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Welcome to JayMan's Column on Unz.Com!

Welcome to my column! I’m going to be a regular contributor here at The Unz Review. All my blog posts and pages have been archived here.

My regular readers pretty much know what to expect from me. All you’ve come to appreciate will continue here. For new readers, I’ve written several gateway/introductory postings in the past, so I will recite them here.

First of all, if you’re completely new to the topic of Human Bio Diversity (HBD), which is what I’ll primarily will be talking about here, please see a thorough (but soft) introduction to the matter that I’ve written:

JayMan’s Race, Inheritance, and IQ F.A.Q. (F.R.B.)

This will get you started.

The basic fact of the matter is that you’re being lied to – every day. Mainstream discourse, including the media (and a good part of the scientific establishment itself) spreads false information. Whether it be on IQ, race, heredity, parenting, diet, health, lifestyle, or homosexuality, complete rubbish rules the day. I intend to make a meager effect to remedy that in this column.

500px-Flag-map_of_Jamaica.svg To learn about me, please see my About Me page. There I talk a little about my background as well as provide a roadmap to my earlier publications, including the key pieces new readers should see.

My earlier posting 100 Blog Posts – Reflection on HBD Blogging and What Lies Ahead reviews the topics I’ve talked about in the beginning, including fertility trends, and health and lifestyle wisdom.

My post 200 Blog Posts – Everything You Need to Know (To Start) is just that. Here I review the topics I’ve discussed in the preceding 100 posts, including the matter of guns and violence, the American Nations (the regional ethno/cultural/political divides across North America), and the problems with some of the people who talk about this topic.

About those American Nations, my page American Nations Series indexes the posts I’ve written based on the books American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America by Colin Woodard and Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer.

I’ve mentioned things you’re being lied to about. One of them is parenting. Did you know that parenting (beyond ensuring your children are healthy and safe and have basic human interaction) has no real impact on how children turn out as adults? That’s right. Read all about it:

Taming the “Tiger Mom” and Tackling the Parenting Myth
The Son Becomes the Father

You’re also being lied to about health and lifestyle. Did you know that most health and lifestyle knowledge is worthless, and probably won’t have much impact on your health or lifespan?

See:

IQ and Death
Trans Fat Hysteria and the Mystery of Heart Disease

On health and lifestyle, there is a lot of nonsense fluff on the matter of obesity. See:

Obesity Facts

Now, the mainstream, accepted explanation for all manner of human behavioral variation, including individual and group differences, is some sort of social conditional or some sort of “environmental” effect. The one exception is sexual orientation, where we’re assured that it is 100% inborn and genetically inherited. Well, it turns out that that is not true. Indeed, this hard to reconcile with the fact that male twins are discordant for sexual orientation at least 75% of the time. See:

Greg Cochran’s “Gay Germ” Hypothesis – An Exercise in the Power of Germs

Also, you may want to see some of my most recent postings, such as on The Rise of Universalism (which includes the surge in regard for the welfare of people from all walks of life, like the recent push for gay rights all the way up to “microaggressions”), on National Prosperity (what causes it?), and on the facts that “Ethnic Genetic Interests” Do Not Exist (Neither Does Group Selection).

I hope my readers find this information useful. This will be the first of many new columns to come.

That biology impacts human behavior – including differences in behavior (both between individuals and between groups) is a given. This follows from the fact that evolution applies to human beings. Unfortunately, Western society is generally in a state of denial about this. One must deny important facts in order to ignore/marginalize biology and inherited group differences. This is tantamount to a form of creationism – liberal creationism, as it’s been called. No, evolution acts upon human beings just like all other forms of life, and continues to do so right up to the present time (as physicist Gregory Cochran said, “every society selects for something“).

I welcome commenters. My comment policy is fairly simple. Be respectful, please be ready to support your case upon request, and generally be cool. After a few good comments I’ll give you pre-approval so your comment won’t have to wait around in moderation. Be cool with me I’ll be cool with you, but by all means I welcome spirited debate.

 
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  1. I’ve enjoyed reading your blogs the last few years. Very good work and welcome to the Unz

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  2. Do HBD Nerds dwell too often on self aggrandizing ‘selfing’ to recover from narcissistic ego injury, ie Revenge of the Nerds ? Consider two inconvenient biological truths?

    1. Human Biodiversity is IQ worship. Verbal gymnastics does not facilitate manufacturing agriculture rather rent seeking shyster shylock usury, justification of perversion ie cultural marxism. Is there a negative correlation between high IQ societies and declining relative human biomass, cultural impact ? yes. When does it become dysgenic?

    2. In a global human ecology where all non human life has been managed quarantined throttled by the dominant species, is it possible that sub-species ( not necessarily racial ) develop which follow a strategy of intra-specific ( intra-species ) social predation or parasitism? eg baby parts trading, usurious milking of sub populations? There are both aviary and primate precursors:

    non offspring nursing and social parasitism in neotropical primates

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=non+offspring+nursing+and+social+parasitism+in+neotropical+primates&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&as_vis=1

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    You have a few good points embedded in your comment.

    Too bad you don't display the writing skills to develop and present them in a way that extends intelligence rather than exemplarizing discursive parasitism.

    I'm a '70s punk. For my entire life resources and attentions have focused on dolt worship, proliferation, and wrangling, presented by the rentier class as the fabulous ideal of Democracy against which no voice can ever be raised.

    I'm of the view that we should try "IQ worship" for awhile. A large proportion of the highest IQ people I've known were found in the infrastructure trades/professions (the line is not at all clear). The effete types in Academe, Inc., tended to be more of the one-to-two-plus-sigma sorts, who have a good line of social engineering blather based on emotional usury (victimization and guilt) and a canny ability to work a system for their own profit. There are the occasional much-higher-intelligence autists.

    But they don't produce anything that people's lives and safety depend on, as a rule. The guys who make things work don't tend to have any of the ego you assert for high intelligence people. They're too busy obsessing on making things work. It's genetic. We don't hear much about them. Easier to keep the Nerds Vs. Jocks genre alive, right?

    That's how I came to HBD. Working among white men who have to deliver real, rather than political, results. Often for a very poor living.

  3. One of the best authors on the Interwebs. I’m glad you’re here.

    Indeed, this hard to reconcile with the fact that male twins are discordant for sexual orientation at least 75% of the time.

    Do you mean identical twins where one of them is gay? Otherwise this doesn’t make sense.

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    Do you mean identical twins where one of them is gay? Otherwise this doesn’t make sense.
     
    Yes. When one twin is gay, >75% of the time, the other is straight.
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    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist’s interests. Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?

    This doesn’t mean forsaking mediation on the truth. You can still aim for the truth but instead of writing columns for consumption by white nationalists you can write columns that based on your clearer thinking direct black thinking from the chaotic and reckless mess it is now to better, more effective talking points and tactics.

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    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist’s interests.
     
    Really?

    The Problem with HBD, the Dark Enlightenment, Neoreaction, Alt-Rightism, and All That Jazz

    “Ethnic Genetic Interests” Do Not Exist (Neither Does Group Selection)
    , @meistergedanken
    "Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?"

    Uh, because then those talents would be utterly squandered?

