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DACA, DACA, DACA. Now, when I see or hear that acronym DACA, I just start to seethe.

DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] should have been scotched with a forked stick, like a snake on your patio, eight months ago, as Donald Trump promised would be done. Instead we’re stuck with the damn thing apparently for ever, the Main Stream Media periodically whipping up their progressive followers into frenzies of compassion over picturesque little kiddies being ripped from the arms of their wailing mothers, hustled into cattle wagons, and shipped off to starvation and misery in Mexico.

  • First off, as I’ve pointed out before, DACA recipients have a median age somewhere in the high twenties, and a highest age—given the reliability of public record-keeping in rural Central America—very likely in the mid forties. The way we’re going, those older recipients will be drawing Social Security before we’ve heard the last of DACA.
  • Second, there’s no danger of starvation. Mexico was ranked ninth fattest country in the world in a report last year. Per capita GDP in Mexico is $19,000: not fantastic, but above the middle of world rankings, better than Brazil or China.
  • Third, moving from one country to another is no hardship. I myself have done it half a dozen times. It’s a nuisance, fussing with visas and moving companies; but it’s also interesting and stimulating, settling in to a new environment. Or, in the case of those forty-something DACA recipients, a not-very-new environment.
  • Fourth, the propaganda about breaking up families is just that—propaganda, of the shallowest and emptiest kind. Of the many, many people I know who favor enforcing the laws against illegal aliens, not one has any objection to families going back home together. Since Mom and Dad are mostly illegal too, it is in fact what the law requires.

Well, what’s new this week is that President Trump had dinner Wednesday with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. They came to some kind of agreement, or semi-agreement, that there’d be a move towards amnesty for the DACA people in return for something or other on border security.

We don’t know much more than that. Schumer and Pelosi said the something-or-other specifically excluded any funding for a border wall; but the White House Press Secretary disagreed and the President himself was incoherent.

Who knows? The main takeaway is that there seems likely to be another push to give Amnesty to illegal aliens.

Reaction among National Conservatives ranged from clutching at straws to blind fury. Here at VDARE.com we are mainly straw-clutchers, having weathered the three previous pushes for amnesty—in 2004, 2006-7 and 2013—when the occupant of the White House was himself pushing much harder than Trump is likely to.

And when you can peer through the murky, contradictory fog of Trump’s spoken (or tweeted) statements, there’s a core of awareness there of central issues relating to the National Question that you just don’t see elsewhere in our senior national leadership.

This came out Friday morning, when he tweeted out of the blue that, tweet: “CHAIN MIGRATION cannot be allowed to be part of any legislation on Immigration!”

The media folk handled that as if it were written in ancient Sumerian. Ch-a-i-n mi-gra-tion? What is this Ch-a-i-n mi-gra-tion?

The Yahoo news service had had to call in Heidi Beirich [Email her] of the Southern Poverty Law Center, an expert on the arcane jargon of hate-filled haters. Chain migration, Heidi explained, was Hatespeech for bringing “undesirables” to the U.S.A.[ Trump abruptly attacks ‘chain migration,’ a term that worries immigration advocates, by Michael Walsh, Yahoo News, September 15, 2017]

Meanwhile we National Conservatives were exulting that, hey, we have a President who understands what a huge negative chain migration is for the nation’s demographic future!

As veterans of those immigration wars, we are not much disturbed that Trump is dealing with the Democratic congressional leadership. On our issues, Republican Party congressional leaders are well-nigh indistinguishable from their Democratic counterparts.

Whether it’s better, on matters of immigration, to deal with Schumer and Pelosi or with McConnell and Ryan, brings to mind Dr. Johnson’s reply when someone asked him which of two mediocre poets he thought was better: “Sir, there is no settling the point of precedency between a louse and a flea.”

That said, I return to my original point that it’s all been so unnecessary. Why is DACA still in the headlines? It should have been a fading memory by now.

This has been a failure on Trump’s part, there’s no way to deny that.

All that was necessary was to let the law take its course. If Trump couldn’t bring himself to rescind by Executive Order what Obama had imposed by executive order, he just had to let the legal case by state Attorneys General, challenging the constitutionality of DACA, proceed.

Even if, by a fluke, SCOTUS decided DACA is constitutional, Trump could still rescind it. It’s still just an Executive Order, not a law.

That’s what generates so much of the anger, certainly in the precincts of my desk: the neglect of the law in favor of compromising and deal-making. As one of Steve Sailer’s commenters observed: We’re supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of deals.

Deal-making is of course a normal and necessary part of our politics. A lot of us voted for Trump in the hope that this would be a particular strength of his administration. That hope has lost considerable luster this week.

Setting that aside, though, what about the law? What about the people’s laws, passed by the people’s representatives in solemn conclave, when all the deal-making’s been done? Why aren’t those laws enforced—fairly and humanely, but firmly?

The Romans had a phrase that someone should embroider on a couch cushion and send to the White House as a gift: Fiat justitia ruat cælum— “Let justice be done though the heavens fall.”

Dealing, equivocating, and compromising are all very well, and certainly have their place in politics. A nation of laws, though, should enforce its laws, or change them by properly constitutional procedures. Sometimes enforcing the laws will have undesirable political consequences, but it should be done regardless. To shy at enforcing the law because you don’t like the political consequences, is just cowardice.

Fiat justitia ruat cælum Enforce the damn law, somebody. Then turn to cutting deals.

Footnote: thing I haven’t seen commented on, but I believe is true, is that DACA is an act of racial favoritism. The beneficiaries of DACA, in the minds of progressives, are small brown people. That makes them sacred objects, or at least precious objects, in a way that wouldn’t apply otherwise.

Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —white South Africans? Do you think?

2010-12-24dl[1] John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. From my blog:

    Sep 9, 2017 – DACA Caca

    DACA is unconstitutional, something informed Americans agree upon. (Caca means shit in Mexican, hence the title.) President Obama created this amnesty program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood our nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program after a year for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress can legislate this as required in a democracy. Executive orders are only for emergencies where Congress cannot act promptly, top secret affairs, or clarifications of vague laws, not for royal proclamations by a President when Congress disagrees.

    DACA illegal immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. But what about those who arrived after the current DACA limit, in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016? Must they be included because of the “moral imperative” Obama cited? What about those crossing now? There are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so DACA requirements can be met with no proof. 

    [MORE]

    And once these kids get resident cards (“kids” up to age 36) their parents and siblings can get immediate family visas. So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs and applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual federal benefits, thus opening the door for millions more unskilled and disabled immigrants via immediate family visas. Legal foreigners age 65 and older automatically get SSI checks and Medicaid as “aged” without ever paying a cent in social security or income taxes, as well as younger disabled foreigners who never worked a day in the USA.

    Millions of Latinos will continue to pour across our border and millions more who now arrive from Africa after they cross over to South America and claim asylum, then take a bus north (waved thru by several Latin American nations). These “refugees” walk across our lightly defended border, yell asylum and bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault, so they DACA over to the welfare office. In addition, young adults may claim they are only 17 years old to get a visa and welfare benefits as an “unaccompanied minor”. Several million “refugees” arrived while Obama was in office since his DACA amnesty suggested open borders. Rewarding bad behavior only encourages more! Recent news reports are that illegal border crossings have dropped sharply since Trump took office, simply because he talked about enforcing immigration laws.

    This problem is the result of the two previous amnesties and lax immigration enforcement. Now corporate America demands another amnesty to solve this worldwide overpopulation problem? They spin DACA as a realistic solution, claiming we can’t deport people and can’t secure our borders, so let’s be realistic and give up. But the US government doesn’t really try. 

    Our “Department of Defense” has 1,200,000 active duty personnel and a million civilians, yet only a few hundred are actually assigned to help defend the USA from this invasion. Placing just 10,000 soldiers back on the border would make a big difference, and eliminating the anchor baby loophole is a simple fix. Meanwhile, the insane “diversity visa” program continues to flood the USA with tens of thousands of low skilled Third Worlders each year who are immediately placed in government housing with benefits, and then apply for immediate family visas for an even larger number of relatives.

    These unwanted economic refugees are clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and driving up rents. Meanwhile, corporate American warns that higher wages for Americans are bad since it encourages automation and eliminates jobs, while also promoting DACA to legalize millions of foreigners who take jobs. Poor immigrants pay some taxes, but at a much lower rate than citizens and collect benefits at a much higher rate. Moreover, the USA does not need millions more people clogging our overcrowded cities! 

    Mass immigration hurts the poorest Americans most, and remains the primary reason that wages remain flat and joblessness (accurately measured by the BLS Labor Participation Rate) remains high. Nearly all the corporate media supports open borders and DACA, with the notable exception of pro-worker and pro-American Tucker Carlson who exposed this plot. Unfortunately, millions of American citizens have been fooled by this anti-worker propaganda. Most don’t realize there are 300 million people in the USA and 7 billion people on Earth. Half will come to the USA or any modern nation if allowed, and millions are doing so right now, lured by DACA!

    Is rent too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if millions of illegal visitors were sent home? This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. Start by deporting illegals jailed for whatever reason since most are set free in the USA. The majority of Americans support this idea and explains why Trump won, yet corporate media says only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word “nationalist” to mean evil workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for open borders.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the thousands of Africans now crossing Mexico to the USA, instead of busing them to the American border for free. Mexico would boom with more GDP “activity”! America’s GDP may stagnate, yet wages will rise, unemployment and federal spending will fall, and cities will be safer and less crowded. DACA is a great corporate marketing scheme to fool Americans, but fundamentally, it’s a load of caca!

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  2. ” moving from one country to another is no hardship. I myself have done it half a dozen times” Derbyshire move you, your imported Chinese wife and Chinese offspring to China. It’s no hardship and would be great for the USA. Your wife and daughter were Obummer voters. Set the example for the DACA illegals.

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    attilathetroll is a great devotee to the cause of purity
    , @Logan
    John is himself imported, FYI.

    He and the lovely Mrs. Derb are both naturalized citizens. Their children are native-born citizens of this country.
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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    " moving from one country to another is no hardship. I myself have done it half a dozen times" Derbyshire move you, your imported Chinese wife and Chinese offspring to China. It's no hardship and would be great for the USA. Your wife and daughter were Obummer voters. Set the example for the DACA illegals.

    attilathetroll is a great devotee to the cause of purity

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    Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew Anonymous) there you go again with your oblique defense of the degenerate Derbyshire. You reveal yourself with your Derby China love and your offense when I said Laura Marx (Karl's daughter) married a black.

    But you don't like the Irish, Italians. And you claim WASPiness. You have (((miscegenated, meshuggah melange DNA))).

    , @Alden
    On other sites Attila goes by the name Betty.
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  4. A new video by Mr. Carlson explains this possible betrayal.

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    Piss-poor performance by Tucker Carlson. Over & over again, Tim Ryan refers to the beneficiaries of DACA as "kids," and Carlson never calls him on it. I mean, "kids" with an average age near 30? Micky Kaus is way better on this point.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Time to get real about Trump and his crew in the White House:

    Team Trump has nothing but contempt for the base.

    Team Trump has no real respect Trump voters.

    Team Trump is obsessed with elite (Manhattan) status and no other status matters.

    …So the logical conclusion is the beatings will continue until morale improves.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    RNC hacks and those personally approved by Jared Kushner appear to be almost the entirety of those hired to staff the Executive Office.

    If they really wanted to score for the base, Mike Cernovich would have been offered a position, he'd be a far better Press Secretary than the nepotism currently sitting there.
    , @Realist
    Trump is one dumb ass. He is deservedly a one termer.
    , @pyrrhus
    If DACA passes Congress, Trump won't be around after the 2020 elections, and many Congress critters voting for it won't be either....As an AZ voter, unless the Dems nominate someone like Booker, Trump will not carry AZ if the base is pissed off...
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  6. wayfarer says:

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Currently living in south Yuma Arizona, in a $500 fifth-wheel parked a couple of miles from the Mexican border. Cheap heroin/crystal-meth/crack-cocaine, professional and wannabe gangsters everywhere, lots of stash-houses too. It’s a place where, if your $hit ain’t nailed down then you can ki$$ it goodbye.

    Making a beeline back to San Diego, in several months. Even if it means living out of a used car. Screw your self-righteous sanctuary laws, California. I don’t give a damn if it’s illegal to be “homeless” in your gentrified state. I may not be able to afford your high-rents, but that doesn’t mean I can’t sip sweet lattes with your millionaires and walk your beautiful beaches at sunset.

    It’s coming down to two classes here in America, the filthy-rich and the filthy-poor. I may be poor, but I’m not filthy-poor. This enables me to live anonymously among the filthy-rich, unrecognizable as a “deplorable.” I’ll tell you a secret, besides some simple street-smarts, just stay squeaky clean, and you too can live the gentrified good life, while experiencing an American hobo renaissance.

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    LOL! Cute aren't they?

    Anyway, wayfarer, you may be a loser, but at least you are a white man. Just be thankful for that [cough], and feel glad that there are millions just like you.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

    , @Hu Mi Yu

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
     
    OK. I did. Random checks reveal most of them are described as of hispanic descent. What do you expect in a city with a hispanic name? That does *not* mean they are Mexican. As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted. Having grown up in Los Angeles, I always felt that us anglos were a minority. It was and is very common in LA for parents to respect tradition by teaching their children Spanish at home, and having them learn English in the schools.

    So let's take a look at the first ten of the most wanted (excluding unnamed bank robbers). Eight are labeled as "hispanic descent" which in LA means hispanic surname. This includes natives as well as people from all over central and South America, true Spanish, and Sephardic Jews. Not a single one of them is a Mexican national. One is Armenian descent, and another Iranian. None of them have anything to do with DACA. One of the crimes is nine years old; all the others are more than ten years cold.

    So what to people in LA do if they are hispanic, speak Spanish, and do something really stupid? They flee to Mexico and get lost as two of these are known to have done. So we have all these cold cases that have nothing to do with DACA or immigration. The reality is that we export our criminals to Mexico, and they export theirs here. Not so many years ago criminals escaped retribution for serious crimes by simply moving to another state. We didn't build walls around every state.

    The solution is more bilateral cooperation, not an iron curtain through the middle of North America.
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  7. LauraMR says:

    “Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —white South Africans? Do you think?”

    This.

    Nonetheless, illegal immigration is a mess. The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.
     
    Maybe it's all the people who never experienced nature who fail to see the relationship between bait and rodents. Leave food around and you'll get mice, cockroaches, etc. Entice illegals with jobs and welfare and you'll get illegals.

    But whenever I make this same suggestion, as I've been doing for at least three decades, the looks of incomprehension and horror I get from whites are telling. "Put my (daddy, uncle, cousin, or friend) in prison for hiring illegals?" Oh no! It's the illegals who must be punished, not those who masterminded the criminal conspiracy to entice them here..

    The elites are the problem. They invite and protect the illegals. The elites in religious mythologies, business, academia, and government are ALL on the side of subsuming America under an African and mestizo tidal wave. On our side there is A wealthy ophthalmologist and some pundits.
    , @Wulf
    Understood so it's all about racism.

    You haven't figured it out yet. It's poverty and culture, NOT racism.

    The actual issue with professional demonstrators, whiny babies, SJWs and "hate fighters" like yourself, BLM goons and other snowflakes is basically confusing racism with good ol' classism.

    You ask an incomplete and simplistic question for starters:

    “Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800k to 1.5M Russians, Germans or Swedes? likely not, you conclude, therefore it must be all about racism.

    But what if there were already 10 to 20M Germans, Russians or Swedes illegaly here?

    What if Germany, Sweden or Russia were dangerous shitholes with high crime and insecurity like most of Mexico, South and Central America are today?

    What if Germany, Sweden and Russia had a laid back culture where corruption was rife -even among the police- like Mexico, and most of South and Central America have?

    What if, to top it off, the 800K to 1.5M belonged mostly to the lowest classes of Germans, Swedes and Russians (the famous gopniks), and therefore were, not only direct competition to US working (low and lower middle) class, but more prone to crime knowing as we do social class and the types of crimes that concerns everyone the most are related?

    Let us formulate that question again then, bringing the analogy closer to the DACA case:

    Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800k to 1.5M low class Germans, Russians or Swedes, assuming there were already 10-20M of those Russians, Germans and Swedes in the US... and Russia, Germany and Sweden were shitholes with laid back cultures where corruption is widespread, like most of Mexico and Central and South America have, and to top it off they were part of the low or lower middle class here in the US, therefore being direct competition to the american working (low and lower middle) class full citizens?

    Of course we'd be going through that!

    oh, so you thought it was all about those pesky Mexicans not having blue eyes and blond hair? sorry to pop your bubble dear muppet!

    Do you think we'd be talking about this now, if those "brown" latinos were intellectual millionares, unlike our very own Gustavo "Pinche Güey" Arellano?

    Think again.

    There are plenty of people against Eastern European immigration in the UK, because not only is putting British workers out of a job, but also for being disproportionately overrepresented among petty thieves and pickpockets, as is the case with (gipsy) Bulgarians and Romanians.

    That was one of the main points of Brexit. Hilariously this very people were also smeared as racists by dim-wits such as yourself, although many of those Eastern Europeans have blue eyes and are blond.

    So let us drop the racist smearing silliness already.

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    It seems to need repeating, over and over again — Trump is a political neophyte. He only got elected because enough of us would do just about anything to lodge a stick in the Establishment’s collective eye, and he did make some very hopeful noises regarding the third-world flood currently inundating our nation. But that’s really about it.

    He’s not a god-emperor, he’s not a genius, and he’s not a master politician. The real tragedy is that he didn’t select Jefferson Sessions as his veep. Because then we could all get behind the idea of impeachment, which paradoxically enough would be guaranteed never to happen.

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    Of the four debates, Pence was the only one to have come out the better. Trump isn't much of a debater, and only does well on the stump. Sessions isn't physically imposing, and would have been horrible on TV, in addition to being from the wrong part of the country. Steve King would have been the best option, but he had the misfortune of backing Cruz during the caucus.
    , @peterAUS
    Nice.
    Unfortunately, agree.

    What's next?
    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.

    Because, if things do keep going as they've been going since November, I feel something bad is likely to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner.
    , @englishmike

    He’s not a god-emperor, he’s not a genius, and he’s not a master politician.
     
    And he's not Hillary.
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  9. It is not easy to change the policy of a country deeply.
    This is especially so in a country that appears to be democratic, and appears to have free and independent media.
    Even dictators had great trouble in changing societies, Napoleon, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao tse Tung.
    In all mentioned examples the changes just were possible after internal upheavals.
    No such upheaval in the USA until now, the old forces still exist.
    So of course there is wavering.

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  10. I’ve long suspected that Trump has no real interest in limiting immigration. As a private citizen, he benefitted–and will continue to benefit after he leaves office–from cheap labor as much as any other large business owner.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, it’s better than having Clinton in there. We’ll have to content ourselves with that.

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    That is ludicrous reasoning.

    When you have cancer, you don't thank God you don't have heart disease, you deal with the cancer.

    Clinton was never going to be President, it was always going to be Trump.

    The ONLY thing better than Clinton that Trump is Trump's supporters, who might rise against Trump, like Clinton's wouldn't.
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  11. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anonymous
    Time to get real about Trump and his crew in the White House:

    Team Trump has nothing but contempt for the base.

    Team Trump has no real respect Trump voters.

    Team Trump is obsessed with elite (Manhattan) status and no other status matters.

    ...So the logical conclusion is the beatings will continue until morale improves.

    RNC hacks and those personally approved by Jared Kushner appear to be almost the entirety of those hired to staff the Executive Office.

    If they really wanted to score for the base, Mike Cernovich would have been offered a position, he’d be a far better Press Secretary than the nepotism currently sitting there.

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    RNC hacks and those personally approved by Jared Kushner appear to be almost the entirety of those hired to staff the Executive Office.
     
    If Trump had not been the Republican nominee, Ivanka and Jared would almost certainly have voted for Hillary. It isn't just that the whitehouse has been staffed with RNC hacks; it's been staffed with a bunch of Democrats.
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  12. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anonymous
    It seems to need repeating, over and over again -- Trump is a political neophyte. He only got elected because enough of us would do just about anything to lodge a stick in the Establishment's collective eye, and he did make some very hopeful noises regarding the third-world flood currently inundating our nation. But that's really about it.

    He's not a god-emperor, he's not a genius, and he's not a master politician. The real tragedy is that he didn't select Jefferson Sessions as his veep. Because then we could all get behind the idea of impeachment, which paradoxically enough would be guaranteed never to happen.

    Of the four debates, Pence was the only one to have come out the better. Trump isn’t much of a debater, and only does well on the stump. Sessions isn’t physically imposing, and would have been horrible on TV, in addition to being from the wrong part of the country. Steve King would have been the best option, but he had the misfortune of backing Cruz during the caucus.

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  13. jim jones says:

    Great video about the Wall on the Donald:

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  14. Realist says:
    @Anonymous
    Time to get real about Trump and his crew in the White House:

    Team Trump has nothing but contempt for the base.

    Team Trump has no real respect Trump voters.

    Team Trump is obsessed with elite (Manhattan) status and no other status matters.

    ...So the logical conclusion is the beatings will continue until morale improves.

    Trump is one dumb ass. He is deservedly a one termer.

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  15. peterAUS says:
    @Anonymous
    It seems to need repeating, over and over again -- Trump is a political neophyte. He only got elected because enough of us would do just about anything to lodge a stick in the Establishment's collective eye, and he did make some very hopeful noises regarding the third-world flood currently inundating our nation. But that's really about it.

    He's not a god-emperor, he's not a genius, and he's not a master politician. The real tragedy is that he didn't select Jefferson Sessions as his veep. Because then we could all get behind the idea of impeachment, which paradoxically enough would be guaranteed never to happen.

    Nice.
    Unfortunately, agree.

    What’s next?
    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.

    Because, if things do keep going as they’ve been going since November, I feel something bad is likely to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner.

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    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.
     
    No, there's nothing that can be done.
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  16. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    In the eight months he’s been lurking in the WH, Trump has managed to make Obama look presidential.

    Trump lost me when he nominated that CZ war monger Pence as his VP, ensuring that the Swamp would never get drained on his watch.

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    No, Trump isn't making Obama look presidential. If eight years of the media hiding his "boyfriends" , hiding his reading off a teleprompter, hiding his cigarette habit, hiding his true parentage and/or birthplace, hiding his true religious leanings, hiding his illegal actions and lies couldn't make Obama look presidential, nothing can.
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  17. unit472 says:

    Trump can finesse the issue of DACA by making the process complex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction. That would weed out 90% of ‘Dreamers’.

    I peruse the arrest reports in Florida. They are available online. The good news is that since Trump’s election the number of Honduran, Guatemalan and Mexican stoop laborers getting arrested is down. The bad news ( for them) is their prior arrests and convictions for DUI, Domestic violence, brawling, drug possession etc. remain. Heck, toss in driving with no valid license and they ALL have a criminal conviction.

