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As the 18th anniversary of 9/11 approached, the arrest and alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein made headlines—and raised questions about the credibility of official narratives. As Eric Rasmusen writes: “Everybody, it seems, in New York society knew by 2000 that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were corrupting teenage girls, but the press wouldn’t cover it.” Likewise, everybody in New York society has long known that Larry Silverstein, who bought the asbestos-riddled white elephant World Trade Center in July 2001 and immediately doubled the insurance, is a mobbed-up friend of Netanyahu and a confessed participant in the controlled demolition of Building 7, from which he earned over 700 million insurance dollars on the pretext that al-Qaeda had somehow brought it down. But the press won’t cover that either.

The New York Times, America’s newspaper of record, has the investigative talent and resources to expose major corruption in New York. Why did the Times spend almost two decades ignoring the all-too-obvious antics of Epstein and Silverstein? Why is it letting the absurd tale of Epstein’s alleged suicide stand? Why hasn’t it used the work of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth—including the brand-new University of Alaska study on the controlled demolition of WTC-7—to expose the biggest scandal of the 21st century, if not all of American history?

The only conceivable answer is that The New York Times is somehow complicit in these monstrous crimes. It must be protecting its friends in high places. So who are those friends, and where are those high places?

One thing Epstein and Silverstein have in common, besides names ending in “-stein,” is alleged involvement in the illicit sex industry. Epstein’s antics, or at least some of them, are by now well-known. Not so for Silverstein, who apparently began his rags-to-9/11-riches story as a pimp supplying prostitutes and nude dancers to the shadier venues of NYC, alongside other illicit activities including “the heroin trade, money laundering and New York Police corruption.” All of this was exposed in a mid-1990s lawsuit. But good luck finding any investigative reports in The New York Times.

Another Epstein-Silverstein connection is their relationships to major American Jewish organizations. Even while he was allegedly pimping girls and running heroin, Larry Silverstein served as president for United Jewish Appeal of New York. As for Epstein, he was the boy toy and protégé of Les Wexner, co-founder of the Mega Group of Jewish billionaires associated with the World Jewish Congress, the Anti-Defamation League, and other pro-Israel groups. Indeed, there is no evidence that “self-made billionaire” Epstein ever earned significant amounts of money; his only investment “client” was Les Wexner. Epstein, a professional sexual blackmailer, used his supposed billionaire status as a cover story. In fact, he was just an employee working for Wexner and associated criminal/intelligence networks.

Which brings us to the third and most important Epstein-Silverstein similarity: They were both close to the government of Israel. Jeffrey Epstein’s handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Mossad super-spy Robert Maxwell; among his friends was Ehud Barak, who is currently challenging Netanyahu for leadership of Israel. Larry Silverstein, too, has friends in high Israeli places. According to Haaretz, Silverstein has “close ties with Netanyahu” (speaking to him on the phone every weekend) as well as with Ehud Barak, “whom Silverstein in the past offered a job as his representative in Israel” and who called Silverstein immediately after 9/11.

We may reasonably surmise that both Jeffrey Epstein and Larry Silverstein have been carrying on very important work on behalf of the state of Israel. And we may also surmise that this is the reason The New York Times has been covering up the scandals associated with both Israeli agents for almost two decades. The Times, though it pretends to be America’s newspaper of record, has always been Jewish-owned-and-operated. Its coverage has always been grotesquely distorted in favor of Israel. It has no interest in exposing the way Israel controls the United States by blackmailing its leaders (Epstein) and staging a fake “Arab-Muslim attack on America” (Silverstein). The awful truth is that The New York Times is part of the same Jewish-Zionist “we control America” network as Jeffrey Epstein and Larry Silverstein.

Epstein “Suicide” Illustrates Zionist Control of USA—and the Decadence and Depravity of Western Secularism

Since The New York Times and other mainstream media won’t go there, let’s reflect on the facts and lessons of the Jeffrey Epstein suicide scandal—a national disgrace that ought to shock Americans into rethinking their worldviews in general, and their views on the official myth of 9/11 in particular.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, convicted child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein was allegedly found dead in his cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) in New York City, one of America’s most corrupt prisons. The authorities claim Epstein hanged himself. But nobody, not even the presstitutes of America’s corporate propaganda media, convincingly pretends to believe the official story.

Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile pimp to presidents and potentates. His job was recruiting young girls for sex, then offering them to powerful men—in settings outfitted with hidden video cameras. When police raided his New York townhouse on July 6-7 2019 they found locked safes full of pornographic pictures of underage girls, along with piles of compact discs labeled “young (name of girl) + (name of VIP).” Epstein had been openly and brazenly carrying on such activities for more than two decades, as reported throughout most of that period by alternative media outlets including my own Truth Jihad Radio and False Flag Weekly News. (Even before the 2016 elections, my audience knew that both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were blackmailed clients of Jeffrey Epstein, that Clinton was a frequent flyer on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” private jet, and that Trump had been credibly accused in a lawsuit of joining Epstein in the brutal rape of a 13-year-old, to whom Trump then allegedly issued death threats.) It was only in the summer of 2019 that mainstream media and New York City prosecutors started talking about what used to be consigned to the world of “conspiracy theories.”

So who was Epstein working for? His primary employer was undoubtedly the Israeli Mossad and its worldwide Zionist crime network. Epstein’s handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Mossad super-spy Robert Maxwell. According to sworn depositions, Ghislaine Maxwell recruited underage girls for Epstein and oversaw his sex trafficking operations. As the New Yorker reported August 16: “In court papers that were unsealed on August 9th, it was alleged that Maxwell had been Epstein’s central accomplice, first as his girlfriend, and, later, as his trusted friend and procuress, grooming a steady stream of girls, some as young as fourteen, coercing them to have sex with Epstein at his various residences around the world, and occasionally participating in the sexual abuse herself.” Alongside Maxwell, Epstein’s other Mossad handler was Les Wexner, co-founder of the notorious Mega Group of billionaire Israeli spies, who appears to have originally recruited the penniless Epstein and handed him a phony fortune so Epstein could pose as a billionaire playboy.

Even after Epstein’s shady “suicide” mega-Mossadnik Maxwell continued to flaunt her impunity from American justice. She no doubt conspired to publicize the August 15 New York Post photograph of herself smiling and looking “chillingly serene” at In-And-Out-Burger in Los Angeles, reading The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of C.I.A. Operatives. That nauseating photo inspired the New Yorker to accuse her of having “gall”—a euphemism for the Yiddish chutzpah, a quality that flourishes in the overlapping Zionist and Kosher Nostra communities.

Maxwell and The New York Post, both Kosher Nostra/Mossad assets, were obviously sending a message to the CIA: Don’t mess with us or we will expose your complicity in these scandalous crimes. That is the Mossad’s standard operating procedure: Infiltrate and compromise Western intelligence services in order to prevent them from interfering with the Zionists’ over-the-top atrocities. According to French historian Laurent Guyénot’s hypothesis, the CIA’s false flag fake assassination attempt on President John F. Kennedy, designed to be blamed on Cuba, was transformed by Mossad into a real assassination—and the CIA couldn’t expose it due to its own complicity. (The motive: Stop JFK from ending Israel’s nuclear program.) The same scenario, Guyénot argues, explains the anomalies of the Mohamed Merah affair, the Charlie Hebdo killings, and the 9/11 false flag operation. It would not be surprising if Zionist-infiltrated elements of the CIA were made complicit in Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual blackmail activities, in order to protect Israel in the event Epstein had to be “burned” (which is apparently what has finally occurred).

So what really happened to Epstein? Perhaps the most likely scenario is that the Kosher Nostra, which owns New York in general and the mobbed-up MCC prison in particular, allowed the Mossad to exfiltrate Epstein to Occupied Palestine, where he will be given a facelift, a pension, a luxury suite overlooking the Mediterranean, and a steady stream of young sex slaves (Israel is the world’s capital of human trafficking, an honor it claimed from the Kosher Nostra enclaves of Odessa after World War II). Once the media heat wave blows over, Epstein will undoubtedly enjoy visits from his former Mossad handler Ghislaine Maxwell, his good friend Ehud Barak, and various other Zionist VIPs. He may even offer fresh sex slaves to visiting American congressmen.

This is not just a paranoid fantasy scenario. According to Eric Rasmusen: “The Justice Dept. had better not have let Epstein’s body be cremated. And they’d better give us convincing evidence that it’s his body. If I had $100 million to get out of jail with, acquiring a corpse and bribing a few people to switch fingerprints and DNA wouldn’t be hard. I find it worrying that the government has not released proof that Epstein is dead or a copy of the autopsy.”

But didn’t the alleged autopsy reportedly find broken neck bones that are more commonly associated with strangulation murders than suicides? That controversy may have been scripted to distract the public from an insider report on 4chan, first published before the news of Epstein’s “suicide” broke, that Epstein had been “switched out” of MCC. If so, the body with the broken neck bones wasn’t Epstein’s.

The Epstein affair (like 9/11) illustrates two critically important truths about Western secularism: there is no truth, and there are no limits. A society that no longer believes in God no longer believes in truth, since God is al-haqq, THE truth, without Whom the whole notion of truth has no metaphysical basis. The postmodern philosophers understand this perfectly well. They taught a whole generation of Western humanities scholars that truth is merely a function of power: people accept something as “true” to the extent that they are forced by power to accept it. So when the most powerful people in the world insist that three enormous steel-frame skyscrapers were blown to smithereens by relatively modest office fires on 9/11, that absurd assertion becomes the official “truth” as constructed by such Western institutions as governments, courts, media, and academia. Likewise, the assertion that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide under circumstances that render that assertion absurd will probably become the official “truth” as recorded and promulgated by the West’s ruling institutions, even though nobody will ever really believe it.

Epstein’s career as a shameless, openly-operating Mossad sexual blackmailer—like the in-your-face 9/11 coup—also illustrates another core truth of Western secularism: If there is no God, there are no limits (in this case, to human depravity and what it can get away with). Or as Dostoevsky famously put it: “If God does not exist, everything is permitted.” Since God alone can establish metaphysically-grounded limits between what is permitted and what is forbidden, a world without God will feature no such limits; in such a world Aleister Crowley’s satanic motto “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” becomes the one and only commandment. In today’s Godless West, why should men not “do what they wilt” and indulge their libidos by raping young girls if they can get away with it? After all, all the other sexual taboos are being broken, one by one. Fornication, adultery, homosexuality, sadomasochism, gender-bending…all of these have been transformed during my lifetime from crimes and vices to “human rights” enjoyed by the most liberal and fashionable right-thinking Western secularists. Even bestiality and necrophilia are poised to become normalized “sexual identities” whose practitioners will soon be proudly marching in “bestiality pride” and “necrophilia pride” parades. So why not normalize pedophilia and other forms of rape perpetrated by the strong against the weak? And why not add torture and murder in service to sexual gratification? After all, the secret bible of the sexual identity movement is the collected works of the Marquis de Sade, the satanic prophet of sexual liberation, with whom the liberal progressivist secular West is finally catching up. It will not be surprising if, just a few years after the Jeffrey Epstein “suicide” is consigned to the memory hole, we will be witnessing LGBTQBNPR parades, with the BNPR standing for bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, and rape. (It would have been LGBTQBNPRG, with the final G standing for Gropers like President Trump, except that the G was already taken by the gays.) The P’s, pioneers of pedophile pride parades, will undoubtedly celebrate Jeffrey Epstein as an ahead-of-his-time misunderstood hero who was unjustly persecuted on the basis of his unusual sexual orientation.

It is getting harder and harder to satirize the decadence and depravity of the secular West, which insists on parodying itself with ever-increasing outlandishness. When the book on this once-mighty civilization is written, and the ink is dry, readers will be astounded by the limitless lies of the drunk-on-chutzpah psychopaths who ran it into the ground.

 
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  1. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Lucky Larry only leased the WTC buildings rather than actually purchased them. I think I have read that his investment was in the region of 150 mill for which he has recouped a whopping 4 bill.

  2. Would you please answer a preliminary question before I put finishing this on my busy agenda? You stake a fair bit of your credit on what you say about Larry Silverstein and insurance. My present understanding is that the insurance cover for WTC 1 and 2 was increased as a routine part of the financing deal he had made for a purchase which was only months old. Not true? Not the full story? Convince us.

    As to WTC 7 my understanding is that he had owned the building for some years and had not recently increased the insurance. Not true? And when did any clause get into his WTC7 insurance contract which might have had some effect on inflating the payout?

  3. “Trump had been credibly accused in a lawsuit of joining Epstein in the brutal rape of a 13-year-old, to whom Trump then allegedly issued death threats.)”
    The “Katie Johnson” case collapsed in 2016 when it was revealed that “she” was in fact a middle-aged man, a stringer for the Jerry Springer show. Just another Gloria Allred fraud.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  4. nsa says:

    “a society that no longer believes in god no longer believes in the truth, since god is the truth….blah blah blah”
    This is thin gruel indeed…..just silly platitudes from a muzzie convert. There are at least 100 billion galaxies in the universe with each galaxy containing as many as 100 billion stars. And there is no telling how many universes there are. Does anyone really believe Barrett’s preferred deity takes a time out from running this vast empire to service Barrett’s yearning for “truth”? Just goes to prove that humans will believe almost any idea as long as it’s sufficiently idiotic.

  5. utu says:

    The release of Prof. J. Leroy Hulsey report on the finite element analysis of the WTC7 collapse should be a big news.

    http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf

    Conclusion form the EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:

    “The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse.”

    “It is our conclusion based upon these findings that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of all columns in the building and not a progressive collapse involving the sequential failure of columns throughout the building.”

  6. Trump is Israel’s best friend. Right? So why is the Jew York Times trying to destroy him? I don’t get it.

    • Agree: TKK
  7. Speaking of the truth v. parody I’d really rather work on the cause of Epstein’s death –yes I think he’s dead– suicide or strangulation?
    There are some things the Justice Dept. could do if they wanted to. Why they apparently didn’t want to expose the corpse in greater detail, let media view the cell, have correspondent(s) interview the ex- cellmate of Epstein, et.al just leads to suspicions. This is something they should have to answer for . That includes AG Barr. Trump could make it happen–like every thing else– if Barr says no. The President won’t.

    Because, I would like to believe Justice. That Epstein is in an unmarked grave in Florida after doing himself in. Part of that may be true. It’s just that I think he was murdered first.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  8. utu says:

    Dostoyevsky with his “If God does not exist, everything is permitted.” overlooked the Jewish God who permits much more when it comes to Jewish gentile relations. The Jewish God is not limited by the Kant’s First Moral Imperative. The Jewish God’s moral laws are not universal. They are context dependent according to the Leninist Who, whom rule.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  9. utu says:

    Not so for Silverstein, who apparently began his rags-to-9/11-riches story as a pimp supplying prostitutes and nude dancers to the shadier venues of NYC, alongside other illicit activities including “the heroin trade, money laundering and New York Police corruption.”

    I would like to see more about the beginnings of Silverstein’s career.

  10. Good work Kevin, Irrelevant exactly what Silverstein did in way of insurance.The FACT is that WTC7 DID NOT FALL due to fires. Neither did WTC1 or 2. The 6 million dollar question is ‘WHO put the ‘bang’ in the building?’ to bring them down, by what ever means. Im in favour of nukes for 1 and 2.
    Answer that! Why isnt Silverstein arrested? I think Kevin provided the answer in the article..

  11. The “Secular West” is run by Jews. The average American has nothing to do with this because the Media, Political and Economic Pathways are also controlled by the Jews. Here’s a good link to a video on Weimar Germany and how this is just about exactly what the Jews did there.

    https://www.darkmoon.me/tag/weimar-germany/

    and here is an article :

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/

    The White Westerners have been beaten into the ground with antisemitism, racism and political correctness. Most of them are done and the Jews will do what they did in 1919-1933 in Weimar and destroy what is left of America and Western Civilization.

    Everything they touch will die. They are the Grim Reaper of societies.

    • Agree: Moi
    • Replies: @Kapyong
  12. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Before interacting with this “Wizard of Oz” character, be aware that he/she/they often draw other commenters in with questions and requests that are seldom resolved to his/her/their satisfaction, or with cryptic insinuations that distract discussion.

    The same person also fuzzes up threads by pretending to be more than one commenter, the technique known as “sock puppetry.” See under Mr. Derbyshire’s February 15, 2019, article comment ## 28, 42, 43, 44, 68, 122, where he/she/they got sloppy also posting as “Anon[436].”

    Among this website’s oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  13. Antares says:

    I liked the article but skipped the part about some god. Nothing matches intellectual integrity.

    “It is getting harder and harder to satirize the decadence and depravity of the secular West”

    This is the same line of reasoning as Vltchek’s but then from a(nother) religious point of view.

  14. I just stumbled onto your article from a link on reddit, r/epstein. You make some convincing arguments. I was thrilled that you brought 9/11 into this – because the Epstein “suicide” and how it is being covered reminds me so much of how I felt after 9/11 and the run-up to the war. -But you lost me at the end with the stuff about Godless secularism. I’ve read the bible and it is not the answer to what’s wrong with the world.

    • Replies: @nietzsche1510
  15. Sean says:

    Why did the Times spend almost two decades ignoring the all-too-obvious antics of Epstein and Silverstein? Why is it letting the absurd tale of Epstein’s alleged suicide stand?

    One thing cannot be denied : Epstein was arrested, denied bail and jailed awaiting trail on a Federal indictment for much the same offence he had pleaded guilty to a decade ago, which did not involve even a single homicide yet made him universally reviled and in as much trouble with the legal system as a man could be (almost certain never to get out again). Epstein was in far more trouble that anyone of his financial resources has ever been, but then that was for paying for sex acts with young teen girls.

    What an awesomely impressive testament to the impunity enjoyed by the Jewish elite Epstein is. It is no wonder that Larry Silverstein was insouciant about the risks of a Jewish lightning fraud controlled demolition killing thousands of people in a building he had just bought and increased the insurance coverage of. After all, it wasn’t anything serious like paying for getting hundreds of handjobs from underage girls. And it is not like someone like the Pizzagate nut that fired his AR15 into underground child molestation complex beneath the Dems restaurant/pedophile centre would take all those WTC deaths seriously enough to shoot at him just because of inevitable internet accusations of mass murder. Mr Barrett, why don’t you step up and do it, thereby proving you believe the things you say.

  16. @NoseytheDuke

    Yes, he leased the World Trade Center buildings one and two from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. He built World Trade Center building seven, having acquired a ground lease from Port Authority.

    I can’t imagine why you ask this question in a public venue. I found the answer in less than one minute on the internet.

    I assume the insurance policies were for the present value of his net profits for the duration of the leases.

  17. Lastoknow says:

    I recall reading about this guy prior to the event. I believe it was USATODAY . He and a silent partner had bought the complex with a down of 63million and had it insured for 7billion. I thought it odd that the port authority would let go of the property at the time.
    As the building deficiencies became known afterwards,my thoughts were along the line of insurance fraud.
    I came across a copy of the rand Corp “state of the world 2000” which accurately describes the scenario and resulting culture of terror as “one possible future “…. funny how it’s taken all these years to discover this website.

  18. gotmituns says:

    9/11 – An inside job from the get-go. They brought the towers down by demo-implosion – probably C4 charges planted up and down the elevator shafts during normal maintenance. Detonated by remote control from a safe distance.

    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
    , @z
  19. “…Since God alone can establish metaphysically-grounded limits between what is permitted and what is forbidden, a world without God will feature no such limits…”

    Sounds pretty convincing, but only to (traditional) monotheists. After all, how do we receive a “message from God” about what is metaphysically permitted or forbidden? Only through his prophet, right? But how can we be absolutely sure that a self-proclaimed “prophet of God” is really what he claims to be ? There is no such absolute criterion. Such a “prophet” could be genuine, deluded or an impostor. Thus we have ultimately to resort to our reason to decide whether a prophet is real or phoney. But if human reason is the ultimate arbiter in this respect, then why not use it directly to decide what is moral and what is not? Thus we don’t need “God’s message” delivered through dubious “prophets” for our moral guidance. Being human, reasonable and sincere is enough.

  20. Ghali says:

    The mainstream presstitutes, including the NYT are owned and operated by pro-Israel Jews. One does not expet these propagnda organs to expose the crimes of their supporters and associates.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  21. GMC says:

    You nailed it again – Doc — great article ! If the US populace doesn’t figure it out, from the 9/11 re-investigation and the Epstein case, in which neither, seem to have any indictments coming down, then maybe they will see that the Southern N Y Judicial district, is run by the same tribe that funded – Trotsky. Looting America, was much easier than looting Russia and Germany. Thanks Unz Rev.

  22. Sean says:

    Indeed, there is no evidence that “self-made billionaire” Epstein ever earned significant amounts of money.

    Good thing that Wexner is Jewish so we can discount the possibility that he was telling the truth the other month when he said that Epstein stole vast amounts of Wexner money

    his only investment “client” was Les Wexner

    Clever of Wexner to give Epstein 80 million dollars to deliberately lose.
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-lost-usd80-million-in-hedge-fund-bet-gone-bad.html

    Alongside Maxwell, Epstein’s other Mossad handler was Les Wexner, co-founder of the notorious Mega Group of billionaire Israeli spies

    Wexner and his fellow Mossad spy Maxwell leaving Virginia Roberts alive to repeatedly sue them, and use the world”s media to accuse them of sexually abusing, trafficking, pimping her out to VIPs, and fiming the trysts was a brilliant way to keep everything a secret.

    Mossad handler Ghislaine Maxwell, his good friend Ehud Barak, and various other Zionist VIPs.

    Yes, they are the greatest covert operatives ever.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  23. Epstein’s crimes are simple breaches of etiquette when compared to Silverstein. I believe the term “Silverstein valleys” has been used to describe the melted granite discovered beneath the former towers, Silverstein grins widely in interviews, while so many suffered horribly.

    One might even consider the 9/11 deaths to be something of a “holocaust”. Certainly one of the most evil human beings to have walked the Earth.

    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
    , @Wally
    , @ivan
  24. Whitewolf says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Silverstein said he gave the okay for wtc 7 to be “pulled”. The building was on fire at the time. Either someone wired it to be pulled while it was on fire and already damaged or it was wired for demolition beforehand. The second scenario seems a lot more likely. In that case all the insurance contract details are largely irrelevant to the bigger picture.

  25. Truth3 says:

    Just Jews. All the time. Forever evil.

    • Agree: gotmituns
  26. The idea that the CIA is somehow independent of Mossad and that Mossad would have to warn the CIA off of the Epstein matter is implausible to me. Guyenot’s hypothesis tends to give cover to the CIA in the assassination of JFK by claiming that the CIA plot was set in motion as some sort of attempt to control JFK and that it was hijacked into an actual assassination by Mossad. That just isn’t credible.

    It’s much more accurate to observe that the CIA was erected by the same zionists who oversaw the creation of Israel and later the forming of Mossad, and that the two agencies have been joined at the hip ever since.

    • Agree: chris, annamaria
  27. @Wizard of Oz

    go away! you do not belong to this surrounding. go get your answers elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  28. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass

    Bad cop good cop. NYT is trying to destroy him . Israel says to him :” send this , do this ,allow us to do this , increase this by this amount , and we will make sure that in final analysis you don’t get hurt ”
    Trump possibly knows that the only people who could hurt him is the Jewish people of power .

    Has NYT ever criticized Trump for relocating embassy , recognizing Golan, for allowing Israel use Anerican resources to hit Syria or Gaza , for allowing Israel drag US into more military involvement. for allowing Israel wage war against Gaza ,? Has NYT ever explored the dynamics behind abrogation of JCPOA and application of more sanctions?

    NYT has focused on Russia gate knowing in advance that it has no merit and no public traction, Is it hurting Trump or itself ?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Durruti
  29. GeeBee says:
    @nsa

    You’re right of course. But humans are frail, frightened and fallen (with or without the Christian doctrine of original sin). As a result, they cling to their spooks and spirits and salvation in the sky. I am reminded of Gibbon’s wry observation concerning the gods of ancient Rome:

    “The policy of the emperors and the senate, as far as it concerned religion, was happily seconded by the reflections of the enlightened, and by the habits of the superstitious part of their subjects. The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people as equally true; by the philosopher as equally false; and by the magistrate as equally useful. And thus toleration produced not only mutual indulgence, but even religious concord.”

    A truly secular society is a difficult act to master. In today’s ‘post-Christian’ West, the central tenets of our moribund society derive from Protestant Christian axiology. It might very well appear to be a secular society, but it’s ethics and its moral grammar are those of the New Testament, and as such they are wreaking great havoc upon us. This quasi-Jewish tract is responsible for the sort of life-denying nonsense that has succeeded in replacing family and tribe with the ‘universalism’ that adjures its followers to find greater affinity with complete strangers, from totally different cultures, than with their own brothers, should those brothers ‘profess’ a different ‘faith’. This of course is the seedcorn of Communism, whereby one class – the workers – is adjured to find equally great affinity with those of their own condition throughout the world, rather than with the ordered structure of a functioning society at home. As the Jewish pundit Oscar Levy remarked, in his Foreword to George Pitt-Rivers The World Significance of the Russian Revolution in 1919:

    ‘There is a direct line of succession from Savonarola to Luther, from Luther to Robespierre and from Robespierre to Lenin.’

    Left-Liberal Progressivism is Protestant Christianity shorn of its miracles and mumbo-jumbo. It may appear secular, but the ‘mysterious’ half, of which it has divested itself, has been rapidly made good by means of the axiological half having grown to replace it, thus repairing the ruptured circle, as it were. The quasi-religious zeal, displayed by the Progressive zeitgeist, is actually far greater – and far more deleterious – than even that of the Puritans in the tragic and despicable ‘wars of religion’ of the sixteenth- and seventeenth-centuries.

    If we take Shaw’s and Nietzsche’s shared analogy that we of the great Western tradition are the inheritors of ‘Supermen’, then Christian axiology is the green kryptonite, that until the Reformation was stowed more or less safely and successfully inside the lead-lined box that was the Roman Catholic Church.

    Technology, in the form of the Guttenberg press, arguably led to the removal of said kryptonite from its traditional storage, where it was brazenly on display in the form of Calvin and Luther’s Reformation. Today, the next great leap forward in the world of communications, in the shape of the internet, might just see technology once again changing the world. The only question is, will it be for the better or the worse?

  30. @The Duke of Dork

    the whole Bible thing is the “fifth column” of the Talmudic Jew to slave us all, likewise, the two other monotheist outshoots. let´s revere our Mother Earth & enjoy our Father Time.

  31. Robjil says:

    Great article Kevin, thanks. The greatest tragedy of our time is in our faces, yet we can’t speak about it in public to save our planet.

    The west is living in a secular charade. It is not true secularism.

    It is the Jewish-Zionists at the top of the west who push whatever is ” Good for the Jews”.

    This GFJ agenda is like sifting sand in a desert.

    One minute a strong united USA would be the GFJ agenda.

    The next minute masses of people divided and fighting with each other is the GFJ agenda.

    Every second, every minute of every day the GFJ MSM of the west twists things like a pretzel.

    It makes no sense as secularism or religious-ism. It is GFJism and that is all to it.

    Aldous Huxley said that Darwin said the top people run the human species , that they are wild and need to be tamed by an alien species. Aldous Huxley, CS Lewis and JFK died the same day.

    The best way to tame these GFJists is “free speech”.

    Yet, they cry out in pain. Free speech hurts us, it is a crime to hurt us. We might melt.

    • Replies: @Wally
  32. @Twodees Partain

    their “marriage” was sealed with Kennedy´s assassination.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  33. Your comment depends for its validity on interpreting Silverstein’s words, which were by no means unambiguous**, as meaning that he knew the building was rigged for explosive demolition and had just ordered someone (who?) or accepted the advice of someone (who?) to detonate the charge(s).

    It’s hard to know what the biggest problem is about that. I’m inclined to think that he was not mad or distraught so wouldn’t have said anything so clearly contrary to his interests. (Hey, guys, at last I’ve got the excuse to blow up this crummy building and, yippee, its made my day!).

    **think it through this way. What would he say to explain the situation arising from the fire chief saying “five hours and no sign of our getting that fire out. In fact I’m afraid that our men could be in danger from collapse sometime in the next hour. I want them out. Any problem?” ? Then you have a building owner struggling for words in a situation he’s never experienced before saying….. well what do you say after you’ve received that appalling news? How about “Yeah, I see, you’re saying we gotta pull it? OK, OK, you’re the expert”? Then someone interviews him and he still lacks technical expertise to say any more than he did.

    Do you have a reason for thinking your guess is any better than the one I’ve put up for consideration above?

  34. @nietzsche1510

    Well it would be mildly flattering to be told by one of UR’s sane commenters that I didn’t belong in your company but, judging from your bizarre comments record that it cost me a click on your moniker to find I’m sure it isn’t worth hearing from you. You are a nutter.

  35. @NoseytheDuke

    It was a 100 year lease, which is better described by the word purchase.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @NoseytheDuke
  36. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:

    People with normal IQ would believe that Epstein killed himself, if the following took place –

    Media day and night asking questions about him from 360 degree of inquiries

    1 why the surveillance video were not functioning despite the serious nature of the charges against a man who could rat out a lot in court against powerful people
    2 why the coroner initially thought that Epstein was murdered
    3 how many guards and how many fell asleep?
    4 who and why allowed the spin story around Epstein brilliance and high IQ build up over the years ?
    5 how does Epstein come to get linked to non -Jews people who have absolute loyalty to Israel
    6 how did Epstein get involved with Jewish leaders ?
    7 How did Epstein continue to enjoy seat on Harvard and enjoy social celebrity status after plea deal ?
    8 Why did Wexner allow this man so much control over his asset ?
    9 Media felt if terrorism were unique Muslim thing , why media is not alluding to the fact that pedophilia is a unique Jewish thing ?
    10 why the angle of Israel being sex slavery capital and Epstein being sex slave pimp not being connected ?
    11 how death in prison in foreign unfriendly countries often become causus celebre by US media , politicians , NGO and US treasury – why not this death ?

  37. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Now do tell us oh mysterious [340] a little about your anonymous self. So far we don’t even know that there is something interesting to know about you and your views because all the evidence is that you are a somewhat autistic obsessive who repeats himself on a subject of no importance or interest to anyone else with almost pathological pedantic literal repetition.

    Curiously you do confirm the picture of high functioning autistics as people with no social skills or emotional intelligence whatever. After all, what are we dumb folk meant to think about your repeatedly warning us that we, unlike you, are not smart enough to deal with the wiles of this nefarious Wizard character?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  38. @Fozzy Bear

    Not true. A respectable civil rights attorney, Lisa Bloom, handled Katie Johnson’s case. Shortly before the scheduled press conference at which Johnson was to appear publicly, she received multiple death threats: “Bloom said that her firm’s website was hacked, that Anonymous had claimed responsibility, and that death threats and a bomb threat came in afterwards.” https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation Johnson folded because she was terrified (and perhaps paid off).

  39. DaveE says:
    @Twodees Partain

    In “Body of Secrets” by James Bamford, a newspaper article from the Truman era is referenced where the OSS, predecessor of the CIA, is described as “a converted vault in Washington used as an office space for 5 or 6 Jews working to protect our national secrets” (or similar wording).

    Going from memory and gave away my copy of the book….. sorry for the vague reference, but you can look it up.

  40. ANON[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whitewolf

    I think #34 (as it is now) probably counts as a considered response to your pithy, not to say summary, account.

  41. The attack on 911 on the WTC was done by Israel and the zionist controlled US government traitors and every thinking American knows it, 3000 Americans murdered and not a peep out of anyone on the real perpetrators and the congress aka the lower house of the knesset never said a word, and they all know who did it, that is control by the zionists that is beyond comprehension!

    This attack was meant to throw America into the mideast to destroy the mideast for zionist Israel and Israels greater Israel agenda ie the conquering the mideast for zionist Israel and in doing so AL CIADA aka ISIS was created by the zio/US and Israel and zio/Britain and zio/NATO to do terrorism to give the excuse to invade and bomb the hell out of Iraq and Syria and next on the agenda is Iran.

    Millions of innocent civilians have been murdered for zionist Israel by the zio/US and Israel and zio/Britain and zio/Nato, and thousands of Americans have been killed and hundreds of thousand wounded and crippled for life , all for zionist Israel.

    This is not the first time Israel and the zio/US has killed Americans for zionist Israel, the USS Liberty was attacked by Israel and the zio/US in a joint attack that killed 34 and wounded 194, in an attempt to sink the Liberty and get the zio/US into attacking Egypt! See these books Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Phil Nelson and survivors of the attack.

    Americas greatest enemy is zionism!

    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  42. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    You wouldn’t like to be thought naive would you? Suppose that plaintiff Johnson was a real actually existing person of the female persuasion and supposing that, between her and her second string celebrity counsel, they concluded they weren’t even going to get hush money out of Trump but, because he could be or was already elected to be President, they could be in danger from the FBI and Justice Department what would their crisis manager/PR flack advise. Death threats! Yep, that should be enough.

  43. Troy says:

    Would you please answer a preliminary question before I put finishing this on my busy agenda? You stake a fair bit of your credit on what you say about Larry Silverstein and insurance.

    No problem. Perhaps, we can also talk about the ludicrously obvious, high-explosive demolition of the Twin Towers & Building 7? And the astounding coincidence of both towers getting hit by two Boeing’s just before the explosives went off.

  44. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Be kind. Facts can upset him. He’s relied on his alcohol damaged memory and its let him down again.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  45. @Whitewolf

    Hey Whitewolf!

    While the late-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), the “Mastermind of 9/11″allegedly languishes in Camp X-Ray🙄 after his undergoing approximately 100 waterboarding sessions, the real Jewish “9/11 accomplice player” who knew everything about the pre-planned demolition of the WTC towers, was regrettably never waterboarded by ZUS crime investigators who very likely would have eliminated airplane crashes & pursuant fires as cause of Tower pancaking.

    “Lucky” Larry is the freest Amerikan high-terririst criminal in all my country’s history and unaccountable with peers,👺he will privately celebrate the next commemoration of the lies of September 11, 2001.

    Thanks, Whitewolf, the bigger evidence of 9/11 detail easily escaped the attention of the Zelikow 9/11 Report.

  46. DanFromCT says:
    @nsa

    An atheist like “nsa” must concede Dosteovsky’s point from his novel The Possessed that even for the atheist the concept of God represents the collective consciousness, highest principles, and ontological aspirations of believers. Given this sense, “nsa’s” real animus is more than likely an atavistic hatred of Christians and Muslims, probably for just being alive in his paranoid mind. What imbecility when this clown cites a multiverse of universes that has no proof and less plausibility for its existence than the tooth fairy. I’d also bet “nsa” speaks algebra, too, like the recently deceased mathematical genius, Jeffrey Epstein.

    What’s Mr. Wexner’s, Mega’s, and Mossad/CIA’s involvement? That’s the real question trolls like “nsa” and the Dems and Republicans alike are crapping in their pants we’ll find out. When evidence starts to cascade out of their ability to spin or suppress it, things will get interesting. Meanwhile, Fox News is still doing its best from what I can tell to run cover for 911, now extended to the suspiciously related perps in the Epstein affair.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
    , @Stonehands
  47. “The Epstein affair (like 9/11) illustrates two critically important truths about Western secularism: there is no truth, and there are no limits. A society that no longer believes in God no longer believes in truth…..”

    You said it ALL Kevin.
    Well done.

    P.S.
    This is what I personally believe about Epstein.
    They spirited this pedophile Jew to Occupied Palestine, did some face lift to him and a gave him pension as well.
    And who knows all these senators and congressmen do when they visit this shithole a.k.a. israel, what they do at nights in their hotel rooms.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  48. @gotmituns

    I suggest you do a web search for Heinz Pommer. There are 3, 20 minute video lectures explaining his study of the WTC collapse. He independently confirms the Sandia Lab report from 2003 that also proved the towers were brought down by a nuclear weapon placed underground. This news alone should have all Americans marching in the streets.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @foolisholdman
  49. @utu

    Search a little deeper by accessing Heinz Pommer’s recently released study of the WTC collapse. He confirms what the Sandia Lab reported in 2003, it was a nuclear event.

  50. Mulegino1 says:

    “While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.
    It is a sign of their rising confidence and sense of security that at a time when one section is still playing the German, French-man, or Englishman, the other with open effrontery comes out as the Jewish race.”

    More prophetic words were ever spoken or written by any of the statesmen of the Twentieth Century than these, even though they themselves were insufficient to describe the horrors that the Zionist state would bring upon the world if left unchecked- and its power and influence have been unchecked since the 1960’s. The last time that the world stood up to Zionist power in an appreciable way was during the Suez Crisis.

    The most dangerous political alliance in recorded history is that unequal marriage between the Zionist neocons and their willing partners in crime, the tens of millions of budding and rapture ready “Christian” Zionists who would gladly see most of the world incinerated to satisfy their Satanic zeal for the restitution of the temple worship.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Stonehands
  51. renfro says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Not the full story? Convince us.

    Connect the dots….

    DOT.. Port loses claim for asbestos removal | Business Insurance
    https://www.businessinsurance.com › article › ISSUE01 › port-loses-claim-…
    May 13, 2001 – The suit sought claim of the Port Authority’s huge cost of removing asbestos from hundreds of properties ranging from the enormous World Trade Center complex

    DOT…Silverstein knew when he leased WTC 7 that he would have to pay out of pocket for asbestos abatement removal in WTC 7, multiple millions, which is why the Port Authority leased it so cheaply.

    DOT…In May, 2000, a year before, signing the lease, he already had the design drawn for a new WTC building. Silverstein had no plans to remove the asbestos as he already had plans to replace it.

    DOT… Larry Silverstein signs the lease just six weeks before the WTC’s twin towers were brought to the ground by terrorists in the September 11, 2001, attacks.

    DOT….After leasing the complex, Silverstein negotiated with 24 insurance companies for a maximum coverage of $3.55 billion per catastrophic occurrence. However, the agreements had not been finalized before 9/11.

    DOT…..Silverstein tries to sue insurers for double the payout claiming 2 catastrophic occurrences because of 2 planes involved.

    DOT….Silver loses that lawsuit but sues the air lines and settles for almost another billion, $ 750,000,000.

    Just another Jew insurance fire folks. He planned on tearing down WTC 7 to begin with. The only missing DOT is who he hired to set the demolition explosives in WTC 7. Were they imported from our ME ally?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  52. @Franklin Ryckaert

    And when one tries to explain ‘One is a messenger of god’ the asylum doors swing open as wide as they can and sedatives are lined up to take the sting out of the reality that god also doesn’t live there…

    • LOL: niceland
  53. @Just another serf

    The Siverstein Valley! Molten granite caused by nuclear fusion or fission, is the only correct answer. Yet, the powers that be covered their ass by sending scientists (cough, cough) to the site, and they promptly claimed the valley of molten granite was caused by glaciers thousands of years ago. There’s no end to their cunning, and bullshit.

    • Replies: @Just another serf
  54. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Same with the “I believe in what’s in the Bible” line. Which Bible? Who decided what books to include? Why? etc.

    Of course, you can’t “reason” with “believers” anyway.

  55. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You don’t like being reminded that “Wizard” crapped in his cap, do you?

    As I’ve also told you before, expect the same comment whenever you try to foul up threads of interest to me.

  56. renfro says:

    A foreign policy of “maximum pressure” and swagger: tawdry bribes, heavy-handed threats, and complete failure…..now what group does this remind me of?

    US State Dept Program Offers $15 Million to Iran Revolutionary Guards September 4, 2019

    The US State Department has unveiled a new $15 million “reward program” for anyone who provides information on the financial inner workings of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, in an attempt to further disrupt them.
    The program comes after the US declared the Revolutionary Guards “terrorists,” but remains very unusual, in as much as it targets an agency of a national government instead of just some random militant group.

    The Financial Times reports on the farce that is our government’s Iran policy:

    Four days before the US imposed sanctions on an Iranian tanker suspected of shipping oil to Syria, the vessel’s Indian captain received an unusual email from the top Iran official at the Department of State.
    “This is Brian Hook . . . I work for secretary of state Mike Pompeo and serve as the US Representative for Iran,” Mr Hook wrote to Akhilesh Kumar on August 26, according to several emails seen by the Financial Times. “I am writing with good news.”
    The “good news” was that the Trump administration was offering Mr Kumar several million dollars to pilot the ship — until recently known as the Grace 1 — to a country that would impound the vessel on behalf of the US. To make sure Mr Kumar did not mistake the email for a scam, it included an official state department phone number.
    The administration’s Iran obsession has reached a point where they are now trying to bribe people to act as pirates on their behalf. When the U.S. was blocked by a court in Gibraltar from taking the ship, they sought to buy the loyalty of the captain in order to steal it. Failing that, they resorted to their favorite tool of sanctions to punish the captain and his crew for ignoring their illegitimate demand. The captain didn’t respond to the first message, so Hook persisted with his embarrassing scheme:
    “With this money you can have any life you wish and be well-off in old age,” Mr Hook wrote in a second email to Mr Kumar that also included a warning. “If you choose not to take this easy path, life will be much harder for you.”
    Many people have already mocked Hook’s message for its resemblance to a Nigerian prince e-mail scam, and I might add that he comes across here sounding like a B-movie gangster. Hook’s contact was not an isolated incident, but part of a series of e-mails and texts that he has sent to various ships’ captains in a vain effort to intimidate them into falling in line with the administration’s economic war. This is what comes of a foreign policy of “maximum pressure” and swagger: tawdry bribes, heavy-handed threats, and complete failure.

  57. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Great job of discrediting a real conspiracy (Epstein) with nutjob quackery (9/11).

    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  58. @Kevin Barrett
    Oh that’s right, it was the offspring. They appeared together at the press conference, so it was an easy mistake. Of course “Just another Gloria Allred fraud” works just as well as a description of Bloom. 0HOUR1 was doxxed a few months later – over two years ago now – funny how no charges were ever even filed since he’s no longer so “anonymous”. Bloom and Katie Johnson/Al Taylor/Norm Lubow/Rev Bud Green/Ron X/Jack Briggs probably crossed paths on the daytime TV circuit, or when he was shopping a bogus Casey Anthony interview.

  59. @WorkingClass

    Perhaps there are betterer best friends in the wings.

  60. The Committee of 300 is an evolution of the British East Indies Company Council of 300. The list personally last seen included many Windsors (Prince Andrew), Rothchilds, other Royals. Some of the Americans included some now dead and other still living: George HW Bush, Bill Clinton Tom Steyer, Al Gore, John Kerry, Netanyahu, lots of bankers, Woolsey (ex CIA), journalists like Michael Bloomberg, Paul Krugman, activists and politians like Tony Blair, now dead Zbigniew Brzezinski, CEOs Charles and Edgar Bronfman. The list is long and out of date but these people control much of what goes on whether good or bad. Their hands are everywhere doing good and maybe some of this bad stuff.

  61. Given the facts a 10 year-old child could see that the official 911 explanation was totally flawed. Just three of these facts are sufficient, the ‘dancing Israelis’, Silverstein admitting to the ‘pull (demolish) it’ order and the collapse of steel-framed WTC 7 in freefall despite not being hit. It is not hyperbole to say that America is a failed state given that the known perpetrators were never even charged. ZOG indeed.

  62. Wally says: • Website
    @Robjil

    said:
    “Yet, they cry out in pain. Free speech hurts us, it is a crime to hurt us. We might melt.”

    Coming to the US next:
    Below is where free speech on the truly impossible “holocaust” storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes. In all western countries, persecution, harassment, violent attacks & threats are the order of the day against those who engage in free speech about the impossible claims within it.
    Those are obvious admissions that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

  63. Mulegino1 says:

    It has always been clear that the official 9/11 narrative was intended for those with i.q.’s of Stygian depth or so intellectually lazy as not to be bothered with the most rudimentary facts and the exercise of common sense, their heads buried in the sand of popular entertainment and sports.

    A steel and concrete skyscraper cannot be reduced mostly to dust by either the impact of a commercial airliner or a hydrocarbon based office fire. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar or an imbecile- or a combination of both, as the terms are not mutually exclusive.

    Of course, mendacity is a standard operating procedure of the USRAELI state, and imbecility among the general population of infotainment consumer proles its sustaining sine qua non.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  64. DaveE says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Christ said there were only TWO commandments, not 10 or 620.

    1.) Love God with all your heart.
    2.) Treat others as you would want to be treated.

    That’s all there is to know and all the reason you need to throw the pack of Jewish garbage known as the OT (and much of the Jew-edited NT) into the fire.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  65. Wally says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    said:
    “One might even consider the 9/11 deaths to be something of a “holocaust”.”

    Now you’re getting to their real source of power, the fake “holocaust” narrative.

    It enables the horrors that we are witnessing. A contrived fabrication that silences criticism. Quite the useful tool. And silencing free speech about the complete lack of proof and it’s scientific impossibility is what is driving all that we see.
    such as:
    http://www.unz.com/chopkins/the-future-of-the-spectacle-or-how-the-west-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-reality-police/

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  66. @DESERT FOX

    “Millions of innocent civilians have been murdered for zionist Israel by the zio/US and Israel and zio/Britain and zio/Nato, and thousands of Americans have been killed and hundreds of thousand wounded and crippled for life , all for zionist Israel.”

    ………………………..

    It is not only these misfortune people they lost their lives, my friend.
    You see how many millions of people from Asia and Africa flooded Europe today.
    And those refugees they run from war torn Syria, I understand .

    Those though, who came from Africa and other shithole countries bringing their burkas, their eight month old fetus in their bellies and their i-phones along and sucking immediately welfare from Hellas, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain, etc, WHO is bringing them in?????
    WHO’s plan was and still is, to de-whitenize Europe as well the USA?
    Cause all this human trash they gather in the Mexican border, don’t tell me they are coming from war torn countries…
    SOME ONE IS SENDING THERE.
    If they face other social problems they MUST stay in their countries and solve them.

    It reminds me the initial problem Jews had, when they declare their ….”independence” in 1948.
    They had a “country” but no enough people (jews) to live in it.
    So, what they did? ASIDE OF ETHNO-CLEANSING THE PALESTINIANS??
    They send “black agents” (jews who speak fluent Arabic) in the Arab countries and they bomb Jewish markets, synagogues and areas where jews live in peace for centuries with Arabs.
    And then, they call all jews to emigrate in Israel where they can live in peace in their “own” country.

    HOWEVER THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM IS EXTREMELY SIMPLE!
    You need in US a General with balls (or even a Sargent) to investigate 9/11, and then, you will see the rats running to Israel for cover. But even there will not be able to hide.
    They will pray for Hitler to get up from his grave and save them.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  67. Junior says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    A respectable civil rights attorney, Lisa Bloom, handled Katie Johnson’s case.

    “Respectable”?
    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
    You do realize that Lisa Bloom is the daughter of Glora Allred and defender of Harvey Weinstein do you not?

    You people are so desperate to try to link Trump to Epstein it’s pathetic.

    I suggest you go back to your gatekeeping nonsense of trying to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement by spreading misinformation about nukes in the towers.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  68. Tony Hall says:

    This article stakes out much important ground of information and interpretation Kevin Barrett. The essay resonates as a historic statement of some of our current predicaments. What about the comparisons that might be made concerning the mysteries attending the disappearing corpses of Osama bin Laden and Jeffrey Epstein. And according to Christopher Ketcham, the release of the High Fivin’ Urban Movers back to Israel was partially negotiated by Alan Dershowitz who played a big role in defending Epstein over a long period.

  69. Tony Hall says:
    @anon

    The ultimate “nutjob quackery” of 9/11 is Phillip Zelikow’s 9/11 Commission Report, a document that stands as a testimony and marker signifying the USA’s descent into a mad hatter’s imperium of lies. legend and illusion.

  70. Has someone (hint: the author of this article) got a real bad case of TDS? Yes, someone has.

    Does someone think the pedophilia means consensual relations with 17 year olds? Yes, someone does.

  71. @Junior

    “Junior” quit been a dick.

    In israel, jews are murdering daily Palestinians with bullets made out from depleted uranium which kills slowly everything else with it’s radioactive power around the main victim.

    • Replies: @Junior
  72. TKK says:

    A society that no longer believes in God no longer believes in truth, since God is al-haqq, THE truth, without Whom the whole notion of truth has no metaphysical basis.

    Using Islamic terms when speaking about Truth?

    That’s cute. No agenda here- just a truth teller seeking to help Christians have peace and freedom, huh?

    Cue the jazz hands and bowler hat. This author is that shady- naked propaganda. He, and Unz, insult our intelligence.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  73. It is getting harder and harder to satirize the decadence and depravity of the secular West, which insists on parodying itself with ever-increasing outlandishness. When the book on this once-mighty civilization is written, and the ink is dry, readers will be astounded by the limitless lies of the drunk-on-chutzpah psychopaths who ran it into the ground

    You might try:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2019/07/29/gina-haspel-wild-indians/

    ‘Believers’ aren’t exactly innocent in the criminal history of the disintegrating Western culture…

  74. @Kevin Barrett

    Adding to Junior’s comment, I quit reading after you wrote of “credible accusations” of Mr. Trump being involved “in the brutal rape of a 13 year old.” And feminist shakedown artist Lisa Bloom, daughter of the even more infamous feminist shakedown artist G. Allred, is your “credible source?” Bloom has about as much credibility as the sicko democrat women who tried to derail Judge Kavanaugh.

