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I’d not an anti-Semite; I never have been; and I don’t have much time for anti-Semites. I’ve written a couple of million words of opinion commentary this past thirty years, all of it archived on my website, and I defy you to find any evidence of anti-Semitism in it anywhere.

However, I’ve turned against the word “philosemite,” for reasons I’ve explained elsewhere. Basically, it’s patronizing. If pressed on the issue, I call myself an anti-anti-Semite. I cherish my Jewish friends, and I have publicly—and again, I think, more than once—expressed gratitude in print for the positive contribution Jews have made to our civilization, way out of proportion to their numbers.

That said, I know the following thing, which anyone who has observed the American political scene surely also knows: A subset of American Jews—a subset, a minority—suffer from a kind of psychological deformation that keeps them trapped in a particular, strangely atavistic type of paranoia, of victim mentality.

In this mentality, it’s always 1881 and we’re still in Russia. The Jews are cowering behind their doors in fear as the Cossacks rampage through the town, or Christian peasants with pitchforks and flaming brands march on the Jewish quarter.

One side effect of this mentality: an unblinking vigilance, a hyper-sensitivity, towards the slightest tendency of the Gentile majority to drift Cossack-wards. This easily and often slops over into—and I am speaking of a subset of a subset of American Jews—into a generalized dislike, a prejudice, against white Christians.

Another side effect: the feeling that, for an oppressed minority—we’re still in 1881, remember: it’s always 1881—for an oppressed minority there is safety in courting and joining with other outsider groups for solidarity against the dangerous, dominant Goyim. The great dream of this mentality, in fact, is to get enough of a coalition of outsiders together to outnumber the Goyim, the white Christians. That’s why so many Jews are so passionately committed to mass Third World immigration.

It’s not hard to find evidence of this. Example: one of the “Intelligence Squared” debate series that took place September 13th. The motion to be debated was “Blame the Elites for the Trump Phenomenon.” It lasts an hour and 44 minutes.[Transcript PDF]

All four debaters were Bigfoot American journalists. Both sides of the debate were anti-Trump; the debate was over whose fault it was that Trump had gotten the GOP nomination. For the motion, arguing that it was the fault of the elites, were Ben Domenech [Email him] and Timothy Carney, [Email him] both Gentiles. Against the motion, arguing that it was not the fault of the elites, were Jennifer Rubin [email her] and Bret Stephens [Email him] both Jewish.

That tells you something by itself. That atavistic style of Jewish paranoia that I spoke about, when it hears the word “elites,” at once flies to the thought: They’re talking about US! … and the hoofbeats of the Cossacks are heard drumming in the distance.

At some mental level Rubin and Stephens read the title of the debate as: “Blame the Jews for the Trump Phenomenon.” That’s why they’re arguing against the motion. No, no, it’s not our fault—it’s those damn peasants!

brandishThis put them on edge. You can see it in the debate. Stephens actually plays the Holocaust Card at 1h22m, brandishing the print-out of an anti-Semitic tweet he got. Earlier, at 56m, the whole debate had almost veered into a straightforward Christians versus Jews joust. Dealing with Mrs. Clinton’s use of the word “irredeemable,” Jay Carney and Jennifer Rubin clashed lances thus:

Clip: (Carney) I disagree with Bret Stephens and with Hillary Clinton that a quarter of the population is unredeemable. And my bias, on the table, is, I’m a Christian and I think everyone is redeemable …

(Rubin) We Jews just believe in good and evil. We don’t think everyone isredeemable.

It’s been a while since I saw the atavistic paranoia of Jews, that subset of them, so starkly presented. The last time was, in fact, when I saw that Sacha Baron Cohen movie Borat, where it’s likewise hard to miss.

If I’m right about Rubin and Stephens, the result of the debate did nothing to soothe their paranoia. Part of the format for these Intelligence Squared debates is that the studio audience is polled at the beginning—how many for, how many against, how many undecided. The debate takes place, then at the end the audience is polled again, to see how many of the undecideds were persuaded which way.

Result: The audience percentage favoring the motion, that our elites were to blame for the rise of Trump, shot up 26 percent, from 32 to 58. The percentage blaming the peasants went up only six percent, 27 to 33.

Uh-oh, here come the Cossacks.

I’ll just add here that if you take exception to all that coming from me, a Gentile, perhaps you’ll take from Caroline Glick, a Jew. (I know I’m not allowed to say “Jewess” because I checked once with a Jewish lady editor I was working for. Quote from her: “We can say it, but you can’t.”)

Ms. Glick covers that same debate from the point of view of an ethnocentric Jew, and her coverage comes out sounding a lot like mine. She points up the rather high level of open anti-Semitism on the political Left. Then—

The problem on the Republican side of the aisle … is not that the party has turned against the Jews. The problem is that a large contingent of prominent Jewish Republicans has decided to commit political suicide …

Rather than … accept the will of their fellow Republicans, this year the most prominent members of the Jewish Republican elite have opted to attack Trump and his voters.

That is, they have decided to commit political suicide. Twilight of American Jewry, Jerusalem Post, September 15, 2016

That’s you she’s talking about, Jennifer Rubin and Bret Stephens.

As I said, both sides in that Intelligence Squared debate were anti-Trump. Whether all four were actually NeverTrumpers was not clear. You can be anti-Trump without being NeverTrump, on the lesser of two evils principle.

But at least one of the Jewish side was a NeverTrumper, though. How do we know this? These are opinion journalists, recall. He wrote about it.

Yes, it’s opinion journalist Bret Stephens again.

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September 12th, the day before the debate, Stephens posted a Q&A column in the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, where he is a Deputy Editor and opinion columnist. Both the Qs and the As were apparently written by Stephens himself, a common format in opinion journalism. I’ve done columns in that format myself.

The title of Stephens’ column: Nevertrump For Dummies.

Subtitle: “The nominee has more in common with Kanye West than with Steve Wynn.”

That subtitle threw me. Kanye West I know about at a very vague level. He’s one of those famous-for-being-famous people, right? I couldn’t tell you a single darn thing he’s done, but I see his name on the scandal sheets when I’m in the supermarket checkout line.

Who’s Steve Wynn, though? I had to look him up. He’s a billionaire property developer, very much like Trump. He’s built luxury hotels and casinos.

So what’s he doing in that subtitle? Well, he seems a bit more Upper West Side than Trump. He’s a connoisseur of fine art, for example. I don’t see much otherwise to place him at one end of an acceptability spectrum that has Donald Trump and Kanye West at the other end.

Or do I? Checking a bit further, I see that Steve Wynn, like Bret Stephens, is an American-born Ashkenazi Jew, original name Weinberg. So on that acceptability spectrum, we have two Jews at one end and two Gentiles at the other—just like in the following day’s debate!

Kanye West is a Gentile; I checked. In fact, a couple of years ago he got himself in a spot of bother by telling a New York radio station that “Black people don’t have the same level of connections as Jewish people.”.[Kanye West wants to take back ‘ignorant compliment’ about Jews , Jerusalem Post, December 22, 2013]I wouldn’t be terrifically surprised to learn that it was exactly that remark that lodged itself in Bret Stephens’ mind, causing him to pair off West with Trump at the dark end of the spectrum.

OK, getting past the subtitle, what’s in the column? Well, you can read it for yourself. No, you don’t need a Wall Street Journal subscription—who can afford those things? What you do is, put the title, “NeverTrump for Dummies,” into the search box at Google News. I’ll just pull out one single quote.

First thing I did was Ctrl-F on the word “nativist.” Yep, there it is. I knew it would be: “Mr. Trump’s nativist brand of politics is much further removed from conservatism than Mrs. Clinton’s mainstream liberalism,” end quote.

There you see the paranoia, the immigration fanaticism. For a politician to be “nativist”—to favor the natives, the people born in his country, over foreigners—is worse, much worse, than Clintonian liberalism, says Bret Stephens.

For him, to be “nativist” is worse than anything, because if a “nativist” gets power, our Coalition of Others will never have numbers to swamp the Goyim. They’ll be dominant for ever, and sooner or later they’ll turn on the Jews! [Hoofbeat sounds].

I know, it sounds nutty. Possibly I am being paranoid. But watching that debate, and then reading Bret Stephens’ print piece, it does seem to me that Bret Stephens’ paranoia, that atavistic fear, is in plain sight, just under the surface.

What, after all, is wrong with nativism? Why is this a pejorative—even on the political Left, never mind from the pen of a self-described conservative.

For a government to favor its own people over foreigners: There’s something wrong with that? What? What, exactly?

Because it’s “hateful”? What nonsense! I favor my own kids over your kids, by a mile and a half; but I don’t hate your kids, so long as they don’t come into my house uninvited. Good luck to them.

Good luck to foreigners: Jolly good luck to them all, the long and the short and the tall.

Now, will our government please attend to the fortunes and concerns of our people, our citizens, and let foreigners shift for themselves?

What, that’s “nativist”? OK—then three cheers for nativism!

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. MEH 0910 says:

    For the motion, arguing that it was the fault of the elites, were Ben Domenech [Email him] and Email him] both Jennifer Rubin [email her]and Email him] both Jewish paranoia that I spoke about,

    Derb, I think you left out a couple of names here, and chunks of the sentence are missing.

  2. Mark Green says: • Website

    Derb is a nice fellow but he is incapable of writing boldly and honestly about any issue that involves Jews as wrongdoers. Thus, even when he ventures into this taboo-laden area, he squanders half his time back-peddling and apologizing. Is he running for public office?

    Derb understands the problem. All too well. But he lacks courage. Derb’s terrified of being labeled an ‘anti-Semite’. Silly boy. But this anxiety disorder affects his judgement.

    Unfortunately, America is full of public figures with this affliction. Their cravenness is part of the problem.

    The result? Derb is unable to be penetrating, straightforward and boldly critical about you-know-who and you-know-what.

    On this topic, he’s a hopeless wimp.

    Sorry, Derb, but boldness and honesty are what’s urgently needed right now. Yet you keep failing to deliver. This weak article proves it.

    I recommend that you read more essays by Kevin MacDonald, Gilad Aztmon, or Philip Giraldi.

    In the meantime, stick to writing about illegal immigration.

    And pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

  3. Glaivester says: • Website

    That said, I know the following thing, which anyone who has observed the American political scene surely also knows: A subset of American Jews—a subset, a minority—suffer from a kind of psychological deformation that keeps them trapped in a particular, strangely atavistic type of paranoia, of victim mentality.

    I have a name for them.

    JewE.

    Think of GOPe, and think of American Jews as the Republican Party circa 2004.

    • Replies: @guest
  4. guest says:

    Saying there’s no anti-semitism in your archives is like a Good Progressive saying he’s never written anything politically incorrect. Even if it’s true that doesn’t mean it’ll be true tomorrow. Because there’s no hard definition of an anti-semite. Certainly it doesn’t mean someone who objectively hates Jews. It has come to mean anyone Jews, or those speaking for Jews, don’t like. Jews could start disliking you any day, if they don’t already.

    Once that happens, anything in your archive is anti-semitic by definition.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    , @Wally
  5. guest says:
    @Glaivester

    Can we call them Elders of Zion, please?

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Karl
  6. guest says:

    Why are you talking about Cossacks and 1881 when it would be more to the point to mention Nazis and 1933-1945. That’s where their minds are trapped. Same way for neocons it’s always 1938 or ’39 and we’re Great Britain.

    But I suppose it’s a good thing that not every single page on the internet is about Nazis.

    • Replies: @jake
  7. Jason Liu says:

    Assuming that theory is true, maybe the goyim wouldn’t turn on the Jews if the Jews didn’t constantly agitate to flood the nation with foreigners and come up with retarded new ways to demonize the domestic population.

    That aside, I’m not sure left wing Jews really believe it’s 1881 Russia, or that their Judaic values compel them to be liberals. It’s more likely the other way around. They use their past victimhood as a fearmongering tactic, and their religion as moral support for their political views. Deep down, they are first and foremost true believers, worshiping at the altar of Egalitarianism.

  8. That’s as anti-semitic as most of the more thoughtful on the alt-right are, Derbyshire. Even /Goebbels/ knew that ‘not all Jews are like that’ – apparently he had a Jewish history teacher who he loved. Your understanding has structure, while that of many lazier-thinking alt-righters does not.

    I wonder whether it’s connected to the phenomenon of people never really getting over a defeat – rejection in love, the American South forever mumbling old bones, Mexicans still smarting from the loss of their territory to America. Perhaps the difference in degree is due to Jews’ higher smarts and thus potency in this world, perhaps due to a higher-than-average sense of /their people/. Christ, I’ve heard NPR’s Ira Glass talk about ‘his people’.

  9. Tiny minority…

    So many Jews want to flood us with Third World…

    Derb, which is it?

  10. tamako says:

    The best way forward for a small, well-connected minority is to align with the dominant ethnic group and go forth from there. This is actually the best way forward for the Jews, and why they don’t simply do this is something I don’t understand. Any Jew who doesn’t want to do this is free to move to Israel – surely the said Jew also wouldn’t want the Palestinian Arabs to out number the Israeli Jews?

    The Jews are fighting an unending war to prevent 1933 from ever happening again, never mind that they’ve successfully associated Judaism with (Catholic, and European Protestant) Christianity, that Islam is arguably the most “anti-Semitic” religion out there, that they’d paint themselves into a corner by not looking like the dominant goyim.

    This is like setting fire to an oil rig – and its lifeboats – in the North Sea.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  11. Lot says:

    I do not see anything uniquely or especially Jewish about either the far-left anti-white people or elitist anti-Trump Republicans, or all that much similar to each other.

    There is certainly a Jewish flavor of white ethnomasochism, and it is as greatly distasteful as the English, Swedish or Popish varieties.

    Regarding the global elite, it seems much more at its base Anglo-Saxon and more broadly Western European, and the Jews in it tend to be miscegenated (mostly with NW Europeans, increasingly with NE Asians) and ultra-assimilated. Bret Stephens wasn’t engaging in intensive Torah study at Middlesex boarding school, the University of Chicago, and the London School of Economics.

  12. Wally says: • Website

    Jews:
    the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The absurd ‘holocau$t’ scam is the underpinning of our current problems.

    [MORE]

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since 1869:

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  13. Lot says:

    For a government to favor its own people over foreigners: There’s something wrong with that? What? What, exactly?

    The problem with nativism for elites, Jewish and gentile alike, is that it isn’t global oligarchic capitalism, their preferred system. I really don’t think Bret Stephens has even a inchoate fear of middle america whites launching pogroms.

    Now for the far-left anti-white Jews, they are loonie enough I would not doubt they believe that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. Chuck says:

    I’d not an anti-Semite; I never have been; and I don’t have much time for anti-Semites.

    I don’t think you’ve debased yourself enough.

    A subset of American Jews—a subset, a minority—suffer from a kind of psychological deformation that keeps them trapped in a particular, strangely atavistic type of paranoia, of victim mentality.

    Our rulers are not scared. They do the things they do for power. Did the British conquer India to prevent an Indian invasion of Britain? Did the Mongols conquer half the world because they were afraid the Chinese were going to shoah them?

    Some people always want more.

  15. Karl says:
    @guest

    > Can we call them Elders of Zion, please?

    there are Elders of Zion….. in Zion

    And we’d love to have good commercial relations with a White Nationalist country

    Can someone please establish one?

  16. Good article. However, Cossacks – as usual- get the bad press.

  17. Rever Leo says:

    Derb, what have the jews or their America done for you? Nothing. Your kids didn’t get admitted to elite colleges and you are clipping coupons in retirement.
    You’d be better off if your world trip had ended in Galway with a nice red headed Irish woman. You’d have five or six kids with post graduate or professional qualifications and plenty of grandkids. Your mother might not have approved but that was Northampton. She’d probably have gritted her teeth and moved over as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. JohnnyD says:

    Excellent analysis, Derb!
    Growing up in a Jewish family, I was conditioned to think about pogroms and the Holocaust, whenever the issue of immigration came up. However, I was cured of this neurosis by being exposed to extreme diversity (i.e. getting the feeling that your hometown and school district are no longer part of America). Stephen Miller, a Jewish aide to Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, seems to have had a similar “conversion” experience when he was growing up in Southern California. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/stephen-miller-donald-trump-2016-policy-adviser-jeff-sessions-213992).

    • Replies: @gbloco
  19. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The term anti-Semite has been tossed around so much that it no longer has the power to frighten Americans into shutting up.

    Is it anti-Semitism to wonder why so many American Jews, many with dual citizenship with that Apartheid nightmare, are always cheering on the slaughter in the ME while always providing cover for their fav nation whenever it goes on another homicidal rampage against defenseless Gaza and steals more land from the native Palestinians in the West Bank?

    • Replies: @Lot
  20. Amasius says:

    “A subset of American Jews—a subset, a minority—suffer from a kind of psychological deformation that keeps them trapped in a particular, strangely atavistic type of paranoia, of victim mentality.”

    It’s just a subset, a minority, of blacks who commit murder and mayhem, and a subset, a minority, of moslems who do taharrush and terror attacks. What sort of argument/defense is this?

    Kevin MacDonald > John Derbyshire.

  21. geokat62 says:
    @Mark Green

    I recommend that you read more essays by Kevin MacDonald, Gilad Aztmon, or Philip Giraldi.

    I second that motion.

  22. Interesting to compare and contrast with Australian Jews who have not been mostly Reform/Liberal escapers from Russian pogroms before the 1930s. And the 1940s and post WW2 large boost to numbers tended more to orthodoxy but, especially, to no particular 19th century Russian pogrom fixation. Still very pro Israel.

    Informed response to this very welcome.

    Australian Jews have tended to be strong on refugee issues (not very notably against border protection as a community I think but there are prominent Jewish names against Australia’s effective policies). Good Jewish displacement activities for those with the good old-fashioned WASP social conscience have been directed to doing ostensibly and arguably good things for Australia’s tiny Aboriginal population.

  23. Stogumber says:

    As a Christian, I’m convinceed that all paranoid and hostile Jews can be redeemed, can be indeed delivered from their paranoia and hostility. (That’s the good message to the Jews.) In this respect, I’m perhaps no anti-semite – in all other respects I will accept the label humbly and without protest.

  24. @guest

    Certainly it doesn’t mean someone who objectively hates Jews. It has come to mean anyone Jews, or those speaking for Jews, don’t like. Jews could start disliking you any day, if they don’t already.

    I agree completely with ‘guest’ above. I would only add that, even if you never actually mentioned the J-word in any of those columns you wrote, they can still retroactively declare that such-and-such a phrase, thesis or even objective fact (‘Jews are over-represented in academia, finance, etc.’) is anti-semetic. When they own the media, there is no way you can defend yourself in public from such an accusation, however inapt or scurrilous.

  25. Richard S says:

    I always suspected that Derb was “Skype wise”, but protested otherwise to help his career as a writer in New York… And yet they still sacked him and made him deplorable

  26. Randal says:

    However, I’ve turned against the word “philosemite,” for reasons I’ve explained elsewhere. Basically, it’s patronizing. If pressed on the issue, I call myself an anti-anti-Semite. I cherish my Jewish friends, and I have publicly—and again, I think, more than once—expressed gratitude in print for the positive contribution Jews have made to our civilization, way out of proportion to their numbers.

    As an English/British nativist I regard my country as a basically Christian one (yes, I know that’s old fashioned, and I know there was a time when my country was not Christian). I take the view that jewish influence is as alien as muslim, Buddhist and all the other non-Christian foreign influences that exist in my country. I do not, of course, take the view that all those foreign influences are equally benign or equally malign.

    I have been told by an obsessive jewish anti-antisemite snitch and witch-finder that my stating this was “probably the most disgustingly antisemitic comment I have ever seen on any forum“. This from a man who openly boasted about his role in arranging for actual prosecutions of several anti-Semitic “hate speechers” (and gloated extensively about the suffering he had been able to vicariously inflict upon his victims by using these laws against them).

    I grew up strongly pro-Israel and in a household which could probably be classed as philo-semitic. It was only after I watched Israel becoming increasingly the cause of trouble in the ME once its military security had been assured, in the 1980s and 1990s, and I began to be harassed by jewish zealots and partisans for criticism of Israel, that it even occurred to me to regard jews and jewishness as having any particular negative aspects, in the way I have always viewed islam. Further movement in that direction resulted from recognising that jewish influence in my own country’s politics (often via US media and politics) was frequently massively harmful, in advocating for wars of aggression and interventionism, aligning us with Israel, and pushing aggressively globalist, anti-white, and socially liberal agendas.

    The final seal on that journey was set in place by the direct jewish harassment I have received in recent years merely for expressing opinions such as those above. When someone threatens to have me prosecuted for expressing my opinions, I take it personally

    Nowadays I tend to regard jewish influence as broadly negative, as I long have regarded muslim influence. Such a judgement is, of course, only ever a generalisation.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Regarding the global elite, it seems much more at its base Anglo-Saxon and more broadly Western European, and the Jews in it tend to be miscegenated (mostly with NW Europeans, increasingly with NE Asians) and ultra-assimilated. Bret Stephens wasn’t engaging in intensive Torah study at Middlesex boarding school, the University of Chicago, and the London School of Economics.

    Ashkenazi Jews, prior to their “miscegenating” with NW Europeans were already European genetically. Not Middle Eastern. They are certainly not genetically continuous with the Jews of the Bible.

    • Replies: @biz
  28. I love that notion that a panel of two Jews, two Christians, all four Lille-White, privileged, connected, “educated”, sit around and bat about the percentage of Trump voters that are irredeemable and deplorable and racist. They name the group, White, working class, lower-caste Trump supporters. Then, they assign varying levels of racism to us? And the Jewish debaters of course, in THEIR racism, assign higher levels of racism to the Trump Goyim than the Christian debaters and of course, the Jews consider US irredeemable more than the Gentile elites at the panel debate.

    These are the elites that set the illegals on the rest of us, empower Blacks to their violence (not a word for THEIR racism and violence, of course) and live in their gated communities traveling on armed security details and limousines. This panel, they’re the same coin, different side, both sides elite, except the Jews have more money, no doubt. Being a Multi-Culti Deplorable however, I will happily observe if not assist, the anarchy that goes looking for these elites. When the balloon goes up, when the gated communities are swamped and the mobs are looking for these people to repay the anarchy these elites themselves create, the mobs will not discriminate, they will cut ALL the elite throats. Mustn’t be anti-Semite! In that scenario, ALL the elites die.

    • Replies: @laura r
  29. Rehmat says:

    John Derbyshire – I’m afraid like the most western brainwashed people you don’t know anything about ANTISEMITISM.

    I remember, a few years ago, Dr. Richard Falk, former UNHRC special envoy for Palestine commented on one of my posts saying that my applying the word JEW is ‘antisemitic’ as it insults the JEWISH PEOPLE.

    In 2015, I learned the truth while watching how the British Organized Jewry condemned Jeremy Corbyn for attending a few Palestinian events which involved British Jewish blogger Paul Eisen. The ANTISEMITISM AWARD has nothing to do with hating Jews. It’s all about Jewish occupation of Palestine and the SIX MILLION DIED unproven story.

    “I have no contact now whatsoever with Paul Eisen and Deir Yassin Remembered. I did attend a number of events concerning Deir Yassin Remembered some years ago, I think two or three of them.” Corbyn said that at that time he didn’t know Paul Eisen was a Holocaust denier, otherwise I had not associated with him.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/19/in-defense-of-paul-eisen/

  30. WJ says:

    I was always surprised by the gentiles that enjoyed Borat. It was one big joke and insult to American goys yet those same goys, many who also probably liked the movie Jackass, loved it.

    The lousy creep who played Borat got his rear beaten by a gentile vibrant in New York City because he played one of his routines on him

    • Replies: @SFG
  31. Sam Shama says:
    @Mark Green

    No, I think Derb has it right; it is in fact a small minority set [of Jews] which is afflicted by this cossacks-at-the-door syndrome. Looked at the Jewish assimilation rates lately?

    Gilad Atzmon is mad. Being Jewish he permits himself a distorted privilege of parsing an innumerable variety of different types of Jewish paranoia which run the gamut of political, ethno-cultural and historical reasons. It’s bloody ridiculous. As for Giraldi, I think he’s got a point; AIPAC is a not a force for great good, not for Israel and assuredly not for this country. It has a membership of 100,000. However at time he takes his position to a place where it fails to distinguish cause from effect [who drives U.S. aid to Israel? Think]

    There are many organisations and advocacy groups which boast much larger memberships. Yet we are housed in a majoritarian rule based society, where advocacy remains an important cornerstone. For example, you might be a gun ownership advocate [I am] and therefore an NRA member. Many aren’t, and these persons are free to express their voices, indeed free to attempt a change, but only through the same majoritarian system.

    I think your position is flawed where you see the Jewish hand at work, your default factor, behind all perceived wrongdoing. Well fine, you are free to think so, but it does not make you right.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Alec Leamas
  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rever Leo

    You’d be better off if your world trip had ended in Galway with a nice red headed Irish woman. You’d have five or six kids with post graduate or professional qualifications and plenty of grandkids. Your mother might not have approved but that was Northampton. She’d probably have gritted her teeth and moved over as well.

    I don’t get this. Derb was afflicted with yellow fever as a young man. Once stricken you have for life. He’d be miserable for life if he was stuck with a white wife. He’d probably end up like all those philosemitic cucks that abound.

