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Introduction: A coup has been underway to prevent President-Elect Donald Trump from taking office and fulfilling his campaign promise to improve US-Russia relations. This ‘palace coup’ is not a secret conspiracy, but an open, loud attack on the election.

The coup involves important US elites, who openly intervene on many levels from the street to the current President, from sectors of the intelligence community, billionaire financiers out to the more marginal ‘leftist’ shills of the Democratic Party.

The build-up for the coup is gaining momentum, threatening to eliminate normal constitutional and democratic constraints. This essay describes the brazen, overt coup and the public operatives, mostly members of the outgoing Obama regime.

The second section describes the Trump’s cabinet appointments and the political measures that the President-Elect has adopted to counter the coup. We conclude with an evaluation of the potential political consequences of the attempted coup and Trump’s moves to defend his electoral victory and legitimacy.

The Coup as ‘Process’

In the past few years Latin America has experienced several examples of the seizure of Presidential power by unconstitutional means, which may help illustrate some of the current moves underway in Washington. These are especially interesting since the Obama Administration served as the ‘midwife’ for these ‘regime changes’.

Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras and Haiti experienced coups, in which the elected Presidents were ousted through a series of political interventions orchestrated by economic elites and their political allies in Congress and the Judiciary.

President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton were deeply involved in these operations as part of their established foreign policy of ‘regime change’. Indeed, the ’success’ of the Latin American coups has encouraged sectors of the US elite to attempt to prevent President-elect Trump from taking office in January.

While similarities abound, the on-going coup against Trump in the United States occurs within a very different power configuration of proponents and antagonists.

Firstly, this coup is not against a standing President, but targets an elected president set to take office on January 20, 2017. Secondly, the attempted coup has polarized leading sectors of the political and economic elite. It even exposes a seamy rivalry within the intelligence-security apparatus, with the political appointees heading the CIA involved in the coup and the FBI supporting the incoming President Trump and the constitutional process. Thirdly, the evolving coup is a sequential process, which will build momentum and then escalate very rapidly.

Coup-makers depend on the ‘Big Lie’ as their point of departure – accusing President-Elect Trump of 1) being a Kremlin stooge, attributing his electoral victory to Russian intervention against his Democratic Party opponent, Hillary Clinton and 2) blatant voter fraud in which the Republican Party prevented minority voters from casting their ballot for Secretary Clinton.

The first operatives to emerge in the early stages of the coup included the marginal-left Green Party Presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein, who won less than 1% of the vote, as well as the mass media.

In the wake of her resounding defeat, Candidate Stein usurped authority from the national Green Party and rapidly raked in $8 million dollars in donations from Democratic Party operatives and George Soros-linked NGO’s (many times the amount raised during her Presidential campaign). This dodgy money financed her demand for ballot recounts in selective states in order to challenge Trump’s victory. The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a ‘first shot across the bow’, to stop Trump. It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite and liberal activists.

The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s electoral victory. However, Jill Stein’s $8 million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media and NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous ‘Russian hackers’ and not the American voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!

The ‘Big Lie’ was repeated and embellished at every opportunity by the print and broadcast media. The ‘experts’ were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts and documentation of a ‘rigged election’. Everyday, every hour, the ‘Russian Plot’ was breathlessly described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC, NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa. The great American Empire looked increasingly like a ‘banana republic’.

Like the Billionaire Soros-funded ‘Color Revolutions’, from Ukraine, to Georgia and Yugoslavia, the ‘Rainbow Revolt’ against Trump, featured grass-roots NGO activists and ’serious leftists’, like Jill Stein.

The more polished political operatives from the upscale media used their editorial pages to question Trump’s illegitimacy. This established the ground work for even higher level political intervention: The current US Administration, including President Obama, members of the US Congress from both parties, and current and former heads of the CIA jumped into the fray. As the vote recount ploy flopped, they all decided that ‘Vladimir Putin swung the US election!’ It wasn’t just lunatic neo-conservative warmongers who sought to oust Trump and impose Hillary Clinton on the American people, liberals and social democrats were screaming ‘Russian Plot!’ They demanded a formal Congressional investigation of the ‘Russian cyber hacking’ of Hillary’s personal e-mails (where she plotted to cheat her rival ‘Bernie Sanders’ in the primaries). They demanded even tighter economic sanctions against Russia and increased military provocations. The outgoing Democratic Senator and Minority Leader ‘Harry’ Reid wildly accused the FBI of acting as ‘Russian agents’ and hinted at a purge.

The coup intensified as Trump-Putin became synonymous for “betrayal” and “election fraud”.

As this approached a crescendo of media hysteria, President Barack Obama stepped in and called on the CIA to seize domestic control of the investigation of Russian manipulation of the US election – essentially accusing President-Elect Trump of conspiring with the Russian government. Obama refused to reveal any proof of such a broad plot, citing ‘national security’.

President Obama solemnly declared the Trump-Putin conspiracy was a grave threat to American democracy and Western security and freedom. He darkly promised to retaliate against Russia, “…at a time and place of our choosing”.

ORDER IT NOW

Obama also pledged to send more US troops to the Middle East and increase arms shipments to the jihadi terrorists in Syria, as well as the Gulf State and Saudi ‘allies’. Coincidentally, the Syrian Government and their Russian allies were poised to drive the US-backed terrorists out of Aleppo – and defeat Obama’s campaign of ‘regime change’ in Syria.

Trump Strikes Back: The Wall Street- Military Alliance

Meanwhile, President-Elect Donald Trump did not crumple under the Clintonite-coup in progress. He prepared a diverse counter-attack to defend his election, relying on elite allies and mass supporters.

Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing the justifications (he used the term ‘lies’) for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. He appointed three retired generals to key Defense and Security positions – indicating a power struggle between the highly politicized CIA and the military. Active and retired members of the US Armed Forces have been key Trump supporters. He announced that he would bring his own security teams and integrate them with the Presidential Secret Service during his administration.

Although Clinton-Obama had the major mass media and a sector of the financial elite who supported the coup, Trump countered by appointing several key Wall Street and corporate billionaires into his cabinet who had their own allied business associations.

One propaganda line for the coup, which relied on certain Zionist organizations and leaders (ADL, George Soros et al), was the bizarre claim that Trump and his supporters were ‘anti-Semites’. This was were countered by Trump’s appointment of powerful Wall Street Zionists like Steven Mnuchin as Treasury Secretary and Gary Cohn (both of Goldman Sachs) to head the National Economic Council. Faced with the Obama-CIA plot to paint Trump as a Russian agent for Vladimir Putin, the President-Elect named security hardliners including past and present military leaders and FBI officials, to key security and intelligence positions.

The Coup: Can it succeed?

In early December, President Obama issued an order for the CIA to ‘complete its investigation’ on the Russian plot and manipulation of the US Presidential election in six weeks – right up to the very day of Trump’s inauguration on January 20, 2017! A concoction of pre-cooked ‘findings’ is already oozing out of secret clandestine CIA archives with the President’s approval. Obama’s last-ditch effort will not change the outcome of the election. Clearly this is designed to poison the diplomatic well and present Trump’s incoming administration as dangerous. Trump’s promise to improve relations with Russia will face enormous resistance in this frothy, breathless hysteria of Russophobia.

Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations. He wants to force a continuation of his grotesque policies onto the incoming Trump Administration. Will Trump succumb? The legitimacy of his election and his freedom to make policy will depend on overcoming the Clinton-Obama-neo-con-leftist coup with his own bloc of US military and the powerful Wall Street allies, as well as his mass support among the ‘angry’ American electorate. Trump’s success at thwarting the current ‘Russian ploy’ requires his forming counter alliances with Washington plutocrats, many of whom will oppose any diplomatic agreement with Putin. Trump’s appointment of hardline economic plutocrats who are deeply committed to shredding social programs (public education, Medicare, Social Security) could ignite the anger of his mass supporters by savaging their jobs, health care, pensions and their children’s future.

If Trump defeats the avalanching media, CIA and elite-instigated coup (which interestingly lack support from the military and judiciary), he will have to thank, not only his generals and billionaire-buddies, but also his downwardly mobile mass supporters (Hillary Clinton’s detested ‘basket of deplorables’). He embarked on a major series of ‘victory tours’ around the country to thank his supporters among the military, workers, women and small business people and call on them to defend his election to the presidency. He will have to fulfill some of his promises to the masses or face ‘the real fire’, not from Clintonite shills and war-mongers, but from the very people who voted for him.

(Republished from The James Petras Website by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: 2016 Election, American Media, Donald Trump 
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  1. Kirt says:

    A very insightful analysis. The golpistas will not be able to prevent Trump from taking power. But will they make the country ungovernable to the extent of bringing down not just Trump but the whole system?

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    • Replies: @robt
    The actions of Obama are reminiscent of scorched earth and 'poison the well' policies of other failed governments in the past, with the usual absurd blaming of everyone, including foreign governments, but not exempting the backstabbing of their own workers, for their failure.
    More proof that the government transition should be conducted the next day, customary in many or most democracies, rather than over the course of months.
    This mass tantrum should be an embarassment to politicians and the general public, but shamefully it isn't, and even more shamefully it is directed and encouraged by the media. Lies by leftists are customary during a campaign, and the sabotaging of the handover to a new non-leftist government is traditional, but this example of juvenile petulance has reached extremes that should rather be described as both infantile and neurotic.
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  2. If the coup forces President Trump to abandon his America First campaign promises by appointing globalists eager to invade-the-world/invite-the-world, then the coup is a success and the Trump campaign was a failure.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    Exactly.

    Which is why, I fear, the Petras article makes no sense.
    , @Clearpoint
    Perhaps that is the plan. To pressure Trump into making some bad decisions. Kind of like a savvy NFL defensive coordinator blitzing a highly competitive but emotionally arrogant quarterback into some game changing mistakes.
  3. Renoman says:

    Good article, the right length too!
    If you want people to read what you write, length is very important.

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  4. Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations

    The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the top. Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance of the Camelot image?

    Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his wife and kids? https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/barry-we-hardly-knew-ye/

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    I expect Obama loves his kids.

    Great analysis from Petras.
    So many people have reacted with "first=level" thinking only as Trump's appointments have been announced: "This guy is terrible!" Yes, but . . . look at the appointment in the "swamp" context, in the "veiled threat" context. Harpers mag actually put a picture on its cover of Trump behind bars. That is one of those veiled invitations like Henry II's "Will no one rid me of this man?"
    I think Trump understands quite well what he is up against.
    I agree completely with Petras that the compromises he must make to take office on Jan. 20 may in the end compromise his agenda (whatever it actually is). I would expect Trump to play things by ear and tack as necessary, as he senses changes in the wind. According to the precepts of triage, his no. 1 challenge/task now is to be sworn in on Jan. 20. All else is secondary.
    Once he is in the White House he will have incomparably greater powers to flush out those who are trying to sideline his presidency now. The latter must know this. He will be in charge of the whole Executive Branch bureaucracy (which includes the Justice Department).
    , @animalogic
    Oh, yes, Robert ! To read the words "Obama" & "legacy" in the same sentence is to LOL.
    What a god-awful president.
    An 8 year adventure in failure, stupidity & ruthlessness.
    The Trump-coup business: what a (near treasonous) disgrace. The "Russians done it" meme: "let's show the world just how stupid, embarrassing & plain MEAN we can be". A trillion words -- & not one shred of supporting evidence.... ?! And I thought that the old "Obama was not born in the US" trope was shameless stupidity !
    If there is any bright side here, I hope it has convinced EVERY American conservative that the neo-con's & their identical economic twin the neoliberals are treasonous dreck who would flush the US down the drain if they thought it to their political advantage.
  5. Excellent analysis! Mr. Petras, you delved right into the crux of the matter of the balance of forces in the U.S.A. at this very unusual political moment. I have only a very minor correction to make, and it is only a language-related one: you don’t really want to say that Trump’s “illegitimacy” is being questioned, but rather his legitimacy, right?

    Another thing, but this time of a perhaps idiosyncratic nature: I am a teeny-weeny bit more optimistic than you about the events to come in your country. (Too bad I cannot say this about my own poor country Brazil, which is going faster and faster down the drain.)

    Happy new year!

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  6. schmenz says:
    @John Gruskos
    If the coup forces President Trump to abandon his America First campaign promises by appointing globalists eager to invade-the-world/invite-the-world, then the coup is a success and the Trump campaign was a failure.

    Exactly.

    Which is why, I fear, the Petras article makes no sense.

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  7. Svigor says:

    The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a ‘first shot across the bow’, to stop Trump. It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite and liberal activists.

    On the contrary, this first salvo from the anti-American forces resulted in more friendly fire hits on the attackers than it did on its intended targets. Result: a strengthening of Trump’s position. It also serve to sap morale and energy from the anti-American forces, helping dissipate their momentum.

    The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s electoral victory.

    And it backfired, literally strengthening it (Trump gained votes), while undermining the anti-American forces’ legitimacy.

    The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s electoral victory. However, Jill Stein’s $8 million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media and NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous ‘Russian hackers’ and not the American voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!

    This was simply a continuation of Big Media’s Full Capacity Hate Machine (thanks to Whis for the term; this is the only time I will acknowledge the debt) from the campaign. It has been running since before Trump clinched the nomination. It will be no more effective now, than it was then. Americans are fed up with Big Media propaganda in sufficient numbers to openly thwart its authors’ will.

    The big lie, as you refer to it, hasn’t even produced the alleged “report” in question. The CIA supposedly in lockstep against Trump (I don’t buy that), and they can’t find one hack willing to leak this “devastating” “report”? It must suck. Probably a nothing burger.

    This is all much ado about nothing. Big Media HATES Trump. They want to make sure Trump and the American people don’t forget that they HATE Trump. It’s a broken strategy, doomed to failure (it will only cause Trump to dig in and go about his agenda without their help; it certainly will not break him, or endear him to their demands). Trump’s voters all voted for him in spite of it, so it won’t win them over, either. Personally, I think Trump’s low water mark of support is well behind him. Obviously subject to future events.

    Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing the justifications (he used the term ‘lies’) for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    CIA mouthpieces have been pointing and sputtering in response that it was not they who cooked the books, but parallel neoconservative chickenhawk groups in the Bush administration. The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks’ narrative, instead choosing to assent by way of silence.

    Personally, I sort of doubt this imagined comity between Hussein and the CIA. Ever seen Zero Dark Thirty? How much harder did Hussein make the CIA’s job? I doubt it was Kathryn Bigelow who chose to go out of her way to make that movie hostile to Hussein; it’s far more likely that this is simply where the material led her. I similarly doubt that the intelligence community difficulties owed to Hussein were in any way limited to the hunt for UBL.

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    The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks’ narrative, instead choosing to assent by way of silence.
     
    That's not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to undermine the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it. At that time, the neocons controlled the ranking civilian positions at the Pentagon, but did not yet fully control the CIA. This changed after Bush's re-election, when Porter Goss was made DCI to purge all the remaining 'realists' and 'arabists' from the agency. Now the situation in the opposite: the CIA is totally neocon, while the Pentagon is a bit less so.

    So even if what Trump is saying is technically inaccurate, it's still true at a deeper level: it was the neocons who lied to us about WMD, just as it is now the neocons who are lying to us about Russia.
  8. MAN PAD LETTER – DM 24 DEC 2016

    I think Obama’s right-in-the-open [a week or so ago] authorization for the sale and shipping [?] of “man pads” to various Syrian rebel and terrorist forces is insane, and may be contrary to law.

    Yes, I have no trouble calling it TREASON. It is certainly felony support for terrorists.

    Man pads are shoulder held missile launchers that can destroy high and fast aircraft ….such as commercial passenger airlines [to be blamed on Russia?] and also any nations’ fighter/bombers….such as Russia’s Air Force planes operating in Syria still–that were invited to do so by the elected government of Syria which is still under attack by US proxy [terrorist] forces. Syria is a member in good standing of the UN.

    Given this……I think we are all in very great danger today–now– AND I think we have to press hard to reverse the insane Obama move vis a vis these man pads.

    This truly is an emergency.

    TULSI GABBARD’S BILL MAY BE TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. It may even be just window dressing or PR. [That could be the reason Peter Welch has agreed to co-sponsor it.... The man never does anything that is real and substantive and decent or courageous.]

    IN ANY EVENT both Gabbard and Welch via this bill have now acknowledged
    that Obama and the US are supporting terrorists in Syria [and elsewhere]–a felony under existing laws. –Quite possibly an impeachable offense.

    “Misprision” of treason or misprision of a felony IS ITSELF A FELONY.

