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America has the greatest inequalities, highest mortality rate, most regressive taxes, and largest public subsidies for bankers and billionaires of any developed capitalist country.

In this essay we will discuss the socio-economic roots of inequalities and the relation between the concentration of wealth and the downward mobility of the working and salaried classes.

How the Billionaires become Billionaires

One of the most likely sources of billionaire wealth is through tax evasion in all of its guises and forms.

Contrary to the propaganda pushed by the business press, between 67% and 72% percent of corporations had zero tax liabilities after credits and exemptions … while their workers and employees paid between 25 – 30% in taxes. The rate for the minority of corporations, which paid any tax, was 14%.

According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate.

The largest US corporations sheltered over $2.5 trillion dollars in overseas tax havens where they paid no taxes or single digit tax rates.

Meanwhile US corporations in crisis received over $14.4 trillion dollars (Bloomberg claimed 12.8 trillion) in public bailout money, split between the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve, mostly from US tax payers, who are overwhelmingly workers, employees and pensioners.

The recipient bankers invested their interest-free or low interest US bailout funds and earned billions in profits, most resulting from mortgage foreclosures of working class households.

Through favorable legal rulings and illegal foreclosures, the bankers evicted 9.3 million families. Over 20 million individuals lost their properties, often due to illegal or fraudulent debts.

A small number of the financial swindlers, including executives from Wall Street’s leading banks (Goldman Sachs, J. P. Morgan etc), paid fines – but no one went to prison for the gargantuan fraud that drove millions of Americans into misery.

There are other swindler bankers, like the current Secretary of Treasury Steve Mnuchin, who enriched themselves by illegally foreclosing on thousands of homeowners in California. Some were tried; all were exonerated, thanks to the influence of Democratic political leaders during the Obama years.

Silicon Valley and its innovative billionaires have found novel way to avoid taxes using overseas tax havens and domestic tax write-offs. They increase their wealth and corporate profits by paying their local manual and service workers poverty level wages. Silicon Valley executives ‘earn’ a thousand times more than their production workers..

Class inequalities are further reinforced by ethnic divisions. White, Chinese and Indian multi-millionaires exploit Afro-American, Latin American, Vietnamese and Filipino workers.

Billionaires in the commercial conglomerates, like Walmart, exploit workers by paying poverty wages and providing few, if any, benefits. Walmart earns $16 billion dollar a year in profits by paying its workers between $10 and $13 an hour and relying on state and federal assistance to provide services to the families of its impoverished workers through Medicaid and food stamps. Amazon plutocrat Jeff Bezos exploits workers by paying $12.50 an hour while he has accumulated over $80 billion dollars in profits. UPS CEO David Albany takes $11 million a year by exploiting workers at $11 an hour. Federal Express CEO, Fred Smith gets $16 million and pays workers $11 an hour.

Inequality is not a result of ‘technology’ and ‘education’- contemporary euphemisms for the ruling class cult of superiority – as liberals and conservative economists and journalists like to claim. Inequalities are a result of low wages, based on big profits, financial swindles, multi-trillion dollar public handouts and multi-billion-dollar tax evasion. The ruling class has mastered the ‘technology’ of exploiting the state, through its pillage of the treasury, and the working class. Capitalist exploitation of low paid production workers provides additional billions for the ‘philanthropic’ billionaire family foundations to polish their public image – using another tax avoidance gimmick – self-glorifying ‘donations’.

Workers pay disproportional taxes for education, health, social and public services and subsidies for billionaires.

Billionaires in the arms industry and security/mercenary conglomerates receive over $700 billion dollars from the federal budget, while over 100 million US workers lack adequate health care and their children are warehoused in deteriorating schools.

Workers and Bosses: Mortality Rates

Billionaires and multi-millionaires and their families enjoy longer and healthier lives than their workers. They have no need for health insurance policies or public hospitals. CEO’s live on average ten years longer than a worker and enjoy twenty years more of healthy and pain-free lives.

Private, exclusive clinics and top medical care include the most advanced treatment and safe and proven medication which allow billionaires and their family members to live longer and healthier lives. The quality of their medical care and the qualifications of their medical providers present a stark contrast to the health care apartheid that characterizes the rest of the United States.

Workers are treated and mistreated by the health system: They have inadequate and often incompetent medical treatment, cursory examinations by inexperienced medical assistants and end up victims of the widespread over-prescription of highly addictive narcotics and other medications. Over-prescription of narcotics by incompetent ‘providers’ has significantly contributed to the rise in premature deaths among workers, spiraling cases of opiate overdose, disability due to addiction and descent into poverty and homelessness. These irresponsible practices have made additional billions of dollars in profits for the insurance corporate elite, who can cut their pensions and health care liabilities as injured, disabled and addicted workers drop out of the system or die.

The shortened life expectancy for workers and their family members is celebrated on Wall Street and in the financial press. Over 560,000 workers were killed by opioids between 1999-2015 contributing to the decline in life expectancy for working age wage and salary earners and reduced pension liabilities for Wall Street and the Social Security Administration.

Inequalities are cumulative, inter-generational and multi-sectorial.

ORDER IT NOW

Billionaire families, their children and grandchildren, inherit and invest billions. They have privileged access to the most prestigious schools and medical facilities, and conveniently fall in love to equally privileged, well-connected mates to join their fortunes and form even greater financial empires. Their wealth buys favorable, even fawning, mass media coverage and the services of the most influential lawyers and accountants to cover their swindles and tax evasion.

Billionaires hire innovators and sweat shop MBA managers to devise more ways to slash wages, increase productivity and ensure that inequalities widen even further. Billionaires do not have to be the brightest or most innovative people: Such individuals can simply be bought or imported on the ‘free market’ and discarded at will.

Billionaires have bought out or formed joint ventures with each other, creating interlocking directorates. Banks, IT, factories, warehouses, food and appliance, pharmaceuticals and hospitals are linked directly to political elites who slither through doors of rotating appointments within the IMF, the World Bank, Treasury, Wall Street banks and prestigious law firms.

Consequences of Inequalities

First and foremost, billionaires and their political, legal and corporate associates dominate the political parties. They designate the leaders and key appointees, thus ensuring that budgets and policies will increase their profits, erode social benefits for the masses and weaken the political power of popular organizations.

Secondly, the burden of the economic crisis is shifted on to the workers who are fired and later re-hired as part-time, contingent labor. Public bailouts, provided by the taxpayer, are channeled to the billionaires under the doctrine that Wall Street banks are too big to fail and workers are too weak to defend their wages, jobs and living standards.

Billionaires buy political elites, who appoint the World Bank and IMF officials tasked with instituting policies to freeze or reduce wages, slash corporate and public health care obligations and increase profits by privatizing public enterprises and facilitating corporate relocation to low wage, low tax countries.

As a result, wage and salary workers are less organized and less influential; they work longer and for less pay, suffer greater workplace insecurity and injuries – physical and mental – fall into decline and disability, drop out of the system, die earlier and poorer, and, in the process, provide unimaginable profits for the billionaire class. Even their addiction and deaths provide opportunities for huge profit – as the Sackler Family, manufacturers of Oxycontin, can attest.

The billionaires and their political acolytes argue that deeper regressive taxation would increase investments and jobs. The data speaks otherwise. The bulk of repatriated profits are directed to buy back stock to increase dividends for investors; they are not invested in the productive economy. Lower taxes and greater profits for conglomerates means more buy-outs and greater outflows to low wage countries. In real terms taxes are already less than half the headline rate and are a major factor heightening the concentration of income and power – both cause and effect.

Corporate elites, the billionaires in the Silicon Valley-Wall Street global complex are relatively satisfied that their cherished inequalities are guaranteed and expanding under the Demo-Republican Presidents- as the ‘good times’ roll on.

Away from the ‘billionaire elite’, the ‘outsiders’ – domestic capitalists – clamor for greater public investment in infrastructure to expand the domestic economy, lower taxes to increase profits, and state subsidies to increase the training of the labor force while reducing funds for health care and public education. They are oblivious to the contradiction.

In other words, the capitalist class as a whole, globalist and domestic alike, pursues the same regressive policies, promoting inequalities while struggling over shares of the profits.

One hundred and fifty million wage and salaried taxpayers are excluded from the political and social decisions that directly affect their income, employment, rates of taxation, and political representation.

They understand, or at least experience, how the class system works. Most workers know about the injustice of the fake ‘free trade’ agreements and regressive tax regime, which weighs heavy on the majority of wage and salary earners.

However, worker hostility and despair is directed against ‘immigrants’ and against the ‘liberals’ who have backed the import of cheap skilled and semi-skilled labor under the guise of ‘freedom’. This ‘politically correct’ image of imported labor covers up a policy, which has served to lower wages, benefits and living standards for American workers, whether they are in technology, construction or production. Rich conservatives, on the other hand, oppose immigration under the guise of ‘law and order’ and to lower social expenditures – despite that fact that they all use imported nannies, tutors, nurses, doctors and gardeners to service their families. Their servants can always be deported when convenient.

The pro and anti-immigrant issue avoids the root cause for the economic exploitation and social degradation of the working class – the billionaire owners operating in alliance with the political elite.

In order to reverse the regressive tax practices and tax evasion, the low wage cycle and the spiraling death rates resulting from narcotics and other preventable causes, which profit insurance companies and pharmaceutical billionaires, class alliances need to be forged linking workers, consumers, pensioners, students, the disabled, the foreclosed homeowners, evicted tenants, debtors, the under-employed and immigrants as a unified political force.

Sooner said than done, but never tried! Everything and everyone is at stake: life, health and happiness.

 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    White, Chinese and Indian multi-millionaires exploit Afro-American, Latin American, Vietnamese and Filipino workers.

    high iq ppl r bad ppl

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    At least he didn't mention, well, you know who!

    "White Billionaires" sounds so much better, right?

    There are several, after all.
    , @Joe Wong
    If the vast majority of the American people do not buy into and actively support the current political, economic, financial, and social systems, the billionaires, elites and the 1% won't be where they are today. The majority of the greedy, abusive and expolitive 1% and billionaires come from the ordinary American people and the tools like the police, armed forces, officials, security agents, lawyers, etc. used by the billionaires and 1% are formed by the ordinary Americans. Blaming all the ills and suffering the author described in the US on the billionaires is simply irresponsible and ignoring their tools and the vast majority of the American people are the willing partners. Exonerating the willing partners as hapless victims is legitimizing morally defunct dog-eat-dog society in the United States, and allowing the billionaires, 1% and their tools continue their crimes burden free morally.
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  2. FKA Max says: • Website

    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into “how billionaires become billionaires”. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    [MORE]

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12

    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

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    Correction: The comment was just approved http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2030537

    The other comment was approved too, and contains a very important past VDare piece by Mr. Sailer:


    How Carlos Slim, World`s Richest Monopolist, Provokes And Profits From The Mexodus


    http://www.vdare.com/articles/how-carlos-slim-worlds-richest-monopolist-provokes-and-profits-from-the-mexodus
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    https://youtu.be/nD_DSYr7OyQ?t=1m

    P.s.: I believe this is my 900th approved comment on the Unz Review. Thanks to everyone for making this website such a great commenting and discussion experience and platform, most especially, as always, many, many thanks to our generous, patient, and fearless host Mr. Ron Unz.
    , @utu
    I know, it is all Catholic Church's fault.
    , @Alden
    The satanic conspiracy of Lucifer and the Vatican strikes again. And if you think Mexico is a mess becauseof the catholic church MAX,you should go to Thailand and see workers sold as slaves in lots of 10 or so held in cages.
    , @Alden
    MAX, you are so ignorant you don't even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.

    Those laws were strictly enforced until about 1950 when due to normal Mexican sloth enforcement dwindled. It was even illegal to use the word adios which like good bye means go with God.

    Can't even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?

    You should time travel back to Geneva Switzerland 1550. You could be one of Calvin's thugs confiscating wedding rings as a sign of vanity and sniffing out Sunday cooked dinners because it was forbidden to eat hot food on Sunday.

    Even Google has the info about the criminilization of Catholicism 1926 to 1992. You are so ignorant it's hard to believe.
    , @FKA Max
    I accidentally doubly quoted/copied and pasted this sentence in the above comment: ``The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented.''

    This is the very good article commenter ``TG'' shared:

    The Real Story on Syria: Forced Population Growth Followed by Collapse

    And here’s something else to remember: we keep hearing that nations need to grow their populations to become more powerful. People must have six children each or those evil people in Tyrannia or Fanatistan will outbreed us and conquer us! How powerful do you think that the Syrian government is now? Sure, all other things being equal God is on the side of the bigger battalions, but massively producing children that you can’t provide for is not usually the best strategy…

    It is astonishing that something so obvious, so blatant, has been effectively censored from public discussion. But of course, if it became possible to speak of how the rich forcing population growth upwards creates profits for a few and misery for the rest, why, there might be some opposition to such polices. Perhaps even worse, the rich could not coast along on their wealth claiming that mass poverty is somehow an inevitable consequence of free markets, or automation, or climate change, or socialized medicine, or rock music - instead of something that they deliberately created with malice aforethought.
     
    - http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-real-story-on-syria-forced.html

    Commenter ``Frau Katze'' also brought this piece by Thomas Friedman to my attention again from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then:

    But also consider this: Last May 9, The Times of Israel quoted Israeli geographer Arnon Soffer as observing that in the past 60 years, the population in the Middle East has twice doubled. “There is no example of this anywhere else on earth.”
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/opinion/friedman-wikileaks-drought-and-syria.html

    The Assad clan are obviously billionaires:

    A former ophthalmology student, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made sure key relatives were put in prime government positions. The Guardian reported that Assad's realizable assets stand at $1.5 billion. If this figure includes assets within Syria, which Assad and his family control, the figure would be much larger at about $122 billion. His wealth is said to come from land, energy and licenses. Assad is known to hold his cards, money and positions tightly within his inner circle.
     
    - http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0912/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history.aspx

    Rami Makhlouf is related to the Assad family through his aunt, Anisa Makhlouf, who was the wife of the late Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.[6] His personal wealth was estimated in 2008 to be about $6 billion.[7] He was born on 10 July 1969.[8]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Makhlouf#Background

    Interestingly, neighboring Lebanon has one of the world's highest densities of billionaires:

    Lebanon Among The 15 Most Billionaire-dense Countries: One Billionaire For Every 586,000 Lebanese
    http://blogbaladi.com/lebanon-among-the-15-most-billionaire-dense-countries-one-billionaire-for-every-586000-lebanese/

    The Mikati (Najib & Taha) and Hariri (Saad, Ayman, Bahaa, Fahad) families are basically Lebanon’s billionaires in addition to Robert Mouawad. It is worth noting that the Hariri and Mikati families are originally from Saida and Tripoli, two of the poorest areas in Lebanon.
     
    http://www.plus961.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lebanese-billionaires.jpg

    The Assad family also seems to be related to the Hariri family, but they also, apparently, had Rafik Hariri assassinated, go figure!

    Tumadhir, is married to Mu'ein Nasef Kheir Bek also from the Kalabiyya tribe and related to Mohammed Nasif Kheirbek, who is indirectly related by marriage and blood to Abd al-Halim Khaddam, Rafik Hariri and the influential Homs al-Atassi family.[29]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Assad_family#Rifaat_al-Assad

    For decades the Assad family has regarded Lebanon as its fiefdom. It has manipulated political events through support of Hizbullah and been involved in the assassination of political opponents, including Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in May 2007.
     
    - https://newint.org/columns/worldbeaters/2011/06/01/bashar-al-assad-family-syrian

    Remember Carlos Slim's parents are from Lebanon as well, and so was his late wife: http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
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  3. aon says:

    According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate.

    A link to the claims will help.

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  4. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into ``how billionaires become billionaires''. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico


    https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/915204337172967424

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12
     
    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=zqOpA2_CkLc

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/07/PH-2014-08-11-puerto-rico-1-01.png

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

    Correction: The comment was just approved http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2030537

    The other comment was approved too, and contains a very important past VDare piece by Mr. Sailer:


    How Carlos Slim, World`s Richest Monopolist, Provokes And Profits From The Mexodus

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/how-carlos-slim-worlds-richest-monopolist-provokes-and-profits-from-the-mexodus

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    P.s.: I believe this is my 900th approved comment on the Unz Review. Thanks to everyone for making this website such a great commenting and discussion experience and platform, most especially, as always, many, many thanks to our generous, patient, and fearless host Mr. Ron Unz.

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  5. utu says:
    @FKA Max
    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into ``how billionaires become billionaires''. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico


    https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/915204337172967424

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12
     
    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=zqOpA2_CkLc

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/07/PH-2014-08-11-puerto-rico-1-01.png

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

    I know, it is all Catholic Church’s fault.

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    Yes, particularly in Mexico, where the traditional alliance Catholic Church-Freemasonry to impoverish the secular population, nationalize their property, and persecute the Unions --like the Cristero Union-- is well known and documented since the 19 th Century. Oh, and all those catholic presidents in the 20th !!!
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  6. Wally says:

    “According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate.”

    No, it’s $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.

    https://www.ronpaul.com/taxes/

    An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent.

    Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending

    “We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”

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    No, it’s $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.
     
    There was a time that I would have agreed with that, and technically still get the point, but what it really means is that the government merely allows the corporations which they favor, subsidize, and bail out to keep the chump change they've stolen from the workers, besides that which the government steals from the workers and hands to the corporations.

    Corporations and government work hand in hand to fleece the herd and most of the herd apparently think it's just fine.

    Never forget that thanks to government, corporations socialize risk while privatizing profit. They are partners in gangsterism.

    , @Thorfinnsson
    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?

    Imagine fighting for the right for oligarchs to amass even more power...
    , @Rod1963
    Great another lets put more wealth and power into the hands of the oligarchs, libertarian.

    Dude, you don't get it. Your precious rich people are in partnership with the government and that why they get away with not paying taxers and forcing the little people to subsidize their screw-ups.
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  7. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon

    White, Chinese and Indian multi-millionaires exploit Afro-American, Latin American, Vietnamese and Filipino workers.
     
    high iq ppl r bad ppl

    At least he didn’t mention, well, you know who!

    “White Billionaires” sounds so much better, right?

    There are several, after all.

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    Jews are for the underdog. They don't take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!
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  8. This essay is almost useless as an explanation of “How billionaires become billionaires”. It talks about tax evasion, bailout money, inherited wealth, and poverty wages for employees.

    Just to mention one thing it overlooks: isn’t an enormous part of the fortune of Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg… in the form of stocks in their own companies?

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    "Just to mention one thing it overlooks: isn’t an enormous part of the fortune of Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg… in the form of stocks in their own companies?"

    This is true and all three buy back stock, to increase the price, on borrowed money at 0%.....courtesy of the government.
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  9. Logan says:

    White, Chinese and Indian multi-millionaires exploit Afro-American, Latin American, Vietnamese and Filipino workers.

    No white, Chinese or Indian workers are exploited?

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  10. conatus says:

    Ronald Reagan can be blamed for the excess of billionaires we now have. His lauding of the entrepreneurial spirit and how we are all brave individual risk takers makes it seem you are an envious chickensh$t if you advocate against unlimited assets.
    But even Warren Buffet has come out for the estate tax saying something like now the Forbes 400 now possesses total assets of 2.5 trillion in a 20 trillion economy when 40 years ago they totaled in the millions. The legal rule against perpetuities generally used to limit trusts to a lifetime of 100 years, now some states offer 1000 year trusts which will only concretize an outlandishly high Gini coefficient(a measure of income inequality).
    The rationale for lowering taxes and the untouchable rich is usually the trickle down theory but, as one of these billionaires said, “How many pairs of pants can I buy?” It takes 274 years spending 10,000 a day to spend a billion dollars.
    Better Henry Ford’s virtuous circle than Ronald Reagan’s entrepreneur.
    Ban all billionaires. Bring back the union label. Otherwise….. what do we have to lose?

    http://nobillionairescom.dotster.com/

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  11. JackOH says:

    How billionaires become billionaires? Sure, I’ll go with that. America’s evil tax code is also how the moderately poor are compelled to enrich the very poor while risking destitution for themselves. A $22,000 a year medically uninsured worker will pay taxes to bankroll Medicaid for which he doesn’t qualify and receives no benefit. Should he need medical attention, he’ll likely get it at the ER, and be be dunned for months or years for the “non-bulk” cost. Then there are Medicare effects, and the tax-exempt status of group health insurance effects.

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  12. RLV says:

    A litany of assertions … possibly all true … but there are no references for them. Does not make the false statements but does make a potentially important piece a rant useless to others who seek to act based on verifiable facts.