    Regardless of how much one might hate Trump (and I’m no Trump supporter) levelling such unfounded accusations is journalistic malfeasance. Did we elect the Devil Incarnate? Mr. Barrett, I’m done reading you.

  75. Rurik says:

    Many good themes touched upon in the article.

    The parallels between 9/11 and the Epstein “suicide”, and how those (and so many other) crimes are all hushed up and lied about from all government and law enforcement and media bigwigs.

    How Zionism is behind (most of) it all, and how our government and institutions are rotted to the core by Jewish supremacist treachery, corruption and fraud. Even to the point of serial permanent wars to benefit Israel, and terrorize millions of innocent people who simply happen to be inconvenient to Zionist Jewish supremacists in some way, shape or form.

    That said, a few minor quibbles..

    Even before the 2016 elections, my audience knew that both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were blackmailed clients of Jeffrey Epstein, that Clinton was a frequent flyer on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” private jet, and that Trump had been credibly accused in a lawsuit of joining Epstein in the brutal rape of a 13-year-old, to whom Trump then allegedly issued death threats.)

    If there were any shred of proof or evidence, that Epstein had the goods on Trump, or that Trump had raped a child, then one thing we can all be absolutely certain about, is that such news would have been trumpeted and screeched to the high heavens, by the (((media))), and “Intelligence” agencies, and assorted Trump derangement zombies all over the place. So many people are so unhinged in their psychotic hatred of Trump, that pretending that some evidence of his crimes are being studiously ignored by MSNBC and CNN and NYT and the FBI and armies of Trump-haters, simply does not pass the straight-face test.

    So when the most powerful people in the world insist that three enormous steel-frame skyscrapers were blown to smithereens by relatively modest office fires on 9/11, that absurd assertion becomes the official “truth”

    Two of them were hit by jets, thereby creating the pretext for their collapse. A minor point, but I’m just suggesting a bit more de rigueur if you’re writing an article.

    It is getting harder and harder to satirize the decadence and depravity of the secular West, which insists on parodying itself with ever-increasing outlandishness. When the book on this once-mighty civilization is written, and the ink is dry, readers will be astounded by the limitless lies of the drunk-on-chutzpah psychopaths who ran it into the ground.

    But this insistence on believing in a universal God, sanctioned and ordained by an official religion, as being the fount of human goodness, is silly.

    I don’t need to catalogue all the horrors and rapes and genocides and atrocities committed by the pious and fervent over the minimums, and including today, to point out that it’s often the religious zealots who’re the most bloodthirsty of all.

    What can be more monstrous than putting on a robe of God’s earthy representative, and then using the authority of God to rape little boys?

    What is more monstrous than putting men in cages and then setting them on fire?

    The Crusades, that Muslims and Jews so persistently lament, were conducted by the God-fearing and devout.

    ISIS is nothing unless fanatic in their religious fervor.

    I saw Iceland was in the news recently, because of Pence’s visit, and their shock at all of his security.

    They simply have no use for such militarism on that island, because even as their society is more or less secular, people are not murdering and raping and thieving wholesale.

    It isn’t human nature to kill people just because you can. Or to rape girls just because they’re there.

    No.

    I’m an agnostic, and I would be appalled and even intervene, if I saw a man abusing a child.

    Our morality doesn’t come from any book. It comes from our nature, which is imbedded in our genome. Anthropologists study all the cultures of the world, from primitive tribes in the Amazon, to great ancient civilizations, to modern nation-states. And they all have universal values.

    Nourish and protect one’s family from harm. Make alliances with other like-minded men and women to protect your people from potential enemies. Seek out the members of the opposite sex from your people and strive to create your own family. Don’t murder or rape or otherwise swindle the members of your community. These things are more or less universal, and they don’t require a book to be interpreted by a priest or rabbi or cleric to know that raping your neighbors daughter is not allowed, nor is it something most men would be inclined to do. Children are not sexually attractive to adults unless those adults are depraved deviants.

    And they don’t need to read that in a book, to know it’s true. It comes from the blood.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @tac
    , @lavoisier
    , @Stonehands
  76. The special relationship between the CIA and the Mossad was driven partly by the efforts of CIA officer James Angleton . Philip Weiss in his article in Mondoweiss entitled “The goy and the golem: James Angleton and the rise of Israel.” states that Angleton’s “…greatest service to Israel was his willingness no to say a word about the apparent diversion of highly enriched plutonium from a plant in Western Pennsylvania to Israel’s nascent nuclear program …” The same program which JFK tried to curtail which efforts may have led to his assassination .
    SeptemberClues.info has an excellent article on the power of TV imagery “The weapon of mass distraction ” and how most of us fell for the images of planes and destruction we saw on TV on 9/11 and the days after “… the 9/11 psyop relied foremostly on that weak spot of ours “. Little did we know that we were watching demolitions , crisis actors , liars and computer generated images of planes hitting buildings . It was a scripted Hollywood production .

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Amanda
    • Replies: @Alden
  77. I like the Unz Review and totally support it purpose to provide accurate information and “bring down” the lying mainstream media.

    However, this article does not help.

    For instance, Silverstein is not a “confessed participant” in the destruction of the WTC. His statement about “pulling it” is ambiguous.

    Similarly, the statement about the New York Times weak and biased reporting of Epstein’s death, does not lead to the conclusion that “[t]he only conceivable answer is that The New York Times is somehow complicit in these monstrous crimes. It must be protecting its friends in high places. So who are those friends, and where are those high places?”

    Well, the Times’ reporting is concededly awful and biased. But there are explanations for the Time’s behavior other than complicity, including but not limited to, rank incompetence.

    The whole idea of providing an alternative media is not to reproduce the MSM in their exaggerations, distortions and selective reporting of facts. It is to provide unbiased reporting of actual facts. It is also to provide carefully reasoned analysis as to what conclusion may arise from those facts.

    We will not build a better society by emulating the faults of the current media.

    • Agree: Mark Hunter
    • Disagree: tac
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @tac
  78. a confessed participant in the controlled demolition of Building 7,

    For the love of God, this is stupid. Larry Silverstein was talking about the Fire Commander, for fuck’s sake. The Fire Commander made the decision to pull the firefighters out of the building because they could not put the fire out and were in unnecessary danger. That’s all he meant. There is not one word in this that has anything to do with a controlled demolition whatsoever.

    In order to believe what the 9/11 Douchers would have you believe about this comment, you would have to believe that 1) Building 7 was wired for demolition beforehand; 2) That the NYC Fire Commander somehow knew about this; 3) That the NYC Fire Commander was perfectly okay with allowing his men to spend hours inside a burning building in which he knew that explosive charges had already been rigged to blow; 4) That the NYC Fire Commander had the authority to decide when the charges should be blown and had access to the master switch that would blow them all; 5) That after 7 hours of attempting to fight the fire, the NYC Fire Commander (who by now can be nothing but a full-fledged member of the conspiracy) decides, after briefly consulting with Larry Silverstein, “Oh, the hell with this! Let’s just blow up the building now!”, to which Larry Silverstein agrees; 6) That after spending 7 hours in a burning building that had fires burning randomly throughout it and that had been struck by multiple pieces of debris, all of the explosive charges and their detonators were still in perfect working order; 7) That none of the firefighters extensively searching the building for survivors happened to notice any of the pre-placed explosive charges nor thought it necessary to report about such; 8) That the NYC Fire Commander then proceeds to “pull” the building after presumably giving some other order for the men to evacuate, which order was never recorded because the “pull” order must have meant “blow up the building”; 9) And that Larry Silverstein, after being part of a massive conspiracy involving insurance fraud, murder, and arson which, if exposed, would send him to a federal death sentence, just decides to casually mention all of this in a television interview for all and sundry to see, but it is only the 9/11 Douchers who pick up on the significance of it.

    Does any of this sound remotely believable? Did anyone subscribing to this nonsense stop to think about the context in which this conversation took place? Do any of you 9/11 Douchers even care that you’re being completely ridiculous and grasping at nonexistent straws in your vain attempt to establish some sort of case for controlled demolition? Do you even care that everybody can see that what you are saying makes no sense at all? It is perfectly obvious that Larry Silverstein is NOT talking about controlled demolition here. To believe otherwise would require you to literally be insane, to not understand the plain meaning of words and to have no awareness of conversational contexts; yet not only have you swallowed all of this, you have been beating the drum of this insanity for nearly 20 years.

    There is no point in reasoning with an insane person. There is, however, the possibility that you don’t really believe what you are saying and are just flogging a hobbyhorse, in which case it is you who are engaging in mendacious journalism and trafficking in lies. In either case, you need to be silenced. Neither lies nor insanity have any “right” to be uttered in the public square. You 9/11 Douchers are really the ones doing everything you accuse the mainstream media of doing, and worse. You have become a danger to the public weal and must be stopped. Your conspiratorial nonsense just isn’t cute anymore.

    • LOL: Rurik
    • Troll: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @David Erickson
    , @tac
    , @Adrian
    , @ivan
  79. Major1 says:

    Let’s recap:

    The official stories about the Kennedy assassination, Epstein’s death, and 9/11 are clearly suspect. No one with the capacity for critical thinking can seriously deny this. Which elements of these stories are true and which are false will never be resolved.

    Because:
    The mainstream media including Fox News have abdicated their mission as fact finders and truth tellers. They peddle entertainment and sell ad space. Rachel Maddow foaming at the mouth about Trump’s pee tape and Hannity fulminating about FISA abuse are the same product, simply aimed at different demographics.

    Nothing in the above two paragraphs is even remotely
    novel. It’s all been said before twenty bazillion times.

    So why was this article written? It’s just a feverish concoction of tired tropes and well-worn road.

    There’s a connection between 9/11 and Epstein?
    Next week, an article about the connection between
    the Six Day War and the manufacturers of Zyklon-B. After that, the connection between Valerie Jarrett and the Pulse nightclub massacre.

    It’s all so tiresome. These articles write themselves. Same old thing.

    As far as the weird digression into theology…why?
    Adds nothing, proves nothing, illuminates nothing.

    My wife and I both work in the medical field and every day witness the horrifying things that can happen to people. Toddler with fatal brain tumor, soccer mom with third degree burns over a third of her body, traumatic amputations, entire families wiped out in car wrecks, even a secretary riddled with a dozen bullet holes from an Uzi wielded by a schizophrenic.

    So..
    1. There is no God. (Most likely, says Occam’s razor).
    Or..
    2. There is a God, but it’s a god that created everything and set it in motion but otherwise doesn’t intervene. I’m no philosopher but I recall this model is referred to as “Spinoza’s God”.
    Or..
    3. There is a God, who personally knows us and our lives, hears prayer, wants us to behave in certain ways, punishes and rewards us according to our adherence to His mandates, and generally intervenes in our lives.

    If number three is true, then God is a sick, sick, unimaginably twisted and unspeakably cruel motherfucker.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  80. @Patrikios Stetsonis

    The destruction of Libya was also driven by the zionist controllers of the zio/US and zio/Britain and zio/NATO, they bombed the hell out of Libya for 11 straight months and killed Gaddafi , knowing full well that the destruction of Libya and then Syria and Iraq would flood Europe with refugees and this is what the zionist wanted, they wanted to destroy the Christian countries by subverting the culture with this flood of immigrants, and the zionists have accomplished their goal.

    The exact same thing is happening here in America with our open borders allowing the flood of illegal immigration, which is subverting American culture and changing the face of America forever, and here again this is what the zionists want, they want to destroy Christianity in America, and they are getting the job done.

    The goal of zionism is a zionist one world government, and in regards to an investigation of 911, that will happen when hell freezes over, for the zionists control our money system via their privately own FED and IRS and they have bought off all the whores in congress via AIPAC and so we Americans are screwed and are slaves on the zionist plantation known as the zio/US.

    Get and read Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Phil Nelson and the survivors of the Attack on the USS Liberty, to see how the zionists are in total control of America.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  81. Being a feminist or Democrat (or nonfeminist or Republican) is irrelevant to a person’s credibility. It’s possible that Lisa Bloom was part of a conspiracy to invent a fictitious Katy Johnson story, in which case Bloom is guilty of criminal fraud as well as civil libel. That would be quite a risk for her to take, to say the least. It’s also possible that she was somehow duped by others, in which case they would be running the civil and criminal liabilities, while she would just get disbarred for negligence.

    The same is true of Johnson’s attorney Thomas Meagher.

    It is also possible that Johnson’s story is at least roughly accurate. There is supporting testimony from another Epstein victim.

    If you set aside your prejudices about Democrats-Republicans, feminists-antifeminists, Trump-Hillary, etc., and just look at what’s been reported, you’ll agree with me that the allegations are credible (but of course unproven). If you suffer emotional blocks against thinking such things about a President, as so many did when similar things were reported about Bill Clinton, I sympathize…but also urge you to get psychiatric treatment so you can learn to face unpleasant facts and then get to work cleaning up this country.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  82. @renfro

    I am.not sure what picture you think is outlined by the dots you provide. It seems to have big gaps where ambiguity and uncertainty can thrive. And another problem for me is that I see equal confidence #16 but a)so the contradiction of your version by

    “He built World Trade Center building seven, having acquired a ground lease from Port Authority”. That is totally inconsistent with your asserted and formidably book based support troops.

  83. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    The release of Prof. J. Leroy Hulsey report on the finite element analysis of the WTC7 collapse should be a big news.

    But won’t be.

    Democracy works this way. The ruling elite, via the media, Hollywood, etc., tell the people what to think, the people then vote according to the way they think.

    Ensuring such top-down control was a primary objective of the bankers, j0urnalists—including doyen of American journalism, Walter Lippman, and politicians who established the Council on Foreign Relations, America’s ruling political establishment.

    So the truth of 9/11 will never be known to the majority unless we have a public statement from George W. Bush acknowledging that he personally lit the fuse that set off the explosions that brought WTC 7 down at free-fall speed.

    This is fortunate for the intrepid Dr. Hulsey* who would, presumably, otherwise have had to be dispatched by a sudden heart attack, traffic accident, weight-lifting accident suicide with a bullet to the back of the head. As it is, hardly anyone will ever know what he will say or what it means.

    * Fortunate also for those who so rashly advocate for truth here and elsewhere on the yet to be fully controlled Internets.

    • Agree: Agent76
  84. Durruti says:

    Kevin Barrett

    Nicely done. Article will not be featured on front page NYT & discussed on TV.

    There are many highlights in your article. This is one.

    Epstein’s career as a shameless, openly-operating Mossad sexual blackmailer—like the in-your-face 9/11 coup—also illustrates another core truth of Western secularism: If there is no God, there are no limits (in this case, to human depravity and what it can get away with). Or as Dostoevsky famously put it: “If God does not exist, everything is permitted.”

    Morality is officially out of style.

    Durruti

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  85. Do you think there’s chance a convert to Islam might be a trifle motivated to argue that ANYONE but Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11?

    • Disagree: AnonStarter
  86. Moi says:
    @nsa

    You’re saying shit happens, thus we have this amazing creation. Yeah, sure.

  87. z says:
    @gotmituns

    How could C4 cause steel to turn into dust?

    WTC Steel Columns turn to dust on 9/11?

    Spire Perimeter steel disintegrates into dust YouTube

    Anyone have any ideas on what could do this?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  88. @Major1

    Or the apprehension of god versus no god is a misapprehension of reality. Nature is incredibly smart (humans arguably excepted) … or maybe it’s all about ego but to validate ego you need a super-duper ego, and that’s where god comes into the picture in European culture (includes colonial spin-offs.)

    I’d recently put some serious effort into trying to translate to Western idea forms some pre-Columbian thought, the following link is a sample (wouldn’t it be amazing if there could not be translations of some indigenous ideas because Western culture wasn’t/isn’t advanced enough?)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2019/05/20/a-b-c-move-over-pythagoras/

    ^

  89. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Please consult the following papers about the CIA/Mossad crimes against humanity and their pimps who pose as ‘politicians’ of the fake Western ‘democracy’ where Epstein was their agent serving their interest as a PIMP.

    {from being the work of a single political party, intelligence agency or country, the power structure revealed by the network connected to Epstein is nothing less than a criminal enterprise that is willing to use and abuse children in the pursuit of ever more power, wealth and control.}

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/genesis-jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-relationship/261455/

    [Government by Blackmail: Jeffrey Epstein, Trump’s Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era]

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/blackmail-jeffrey-epstein-trump-mentor-reagan-era/260760/

    Mega Group, Maxwells and Mossad: The Spy Story at the Heart of the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

  90. annamaria says:

    “It must be protecting its friends in high places.” — Occam razor in action.

    From here, the question is, who had guided the Israel-firster Sigal Mandelker in 2008 to protect Epstein from any real punishment for his gross crimes? And who has awarded Sigal Mandelker with the job of Under Secretary of Treasury as a reward for protecting Epstein? https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-bail-hearing-20190715-x2oztbwjkbcdrho7ae73vhmzvy-story.html

    “From her influential post at the Treasury Department, Sigal Mandelker has vowed to defend “our great partner, Israel” by sanctioning Iran: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/03/pro-israel-sigal-mandelker-fbi-americans-iran/

    Who is Sigal Mandelker? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigal_Mandelker

    A child of Holocaust survivors [it is amazing how many holobiz “survivors” survived and propagated]… she was born in Tel Aviv, Israel. …

    She worked in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York as Assistant U.S. Attorney before becoming Counsel to the Deputy Attorney General, where she worked on national security and counterterrorism. She was Counselor to the Secretary of Homeland Security before she worked in the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice as Deputy Assistant Attorney General.

    What are Sigal Mandelker’ connections to this illustrious group?

    Even while he was allegedly pimping girls and running heroin, Larry Silverstein served as president for United Jewish Appeal of New York.

    As for Epstein, he was the boy toy and protégé of Les Wexner, co-founder of the Mega Group of Jewish billionaires associated with the World Jewish Congress, the Anti-Defamation League, and other pro-Israel groups.

    Reads like the best of the best among Israel-firsters: Pimps, drug-dealers, thugs from the ADL, major mafioso-philanthropists for Israel, WJC activists with a special fondness for the illegal settlers’ terrorism against native Palestinians, and the most active promoters of the Wars for Eretz Israel, including a war-in-making against Iran.

  91. “The only conceivable answer is that The New York Times is somehow complicit in these monstrous crimes.” – Bingo!

  92. Robjil says:

    The pleasure trick is the way the crazies at top of the J?? Zion order are controlling us. Soma the drug of the Brave New World gives one pleasure. Aldous Huxley died the same day as JFK, and CS Lewis. All were great thinkers. Great thinkers had to be tossed out of the way for J?? Zion rule. Thomas Merton, RFK and MLK were all tossed out in 1968. Anyone who thinks outside the J?? Zion MSM agenda is tossed out, ignored or censored these days.

    Here are some quotes from Aldous Huxley that relates to the Zion uber alles tyranny that we have today.

    http://www.globalistagenda.org/download/HuxleyTranscript.txt

    In our time, we are endlessly brainwashed to love all the things that we can buy. Meanwhile, people are being bombed, terrorized, sanctioned, etc. across the world for the interests of our J?? Zion rulers. We can’t complain since we got lots of toys to play with.

    And here I think one has an enormous area in which the ultimate revolution could function very well indeed, an area in which a great deal of control could be used by not through terror, but by making life seem much more enjoyable than it normally does. Enjoyable to the point, where as I said before, Human beings come to love a state of things by which any reasonable and decent human standard they ought not to love and this I think is perfectly possible.

    “Happiness” with our toys is being used to keep us quiet.

    “The dictatorships of tomorrow will deprive men of their freedom, but will give them in exchange a happiness none the less real, as a subjective experience, for being chemically induced. The pursuit of happiness is one of the traditional rights of man; unfortunately, the achievement of happiness may turn out to be incompatible with another of man’s rights — namely, liberty.”

    This is how the J?? Zion rulers control us. The Zion press has complete control to filter everything to look rosey for them, demonize any dissidents, and the masses fall for it. Why? They do not allow any counter arguments. The masses have no choice but to love their servitude to their J?? Zion masters.

    A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.

    J?? Zion “entertainment” MSM is all controlled by J supremacists so all our media is J?? Zion bread and circus propaganda. They want to keep that way. Any one who dissents is a “hater”.

    What I may call the messages of Brave New World, but it is possible to make people contented with their servitude. I think this can be done. I think it has been done in the past. I think it could be done even more effectively now because you can provide them with bread and circuses and you can provide them with endless amounts of distractions and propaganda.

    One of biggest tool in J?? Zion rule is sexual freedom. Pleasure trick keeps one from looking at what our rulers are doing.

    As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends correspondingly to increase. And the dictator will do well to encourage that freedom…it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate.


    Our J?? Zion rulers are 24/7 using their MSM to make massive herds of humans all over the earth to love their servitude to Zion uber alles.

    The question of the next generation will not be one of how to liberate the masses, but rather, how to make them love their servitude

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/848465-the-lord-s-prayer-is-less-than-fifty-words-long-and

    Jesus knew about this. His prayer stressed dangers of temptation. Our J?? Zion rulers are using temptation to the max to rule us now.

    “The Lord’s Prayer is less than fifty words long, and six of those words are devoted to asking God not to lead us into temptation.”

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  93. annamaria says:
    @Ghali

    The security services of all western airports are controlled by Israelis. This explains why Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell has disappeared from radar. Think for a sec what amount of money has been awarded to “intelligence community” to protect society from criminals. Of course, she has been detected by the innumerable security devices of all sorts. But since Ghislaine Maxwell is a Mossadnik criminal, the rules of law should not apply.
    Unlike the decent and courageous Assange, the Mossadnik procuress of teenage girls for pedophiles is untouchable for Interpol Red Alert.

  94. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    Sean, “they” are not aware of a sense of shame. This is why “they” operate in the open.
    Look at the ridiculous Dershowitz. Any decent person would already suffer a heart attack or stroke from the indignity of Epstein scandal. Not this Alan.

    • Replies: @Sean
  95. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    JFK was assassinated in order to enable Israel’s nuclear program to proceed. He was impeding it.
    If Mossad didn’t commit it, they, as Barrett says, hijacked it.

    Same folks who brought us 9/11.

  96. After the creation of the Federal Reserve ( it ain’t Federal and there ain’t no reserve ) and after consulting with experts , in 1917 J.P. Morgan acting it is said as Rothschild’s agent and for the banking and financial industries , purchased the 25 leading periodicals of the time and promptly fired their editors . Morgan recognized the power of the press to shape public opinion . The millionaires of 1917 are now the billionaires of today who now control 90% of the news which we receive through perhaps just 6 media corporations. These corporations are also controlled by members of the Council on Foreign Relations and they have no interest in publishing the truth of how the false flag / staged
    deception/ psyop of 9/11 was planned and carried out by “insiders”. Therefore , the general public will never learn the truth .

    • Agree: Agent76
  97. AWM says:

    It’s hard to make 95% of 400,000 tons of concrete and 200,000 tons of steel disappear.
    Being that two airliners and some fires and building collapse didn’t “pulverize” all this material to dust, and even conventional demolition couldn’t do that, what happened to it?

    The answer should be obvious.

    “Something else.”

    • Troll: utu
  98. Rurik says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    If you set aside your prejudices about Democrats-Republicans, feminists-antifeminists, Trump-Hillary, etc., and just look at what’s been reported, you’ll agree with me that the allegations are credible (but of course unproven). If you suffer emotional blocks against thinking such things about a President, as so many did when similar things were reported about Bill Clinton, I sympathize…but also urge you to get psychiatric treatment

    it isn’t about our prejudices, but ((theirs)) (the ((media)), iow)

    If you’re a feminist telling lies about Justice Kavanagh, (as someone mentioned) then they’ll gush over your heroism.

    If you’re a non-feminist living on a mountain in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, then a federal government assassin can put a sniper’s bullet though your head, and all is good.

    So you see it all depends on how they perceive you.

    With Trump, their derangement is legendary. Their hatred is unhinged, and drives them literally to fits. If he says the two sides fighting in Charlottesville, both had bad elements, they’ll turn themselves inside out with apoplectic convulsions.

    Whereas with Hillary, she can cackle over an assassinated head of state, murdered in a criminal putsch against a nation’s sovereign government, and they’ll all giggle along with her.

    So you see the one-sided double standard could not be more stark.

    Lying feminists and war criminals with the blood of thousands of innocents on their hands, is all good.

    But an honest non-feminist who doesn’t love ZOG, can be executed with nary a peep.

    And for this reason, if they had something on Hillary, it’d be preposterous to expect them to pursue it. Duh.

    But if they had something on Trump, OMG brace yourselves for a screeching hysteria the likes of which will make the Russian hacking of our democracy seem like a nothing burger.

  99. mcohen says:

    Another great american yarn from kevin barrel.Let us not forget that 9/11 led to the total destruction of several middle eastern states.
    9/11 was a WMD.
    Conspiracy theories are just the cherry on the cake but lawsuits are the icing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacks

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/30/mastermind-911-could-help-us-victims-lawsuit-against-saudi-arabia/amp/?espv=1

  100. Kapyong says:
    @niteranger

    Is Germany dead ?
    Was it destroyed ?

    • Replies: @niteranger
  101. May I ask you:

    Why are you lunatics discussing an article by an idiot who hates Trump, and thinks that 17 year old females are 8 year olds?

    Why aren’t you discussing how you might get this guy writing this article to admit himself into a mental institution?

    Why? Tell me why? Please tell me why?

    Please do not keep pretending that anything this nutbag says is worthy of comment. Please! For the love of God!

  102. @the grand wazoo

    The Siverstein Valley! Molten granite caused by nuclear fusion or fission, is the only correct answer. Yet, the powers that be covered their ass by sending scientists (cough, cough) to the site, and they promptly claimed the valley of molten granite was caused by glaciers thousands of years ago.

    You’ve seen that jaw dropping video. It doesn’t seem to get much attention. The excited geologists refer to the “formation” as a glacial plunge pool or some nonsense. Otherwise, there appears to be an acre of what was melted granite, along with oddly rounded, smooth stones. But it shouldn’t alarm anyone, as it’s either a glacial plunge pool or the granite was melted by the intense office fire.

    Chutzpah doesn’t begin to describe this stunt.

  103. CMC says:

    *parody/satire*

    There actually is video of Epstein but they won’t show it because it depicts the noose going all the way through his neck and out the back and then through to the front again, whilst suffering no damage or even getting bloody.

    *parody/satire*

  104. Sparkon says:

    This impossible rendering could have been created only with Computer Generated Imagery (CGI).

    Image: Michael Hezarkhani, CNN

    In the fake image, the 767 of UA175 appears to have penetrated World Trade Center 2, but with no reaction from airplane or building. Clearly, this is an impossible feat in the real world, but easily accomplished with the plastic pixels of CGI.

    No real Boeing 767s flew into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. Rather the televised images were created with CGI, the same CGI that CBS execs had warned about in early 2000.

    The lack of substantial debris heaps in the respective footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2 rules out any kind of gravitational collapse. It seems most of the mass of the Twin Towers was turned into dust and blown all over NYC and vicinity.

    • Agree: Jonathan Revusky
    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    , @BlackDragon
  105. Sam J. says:
    @utu

    We don’t need finite element analysis. The building fell roughly 108 feet where the only thing holding it up was air. It had no support at all when it fell. Somehow all the steel columns and concrete ceased to give the building any support. All failing within milliseconds of each other supposedly from a few fires on four floors or so. Demo. Had to be. No other explanation.

  106. @Whitewolf

    He claimed that “pulling it” meant pulling the firemens’ efforts to save the building. True? Maybe, maybe not.

  107. Thank you for this good article, but I must rebut your assertion that without belief in God, there is no Truth. I stopped believing in God in my teens, but have spent the rest of my long life sifting through Lies trying to find Truth, and there are millions like me. I also object to the notion that belief in God makes men moral, that if there is no God anything is permitted, rape, torture, etc. Nonsense. We are taught right from wrong by our mothers, we learn not to do to others what we don’t want done to ourselves on the playground. Of course, some never learn it, they are called psychopaths, and they rule us now as they did on 9/11.

  108. Sam J. says:
    @Mark James

    Epstein was not murdered. I agree with Kevin. He did great work for years and years. That he got caught is no reflection on the great advantage he brought to the Jews. Getting caught is part of the price for being involved in this sort of business. If they can have him killed and turn off the cameras they could have as easily moved him from the building and swapped bodies.

  109. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    IS KEVIN BARRETT EVEN HALF WAY THERE YET?

    Dr. Quigley: “I’ve only spent a few hours reviewing open source #Epstein material and the real story is way bigger than the narrative being fed to us.

    It’s all connected.

    Maxwell family business, Epstein, & the #transhumanist Nerd Wold Order.”

    Whomever paid off the guards & staff at MCC didn’t want the public to know about the sick transhumanism eugenics experiments.

    We may get details on trafficking & honey pot blackmail ops but I bet the weird “science” he was behind gets buried. #EpsteinSuicide#Transhumanism

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1169109294954033152.html

  110. Agent76 says:

    University Study Finds Fire Did Not Bring Down World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 Release of Draft Report to Be Followed by Public Comment Period

    On September 11, 2001, at 5:20 PM, the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed into its footprint, falling more than 100 feet at the rate of gravity for 2.5 seconds of its seven-second destruction.

    http://action.ae911truth.org/o/50694/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1403010

    Do you see any plane?

    May 25, 2014 FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower Speaks on WTC 7

    Listen very carefully starting at the ’20’ second mark! As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down.

    Sep 11, 2013 9/11 In A Nutshell

    James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11

    • Replies: @annamaria
  111. @TKK

    I assume Christians agree with the Qur’an that “God is Truth.” Some (formerly Islamophobic) Christians who have studied the texts in the original languages say the Qur’an probably represents Jesus’s words and concepts at least as accurately as the Gospels do: http://bridgestocommonground.org/a-deadly-misunderstanding/

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  112. Che Guava says:

    You may also recall that your great prophet was a paedophile (and a bandit leader of thieves, etc.). Anybody, like you (and particularly you, you are clearly not stupid, except when it comes to your adopted faith), who is a convert, is seriously fucked up.

    As I have said in other threads on this, nobody should forget the other great beneficiary of insurance payouts for 911, Mr. Frank Loewy.

    His name doesn’t end in ‘stein’, but he is part of the gang, and also received an enormous ‘windfall’.

    It is puzzling to me that U.S.A. people studiously ignore his presence.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  113. @Barry Gordon

    Definitely not. Larry said (quoting from memory): “I was talking with the, er…fire department commander, and we were saying, you know, there has been such terrible loss of life, maybe the best thing to do…is pull it. So we made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

    There were no firefighters in WTC-7. (If there had been, he wouldn’t say “it,” he would say “them.” But there weren’t any, so the grammatical point is irrelevant.)

    The “decision to pull” – “watched it collapse” statement, as all native English speakers know, carries a close causal and chronological link. Making the decision to pull caused the collapse, and the collapse happened shortly after the decision was made.

    If there had been firefighters in the building at 11 a.m. rescuing Barry Jennings and Michael Hess (the only reports of firefighters ever entering WTC-7) and if Larry and his friend posing as a “er…fire department commander” had “pulled” them out then, and watched the building collapse at 5:20, six hours later, OBVIOUSLY Larry wouldn’t have said it the way he said it. He would have said “we pulled the firefighters out of the building in the morning. Later that evening, when it collapsed, we were glad we had” or something to that effect.

    Those of us researching 9/11 in 2004 made a huge stink about Larry’s confession, which was well known by then. It was only many years later when Larry finally put out his silly alibi about “pulling firefighters.”

    Only a fool or someone ignorant of colloquial English could think Larry was talking about pulling out firefighters. These people must really think we’re stupid.

    • Agree: Rurik
  114. I am willing to believe that Mr. Epstein is living elsewhere.

  115. @Franklin Ryckaert

    /Being human, reasonable and sincere is enough./

    And when we confront the inevitable question as to why everything exists as it does, will our reason inform us that it’s merely the byproduct of innumerable deaf, dumb, blind, lifeless, and unconscious particles of matter assuming their position to produce all that is kinetic and inert, material and immaterial, perceptible and imperceptible? Or will it conclude that everything cannot be as it is without a greater purpose?

    It is also human to be unreasonable, insincere, unreasonably insincere, insincerely unreasonable, reasonably insincere, and sincerely unreasonable.

    Hayy ibn Yaqzan (also known by the title Philosophus Autodidactus), believed by many scholars to be the inspiration for Dafoe’s Robinson Crusoe, posits that the application of reason invariably leads one to affirm the Necessarily Existent, without which all would not be as it is. Others prefer to think that the paradox of God creating a stone that’s too heavy for even Him to lift is a more reasonable argument.

    I would append Ibn Tufayl’s narrative to include the inference that while reason is the root of faith, it is not the same as faith itself. Reason guides it, but will never replace it.

  116. Linking the issues regarding 9/11 to Mr. Epstein needs far more evidence than associations.

    One of the 9/11 hijackers, for those not on the US did assail, attended a college I taught at — that certainly doesn’t mean he and I agree on anything or had any association.

  117. @Che Guava

    Oh, what charming manners you have, slandering the most beloved man of over 20% of humankind. They must all be pedophiles according to you, I assume?

    Here’s some actual scholarship providing evidence that ‘Aisha was about 17-19 years old when her marriage to The Prophet was consummated:

    https://yaqeeninstitute.org/arnold-yasin-mol/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship/

    No need to humor me by actually reading it. I don’t expect you to benefit.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @AnonStarter
    , @Che Guava
  118. @Mike from Jersey

    “However, this article does not help.”

    Yes it does.

    For instance, Silverstein is not a ‘confessed participant’ in the destruction of the WTC.

    ROTFL! So his life really was saved by a lucky appointment with a dermatologist; and his kids really were saved by luckily being late; and he wasn’t actually lying when he lied about having a telephone conversation with the “fire dept. commander”; etc.?

    “His statement about ‘pulling it’ is ambiguous.”

    To the extent it was ambiguous, it was *calculatedly* ambiguous; i.e., his use of the word “pull” was a lexical ambiguity intended to imply controlled demolition, thereby assuaging the cognitive dissonance of the masses, but allow for (implausible) deniability later based on semantics.

    • Replies: @Mike from Jersey
  119. Anne Lid says:
    @Sparkon

    Many people saw with their naked eyes the planes. But perhaps they (whoever “they” are) have prepared beforehand a CGI to be shown. Maybe they got sloppy, maybe the sloppiness was on purpose, to prove us helpless in our own eyes. The picture is obviously an impossibility, but still we go along with the story given to us.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @DaveE
  120. @z

    Check drjudywood.com , the WTC was destroyed by direct energy weapons which only Israel and the zio/US has.

  121. @Harold Smith

    When I see someone post “ROTFL!”, I know I am dealing with a troll.

    Find someone else to argue with, troll. I have better things to do with my time.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  122. @Intelligent Dasein

    You might be right about the meaning of Larry Silverstein’s statement “we made the decision to pull it”. I have often wondered why he would have said such a thing if he meant initiate the controlled demolition of Building 7. However, that doesn’t change the fact that Building 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition. It collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed. There is only one thing that can cause that – controlled demolition. In fact Building 7 is the Achilles heel of the official narrative about 9/11. It is the only thing one needs to know to know that the official version is pure BS. Every other fact disproving the official narrative of 9/11 is simply icing on the cake. But nice try anyway at your red herring.

    • Replies: @ivan
  123. Sean says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin Barrett says this man is telling the truth.

    Obvious lie, the Fire Chief is not going to ask the building owner for permission to pull his men out.

    Never mind what he meant by what he says he said. I say Silverstein was and is lying about the whole thing, because he never said it. Only later in order to make it look like he was more interested in the lives of firefighters than his properties did he pretend there was any such decision on his part. So it was a attempt to burnish his reputation as a humanitarian for who lives are more important than a healthy balance sheet.

    But Barrett thinks Silverstein was virtually admitting that he murdered thousands of people. This would be an act of self immolation if he did it and them stayed in the country; does Barrett not understand that Silverstein would be virtually committing suicide? A queue of self appointed judge jury and executioners would form to kill him. In no time at all there would be the begining of attempts on his life, and finally one would work no matter what the security. How can anyone believe the Truthers believe what they is true, if they are not even willing to do what the Pizzagate nut did, let alone punish a mass murderer. This article of Barrett stinks of a total lack of seriousness.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Wizard of Oz
  124. @DaveE

    Yes, that book, as well as others, contributed to the view I hold of the CIA/Mossad teamwork.

  125. Junior says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    So let me get this straight. According to you, Israel used bullets made out of depleted uranium ERGO… the Towers were brought down using nukes? You can’t be serious. Do you understand how insane this line of reasoning sounds? I hope you’re joking because if not… wow. My god man, snap out of it.

    “Junior” quit been a dick.

    I wonder how many people questioning the establishment narrative about 9/11 for the first time stumbled upon one of the author’s fantastical articles about Twin Tower nukes, got immediately turned off by the absurdity, and never bothered doing another google search to try to find out anything outside of the mainstream narrative about it because they now associated unfounded ravings with questioning 9/11. Hell, it even almost happened to myself. I remember reading one of the author’s articles on 9/11 nukes and then sitting at my computer questioning whether I was crazy for also questioning the obvious lies of the official narrative. That is because that is what the article was intended to do by mixing truths in with lies and conjecture. Disinformation at its finest.

    But I’m the “dick”? Not the guy spreading disinformation about 9/11 to turn people off from searching for the truth because he says some things about Israel that you like?

    If calling out gatekeepers makes me a dick then I stand guilty as charged. Better to be a dick for speaking the truth than to be a “p*ssy” for tip-toeing through the tulips to avoid it.

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Iris
  126. @DaveE

    Great book everyone should read. It would make people realize the birth of the surveillance state in America started immediately following WWII.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  127. Fran800 says:
    @nsa

    Muslims openly endorse lying to infidels. I was a bit puzzled by Barret’s El HAQQ until you pointed out he was a Muslim. Actually it is the Bible that says “The Truth shall make you free”, and it is the search for truth in the West that has enabled science and such amazing tools for finding truth as Occam’s Razor, the hypothetical deductive method and curiosity in general. The Bible also based on Logos, which is reason, supposedly embedded in the creation — dedication to truth is needed to uncover the laws of nature. It’s not a question of God enforcing anyone’s yearning for truth. Lately, the denial of laws of genetics (race and sex especially), a kind of of Lysenkoist obfuscation of obvious truths that influential people want to deny, is causing much of the degeneration Barrett refers to.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AnonStarter
  128. @DaveE

    DaveE! They miss you over at Veterans Today, where the volume of comments (including those for fired ex-low level teacher Barrett’s turgid posts) has dropped quite precipitously in your absence–and believe it or not, the few roaches left there make you look almost (not quite, but it’s close) sane.
    BTW, I’m just curious: did you ever win that pathetic lawsuit against the city of Seattle? I hope the answer is No, but the legal system is sufficiently fucked up that they might have laughed and tossed you some cash to go away. Let me know!

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @DaveE
  129. @DESERT FOX

    Well I have read “Assault on the Liberty” by James M. Ennes Jr.

    But the point is…
    if these diabolical people did this in 1967 (I was not born back then) what makes us think they did not do evil things with their bolshevik revolution, in Hitlers Germany, provoked WWII and recently bringing down three skyscrapers in NY with ALL consequences for the rest of the World.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @AB_Anonymous
  130. mcohen says:
    @Junior

    Ron unz loves disinfo because he has chippy on shoulder acquired by failed political career handed to him by establishment jews.
    His life history does not give him the right to allow attacks on jews that goes beyond mere criticism and encourages hatred and murder of innocent jews such as those in Pittsburgh.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi3-Ym96LrkAhUW8XMBHVS_CB0QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F10%2F27%2Fus%2Factive-shooter-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting.html&psig=AOvVaw1CaoTchL–6bW-ehrGhTOR&ust=1567811868171599

    • Troll: AnonStarter
  131. Robjil says:

    When ever this Zion uber alles empire ends. It will be remembered as the saddest story ever told in human history.

    Humans advanced with fire. Then over many centuries to all the stuff we have today.

    Yet stuff is not what makes a species great.

    It freedom to be the fullest one can be that makes a species great.

    Being cages with speech that can’t be spoken makes the human species very similar to animals in barred cages.

    Isis, Israel Secret Intelligence Service, made a sick joke about this by putting people in cages in the Middle East recently. Many died in these cages or were tortured in these cages.

    Humans just want to be free again from our Zion uber alles cages.

    That is all we want.

    All of humanity is yearning to be again.

  132. utu says:
    @Fran800

    Devotion to the objective TRUTH in Western Civilization comes from Greeks not form Hebrew Bible. In Rabbinical Judaism the concept of TRUTH is postmodern. The TRUTH is a story. This is a meaning of Haggadah. Which ever Haggadah becomes dominant it is the TRUTH. For example this ‘philosophy’ allows Deborah Lipstadt to justify using of fraudulent fictitious memoirs by Misha Defonseca or Benjamin Wilkomirski or Jerzy Kosiński novel in Holocaust education because they conform to Haggadah that is being formulated and upheld as TRUTH. That fact that Defonseca, Wilkomirski and Kosiński were exposed as liars, confabulators and opportunists has no impact on the Haggadah.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  133. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Kevin Barrett

    The Vox article Barrett references does not support his claim. In fact it gives reasons to think that Katie Johnson is a fraud.

    Like the proverb “Caesar’s wife should avoid even the appearance of impropriety,” people who investigate 9-11 etc. should make a special effort to get their facts right. They should take care not to exaggerate, the truth is bad enough.

  134. @Twodees Partain

    The security agencies of all (((Western liberal democracies))) operate as one. They are the muscle for the rootless cosmopolitan international financiers who are the deep state.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  135. Robjil says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    The proof is all over the place in front of our faces every day.

    Yet we are not allowed to see it.

    The USS Liberty was supposed to be sunk on 6/8/67. It did not sink. So no wars for Israel.

    On 9/11/01, Israel made sure that the three towers sunk. Wars for Israel went on. They are still going on, eighteen years now.

    Israel wants the biggest war now against Iran. US’s Israel’s Golem is being pulled every which way towards that as we speak.

    The tired, huddled masses are yearning to free of the Zion empire.
    Teeming shores are full of refugees of Zion lie wars
    Zion’s thieves lift gold from many shores to Zion empire’s pockets
    The whole world awaits a lamp lite with insight to free us from this wicked foe of humanity

    • Agree: Patrikios Stetsonis
  136. @Mike from Jersey

    “When I see someone post “ROTFL!”, I know I am dealing with a troll.”

    And when I see someone making excuses for scumbag Silverstein, I know I’m dealing with a jew who can’t be taken seriously.

    “Find someone else to argue with, troll.

    LOL! Well look who’s talkin.’

    “I have better things to do with my time.”

    Okay then, run along now and get back to painting swastikas on your front door.

    • Agree: Rurik
  137. onebornfree says: • Website

    Fact: the “live” 5 channel US MSM broadcast footage shown on 9/11 of the 2nd plane hit [i.e. Fl.175 intoWTC2], and then the collapses of WTC2, and then of WTC1, was /is all fake [ CGI] imagery.

    Here’s a link to an analysis of the collapses of WTC 1 and 2 as depicted “live” that morning: http://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.shtml

    So, if they showed entirely fake “live” video footage of the Fl 175 into WTC2 plane strike, then entirely fake “live” footage of the impossibly fast collapses of both WTC1 and 2, why on earth would I believe that somehow, despite all that, against all the odds, that the “live” footage for WTC 7 ‘s collapse is actually genuine?

    This just in : It ain’t !] See : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrAmvc-H1E

    Regards, onebornfree

    P.S. Please visit: http://www.septemberclues.info/ for more on these topics.

  138. @Kevin Barrett

    Unfortunately, all I see in your essay is a whole lot of allegations, and virtually no evidence.
    “Everyone in New York knew” means commonly accepted as true, which means it can be given judicial notice, just like the 6 ka-gillion narrative.
    What is “reported” to have been found in Epstein’s residences, is not evidence. A disc with people’s names on it “having sex” is not evidence that the disc contains that.
    As much as I detest Dersho-shitz and disagree that sealed documents of a settlement in a civil suit should be opened for public scrutiny, Dersho-shitz claims his lawyers have uncovered emails, that Roberts/Giuffre tried to block, where Roberts/Giuffre states to her lawyers that she doesn’t know who Dersho-shitz is. It was her lawyers putting her up to it. What else have they put her up to?
    Roberts/Giuffre’s statement about Andrew, “He knows what he did” is like the question “when did you stop beating your wife?” There is a presumption of something proven. My guess is that the Royal Family’s security detail knows when Andrew takes a dump, and how much toilet paper he used to wipe. So, the choice is, they are in on it, or it’s bullshit.
    One of Kate Middleton’s school mates claims she was done by Epstein. I’m supposed to beleive that a whiny teen, whose parents are paying $50k a year to send her to a toney private school, didn’t have any money so she jerked Epstein off for a couple of hundred bucks?

    I have little doubt that wherever endeavor a member of the Zionist club undertakes, sleaze of some sort will be present. Just what Epstein was up to is yet to be proven.

    As for the “me too” swarm around Epstein, it’s different than the one around surrounding Harvey Weinstein. Those women knew going in to Hollywood what was needed to make them successful. The “casting couch” story has been around since the 1930s, and Marilyn Monroe, after marrying Joe DiMaggio, said she’d never have to suck another Jewish [email protected] While Epstein’s accusers may not have known going in, don’t try to tell me they didn’t understand what prostitution was.

  139. Sparkon says:

    There are enough discrepancies concerning Jeffery Epstein’s incarceration that his fate is not established beyond any and all reasonable doubts. Again, the photos didn’t look like him – ears and nose, huge head. Obviously, the whole thing was fishy from beginning to end. Nobody tipped him off that he was flying into a trap? Maybe the entire thing was grand theater performed to give Epstein a clean escape. Rigged as usual. Epstein’s fate remains in limbo, and Ghislaine Maxwell’s location remains unknown.

    There was no need for the Twin Towers when they were built, as the two 110-story towers at the time doubled the amount of vacant office space in Manhattan. Rather than fulfilling any real need, I suggest the Twin Towers were built to be the centerpiece of an occult ritual destroying the twin pillars guarding Solomon’s Temple, Boaz and Jachin, as the signal to launch GHW Bush’s beloved New World Order, which has been a series of reckless U.S. military adventures and maneuvers around the globe for the better part of two decades, actions playing a major role in displacing populations and provoking the waves of migration into Europe, as well as creating a lot of animosity toward the U.S.A.

    The only thing better than following the money is following the gold. Here for some background about the history of the WTC, I want to follow the gold through my previous comment about 9/11 under Linh Dinh’s Mashed Potato article:

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/mashed-potato-and-another-war-for-israel/#comment-3283850

    In brief, there were cavernous areas under the WTC, including vaults reportedly containing vast quantities of gold, silver, and other valuables.

    I see eerie parallels between 9/11, and the tale of the Knights Templar looting gold and other treasures from beneath King Solomons Temple, which at the time was actually a mosque.

    Some of the gold under the WTC — about $230 million — was recovered in a publicized operation with a team of 30 firefighters and police officers led by Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and his police and fire commissioners.

    Giuliani is already a 9/11 suspect because he managed the entirely illegal destruction of key evidence before investigators ever saw it. In March 2002, the U.S. House Committee on Science reported:

    “In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the [FEMA] BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site.

    Later, in October 2001, Queen Elizabeth II named Giuliani Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire for his “outstanding help and support to the bereaved British families in New York.”and gave additional honors to the former NY Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik and Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, making each a Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.

    But sure, cough cough, none of those glorious awards could have had anything to do with the gold, or the successful destruction of evidence, but rather were based on the trio’s service to British subjects after the 9/11 attacks.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Robjil
  140. Agent76 says:

    Dec 30, 2008 Al Qaeda Doesn’t Exist (Documentary) – 1

    This documentary interrogates the notion that Osama Bin Laden single-handedly runs the pervasive Al Qaeda terrorist network by examining its inception, its links to Western intelligence, the double agents and fictitious characters that populate its ranks, and the fraudulent ways the Al Qaeda myth is propagated in the controlled corporate media.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  141. @Sparkon

    What I would like to know is how many people actually SAW the planes hit with there own eyes.?
    Correct I have wondered about the images and they are faked. I would conclude that the upper parts of the towers were blown up to allow the plasma column from the nuclear detonation to escape more readily as sugested by Pommer.

  142. Sparkon says:
    @Anne Lid

    Many people saw with their naked eyes the planes.

    If many people saw those planes, would you mind posting a link or two to support your claim?

    There is no credible airplane wreckage at any of the alleged 9/11 crash sites; not at the WTC, not at the Pentagon, and not at Shanksville.

    Additionally, according to Pilots for 9/11 Truth, there were automatic ACARS returns from two of the allegedly hijacked airliners from some time after their reputed crashes. For example, Flt. 93 was tracked to the vicinity of Champaign, Illinois well after it was said to have crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/MORE-ACARS-CONFIRMATION.html

    When the FBI got “Let’s Roll” Todd Beamer’s cell phone records from Verizon, they found his phone had made more than a dozen calls after Flt. 93’s reputed crash.

    It is possible there were aircraft of some kind flying around in the vicinity of the WTC at about the right time, in the same way that a large plane flew low over the Pentagon, but did not crash into it. It seems there were at least a few liars operating around the Pentagon, and nothing to rule out liars around the WTC.