    If Gabbard and Welch KNOW that the man-pad authorization and other US support
    for terrorists in Syria and elsewhere is presently occurring, I THINK THEY NEED TO FORCE PROSECUTION UNDER EXISTING LAWS NOW, rather than just sponsoring a sure-to-fail NEW LAW that will prevent such things in the far fuzzy future–or NOT.

    Respectfully,

    Dennis Morrisseau
    US Army Officer [Vietnam era] ANTI-WAR
    –FOR TRUMP–
    Lieutenant Morrisseau’s Rebellion
    FIRECONGRESS.org
    Second Vermont Republic
    POB 177, W. Pawlet, VT USA 05775
    dmorso1@netzero.net
    802 645 9727

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    • Replies: @Bruce Marshall
    The Man Pad Letter is brilliant!

    It needs to be published as a feature story.

    Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.

    Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big, and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as we speak.

    Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.

    BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.

  9. @Lieutenant Morrisseau
    MAN PAD LETTER - DM 24 DEC 2016


    I think Obama's right-in-the-open [a week or so ago] authorization for the sale and shipping [?] of "man pads" to various Syrian rebel and terrorist forces is insane, and may be contrary to law.

    Yes, I have no trouble calling it TREASON. It is certainly felony support for terrorists.

    Man pads are shoulder held missile launchers that can destroy high and fast aircraft ....such as commercial passenger airlines [to be blamed on Russia?] and also any nations' fighter/bombers....such as Russia's Air Force planes operating in Syria still--that were invited to do so by the elected government of Syria which is still under attack by US proxy [terrorist] forces. Syria is a member in good standing of the UN.

    Given this......I think we are all in very great danger today--now-- AND I think we have to press hard to reverse the insane Obama move vis a vis these man pads.

    This truly is an emergency.

    TULSI GABBARD'S BILL MAY BE TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. It may even be just window dressing or PR. [That could be the reason Peter Welch has agreed to co-sponsor it.... The man never does anything that is real and substantive and decent or courageous.]

    IN ANY EVENT both Gabbard and Welch via this bill have now acknowledged
    that Obama and the US are supporting terrorists in Syria [and elsewhere]--a felony under existing laws. --Quite possibly an impeachable offense.

    "Misprision" of treason or misprision of a felony IS ITSELF A FELONY.

    If Gabbard and Welch KNOW that the man-pad authorization and other US support
    for terrorists in Syria and elsewhere is presently occurring, I THINK THEY NEED TO FORCE PROSECUTION UNDER EXISTING LAWS NOW, rather than just sponsoring a sure-to-fail NEW LAW that will prevent such things in the far fuzzy future--or NOT.

    Respectfully,

    Dennis Morrisseau
    US Army Officer [Vietnam era] ANTI-WAR
    --FOR TRUMP--
    Lieutenant Morrisseau's Rebellion
    FIRECONGRESS.org
    Second Vermont Republic
    POB 177, W. Pawlet, VT USA 05775
    dmorso1@netzero.net
    802 645 9727

    The Man Pad Letter is brilliant!

    It needs to be published as a feature story.

    Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.

    Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big, and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as we speak.

    Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.

    BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Hmmm.... If I were GRU I would offer Uber services to the recipients of the manpads all the way up to West European airports (not that this is needed, just take a truck, any truck).

    What will the EU say if smouldering wreckage happens?

    Especially as Obama won't be there to set the overall tone.

    Oh my.
  10. Mark Green says: • Website

    This is a good article but there’s been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his ‘America First’ platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It’s beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let’s face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel’s Fifth Column. They’ve got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he’s is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump’s Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that’s now underway. Obama’s pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there’s nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what’s right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real ‘Two State’ solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn’t you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel’s ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC’s unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it’s Trump–not Obama–that’s looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump–out of fear and necessity–run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?–Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid “any more disasterous wars”. It’s impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something’s gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?–Or will he summon Putin’s independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of ‘America First’?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I’m fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I’m wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America’s political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    Okay so you voted twice for BO, and now for HC, so what else is new.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    In general, I agree with a good portion of your analysis. A few minor quibbles and qualifications, though:

    Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel.
     
    Not really. Since he's a lame-duck president and the election is over, he's not really risking anything here. After all, opposition to settlements in the occupied territories has been official US policy for nearly 50 years, and when has that ever stopped Israel from founding/expanding them? No, this is just more empty symbolism.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
     
    It's been dead for ever. The One State solution will replace it, and that will really freak out all the Zios.

    They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
     
    Oderint dum metuant ("Let them hate, so long as they fear.") - Caligula
    , @Rurik

    Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I’m wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America’s political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
     
    I'm hoping that Trump is running with the neocons just as far as is necessary to pressure congress to confirm his cabinet appointments and make sure he isn't JFK'd before he gets into office and can set about putting security in place to protect his own and his family's lives.

    For John McBloodstain to vote for a SoS that will make nice with his nemesis; Putin, will require massive amounts of Zio-pressure. The only way that pressure will come is if the Zio-cons are convinced that Trump is their man.

    Once his cabinet appointments are secured, then perhaps we might see some independence of action. Not until. At least that is my hope, however naïve.

    It isn't just the Zio-cons that want to poke the Russian bear, it's also the MIC. Trump has to navigate a very dangerous mine field if he's going to end the Endless Wars and return sanity and peace to the world. He's going to have to wrangle with the devil himself (the Fiend), and outplay him at his own game.
    , @map
    I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.

    What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing project.

    Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews. It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.

    Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries. So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.

    Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians, workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews, therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.

    So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their pride in nationalist endeavors.
    , @RobinG
    "As Israel Shamir reminds us: there’s nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what’s right. "

    THEN WHY DOESN'T HE DO WHAT'S RIGHT? As Seamus Padraig pointed out, the UN abstention is "just more empty symbolism."
    Meanwhile...
    The Christmas Eve attack on the First Amendment
    The approval of arming terrorists in Syria
    The fake news about Russian hacking throwing Killary's election

    Aid to terrorists is a felony. Obama should be indicted.
    , @Tomster
    Most of the Western world is much sicker of the head-choppers in charge of our 'human rights' at the UN (thanks to Obama and the UK) than it is of Israel. It is they, not we, who have funded ISIS directly.
  11. Pirouette says:

    The real issue at stake is that Presidential control of the system is non existent, and although Trump understands this and has intimated he is going to deal with it, it is clear his hands will now be tied by all the traitors that run the US.

    You need a Nuremburg type show trial to deal with all the (((usual suspects))) that have usurped the constitution. (((They))) arrived with the Pilgrim Fathers and established the slave trade buying slaves from their age old Muslim accomplices, and selling them by auction to the goyim.

    (((They))) established absolute influence by having the Fed issue your currency in 1913 and forcing the US in to three wars: WWI, WWII and Vietnam from which (((they))) made enormous profits.

    You have to decide whether you want these (((professional parasitical traitors))) in your country or not. It is probably too late to just ask them to leave, thus you are faced with the ultimate reality: are you willing to fight a civil war to free your nation from (((their))) oppression of you?

    This is the elephant in the room that none of you will address. All the rest of this subject matter is just window dressing. Do you wish to remain economic slaves to (((these people))) or do you want to be free [like the Syrians] and live without (((these traitor’s))) usurious, inflationary and dishonest policies based upon hate of Christ and Christianity?

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  12. I find no evidence of analysis, a word applied by two commenters, in this article. Only some rather excitable story telling with little connection to known facts, at least so far as my reading tells me. Where for example is the coup supporting material in the FT or on the BBC?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A bit unusual, I thought. But then, Unz permits the occasional outlier of wackadoodlism. Perhaps as contrast, perhaps to permit ready identification of wackadoodle commenters.
  13. My guess: the outgoing Obama administration is in a last ditch killing frenzy, to revenge Aleppo loss!

    The Berlin bus blowup, The Russian ambassador in Turkey killed and the Red army’s most eminent Alexandrov’s choir send to the bottom of the black sea.

    Typical CIA ops to threaten world leaders to comply with the incumbent US elite.

    Watch Mike Morell (CIA) threaten world leaders:

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the so-called "elites" in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell - who has never been in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor - is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.
  14. Karl says:

    the “shot across the bow” was the “Not My President!” demonstrations, which were long before Dr Stein’s recount circuses.

    They spent a lot of money on buses and box lunches – it wouldn’t fly.

    Nothing else they try will fly.

    Correct me if I am wrong…. plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.

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    Correct me if I am wrong…. plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.
     
    It seems you may be on to something:

    RICO also permits a private individual "damaged in his business or property" by a "racketeer" to file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an "enterprise". The defendant(s) are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3] There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise (18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of, the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s) conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4] In essence, the enterprise is either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Summary

    What we have to do is prove that there is an organization that includes George Soros, but is not limited to him personally--you know, a kosher nostra!

  15. mp says:

    In the past few years Latin America has experienced several examples of the seizure of Presidential power by unconstitutional means…Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras and Haiti experienced coups…

    The US is not at the stage of these countries… yet. To compare them to us, politically, is moronic. In another several generations it likely will be different. But by then there won’t be any “need” for a coup. If things keep up, the US “electorate” will be majority Third World. Then, these people will just vote as a bloc for whomever promises them the most gibs me dat. That candidate will of course be from the oligarchical elite. Trump is likely the last white man (or white man with even marginally white interests at heart) to be President. Unless things drastically change, demographically.

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  16. El Dato says:
    @Bruce Marshall
    The Man Pad Letter is brilliant!

    It needs to be published as a feature story.

    Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.

    Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big, and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as we speak.

    Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.

    BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.

    Hmmm…. If I were GRU I would offer Uber services to the recipients of the manpads all the way up to West European airports (not that this is needed, just take a truck, any truck).

    What will the EU say if smouldering wreckage happens?

    Especially as Obama won’t be there to set the overall tone.

    Oh my.

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  17. I do not like thee, Doctor Stein,
    Attention whore on suckers’ dime.
    And I shall say it one more time:
    I do not like thee, Doctor Stein.

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    A nice re-purposing of Thomas Brown's little ditty.

    Well done.
  18. Gabbards being a Democrat and military officer simply does not jibe.

    There is something extremely fishy about a officer who is a Democrat, as probably 99% of all military officers vote republican, plus she was obviously aware of this while on active duty, she is therefore to be viewed with caution.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  19. @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    Okay so you voted twice for BO, and now for HC, so what else is new.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  20. Agent76 says:

    D.C. has passed their propaganda bill so I am not shocked.

    Dec 27, 2016 “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act” Signed Into Law! (NDAA 2017)

    It is true there is breaking news today but you certainly won’t hear it from the mainstream media. While everyone was enjoying the holidays president Obama signed the NDAA for fiscal year 2017 into law which includes the “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act” and in this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth shows how this new law is tantamount to “The Records Department of the Ministry of Truth” in George Orwell’s book 1984.

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  21. Skeptikal says:
    @Robert Magill

    Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations
     
    The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the top. Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance of the Camelot image?

    Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his wife and kids? https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/barry-we-hardly-knew-ye/

    I expect Obama loves his kids.

    Great analysis from Petras.
    So many people have reacted with “first=level” thinking only as Trump’s appointments have been announced: “This guy is terrible!” Yes, but . . . look at the appointment in the “swamp” context, in the “veiled threat” context. Harpers mag actually put a picture on its cover of Trump behind bars. That is one of those veiled invitations like Henry II’s “Will no one rid me of this man?”
    I think Trump understands quite well what he is up against.
    I agree completely with Petras that the compromises he must make to take office on Jan. 20 may in the end compromise his agenda (whatever it actually is). I would expect Trump to play things by ear and tack as necessary, as he senses changes in the wind. According to the precepts of triage, his no. 1 challenge/task now is to be sworn in on Jan. 20. All else is secondary.
    Once he is in the White House he will have incomparably greater powers to flush out those who are trying to sideline his presidency now. The latter must know this. He will be in charge of the whole Executive Branch bureaucracy (which includes the Justice Department).

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  22. @Robert Magill

    Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations
     
    The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the top. Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance of the Camelot image?

    Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his wife and kids? https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/barry-we-hardly-knew-ye/

    Oh, yes, Robert ! To read the words “Obama” & “legacy” in the same sentence is to LOL.
    What a god-awful president.
    An 8 year adventure in failure, stupidity & ruthlessness.
    The Trump-coup business: what a (near treasonous) disgrace. The “Russians done it” meme: “let’s show the world just how stupid, embarrassing & plain MEAN we can be”. A trillion words — & not one shred of supporting evidence…. ?! And I thought that the old “Obama was not born in the US” trope was shameless stupidity !
    If there is any bright side here, I hope it has convinced EVERY American conservative that the neo-con’s & their identical economic twin the neoliberals are treasonous dreck who would flush the US down the drain if they thought it to their political advantage.

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  23. @Svigor

    The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a ‘first shot across the bow’, to stop Trump. It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite and liberal activists.
     
    On the contrary, this first salvo from the anti-American forces resulted in more friendly fire hits on the attackers than it did on its intended targets. Result: a strengthening of Trump's position. It also serve to sap morale and energy from the anti-American forces, helping dissipate their momentum.

    The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s electoral victory.
     
    And it backfired, literally strengthening it (Trump gained votes), while undermining the anti-American forces' legitimacy.

    The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s electoral victory. However, Jill Stein’s $8 million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media and NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous ‘Russian hackers’ and not the American voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!
     
    This was simply a continuation of Big Media's Full Capacity Hate Machine (thanks to Whis for the term; this is the only time I will acknowledge the debt) from the campaign. It has been running since before Trump clinched the nomination. It will be no more effective now, than it was then. Americans are fed up with Big Media propaganda in sufficient numbers to openly thwart its authors' will.

    The big lie, as you refer to it, hasn't even produced the alleged "report" in question. The CIA supposedly in lockstep against Trump (I don't buy that), and they can't find one hack willing to leak this "devastating" "report"? It must suck. Probably a nothing burger.

    This is all much ado about nothing. Big Media HATES Trump. They want to make sure Trump and the American people don't forget that they HATE Trump. It's a broken strategy, doomed to failure (it will only cause Trump to dig in and go about his agenda without their help; it certainly will not break him, or endear him to their demands). Trump's voters all voted for him in spite of it, so it won't win them over, either. Personally, I think Trump's low water mark of support is well behind him. Obviously subject to future events.

    Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing the justifications (he used the term ‘lies’) for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
     
    CIA mouthpieces have been pointing and sputtering in response that it was not they who cooked the books, but parallel neoconservative chickenhawk groups in the Bush administration. The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks' narrative, instead choosing to assent by way of silence.

    Personally, I sort of doubt this imagined comity between Hussein and the CIA. Ever seen Zero Dark Thirty? How much harder did Hussein make the CIA's job? I doubt it was Kathryn Bigelow who chose to go out of her way to make that movie hostile to Hussein; it's far more likely that this is simply where the material led her. I similarly doubt that the intelligence community difficulties owed to Hussein were in any way limited to the hunt for UBL.

    The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks’ narrative, instead choosing to assent by way of silence.

    That’s not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to undermine the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it. At that time, the neocons controlled the ranking civilian positions at the Pentagon, but did not yet fully control the CIA. This changed after Bush’s re-election, when Porter Goss was made DCI to purge all the remaining ‘realists’ and ‘arabists’ from the agency. Now the situation in the opposite: the CIA is totally neocon, while the Pentagon is a bit less so.

    So even if what Trump is saying is technically inaccurate, it’s still true at a deeper level: it was the neocons who lied to us about WMD, just as it is now the neocons who are lying to us about Russia.

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  24. @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    In general, I agree with a good portion of your analysis. A few minor quibbles and qualifications, though:

    Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel.

    Not really. Since he’s a lame-duck president and the election is over, he’s not really risking anything here. After all, opposition to settlements in the occupied territories has been official US policy for nearly 50 years, and when has that ever stopped Israel from founding/expanding them? No, this is just more empty symbolism.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    It’s been dead for ever. The One State solution will replace it, and that will really freak out all the Zios.

    They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Oderint dum metuant (“Let them hate, so long as they fear.”) – Caligula

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  25. @Karl
    the "shot across the bow" was the "Not My President!" demonstrations, which were long before Dr Stein's recount circuses.

    They spent a lot of money on buses and box lunches - it wouldn't fly.

    Nothing else they try will fly.

    Correct me if I am wrong.... plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.

    Correct me if I am wrong…. plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.