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  13. Joe Hide says:

    Great article! Let’s push for screening of public officials and influential leaders for excessive traits of psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissism, insanity, etc. …
    and make the results public. This is an easy do with even current technology. Cell phone aps, MRI’s, pupil dilation, and so forth. We need to know who our enemy is before countering his moves. Of course, the biggest tell will be that those with these traits will be the biggest opponents of this advancement in human existence.

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    Great article! Let’s push for screening of public officials and influential leaders for excessive traits of psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissism, insanity, etc. …
     
    Not only that, but as generally opposed to licensing as I am, I nevertheless strongly advocate testing and licensing of anyone interested in acquiring in a position of power over others or showing any interest in swilling at the public trough. ;)
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  14. The Chinese have the good sense to take the more egregious violators and shoot them, which goes a long way toward improving social cohesion. We might consider the same. We might not see Bezos or Dimon in the dock, but ten or twenty next-level-down types from Goldman Sachs, JPM, or Wells Fargo would be a good start.

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    Little do you know of the Chinese. Executions are done to people who cannot pay their way out of trouble. The execution bullets are paid by the family of the executed. Tho' the current president is trying to change things, he has to undo and replace a centuries old system of "guanxi" what we would call 'special relationships'. How do I know? I lived their from 2002 to 2016, and I had guanxi as well, enough to get foreigners out of prison they deserved but a Chinese prison is an upgrade of the notorious "Bangkok Hilton".
    Most Chinese control themselves through their understanding of the great philosophers Loazi (Lao Tsu), Kongzi (Confucius) and Buddha. Chinese people do not get involved in the affairs of others outside their extended families. And despite internal family conflicts they support each other materially. Some one in the family will have the relationships to get a family member out of trouble. Police are there for themselves and government, not for the people, so Chinese people are very self controlled and by positive actions and being polite to every one, they live a very stable life in huge numbers we outside China could not imagine.
    Yes, there is civil disobedience and group panic but there is a group that generally polices for the population, They keep the peace, find criminals and murderers and hand them over to the Police who extract money out of them, or get bribed by them, to be released, or send them to labour camps/prisons where some may have their organs removed. But you have to be quite a low level criminal to be subject to involuntary organ removal, or belong to an outlawed group. But it's very clear in China as to what can get you in trouble. Many longer term expatriates say China is a very safe country which it is because it's so obvious what will get you into trouble.
    Executions has nothing to do with social cohesion, it's all about building pro-survival relationships which the Chinese all must do in order to live the good life, or via a family, or an extended family, member who have the right relationships. The Chinese love and need for gold is for a time when "relationships" become useless.
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  15. @Anon
    At least he didn't mention, well, you know who!

    "White Billionaires" sounds so much better, right?

    There are several, after all.

    Jews are for the underdog. They don’t take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!

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    Jews are for the underdog. They don’t take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!
     
    Jezuzz, Father!
    , @Realist
    Your nom de plume should be Rabbi Goldberg.
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  16. @Wally
    "According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate."

    No, it's $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.

    https://www.ronpaul.com/taxes/


    An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent.

    Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending

    "We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”

     

    https://youtu.be/qI5lC4Z_T80

    No, it’s $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.

    There was a time that I would have agreed with that, and technically still get the point, but what it really means is that the government merely allows the corporations which they favor, subsidize, and bail out to keep the chump change they’ve stolen from the workers, besides that which the government steals from the workers and hands to the corporations.

    Corporations and government work hand in hand to fleece the herd and most of the herd apparently think it’s just fine.

    Never forget that thanks to government, corporations socialize risk while privatizing profit. They are partners in gangsterism.

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    But that is not Libertarian.

    The government must stay out of such matters. That's Libertarian.

    I also suggest you also read up on their NAP, non-aggression principle.
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  17. @Father O'Hara
    Jews are for the underdog. They don't take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!

    Jews are for the underdog. They don’t take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!

    Jezuzz, Father!

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  18. @Joe Hide
    Great article! Let's push for screening of public officials and influential leaders for excessive traits of psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissism, insanity, etc. ...
    and make the results public. This is an easy do with even current technology. Cell phone aps, MRI's, pupil dilation, and so forth. We need to know who our enemy is before countering his moves. Of course, the biggest tell will be that those with these traits will be the biggest opponents of this advancement in human existence.

    Great article! Let’s push for screening of public officials and influential leaders for excessive traits of psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissism, insanity, etc. …

    Not only that, but as generally opposed to licensing as I am, I nevertheless strongly advocate testing and licensing of anyone interested in acquiring in a position of power over others or showing any interest in swilling at the public trough. ;)

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    Who will do the "testing and licensing"?

    Who devises the 'tests'?

    What questions are on the 'tests'?

    Who grades the 'tests'?

    What are the criteria for passing these 'tests' and receiving said 'license'?

    How much will it cost?

    Who receives the money?
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  19. Private, exclusive clinics and top medical care include the most advanced treatment and safe and proven medication which allow billionaires and their family members to live longer and healthier lives.

    Sorry, I don’t buy the notion that billionaires have access to some super-healthcare that the rest of us don’t know about. In the real world rich people notoriously waste a lot of money on quackery, like the current fad of receiving plasma transfusions from young people as a phony “anti-aging” treatment.

    More likely the kinds of men who become billionaires just enjoy better health and longevity for genetic reasons. They tend to have higher IQ’s, for example, and some scientists think that IQ correlates with “system integrity” in their bodies which just make higher IQ people more resilient. Look up the growing body of research on cognitive epidemiology.

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    I think the author is talking about concierge medicine, which is a real thing. Wikipedia quotes 800 - 1500 such clinics, but I think that number is underestimated. I know of a few just in Austin, Tx alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concierge_medicine
    , @Stealth
    I thought of Steve Jobs as I read your comment. He probably made it longer than a normal person with pancreatic cancer would have, but the disease still took his life.

    The big advantage of the rich is probably that they can afford a lot of screening. MRI's and other scans are expensive, but if you get one every now and then, your radiologist might just find a cancer you wouldn't have otherwise noticed until it was too late. That's what saved Ruth Bader Ginsburg's life.

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/02/few_get_surgery_for_grim_pancr.html


    This is key: Ginsburg, who survived colon cancer a decade ago, reported no symptoms -- but doctors spotted the very small new tumor by accident when she had a CT scan as part of a regular checkup.
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  20. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m disappointed there was no mention of the “Billionaires” use of social media. They’ve always controlled the press of course: startin’ wars, hatin’ on those guys, gettin’ the blood up, jailin’ the ‘bad guys’, preaching an empty delusion of social justice propaganda, payin’ Ken Burns to propagandize and put a new coat of paint on the industrial scale killing of Vietnam. Probably just in time for more violence.

    Let’s face it, many of the workin’ stiff will blow a hedge fund manager and kneel before the so-called free market corpse of Sam Walton but most importantly they’ll grab their guns outa’ patriotic fervor and social media will be right there with ‘em. “I love Elon Musk!”

    It’s a great thing we’re watched and datamined for our own good – information is how billionaires became billionaires along with a lot of help from the Government they usually encourage you to dislike. Keep posting!

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  21. MarkinLA says:

    Rich conservatives, on the other hand, oppose immigration under the guise of ‘law and order’ and to lower social expenditures – despite that fact that they all use imported nannies, tutors, nurses, doctors and gardeners to service their families. Their servants can always be deported when convenient.

    BZZZZ – wrong. Rich conservative support massive immigration so they can get cheap labor while simutaneously virtue signaling. I thought you just got done sayiong they don’t pay for the costs of the working poor? The middle class is who is against immigratioin. They bear the burden and pay the taxes that support it.

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  22. anarchyst says:

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    Henry Ford realized that paying people a decent wage would come back to reward him immensely. Of course, the wall street banksters howled in protest, stating that Ford’s high wages would “destroy capitalism” as they knew it…Henry Ford mistrusted banks and knew of their destructive potential. His writings have stated as such.

    Henry Ford had a great part in establishing a “middle class” and was instrumental in helping quell the “class warfare” that was evident in other parts of the world.

    Our present “race to the bottom” with the implementation of the fraudulent H-1b visa program has made native-born Americans second-class citizens in our own country. The “pointy-headed intellectuals” in our “business schools”, colleges and universities have lost sight of the fact that a well-functioning economy requires a consumer base that is able to afford the consumer products available to them. It helps to have the products produced by the very consumers that eventually purchase them…in today’s business schools, the stockholder is looked upon as the one entity that must be “stroked” at all costs…the balance that is required for an economic system to flourish is ignored…a well-functioning economic system is like a three-legged stool that requires consumer/employees, investors/consumers.employees, and financial backers, also consumers,employees,investors to properly function. Take the employees out of the equation (with the siren song of cheap imports) and you have the mess that we are in today…

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    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.
     
    With the expansion of women into the working force and the availability of easy credit on a federal policy of infinite monetary expansion, it is no longer necessary to create a middle class through wages.
    , @Che Guava
    Henry Ford was, of course, a genius, terribly undervalued because he was also noticing and drawing attention to others who were doing business in evil ways. His opposing their war-mongering made him even less popular with them.

    Maybe another case, also to repeating from my recent post, of rentier capitalism (NYC) vs. Henry Ford (productive capitalism)

    As said in an earlier post, Morita of Sony, and Honda of Honda, were implementing similar schemes to Ford, it is a shame that Sony's investments in USA media (mainly after Morita's death) make the company subject to those interests, a kind of suicide in spirit.
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  23. @Wally
    "According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate."

    No, it's $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.

    https://www.ronpaul.com/taxes/


    An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent.

    Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending

    "We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”

     

    https://youtu.be/qI5lC4Z_T80

    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?

    Imagine fighting for the right for oligarchs to amass even more power…

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    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?
     
    Libertarians never existed. I know, I was one. Libertarian events consist of 1) the organizers: people, directly or indirectly, in the pay of the Koch brothers (e.g. the staff of Reason mag), 2) various grifters selling gold, freeze-dried food, foreign passports, etc (e.g. half the authors at zerohedge.com), 3) academics (see 1 and 6), 4) mentally ill people & dope fiends, 5) dentists who want their taxes cut and don't care who knows it, and 6) autists.

    The libertarian movement is 100% pure, unadulterated astroturf.
    , @Wally
    Do tell, what's your problem with Libertarians? Be specific.
    No weasel words.
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  24. Truth says:

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    This is actually one of the longest running myths in American business. Henry ford raised salaries so high because of the rate of attrition he was facing. The problem was that turn of the century Americans took pride in work, and he could not find enough men who wanted to perform the mundane tasks of the assembly line. I have read that his rate of attrition when he began assembly line labor was almost 9:1.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#3e1b1e08766d

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/lane-filler/henry-ford-didn-t-pay-5-a-day-just-to-be-nice-lane-filler-1.6629767

    …This is also why Ford brought so many blacks to Detroit. It wasn’t because he was being nice, he was an avowed racist and anti-Semite. Ford liked money more than ideology and to fill the boring jobs he needed a populous with no access to land, training , capital, apprenticeship or education.

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    Henry Ford WAS "racist" (rightly so) and KNEW that the banksters were not to be trusted. If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages. Henry Ford's "service department" (William Bennett) vetted ALL prospective Ford workers and made sure that they understood that the American Dream was real and that certain standards of living had to be adhered to. "Working for Mr. Ford" did MORE to establish a true "middle class" than just about any other industry. His actions forced others to increase their wages.
    , @anarchyst
    As to your website "Forbes", let's not forget that Forbes is a part of wall street who decried Ford's higher wages. If they had their way, auto assembly would have been low-paying work...
    , @Wally
    What's wrong with being an anti-semite vs. being anti-gentile?
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  25. @anarchyst
    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    Henry Ford realized that paying people a decent wage would come back to reward him immensely. Of course, the wall street banksters howled in protest, stating that Ford's high wages would "destroy capitalism" as they knew it...Henry Ford mistrusted banks and knew of their destructive potential. His writings have stated as such.

    Henry Ford had a great part in establishing a "middle class" and was instrumental in helping quell the "class warfare" that was evident in other parts of the world.

    Our present "race to the bottom" with the implementation of the fraudulent H-1b visa program has made native-born Americans second-class citizens in our own country. The "pointy-headed intellectuals" in our "business schools", colleges and universities have lost sight of the fact that a well-functioning economy requires a consumer base that is able to afford the consumer products available to them. It helps to have the products produced by the very consumers that eventually purchase them...in today's business schools, the stockholder is looked upon as the one entity that must be "stroked" at all costs...the balance that is required for an economic system to flourish is ignored...a well-functioning economic system is like a three-legged stool that requires consumer/employees, investors/consumers.employees, and financial backers, also consumers,employees,investors to properly function. Take the employees out of the equation (with the siren song of cheap imports) and you have the mess that we are in today...

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    With the expansion of women into the working force and the availability of easy credit on a federal policy of infinite monetary expansion, it is no longer necessary to create a middle class through wages.

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  26. Through favorable legal rulings and illegal foreclosures, the bankers evicted 9.3 million families. Over 20 million individuals lost their properties, often due to illegal or fraudulent debts.

    They ‘bought’ those homes with no down payment.

    When interest rates went up, they just walked away from their ‘homes’. They lost nothing and dumped the burden on the rest of us.

    It took two to tango.

    Banks lent money to the wrong people, and the wrong people just walked away when they couldn’t make the payment. Banks got bailouts, and the wrong people moved back into apartments while reneging on their debts.

    And many of them were not even working class but welfare class.

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    All of them bought with no money down? All of them had zero equity? Every person who's loan was foreclosed walked away scot free?
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  27. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452336/justice-department-harvard-racial-preferences-investigation

    But white gentiles, not Asian-Americans, are the most negatively impacted.

    Why not AA only for blacks of slave ancestry and Pre-American Indians on the continent?

    And in Hawaii for native Hawaiians, and in Alaska for the Eskimos.

    And NOTHING else.

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  28. anarchyst says:
    @Truth

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.
     
    This is actually one of the longest running myths in American business. Henry ford raised salaries so high because of the rate of attrition he was facing. The problem was that turn of the century Americans took pride in work, and he could not find enough men who wanted to perform the mundane tasks of the assembly line. I have read that his rate of attrition when he began assembly line labor was almost 9:1.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#3e1b1e08766d

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/lane-filler/henry-ford-didn-t-pay-5-a-day-just-to-be-nice-lane-filler-1.6629767

    ...This is also why Ford brought so many blacks to Detroit. It wasn't because he was being nice, he was an avowed racist and anti-Semite. Ford liked money more than ideology and to fill the boring jobs he needed a populous with no access to land, training , capital, apprenticeship or education.

    Henry Ford WAS “racist” (rightly so) and KNEW that the banksters were not to be trusted. If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages. Henry Ford’s “service department” (William Bennett) vetted ALL prospective Ford workers and made sure that they understood that the American Dream was real and that certain standards of living had to be adhered to. “Working for Mr. Ford” did MORE to establish a true “middle class” than just about any other industry. His actions forced others to increase their wages.

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    The point is that Ford's wages were a business decision, and nothing more. All of this American Pride, and concern for the worker's wellfare shit was nonsense. He did not pay a penny more than he needed to to make a healthy profit.

    And yes, a rising tide lifts all boats but this was incidental and many have argued that Ford was harmful to the American economy after all.

    Understand one thing: Of all of your stories about your great, white do-it-themselves, from the sweat of their own brows, capitalists, most of the info is fiction.

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    , @Truth

    If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages.
     
    It was not one of the reasons, it was THE reason.

    Understand one thing and understand it well, my friend. You have no reason to look up to thsese cowardly freemasons. They are not your friends and would sell your mother for a dollar.
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  29. anarchyst says:
    @Truth

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.
     
    This is actually one of the longest running myths in American business. Henry ford raised salaries so high because of the rate of attrition he was facing. The problem was that turn of the century Americans took pride in work, and he could not find enough men who wanted to perform the mundane tasks of the assembly line. I have read that his rate of attrition when he began assembly line labor was almost 9:1.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#3e1b1e08766d

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/lane-filler/henry-ford-didn-t-pay-5-a-day-just-to-be-nice-lane-filler-1.6629767

    ...This is also why Ford brought so many blacks to Detroit. It wasn't because he was being nice, he was an avowed racist and anti-Semite. Ford liked money more than ideology and to fill the boring jobs he needed a populous with no access to land, training , capital, apprenticeship or education.

    As to your website “Forbes”, let’s not forget that Forbes is a part of wall street who decried Ford’s higher wages. If they had their way, auto assembly would have been low-paying work…

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  30. Bill says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?

    Imagine fighting for the right for oligarchs to amass even more power...

    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?

    Libertarians never existed. I know, I was one. Libertarian events consist of 1) the organizers: people, directly or indirectly, in the pay of the Koch brothers (e.g. the staff of Reason mag), 2) various grifters selling gold, freeze-dried food, foreign passports, etc (e.g. half the authors at zerohedge.com), 3) academics (see 1 and 6), 4) mentally ill people & dope fiends, 5) dentists who want their taxes cut and don’t care who knows it, and 6) autists.

    The libertarian movement is 100% pure, unadulterated astroturf.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    That Internet drug peddler who owned the Silk Road website Ross Ulbricht is a very strong libertarian.

    My personal opinion is that libertarianism is like survivalism, just an overblown diversion to manipulate young White men from the real problems of affirmative action and discrimination against Whites.
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  31. botazefa says:
    @advancedatheist

    Private, exclusive clinics and top medical care include the most advanced treatment and safe and proven medication which allow billionaires and their family members to live longer and healthier lives.
     
    Sorry, I don't buy the notion that billionaires have access to some super-healthcare that the rest of us don't know about. In the real world rich people notoriously waste a lot of money on quackery, like the current fad of receiving plasma transfusions from young people as a phony "anti-aging" treatment.

    More likely the kinds of men who become billionaires just enjoy better health and longevity for genetic reasons. They tend to have higher IQ's, for example, and some scientists think that IQ correlates with "system integrity" in their bodies which just make higher IQ people more resilient. Look up the growing body of research on cognitive epidemiology.

    I think the author is talking about concierge medicine, which is a real thing. Wikipedia quotes 800 – 1500 such clinics, but I think that number is underestimated. I know of a few just in Austin, Tx alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concierge_medicine

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    Yes, it is a real thing. But there are also rumours that the Criminal Elite extend their lives by transfusions of the blood of young virgins. I particularly like the alien reptilian theory; explains Bezos, and Prince Charles for that matter, to a tee.
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  32. botazefa says:
    @Priss Factor
    Through favorable legal rulings and illegal foreclosures, the bankers evicted 9.3 million families. Over 20 million individuals lost their properties, often due to illegal or fraudulent debts.

    They 'bought' those homes with no down payment.

    When interest rates went up, they just walked away from their 'homes'. They lost nothing and dumped the burden on the rest of us.

    It took two to tango.

    Banks lent money to the wrong people, and the wrong people just walked away when they couldn't make the payment. Banks got bailouts, and the wrong people moved back into apartments while reneging on their debts.

    And many of them were not even working class but welfare class.

    All of them bought with no money down? All of them had zero equity? Every person who’s loan was foreclosed walked away scot free?

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    TOO MANY bought with no payment down.

    They changed the rules. Banks and Dubya with the help of Democrats. Banks wanted to bundle and sell more debts around the world. And both parties wanted to be associated with universalizing home ownership.
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  33. Truth says:
    @anarchyst
    Henry Ford WAS "racist" (rightly so) and KNEW that the banksters were not to be trusted. If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages. Henry Ford's "service department" (William Bennett) vetted ALL prospective Ford workers and made sure that they understood that the American Dream was real and that certain standards of living had to be adhered to. "Working for Mr. Ford" did MORE to establish a true "middle class" than just about any other industry. His actions forced others to increase their wages.

    The point is that Ford’s wages were a business decision, and nothing more. All of this American Pride, and concern for the worker’s wellfare shit was nonsense. He did not pay a penny more than he needed to to make a healthy profit.

    And yes, a rising tide lifts all boats but this was incidental and many have argued that Ford was harmful to the American economy after all.

    Understand one thing: Of all of your stories about your great, white do-it-themselves, from the sweat of their own brows, capitalists, most of the info is fiction.

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

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    You are correct. It was a "business decision" without government interference, unlike the case today...
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  34. Truth says:
    @anarchyst
    Henry Ford WAS "racist" (rightly so) and KNEW that the banksters were not to be trusted. If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages. Henry Ford's "service department" (William Bennett) vetted ALL prospective Ford workers and made sure that they understood that the American Dream was real and that certain standards of living had to be adhered to. "Working for Mr. Ford" did MORE to establish a true "middle class" than just about any other industry. His actions forced others to increase their wages.

