just free lance? Whatever the truth is that isn’t it.

    I saw the video of the “grieving parent” man who was full of jollies and laughing where he thought he was out of camera shot then he got up to the podium and “went into character” and broke down etc.– bizarre doesn’t cover it. The absolute phoniest thing I have ever seen. I note, as others do above, that it has now been wiped completely from the internet of course. In your world that is because of “souvenirs” or some such bs….

    I have no idea at this point what happened at Sandy Hook but I can say there are problems with the Sandy Hook narrative and to say people shouldn’t be able to discuss them in a supposedly “free” country is garbage– the trial discussed here is a joke– the parent was ptsd because someone was critical of the narrative put out, yes lets not have any investigations other than the authorized one, Stalin style–they needed an “expert witness” to “explain” the ptsd–such testimony has long been banned in Florida because it is complete garbage– you have a professional witness/salesman in front of jury being paid big money to brain wash them–and it works, that’s why Plaintiffs Lawyers pay them the big bucks and share these witnesses at seminars– that’s why they were banned there and should be everywhere–but weren’t in this case resulting in the jury awarding a stupid amount of money in damages based upon the Judge ordering damages to be paid. Trial was a farce.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  411. durd says:

    I am curious what are you Renfro?

  412. getaclue says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    I remember that murder spree– one of the most vicious ever. Involved rape too if I recall–forced sex by people in a restaurant they were robbing. Do they offer any proof this guy wasn’t knee deep in the rape, robbery, murder events? Seems all they are alleging is they don’t like the Judge. No mention of the evidence or “innocence” of this guy? (My understanding is that the evidence was overwhelming, complete and total that they escaped prison and went on a raping, robbing, murdering rampage–there was an all points out on them for over a week as they marauded around)– I would guess that we don’t here about evidence as to this poor lad’s “innocence” because the evidence had him dead on as a cold blooded co-killer? For some reason being Jewish should walk him any way? Correct me if I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  413. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Hmm. Prejudice clear enough. Knowledge mot so much. The BBC wasn’t established till the 1920s. But yes, understod you just wanted to scratch about in your addled brain to say something rude about the Brits.

  414. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    What were the clues that might have been dangled to catch out the simpletons like Fetzer? By whom and in what media do you suggest?

  415. eah says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Review my exchanges with renfro in this thread — more than anything he is a hypocrite who is apparently too dishonest (and maybe too dumb) to see/admit his own hypocrisy — he also seems to deliberately misinterpret text, and imputes opinions or views to others that were never expressed — he has commented extensively here but admits he has little/no knowledge of SH skeptic material — he demands Fetzer answer unanswered (and probably unanswerable, at least at the moment) questions about SH, suggesting that unless these details of the (alleged by Fetzer et al) SH fraud are elucidated, any suggestion that SH was a fraud is not credible — on the other hand, he says he thinks the Warren Report was a cover-up, and that 9/11 was ‘allowed to happen’, even though there are a great many very critical unanswered questions associated with both of those events.

    Don’t take my word for it — look for yourself.

  416. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @CMC

    You are remarkably polite. Messrs Barrett and Fetzer’s ignorance of the law and its processes makes this article worthless, a waste of time. Without being an expert in American defamation law it is obviously likely if not clear that the judge first had the task of declaring whether, as a matter of law, the words used were (or maybe could be construed as) defamatory, it presumably being conceded by plaintiff and defendant that the plaintiff was responsible for the asserion of death in the death certificate.

    What reasons have to be given? To say that someone lied about something important is clearly defamatory.

    It is here that some confusion begins, probably because Mr. Fetzer was so remarkably naive as to employ no lawyet (well even that great fact finder David Irving was just as foolish). So it seems Mr. Fetzer missed his chance to establish the defence of truth. Yes, a finding that worda are defamatory is consistent with them being true so it would appear Mr Fetzer didn’t manage to understand the various stages of litigation until too late, if at all.

    It follows that Mr Barrett’s dire warnings are also based on ignorance of the law and libel litigation specifically. Accordingly not worth publishing.

    • Replies: @CMC
  417. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    You sou sound very confident of your views on the BBC. Howso, based on what?

    Anyway you choose a bad example for your sneer. Let me explain why.

    Set aside the Jimmy Savile and (sad case) Rolf Harris disgraces the undoubted occasional deceptions to which the BBC had been party have depended on its reputation for integrity for their effectiveness. It would be very counterproductive to be dodgy about something like those polls

    If you have any real knowledge of the BBC’s propaganda function would you care to explain what you know, how and with what certainty? My many BBC friends and acquaintances are notably strongminded professionals who have worked all over the world and would have had I think little occasion to create deception in the last 74 years.

  418. eah says:
    @DESERT FOX

    There is a hell of a lot more that proves this was a DHS/FEMA drill.

    I think circumspection is necessary here — any fair-minded person who spends even a short amont of time looking at SH skeptic material, much of it very well done, should be willing to admit there are many striking anomalies associated with the event; the bizarre open air press conference of the weird medical examiner Carver is just one of them — but even taken together, I would not go so far as to say they constitute proof — others may disagree; that’s fine — more than anything, a very interesting and useful book like ‘No One Died At Sandy Hook’ is meant to be a compendium of these anomalies, with analysis of them — it is up to individual readers to decide what to make of it all.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  419. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    “given the number of times that the government has lied and the great magnitude of those lies it would seem prudent to examine everything from the position that there is a probable likelihood that these are just more lies.,”

    If I were of the seeing-behind-the-web-of-lies penetraters of real conspiracies I might treat that over-the-top all inclusive expectation of conspiracy and deceit as intended to confuse and distract. So, c’mon, not evetything, or even everything politically important.

    How about sobering up and giving your considered and reasoned position?

    • Replies: @Iris
  420. eah says:
    @renfro

    I did read Fetzer’ s book ,btw,…

    I see — but in comment #156 you said:

    I haven’t read his book…

    Which is it?

    The book ‘Nobody Died At Sandy Hook’ (PDF) is over 400 pages, and not really an “easy read” — personally, I find it impossible to believe that between comments #156 and #416 you “read” Fetzer’s book (in its entirety) — you may have downloaded and skimmed it, but you did not “read” it.

    Earlier, you asked what his circumstantial evidence was, showing you were, apparently, completely unfamiliar with SH skeptic material (since the book is a compendium) — despite that, you began actively commenting here in an arrogant, dismissive tone.

  421. eah says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Oh and this is patently/obviously false (at least re this comment thread):

    He is a critical thinker who does his homework before opening his mouth.

    He commented first in #71 — in comment #156 he admitted he had not read Fetzer’s book; also it was very apparent he had little/no knowledge of SH skepticism — despite that, he continued to comment and (more or less) assail Fetzer.

    In this case, ‘doing homework’ would mean being familiar with the arguments of SH skeptics, particularly the ones in Fetzer’s book (which he admitted he hadn’t read), and thoughtfully challenging them specifically — instead renfro just expressed (more or less) disdain for SH skepticism, and unreasonably demanded Fetzer answer (more or less) unanswerable questions re SH, implying otherwise any claim that SH was a fraud was not credible (hypocritically, he doesn’t seem to make similar demands re JFK and 9/11).

    That’s pretty much a summary of what went on here.

    • LOL: renfro
  422. Mulegino1 says:

    It’s quite simple, really.

    We have been conditioned all of our lives to believe virtually everything presented to us as “news,” as long as it is presented to us as such by the mainstream media, on the flat screen and with the anodyne voice of authority serving to cognitively anchor this reality in our cerebral hardware.

    Orson Welles “Martian invasion” was real because it was broadcast on a major radio network- until the same network confirmed it was a play. In the meantime, there was mass panic in areas along the Eastern Seaboard.

    The triumphalist version of the Second World War- the “liberation” from the “evil Nazi/ dastardly Jap” was real because it was broadcast by the major media in the newsreels with a backdrop of the Stars and Stripes and stirring marching music.

    JFK really was killed by the lone gunman LHO because Walter Cronkite told us so on CBS.

    The Gulf of Tonkin was real because we saw news reports about it on all major networks.

    Armstrong and Aldrin really did walk on the surface of the moon- not because such a thing was physically possible or any hard evidence was presented, but because the same character/characters- Cronkite et al told us that those ghostly, grainy images really were men on the moon.

    And commercial airliners really can fly through steel and concrete skyscrapers while maintaining constant velocity because we saw it on the flat screen so it must be real.

    Ditto with Sandy Hook. Despite all of the anomalies (leaving the dead children in the school overnight is a no go and should have rendered the whole business a hoax) it was on the flat screen and one of Conkrite’s successors as “most trusted man in America” told us that it happened, so it must be true.

    The only truly independent and intellectual response to such a society of spectacle must be methodical doubt and extreme skepticism. Is this difficult to apply? Of course. Is it necessary to maintain a semblance of objectivity and critical thinking abilities? Absolutely.

    We must examine the epistemological core of our assumptions and our media based world view.. When it is found wanting, it must be discarded in favor of quotidian and empirically based reality.

  423. @renfro

    State police Lt Paul Vance said that they left the so called bodies in the school over night and were removed the next morning, who in the hell would leave their dead child in the school over night, that alone proves it was a hoax.

    Go to henrymakow.com and at the top left hand side of the home page is a search box for the site, enter Sandy Hook School in the box and then on the list of articles read the reports by Wolfgang Halbig, there you will find the proof that it was a DHS/FEMA drill.

  424. CMC says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Not having seen the judge’s order, or having read the motion for summary judgment, or the response, I don’t really know what the judge thought or might have thought or if there was anything that was not ordinary.

    I think you make a good point.

    Perhaps it might be useful to compare this to what others have apparently published with regard to another current news story?

    https://savejames.com/court-documents/

  425. @Mulegino1

    We must examine the epistemological core of our assumptions and our media based world view

    Great post.

    I gave the U.S. Census Bureau example earlier in this thread, and so far it has not received any comments.

    For me, that was a critical “glitch in the matrix” moment because as a young man I trained census takers and told them that the census was included in the U.S. Constitution, had been conducted since the 1790s, had never been used to reveal personal information on Americans since that time, and told the census takers to explain this to anyone who had concerns on the issue.

    I was taught the lie, I believed the lie, I taught the lie, everyone at the Census Bureau believed the lie, the mass media promulgated the lie.

    It was even worse. I actually knocked on the doors of reluctant respondents and convinced them that the Census Bureau had _never_ released personal information on _anyone _ _ever_ since the first census in 1790, so they had nothing to worry about. I am a _very_ persuasive speaker, and every single person I contacted believed me and allowed me to collect the information.

    This was not an innocent lie we were told. The Census Bureau revealed names and addresses of Japanse Americans during WWII so they could be rounded up and thrown in prison camps.

    There has never been a whistleblower from .gov, ever–not a file clerk, not a mid-level bureaucrat, not a senior official.

    The Census Bureau tried to cover this up when it was discovered, but finally had to admit it when the evidence became overwhelming.