    It seems you may be on to something:

    RICO also permits a private individual “damaged in his business or property” by a “racketeer” to file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an “enterprise”. The defendant(s) are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3] There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise (18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of, the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s) conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise “through” the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4] In essence, the enterprise is either the ‘prize,’ ‘instrument,’ ‘victim,’ or ‘perpetrator’ of the racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Summary

    What we have to do is prove that there is an organization that includes George Soros, but is not limited to him personally–you know, a kosher nostra!

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  26. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wizard of Oz
    I find no evidence of analysis, a word applied by two commenters, in this article. Only some rather excitable story telling with little connection to known facts, at least so far as my reading tells me. Where for example is the coup supporting material in the FT or on the BBC?

    A bit unusual, I thought. But then, Unz permits the occasional outlier of wackadoodlism. Perhaps as contrast, perhaps to permit ready identification of wackadoodle commenters.

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  27. annamaria says:
    @Max Havelaar
    My guess: the outgoing Obama administration is in a last ditch killing frenzy, to revenge Aleppo loss!

    The Berlin bus blowup, The Russian ambassador in Turkey killed and the Red army's most eminent Alexandrov's choir send to the bottom of the black sea.

    Typical CIA ops to threaten world leaders to comply with the incumbent US elite.

    Watch Mike Morell (CIA) threaten world leaders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZK2FZGKAd0

    The prominence of the “perfumed prince” Morell is the most telling indictment of the so-called “elites” in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real “deciders” in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell – who has never been in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor – is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.

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    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real “deciders” in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.
     
    It is corrupt, annamaria, corrupt to the very core, corrupt throughout. Any talk of elections, honest candidates, devoted elected representatives, etc., is sappy naivete. They're crooks; the sprinkling of decent reps is minuscule and ineffective.

    So, what to do?
    , @Max Havelaar
    A serial killer, paid by US taxpayers. By universal human rights laws he would hang.

    Maybe the Russian FSB an get to him.
  28. Durruti says:

    Nice well written article by James Petras.

    I agree with some, mostly the pro-Constitutionalist and moral spirit of the essay, but differ as to when the Coup D’etat is going to – or has already taken place.

    The coup D’etat that destroyed our American Republic, and its last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, took place 53 years ago on November 22, 1963. The coup was consolidated at the cost of 2 million Vietnamese and 1 million Indonesians (1965). The assassinations of JF Kennedy’s brother, Robert Kennedy, R. Kennedy’s ally, Martin L. King, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, John Lennon, and many others, followed.

    Mr. Petras, the Coup D’etat has already happened.

    Our mission must be the Restore our American Republic! This is The Only Road for us. There are no shortcuts. The choice we were given (for Hollywood President), in 2016, between a psychotic Mass Murderer, and a mid level Mafioso Casino Owner displayed the lack of respect the Oligarchs have for the American Sheeple. Until we rise, we will never regain our self-respect, our Honor.

    I enclose a copy of our Flier, our Declaration, For The Restoration of the Republic below, for your perusal. We (of the Anarchist Collective), have distributed it as best we can.

    Respect All! Bow to None!

    Merry Christmas!

    God Bless!

    [MORE]

    For THE RESTORATION OF THE REPUBLIC

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.

    We submit the following facts to the citizens of the United States.

    The government of the United States has been a Totalitarian Oligarchy since the military financial aristocracy destroyed the Democratic Republic on November 22, 1963, when they assassinated the last democratically elected president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and overthrew his government. All following governments have been unconstitutional frauds. Attempts by Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King to restore the Republic were interrupted by their murder.

    A subsequent 12 year colonial war against Vietnam, conducted by the murderers of Kennedy, left 2 million dead in a wake of napalm and burning villages.

    In 1965, the U.S. government orchestrated the slaughter of 1 million unarmed Indonesian civilians.

    In the decade that followed the CIA murdered 100,000 Native Americans in Guatemala.

    In the 1970s, the Oligarchy began the destruction and looting of America’s middle class, by encouraging the export of industry and jobs to parts of the world where workers were paid bare subsistence wages. The 2008, Bailout of the Nation’s Oligarchs cost American taxpayers $13trillion. The long decline of the local economy has led to the political decline of our hard working citizens, as well as the decay of cities, towns, and infrastructure, such as education.

    The impoverishment of America’s middle class has undermined the nation’s financial stability. Without a productive foundation, the government has accumulated a huge debt in excess of $19trillion. This debt will have to be paid, or suffered by future generations. Concurrently, the top 1% of the nation’s population has benefited enormously from the discomfiture of the rest. The interest rate has been reduced to 0, thereby slowly robbing millions of depositors of their savings, as their savings cannot stay even with the inflation rate.

    The government spends the declining national wealth on bloody and never ending military adventures, and is or has recently conducted unconstitutional wars against 9 nations. The Oligarchs maintain 700 military bases in 131 countries; they spend as much on military weapons of terror as the rest of the nations of the world combined. Tellingly, more than half the government budget is spent on the military and 16 associated secret agencies.

    The nightmare of a powerful centralized government crushing the rights of the people, so feared by the Founders of the United States, has become a reality. The government of Obama/Biden, as with previous administrations such as Bush/Cheney, and whoever is chosen in November 2016, operates a Gulag of dozens of concentration camps, where prisoners are denied trials, and routinely tortured. The Patriot Act and The National Defense Authorizations Act, enacted by both Democratic and Republican factions of the oligarchy, serve to establish a legal cover for their terror.

    The nation’s media is controlled, and, with the school systems, serve to brainwash the population; the people are intimidated and treated with contempt.

    The United States is No longer Sovereign

    The United States is no longer a sovereign nation. Its government, The Executive, and Congress, is bought, utterly owned and controlled by foreign and domestic wealthy Oligarchs, such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Duponts, to name only a few of the best known.

    The 2016 Electoral Circus will anoint new actors to occupy the same Unconstitutional Government, with its controlling International Oligarchs. Clinton, Trump, whomever, are willing accomplices for imperialist international murder, and destruction of nations, including ours.

    For Love of Country

    The Restoration of the Republic will be a Revolutionary Act, that will cancel all previous debts owed to that unconstitutional regime and its business supporters. All debts, including Student Debts, will be canceled. Our citizens will begin, anew, with a clean slate.

    As American Founder, Thomas Jefferson wrote, in a letter to James Madison:

    “I set out on this ground, which I suppose to be self evident, ‘that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living’:”

    “Then I say the earth belongs to each of these generations, during it’s course, fully, and in their own right. The 2d. Generation receives it clear of the debts and incumberances of the 1st. The 3d of the 2d. and so on. For if the 1st. Could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not the living generation.”

    Our Citizens must restore the centrality of the constitution, establishing a less powerful government which will ensure President Franklin Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms, freedom of speech and expression, freedom to worship God in ones own way, freedom from want “which…means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peace time life for its inhabitants…” and freedom from fear “which…means a world-wide reduction of armaments…”

    Once restored: The Constitution will become, once again, the law of the land and of a free people. We will establish a government, hold elections, begin to direct traffic, arrest criminal politicians of the tyrannical oligarchy, and, in short, repair the damage of the previous totalitarian governments.

    For the Democratic Republic!
    Sons and Daughters of Liberty
    florent.defeu@yahoo.com

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  29. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @annamaria
    The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the so-called "elites" in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell - who has never been in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor - is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.

    The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real “deciders” in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.

    It is corrupt, annamaria, corrupt to the very core, corrupt throughout. Any talk of elections, honest candidates, devoted elected representatives, etc., is sappy naivete. They’re crooks; the sprinkling of decent reps is minuscule and ineffective.

    So, what to do?

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    The corruption is endemic from top to bottom.

    My previous residence was in Hamilton Township in Monroe County, PA . Population about 8,000.
    The 3 Township Supervisors appointed themselves to township jobs- Road master, Zoning officer etc and pay themselves twice the going rate with the occupant of the job under review abstaining while his two palls vote him the money. Anybody challenging this is met with a shit-storm of propaganda and a mysterious explosion in voter turn-out: guess who runs the local polls?

    The chief of the local volunteer fire company has to sign off on the sprinkler systems before any occupation certificate can be issued for a commercial building. Conveniently he runs a plumbing business. Guess who gets the lion's share of plumbing jobs for new commercial buildings?

    As they climb the greasy pole, it only gets worse.

    Meanwhile the routine business of looting continues:

    My local rag (an organ of the Murdoch crime family) had a little piece last year about the new 3 year contract for the local county prison guards. I went back to the two previous two contracts and discovered that by 2018 they will have had 33% increases over nine years. Between 2008 and 2013 (the latest years I could find data for) median household income in the county decreased by 13%.

    At some point some rogue politician will start fighting this battle.
  30. Miro23 says:

    If the US is split between Trump and Clinton supporters, then the staffs of the CIA and FBI are probably split the same way.

    The CIA and FBI leadership may take one position or another, but many CIA and FBI employees joined these agencies in the first place to serve their country – not to assist Neo-con MENA Imperial projects, and they know a lot more than the general public about what is really going on.

    Employees can really mess things up if they have a different political orientation to their employers.

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  31. Rurik says:
    @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I’m wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America’s political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    I’m hoping that Trump is running with the neocons just as far as is necessary to pressure congress to confirm his cabinet appointments and make sure he isn’t JFK’d before he gets into office and can set about putting security in place to protect his own and his family’s lives.

    For John McBloodstain to vote for a SoS that will make nice with his nemesis; Putin, will require massive amounts of Zio-pressure. The only way that pressure will come is if the Zio-cons are convinced that Trump is their man.

    Once his cabinet appointments are secured, then perhaps we might see some independence of action. Not until. At least that is my hope, however naïve.

    It isn’t just the Zio-cons that want to poke the Russian bear, it’s also the MIC. Trump has to navigate a very dangerous mine field if he’s going to end the Endless Wars and return sanity and peace to the world. He’s going to have to wrangle with the devil himself (the Fiend), and outplay him at his own game.

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  32. joe webb says:

    much ado about not much. Petra is a leftie, with a leftie view, often shared by righties, that there is a Deep State (coined probably by deep throaters) that runs the show.

    Hatreds and conspiracies abound, but so what? Petras’ “(which interestingly lack support from the military and judiciary),”) is the key to his argument. Which is that he has no argument, only hand-me=downs from decades of leftist cant.

    Nothing will happen in the way of a coup or a ‘blow’ to Trump. Politics, ramped up to the pitch of the beginning of civil war, probably will happen. In that case, the military, if it does anything, will be on the side of the People, meaning white people, etc.

    Petras is a standard brand leftist , along with Shamir, Hudson, and a couple others…they are johnny one-noters.

    The most interesting thing these days is how long the Myth/Lie of Race equality can be touted by the Left, and the jew media and its shabbas goyim, and Fox News, etc. This is the Story of Stories for our time. I am pretty sure that Trump will signal the cops, etc. to shoot to kill looters next time, as in The Fire…

    Should be a great year. Let the bad times roll. Enjoy. I particularly like to watch the communist negro, Van Jones. The guy’s bone fides ARE that he IS a communist, or used to be one. The Articulate Negro.

    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    "the communist negro, Van Jones" lol. Just like the "communist" Obama, huh?
  33. @annamaria
    The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the so-called "elites" in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell - who has never been in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor - is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.

    A serial killer, paid by US taxpayers. By universal human rights laws he would hang.

    Maybe the Russian FSB an get to him.

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  34. Art says:

    I do not like saying it, but the appointment of the Palestinian hating Jew as ambassador to Israel has disarmed the Jew community – they can no longer call Trump an anti-Semite – the most power two words in America. The result is that the domestic side of the coup is over.

    The Russian thing has to play out. The Jew forces will try and make bad blood between America and Russia – hopefully Trump and Putin will let it play out, but really ignore it.

    If we get past the inauguration, the CIA is going to be toast. GOOD!

    Peace — Art

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @RobinG
    "If we get past the inauguration...."

    Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) - doing his best to screw things up before Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can't transition during war?

    Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at war with terrorists, isn't this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act - providing aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.

    A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII.
    Francis Boyle writes:
    "... I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes—just as I did to the late, great Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP. Just have the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.

    Francis A. Boyle
    Law Building
    504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
    Champaign IL 61820 USA
    217-333-7954 (phone)
    217-244-1478 (fax)
  35. @Anonymous

    The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real “deciders” in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.
     
    It is corrupt, annamaria, corrupt to the very core, corrupt throughout. Any talk of elections, honest candidates, devoted elected representatives, etc., is sappy naivete. They're crooks; the sprinkling of decent reps is minuscule and ineffective.

    So, what to do?

    The corruption is endemic from top to bottom.

    My previous residence was in Hamilton Township in Monroe County, PA . Population about 8,000.
    The 3 Township Supervisors appointed themselves to township jobs- Road master, Zoning officer etc and pay themselves twice the going rate with the occupant of the job under review abstaining while his two palls vote him the money. Anybody challenging this is met with a shit-storm of propaganda and a mysterious explosion in voter turn-out: guess who runs the local polls?

    The chief of the local volunteer fire company has to sign off on the sprinkler systems before any occupation certificate can be issued for a commercial building. Conveniently he runs a plumbing business. Guess who gets the lion’s share of plumbing jobs for new commercial buildings?

    As they climb the greasy pole, it only gets worse.

    Meanwhile the routine business of looting continues:

    My local rag (an organ of the Murdoch crime family) had a little piece last year about the new 3 year contract for the local county prison guards. I went back to the two previous two contracts and discovered that by 2018 they will have had 33% increases over nine years. Between 2008 and 2013 (the latest years I could find data for) median household income in the county decreased by 13%.

    At some point some rogue politician will start fighting this battle.

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  36. Svigor says:

    That’s not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to undermine the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it.

    True.

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  37. alexander says:

    Dear Mr. Petras,

    It seems that our POTUS has just chosen to eject 35 Russian diplomats from our country, on grounds of hacking the election against Hillary.

    Is this some weird, preliminary “shot across the bow” in preparation for the coming “coup attempt” you seem to believe is in the offing ?

    It seem the powers-that-be are pulling out all the stops to prevent an authentic rapprochement with Moscow.

    What for ?

    It makes you wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, something beyond the sanguine disgruntlement of the party bosses and a desire for payback against Hillary’s big loss ?

    Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining to stuff…..like 9-11 ?

    Why is cooperation between the new administration and Moscow so scary to these people that they would initiate a preemptive diplomatic shut down ?

    They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before Trumps inauguration.

    Perhaps something “else “is being planned……..Does anyone have any ideas whats going on ?

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before Trumps inauguration."
    The subtitles are quite direct in presenting the US deciders as criminal bullies: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/12/russia-obama-was-most-evil-president.html
    , @Tomster
    What does Russian intelligence know? Err ... perhaps something like that the US/UK have sold nukes to the head-choppers of the riyadh caliphate, say (knowing how completely mad their incestuous brains are?). Who knows? - but such a fact could explain many inexplicable things.
  38. RobinG says:
    @Art
    I do not like saying it, but the appointment of the Palestinian hating Jew as ambassador to Israel has disarmed the Jew community – they can no longer call Trump an anti-Semite – the most power two words in America. The result is that the domestic side of the coup is over.

    The Russian thing has to play out. The Jew forces will try and make bad blood between America and Russia – hopefully Trump and Putin will let it play out, but really ignore it.

    If we get past the inauguration, the CIA is going to be toast. GOOD!

    Peace --- Art

    “If we get past the inauguration….”

    Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) – doing his best to screw things up before Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can’t transition during war?

    Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at war with terrorists, isn’t this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act – providing aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.

    A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII.
    Francis Boyle writes:
    “… I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes—just as I did to the late, great Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP. Just have the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.

    Francis A. Boyle
    Law Building
    504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
    Champaign IL 61820 USA
    217-333-7954 (phone)
    217-244-1478 (fax)

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    • Replies: @Art
    Hi RobinG,

    This is much ado about nothing - in a NYT's article today - they said that the DNC was told about being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 - they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!

    The RNC got smart - not the DNC - it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.

    Really - how pissed off can they be?

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.

  39. map says:
    @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry’s and Barack Obama’s recent stance on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.

    What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing project.

    Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel’s national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews. It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.

    Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either “solution” actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries. So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do not consider very good for themselves. Trump’s support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.

    Of course, one could ask: why don’t the Israeli Jews just move to America? What’s the big deal if Israel remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can’t be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians, workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews, therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.

    So, again, we see that Trump’s move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their pride in nationalist endeavors.

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    • Replies: @joe webb
    masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer moms on the Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever, but probably did not come from Trump.

    As for "The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either “solution” actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis."

    That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty with Israel, and then continue to press their claims...Israel would have the moral high ground to beat hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public opinion.

    Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.

    I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now.
    Don't forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains for the jews.

    Also, T's claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don't think he is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but...

    Joe Webb

    , @RobinG
    "A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash."

    Perhaps you'd like to discuss why so much of this and other "scut work" is done by Palestinians, while an increasing number of Israeli Jews are on the dole.
  40. Realist says:

    “The ‘experts’ were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts and documentation of a ‘rigged election’. Everyday, every hour, the ‘Russian Plot’ was breathlessly described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC, NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa.”

    You left out Fox, most of their news anchors and pundits are rabidly pro Israel and anti Russia.

    There is a pretty good chance, since all else has failed so far, Obama will declare ‘a special situation martial law’. And you can be sure many on both sides of Congress will comply. This will once again demonstrate who is on the power elite payroll. If this happens hopefully the military will be on Trumps side and round up those responsible and proper justice meted out.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    The obscenity of the US behavior abroad leads directly to an alliance of ziocons and war profiteers. Here is a highly educational paper on the exceptional amorality of the US administration: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194709.html
    "The existence of a NATO bunker in East Aleppo confirms what we have been saying about the role of NATO LandCom in the coordination of the jihadists... The liberation of Syria should continue at Idleb ... the zone is de facto governed by NATO via a string of pseudo-NGO’s. At least, this is what was noted last month by a US think-tank. To beat the jihadists there, it will be necessary first of all to cut their supply lines, in other words, close the Turtkish frontier. This is what Russian diplomacy is currently working on."
    Well. After wasting the uncounted trillions of US dollars on the war on terror and after filling the VA hospitals with the ruined young men and women and after bringing death a destruction on apocalyptic scale to the Middle East in the name of 9/11, the US has found new bosom buddies - the hordes of fanatical jihadis.
  41. annamaria says:
    @alexander
    Dear Mr. Petras,

    It seems that our POTUS has just chosen to eject 35 Russian diplomats from our country, on grounds of hacking the election against Hillary.

    Is this some weird, preliminary "shot across the bow" in preparation for the coming "coup attempt" you seem to believe is in the offing ?

    It seem the powers-that-be are pulling out all the stops to prevent an authentic rapprochement with Moscow.

    What for ?


    It makes you wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, something beyond the sanguine disgruntlement of the party bosses and a desire for payback against Hillary's big loss ?

    Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining to stuff.....like 9-11 ?

    Why is cooperation between the new administration and Moscow so scary to these people that they would initiate a preemptive diplomatic shut down ?

    They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before Trumps inauguration.

    Perhaps something "else "is being planned........Does anyone have any ideas whats going on ?

    “They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before Trumps inauguration.”
    The subtitles are quite direct in presenting the US deciders as criminal bullies: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/12/russia-obama-was-most-evil-president.html

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  42. joe webb says:
    @map
    I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.

    What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing project.

    Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews. It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.

    Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries. So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.

    Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians, workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews, therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.

    So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their pride in nationalist endeavors.

    masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer moms on the Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever, but probably did not come from Trump.

    As for “The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either “solution” actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis.”

    That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty with Israel, and then continue to press their claims…Israel would have the moral high ground to beat hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public opinion.

    Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.

    I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now.
    Don’t forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains for the jews.

    Also, T’s claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don’t think he is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but…

    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @map
    The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.

    It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.

    The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just triangulation against the left.

    I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.
  43. Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining to stuff…..like 9-11 ?

    I would dearly like to know what Moscow and Tel Aviv know about 9-11.

    I suspect they both know more than almost anyone else.

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  44. annamaria says:
    @Realist
    "The ‘experts’ were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts and documentation of a ‘rigged election’. Everyday, every hour, the ‘Russian Plot’ was breathlessly described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC, NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa."

    You left out Fox, most of their news anchors and pundits are rabidly pro Israel and anti Russia.

    There is a pretty good chance, since all else has failed so far, Obama will declare 'a special situation martial law'. And you can be sure many on both sides of Congress will comply. This will once again demonstrate who is on the power elite payroll. If this happens hopefully the military will be on Trumps side and round up those responsible and proper justice meted out.

    The obscenity of the US behavior abroad leads directly to an alliance of ziocons and war profiteers. Here is a highly educational paper on the exceptional amorality of the US administration: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194709.html
    “The existence of a NATO bunker in East Aleppo confirms what we have been saying about the role of NATO LandCom in the coordination of the jihadists… The liberation of Syria should continue at Idleb … the zone is de facto governed by NATO via a string of pseudo-NGO’s. At least, this is what was noted last month by a US think-tank. To beat the jihadists there, it will be necessary first of all to cut their supply lines, in other words, close the Turtkish frontier. This is what Russian diplomacy is currently working on.”
    Well. After wasting the uncounted trillions of US dollars on the war on terror and after filling the VA hospitals with the ruined young men and women and after bringing death a destruction on apocalyptic scale to the Middle East in the name of 9/11, the US has found new bosom buddies – the hordes of fanatical jihadis.

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  45. Art says:
    @RobinG
    "If we get past the inauguration...."

    Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) - doing his best to screw things up before Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can't transition during war?

    Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at war with terrorists, isn't this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act - providing aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.

    A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII.
    Francis Boyle writes:
    "... I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes—just as I did to the late, great Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP. Just have the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.

    Francis A. Boyle
    Law Building
    504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
    Champaign IL 61820 USA
    217-333-7954 (phone)
    217-244-1478 (fax)

    Hi RobinG,

    This is much ado about nothing – in a NYT’s article today – they said that the DNC was told about being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 – they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!

    The RNC got smart – not the DNC – it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.

    Really – how pissed off can they be?

    Peace — Art

    p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.

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    Hi Art,

    I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I've failed miserably. My interest in the hacking is nil.

    What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.

    Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.
  46. Svigor says:

    Looks like I spoke too soon:

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312132-fbi-dhs-release-report-on-russia-hacking

    The feds have now released their reports, detailing how the dastardly Russians darkly influenced the 2016 presidential election by…releasing Democrats’ emails, and giving the American public a peek inside the Democrat machine.

    Those dastardly Russkies have informed and enlightened the American public for long enough! This shall not stand!

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  47. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I do not like thee, Doctor Stein,
    Attention whore on suckers' dime.
    And I shall say it one more time:
    I do not like thee, Doctor Stein.

    A nice re-purposing of Thomas Brown’s little ditty.

    Well done.

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  48. RobinG says:
    @Art
    Hi RobinG,

    This is much ado about nothing - in a NYT's article today - they said that the DNC was told about being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 - they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!

    The RNC got smart - not the DNC - it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.

    Really - how pissed off can they be?

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.

    Hi Art,

    I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I’ve failed miserably. My interest in the hacking is nil.

    What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.

    Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.

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    What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
     
    RobinG --- Agree 100% - some times I get things crossed up --- Peace Art
  49. anon says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

    This is a very underwhelming document.

    I assume that everyone agrees that the final outcome of the security breach was that ‘Wikileaks’ leaked internal emails of Clinton Campaign Manager Pedesta and DNC emails regarding embarrassing behavior.

    No one is suggesting that the leaked information is ‘fake news’.

    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.

    Given that Podesta’s password was ‘P@ssw0rd’ — does it take Russian deep state security to hack?

    From WikiLeaks:

    “From:eryn.sepp@gmail.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com Date: 2015-02-19 00:35 Subject: 2 things

    Though CAP is still having issues with my email and computer, yours is good to go. jpodesta p@ssw0rd

    The report is 13 pages of mostly nothing.

    Note the Disclaimer:

    DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within. DHS does not endorse any commercial product or service referenced in this advisory or otherwise. This document is distributed as TLP:WHITE: Subject to standard copyright rules, TLP:WHITE information may be distributed without restriction. For more information on the Traffic Light Protocol, see https://www.us-cert.gov/tlp.

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    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.
     
    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.
  50. Realist says:
    @annamaria
    The obscenity of the US behavior abroad leads directly to an alliance of ziocons and war profiteers. Here is a highly educational paper on the exceptional amorality of the US administration: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194709.html
    "The existence of a NATO bunker in East Aleppo confirms what we have been saying about the role of NATO LandCom in the coordination of the jihadists... The liberation of Syria should continue at Idleb ... the zone is de facto governed by NATO via a string of pseudo-NGO’s. At least, this is what was noted last month by a US think-tank. To beat the jihadists there, it will be necessary first of all to cut their supply lines, in other words, close the Turtkish frontier. This is what Russian diplomacy is currently working on."
    Well. After wasting the uncounted trillions of US dollars on the war on terror and after filling the VA hospitals with the ruined young men and women and after bringing death a destruction on apocalyptic scale to the Middle East in the name of 9/11, the US has found new bosom buddies - the hordes of fanatical jihadis.

    Great observations. Thanks.

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  51. map says:
    @joe webb
    masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer moms on the Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever, but probably did not come from Trump.

    As for "The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either “solution” actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis."

    That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty with Israel, and then continue to press their claims...Israel would have the moral high ground to beat hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public opinion.

    Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.

    I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now.
    Don't forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains for the jews.

    Also, T's claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don't think he is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but...

    Joe Webb

    The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can’t afford.

    It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.

    The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just triangulation against the left.

    I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East. I don’t know who is using them or for what purpose.

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    "treated very shabbily" indeed, by other Arabs - who have done virtually nothing for them.
    , @joe webb
    good points. Yet, Palestinians ..."They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East." sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about
    Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?

    Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.

    As for feelings that don't change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially when a "legal" document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.

    (We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of affairs. Mexico only "owned" California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere that there were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under discussion..)

    How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have ample resources and could pony up the dough.

    The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on, even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion. The Jews are god's favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.

    As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much...even over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.

    Sorry but your "comfortably repatriated" is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like the Jews.

    The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way humpty-dumpty will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like Assad, like Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be
    democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries's genetic predisposition.\

    For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway.
    Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.

    The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just as Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.

    All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.

    finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for their jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any other race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain.
    Joe Webb
  52. @anon
    https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

    This is a very underwhelming document.

    I assume that everyone agrees that the final outcome of the security breach was that 'Wikileaks' leaked internal emails of Clinton Campaign Manager Pedesta and DNC emails regarding embarrassing behavior.

    No one is suggesting that the leaked information is 'fake news'.

    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.

    Given that Podesta's password was 'P@ssw0rd' -- does it take Russian deep state security to hack?

    From WikiLeaks:

    "From:eryn.sepp@gmail.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com Date: 2015-02-19 00:35 Subject: 2 things

    Though CAP is still having issues with my email and computer, yours is good to go. jpodesta p@ssw0rd

    The report is 13 pages of mostly nothing.

    Note the Disclaimer:

    DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within. DHS does not endorse any commercial product or service referenced in this advisory or otherwise. This document is distributed as TLP:WHITE: Subject to standard copyright rules, TLP:WHITE information may be distributed without restriction. For more information on the Traffic Light Protocol, see https://www.us-cert.gov/tlp.

    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.

    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.

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    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.
     
    "Was" is the operative word:

    Julian Assange Suggests That DNC’s Seth Rich Was Murdered For Being a Wikileaker

    https://heatst.com/tech/wikileaks-offers-20000-for-information-about-seth-richs-killer/
    , @alexander
    Given all the hoaky, "evidence free" punitive assaults being launched against Moscow today ....combined with the profusion of utterly fraudulent narratives foisted down the throats of the American people over the last sixteen years...

    Its NOT outside of reason to take a good hard look at the "Seth Rich incident" and reconstruct an outline of events(probably) much closer to the truth than the big media would ever be willing to discuss or admit.

    Namely, that Seth Rich, a young decent kid (27) who was working as the data director for the campaign, came across evidence of "dirty pool" within the voting systems during the DNC nomination ,which were fraudulently (and maybe even blatantly) tilting the results towards Hillary.

    He probably did the "right thing" by notifying one of the DNC bosses of the fraud ..who informed him he would look into it and that he should keep it quite for the moment...

    .I wouldn't be surprised if Seth reached out to a reporter , too, probably at the at the NY Times, who informed his editor...who, in turn, had such deep connections to the Hillary corruption machine...that he placed a call to a DNC backroom boss ... who , at some point, made the decision to take steps to shut Seth's mouth, permanently...."just make it look like a robbery (or something)"

    Seth, not being stupid, and knowing he had the dirt on Hillary that could crush her (as well as the reputation of the entire democratic party)......probably reached out to Julian Assange, too, to hedge his bets.

    In the interview Julian gave shortly after Seth's death, he intimated that Seth was the leak, although he did not state it outright.

    Something like this sequence of events (with perhaps a few alterations ) is probably quite close to what actually happened.

    So here we have a scenario, where the D.N.C. Oligarchs , so corrupt, so evil, so disdainful of the electorate, and the democratic process , rig the nomination results (on multiple levels) for Hillary..and when the evidence of this is found, by a decent young kid with his whole life ahead of him, they had him shot in the back.....four times...

    And then "Big Media for Hillary", rather than investigate this horrific tragedy and expose the dirty malevolence at play within the DNC , quashes the entire narrative and grafts in its place the"substitute" Putin hacks..... demanding faux accountability... culminating with sanctions and ejections of the entire Russian diplomatic corp.......all on the grounds of attempting to "sully American Democracy"
    .

    But hey, that's life in the USA....Right, Seamus ?

  53. Skeptikal says:

    “what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist policies. ”

    The longer Israel persists in its “facts-on-the-ground” thievery, the less moral standing it has for its white country. And it is a racist state also within its own “borders.”

    A pathetic excuse for a country. Without the USA it wouldn’t exist.
    A black mark on both countries’ report cards.

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  54. geokat62 says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.
     
    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.

    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.

    “Was” is the operative word:

    Julian Assange Suggests That DNC’s Seth Rich Was Murdered For Being a Wikileaker

    https://heatst.com/tech/wikileaks-offers-20000-for-information-about-seth-richs-killer/

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  55. alan2102 says:
    @joe webb
    much ado about not much. Petra is a leftie, with a leftie view, often shared by righties, that there is a Deep State (coined probably by deep throaters) that runs the show.

    Hatreds and conspiracies abound, but so what? Petras' "(which interestingly lack support from the military and judiciary),") is the key to his argument. Which is that he has no argument, only hand-me=downs from decades of leftist cant.

    Nothing will happen in the way of a coup or a 'blow' to Trump. Politics, ramped up to the pitch of the beginning of civil war, probably will happen. In that case, the military, if it does anything, will be on the side of the People, meaning white people, etc.

    Petras is a standard brand leftist , along with Shamir, Hudson, and a couple others...they are johnny one-noters.

    The most interesting thing these days is how long the Myth/Lie of Race equality can be touted by the Left, and the jew media and its shabbas goyim, and Fox News, etc. This is the Story of Stories for our time. I am pretty sure that Trump will signal the cops, etc. to shoot to kill looters next time, as in The Fire...

    Should be a great year. Let the bad times roll. Enjoy. I particularly like to watch the communist negro, Van Jones. The guy's bone fides ARE that he IS a communist, or used to be one. The Articulate Negro.

    Joe Webb

    “the communist negro, Van Jones” lol. Just like the “communist” Obama, huh?

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  56. RobinG says:
    @map
    I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.

    What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing project.

    Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews. It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.

    Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries. So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.

    Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians, workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews, therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.

    So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their pride in nationalist endeavors.

    “A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive the nails, throw out the trash.”

    Perhaps you’d like to discuss why so much of this and other “scut work” is done by Palestinians, while an increasing number of Israeli Jews are on the dole.

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  57. RobinG says:
    @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    “As Israel Shamir reminds us: there’s nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what’s right. ”

    THEN WHY DOESN’T HE DO WHAT’S RIGHT? As Seamus Padraig pointed out, the UN abstention is “just more empty symbolism.”
    Meanwhile…
    The Christmas Eve attack on the First Amendment
    The approval of arming terrorists in Syria
    The fake news about Russian hacking throwing Killary’s election

    Aid to terrorists is a felony. Obama should be indicted.

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  58. Art says:
    @RobinG
    Hi Art,

    I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I've failed miserably. My interest in the hacking is nil.

    What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.

    Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.

    What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.

    RobinG — Agree 100% – some times I get things crossed up — Peace Art

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  59. Tomster says:
    @Mark Green
    This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!

    Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role. And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.

    Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's beginning to look that way.

    Or is Trump just being a fox?

    Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.

    This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating. And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.

    As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.

    Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.

    And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.

    Didn't you?

    Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.

    This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel (which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown. Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli pressure.

    Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.

    Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.

    Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?

    Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.