    If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages.

    It was not one of the reasons, it was THE reason.

    Understand one thing and understand it well, my friend. You have no reason to look up to thsese cowardly freemasons. They are not your friends and would sell your mother for a dollar.

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    This is pretty much agree with - anyone who thinks that the elite has his or her best interests at heart will be sadly mistaken. This may have been more the case when the elite was forced to share roughly the same environment as you did, but nowadays they do not in the least and in almost every context: political, economic, and social, they reside in a bubble of their own.
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  35. @Truth

    If you bothered to comprehend what I wrote, you would know that I did mention the attrition rate as one of the reasons for the high wages.
     
    It was not one of the reasons, it was THE reason.

    Understand one thing and understand it well, my friend. You have no reason to look up to thsese cowardly freemasons. They are not your friends and would sell your mother for a dollar.

    This is pretty much agree with – anyone who thinks that the elite has his or her best interests at heart will be sadly mistaken. This may have been more the case when the elite was forced to share roughly the same environment as you did, but nowadays they do not in the least and in almost every context: political, economic, and social, they reside in a bubble of their own.

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    Yes, from Henry Ford and his anti-union strike breaking to his Son's "planned obselesence" 50 years later, making cars that went bust after 100 years (and being in cahoots with the other two of the big three on this), The Ford family are as good as traitors.
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  36. @botazefa
    All of them bought with no money down? All of them had zero equity? Every person who's loan was foreclosed walked away scot free?

    TOO MANY bought with no payment down.

    They changed the rules. Banks and Dubya with the help of Democrats. Banks wanted to bundle and sell more debts around the world. And both parties wanted to be associated with universalizing home ownership.

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  37. @botazefa
    I think the author is talking about concierge medicine, which is a real thing. Wikipedia quotes 800 - 1500 such clinics, but I think that number is underestimated. I know of a few just in Austin, Tx alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concierge_medicine

    Yes, it is a real thing. But there are also rumours that the Criminal Elite extend their lives by transfusions of the blood of young virgins. I particularly like the alien reptilian theory; explains Bezos, and Prince Charles for that matter, to a tee.

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    I think the elites are the children of Satan.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Where do they find virgins NOW?
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  38. Wally says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?

    Imagine fighting for the right for oligarchs to amass even more power...

    Do tell, what’s your problem with Libertarians? Be specific.
    No weasel words.

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    They're low T autistic losers obsessed with their "principles".

    The reducto ad absurdum of the pathetic conservative movement.

    Many of us were once libertarians, but those of us with some spine became alt-right.

    The fact there are still libertarians is weird--like viewing some fossil.
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  39. Wally says:
    @jacques sheete

    No, it’s $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.
     
    There was a time that I would have agreed with that, and technically still get the point, but what it really means is that the government merely allows the corporations which they favor, subsidize, and bail out to keep the chump change they've stolen from the workers, besides that which the government steals from the workers and hands to the corporations.

    Corporations and government work hand in hand to fleece the herd and most of the herd apparently think it's just fine.

    Never forget that thanks to government, corporations socialize risk while privatizing profit. They are partners in gangsterism.

    But that is not Libertarian.

    The government must stay out of such matters. That’s Libertarian.

    I also suggest you also read up on their NAP, non-aggression principle.

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    How is anyone going to enforce a contract without government?
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  40. Wally says:
    @jacques sheete

    Great article! Let’s push for screening of public officials and influential leaders for excessive traits of psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissism, insanity, etc. …
     
    Not only that, but as generally opposed to licensing as I am, I nevertheless strongly advocate testing and licensing of anyone interested in acquiring in a position of power over others or showing any interest in swilling at the public trough. ;)

    Who will do the “testing and licensing”?

    Who devises the ‘tests’?

    What questions are on the ‘tests’?

    Who grades the ‘tests’?

    What are the criteria for passing these ‘tests’ and receiving said ‘license’?

    How much will it cost?

    Who receives the money?

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  41. Wally says:
    @Truth

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.
     
    This is actually one of the longest running myths in American business. Henry ford raised salaries so high because of the rate of attrition he was facing. The problem was that turn of the century Americans took pride in work, and he could not find enough men who wanted to perform the mundane tasks of the assembly line. I have read that his rate of attrition when he began assembly line labor was almost 9:1.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#3e1b1e08766d

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/lane-filler/henry-ford-didn-t-pay-5-a-day-just-to-be-nice-lane-filler-1.6629767

    ...This is also why Ford brought so many blacks to Detroit. It wasn't because he was being nice, he was an avowed racist and anti-Semite. Ford liked money more than ideology and to fill the boring jobs he needed a populous with no access to land, training , capital, apprenticeship or education.

    What’s wrong with being an anti-semite vs. being anti-gentile?

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    First of all I take the off-told story that Ford was an anti-semite at face value.I have levels for every question that I answer and in order to answer a question simply, I generally do not take it beyond them most superficial of levels.

    Henry Ford, like every other wealthy Westerner was a kike, uh, freemason, therefore he was a semetic butt-kisser not hater. The freemasons after all are a group that folows Ancient JewISH Kabbalistic traditions.

    All high-level freemasons are quasi- JewISH.

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/ford_h/ford_h.html
    , @Anon
    Wouldn't neither be better?
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  42. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    I know, it is all Catholic Church's fault.

    Yes, particularly in Mexico, where the traditional alliance Catholic Church-Freemasonry to impoverish the secular population, nationalize their property, and persecute the Unions –like the Cristero Union– is well known and documented since the 19 th Century. Oh, and all those catholic presidents in the 20th !!!

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  43. Truth says:
    @Wally
    What's wrong with being an anti-semite vs. being anti-gentile?

    First of all I take the off-told story that Ford was an anti-semite at face value.I have levels for every question that I answer and in order to answer a question simply, I generally do not take it beyond them most superficial of levels.

    Henry Ford, like every other wealthy Westerner was a kike, uh, freemason, therefore he was a semetic butt-kisser not hater. The freemasons after all are a group that folows Ancient JewISH Kabbalistic traditions.

    All high-level freemasons are quasi- JewISH.

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/ford_h/ford_h.html

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    So because he 'kissed Jew ass' is why Jews brand him an antisemite?

    Huge contradiction, my friend.
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  44. anarchyst says:
    @Truth
    The point is that Ford's wages were a business decision, and nothing more. All of this American Pride, and concern for the worker's wellfare shit was nonsense. He did not pay a penny more than he needed to to make a healthy profit.

    And yes, a rising tide lifts all boats but this was incidental and many have argued that Ford was harmful to the American economy after all.

    Understand one thing: Of all of your stories about your great, white do-it-themselves, from the sweat of their own brows, capitalists, most of the info is fiction.

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    You are correct. It was a “business decision” without government interference, unlike the case today…

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  45. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is pretty much agree with - anyone who thinks that the elite has his or her best interests at heart will be sadly mistaken. This may have been more the case when the elite was forced to share roughly the same environment as you did, but nowadays they do not in the least and in almost every context: political, economic, and social, they reside in a bubble of their own.

    Yes, from Henry Ford and his anti-union strike breaking to his Son’s “planned obselesence” 50 years later, making cars that went bust after 100 years (and being in cahoots with the other two of the big three on this), The Ford family are as good as traitors.

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  46. Realist says:

    I agree with the article. Elon Musk is the epitome of a scumbag Billionaire…living off tax payer money.

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    You are very correct, my dear.

    He has a huge pile of money.

    How is he subsidized or a leach,

    let me count the ways.

    Space X is built on talent with very expensive training and experience from elsewhere.

    It is always at least largely reliant on grants and, lately, the NASA and military contracts.

    Would doubting that Musk was spending *any* of his dragonhoard on it, just a little in early days.

    Tesla (insult to its namesake), massively subsidised by California and the federal govt.

    Hyperloop, which noobody normal will ever afford to ride?

    Already huge subsidies.

    So, how to beimg a billionaire?

    Other people's money.
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  47. Realist says:
    @Mitchell Porter
    This essay is almost useless as an explanation of "How billionaires become billionaires". It talks about tax evasion, bailout money, inherited wealth, and poverty wages for employees.

    Just to mention one thing it overlooks: isn't an enormous part of the fortune of Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg... in the form of stocks in their own companies?

    “Just to mention one thing it overlooks: isn’t an enormous part of the fortune of Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg… in the form of stocks in their own companies?”

    This is true and all three buy back stock, to increase the price, on borrowed money at 0%…..courtesy of the government.

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  48. Medieval England had Robin Hood. Tsarists Russia had Grigory Kotovsky. USA has nobody. Crazy or angry people instead of going out and shooting those bloodsuckers instead go and kill completely innocent people. I have no clue why Americans need so many guns anyway if they are never used for what Founding Fathers told people would need guns. It looks like the right time.

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    Exactly. Good point!
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  49. Realist says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Jews are for the underdog. They don't take part in all the scheming and stealing. They LIKE us!

    Your nom de plume should be Rabbi Goldberg.

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  50. LauraMR says:

    In order to avoid taxes, one needs to make money to begin with.

    The entire “article” is adolescent babble.

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  51. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    What's wrong with being an anti-semite vs. being anti-gentile?

    Wouldn’t neither be better?

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    Indeed, we all wish most Jews would correct their hateful, lying behavior.

    Mandated belief in the 'holocaust' = belief in the impossible = religion.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    But that is not Libertarian.

    The government must stay out of such matters. That's Libertarian.

    I also suggest you also read up on their NAP, non-aggression principle.

    How is anyone going to enforce a contract without government?

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    Another uninformed strawman from a statist.

    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.

    There is also government, but much, much less and as localized as possible.

    Try to catch up.

    , @Alden
    Guns, swords, baseball bats, fists, feet, strangulation which of course leads to organized conflict resolution in the form of arbitration and courts.
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  53. Rod1963 says:
    @Wally
    "According to the US Internal Revenue Service, billionaire tax evasion amounts to $458 billion dollars in lost public revenues every year – almost a trillion dollars every two years by this conservative estimate."

    No, it's $458 billion that the government has not managed to steal.

    https://www.ronpaul.com/taxes/


    An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent.

    Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
    To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending

    "We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”

     

    https://youtu.be/qI5lC4Z_T80

    Great another lets put more wealth and power into the hands of the oligarchs, libertarian.

    Dude, you don’t get it. Your precious rich people are in partnership with the government and that why they get away with not paying taxers and forcing the little people to subsidize their screw-ups.

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    Yet more strawmen.

    - Libertarians believe the government should stay out of it.

    - You miss the basic point that income taxes should be eliminated for all workers, period.

    - Just because some are not paying has nothing to do with the fact that no one should pay.

    As I said, strawmen.

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  54. Wally says:
    @Anon
    How is anyone going to enforce a contract without government?

    Another uninformed strawman from a statist.

    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.

    There is also government, but much, much less and as localized as possible.

    Try to catch up.

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    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.


    On which planet in which galaxy is this world?
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  55. Wally says:
    @Truth
    First of all I take the off-told story that Ford was an anti-semite at face value.I have levels for every question that I answer and in order to answer a question simply, I generally do not take it beyond them most superficial of levels.

    Henry Ford, like every other wealthy Westerner was a kike, uh, freemason, therefore he was a semetic butt-kisser not hater. The freemasons after all are a group that folows Ancient JewISH Kabbalistic traditions.

    All high-level freemasons are quasi- JewISH.

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/ford_h/ford_h.html

    So because he ‘kissed Jew ass’ is why Jews brand him an antisemite?

    Huge contradiction, my friend.

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    Yes, huge contradiction.

    And no, Jews brand him an antisemite...well, it's complicated.

    http://paradigm2012shift.blogspot.com/2013/08/well-know-our-disinformation-program-is.html
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  56. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Wouldn't neither be better?

    Indeed, we all wish most Jews would correct their hateful, lying behavior.

    Mandated belief in the ‘holocaust’ = belief in the impossible = religion.

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  57. Wally says:
    @Rod1963
    Great another lets put more wealth and power into the hands of the oligarchs, libertarian.

    Dude, you don't get it. Your precious rich people are in partnership with the government and that why they get away with not paying taxers and forcing the little people to subsidize their screw-ups.

    Yet more strawmen.

    - Libertarians believe the government should stay out of it.

    - You miss the basic point that income taxes should be eliminated for all workers, period.

    - Just because some are not paying has nothing to do with the fact that no one should pay.

    As I said, strawmen.

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    Clearly no one can mandate a belief in anything?
    , @Anon
    Income taxes are the only fair form of taxation.
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  58. Stealth says:
    @advancedatheist

    Private, exclusive clinics and top medical care include the most advanced treatment and safe and proven medication which allow billionaires and their family members to live longer and healthier lives.
     
    Sorry, I don't buy the notion that billionaires have access to some super-healthcare that the rest of us don't know about. In the real world rich people notoriously waste a lot of money on quackery, like the current fad of receiving plasma transfusions from young people as a phony "anti-aging" treatment.

    More likely the kinds of men who become billionaires just enjoy better health and longevity for genetic reasons. They tend to have higher IQ's, for example, and some scientists think that IQ correlates with "system integrity" in their bodies which just make higher IQ people more resilient. Look up the growing body of research on cognitive epidemiology.

    I thought of Steve Jobs as I read your comment. He probably made it longer than a normal person with pancreatic cancer would have, but the disease still took his life.

    The big advantage of the rich is probably that they can afford a lot of screening. MRI’s and other scans are expensive, but if you get one every now and then, your radiologist might just find a cancer you wouldn’t have otherwise noticed until it was too late. That’s what saved Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s life.

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/02/few_get_surgery_for_grim_pancr.html

    This is key: Ginsburg, who survived colon cancer a decade ago, reported no symptoms — but doctors spotted the very small new tumor by accident when she had a CT scan as part of a regular checkup.

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  59. polskijoe says:

    Latin Freemasonry tends to hate Catholics. At least it used to (thats for sure).
    What alliance would you speak of in Mexico?
    The Freemasons were heavily involved in that Revolution and Cristero war.

    Anglo Freemasonry for some time was “anti-semitic” but did have Judeo-Christian-other values.
    Ford and Truman (32 degree I believe) bashed them for sure, but caved into their demands in later times.
    Ford apologized and Truman agreed to Zionism.

    I get the feeling that Jewish Freemasonry Bnai Brith has more power than AngloFreemasonry.
    They probably work with LatinFreemasonry.

    Finally, Skull and Bones (Bushes, Taft, Rockefeller) also tend to go that way.

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  60. But how much do very rich people waste? And what proportion of all waste is by the rich.

    A very small proporton of a billionaire’s expenditure would be for frivolous luxuries. If they are the providers of venture capital do you want politicians snd bureaucrats to take over that function?

    As Keynes taught during the 30s the problem arises when those who are rich enough to spend don’t. After 2007 a much bigger problem, arguably, was the failure of govrrnment to borrow cheaply to fix infrastructure.

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  61. Couldn’t be bothered to read all the above leftist clap trap, usually conflation cherrypicking and of course left wing morality.
    Ill do him one better, why do we even tax corporations at all? They really aren’t people envying their wealth is absurd, corporations get no schadenfreude from our poverty. Instead we should tax the wealth (assuming we have to have a government at all and it has to have wealth to operate both dubious assumptions) …. tax the wealth when it leaves the corporation and going into peoples possession. More on that in a sec, but first lets get something straight. When some lefty politician gets your vote by taxing a corporation hes just fucked you in your leftist ass, he knows it the corporation knows it people on the right try to warn you but you’re just the sore assed lefty clueless why his asshole aches, you know why ( not that you’ll hear it this time but anyway…) Because taxes to a corporation are just one of their business expenses, and you know what they do with business expenses? that right they shove them up your lefty asses by raising prices. While we are on this topic, same thing is what happens when leftys demand some new basic human right we cant afford and the politician promises it anyway them runs up the debt to give it to you or some third world brown youre holiness signalling on behalf of, and what happens is inflation, your money gets worth less, because the smart people who are tuned into realty and can do maths watch the money being printed faster than GDP and say thats fake money govt so I now want more of it for the same amount of product I sold you yesterday my gold my oil my realestate my stocks my gadgets now cost more in those fake dollars because I saw what you did with that free healthcare you charged. So again that free shit cost you in higher priced everything.

    so assuming you need a govt and it needs revenues and you dont tax the piece of paper called a corporation where do you grab the cash. well the corp has ore cash to invest and expand so it may hire more people to tax, it will also pay some some dividends which can be taxed, and its shares will rise which when sold can also be taxed its expansion will cause it to buy from other companies where all this will also happen so more revenue will roll in. And because we have zero corp taxes all the talent in the world will at the very least want to manufacture what they sell here here and have their corp headquarters here they will probably do everything they can here so even more employment to tax and wages rising and opportunity multiplying.

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    Ill do him one better, why do we even tax corporations at all?

    Because if we didn't wealthy would create private corporations to keep the wealth in the family and never pay taxes on it except the bare minimum to the family members. The corporation would own all the cars, real estate, and every vacation would be a business trip while the family members get paid just enough to buy food and pay rent to the corporation owned homes.

    Corporations also have the "right" to spend infinite amounts of money on political campaigns, it seems.

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  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Yet more strawmen.

    - Libertarians believe the government should stay out of it.

    - You miss the basic point that income taxes should be eliminated for all workers, period.

    - Just because some are not paying has nothing to do with the fact that no one should pay.

    As I said, strawmen.

    Clearly no one can mandate a belief in anything?

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    Yes they can, and have.

    See the Fabius - Gayssot Act, now in force in 16 European countries.

    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     
    Only Liars Want Censorship
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  63. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Yet more strawmen.

    - Libertarians believe the government should stay out of it.

    - You miss the basic point that income taxes should be eliminated for all workers, period.

    - Just because some are not paying has nothing to do with the fact that no one should pay.

    As I said, strawmen.

    Income taxes are the only fair form of taxation.

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    Marx & Engels said the same thing.
    , @The Alarmist
    You are on drugs. Income taxes oppress the little people by making it difficult for them to amass meaningful wealth and security over time. If you want fairness, you need a wealth tax.
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  64. the formula hasn’t change though, it was, and has always been monopoly of a lucrative market :)

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  65. Alden says:
    @FKA Max
    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into ``how billionaires become billionaires''. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico


    https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/915204337172967424

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12
     
    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=zqOpA2_CkLc

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/07/PH-2014-08-11-puerto-rico-1-01.png

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

    The satanic conspiracy of Lucifer and the Vatican strikes again. And if you think Mexico is a mess becauseof the catholic church MAX,you should go to Thailand and see workers sold as slaves in lots of 10 or so held in cages.

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  66. I stopped reading at the point where the author says it’s something to do with corporate tax rates.

    Corporations pay no taxes. Never have. Never will.

    Set the corporate tax rate wherever you like, from zero to 100%, and corporations will still pay no taxes.

    Corporations merely collect taxes from whoever buys their goods/services, and they pass the money on to the government.

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  67. Truth says:
    @Wally
    So because he 'kissed Jew ass' is why Jews brand him an antisemite?

    Huge contradiction, my friend.

    Yes, huge contradiction.

    And no, Jews brand him an antisemite…well, it’s complicated.

    http://paradigm2012shift.blogspot.com/2013/08/well-know-our-disinformation-program-is.html

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  68. utu says:
    @Wally
    Another uninformed strawman from a statist.

    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.

    There is also government, but much, much less and as localized as possible.

    Try to catch up.

    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.

    On which planet in which galaxy is this world?

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    Teenage response.

    It would be this planet if Libertarians were elected in numbers.

    I mean what the hell, things are just peachy as they are, right?

    But then who controls the microphone?

    Give free choice a chance.
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  69. Alden says:
    @FKA Max
    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into ``how billionaires become billionaires''. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico


    https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/915204337172967424

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12
     
    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=zqOpA2_CkLc

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/07/PH-2014-08-11-puerto-rico-1-01.png

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

    MAX, you are so ignorant you don’t even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.

    Those laws were strictly enforced until about 1950 when due to normal Mexican sloth enforcement dwindled. It was even illegal to use the word adios which like good bye means go with God.

    Can’t even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?

    You should time travel back to Geneva Switzerland 1550. You could be one of Calvin’s thugs confiscating wedding rings as a sign of vanity and sniffing out Sunday cooked dinners because it was forbidden to eat hot food on Sunday.

    Even Google has the info about the criminilization of Catholicism 1926 to 1992. You are so ignorant it’s hard to believe.