    As a group, blacks are not capable of advancing their own interests. At best they can learn to be parasites that do not unduly inconvenience or harm their hosts.
    , @v
    I was about to correct your grammar, which I never do my writing being so sloppy; when i came across this idiot above and laughed , hes got to be trolling but maybe not.
    anyway I think its what lays ahead not lies ahead lie doesnt have a subject. but hey some people like capitalization and punctuation and i could care less.
    , @Olorin
    Kindly indicate some body of data that indicates "the" "black" "interest" is worth advancing and will result in anything other than what has resulted from that dogged pan-social macroeconomic pursuit these past 150 years.
  5. “Whether it be on IQ, race, heredity, parenting, diet, health, lifestyle, or homosexuality, complete rubbish rules the day. I intend to make a meager effect to remedy that in this column.”

    Intending to make a meager effort, doesn’t sound very exciting.

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  6. Did Ron hack together a way to import and format all the comments from your old site too? That’s pretty slick.

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  7. Welcome! The things you say about heredity deserve a wider audience.
    Now we need to get HBDchick to blog here when she feels better (~_^)

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  8. Went to JayMan’s Race, Inheritance & IQ, saw some interesting things but stopped (hit a wall) when I saw this:

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …

    btw I like satirizing (among other things) cultures and their pundits…

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/07/20/the-satires/

    …but we’ll see how you do first :)

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    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …
     

    Where does inter-generational transmission come from?
  9. Hopefully you won’t delete comments like Razib Khan does. And be less obnoxious than you have been in the past when making comments on other blogs.

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  10. Always a pleasure to see your blogging, Jayman, looking forward to reading your entries here.

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  11. When I first started reading J, I was skeptical. How can parenting not matter much. Much of what he has to say is counter intuitive and just plain sounds wrong. You must get over stage one thinking. He backs up his ideas with data. You may not like what he has to say, but he is very difficult to refute. I still have difficulty accepting his parenting concept but he has much more ammo than I. Welcome J. All the best.

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  12. Derb has said wonderful things about you, look forward to your postings.

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  13. Welcome aboard. Start slowly and build deliberately. I am sure you will be a hit. But will your columns take away from Sailer?

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  14. Great to see you here JayMan! R. Unz is on an upgrade path with his contributor list and you are definitely an upgrade.

    I know that you are familiar with this site.

    Rabid anti-Semites, bitter, yet perceptive Islamophobes and soft touch racists bemoaning the depredations of “feral blacks” have free run of the place. Now this is just some of your fellow contributors; God help you when you get to some of the commenters.

    Good luck.

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  15. @Ronald Thomas West
    Went to JayMan's Race, Inheritance & IQ, saw some interesting things but stopped (hit a wall) when I saw this:

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence ...

    btw I like satirizing (among other things) cultures and their pundits...

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/07/20/the-satires/

    ...but we'll see how you do first :)

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …

    Where does inter-generational transmission come from?

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    Cop-out question rather than an answer, not an impressive 1st response. Inter-generational violence is not a only a 'family' thing but is an inter-societal phenomenon as well. To breech a typical taboo, I'll point out the Ashkenazi ruling the West Bank would appear to have had their behaviors shaped by a 'nationalist step-father' and had gone on to generate 'blow-back' terrorism in a 3rd population. Now, I'll repeat the question per your

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …
  16. I took a quick & cursory glance through the links. Looks like an enormous amount of fascinating stuff, but I did not see any mention of your educational background or your “day job.”

    Not that it really matters all that much, but I was curious ….

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    I took a quick & cursory glance through the links. Looks like an enormous amount of fascinating stuff, but I did not see any mention of your educational background or your “day job.”

    Not that it really matters all that much, but I was curious ….
     
    If that was at myself, here's the nutshell .. a bit of social & developmental psychology in a special forces operations and intelligence (modified 'action anthropology') context. Followed on with a career as paralegal-investigator with focus in anti-corruption and subsequent early retirement for 'health' reasons. Now, I blog on a number of subjects, not least societal problems and the source of those problems.
  17. @JayMan

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …
     

    Where does inter-generational transmission come from?

    Cop-out question rather than an answer, not an impressive 1st response. Inter-generational violence is not a only a ‘family’ thing but is an inter-societal phenomenon as well. To breech a typical taboo, I’ll point out the Ashkenazi ruling the West Bank would appear to have had their behaviors shaped by a ‘nationalist step-father’ and had gone on to generate ‘blow-back’ terrorism in a 3rd population. Now, I’ll repeat the question per your

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …

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    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …
     

    Here's a hint: all human behavioral traits are heritable. Now, where does inter-generational transmission come from? ;)
  18. @jay-w
    I took a quick & cursory glance through the links. Looks like an enormous amount of fascinating stuff, but I did not see any mention of your educational background or your "day job."

    Not that it really matters all that much, but I was curious ....

    I took a quick & cursory glance through the links. Looks like an enormous amount of fascinating stuff, but I did not see any mention of your educational background or your “day job.”

    Not that it really matters all that much, but I was curious ….

    If that was at myself, here’s the nutshell .. a bit of social & developmental psychology in a special forces operations and intelligence (modified ‘action anthropology’) context. Followed on with a career as paralegal-investigator with focus in anti-corruption and subsequent early retirement for ‘health’ reasons. Now, I blog on a number of subjects, not least societal problems and the source of those problems.

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  19. I look forward to JayMan’s postings.

    After briefly perusing his previous blogs, a question I have is….if obesity is completely heritable with culture not having an impact, then what explains the huge increase in obesity over the last 50 years? Whenever one reviews pictures/movies from early in the 20th century, the one thing that stands out is how thin everyone is, with only very few exceptions (WC Fields, President Taft…etc)

    Oh well, maybe I interpreted that particular column wrongly. Regardless, very much looking forward to this new author and his writings.

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    After briefly perusing his previous blogs, a question I have is….if obesity is completely heritable with culture not having an impact
     
    Oh I wouldn't say that. There's a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.

    Of course, we have little idea what the relevant environmental forces are in either case.
  20. @Ronald Thomas West
    Cop-out question rather than an answer, not an impressive 1st response. Inter-generational violence is not a only a 'family' thing but is an inter-societal phenomenon as well. To breech a typical taboo, I'll point out the Ashkenazi ruling the West Bank would appear to have had their behaviors shaped by a 'nationalist step-father' and had gone on to generate 'blow-back' terrorism in a 3rd population. Now, I'll repeat the question per your

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …

    Here’s a hint: all human behavioral traits are heritable. Now, where does inter-generational transmission come from? ;)

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    I think you need to modify your position. I doubt al-Baghdadi's behavior resembles that of his parents, after being thoroughly radicalized in David Petraeus torture camps but children raised within the context of Islamic State may well resemble al-Baghdadi. Hint: some behaviors are learned ;)
  21. @Anonymous
    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist's interests. Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?

    This doesn't mean forsaking mediation on the truth. You can still aim for the truth but instead of writing columns for consumption by white nationalists you can write columns that based on your clearer thinking direct black thinking from the chaotic and reckless mess it is now to better, more effective talking points and tactics.

    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist’s interests.

