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Mankind’s IQ is 84-88. Becker May 2018 update

The London Conference on Intelligence began, as is now traditional, with an update on the project to produce a public database of the world’s IQ. It is hard to get academics to agree to anything, even when they are under bombardment, but this is one point of common purpose. Not surprisingly, there are many issues surrounding the notion of national IQs. Representativeness looms large. Well-organized countries have lots of data, less well-organized ones far less. Restricting the results to those countries which actually have data is an obvious step. For comparative purposes, one can look at the far less satisfactory approach of estimating missing country data by assuming they are like their nearest neighbours.

As befits a German, Becker has taken a systematic approach. He has now sorted the basics, such as the standard Flynn Effect correction to be applied, and now has to turn to the thorny matter of quality estimations, corrections for sample size, and the integrated representation of different measures of cognitive ability. There are also many new studies to be added. There are still many countries for which we do not have data.

When looking at his presentation slides, a few explanations are required.

DB = David Becker
L&V = Lynn and Vanhanen (authors of the original books on national IQs)
RPM = Raven’s Progressive Matrices (in various forms)
WISC = Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children
CFT = Culture Fair Test

The last data slide Number 14 shows correlations between country IQs and a number of measures.
This slide is a useful summary of important findings so far.

Becker summary of correlations

Here is the link to his lecture:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l32bquDkqhvEkToK9Khs7X0rdD2Ydh5f

Finally, we hope that you will look at the data repository, and tell others it is available for inspection and comment.

http://viewoniq.org/

 
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  1. “Culture-fair tests” don’t exist.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    Ideal gases don't exist. It doesn't stop the notion of an Ideal Gas being wonderfully useful.
    , @David Becker
    Dear RaceRealist88,

    "Culture-fair tests" is the official name of the test constructed by Raymond Bernard Cattell, therefore I have to use this name regardless of my opinion about cultural effects in IQ-results.

    From my point of view I would argue that IQ-tests could (or should) not be culture-fair because culture is not intelligence-free. Even if a culture-fair IQ-test would be invented, it would be limited useful because it would ignore a significant part of existing IQ-variances.

    Best regards,

    David Becker
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  2. dearieme says:
    @RaceRealist88
    "Culture-fair tests" don't exist.

    Ideal gases don’t exist. It doesn’t stop the notion of an Ideal Gas being wonderfully useful.

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    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    So what?

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.
    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.
    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.
    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.
    , @res
    Good response. I think this SSC post provides a good framework to put "arguments" like that in perspective.
    https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/08/varieties-of-argumentative-experience/

    Fun graphics below.


    https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/graham.png

    https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/argument_hierarchy.png
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  3. @dearieme
    Ideal gases don't exist. It doesn't stop the notion of an Ideal Gas being wonderfully useful.

    So what?

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.
    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.
    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.
    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.

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    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
     
    Just few exceptions of higher IQ people from ''low social class'' and lower or below avg IQ people from ''high social class'' already can ....

    When you will understand this:

    culturally minimized tests = = = find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]

    It's culturally biased only for tribes who hasn't been yet exposed to western culture/math and no have a developed numerical system...

    Pattern recognition is a universal skill, not only among humans...

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.
     
    So, all experiences are equal**

    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.

    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
     
    double r

    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.
     
    Say no to drugs/steroids..

    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.
     
    And when ''middle class'' score LOWER THAN ''higher class''...

    even to...
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  4. res says:

    That 0.74 correlation of national IQ with median age is depressing. I am surprised there is not more conversation about it.

    At the blog we see this:

    One extreme outlier was found in this analysis, which is a sample for India (IND) with an IQ[DB] of 120.22 but an IQ[L&V] of 77.00

    Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself.

    That March 4th post also says:

    Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost.

    Which I do not see. Any idea if that is still planned?

    P.S. What is up with Nicaragua?!

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    • Replies: @David Becker
    Dear res,

    "Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself."

    1.3 has not been published yet since it is still under construction. I hope to become capable to upload it within the next two month but the basic rule is: "It's done, when it's done."