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    Ávila Camacho was a professed Catholic, saying "I am a believer". Post-revolution presidents until 1940 were anticlerical.[7] During Ávila Camacho's term, the conflict between the Roman Catholic Church in Mexico and the Mexican state largely ended.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_%C3%81vila_Camacho#Church-State_conflict_ends

    Growth during the new Church-State modus vivendi, 1940–1980

    With the cessation of open conflict between Church and State beginning with the Avila Camacho presidency, the Catholic Church entered a new period of growth and consolidation. The modus vivendi was the result of both Church and State realizing that further conflict was damaging to both, and the government might have seen a better relationship with the Church as fostering legitimacy for the regime.[149] The number of functioning churches doubled during these four decades, as did the number of seminaries training Mexican priests. The number of priests tripled, which matched the growth in Mexico's population, which was rapidly urbanizing.[150]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Mexico#Growth_during_the_new_Church-State_modus_vivendi.2C_1940.E2.80.931980

    !!!

    MAX, you are so ignorant you don’t even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.
     
    !!!

    Why then did the Church have an almost 40,000-person-strong workforce in Mexico in 1980?

    http://cara.georgetown.edu/staff/webpages/mexico16d.jpg

    However, once again, a declining percentage does not mean that there are fewer weekly attenders in the pews. With population growth the number of weekly Mass attenders has grown from 36.7 million in 1980 to 42.7 million in 2013 (16% growth).

    Source: http://nineteensixty-four.blogspot.com/2016/02/key-catholic-trends-in-mexico.html

    Why did Opus Dei expand to and start operating in Mexico in 1945 then?

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/wordpressRM/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/opus-expansion-apr-16.jpg

    Source: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/

    Why was the Legion of Christ founded in Mexico in 1941 then?

    The Legion was founded in Mexico in 1941, by Marcial Maciel. He directed the congregation as its general director until made to step down in January 2005 as a result of grave scandals.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Christ

    !!!

    Can’t even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?
     
    !!!

    The Financial Empire of the Legion of Christ

    The Millionaires of Christ
    [...]
    Just in Mexico, the congregation receives about 8 thousand million pesos (440 million US dollars) annually from supposedly philanthropic associations.
    [...]
    In reality their millions are invested in companies that manufacture arms, bombs and attack helicopters which were used to destroy villages during the Second Iraq War; they invest heavily in international beer companies and in pharmaceutical companies that make condoms (Holy Mother of God!)
    [...]
    The Legion of Christ had the political and financial backing of businessmen such as Carlos Slim [he is a multi-billionaire] and presidents such as Vicente Fox. What is more surprising still is that the support of the most powerful men in Mexico and the world remained firm even after 1997 when nine former Legionaries revealed their sexual abuse by the founder. The support continued even longer, after 2006 when the Vatican silenced Maciel.
     
    - https://regainnetwork.org/2016/01/31/the-financial-empire-of-the-legion-of-christ/
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  70. Alden says:
    @Bill

    Why the hell do libertarians still exist?
     
    Libertarians never existed. I know, I was one. Libertarian events consist of 1) the organizers: people, directly or indirectly, in the pay of the Koch brothers (e.g. the staff of Reason mag), 2) various grifters selling gold, freeze-dried food, foreign passports, etc (e.g. half the authors at zerohedge.com), 3) academics (see 1 and 6), 4) mentally ill people & dope fiends, 5) dentists who want their taxes cut and don't care who knows it, and 6) autists.

    The libertarian movement is 100% pure, unadulterated astroturf.

    That Internet drug peddler who owned the Silk Road website Ross Ulbricht is a very strong libertarian.

    My personal opinion is that libertarianism is like survivalism, just an overblown diversion to manipulate young White men from the real problems of affirmative action and discrimination against Whites.

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    For TPTB the libertarianism certainly is a very useful delusion to infect young (mostly male) minds with and render them at least harmless if not cheerleaders for the neoliberal NWO paradise. Ayn Rand books created greater devastation in young Americans minds and psyche. If she was the product of CIA or NKVD she would be one of the most successful psyops they ever conducted or dreamed of.
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  71. Alden says:
    @Anon
    How is anyone going to enforce a contract without government?

    Guns, swords, baseball bats, fists, feet, strangulation which of course leads to organized conflict resolution in the form of arbitration and courts.

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  72. Wally says:
    @utu
    Yes, there are courts of law in a Libertarian world.


    On which planet in which galaxy is this world?

    Teenage response.

    It would be this planet if Libertarians were elected in numbers.

    I mean what the hell, things are just peachy as they are, right?

    But then who controls the microphone?

    Give free choice a chance.

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  73. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    Clearly no one can mandate a belief in anything?

    Yes they can, and have.

    See the Fabius – Gayssot Act, now in force in 16 European countries.

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    - endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

    Only Liars Want Censorship

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    What part of that law requires anyone to believe anything?
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  74. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Income taxes are the only fair form of taxation.

    Marx & Engels said the same thing.

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    Doesn't make it wrong.
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  75. Alden says:
    @The Alarmist
    Yes, it is a real thing. But there are also rumours that the Criminal Elite extend their lives by transfusions of the blood of young virgins. I particularly like the alien reptilian theory; explains Bezos, and Prince Charles for that matter, to a tee.

    I think the elites are the children of Satan.

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  76. utu says:
    @Alden
    That Internet drug peddler who owned the Silk Road website Ross Ulbricht is a very strong libertarian.

    My personal opinion is that libertarianism is like survivalism, just an overblown diversion to manipulate young White men from the real problems of affirmative action and discrimination against Whites.

    For TPTB the libertarianism certainly is a very useful delusion to infect young (mostly male) minds with and render them at least harmless if not cheerleaders for the neoliberal NWO paradise. Ayn Rand books created greater devastation in young Americans minds and psyche. If she was the product of CIA or NKVD she would be one of the most successful psyops they ever conducted or dreamed of.

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  77. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Alden
    MAX, you are so ignorant you don't even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.

    Those laws were strictly enforced until about 1950 when due to normal Mexican sloth enforcement dwindled. It was even illegal to use the word adios which like good bye means go with God.

    Can't even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?

    You should time travel back to Geneva Switzerland 1550. You could be one of Calvin's thugs confiscating wedding rings as a sign of vanity and sniffing out Sunday cooked dinners because it was forbidden to eat hot food on Sunday.

    Even Google has the info about the criminilization of Catholicism 1926 to 1992. You are so ignorant it's hard to believe.

    Ávila Camacho was a professed Catholic, saying “I am a believer”. Post-revolution presidents until 1940 were anticlerical.[7] During Ávila Camacho’s term, the conflict between the Roman Catholic Church in Mexico and the Mexican state largely ended.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_%C3%81vila_Camacho#Church-State_conflict_ends

    Growth during the new Church-State modus vivendi, 1940–1980

    With the cessation of open conflict between Church and State beginning with the Avila Camacho presidency, the Catholic Church entered a new period of growth and consolidation. The modus vivendi was the result of both Church and State realizing that further conflict was damaging to both, and the government might have seen a better relationship with the Church as fostering legitimacy for the regime.[149] The number of functioning churches doubled during these four decades, as did the number of seminaries training Mexican priests. The number of priests tripled, which matched the growth in Mexico’s population, which was rapidly urbanizing.[150]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Mexico#Growth_during_the_new_Church-State_modus_vivendi.2C_1940.E2.80.931980

    [MORE]

    !!!

    MAX, you are so ignorant you don’t even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.

    !!!

    Why then did the Church have an almost 40,000-person-strong workforce in Mexico in 1980?

    However, once again, a declining percentage does not mean that there are fewer weekly attenders in the pews. With population growth the number of weekly Mass attenders has grown from 36.7 million in 1980 to 42.7 million in 2013 (16% growth).

    Source: http://nineteensixty-four.blogspot.com/2016/02/key-catholic-trends-in-mexico.html

    Why did Opus Dei expand to and start operating in Mexico in 1945 then?

    Source: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/

    Why was the Legion of Christ founded in Mexico in 1941 then?

    The Legion was founded in Mexico in 1941, by Marcial Maciel. He directed the congregation as its general director until made to step down in January 2005 as a result of grave scandals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Christ

    !!!

    Can’t even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?

    !!!

    The Financial Empire of the Legion of Christ

    The Millionaires of Christ
    [...]
    Just in Mexico, the congregation receives about 8 thousand million pesos (440 million US dollars) annually from supposedly philanthropic associations.
    [...]
    In reality their millions are invested in companies that manufacture arms, bombs and attack helicopters which were used to destroy villages during the Second Iraq War; they invest heavily in international beer companies and in pharmaceutical companies that make condoms (Holy Mother of God!)
    [...]
    The Legion of Christ had the political and financial backing of businessmen such as Carlos Slim [he is a multi-billionaire] and presidents such as Vicente Fox. What is more surprising still is that the support of the most powerful men in Mexico and the world remained firm even after 1997 when nine former Legionaries revealed their sexual abuse by the founder. The support continued even longer, after 2006 when the Vatican silenced Maciel.

    https://regainnetwork.org/2016/01/31/the-financial-empire-of-the-legion-of-christ/

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    Just to put this in perspective how pro-Catholic Church Manuel Ávila Camacho must have been. He became President of Mexico on December 1 1940 and the Legion of Christ was founded on January 3 1941.

    Maciel founded the Legion of Christ in 1941, with the support of Francisco González Arias, Bishop of Cuernavaca.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel#Early_life_and_training

    About that time Mexcio's population also started to rapidly expand/grow; great comment from commenter ``TG'':

    Reply to anonymous: yes Mexico had a ridiculous amount of population growth in the 1960′s.

    And it was the deliberate policy of the Mexican government that crafted this population explosion. They propagandized that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each “to make Mexico bigger and better,” they gave medals to women with large families etc. And the result is what always happens in societies without an open frontier: wages for the many were crushed and profits for the few were boosted. Mexico created a record number of billionaires, and also became so poor that it now depends on the safety valve of immigration to the US to avoid collapse.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2027597

    http://eh.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/page39.png

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility

    In other words, the continuing disastrously high fertility of sub-Saharan Africa isn’t just a product of their ancient culture, it’s a strategy that has been repeatedly urged upon African politicians by white billionaires and their journalist lackeys at Davos and elsewhere.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/

    The best example of this is Peter Sutherland, in my opinion:

    He is President of the International Catholic Migration Commission, as well as member of the Migration Advisory Board of the International Organisation for Migration.
    [...]
    Founding Director-General of The World Trade Organisation,[3]formerly GATT (1993–95), and former Chairman of Goldman Sachs International (1995–2015).
    [...]
    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275

    Richard Spencer had a funny Twitter exchange with a Regnum Christi (which was founded in 1959 by Marcial Maciel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Christi ) priest earlier this year:

    Fr Matthew Schneider‏Verified account @FrMatthewLC Mar 21

    Why do we give @RichardBSpencer so much importance?
    The NPI is tiny - a church with 200 attendees on average has a bigger budget.
     
    One commenter noted the following:

    National Bohemian‏ @EpsteinPat Mar 21
    Replying to @RichardBSpencer @FrMatthewLC

    Shocker... the vicar's measure of significance is budget size.
     
    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/844335368270991360

    Olmos tracks its founding back to Legion ally -and/or employee- José Ignacio Ávalos, who also started Un Kilo de Ayuda (one kilo of help). Compartamos’ (paradoxically, “Let us share”) capital increased 342 thousand fold in fifteen years, thanks to the Legion’s transfers and to the micro-credits (given to small enterprises) with interest rates up to 70% annual. Compartamos is a better business venture than Mexico’s Bancomer, Banamex and HSBC.
    Maciel liked to quip among his confidants that “the poor are the best business of all.” According to Olmos Compartamos and the other ventures Un Kilo de Ayuda and the Teletón are living proof that he was right: they have produced millions of dollars in donations and interest.
     
    - https://regainnetwork.org/2016/01/31/the-financial-empire-of-the-legion-of-christ/ - Olmos, R., El Imperio Financiero de los Legionarios de Cristo, una mafia empresarial disrazada de congregacion (2015), Mexico: Grijalbo.
    The Financial Empire of the Legionaries of Christ, a business mafia disguised as a religious order by Raul Olmos
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  78. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Marx & Engels said the same thing.

    Doesn’t make it wrong.

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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Yes they can, and have.

    See the Fabius - Gayssot Act, now in force in 16 European countries.

    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     
    Only Liars Want Censorship

    What part of that law requires anyone to believe anything?

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  80. MarkinLA says:
    @Colleen Pater
    Couldn't be bothered to read all the above leftist clap trap, usually conflation cherrypicking and of course left wing morality.
    Ill do him one better, why do we even tax corporations at all? They really aren't people envying their wealth is absurd, corporations get no schadenfreude from our poverty. Instead we should tax the wealth (assuming we have to have a government at all and it has to have wealth to operate both dubious assumptions) .... tax the wealth when it leaves the corporation and going into peoples possession. More on that in a sec, but first lets get something straight. When some lefty politician gets your vote by taxing a corporation hes just fucked you in your leftist ass, he knows it the corporation knows it people on the right try to warn you but you're just the sore assed lefty clueless why his asshole aches, you know why ( not that you'll hear it this time but anyway...) Because taxes to a corporation are just one of their business expenses, and you know what they do with business expenses? that right they shove them up your lefty asses by raising prices. While we are on this topic, same thing is what happens when leftys demand some new basic human right we cant afford and the politician promises it anyway them runs up the debt to give it to you or some third world brown youre holiness signalling on behalf of, and what happens is inflation, your money gets worth less, because the smart people who are tuned into realty and can do maths watch the money being printed faster than GDP and say thats fake money govt so I now want more of it for the same amount of product I sold you yesterday my gold my oil my realestate my stocks my gadgets now cost more in those fake dollars because I saw what you did with that free healthcare you charged. So again that free shit cost you in higher priced everything.

    so assuming you need a govt and it needs revenues and you dont tax the piece of paper called a corporation where do you grab the cash. well the corp has ore cash to invest and expand so it may hire more people to tax, it will also pay some some dividends which can be taxed, and its shares will rise which when sold can also be taxed its expansion will cause it to buy from other companies where all this will also happen so more revenue will roll in. And because we have zero corp taxes all the talent in the world will at the very least want to manufacture what they sell here here and have their corp headquarters here they will probably do everything they can here so even more employment to tax and wages rising and opportunity multiplying.

    Ill do him one better, why do we even tax corporations at all?

    Because if we didn’t wealthy would create private corporations to keep the wealth in the family and never pay taxes on it except the bare minimum to the family members. The corporation would own all the cars, real estate, and every vacation would be a business trip while the family members get paid just enough to buy food and pay rent to the corporation owned homes.

    Corporations also have the “right” to spend infinite amounts of money on political campaigns, it seems.

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  81. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Ávila Camacho was a professed Catholic, saying "I am a believer". Post-revolution presidents until 1940 were anticlerical.[7] During Ávila Camacho's term, the conflict between the Roman Catholic Church in Mexico and the Mexican state largely ended.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_%C3%81vila_Camacho#Church-State_conflict_ends

    Growth during the new Church-State modus vivendi, 1940–1980

    With the cessation of open conflict between Church and State beginning with the Avila Camacho presidency, the Catholic Church entered a new period of growth and consolidation. The modus vivendi was the result of both Church and State realizing that further conflict was damaging to both, and the government might have seen a better relationship with the Church as fostering legitimacy for the regime.[149] The number of functioning churches doubled during these four decades, as did the number of seminaries training Mexican priests. The number of priests tripled, which matched the growth in Mexico's population, which was rapidly urbanizing.[150]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Mexico#Growth_during_the_new_Church-State_modus_vivendi.2C_1940.E2.80.931980

    !!!

    MAX, you are so ignorant you don’t even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.
     
    !!!

    Why then did the Church have an almost 40,000-person-strong workforce in Mexico in 1980?

    http://cara.georgetown.edu/staff/webpages/mexico16d.jpg

    However, once again, a declining percentage does not mean that there are fewer weekly attenders in the pews. With population growth the number of weekly Mass attenders has grown from 36.7 million in 1980 to 42.7 million in 2013 (16% growth).

    Source: http://nineteensixty-four.blogspot.com/2016/02/key-catholic-trends-in-mexico.html

    Why did Opus Dei expand to and start operating in Mexico in 1945 then?

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/wordpressRM/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/opus-expansion-apr-16.jpg

    Source: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/

    Why was the Legion of Christ founded in Mexico in 1941 then?

    The Legion was founded in Mexico in 1941, by Marcial Maciel. He directed the congregation as its general director until made to step down in January 2005 as a result of grave scandals.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Christ

    !!!

    Can’t even get your facts straight. Ever heard of staying on topic and posting about the article?
     
    !!!

    The Financial Empire of the Legion of Christ

    The Millionaires of Christ
    [...]
    Just in Mexico, the congregation receives about 8 thousand million pesos (440 million US dollars) annually from supposedly philanthropic associations.
    [...]
    In reality their millions are invested in companies that manufacture arms, bombs and attack helicopters which were used to destroy villages during the Second Iraq War; they invest heavily in international beer companies and in pharmaceutical companies that make condoms (Holy Mother of God!)
    [...]
    The Legion of Christ had the political and financial backing of businessmen such as Carlos Slim [he is a multi-billionaire] and presidents such as Vicente Fox. What is more surprising still is that the support of the most powerful men in Mexico and the world remained firm even after 1997 when nine former Legionaries revealed their sexual abuse by the founder. The support continued even longer, after 2006 when the Vatican silenced Maciel.
     
    - https://regainnetwork.org/2016/01/31/the-financial-empire-of-the-legion-of-christ/

    Just to put this in perspective how pro-Catholic Church Manuel Ávila Camacho must have been. He became President of Mexico on December 1 1940 and the Legion of Christ was founded on January 3 1941.

    Maciel founded the Legion of Christ in 1941, with the support of Francisco González Arias, Bishop of Cuernavaca.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel#Early_life_and_training

    About that time Mexcio’s population also started to rapidly expand/grow; great comment from commenter “TG”:

    [MORE]

    Reply to anonymous: yes Mexico had a ridiculous amount of population growth in the 1960′s.

    And it was the deliberate policy of the Mexican government that crafted this population explosion. They propagandized that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each “to make Mexico bigger and better,” they gave medals to women with large families etc. And the result is what always happens in societies without an open frontier: wages for the many were crushed and profits for the few were boosted. Mexico created a record number of billionaires, and also became so poor that it now depends on the safety valve of immigration to the US to avoid collapse.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2027597

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility

    In other words, the continuing disastrously high fertility of sub-Saharan Africa isn’t just a product of their ancient culture, it’s a strategy that has been repeatedly urged upon African politicians by white billionaires and their journalist lackeys at Davos and elsewhere.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/

    The best example of this is Peter Sutherland, in my opinion:

    He is President of the International Catholic Migration Commission, as well as member of the Migration Advisory Board of the International Organisation for Migration.
    [...]
    Founding Director-General of The World Trade Organisation,[3]formerly GATT (1993–95), and former Chairman of Goldman Sachs International (1995–2015).
    [...]
    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275

    Richard Spencer had a funny Twitter exchange with a Regnum Christi (which was founded in 1959 by Marcial Maciel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Christi ) priest earlier this year:

    Fr Matthew Schneider‏Verified account @FrMatthewLC Mar 21

    Why do we give @RichardBSpencer so much importance?
    The NPI is tiny – a church with 200 attendees on average has a bigger budget.

    One commenter noted the following:

    National Bohemian‏ @EpsteinPat Mar 21
    Replying to @RichardBSpencer @FrMatthewLC

    Shocker… the vicar’s measure of significance is budget size.

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    Somehow the commenting software expanded the Twitter link above in a weird way again and put a blockquote around the last part of my comment. You can find the link and unaltered comment in my comments archive though: http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2017/10/06/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max

    Father Schneider is very excited at the moment:

    Fr Matthew Schneider‏Verified account @FrMatthewLC 7h7 hours ago

    Good news! This is finally happening. "Trump Administration Set to Roll Back Birth Control Mandate" https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/politics/trump-birth-control.html
     
    I am, obviously, not thrilled about this, to put it mildly. Oh well, you win some, you lose some:

    In 2010, the nationwide public investment in family planning services resulted in $13.6 billion in net savings [...] “$13.6 billion in net savings” a year easily pays for the Wall.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/trumps-latest-triumph-making-it-appropriate-to-worry-about-the-african-population-crisis/#comment-1840712

    I was hoping Ivanka could talk some sense into her father, but evidently Koch Brother-affiliated Mike “described himself as [...]a born-again, evangelical Catholic” Pence http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181 got the last laugh on this one. I hope Trump doesn't cave on immigration:

    If Trump joins the cuckservatives in going after Planned Parenthood’s federal funding I will oppose him. If we are lucky Ivanka Trump will persuade her father not to touch Planned Parenthood funding.