    Really?

    The Problem with HBD, the Dark Enlightenment, Neoreaction, Alt-Rightism, and All That Jazz

    “Ethnic Genetic Interests” Do Not Exist (Neither Does Group Selection)

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    • Replies: @eah
    I've been following such things with some -- not a lot, but some -- interest for a while -- not a long while, but a while -- and have never heard of "ethnic genetic interests". And have no clear idea what it means.

    But I don't have to know whether "ethnic genetic interests" exist or not -- or what the term means -- to conclude that, on balance, Whites would be better off not sharing their countries with black people.
  22. Ah, sweet. I was excited when I saw the news a minute ago! Congratulations man—you’re awesome.

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  23. Thank you for the warm welcome everyone! It’s great to be here. Don’t you won’t, there’s quite a bit in store for everyone. ;)

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  24. @leper messiah
    I look forward to JayMan's postings.

    After briefly perusing his previous blogs, a question I have is....if obesity is completely heritable with culture not having an impact, then what explains the huge increase in obesity over the last 50 years? Whenever one reviews pictures/movies from early in the 20th century, the one thing that stands out is how thin everyone is, with only very few exceptions (WC Fields, President Taft...etc)

    Oh well, maybe I interpreted that particular column wrongly. Regardless, very much looking forward to this new author and his writings.

    After briefly perusing his previous blogs, a question I have is….if obesity is completely heritable with culture not having an impact

    Oh I wouldn’t say that. There’s a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.

    Of course, we have little idea what the relevant environmental forces are in either case.

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    There’s a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.
     
    This is a key point that I don't think gets enough attention. Do you have any blog posts discussing this in more depth? Are you aware of any research efforts/techniques that quantify this distinction for different traits?
  25. @JayMan

    That is, our intelligence, behavioral traits, or adult outcomes have nothing to do with parental treatment

    Now, please square this with the known and observable phenomenon of inter-generational violence …
     

    Here's a hint: all human behavioral traits are heritable. Now, where does inter-generational transmission come from? ;)

    I think you need to modify your position. I doubt al-Baghdadi’s behavior resembles that of his parents, after being thoroughly radicalized in David Petraeus torture camps but children raised within the context of Islamic State may well resemble al-Baghdadi. Hint: some behaviors are learned ;)

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    I think you need to modify your position.

    ...

    some behaviors are learned ;)
     

    No, I think my position is good, as you would see if you read the relevant posts. Not everything is 100% genetic, but 100% of the similarity between parents and children, relative to others, is genetic in nature.

    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again.

  26. @Ronald Thomas West
    I think you need to modify your position. I doubt al-Baghdadi's behavior resembles that of his parents, after being thoroughly radicalized in David Petraeus torture camps but children raised within the context of Islamic State may well resemble al-Baghdadi. Hint: some behaviors are learned ;)

    I think you need to modify your position.

    some behaviors are learned ;)

    No, I think my position is good, as you would see if you read the relevant posts. Not everything is 100% genetic, but 100% of the similarity between parents and children, relative to others, is genetic in nature.

    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again.

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    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again
     
    Thin-skinned .. you're going to be easy .. here's the most recent satire (very popular) I'd been scratching my head where to go after, wondering who I'd follow on with:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/01/merge/

    Of course I will be reading your 'relevant' posts (see my note on Chomsky) knowing you'll see this whether you post it or not :D
    , @Anonymous
    Saying that 100% of the similarities between parents and children is genetic is not the same as saying children resemble their parents 100%.

    Since parent-child differences can be enormous, that their similarities are due to shared genes is a trivial observation. It gives us little insight into why one generation can be so different from another.

    Shifts in behavior between generations can be so dramatic that it seems most interesting human behavior as it manifests in the real world has an environmental basis.

    National charachter can change dramatically - even shockingly - in short periods of time as well.

    That all traits are heritable says little about how a given population will behave ar any given time.

    More importsntly, heritable traits are complex. Do we inherit a capacity for violence, one that takes a complex set of circumstances, historical and current, to activate, or a propensity for violence? Heritability studies cannot answer that.

    Since the historical, and even current, circumstances of no two groups are exactly identical, nor tjat of two individusls, iy is simply impossible for Heritability studies to shed any light on this.

    Identical twins adopted into seemingly similar middle class households may yet contain environmental differences subtle enough to elude scrutiny.

    Similarly, similar national histories may disguise a a wealth of differences.

    Modern scientism may be a consoling faith for some, but future generations will see this Era as similar to the Hellenistic age, where mystery cults employing contemporary idioms - in our case, the verbiage of science - prolifetate.

    Still, life is long, and man must occupy himself somehow, and this kind of simplified thinking is relatively harmless.
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    I have been curious about parental influence (or rather lack of) in outcomes of children.

    It seems to me that we should see some edge cases where culture that the children are exposed to are tightly controlled by the parents. This would be hard to do for parents going it on their own.

    However, it might be possible to see some effects with regard to highly religious families with strong religious communities. Are there any studies that compare outcomes of Mormon children to some control group?

    I cannot find anything like this.

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    Are there any studies that compare outcomes of Mormon children to some control group?
     
    What would such a study tell you, other than that Mormons are different from non-Mormons, which we knew before hand?

    It seems to me that we should see some edge cases where culture that the children are exposed to are tightly controlled by the parents.
     
    We've looked everywhere for shared environment effects – results of behavioral genetic studies are found not just in the West, but in East Asian countries as well. We see the same from international adoption studies. If there was something to find, we would have found it.
  28. @JayMan

    I think you need to modify your position.

    ...

    some behaviors are learned ;)
     

    No, I think my position is good, as you would see if you read the relevant posts. Not everything is 100% genetic, but 100% of the similarity between parents and children, relative to others, is genetic in nature.

    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again.

    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again

    Thin-skinned .. you’re going to be easy .. here’s the most recent satire (very popular) I’d been scratching my head where to go after, wondering who I’d follow on with:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/01/merge/

    Of course I will be reading your ‘relevant’ posts (see my note on Chomsky) knowing you’ll see this whether you post it or not :D

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  29. @JayMan

    After briefly perusing his previous blogs, a question I have is….if obesity is completely heritable with culture not having an impact
     
    Oh I wouldn't say that. There's a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.

    Of course, we have little idea what the relevant environmental forces are in either case.

    There’s a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.

    This is a key point that I don’t think gets enough attention. Do you have any blog posts discussing this in more depth? Are you aware of any research efforts/techniques that quantify this distinction for different traits?

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    This is a key point that I don’t think gets enough attention. Do you have any blog posts discussing this in more depth?
     
    Environmental Hereditarianism

    Why HBD

    Are you aware of any research efforts/techniques that quantify this distinction for different traits?
     
    That's a taller order.
  30. @Anonymous
    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist's interests. Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?

    This doesn't mean forsaking mediation on the truth. You can still aim for the truth but instead of writing columns for consumption by white nationalists you can write columns that based on your clearer thinking direct black thinking from the chaotic and reckless mess it is now to better, more effective talking points and tactics.

    “Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?”

    Uh, because then those talents would be utterly squandered?