    Whatever anyone saw, the lack of the expected large amount of airplane debris at any of the crash sites argues strongly that there were in fact no hijacked jetliner crashes on 9/11.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  143. @Fran800

    /Muslims openly endorse lying to infidels./

    There is no word for “infidel” in Arabic.

    The most common verse cited by anti-Islam brigadiers to “prove” a claim such as yours is 3: 28, which reads

    Let not the faithful take deniers for their friends in preference to the faithful. Whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless you protect yourselves against them, gaining security. Allah bids you beware of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.

    The historical context of this verse concerned attempts on behalf of a renowned hypocrite and his coterie of Jews to drive the Ansar (Muslims native to Medina) away from their faith. When compelled to deal with such individuals, the faithful were warned to safeguard themselves. The Arabic taqa is often rendered “to fear,” and is derived from the same root as taqwa, meaning “fear of God.”

    Today, the faithful apply this by seeking refuge in God when compelled to deal with individuals clearly hostile to their religion. Doing so doesn’t necessitate lying, though it might include it when a Muslim is confronted with an actual threat of losing his life for refusing to renounce his religion.

    But every other scenario imaginable is not cause for lying, nor is there any support for this view in Islam.

  144. @Kapyong

    It was destroyed in many ways. Look what they pay out to the Jews for “past” introgressions. What would Germany be like if Hitler didn’t rise to power because of what happened in Wiemar Germany? Look at what the Jews continue to do to them now with their forced immigration policies. They destroy all economic, social, and political pathways and they are doing the same thing in the US.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  145. @Sparkon

    Very importantly, Sparkon said: “Whatever anyone saw…,”

    Hey Sparkon!

    Please look at the article/video (linked below) & listen to NYFD 9/11 witness & survivor, Rudy Dent, speak & describe what he saw? Ideally many other commenters & Kevin Barrett will tune-in & listen to every word he said? Thanks, continue sparking,👍 & my respect, Sparkon.

    https://unitedtruthseekers.com/video/fdny-9-11-survivor-witness-and-whistleblower-speaks-on-wtc-7

  146. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @mcohen

    MCohen cannot know any of what he said.

    He’s one among many in the Comments.

    Ron Unz must have the hide of a rhinoceros to run this website.

  147. annamaria says:
    @Agent76

    Thank you. Worth reminding about these prominent traitors and profiteers led by Dick Cheney:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=282&v=vrJiKbK0tVM

    • Replies: @Agent76
  148. ivan says:
    @WorkingClass

    Oh please. The Zionists have many irons in the fire. If one poker does not work they’ll try another. Basically for these fellows their ‘friends’, are always on probation. One slip, and they’ll remind you that they never knew yah.

  149. @niteranger

    The zionist banking kabal financed Hitlers rise to power and so the blame for the Jews killed by the nazis lies at the feet of the zionists, see these books, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton, Hitlers Secret Bankers by Sidney Warburg, The Crime and Punishment of I. G. Farben by Joseph Borkin, Trading With the Enemy by Charles Higham, and the zionist privately owned FED and the zionist privately owned Bank of England, Hitler was a total creation of the zionists!

    • Replies: @niteranger
  150. @Wizard of Oz

    Anyone’s guess would be better than any one of your own. I am not alone here in viewing you as a disingenuous commenter, a liar and also, to add my own flourish, a human sack of shit. Have a nice day.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  151. annamaria says:
    @mcohen

    Actually, Ron Unz has established a brilliant carrier of a researcher and true public servant. He is admired and respected by the great number of decent people.

    The anonymous “mcohen,” on the other hand, is just an anonymous slanderer with nothing substantial to tell but to express his frustration with the light of truth.

    As for the murder of innocence, why don’t you think for a second about the millions of human beings (including hundreds of thousands of innocent children of all ages) perished during the still ongoing War for Eretz Israel? It seems that your Talmudic education does not allow you to recognize human beings in non-Jews.

    Please, don’t project. It is you who is filled with hatred and sadistic intentions.

    You are enraged that the usual cowardice showed in response to zionists’ crimes is not on display on this forum. The naked truth is intolerable for you.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Durruti
  152. ivan says:
    @Just another serf

    Certainly one of the most evil human beings to have walked the Earth.
    He certainly looks the part.

  153. @Kevin Barrett

    Wrong. While a lease of 100 years is admittedly very long it is a common period with real estate property and certainly is still very much a lease. A purchase would likely involve a much larger down-payment as anyone who has ever leased a building or even a motor vehicle can attest.

    A larger down payment on the WTC buildings in the case of a purchase would have resulted in the scam generating far less profit for Lucky Larry and obviously wasn’t seen as necessary, and there may have been greater legal obligations as an owner rather than simply as a lease holder.

    Why not just use the accurate word instead an inaccurate word shrouded by, ” better described by”?

    • Agree: Erebus
    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  154. @Anonymous

    Yet another nother example of Wizard of Oz sock puppetry? Sure smells like it.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  155. annamaria says:
    @utu

    A story of Elie Wiesel, a scoundrel who betrayed profitably the memory of victims of WWII. Elie Wiesel was an embodiment of hypocrisy and shamelessness: http://www.unz.com/acockburn/truth-and-fiction-in-elie-wiesels-night/

    • Replies: @bjondo
  156. I have a novel idea, how about all the Jews and the Moose limbs in the US pack up their shit and take this discussion about which group of people is the more degenerate, despicable group of connivers and leeches back to the promised land.

    Western Civilization has no use or need of either group.

  157. Robjil says:
    @Agent76

    Al-Qaeda means the Toilet in Arabic. Why would a real Arab terrorist group use that name?

    https://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/alqaeda.htm

    What does the word “Al-Qaeda” mean ? In Arabic, “Al-Qaeda” has a different meanings, among them “Base”, “Ground”, “Norm”, “Rule”, “Fundament”, “Grammar”. The exact meaning is dependent on the context in which it is used. It depends on the word which follows “Al-Qaeda” in the sentence. “Qawa’ad Askaria” is an Army Base, “Qawa’ad Lugha” stands for Grammar Rules (the Bases of Grammar).

    “Qa’ada” is the infinitive of the verb “to sit”. “Ma-Qa’ad” is a chair. “Al-Qaeda” is the base or fundament of something. “Ana raicha Al Qaeda” is colloquial for “I’m going to the toilet”. A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa’ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the “Hamam Franji” or foreign toilet, and “Hamam Arabi” or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called “Ma Qa’adia” or “Little Qaeda”.

    A Maltese article, the Maltese language is related to Arabic, made fun of the war on the Toilet.

    http://archive.maltatoday.com.mt/2009/10/11/l7.html

    So does this mean that the Global War on Terror and Al-Qaida all boils down to a Global War On ‘the toilet’? Besides, why on earth would a terrorist organisation ever call itself ‘the toilet’? And why would Osama Bin Laden ever want to be associated with a toilet attendant, with due respect to the people in the profession? And why therefore should the whole world be so scared of ‘Al-Qaeda’ in the first place? Or is it the case that we are all suffering from a psychopathic condition which we could call ‘Collective Toilet Phobia Syndrome?’

    Two articles that mock this toilet connection to the US/Israel/UK proxy terrorists. An “inside” joke to them. A real horror to real little people dealing with these proxy terrorists.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/12/01/I-cleaned-toilets-for-ISIS-reveals-ex-fighter.html

    An Indian man who had travelled to join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militant group said his commanders made him perform menial tasks such as cleaning toilets and
    was not allowed to fight in the battle field.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11394730/Jihadist-who-faked-own-death-jailed-for-12-years.html

    It had emerged that bodybuilder Khawaja, 27, was nicknamed “Barbie” and, while in Syria had complained of not having moisturiser and toilet paper.

  158. http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/08/resurrecting-american-economy.html

    These CAPITAISTS, Silverstein and Epstein would have long been rewarded with the gulag in the old Soviet Union, like the Irgun and Stern gangsters before them, Menachem Begin, Natan Sharansky, among other Zionist traitors, the communists knew how to deal with this criminal behavior. In capitalist America they get promoted, million dollar bonuses, appointed to the new Presidents cabinet. Usury has become normalized, so called Christians have accepted it as normal, and call you a commie or a socialist if you hold the same views as Jesus himself did. Haha..

    • Replies: @utu
    , @DESERT FOX
  159. tac says:
    @Rurik

    So many people are so unhinged in their psychotic hatred of Trump, that pretending that some evidence of his crimes are being studiously ignored by MSNBC and CNN and NYT and the FBI and armies of Trump-haters, simply does not pass the straight-face test.

    With all do respect, Rurik, please try to find a video of an interview–one I have personally witnessed–of Trump in a (if memory serves me right 1989) TV interview with Oprah Winfrey where the discussion centered around the possibility of Trump running and winning the office of US President, in which Trump said: “Republicans are some of the dumbest people around, easy to fool” (paraphrasing, not the complete quote but the essence). It was easily available prior to the 2016 election on YouTube, but it has been scrubbed off the Internet Completely after his election. Now, one may wonder why so? The only possible rational conclusion is that is was part of the act(think Strzok when he mentioned an ‘Insurance Plan’)!

    Just like any other defamatory information against this self-proclaimed ‘King of Israel’ (as suggested by a Jewish radio talk host) seems to be lost to history in due time: scrubbed completely!
    I.HEARD.TRUMP.SAY.THOSE.WORDS! So, not TDS! Just my own perceptive mind while some claim the opposite. Is this simply a case of misinformation on your part (hopefully so), or disinformation (hopefully not)? Nonetheless, the betrayal–whatever way one may look at his Presidency, just like those previously held before his–is undeniable! Could you think any differently?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  160. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    How Lucky Larry Silverstein and his Jew Buddies brought down the World Trade Center for Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=Kg7Qt4bV0B8

    • Replies: @annamaria
  161. tac says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Why don’t you simply just listen to ‘Lucky’ Larry Silverstein IN HIS OWN WORDS tell us(watch the whole 15 mins video, but in case you cannot start at 1:42 (‘We got the designs on WTC7…and first design meeting was in April of 2000…and CONSTRUCTION BEGAN shortly thereafter in 2002-2:22)

  162. tac says:
    @Mike from Jersey

    For instance, Silverstein is not a “confessed participant” in the destruction of the WTC. His statement about “pulling it” is ambiguous.

    Take a look at my reply to #80 (below you) to better help your answer.

  163. Paw says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Insurance on all buildings was hugely increased under condition ,if there were the terrorists attacks. Then Silv. had to go to the beauty saloon instead of into his office. The very day ..This building had to be destroyed because asbestos. All of that was found , suspicious.

  164. Miro23 says:
    @the grand wazoo

    I suggest you do a web search for Heinz Pommer. There are 3, 20 minute video lectures explaining his study of the WTC collapse. He independently confirms the Sandia Lab report from 2003 that also proved the towers were brought down by a nuclear weapon placed underground.

    It’s difficult to explain the very high and long lasting underground temperatures.

    The actual fires in the buildings were not much (compare with videos of high rises completely consumed by fire – and still standing) and they had mostly gone out. And regular demolitions don’t make much difference at all to underground temperatures.

  165. Paul Craig Roberts has a short piece dated yesterday, “The Official Story of the Collapse of WTC Building 7 Lies in Ruins.” He quotes a resolution of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, and in it is this:

    … the overwhelming evidence presented in said petition demonstrates beyond any doubt that pre-planted explosives and/or incendiaries—not just airplanes and the ensuing fires—caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, …

    I’m skeptical. WTC 1 & 2 collapsed starting from the top: the top floor went first, then the next below, etc. WTC 7 collapsed from the bottom: the bottom floor went first, lowering all the floors above, then what had been the floor above collapsed, continuing to lower all the floors above.

    WTC 1 & 2 each “melted” like a candle lit at the top. WTC 7 melted like an unlit candle resting on a hot stove.

    I think WTC 1 & 2 probably collapsed as we have been told – see the articles here – and that WTC 7 probably collapsed from planted explosives – the University of Alaska research project bears it out.

  166. Alden says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Among other things, Angleton had a drunken lunch with soviet agent Kim Philby 2 or 3 times a week and spilled American classified information to Philby

  167. Alden says:
    @Barry Gordon

    Pull them refers to the firemen.

    Pull it (down ) refers to the building.

    Silverstein refered to the building.

  168. Miro23 says:
    @Mulegino1

    It has always been clear that the official 9/11 narrative was intended for those with i.q.’s of Stygian depth or so intellectually lazy as not to be bothered with the most rudimentary facts and the exercise of common sense, their heads buried in the sand of popular entertainment and sports.

    Not so much. I bought and read the official 9/11 Commission Report and accepted its account of inter agency bungling and security failures, and it’s We Must Do Better message in our fight against terrorism.

    It was only years later that I came across an account of the collapse of Building 7 (that same day), and couldn’t understand why it was never mentioned in the Report.

    That lead on to the technical questions that made the goverment “Collapse by Fire” explanation impossible. Up to that point, it seemed quite straightforward that planes hit the buildings and that they collapsed. I wasn’t one of the technical people who immediately realized that there was something wrong (like for instance Donald Trump):

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Replies: @annamaria
  169. Alden says:
    @AnonStarter

    Aisha was only about 17- 19 when the prophet died. I’ve read her memoirs. She said her mother brought her to the prophet’s tent as a wife when she was 6. He frottaged her from marriage at age 6 till she was 9.

    They had no children. Aisha never became pregnant according to her memoirs. Prophet’s natural daughter Fatima and her husband the natural nephew/ adopted son Ali hated Aisha and her father’s faction. Fatima and Ali were first cousins in accordance with Arab custom both before and after the adoption of Islam.

    • Replies: @Osama Bin See I A
  170. @Robjil

    The Jihad warriors who fought against the Russians in Afghanistan called themselves Mujahidin. The CIA office in Cairo kept a DATA BASE of their names. That data base was shortly called “the base”, al-Qa’ida in Arabic. Hence the Mujahidin were called with that name, not in the sense of “toilet” but of “base”.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  171. Sean says:
    @annamaria

    Not shame, but self preservation is why people operate clandestinely. If they can operate openly they already control everything, and what would the purpose of their operation be then; an elaborate practical joke?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  172. Alden says:
    @Sparkon

    The Twin Towers were built as part of the gazillion reclaim our great cities from the black criminals programs all over the country.

    Now it’s calked gentrification. It involves luring White residents back into the black destroyed cities.

    Back in the 1960s when the towers were designed and the site decided on it was called Urban Renewal. The black destruction of the cities was so complete politicians knew White residents could never be lured back.

    BUT businesses and government agencies could be lured or compelled to rent or buy buildings in the worst black ghettoes. The idea was that respectable normal civilized people would work in the urban renewal buildings. The branch banks would remain because workers would use the banks. The local post office would expand because of increased mail. Restaurants dry cleaners print shops and other small businesses catering to workers in the Urban Renewal buildings would open and flourish

    Eventually the Black Plague would wither away and the cities would be reclaimed to civilization. That was the idea.

    That’s why the WTC was built in a lower Manhattan black destroyed neighborhood. Urban Renewal worked in lower Manhattan and 850 Bryant in San Francisco. It totally failed in Detroit and downtown Los Angeles.

  173. Adrian says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    See this interview on Dutch TV with a demolition expert, the late Danny Jowenko. He was unaware of the story about WTC 7 but after seeing the video he was convinced that this was a controlled demolition. What makes his analysis more convincing is that he obviously didn’t suspect foul play and believed that, timewise, it could, though very difficult, all have been prepared after Silverstein gave the command “pull it”. Anyone who is a bit more informed about the circumstances knows that this would have been impossible.

    The main point is his conviction that we were dealing here with a controlled demolition.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @OTOH/IMHO
  174. utu says:
    @redmudhooch

    “Silverstein and Epstein would have long been rewarded with the gulag in the old Soviet Union” – They would be running and organizing the GULAG system for crooks even greater than them.

    • Agree: annamaria, Alden
    • Replies: @annamaria
  175. @NoseytheDuke

    Glad to know you haven’t lost your characteristic charm.

  176. Sean says:

    Israel faked 9/11 to get Iraq invaded but the real responsibility for 9/11 was pinned on the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Iraq was invaded as a result of 9/11 though.

    If Israel could fake 9/11 why on Earth would they not pin it on Iran instead of Afghanistan, and invade Iraq in the same way.

    If Israel had faked 9/11 they would have arraged to fram Iran and got Iraq invaded as well, thereby killing two birds with one stone. Israel had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Not a thing.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Anon
  177. Whitewolf says:
    @Barry Gordon

    He claimed that “pulling it” meant pulling the firemens’ efforts to save the building. True? Maybe, maybe not.

    Having watched the video of him talking about it and his body language I’m inclined to believe he knew beforehand it was wired for demolition. Also it was that building that was reported to have fallen before it actually did on tv. Then you had the collapse of the building which looked like a controlled demolition much more so than the twin towers did as they came down.

    Silverstein wasn’t the mastermind though. It was probably one of the US alphabet agencies that did the planning.

    • Replies: @dimples
  178. @Sean

    9/11 was faked not to frame any specific country but the Muslim world in general, hence the “Global War on Terror”. Any specific country could then be targetted as part of that. Here is former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak explaining it to the BBC on the day of 9/11 :

    9/11 was an Israeli plot through and through. Israel itself was created by terrorists and it has engaged in terrorism ever since.

    • Replies: @Sean
  179. “GROUND ZERO ” the point directly above , below or at which directly a NUCLEAR explosion
    occurs ( Merriam Webster) . They gave us the answer from the getgo , they love to mock us .

  180. Robjil says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    That is what is what the Israel-a-Naugthy say. The Maltese know better. Their language is an Arabic derived language.

    http://archive.maltatoday.com.mt/2009/10/11/l7.html

    But few people know exactly what the word Al-Qaeda actually means. Some news agencies freely misinterpret the word as meaning ‘The Base’. But this is not actually the full and proper translation of the ominous term. Al-Qaeda is in fact a derivative of the Arabic verb ‘Qa’ada’ (bil-qiegħda in Maltese) which means ‘to sit’ on a specific type of base namely the toilet bowl.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  181. @AnonStarter

    /I’ve read her memoirs./

    She had no “memoirs.” Ahaddith are the source material for what she is believed to have said, and an examination of all — rather than some — available ahaddith reveals that she was no less than 17 years old when her marriage was consummated:

    The ḥadīth that established the age of ʿĀisha to be six years when the marriage was contracted and nine years when the marriage was consummated has an authentic chain of transmission. However, it contradicts established historical proofs and is, therefore, a discrepant (shādh) report and [should be] interpreted as a mistake.

    Scholars have mentioned that when a ḥadīth’s text (matn) contradicts something more reliable from established history then it is rejected because that indicates a flaw due to a mistake by one of the narrators. [emphasis added]

    Those who hold that she was 9 when her marriage was consummated do so based upon nothing more than one haddith‘s chain of transmission, which is insufficient as proof when weighed against the preponderance of other equally reliable source material.

    Of course, had you bothered to read the linked article, you might have learned that.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  182. Robjil says:
    @Sparkon

    The date of 9/11 has Kabbala implications.

    https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm

    [MORE]

    SEPHER YETZIRAH
    OR
    THE BOOK OF CREATION

    CHAPTER 1

    4. Ten are the numbers of the ineffable Sephiroth, ten and not nine, ten and not eleven. Learn this wisdom, and be wise in the understanding of it, investigate these numbers, and draw knowledge from them, fix the design in its purity, and pass from it to its Creator seated on his throne.

    Nine is one less and Eleven is one more than the ten, the Sephiroth, Tree of Life.

    More about how “good” the number 10 is. I guess the “event” could not happen on 10/10 for that reason.

    5. These Ten Numbers, beyond the Infinite one, have the boundless realms, boundless origin and end, an abyss of good and one of evil, boundless height and depth, East and West, North and South, and the one only God and king, faithful forever seated on his throne, shall rule over all, forever and ever.

    6. These ten Sephiroth which are ineffable, whose appearance is like scintillating flames, have no end but are infinite. The word of God is in them as they burst forth, and as they return; they obey the divine command, rushing along as a whirlwind, returning to prostrate themselves at his throne.

    7. These ten Sephiroth which are, moreover, ineffable, have their end even as their beginning, conjoined, even as is a flame to a burning coal: for our God is superlative in his unity, and does not permit any second one. And who canst thou place before the only one?

    The Zionists though tried to push this 10 luck with an “event” in Mexico on 10/1o/01. It failed, so it is totally covered up by our Zion “free” MSM.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/2001_Mexican_legislative_assembly_attack

    The 2001 Mexican legislative assembly attack occurred around 5pm[1] on 10 October 2001.[2] Two armed Israelis, Saar Noam Ben Zvi and Salvador Gersson Smeck (a suspected Mossad agent)[2] carrying Pakistani passports[3] were arrested in the Mexican Legislative assembly. The attack was widely but only briefly reported on Mexican TV and in local newspapers. It was reported in Pravda on 13 October[2] but appears to have been subject to a news blackout as it was covered scarcely if at all by Western commercially-controlled media. After “the Israeli Embassy used heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released”, they were indeed released without charge.[4]

  183. Che Guava says:
    @AnonStarter

    Don’t worry your little head about it, I won’t read a word.

    Your ‘scripture’ is quite clear, yes, there is some chance that Mo waited until the girl reached puberty before consumating the marriage, but that doesn’t match anything in the supposed account of Aisha (which seems certain to be a confection from a century or more later).

    What you offer, later still.

  184. Sean says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    There must be many in the US who have an AR 15 and a truck, so why is Silverstein not being shot at?

    The reason is incredibly obvious: this 9/11 conspiracy talk and accusation of living identified individuals as being mass murderers is your way to while away the hours. Trutherism is just a game to play. You do not believe a word of it. Not a one of you has ever acted accordance with this endlessly vement accusation of Silverstein.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  185. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Excellent comment and it expresses most of my concerns with the article.

    KB makes some important points but he does go off on the religious tangent far too often, which I sense suggests an immodest level of faith based certainty about things.

    This immodest faith based certainty possessed by millions of human beings has done enormous harm to peace and justice in our world.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  186. Robjil says:

    The rush is to get the third Temple is all about creating a slaughterhouse in Jerusalem. Nine Eleven itself was a slaughterhouse. This slaughterhouse is to be in the third temple in Jerusalem to burn a magic “red” heifer. Nine eleven got the Golem USA to destroy seven stronger nations for Eretz Yisrael, then there will be no “problem” putting up the third temple over ruins the dome of the rock.

    A red heifer burned in such way to get enough ash to “purify” all Jews. A “major” experiment to get such ashes was done recently.

    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/135387/exclusive-burning-red-heifer-takes-place-preparation-third-temple/

    A major step was made towards reinstating the Temple service: after an intensive study into the practical details, an actual heifer, albeit not a red one, was burned in precisely the manner that will enable the Jewish people to be purified.

    A tiny bit of ash from a burnt”real” red heifer mixed the wood used as fuel and water is to be sprinkled on every Jew to purify them. Perhaps that wicked witch of the west was an inside joke of this water/ash theme. This is after the “third temple” is built. This is an experiment how to do it before the “real” red heifer comes to be.

    For the purpose of the experiment, a mature sick heifer was selected of the Baladi breed which was prevalent in ancient Israel,” Prof. Amar said, emphasizing that the heifer used in the experiment was not red. “The process of burning lasted some nine hours, and the heifer’s ashes together with the wood used to burn it yielded several tens of kilograms of ashes. It emerges that the amount of ash needed to prepare the ritual water was a minute amount sprinkled over the water. Based on the amount of ash obtained, the investigator proposed a theoretical model to calculate how many instances of sprinkling the water this amount could actually yield. This is a groundbreaking study of historical significance because there has been no investigation into the practical implementation of the laws of the red heifer since the destruction of the Temple.”

    The experiment was designed to check the amount of ash produced, and whether it would be enough to purify every Israelite living today.

    • Agree: tac
  187. Durruti says:
    @annamaria

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    Thanks for the link & your many comments.

    The link exposes some of the criminals who control most of our Planet, and my Country.

    For the last 3 decades, the Maxwells and Epstein & their other friends, (many identified in your link), have controlled-OPERATED the daily business of the American Government. The disruption these Foreign Oligarchs and domestic Traitors are experiencing with their emergency replacement of the Epstein and Maxwell Ruling Group (Governors), is embarrassing, and a bit destabilizing to them.

    Because:

    The clear links of our Puppet American Government, including our totally owned Congress, to the Zionist Oligarchs & their Military Entity, that have been revealed by this Epstein/Maxwell Zionist Leadership Crisis, are a benefit to American Patriots who have the will to learn about the nature and location of the Evil We face. However, if we do not begin a serious effort at Resistance, the Evil World Order will quickly replace their Retired American Governors – with others.

    We American Patriots must Restore Our Republic!

    Durruti

  188. dimples says:
    @Whitewolf

    Here’s Silverstein’s complete ‘pull it’ statement from Youtube:

    “I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said you know we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, pull it. And they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.”

    Clearly Silverstein is talking about the Fire Department’s personnel. He says ‘you know we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, pull it.’ In other words he is implying that pulling the ‘whatever’ will save lives. Now pulling the ‘building’ will in fact kill more firefighters, so he is not talking about pulling the building. He is talking about pulling the fire fighting operation.

    A further clue is the next sentence. ‘And they made that decision to pull’. This means that Silverstein is saying ‘the Fire Department pulled the ‘whatever’. Now to say that the Fire Department pulled the building by controlled demolition is completely insane. How are the Fire Department going to set up a demolition job in two hours with everybody watching? What Silverstein is saying is that the Fire Department pulled the firefighting operation from the building.

    Later, they watch the building collapse. This does not mean that the building collapsed immediately after the Fire Department pulled the firefighting operation from the building. It can mean at any time after this.

    Its true that Silverstein’s statement is poorly worded, but that’s often the case in off the cuff speech. The amount of idiocy expended on this statement of Silverstein’s, including by K Barrett, never ceases to amaze. Its a sure sign that any person who thinks Silverstein is a “confessed participant in the controlled demolition of Building 7”, is an utter moron.

    Neither Silverstein, nor the Fire Department, could ever have been in control of the demolition of WTC7. This would have been under the total control of the 9/11 plotters, operating from some central control room somewhere in the city. Silverstein undoubtedly would have known that WTC7 would be demolished, obviously since this would have been part of the deal he made with the plotters.

    WTC7 was originally supposed to have been hit by Flight 93, but this flight was late taking off and the plane re-routed. Silverstein knew therefore that the building had to be pulled at some stage, since it was packed with explosives which might otherwise be discovered. Perhaps this knowledge,by a process of Freudian slippage, entered into his speech.

    Apart from these sorts of stupidities, this article by K Barrett is quite good.

  189. @Robjil

    I call them AL CIADA , which is their creator and sponsor along with Israel and Britain and NATO.

  190. @redmudhooch

    These are the same communists aka bolsheviks that ran the Soviet Union, same killers!

  191. @NoseytheDuke

    If you say “Larry leased the buildings,” your listeners assume he would only control them for a short period, and certainly wouldn’t have the power to choose to tear them down and rebuild whatever he wanted. (Just as when you and I lease an apartment.) But Larry had and still has total power over the property, just as in “ownership.” So essentially it IS ownership.

    “Purchased them on a 100 year lease” is the complete and accurate expression. But even that understates his ownership, because he demanded “right to rebuild” etc. etc. in the contract, giving him the same kind of total control over the property that “owners” have.

    If I take out a 100 year lease on something, with the right to tear it down or alter it in any way I choose, obviously I “own” it. I am not just “leasing” it!

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  192. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Apologies for the very long repost below but it would be great to see informed responses to the post: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-05/major-university-study-finds-fire-did-not-bring-down-tower-7-911

    [MORE]

    Comment section:

    This list was posted over 12 years ago. Nothing has changed:

    EVERY supposed one of the 256 passengers on 9-11 paid for their tickets in cash on THE MORNING 0f 9-11! NOT ONE used a single credit card and there are no electronic receipts from anyone or any company anywhere in the world. Why? There was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    Except for the supposed Atta and all of his massive incriminating evidence on a supposed suicide flight….NOT ONE single supposed passenger parked a car at any airport on 9-11 NOT ONE. Why? There were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the US government spends billions of dollars a year on infiltrating truth groups and forums, suiciding activists, and staging and writing media propaganda around the world is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the US military owned media outlets like GE and Westinghouse who own NBC and CBS will never expose their own crimes of conspiracy to murder is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the US government set up the Homeland security agency, TSA, Patriot Act, wiretapping, torture through confessions, and renditions….all to keep you quiet and scared about 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason Rosie O’Donnell was fired from TV for mentioning the WTC 7 collapse which would immediately expose 9-11 as some form of controlled demolition is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason HUNDRED’s of so-called “terrorist training drills” like Tripod II and Vigilant Guardian were taking place on 9-11….at the exact time of the plane crashes…..was for plausible deniability because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    (Update: Mueller…yes that Mueller has stated that the FBI has ‘lost all the black boxes’ from 9-11! Maybe it’s with the original moon landing video that they ALSO said they have lost?)

    The reason that EVERY TV interview on the DAY OF 9-11 was given my military owned media outlet personnel (watch September Clues online) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that ALL the buildings and locations on 9-11 appear to have been destroyed by some form of demolition or Directed Energy Weapon is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the US government allocated only $3 million dollars to investigate ALL of 9-11(Lewinsky Scandal got $50 million) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason NORAD stood down on 9-11 to immediately intercept the planes was because there were no planes to shoot down because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason EVERY video filming the Pentagon was immediately confiscated (80+ at last count) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the command procedure to shoot down a rogue plane was changed just weeks before 9-11 to having to get Donald Rumsfeld’s permission first….and then was changed back immediately the day AFTER 9-11 to the pilots discretion…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that NONE of the 256 passengers (except ATTA) drove and parked their own cars at ANY airport on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that NOT ONE single video exists of any person(except ATTA) at any airport in any way from any of the planes of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that Tens of millions of dollars were made on “put options” which shorted United and American Airlines just days before 9-11 and the US REFUSES to release exactly who made those financial bets is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the US conducted a terrorist training drill at the Buffalo Intl Airport one week BEFORE 9-11 which included terrorists blowing up a plane (the exact people conducting this drill just so happen to be the ones who then conducted the “rescues” at ground zero one week later!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION had been “lost” at the Pentagon on 9-10-01 and that the 28 accounting experts would be looking into it (ALL 28 died in the Pentagon plane attack and all investigations were immediately dropped) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the Pentagon was conducting a “MASCAL” (Mass Casualty) exercise ON THE DAY OF 9-11 at the Pentagon involving a PLANE CRASHING INTO IT…was once again for a weak plausible deniability excuse because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the doors, fire escapes, observation decks, and ALL access to the tops WTC’s 1 and 2 buildings was closed and chained up on Monday 9-10-01…was because survivors could talk….because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason Mayor Gulliani was conducting Operation Tripod II at Pier 92 (rather than his NEW multiple million dollar bunker inside WTC 7) on Monday 9-10-01 which involved terrorist attacks on the WTC’s and then the same exact people were then in charge of 9-11….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the FBI released the names, addresses, photos, religious beliefs, whereabouts, affiliations, professional connections, flight training schools, nationalities, personal histories, ages, visa status OF ALL the highjackers within DAYS Of 9-11 (Unibomber took 17 years!)…..is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason PA Gov. Tom Ridge, who would then head a new agency called Homeland Security, said that the WTC debris would be buried at CDI’s smelting plant which was purchased just months before 9-11 in PA (no debris went overseas or to China for example!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    Even though it was illegal Gulliani banned ALL photography and video of the WTC’s after the attacks which clearly showed serious problems with the official stories because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason Osama Bin Laden denies any connection to wrong doing and basically says the US government and military are sick and murderous for their own gains http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah… is because he had nothing to do with 9-11 because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason there were SERIOUS problems with ALL the videos showing planes on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that there will always be massive problems with the passenger lists and why NONE of the hijackers were listed on ANY of them is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason there will NEVER be a single piece of verified debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason there are massive problems with the take-off records of the 4 flights on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that NOT ONE PENNY has been paid from insurance companies to replace the planes themselves is because they pay only be verifiable debris….and NONE has ever been found….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason Bush threatened Congressman to never investigate 9-11, then delayed the investigation 18 months, then handpicked the Commission members, had Commission members quit because they said the Commission was a fraud because they were never going to be allowed to inspect the plane wreckage because of “national security”, and then told them to never “cross the line” with regards to plane investigations……is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. (Sen. Paul Wellstone paid with his life. He demanded to verify the plane debris. That’s why he was killed)

    The reason that thermite and cordite tested POSITIVE and was found EVERYWHERE on 9-11 is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that jet fuel tested NEGATIVE at ALL 4 crash sites on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that the WTC towers 1 and 2, which were each 110 stories high of reinforced concrete and steel covering ONE ACRE for each floor…….which was then turned into a pile of dust standing only TWO STORIES HIGH from a fuel fire ( a first in world history)…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason CDI, Control Demolition Inc, (A DEMOLITION COMPANY….even though there was no piece of building debris larger than what could fit onto their existing trucks!) was paid $35 Billion to clean up 9-11 (similar to what the US government paid CDI after the OKCity bombing in 1995) and was seen in and around the WTC’s AND OKCity Murrah building for weeks and months PRIOR to 9-11 and April 1995….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason everyone smelled cordite and NOT ONE person smelled ANY of the 12,000 gallons of toxic jet fuel at the Pentagon was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.

    The reason NONE of the 600 FBI agents at the Pentagon were wearing masks, even though 12,000 gallons of fuel had just been released, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the Naudet Brothers have not been seen since 9-11, even though they were related to the fire company they just so happen to be filming on 9-11 to capture the ONLY supposed video of the first plane of 9-11…(http://www.spingola.com/jules_naudet.htm) ….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the FAA boss destroyed the taped testimony of the 3 air traffic controllers immediately following 9-11 which basically said they could not have been commercial planes….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.

    The reason 16 supposed Saudi Arabian men who averaged 5’4″ 120 lbs with ONE inch knives could highjack 4 planes without a single mayday or hijacking code being entered by a single pilot on 9-11…was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason $15 billion dollars was paid out to the US airline companies within 2 weeks of 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the airline insurance companies have yet to pay a single penny to replace a single plane from 9-11 (which by the way they ONLY pay by debris verification)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason it is now against US law to investigate or even contact the exact people who took the supposed “man from the street “ films, photos, and videos of planes of 9-11…..it because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason you will never have ANY truly independent investigation of 9-11 is because your legal system is owned by the same murderers and there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that everything will be kept in secrecy with regards to any legal procedures, covered with terms like “national security” even though the ENTIRE PLANET supposedly saw it, and ANY court cases will all have gag orders and be closed to the public is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the families will NEVER ask for verification of plane debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that NOT ONE single family member gave or demanded a DNA sample or independent test from the planes of 9-11 (which means authorities could never have matched the DNA as positive from the Pentagon Flt. 77 without a sample FROM the family)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    Perhaps the only way to get to the source is to waterboard Cheney & Bush

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  193. Was the date of September 11, 2001 chosen because it coincided with Tisha B’Av of that year ? See Zachary Hubbard on YouTube “Gematria effect news ” and his blog “Free to find the truth”. There are Masonic connections between the assassination of JFK – The killing of the King Ritual – and 9/11 which is also alleged to have been a masonic ritual sacrifice , for more information see S.K. Bain’s book ” The most dangerous book in the world , 9/11 as Masonic ritual ” which I believe can be downloaded in PDF for free .

  194. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    The total budget allocated by the US government for investigating 9/11 event was $15 million, whereas the Lewinsky affair investigation cost $50 million and Mueller’s whimsical “investigation” of Russiangate cost $32 million. https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/about/faq.htm

    Frequently Asked Questions About the 9-11 Commission
    What is the Commission’s budget?

    Public Law 107-306 provided for the reprogramming of $3 million for the Commission. Congress subsequently appropriated, and the President signed into law, an additional $11 million appropriation for the Commission. Recent legislation authorized an additional $1 million, bringing the Commission total budget to $15 million.
    The Commission is confident that it can fulfill its mandate with this amount. We appreciate very much the support of Congress and the President for this level of funding.

    “Robert Mueller’s Russia probe cost nearly $32 million in total, the Justice Department says:” https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/02/robert-muellers-russia-probe-cost-nearly-32-million-in-total-doj.html

  195. @NoseytheDuke

    Hey NoseytheDuke!

    Am consistently impressed by your smoking out & asphyiating hasbara/trolls, for example in this case, WiZard of oZ, by your clearly stating: “Yet another nother example of Wizard of Oz sock puppetry? Sure smells like it.”

    In addition, am impressed how your “smeller” works, registers toxic readings of the incorrigibly worthless comments authored by Sean, and avoids him as a piece of “puppet” shit. 👍.

    Fyi, Nosey, linked down below is a great Linh Dinh “Obscured Americans” 2017 article which features a historical gem interview with NYFD, 9/11 witness & survivor, Rudy Dent.

    After reading this work by L.D., I reckon you shall, to some degree, lighten up on Kevin Barrett’s not having “just used the accurate word instead an inaccurate word shrouded by, ‘better described by’?”

    I know you are detailed & tough-minded, Noseytheduke, and my appreciation and respect!🤗

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/obscured-american-rudy-dent-a-9-11-first-responder/

  196. @annamaria

    To see how 911 was done, check drjudywood.com.

  197. onebornfree says: • Website

    YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

    This”just” in [ I’ve been aware of this fact since 2008 🙂 ]:

    FACT : ALL of the alleged “live” video sequences of the collapse of WTC 7 are 100% CGI fakes!

    See: “September Clues WTC7 STUDY:

    Regards, onebornfree

  198. Rurik says:
    @tac

    I.HEARD.TRUMP.SAY.THOSE.WORDS!

    Despite People‘s comprehensive online content archive, we found no interview or profile on Donald Trump in 1998 (or any other time) that quoted his saying anything that even vaguely resembled the words in this meme.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/

    I’m no fan of Snopes, but I suspect if it existed, they’d be the first ones to bullhorn it to the public.

    I’m not doubting you, but it would be helpful to find the video.

    Perhaps it is as you say, and it was scrubbed by the PTB. But if it wasn’t, don’t you think that there’s enough people suffering from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) that if it still existed, that they would use it?

    If it came to light tomorrow, do you think the media would ignore it?

    If there was evidence that Trump raped a girl on Epstein’s island, do you think the media would ignore it?

    For the record, I’m not defending Trump. I find his servility to Israel demeaning and alarming.

    But I’m still convinced we all dodged a huge bullet by repudiating the war hag.

    For all of Trump’s perfidies, look at the cockroaches he flushed out of the crevices of our Deepstate.

    https://i2.wp.com/dbdailyupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/deep-state-seditionists.jpg?fit=640%2C360&ssl=1

    just a few of them.

    There’s every reason to believe that had the war hag prevailed, all of those, (or worse), would be in power today. And we’d be at war with Russia. The war hag would have declared a no-fly zone in Syria, and that ‘Assad has to go’.

    And yet, as I mentioned, for all of Trump’s mini-treasons (appointing Israeli-first people to power, in a direct betrayal of his America-first promise), he still hasn’t started a war with Iran, or destabilized Syria, or signaled his approval for an escalation in Donbas. I even suspect that Trump has an admiration for Putin, that he dare not show.

    Nonetheless, the betrayal–whatever way one may look at his Presidency, just like those previously held before his–is undeniable! Could you think any differently?

    Well tac, I’ll tell why I could think differently.

    It is very much because of ‘those previously’ were so much worse.

    I don’t think I need a litany, but just consider the wars? Illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, fiendish wars of aggression against defenseless nations and people that had done us no harm, and didn’t threaten us or our allies in any way. That was the nature of ‘those previously’, and would have been the nature of the cackling war hag’s administration, only ten times worse.

    When people like this article’s author seem to suffer from TDS, as an advocate for all things Islam, I can’t help but to wonder – does he have any, tiny conception of how bad the hag would have been for Iran? Or Syria? Or Lebanon? Or for the Muslim world collectively?

    The war hag infamously cackled with unrestrained ebullience over her personal culpability for a savage lynching of the best leader Africa had. Giddy over that event.

    It’s stuck with me. The sounds of those sub-human orcs

    These are the allies of my nation. As they torture to death an arguably great man, with the full support and blessings of my nation’s government.

    Just to put things into perspective, I will tell you that I believe, in my heart of hearts, that what was done to Gaddafi, and how Hillary reacted, would be more of less her exact same reaction if the same thing could be done to me.

    Or to Kevin Barrett for his persistence in telling the truth about things like 9/11, and the illegal and immoral wars on Muslim countries.

    Just to put a fine tip on it, I’d rather have Gaddafi in the White House over Hillary, any day, and twice on Sunday.

    I’d rather have Kevin Barrett, with his advocating a Muslim invasion of the West. He’d still be preferable to Hillary.

    In fact, since John McCain has gone to Hell, I’d be hard pressed to think of anyone I’d less want to have in the White House, than Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Hate Trump all you want, but I’ll always be grateful to him for at least for preventing the worst possible scenario I can imagine, from coming true.

    If you could, for all of Trump’s very real disappointments, would you swap him out today for Hillary?

    I wonder what Kevin Barrett would prefer. To my great disappointment, most Muslims would prefer Hillary, (and certain death and destruction of Muslim nations and people in the Middle East), because she’d be more willing to open the gates to a massive migration of Muslims (and everyone else) into the ZUSA.

    A lot of Muslims would be willing to see their own nations and villages bombed into the stone age, just so they can personally come participate in the dissolution of whitey land.

    Says something about Islam, sadly.

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @AnonStarter
    , @tac
  199. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    Sean, you still did not get the main point of the post: Shamelessness has become the internalizes feature of the tribe and this feature is finally visible for a lot of people.

    Two related aspects:
    1. Shamelessness as an explanation of tribal success (see Dershowitz, Bronfman, Zelikow, Feith, the Kagans clan, et al).
    2. The irrationality of the profiteering schema of “holocaust sufferings” in lieu of the opportunistic and shameless behavior of Israel-firsters and the bloody realpolitik of zionists.

  200. annamaria says:
    @utu

    Except that “They [Silverstein and Epstein] would be running and organizing the GULAG system” for decent people resisting the crooks.

  201. annamaria says:
    @bjondo

    Elie Wiesel was a clinically abnormal person who lacked a sense of shame. He was a successful profiteer, though. An exhibit A for the profiteering schema of holobiz “sufferers and survivors.”

    • Replies: @bjondo
  202. Mulegino1 says:

    Whatever Silverstein meant when he said “pull it” is really irrelevant, since the physical impossibility of WTC 7 experiencing global failure of its entire foundation due to office fires is easily demonstrable. Even NIST conceded-however grudgingly- that the building underwent free fall acceleration during its so called “collapse.”

    Silverstein remains a murder suspect, and had the motive- billions in insurance payments- and the opportunity- physical control of the WTC. How he was never deemed a serious suspect by any of the major investigative agencies demonstrates the absolute moral and professional vacuity and two tiered nature of so called “American justice” as well as the meretricious servility of the mainstream media.

    That the Twin Towers, the core of building 6 and WTC 7 were all destroyed as the result of explosives- most likely small nuclear weapons- is the simplest and best explanation for the catastrophe. The so called “airliners” were simply a Hollywood distraction, as was the “Let’s roll” script of Flight 93. There is no clearly authentic or unambiguous footage of any commercial airliner striking WTC 2. The Hezarkani footage is fake (hollow aluminum cylinders do not penetrate steel perimeter columns and thicker steel spandrels like a knife through hot butter), along with most of the other videos of the approach and impact of the “airliner” since they are so widely divergent with respect to the angle of approach and point of impact.
    Every camera in Manhattan was trained on those buildings, including those of professional photographers in the news choppers- including Chopper 4, which showed an explosion from within the building but no commercial airliner and only a small, barely discernible flying object in the upper corner- certainly no Boeing 767.

    • Agree: Robjil, Iris
    • Replies: @Agent76
    , @Iris
    , @tac
  203. ivan says:
    @David Erickson

    Have you considered the idea that a ‘free-fall’ is precisely that, ie. there is no demolition involved. I too was taken in by the mesmerising ‘free-fall’ idea (for WTC 7), until someone in that famous BBC program pointed out that controlled demolitions almost invariably do not result in ‘a free-fall into its own footprint’.

    • Replies: @David Erickson
  204. ivan says:
    @Adrian

    This story that a ‘demolitions expert’ was unaware of the controversy surrounding WTC 7, just doesn’t pass the smell test. I mean what kind of an ‘expert’ was he, that he was unaware of the earth-shaking events of those days?

    • Replies: @Adrian
  205. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    Hulsey’s draft report is now available here

    Zero Hedge Reports:

    This week, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth announced their partnership with the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) in releasing a draft report of an in depth four-year study on what actually brought down WTC 7. According to the press release, the release of the draft report begins a two-month period during which the public is invited to submit comments. The final report will be published later this year.

  206. ivan says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Excellent takedown of the nonsense about a ‘controlled demolition’. The actual conspiracy seems to involve a massive insurance fraud centred around some dubious scenarios involving the destruction of the WTC. But as long as the truthers are there to provide distraction, I’m certain that ‘Lucky Larry’ wouldn’t mind.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  207. Agent76 says:
    @annamaria

    You are welcome and here is more insight.

    Sep 6, 2019 9/11 Whistleblowers: Kevin Ryan

    In the early 2000s, Kevin Ryan was the site manager at Environmental Health Laboraties. On November 11, 2004, he wrote directly to Frank Gayle, the director of NIST’s Twin Towers investigation. The following week, he was fired. This is his story.

  208. Agent76 says:
    @Mulegino1

    You are all over it! University Study Finds Fire Did Not Bring Down World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 Release of Draft Report to Be Followed by Public Comment Period

    On September 11, 2001, at 5:20 PM, the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed into its footprint, falling more than 100 feet at the rate of gravity for 2.5 seconds of its seven-second destruction.

    http://action.ae911truth.org/o/50694/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1403010

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  209. bjondo says:
    @annamaria

    I would say Wiesel is normal
    in a Torah-Talmud-holocaust belief system.

    You have “survivors” in quotes.
    Good.

    Inmate not survivor for those
    who were in the
    WW2 German camps.

    To be a survivor is to be a breathing Gazan.

  210. @Sean

    I hear a beep on my JEWDAR. Why is that (((Sean)))?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Sean
  211. @ivan

    Insurance fraud, theft of gold, short selling on the Stock Exchange, these were only secondary aims of 9/11. The major aim was creating a “Global War on Terror” in order to take down several Muslim nations for Israel. Israel remains the main culprit.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @ivan
  212. Why hasn’t it used the work of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth—including the brand-new University of Alaska study on the controlled demolition of WTC-7—to expose the biggest scandal of the 21st century, if not all of American history?

    Beware Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. They are controlled opposition. Richard Gage & Steven E. Jones of AE911 Truth insist that it must have been thermite that caused all the destruction on 9/11. Yet they refuse to grapple with the evidence that points to something even more sinister – a directed energy weapon:

    – Low seismic activity: the buildings turned to dust/powder in *mid-air*; they did not “collapse” or hit the ground; hence very little seismic activity
    – Disturbance in the earth’s magnetic field on 9/11
    – Strange circular holes in the tops of WTC5 and WTC6:


    – “Toasted” cars with weird damage – not caused by heat/fire

    – Buildings turning to dust in mid-air / lack of debris / low seismic footprint

    Methinks the Deep State has some weapons more advanced than the ones it tells us about:
    https://www.army.mil/standto/2018-09-19

    See Dr. Judy Wood’s website for more:
    http://www.drjudywood.com/wp/
    http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/

  213. Read the following two sentences again. Read them slowly, and move your lips if it will help you comprehend what they mean.

    It collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed. There is only one thing that can cause that – controlled demolition.

  214. @Mulegino1

    Christian support of Israel stems from Gods promises to Abraham in Genesis.

    Temple restoration, the second coming of Christ, cannot be speeded up by Christians.

  215. Rurik says:
    @lavoisier

    This immodest faith based certainty possessed by millions of human beings has done enormous harm to peace and justice in our world.

    Thanks and very nicely, understated.

    Compare what’s happening in Yemen or Gaza, with what goes on daily in places like Canada or Australia. Much as this map shows.

    The people raining down horrors in Gaza and Yemen today are extremely religious people, believing that God is on their side, as they starve Yemen and terrorize Gaza.

    The only reason my country is engaged in perpetrating so many atrocities and war crimes the world over, is because my country has been co-0pted by religious fanatics; Zionists. And because these Zionists (both Jewish supremacist and “Christian”), believe that ‘God’ demands the Jews genocide all the Arabs from Palestine, this imperative of the religiously enthralled, has caused untold miseries, and continues to do so even as I type this.

    Secular Jews don’t believe that god put Gentiles here to serve the Jews as their slaves.

    Religious Jews believe that. (And conduct themselves accordingly).

    To a secular person, the Alawites vs. Sunnis vs. Shiites all killing each other, over some obscure minutia in Islamic theology, seems like madness. Sort of the way Jonathon Swift’s Lilliputians warred over which end of an egg one must crack first. His satire for mocking the horrors Catholics visited upon Protestants, and visa versa for so terribly long. How many Brits and French and others were slaughtered over the so-called infallibility of the Poop?

    Where, I wonder, would Kevin B prefer to live and raise his family?

    In a Taliban-like society, with Sharia law enforced with vigor, or a secular type society that respects all people’s views?

  216. @ivan

    Read the following two sentences again. Read them slowly, and move your lips if it will help you comprehend what they mean.