    Most of the Western world is much sicker of the head-choppers in charge of our ‘human rights’ at the UN (thanks to Obama and the UK) than it is of Israel. It is they, not we, who have funded ISIS directly.

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  60. Tomster says:
    @alexander
    Dear Mr. Petras,

    It seems that our POTUS has just chosen to eject 35 Russian diplomats from our country, on grounds of hacking the election against Hillary.

    Is this some weird, preliminary "shot across the bow" in preparation for the coming "coup attempt" you seem to believe is in the offing ?

    It seem the powers-that-be are pulling out all the stops to prevent an authentic rapprochement with Moscow.

    What for ?


    It makes you wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, something beyond the sanguine disgruntlement of the party bosses and a desire for payback against Hillary's big loss ?

    Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining to stuff.....like 9-11 ?

    Why is cooperation between the new administration and Moscow so scary to these people that they would initiate a preemptive diplomatic shut down ?

    They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before Trumps inauguration.

    Perhaps something "else "is being planned........Does anyone have any ideas whats going on ?

    What does Russian intelligence know? Err … perhaps something like that the US/UK have sold nukes to the head-choppers of the riyadh caliphate, say (knowing how completely mad their incestuous brains are?). Who knows? – but such a fact could explain many inexplicable things.

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  61. Tomster says:
    @map
    The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.

    It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.

    The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just triangulation against the left.

    I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.

    “treated very shabbily” indeed, by other Arabs – who have done virtually nothing for them.

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  62. alexander says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic campaign itself.
     
    His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.

    Given all the hoaky, “evidence free” punitive assaults being launched against Moscow today ….combined with the profusion of utterly fraudulent narratives foisted down the throats of the American people over the last sixteen years…

    Its NOT outside of reason to take a good hard look at the “Seth Rich incident” and reconstruct an outline of events(probably) much closer to the truth than the big media would ever be willing to discuss or admit.

    Namely, that Seth Rich, a young decent kid (27) who was working as the data director for the campaign, came across evidence of “dirty pool” within the voting systems during the DNC nomination ,which were fraudulently (and maybe even blatantly) tilting the results towards Hillary.

    He probably did the “right thing” by notifying one of the DNC bosses of the fraud ..who informed him he would look into it and that he should keep it quite for the moment…

    .I wouldn’t be surprised if Seth reached out to a reporter , too, probably at the at the NY Times, who informed his editor…who, in turn, had such deep connections to the Hillary corruption machine…that he placed a call to a DNC backroom boss … who , at some point, made the decision to take steps to shut Seth’s mouth, permanently….”just make it look like a robbery (or something)”

    Seth, not being stupid, and knowing he had the dirt on Hillary that could crush her (as well as the reputation of the entire democratic party)……probably reached out to Julian Assange, too, to hedge his bets.

    In the interview Julian gave shortly after Seth’s death, he intimated that Seth was the leak, although he did not state it outright.

    Something like this sequence of events (with perhaps a few alterations ) is probably quite close to what actually happened.

    So here we have a scenario, where the D.N.C. Oligarchs , so corrupt, so evil, so disdainful of the electorate, and the democratic process , rig the nomination results (on multiple levels) for Hillary..and when the evidence of this is found, by a decent young kid with his whole life ahead of him, they had him shot in the back…..four times…

    And then “Big Media for Hillary”, rather than investigate this horrific tragedy and expose the dirty malevolence at play within the DNC , quashes the entire narrative and grafts in its place the”substitute” Putin hacks….. demanding faux accountability… culminating with sanctions and ejections of the entire Russian diplomatic corp…….all on the grounds of attempting to “sully American Democracy”
    .

    But hey, that’s life in the USA….Right, Seamus ?

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  63. joe webb says:
    @map
    The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.

    It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.

    The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just triangulation against the left.

    I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.

    good points. Yet, Palestinians …”They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East.” sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about
    Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?

    Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.

    As for feelings that don’t change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially when a “legal” document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.

    (We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of affairs. Mexico only “owned” California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere that there were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under discussion..)

    How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have ample resources and could pony up the dough.

    The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on, even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion. The Jews are god’s favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.

    As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much…even over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.

    Sorry but your “comfortably repatriated” is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like the Jews.

    The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way humpty-dumpty will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like Assad, like Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be
    democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries’s genetic predisposition.\

    For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway.
    Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.

    The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just as Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.

    All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.

    finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for their jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any other race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain.
    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Sorry Joe, the "whites" did not give the Jews the atomic bomb. In truth, the Jews were critically important in developing the scientific ideas and technology critical to making the first atomic bomb.

    I can recognize Jewish malfeasance where it exists, but to ignore their intellectual contributions to Western Civilization is sheer blindness.
    , @map
    I will answer your first question by responding that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East and Israel is, therefore, their home. It is where they belong.

    But to address the rest of your point, let's establish a framework.

    The initial Zionist project was about convincing as many Jews as possible to support it. The historical Israel was the easiest argument to make, by hook or by crook, to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established, the bulk of the project was convincing the British Empire to at least tacitly support Zionist project. Once that was underway, a large scale movement of people to the area began.

    The Arabs, seeing this invasion as a threat, rightfully attacked the invaders, as any biological organism would when confronted by an invading enemy. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The invader was then able to consolidate their holdings over time, even when facing subsequent, organized attacks from the Arabs. None of those Arab-Israeli wars successfully dislodged Israel. When open warfare could not work, terrorism and various forms of subterfuge and underground warfare was employed. This also failed to make a very large dent in Israel's existence and territorial expansion, culminating in the situation that we have today.

    What is the single motivating factor for all of these events? That Israel is an invader and that it has no reason to exist. The Arabs are entitled to think this way about it if they like, but the Israelis obviously have a difference of opinion and they are willing to back that difference of opinion with force. This idea forms the basis of every ME conflict since 1947.

    Now we fast forward to the present and an altogether different argument is used. Now it's about dealing with the poor Palestinian refugees, how they desperately want a homeland of their own, either bordering Israel or within Israel itself. Israel must do whatever it can to facilitate this need if any lasting peace is to be had. Yet, why would anyone expect that this new motivation somehow supersedes the old one, of believing that Israel is an invader that has no right to exist? We're told that this is the case, but there is no reason to believe it.

    Consider an analogous example, that of gun control. Why do leftists want to desperately get rid of all guns? What really motivates them? They want to get rid of guns because they want to do bad things to you that they could otherwise not do if you are heavily armed. The entire gun control industry is a hive of lies, filled with bogus statistics, wrong predictions, and parades of horribles that never emerge. They've been losing badly. Now, they change their tactics. They are concerned about guns as a "public health" problem. They worry about "dangerous" people getting guns. They want to make sure the mentally ill, the unstable, and the divorced don't have access to firearms. You know, to save the children. It all sounds eminently reasonable...until you understand the whole history of the gun control movement and its sinister motivations. With that understanding, there could be a school shooting every day and I would not consider any gun control measure Leftists support to be reasonable. I know where that will lead.

    Asking Israel to submit their nation to this experimentation under the hope that it will work out, when history indicates otherwise, is like submitting to left-wing gun control measures under the hope that Leftists will stick only to their stated objectives. It is stupid and foolish. Asking Israel to commit suicide under the belief that it is not really suicide goes against history and common sense. They are not going to buy it.

    Going back to your article, there a few things to understand. Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That's life. Furthermore, no money is owed to these people. If America "bought" Texas from Mexico, then it was only after the US soundly defeated the Mexican army and potentially threatened the balance of Mexican territory. The US, under these terms, gave Mexico an offer it could not refuse: "take this money and sign a treaty, or we will take that money, plus a little more, and destroy your country. You decide."

    You are right, in that I don't care for the low-grade anti-Muslimism I see either, where it's just somehow ok to attack and kill Arabs or Persians.

    I don't see why Palestinians can't be repatriated. Many Jews moved from elsewhere in the middle east to go to Israel. Jordan, Egypt and Syria were all willing to go to war with Israel over dirt, but they are unwilling to provide space for their fellow Muslims? Ridiculous.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethnostate along the same lines as Israel's Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have it's ethnostate trappings as well.

    I have a tentative optimism that America can strike this balance under Trump.
  64. Realist says:

    Trump has absolutely no support in the media. With the Fox News and Fox Business, first string, talking heads on vacation (minimal support) the second and third string are insanely trying to push the Russian hacking bullshit. Trump better realize that the only support he has are the people that voted for him.

    January 2017 will be a bad month for this country and the rest of 2017 much worse.

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  65. lavoisier says: • Website
    @joe webb
    good points. Yet, Palestinians ..."They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East." sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about
    Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?

    Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.

    As for feelings that don't change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially when a "legal" document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.

    (We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of affairs. Mexico only "owned" California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere that there were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under discussion..)

    How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have ample resources and could pony up the dough.

    The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on, even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion. The Jews are god's favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.

    As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much...even over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.

    Sorry but your "comfortably repatriated" is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like the Jews.

    The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way humpty-dumpty will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like Assad, like Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be
    democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries's genetic predisposition.\

    For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway.
    Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.

    The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just as Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.

    All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.

    finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for their jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any other race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain.
    Joe Webb

    Sorry Joe, the “whites” did not give the Jews the atomic bomb. In truth, the Jews were critically important in developing the scientific ideas and technology critical to making the first atomic bomb.

    I can recognize Jewish malfeasance where it exists, but to ignore their intellectual contributions to Western Civilization is sheer blindness.

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  66. With each passing day president Obama is emerging as the prissy little bitch I always suspected was there.

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  67. Its really sad that you folks are just now beginning to see through his BS, as he is simply typical for democrats in general and I was aware of their dispicable nature fifty years ago.
    He represents perfectly the corrupt, dissolute democrat mindset, and T Kennedy should have been more than enough.
    And of course I am fully aware that there are myriads of scumbags within the republican ranks, the huge difference being republicans at least condemn their bad guys , and democrats defend their scoundrels and circle the wagons around them.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” scoiety member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

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  68. joe webb says:

    Nobody knows how Israel got the bomb, but France and the US were implicated, then Germany gives them subs, etc. And the US continues to arms them.

    Intellectual contribution to Western Civililzation is a howler. Jews were dragged out of the rabbi ridden ghetto by Napoleon. The ancient Greco Roman civ percolated thru our history with absolute custodial help from The Church. No jewish help there.

    Enlightenment and Romantic thought…untouched by jews, and especially jews untouched by it. You can always point to an individual or two, like Spinoza, etc.

    Now if you want to include religion in Intellectual Contribution To The West, Protestantism adopted the OT as a club with which to beat The Church. Kill Them All is Deuteronomy contribution. Swords into Ploughshares and later, in Amos as I recall, morphed back into Swords when the occasion merits it.

    Protestantism is the Sword and Shield of Israel. That is why Trump sought the Evangelicals, etc.

    Allah and Jehovah are War Gods. Every ersatz messiah to come along for the jews has been a warrior god to beat hell out of the goyim, while occasionally getting laid on the side.

    Christianity is the Religion of peace and love. Now it may be true that that is a problem but somehow until the Jews figured out our Achille’s Heel, our Altruism, and combined with our bleeding heart liberal types and wrote the books on racial equality, we managed to survive our enemies. Until the neocon ism of our time, and the muzzies driven nuts by Israel.

    As for other Contributions, please give us a few of them in general, just for fun.

    We would be much better off without jews, just as would be the whole world.

    There is but One Intellectual contribution to the West…. subversion generally, and especially The Left, and most importantly its Cultural Bolshevism of our times, which has eroded White self-confidence, love of our own race, etc. All of this while Jews dance in Jews Only Israel and crow about the Jewish Century. Pure Enemy.

    please skip the doctor lawyer stuff.
    Joe Webb

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  69. Svigor says:

    “treated very shabbily” indeed, by other Arabs – who have done virtually nothing for them.

    These conversations all remind me of American conversations, except for the part where Jews are on the leftist side:

    Ethnopatriot: “Nobody’s as harsh on blacks as other blacks. They’re bumping each other off left and right.”
    Jewish-American: “racist! No justice no peace! It’s all YT’s fault!”
    Ethnopatriot: “Nobody was as harsh on Amerinds as other Amerinds. They were bumping each other off left and right. The ones we weren’t fighting were the ones allied with us against the ones we were fighting.”
    Jewish-American: “racist! No justice no peace! It’s all YT’s fault!”

    good points. Yet, Palestinians …”They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East.”

    Yeah, there’s another one:

    Ethnopatriot: “We had to move the Indians to reservations, the two populations were incompatible.”
    Jewish-American: “racist! Never Forget the Trail of Tears! Wounded Knee! It’s all YT’s fault!”

    Mexico only “owned” California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything for their land at the time.

    Maybe not Mexicans, but Americans did. We bought a gobsmacking amount of territory, fair and square. This seems to have been thoroughly memory-holed from general education. Guess it only matters when it’s Jews who are fairly acquiring some of the land.

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  70. robt says:
    @Kirt
    A very insightful analysis. The golpistas will not be able to prevent Trump from taking power. But will they make the country ungovernable to the extent of bringing down not just Trump but the whole system?

    The actions of Obama are reminiscent of scorched earth and ‘poison the well’ policies of other failed governments in the past, with the usual absurd blaming of everyone, including foreign governments, but not exempting the backstabbing of their own workers, for their failure.
    More proof that the government transition should be conducted the next day, customary in many or most democracies, rather than over the course of months.
    This mass tantrum should be an embarassment to politicians and the general public, but shamefully it isn’t, and even more shamefully it is directed and encouraged by the media. Lies by leftists are customary during a campaign, and the sabotaging of the handover to a new non-leftist government is traditional, but this example of juvenile petulance has reached extremes that should rather be described as both infantile and neurotic.

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  71. joe webb says:

    Furthermore, as a biology/evolution guy, without God, but agnostic, I am convinced that the Desert religions of muzzies and jews are deeply embedded in their genes. Joseph Campbell, the mythologist, notes this stuff as I recall. Campbell, an anti-semite by the way, did not talk about evolution as I recall, but he might just as well have done so, what with his Desert vs. Agriculture typology.

    The Far East is more about vegetation/organicism/farming and consequently has produced religions that are more passive and pacific. (Their collectivism is part of this as well)

    Then there is the Pastoralism of the Semites. This raising of animals and living on them, sharpens awareness of inherited characteristics in breeding animals. This is a likely stimulus: to become aware of breeding in humans as well, not that our own tradition was unaware of it. Blood has always been the basis of aristocratic claims.

    There is a sexual component to this that cannot be overlooked. Agriculturists were ignorant of plant eugenic breeding , at least in large part. The sex connection in Judaism is large, especially in Cabbalah, and Zohar. Some of it is comical, but always an obsession. Not all of it was wild and crazy sex, which our later jews haver adopted, like Nobbe Brown’s “polymorphous perversity” and the gurus of the sexual revolution, like Marcuse and Reich and later, the bathhouse-died homosexual whats his name, but most of the cabbalah sex was very weird.

    Animals mean sex compared to agriculture which means hard work.

    Some early zionists commonly called for the jews to become normal by manual hard work, agriculture, etc. That never really took hold in Israel but it is part of the ideology.

    Muzzies commit all these sex crimes in Europe, etc. Jews are smarter than that, but for decades i have observed Jews hustle the gals in ways that are far more aggressive than the worst of whites.

    Then there is the New York school of Jewish fiction writers…all obsessed with sex. Phillip Roth is supposed to be the guy who whistle-blew on jews in this regard, with his novels that outed the jews….I dunno. Roth seemed to relish his sex stuff. Then there is Psychoanalysis…the Absurdity of All Time in Jewish Contributions to Western Civilization.

    Of course, now Israel is headed back to Orthodoxy and the primeval Jewish Spirit. The Jihadism of the muzzies is matched by the likudnik Orthodoxy. Only jews got big guns and muzzies do not. Terrorism is the weapon of the militarily weak. Jews use normal warfare, especially US proxies in their Jewish Wars. They don’t have to be Terrorists. They got the Big Guns, and of course, the Bomb….the Ultimate Terror Weapon. And they will use it.

    If you have big guns or big bombs , you use them every day to concentrate the brains of your enemies. However, Jews will be the first to actually use the Bomb, or get the goyim to use it for them.

    Who’s the Terrorist? All of these wars are for Israel. Trump appears to be totally judaized.
    Joe Webb

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    "Agriculturists were ignorant of plant eugenic breeding , at least in large part"

    So who developed wheat, millet, barley, corn, potatoes, etc. from wild strains?
  72. map says:
    @joe webb
    good points. Yet, Palestinians ..."They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle East." sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about
    Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?

    Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.

    As for feelings that don't change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially when a "legal" document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.

    (We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of affairs. Mexico only "owned" California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere that there were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under discussion..)

    How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have ample resources and could pony up the dough.

    The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on, even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion. The Jews are god's favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.

    As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much...even over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.

    Sorry but your "comfortably repatriated" is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like the Jews.

    The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way humpty-dumpty will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like Assad, like Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be
    democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries's genetic predisposition.\

    For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway.
    Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.

    The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just as Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.

    All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.

    finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for their jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any other race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain.
    Joe Webb

    I will answer your first question by responding that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East and Israel is, therefore, their home. It is where they belong.

    But to address the rest of your point, let’s establish a framework.

    The initial Zionist project was about convincing as many Jews as possible to support it. The historical Israel was the easiest argument to make, by hook or by crook, to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established, the bulk of the project was convincing the British Empire to at least tacitly support Zionist project. Once that was underway, a large scale movement of people to the area began.

    The Arabs, seeing this invasion as a threat, rightfully attacked the invaders, as any biological organism would when confronted by an invading enemy. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The invader was then able to consolidate their holdings over time, even when facing subsequent, organized attacks from the Arabs. None of those Arab-Israeli wars successfully dislodged Israel. When open warfare could not work, terrorism and various forms of subterfuge and underground warfare was employed. This also failed to make a very large dent in Israel’s existence and territorial expansion, culminating in the situation that we have today.

    What is the single motivating factor for all of these events? That Israel is an invader and that it has no reason to exist. The Arabs are entitled to think this way about it if they like, but the Israelis obviously have a difference of opinion and they are willing to back that difference of opinion with force. This idea forms the basis of every ME conflict since 1947.

    Now we fast forward to the present and an altogether different argument is used. Now it’s about dealing with the poor Palestinian refugees, how they desperately want a homeland of their own, either bordering Israel or within Israel itself. Israel must do whatever it can to facilitate this need if any lasting peace is to be had. Yet, why would anyone expect that this new motivation somehow supersedes the old one, of believing that Israel is an invader that has no right to exist? We’re told that this is the case, but there is no reason to believe it.

    Consider an analogous example, that of gun control. Why do leftists want to desperately get rid of all guns? What really motivates them? They want to get rid of guns because they want to do bad things to you that they could otherwise not do if you are heavily armed. The entire gun control industry is a hive of lies, filled with bogus statistics, wrong predictions, and parades of horribles that never emerge. They’ve been losing badly. Now, they change their tactics. They are concerned about guns as a “public health” problem. They worry about “dangerous” people getting guns. They want to make sure the mentally ill, the unstable, and the divorced don’t have access to firearms. You know, to save the children. It all sounds eminently reasonable…until you understand the whole history of the gun control movement and its sinister motivations. With that understanding, there could be a school shooting every day and I would not consider any gun control measure Leftists support to be reasonable. I know where that will lead.

    Asking Israel to submit their nation to this experimentation under the hope that it will work out, when history indicates otherwise, is like submitting to left-wing gun control measures under the hope that Leftists will stick only to their stated objectives. It is stupid and foolish. Asking Israel to commit suicide under the belief that it is not really suicide goes against history and common sense. They are not going to buy it.

    Going back to your article, there a few things to understand. Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life. Furthermore, no money is owed to these people. If America “bought” Texas from Mexico, then it was only after the US soundly defeated the Mexican army and potentially threatened the balance of Mexican territory. The US, under these terms, gave Mexico an offer it could not refuse: “take this money and sign a treaty, or we will take that money, plus a little more, and destroy your country. You decide.”

    You are right, in that I don’t care for the low-grade anti-Muslimism I see either, where it’s just somehow ok to attack and kill Arabs or Persians.

    I don’t see why Palestinians can’t be repatriated. Many Jews moved from elsewhere in the middle east to go to Israel. Jordan, Egypt and Syria were all willing to go to war with Israel over dirt, but they are unwilling to provide space for their fellow Muslims? Ridiculous.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethnostate along the same lines as Israel’s Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have it’s ethnostate trappings as well.

    I have a tentative optimism that America can strike this balance under Trump.

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    map: "... to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established..."
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you're off to a bad start.

    map: "Palestinian land...was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life."
    Israel's days as a "Jewish state" are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That's life.

    STATE OF TERROR: HOW TERRORISM CREATED MODERN ISRAEL
    by Thomas Suarez

    “The book is the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement " Prof. Ilan Pappé

    "...working largely from British Government archives...the 1956 war in which Israel, Britain and France attacked Egypt.

    “The...Zionist willingness to use violence against their Jewish opponents; their conviction that all Jews had an obligation to leave their homelands to go to Palestine; their willingness to stir up anti-semitism to encourage such migration; and their attempts to prevent displaced Jews going anywhere other than Palestine.

    "...Israel is not the perpetual victim of Arab violence that it claims to be, but has been the aggressor throughout the history of the conflict.” David Gerald Fincham

    https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Terrorism-Created-Modern/dp/1566560683
    , @Miro23

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethno state along the same lines as Israel’s Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have its ethno state trappings as well.
     
    I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you're supporting Might is Right. Like you say:

    Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.
     
    It's worth remembering that until recent times the world worked this way. Imperial leaders were expected to show virtù and extend the frontiers their Empires, physical or spiritual - Alexander's Greece, Caesar's Rome, Charlemagne's Christian Empire, Mohammed's Islamic Empire, Genghis' Asian Empire, the British Empire (including N.America), the Russian Empire extending to Siberia or the failed German and Japanese Imperial projects of WW2.

    Now things have reversed, and Imperialistic "Might is Right" has a bad name in a world of mutually respectful Democracies.

    The contradiction of Israel, is that it operates "Might is Right" with regard to the Palestinians and its ME neighbours (who would do exactly the same to Israel if they had the chance), but at the source of its power (the United States) it runs a completely opposite policy.

    Since Jews are only 2% of the US population (and Zionists even less) they are obliged to carefully protect and promote their power through ethnic patronage (Jews hiring Jews for top positions) while publicly calling for Diversity, Multiculturalism and general Progressive Counter Culturalism to be applied to Anglo society (their only realistic challenger).

    Hence the hysterical reaction to the unplanned election victory of Donald Trump with his nationalist "America First" talk. The nightmare is that he will awaken ethnic Anglo nationalism and threaten the whole Jewish racial project in the US (and Israel).

    , @joe webb
    map, you did not respond to my request that you tell us what they are.... about Jewish contributions to Western Society.

    I will conclude that you have no argument in that regard.

    You generally make the argument that might is right, and that is a problematic that, while true in general historically, is today untenable, given Big Guns, Big missiles, Big Bombs.

    The UN's Declaration of Human Rights and assorted other laws ruling out Aggressive Wars, is easily dismissed as unrealistic, especially Human Rights.

    However, the Fundamental in all races, countries, societies is this: Theft is the Basic Crime.

    Whether your life or you kid, or your country conquered, it is Theft. Therefore it is a Universal, as much as I generally find Universals to be problematic.

    Therefore, the UN rulings have a generic legitimacy. I often argue, as a race realist, that all races and peoples have a right to their homelands, and that they should stay there.

    However, Whites have pushed out and conquered stone age peoples. That would seem to have been inevitable. If the Chinese had conquered America, there would be no indians around today to complain about genocide, etc.

    So, there is both historical truths and pragmatic considerations given facts on the ground today.
    Nobody suggests that Whites should return land to indians, although some La Raza types claim the American West, and that is good for white awareness....growing. Might is Right continues in realistic terms.

    Israel is a different story. First, it conquered Palestine after the UN declarations, etc, and more importantly, did so only with the backing of European and US powers. Furthermore the Yom Kiippur war would have ended Israel without US 24 -7 resupply.

    Pragmatically, Israel threatens not just a few million Palestinians, but the whole of the Arab and Persian peoples. Its neocon wars have killed several million and there is no end in sight, unless the US and Trump decide otherwise and I doubt that Trump understands his rock-hardplace that he has squeezed himself into.

    So Israel/Jews harm and continue to threaten about 500 million people in the ME. Secondly, Israel threatens Europe and the US. In short, Israel is the operative factor in a world war 3 type conflagration.

    Jews, like Madame Albright back in the Iraq Sanctions time, think "it is worth it". So a handful of jews can threatened millions , if not a billion or so people.

    Jews are Absolute Enemy to Mankind. They should be relieved of their nukes, and compelled to desist from their imperialism.... Euphrates to the Nile, and all of that. They need their ghetto; that is where they have been for centuries. Where? Mars....the planet of War.

    Unfortunately, too many Christians love the Jews, and a portion thereof , love them because they seek End Times, the Rapture, etc. (Whites can be as crazy as the Jews)

    This is a pragmatic argument that I make, based on changed conditions of modern times..

    But Jews will never change, therefore somebody has to go, somewhere desert-like...Texas, Australia out back? etc.

    Joe Webb

  73. Skeptikal says:
    @joe webb
    Furthermore, as a biology/evolution guy, without God, but agnostic, I am convinced that the Desert religions of muzzies and jews are deeply embedded in their genes. Joseph Campbell, the mythologist, notes this stuff as I recall. Campbell, an anti-semite by the way, did not talk about evolution as I recall, but he might just as well have done so, what with his Desert vs. Agriculture typology.

    The Far East is more about vegetation/organicism/farming and consequently has produced religions that are more passive and pacific. (Their collectivism is part of this as well)

    Then there is the Pastoralism of the Semites. This raising of animals and living on them, sharpens awareness of inherited characteristics in breeding animals. This is a likely stimulus: to become aware of breeding in humans as well, not that our own tradition was unaware of it. Blood has always been the basis of aristocratic claims.

    There is a sexual component to this that cannot be overlooked. Agriculturists were ignorant of plant eugenic breeding , at least in large part. The sex connection in Judaism is large, especially in Cabbalah, and Zohar. Some of it is comical, but always an obsession. Not all of it was wild and crazy sex, which our later jews haver adopted, like Nobbe Brown's "polymorphous perversity" and the gurus of the sexual revolution, like Marcuse and Reich and later, the bathhouse-died homosexual whats his name, but most of the cabbalah sex was very weird.

    Animals mean sex compared to agriculture which means hard work.

    Some early zionists commonly called for the jews to become normal by manual hard work, agriculture, etc. That never really took hold in Israel but it is part of the ideology.

    Muzzies commit all these sex crimes in Europe, etc. Jews are smarter than that, but for decades i have observed Jews hustle the gals in ways that are far more aggressive than the worst of whites.

    Then there is the New York school of Jewish fiction writers...all obsessed with sex. Phillip Roth is supposed to be the guy who whistle-blew on jews in this regard, with his novels that outed the jews....I dunno. Roth seemed to relish his sex stuff. Then there is Psychoanalysis...the Absurdity of All Time in Jewish Contributions to Western Civilization.

    Of course, now Israel is headed back to Orthodoxy and the primeval Jewish Spirit. The Jihadism of the muzzies is matched by the likudnik Orthodoxy. Only jews got big guns and muzzies do not. Terrorism is the weapon of the militarily weak. Jews use normal warfare, especially US proxies in their Jewish Wars. They don't have to be Terrorists. They got the Big Guns, and of course, the Bomb....the Ultimate Terror Weapon. And they will use it.

    If you have big guns or big bombs , you use them every day to concentrate the brains of your enemies. However, Jews will be the first to actually use the Bomb, or get the goyim to use it for them.

    Who's the Terrorist? All of these wars are for Israel. Trump appears to be totally judaized.
    Joe Webb

    “Agriculturists were ignorant of plant eugenic breeding , at least in large part”

    So who developed wheat, millet, barley, corn, potatoes, etc. from wild strains?

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  74. RobinG says:
    @map
    I will answer your first question by responding that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East and Israel is, therefore, their home. It is where they belong.

    But to address the rest of your point, let's establish a framework.

    The initial Zionist project was about convincing as many Jews as possible to support it. The historical Israel was the easiest argument to make, by hook or by crook, to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established, the bulk of the project was convincing the British Empire to at least tacitly support Zionist project. Once that was underway, a large scale movement of people to the area began.

    The Arabs, seeing this invasion as a threat, rightfully attacked the invaders, as any biological organism would when confronted by an invading enemy. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The invader was then able to consolidate their holdings over time, even when facing subsequent, organized attacks from the Arabs. None of those Arab-Israeli wars successfully dislodged Israel. When open warfare could not work, terrorism and various forms of subterfuge and underground warfare was employed. This also failed to make a very large dent in Israel's existence and territorial expansion, culminating in the situation that we have today.

    What is the single motivating factor for all of these events? That Israel is an invader and that it has no reason to exist. The Arabs are entitled to think this way about it if they like, but the Israelis obviously have a difference of opinion and they are willing to back that difference of opinion with force. This idea forms the basis of every ME conflict since 1947.

    Now we fast forward to the present and an altogether different argument is used. Now it's about dealing with the poor Palestinian refugees, how they desperately want a homeland of their own, either bordering Israel or within Israel itself. Israel must do whatever it can to facilitate this need if any lasting peace is to be had. Yet, why would anyone expect that this new motivation somehow supersedes the old one, of believing that Israel is an invader that has no right to exist? We're told that this is the case, but there is no reason to believe it.

    Consider an analogous example, that of gun control. Why do leftists want to desperately get rid of all guns? What really motivates them? They want to get rid of guns because they want to do bad things to you that they could otherwise not do if you are heavily armed. The entire gun control industry is a hive of lies, filled with bogus statistics, wrong predictions, and parades of horribles that never emerge. They've been losing badly. Now, they change their tactics. They are concerned about guns as a "public health" problem. They worry about "dangerous" people getting guns. They want to make sure the mentally ill, the unstable, and the divorced don't have access to firearms. You know, to save the children. It all sounds eminently reasonable...until you understand the whole history of the gun control movement and its sinister motivations. With that understanding, there could be a school shooting every day and I would not consider any gun control measure Leftists support to be reasonable. I know where that will lead.

    Asking Israel to submit their nation to this experimentation under the hope that it will work out, when history indicates otherwise, is like submitting to left-wing gun control measures under the hope that Leftists will stick only to their stated objectives. It is stupid and foolish. Asking Israel to commit suicide under the belief that it is not really suicide goes against history and common sense. They are not going to buy it.

    Going back to your article, there a few things to understand. Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That's life. Furthermore, no money is owed to these people. If America "bought" Texas from Mexico, then it was only after the US soundly defeated the Mexican army and potentially threatened the balance of Mexican territory. The US, under these terms, gave Mexico an offer it could not refuse: "take this money and sign a treaty, or we will take that money, plus a little more, and destroy your country. You decide."

    You are right, in that I don't care for the low-grade anti-Muslimism I see either, where it's just somehow ok to attack and kill Arabs or Persians.

    I don't see why Palestinians can't be repatriated. Many Jews moved from elsewhere in the middle east to go to Israel. Jordan, Egypt and Syria were all willing to go to war with Israel over dirt, but they are unwilling to provide space for their fellow Muslims? Ridiculous.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethnostate along the same lines as Israel's Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have it's ethnostate trappings as well.

    I have a tentative optimism that America can strike this balance under Trump.

    map: “… to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established…”
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you’re off to a bad start.

    map: “Palestinian land…was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.”
    Israel’s days as a “Jewish state” are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That’s life.

    STATE OF TERROR: HOW TERRORISM CREATED MODERN ISRAEL
    by Thomas Suarez

    “The book is the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement ” Prof. Ilan Pappé

    “…working largely from British Government archives…the 1956 war in which Israel, Britain and France attacked Egypt.

    “The…Zionist willingness to use violence against their Jewish opponents; their conviction that all Jews had an obligation to leave their homelands to go to Palestine; their willingness to stir up anti-semitism to encourage such migration; and their attempts to prevent displaced Jews going anywhere other than Palestine.

    “…Israel is not the perpetual victim of Arab violence that it claims to be, but has been the aggressor throughout the history of the conflict.” David Gerald Fincham

    https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Terrorism-Created-Modern/dp/1566560683

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    "map: “Palestinian land…was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.”
    Israel’s days as a “Jewish state” are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That’s life."

    Well, I am not being glib here. If Israel ends up losing on the business end of a war, well, that is just what happens. I wasn't trying to minimize anything.

    "map: “… to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established…”
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you’re off to a bad start."

    Most Jews today seem genuinely supportive of Israel.