    "Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost."

    Also a blogpost about outliners will be published after 1.3 in finished. For your information: One of the sources for India gave measurements from three samples, two with normal and one with elite-school pupils. L&V combined the two normal samples to one with an IQ of 77, whereas I used all three samples separately. Therefore the huge discrepancy occure for the elite-sample. One can argue that I should not compare the third sample with the results from L&V because L&V did not use it, but I do it for the purpose of a much easier identification of outliers.

    "What is up with Nicaragua?!"

    There are three samples integrated for Nicaragua at the moment, one for normal schoolchildren with 63.48, one for females completed primary school with 54.86 and one for females not completed primary school with 49.75. The last one is problematic because it was measured with Coloured Progressive Matrices on a sample with a mean age of 35y, so the raw-scores had to be converted to the scale of Advanced Progressive Matrices before calculating IQs. Tables for Raven's raw-score conversions are given by the Raven's manuals but must be critically assessed because created for the Bristish population and not for low-IQ countries,

    I hope to have answered your questions sufficiently,

    Best regards,

    David Becker
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    And what's up with Granny Smith apple green Bolivia? Old NAZI families were fruitful and multiplied??
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  5. res says:
    @dearieme
    Ideal gases don't exist. It doesn't stop the notion of an Ideal Gas being wonderfully useful.

    Good response. I think this SSC post provides a good framework to put “arguments” like that in perspective.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/08/varieties-of-argumentative-experience/

    Fun graphics below.

    [MORE]

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    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    My first comment here wasn't an argument, it was a statement. My argument (re "culture-fair" tests) is in my second comment in this thread. Arguments have premises and a conclusion. Statements are... Just statements.
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  6. Roger57 says:

    The correlation of IQ with median age is why civilization will only last a few hundred years.

    It also explains why aliens don’t visit us, as they are subject to the same evolutionary forces.

    The good news is that we are living in the best time in human history, the future will be horrible.

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I've hypothesized that the Great Filter is technology itself, effectively removing all selection pressures. In other words, eventually planetary societies lose the g-loaded capital necessary to maintain the scarcity-eliminating technology. There is no evidence of an extra-planetary society in the entire observed universe. (Admittedly, sheer distance is a confounding factor).

    I don't think AI will save us. Presumably, somewhere it's already been tried.
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  7. @res
    Good response. I think this SSC post provides a good framework to put "arguments" like that in perspective.
    https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/08/varieties-of-argumentative-experience/

    Fun graphics below.


    https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/graham.png

    https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/argument_hierarchy.png

    My first comment here wasn’t an argument, it was a statement. My argument (re “culture-fair” tests) is in my second comment in this thread. Arguments have premises and a conclusion. Statements are… Just statements.

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    • Replies: @res
    It may have been a statement as you define those terms, but are you claiming there was not an implicit argument where the premise was your statement and the implicit conclusion was that Becker's methodology is not valid?
    , @another fred
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA
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  8. res says:
    @RaceRealist88
    My first comment here wasn't an argument, it was a statement. My argument (re "culture-fair" tests) is in my second comment in this thread. Arguments have premises and a conclusion. Statements are... Just statements.

    It may have been a statement as you define those terms, but are you claiming there was not an implicit argument where the premise was your statement and the implicit conclusion was that Becker’s methodology is not valid?

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    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    I didn't say anything about his methodology, only on "culture-fair" IQ tests as a whole.

    My implicit argument is here regarding "culture-fair" IQ tests.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-latest-update/#comment-2330798
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  9. @res
    It may have been a statement as you define those terms, but are you claiming there was not an implicit argument where the premise was your statement and the implicit conclusion was that Becker's methodology is not valid?

    I didn’t say anything about his methodology, only on “culture-fair” IQ tests as a whole.

    My implicit argument is here regarding “culture-fair” IQ tests.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-latest-update/#comment-2330798

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    I didn’t say anything about his methodology
     
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit
    "capable of being understood from something else though unexpressed"

    My implicit argument is here regarding “culture-fair” IQ tests.
     