    A Trump Attack On Planned Parenthood Would Be Strategic Madness
    [...]
    – http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/12/a-trump-attack-on-planned-parenthood-would-be-strategic-madness/
     
    - https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/the-unsinkable-milo-yiannopolous/#comment-1381021

    One more try to see if this Tweet by Father Schneider expands properly this time:

    https://twitter.com/FrMatthewLC/status/844301726731685888
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  82. @Anon
    Income taxes are the only fair form of taxation.

    You are on drugs. Income taxes oppress the little people by making it difficult for them to amass meaningful wealth and security over time. If you want fairness, you need a wealth tax.

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  83. MBlanc46 says:

    It helps to start with a couple of hundred million.

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  84. bjondo says:

    taxes?

    determine what you want: public or private or volunteer military (today we have public and private with both via taxes); public or private or volunteer police, fire, emergency med. roads, bridges, water, sewage, etc? a legal system public or private or volunteer?

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  85. Parbes says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Medieval England had Robin Hood. Tsarists Russia had Grigory Kotovsky. USA has nobody. Crazy or angry people instead of going out and shooting those bloodsuckers instead go and kill completely innocent people. I have no clue why Americans need so many guns anyway if they are never used for what Founding Fathers told people would need guns. It looks like the right time.

    Exactly. Good point!

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  86. Socialism and Communism tried to fix this, and had disastrous consequences; Reaganomics and “trickle-down” were supposed to fix it, yet here we are.
    Is there a cure that isn’t worse than the disease?

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  87. @The Alarmist
    Yes, it is a real thing. But there are also rumours that the Criminal Elite extend their lives by transfusions of the blood of young virgins. I particularly like the alien reptilian theory; explains Bezos, and Prince Charles for that matter, to a tee.

    Where do they find virgins NOW?

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    P I z z a parties
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  88. Che Guava says:
    @anarchyst
    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    Henry Ford realized that paying people a decent wage would come back to reward him immensely. Of course, the wall street banksters howled in protest, stating that Ford's high wages would "destroy capitalism" as they knew it...Henry Ford mistrusted banks and knew of their destructive potential. His writings have stated as such.

    Henry Ford had a great part in establishing a "middle class" and was instrumental in helping quell the "class warfare" that was evident in other parts of the world.

    Our present "race to the bottom" with the implementation of the fraudulent H-1b visa program has made native-born Americans second-class citizens in our own country. The "pointy-headed intellectuals" in our "business schools", colleges and universities have lost sight of the fact that a well-functioning economy requires a consumer base that is able to afford the consumer products available to them. It helps to have the products produced by the very consumers that eventually purchase them...in today's business schools, the stockholder is looked upon as the one entity that must be "stroked" at all costs...the balance that is required for an economic system to flourish is ignored...a well-functioning economic system is like a three-legged stool that requires consumer/employees, investors/consumers.employees, and financial backers, also consumers,employees,investors to properly function. Take the employees out of the equation (with the siren song of cheap imports) and you have the mess that we are in today...

    Henry Ford was, of course, a genius, terribly undervalued because he was also noticing and drawing attention to others who were doing business in evil ways. His opposing their war-mongering made him even less popular with them.

    Maybe another case, also to repeating from my recent post, of rentier capitalism (NYC) vs. Henry Ford (productive capitalism)

    As said in an earlier post, Morita of Sony, and Honda of Honda, were implementing similar schemes to Ford, it is a shame that Sony’s investments in USA media (mainly after Morita’s death) make the company subject to those interests, a kind of suicide in spirit.

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  89. Che Guava says:
    @Realist
    I agree with the article. Elon Musk is the epitome of a scumbag Billionaire...living off tax payer money.

    You are very correct, my dear.

    He has a huge pile of money.

    How is he subsidized or a leach,

    let me count the ways.

    Space X is built on talent with very expensive training and experience from elsewhere.

    It is always at least largely reliant on grants and, lately, the NASA and military contracts.

    Would doubting that Musk was spending *any* of his dragonhoard on it, just a little in early days.

    Tesla (insult to its namesake), massively subsidised by California and the federal govt.

    Hyperloop, which noobody normal will ever afford to ride?

    Already huge subsidies.

    So, how to beimg a billionaire?

    Other people’s money.

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    So, how to beimg a billionaire?

    Other people’s money.
     
    More like "other people's labor and productivity".
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  90. @Che Guava
    You are very correct, my dear.

    He has a huge pile of money.

    How is he subsidized or a leach,

    let me count the ways.

    Space X is built on talent with very expensive training and experience from elsewhere.

    It is always at least largely reliant on grants and, lately, the NASA and military contracts.

    Would doubting that Musk was spending *any* of his dragonhoard on it, just a little in early days.

    Tesla (insult to its namesake), massively subsidised by California and the federal govt.

    Hyperloop, which noobody normal will ever afford to ride?

    Already huge subsidies.

    So, how to beimg a billionaire?

    Other people's money.

    So, how to beimg a billionaire?

    Other people’s money.

    More like “other people’s labor and productivity”.

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  91. Realist says:

    “Tesla (insult to its namesake), massively subsidised by California and the federal govt.”

    Yes, it is an affront to Nikola . It is also subsidized by the federal government.

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  92. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    Just to put this in perspective how pro-Catholic Church Manuel Ávila Camacho must have been. He became President of Mexico on December 1 1940 and the Legion of Christ was founded on January 3 1941.

    Maciel founded the Legion of Christ in 1941, with the support of Francisco González Arias, Bishop of Cuernavaca.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel#Early_life_and_training

    About that time Mexcio's population also started to rapidly expand/grow; great comment from commenter ``TG'':

    Reply to anonymous: yes Mexico had a ridiculous amount of population growth in the 1960′s.

    And it was the deliberate policy of the Mexican government that crafted this population explosion. They propagandized that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each “to make Mexico bigger and better,” they gave medals to women with large families etc. And the result is what always happens in societies without an open frontier: wages for the many were crushed and profits for the few were boosted. Mexico created a record number of billionaires, and also became so poor that it now depends on the safety valve of immigration to the US to avoid collapse.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2027597

    http://eh.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/page39.png

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility

    In other words, the continuing disastrously high fertility of sub-Saharan Africa isn’t just a product of their ancient culture, it’s a strategy that has been repeatedly urged upon African politicians by white billionaires and their journalist lackeys at Davos and elsewhere.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/

    The best example of this is Peter Sutherland, in my opinion:

    He is President of the International Catholic Migration Commission, as well as member of the Migration Advisory Board of the International Organisation for Migration.
    [...]
    Founding Director-General of The World Trade Organisation,[3]formerly GATT (1993–95), and former Chairman of Goldman Sachs International (1995–2015).
    [...]
    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275

    Richard Spencer had a funny Twitter exchange with a Regnum Christi (which was founded in 1959 by Marcial Maciel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Christi ) priest earlier this year:

    Fr Matthew Schneider‏Verified account @FrMatthewLC Mar 21

    Why do we give @RichardBSpencer so much importance?
    The NPI is tiny - a church with 200 attendees on average has a bigger budget.
     
    One commenter noted the following:

    National Bohemian‏ @EpsteinPat Mar 21
    Replying to @RichardBSpencer @FrMatthewLC

    Shocker... the vicar's measure of significance is budget size.
     
    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/844335368270991360

    Olmos tracks its founding back to Legion ally -and/or employee- José Ignacio Ávalos, who also started Un Kilo de Ayuda (one kilo of help). Compartamos’ (paradoxically, “Let us share”) capital increased 342 thousand fold in fifteen years, thanks to the Legion’s transfers and to the micro-credits (given to small enterprises) with interest rates up to 70% annual. Compartamos is a better business venture than Mexico’s Bancomer, Banamex and HSBC.
    Maciel liked to quip among his confidants that “the poor are the best business of all.” According to Olmos Compartamos and the other ventures Un Kilo de Ayuda and the Teletón are living proof that he was right: they have produced millions of dollars in donations and interest.
     
    - https://regainnetwork.org/2016/01/31/the-financial-empire-of-the-legion-of-christ/ - Olmos, R., El Imperio Financiero de los Legionarios de Cristo, una mafia empresarial disrazada de congregacion (2015), Mexico: Grijalbo.
    The Financial Empire of the Legionaries of Christ, a business mafia disguised as a religious order by Raul Olmos

    Somehow the commenting software expanded the Twitter link above in a weird way again and put a blockquote around the last part of my comment. You can find the link and unaltered comment in my comments archive though: http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2017/10/06/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max

    Father Schneider is very excited at the moment:

    Fr Matthew Schneider‏Verified account @FrMatthewLC 7h7 hours ago

    Good news! This is finally happening. “Trump Administration Set to Roll Back Birth Control Mandate” https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/politics/trump-birth-control.html

    I am, obviously, not thrilled about this, to put it mildly. Oh well, you win some, you lose some:

    In 2010, the nationwide public investment in family planning services resulted in $13.6 billion in net savings [...] “$13.6 billion in net savings” a year easily pays for the Wall.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/trumps-latest-triumph-making-it-appropriate-to-worry-about-the-african-population-crisis/#comment-1840712

    I was hoping Ivanka could talk some sense into her father, but evidently Koch Brother-affiliated Mike “described himself as [...]a born-again, evangelical Catholic” Pence http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181 got the last laugh on this one. I hope Trump doesn’t cave on immigration:

    If Trump joins the cuckservatives in going after Planned Parenthood’s federal funding I will oppose him. If we are lucky Ivanka Trump will persuade her father not to touch Planned Parenthood funding.

    A Trump Attack On Planned Parenthood Would Be Strategic Madness
    [...]
    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/12/a-trump-attack-on-planned-parenthood-would-be-strategic-madness/

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/the-unsinkable-milo-yiannopolous/#comment-1381021

    One more try to see if this Tweet by Father Schneider expands properly this time:

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  93. @Rosamond Vincy
    Where do they find virgins NOW?

    P I z z a parties

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  94. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    I wrote a comment yesterday, that was probably not approved because it was too long and too controversial, but I think it offers some important insights into ``how billionaires become billionaires''. Here the extremely edited down version of the comment with all the controversial parts taken out:

    FKA Max says: • Website
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    October 3, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT • 900 Words
    @Hibernian

    I wrote the following comment yesterday, but then hesitated and decided not to post it, because I didn’t want to stir up any unnecessary controversy and ruffle any feathers, but then today I saw this Tweet from Max Fisher, which made me change my mind, because I believe he is correct, and I am afraid that this type of “stark and dangerous inequality” is coming to the United States if the responsible culprits and parties are not correctly and properly identified:

    I have never seen a starker or more dangerous form of inequality than what @amandataub and I saw in Mexico


    https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/915204337172967424

    —————
    [...]

    Still my all-time favorite of Mr. Sailer’s blog posts:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect
    [...]
    We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect. But it is hardly unique to Curley. Other American mayors, but also politicians around the world, have pursued policies that encouraged emigration of their political enemies, raising poverty but gaining political advantage.

    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Another one to add to that list, the Slim Effect:

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911
    [...]
    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2022987

    WHAT IS OUR PREDICAMENT?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#1

    IF WE CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOW?
    [...]
    – http://www.population-security.org/25-CH17.html#4

    DISUNITING OF AMERICA
    [...]
    http://www.population-security.org/24-CH16.html#12
     
    More here:

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028063

    and here:

    He makes an interesting point that the drug war has pushed down labor costs in Mexico and that that is, crazily enough, a good thing from an economic/libertarian/oligarch point of view
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126

    NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=zqOpA2_CkLc

    Here an excerpt from another comment, that is still in the moderation stage, so the link will not lead to anywhere at the moment; it might or might not get approved later on though. I tried to keep the comment as uncontroversial and as short as possible: http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-mess-before-maria/#comment-2031723

    Puerto Rican origin population growth has been powered mainly by an increase in those born in the 50 states or the District of Columbia, rather than by the increasing influx of migrants from the island.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/07/PH-2014-08-11-puerto-rico-1-01.png

    Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/08/11/chapter-1-puerto-ricans-on-the-u-s-mainland/

    Overpopulation: The Ultimate Exploiter

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/08/overpopulation-the-ultimate-exploiter/

    I accidentally doubly quoted/copied and pasted this sentence in the above comment: “The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented.

    This is the very good article commenter “TG” shared:

    The Real Story on Syria: Forced Population Growth Followed by Collapse

    And here’s something else to remember: we keep hearing that nations need to grow their populations to become more powerful. People must have six children each or those evil people in Tyrannia or Fanatistan will outbreed us and conquer us! How powerful do you think that the Syrian government is now? Sure, all other things being equal God is on the side of the bigger battalions, but massively producing children that you can’t provide for is not usually the best strategy…

    It is astonishing that something so obvious, so blatant, has been effectively censored from public discussion. But of course, if it became possible to speak of how the rich forcing population growth upwards creates profits for a few and misery for the rest, why, there might be some opposition to such polices. Perhaps even worse, the rich could not coast along on their wealth claiming that mass poverty is somehow an inevitable consequence of free markets, or automation, or climate change, or socialized medicine, or rock music – instead of something that they deliberately created with malice aforethought.

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-real-story-on-syria-forced.html

    Commenter “Frau Katze” also brought this piece by Thomas Friedman to my attention again from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then:

    But also consider this: Last May 9, The Times of Israel quoted Israeli geographer Arnon Soffer as observing that in the past 60 years, the population in the Middle East has twice doubled. “There is no example of this anywhere else on earth.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/opinion/friedman-wikileaks-drought-and-syria.html

    The Assad clan are obviously billionaires:

    A former ophthalmology student, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made sure key relatives were put in prime government positions. The Guardian reported that Assad’s realizable assets stand at $1.5 billion. If this figure includes assets within Syria, which Assad and his family control, the figure would be much larger at about $122 billion. His wealth is said to come from land, energy and licenses. Assad is known to hold his cards, money and positions tightly within his inner circle.

    http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0912/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history.aspx

    Rami Makhlouf is related to the Assad family through his aunt, Anisa Makhlouf, who was the wife of the late Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.[6] His personal wealth was estimated in 2008 to be about $6 billion.[7] He was born on 10 July 1969.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Makhlouf#Background

    Interestingly, neighboring Lebanon has one of the world’s highest densities of billionaires:

    Lebanon Among The 15 Most Billionaire-dense Countries: One Billionaire For Every 586,000 Lebanese

    http://blogbaladi.com/lebanon-among-the-15-most-billionaire-dense-countries-one-billionaire-for-every-586000-lebanese/

    The Mikati (Najib & Taha) and Hariri (Saad, Ayman, Bahaa, Fahad) families are basically Lebanon’s billionaires in addition to Robert Mouawad. It is worth noting that the Hariri and Mikati families are originally from Saida and Tripoli, two of the poorest areas in Lebanon.

    The Assad family also seems to be related to the Hariri family, but they also, apparently, had Rafik Hariri assassinated, go figure!

    Tumadhir, is married to Mu’ein Nasef Kheir Bek also from the Kalabiyya tribe and related to Mohammed Nasif Kheirbek, who is indirectly related by marriage and blood to Abd al-Halim Khaddam, Rafik Hariri and the influential Homs al-Atassi family.[29]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Assad_family#Rifaat_al-Assad

    For decades the Assad family has regarded Lebanon as its fiefdom. It has manipulated political events through support of Hizbullah and been involved in the assassination of political opponents, including Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in May 2007.

    https://newint.org/columns/worldbeaters/2011/06/01/bashar-al-assad-family-syrian

    Remember Carlos Slim’s parents are from Lebanon as well, and so was his late wife: http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911

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    1 population of India

    Yr 2016
    1,326,801,576

    Yr 1952
    382,791,319

    twice doubled .


    2 Syrian President was implicated by certain powers and its slaves for the death of Harriri for same reason Saddam was implicated for WMD .
    , @FB

    '...this piece by Thomas Friedman ...from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then...'
     
    Thanks friend...but I don't need Mossad-worshiping Thomas Friedman to explain to me how the world works...[nor, for that matter, his houseboy, actor Morgan Friedman...]

    As for your theory about what 'really happened' in Syria...you link to an article that says...

    '...The Syrian government engineered a massive population explosion – even outlawing contraceptives! - and when food ran out, the government was no longer able to keep control and the centralized state collapsed...'
     
    And the actual historical facts are...

    '...During their mandate over Syria, the French banned contraception and abortion, following policies then in place in other French mandates, colonies, and protectorates, and in France itself...'
     
    Hafez Assad took power in 1970 and started to address the issue of fertility...the idea that the Syrian government during the era from 1970 to present encouraged population growth and discouraged birth control is simply standing the historical truth on its head...

    The same article I linked to says right at the start how much the birth rate has declined...

    '...Since the mid-1980s however, the birthrate has declined sharply--from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985, to 33 births per 1,000 in 1990, an average decline of 6 % per year...'

     

    As of 2009, the CIA Factbook on Syria says the contraception prevalence rate is 53.9 percent...

    https://www.cia.gov/Library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/print_sy.html

    And and total fertility rate is 2.5 children per woman which ranks 79'th in the world...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    So much for your bogus story...

    I won't even bother going into the nonsense about 'Syrian billionaires' and the Israel-friendly Hariri oligarchs being somehow connected to their bitter enemy, the Assads...

    Your entire post is an example of blatantly fake narratives about Syria...
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  95. AZAZEL says:

    I wonder what will happen when the brightest of the working class will stop reproducing , choosing not to leave an offspring who will be viciously exploited and mocked at by the system as well???? To whom are the going to sell and who is going to do demanding chores (ie hi-tech realm jobs). That is going to create a very fast depreciation of their fortunes. Right? I will enjoy it from the world beyond……. Enough is enough with the horse shit they feed the people.

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  96. diqiuren says:
    @The Alarmist
    The Chinese have the good sense to take the more egregious violators and shoot them, which goes a long way toward improving social cohesion. We might consider the same. We might not see Bezos or Dimon in the dock, but ten or twenty next-level-down types from Goldman Sachs, JPM, or Wells Fargo would be a good start.

    Little do you know of the Chinese. Executions are done to people who cannot pay their way out of trouble. The execution bullets are paid by the family of the executed. Tho’ the current president is trying to change things, he has to undo and replace a centuries old system of “guanxi” what we would call ‘special relationships’. How do I know? I lived their from 2002 to 2016, and I had guanxi as well, enough to get foreigners out of prison they deserved but a Chinese prison is an upgrade of the notorious “Bangkok Hilton”.
    Most Chinese control themselves through their understanding of the great philosophers Loazi (Lao Tsu), Kongzi (Confucius) and Buddha. Chinese people do not get involved in the affairs of others outside their extended families. And despite internal family conflicts they support each other materially. Some one in the family will have the relationships to get a family member out of trouble. Police are there for themselves and government, not for the people, so Chinese people are very self controlled and by positive actions and being polite to every one, they live a very stable life in huge numbers we outside China could not imagine.
    Yes, there is civil disobedience and group panic but there is a group that generally polices for the population, They keep the peace, find criminals and murderers and hand them over to the Police who extract money out of them, or get bribed by them, to be released, or send them to labour camps/prisons where some may have their organs removed. But you have to be quite a low level criminal to be subject to involuntary organ removal, or belong to an outlawed group. But it’s very clear in China as to what can get you in trouble. Many longer term expatriates say China is a very safe country which it is because it’s so obvious what will get you into trouble.
    Executions has nothing to do with social cohesion, it’s all about building pro-survival relationships which the Chinese all must do in order to live the good life, or via a family, or an extended family, member who have the right relationships. The Chinese love and need for gold is for a time when “relationships” become useless.

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  97. @Wally
    Do tell, what's your problem with Libertarians? Be specific.
    No weasel words.

    They’re low T autistic losers obsessed with their “principles”.

    The reducto ad absurdum of the pathetic conservative movement.

    Many of us were once libertarians, but those of us with some spine became alt-right.

    The fact there are still libertarians is weird–like viewing some fossil.

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  98. Joe Wong says:
    @Anon

    White, Chinese and Indian multi-millionaires exploit Afro-American, Latin American, Vietnamese and Filipino workers.
     
    high iq ppl r bad ppl

    If the vast majority of the American people do not buy into and actively support the current political, economic, financial, and social systems, the billionaires, elites and the 1% won’t be where they are today. The majority of the greedy, abusive and expolitive 1% and billionaires come from the ordinary American people and the tools like the police, armed forces, officials, security agents, lawyers, etc. used by the billionaires and 1% are formed by the ordinary Americans. Blaming all the ills and suffering the author described in the US on the billionaires is simply irresponsible and ignoring their tools and the vast majority of the American people are the willing partners. Exonerating the willing partners as hapless victims is legitimizing morally defunct dog-eat-dog society in the United States, and allowing the billionaires, 1% and their tools continue their crimes burden free morally.