    It collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed. There is only one thing that can cause that – controlled demolition.

  217. Mulegino1 says:
    @Agent76

    Indeed.

    NIST grudgingly admitted that WTC 7 did undergo free fall acceleration- and could not even come up with a progressive collapse scenario for WTC 1 and 2- it only provided a model up to the onset of “collapse.”

    Of course, NIST and the 9/11 Commission, inter alia, were never really tasked with a real investigation of the events, but with providing a validation ab auctoritate of the ridiculous official narrative.

    Critics of those who question the official narrative employ every logical fallacy in the book, and the most commonly employed is, of course, the ad hominem i.e., that anybody who doubts the official verson based upon the powers of observation, empirical evidence and common sense must be a tinfoil hatter, etc. Of course, the “debunking” of alternative theories which better fit physical reality proves nothing. If the official version of the events was credible in the least, there would be no need to debunk anything.

  218. DaveE says:
    @Anne Lid

    “An honest man, when confronted with evidence that challenges his long held beliefs, ceases to believe. Most other men, when confronted with such evidence, cease to be honest.”

    —- Mark Twain (LONG before 9/11….)

  219. @Rurik

    According to Win- Gallup poll Iceland is 10 per cent atheist. China is 47 %!

    Godless and communist are symbiotic.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  220. Durruti says:
    @Rurik

    Hate Trump all you want, but I’ll always be grateful to him for at least for preventing the worst possible scenario I can imagine, from coming true.

    You insist that Casino (Yahweh) Trump kept us out of wars – that Killery Clinton (the wife of the husband & former ‘Pres’ in a blue dress) would have gotten us in. Your cover is that you admit Casino (Yahweh) Trump is somewhat tarnished, “for all of Trump’s very real disappointments” – but that he is better than.

    I imagine you are pumping for electoral support to Casino Trump in 2020.

    You cling to the fantasy, or consciously misdirect:

    1. – the fiction that the United States is an Independent (Sovereign) Nation.

    2. You insist that we American citizens have the power to Vote Ourselves out of Trouble.

    3. You insist Casino (God) Trump, Hollywood Obomber, or Bill (I wear a blue dress) Clinton have/had the power to make any major political decisions.

    The Shadow Government

    Has just revealed itself – as it has suffered a serious organizational crisis. And, of course, you only see it as the Mainstream Media played it.

    1. For the last 3 Decades, the Maxwells, Epstein, MOSSAD, and their puppet CIA, have Operated the American Government. They, and their underling Governors and Knesset Congress, have decided on every major policy and financial action. The Hollywood Executive & the TV Rerun Legislature are mere actors. And you and others enjoy the Show, and fail to see the Reality.

    2. The Congress, such as the last group of 72 that traveled to the Office of their Foreign Zionist Boss, may return with surgical implants (perhaps implants are 0nly needed for some).

    3. These Traitors ignore the greatest single crime being committed in 2019, that of the genocidal Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’s indigenous inhabitants by the Zionist Land Thieves. All other crimes stem from this one.

    Next year, your Casino Trump, or any other Puppet, will recognize the Eretz Israel sovereignty over the entire Planet – if he/she is directed to do so.

    America is not free. Our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, and our Republic, were assassinated on November 22, 1963, in a hail of bullets by the MOSSAD with some help from their CIA Minions. What do you think that was about?

    Elections only work in Democratic Republics, that is Sovereign Republics, where the Citizens have some imput into who will become their leaders, and how the game is played.

    Freedom is not free. We must pay for it!

    Durruti

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Just another serf
    , @Rurik
  221. @DESERT FOX

    I agree about the bankers. That’s why Jews always want wars….they always win in making money.

  222. Sparkon says:

    Check out this CNN raw video feed from 9/11, beginning around the 43 minute mark, and pay close attention as the camera begins to zoom out/pull back, past the smoke blowing sideways, until the video reaches the 43:31 mark, when some very strange artifacts begin to appear near the bottom of the frame, continuing until about 43:38, when there is a video dissolve/cut to another camera, or something.

    It looks very much like a major flub with a 3D model, where the 3D object with some ground clutter on top is mispositioned too high in the model, and Manhattan appears to have lost its bottom.

    CGI

    • Agree: Amanda
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Amanda
  223. @Curious Cat

    I have wondered about Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth for some years , they have had some excellent articles on their website about the demolition of the Twin Towers but they appear to be gatekeepers regarding the use of nuclear weapons in their destruction , how else can you explain the effects of the blasts . Nukes have a long history of being used for blasting and demolition work and small nukes could easily have been secreted in the basements of the Twin Towers . According to the Smithsonian Magazine US Special Forces at one time were packing miniature nuclear bombs which were known as the B-54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SPADM) and these were created as far back as 1954 , such munitions could easily have fallen into the wrong hands as the theft of US nuclear material is well documented .
    The problem in researching 9/11 is that the field is populated by gatekeepers like Chomsky , Assange and Hartmann who belittle and denigrate those who question the government’s tall tale of hijackers flying planes into high rise building which collapsed as a result of fires .

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  224. @Durruti

    Our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, and our Republic, were assassinated on November 22, 1963, in a hail of bullets by the MOSSAD with some help from their CIA Minions.

    It couldn’t have been the Israelies, because a Palestinian killed Robert Kennedy. So it was probably the Palestinians what killed JFK.

    But seriously, the truth of your blocked quote above becomes clearer to me with each day I live.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  225. Junior says:
    @mcohen

    Although I obviously disagree with his choice of writer with reasons stated in my previous post, in my opinion Mr. Unz runs one of the greatest websites with one of the most thought provoking comments sections on the internet and I thank him for it.

    In all my years commenting here I have never seen anything remotely resembling your allegations of him encouraging violence against Jewish people or ANYONE for that matter. If I thought for one second that he was promoting any forms of violence then I wouldn’t be here commenting on his site.

    I consider your post a failed attempted smear against him and if I were able you would see my name right next to AnonStarter’s above labeling you for the troll that you are.

  226. @WorkingClass

    The battle of NYC Mafia gangs! Using the old trick of saying the opposite of what one intends to do!

  227. Iris says:
    @Junior

    I remember reading one of the author’s articles on 9/11 nukes and then sitting at my computer questioning whether I was crazy for also questioning the obvious lies of the official narrative.

    The fact that the WTC was brought down by underground nuclear explosions is absolutely obvious for anybody with a Physics background.

    The flagrant smoking gun is the molten steel-level temperatures, lasting for over 3 months, that were recorded by thermographic photography.

    If anybody is ever able to replicate the WTC massive heat transfer with “office fires”, then they should quickly file a patent, as they would make billions in the heating industry [sad joke].

    In the real world Physicists live in, the amount of heat transferred to the open atmosphere by the burning rubbles of the WTC is assessed by the “Equation of Natural Thermal Convection”.
    Although it is only a low estimate, it proves that the energy released by the WTC rubbles was in the order of 10 peta Joules , or 10^15 Joules
    To release such amount of energy, the amount of fuel required would have to be in the order of:
    – 100,000 tons of conventional/chemical fuel.
    – or 10 tons of nuclear fuel.

    It is certain that there was nowhere to hide 100,000 tons of coal or petrol in the WTC towers’ basements. Furthermore, conventional fuel cannot burn underground, as its combustion requires a continuous supply of oxygen.

    So the WTC persistent elevated temperatures were caused by underground nuclear fuel, with a total mass in the order of 1000 tons. From a Physics viewpoint, it is the only possible explanation, at the exclusion of any other.

    • Replies: @Junior
    , @Stonehands
  228. @9/11 Inside job

    Dr. Judy Wood has the answers at drjudywood.com.

  229. Robjil says:
    @Curious Cat

    All we need is evidence who did it.

    That is the most important part of the puzzle.

    We will found out how it was done at the Nulandberg trials. Neocon Nuland sounds a bit like Nuremberg, so it would be a good title for the trials.

    The culprits will tell us how they did it at the trials.

    There will no mumbo jumbo Purim or Tanakh mumbo jumbo used in these trials.

    It will be rational, ethical, and logical in all its procedures. Unlike the Nuremberg trials, with its Purim fantasy of hanging ten National Socialists like they were the ten sons of Haman.

    The whole earth will ring with a real “Ode to Joy” while these trials go on. The earth has been so tortured for so long for Zion fantasies. The earth is crying out in pain to be free of Zion.

  230. OTOH/IMHO says:
    @Adrian

    “What makes his analysis more convincing is that he obviously didn’t suspect foul play and believed that, timewise, it could, though very difficult, all have been prepared after Silverstein gave the command “pull it”.
    This is almost ridiculous- he doesn’t suspect foul play when the only explanation is the building was loaded with explosives in advance?! (because there is no way that Silverstein could or would have ordered a burning building to have been loaded with carefully placed explosives to “pull it.”
    And even assuming it had been, why was this never discussed in the official investigation?

    • Replies: @Adrian
  231. @Kevin Barrett

    “Purchased them on a 100 year lease” is the complete and accurate expression. But even that understates his ownership, because he demanded “right to rebuild” etc. etc. in the contract, giving him the same kind of total control over the property that “owners” have.

    Very true! Goes back to the days of Thomas Robert Malthus. Finally, to some extent Thacher was able to abolish somewhat the concept of, “Purchased on a 100 year lease”

    The Land belonged to Monarch and no one had a right to the title of land!

  232. @Rurik

    /Says something about Islam, sadly./

    Rather, it says something about the millennial Muslim world, whose condition is nothing more than the fulfillment of a prophecy.

    I’m curious as to why any reasonable individual would imagine any given political party in contemporary America has their best interests in mind when it’s been proven repeatedly just how broken both wings of the bird truly are. That some Muslims or non-Muslims imagine Hillary to be preferable to Trump or vice versa merely speaks to their naivete.

    And others’ naivete about American politics has nothing to do with the religion to which they profess adherence, let alone with Islam.

    Or don’t they teach you about logical fallacies anymore?

  233. Iris says:
    @Mulegino1

    Whatever Silverstein meant when he said “pull it” is really irrelevant, since the physical impossibility of WTC 7 experiencing global failure of its entire foundation due to office fires is easily demonstrable

    This is of course entirely correct, and due to steel’s melting point temperature being far higher than temperatures reached by office fires .
    As a matter of fact for the sceptics, this was indirectly demonstrated by the recent fire at Notre-Dame-De-Paris. Whilst the fires raged for over 8 hours, the scaffolding erected around the spire and made of galvanised steel much less solid than the WTC structural steel, came out unscathed.

    What Silverstein meant by “pull it” is that this very suspicious demolition had to happen because critical evidence was present in the basement of WTC7. WTC1 and 2 were demolished by underground nuclear charges carried from a WTC7 control chamber by a rail track delivery system. The tunnel and rail track were an embedded feature built during WTC construction in the late 60’s.

  234. @Rurik

    To a secular person, the Alawites vs. Sunnis vs. Shiites all killing each other, over some obscure minutia in Islamic theology, seems like madness.

    It is more than your simplistic view. The winner always writes the history, and control the future. Just like the winners of both World Wars, the Allied Forces wrote the history and control the future. Same with Islam, it was hijacked while the body of the Prophet still warm and not buried yet!

    I don’t think both the World Wars and Holocaust history is so simple.

    On the death of Prophet, preemptive wars were fought and Islam was spread by the sword for Mammon. The same Muslims shafted the same Christians who gave Prophet Mohammad and his adherent the protection when their lives were in peril.

  235. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Don’t forget the “native-born” traitors Cheney, Bush, Tenet, Rice, Rumsfeld, and an army of hungry war profiteers who aligned with zionists to wage the highly profitable “humanitarian” interventions for Eretz Israel.

    While the pressituting MSM bloviated about “patriotism of American people,” the intelligence services were busy with creating subversive organizations stuffed with fanatical jihadis.

    The event of 9/11 is the dirtiest page in US history, implicating the highest echelons of power in the US government. It was not just cowardice — it was the eager cooperation between the criminal world of Jewish financiers, oilmen, and warprofiteers and the opportunists in the US government. The line between the criminals and deciders of Cheney kind was blurred.

  236. annamaria says:
    @Sparkon

    Bush the lesser promised the US citizenry to dedicate full resources of the federal government to the investigation of 9/11. Bush the lesser also mentioned his communication with the vice-president, certain Mr. Cheney. The “full resources” amounted to $3 million (augmented to puny $15 million). Bush’ promise was just another lie. https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/9-11-commission-report

    the commission was hamstrung by the time and budgetary constraints, and its effectiveness was hampered by misinformation given by organizations like the Pentagon and the Federal Aviation Administration.

  237. Jews! Sheeeeeeze!

    Perhaps there’s a reason, a good reason, they’ve been exterminated from many cultures and countries for centuries.

  238. @Just another serf

    The Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan, who allegedly killed Robert Kennedy, was a MK Ultra hypnotized “patsy”. He denied the murder. The Jews were already then busy smearing the Palestinians, in case the Americans would sympathize with them.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Just another serf
  239. @AnonStarter

    [Too much off-topic argumentation.]

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  240. @Robjil

    But few people know exactly what the word Al-Qaeda actually means. Some news agencies freely misinterpret the word as meaning ‘The Base’. But this is not actually the full and proper translation of the ominous term.

    Dear Robjil,

    Best thing happened to Islam and Muslims. It showed the ugly face of Islam that anyone with some land and might, can declare Himself a Caliph.

  241. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I’m not entirely convinced Sean is, though it seems he’d like to be one.

    J.J. Angelton wouldn’t be the only shabbos goy spider that spun a web of lies for Team Zion and Sean’s got intel written all over him, trying to set unz up for a subpoena once he catches his Silverstein-slaying fish.

    If it doesn’t kill the site, it’ll place it in the crosshairs.

    You’ve gotta give him credit. He’s trying his best.

  242. @Assad al-islam

    Unless corrected, I’ll assume the “off-topic argumentation” was inevitably the result of the information I had provided on the age of ‘Aisha radiALLAHU ‘anha. I’m not sure why this should provoke argument from a Muslim, though I have something of an idea as to his persuasion.

    Assad, I’m not interested in playing a bit role in the Sunni-Shi’a theater of mobius strip contention. I appreciate your worldview for what it’s worth, though it is not mine. I simply will not adopt a perspective that pits one companion of the Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam against another to such an extent that said contention invariably and perpetually divides them. Their disputes, where they existed, were ephemeral.

    Islam, nevertheless, endures.

    Hopefully, we can appreciate at least this much. Otherwise, we’ll just delight our enemies.

  243. Iris says:

    According to French historian Laurent Guyénot’s hypothesis, the CIA’s false flag fake assassination attempt on President John F. Kennedy, designed to be blamed on Cuba, was transformed by Mossad into a real assassination—and the CIA couldn’t expose it due to its own complicity.

    This is a remarkably illuminating statement in an already exceptionally interesting article.

    When carrying out honest research on the Kennedy assassination, one often comes across the mention of an “abort mission“:

    – Lee Harvey Oswald confided in his girlfriend Judith Vary Baker that he was in Dallas on an “abort mission” to derail a plot to murder JFK.
    – CIA Black Ops pilot Robert “Tosh” Plummlee flew hit man Johnny Roselli to Dallas, believing he was on an “abort mission” too. He later witnessed the Dealey Plaza crime with horror.
    – Hit man Johnny Roselli, one of four Chicago mob members involved in the crossfire that killed JFK, indeed backtracked just before the killing, stating that the CIA had cancelled the assassination plot. Another key hitman, Charles Nicolletti, insisted on carrying out with the execution as no counter-order was issued to him

    While patsies are of course always lied to, it is remarkable that professional hit men involved in the assassination had been given contradictory instructions.

    The hypothesis that the CIA wanted to only scare and influence JFK with a faked assassination attempt, but was forcibly overtaken by a foreign secret service who carried out the real assassination makes a lot of sense.

  244. Junior says:
    @Iris

    The fact that the WTC was brought down by underground nuclear explosions is absolutely obvious for anybody with a Physics background.

    BS.

    You don’t need a Physics background to read a Geiger counter and anyone can go test the absurd claims of nukes at Ground Zero for themselves.

    • Replies: @Iris
  245. Sean says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    By residing in the US, Silverstein shows he is the bravest of the brave, and does not care about the danger to his family from those Truthers determined to settle accounts with him via a social justice home delivery service. Or, every single one of those accusing him and believing the accusations is a wretched coward and liar without the courage of a mouse.

    But there is a third possibility: accusing Silverstein involves a suspension of disbelief as with believing in the villians of mass entertainments, and for that reason there is no one queuing up to make a fool of themself by taking it seriously, other than for the time they spend in a comfy chair in front of a screen. Then again, real men don’t prefer movies and keyboard commando-ing to getting things done in real life. So maybe they are cowards either way.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Iris
    , @Skeptikal
  246. Iris says:
    @Junior

    BS.
    You don’t need a Physics background to read a Geiger counter and anyone can go test the absurd claims of nukes at Ground Zero for themselves.

    We have never exchanged before, so I will assume that you are a real person, of good faith, with a real interest in 9/11. I for my part am a real person with a real background in physics.

    – Surface radioactivity resulting from an underground nuclear explosion in hard soil will be considerably much weaker than if caused by an overground detonation. This is because radioactivity is mostly made of particles that cannot traverse a large layer of collapsed rocks and rubble, with the exception of a small fraction of the radioactive particles which will be able to make it through the cracks and to the surface.

    – The number of 9/11 first responders who have developed/died of cancer is a staggering 10,000 individuals. These people are affected by all types of cancer, NOT just the specific ailments caused by asbestos. These cancers, we are told, were allegedly caused by the “fumes” of 9/11.
    Plane crashes have happened for decades, with thousands of first responders involved . Have you ever heard of people getting cancer from attending a plane crash?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/911-attack-ground-zero-manhattan-cancer
    – The perpetrators in control of the WTC are well aware of the risk of radiations; this is why they built water fountains above the footprints of the North and South towers.
    Water, like rocks, blocks radioactive particles, and is commonly used in nuclear power plants for that purpose, among other functions.

    • Replies: @Junior
  247. @Rurik

    /In a Taliban-like society, with Sharia law enforced with vigor, or a secular type society that respects all people’s views?/

    Something of a false dichotomy here, presuming the sole manifestation of shari’ah to be that of “the Taliban” — a purportedly homogenous conglomeration of Afghanis known in the west for little more than their extreme intolerance — and the sole manifestation of “secular type” societies being those that “respect all people’s views.” (You might want to do some research on the militantly secular early Turkish Republic, which could hardly be said to have “respected all people’s views” while it terminated religious dissidents with extreme prejudice.)

    Personally, for the time being, I prefer my home country, America, though I might prefer Afghanistan were it not for the tendency of American-made munitions to rain down upon Muslim civilians there. I enjoy my experience living and learning among many different Muslims and wouldn’t trade it for anything.

    Famous line from Law and Order:

    “A mind is like a wound: the more open it gets, the more infected.”

    • Replies: @Sean
  248. @Sean

    Excellent, Sean. Just marvelous.

    You truly are a master baiter.

  249. Adrian says:
    @ivan

    You wrote::

    “This story that a ‘demolitions expert’ was unaware of the controversy surrounding WTC 7, just doesn’t pass the smell test. I mean what kind of an ‘expert’ was he, that he was unaware of the earth-shaking events of those days?”

    He was an expert at his trade which presumably left him too littlle time to scan newspapers. And even if he had followed the MSM reports on these “earth-shaking events” (a typical piece of American egotism by the way) he wouidn’t have been much wiser about WTC 7. – or about the other buildings for that matter.

    “Jowenko was the owner of Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie, a controlled demolitions company headquartered in the Netherlands. He had over 30 years of building demolition experience, and his knowledge of explosives was so respected that he was sought as a contributor to the ImplosionWorld production of “A History of Structural Demolition in America”.”

    Presumably he was asked to write a general piece. Why would he be knowledgeable about structural demolition in America? He had concerns closer to home.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @9/11 Inside job
  250. Iris says:
    @Sean

    By residing in the US, Silverstein shows he is the bravest of the brave

    No. Silverstein resides in America in total impunity because the USA has become an Israeli colony.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Robjil
    • Replies: @Sean
  251. Adrian says:
    @OTOH/IMHO

    This is a bit incoherent, sorry. For the rest see my answer to Ivan.

  252. Skeptikal says:
    @Sean

    “accusing Silverstein involves a suspension of disbelief ”

    On the contrary, not accusing/suspecting Silverstein involves a suspension of common sense and its focus on the right question: Cuo bono?
    Plus, who has the means and motivation?
    It’s just too easy!
    One must be a deliberately blind fool tiptoeing past the graveyard NOT to suspect Silverstein of being involved in 9/11 on some level. Probably the level of “why can’t ‘the new Pearl Harbor’ be MY buildings, so I can make a killing on insurance??? Also, since I own the territory, I can offer *operational support on the ground!”

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Sean
  253. ivan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yes there are some loose ends : the dancing Israelis for one. I can understand some fellows recording the fall of those iconic towers for posterity. But to go 0n an Indian war-dance, whooping it up when there were thousands trapped in the buildings seems pathological.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  254. Sean says:
    @Iris

    He has not faced even a single demonstration.

    Someone lives in a colony of mammals that likes hiding from the light and swallowing excrement, and it is not Silverstein

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Durruti
  255. ivan says:
    @Adrian

    Jowenko does indeed have an impressive CV. But he could well be suffering from the tunnel vision that afflicts experts. I am no expert in anything, but I do recall watching demolitions of buildings : they almost always fall in a staggered fashion, with large parts falling obliquely.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Adrian
  256. ivan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I read somewhere that there was an assassination attempt on Leonid Brezhnev in the 70s. The would be assassin was interrogated by none other Yuri Andropov. The man was freed after a few years, would you believe. But in the great USA, land of the free and justice flowing out of every pore, Sirhan Sirhan has been held incommunicado for well on 50 years.

  257. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    Famous line from Law and Order:

    “A mind is like a wound: the more open it gets, the more infected.”

    That is why Israel needs to stop playing the nice guy on the border with the Palestinians. As Ehud Barak said, Netanyahu’s “restraint” is having disastrous results , and what is needed is “restoration of deterrence in Gaza” .

  258. Durruti says:
    @ivan

    Ivan

    Yes there are some loose ends : the dancing Israelis for one.

    These Zionist Land Thieves were a Film Crew, who were set up to film the destruction of the Twin Towers, BEFORE the TOWERS & Building 7 were attacked.

    Pathological and Prescient.

  259. Sparkon says:
    @ivan

    No. Controlled demolitions are executed so that the building falls straight down into its own footprint. Key building supports are cut sequentially with explosives.

    It’s done that way to avoid causing damage to adjacent structures or neighboring property.

    Building 7’s controlled demolition on 9/11 is a classic example of that, and most of the building did indeed fall largely straight down into its own footprint, with a substantial but rather neat debris heap as seen in both overhead and ground-level photos in the aftermath.

    By contrast, the Twin Towers seemed to have been blown apart from the top down, and there was a fair amount of damage to neighboring structures like the Deutsche Bank, which eventually had to be demolished itself, and the Winter Garden Atrium, which was showered with the external three-story chex sections of box columns and spandrels from WTC 1, like a blast from a shotgun.

  260. Durruti says:
    @Sean

    Someone lives in a colony of mammals that likes hiding from the light and swallowing excrement, and it is not Silverstein

    I understand that many American Citizens are hiding from the light and swallowing the shit propaganda from the Mainstream media & the Zionist controlled Education Establishment, as well as the complete degradation of our Legal System (Epstein & Maxwell Farce). Where are they? We the People are not allowed to know, and are unable to meaningfully protest. We take endless abuse & humiliation, and never hit back.

    And yes, Zionist criminals such as Silverstein, or our Puppet Traitor Government bureaucrats have not faced a single demonstration.

    There are as yet no Gilets Jaunes, or Sons & Daughters of Liberty present.

    The People’s Dodgers are behind the Imperialist Yankees 10 – 0 in the 9th inning, 2 outs and 2 strikes, Sandy Koufax is at bat, and Whitey Ford is pitching. But we have that swing!

    God Bless!

  261. @Iris

    “The hypothesis that the CIA wanted to only scare and influence JFK with a faked assassination attempt, but was forcibly overtaken by a foreign secret service who carried out the real assassination makes a lot of sense.”

    Not to me. It’s one of the sillier things that Laurent Guyénot has blurted out. At the time of the assassination, the CIA was much larger and better funded than Mossad. The idea of Mossad forcibly taking over a CIA mission at that time is laughable.

    What makes sense to me is a scenario in which Dulles loyalists in the CIA launched an assassination mission at the behest of Israel and used Mossad assets and personnel to help carry it out.

    Unless you think that in the early 1960s Mossad was already the world’s most powerful intelligence organization and was able to overpower the CIA, FBI and NSA on their own turf and assassinate an American president on their own, then force the entire US federal law enforcement apparatus as well as the military to cover it up, then Laurent is howling at nothing.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Kevin Barrett
  262. @Skeptikal

    Arguendo, let’s say it’s impossible to know for certain about Silverstein’s foreknowledge. Let’s imagine a cogent argument can be made both for or against it.

    Well, we still have the dancing Shlomos as well as the remarkable coincidence of Israeli agents (many of whom claimed to be “art students”) shadowing future hijackers throughout America. We have a massive Israeli espionage ring receiving live feeds from telephone lines in the White House, State Department and Pentagon during the Clinton administration, we have dual citizen John Deutch, former director of the CIA, winning an 11th hour pardon from Slick Willy before he could be convicted on charges of “mishandling” top secret code words, we have a credible report that the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks had knowledge of top secret code words obtainable only by the FBI, CIA, Secret Service or FAA, we have a manifesto for regime change in the Middle East authored by the very same zionists who would either ascend to the position of authority necessary to stage a false flag operation and summarily lie America into Iraq or effectively influence those who would, we have members of the very same coffee klatch declaring the necessity of a “New Pearl Harbor” in order to advance their agenda, we have Oded Yinon, we have mass media organs subordinated to Israel, and we have a curious project involving even more art students working in the future strike zone of the North Tower in the years leading up to the attacks:

    https://www.markdotzler.com/Mark_Dotzler/WTC_Artists.html

    Now this is by no means a comprehensive list of coincidences, but I’d say that’s some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence that calls the official narrative into question, with or without Silverstein.

  263. @Adrian

    Indeed Danny Jowenko was one of the World’s leading experts on demolitions , after watching video of the collapse of building 7 he stated ” This was a controlled demolition carried out by a team of experts,” Dr.Alan Sabrosky’s skepticism about the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was raised after hearing of Joweko’s testimony . Sabrosky is the former Director of Studies at the Army War College and in his opinion “Only two intelligence agencies had the expertise assets , access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground : our CIA and Israel’s Mossad .” Three days after Sabrosky had been interviewed by Press TV about Jowenko’s conclusion as to the demolition of building 7 , Jowenko was killed in a car crash . Were “Boston brakes ” to blame ?
    See : Christian Forums :” Danny Joweko is dead , 3 days after Sabrosky interview implicates
    CIA /Mossad in 911.”

  264. Adrian says:
    @ivan

    You wrote:

    “Jowenko does indeed have an impressive CV. But he could well be suffering from the tunnel vision that afflicts experts. I am no expert in anything, but I do recall watching demolitions of buildings : they almost always fall in a staggered fashion, with large parts falling obliquely.”

    Do I understand correctly that you seriously think your knowledge of these things, probably gained in a few occasional sightings, allows you to correct the diagnosis based on Jowenko’s expertise (his “tunnel vision”)? And, by the way, why did you not think of that “tunnel vision” when you showed your disbelief about him being totally unaware of suspicions of foul play?

  265. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    “As Ehud Barak said…”

    — Well. Any new revelations about Barak involvement in Epstein’ pedophile business?

  266. Robjil says:
    @Twodees Partain

    J Zionists Advisors had control of Britain and the US since the FED started on 12/23/1913.

    J Zionist Advisors in Britain and US pushed for WWI to get the Balfour Declaration.

    and WWII to get Israel.

    To get rid of president was a piece of cake for Zionist Advisors after getting two world wars.

    The Nuremberg trials was a Jewish Passion Play. Zionists played out a Purim fantasy by hanging ten bigwig National Socialists to represent the ten sons of Haman.

    Zionist Advisors are at it again for WWIII to get Eretz Israel. This might be a bridge too far for them. The world had enough of their destructive antics. It is too obvious now what they are up too.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Iris
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  267. @Twodees Partain

    There was presumably a convergence of interests between Israelis horrified by JFK’s commitment to stopping their nuclear program and Americans who wanted a coup for other reasons. But don’t underestimate Israel’s talent for manipulating Western intelligence services. For an fiction-based-on-fact insider’s perspective, read John Le Carre’s The Little Drummer Girl.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  268. @Patrikios Stetsonis

    “Assault on the Liberty” would be a perfect title for a book about September 11 2001
    terror attack and its planned consequences as well. And for more than just obvious
    reasons.

  269. @Sean

    You seem more animated than usual, flapping your jaws about some imaginary “border” in Palestine.

    Something got under your skin, perhaps?

    • Replies: @Sean
  270. @Kevin Barrett

    I don’t doubt that there was manipulation, especially given JFK’s intention of stopping Israel’s nuclear weapon development. My point is that the assassination was likely a CIA mission done at the behest of Israel. That’s what I wrote. JFK had also announced his intention to break up the CIA and had fired Allen Dulles.

    The hypothesis that the CIA was intending to set up a close call that would scare JFK into letting Israel have its way and that the Mossad turned it into an actual assassination is ludicrous. Laurent Guyénot thought that up. I don’t see how otherwise intelligent people would actually buy into it.

    Maybe reading novels leads to that kind of thinking.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Iris
  271. @Robjil

    Yes, I’m aware of all of that. I just find Laurent Guyénot’s little hypothesis ludicrous. It’s much more likely that the CIA fully intended to assassinate the president and didn’t need Mossad to “force” it to happen.

    You and Kevin both seem to have read my comment, which was written in plain English and translated it into Martian for you both to think I need these things explained to me so that I can grasp that Israel needed JFK to die.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  272. tac says:
    @Rurik

    With regards to the video quoting Trump that Republicans are some of the dumbest people in the world and easily deceived is something that I have heard and saw coming out of Trump’s mouth personally, so I know what I’ve heard is true indeed. As far as the video, it has been scrubbed–I should know because I’ve searched for it a few time already after I’ve witnessed it personally–it has been removed from YouTube. Perhaps it exists on other platforms and I’ll make an effort to locate it if I can find just to show you that what I am telling you is the truth.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against you and we all disagree on things–which is perfectly healthy and normal, but what I took issue with in your previous statement is the notion of those who criticize trump have no reason to do so and the only possible explanation seems to be TDS, which is obviously not true. No worries, we will just have to agree to disagree.

    I always hear this meme from Trump supporters that he is somehow less evil because he did not start a ‘new’ war–YET. It’s not for the fact of lack of trying, but one of one failure after another. Can you be sure there would be not a overt attempt after the election? One that is being rigged in his favor, no doubt, by putting up candidates on the democratic side that are all badly flawed–while suppressing the only one that might have some real support–(thereby making sure idiot goof Biden will gets the nomination, again as an Israeli stooge insurance policy) so that Trump will seem like the ‘outsider’ once again. Once re-elected the war of Iran will be that much more likely because Trump would rather kill, imprison or disregard his supporters (as his speeches make clear if one reads between the lines) than to disappoint his real faithful Jewish Zionists in Israel and New York.

    It’s not like his sanctions polices, commandeered by Israeli firsters whose only concern is that of Israel, are that of an Act of War, nor his buildup of new bases and increases of troop deployments, despite his forked tongue to the contrary, nor the attempts at more color revolutions and false flags in Venezuela, Iran, Syria, and China should concern his supporters. How many ongoing conflicts has Trump attempted to end, besides the nominal lip service? Well, let’s see: Afghanistan:No, Syria:No, Yemen:No, Iran:No. Instead he ratchets up sanctions (soft coup attempts and hopes his supporters will ignore these flagrant aggressions) on: Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, China, Turkey ….

    Sorry, I just do not see much of a difference between Trump, Hillary or anyone else who is being (((considered))) for the post.

  273. Sparkon says:

    Well, I don’t think you can do this…

    Image: Foreign Policy Journal

    ..with an underground nuclear explosion.

    But of course we must at least consider that this image and the video might be CGI, made possible using technology like PVI’s video insertion system, which is able to add and/or delete animated objects in live video to replace one thing with another, for example, and do it all in real time as the action unfolds. The long and short of it is that anything coming across the boob tube is easily manipulated by those with the technology.

    Let the viewer beware.

    Now, it seems to me the blast from an underground nuclear explosion beneath either of the Twin Towers would have posed a danger to the so-called bathtub, as well as those underground vaults with all the gold.

    In the overhead images of ground zero taken in the aftermath of 9/11, I can see parts of the remnants of the central cores of both Twin Towers visible in some of the images. If a nuke had been detonated to knock out the ground level support for the twins, I’d expect to see a big crater there, and none of the central core.

    How much gold?

    Image: PBS

    Nobody knows.

    He said the operation began on Oct. 16, 2001 and lasted for two days. DePrisco reminisces about the moment he walked into the vault. He said, “It was like a scene out of [the James Bond movie] Goldfinger . . . endless neat stacks of gold, silver and platinum bars—a half-billion dollars worth.”

    Goldfinger theme sung by Shirley Bassey
    Composed by John Barry, lyrics by Leslie Bricusse and Anthony Newley

    Follow the gold, but watch out for Pussy Galore.

  274. tac says:
    @Mulegino1

    I disagree slightly; and have not seen any convincing evidence of nuclear explosives.

    What is apparent is that WTC7 was a controlled demolition with all supporting structures being cut at the bottom of the building, hence the top horizontal roof line always visible on its downward trajectory collapse–a normal structural demolition. In that collapse there was plenty of mangled steel, facade elements etc left–and NO outward lateral explosions visible that were apparent in WTC1 & WTC2.

    Now in both WTC1 and WTC2 the collapse was initiated where the planes hit and then taking place in a continuous downward path. The destruction, with massive lateral ejections, pulverization of material and human beings all made possible because of sequential cuts using nano-thermite and subsequent bombs (quasi nuclear or military grade conventional whatever they may be but they had to be placed on each corner section support of the tower)–at each floor quadrant-section being set off with automatic charges. Thus the gradual downward nano-thermite cuts, charges being detonated and subsequent pulverization of all material laterally in order to clear the upcoming lower sections for this exact same process all the way down to the bottom. Yes, there were also bombs set off in the underground portion in order to soften up and create a crater for the downward–as opposed to the lateral expulsion–material

    I reject the theory that there were nuclear bombs set off in the lower sections and somehow traveled via empty elevator shafts all the way to the top to make the building fall. Perhaps the conventional blast from the underground would explain the burns some suffered–on the LOWER floors–of the building. No way can a nuclear blast travel upward via elevator shaft without first dissipation much of its energy through the section below its blast, but more importantly without causing major damage from the lower floors proceeding upwards–NONE OF THIS SUCH HYPOTHESIS IS SUBSTANTIATED BY THE VISIBLE VIDEO AT HAND! There is no destruction flow going UPWARDS from the lower section of the WTC1 nor WTC2. In fact, quite the opposite: top-down with lateral ejections to clear the way for lower floors.

  275. tac says:

    Slow motion collapse of WTC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=hTlRhz4eGVM

    The New Pearl Harbor — Best 911 Documentary – Full Movie:

    ZERO HOUR BEST 9 11 DOCUMENTARY EVER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU961SGps8g&feature=youtu.be

  276. tac says:

    One of the better sites that I’ve posted on here last year with tons of material although one would need to actually research such material is here:
    http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html

    The evidence for the Pentagon destruction:
    http://911speakout.org/wayne-coste/

    Israel did it:
    https://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2010/09/israel-did-9-11-all-proof-in-world.html

    • Agree: Robjil
  277. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    People are instantly shot dead for making unauthorised approaches to this “imaginary” border. See, that is the difference between Palestinians and Truthers. They risk their life, you think up reasons to do more talking and make puerile puns. Pretty obvious which group is sincere and willing to go beyond words to become worthy of being taken seriously by their enemies, and which is not willing to do anything and this is a source of amusement.

    Barrett may not be hiding behind a pseudonym, but just calling someone a mass murder as is being done with Silverstein here is a million times less convincing than doing something practical. You don’t have to burn yourself alive like a Buddhist monk, it could be something like showing up in person with a placard outside their place of business or residence. But that isn’t happening because no one really believes, not a single one.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  278. tac says:

    Found this on another site. Very interesting info:

    Unseen 9/11 photos bought at house clearance sale

    “Archivists who bought a stash of CDs at a house clearance sale found 2,400 photos of Ground Zero in New York taken following the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

    They appear to have been taken by an as yet unidentified construction worker who helped to clear up the wreckage of the World Trade Center towers and surrounding area.

    The CDs were in poor condition but the data was ultimately retrievable.

    The archivists have uploaded the photos to Flickr.

    The digital albums include images of Ground Zero itself taken both at ground level and from above, construction staff at work and the damaged interiors of the blocks surrounding the towers.”

    http://911blogger.com/news/2019-06-20/unseen-911-photos-bought-house-clearance-sale

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/albums/72157708997281912/with/48028466413/

    or Archived linked to the photos (saved):

    https://archive.org/details/2001101520011018101701PmWorkProgress1191907Img48033239053O

  279. Tony Ryals says: • Website

    Kevin Barrett,if I were associated with Gordon Duff and Veterans Today or promoting one of the three in one pervert religions Judeo-Christian-Moslem I certainly wouldn’t be attacking and moralizing or preaching to the atheists or agnostics – who are reading your blog soley for its posssible info or insight into Epstein or 9/11 etc. – not for a religious sermon !

    I might ask you as a religionist do you really believe yourself do you just lie about your mythological god for the fun of it ? Actually I see no lies when you stick to the 9/11 facts as you know them but when you get into religion I might as well be listening to a fucked up Jewish or Islamic or Christian fundie ! As for Duff,I’d renounce him as a money launderer and friend of and to financial and war criminals before I decided to moralize or ‘religionize’ to others.Duff even began an attack on Christopher Bollyn who has certainly taught me a lot more about 9/11 and a lot earlier than you and particularly the lieing Gordon Duff (who I believes knows penny stock fraudster Bud Burrell who threatened my life),ever did.

    And Duff told me CIA James Woolsey was a close friend of his ! And James Woolsey was one of the biggest 9/11 liars and promoters of the invasion of Iraq and was on Fox spreading lies about ‘ Al Qaeda did it’ on the very day 9/11 occured ! Also Woolsey is a CIA stock fraud money launderer as I suspect Duff is ! And if Al Qaeda did do it then CIA Woolsey et.al. would still be guilty of 9/11 for having created them and still funding them !

    And who but the most corrupt and perverse amongst us such as Veterans Today’s Gordon Duff would try and lie us into mass bombing and terrorizing of peace loving and in many ways secular Libya and in the vicious murder by knifing in the anus of its leader Moamar Gadafi (who cared more for his people than W Bush or Obama or Hillary Clinton or Trump cares for us) based upon Duff’s absurd lie that Israel didn’t want us to attack Libya ! ? And it was your Gordon Duff and Veterans Today that told us we should support U.S. atrocities in Libya because Israel was Gadafi’s allie ! Don’t you fucking remember !? Are you happy also like Gordon Duff now that Gadaffi is dead and Islamic terrorists controlled or manipulated by the ‘west’ or Israel or Turkey or UAE etc. now rule Libya in his place and more secular Libyans have to live in fear ? Just as in Iraq under Saddam’s more secular rule women in Gadafi’s Libya could walk the streets without chadors and Christians like Tariq Aziz were represented in government and protected.Not anymore .So don’t preach to us about religion ! I blame Jews,Moslems and U.S. fundie Christians for the destruction of Christians and the Aramaic language in Iraq and Syria more than I do atheists or agnostics or true secularists.And the destrucytion of Libya and mass starvation and poverty pushing desperate migrants to Europe inn unending waves.

    • Replies: @tac
  280. Sean says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Squeaky Fromme could have killed the president if the gun had been loaded, a female copycat came very close soon after. Immediately after the event it was openly being said that the CIA and LBJ had been behind the JFK assassination. Is there something about becomeing a JFK assassination conspiracy believer that results in inability to operate firearms, or does it cause testicular atrophy to the extent that one has less balls than Squeaky Fromme?

    The civilian Armalite is 50 years old. If the accusration were taken seriously by even the tiniest fraction of conspiracy theorists, the head of the CIA would have been very soon dead at the hands of someone who decided to play Wyatt Earp or one of a queue of others if he had missed. All that is needed is bullets and balls. Oh, and you have to actually believe of course.

  281. tac says:
    @Tony Ryals

    Both Gordon Duff and Ian Greenhalgh (of ‘Veterans Today’) are disinfo agents (I am not sure why Kevin Barrett til this days considers them credible!). On Kevin’s weekly program–whether HE [Kevin Barrett]
    pays attention to this feed back or not is that he’ll have to answer for both: Duff and Greenhalgh because they both NEVER criticize the Israeli Mossad (albeit some tangential attempts, nonetheless they always get scorched in the comments sections, because the people are onto these JEW traitor shills….how bout Kevin, will you deny these Israeli agents any further?)–only to make myriad of excuses for them. That fact alone, means these JEW shills are traitors to both their nations: US and UK.

  282. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Thanks for that clarification.

    There were exactly two sentences in my post. Did you just fail to see the second sentence beginning with “But seriously,…”?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  283. @Kevin Barrett

    Okay then a lease with conditions attached, but still a lease. A purchaser would assume the legal burden of such things as asbestos and other issues so I think it’s safe to assume that Lucky Larry knows the difference between a lease and a purchase even if you are a little murky on the matter.

    When discussing 9/11 inaccuracies are not helpful and can actually be quite harmful.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Wizard of Oz
  284. Junior says:
    @Iris

    So according to you, a reflection pool that doesn’t entirely submerse the whole area that a blast would encompass, in the same way that a reactor is entirely submersed in water, is blocking any further radiation from being detectable. And there’s enough radiation that leaked through the cracks to cause 10,000 people to get cancer from it but the amount of radiation needed to give 10,000 people cancer isn’t enough to be detectable with a Geiger counter. Seems legit.

    I for my part am a real person with a real background in physics.

    And I for my part am a real person with a real background in detecting bullshit and you are full of it.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Iris
  285. [Spamming multiple threads with long, duplicated comments is very bad behavior and can draw serious consequences, such as getting most of your other comments trashed.]

    • Replies: @Tony Ryals
  286. @Just another serf

    My remark was meant only as a further clarification, not as criticism. I understood your satire. Regards.

    • Agree: Just another serf
  287. tibidi says:

    Much links between Epstein and 9/11 … But I prefer a comparison between Epstein’s death and JFK’s death.
    A fake autopsy , fake rapport, fake body (of policeman Tippitt for JFK) fake forensics …
    Epstein was eliminated (or will be) … Too dangerous for the Mossad.

  288. Robjil says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I agree. The Zion vortex for the past hundred is beyond words.

    I was just looking at the vortex also.

    We agree that Zion vortex is the most destructive force in world history.

    This Zion vortex consumes everything its way.

    No other vortex in human history ever acted this way.

    Humans have to figure how to get out this Zion vortex for humanity and the earth to survive.

  289. Miro23 says:
    @Junior

    How do you explain those persistent very high temperatures under the rubble? Genuine question.

    • Replies: @Junior
  290. @Sean

    It is said that Ehud Barak is the first person to call for the US to invade Afghanistan after 9/11 and he has been called “the architect of 9/11 “.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  291. onebornfree says: • Website

    This “just” in:

    All of the original [5 channels] US MSM “live”broadcasts on the morning of 9/11 [102 mins. ] were/are 100% fake “live” broadcasts, including all depictions of the 2nd plane hit [fl. 175], and all depictions of the destruction of WTC 1 and 2, and later, of WTC 7:

    And most , if not all of the claimed 3000 odd victims appear to be fakes too:

    Regards,onebornfree

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  292. @DaveE

    You consider that Jesus was a Messiah, believe that he was sacrificed as a scapegoat, call him Chist, accept the idea of him being a redeemer, who carried the sins of men, and at the same time reckon, that the OT is a pack of garbage that needs to be thrown into fire.

    But without the OT all the aforementioned ideas and believes wouldn’t exist. The teaching of the NT makes no sense, except if it’s connected to the OT premises.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @lysias
  293. ananymous says:

    Trump is a zionist controlled FOOL, according to Iranians:

  294. Amanda says:
    @Sparkon

    Thanks for posting that video. Yes, there was definitely something strange about some of the video footage we were shown that day. I’ve seen people comment about the fact that some of the footage seems to have a very grainy, hazy, strangely colored sky that doesn’t seem to match other footage showing a clear, sunny day.

    More on the video fakery angle is here:
    September Clues

    Jack Mullen, On the Mockeries of America’s New Pearl Harbor 9/11 (includes short video that looks at video fakery idea, CGI)
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/05/jack-mullen-on-the-mockeries-of-americas-new-pearl-harbor-9-11/

  295. Rurik says:
    @Durruti

    You insist that Casino (Yahweh) Trump kept us out of wars – that Killery Clinton (the wife of the husband & former ‘Pres’ in a blue dress) would have gotten us in. Your cover is that you admit Casino (Yahweh) Trump is somewhat tarnished, “for all of Trump’s very real disappointments” – but that he is better than.

    Yes, that is my contention.

    That Trump, for all his egregious faults, has kept us out of new wars that the war hag would have plunged us into, including a war with Iran, bombing of Syria, a ‘Gadhafi’/ Saddam’ /Milosevic’ treatment for Assad, and likely a war with Russia.

    That is based on everything I can cypher from reading between our ZUSA geopolitical tea leaves, and everything I know about Hillary – The cackling war bitch.

    I imagine you are pumping for electoral support to Casino Trump in 2020.

    I have publically stated my support for Tulsi Gabbard often.

    I know she will open the borders and increase Affirmative Action and demand reparations and give all the illegals free everything. I get that. She’ll also cave to the neocons and MIC and the wars will continue unabated. I’m not that naïve. But at the end of the day, it’s not about her, (or Trump), rather it’s about us. And for the American people to be able to sleep at night with a sound conscience, we need to give our support to the anti-war voice.

    Just like we did with presidents Wilson, and FDR and JFK and Nixon and (I’m not a nation builder) Bush the lessor, and Obama and Trump.

    The American people always vote for the no-war candidate, (and thereby keep our souls intact), but we’re always betrayed by the forces of Zion, and we always get wars to benefit Jewish supremacists.

    With Tulsi it will be no different, but at least we won’t be sanctioning the evil of these wars with our vote/voice. Which yes, does mean something. Even if it has zero impact on actual policy, what it does do is allow the American people to say ‘fuck no! to evil wars. Just that, is reason enough to vote our conscience. And participate in an admittedly rigged system. But it isn’t about the system in the voting booth. Rather it’s about us. And having this infinitesimally small voice. It’s still our small way of saying ‘No!’ to evil wars based on lies that get our young people killed or spiritually shattered, as they’re expected to slaughter innocent people to benefit America’s worst enemy.

    When we vote, we’re able to say ‘We reject the evil and madness of Eternal Wars for Israel’.

    1. For the last 3 Decades, the Maxwells, Epstein, MOSSAD, and their puppet CIA, have Operated the American Government. They, and their underling Governors and Knesset Congress, have decided on every major policy and financial action. The Hollywood Executive & the TV Rerun Legislature are mere actors. And you and others enjoy the Show, and fail to see the Reality.

    Not just the last three decades. The absolute corruption of the US government happened almost one hundred years ago, on Christmas eve 1913. That was the day that Woodrow Wilson handed the keys of the US Treasury over to the International Jewish supremacist Bolsheviks/Zionists.

    America’s participation in both World Wars were a direct consequence of that civilization-ending treason and betrayal.

    The slavish servility to all things Jewish supremacist since that date were written in stone, once they had the power to print our money, and loan it to us at interest.


    ‘You control the debt you control everything…

    the very essence of the banking industry, to make us all, whether we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt.’

    And if ((you)) tell your slaves to go to war, is a slave in a position to refuse?

    Next year, your Casino Trump, or any other Puppet, will recognize the Eretz Israel sovereignty over the entire Planet – if he/she is directed to do so.

    But Hillary would have put the interests of the USA first?

    Elections only work in Democratic Republics,

    Ok, I can not say this enough. For all you guys suffering from TDS, the 2016 election, did, at least as far as I can tell, get Trump elected in a surprise upset over the war hag.

    And so far, Trump has not started any new wars, (in spite of (((MASSIVE))) pressure to do so.

    Just the other day I listened to William Kristol saying he needs to be replaced, in spite of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights and a thousand other acts of slavish fealty to all things Zion. It isn’t enough! They demand a war on Iran.

    But that’s not all.

    There’s more, and it’s personal.

    Ever since Waco I’ve had a special place for the Clintons- who burned those people alive out of spite.

    Since then, that gorgon has gone on to prove that she’s the premiere agent of war and Zionism and an unhinged hatred of all things Heritage America. If she could, I’m utterly convinced that she’d round up every single straight, Christian, conservative, white male of European extraction, and have us all castrated and then burned alive. Starting with Bill first and then Vlad Putin, and then the rest of us.

    If that sounds a bit hyperbolic, it isn’t intended to.

