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Things move fast. A published paper comes to the attention of Steve Sailer and suddenly a section of a puzzle gets completed.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/school-test-scores-in-africa/

Better still, the boundaries of ignorance get pushed backwards, which is always a good idea, and a fine Christmas present.

From the isolation of my study, and from the depths of my ignorance, I had always bemoaned the fact that poorer countries, particularly in Africa, avoided taking part in PISA and similar international assessments. The suspicion was that they were avoiding getting bad results, which would redound on their national pride, showing them to be dull and/or incapable of organising their schools properly. PISA has the capacity to spread embarrassment far and wide, in rich as well as poor countries, and I am all in favour of that. Let the over-paid educational authorities of the rich world be confounded by the wit of poorer nations, and may their cosy empires fall. Also, may badly organized countries stop blaming poverty and make sure they pay and support their teachers.

The problem with the lack of participation of these countries was that researchers lost a possible confirmation or disconfirmation of the IQ results obtained on those countries, which in the case of Africa seem to be too low to be believed. How to sort out this problem?

Justin Sandefur, Working Paper 444, December 2016, Center for Global Development.

Internationally Comparable Mathematics Scores for Fourteen African Countries

Abstract

Internationally comparable test scores play a central role in both research and policy debates on education. However, the main international testing regimes, such as PISA, TIMSS, or PIRLS, include very few low-income countries. For instance, most countries in Southern and Eastern Africa have opted instead for a regional assessment known as SACMEQ. This paper exploits an overlap between the SACMEQ and TIMSS tests—in both country coverage, and questions asked— to assesses the feasibility of constructing global learning metrics by equating regional and international scales. I compare three different equating methods and find that learning levels in this sample of African countries are consistently (a) low in absolute terms, with average pupils scoring below the fifth percentile for most developed economies; (b) significantly lower than predicted by African per capita GDP levels; and (c) converging slowly, if at all, to the rest of the world during the 2000s. While these broad patterns are robust, average performance in individual countries is quite sensitive to the method chosen to link scores. Creating test scores which are truly internationally comparable would be a global public good, requiring more concerted effort at the design stage.

http://www.cgdev.org/sites/default/files/math-scores-fourteen-african-countries0.pdf

This fine paper comes from the economic sphere of study, so does not reference much psychometric literature. A pity, because it contributes much to the debate on group differences. Economists often ignore the concept of intelligence. Sandefur also seems to accept African national economic statistics, though he probably realizes they are prone to wishful thinking. The author is circumspect about the key issue of comparability of difficulty levels across tests, but seems to have made reasonable choices. I doubt that a re-working would change the picture very much.

The linkage is made possible by Botswana and South Africa having taken both the regional SACMEQ and the TIMSS international tests; and the 2000 and 2007 regional tests having used some of the TIMSS international test questions.

Whatever the linkage methods, the results are pretty grim:

Substantively, the results here are daunting for African education systems. Most of the national test-score averages I estimate for the thirteen African countries in my sample fall more than two standard deviations below the TIMSS average, which places them below the 5th percentile in most European, North American, and East Asian countries. In contrast, scores from the SACMEQ test administered to math teachers are much higher, but fall only modestly above the TIMSS sample average for seventh- and eighth-grade pupils, in line with earlier analysis by Spaull and van der Berg (2013). African test scores appear low relative to national GDP levels; in a regression of average scores on per capita GDP in PPP terms, average scores in the SACMEQ sample are significantly below the predicted value using all three linking methodologies. Furthermore, there is little sign that African scores were improving rapidly or converging to OECD levels during the 2000s.

Of course, readers of this blog will know that Richard Lynn’s personal collection of international intelligence test results, now in the Becker edition, puts Sub Saharan intelligence two standard deviations below the European mean, so it closely matches these results.

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/richard-lynn-intelligence-database/

The advantage of using Maths tests as a proxy for intelligence tests is that most intelligence tests have an Arithmetic subtest and/or number series tests, so one can follow some known correlations to estimate comparability’s. Better still, Maths has a logic to it, so it is valid to talk about some operations being more complex than others. The same item is very much the same item whichever test you find it in, because the same steps are required to solve it. It has the cold beauty of which Bertrand Russell spoke:

“Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty — a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture, without appeal to any part of our weaker nature, without the gorgeous trappings of painting or music, yet sublimely pure, and capable of a stern perfection such as only the greatest art can show. The true spirit of delight, the exaltation, the sense of being more than Man, which is the touchstone of the highest excellence, is to be found in mathematics as surely as poetry”.

More prosaically, maths opens the door to many other intellectual tasks, much as literacy supersedes the oral tradition.

What is to be done with African Maths teachers? Heiner Rindermann, trying to resolve the debate between Richard Lynn and Jelte Wicherts, put Sub-Saharan African IQ at 76. As to African Maths teachers’ results in this paper, he says: In some African countries teachers seem to have lower abilities than students in Europe or East-Asia!

If teachers are one standard deviation above the national mean, then they would have IQs of 91, if two standard deviations above the mean still only 106. This is not a level likely to inculcate in their students a passion for Maths, a subject which every schoolchild recognizes as being different conceptually from other language based subjects, and hard to master. What makes problems difficult? I digress.

Convergence is a much desired trajectory where racial differences are concerned. Put in the educational resources and the slower countries will catch up with the faster ones. Makes sense. However, this sought-after outcome does not always materialize. Convergence will take place sometime between 40 years and never, according to Woodley and Meisenberg.

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/original-paper-are-cognitive/

Turning to the pressing issue of how to raise scholastic attainments, it is unlikely to be a simple question of investing money. Saudi Arabia has had plenty of money to spend on education for almost 50 years, and just look where it languishes in the table, in the company of far less wealthy Swaziland, Tanzania, Botswana and Uganda. Of course, given Saudi Arabia’s mean IQ of 78 that would be entirely as expected. No Africanist, I have nonetheless sung the praises of Botswana, a well run country which invests heavily in education (the Diamond Generation). Despite that, Botswana is not getting much bang for its buck. If Botswana cannot converge on other nations, despite having done so many things right, that should give pause for thought. Botswana’s mean IQ 73.

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-wages-of-mandela/

A summary of investment in education suggests that the pay-off is front-end loaded: the first $5000 has a big effect, and then it tends to plateau thereafter. Another way of looking at it is to note that once countries get to $16,000 GDP per capita then schooling in those countries accounts for only 10% of the variance of student attainment. So, poor countries (most of Africa is well below this level) should have plenty of scope for educational gains.

This paper completes a jigsaw puzzle, and extends the global scholastic attainment dataset by 14 countries. It confirms the Lynn assessments as likely to be correct, within a measurement error of roughly 4 IQ points. For these countries at least, it gives no hint of exceptional talents beyond that expected on the basis of intelligence testing.

I don’t do policy, so this is said more in hope than with any expectation of a good result, but if young Europeans school-leavers with good maths qualifications intending to do good works in Africa want to be most effective, instead of digging ditches they should concentrate on teaching Maths.

 
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  1. pyrrhus says:

    O/T Michael Woodley of Menie and Molyneux!

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  2. dearieme says:

    “If teachers are one standard deviation above the national mean, then they would have IQs of 91, if two standard deviations above the mean still only 106. This is not a level likely to inculcate in their students a passion for Maths”: I wonder.

    Is it possible that there might be a phenomenon whereby if a teacher is far cleverer than his pupils it can sometimes be a disadvantage? Could there be an optimal IQ gap? (Some sort of age-correction might be needed to make this question meaningful.) But maybe not, maybe the problem is far too intricate to be summarised by such a glib suggestion.

    I wonder whether it could work the other way round late in Secondary School : if the pupil was cleverer than the teacher by too large a margin it might become harder for the teacher to succeed. Maybe that means that in Secondary Schools the cleverest teachers should generally teach the oldest and cleverest pupils. I shouldn’t be surprised if schools learned this lesson millennia ago.

    P.S. I’m not being negative. I dare say that your suggestion that gap-yah kids teach maths is a good one. The teachers’ unions in Africa won’t like it though.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    The perfect transference of knowledge from teacher to the student ''seems'' need a equal capacity to learn of both, so the higher is the ''dysgenics'' higher will be the atomization of the student inside the schoolastic environment at point of rupture of this chain, just like if the shaman become too smart to be understood or are the younger generations who become too stupid to learn old guidelines.

    And with the increase of accumulation of abstract knowledge of all spheres diametrically contrastant with the progressive deterioration of the biological capacity to learn (despising the biological capacity to ask right questions, to the analytical-critical thinking, already low even among fat fractions of smart fraction) this hiatus will become inequal just like the social inequality in Brazil.

    ''The 10% smarter will ''concentrates'' 50% of exposed knowledge.''

    well, this already happen.
    , @pyrrhus
    I think you are quite right, dearieme. In my experience as both teacher and pupil, it's best if the brightest teachers teach the best students, midlevel teachers being given the mediocre students, and so on. We could call it "assortive teaching"....
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  3. I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It’s main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it’s own.

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    • Replies: @frayedthread

    The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid
     
    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed 'dialects')


    Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank
     
    What were these ideas?
    , @Clyde

    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It’s main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it’s own.
     
    Is this the one? Do tell! I am very interested in seeing the documentary you talk about. Thanks!
    Empire of Dust [2011] China in Africa
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
    , @Ragnar Lothbrok
    This explains everything you need to know about Blacks.This is probably what you watched.I love how the Black African has the blank look on his face when the Chinese guy tells him like it is.The Black African looks like he is going to cry.Evolution left these people behind for a reason.Nature would have taken care of Blacks.The only reason they are breeding like rabbits is because of whites and their suicidal altruistic tendencies .If left to their own they would have died off as nature intended.
    https://youtu.be/gLOvdgXSy_Q
    , @reezy
    Empire of Dust, the documentary you spoke of, took place in Kenya, not Congo.
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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What is puzzling is a non-standard disparity between pupils and teachers (p 44) in Kenya and, maybe, Seychelles.
    Do they employ their brightest as teachers, are the teachers clever enough to cheat or are the teachers from a specic sub population/tribe?

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    Kikuyu are a settled tribe with good schools through what would be, say, high school in the US.

    From direct experience, their early schooling and the students'mastery of basics is better than in the United States, and they all read, write and speak two languages at least, usually three (Kikuyu, Swahili, English)

    Maasai, on the other hand, are pastoral and do not have much use for schooling except to deal with the state and other tribes. Generally a family group will send one child to school and he will deal with the outside issues for the group and the tribe. That mediator will speak Maasai and Swahili and sometimes English. Many Maasai do not even speak Swahili, the lingua franca, for example.

    No direct experience of other tribes save for a few individuals out of their context.

    The situation in Tanzania is also interesting--more homogeneous and with a relatively high level of basic preparation--based on observations in one rural area and a few small cities. The Germans are remembered fondly in Tanzania, as opposed to the British. The Germans left a lot of books behind, and some Tanzanians read German.

    Know nothing about the Seychelles save as a destination one never got around to visiting but where there are Muslims there is literacy save in forms quite different from what westerners easily recognize.

    , @E. A. Costa
    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.

    Spengler is important reading on this subject--check out what he says about Australian aborigines and boomerangs, for example.

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  5. Math’s is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important, the basis, the origin of thought or anything is always important. Seems quite common that ”math-high achievers” tend to believe they are gods because their talent in this area, of course, becoming irrational during the process.

    The worst type of humantype is the arrogant and stubborn [cognitively] smart people because they on avg will be very good to ”rationalize” their mistakes and they will be near to the power, and many times, full-in, to impose their irrational pre-conceptions, on the right, on the left, on the middle, etc…

    and this is the commonplace throughout human history, period.

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    • Replies: @utu
    I can sense that Santoculto is not very good at math.
    , @Anon
    "Math’s is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important"

    Are we even living in an Age of Thought? The Iconic Image of American Culture is Nikki Minaj's twerking booty, and there are endless jokes about negro dongs in pop culture, even prime time sitcoms like Family Guy where the daughter holds a package of sausages and says she's gonna use them over interracial fantasies with New York Knicks. Shiite. Kids and parents watch such shows together.
    In this non-thought age, intellectuals and math geeks don't matter.. unless they are smart enough to make it in Silicon Valley and rake in big bucks... which might get them some fuc*s. For the dumb neo-primitive culture, the only 'math' that matters if measurements of breast size, butt size, and dong size. Is it any wonder that the American Couple is Kanye West and Kardashian. The Negro and big butt woman. It's not so much Black Lives Matter but Black butts and dongs matter. And since women are all whore-ized, like in the new Linh Dinh post about 'unhappy women', they will choose loose sex partners over dong kong factor, and the West will be mulattoized into trashiness.
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  6. Gavan says:

    Saudi Arabian per-capita GDP $53,600. They spend over 20% of per capita GDP on education per pupil according to http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GB.ZS?locations=SA. United States spends something like 13%. Very revealing, since it tends to disentangle wealth and spending from educational level/development.

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    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    The bulk of the spending is likely to be for make-work public sector jobs to keep the natives busy.
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  7. Gavan says:

    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

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    • Replies: @James Thompson
    You are right. I had not noticed that.
    , @Anon
    I think Norway has been diversified with immigrants.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    You beat me to it. Yet we don't seem to see Norway in articles about W. European nations being overrun with Third World rabble. Too much fish oil in their diet?

    Also, I failed to spot France and Germany in the roster.
    , @Sam Shama
    Overabundant natural resource curse. It'd be interesting to see how, for instance, Texas fares relative to the national average.
    , @Triumph104
    Norwegian kindergarten is year 1, so for previous TIMSS Norway was actually testing 3rd graders for a fourth grade exam. That changed for TIMSS 2015. Norway now tests year 5 which is actually the 4th grade. On the 2015 4th grade math TIMSS Norway was eighth.

    Norway revised its assessed population to students in their 5th and 9th years of schooling to obtain better comparisons with Sweden and Finland. However, in previous TIMSS cycles Norway assessed students in their 4th and 8th years of schooling, which were defined as 4th and 8th grades but have been redefined as 3rd and 7th grades because year 1 in Norway is now considered the equivalent of a year of kindergarten. To maintain trend with previous TIMSS cycles, in 2015 Norway also collected data from students in their 4th and 8th years of schooling, which is used in trend tables.
     
    https://nces.ed.gov/timss/timss2015/timss2015_table01.asp
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  8. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Source for your claim for the Saudi IQ of 78?

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    I think same thing... 78 IQ don't make sense. Would be interesting analyse the IQ scores of arabian ''nobility'' and political classes.

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore. Ok, many foreigners living there, well, maybe ''we'' are analysing IQ scores of foreign people and not the native ones, supposedly the local elites.

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  9. @Gavan
    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

    You are right. I had not noticed that.

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  10. @Anon
    Source for your claim for the Saudi IQ of 78?

    I think same thing… 78 IQ don’t make sense. Would be interesting analyse the IQ scores of arabian ”nobility” and political classes.

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore. Ok, many foreigners living there, well, maybe ”we” are analysing IQ scores of foreign people and not the native ones, supposedly the local elites.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore.
     
    No, they don't seem similar, because they aren't similar.
    , @Jim
    IQ levels in South Arabia certainly are low. Way below IQ levels in Singapore.

    There is a lot of cousin marriage it the Middle East particularly in South Arabia. It has been estimated that this probably reduces the IQ levels there about 5 points or so. But even if all cousin marriage ended in no way would the populations be at all comparable to Northeast Asians.
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  11. @Anonymous
    What is puzzling is a non-standard disparity between pupils and teachers (p 44) in Kenya and, maybe, Seychelles.
    Do they employ their brightest as teachers, are the teachers clever enough to cheat or are the teachers from a specic sub population/tribe?