    At this point I assume everyone in the .gov and mass media is lying about everything unless I receive overwhelming and very convincing evidence to the contrary.

    I will not be burned twice.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @onebornfree
  426. Mulegino1 says:
    @Justvisiting

    At this point I assume everyone in the .gov and mass media is lying about everything unless I receive overwhelming and very convincing evidence to the contrary.

    I will not be burned twice.

    Absolutely right. There is no reason to accept the officialist spin on any appreciable news item – with the possible exception of weather phenomena or sports scores.

    Sly mendacity has been the rule of the day for the Mockingbird Media, and reinforces Orwell’s “universal deceit.” The latter is easier to impose by the multi-network smiling talking heads than via the imperious “MINITRUE” of 1984.

  427. CMC says:
    @Anon

    Thank you, and in my opinion you have given us a good comment worth considering.

  428. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Justvisiting

    Justvisiting says: “The Census Bureau revealed names and addresses of Japanse Americans during WWII so they could be rounded up and thrown in prison camps.”

    Immigrants from Germany and Italy and their US born children too.

    See book : “The Train To Crystal City”: http://www.janjarboerussell.com/books/the-train-to-crystal-city/

    Regards,onebornfree

  429. @DESERT FOX

    If that is true, what happened to the teachers? Certainly the teachers who taught at the school knew the story and would have been excellent witnesses.

    Juries consider teachers to be about the most credible witnesses there are.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  430. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Mulegino1

    Mulegino1 says: “And commercial airliners really can fly through steel and concrete skyscrapers while maintaining constant velocity because we saw it on the flat screen so it must be real. “

    “Air versus Skyscraper”-The Shortest, Simplest, Most Devastating, Most Subversive 911 Truth Video?”:

    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2008/10/air-versus-skyscraper-shortest-simplest.html

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  431. @onebornfree

    Do your eyes detect a decrease in velocity when you put a potato through a french fry maker?

  432. onebornfree says: • Website
    @getaclue

    getaclue says: “I saw the video of the “grieving parent” man who was full of jollies and laughing where he thought he was out of camera shot then he got up to the podium and “went into character” and broke down etc.– bizarre doesn’t cover it. The absolute phoniest thing I have ever seen. I note, as others do above, that it has now been wiped completely from the internet of course.

    Although the famous “grieving parent Robbie Parker” video has been scrubbed from youtube [ surprise surprise] , stills taken from it can still be seen.

    Here, for example [about 1/3 of the way down the page]: https://www.henrymakow.com/sandy-hook-was-a-drill.html

    regards, onebornfree

  433. @davidgmillsatty

    The teachers were created using aliases , the teachers did not exist, the whole thing was a scam, and where are the videos from the school cameras, no videos?, go to henrymakow.com and enter Sandy Hook in the search box for the site in the upper left hand corner of the home page and read the reports by Wolfgang Halbig.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  434. @Mulegino1

    The only truly independent and intellectual response to such a society
    of spectacle must be methodical doubt and extreme skepticism.
    Is this difficult to apply? Of course.

    Not even so difficult to apply (every monster has its Achilles heel, and this one is not an
    exception) as to convince others that there’s a pack of career psychopaths on the invisible
    part of the pyramid of power, pulling the strings and playing their sick game way beyond
    comprehension of “normal” people.
    While the visible rest of that pyramid is just voluntary or involuntary servants of those
    psychopaths, doing their best to keep the same “normal” majority convinced that there’s
    no such game.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  435. @DESERT FOX

    You missed my point. The school had been in existence for some time. It had teachers. It had administrators. Probably for years. Who were these people and what do we know about them?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  436. @davidgmillsatty

    The school was closed in 2008, so the teachers at that time are of no interest, do some research.

  437. Mulegino1 says:
    @AB_Anonymous

    You’re right. I should have written “difficult to apply in a social context,” and not have implied this to apply in an empirical/factual context. The biggest obstacle to the truth is group think.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  438. Iris says:
    @Anon

    If I were of the seeing-behind-the-web-of-lies penetraters [sic] of real conspiracies…

    Don’t worry, it is quite obvious that you will never be inflicted with over-perspicaciousness.

    The little bird, or rather the not-so-discrete, fat, clumsy ostrich shadowing you is telling all about your Wizardly confusion.

  439. Watch this story advance on this new Truth vs. NEW$ INC. TV program of Oct. 21, with Kevin Barrett, Jim Fetzer, and Scott Bennett:

    SPECIAL: BREAKING NEW$: "Sandy Hook book's Snafu"!! TvNI = Truth vs NEW$ INC. Prof Fetzer was slapped with a $450,000.00 fine for Defamation in his banned book, "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" – made national NEW$ media. Decision wil be appealed – to fight for 1st Amendment freedom of the press. MUST SEE and SHARE Widely… .

    Posted by Donald T. Grahn on Tuesday, 22 October 2019

  440. @DESERT FOX

    Prove the school closed in 2008. What proof of this did Fetzer have that he presented to the court? And remember, it has to get past the hearsay rule.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @renfro
  441. “Nobody stated that there is a standard ratio. You just took a page from Adam Schiff’s book, inserting your own words as though what you are quoting doesn’t read differently. That’s dishonest.”

    Nonsense, if one argues that a kill to wounded ratio in uniquely higher then its safe to say they are basing the argument on an established standard.

    And that is where my position seeks confirmation. I am unaware that there is some ratio by which one can note an abnormal or unique signature that would call the entire shooting into question. I made no assertion about what others posited on the position, but certainly one would need a standard by which to note an anomaly.

    No lyng required. What Mr Schiff did was manufacture a conversation, for which there is no record.

    I did not manufactured or even suggested that a ratio existed. So it is nothing like what Mr. Schiff has done. In fact, my positions seeks what the standard is on the record by which one could make a comparison to challenge the veracity of the facts regarding any particular shooting incident of this kind, let alone that it occurred at all.

    Your attempt to malign my integrity is rejected. My comment is relevant and valid. Now if you have that missing data, I would be interested to know what it is and then how the matter is measured compared to “mass shooting” incidents to determine whether said shooting occurred.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  442. @DESERT FOX

    One more thing. Assuming your statement to be true, it does not necessarily follow that teachers and administrators and staff could not be relevant and material witnesses. For one thing, they could dispute the statement. Or maybe it was reopened. Or partly reopened. For another, they would certainly know the layout of the premises. So summarily deciding they are not relevant or material as witnesses does not work in Court.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  443. @davidgmillsatty

    You do the research, you are the doubter, and remember this, state police Lt Paul Vance said the so called bodies of the dead children were left in the school over night and taken out the next morning, if you believe that, you believe in the tooth fairy.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  444. @eah

    I think you’re being too generous; it goes way beyond “many striking anomalies,” especially when put into proper historical context. Just like with 9/11, the anthrax affair, the “underwear bomber,” and the Boston Marathon bombing, the official narrative of the Sandy Hook shooting is collectively preposterous on its face.

  445. Robjil says:

    The JFK assassination had many “mysterious” deaths of witnesses

    911 has the same thing going on.

    Perhaps this is the reason that people are so fearful of speaking when they know something.

    That line ” if you know something, say something” does not work in this Zion age. When humanity leaves the Zion Age, that would truly be a “Ode to Joy” moment. In every cafe all over the world, “Ode to Joy” should be played at its highest levels. MLK’s “Free at Last” line would ring from every rooftop of the world.

    Here is a list of mysterious 911 witness deaths

    https://www.newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/

    • Agree: Iris
  446. @Mulegino1

    “The biggest obstacle to the truth is group think”

    Yes, unfortunately. The same herd instinct that greatly helped people during
    the earlier stages of human civilization now works progressively against them.

  447. dimples says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    9/11 was a much larger event with 3000 persons (I assume) killed, and more relevantly it was a false flag generated by the state for political purposes. When the state has control of the narrative there is never a problem for it. The relatives demanded an official investigation, which was a whitewash with a pre-arranged conclusion. Problem solved. Now the relatives are demanding compensation from Saudi Arabia. I’m sure that this will be resolved in some way that doesn’t cause problems for the official story.

    The relatives are demanding answers because there are unanswered questions, because 9/11 ACTUALLY WAS A HOAX in the sense that the official story is not the real story. The relatives know this and keep digging. And of course since there’s a very large pot of money to be squeezed out of the Saudis, who wouldn’t.

    The 2017 Las Vegas shooting is a more typical mass shooting. Here 58 people were shot by a deranged gunman from a hotel room overlooking a music festival. I believe the consensus is that it was a real shooting. What problems does this cause for the US government? None. It had basically nothing to do with it, unless of course it was done by agents of the state and then pinned on the alleged gunman.

    So you haven’t really answered the question. Whether it was a government run hoax or a government run shooting. Why do it the hard way? Name a typical example, not an untypical one.
    I’m trying to help you prove your case. Provide a good motive and you’re halfway there.

    • Replies: @dimples
  448. @Harold Smith

    Thank you, I gave him reference to henrymakow.com, search site that has most of Wolfgang Halbigs research papers, but he did not seem interested in looking.

    I don’t think he was interested in the truth.

  449. dimples says:
    @dimples

    In my previous comment some of the logic isn’t correct. I’ve called 911 a hoax although it was a real event which is not the sense of hoax in the current argument.

    Ultimately my argument boils down to this: Lets assume Sandy Hook was, for the sake of argument, a real shooting covertly organised by the state. Most of the relatives are going to believe the official story. Are the few grieving relatives who don’t accept it going to be a problem for the state, the media and the judiciary? Not in the slightest. They will be brushed aside like flies.

    On the other hand the problems of creating such a large scale hoax are enormous. Kids and their parents have to be faked, their relatives faked down to the nth degree, official documentation concerning the existence of all this has to be faked. All the people that knew them have to be faked etc etc down to where the turtles are supposed to be. Others have discussed this here so I won’t repeat it. I suppose you have to take your pick and good luck with that.

  450. renfro says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    454.davidgmillsatty says

    @DESERT FOX

    ”The school was closed in 2008, so the teachers at that time are of no interest, do some research.”

    Prove the school closed in 2008. What proof of this did Fetzer have that he presented to the court? And remember, it has to get past the hearsay rule.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    They can’t prove the school was closed because it wasn’t.

    From the Archives of the Newtown news paper the Newtown Bee.