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    You have some reasonable points, but everyday Americans are not billionaires. A stunning amount of 'American' billionaires are actually foreign nationals that have emigrated to the United States either for leisure or as an evil lair of sorts. Look at the guy who made the video game minecraft - a Scandinavian - who now lives in California. Most billionaires are not innocent like him though. There are a few Israeli billionaires that reside or have dual (or more) citizenship that have been using their influence to further secure their wealth and political goals in the Middle East. I am sure some Saudis do likewise. So, many 'american' billionaires are NOT true Americans.

    Secondly, the American billionaires who made their wealth in America often have their own hidden motives. We all know that Zuckerberg seems to be doing some political posturing in the possible event of a presidential run or democrat-presidency cabinet appointment. These people aren't looking to make life for Americans better, they are looking to mold society to their own philosophical ideals. They want to be puppet masters.

    Thirdly, look at the Koch brothers. Have they done good "philanthropic" deeds? Of course, I dont doubt they have had a positive impact somewhere with all the money they have given to medical research and academic institutions. A question lingers though - why is our own government not funding these? Because our own government is messing around trying to earn temporary votes at the expense of what is best in the long run. They are spending money on Medicaid instead of investing in stem cells... yada yada yada
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  99. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Government has made the billboares .These are not self made . Neither was those so called baron robbers and are neither today’s tech giants .

    The book below doesn’t go far enough .

    ‘ As Mr Srinivasan observes , American capitalism has always had a strong input from the state: the tariff that shielded industry in the 19 th century ;the military expenditure that helped develop radio,satellite and the internet ; farm subsidy ; the federal guarantee for bank deposit and home loan ; and so on . “ it was an endless calibrated balance between state subsidy,social program, government contracts , regulation, free will,entrepreneurship and free markets “.
    Americana: 400 Year History of American Capitalism . By Bhu Srinivasan .

    Economists Book Review.

    Ron Paul fails to correct this symbiosis
    between Gov and Rich

    No where in the world rich has come out of a base not created and not supported by Gov

    These made possible usually through some pre existing connections .

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    Well of course - even patents are government involvement. So some of it is good and some of it is bad.

    Which is which? It depends on whose ox is gored.
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  100. KA says:
    @FKA Max
    I accidentally doubly quoted/copied and pasted this sentence in the above comment: ``The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented.''

    This is the very good article commenter ``TG'' shared:

    The Real Story on Syria: Forced Population Growth Followed by Collapse

    And here’s something else to remember: we keep hearing that nations need to grow their populations to become more powerful. People must have six children each or those evil people in Tyrannia or Fanatistan will outbreed us and conquer us! How powerful do you think that the Syrian government is now? Sure, all other things being equal God is on the side of the bigger battalions, but massively producing children that you can’t provide for is not usually the best strategy…

    It is astonishing that something so obvious, so blatant, has been effectively censored from public discussion. But of course, if it became possible to speak of how the rich forcing population growth upwards creates profits for a few and misery for the rest, why, there might be some opposition to such polices. Perhaps even worse, the rich could not coast along on their wealth claiming that mass poverty is somehow an inevitable consequence of free markets, or automation, or climate change, or socialized medicine, or rock music - instead of something that they deliberately created with malice aforethought.
     
    - http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-real-story-on-syria-forced.html

    Commenter ``Frau Katze'' also brought this piece by Thomas Friedman to my attention again from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then:

    But also consider this: Last May 9, The Times of Israel quoted Israeli geographer Arnon Soffer as observing that in the past 60 years, the population in the Middle East has twice doubled. “There is no example of this anywhere else on earth.”
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/opinion/friedman-wikileaks-drought-and-syria.html

    The Assad clan are obviously billionaires:

    A former ophthalmology student, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made sure key relatives were put in prime government positions. The Guardian reported that Assad's realizable assets stand at $1.5 billion. If this figure includes assets within Syria, which Assad and his family control, the figure would be much larger at about $122 billion. His wealth is said to come from land, energy and licenses. Assad is known to hold his cards, money and positions tightly within his inner circle.
     
    - http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0912/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history.aspx

    Rami Makhlouf is related to the Assad family through his aunt, Anisa Makhlouf, who was the wife of the late Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.[6] His personal wealth was estimated in 2008 to be about $6 billion.[7] He was born on 10 July 1969.[8]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Makhlouf#Background

    Interestingly, neighboring Lebanon has one of the world's highest densities of billionaires:

    Lebanon Among The 15 Most Billionaire-dense Countries: One Billionaire For Every 586,000 Lebanese
    http://blogbaladi.com/lebanon-among-the-15-most-billionaire-dense-countries-one-billionaire-for-every-586000-lebanese/

    The Mikati (Najib & Taha) and Hariri (Saad, Ayman, Bahaa, Fahad) families are basically Lebanon’s billionaires in addition to Robert Mouawad. It is worth noting that the Hariri and Mikati families are originally from Saida and Tripoli, two of the poorest areas in Lebanon.
     
    http://www.plus961.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lebanese-billionaires.jpg

    The Assad family also seems to be related to the Hariri family, but they also, apparently, had Rafik Hariri assassinated, go figure!

    Tumadhir, is married to Mu'ein Nasef Kheir Bek also from the Kalabiyya tribe and related to Mohammed Nasif Kheirbek, who is indirectly related by marriage and blood to Abd al-Halim Khaddam, Rafik Hariri and the influential Homs al-Atassi family.[29]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Assad_family#Rifaat_al-Assad

    For decades the Assad family has regarded Lebanon as its fiefdom. It has manipulated political events through support of Hizbullah and been involved in the assassination of political opponents, including Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in May 2007.
     
    - https://newint.org/columns/worldbeaters/2011/06/01/bashar-al-assad-family-syrian

    Remember Carlos Slim's parents are from Lebanon as well, and so was his late wife: http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911

    1 population of India

    Yr 2016
    1,326,801,576

    Yr 1952
    382,791,319

    twice doubled .

    2 Syrian President was implicated by certain powers and its slaves for the death of Harriri for same reason Saddam was implicated for WMD .

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  101. MarkinLA says:
    @anon
    Government has made the billboares .These are not self made . Neither was those so called baron robbers and are neither today’s tech giants .

    The book below doesn’t go far enough .


    ‘ As Mr Srinivasan observes , American capitalism has always had a strong input from the state: the tariff that shielded industry in the 19 th century ;the military expenditure that helped develop radio,satellite and the internet ; farm subsidy ; the federal guarantee for bank deposit and home loan ; and so on . “ it was an endless calibrated balance between state subsidy,social program, government contracts , regulation, free will,entrepreneurship and free markets “.
    Americana: 400 Year History of American Capitalism . By Bhu Srinivasan .

    Economists Book Review.

    Ron Paul fails to correct this symbiosis
    between Gov and Rich

    No where in the world rich has come out of a base not created and not supported by Gov

    These made possible usually through some pre existing connections .

    Well of course – even patents are government involvement. So some of it is good and some of it is bad.

    Which is which? It depends on whose ox is gored.

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  102. FB says:

    Amazing to read these comments…

    How dare anyone attack the billionaire oligarch parasites…?

    How dare anyone stick up for Joe Lunchpail…?

    I guess all of y’all are at least millionaires…

    Or more likely wannabe millionaires that don’t actually own a pot to piss in…[it's mortgaged, so the bank owns it...]

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  103. FB says:
    @FKA Max
    I accidentally doubly quoted/copied and pasted this sentence in the above comment: ``The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented.''

    This is the very good article commenter ``TG'' shared:

    The Real Story on Syria: Forced Population Growth Followed by Collapse

    And here’s something else to remember: we keep hearing that nations need to grow their populations to become more powerful. People must have six children each or those evil people in Tyrannia or Fanatistan will outbreed us and conquer us! How powerful do you think that the Syrian government is now? Sure, all other things being equal God is on the side of the bigger battalions, but massively producing children that you can’t provide for is not usually the best strategy…

    It is astonishing that something so obvious, so blatant, has been effectively censored from public discussion. But of course, if it became possible to speak of how the rich forcing population growth upwards creates profits for a few and misery for the rest, why, there might be some opposition to such polices. Perhaps even worse, the rich could not coast along on their wealth claiming that mass poverty is somehow an inevitable consequence of free markets, or automation, or climate change, or socialized medicine, or rock music - instead of something that they deliberately created with malice aforethought.
     
    - http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-real-story-on-syria-forced.html

    Commenter ``Frau Katze'' also brought this piece by Thomas Friedman to my attention again from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then:

    But also consider this: Last May 9, The Times of Israel quoted Israeli geographer Arnon Soffer as observing that in the past 60 years, the population in the Middle East has twice doubled. “There is no example of this anywhere else on earth.”
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/opinion/friedman-wikileaks-drought-and-syria.html

    The Assad clan are obviously billionaires:

    A former ophthalmology student, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made sure key relatives were put in prime government positions. The Guardian reported that Assad's realizable assets stand at $1.5 billion. If this figure includes assets within Syria, which Assad and his family control, the figure would be much larger at about $122 billion. His wealth is said to come from land, energy and licenses. Assad is known to hold his cards, money and positions tightly within his inner circle.
     
    - http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0912/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history.aspx

    Rami Makhlouf is related to the Assad family through his aunt, Anisa Makhlouf, who was the wife of the late Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.[6] His personal wealth was estimated in 2008 to be about $6 billion.[7] He was born on 10 July 1969.[8]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Makhlouf#Background

    Interestingly, neighboring Lebanon has one of the world's highest densities of billionaires:

    Lebanon Among The 15 Most Billionaire-dense Countries: One Billionaire For Every 586,000 Lebanese
    http://blogbaladi.com/lebanon-among-the-15-most-billionaire-dense-countries-one-billionaire-for-every-586000-lebanese/

    The Mikati (Najib & Taha) and Hariri (Saad, Ayman, Bahaa, Fahad) families are basically Lebanon’s billionaires in addition to Robert Mouawad. It is worth noting that the Hariri and Mikati families are originally from Saida and Tripoli, two of the poorest areas in Lebanon.
     
    http://www.plus961.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lebanese-billionaires.jpg

    The Assad family also seems to be related to the Hariri family, but they also, apparently, had Rafik Hariri assassinated, go figure!

    Tumadhir, is married to Mu'ein Nasef Kheir Bek also from the Kalabiyya tribe and related to Mohammed Nasif Kheirbek, who is indirectly related by marriage and blood to Abd al-Halim Khaddam, Rafik Hariri and the influential Homs al-Atassi family.[29]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Assad_family#Rifaat_al-Assad

    For decades the Assad family has regarded Lebanon as its fiefdom. It has manipulated political events through support of Hizbullah and been involved in the assassination of political opponents, including Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in May 2007.
     
    - https://newint.org/columns/worldbeaters/2011/06/01/bashar-al-assad-family-syrian

    Remember Carlos Slim's parents are from Lebanon as well, and so was his late wife: http://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2020911

    ‘…this piece by Thomas Friedman …from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then…’

    Thanks friend…but I don’t need Mossad-worshiping Thomas Friedman to explain to me how the world works…[nor, for that matter, his houseboy, actor Morgan Friedman...]

    As for your theory about what ‘really happened’ in Syria…you link to an article that says…

    ‘…The Syrian government engineered a massive population explosion – even outlawing contraceptives! – and when food ran out, the government was no longer able to keep control and the centralized state collapsed…’

    And the actual historical facts are…

    ‘…During their mandate over Syria, the French banned contraception and abortion, following policies then in place in other French mandates, colonies, and protectorates, and in France itself…’

    Hafez Assad took power in 1970 and started to address the issue of fertility…the idea that the Syrian government during the era from 1970 to present encouraged population growth and discouraged birth control is simply standing the historical truth on its head…

    The same article I linked to says right at the start how much the birth rate has declined…

    ‘…Since the mid-1980s however, the birthrate has declined sharply–from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985, to 33 births per 1,000 in 1990, an average decline of 6 % per year…’

    As of 2009, the CIA Factbook on Syria says the contraception prevalence rate is 53.9 percent…

    https://www.cia.gov/Library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/print_sy.html

    And and total fertility rate is 2.5 children per woman which ranks 79′th in the world…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    So much for your bogus story…

    I won’t even bother going into the nonsense about ‘Syrian billionaires’ and the Israel-friendly Hariri oligarchs being somehow connected to their bitter enemy, the Assads…

    Your entire post is an example of blatantly fake narratives about Syria…

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    You might want to have a look at this paper before you dismiss all the information I shared outright:

    Rapid Population Growth and the Fertility Policies of the Arab Countries of the Middle East and North Africa
    Onn Winckler
    University of Haifa

    Until the mid-1970s, the Syrian government did not advocate a family planning policy; instead, it strove to increase fertility rates by providing financial benefits to large families and forbidding the promotion, distribution, or use of birth control methods (Habbab 1974), largely out of the conviction that the Syrian population was small in comparison with the economic needs and political aspira- tions of the country.

    It appears that the combination of two factors is to blame for the delay. The first was the sensitivity of family planning in traditional Islamic societies and the strong opposition of the Islamic fundamen- talist movements to any anti-natalist measures.

    The second reason for the delay was the Arab-Israeli conflict, particularly in the cases of Egypt and Syria. The longstanding con- flicts led the regimes of these countries to allocate scarce resources to military purposes, and away from socioeconomic problems (such as rapid population growth). - http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.603.9965&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    I also never claimed to be an expert on (billionaire) clan rivalries in Syria/Lebanon, that is why I used a word like ``apparently'' and a phrase like ``go figure'' in my comment.

    I don't know how credible and reliable all the sources that I cite are. The one article that claims that Rafic Hariri was killed `` in May 2007'', for example, can't be too trustworthy or too well researched since Hariri was killed on Valentine's Day 2005, according to Wikipedia.

    Thank you for your feedback. I like to be challenged on my claims and assumptions, because I want to find out what the truth is.

    http://www.mei.edu/sites/default/files/Demographic%20Growth%20in%20Syria%20by%20District%2C%201994_2004.JPG

    Fifty years ago, when Alawis experienced higher poverty and illiteracy rates, their fertility rate was also high, but it fell sharply as access to education and administrative jobs increased. Moreover, the Alawis, unlike the Sunnis, are not compelled to have a male descendant. While the Alawi fertility rate has fallen, that of their Sunni counterparts remains above three children per woman, even in higher social classes.[4] This demographic decline challenges the power relationships within Syrian society.

    Source: http://www.mei.edu/content/map/alawi-community-and-syria-crisis
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  104. Fred9 says:

    Great piece.

    1. I listened to Jesse Ventura, former governor of Minnesota, on the Joe Rogan podcast. He praised Mexican people as hard workers, which under some circumstances is true. I know what the people on farms endure. I myself just saw some Mexican folks doing some gardening for the city in the blistering heat a few months ago. However, this work is so overhyped. We only have a “need” for these laborers because the population of the United States is so large. Russia has half our population and no Mexicans at all…

    2. I don’t see myself aligning with all other Middle society people in a sort of class war or union. Truth is, I think the middle class has some despicable problems that can’t be fixed, just like the lower class is violent and loud. The middle class is often uncultured and manufactured. They prefer to be used as replaceable workers instead of becoming their own boss. However, through some relatives I have at times been exposed to “high society”. My uncle is CEO of a firm which oversaw the construction of an internationally reknown art museum, which in itself was an engineering feat of art. I often admired the company which part of my extended, high class family was surrounded by, but I was turned off by their pompous sense of self worth. Therefor I think my ideal would be in allignment with individuals like Peter Thiel or other quasi-libertarians who respect the middle class, but realize some people are just better suited to rule than others.

    3. I view this piece as a western version of denouncing oligarchs. In Russia, the oligarchs seized state assets for their own gain during the capitulation of the Soviet Union. This led to a practical theft of public wealth. In this article, we see the striking similarities that western billionaires have used. They have replaced our heritage with that of unruly immigrants. And I don’t even think the immigrants are that bad of people… compared to the unchained thugs of the inner cities, who became empowered under Obama’s complacency to black race riots.

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  105. Fred9 says:
    @Joe Wong
    If the vast majority of the American people do not buy into and actively support the current political, economic, financial, and social systems, the billionaires, elites and the 1% won't be where they are today. The majority of the greedy, abusive and expolitive 1% and billionaires come from the ordinary American people and the tools like the police, armed forces, officials, security agents, lawyers, etc. used by the billionaires and 1% are formed by the ordinary Americans. Blaming all the ills and suffering the author described in the US on the billionaires is simply irresponsible and ignoring their tools and the vast majority of the American people are the willing partners. Exonerating the willing partners as hapless victims is legitimizing morally defunct dog-eat-dog society in the United States, and allowing the billionaires, 1% and their tools continue their crimes burden free morally.

    You have some reasonable points, but everyday Americans are not billionaires. A stunning amount of ‘American’ billionaires are actually foreign nationals that have emigrated to the United States either for leisure or as an evil lair of sorts. Look at the guy who made the video game minecraft – a Scandinavian – who now lives in California. Most billionaires are not innocent like him though. There are a few Israeli billionaires that reside or have dual (or more) citizenship that have been using their influence to further secure their wealth and political goals in the Middle East. I am sure some Saudis do likewise. So, many ‘american’ billionaires are NOT true Americans.

    Secondly, the American billionaires who made their wealth in America often have their own hidden motives. We all know that Zuckerberg seems to be doing some political posturing in the possible event of a presidential run or democrat-presidency cabinet appointment. These people aren’t looking to make life for Americans better, they are looking to mold society to their own philosophical ideals. They want to be puppet masters.

    Thirdly, look at the Koch brothers. Have they done good “philanthropic” deeds? Of course, I dont doubt they have had a positive impact somewhere with all the money they have given to medical research and academic institutions. A question lingers though – why is our own government not funding these? Because our own government is messing around trying to earn temporary votes at the expense of what is best in the long run. They are spending money on Medicaid instead of investing in stem cells… yada yada yada

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    Your comment is quite balanced and insightful...and I am glad to hear your praise [and sensible critique] for the Prof. Petras article...

    '...Truth is, I think the middle class has some despicable problems that can’t be fixed, just like the lower class is violent and loud. The middle class is often uncultured and manufactured. They prefer to be used as replaceable workers instead of becoming their own boss...'
     
    It would be very difficult to argue with this...and your take on the wealthy class is spot on too, at least with regards my own firsthand observations...

    But this brings me to your response to Joe Wong...@ 105...

    I think you perhaps missed his point, which it must be said, was not articulated as precisely as it could have been...here is the salient part of his message...

    '...If the vast majority of the American people do not buy into and actively support the current political, economic, financial, and social systems, the billionaires, elites and the 1% won't be where they are today...'
     
    I think this is a very powerful truth that goes to the heart of the matter...ie it is the 'ordinary' class in America that is directly to blame for the raw deal they are getting...

    And when I say 'ordinary' class I mean the bottom 80 or 90 percent...this is the class that likes to think of themselves as 'middle class'...or at least that part above the 'bottom half'...

    This is where the problem is...it is worth remembering that there are only two real classes in society...the lender class and the debtor class...

    The top 10 percent are the lender class...they do not necessarily need to be millionaires, but they are debt-free and have money in the bank...which is then loaned to the bottom 80 or 90 percent...

    Below about the 80'th percentile, and above the poverty line we have, broadly, the so-called middle class...they do not own their own homes if they still have a mortgage...for most people that means well into retirement age...at which point many may not even be around for much longer...

    The fact that we have such things as 'reverse mortgages' whereby elderly people who own their home outright, decide to live out their remaining days acquiring the things they have denied themselves for so long...by actually signing away the only 'capital' they have attained in their life-long struggle...the roof over their heads...

    So when Joe Wong says that it is the ordinary folks' fault...he is right...I see that by a number of baffling comments here that vehemently attack the professor's article...

    Yet as I have stated previously, I would bet that most [if not all] of these commenters are actually firmly in the debtor class...

    They are the ones who are getting a raw deal...yet paradoxically, they are the ones who are most vocal in the support of the scam ideology that keeps them down...

    They have been indoctrinated to knee-jerk reactions against the 'government' as the main problem in their unfulfilled economic condition...

    And conversely, to provide equal knee-jerk reactions in favor of the wealthy...of which they are not a part, but somehow believe the lie that the 'system' as it stands now is their best bet of getting there...

    It is not only on message boards like this that this 'sheep lunging at the butcher's knife' phenomenon is rampant...