    Her ambition and lust for power could split atoms. Just watching her unravel at having been SO CLOSE to power, was as satisfying as anything could get for me. And it continues to pay dividends, every time I see her.

    It’s personal. I suppose like some of you feel about Trump. It’s personal.

    Just the fact that I don’t have to hear that cackling hag’s voice coming from the oval office or press conferences or seeing her constantly on the screens, being worshiped like a goddess by the (((beyond sycophantic press))), is a relief that I suppose many of you can’t even begin to comprehend, being as her voice isn’t like a cat of nine tails flaying at your bones. (like it is for me ; )

    ‘Madam President Clinton, did you ever think you’d be hailed as the world’s greatest statesperson of the last two centuries by Time Magazine and The Economist and the NYT and every other single outlet of news and information from the length an breath of the Western world’s media?’

    ‘And all because of your heroic decision to save the Western world by nuking Iran and bombing Lebanon and Damascus, in your secret coalition with England and France and Ukraine.’

    ‘The world stands in awe of you, president Clinton. We await your orders on what to do about the rogue regime in Moscow, who has threated global stability and menaces us all with his Nazi-like rhetoric.’

    You guys simply have no idea the size of the bullet we dodged, when the American voter held his nose, and pulled the lever for the amoral egotist. Whose voice isn’t like acid dripping on your soul.

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @annamaria
  296. @The Dark Night

    Both the NT and Qur’an radically revise the tribal, materialist, amoral/unethical OT to make it universal, spiritual, and moral/ethical.

    Guyénot’s From Yahweh to Zion critiques the unrevised “Jewish” reading of the OT: https://www.amazon.com/Yahweh-Zion-Jealous-Promised-Civilizations/dp/0996143041/ref=sr_1_1

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @The Dark Night
  297. Rurik says:
    @Stonehands

    Godless and communist are symbiotic.

    but doesn’t your God have a specific name?

    And aren’t all those who believe in a different God doomed to eternal flames?

    The author of this article seems to imply that all that’s necessary is a belief in one of the Gods who reign in the Abrahamic traditions, but aren’t those who reject Jesus as their savior, doomed?

    In any case Stonehands, if the Christian preachers and ministers and priests sounded more like you, when they preached the gospel, I suppose I myself would be far more sympathetic to the themes of Christianity, than how I feel about it today, with all the mainstream preachers calling for a renewed respect for our ‘Judeo-Christian’ values of tolerance for homos and wars in the Holy Land.

    Or the Poop, calling for the genocide of Europa, (Christendom). And exhorted to open its gates to unlimited armies of Muslims to descend upon the center of Europe and transform her for eternity.

    The Poop is thrilled about the Muslims in Sweden and England and France.

    Would you (or anyone else) actually expect a self-respecting Westerner to consider such a Pope as anything more than a stinking pile of poop?

  298. Rurik says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    radically revise the tribal, materialist, amoral/unethical OT

    Did you get permission from the adherents of the Torah?

    Isn’t that the tragic rift in Islam, that some of its adherents revised some things, and didn’t get permission from the other adherents?

    I admit to being unlettered in the minutia of theology, but I do wonder if Jews are on board with your Muslim and Christian authority to revise the Tanach, Talmud, Midrash and Pentateuch, without their express permission.

  299. Durruti says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    It is said that Ehud Barak is the first person to call for the US to invade Afghanistan after 9/11 and he has been called “the architect of 9/11 “.

    Former Prime Minister of the Zionist Entity, Ehud Barak also has the (photographed) link to Epstein’s NYC “Pleasure Palace,” as well as to the Puppet American SHADOW GOVERNMENT.

    As a commenter wrote: “connect the dots.”

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  300. Durruti says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik: Thanks for engaging this commentator in a serious and important discussion. I appreciate your time, effort & sincerity.

    I will attempt to respond – to your major points.

    1.

    That Trump, for all his egregious faults, has kept us out of new wars that the war hag would have plunged us into, including a war with Iran, bombing of Syria, a ‘Gadhafi’/ Saddam’ /Milosevic’ treatment for Assad, and likely a war with Russia.

    Has “he” kept us out of wars? America has 700+ military bases in other people’s countries. American taxpayers & soldiers & private contracter-terrorists are (as we speak) engaged in war in.

    1. Afghanistan, 2. Syria (Casino trump has sent 5,000+ new Soldiers into Syria). 3. Yemen
    4. Ukraine, 5. Continues to occupy Iraq-despite their government repeatedly requesting the US to withdraw its Troops. 6. Sending $Billions for Armaments to the Zionist Entity $35Billion this year-alone). 7. A host of small wars 8. Half the American Budget is for Military & Secret Agencies.

    With Tulsi it will be no different, but at least we won’t be sanctioning the evil of these wars with our vote/voice. Which yes, does mean something. Even if it has zero impact on actual policy

    Hello! Did you actually write this? “Vote for Agent Tulsi, “Even if it has zero impact on actual policy”

    But Hillary would have put the interests of the USA first?

    Huh? Are you implying I support Killery Clinton?

    For all you guys suffering from TDS,

    Hmm! Is TDS anything like PMS?

    You guys simply have no idea the size of the bullet we dodged, when the American voter held his nose, and pulled the lever for the amoral egotist.

    We have dodged no bullets. They are flying in record numbers – wherever the Rothschild and other Zionist Financial Oligarchs wish to control.

    The war against Syria is in full swing, and the war against Lebanon is heating up, and the war against Yemen, and Venezuela, and the continued destruction of our Own Nation, our own People. The economy, jobs, industry. do i need a verb?

    There is no road to Sovereignty, to Honor, to the Restoration of our American Republic, by pulling a controlled “lever for the amoral egotist” or for Agent/Puppet – insert name here………………….

    We lost the remnants of our Liberty and our last Constitutional president, John F. Kennedy, through the Zionist Terror of November 22, 1963.

    There is no easy way out of the mess, the Horror of the Zionist New World Order.

    Freedom is not Free. We will have to Pay for it!

    • Agree: tac
    • Replies: @Rurik
  301. Iris says:
    @Junior

    And there’s enough radiation that leaked through the cracks to cause 10,000 people to get cancer from it but the amount of radiation needed to give 10,000 people cancer isn’t enough to be detectable with a Geiger counter.

    Not sure what was unclear in this explanation.

    Radioactive decay is ruled by a relatively simple equation: the number of particles emitted decreases as exponential decay of time (t) multiplied by a constant λ (lambda) specific to the considered nuclei (uranium for instance):

    Radioactive decay law: N (t)= N0.exp(-λt)

    Radioactivity at the WTC was maximum at time=0, just after the explosions, which is why the first responders were the ones most exposed and developed so all sorts of cancers, including the very unusual male breast cancer . Many testified seeing “officials” dressed in radiation suits in the aftermath; these “officials” obviously knew something the public didn’t.

    During the weeks and months following the explosions, radioactivity would have decayed, especially as the cracks in the ground were being filled in and cemented. The Bath Tub’s walls and base had to be re-concreted, because they cracked after the powerful nuclear explosions.

    It may surprise you, but it is a well known fact that underground nuclear explosions contain relatively well radioactivity. Here is an official US Congress document boasting how harmless underground nuclear explosions are:

    If the same person had been standing at the boundary of the Nevada [underground nuclear] Test Site in the area of maximum concentration of radioactivity for every test since Baneberry (1970), that person’s total exposure would be equivalent to 32 extra minutes of normal background exposure (or the equivalent of 1/1000 of a single chest x-ray).

    https://ota.fas.org/reports/8909.pdf

    Finally, you are very wrong regarding the alleged absence of radioactivity at the WTC in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy

    Below is an academic research paper published in 2002, reporting abnormally elevated levels of highly radioactive tritiated water at the WTC in the aftermath of the attack, without any plausible explanation being provided as per the origin of this radioactivity.

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4xq88667

    • Replies: @Junior
    , @tac
  302. Tony Ryals says: • Website
    @Tony Ryals

    In regards to this accusation of ‘spamming’ I do confess to having posted this material on Gilad Atzmon’s site first regarding Jeffrey Epstein’s brother Mark Epstein and his apparent connections to hosting Ehud Barak and his Israeli goons-bodyguards that disturbed the tenants at Eptsein’s East 66th Street building that like Jeffrey’s mansion in NYC was also bequeathed toJeffrey Epstein’s brother Mark by Les Wexler. To my knowledge Mark Epstein has not even been mentioned in this comments section and to me it is absurd to title an article with Jeffrey Epstein’s name in it and not even mention Mark Epstein ! Am I wrong ?

    [MORE]

    It was Mark’s building that housed both the underage girls from foreign countries who lacked visas as well as the French Israeli Jean Luc Brunel who recently went missing when French investigators sought to ask him questions regarding Jeffrey,where Ehud Barak often ‘crashed’ during his stays in NY.Because Brunel’s ‘modeling agancy’ was also in Tel Aviv he is probably Jewish and because Ehud Barak who likes to dress in drag when he murders Palestinians also frequented East 66th Street building it is quite possible Barak knows Brunel as well.After all Brunel ran his and Jeffrey Epsteins MC2 ‘modeling’ agency out of Mark’`s building with underage girls often lacking visas at times Ehud Barak and his merry men were ‘crashing’ there and his Israeli bodyguards disturbing residents in the lobby.Maybe their paths have crossed in that building or in Tel Aviv or Paris where Jeffrey also had a house as well.

    Israeli-American U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff of California mentioned below as a fellow traveller with Mark Epstein to the UAE also heads the house ingtelligence committee and has used his position to try and push draconian anti-American ‘anti-terrorism’ laws and to block our former Constitutional rights to free speech.In associating himself with Mark Epstein he is also supporting
    the trafficking of underage foreign girls lacking visas in the U.S. just like Ehud Barak and ,Les Wexner who gifted the East 66th Street house to Mark and Jeffrey in the first place.And let’s not forget Trump is also associated with sleazy and questionable modeling agencies to and has encouraged his young female employees to lie on their visa applications.
    Also Ehud Barak’s Israeli spy company in the guise of a 911 emergency service called Carbyne 911 was invested in by both Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexler and Sergey Brin’s Google is aiding and abetting it.In my opinion Google is no invention of Brin’s but stolen from U.S. taxpayers whose money funded it through the CIA,NSA,etc.And now it censors all criticism.I know because I do a lot of word,name and company associations that no one else does and Google still censors them.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/07/jeffery-mark-epstein-democratic-representatives/

    Democratic representatives Adam Schiff, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Maxine Waters are just three elected officials who sit on the congressional advisory board of a foreign policy think-tank led by Jeffrey Epstein’s brother, Mark Epstein……

    Co-founded by socialite heiress Constance Milstein in 1988, the Humpty Dumpty Institute works closely with the United Nations, the State Department, and “various countries” to “put the pieces back together” in parts of the world ridden with conflict…….

    Mark Epstein has played a significant role in this mission. According to the organization’s website, Jeffrey Epstein’s brother serves as Humpty Dumpy’s vice chairman, and has represented the group abroad on delegations alongside members of Congress and U.N. dignitaries…….

    When reached for comment about how he came to be involved with the the Humpty Dumpty Institute, Epstein told The Daily Caller, “You guys ask the most stupid questions. ……

    • Replies: @annamaria
  303. @Sean

    /People are instantly shot dead for making unauthorised approaches to this “imaginary” border./

    And, as neither the UN nor Israel have authorized any fixed borders, that would make it less a border than a front line.

    Which is rather evident in that “people are instantly shot dead” for approaching it.

    Thank you for that tacit admission.

    /you think up reasons to do more talking and make puerile puns./

    Says the man who revels in scatological Jewish humor.

    Oh, the irony.

    You may be right that some of us here aren’t convinced of Silverstein’s guilt. You may also be right that those who do believe in it lack the requisite stupidity to put themselves firmly on the radar of law enforcement, intelligence agencies, and zionist bulldogs.

    So what are your reasons for doing so much — or rather, far more — talking than I do about this subject?

    What’s in it for you, aside from the typical schoolyard bully chicken clucks?

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Sean
  304. Rurik says:
    @Durruti

    Thanks for engaging this commentator in a serious and important discussion. I appreciate your time, effort & sincerity.

    I return your sentiments.

    That Trump, for all his egregious faults, has kept us out of new wars that the war hag would have plunged us into,…

    Has “he” kept us out of wars?

    Specifically, I wrote that he has kept us out of *new* wars, that the war hag would have plunged us into.

    Hello! Did you actually write this? “Vote for Agent Tulsi, “Even if it has zero impact on actual policy”

    Yes I did, and I meant it. How many times do I have to say that voting in most elections isn’t going to change anything. But what it does do is give you (and your honor and morality and simple human decency) an opportunity to express your opposition to evil. By saying no to evil, isn’t going to make it go away in the world. But what it does mean is that you, don’t sanction it. You, are saying no to evil. Perhaps as a symbolic gesture, you find that pathetic. But I see it as a way of giving the ‘finger’ to the devil.

    Huh? Are you implying I support Killery Clinton?

    The 2016 election was a zero sum game.

    It was either Trump or Killery. Is that difficult to comprehend?

    If we didn’t elect Trump, then Killery would have been potus.

    Respectfully – duh.

    Is TDS anything like PMS?

    Trump Derangement Syndrome

    The war against Syria is in full swing, and the war against Lebanon is heating up, and the war against Yemen, and Venezuela, and the continued destruction of our Own Nation, our own People. The economy, jobs, industry. do i need a verb?

    ‘Jewed’

    But you’re somewhat in error. The war against Syria is not in full swing. Syria is becoming increasingly stabilized. There is a war againt Yemen, but Trump inherited that. And in spite of massive pressure from the ((deepstate)), we have not invaded Venezuela or anywhere else.

    There is no road to Sovereignty, to Honor, to the Restoration of our American Republic, by pulling a controlled “lever for the amoral egotist” or for Agent/Puppet – insert name here………………….

    Supporting Tusli is not going to restore any American Republic, no. But what it will do is allow us as individuals to protect our honor and decency by at least supporting the candidate whose rhetoric is one of decency and honor.

    There is no easy way out of the mess, the Horror of the Zionist New World Order.

    Freedom is not Free. We will have to Pay for it!

    And this is how you pay for it –

    • Replies: @Durruti
  305. Junior says:
    @Miro23

    Nano-thermite.

    • Replies: @Iris
  306. Iris says:
    @Junior

    Nanothermite is an explosive, not a combustible. It means that it releases an extremely high amount of energy over a very short period of time (seconds), under the form of a blast. And that’s it. It does not burn in a steady fashion.

    What was witnessed at the WTC was a continuous, steady release of thermal energy, at molten steel-temperature, for over 100 days . A combustible that burns steadily over a long period of time was at play.

    Example of combustible that burns without exploding: coal, wood, petrol, nuclear fuel, etc..

  307. Junior says:
    @Iris

    How many of those first responders died as a result of radiation burning? Zero.

    The radiation reading in the bathtub when all the top debris was cleared away and before the cracks were filled in was reading off the charts right? Wrong.

    Everyone’s Geiger counters in the area were reading off the charts immediately after the towers came down, right? Wrong.

    You and your ilk pushing this nuke garbage have no goddamn shame do you? Doesn’t matter to you that your easily disprovable nonsense is putting at risk chances at actual justice for 9/11 victims and their families, hunh? You disgust me and I’m done engaging with you and your bullshit.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Iris
  308. Durruti says:
    @Rurik

    I would not have used this image, as it is a bit disrespectful, and while it pictorally describes your insistance on voting for the so-called ‘lesser’ of 2 evils, I would never insult you like that. But it IS the photo you provided.

    Now, I have a good idea of what you look like (and how you dress). Where I reside, shorts & T Shirts are the daily necessity. Down here, we tend to put our heads up our asses; sorry no pictures of that.

    You conclude.

    Supporting Tusli is not going to restore any American Republic, no. But what it will do is allow us as individuals to protect our honor and decency by at least supporting the candidate whose rhetoric is one of decency and honor.

    Rhetoric is all you require. There is no way out, no escape, from this Zionist imperialist Shadow American Government conundrum, by way of rhetoric, or by participating in CONTROLLED ELECTORAL FARCES. TV Actor, Money Launderer, and Casino Operator (God) Trump won the 2016 Pretend Election because the Rothschild Financial Oligarch Shadow Government of Epstein, Maxwell, Barak, Netenyahoo, and assorted bought or implanted Traitor ‘Legislators’ and Bureaucrats, pronounced him the winner.

    Apparently:

    Killery Clinton had had a physical/mental/nervous breakdown during the so-called contest, and Casino Trump was given the Part.

    The Key Truth:

    We have not had a Constitutional Government since November 22, 1963. Our Gauleters/Governors are chosen by Foreigners. We Americans are an occupied and controlled People.

    If this is the first time you have heard this, I would not expect you to fall in line & understand, and break with a lifetime of brainwashing, a lifetime of mental conditioning, after your first argument. This is the level of debate we must participate in – so that we may learn.

    I sent Unz an article of my analysis, which he refuses to print. This discussion is difficult for him as well. It is difficult for us all. If Liberty was easy, everyone would be Free.

    Limits of Hope:

    If you actually believe in your narrow parameter limits of hope – where you rely on Foreign Controlled Elections as your only hope for the future, kindly understand why I do not agree.

    My Hopes go a bit further. I reach for the Sky, even if my wings should melt.

    After All: I am an Anarchist

    Durruti

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Rurik
  309. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    “Just the other day I listened to William Kristol saying he needs to be replaced, in spite of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights and a thousand other acts of slavish fealty to all things Zion. It isn’t enough! They demand a war on Iran.”

    — Why this warmonger William Kristol is not in a federal prison already? There are Hate Laws that must be applied to this vermin and, by extension, to his family finances-wise. Shameless, amoral, profiteering warmonger, William Kristol has been a cheerleader for the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East. “Never again” indeed.

    Any decent person would have been hiding from the ignominy. But Dershowitz, Epstein, Kristol (and his MSM bosses) do not belong to decent people.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Rurik
  310. annamaria says:
    @Tony Ryals

    “Israeli-American U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff of California mentioned below as a fellow traveler with Mark Epstein to the UAE also heads the House intelligence committee and has used his position to try and push draconian anti-American ‘anti-terrorism’ laws and to block our former Constitutional rights to free speech. In associating himself with Mark Epstein he is also supporting the trafficking of underage foreign girls lacking visas in the U.S. just like Ehud Barak and Les Wexner who gifted the East 66th Street house to Mark and Jeffrey in the first place.”

    —The more public learns about Israel-firsters’ ties to Mossad and the Mossad-related blackmailing, pedophilic rings and other crimes, the greater are chances of healing this country from the deadly infection of organized crime and cancerous growth of zionism.

  311. Iris says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Laurent Guyénot thought that up. I don’t see how otherwise intelligent people would actually buy into it.

    I think is the other way around: Laurent Guyenot brought a logical explanation to an otherwise confusing search for truth.

    Setting aside those who believe the Warren commission’s conclusions, what really happened to President Kennedy? How was he actually murdered and the cover-up organised?

    Once you start answering this question, you overwhelmingly find Israel everywhere. It is known Isreal-firsters who:
    – diverted his destination on short notice to the Trade Mart
    – imposed a dangerous route and made him a sitting duck at Dealy Plaza,
    – owned and secured the main sniper nest from where he was shot (the DalTex building, not the TSBD)
    – planned and filmed the event to impose their forged version of the assassination
    – eliminated the patsy (LHO) before he could talk, murdered by a gangster who, in his own words to his rabbi, “did it for the Jews“.

    Laurent Guyenot’s hypothesis is very credible, and explains why people involved in the plot, whether it is CIA-affiliated individuals (Chauncey Holt, Robert Plummlee), hit man (James Files, Johnny Roselli), or even Oswald himself talked about an “abort mission”, or a “cancelled mission”.

    The CIA cancelled “their” assassination of JFK, but Mossad did not.

    • Agree: Paul C.
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  312. Iris says:
    @Junior

    Doesn’t matter to you that your easily disprovable nonsense is putting at risk chances at actual justice for 9/11 victims and their families, hunh?

    No, it is not, because you and I are two NOBODIES discussing a mere technicality, on an obscure thread, on a fringe website, and this discussion will have ZERO impact.

    Your childish virtue-signalling is noted; your vulgarity is tiresome. Go back to your sand pit.

  313. @annamaria

    Thats what these bolsheviks do, they wreck and kill and destroy, that is what communists aka zionists do!

  314. @Iris

    You find it credible, I find it absurd. That’s enough on the subject for me.

  315. @Iris

    According to French historian Laurent Guyénot’s hypothesis, the CIA’s false flag fake assassination attempt on President John F. Kennedy, designed to be blamed on Cuba, was transformed by Mossad into a real assassination—and the CIA couldn’t expose it due to its own complicity.

    I’ve heard the same double cross suggested for 9/11. Guyenot may have been the source. Bush looked truly lost when told of “the plane” hitting the tower. Maybe he was expecting a “plane” to strike the Pentagon, that being the false flag he was briefed on. It really could explain the apparent U.S. government role in the operation, the Air Force exercises for example. Fool me once….never get fooled again.

    • Replies: @Iris
  316. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    A close analysis of some of the alleged live “amateur on the spot” videos of Fl. 175’s strike on WTC2, revealing the fraudulence of them all:

    September Clues Amateur part 3:

    An analysis/ synched comparison of the original broadcastsof the 5 US MSM stations from 8.52 am to 9.03 am, revealing that Fl.175’s strike time differs by about 3 secs., station to station:

    “Synched Out”:

    Regards, onebornfree

  317. DaveE says:
    @Sorrow Road

    Sorry troll, I won that lawsuit handsomely by a unanimous decision by the Wa. State Supreme Court in my favor. (with one half-dissenting vote by a Jew, like you….)

    It was the biggest employment-law case in the state of Washington since the Whistleblower Act of 1963.

    Google Ellis v. City of Seattle if you are anything more than a paid hasbarist, which I doubt.

    Thanks for your interest, troll. I see you have done your Zionist homework researching “undesirables” like me. But unfortunately for you, things are going quite well. I’m healthy and quite able to defend myself in the coming war with Zion, and getting better all the time.

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @Sorrow Road
  318. DaveE says:
    @Sorrow Road

    BTW, troll, it appears that your tribe has succeeded in getting the Wa. State Supreme Court decision in my case all-but-negated in the search engines.

    If you Google Ellis v. City of Seattle, you get nothing above the Appeals Court decision, which is total BS. You MUST Google: Washington State Supreme Court Ellis v. City of Seattle to get the real story.

    When you do, you get sites like this:

    https://casetext.com/case/ellis-v-city-of-seattle

    I would hate to see you waste your precious Jewish moments on dead-end links, so I hope this helps. Thanks again, troll.

  319. @Kevin Barrett

    I don’t understand what is meant by ‘God is truth’ nor do I see why morality would be impossible in a godless world. “God is truth” sounds like pantheism, only taken up to the level of thoughts rather than things. Godly people and atheists tend to agree on what is right or wrong e.g. both oppose murder, rape, theft, cruelty, slander, and so on. It’s true that without God there would be no guarantee that good will triumph and wickedness succumb, but goodness would still be goodness etc. I respect Islam and religion generally, but I have never seen the appeal of those two claims.

  320. Someone –at MIT– actually paid a price for his part in the Epstein fiasco (as tangential as it was). Yes I know the prison warden lost her job but she is still in the system, just moved somewhere else.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/m-i-t-media-lab-director-resigns-after-criticism-over-n1051116

    “This morning, I asked MIT’s General Counsel to engage a prominent law firm to design and conduct this process. I expect the firm to conduct this review as swiftly as possible, and to report back to me and to the Executive Committee of the MIT Corporation, MIT’s governing board,” Reif continued

    It’s time for AG Barr to do better and give a more complete explanation of how Epstein could be attacked twice in a few weeks time. If he can’t or won’t he should just get out. I would say Trump should can him but that would be pointless wouldn’t it? Congress should move to oust Barr. To think the nerds at “Lawfare” could stick up for this gonif shows you where they are too.

  321. tac says:
    @Iris

    With all do respect and since you insist the nuclear blasts occurred (it may be possible if miniature ones were placed in the WTC buildings above ground level–spaced evenly in order to pulverize the material as the blasts proceeded downwards) at sub levels of the WTC buildings I pose a simple and straight forward question that I hope you answer. What kind of a [quasi]nuclear blast from sub levels fails to destroy, knock down, or even bend the lobby level exoskeleton of the WTCs?:

    Now compare, in the following picture, to what I’ve stated previously that WTC7 (seen here on the left-most portion of the picture with debris piled higher (compared to WTC1) from a normal controlled demolition of a 47 story building vs the right-most picture of 110 story high WTC1 (North Tower) with conspicuously much less debris–almost none existent and no noticeable underground crater damage, not to mention the exoskeleton frame from WTC1 still tethered to the ground almost if it was just undisturbed). What sort of ‘nuclear’ (thermonuclear) blast manages to leave the exoskeleton almost undisturbed? Well, none that is known to me!
    Notice circular dome of WTC2 for reference to the aforementioned picture

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @9/11 Inside job
  322. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    You may also be right that those who do believe in it lack the requisite stupidity to put themselves firmly on the radar of law enforcement, intelligence agencies, and zionist bulldogs.

    I mocked the thesis of Barrett’s article and said Barret does not really believe it himself, and he knew none of his readers would either. Pointing out that absolutely no one takes this Barrett’s kind of writing seriously, is not tantamount to a call for someone to take it seriously enough to commit murder. But the fact remains that no one has.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  323. Iris says:
    @Just another serf

    According to French historian Laurent Guyénot’s hypothesis, the CIA’s false flag fake assassination attempt on President John F. Kennedy, designed to be blamed on Cuba, was transformed by Mossad into a real assassination—and the CIA couldn’t expose it due to its own complicity.

    Hello;

    There are far too many mentions of a fake false flag attack on JFK, turned into a real assassination, to ignore the possibility.

    This is an extract from a recent, amazing book that Dr Barrett has advertised on his broadcast: “The Inheritance – Poisoned Fruit of the JFK’s assassination”.

    The extract is a 1997 dialogue that took place between Secret Service Agent Robert Bouck, head of the Protective Research Section for the White House since WW2 and a trusted collaborator of the Kennedy brothers, and the book’s author Christopher Fulton, while paying respect to the President’s grave at Arlington:

    As we walked away from Kennedy’s grave, Bouck turned his eyes to the horizon:

    ” Dallas’s mayor, Earle Cabell, and sheriff Bill Decker were both CIA assets. They told the Dallas police to stand down from the protection of President Kennedy by order of the Secret Service. At the same time, several key men in the President’s Secret Service detail were told that there would be a test of the President’s security in Dallas, and that there could be a staged event that would lead to the door of the pro-Castro Cubans, and to stand down. The men following that order thought they were doing the right thing for their country. It’s how the loyal Secret Service men were made part of the plan and played a role in the assassination. I remember debriefing a CIA man who had been sent to Dallas to abort the false flag assassination attempt: he was shocked and horrified when he saw the President shot in the head.”

    “So who turned the false flag into the real assassination?” I asked.
    Bouck looked at me; “Lyndon Johnson“.

    Lyndon Johnson’s career was finished, he was weakened and about to be indicted for corruption. His strength and ability to execute a successful Coup d’Etat in the most powerful country of the world did not come from his official position, but from his ethnical and ideological affiliation.
    Lyndon Johnson’s was “America’s first Jewish President”.

    https://azjewishlife.com/something-you-might-not-know-a-jewish-u-s-president/

  324. GoyI(A)m says:
    @nsa

    Speaking of converts, jews are khazar converts. As semitic as a steamy pile of manure. (An insult to manure, but nonetheless)

  325. Iris says:
    @tac

    What sort of ‘nuclear’ (thermonuclear) blast manages to leave the exoskeleton almost undisturbed? Well, none that is known to me!

    Hello Tac;

    Thanks for your reply and for bringing up this very intelligent point.

    I hope I understand correctly what you meant: there was indeed much more rubble left of the 47-storey WTC7 building, than there was left of the 110-storey WTC1.

    This is a very relevant engineering point, extremely surprising, that should have raised questions. The reason is as follows: WTC7 was built onto the Con Edison power substation, which footprint differs from that of the WTC7.

    WTC7 had a larger footprint than its actual foundation, as shown in the sketch below. Up to the 7th floor, the columns had no structural role, and could rather be seen as “hanging” from the upper part of the building instead of supporting it.

    As a consequence, the blast (pressure shockwave) from the explosion of an underground thermonuclear charge would have been transmitted through the building’s real core, and NOT through its footprint. Which explains why only the columns not directly connected to the core survived the explosion, while all the rest of WTC7 was turned into dust.

    The preservation of WTC7 columns not part of the structural core , at the exclusion of any other part of the building, is a blatant evidence of an underground explosion that took the core down.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @tac
  326. @tac

    At WTCdemolition.blogpost.com “The anonymous physicist ” posits a number of different ways “nukes “and “clean nukes ” could have been used throughout the buildings and not just the basements to demolish the Twin Towers and the other buildings which comprised the World Trade Center complex . It appears to be a well – reasoned article and perhaps answers the questions that you have raised .

    • Replies: @Sean
  327. Sean says:
    @Skeptikal

    Barrett says Larry Silverstein is on tape confessing to ordering the demolition of WTC towers on 9/11 .

    Cuo bono?

    Very well let us assume he did it and see what his thinking would have been with an eye to pros and cons for him and his family.. Before agreeing to participate Larry would have had a fews things to consider. First he had a very substantial financial interest in the buildings that would necessarily made him stick out like a sore thumb in the aftermath, so even if he knew it would be officially pinned on the patsy Osama, and nothing could ever proved by conspiracy theorists he would have to had to have been aware beforehand that he would be named as the culprit and there were going to be people who would correctly see him as a mass murderer (we are assuming this as a thought experiment remember)

    It seems to me it would be obvious to Silverstein-considering-whether-to do-9/11 that he might as well sign his own death warrant (and that of his children) as stay in the country after afterwards. Yet Silverstein’s behavior in the aftermath was ostentatious. and not at all that of a guilty man. He double dipped the damages and ended up getting over four billion, double the maximum allowable for a single attack by his insurance policy by suing the company for $7.1 billion on the grounds there were two separate attacks on 9/11. But he appealed for the original 7 billion he had sued for and lost. It was very uncertain and he could have had things go the other way. Don’t forget the insurance payout freeze imposed by the government in the immediate aftermath.

    “why can’t ‘the new Pearl Harbor’ be MY buildings, so I can make a killing on insurance???

    The unsual procedure to torch a commercial building with occupants like a hotel ect is to close the premises for renovation work and them light it off at night when it is empty and blame the fire on workers leaving a heater on. There is no law that says insurance companies have to pay anything; if they think there is a scam they won’t. If you kill someone in an insurance fraud it will get the police involved and they’ll usually instinctively know you did it and probabally get you.

    It is possible that Silverstein is a reckless sort of fellow, but as far as I know there is no evidence of him ever displaying that in a long business career: he is not a serial insurance claimant. Nor is he particularly pro Israel. He strikes me as someone who prefers to play a lot safer than a very uncertain gambit such as 9/11 would require. Furthermore Silverstein could hardly have taken the cash and left the country without raising absolutely everyone’s suspicion. He ended up with a valuable asset and kudos for his role in the re development, but he had not way to know someone less willing to accept the official version might take it on themselves to assassinate him.

    Lastly, let us suppose, for the sake of argument that Mossad used Silverstein or any Jewish American to do 9/11, they would absolutely have to kill him afterwards as a security measure. They could not afford to have him interrogated and maybe break, or suffer an attack of conscience in his senile old age. . Silverstein would have been committing suicide to be in on 9/11. So would anyone. Just like Goodfellas: did a great job, but now they are just a liability. so the wheels start turning as to what measures can be taken.

    The film Executive Action was the same, the head of the JFK operation suffered a ‘heart attack’. Only a complete idiot would expect anything different, and Silverstein is no idiot.

    Also, since I own the territory, I can offer *operational support on the ground!”

    Keep It Simple Stupid. The real deal planners of anything remotely as complex as 9/11 would not introduce additional elements into the operation by combining it with an insurance fraud. Too obvious that the claimant was in on it, and he could be made to talk officially or otherwise. If money was to be made it would be via stock market coup, which they could make far more on and would be difficult to connect to any one person.

  328. Sean says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Good idea for the forthcoming Pearl Harbour 3. Yes, a nuclear weapon to destroy the new WTC1 and blame it on Iran. It would be a dirty nuke tuned so as to resemble a clunky Iranian lash up. Nuclear weapons could then be used on Iran in retaliation, which would be very cost effective.

  329. lysias says:
    @The Dark Night

    Augustine overcame his doubts and accepted Christianity after Ambrose convinced him that the Old Testament could and should be interpreted allegorically, not literally.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  330. @Kevin Barrett

    Nope.

    Though it was not the point, but I can comment on this as well: “But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.” — Matthew 15:26

  331. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    while all the rest of WTC7 was turned into dust.

    No it wasn’t.

    Ground-level and overhead images all show that most of Bldg. 7 was dropped into its own footprint, not turned to dust as you ignorantly claim.

    Additionally, you did not address any of tac’s relevant points about the Twin Towers.

    WTC7, looking south, down W. Broadway.

    I say most, as it turns out, there was significant collateral damage to adjacent structures and neighboring property during the demolition of Bldg. 7.

    Fiterman Hall

    When 7 WTC collapsed, debris caused substantial damage and contamination to the Borough of Manhattan Community College’s Fiterman Hall building, located adjacent at 30 West Broadway, to the extent that the building was not salvageable. A revised plan called for demolition in 2009 and completion of the new Fiterman Hall in 2012, at a cost of $325 million. The adjacent Verizon Building, an art deco building constructed in 1926, had extensive damage to its east facade from the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, though it was able to be restored at a cost of US$1.4 billion.

    $1.7 billion to repair or rebuild adjacent buildings severely damaged during demolition of Bldg. 7, and the cash register just kept on ringing.

    Who knew dust could cause so much damage?

  332. There is a little-noticed similarity between Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Both men cultivated scientists on a grand scale.

    Maxwell’s Pergamon Press published the papers and books of Russian and Eastern Bloc scientists. He did this with the acknowledged support of USSR leaders and with KGB knowledge. The documentary Robert Maxwell – The Downfall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FVocA9ggT4) tells us that this cultivation of scientists began in 1949, when Britain’s MI6 funded Maxwell to set up a bookshop for this purpose. It was this aspect of his activity which was deemed “useful” by intelligence agencies on both sides of the Cold War. No doubt these activities were seen in the same way by Israel.

    Maxwell’s frauds, thefts, and sexual peccadilloes, were likely seen as his own business by all intelligence agencies, and turning a blind eye, or even protecting him, was the price of his usefulness.

    Epstein’s cultivation of scientists is seen as a cover for his sexual activities. Isn’t it more likely that his playboy lifestyle was a cover for the real work he did – cultivating scientists for Western intelligence agencies?

  333. @Sean

    In your estimation , who were ” The real deal planners ” of something “as complex as 9/11 ” ?

    • Replies: @Sean
  334. annamaria says:

    Epsteingate or devouring the US by Israel-firsters:

    [MORE]
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/neocon-billionaire-paul-singer-driving-outsourcing-us-tech-jobs-israel/259147/

    With nearly 6 million Americans unemployed and regular bouts of layoffs in the U.S. tech industry, major American tech companies like Google, Microsoft and Intel Corporation are nonetheless moving key operations, billions in investments, and thousands of jobs to Israel… Furthermore, many of these companies are hiring members of controversial Israeli companies — known to have spied on Americans, American companies, and U.S. federal agencies — as well as numerous members of Israeli military intelligence as top managers and executives. …

    The Start-Up Nation Central (SUNC)[created by American billionaire Paul Singer who is a member of the Mega Group: https://www.startupnationcentral.org; https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/ ] has deep ties to Israel’s military intelligence unit known as Unit 8200.

    One particularly glaring connection between SUNC and Unit 8200 can be seen in Inbal Arieli, who served as SUNC’s Vice President of Strategic Partnerships from 2014 to 2017 and continues to serve as a senior adviser to the organization. … Arieli was the top executive at 8200 EISP while working at SUNC.

    Another key connection between SUNC and Unit 8200 is SUNC’s promotion of Team8, a company-creation platform whose CEO and co-founder is Nadav Zafrir, former commander of Unit 8200. …

    Team8 comprises the “former leaders of the Israeli Defense Force’s technology and intelligence Unit 8200:” https://www.team8.vc/about/about-us/

    Team8’s investors include Google’s Eric Schmidt, Microsoft, and Walmart — and it recently hired former head of the NSA and U.S. Cyber Command, retired Admiral Mike Rogers. Team8 described the decision to hire Rogers as being “instrumental in helping strategize” Team8’s expansion in the United States. However, Jake Williams, a veteran of NSA’s Tailored Access Operations hacking unit, told CyberScoop:

    “Rogers is not being brought into this role because of his technical experience. …It’s purely because of his knowledge of classified operations and his ability to influence many in the U.S. government and private-sector contractors.”

    In addition to connections to Unit 8200-linked groups like Team8 and 8200 EISP, SUNC also directly collaborates with the IDF in an initiative aimed at preparing young Israeli women to serve in Unit 8200. That initiative, called the CyberGirlz Club, is jointly funded by Israel’s Defense Ministry, SUNC and the Rashi Foundation, the philanthropic organization set up by the Leven family of Perrier-brand water, which has close ties to the Israeli government and IDF.

    “Our aim is to bring the girls to this process already skilled, with the knowledge needed to pass the exams for Unit 8200 and serve in the military as programmers,” Zwaig told Israel National News.

    Unit 8200, often likened to the U.S.’ NSA, closely coordinates with Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad, and is responsible for 90 percent of the intelligence material obtained by the Israeli government … For obvious reasons, the fact that an organization founded by an American billionaire [and ardent zionist] is actively promoting the presence of former military intelligence officers in foreign companies, specifically American companies, while also promoting the transfer of jobs and investment to that same country, is very troubling indeed.

    …since SUNC’s founding, the number of former Unit 8200 members in top positions in American tech companies has skyrocketed. … numerous former Unit 8200 alumni were found to currently hold top managerial or executive positions in Microsoft, Google and Facebook.

    At Microsoft, managers for at least 15 of the company’s products and programs — including Microsoft’s lead managers for engineering, product strategy, threat analytics and cloud business intelligence — publicly listed their affiliation with Unit 8200 on their LinkedIn accounts. In addition, the general manager of Microsoft’s Israeli Research and Development Center is also a former member of Unit 8200.

    Similarly, at Google, 28 former Unit 8200 members at the company were identified from their LinkedIn accounts. Among them are Google’s Engineering Director, its strategic partner manager, two growth marketing leads, its lead technical manager, and six product and program managers, including Google’s manager for trust and safety search.

    Facebook also has several Unit 8200 members in prominent positions… including its director of engineering, lead manager for express wi-fi, and technical program manager. Notably, Facebook has spent the last several years collaborating with Israel’s government to censor Israel’s critics.

  335. @Wizard of Oz

    Now account for the BBC announcing the collapse of building 7 before it happened.

  336. @Sean

    Regarding Larry Silverstein:

    Nor is he particularly pro Israel.

    That sure is an interesting assertion.

    • Replies: @Sean
  337. @the grand wazoo

    I watched a very interesting video on YouTube called “the third truth dimitri khalezov” which stated that the WTC was like many other large buildings, built on top of mini-nukes, which were there to make demolition easy.

    • Replies: @Iris
  338. Sparkon says:

    Now a very interesting detail emerged during fireman Rudy Dent’s interview by Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change, linked upstream (twice) by ChuckOrloski (#s 148 & 199) where fireman Dent recounted getting to the WTC after the Twin Towers were already down, and started talking about Bldg. 7 beginning at the 00:35 second mark:

    “By that time, both the buildings were down, and we were standing in the staging area, and I saw Building 7 come down.

    Prior to its coming down, the Mayor Giuliani and the Police comm….Fire Commissioner were missing. They were in the building somewhere. Nobody knew where they were, but they were missing for quite some time. They finally emerged outa the building, and a… then shortly after that, the building came down.”

    –Rudy Dent

    Of course, there’s absolutely nothing suspicious or strange about any of that.

    Or is there?

    In previous comments, I’ve talked about Mayor Giuliani being knighted:

    Later, in October 2001, Queen Elizabeth II named Giuliani Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire for his “outstanding help and support to the bereaved British families in New York.”and gave additional honors to the former NY Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik and Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, making each a Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.

    What previously escaped my attention is that the Queen’s glorious awards to Giuliani and his police and fire commissioners were announced on October 16, 2001, the very day Mr. DePrisco asserted the gold recovery operation began.

    Sing a song of sixpence
    A pocket full of lies
    Four and twenty scoundrels
    In various disguise

    The Queen was in her counting house, counting all her money,
    The Queen went in her dining room to snack on something funny.

  339. Iris says:
    @foolisholdman

    the WTC was like many other large buildings, built on top of mini-nukes,

    Just a small clarification: nuclear charges require maintenance and would not have been installed at construction.

    As a feature embedded at construction, the WTC towers (North, South and WTC7) were more likely built on empty underground “explosion chambers”, accessible through “horizontal” underground delivery tunnels fitted with rail track for transport of the charges, and equipped with sealing mechanisms for control of the radiations post detonation.

    On 9/11, these underground tunnels were used to deliver nuclear charges from the central control room in WTC7 to the North and South towers. This is why:
    – Contrary to logics, the South Tower (WTC2) was the second to be “hit by a plane”, but the first to collapse.
    WTC2 was the furthest from WTC7; demolishing the North Tower (WTC1) first would have posed the risk of damaging the underground delivery tunnel to WTC2, hence not being able to demolish WTC2.
    – Silverstein had to authorise to “pull ” WTC7, as he stated. The demolition control room with all the incriminating evidence was underneath and had to be eliminated to cover up the crime.

  340. @jack daniels

    I don’t understand what is meant by ‘God is truth’ …sounds like pantheism

    “Truth,” “Word,” and “Logos” are merely weak verbal representations of what constitutes the “Natural Law” of the entire universe.

    Is your hair part of you? What about your fingernail? What about the bacteria in your gut? See picture below. There are billions of flora living inside you and every single one constitutes a living entity. Can they comprehend that they exist inside a greater consciousness that is the human body? Where does human understanding reside? Is it in the mind or the body? Where does the universal law that dictates gravity, for example, exist? Is it on either a micro or macro level?

    The gut flora living inside one’s body have the the same astronomical probability of comprehending human existence as human beings have in understanding the “Natural Order” of the universe.

    goodness would still be goodness

    Sounds very close to “I Am that I Am.” The earliest definition of what we commonly refer to as “God” or “Jehovah” literally means existing. Therefore an atheist does not believe in the existence of existing. One obviously exists. Therefore the atheistic dogma is wrong.


    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/your-gut-bacteria-are-more-what-you-eat

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  341. @Sean

    /Pointing out that absolutely no one takes this Barrett’s kind of writing seriously/

    Would that your activity concerning this subject were as milquetoast as you now attempt to portray it.

    Regretfully for you, such is not the case.

  342. @lysias

    So?

    There are four stages of allegorical interpretation of the OT in Judaism. Does it make it better?

    In the end, it’s a practical result that matters.

    “Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.”

  343. @Iris

    Don’t forget how the evidence of this destruction was immediately shipped out to China.

    • Replies: @Iris
  344. tac says:
    @Iris

    WTC7 was built onto the Con Edison power substation, which footprint differs from that of the WTC7[sic].

    Thank you for your reply. My assumption is you meant WTC1 (North Tower) ***see the [sic] above.

    Nonetheless, your theory that WTC7 was built PARTLY above the Con Ed substation does not even come close to explaining the SYMMETRICAL downfall if an explosion happened, as you posit, underground. What I’ve proposed, it seems to me, is a more logical conclusion: that at WTC7 all columns (the the inner core columns being cut first (east to west as the implosion of the penthouse located on the top clearly demonstrates) shortly followed by the the outer ones and all where cut at ground level. The debris field (as Sparkon’s produced photos–also some of the ones I’ve produced here last year) is consistent with the cuts being made at ground level. Please listen to this interview of Barry Jennings–who was actually in WTC7 BEFORE WTC1 and WTC2 came crashing down. He could not recognize the lobby from first seeing it when he first entered it to when he saw in later and heard multiple explosions within WTC7 while he was stuck inside for a few hours).

    Now, I would like you to address my original point: what type of thermonuclear bomb exploded below-level yet somehow fails to create a crater and fails to destroy or even bend the exoskeleton of the WTC1 or WTC2 at the lobby-level (shortest level above ground)?

    Another point is since many people suffered (which you’ve previously brought up not necessarily as a result from radiation fallout) from 9/11 related sicknesses the EPA was caught doctoring evidence to fit the government talking points as was attested to by EPA whistel-blower Dr Cate Jenkins:

    • Replies: @Iris
  345. lysias says:

    Somebody else who was knighted for serving the Deep State was Governor General John Kerr of Australia, who, after dismissing Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and then the Australian Parliament, both against the wishes and votes of the Australian House of Representatives, was knighted and became Sir John Kerr. Whitlam had offended U.S. intelligence agencies, as came out in NSA messages seen by NSA contractor Christopher Boyce. Other U.S. government messages referred to Kerr as “our man”.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  346. tac says:
    @foolisholdman

    Notice how WoZ is conspicuously absent in regards to his/her most ardent demands of peer reviewed studies when it contradicts his/her (Israeli firster) talking points as was produced by University of Alaska at Fairbanks. You just can’t make this stuff up.

    What say you WoZ? crickets …. BTW, how ’bout them peer reviewed studies on the holocau$$$t? No …. well then you must be a recipient of those reparation funds that seek to transfer the so-called ‘trauma’ to you descendants for centuries to come. Poor WoZ and the ‘trauma’ he/she ‘experienced’ in the Eagle vs Bear cage. How terrifying that must have been! Quick act to prevent their descendants! They must not be forced to continue to endure this ‘genetic trauma’!

    • Replies: @Anon
  347. @Jon Baptist

    Why monotheism ? Why not gods and polytheism ?

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  348. @9/11 Inside job

    Does a human being have a single consciousness? Thinking bigger, are there multiple “Natural Laws” contradicting each other instead of working in unison? Is there something other than gravity, for example, on a universal scale to be an equal and adequate replacement? Logically, I have to say no. Personally, my thoughts always go back to the “unmoved mover.”

    Also, belief in “gods” seem to breed Supremacists and Sabbateans who concoct things like 911, sexual deviancy, and the “Virtue of Hate.”

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  349. Iris says:
    @tac

    Thanks for your reply.

    Nonetheless, your theory that WTC7 was built PARTLY above the Con Ed substation …..

    It is not “my” theory and there is no error: WTC7 was indeed built on the Con Edison substation, which had a smaller footprint. You can find this information in the official NIST final report:

    https://www.nist.gov/publications/final-report-collapse-world-trade-center-building-7-federal-building-and-fire-safety-0

    does not even come close to explaining the SYMMETRICAL downfall if an explosion happened, as you posit, underground

    The people who believe there was controlled demolition are correct and are focusing on the core issue: only controlled demolition can explain symmetrical falls, within own footprint, at speed close to free-fall, and furthermore happening three times in a few hours.

    The technicality of how the controlled demolition was executed is a separate matter, which should not be a subject of unnecessary controversy. Among the 9/11 truth community, there are many opinions as per which explosives were used and where they were positioned.

    The controlled demolition of a building by detonation of an underground nuclear charge perfectly fits the symmetrical collapse scenario.

    The detonation of underground nuclear charges is a well-explored domain of nuclear industry: 100+ of such explosions for peaceful applications were made in the 60’s.
    In hard (granitic) ground, the explosion creates an initial cavity around the explosion chamber; its roof is sustained for a certain time (seconds) by the extremely high pressure resulting from the explosion. Once the pressure drops, the fractured rocks collapse and a chimney is created above the cavity. The tower above it would have already been shattered by the shockwave (hence the dustification); it finally collapses inside the chimney.

    Among the many possible demolition methods proposed, the underground nuclear explosion is the only one that can explain the persistent (over 3 months), elevated (circa 1000 degree C) temperatures recorded at the WTC. No other explosive can produce such amount of thermal energy.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @tac
  350. Iris says:
    @Stonehands

    Indeed.

    And while the steel was being removed from the site of the three largest and most mysterious structural failures in history, even the team FEMA had assembled to investigate the failures — the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT) — was denied access to the evidence

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/restrictions.html#ref1

    http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/nyt_mismanagementmuddle.html

  351. @foolisholdman

    Well you are a foolish old man if you haven’t acqiired over the years enough knowledge of the media and human performance under pressure to see that as just one of those many little blips that occurs in busy pressured times. Don’t you actually know many people who have worked under pressure in the media? I know lots and not one regards that as a crotical piece of evidence. Indeed if you switch your brain on you might ask yourself why anyone would have the motive to give that wrong information and how it fits in with there being diabolically clever conspirators.

    If you had any imagination at all you would see how easily a pressured reporter could make too much out of someone saying in a rush “OMG I hear its WTC7 as well” or some such.

    If you take that pathetic bit of nonsense seriously, tell me about your follow up researches on what the BBC or anyone else has done to provide definitive explanation for the error. What does the reporter say?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @tac
  352. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Are you sure it didn’t have quite a bit of foreknowledge which it only passed on enough to cover itself – with the help of course of the CIA and FBI not wanting to look like negligent idiots?