    Kikuyu are a settled tribe with good schools through what would be, say, high school in the US.

    From direct experience, their early schooling and the students’mastery of basics is better than in the United States, and they all read, write and speak two languages at least, usually three (Kikuyu, Swahili, English)

    Maasai, on the other hand, are pastoral and do not have much use for schooling except to deal with the state and other tribes. Generally a family group will send one child to school and he will deal with the outside issues for the group and the tribe. That mediator will speak Maasai and Swahili and sometimes English. Many Maasai do not even speak Swahili, the lingua franca, for example.

    No direct experience of other tribes save for a few individuals out of their context.

    The situation in Tanzania is also interesting–more homogeneous and with a relatively high level of basic preparation–based on observations in one rural area and a few small cities. The Germans are remembered fondly in Tanzania, as opposed to the British. The Germans left a lot of books behind, and some Tanzanians read German.

    Know nothing about the Seychelles save as a destination one never got around to visiting but where there are Muslims there is literacy save in forms quite different from what westerners easily recognize.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Germans "remembered" in Tanzania? Their rule ended 100 years ago.
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  12. @Anonymous
    What is puzzling is a non-standard disparity between pupils and teachers (p 44) in Kenya and, maybe, Seychelles.
    Do they employ their brightest as teachers, are the teachers clever enough to cheat or are the teachers from a specic sub population/tribe?

    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.

    Spengler is important reading on this subject–check out what he says about Australian aborigines and boomerangs, for example.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.
     
    Which, sadly, leaves them ill-prepared for things like vector calculus.....

    Kikuyu are a settled tribe with good schools through what would be, say, high school in the US.

    From direct experience, their early schooling and the students’mastery of basics is better than in the United States,
     
    Rather depends on which Americans you are comparing them to, I suppose.....
    , @whateva
    A chimp or gorilla can also throw a rock at a predator to chase it away. I am pretty sure that a man with a PhD in math could also throw a rock. However, I am also confident that a chimp or gorilla or Maasai kid could not learn even the simplest math. Your post was quite unintentionally one of the silliest things I have ever read.
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  13. @james wilson
    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It's main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it's own.

    The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid

    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed ‘dialects’)

    Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank

    What were these ideas?

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    "The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid"

    Good catch--all "dialects" of African, jeje.
    , @reezy

    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed ‘dialects’)
     
    Language acquisition utilizes different cognitive functions than those involved with abstract reasoning, as measured by IQ testing. So the fact that the African translator in the documentary was able to learn several languages does not necessarily contradict the assertion that he was poor at abstract reasoning. Not saying he or Africans are "stupid" (clearly they were quite competent at surviving and thriving in their own ways of life), but when it comes to abstract reasoning, they're less capable than other human groups.

    What were these ideas?
     
    Watch the documentary.
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  14. @frayedthread

    The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid
     
    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed 'dialects')


    Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank
     
    What were these ideas?

    “The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid”

    Good catch–all “dialects” of African, jeje.

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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Africa wins in the only math that matters: producing more numbers via more babies.

    West and Far East may be better at multiplication tables but they forgot how to multiply as life.

    Imagine a bunch of bacteria that don’t know mathematics but multiply like crazy.
    Imagine another bunch of bacteria that does wonderful algebra but forgot how to multiply as life.
    Which one will win?

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  16. utu says:
    @Santoculto
    Math's is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important, the basis, the origin of thought or anything is always important. Seems quite common that ''math-high achievers'' tend to believe they are gods because their talent in this area, of course, becoming irrational during the process.

    The worst type of humantype is the arrogant and stubborn [cognitively] smart people because they on avg will be very good to ''rationalize'' their mistakes and they will be near to the power, and many times, full-in, to impose their irrational pre-conceptions, on the right, on the left, on the middle, etc...

    and this is the commonplace throughout human history, period.

    I can sense that Santoculto is not very good at math.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    I'm not, even my family, everyone is at least avg.

    My father is very good at spatial stuff, my older brother is very good.

    I'm the dumbest of my family...

    But this doesn't mean i'm against this deification of the math just because i'm not good.

    And if you thought so, well, then it must be because you should not be very good at the basic ability to think.

    I will not write same thing i wrote above to explain why this deification of math is unhealthy and innacurate.

    So many math-achievers think they are natural polymaths, my older brother think like that

    and

    they tend to be irrational, specially in the affective/psychological departments

    i'm against the robotization of human-kind.

    Yes, math is cold, and people who are more prone to understand this goddess tend to be cold too.

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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Gavan
    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

    I think Norway has been diversified with immigrants.

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  18. syonredux says:
    @E. A. Costa
    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.

    Spengler is important reading on this subject--check out what he says about Australian aborigines and boomerangs, for example.

    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.

    Which, sadly, leaves them ill-prepared for things like vector calculus…..

    Kikuyu are a settled tribe with good schools through what would be, say, high school in the US.

    From direct experience, their early schooling and the students’mastery of basics is better than in the United States,

    Rather depends on which Americans you are comparing them to, I suppose…..

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  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Santoculto
    Math's is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important, the basis, the origin of thought or anything is always important. Seems quite common that ''math-high achievers'' tend to believe they are gods because their talent in this area, of course, becoming irrational during the process.

    The worst type of humantype is the arrogant and stubborn [cognitively] smart people because they on avg will be very good to ''rationalize'' their mistakes and they will be near to the power, and many times, full-in, to impose their irrational pre-conceptions, on the right, on the left, on the middle, etc...

    and this is the commonplace throughout human history, period.

    “Math’s is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important”

    Are we even living in an Age of Thought? The Iconic Image of American Culture is Nikki Minaj’s twerking booty, and there are endless jokes about negro dongs in pop culture, even prime time sitcoms like Family Guy where the daughter holds a package of sausages and says she’s gonna use them over interracial fantasies with New York Knicks. Shiite. Kids and parents watch such shows together.
    In this non-thought age, intellectuals and math geeks don’t matter.. unless they are smart enough to make it in Silicon Valley and rake in big bucks… which might get them some fuc*s. For the dumb neo-primitive culture, the only ‘math’ that matters if measurements of breast size, butt size, and dong size. Is it any wonder that the American Couple is Kanye West and Kardashian. The Negro and big butt woman. It’s not so much Black Lives Matter but Black butts and dongs matter. And since women are all whore-ized, like in the new Linh Dinh post about ‘unhappy women’, they will choose loose sex partners over dong kong factor, and the West will be mulattoized into trashiness.

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    White people still couple mostly with white people they just choose to have few or no children. It's the incentives. Give huge tax breaks per child and penalize welfare recipients for having children and it will reverse.
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  20. The book “Understanding Human History” by Michael Hart looks backward at past accomplishments, rather than forward at future outlook, but reaches analogous conclusions. African economic and political development was/is limited by average differences in intelligence genotype compared to other population groups. It was not colonialism, which possibly might have had a positive impact on economic and political development in African.

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  21. Brian227 says:

    This desperate search by some for a genetic relationship between intelligence and race is full of fuzzy logic and fuzzy facts. One important distinction is between intelligence and achievement. TIMMS is an achievement test designed to grade levels of learning achieved at a particular level of education whereas IQ usually is regarded as a general ability somewhat linked to achievement but not by any well-established causality. The American Psychological Association has this to say:

    “Binet equated intelligence with common sense. He called intelligence “judgment…good sense…the faculty of adapting one’s self to circumstances.” Binet also believed that intelligence is a combination of many skills – skills that are shaped heavily by the environment. His research goal was to help teachers adapt their teaching methods to the needs and abilities of individual students. Students with a weakness in math, for example, could receive special attention in this specific area.

    Things changed when IQ and achievement tests were transplanted to America. Some researchers continued to believe that intelligence is a learned combination of many different skills and abilities. Others, however, assumed that intelligence is a single trait that is heavily determined by genetics. Some people further assumed that there are large ethnic or racial differences in general intelligence. A new wave of research now supports Binet’s original, more progressive, assumptions. For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ. For example, the Flynn effect means that Blacks today have a higher average IQ performance than Whites of 60 or 70 years ago. This difference cannot be genetic because human gene pools do not change over such short periods (see Neisser, 1998).”

    The reference at the end is to: Neisser, U. (1998). Introduction: Rising test scores and what they mean. In U. Neisser (Ed.) The rising curve; Long-term gains in IQ and related measures. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association

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    "For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ."

    The Flynn effect is the Achilles heel of the whole IQ.Inc. I suspect the effect was known before Flynn found it under the carpet where it was being swept over the years. Any other scientific venture confronted with the fact that the ruler it uses to measure some entity is apparently shrinking would begin to question the ruler or the definition of the entity the ruler was supposed measure. It did not happen in the IQ.Inc. They just came up with the correction factor and pretend that nothing has happened particularly among the racialist faction. It is interesting that the beneficiaries of the Flynn effect are some death row prisoners whose IQ after the Flynn correction can be pushed down below the threshold of mental retardation making them ineligible for execution.
    , @phil
    The Flynn effect matters for life outcomes, but 'g' ('general intelligence') matters more. The cognitive deficit of people of sub-Saharan African descent is primarily on 'g'. The Flynn effect does not, per se, increase 'g'.
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  22. Brian227 says:

    The article I quoted in my earlier comment goes on to say:

    ” According to Sternberg, practical intelligence is not assessed in traditional IQ tests, but it is easy to measure, and it allows people to adapt effectively to the demands of work and daily life. Sternberg asserts that practical intelligence predicts people’s future job success at least as well as, if not better than, people’s scores on traditional IQ tests (e.g., see Sternberg et al., 1995). With the cooperation of the College Board, Sternberg recently directed the Rainbow Project. This research project, carried out on 15 college campuses throughout the nation, was designed to supplement the SAT by adding measures of creativity and practical intelligence. Results show that the expanded SAT predicts actual success in college more accurately than traditional SAT scores. Initial results also suggest that the ethnic differences historically observed on the math and verbal portions of the SAT are greatly reduced for tests of creativity or practical intelligence.”

    Other sources claim that traditional IQ tests administered repeatedly over time to the same people show variations that seem to be explained by circumstances, access to learning materials, health and other exogenous factors.

    Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.

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    "Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests."

    Some dogs can be taught many different useless tricks. Some other dogs get quickly bored when you try to teach them these tricks, so they have a reputation among trainers of not being very intelligent. But there are people who can train these "not very intelligent" dogs to do many useful things like hunting, guiding blinds, etc.

    Perhaps Blacks get bored more quickly while Asians and Whites can handle boring repetition that is required to prepare for the test much better.
    , @Triumph104

    Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.
     
    They aren't. I'm too stupid to figure out where Justin Sandefur is getting his data, so I will just focus on the 2015 TIMSS.

    US black 4th graders scored 495 on the math 2015 TIMSS. They fell between Croatia 502, Slovak Republic 498, New Zealand 491, and France 488.

    Meanwhile US black 8th graders scored 462 in math between Malaysia 465, United Arab Emirates 465, Turkey 458, and Bahrain 454. New Zealand was 493.

    https://nces.ed.gov/timss/timss2015/
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  23. @dearieme
    "If teachers are one standard deviation above the national mean, then they would have IQs of 91, if two standard deviations above the mean still only 106. This is not a level likely to inculcate in their students a passion for Maths": I wonder.

    Is it possible that there might be a phenomenon whereby if a teacher is far cleverer than his pupils it can sometimes be a disadvantage? Could there be an optimal IQ gap? (Some sort of age-correction might be needed to make this question meaningful.) But maybe not, maybe the problem is far too intricate to be summarised by such a glib suggestion.

    I wonder whether it could work the other way round late in Secondary School : if the pupil was cleverer than the teacher by too large a margin it might become harder for the teacher to succeed. Maybe that means that in Secondary Schools the cleverest teachers should generally teach the oldest and cleverest pupils. I shouldn't be surprised if schools learned this lesson millennia ago.

    P.S. I'm not being negative. I dare say that your suggestion that gap-yah kids teach maths is a good one. The teachers' unions in Africa won't like it though.

    The perfect transference of knowledge from teacher to the student ”seems” need a equal capacity to learn of both, so the higher is the ”dysgenics” higher will be the atomization of the student inside the schoolastic environment at point of rupture of this chain, just like if the shaman become too smart to be understood or are the younger generations who become too stupid to learn old guidelines.

    And with the increase of accumulation of abstract knowledge of all spheres diametrically contrastant with the progressive deterioration of the biological capacity to learn (despising the biological capacity to ask right questions, to the analytical-critical thinking, already low even among fat fractions of smart fraction) this hiatus will become inequal just like the social inequality in Brazil.

    ”The 10% smarter will ”concentrates” 50% of exposed knowledge.”

    well, this already happen.

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  24. @utu
    I can sense that Santoculto is not very good at math.

    I’m not, even my family, everyone is at least avg.

    My father is very good at spatial stuff, my older brother is very good.

    I’m the dumbest of my family…

    But this doesn’t mean i’m against this deification of the math just because i’m not good.

    And if you thought so, well, then it must be because you should not be very good at the basic ability to think.

    I will not write same thing i wrote above to explain why this deification of math is unhealthy and innacurate.

    So many math-achievers think they are natural polymaths, my older brother think like that

    and

    they tend to be irrational, specially in the affective/psychological departments

    i’m against the robotization of human-kind.

    Yes, math is cold, and people who are more prone to understand this goddess tend to be cold too.

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  25. @Santoculto
    I think same thing... 78 IQ don't make sense. Would be interesting analyse the IQ scores of arabian ''nobility'' and political classes.

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore. Ok, many foreigners living there, well, maybe ''we'' are analysing IQ scores of foreign people and not the native ones, supposedly the local elites.

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore.

    No, they don’t seem similar, because they aren’t similar.

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    Why*

    - little population* checked

    - greater GDP* checked

    - modern and highly urbanized* checked

    - higher % of rich people* checked

    - higher % of foreign workers* checked

    - geographically strategic places* checked
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  26. utu says:
    @Brian227
    The article I quoted in my earlier comment goes on to say:

    " According to Sternberg, practical intelligence is not assessed in traditional IQ tests, but it is easy to measure, and it allows people to adapt effectively to the demands of work and daily life. Sternberg asserts that practical intelligence predicts people's future job success at least as well as, if not better than, people's scores on traditional IQ tests (e.g., see Sternberg et al., 1995). With the cooperation of the College Board, Sternberg recently directed the Rainbow Project. This research project, carried out on 15 college campuses throughout the nation, was designed to supplement the SAT by adding measures of creativity and practical intelligence. Results show that the expanded SAT predicts actual success in college more accurately than traditional SAT scores. Initial results also suggest that the ethnic differences historically observed on the math and verbal portions of the SAT are greatly reduced for tests of creativity or practical intelligence."

    Other sources claim that traditional IQ tests administered repeatedly over time to the same people show variations that seem to be explained by circumstances, access to learning materials, health and other exogenous factors.

    Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.

    “Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.”

    Some dogs can be taught many different useless tricks. Some other dogs get quickly bored when you try to teach them these tricks, so they have a reputation among trainers of not being very intelligent. But there are people who can train these “not very intelligent” dogs to do many useful things like hunting, guiding blinds, etc.

    Perhaps Blacks get bored more quickly while Asians and Whites can handle boring repetition that is required to prepare for the test much better.

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    I am unsure if I get your point.

    Some dogs are very good at training humans, as I have experienced directlty. Perhaps it is the trainers who are not so intelligent, from the dogs' point of view. It is equally likely that the dogs who became bored easily were more intelligent than those who learned the useless things quickly. They were able to judge what was not worthwhile and only responded when their objectives were being met.

    Is it your point that preparing for the test is a useless trick, and thus the lesson is that some groups are more responsive to external direction, while other groups are more attuned to their own needs and motivations?
    , @Ragnar Lothbrok
    Of course they get bored.Blacks with the minds of children are always bored.They only care about "muhdic".
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  27. whateva says:
    @E. A. Costa
    If it is a question of survival in the bush, which can be a very hostile place, a Maasai kid of ten, who has been guarding cattle alone since seven or eight, is much more intelligent than any Ph.D., math or no math.

    The maths are in a throwing stick that can drive off a leopard at night.

    Spengler is important reading on this subject--check out what he says about Australian aborigines and boomerangs, for example.

    A chimp or gorilla can also throw a rock at a predator to chase it away. I am pretty sure that a man with a PhD in math could also throw a rock. However, I am also confident that a chimp or gorilla or Maasai kid could not learn even the simplest math. Your post was quite unintentionally one of the silliest things I have ever read.

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    Guess you have never read Plato's Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    The throw is controlled so that the hardwood ball hits the target.

    Maasai males, from the time they are youngsters, generally carry three of them.

    A leopard hit square on in the dark by the campfire doesn't argue after two of three belts at distance. It just runs off.

    Many of the shepherd kids also sport scars from leopards at closer quarters. For that they carry a small spear.

    Now, find the right hard wood, carve your throwing stick, learn to throw it accurately at, say, thirty yards, and then shove it up your ass.
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  28. Clyde says:
    @james wilson
    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It's main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it's own.

    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It’s main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it’s own.

    Is this the one? Do tell! I am very interested in seeing the documentary you talk about. Thanks!
    Empire of Dust [2011] China in Africa

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    Thanks for the link. The Chinese look like they're losing their minds.
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  29. Let’s take this moment and enjoy a load of over the top kitsch and purple prose:

    ““Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty — a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture, without appeal to any part of our weaker nature, without the gorgeous trappings of painting or music, yet sublimely pure, and capable of a stern perfection such as only the greatest art can show. The true spirit of delight, the exaltation, the sense of being more than Man, which is the touchstone of the highest excellence, is to be found in mathematics as surely as poetry”.

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    All Bertrand Russell's mistresses (and probably most of his students) were very impressed when he talked like that. Wittgenstein, to give him credit, was not.
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  30. mcohen says:

    black people think in circles,whites think in squares.one acknowledges the cycle of life,the other destoys it.

    the proof of this theorem is plain to see.no need for a maths genius.

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  31. Aron says:

    95 percentile of Kenya’s score is 100 points below bottom 5 percentile of Kenya’s teachers.

    IQtards who think that TIMSS and PISA is IQ will say that Kenya’s teachers are top 0.0001 percent of population (even though there is 1 teacher for 100 kids) and hence “average teacher in Kenya scores 225 points higher than average kid in Kenya”.

    Someone with a common sense will say that “teachers teach for many years and are better equipped with maths problem solving”. Which can explain the academic scores of all nations.

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    IQtards who think that TIMSS and PISA is IQ

    I think you want to say

    ''TIMSS and PISA are ways to measure cognitive skills, as well IQ does''

    IQ as well other ways to measure intelligence clearly measure abstract skills over concrete ones.

    How to apply abstract human inventions (language and numbers) into concrete real-world stuff*

    And more, how to apply abstract constructions OF simple abstractions (abstraction OF abstraction).


    Teachers tend to be naturally smarter than their ''pupils''. It's not just a african feature, in USA, teachers tend to score 10 points above than the students. Teachers are clearly smarter than most of their students not just because they have familiarity with scholastic material but also because they are more engaged at the point to become/ to work as a teacher.

    In terms of ''intellectual curiosity/openess'' teachers, on avg, are clearly more engaged, intrinsically motivated.

    Everyone with IQ above 100-105 can teach some abstract stuff to other people.

    Some (or many) smarter people are so saturated/addicted with abstract ideas they becoming progressively distant from concrete reality, and concrete reality is solidly composed by naked-eye patterns.

    The wiser is someone who can come and go between these two worlds without losing oneself.

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  32. @E. A. Costa
    Kikuyu are a settled tribe with good schools through what would be, say, high school in the US.

    From direct experience, their early schooling and the students'mastery of basics is better than in the United States, and they all read, write and speak two languages at least, usually three (Kikuyu, Swahili, English)

    Maasai, on the other hand, are pastoral and do not have much use for schooling except to deal with the state and other tribes. Generally a family group will send one child to school and he will deal with the outside issues for the group and the tribe. That mediator will speak Maasai and Swahili and sometimes English. Many Maasai do not even speak Swahili, the lingua franca, for example.

    No direct experience of other tribes save for a few individuals out of their context.

    The situation in Tanzania is also interesting--more homogeneous and with a relatively high level of basic preparation--based on observations in one rural area and a few small cities. The Germans are remembered fondly in Tanzania, as opposed to the British. The Germans left a lot of books behind, and some Tanzanians read German.

    Know nothing about the Seychelles save as a destination one never got around to visiting but where there are Muslims there is literacy save in forms quite different from what westerners easily recognize.

    Germans “remembered” in Tanzania? Their rule ended 100 years ago.

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    Not only remembered but well remembered. Indeed a few years back the German government paid stipends to the still living African veterans who fought against the British invaders.
    , @E. A. Costa
    "After the War, Lettow-Vorbeck petitioned the Weimar Republic (the government that replaced the German Empire) to pay the former German askaris’ pensions, but that system did not last long. Remarkably, however, in the 1960s, the West German Consul in Tanzania began paying surviving askaris their pensions. In 1975, Der Spiegel reported that those veterans who could not supply paperwork proving their service were asked to complete military drills with the orders given in German. Not one claimant failed the test."

    http://africanhistory.about.com/od/militaryhistory/fl/World-War-I-in-Africa.htm
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  33. Brian227 says:
    @utu
    "Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests."

    Some dogs can be taught many different useless tricks. Some other dogs get quickly bored when you try to teach them these tricks, so they have a reputation among trainers of not being very intelligent. But there are people who can train these "not very intelligent" dogs to do many useful things like hunting, guiding blinds, etc.

    Perhaps Blacks get bored more quickly while Asians and Whites can handle boring repetition that is required to prepare for the test much better.

    I am unsure if I get your point.

    Some dogs are very good at training humans, as I have experienced directlty. Perhaps it is the trainers who are not so intelligent, from the dogs’ point of view. It is equally likely that the dogs who became bored easily were more intelligent than those who learned the useless things quickly. They were able to judge what was not worthwhile and only responded when their objectives were being met.

    Is it your point that preparing for the test is a useless trick, and thus the lesson is that some groups are more responsive to external direction, while other groups are more attuned to their own needs and motivations?

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    Preparing for tests and studying mathematics is useless to many. This is particularly true in Africa. These are the tricks that do not help them in life. Some try to learn the tricks just to please their teacher just like some dogs that are more easily trainable than others. The one that do not have the disposition for being pleasing do not learn the tricks.
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  34. @reiner Tor

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore.
     
    No, they don't seem similar, because they aren't similar.

    Why*

    - little population* checked

    - greater GDP* checked

    - modern and highly urbanized* checked

    - higher % of rich people* checked

    - higher % of foreign workers* checked

    - geographically strategic places* checked

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  35. @Aron
    95 percentile of Kenya's score is 100 points below bottom 5 percentile of Kenya's teachers.

    IQtards who think that TIMSS and PISA is IQ will say that Kenya's teachers are top 0.0001 percent of population (even though there is 1 teacher for 100 kids) and hence "average teacher in Kenya scores 225 points higher than average kid in Kenya".

    Someone with a common sense will say that "teachers teach for many years and are better equipped with maths problem solving". Which can explain the academic scores of all nations.

    IQtards who think that TIMSS and PISA is IQ

    I think you want to say

    ”TIMSS and PISA are ways to measure cognitive skills, as well IQ does”

    IQ as well other ways to measure intelligence clearly measure abstract skills over concrete ones.

    How to apply abstract human inventions (language and numbers) into concrete real-world stuff*

    And more, how to apply abstract constructions OF simple abstractions (abstraction OF abstraction).

    Teachers tend to be naturally smarter than their ”pupils”. It’s not just a african feature, in USA, teachers tend to score 10 points above than the students. Teachers are clearly smarter than most of their students not just because they have familiarity with scholastic material but also because they are more engaged at the point to become/ to work as a teacher.

    In terms of ”intellectual curiosity/openess” teachers, on avg, are clearly more engaged, intrinsically motivated.

    Everyone with IQ above 100-105 can teach some abstract stuff to other people.

    Some (or many) smarter people are so saturated/addicted with abstract ideas they becoming progressively distant from concrete reality, and concrete reality is solidly composed by naked-eye patterns.

    The wiser is someone who can come and go between these two worlds without losing oneself.

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    I’ve had some success in tutoring lower level math by merely explaining that “abstract” means a not real representation of something, i.e. “abstract art” is redundant. Initially a crutch, after gaining experience they do better with “pure math” without envisioning some reality represented in the math.

    Since thinking is also an abstraction, the underlying concept appears to be readily available to most all. But the concept doesn’t appear to be intuitive.
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  36. @Gavan
    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

    You beat me to it. Yet we don’t seem to see Norway in articles about W. European nations being overrun with Third World rabble. Too much fish oil in their diet?

    Also, I failed to spot France and Germany in the roster.

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  37. @Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften
    Let's take this moment and enjoy a load of over the top kitsch and purple prose:

    "“Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty — a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture, without appeal to any part of our weaker nature, without the gorgeous trappings of painting or music, yet sublimely pure, and capable of a stern perfection such as only the greatest art can show. The true spirit of delight, the exaltation, the sense of being more than Man, which is the touchstone of the highest excellence, is to be found in mathematics as surely as poetry”.

    All Bertrand Russell’s mistresses (and probably most of his students) were very impressed when he talked like that. Wittgenstein, to give him credit, was not.

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  38. utu says:
    @Brian227
    I am unsure if I get your point.

    Some dogs are very good at training humans, as I have experienced directlty. Perhaps it is the trainers who are not so intelligent, from the dogs' point of view. It is equally likely that the dogs who became bored easily were more intelligent than those who learned the useless things quickly. They were able to judge what was not worthwhile and only responded when their objectives were being met.

    Is it your point that preparing for the test is a useless trick, and thus the lesson is that some groups are more responsive to external direction, while other groups are more attuned to their own needs and motivations?

    Preparing for tests and studying mathematics is useless to many. This is particularly true in Africa. These are the tricks that do not help them in life. Some try to learn the tricks just to please their teacher just like some dogs that are more easily trainable than others. The one that do not have the disposition for being pleasing do not learn the tricks.

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  39. utu says:
    @Brian227
    This desperate search by some for a genetic relationship between intelligence and race is full of fuzzy logic and fuzzy facts. One important distinction is between intelligence and achievement. TIMMS is an achievement test designed to grade levels of learning achieved at a particular level of education whereas IQ usually is regarded as a general ability somewhat linked to achievement but not by any well-established causality. The American Psychological Association has this to say:

    "Binet equated intelligence with common sense. He called intelligence "judgment…good sense…the faculty of adapting one's self to circumstances." Binet also believed that intelligence is a combination of many skills - skills that are shaped heavily by the environment. His research goal was to help teachers adapt their teaching methods to the needs and abilities of individual students. Students with a weakness in math, for example, could receive special attention in this specific area.

    Things changed when IQ and achievement tests were transplanted to America. Some researchers continued to believe that intelligence is a learned combination of many different skills and abilities. Others, however, assumed that intelligence is a single trait that is heavily determined by genetics. Some people further assumed that there are large ethnic or racial differences in general intelligence. A new wave of research now supports Binet's original, more progressive, assumptions. For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ. For example, the Flynn effect means that Blacks today have a higher average IQ performance than Whites of 60 or 70 years ago. This difference cannot be genetic because human gene pools do not change over such short periods (see Neisser, 1998)."

    The reference at the end is to: Neisser, U. (1998). Introduction: Rising test scores and what they mean. In U. Neisser (Ed.) The rising curve; Long-term gains in IQ and related measures. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association

    “For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ.”

    The Flynn effect is the Achilles heel of the whole IQ.Inc. I suspect the effect was known before Flynn found it under the carpet where it was being swept over the years. Any other scientific venture confronted with the fact that the ruler it uses to measure some entity is apparently shrinking would begin to question the ruler or the definition of the entity the ruler was supposed measure. It did not happen in the IQ.Inc. They just came up with the correction factor and pretend that nothing has happened particularly among the racialist faction. It is interesting that the beneficiaries of the Flynn effect are some death row prisoners whose IQ after the Flynn correction can be pushed down below the threshold of mental retardation making them ineligible for execution.

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    Swept under the carpet? Richard Lynn noticed it before Flynn did.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You vastly exaggerate the importance of the Flynn effect's confirmation of the known and obvious, namely that what IQ tests measure isn't entirely a function of genetic inheritance. Was it a blow against Copernicus or Newton that Jupiter could be observed to distort the other planets orbits? And continuity of differences between averages and the measure Larry Summers got into trouble over, viz. standard deviation, remains unaffected by Flynn (as he would acknowledge).
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  40. pyrrhus says:
    @dearieme
    "If teachers are one standard deviation above the national mean, then they would have IQs of 91, if two standard deviations above the mean still only 106. This is not a level likely to inculcate in their students a passion for Maths": I wonder.

    Is it possible that there might be a phenomenon whereby if a teacher is far cleverer than his pupils it can sometimes be a disadvantage? Could there be an optimal IQ gap? (Some sort of age-correction might be needed to make this question meaningful.) But maybe not, maybe the problem is far too intricate to be summarised by such a glib suggestion.

    I wonder whether it could work the other way round late in Secondary School : if the pupil was cleverer than the teacher by too large a margin it might become harder for the teacher to succeed. Maybe that means that in Secondary Schools the cleverest teachers should generally teach the oldest and cleverest pupils. I shouldn't be surprised if schools learned this lesson millennia ago.

    P.S. I'm not being negative. I dare say that your suggestion that gap-yah kids teach maths is a good one. The teachers' unions in Africa won't like it though.

    I think you are quite right, dearieme. In my experience as both teacher and pupil, it’s best if the brightest teachers teach the best students, midlevel teachers being given the mediocre students, and so on. We could call it “assortive teaching”….

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  41. woodNfish says:

    if young Europeans school-leavers with good maths qualifications intending to do good works in Africa want to be most effective, instead of digging ditches they should concentrate on teaching Maths.

    And if they weren’t race traitors, they would concentrate on doing their good works in their own countries.

    This paper completes a jigsaw puzzle, and extends the global scholastic attainment dataset by 14 countries. It confirms the Lynn assessments as likely to be correct, within a measurement error of roughly 4 IQ points. For these countries at least, it gives no hint of exceptional talents beyond that expected on the basis of intelligence testing.

    It’s poor quality research that doesn’t break out the individual ranks within countries by race. If it did the USA would be near the top with the European nations which are mostly left out.

    It also shows that intelligence isn’t everything if it isn’t coupled with creativity. Proof? – What have any of the top five nations on the list ever given to the world?

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    Creativity seems pretty hard to define. Would you define creativity as original ideas?
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  42. OutWest says:
    @Santoculto
    IQtards who think that TIMSS and PISA is IQ

    I think you want to say

    ''TIMSS and PISA are ways to measure cognitive skills, as well IQ does''

    IQ as well other ways to measure intelligence clearly measure abstract skills over concrete ones.

    How to apply abstract human inventions (language and numbers) into concrete real-world stuff*

    And more, how to apply abstract constructions OF simple abstractions (abstraction OF abstraction).


    Teachers tend to be naturally smarter than their ''pupils''. It's not just a african feature, in USA, teachers tend to score 10 points above than the students. Teachers are clearly smarter than most of their students not just because they have familiarity with scholastic material but also because they are more engaged at the point to become/ to work as a teacher.

    In terms of ''intellectual curiosity/openess'' teachers, on avg, are clearly more engaged, intrinsically motivated.

    Everyone with IQ above 100-105 can teach some abstract stuff to other people.

    Some (or many) smarter people are so saturated/addicted with abstract ideas they becoming progressively distant from concrete reality, and concrete reality is solidly composed by naked-eye patterns.

    The wiser is someone who can come and go between these two worlds without losing oneself.

    I’ve had some success in tutoring lower level math by merely explaining that “abstract” means a not real representation of something, i.e. “abstract art” is redundant. Initially a crutch, after gaining experience they do better with “pure math” without envisioning some reality represented in the math.

    Since thinking is also an abstraction, the underlying concept appears to be readily available to most all. But the concept doesn’t appear to be intuitive.

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    Yes i know if i understood your comment that many people believe that logic-deductive thinking = math, abstract thinking = math, but it's not just it...

    I thought i'm very good to understand and to develop verbal-abstract (redundant or abstraction of abstraction) ideas. And i apply ''proportionality'' into the real world and existential stuff, basically what hbd and other departments to do. Proportionality is the basis to the mathematic or symbolic quantification of this proportions, the incontable contrasts of the reality/existence, subsequent manipulation and building from it.

    I like to say i'm just like a calculator that don't know to do math accounts, of course a self-exageration via japanese cultural norms, ;)
    , @Santoculto
    The basis of mathematical knowledge is itself distant from personal knowledge (psychology for example), this explain partially why many or most people tend to be more attracted to the second type of knowledge than to the first, so impersonal knowledge, itself a radical ''out of savannah'' knowledge, is already base-d in abstract construct, not exactly because their core-nature/core-concept, if mathematical skills is part of instinctive knowledge of many if not most of non-human species, but because their impersonal nature, if instinct tend to mean self-interest, even at rudimentar/superficial ways (little introspection).

    Non-human animals as well medianity of most of human beings tend to gravitates between introspection and extrospection, little introspective ( too much = self-atomization, balanced with extrospection = self-knowledge) and little extrospective (too much = madness, balanced with introspection, generally ''turn off the introspection, but specially, self-interest'' = science).

    Humans pay attention to so many stuff that are not directly correlated with their own survive and it's good for our accumulation of knowledge or even decisive. Looking for behavior of most non-human animals, they tend to be quite self-interested to preserve themselves instead to understand themselves better or introspection, or to understand their exterior world/reality better, or extrospection.
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  43. @Wizard of Oz
    Germans "remembered" in Tanzania? Their rule ended 100 years ago.

    Not only remembered but well remembered. Indeed a few years back the German government paid stipends to the still living African veterans who fought against the British invaders.

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    Given the Weimar inflation, I wonder what those pensions were worth. Or did the Nazis restore the value of military pensions?
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  44. @whateva
    A chimp or gorilla can also throw a rock at a predator to chase it away. I am pretty sure that a man with a PhD in math could also throw a rock. However, I am also confident that a chimp or gorilla or Maasai kid could not learn even the simplest math. Your post was quite unintentionally one of the silliest things I have ever read.

    Guess you have never read Plato’s Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    The throw is controlled so that the hardwood ball hits the target.

    Maasai males, from the time they are youngsters, generally carry three of them.

    A leopard hit square on in the dark by the campfire doesn’t argue after two of three belts at distance. It just runs off.

    Many of the shepherd kids also sport scars from leopards at closer quarters. For that they carry a small spear.

    Now, find the right hard wood, carve your throwing stick, learn to throw it accurately at, say, thirty yards, and then shove it up your ass.

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    corr: exquisitely, a one hundred miles per hour
    , @Sam Shama
    You are right in your positions. I've often wondered whether those we consider less developed or indeed those "dumb creatures of Gd" are looking at us ruefully, and asking "What on earth is their purpose?"
    , @syonredux

    Guess you have never read Plato’s Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.
     
    Dear fellow, when can we expect to see Maasai versions of Diophantus, Hipparchus, and Archimedes?Ten years from now? A hundred? A thousand?
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  45. @E. A. Costa
    Guess you have never read Plato's Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    The throw is controlled so that the hardwood ball hits the target.

    Maasai males, from the time they are youngsters, generally carry three of them.

    A leopard hit square on in the dark by the campfire doesn't argue after two of three belts at distance. It just runs off.

    Many of the shepherd kids also sport scars from leopards at closer quarters. For that they carry a small spear.

    Now, find the right hard wood, carve your throwing stick, learn to throw it accurately at, say, thirty yards, and then shove it up your ass.

    corr: exquisitely, a one hundred miles per hour

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  46. mkat says:

    Dear Dr Thompson.

    i have followed you for years, and Unz for years. I both admire you, and fear for you, in your dip into the bigger, badder webs. As you have seen, many respondents are simply crazed, many have an IQ less than 100 and cannot make meaningful contributions to any discussion, and many are intelligent and pragmatic. I hope you can navigate your way with your customary grace, intelligence and aplomb. Reading the comments already posted made me realise why Razib took a pit-bull approach to commentators; I think you can be more gracious but I hope will not be dismayed by the dreck when there is a pony somewhere in there,

    take care out there, and thank you for your service to truth in an age which both loves and rewards lies

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    Be fair, it would be extremely difficult to be less gracious than Razib.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Does your pseudonym derive from Meerkat as I guess? If so my hands clap in modest but genuine applause.
    , @James Thompson
    Thanks. There is a balance to be found between reaching only those who already know the subject and the wider audience where levels of knowledge are more variable. The wider audience, however, are not ignorant. They have read what was available to them, and my aim is to give bring research findings to that wider audience, because what is available to them is often restricted in range and in points of view.
    For example, the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability. In the way that national examinations do a good job in sorting candidates by scholastic attainments, intelligence tests do a good job in sorting people by ability. Comparing ability levels across generations is more difficult, but not impossible.
    I realize I will have to repeat many topics, and comment on many old arguments, but that is what I am trying to do anyway, in the hope that I contribute to a better understanding of research on human ability.
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  47. Sam Shama says:
    @Gavan
    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

    Overabundant natural resource curse. It’d be interesting to see how, for instance, Texas fares relative to the national average.

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  48. @OutWest
    I’ve had some success in tutoring lower level math by merely explaining that “abstract” means a not real representation of something, i.e. “abstract art” is redundant. Initially a crutch, after gaining experience they do better with “pure math” without envisioning some reality represented in the math.

    Since thinking is also an abstraction, the underlying concept appears to be readily available to most all. But the concept doesn’t appear to be intuitive.

    Yes i know if i understood your comment that many people believe that logic-deductive thinking = math, abstract thinking = math, but it’s not just it…

    I thought i’m very good to understand and to develop verbal-abstract (redundant or abstraction of abstraction) ideas. And i apply ”proportionality” into the real world and existential stuff, basically what hbd and other departments to do. Proportionality is the basis to the mathematic or symbolic quantification of this proportions, the incontable contrasts of the reality/existence, subsequent manipulation and building from it.

    I like to say i’m just like a calculator that don’t know to do math accounts, of course a self-exageration via japanese cultural norms, ;)

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  49. IA says:
    @Clyde

    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It’s main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it’s own.
     
    Is this the one? Do tell! I am very interested in seeing the documentary you talk about. Thanks!
    Empire of Dust [2011] China in Africa
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

    Thanks for the link. The Chinese look like they’re losing their minds.

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    You are quite welcome. You mentioned movie "White Material". I am getting it right now.
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  50. @Wizard of Oz
    Germans "remembered" in Tanzania? Their rule ended 100 years ago.

    “After the War, Lettow-Vorbeck petitioned the Weimar Republic (the government that replaced the German Empire) to pay the former German askaris’ pensions, but that system did not last long. Remarkably, however, in the 1960s, the West German Consul in Tanzania began paying surviving askaris their pensions. In 1975, Der Spiegel reported that those veterans who could not supply paperwork proving their service were asked to complete military drills with the orders given in German. Not one claimant failed the test.”

    http://africanhistory.about.com/od/militaryhistory/fl/World-War-I-in-Africa.htm

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  51. dearieme says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Not only remembered but well remembered. Indeed a few years back the German government paid stipends to the still living African veterans who fought against the British invaders.

    Given the Weimar inflation, I wonder what those pensions were worth. Or did the Nazis restore the value of military pensions?

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    Now that's the sort of nice short point/question which, though not world shatteringly important, makes UR comments worth a glance.
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  52. dearieme says:
    @mkat
    Dear Dr Thompson.

    i have followed you for years, and Unz for years. I both admire you, and fear for you, in your dip into the bigger, badder webs. As you have seen, many respondents are simply crazed, many have an IQ less than 100 and cannot make meaningful contributions to any discussion, and many are intelligent and pragmatic. I hope you can navigate your way with your customary grace, intelligence and aplomb. Reading the comments already posted made me realise why Razib took a pit-bull approach to commentators; I think you can be more gracious but I hope will not be dismayed by the dreck when there is a pony somewhere in there,

    take care out there, and thank you for your service to truth in an age which both loves and rewards lies

    Be fair, it would be extremely difficult to be less gracious than Razib.

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  53. Sam Shama says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Guess you have never read Plato's Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    The throw is controlled so that the hardwood ball hits the target.

    Maasai males, from the time they are youngsters, generally carry three of them.

    A leopard hit square on in the dark by the campfire doesn't argue after two of three belts at distance. It just runs off.

    Many of the shepherd kids also sport scars from leopards at closer quarters. For that they carry a small spear.

    Now, find the right hard wood, carve your throwing stick, learn to throw it accurately at, say, thirty yards, and then shove it up your ass.

    You are right in your positions. I’ve often wondered whether those we consider less developed or indeed those “dumb creatures of Gd” are looking at us ruefully, and asking “What on earth is their purpose?”

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  54. @OutWest
    I’ve had some success in tutoring lower level math by merely explaining that “abstract” means a not real representation of something, i.e. “abstract art” is redundant. Initially a crutch, after gaining experience they do better with “pure math” without envisioning some reality represented in the math.

    Since thinking is also an abstraction, the underlying concept appears to be readily available to most all. But the concept doesn’t appear to be intuitive.

    The basis of mathematical knowledge is itself distant from personal knowledge (psychology for example), this explain partially why many or most people tend to be more attracted to the second type of knowledge than to the first, so impersonal knowledge, itself a radical ”out of savannah” knowledge, is already base-d in abstract construct, not exactly because their core-nature/core-concept, if mathematical skills is part of instinctive knowledge of many if not most of non-human species, but because their impersonal nature, if instinct tend to mean self-interest, even at rudimentar/superficial ways (little introspection).

    Non-human animals as well medianity of most of human beings tend to gravitates between introspection and extrospection, little introspective ( too much = self-atomization, balanced with extrospection = self-knowledge) and little extrospective (too much = madness, balanced with introspection, generally ”turn off the introspection, but specially, self-interest” = science).

    Humans pay attention to so many stuff that are not directly correlated with their own survive and it’s good for our accumulation of knowledge or even decisive. Looking for behavior of most non-human animals, they tend to be quite self-interested to preserve themselves instead to understand themselves better or introspection, or to understand their exterior world/reality better, or extrospection.

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  55. syonredux says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Guess you have never read Plato's Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    The throw is controlled so that the hardwood ball hits the target.

    Maasai males, from the time they are youngsters, generally carry three of them.

    A leopard hit square on in the dark by the campfire doesn't argue after two of three belts at distance. It just runs off.

    Many of the shepherd kids also sport scars from leopards at closer quarters. For that they carry a small spear.

    Now, find the right hard wood, carve your throwing stick, learn to throw it accurately at, say, thirty yards, and then shove it up your ass.

    Guess you have never read Plato’s Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.

    Dear fellow, when can we expect to see Maasai versions of Diophantus, Hipparchus, and Archimedes?Ten years from now? A hundred? A thousand?

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    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler's approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.
    , @jacques sheete
    Dear fellow, did you even read what he said about the Masai?
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  56. @syonredux

    Guess you have never read Plato’s Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.
     
    Dear fellow, when can we expect to see Maasai versions of Diophantus, Hipparchus, and Archimedes?Ten years from now? A hundred? A thousand?

    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.

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    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.
     
    Yes, dear fellow, I did. And I find your enthusiasm for Spengler most adorable. Reminds me of me when I was 14.

    But, going back to my previous question, when should we expect the Maasai to start producing top-tier mathematicians? Given the population explosion in Africa, that is a question of some moment for the entire globe....

    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:
     
    And, of course, she was Anglo.......

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

     

    MMM, it's a fine line, the boundary between Spanish and gibberish....
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  57. phil says:
    @Brian227
    This desperate search by some for a genetic relationship between intelligence and race is full of fuzzy logic and fuzzy facts. One important distinction is between intelligence and achievement. TIMMS is an achievement test designed to grade levels of learning achieved at a particular level of education whereas IQ usually is regarded as a general ability somewhat linked to achievement but not by any well-established causality. The American Psychological Association has this to say:

    "Binet equated intelligence with common sense. He called intelligence "judgment…good sense…the faculty of adapting one's self to circumstances." Binet also believed that intelligence is a combination of many skills - skills that are shaped heavily by the environment. His research goal was to help teachers adapt their teaching methods to the needs and abilities of individual students. Students with a weakness in math, for example, could receive special attention in this specific area.

    Things changed when IQ and achievement tests were transplanted to America. Some researchers continued to believe that intelligence is a learned combination of many different skills and abilities. Others, however, assumed that intelligence is a single trait that is heavily determined by genetics. Some people further assumed that there are large ethnic or racial differences in general intelligence. A new wave of research now supports Binet's original, more progressive, assumptions. For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ. For example, the Flynn effect means that Blacks today have a higher average IQ performance than Whites of 60 or 70 years ago. This difference cannot be genetic because human gene pools do not change over such short periods (see Neisser, 1998)."

    The reference at the end is to: Neisser, U. (1998). Introduction: Rising test scores and what they mean. In U. Neisser (Ed.) The rising curve; Long-term gains in IQ and related measures. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association

    The Flynn effect matters for life outcomes, but ‘g’ (‘general intelligence’) matters more. The cognitive deficit of people of sub-Saharan African descent is primarily on ‘g’. The Flynn effect does not, per se, increase ‘g’.

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    Hi, phil. Thanks for the comment.

    Perhaps you could concretely demonstrate to me the meaning of this "g" in a way that makes your comment have sufficient content for me to get the point. As I understand it, "g" is an indirectly observed concept that is derived from analysis of statistical results obtained in IQ and similar tests. Its actual makeup and how it can be directly measured remains a matter of conjecture. Since it, "g" that is, is derived from an analysis of tests that are subject to the Flynn effect, by definition the nature and validity (perhaps even the existence) of "g" comes into question.

    For instance, it is possible to measure the length of the coastline of the U.K. using a metre-long measuring tool and a result can be stated. However, using a centimetre-long measuring tool for the same task yields a different result (much longer when the centimetre result is converted to metres). This inflation continues as the unit of basic measure becomes shorter. So, how long is the coastline of the U.K.? The answer appears to be an artifact of the tool used to measure it as well as the existence of a coastline. The Flynn effect seems to indicate that something analogous might be happening with I.Q. scores. The Flynn effect may indicate that the tool being used is inaccurate, or that the result depends on what is the object of the exercise when the measurement is taken, or... something else. In other words, the Flynn effect does seem to caste a lot of doubt on what "g" is, exactly, and the tools we employ when we derive its existence.

    This does not mean that measurement is useless. It is quite useful to know how many metres long is the coastline of the U.K. when you set out to walk its length. Binet was concerned with this level of useful measurement and not with difficult questions about difficult to define and measure ideas (theories) such as "g".
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  58. Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:

    Euclid alone has looked on Beauty bare.
    Let all who prate of Beauty hold their peace,
    And lay them prone upon the earth and cease
    To ponder on themselves, the while they stare
    At nothing, intricately drawn nowhere
    In shapes of shifting lineage; let geese
    Gabble and hiss, but heroes seek release
    From dusty bondage into luminous air.
    O blinding hour, O holy, terrible day,
    When first the shaft into his vision shone
    Of light anatomized! Euclid alone
    Has looked on Beauty bare. Fortunate they
    Who, though once only and then but far away,
    Have heard her massive sandal set on stone.

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

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    I don't read much poetry, or verse or doggerel and I haven't wriiten an essay or exam answer on poetry in any language, or on literature as such, since I was just 16 so I thank you for prompting me to think about the nature of poetry and its purpose. I suppose it has several purposes, often colluding, including simple mnemonics, the evocation of emotion which can even be irrational, ????
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  59. @utu
    "For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ."

    The Flynn effect is the Achilles heel of the whole IQ.Inc. I suspect the effect was known before Flynn found it under the carpet where it was being swept over the years. Any other scientific venture confronted with the fact that the ruler it uses to measure some entity is apparently shrinking would begin to question the ruler or the definition of the entity the ruler was supposed measure. It did not happen in the IQ.Inc. They just came up with the correction factor and pretend that nothing has happened particularly among the racialist faction. It is interesting that the beneficiaries of the Flynn effect are some death row prisoners whose IQ after the Flynn correction can be pushed down below the threshold of mental retardation making them ineligible for execution.

    Swept under the carpet? Richard Lynn noticed it before Flynn did.

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  60. @woodNfish

    if young Europeans school-leavers with good maths qualifications intending to do good works in Africa want to be most effective, instead of digging ditches they should concentrate on teaching Maths.
     
    And if they weren't race traitors, they would concentrate on doing their good works in their own countries.

    This paper completes a jigsaw puzzle, and extends the global scholastic attainment dataset by 14 countries. It confirms the Lynn assessments as likely to be correct, within a measurement error of roughly 4 IQ points. For these countries at least, it gives no hint of exceptional talents beyond that expected on the basis of intelligence testing.
     
    It's poor quality research that doesn't break out the individual ranks within countries by race. If it did the USA would be near the top with the European nations which are mostly left out.

    It also shows that intelligence isn't everything if it isn't coupled with creativity. Proof? - What have any of the top five nations on the list ever given to the world?

    Creativity seems pretty hard to define. Would you define creativity as original ideas?

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    Would you define creativity as original ideas?
     
    Ideas are often original because they're dumb ideas. Other people have thought of them and quickly dismissed them as being worthless. People who think they're creative are often simply too dim to understand the worthlessness of their original ideas.

    The entire history of western art, literature, science and philosophy over the past hundred of years or so has been littered with dumb original ideas. Abstract expressionism, postmodernism, stream of consciousness, the International Style in architecture, Freudianism, global warming, transgenderism - all original ideas, all stupid and wrong.

    Original ideas that actually work and make sense, or at least work better than the existing ideas, might be a better definition.

    I had a friend who was a schizophrenic. He used to talk to fence posts because he thought they were androids from another planet. That was an original idea but not a very useful one.
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  61. syonredux says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler's approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.

    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.

    Yes, dear fellow, I did. And I find your enthusiasm for Spengler most adorable. Reminds me of me when I was 14.

    But, going back to my previous question, when should we expect the Maasai to start producing top-tier mathematicians? Given the population explosion in Africa, that is a question of some moment for the entire globe….

    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:

    And, of course, she was Anglo…….

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

    MMM, it’s a fine line, the boundary between Spanish and gibberish….

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    Haven't read any Empson--eh, little fella?

    The Spengler reference-you read that last year, when you were 14?

    Toynbee on the Hannibalic Wars is good. Beyond that, trash.
    , @E. A. Costa
    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter--oh my--a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!

    Back to your frightfully fly by night candelight now.
    , @E. A. Costa
    Oh, to answer your question. If, dear child, you ever happen to be among the Maasai, and the gods look favorably upon you, you might just be lucky enough to SEE in the flesh the kairos embodied in the Moschophoros

    One saw it once and it was chilling in the beauty of its unveiling, like assembling the model of the DNA molecule for the first time or first grasping the Lorentz transformation.

    How long ago was the sculpture? Does it matter?

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  62. @Gavan
    Saudi Arabian per-capita GDP $53,600. They spend over 20% of per capita GDP on education per pupil according to http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GB.ZS?locations=SA. United States spends something like 13%. Very revealing, since it tends to disentangle wealth and spending from educational level/development.

    The bulk of the spending is likely to be for make-work public sector jobs to keep the natives busy.

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  64. @dearieme
    Given the Weimar inflation, I wonder what those pensions were worth. Or did the Nazis restore the value of military pensions?

    Now that’s the sort of nice short point/question which, though not world shatteringly important, makes UR comments worth a glance.

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  65. @syonredux

    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.
     
    Yes, dear fellow, I did. And I find your enthusiasm for Spengler most adorable. Reminds me of me when I was 14.

    But, going back to my previous question, when should we expect the Maasai to start producing top-tier mathematicians? Given the population explosion in Africa, that is a question of some moment for the entire globe....

    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:
     
    And, of course, she was Anglo.......

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

     

    MMM, it's a fine line, the boundary between Spanish and gibberish....

    Haven’t read any Empson–eh, little fella?

    The Spengler reference-you read that last year, when you were 14?

    Toynbee on the Hannibalic Wars is good. Beyond that, trash.

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    Haven’t read any Empson–eh, little fella?
     
    Just what was required in graduate school (Seven Types of Ambiguity,etc) dear boy....although I did know a fellow who wrote his dissertation on spy fiction. He was quite taken with James Jesus Angleton's fondness for Empson....

    The Spengler reference-you read that last year, when you were 14?
     
    If only. No, that would have been back in '94. Spengler's just about right for adolescent Anglos and Hispanic adults.....

    Toynbee on the Hannibalic Wars is good. Beyond that, trash.
     
    Spengler vs Toynbee: a duel of blowhards....
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  66. @mkat
    Dear Dr Thompson.

    i have followed you for years, and Unz for years. I both admire you, and fear for you, in your dip into the bigger, badder webs. As you have seen, many respondents are simply crazed, many have an IQ less than 100 and cannot make meaningful contributions to any discussion, and many are intelligent and pragmatic. I hope you can navigate your way with your customary grace, intelligence and aplomb. Reading the comments already posted made me realise why Razib took a pit-bull approach to commentators; I think you can be more gracious but I hope will not be dismayed by the dreck when there is a pony somewhere in there,

    take care out there, and thank you for your service to truth in an age which both loves and rewards lies

    Does your pseudonym derive from Meerkat as I guess? If so my hands clap in modest but genuine applause.

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  67. @syonredux

    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.
     
    Yes, dear fellow, I did. And I find your enthusiasm for Spengler most adorable. Reminds me of me when I was 14.

    But, going back to my previous question, when should we expect the Maasai to start producing top-tier mathematicians? Given the population explosion in Africa, that is a question of some moment for the entire globe....

    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:
     
    And, of course, she was Anglo.......

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

     

    MMM, it's a fine line, the boundary between Spanish and gibberish....

    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter–oh my–a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!

    Back to your frightfully fly by night candelight now.

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    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

     

    Knowledge of French acquired in childhood, once a fairly common thing in the Anglosphere. If memory serves, FDR picked up his command of French and German from his childhood governesses....

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter–oh my–a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!
     
    Whereas our current crop of Mexican Mestizo immigrants scarcely reads anything at all:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html


    But, getting back to mathematics....Latin America finally won a Fields medal back in 2014 (I won't bore you by listing all the winners from Anglo-America). Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?
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  68. @utu
    "For example, researchers have shown that IQs have been steadily rising, year by year, all over the industrialized world. This historical tendency for average IQ to increase is called the Flynn effect, named after James R. Flynn. The Flynn effect has profound implications for how one thinks about IQ."

    The Flynn effect is the Achilles heel of the whole IQ.Inc. I suspect the effect was known before Flynn found it under the carpet where it was being swept over the years. Any other scientific venture confronted with the fact that the ruler it uses to measure some entity is apparently shrinking would begin to question the ruler or the definition of the entity the ruler was supposed measure. It did not happen in the IQ.Inc. They just came up with the correction factor and pretend that nothing has happened particularly among the racialist faction. It is interesting that the beneficiaries of the Flynn effect are some death row prisoners whose IQ after the Flynn correction can be pushed down below the threshold of mental retardation making them ineligible for execution.

    You vastly exaggerate the importance of the Flynn effect’s confirmation of the known and obvious, namely that what IQ tests measure isn’t entirely a function of genetic inheritance. Was it a blow against Copernicus or Newton that Jupiter could be observed to distort the other planets orbits? And continuity of differences between averages and the measure Larry Summers got into trouble over, viz. standard deviation, remains unaffected by Flynn (as he would acknowledge).

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    Copernicus in many way was much wiser than his followers. He knew that circular orbits computationally did not work and had to be supplemented with epicycles and most importantly he knew he had no proof that solar system is heliocentric that it was just a computational model inspired by Aristotelian principles on ideal forms and shapes. Heliocentric model of Copernicus did not come from empirical observations because it could not at that time. It came form the aesthetic imperative. And Newton's knowledge of the law of gravitation and its consequences was very deep. It is amazing to what lengths he went to justify his equation and the exponent of 2 with consideration of orbit stability... Interactions among planets was obvious to him.

    To demonstrate that "standard deviation remains unaffected by Flynn" is not a piece of cake.
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  69. syonredux says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Haven't read any Empson--eh, little fella?

    The Spengler reference-you read that last year, when you were 14?

    Toynbee on the Hannibalic Wars is good. Beyond that, trash.

    Haven’t read any Empson–eh, little fella?

    Just what was required in graduate school (Seven Types of Ambiguity,etc) dear boy….although I did know a fellow who wrote his dissertation on spy fiction. He was quite taken with James Jesus Angleton’s fondness for Empson….

    The Spengler reference-you read that last year, when you were 14?

    If only. No, that would have been back in ’94. Spengler’s just about right for adolescent Anglos and Hispanic adults…..

    Toynbee on the Hannibalic Wars is good. Beyond that, trash.

    Spengler vs Toynbee: a duel of blowhards….

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  70. @E. A. Costa
    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:

    Euclid alone has looked on Beauty bare.
    Let all who prate of Beauty hold their peace,
    And lay them prone upon the earth and cease
    To ponder on themselves, the while they stare
    At nothing, intricately drawn nowhere
    In shapes of shifting lineage; let geese
    Gabble and hiss, but heroes seek release
    From dusty bondage into luminous air.
    O blinding hour, O holy, terrible day,
    When first the shaft into his vision shone
    Of light anatomized! Euclid alone
    Has looked on Beauty bare. Fortunate they
    Who, though once only and then but far away,
    Have heard her massive sandal set on stone.

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid's Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into "IQ", jeje.

    I don’t read much poetry, or verse or doggerel and I haven’t wriiten an essay or exam answer on poetry in any language, or on literature as such, since I was just 16 so I thank you for prompting me to think about the nature of poetry and its purpose. I suppose it has several purposes, often colluding, including simple mnemonics, the evocation of emotion which can even be irrational, ????

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  71. @syonredux

    Guess you did not read the reference to Oswald Spengler on Australian aborigines and boomerangs.

    In fact, Spengler’s approach, in which mathematics is central, is pertinent to the whole discussion.

    Forget the Toynbee trash and get cracking.
     
    Yes, dear fellow, I did. And I find your enthusiasm for Spengler most adorable. Reminds me of me when I was 14.

    But, going back to my previous question, when should we expect the Maasai to start producing top-tier mathematicians? Given the population explosion in Africa, that is a question of some moment for the entire globe....

    Merely by the way nothing in this article, nor even in the title, holds a candle to Edna St. Vincent Millay:
     
    And, of course, she was Anglo.......

    Also by the way the piece includes as pivot a marvellously ambiguous allusion to Euclid’s Optics, now lost on most moderns, including supposed poets, mathematicians and fly-by-night researchers into “IQ”, jeje.

     

    MMM, it's a fine line, the boundary between Spanish and gibberish....

    Oh, to answer your question. If, dear child, you ever happen to be among the Maasai, and the gods look favorably upon you, you might just be lucky enough to SEE in the flesh the kairos embodied in the Moschophoros

    One saw it once and it was chilling in the beauty of its unveiling, like assembling the model of the DNA molecule for the first time or first grasping the Lorentz transformation.

    How long ago was the sculpture? Does it matter?

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  72. syonredux says:
    @E. A. Costa
    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter--oh my--a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!

    Back to your frightfully fly by night candelight now.

    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

    Knowledge of French acquired in childhood, once a fairly common thing in the Anglosphere. If memory serves, FDR picked up his command of French and German from his childhood governesses….

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter–oh my–a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!

    Whereas our current crop of Mexican Mestizo immigrants scarcely reads anything at all:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html

    But, getting back to mathematics….Latin America finally won a Fields medal back in 2014 (I won’t bore you by listing all the winners from Anglo-America). Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?

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    Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?

    (Chigozie) Henry Aniobi of Nigeria won four bronze medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad. I thought he was going to make some noise in the math world but he is at the University of Waterloo majoring in computer science, so we will see. He doesn't turn 40 until around 2036.

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  73. @Brian227
    The article I quoted in my earlier comment goes on to say:

    " According to Sternberg, practical intelligence is not assessed in traditional IQ tests, but it is easy to measure, and it allows people to adapt effectively to the demands of work and daily life. Sternberg asserts that practical intelligence predicts people's future job success at least as well as, if not better than, people's scores on traditional IQ tests (e.g., see Sternberg et al., 1995). With the cooperation of the College Board, Sternberg recently directed the Rainbow Project. This research project, carried out on 15 college campuses throughout the nation, was designed to supplement the SAT by adding measures of creativity and practical intelligence. Results show that the expanded SAT predicts actual success in college more accurately than traditional SAT scores. Initial results also suggest that the ethnic differences historically observed on the math and verbal portions of the SAT are greatly reduced for tests of creativity or practical intelligence."

    Other sources claim that traditional IQ tests administered repeatedly over time to the same people show variations that seem to be explained by circumstances, access to learning materials, health and other exogenous factors.

    Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.

    Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests.

    They aren’t. I’m too stupid to figure out where Justin Sandefur is getting his data, so I will just focus on the 2015 TIMSS.

    US black 4th graders scored 495 on the math 2015 TIMSS. They fell between Croatia 502, Slovak Republic 498, New Zealand 491, and France 488.

    Meanwhile US black 8th graders scored 462 in math between Malaysia 465, United Arab Emirates 465, Turkey 458, and Bahrain 454. New Zealand was 493.

    https://nces.ed.gov/timss/timss2015/

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  74. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You vastly exaggerate the importance of the Flynn effect's confirmation of the known and obvious, namely that what IQ tests measure isn't entirely a function of genetic inheritance. Was it a blow against Copernicus or Newton that Jupiter could be observed to distort the other planets orbits? And continuity of differences between averages and the measure Larry Summers got into trouble over, viz. standard deviation, remains unaffected by Flynn (as he would acknowledge).

    Copernicus in many way was much wiser than his followers. He knew that circular orbits computationally did not work and had to be supplemented with epicycles and most importantly he knew he had no proof that solar system is heliocentric that it was just a computational model inspired by Aristotelian principles on ideal forms and shapes. Heliocentric model of Copernicus did not come from empirical observations because it could not at that time. It came form the aesthetic imperative. And Newton’s knowledge of the law of gravitation and its consequences was very deep. It is amazing to what lengths he went to justify his equation and the exponent of 2 with consideration of orbit stability… Interactions among planets was obvious to him.

    To demonstrate that “standard deviation remains unaffected by Flynn” is not a piece of cake.

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  75. @Gavan
    The Norwegians are also conspicuous under-performers here, despite spending 17.5 % of GDP per capita on education, armed with that massive Sovereign Wealth Fund.

    Norwegian kindergarten is year 1, so for previous TIMSS Norway was actually testing 3rd graders for a fourth grade exam. That changed for TIMSS 2015. Norway now tests year 5 which is actually the 4th grade. On the 2015 4th grade math TIMSS Norway was eighth.

    Norway revised its assessed population to students in their 5th and 9th years of schooling to obtain better comparisons with Sweden and Finland. However, in previous TIMSS cycles Norway assessed students in their 4th and 8th years of schooling, which were defined as 4th and 8th grades but have been redefined as 3rd and 7th grades because year 1 in Norway is now considered the equivalent of a year of kindergarten. To maintain trend with previous TIMSS cycles, in 2015 Norway also collected data from students in their 4th and 8th years of schooling, which is used in trend tables.

    https://nces.ed.gov/timss/timss2015/timss2015_table01.asp

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  76. @syonredux

    Incidentally, there is a good chance Edna Saint Vincent Millay was bilingual, or partly bilingual, as a child, though one has not seen the subject covered.

     

    Knowledge of French acquired in childhood, once a fairly common thing in the Anglosphere. If memory serves, FDR picked up his command of French and German from his childhood governesses....

    Many of French Canadian stock in Maine were in those days, and even more recently.

    One knew a similar family from the area, the father a teacher in an English school, the mother a nurse, but they often spoke French at home.

    The daughter–oh my–a shared rocker at the foot of the basement stairs reading Molière!
     
    Whereas our current crop of Mexican Mestizo immigrants scarcely reads anything at all:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html


    But, getting back to mathematics....Latin America finally won a Fields medal back in 2014 (I won't bore you by listing all the winners from Anglo-America). Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?

    Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?

    (Chigozie) Henry Aniobi of Nigeria won four bronze medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad. I thought he was going to make some noise in the math world but he is at the University of Waterloo majoring in computer science, so we will see. He doesn’t turn 40 until around 2036.

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    So What.If it wasn't for Whites and Asians for that matter Blacks would never know anything about "math".
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  77. Bobzilla says:

    What, Israel is not on top? Oh, do tell!

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  78. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RaceRealist88
    Creativity seems pretty hard to define. Would you define creativity as original ideas?

    Would you define creativity as original ideas?

    Ideas are often original because they’re dumb ideas. Other people have thought of them and quickly dismissed them as being worthless. People who think they’re creative are often simply too dim to understand the worthlessness of their original ideas.

    The entire history of western art, literature, science and philosophy over the past hundred of years or so has been littered with dumb original ideas. Abstract expressionism, postmodernism, stream of consciousness, the International Style in architecture, Freudianism, global warming, transgenderism – all original ideas, all stupid and wrong.

    Original ideas that actually work and make sense, or at least work better than the existing ideas, might be a better definition.

    I had a friend who was a schizophrenic. He used to talk to fence posts because he thought they were androids from another planet. That was an original idea but not a very useful one.

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  79. Clyde says:
    @IA
    Thanks for the link. The Chinese look like they're losing their minds.

    You are quite welcome. You mentioned movie “White Material”. I am getting it right now.

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    I hope you like it. Claire Denis, the director, made a run-of-the-mill PC movie, Chocolat - whites bad, blacks good - many years earlier. Something happened to her in the interval. I'm actually surprised you can still find White Material. I ordered mine a couple of years ago on Amazon, I think.
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  80. Brian227 says:
    @phil
    The Flynn effect matters for life outcomes, but 'g' ('general intelligence') matters more. The cognitive deficit of people of sub-Saharan African descent is primarily on 'g'. The Flynn effect does not, per se, increase 'g'.

    Hi, phil. Thanks for the comment.

    Perhaps you could concretely demonstrate to me the meaning of this “g” in a way that makes your comment have sufficient content for me to get the point. As I understand it, “g” is an indirectly observed concept that is derived from analysis of statistical results obtained in IQ and similar tests. Its actual makeup and how it can be directly measured remains a matter of conjecture. Since it, “g” that is, is derived from an analysis of tests that are subject to the Flynn effect, by definition the nature and validity (perhaps even the existence) of “g” comes into question.

    For instance, it is possible to measure the length of the coastline of the U.K. using a metre-long measuring tool and a result can be stated. However, using a centimetre-long measuring tool for the same task yields a different result (much longer when the centimetre result is converted to metres). This inflation continues as the unit of basic measure becomes shorter. So, how long is the coastline of the U.K.? The answer appears to be an artifact of the tool used to measure it as well as the existence of a coastline. The Flynn effect seems to indicate that something analogous might be happening with I.Q. scores. The Flynn effect may indicate that the tool being used is inaccurate, or that the result depends on what is the object of the exercise when the measurement is taken, or… something else. In other words, the Flynn effect does seem to caste a lot of doubt on what “g” is, exactly, and the tools we employ when we derive its existence.

    This does not mean that measurement is useless. It is quite useful to know how many metres long is the coastline of the U.K. when you set out to walk its length. Binet was concerned with this level of useful measurement and not with difficult questions about difficult to define and measure ideas (theories) such as “g”.

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    The g factor by its definition cannot escape the Flynn effect problem. It is defined as the largest eigenvalue of a covariance matrix. If all variables that contributed to the matrix are time dependent due to the Flynn factor then also g will be time dependent.

    Analogy with the coast of UK and different rulers to measure its length is somewhat misleading. There are mathematical, physical and legal definitions of coast and its length and in principle the length of it is a finite number that can be approximated with successive measurements with more accurate rulers. The results of the measurements will converge to the true value. However in the business of intelligence we do not have a working definition of intelligence itself. All we have is the IQ test which we do not know what does it measure. By sleigh of hand trick intelligence is conflated with the result of the IQ test that is further reified by referring to both the intelligence and the result of IQ test as IQ. The Flynn effect forced some people to realized that IQ itself does not exists but all there is is the result of the IQ test, so some people were able to snap out from the world of reification.

    BTW, the mathematical definition of g factor is just a neat mathematical construct, which in itself is trivial for mathematically literate, that does not contribute anything to the understanding the concept of intelligence.
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  81. @mkat
    Dear Dr Thompson.

    i have followed you for years, and Unz for years. I both admire you, and fear for you, in your dip into the bigger, badder webs. As you have seen, many respondents are simply crazed, many have an IQ less than 100 and cannot make meaningful contributions to any discussion, and many are intelligent and pragmatic. I hope you can navigate your way with your customary grace, intelligence and aplomb. Reading the comments already posted made me realise why Razib took a pit-bull approach to commentators; I think you can be more gracious but I hope will not be dismayed by the dreck when there is a pony somewhere in there,

    take care out there, and thank you for your service to truth in an age which both loves and rewards lies

    Thanks. There is a balance to be found between reaching only those who already know the subject and the wider audience where levels of knowledge are more variable. The wider audience, however, are not ignorant. They have read what was available to them, and my aim is to give bring research findings to that wider audience, because what is available to them is often restricted in range and in points of view.
    For example, the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability. In the way that national examinations do a good job in sorting candidates by scholastic attainments, intelligence tests do a good job in sorting people by ability. Comparing ability levels across generations is more difficult, but not impossible.
    I realize I will have to repeat many topics, and comment on many old arguments, but that is what I am trying to do anyway, in the hope that I contribute to a better understanding of research on human ability.

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    Excellent!
    , @utu
    "the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability"

    You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson.
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  82. @syonredux

    Guess you have never read Plato’s Meno nor seen a throwing stick. They are carved of hardwood, balled at one end, and equisitely balanced. They can be thrown at more than one handred miles per hour.
     
    Dear fellow, when can we expect to see Maasai versions of Diophantus, Hipparchus, and Archimedes?Ten years from now? A hundred? A thousand?

    Dear fellow, did you even read what he said about the Masai?

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  83. IA says:
    @Clyde
    You are quite welcome. You mentioned movie "White Material". I am getting it right now.

    I hope you like it. Claire Denis, the director, made a run-of-the-mill PC movie, Chocolat – whites bad, blacks good – many years earlier. Something happened to her in the interval. I’m actually surprised you can still find White Material. I ordered mine a couple of years ago on Amazon, I think.

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    I saw a movie last night I thought would be half OK. Maybe it was. "The Accountant". I fell asleep in the movie theater. White Material is not like this for sure plus it covers subject matter I am interested in so thanks. I got it via a torr_ent site.
    Discovery TV had a few gold mining shows a few years ago when gold price was sky rocketing. One show took place in Africa and in one episode It showed how a connected Chinese company just moved into and took over a gold claim registered by two American gold prospectors. Ghana I am 98% sure it was.
    The Chinese posted armed Chinese guards at the gold claim.
    Chinese imperialists in Africa, will be interesting to see how this plays out. Road building is one way they gain entry to an African nation.
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  84. Judging by some of the comments, the IQ snobs never seem to give it a rest even though Lippman had it pretty well figured out nearly a hundred years ago.

    He warned us of the sappy and dangerous false conclusions many “high IQ” dingbats would draw. He was correct then and still is.

    “One has only to read around in the literature of the subject, but more especially in the work of popularizers like McDougall and Stoddard, to see how easily the Intelligence test can be turned into an engine of cruelty, how easily in the hands of blundering or prejudiced men it could turn into a method of stamping a permanent sense of inferiority upon the soul of a child.

    - Walter Lippmann, The Abuse of the Tests, The New Republic, November 15, 1922, p. 297 –

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/NewRepublic-1922nov15-00297

    “And in the meantime the psychologists will save themselves from the reproach of having opened up a new chance for quackery in a field where quacks breed like rabbits, and they will save themselves from the humiliation of having furnished doped evidence to the exponents of the New Snobbery.

    Walter Lippmann, A Future for the Tests, The New Republic
    , November 29, 1922, pp. 9-10

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/NewRepublic-1922nov29-00009

    “3. This benefit [of the tests] is in great danger of being offset by dangerous abuse if the claims of the intelligence testers are not purged of certain fundamental assumptions.
    4. The most important of these fundamental assumptions are: (a) that the intelligence test measures “intelligence,” (b) that “intelligence” is fixed by heredity, and that the intelligence test reveals and measures hereditary intelligence.

    Walter Lippmann, A Future for the Tests, The New Republic
    , November 29, 1922, p. 10

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/NewRepublic-1922nov29-00009

    May the purge begin!

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  85. IA says:

    Thinking about the Claire Denis movie mentioned by Clyde, White Material, it occurred to me that within a hundred years or so there will be no whites left in Africa. They’ll either be dead or will have found relatively safe refuge somewhere else. In the meantime, thanks to the white man’s penicillin, soaring African birth rates and PC, the black invasion of the West is escalating. We are insane.

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  86. iffen says:
    @James Thompson
    Thanks. There is a balance to be found between reaching only those who already know the subject and the wider audience where levels of knowledge are more variable. The wider audience, however, are not ignorant. They have read what was available to them, and my aim is to give bring research findings to that wider audience, because what is available to them is often restricted in range and in points of view.
    For example, the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability. In the way that national examinations do a good job in sorting candidates by scholastic attainments, intelligence tests do a good job in sorting people by ability. Comparing ability levels across generations is more difficult, but not impossible.
    I realize I will have to repeat many topics, and comment on many old arguments, but that is what I am trying to do anyway, in the hope that I contribute to a better understanding of research on human ability.

    Excellent!

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  87. utu says:
    @James Thompson
    Thanks. There is a balance to be found between reaching only those who already know the subject and the wider audience where levels of knowledge are more variable. The wider audience, however, are not ignorant. They have read what was available to them, and my aim is to give bring research findings to that wider audience, because what is available to them is often restricted in range and in points of view.
    For example, the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability. In the way that national examinations do a good job in sorting candidates by scholastic attainments, intelligence tests do a good job in sorting people by ability. Comparing ability levels across generations is more difficult, but not impossible.
    I realize I will have to repeat many topics, and comment on many old arguments, but that is what I am trying to do anyway, in the hope that I contribute to a better understanding of research on human ability.

    “the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability”

    You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson.

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    Utu,

    please, bear in mind that we still don't know exactly what Flynn Effect is showing, literally/biologically speaking, because there are so many possible explanations and all them possibly -- partially right. ''Only'' a long-term study, intergenerational one, to really understand what's going on.

    By now a plethora of conjectures.

    What we know

    IQ scores have increased a lot in this XX century,

    but...

    we don't have a intergenerational study showing the increase of IQ within same studied/analysed families, i mean, The father, smarter than his grandfather, and his grandson more intelligent than his father.

    There are many events possibly--mutually connected running paralleling

    - increase in living standards;

    - in urbanization;

    - in secularization (cultural neutralization of classical magical thinking);

    - reduction of infectious disease rates,

    - in fertility rates... and subsequently in population size,

    - improvement of IQ test qualities (supposedly a complete cultural neutralization),

    - in his application,

    - and this mean that ''constant actualizations'' of IQ tests may have caused comparative distortions with older tests.

    There are some huge patterns that never changed

    - Whites outscore blacks, on avg, in most of educational or cognitive tests, since the first general & comparative analysis in the first decade of XX),

    - Exceptions always prove their rules,

    - Social, economic and behavioral differences between both, not just in USA, of course, a worldwide patterns.


    And just to start (to show for you why this stuff is so complicated)

    We still don't know what exactly IQ tests measure at biological levels, we don't know exactly what is the reaching level of IQ scores, to reflect perfectly in two or three digits the intelligence of individuals. We know at least it'is higher. We have IQdiots insisting IQ scores reflect perfectly what is intelligence and the intelligence of individuals, we have reasonable people comparing other patterns and concluding that IQ tests is a good way to measure, partial, superficial but efficient to measure intelligence specially because they measure important/central cognitive aspects of intelligence. Even more reasonable people, those who pay great attention to the rationality, perceive a non-significative correlation between higher IQ scores and rational skills/ basically, thinking skills.
    , @RaceRealist88
    "You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson."

    The FLynn Effect is not on g.

    http://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/iq-race-flynn-effect-jensen-rushton-american-psychologist-5-2000.pdf

    It's not genetic and unrelated to racial differences in IQ.
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  88. utu says:
    @Brian227
    Hi, phil. Thanks for the comment.

    Perhaps you could concretely demonstrate to me the meaning of this "g" in a way that makes your comment have sufficient content for me to get the point. As I understand it, "g" is an indirectly observed concept that is derived from analysis of statistical results obtained in IQ and similar tests. Its actual makeup and how it can be directly measured remains a matter of conjecture. Since it, "g" that is, is derived from an analysis of tests that are subject to the Flynn effect, by definition the nature and validity (perhaps even the existence) of "g" comes into question.

    For instance, it is possible to measure the length of the coastline of the U.K. using a metre-long measuring tool and a result can be stated. However, using a centimetre-long measuring tool for the same task yields a different result (much longer when the centimetre result is converted to metres). This inflation continues as the unit of basic measure becomes shorter. So, how long is the coastline of the U.K.? The answer appears to be an artifact of the tool used to measure it as well as the existence of a coastline. The Flynn effect seems to indicate that something analogous might be happening with I.Q. scores. The Flynn effect may indicate that the tool being used is inaccurate, or that the result depends on what is the object of the exercise when the measurement is taken, or... something else. In other words, the Flynn effect does seem to caste a lot of doubt on what "g" is, exactly, and the tools we employ when we derive its existence.

    This does not mean that measurement is useless. It is quite useful to know how many metres long is the coastline of the U.K. when you set out to walk its length. Binet was concerned with this level of useful measurement and not with difficult questions about difficult to define and measure ideas (theories) such as "g".

    The g factor by its definition cannot escape the Flynn effect problem. It is defined as the largest eigenvalue of a covariance matrix. If all variables that contributed to the matrix are time dependent due to the Flynn factor then also g will be time dependent.

    Analogy with the coast of UK and different rulers to measure its length is somewhat misleading. There are mathematical, physical and legal definitions of coast and its length and in principle the length of it is a finite number that can be approximated with successive measurements with more accurate rulers. The results of the measurements will converge to the true value. However in the business of intelligence we do not have a working definition of intelligence itself. All we have is the IQ test which we do not know what does it measure. By sleigh of hand trick intelligence is conflated with the result of the IQ test that is further reified by referring to both the intelligence and the result of IQ test as IQ. The Flynn effect forced some people to realized that IQ itself does not exists but all there is is the result of the IQ test, so some people were able to snap out from the world of reification.

    BTW, the mathematical definition of g factor is just a neat mathematical construct, which in itself is trivial for mathematically literate, that does not contribute anything to the understanding the concept of intelligence.

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    'g' is not simply a statistical construct; it is a biological phenomenon with widespread support among intelligence researchers. Head size, brain size, frequency of alpha brain waves, nerve conduction velocity, and rate of brain glucose metabolism are all correlated with it. Spearman's hypothesis, named after Charles Spearman, was that, the higher the g-loading of a mental task, the greater the black-white difference in performance; the hypothesis has now been confirmed many times.

    IQ tests and 'g' are continually attacked precisely because they show that, on average, differences exist across races. The New York Times does not even send a reporter to the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research. The researchers, in turn, lament the influence of the Times and the Economist and are more likely to say that Steve Sailer accurately depicts the research.

    As Robert Plomin and Steven Pinker have noted, the replication crisis that has plagued other branches of psychology does not exist in the case of IQ testing, but intellectual elites hate the research findings.
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  89. @utu
    "the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability"

    You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson.

    Utu,

    please, bear in mind that we still don’t know exactly what Flynn Effect is showing, literally/biologically speaking, because there are so many possible explanations and all them possibly — partially right. ”Only” a long-term study, intergenerational one, to really understand what’s going on.

    By now a plethora of conjectures.

    What we know

    IQ scores have increased a lot in this XX century,

    but…

    we don’t have a intergenerational study showing the increase of IQ within same studied/analysed families, i mean, The father, smarter than his grandfather, and his grandson more intelligent than his father.

    There are many events possibly–mutually connected running paralleling

    - increase in living standards;

    - in urbanization;

    - in secularization (cultural neutralization of classical magical thinking);

    - reduction of infectious disease rates,

    - in fertility rates… and subsequently in population size,

    - improvement of IQ test qualities (supposedly a complete cultural neutralization),

    - in his application,

    - and this mean that ”constant actualizations” of IQ tests may have caused comparative distortions with older tests.

    There are some huge patterns that never changed

    - Whites outscore blacks, on avg, in most of educational or cognitive tests, since the first general & comparative analysis in the first decade of XX),

    - Exceptions always prove their rules,

    - Social, economic and behavioral differences between both, not just in USA, of course, a worldwide patterns.

    And just to start (to show for you why this stuff is so complicated)

    We still don’t know what exactly IQ tests measure at biological levels, we don’t know exactly what is the reaching level of IQ scores, to reflect perfectly in two or three digits the intelligence of individuals. We know at least it’is higher. We have IQdiots insisting IQ scores reflect perfectly what is intelligence and the intelligence of individuals, we have reasonable people comparing other patterns and concluding that IQ tests is a good way to measure, partial, superficial but efficient to measure intelligence specially because they measure important/central cognitive aspects of intelligence. Even more reasonable people, those who pay great attention to the rationality, perceive a non-significative correlation between higher IQ scores and rational skills/ basically, thinking skills.

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  90. @utu
    "the Flynn effect does not invalidate intelligence testing, but it certainly calls into question decade by decade comparisons of ability"

    You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson.

    “You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson.”

    The FLynn Effect is not on g.

    http://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/iq-race-flynn-effect-jensen-rushton-american-psychologist-5-2000.pdf

    It’s not genetic and unrelated to racial differences in IQ.

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    Thanks for the link. Mathematically g is defined as the largest orthogonal component (eigenvalue) from principle component analysis. You must have several components and one of them is IQ to create covariance matrix. If all components are time dependent then the principle component (the orthogonal one) will be time dependent. This means that if there is Flynn effect in IQ(yyyy) <---IQ(yyyy0)+0.3*(yyyy-yyyy0) then similar relation will be in g.

    It seems that for J. Philippe Rushton the fact that IQ is time dependent is a minor issue. All he was concerned about was whether Black-White difference did not shrink. At least this is my take on this minor note by him.
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  91. Jim says:
    @Santoculto
    I think same thing... 78 IQ don't make sense. Would be interesting analyse the IQ scores of arabian ''nobility'' and political classes.

    Qatar and Kwait seems very similar in collective behavior with Singapore. Ok, many foreigners living there, well, maybe ''we'' are analysing IQ scores of foreign people and not the native ones, supposedly the local elites.

    IQ levels in South Arabia certainly are low. Way below IQ levels in Singapore.

    There is a lot of cousin marriage it the Middle East particularly in South Arabia. It has been estimated that this probably reduces the IQ levels there about 5 points or so. But even if all cousin marriage ended in no way would the populations be at all comparable to Northeast Asians.

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    IQ levels in South Arabia certainly are low. Way below IQ levels in Singapore.
     
    I know.

    I'm comparing persian gulf states with Singapore and yes they share many similarities,

    and i'm thinking about the validity of their IQ scores.

    Arab elites appear to be very intelligent in some aspects, namely ''merchant-ilistic'' ones.

    There is a lot of cousin marriage it the Middle East particularly in South Arabia. It has been estimated that this probably reduces the IQ levels there about 5 points or so. But even if all cousin marriage ended in no way would the populations be at all comparable to Northeast Asians.

     

    But, as a old-mixed race region i speculate if there are many exceptions there, as well happen here in Brazil with lower average IQ but tons and tons of exceptions.
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  92. utu says:
    @RaceRealist88
    "You have very low scientific standards, Mr. Thompson."

    The FLynn Effect is not on g.

    http://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/iq-race-flynn-effect-jensen-rushton-american-psychologist-5-2000.pdf

    It's not genetic and unrelated to racial differences in IQ.

    Thanks for the link. Mathematically g is defined as the largest orthogonal component (eigenvalue) from principle component analysis. You must have several components and one of them is IQ to create covariance matrix. If all components are time dependent then the principle component (the orthogonal one) will be time dependent. This means that if there is Flynn effect in IQ(yyyy) <—IQ(yyyy0)+0.3*(yyyy-yyyy0) then similar relation will be in g.

    It seems that for J. Philippe Rushton the fact that IQ is time dependent is a minor issue. All he was concerned about was whether Black-White difference did not shrink. At least this is my take on this minor note by him.

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    I haven't read this literature extensively. Do you mean that IQ follows an AR(1) process? What about the s.d., is it time variant as well?

    Also, are studies based on cross-sectional time series data?

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  93. phil says:
    @utu
    The g factor by its definition cannot escape the Flynn effect problem. It is defined as the largest eigenvalue of a covariance matrix. If all variables that contributed to the matrix are time dependent due to the Flynn factor then also g will be time dependent.

    Analogy with the coast of UK and different rulers to measure its length is somewhat misleading. There are mathematical, physical and legal definitions of coast and its length and in principle the length of it is a finite number that can be approximated with successive measurements with more accurate rulers. The results of the measurements will converge to the true value. However in the business of intelligence we do not have a working definition of intelligence itself. All we have is the IQ test which we do not know what does it measure. By sleigh of hand trick intelligence is conflated with the result of the IQ test that is further reified by referring to both the intelligence and the result of IQ test as IQ. The Flynn effect forced some people to realized that IQ itself does not exists but all there is is the result of the IQ test, so some people were able to snap out from the world of reification.

    BTW, the mathematical definition of g factor is just a neat mathematical construct, which in itself is trivial for mathematically literate, that does not contribute anything to the understanding the concept of intelligence.

    ‘g’ is not simply a statistical construct; it is a biological phenomenon with widespread support among intelligence researchers. Head size, brain size, frequency of alpha brain waves, nerve conduction velocity, and rate of brain glucose metabolism are all correlated with it. Spearman’s hypothesis, named after Charles Spearman, was that, the higher the g-loading of a mental task, the greater the black-white difference in performance; the hypothesis has now been confirmed many times.

    IQ tests and ‘g’ are continually attacked precisely because they show that, on average, differences exist across races. The New York Times does not even send a reporter to the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research. The researchers, in turn, lament the influence of the Times and the Economist and are more likely to say that Steve Sailer accurately depicts the research.

    As Robert Plomin and Steven Pinker have noted, the replication crisis that has plagued other branches of psychology does not exist in the case of IQ testing, but intellectual elites hate the research findings.

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    g is a mathematical construct. The concept of the g-loading comes directly from the construct. The construct is not unique because it depends which set of tests is used to build the correlation matrix on which principle value analysis is performed. The largest eigenvalue by definition is g and the g is expressed as a linear combination of all tests in the set. The correlation between any test and the g is called g-loading. So g=a1*X1+a2*X2+... where X1, X2,... are tests used and presumably one of them always is the IQ test and a1, a2,... are coefficient yielded by the principle component analysis. If we have a different set of test in which, say X2 is missing then coefficients a1,a2,.. will be different. There is no universally agreed definition which set of test to be used when constructing g. This is the reason why the IQ.Inc researches like to bring up g and talk about it but very rarely they produce results in terms of actual values of g. It is because they do not have those values. Therefore we only keep seeing results in terms of good old IQ not g. If g was really useful the IQ.Inc researched would have agreed on a g scale and started reporting data in the g scale, right? If g was really immune to Flynn effect...., right? g is usually invoked when some weakness in IQ testing are pointe out. g basically was invented solely for this eristic purpose to give the IQ.Inc more solid foundation, but it really is just a facade.
    , @phil
    Of course, the g-calculation depends on the sub-tests used. You are trying to obscure the very basic point that, regardless of the precise sub-tests used, the Flynn effect is not on 'g.' Blacks have severe cognitive deficiencies relative to other large racial groups, especially on g-loaded test items. And the most g-loaded test items also tend to be the most heritable.

    I suggest that you try to write a critique of 'g' and submit it to Intelligence for peer review. At the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research in 2015, a speaker said in front of all the attendees that "I assume that we are all believers in 'g'," and no one dissented. Not one person. Some of the most distinguished cognitive psychologists in the world were on hand. You can attend the next conference and see if you can persuade them all to change their minds.
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  94. @Jim
    IQ levels in South Arabia certainly are low. Way below IQ levels in Singapore.

    There is a lot of cousin marriage it the Middle East particularly in South Arabia. It has been estimated that this probably reduces the IQ levels there about 5 points or so. But even if all cousin marriage ended in no way would the populations be at all comparable to Northeast Asians.

    IQ levels in South Arabia certainly are low. Way below IQ levels in Singapore.

    I know.

    I’m comparing persian gulf states with Singapore and yes they share many similarities,

    and i’m thinking about the validity of their IQ scores.

    Arab elites appear to be very intelligent in some aspects, namely ”merchant-ilistic” ones.

    There is a lot of cousin marriage it the Middle East particularly in South Arabia. It has been estimated that this probably reduces the IQ levels there about 5 points or so. But even if all cousin marriage ended in no way would the populations be at all comparable to Northeast Asians.

    But, as a old-mixed race region i speculate if there are many exceptions there, as well happen here in Brazil with lower average IQ but tons and tons of exceptions.

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  95. Clyde says:
    @IA
    I hope you like it. Claire Denis, the director, made a run-of-the-mill PC movie, Chocolat - whites bad, blacks good - many years earlier. Something happened to her in the interval. I'm actually surprised you can still find White Material. I ordered mine a couple of years ago on Amazon, I think.

    I saw a movie last night I thought would be half OK. Maybe it was. “The Accountant”. I fell asleep in the movie theater. White Material is not like this for sure plus it covers subject matter I am interested in so thanks. I got it via a torr_ent site.
    Discovery TV had a few gold mining shows a few years ago when gold price was sky rocketing. One show took place in Africa and in one episode It showed how a connected Chinese company just moved into and took over a gold claim registered by two American gold prospectors. Ghana I am 98% sure it was.
    The Chinese posted armed Chinese guards at the gold claim.
    Chinese imperialists in Africa, will be interesting to see how this plays out. Road building is one way they gain entry to an African nation.

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  96. Sam Shama says:
    @utu
    Thanks for the link. Mathematically g is defined as the largest orthogonal component (eigenvalue) from principle component analysis. You must have several components and one of them is IQ to create covariance matrix. If all components are time dependent then the principle component (the orthogonal one) will be time dependent. This means that if there is Flynn effect in IQ(yyyy) <---IQ(yyyy0)+0.3*(yyyy-yyyy0) then similar relation will be in g.

    It seems that for J. Philippe Rushton the fact that IQ is time dependent is a minor issue. All he was concerned about was whether Black-White difference did not shrink. At least this is my take on this minor note by him.

    I haven’t read this literature extensively. Do you mean that IQ follows an AR(1) process? What about the s.d., is it time variant as well?

    Also, are studies based on cross-sectional time series data?

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  97. utu says:
    @phil
    'g' is not simply a statistical construct; it is a biological phenomenon with widespread support among intelligence researchers. Head size, brain size, frequency of alpha brain waves, nerve conduction velocity, and rate of brain glucose metabolism are all correlated with it. Spearman's hypothesis, named after Charles Spearman, was that, the higher the g-loading of a mental task, the greater the black-white difference in performance; the hypothesis has now been confirmed many times.

    IQ tests and 'g' are continually attacked precisely because they show that, on average, differences exist across races. The New York Times does not even send a reporter to the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research. The researchers, in turn, lament the influence of the Times and the Economist and are more likely to say that Steve Sailer accurately depicts the research.

    As Robert Plomin and Steven Pinker have noted, the replication crisis that has plagued other branches of psychology does not exist in the case of IQ testing, but intellectual elites hate the research findings.

    g is a mathematical construct. The concept of the g-loading comes directly from the construct. The construct is not unique because it depends which set of tests is used to build the correlation matrix on which principle value analysis is performed. The largest eigenvalue by definition is g and the g is expressed as a linear combination of all tests in the set. The correlation between any test and the g is called g-loading. So g=a1*X1+a2*X2+… where X1, X2,… are tests used and presumably one of them always is the IQ test and a1, a2,… are coefficient yielded by the principle component analysis. If we have a different set of test in which, say X2 is missing then coefficients a1,a2,.. will be different. There is no universally agreed definition which set of test to be used when constructing g. This is the reason why the IQ.Inc researches like to bring up g and talk about it but very rarely they produce results in terms of actual values of g. It is because they do not have those values. Therefore we only keep seeing results in terms of good old IQ not g. If g was really useful the IQ.Inc researched would have agreed on a g scale and started reporting data in the g scale, right? If g was really immune to Flynn effect…., right? g is usually invoked when some weakness in IQ testing are pointe out. g basically was invented solely for this eristic purpose to give the IQ.Inc more solid foundation, but it really is just a facade.

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  98. “International Society for Intelligence Research”

    Still looking for it, are they?

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  99. phil says:
    @phil
    'g' is not simply a statistical construct; it is a biological phenomenon with widespread support among intelligence researchers. Head size, brain size, frequency of alpha brain waves, nerve conduction velocity, and rate of brain glucose metabolism are all correlated with it. Spearman's hypothesis, named after Charles Spearman, was that, the higher the g-loading of a mental task, the greater the black-white difference in performance; the hypothesis has now been confirmed many times.

    IQ tests and 'g' are continually attacked precisely because they show that, on average, differences exist across races. The New York Times does not even send a reporter to the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research. The researchers, in turn, lament the influence of the Times and the Economist and are more likely to say that Steve Sailer accurately depicts the research.

    As Robert Plomin and Steven Pinker have noted, the replication crisis that has plagued other branches of psychology does not exist in the case of IQ testing, but intellectual elites hate the research findings.

    Of course, the g-calculation depends on the sub-tests used. You are trying to obscure the very basic point that, regardless of the precise sub-tests used, the Flynn effect is not on ‘g.’ Blacks have severe cognitive deficiencies relative to other large racial groups, especially on g-loaded test items. And the most g-loaded test items also tend to be the most heritable.

    I suggest that you try to write a critique of ‘g’ and submit it to Intelligence for peer review. At the annual conference of the International Society for Intelligence Research in 2015, a speaker said in front of all the attendees that “I assume that we are all believers in ‘g’,” and no one dissented. Not one person. Some of the most distinguished cognitive psychologists in the world were on hand. You can attend the next conference and see if you can persuade them all to change their minds.

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  100. utu says:

    “the Flynn effect is not on ‘g.’” – If you have performed principle value analysis on data available from, say Holland 1950 and data from Holland 1970 that include uncorrected for Flynn effect IQ test results your extracted g values for 1950 and 1970 would be different. The trick to obtain g time independent hinges on the trick of performing a very dubious correction of IQ results for the Flynn effect prior to the principle value analysis. What does justify this correction? Only the necessity to save the ship built by the IQ.Inc from sinking.

    You clearly do not understand the mathematical nature of g construction. You do not know what principle value analysis is. You are not the only one. But you apparently can’t think for yourself so you make appeals to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam). Why are you really interested in the IQ research in the first place? To confirm your biases and prejudices? So that you can make statements like this one: “Blacks have severe cognitive deficiencies relative to other large racial groups, especially on g-loaded test items.” that sound scientific and objective? But you do not know what g-loaded really means and you do not even know what g really is. Why don’t you get back to what you might be good at?

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    You don't know or understand aerodynamics so don't make a fuss about an obviously damaged wing. Do you know how a wing is designed? I don't think so.

    Why don’t you get back to what you might be good at?

    Take your own advice but first remove your head from rectum I think the methane is clouding your judgment. Some groups perform differently at at different tasks. Cry all you want but there's no reason to obfuscate the truth. Justice holds no quarter for liars.
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  101. by “principle value analysis” you mean principle components.

    how’s this for 100 years of consistently replicatible findings:
    the more the g loading the more the black-white difference.
    the more the g loading the higher the heritability.

    under your view such findings would occur at random – instead of literally 1oo years of consistency. hmm, must be the “evil” people doing the research. wait, they’ve changed over the 100 years – it’s not all the same guy!

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  102. Tutu says:
    @utu
    "the Flynn effect is not on ‘g.’" - If you have performed principle value analysis on data available from, say Holland 1950 and data from Holland 1970 that include uncorrected for Flynn effect IQ test results your extracted g values for 1950 and 1970 would be different. The trick to obtain g time independent hinges on the trick of performing a very dubious correction of IQ results for the Flynn effect prior to the principle value analysis. What does justify this correction? Only the necessity to save the ship built by the IQ.Inc from sinking.

    You clearly do not understand the mathematical nature of g construction. You do not know what principle value analysis is. You are not the only one. But you apparently can't think for yourself so you make appeals to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam). Why are you really interested in the IQ research in the first place? To confirm your biases and prejudices? So that you can make statements like this one: "Blacks have severe cognitive deficiencies relative to other large racial groups, especially on g-loaded test items." that sound scientific and objective? But you do not know what g-loaded really means and you do not even know what g really is. Why don't you get back to what you might be good at?

    You don’t know or understand aerodynamics so don’t make a fuss about an obviously damaged wing. Do you know how a wing is designed? I don’t think so.

    Why don’t you get back to what you might be good at?

    Take your own advice but first remove your head from rectum I think the methane is clouding your judgment. Some groups perform differently at at different tasks. Cry all you want but there’s no reason to obfuscate the truth. Justice holds no quarter for liars.

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  103. While I appreciate the I.Q. “denialists” I feel like so many of their arguments are tangential. Why not go for the center-mass of the issue? If “g” correlates with biological processes then it clearly is accurately measuring something. It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence.
    What I have little patience for is the relativistic definition of intelligence. Yes the Masaai orans are quite skilled, and in the case of tracking game, intellectually so. I’ve seen this for myself. However we aren’t pouring into sub-Saharan Africa to join their societies. They are flooding into Europe and North America, and if they can’t learn algebra, is there any chance for them to avoid poverty in a first world society? Or are we going to get more of what we’ve already dealt with; crime, a massive lack of productivity, and an equally massive cultural strain. We aren’t living inside a textbook. If Africans by and large cannot adapt to western life, they will end up psychologically worse off than in their own homelands. Any kind of cognitive deficiency is going to be explained away, as it’s simply too much of a blow to the ego; the I.Q. denial is a perfect example of this.
    None of that really matters to me, however. What matters is that as a result of this inability to embrace dark reality, whites are condemned as scapegoats, largely by those who arent intelligent enough to grasp the academic arguments being disseminated to them. How can “white supremacy” or “colonialism” be responsible for black reading inadequacy, when black Africans in much of the continent did not even have access to a written language before Europeans arrived? How can so-called white racists be blamed for black poverty, when these same racists produce the vast majority of the wealth that is then redistributed to American blacks?

    The situation is very critical. Not only do you have the suffering caused by mass imminvasion and race replacenent, you have the suffering experienced by thousands of former aid workers like myself, who have been severely traumatized in return for previously naively thinking Africans can be taught “just like us.”

    If all the sophistry was really accurate, if picking at I.Q. here and there and attempting to disqualify it all costs actually reflected reality, the sheer differences between Malawi and Montreal is VAST. They may as well exist on two planets. Frankly, while I don’t necessarily believe this, I’m open to the idea that different “races” are more like “species” at this point.

    Aid workers teaching farmers to plant their crops in rows, having to insist that it’s wrong to touch a woman’s breasts against her will, or butcher an animal while it’s still alive (not due to issues of cuisine, but sheer sloth) are all part of our experiences, which we can never shed. Ever.

    If I.Q. is insubstantial as an explanation, if they are as intelligent and psychologically structured as we are,

    Why do they create HELL?

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    If “g” correlates with biological processes then it clearly is accurately measuring something. It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence.
     
    In relatively similar magnitude than a chess game.

    It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence
     
    You said it right.

    Some kind of function of intelligence and not whole intelligence.

    The problem about almost afro-centrists and libs here is that they never be OBJECTIVE with their claims. I don't understand how this strategy will work, for what exactly.

    They WANT to say what we already know, the central argumentation of blank slate...

    ''blacks are less intelligent, on avg, than whites just because the environmental [read: european colonialism] differences... in other words, with the same ''environment'' they become the same OR even superior than whites/european caucasians''

    I try to understand how explain those smarter people who born from poor to very poor parents and in deprived environments. Seems ''environmental deprivation'' tend to affect people in diverse/different way, ;)

    ALL of it is to remain whitey distracted to their own fate, their extinction.
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  104. @Preston Brooks
    While I appreciate the I.Q. "denialists" I feel like so many of their arguments are tangential. Why not go for the center-mass of the issue? If "g" correlates with biological processes then it clearly is accurately measuring something. It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence.
    What I have little patience for is the relativistic definition of intelligence. Yes the Masaai orans are quite skilled, and in the case of tracking game, intellectually so. I've seen this for myself. However we aren't pouring into sub-Saharan Africa to join their societies. They are flooding into Europe and North America, and if they can't learn algebra, is there any chance for them to avoid poverty in a first world society? Or are we going to get more of what we've already dealt with; crime, a massive lack of productivity, and an equally massive cultural strain. We aren't living inside a textbook. If Africans by and large cannot adapt to western life, they will end up psychologically worse off than in their own homelands. Any kind of cognitive deficiency is going to be explained away, as it's simply too much of a blow to the ego; the I.Q. denial is a perfect example of this.
    None of that really matters to me, however. What matters is that as a result of this inability to embrace dark reality, whites are condemned as scapegoats, largely by those who arent intelligent enough to grasp the academic arguments being disseminated to them. How can "white supremacy" or "colonialism" be responsible for black reading inadequacy, when black Africans in much of the continent did not even have access to a written language before Europeans arrived? How can so-called white racists be blamed for black poverty, when these same racists produce the vast majority of the wealth that is then redistributed to American blacks?

    The situation is very critical. Not only do you have the suffering caused by mass imminvasion and race replacenent, you have the suffering experienced by thousands of former aid workers like myself, who have been severely traumatized in return for previously naively thinking Africans can be taught "just like us."

    If all the sophistry was really accurate, if picking at I.Q. here and there and attempting to disqualify it all costs actually reflected reality, the sheer differences between Malawi and Montreal is VAST. They may as well exist on two planets. Frankly, while I don't necessarily believe this, I'm open to the idea that different "races" are more like "species" at this point.

    Aid workers teaching farmers to plant their crops in rows, having to insist that it's wrong to touch a woman's breasts against her will, or butcher an animal while it's still alive (not due to issues of cuisine, but sheer sloth) are all part of our experiences, which we can never shed. Ever.

    If I.Q. is insubstantial as an explanation, if they are as intelligent and psychologically structured as we are,

    Why do they create HELL?

    If “g” correlates with biological processes then it clearly is accurately measuring something. It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence.

    In relatively similar magnitude than a chess game.

    It clearly represents some kind of function of intelligence

    You said it right.

    Some kind of function of intelligence and not whole intelligence.

    The problem about almost afro-centrists and libs here is that they never be OBJECTIVE with their claims. I don’t understand how this strategy will work, for what exactly.

    They WANT to say what we already know, the central argumentation of blank slate…

    ”blacks are less intelligent, on avg, than whites just because the environmental [read: european colonialism] differences… in other words, with the same ”environment” they become the same OR even superior than whites/european caucasians”

    I try to understand how explain those smarter people who born from poor to very poor parents and in deprived environments. Seems ”environmental deprivation” tend to affect people in diverse/different way, ;)

    ALL of it is to remain whitey distracted to their own fate, their extinction.

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  105. @Anon
    "Math’s is very important BUT the basis of thought is also extremely important"

    Are we even living in an Age of Thought? The Iconic Image of American Culture is Nikki Minaj's twerking booty, and there are endless jokes about negro dongs in pop culture, even prime time sitcoms like Family Guy where the daughter holds a package of sausages and says she's gonna use them over interracial fantasies with New York Knicks. Shiite. Kids and parents watch such shows together.
    In this non-thought age, intellectuals and math geeks don't matter.. unless they are smart enough to make it in Silicon Valley and rake in big bucks... which might get them some fuc*s. For the dumb neo-primitive culture, the only 'math' that matters if measurements of breast size, butt size, and dong size. Is it any wonder that the American Couple is Kanye West and Kardashian. The Negro and big butt woman. It's not so much Black Lives Matter but Black butts and dongs matter. And since women are all whore-ized, like in the new Linh Dinh post about 'unhappy women', they will choose loose sex partners over dong kong factor, and the West will be mulattoized into trashiness.

    White people still couple mostly with white people they just choose to have few or no children. It’s the incentives. Give huge tax breaks per child and penalize welfare recipients for having children and it will reverse.

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  106. @Triumph104
    Any thoughts on when Black Africa will start churning out Fields Medalists?

    (Chigozie) Henry Aniobi of Nigeria won four bronze medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad. I thought he was going to make some noise in the math world but he is at the University of Waterloo majoring in computer science, so we will see. He doesn't turn 40 until around 2036.

    So What.If it wasn’t for Whites and Asians for that matter Blacks would never know anything about “math”.

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  107. @james wilson
    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It's main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it's own.

    This explains everything you need to know about Blacks.This is probably what you watched.I love how the Black African has the blank look on his face when the Chinese guy tells him like it is.The Black African looks like he is going to cry.Evolution left these people behind for a reason.Nature would have taken care of Blacks.The only reason they are breeding like rabbits is because of whites and their suicidal altruistic tendencies .If left to their own they would have died off as nature intended.

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  108. @utu
    "Clearly, I am not convinced that race and IQ are demonstrated by results in the TIMMS achievement tests."

    Some dogs can be taught many different useless tricks. Some other dogs get quickly bored when you try to teach them these tricks, so they have a reputation among trainers of not being very intelligent. But there are people who can train these "not very intelligent" dogs to do many useful things like hunting, guiding blinds, etc.

    Perhaps Blacks get bored more quickly while Asians and Whites can handle boring repetition that is required to prepare for the test much better.

    Of course they get bored.Blacks with the minds of children are always bored.They only care about “muhdic”.

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  109. reezy says:
    @james wilson
    I watched an excellent two hour documentary of a Chinese road building company in the Congo. It's main characters were two Chinese bosses and one African translator. The Chinese were both curious and surprisingly benevolent in regard to Africans as they are. The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid but admirably well suited to the conditions in which they live, and I stress that they were in fact impressed that no other race could exist there without support. The African was indispensable not only for language but for informing the Chinese of vast cultural impediments to making normal contractual arrangements. Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank. No one will or can breach that chasm. Or should. Trying to accomplish was is inherently impossible causes damage all it's own.

    Empire of Dust, the documentary you spoke of, took place in Kenya, not Congo.

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    Whoops, just checked, you were actually right. It was Congo, not Kenya.
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  110. reezy says:
    @frayedthread

    The African spoke French, Chinese, and several African dialects. The unstated conclusion of the Chinese was that Africans are quite stupid
     
    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed 'dialects')


    Yet when it came to grasping ideas new or alien to him he shut down and his face became a total blank
     
    What were these ideas?

    So stupid, that they can speak French, Chinese and other languages (superciliously dubbed ‘dialects’)

    Language acquisition utilizes different cognitive functions than those involved with abstract reasoning, as measured by IQ testing. So the fact that the African translator in the documentary was able to learn several languages does not necessarily contradict the assertion that he was poor at abstract reasoning. Not saying he or Africans are “stupid” (clearly they were quite competent at surviving and thriving in their own ways of life), but when it comes to abstract reasoning, they’re less capable than other human groups.

    What were these ideas?

    Watch the documentary.

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  111. reezy says:
    @reezy
    Empire of Dust, the documentary you spoke of, took place in Kenya, not Congo.

    Whoops, just checked, you were actually right. It was Congo, not Kenya.

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