    Conservatives should make use of ‘process’ as an obstacle to progress the same as the Democrats. If an American citizen who wants to build a house on property he owns must jump through all manner of bureaucratic hoops and pay an assortment of fees to various agencies to get his building permit why not use these same methods to obstruct giving a green card to some 5 foot tall Amerindian? If he shows up to apply and has a criminal conviction, even for a misdemeanor, a quick run through the NCIC/DAVID data base and he can be arrested and deported immediately. Trump can appear compassionate even as these international vagrants are shipped out.

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    Trump can finesse the issue of DACA by making the process complex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction.
     

    Conservatives should make use of ‘process’ as an obstacle to progress the same as the Democrats. If an American citizen who wants to build a house on property he owns must jump through all manner of bureaucratic hoops and pay an assortment of fees to various agencies to get his building permit why not use these same methods to obstruct giving a green card to some 5 foot tall Amerindian?
     
    Because the bureaucrats who actually implement the process you want to make "mplex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction" are about 90% left-wing (read some of Foseti's archives. So you can be sure that those lefty burearcrats will oh-so-helpfully shepherd any Dreamer who comes to them through the system, "help them" fill out the requisite forms (i.e. fill them out for them). Criminal conviction? What criminal conviction? Oh, that paperwork must have gotten lost somewhere, because I didn't see any record of such. You see how it goes?

    Liberals can get away with making people jump through bureaucratic hoops because the bureaucrats manning those hoops are fellow liberals. Conservatives have no equivalent power.
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  18. @Anonymous
    It seems to need repeating, over and over again -- Trump is a political neophyte. He only got elected because enough of us would do just about anything to lodge a stick in the Establishment's collective eye, and he did make some very hopeful noises regarding the third-world flood currently inundating our nation. But that's really about it.

    He's not a god-emperor, he's not a genius, and he's not a master politician. The real tragedy is that he didn't select Jefferson Sessions as his veep. Because then we could all get behind the idea of impeachment, which paradoxically enough would be guaranteed never to happen.

    He’s not a god-emperor, he’s not a genius, and he’s not a master politician.

    And he’s not Hillary.

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  19. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    One that has made and lost four multi-billion dollar fortunes in NYC, then made another multi-billion dollar fortune can’t drain any swamp, he is part of that Swamp that has been looting trillions from Americans for decades thru their Wall Street scams and ripoffs that Americans get dunned to pay off every eight years or so.

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  20. Fiat justitia ruat cælum.Enforce the damn law, somebody.

    When did “the law” ever have anything to do with justice?

    Is that something new? When did it happen?

    What a novel concept, we should try it sometime.

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    When did “the law” ever have anything to do with justice?
     
    Good question. The force of "fiat justitia ruat caelum" is actually anti- or extra- (man-made) law -- one should do justice (or obey "divine law," if you're not the Derb) (jus), regardless of what "the law" (lex) might require.
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  21. KenH says:

    Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —white South Africans? Do you think?

    Oh, hell no. Then lefties would be calmly telling us that while it stinks that we’re sending white S. Africans back to a nation where they will likely be persecuted or killed simply for being white, we have laws and an immigration process that must be followed to the letter. After all, we’re a nation of laws when it comes to dealing with white people.

    But when it comes to enforcing immigration law on brown or black undocumented Democrats we get the spiel about how heartless, cruel and racist it would be to send hardworking and educated non-whites back to their countries of origin. Trump is now infected with this mode of thought.

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  22. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If Trump couldn’t bring himself to rescind by Executive Order what Obama had imposed by executive order

    Couldn’t help but notice the subtle emphasis there.

    Is that supposed to signify that a white president’s executive order is superior than a black president’s Executive Order?

    Pathetic.

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    Oh man. Anybody that can ferret out White racism this subtle (if any there be) has to be afflicted with ULTIMATE racial sensitivity. Do you suppose you should apply for a job at the so-called Poverty Law Center, perhaps as Top Lawyer Number One?
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  23. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @wayfarer
    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD's most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Currently living in south Yuma Arizona, in a $500 fifth-wheel parked a couple of miles from the Mexican border. Cheap heroin/crystal-meth/crack-cocaine, professional and wannabe gangsters everywhere, lots of stash-houses too. It's a place where, if your $hit ain't nailed down then you can ki$$ it goodbye.

    Making a beeline back to San Diego, in several months. Even if it means living out of a used car. Screw your self-righteous sanctuary laws, California. I don't give a damn if it's illegal to be “homeless” in your gentrified state. I may not be able to afford your high-rents, but that doesn't mean I can't sip sweet lattes with your millionaires and walk your beautiful beaches at sunset.

    It's coming down to two classes here in America, the filthy-rich and the filthy-poor. I may be poor, but I'm not filthy-poor. This enables me to live anonymously among the filthy-rich, unrecognizable as a “deplorable.” I'll tell you a secret, besides some simple street-smarts, just stay squeaky clean, and you too can live the gentrified good life, while experiencing an American hobo renaissance.

    LOL! Cute aren’t they?

    Anyway, wayfarer, you may be a loser, but at least you are a white man. Just be thankful for that [cough], and feel glad that there are millions just like you.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

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    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.
     
    Odds are they'll ask wayfarer to sponsor them for immigration to the US.
    , @wayfarer
    Just a thought.

    I could start hawking heroin or crack or crystal on a filthy downtown street corner somewhere, build a substantial clientele of hepatitis infected rich-kid junkies, earn lots of dirty money, then waste it all in cigarette smoke filled rooms of drunk cheating gamblers, buy lots of dumb looking ganster bling, and sample a new hot-ass stripper each night.

    That might put me on the path of the “winners.”

    There are lots of self-serving pursuits in this world, which would enable me to redefine myself as one of society's “winners.”

    But no thanks, I'm just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I'm not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I'm okay with the life of a “loser.”

    I'm really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.

    https://www.hugi.is/media/contentimages/100402.jpg
    , @in the middle
    Another ignoramus thinking, that 'whites' ONLY came to the USA! what a dumb and ignorant mindset! Argentina is the whitest nation in South America, (third world you might say) ,Chile, Brazil, etc, millions of Europeans, back then without the influx of migrants, (some day Europeans will be brownish, with all those breeders new arrivals), arrived in what was called, the 'new world". So remove that ignorant mindset, Ukraine is a White nation, and look at it! So is Bulgaria, etc, Eastern Europe is way 'whiter' than the USA! and full of losers as you call them, who don't care about pictures with a dumb down, fluoridated american!
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  24. @jacques sheete

    Fiat justitia ruat cælum.Enforce the damn law, somebody.
     
    When did "the law" ever have anything to do with justice?

    Is that something new? When did it happen?

    What a novel concept, we should try it sometime.

    When did “the law” ever have anything to do with justice?

    Good question. The force of “fiat justitia ruat caelum” is actually anti- or extra- (man-made) law — one should do justice (or obey “divine law,” if you’re not the Derb) (jus), regardless of what “the law” (lex) might require.

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  25. Rich says:
    @Greg Bacon
    In the eight months he's been lurking in the WH, Trump has managed to make Obama look presidential.

    Trump lost me when he nominated that CZ war monger Pence as his VP, ensuring that the Swamp would never get drained on his watch.

    No, Trump isn’t making Obama look presidential. If eight years of the media hiding his “boyfriends” , hiding his reading off a teleprompter, hiding his cigarette habit, hiding his true parentage and/or birthplace, hiding his true religious leanings, hiding his illegal actions and lies couldn’t make Obama look presidential, nothing can.

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    hiding his true religious leanings
     
    True religious leanings? You really think Obama has any of those? Other than worshiping himself, perhaps.
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  26. Trump is the Zionist TROJAN HORSE to implement everything that the Zionists could not accomplish with their puppet Obama so their going to get it all with their other puppet Dandy Don the king of the Con Trumpeter.

    Daca is just another of the ways the Zionists are going to destroy America and just as a parasite destroys its host so will the Zionists destroy America.

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  27. KenH says:

    I could go along with a form of DACA under certain conditions:

    1) The program ends after the 800,000 work visa and green card issuance. Not 800,001 and not the 3.2 millionth.
    2) DREAMers can never rise above status of legal status and will be barred from voting forever. If they attempt to it will result in swift deportation.
    3) DREAMers cannot chain migrate their families into the U.S.
    4) Any crimes committed by DREAMers will result in swift deportation.

    In exchange we get:
    1) An impenetrable, 40ft high Southern border wall.
    2) 10 year moratorium on all immigration making periodic exceptions for small numbers of highly skilled white Europeans.
    3) An end to accepting third world and Muslim refugees and to begin the process of repatriating them back to their countries of origin.

    This should be no problem for Mr. art of the deal.

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    Wishful thinking, nothing more.
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  28. Truth says:

    Keep trollin’ Fred, see what happens to your nose at the next Amren conference…

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  29. @anonymous
    LOL! Cute aren't they?

    Anyway, wayfarer, you may be a loser, but at least you are a white man. Just be thankful for that [cough], and feel glad that there are millions just like you.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

    Odds are they’ll ask wayfarer to sponsor them for immigration to the US.

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  30. Kevin C. says:
    @peterAUS
    Nice.
    Unfortunately, agree.

    What's next?
    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.

    Because, if things do keep going as they've been going since November, I feel something bad is likely to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner.

    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.

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    No, there’s nothing that can be done.
     
    Can't disagree.
    Or, at least, haven't seen anywhere a serious conversation about:"how the people who voted for Trump can help him deliver what he promised".

    Everywhere is "Trump didn't do this, Trump failed there", but NOWHERE I've been able to see, for example "why the only connection between Trump and his supporters is Twitter and some rallies"?

    I posted that question several times and.........zero.

    People who wanted change voted for Trump and that's it.
    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.

    Swamp, though, mobilized a lots of people and they haven't stopped their work.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I've seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.

    But in this case, nothing of the sort.

    Maybe it's US way of doing 'populist movement'?
    Quiet, from home.............

    If one takes a look from aside he/she could get an impression that the Swamp is a populist movement.

    Has the mistake been only with Trump/Bannon/the rest of his team?
    Or supporters could've been blamed a bit too?

    Why that lost opportunity, that disconnect?
    That passivity?
    , @El Dato
    It's just a dumb dead-simple computational model, but...

    http://nautil.us/issue/52/the-hive/is-tribalism-a-natural-malfunction
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  31. Kevin C. says:
    @unit472
    Trump can finesse the issue of DACA by making the process complex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction. That would weed out 90% of 'Dreamers'.

    I peruse the arrest reports in Florida. They are available online. The good news is that since Trump's election the number of Honduran, Guatemalan and Mexican stoop laborers getting arrested is down. The bad news ( for them) is their prior arrests and convictions for DUI, Domestic violence, brawling, drug possession etc. remain. Heck, toss in driving with no valid license and they ALL have a criminal conviction.

    Conservatives should make use of 'process' as an obstacle to progress the same as the Democrats. If an American citizen who wants to build a house on property he owns must jump through all manner of bureaucratic hoops and pay an assortment of fees to various agencies to get his building permit why not use these same methods to obstruct giving a green card to some 5 foot tall Amerindian? If he shows up to apply and has a criminal conviction, even for a misdemeanor, a quick run through the NCIC/DAVID data base and he can be arrested and deported immediately. Trump can appear compassionate even as these international vagrants are shipped out.

    Trump can finesse the issue of DACA by making the process complex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction.

    Conservatives should make use of ‘process’ as an obstacle to progress the same as the Democrats. If an American citizen who wants to build a house on property he owns must jump through all manner of bureaucratic hoops and pay an assortment of fees to various agencies to get his building permit why not use these same methods to obstruct giving a green card to some 5 foot tall Amerindian?

    Because the bureaucrats who actually implement the process you want to make “mplex, expensive and ineligible to those with a criminal conviction” are about 90% left-wing (read some of Foseti’s archives. So you can be sure that those lefty burearcrats will oh-so-helpfully shepherd any Dreamer who comes to them through the system, “help them” fill out the requisite forms (i.e. fill them out for them). Criminal conviction? What criminal conviction? Oh, that paperwork must have gotten lost somewhere, because I didn’t see any record of such. You see how it goes?

    Liberals can get away with making people jump through bureaucratic hoops because the bureaucrats manning those hoops are fellow liberals. Conservatives have no equivalent power.

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  32. fnn says:

    OT: History of racial tension/violence in the Francosphere in recent decades. It’s like the French history of Negrophilia counts for nothing:

    http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2017/09/racial-incompatibility-in-saint-martin.html

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    Putain ça craint un max.
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  33. @LauraMR
    "Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —white South Africans? Do you think?"

    This.

    Nonetheless, illegal immigration is a mess. The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.

    The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.

    Maybe it’s all the people who never experienced nature who fail to see the relationship between bait and rodents. Leave food around and you’ll get mice, cockroaches, etc. Entice illegals with jobs and welfare and you’ll get illegals.

    But whenever I make this same suggestion, as I’ve been doing for at least three decades, the looks of incomprehension and horror I get from whites are telling. “Put my (daddy, uncle, cousin, or friend) in prison for hiring illegals?” Oh no! It’s the illegals who must be punished, not those who masterminded the criminal conspiracy to entice them here..

    The elites are the problem. They invite and protect the illegals. The elites in religious mythologies, business, academia, and government are ALL on the side of subsuming America under an African and mestizo tidal wave. On our side there is A wealthy ophthalmologist and some pundits.

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    If by "elites" you mean ancient aliens, you are 100% correct.

    It is not difficult to find who is hiring illegals. I invite you to look into it.

    And drop the racist nonsense. It helps no one, least yourself.
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  34. peterAUS says:
    @Kevin C.

    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.
     
    No, there's nothing that can be done.

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.

    Can’t disagree.
    Or, at least, haven’t seen anywhere a serious conversation about:”how the people who voted for Trump can help him deliver what he promised”.

    Everywhere is “Trump didn’t do this, Trump failed there”, but NOWHERE I’ve been able to see, for example “why the only connection between Trump and his supporters is Twitter and some rallies”?

    I posted that question several times and………zero.

    People who wanted change voted for Trump and that’s it.
    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.

    Swamp, though, mobilized a lots of people and they haven’t stopped their work.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I’ve seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.

    But in this case, nothing of the sort.

    Maybe it’s US way of doing ‘populist movement’?
    Quiet, from home………….

    If one takes a look from aside he/she could get an impression that the Swamp is a populist movement.

    Has the mistake been only with Trump/Bannon/the rest of his team?
    Or supporters could’ve been blamed a bit too?

    Why that lost opportunity, that disconnect?
    That passivity?

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    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I’ve seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.
     
    You seem to have the causation backwards. As "Free Northerner" put it, "A rally is a display of power. A rally is not for building power, it is for showing power to widen legitimacy." It's not that rallies and marches start changing minds and winning support (especially elite support), it's that changing minds and increasing support (especially elite support) lead to rallies and demonstrations.

    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.
     
    Well, what, seriously, can Trump supporters do to fight against "the Swamp", other than pulling that lever in the voting booth? March and hold rallies? Expect that to become another Berkeley or Charlottesville. The cops will dutifully obey their leftist masters' commands to punish the Trump supporters for the smallest toe out of line, while allowing the left's "Antifa" foot soldier thugs free reign in their violence, and even drive the Trump supporters into the waiting weapons of said thugs.

    And even if that doesn't happen, and the right manages a "successful" march or rally, what does that actually accomplish? The elites can and will ignore it and do whatever they want anyway.

    Why that lost opportunity
     
    There was never any real opportunity to lose.

    That passivity?
     
    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.
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  35. wayfarer says:
    @anonymous
    LOL! Cute aren't they?

    Anyway, wayfarer, you may be a loser, but at least you are a white man. Just be thankful for that [cough], and feel glad that there are millions just like you.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

    Just a thought.

    I could start hawking heroin or crack or crystal on a filthy downtown street corner somewhere, build a substantial clientele of hepatitis infected rich-kid junkies, earn lots of dirty money, then waste it all in cigarette smoke filled rooms of drunk cheating gamblers, buy lots of dumb looking ganster bling, and sample a new hot-ass stripper each night.

    That might put me on the path of the “winners.”

    There are lots of self-serving pursuits in this world, which would enable me to redefine myself as one of society’s “winners.”

    But no thanks, I’m just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I’m not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I’m okay with the life of a “loser.”

    I’m really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.

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    But no thanks, I’m just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I’m not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I’m okay with the life of a “loser.”
    I’m really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.
     
    You sound like someone who should write a book. Are you working on it?
    , @lavoisier
    Good for you.

    I lived in a car for a time while I was in college. Some of the best times of my life.

    When you have nothing to lose, you are free.

    I agree with the sentiments. You are a natural writer.

    And a philosopher as well apparently.

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  36. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @wayfarer
    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD's most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Currently living in south Yuma Arizona, in a $500 fifth-wheel parked a couple of miles from the Mexican border. Cheap heroin/crystal-meth/crack-cocaine, professional and wannabe gangsters everywhere, lots of stash-houses too. It's a place where, if your $hit ain't nailed down then you can ki$$ it goodbye.

    Making a beeline back to San Diego, in several months. Even if it means living out of a used car. Screw your self-righteous sanctuary laws, California. I don't give a damn if it's illegal to be “homeless” in your gentrified state. I may not be able to afford your high-rents, but that doesn't mean I can't sip sweet lattes with your millionaires and walk your beautiful beaches at sunset.

    It's coming down to two classes here in America, the filthy-rich and the filthy-poor. I may be poor, but I'm not filthy-poor. This enables me to live anonymously among the filthy-rich, unrecognizable as a “deplorable.” I'll tell you a secret, besides some simple street-smarts, just stay squeaky clean, and you too can live the gentrified good life, while experiencing an American hobo renaissance.

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    OK. I did. Random checks reveal most of them are described as of hispanic descent. What do you expect in a city with a hispanic name? That does *not* mean they are Mexican. As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted. Having grown up in Los Angeles, I always felt that us anglos were a minority. It was and is very common in LA for parents to respect tradition by teaching their children Spanish at home, and having them learn English in the schools.

    So let’s take a look at the first ten of the most wanted (excluding unnamed bank robbers). Eight are labeled as “hispanic descent” which in LA means hispanic surname. This includes natives as well as people from all over central and South America, true Spanish, and Sephardic Jews. Not a single one of them is a Mexican national. One is Armenian descent, and another Iranian. None of them have anything to do with DACA. One of the crimes is nine years old; all the others are more than ten years cold.

    So what to people in LA do if they are hispanic, speak Spanish, and do something really stupid? They flee to Mexico and get lost as two of these are known to have done. So we have all these cold cases that have nothing to do with DACA or immigration. The reality is that we export our criminals to Mexico, and they export theirs here. Not so many years ago criminals escaped retribution for serious crimes by simply moving to another state. We didn’t build walls around every state.

    The solution is more bilateral cooperation, not an iron curtain through the middle of North America.

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    Worked plenty of blue-collar jobs in California, side-by-side with both legal and illegal Hispanics/Latins.

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there's a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.

    I've got no patience for, self-serving takers.

    "2017 is Turning into Bloodiest Year in History"
    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/13/stringers-2017-turning-bloodiest-year-history/

    “Drugs, Human Smuggling Thwarted by Customs and Border Protection”
    http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/29452-drugs-human-smuggling-thwarted-by-customs-border-protection

    Here in south Yuma Arizona, the management at the RV park that I'm temporarily staying in just issued a warning letter to its residents.

    “If you have anything of value outside that can be carried or ridden away it should be locked. I have talked with the police department a number of times and the problems we are having are occurring all over town.”

    It's not race, but poverty and greed that breeds crime.
    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Arizona/Yuma/Race-and-Ethnicity

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.

    , @Carlton Meyer
    I see you never bothered to read much about Los Angeles history, or even look at Wiki before promoting confused ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles

    Roughly half the population of Los Angeles is Latino, up from 7.1% in 1940. That wanted list is over 85% Hispanic.

    Having lived in SoCal for years, it was rare to encounter a Mexican-American whose family arrived before World War II, and those speak no Spanish. It is impossible to find anyone who lived in LA since the 1950s say that mass immigration was a good thing. Parts of downtown LA are dangerous Spanish speaking third world disaster areas.
    , @Logan
    As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted.

    Not sure where you got this number. US Census for 1850 was 92,000, though Indians weren't counted. 25,000 of that number were Spanish speaking.

    A state census in 1852 counted 260,000 with 24,000 being Indians. This time Spanish speaking weren't counted.

    The population didn't hit 500,000 till probably the late 1860s.

    http://explore.museumca.org/goldrush/curriculum/1stcalifornians/resourcesix.htm
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  37. El Dato says:
    @Kevin C.

    Anything can be done?

    Not trying to be smart, just asking.
     
    No, there's nothing that can be done.

    It’s just a dumb dead-simple computational model, but…

    http://nautil.us/issue/52/the-hive/is-tribalism-a-natural-malfunction

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    I don't see the relevance. Unless, that is, you're saying we're about to go the way of the Ephramites? Because only one side has the power (political, cultural, military — where quality again trumps quantity, etc.) to come out alive in a violent, genocidal, tribal war, and that is not us.
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  38. El Dato says:
    @fnn
    OT: History of racial tension/violence in the Francosphere in recent decades. It's like the French history of Negrophilia counts for nothing:
    http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2017/09/racial-incompatibility-in-saint-martin.html

    Putain ça craint un max.

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  39. yeah says:

    “Fourth, the propaganda about breaking up families is just that—propaganda, of the shallowest and emptiest kind”.

    Exactly! I wonder why it has not been ripped apart and blown to smithereens by now. DACA (as in “Childhood Arrivals”) raises the question: Did the little kiddies arrive by themselves? If they indeed did, then it might be the right thing for Uncle Sam to nanny them. But if they did not, having been brought by their parents in suitcases and other means illegal, what on earth gives them and their little kiddies the right to hold on to their perch on Uncle Sam’s lap? More so when we learn that many of these kiddies are by now fully grown adults in their thirties. The answer lies in lunacy (of the special progressive sort) and political dishonesty of the worst and most cynical type, whose patron saint Obama most certainly was.

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  40. @Anonymous
    attilathetroll is a great devotee to the cause of purity

    Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew Anonymous) there you go again with your oblique defense of the degenerate Derbyshire. You reveal yourself with your Derby China love and your offense when I said Laura Marx (Karl’s daughter) married a black.

    But you don’t like the Irish, Italians. And you claim WASPiness. You have (((miscegenated, meshuggah melange DNA))).