    Every election season, I am amazed to see as I drive around that in the poorest 'middle-class' areas where the 'little pink houses' prevail...the lawn signs are almost uniformly for the party of the wealthy...which promotes the scam that 'cutting taxes' is going to somehow benefit those at the bottom of the food chain, like themselves...

    But in the more prosperous, truly middle-class part of town, the opposite is true...here we see support for heaven forbid, the 'socialist' leaning candidates...[and less support for the party of the rich...]

    Consider the author of this article...he is a retired professor which is a highly paid profession with great retirement benefits...he surely does not owe any bank anything and has been living quite comfortably for quite some time...in fact he is probably a member of the top 10 or 20 percent...

    The fact that he is advocating for a revamped social compact that would benefit the majority of ordinary folks is therefore credible on its face...because certainly these changes are not going to benefit him, but they will benefit many who are not as fortunate...
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  106. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB

    '...this piece by Thomas Friedman ...from back in 2014, which I vaguely remember reading back then...'
     
    Thanks friend...but I don't need Mossad-worshiping Thomas Friedman to explain to me how the world works...[nor, for that matter, his houseboy, actor Morgan Friedman...]

    As for your theory about what 'really happened' in Syria...you link to an article that says...

    '...The Syrian government engineered a massive population explosion – even outlawing contraceptives! - and when food ran out, the government was no longer able to keep control and the centralized state collapsed...'
     
    And the actual historical facts are...

    '...During their mandate over Syria, the French banned contraception and abortion, following policies then in place in other French mandates, colonies, and protectorates, and in France itself...'
     
    Hafez Assad took power in 1970 and started to address the issue of fertility...the idea that the Syrian government during the era from 1970 to present encouraged population growth and discouraged birth control is simply standing the historical truth on its head...

    The same article I linked to says right at the start how much the birth rate has declined...

    '...Since the mid-1980s however, the birthrate has declined sharply--from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985, to 33 births per 1,000 in 1990, an average decline of 6 % per year...'

     

    As of 2009, the CIA Factbook on Syria says the contraception prevalence rate is 53.9 percent...

    https://www.cia.gov/Library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/print_sy.html

    And and total fertility rate is 2.5 children per woman which ranks 79'th in the world...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    So much for your bogus story...

    I won't even bother going into the nonsense about 'Syrian billionaires' and the Israel-friendly Hariri oligarchs being somehow connected to their bitter enemy, the Assads...

    Your entire post is an example of blatantly fake narratives about Syria...

    You might want to have a look at this paper before you dismiss all the information I shared outright:

    Rapid Population Growth and the Fertility Policies of the Arab Countries of the Middle East and North Africa
    Onn Winckler
    University of Haifa

    Until the mid-1970s, the Syrian government did not advocate a family planning policy; instead, it strove to increase fertility rates by providing financial benefits to large families and forbidding the promotion, distribution, or use of birth control methods (Habbab 1974), largely out of the conviction that the Syrian population was small in comparison with the economic needs and political aspira- tions of the country.

    It appears that the combination of two factors is to blame for the delay. The first was the sensitivity of family planning in traditional Islamic societies and the strong opposition of the Islamic fundamen- talist movements to any anti-natalist measures.

    The second reason for the delay was the Arab-Israeli conflict, particularly in the cases of Egypt and Syria. The longstanding con- flicts led the regimes of these countries to allocate scarce resources to military purposes, and away from socioeconomic problems (such as rapid population growth).http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.603.9965&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    I also never claimed to be an expert on (billionaire) clan rivalries in Syria/Lebanon, that is why I used a word like “apparently” and a phrase like “go figure” in my comment.

    I don’t know how credible and reliable all the sources that I cite are. The one article that claims that Rafic Hariri was killed “ in May 2007”, for example, can’t be too trustworthy or too well researched since Hariri was killed on Valentine’s Day 2005, according to Wikipedia.

    Thank you for your feedback. I like to be challenged on my claims and assumptions, because I want to find out what the truth is.

    Fifty years ago, when Alawis experienced higher poverty and illiteracy rates, their fertility rate was also high, but it fell sharply as access to education and administrative jobs increased. Moreover, the Alawis, unlike the Sunnis, are not compelled to have a male descendant. While the Alawi fertility rate has fallen, that of their Sunni counterparts remains above three children per woman, even in higher social classes.[4] This demographic decline challenges the power relationships within Syrian society.

    Source: http://www.mei.edu/content/map/alawi-community-and-syria-crisis

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    That paper you linked to is from the University of Haifa, Israel...

    I will prefer to consider scholarship on Syria from non-hostile countries...

    The quote about 'forbidding' birth control is not original to that paper you linked to but is footnoted as being sourced to a paper by one 'Habbab, Adnan. 1974...'

    The paper is called...

    Family planning in the Syrian Arab Republic, paper presented at the First Regional Population Conference of ECWA, Beirut, February 18 – March 1.
     
    A search for this paper returns absolutely no results...which tells me that it is some obscure paper that was never taken seriously by anyone...

    Hence, the 'evidence' you present cannot be taken to exist, since it is not available...

    I gave a citation from sources that are well known and credible...

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/2133259?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    That paper is still available for purchase and the link I give presents the first page...from which I quoted...and it directly contradicts the bogus scenario outlined by that Israeli 'scholar' to which you linked...

    This paper states near the end of the first page that by 1970, those who had encouraged population growth previously began to be concerned...'

    That year 1970 was of course when Hafez Assad came to power...

    Furthermore...another credible paper from 1986 completely contradicts the notion that contraceptives were 'forbidden'...as that non-existent paper cited by the Israeli author you linked to would have us believe...

    Syrian women state high fertility desires, a high preference for sons and a low use of contraception despite widespread contraceptive knowledge...
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12280551

    Clearly there was a policy for education for women on contraceptives by 1985 when this paper was presented...which directly contradicts the demonstrably false idea that contraceptives were 'forbidden'...

    Incidentally...the word 'forbidden' is not a scholarly term...it does not imply against the law...it could well imply 'forbidden' by social or religious norms outside the scope of government control...

    And again from the very first paragraph of that Courbage paper I linked to above...

    'From the mid 1980s the birth rate has fallen sharply, from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985 to 33 per 1,000 in 1990.'
     
    That's a drop in birth rate of 25 percent in just the space of five years...

    So I don't see what you are trying to argue...the evidence is clear that starting in the mid-1980s the Syrian birth rate began falling...that is 25 years before the Syrian crisis in 2011...

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian 'civil war' of this decade...'...it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources...'

    This bogus narrative is conflated by trying to hoodwink the fact that pre-Assad Syria did have a very high birth rate...and that contraceptives were forbidden in the pre WW2 French rule...

    Today the Syrian birthrate is right at the world median of 2.5...about 70'th to 80'th in the world by country...so how did it get there if the Syrian govt of the Assads were encouraging population growth and forbidding contraception...?

    It is absurd on its face and I stand by my original assertion that the article you originally linked to was pure invention...
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  107. FB says:
    @FKA Max
    You might want to have a look at this paper before you dismiss all the information I shared outright:

    Rapid Population Growth and the Fertility Policies of the Arab Countries of the Middle East and North Africa
    Onn Winckler
    University of Haifa

    Until the mid-1970s, the Syrian government did not advocate a family planning policy; instead, it strove to increase fertility rates by providing financial benefits to large families and forbidding the promotion, distribution, or use of birth control methods (Habbab 1974), largely out of the conviction that the Syrian population was small in comparison with the economic needs and political aspira- tions of the country.

    It appears that the combination of two factors is to blame for the delay. The first was the sensitivity of family planning in traditional Islamic societies and the strong opposition of the Islamic fundamen- talist movements to any anti-natalist measures.

    The second reason for the delay was the Arab-Israeli conflict, particularly in the cases of Egypt and Syria. The longstanding con- flicts led the regimes of these countries to allocate scarce resources to military purposes, and away from socioeconomic problems (such as rapid population growth). - http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.603.9965&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    I also never claimed to be an expert on (billionaire) clan rivalries in Syria/Lebanon, that is why I used a word like ``apparently'' and a phrase like ``go figure'' in my comment.

    I don't know how credible and reliable all the sources that I cite are. The one article that claims that Rafic Hariri was killed `` in May 2007'', for example, can't be too trustworthy or too well researched since Hariri was killed on Valentine's Day 2005, according to Wikipedia.

    Thank you for your feedback. I like to be challenged on my claims and assumptions, because I want to find out what the truth is.

    http://www.mei.edu/sites/default/files/Demographic%20Growth%20in%20Syria%20by%20District%2C%201994_2004.JPG

    Fifty years ago, when Alawis experienced higher poverty and illiteracy rates, their fertility rate was also high, but it fell sharply as access to education and administrative jobs increased. Moreover, the Alawis, unlike the Sunnis, are not compelled to have a male descendant. While the Alawi fertility rate has fallen, that of their Sunni counterparts remains above three children per woman, even in higher social classes.[4] This demographic decline challenges the power relationships within Syrian society.

    Source: http://www.mei.edu/content/map/alawi-community-and-syria-crisis

    That paper you linked to is from the University of Haifa, Israel…

    I will prefer to consider scholarship on Syria from non-hostile countries…

    The quote about ‘forbidding’ birth control is not original to that paper you linked to but is footnoted as being sourced to a paper by one ‘Habbab, Adnan. 1974…’

    The paper is called…

    Family planning in the Syrian Arab Republic, paper presented at the First Regional Population Conference of ECWA, Beirut, February 18 – March 1.

    A search for this paper returns absolutely no results…which tells me that it is some obscure paper that was never taken seriously by anyone…

    Hence, the ‘evidence’ you present cannot be taken to exist, since it is not available…

    I gave a citation from sources that are well known and credible…

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/2133259?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    That paper is still available for purchase and the link I give presents the first page…from which I quoted…and it directly contradicts the bogus scenario outlined by that Israeli ‘scholar’ to which you linked…

    This paper states near the end of the first page that by 1970, those who had encouraged population growth previously began to be concerned…’

    That year 1970 was of course when Hafez Assad came to power…

    Furthermore…another credible paper from 1986 completely contradicts the notion that contraceptives were ‘forbidden’…as that non-existent paper cited by the Israeli author you linked to would have us believe…

    Syrian women state high fertility desires, a high preference for sons and a low use of contraception despite widespread contraceptive knowledge…

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12280551

    Clearly there was a policy for education for women on contraceptives by 1985 when this paper was presented…which directly contradicts the demonstrably false idea that contraceptives were ‘forbidden’…

    Incidentally…the word ‘forbidden’ is not a scholarly term…it does not imply against the law…it could well imply ‘forbidden’ by social or religious norms outside the scope of government control…

    And again from the very first paragraph of that Courbage paper I linked to above…

    ‘From the mid 1980s the birth rate has fallen sharply, from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985 to 33 per 1,000 in 1990.’

    That’s a drop in birth rate of 25 percent in just the space of five years…

    So I don’t see what you are trying to argue…the evidence is clear that starting in the mid-1980s the Syrian birth rate began falling…that is 25 years before the Syrian crisis in 2011…

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian ‘civil war’ of this decade…’…it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources…’

    This bogus narrative is conflated by trying to hoodwink the fact that pre-Assad Syria did have a very high birth rate…and that contraceptives were forbidden in the pre WW2 French rule…

    Today the Syrian birthrate is right at the world median of 2.5…about 70′th to 80′th in the world by country…so how did it get there if the Syrian govt of the Assads were encouraging population growth and forbidding contraception…?

    It is absurd on its face and I stand by my original assertion that the article you originally linked to was pure invention…

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    You make many good and convincing points, but to claim the following, is not convincing to me:

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian ‘civil war’ of this decade…’…it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources…’

    I don't know if you have heard of the ``Youth bulge'' theory of conflict before?

    The Demographic Pyramid Points Toward Revolution In Syria

    The underlying forces behind the Arab Spring are complex and vary from country to country. But a key factor is demographics, as a glance at the population pyramids below suggests.


    A common denominator of the five is an aging ruling party unable to control a population bulge of young adults afflicted by high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, an absence of political freedoms and generally poor living conditions.

    https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/2012/pyramid-Syria-Assad.gif

    Syria's Bashar al-Assad is the youngest of the five rules depicted in the charts above. But therein lies a story. He inherited the presidency in 2000, after the Syrian parliament amended the constitution within 48 hours of the death of his father Hafez al-Assad, after his 30-year presidency, to lower the minimum age for the president from 40 to 34.

    For the sake of comparison, here is 2012 population pyramid for the United States. The difference in the ratio of young males to the older political power base is obvious.

    https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/2012/pyramid-US-Obama.gif

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/demographic-pyramids-and-the-potential-for-revolution-2012-2
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  108. FB says:
    @Fred9
    You have some reasonable points, but everyday Americans are not billionaires. A stunning amount of 'American' billionaires are actually foreign nationals that have emigrated to the United States either for leisure or as an evil lair of sorts. Look at the guy who made the video game minecraft - a Scandinavian - who now lives in California. Most billionaires are not innocent like him though. There are a few Israeli billionaires that reside or have dual (or more) citizenship that have been using their influence to further secure their wealth and political goals in the Middle East. I am sure some Saudis do likewise. So, many 'american' billionaires are NOT true Americans.

    Secondly, the American billionaires who made their wealth in America often have their own hidden motives. We all know that Zuckerberg seems to be doing some political posturing in the possible event of a presidential run or democrat-presidency cabinet appointment. These people aren't looking to make life for Americans better, they are looking to mold society to their own philosophical ideals. They want to be puppet masters.

    Thirdly, look at the Koch brothers. Have they done good "philanthropic" deeds? Of course, I dont doubt they have had a positive impact somewhere with all the money they have given to medical research and academic institutions. A question lingers though - why is our own government not funding these? Because our own government is messing around trying to earn temporary votes at the expense of what is best in the long run. They are spending money on Medicaid instead of investing in stem cells... yada yada yada

    Your comment is quite balanced and insightful…and I am glad to hear your praise [and sensible critique] for the Prof. Petras article…

    ‘…Truth is, I think the middle class has some despicable problems that can’t be fixed, just like the lower class is violent and loud. The middle class is often uncultured and manufactured. They prefer to be used as replaceable workers instead of becoming their own boss…’

    It would be very difficult to argue with this…and your take on the wealthy class is spot on too, at least with regards my own firsthand observations…

    But this brings me to your response to Joe Wong…@ 105…

    I think you perhaps missed his point, which it must be said, was not articulated as precisely as it could have been…here is the salient part of his message…

    ‘…If the vast majority of the American people do not buy into and actively support the current political, economic, financial, and social systems, the billionaires, elites and the 1% won’t be where they are today…’

    I think this is a very powerful truth that goes to the heart of the matter…ie it is the ‘ordinary’ class in America that is directly to blame for the raw deal they are getting…

    And when I say ‘ordinary’ class I mean the bottom 80 or 90 percent…this is the class that likes to think of themselves as ‘middle class’…or at least that part above the ‘bottom half’…

    This is where the problem is…it is worth remembering that there are only two real classes in society…the lender class and the debtor class…

    The top 10 percent are the lender class…they do not necessarily need to be millionaires, but they are debt-free and have money in the bank…which is then loaned to the bottom 80 or 90 percent…

    Below about the 80′th percentile, and above the poverty line we have, broadly, the so-called middle class…they do not own their own homes if they still have a mortgage…for most people that means well into retirement age…at which point many may not even be around for much longer…

    The fact that we have such things as ‘reverse mortgages’ whereby elderly people who own their home outright, decide to live out their remaining days acquiring the things they have denied themselves for so long…by actually signing away the only ‘capital’ they have attained in their life-long struggle…the roof over their heads…

    So when Joe Wong says that it is the ordinary folks’ fault…he is right…I see that by a number of baffling comments here that vehemently attack the professor’s article…

    Yet as I have stated previously, I would bet that most [if not all] of these commenters are actually firmly in the debtor class…

    They are the ones who are getting a raw deal…yet paradoxically, they are the ones who are most vocal in the support of the scam ideology that keeps them down…

    They have been indoctrinated to knee-jerk reactions against the ‘government’ as the main problem in their unfulfilled economic condition…

    And conversely, to provide equal knee-jerk reactions in favor of the wealthy…of which they are not a part, but somehow believe the lie that the ‘system’ as it stands now is their best bet of getting there…

    It is not only on message boards like this that this ‘sheep lunging at the butcher’s knife’ phenomenon is rampant…

    Every election season, I am amazed to see as I drive around that in the poorest ‘middle-class’ areas where the ‘little pink houses’ prevail…the lawn signs are almost uniformly for the party of the wealthy…which promotes the scam that ‘cutting taxes’ is going to somehow benefit those at the bottom of the food chain, like themselves…

    But in the more prosperous, truly middle-class part of town, the opposite is true…here we see support for heaven forbid, the ‘socialist’ leaning candidates…[and less support for the party of the rich...]

    Consider the author of this article…he is a retired professor which is a highly paid profession with great retirement benefits…he surely does not owe any bank anything and has been living quite comfortably for quite some time…in fact he is probably a member of the top 10 or 20 percent…

    The fact that he is advocating for a revamped social compact that would benefit the majority of ordinary folks is therefore credible on its face…because certainly these changes are not going to benefit him, but they will benefit many who are not as fortunate…

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  109. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB
    That paper you linked to is from the University of Haifa, Israel...

    I will prefer to consider scholarship on Syria from non-hostile countries...

    The quote about 'forbidding' birth control is not original to that paper you linked to but is footnoted as being sourced to a paper by one 'Habbab, Adnan. 1974...'

    The paper is called...

    Family planning in the Syrian Arab Republic, paper presented at the First Regional Population Conference of ECWA, Beirut, February 18 – March 1.
     
    A search for this paper returns absolutely no results...which tells me that it is some obscure paper that was never taken seriously by anyone...

    Hence, the 'evidence' you present cannot be taken to exist, since it is not available...

    I gave a citation from sources that are well known and credible...

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/2133259?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    That paper is still available for purchase and the link I give presents the first page...from which I quoted...and it directly contradicts the bogus scenario outlined by that Israeli 'scholar' to which you linked...

    This paper states near the end of the first page that by 1970, those who had encouraged population growth previously began to be concerned...'

    That year 1970 was of course when Hafez Assad came to power...

    Furthermore...another credible paper from 1986 completely contradicts the notion that contraceptives were 'forbidden'...as that non-existent paper cited by the Israeli author you linked to would have us believe...

    Syrian women state high fertility desires, a high preference for sons and a low use of contraception despite widespread contraceptive knowledge...
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12280551

    Clearly there was a policy for education for women on contraceptives by 1985 when this paper was presented...which directly contradicts the demonstrably false idea that contraceptives were 'forbidden'...

    Incidentally...the word 'forbidden' is not a scholarly term...it does not imply against the law...it could well imply 'forbidden' by social or religious norms outside the scope of government control...

    And again from the very first paragraph of that Courbage paper I linked to above...

    'From the mid 1980s the birth rate has fallen sharply, from 45 births per 1,000 population in 1985 to 33 per 1,000 in 1990.'
     
    That's a drop in birth rate of 25 percent in just the space of five years...

    So I don't see what you are trying to argue...the evidence is clear that starting in the mid-1980s the Syrian birth rate began falling...that is 25 years before the Syrian crisis in 2011...

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian 'civil war' of this decade...'...it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources...'

    This bogus narrative is conflated by trying to hoodwink the fact that pre-Assad Syria did have a very high birth rate...and that contraceptives were forbidden in the pre WW2 French rule...

    Today the Syrian birthrate is right at the world median of 2.5...about 70'th to 80'th in the world by country...so how did it get there if the Syrian govt of the Assads were encouraging population growth and forbidding contraception...?

    It is absurd on its face and I stand by my original assertion that the article you originally linked to was pure invention...

    You make many good and convincing points, but to claim the following, is not convincing to me:

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian ‘civil war’ of this decade…’…it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources…’

    I don’t know if you have heard of the “Youth bulge” theory of conflict before?

    The Demographic Pyramid Points Toward Revolution In Syria

    The underlying forces behind the Arab Spring are complex and vary from country to country. But a key factor is demographics, as a glance at the population pyramids below suggests.

    A common denominator of the five is an aging ruling party unable to control a population bulge of young adults afflicted by high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, an absence of political freedoms and generally poor living conditions.

    Syria’s Bashar al-Assad is the youngest of the five rules depicted in the charts above. But therein lies a story. He inherited the presidency in 2000, after the Syrian parliament amended the constitution within 48 hours of the death of his father Hafez al-Assad, after his 30-year presidency, to lower the minimum age for the president from 40 to 34.

    For the sake of comparison, here is 2012 population pyramid for the United States. The difference in the ratio of young males to the older political power base is obvious.