    • Replies: @sb
  33. annamaria says:

    The viciousness and prejudiceses of Kossaks have been overwritten by Zionists’ viciousness and prejudiceses to “others” long time ago.
    Ben Gurion: “What matters is not what the goyim say, but what the Jews do.”
    See what the Jews did when they were left to their own devices.
    1. In Israel, Zionists have created torture chambers that would please Mengele.
    2. The “only democracy” in the Middle East has classified all documents related to Nakba (the Palestinian Holocaust committed by Jewish settlers). There is also a history of Gaza Ghetto (rings Warsaw Ghetto) and the well-documented acts of “mowing the grass” – bloody collective punishment of the Israel-occupied population of Gaza Ghetto.
    3. But the greatest crime against humanity was the ziocons’ (Zionist neoconservatives’) planning and implementation of the murderous wars in the Middle East in the name of mythical Eretz Israel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815).
    As a result of the plan, millions died (among them the multitude of children) and millions were displaced (see the refugee-flooded Europe and the washed out dead on the shores of Mediterranean sea). This is a bloody stain on the Jewish tribe – a stain that was intuited beforehand by Einstein, Arendt and other consciousness and bright Jewish minds.
    The powerful Israel-firsters acted criminally towards the Middle East states in cahoots with other war profiteers, by using the US might for the Israel’s ends.
    To assure the US participation in the illegal wars against Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the Israel-firsters (Feith, Wolfowitz, Bernard Lewis, Elliott Abrams et al) and their gentile collaborators (Cheney, Rumsfeld and such) first “modified” the US “brain” by weeding out the professional experts in the Middle East. (“Test by Fire: The War Presidency of George W. Bush,” by R. Swansbrough; “The architects of war: where are they now?:” https://thinkprogress.org/the-architects-of-war-where-are-they-now-52ff022f9bfe#.bllrvabjl).
    “That approach [of weeding out the experts] was vividly described some years ago by Col. Pat Lang (ret.), a former Green Beret and the top Middle East analyst in the Defence Intelligence Agency who had spent most oif his career in the region and who had been recommended to head the Pentagon office of special operations under Bush. Asked by Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, a neo-conservative close to Abrams, whether it was true he knew Arabs well and that he spoke Arabic fluently, Lang replied affirmatively. “That’s too bad,” Lang quoted Feith as telling him. “And that was the end of the interview.”
    Thus, it was not only Iraqis who were not listened to; also ignored were those in and outside the government who were most knowledgeable about Iraqis…” https://lobelog.com/as-iraq-anniversary-fades-strategic-narcissism-stands-out/
    An illustration to the Israel-firsters’ attitude towards the US:
    “Neuro-parasitogy of the Jewel Wasp and its Zombie Cockroach Host:” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg

  34. @Randal

    I think this Chesterton quote is apt:

    “But let there be one single-clause bill; one simple and sweeping law about Jews, and no other. Be it enacted, by the King’s Most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons in Parliament assembled, that every Jew must be dressed like an Arab. Let him sit on the Woolsack, but let him sit there dressed as an Arab. Let him preach in St. Paul’s Cathedral, but let him preach there dressed as an Arab. It is not my point at present to dwell on the pleasing if flippant fancy of how much this would transform the political scene; of the dapper figure of Sir Herbert Samuel swathed as a Bedouin, or Sir Alfred Mond gaining a yet greater grandeur from the gorgeous and trailing robes of the East. If my image is quaint my intention is quite serious; and the point of it is not personal to any particular Jew. The point applies to any Jew, and to our own recovery of healthier relations with him. The point is that we should know where we are; and he would know where he is, which is in a foreign land.”

    I have half a mind to drop this gem into the discussion at your link.

    • Replies: @Randal
  35. jake says:
    @guest

    Derb is right about Cossacks. That subset of Jews fears Coassacks. To them,Nazis are very much Cossacks of the West. If you doubt that, pay attention to all the Jews, Neocon and Leftist, who make Putin into the worst thing possible. Putin they see as reviving the ‘Cossacks.’ That subset of Jews will always hate Russia the most – unless Russia is ruled by Jews or Marxists.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
  36. TheBoom says:

    John is usually clear headed. This issue is one that he treats like most conservatives do race. He can’t bring himself to admit the truth so he sugar coats it.

    It is more than a small subset of Jews who are waging war on white society and people through open borders, shaming and cultural marxism. It is almost the entire Jewish elite which, as we know, dominates the broadcast news industry, banking, entertainment industries and is prominant disproportionately in print/online journalism and academia. There has been a very open, blunt full out assault on white people who won’t go with the plan ever since the Trump train started rolling down the tracks. I and a lot of others are fed up.

    I just wish there could be some type of negative consequence for Jews for betraying their country and declaring war on the citizens who built it. Alas, Israel is safeguarded by both parties. The only positive note is that Jews are reaping the negative consequences of helping turn universities into leftist indoctrination centers and flooding the country with Mexicans and Muslims. Anti-Israel sentiments are rising on the left and anti-Jewish sentiments seem to be tagging along. How cool is that?

    • Agree: ogunsiron
  37. nsa says:

    Jooie brainpower is vastly overrated. For your own survival, voluntarily remove yourselves from public life and go back to your specialty….cheating the white trash peasantry at your crappy mattress and bauble stores, and taking a slice of everyone’s everything via wall street and the banks. It’s called LOW PROFILE. Make your shekels but stop trying to kill your host…….a word to the wise.

  38. This article is spot on. Creepy Jews like Rubin, Jonah Greenberg, Ben Shapiro and Bret Stephens are the real threat to ordinary Jewish people. Ron Unz, who puts out the Unz Review, is a normal, patriotic American. He is, I assume, proud of his Jewish heritage. At some point the Unz’s are going to have to deal with the dingleberrys who are really the ones who stoke the fires of anti-Semitism.

  39. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Democratic Party

    A Muzzie Mohammadan Gang Rape Army and Chaz Bono coalition

    The Greatest Freak Show on Earth Ladies and Gentleman!!!!

    John

    Matt Lauer sat across from me last summer one morning at Hamptons Coffee.If I see him there again at Hamptons Coffee I’ll say to him:”Matt…I just want to thank you for neurologically destabilizing Hillary with your questions about her toilet email server”.Those midnight Huma Muzzie lickings can sure turn a brain into a spongified Cantor Set-with dem there MUZZIE SY…PHY….LUSS SPHIROCHEETES!!!!!(Cornu Spiral?..be the right drilling shape) drilling away…

  40. sb says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m a bit intrigued about Derb’s moving from a more white country to a less white one .

    My impression is that it is still much easier to live your life in a pretty much white world in the UK than the US but I guess it depends where exactly you live ( ie not the New York region which rivals downtown Tel Aviv )

  41. Dr. X says:

    Looks like Derb is finally starting to “get it” on “the Jewish Question.” Good for him. As he correctly points out, Jews in the intellectual/media/government class are constantly forming de facto coalitions with other minorities against the white, Christian, American, so-called “nativist” culture.

    What he does not say, but I think he would quite readily acknowledge, is that nearly all of the aforementioned Jews act in a way that is extremely nativist regarding Israel, and are extremely protective of Jewish identity, while denying the white Christian majority the same right to be as protective of their identity and culture. Border walls, profiling of terrorists, refusal to perform gay marriage or marriage of Jews and Goyim, and a heavily armed citizenry are acceptable for Israel — but not for America.

    To us Goyim, this looks like glaring hypocrisy and an intolerable double-standard, while “God’s Chosen people” regard a different set of rules favoring themselves as quite natural and acceptable.

  42. SFG says:
    @WJ

    More of an attack on the particular varieties of goyim cool people in big cities, Jewish and otherwise, don’t like.

    If you look at some of his earlier stuff as Ali G he started making fun of famous people. Thing is, the famous and well-connected watched HBO or knew people who did so they got wise to him. So naturally he had to go after rural and lower-income people who didn’t know who Ali G or Borat were.

  43. KenH says:

    In this mentality, it’s always 1881 and we’re still in Russia.

    No, it’s always 1933 all over again and there’s always some Hitler incarnate that we must confront whether Milosevic, Saddam, Assad, Putin and now Trump.

    …….and I am speaking of a subset of a subset of American Jews—into a generalized dislike, a prejudice, against white Christians.
    .
    That’s why so many Jews are so passionately committed to mass Third World immigration.

    First it’s a subset of a subset of American Jews then it’s a very large number, possibly a majority. For the record, 80% of American Jews vote for the liberal/left wing Democrat who is often hostile to Christianity and white people. I think that number dipped to 70% in 2012 not because of Obama’s antagonism towards America and the founding European stock but due to his perceived antagonism towards their beloved Israel.

    All ten Jewish senators support amnesty and race replacement legal immigration levels. Not a coincidence.

    The Jews think they are being smart by implementing and supporting policies that will lead to the diminution and race replacement of white Americans who have been their very best host race. But little do they know that the cossacks of the future will be black, Latino and Muslim and whitey will be unwilling or unable to come to their rescue as in WWII.

    • Replies: @Him Over There
  44. Wally says: • Website
    @guest

    ‘antisemitic’:

    any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    • Replies: @rod1963
  45. The defensive posture of Jews is, at this point, indistinguishable from bald aggression. If there ever was a meaningful distinction it has surely been lost.

    The cycle is so predictable and inevitable as to be almost purposeful. Jews are hostile to the host society purportedly as a prophylactic measure. The host society has its fill of Jews and their hostility and as a consequence has them out one way or the other. The remnant moves on to a new host and repeats the process.

    At a certain point it becomes evident that the defensive rationale is cover for a sense of Jewish supremacy. It is right that Jews should rule the host by their wits and turn it into a multicult bazaar in which they can become wealthy hawking their wares even if the host population would find it confounding and alienating. To oppose the project or identify it as essentially Jewish is tantamount to organizing a pogrom.

    Jews having been given such a free reign in the West it is punishable as a crime to state what I have just written in some jurisdictions – is this state of affairs truly a defensive measure? Is it not clear that this is aggression disguised as defense, vast power disguised as weakness?

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Dr. X
    , @KenH
  46. biz says:
    @Anonymous

    Dumb. Your own link largely opposes your claim (see the section on Y chromosomes), and the scientific consensus on genetic and historical evidence is entirely against you. Contemporary Jews are genetically continuous with the Jews of the Bible, and also have admixture from other regions (mostly Italy in the case of Ashkenazi Jews). This is settled science, and you are either ignorant of it or (more likely) intentionally lying.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @dearieme
  47. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    No, I think Derb has it right; it is in fact a small minority set [of Jews] which is afflicted by this cossacks-at-the-door syndrome. Looked at the Jewish assimilation rates lately?

    Gilad Atzmon is mad.

    Hi, Sam. I have to admit, I really missed exchanging comments with you. During my hiatus, I had the opportunity to read GA’s The Wondering Who? Needless to say, it was an interesting read. In Chapter 1, he makes the following observation:

    As far as self-perception is concerned, those who call themselves Jews could be divided into three main categories:

    1. Those who follow Judaism.
    2. Those who regard themselves as human beings that happen to be of Jewish origin.
    3. Those who put their Jewish-ness over and above all of their other traits.

    You once informed UR readers that most Jews are Zionists. I guess this means that they fall into Atzmon’s 3rd category? If that’s true, doesn’t that call into question your claim that a “small minority set [of Jews] which is afflicted by this cossacks-at-the-door syndrome”?

    As for Giraldi,… [AIPAC] has a membership of 100,000. However at time he takes his position to a place where it fails to distinguish cause from effect [who drives U.S. aid to Israel? Think]

    I’ve been thinking, but being a dumb goy, I can’t for the life of me figure out “who drives US aid to Israel,” except for the Lobby.

    There are many organisations and advocacy groups which boast much larger memberships. Yet we are housed in a majoritarian rule based society, where advocacy remains an important cornerstone.

    True. But can these organizations and advocacy groups boast donor names like Saban and Adelson?

    I think your position is flawed where you see the Jewish hand at work, your default factor, behind all perceived wrongdoing.

    Not “all,” Sam. But I think you know how significant that influence is and the damage it’s doing to American interests… just ask Mearsheimer and Walt.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Sam Shama
  48. neutral says:

    For those here saying its just a small group of jews that are the problem, please note that jews overwhelmingly support left wing movements and governments everywhere in the world (ignoring Israel for obvious reasons). Their voting habits will tell the same story whichever country you are in.

    But lets for argument sakes say it is just the elite jews, the problem is still where did these elite jews come from ? Blankfein, Zuckerberg, Soros, Marx, Rubin, Howard Stern, etc, etc, most of them had humble origins, yet ultimately they behave like they do because of their jewish nature. This is really the main problem, its easy to say its the elite, but fundamentally it is not because of that, it is because of their jewish nature. That is why I say that anti semitism is a perfectly rational reaction to the problem of semitism, their behaviour is very predictable and if you are pro white then anti semitism is a very logical thing to do.

  49. @Sam Shama

    No, I think Derb has it right; it is in fact a small minority set [of Jews] which is afflicted by this cossacks-at-the-door syndrome. Looked at the Jewish assimilation rates lately?

    I think you’re conflating intermarriage with assimilation. Jews have always intermarried in differing degrees, and DNA analysis proposes that Ashkenazi Jews collected gentile wives from the Italian peninsula on their way to disbursing across Europe.

    Further, who is assimilating into whom? Are Jews singing Dixie and attending NASCAR races? Are they practicing Christianity and joining the armed forces of the United States in large numbers? The elite New Class culture is an essentially Jewish creation. Critique, nihilism, subversion and chauvinism draped in the mantle of virtue. Sneer at your supposed cultural inferiors. Mock the faith and values of their fathers. Patriotism is a punchline, replaced by urban cosmopolitanism.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  50. Its funny that people like Rubin and Stephens are all multiculturalism for the US and all nativist apartheid when it comes to Israel. There is a psychological term called projection which states you project onto others your own failings. I think it sums up these gatekeepers except the rabble they lost control over supports their vision of Israel too. The only reason to pay attention to Rubin is to get a good belly laugh from her nativist war propaganda for Israel. The comments section at the Washington Post is always better, with most of the people making fun of her instead of agreeing with her.

  51. Jews are very politically active as a group, but I’ve never seen groups of Jews protest against immigration and the displacement of whites, or violence against whites in the U.S. or Europe. Jews are far more likely to protest against the displacement of Palestinians by Israel than they are to oppose demographic change in the West, or racial violence and rape directed against whites by minorities, and they aren’t very likely to do even that.

    I’m afraid that The Derb just labeled much of his audience “irredeemables.”

  52. AndrewR says:
    @Mark Green

    Yeah, I lost much my my respect for Derb when he referred to Sysan Sonntag as a “white ethnomasochist.”

    Pure cowardice.

  53. @Lot

    The stated hypothesis is that Jewish fear of peasant violence is driving an important share of the NeverTrump sentiment. How does the evidence you provide refute the hypothesis?

  54. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Lot

    Lot, maybe you can explain to this poor, dumb Gentile why only Jews seem to be qualified to run the USA’s finances, by having control over the US Treasury and the potent FED?

    Current US Treasury Secretary is Jacob Lew, his second is Sarah Bloom. Adam Gzubin is the head of the department flinging the economic sanctions against ME nations and Russia.
    Past Treasury heads, have been Tim Geithner; Larry Summers and Robert Rubin-who helped Clinton make it easier for Wall Street casinos to steal our money–all Jews and just for pointing out the truth, I’m guilty of anti-Semitism.
    The only Gentile recently was Hank Paulson, who was needed during the Great Depression of 2008 to reassure Americans that there is nothing wrong, go back to sleep.

    The FED is run by Janet Yellen, whose second in command, Stanley Fisher, is a dual-citizen, who was the past head of an Israel bank. Before Yellen it was ‘Shalom’ Bernanke, and before him it was Alan Greenspan.

    But don’t even think or wonder why no Gentile’s are appointed to these crucial positions, because that’s anti-Semitism and you’ll be hounded until you no longer exist in the cyber world.

    I could go into who controls the majority of the thoroughly rotten and corrupt US media, but let’s stick with the FED and Treasury.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @John Jeremiah Smith
  55. 5371 says:
    @biz

    Bullshit, hasbara boy. The Jews are like the modern “Assyrians” – the residue of a religious community pretending to be an ethnic group, and dressing themselves up in stolen feathers. Your interlocutor is entirely right about the evidence, and you are woefully wrong.

    • Replies: @biz
  56. Dwright says:

    Is there a “talk” we can have with Derb on this issue? Or was this it?

  57. gbloco says:
    @JohnnyD

    that is the problem. most white Christian Americans do not want the diversity which you need to get over your neurosis….

  58. dearieme says:
    @biz

    “Contemporary Jews are genetically continuous with the Jews of the Bible”: as I understand it, Ashkenazis are about 50% descended from people of the Near East, who may or may not have been “Jews of the Bible”, but it would be unsurprising if they were. Which “Jews of the Bible” is another question: to what extent were the Jews in Judea and Galilee at the time of Jesus effectively the same people as the Jews who feature in the myths of Moses, Solomon, and so on? In fact, is there any sense in asking about the relationship between real, historical people, and people who occur in myths?

    Meantime, the current Palestinians are (wild guess) maybe 70% descended from the “Jews of the Bible” of Jesus’s time. If anyone has any facts, rather than a wild guess, I’d be interested to hear them.

  59. Dr. X says:
    @jake

    That subset of Jews will always hate Russia the most – unless Russia is ruled by Jews or Marxists.

    Once upon a time, there was an Austrian corporal who regarded this as a distinction without a difference.

  60. gbloco says:
    @Mark Green

    I think that what we see in this debate from the Jewish panelists is not ATAVISM but EMANCIPATION. They apparently feel emboldened enough to lecture Christians in the most Christian country on the planet on why their religion is wrong.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  61. namae nanka says: • Website

    There is no militant Nativism to speak of in America; but there is militant Alienism, and it has power not only in the law but in the current culture propagated by the media and the academy. The very fact that Alienism was nameless until I came along, while there were a dozen words, all invidious, for Nativist attitudes, shows how thoroughly entrenched the Alienist perspective is.

    http://www.wildwestcycle.com/f_pensees.htm

  62. Randal says:
    @Alec Leamas

    LOL! Sadly I think comments are now closed on that article, but you should definitely look out for that individual on other Disqus threads and drop that one on him. I’d say his most likely response will be to personally abuse you as a revolting anti-Semite, explain to you that you are that way because you’ve had no achievements in life, and try to get your comment censored and you banned from posting at whatever publication it is posted on. If you persist, he’ll try to get you prosecuted, if he thinks you are in one of the countries that has already abandoned free political speech for “hate speech” laws.

  63. @dearieme

    You could check haplotypes & compare Jews (Ashenazim) with similar ethnic groups.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_group

  64. The truth is that the Jews are always plotting against the People and with the “Elites”, so, naturally they are always paranoid. They call this “anti-semitism.” They just do not understand anything about what is right or what is wrong, or what is good or what is bad, or what is true and what is false!

    Besides, “anti-semitism” is a nonsense term. The Palestinians are Semitic – most Jews who call themselves Jews are NOT Semitic.

    There is a new and wonderful book by Gerard Menuhin called “Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil.” Read it and understand.

    Gerard Menuhin is the son of the great violinist Yehudi Menuhin. (Yehudi means “Jew.”)

    Poor Jews really need to understand that their paranoia is something they themselves create. They aretaught from birth that all mankind hates them! They are taught this by their “leaders” (those sinister rabbis and the descendants of those sinister Levites)
    so that they are controlled and USED for the sinister ends of those “leaders”.

    No really intelligent man or woman would allow this to be done to them. The genuinely intelligent person born into Judaism (a materialistic cult and nothing more) escapes from this horrible inhuman cult.

    Judaism is not a religion at all. Only a fool could believe that God “chooses”! God cannot choose! God is infinite compassion. How can Infinite Compassion choose???

    They are silly people. And any parent who could indoctrinate their own innocent child to believe that all of mankind hates them is simply a most cruel and stupid person. It is nothing but psychological child abuse of the most terrible cruelty.

    What kind of a parent wants their child to feel afraid of all of mankind? It is absolutely unnatural. NO other people do this. ALL parents want their children to be happy and confident and at ease with the World – but not the Jews!

    And they blame ALL the rest of mankind!

    Not intelligent!

  65. Sam Shama says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Are you singing Dixie and attending Nassacre on a regular basis? Are those the pinnacle of American cultural markers?

    I’d say football, apple pie, thanksgiving, love for the works of Hemmingway, Faulkner, Melville , Lee are more American. And plenty of Jews do that. In fact I’d speculate without direct evidence that proportionally similar to the general population.

    I am familiar with the genetic studies. In fact there are some whole genome studies which found startling results suggesting wider admixture and Jewish dropout from identification with the faith. It is extremely expensive to remain a Jew [a direct corollary being remaining members are generally wealthier]. Google helps.

    [Critique, nihilism, subversion and chauvinism draped in the mantle of virtue. Sneer at your supposed cultural inferiors]

    Yes, and you have observed all this yourself among the many Jews you call friends and neighbours, am I right? It’s unmitigated nonsense. Spare me the ‘patriotic’ drumbeat please and recount your experience, even a few, where you’ve felt a Jewish person pulling cultural rank over you, and I will show you an idiot. Most likely you don’t have any.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  66. Another book to remember is The Bible Unearthed by Israel Finkelstein.

    There is no evidence of any presence of Hebrew or Jewish on what they presently call “Israel”, nor any evidence of an exodus from Egypt – actually no evidenceof any Hebrew or Jewish presence in Egypt.

    The psalms are actually Egyptian psalms and Christianity originated in Egypt. Jesus Christ was not a Jew!

    The Jews originated in Yemen and the South of what is presently Saudi Arabia.

    Look into Wayne Madsen’s article called “The Most Whispered Secret in the Middle East.”
    and read “Egypt Knew No Pharaohs Or Israelites.” by Ashraf Ezzat.

  67. @dearieme

    Read The Bible Unearthed. by the great Jewish archaeologist Israel Finkelstein then look for the Youtube video called “The Walls Come Tumblin’ Down.”

    That video was made by John McCarthy the journalist who was held hostage by young Muslim militants in Beirut in the nineties, for five tears in solitary confinement.

    He had nothing to do all day but read the Bible which was allowed him.

    After being released he decided to go to “the Holy Land” to look into things for himself.

    It is a fascinating series of videos.

    Read also Christ in Egypt by DM Murdock.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  68. Do you guys sincerely believe in all this Jewish conspiracy stuff ? In a Manichaean manner, Jews playing the role of Ahriman ? I mean- really, really believe ?

    I have the Eiffel tower to sell you …

  69. @Randal

    I clicked on the DT comment link you provided, great reading! I have to ask, since “Robberdog” was condemning your attempts to virally infect proper discourse with nativist argument; did you receive a great deal of pushback from other commenters as well? It would follow that a multitude of other commenters would also recognize your insidious efforts to sabotage the customer base of the magazine.

    • Replies: @Randal
  70. Randal says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Obviously can’t speak for those who believe in an actual overarching jewish conspiracy, but the evidence for disproportionate jewish influence in media and politics is clearly evident to anyone who experiences censorship and even prosecution for expressing opinions that are “anti-Semitic”. Good luck trying to generate such harassment for anybody expressing equivalently anti-white opinions.

    Here’s one of my own bits of anecdotal evidence:

    And whilst we’re on the subject of deletions…I’m going for the big one, ie, the ultimate solution to the Randal problem. I’ve already been in touch with one of Disqus’ two founders in San Francisco, and I’ll be furnishing him with details of the police investigation into your hate-speech. He’s got a Jewish wife and many of his investors (who will be contacted if necessary) are Jewish too. Those Jews eh?

    As it happens he hasn’t succeeded with that particular piece of harassment yet, although he succeeded in getting me banned from The National Interest and from Spectator Blogs using the same special connection. Clearly there are some jewish people for whom commitment to freedom of speech is more genuine than for others (such as our host here, I assume).

    Shall I try writing to the various white non-Jewish owners and managers of some major publications asking them to ban people who’ve been making anti-white comments? How far do you think I’d get?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  71. nsa says:
    @dearieme

    The stupidity here is amazing. Google up Eran Elhaik….an Israeli geneticist who specializes in racial DNA research. His DNA studies indicate that 95% of the population of Israel are NOT related by blood to the denizens of the old testament i.e. the zio biblical racial stuff is all self-serving crap. He has verified the Khazarian hypothesis….modern jooies are mostly descended from a tribe of caucasus perps who were evicted …..surprise, surprise…..for chronic criminality and scheming. Opening levant tombs for DNA testing reveals present day “palestinians” are the most closely related genetically to the old testament jooies….having undergone a forced muzzie conversion somewhere in history. The scientific facts are available to anyone interested…….

  72. Rich says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Apparently, Timothy Geithner was half-German and Half English and a Christian to boot. You’ll have to cross him off your list.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
    , @old okie
  73. unit472 says:

    I was laying in bed watching TV and flipping channels when I saw CNN’s Jake Tapper sitting in for Charlie Rose. Curious I left it there and Jake was talking with some State Department official about Syria. Tapper brought up Trump’s son’s comment ‘Would you eat from a bowl of Skittles if you knew three of them had been poisoned’ in reference to bringing Syrian refugees to the US. The State Department official squirmed as he had no reasonable reply to Tapper. He switched to his ( Jewish) heritage and filibustered with an cartoonish tale about his Bialystok born step father. Auschwitz,Maidenek, Treblinka. He had been in all of them ( but survived, he always survived though no one else from his school did). On a ‘death march’ in 1945 he runs away and again survives and hides in the woods until he hears the rumble of machinery. Were the Nazis sending Panzers to look for the escaped Jew? No, by the grace of God, instead of the hated swastika there was a white star on the tank. The invincible Jew runs out of the woods waving with joy and, instead of a burst of machinegun fire from the American tank, the hatch pops open and a negro tank commander appears!

    The story had all the authenticity of a fairy tale and yet here was a senior State Department official reciting ( probably for the 100th time) it as if it was the truth.

  74. Randal says:
    @Neil Templeton

    I’m used to pushback from all the special interest groups I annoy by skewering their sacred cows. The amount depends upon the readership of the publication in question, generally. But robbersdog’s the first to ever credibly threaten prosecution (in fairness to others, these anti-dissent laws are only nowadays starting to be properly enforced), and the only one to actually succeed in getting me banned, from two publications (The National Interest and the Spectator blogs), though many have reported me for, variously, “homophobic”, “racist”, “sexist” and other comments advocating traditionalist conservative opinions. Clearly, as well as good timing, jewish would-be censors benefit from institutional and political connections at the highest levels, perhaps more so than the run of the mill special interest identity groups.

    Mind you I was banned sharpish from the Guardian (many years ago), but I think that was the management’s decision without any special pleading needed. I don’t mind that, as I’d expect openly leftist publications to frown on traditionalist opinions. It’s the ones who pretend to be “conservative” that annoy me, by their dishonesty.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  75. @Sam Shama

    Are you singing Dixie and attending Nassacre on a regular basis? Are those the pinnacle of American cultural markers?

    Forgive the limits of my goyishe kopf but these are the shibboleths of the American culture despised by Jews. Good, bad or indifferent they among other things are part of the dominant culture which alleged to be “assimilating” Jews should be joining in rather than the other way round. That’s the point – you’re not assimilating when you make the dominant culture more palatable to you and more like your own. You’re asserting supremacy.

    I’d say football, apple pie, thanksgiving, love for the works of Hemmingway, Faulkner, Melville , Lee are more American. And plenty of Jews do that. In fact I’d speculate without direct evidence that proportionally similar to the general population.

    Right! Somebody has to own the teams! Wakka Wakka:

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/28/gene-simmons-jews-football-own-teams-la-kiss/

    Who else would tell us that Ahab is a repressed homosexual and the white wale a giant phallus? That’s appreciation if I ever heard it!

    It is extremely expensive to remain a Jew [a direct corollary being remaining members are generally wealthier].

    You’re going to have to explain why and how one’s ethnicity and religion could be unilaterally expunged by an insufficient income.

    Yes, and you have observed all this yourself among the many Jews you call friends and neighbours, am I right? It’s unmitigated nonsense. Spare me the ‘patriotic’ drumbeat please and recount your experience, even a few, where you’ve felt a Jewish person pulling cultural rank over you, and I will show you an idiot. Most likely you don’t have any.