    October 14th, 2009:
    “Town Clerk Debbie Aurelia laughs with Sandy Hook Elementary School second grade students on October 14. The students were on a walking tour of town offices and other landmarks along Main Street. They will be among the last groups to see the town offices while still located within Edmond Town Hall.”
    https://photos.newtownbee.com/Journalism/Issue-dated-October-16-2009/i-QZBcQXZ/A

    Â Â Veterans’ Day 2009-A Day For Name, Rank, And Recognition
    By KENDRA BOBOWICK
    Published: Nov 11, 2009 12:00 AM
    https://www.newtownbee.com/11112009/a-a-veterans-day-2009-a-day-for-name-rank-and-recognition/
    ”A third breakfast for veterans was served at Sandy Hook School on Wednesday morning after a flag raising ceremony, introduced by Sandy Hook School Assistant Principal Barbara Gasparine. Newtown resident Donna Monteleone Randle, who served with the US Army Signal Corp, raised the flag while Newtown High School senior Nahba Bropleh played the trumpet”

    Art Nights Invite Families To See Student Work
    By ELIZA HALLABECK
    Published: May 21, 2010 12:00 AM
    https://www.newtownbee.com/05212010/art-nights-invite-families-to-see-student-work/
    ”Art Nights Invite Families To See Student Work
    Hawley Elementary School, Sandy Hook Elementary School, and Head O’ Meadow Elementary School each had student art work on view for families for Art Night celebrations recently.”

    https://photos.newtownbee.com/Journalism/Photos-from-the-issue-4/i-RcW2XCh/A
    October 21st, 2010:
    “Sandy Hook Elementary School second graders learned bicycle safety tips from Officer Leonard Penna on Thursday, October 21, at C.H. Booth Library.”

    Sandy Hook School Award Ceremony
    By ELIZA HALLABECK
    Published: Jun 29, 2012 12:00 AM
    https://www.newtownbee.com/06292012/sandy-hook-school-award-ceremony/

    Of course the hoaxer followers will just foam at the mouth and scream….’they are all liars!!’…and claim that the Newtown newspaper was in on the hoax also..so now we have to add the Newtown Bee newspaper to FEMA, the FBI, the State Police, the State of Conn., the ‘crisis actors’.the New York Sate coroner , the Newtown Police, the Newtown Fire Dept., the 26 parents, and the 26 undead from the fake shooting, the law firm that represented the 11 fake parents who sued Alex Jones..the list is long LOL.

    What kind of investigator wouldn’t have gone to the local paper’s archives to check articles on a school they claimed was closed to verify it?.
    The only hoax here is Fetzer…. who is ‘hoaxing’ his sheep .

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: Ron Unz
  451. @EliteCommInc.

    You’re the one who invented the ratio. You prove that it exists. Your lack of integrity is also revealed in your habit of responding without linking your response to my comment. That’s an attempt to let your nonsense stand unchallenged, because it doesn’t appear in my comments list. You’ve done that more than once in exchanges with me, here and on other boards.

    The comment you responded to contained no reference to a “standard kill ratio”. That was your own invention.

  452. Ya know… If before, I might have thought there was a possibility that Fetzer was a kook and full of it. But then something like this lawsuit happens and I think, wow, there is something going on here.

    If this was a movie plot, it would be like when Agent Smith or the Will Smith from Men in Black show up telling you “nothing to see here”, no need to speak of it to anyone … or else.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  453. Parfois1 says:
    @Anon

    My many BBC friends and acquaintances are notably strongminded professionals who have worked all over the world and would have had I think little occasion to create deception in the last 74 years.

    Where have you been the last decades? Indeed Beeb was a respected broadcaster for many years, but that was before Margie Thatcher domesticated it to became the Uk government’s loudspeaker.

    Now in the pubs everywhere it is affectionately known as the British Bullshit Corporation. One wonders why so…

  454. @renfro

    Read the research papers by Wolfgang Halbig, you can find them on henrymakow.com, the school was closed in 2008 because of asbestos contamination and a new school was opened, just enter Sandy Hook school in the site search box on the upper hand side of the home page on henrymakow.com.

    Lt. Paul Vance said the bodies were left in the school over night until the next morning, if you believe that, you believe in the tooth fairy. Wayne Carver the corner was nervous as a whore in church while giving his report in front of Paul Vance and contradicted himself several times as he stumbled over his words, clearly he was lying and he did not want to lie but was forced to!

    Do the research , it was a DHS/FEMA drill for gun control.

    • Replies: @renfro
  455. @renfro

    Google sandy hook site:rense.com

  456. onebornfree says: • Website

    DESERT FOX says: “just enter Sandy Hook school in the site search box on the upper hand side of the home page on henrymakow.com.”

    You know that most likely they [ including Mr Unz], are probably not going to do that, right?[ Or, if they do, probably just give it the obligatory pre-biased-against, superficial skim. ]

    And so it goes….

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  457. Has the government hidden evidence regarding Sandy Hook? The anser is yes. There is zero reason to seal documents and prevent discovery.

    What happens when someone refuses to be searched after being issued a warrant? What happens when an individual refuses a police officer? That person is automatically punished to the full extent of the law.

    If an individual endures such punishment, why is a government allowed to hide evidence, suppress documents, and apply gag orders in the name of “National Security?” This is a complete betrayal to honesty and the public trust.

    All government agencies should be under greater scrutiny than the individuals they pose to represent. If state and federal governments “hide” evidence they should automatically be held as corrupt in the minds of the public and treated with contempt.

    As I stated before, Fetzer is toxic. He injects himself into situations that discredit real dissenters to government. He has successfully distracted attention away from Israel, its Zionist collaborators and the Neocons by constantly bringing up that “no planes hit the World Trade Center.” Fetzer makes the widespread exposure of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (A&E 911Truth) much more difficult. He has negatively achieved the same for anyone looking for answers surrounding the events at Sandy Hook.

    This was exactly the outcome the government intended. They have diluted the concerns over conspiracies to a point where they are easily manageable.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @NoseytheDuke
  458. @onebornfree

    Agree, another good site is rense.com and they can google sandyhook site:rense.com , has a lot of Wolfgang Halbigs research, Halbig was a former Florida Highway Patrolman and a former High School official in Florida and wrote most of the schools emergency response protocols, he is very credible and knows Sandy Hook was a drill and wrote a number of reports to that effect.

    Thanks for your response.

  459. @DESERT FOX

    This OP is about a case in litigation. And I am trying to restrict my comments to the legal proceeding.

    In court, one side or the other has the burden of proof.

    Sometimes judges will take “judicial knowledge” of commonly known facts. If you question those facts, then you have the burden of proving they are not true.

    In this case, it has been reported over and over that there was a shooting as Sandy Hook and people were killed. A judge, either by implication or by direct statement, would most likely take judicial knowledge of that and conclude the reported facts are true unless Fetzer convinces the judge that is not the case. If Fetzer wants to contest that the reported facts are true, he would almost certainly have the burden of proving they are not true.

    So the burden is not on me to prove that Sandy Hook is a school or the shootings happened.

    It is Fetzer’s burden to prove that these things did not happen. Given the fact the judge granted a summary judgment, it seems clear to me that whatever evidence Fetzer submitted for the court to review, that evidence did not convince the judge that the reports of what happened were not true.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Wizard of Oz
  460. @Harold Smith

    That will not work in court. It is hearsay. Mr. Halbig has no personal knowledge of this.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  461. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Jon Baptist

    Jon Baptist says: “As I stated before, Fetzer is toxic. He injects himself into situations that discredit real dissenters to government. He has successfully distracted attention away from Israel, its Zionist collaborators and the Neocons by constantly bringing up that “no planes hit the World Trade Center.” Fetzer makes the widespread exposure of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (A&E 911Truth) much more difficult. He has negatively achieved the same for anyone looking for answers surrounding the events at Sandy Hook.”

    Horseshit!

    Look, I’m no defender of Fezer per se .

    I have appeared on his radio show 3 times [discussing 9/11]. I found him to be loudmouthed, arrogant and partial to talking over his guests.

    A few years back he authored a very badly written, very derogatory/negative article at “Veterans Today” about the 9/11 research of Simon Shack [ of “September Clues” fame : http://septemberclues.info/ ] and yours truly.

    So Mr Fetzer is no friend of mine, [as far as know 🙂 ].

    However,in his defense, the simple fact of the matter is that you [and others] have the right to believe or not believe any of his claims, and he has the right to voice his claims, no one forces either yourself, nor anyone else, to believe anything he claims.

    Grow up, fer chrissakes.

    And as for Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth , they are [just like Fetzer] at best, “misguided”[at worst “controlled opposition”],seemingly believing as they do to this day that any/all of the official 9/11 “live” MSM broadcast imagery is genuine, when researchers such as Simon Shack have revealed it all to be completely fraudulent pre-fabricated [CGI] imagery, including all sequences showing: [1] Fl. 175’s strike on WTC2, [2]the collapse of WTC2, [3] the collapse of WTC1, and [4] the collapse of WTC7.

    See: http://septemberclues.info/

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  462. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Exactly. It makes me expect them to say, “Look into this here flashy thing”. I never much cared for Fetzer’s style and thought he was going overboard, but that doesn’t really count in this case. Even if someone I really despised was being subjected to this kind of treatment by a judge, I would want to speak out about it.

    Well, maybe if someone like Robert Mueller was getting the same treatment, I might kind of forget to say anything about it, but anyway….

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  463. @Twodees Partain

    Agree on Robert Muller, he was in on 911 and helped cover up the attack on the WTC as he was the head of the FBI, a real traitor for Israel.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  464. @renfro

    Go to rense.com and in the search box on the upper left hand side type in sandy hook and you will find the truth about Sandyhook, it was a DHS/FEMA drill.

  465. “You’re the one who invented the ratio. You prove that it exists. Your lack of integrity is also revealed in your habit of responding without linking your response to my comment. That’s an attempt to let your nonsense stand unchallenged . . .”

    Incorrect, in response to my comment the statement was made that the reason the commenter questioned the official story is because of the ratio of wounded to those killed was higher than . . .

    My response is to that posit. There no lie. There’s no deception. And the commenter who made it was not being facetious. They were just informing why they thought the matter initially dubious and reason to inquirer further.

    My response is directly related to what would be the standard ratio of wounded to those killed or wounded to killed that would cause one to question the matter for further study because maybe it did not happen.

    Suppose

    more wounded than killed (could have said wounded ratio)

    more killed than wounded (kill ratio)

    only killed and no wounded (non wounded ratio)

    only wounded no one killed (no kill ratio)

    no one wounded or killed ( noneffceted ratio)

    On any one these scenarios would one base a case of suspicion about whether the incident happened. The commenter noted more killed to wounded, if I recall.

    What predicates that suspicion is my press — has some statistical analysis been made that indicates that on average the the number wounded is X.

    You are so keyed up to find character flaw, you missed the point. Your inability to pay attention to the implications does not a liar or a dishonest person make — certainly not on your say so.

    What you have demonstrated is a deep inability to tolerate positions you can’t comprehend and thereby conclude the person making them must have some dishonest objective. If anyone is hiding something, in my view it is you. As I suspect that this typical; response to anyone who doesn’t suit your liking.

    Suppose you are correct, the commenter didn’t specifically state “ratio”. But my response understood the implications and responded accordingly —

    to conclude dishonesty is a false conclusion because you have no evidence of deceipt or the intent, you merely have a response with no attached motive. You are assigning a motive as as if in godlike knowledge make an accusation for which no evidence exists.