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/demographic-pyramids-and-the-potential-for-revolution-2012-2

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    This is a nice short presentation on Syria:

    Syria is a country in the early portion of stage 3 of the DTM [Demographic Transition Model]. The death rates have dropped down to a very low rate. Birth rates remain somewhat higher due to cultural lag. Syria's advance into late stage 3 or stage 4 may be delayed by war and the lack of a stable government, but if the political issues in Syria can be resolved we may see continued modernization and possibly Syria will reach stage 4 by 2050.
     
    - https://ab3rossello.weebly.com/syria--population.html

    Syria Population Pyramid 2050

    http://ab3rossello.weebly.com/uploads/2/3/5/6/23564180/4214809.jpg

    Demographic Transition Model

    https://www.populationeducation.org/sites/default/files/dtm.png

    Source: https://www.populationeducation.org/content/what-demographic-transition-model

    Mexico's population pyramid is actually not that dissimilar to Syria's. What likely prevented a full-blown civil war like in Syria there, is probably the close proximity to the U.S. and its labor market, which has acted as a safety relief valve.

    This is also interesting research to take into account:

    Youth bulge and civil war: Why a country’s share of young adults explains only non-ethnic wars


    Scholars agree that young men carry out most acts of political violence. Still, there is no consensus on the link between relatively large youth cohorts and the onset of violent, armed intra-state conflicts. In this paper, we examine the effect of youth bulge, a measure of the relative abundance of youth in a country, on the onset of two different types of civil wars—ethnic and non-ethnic wars. Building on and extending three datasets used by other scholars, we theoretically argue and empirically substantiate that, as a result of the negative effects of youth bulge on the economic conditions of the youth cohorts in the country, youth bulge affects the onset of non-ethnic wars, but not the onset of ethnic wars. Possible implications and directions for further research are then suggested.
     
    - http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0738894214544613

    Stop Trying to Make Syria's War Into a Sectarian Conflict


    Second, Syrians have been mobilizing against Assad for reasons that are not in fact sectarian. The goal of the opposition, including the nonviolent opposition that has been tragically marginalized in recent months, was to stop the state's brutal treatment and exploitation of the Syrian people. Syrians did not take to the streets in order to realize a Sunni takeover of the Syrian state. As in Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, and Tunisia, the revolt in Syria has complex roots in economic grievances, social injustice, and everyday oppression. All that is erased when pundits and policymakers focus on sectarianism as the engine of revolt.
     
    - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/stop-trying-to-make-syrias-war-into-a-sectarian-conflict/274060/

    Comparison Mexico and U.S. Population Pyramids 2000 and 2025

    http://homepage.smc.edu/buckley_alan/ps2/mexico/pyramid.gif

    Can Mexico Harness Its Demographic Dividend?


    However, Pedro Salazar Ugarte on Boston Review writes that Mexico is in danger of missing this opportunity and perhaps worse, creating the seeds of further discontent in a country already reeling with violence. “Mexico is going through crucial and unprecedented times,” he writes:

    It may take off or it may collapse. And I do not exaggerate or mean this rhetorically. Never before has Mexico had so many young people: nearly 30 million men and women aged 15-29, representing 26.4 percent of the country’s population. They are what we call in Mexico the “demographic bonus,” at first considered a great opportunity to enhance the country’s growth and development, and now a threat to its existence.
    [...]
    Given these demographics, the only way for the country to avert disaster lies in achieving economic and social inclusion for young people. This is a very large challenge considering Mexico’s profound inequality: 52 million people, 46 percent of the population, live in poverty alongside the richest man on Earth – Carlos Slim Helú. These extreme disparities are straining social cohesion
     

    - https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2013/06/mexico-harness-demographic-dividend/
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  110. FB says:

    Look…I don’t care whether you are convinced or not…

    I have convincingly refuted the falsehoods you posted about Syria’s birth rate…which has been in decline since the mid-1980s and is now exactly on the world median…

    I have proved that there was no ‘ban’ on contraceptives, in fact quite the opposite…contraception and birth control education was actively encouraged by the Syrian government for at least 25 years now…

    If your knowledge of the Syrian so-called ‘civil war’ comes from MSM like Business Insider.,..and you actually believe their flatly lying narrative, then that’s your problem…people who believe false narratives on important world events are only cheating themselves…by denying themselves the power of truth…which is important on an individual developmental level…

    Now that your false statements have been debunked, as I am confident many here would agree, you try to conflate your original and proved false statement about birth rates with some equal nonsense about youth bulge theory of conflict…

    this is pure tinfoil hat stuff coming from the lying neocons at Business Insider…whose only goal is to serve the Zionist agenda for ravaging the Middle East…

    This pinhead’s thesis is so silly on its face that it deserves only ridicule…

    First off the so-called Arab Spring is a fiction that was invented by Israeli firsters in order to make the sheeple believe that these uprisings happened spontaneously and were homegrown…thus hiding the truth that they were carefully orchestrated political destabilization campaigns directed by Israel and US neocons…

    Do you notice that nobody is talking about the Arab Spring anymore…that fiction has long outlived its use by date…

    For proof we need only look at what the Israel first neocons are saying today…

    ‘…The period of Arab unrest in 2010, during which Islamist and Salafi forces seemed briefly ascendant, is now a spent force — its beneficiaries in retreat and in some cases eclipsed by Sunni autocrats and pro-Iranian forces…’

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/28/israel-is-going-to-war-in-syria-to-fight-iran/

    Read that article to find out how the Israel firsters are now openly admitting that the whole Arab Spring nonsense was a hoax for the ‘dumb’ goyim masses in America…

    Since you insist on placing yourself in that class, there is not much I can do for you…

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    Why do you believe the ``Green Revolution'' in Iran in 2009 did not succeed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement

    I believe demographics is the answer, because Iran took population growth and control more seriously than Syria et al. This is not tinfoil-hattery, this is a sober and objective analysis of demographics, economics, political corruption, resource availability, etc.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/wp-content/uploads/images/goldman-chart-380.jpg

    Source: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/72679/time-out

    Iranian Population Pyramid 2014

    http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/iran-population-pyramid-2014.gif

    Source: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751430

    Iran's government "declared that Islam favored families with only two children", as one historian put it.[10] Iran's Health Ministry launched a nationwide campaign and introduced contraceptives - pills, condoms, IUDs, implants, tubal ligations, and vasectomies.[11]
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_planning_in_Iran#Rafsanjani_era_and_decreasing_natality

    Alawites rally after 'Assad's cousin killed officer'


    Louay Hussain, a prominent Alawite opposition activist, wrote on his Facebook:

    This is not the first time that a thug from the Assad family attacks an Alawite resident in Latakia. It is also not the first time that a thug from Assad family kills an Alawite. It’s not the first time they attack an officer in the army…

    Not all Assad members are thugs and criminals, but a lot of them are: They killed, they raped, they stole, they insulted, they confiscated property and they kidnapped women. They attacked Alawites over the past 40 years more than they did to Sunnis…

    They were mafias living above the law. There is no authority above them. They do not even have to do the mandatory military service like the rest of young men.
     

    - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/alawites-rally-assad-cousin-killed-syria-150809192103838.html

    This seems to be the same Louay Hussain or Hussein (??):


    he is to be tried again for the same charges of “weakening national sentiment” and spreading false news in accordance with the provisions of Articles 285 and 286 of the Penal Code; the punishment resulting in temporary detention.
     
    - http://www.shrc.org/en/?p=24509

    This Iranian billionaire was apparently just recently sentenced to death:

    On 6 March 2016, he was convicted and sentenced to death for embezzlement and "spreading corruption on earth".[16][17]
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babak_Zanjani#Arrest_and_conviction

    The Iranian leadership seems to be a lot less tolerant of this kind of behavior, corruption, etc. than the (billionaire) Assad clan.

    , @FKA Max
    Also, why do you think ``Israel firsters'' like David P. Goldman aka ``Spengler'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman are constantly warning about a demographic catastrophe in the Islamic World due to low/falling fertility rates?

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/2/11/fertility-faith-and-the-decline-of-islam-strategic-implications/

    Older populations and wiser/more experienced societies in the Islamic World will be more politically stable and less prone to revolutions and uprisings. ``Israel firsters'' need young, disaffected populations to start and foment riots and revolutions.

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  111. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    You make many good and convincing points, but to claim the following, is not convincing to me:

    It is simply false and dishonest that some are trying to say that high birth rates were somehow connected to the so-called Syrian ‘civil war’ of this decade…’…it is plain nonsense and is directly refuted by evidence from all credible sources…’

    I don't know if you have heard of the ``Youth bulge'' theory of conflict before?

    The Demographic Pyramid Points Toward Revolution In Syria

    The underlying forces behind the Arab Spring are complex and vary from country to country. But a key factor is demographics, as a glance at the population pyramids below suggests.


    A common denominator of the five is an aging ruling party unable to control a population bulge of young adults afflicted by high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, an absence of political freedoms and generally poor living conditions.

    https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/2012/pyramid-Syria-Assad.gif

    Syria's Bashar al-Assad is the youngest of the five rules depicted in the charts above. But therein lies a story. He inherited the presidency in 2000, after the Syrian parliament amended the constitution within 48 hours of the death of his father Hafez al-Assad, after his 30-year presidency, to lower the minimum age for the president from 40 to 34.

    For the sake of comparison, here is 2012 population pyramid for the United States. The difference in the ratio of young males to the older political power base is obvious.

    https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/2012/pyramid-US-Obama.gif

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/demographic-pyramids-and-the-potential-for-revolution-2012-2

    This is a nice short presentation on Syria:

    Syria is a country in the early portion of stage 3 of the DTM [Demographic Transition Model]. The death rates have dropped down to a very low rate. Birth rates remain somewhat higher due to cultural lag. Syria’s advance into late stage 3 or stage 4 may be delayed by war and the lack of a stable government, but if the political issues in Syria can be resolved we may see continued modernization and possibly Syria will reach stage 4 by 2050.

    https://ab3rossello.weebly.com/syria–population.html

    Syria Population Pyramid 2050

    Demographic Transition Model

    Source: https://www.populationeducation.org/content/what-demographic-transition-model

    Mexico’s population pyramid is actually not that dissimilar to Syria’s. What likely prevented a full-blown civil war like in Syria there, is probably the close proximity to the U.S. and its labor market, which has acted as a safety relief valve.

    This is also interesting research to take into account:

    Youth bulge and civil war: Why a country’s share of young adults explains only non-ethnic wars

    Scholars agree that young men carry out most acts of political violence. Still, there is no consensus on the link between relatively large youth cohorts and the onset of violent, armed intra-state conflicts. In this paper, we examine the effect of youth bulge, a measure of the relative abundance of youth in a country, on the onset of two different types of civil wars—ethnic and non-ethnic wars. Building on and extending three datasets used by other scholars, we theoretically argue and empirically substantiate that, as a result of the negative effects of youth bulge on the economic conditions of the youth cohorts in the country, youth bulge affects the onset of non-ethnic wars, but not the onset of ethnic wars. Possible implications and directions for further research are then suggested.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0738894214544613

    Stop Trying to Make Syria’s War Into a Sectarian Conflict

    Second, Syrians have been mobilizing against Assad for reasons that are not in fact sectarian. The goal of the opposition, including the nonviolent opposition that has been tragically marginalized in recent months, was to stop the state’s brutal treatment and exploitation of the Syrian people. Syrians did not take to the streets in order to realize a Sunni takeover of the Syrian state. As in Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, and Tunisia, the revolt in Syria has complex roots in economic grievances, social injustice, and everyday oppression. All that is erased when pundits and policymakers focus on sectarianism as the engine of revolt.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/stop-trying-to-make-syrias-war-into-a-sectarian-conflict/274060/

    Comparison Mexico and U.S. Population Pyramids 2000 and 2025

    Can Mexico Harness Its Demographic Dividend?

    However, Pedro Salazar Ugarte on Boston Review writes that Mexico is in danger of missing this opportunity and perhaps worse, creating the seeds of further discontent in a country already reeling with violence. “Mexico is going through crucial and unprecedented times,” he writes:

    It may take off or it may collapse. And I do not exaggerate or mean this rhetorically. Never before has Mexico had so many young people: nearly 30 million men and women aged 15-29, representing 26.4 percent of the country’s population. They are what we call in Mexico the “demographic bonus,” at first considered a great opportunity to enhance the country’s growth and development, and now a threat to its existence.
    [...]
    Given these demographics, the only way for the country to avert disaster lies in achieving economic and social inclusion for young people. This is a very large challenge considering Mexico’s profound inequality: 52 million people, 46 percent of the population, live in poverty alongside the richest man on Earth – Carlos Slim Helú. These extreme disparities are straining social cohesion

    https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2013/06/mexico-harness-demographic-dividend/

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  112. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB
    Look...I don't care whether you are convinced or not...

    I have convincingly refuted the falsehoods you posted about Syria's birth rate...which has been in decline since the mid-1980s and is now exactly on the world median...

    I have proved that there was no 'ban' on contraceptives, in fact quite the opposite...contraception and birth control education was actively encouraged by the Syrian government for at least 25 years now...

    If your knowledge of the Syrian so-called 'civil war' comes from MSM like Business Insider.,..and you actually believe their flatly lying narrative, then that's your problem...people who believe false narratives on important world events are only cheating themselves...by denying themselves the power of truth...which is important on an individual developmental level...

    Now that your false statements have been debunked, as I am confident many here would agree, you try to conflate your original and proved false statement about birth rates with some equal nonsense about youth bulge theory of conflict...

    this is pure tinfoil hat stuff coming from the lying neocons at Business Insider...whose only goal is to serve the Zionist agenda for ravaging the Middle East...

    This pinhead's thesis is so silly on its face that it deserves only ridicule...

    First off the so-called Arab Spring is a fiction that was invented by Israeli firsters in order to make the sheeple believe that these uprisings happened spontaneously and were homegrown...thus hiding the truth that they were carefully orchestrated political destabilization campaigns directed by Israel and US neocons...

    Do you notice that nobody is talking about the Arab Spring anymore...that fiction has long outlived its use by date...

    For proof we need only look at what the Israel first neocons are saying today...

    '...The period of Arab unrest in 2010, during which Islamist and Salafi forces seemed briefly ascendant, is now a spent force — its beneficiaries in retreat and in some cases eclipsed by Sunni autocrats and pro-Iranian forces...'

     

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/28/israel-is-going-to-war-in-syria-to-fight-iran/

    Read that article to find out how the Israel firsters are now openly admitting that the whole Arab Spring nonsense was a hoax for the 'dumb' goyim masses in America...

    Since you insist on placing yourself in that class, there is not much I can do for you...

    Why do you believe the “Green Revolution” in Iran in 2009 did not succeed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement

    I believe demographics is the answer, because Iran took population growth and control more seriously than Syria et al. This is not tinfoil-hattery, this is a sober and objective analysis of demographics, economics, political corruption, resource availability, etc.

    Source: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/72679/time-out

    Iranian Population Pyramid 2014

    Source: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751430

    Iran’s government “declared that Islam favored families with only two children”, as one historian put it.[10] Iran’s Health Ministry launched a nationwide campaign and introduced contraceptives – pills, condoms, IUDs, implants, tubal ligations, and vasectomies.[11]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_planning_in_Iran#Rafsanjani_era_and_decreasing_natality

    Alawites rally after ‘Assad’s cousin killed officer’

    Louay Hussain, a prominent Alawite opposition activist, wrote on his Facebook:

    This is not the first time that a thug from the Assad family attacks an Alawite resident in Latakia. It is also not the first time that a thug from Assad family kills an Alawite. It’s not the first time they attack an officer in the army…

    Not all Assad members are thugs and criminals, but a lot of them are: They killed, they raped, they stole, they insulted, they confiscated property and they kidnapped women. They attacked Alawites over the past 40 years more than they did to Sunnis…

    They were mafias living above the law. There is no authority above them. They do not even have to do the mandatory military service like the rest of young men.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/alawites-rally-assad-cousin-killed-syria-150809192103838.html

    This seems to be the same Louay Hussain or Hussein (??):

    he is to be tried again for the same charges of “weakening national sentiment” and spreading false news in accordance with the provisions of Articles 285 and 286 of the Penal Code; the punishment resulting in temporary detention.

    http://www.shrc.org/en/?p=24509

    This Iranian billionaire was apparently just recently sentenced to death:

    On 6 March 2016, he was convicted and sentenced to death for embezzlement and “spreading corruption on earth“.[16][17]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babak_Zanjani#Arrest_and_conviction

    The Iranian leadership seems to be a lot less tolerant of this kind of behavior, corruption, etc. than the (billionaire) Assad clan.

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  113. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB
    Look...I don't care whether you are convinced or not...

    I have convincingly refuted the falsehoods you posted about Syria's birth rate...which has been in decline since the mid-1980s and is now exactly on the world median...

    I have proved that there was no 'ban' on contraceptives, in fact quite the opposite...contraception and birth control education was actively encouraged by the Syrian government for at least 25 years now...

    If your knowledge of the Syrian so-called 'civil war' comes from MSM like Business Insider.,..and you actually believe their flatly lying narrative, then that's your problem...people who believe false narratives on important world events are only cheating themselves...by denying themselves the power of truth...which is important on an individual developmental level...

    Now that your false statements have been debunked, as I am confident many here would agree, you try to conflate your original and proved false statement about birth rates with some equal nonsense about youth bulge theory of conflict...

    this is pure tinfoil hat stuff coming from the lying neocons at Business Insider...whose only goal is to serve the Zionist agenda for ravaging the Middle East...

    This pinhead's thesis is so silly on its face that it deserves only ridicule...

    First off the so-called Arab Spring is a fiction that was invented by Israeli firsters in order to make the sheeple believe that these uprisings happened spontaneously and were homegrown...thus hiding the truth that they were carefully orchestrated political destabilization campaigns directed by Israel and US neocons...

    Do you notice that nobody is talking about the Arab Spring anymore...that fiction has long outlived its use by date...

    For proof we need only look at what the Israel first neocons are saying today...

    '...The period of Arab unrest in 2010, during which Islamist and Salafi forces seemed briefly ascendant, is now a spent force — its beneficiaries in retreat and in some cases eclipsed by Sunni autocrats and pro-Iranian forces...'

     

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/28/israel-is-going-to-war-in-syria-to-fight-iran/

    Read that article to find out how the Israel firsters are now openly admitting that the whole Arab Spring nonsense was a hoax for the 'dumb' goyim masses in America...

    Since you insist on placing yourself in that class, there is not much I can do for you...

    Also, why do you think “Israel firsters” like David P. Goldman aka “Spengler” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman are constantly warning about a demographic catastrophe in the Islamic World due to low/falling fertility rates?

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/2/11/fertility-faith-and-the-decline-of-islam-strategic-implications/

    Older populations and wiser/more experienced societies in the Islamic World will be more politically stable and less prone to revolutions and uprisings. “Israel firsters” need young, disaffected populations to start and foment riots and revolutions.

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    Look...I don't know how to tell you this...but this supposed 'theory' linking population growth or demographics to revolution is tinfoil hat nonsense...

    If this had any basis in fact...India would have had 100 revolutions by now...as would have China...

    The fact that so-called 'revolutions' happen to happen only in the Middle East should give you a clue as to the actual cause...

    That being outside meddling by major powers...

    Please do not bother me anymore...I have told you what I think of these completely ridiculous theories that are in no way scientific...they are purely political...

    If you choose to believe nonsense that is your prerogative...but I do not wish to engage in any more silliness...

    Thank You...
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  114. FB says:
    @FKA Max
    Also, why do you think ``Israel firsters'' like David P. Goldman aka ``Spengler'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman are constantly warning about a demographic catastrophe in the Islamic World due to low/falling fertility rates?

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/2/11/fertility-faith-and-the-decline-of-islam-strategic-implications/

    Older populations and wiser/more experienced societies in the Islamic World will be more politically stable and less prone to revolutions and uprisings. ``Israel firsters'' need young, disaffected populations to start and foment riots and revolutions.

    Look…I don’t know how to tell you this…but this supposed ‘theory’ linking population growth or demographics to revolution is tinfoil hat nonsense…

    If this had any basis in fact…India would have had 100 revolutions by now…as would have China…

    The fact that so-called ‘revolutions’ happen to happen only in the Middle East should give you a clue as to the actual cause…

    That being outside meddling by major powers…

    Please do not bother me anymore…I have told you what I think of these completely ridiculous theories that are in no way scientific…they are purely political…

    If you choose to believe nonsense that is your prerogative…but I do not wish to engage in any more silliness…

    Thank You…

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