    I could start with the childhood experiences of being one of a handful of gentiles at a Jewish summer camp for several years seriatim. It doesn’t matter though since no amount of experience and no number of similar experiences to my own would be sufficient for you. I could never satisfy your challenge since it is by design intended not to be satisfied. From childhood Jews are imbued with ethnic and moral chauvinism and among themselves have no compunction about expressing it.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  76. well, derp, has jewish friends. isn’t that special. and here, i thought he hated anybody not exactly like him.
    but, does derp apologize to blacks in the preface before he writes how stupid & inferior they are?
    curious.
    and curiouser still is how he developed his bigotry? were his parents racist & bigots? did a nigga steal his lunch money? is he a paranoid? does derp hide under his bed during thunderstorms? does he have deep-seated feelings of inferiority?
    i do feel sorry for his children, though. like father like son, and all that.
    alas, the world is filled with the closed-minded. no new information gets through. belief and opinion established in childhood is never reexamined. there is no growth, so no maturity.
    all us europeeps most likely have 1-4 % neanderthal dna.
    i suspect derp has a bit more.

    • Replies: @random observer
  77. @Jason Liu

    Deep down, they are first and foremost true believers, worshiping at the altar of Egalitarianism.

    No. First and foremost they self-identify as Jews, and as such, as natural rulers of all forms of mud-people, i.e. anyone who is not a Jew. There is no such thing formed in their minds as “egalitarianism” per se. That’s just a deceptive terminology. What is formed is “Babel”, from the Genesis legend with the ominous (and currently accurately descriptive) ending phrase “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”

    Jews are neo-nazis. They loot, pillage and burn. They push before them a host of defeated mud-people, with the intent of disrupting the next civilization they intend to pillage and burn.

    This time, it’s the USA. Fasten your seatbelts; it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

  78. @Bardon Kaldian

    Do you guys sincerely believe in all this Jewish conspiracy stuff ?

    Conspiracy in a global sense? Oh, hell no. Jews work together to dominate the Gentiles, then quarrel among themselves over the spoils. It has components of “conspiracy”, but mostly it’s a deliberate plan, organization, and action to achieve dominance, wealth and power.

    Do ONLY Jews do this? Of course not — history is full of such phenomena. However, at this point in time, Jews are the ascendant destroyers of American democracy. Whether American democracy is worth saving just by itself, I wouldn’t be inclined to believe particularly. But, I also don’t want myself and my children, and my children’s children, enslaved. Call me idealistic.

  79. @Greg Bacon

    I could go into who controls the majority of the thoroughly rotten and corrupt US media, but let’s stick with the FED and Treasury.

    If Garland is confirmed as Supreme Court justice, there will be four Jews on the Supreme Court. Four of nine. 44% of the nation’s highest court would be Jewish. Gosh, can’t represent the people of the USA much more effectively than THAT!

  80. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Hi Geo,
    I missed it as well adelfós, philosophical Greeks being a pain and I being a masochist for ethno-political vernacular! :-)

    As I recall [at least that is my position] I remarked that many jews, especially the ones that contribute to AIPAC are zionists in varying degrees. There are a 100k members, about a 1000 unreasonably wealthy. The most prominent ones like Saban and Adelson are extreme zionists. How does one go about preventing anyone from contributing to their chosen advocacy group? You tell me. If FARA is applicable, so be it. However I don’t see it happening.

    I’d say most American Jews are not preoccupied with Israel but impressions are driven by a vocal minority of busybodies. Silence them, quieten their strident tones using your equal right to voice the contrary, and mission accomplished you shall have.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  81. KenH says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Is it not clear that this is aggression disguised as defense, vast power disguised as weakness?

    By way of deception thou shalt do war. This is the motto of the Mossad but could also be the modus operandi of Jews living in the diaspora.

    • Replies: @Karl
  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mark Green

    “Derb understands the problem. All too well. But he lacks courage. Derb’s terrified of being labeled an ‘anti-Semite’.”

    Then he ought to realize, that just for writing this article, he already will be. Noticing things – letting on that you’ve noticed them – is what gets you in trouble.

  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Do we believe in your comic-book-like straw-man characterization of rather complicated social inter-relationships that we have actually observed in the world at large? No.

    Now I have a question for you: Have you stopped beating your wife?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  84. @Jason Liu

    Deep down, they are first and foremost true believers, worshiping at the altar of Egalitarianism.

    Modern Jewish people are class supremacist, specifically victim class supremacist.

    There’s nothing egalitarian about victim class supremacy.

    Victim class supremacy takes the form of constant agitation in favor of illicit national entitlements for victim cultists, and demonization of oppressor class people.

    The popular euphemism for victim class people is “diversity”.

    The popular euphemism for victim class people group entitlements is “inclusion”.

    http://www.mindexchange.com/diversity.htm

    By Group: African American, Alternate Lifestyle, Asian, Disabled, Hispanic & Latino, Jewish, Native American, Women

    Both the US and Israel implement a victim class supremacy scheme as a national policy.

  85. @Randal

    Thanks for the response. I didn’t realize that opinions were legally actionable in the UK.

    • Replies: @Randal
  86. @Randal

    Let’s see: Jews (or Organized Jewry) in the US have a disproportionate amount of power in financial circles & media (and a few other areas, but that is beside the point). Well- who zombified you guys ? Who prevented you from having equal or greater media clout ? Is Fox News, the most influential newsmedia, actually “Jewish” ?

    In the US, Jews are not dominant in banking- overrepresented yes, but not dominant; nor are they much present in other “moneyed” fields like oil & gas or military-industrial complex. Most big US banks don’t have a strong Jewish influence; to speak of Jews among Seven sisters or Lockheed Martin is outright silly.

    Also, media in most European countries (Germany, UK, France, Italy, Denmark, Spain,..) & Russia is in the hands of national, non-Jewish elites. And they- Russia apart- all spout the same liberal nonsense.

    Jews or no Jews, this is a phase of European & Europe-derived civilization with its own dynamics, causes & effects. Jewry’s influence is not negligible, but also- far from crucial. The weakness lies elsewhere.

    http://www.amren.com/features/2013/08/why-are-europeans-more-racially-aware/

    http://www.amren.com/features/2012/07/pathological-altruism/

  87. “I’d not an anti-Semite; I never have been; and I don’t have much time for anti-Semites.”

    Reminds me of “I’m not a racist, but…”.

    C’mon Derb! Why the obligatory disclaimer?

  88. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Forgot to mention: Aid to Israel is driven hugely by the armaments business. Its aided by AIPAC’s advocacy as well. I cannot place objective weights on each, but let’s just assume 50/50 [ I think its more like 80/20 biased in the direction of the arms interests]. Take away “aid” to Israel and some other way of recycling that money will be found. Count on it.

  89. @Mr. Anon

    To re-post old comments is a sign of laziness. But, what can I say: I’m lazy.

    So, for the umpteenth time.

    The crucial mistake virtually all conspiracy- theories minded people make is that they try to pin-point a clearly defined group (mostly religious, ethnic, racial,..) as *the* source of major socio-cultural changes, and frequently it’s Jews (sometimes masons or something similar).

    And this is a major misfire, because no such group exists. There is no causal connexion between any ethnicity/race/… & great upheavals in the West (and in the US) in past 3-4 decades, especially re immigration debates, influx of culturally & racially foreign and inimical masses, disintegration of family & denigration of national loyalties etc. To think that a group (or groups), which is relatively easy to identify, can be the source of such monumental upheavals bespeaks of historical illiteracy.

    There was no ethnic nor ideological group of people behind such shattering revolutions & world-view changes like transition from Roman republic to Imperial Rome, Protestant Reformation, Crusades, formation of national monarchies, Enlightenment, collapse of “divine rights” of kings, imperialist expansion of European powers, national awakening in the 19th C, WW1 and WW2,… Not Jews, not masons, not Illuminati, not Rosicrucians, not some occult brotherhood residing in the Himalayas.

    Simply, Western civilization has come to a dead end
    -as it was the continuity of the 18th C Enlightenment- and we are witnessing the processes of further decay, encapsulated in famous hypothetical question ascribed to Lenin: ” Are the forces which propel us to greatness the same that will, transformed by mutations of History, eventually lead to our collapse ?”

    A man who, despite his shortcomings & delusions about the role of technology, various national cultures and their dominant currents, understood this better than most was Oswald Spengler. The Western civilizational matrix is old and tired. And this is the root of the Western decline. That what plagues the West & the US the most (race replacement, PC “liberal” ideological muzzle, hedonist emptiness & biological collapse manifested in infertility, pathological altruism, lunatic ideological fashions like n-th wave of feminism, media aggression promoting “diversity” & homosexualism- as different from homosexuality, self-hatred of European & Western culture….)-this is as present, although a bit modified, in Italy, Spain, Denmark, Norway, France, Germany, Switerland,.. as in the US. And in these countries Jewish presence in the media & the overall life is negligible or non-existent.

    Although ruling elites differ in these countries, they are a mixture of hereditary aristocracy, established bourgeois families & plutocratic oligarchs. These groups have, historically, served their countries. Now, they are morally & culturally bankrupt and serve outmoded gods whose future is annihilation- similar situation that had befallen pompous & deluded aristocrats in the 18th-19th C or imperialist jingoists in the 20th.

    The failure of nerve that comes with exhausted & geriatric social-cultural matrix is to blame, not some group conspiracy.

    But, the societal-cultural matrix is exhausted, not the people. Mr. Derbyshire’s flaw, in my opinion, is linear extrapolation of current events. He should know from history this is a fatal mistake. Just compare Europe in 1930 (cars, planes, fascism, communism, cubism, quantum mechanics, relativity, psychoanalysis, radio, tanks, films, ..) and during 1900 (technologically, scientifically, ideologically and artistically more or less the same as 1880).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  90. FKA Max says:

    Counter-Semitism

    The Heresies of Pat Buchanan
    By Jacob Weisberg
    October 21, 1990
    Cruising for a bruising

    https://newrepublic.com/article/69035/the-heresies-pat-buchanan

    Joe Sobran, a syndicated columnist who was himself accused of anti-Semitism a few years ago, offers this perspective on the Pat Buchanan flap: “Jewish claims are being cut down to size in various ways. It’s coded by a lot of Jews as anti-Semitism. I don’t think it is. It’s more like counter-Semitism.”

    Sobran says that “counter-Semitism,” unlike anti-Semitism, does not seek a “negative outcome” for Jews. It is an attempt “to bring Jews down to the level of ordinary civil society.” According to Sobran, he shares with Buchanan, a friend, an urge to diminish “the excessive moral prestige Jews have in the media and the public square. . . . Jews deciding the standards, setting the criteria of humanity. Since they set themselves up as the arbiter, there is, if you’ll pardon the expression, a certain kill-the-umpire impulse. . . . People are looking at them and saying, come off it. This period of moral prestige has kind of ended.”

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  91. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting story that I’ve not told anyone but keeps ringing in my brain. A very good Jewish friend of mine from my youth invited me to his wedding to a wealthy Jewess in a rural seaside town on the eastern seaboard. This town is lightly populated because it’s largely made up of large acreage estates, not 1/4 acre cottage plots.

    He drove us around a couple of times to and from the wedding location. Near their estate was a normal home, likely populated by a local plumber or other tradesman type. Nestled in the corner of the lot was a colonial-era burial plot. Every time he passed the house, he noted to whomever was in the car, “see that? They have a cemetery in their front yard. Apparently they can’t get rid of it because there’s some law. Crazy.” 4 passes, 4 times with the same remark.

    Am I being sensitive or does that sound rather insensitive? My ancestors settled towns just miles from that one. Those people resting quietly in the land they tamed are likely my distant cousins many times removed. I sat there thinking – if a Gentile even mused about digging up and displacing Jewish graves to build anything, they’d be summarily socially destroyed.

    Thoughts?

  92. @Mark Green

    Also Israel Shamir, and the incomparable essays of Paul Eisen (both Jewish, although Shamir converted to Christianity.

  93. Sam Shama says:
    @Randal

    I was raised and educated in the U.K. and consider myself a bit of a monarchist. I am jewish. My question is, how does this character you were crossing words with, have anonymous commenters prosecuted?

    • Replies: @Randal
  94. dearieme says:
    @Astraea Shaw

    Thanks. I’ll start with the McCarthy video.

  95. Lot says:
    @Greg Bacon

    always providing cover for their fav nation whenever it goes on another homicidal rampage against defenseless Gaza and steals more land from the native Palestinians in the West Bank?

    The people who says this also can’t help themselves about bashing white Americans for Indians, slavery, and not letting in millions more Muslims.

  96. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Rich

    If that is true about Geithner, then he can be relegated to the rank of ‘Shabbos Goy,’ doing work for his Israeli buddies, like standing by and twiddling his thumbs when Bernie Madoff looted billions from investors.

  97. @Mark Green

    John Derbyshire, for all his fine rhetorical qualities, has a seething suspicion of a politically activized working class – writing essays against immigration is kosher, but heavens forbid you actually take it to the streets (what an “unsavory bunch”!). And dey culcha of upper class English pedophilia has to be defended at all costs, especially when it helps keep the Bear at bay and the Cossacks away.

    So this is all quite natural, really. The Eternal Anglo has always been a friend to the Eternal Jew.

  98. rod1963 says:
    @Wally

    Spot on, but I’d modify this way:

    “any thought or opinion held by a white Christian that a Jew doesn’t like”.

    The fact is Jewish animus is aimed solely at whites and especially those of the Christian persuasion. Look at what’s happening in France and Germany where the Muslims are openly attacking Jews, especially in France where they are being forced to flee the country.

    It doesn’t matter if a Jew is beaten, shot or stabbed, there is no outrage among them.

    What are they upset about here in the U.S. Is it open borders? No. Is it Muslim terrorism? No. Is it our cities deteriorating under a onslaught of 3rd worlders? No.

    Then what are they angry about? Trump and his policies regarding trade and immigration and his nationalism.

    These are anathema to the Jewish values. Not American values, Jewish values. There is a distinct difference between the two.

  99. Lot says:
    @dearieme

    Which “Jews of the Bible” is another question: to what extent were the Jews in Judea and Galilee at the time of Jesus effectively the same people as the Jews who feature in the myths of Moses, Solomon, and so on?

    Given that Jews do not evangelize, and are usually even hostile to people who say they want to convert, the odds are pretty high.

    Meantime, the current Palestinians are (wild guess) maybe 70% descended from the “Jews of the Bible” of Jesus’s time. If anyone has any facts, rather than a wild guess, I’d be interested to hear them.

    Much lower. Modern Israel suffered from multiple depopulating wars during the long era was contested between the remnants of Alexander’s army, during the rebellious years in the Roman Empire, again with the Islamic conquest and Crusades.

    Because it is a fertile coastal area with good weather, and was safe from the conflicts elsewhere in the Empire, a large portion of the Muslims in modern Israel were immigrants who came there in the 19th Century from other parts of the Ottoman Empire.

    Probably the people in the middle east besides actual Jews who are closest to the Jews of the latter parts of the Bible are the Druze and Lebanese and Syrian Christians.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @dearieme
  100. Svigor says:

    I have publicly—and again, I think, more than once—expressed gratitude in print for the positive contribution Jews have made to our civilization, way out of proportion to their numbers.

    To me that’s like being grateful to the guy who slipped a hundred bucks into your pocket as he smashed you over the head with a brick, putting you into a coma. True, but oblivious.

    Given your belabored caveats, you don’t seem oblivious to who has the power. Of course, the delicate approach is more evidence of Jews’ power and vengefulness.

    They don’t care much for your nuance. The ones that do have no power.

    I don’t blame you, of course. You’re a public intellectual.

    This is why I think public intellectuals are hopeless on these issues. Gateway drugs, at best.

    If you know who he is, he’s almost certainly not being honest about the JQ. C’est la vie.

    (Rubin) We Jews just believe in good and evil. We don’t think everyone is redeemable.

    Projection: they know they aren’t.

    I wouldn’t be terrifically surprised to learn that it was exactly that remark that lodged itself in Bret Stephens’ mind, causing him to pair off West with Trump at the dark end of the spectrum.

    Yeah, it’s pretty hard for a black to earn a negative comment from a Jew (in a broadcast medium). You either have to touch the Jewish rail, or be way out there, like Bill Cosby.

  101. Amasius says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “So this is all quite natural, really. The Eternal Anglo has always been a friend to the Eternal Jew.”

    Ouch.

    There used to be a movement that contended they were literally the same people: “British-Israelism.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

    We still have it around today (on the lunatic fringe) as “Christian Identity” which posits that Whites are the “real Jews” and the Jews calling themselves Jews are just pretending. It’s an Anglo-Protestant thing. Good old convergent evolution.

  102. Sam Shama says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Forgive the limits of my goyishe kopf but these are the shibboleths of the American culture despised by Jews.

    Your kopf, goyische or otherwise [reason for the distinction unclear] is good enough for me, even as you leapt to a conclusion – from the proclivities of one [this commentor] – regarding the apparent preferences of the lot. Have you proof that jews “despise” Nascar? [I don't especially like it]. Are you saying e.g., it is compulsory that I like the Kardashians – no doubt the doyennes for modern American culture – to establish my assimilation? No thank you; I shall stick to Harper Lee and Caroline in the Prairies.

    Right! Somebody has to own the teams! Wakka Wakka:

    Who else would tell us that Ahab is a repressed homosexual and the white wale a giant phallus? That’s appreciation if I ever heard it!

    Yes somebody does have to own them, don’t they? And the rest of us get to watch the games. Is there a law which prevents one from owning a team? Oh wait, I forget; jews are getting the stuff printed for them by the Fed!

    About Ahab’s homo inclinations and the white phallus, you are the chap who just reminded me of Henry Murray’s wrong-headed assertion re: Melville’s homosexual inclinations. Nonsense. Melville was a wordsmith, rhyming genius and poet, in the tradition of Shakespeare and Milton.

    You’re going to have to explain why and how one’s ethnicity and religion could be unilaterally expunged by an insufficient income.

    There was this socio-genetic study [featured in the NY Times about 5 years back] which inter alia, identified a major dynamic [both historical and global] where Jews who could not maintain the expenses of remaining Jewish [large synagogue dues, Hebrew school fees, etc] simply turned to Christianity or Islam. This has lead to a significantly self-selecting residual population which is somewhat stable in size, wealth, and education. That is about the long and short of it.

    I could start with the childhood experiences of being one of a handful of gentiles at a Jewish summer camp for several years seriatim. It doesn’t matter though since no amount of experience and no number of similar experiences to my own would be sufficient for you.

    Well I feel embarrassed such was your experience and can certainly believe it. Can you though, genuinely claim this experience to be out of norm, had you instead, for argument’s sake, attended a summer camp for Mormons? Or Japanese?

    From childhood Jews are imbued with ethnic and moral chauvinism and among themselves have no compunction about expressing it.

    There may be a grain of truth to this, yet I doubt it is any more disagreeable than ordinary group pride expressed by any given ethnicity [French? Chinese? .....]

    • Replies: @Art
  103. Sam Shama says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    [So this is all quite natural, really. The Eternal Anglo has always been a friend to the Eternal Jew.]

    Have you a problem with that? Abe Foxman wants to have a word with you…..

  104. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly

    I find your comments very interesting for I think it touches upon the larger issue in the background:The Cold War.

    It is my view that Cold War ideology of the WASP Elites destroyed the Nation that I was born and raised in. The WASP Elites passed the Cold War football off to the Jewish Neocons who have taken it all the way to the mass murder of Conservative Orthodox Christians in the Eastern Ukraine.

    Could the Native Born White American Working Class have lived in peace with The Soviet Union. My answer is they really should have….and could have.

    I would like to hear your views and SmoothiesX1 views on my comments.

    The Ideology of The Cold War was a cancer on the Native Born White American Working Class. The real existential threat to the Native Born White American Working Class was a Kenyan Foreign Exchange Muslim student who came into the US through a NATO anti-commie Cold War Program…how ironic.

    • Replies: @guest
  105. ART says:

    Congratulations to Mr. Derbyshire – it takes great courage for someone in the media to take on the Jews – any Jews for any reason.

    Derbyshire has broken a cardinal media rule – he has identified a political position with Jewishness.

    In the Jew controlled MSM people are never identified as Jews (i.e., ZZ’s – Zionist Zombies) when they espouse Zionist political positions.

    These two Jews in the video got their 1881 victimization mindset by the age of 10. Their culture has terrorized them. Jew innocent young are inculcated with fear and loathing for Gentiles. These two are clearly operating on thoughtless angry Zionist Zombie autopilot. Their immigration position for America is 100% different from their immigration position for Israel. They are intellectually dishonest – something they learned from their culture as children.

    p.s. I do not share his “subset” designation – I believe that 85% of all Jews are ZZ’ers (Zionist Zombies).

  106. Snippet says:
    @Mark Green

    I have no doubt Derb is perfectly capable of “writing boldly and honestly of Jews as wrongdoers.” should he chose to do so.
    In fact, he would, should he chose to do so, most likely do it better than anyone else.

  107. laura r says:
    @Jim Christian

    well said. when hillary gets in the fun will begin. btw, any jew who supports muslim migration is signing their own death warrent. othodox jews are voting trump. ((i)) can not begin to even understand the rest. the elites do what they do for $$. as for ordinary jews? don’t ask ((me)), i never got along w/most of them. after they did whiteflight, they should have learned their lesson.

  108. Svigor says:

    Why are you talking about Cossacks and 1881 when it would be more to the point to mention Nazis and 1933-1945. That’s where their minds are trapped. Same way for neocons it’s always 1938 or ’39 and we’re Great Britain.

    But I suppose it’s a good thing that not every single page on the internet is about Nazis.

    The mindset’s as old as Jewry. The Cossacks thing is just the earliest, prominent example in the mainstream (largely Judeo-formed) historical narrative. Then it was supplanted by Hitler and the Nazis. If someone went back in time and killed all the Nazi leaders before they became leaders, and WWII never happened, then the Jews would be back to using Cossacks as their apotheosis.

    Deep down, they are first and foremost true believers, worshiping at the altar of Egalitarianism.

    Nonsense. Israel makes it obvious nonsense.

    I wonder whether it’s connected to the phenomenon of people never really getting over a defeat – rejection in love, the American South forever mumbling old bones, Mexicans still smarting from the loss of their territory to America. Perhaps the difference in degree is due to Jews’ higher smarts and thus potency in this world, perhaps due to a higher-than-average sense of /their people/. Christ, I’ve heard NPR’s Ira Glass talk about ‘his people’.

    Wonder away. The rest of us know nobody nurses a grievance like Jews (and their cousins, other SW Asian populations). They don’t call it the lachrymose history of the Jews for nothing.

    I find it funny that the “it’s merit!” crowd refuse – absolutely refuse, as a general rule – to consider the possibility that Jewish racism (ethnocentrism, if you’re being timid) is one of the keys to their success.

    As for “ultra-assimilated,” we’ll know Jews are assimilated when they do to Israel what Anglos (and Jews) did to South Africa. That’s a loooong way off, IMO. Actually, this ship has already sailed, since Jews have dithered (I’m being generous) for too long already.

    Can we call them Elders of Zion, please?

    there are Elders of Zion….. in Zion

    And we’d love to have good commercial relations with a White Nationalist country

    Can someone please establish one?

    Oh, you’re Jewish. That explains a lot. I suppose the “Karl” bit threw me. Blind spot, I guess.

    It’s just a subset, a minority, of blacks who commit murder and mayhem, and a subset, a minority, of moslems who do taharrush and terror attacks. What sort of argument/defense is this?

    Kevin MacDonald > John Derbyshire.

    It might as well be a law of physics: “right-wing” philo-semites will always deploy left-wing arguments in defense of Jews, willy-nilly; the same arguments they spend their time defeating in any other context. I believe the kids call this “selling out.”

    As a Christian, I’m convinceed that all paranoid and hostile Jews can be redeemed, can be indeed delivered from their paranoia and hostility. (That’s the good message to the Jews.) In this respect, I’m perhaps no anti-semite – in all other respects I will accept the label humbly and without protest.

    I think you’re describing apostasy. Not in the nominal sense, but in a real sense. To give this stuff up is to stop being a Jew, IMO. Or maybe “assimilation” would be a better term.

    Randal says:

    September 24, 2016 at 11:08 am GMT • 400 Words

    All great reasons why noticing and thinking need to go.

    The lousy creep who played Borat got his rear beaten by a gentile vibrant in New York City because he played one of his routines on him

    Jews can dig it; they just prefer rhetorical beatings, firings, whispering campaigns, shunnings, etc.

    Jews having been given such a free rein in the West it is punishable as a crime to state what I have just written in some jurisdictions – is this state of affairs truly a defensive measure? Is it not clear that this is aggression disguised as defense, vast power disguised as weakness?

    Good comment, but I would point out that Jewish power is both; it is vast, and fragile. It is the subverted power of others. It is soft power that depends entirely on the assent of other peoples. When Jews’ good name is lost, so is their power. They know this perfectly.

    Dumb. Your own link largely opposes your claim (see the section on Y chromosomes), and the scientific consensus on genetic and historical evidence is entirely against you. Contemporary Jews are genetically continuous with the Jews of the Bible, and also have admixture from other regions (mostly Italy in the case of Ashkenazi Jews). This is settled science, and you are either ignorant of it or (more likely) intentionally lying.

    Indeed. Jews’ behavior, if nothing else, is a completely obvious indication of their SW Asian ancestry.

    But lets for argument sakes say it is just the elite jews, the problem is still where did these elite jews come from ?

    Indeed. Every big Jew was once a small Jew. They don’t spring from the eye of Zeus, fully-formed.

    I’ll quote John Hartung for the umpteenth time:

    In-groups sandwich an outline for animosity, an organizing principle for prejudice, between layers of social support. Whether Christian or Muslim or Jewish, every extremist is supported by a small number of less extreme admirers and each of those supporters is buoyed, in turn, by a larger group of sympathizers. These connections are continuous right down to the bottom of the pyramid, where vaguely sympathetic in-group members are offended by the very extremists who would have no base, and no basis, without them. It is that vague sympathy which needs to be examined.

    There’s been enough Jewish examining of everyone else to last an eon. Time for everyone else to examine the Jews.

    Do you guys sincerely believe in all this Jewish conspiracy stuff ? In a Manichaean manner, Jews playing the role of Ahriman ? I mean- really, really believe ?

    I have the Eiffel tower to sell you …

    If you’re asking me, then the answer is “no.”

    The story had all the authenticity of a fairy tale and yet here was a senior State Department official reciting ( probably for the 100th time) it as if it was the truth.

    The amount of bullshit in the “tales of the holocaust” is astounding. I have many of the articles in which they are imparted saved on my hard drive. For those unfamiliar, these are the narratives from survivors who go around lecturing the goyim at high schools and the like. These form a very important part of “holocaust history.” If this stuff wasn’t Jewish, it would be classified as superstitious nonsense. Instead, it’s “history.”

    In the US, Jews are not dominant in banking- overrepresented yes, but not dominant; nor are they much present in other “moneyed” fields like oil & gas or military-industrial complex. Most big US banks don’t have a strong Jewish influence; to speak of Jews among Seven sisters or Lockheed Martin is outright silly.

    Jewish argumentation is for shit. I learned that a long time ago. Hence, the speech codes; they’re much better at networking and oppression than at arguing.

    E.g., the military-industrial complex exists at the whim of gov’t, hence the Neocons. No need to bother with an otherwise boring industry like defense, where people *gag* build things. They have zero cultural power to shape opinion, anyway.