    Bow, if you have motive that I intended to deceive or lie or in any manner engage in dishonesty put it forward. This far your speculations predicated on who knows what — certainly not my exchange with the original commenter — remains thoroughly rejected.

    Uhhhh, no. There’s a reason why i don’t link. I have developed a habit of linking soley to authors of articles or commenters I know well enough to trust, or seek association to — again your attribution to some ill motive is misplaced and flat out wrong. What it does do is provide people interested in responding sincerely to our exchange to do so noting my name and contrary to your nonsensical speculation, it actually leaves me at a loss to engage in the exchange —- I am willing to take that loss.

    Another soothsayer, destined for failure in asessment of their fellows. And given your constant accusations, even when i linked —- repeated here

    Laughing . . .

    you are an untrusted entity by me as all roads lead to accusations of dishonesty. Not an uncommon refrain among the commenters in these parts.

  466. onebornfree says: • Website
    @davidgmillsatty

    davidgmillsatty says: “So the burden is not on me to prove that Sandy Hook is a school or the shootings happened.It is Fetzer’s burden to prove that these things did not happen”

    Not surprisingly, you’ve got it exactly “bassakwards”. .

    The burden of proof is supposed to be [or, should always be] on the government to prove its version, not the other way round.

    And so it goes…

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  467. Iris says:
    @onebornfree

    And as for Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth , they are [just like Fetzer] at best, “misguided”

    Entirely correct. There is no point in seeking the truth but then reject it because you don’t like what you found.

    A&E9/11 have just commissioned an excellent research report produced by the University of Alaska, which cannot be refuted as it uses the most up-to-date civil engineering calculation software, and proves beyond any doubt that WTC7 came down as a result of controlled demolition.

    As the collapse of WTC7 was NOT immediately preceded by the ultrasonic “bang” which always accompanies the peak shockwave produced by aerial explosion, the only possible “silent” method of controlled demolition left is an underground nuclear explosion, a hypothesis that A&E9/11 reject.

    We can only wish them good luck: there is no solution to their conundrum.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  468. @Richard B

    Schools were never intended to moralize a wicked world, but to impart knowledge and remove ignorance by teaching, through example and precept, the intellectual skills of rigorous thinking, consistent reasoning, and cautious judgment.

    Not really: schools were intended to condition its victims to
    ① putting up with industrial drudgery; and
    ② taking orders from people readily identifiable as inferior.

    The modern education system was created along Prussian lines: its central aims were not to impart knowledge and remove ignorance. It was to instil obedience and to provide a direct path from classroom to factory.

    The Smart Fraction has contributed massively to technological and other advancement since the introduction of Prussian-style systems, however there’s a very persuasive argument to be made that the advancement would have been greater but for educational bureaucracy which, like all bureaucracy, is stultifying.

    The educational bureaucracy is stultifying in ways that are congruent with the word’s entire etymology: stultify‘s major root is stultus – Latin for foolish or idiotic – and ‘ify‘ is the English cognate of –ificare… “make” in classical Latin.

    The educational bureaucracy throughout the West seems to satisfy the second bit of the aphorism “Hominis est errāre; stulti est in errore perseverarum” (it is the nature of man to err; it is the nature of fools to persist in error).

    But what if it’s working precisely as intended?

    John Taylor Gatto’s work repays reading for those who want to disabuse themselves of incorrect premises regarding education systems.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  469. Perseverarum? Perseverare, numbskull.

    (For some reason the option to edit comments doesn’t happen sometimes.).

  470. @DESERT FOX

    Yep, he would getting what he deserved if he was railroaded.

  471. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Iris

    It seems you misunderstood.

    Both Fetzer and Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth are way off the mark regarding demolition methodology.

    Part of my point was that if Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth latest WTC7 collapse theory is in any way based on the “evidence” supplied by looking at WTC7 collapse videos, then their conclusions are spurious, as all of the WTC7 collapse sequence videos are fakes [ie CGI] , and nothing regarding demolition methodology can be gained from watching 100% fake WTC7 collapse videos.

    See: “September Clues WTC7 Study”” , 1/3 way down page, here : http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2019/09/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no-110.html

    More than likely WTC7 was demolished [off camera, of course] using “tried and true”[and therefor very reliable], standard demolition methodology , aka dynamite, as were the twin towers themselves, which most likely were also demolished, bottom up [off camera – those “live” collapse videos are also fake], via standard methodology [dynamite], and not top down, as the fake “live”videos all show.

    See: http://septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.shtml

    Since Fetzer, without any justification, has always automatically assumed that the MSM’s WTC1, 2 and 7 collapse sequences were/are genuine, and because he is way too arrogant/proud/ pig-headed to ever acknowledge that he was wrong in making such an egregious assumption , he still harps on and on[and on] about nuclear demolition, like a broken record.

    And so it goes………

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @durd
    , @DESERT FOX
    , @Iris
  472. durd says:
    @onebornfree

    There are pics of melted rock from beneath the towers, dynamite doesn’t explain how that occurred.

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=7858&repost=yuuuup

  473. You have got to be kidding. Your are calling me dishonest based on my response to the following reference

    “kill rate”

    “A “wedge” into the case is the number of wounded children–compared to the kill and wounded ratio of other mass shootings (including school shootings).

    The alleged “kill rate” is way too high compared to similar incidents.

    That is what first caught my attention that “something” was fishy about media and .gov discussions of the case.”

    —————————————————-

    Your like a pharisee straining a gnat.

    Here’s the definition of ratio

    “A ratio compares values. A ratio says how much of one thing there is compared to another thing. There are 3 blue squares to 1 yellow square. Ratios can be shown in different ways”

    Here’s one definition of rate:

    “Rate

    rāt, n. a ratio or proportion: allowance: standard: value: price: the class of a ship and of seamen: movement, as fast or slow: a tax.—v.t. to calculate: to estimate: to settle the relative rank, scale, or position of.—v.i. to make an estimate: to be placed in a certain class: to ratify.—ns.”

    https://www.definitions.net/definition/rate

    ————————————————————————

    Based on the above, you attempted to impugn my integrity by straining to make a case when clearly my comments are perfectly reasonable.

    Now if care to prove a standard kill ratio that sets a standard by which one such shooting can be compared to another — do so.

    If you can’t. Simply say so. But stop hiding your lack of comprehending meaning, context or terms behind the refrain of basely accusing others.

    Good grief

  474. @onebornfree

    In my opinion drjudywood.com has the best theory on how the attack on 911 was done, she is a scientist and John Lear the son of the developer of the Lear jet agrees with her.

    Also the pentagram was a prewired demolition as April Gallop a woman who was working at her desk in the area of the blast , walked out through the hole and saw no sign of plane or missile parts, her videos are on youtube.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @onebornfree
  475. Unless there is some confusion rate and ratio as used by myself and the commenter — are the same thing.

    Definition of rate (Entry 1 of 3)
    1a : a quantity, amount, or degree of something measured per unit of something else
    her typing rate was 80 words per minute
    b : an amount of payment or charge based on another amount
    specifically : the amount of premium per unit of insurance
    2a
    : a charge, payment, or price fixed according to a ratio, scale, or standard: such as
    (1) : a charge per unit of a public-service commodity
    (2) : a charge per unit of freight or passenger service
    (3) : a unit charge or ratio used in assessing property taxes
    (4) British : a local tax
    b : a fixed ratio between two things
    3a : reckoned value : VALUATION
    b obsolete : ESTIMATION
    4 : relative condition or quality : CLASS
    5 obsolete : a fixed quantity
    at any rate

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rate

  476. Iris says:
    @onebornfree

    More than likely WTC7 was demolished [off camera, of course] using “tried and true”[and therefor very reliable], standard demolition methodology , aka dynamite

    It is a Physics immutable fact, please check it out for yourself: a powerful aerial explosion is characterised by the immediate creation of a supersonic peak shockwave. (A peak shockwave is an abrupt, almost instantaneous increase in pressure).

    Being supersonic, the shockwave always generates a simultaneous “bang” in the open air. Always.

    The “bang” for a demolition this size would have been mandatorily heard by all the people outside at the WTC, not just by isolated groups of firemen.

    No massive “bang” , no aerial explosion, hence no standard demolition.
    The WTC was brought down by underground nuclear explosions.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  477. @davidgmillsatty

    The whole official Sandy Hook narrative is hearsay. Anyway, we’re not in court (and not much works in our corrupt courts).

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  478. @Harold Smith

    This article is about a court case. The argument was made that the judge had no right to grant a summary judgment in the case. I expressed my views about what might have happened in the case (without the opportunity to read any of the documents in the case) in an attempt to shed light on the matter as best I could.

    I am not a fan of summary judgments, because when cases are not decided by juries, it erodes public confidence in the courts.

    But unless we are going to increase the number of judges in this country ten fold, or maybe even more, which is probably the minimum it would take for judges to have the time to guarantee that enough cases are decided by juries to restore public confidence, summary judgments will continue to be a major method by which cases are disposed of by the courts. They are getting more common, not less, because the population has been increasing much faster than the judiciary for eons.

    Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to pay the taxes it would take to increase the size of the judicial system to the level the framers envisioned when they guaranteed jury trials for all.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  479. @Iris

    Totally wrong. You obviously know nothing about the telltale signs of a nuclear explosion. There is no way to eradicate all the nuclear radioactivity of even an underground explosion. No such radiation was ever found.

    Jones and Harritt proved that there was nano-thermitic material in the WTC dust. Nano particles allow chemical (as opposed to nuclear) explosions to be many more times as efficient as chemical explosions that do not use nano-materials.

    And nano material is apparently much more technologically difficult to make. Otherwise it would not be a much more recent invention. We have had nuclear bombs since 1945. Nano technology was not discovered or developed for explosives until the late 19oo’s.

    • Troll: Iris
  480. @Jon Baptist

    Many people no longer believe that any planes hit the WTC, I’m just one of them. I’ve yet to see any visual evidence of plane parts on the ground around WTC 1 & 2 despite there being cameras everywhere and lots of videos of the chaos in the area before the buildings exploded outwards and came down. Do you have any to share here?

    It’s very hard to believe that large sections of wings and tail sections didn’t detach and were simply swallowed whole and just disappeared.

    • Replies: @ANON
    , @Iris
  481. onebornfree says: • Website
    @DESERT FOX

    DESERT FOX says: “In my opinion drjudywood.com has the best theory on how the attack on 911 was done, she is a scientist and John Lear the son of the developer of the Lear jet agrees with her.

    Yes, I know. I’d already seen your posts about this subject in other threads. And of course, you are entitled to believe what you believe about J. Wood’s 9/11 research.

    For myself, I examined her conclusions 6 years ago and concluded that like Fetzer and other claimed “scientists” she had avoided using the scientific method and that her conclusions [Directed energy weapons] were highly suspect, and more importantly,that she had lied about certain aspects of her research [which made me distrust her conclusions even more].