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    "Incoherent"

    Every single statement, assertion, opinion, viewpoint, standpoint, etc every word uttered by JC, BC, BO, HRC, was/is in fact, no matter how eloquent, or articulated they may have, at the time, appeared, everything ever expressed by these charlatans, BSers, numbskulls, everything and anything, when placed under the light of logical and rational scrutinization, amounted to nothing more than "Incoherent" blather.
    Fact is DT is dealing with these idiots, and he trapped in the precarious situation so precisely described by Mark Twain : "Argue with a fool what do you get : two fools", therefore it is almost impossible for him to not come across as incoherent.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  41. @attilathehen
    Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew Anonymous) there you go again with your oblique defense of the degenerate Derbyshire. You reveal yourself with your Derby China love and your offense when I said Laura Marx (Karl's daughter) married a black.

    But you don't like the Irish, Italians. And you claim WASPiness. You have (((miscegenated, meshuggah melange DNA))).

    “Incoherent”

    Every single statement, assertion, opinion, viewpoint, standpoint, etc every word uttered by JC, BC, BO, HRC, was/is in fact, no matter how eloquent, or articulated they may have, at the time, appeared, everything ever expressed by these charlatans, BSers, numbskulls, everything and anything, when placed under the light of logical and rational scrutinization, amounted to nothing more than “Incoherent” blather.
    Fact is DT is dealing with these idiots, and he trapped in the precarious situation so precisely described by Mark Twain : “Argue with a fool what do you get : two fools”, therefore it is almost impossible for him to not come across as incoherent.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  42. Kevin C. says:
    @peterAUS

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.
     
    Can't disagree.
    Or, at least, haven't seen anywhere a serious conversation about:"how the people who voted for Trump can help him deliver what he promised".

    Everywhere is "Trump didn't do this, Trump failed there", but NOWHERE I've been able to see, for example "why the only connection between Trump and his supporters is Twitter and some rallies"?

    I posted that question several times and.........zero.

    People who wanted change voted for Trump and that's it.
    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.

    Swamp, though, mobilized a lots of people and they haven't stopped their work.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I've seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.

    But in this case, nothing of the sort.

    Maybe it's US way of doing 'populist movement'?
    Quiet, from home.............

    If one takes a look from aside he/she could get an impression that the Swamp is a populist movement.

    Has the mistake been only with Trump/Bannon/the rest of his team?
    Or supporters could've been blamed a bit too?

    Why that lost opportunity, that disconnect?
    That passivity?

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I’ve seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.

    You seem to have the causation backwards. As “Free Northerner” put it, “A rally is a display of power. A rally is not for building power, it is for showing power to widen legitimacy.” It’s not that rallies and marches start changing minds and winning support (especially elite support), it’s that changing minds and increasing support (especially elite support) lead to rallies and demonstrations.

    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.

    Well, what, seriously, can Trump supporters do to fight against “the Swamp”, other than pulling that lever in the voting booth? March and hold rallies? Expect that to become another Berkeley or Charlottesville. The cops will dutifully obey their leftist masters’ commands to punish the Trump supporters for the smallest toe out of line, while allowing the left’s “Antifa” foot soldier thugs free reign in their violence, and even drive the Trump supporters into the waiting weapons of said thugs.

    And even if that doesn’t happen, and the right manages a “successful” march or rally, what does that actually accomplish? The elites can and will ignore it and do whatever they want anyway.

    Why that lost opportunity

    There was never any real opportunity to lose.

    That passivity?

    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.

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    Interesting.

    Especially


    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.
     
    You are an American?
    I am not, BTW.

    Any other opinion on this?

    Anyone?

    , @Kevin C.
    For further on the nature of "rallies", especially right-wing ones, in modern America, I shall quote Michael Perilloux writing over at Social Matter, who phrases it much more eloquently than I could:

    1. A rally is a big target that requires serious alignment to go well. It’s not difficult for the police, provocateurs, and counter-protesters to make a big chaotic mess of it. Given a big chaotic mess, it’s not hard for the Cathedral to put whatever spin they like on it and find plenty of heart-wrenching details to promote. We see the result.
    2. The rally coalition in question was a big tent. There was no control over who was there representing the alt-right, so plenty of unsavory characters showed up to embarass the rest. The chaos tended to involve these fringe members of the coalition. We can see that it was these edge-cases that the media is exploiting the most in their narrative about “Nazis and KKK.”
    3. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a free country. It is ruled by a very powerful elite network loosely organized around progressive ideology, which will do whatever it needs to to crush or neutralize political opponents. You have effectively no political rights, no free speech, no right to assemble. There is no undiscriminating “public” infrastructure; your right to participate in America is contingent on your acquiescence to the progressive ideological consensus that controls all infrastructure. You might even say that America is a communist country, or if we want to be pedantic, a “progressive” country, meant in exactly the same way.
    4. This central progressive coalition is good at, and has no qualms about, using the police and antifa to start riots that can be spun in a direction favorable to them and exploiting a news cycle to push their agenda in a semi-coordinated way behind the scenes. This is why the protest went horribly wrong, and how a lot of the subsequent reaction was coordinated; they made it happen because it was within their power. And it benefited them.
    5. The alt-right bought civics class lies about free political expression, about peaceful protest being possible, let alone effective, and about it being possible for an underdog to take on the agenda of power and win, just by being dedicated and right. A movement constituted on these untruths will always lose, unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle, who cover for it and use it to their advantage. But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons, because it has gotten itself into a fight with power and doubled down, a fight which no sane person and especially no powerful patron, even one who supports the ideals, wants a part of.
     
    Later:

    In this framework, the situation behind the alt-right is this: the elite consensus in our society has mostly alienated normal white people, especially traditionally-minded white men, who are thus becoming hostile to the elite consensus. This is dangerous in a democracy, so those white men must be replaced or otherwise neutralized to maintain elite power. Otherwise, the elite has to deal with consequences like Trump. It would be easier to control an assorted mass of degenerate and deracinated brown people, so that’s what elite power is generally buying these days: brown immigrants and demoralization. The ugly future produced by this dynamic is a tragic outcome for all, but such is the logic of democracy.

    It is particularly tragic for those “white males” who have become politically obsolete. Naturally, they try to organize and oppose. Hence the alt-right. But that opposition, especially abrasive confrontational opposition, is itself the motivation for the crushing. As the model predicts, this Charlottesville incident is being used as further justification for the acceleration of what the alt-right calls “white genocide”.

    The strategic approach the alt-right took in Charlottesville, which to be fair to them is the mainstream theory of politics advanced by modern society, is the view of politics as conflict, especially through symbolic activism. To accomplish political ends, you are supposed to go out and protest and “fight” for your marginalized group. If you “fight” well, you get some slice of favor from the system and are allowed to flourish. So, the alt-right went out and “fought”. We saw the result.

    The first rule of conflict is that you don’t pick direct fights with players who are bigger than you and have more allies in the fight. The alt-right directly challenged the system, which by definition has the most allies, and predictably lost.
     

    Rallies work as an expression of power arising from possession of elite backing, not as a means of obtaining that elite backing. And the Iron Law of Oligarchy always holds; only elites matter.
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  43. Derbyshire, here’s another reality you don’t want to deal with (or maybe you can’t “see” it because your eyes are not so round anymore). One of your fellow columnists at VDare (Federale, do you know him?), wrote a column about China (your wife’s homeland) and that it is the worst violator when it comes to taking their illegal refuse back (http://www.vdare.com/posts/trump-cuts-off-visas-for-countries-that-wont-take-back-their-criminals-minorities-hardest-hit). Could you please write about China and this illegal immigration problem?

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  44. Kevin C. says:
    @El Dato
    It's just a dumb dead-simple computational model, but...

    http://nautil.us/issue/52/the-hive/is-tribalism-a-natural-malfunction

    I don’t see the relevance. Unless, that is, you’re saying we’re about to go the way of the Ephramites? Because only one side has the power (political, cultural, military — where quality again trumps quantity, etc.) to come out alive in a violent, genocidal, tribal war, and that is not us.

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  45. peterAUS says:
    @Kevin C.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I’ve seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.
     
    You seem to have the causation backwards. As "Free Northerner" put it, "A rally is a display of power. A rally is not for building power, it is for showing power to widen legitimacy." It's not that rallies and marches start changing minds and winning support (especially elite support), it's that changing minds and increasing support (especially elite support) lead to rallies and demonstrations.

    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.
     
    Well, what, seriously, can Trump supporters do to fight against "the Swamp", other than pulling that lever in the voting booth? March and hold rallies? Expect that to become another Berkeley or Charlottesville. The cops will dutifully obey their leftist masters' commands to punish the Trump supporters for the smallest toe out of line, while allowing the left's "Antifa" foot soldier thugs free reign in their violence, and even drive the Trump supporters into the waiting weapons of said thugs.

    And even if that doesn't happen, and the right manages a "successful" march or rally, what does that actually accomplish? The elites can and will ignore it and do whatever they want anyway.

    Why that lost opportunity
     
    There was never any real opportunity to lose.

    That passivity?
     
    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.

    Interesting.

    Especially

    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.

    You are an American?
    I am not, BTW.

    Any other opinion on this?

    Anyone?

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    You are an American?
     
    Yes, Alaskan.
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  46. wayfarer says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
     
    OK. I did. Random checks reveal most of them are described as of hispanic descent. What do you expect in a city with a hispanic name? That does *not* mean they are Mexican. As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted. Having grown up in Los Angeles, I always felt that us anglos were a minority. It was and is very common in LA for parents to respect tradition by teaching their children Spanish at home, and having them learn English in the schools.

    So let's take a look at the first ten of the most wanted (excluding unnamed bank robbers). Eight are labeled as "hispanic descent" which in LA means hispanic surname. This includes natives as well as people from all over central and South America, true Spanish, and Sephardic Jews. Not a single one of them is a Mexican national. One is Armenian descent, and another Iranian. None of them have anything to do with DACA. One of the crimes is nine years old; all the others are more than ten years cold.

    So what to people in LA do if they are hispanic, speak Spanish, and do something really stupid? They flee to Mexico and get lost as two of these are known to have done. So we have all these cold cases that have nothing to do with DACA or immigration. The reality is that we export our criminals to Mexico, and they export theirs here. Not so many years ago criminals escaped retribution for serious crimes by simply moving to another state. We didn't build walls around every state.

    The solution is more bilateral cooperation, not an iron curtain through the middle of North America.

    Worked plenty of blue-collar jobs in California, side-by-side with both legal and illegal Hispanics/Latins.

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there’s a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.

    I’ve got no patience for, self-serving takers.

    “2017 is Turning into Bloodiest Year in History”

    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/13/stringers-2017-turning-bloodiest-year-history/

    “Drugs, Human Smuggling Thwarted by Customs and Border Protection”

    http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/29452-drugs-human-smuggling-thwarted-by-customs-border-protection

    Here in south Yuma Arizona, the management at the RV park that I’m temporarily staying in just issued a warning letter to its residents.

    “If you have anything of value outside that can be carried or ridden away it should be locked. I have talked with the police department a number of times and the problems we are having are occurring all over town.”

    It’s not race, but poverty and greed that breeds crime.

    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Arizona/Yuma/Race-and-Ethnicity

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.

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    Could you have it backward? Does poverty breed crime, or does crime breed poverty?
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there’s a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.
     
    Criminals swagger across in both directions. They export their criminals, and we export ours.

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.
     
    What about all those not-so-rich American citizens living in Mexico?
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  47. good thing native americans didn’t have laws preventing those ugly palefaces from moving in. wudda hadda turn the mayflower around.
    the mexicans-americans are staying. get over it. save the bitterness & hatred for space aliens.

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  48. @peterAUS

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.
     
    Can't disagree.
    Or, at least, haven't seen anywhere a serious conversation about:"how the people who voted for Trump can help him deliver what he promised".

    Everywhere is "Trump didn't do this, Trump failed there", but NOWHERE I've been able to see, for example "why the only connection between Trump and his supporters is Twitter and some rallies"?

    I posted that question several times and.........zero.

    People who wanted change voted for Trump and that's it.
    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.

    Swamp, though, mobilized a lots of people and they haven't stopped their work.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I've seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.

    But in this case, nothing of the sort.

    Maybe it's US way of doing 'populist movement'?
    Quiet, from home.............

    If one takes a look from aside he/she could get an impression that the Swamp is a populist movement.

    Has the mistake been only with Trump/Bannon/the rest of his team?
    Or supporters could've been blamed a bit too?

    Why that lost opportunity, that disconnect?
    That passivity?

    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn’t fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The “4D-chess” meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything. We’ve basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism—which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don’t tell me we haven’t and aren’t doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama’s panties, and if you have any sense you won’t show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

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    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?
     
    Because you have to have the "requisite qualifications" for the job, which means in practice the right credential showing your attendance at the requisite left-wing indoctrination in academia. Any applicant who is not already a "swamp creature" shall be dismissed as "unqualified".

    There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House.
     
    Except for the fact that "the Swamp" has more power than the White House.

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington
     
    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the "Bonus Army"? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn't say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down "insurrection" and "rebellion", which is what such a "descent upon Washington" would be classed as.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can't get rid of them by voting, and we can't get rid of them by violence.
    , @utu
    All he has to do is call for help, say the word

    Do you remember G.H. Bush during WH press conference on 9/12/91?

    And we're up against a very strong and effective, sometimes, groups that go up to the Hill. I heard today there was something like a thousand lobbyists on the Hill working the other side of the question. We've got one lonely little guy down here doing it.

    He could have said the word as well. Actually Buchanan wrote that he should have and he would not have been lonely little man in the White house. He was getting tonnes of letters supporting him from those who knew what was this all about. He could have saved his presidency if he took the fight. But he knew what happens to people who fight this particular lobby. He fought on behalf of it in his career. And he knew that even for raising the possibility of the confrontation he could not be reelected because they do not take chances.

    I know that you believe in the orthodox 9/11 story told by MSM. But most politicians do not. They also know about anthrax letters and their purpose and about the DC sniper in 2002 psyop to make them submit to give GW Bush the war in Iraq. They know that the enemy is not kidding. They know they have a choice of plata o plomo. Obviously they opt for plata. Plenty of it and they and their families have prosperous and unproblematic lives. They know no resistance is going to be tolerated. Look at the flak Rand Paul got for his anemic clapping during the countless applauses for Netanyahu.

    Forget about Trump. There will be no change. Creating nationalist movement? Yes, but be prepared that blood will be spilled and most likely it will be yours not theirs. They will not give up what they worked so hard for during the last two centuries. There is another meaning to Fukuyama's "The End of History." Perhaps you can still pray that Chinese will turn out to be the better masters if they succeed replacing our current ones. Will they or will they be coopted by the current western oligarchy and end betraying the Chinese people?
    , @Backwoods Bob
    That was quite the impassioned response.

    Some of the appointments raised red flags, Goldman Sachs and Establishment figures - but I waited to see.

    I felt ill when Trump lobbed the missiles at the Syrian air base. After the fake news chemical attack.

    I did not buy into the 4-D chess line, and soon enough Trump showed he was in for regime change or at least partitioning Syria, either one a war crime.

    You have to indict Hillary or else there is no rule of law in this country. It is probably the most important prosecution in American history. Not just her, but McCain too and anyone else who does not turn on the deep state now. The Awan spy ring is connected to Weiner, Huma, and Hillary. She didn't just commit felonies with classified information. It is espionage, which has no statute of limitations.

    The corruption and blackmail is so thorough that Congress is the captive of the deep state. Trump, he's off the reservation. He was a real wild card, coming in without the political pedigree, never elected to anything. So now we know.

    We're down to "better than Hillary" now. Fewer new regulations. He's undone executive orders Obama signed.

    But not the hope and change we were asking for.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Hey, that has been a really interesting thread, I.D., as I read the replies and such already. I figured it'd be simpler to reply to you. I don't say this often, but I agree with ALL of the people. Yeah, we have differences in hopes for what could happen, but all have good points.

    I didn't do the work you did, I.D, but I know there are people that gave their all, considering work and family still have to come first. I went to rallies (with signs), talked to people who were worth talking to, and I've called representatives before, but I am not very good at keeping my cool during these phone calls.

    You are absolutely right that this Trump is one hell of a let-down and also with your point that we have tried to keep up our hopes up. Yeah, 4-D chess my ass, huh, more like a special-olympics version sack race, so far.

    Kevin C. I don't agree completely with your idea that the forces allied against us are powerful as you think - remember affirmative action and government employee competency (I wrote about it here, here, and here - lots of humor in there, if you need that right now.). However, I appreciated your replies on this.

    utu, I read your excellent comment too and can't say I disagree.

    However, maybe you all don't follow the financial big picture, and maybe you do, but let me tell you: The coming economic crash is gonna' change the picture on all this. Right now, people will not go near the extra mile our forefathers did in founding the country - they put their lives, fortunes, and honor on the line. People don't now, partly because the forces against them seem strong, but mostly because they are still living pretty prosperously compared to people less than a century ago. Once the finances crash (because the numbers SAY THEY WILL) people will have less to lose.

    At that point, people may also realize what it means to stick together. Individuals who fight the powers now will get the Charlottesville anarcho-tyranny treatment (emphasis on the tyranny part for them). It doesn't work on big united groups, though.

    We will definitely see.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    One more thing to Intelligent Dasein: Hey, it's one hell of a let down, what has happened with this guy, but no matter what, you should keep in mind that you were very important in the process of ending any major power retained by the Hildabeast. OK, she might become a preacher, but that doesn't bother me.

    You really were a big part of that, man. Whatever happens to our country now, it still will happen more slowly, and without our being under the scolding tongue of that sick bitch. I am no George Clooney, with the means to just leave America like it's a trip to 6 flags, but I would seriously think about leaving. That would be not so much due to the impending hell, as it will happen either way - it would more be due to my disgust at my countrymen for voting in someone like that.

    (Yes, it WAS only a few votes, so it's not like there were that many fewer countrymen voting for her than if she'd won, but it's just the emotional sick feeling that I'd have had that Americans deserve the hell coming, but I sure don't, and you too, I.D.)
    , @Corvinus
    "I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump."

    You mean his base, not the "cucks" or evangelicals or the disaffected.

    "So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt."

    What did you ultimately expect from a man who is a huckster just like Hilary?

    "But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town."

    Big boy butt hurt talk here. You should write fantasy fiction. Contact Vox Day.

    "We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are."

    The train is fine, Intelligent Dasein, the train is fine.

    "We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything."

    Why not YOU run for political office?
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  49. Kevin C. says:
    @peterAUS
    Interesting.

    Especially


    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.
     
    You are an American?
    I am not, BTW.

    Any other opinion on this?

    Anyone?

    You are an American?

    Yes, Alaskan.

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  50. @Hu Mi Yu

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
     
    OK. I did. Random checks reveal most of them are described as of hispanic descent. What do you expect in a city with a hispanic name? That does *not* mean they are Mexican. As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted. Having grown up in Los Angeles, I always felt that us anglos were a minority. It was and is very common in LA for parents to respect tradition by teaching their children Spanish at home, and having them learn English in the schools.

    So let's take a look at the first ten of the most wanted (excluding unnamed bank robbers). Eight are labeled as "hispanic descent" which in LA means hispanic surname. This includes natives as well as people from all over central and South America, true Spanish, and Sephardic Jews. Not a single one of them is a Mexican national. One is Armenian descent, and another Iranian. None of them have anything to do with DACA. One of the crimes is nine years old; all the others are more than ten years cold.

    So what to people in LA do if they are hispanic, speak Spanish, and do something really stupid? They flee to Mexico and get lost as two of these are known to have done. So we have all these cold cases that have nothing to do with DACA or immigration. The reality is that we export our criminals to Mexico, and they export theirs here. Not so many years ago criminals escaped retribution for serious crimes by simply moving to another state. We didn't build walls around every state.

    The solution is more bilateral cooperation, not an iron curtain through the middle of North America.

    I see you never bothered to read much about Los Angeles history, or even look at Wiki before promoting confused ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles

    Roughly half the population of Los Angeles is Latino, up from 7.1% in 1940. That wanted list is over 85% Hispanic.

    Having lived in SoCal for years, it was rare to encounter a Mexican-American whose family arrived before World War II, and those speak no Spanish. It is impossible to find anyone who lived in LA since the 1950s say that mass immigration was a good thing. Parts of downtown LA are dangerous Spanish speaking third world disaster areas.

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    I see you never bothered to read much about Los Angeles history, or even look at Wiki before promoting confused ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles

    Roughly half the population of Los Angeles is Latino, up from 7.1% in 1940. That wanted list is over 85% Hispanic.
     

    Having studied LA history in LA schools from local teachers, I don't trust wikipedia on this point. My second grade teacher actually tried to expel me for not speaking Spanish.

    Over the years there has been a strong incentive to hide ancestry/origin in the area. Census questions are not answered correctly; often they are bewildering for someone unaccustomed to the distinctions of race in the rest of the country. It has been traditional for hispanics to just say they are white, but that is changing.

    When the Yankees came locals couldn't make sense of racial questions. "White" was interpreted as "gente de razon": someone who could speak Spanish or English (or even Chinese).

    Racial census data for the area is meaningless.


    Having lived in SoCal for years, it was rare to encounter a Mexican-American whose family arrived before World War II, and those speak no Spanish.

     

    Not to you, they wouldn't. But say a few words in Spanish and see how that changes.

    It is impossible to find anyone who lived in LA since the 1950s say that mass immigration was a good thing. Parts of downtown LA are dangerous Spanish speaking third world disaster areas.
     
    There was no mass migration of the sort you imagine. Name a big city in this country that does not have dangerous areas.

    As I pointed out, that wanted list is for crimes committed more than ten years ago. These are the cold cases. Hispanics have an obvious advantage in disappearing in Mexico. Therefore the list has a higher number of hispanics than the population.

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  51. peterAUS says:

    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    A bit harsh, don’t you think?

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn’t fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    Great work. I mean it.

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The “4D-chess” meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Would you, please, explain that a bit more?
    Namely, how was that communication done?
    By posting on al-right Internet Websites? Emailing Trump and/or his team? Using Twitter?

    I would expect that The Team Trump created a direct link with its support base, on a daily basis, and, essentially, exchanged information.
    Say, in a company, you create, within a mail system, a mailbox called, say, “Opinions and initiatives”/whatever. So any employee can post there, anonymously if necessary. And a member of Management team reads all that every day and acts on it. As directed by CEO.

    Now, in this, your, case, it would’ve been done on a much bigger, broader scale.
    Was anything like that tried by The Team Trump?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    Good for you. I mean that.
    So, could you please expand on this too?
    How was, in bit more detail, that job application system set up? Any feedback, for example? Any way of, say, discussing “rejections”?