    As a group, blacks are not capable of advancing their own interests. At best they can learn to be parasites that do not unduly inconvenience or harm their hosts.

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  31. Congrats on the column and increased traffic god willing. Hope to see a lot more from you on Unz.com. The more HBD/politically incorrect/alt-right/whatever bloggers we get on independent platforms like Ron’s, the better.

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  32. Jayman have you had a chance to reply to this rejoinder from Pumpkin Person about your arguments on EGI?

    However after much abstract thought and concentration, Hamilton himself realized the limits of this model, which is that within a species, natural selection is relative, not absolute, so while co-ethnics are not cousins, technically speaking, they are analogous to cousins compared to the total amount of human genetic variation. If a childless Bantu sacrifices his life to save eight unrelated Bantus, he’s decreased his genetic fitness relative to other Bantus, but he’s greatly increased his genetic fitness relative to a childless British person who saves no other British people, because in the next generation, there are more alleles and combinations of alleles that resemble the childless but heroic Bantu than the childless and selfish Brit. And the Bantu who manages to save eight other Bantu without losing his own life, has increased his genetic fitness even more.

    As Hamilton noted, when groups compete for resources, the greater the genetic distance between groups, the more you increase your genetic fitness by helping your group.

    It does seem to me than more genetically related ethnic groups tend to be more intrinsically nationalist than average. (Of course culture and propaganda can massively distort this both up and down).

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    Pumpkin Person. :) Hardly a great source there. But:

    If a childless Bantu sacrifices his life to save eight unrelated Bantus, he’s decreased his genetic fitness relative to other Bantus, but he’s greatly increased his genetic fitness relative to a childless British person who saves no other British people, because in the next generation, there are more alleles and combinations of alleles that resemble the childless but heroic Bantu than the childless and selfish Brit.
     
    But the heroic Bantu's alleles that inclined him to that action follow him to extinction in that scenario, since the he saved are unlikely to share such allele. Hence, such ethnic nepotism cannot be selected for.

    It does seem to me than more genetically related ethnic groups tend to be more intrinsically nationalist than average. (Of course culture and propaganda can massively distort this both up and down).
     
    I think spending a little bit of time in any inner city ghetto in America belies the notion that Blacks possess special ethnic nepotism.
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    look forward to upcoming articles ..wow even the comments are imported

    About this article: http://www.unz.com/jman/iq-and-death/

    interesting ..I wonder if the health benefits taper-off after a certain IQ threshold is breached, and possibly even reverse. Many instances of high-IQ people dying early from suicide, drug addiction, etc. The problem with these studies, I suppose, is that they don’t look at super-high IQs, only high IQs.

    I also notice (based on google images searches and my own anecdotal experience) that smart people seem to age faster …they look older for their age, in addition to having a higher mental age. What this means for life expectancy, I don’t know.

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    The problem with these studies, I suppose, is that they don’t look at super-high IQs, only high IQs.
     
    The relationship between IQ and lifespan holds even at the highest IQs, as shown by the Terman study.

    I also notice (based on google images searches and my own anecdotal experience) that smart people seem to age faster …they look older for their age, in addition to having a higher mental age.
     
    Nope. The exact opposite is true. Higher IQ people age slower than their less intelligent peers.
  34. What a nice, substantial addition to the Unz!

    I am looking forward to your future posts!

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  35. I, for one, am hoping we’ll see more on this gay germ theory. I find that an extremely interesting and eminently plausible notion.

    Welcome aboard!

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  36. @Anonymous
    look forward to upcoming articles ..wow even the comments are imported


    About this article: http://www.unz.com/jman/iq-and-death/

    interesting ..I wonder if the health benefits taper-off after a certain IQ threshold is breached, and possibly even reverse. Many instances of high-IQ people dying early from suicide, drug addiction, etc. The problem with these studies, I suppose, is that they don't look at super-high IQs, only high IQs.

    I also notice (based on google images searches and my own anecdotal experience) that smart people seem to age faster ...they look older for their age, in addition to having a higher mental age. What this means for life expectancy, I don't know.

    The problem with these studies, I suppose, is that they don’t look at super-high IQs, only high IQs.

    The relationship between IQ and lifespan holds even at the highest IQs, as shown by the Terman study.

    I also notice (based on google images searches and my own anecdotal experience) that smart people seem to age faster …they look older for their age, in addition to having a higher mental age.

    Nope. The exact opposite is true. Higher IQ people age slower than their less intelligent peers.

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  37. Welcome Jayman. I’ve read some of your comments but never your blog before, looking forward to it.

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  38. Welcome Jayman. It is good to see you here. I am glad to see you reaching a larger audience, I think you deserve it.

    There are a lot of smart people out there who really haven’t been exposed to scientific thinking. It sounds weird but it’s true. Keep up the good work.

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    @JayMan

    I think you need to modify your position.

    ...

    some behaviors are learned ;)
     

    No, I think my position is good, as you would see if you read the relevant posts. Not everything is 100% genetic, but 100% of the similarity between parents and children, relative to others, is genetic in nature.

    Please read the relevant posts before commenting again.

    Saying that 100% of the similarities between parents and children is genetic is not the same as saying children resemble their parents 100%.

    Since parent-child differences can be enormous, that their similarities are due to shared genes is a trivial observation. It gives us little insight into why one generation can be so different from another.

    Shifts in behavior between generations can be so dramatic that it seems most interesting human behavior as it manifests in the real world has an environmental basis.

    National charachter can change dramatically – even shockingly – in short periods of time as well.

    That all traits are heritable says little about how a given population will behave ar any given time.

    More importsntly, heritable traits are complex. Do we inherit a capacity for violence, one that takes a complex set of circumstances, historical and current, to activate, or a propensity for violence? Heritability studies cannot answer that.

    Since the historical, and even current, circumstances of no two groups are exactly identical, nor tjat of two individusls, iy is simply impossible for Heritability studies to shed any light on this.

    Identical twins adopted into seemingly similar middle class households may yet contain environmental differences subtle enough to elude scrutiny.

    Similarly, similar national histories may disguise a a wealth of differences.

    Modern scientism may be a consoling faith for some, but future generations will see this Era as similar to the Hellenistic age, where mystery cults employing contemporary idioms – in our case, the verbiage of science – prolifetate.

    Still, life is long, and man must occupy himself somehow, and this kind of simplified thinking is relatively harmless.

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    Saying that 100% of the similarities between parents and children is genetic is not the same as saying children resemble their parents 100%.
     
    Exactly!

    Since parent-child differences can be enormous, that their similarities are due to shared genes is a trivial observation. It gives us little insight into why one generation can be so different from another.
     
    Is it? It's clearly not, apparently, especially when one considers belief in the power of nurture.

    More importsntly, heritable traits are complex. Do we inherit a capacity for violence, one that takes a complex set of circumstances, historical and current, to activate, or a propensity for violence? Heritability studies cannot answer that.

    Since the historical, and even current, circumstances of no two groups are exactly identical, nor tjat of two individusls, iy is simply impossible for Heritability studies to shed any light on this.
     

    I wouldn't say they're completely useless, but yes, standard behavioral genetic studies are quite limited here. Standard behavioral genetic studies do show you what's not the cause of short-term secular changes: it can't be things that vary from household to household right now, as shown by the zero shared environment impact.