    Neither does oil and gas. Sooo boring, when you can’t exert any mind-control. Better by far to control the culture, and marginalize oil and gas as “the bad guys.”

    Also, media in most European countries (Germany, UK, France, Italy, Denmark, Spain,..) & Russia is in the hands of national, non-Jewish elites. And they- Russia apart- all spout the same liberal nonsense.

    1. All of those countries, “Russia apart,” bend knee to the US. What an odd coincidence!
    2. The demographic situation is much worse in America (lots of Jewish power) than it is in those other countries (much less Jewish power). I don’t know why Jews keep bringing the Europe thing up; I keep knocking this floater out of the park, and Jews just keep pitching it.

    Jews or no Jews, this is a phase of European & Europe-derived civilization with its own dynamics, causes & effects. Jewry’s influence is not negligible, but also- far from crucial. The weakness lies elsewhere.

    Since you offered a couple of links, I’ll offer a couple of my own:

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/1509/

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/1509/

    So much for “far from crucial.” I think “decisive” is the word you’re looking for. I.e., without Jews involved, we win this conflict; with Jews involved, we lose.

    And that’s just the legislators, where Jews lag far behind their presence in other areas (like, say, buying legislators); they’re much more influential in the media, finance, academia etc.

    Forgot to mention: Aid to Israel is driven hugely by the armaments business. Its aided by AIPAC’s advocacy as well. I cannot place objective weights on each, but let’s just assume 50/50 [ I think its more like 80/20 biased in the direction of the arms interests]. Take away “aid” to Israel and some other way of recycling that money will be found. Count on it.

    Blaming the arms industry is just the typical Jewish pattern of blaming their business partners. Junior business partners, at that (media has way more clout than the defense industry). And it is definitely one of those made-in-Hell business partnerships, make no mistake: Jewish media, academics, politicians, etc., give cultural cover to defense industry, defense industry does Zionist bidding.

    Am I being sensitive or does that sound rather insensitive?

    In my experience, Jews are remarkably insensitive to every sensibility but their own (which, admittedly, has come to partially encompass those of their shock troops, like blacks, mestizos, and other non-whites).

    • Agree: No_0ne
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Druid
  109. Svigor says:

    Jewish argumentation is for shit. I learned that a long time ago. Hence, the speech codes; they’re much better at networking and oppression than at arguing.

    Not really true: more like, they consistently choose indefensible positions. Which is why they have to resort to the lecture + oppress dissent method.

    As for “ultra-assimilated,” we’ll know Jews are assimilated when they do to Israel what Anglos (and Jews) did to South Africa. That’s a loooong way off, IMO. Actually, this ship has already sailed, since Jews have dithered (I’m being generous) for too long already.

    I left out one crucial part: and Anglos feel comfortable being the reciprocal of the (and Jews) mentioned above. That’s also a loooong way off.

  110. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I guess I’m lazy too, because I did not bother to read your post, nor am I going to. You seemed to be talking about the illuminati or some such bullshit. As I said, yours is a strawman characterization. We – some of us at least – are not talking about secret cabals. We’re talking about ethnic self-interest pursued by certain people in tacit agreement with one another and, occasionally, in concert. That is not make-believe; it is an observable fact, and is, in fact, true.

    You believe whatever you like. I don’t care what you believe. Your opinions are obviously of little worth.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  111. 5371 says:
    @Lot

    [to what extent were the Jews in Judea and Galilee at the time of Jesus effectively the same people as the Jews who feature in the myths of Moses, Solomon, and so on?

    Given that Jews do not evangelize, and are usually even hostile to people who say they want to convert, the odds are pretty high.]

    You seem to have missed the word “myths”, which is pretty important in the context.

    [Because it is a fertile coastal area with good weather, and was safe from the conflicts elsewhere in the Empire, a large portion of the Muslims in modern Israel were immigrants who came there in the 19th Century from other parts of the Ottoman Empire.]

    I believe this is known as “projection”. The zionists know what they themselves were up to, so hasten to accuse the other side of the same thing. Sit pro ratione voluntas.

  112. Sean says:

    http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Bret-Stephens-The-next-US-president-may-not-be-pro-Israel-444512

    “Bernie Sanders worries me. Hillary Clinton worries me. Donald Trump worries me, and frankly Ted Cruz kind of worries me too,” says Stephens.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/94872/peter-beinarts-false-prophecy A whopping 82 percent of American Jews feel that U.S. support for Israel is either “just about right” or “not supportive enough”—and that’s just among those Jews who describe themselves as “liberal” or “very liberal.” Among those calling themselves “middle of the road,” the figure rises to 94 percent. Regarding the settlements, just 26 percent of even liberal Jews think Israel should dismantle all of them; among moderates, the figure drops to 10 percent. Generationally speaking, there even seems to be a rightward tilt among younger Jews. Consider Jerusalem: 58 percent of those between the ages of 18 and 29 oppose re-dividing it. Just 51 percent of their parents and grandparents feel the same way.

    “Political differences on the liberal-to-conservative continuum were unrelated to measures of attachment to Israel,” Sasson and his colleagues noted dryly, adding that these attitudes have pretty much held steady over 24 years of polling. Liberal as American Jews might be when it comes to domestic U.S. politics, on Israel their views tend to be fairly conservative.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/09/liberal-segregation-majority/

    The Daniel S. Abraham Center for Peace, a prominent liberal Zionist Israel lobbying group, purchased a full-page newspaper advertisement in Friday’s edition of the New York Times, calling for the immediate separation of Israelis and Palestinians into separate countries to keep Israel as a Jewish majority state.

    “Separation between Israelis and Palestinians is Essential. No separation today means a Palestinian majority by 2020,” warned the public service announcement.

    Israel’s population is about 20 percent Palestinian, so what the ad rejects is Israel having to be responsible for millions of more Palestinians who are now living in-not-their own state. At the same time, the head of the organization, Clinton ally former Florida Congressman Robert Wexler, denies that there is something called an occupation in the West Bank. There is the not-so-subtle Trumpian suggestions that the Palestinian citizens of Israel will be living elsewhere if the two-state solution happens. Maybe they’ll go willingly to live in a country now foreign to them. Maybe not. Remains to be seen. But this suggests large, (maybe coerced who knows?) transfers of people are the only way to ensure peace and order between Jews and Arabs, as the ad refers to them.

    Basically, Stevens want to be seen as the defender of Israel against US isolationism, but what Israel needs is to remain Jewish is to be left alone, not the US establishment’s version of pro Israel. The US’s minding its own business will lead to a fluid situation through a radical Shia overthrow of the Hashemite family dictatorship across the river. Only a Trump presidency will let Israel leave the path to a non-Jewish state that is the price of establishment US support.

  113. guest says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s not a conspiracy. Problem solved for you.

  114. guest says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Progressivism destroyed the nation. It was finished off in the regime of Roosevelt the Great.

  115. @Mr. Anon

    We – some of us at least – are not talking about secret cabals. We’re talking about ethnic self-interest pursued by certain people in tacit agreement with one another and, occasionally, in concert. That is not make-believe; it is an observable fact, and is, in fact, true.

    Sure. But it doesn’t have a cause-effect relation you imagine it to possess. Ethnic networking exists; Jewish ethnocentrism is real; Jews in the US are powerful: but, this is not the dominant, let alone crucial element in the policies of 3rd world immigration swamping, PC muzzle, growing plutocracy & elitism, anti-Euro-American rhetoric in the academia etc.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @Mr. Anon
  116. dearieme says:
    @Lot

    “Given that Jews do not evangelise. ..”: as a matter of history, that is plain wrong. Presumably you mean that Jews do not currently evangelise. They certainly used to.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
  117. @Svigor

    Jewish argumentation is for shit. I learned that a long time ago. Hence, the speech codes; they’re much better at networking and oppression than at arguing.

    E.g., the military-industrial complex exists at the whim of gov’t, hence the Neocons. No need to bother with an otherwise boring industry like defense, where people *gag* build things. They have zero cultural power to shape opinion, anyway.

    Neither does oil and gas. Sooo boring, when you can’t exert any mind-control. Better by far to control the culture, and marginalize oil and gas as “the bad guys.”

    Are you serious ? Do you really believe that media are powerful & decisive in shaping the world (and US foreign policy), while oil & military are of secondary importance ?

    Do you recall- or have you read- about Nixon years & oil crisis ? About Saudis & 9/11 ?

    Which planet do you live on ?

    1. All of those countries, “Russia apart,” bend knee to the US. What an odd coincidence!
    2. The demographic situation is much worse in America (lots of Jewish power) than it is in those other countries (much less Jewish power). I don’t know why Jews keep bringing the Europe thing up; I keep knocking this floater out of the park, and Jews just keep pitching it.

    Do you seriously belive that UK & Germany & Italy are US puppets ?

    I have the Kremlin wall to sell ….

    Since you offered a couple of links, I’ll offer a couple of my own:

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/1509/

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/1509/

    So much for “far from crucial.” I think “decisive” is the word you’re looking for. I.e., without Jews involved, we win this conflict; with Jews involved, we lose.

    I’ve seen these linx and … ? Jews are leftist liberals, most of them, we all know this.

    Jewish influence re crucial matters we’re talking about (immigration inundation, vilification of Euro-Christian civilization, adulation of 3rd worlders & Islam, attack on national identity & integrity, ..), in most West European countries is marginal. It does exist, but it is the “native” lunatic ideology & behavior that lead Western European, as well as North American countries into suicidal abyss.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @No_0ne
  118. Svigor says:

    I do not see anything uniquely or especially Jewish about either the far-left anti-white people or elitist anti-Trump Republicans, or all that much similar to each other.

    There is certainly a Jewish flavor of white ethnomasochism, and it is as greatly distasteful as the English, Swedish or Popish varieties.

    Jewish never-Trumpers are not ethno-masochists; they’re more in line with Jewish supremacy. White never-Trumpers are the ethno-masochists.

    The Jewish flavor of ethno-masochism is rare; the White flavor of ethno-masochism (from which Jewish ethno-masochism is notably absent) is mainstream and firmly in charge.

    Just a coincidence that Streissand and Springstein are today’s prominent never-Trumpers on Drudge:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbra-streisand/facts-matter_b_12134720.html

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/springsteen-calls-trump-great-embarrassment-us-222937691.html

    P.S., “ethno-masochism” misses the mark. It’s just treachery.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  119. J1234 says:

    I was in Europe earlier this summer, and though I only have a bachelor’s degree, my wife has a doctorate…and none of that has anything to do with elite status in this context, as Stephens suggested in his argument. A different kind of elitism is at issue. We’ve called our elected officials “public servants” for so long, that we forget that they are our rulers, not our servants. Their elite status as power brokers is something that a trip to Europe, a graduate degree and bottle of $20 wine can’t buy. And that’s the kind of elitism we’re talking about here. But conflation reigns supreme in these types of arguments.

    I do take the view that politicians aren’t to blame for much of what’s broken in American – broken marriages, broken families, broken values – but pandering to such brokenness is something that the political elite do all the time. Hillary does this with her courting of the “black lives matter” hysteria, trying to rally a great wave of non-thinking emotion to her cause. Politicians always pander to emotion – “Holding a musket over their heads during election years, then prioritizing what lobbyists want during all other years,” as the first debater said.

  120. Svigor says:

    “Given that Jews do not evangelise. ..”: as a matter of history, that is plain wrong. Presumably you mean that Jews do not currently evangelise. They certainly used to.

    Nowadays, Jewish evangelism is more in the Noahide vein: goyim are recruited into an inferior, subservient caste.

  121. iffen says:
    @Mark Green

    Derb’s terrified of being labeled an ‘anti-Semite’.

    Well, he is not afraid of being labeled a racist.

    Maybe that means he’s a racist, but he is not an anti-Semite.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  122. Ergodic says:

    “I’d not an anti-Semite; I never have been; and I don’t have much time for anti-Semites.”

    How feeble. Then why say anything on the topic at all? No wonder his generation failed so miserably to conserve anything.

  123. @Mark Green

    I guess the first thing is that anyone posting in a string vice sticking your name at the top of an article needs to be guarded in making charges of cowardice. That said, I’ve never been a big Derb fan. To me, his focus rarely seems to be on what’s most important. And it’s true that like many “race realists” he is pretty UNrealistic about Jews. Moreover, the “I’ve never had much use for anti-semites” equivocations are rather irritating. It’s funny that he’s made rather unqualified criticisms of blacks–and paid a huge professional price, but is instinctively cautious when it comes to Jews. Just goes to show where the power is.

    In fact, this approach reminds me of the horrible situation at American Renaissance. There, people say whatever they want pretty much about blacks short of outright expletives. But criticism of Jews is badly received (as in comments deleted.) And any pieces that focus on Jews are explicitly positive–quite the opposite of most of what they post. Moreover, a very heavy and tolerated Hasbara presence trying to subvert the readership much of which is good but, I have to say, rather simple.

  124. @Svigor

    Just a coincidence that Streissand and Springstein are today’s prominent never-Trumpers on Drudge:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbra-streisand/facts-matter_b_12134720.html

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/springsteen-calls-trump-great-embarrassment-us-222937691.html

    Streisand is a Jewess, while Springsteen is of Dutch Catholic origin – nothing to do with Jews.

    I have Taj Mahal to sell ….

  125. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @guest

    Well..Progressivism traces back to the very unpleasant looking Elenaor’s uncle Teddy.

    The WASP-DUTCH Elites were waging a scorched-earth anti-commie crusade decades before the Russian Revolution. The anti-Commie Crusade goes back at least as far back as Wat Tyler and Army of Peasants.

    Which brings me to my next point:The Alt Right….Hannibal Bateman in particular…are nostalgic for the days of Feudal Hierarchy. I submit that Progressivism….Proto-anti-commie Cold War Stage in the US….was an assault on an economically progressive-anti-war-racially xenophobic Native Born White American America First Labor Movement. At times a think the Alt Right is a variation on a theme of Coal Mining C0mpany Crush The Unions…variation 2016.

    As things stand now…The Alt Right is irrelevant to Native Born White American Working Class….When the Alt Right grows up out of its fashy haircut stage and conjures up the spirit of Bill Blizzard and his Men…only then will the Alt Right will cause the White Liberal Greedy Cheating MEGA-CEO CLASS…The most vile scum in the whole of the Universe!!!!!….to have terrifying nightmares about such wonderfull marvels of European technology such as the guillotine.

  126. So you’re saying you have a so-called “Jewish problem” (or “Jewish question”) in the USA? Well, you White folks are already less than 50% of the population so I’d say you’re pretty dumb as It was about freaking time… The Jew outsmarted you, and it’s all a matter of genetic superiority, nothing else. Being “scientifically intelligent” is not the same as the sly cleverness of the superior Jewish soul. It’s was an enourmous success of the Jewish intelligentsia this country of yours. You agreed to not participate in the future of the World and most of you are happy about it, just think! Your national neuroses that cause you to be repulsed by Reality are your main extremely weak point, White folks of the U.S.A. You just don’t want to face reality. Your minds are abducted by the dopamine-rush culture, similarly to how a monkey’s mind may be strongly interested by a colorful Rubic’s cube, although it doesn’t understand it’s main purpose. That’s also how you watch your Hollywood movies, folks. You watch the pretty pictures but largerly miss the main purpose. Most of you and your European brothers believe in the Abrahamic mythology, which, although entirely fictitious, produced some benefits in the past and you decided to keep it. The Reality is that now it no longer produces benefits, only suffering and disillusionment. The Jew is good when he wants to destroy Christianity, but he wants to replace it with Islam and “sarcastic” materialism, which are also unreal. They’re unreal since the Jewish religion itself, like all Abrahamic religions, is a form of delusion. Freedom for the World will be reached when Abrahamic religions are entirely annihilated. Until then, the Jewish egregore will work to destroy Edom and only suffering for all sides will stem from this.

  127. @FKA Max

    It is in memory of Joey Sobran, Holocaust denier and Shakespeare conspiracy theorist, that we raise a glass to kidney failure. Diabetes did a nice number on the silly hack.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  128. @Mark Green

    [If you're too lazy to bother with proper capitalization, punctuation, spacing, or spelling on your rambling comments, don't be surprised if they're just trashed. You'll have only yourself to blame: http://www.unz.com/announcement/over-one-million-comments-but-some-badly-behaving-commenters/ ]

    mark Im not so sure hes too nice i think he is like myself torn between a genuine like of many jews and what he notices from knowing jews. Im a native new yorker from a artsy intellectual upper middle class home I grew up around a lot of jews though we were catholic. Being intelligent and from that background and it being new york city i also became friendly with a lot of jew probably most of my friends. But my politics went from far left to kind of reactionary at an early age partly because nyc makes one a race realist partly im an alpha male with no patience for feminism or other faggotry so despite having all liberal friends i was always the token conservative [there wasnt the animosity there is today]one couldnt help but notice certain patterns among the really far lefties in nyc, once on my 21st birthday i was in an argument with someone much older who used the NYtimes as an appeal to authority without thinking a derisive ‘ the jew york times ‘ came out of my mouth it was 79 i may have actually coined it the room got silent for a second i was drunk and coked up and a really hot 21 years old everyone although 80% jewish quickly decided to give me a pass [luck for them lol]
    My point is even a 21 year old born and raised around jews who loved jews knew what the score was knew they were almost some variation of liberal more often than not some type of far left activist of the way we were variety. and yeah like derb i decided early on to cut them some slack although i knew it was activism against my own people i figured they thought putting together a coalition of minorities aginst the majority would give them a margin of safety. i figured i could afford it i probably assumed they would cut it out eventually.
    so even now a full on alt right neoreactionary anti cuckservative i am still loath to fuylly condemn them still hopefull they will wake up and see what they are doing. I tell the alt right better to flip them than have to fight them as well.But sadly i realize yeah sure the true beleivers might be a subset but they are their best and brightest and the others take their cues from them perhaps not understanding the game as well. i dont know what to say except wake the fuck up jews your multiculturalist marxism is not only hoisting you by your own petard the saxon is beginning to wake he knows hes been fucked and hes going to do something about it, theres no way to handle it but ethnically because leftists have framed it, jews have a tiny window to repent and declare themselves white, declare that whites too have a right to homelands where their governments govern in their interests where their culture and peoples are respected and nurtured that western countries are not the welfare office of the world that multiculturalism is an unmitigated disaster that must be reversed not stopped not slowed reversed, you can legitimately claim to be part of western civilization to be white to be Judeo Christian to be major contributors to our cultur, to be 60% genetically Italian and interbreeding at an astonishing rate.

    Or you can continue the play and even people like myself will turn on you sadly admit you can not be trusted you will never assimilate you will always put your own culture and people interests before that of your adopted homes that allowing you to have the wealth and power you have earned without being one of us is equally f not more dangerous than having savage non whites move here by the millions.

  129. Svigor says:

    Streisand is a Jewess, while Springsteen is of Dutch Catholic origin – nothing to do with Jews.

    I have Taj Mahal to sell

    K so only 50% Jewish today, not 100%. My buss.

    SomeDude: nah. Jewish power’s way too soft to be gloated over so.

    • Replies: @SomeDudeOverThere
  130. @Bardon Kaldian

    Dominant, crucial, who knows? I think the issue is that recognition precedes measurement. Recognition of this phenomenon is currently considered the exclusive reserve of anti-semetic cranks and other evil ones. This precludes a scientific approach to measuring the effects of ethnic self-interest on changes in American demographics, body politic, etc. So you shouldn’t be surprised that some estimates of these parameters are wildly exaggerated.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  131. artichoke says:
    @gbloco

    They said nothing that can get them in trouble. The idea that Jews are oriented to “right and wrong” is not new at all, and of course people will disagree and say “no that’s wrong not right”, just normal free speech.

    I found Derbyshire a lot more direct than the I2 debaters anyway, who were very elliptical as if they’ve traversed this ground a million times and know how to avoid saying everything that needs not-saying.

  132. @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Joe Sobran was a great journalist, not a “silly hack”. He was wrong about Oxford authorship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Evidence_for_Shakespeare.27s_authorship_from_his_works ); also, he was not a “holocaust denier”, just a more critical thinker.

    May he rest in peace.

    • Agree: No_0ne
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  133. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Maybe that means he’s a racist, but he is not an anti-Semite.

    It is not strange, as the very emphasis on “anti-Semitism” is disgustingly racist, as if it were worse than racism against anyone else. People who decry “anti-Semitism”, instead of “racism” or “ethnic-prejudice”, are actually saying that there is something really special – and particularly bad – about discrimination against this one particular group. In other words, they are racists. – Israel Shamir

    • Replies: @iffen
  134. @Neil Templeton

    Some areas are prone to measurement: take, for example, the biggest US banks & Jewish presence; biggest US media empires; oil & gas, military-industrial complexes etc. Analyze socio-political profile of most influential US public intellectuals & think-tanks; ..

    http://www.businessinsider.com/top-25-us-defense-companies-2012-2 (older stuff)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks_in_the_United_States

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/03/30/the-worlds-largest-public-oil-and-gas-companies/#23a3ad316cf1

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/08/28/the-illusion-of-choice-90-of-american-media-controlled-by-6-corporations/

    ………..

    Then, follow the money-the main currents shaping US economy & foreign policy. Economics, political science, sociology, demographics … via mathematical methods that could give something tangible to work with,

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  135. @Bardon Kaldian

    What a load of nonsense. His children hated him so much they dumped Sobran in a nursing home and waited for Joey’s health to follow Joey’s mind and morals into the abyss.

  136. @Anatoly Karlin

    “The Eternal Anglo has always been a friend to the Eternal Jew.”

    My dear Mr. Karlin, there is not just that one side; there are two sides of the Anglo regard toward Jews, exemplified by the expression, within living memory common among the English, “un-British,” which meant “Jewish.” Like another insular culture’s linguistic distinction of outsiders, “un-British” has its counterpart in the Japanese gaijin.

    There is in my experience actually a great deal more evidence of British, especially English, fond romanticizing of Arabs and even of all of Islam, than there is of English fondness for Jews and Judaism.

    William Blake’s “Jerusalem” posits the English not as the historical Jewish center of Judeo-Christian culture, but as blessed with the New Testament (New Covenant) opportunity of building “Jerusalem” as the new, English center of Western Civilization “in England’s green and pleasant land.” It is and it remains a distinctly Anglican-Protestant thesis.

  137. @eggheadshadhisnumber

    You truly are a hateful hasbarat. What goes around comes around; looking forward to reading the spitting on your grave, creep.
    Joseph Sobran, patriot, non-dual-loyalist American, RIP.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  138. @Bardon Kaldian

    This would be a good start. Judging from the context of arguments against the restriction of immigration, which appear from my interpretation of current MSM to be highly “moral” (appeals to emotion and authority, ad hominem) in nature, I think that the occupation of moral authority is perhaps the most important factor. An authority that is intolerant, and ruthless in pursuit and destruction of dissent. Thanks, Neil.

  139. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I expected more from you. Maybe you should take a couple more months off.

    Are you seriously joining the mushbrains who whine that there are other Semitic peoples so anti-Semite doesn’t mean anything?

    We don’t know what racism means because Jew haters want to re-define anti-Semitism as a special form of racism and that means that neither exists.

    Anti-Semitism exists and can be recognized. The experts on what it means are the anti-Semites.

    Racism exists and needs to recognize itself and limit the damage that it does.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @artichoke
  140. Max Payne says:

    Kanye West is a Gentile; I checked. In fact, a couple of years ago he got himself in a spot of bother by telling a New York radio station that “Black people don’t have the same level of connections as Jewish people.”

    He’s not wrong.

    What? You think a state like Israel would even exist if it wasn’t for the deep connections the Jewish diaspora has in the West?

    I favor my own kids over your kids, by a mile and a half; but I don’t hate your kids, so long as they don’t come into my house uninvited.

    Heh…. the Palestinian story. Who invited these Europeans anyway?

  141. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Anti-Semitism exists and can be recognized. The experts on what it means are the anti-Semites.

    I expected more from you too, iffen. You completely missed the point. I don’t deny the existence of racists. They are definitely out there. But why do we have to have a separate special category for racism against Jews? Don’t you find that a little redundant. If someone hates someone simply for who he is and not for what he does, he is a racist, period. No need to specify the race towards which his hatred is directed.

    On this basis, people need to change the discourse. We have to be careful of the language we use. I reject the use of the terms “antisemite” and “antisemitism.” Do you?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @iffen
  142. Svigor says:

    Are you serious ? Do you really believe that media are powerful & decisive in shaping the world (and US foreign policy), while oil & military are of secondary importance ?

    Do you recall- or have you read- about Nixon years & oil crisis ? About Saudis & 9/11 ?

    Which planet do you live on ?

    Earth, you should try it some time, it’s a nice planet.

    Of course the media and academia do more to shape the world than the oil and armaments industry. What are you, high? Do you recall every other moment of history that wasn’t a brief highlight of the importance of oil or the military?

    I’ve seen these linx and … ? Jews are leftist liberals, most of them, we all know this.

    Jewish influence re crucial matters we’re talking about (immigration inundation, vilification of Euro-Christian civilization, adulation of 3rd worlders & Islam, attack on national identity & integrity, ..), in most West European countries is marginal. It does exist, but it is the “native” lunatic ideology & behavior that lead Western European, as well as North American countries into suicidal abyss.

    Right. Jews are brilliant and influential, until they aren’t. Then they’re suddenly powerless and incompetent.

    The Narrative is a Jewish Narrative. Anyone who follows the paper trail knows that.

    P.S., “immigration inundation” was the very subject of the links. There was no “most of them” there. It was all of them. Ordinary people round 95 to 99 percent to “all,” in this context.

  143. Svigor says:

    Should have said “modern” or “recent” history, obviously.

  144. Svigor says:

    What a load of nonsense. His children hated him so much they dumped Sobran in a nursing home and waited for Joey’s health to follow Joey’s mind and morals into the abyss.

    Well, that’s certainly relevant. Thanks for the illumination.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  145. @geokat62

    What if who he is is highly predicated by what he is? Is racism rational? If so, why is “racist” pejorative?

  146. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Dominant? Crucial? Who knows. Significant – quite significant – very likely, it seems to me.

  147. Mr. Anon says:

    Intelligence Squared, huh? That’s what they actually call this forum? These talking-head panel-people really have a high opinion of themselves, don’t they.

  148. Don’t worry about being labeled an anti-semite, Mr. Derbyshire, 95% of the Jews on earth don’t have a drop of Semitic blood in their bodies.

    That small minority of Jews you keep talking about is actually quite a large group…possibly numbering in the 1.5-2 million range. Who knows how big the Sayanim network is?

    As for their paranoia, it is well deserved, in my opinion…when you’re constantly trying to screw people over you’re eventually going to get what you got coming! The Jews have been expelled 119 times, from 109 countries, over the past 2,000 years…you would think that they would alter their behavior to keep that from happening again. But that’s not what we see today. What we see, especially the Ashkenazis, is the same old bad behaviors that have gotten them into trouble so many times in the past. Actually, their behaviors are a 1,000x worse than anything we’ve seen from them in the distant past. God only knows the full extent of their crimes, big and small, but we do know about some of their biggest criminal outrages…

    Communism led to the slaughter of some 60,000,000 people in Russia.