    That looked pretty explicit to me.
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  10. So Australia has a score higher than Ire!and’s despite a huge Irish element in the population, not to mention Greeks and other Balkan immigrants.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    Lots of Chinese?
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  11. res says:
    @RaceRealist88
    I didn't say anything about his methodology, only on "culture-fair" IQ tests as a whole.

    My implicit argument is here regarding "culture-fair" IQ tests.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-latest-update/#comment-2330798

    I didn’t say anything about his methodology

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit

    “capable of being understood from something else though unexpressed”

    My implicit argument is here regarding “culture-fair” IQ tests.

    That looked pretty explicit to me.

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    What's your rebuttal?
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  12. @res

    I didn’t say anything about his methodology
     
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/implicit
    "capable of being understood from something else though unexpressed"

    My implicit argument is here regarding “culture-fair” IQ tests.
     
    That looked pretty explicit to me.

    What’s your rebuttal?

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  13. @RaceRealist88
    So what?

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.
    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.
    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.
    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.

    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.

    Just few exceptions of higher IQ people from ”low social class” and lower or below avg IQ people from ”high social class” already can ….

    When you will understand this:

    culturally minimized tests = = = find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]

    It’s culturally biased only for tribes who hasn’t been yet exposed to western culture/math and no have a developed numerical system…

    Pattern recognition is a universal skill, not only among humans…

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.

    So, all experiences are equal**

    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.

    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.

    double r

    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.

    Say no to drugs/steroids..

    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.

    And when ”middle class” score LOWER THAN ”higher class”…

    even to…

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    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    "culturally minimized tests"

    Don't exist. Those aren't rebuttals. Try again.
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  14. @Santoculto

    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
     
    Just few exceptions of higher IQ people from ''low social class'' and lower or below avg IQ people from ''high social class'' already can ....

    When you will understand this:

    culturally minimized tests = = = find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]

    It's culturally biased only for tribes who hasn't been yet exposed to western culture/math and no have a developed numerical system...

    Pattern recognition is a universal skill, not only among humans...

    P1) IQ tests are experience-dependent.
     
    So, all experiences are equal**

    P2) IQ tests are experience-dependent because some classes are more exposed to the knowledge and structure on the test by way of their being born into a certain social class.

    P3) If IQ tests are experience-dependent because some social classes are more exposed to the knowledge and the structure of the test along with whatever else comes with membership of that social class then these tests test distance from the middle class and it’s knowledge structure.
     
    double r

    P4) How one scores on a test has to do with what information they are exposed to along with what they are exposed to in their everyday lives that affects test performance.
     
    Say no to drugs/steroids..

    C) Therefore IQ tests test learned skills and knowledge more prevalent in the middle class than lower classes; IQ test scores are largely “middle class” scores, your knowledge of the middle class.
     
    And when ''middle class'' score LOWER THAN ''higher class''...

    even to...

    “culturally minimized tests”

    Don’t exist. Those aren’t rebuttals. Try again.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto

    find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]
     
    Human cultures share common/universal features and pattern recognition is one of them...

    Pattern recognition IS raven matrice tests.

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  15. @RaceRealist88
    "culturally minimized tests"

    Don't exist. Those aren't rebuttals. Try again.

    find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]

    Human cultures share common/universal features and pattern recognition is one of them…

    Pattern recognition IS raven matrice tests.

    Read More
    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    The Raven is actually the most enculturated test of all.
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  16. @RaceRealist88
    My first comment here wasn't an argument, it was a statement. My argument (re "culture-fair" tests) is in my second comment in this thread. Arguments have premises and a conclusion. Statements are... Just statements.

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    • Replies: @James Thompson
    Still pure genius.
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  17. @Santoculto

    find the patterns [1,3,6,10...]
     
    Human cultures share common/universal features and pattern recognition is one of them...

    Pattern recognition IS raven matrice tests.

    The Raven is actually the most enculturated test of all.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Santoculto
    Prove...