    Identical twins adopted into seemingly similar middle class households may yet contain environmental differences subtle enough to elude scrutiny.
     
    Identical twins raised apart are no less (and no more) similar than twins raised together. That's where we get the zero shared environment impact.
  40. Hey, look, Jay, you have your own Cathedral! (reference to my righteous rant on linked thread).

    Congrats, I’m very pleased for you.

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  41. @Anonymous
    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist's interests. Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?

    This doesn't mean forsaking mediation on the truth. You can still aim for the truth but instead of writing columns for consumption by white nationalists you can write columns that based on your clearer thinking direct black thinking from the chaotic and reckless mess it is now to better, more effective talking points and tactics.

    I was about to correct your grammar, which I never do my writing being so sloppy; when i came across this idiot above and laughed , hes got to be trolling but maybe not.
    anyway I think its what lays ahead not lies ahead lie doesnt have a subject. but hey some people like capitalization and punctuation and i could care less.

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  42. Hey. I was looking at your FAQ/FRB, especially question 2, and I wanted to ask: When race realists argue that race is biologically real, how does their concept of “race” differ from the biological concept of “population”? (I’m not talking about trivial differences of scale, like “a race is a population that’s big.”) Because everyone agrees that human populations are real, at least as real as species.

    Could someone give some examples of human groups that are races but not populations, or that are populations but not races? Because my suspicion—I know it sounds ridiculous—is that this whole emotional argument over the biological reality of race is nothing more than a fight over spelling: whether you spell “population” p-o-p-u-l-a-t-i-o-n or r-a-c-e.

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    When race realists argue that race is biologically real, how does their concept of “race” differ from the biological concept of “population”?
     
    That's just it: it doesn't. Population = race = population. That's just obfuscation on the part of mainstream scientists.
  43. Welcome to the unz, jay! If only westhunter and hbdchick would move here, I would have almost everything I need to read in one place :)

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  44. @JayMan

    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist’s interests.
     
    Really?

    The Problem with HBD, the Dark Enlightenment, Neoreaction, Alt-Rightism, and All That Jazz

    “Ethnic Genetic Interests” Do Not Exist (Neither Does Group Selection)

    I’ve been following such things with some — not a lot, but some — interest for a while — not a long while, but a while — and have never heard of “ethnic genetic interests”. And have no clear idea what it means.

    But I don’t have to know whether “ethnic genetic interests” exist or not — or what the term means — to conclude that, on balance, Whites would be better off not sharing their countries with black people.

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  45. @Anonymous
    Saying that 100% of the similarities between parents and children is genetic is not the same as saying children resemble their parents 100%.

    Since parent-child differences can be enormous, that their similarities are due to shared genes is a trivial observation. It gives us little insight into why one generation can be so different from another.

    Shifts in behavior between generations can be so dramatic that it seems most interesting human behavior as it manifests in the real world has an environmental basis.

    National charachter can change dramatically - even shockingly - in short periods of time as well.

    That all traits are heritable says little about how a given population will behave ar any given time.

    More importsntly, heritable traits are complex. Do we inherit a capacity for violence, one that takes a complex set of circumstances, historical and current, to activate, or a propensity for violence? Heritability studies cannot answer that.

    Since the historical, and even current, circumstances of no two groups are exactly identical, nor tjat of two individusls, iy is simply impossible for Heritability studies to shed any light on this.

    Identical twins adopted into seemingly similar middle class households may yet contain environmental differences subtle enough to elude scrutiny.

    Similarly, similar national histories may disguise a a wealth of differences.

    Modern scientism may be a consoling faith for some, but future generations will see this Era as similar to the Hellenistic age, where mystery cults employing contemporary idioms - in our case, the verbiage of science - prolifetate.

    Still, life is long, and man must occupy himself somehow, and this kind of simplified thinking is relatively harmless.

    Saying that 100% of the similarities between parents and children is genetic is not the same as saying children resemble their parents 100%.

    Exactly!

    Since parent-child differences can be enormous, that their similarities are due to shared genes is a trivial observation. It gives us little insight into why one generation can be so different from another.

    Is it? It’s clearly not, apparently, especially when one considers belief in the power of nurture.

    More importsntly, heritable traits are complex. Do we inherit a capacity for violence, one that takes a complex set of circumstances, historical and current, to activate, or a propensity for violence? Heritability studies cannot answer that.

    Since the historical, and even current, circumstances of no two groups are exactly identical, nor tjat of two individusls, iy is simply impossible for Heritability studies to shed any light on this.

    I wouldn’t say they’re completely useless, but yes, standard behavioral genetic studies are quite limited here. Standard behavioral genetic studies do show you what’s not the cause of short-term secular changes: it can’t be things that vary from household to household right now, as shown by the zero shared environment impact.

    Identical twins adopted into seemingly similar middle class households may yet contain environmental differences subtle enough to elude scrutiny.

    Identical twins raised apart are no less (and no more) similar than twins raised together. That’s where we get the zero shared environment impact.

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  46. @Aaron Gross
    Hey. I was looking at your FAQ/FRB, especially question 2, and I wanted to ask: When race realists argue that race is biologically real, how does their concept of "race" differ from the biological concept of "population"? (I'm not talking about trivial differences of scale, like "a race is a population that's big.") Because everyone agrees that human populations are real, at least as real as species.

    Could someone give some examples of human groups that are races but not populations, or that are populations but not races? Because my suspicion—I know it sounds ridiculous—is that this whole emotional argument over the biological reality of race is nothing more than a fight over spelling: whether you spell "population" p-o-p-u-l-a-t-i-o-n or r-a-c-e.

    When race realists argue that race is biologically real, how does their concept of “race” differ from the biological concept of “population”?

    That’s just it: it doesn’t. Population = race = population. That’s just obfuscation on the part of mainstream scientists.

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    That seems like important news to race realists: you're saying that no one denies that race is biologically real. All they do is use a synonym for race.

    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today, simply by using the word "population" when talking about populations. And you can all stop saying "race is biologically real," because no one disagrees with you. They just don't understand you because you're using the word "race" with an unfamiliar meaning.
  47. @Anatoly Karlin
    Jayman have you had a chance to reply to this rejoinder from Pumpkin Person about your arguments on EGI?

    However after much abstract thought and concentration, Hamilton himself realized the limits of this model, which is that within a species, natural selection is relative, not absolute, so while co-ethnics are not cousins, technically speaking, they are analogous to cousins compared to the total amount of human genetic variation. If a childless Bantu sacrifices his life to save eight unrelated Bantus, he’s decreased his genetic fitness relative to other Bantus, but he’s greatly increased his genetic fitness relative to a childless British person who saves no other British people, because in the next generation, there are more alleles and combinations of alleles that resemble the childless but heroic Bantu than the childless and selfish Brit. And the Bantu who manages to save eight other Bantu without losing his own life, has increased his genetic fitness even more.

    As Hamilton noted, when groups compete for resources, the greater the genetic distance between groups, the more you increase your genetic fitness by helping your group.
     