  353. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    Enough irritating pedantry appears under the moniker Wizard of Oz for readers of Unz Review Comments to be spared the lazy idiocy who lets brain farts substitute for factual response based on the most elementary search in the range of WoZ comments. Please spare readers any more of such total malicious lying rubbish.

    • Replies: @tac
  354. @Jon Baptist

    If Zionists were behind the planning and execution of the attacks on 9/11 , is g-d to blame ?

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  355. @Wizard of Oz

    So, according to what passes for logic in the vast echo-chamber that exists inside the fat head of the Wizard of Oz, should a media outlet announce the winner of the Grand National, the Melbourne Cup or the Kentucky Derby some time before the actual start of the race then that would simply be “just one of those many little blips that occurs in busy pressured times” right?

    Is it asking too much from the shit-for-brains Wizard of Arse that the announcement of an “unforeseen” event having occurred PRIOR to the event actually occurring would seem to be clear evidence that the event was pre-planned?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  356. @nsa

    And of course there’s gravity wave, and black holes, and oh yeah the, a relative theory on of all things relativity.
    To date: no one has figured out what gravity is. Why? Because there is no such thing. and if they accept that there is no gravity they have to accept there is a creator, whom I call God. Once you accept him the powers that be have no power over you.
    We went to the moon. Prove it. Well we can’t. Ya see. We lost all the records, all the video, pictures, designs for the rover, and everything. Yeah, 70,000 boxes of moon stuff. Gone. Duh! I’ll buy that.
    In 2016 Obama said maybe in a few years we’ll be able to go beyond low earth orbit. But, you didn’t hear that. Did you?
    Geeesh, you’re dumb.

  357. @foolisholdman

    A similarly odd/funny thing happened on the day of the Orlando shooting. A female newscaster was on air going throught the news, when she said something like: “breaking news, in El Paso” the she looks down and flips over a piece of paper while adding: “oh that hasn’t happened yet”, as she tosses the passes aside. I caught this on 8chan or beforeitsnews. I can’t remember which one, and I didn’t screen shot it. I just laughed.

  358. @9/11 Inside job

    The worship of Mammon and idolatry of self are to blame.

  359. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Can you count on even the anti WoZ retards and obsessives on these threads not to see that your argument is demeaningly stupid.

    Of course any announcement of an actual event as having happened before it happens invites questions as to how it happens and the ones you hypothesise would invite questions totally different from those about a building collapse on which there is no betting market and when the report is under great pressure during dramatic events. Did a news reader on a country station perhaps hear last year’s event broadcast with the same winner being played over and mistake it for the current year?

    Your comment rather oddly supposes it is before the start when it would be more like the case of a newsreader hearing that the actual winner is ahead by three lengths “romping home” and mistakenly reports an actual win. Also your UNFORSEEN is counterfactual because the firemen were evacuated precisely because WTC7’s collapse was forseen.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  360. tac says:
    @Iris

    Once again I thank you for your reply; and I appreciate this important engagement. When I stated your ‘theory’ I meant it as a theory in its entirety taken from elements you’ve linked. Therefore, making it entirely of your own accord.

    Nonetheless, what strikes me as most relevant, in your reply, is that there are myriad theories of the possible ways in which the WTC building collapsed. Although the months long high temperatures at the WTCs can also be explained by the visible liquefied steel seen above level (seeping down into the ground, like almost running water or droplets of water falling down from one’s faucet, and as one fireman’s explanation ‘like a foundry’ before the towers came down) there still remains the stubborn fact that the exoskeleton, at the ground level, remained upright. Any thermonuclear force, including the shock-wave that followed the initial impact–especially underground–would reverberate (as the second such shock-wave following the initial spherical distribution) against the more solid bedrock underneath only to cause the most damage in its most immediate proximity–the structures below and at the closet point to the ground level: the lobby, yet they did not. This must be addressed if one is to believe under ground thermonuclear hypothesis!

    Moreover, have you any thoughts of the Barry Jenkins interview I’ve linked above?

    Kind regards to as always.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  361. Sean says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    It all depends which 9/11 you are talking about. The more complex it was the less likely it was what it seemed. However I would be careful of taking the start point of an enquiry from an assumption 9/11 was not what it seemed, because such a line of reasoning would entail skewed interpretation of the evidence in a JJ Angleton mode (nothing-is-as-it-seems analysis).

    The Angleton thesis of “strategic deception” was that all Soviet defectors were plants out to discredit his pet one, Anatoli Golitsyn, who had claimed that Harold Wilson was a KGB spy and the Soviet had killed Wilson’s predecessor as Labour Party leader so Wilson could become PM, Golitsyn predicted the KGB would send someone to discredit him. When Nosenko, a new KGB defector, arrived on cue and tried to discredit Golitsyn, Angleton felt certain Nosenko was a KGB double agent fake defector.

    Although no word of the details leaked out until Trump ordered the release of the files,the JFK cover up was all about preventing WW3, because there were various pieces of evidence that could be used to support the idea that Oswald assassinated JFK as part of a Soviet or Cuban plot. Because Nosenko said he had seen Oswalds file and the KGB did not take any interest in him at all, Angleton appears to have entertained the idea that Nosenko denials that Oswald was involved with the KGB proved Oswals had been working for the KGB

    But all this theorising was predicated on the idea that the KGB would have sent one of their own with a certain amount of genuine bait information to pose as a defector. In actuality and as people stupid enough to try and explain to Angleton had their careers destroyed for saying, the KGB did not trust any of their officers to go to the West as a fake defector in case they became a real one and told the CIA absolutely everything. They did not have the means. I don’t think Israel has feasible means to mount anything remotely as complex as a false flag 9/11, which was only certain to result in the invasion of Afghanistan by the way, and whether they Israel had the motive and opportunity is a moot point, at least for me,

    Angleton also thought that Israel was a great asset to the US in its battle with the fiendishly deceptive Soviets of his imagination. In reality the Soviet Union was large but primitive, and no match for the US in any department. One might compare Israel to South Vietnam: more of a nuisance than an asset. Israel eventually will be dumped just as South Vietnam was, but it will take a lot longer because of the domestic political influence Jewish Americans wield.

    Even the simple false flag 9/11 with no controlled demolition would require the US to be in on it, or so completely under the thumb of Israel that it would not fear the US reaction I think . Yet if the US was in the grip of such a conspiracy, why on Earth would there be a need to do 9/11 with all its uncertain economic and political blowback risks. They could just have a Gulf incident a la Tonkin.

    • Replies: @tac
    , @AnonStarter
  362. tac says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Here you appear just like I thought you would have–the ever persistent sayanim that you clearly are. Curiously you’ve managed to simply skip over my address to you: What about the PEER REVIEWED study published by the University of Alaska at Fairbanks–a University that contains some of the best engineers in any University in America?

    Peer reviewed is ALWAYS what you clamor about, yet crickets in this regard …. very telling WoZ!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  363. tac says:
    @Anon

    Am I not allowed to call this character into question for his/her multiple fallacies and straw-men arguments just at the most opportune time? Please reconsider your notion, albeit for a nominal response, one that does not touch upon your sensibilities …. otherwise please skip over my richly-timed and deservedly so response to this (((character))).

  364. Sean says:
    @Just another serf

    Relative to the the sort of person who went ahead with a false flag 9/11 with the absolute certainty that after he was successful in the operation he would be killed afterwards to keep him quiet? Such a person would not merely be ‘particularly pro Israel’, he would be far, far beyond the most fanatical zealot imaginable. By which I mean imaginable in the real flesh and blood world.

  365. @Anonymous

    Your argument (I am being complimentary by even calling it that) is the demeaningly stupid one given the FACT that no steel framed high-rise structure has EVER collapsed due to fires previously and the additional FACT that the fires in WTC7 were very minor fires of very short duration.

    The collapse of WTC7 certainly was FORSEEN by Lucky Larry and the other perpetrators including, to anyone with a functioning brain, somebody working within that great propaganda outfit the BBC. That they goofed on their timing is a blessing but it was covered up by the lying media and that is exactly what this article is about. Try to focus!

    That you think you could possibly convince other readers of The Unz Review with your pathetic excuse for an “argument” (including the weak attempt to distract regarding a country station) proves that you are not only a fool but a troll as well.

    Do they really pay you people so poorly that this is the best you can do? Bring back Sam the Sham and Incitatus the Disingenuous Old Queen, at least they tried a bit harder than you do.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  366. tac says:
    @Sean

    Another sayanim jew who pretends to be a partial observer! Yet, nothing could be farther from the truth! So many straw-men arguments–yet curiously NONE against the love and devotion of your life: ISRAEL! Why is that? Well, intelligent people will instantly know the answer to that question. You are a sayanim shill and should be treated as such. Why don’t you go back–if you haven’t done so already–to your beloved land of Israel, which was built upon Jewish terrorism, murder, rape, displacement of the residents, blackmail and myriad of other methods based on coercion …. and where you fit right in as a consequence?!

    • Replies: @Sean
  367. Truth3 says:
    @Sean

    Sean is a Tribal relative of Lucky.

  368. @tac

    All over tbe place with the product of your fevered imagination as usual. Where have I ever demanded peer review in a Comment on UR? I’m more likely to have written of its limitations. Ever heard of Prof John Ioannidis ans his demolition job on medical research reported in peer reviewed journals? No, I expect not.

    • Replies: @tac
  369. Sean says:
    @tac

    Why is Barrett not afraid something will happen to Silverstein? Because he knows his readers all understand the accusation is just an internet game.

    • Replies: @Tony Ryals
  370. @Sean

    /I don’t think Israel has feasible means to mount anything remotely as complex as a false flag 9/11/

    Of course not.

    They have feasible means to control institutions of American government, media and finance, but not a temporary operation as rife with anomalies as 9/11.

    For a man so enamored of speculation, you sure don’t like the kind that throws a wrench in your works.

  371. @Sean

    You’re the only one on this board who as an agent provacateur has been planting the idea over and
    over again of doing voiolence to the American traitor and Israeli agent scumbag war profiteer and criminal money launderer and possible drug and prostitution trafficking Larry Silverstein. Why ?
    We’d all here just like to see his long history of involvement in Zionist organized crime investigated and punished.And be able to just say never again.
    Go back and read your posts.

  372. @Sean

    /But Barrett thinks Silverstein was virtually admitting that he murdered thousands of people. This would be an act of self immolation if he did it and them stayed in the country; does Barrett not understand that Silverstein would be virtually committing suicide?/

    [laughing]

    Here you incessantly bemoan low attendance at the Temple of Aristotle, complaining that nobody is “doing anything about” Silverstein while you know damn well that most Americans (and a few others) are gullible as all get out. Why else would 2/3 of them have approved of a groundless invasion of Iraq while bin Laden had been yet to be found?

    Where is the thundering outrage and clamor for justice we should expect following the revelation that the invasion and occupation was based upon a lie? Do you think that because members of the public don’t, at the very least, expose themselves with sloganed placards on America’s streets within dossier-compiling range that they necessarily accept those WMDs existed?

    Most will simply acquiesce, “You can’t fight city hall,” yet continue to know the truth after having been duped.

    So please spare us this nonsense about “committing suicide”. Israel murdered United States sailors in broad daylight, offering no reasonable explanation for it. It escaped scot-free. Nobody tried to assassinate LBJ or Admiral McCain. In broad daylight, Mossad agents got jiggy over the twin towers’ destruction. They were found with highlighted maps of Manhattan, a sock stuffed with cash and traces of explosive residue in their van. After Dershowitz and Armitage intervened, they escaped scot-free. No suicide.

    Kushner sets up a meeting with Kislyak to get Russia to veto a UN resolution condemning illegal settlements, sends Flynn as the go-between, and Flynn becomes a casualty of “Russiagate.” What happens to Kushner? Nothing. No charges of “collusion with a foreign government.” No repercussions, no consequences, no suicide.

    Plenty of precedents for unrequited chutzpah, Sean. You ought to know.

    http://911review.com/errors/wtc/pullit.html

    A third explanation is less obvious but makes sense of the non-sequiturs in the above explanations: perhaps Silverstein’s statement was calculated to confuse the issue of what actually happened to Building 7. By suggesting that it was demolished by the FDNY as a safety measure, it provides an alternative to the only logical explanation — that it was rigged for demolition before the attack. The absurdity of the FDNY implementing a plan to “pull” Building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11/01 will escape most people, who neither grasp the technical complexity of engineering the controlled demolition of a skyscraper, nor its contradiction with FEMA’s account of the collapse, nor the thorough illegality of such an operation. Thus the idea that officials decided to “pull” Building 7 after the attack serves as a distraction from the inescapable logic that the building’s demolition was planned in advance of the attack, and was therefore part of an inside job to destroy the entire WTC complex.

    An explanation that also dovetails nicely with your claim that Silverstein lied on tape.

    I recall the poll numbers of 9/11 skeptic Americans being less than 1/3 by the late aughts. Quite low, considering all the evidence available at the time. Now, it’s surpassed critical mass, so you may just get your Manchurian candidate sooner than you think.

    Or not. These things often have a funny way of working out in ways we least expect.

    • Replies: @Sean
  373. @NoseytheDuke

    Well the only thing that’s unusual for the ageing alcoholic is the stamina to emit three pars of personal insult and invective on top of one purporting to state facts which, unsurprisingly, shows that he hasn’t mastered the literature.

    But the damage to the brain is revealed with greatest certainty by the truly barmy invention of the idea that someone in the BBC was a “perpetrator”. Now folks, if anyone is still entertained by the Nosey old fart’s foolishness, consider what he is saying. He has to be saying that a disciplined little group of conspirators, highly successful on 9/11 and since, knew well enough, and included for the sake of some important advantage, someone quite senior in the BBC in the planning and/or execution of their plan (much to the chagrin of a dozen other networks which would surely have liked to tender), and that that person (or one of those persons – after all if you are going to be scattering secrets about why limit yourself to one Brit or other senior BBC name) had a connection with the reporter on the spot in NY which caused her to blurt out words which were both untrue and clearly damaging to the conspirators’ security. What BS.

  374. @jack daniels

    One way to explain what is meant by “God is Truth” is by way of the classic metaphysical arguments. Neoplatonism, Ibn al-Arabi, etc. are the obvious references.

    Another is to agree with the postmodern philosophers that in a Godless world there is no truth, just power.

    You say: “It’s true that without God there would be no guarantee that good will triumph and wickedness succumb…” It’s worse than that. Without God or some equivalent, those who question what people “tend to agree on” will realize that “opposing murder, rape, theft, etc.” is an arbitrary rather than a necessary choice. Some of these questioners/skeptics/philosophers will end up agreeing with and joining forces with the psychopaths, the 2% who have no inborn aversion to murder, rape, theft, etc.

    Additionally, without God or some equivalent metaphysical basis for morality, there is no good reason to rigorously adhere to truth.

    Today’s post-religious ruling elite is a cesspool of psychopathic liars and criminals, and many of them are not born psychopaths, but were taught to be sociopathic by atheist philosophers like the self-professed “teacher of evil” Leo Strauss.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  375. Iris says:
    @tac

    Moreover, have you any thoughts of the Barry Jenkins interview I’ve linked above?

    Hello Tac. The witness (Barry Jennings) reporting many successive explosions within or in close vicinity of WTC7 is very likely true; many eyewitnesses reported the same about WTC1 and 2.

    The Towers were probably planted with explosives at various floors, as a means to bring about the “office fires” needed to justify their planned collapse. The nanothermite found in the WTC rubble was possibly used for that purpose.

    Also, each of the Twin Towers had a large explosive charge blown up at the top to simulate the fake “plane attacks”. (The explosions and the victims were real, the planes were CGI).

    But the controlled demolition couldn’t have been executed in a conventional fashion: it would have required too large, visible, quantities of explosives in too many key structural nodes. Too impracticable.

    Barry Jennings’ testimony about the WTC7 stairs and lobby being blown out is true, and can be verified in this remarkable video shot inside WTC7, filmed after the collapse of WTC2, but before the collapse of WTC1.

    In the devastated lobby, the Secret Service agent states that the surroundings were “pretty clear”, that all of a sudden a “bunch of smoke and glass” came up (at 2:40), and that he heard that “the top of the building came down”.

    We know of course that WTC7 did not lose its top, or any other part, and would collapse only much later that day. So what caused such instantaneous internal destruction which location cannot be pinpointed?

    A logical explanation for the sudden and devastating blast inside WTC7 is the underground nuclear explosion that had just occurred and taken down WTC2. The subsequent blast (high pressure wave) travels much easier, quicker and un-dampened through open space than through solid ground. It found a path of less resistance through the delivery tunnels up to the nuclear control room in WTC7 basement, and blow up everything within a “bunch of smoke and glass”.

    Later on, the second blast under WTC1 travelled the same way through its respective delivery tunnel. But as WTC1 was closer to WTC7, the second blast was more powerful and this time destroyed all of the WTC7 stairs and lobby, as reported by the witness at the time of his rescue.

    • Replies: @ANON
  376. Sparkon says:

    A logical explanation for the sudden and devastating blast inside WTC7 is the underground nuclear explosion that had just occurred and taken down WTC2. The subsequent blast (high pressure wave) travels much easier, quicker and un-dampened through open space than through solid ground. It found a path of less resistance through the delivery tunnels up to the nuclear control room in WTC7 basement, and blow up everything within a “bunch of smoke and glass”.

    Complete nonsense.

    • Agree: tac
  377. Iris says:
    @tac

    the months long high temperatures at the WTCs can also be explained by the visible liquefied steel seen above level

    It works the other around: what caused the steel to become liquefied?

    Steel and concrete were the main constituents of the WTC towers, almost 100% of their total mass (weight), but neither steel nor concrete are combustible.

    To heat steel and bring it to molten temperature level, a combustible able to burn steadily and release thermal energy is required. Conventional chemical combustibles are coal, wood, methane, petrol, etc.., of which none was present in sufficient quantities to heat up steel for over three months.
    What would you think if somebody told you they managed to roast an entire beef with one handful of coal?

    Further more, the 2nd Principle of Thermodynamics states that heat always travels from a higher temperature towards a lower one, just like the existence of gravity means that water can only flow downwards, never upwards. The 2nd principle means that whatever combustible was heating the steel at molten temperature (circa 1000 degree C), the combustible in question was at a superior temperature

    Paper and wood, the only combustibles present in office buildings, burn far below 1000 degree, respectively at 230 and 400 degree C, so none of them could melt steel in the open.

    Conventional explosives (thermite, nanothermite) must be ruled out too. First, they explode or consume very fast, and don’t burn steadily over weeks. Second, there was nowhere to hide the large quantities required to produce such long-lasting effect. Third, they require oxygen and won’t react under piles of rubble.

    1 kilogram of nuclear fuel is so compact it can liberate the same energy as 10,000 kilogram of chemical combustible. When exploding, the initial temperatures are in the order of 5000 degree C. It does not require oxygen and can successfully be detonated underground.
    It is the is the only combustible that explains the elevated, long-lasting temperatures at the WTC.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  378. @Kevin Barrett

    Not so fast.

    Those sceptical of the “pull=demolish” idea suggest that “pull it” could mean “pull a firefighting operation”, instead. And even sites collecting examples to show that it is a demolition term (see http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/pullit.html, for instance), offer some support for this idea….

    And we have other issues with the “demolition” interpretation of Silverstein’s remarks:

    Problem #1, Larry Silverstein is not a demolition contractor, neither was the fire department chief, so why should we assume they’d be using slang demolition terms?

    Problem #2, Silverstein says “they made that decision to pull”, for instance — the Fire Department. If “pull” means “demolish”, then he’s saying the Fire Department may not have decided to bring the building down if they couldn’t contain the fire, but because it was beyond them, they decided to blow it up. Does this make sense? Not in the slightest.

    Problem #3, Silverstein is suggesting that the decision to demolish the building was optional. It might not have happened. Does this fit with the idea of a convenient insurance scam? No, not at all.

    Problem #4, why would the Fire Department willingly agree to engage in a multi-million dollar insurance fraud?

    Problem #5, and since when do Fire Departments blow up buildings anyway?

    Problem #6, and if it’s so obvious that WTC7 was demolished, then why are the insurance companies not suing Silverstein for fraud?

    Problem #7, and why would Silverstein admit this on television?

    http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Tony Ryals
    , @AnonStarter
  379. Iris says:
    @PabloPickAsso

    Problem 8: There is a problem with your reasoning; it ignores the obvious foreknowledge.

    Why was WTC7 the only building to be fully evacuated as soon as a “plane” hit WTC1?
    See video posted by Tac at comment 350.

    Contrary to the insiders at WTC7, a lot of poor people were sacrificed and told to go back into WTC2 while WTC1 was in fire:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/september11.usa3

  380. @PabloPickAsso

    And why did the airline companies allow themselves to be sued in the kangaroo court run by NY Zionist Alvin Hellerstein,(whose son coincidentally migrated to Israel immediately after 9/11 to live on occupied Palestinian land where he was employed by a Rothschild concern),rather than insist that the security company they hired should bare responsibilty because it was a suspect Israeli firm,ICTS Internatio9nal with Israel gov spook connections and so they were the chiref responsible party and not the U.S. airlines ? Maybe the insurance companies as well as the airlines were in collusion in the cover up and false flag.
    And why in heil didn’t American Airlines learn from their mistake of September 11,2001 and at least fire the sons of Zionist bitches rather than keep them on and let them allow Richard Reid to board American Airlines flight 63 at De Gualle Airport Paris France only a month later even though Menachem Atzmon and ICTS Israel knew Reid personally and had facilitatyed his flight from Schiphol Airport Amsterdam to Israel allegedly so he could visit Gaza and get explosives for his ‘shoe bomb’ from Hamas !? Huh ?!

    United Airlines And American Airlines 9/11 Case – Business …

    https://www.businessinsider.com › united-airlines-and-american-airlines-91…
    Sep 5, 2012 – United And American Airlines Have To Convince A Court 9/11 Wasn’t … Judge Alvin Hellerstein later ruled the Towers were worth only $2.8

    Judge in 9/11 Suits Feels No Regret That None Ever Went to …

    https://www.nytimes.com › 2016/09/10 › nyregion › judge-in-9-11-suits-f…
    Sep 9, 2016 – Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein acknowledged that by not holding a trial for any of the cases, there was a “loss of information” to the public.

  381. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    The Mysterious Final Load from Ground Zero

    September 8, 2019

    The following is an email about a mysterious final load that was removed from the World Trade Center in July 2002 when the clean-up of Ground Zero ended. I sent this email to the Lawyers’ Committee and Richard Gage earlier this year.

    To: Lawyers’ Committee President David R. Meiswinkle J.D., Mick Harrison, Richard Gage

    March 24, 2019

    RE: The Mysterious Final Load from Ground Zero

    Messrs Meiswinkle, Harrison, and Gage,

    [MORE]

    I spoke to you about this matter briefly and want to give you more information about the “final load” that was taken from the clean-up site of the World Trade Center in the summer of 2002. I have tried many times to reach the two people involved in this operation without luck.

    The tip for this story came from a truck driver who worked for Logano Trucking at the time.

    At the end of the clean-up operation at the WTC, the office of Logano Trucking was asked to bring a special container (50 cu. yards) for a hazardous material load to be taken to the CWMC hazardous material disposal site near Model City, NY.

    See: https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveactionsites/hazardous-waste-cleanup-cwm-chemical-services-llc-model-city-new-york

    This was an unusual load because a young executive from Logano Trucking went with to NYC and back with the load. Her name is Lindsay Kelly and she still works with the company, which is now known as RED Technologies. She works with asbestos and hazardous material orders. She would have been about 21 in 2001 and it was very unusual that she went with to get this “live load” to be taken to upstate New York.

    See: https://www.redtechllc.com/

    The driver for this load was Richard Gamberale from East Hampton, Conn. who has a listed phone number, but has not answered at that number. According to the driver, Gamberale and Kelly stayed in NYC overnight and drove the load to upstate NY to the CWMC near Niagara Falls in the morning.

    This seems to have been a very special load because, according to my source, an asbestos load would have been taken to a closer disposal site in Trenton, NJ, and also due to the fact that Ms Kelly went with on this job. Why did she go with?

    What was the nature of this load and why was it taken to a hazardous disposal site? I think it may have been the solidified molten metal that was left over from the hot-spots that were hotter than boiling iron. These solidified pools of molten metal would have had to be disposed of in a secure manner so they would not be seen or photographed by reporters. By classifying them as hazardous waste the cover-up team would have secured their secret disposal.

    I have tried to reach Lindsay Kelly many times at RED Tech. LLC, but she has never come to the phone and seems to be avoiding me. Richard Gamberale seems to be out-of-town and is probably engaged in NASCAR racing with the Logano family, which is involved in the sport.

    The material may have been mixed with concrete and put in a slot in the disposal site.

    Short of bringing that material up and out of its burial site, there are several things to investigate:

    Contact Lindsay Kelly and Richard Gamberale to get their stories.

    Find out who was in charge of placing the order for the hazardous pick-up and getting their side of the story.

    Get a copy of the bill of lading or waybill.

    I think this may be how they disposed of the physical evidence that needed to be hidden because it could not be explained by the official story.

    Submitted by Christopher Bollyn

  382. @PabloPickAsso

    Ah, yes … A one-and-done, lame named sock puppet chimes in with the usual cut-and-paste pabulum.

    If “making sense” is the criterion for determining the validity of a hypothesis, then you’ve got far more nonsensical coincidences to explain with the official theory.

    It’s crucial to remember that most Americans have proven themselves not only gullible, but largely uninterested in fighting city hall, even where the treachery of 9/11 is concerned.

    http://911review.com/errors/wtc/pullit.html

    A third explanation is less obvious but makes sense of the non-sequiturs in the above explanations: perhaps Silverstein’s statement was calculated to confuse the issue of what actually happened to Building 7. By suggesting that it was demolished by the FDNY as a safety measure, it provides an alternative to the only logical explanation — that it was rigged for demolition before the attack. The absurdity of the FDNY implementing a plan to “pull” Building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11/01 will escape most people, who neither grasp the technical complexity of engineering the controlled demolition of a skyscraper, nor its contradiction with FEMA’s account of the collapse, nor the thorough illegality of such an operation. Thus the idea that officials decided to “pull” Building 7 after the attack serves as a distraction from the inescapable logic that the building’s demolition was planned in advance of the attack, and was therefore part of an inside job to destroy the entire WTC complex.

    As Sean mentioned above, Silverstein was caught lying when he said what he did. This explanation makes more sense, as well as the fact that a Fox News reporter known for deriding 9/11 skeptics corroborated Silverstein’s effort to get the building demolished.

    More importantly, even if Silverstein was innocent, the preponderance of evidence aside from this “pull it” distraction weighs heavily in favor of Israeli/American intelligence culpability.

  383. @Kevin Barrett

    “without God or some equivalent metaphysical basis for morality, there is no good reason to rigorously adhere to truth”

    Well you would have fitted in well with the cruel and rigid Sir/Saint Thomas More’s clique as he prescribed in Utopia the death sentence for those who denied the existence of God or the afterlife. The afterlife was meant to froghten the powerful who would otherwise be nastier thsn they were.

    But what I quote above is surely made nonsensical by the overwhelming evidence that God, as omnipotent creator, doesn’t carw a damn for us or about what we do. The only hypothesis that makes sense is one that “made in His image” gives a clue to. He/She/It, if there is one such eternal being, must be lonely and bored so set off the Big Bang and, by happy chance, subsequent evolution of life, for the stimulating diversion and entertainment value. If he had actually cared about the curious, often violent, behaviour He observed he wouldn’t have left us so uncertain about his instructions and product description. Jews left venerating Moses, the genocidal psychopath; Christians all over the place from Early Fathers to criminal Popes, splittist Greeks, Hussites, Albigensians, Cathars, Lutherans, Calvinists and on and on without even mentioning Muslim sects anf the Prophets ravings. And why would he neglect to tell bollions of Hindus and Buddhists the good news and how to behave with pork and Sabbaths?

    Of course once one picks up the clue that he’s made in our image you know that he wouldn’t have stopped at one Big Bang and one universe: there must be trillions of them, indeed an infonitw number.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  384. ANON[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Very subtle trolling, with the subtle drop of horse shit just to see who is hooked and paying attention. It’s that second par that does it.

    Fires started at and above Level 81 approx in the second tower struck and about level 95 on the first. Yep, when you have command of CGI that doesn’t create the problem that you would have with unreliable pilots who might miss the right floors where you had rigged the explosives.

    And very titillating that you don’t deal with the big bang explosions the demolitionists need to be beliw thos floors. So….

    Congrats. You have proved that fireweakening plus gravity (bigger quicker effect in the second tower struck at lower levels) did for the Twin Towers. What a brilliant troll.

    • Replies: @tac
  385. Mossad’s execution of 9-11 should have been a wake up call.
    You guys subscribed to the phony WMD and coyote planes dissapearing into the babylonian twin towers whilst your intuition should have kicked in and told you something is not right.
    9-11 should have been the litmus test for truth but you conveniently ignored it. You looked the other way due to cognitive dissonance.
    You followed Bush’s order to go on a spending spree with more credit card debt jacked up with high interest to feed the satanic cabal instead.
    With all these bogus wars on terror and non-ending hoaxes you have unwittingly supported the Zionist Satanic push for one world disorder.
    At this point, all you can do is repent for your sins and start fighting back the criminal enterprize who are in charge of orchestrating all these bogus war on terror, creating these monstrous, diabolical, sinister ISISraHELL with the help of al-CIA-da and MOSSAD.
    Alternate would be to sit back and enjoy bigger fireworks than 9-11 coming near you whilst they prepare greater IzraHELL for the coming of their Yahweh, The Anti-Christ dajjal who will globalize his reign of terror from Jerusalem.
    Either way buckle up for a roller coaster ride with some of these demonic, totally psychopathic, diabolical, sinister, pathological liars and corrupters of mother earth. You reap what you sow.

    There is a lie. Then there is a BIG LIE. Then there is 911. Santa Claus is beyond a LIE. Tel LIE vised 911 EvangeLIED are being taken for a ride by way of Deception to think Jesus Christ died for their Evils. Everyone shall have to account for deeds, either good or evil to enter Paradise or eternal abode in Hell fire.

    The infuriating thing about 9/11 and the multitude of lesser false flags which both preceded and followed it is that, although most Americans know it was as phoney as a three and a half dollar fed reserve note, everyone seems content to put up with the extremely phoney “war on terror” it was designed to create and which has already destroyed a hand full of countries in the world, caused the murder of upwards of two million people, mostly using U.S. military, and turned the U.S. into a ruthlessly insane police state wherein everyone is made to obey patently unlawful statutes in the name of “emergency” while the ruling elite has quit obeying any laws at all while gathering a massive military presence to cow the now restless and resentful public. – See more at:Christopher Bollyn: The Man Who Solved 9/11

  386. tac says:
    @ANON

    Sorry, don’t have much time to respond although I tend to come in favor of your assessment. CGI is simply an undeniable ploy at one’s intelligence. Has not the majority of posters on the Internet not been captured by the Jewish Zionist agenda? It is to be expected that it would be infiltrated–but not to the extent that it seems to have been. The more that I look at the state-of-affairs the more I become convinced that it is flooded either by agents or simply people who somehow lost their ability to discern. That is cause for concern.

    The levels of deception/misunderstanding is varied so that almost everyone has a sort of connection to each varying degree of deception.

  387. tac says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Do I have to take the time to bust you at every turn on your Zio-Jew Talmudic lies? Well, once again let the reader decide (just a mere sample of your devotion) your–obvious to me and those like me–Israeli-firster duplicity (and one of the regular sayanim who purposely pretends to have ‘real’ conversions/rebuttal against his JIDF trolls …. You simply do not fool me sayanim Jew:

    Wizard of Oz says:
    October 25, 2015 at 4:43 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Wally
    While I am well aware of occasional failures by the most prestigious scientific and medical journals to avoid publishing rubbish it is certainly comforting to know that “Nature” for example, or “Science” has given its stamp of approval to a scientific idea by (peer reviewed) publication. So…. can you cite peer reviewed support in any one of the top 30 scientific journals for your “truther” allegations at #14?
    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/week-three-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria/#comment-1201484 (comment #32)

    Wizard of Oz says:
    March 27, 2019 at 7:48 am GMT • 1,000 Words
    @Iris
    I wonder whether you are a liar in the real sense or just in the internet blog sense but I would like to think you were just lazy and a little inebriated because it didn’t take me long, after wondering what Europeanphysicsnews was and doing a search, to come up with the fact that the paper you cite by several wellknown [sic]*American* 9/11 conspiracy theorists was not a “peer reviewed paper or indeed accepted by the publisher as any kind of scientific paper. E.g. see this fact check
    Claim
    The European Scientific Journal, a peer-reviewed academic publication, concluded that the collapse of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on 11 September 2001 was the result of a controlled demolition.
    […]
    Jet fuel cannot melt steel beams (This claim is misleading, as steel beams do to not need to melt completely to be compromised structurally).
    A sprinkler system would have prevented temperatures from rising high enough to cause to cause structural damage. (This claim ignores the fact that a crash from a 767 jet would likely destroy such a system.)
    The structural system would have been protected by fireproofing material (similarly, such a system would have been damaged in a 767 crash).
    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/alan-israel-did-9-11-sabrosky-most-censored-man-in-america/?#comment-3117834 (comment #32)

    Response:
    Security Alerts, Disabled Fire Alarms, and Unused Elevators: Suspicious Events at the World Trade Center Before 9/11

    http://911blogger.com/news/2018-06-18/security-alerts-disabled-fire-alarms-and-unused-elevators-suspicious-events-world-trade-center-911

    Wizard of Oz says:
    December 30, 2016 at 3:02 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Carroll Price
    cite relevant peer reviewed articles and cite even a single reported court case in which Luechter’s “nationally recognized” expertise has been affirmed.
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1710589 (comment #348)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Alden
  388. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Hi Iris,

    Like the dog that didn’t bark, the thing that strikes me about the powerful subterranean explosions that preceded the collapse of the towers by seconds and minutes, is that they left the towers standing.

    Ergo, the explosions were not intended to bring the towers down, but served in other, presumably critical roles in the overall demolition plan.

    The “real” demolition began at the points of “plane impact” and proceeded downwards. Floor by floor, without obvious error or omission, enormous quantities of concrete, furniture, building equipment and even structural steel were systematically turned into fine dust and ejected to drift on the air currents, covering much of lower Manhattan.

    Remember the upper 20-30 floors of WTC2 last seen largely intact and leaning at ~20 degrees on its way to breaking totally free of the building? Then, apparently independent of any energy being applied in the rest of the building it disappeared in clouds of dust instead of carrying on down to hit the ground more or less intact. This is startling. The demolition plan was sufficently robust to accommodate the building breaking into large sections and still be able to disappear them midair, quite independently of whatever was going on in the rest of the building.

    For myself, the systematically controlled molecular disassociation of dense materials including metals is by far the most stunning and most puzzling aspect of 9/11. What role the subterranean explosions played is going to remain problematic until the mechanism(s) used to execute the “real” demolition are explicated. The subterranean explosions may have set the stage, but the play happened high above.

    As I watched them come down in “real (TV) time”, I had the kind of WTF??? reaction I’d expect to have to an intense first encounter with the paranormal. It looked and felt unreal at the time, and ever since. Judy Wood et al posit DEW and a host of other extraordinary methods, but I would feel much more comfortable with something more mundane.

    I’ve seen mechanical resonance destroy semi-crystalline objects, and I’ve witnessed electricity utterly vaporize steel. My spidey sense keeps telling me that an explication involving extraordinary use of ordinary methods is hiding in plain sight.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Iris
  389. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    You can’t fight city hall

    Harvey Milk was shot dead in City Hall.

    Nobody tried to assassinate LBJ

    Unlike murder, calumny can be committed with impunity, and thus an popular indictment is worthless. Not a single person has acted on the beliefs about the identified JFK culprit or on the 9/11 one whose photo in at the head of this article and no one ever will because it is all a game and not to be taken seriously. Indeed the only people who take it seriously, are those who don’t believe. Perhaps I am taking the whole thing much too seriously, and should leave you to your futile game?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  390. Truth3 says:

    Sean is a twisted hasbarist… sophistry is his tool.

    Get lost you POS.

  391. @Wizard of Oz

    Right.

    Because it’s so much more sensible to conclude that the cosmos and all within it is just the by-product of random collisions among essentially deaf, dumb, blind, lifeless and unconscious particles … that there’s simply no greater purpose to all we behold. That makes perfect sense.

    Look … I get it … been there, done that.

    But the question of “eternal evil” is subordinate to the question of existence, which certainly won’t make much sense without acknowledgment of greater purpose. It’s absurd to say that we’re not “cared for” when myriad necessities of life that we typically take for granted are provided to us free of charge. You want to blame God for creating the creature that makes life for his own species miserable? Get behind the angels. They were complaining about us well before you.

    Point is, we don’t have to make it hard on ourselves or others, for that matter. We’re given agency, and there are, in fact, those who use that agency among themselves to wonderful effect, though you wouldn’t know it just by paying attention to the news. That sort of knowledge doesn’t stimulate adrenaline glands and move merchandise. It’s just not as attractive to our sense of self-worth.

    And even if an “instruction” as basic as the golden rule proves difficult to follow in our time, it doesn’t make the imperative any less beneficial. The threads that bind religions are far stronger than the loose ends — a reality which, of itself, is compelling evidence of a singular origin.

    As for a hypothetically endless concatenation of “metagods,” binary logic demands no more than one. The remainder, as such, are theoretically superfluous.

  392. @Sean

    /Harvey Milk was shot dead in City Hall./

    And the price of tea in China is holding steady, last I heard.

    Indeed, your effort to impose your own disbelief upon others is far too serious. Time to cash in your chips while you still have any left.

  393. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    the thing that strikes me about the powerful subterranean explosions that preceded the collapse of the towers by seconds and minutes, is that they left the towers standing.

    the systematically controlled molecular disassociation of dense materials including metals is by far the most stunning and most puzzling aspect of 9/11.

    Hey Erebus; always lovely to read you.

    Thanks for highlighting these additional, very characteristic, engineering points: the dustification of steel and the time gap between underground explosion and building collapse.

    The general public does not realise it, but peaceful nuclear explosions (PNE’s) for economic purposes were carried out in very large numbers in the 50’s and 60’s. The USA performed 150 PNE’s, and the USSR 124. Nuclear powers intended to use NPE’s to creat water dams, build a new Panama Canal,…

    From the official CTBTO record:

    PNE’s had a variety of objectives: deep seismic sounding; creating underground storage cavities; helping to extract gas and oil; extinguishing burning gas or oil wells; creating reservoirs and helping to construct a canal.

    https://www.ctbto.org/nuclear-testing/history-of-nuclear-testing/peaceful-nuclear-explosions/

    It looks strange today, but in the 60’s, people were not so aware and conscious of nuclear risks.
    When the WTC was being designed, New-York was struggling to demolish the Singer building, an iconic skyscraper with non-optimised utilised surface. The stakeholders struggled for years to find a solution, and ended up demolishing the skyscraper by hand, which took two years.
    So when the WTC planning application was made, a great focus was certainly made on demolition methods, once building’s end-of-life comes.
    Because it was fashionable and acceptable at the time, the designers included a built-in facility for demolition by underground nuclear detonation.

    Once this is understood and accepted, the collapse of the WTC becomes absolutely limpid and all questions are answered:

    – The 290,000 tons of concrete and mostly steel making up each Twin Tower were completely dustified. The size of steel particles was extremely small, to the extent that they darken an otherwise sunny day on the videos. The extraordinary amount of dust generated that day is uncharacteristic of more “usual” explosion aftermath.
    The steel dustification happened because a blast from a nuclear explosion contains much higher frequencies than a shockwave from a chemical explosion (thermite, nanothermite, etc..). It has an incomparably higher level of energy.

    – The time gap between the underground explosion and the collapse of the tower, depending on charge yield, depth of burial, nature of the soil, and other factors, is characteristic of an underground nuclear detonation. The explosion creates a cavity, which roof is first sustained by the shockwave’s pressure, but collapses when the pressure drops, creating a chimney in which the dustified tower collapsed. This pattern is well-known and well described in scientific publications.

    https://www.osti.gov/etdeweb/servlets/purl/20528748

    At the WTC, this time gap was 12 seconds., It was recorded by at least two independent videos of WTC1, filmed in separate locations, where the camera shakes (seismic shock) 12 seconds before WTC1 collapsing.

  394. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Iris

    [Duplicating lengthy comments across multiple threads is very bad behavior and may get all your future comments trashed. Since you are an especially worthless commenter, that will be small loss.]

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • LOL: Rurik
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  395. @tac

    Well done. You have searched an archive of some 8700 Comments goung back many years and you have found one example (from 2015) which gives some faint colour to your allegation and does tend to prove that my memory is not perfect.

    Otherwise you again display your limitations. Far from your most up to date example, the second, being a case of my “requiring” or asserting the merit of peer reviewed research I was simply pointing out that Iris’s claim of peer review was false.

    The last example, from 2016 (which I can’t imagine you are sufficiently obsessed with what I write for you actually to have remembered when made your original over the top assertion, complete with capitalised “ALWAYS”) again shows that you are either desperate or intellectually limited because the subject is not whether some findings or opinion were supported by peer reviewd publication but whether someone was a nationally recognised expert in some field of study or expertise.

    So, two fails and one C minus. You really shouldn’t go round exposing yourself. You could try taking one of those courses given for and by people who are brought in to tighten up the language in their final reports of consultants who are incorrigibly sloppy but somehow are still accepted as thinking straight, which, admittedly, would be hard for you.

  396. @onebornfree

    Entirely agree! As I rarely read him I checked the record out of curiosity and I would be willing to lead a chorus of “for God’s sake have mercy on our saintly patient editor”.

  397. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    – The 290,000 tons of concrete and mostly steel making up each Twin Tower were completely dustified.

    No they weren’t.

    Even a glance at any of the overhead photos shows there were a great number of the external steel box columns of the so-called “chex” sections scattered around Ground Zero, some having been ejected several hundred feet from the Twin Towers. One was protruding from the Winter Garden Atrium, about 600 feet from WTC 1. Others from WTC 2 ripped the facade of the Deutsche Bank building, across the street, which was eventually dismantled.

    In addition, there are also quite a few long straight steel beams scattered around Ground Zero that are visible in the overhead photos. These long steel structural elements could have come only from the Twin Towers’ central cores, and/or suspension trusses at the very top of each tower.

    In short, there were plenty of steel structural elements from the Twin Towers that survived the demolition and were scattered around Ground Zero in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Most of that steel was removed and destroyed before it was ever inspected by FEMA’s Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT).

    However, there was an independent contractor who did have access to those steel beams at the WTC. Donald Friedman was a privately contracted consultant from LZA who helped NYC oversee clean-up operations at the WTC. He shared his up-close and personal observations about disturbing details on the heavy metal from the WTC’s central core, apparently unrestricted by any non-disclosure agreement:

    “I had misgivings about the core columns I was seeing… I was unhappy that the columns I saw lying on West Street seemed to be in too-good condition. These huge columns—the largest weighed more than one ton per running foot—were almost all straight, with clean edges at both ends. There were some dents here and there, but I expected a piece of steel that had been wrenched out of a building to be bent. I examined the ends of the columns every chance I got. Every welded splice at the column ends I saw had failed the same way: by ripping out of the steel.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2548935

    Previously you had asserted that the mass of each Twin Tower was 100,000 tons, a figure you said had come from a “valuable research paper,” but had failed to provide a cite for your figure when asked.

    Information I’ve seen indicates that the mass of steel in each of the Twin Towers amounted to 100,000 tons. Other sources say the total mass of each tower was 500,000 tons.

    Whatever the case, elevator cars, stairwells, toilets, filing cabinets and other large, presumably durable contents of the Twin Towers are nowhere to be seen in the debris fields at Ground Zero, and presumably those items, and others, were turned to dust.

    However, a great amount of structural steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 apparently did survive the demolitions, but no visible large craters at the footprints of each twin tower rules out any large underground nuclear detonation. Remnants of the central core of each tower are visible, seemingly roughly chopped off at about ground level, and remnants of the exterior box columns and arches were left standing at ground level, proving that most of the destructive action took place along the entire height of each tower, starting at the top and progressing downward in a spiral of destruction that, however it was managed, seems to have stopped at or slightly above ground level.

  398. Thank you Kevin Barrett for being a relentless anchor of reason and sanity, for your vast intelligence, for preserving the possibility of restoring everyday honor and cultivating human greatness, and for all the benefits that brings to most of us. Thank you Mr. Unz for your courage, wisdom, and intelligence in providing us with this platform. You and so many others here are growing the community we want to live in. It’s growing.

    “According to … Guyénot’s hypothesis, the CIA’s false flag fake assassination attempt on President John F. Kennedy, designed to be blamed on Cuba, was transformed by Mossad into a real assassination—and the CIA couldn’t expose it due to its own complicity. … The same scenario, Guyénot argues, explains the anomalies of … the 9/11 false flag operation. ”

    I haven’t read all the comments above, but would that scenario, for 9/11, be… Mossad’s prior knowledge of a US-Government plan for a false-flag attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 — leading to a separate Mossad plan to hit three rigged buildings in NYC with airplanes scheduled to depart earlier in the day than the flight that hit the Pentagon? (But who knows if they were even actual commercial flights.) So that the three NYC attacks would not be exposed due to the US’s complicity in the WDC attack?? Just wondering.

    Also, is it possible Flight 93, which went down in Pennsylvania, was intended to hit WTC 7? When it didn’t make it, perhaps because some thinking people defied orders to not follow routine and often-rehearsed national-security procedure, Silverstein et al. either had to detonate their explosion set-up without the planned fake cause, or leave standing a building they really, really, really wanted to destroy.

    I think it’s going to be impossible to restore traditional concepts of God into modern and post-modern thought. Many people just aren’t able to sustain genuine faith in an unseen spiritual authority. But people have struggled with this for thousands of years. In recent history, for one possible example, didn’t the Deists live by a philosophy that was based on a notion of God derived from human reason, hence was pragmatic and acceptable to people who weren’t persuaded by the idea of using divine revelation as a basis for civil foundations?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  399. Kevin Barrett writes:

    “The Epstein affair (like 9/11) illustrates two critically important truths about Western secularism: there is no truth, and there are no limits. A society that no longer believes in God no longer believes in truth, since God is al-haqq, THE truth, without Whom the whole notion of truth has no metaphysical basis.”

    That is utter nonsense. Kevin Barrett’s superstitions are not required in order for anyone to know the difference between good and evil or true and false. In fact, a morality based upon faith instead of reason is the easiest to overthrow and rewrite to suit the morons in power.

    Religion, rather than objective truth was the sand upon which morality was traditionally built and morality has now washed away with the superstitions that claimed ownership of the subject.

    A question never answered by those who think like Barrett: how do you know God’s rules of right and wrong are good rules? Might their goodness be obvious with no requirement for your religious superstitions?

  400. @Iris

    ….when the WTC planning application was made, a great focus was certainly made on demolition methods, once building’s end-of-life comes.
    Because it was fashionable and acceptable at the time, the designers included a built-in facility for demolition by underground nuclear detonation.

    It is impossible that such design considerations for future nuclear demolition were undertaken and absolutely NO history about it exists. There wouldn’t have been some super secret veil cast over the idea, because it obviously wouldn’t have contained actual nuclear material.

    Why go to such lengths to explain that a certain type of nuclear device was used. And the building had certain characteristics (the core as chimney, the deep basements and all that granite) that made nuclear demolition behave the way it did.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @NoseytheDuke
  401. /Might their goodness be obvious with no requirement for your religious superstitions?/

    Well, most of what God provides in the manner of Law is innately understood as such without “requirement for … religious superstition.”

    See post #118, which references the classic text Philosophus Autodidactus.

    To claim our reason necessarily stands in opposition to God is to construct a false dichotomy.

  402. Alden says:
    @tac

    Best to ignore the wiz.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  403. Iris says:
    @Just another serf

    It is impossible that such design considerations for future nuclear demolition were undertaken and absolutely NO history about it exists.

    The larger public was not informed for obvious reasons: nuclear weapons have been unpopular ever since Hiroshima. But the Soviet military authorities knew in detail about the WTC demolition scheme, possibly because of an official notification from the American side due to their mutual obligations under the U.S.-Soviet “1976 Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty”.

    This foreknowledge is one of the reasons why the Russians were able to connect the 9/11 dots so efficiently, and why Dmitri Khalezov was able to write such a detailed account.
    IMHO, Khalezov represents a group of Russian military and his debunking of the 9/11 false flag attack was a revenge for the kidnapping and imprisonment of “arm trafficker” Viktor Bout.

    And the building had certain characteristics (the core as chimney, the deep basements and all that granite) that made nuclear demolition behave the way it did.

    This is a technical question answered by a number of scientific publication, all based on real nuclear testing.
    Below is such a publication from French nuclear authorities, based on testing carried out in Sahara granitic soil. A cross section showing the cavity where the charge was exploded, and the chimney that formed above it, is found in page 514.

    https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/36/010/36010804.pdf

    The effect of an underground nuclear explosion will depend on its “depth of burial”. To simplify, the shallower the charge is buried, the larger a crater it will create at the surface, and the thinner the layer of rubble (within the crater) able to contain radioactivity.
    A “safer” way to detonate a nuclear charge while minimising subsequent radioactivity is to bury it very deep in hard soil: in this way, only a long narrow chimney is created and soon filled with rubble.