    See: ” 9/11 Scams: The Junk-Science of Dr. Judy Wood: http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/04/911-scams-junk-science-of-dr-judy-wood_6336.html

    However, its your right to believe her claims – I respect that, and do not wish to argue with you [or anyone else here] about the matter. We’ll all just have to “agree to disagree”.

    At the same time, big picture wise: [1]: we both agree it was an inside job , so why not just leave it there and move on? and [2]: ultimately arguing demolition methodology [nukes, direct energy, dynamite] with other 9/11 truthers is ultimately a waste of time -we all agree it was an inside job, so why not get over ourselves, agree to disagree on this internally divisive issue and move as a group onto the big question : what’s to be done about it?

    Or, we can all spend the rest of lives futilely arguing amongst ourselves over whether nukes, direct energy weapons, or dynamite were used to demolish the WTC complex, which is exactly what TPTB want.

    Regards, onebornfree

  482. renfro says:
    @DESERT FOX

    I have done the research…..have YOU done any research … except read what the loon hoaxers say?…anything at all?

    In all your comments all you do is repeat the same things over and over like a wind up toy……and claim Wolfgang and Fetzer have ‘proved’ the hoax.
    You claim Lt Vance said this and that and have no source to back it up except the same hoaxers who also have no proof of that and quote someone else who quotes someone else.

    Let me ask you something for a change……..how do you explain the newspaper articles in the Newtown Bee written about activities at Sandy Hook Elem school in the years from 2008 to 2012 ??????

    Have YOU actually done any investigating yourself? Have you looked up building closures which would have been noted by the Newtown Public Works Dept?…..or building permits which would have been issued by Newtown Planning ?
    IF you had you would have found that the only school closed in Monroe conn. (where the Newtown district is ) was the Chalk Hill school , closed because of budget problems……and this was where the Newtown students from the Sandy Hook school were sent after Dec 2012 and went to school until 2016. There is NO RECORD of any other school closures.

    https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Monroe-superintendent-proposes-one-year-closure-875197.php
    Chalk Hill Middle School housed Monroe’s 5th and 6th graders from 1969-2011 (when it was closed due to shifting population and budget issues).From 2012-2016, Chalk Hill was the home of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown following the Dec. 14, 2012 shooting.

    I am not wasting any more time on this…..when Wolfgang and Fetzer tell you the Gov is about to hydrogen bomb the public and the only way you can survive is to run jump in your freezer and shut the door behind you by all means believe them.

  483. onebornfree says: • Website
    @DESERT FOX

    DESERT FOX says: “…and John Lear the son of the developer of the Lear jet “

    You may not be aware, but Mr Lear has recently come out and stated that as Simon Shack [and myself] have repeatedly claimed over the last 10+ years, that all of the original “live” MSM 9/11 footage is “fabricated and can be forensically challenged.”. Something which neither Fetzer or Wood [and many others] seem able to grasp [not that it really matters, “big picture” wise, as I have previously suggested to you. ]

    See: “Jim Fetzer and 9/11 Video Fakery – What’s Going On Here?”:
    http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2018/07/jim-fetzer-and-911-video-fakery-whats.html

    regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  484. @The Alarmist

    Who do you have in mind? The Rosenbergs?

  485. @getaclue

    ” … went on a raping, robbing, murdering rampage … ”

    May be it all was planned ? When something negative (real or fake, regarding victims)
    captures attention of millions there’s always a good chance that it was planned.
    And pretty much by the same type of people, who always leave their signatures on
    the case.

  486. @EliteCommInc.

    It’s simple, EC. Just admit that you’re full of shit. If you can’t do that, then your attempts at defending your bullshit are a waste of time and bandwidth.

  487. I was on the air with John Stadtmiller last night discussing the Pozner v. Fetzer lawsuit:

    The National Intel Report with John Stadtmiller, October 24, 2019, Hour 1
    http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/the-national-intel-report-with-john-stadtmiller-october-24-2019-hour-1/
    The National Intel Report with John Stadtmiller, October 24, 2019, Hour 2
    http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/the-national-intel-report-with-john-stadtmiller-october-24-2019-hour-2/

    A new Legal Defense Fund has just been established at jamesfetzer.com, where none of the money raised will be used to offset the absurd $450,000 verdict but only to support the appeal that will set that award aside and the trial that I have been denied to correct the record, expose Sandy Hook and, to the extent possible under these circumstances, restore respect for the 1st Amendment, freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @onebornfree
    , @Robjil
    , @CMC
  488. ANON[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I must be lagging a long way behind. I’ve only just got to what I think is somewhere from a mild to a more virulent version of Mossad involvement, out of which I take Ron Unz to tend to favour the savage version which seems to require demolitions at the World Trade Center, though not elsewhere. So can you help me catch up?

    First big question if there were no planes which hit the WTC or Pentagon is whether the four flights existed and what happened to their passengers and crews. I mean was there no United Airlines flight 175 etc? Cancelled? All four of them?

    Interesting BTW that you mention the buildings exploding outwards and coming down because there you seem to be contradicting our host who (once, anyway: maybe a slip) has fallen for the collapse into the footprint error which anyone can see is incorrect. However the point you make may or may not be a good one. You think you should be able to see aeroplane parts in the rubble. I wonder whether that follows if you start (as my amateur figuring does – forgive me speculating if you are an engineer who has professional knowledge) with the weight of the plane being about 100 tons and the weight if each building about 500,000 tons.

    Over to you.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  489. @onebornfree

    Just your basic problem is that the government wasn’t party to the suit. Start again (maybe after learning more than Law and Litigation for Dummies would teach you).

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  490. @onebornfree

    I agree that footage of the WTC has been fabricated especially, the part about planes hitting the towers, I believe holograms were used and that no planes were used and that this was all faked, as no plane parts were ever found and on one film the plane nose is shown coming out of the other side of the tower, and so it was totally fake.

    What did you think about April Gallop, I believe her and again zero plane and or missile parts were found.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  491. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard of Oz says:“Just your basic problem is that the government wasn’t party to the suit.”

    And you know that, “for certain”, exactly how? Pray tell 🙂 .

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  492. Sparkon says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    As I am not well-versed on Sandy Hook, I have refrained from commenting until now, rather than go off-topic.

    I am cheered to read that a legal defense fund has been established for Dr. Fetzer so that this unfair decision against him can be overturned, but I think it was a bad idea for Jim Fetzer to enter a courtroom in the first place without a lawyer.

    Now, with over 500 comments, I trust Dr. Barrett will allow me a few off-topic remarks that Dr. Fetzer may find of interest, as well.

    [MORE]

    —-

    488 durd said:

    There are pics of melted rock from beneath the towers, dynamite doesn’t explain how that occurred.

    Those rocks were not melted on 9/11, but rather are an example of a glacial pothole.

    “This monumental carving was the work of glaciers, which made their last retreat from these parts about 20,000 years ago, leaving profound gouges in the earth and rocks from the Palisades, the Ramapo Mountains and an area of northern New Jersey known as the Newark Basin.

    As the ice passed over New Jersey,” Ms. Moss explained, “it picked up local rocks such as red shale and sandstone and gray basalt from the Palisades. As ice melted from the advancing glacier, raging streams of water flowed in front of it. The strong currents picked up the sand, gravel and boulders and carried them downstream across the World Trade Center site.

    “As these rocks bounced across the bedrock, essentially sandblasting the surface, the softer layers started to erode out and the harder rock left behind became polished. In places, the water swirled in whirlpools of varying sizes, carving out deep potholes and larger basins.”

    (My edits)

    At Ground Zero, Scenes From the Ice Age — NY Times — David W. Dunlap, Sept. 21, 2008

    In essence, the WTC had been built on existing landfill extending out from the Manhattan bedrock into the Hudson river, which previously had been a slightly shabby but thriving area of small electrical and electronic shops known as Radio Row that was demolished to make way for the WTC, which itself was entirely unnecessary when built as it doubled the amount of vacant office space in Manhattan. Not even one of the giant towers made any economic sense at the time, but they built two of them. “They” being the Rockefeller brothers David and Nelson, along with the the Port Authority of NY and NJ.

    I suggest the Twin Towers were constructed in order to be destroyed eventually in an occult ritual to kick off the so-called New World Order, which was accompanied by the massive theft of gold bars being stored in vaults beneath the WTC.

    There is in this scenario an eerie parallel with the tale of the Knights Templar and their theft of gold and riches from beneath King Solomon’s Temple, which was fronted by the twin pillars of Boaz and Jachin standing on its porch. I don’t know if that’s in your face symbolism, but certainly a person could be forgiven for jumping to that rash conclusion.

    The need to protect the slurry wall, or so-called bathtub beneath the WTC ruled out large underground explosions, which might have breached the dike and flooded part of lower Manhattan. That didn’t happen, so the reported underground explosions may have played some role in prep work for the controlled demolitions, or the explosions may have been the work of gold thieves trying to break into the vaults beneath the WTC, where a fortune in gold bars was being held.

    The Bank of Nova Scotia recovered $230 million in gold bars from their vault in a publicized operation led by Mayor Giuliani with his Police and Fire commissioners in on the act. The bank also said it lost a further $200 million. How did that work? And what about the last will and testament of Ferdinand Marcos, where he stated there was $20 billion in gold bars being stored beneath the WTC in perpetuity for the benefit of the Filipino people?

    Clearly, the Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down by powerful explosive agents that hurled multi ton steel segments hundreds of feet. Thermite can’t do that. Most of the ejected debris did not come down in the respective footprints of the Twins, but was scattered all over the WTC site and beyond, so there is virtually no debris heap over or on the respective footprints of the big Twins, nor is any crater visible there.

    Aside from the dust, most of the debris from the destroyed Twin Towers was in the form of numerous rectangular prefabricated external box-column sections sometimes called “wheat chex” or just chex that enclosed the Twin Towers like a cage. In the the early overhead pictures, these chex sections can be seen scattered all over and well beyond the WTC site, but there is virtually no sign of any of the buildings’ contents: no staircases, elevator cars, file cabinets, desks, commodes, plumbing, lighting fixtures, floor pans and joists, etc.

    Apparently, virtually all of the contents of the Twin Towers was turned to dust with the signature component of iron-rich microspheres, attesting to 1) the presence of extreme heat to melt the steel, and 2) the passage of the splattered steel through the atmosphere where surface tension formed it into tiny spheres that maintained their spherical shape as they cooled, solidified, and blew with the dust over and around New York City. You can’t do that with an underground explosion.

    The widely scattered chex sections and the presence of abundant microspheres in the WTC dust substantiates the idea of powerful above-ground explosions accompanied by extreme heat that were the agents that destroyed the WTC’s Twin Towers on 9/11.

    By contrast, the destruction of Bldg. 7 bears all the hallmarks of a classic controlled demolition using conventional explosives, and there is a substantial several-story uncharred debris heap directly on Bldg. 7’s footprint which is evident in several of the photographs taken after the event, both overhead and at street level.

    Bottom line: Follow the Gold.