    It does seem to me than more genetically related ethnic groups tend to be more intrinsically nationalist than average. (Of course culture and propaganda can massively distort this both up and down).

    Pumpkin Person. :) Hardly a great source there. But:

    If a childless Bantu sacrifices his life to save eight unrelated Bantus, he’s decreased his genetic fitness relative to other Bantus, but he’s greatly increased his genetic fitness relative to a childless British person who saves no other British people, because in the next generation, there are more alleles and combinations of alleles that resemble the childless but heroic Bantu than the childless and selfish Brit.

    But the heroic Bantu’s alleles that inclined him to that action follow him to extinction in that scenario, since the he saved are unlikely to share such allele. Hence, such ethnic nepotism cannot be selected for.

    It does seem to me than more genetically related ethnic groups tend to be more intrinsically nationalist than average. (Of course culture and propaganda can massively distort this both up and down).

    I think spending a little bit of time in any inner city ghetto in America belies the notion that Blacks possess special ethnic nepotism.

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  48. @Anonymous
    I have been curious about parental influence (or rather lack of) in outcomes of children.

    It seems to me that we should see some edge cases where culture that the children are exposed to are tightly controlled by the parents. This would be hard to do for parents going it on their own.

    However, it might be possible to see some effects with regard to highly religious families with strong religious communities. Are there any studies that compare outcomes of Mormon children to some control group?

    I cannot find anything like this.

    Are there any studies that compare outcomes of Mormon children to some control group?

    What would such a study tell you, other than that Mormons are different from non-Mormons, which we knew before hand?

    It seems to me that we should see some edge cases where culture that the children are exposed to are tightly controlled by the parents.

    We’ve looked everywhere for shared environment effects – results of behavioral genetic studies are found not just in the West, but in East Asian countries as well. We see the same from international adoption studies. If there was something to find, we would have found it.

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  49. @res

    There’s a difference between environmental variation within a cohort and variation between cohorts.
     
    This is a key point that I don't think gets enough attention. Do you have any blog posts discussing this in more depth? Are you aware of any research efforts/techniques that quantify this distinction for different traits?

    This is a key point that I don’t think gets enough attention. Do you have any blog posts discussing this in more depth?

    Environmental Hereditarianism

    Why HBD

    Are you aware of any research efforts/techniques that quantify this distinction for different traits?

    That’s a taller order.

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  50. My previous understanding was that the racial paradigm sucked at predicting the last 150 years or so — that it didn’t anticipate the rise of Japan to European levels of excellence, the explosive overachievement of Jews in the last couple of centuries, the rise of Korea, then China. The rapid transformation of Ireland into just another NorthWest European nation, the rapid rise of Soviet Russia etc. etc.

    Now, the HBD view seems to be that this is totally wrong. That, in fact, North East Asia was an underperformer, given their human potential, so their rise doesn’t disprove anything. But it all seems a bit too pat. The all-people-are-the-same seems to broadly agree with recent history even if it requires coming up with tortured explanations for current underperformance of some groups.

    So why HBD? What would be one prediction about the next 50 years that HBD could make which would be really surprising for non-HBD folks?

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    My previous understanding was that the racial paradigm sucked at predicting the last 150 years or so
     
    Oh I wouldn't say that:

    L&V’s (2012) National IQs predict 2011-2012 GRE scores for 114 citizenship groups, 2010 + 2012 TOEFL scores for 157 citizenship groups, PISA scores of migrants from 62 nations of origin across 17 destination nations, 19th century (birth cohort 1820) numeracy rates across 54 nations, and early 20th century (birth cohort 1890) numeracy across 129 nations | Human Varieties


    The rapid transformation of Ireland into just another NorthWest European nation
     
    Oh I wouldn't quite say that either.

    Now, the HBD view seems to be that this is totally wrong. That, in fact, North East Asia was an underperformer, given their human potential, so their rise doesn’t disprove anything.
     
    They're still under-performers, at least if you subscribe to the view that IQ is everything. Since I don't, though:

    National Prosperity

    Also, don't be too sure about predictions from the past:

    "Racial Reality" Provides My 150th Post


    So why HBD? What would be one prediction about the next 50 years that HBD could make which would be really surprising for non-HBD folks?
     
    Sub-Saharan Africa will continue to be broke and rife with human strife. India will develop, but will not reach Western levels. East Asian nations will curiously lag behind their Western counterparts. The rank order of different ethnic groups will sit more or less unchanged.

    Enough predictions for you?

  51. @Hypocritter
    Do HBD Nerds dwell too often on self aggrandizing 'selfing' to recover from narcissistic ego injury, ie Revenge of the Nerds ? Consider two inconvenient biological truths?


    1. Human Biodiversity is IQ worship. Verbal gymnastics does not facilitate manufacturing agriculture rather rent seeking shyster shylock usury, justification of perversion ie cultural marxism. Is there a negative correlation between high IQ societies and declining relative human biomass, cultural impact ? yes. When does it become dysgenic?

    2. In a global human ecology where all non human life has been managed quarantined throttled by the dominant species, is it possible that sub-species ( not necessarily racial ) develop which follow a strategy of intra-specific ( intra-species ) social predation or parasitism? eg baby parts trading, usurious milking of sub populations? There are both aviary and primate precursors:


    non offspring nursing and social parasitism in neotropical primates
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=non+offspring+nursing+and+social+parasitism+in+neotropical+primates&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&as_vis=1

    You have a few good points embedded in your comment.

    Too bad you don’t display the writing skills to develop and present them in a way that extends intelligence rather than exemplarizing discursive parasitism.

    I’m a ’70s punk. For my entire life resources and attentions have focused on dolt worship, proliferation, and wrangling, presented by the rentier class as the fabulous ideal of Democracy against which no voice can ever be raised.

    I’m of the view that we should try “IQ worship” for awhile. A large proportion of the highest IQ people I’ve known were found in the infrastructure trades/professions (the line is not at all clear). The effete types in Academe, Inc., tended to be more of the one-to-two-plus-sigma sorts, who have a good line of social engineering blather based on emotional usury (victimization and guilt) and a canny ability to work a system for their own profit. There are the occasional much-higher-intelligence autists.

    But they don’t produce anything that people’s lives and safety depend on, as a rule. The guys who make things work don’t tend to have any of the ego you assert for high intelligence people. They’re too busy obsessing on making things work. It’s genetic. We don’t hear much about them. Easier to keep the Nerds Vs. Jocks genre alive, right?

    That’s how I came to HBD. Working among white men who have to deliver real, rather than political, results. Often for a very poor living.

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  52. @Anonymous
    I do not understand why you use your analytical capabilities to advance the white nationalist's interests. Why not use your talents to advance the black interest?

    This doesn't mean forsaking mediation on the truth. You can still aim for the truth but instead of writing columns for consumption by white nationalists you can write columns that based on your clearer thinking direct black thinking from the chaotic and reckless mess it is now to better, more effective talking points and tactics.

    Kindly indicate some body of data that indicates “the” “black” “interest” is worth advancing and will result in anything other than what has resulted from that dogged pan-social macroeconomic pursuit these past 150 years.

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  53. @JayMan

    When race realists argue that race is biologically real, how does their concept of “race” differ from the biological concept of “population”?
     