    The holocaust hoax. This is where they draw all their power to obsfucate the extent of their massive crimes. It also fueled the bloodlust that led to the systematic rape and murder of millions of inocent Germans after WWII. Still, to this day, the Germans are being looted by the Jews.

    9/11 was done by the Mossad, and other Zionist elements in the US government. The FBI helped to cover it up, along with the Sayanim in the MSM. Millions have died as a direct result of the wars spawned by 9/11…10′s of millions more were wounded and/or displaced.

    The flooding of Europe with millions of “refugees” (mostly young healthy males) in a deliberate effort to make europe less “monolithic” (less Christian) and more diverse. They have openly admitted to being behind this effort.

    When you do bad things people are going to dislike you…alot!

    • Replies: @Druid
  149. Art says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Jewish influence re crucial matters we’re talking about (immigration inundation, vilification of Euro-Christian civilization, adulation of 3rd worlders & Islam, attack on national identity & integrity, ..), in most West European countries is marginal. It does exist, but it is the “native” lunatic ideology & behavior that lead Western European, as well as North American countries into suicidal abyss.

    What a mumbo-jumbo of words – no matter how confused the words, people who say that groups don’t try to gain control of governments are stone cold liars.

    Those who say that Jews do not control America are more the liars they are evil.

    Of course the problem with Jew control of America is that they work for another country.

    Me thinks that this guy is a ZZ (Zionist Zombie).

    Art

    p.s. Ya ya – nativism bad in Euro-peoples – good in Israel.

  150. biz says:
    @5371

    You again? No less than Greg Cochrane himself said you were bullshitting in the other thread. You cling to something that has definitvely been proven false by Y-chromosomal evidence for some unknown reason. There must be something really pathetic in your life that you are so invested in believing something that has been demonstrated to be false. Oh well, I suppose I should follow Sam Harris’ advice and feel sorry for you – after all you didn’t choose your brain or whatever chemical imbalance and/or previous states that led to this.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @5371
  151. biz says:
    @dearieme

    Current “Palestinians” aka the run-of-the-mill Arabs who adopted the name Palestinians in the 1970s, are a result of a heavy influx of people from the Arabian peninsula, mixed with probably a vestigial line that was present when the Arabs invaded. When they think Westerners aren’t listening Palestinians actually wax poetic about their ancestors who invaded. Palestinian Prime Minister Saeb Erakat was bragging about his family’s origins in Saudi Arabia – there is a region or town they are named after – a while back.

  152. ogunsiron says:
    @dearieme

    I believe that at around the time of Christ, active jewish proselytism was a thing. There’s also the mass judaization of the idumeans.

  153. Karl says:
    @KenH

    > By way of deception thou shalt do war. This is the motto of the Mossad

    and that of the British Special Boat Squadrons is: “not by strength, but by guile”

    Perhaps great minds run in the same direction

  154. @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Joey Sobran was no patriot. Scum of the earth, maybe. He learned well what happens when you mouth off to the wrong people, he learned so well his liver went bye-bye and Joey went die-die.

  155. Per Kevin MacDonald:

    “In writing The Culture of Critique I was continually struck by the expressions of hostility against the West by very prominent Jewish intellectual figures. Sigmund Freud’s Hannibal fantasy of being a military leader attempting to destroy Rome to avenge anti-Jewish slurs against his father is perhaps the best known, but it barely scratches the surface. Wolseley seems to agree with me that this deep wellspring of hostility may have been an important motivation of Stalin’s willing executioners in the USSR.

    “But we should not forget that such hostility was quite characteristic among Jewish radicals in America and that radicalism was a very mainstream movement among American Jews. Consider for example, this quotation in the chapter on Jewish involvement in the left from sociologist Seymour Martin Lipset: many of these ‘red diaper babies’ came from ‘families which around the breakfast table, day after day, in Scarsdale, Newton, Great Neck, and Beverly Hills have discussed what an awful, corrupt, immoral, undemocratic, racist society the United States is’ (Cultural Insurrections, pp. 219–20).

    “Consider also Princeton University sociologist Michael Walzer’s description of the ‘pathologies of Jewish life’: ‘the sense that “all the world is against us,” the resulting fear, resentment, and hatred of the goy, the secret dreams of reversal and triumph’ (p. 218).”

    [from "A Necessary Reply," The Occidental Quarterly, vol. 8, no. 1 (Spring 2008)]

  156. @biz

    Who cares? A direct genetic link to the arguably most conflict plagued sector of the planet should not imply a direct passport to moral authority and judgment over conflict resolution.

  157. 5371 says:
    @biz

    Nothing like the appeal to a dubious authority whose name you can’t even manage to spell correctly if you want to win an argument, eh, hasbara boy? Even better than your usual technique of simply reiterating nonsense. I think Dr. Freud has some breathing space yet before you can take away his laurels as most famous Jewish psychoanalyst.

  158. They probably thought it was 1881 or 1933 after stumbling on to the comments section here.

    The conservatives most unhinged about Trump haven’t been Jews, actually. For example:

    The Blaze founder Glenn Beck has weighed in on Texas Senator Ted Cruz’s endorsement of Republican nominee Donald Trump, writing that “[d]isappointment does not begin to describe” his feelings about Cruz’s endorsement of his former primary rival.
    Beck posted the following to his Facebook page:

    Profoundly sad day for me.

    Disappointment does not begin to describe.

    Maybe it is time to go to the mountains for a while. (Read below and notice the knives prodding that direction)
    Again, disappointment doesn’t begin to describe my feelings.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/23/glenn-beck-profoundly-sad-cruz-endorsement-trump-maybe-time-go-mountains/

  159. Miro23 says:
    @tamako

    “The best way forward for a small, well-connected minority is to align with the dominant ethnic group and go forth from there. This is actually the best way forward for the Jews, and why they don’t simply do this is something I don’t understand.”

    Like the Chinese oligarch’s Guanxi in SE Asia? US Jews have already been doing this for years (English names, best friends/sponsors of leading Democrat and Republican dynasties – Clinton & Bush + sponsoring Congressmen across the board).

    I think the problem is their fascination with the success (from their point of view) of the Bolshevik Jews in Russia who exacted a massive revenge against native Russians and Ukrainians while establishing their own Jewish aristocracy. This is such an enticing prospect but requires weakening Anglo US society sufficiently to enable a successful Coup.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  160. Randal says:
    @Sam Shama

    With the resources of the state it isn’t difficult, I understand, to identify who is behind supposedly anonymous tags, but I don’t know the ins and outs of how they go about it. I suspect most major internet organisations will provide information to the police when told it’s in relation to a “criminal investigation”. There are procedures and structures put in place to deal with really nasty stuff (child porn, terrorism etc). We don’t have the kinds of protection for speech and privacy that they have in the US, and such matters are far less transparent.

    Here’s the individual in question boasting about the process and gloating about some of his other victims:

    And yes, I know you’re still waiting. Unfortunately, the process that is currently being worked through runs slower than a snail’s pace. It involves a huge amount of co-ordination between CAA, up to three police forces (the recipient of the original complaint, your local force and the force where the antisemitism czar is based) and the CPS. Oh, and me and several other Jewish people who read your comments too……….So far, two of the five people under investigation have been arrested and questioned. One of them (David Carter – Cardiff’s answer to Adolf Hitler) is still spewing out the same hate-speech on twitter (@splottdave), whilst the second one (Samantha Blair in Thurso – @ValhallaSam) has had a meltdown whilst waiting to be charged. I wonder which way you’ll go when the ‘reality’ that you keep banging on about, but about which you have no concept, eventually kicks in.

    Usually I’d just dismiss this kind of thing as internet trolling, but I take this one seriously for two reasons. First I know there has been a move towards starting to enforce “hate speech” repression laws at the highest levels, and second he posted on Disqus about having discussed “my case” in a meeting with the Assistant Chief Constable responsible for this process nationally just before the apparatchik in question announced on Twitter that he’d had such a meeting. Too close for a coincidence.

    My suspicion is that he just doesn’t understand the issues involved, and that the CPS and politicians won’t fancy trying to extend their speech control laws to political discussion comments on small political discussion forums just yet (so far they are just going for people who shout abusive racist terms and rant about violent solutions on the big platforms such as Twitter, Facebook etc,, in order to get the rules bedded in and principles accepted, as far as I can tell).

    A lot depends on how far the new Home Secretary wants to push the issue. Theresa May, I think, was well known for being personally authoritarian and was enthusiastically behind enforcing such laws if she could get away with it.

    Bottom line is I don’t look forward to the hassles that would be involved in the process, but I’m interested to see how far they can take it, and am quite happy to plead not guilty and take whatever comes. I’m retired and my children are grown up, so I can afford to go to prison for a spell if that’s what it comes down to. Certainly I won’t be pleading guilty or apologising, under any circumstances, even if the legal advice were to be that defeat is certain.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  161. Randal says:
    @Neil Templeton

    I didn’t realize that opinions were legally actionable in the UK.

    See my reply to Sam Shama above. It’s something that’s gradually becoming more common, starting with the easy targets (people who post violent or gratuitously offensive rants on Twitter, Facebook etc) in order to establish precedents and get people accustomed to the idea.

    In the long run, though, the identity lobbyists are openly salivating at the prospect of making all their pet hate opinions and arguments illegal even to express. You can get some idea of the sheer extent of what the elites and lobbyists consider “anti-Semitic discourse” in last year’s report of the Parliamentary committee on antisemitism:

    http://www.antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/themes/PCAA/images/4189_PCAA_Antisemitism%20Report_spreads_v9%20REPRO-DPS_FOR%20WEB_v3.pdf

    If you are in the US you might be entitled to some feeling of smugness about your own First Amendment. Indeed I grew up believing that such written protections were unnecessary and not needed in my own country. I was wrong – I failed to foresee the scale and sheer, flagrant hypocrisy of the left’s turn from defending freedom of speech to actively promoting the open suppression of dissent in the past few decades. But I suspect I was correct that your written constitution won’t in practice protect you much better. I foresee a “hate speech” exception to the US’s free speech protections being adopted by your Supreme Court within a decade or two – sooner if Clinton wins this time.

  162. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    We have to be careful of the language we use. I reject the use of the terms “antisemite” and “antisemitism.” Do you?

    Obviously I do not reject the term.

    It is very useful. How else can we identify Nazis and neo-Nazis? All of them are not going to dress up in colorful uniforms.

    Apparently there are racists who are not anti-Semites, so the term has its uses.

    I do agree that we need to be careful, and I admit to failing in this regard. However, I try to learn and I intend to be more accurate and precise going forward.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Rich
  163. @Svigor

    Svigor, it’s not so soft, but that’s part of the manipulation. The Jew very well uses guilt as an emotional manipulation tool, similarly to how an egoistic mother would use it to manipulate her children. When the power looks soft, destroying that power would be brutal and inhumane and would instill the White folks with guilt. If their power looked strong, destroying it would be justifiable and brave. Also, “softness” depends on context. When your average White male has the manliness of a 19th century farm girl, but your average White female has 4x the testosterone level of that farm girl, “softness” is an entirely different thing…

  164. imbroglio says:

    But it is 1881 and the Cossacks are coming and we are assimilating and disappearing as fast as we can. Let some other folks be the Jews the next time around.

  165. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    How does one go about preventing anyone from contributing to their chosen advocacy group? You tell me.

    I’m glad you asked, Sam. You once admitted that Jews, including yourself, send your monthly cheques, “automaton,” to AIPAC.

    As I indicated previously, I just finished reading GA’s The Wondering Who? The passage that struck me the most was the tale Atzom recounted about his military service in the summer of 1984, in Lebanon. He visited Ansar, a notorious Israeli internment camp in the south of Lebanon. This experience “changed his life completely”:

    I confronted the officer about these horrible concrete dog cubes.

    He was quick to reply: ‘These are our solitary confinement blocks; after two days in one of these, you become a devoted Zionist!’ This was enough for me. I realised that my affair with the Israeli state and with Zionism was over. Yet I still knew very little about Palestine, about the Nakba or even about Judaism and Jewish-ness, for that matter. I only saw then that, as far as I was concerned, Israel was bad news, and I didn’t want to have anything further to do with it. Two weeks later I returned my uniform, grabbed my alto sax, took the bus to Ben-Gurion Airport and left for Europe…

    I’m sure you, and most of your co-religionists, are aware of the Ansar internment camp. So to answer your question about “preventing people from contributing to their chosen advocacy group,” why would you and other American Jews send in their monthly cheques if they know they are underwriting a regime that treats other human beings in this manner? More specifically, how can you go about your days bragging about eating the finest foods, drinking the finest wines, wearing the finest clothes, while knowing that your monthly cheques are underwriting the death of half a million innocent Iraqi children, the deaths of over a million innocent Muslims in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somolia, etc., executing PNAC’s Plan to remake the ME to secure the villa in the jungle… a villa that treats other human beings in such a deplorable manner?

    Here’s my simple solution: I no longer think getting AIPAC registered under FARA will do anything. A more feasible solution lies with The Community. If you are ostensibly opposed to all this death and destruction, you and others must convince TC to stop sending their cheques, automaton or not, to AIPAC. If you don’t, you and others have to live with the fact that you are responsible, in part, for those horrible concrete dog cubes.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    , @Sam Shama
  166. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    It is very useful. How else can we identify Nazis and neo-Nazis?

    If we accept that no people are superior to others, we just need to identify them as racists and neo-racists.

  167. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    “…their fascination with the success (from their point of view) of the Bolshevik Jews in Russia who exacted a massive revenge against native Russians and Ukrainians while establishing their own Jewish aristocracy.”

    Therefore the curious situation when the Russophobic Masha Gessen extolls the Belorussian Nobel Prize laureate in journalism (?!) Svetlana Alexievich who writes in Russian (btw, who knows Ms. Alexevich’ works?), while the name of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, a Nobel Prize laureate in Literature, has become shunned in the West and his important documentary about the history of Jewish people in Russia, “Two Hundred Years Together,” has been sequestered by the British and American publishing houses. There are well-documented facts about atrocities committed by Bolshevik Jews – on a horrendously massive scale – against native Russians and Ukrainians; these acts were as sadistic as the Nazis’ actions against non-Aryans. The undeniable facts of exceptional prominence of Bolshevik Jews in the Russian revolution, Civil War, and Purges make the profitable status of special Jewish victimhood go in flames.

  168. annamaria says:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/09/httporiginalantiwarcomsmith-grant2016091981-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel.html

    81% 0f Americans oppose the $38 billion military gift to Israel
    “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.”

  169. iffen says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Joey Sobran was no patriot. Scum of the earth, maybe.

    Do you have any concise quotes or writings of his that you wish to share in order to back up this opinion?

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  170. Rich says:
    @iffen

    But why is it necessary to identify Nazis or neo-Nazis or anti-Semites or Racists? Who cares what someone, in their private life, thinks about another race or culture? I think it’s more important to avoid the implementation of “thought-crimes.” If someone assaults a Rabbi who cares what his motivation was? What should matter is only the fact of the assault. We have crossed a dangerous line with the passage of “hate crime” legislation that, in my opinion, violate the US Constitution’s Freedom of Speech guarantees. Right now certain groups believe they are benefiting from this legislation, I can foresee this legislation easily being turned against them in the future.
    Actions, not thoughts, are what should matter.

    • Replies: @iffen
  171. iffen says:
    @Rich

    But why is it necessary to identify Nazis or neo-Nazis or anti-Semites or Racists?

    It is necessary for political reasons; for choosing up sides. It is extremely unlikely, but not completely impossible, that a political opposition could form to oppose the elites. If a political opposition did coalesce, you wouldn’t want blatant racists and neo-Nazis in your political group.

    I am opposed to hate speech laws and hate crime laws.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    , @Rich
  172. RolandO says:

    “That’s why so many Jews are so passionately committed to mass Third World immigration.”

    Such Jews are UNASSIMILATED.

  173. “I’d not an anti-Semite;”

    Derb should be smart enough to know that beginning an article like that is like cutting yourself so you’re profusely bleeding and then jumping into a school of hungry sharks.

    The truth and reason mean absolutely nothing to these people.

    I do agree with Derb however that it is a small subset and the heightened paranoia seems to be among East European Jews. Remember that many are literally just one generation removed from the shetel which was essentially medieval.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  174. artichoke says:
    @iffen

    Why do we assume that racism is bad or that it’s even reasonable to try to get rid of it? Asians are racist through and through. The whole “la Raza” movement is obviously racist. Many African Americans are racist. Everybody gets to be racist but whites?

    Not buying it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. artichoke says:
    @iffen

    I’m more idealistic on the topic. I think the current abhorrence of racism, which is obviously illogical and targeted, will diminish. In 20 years you won’t want to exclude “blatant racists” from your group, because racism will be accepted at least tacitly — even by white people.

  176. I find it irreconcilable that a religion that considers its own people as the “chosen ones” does not create an adversarial us versus them problem with the rest of the world. Just how big of a problem depends on just how deeply these beliefs are held. I agree that for the vast majority of Jews, the belief system is not that deep to cause a problem. But for that small subset of true believers, the beliefs are so deeply entrenched in their individual and group identity that they have become actionable, and therefore problematic. If you think about it this way, you can see why you find heavy concentrations of these true believers in focal positions of power throughout society — law, politics, banking, high finance, and the news/media/entertainment complex. From these focal points, one can best act on their beliefs in a manner to win the us versus them battle.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  177. Rich says:
    @iffen

    Obviously, there aren’t too many people who want to hang around with someone who dresses up like Himmler and marches around his basement making speeches about the 4th Reich.
    The problem is that the term “racist” no longer has any meaning. When I was a kid, it meant someone who violently attacked someone else because of his race. Now, it appears to mean any White person. As long as someone isn’t physically attacking someone else, they should be left alone.

    • Agree: artichoke
  178. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow. Jennifer Rubin is really an arrogant piece of work.

  179. artichoke says:
    @geokat62

    The existence of a specific prison in a specific war on Israel’s border does not mean there is broad Israeli support for all the disruption going on in the middle east now. Do you have some direct proof there is? Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi etc. were not attacking Israel. ISIS which is taking their place very well might.

  180. artichoke says:
    @Clearpoint

    Jews are not in those positions because they think they are chosen people. Just having that belief isn’t enough to accomplish that. There is racial solidarity, but then almost everyone but white people are allowed to have that.

    • Replies: @Clearpoint
  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jennifer Rubin sounds almost unhinged in the video.

  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @artichoke

    Once whites are no longer a minority, it will be declared by the PTB – and backed up by new research – that racism is normal.

  183. artichoke says:
    @Svigor

    The inference that he was in a nursing home, therefore his children disliked him, is extremely weak if it exists at all.

  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jennifer Rubin’s face when she says “the other” at 41:15. Ugh!

    I’ve never heard her speak before, but I’m astounded at how grating her voice and style of speaking are.

  185. old okie says:
    @Rich

    I am gonna have to say he is at least jew adjacent.. Half German? hmmm. strike one. Married to Carole Sonnenfield a professor of Psych who writes novels about adolescent grief? strike two. A son named Benjamin? strike three you’re out.

  186. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jennifer Rubin says that,

    Conservatives, you see, do not believe that immigration causes unemployment. That’s a zero sum thinking that we usually attribute to our friends on the Left. It’s factually not true and philosophically is abhorrent to conservatives who do not believe that if I win you lose. Conservatives do not believe that millions of jobs were lost because of free trade. That’s nonsense. We know that there has been a shuffling of the work force. We know that a more automized, more sophisticasted workplace requires different skills, but we have not lost millions and millions of jobs to Mexico. China did not steal our jobs.

    Jennifer Rubin’s idea of what conservatives believe is completely foreign to what I tend to think that conservatives believe. It’s as though she lives in a parallel universe.

    • Replies: @Randal
  187. Art says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Joey Sobran was no patriot. Scum of the earth, maybe. He learned well what happens when you mouth off to the wrong people, he learned so well his liver went bye-bye and Joey went die-die.

    Oh my – here we see a Zionist Zombie on steroids.

    The irrational hate for humanity instilled in him by his parents just drips out of him with every word.

    Clearly he is a victim of his mean culture. What kind of a sick culture traumatizes its children with abject fear of humanity?

    p.s. Joe Sobran was a great writer. His articles were always interesting – seldom where they a copycat of the existing folderol of the day.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  188. Mr. Anon says:
    @oh its just me too

    “I do agree with Derb however that it is a small subset and the heightened paranoia seems to be among East European Jews.”

    Define small. Jews are already a small minority in America, but clearly they have a lot of power and influence. I agree that it is only a subset of Jews who actively promote immigration, but they have support – seemingly, often, broad support among the entire minority. Also, in voting patterns and social attitudes, such as acceptance of the normalization of homosexuality, Jews block-vote to a greater degree than other old-world and/or non-black ethnic minorities, such as Irish or Italians.

    • Replies: @Karl
  189. Mr. Anon says:
    @artichoke

    “Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi etc. were not attacking Israel.”

    Saddam Hussein did actually lob a few desultory SCUD missiles at Israel during the first Gulf War (i.e., the second Gulf War).

  190. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    “I really don’t think Bret Stephens has even a inchoate fear of middle america whites launching pogroms. ”

    Maybe, but here’s what Brett Stephens said at ~1:10:11:

    I’ve done everything in my power to stop this guy. I’ve done everything in my power to scream from the rooftops that this is a form of demagoguery that we saw in the 1930s in Europe, and in the 1970s in Latin America, we’re seeing today in the Philippines. You can blame me for not having a big enough megaphone or for not being an articulate enough columnist, right … I accept that, but don’t blame me or you, or anyone else in this audience for this phenomenon of hatred, bigotry, nativism, and an angry turn at people who should not be blamed, whether it’s the elites, or whether it’s Hispanics or Muslims.

  191. geokat62 says:
    @artichoke

    Do you have some direct proof there is? Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi etc. were not attacking Israel.

    Remember all the suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem during the height of the second intifada in the 90s, before the wall… I mean separation barrier was built? Young girls were strapping on vests packed with explosives and detonating them on buses, in pizza parlors, and in night clubs. Well, guess who was furnishing the suicide bombers’ family with $25,000 as a bounty for their children’s efforts? That’s right, it was Saddam Hussein. Saddam, Assad, Gaddafi, and the Iranian mullahs were still assisting the Palestinians in their fight against the brutal occupation. That’s why some of these countries were lucky enough to make it on the “Axis of Evil” hit list. If you were closely following the news, you’d be aware of all this… which makes me wonder, why you’re not.

  192. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Alex Leamas: From childhood Jews are imbued with ethnic and moral chauvinism and among themselves have no compunction about expressing it.

    There may be a grain of truth to this, yet I doubt it is any more disagreeable than ordinary group pride expressed by any given ethnicity [French? Chinese? .....]

    I do not think that Mr. Shama believes that for one second. He is reflexively zombie like defending his culture, he has no choice in the matter. All the traumatic propaganda subjected on him in his youth still grips his soul. He was inculcated with a loathing for his fellow humans. He was indoctrinated with an exclusive identity rather than an inclusive identity. As a young boy he was instilled with a hate and fear of all other tribes. Mr. Shama doesn’t know it – but he was abused – his Big Jew cultural leaders abused him. They stole his intellectual freedom.

    This childhood drum beat manifests itself in Mr. Shama’s adulthood persona. No matter what occurs, he finds the words to defend his tribe in a zombie like fashion. What can we say – he is a Little Jew controlled long ago by his Big Jews. What a shame.

    The culmination of all this child abuse is Zionist Israel – a nation of permanent fear – a land that is held together by loathing, fear, and hate.

  193. Randal says:
    @Anonymous

    Jennifer Rubin’s idea of what conservatives believe is completely foreign to what I tend to think that conservatives believe.

    That’s my impression too.

    Though I feel the first obvious explanation is that Rubin is not a conservative, but rather a socially liberal globalist. The second is that she is just a liar. The two are not mutually exclusive, of course. Quite the contrary, in fact.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  194. annamaria says:
    @artichoke

    “The existence of a specific prison in a specific war on Israel’s border does not mean there is broad Israeli support for all the disruption going on in the middle east now…” – Of course there are many decent Israelis in Israel. But considering the example of predatory Jewish attitude towards Germany (all German citizens) — “Germany Has Paid Out More Than $61.8 Billion in Third Reich Reparations” — all Israelis deserve to be called “good Germans.” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p19_reparations.html

    “Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi etc. were not attacking Israel.” – Correct. But the Israel-firsters in the US/UK have been extraordinary aggressive when pushing for the illegal Iraq War and attacking Libya and Syria: “On Jan. 26, 1998, the neocon Project for the New American Century sent a letter to Clinton urging the ouster of Saddam Hussein by force if necessary.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-iraq-war-the-neocons-and-americas-chalabi-legacy-of-lies/5487105 http://newobserveronline.com/iraq-crisis-inevitable-consequence-of-the-jewish-lobbys-planned-middle-east-warmongering/
    The founders of PNAC, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, are rabid Israel-firsters and insatiable warmongers. Core members of the PNAC included “Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Zoellick, and John Bolton.” (This roster of prominent ziocons needs to be augmented with the name of Michael Ledeen famed for his “yellow cake” story): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
    Netanyahu pushing for Iraq war: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002
    “The neoconservatives aimed for an Israelisation of American policy, conflating Israeli and American enemies.” http://www.thenational.ae/arts-lifestyle/the-review/how-neoconservatives-led-us-to-war-in-iraq#full
    The “Israelisation of American policy” is a picture of parasitic feasting on American resources that became available when the US “brains” (Deep State & visible government) have become infected by various poisonous projects designed by either major war profiteers for money or by the “chosen” for the glory of Eretz Israel … and money.
    Could you exonerate any of the persons below? They are all criminal propagandists for wars of aggression in the Middle East (including the half-wit and ignoramus G. W. Bush)
    Jewish Neocons in the Bush Administration:
    * Richard Perle, Chairman of George Bush’s Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee
    * Douglas Feith,Under Secretary of Defense and the Pentagon’s Policy Advisor.
    * Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary and campaign advisor
    * Robert Satloff, US National Security Council Advisor
    * Rabbi Dov Zekheim, Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller
    * Elliott Abrams, National Security Council Advisor
    * Marc Grossman, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs
    * Richard Haass, Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Director of National Security Programs
    * Robert Zoellick, the US’s Trade Representative
    * Ari Fleischer Israeli citizen), official White House spokesman
    * Joshua Bolten, Bush’s Chief Policy Director
    * Steve Goldsmith, Senior Advisor to the President and domestic policy advisor
    * David Frum, Bush’s official White House speechwriter

    http://newobserveronline.com/iraq-crisis-inevitable-consequence-of-the-jewish-lobbys-planned-middle-east-warmongering/

  195. […] What Do Jennifer Rubin and Brett Stephens Have Against “Nativism”?–Oh, Wait… (John Derbyshire, Unz Review) […]

  196. Svigor says:

    The inference that he was in a nursing home, therefore his children disliked him, is extremely weak if it exists at all.