    I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything. We’ve basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Well, that’s my point precisely here. That I made bold.
    That’s obvious.
    All I am asking is, where any hints of that during the campaign?
    Or, more precisely, has anyone thought it could happen and tried to find a mechanism to prevent that?
    I do get that you guys tried hard and believed. I do.
    I am just wondering…..don’t you think you’ve been a bit too…….naive?
    Didn’t your Founding Fathers make it crystal clear about control of those in power?

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism—which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don’t tell me we haven’t and aren’t doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama’s panties, and if you have any sense you won’t show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    Well, not so sure about the last two sentences in this paragraph. Or at least the first. Second, well, one way to find out I guess.
    Do you guys have an Internet presence? That Nationalistic party?

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  52. Kevin C. says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    Because you have to have the “requisite qualifications” for the job, which means in practice the right credential showing your attendance at the requisite left-wing indoctrination in academia. Any applicant who is not already a “swamp creature” shall be dismissed as “unqualified”.

    There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House.

    Except for the fact that “the Swamp” has more power than the White House.

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington

    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the “Bonus Army”? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn’t say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down “insurrection” and “rebellion”, which is what such a “descent upon Washington” would be classed as.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can’t get rid of them by voting, and we can’t get rid of them by violence.

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    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the “Bonus Army”? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn’t say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down “insurrection” and “rebellion”, which is what such a “descent upon Washington” would be classed as.
     

    Ah.
    Yeah.
    Especially when most of combat arms personnel have same/similar viewpoint and, most likely, come from the same states.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can’t get rid of them by voting, and we can’t get rid of them by violence.
     
    Do you really want to talk about that?
    I can start, we'll debate and then we'll hit the ceiling on "open" Internet.
    Maybe email address would suffice.

    Anyway, that's what
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Committee_on_the_State_of_Emergency
    these guys thought in Soviet Union.

    I guess that members of US military would do even better.
    But, then, I am NOT an American.

    As for the practicalities of the game (drain the Swamp), how about this:
    The post meant for Intelligent Dasein , but anyway.


    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.
     
    So, here we have a conundrum.
    An idiot talking about serious things. It can’t be taken seriously. At least that’s how Americans treat experiences, opinions, suggestions and what not from the rest of the world. Especially from those…..little…little fellows from the middle of nowhere.
    Being exceptional, Americans I mean, they can’t get any value from those little little guys. The very guys who played this, POWER EXCHANGE game throughout their history lasting for more than 1000 years. Can’t compare it to the accumulated expertise on that matter with Americans. With 200 years or so.

    Anyway.

    This is how a President who wanted to drain Swamp in that tiny tiny country in the middle of nowhere (from now on TTCiN…) did it.
    The President got the Presidency. A mate of his, who was a direct link to his power base, was given an advisory role, like “President Advisor” or similar. Title didn’t matter. The power did. That guy had his own links with the power base. And he and the President, in essence, ruled TTCiN. Before any serious decision The Advisor would consult, via that network, the power base. Small country, easy you’d say. True. Big country with today’s technology even easier I guess.
    If the Advisor (a man with vast real life experience and total feel for the power base) felt that the base wouldn’t like it he’d tell the President. 9 times of 10 that would be heeded. Only when it wasn’t heeded was when The Big Guys wanted something from TTCiN. But, that was always, again, told, straight, to the power base. Always…..keep……..the……power……..base………informed. And…….listen……….to…….it.
    Call it rule 1.

    The first move by those two and some other mates of theirs, was to replace ALL top guys in country administration. True, easy in those TTCiNs than in US, but, still……
    Start with Intelligence Community, then Armed Forces, then Internal Security, then Foreign Policy. All……..of………..them………….
    All those guys who replaced the top guys were accepted by the power base. Or, the power base didn’t have anything against them. Rule 1 all the time.
    Then, those top guys made huge changes in all their departments; in essence brought up their own people. Pure cull of the system. Worked smooth. Plenty of competent people around at the time. Just pick up those you TRUST.
    For example, ALL President support people were replaced with new people. All….of….them…..From top bodyguard to gardener.

    One rule and method: I am a top guy-7 guys under me at the moment-replace 5 of them with guys I TRUST; the remaining 2 must be so good it hurts and they always know they can be replaced in instant.
    Then, those 7 guys do the same (those 2 from the previous team do it with a help from one from the new team);then……step below…..step below…….to, say, in military, a battalion commander.
    From then on a “leak” is easy to find and deal with.

    Maybe next time?

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  53. Kevin C. says:
    @Kevin C.

    Trump is supposed to be US populist.
    I’ve seen some populists; how they work; how they SUPPORTERS work.
    Mass rallies, demonstrations, marches.
     
    You seem to have the causation backwards. As "Free Northerner" put it, "A rally is a display of power. A rally is not for building power, it is for showing power to widen legitimacy." It's not that rallies and marches start changing minds and winning support (especially elite support), it's that changing minds and increasing support (especially elite support) lead to rallies and demonstrations.

    Left him, in essence, to fight, all by himself, against the Swamp.
     
    Well, what, seriously, can Trump supporters do to fight against "the Swamp", other than pulling that lever in the voting booth? March and hold rallies? Expect that to become another Berkeley or Charlottesville. The cops will dutifully obey their leftist masters' commands to punish the Trump supporters for the smallest toe out of line, while allowing the left's "Antifa" foot soldier thugs free reign in their violence, and even drive the Trump supporters into the waiting weapons of said thugs.

    And even if that doesn't happen, and the right manages a "successful" march or rally, what does that actually accomplish? The elites can and will ignore it and do whatever they want anyway.

    Why that lost opportunity
     
    There was never any real opportunity to lose.

    That passivity?
     
    Because one can only be passive, when all activity is futile.

    For further on the nature of “rallies”, especially right-wing ones, in modern America, I shall quote Michael Perilloux writing over at Social Matter, who phrases it much more eloquently than I could:

    1. A rally is a big target that requires serious alignment to go well. It’s not difficult for the police, provocateurs, and counter-protesters to make a big chaotic mess of it. Given a big chaotic mess, it’s not hard for the Cathedral to put whatever spin they like on it and find plenty of heart-wrenching details to promote. We see the result.
    2. The rally coalition in question was a big tent. There was no control over who was there representing the alt-right, so plenty of unsavory characters showed up to embarass the rest. The chaos tended to involve these fringe members of the coalition. We can see that it was these edge-cases that the media is exploiting the most in their narrative about “Nazis and KKK.”
    3. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a free country. It is ruled by a very powerful elite network loosely organized around progressive ideology, which will do whatever it needs to to crush or neutralize political opponents. You have effectively no political rights, no free speech, no right to assemble. There is no undiscriminating “public” infrastructure; your right to participate in America is contingent on your acquiescence to the progressive ideological consensus that controls all infrastructure. You might even say that America is a communist country, or if we want to be pedantic, a “progressive” country, meant in exactly the same way.
    4. This central progressive coalition is good at, and has no qualms about, using the police and antifa to start riots that can be spun in a direction favorable to them and exploiting a news cycle to push their agenda in a semi-coordinated way behind the scenes. This is why the protest went horribly wrong, and how a lot of the subsequent reaction was coordinated; they made it happen because it was within their power. And it benefited them.
    5. The alt-right bought civics class lies about free political expression, about peaceful protest being possible, let alone effective, and about it being possible for an underdog to take on the agenda of power and win, just by being dedicated and right. A movement constituted on these untruths will always lose, unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle, who cover for it and use it to their advantage. But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons, because it has gotten itself into a fight with power and doubled down, a fight which no sane person and especially no powerful patron, even one who supports the ideals, wants a part of.

    Later:

    In this framework, the situation behind the alt-right is this: the elite consensus in our society has mostly alienated normal white people, especially traditionally-minded white men, who are thus becoming hostile to the elite consensus. This is dangerous in a democracy, so those white men must be replaced or otherwise neutralized to maintain elite power. Otherwise, the elite has to deal with consequences like Trump. It would be easier to control an assorted mass of degenerate and deracinated brown people, so that’s what elite power is generally buying these days: brown immigrants and demoralization. The ugly future produced by this dynamic is a tragic outcome for all, but such is the logic of democracy.

    It is particularly tragic for those “white males” who have become politically obsolete. Naturally, they try to organize and oppose. Hence the alt-right. But that opposition, especially abrasive confrontational opposition, is itself the motivation for the crushing. As the model predicts, this Charlottesville incident is being used as further justification for the acceleration of what the alt-right calls “white genocide”.

    The strategic approach the alt-right took in Charlottesville, which to be fair to them is the mainstream theory of politics advanced by modern society, is the view of politics as conflict, especially through symbolic activism. To accomplish political ends, you are supposed to go out and protest and “fight” for your marginalized group. If you “fight” well, you get some slice of favor from the system and are allowed to flourish. So, the alt-right went out and “fought”. We saw the result.

    The first rule of conflict is that you don’t pick direct fights with players who are bigger than you and have more allies in the fight. The alt-right directly challenged the system, which by definition has the most allies, and predictably lost.

    Rallies work as an expression of power arising from possession of elite backing, not as a means of obtaining that elite backing. And the Iron Law of Oligarchy always holds; only elites matter.

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    This text is at

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/09/14/lessons-charlottesville-power-dynamics-strategy/

    and wow DuckDuckGo made me "unsafe" my search to actually get the results.

    The Alt-Right-onomicon has been opened.
    , @utu
    Could you post the link to the article you citing? It seems to be very good.

    unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle... But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons

    Many of alt-rightist think that by allying themselves with the hard core Zionists will give them indemnity and access to vast financial resources of Zionist money (like Mercer family for Bannon and Breitbart). Marine Le Pen succeeded to some extent (minus the money) doing this by cutting off from the tradition of her father's party. Muslim immigration and various terrorist attacks of dubious provenience serve the purpose of turning the traditionally Jew-skeptic (anti-semitic) right to being pro Zionist. The question is whether you can make a deal with a more powerful and richer sponsor? Who ends up using whom? In this arrangement alt-right at best may hope to get the status of Evangelical Christians. Do Evangelical Christians have any accomplishments in the culture war in exchange for doing the heavy lifting on behalf of Israel and Jews? The only accomplishment of HBD crowd like Sailer, Murray, Derbyshire is spreading and imprinting the meme that Jews are smarter and thus rightfully deserving the top caste position in the Western society. So the resistance is futile. That's why they are tolerated and some meager funds trickle down to them. Useful idiots are useful so you cultivate their idiocy.
    , @El Dato
    Holy damn, this must be a collaborative work of Lenin and Salvor Hardin.
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  54. @wayfarer
    Just a thought.

    I could start hawking heroin or crack or crystal on a filthy downtown street corner somewhere, build a substantial clientele of hepatitis infected rich-kid junkies, earn lots of dirty money, then waste it all in cigarette smoke filled rooms of drunk cheating gamblers, buy lots of dumb looking ganster bling, and sample a new hot-ass stripper each night.

    That might put me on the path of the “winners.”

    There are lots of self-serving pursuits in this world, which would enable me to redefine myself as one of society's “winners.”

    But no thanks, I'm just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I'm not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I'm okay with the life of a “loser.”

    I'm really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.

    https://www.hugi.is/media/contentimages/100402.jpg

    But no thanks, I’m just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I’m not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I’m okay with the life of a “loser.”
    I’m really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.

    You sound like someone who should write a book. Are you working on it?

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    I appreciate the positive feedback, englishmike.

    As a matter of fact, I'll soon be heading back to California.

    I plan to get a beach chair, a box of colored pens, lots of empty notebooks, and begin free writing.

    You see, this is what my soul's requested. Although it's the eleventh hour of my life, I've finally learned how to listen to my soul.

    Honestly it seems like writing, most likely flash fiction, is the only endeavor that will bring a measure of joy and purpose back into an ebbing life.

    Never done this before. Not expecting any money. Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people's lives, in a good way.

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  55. Vinteuil says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    A new video by Mr. Carlson explains this possible betrayal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20mWUQrfffQ

    Piss-poor performance by Tucker Carlson. Over & over again, Tim Ryan refers to the beneficiaries of DACA as “kids,” and Carlson never calls him on it. I mean, “kids” with an average age near 30? Micky Kaus is way better on this point.

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  56. utu says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word

    Do you remember G.H. Bush during WH press conference on 9/12/91?

    And we’re up against a very strong and effective, sometimes, groups that go up to the Hill. I heard today there was something like a thousand lobbyists on the Hill working the other side of the question. We’ve got one lonely little guy down here doing it.

    He could have said the word as well. Actually Buchanan wrote that he should have and he would not have been lonely little man in the White house. He was getting tonnes of letters supporting him from those who knew what was this all about. He could have saved his presidency if he took the fight. But he knew what happens to people who fight this particular lobby. He fought on behalf of it in his career. And he knew that even for raising the possibility of the confrontation he could not be reelected because they do not take chances.

    I know that you believe in the orthodox 9/11 story told by MSM. But most politicians do not. They also know about anthrax letters and their purpose and about the DC sniper in 2002 psyop to make them submit to give GW Bush the war in Iraq. They know that the enemy is not kidding. They know they have a choice of plata o plomo. Obviously they opt for plata. Plenty of it and they and their families have prosperous and unproblematic lives. They know no resistance is going to be tolerated. Look at the flak Rand Paul got for his anemic clapping during the countless applauses for Netanyahu.

    Forget about Trump. There will be no change. Creating nationalist movement? Yes, but be prepared that blood will be spilled and most likely it will be yours not theirs. They will not give up what they worked so hard for during the last two centuries. There is another meaning to Fukuyama’s “The End of History.” Perhaps you can still pray that Chinese will turn out to be the better masters if they succeed replacing our current ones. Will they or will they be coopted by the current western oligarchy and end betraying the Chinese people?

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    I know that you believe in the orthodox 9/11 story told by MSM. But most politicians do not.
     
    No, that isn't true. The notion that 9/11 was an "inside job" is just a fantasy cherished by you and a small army of other demented crackpots.
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  57. peterAUS says:
    @Kevin C.

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?
     
    Because you have to have the "requisite qualifications" for the job, which means in practice the right credential showing your attendance at the requisite left-wing indoctrination in academia. Any applicant who is not already a "swamp creature" shall be dismissed as "unqualified".

    There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House.
     
    Except for the fact that "the Swamp" has more power than the White House.

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington
     
    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the "Bonus Army"? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn't say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down "insurrection" and "rebellion", which is what such a "descent upon Washington" would be classed as.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can't get rid of them by voting, and we can't get rid of them by violence.

    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the “Bonus Army”? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn’t say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down “insurrection” and “rebellion”, which is what such a “descent upon Washington” would be classed as.

    Ah.
    Yeah.
    Especially when most of combat arms personnel have same/similar viewpoint and, most likely, come from the same states.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can’t get rid of them by voting, and we can’t get rid of them by violence.

    Do you really want to talk about that?
    I can start, we’ll debate and then we’ll hit the ceiling on “open” Internet.
    Maybe email address would suffice.

    Anyway, that’s what

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Committee_on_the_State_of_Emergency

    these guys thought in Soviet Union.

    I guess that members of US military would do even better.
    But, then, I am NOT an American.

    As for the practicalities of the game (drain the Swamp), how about this:
    The post meant for Intelligent Dasein , but anyway.

    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    So, here we have a conundrum.
    An idiot talking about serious things. It can’t be taken seriously. At least that’s how Americans treat experiences, opinions, suggestions and what not from the rest of the world. Especially from those…..little…little fellows from the middle of nowhere.
    Being exceptional, Americans I mean, they can’t get any value from those little little guys. The very guys who played this, POWER EXCHANGE game throughout their history lasting for more than 1000 years. Can’t compare it to the accumulated expertise on that matter with Americans. With 200 years or so.

    Anyway.

    This is how a President who wanted to drain Swamp in that tiny tiny country in the middle of nowhere (from now on TTCiN…) did it.
    The President got the Presidency. A mate of his, who was a direct link to his power base, was given an advisory role, like “President Advisor” or similar. Title didn’t matter. The power did. That guy had his own links with the power base. And he and the President, in essence, ruled TTCiN. Before any serious decision The Advisor would consult, via that network, the power base. Small country, easy you’d say. True. Big country with today’s technology even easier I guess.
    If the Advisor (a man with vast real life experience and total feel for the power base) felt that the base wouldn’t like it he’d tell the President. 9 times of 10 that would be heeded. Only when it wasn’t heeded was when The Big Guys wanted something from TTCiN. But, that was always, again, told, straight, to the power base. Always…..keep……..the……power……..base………informed. And…….listen……….to…….it.
    Call it rule 1.

    The first move by those two and some other mates of theirs, was to replace ALL top guys in country administration. True, easy in those TTCiNs than in US, but, still……
    Start with Intelligence Community, then Armed Forces, then Internal Security, then Foreign Policy. All……..of………..them………….
    All those guys who replaced the top guys were accepted by the power base. Or, the power base didn’t have anything against them. Rule 1 all the time.
    Then, those top guys made huge changes in all their departments; in essence brought up their own people. Pure cull of the system. Worked smooth. Plenty of competent people around at the time. Just pick up those you TRUST.
    For example, ALL President support people were replaced with new people. All….of….them…..From top bodyguard to gardener.

    One rule and method: I am a top guy-7 guys under me at the moment-replace 5 of them with guys I TRUST; the remaining 2 must be so good it hurts and they always know they can be replaced in instant.
    Then, those 7 guys do the same (those 2 from the previous team do it with a help from one from the new team);then……step below…..step below…….to, say, in military, a battalion commander.
    From then on a “leak” is easy to find and deal with.

    Maybe next time?

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    Good strategy. And it could have worked. But Trump was a fool and put his enemies in power.
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  58. El Dato says:
    @Kevin C.
    For further on the nature of "rallies", especially right-wing ones, in modern America, I shall quote Michael Perilloux writing over at Social Matter, who phrases it much more eloquently than I could:

    1. A rally is a big target that requires serious alignment to go well. It’s not difficult for the police, provocateurs, and counter-protesters to make a big chaotic mess of it. Given a big chaotic mess, it’s not hard for the Cathedral to put whatever spin they like on it and find plenty of heart-wrenching details to promote. We see the result.
    2. The rally coalition in question was a big tent. There was no control over who was there representing the alt-right, so plenty of unsavory characters showed up to embarass the rest. The chaos tended to involve these fringe members of the coalition. We can see that it was these edge-cases that the media is exploiting the most in their narrative about “Nazis and KKK.”
    3. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a free country. It is ruled by a very powerful elite network loosely organized around progressive ideology, which will do whatever it needs to to crush or neutralize political opponents. You have effectively no political rights, no free speech, no right to assemble. There is no undiscriminating “public” infrastructure; your right to participate in America is contingent on your acquiescence to the progressive ideological consensus that controls all infrastructure. You might even say that America is a communist country, or if we want to be pedantic, a “progressive” country, meant in exactly the same way.
    4. This central progressive coalition is good at, and has no qualms about, using the police and antifa to start riots that can be spun in a direction favorable to them and exploiting a news cycle to push their agenda in a semi-coordinated way behind the scenes. This is why the protest went horribly wrong, and how a lot of the subsequent reaction was coordinated; they made it happen because it was within their power. And it benefited them.
    5. The alt-right bought civics class lies about free political expression, about peaceful protest being possible, let alone effective, and about it being possible for an underdog to take on the agenda of power and win, just by being dedicated and right. A movement constituted on these untruths will always lose, unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle, who cover for it and use it to their advantage. But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons, because it has gotten itself into a fight with power and doubled down, a fight which no sane person and especially no powerful patron, even one who supports the ideals, wants a part of.
     
    Later:

    In this framework, the situation behind the alt-right is this: the elite consensus in our society has mostly alienated normal white people, especially traditionally-minded white men, who are thus becoming hostile to the elite consensus. This is dangerous in a democracy, so those white men must be replaced or otherwise neutralized to maintain elite power. Otherwise, the elite has to deal with consequences like Trump. It would be easier to control an assorted mass of degenerate and deracinated brown people, so that’s what elite power is generally buying these days: brown immigrants and demoralization. The ugly future produced by this dynamic is a tragic outcome for all, but such is the logic of democracy.

    It is particularly tragic for those “white males” who have become politically obsolete. Naturally, they try to organize and oppose. Hence the alt-right. But that opposition, especially abrasive confrontational opposition, is itself the motivation for the crushing. As the model predicts, this Charlottesville incident is being used as further justification for the acceleration of what the alt-right calls “white genocide”.

    The strategic approach the alt-right took in Charlottesville, which to be fair to them is the mainstream theory of politics advanced by modern society, is the view of politics as conflict, especially through symbolic activism. To accomplish political ends, you are supposed to go out and protest and “fight” for your marginalized group. If you “fight” well, you get some slice of favor from the system and are allowed to flourish. So, the alt-right went out and “fought”. We saw the result.

    The first rule of conflict is that you don’t pick direct fights with players who are bigger than you and have more allies in the fight. The alt-right directly challenged the system, which by definition has the most allies, and predictably lost.
     

    Rallies work as an expression of power arising from possession of elite backing, not as a means of obtaining that elite backing. And the Iron Law of Oligarchy always holds; only elites matter.

    This text is at

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/09/14/lessons-charlottesville-power-dynamics-strategy/

    and wow DuckDuckGo made me “unsafe” my search to actually get the results.

    The Alt-Right-onomicon has been opened.

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  59. LauraMR says:
    @Stan d Mute

    The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.
     
    Maybe it's all the people who never experienced nature who fail to see the relationship between bait and rodents. Leave food around and you'll get mice, cockroaches, etc. Entice illegals with jobs and welfare and you'll get illegals.

    But whenever I make this same suggestion, as I've been doing for at least three decades, the looks of incomprehension and horror I get from whites are telling. "Put my (daddy, uncle, cousin, or friend) in prison for hiring illegals?" Oh no! It's the illegals who must be punished, not those who masterminded the criminal conspiracy to entice them here..

    The elites are the problem. They invite and protect the illegals. The elites in religious mythologies, business, academia, and government are ALL on the side of subsuming America under an African and mestizo tidal wave. On our side there is A wealthy ophthalmologist and some pundits.

    If by “elites” you mean ancient aliens, you are 100% correct.

    It is not difficult to find who is hiring illegals. I invite you to look into it.

    And drop the racist nonsense. It helps no one, least yourself.

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  60. pyrrhus says:
    @Anonymous
    Time to get real about Trump and his crew in the White House:

    Team Trump has nothing but contempt for the base.

    Team Trump has no real respect Trump voters.

    Team Trump is obsessed with elite (Manhattan) status and no other status matters.

    ...So the logical conclusion is the beatings will continue until morale improves.

    If DACA passes Congress, Trump won’t be around after the 2020 elections, and many Congress critters voting for it won’t be either….As an AZ voter, unless the Dems nominate someone like Booker, Trump will not carry AZ if the base is pissed off…

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  61. Travis says:

    it is sad to watch Trump embrace amnesty…He has been lying about DACA since the campaign, he could have eliminated DACA in January, or allowed the courts to rule on it.