    Unlike the perpetrators of 9/11, the engineers who conceived the nuclear demolition scheme in the 60’s were neither crazy nor criminals. They provided a more difficult demolition solution, taking the pain to design a deeply buried explosion chamber to minimise radioactive fallout.

    If the 9/11 perpetrators had deviated from the designed scheme and detonated nuclear charges in the Towers’ basements, this would have resulted in large craters revealing the false flag. So they observed the design.

  404. @Just another serf

    I don’t know if you are right or wrong on this but Iris has always seemed to me to be highly intelligent, very well educated and completely sincere. I am interested to know what you, and anyone else who is so adamant that Iris is wrong, think was the cause of so much steel remaining molten for several weeks after 9/11?

    Certainly different types of explosives were employed as outlined by Erebus upthread. There are seismic records of quite large explosions in each of the buildings prior to them coming down and these match witness descriptions of explosions that came from deep below. A janitor described being thrown upwards by a huge blast and then going over to the other tower only to have it happen again.

    There are lots of video clips of smaller sequential eruptions, likely a type of thermite, running down the building as it came down following the upmost sections exploding outwards but I can’t think what would create the degree of dustification that was visible.

    The very odd situation where large sections of vehicles are burned completely yet rubber tyres remain unburned and even inflated is also very puzzling to me. The biggest mystery of all though is what could possibly produce and ongoing reaction that kept the steel molten for so long?

    I appreciate the efforts of every sincere person who refuses to let this matter drop, which of course excludes the Wizard and Sean types who seek only to undermine and thwart all serious discussions.

  405. @Alden

    How old was Aisha when she married the Prophet Muhammad? Did Prophet Muhammad marry a 9 year old?  
    The Quran was written during the time of Prophet Muhammad and its 100% 
    authentic! Nowhere in The Quran is it mentioned about the Prophet’s 
    marriage! 
    But its mentioned in the Hadiths!  
    BUT LETS SEE WHAT THESE HADITHS SAY  
    The Prophet married Aisha 1 year after Hijrah! This is a known fact!  

    [MORE]

    POINT 1  
    According to Sahih Bukhari (which is the most authentic) of the hadiths!  
    According to Sahih Bukhari, Aisha is reported to have said that at the time 
    Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th Chapter of the Quran, was revealed, “I was a 
    young girl” 
    The 54th surah of The Quran was revealed nine years before Hijrah. So  
    Aisha was a young girl (jariyah), and not an infant (sibyah) at that time!  
    THE PROPHET MARRIED AISHA ONE YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO  
    NOW WE KNOW SHE WAS A YOUNG GIRL, 9 YEARS BEFORE HIJRAH. 

    SO EVEN IF FOR EXAMPLE SHE WAS 7 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE  
    SAID “I WAS A YOUNG GIRL”, THEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET  
    10 YEARS AFTER THAT!  
    WHICH MEANS SHE WAS OVER 17 YEARS OLD WHEN THE  
    PROPHET MARRIED HER!  
    POINT 2  
    According to a number of narratives, Aisha accompanied the Muslims in the 
    Battle of Badr and Uhud. It was usual for women to accompany men in 
    battle so they can help in looking after the wounded. 
    It was a strict rule that noone under the age of 15 was allowed to accompany  
    anyone in battle!  
    BATTLE OF BADR WAS 2 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH AND BATTLE OF  
    UHUD WAS 3 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH!  
    REMEMBER PROPHET MUHAMMAD MARRIED HER 1 YEAR  
    AFTER HIJRAH!  
    WHICH MEANS SHE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN 9 YEARS OLD  
    WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER> 
    POINT 3  
    It is a known fact that the Asma, (the elder sister of Aisha) was 10 years 
    older than Aisha. It is reported that Asma died 73 years after Hijrah when 
    she was 100 years old! Now, Obviously if Asma was 100 years old 73 years after Hijrah, then Asma  
    should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah!  
    If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at Hijrah, then Aisha would be 17 or 18  
    years old at Hijrah!  
    REMEMBER PROPHET MUHAMMAD MARRIED AISHA 1 YEAR  
    AFTER HIJRAH!  
    SO THAT MEANS AISHA WAS 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE  
    GOT MARRIED!

  406. Robjil says:
    @AhaMoments

    Deism,as practiced in France Reign of Terror, was beginning of the irrationality that we find today in the west. This French experiment of forced feed Deism as an instrument of power messed up the name of Deism. Another name besides Deism should be used to explain a belief in God outside the set religions. Deism as practiced in the French Revolution was similar to the Old Testament God. He was an avenger God who sent dissidents to the guillotine. This Deist God of the French Revolutionaries was not a gentle, understanding, or rational God.

    https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/cult-of-the-supreme-being/

    <“One observer reported: “After the ceremony [the people] went to their homes with the tranquility and the propriety of a nation truly free. Today they have rejoiced at the change of place of the guillotine. I have heard a great number of citizens say: ‘With this change, the sword of the law will lose none of its effect, and we can enjoy a promenade which will become the finest in Europe’. According to Michelet, other people believed that the new cult also signalled an end to the executions. But far from signifying [this] it preceded, by just a few hours, the onset of what has been called the Great Terror. Indeed, two days after the Festival of the Supreme Being, the Convention voted the Law of 22 Prairial, submitted by Couthon (and generally thought to have been inspired by Robespierre).”

  407. Sparkon says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I am interested to know what you, and anyone else who is so adamant that Iris is wrong, think was the cause of so much steel remaining molten for several weeks after 9/11?

    Is there only one explanation for the molten metal? Does an underground nuclear explosion fit all the evidence?

    You say Iris is “highly intelligent, very well educated and completely sincere.” Funny, I don’t quite see it that way, and I must now ask how you determined Iris’s alleged sincerity, and why you are so willing to overlook her many gaffes, reckless accusations, and entirely false statements?

    ” The 290,000 tons of concrete and mostly steel making up each Twin Tower were completely dustified.”

    — Iris

    I guess when you appear to be smart and sincere, you can spew that kind of BS, and some people will gobble it up like candy, but after Iris accused me of hating the Kennedys and being a Zionist, I really must doubt both her sincerity and her intelligence.

    Iris’s idea — actually Dimitri A. Khalezov’s original conjecture — about underground nukes is already pretty much debunked by the lack of any visible crater beneath either of the Twin Towers, so there must be some other explanation for the hot metal.

    You can’t do that with an underground nuclear detonation.

    However, you might be able to do it by igniting a chain of micro nukes and directing their blast energy upwards, starting at the top and proceeding downward like a string of nuclear ladyfingers, with the last being detonated at or just above ground level, which additionally explains how some of the exterior walls with their signature arches managed to stay standing.

    It might also explain how there came to be a mass of molten metal among and/or beneath the buildings’ debris, gravity usually having final say in such matters.

    Altogether, Dimitri A. Khalezov’s wild theory is completely absurd and entirely unbelievable, akin to grade B adventure novel scribbling — pulp fiction at its worst. Why anyone believes any of it is entirely beyond me.

    Final bonus question: What was the source or cause of the molten metal photographed pouring out of the northeast corner of WTC 2 just moments before it was destroyed ? Could an underground or basement nuclear explosion have caused that molten metal to pour from the 80th floor?

  408. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    I’m aware of some of the history of PNEs, and the subterranean explosions under the WTC may well have been a variant on them. Pools of molten steel persisting for months afterwards are hard to account for without a persistent source of energy of sufficient intensity to overcome the heatsink effects of the surrounding debris and ground. Nuclear fits the bill, and nothing else I can think of does. As all that was stealthily removed, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that what was witnessed was in fact pools of molten fissile materials that hadn’t detonated properly.

    However, I’m not sure I understand the rest of what you say correctly. Are you saying that the subterranean explosions were responsible for the entirety of the demolition sequence? If so, you’ve lost me. Whatever the nature of those explosions, I can’t see a mechanism that would cause what we saw happen.

    The rest of this post stems from that (mis?)understanding of your suggestion. If I’m tilting at windmills, I’m happy to stand corrected.

    It is important to note that the demolition sequence in both towers proceeded almost identically.

    All, or almost all, of the columns in the towers failed from the top, or very near it. Moreover, they failed in a moving sequence of failures which consistently occurred where the load supported by the column was lowest. The sequence moved so quickly that within milliseconds of having been relieved of its load, that section of columns would fail. This occurred some 170 times as the towers’ height was progressively reduced.

    This fact alone flies in the face of millennia of civil engineering experience.

    Columns, so long as they stay in column (namely vertical) are in pure compression. Compression loads are always higher at the base than at the top (gravity being what it is) so when we’ve seen columns fail, they have always failed at the bottom when the compression load exceeded the compression strength of the material they were made from. Those loads are necessarily highest at the bottom where the column is carrying both its own mass and the mass of whatever it’s holding off the ground.

    Absent some gross manufacturing defect (eg: a void or fissure), or a materially significant side force that puts a part of the column in sufficient tension as to bring it out of column, they NEVER fail at the top, or even in the middle. That is true whatever the material the column was made of (assuming, of course, that it is homogeneous). That is why you can place a 100kg block on a champagne glass. If you do it carefully so as not to introduce a tension component (eg: squarely), the glass will hold it up indefinitely without breaking.

    You appear to be suggesting that the “nukes in the basement” had sent such shockwaves through the building structure as to so weaken both the building structure and its contents at the crystal/molecular level that it disintegrated shortly thereafter.

    If so, the theory violates at least two principles. One of course is the long known failure modes of columns as above, but also ignores the losses that occur as an energetic wave moves through a medium.

    If the explosions happened at the bottom, we’d expect the first and most complete disintegration at the bottom, where the shockwave was most energetic. Instead, we saw the destruction move from the points furthest away from the energy source towards those closer.

    IOW, from both the energy wave and structural load perspectives, we saw exactly the opposite of what one would expect, and therein lies the puzzle.

    FWIW, I lean towards the idea that the subterranean explosions had much less to do with the towers than with the destruction of the lesser buildings in the rest of the WTC complex. The WTC7 anomaly has proved troublesome enough for the narrators, but 4 or 5 controlled demolitions a la WTC7 would have been noticed early and so would’ve devastated the storyline at the outset. As it is, the whole complex was as good as destroyed and nobody said a word.

    What remains, for me, the most interesting part of the demolition events that day is the destruction of the free-falling ~20 floor top section of WTC2. Physically disconnected from the rest of the forces in play at the moment it started rotating away, it nevertheless disintegrated some time before hitting the ground when it could be expected to hit the ground roughly intact. That suggests that each building component, or component group, was targeted individually, and then destroyed in a sequence of distinct events the timing, and perhaps intensity, of which could be controlled in real time.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  409. Is there only one explanation for the molten metal? Does an underground nuclear explosion fit all the evidence?

    I thought I’d covered that with “Certainly different types of explosives were employed as outlined by Erebus upthread. ”

    I did say Iris is highly intelligent, very well educated and completely sincere and I formed that impression based on her comment history. I think she’s much better qualified to elaborate on her own comments than I am but she’d possibly agree that she’s not infallible either.

    Final bonus question: What was the source or cause of the molten metal photographed pouring out of the northeast corner of WTC 2 just moments before it was destroyed ? Could an underground or basement nuclear explosion have caused that molten metal to pour from the 80th floor?

    Good point but I think we’re back to what Erebus wrote, “For myself, the systematically controlled molecular disassociation of dense materials including metals is by far the most stunning and most puzzling aspect of 9/11. What role the subterranean explosions played is going to remain problematic until the mechanism(s) used to execute the “real” demolition are explicated. The subterranean explosions may have set the stage, but the play happened high above.”

  410. @NoseytheDuke

    I don’t know if you are right or wrong on this but Iris has always seemed to me to be highly intelligent, very well educated and completely sincere. I am interested to know what you, and anyone else who is so adamant that Iris is wrong,

    I simply find the concept of special chambers for a future nuclear demolition of the WTC having been planned and completed, AND no one associated with the project having ever corroborated this fact, I find that ridiculous.

    Otherwise, for me, Heinz Pommer’s work tells the story. And also, there were no commercial jets crashing into the buildings. Because no one would have introduced that unnecessary complexity.

  411. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    Hello Erebus; thanks for raising so many interesting points.

    IMHO, looking at the collapse of the WTC primarily from the structural aspect is not as strong a proof as the thermal transfer aspect.

    The three characteristics of a controlled demolition (symmetrical collapse, in own footprint, at acceleration close to gravity) have been correctly identified by the 9/11 Truthers.
    The actual structural demolition method, however, has been object of many genuine but inconclusive debates; there is simply not enough information to reach a conclusion .

    On the other hand, looking at the WTC catastrophe under the angle of thermal science does allow to reach a single conclusion, at the exclusion of all other possibilities.

    The qualitative aspects are, for starters, extremely telling:
    – The molten-steel level temperatures, lasting for over 100 days, were recorded at the WTC , but not at the Pentagon, despite both site allegedly suffering the same type of attack.

    – In accordance with Thermodynamics 2nd Principle, heat transfers towards lower temperatures. The WTC fires would have to be burning at a temperature superior to steel melting point to generate the molten metal observed. Of the combustibles present, paper and wood burn at much lower temperature, and petrol consumes too quickly. So, what caused the steel to melt?.

    – After the fires were officially extinguished, an aerial thermographic image taken in February 2002 still shows a hot spot at WTC1. This proves that the fires were the consequence of the heat, and not its cause.

    http://www.usavsus.info/WTC-911/WTC07-lg-map-therm3.jpg

    No chemical reaction can produce heat from underground in absence of oxygen, and for so long. (There are relative exceptions: TNT does explode without oxygen, but it does no “burn” over long periods of time. )

    The quantitative aspect has been assessed using the equation of natural convection, which is only a low estimate. The exponential decay formula calculates how much initial energy was available when the heat transfer from the WTC ground to the open atmosphere commenced. The calculation returns a staggering 10^15 Joules.

    To produce such a gigantic amount of energy would have required in the order of 100,000 tons of chemical energy carrier (petrol, wood, ..), or only 10 tons of nuclear energy carrier.

    The first possibility is unrealistic, compared to the weight of the buildings. Each of the Twin Towers was deemed to have a mass between 100, 000 tons (NIST) to 290,00 tons (G. Urich). There was nowhere to hide and store 100,000 tons of fuel.
    The only possible explanation acceptable from a Physics viewpoint is that nuclear fuel was used underground of the WTC.

    • Replies: @Tony Ryals
    , @Sparkon
  412. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    You appear to be suggesting that the “nukes in the basement” had sent such shockwaves through the building structure as to so weaken both the building structure

    Once it has been established unequivocally that the WTC long-lasting heat transfer could only have been caused by compact nuclear fuel, able to generate heat from underground without need for oxygen, and thus remain “invisible”, the structural failure can be looked at under this new angle.

    The reliance on mini-nuclear bombs planted in the buildings must be ruled out, first because 10 tons of nukes are impossible to hide, and more importantly because the characteristic effects of aerial nuclear explosion did not take place. We all know how Hiroshima looked like.

    We don’t know how a demolition by underground nuclear explosion unfolds, because we had never seen one before 9/11. What it resembles most is photo such as this one, taken at the 1962 Sedan explosion in the Arizona desert:

    The experimental knowledge we have of PNE’s allows to understand what happened to the WTC.
    The detonation chamber would have been designed by professional engineers to be at an optimised depth:
    – The deeper reduces radiation fallout.
    – The shallower allows the chimney created above the explosion cavity to reach the building’s basement and collapse the ground underneath it.

    When the underground nuclear charge exploded, it generated a shockwave that shattered the building. The effect of the shockwave decreases as the inverse of the square distance from the explosion chamber; so the basis of a tower would have been much more shattered than the top.
    It retained an apparent stability for a few seconds, then when the cavity’s roof collapsed, it was engulfed within the chimney.

    As you very astutely noticed, the difference of height between WTC7 and WTC1&2 meant that, assuming charges of identical yield were used, WTC7 was entirely shattered because it was shorter and its top closer to the explosion cavity. Hence, it produced an almost perfect demolition pattern, proven by its measured free-fall speed.

    On the other hand, the tops of WTC1&2 were not as perfectly shattered as their bases because the Twin Towers were so long. Hence the “messier” fall and seemingly detached movement of WTC2’s top you noted.

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  413. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hello Nosey; thanks ever so much for your kind words. I am not sure I deserve them, but like you, I am genuinely revolted by the 9/11 odious crime, which not only resulted in millions dying, but has also turned our everyday life into a sad dystopian nightmare. Best.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  414. @Iris

    Hello Iris, there’s no need to thank me, I wrote what I did about you because I believe it to be so. The simple truth is that nobody here knows for certain the how or what was used to achieve what took place and sadly, there has never been a genuine investigation so the perpetrators remain at large and more emboldened than ever before.

    We can speculate all we like here (Thanks to Ron Unz) but as the years roll by it seems ever more likely that the facts will never come out because even though a growing number of people are aware that the official narrative is pure fiction, still more cling to the absurd, impossible stories and even defend them when they are called into question. The airwaves are full of this at this time and more and more fictional accounts are still being created and added to the existing accounts in order to support and reinforce the lies. Sad indeed. Cheers

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  415. @DaveE

    You do know the King County Superior Court and the Washington State Supreme Court are not the same legal entity, don’tcha? (sighs) I’ve spent a total of 8 minutes in my life going over your horseshit and that’s more than enough for 10 lifetimes. Goodbye and good luck with whatever you think the coming wars are. You’re gonna need it.

    • Troll: AnonStarter
  416. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    But Iris, why would a column carrying 2x the load, and having been exposed to 4x the energetic shockwave outlast one carrying 1/2 the load and exposed to 1/4 the shockwave?

    I’m willing to entertain nukes in the basement, the molten pools are otherwise inexplicable, but the essentially perfect, floor by floor sequence of identically energetic failures makes any explanation based on a single energetic event problematic.

    Each floor is different, with different dynamic and static loads depending on the characteristics of their occupancy. If the shockwave created an natural/organic resonance in the structure, its effects would differ floor to floor, and so it would fall into entropy rather quickly – within a very few cycles.

    What we saw was forced, with energy being injected at every stage, and if resonance played a role (which one of my own pet theories/conjectures claims) it would be related to the sort of forced oscillation that shatters wine glasses (with or without the 100kg block).

    Parenthetically, one of the empirical features of the towers’ collapse that can be seen as another dog-that-didn’t-bark is how quietly they fell. The kind of explosions that displace 100s of tons of material, essentially in open air, are deafeningly loud. A quick succession of 100 of such explosions going off should have showed up on the closest videos and in witness accounts. Yet, all I’ve ever heard about (EG: from the firefighters) is the noise made by the “squibs” blowing out just ahead of the collapsing floors.

    That suggests the floors weren’t exploded in a conventional way and forced oscillation is the first place I look when I see things “destroy themselves” energetically.

    • Replies: @Iris
  417. @Iris

    I don’`t trust Wikipedia for its Zionist bias and other lies and cover ups for ruling elites I quote them below re thermite supplying its own oxygen….

    Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen and does not require any external source of air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered, and may ignite in any environment given sufficient initial heat

    • Replies: @Iris
  418. Of course they are not really “Jews”, it would be more accurate to call them Talmudists. And when anyone refers to Israel, call it anti-Semitic Israel. Israel is the most anti-Semitic country in the world. They hate and kill more Semitic peoples than anyone. As Arabs and Palestinians are Semitic people. Talmudists are also racist, but the lying mainstream media never point that out. God will judge them all, eventually.

  419. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    The three characteristics of a controlled demolition (symmetrical collapse, in own footprint, at acceleration close to gravity) have been correctly identified by the 9/11 Truthers.

    — Iris

    Wrong.

    The image shows the remains of WTC 6 on the right and WTC 1 on the left. Note that both “chex” sections and columns from the central core of WTC 1 have been blown out well beyond the footprint of WTC 1, with a few of the “chex” sections somehow ending up at the bottom of the big hole in WTC 6, i.e. in Bldg. 6’s footprint.

    Again, the Twin Towers did not collapse or fall into their own footprints on 9/11. Instead, significant structural elements and debris from both of the Twins was blown outward well beyond the respective footprints of either tower.

    Serious students of 9/11 will have studied the overhead photographs, which show clearly that the Twin Towers DID NOT fall into their own footprints. People parroting the “Twin Towers fell into their own footprints” mantra are either ignorant or spreading disinformation. Bldg. 7 did fall mostly into its own footprint, but the big Twins did not.

    (Note that I sometimes use Dr. Judy Woods’ images not because I subscribe to her DEW theories (I don’t), but because she has by far the best collection of relevant photographs, and also presents good evidence but reaches the wrong conclusion.)

    Likewise, the issue of the so called “molten steel” beneath the WTC is not firmly established, and there are conflicting statements from some of the experts involved, for example

    AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. “Yes,” he said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

    But this also from Loizeaux in an email:

    Here is what he wrote to me today at 10:38 PST:

    Mr. Bryan:

    I didn’t personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being “dipped” out by the buckets of excavators. I’m not sure where you can get a copy.

    Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation.

    Regards,
    ==========================

    Mark Loizeaux, President
    CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.

    http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

  420. Iris says:
    @Tony Ryals

    I quote them below re thermite supplying its own oxygen….

    You are very correct.
    The generic chemical formula for thermite is : (Fe2O3 +2 Al).
    Aluminium presents a very strong chemical affinity towards Oxygen.
    When ignited, Aluminium (Al) attracts the Oxygen (O) atoms and separates them from iron (Fe), all within a violent, highly-energetic exothermic chemical reaction.

    So you are right, thermite contains its own oxygen and uses it to “explode”, i.e. to liberate a high quantity of energy over a very short period of time. But it does not burn steadily over a long period of time, like a combustible/fuel does, so thermite can never explain the WTC long-lasting elevated temperatures.

    https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

    On the other hand, the respectable scientific publication above has highlighted the presence of molten metal pouring out of WTC2 for at least 7 minutes before it collapsed.
    NIST has discarded this fact, alleging that the yellow molten material was melt aluminium from the planes. But molten aluminium has a silvery colour, so the yellow metal is more likely to be steel at over 1300 degree C.

    A kerosene fire burns between 400 degree C to 800 degree C: as per the 2nd law of thermodynamics, it can never bring a metal to a melting temperature higher than its own.

    So the flow of molten steel is undeniable evidence that a high energy-release substance (thermite or nanothermite) was used in the upper floors of WTC2. Possibly to weaken the building, but more likely to simulate the “plane explosion”.

    But for the reason stated above (explosive, not combustible), this thermite/nanothermite cannot account for the ground temperature.

  421. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    We can speculate all we like here (Thanks to Ron Unz) but as the years roll by it seems ever more likely that the facts will never come out

    Dear Nosey, you will be happy to know that, on the contrary, the truth has come out, that it is undeniable and that it very clearly pinpoints who the 9/11 perpetrators could be.

    In Europe, there has long been strong suspicions of nuclear demolition of the WTC: the alternative information websites in France and Germany were full of it.

    But something better than speculations happened recently: a Physics professor actually calculated the energy, released during the WTC attack, that could explain the 4-months long heat transfer. The calculation returns a value so gigantic that only nuclear energy can explain such heat transfer, nothing else could. The proof is irrefutable, Physics does not lie.

    Even better, he used very basic Physics laws, those taught in years 1 to 3 of University Physics curricula. Everybody with an average scientific background understands that what he did is correct; in the future, anybody can demonstrate the same proof with the same reasoning. The truth has come out and can never be hidden again.

    Imagine that an arrogant and uneducated criminal, who has no notion of DNA, commits a crime wearing gloves, but leaves his consumed cigarettes behind. The same happened with the vile 9/11 perpetrators: they swiftly “disappeared” the radioactive rubble, and camouflaged the effect of the blast’s shockwave with the alleged “office fires”.

    But in their arrogance, they did not think about the 3rd and most delayed effect of an underground nuclear explosion, which is the heat release greatly slowed by the thermal resistance of the ground. So thermographic photographs of the WTC were taken, released to the public; a simple heat transfer calculation reveals the false flag and narrows the list of possible perpetrators. Best.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  422. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    The very odd situation where large sections of vehicles are burned completely yet rubber tyres remain unburned and even inflated is also very puzzling to me.

    This could well have been caused by pulverized thermite falling over the cars; thermite would undergo an exothermic chemical reaction with the metal making the car’s frame and would “burn” it, but it would not react with the tyres.

    In other terms, the burning was the consequence of a chemical reaction that happened after something deposited onto the car frames; it was not caused by hot matter falling over the cars. Best.

  423. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    … a Physics professor actually calculated the energy, released during the WTC attack, that could explain the 4-months long heat transfer…

    Perhaps you could provide a link to that calculation. Is it in English?

    But for the reason stated above (explosive, not combustible), this thermite/nanothermite cannot account for the ground temperature.

    I agree that thermite cannot account for it except, perhaps if a very large quantity was stockpiled underground.

    I don’t know much about nano-thermite, but I can relate from direct experience that thermite is not what one would normally call “explosive”. Some years ago, I witnessed the use of homemade thermite for smelting chrome in a backwoods operation in Zimbabwe. There was no electricity, so this was the small mine owner’s ingenious solution. Large ceramic cauldrons were loaded with ore and thermite and ignited.

    The result was a pyrotechnical WHOOOF! that was visually impressive, but nothing resembling an explosive “shockwave” was created. A few hours of cooling later, the cauldrons yielded a 130-150kg lump of very high grade chromium which the owner sold at a premium that more than made up the cost of the powdered aluminium. One of those things that makes one go “WTF didn’t I think of that?”

  424. Rurik says:
    @Durruti

    I would not have used this image, as it is a bit disrespectful, and while it pictorally describes your insistance on voting for the so-called ‘lesser’ of 2 evils, I would never insult you like that. But it IS the photo you provided.

    I’ve been a bit busy paying the rent to post much, but I did want to get back to your reply.

    The photo was not intended to be disrespectful. Not at all.

    It was only to show my exasperation with people (I respect) who feel all is hopeless and that voting is irrelevant and that Trump is effectively no different than Hillary would have been.

    I guess I used the wrong photo. My apologies.

    There is no way out, no escape, from this Zionist imperialist Shadow American Government conundrum, by way of rhetoric, or by participating in CONTROLLED ELECTORAL FARCES. TV Actor, Money Launderer, and Casino Operator (God) Trump won the 2016 Pretend Election because the Rothschild Financial Oligarch Shadow Government of Epstein, Maxwell, Barak, Netenyahoo, and assorted bought or implanted Traitor ‘Legislators’ and Bureaucrats, pronounced him the winner.

    Perhaps so. But from everything I can glimmer, Trump caught them off guard. They assumed their control of the media, and their demands that Hillary would win, would be enough to guarantee that result. It was supposed to be a n0-brainer.

    But by the skin of our teeth, she lost. And few were more apoplectic than the neocons. Max Boot and Billy Kristol are still inconsolable. Ditto Conservative Inc.

    Trump was acceptable, or as you point out, he would never have gotten that close, but he wasn’t their first pick.

    Casino Trump was given the Part.

    That is speculation, and from their reaction, I don’t think they were amused with the result.

    We have not had a Constitutional Government since November 22, 1963. Our Gauleters/Governors are chosen by Foreigners. We Americans are an occupied and controlled People.

    No argument there, except insofar as the degree of control.

    If you actually believe in your narrow parameter limits of hope – where you rely on Foreign Controlled Elections as your only hope for the future, kindly understand why I do not agree.

    I hardly consider anything the ZUS does as “my only hope for the future”. My plan is to exit this asylum as soon as I can. But in the mean time, Trump having defeated Hillary, is a blessing I allow to wash over me with heavenly gratitude, every day.

    Not, (as so many would like to pretend), because I’m at all enamored of Trump. That’s beyond ridiculous.

    But rather, (and I can say this enough), because Hillary is, IMHO- the worst person on the planet. John McCain is dead. That leaves Hillary Clinton at the top spot.

    Can you imagine Trump cackling and giggling over Gadhafi’s (horrific) death?

    Can you imagine Trump calling every white American man who’s in possession of his manhood, ‘deplorable and irredeemable’?

    Yes, they’re both compromised by the evil that pervades our nation’s politics and beyond.

    But Trump is a reluctant war monger. Hillary is a cackling, frothing war bitch.

    Never mind all the judges that Trump is appointing and the Justices.

    Never mind that he gives a small shred of hope to an ignored and hated Red State America.

    Never mind that he’s heaped scorn on a lying media, and driven some very bad hombres out of our deepstate sewer.

    Never mind all of that.

    Just imagine hearing Hillary’s voice, hectoring us all ubiquitously from every screen in every airport or home we happen to find ourselves in.

    Just that. Just not having to see or hear her, unless it’s to see her coming psychically unglued week, after agonizing week, having been denied the power that she soooooooo lusted after, is reason enough in itself to be grateful for Trump.

    After All: I am an Anarchist

    Perhaps. But you seem to suggest that the reign of JFK was a time of legitimate government, whereas a proper anarchist never accepts the rule of any man or government over his absolute sovereignty.
    The closest to a true anarchist here at Unz was the inimitable Jacques Sheete, IMHO.

    Cheers Durruti. From one anarchist to another ; )

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    , @Iris
  425. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    Any decent person would have been hiding from the ignominy. But Dershowitz, Epstein, Kristol (and his MSM bosses) do not belong to decent people.

    They revel in their indecency.

    They celebrate the slaughter of children as their holiest of holidays. They consider chutzpah (hubris) to be something to brag about.

    Their god exhorts them to genocide and enslave their neighbors.

    >>sigh<<

    And Woodrow Wilson handed our civilizational destiny over to them.

    Who is worse, the Jewish supremacist who preys on others, or the Gentile who betrayed his nation and people to them?

    Who is worse, Larry Silverstein, or Dick Cheney?

    Not that it matters much, I suppose.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  426. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    What we saw was forced, with energy being injected at every stage, and if resonance played a role …

    Hello Erebus. Apologies for the late reply.

    The pressure created by the shockwave of an underground nuclear explosion is beyond the scale of the “mechanical” pressures we can empirically comprehend; they are more in the order of pressures existing in astrophysics phenomena.

    The thermal data and other engineering consideration show that each of the 3 WTC towers was brought down by an underground nuclear charge in the order of 100 kilotons yield.
    For such yield, the initial explosion pressure would have been in the order of 10^9 Atm ( one billion times atmospheric pressure).

    As the effect of the explosion progresses, the shockwave (discontinuous variation in pressure) would have broadly decayed in a factor equal to the square of the distance to the explosion chamber. At 300 m distance (100 m underground + 200 m mid-tower height), it would have a value in the order of 1000 bar/Atm.

    For a complete demonstration of the Physics proof, please refer to the excellent article, in English, by French Professor Francois Roby. It is an extremely fine work, very thorough and easy to understand at the same time. The 9/11 bogus official theory is completely and forever discredited.

    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696v3/

    • Replies: @Erebus
  427. Durruti says:
    @Rurik

    If you have 5 Anarchists in a room, they will represent 8 different organizations & have 9 different opinions.

    Durruti was the best of them.

    If you ever desire off website communication, [email protected]

    Please don’t turn this email over to MOSSAD, the CIA, or any Collection Agencies.

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  428. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Apologies unnecessary.

    Thanks for the link, and I’ve already downloaded the paper. Its a busy wknd ahead so I’ll read it over the next couple of days. Apologies in advance for what will be a delayed response.

    The first couple of things that strike me about your comment is the size of the bomb required (100kT is 6x Hiroshima) and the depth at which it would have to be detonated (100M is deep into the bedrock).

    Is there any evidence of either of these? The latter, particularly should be traceable in the engineering docs for the building, or in the maintenance records if it was done after the buildings were built.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Wizard of Oz
  429. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    “Who is worse, Larry Silverstein, or Dick Cheney?”

    — Silverstein is a foreigner by his tribal loyalty. Cheney is a traitor to his country and countrymen.

    It is incredible how little attention has been directed towards Bush the lesser, his handler Cheney, and their ziocon retinue. The main woes of the US are the result of treason in the highest echelons of the US government.

    The Adelsons, Singers, Silversteins, Krystols and similar filth would never dare to undermine the US for the benefit of their myth-based Eretz Israel if honest and patriotic persons governed the US.

    The existing business model of governance factors in neither dignity nor competence but does require shamelessness. Boeing 737′ falls from the skies illustrate the wrongs that have been undermining the US: Dishonesty, shamelessness, incompetence, profiteering by any means, including treason and crimes.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  430. Sparkon says:

    Don’t miss Whitney Webb’s latest article on 9/11 at UR, and please pay particular attention to that photograph she features where the workmen are cutting through intact steel beams at the very bottom of the seemingly intact basement structure underneath the Twin Towers.

    No sign of any basement nuclear blast there.

    http://www.unz.com/article/more-americans-questioning-official-9-11-story-as-new-evidence-contradicts-official-narrative/#comment-3446721

  431. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    Is there any evidence of either of these? The latter, particularly should be traceable in the engineering docs for the building..

    Hello Erebus.
    The dimension of the cavity and rubble chimney resulting from an underground nuclear explosion can be calculated from consistent equations already established in the 60’s by American, Russian and French nuclear engineers. See Teller’s “The Constructive Uses of Nuclear Explosives” 1968.

    The 1960’s civil engineers designing a skyscraper nuclear demolition scheme would have tried to provide an optimised solution to the following contradictory requirements:
    – Locate the underground explosion chamber deep enough to minimise subsequent radioactive fallout.
    – Use a nuclear charge with as small a yield as possible
    – Create a rubble chimney high enough to weaken the ground under the building and ensure a successful demolition.
    – Bury the charge shallow enough for the shockwave to shatter the building up to a satisfactory height.

    It must be stressed that these engineers were responsible professionals, who would have designed a demolition method that was acceptable by 1960’s standards: their first focus would have been minimising radioactivity as per the safety standards of the time.

    Digging a borehole at 100 m depth in the middle of a skyscraper’s foundations is neither outlandish nor difficult to hide. As you know, it is done by powerful drilling machines controlled by just one operator.

    Khalezov, who clearly has insider knowledge, states that the explosion chamber (or “zero box” as he calls it) was created 50 m under each tower’s lowest foundation (-21 m). So the chamber according to him would have been at around -70 m depth.

    He also claims that “horizontal” delivery tunnels starting at WTC7 and leading under WTC1&2 were added at a later stage, making WTC7 the central command hub for controlled demolition. Again , there is nothing outlandish in this claim: it is what engineers do all the time when they dig underground railroad tunnels.
    Underground tunnelling is done by boring machines manoeuvred by one specialist operator: only him would have known where the tunnel actually ended. The WTC embedded demolition scheme would have been a secret extremely easy to hide.

    Finally, WTC7 was host to critical intelligence and security activities; details of its engineering or maintenance wouldn’t have been made public.

    On the other hand, details of the demolition scheme would have been well known to Eisenberg, chairman of the Port Authority and Zionist notability who personally arranged the privatization that delivered the WTC leases into the hands of Silverstein and Lowy.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  432. Iris says:
    @Rurik

    It was only to show my exasperation with people (I respect) who feel all is hopeless and that voting is irrelevant and that Trump is effectively no different than Hillary would have been.

    Being hopeless would mean giving up and failing the defenceless children whose life is only starting; I agree with you, it is ethically unacceptable for whoever has the strength to resist.

    I am not American. Most in my very left-wing European family and social circle supported President Trump, and still do. I think people don’t realise how much discredited and abhorred the US government has become outside US borders. Bush, Obama, Clinton’s ZOG is seen as a hopeless association of crazed psychopaths determined to bring about a third global holocaust if they can’t control the planet. President Trump is perceived as the only hope left.

    It is very distressing, saddening, when the decent, honourable authors on this website (Dr Giraldi, Dr Barrett) express their distrust and disenchantment towards President Trump, moreover because they are so insightful on so many topics.

    There are however, little signs that things are different. Three critical cornerstones of ZOG’s power have been recently badly undermined:
    – Epstein’s indictment reveals the covert, systematic Zionist control over key political decision-makers.
    – A new University of Alaska study, 4 years in the making, proves that 9/11 was a false flag.
    – A new book by a first-hand witness, with mind-blowing evidence, proves JFK’s assassination was a coup d’état.

    Is this all happening by chance? I hope not. I hope that patriotic Americans are being encouraged and emboldened to get their country back.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  433. @Sean

    An interesting take on the supposed Larry Silverstein admission. Sounds plausible though I haven’t seen a record of all that Silverstein said on the subject. But….

    The biggest reason for disregarding Silverstein’s words as evidence of anything substantial – and for regarding Barrett as a fool – is, as you effectually point out – the sheer absurdity of the idea that Silverstein would make a gratuitous confession to a major crime. There’s so much common sense defying crap peddled on UR that Ron would need a big team of fact checkers and skeptical sub-editors to give adequate protection.

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  434. Anonymous[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    On your admittedly over assertive patchy record you deserve the benefit of the doubt. You were telling tac not to try and play out of his league and get demolushed?

  435. Leon says:
    @WorkingClass

    @WorkingClass, A fair and good question. There are many different factions within the Jew World with perhaps the largest being Zionism, Communism, Marxism and Orthodoxism and they all have different agendas.

    Zionism is the political movement for Israel and anyone can be part of it. Communism cares only about the State and its Power. Marxism drives all the political race wars happening now that the article talked about including the Hoax of White Privilege. Orthodox opposes Zionism.

    Then we have others who do not fall into the “ism’s” like the ADL, AIPAC, The Focus (Churchill’s Masters), The Mega Group, B’nai Brith (who funded and created Bolshevism and created MccArthyism to cover up their criminal activities with the Bolsheviks).

    Is Trump is a friend of Israel? If Trump is being blackmailed by Israel does that really make him their friend? President Wilson was blackmailed by the World Jewry to take us into WW1.

    Trump hates the Multiculturalism that is happening in all Western countries and that puts him against the Cultural Marxist that rule the Main Stream Media with the Communist.

    Lots of history involved in your question.

  436. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Hi Iris,

    After all that, my question stands.

    Is there any evidence of either of these?

    Do we have any documentary or forensic evidence of these chambers, bores, and tunnels?
    I haven’t yet read the paper you linked (been travelling), but if there’s no evidence that such were built (and used), whatever their officially stated purpose, then we remain in conjectureland.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve spent much of my life there, but I remain sufficient disciplined to know it lies somewhere outside whatactuallyhappenedland.

    • Replies: @Iris
  437. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    … the sheer absurdity of the idea that Silverstein would make a gratuitous confession to a major crime.

    You’re wildly off the mark again, WoZ. Silverstein committed no crime.

    In Silverstein’s mind nothing (NOTHING!) he does can be considered a crime. Silverstein, like all in his circle, cannot be criminals because they are beyond good & evil. The Goyim’s binary constructs such as Good & Evil, Legal & Illegal, Ethical & Unethical are inapplicable and can in no way inhibit the activity of The Chosen.

    For his ilk, 9/11’s ends self-evidently justified the means, and that Larry made a couple of bucks along the way is purely opportunistic. Nothing wrong with making a buck.

    Cattle ranchers slaughter cattle to make a buck. Nobody calls them murderers. Jews slaughter Goyim. What’s the difference? In Larry’s mind, none. That he blurted it out without thinking simply belies how deeply rooted is the weltanschauung these guys live & operate within.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  438. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    if there’s no evidence that such were built (and used), whatever their officially stated purpose, then we remain in conjectureland.

    Hello Erebus;
    It is not a conjuncture, it is a fact established by a scientific area of human knowledge. The fact that the demonstration is understood better by specialists does not challenge the validity of the proof.

    The University of Alaska’s civil engineers who simulated the collapse of WTC7, proving it underwent controlled demolition, used their specialist knowledge which the public does not entirely understand. However, the civil engineers adept of the official version do possess a similar expertise and should come up with a refutation, if there were any. The fact that there will be no credible official refutation allows the general public to understand who is right.

    In an even easier manner, calculating the heat transfer from the WTC ground does not even require computer-based simulation. Using information available to all, thermographic aerial pics and WTC molten steel photos, one can determine a time constant and a temperature gradient, include them to the century-old equation of free convection heat transfer, and integrate this equation to find out the initial energy that was released when the WTC was brought down.

    This energy being in the order of 1 peta Joules (10^15 Joules), one can find out which type of energy carrier was used. There are two types of fuels;
    – chemical energy carriers generate thermal energy thanks to reactions occurring on the outer electrons’ orbits
    – nuclear energy carriers generate thermal energy thanks to reactions breaking the actual atomic nuclei
    – the “energy released-to-initial mass” ratio is incomparably higher for the latter; about a 1000 times more energy is released by a similar mass of nuclear fuel.

    Releasing 1 peta Joules from the WTC would have required an astronomical quantity of chemical energy carriers, in the order of 100,000 metric tons, which would have represented a volume that couldn’t be hid and therefore could not have been present at the WTC.
    The only possible option is that a more compact fuel, with a much higher energy-to-mass ratio was used. The only known fuels that fits the bill are nuclear energy carriers; nothing else. This is not speculation, but facts.

    What is conjectures and speculation is the exact yield of the nuclear charges, their depth of burial, and delivery methods. Three nuclear devices, of 100 kT each, would have had 1 m diameter and 3 meter length. There is nothing difficult in building a delivery facility for such devices, much smaller than underground rail carriages. The embedded demolition facility would have been constructed by the usual drilling and boring machines, requiring only a handful of operators to be in the know. Best.

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    , @Erebus
  439. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    In short, the need to protect the bathtub, or slurry wall, holding back the Hudson river from flooding lower Manhattan rules out underground nukes at the WTC on 9/11.

    Additionally, there is absolutely no evidence of an underground nuclear detonation at the WTC on 9/11, nor was there any need for one, as the top-down demolitions were entirely effective in completely destroying the Twin Towers, and protecting the bathtub.

    http://www.unz.com/article/more-americans-questioning-official-9-11-story-as-new-evidence-contradicts-official-narrative/#comment-3448336

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  440. Leon says:

    I can’t remember where I read that Pizzagate was nothing but a distraction to get people looking away from Epstein and it is a valid argument. Looking at her other articles it may have been one of hers.

  441. Iris says:
    @Sparkon

    In short, the need to protect the bathtub, or slurry wall, holding back the Hudson river from flooding lower Manhattan rules out underground nukes at the WTC on 9/11.

    As usual, you utilise your Hasbara logics the wrong way around.

    The damage caused to the “Bath Tub” slurry walls, as well as the total destruction of the Twin Towers’ basement floors, are undeniable evidence that neither office fires, nor overground controlled demolition were the main demolition method.

    Only underground explosions could have destroyed underground structures to such extent.

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  442. Mulegino1 says:

    Although I believe micro-nukes to be the best explanation for what happened to the WTC on September 11, 2001, there is no need to be dogmatic about any how unless it leads to a who. But I believe that the how of micro-nukes tends to lead inexorably to the who of Mossad operatives. Given that all of the principle beneficiaries of 9/11 were either Jews or Zionists, Israeli involvement is almost certain, from ICTS to Silverstein and the “Dancing Israelis.” Who else would get a free pass from the FBI?

    It is pretty much well established among those who have an i.q. above the unheated room temperature in Siberia that the official narrative of 9/11 is pure, unadulterated bullshit and fit only for morons or those infotainment proles who are concerned (now that NFL season has been unleashed) with which Tyrone or Leroy has the ball at any given moment.

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  443. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    nor overground [sic] controlled demolition were the main demolition method.


    Sure, why would anyone believe their lying eyes when we’ve got Iris to set the record straight?

    Only underground explosions could have destroyed underground structures to such extent.


    AP Photo by Richard Drew, January 2002, h/t Whitney Webb

    Another photo for your lying eyes showing workers cutting apart mostly intact underground structure at the very bottom of the WTC.

    As usual, you utilise your Hasbara logics the wrong way around.

    As usual, you offer further proof that you are a complete nitwit.

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  444. Iris says:
    @Mulegino1

    I agree with your comment, but the WTC long-lasting elevated temperatures are more than a just an ancillary fact, they are also a blatant proof of controlled demolition.

    If somebody tells you that they have driven across Eurasia, from China to Gibraltar with just one standard car petrol tank, you would know straightaway that they are liars, no?

    This is how a Physicist feels when looking at the WTC’s building footprints and molten steel rubble radiating endless amounts of heat, in the open, for over 4 months.

    An extraordinary amount of heat was released, that cannot be ignored, that could never have been produced by paper, wood or kerosene, and which source was not visible.
    There is only one possible rational explanation for this otherwise incredible phenomenon, and indeed it points at the Zionists.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  445. @Erebus

    That’s just plain silly. Silverstein would know very well that conveying the fact that he was party to an arrangement to bring down WTC buildings – or just one of them but that doesn’t make sense for the truther case – could get him into a lot of trouble.

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    , @Erebus
  446. Sparkon says:

    Over at his blog, Dr. James Fetzer has been hosting several articles on 9/11, including most recently Patrick J. McShea’s “9/11: The Official Narrative Is Dying” where Dr. Fetzer has added his comment:

    James Fetzer says:
    September 15, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    Yes, of course. They were destroyed by completely different modes of demolition. With WTC-7, we have all the floors coming down at the same time, where there is a stack of debris equal to about 12% of the original height of 47 floors = about 5.5 floors. Had the Twin Towers come down by similar methods, there would have been a stack of debris (for each) equal to about 12% of their original heights of 110 floors = about 13.5 floors. But it wasn’t there. Moreover, both towers were blowing apart in every direction from the top down, while their floors remained stationary awaiting their turn to be “blown to kingdom come” in the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds; while they were being converted into millions of public yards of very fine dust (which, by the way, is a signature of the use of nuclear devices). So any who claim they were destroyed by the same causation either has never undertaken serious study of the issue they are addressing or else are obfuscating, prevaricating or otherwise (in the plainest possible language) lying. And they are legion.

    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/09/patrick-j-mcshay-9-11-the-official-narrative-is-dying/#comment-49870

    Indeed.

    Please take note that Dr. Fetzer’s descriptions of the disparate destructions of WTC 7 and the Twin Towers mirrors mine virtually 100%. Bldg. 7 fell pretty much into its own footprint, and left the expected debris heap. The Twin Towers did neither, as they were blown to pieces from the top down with debris ejected over a wide area well beyond the respective footprints of the Twins.

  447. @Sparkon

    Sparkon, do you know which building the AP pic by Richard Drew is from? WTC 1, 2 or 7? Thanks

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  448. @Wizard of Oz

    Now that IS funny! The Wizard of Stupid Comments having the gall to call one of Erebus’ comments “silly” might also be simply referred to as chutzpah.

    In case anyone here needs reminding, the often self-contradictory but consistently lying Wizard once posted that a possible cause of the WTC towers coming down was due to aluminium from the aircraft and heated to a high temperature by burning jet fuel had come into contact with cold water from the sprinkler system resulting in instantaneous and violent explosions.

    At the risk of being repetitive, what a human sack of shit this “Wizard’ character is.

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  449. @NoseytheDuke

    Never a lie. But I suspect that, apart from ad hominem irrelevance to the point about Silverstein – whixh is surely silly to deny — NtD has offered the moral equivalent of a lie by being reckless as to truth or falsehoof. It iis my recollection that I offered up for consideration report of an American and a Norwegian scientist who went through the reasons for supposing their might have been explosions which were based on aluminium in some form and water that could be explained by ripture of water tanks in the towers. NtD seems to have forgotten that the most plausible part of it was an explanation of explosive noises reported by firemen which, after all, were scarcely compatible with controlled demolition chages designed to bring down the buildings.

    And now to your explanation of what Larry Silverstein was inttending to convey with his famous words Mr Nose????

  450. Sparkon says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    As the distinctive and unique extra angled steel beams where the workmen were cutting are a perfect match for the construction at the very bottom of the steel framework of the Twin Towers, it almost certainly has to be from either WTC 1 or WTC 2.

    Wikipedia caption: 1968 view of the original WTC bathtub looking northeast. The frame of the south tower is on the left. PATH eastbound tunnel F can be seen in the center, penetrating the slurry wall on its way up Cortlandt Street to Hudson Terminal.

    Please see my comment under Whitney Webb’s article where I first became aware of this photo. So far, I haven’t been able to find this image anywhere else, but at MintPress News, and here at UR. Still looking…

    http://www.unz.com/article/more-americans-questioning-official-9-11-story-as-new-evidence-contradicts-official-narrative/#comment-3446721

    Richard Drew also took some of the iconic 9/11 photos, including at least one of the so-called jumpers, and I see he also took some photos after the 1993 bombing at the WTC.

  451. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    I’m now reading the Roby paper, and will comment when I’ve finished. So far, he’s made no controversial claims.

    You keep skipping around my question.

    The Univ of Alaska’s findings don’t indicate nukes-in-the-basement. What they found is that in FEA simulation, only a single, specific sequence of column failures resulted in a simulated collapse empirically identical to that seen on videos of the physical event. That sequence is so specific that it could not have resulted from random fires, and all other column failure sequences that they tried resulted in collapses that differed materially from the videos.

    From what I’ve read of it, their model doesn’t include nukes in the basement so I wonder why you think it has relevance here.

    Likewise, it’s difficult to see how calculating the total energy required to maintain elevated temperatures at “ground zero” for extended periods says anything about how the towers were destroyed. Yes, the subterranean explosions may have been nuclear. So what?