    I don’t hold the fact that Emmitt Till’s daddy was a serial rapist and murderer of women against him, and I don’t hold Rabbis’ disturbing tendency to molest children against Jews, so, I’m obviously not concerned if Francis’ kids had daddy issues.

    Dominant? Crucial? Who knows. Significant – quite significant – very likely, it seems to me.

    Reminds me of the quip attributed to Churchill (inter alia); “we’ve already established that you’re a whore. Now we’re just haggling over price.”

    I’m not concerned with exactly how much damage the traitor Pollard caused. He’s a traitor, in any event.

    The conservatives most unhinged about Trump haven’t been Jews, actually. For example:

    Yeah, but Beck had the advantage of starting out completely unhinged. Keep the examples coming, though; one’s not much of a sample. Besides, limiting the conversation to “conservatives” rules out 95% of prominent Jews.

    It is very useful. How else can we identify Nazis and neo-Nazis?

    You’re Jewish, right? Odds are, a mirror will do.

    But why is it necessary to identify Nazis or neo-Nazis or anti-Semites or Racists? Who cares what someone, in their private life, thinks about another race or culture?

    Whites project onto Jews their lack of interest in rounding up political enemies and putting them on trains to gulags. Probably a mistake.

    He was inculcated with a loathing for his fellow humans.

    I think 1) misanthropy is the “lost” father of racism (meaning, it’s much worse, but few people even know what it means, and TPTB couldn’t care less about it), and 2) yes, it’s the most appropriate word for what we see from Jews.

  197. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    “Though I feel the first obvious explanation is that Rubin is not a conservative, but rather a socially liberal globalist. The second is that she is just a liar. The two are not mutually exclusive, of course. Quite the contrary, in fact.”

    I think you’re probably right, or at least on the right tract.

  198. FKA Max says:
    @Art

    “You could see there was blood coming out of [his] eyes, blood coming out of [his] wherever. In my opinion, [he] was off base.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/07/trump-says-foxs-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever/

    Donald Trump: I’m a counter-puncher

    The good sir seems to have gotten truly triggered by my Joseph Sobran/Counter-Semitism comment: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/#comment-1584909

    He reminds me of Eric Breindel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Breindel who had a relationship with Tamar Jacoby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_Jacoby ) debating Christopher Hitchens on David Irving:

    Christopher Hitchens on Charlie Rose – On David Irving’s controversial biography (May 8, 1996)

    Mr. Sobran must have been onto something with this distinction between anti-Semites and counter-Semites. Too bad, he did not further pursue this idea and concept in his writing beyond the interview he gave to The New Republic. I think it merits much more attention and discussion.

  199. @geokat62

    I kinda miss ol’ Saddam…he had one of the best mustaches in the business. :)

  200. Art says:
    @artichoke

    The existence of a specific prison in a specific war on Israel’s border does not mean there is broad Israeli support for all the disruption going on in the middle east now. Do you have some direct proof there is?

    Netanyahu promised NO PEACE and the Israelis elected him – what more do we need to know about the evil nature of Zionism and Zionist Israel?

    p.s. US Jews still support NO PEACE Israel.

  201. @artichoke

    Racial solidarity or the spiritual solidarity of like-minded individuals with the same belief systems and the same goals? My money is on spiritual solidarity. What’s inside the man transcends what’s on the outside.

  202. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Yes, I do agree with stopping financial support of AIPAC, having done so personally last year and convincing a good 10% of my congregation to do so as well. The mission continues. About the Ansar internment camp, I have no firsthand knowledge, and should therefore expect the broad cross-section of American Jews to have none at all. That it is repressive and deplorable, I have no trouble believing, a feature most common to the many dotted the world over, including our very own at Guantanamo.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  203. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    “Remember all the suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem… it was Saddam Hussein. Saddam, Assad, Gaddafi, and the Iranian mullahs were still assisting the Palestinians in their fight against the brutal occupation.”

    At least you recognize that these bombings were provoked by occupation. It should be added that the killings of young Iranian scientists by Mossad agents belong also to provocation: https://www.rt.com/news/219707-iran-nuclear-mossad-assassination/ – as well as the widespread torture of Palestinians of all ages in Israeli prisons: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/03/israeli-doctors-report-torture-palestinian

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-tortures-palestinian-children-keeps-them-in-outdoor-cages-in-winter/5501772

    “Young girls were strapping on vests packed with explosives…”
    Interesting that Jewish people celebrate certain females that were ready to give their lives for the Jewish tribe while participating in and even committing murder: Dalila (Dalila & Samson), Judith (Judith & Olophern), Esther (Esther & Haman).

    • Replies: @geokat62
  204. @iffen

    Sure.

    “But McCarthy’s real sin was a sin of omission. He fingered a lot of Communist and pro-Communist small fry who had wormed into the government during the Roosevelt administration, but he never dared to finger the real villain: Franklin Roosevelt himself. That would have taken more guts than Joe McCarthy, or the entire U.S. Marine Corps, had.”

    “Clinton will be honored as a hero and martyr of the sexual revolution — the president who made it official that sexual freedom is a human right! Is this Clinton’s hidden agenda? I think so.”

    The man who holds as his philosophical grounds the mantra “Roosevelt was a Commie, Clinton was a Homo, Hitler was Right!” can hardly expect to be surprised when even The American Conservative withdraws its loaf of bread and leaves him to starve, a paranoid pauper begging for attention and cheap whiskey.

    The humiliation of Joseph Sobran should make every true patriot proud to be an American, an inheritor of that great civilization created by Europeans and Jews.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  205. Stilton says:

    Trump is quite simply the Golem for us goyim. In dark times, the people look to a protector. It doesn’t matter if that protector is profane, unsubtle, ignorant… What matters is he will champion the will of the people and fight the creeping tide of elitist soporifics, cultural Marxism, and deadly naïveté that have brought us to be brink of losing our country.

  206. Sam Shama says:
    @Randal

    I read through the thread you linked and bluntly put, rarely have I encountered a vile piece of work as this blighter ‘robbersdog’ appears to be. I was struck; not so much by his disdain for the notion of free speech – which is evident enough – but the unconcealed glee he positively displays in prosecuting police and legal action against an anonymous internet poster.

    Tbh, being Jewish I’ve felt offended in the past, intensely so I daresay, when I was confronted by an interlocutor, who among other things, spoke of ‘off’ing well known jewish persons. Nonetheless, it took only a little reflection on my part, to realise that both he and I were terribly incensed by the other, and things got a bit out of hand. Calmer attitudes prevailed thereafter. Which is not to say we don’t cross cross words anymore, we do, but an overall detente exists. :-)

    I moved to the U.S. sixteen years ago, and never reckoned the 1st Amendment emphatically remarkable, as surely none from the Anglosphere would; but today, I should barely recognise an U.K., indeed an England, if Common law and the Crown’s Prosecution pursues a man for simply speaking his opinion. That truly is the thin end of the wedge, and must deserve unqualified rejection. Accordingly, I am certain the final word on the matter will be true to U.K’s tradition, and this outrage shall not gain any purchase.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Randal
  207. If Rubin, Stevens et al. suffer from a neurotic compulsion to label any attempt by white Gentiles to collectively pursue their best interests -however modest in scope (i.e. Trump)- as proof of some incipient 4th reich, then there’s a very simple solution for them: They can make Aliyah to Israel. The so-called “good” Hebrews like the Michael Savages of the world (whatever their actual percentages in the total population) can stay put.
    White Americans should not be expected to commit demographic suicide to appease a “subset of a subset” of Jews that happen to suffer from an irrational paranoia about marauding Cossacks coming for them in the night.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  208. Svigor says:

    Racial solidarity or the spiritual solidarity of like-minded individuals with the same belief systems and the same goals? My money is on spiritual solidarity. What’s inside the man transcends what’s on the outside.

    Race goes all the way to the marrow.

    The humiliation of Joseph Sobran should make every true patriot proud to be an American, an inheritor of that great civilization created by Europeans and Jews.

    Jews fellate themselves again, news at 11.

    • Replies: @Clearpoint
  209. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria

    Dalila (Dalila & Samson), Judith (Judith & Olophern), Esther (Esther & Haman).

    Don’t forget about Judith Miller and Michael Gordon.

  210. Karl says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr Anon > I agree that it is only a subset of Jews who actively promote immigration, but they have support

    …from theUnz-nik’im of the world, who read the NY times every day, watch Hollywood television every day, moth-to-flame embracing/buying/obsessing every day.

    And then complain about the horribleness of the world they see.

    To repeat what I’ve written before: I have done real commercial business with ACTUAL race-conscious, ethnic-self-centric Whites…. the Amish Mennonites of mid-America (they import some Israeli items).

    They don’t do ANY of the Unz-nik stuff.

    and they seem pretty happy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  211. Sam J. says:

    I agree with the Jews. They should be afraid of the people they live among. The reason why is simple. They’ve been thrown out of every single country they’ve been to in any large numbers. The reason is they’re a tribe of psychopaths who always work constantly to disinherit and destroy the people they live among. They certainly did 9-11. Only a ridiculous bunch of psychopaths could do such a stupid thing and think it would not have repercussions.

    What Deb is really saying is there are good Jews. Well how many? 10, 100 certainly not more as all the super smart Jews that run our media can see that building #7, not hit by a plane, falling as fast as a rock dropped in air for roughly 108′ can’t be anything but the result of demoing the bottom out from under it. Where are the good Jews talking about this? Where are the good Jews telling us about the bad Jews? The only Jew I saw talk about this on the idiot box was Gerardo and only once as I’m sure they told him to shut up immediately.

    The record of the Jews is to destroy every country they go to. I’ve become weary of Jews telling me my country should change to be a good place for the Jews. I care about the Jews just as much as they care about me.

  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jeremy Corbyn, the veteran Left leader again won the mandate by a landslide (62% of the votes). But in a statement released minutes after the result of leadership contest was announced, Gideon Falter, chairman of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, blasted: “Though we are an apolitical organisation …the Labour Party is no longer a safe place for British Jews.”

    We also learn thatParry Mitchell, a senior Jewish Labour peer has quit the Labour party today over Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘lukewarm’ approach to anti-Semitism. The Jewish peer struggles to cope with the democratic process. “Jeremy has no leadership qualities whatsoever – his little group like him and they think he’s the Messiah, but he will never become the leader and prime minister of this country,” Lord Mitchell told BBC One’s Sunday Politics.

    {Source: site of Gilad Atzmon, a Jew clear-minded enough to have realized what the primary source of Jewish problems has been all through history}

    The human brain is fundamentally adaptive.
    Today’s conquered power (and allowed arrogance) become tomorrow’s normality, to it.

    I am mildly friend with some Jews, and can vouch for their absolute collective loss of contact with anything resembling reality as concerns ethnicity and Israel.

    Quite much all of them:

    1) Conflate their ethnocentrism-centred views and wills with some kind of universal justice

    2) Lecture any non-Jew about any moral matter, imparting the view coinciding with their ethnocentric interests as a paradigm of morals

    3) Mark out as “anti-Semitic” and attach any possible stigma to whomever isn’t meekly receptive of 2), or notices 1)

    4) Lack the faintest idea of what would happen to cross-racial/ethnic co-existence if the others would start acting even a little like they do and replying in kind

    Whose fault is all of this?
    Well I’d say it’s not the Jews’ fault.
    It’s the fault of the willing kowtowers.

    The human mind loves power — it was built to pursue it —, and of all the addictions it can fall prey to, addiction to power is the deepest and more easily caught.
    As I said, allowing someone to overbear you only has two effects on their psyche: it makes their current dominance over you look like state of balance (thus of fairness) ; it makes them want to dominate you more. This is how all human brain work.
    However, and obviously, it’s a feature more or less present, on average, depending on ethnicity, and circumstances allowing its growth.

    You see the more power they have the worse they feel. Naturally, they don’t know what makes them feel bad, nor why the non-submissive peoples around them are at the very least so wary of them.

    Criticism and hints at reality only make them raise their tone: this is natural too. As long as who criticizes them and pushes them towards reality is an exception instead of the rule, this won’t change.

    This is nothing particularly new. Only Internet is making it more visible, and less hard to realize, for a growing number of people: just look at the Frankfurt School and see if this is anything new or not.

    I mean, it’s many a decade a good share of their highly intelligent writers is devoted to lecturing, overbearing, bullying, and proudly expressing contempt of the very people they claim their right to be treated with silk gloves by.

    I mean, even allowing the Frankfurters to live amidst the white people would have meant the white people deserved to serve as rugs (soft, comfortable mats).
    In fact, the white people revered the paranoid hate-devoured venom-bursting Frankfurters.
    Already in the late 1960s the White people had become a shipwreck of history, and a people no longer equipped with what it takes to survive.

    This is creating severe imbalance in the minds more prone to it, and making the political life of whites who still have will miserable.

    What a stupid ball is history, rolling from one kind of bullying to the next with so little pause inbetween.

  213. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lucas McCrudy

    I am the author of the previous comment, which strongly criticized Jewry and Jewish supremacism.
    However, let me disagree with some under- and not-so-under tones in your comment.

    If Rubin, Stevens et al. suffer from a neurotic compulsion to label any attempt by white Gentiles to collectively pursue their best interests -however modest in scope (i.e. Trump)- as proof of some incipient 4th reich, then there’s a very simple solution for them: They can make Aliyah to Israel.

    100% agree. If Whites were to regain their ethnic being consciousness, the more neurotic Jewish supremacists will have it hard, and should be made to leave.
    I mean, see what’s happening in the UK with Corbyn,
    Corbyn has gotten mud thrown at him for months from the pages of a great share of UK paper media, and why?
    Because he refuses to submit and accept thralldom, which is seen as super-antiSemitic, naturally!

    The so-called “good” Hebrews like the Michael Savages of the world (whatever their actual percentages in the total population) can stay put.

    Now this is an anti-Semitic statement, is it not?
    Why call them “Hebrews” and imply they are all bad people?
    This looks sick/paranoid as well.

    White Americans should not be expected to commit demographic suicide to appease a “subset of a subset” of Jews that happen to suffer from an irrational paranoia about marauding Cossacks coming for them in the night.

    Anti-Semitic paranoia, yet one more time.
    Jews have no hand in White people’s fertility rates, nor in their ethnic masochism.
    That’s why you can see Whites inviting aggression from every other ethnic group, be it blacks, Latinos, Romanis, Arabs: any. It’s just what they turned into, on their own

    Like enlightened Paul Gottfried wrote, no 2% minority shall be held responsible for the problems of a large ethnic group.

    • Replies: @Lucas McCrudy
  214. Randal says:
    @Sam Shama

    bluntly put, rarely have I encountered a vile piece of work as this blighter ‘robbersdog’ appears to be. I was struck; not so much by his disdain for the notion of free speech – which is evident enough – but the unconcealed glee he positively displays in prosecuting police and legal action against an anonymous internet poster.

    Your opinion does you credit, imo, and is the same as my own, and I regard myself as a pretty thick skinned and experienced internet operator. Like most old internet hands, I’ve been directly threatened, foully abused and grossly offended over the years – you shrug it off and accept it as the price of free speech, but his attitude is unusually loathsome.

    Tbh, being Jewish I’ve felt offended in the past, intensely so I daresay, when I was confronted by an interlocutor, who among other things, spoke of ‘off’ing well known jewish persons. Nonetheless, it took only a little reflection on my part, to realise that both he and I were terribly incensed by the other, and things got a bit out of hand. Calmer attitudes prevailed thereafter. Which is not to say we don’t cross cross words anymore, we do, but an overall detente exists.

    This is a grown up attitude to online discussion.

    What annoys me about the principle behind the ideas espoused by the likes of robbersdog (I mean beyond the personality issues – the delight in vicariously bullying and inflicting suffering, and the status obsession, that bespeak personal nastiness and inferiority issues) is that they seek to raise their own identity group’s particular feelings of offence above all others, as somehow special. Being grossly offended by others’ opinions is common to all human beings. This position he shares with all the other identity lobbyists who seek to exercise political and economic power to suppress views they dislike – blacks, homosexuals, feminists, etc. His identity group (and I recognise that it is also yours, but clearly you don’t share his approach) merely seems more effective at leveraging political, media and business influence to achieve it, at any rate in the societies of the US sphere.

    I moved to the U.S. sixteen years ago, and never reckoned the 1st Amendment emphatically remarkable, as surely none from the Anglosphere would; but today, I should barely recognise an U.K., indeed an England, if Common law and the Crown’s Prosecution pursues a man for simply speaking his opinion. That truly is the thin end of the wedge, and must deserve unqualified rejection. Accordingly, I am certain the final word on the matter will be true to U.K’s tradition, and this outrage shall not gain any purchase.

    Sixteen years ago I would not have foreseen the threat now faced to freedom of speech in this country.

    The rot comes, in part, from the fundamentally wrong idea that people have a right not to be offended, which must be “balanced” against people’s right to speak freely. This was enshrined in post-WW2 international conventions and has been encroaching ever further into national laws. One of its main lines of attack, imo, has been antiracism, based upon the unholy alliance of big business and the left to promote globalism and mass immigration, for improved profits in the case of business and for ideological and political reasons in the case of the left.

    I believe, as I have observed before, that the same forces are at work in the US and if they are not successfully opposed they will bring you a “hate speech” exception to your First Amendment protections within the next couple of decades (sooner if Clinton wins). The most likely route would be a Supreme Court ruling changing the way the law is applied overnight, or if that fails a constitutional amendment, which will be more difficult but which will be supported by the coalition of identity groups and big businessmen behind the Democrats.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  215. iffen says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Thanks for the reply.

    Evidently you are drawing on more material than what you have presented here. He is not saying that FDR was a communist, just that he enabled socialists and progressive policies. FDR was (is) the Great Satan for most conservatives. Thinking that hardly qualifies one as scum of the earth.

    Objecting to changing sexual mores and their implementation and enforcement by the government is not grounds for writing someone out of the human family.

    Based upon my limited reading, Sobran was not a Holocaust denier. He defended the right of the deniers to publish and promote their views, and this is a distinction of some importance.

    I intend to continue informing myself about him as he appears to be some sort of divisive icon that illuminates the political views of anyone taking a stand for or against him.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  216. @Anonymous

    “anti-Semitic statement” “anti-Semitic paranoia”

    Given some of the really off the wall, downright Naziesque comments to Derbyshire’s article, I’d say my posting was quite nuanced and respectable. Maybe Hebrew isn’t the up-to-date, PC term for Jewish folks but it’s certainly not an ethnic slur. If you substitute “Jewish” for “Hebrew” and take the quotes off of the word good in my line about the Michael Savages of the world, the comment’s totally respectable.

    As for the last piece, (White Americans should not be expected to commit demographic suicide to appease a “subset of a subset” of Jews .. ) it was written solely with the immigration issue in mind. For example, I will say unequivocally and unconditionally that the Jews have no role whatsoever in the even lower Japanese fertility, compared with whites…

  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @Karl

    You seem to be bent out of shape about Ron Unz because he is jewish. Do you realize that Mr. Unz has criticized the behavior of other members of his own tribe for some of the same things that you are criticizing them for? Do you realize that Mr. Unz is providing a forum for you to express your dissent – the kind of forum that you will not find too many other places? You might be a little more respectful.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  218. Sam Shama says:
    @Randal

    I concur entirely with all you write. I’ll only note that I do not subscribe to identity politics of any shade and my defence of the Jewish side extends only to reject voices which claim the Jewish hand behind all matters gone wrong, perceived or real. Jews are a relatively distinct minority group and thereby easy to assign blame to, and our basic nature to act as busybodies assist in that regard. I tend to leave my religion at the door of the synagogue which I attend sporadically.

  219. Sam Shama says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    The man who holds as his philosophical grounds the mantra “Roosevelt was a Commie, Clinton was a Homo, Hitler was Right!”

    He never claimed any of this as his mantra; it’s your interpretation and the familiar refrain from paranoids who would pilfer any advantage in order to fortify their positions in ill-gotten sinecures.

    when even The American Conservative withdraws its loaf of bread and leaves him to starve, a paranoid pauper begging for attention and cheap whiskey.

    The humiliation of Joseph Sobran should make every true patriot proud to be an American, an inheritor of that great civilization created by Europeans and Jews.

    The American Conservative lost it’s intellectual standing, gaining instead a sell-by date, precisely when it rejected Sobran.

    Exceptional stupidity combined with a dyspeptic tongue, all of it finished with a coating of rough, ill-bred patriotism – as revolting a package you must have wished for yourself.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  220. De Gaulle says:

    The internal struggles of the Jewish community are not to be witnessed by Gentiles. The lashon hara mandate is to protect the community for survival. The Jewish presence and survival in the world speaks about two ideas. First is the Torah. Second is adaption. There are debates on interpretation and on methods and those debates bring some understanding and bring pain.

    The current era people have minorities speaking for majorities. The majorities do not desire to live in the public and they seek stability for living righteous lives. Such discord is destructive.

  221. @iffen

    [commenters who repeatedly try to disguise their identity by dishonestly changing their handles are violating explicit rules. They shouldn't be surprised if all their future comments get trashed.]

    Here are a few of his “Views About Jews” taken straight from the horse’s mouth:

    http://www.sobran.com/fearofjews.shtml

    http://www.sobran.com/issuetexts/2002-04.htm

    http://sobran.com/jewid.shtml

    http://ihr.org/other/sobran/forgivenholocaust

    Humor me for a second and look up some of Sobran’s longer treatises on Nazism and World War II. If a man says that the Holocaust wouldn’t have occurred if the Jews hadn’t invented Communism, is he an anti-Semite? If a man says that Jewish-Zionists run the United States government and are driving it to suicide out of cultural malice, is he an anti-Semite? If a man says that the Holocaust wouldn’t have occurred if Roosevelt hadn’t listened to the Jews and fought the Soviet Union instead of Hitler and company, is he an anti-Semite? If a man declares this man to be a Commie and that man to be a Homo and the Jews to be a threat to Christianity, Democracy, and Civilization, on the basis of nothing but personal opinion, and then declares that he cannot “judge whether the Holocaust did happen” despite mountains of historical evidence easily available to him, is he an anti-Semite? As a matter of fact, he readily accepts claims of even worse Soviet atrocities with even less evidence. Do you seriously believe that a man who is only willing to believe claims of genocide when they are allegedly perpetrated by Jews, rather than against them, is not an anti-Semite? He gleefully gets “bogged down” in endless tales of Stalin’s crimes, but proudly declares that he refuses to believe that the Holocaust ever existed. If “the Holocaust has never been a consuming interest of mine” according to Sobran, why’d he spend “years” reading a publication centered around Holocaust denial? Gee whiz, I wonder.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @iffen
  222. Randal says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Humor me for a second and look up some of Sobran’s longer treatises on Nazism and World War II. If a man says that the Holocaust wouldn’t have occurred if the Jews hadn’t invented Communism, is he an anti-Semite? If a man says …… is he an anti-Semite? If a man says that …… is he an anti-Semite? If a man declares ….. is he an anti-Semite?

    Alternatively of course, instead of calling him names and hoping thereby to delegitimise his opinions ab initio (and in the modern US sphere context, the intended result would be to seek to get those expressing such views harassed, driven out of employment and in many counties arrested and prosecuted), you could accept that he’s entitled to say things you don’t agree with, and directly address the points he raises.

    Based upon my limited reading, Sobran was not a Holocaust denier. He defended the right of the deniers to publish and promote their views, and this is a distinction of some importance.

    I have direct personal experience of being dishonestly called a “Holocaust denier” (repeatedly, and by more than one antisemite witchfinder) for merely arguing that Holocaust denial ought not to be illegal, so for sure Iffen’s suggestion is a plausible one, on its face. I know of Sobran as a traditionalist conservative and nativist, but I don’t know his writings in detail. However, I also know from both personal experience and from general observation that cynical, manipulative name-calling (“racist”, “anti-Semite”) is inevitable when you express traditionalist conservative views.

    • Replies: @iffen
  223. @Sam Shama

    He literally says this in the quotes I provided. Take a look at the full articles themselves, the context is even worse. Joey Sobran lived like a pig and died like a dog, helped along to an early grave by the deprivation of his unearned livelihood. The stupid little man was too embarrassed to admit that getting worked over by some Jewish youths did such a damn good job on his liver that the few doctors cheap enough to see him didn’t even bother trying to fix it.

    • Replies: @5371
  224. iffen says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Thanks for the links.

    I am 3/4 of the way through.

    He was a hell of a good writer.

    Usually your ally is someone you join with against a common enemy; in this
    case, we got the ally first, then we also got its enemies in the bargain.

    Sorting through this anti-Semite business is way more difficult than I imagined.

    I ain’t skeered though, I am soldiering on.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  225. iffen says:
    @Randal

    I have direct personal experience of being dishonestly called a “Holocaust denier” … However, I also know from both personal experience and from general observation that cynical, manipulative name-calling (“racist”, “anti-Semite”) is inevitable when you express traditionalist conservative views.

    I have learned to stop my knee-jerk accusations so as to not fall into the category that you have described here.

    • Replies: @Randal
  226. geokat62 says:

    I have learned to stop my knee-jerk accusations so as to not fall into the category that you have described here.

    Hurrah!

  227. 5371 says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Comments like this, and your others on this thread, are, to put it mildly, not good for the Jews.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  228. @KenH

    It’s power that matters not intentions. Intentions can change overnight but power is built up over generations. Whites have the power to seriously harm Jews, even if they don’t wish it, whereas non-whites don’t have this power, even if they do wish it.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  229. @iffen

    His too-clever-by-half writing style was fantastic at obscuring laughable sentiments behind a flickering veil of aphorisms and specious stridency. When one goes through Sobran’s published “thoughts”, and I use this word in the loosest sense possible, on Communism, World War II, Jews, and Nazism, it quickly becomes apparent that Joe figured leaving Hitler to take care of the Slavs and Hebrews while thumbing our noses at him would save Western Civilization from Communism/International Jewry and preserve its moral conscience. Critical inquiry cannot and should not consist of spittle-flecked diatribes that use winking denials to avoid recrimination.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @iffen
  230. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Yes, I do agree with stopping financial support of AIPAC, having done so personally last year and convincing a good 10% of my congregation to do so as well.

    Glad to hear it, Sam.

    As an aside, there’s been something that I’ve been meaning to ask you. I always wonder what it must be like for someone to have an IQ of 204. The image I keep conjuring up is the character played by Steve McQueen in the movie, The Thomas Crown Affair. To overcome his boredom, he has to constantly dream up new brilliant schemes that confounds the less intelligent.

    Is this something +7σ people have in common?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Sam Shama
  231. vinteuil says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    “His too-clever-by-half writing style was fantastic at obscuring laughable sentiments behind a flickering veil of aphorisms and specious stridency.”

    I guess this is the sort of writing that advances one’s career in academia.

    If only I’d figured it all out in time!