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall along our southern border he may get a pass from some.

    we need immigration reform, congress needs to reduce Legal immigration back below 700,000 per year and build the wall in order to save America.

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    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall

    It is not a bad idea. It would allow Trump to save his face. But the wall is the red herring and always was. Enforce and impose new penalties on employers for hiring illegals and this will render the wall superfluous. Trump never ever broached the subject of business people responsibility for illegal immigrants (illegal border crossers and visa overstayers). And then pass the law reducing the legal immigration. It is simple like that. But it will never happen. People voted for Trump because of immigration but Trump was not selected to be elected because of immigration.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall along our southern border he may get a pass from some.
     
    No, Travis, don't get suckered into their game. No freakin' deals, as the OTHER SIDE WILL NOT HONOR ANYTHING - they have no honor. Ronald Reagan learned that after the fact.

    Secondly, do you know that that $15 billion is chump change for the Feral Gov't? It is less than 1 day out of the year's spending, and that's based on our "representatives" putting in 8 hour days 5 days a week! (The budget is $4,000 billion yearly.). Not only that, but note that $15 billion job means just about $10,000,000 per mile or so of border than needs to be fenced (not the whole thing, as there are impassible areas. Compare that 10 million/mile to interstate highway construction, keeping in mind that interstates must more often be built where people live, hence there are land costs.

    The price of a secure border is a PITTANCE - let's get that straight right now. It's not about the money!

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  62. utu says:
    @Kevin C.
    For further on the nature of "rallies", especially right-wing ones, in modern America, I shall quote Michael Perilloux writing over at Social Matter, who phrases it much more eloquently than I could:

    1. A rally is a big target that requires serious alignment to go well. It’s not difficult for the police, provocateurs, and counter-protesters to make a big chaotic mess of it. Given a big chaotic mess, it’s not hard for the Cathedral to put whatever spin they like on it and find plenty of heart-wrenching details to promote. We see the result.
    2. The rally coalition in question was a big tent. There was no control over who was there representing the alt-right, so plenty of unsavory characters showed up to embarass the rest. The chaos tended to involve these fringe members of the coalition. We can see that it was these edge-cases that the media is exploiting the most in their narrative about “Nazis and KKK.”
    3. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a free country. It is ruled by a very powerful elite network loosely organized around progressive ideology, which will do whatever it needs to to crush or neutralize political opponents. You have effectively no political rights, no free speech, no right to assemble. There is no undiscriminating “public” infrastructure; your right to participate in America is contingent on your acquiescence to the progressive ideological consensus that controls all infrastructure. You might even say that America is a communist country, or if we want to be pedantic, a “progressive” country, meant in exactly the same way.
    4. This central progressive coalition is good at, and has no qualms about, using the police and antifa to start riots that can be spun in a direction favorable to them and exploiting a news cycle to push their agenda in a semi-coordinated way behind the scenes. This is why the protest went horribly wrong, and how a lot of the subsequent reaction was coordinated; they made it happen because it was within their power. And it benefited them.
    5. The alt-right bought civics class lies about free political expression, about peaceful protest being possible, let alone effective, and about it being possible for an underdog to take on the agenda of power and win, just by being dedicated and right. A movement constituted on these untruths will always lose, unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle, who cover for it and use it to their advantage. But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons, because it has gotten itself into a fight with power and doubled down, a fight which no sane person and especially no powerful patron, even one who supports the ideals, wants a part of.
     
    Later:

    In this framework, the situation behind the alt-right is this: the elite consensus in our society has mostly alienated normal white people, especially traditionally-minded white men, who are thus becoming hostile to the elite consensus. This is dangerous in a democracy, so those white men must be replaced or otherwise neutralized to maintain elite power. Otherwise, the elite has to deal with consequences like Trump. It would be easier to control an assorted mass of degenerate and deracinated brown people, so that’s what elite power is generally buying these days: brown immigrants and demoralization. The ugly future produced by this dynamic is a tragic outcome for all, but such is the logic of democracy.

    It is particularly tragic for those “white males” who have become politically obsolete. Naturally, they try to organize and oppose. Hence the alt-right. But that opposition, especially abrasive confrontational opposition, is itself the motivation for the crushing. As the model predicts, this Charlottesville incident is being used as further justification for the acceleration of what the alt-right calls “white genocide”.

    The strategic approach the alt-right took in Charlottesville, which to be fair to them is the mainstream theory of politics advanced by modern society, is the view of politics as conflict, especially through symbolic activism. To accomplish political ends, you are supposed to go out and protest and “fight” for your marginalized group. If you “fight” well, you get some slice of favor from the system and are allowed to flourish. So, the alt-right went out and “fought”. We saw the result.

    The first rule of conflict is that you don’t pick direct fights with players who are bigger than you and have more allies in the fight. The alt-right directly challenged the system, which by definition has the most allies, and predictably lost.
     

    Rallies work as an expression of power arising from possession of elite backing, not as a means of obtaining that elite backing. And the Iron Law of Oligarchy always holds; only elites matter.

    Could you post the link to the article you citing? It seems to be very good.

    unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle… But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons

    Many of alt-rightist think that by allying themselves with the hard core Zionists will give them indemnity and access to vast financial resources of Zionist money (like Mercer family for Bannon and Breitbart). Marine Le Pen succeeded to some extent (minus the money) doing this by cutting off from the tradition of her father’s party. Muslim immigration and various terrorist attacks of dubious provenience serve the purpose of turning the traditionally Jew-skeptic (anti-semitic) right to being pro Zionist. The question is whether you can make a deal with a more powerful and richer sponsor? Who ends up using whom? In this arrangement alt-right at best may hope to get the status of Evangelical Christians. Do Evangelical Christians have any accomplishments in the culture war in exchange for doing the heavy lifting on behalf of Israel and Jews? The only accomplishment of HBD crowd like Sailer, Murray, Derbyshire is spreading and imprinting the meme that Jews are smarter and thus rightfully deserving the top caste position in the Western society. So the resistance is futile. That’s why they are tolerated and some meager funds trickle down to them. Useful idiots are useful so you cultivate their idiocy.

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  63. El Dato says:
    @Kevin C.
    For further on the nature of "rallies", especially right-wing ones, in modern America, I shall quote Michael Perilloux writing over at Social Matter, who phrases it much more eloquently than I could:

    1. A rally is a big target that requires serious alignment to go well. It’s not difficult for the police, provocateurs, and counter-protesters to make a big chaotic mess of it. Given a big chaotic mess, it’s not hard for the Cathedral to put whatever spin they like on it and find plenty of heart-wrenching details to promote. We see the result.
    2. The rally coalition in question was a big tent. There was no control over who was there representing the alt-right, so plenty of unsavory characters showed up to embarass the rest. The chaos tended to involve these fringe members of the coalition. We can see that it was these edge-cases that the media is exploiting the most in their narrative about “Nazis and KKK.”
    3. Contrary to popular belief, America is not a free country. It is ruled by a very powerful elite network loosely organized around progressive ideology, which will do whatever it needs to to crush or neutralize political opponents. You have effectively no political rights, no free speech, no right to assemble. There is no undiscriminating “public” infrastructure; your right to participate in America is contingent on your acquiescence to the progressive ideological consensus that controls all infrastructure. You might even say that America is a communist country, or if we want to be pedantic, a “progressive” country, meant in exactly the same way.
    4. This central progressive coalition is good at, and has no qualms about, using the police and antifa to start riots that can be spun in a direction favorable to them and exploiting a news cycle to push their agenda in a semi-coordinated way behind the scenes. This is why the protest went horribly wrong, and how a lot of the subsequent reaction was coordinated; they made it happen because it was within their power. And it benefited them.
    5. The alt-right bought civics class lies about free political expression, about peaceful protest being possible, let alone effective, and about it being possible for an underdog to take on the agenda of power and win, just by being dedicated and right. A movement constituted on these untruths will always lose, unless it has very powerful elite patrons operating on some other principle, who cover for it and use it to their advantage. But the alt-right has no serious elite patrons, because it has gotten itself into a fight with power and doubled down, a fight which no sane person and especially no powerful patron, even one who supports the ideals, wants a part of.
     
    Later:

    In this framework, the situation behind the alt-right is this: the elite consensus in our society has mostly alienated normal white people, especially traditionally-minded white men, who are thus becoming hostile to the elite consensus. This is dangerous in a democracy, so those white men must be replaced or otherwise neutralized to maintain elite power. Otherwise, the elite has to deal with consequences like Trump. It would be easier to control an assorted mass of degenerate and deracinated brown people, so that’s what elite power is generally buying these days: brown immigrants and demoralization. The ugly future produced by this dynamic is a tragic outcome for all, but such is the logic of democracy.

    It is particularly tragic for those “white males” who have become politically obsolete. Naturally, they try to organize and oppose. Hence the alt-right. But that opposition, especially abrasive confrontational opposition, is itself the motivation for the crushing. As the model predicts, this Charlottesville incident is being used as further justification for the acceleration of what the alt-right calls “white genocide”.

    The strategic approach the alt-right took in Charlottesville, which to be fair to them is the mainstream theory of politics advanced by modern society, is the view of politics as conflict, especially through symbolic activism. To accomplish political ends, you are supposed to go out and protest and “fight” for your marginalized group. If you “fight” well, you get some slice of favor from the system and are allowed to flourish. So, the alt-right went out and “fought”. We saw the result.

    The first rule of conflict is that you don’t pick direct fights with players who are bigger than you and have more allies in the fight. The alt-right directly challenged the system, which by definition has the most allies, and predictably lost.
     

    Rallies work as an expression of power arising from possession of elite backing, not as a means of obtaining that elite backing. And the Iron Law of Oligarchy always holds; only elites matter.

    Holy damn, this must be a collaborative work of Lenin and Salvor Hardin.

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  64. @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    That was quite the impassioned response.

    Some of the appointments raised red flags, Goldman Sachs and Establishment figures – but I waited to see.

    I felt ill when Trump lobbed the missiles at the Syrian air base. After the fake news chemical attack.

    I did not buy into the 4-D chess line, and soon enough Trump showed he was in for regime change or at least partitioning Syria, either one a war crime.

    You have to indict Hillary or else there is no rule of law in this country. It is probably the most important prosecution in American history. Not just her, but McCain too and anyone else who does not turn on the deep state now. The Awan spy ring is connected to Weiner, Huma, and Hillary. She didn’t just commit felonies with classified information. It is espionage, which has no statute of limitations.

    The corruption and blackmail is so thorough that Congress is the captive of the deep state. Trump, he’s off the reservation. He was a real wild card, coming in without the political pedigree, never elected to anything. So now we know.

    We’re down to “better than Hillary” now. Fewer new regulations. He’s undone executive orders Obama signed.

    But not the hope and change we were asking for.

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  65. There should be a condition called “political innumeracy.” With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called “fake news.”

    Finally, “”Let justice be done” invariably means “to people I don’t like.” For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

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    Mr. Reed;

    I did move to Mexico, after retirement from the military. By comparison, I was paying 300 dls, a month on electricity in the Phoenix area, in AZ. Here in MX, my last electric bill, (it covers two months), was 369 pesos, or about $21 dls or, about 10.50 per month. My water bill in AZ is about 150 dls a month! Here I pay 279 pesos, or about 16 dollars every 4 months! mmmm. 4 dls a month. Not bad. So I don't understand all that crying about deportations! As it was said, Mexico is fat, and a fat country is not poor. I was deployed to Africa and man, they are poor! Mexico is not, since i believe its the 11th largest economy in the world! Not poor, as portrayed in the MSM., Believe me, I live it every day here in the Jalisco state, in Mexico.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Talk about your genetic deficiencies (sorry, James Dickey reference), I mean your innumeracy. Dude, 150 ex-Greyhound buses could take those 8,000 in ONE DAY. Say, 25 hours round-trip (may not be near the border) on average at a nice charter rate of $300/hr each (put it out for bids and you'll get much less, due to volume) putting it at ~ million bucks/day. Work only weekdays, so 20 days/month gets all those "kids" down to the Old Country within 1/2 year tops at about $100,000,000. Quadruple that because the US government is involved, and you get $400 million. See, easy for my estimate.

    Fred, do you really want to know how much time it takes for the US Feral Gov't to spend that money, on average?
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    400 million / 4,000,000 million. x 200 days/year ~ = 1/50 day (I'm doing this in my head), so that's about 10 minutes of spending - not subracting the bathroom breaks, sex with gay interns, lobbying time, giving bj's to the donors, etc. All that stuff takes time, man.

    Still reckon you're the numerate one, Fred?

    Oh, I forgot, all those calculations are meaningless, because as soon as the buses get rolling and have done this for a week, the rest will make plans, arrange accommodations for Old Mexico, and Vamoose. It's called Self-Deportation. It might have been censored out of Wiki and the dictionaries, but that's the word anyway.

    I don't want to hear this "we don't have enough buses" BS anymore on unz.

    , @Bragadocious
    Once again Fred Reed gets it all wrong, on purpose.

    His 1/57 figure is designed to represent an imagined pogrom affecting all people of Spanish descent in the United States. Not illegal immigrants.

    Fred does this all the time. It's what liberals do. They conflate a bad thing (illegal immigrants) with a good thing (naturalized citizens who followed the rules) while turning everything into race. The goal is to smear, but all it does it expose them as ham-fisted liars.

    And he has the nerve to whine about innumeracy and fake news?

    By the way, I would defend a legal citizen of Spanish descent over an Irish illegal bartender any day of the week. Put that in your pipe, Fred Reed.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months.
     
    No, it would require deporting 80,000 a month for ten months. This is entirely within the ability of the U.S. government, which routinely moves whole carrier task-forces and infantry brigades around the globe. It could be done by a government with the will to do it. I agree with you that our government, as it stands now, is probably not that government.
    , @Alden
    It would be sub sub contractors far removed from Trump who used the illegals, if indeed illegals were used on the high rises hotels etc buildings Trump built.

    Illegals build single family homes, small apartment and condo buildings, mini malls etc.

    But skilled tradesmen are needed for the kind of buildings Trump built. Skilled workers know the local codes, don't need supervision to learn on the job. Sub sub janitor contractors probably hire illegal janitors, but you can be sure only the contractors, not Trump hired and paid the illegals.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Allan Wall, a long-term writer (since I've been reading ~ 15 years) at VDare, lived in Mexico for a decade or so. His column was called "Memo from Mexico" when he lived down there, and now it's "Memo from Middle America" now that he and his family live in America again - I guess in the middle, I dunno.

    Now, Mr. Wall doesn't always write the same stuff as the others, and he has more of an affinity for the Mexicans than, perhaps the average regular VDare writer. However, it's still the same truth about illegal and legal immigration as the rest there on VDare. They are a professional outfit, and each writer has his own expertise. I swear they published some articles of yours before, didn't they?

    Hey, Fred, where'd you get the 12 million number anyway? I come up with 20-25 million based on my own rectal extraction method. It's as good as yours.

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  66. utu says:
    @Travis
    it is sad to watch Trump embrace amnesty...He has been lying about DACA since the campaign, he could have eliminated DACA in January, or allowed the courts to rule on it.

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall along our southern border he may get a pass from some.

    we need immigration reform, congress needs to reduce Legal immigration back below 700,000 per year and build the wall in order to save America.

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall

    It is not a bad idea. It would allow Trump to save his face. But the wall is the red herring and always was. Enforce and impose new penalties on employers for hiring illegals and this will render the wall superfluous. Trump never ever broached the subject of business people responsibility for illegal immigrants (illegal border crossers and visa overstayers). And then pass the law reducing the legal immigration. It is simple like that. But it will never happen. People voted for Trump because of immigration but Trump was not selected to be elected because of immigration.

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  67. Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —

    Well, Sr, I believe that once these people are done with, they will become just another ‘used and discarded’ group. I grew up watching how evil and cruel etc, the Germans were, and how evil and cunning the Russians were. In history channel, etc, all they show in their ‘wars’ reports, and documentaries.

    Once after so many years of brain washed by those shows, by the MSM, I am so thankful that I rid my self of the addiction of TV watching! I saw the greatest story never told, and what happened in Dresden! That opened my eyes, to the deceiving of the MSM. We never show our evil and cunning, and all else. Now I can say that this biblical passage fits us just fine!

    “Their feet swift to shed blood (killing civilians in Afg, and Syria, etc), Destruction, misery in their ways, and the way of peace have they not known, (since our founding, we are at war almost always), There is not fear of God before their eyes.
    Romans 3:15-18.

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  68. @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    Mr. Reed;

    I did move to Mexico, after retirement from the military. By comparison, I was paying 300 dls, a month on electricity in the Phoenix area, in AZ. Here in MX, my last electric bill, (it covers two months), was 369 pesos, or about $21 dls or, about 10.50 per month. My water bill in AZ is about 150 dls a month! Here I pay 279 pesos, or about 16 dollars every 4 months! mmmm. 4 dls a month. Not bad. So I don’t understand all that crying about deportations! As it was said, Mexico is fat, and a fat country is not poor. I was deployed to Africa and man, they are poor! Mexico is not, since i believe its the 11th largest economy in the world! Not poor, as portrayed in the MSM., Believe me, I live it every day here in the Jalisco state, in Mexico.

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    Mr. Middle, I've heard the same figure of 11th richest country, whatever that measurement was, GDP per capita or what-have-you.

    To you and Fred Reed though, I would say this: I am glad you are living a nice ex-patriate lifestyle. It's something many single men (especially) who are sick of the rat race here have probably thought about. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are some good things about Mexico and other Latin American countries in particular due to lack of energy basically to really enforce the police state that may exist on paper.

    The money is another story, guys. As I wrote in long post about the Banana Republics, as sung by Jimmy Buffet, the life is good there because the US dollar is still strong. It will NOT always be that way, so be ready. Keep your savings in various forms, property, other currencies, whatever, but it's gonna be a bad scene when those pension checks, SS money etc. denominated in US dollars don't buy a lot more than the same in pesos.

    I just think that is coming. It might be nicer not to worry about it, and just take your Siesta at the usual time. Hey, BTW, relating to your comment, I wonder if those DREAMERS saved up any money?
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  69. Logan says:
    @attilathehen
    " moving from one country to another is no hardship. I myself have done it half a dozen times" Derbyshire move you, your imported Chinese wife and Chinese offspring to China. It's no hardship and would be great for the USA. Your wife and daughter were Obummer voters. Set the example for the DACA illegals.

    John is himself imported, FYI.

    He and the lovely Mrs. Derb are both naturalized citizens. Their children are native-born citizens of this country.

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    I wouldn't bother. She's an hasbara troll.
    , @attilathehen
    That's why I said that he has to go along with the Chinese family. His offspring will go with them, Chinese values and all that you know.
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  70. @Travis
    it is sad to watch Trump embrace amnesty...He has been lying about DACA since the campaign, he could have eliminated DACA in January, or allowed the courts to rule on it.

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall along our southern border he may get a pass from some.

    we need immigration reform, congress needs to reduce Legal immigration back below 700,000 per year and build the wall in order to save America.

    If the Dreamer Act requires the Dreamers to pay a $7,500 fine in order to remain in the United States and the $15 billion collected from the fines was used to finance the construction of a wall along our southern border he may get a pass from some.

    No, Travis, don’t get suckered into their game. No freakin’ deals, as the OTHER SIDE WILL NOT HONOR ANYTHING – they have no honor. Ronald Reagan learned that after the fact.

    Secondly, do you know that that $15 billion is chump change for the Feral Gov’t? It is less than 1 day out of the year’s spending, and that’s based on our “representatives” putting in 8 hour days 5 days a week! (The budget is $4,000 billion yearly.). Not only that, but note that $15 billion job means just about $10,000,000 per mile or so of border than needs to be fenced (not the whole thing, as there are impassible areas. Compare that 10 million/mile to interstate highway construction, keeping in mind that interstates must more often be built where people live, hence there are land costs.

    The price of a secure border is a PITTANCE – let’s get that straight right now. It’s not about the money!

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  71. Logan says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    Check out these mug shots, of the LAPD’s most wanted cockroaches.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
     
    OK. I did. Random checks reveal most of them are described as of hispanic descent. What do you expect in a city with a hispanic name? That does *not* mean they are Mexican. As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted. Having grown up in Los Angeles, I always felt that us anglos were a minority. It was and is very common in LA for parents to respect tradition by teaching their children Spanish at home, and having them learn English in the schools.

    So let's take a look at the first ten of the most wanted (excluding unnamed bank robbers). Eight are labeled as "hispanic descent" which in LA means hispanic surname. This includes natives as well as people from all over central and South America, true Spanish, and Sephardic Jews. Not a single one of them is a Mexican national. One is Armenian descent, and another Iranian. None of them have anything to do with DACA. One of the crimes is nine years old; all the others are more than ten years cold.

    So what to people in LA do if they are hispanic, speak Spanish, and do something really stupid? They flee to Mexico and get lost as two of these are known to have done. So we have all these cold cases that have nothing to do with DACA or immigration. The reality is that we export our criminals to Mexico, and they export theirs here. Not so many years ago criminals escaped retribution for serious crimes by simply moving to another state. We didn't build walls around every state.

    The solution is more bilateral cooperation, not an iron curtain through the middle of North America.

    As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted.

    Not sure where you got this number. US Census for 1850 was 92,000, though Indians weren’t counted. 25,000 of that number were Spanish speaking.

    A state census in 1852 counted 260,000 with 24,000 being Indians. This time Spanish speaking weren’t counted.

    The population didn’t hit 500,000 till probably the late 1860s.

    http://explore.museumca.org/goldrush/curriculum/1stcalifornians/resourcesix.htm

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    Not sure where you got this number. US Census for 1850 was 92,000, though Indians weren’t counted. 25,000 of that number were Spanish speaking.

     

    The majority of the population was Indians. Much of the state had not been organized. The question of statehood did not even appear on the ballot in San Francisco, and the census data for San Francisco and most of the rest of the Bay Area is officially recorded as "lost".

    US census data did not accurately count the California population before 1900.
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  72. wayfarer says:
    @englishmike

    But no thanks, I’m just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I’m not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I’m okay with the life of a “loser.”
    I’m really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.
     
    You sound like someone who should write a book. Are you working on it?

    I appreciate the positive feedback, englishmike.

    As a matter of fact, I’ll soon be heading back to California.

    I plan to get a beach chair, a box of colored pens, lots of empty notebooks, and begin free writing.

    You see, this is what my soul’s requested. Although it’s the eleventh hour of my life, I’ve finally learned how to listen to my soul.

    Honestly it seems like writing, most likely flash fiction, is the only endeavor that will bring a measure of joy and purpose back into an ebbing life.

    Never done this before. Not expecting any money. Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.