    Do you can see the difference between that question and this ''who was the first american president*'' *

    Most enculturated becose... - - - - -
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  18. Svigor says:

    The whole “high correlation between mean national IQ and natioinal outcomes” is the “and yet it moves” issue for the IQ-denialists.

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  19. @res
    That 0.74 correlation of national IQ with median age is depressing. I am surprised there is not more conversation about it.

    At the blog we see this:

    One extreme outlier was found in this analysis, which is a sample for India (IND) with an IQ[DB] of 120.22 but an IQ[L&V] of 77.00
     
    Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself.

    That March 4th post also says:

    Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost.
     
    Which I do not see. Any idea if that is still planned?

    P.S. What is up with Nicaragua?!

    Dear res,

    “Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself.”

    1.3 has not been published yet since it is still under construction. I hope to become capable to upload it within the next two month but the basic rule is: “It’s done, when it’s done.”

    “Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost.”

    Also a blogpost about outliners will be published after 1.3 in finished. For your information: One of the sources for India gave measurements from three samples, two with normal and one with elite-school pupils. L&V combined the two normal samples to one with an IQ of 77, whereas I used all three samples separately. Therefore the huge discrepancy occure for the elite-sample. One can argue that I should not compare the third sample with the results from L&V because L&V did not use it, but I do it for the purpose of a much easier identification of outliers.

    “What is up with Nicaragua?!”

    There are three samples integrated for Nicaragua at the moment, one for normal schoolchildren with 63.48, one for females completed primary school with 54.86 and one for females not completed primary school with 49.75. The last one is problematic because it was measured with Coloured Progressive Matrices on a sample with a mean age of 35y, so the raw-scores had to be converted to the scale of Advanced Progressive Matrices before calculating IQs. Tables for Raven’s raw-score conversions are given by the Raven’s manuals but must be critically assessed because created for the Bristish population and not for low-IQ countries,

    I hope to have answered your questions sufficiently,

    Best regards,

    David Becker

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    • Replies: @res
    Thank you!
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  20. @RaceRealist88
    "Culture-fair tests" don't exist.

    Dear RaceRealist88,

    “Culture-fair tests” is the official name of the test constructed by Raymond Bernard Cattell, therefore I have to use this name regardless of my opinion about cultural effects in IQ-results.

    From my point of view I would argue that IQ-tests could (or should) not be culture-fair because culture is not intelligence-free. Even if a culture-fair IQ-test would be invented, it would be limited useful because it would ignore a significant part of existing IQ-variances.

    Best regards,

    David Becker

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  21. @another fred
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA

    Still pure genius.

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  22. dearieme says:
    @Philip Owen
    So Australia has a score higher than Ire!and's despite a huge Irish element in the population, not to mention Greeks and other Balkan immigrants.

    Lots of Chinese?

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    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Only recently and not so many. Australia had a white Australia well into the 2nd half of the 20th Century. The founding population was not from the top drawer of society either.
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  23. @RaceRealist88
    The Raven is actually the most enculturated test of all.

    Prove…

    Do you can see the difference between that question and this ”who was the first american president*” *

    Most enculturated becose… – – – – -

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    ”who was the first american president": what a good question. Its beauty lies in its ambiguity: do you stress "american" or "president"?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is ... whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is ... some other chap. And that's assuming that 'american' is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn't.

    I suppose that's the point about "culture"?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as "Americans" or were they always called "Indians" from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

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  24. res says:
    @David Becker
    Dear res,

    "Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself."

    1.3 has not been published yet since it is still under construction. I hope to become capable to upload it within the next two month but the basic rule is: "It's done, when it's done."

    "Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost."

    Also a blogpost about outliners will be published after 1.3 in finished. For your information: One of the sources for India gave measurements from three samples, two with normal and one with elite-school pupils. L&V combined the two normal samples to one with an IQ of 77, whereas I used all three samples separately. Therefore the huge discrepancy occure for the elite-sample. One can argue that I should not compare the third sample with the results from L&V because L&V did not use it, but I do it for the purpose of a much easier identification of outliers.

    "What is up with Nicaragua?!"