  493. onebornfree says: • Website
    @DESERT FOX

    DESERT FOX says: “I agree that footage of the WTC has been fabricated especially, the part about planes hitting the towers, “

    Well, I’ve looked at all this for over 10 years.

    My opinion to date [for what thats worth 🙂 ], and as I repeatedly told Mr Fetzer on his radio show several years ago, is that all of the 5 channel US MSM original “live”footage broadcast that morning [ ie ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Fox ], as archived here: https://archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive/ , was/ is 100% pre-fabricated CGI imagery [manufactured prior to 9/11, then broadcast that morning as being genuine live imagery], as revealed by lone researcher Simon Shack in his 9/11 documentary series”September Clues”: http://www.septemberclues.info

    And since all of that US MSM “live”footage was prefabricated CGI, and since that fake footage depicted a plane hitting a tower, and then the top down collapse of WTC’s 1, 2 and the later collapse of WTC 7, then no planes struck WTC 1 or 2 [ although people may well have seen planes in the NY sky that morning], and that since the original “live” US MSM tower collapse sequences are also all 100% CGI fakes [ie every pixel], there is no sure way to know for certain exactly how the [empty] towers were demolished [off camera], but that more than likely they were brought down [off camera] via conventional building demolition methodology [ie pre-planted dynamite].

    Endlessly analyzing fake tower collapse videos videos to”prove” that nukes, or direct energy weapons, or even dynamite brought them all down is a complete waste of time, as far as I’m concerned.

    DESERT FOX says: “I believe holograms were used

    This hypothesis was first put forward by “researcher” Richard Hall.

    In my opinion, Hall , like J.Wood, has misrepresented [ ie blatantly lied] regarding certain aspects of his research , in particular the flight path of Fl.175 in its last seconds of approach to WTC2 . I examined his “research” several years ago, here :

    “Total 9/11 Video Fakery vs. Richard Hall’s Holographic Plane Hypothesis: A Critique – Part 1”:
    http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/total-911-video-fakery-vs-richard-halls.html

    DESERT FOX says: “What did you think about April Gallop, I believe her and again zero plane and or missile parts were found.”

    Well, plane parts were found, 🙂 , however , as you no doubt know, they were all either planted by the FBI [ie down town NYC], or presumably by Pentagon employees at the Pentagon “crash” site.

    But since many/all photos taken at the Pentagon site are heavily photo-shopped [ as researcher Jack White demonstrated] , its possible that the plane parts seen in those photos were just photo-shopped in too.

    And, of course, no plane parts at Shanksville either 🙂

    And so it goes….

    Regards,onebornfree

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Mike P
  494. onebornfree says: • Website
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    J. Fetzer says: “I have been denied to correct the record, expose Sandy Hook and, to the extent possible under these circumstances, restore respect for the 1st Amendment, freedom of speech and freedom of the press.”

    Mr Fetzer, your co[?]publisher, Mr Gahary, has admitted in another thread here (http://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_dave-gahary-on-free-speech-sandy-hook-trumps-syria-withdrawal/ ] that he withdrew “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook” because he’d decided that Pozner is a genuine person.

    What’s next- will he decide to withdraw the 9/11 book, or the Parkland book because he disagrees with one[or more?] of your claims about those alleged events too?

    Seems like you need to find a new publication outlet.

    He also claims, in the same thread , that the case has nothing to do with , as you put it: “the 1st Amendment, freedom of speech and freedom of the press”
    http://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_dave-gahary-on-free-speech-sandy-hook-trumps-syria-withdrawal/

    Regards, onebornfree

  495. Always that familiar circle of people around these events. Let’s NOT assume that the government and media are honest regarding Newtown. Too many bizarre coincidences.

    911 > Kroll > Sandy Hook

    “Kroll secured yet another high profile contract — when they quickly secured a security contract post Sandy Hook massacre”
    https://medium.com/@laurenspitzberg/did-the-son-of-the-worlds-premier-fixer-fix-his-hollywood-career-c4373c6e1a83
    http://www.westport-news.com/news/article/School-board-backs-security-audit-at-twice-4216315.php

  496. @onebornfree

    Thanks for your reply and the links.

  497. “It’s simple, EC. Just admit that you’re full of shit. If you can’t do that, then your attempts at defending your bullshit are a waste of time and bandwidth”

    Laughing

    The definition stands on its own. Rate and ratio as applied. Not a deceptive angle about. Nit picking about the word kill does in any manner change the meaning or the intent.

    If you can find any standard wounded rate/ratio that would indicate some unique cause to question the validity of an incident —

    feel free to present it. Laugh.

    If you can’t admit that the definition from Websters staring you in the face contradicts the accusation —

    Then don’t waste your time attempting debunk the content right in front of you. Your failure to overcome the contention is not a dishonest person make. Just admit the accuser was in error, make the appropriate apologies for the false accusation and and move on.

    If you can’t do that . . . stop wasting space. Laugh.

    I can’t believe after the definitions and the original conversation full on display — that anyone is whining about the difference between rate and ration in the exchange.

    So step up — provide the standard rate/ratio by which one incident would be in question based on any number of related shootings.

    Simple press . . . either you have an answer or you don’t. Calling me dishonest while convenient, predictable and wrong is no escape top the contend.

    I was willing to let the matter slide but since you insist — make the case

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  498. Mike P says:
    @onebornfree

    If indeed WTC 1 and 2 were conventionally demolished, then I would think the rubble piles left behind would have be larger. It seems much of the concrete did indeed dissolve into those large dust clouds; the the dust did indeed spread over a large area and contained nanothermite. This suggests that the building collapses were anomalous, not just regular, conventional demolitions.

    That doesn’t mean the footage shown on TV wasn’t prefabricated, of course.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  499. gsjackson says:
    @ANON

    I haven’t watched this video, and don’t know if it’s the best presentation of her ideas, but Rebekah Roth has a very convincing account of what happened to the planes.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @ANON
  500. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Mike P

    Well, it seems to me that if an individual concludes that the “live” TV footage was/is 100% fake, [including plane strikes, and building collapses ], then that same individual is somewhat “illogical”[ to say the least] to then cavalierly assume that any alleged “genuine” photos of rubble piles are in fact genuine.

    There’s an old longstanding legal principle: “false in one, false in all”.

    But if the individual does indeed want to make that assumption [the rubble photos are genuine] that’s their choice , I suppose 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Mike P
  501. onebornfree says: • Website
    @gsjackson

    Didn’t view the video, but, this just in:

    the dramatic tower collapse still-frame shot that makes up the pre-view thumbnail of the video is 100% fake, just like every other tower collapse video, still frame, or photo in existence.

    regards, onebornfree

  502. Robjil says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Now we have only Ziondom of speech and Ziondom of the press. Freedom of the speech and the press is so 19th century, perhaps the last time we had it.

    That is our reality in the 21st century, stronger than even the 2oth century.

    Whatever happened to the Age of Aquarius, peace, love and understanding.
    Those singers in the 1960s-early 1970s lied to us.

    Our rulers are telling this out loud this days by banning books, knocking down websites, firing people,fining people like you and jailing people who speak up against Zion practices.

    • Agree: Iris
  503. Sparkon says:
    @onebornfree

    Well, it seems to me that if an individual concludes that the “live” TV footage was/is 100% fake, [including plane strikes, and building collapses ], then that same individual is somewhat “illogical”[ to say the least] to then cavalierly assume that any alleged “genuine” photos of rubble piles are in fact genuine.

    There’s an old longstanding legal principle: “false in one, false in all”.

    But if the individual does indeed want to make that assumption [the rubble photos are genuine] that’s their choice

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus refers to witness testimony, and has nothing to do with photographs, each of which must be evaluated on its own merits, like everything else.

    If they created fake pictures of a rubble heap for Bldg. 7, then surely they would have done the same thing for the Twin Towers, but they didn’t do that and there are no substantial rubble heaps visible in the footprints of either Twin Tower, so your argument has no logical consistency and little merit.

    Of course, you are entirely free to tell me why you think the photos of Bldg. 7’s rubble pile are fake. I see nothing fake about them, but the ball now is in your court, so have at it.

    My approach to the use of CGI on 9/11 is rather more nuanced than to assert flatly as you do that “TV footage was/is 100% fake.”

    Rather, I suggest most of the televised images of the buildings were real, but the televised images of the 767s crashing into them were fake, while the explosions and fireball were real but slightly late for the show, so we see Hezarkhani’s still frame where the 767 appears to have plunged into the facade of WTC 2, but there is no visible reaction from either airplane or building, and we know the image must be fake.

    By 2000, video manipulation software like Princeton Video’s L-VIS could both add and remove objects from live video broadcasts, and I think this is likely what was done with the fake 767s. Recall that CBS execs were warning about the potential danger of this very software in early 2000 after a small rhubarb erupted when CBS used the technology to cover a rival’s logo in Times Square with its own logo during Dan Rather’s New Year’s Eve broadcast. The execs warned of potential for abuse because this software made fake events like planes crashing look “too real.”

    Similarly, I think the demolition videos record the actual events, but in the case of the Twin Towers, the demolition sequences could have been overlain with various special effects, extra smoke, and such to partially conceal some aspects of the demolition using software like L-VIS.

    And I suppose it is possible conventional explosives could have hurled that several-ton exterior box-column section several hundred feet into the Winter Garden Atrium, but I have my doubts.

    And then there are the cooked cars that are difficult to explain without resorting to some kind of exotic technology, but perhaps you think all that material has been photoshopped too.

  504. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Many people no longer believe that any planes hit the WTC, I’m just one of them

    Dear Nosey;
    The fact that hollow wings made of a soft metal (aluminium) cannot cut and penetrate a façade made of much solid structural steel has been publicly highlighted in scientific publications critical of the NIST 9/11 report. It is a violation of all the knowledge we have ever gathered in Material Sciences: such prodigy never happened before 9/11, and never repeated afterwards.

    But to avoid lengthy discussion with the resident trolls, one can simply watch and compare footages of the South Tower, shot from the same angle, one showing the CGI “plane” and the explosion, the other showing NO plane at all and an explosion (starts at 01:00).Best.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  505. @EliteCommInc.

    I made the original comment about the kill/wounded figure.

    The flames have been flying on this (no killed, no wounded 😉 ) but interestingly no-one has attempted to look at any data on this (on this thread).

    So, I just randomly pulled five infamous school shootings. Here are the numbers:

    Columbine: 13 K, 21 W
    W. Paducah, KY 3K, 5W
    Pearl, MS 2K, 7W
    Jonesboro, AR 4 K, 10W
    Springfield, OR 2K, 25W

    Rule of thumb–when area paramedics hear on the local radio that there were a lot of kids killed in a mass school shooting it is reasonable for them to expect there will be a lot of wounded that will need treatment and they should make themselves available.

    That was their presumption at the time–and mine as well.

    It is just not more complicated than that.

  506. Mike P says:
    @onebornfree

    On the other hand, if the rubble piles were really as large as they should have been in case of an orderly collapse of the buildings into their own footprints, then how do you account for the lack of photographic evidence of them?