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    Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.
     
    Good to hear that. I'm sure it would.

    If the fiction doesn't work out, definitely try something autobiographical. Possibly a collection of shorter autobiographical pieces.? Or a mixture of fiction and non-fiction pieces?

    I'm already committed to buying your first publication, whatever it is. And reviewing it on Amazon UK and .com.

    I'm "thinking past the sale".

    When a car salesperson trained in persuasion asks if you prefer the red Honda Civic or the Blue one, that is a trick called making you “think past the sale” and the idea is to make you engage on the question of color as if you have already decided to buy the car. That is Persuasion 101 and I have seen no one in the media point it out when Trump does it.

    Scott Adams' Blog.
    Clown Genius
    Posted August 13th, 2015
     
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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Logan
    John is himself imported, FYI.

    He and the lovely Mrs. Derb are both naturalized citizens. Their children are native-born citizens of this country.

    I wouldn’t bother. She’s an hasbara troll.

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    (((Anonymous))) there you go again. You're brown-knighting (Derb's Chinese wife is brown) Derb again.
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  74. @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    Talk about your genetic deficiencies (sorry, James Dickey reference), I mean your innumeracy. Dude, 150 ex-Greyhound buses could take those 8,000 in ONE DAY. Say, 25 hours round-trip (may not be near the border) on average at a nice charter rate of $300/hr each (put it out for bids and you’ll get much less, due to volume) putting it at ~ million bucks/day. Work only weekdays, so 20 days/month gets all those “kids” down to the Old Country within 1/2 year tops at about $100,000,000. Quadruple that because the US government is involved, and you get $400 million. See, easy for my estimate.

    Fred, do you really want to know how much time it takes for the US Feral Gov’t to spend that money, on average?
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    400 million / 4,000,000 million. x 200 days/year ~ = 1/50 day (I’m doing this in my head), so that’s about 10 minutes of spending – not subracting the bathroom breaks, sex with gay interns, lobbying time, giving bj’s to the donors, etc. All that stuff takes time, man.

    Still reckon you’re the numerate one, Fred?

    Oh, I forgot, all those calculations are meaningless, because as soon as the buses get rolling and have done this for a week, the rest will make plans, arrange accommodations for Old Mexico, and Vamoose. It’s called Self-Deportation. It might have been censored out of Wiki and the dictionaries, but that’s the word anyway.

    I don’t want to hear this “we don’t have enough buses” BS anymore on unz.

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  75. @anonymous
    LOL! Cute aren't they?

    Anyway, wayfarer, you may be a loser, but at least you are a white man. Just be thankful for that [cough], and feel glad that there are millions just like you.

    You should consider visiting third world countries where you can whore yourself for some selfies with the losers there, who will pass you off as there white BFF. Win/win for both.

    Another ignoramus thinking, that ‘whites’ ONLY came to the USA! what a dumb and ignorant mindset! Argentina is the whitest nation in South America, (third world you might say) ,Chile, Brazil, etc, millions of Europeans, back then without the influx of migrants, (some day Europeans will be brownish, with all those breeders new arrivals), arrived in what was called, the ‘new world”. So remove that ignorant mindset, Ukraine is a White nation, and look at it! So is Bulgaria, etc, Eastern Europe is way ‘whiter’ than the USA! and full of losers as you call them, who don’t care about pictures with a dumb down, fluoridated american!

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  76. prusmc says:
    @peterAUS

    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.
     
    A bit harsh, don’t you think?

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn’t fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?
     
    Great work. I mean it.

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The “4D-chess” meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?
     
    Would you, please, explain that a bit more?
    Namely, how was that communication done?
    By posting on al-right Internet Websites? Emailing Trump and/or his team? Using Twitter?

    I would expect that The Team Trump created a direct link with its support base, on a daily basis, and, essentially, exchanged information.
    Say, in a company, you create, within a mail system, a mailbox called, say, “Opinions and initiatives”/whatever. So any employee can post there, anonymously if necessary. And a member of Management team reads all that every day and acts on it. As directed by CEO.

    Now, in this, your, case, it would’ve been done on a much bigger, broader scale.
    Was anything like that tried by The Team Trump?


    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?
     
    Good for you. I mean that.
    So, could you please expand on this too?
    How was, in bit more detail, that job application system set up? Any feedback, for example? Any way of, say, discussing “rejections”?

    I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything. We’ve basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.
     
    Well, that’s my point precisely here. That I made bold.
    That’s obvious.
    All I am asking is, where any hints of that during the campaign?
    Or, more precisely, has anyone thought it could happen and tried to find a mechanism to prevent that?
    I do get that you guys tried hard and believed. I do.
    I am just wondering…..don’t you think you’ve been a bit too…….naive?
    Didn’t your Founding Fathers make it crystal clear about control of those in power?

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism—which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don’t tell me we haven’t and aren’t doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama’s panties, and if you have any sense you won’t show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.
     
    Well, not so sure about the last two sentences in this paragraph. Or at least the first. Second, well, one way to find out I guess.
    Do you guys have an Internet presence? That Nationalistic party?

    How was Ross Perot able to get on the ballot in 50 states in 1992 before Algore invented the internet? Perot had zero charism while Trump had a great deal but nobody voted for either of them on personality. People voted for them primarily to oppose somebody else; they may have bought into some or many of their ideas but that was an add-on.

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    How was Ross Perot able to get on the ballot in 50 states in 1992

    They made it harder since then. But it is possible that Perot was egged on by the part of Deep State that wanted Bush out because Bush committed several unpardonable sins: (1) Took seriously peace dividends and started dismantling military a bit, (2) Did not go to Bagdad when he could, (2) Pissed off the lobby when he confronted Yitzhak Shamir and threatened to hold money until they stop building new settlements.

    Then Perot had to be stopped when the Perot project was getting out of hand and gaining speed so Perot suspended his campaign. Once Perot was compromised with his erratic behavior so he would have no chance he was allowed to returned to make it sure that Bush would not win.

    Perot was to Bush what Teddy Roosevelt was to Taft in 1912. Then the Deep State wanted Wilson as in 1992 wanted Clinton.
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  77. @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    Hey, that has been a really interesting thread, I.D., as I read the replies and such already. I figured it’d be simpler to reply to you. I don’t say this often, but I agree with ALL of the people. Yeah, we have differences in hopes for what could happen, but all have good points.

    I didn’t do the work you did, I.D, but I know there are people that gave their all, considering work and family still have to come first. I went to rallies (with signs), talked to people who were worth talking to, and I’ve called representatives before, but I am not very good at keeping my cool during these phone calls.

    You are absolutely right that this Trump is one hell of a let-down and also with your point that we have tried to keep up our hopes up. Yeah, 4-D chess my ass, huh, more like a special-olympics version sack race, so far.

    Kevin C. I don’t agree completely with your idea that the forces allied against us are powerful as you think – remember affirmative action and government employee competency (I wrote about it here, here, and here – lots of humor in there, if you need that right now.). However, I appreciated your replies on this.

    utu, I read your excellent comment too and can’t say I disagree.

    However, maybe you all don’t follow the financial big picture, and maybe you do, but let me tell you: The coming economic crash is gonna’ change the picture on all this. Right now, people will not go near the extra mile our forefathers did in founding the country – they put their lives, fortunes, and honor on the line. People don’t now, partly because the forces against them seem strong, but mostly because they are still living pretty prosperously compared to people less than a century ago. Once the finances crash (because the numbers SAY THEY WILL) people will have less to lose.

    At that point, people may also realize what it means to stick together. Individuals who fight the powers now will get the Charlottesville anarcho-tyranny treatment (emphasis on the tyranny part for them). It doesn’t work on big united groups, though.

    We will definitely see.

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  78. lavoisier says: • Website
    @wayfarer
    Just a thought.

    I could start hawking heroin or crack or crystal on a filthy downtown street corner somewhere, build a substantial clientele of hepatitis infected rich-kid junkies, earn lots of dirty money, then waste it all in cigarette smoke filled rooms of drunk cheating gamblers, buy lots of dumb looking ganster bling, and sample a new hot-ass stripper each night.

    That might put me on the path of the “winners.”

    There are lots of self-serving pursuits in this world, which would enable me to redefine myself as one of society's “winners.”

    But no thanks, I'm just not into all the shallow stupid stuff. More importantly, I'm not into taking from others in order to get ahead in this world. I'm okay with the life of a “loser.”

    I'm really just interested seeking the truth, and trying to be of service-to-others, as I wander from one life to the next, in an infinite universe of unimaginable mysteries.

    https://www.hugi.is/media/contentimages/100402.jpg

    Good for you.

    I lived in a car for a time while I was in college. Some of the best times of my life.

    When you have nothing to lose, you are free.

    I agree with the sentiments. You are a natural writer.

    And a philosopher as well apparently.

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    Maybe in some future life we'll get to experience the pure freedom of a wild hawk.

    Lived in a VW panel van with a quiver of surf boards, while attending UCSD on the GI Bill.

    I'll sacrifice it all, to be free again.

    You'll never know just how much your kindhearted comments touched my wounded soul.

    Thank you so much, lavoisier.

    http://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/red-tailed-hawk-02-san-juan-islands-washington.jpg
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  79. @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    One more thing to Intelligent Dasein: Hey, it’s one hell of a let down, what has happened with this guy, but no matter what, you should keep in mind that you were very important in the process of ending any major power retained by the Hildabeast. OK, she might become a preacher, but that doesn’t bother me.

    You really were a big part of that, man. Whatever happens to our country now, it still will happen more slowly, and without our being under the scolding tongue of that sick bitch. I am no George Clooney, with the means to just leave America like it’s a trip to 6 flags, but I would seriously think about leaving. That would be not so much due to the impending hell, as it will happen either way – it would more be due to my disgust at my countrymen for voting in someone like that.

    (Yes, it WAS only a few votes, so it’s not like there were that many fewer countrymen voting for her than if she’d won, but it’s just the emotional sick feeling that I’d have had that Americans deserve the hell coming, but I sure don’t, and you too, I.D.)

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  80. lavoisier says: • Website
    @KenH
    I could go along with a form of DACA under certain conditions:

    1) The program ends after the 800,000 work visa and green card issuance. Not 800,001 and not the 3.2 millionth.
    2) DREAMers can never rise above status of legal status and will be barred from voting forever. If they attempt to it will result in swift deportation.
    3) DREAMers cannot chain migrate their families into the U.S.
    4) Any crimes committed by DREAMers will result in swift deportation.

    In exchange we get:
    1) An impenetrable, 40ft high Southern border wall.
    2) 10 year moratorium on all immigration making periodic exceptions for small numbers of highly skilled white Europeans.
    3) An end to accepting third world and Muslim refugees and to begin the process of repatriating them back to their countries of origin.

    This should be no problem for Mr. art of the deal.

    Wishful thinking, nothing more.

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    It's time to go big or go home. This is actually quite reasonable and achievable if not for the bribery and intimidation of Congress by Jewish billionaires (Zuckerberg, Adelson, Saban, etc.,) and pressure groups and gentile billionaires like the Koch brothers.
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  81. lavoisier says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    …and get slaughtered. You are familiar with what happened to the “Bonus Army”? Seventeen thousand WWI veterans, with their wives and families, marched on DC in 1932 to demand the money the government owed them. And what was the result? General Douglas MacArthur led Army infantry, cavalry, and tanks to drive them from DC.

    The Posse Comitatus Act doesn’t say no using the military on US soil at all; it is very much legal under the act for the military to be deployed to put down “insurrection” and “rebellion”, which is what such a “descent upon Washington” would be classed as.
     

    Ah.
    Yeah.
    Especially when most of combat arms personnel have same/similar viewpoint and, most likely, come from the same states.

    See my comments over on iSteve on the futility of peasant revolts, and the applicability to our modern situation and the realities of capital-intensive warfare and the end of the Age of the Gun, as to why no sort of revolt/rebellion/”second amendment solutions” has any chance of succeeding against USGOV. The Swamp, the Deep State, the Cathedral, whatever you call it, it is as secure against the American public as any medieval king or lord was against the miserable peasants. We can’t get rid of them by voting, and we can’t get rid of them by violence.
     
    Do you really want to talk about that?
    I can start, we'll debate and then we'll hit the ceiling on "open" Internet.
    Maybe email address would suffice.

    Anyway, that's what
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Committee_on_the_State_of_Emergency
    these guys thought in Soviet Union.

    I guess that members of US military would do even better.
    But, then, I am NOT an American.

    As for the practicalities of the game (drain the Swamp), how about this:
    The post meant for Intelligent Dasein , but anyway.


    You’re a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.
     
    So, here we have a conundrum.
    An idiot talking about serious things. It can’t be taken seriously. At least that’s how Americans treat experiences, opinions, suggestions and what not from the rest of the world. Especially from those…..little…little fellows from the middle of nowhere.
    Being exceptional, Americans I mean, they can’t get any value from those little little guys. The very guys who played this, POWER EXCHANGE game throughout their history lasting for more than 1000 years. Can’t compare it to the accumulated expertise on that matter with Americans. With 200 years or so.

    Anyway.

    This is how a President who wanted to drain Swamp in that tiny tiny country in the middle of nowhere (from now on TTCiN…) did it.
    The President got the Presidency. A mate of his, who was a direct link to his power base, was given an advisory role, like “President Advisor” or similar. Title didn’t matter. The power did. That guy had his own links with the power base. And he and the President, in essence, ruled TTCiN. Before any serious decision The Advisor would consult, via that network, the power base. Small country, easy you’d say. True. Big country with today’s technology even easier I guess.
    If the Advisor (a man with vast real life experience and total feel for the power base) felt that the base wouldn’t like it he’d tell the President. 9 times of 10 that would be heeded. Only when it wasn’t heeded was when The Big Guys wanted something from TTCiN. But, that was always, again, told, straight, to the power base. Always…..keep……..the……power……..base………informed. And…….listen……….to…….it.
    Call it rule 1.

    The first move by those two and some other mates of theirs, was to replace ALL top guys in country administration. True, easy in those TTCiNs than in US, but, still……
    Start with Intelligence Community, then Armed Forces, then Internal Security, then Foreign Policy. All……..of………..them………….
    All those guys who replaced the top guys were accepted by the power base. Or, the power base didn’t have anything against them. Rule 1 all the time.
    Then, those top guys made huge changes in all their departments; in essence brought up their own people. Pure cull of the system. Worked smooth. Plenty of competent people around at the time. Just pick up those you TRUST.
    For example, ALL President support people were replaced with new people. All….of….them…..From top bodyguard to gardener.

    One rule and method: I am a top guy-7 guys under me at the moment-replace 5 of them with guys I TRUST; the remaining 2 must be so good it hurts and they always know they can be replaced in instant.
    Then, those 7 guys do the same (those 2 from the previous team do it with a help from one from the new team);then……step below…..step below…….to, say, in military, a battalion commander.
    From then on a “leak” is easy to find and deal with.

    Maybe next time?

    Good strategy. And it could have worked. But Trump was a fool and put his enemies in power.

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    Too harsh on Trump, IMHO.

    Why the people from his (wider) team didn't, at least, take something like that into consideration?
    Bannon and such.
    He's a smart man in my book.

    Oversight?
    Naivety?

    You ARE aware that this could very well be the last chance to win by ballot?
    Demographics and the "Deep State" won't allow for repeating this, I am afraid.

    History doesn't forget this type of mistake.

    Oh, forgot, nobody today learns from history.
    Bummer.
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  82. utu says:
    @prusmc
    How was Ross Perot able to get on the ballot in 50 states in 1992 before Algore invented the internet? Perot had zero charism while Trump had a great deal but nobody voted for either of them on personality. People voted for them primarily to oppose somebody else; they may have bought into some or many of their ideas but that was an add-on.

    How was Ross Perot able to get on the ballot in 50 states in 1992

    They made it harder since then. But it is possible that Perot was egged on by the part of Deep State that wanted Bush out because Bush committed several unpardonable sins: (1) Took seriously peace dividends and started dismantling military a bit, (2) Did not go to Bagdad when he could, (2) Pissed off the lobby when he confronted Yitzhak Shamir and threatened to hold money until they stop building new settlements.

    Then Perot had to be stopped when the Perot project was getting out of hand and gaining speed so Perot suspended his campaign. Once Perot was compromised with his erratic behavior so he would have no chance he was allowed to returned to make it sure that Bush would not win.

    Perot was to Bush what Teddy Roosevelt was to Taft in 1912. Then the Deep State wanted Wilson as in 1992 wanted Clinton.

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  83. @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    Once again Fred Reed gets it all wrong, on purpose.

    His 1/57 figure is designed to represent an imagined pogrom affecting all people of Spanish descent in the United States. Not illegal immigrants.

    Fred does this all the time. It’s what liberals do. They conflate a bad thing (illegal immigrants) with a good thing (naturalized citizens who followed the rules) while turning everything into race. The goal is to smear, but all it does it expose them as ham-fisted liars.

    And he has the nerve to whine about innumeracy and fake news?

    By the way, I would defend a legal citizen of Spanish descent over an Irish illegal bartender any day of the week. Put that in your pipe, Fred Reed.

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  84. @Logan
    John is himself imported, FYI.

    He and the lovely Mrs. Derb are both naturalized citizens. Their children are native-born citizens of this country.

    That’s why I said that he has to go along with the Chinese family. His offspring will go with them, Chinese values and all that you know.

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  85. @Anonymous
    I wouldn't bother. She's an hasbara troll.

    (((Anonymous))) there you go again. You’re brown-knighting (Derb’s Chinese wife is brown) Derb again.

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  86. Wulf says:
    @LauraMR
    "Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800,000 Germans or Russians or—heaven help us! —white South Africans? Do you think?"

    This.

    Nonetheless, illegal immigration is a mess. The government (and the media) should start by going after the businesses that employ the illegals. Bring them down and then take on DACA or whatever.

    Understood so it’s all about racism.

    You haven’t figured it out yet. It’s poverty and culture, NOT racism.

    The actual issue with professional demonstrators, whiny babies, SJWs and “hate fighters” like yourself, BLM goons and other snowflakes is basically confusing racism with good ol’ classism.

    You ask an incomplete and simplistic question for starters:

    “Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800k to 1.5M Russians, Germans or Swedes? likely not, you conclude, therefore it must be all about racism.

    But what if there were already 10 to 20M Germans, Russians or Swedes illegaly here?

    What if Germany, Sweden or Russia were dangerous shitholes with high crime and insecurity like most of Mexico, South and Central America are today?

    What if Germany, Sweden and Russia had a laid back culture where corruption was rife -even among the police- like Mexico, and most of South and Central America have?

    What if, to top it off, the 800K to 1.5M belonged mostly to the lowest classes of Germans, Swedes and Russians (the famous gopniks), and therefore were, not only direct competition to US working (low and lower middle) class, but more prone to crime knowing as we do social class and the types of crimes that concerns everyone the most are related?

    Let us formulate that question again then, bringing the analogy closer to the DACA case:

    Do you think we’d be going through all this sturm und drang about DACA if the recipients were 800k to 1.5M low class Germans, Russians or Swedes, assuming there were already 10-20M of those Russians, Germans and Swedes in the US… and Russia, Germany and Sweden were shitholes with laid back cultures where corruption is widespread, like most of Mexico and Central and South America have, and to top it off they were part of the low or lower middle class here in the US, therefore being direct competition to the american working (low and lower middle) class full citizens?

    Of course we’d be going through that!

    oh, so you thought it was all about those pesky Mexicans not having blue eyes and blond hair? sorry to pop your bubble dear muppet!

    Do you think we’d be talking about this now, if those “brown” latinos were intellectual millionares, unlike our very own Gustavo “Pinche Güey” Arellano?

    Think again.

    There are plenty of people against Eastern European immigration in the UK, because not only is putting British workers out of a job, but also for being disproportionately overrepresented among petty thieves and pickpockets, as is the case with (gipsy) Bulgarians and Romanians.

    That was one of the main points of Brexit. Hilariously this very people were also smeared as racists by dim-wits such as yourself, although many of those Eastern Europeans have blue eyes and are blond.

    So let us drop the racist smearing silliness already.

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  87. @in the middle
    Mr. Reed;

    I did move to Mexico, after retirement from the military. By comparison, I was paying 300 dls, a month on electricity in the Phoenix area, in AZ. Here in MX, my last electric bill, (it covers two months), was 369 pesos, or about $21 dls or, about 10.50 per month. My water bill in AZ is about 150 dls a month! Here I pay 279 pesos, or about 16 dollars every 4 months! mmmm. 4 dls a month. Not bad. So I don't understand all that crying about deportations! As it was said, Mexico is fat, and a fat country is not poor. I was deployed to Africa and man, they are poor! Mexico is not, since i believe its the 11th largest economy in the world! Not poor, as portrayed in the MSM., Believe me, I live it every day here in the Jalisco state, in Mexico.

    Mr. Middle, I’ve heard the same figure of 11th richest country, whatever that measurement was, GDP per capita or what-have-you.

    To you and Fred Reed though, I would say this: I am glad you are living a nice ex-patriate lifestyle. It’s something many single men (especially) who are sick of the rat race here have probably thought about. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, there are some good things about Mexico and other Latin American countries in particular due to lack of energy basically to really enforce the police state that may exist on paper.

    The money is another story, guys. As I wrote in long post about the Banana Republics, as sung by Jimmy Buffet, the life is good there because the US dollar is still strong. It will NOT always be that way, so be ready. Keep your savings in various forms, property, other currencies, whatever, but it’s gonna be a bad scene when those pension checks, SS money etc. denominated in US dollars don’t buy a lot more than the same in pesos.

    I just think that is coming. It might be nicer not to worry about it, and just take your Siesta at the usual time. Hey, BTW, relating to your comment, I wonder if those DREAMERS saved up any money?

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  88. @wayfarer
    Worked plenty of blue-collar jobs in California, side-by-side with both legal and illegal Hispanics/Latins.

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there's a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.

    I've got no patience for, self-serving takers.

    "2017 is Turning into Bloodiest Year in History"
    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/13/stringers-2017-turning-bloodiest-year-history/

    “Drugs, Human Smuggling Thwarted by Customs and Border Protection”
    http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/29452-drugs-human-smuggling-thwarted-by-customs-border-protection

    Here in south Yuma Arizona, the management at the RV park that I'm temporarily staying in just issued a warning letter to its residents.

    “If you have anything of value outside that can be carried or ridden away it should be locked. I have talked with the police department a number of times and the problems we are having are occurring all over town.”

    It's not race, but poverty and greed that breeds crime.
    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Arizona/Yuma/Race-and-Ethnicity

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.

    Could you have it backward? Does poverty breed crime, or does crime breed poverty?

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    Damn good point.