    There are three samples integrated for Nicaragua at the moment, one for normal schoolchildren with 63.48, one for females completed primary school with 54.86 and one for females not completed primary school with 49.75. The last one is problematic because it was measured with Coloured Progressive Matrices on a sample with a mean age of 35y, so the raw-scores had to be converted to the scale of Advanced Progressive Matrices before calculating IQs. Tables for Raven's raw-score conversions are given by the Raven's manuals but must be critically assessed because created for the Bristish population and not for low-IQ countries,

    I hope to have answered your questions sufficiently,

    Best regards,

    David Becker

    Thank you!

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  25. dearieme says:
    @Santoculto
    Prove...

    Do you can see the difference between that question and this ''who was the first american president*'' *

    Most enculturated becose... - - - - -

    ”who was the first american president”: what a good question. Its beauty lies in its ambiguity: do you stress “american” or “president”?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is … whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is … some other chap. And that’s assuming that ‘american’ is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn’t.

    I suppose that’s the point about “culture”?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as “Americans” or were they always called “Indians” from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

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    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is … whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is … some other chap. And that’s assuming that ‘american’ is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn’t.

    I suppose that’s the point about “culture”?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as “Americans” or were they always called “Indians” from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?
     
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    , @Philip Owen
    In the Massachusetts Bay colony they were called Indians. Praying Indians if part of the colony. Often tribal names were used. Whampanoags, Pequot, Narangassett. I did a bit of research on this as I was interested in the origins of British colonialism. The earliest settler tested the locals with respect, if not liking. Later ones less so but still within a legal system that recognized about equal rights.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I really suspect that Santoculto gave you a more appropriate answer with the photo, but I'm going to play charitably dumb and naive and give you benefit of the almost non-existent doubt.

    According to the Huwhite Supremacist hegemonic narrative, Huwhite Italian privateer Cristobal Colon operating under a charter from the Huwhite Spanish Crown thought his flotilla of three small sailing vessels had arrived via a westward passage to his intended destination of India when he landed on the island of Hispañola. (modern day shit hole Haiti and modern day brothel/casino Dominican Republic)

    He and his crew therefore referred to the loin clothed primitives residing there as "Indios". Subsequent Spanish and Portuguese explorers and conquerers of what is now modern day Latin America stuck with the Indio nomenclature to refer to all indigenous populations. Later all sorts of rough-ass names like putos salvajes, patarajas, brutos etc. came into the Spanish language which as far as I can tell is richer in racial and caste slurs than North American English has ever been.

    The later arriving English (by then it was determined that North and South America were not India) simply went with the translation of Indios (Indians) and in due course came up with Injuns, Redskins, Elizabeth Warren etc.

    I really can't tell much about the French and the Dutch in this context. Perhaps other readers can round out your education.

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  26. @dearieme
    ”who was the first american president": what a good question. Its beauty lies in its ambiguity: do you stress "american" or "president"?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is ... whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is ... some other chap. And that's assuming that 'american' is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn't.

    I suppose that's the point about "culture"?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as "Americans" or were they always called "Indians" from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is … whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is … some other chap. And that’s assuming that ‘american’ is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn’t.

    I suppose that’s the point about “culture”?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as “Americans” or were they always called “Indians” from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

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  27. @dearieme
    Lots of Chinese?

    Only recently and not so many. Australia had a white Australia well into the 2nd half of the 20th Century. The founding population was not from the top drawer of society either.

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  28. @dearieme
    ”who was the first american president": what a good question. Its beauty lies in its ambiguity: do you stress "american" or "president"?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is ... whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is ... some other chap. And that's assuming that 'american' is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn't.

    I suppose that's the point about "culture"?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as "Americans" or were they always called "Indians" from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

    In the Massachusetts Bay colony they were called Indians. Praying Indians if part of the colony. Often tribal names were used. Whampanoags, Pequot, Narangassett. I did a bit of research on this as I was interested in the origins of British colonialism. The earliest settler tested the locals with respect, if not liking. Later ones less so but still within a legal system that recognized about equal rights.