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  232. @Svigor

    May cut to the marrow for some, but certainly not all people. It’s more an excuse to explain away bad behavior than the underlying reason for bad behavior. Which makes it a fiery issue for race hustlers to exploit.

  233. @Sam J.

    I care about the Jews just as much as they care about me.

    That is the proper attitude to have!

  234. annamaria says:
    @Sam J.

    “… they’re a tribe of psychopaths…”
    Could you prove that Cheney is a Jew?
    Moreover, any country should have been happy to have among her citizens such people as Hanna Arendt, Albert Schweitzer, Albert Einstein, Yehudi Menuhin, Alexander Luria…
    Perhaps the exceptionally smart psychopaths are the inevitable outliers (comparatively numerous) for the high IQ tribe.
    By the way, this forum has been available for the readers and commenters like you and me thanks to efforts of the honorable and brilliant Ron Unz, who is of Jewish descent. You should read the ADL’s hatred-filled diatribes about Ron Unz’ well-documented studies on meritocracy: http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/united-states/c/ron-unz-controversial-writer.html
    Though it is much more interesting and satisfying to read these studies: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  235. @Lawrence Fitton

    Based on his oeuvre over the past 17 years or so, and his written reflections on his youth, I would say that whether the information is right or wrong, most of Derb’s racialism is in fact the product of new information absorbed in his adult life, including the last 15 years.

    Why assume that his current attitude reflects ‘belief and opinion established in childhood’? That would seem rather unlikely. Most children are relatively tolerant. It takes years of experience and observation to make a man intolerant.

    I for one am orders of magnitude less tolerant than I used to be. Enjoying it immensely.

    30 years of progressive cant, including since the 1990s a full-on denigration of a liberal order of sovereign, democratic states under constitutional government and based on citizenship and individual rights, in favour of PC, “Critical Theory”, caste identity and “privilege” warring, and transnationalism, have convinced me that the liberal order I was born into is not tenable, and the opposition neither wants nor will permit it.

    So why should I still stand for it?

    • Replies: @Lawrence Fitton
  236. iffen says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    spittle-flecked diatribes

    I will defer to you on this matter as you seem to be more knowledgeable than me on the subject.

    Anyway, I am continuing to read his work and trying to work through some issues on the anti-Semitism questions.

  237. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    “To overcome his boredom, he has to constantly dream up new brilliant schemes…”

    This aspect of behavior is characteristic for psychopaths: http://psychopathsandlove.com/the-nemesis-of-the-psychopath-boredom/

  238. @vinteuil

    Yes, then Stephan Burton wouldn’t be a forgotten write-off with nothing to his name but a cat and a little Rockhurst University adjunctship at the ripe age of 51. Blaming the Jews for a failed career won’t fix the past, Steve. Best to let it go.

    Italy 374

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  239. @Him Over There

    It’s power that matters not intentions. Intentions can change overnight but power is built up over generations. Whites have the power to seriously harm Jews, even if they don’t wish it, whereas non-whites don’t have this power, even if they do wish it.

    None of that excuses Jews using their power to seriously harm whites. Additionally, as they import more non-whites, the latter will gain the power to seriously harm Jews and those from certain regions have proven time and again that they wish to harm them and will do so.

    • Replies: @Him Over There
  240. vinteuil says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Ah, Italy. Tivoli is heaven, in the Spring.

    But, these days, I incline more towards Middle & Eastern Europe. Prague, Bratislava, Budapest – and, above all, Санкт-Петербург.

    “Blaming the Jews for a failed career won’t fix the past, Steve.”

    WTF??? When did I ever “blame the Jews” for anything whatsoever? I mean, seriously – what are you talking about?

  241. @5371

    Why’s that? In regards to this specific comment, I mean.

    • Replies: @5371
  242. Sam J. says:
    @annamaria

    “…Could you prove that Cheney is a Jew?…”

    Stupid Jew talk. Jew dust. For those that don’t understand this is one of the standard methods Jews use in conversations about everything. You talk about Jews they talk about…Cheney??? Cheney being a Jew has nothing to do with the situation, and yes I know you will go on and on about Cheney. The reason the Jews do this is to change the subject to anything but the grievous horror that is the behavior of the Jews and how they fuck up everything everywhere they go. I call this Jew dust. In honor of Gorillas who when startled throw vast quantities of dust up in the air to make themselves seem bigger and more terrifying. The Jew dust Jews throw is lots of stuff tangential to any issue to make the issue seem confusing when if your talking about Jews it’s usually simple. The Jews are abusing everyone around them and wish to hide it.

    I usually say the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Not all, maybe not even the majority, but a large number. All of the Jews ancient writings are nothing more than a manual for psychopaths to live by. The Talmud is nothing but one psychopathic thought after another. The Talmud “great enlightenment” basically says that everyone not Jewish is there to serve Jews. All their property is really the Jews. No one is really human unless they’re Jews and their lives don’t matter. A psychopathic religion for a psychopathic people.

    The “not all” making it clear that not all are but increasingly I wonder just how many are not. It seems to be a very small number as most are perfectly fine with the results of the Jewish attack on the US on 9-11. VERY FEW are against it. Ron Unz being one. I personally believe that Ron Unz is fighting the psychopathic Jews because he believes, and I think he’s right, that the day that the Jews can continue to hide their hideous behavior is coming to an end. So in reality Ron Unz is doing what he does to save the Jews. I’ll bet in his mind he is. Others or actually most Jews think that the best thing to do is to lie, lie, lie, lie and never tell the goy a damn thing. In the US they’ve attacked Christians to such an extent that they’re the minority, they’ve pushed immigration so much that the people who have the most empathy (White people) are becoming the minority and when these people figure what the Jews have been doing they may just exterminate the whole lot of them. The Jews are making Whites more like them. More tribal. They certainly have me. I’m almost completely tribal now for Whites and this is completely in reaction to Jewish actions.

    All these people you listed,”…Hanna Arendt, Albert Schweitzer, Albert Einstein, Yehudi Menuhin, Alexander Luria…”, to hell with them. The amount of damage the Jews have done to the United States and Europe over the centuries can never be made up by a handful of Jews. Never. Give me a choice between the best of the Jews, but still having to take the rest, and bunch of savages from Borneo and I’d take the savages. It’s no use telling White people how lucky we are to have Jewish geniuses if most of them are evil geniuses. The idea that Whites somehow don’t have plenty of geniuses in their own population is just more proof of the arrogance of the evil Jews. We don’t need you. You need us. Parasites after all have to have something to feed on.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  243. 5371 says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Are you so oblivious of normal psychology as not to understand that when your only response to a long-dead stranger who was your intellectual and political opponent, and who whatever his faults was far more respected on his worst day than you will ever be on your best, is to gloat over his purely personal misfortunes and the manner of his death, you arouse great hostility towards the ethnic group on whose behalf you wage such disreputable internet warfare?

  244. Art says:

    Once more – congratulations to John Derbyshire – he has joined the GOOD fight!

  245. Randal says:
    @iffen

    The reality is that such people (“anti-Semite witchfinders”, as I have referred to them) probably create more actual antisemites by their open nastiness and arrogant abuse of power when they get the opportunity than they can ever individually destroy.

    As with totalitarian regimes, they make an example of one to intimidate and silence a hundred, and that works as long as they have the ears of those with actual power, but they are building up resentment and quiet hostility.

    And the problem with these smear terms “racist” and “antisemite” is that they are inherently dishonest, each covering a range from the perfectly reasonable to the thuggishly violent, and intended to conflate those expressing the former with those who espouse the latter. Thus opponents of immigration who merely prefer their country not to be changed forever by floods of foreigners, or who simply believe the realities of racial differences ought to be openly discussed, are conflated with thuggish KKK’ers and skinheads, and therefore made subject to social and legal sanctions built (supposedly) to address the latter. Likewise with people who believe “Holocaust denial” should be treated as what it is – an aspect of free speech and of historical process, rather than used as a social taboo enforced with brutally severe sanctions (prison, in some countries), or who merely recognise that jewish people, just like other groups such as muslims, have collective attitudes and interests that might not align perfectly with those of the majority Christian nation or with particular political groupings in the nation (nativists, for instance), or who disapprove of Israel’s creation or behaviour – all perfectly legitimate political positions whether you agree with them or not. People with those views are conflated dishonestly by the “antisemitism” smear with Nazis and with people who actually do want to kill all jews (such people of course are vanishingly rare in reality, outside the ME).

    We will only have reason and liberty again when the last antiracist is metaphorically strangled with the notional entrails of the last anti-anti-Semite.

    • Replies: @iffen
  246. annamaria says:
    @Sam J.

    “…to save the Jews…”
    You are right that the psychopathic Jews (such as modern ziocons) have been endangering the whole tribe, including the decent, bright, altruistic persons… The Jewish support, whether silent or loud, for Eretz Israel project and atrocities that this projects entails (including the ongoing wars in the Middle East), will eventually hit hard the whole tribe.

  247. iffen says:
    @5371

    you arouse great hostility towards the ethnic group on whose behalf you wage such disreputable internet warfare

    I see this argument from time to time and it seems to make sense. However, if it is true, what prevents provocateurs from using it? How would we be able to tell the difference?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  248. iffen says:
    @Randal

    You have provided an excellent and well-constructed comment.

    I will point out that the main point and objection is directed at the misuse, sometimes dishonest misuse, of the labels. You haven’t presented a case against the honest and accurate evaluation of whether some action or writing deserves the label. It is worthwhile to understand what is racist and what is anti-Semitic and what is not.

    Racists and anti-Semites exist, but few, if any, will openly accept the label. If we take a historical view, we can see that in the past such individuals would openly advocate for their view and accept the labels, even put them into the titles of their books and pamphlets. Since today’s racists and anti-Semites will not openly identify themselves, one has no choice but to make an evaluation based upon the views and writings put forward.

    In political discourse and conflict it is normal to attach as many odious labels and ideas to your opposition as you can get away with. So misuse of labels is not unique to racism and anti-Semitism; it is just one example, it is common political behavior.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Alec Leamas
  249. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Racists and anti-Semites exist…

    Why do you insist on using two terms, when one will do?

    • Replies: @iffen
  250. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I already covered that. I don’t see the point in repeating something over and over. You disagree, fine, that’s okay with me.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  251. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I already covered that.

    Maybe I missed it. Still struggling to understand why “racist” and “racism” don’t suffice. I mean few Americans go around accusing their fellow Americans of being “anti-Italian, ant-Portuguese, anti-Englishman, anti-Hungarian, or ant-Finnish.” Then why do people insist on using the term “anti-Semite”? It just doesn’t make any sense. As a matter of fact, it could be plausibly argued that it smacks of racism to have a separate category for one specific race, wouldn’t you agree?

    • Replies: @Art
  252. @iffen

    If we take a historical view, we can see that in the past such individuals would openly advocate for their view and accept the labels, even put them into the titles of their books and pamphlets. Since today’s racists and anti-Semites will not openly identify themselves, one has no choice but to make an evaluation based upon the views and writings put forward.

    What is interesting to many of us is that this maxim applies equally or the moreso to Jews when called out for their undermining and corruptions. Simply noticing the coincidence of a Jew being involved in these activities is supposedly beyond the pale.

  253. Sam Shama says:
    @5371

    He appears oblivious; my best efforts, strident as they possibly were, failed to impress upon Mr egghead why the simple tenet of graciousness as applied to the departed, remains a cherished tradition in polite society. Not to mention the mores of countering divergent intellectual views with intellectual counterargument, not distasteful schadenfreude.

  254. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Oh dear. Geo, that was in my 20′s, almost as many years and a few equestrian tumbles ago :-)
    Still, I suppose one does feel the vestiges of a lingering gloom, nothing that cannot be dispatched by the company of my hooved mates – or the gifts of Bacchus after sundown.

  255. I went on to youtube and watched this IQ2 debate. Maybe I shouldn’t be, but I was shocked by the Stephens/Rubin performance in the debate. Theirs was a very confused, ideological and incoherent argument masquerading as an intellectual, historical and fact based argument; it was very emotionally packed with charges and defensive stances based on racism, misogynism, anti-Semitism.

    I’ll save you an hour and a half and summarize their argument in the form of a cheap sort of Jedi mind trick they were trying to pull over the audience: “There are no elites; they are a figment of your imagination. If you believe that there are and they are responsible for the Trump phenomenon, then you must understand that you are one of them, and therefore that you are responsible for the Trump phenomenon. But clearly you are not; yet clearly the Trump phenomenon exists. Therefore the Trump phenomenon must be the result of something or someone else. There is a great evil in the world that has risen once again; irredeemable, deplorable individuals who refuse to take responsibility for their own decisions and their own actions, and look instead to blame others for their failure. They are consumed by hatred and lash out at those who they believe unfairly benefit from the natural workings of the laws of economics, in the historical ways of hatred that spew from such individuals…racism, misogynism, and anti-Semitism. We all know where this evil leads; and this evil must be destroyed…

    I watched the debate out of curiosity, as I suspected that the Christian (redemption) and Jewish (good versus evil) religious overtones, which were minor in time over the course of the entire debate, were likely blown out of proportion. Boy, was I wrong. I was shocked how relevant these fundamental religious beliefs were to the tone of the debate, which was kept on very ideological lines by Stephens and Rubin. This debate was old testament Judaism versus new testament Christianity. The angry, vengeful God of the old testament smiting evil from the world in devastating ways versus the kind, loving, giving, and forgiving God of the new testament who has a place in the kingdom of God for saints and sinners alike, as long as the sinners see the error of their ways and repent for their sins.

    The verdict: Carney and Domenech’s “blame the elites” argument won in a landslide — 26% of the undecided 41% of the audience, versus Stephens and Rubin’s “blame the deplorables” argument, with only 6% of the 41%, with 9% remaining undecided. The debate is interesting and worth the watch.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  256. @Alec Leamas

    Maybe in future. But right now it’s whites, especially American whites, who have the ability (tho not the desire) to seriously damage Jews. If you regard anti-Semitism is a sort of recurring mental illness, which randomly afflicts people (and nations) without apparent cause, then it makes sense for Jews to want to weaken white Americans. It’s inevitable that sooner or later they will turn “Nazi”, and it’s better that this happens when they’re weak than when they’re strong.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  257. @Clearpoint

    The existence of elites is self-evident by the very nature of the exercise – four people got to speak for the duration of the affair. All of those people have outsized influence in that they get to print whatever effluent they want to and circulate it to millions on a regular basis.

    “Jews believe in good and evil” is somewhat too precious, particularly given the nature of the debate wherein it is used as a technique to avoid engaging with the positions and reasonable foundations set forth by Trump and his supporters. Immigration restrictionism and trade protectionism may be wrong; they may reduce the average American’s material wealth (arguments that Stephens and Rubin would make if they had the guts to do so) – but in no even are these positions evil. Saying that they are is a self-aggrandizing dodge.

  258. Svigor says:

    If a man says that the Holocaust wouldn’t have occurred if the Jews hadn’t invented Communism, is he an anti-Semite?

    No.

    Mostly I consider the holocaust a dead issue. Note that I said “the holocaust,” not “holocaust revisionism.” Meaning, the whole ball of wax. I take this position because there’s no way to actually discuss the issue. It’s more like a religion than a historical matter. If you take the wrong side, you’re excommunicated, guilt of heresy, etc. It’s pretty absurd, really; when did history become something that can’t be discussed? Oh, that’s right – when the Jews got their hands on it.

    So, in general, I reject all argumentum ad holocaustium. If the matter can’t be discussed, it shouldn’t be used, either. I certainly won’t accept it, in any case.

    He literally says this in the quotes I provided. Take a look at the full articles themselves, the context is even worse. Joey Sobran lived like a pig and died like a dog, helped along to an early grave by the deprivation of his unearned livelihood. The stupid little man was too embarrassed to admit that getting worked over by some Jewish youths did such a damn good job on his liver that the few doctors cheap enough to see him didn’t even bother trying to fix it.

    Your hatred is like a cultural Medal of Honor.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  259. @5371

    Sobran’s misfortunes were never “purely personal”, they arose as a result of deliberate malice. Joe decided to have a go at the Jews and ruined his career, then some nice yeshiva boys had a go at his well-being and ruined his liver. The Jews won. God, I wish I could have been there, seeing two dozen fists and boot-tips bouncing the stupid bastard all over the pavement while he mewled for help. A salient moment in history, unrecorded. Shame.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  260. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [However, if it is true, what prevents provocateurs from using it? How would we be able to tell the difference?]

    I think you got it right about the provocateurs. comment #263

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/#comment-1588781

    It cannot possibly be anything else.

  261. Art says:
    @geokat62

    The Jews are masters at word play. “Anti-Semite” is a cultivated term – it was made up by the Jews – it is a lie.

    The Jews do not ever want the term “anti-Jew” to be spoken – so they made up the term “anti-Semite.” The term “anti-Jew” has currency – it has weight – it has a truth behind it that demands an explanation – Jews fear the explanation.

    The Jews tried to hide themselves in the hundreds of millions of Semitic people – they are saying “it is not us who you hate” – “it is all Semitic people that you hate” – “you bad people hate an ME identity.”

    Of course the lie is that people who object to Jews – do so not because they are Semites – but because they are crazy tribal Jews who do very bad things to Semites.

    Never ever trust the terms or phrases of a Zionist Zombie. Spin is their game. They are the masters.

    Art

  262. Religion is an emotional experience, not an intellectual one. And what struck me most about Stephens and Rubin’s argument in this debate was how emotion laden their arguments were. This is more than a debating tactic to avoid some hard to overcome facts. This went beyond simple fact avoidance. They were arrogantly pronouncing what the facts are and what they are not. And they were calling out their enemies — anyone who will vote for Trump, i.e. anyone who does not go along with the facts as they pronounce them to be. Comparing the level of their arrogance with the humility with which Carney and Domenech conducted themselves in this debate was eye opening. The religious overtones were obvious if you were paying attention— not just the Carney-Rubin redemption-good/evil exchange, but also in Stephens mocking Jesus’s “forgive them for they know not what they do” passage in the new testament in his closing argument, as he was calling out Hillary Clinton’s basket of deplorables as an enemy who must be brought to heel. It’s worthless to question what is good and what is evil in this matter, but very worthwhile to question why Stephens and Rubin felt the necessity to bring the murky concepts of good and evil into this debate. If we were sitting at a poker table, I would conclude their is a lot of money in the pot and the elites have a very week hand to take it with. Time to call their bluff and send them packing.

  263. @Sam Shama

    Please read this revolting man’s work, particularly on World War II. You’ll see that my perspective is entirely justified.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  264. @Him Over There

    I suppose it’s beyond your comprehension that the undermining, corruption and meddling is what makes it much more likely that people will “turn NAZI?”

  265. @eggheadshadhisnumber

    God, I wish I could have been there, seeing two dozen fists and boot-tips bouncing the stupid bastard all over the pavement while he mewled for help. A salient moment in history, unrecorded.

    You need a faith that contains redemption and forgiveness. You’re spiritually sick. Try Sobran’s religion, it can help someone like you.

  266. Art says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    The Jews won. God, I wish I could have been there, seeing two dozen fists and boot-tips bouncing the stupid bastard all over the pavement while he mewled for help.

    Please read this revolting man’s work, particularly on World War II. You’ll see that my perspective is entirely justified.

    The wished for treatment of a man who does not believe The Six Million Lie.

    Hmm – a Zionist Zombie brainstem at work – see how righteous he is – see how sick he is – see his deep outright hate.

    p.s. See the results of the psychological terror and trauma that this Ziombie received when he was an innocent child. Make no mistake that is Jew culture speaking.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  267. Sam Shama says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Joe’s intriguing treatise on Shakespeare and the Oxfordian Theory was my first encounter with this man’s brilliant pen. I loved it, even if I did not swallow whole what I considered a canny mix of truth and fiction.

    I haven’t read what you’ve linked, and whilst familiar with it’s general premise my natural inclination mirrors Hitch’s, which is to say one needn’t be a Holocaust denier nor change one’s mind regarding it’s greater moral standing even if minutiae are re-examined, restated or even disputed. The greater damage to intellectual tradition was the bludgeon which Buckley applied, defenestrating Joe from the NR. The rest of his life was deeply tragic. The vicissitude of ill fortune treats every soul unalike; deplorable reason for Joe’s critics to gloat over.

    Take it from Joe on post-constitutional America and the education of the generations:

    The modern American educational system no longer teaches us the political language of our ancestors. In fact our schooling helps widen the gulf of time between our ancestors and ourselves, because much of what we are taught in the name of civics, political science, or American history is really modern liberal propaganda. Sometimes this is deliberate. Worse yet, sometimes it isn’t. Our ancestral voices have come to sound alien to us, and therefore our own moral and political language is impoverished. It’s as if the people of England could no longer understand Shakespeare, or Germans couldn’t comprehend Mozart and Beethoven.

    So to most Americans, even those who feel oppressed by what they call big government, it must sound strange to hear it said, in the past tense, that tyranny “came” to America. After all, we have a constitution, don’t we? We’ve abolished slavery and segregation. We won two world wars and the Cold War. We still congratulate ourselves before every ballgame on being the Land of the Free. And we aren’t ruled by some fanatic with a funny mustache who likes big parades with thousands of soldiers goose-stepping past huge pictures of himself.

    • Replies: @iffen
  268. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    which is to say one needn’t be a Holocaust denier nor change one’s mind regarding it’s greater moral standing even if minutiae are re-examined, restated or even disputed.

    This is not really the point Sam. This is the wedge. Obviously if one says that only 5 million died as opposed to 6 million, that is a factual matter and should be open to fact finding and discussion. They don’t stop there though. It degenerates, step by step, into it didn’t happen at all.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  269. De Gaulle says:

    Such words about people and history. Do you not understand that Jews are not unified? There are what you call good Jews and what you call bad Jews. They are not similar. Jews have a problem in confrontation of the differences. Some Jews want good works to heal the world and to honor G_d. Other Jews look at the nations and seek power and money. Many families including Jewish families have dishonorable people. Those people do not have a conscience and do bad acts on earth. They do not look at retribution. That behavior brings shame to humanity.

  270. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Iffen,
    No one is actually stopping them from re-investigations now, are they? Shouldn’t we have greater trust in our intellectual traditions and historical institutions?

    I’ll admit I am conflicted.

    • Replies: @iffen
  271. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    No one is actually stopping them from re-investigations now, are they?

    Not here in the good Ole USA, but I understand that is not true for some European countries.

    Shouldn’t we have greater trust in our intellectual traditions and historical institutions?

    I do, but that is not what they want. They want their opinions and propaganda presented alongside the consensus history.

    It is like ID people wanting equal time in biology class, the Luddite society equal time in Computer 101, the flat earth people getting equal time in geography class, etc.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  272. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [It is like ID people wanting equal time in biology class, the Luddite society equal time in Computer 101, the flat earth people getting equal time in geography class, etc.]

    LOL. I’ll use that one

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  273. @Sam Shama

    Why? It’s a poor example, itself being a version of the teleological argument with a provenance at least as old as the Timaeus. It’s hardly a backwoods snakehandler’s doctrine, and I believe is used to counter the manner in which evolution is taught – that is, as a figleaf to disguise the teaching of materialist atheist philosophy as “scientific.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  274. Art says:
    @iffen

    which is to say one needn’t be a Holocaust denier nor change one’s mind regarding it’s greater moral standing even if minutiae are re-examined, restated or even disputed.

    This is not really the point Sam. This is the wedge. Obviously if one says that only 5 million died as opposed to 6 million, that is a factual matter and should be open to fact finding and discussion. They don’t stop there though. It degenerates, step by step, into it didn’t happen at all.

    Oh my – two Little Ziombies wringing their hands over the loss of The Six Million Lie.

    Their concern is that their false ill-gotten moral edge will be lost – when they should be worried about the coming moral bill for all the evil that the big lie has produced.

    Clearly the Ziombie culture thinks about the benefits of moral coercion – not about right and wrong.

    (So sad – no freedom – their lives corralled into evil coercive thoughts from an early innocent age. So sad their lives wasted fighting a war put on them by the Big Ziombies.)

    Art

  275. Sam Shama says:
    @Alec Leamas

    True, Plato residing somewhere in the recesses of my memory I thought it rather clever as it is strung together for matters and subjects closer to our times.

    figleaf to disguise ..”materialist atheist philosophy as :”scientific”

    Do you then question Evolution? And what’s wrong with wanting money?

  276. iffen says:
    @Alec Leamas

    a figleaf to disguise the teaching of materialist atheist philosophy

    This atheist is a nudist.

  277. If there’s anything “Iffen” and “Sam Shama” should take away from this, it’s that Holocaust deniers are not arguing in good faith. Sobran is a perfect example of this, the man honestly believed Jews were a global threat to Christianity and Western civilization. This is explicit in his writings on the subject. Neither Israel’s founding or neoconservative influence compelled Joe to criticize these ethnic foes, he makes accusations that stretch back countless centuries.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
    , @vinteuil
  278. Sam Shama says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Well I concede I’ve encountered one or two in the comments sections – their accusations do indeed stretch millennia. I shall read the links you’ve provided. Thanks.

    • Replies: @iffen
  279. vinteuil says:

    E., you dare not for shame speak of “good faith.” You throw around bad faith accusations of anti-semitism at the drop of a hat.

    True story:

    Some years ago, I put up a blog post comparing the media’s treatment of George Zimmerman to Nazi propaganda. I illustrated this post with an old anti-semitic cartoon from Der Stürmer, which I compared to a recent representation of Zimmerman as a KKKlansman. I wrote that the former was “very slightly less evil” than the latter.

    Because the websites where I found the pics didn’t allow hotlinking, I copied and pasted them to my Flickr account, and linked from there.

    Fast-forward to the present day: after I very mildly disagreed with you about something or other on another comment thread here, you went a-cyber-stalking me, came across my Flickr account, saw the cartoon from Der Stürmer, and pretty much lost it.

    You have now, in two different comment threads, posted my real name, my photo, my current place of work, and other identifying information, along with a lot of shrill vituperation concerning my penurious living circumstances and the failure of my academic career.

    You seems strangely preoccupied with my poor little cat Juno. You’ve mentioned her twice. I guess you don’t like cats?

    On top of all that, you have repeatedly accused me – solely on the basis of that Flickr pic – of anti-semitism, and of blaming “the jews” for the vicissitudes of my career (such as it is).

    You’re clearly nuts. You’re also prima facie guilty of libel.

  280. iffen says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I am continuing to read Sobran’s articles, and it seems to me that he was not a Holocaust denier, but rather an enabler.

    Recently I made the statement here that a Holocaust denier was an anti-Semite without qualification. I later retracted that.

    Right now it seems to me that a Holocaust denier would be stupid or ignorant or both.

    A third possibility that I see is someone who has convinced himself that the “Jewish problem” is an existential threat and that one way to combat this problem is to deny legitimacy to the Holocaust because he sees widespread acceptance of the Holocaust as giving a powerful lever to Jews. That person would put himself in the denial camp, but he would not be a “true believer” in the denial, rather it is political tactic used to combat and weaken Jewish influence.