    I'll go with your cagey point-of-view, “crime breeds poverty!”
    , @wayfarer
    Or should I say, damn good concept!
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  89. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    I see you never bothered to read much about Los Angeles history, or even look at Wiki before promoting confused ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles

    Roughly half the population of Los Angeles is Latino, up from 7.1% in 1940. That wanted list is over 85% Hispanic.

    Having lived in SoCal for years, it was rare to encounter a Mexican-American whose family arrived before World War II, and those speak no Spanish. It is impossible to find anyone who lived in LA since the 1950s say that mass immigration was a good thing. Parts of downtown LA are dangerous Spanish speaking third world disaster areas.

    I see you never bothered to read much about Los Angeles history, or even look at Wiki before promoting confused ideas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles

    Roughly half the population of Los Angeles is Latino, up from 7.1% in 1940. That wanted list is over 85% Hispanic.

    Having studied LA history in LA schools from local teachers, I don’t trust wikipedia on this point. My second grade teacher actually tried to expel me for not speaking Spanish.

    Over the years there has been a strong incentive to hide ancestry/origin in the area. Census questions are not answered correctly; often they are bewildering for someone unaccustomed to the distinctions of race in the rest of the country. It has been traditional for hispanics to just say they are white, but that is changing.

    When the Yankees came locals couldn’t make sense of racial questions. “White” was interpreted as “gente de razon”: someone who could speak Spanish or English (or even Chinese).

    Racial census data for the area is meaningless.

    Having lived in SoCal for years, it was rare to encounter a Mexican-American whose family arrived before World War II, and those speak no Spanish.

    Not to you, they wouldn’t. But say a few words in Spanish and see how that changes.

    It is impossible to find anyone who lived in LA since the 1950s say that mass immigration was a good thing. Parts of downtown LA are dangerous Spanish speaking third world disaster areas.

    There was no mass migration of the sort you imagine. Name a big city in this country that does not have dangerous areas.

    As I pointed out, that wanted list is for crimes committed more than ten years ago. These are the cold cases. Hispanics have an obvious advantage in disappearing in Mexico. Therefore the list has a higher number of hispanics than the population.

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  90. wayfarer says:
    @lavoisier
    Good for you.

    I lived in a car for a time while I was in college. Some of the best times of my life.

    When you have nothing to lose, you are free.

    I agree with the sentiments. You are a natural writer.

    And a philosopher as well apparently.

    Maybe in some future life we’ll get to experience the pure freedom of a wild hawk.

    Lived in a VW panel van with a quiver of surf boards, while attending UCSD on the GI Bill.

    I’ll sacrifice it all, to be free again.

    You’ll never know just how much your kindhearted comments touched my wounded soul.

    Thank you so much, lavoisier.

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  91. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Logan
    As I have pointed out in another thread the population of California was over half a million in 1850 when it was admitted.

    Not sure where you got this number. US Census for 1850 was 92,000, though Indians weren't counted. 25,000 of that number were Spanish speaking.

    A state census in 1852 counted 260,000 with 24,000 being Indians. This time Spanish speaking weren't counted.

    The population didn't hit 500,000 till probably the late 1860s.

    http://explore.museumca.org/goldrush/curriculum/1stcalifornians/resourcesix.htm

    Not sure where you got this number. US Census for 1850 was 92,000, though Indians weren’t counted. 25,000 of that number were Spanish speaking.

    The majority of the population was Indians. Much of the state had not been organized. The question of statehood did not even appear on the ballot in San Francisco, and the census data for San Francisco and most of the rest of the Bay Area is officially recorded as “lost”.

    US census data did not accurately count the California population before 1900.

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  92. wayfarer says:
    @North Carolina Resident
    Could you have it backward? Does poverty breed crime, or does crime breed poverty?

    Damn good point.

    I’ll go with your cagey point-of-view, “crime breeds poverty!”

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  93. wayfarer says:
    @North Carolina Resident
    Could you have it backward? Does poverty breed crime, or does crime breed poverty?

    Or should I say, damn good concept!

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  94. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @wayfarer
    Worked plenty of blue-collar jobs in California, side-by-side with both legal and illegal Hispanics/Latins.

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there's a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.

    I've got no patience for, self-serving takers.

    "2017 is Turning into Bloodiest Year in History"
    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/13/stringers-2017-turning-bloodiest-year-history/

    “Drugs, Human Smuggling Thwarted by Customs and Border Protection”
    http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/29452-drugs-human-smuggling-thwarted-by-customs-border-protection

    Here in south Yuma Arizona, the management at the RV park that I'm temporarily staying in just issued a warning letter to its residents.

    “If you have anything of value outside that can be carried or ridden away it should be locked. I have talked with the police department a number of times and the problems we are having are occurring all over town.”

    It's not race, but poverty and greed that breeds crime.
    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Arizona/Yuma/Race-and-Ethnicity

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there’s a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.

    Criminals swagger across in both directions. They export their criminals, and we export ours.

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.

    What about all those not-so-rich American citizens living in Mexico?

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    No doubt there are plenty of black market vultures, across the globe, functioning as unseen actors/players in Mexico's drug-cartel civil war. The illicit international hard drug trade is unfortunately just too lucrative, for all the mangy clans of black market vultures to ignore.

    “Advanced Israeli Drone May Spy on Mexican Drug Cartels”
    https://www.wired.com/2012/03/mexico-drones/

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zDH2CV3txBo/TY70xBcaJtI/AAAAAAAACGo/7GvHfJy3IiE/s1600/vulturey.jpg
    , @Bragadocious
    Who are these not so rich Americans living in Mexico? Do they traffic drugs, molest kids and drive drunk all over the place?

    Fact is, if Americans in Mexico behaved the way Mexicans do in the U.S., they'd be rounded up and disappeared, a lot like those 43 students who ended up in a shallow grave. And they know this.
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  95. tjm says:
    @Rex Little
    I've long suspected that Trump has no real interest in limiting immigration. As a private citizen, he benefitted--and will continue to benefit after he leaves office--from cheap labor as much as any other large business owner.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn't do, it's better than having Clinton in there. We'll have to content ourselves with that.

    That is ludicrous reasoning.

    When you have cancer, you don’t thank God you don’t have heart disease, you deal with the cancer.

    Clinton was never going to be President, it was always going to be Trump.

    The ONLY thing better than Clinton that Trump is Trump’s supporters, who might rise against Trump, like Clinton’s wouldn’t.

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  96. wayfarer says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there’s a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.
     
    Criminals swagger across in both directions. They export their criminals, and we export ours.

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.
     
    What about all those not-so-rich American citizens living in Mexico?

    No doubt there are plenty of black market vultures, across the globe, functioning as unseen actors/players in Mexico’s drug-cartel civil war. The illicit international hard drug trade is unfortunately just too lucrative, for all the mangy clans of black market vultures to ignore.

    “Advanced Israeli Drone May Spy on Mexican Drug Cartels”

    https://www.wired.com/2012/03/mexico-drones/

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  97. peterAUS says:
    @lavoisier
    Good strategy. And it could have worked. But Trump was a fool and put his enemies in power.

    Too harsh on Trump, IMHO.

    Why the people from his (wider) team didn’t, at least, take something like that into consideration?
    Bannon and such.
    He’s a smart man in my book.

    Oversight?
    Naivety?

    You ARE aware that this could very well be the last chance to win by ballot?
    Demographics and the “Deep State” won’t allow for repeating this, I am afraid.

    History doesn’t forget this type of mistake.

    Oh, forgot, nobody today learns from history.
    Bummer.

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  98. @wayfarer
    I appreciate the positive feedback, englishmike.

    As a matter of fact, I'll soon be heading back to California.

    I plan to get a beach chair, a box of colored pens, lots of empty notebooks, and begin free writing.

    You see, this is what my soul's requested. Although it's the eleventh hour of my life, I've finally learned how to listen to my soul.

    Honestly it seems like writing, most likely flash fiction, is the only endeavor that will bring a measure of joy and purpose back into an ebbing life.

    Never done this before. Not expecting any money. Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people's lives, in a good way.

    Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.

    Good to hear that. I’m sure it would.

    If the fiction doesn’t work out, definitely try something autobiographical. Possibly a collection of shorter autobiographical pieces.? Or a mixture of fiction and non-fiction pieces?

    I’m already committed to buying your first publication, whatever it is. And reviewing it on Amazon UK and .com.

    I’m “thinking past the sale”.

    When a car salesperson trained in persuasion asks if you prefer the red Honda Civic or the Blue one, that is a trick called making you “think past the sale” and the idea is to make you engage on the question of color as if you have already decided to buy the car. That is Persuasion 101 and I have seen no one in the media point it out when Trump does it.

    Scott Adams’ Blog.
    Clown Genius
    Posted August 13th, 2015

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    It's so amazing how one stranger's act of unconditional generosity and subtle guidance can function as a catalyst of favorable change, in another strangers life.

    You'll never know just how much your positive reinforcement has helped me.

    Honestly, your reply/comment was synchronicity at work. A thousand thanks, englishman!

    In return, here's a small gift for you.

    I believe she's an “indigo child.” Hope you enjoy her powerful performance. It brought tears to my eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU
    , @anonymous
    Correction: Honestly, your reply/comment was synchronicity at work. A thousand thanks, englishmike!
    , @wayfarer
    Strange, I sent that "correction" reply number 120.

    But somehow it was listed as a reply from "anonymous."

    Maybe the moderator can look into this.

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  99. KenH says:
    @lavoisier
    Wishful thinking, nothing more.

    It’s time to go big or go home. This is actually quite reasonable and achievable if not for the bribery and intimidation of Congress by Jewish billionaires (Zuckerberg, Adelson, Saban, etc.,) and pressure groups and gentile billionaires like the Koch brothers.

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    Nationalism is already dead. You just don't realize it.

    All that's left now is the last little reflexive lashing of the dying animal. Hillary would have been the coup de grace, but dying squealing and whimpering is okay too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSlaT2CNRKo
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  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @KenH
    It's time to go big or go home. This is actually quite reasonable and achievable if not for the bribery and intimidation of Congress by Jewish billionaires (Zuckerberg, Adelson, Saban, etc.,) and pressure groups and gentile billionaires like the Koch brothers.

    Nationalism is already dead. You just don’t realize it.

    All that’s left now is the last little reflexive lashing of the dying animal. Hillary would have been the coup de grace, but dying squealing and whimpering is okay too.

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    Maybe we should kill Jewish nationalism, too. Israel must globalize and begin importing black Africans and Muslim. Muslim rape gangs need to be unleashed upon young Jewish girls. Israeli's cities need to experience a black African violent crime spree.

    Israel is too Jewish, too staid and boring. It needs the richness and wonders that only racial diversity can bring!!
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  101. @Hu Mi Yu

    I love Mexico and the Mexican people. Unfortunately there’s a vast criminal element swaggering across the open border, which is contributing to a crime epidemic not only in Mexico but the U.S. as well.
     
    Criminals swagger across in both directions. They export their criminals, and we export ours.

    An open Mexico-U.S. border policy, only benefits two socioeconomic classes, the poor from Latin America and the rich within the U.S. As millions of American citizens take a fatal economic hit.
     
    What about all those not-so-rich American citizens living in Mexico?

    Who are these not so rich Americans living in Mexico? Do they traffic drugs, molest kids and drive drunk all over the place?

    Fact is, if Americans in Mexico behaved the way Mexicans do in the U.S., they’d be rounded up and disappeared, a lot like those 43 students who ended up in a shallow grave. And they know this.

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  102. Meanwhile, the issue of repealing birthright citizenship (if the concept ever actually existed within the law, to begin with) has been forgotten about. Where’s the logical coherence to building a border wall on the one hand, if on the other, we’re going to offer the greatest possible inducement to cross the border, i.e. the prospect of a better life for one’s children?

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    if the concept ever actually existed within the law, to begin with
     
    You can find more info on the historical roots of birthright citizenship if you look under the Latin term, jus soli. (You might want to start here.)

    An early form of jus soli dates from Cleisthenes' reforms of ancient Athenian law in the 6th century BC. It developed further in the Roman world, where citizenship was extended to all free inhabitants of the Roman Empire by the Edict of Caracalla in AD 212… Much later, the independence of the English colonies in America and the French Revolution in the late 18th century laid the foundations for jus soli… At the turn of the 19th century, nation-states commonly divided themselves between those granting nationality on the grounds of jus soli (France, for example) and those granting it on the grounds of jus sanguinis (for example, Germany before 1990).
     
    Also from that page:

    The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside".[28] The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes children born to foreign diplomats and children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.[29]
     
    See also US v. Wong Kim Ark,

    a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China", automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth…

    The case highlighted disagreements over the precise meaning of one phrase in the Citizenship Clause—namely, the provision that a person born in the United States who is subject to the jurisdiction thereof acquires automatic citizenship. The Supreme Court's majority concluded that this phrase referred to being required to obey U.S. law; on this basis, they interpreted the language of the Fourteenth Amendment in a way that granted U.S. citizenship to children born of foreigners on American soil (a concept known as jus soli), with only a limited set of exceptions mostly based in English common law…

    In the words of a 2007 legal analysis of events following the Wong Kim Ark decision, "The parameters of the jus soli principle, as stated by the court in Wong Kim Ark, have never been seriously questioned by the Supreme Court, and have been accepted as dogma by lower courts."
     
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  103. Corvinus says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    You're a blithering dumbfuck whose towering condescension is directly proportional to his own idiocy.

    Do you realize how many of us here gave large sums of money to the Trump campaign, to primary challengers like Nehlen and Ward, and even to the GOPe (so that the party wouldn't fold)? Do you realize how many of us campaigned, knocked on doors, answered phones, pounded the pavement on our scant free time? Are you aware of the all the tedious discussions we had with our families and friends, discussions which now redound to our great embarrassment, convincing them to vote for Trump?

    And when it became clear even in the very early days of the administration that Trump was out to sea with respect to the agenda that elected him, how many of us were here, day after day, insisting he be given the benefit of the doubt? The "4D-chess" meme was an early and fairly crude attempt in that direction, but it was by no means the only effort. Many of the comments we wrote can be seen as impassioned warnings for Trump not to do what he was doing. We warned him about Ryan, about Goldman Sachs, about Kushner. We warned him not to take credit for the phony stock market ramp which he earlier and rightly described as a big, ugly bubble. We warned him not to fall for the Syrian Gas Baby hoax, about the Saudis, about Israel. We have never believed for a moment the absurd fiction that Russia hacked the election, even as Trump seemed to determined to cook his own goose by antagonizing the Russians with base diplomatic effrontery and by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate himself. We damn sure warned Trump, over and over again, that any back-peddling on immigration would be a deal breaker. Did he think we were fucking kidding?

    Did you know that a good many of actually applied for jobs within the administration? That we submitted resumes and CVs through the staffing portal? That we willingly put ourselves at the disposal of the president and none of us ever heard a word back, even as Trump continued to surround himself with swamp creatures?

    I have said this before and I'll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump. So far we've been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt. But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of "deplorables" would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town. We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that's how serious we are. We have not been appreciated and we haven't been asked to do anything. We've basically been told to fuck off and die by the man we pledged our lives to.

    Therefore, the best we can do now is to continue building the Nationalist party that first took nascent form in the Trump campaign. This will be a grass roots effort which we must continue to nurture through writing, through criticism, through reaching out to friends and neighbors, through primarying swamp rats, through boycotting and divesting from the structures of globalism---which is pretty much what we have been doing anyway. So don't tell me we haven't and aren't doing our part. You can go crawl back underneath your mama's panties, and if you have any sense you won't show your face in these comments again. Go to hell.

    “I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump.”

    You mean his base, not the “cucks” or evangelicals or the disaffected.

    “So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt.”

    What did you ultimately expect from a man who is a huckster just like Hilary?

    “But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town.”

    Big boy butt hurt talk here. You should write fantasy fiction. Contact Vox Day.

    “We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are.”

    The train is fine, Intelligent Dasein, the train is fine.

    “We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything.”

    Why not YOU run for political office?

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    Agree with some of your criticism, disagree with some.

    The importance of all of, say, “Trump phenomenon” can’t be overstated, but, at the same time, something BIG is missing from this picture.

    Firstly, no serious conversation is possible here, so whatever we try to write here, no matter how much effort we put into it, will always be lacking.

    To be honest, if this thing happened anywhere else apart from The Big Boys network (US, Russia, China, United Kingdom and France, in that order, for obvious reasons) I am positive most of the world wouldn’t give a s*&t.
    But, US is, well, what US is.
    Something happens in US and lasts a week with no repercussion for US; result of that could be a devastated economy or a yearlong civil war in some small country far away.

    That reply was exhaustive an impassionate. The man put a lot of effort, apparently. And then, this being written:

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town
    We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are
     
    I mean, childish.
    Your thoughts and/or actions (or a lack of them) affect all the world. That world doesn’t want kids in charge of the world hyperpower.

    You’ve obviously, for an outsider, made several fundamental mistakes. You should, at least, try to understand them. Maybe…just maybe you’ll be able to remedy that. I am not optimistic, but, then, you did pull miracle once. Why not twice.

    And, this:

    We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything.
     
    If you’d done that pre-election work right, you wouldn’t have needed to be asked; you would’ve been doing the appreciation and being asked.

    For example, instead of venting your rage on me here (I mean if it helps go for it, but, still, childish), have you sat and done a proper analysis and found out all mistakes you made and why?

    In military we called that "post action analysis". Especially after a failed mission.

    Do you have an established think tanks? I mean, for that mass of people, producing several high quality think tanks would've been a child game (pun intended).
    So, have those groups done any analysis of what has happened so far? Any recommendations?

    I mean, the world has been watching.

    I KNOW that some people from those Tiny Tiny Countries in the Middle of Nowhere, friendly to US, just can't believe all this.

    "You, Americans, are supposed to be the smartest. The true leaders. And we've done it. How come you can't?"

    So, less venting and more introspection and, well...who knows....?
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  104. KenH says:
    @Anonymous
    Nationalism is already dead. You just don't realize it.

    All that's left now is the last little reflexive lashing of the dying animal. Hillary would have been the coup de grace, but dying squealing and whimpering is okay too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSlaT2CNRKo

    Maybe we should kill Jewish nationalism, too. Israel must globalize and begin importing black Africans and Muslim. Muslim rape gangs need to be unleashed upon young Jewish girls. Israeli’s cities need to experience a black African violent crime spree.

    Israel is too Jewish, too staid and boring. It needs the richness and wonders that only racial diversity can bring!!

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  105. Chris H. says:

    I know a guy who applied for border patrol, he was a former cop in CA, Spanish speaker, good resume, no record no drugs, has fairly good job now with big telecom.
    He went through all the hoops and no calls from them. Then he tells me that he met a bunch of guys who have been waiting over a year without call backs similar to himself. He said there are NO academy classes at all now, zero. Remember we were told they gov is hiring 5000 new border patrol guys.
    It’s all been lies, they want the drug avenue wide open, no new people down there because they might talk.

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  106. peterAUS says:
    @Corvinus
    "I have said this before and I’ll say it again. We were all ready to thrust ourselves on bayonets for Trump."

    You mean his base, not the "cucks" or evangelicals or the disaffected.

    "So far we’ve been rewarded only with betrayal and contempt."

    What did you ultimately expect from a man who is a huckster just like Hilary?

    "But even to this day, the country could belong to Trump if he wanted it. There is no reason he has to be a prisoner in the White House. All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town."

    Big boy butt hurt talk here. You should write fantasy fiction. Contact Vox Day.

    "We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are."

    The train is fine, Intelligent Dasein, the train is fine.

    "We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything."

    Why not YOU run for political office?

    Agree with some of your criticism, disagree with some.

    The importance of all of, say, “Trump phenomenon” can’t be overstated, but, at the same time, something BIG is missing from this picture.

    Firstly, no serious conversation is possible here, so whatever we try to write here, no matter how much effort we put into it, will always be lacking.

    To be honest, if this thing happened anywhere else apart from The Big Boys network (US, Russia, China, United Kingdom and France, in that order, for obvious reasons) I am positive most of the world wouldn’t give a s*&t.
    But, US is, well, what US is.
    Something happens in US and lasts a week with no repercussion for US; result of that could be a devastated economy or a yearlong civil war in some small country far away.

    That reply was exhaustive an impassionate. The man put a lot of effort, apparently. And then, this being written:

    All he has to do is call for help, say the word, and millions of “deplorables” would descend upon Washington and forcibly remove every bureaucrat, Congress rat, and lobbyist in town
    We could very easily form a provisional government with Trump as dictator, that’s how serious we are

    I mean, childish.
    Your thoughts and/or actions (or a lack of them) affect all the world. That world doesn’t want kids in charge of the world hyperpower.

    You’ve obviously, for an outsider, made several fundamental mistakes. You should, at least, try to understand them. Maybe…just maybe you’ll be able to remedy that. I am not optimistic, but, then, you did pull miracle once. Why not twice.

    And, this:

    We have not been appreciated and we haven’t been asked to do anything.

    If you’d done that pre-election work right, you wouldn’t have needed to be asked; you would’ve been doing the appreciation and being asked.

    For example, instead of venting your rage on me here (I mean if it helps go for it, but, still, childish), have you sat and done a proper analysis and found out all mistakes you made and why?

    In military we called that “post action analysis”. Especially after a failed mission.

    Do you have an established think tanks? I mean, for that mass of people, producing several high quality think tanks would’ve been a child game (pun intended).
    So, have those groups done any analysis of what has happened so far? Any recommendations?

    I mean, the world has been watching.

    I KNOW that some people from those Tiny Tiny Countries in the Middle of Nowhere, friendly to US, just can’t believe all this.

    “You, Americans, are supposed to be the smartest. The true leaders. And we’ve done it. How come you can’t?”

    So, less venting and more introspection and, well…who knows….?

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  107. Mr. Anon says:
    @Maj. Kong
    RNC hacks and those personally approved by Jared Kushner appear to be almost the entirety of those hired to staff the Executive Office.

    If they really wanted to score for the base, Mike Cernovich would have been offered a position, he'd be a far better Press Secretary than the nepotism currently sitting there.

    RNC hacks and those personally approved by Jared Kushner appear to be almost the entirety of those hired to staff the Executive Office.

    If Trump had not been the Republican nominee, Ivanka and Jared would almost certainly have voted for Hillary. It isn’t just that the whitehouse has been staffed with RNC hacks; it’s been staffed with a bunch of Democrats.

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  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu
    All he has to do is call for help, say the word

    Do you remember G.H. Bush during WH press conference on 9/12/91?

    And we're up against a very strong and effective, sometimes, groups that go up to the Hill. I heard today there was something like a thousand lobbyists on the Hill working the other side of the question. We've got one lonely little guy down here doing it.