    That's just it: it doesn't. Population = race = population. That's just obfuscation on the part of mainstream scientists.

    That seems like important news to race realists: you’re saying that no one denies that race is biologically real. All they do is use a synonym for race.

    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today, simply by using the word “population” when talking about populations. And you can all stop saying “race is biologically real,” because no one disagrees with you. They just don’t understand you because you’re using the word “race” with an unfamiliar meaning.

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    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today
     
    I think there's a little more to it than that... ;)
  54. […] case you haven’t already heard, I’m now a columnist at The Unz Review. Please see my new column there. All my blog posts and pages have been published […]

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  55. @Vinay
    My previous understanding was that the racial paradigm sucked at predicting the last 150 years or so -- that it didn't anticipate the rise of Japan to European levels of excellence, the explosive overachievement of Jews in the last couple of centuries, the rise of Korea, then China. The rapid transformation of Ireland into just another NorthWest European nation, the rapid rise of Soviet Russia etc. etc.

    Now, the HBD view seems to be that this is totally wrong. That, in fact, North East Asia was an underperformer, given their human potential, so their rise doesn't disprove anything. But it all seems a bit too pat. The all-people-are-the-same seems to broadly agree with recent history even if it requires coming up with tortured explanations for current underperformance of some groups.

    So why HBD? What would be one prediction about the next 50 years that HBD could make which would be really surprising for non-HBD folks?

    My previous understanding was that the racial paradigm sucked at predicting the last 150 years or so

    Oh I wouldn’t say that:

    L&V’s (2012) National IQs predict 2011-2012 GRE scores for 114 citizenship groups, 2010 + 2012 TOEFL scores for 157 citizenship groups, PISA scores of migrants from 62 nations of origin across 17 destination nations, 19th century (birth cohort 1820) numeracy rates across 54 nations, and early 20th century (birth cohort 1890) numeracy across 129 nations | Human Varieties

    The rapid transformation of Ireland into just another NorthWest European nation

    Oh I wouldn’t quite say that either.

    Now, the HBD view seems to be that this is totally wrong. That, in fact, North East Asia was an underperformer, given their human potential, so their rise doesn’t disprove anything.

    They’re still under-performers, at least if you subscribe to the view that IQ is everything. Since I don’t, though:

    National Prosperity

    Also, don’t be too sure about predictions from the past:

    “Racial Reality” Provides My 150th Post

    So why HBD? What would be one prediction about the next 50 years that HBD could make which would be really surprising for non-HBD folks?

    Sub-Saharan Africa will continue to be broke and rife with human strife. India will develop, but will not reach Western levels. East Asian nations will curiously lag behind their Western counterparts. The rank order of different ethnic groups will sit more or less unchanged.

    Enough predictions for you?

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  56. @Aaron Gross
    That seems like important news to race realists: you're saying that no one denies that race is biologically real. All they do is use a synonym for race.

    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today, simply by using the word "population" when talking about populations. And you can all stop saying "race is biologically real," because no one disagrees with you. They just don't understand you because you're using the word "race" with an unfamiliar meaning.

    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today

    I think there’s a little more to it than that… ;)

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    Oh, I'm not saying that's the only thing there is to argue about! I'm talking about the "race is biologically real" proposition specifically. And for almost all the things you are arguing about–what causes the variation in IQ between (socially defined) races, for example–the question of whether biological race is real is completely irrelevant.

    Your side (I don't mean you personally, I'm not ranting at you!) is often more interested in venting your resentment than in being understood. I've been reading race realist blogs, articles, and books since the 1990s, and this is literally the first time I've seen someone say, "When we say 'race' we mean 'population,' no more and no less." And such a basic clarification doesn't even appear in your FAQ.

    I've seen anthropologists debating with guys like Nicholas Wade and Steve Sailer, practically begging them to define this "race" thing they're talking about (beyond a silly, inaccurate, and unscientific "family" metaphor). But they wouldn't. Your side could clear up an enormous amount of confusion and false disagreement just by clarifying that one thing. But for some reason you won't.

  57. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Did you know that parenting (beyond ensuring your children are healthy and safe and have basic human interaction) has no real impact on how children turn out as adults? That’s right. Read all about it:

    Taming the “Tiger Mom” and Tackling the Parenting Myth

    Do you think it is possible that parents could be selected for helping to elevate the reproductive success of their offspring?

    Let us say that your lineage has lived for a long time in complex societies where success requires the development of important teachable skills but where there are lots of distractions that could derail children.

    I see the Chinese mother (and father-because sometimes it is the father) syndrome as being in that class. They have been selected to hound their children away from the distractions that could cause them to slip out of the top 5% of their society.

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    I agree with you. But thankfully no parent in their right mind would listen to a HBD'er about child rearing or a lot of other things. 70 years one country did and we know what happened.
  58. @The most deplorable one

    Did you know that parenting (beyond ensuring your children are healthy and safe and have basic human interaction) has no real impact on how children turn out as adults? That’s right. Read all about it:

    Taming the “Tiger Mom” and Tackling the Parenting Myth
     
    Do you think it is possible that parents could be selected for helping to elevate the reproductive success of their offspring?

    Let us say that your lineage has lived for a long time in complex societies where success requires the development of important teachable skills but where there are lots of distractions that could derail children.

    I see the Chinese mother (and father-because sometimes it is the father) syndrome as being in that class. They have been selected to hound their children away from the distractions that could cause them to slip out of the top 5% of their society.

    I agree with you. But thankfully no parent in their right mind would listen to a HBD’er about child rearing or a lot of other things. 70 years one country did and we know what happened.

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  59. @JayMan

    So will you guys on the two sides just stop arguing with each other, since both sides agree with each other 100% on the biological reality of race/population? Your side could unilaterally put an end to this non-controversy today
     
    I think there's a little more to it than that... ;)

    Oh, I’m not saying that’s the only thing there is to argue about! I’m talking about the “race is biologically real” proposition specifically. And for almost all the things you are arguing about–what causes the variation in IQ between (socially defined) races, for example–the question of whether biological race is real is completely irrelevant.

    Your side (I don’t mean you personally, I’m not ranting at you!) is often more interested in venting your resentment than in being understood. I’ve been reading race realist blogs, articles, and books since the 1990s, and this is literally the first time I’ve seen someone say, “When we say ‘race’ we mean ‘population,’ no more and no less.” And such a basic clarification doesn’t even appear in your FAQ.

    I’ve seen anthropologists debating with guys like Nicholas Wade and Steve Sailer, practically begging them to define this “race” thing they’re talking about (beyond a silly, inaccurate, and unscientific “family” metaphor). But they wouldn’t. Your side could clear up an enormous amount of confusion and false disagreement just by clarifying that one thing. But for some reason you won’t.

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    If you really want a decent account of what "race" means, I suggest you read the quite thorough work of J. Fuerst:

    http://humanvarieties.org/2015/06/19/nature-of-race-published/

    If and when you comprehend this, you are entitled once again to open your piehole.

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    Ah, Aaron Gross is still hard at work I see. His ability to concoct disingenuous bs is unparalleled, even by the standards of the, er, “population” he belongs to.