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  29. @res
    That 0.74 correlation of national IQ with median age is depressing. I am surprised there is not more conversation about it.

    At the blog we see this:

    One extreme outlier was found in this analysis, which is a sample for India (IND) with an IQ[DB] of 120.22 but an IQ[L&V] of 77.00
     
    Is that a typo? I did not see the 1.3 dataset available for download to check for myself.

    That March 4th post also says:

    Such outliers will be discussed later, in a special blogpost.
     
    Which I do not see. Any idea if that is still planned?

    P.S. What is up with Nicaragua?!

    And what’s up with Granny Smith apple green Bolivia? Old NAZI families were fruitful and multiplied??

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  30. @dearieme
    ”who was the first american president": what a good question. Its beauty lies in its ambiguity: do you stress "american" or "president"?

    If you mean the first president who was an American, in the sense of born a US citizen, than the answer is ... whoever. But if all you mean is who was the first president of the US the answer is ... some other chap. And that's assuming that 'american' is being used to imply the USA, which it may but it needn't.

    I suppose that's the point about "culture"?

    Historical question: were the indigenous people, the Amerindians as some people prefer to say, ever referred to simply as "Americans" or were they always called "Indians" from the beginning of the English colonies in North America? How about in the French, Spanish, or Portuguese colonies in the New World?

    I really suspect that Santoculto gave you a more appropriate answer with the photo, but I’m going to play charitably dumb and naive and give you benefit of the almost non-existent doubt.

    According to the Huwhite Supremacist hegemonic narrative, Huwhite Italian privateer Cristobal Colon operating under a charter from the Huwhite Spanish Crown thought his flotilla of three small sailing vessels had arrived via a westward passage to his intended destination of India when he landed on the island of Hispañola. (modern day shit hole Haiti and modern day brothel/casino Dominican Republic)

    He and his crew therefore referred to the loin clothed primitives residing there as “Indios”. Subsequent Spanish and Portuguese explorers and conquerers of what is now modern day Latin America stuck with the Indio nomenclature to refer to all indigenous populations. Later all sorts of rough-ass names like putos salvajes, patarajas, brutos etc. came into the Spanish language which as far as I can tell is richer in racial and caste slurs than North American English has ever been.

    The later arriving English (by then it was determined that North and South America were not India) simply went with the translation of Indios (Indians) and in due course came up with Injuns, Redskins, Elizabeth Warren etc.

    I really can’t tell much about the French and the Dutch in this context. Perhaps other readers can round out your education.

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    Putos salvages = savage beasts
    Patarajas = red feet or broken feet, pats being the word for feet or legs in an animal
    Brutos = brute, stupid or anything similar. In other words, no different than the hundreds of words that you could possibly use in English to refer to anyone you don't like.
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  31. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:

    Very clever, holding it in London, Arkansas, this year.

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  32. sb says:

    27 Phillip Owen
    I’m not so sure about that .
    Historically most of the people who migrated to Australia were Anglo Celts who were often poor but not the poorest but had the ,er, get up and go to seek a better life unlike their passive and stationary siblings and neighbours .Remember it cost rather more to sail to Australia than North America .Many came to farm at a time when farmland was becoming harder to obtain in North America .
    Some weren’t so poor but sought business and professional opportunities in a British land where connections weren’t so important
    Convicts were always a minority and although predominately from the lower orders were quite varied in their background

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    @Philip Owen
    Only recently and not so many. Australia had a white Australia well into the 2nd half of the 20th Century. The founding population was not from the top drawer of society either.

    See 31

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  34. @Roger57
    The correlation of IQ with median age is why civilization will only last a few hundred years.

    It also explains why aliens don't visit us, as they are subject to the same evolutionary forces.

    The good news is that we are living in the best time in human history, the future will be horrible.

    I’ve hypothesized that the Great Filter is technology itself, effectively removing all selection pressures. In other words, eventually planetary societies lose the g-loaded capital necessary to maintain the scarcity-eliminating technology. There is no evidence of an extra-planetary society in the entire observed universe. (Admittedly, sheer distance is a confounding factor).