    As for the Amazon book, I don't doubt that Israel's existence is fraught with all kinds of horrible and evil things that they've done. The difference is, that we are witnessing the birth and aftermath consequences of a relatively new nation that did not spring organically from a long-settled people. I would not be surprised if Israel's existence tracks closely the way the American colonists fought the Indians for territory. That's bound to look ugly...but it still holds precedent.

    I am sure that we are subject to much propaganda about Israel's victimhood...but what does Fincham propose as a solution?
  75. Miro23 says:
    @map
    I will answer your first question by responding that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East and Israel is, therefore, their home. It is where they belong.

    But to address the rest of your point, let's establish a framework.

    The initial Zionist project was about convincing as many Jews as possible to support it. The historical Israel was the easiest argument to make, by hook or by crook, to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established, the bulk of the project was convincing the British Empire to at least tacitly support Zionist project. Once that was underway, a large scale movement of people to the area began.

    The Arabs, seeing this invasion as a threat, rightfully attacked the invaders, as any biological organism would when confronted by an invading enemy. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The invader was then able to consolidate their holdings over time, even when facing subsequent, organized attacks from the Arabs. None of those Arab-Israeli wars successfully dislodged Israel. When open warfare could not work, terrorism and various forms of subterfuge and underground warfare was employed. This also failed to make a very large dent in Israel's existence and territorial expansion, culminating in the situation that we have today.

    What is the single motivating factor for all of these events? That Israel is an invader and that it has no reason to exist. The Arabs are entitled to think this way about it if they like, but the Israelis obviously have a difference of opinion and they are willing to back that difference of opinion with force. This idea forms the basis of every ME conflict since 1947.

    Now we fast forward to the present and an altogether different argument is used. Now it's about dealing with the poor Palestinian refugees, how they desperately want a homeland of their own, either bordering Israel or within Israel itself. Israel must do whatever it can to facilitate this need if any lasting peace is to be had. Yet, why would anyone expect that this new motivation somehow supersedes the old one, of believing that Israel is an invader that has no right to exist? We're told that this is the case, but there is no reason to believe it.

    Consider an analogous example, that of gun control. Why do leftists want to desperately get rid of all guns? What really motivates them? They want to get rid of guns because they want to do bad things to you that they could otherwise not do if you are heavily armed. The entire gun control industry is a hive of lies, filled with bogus statistics, wrong predictions, and parades of horribles that never emerge. They've been losing badly. Now, they change their tactics. They are concerned about guns as a "public health" problem. They worry about "dangerous" people getting guns. They want to make sure the mentally ill, the unstable, and the divorced don't have access to firearms. You know, to save the children. It all sounds eminently reasonable...until you understand the whole history of the gun control movement and its sinister motivations. With that understanding, there could be a school shooting every day and I would not consider any gun control measure Leftists support to be reasonable. I know where that will lead.

    Asking Israel to submit their nation to this experimentation under the hope that it will work out, when history indicates otherwise, is like submitting to left-wing gun control measures under the hope that Leftists will stick only to their stated objectives. It is stupid and foolish. Asking Israel to commit suicide under the belief that it is not really suicide goes against history and common sense. They are not going to buy it.

    Going back to your article, there a few things to understand. Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That's life. Furthermore, no money is owed to these people. If America "bought" Texas from Mexico, then it was only after the US soundly defeated the Mexican army and potentially threatened the balance of Mexican territory. The US, under these terms, gave Mexico an offer it could not refuse: "take this money and sign a treaty, or we will take that money, plus a little more, and destroy your country. You decide."

    You are right, in that I don't care for the low-grade anti-Muslimism I see either, where it's just somehow ok to attack and kill Arabs or Persians.

    I don't see why Palestinians can't be repatriated. Many Jews moved from elsewhere in the middle east to go to Israel. Jordan, Egypt and Syria were all willing to go to war with Israel over dirt, but they are unwilling to provide space for their fellow Muslims? Ridiculous.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethnostate along the same lines as Israel's Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have it's ethnostate trappings as well.

    I have a tentative optimism that America can strike this balance under Trump.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethno state along the same lines as Israel’s Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have its ethno state trappings as well.

    I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you’re supporting Might is Right. Like you say:

    Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.

    It’s worth remembering that until recent times the world worked this way. Imperial leaders were expected to show virtù and extend the frontiers their Empires, physical or spiritual – Alexander’s Greece, Caesar’s Rome, Charlemagne’s Christian Empire, Mohammed’s Islamic Empire, Genghis’ Asian Empire, the British Empire (including N.America), the Russian Empire extending to Siberia or the failed German and Japanese Imperial projects of WW2.

    Now things have reversed, and Imperialistic “Might is Right” has a bad name in a world of mutually respectful Democracies.

    The contradiction of Israel, is that it operates “Might is Right” with regard to the Palestinians and its ME neighbours (who would do exactly the same to Israel if they had the chance), but at the source of its power (the United States) it runs a completely opposite policy.

    Since Jews are only 2% of the US population (and Zionists even less) they are obliged to carefully protect and promote their power through ethnic patronage (Jews hiring Jews for top positions) while publicly calling for Diversity, Multiculturalism and general Progressive Counter Culturalism to be applied to Anglo society (their only realistic challenger).

    Hence the hysterical reaction to the unplanned election victory of Donald Trump with his nationalist “America First” talk. The nightmare is that he will awaken ethnic Anglo nationalism and threaten the whole Jewish racial project in the US (and Israel).

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    “I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you’re supporting Might is Right. Like you say.”

    I am not advocating might makes right. I am pointing out something else.

    Every nation that exists today had someone else living in the territory…if you go back far enough. If you want to expect peace among the international order as it exists today, then you have to except the territorial claims of those existing nations. This will, necessarily, include Israel. Revanchist claims by various groups, be they Palestinians, La Raza or Basque Separatists, cannot be the way existing nations deal with each other.

    I am well aware of the Jewish Leftist project of allowing Israel to do things that the US cannot. That is why it is important to support Israeli nationalism and use it as example for the US to follow to negate Jewish leftism. The first step is not abiding by ridiculous US resolutions that demand that Israel commit suicide.
  76. joe webb says:
    @map
    I will answer your first question by responding that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East and Israel is, therefore, their home. It is where they belong.

    But to address the rest of your point, let's establish a framework.

    The initial Zionist project was about convincing as many Jews as possible to support it. The historical Israel was the easiest argument to make, by hook or by crook, to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established, the bulk of the project was convincing the British Empire to at least tacitly support Zionist project. Once that was underway, a large scale movement of people to the area began.

    The Arabs, seeing this invasion as a threat, rightfully attacked the invaders, as any biological organism would when confronted by an invading enemy. Unfortunately for them, they lost. The invader was then able to consolidate their holdings over time, even when facing subsequent, organized attacks from the Arabs. None of those Arab-Israeli wars successfully dislodged Israel. When open warfare could not work, terrorism and various forms of subterfuge and underground warfare was employed. This also failed to make a very large dent in Israel's existence and territorial expansion, culminating in the situation that we have today.

    What is the single motivating factor for all of these events? That Israel is an invader and that it has no reason to exist. The Arabs are entitled to think this way about it if they like, but the Israelis obviously have a difference of opinion and they are willing to back that difference of opinion with force. This idea forms the basis of every ME conflict since 1947.

    Now we fast forward to the present and an altogether different argument is used. Now it's about dealing with the poor Palestinian refugees, how they desperately want a homeland of their own, either bordering Israel or within Israel itself. Israel must do whatever it can to facilitate this need if any lasting peace is to be had. Yet, why would anyone expect that this new motivation somehow supersedes the old one, of believing that Israel is an invader that has no right to exist? We're told that this is the case, but there is no reason to believe it.

    Consider an analogous example, that of gun control. Why do leftists want to desperately get rid of all guns? What really motivates them? They want to get rid of guns because they want to do bad things to you that they could otherwise not do if you are heavily armed. The entire gun control industry is a hive of lies, filled with bogus statistics, wrong predictions, and parades of horribles that never emerge. They've been losing badly. Now, they change their tactics. They are concerned about guns as a "public health" problem. They worry about "dangerous" people getting guns. They want to make sure the mentally ill, the unstable, and the divorced don't have access to firearms. You know, to save the children. It all sounds eminently reasonable...until you understand the whole history of the gun control movement and its sinister motivations. With that understanding, there could be a school shooting every day and I would not consider any gun control measure Leftists support to be reasonable. I know where that will lead.

    Asking Israel to submit their nation to this experimentation under the hope that it will work out, when history indicates otherwise, is like submitting to left-wing gun control measures under the hope that Leftists will stick only to their stated objectives. It is stupid and foolish. Asking Israel to commit suicide under the belief that it is not really suicide goes against history and common sense. They are not going to buy it.

    Going back to your article, there a few things to understand. Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That's life. Furthermore, no money is owed to these people. If America "bought" Texas from Mexico, then it was only after the US soundly defeated the Mexican army and potentially threatened the balance of Mexican territory. The US, under these terms, gave Mexico an offer it could not refuse: "take this money and sign a treaty, or we will take that money, plus a little more, and destroy your country. You decide."

    You are right, in that I don't care for the low-grade anti-Muslimism I see either, where it's just somehow ok to attack and kill Arabs or Persians.

    I don't see why Palestinians can't be repatriated. Many Jews moved from elsewhere in the middle east to go to Israel. Jordan, Egypt and Syria were all willing to go to war with Israel over dirt, but they are unwilling to provide space for their fellow Muslims? Ridiculous.

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethnostate along the same lines as Israel's Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have it's ethnostate trappings as well.

    I have a tentative optimism that America can strike this balance under Trump.

    map, you did not respond to my request that you tell us what they are…. about Jewish contributions to Western Society.

    I will conclude that you have no argument in that regard.

    You generally make the argument that might is right, and that is a problematic that, while true in general historically, is today untenable, given Big Guns, Big missiles, Big Bombs.

    The UN’s Declaration of Human Rights and assorted other laws ruling out Aggressive Wars, is easily dismissed as unrealistic, especially Human Rights.

    However, the Fundamental in all races, countries, societies is this: Theft is the Basic Crime.

    Whether your life or you kid, or your country conquered, it is Theft. Therefore it is a Universal, as much as I generally find Universals to be problematic.

    Therefore, the UN rulings have a generic legitimacy. I often argue, as a race realist, that all races and peoples have a right to their homelands, and that they should stay there.

    However, Whites have pushed out and conquered stone age peoples. That would seem to have been inevitable. If the Chinese had conquered America, there would be no indians around today to complain about genocide, etc.

    So, there is both historical truths and pragmatic considerations given facts on the ground today.
    Nobody suggests that Whites should return land to indians, although some La Raza types claim the American West, and that is good for white awareness….growing. Might is Right continues in realistic terms.

    Israel is a different story. First, it conquered Palestine after the UN declarations, etc, and more importantly, did so only with the backing of European and US powers. Furthermore the Yom Kiippur war would have ended Israel without US 24 -7 resupply.

    Pragmatically, Israel threatens not just a few million Palestinians, but the whole of the Arab and Persian peoples. Its neocon wars have killed several million and there is no end in sight, unless the US and Trump decide otherwise and I doubt that Trump understands his rock-hardplace that he has squeezed himself into.

    So Israel/Jews harm and continue to threaten about 500 million people in the ME. Secondly, Israel threatens Europe and the US. In short, Israel is the operative factor in a world war 3 type conflagration.

    Jews, like Madame Albright back in the Iraq Sanctions time, think “it is worth it”. So a handful of jews can threatened millions , if not a billion or so people.

    Jews are Absolute Enemy to Mankind. They should be relieved of their nukes, and compelled to desist from their imperialism…. Euphrates to the Nile, and all of that. They need their ghetto; that is where they have been for centuries. Where? Mars….the planet of War.

    Unfortunately, too many Christians love the Jews, and a portion thereof , love them because they seek End Times, the Rapture, etc. (Whites can be as crazy as the Jews)

    This is a pragmatic argument that I make, based on changed conditions of modern times..

    But Jews will never change, therefore somebody has to go, somewhere desert-like…Texas, Australia out back? etc.

    Joe Webb

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    I think you are asking the Jewish contributions question of someone else.
  77. @John Gruskos
    If the coup forces President Trump to abandon his America First campaign promises by appointing globalists eager to invade-the-world/invite-the-world, then the coup is a success and the Trump campaign was a failure.

    Perhaps that is the plan. To pressure Trump into making some bad decisions. Kind of like a savvy NFL defensive coordinator blitzing a highly competitive but emotionally arrogant quarterback into some game changing mistakes.

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  78. map says:
    @RobinG
    map: "... to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established..."
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you're off to a bad start.

    map: "Palestinian land...was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life."
    Israel's days as a "Jewish state" are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That's life.

    STATE OF TERROR: HOW TERRORISM CREATED MODERN ISRAEL
    by Thomas Suarez

    “The book is the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement " Prof. Ilan Pappé

    "...working largely from British Government archives...the 1956 war in which Israel, Britain and France attacked Egypt.

    “The...Zionist willingness to use violence against their Jewish opponents; their conviction that all Jews had an obligation to leave their homelands to go to Palestine; their willingness to stir up anti-semitism to encourage such migration; and their attempts to prevent displaced Jews going anywhere other than Palestine.

    "...Israel is not the perpetual victim of Arab violence that it claims to be, but has been the aggressor throughout the history of the conflict.” David Gerald Fincham

    https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Terrorism-Created-Modern/dp/1566560683

    “map: “Palestinian land…was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.”
    Israel’s days as a “Jewish state” are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That’s life.”

    Well, I am not being glib here. If Israel ends up losing on the business end of a war, well, that is just what happens. I wasn’t trying to minimize anything.

    “map: “… to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established…”
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you’re off to a bad start.”

    Most Jews today seem genuinely supportive of Israel.

    As for the Amazon book, I don’t doubt that Israel’s existence is fraught with all kinds of horrible and evil things that they’ve done. The difference is, that we are witnessing the birth and aftermath consequences of a relatively new nation that did not spring organically from a long-settled people. I would not be surprised if Israel’s existence tracks closely the way the American colonists fought the Indians for territory. That’s bound to look ugly…but it still holds precedent.

    I am sure that we are subject to much propaganda about Israel’s victimhood…but what does Fincham propose as a solution?

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    "I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you’re supporting Might is Right. Like you say."

    I am not advocating might makes right. I am pointing out something else.

    Every nation that exists today had someone else living in the territory...if you go back far enough. If you want to expect peace among the international order as it exists today, then you have to except the territorial claims of those existing nations. This will, necessarily, include Israel. Revanchist claims by various groups, be they Palestinians, La Raza or Basque Separatists, cannot be the way existing nations deal with each other.

    I am well aware of the Jewish Leftist project of allowing Israel to do things that the US cannot. That is why it is important to support Israeli nationalism and use it as example for the US to follow to negate Jewish leftism. The first step is not abiding by ridiculous US resolutions that demand that Israel commit suicide.
  79. Skeptikal says:

    “I would not be surprised if Israel’s existence tracks closely the way the American colonists fought the Indians for territory.”

    This is an obvious analogy, one that has been made, yet few like to accept this.
    But the American conquest of the continent was not done under the eyes of the whole world.
    And, it was a different world back then.
    Is the contemporary world prepared to watch Israel carry out the same genocidal program as the American colonists? Labeling the Israelis, correctly IMO, as colonists is a good step.
    I think maybe the world is trying to figure out what the answer here is.
    Meanwhile, the Israelis can always point to the colonial American precedent, but that kind of lets the cat out of the bag . . . Especially when done by a people who want to play the eternal victim card. I know I am not saying anything new, but . . .

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    I have had this same discussion before, on similar threads as this one.

    One can make the argument that the "eastward" expansion of the Greater Israel Project into Palestine "mimics" the "westward" expansion of the early American colonialists during the "manifest destiny" epoch of the United States.

    We see it....we understand it....it is not an unfair comparison.....up to a point.

    There is , however, a profound distinction between the two which nobody either understands, wishes to discuss, or is willing to admit.

    Let me take your imagination, for a moment, back in time to (lets say) the 'Cro-Magnon" era ....and there is an instance when a Cro-Magnon man grabs a club and beats a Neanderthal to death. Whereas "we" might view this as an act "murder" today, at the time that it occurred it could not be perceived as such, because no such notion of murder had yet existed .

    When the American settlers expanded westward over North America two centuries ago...it was not a supreme international crime to do so.......it was not even a "crime" at all.

    There were no international treatises that defined the behavior of men in this fashion, it was , more or less, a free for all.

    However one might view the conflict between the Native Americans and the European colonialists as they moved westward, one can only fairly admit it was a terrible tragedy for the Indians, one cannot admit it was a "crime"....because no such crime had yet existed or was yet defined.