    The fake plane crash sites at the Pentagon and in Shanksville are obvious for their lack of debris. These photographs probably weren’t publicised by the perpetrators of the hoax. If we have those, how come we have no real photographs of large rubble piles in Manhattan?

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  507. onebornfree says: • Website

    It never ceases to amaze me as to how consistently some individuals will misread what I said in order to make some erroneous point or another.

    I had said :” it seems to me that IFan individual concludes that the “live” TV footage was/is 100% fake, [including plane strikes, and building collapses ], THEN that same individual is somewhat “illogical”[ to say the least] to then cavalierly assume that any alleged “genuine” photos of rubble piles are in fact genuine”

    Hint: the two words above now capitalized and emboldened [ IF and THEN], are qualifiers for the sentence [look it up].

    Obviously, IF you have not concluded to date that all of the original “live”US MSM footage for the morning of 9/11 ]ABC,CBS,CNN,Fox, NBC] was/is fake, THEN in your case, even thinking about employing the “false in one, false in all” principle simply does not apply!

    If you ever do reach that conclusion [ unlikely but you never know 🙂 ] perhaps THEN you might wish to employ that principle with regards to the question of authenticity of rubble piles and “cooked car”photos.

    But quite frankly, I don’t care either way – you are entitled to your current [in my opinion very muddled] 9/11 beliefs as I am to mine, and I have no desire to argue with you , or with anyone else about the “truth” of yours or their beliefs versus mine, for free, here.

    “Regards”onebornfree

  508. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Mike P

    Mike P says: “On the other hand, if the rubble piles were really as large as they should have been in case of an orderly collapse of the buildings into their own footprints, then how do you account for the lack of photographic evidence of them? “

    I’m sorry, I don’t get your point here. Your question appears to be internally contradictory. [If there’s a lack of photographic evidence of them how can one know how large the rubble piles were?]

    But maybe I misunderstood.

    Regards, onebornfree

    NB: THE WHOLE 9/11 THING HAS GOTTEN WAY OFF TOPIC OF THE THREAD – I’M NOT DISCUSSING IT FURTHER IN THIS THREAD , SORRY.

    • Replies: @Whammo
  509. ANON[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @gsjackson

    I have wasted too much time listening to her verbal diarrhea without getting anywhere near an account of anything but how much she would like to sell us her works of fiction so would you please summarise and tell us what she said about the fate of the planes. Also why you think it credible.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  510. gsjackson says:
    @ANON

    The planes were flown to an abandoned air base probably in upstate New York and the passengers murdered. She is a former flight attendant and pointed out lots of protocol breaches and such that suggest the phone calls were made from the ground, which I guess they would have to have been in 2001. If you can find an interview of her with Jeff Rense, I don’t recall her taking a lot of time there getting to the main points.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @ANON
    , @ANON
  511. @EliteCommInc.

    HeyJackass – Chicago Crime 2019
    Year to Date
    Shot & Killed: 398…Wounded: 1916….
    [killed 17% ; 1 in 5]

    Fun fact: The “assault rifle” concept was created during WW2 and favored lighter, less powerful bullets that could be fired in greater quantities.

    M1 girand: 2,600 foot-pounds, 8 round mag
    AR-15: 1,200 foot-pounds, 30 round mag

    The problem I see, is if there are survivors, then there would have to be people running around years, decades after who would be able to show a gunshot scar.

  512. @Iris

    Thanks for that Iris, I hadn’t seen it before. I “knew” something was odd almost from the beginning and the more one looks into it so the more obvious it becomes. I am convinced that exposing the fraud of this monstrous evil event is the key to unmasking and disempowering those behind the insanity.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  513. “Rule of thumb–when area paramedics hear on the local radio that there were a lot of kids killed in a mass school shooting it is reasonable for them to expect there will be a lot of wounded that will need treatment and they should make themselves available.”

    Before responding a couple of observations. I don’t think “mass shootings” a growing problem. There are years when they spike, but these incidences are rare, in my view. Certainly, rare enough to push back against any “anti gun legislation to confiscate weapons”.

    I could not locate this radio traffic. Though I appreciate you providing some references. Here’s my own list:

    https://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/presidents-and-mass-shootings

    Cases much more prominant and considerable higher numbers, but interestingly includes the totals per admin. But I could find no unique trend that would indicate that any would be suspicious save one, Las Vegas in which the numbers of wounded were very high. But then the circumstances of that event was also unique. But in looking at the totals five admin, experienced incidents in which there were more dead than wounded or were half and half overall and and in the nine specific examples there were four incidents in which the wounded to kill were either fifty percent of more killed than wounded.

    But all in all no pattern that would suggest to me, that it is more likely to be a hoax. What seems to make the huge difference is the venue and potential avenues of escape and individual awareness of the threat. I think your comment is considered. Though in my view, the smaller the numbers overall, the easier it makes to create a hoax.

    All in all we don’t seem to have any standard by which one could measure and determine possible hoax to an actual incident. In my view if I was looking across the landscape of these incidents, it 26 murdered to 20 wounded is not suspicious. And this is my view and mine alone, not suspicious enough for me to question the reality event.

    I think it is interesting that you took the time to actually look up those numbers. But I think its clear that nothing in my response represents any manner of dishonest representation or intent, and in no manner do I change the meaning of your comments. And while there has yet to be the pressed standard ratio by which to make the assessment you made that is applicable to general use. I get that the numbers effected you in a such a manner. That’s just over 56% more killed than wounded.

    ———————————————————–
    Interesting

    “HeyJackass – Chicago Crime 2019
    Year to Date
    Shot & Killed: 398…Wounded: 1916….
    [killed 17% ; 1 in 5]”

    By what that measure tell me how many you consider to have been suspicious such that the incident might be a hoax. And while i appreciate your submission, it does not address the issue and according to my source you are missing about 160 deaths or so — quibbling. No matter, several issues can be resolved.

    1. rate and ration are in fact the same given the context
    2. if used to determine a standard of proof for an incident – probably required
    3. beyond that no rationale based on the numbers to determine proof of incident to hoax is
    available for generalized application
    4. in making such comparisons one would include circumstance, venue, and awareness among
    other factors to consider the referenced ratios/rates a factor in whether the incident was a
    possible hoax and important in understanding why the numbers might differ in any given
    incident
    5. I did not lie, or manufacture an argument that was not relevant to the discussion with the
    commenter in question.
    6. There is no indication via the exchange that supports the contend that I have engaged in
    dishonest discourse or attempted to mislead.
    7. It is entirely possible to hold a counter view without having any ill intent or motive.

    I think it is fair to say that when considering this issue, more rounds are fired that miss the intended targets that hit. And if I were looking to consider whether said incident was a measured staged event or a actual incident, that might be a place to look. However, given that there is no pattern it simply is generally true that more people are wounded than killed — however, when looking at the indents, no pattern is derived could indicate a hoax from real event. And in the case of school shootings based on awareness and setting (escape root environment) it probably is not shocking that those killed outnumber or may fare at about (roughly) half and half.

    To the original commenter, my aside was not in any manner an attempt to deceive you. I did consider the suspicion parameter — but not as a variable that questioned your integrity in any manner.
    5.

  514. “HeyJackass – Chicago Crime 2019
    Year to Date
    Shot & Killed: 398…Wounded: 1916….
    [killed 17% ; 1 in 5]”

    I responded as a courtesy, I don’t think your references are at all pertinent to this discussion about “mass shootings” and what might be an indicator that such an an cident might be a hoax.

  515. @davidgmillsatty

    And why exactly is “public confidence n the courts” a good thing?

  516. It is unfortunate that so many exchanges are mangled by accusations based on on how someone feels as opposed to the data on hand.

    That people so carelessly make accusations in attempts to discredit another as mere political or social stigma because they challenge some orthodoxy. Telling that the loudest voices against stifling free speech are quick with innuendo, personal accusations merely on how they feel about others, or the refusal of others to conform to some standard that empowers only the perspective they advance —

    for the purposes of silencing desecent. And when the accusations, arguments are wrong, (really backfire) lack the courage they demand of others to acknowledge it. Despite the fact that the damage is done, I guess that is the endgame — personal damage at any cost.

    I haven’t invested as much as others on this issue. But if some of the more prominant voices engaged in discourse as demonstrated on this issue of rate to ratio to suspicious realities is any indication, I would certainly understand why someone (not me I am not the type) might very well be disturbed enough to seek redress. It’s a lot of work to defend yourself against baseless accusations.

  517. @KenH

    Yes, that’s probably how laws against “Holocaust denial” will come to America.

  518. @Iris

    We don’t know if he’s American, but we do know he’s a major tool.

    • Replies: @Iris
  519. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hello Nosey;

    There are many aberrations that prove to anybody with a logical mind that the WTC “planes” are fake. No need for an engineering background.

    For instance, the Hezarkhani video of WTC2 is ludicrous: the façade of the Tower is seen exploding only AFTER the wings have completely dived into the building:

    How ludicrous is that, considering that the wings have their own fuel tanks, that should explode immediately upon crash?

  520. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Another “remarkable” video of the prodigious WTC2 plane’s nose poking out (!!) the other side of the Tower.

    It was obvious CGI, and a very poor and rudimentary one for that matter.

    Of course, the explosions are real, the 3000 deaths’ holocaust is real, the collapses are real.

    But it was executed with planted explosives, not with “planes”. Best.

  521. @utu

    What’s shocking here isn’t just your level of stupidity, but also the fact that you think you’re funny.

  522. Iris says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    It is very interesting that you bring this topic.

    I believe Utu thinks that alternative conspiracy theories, different from the one he adheres to, damage the search for truth by discrediting the Truthers.

    He is not the only one: I’ve met on this thread other very sincere Americans who think that I am some troll/shill because I believe that the WTC was brought down by underground nuclear explosion.
    This is of course not correct: the reason why I KNOW about the WTC nuclear demolition is because my background is in Physics.

    It is clear that there is an emotional aspect in their reaction: people always refuse to admit a horrible, distressing truth.
    I am not American, but I, too, was further shocked when I realised that the Zionists had gone to the extent of detonating nuclear charges in the heart of NYC. It really gives another dimension to their madness, and a taste of the worst to come. Keep well, best.

  523. Anyone who thinks Robbie Parker isn’t an actor getting into character is either a liar or an idiot (or maybe a first-year psychology student):

    • Agree: Iris, DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
    , @onebornfree
  524. @dimples

    Relatives of real victims couldn’t be trotted out to affirm that government investigations into the matter were completely legitimate, like with 9-11 e.g. Real survivors who dispute the story can of course be ignored, but that’s not the point; often fake survivors are required to perpetuate the story.

    • Replies: @Iris
  525. @Anon

    Yeah, your “many BBC friends”. What horseshit.

  526. Iris says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Also, what happens with most false flags, when actually executed, is unintended consequences and uncontrolled loose ends.

    Reality has its own course and logics which cannot be controlled by a script and masked by sycophantic media.