    I don’t think AI will save us. Presumably, somewhere it’s already been tried.

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    Losing g-loaded capital is accompanied by selection for higher fertility, which results in overpopulation and the return of Malthusian limits - accentuated by the loss of said g-loaded capital - which in turn leads to the renewal of selection for intelligence, and at an even faster rate, because the industrial economy is more complex than the Early Modern one.

    End result - smart, but much more fecund population. Doesn't seem like a solution to the Fermi Paradox.
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  35. Roger57 says:

    That we are not subject to natural selection is the common fallacy.
    Evolution is a change in the relative frequencies of alleles in the gene pool.
    This only happens when somebody dies or somebody is born.

    For example, black people are having more children than white people therefore homo sapiens is evolving to have darker skin.

    If I say the peppered moth became darker during the industrial revolution due to pollution you would recognize that as evolution but you don’t realize that humans becoming darker due to different birth rates is also evolution.

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  36. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I've hypothesized that the Great Filter is technology itself, effectively removing all selection pressures. In other words, eventually planetary societies lose the g-loaded capital necessary to maintain the scarcity-eliminating technology. There is no evidence of an extra-planetary society in the entire observed universe. (Admittedly, sheer distance is a confounding factor).

    I don't think AI will save us. Presumably, somewhere it's already been tried.

    Losing g-loaded capital is accompanied by selection for higher fertility, which results in overpopulation and the return of Malthusian limits – accentuated by the loss of said g-loaded capital – which in turn leads to the renewal of selection for intelligence, and at an even faster rate, because the industrial economy is more complex than the Early Modern one.

    End result – smart, but much more fecund population. Doesn’t seem like a solution to the Fermi Paradox.

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  37. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Where is the country-by-country data? The links go to a couple of blog posts and a file containing color-coded maps, a readme, and a change-log. For instance, if I want to know that Japan’s IQ is [number], where do I look? All I can see is that Japan’s IQ is turquoise, and turquoise is roughly between [number] and [number].

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    Even Google can't hide it from this 68 IQ retardate.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
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  38. @Anonymous
    Where is the country-by-country data? The links go to a couple of blog posts and a file containing color-coded maps, a readme, and a change-log. For instance, if I want to know that Japan's IQ is [number], where do I look? All I can see is that Japan's IQ is turquoise, and turquoise is roughly between [number] and [number].

    Even Google can’t hide it from this 68 IQ retardate.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

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  39. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I really suspect that Santoculto gave you a more appropriate answer with the photo, but I'm going to play charitably dumb and naive and give you benefit of the almost non-existent doubt.

    According to the Huwhite Supremacist hegemonic narrative, Huwhite Italian privateer Cristobal Colon operating under a charter from the Huwhite Spanish Crown thought his flotilla of three small sailing vessels had arrived via a westward passage to his intended destination of India when he landed on the island of Hispañola. (modern day shit hole Haiti and modern day brothel/casino Dominican Republic)

    He and his crew therefore referred to the loin clothed primitives residing there as "Indios". Subsequent Spanish and Portuguese explorers and conquerers of what is now modern day Latin America stuck with the Indio nomenclature to refer to all indigenous populations. Later all sorts of rough-ass names like putos salvajes, patarajas, brutos etc. came into the Spanish language which as far as I can tell is richer in racial and caste slurs than North American English has ever been.

    The later arriving English (by then it was determined that North and South America were not India) simply went with the translation of Indios (Indians) and in due course came up with Injuns, Redskins, Elizabeth Warren etc.

    I really can't tell much about the French and the Dutch in this context. Perhaps other readers can round out your education.

    Putos salvages = savage beasts
    Patarajas = red feet or broken feet, pats being the word for feet or legs in an animal
    Brutos = brute, stupid or anything similar. In other words, no different than the hundreds of words that you could possibly use in English to refer to anyone you don’t like.

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  40. More or less.

    But I’ve still yet to find a homologous Spanish term/person for Elizabeth Warren.

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