    He could have said the word as well. Actually Buchanan wrote that he should have and he would not have been lonely little man in the White house. He was getting tonnes of letters supporting him from those who knew what was this all about. He could have saved his presidency if he took the fight. But he knew what happens to people who fight this particular lobby. He fought on behalf of it in his career. And he knew that even for raising the possibility of the confrontation he could not be reelected because they do not take chances.

    I know that you believe in the orthodox 9/11 story told by MSM. But most politicians do not. They also know about anthrax letters and their purpose and about the DC sniper in 2002 psyop to make them submit to give GW Bush the war in Iraq. They know that the enemy is not kidding. They know they have a choice of plata o plomo. Obviously they opt for plata. Plenty of it and they and their families have prosperous and unproblematic lives. They know no resistance is going to be tolerated. Look at the flak Rand Paul got for his anemic clapping during the countless applauses for Netanyahu.

    Forget about Trump. There will be no change. Creating nationalist movement? Yes, but be prepared that blood will be spilled and most likely it will be yours not theirs. They will not give up what they worked so hard for during the last two centuries. There is another meaning to Fukuyama's "The End of History." Perhaps you can still pray that Chinese will turn out to be the better masters if they succeed replacing our current ones. Will they or will they be coopted by the current western oligarchy and end betraying the Chinese people?

    I know that you believe in the orthodox 9/11 story told by MSM. But most politicians do not.

    No, that isn’t true. The notion that 9/11 was an “inside job” is just a fantasy cherished by you and a small army of other demented crackpots.

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  109. Mr. Anon says:
    @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months.

    No, it would require deporting 80,000 a month for ten months. This is entirely within the ability of the U.S. government, which routinely moves whole carrier task-forces and infantry brigades around the globe. It could be done by a government with the will to do it. I agree with you that our government, as it stands now, is probably not that government.

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    Agree.
    Of course.
    Desert Storm, 700,000 US troops, just for an example. Just troops.MATERIAL on top of it.
    Easy, as you say, with a proper political will.
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  110. peterAUS says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months.
     
    No, it would require deporting 80,000 a month for ten months. This is entirely within the ability of the U.S. government, which routinely moves whole carrier task-forces and infantry brigades around the globe. It could be done by a government with the will to do it. I agree with you that our government, as it stands now, is probably not that government.

    Agree.
    Of course.
    Desert Storm, 700,000 US troops, just for an example. Just troops.MATERIAL on top of it.
    Easy, as you say, with a proper political will.

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  111. @anonymous

    If Trump couldn’t bring himself to rescind by Executive Order what Obama had imposed by executive order
     
    Couldn't help but notice the subtle emphasis there.

    Is that supposed to signify that a white president's executive order is superior than a black president's Executive Order?

    Pathetic.

    Oh man. Anybody that can ferret out White racism this subtle (if any there be) has to be afflicted with ULTIMATE racial sensitivity. Do you suppose you should apply for a job at the so-called Poverty Law Center, perhaps as Top Lawyer Number One?

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  112. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    attilathetroll is a great devotee to the cause of purity

    On other sites Attila goes by the name Betty.

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    Alden are you an e-stalker? If Betty or I speak the truth, as long as it gets around, what is your problem with that?

    I suspect you are RCC. If yes, do you accept black/Asian priests-popes? If yes, you are the problem.

    (((Anonymous))) likes yellow women (hence his defense of Derbyshire). You said you comment at OCC so you don't like Jews. Why do you care about (((Anonymous)))? He can defend himself.

    , @attilathehen
    Alden, are you hiding? Since you did not answer my question about being RCC I will take that as a yes and that you will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes.

    Are you going to go to other websites to warn others about the evil Betty who may be attilathehen who may be someone else?

    You are once again proof that it is the Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer male who is the root of the problems in the West.
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  113. Alden says:
    @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    It would be sub sub contractors far removed from Trump who used the illegals, if indeed illegals were used on the high rises hotels etc buildings Trump built.

    Illegals build single family homes, small apartment and condo buildings, mini malls etc.

    But skilled tradesmen are needed for the kind of buildings Trump built. Skilled workers know the local codes, don’t need supervision to learn on the job. Sub sub janitor contractors probably hire illegal janitors, but you can be sure only the contractors, not Trump hired and paid the illegals.

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  114. @Alden
    On other sites Attila goes by the name Betty.

    Alden are you an e-stalker? If Betty or I speak the truth, as long as it gets around, what is your problem with that?

    I suspect you are RCC. If yes, do you accept black/Asian priests-popes? If yes, you are the problem.

    (((Anonymous))) likes yellow women (hence his defense of Derbyshire). You said you comment at OCC so you don’t like Jews. Why do you care about (((Anonymous)))? He can defend himself.

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    I'm not even the same person. I just find your trolling to be idiotic and call you out on it. In fact, you've repeatedly demonstrated your stupidity, which makes your rambles even more silly. But its probably why you're always entertaining.

    I find it also possible that you're quite literally a troll existing to pretend to be one of us, and I hope that's the case, because I have a hard time imagining someone who's "HBD-aware" who's really such an enormous moron.

    For you.

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  115. Trump obeys his (((handlers))).

    Not really that surprising.

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  116. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    Alden are you an e-stalker? If Betty or I speak the truth, as long as it gets around, what is your problem with that?

    I suspect you are RCC. If yes, do you accept black/Asian priests-popes? If yes, you are the problem.

    (((Anonymous))) likes yellow women (hence his defense of Derbyshire). You said you comment at OCC so you don't like Jews. Why do you care about (((Anonymous)))? He can defend himself.

    I’m not even the same person. I just find your trolling to be idiotic and call you out on it. In fact, you’ve repeatedly demonstrated your stupidity, which makes your rambles even more silly. But its probably why you’re always entertaining.

    I find it also possible that you’re quite literally a troll existing to pretend to be one of us, and I hope that’s the case, because I have a hard time imagining someone who’s “HBD-aware” who’s really such an enormous moron.

    For you.

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    Methinks you keep exposing yourself. Maybe you're not the same Anonymous. Maybe you're Authenticjazzman. Maybe you're in league with Alden. For sure, you're 1/2 Jew and you always defend the yellow-fever degenerate Derbyshire. And you weren't happy when you found out Laura Marx married a black.

    I think I hit upon the real problems, i.e, the Caucasian RCC/Zioevangier males. Other commentators, Intelligent Dasein, anarchyst, Alden, these RCC cucks cannot handle the fact that black/Asian priests-popes interfere with their beliefs. I comment on other websites and anytime I deal with RCC men they go crazy when I tell them accepting black/Asian priests-popes is a problem and that the communion wafer does not work. Many so called "white nationalists" have Asians wive ala Derbyshire and they are semitophiles.

    I consistently point out that the West will never win as long as the argument is started first from race. IQ is best because the stark racial differences come up immediately and then we can start to take action. Also, the constant blaming of the Jooooz for alles is incredibly stupid. This miscegenated, meshuggah melange can't do anything unless RCC/Zioevangizers/Freemasons help them.

    The cuck Alden is out "warning" all of you that maybe I'm "Betty." And that Betty got kicked off from commenting at the Occidental Observer because she said things about the RCC. I have commentators say I'm a 1/2 Asian male. WOW!!!

    I point out facts and logically deal with them. Anytime I hear someone blaming everything on the Jews (ala Daily Stormer), I know I'm dealing with cucks. Anytime I deal with "purists," I know they have stains they are trying to hide. At least you responded. Let's see what Alden does.
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  117. Swedish Documentary On Failed Immigration

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  118. wayfarer says:
    @englishmike

    Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.
     
    Good to hear that. I'm sure it would.

    If the fiction doesn't work out, definitely try something autobiographical. Possibly a collection of shorter autobiographical pieces.? Or a mixture of fiction and non-fiction pieces?

    I'm already committed to buying your first publication, whatever it is. And reviewing it on Amazon UK and .com.

    I'm "thinking past the sale".

    When a car salesperson trained in persuasion asks if you prefer the red Honda Civic or the Blue one, that is a trick called making you “think past the sale” and the idea is to make you engage on the question of color as if you have already decided to buy the car. That is Persuasion 101 and I have seen no one in the media point it out when Trump does it.

    Scott Adams' Blog.
    Clown Genius
    Posted August 13th, 2015
     

    It’s so amazing how one stranger’s act of unconditional generosity and subtle guidance can function as a catalyst of favorable change, in another strangers life.

    You’ll never know just how much your positive reinforcement has helped me.

    Honestly, your reply/comment was synchronicity at work. A thousand thanks, englishman!

    In return, here’s a small gift for you.

    I believe she’s an “indigo child.” Hope you enjoy her powerful performance. It brought tears to my eyes.

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    You're welcome.
    Thanks for the small gift.
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  119. @Anonymous
    I'm not even the same person. I just find your trolling to be idiotic and call you out on it. In fact, you've repeatedly demonstrated your stupidity, which makes your rambles even more silly. But its probably why you're always entertaining.

    I find it also possible that you're quite literally a troll existing to pretend to be one of us, and I hope that's the case, because I have a hard time imagining someone who's "HBD-aware" who's really such an enormous moron.

    For you.

    Methinks you keep exposing yourself. Maybe you’re not the same Anonymous. Maybe you’re Authenticjazzman. Maybe you’re in league with Alden. For sure, you’re 1/2 Jew and you always defend the yellow-fever degenerate Derbyshire. And you weren’t happy when you found out Laura Marx married a black.

    I think I hit upon the real problems, i.e, the Caucasian RCC/Zioevangier males. Other commentators, Intelligent Dasein, anarchyst, Alden, these RCC cucks cannot handle the fact that black/Asian priests-popes interfere with their beliefs. I comment on other websites and anytime I deal with RCC men they go crazy when I tell them accepting black/Asian priests-popes is a problem and that the communion wafer does not work. Many so called “white nationalists” have Asians wive ala Derbyshire and they are semitophiles.

    I consistently point out that the West will never win as long as the argument is started first from race. IQ is best because the stark racial differences come up immediately and then we can start to take action. Also, the constant blaming of the Jooooz for alles is incredibly stupid. This miscegenated, meshuggah melange can’t do anything unless RCC/Zioevangizers/Freemasons help them.

    The cuck Alden is out “warning” all of you that maybe I’m “Betty.” And that Betty got kicked off from commenting at the Occidental Observer because she said things about the RCC. I have commentators say I’m a 1/2 Asian male. WOW!!!

    I point out facts and logically deal with them. Anytime I hear someone blaming everything on the Jews (ala Daily Stormer), I know I’m dealing with cucks. Anytime I deal with “purists,” I know they have stains they are trying to hide. At least you responded. Let’s see what Alden does.

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    This is quite possibly one of the best examples of autism I've seen yet. Are you sure that you aren't actually a 1/2 Asian male? You sound like a certain famous one.
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  120. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @englishmike

    Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.
     
    Good to hear that. I'm sure it would.

    If the fiction doesn't work out, definitely try something autobiographical. Possibly a collection of shorter autobiographical pieces.? Or a mixture of fiction and non-fiction pieces?

    I'm already committed to buying your first publication, whatever it is. And reviewing it on Amazon UK and .com.

    I'm "thinking past the sale".

    When a car salesperson trained in persuasion asks if you prefer the red Honda Civic or the Blue one, that is a trick called making you “think past the sale” and the idea is to make you engage on the question of color as if you have already decided to buy the car. That is Persuasion 101 and I have seen no one in the media point it out when Trump does it.

    Scott Adams' Blog.
    Clown Genius
    Posted August 13th, 2015
     

    Correction: Honestly, your reply/comment was synchronicity at work. A thousand thanks, englishmike!

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  121. wayfarer says:
    @englishmike

    Just hoping to create some meaningful fiction that may change people’s lives, in a good way.
     
    Good to hear that. I'm sure it would.

    If the fiction doesn't work out, definitely try something autobiographical. Possibly a collection of shorter autobiographical pieces.? Or a mixture of fiction and non-fiction pieces?

    I'm already committed to buying your first publication, whatever it is. And reviewing it on Amazon UK and .com.

    I'm "thinking past the sale".

    When a car salesperson trained in persuasion asks if you prefer the red Honda Civic or the Blue one, that is a trick called making you “think past the sale” and the idea is to make you engage on the question of color as if you have already decided to buy the car. That is Persuasion 101 and I have seen no one in the media point it out when Trump does it.

    Scott Adams' Blog.
    Clown Genius
    Posted August 13th, 2015
     

    Strange, I sent that “correction” reply number 120.

    But somehow it was listed as a reply from “anonymous.”

    Maybe the moderator can look into this.

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  122. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    Methinks you keep exposing yourself. Maybe you're not the same Anonymous. Maybe you're Authenticjazzman. Maybe you're in league with Alden. For sure, you're 1/2 Jew and you always defend the yellow-fever degenerate Derbyshire. And you weren't happy when you found out Laura Marx married a black.

    I think I hit upon the real problems, i.e, the Caucasian RCC/Zioevangier males. Other commentators, Intelligent Dasein, anarchyst, Alden, these RCC cucks cannot handle the fact that black/Asian priests-popes interfere with their beliefs. I comment on other websites and anytime I deal with RCC men they go crazy when I tell them accepting black/Asian priests-popes is a problem and that the communion wafer does not work. Many so called "white nationalists" have Asians wive ala Derbyshire and they are semitophiles.

    I consistently point out that the West will never win as long as the argument is started first from race. IQ is best because the stark racial differences come up immediately and then we can start to take action. Also, the constant blaming of the Jooooz for alles is incredibly stupid. This miscegenated, meshuggah melange can't do anything unless RCC/Zioevangizers/Freemasons help them.

    The cuck Alden is out "warning" all of you that maybe I'm "Betty." And that Betty got kicked off from commenting at the Occidental Observer because she said things about the RCC. I have commentators say I'm a 1/2 Asian male. WOW!!!

    I point out facts and logically deal with them. Anytime I hear someone blaming everything on the Jews (ala Daily Stormer), I know I'm dealing with cucks. Anytime I deal with "purists," I know they have stains they are trying to hide. At least you responded. Let's see what Alden does.

    This is quite possibly one of the best examples of autism I’ve seen yet. Are you sure that you aren’t actually a 1/2 Asian male? You sound like a certain famous one.

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    (((You))) and Alden, cucks of a feather flock together.
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  123. vetran says:

    Maybe John should go back to Derbyshire, East Midlands… lol!
    Frankly, who want to live in a country that has morphed into a police state, where law enforcement officials invasion is more penetrating thanks to enhanced (digitized) state surveillance tools. Land of free anyone, anymore?
    If you’re still clinging to your Hollywood/Disney fantasy, you better read attorney John Whitehead’s America reality check : https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/07/what-country-is-this/

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  124. @Anonymous
    This is quite possibly one of the best examples of autism I've seen yet. Are you sure that you aren't actually a 1/2 Asian male? You sound like a certain famous one.

    (((You))) and Alden, cucks of a feather flock together.

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  125. @Alden
    On other sites Attila goes by the name Betty.

    Alden, are you hiding? Since you did not answer my question about being RCC I will take that as a yes and that you will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes.

    Are you going to go to other websites to warn others about the evil Betty who may be attilathehen who may be someone else?

    You are once again proof that it is the Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer male who is the root of the problems in the West.

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  126. Our religious tradition loves lies that allow self-pity to be harnessed to hatred: cheap date. You can hate and kill in the service of ideals saying you are performing the exterior will of God.

    How do you toads like to be on the bad side of the trade?

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    Well spoken.

    Forgotten, or more likely, intentionally omitted, the fact that 'non-religious' regimes killed a lot, too.

    Communists, for example.

    But that' O.K.
    That wasn't done for 'performing exterior will of God'.
    Just a conviction of doing good for inevitable march of history towards perfect society. New man. Stuff like that.
    So, it's O.K.

    Important is, it wasn't 'religious'.
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  127. peterAUS says:
    @Tradecraft46
    Our religious tradition loves lies that allow self-pity to be harnessed to hatred: cheap date. You can hate and kill in the service of ideals saying you are performing the exterior will of God.

    How do you toads like to be on the bad side of the trade?

    Well spoken.

    Forgotten, or more likely, intentionally omitted, the fact that ‘non-religious’ regimes killed a lot, too.

    Communists, for example.

    But that’ O.K.
    That wasn’t done for ‘performing exterior will of God’.
    Just a conviction of doing good for inevitable march of history towards perfect society. New man. Stuff like that.
    So, it’s O.K.

    Important is, it wasn’t ‘religious’.

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  128. @Fred V. Reed
    There should be a condition called "political innumeracy." With perhaps twelve million clearly illegal illegals in the US, a few hundred a month seem to be deported. Deporting 800,000 Dreamers would require 8000 a month for a hundred months. Anyone want to make a large bet on whether this happens, DACA or no? I want to buy a yacht. It would make a difference of less than 1/57 of the Latino population.

    I assume that Mr. Derbyshire has spent more time in Mexico than I have, but while I do not question his expertise and experience, I note that many of the heavies at Vdare have written nonsense about this country for decades, it would seem, without appearing ever to have been here. I think this is called "fake news."

    Finally, ""Let justice be done" invariably means "to people I don't like." For example, Trump, according to his biographers, used illegal aliens in some of his building prospects-a federal crime. Prosecution, anyone?

    Allan Wall, a long-term writer (since I’ve been reading ~ 15 years) at VDare, lived in Mexico for a decade or so. His column was called “Memo from Mexico” when he lived down there, and now it’s “Memo from Middle America” now that he and his family live in America again – I guess in the middle, I dunno.

    Now, Mr. Wall doesn’t always write the same stuff as the others, and he has more of an affinity for the Mexicans than, perhaps the average regular VDare writer. However, it’s still the same truth about illegal and legal immigration as the rest there on VDare. They are a professional outfit, and each writer has his own expertise. I swear they published some articles of yours before, didn’t they?

    Hey, Fred, where’d you get the 12 million number anyway? I come up with 20-25 million based on my own rectal extraction method. It’s as good as yours.

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  129. @wayfarer
    It's so amazing how one stranger's act of unconditional generosity and subtle guidance can function as a catalyst of favorable change, in another strangers life.

    You'll never know just how much your positive reinforcement has helped me.

    Honestly, your reply/comment was synchronicity at work. A thousand thanks, englishman!

    In return, here's a small gift for you.

    I believe she's an “indigo child.” Hope you enjoy her powerful performance. It brought tears to my eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU

    You’re welcome.
    Thanks for the small gift.

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  130. peterAUS says:

    Is this that “National Party” the angry Trump supporter mentioned here:

    http://www.americafirstparty.org/

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  131. Svigor says:

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.

    Kill yourself. You know you want to, and you know it’s the right thing to do.

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    Hey, it's good you're back, Homie. Brutsale or Buffalo Joe, I can't remember which, expressed concern about your welfare some weeks ago.

    I told him don't worry, i'm pretty sure he's still driving his reconditioned Saab 900 to his government job in his %75 black, city of choice not raising the kids he never had...

    Just like nothing ever happened.
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  132. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    No, there’s nothing that can be done.
     
    Kill yourself. You know you want to, and you know it's the right thing to do.

    Hey, it’s good you’re back, Homie. Brutsale or Buffalo Joe, I can’t remember which, expressed concern about your welfare some weeks ago.

    I told him don’t worry, i’m pretty sure he’s still driving his reconditioned Saab 900 to his government job in his %75 black, city of choice not raising the kids he never had…

    Just like nothing ever happened.

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  133. Kevin C. says:
    @Dana Thompson
    Meanwhile, the issue of repealing birthright citizenship (if the concept ever actually existed within the law, to begin with) has been forgotten about. Where's the logical coherence to building a border wall on the one hand, if on the other, we're going to offer the greatest possible inducement to cross the border, i.e. the prospect of a better life for one's children?

    if the concept ever actually existed within the law, to begin with

    You can find more info on the historical roots of birthright citizenship if you look under the Latin term, jus soli. (You might want to start here.)

    An early form of jus soli dates from Cleisthenes’ reforms of ancient Athenian law in the 6th century BC. It developed further in the Roman world, where citizenship was extended to all free inhabitants of the Roman Empire by the Edict of Caracalla in AD 212… Much later, the independence of the English colonies in America and the French Revolution in the late 18th century laid the foundations for jus soli… At the turn of the 19th century, nation-states commonly divided themselves between those granting nationality on the grounds of jus soli (France, for example) and those granting it on the grounds of jus sanguinis (for example, Germany before 1990).

    Also from that page:

    The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”.[28] The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes children born to foreign diplomats and children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country’s territory.[29]

    See also US v. Wong Kim Ark,

    a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that “a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China”, automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth…

    The case highlighted disagreements over the precise meaning of one phrase in the Citizenship Clause—namely, the provision that a person born in the United States who is subject to the jurisdiction thereof acquires automatic citizenship. The Supreme Court’s majority concluded that this phrase referred to being required to obey U.S. law; on this basis, they interpreted the language of the Fourteenth Amendment in a way that granted U.S. citizenship to children born of foreigners on American soil (a concept known as jus soli), with only a limited set of exceptions mostly based in English common law…

    In the words of a 2007 legal analysis of events following the Wong Kim Ark decision, “The parameters of the jus soli principle, as stated by the court in Wong Kim Ark, have never been seriously questioned by the Supreme Court, and have been accepted as dogma by lower courts.”

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  134. Wilkey says:

    What happens once DACA has become law? Next the open borders whacktivists will argue that *of course* we have to legalize their parents, because *how can we dare to force these teenagers to live alone in the United States while their parents are sent back to Mexico (etc)?*

    The truth is that the Left is full of shit, as if anyone here has any doubts. ‘We need to let these “kids” stay because they were raised here and know no other country.’

    OK. So that means they’re OK with deporting people who came here illegally a year ago, or yesterday, or as adults?

    Nope.

    That means they’re OK with enforcing immigration laws against illegals who haven’t even arrived yet?

    Nope.

    When Senator Durbin announced his bill to legalize DACA recipients he stated unequivocally that he would not trade DACA for a border fence. Never.

    So the whole nonsense about legalizing DACA “kids” because they don’t know their home countries? It’s not an argument, it’s a sales pitch. Durbin and all his friends don’t believe a word of it.

    And it goes beyond all that, of course. We have to legalize DACA “kids” because sending them home would be “cruel.”

    If they genuinely think it would be cruel to deport them then why won’t they accept a huge increase in enforcement against people who aren’t even here yet in order to prevent this “cruelty”?

    Because they don’t really believe that it’s cruel.

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  135. Dissident says:
    @Rich
    No, Trump isn't making Obama look presidential. If eight years of the media hiding his "boyfriends" , hiding his reading off a teleprompter, hiding his cigarette habit, hiding his true parentage and/or birthplace, hiding his true religious leanings, hiding his illegal actions and lies couldn't make Obama look presidential, nothing can.

    hiding his true religious leanings

    True religious leanings? You really think Obama has any of those? Other than worshiping himself, perhaps.

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