    Do you understand this ?

    The "eastward" expansion of the Israeli settlers into Palestine, today, occurs "after" WWII, where the entire civilized world has recognized and "defined" the acquisition of territory through force (and war) as a "supreme" international crime.

    Most ironically (for Israel) this international law functioned as a complete repudiation of Nazi "lebensraum" and the Nazi desire desire to use its superior military to seize the property and territories of others through the tools of war and conquest.

    The universal recognition of the horror of the Holocaust is predicated on the understanding that Jews were "ethnically cleansed from Germany"...that all their land and property were "seized" by Hitler....and that its not ....Okay.

    If its not okay to have happened to the Jews during the reign of the Third Reich,and the Holocaust era.. how can it be "okay" to be happening to the Palestinians today ?

    How can it "possibly" be okay ?

    Do you see this ?

    If you wish to make the argument....understand the concrete premise from which it springs.

  80. alexander says:
    @Skeptikal
    "I would not be surprised if Israel’s existence tracks closely the way the American colonists fought the Indians for territory."

    This is an obvious analogy, one that has been made, yet few like to accept this.
    But the American conquest of the continent was not done under the eyes of the whole world.
    And, it was a different world back then.
    Is the contemporary world prepared to watch Israel carry out the same genocidal program as the American colonists? Labeling the Israelis, correctly IMO, as colonists is a good step.
    I think maybe the world is trying to figure out what the answer here is.
    Meanwhile, the Israelis can always point to the colonial American precedent, but that kind of lets the cat out of the bag . . . Especially when done by a people who want to play the eternal victim card. I know I am not saying anything new, but . . .

    I have had this same discussion before, on similar threads as this one.

    One can make the argument that the “eastward” expansion of the Greater Israel Project into Palestine “mimics” the “westward” expansion of the early American colonialists during the “manifest destiny” epoch of the United States.

    We see it….we understand it….it is not an unfair comparison…..up to a point.

    There is , however, a profound distinction between the two which nobody either understands, wishes to discuss, or is willing to admit.

    Let me take your imagination, for a moment, back in time to (lets say) the ‘Cro-Magnon” era ….and there is an instance when a Cro-Magnon man grabs a club and beats a Neanderthal to death. Whereas “we” might view this as an act “murder” today, at the time that it occurred it could not be perceived as such, because no such notion of murder had yet existed .

    When the American settlers expanded westward over North America two centuries ago…it was not a supreme international crime to do so…….it was not even a “crime” at all.

    There were no international treatises that defined the behavior of men in this fashion, it was , more or less, a free for all.

    However one might view the conflict between the Native Americans and the European colonialists as they moved westward, one can only fairly admit it was a terrible tragedy for the Indians, one cannot admit it was a “crime”….because no such crime had yet existed or was yet defined.

    Do you understand this ?

    The “eastward” expansion of the Israeli settlers into Palestine, today, occurs “after” WWII, where the entire civilized world has recognized and “defined” the acquisition of territory through force (and war) as a “supreme” international crime.

    Most ironically (for Israel) this international law functioned as a complete repudiation of Nazi “lebensraum” and the Nazi desire desire to use its superior military to seize the property and territories of others through the tools of war and conquest.

    The universal recognition of the horror of the Holocaust is predicated on the understanding that Jews were “ethnically cleansed from Germany”…that all their land and property were “seized” by Hitler….and that its not ….Okay.

    If its not okay to have happened to the Jews during the reign of the Third Reich,and the Holocaust era.. how can it be “okay” to be happening to the Palestinians today ?

    How can it “possibly” be okay ?

    Do you see this ?

    If you wish to make the argument….understand the concrete premise from which it springs.

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  81. map says:
    @map
    "map: “Palestinian land…was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.”
    Israel’s days as a “Jewish state” are numbered. Current EDT 2021. That’s life."

    Well, I am not being glib here. If Israel ends up losing on the business end of a war, well, that is just what happens. I wasn't trying to minimize anything.

    "map: “… to get the bulk of Jews to back the project. Once that was established…”
    But THE BULK OF JEWS DID NOT BACK THE PROJECT, so you’re off to a bad start."

    Most Jews today seem genuinely supportive of Israel.

    As for the Amazon book, I don't doubt that Israel's existence is fraught with all kinds of horrible and evil things that they've done. The difference is, that we are witnessing the birth and aftermath consequences of a relatively new nation that did not spring organically from a long-settled people. I would not be surprised if Israel's existence tracks closely the way the American colonists fought the Indians for territory. That's bound to look ugly...but it still holds precedent.

    I am sure that we are subject to much propaganda about Israel's victimhood...but what does Fincham propose as a solution?

    “I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you’re supporting Might is Right. Like you say.”

    I am not advocating might makes right. I am pointing out something else.

    Every nation that exists today had someone else living in the territory…if you go back far enough. If you want to expect peace among the international order as it exists today, then you have to except the territorial claims of those existing nations. This will, necessarily, include Israel. Revanchist claims by various groups, be they Palestinians, La Raza or Basque Separatists, cannot be the way existing nations deal with each other.

    I am well aware of the Jewish Leftist project of allowing Israel to do things that the US cannot. That is why it is important to support Israeli nationalism and use it as example for the US to follow to negate Jewish leftism. The first step is not abiding by ridiculous US resolutions that demand that Israel commit suicide.

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  82. Skeptikal says:

    I have no idea what Alexander’s problem is with my post.

    ALEX: “One can make the argument that the “eastward” expansion of the Greater Israel Project into Palestine “mimics” the “westward” expansion of the early American colonialists during the “manifest destiny” epoch of the United States.”

    I didn’t make the “mimicking” argument.

    ALEX: “If its not okay to have happened to the Jews during the reign of the Third Reich,and the Holocaust era.. how can it be “okay” to be happening to the Palestinians today ?
    How can it “possibly” be okay ?
    “Do you see this ?”
    “Do you understand this?”

    Don’t be ridiculous. You sound like a moron or a broken record.
    What are you arguing about? You seem to agree with me.
    Do you see this?
    Did you read my post?
    Do you understand it?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
    Obviously not!
    End of ridiculous discussion.

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    I do agree with the argument you made,

    but it floundered because it was unable to justify itself.

    I attempted to underpin your argument with historical facts, and lend some clarity as to why an opinion such as yours "is" justified.

    If you re-read your post,you will understand why I interjected.

    People are entitled to voice their opinions on any topic.....but the resonance of their arguments is best abetted with a solid footing in historical fact...not just good sentiment.

    I never meant to offend you for your comment....just augment it with the facts of international law .....and why they came into existence in the first place.

  83. map says:
    @Miro23

    Now, Israel is a foreign country and I care more about my country than I do about it. Israel can only have that which it has if the US can have it as well. I want America to have the Wall that Israel has, as well as a heavily armed population, the power to decide who can or cannot live here, and a white, European ethno state along the same lines as Israel’s Jewish state, as well as the traditional Burkean rights and freedoms white Americans have become accustomed to. If America has these things unconditionally, then Israel can have its ethno state trappings as well.
     
    I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you're supporting Might is Right. Like you say:

    Palestinian land is not stolen. It was conquered. An attempt was made to remove the Jewish invaders and it failed. That’s life.
     
    It's worth remembering that until recent times the world worked this way. Imperial leaders were expected to show virtù and extend the frontiers their Empires, physical or spiritual - Alexander's Greece, Caesar's Rome, Charlemagne's Christian Empire, Mohammed's Islamic Empire, Genghis' Asian Empire, the British Empire (including N.America), the Russian Empire extending to Siberia or the failed German and Japanese Imperial projects of WW2.

    Now things have reversed, and Imperialistic "Might is Right" has a bad name in a world of mutually respectful Democracies.

    The contradiction of Israel, is that it operates "Might is Right" with regard to the Palestinians and its ME neighbours (who would do exactly the same to Israel if they had the chance), but at the source of its power (the United States) it runs a completely opposite policy.

    Since Jews are only 2% of the US population (and Zionists even less) they are obliged to carefully protect and promote their power through ethnic patronage (Jews hiring Jews for top positions) while publicly calling for Diversity, Multiculturalism and general Progressive Counter Culturalism to be applied to Anglo society (their only realistic challenger).

    Hence the hysterical reaction to the unplanned election victory of Donald Trump with his nationalist "America First" talk. The nightmare is that he will awaken ethnic Anglo nationalism and threaten the whole Jewish racial project in the US (and Israel).

    “I understand this, but you need to make it clear that you’re supporting Might is Right. Like you say.”

    I am not advocating might makes right. I am pointing out something else.

    Every nation that exists today had someone else living in the territory…if you go back far enough. If you want to expect peace among the international order as it exists today, then you have to except the territorial claims of those existing nations. This will, necessarily, include Israel. Revanchist claims by various groups, be they Palestinians, La Raza or Basque Separatists, cannot be the way existing nations deal with each other.

    I am well aware of the Jewish Leftist project of allowing Israel to do things that the US cannot. That is why it is important to support Israeli nationalism and use it as example for the US to follow to negate Jewish leftism. The first step is not abiding by ridiculous US resolutions that demand that Israel commit suicide.

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  84. alexander says:
    @Skeptikal
    I have no idea what Alexander's problem is with my post.

    ALEX: "One can make the argument that the “eastward” expansion of the Greater Israel Project into Palestine “mimics” the “westward” expansion of the early American colonialists during the “manifest destiny” epoch of the United States."

    I didn't make the "mimicking" argument.

    ALEX: "If its not okay to have happened to the Jews during the reign of the Third Reich,and the Holocaust era.. how can it be “okay” to be happening to the Palestinians today ?
    How can it “possibly” be okay ?
    "Do you see this ?"
    "Do you understand this?"

    Don't be ridiculous. You sound like a moron or a broken record.
    What are you arguing about? You seem to agree with me.
    Do you see this?
    Did you read my post?
    Do you understand it?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
    Obviously not!
    End of ridiculous discussion.

    I do agree with the argument you made,

    but it floundered because it was unable to justify itself.

    I attempted to underpin your argument with historical facts, and lend some clarity as to why an opinion such as yours “is” justified.

    If you re-read your post,you will understand why I interjected.

    People are entitled to voice their opinions on any topic…..but the resonance of their arguments is best abetted with a solid footing in historical fact…not just good sentiment.

    I never meant to offend you for your comment….just augment it with the facts of international law …..and why they came into existence in the first place.

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    I wonder whether you realize how incredibly pedantic you sound.
    With your insulting "Do you understand?" and "Do you see?"
    WTF?
    Who do you think you are "instructing" me what I intend to say, and how to do it?
    I made a couple of general observations.
    I did not present an argument.
    Therefore my post did not require any underpinning or "augmentation" in international law.
    Your tone is offensive. Find someone else to talk down to.
  85. Skeptikal says:
    @alexander
    I do agree with the argument you made,

    but it floundered because it was unable to justify itself.

    I attempted to underpin your argument with historical facts, and lend some clarity as to why an opinion such as yours "is" justified.

    If you re-read your post,you will understand why I interjected.

    People are entitled to voice their opinions on any topic.....but the resonance of their arguments is best abetted with a solid footing in historical fact...not just good sentiment.

    I never meant to offend you for your comment....just augment it with the facts of international law .....and why they came into existence in the first place.

    I wonder whether you realize how incredibly pedantic you sound.
    With your insulting “Do you understand?” and “Do you see?”
    WTF?
    Who do you think you are “instructing” me what I intend to say, and how to do it?
    I made a couple of general observations.
    I did not present an argument.
    Therefore my post did not require any underpinning or “augmentation” in international law.
    Your tone is offensive. Find someone else to talk down to.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Hey,

    Take a chill pill, dude.

    I never meant to "insult" you......I wasn't talking "down to you".....or "instructing you"...Please.

    I was "agreeing" with you....there was no antagonism meant toward you or what you said....None at all.

    I had had the exact same discussions, years ago, and I and my other comment-er took the "premise" and ran with it....we tried to flesh it out...did lots of research..took some time on it.....to find some bearing....some "clarity" on what was the right or the wrong of the thing, and why ?

    "If one asks what ARE the differences between European "westward"expansion into North America, two hundred years ago....and the Israeli settler expansion "eastward" into Palestine today....its nice to know what they are........No ?

    The differences are not readily apparent..... are not so "easy" to understand....and are often obscured.

    I thought you would like to know what we found out.... That's all.


    But since you have taken "offense" at this.....and seem to be stressing that you were merely making a couple of "general observations" .....

    Well......."WTF" for ?

    What was the point of making the observations, if you didn't want to figure it out ?



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  86. map says:
    @joe webb
    map, you did not respond to my request that you tell us what they are.... about Jewish contributions to Western Society.

    I will conclude that you have no argument in that regard.

    You generally make the argument that might is right, and that is a problematic that, while true in general historically, is today untenable, given Big Guns, Big missiles, Big Bombs.

    The UN's Declaration of Human Rights and assorted other laws ruling out Aggressive Wars, is easily dismissed as unrealistic, especially Human Rights.

    However, the Fundamental in all races, countries, societies is this: Theft is the Basic Crime.

    Whether your life or you kid, or your country conquered, it is Theft. Therefore it is a Universal, as much as I generally find Universals to be problematic.

    Therefore, the UN rulings have a generic legitimacy. I often argue, as a race realist, that all races and peoples have a right to their homelands, and that they should stay there.

    However, Whites have pushed out and conquered stone age peoples. That would seem to have been inevitable. If the Chinese had conquered America, there would be no indians around today to complain about genocide, etc.

    So, there is both historical truths and pragmatic considerations given facts on the ground today.
    Nobody suggests that Whites should return land to indians, although some La Raza types claim the American West, and that is good for white awareness....growing. Might is Right continues in realistic terms.

    Israel is a different story. First, it conquered Palestine after the UN declarations, etc, and more importantly, did so only with the backing of European and US powers. Furthermore the Yom Kiippur war would have ended Israel without US 24 -7 resupply.

    Pragmatically, Israel threatens not just a few million Palestinians, but the whole of the Arab and Persian peoples. Its neocon wars have killed several million and there is no end in sight, unless the US and Trump decide otherwise and I doubt that Trump understands his rock-hardplace that he has squeezed himself into.

    So Israel/Jews harm and continue to threaten about 500 million people in the ME. Secondly, Israel threatens Europe and the US. In short, Israel is the operative factor in a world war 3 type conflagration.

    Jews, like Madame Albright back in the Iraq Sanctions time, think "it is worth it". So a handful of jews can threatened millions , if not a billion or so people.

    Jews are Absolute Enemy to Mankind. They should be relieved of their nukes, and compelled to desist from their imperialism.... Euphrates to the Nile, and all of that. They need their ghetto; that is where they have been for centuries. Where? Mars....the planet of War.

    Unfortunately, too many Christians love the Jews, and a portion thereof , love them because they seek End Times, the Rapture, etc. (Whites can be as crazy as the Jews)

    This is a pragmatic argument that I make, based on changed conditions of modern times..

    But Jews will never change, therefore somebody has to go, somewhere desert-like...Texas, Australia out back? etc.

    Joe Webb

    I think you are asking the Jewish contributions question of someone else.

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  87. alexander says:
    @Skeptikal
    I wonder whether you realize how incredibly pedantic you sound.
    With your insulting "Do you understand?" and "Do you see?"
    WTF?
    Who do you think you are "instructing" me what I intend to say, and how to do it?
    I made a couple of general observations.
    I did not present an argument.
    Therefore my post did not require any underpinning or "augmentation" in international law.
    Your tone is offensive. Find someone else to talk down to.

    Hey,

    Take a chill pill, dude.

    I never meant to “insult” you……I wasn’t talking “down to you”…..or “instructing you”…Please.

    I was “agreeing” with you….there was no antagonism meant toward you or what you said….None at all.

    I had had the exact same discussions, years ago, and I and my other comment-er took the “premise” and ran with it….we tried to flesh it out…did lots of research..took some time on it…..to find some bearing….some “clarity” on what was the right or the wrong of the thing, and why ?

    “If one asks what ARE the differences between European “westward”expansion into North America, two hundred years ago….and the Israeli settler expansion “eastward” into Palestine today….its nice to know what they are……..No ?

    The differences are not readily apparent….. are not so “easy” to understand….and are often obscured.

    I thought you would like to know what we found out…. That’s all.

    But since you have taken “offense” at this…..and seem to be stressing that you were merely making a couple of “general observations” …..

    Well…….”WTF” for ?

    What was the point of making the observations, if you didn’t want to figure it out ?

    .

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