    Most of the deniers here seem to be in persuasion mode. I don’t believe we could categorical say that all operate in bad faith.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @FKA Max
  281. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    When I met Mark, many years ago, I expected to meet a raving Jew-hating fanatic, such being the generic reputation of “Holocaust deniers.” I was immediately and subsequently impressed to find that he was just the opposite: a mild-mannered, good-humored, witty, scholarly man who habitually spoke with restraint and measure, even about enemies who would love to see him dead. The same is true of other members of the Institute. In my many years of acquaintance with them, I have never heard any of them say anything that would strike an unprejudiced listener as unreasonable or bigoted.

    Sam, this quote is from the 1st link, Fear of Jews.

    This is a very peculiar passage. I see similar ones from time to time. The writer puts a hugh effort into describing the individuals as a bunch of Alphonse and Gaston milquetoasts. I’ve seen people like Jared Taylor so described.

    Do you suppose these writers are copying each other or is there an anti-Protocols style manual somewhere and we don’t have access to a copy?

  282. vinteuil says:
    @Svigor

    “Your hatred is like a cultural Medal of Honor.”

    Indeed.

  283. Marcus says:
    @5371

    Coincidentally, I’m thinking about reading “the Ordeal of Civility” soon

  284. vinteuil says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    E., you dare not for shame speak of “good faith.” You throw around bad faith accusations of anti-semitism at the drop of a hat.

    True story:

    Some years ago, I put up a blog post comparing the media’s treatment of George Zimmerman to Nazi propaganda. I illustrated this post with an old anti-semitic cartoon from Der Stürmer, which I compared to a recent representation of Zimmerman as a KKKlansman. I wrote that the former was “very slightly less evil” than the latter.

    Because the websites where I found the pics didn’t allow hotlinking, I copied and pasted them to my Flickr account, and linked from there.

    Fast-forward to the present day: after I very mildly disagreed with you about something or other on another comment thread here, you went a-cyber-stalking me, came across my Flickr account, saw the cartoon from Der Stürmer, and pretty much lost it.

    You have now, in two different comment threads, posted my real name, my photo, my current place of work, and other identifying information, along with a lot of shrill vituperation concerning my penurious living circumstances and the failure of my academic career.

    You seems strangely preoccupied with my poor little cat Juno. You’ve mentioned her twice. I guess you don’t like cats?

    On top of all that, you have repeatedly accused me – solely on the basis of that Flickr pic – of anti-semitism, and of blaming “the jews” for the vicissitudes of my career (such as it is).

    You’re clearly nuts. You’re also prima facie guilty of libel.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
  285. Art says:
    @iffen

    That person would put himself in the denial camp, but he would not be a “true believer” in the denial, rather it is political tactic used to combat and weaken Jewish influence.

    This poor Ziombie is truly obsessed with the NUMBER – denier, non-denier, enabler, persuasion mode. The Six Million Lie is more important than the regrettable Jew deaths in WWII. Of course the lie is used by the Ziombies to justify a greater number of deaths in the ME.

    We must surmise that if The Six Million Lie were to be exposed, they think that something very bad would happen.

    Art

    p.s. It is so important to the Jew Ziombies that they must put people in jail over it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Anonymous Smith
  286. iffen says:
    @Art

    It is so important to the Jew Ziombies that they must put people in jail over it.

    Don’t encourage me to change my opposition to hate speech laws, Arts.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  287. FKA Max says:
    @iffen

    ”Holocaust denier” really is a misnomer for most ”alternative/dissident” Holocaust researchers I have come across, who should more accurately be described as ”Holocaust revisionists.”

    It is a similar distinction as should be made between the terms ”anti-Semite” and ”counter-Semite,” which I tried to bring attention to with my first comment on this thread, and which triggered a Jospeh Sobran hate-fest courtesy of commenter eggheadshadhisnumber : http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/#comment-1584909

    Although I strongly disagree with eggheadshadhisnumber and his appalling behavior and speech, I think his hate towards Joseph Sobran facilitated an important and needed discussion and debate on several important topics. He functions in a similar role as Goethe’s Mephistopheles.

    »Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft, die stets das Böse will und stets das Gute schafft.«
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: Faust – Der Tragödie erster Teil, 1808

    http://www.phraseo.de/phrase/ich-bin-ein-teil-von-jener-kraft/

    Yes, there are real ”anti-Semites” and real ”Holocaust deniers” out there, but the vast majority of people skeptical and critical of Jews and the official Holocaust narrative/history do not fall into these two extreme categories.

    I would call myself a ”counter-Semite” and a ”Holocaust revisionist,” and I am actually battling real ”anti-Semites” and ”Holocaust deniers,” because their attitudes towards and narratives about Jews are counter-productive and harmful to my cause and mission of defending European/Western/White Civilization.

    As Professor Kevin MacDonald recently wrote:

    At the same time, I am often dismayed by how some people associated with the Alt Right express their views on Jewish issues. I have often thought that anyone who hasn’t read a lot in the area and has an IQ of less than 120 should not be allowed to discuss Jewish issues in public.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/09/the-alt-right-and-the-jews/

    The most important and fundamental consequence and concern about denying ”Holocaust deniers and revisionists” their free speech and freedom is addressed by Mark Steyn in the following video (his remarks on Holocaust denialism start at 59 min. into the video):

    Mark Steyn speaks at “The Danish Muhammad cartoon crisis in retrospect” conference

    Ron Unz and the late Christopher Hitchens for example, both of whom have Jewish ancestry, are two of the most important and staunchest defenders of Western values and civilization, that I am aware of.

    I am extremely grateful to these two truly patriotic gentlemen for defending my/our people and my/our culture.

    Christopher Hitchens on Holocaust Denial, Religion and Free Speech 1/2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIU96N7ciXM

    There a things I strongly disagree on with Joseph Sobran for example, and which would make me an ” anti-, really a counter-Catholic/Papist” in the eyes of the Catholic League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_League_(U.S.) , namely my pro-Planned Parenthood stance, etc., which I share with Aldous Huxley:

    WALLACE: Well then, ironically enough one of the greatest forces against communism in the world, the Catholic Church, according to your thesis would seem to be pushing us directly into the hands of the communists because they are against birth control.

    HUXLEY: Well, I think this strange paradox probably is true. There is, er…, it’s an extraordinary situation actually. I mean, one has to look at it, of course, from a biological point of view: the whole essence of biological life on earth is a question of balance and what we’ve done is to practice death control in the most intensive manner without balancing this with birth control at the other end. Consequently, the birth rates remain as high as they were and death rates have fallen substantially. (COUGHS)

    http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/huxley_aldous_t.html

    Life is about balance, and if we veer off the path of balance into extremist positions/territory, be that philo-semitism (The Chosen People who can do no wrong) or anti-antisemitism (The Satanic People who are the root of all evil), we are not in harmony with Nature/Truth and the world around us, and therefore cannot effect positive, evolutionary change and progress in the world.

    • Replies: @iffen
  288. iffen says:
    @FKA Max

    iffen says:     
    September 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm GMT
    @(((Owen)))
    and Holocaust revivalists
    I was going to comment and ask whether you meant revisionists rather than revivalists.
    After a bit more thought, I decided that you must be much smarter than me to have figured out that there is really no difference between the two.

    Life is about balance, and if we veer off the path of balance

    Moderation in all things, save moderation, then it to the extreme.

    F*** harmony.

    • Replies: @Art
  289. @Art

    Rather it sounds like a troll speaking.

  290. Art says:
    @iffen

    Moderation in all things, save moderation, then it to the extreme.

    F*** harmony.

    Iffen,

    I agree – there is only one thing that truly matters and that is the truth.

    “The truth will set you free” – Jesus Christ

    That is why your Six Million Lie is such a burden to you – that is why you have to coerce and harass people. Don’t you see? You are permanently stuck in a lie.

    You are not free – poor Little Ziombie – your friend Mr. Shama was trying to get you to back off – but you can not – so sorry.

    Art

    • Replies: @iffen
  291. iffen says:
    @Art

    The Truth will set you free, from many friends – iffen

    • Replies: @Art
  292. @vinteuil

    Stephan Burton, your crassness never fails to amaze. Unlike your career. I am a benevolent soul, so there will be no need to make mention of the worthless papers you’ve published or the endless lows to which you have sunk in search of money. That is not my role. Nor shall I invoke any idiocies Stephan has penned or acts of academic misconduct he has committed. Shame and remorse may afflict other men, those individuals lack the brazen perversion that drives Stephan to debauch himself and his profession. Stephan has spent 51 years destroying the opportunities others, unaware of this reprobate’s reputation, have offered him. And now? Slumming it up in Rockhurst? He does the usual. He blames the Jews. Stephan blames them for throwing him out of university after university, for disregarding the “research” he’s published, for dumping Stephan’s carcass in a shallow grave while all the other NIH interns went on to better and brighter careers. That’s why Stephan Burton hates the Jews. Who else would he blame for finding Aristotle and Spinoza “notoriously difficult” after getting a philosophy doctorate from *cheap diploma-mill* UMich?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  293. @Art

    Hey, Art!

    I’ve been making a mental list of all the Jews that frequent this site. Here’s what I’ve got so far…

    Sam a Scama, iffen, egghead, FKA max, and him over there…is that small list correct? Can you think of any others that should be added? That way I can automatically skip their posts as I scan down the threads.

    The Jews no longer have a voice in my world…the only exceptions I make are Ron Unz, and Gilad Aztmon. And both of them I hear only through an already closed door. I buy absolutely nothing from Jews, either…or from any corporation that supports Israel, or any Jewish causes. If I encounter an article written by a Jew on the interweb I leave a nasty reply and hit the back button…if I come across a name that’s a bit off, I check it using search terms like XXX Jewish, or rabbi XXX, or XXX bar mitzvah, or XXX name change. If nothing comes up I read the article…if I get a hit, I scroll down to see if I can leave a nasty comment, then leave the page.

    If you don’t mind me asking, Art, why do you argue with them? It seems kinda pointless to me…I guess if it makes you happy doing it, more power to ya!

    • Replies: @Art
  294. Harassment and threats from anti-Semites is something no Jew should face, under any and all circumstances.

  295. Art says:
    @Anonymous Smith

    If you don’t mind me asking, Art, why do you argue with them? It seems kinda pointless to me.

    Anonymous Smith,

    I do it because, one by one the Jews are doing a 1984 on all democratic governments. Their bankers make bad loans to the politicians – the politicians dole out the money to their friends – and later “the people” are put into a fiscal straight jacket to repay the loans. The elite Gentiles in these countries all sell out their homeland for easy money. It requires many home grown Little Jews to pull this theft off.

    I remind the Little Jews of their role in this Big Jew evil.

    Does it do any good – time will tell.

    Art

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  296. Art says:
    @iffen

    The Truth will set you free, from many friends – iffen

    iffen,

    What are you saying? Are you saying “that I am the liar” – Really!

    Israeli Nuke-Washing on the World Stage

    By Richard Silverstein | Tikun Olam | September 28, 2016

    There are oh so many varieties of Zio-washing: pink-washing, green-washing, Black-washing, even Muslim-washing. Now, there’s another to add to the treasury of hasbara promoted by Israel to the world: nuke-washing. I wrote about a similar domestic effort at cleansing Israel’s nuclear warheads of the stench of potential mass murder.

    The IAEA celebrated its 60th anniversary in Vienna, its headquarters, recently. And Israel was there with its very own exhibit featuring the innovations and contributions which Israel’s nuclear program has bestowed on humanity. No mention, of course, of Israel’s 200 nuclear weapons and the legacy that they’ve given the world. No mention, of course, that Israel has refused to join the only international agreement limiting the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the NPT. No mention of the fact that Israel has torpedoed a U.S. and Arab effort to hold a regional conference leading to declaring the Mideast a nuclear-free zone.

    More:

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/israeli-nuke-washing-on-the-world-stage/

    Art

  297. Ron Unz says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think you got it right about the provocateurs. comment #263

    It cannot possibly be anything else.

    Well, someone pointed me to this thread and the ferociously nasty battle that’s been raging here, so I glanced through it…

    Actually, I tend to doubt that the “egghead” fellow is some sort of provocateur. I’d think he’s exactly what he seems to be, namely one of those fanatic Jewish-activist types that hangs around this website, though I don’t think I’ve previously seen one whose obvious mental illness was so severe.

    Apparently, he’s been “doxxing”—revealing the true identity of—some personal enemy of his here, also a fanatic rightwing extremist, but of a different ideological hue.

    What makes this situation more than a little amusing to me is that the stupid “egghead” fellow recently used different handles on several occasions, requiring me to fix them. Based on those other handles, I think I have some pretty reasonable clues as to his own real life identity. Since that possible individual also supposedly happens to be a fanatic Jewish-activist type, while being (from what I’ve vaguely heard) notoriously delusional and coping with severe mental illness, the match is probably too close to be coincidental.

    I must say that my small website certainly attracts a remarkably wide diversity of lunatics and extremists…

  298. iffen says:
    @Ron Unz

    I must say that my small website certainly attracts a remarkably wide diversity of lunatics and extremists…

    Don’t worry, I feel certain that it’s not connected to you personally. :)

  299. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Oh, you’ve got Art out free from gaol again? Yes in his case I do think hate speech laws ought to apply.

    • Replies: @iffen
  300. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    I must say that my small website certainly attracts a remarkably wide diversity of lunatics and extremists…

    If we didn’t know better the paranoid among us might think it was some kind of Fed honey pot.

    [MORE]

    To be clear, that was an attempt at a joke.

    Thanks again for a great site!

    P.S. The MORE tag is not playing nice with either “Preview Comment” or the initial display with the edit countdown. Not sure if this is pilot error or a problem. Edit: odd, this time it worked on initial display–perhaps because the first time I cut and pasted the MORE tag from elsewhere? Another edit: and now it doesn’t work–perhaps the problem is only when I use the edit link rather than the Reply button?

  301. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Oh, you’ve got Art out free from gaol again?

    No, he’s on CTI permanently. I show his comment when he responds to my comment or sometimes other commenters that I know such as yourself.

    Several commenters like SC and Robin are on and off the list.

    Consider that quote from Sobran that I have in # 285.

    That is a motif that I see all the time and I want your opinion and want to know if you recognize it from your readings.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  302. @Ron Unz

    Ron, I think you’re being a bit unfair here. My politics contain no great love for Israel and it has never been a habit of mine to ruminate on “Jewish affairs”. The ire directed at Stephan Burton, alias “vinteuil”, was mostly due to his picking fights with you and Linh Dinh. Nobody is calling for the censure of 9/11 conspiracy theorists or Holocaust deniers on this site, only that they stop flooding each foreign policy article so frequently. You are certainly an interesting man; the historical and demographic research done here is wonderful, but this incorrigible tendency to tilt at windmills has always done you more harm than good.

  303. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    I checked his saved comments where some of his links provided clues, including his upbringing and education. He has evidently made another commenter a subject of his close scrutiny and wrath, revelling at the difficulties of his opponent’s personal circumstances. Oddly, his ‘opponent’ did not actually so much challenge him as had an older post incorrectly interpreted by Egg!

    I agree with you that more than a handful of variously-lunar-touched characters seem to reside in these premises and they run the entire range from hardcore Sturmabteilung to the Egghead variety of Jewish nuts.

    I think you know best how to handle them.

  304. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    This is a very peculiar passage. I see similar ones from time to time. The writer puts a hugh effort into describing the individuals as a bunch of Alphonse and Gaston milquetoasts. I’ve seen people like Jared Taylor so described.

    Quite right. But let’s remember that some of the more effective bigots and haters are not openly virulent. I’ve often heard David Duke described as a soft-spoken sort [I haven't the foggiest what he is really like in person] , not to mention Reichsminister für Volksaufklärung Goebbels, who was apparently a retiring bookish chap.

    All that said, my impression of Sobran is that of an exceptionally gifted writer, the flaws he had been accused of never anything that which may not be suggested of us all: conflict marks man, beware the ones which claim a purity of soul.

  305. Art says:
    @iffen

    Iffen and Mr. Shama,

    Maybe I’ll see you Little Ziombies at the Big Ziombie Shimon Peres funeral – here at the top floor of Hasbara Central there is a huge celebration. The Master of Deception is receiving a boisterous send off to hell.

    What a guy – what a deceiver – he got the Nobel Peace Prize all the while Israel was stealing Palestine. Man – does it get any better than that?

    Art

    p.s. If you hasbara basement dwellers should see me – make NO eye contact – you know that these people up here are really touchy about class.

  306. @Sam Shama

    Sam, you are arguing against a fictional position held by nonexistent persons. Sobran, whatever his other faults, learned to write well. I am not disputing this. I am disputing Sobran’s interpretation of history, which we can both agree was ultimately wrong-headed. Communism has never been a threat to Western civilization anymore than Anarchism was in the late 19th century. Clinton was not “white trash”, Ron Paul lacked both “virtue” and “honor”, in addition to “wisdom”. The fact that Sobran convinced himself of such nonsense speaks volumes regarding his own intelligence and character. Incidentally, this strange pleasure some people get from attacking Ivy League institutions and their attendees has always puzzled me, perhaps it was Joe’s way of nursing one insecurity or another. At any rate, David P. Goldman and H.L. Mencken have managed to provide superior critiques of the West than Snaggletooth Sobran.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Sam J.
  307. geokat62 says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Clinton was not “white trash”, Ron Paul lacked both “virtue” and “honor”, in addition to “wisdom”.

    It’s obvious from this post, you’re an excellent judge of characters!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  308. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Pardon the typo… that should be “character,” not “characters.”

    • Replies: @Ivy
  309. Sam Shama says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    I am disputing Sobran’s interpretation of history, which we can both agree was ultimately wrong-headed. Communism has never been a threat to Western civilization anymore than Anarchism was in the late 19th century.

    On this we are in agreement.

    Let Sobran RIP. Also if I may suggest please consider not attacking your personal opponents with “doxxing” [New term for me]

    On the Ivy League matter, yes it happens to be rather common, unremarkable and childish.

  310. Ivy says:
    @geokat62

    Oh, they are characters all right.

  311. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    It is not that I think the description is not accurate, and of course they don’t have to be skinheads with swastika and 88 tattoos everywhere. I guess that if I am unable to adequately explain what is peculiar about the passage, it suggests that I am reading something into it that is not there. The implication, the meaning, seems to be that these are mild-mannered scholarly types that cannot possibly be evil Nazis. So much effort is put into the description. Why not just one sentence? “Mark is a scholarly type that reminded me of my history professor.” Why the big straw-man, bogeyman buildup then the extended description of librarian types?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  312. vinteuil says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    You have repeatedly posted my name, my picture, my current place of work, and other identifying information about me.

    You have repeatedly made accusations against me that are (1) personally and professionally damaging, and (2) demonstrably false.

    Since I am not a public figure, it is not even necessary for me to prove actual malice. But your malice towards me could hardly be more obvious.

    This is a clear-cut case of libel.

    On advice of counsel, I have saved the complete contents of this and the other thread.

  313. vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz: My position on pretty much everything under the sun is virtually indistinguishable from that of Steve Sailer. Do you also consider him “a fanatic rightwing extremist?”

  314. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    You know upon reflection I think you’ve hit upon something. I never gave that bit any thought, now I believe it to be the case that the writer is attempting to impress and influence the reader’s subconscious mind. I see your point.

    You’ve got a deeper understanding of human nature – I said so in the past :-)

  315. Art says:
    @iffen

    The implication, the meaning, seems to be that these are mild-mannered scholarly types that cannot possibly be evil Nazis. So much effort is put into the description. Why not just one sentence? “Mark is a scholarly type that reminded me of my history professor.” Why the big straw-man, bogeyman buildup then the extended description of librarian types?

    I say iffen – you have ferreted it out! Your penetrating powers of reason are top notch!

    The reason the author used those nice works is because he wanted to trick us – he was really a Nazi propagandist. They were all Nazis – dreaded 88’s.

    These vile men were on a conspiratorial mission to deny the JEWs their pseudo crown of thorns.

    Thank you – thank you – thank you — What a stupendous intellectual achievement.

    Yours – Art

  316. iffen says:

    – he was really a Nazi propagandist. They were all Nazis – dreaded 88’s.

    Yes, the more of his material that I read, the clearer it becomes that he was one of you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Art
  317. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Yes, the more of his material that I read, the clearer it becomes that he was one of you.

    What’s your definition of “you”?

    • Replies: @iffen
  318. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    What’s your definition of “you”?

    88s, plus assorted fellow travelers and enablers. :-O

    • Replies: @geokat62
  319. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    88s, plus assorted fellow travelers and enablers. :-O

    Of course. But be sure to rigorously administer the F- test, we wouldn’t what to end up with any false-positives, now, would we?

  320. Randal says:

    Surely the anti-anti-Semite witchfinders have jumped the shark with this one;

    Momentum vice-chair ‘suspended by Labour’ amid anti-Semitism row

    This woman, according to the BBC story (I haven’t bothered to research further) is jewish and her partner is jewish, and she’s a political lefty of the sjw anti-racist type. In my experience, people of that political type who are not muslim in background, who are accused of anti-Semitism, are inevitably only anti-Israel and are accused by Israeli partisans and political rivals for political advantage. They just aren’t ever personally anti-semitic in any honest sense of the word related to systematically hating jews. This kind of deliberately false accusation is commonplace in the UK these days.

    She is reportedly being accused of “antisemitism” merely for:

    saying at an anti-Semitism training event: “I came here… with an open mind and I was seeking information and I still haven’t heard a definition of anti-Semitism that I can work with”. She also questioned why Holocaust Memorial Day was not more wide ranging.

    Is there no limit to the verboten opinions now to be classed as “anti-Semitism”? Is it really forbidden even to question particular definitions of anti-semitism, and to suggest that other holocausts should also be commemorated? I mean, people are perfectly entitled to argue the contrary, that no, the Holocaust ought to be uniquely venerated as it is in our current culture, and no doubt many jewish people will do so, for entirely understandable reasons. But by what damned right do they declare it forbidden even to disagree with them, on pain of condemnation for breaching a societal taboo and removal from position?

    Only the right of all misused power, that we fail to collectively stand against them. The same right, remember, that stood behind all past lawful injustices.

    The article also states that she:

    was previously suspended by the Labour Party over comments made on social media in which she claimed that “many Jews (my ancestors too) were the chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade” but was re-admitted following an investigation.

    The anti-antisemite witchfinders are certainly descending beyond absurdity into real dishonest evil. In the end they will face the consequences in a backlash, because if “antisemitism” includes these kinds of perfectly legitimate political positions, then by definition anti-Semitism is not necessarily a bad thing, and the more absurd the accusations become, the more people will come to recognise that.

    And entertaining as it surely is to see sjw types like this woman and Ken Livingstone (another lefty politician victim of similarly trumped up charges of anti-Semitism), who have absolutely beyond any doubt whatsoever used similar dishonest tactics in the past against “racists”, now hoist on their own petards, nevertheless it’s not something that can be lightly condoned. Witchfinders must be opposed, or the harm they do spreads inexorably.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  321. Randal says:
    @Ron Unz

    I must say that my small website certainly attracts a remarkably wide diversity of lunatics and extremists…

    Worth bearing in mind that many would describe some of your columnists, and even yourself, as falling into one or both of those categories (falsely, imo, of course).

    However, it is the inevitable fate of any location that adheres to free speech principles in a society that does not, to attract those who are banned from expressing their opinions elsewhere, or harassed and censored for doing so. And that includes dissidents, extremists and lunatics all (often in the same person). And then it attracts those self-appointed witch-finder bullyboys, like your “egghead” character, who seek to persecute them even here.

    And the societies of the US sphere are not places that tolerate free political speech. Particular political opinions are systematically excluded from the public square (and libertarians hiding behind the “private property” argument are just deluding themselves).

  322. geokat62 says:
    @Randal

    The anti-antisemite witchfinders are certainly descending beyond absurdity into real dishonest evil. In the end they will face the consequences in a backlash, because if “antisemitism” includes these kinds of perfectly legitimate political positions, then by definition anti-Semitism is not necessarily a bad thing, and the more absurd the accusations become, the more people will come to recognise that…

    Witchfinders must be opposed, or the harm they do spreads inexorably.

    Indeed, we should be on the lookout for anti-antisemite witchfinders. But we shouldn’t disregard the assorted fellow travelers and enablers, right iffen?-O

  323. ATBOTL says:

    Pretty strong stuff from the Derb here. Has there been any reaction to this piece? I couldn’t find any. Seems like something that could get a big backlash from the neocons and NRO cucks, but they probably don’t want more people to read it.

  324. Hehe…WTF is an 88? WTF does that mean?

  325. Art says:
    @iffen

    (Art sarcasm) “he was really a Nazi propagandist. They were all Nazis – dreaded 88’s.”

    Iffen: Yes, the more of his material that I read, the clearer it becomes that he was one of you.

    Say iffen,

    Fifty five million died in WWII – hundreds of millions lost loved ones in that war.

    In your eager childish hate screech – you have called one of them a Nazi – shame shame!

    Art

  326. @random observer

    well, it’s tragedy that you have become hardened. perhaps, you will have a life-changing experience that will forestall a march toward hatred.

    • Replies: @iffen
  327. iffen says:
    @Lawrence Fitton

    Reality is just banging hard against his forehead. Liberal democracy was the best thing to come along since sliced white bread. Problem is, it is just too heavy of a lift for common folk to keep it going. When Taki cashes out that will be the absolute end of noblesse oblige.

  328. Sam J. says:
    @Art

    I think you’re correct Art. They jab us with a million tiny pinpricks constantly. We should do the same to them. I also recommend you add one of their heinous crimes to each little pinprick you pay them back with.

  329. Sam J. says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    “…Communism has never been a threat to Western civilization…”

    I’ve never heard such nonsense in my entire life. They had 30,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us and said they would bury us.

  330. No_0ne says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    That’s quite a pathetic display of hate-filled semitism there.

  331. No_0ne says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Jewish influence re crucial matters we’re talking about (immigration inundation, vilification of Euro-Christian civilization, adulation of 3rd worlders & Islam, attack on national identity & integrity, ..), in most West European countries is marginal.”

    The US had a sane immigration policy from 1924-1965. Name a NON-Jewish group that lobbied for loosening the immigration laws during that time.

  332. […] even longtime Jew-appeaser John Derbyshire had a lapse in career-conservative discipline in his Goebbels-moment fighting back against one of her many public […]

  333. I never cease to be amused at how so many Jews treat the prospect of the election of a Republican, especially a conservative Republican, as a pogrom in the making.

  334. Randal says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam I have taken the liberty of copying your impression of robbersdog to Alison Chabloz, who is the person currently being charged with a crime by robbersdog and his lobby collaborators for uploading a song to the internet.

    These are public comment forums, but it still seems a basic courtesy to let you know when your online handle is used :-)

    I did not mean to imply any support by you of Alison’s political positions, which I imagine you might well find deeply offensive.

    Here

  335. […] saw that on Sailer’s blog over the weekend, but it is hardly unique example of the genre. John Derbyshire pointed out that a segment of the ruling class has gone around the bend with regards to their paranoia over the […]

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