    Anyway…
    As far as I know, there’s no documentary or forensic evidence of the physical existence of the bore holes, tunnels, chambers, etc apparently required by your theory. If there isn’t anything, it remains conjecture, no matter how well the subterranean nukes theory works on paper. If such evidence exists, please point me to it as it could go a long way to telling us what role the nukes played in events. If the evidence is sufficiently detailed, it may tell us a lot.

    I have no idea what size of tunnels your theory contemplates, but TBMs aren’t small. Even a 3M machine (the smallest I’ve seen) takes plenty of heavy eqpt to deploy, and the machines, their crews and the supporting functions (excavators, cranes, pumping, haulage, etc etc) have to be tendered, contracted (and paid).

    Tunnel boring itself is but a part of what’s involved. There had to have been layouts, and documentation regarding how the tunnels were to be reinforced, backfilled, electrified, lit and ventilated. Switching controls, evac facilities(?), rail bed loadings, track gauges, sump pumps, etc etc etc would all be part of the set of documents released for the tenders and contracts. Likewise with bore hole drillers (mutatis mutandis).

    And we haven’t yet considered the vehicle(s) that had to be designed, built and delivered to run on those tracks.

    I’ll point out further that none of the above requires secrecy of any sort. Tunnel borers, electricians, backfillers, rail track/car contractors, etc don’t have to know what’s going to travel on the rails. They can be told anything that requires similar specs, or even nothing at all. They look at the plans/specs and scope of work for their particular job, they quote, they build/install, they get paid and go on to their next job.

    We have evidence of molten metals at the base of the collapse. I remember the reports, and also seeing photos of grabber cranes picking up debris with molten metal dripping from their jaws, but is there any evidence that the engineering and physical work described above was actually done?

    As it stands now…
    – We know there were large underground explosions that shook the ground and made a mess of lobbies in several buildings.
    – We know that the subterranean steel structure of the towers suffered little structural damage.
    – We watched material shattering failure in both tower structures proceed from the top down in what appeared to be a controlled sequence of >150 distinct, energetic events.

    I’ll continue reading Roby’s paper. As you said, it’s clear, easy reading, but at this point I can’t imagine that a single energetic event, however intense and efficient can account for all of the empirical evidence. Unless Roby can show how the energy was consistently transmitted to, and released/converted only at the most distant parts of the structure, we’ll remain where we are.

    • Replies: @Iris
  452. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As you obviously missed the double sarcasm in my comment, I’ll elaborate…

    Silverstein knew the illegality of it as well as Epstein (et al) knew the illegality of what they were doing. Yet, Epstein et al did and admitted it both openly and repeatedly. Remember Ghislaine’s words… “Those girls are nothing. They’re just trash.” That, in a nutshell is exactly how those people think.

    Whatever Ghislaine intended when she said those words, Silverstein seemed to have let it slip off his tongue by mistake – momentarily forgetting that Goyim may be listening, and that some of them were clever enough to put 2 & 2 together. He may have been a perfectly capable pimp and drug dealer in his younger days, but he’s not an experienced interviewee. Plainly, he forgot himself, and such discipline as he may normally apply in public was overwhelmed by the pride he must have felt at having been part of the circle that got away with the heist of the millennium.

    I don’t think it needs a more complex explanation than that.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  453. @Erebus

    I didn’t miss the fact that you are saying a tough successful businessman (whom, unlike you, I don’t see reason to compare with Epstein so as to treat them as though they are virtually identical in motivation and judgment) said something which he knew was an effective admission to, or at least evidence for, criminal conspiracy. Total BS and, to pile on the evidence of it being absurd, where was the interviewer saying “Oh. Mr Silverstein, you mean to say that explosives were used. Wasn’t that very dangerous getting them in there? When was that done?” And assuming the interviewer should have said that (on your version) but was too slow witted, where was the immediate follow up story on some rsdio or TV show, or in the Post or News where someone said “we tried to get an explanation from Mr Silverstein for his remarks which suggested explosives had been used on WT7 but were told that Mr Silverstein was not making further comment [so we just gave up]”.

    • Troll: Iris
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  454. Rurik says:
    @Durruti

    Durruti was the best of them.

    He fought the good fight.

    It amazes me that humans aren’t anarchists by default.

    Perhaps the only thing more bizarre than a man who presumes to rule others, is that others let him.

    Cheers, and thanks.

  455. Rurik says:
    @Iris

    I think people don’t realise how much discredited and abhorred the US government has become outside US borders. Bush, Obama, Clinton’s ZOG is seen as a hopeless association of crazed psychopaths determined to bring about a third global holocaust if they can’t control the planet. President Trump is perceived as the only hope left.

    I share their pessimism and their fragile optimism.

    A unbroken trajectory of Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton..

    would have resulted in a 21st century that looks very much like the last one did. Europe and Russia in flames. Orgiastic, uncontained ebullience from the tribe. Much like the ‘dancing Israelis’ as they watched the people consumed in fireballs.

    It is very distressing, saddening, when the decent, honourable authors on this website (Dr Giraldi, Dr Barrett) express their distrust and disenchantment towards President Trump, moreover because they are so insightful on so many topics.

    Well Iris, they have their reasons. Trump has been a big disappointment on many levels.

    He promised, and was supposed to end the Eternal Wars for Israel, not keep them going for perpetuity.

    But there again, I suspect he’s trying to swim in a sewer, and that can’t be easy. Lots of unsavory obstacles in such a pit of inequity and moral rot. But I’m still with him (barely), until he starts a new war. If we go to war with Iran, then I’ll have to concede that Dr. G and the others were right all along. And that Trump is nothing but a cruel ruse.

    There are however, little signs..

    I hope you’re right, Iris. And that there is an actual reason to feel some hope.

    • Agree: Iris
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  456. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    .. if honest and patriotic persons governed the US.

    The existing business model of governance factors in neither dignity nor competence but does require shamelessness. Boeing 737′ falls from the skies illustrate the wrongs that have been undermining the US: Dishonesty, shamelessness, incompetence, profiteering by any means, including treason and crimes.

    I suspect it has to run its course, Annamaria.

    It’s too bad the zio-regime can’t do a nose dive like the 737s, and take the zio-cons and their assorted US gov. filth back into hell where they belong.

  457. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    Likewise, it’s difficult to see how calculating the total energy required to maintain elevated temperatures at “ground zero” for extended periods says anything about how the towers were destroyed

    Hello Erebus;
    I am probably becoming tedious, so I will use figures instead of analogies:
    – The heat released by the WTC to the atmosphere was calculated by a classic integration equation, and found to be 10^15 Joules. This is only a low estimate, as only natural convection could be considered.
    – A standard 900 MW-rated nuclear reactor provides 500,000 MWh of energy per month, sufficient for the needs of a 400,000 inhabitants town.
    – 500,000 MWh of energy, if all turned to heat, would represent 18*10^14 Joules, so slightly less than the double of 10^15 Joules.
    – So the calculated fraction of the total energy released by the WTC after its destruction was equivalent to half the monthly production of a 900 MW nuclear reactor.
    – In other terms, the energy released by the alleged office-fires was in the same order of magnitude as that of a 900 MW nuclear reactor. A giant red flag, and a good indicator of what actually happened.

    The Univ of Alaska’s findings don’t indicate nukes-in-the-basement.

    Why would they?
    As clearly stated by Mulegino at 450, there are 2 separate problems: recognising that there was controlled demolition, and finding out “how” it took place.
    The 9/11 Truthers are correct in publicly addressing only the former, for the little research they are doing already gets them labelled “conspirationists” and “nutcases”. They only need to prove that the official version is impossible to, in theory, oblige the authorities to investigate and do their job.

    Unless Roby can show how the energy was consistently transmitted to, and released/converted only at the most distant parts of the structure…

    This method of destruction was actually explained long before Roby, and detailed in the 1960’s books and articles I quoted/posted.
    As result of an underground nuclear explosion, a shockwave in the order of 1000’s of kilobars is transmitted from the explosion chamber to the surroundings, decaying in a ratio of the square of distance to the zero point. The shockwave shatters everything on its way, which tensile strength it exceeds. Experimental values are represented in Graph 10 of the article.

    As a consequence, each Twin Tower had its lower part shattered by the explosion, up to the height where the shockwave had decayed below steel’s tensile strength. At that point in time, the top was more or less one, while the bottom part was entirely shattered and holding together only in a “metastable” state, as a pile of elements perfectly positioned on top of each other, but not connected anymore. After just a few seconds, the nuclear chimney’s roof collapsed under the tower, engulfing it inside the chimney without any resistance.

    The poor people trapped inside would have passed away almost instantly when the shockwave hit them; they were already dead before the towers collapsed.

    This scenario well explains the striking WTC2 collapse photo, where the top section of the building seems to crush the lower part. Best.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b688956c3a7813a5e28535824011fe77-c

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  458. Iris says:
    @Rurik

    I hope you’re right, Iris. And that there is an actual reason to feel some hope.

    The new book advertised by Dr Barrett about President Kennedy’s assassination is extraordinary; it is arguably the most important political book published in decades.

    It reveals the facts of how the Deep State systematically threatens, controls and murders American citizens up to their President, and how it is corrupt beyond reform, operating only for the benefit of the few.
    If such truths are now made public, then something is changing. Best.

    • Agree: Rurik
  459. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    I am probably becoming tedious…

    Not at all. You’re obviously earnest, have done lots of homework and (I now see) you’re ahead of the rest of us and quite probably on a trail leading to something important.

    I read the Roby paper, but unfortunately I’m not familiar with the material science of embrittlement, and so cannot continue where he leaves off. That he leaves off early is doubly unfortunate because it’s there that the secret to the entire nuke theory lies. However, that’s deeper water than I’m qualified to swim in.

    I wish Roby had focussed on that rather than spending pages on thermal calculations that at the end of the day can show that something really, really hot happened, but not much more. His presentation skills may make even embrittlement understandable for me.

    The upshot is that if an entire, large structure can be brought to a metastable state of partially embrittled material more or less homogeneously, but short of immediately/uncontrollably collapsing it, then relatively small disturbances/energy inputs can serve to trigger local catastrophic failures as required to bring the structure down systematically.

    IOW, the work involved in the dissociation (dustification) of concrete and steel would largely have been done by the shock wave, leaving little more than the energy required for orthogonal ejection of severely weakened material to do the rest. Sparkon’s “ladyfingers” need not be nuclear to get that job done, but I remain of the opinion that it had to be a “hybrid” operation to execute the “2nd stage” of the demolition.

    Embrittlement, metastability, and shockwave propagation through structures are complex phenomena. That anyone dared attempt such a thing in downtown Manhattan suggests an enormous amount of preparation and an almost unfathomable tolerance for risk. If the degree of embrittlement was miscalculated, rendering the secondary explosives inadequate, the scheme would be exposed to all.

    Years of very complex FEA simulations, followed by nuclear device design, followed by years of careful physical installation would be involved. It’s difficult to convey how time consuming and delicate simulations on that scale are. Hulsey’s group took 4 yrs of simulations to show how WTC7 fell. I’m guessing that, in addition to scale model experiments there’d be an order of magnitude more FEA work necessary to gain confidence in a scheme like this one.

    Nevertheless, it seems to cover all the bases and so ought to be pursued. The subterranean bore holes, tunnels and railcars, etc, however, are a distraction of no import. The crux of the matter lies in what happens at the molecular level as the shockwave travels through a structure composed of various materials, which in turn dictates how fault tolerant the process was. IE: How dependent is embrittlement, in degree and type on the shock wave’s rise time (frequency) & “Q”?

    Super interesting, Iris. No wonder they shipped off the steel before anybody was allowed to look at it. One wonders if the company that received it thought something was odd, or if the US’ backing of China’s accession to the WTO and MFN status the following December had anything to do with it. From there, a whole host of other questions come into view…

    Thanks for persevering.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Iris
  460. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    That the “tough, successful businessman” started building his fortune in prostitution and drug running is a matter of public knowledge.

    That puts him firmly on the same spectrum as Epstein et al, and most people would put him in roughly the same place, namely that part of the spectrum reserved for sociopaths.

    As for the interviewer pursuing Silverstein’s gaffe, ya gotta be kidding. If he’s a professional, he would simply ignore it if he wants to keep his kids shod and fed. If he wants to advance his career, he’d do his best to help Larry walk his words back. The very last thing a professional American journalist would do is call him on it. That’s a career ending, possibly life ending move.

    Wiz, if you ever learned it at all, it may be time to re-learn the lesson that pedantry cannot reliably, much less indefinitely mask ignorance and a lack of talent. Lack of talent is forgiveable, and if you did something about the ignorance, your pedantry would become more tolerable.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  461. Sparkon says:
    @Erebus

    I think you forgot to pack Occam’s Razor.

    Sparkon’s “ladyfingers” need not be nuclear to get that job done,

    Perhaps, but the dustification of a significant portion of the mass of the Twin Towers is more easily explained by nukes, as Dr. Fetzer suggests. Fetzer’s credibility is way beyond Iris’s, who in the past has strenuously proselytized for some really outlandish ideas — James Files and Umbrella Man — so in my view she has an established track record for spreading disinformation at UR.

    But of course she has assured us she is “a real person with a background in physics,” so there’s that.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Iris
  462. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    What paranoid BS from someone who wants us to believe he’s a great sophisticate and has made a great success of a hinted at career. So he flails round without a feather to fly with. Did it occur to you before saying that Silverstein “started building his fortune in prostitution and drug running is a matter of public knowledge” that it would be prudent to use a couple of search engines to see how well Silverstein’s name went together with prostitution and/or drugs? Maybe you were inspired by your bad memory vaguely remembering this

    POSTINGS: A Nude Dancing Club?; A Case of Mistaken Identity
    Print Save Share
    Del.icio.usDiggFacebookNewsvinePermalinkPublished: April 11, 1993
    Office towers, yes. Larry A. Silverstein owns those. He’s had his hand in stores, hotels and a mart.
    But a building in Forest Hills, Queens, that houses a nude dancing club called Runway 69? Could its landlord be the Larry Silverstein who is president of Silverstein Properties and a former chairman of the Real Estate Board of New York and a board member of New York University and U.J.A.-Federation?

    Well, no.

    Although news accounts of the Runway 69 imbroglio referred to Larry Silverstein, the owner is Lawrence Silverstein, of Forest Hills, who has said he was unaware of the tenant’s plans until the club opened.

    Larry, however, has been fielding dozens of calls from astonished friends and associates and politicians, seeking assurance that the Silverstein they keep hearing about is not the Silverstein they know.

    “I have to tell them it sure as hell is not me,” Larry Silverstein said. “I’ve also received calls from colleagues of mine asking for tickets. When that started to happen, I said, ‘This has gone too far.’ ”

    Lawrence sympathized. But he also saw some justice in this case of mistaken identity, as he is “always besieged by people seeking contributions” — from Larry Silverstein.

    *** *** ***

    Try some more plausible fantasy next time.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  463. Erebus says:
    @Sparkon

    Perhaps, but the dustification of a significant portion of the mass of the Twin Towers is more easily explained by nukes…

    Quite the opposite in fact.

    Have you actually read the Roby paper? If not, I strongly suggest you read it as it, or its necessary implications address every objection you made to Iris’ posts.

    I wasn’t aware until I read it just how much thermal energy was recorded at ground zero. No energy source I can imagine other than large nukes can generate such enormous amounts in so restricted an area. The intensity begs an explanation.

    He lays it out quite elegantly, using simple maths, and referencing papers from the early heydays of the nuclear era. He may prove to be wrong, but it remains the case that no-one else has put forth a better, or even any, explanation. That much concentrated energy can’t simply be ignored. If one is to tackle the question of “How?”, the thermal evidence has to be accounted for.

    IF embrittlement to the point of a near-metastable condition can be induced through the whole structure, but especially through the concrete floor slabs via Roby’s “nukes in the basement” (actually, “nukes deep under the bedrock”), you not only have no need of nuclear lady-fingers, you probably don’t even need high performance explosives.

    You just need enough energy to:
    [a] complete the dissociation of the metastable concrete and blow the dust out of the building.
    [c] cut whatever steel sections are still within their stable range into manageable chunks with thermite or similar cutter charges so they can be quickly dispatched to waiting buyers

    Metastable states are characterized by their stable appearance, while being in fact extremely susceptible to small disruptions. Like a pencil balanced on its point, it takes infinitesimally small inputs to knock it over. Relatively speaking, that’s what the towers were if Roby’s conjectures regarding the effects of the shock wave are right.

    A salient point is that significant amounts of steel did not dissociate. Much of the debris was steel, while the concrete slabs were noticeable by their absence. Very few chunks more than a few feet square were visible in any of the photos I looked at. Given 30k sqft of concrete per floor (~300CBM) had to be gotten rid of, that suggests that the shock wave’s rise time and Q was “tuned” to target primarily the dissociation of concrete, with other non-metallic (probably non-ferrous) materials as secondary. Concrete is particularly vulnerable to shock and there was lots of it, so one can’t be surprised it was targeted.

    Speaking of Ockham, stringing explosives over ~200 floors is surely a major enterprise no matter what nature of explosive is used. Chemical explosives are reliable, readily available and their implementation is widely understood, but procuring and stringing (micro?) nukes across that many floors has got to be a vastly more complex undertaking. It’s not clear that micro-nukes are even available at all, never mind available by the 100s. I don’t know, but I expect that daisy chaining 100s of nuclear bombs ain’t exactly a widely available skill either.

    OTOH, half a dozen big nukes can be had if a nuclear state actor is involved. Detonating big nukes deep underground produces very little ionizing radiation above ground, while detonating 100s of micro-nukes in open air would produce lots. Every dust particle, and by extension most of lower Manhattan would have been strongly radioactive. That we have no evidence of large amounts of airborne ionizing radiation at, or near ground level can’t serve as evidence they were used.

    So, I agree that Ockham rules, but it’s important to both understand what he said, and how it applies in the physical world.

    • Replies: @Iris
  464. Erebus says:
    @Anon

    Is that you Wiz? Can you do no better than “Anon”?

    Fair enough, I may have mistaken Laurence for Larry. As it’s not a salient point, and as I am rarely connected sufficiently reliably to the internet to go searching for points of negligible interest, I can let it go.

    The rest of your attempt to insult me, while significantly better formulated than your usual effort, died en route. Nevertheless, I commend all of the improvement and hope you can extend it past the morrow.

  465. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    The upshot is that if an entire, large structure can be brought to a metastable state of partially embrittled material more or less homogeneously,

    Thanks for taking the pain to read my comment, and for describing the collapse sequence with a clarity I could never have.

    You have very well understood the essence of the collapse mechanism: there is just one last thing you need to pay attention to, which is not intuitive and was established through experimentation.

    I will again be tedious, but the following is very important to understand what happened at the WTC.
    The result of an underground nuclear explosion depends on several parameters, of which the most important are the nuclear charge’s yield (kT), the depth of burial, and the nature of the ground (soft, hard, granitic..).

    For a given granitic soil and a fixed yield, varying the depth of burial of the nuclear charge will have the effect of greatly varying the aftermath of the explosion as per the image below:

    – a shallow burial will result in a large subsidence crater
    – at the other extreme of the spectrum, a very deep burial may hardly create any sign on the surface.

    In between these extremes, there is a very specific case (depth 350 on the picture) which was used for the controlled demolition. After the initial explosion and the creation of the cavity, all of the rock material above the explosion chamber, almost up to the surface, is shattered, hence creating a chimney still blanked at that stage. For a little time (seconds), the pressure resulting from the initial explosion is so high (billions of bar) that it sustains the shattered rock inside the chimney, as though it were a plasma.

    After the pressure has reduced, the shattered rocks floating within the chimney will fall onto the explosion cavity, resulting in the chimney’s top to collapse too, and the chimney to open to the exterior.

    Imagine a magician “disappearing” a subject from the stage, by suddenly opening an access hatch under his feet. This is what would happen to a building sitting on top of the nuclear chimney, several seconds after the explosion, provided the upper part of this chimney is close enough to the building’s foundations. Nobody will understand what happened, because nobody can see the destruction that unfolded underground.

    A conventional controlled demolition is made by distributed explosives placed at critical structural nodes, detonated at the same time, and creating as many local shockwaves.

    In the case of nuclear demolition, a unique, single and incomparably more powerful shockwave was designed to be generated underground: it was much simpler to control, but presented the downside of a shockwave decaying with the distance to the explosion centre. The top of the building would not have been sufficiently shattered, risking to fall sideways.

    Designing the chimney to receive and contain the collapsed building resolved the problem and perfected the solution.

    There is evidence that such thing happened: the LIDAR pictures of the WTC show a negative elevation (a dip, a hole) around where WTC1 and 2 used to stand, and where a stack of rubble would be expected.
    The LIDAR photo below was taken on 17 Sept 2001, before significant clearing works were undertaken.

  466. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    Hey Erebus; I explained this to Hasbara Sparkon many times over, but he is very lazy.

    daisy chaining 100s of nuclear bombs ain’t exactly a widely available skill either.

    Logics is not his strength, too.

    Aerial nuclear explosions are visible, no matter how small they are, but he can’t get it.

    All nuclear aerial explosions create a visible fireball , because the extreme heat generated by the explosion combines the Oxygen and Nitrogen present in the air to creates compounds such as Nitrogen Dioxide, which gives this red to yellow colouring to the fireball.

    If we can’t see any fireball on the videos, then there were no aerial nuclear charges detonated above ground at the WTC; they cannot be missed.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Erebus
  467. Iris says:
    @Sparkon

    You don’t even seem to understand the remark Dr Fetzer is making: he is essentially highlighting the difference of collapse mode between WTC7 on one hand, and WTC1&2 on the other.

    Erebus made the exact same remark at 415, which was logically discussed and clarified.

    It is probable that 3 loads of identical yield were used. The shockwave decaying as per square of the distance from the detonation chamber, WTC7 was “perfectly” demolished because it was shorter, while WTC1&2 were shattered only up to the height were the shockwave had reduced below the value of steel’s tensile strength, leaving the top intact.

    Try to follow up with more application; your trolling skills are degrading . You must be hanging around too much with the Confused Wizzard.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  468. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    Your problem is you don’t understand or respect the capabilities of CGI. Television images are easily edited. The same technology used to insert fake airliners into the video telecasts can also be used to remove objects.

    Plausibly, any bright flashes, or anything else the perpetrators didn’t want us to see during the demolitions, could have been removed, or covered up, with Princeton Video’s L-VIS, or a similar live video insertion system.

    What sets the Witt demo apart -way apart- is that the technology used to “virtually delete” the skater can now be applied in real time, live, even as a camera records a scene and instantly broadcasts it to viewers. In the fraction of a second between video frames, any person or object moving in the foreground can be edited out, and objects that aren’t there can be edited in and made to look real. “Pixel plasticity,” Livingston calls it.

    MIT Technology Review | Lying With Pixels by Ivan Amato

    I have written repeatedly about the use of CGI on 9/11 since the very beginning of my contributions at UR. I have already suggested that the initiation of both demolition sequences is CGI. Recall in both cases the tops of the Twins did strange things.

    The entire top of WTC 2 appeared to have been severed from the rest of the building — central core and the 240 exterior box columns alike – and was additionally somehow rotated on its axis before it just seemed to dissolve or fade away like a bad special effect.

    Even more revealing, as Simon Shack has shown, Mr. Khalezov had a copy of this CGI sequence for one of his videos, where the texture map for WTC 1 had been applied incorrectly, so in his version of WTC 1’s collapse, the building has the wrong number of exterior columns, and additionally they are skewed. Those who have worked with 3D software know this kind of flub is easy to make when applying texture maps to long, thin 3D objects. The existance of the flubbed 3D model is a big smoking gun proving the use of CGI during the demolition sequences on 9/11, and proving also that Khalezov is a disinfo agent.

    • LOL: Iris
  469. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    You don’t even seem to understand the remark Dr Fetzer is making: he is essentially highlighting the difference of collapse mode between WTC7 on one hand, and WTC1&2 on the other.

    Yes dear, and that’s exactly what I’ve been saying all along. Obviously, your reading comprehension is very poor, or you’re prevaricating, and as Dr. Fetzer said “they are legion.”

    http://www.unz.com/kbarrett/9-11-and-jeffrey-epstein-media-malfeasance-on-steroids/#comment-3449819

  470. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    I will again be tedious, but the following is very important to understand what happened at the WTC.

    Well, you’ll have a hard time being tedious after recommending (and then insisting on) Roby’s paper.

    For me, the critical “missing link” has ever been how to explain the systematic, floor-by-floor pulverization of the concrete slabs. It takes tremendous energy to break the bonds created by the irreversible hydraulic reaction that makes concrete. Roby shows a plausible mechanism that can reduce the locally required energy to an acceptably small amount. That his mechanism also explains other difficult phenomena such as the hotspots, the lack of visible debris, the odd damage to surrounding buildings, and others makes it all the more powerful.

    So my “missing link” has moved the next level. Namely, my lack of understanding just how marginally stable “metastable” has to be to readily create the phenomena we saw occur without Fetzer/Sparkon’s nuclear lady-fingers or something similar has become my new “missing link”.

    Put another way, the question now becomes whether a shock wave can be engineered to move predictably though a structure in a manner as to target a certain category of materials and bring them to near-molecular dissociation. If the answer is yes, then the big answers concerning what happened to the towers are at hand.

    I believe I understand Roby’s discussion about chimneys, suspended rubble and so on. There’s no black magic there, and it’s plain that the blast could be engineered to produce desirable subterranean features. That is part of its charm, but the big one remains his shockwave induced embrittlement. That, for me, is the money shot.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @z
  471. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    the question now becomes whether a shock wave can be engineered to move predictably though a structure in a manner as to target a certain category of materials and bring them to near-molecular dissociation

    Hello Erebus; apologies for the short and delayed reply.

    Pr Roby details the calculation of the destructive peak pressure in pages 27 to 29 of his article. He humbly mentions that he took the equations from Teller’s 1968 book on which he heavily relied.

    The plot for this peak pressure [Fig. 10] shows that even with a depth of burial of 100m, the peak pressure at the basis of a tower (radius 100) is around 1000 Mega Pa, so almost twice structural steel’s 550 Mega Pa tensile strength value.

    In addition to that massive shockwave, and from Teller’s book as well, he reminds the reader that any initial (pressure) wave that meets a change of milieu, an interface, generates a reflection wave in phase opposition. This interface is of course where the bedrock, in which the nuclear charge has exploded, ends and meets the building’s lowest slab, built upon it.

    The superposition of incident and reflected waves will create a negative pressure, and the overall effect will be a massive and further spallation effort on everything located at the interface, and down in the chimney. In other terms, the spallation effort will further shatter the piles, anchored into the bedrock, supporting the building. A very efficient demolition method was devised, for which calculations were readily available in 1968 when the Twin Towers were under construction.

    The demolition method above uses standard mechanical engineering equations. Using a single nuclear charge instead of several traditional blast loads makes no difference, as long as correctly calculated.

    For instance, here is a link to a 2016 Civil Engineering research article where the authors have simulated the demolition of a high-rise building by a single, nuclear blast load, with variable yield and variable stand off distance. Their plotted peak pressure (continuous blue line) is very similar to Pr Roby’s:

    http://ijsetr.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/IJSETR-VOL-5-ISSUE-7-2439-2449.pdf

    Pr Roby’s idea is as genius as it is simple:
    – He first tried to prove Khalezov wrong, and got astonished by the WTC heat release.
    – He calculated the energy released using a basic, unchallengeable equation. Repeating this same calculation will only take hours by hand, and seconds with a spreadsheet. It can be done by any good Physics BSc student.
    – The calculation returns a value of energy (10 peta Joules) in the order of that released over a month by a medium nuclear reactor (900 MW).
    – Because of the difference in energy to mass ratio, which is 1 to a 1000 between nuclear to chemical fuels, this proves without any possible doubt that nuclear fuel was used in the WTC ground.

    This is a fact, on which basis he then made hypothesis. He reminded the readers with the long-forgotten but very fashionable 1960’s nuclear demolition methods, and frankly, they tick all the boxes.

    There is no error in his calculations: although a Physics academic with impeccable credential, he has been dismissed from his job following his 9/11 article because nobody among his accusators can prove him wrong.

    One last thing: Dr Barrett has posted Heinz Pommer’s new article on the same subject, if interested. With kind regards.
    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_richard-gage-aia-discusses-new-u-of-alaska-wtc-7-study-9-11-anniversary/#comment-3452892

    • Replies: @z
    , @Erebus
  472. z says:
    @Iris

    Great comment. We are almost there…

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  473. Sparkon says:
    @z

    Really? The survival not only of the bathtub but also of substantial parts of the underground levels at the WTC disproves Iris’s nonsensical arguments. To help recalibrate your thoughts, here’s Dr. James Fetzer’s recent article at his blog, where he argues for the use of micro nukes to destroy the Twin Towers from the top down:

    Indeed, while it is appropriate to describe the destruction of WTC-7 as a “controlled demolition”, it is not appropriate to use the same phrase for the Twin Towers, which were “demolitions under control” but lacked the characteristics of controlled demolitions. The reason for having to have used a novel technique for their destruction appears to have been to protect the bathtub, which was an enormous dike within which the towers were constructed to protect them from Hudson River water. Had the bathtub been breached, it would have flooded beneath lower Manhattan, the most valuable real estate in the world, including the subway and PATH train tunnels, which they wanted at all cost to avoid.

    The use of mini or micro nukes, which have dialable radii and can be directed upward, means that the destruction of the Twin Towers qualified as the use of “Directed Energy Weapons”, which, according to Judy Wood, are devices that provide far more energy than conventional and can be directed. Set at 100′ in the core columns, they would have had a diameter of 200′ for buildings that were 208′ on a side. Their use enabled the destruction of both buildings from the top down in an effort to simulate collapse. But they were being blown apart in every direction and converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust. And this appears to be how it was done as the US Geological Survey dust studies substantiate.

    https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/09/jim-fetzer-what-really-happened-on-9-11-america-was-nuked/

  474. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Hi Iris,
    Just got time for a quick comment…

    We’ve been talking past each other.
    As soon as I saw Roby’s paper, I knew there had to be extraordinarily intense sources of energy in play. Hard to think of anything other than a nuclear source.

    Yet, we witnessed two very different types of controlled demolitions on 9/11 (and several apparently uncontrolled).

    WTC7 caved in on itself the way one expects in a professionally executed demolition. Hulsey’s study shows that a well-planned demolition of the ordinary sort could yield exactly what was witnessed. This begs the question of what purpose the nukes served in WTC7’s case. Absent the massive hot spot, nukes seem unnecessary.

    WTC 1&2 were radically different. Instead of “caving in” on themselves, they “blew out” in a manner unlike any other controlled demolition.

    To me, that suggested the nukes played different roles in the 2 cases.

    That the energy a nuke can generate is sufficient to destroy a building is a given. How that energy was harnessed and possibly augmented to create the effects we witnessed is what I was trying to move on to. In the event, Pommer’s presentation is exactly what I was looking for.

    I’m totally unqualified to critique his explanation, but it’s far and away the most comprehensive and structured I’ve seen, and a hell of a springboard for qualified people to develop further. It does indeed look like a solution is just around the corner.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  475. z says:

    RESPONSE OF HIGH RISE STRUCTURES SUBJECTED TO BLAST LOADS

    The total transient force acting on the structure is the algebraic sum of forces at both front and back end of the structure. It is important to understand the presence of an opening in the structures which make the situation more complicated in assessing the forces on the structure subjected to these high impact loads. However, in order to make a structure safe against the effect of blast loads, it should not have any openings.

    Could this explain the “planes”?

    • Replies: @Iris
  476. Iris says:
    @z

    Could this explain the “planes”?

    Hello Z;

    The 2016 article describing results of simulation for nuclear blast effects is interesting because it describes the physical phenomena, and the peak pressure in particular, that cause the demolition. These phenomena are universal.

    This article, however, is about aerial nuclear loads, where the blast travels through the surrounding space, then through the building, where openings, if there are any, are found to facilitate (offer less resistance) to the destructive shockwave.

    In the case of the Twin Towers, the shockwave would have come from “inside”, as it would have been channelled by the bedrock and the piles. Heinz Pommer has a theory that the “plane” explosions at the top were meant at somehow “channelling” the shockwave through the core central structure, but he does not back this by maths or physics laws, so I am agnostic on the subject. I always thought that, obviously, the “plane explosions” were meant at giving credibility to the “Arabs-with-boxcutters-and-imperishable-passports” story.

    Pr Roby provides 72 scientific references in his article, and bases all his reasoning on known physics and engineering laws, articles, books, reports of real experimentations, all readily available to the scientific reader . It is more adapted to my mental process. I will research his writings and come back to you.

    Meanwhile, this short, 1-minute long video based on official CTBTO information, provides a good visual description of underground nuclear detonations. Best.

  477. @Anon

    So Solverstein was “a professional”? Are you trying to have it both ways? What was a “professional” doing trying to achieve with his “pull it” clumsiness? But, more, you are missing the point – except for some nonsense about an interviewer being scared of someone he/she, for all we know, might have barely heard of before, and that is why it didn’t even occur to to an interviewer, with ears pricked up by hearing the supposedly sinister or at least puzzling words “pull it” to say “That’s an intriguing expression that you have used Mr Silverstein; I am sure many of our young listeners brought up on coos and robbers shows would be asking what was this pulling it about? Are you telling us it took more than getting out and letting it happen?” As you would might say “a professional” wouldn’t have ignored it but would have said “Sure, clumsy expression. Yeah, we talked and I went along with the need gor everyone to get out and let things take their course”. But no one, it seems, thought it odd enough to follow up when he used the “pull it” expression.

  478. @Erebus

    If you are getting on the nukes bandwagon you really do need your sensible wife or Mom daughter to help you with reality checks. If nukes were used there was absolutely no guarantee that it wouldn’t become known for certain and that would advertise the certain involvement of only a very limited range of possible perps. So… what possible offsetting advantages could there have been for those who had the overwhelmingly No.1 objective of getting the US involved in ME and anti Muslim wars? Ah, yea, I see; ObL might have liked it because it would …. no, that way lies madness.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Erebus
  479. @Wizard of Oz

    Do give it a rest, Wiz. Enough of your simple-minded trolling please, this is The Unz Review and thanks to the clever software developed by Ron Unz all comment readers can easily check the comment history of both Erebus and yourself. Should anyone choose to do so they would quickly ascertain that Erebus is smart, wise and consistently sincere in commenting while you are none of those things. I’d even go as far as to say that when Erebus cuts his toenails he discards far more intelligence than you are even capable of.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  480. @Erebus

    Missed you first time while reading intriguing reply to you….

    So Silverstein was “a professional”? Are you trying to have it both ways? What was a “professional” doing trying to achieve with his “pull it” clumsiness? But, more, you are missing the point – except for some nonsense about an interviewer being scared of someone he/she, for all we know, might have barely heard of before, and that is why it didn’t even occur to to an interviewer, with ears pricked up by hearing the supposedly sinister or at least puzzling words “pull it” to say “That’s an intriguing expression that you have used Mr Silverstein; I am sure many of our young listeners brought up on coos and robbers shows would be asking what was this pulling it about? Are you telling us it took more than getting out and letting it happen?” As you would might say “a professional” wouldn’t have ignored it but would have said “Sure, clumsy expression. Yeah, we talked and I went along with the need gor everyone to get out and let things take their course”. But no one, it seems, thought it odd enough to follow up when he used the “pull it” expression.

  481. @NoseytheDuke

    You poor obsessive bugger. A Daddy with a Bentley seems to have made sure that never getting into a decent university or doing anything to earn the respect of the smart kids left a deforming mental scar.

  482. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Stop digging. Your huff and puff has all been about something you don’t know – namely the terms of the lease – and you are as usual too lazy to find out.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  483. @Erebus

    That link only made the Abstract appear. I haven’t tried going further because I would really like some reason to go beyond his

    “Only the opportunistic use of a built-in nuclear demolition feature, designed at the same time as the World Trade Center itself, is a technically viable explanation.”

    Do you/does Iris seriously accept that as other than fantasy? (Iris in particular is a Roby fan).

    And, if it is fact and truth, where does it fit into the 9/11 conspiracies? Will we one day hear that Larry Silverstein was very impressed that he was being sold something with the latest pre-arranged demolition devices teady to be activated? Oh dear, that raises the awkward question “wasn’t Silverstein the original developer of WTC7?”

  484. @NoseytheDuke

    Now let’s look from another angle on those tickets you have upon yourself. No worthwhile degrees, reaearch or publication, but perhaps you had a good middle period. So, tell us (this is not impertinent. After all we have been told about Daddy’s Bentley and, closer to home those high earning days you have a few of each month). Tell us that you have been hired and paid as an expert witness, for what kind of expertise and…. Yes, tell us that a court (preferably which court but you may be coy) accepted you as expert. Then please tell us that it wasn’t a once off, that indeed the same lawyers hired you again and, impressed by your stalwart performance under cross-examination that no one reading UR threads would guess at, other attorneys employed you too. A pity you didn’t have what it took to be employed by McKinsey, Bain, Cresap McCormick & Paget, etc. – so no brain tuning at all.

  485. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Look Wiz, had you the cognitive chops to read Roby’s paper, you’d know that the energy source required to yield the very well documented and fully corroborated measurements taken over months, by several recognized agencies, had to be on the scale normally associated only with nuclear events.

    The energy required isn’t controversial. The surface temperatures are fully documented and nobody has challenged Roby’s use of the standard formulas to calculate the size of the source required to create those temperatures. His paper is unorthodox only in the sense that it comes to a discomforting conclusion.

    IOW, if the source wasn’t nuclear, it must have been some technology that is not publicly known. There is no 3rd way, and so we are forced to choose between the two.

    To choose the 2nd is to claim the existence of something that hasn’t been seen before or since, and for which no known theoretical underpinning exists either. Only a person of your peculiar (if not wholly contrived) incapacity for understanding the physical world could opt for Door #2.

    That there are contra-indicators such as the apparent lack of ionizing radiation means nothing more than that the proponents of the nuke theory must now show how that was accomplished, or show that the readings were either in error or otherwise compromised.

    In Roby’s case, that’s relatively easy while Pommer (from what I know of his work) has some ‘splainin to do.

    At the physical level, it really is as simple as that, you’ll now doubtless task yourself with obscuring the matter with psycho-babble and socio-political musings.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Wizard of Oz
  486. @Anonymous

    I do not recall requesting the appearance of a sock puppet.

  487. z says:
    @Erebus

    Why would it need to be shock wave induced embrittlement?

    Could it be possible that it was neutron induced embrittlement? eg neutrons catastrophically weaken the material then the shock wave is used to blow it all apart. Seems like if something like this took place we are in fact dealing with some sort of weaponized nuclear plant built into the towers from the beginning.

    Came across this the other day:

    EMBRITTLEMENT OF STEELS

    Neutron embrittlement. Neutron irradiation of steel parts in nuclear reactors usually results in a significant rise in the ductile/brittle transition temperature of the steel. Metallurgical factors such as heat treat practice, microstructure, vacuum degassing, impurity control, and steel composition greatly affect susceptibility to this type of grainboundary weakening.

    Which caused me to remember this page:

    Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel Suggests Explosives

    The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused “intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.” The New York Times described this as “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.”

    Is there a reason neutron induced embrittlement of steel can be ruled out in regards to 9/11? A&E911 has a page saying how a nuclear mechanism can be ruled out because of the lack of neutron activated products.

    Can neutrons destroy/severely weaken material without creating neutron activated products?

    My only knowledge of nuclear physics has come from my own research into this topic so definitely not an expert in this field. Would greatly appreciate if someone with more knowledge in this field could help answer these questions.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  488. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    IOW, if the source wasn’t nuclear, it must have been some technology that is not publicly known. There is no 3rd way….

    Hey Erebus;
    This is obviously wasted on the Confused Wizzard who loves to play the role of an idiot, or may be really is one, I don’t know, but it is good to remind him that us humans cannot create energy, but can only transform it/obtain it, one way or the other, from a source already existing in nature, and that there are only 3 forms of it:
    – Physical energy: pressure, gravity, heat , electromagnetic waves, motion, etc… that exist at the natural state.
    – Chemical energy: combination or atoms of molecules, involving reactions at the outer electron orbit level, which will release energy
    – Nuclear energy: breaking (fission) or combining (fusion) atoms at the internal nucleus level which will release about 1000 times more energy than a similar mass of the chemical fuel above.

    And that’s it; there is nothing else.
    Any alleged “secret weapon” such as those advertised by the clown Judyth Wood would have to draw on one of the forms of energy listed above. So we are always drawn back to the essential question of the small area/volume involved: 3 limited and definitely small patches of ground have radiated the equivalent of a nuclear reactor’s heat production. Any explanation other than nuclear would belong to a fantasy world.

    That there are contra-indicators such as the apparent lack of ionizing radiation means nothing more than that the proponents of the nuke theory must now show how that was accomplished…

    Dear Erebus, this is acknowledged and explained briefly in the excellent video I posted at 484, based on the official CTBTO (Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty Organisation) information.
    The deep burial of the nuclear charge, as well as the nuclear chimney filling with shattered bedrock and rubble will greatly hinder nuclear fallout, because radioactivity is mostly matter, that gets stopped by other matter. This is why the engineering professionals who would have designed the scheme in the 60’s would have taken the pain to create an explosion chamber deeper in the bedrock (-70 m to -100m) than the deepest Twin Tower foundation pile (-21m). Best.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  489. Sparkon says:

    Is there a reason neutron induced embrittlement of steel can be ruled out in regards to 9/11?

    Yes, as you should well know by now since I pointed it out to you under Whitney Webb’s article.

    http://www.unz.com/article/more-americans-questioning-official-9-11-story-as-new-evidence-contradicts-official-narrative/#comment-3446721

    You know, Ms. Webb’s article with the picture of the workmen cutting through the mostly intact steel structure at the very base of one of the Twin Towers. I suppose the workmen must be cutting around the brittle parts, or something…


    Richard Drew, AP

    Additionally, large parts of the underground structures of the WTC were relatively undamaged. Sure, that could be caused by selective embrittlement, or something.

    I see the towers being destroyed from the top down. Additionally, I see debris from the Twin Towers scattered over a wide distance up to several hundred feet beyond their footprints, but I don’t see any rubble heap over the respective footprints of the big Twins.

    By contrast, all the photos show a substantial debris heap over the footprint of Bldg. 7, which should lead the reasonable person to conclude that the Twins were destroyed by a different process than Bldg. 7, which itself should be no surprise as Bldg. 7 used a mostly standard steel-framed construction method while WTC 1 and WTC 2 used a tube within a tube design which for a number of reasons required a different method of demolition, most significantly the overarching need to protect the bathtub.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html

    Dr. Barrett’s article connects 9/11, Jeffrey Epstein, and the MSM, with some religious overtones for good measure, or something.

    I do see a connection between Epstein and the big money boys, constantly horny sex addicts of various stripes, good looking young girls from poor villages in E. Europe, vulnerable and vivacious gutter-snipes paid well after being brought in by various means of entrapment for their overwhelming pussy power used to seduce and entrap powerful people in a circle of snatch, and create porno for the powerful few.

    With enough money you can do all that. As they say, those with the gold make the rules.

    Still, gold cannot buy honor.

    And, in my world, physical evidence trumps esoteric theories, and simple explanations trump complicated ones.

    Your world may vary.

  490. Iris says:
    @z

    Hello Z.; thanks for raising so many interesting discussion topics.

    Neutron-induced embrittlement is more of a long term wearing effect caused by actual nuclear reactions, whether fission or fusion. It is a detrimental side effect of a nuclear reaction within a reactor, for instance, which will release high-energy neutrons and will end up damaging the metal making up the reactor, by causing it to become brittle or swollen. It could not be a mechanism involved in the WTC collapse.

    The claim of “eutectic metallurgical reactions” is extraordinary, and if true, would be a definitive proof of false flag and controlled demolition. It would mean that a compound was used in order to obtain the most optimised corrosive reaction of steel, in which steel, oxygen and sulphur would have been in a such accurate ratios as to reach the lowest possible melting point of steel.
    Such precision would have been achieved by design, not by chance.

    Another plausible explanation is a well known effect of nuclear explosion: the Gamma radiation produced will induce a chemical reaction combining nitrogen (79% of the air) with water (lots of water vapour available thanks to cracked slurry walls). The result will be nitric acid, a powerful corrosive which will consume steel at a powerful and accelerated rate.

    A&E911 has a page saying how a nuclear mechanism can be ruled out..

    9/11A&I nuclear refutation of the WTC nuclear demolition is very poor:
    – They carefully avoid mentioning underground nuclear explosions, where the key word is precisely “underground”.
    – Their discussion about the nuclear fallout goes against solid and undeniable knowledge produced by official institutions infinitely more competent in the nuclear industry: French Commissariat a l’Energie Atomique, CTBTO, all have experience and proof that underground nuclear explosions greatly reduce surface-level nuclear fallout.
    It is simply ridiculous to discard the pattern of “peaceful” underground nuclear tests, which have been proven by over 160 real-life experimentations.
    – Their arguments about the causes of 10,000+ cancers of all types occurring amongst first responders is false: asbestos-induced cancer is most often mesothelioma, which affects lungs. If asbestos was the cause of WTC family of cancers, mesothelioma would have represented the highest portion, as it does in real situations of asbestos contamination. Best.

  491. Iris says:
    @z

    One last thing: ill-informed was the 9/11A&E argument that the incomplete dustification of steel and the survival of some sections of structure is proof that no nuclear explosion took place.

    This argument is simply ridiculous; it amounts at saying that if a human being is blown up by a blast, but somehow his hand is retrieved in the aftermath, than he just faked his death.

    There could be no perfect dustification of steel because there exist no homogenous milieu, ever. The explosion shockwave is a destructive, extremely high gradient of pressure which is assumed to travel throughout a homogenous sphere, in order to calculate its approximate value. This approximation, based on a decay as per the square of the distance to the explosion centre, is accurate at, say, 99%, which is perfectly sufficient to calculate a very realistic value.

    But the shockwave will encounter singular obstacles, or heterogeneities in the milieu, which will divert it or dampen it, sparing in that way a very small proportion of the steel.

    Instead of focusing on the little steel that wasn’t dustified, one should acknowledge how incredibly little proportion of it was actually spared.

    This is a photo of Hiroshima taken just after its bombing:

    • Agree: Erebus
  492. @Erebus

    And are you going to deal with the #491 objection?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  493. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    … it is good to remind him that us humans cannot create energy, but can only transform it/obtain it…

    The Dotard of Oz has yet to connect his diet of lard and beans with his extraordinary production of energetically expelled noxious gases and semi-solid matter. He thinks he creates all that spontaneously, ex nihilo and so believes that similar magic is commonplace.

    … this is acknowledged and explained briefly in the excellent video I posted at 484…

    Very seldom do I have access to a sufficiently fast internet connection to watch videos. Normally, I’m in single digit Kbps territory, if I can get a connection at all. I also pay for every bit that does manage to stagger in, so unless it literally pays me to download something, I don’t.

    The principal argument against nukes seems to be the lack of measured radiation. Obviously,
    Roby’s shockwave induced embrittlement theory does not involve large amounts of it, while I’d expect Pommer’s plasma fountain normally would.

    Despite that, I find Pommer more attractive assuming there’s a body of more rigorous work behind the rather spotty powerpoint presentation in Barrett’s VT link. Specifically, I’m attracted by its apparent systemic simplicity, and because he actually makes an attempt to correlate what we witnessed and subterranean events. By systemic simplicity, I mean that his plasma fountain mechanism plausibly accounts for both the vaporizing of the central core, and for the sequential, top-down vaporization of the concrete floor slabs without wiring the building. Together, they’re a major bonus.

    So, while Roby’s scenario would require lots of conventional explosive help to force sequentialization of the floor dissociations, Pommer’s requires only strategically placed charges to channel the plasma fountain.

    Having said that, I have no idea whether a nuclear device such as he envisages could be designed for minimal and/or very short-lived ionizing radiation. Or, whether it could perhaps be designed to restrict the radiation to a type not normally measured.

    That brings me to the point that I also have little confidence in the radiation readings that were done. After all, the EPA announced that the air at the site was “safe” when it was obviously highly toxic, if not immediately lethal. 100s of clean-up workers got sick on site, 1000s have died premature (and often unusual) deaths, and 1000s more are suffering from what appear to be related, and equally unusual diseases.

    If that was an “error”, as the EPA head later claimed, I can’t see how the error wasn’t engineered into the tests. That is, I expect that the tests were purposely restricted so as to avoid measuring the actual toxins. In other words, the EPA were lying by omission about toxicity, and I see no reason why they wouldn’t be even more motivated to lie about radiation in the same/similar way.

    • Agree: Iris
  494. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I saw no objection worth addressing in #491.
    Read, and show that you understand Roby’s paper. Until then, you’re just noise.

  495. z says:

    Think this was the podcast I was listening to last night, if it’s not it is one of the podcasts from Visibility 9-11 that has Steven Jones as a guest.

    Visibility 9-11 Welcomes Dr. Steven E. Jones

    Jones talks about seeing evidence of boiled molybdenum in the WTC dust. Molybdenum boils at 8,000ºF while the thermitic reaction is somewhere around 5,000ºF.

    See the problem here?

    Got me wondering what the steel would look like if you put tons of thermite/thermate into the core column area, let it drip down the cores, then blasted it upwards w/ a shock wave from some sort of underground nuclear weapon. Wonder if this would look anything like Pommer’s plasma weapon?

    Anyway not enough time right now to write more. More to come later…

    p.s. Thank you Iris greatly appreciated.

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