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  61. @Anonymous
    Ah, Aaron Gross is still hard at work I see. His ability to concoct disingenuous bs is unparalleled, even by the standards of the, er, "population" he belongs to.

    Thanks, it’s nice to be appreciated!

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  62. Hope I’m not too late to welcome JayMan aboard – welcome aboard, JayMan!

    (I brought a bundt cake – I hope that’s ok.)

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  63. Hashtag Ronald Thomas West … Boom! Boom! Out go the lights!

    Thanks for bouncing that AH, Jay. You gave him a fair shot.

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  64. @Aaron Gross
    Oh, I'm not saying that's the only thing there is to argue about! I'm talking about the "race is biologically real" proposition specifically. And for almost all the things you are arguing about–what causes the variation in IQ between (socially defined) races, for example–the question of whether biological race is real is completely irrelevant.

    Your side (I don't mean you personally, I'm not ranting at you!) is often more interested in venting your resentment than in being understood. I've been reading race realist blogs, articles, and books since the 1990s, and this is literally the first time I've seen someone say, "When we say 'race' we mean 'population,' no more and no less." And such a basic clarification doesn't even appear in your FAQ.

    I've seen anthropologists debating with guys like Nicholas Wade and Steve Sailer, practically begging them to define this "race" thing they're talking about (beyond a silly, inaccurate, and unscientific "family" metaphor). But they wouldn't. Your side could clear up an enormous amount of confusion and false disagreement just by clarifying that one thing. But for some reason you won't.

    If you really want a decent account of what “race” means, I suggest you read the quite thorough work of J. Fuerst:

    http://humanvarieties.org/2015/06/19/nature-of-race-published/

    If and when you comprehend this, you are entitled once again to open your piehole.

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    Thanks for the link! Though already by the second paragraph there was some stupidity: "if 'race' is meaningless, it makes no sense to say that it is non-biological." Obviously, no one's denying that race is socially meaningful. They're saying that it's biologically meaningless; there's obviously no inconsistency in that position. Not sure I want to continue reading after that kind of cluelessness, but maybe I'll look at it again.

    I've read good philosophy articles arguing for the biological reality of race–one I remember was written by Michael Levin in the 1990s–but I've gotten less interested in the question because, as I've said, it's irrelevant to questions like, What causes racial differences in traits like IQ, etc.?

    You can investigate genetic, cultural, social, etc. causes of variation among any human groups, whether or not they're biological races. Rich whites are more intelligent than poor whites, and there's relatively strong evidence that the cause is partly genetic (stronger evidence than for racial differences). But rich and poor are not biologically real races.

    So that's the main point I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to get across all this time: The biological reality or unreality of race is an interesting philosophical question, but it's not relevant to the other questions that self-described race realists are interested in.

  65. @candid_observer
    If you really want a decent account of what "race" means, I suggest you read the quite thorough work of J. Fuerst:

    http://humanvarieties.org/2015/06/19/nature-of-race-published/

    If and when you comprehend this, you are entitled once again to open your piehole.

    Thanks for the link! Though already by the second paragraph there was some stupidity: “if ‘race’ is meaningless, it makes no sense to say that it is non-biological.” Obviously, no one’s denying that race is socially meaningful. They’re saying that it’s biologically meaningless; there’s obviously no inconsistency in that position. Not sure I want to continue reading after that kind of cluelessness, but maybe I’ll look at it again.

    I’ve read good philosophy articles arguing for the biological reality of race–one I remember was written by Michael Levin in the 1990s–but I’ve gotten less interested in the question because, as I’ve said, it’s irrelevant to questions like, What causes racial differences in traits like IQ, etc.?

    You can investigate genetic, cultural, social, etc. causes of variation among any human groups, whether or not they’re biological races. Rich whites are more intelligent than poor whites, and there’s relatively strong evidence that the cause is partly genetic (stronger evidence than for racial differences). But rich and poor are not biologically real races.

    So that’s the main point I’ve been trying, unsuccessfully, to get across all this time: The biological reality or unreality of race is an interesting philosophical question, but it’s not relevant to the other questions that self-described race realists are interested in.

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    Jesus, what a mischaracterization of that passage.

    Here's what the first and the beginning of the second paragraph say:

    It is frequently asserted: firstly, that the word “race” is meaningless; secondly, that races are not, biologically speaking, real; thirdly, that while there do exist biological races in other animal species, there are none in ours; and finally, that any biological differences between the human races are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

    It is infrequently acknowledged that the first through fourth statements can not all be true at the same time: if "race" is meaningless, it makes no sense to say that it is non-biological...
     
    Fuerst is obviously saying that these statements by others are inconsistent, which, obviously, they are.

    Maybe you shouldn't bother to read the rest; it's not going well for you.
  66. Hi Jayman, thanks for those links. I’ve checked your blog before but should have gone to the archives first. A handy collection of resources.
    It’s pleasing to see a writer engage with commenters in a gentlemanly manner.

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  67. @Aaron Gross
    Thanks for the link! Though already by the second paragraph there was some stupidity: "if 'race' is meaningless, it makes no sense to say that it is non-biological." Obviously, no one's denying that race is socially meaningful. They're saying that it's biologically meaningless; there's obviously no inconsistency in that position. Not sure I want to continue reading after that kind of cluelessness, but maybe I'll look at it again.

    I've read good philosophy articles arguing for the biological reality of race–one I remember was written by Michael Levin in the 1990s–but I've gotten less interested in the question because, as I've said, it's irrelevant to questions like, What causes racial differences in traits like IQ, etc.?

    You can investigate genetic, cultural, social, etc. causes of variation among any human groups, whether or not they're biological races. Rich whites are more intelligent than poor whites, and there's relatively strong evidence that the cause is partly genetic (stronger evidence than for racial differences). But rich and poor are not biologically real races.

    So that's the main point I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to get across all this time: The biological reality or unreality of race is an interesting philosophical question, but it's not relevant to the other questions that self-described race realists are interested in.

    Jesus, what a mischaracterization of that passage.

    Here’s what the first and the beginning of the second paragraph say:

    It is frequently asserted: firstly, that the word “race” is meaningless; secondly, that races are not, biologically speaking, real; thirdly, that while there do exist biological races in other animal species, there are none in ours; and finally, that any biological differences between the human races are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

    It is infrequently acknowledged that the first through fourth statements can not all be true at the same time: if “race” is meaningless, it makes no sense to say that it is non-biological…

    Fuerst is obviously saying that these statements by others are inconsistent, which, obviously, they are.

    Maybe you shouldn’t bother to read the rest; it’s not going well for you.

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  68. Welcome, Jayman. Anyone endorsed by John Derbyshire has already been vetted. I look forward to reading more of your insight’s here.

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  69. @Hepp
    One of the best authors on the Interwebs. I'm glad you're here.

    Indeed, this hard to reconcile with the fact that male twins are discordant for sexual orientation at least 75% of the time.
     
    Do you mean identical twins where one of them is gay? Otherwise this doesn't make sense.

    Do you mean identical twins where one of them is gay? Otherwise this doesn’t make sense.

    Yes. When one twin is gay, >75% of the time, the other is straight.

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