    9/11 is the perfect example. The Israelis who brought down the WTC were very proud of themselves and thought they had everything covered and under control:
    – they used a underground controlled demolition that produced almost no noise at the surface.
    – the CGI “planes” gave credence to the “Al-Qaeda New Pearl Harbour” cock-and-bull story.

    What went wrong and completely derailed their plan is the following:

    1) The explosions that brought down WTC1&2 also destroyed WTC7 inside, probably because WTC7 was connected to the formers by tunnels that presented a path of less resistance to the pressure blast.
    WTC7 become the obvious, standing evidence of collateral damage from controlled demolition. It had to be hastily demolished, despite no “credible” false flag scenario had been prepared for it.

    2) The other unpredictable loose end is that some people had the idea to take aerial infrared photos of the WTC burning footprints, which over the course of 4 months, proved that the equivalent of at least a 900 MW nuclear reactor had been burning in the WTC’s ground.

    This is how bragging, arrogant criminals get uncovered. I don’t think anybody actually believes the 9/11 official version; it is just a political taboo people avoid discussing.

    On the other hand, engineered events such as SH are “safer”for the perpetrators, as there are no real consequences to worry about. The narrative can be adjusted on demand and never be contradicted by reality.

  527. ANON[945] • Disclaimer says:
    @gsjackson

    But you don’t actually believe that do you? I mean, spell out the implications!!!

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  528. @onebornfree

    Are you serious? Tell me a way in whivh the government (and which government) *could have been a party to that action in tort against Dr.Fetzer.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  529. @davidgmillsatty

    Thanks for making the law clear as it clearly baffled both Kevin Barrett and Dr
    Fetzer. That is why the article didn’t deserve to be published. If it weren’t for that great researcher David Irving proving that highly intelligent people can do even stupider things by actually starting a libel action without a lawyer to represent him I would have put Dr. Fetzer’s blundering into court without a lawyer as close to the top.

    Much as I favour free speech I shall withold any contribution to his case at least until he is shown to be sane.

    But…. congratulations Ron Unz. I hope your occasionally idiosyncratic sense of humour is satisfied by your collecting up what may be your greatest collection of nutters for this thread.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  530. ANON[636] • Disclaimer says:
    @gsjackson

    But you don’t really believe that and all it entails, do you?

  531. The government’s account of SH is obviously a lie. This point is completely distinct from whether all of Fetzer’s claims are correct (some are not) or whether he’s a disinformation agent (he might be). What’s revealing here is how the concern trolls (aka cucks; you know who I’m talking about) crawl out of the woodwork to fret over the propriety of it all. Seriously, who gets mad over someone having an odd opinion? Speaks volumes.

  532. And who could forget the incomparable Gene Rosen? Clearly an amazingly bad actor. It’s one thing if only one participant acted weird here, that could be dismissed as stress or shock. But in literally all these events, the “witnesses” engage in lampoonishly laughable overacting and launch into public policy talking points. Not even remotely believable.

  533. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Agree. Unfortunately, squeezed between “dumb”, “careless”, “scared” from below,
    and “corrupt”, “obligated by the oath to some fraternity”, “intimidated” (let alone
    “naturally evil”, “psychopathic”, “mind controlled”) from above, evidence and proof
    have little value.

  534. Whammo says:
    @onebornfree

    Almost every claim made by Fetzer regarding Sandy Hook has been proven to be false or misleading. All of this has been documented at crisisactorsguild.com . Check it out

    • Disagree: DESERT FOX
    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  535. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Whammo

    Whammo says: “Almost every claim made by Fetzer regarding Sandy Hook has been proven to be false or misleading. All of this has been documented at crisisactorsguild.com . Check it out”

    Can you even read? The post of mine you are specifically replying to was specifically about 9/11, it has nothing in it about the alleged events at Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook is not even mentioned!

    No regards, onebornfree

  536. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard of Oz says:“Tell me a way in whivh the government (and which government) *could have been a party to that action in tort against Dr.Fetzer.”

    No.

    You tell me how you know with absolute certainty that the government was not involved [ignoring the fact that the entire charade took place in a government -run/controlled courtroom].

    “Regards” onebornfree

  537. Leaving aside any particular claim by Fetzer, why is the idea that the government can run a secret operation involving hundreds if not thousands of people controversial? It seems blindingly obvious to me.

    • Agree: Mike P, Iris, Justvisiting
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @Iris
  538. Richard B says:
    @Kratoklastes

    John Taylor Gatto’s work repays reading for those who want to disabuse themselves of incorrect premises regarding education systems.

    You confused what I said about “education” with a bureaucratic educational system.

    Two completely different things.

    I’m familiar with his work and like a lot of it.

    But, the Prussian theory is obvious BS deflection coming from a teacher living in NYC who would have been hung upside down and skinned alive if he told the truth.

    In any event, he would have agreed that education is intended to impart knowledge and remove ignorance and he’s said as much in his work.

    Do you think he was against knowledge and for ignorance?

    The whole point of Gatto’s justifiable outrage against the bureaucracy was that they did everything they could to make sure our schools did not impart knowledge and remove ignorance, and succeeded.

    Whatever system was used is much less important than who used it.

    And the people using the educational system against Americans weren’t Prussians.

  539. gsjackson says:
    @ANON

    What difference does it make what I believe? If you think this narrative fails to account for some of the known facts then by all means familiarize yourself with it and feel free to report in.

    I don’t know what you mean by implications. It certainly implies that 9-11 was a complete hoax perpetrated by a diabolical cabal intent on manipulating public opinion to support war mongering in the Middle East, a heinous act by murderous psychopaths …. but that’s pretty much a given around here.

  540. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Just think ‘Manhattan Project.’

    Thousands of people involved. Not a peep.

    Give people a reason [whatever it is, secrecy or good old ‘angst,’ etc.], make sure you punish whistle blowers real hard [Manning, Assagne, etc.], plus an additional hostile press to pull anyone over the rakes, and you’ve got a perfect recipe for a lot of concurrent silence.

    Was amazed to see the mini TV series ‘Wormwood’ on Netflix, because it digs rather deep into the secrecy of the US government. Not all the way, of course, but still…

  541. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Thanks for posting this here. I’d tried looking on Youtube for it but it had been completely whitewashed-or so I thought.

    Good to see that someone has successfully re-uploaded it there – although it probably won’t last too long, as you well know.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  542. @onebornfree

    Yeah, you have to dig a little bit to find it, but it’s still there. That seems to be how they’re doing it now: not a complete scrub, but unless you know exactly what to look for (precise search terms, etc.), it’s effectively hidden.

  543. @Sean

    Lucy said she never read Jim’s edited book.

  544. Iris says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    In another oh his recent articles, Dr Barrett interviewed British author N. Kollerstrom, whose recent book “Who did 9/11” has, surprise, surprise, just been banned by Amazon.

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_who-did-9-11-and-why-did-amazon-ban-nick-kollerstroms-book/

    While Mr Kollerstrom’s works cover the most interesting and politically-significant topics (the “Holocaust”, 9/11, 7/7), I was intrigued and amused to find that he also strived to document and research a seemingly innocuous, very early conspiracy theory about famed UK band The Beatles’ Paul McCartney having died in a car crash in 1966, and having been replaced by a lookalike.

    Actually, I was terribly intrigued because, despite reading a lot about everything, I’d never heard of the story. I did some research. To put it into context, it was not invented by some deluded fan, but entirely triggered by the Beatles themselves who started planting secret messages, heard when backward-playing their records, about Paul being dead. The secret messages fed a rumour in university campuses; it finally broke up on the world stage during a US radio show in Oct 1969.

    Even more intrigued now, I did more research into the arguments of the believers in the “Paul Is Dead” (PID) theory. I was astonished to find out that after 1966, McCartney’s eye colour had changed from brown to green, that his chin “grew” by about 2 cm while he was already a 24-year-old, that his fingerprints taken after an arrest for cannabis possession in Japan did not match his fingerprints as a young man, etc..

    The case is so intriguing that two Italian forensic experts set out to dismiss it, …only to conclude that the young Paul and the current Paul are not the same person!

    http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

    From my own limited research, I have now concluded that it is more likely than not that this is not the original musician.
    The most frequent argument I read from the non-believers is that it would have been impossible to fool the public for so long. My personal conclusion is that self-deluded, excessive belief in one’s intelligence constitute extremely powerful blinkers.

    John Lennon once said “Show business is the extension of the Jewish religion”; he must have had a first-hand knowledge, as the Beatles’ managing agent was a guy called Epstein.

    This sad story of an imposter, protected, managed and husbanded by powerful tribal actors, who have succeeded in duping everybody for fifty year, is a reminder of how easily fooled we are. The Sandy Hook conspiracy was a piece of cake in comparison. Best, dear Mighty.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  545. @Iris

    Thanks Iris. More generally, the 60’s counterculture appears to have been a thoroughly subverted movement:

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/06/laurel-canyon-military-intelligence-family-backgrounds-of-the-iconic-60s-counterculture-rock-stars/

    • Replies: @Iris
  546. Iris says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Interesting article, and not surprising at all.

    Isn’t it what happened yesterday, today, all the time? Public figures are often propped up for reasons other then their real achievements, the most shameful in my opinion being the scientists who plagiarise other people discoveries and get celebrated for their cheating.

    You have to give it to the 1960’s musicians though, they had talent and produced possibly the finest music of all the 20th Century.

    Also, I think people were really revolted: the world had barely recovered from WW2, people were profoundly conscious how lucky they were to have survived such a massacre, and suddenly the Cold War was shoved upon their throats, with the heightened threat of nuclear strikes. No wonder they contested. They couldn’t be that bad, people who love peace cannot be bad, no?

    The three original Beatles were endearing, cheeky, rebellious working class characters (You know that I am a hopeless leftie, dear 🙂 🙂 ). I feel sad to learn that a musical genius such as Paul McCartney, who emerged from within the genuine, highly lovable English people, was replaced by an insipid puppet who does as he is told. Including happily touring and singing in Occupied Palestine, which is no coincidence. Best.

  547. @Curmudgeon

    Chain of command? What chain of command? There is a chain of evidence that must be maintained but no “chain of command.” Unfamiliar with legal terminology or concepts? In that case, don’t use or refer to them.

  548. Fetzering
    Noun: 1. The act of making an unfounded or unsubstantiated claim.
    2. In philosophy, a method of debate or discussion based of the premise of: I think, therefore I am. I think you’re wrong. therefore you are.
    3. The act of disagreeing by employing rancor, name calling, ad hominem attacks or straw man argument.

    Etymology: Fetzering began in earnest in the late 1960’s, being implemented by a JFK conspiracy theorist and has since expanded it’s use in the 9/11 debate arena.
    1. Without evidence your claim is simple fetzering.

    2. He should rely on his data instead of fetzering

  549. CMC says:
    @James (Jim) Fetzer

    Any chance you’ll publish the complete appeal papers or ‘record on appeal’?

  550. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says: