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A couple of remarks in Professor Susan McWillams’ recent Modern Age piece celebrating the 25th anniversary of Christopher Lasch’s 1991 book The True and Only Heaven, which analyzed the cult of progress in its American manifestation, have stuck in my mind. Here’s the first one:

In the most recent American National Election Studies survey, only 19 percent of Americans agreed with the idea that the government, “is run for the benefit of all the people.” [The True and Only Lasch: On The True and Only Heaven, 25 Years Later, Fall 2016]

McWilliams adds a footnote to that: The 19 percent figure is from 2012, she says. Then she tells us that in 1964, 64 percent of Americans agreed with the same statement.

Wow. You have to think that those two numbers, from 64 percent down to 19 percent in two generations, tell us something important and disturbing about our political life.

Second McWilliams quote:

In 2016 if you type the words “Democrats and Republicans” or “Republicans and Democrats” into Google, the algorithms predict your next words will be “are the same”.

I just tried this, and she’s right.

notadimesworth

These guesses are of course based on the frequency with which complete sentences show up all over the internet.

An awful lot of people out there think we live in a one-party state—that we’re ruled by what is coming to be called the “Uniparty.”

There is a dawning realization, ever more widespread among ordinary Americans, that our national politics is not Left versus Right or Republican versus Democrat; it’s we the people versus the politicians.

Which leads me to a different lady commentator: Peggy Noonan, in her October 20th Wall Street Journal column.

The title of Peggy’s piece was: Imagine a Sane Donald Trump. [Alternate link]Its gravamen: Donald Trump has shown up the Republican Party Establishment as totally out of touch with their base, which is good; but that he’s bat-poop crazy, which is bad. If a sane Donald Trump had done the good thing, the showing-up, we’d be on course to a major beneficial correction in our national politics.

It’s a good clever piece. A couple of months ago on Radio Derb I offered up one and a half cheers for Peggy, who gets a lot right in spite of being a longtime Establishment Insider. So it was here. Sample of what she got right last week:

Mr. Trump’s great historical role was to reveal to the Republican Party what half of its own base really thinks about the big issues. The party’s leaders didn’t know! They were shocked, so much that they indulged in sheer denial and made believe it wasn’t happening.

The party’s leaders accept more or less open borders and like big trade deals. Half the base does not! It is longtime GOP doctrine to cut entitlement spending. Half the base doesn’t want to, not right now! Republican leaders have what might be called assertive foreign-policy impulses. When Mr. Trump insulted George W. Bush and nation-building and said he’d opposed the Iraq invasion, the crowds, taking him at his word, cheered. He was, as they say, declaring that he didn’t want to invade the world and invite the world. Not only did half the base cheer him, at least half the remaining half joined in when the primaries ended.

DoomedI’ll just pause to note Peggy’s use of Steve Sailer’ s great encapsulation of Bush-style NeoConnery: “Invade the world, invite the world.” Either Peggy’s been reading Steve on the sly, or she’s read my book We Are Doomed, which borrows that phrase. I credited Steve with it, though, so in either case she knows its provenance, and should likewise have credited Steve.

End of pause. OK, so Peggy got some things right there. She got a lot wrong, though

Start with the notion that Trump is crazy. He’s a nut, she says, five times. His brain is “a TV funhouse.”

Well, Trump has some colorful quirks of personality, to be sure, as we all do. But he’s no nut. A nut can’t be as successful in business as Trump has been.

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I spent 32 years as an employee or contractor, mostly in private businesses but for two years in a government department. Private businesses are intensely rational, as human affairs go—much more rational than government departments. The price of irrationality in business is immediate and plainly financial. Sanity-wise, Trump is a better bet than most people in high government positions.

Sure, politicians talk a good rational game. They present as sober and thoughtful on the Sunday morning shows.

Look at the stuff they believe, though. Was it rational to respond to the collapse of the U.S.S.R. by moving NATO right up to Russia’s borders? Was it rational to expect that post-Saddam Iraq would turn into a constitutional democracy? Was it rational to order insurance companies to sell healthcare policies to people who are already sick? Was the Vietnam War a rational enterprise? Was it rational to respond to the 9/11 attacks by massively increasing Muslim immigration?

Make your own list.

Donald Trump displays good healthy patriotic instincts. I’ll take that, with the personality quirks and all, over some earnest, careful, sober-sided guy whose head contains fantasies of putting the world to rights, or flooding our country with unassimilable foreigners.

I’d add the point, made by many commentators, that belongs under the general heading: “You don’t have to be crazy to work here, but it helps.” If Donald Trump was not so very different from run-of-the-mill politicians—which I suspect is a big part of what Peggy means by calling him a nut—would he have entered into the political adventure he’s on?

Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific on a hand-built wooden raft to prove a point, which is not the kind of thing your average ethnographer would do. Was he crazy? No, he wasn’t. It was only that some feature of his personality drove him to use that way to prove the point he hoped to prove.

And then there is Peggy’s assertion that the Republican Party’s leaders didn’t know that half the party’s base were at odds with them.

Did they really not? Didn’t they get a clue when the GOP lost in 2012, mainly because millions of Republican voters didn’t turn out for Mitt Romney? Didn’t they, come to think of it, get the glimmering of a clue back in 1996, when Pat Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary?

Pat Buchanan is in fact a living counter-argument to Peggy’s thesis—the “sane Donald Trump” that she claims would win the hearts of GOP managers. Pat is Trump without the personality quirks. How has the Republican Party treated him?

Our own Brad Griffin, here at VDARE.com on October 24th, offered a couple more “sane Donald Trumps”: Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee. How did they fare with the GOP Establishment?

Donald Trump is no nut. If he were a nut, he would not have amassed the fortune he has, nor nurtured the capable and affectionate family he has.

Probably he’s less well-informed about the world than the average pol. I doubt he could tell you what the capital of Burkina Faso is.

That’s secondary, though. A President has people to look up that stuff for him.

The question that’s been asked more than any other about Donald Trump is not,pace Peggy Noonan, “Is he nuts?” but, “Is he conservative?

I’m sure he is. But my definition of “conservative” is temperamental, not political. My touchstone here is the sketch of the conservative temperament given to us by the English political philosopher Michael Oakeshott:

To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.

Rationalism in Politics and other essays (1962)

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That fits Trump better than it fits any liberal you can think of—better also than many senior Republicans. For example, it was one of George W. Bush’s senior associates—probably Karl Rove—who scoffed at opponents of Bush’s delusional foreign policy as “the reality-based community.” It would be hard to think of a more un-Oakeshottian turn of phrase.

Trump has all the right instincts. And he’s had the guts and courage—and, just as important, the money—to do a thing that has badly needed doing for twenty years: to smash the power of the real nuts in the GOP Establishment.

I thank him for that, and look forward to his Presidency.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Judging by primary results it’s a hell of a lot more than half the base that are appalled by the stoopid party’s establishment and supportive of Donald Trump. But perhaps Noonan was excluding people like me from her denominator. I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago when I realized the party’s leadership was allied with the dimocrat’s and both were opposed to everything I believe in. (Call me aslow learner!) I could be part of the base of a new party, the one which may be forming around Trump right now.

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    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @iffen
    I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago

    The idea of electing more better Republicans still has a strong hold on many people who believe that it is bound to work any day now, despite all evidence to the contrary.
    , @in the middle
    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again. So, there it is.
    , @Ace
    Make room on that bench of slow learners. About February 2015 it finally dawned on me that the Republicans in Congress just weren't going to do squat.

    Insipid cave ins before over closing the government may have been the true source of my knowing the fight was fixed. Lee Atwater would have hired Ronald McDonald or a pole dancer to make some kind of a killer point about what was at stake and why Obongo had to pound sand. Before I figured the Republicans had something up their sleeves even if they seemed to be getting slapped around tactically. But they slept on and on and on and on. Per agreement. What Obongo wanted was what was delivered.

    Ryan is the apotheosis of uselessness, McCain took himself to Syria to break bread with al-Qaida swine, and W is in earnest competition with Tiny Tim for his handholding and kissy face with Saudis and his snuggling with Michelle and Hillary. WTF is about all you can say to any of that.

    And I haven't even mentioned the Great United States Excellent Unconstitutional War to Save Syria from Assad.

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  2. unit472 says:

    The Democrat Party imploded in 1972. George Wallace was their ‘Trump’ that year. He had just won the Michigan primary when he was shot and that allowed the Democrats to become a party of racial blocs and government employees. Had the GOP been less hostile to entitlement spending ( it never reduced it anyway) it is likely they would have won every election from then to 2008. There just weren’t enough minority and public sector voters to win national elections.

    The GOPe allowed the Democrats to hold enough white voters to remain competitive by being a mouthpiece for corporate America and being seen as hostile to Social Security and Medicare. Trump is smart enough to see that corporate cash is not worth it if it drives millions of middle income whites to the Democrats.

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  3. Phinman says:

    Thor Heyerdahl was a brave guy who went the extra mile(s) to test his theory. He increased public awareness of and interest in anthropology and history. His success provided evidence for his theory. He wasn’t crazy, but, nonetheless, his theory is almost certainly wrong. More convincing evidence exists that is incompatible with his theory. Surely, that matters too. Maybe, there’s a lesson for us today.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thor Heyerdahl was partly right. There is evidence of South American genes mixed in with the Polynesians.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8582150/Kon-Tiki-explorer-was-partly-right-Polynesians-had-South-American-roots.html
  4. Randal says:

    Steve Sailer’ s great encapsulation of Bush-style NeoConnery: “Invade the world, invite the world.”

    A great encapsulation, indeed. But I prefer to see it more broadly referred to, as an “encapsulation of Bush/Clinton-style NeoConnery”. That better captures the bipartisan nature of the US problem with foreign policy, better warns the world of what we can expect if and when we get another Clinton presidency, and better highlights the grossly partisan hypocrisy of the leftists who spent years correctly criticising Bush’s interventionism only to go conveniently quiet over the interventionism of their “own side”.

    Otherwise, spot on as usual. Trump is “mad” only in the same sense as people like me are “racist/antisemite/homophobic/sexist” – for expressing views, raising issues and reporting truths that fall outside the establishment’s comfort zone.

    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.

    This is broadly my own sense of being conservative, but there is an obvious inherent problem with being conservative in this sense in a society in which radicalism has been established as the ruling ideological dogma, as it has in the countries of the modern US sphere, for a generation or more. The radical (and I use the term in a pejorative sense) has, in many important areas and for many younger people, become the familiar.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    I agree; particularly with your last paragraph. After over a century of prog wrecking, true conservatism in this country must devote a follow-on century to radical destruction and reconstruction. Pure conservatism is no longer sufficient and hasn't been for a long time.
  5. @Randal

    Steve Sailer’ s great encapsulation of Bush-style NeoConnery: “Invade the world, invite the world.”
     
    A great encapsulation, indeed. But I prefer to see it more broadly referred to, as an "encapsulation of Bush/Clinton-style NeoConnery". That better captures the bipartisan nature of the US problem with foreign policy, better warns the world of what we can expect if and when we get another Clinton presidency, and better highlights the grossly partisan hypocrisy of the leftists who spent years correctly criticising Bush's interventionism only to go conveniently quiet over the interventionism of their "own side".

    Otherwise, spot on as usual. Trump is "mad" only in the same sense as people like me are "racist/antisemite/homophobic/sexist" - for expressing views, raising issues and reporting truths that fall outside the establishment's comfort zone.

    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.
     
    This is broadly my own sense of being conservative, but there is an obvious inherent problem with being conservative in this sense in a society in which radicalism has been established as the ruling ideological dogma, as it has in the countries of the modern US sphere, for a generation or more. The radical (and I use the term in a pejorative sense) has, in many important areas and for many younger people, become the familiar.

    I agree; particularly with your last paragraph. After over a century of prog wrecking, true conservatism in this country must devote a follow-on century to radical destruction and reconstruction. Pure conservatism is no longer sufficient and hasn’t been for a long time.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    I think you are probably right, but you can see what a problem this creates for visceral conservative types such as myself .....
  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Phinman
    Thor Heyerdahl was a brave guy who went the extra mile(s) to test his theory. He increased public awareness of and interest in anthropology and history. His success provided evidence for his theory. He wasn't crazy, but, nonetheless, his theory is almost certainly wrong. More convincing evidence exists that is incompatible with his theory. Surely, that matters too. Maybe, there's a lesson for us today.

    Thor Heyerdahl was partly right. There is evidence of South American genes mixed in with the Polynesians.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8582150/Kon-Tiki-explorer-was-partly-right-Polynesians-had-South-American-roots.html

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  7. FKA Max says:

    Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific on a hand-built wooden raft to prove a point, which is not the kind of thing your average ethnographer would do. Was he crazy? No, he wasn’t. It was only that some feature of his personality drove him to use that way to prove the point he hoped to prove.

    The father of one of my friends from boarding school makes the exact same point. According to him, most true entrepreneurs(/explorers) have ADHD. I think Donald Trump has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well, which makes him seem a little bit ”nuts” to ”normal” people.

    Quite frankly, it helps to be a little bit crazy being an entrepreneur.

    For Mr. Smed’s remarks on entrepreneur craziness and the connection to ADHD, watch the first 2 minutes of his following TED talk:

    TEDxUofC ‘Building a Legacy’ – Mogens Smed

    8. If you could have done anything differently in your career, what would it have been?

    I think I would have been a lot less impulsive. One of the things about most entrepreneurs, and I’m certainly one, is that we work on instinct and move fairly quickly. Sometimes I moved a bit too quickly, and it’s cost us a lot of time and money. In the construction business especially, decisions have to be made instantaneously. We have to make quick decisions to respond to needs of clients. Having said that, there are a lot of times where being less impulsive would have served me well.

    http://fortune.com/2014/05/21/10-questions-mogens-smed-ceo-dirtt-environmental-solutions/

    I think Mr. Trump would agree.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " I think DT has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well"

    There is no such fucking thing as ADHD.

    This bogus disorder is another perfidious creation of the psychiatric and psycho-drugs community, designed to fatten their wallets, and gain more control over the unwashed masses, and to commit kids to a lifetime of "Therapy", guaranteeing them, the shrinks income over decades.


    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty years-plus, and pro jazz performer.
  8. iffen says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Judging by primary results it's a hell of a lot more than half the base that are appalled by the stoopid party's establishment and supportive of Donald Trump. But perhaps Noonan was excluding people like me from her denominator. I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago when I realized the party's leadership was allied with the dimocrat's and both were opposed to everything I believe in. (Call me aslow learner!) I could be part of the base of a new party, the one which may be forming around Trump right now.

    I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago

    The idea of electing more better Republicans still has a strong hold on many people who believe that it is bound to work any day now, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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  9. D’s and R’s are the same. Nader explained the whole thing in detail long ago. Nobody gets points for learning it decades later.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I was fortunate to attend a speech given by Gore Vidal at the Writer's Guild in Beverly Hills some years back, in it he said, "There is only one political party in America, it's the Money Party and it has two branches, one called Democrat and the other called Republican".

    A documentary of his life was shown on a local TV station last week where I live, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

  10. “…Mr. Trump’s great historical role was to reveal to the Republican Party what half of its own base really thinks about the big issues…”

    More like 80-90% of the Republican base completely disagrees with the Bush (pere et fils) – Romney (pere et fils) – Dole neocons, but vote for them anyway faute de mieux. Plus there is a significant percentage of the Democrat base that will vote for a nationalist conservative like Trump (the Reagan Dems).

    Next Tuesday, we will find out what the percentages are (after adjusting for vote fraud by the Dems). But it is likely to be a complete repudiation of the Uniparty.

    But Derb’s main point is exactly right. Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist. And now they have it.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max

    Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist.
     
    St. Reagan

    Reagan’s 1986 comprehensive immigration bill turned out to be the most liberal amnesty for illegal aliens in our nation’s history, and set the stage for the present problem of 12 million aliens here unlawfully.
     
    - http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223401/st-reagan-victor-davis-hanson

    If the United States government shows no more willingness to deal with illegal immigration than has been shown by the Reagan Administration, then a migration from Latin America of the magnitude described above is certainly imminent. A Catholic majority in the United States and Vatican control of our government would greatly enhance the power of the Church not only in this country but worldwide.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/05/4-principal-sources-of-power-of-the-roman-catholic-church/


    I just recently commented extensively on this topic: http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1625914 , http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624501 ,and http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

  11. @WorkingClass
    D's and R's are the same. Nader explained the whole thing in detail long ago. Nobody gets points for learning it decades later.

    I was fortunate to attend a speech given by Gore Vidal at the Writer’s Guild in Beverly Hills some years back, in it he said, “There is only one political party in America, it’s the Money Party and it has two branches, one called Democrat and the other called Republican”.

    A documentary of his life was shown on a local TV station last week where I live, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

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  12. FKA Max says:
    @Steve in Greensboro
    "...Mr. Trump’s great historical role was to reveal to the Republican Party what half of its own base really thinks about the big issues..."

    More like 80-90% of the Republican base completely disagrees with the Bush (pere et fils) - Romney (pere et fils) - Dole neocons, but vote for them anyway faute de mieux. Plus there is a significant percentage of the Democrat base that will vote for a nationalist conservative like Trump (the Reagan Dems).

    Next Tuesday, we will find out what the percentages are (after adjusting for vote fraud by the Dems). But it is likely to be a complete repudiation of the Uniparty.

    But Derb's main point is exactly right. Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist. And now they have it.

    Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist.

    St. Reagan

    Reagan’s 1986 comprehensive immigration bill turned out to be the most liberal amnesty for illegal aliens in our nation’s history, and set the stage for the present problem of 12 million aliens here unlawfully.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223401/st-reagan-victor-davis-hanson

    If the United States government shows no more willingness to deal with illegal immigration than has been shown by the Reagan Administration, then a migration from Latin America of the magnitude described above is certainly imminent. A Catholic majority in the United States and Vatican control of our government would greatly enhance the power of the Church not only in this country but worldwide.

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/05/4-principal-sources-of-power-of-the-roman-catholic-church/

    I just recently commented extensively on this topic: http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1625914 , http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624501 ,and http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    Yeah I was about to say, he was the opposite of a nationalist in every way, no single person is more responsible for the death of "Middle America" and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
    , @Ace
    My considerable affection for Reagan has diminished greatly the more it has become clear that he voluntarily and knowingly agreed to amnesty with zero safeguards. He knew what he was doing.

    No trust but verify there. He had no desire to preserve America as a white European nation.

    Eight years ago Hanson was peddling the 12 million "aliens" fairy tale - still alive and well now - implicitly approving of Abe the Usurper and Teddy the Fixer.
  13. Randal says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I agree; particularly with your last paragraph. After over a century of prog wrecking, true conservatism in this country must devote a follow-on century to radical destruction and reconstruction. Pure conservatism is no longer sufficient and hasn't been for a long time.

    I think you are probably right, but you can see what a problem this creates for visceral conservative types such as myself …..

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  14. 5371 says:

    I doubt the average pol could tell you that the capital of the former Upper Volta is Ouagadougou! Probably he would be afraid to give the correct answer even if he could, worrying it might sound racist.

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    • Replies: @tamako
    I would. When the "moderator" decries me as being "racist," I silently hold up my phone and go straight to the camera, then search for "capital of Burkina Faso." Then, of course, lambast the French for introducing exotic spelling conventions.

    Of course, that going on uninterrupted would be rarer than, say, George Soros or any de Rothschild being lambasted by the media.

  15. Marcus says:
    @FKA Max

    Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist.
     
    St. Reagan

    Reagan’s 1986 comprehensive immigration bill turned out to be the most liberal amnesty for illegal aliens in our nation’s history, and set the stage for the present problem of 12 million aliens here unlawfully.
     
    - http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223401/st-reagan-victor-davis-hanson

    If the United States government shows no more willingness to deal with illegal immigration than has been shown by the Reagan Administration, then a migration from Latin America of the magnitude described above is certainly imminent. A Catholic majority in the United States and Vatican control of our government would greatly enhance the power of the Church not only in this country but worldwide.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/05/4-principal-sources-of-power-of-the-roman-catholic-church/


    I just recently commented extensively on this topic: http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1625914 , http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624501 ,and http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

    Yeah I was about to say, he was the opposite of a nationalist in every way, no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Yes,

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:


    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”
     
    - http://news.nd.edu/news/7089-ronald-reagan-legendary-subway-alum/

    Long-time Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh played a key role in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 :

    Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986#Legislative_background_and_description

    The topic of immigration came up early in the conversation and Hesburgh told of a plan that he and "good friend" former Sen. Alan Simpson, a conservative Republican from Wyoming, and liberal Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts put together to solve the immigration problem. They wanted to institute a European-style ID card that would be given to all, including undocumented immigrants, which Hesburgh thought would eliminate the need for all "the cops and robbers" at the border. If people had the ID, they could work; if not, they would be unable to obtain work and would eventually return home. But the American Civil Liberties Union objected to it and killed the idea, he said.
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/reporter-recalls-rocky-friendship-fr-theodore-hesburgh

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion.

    the relationship between the pope’s demand for open U.S. borders and the fact that 90% of immigrants are Roman Catholics; the Vatican takeover of the Republican Party.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/

    Invite the (Catholic into the Protestant) World

    Why has the Vatican taken its “open-borders” position on immigration into the U.S.?: http://www.population-security.org/issue_n.htm

    OPEN BORDERS: ANOTHER CONFLICT OF INTERESTS


    For obvious reasons, American lay Catholics oppose the Vatican's view on unrestricted immigration into the U.S. While the security-survival of the Papacy is greatly enhanced by this migration, as described by Ryscavage, the security-survival of the Catholic layman and his/her family are obviously undermined for economic, educational, medical, social and other reasons. Thus, as with family planning and abortion, the security-survival interests of the Catholic layman is pitted against the security-survival interests of the Papacy.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Invade the (Protect the Catholic) World

    See the CIA (Central/Catholic Intelligence Agency):


    There are many other knights with CIA connections. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the grande dame of American diplomacy, served as a U.S. ambassador to Italy in the 1950s and is now a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. William Buckley, Jr., a former CIA operative and the editor of the National Review, is a member, as is his brother James, a former senator from New York and now undersecretary of state for security assistance.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/


    See Opus Dei: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/


    And in light of the preceding, examine recent Opus Dei meddling in American military affairs, falsely attacking the man most responsible for forcing the American military to confront its violation of laws prohibiting religious influences guiding military policies:
     
    Oliver ''Iran-Contra'' North for example was raised Catholic, but is now a born-again Christian, but still maintains close connections with the Catholic Church/Vatican:

    Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of his mother, North has long attended Protestant or evangelical services with his wife and children.[44] - Wikipedia


    Asked about North as a keynote speaker, the Franciscan Foundation for the Holy Land issued the following statement that said North “is an expert on the region. He is also a committed Christian who knows the purpose and intentions of the Church community worldwide; and he is committed to educating our dinner guests about peace with all people of good will who respect the dignity of every human being.”
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/peace-justice/oliver-north-raise-money-franciscan-holy-land-foundation

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism:


    Prince has seven children. His youngest child, Charles Donovan, was named after William "Wild Bill" Donovan.[42] [...] Prince describes himself as a libertarian and practicing Roman Catholic.[26]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who “by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and championed the Church.”
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/
  16. FKA Max says:
    @Marcus
    Yeah I was about to say, he was the opposite of a nationalist in every way, no single person is more responsible for the death of "Middle America" and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.

    Yes,

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:

    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”

    http://news.nd.edu/news/7089-ronald-reagan-legendary-subway-alum/

    Long-time Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh played a key role in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 :

    Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986#Legislative_background_and_description

    The topic of immigration came up early in the conversation and Hesburgh told of a plan that he and “good friend” former Sen. Alan Simpson, a conservative Republican from Wyoming, and liberal Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts put together to solve the immigration problem. They wanted to institute a European-style ID card that would be given to all, including undocumented immigrants, which Hesburgh thought would eliminate the need for all “the cops and robbers” at the border. If people had the ID, they could work; if not, they would be unable to obtain work and would eventually return home. But the American Civil Liberties Union objected to it and killed the idea, he said.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/reporter-recalls-rocky-friendship-fr-theodore-hesburgh

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion.

    the relationship between the pope’s demand for open U.S. borders and the fact that 90% of immigrants are Roman Catholics; the Vatican takeover of the Republican Party.

    http://www.population-security.org/

    Invite the (Catholic into the Protestant) World

    Why has the Vatican taken its “open-borders” position on immigration into the U.S.?: http://www.population-security.org/issue_n.htm

    OPEN BORDERS: ANOTHER CONFLICT OF INTERESTS

    For obvious reasons, American lay Catholics oppose the Vatican’s view on unrestricted immigration into the U.S. While the security-survival of the Papacy is greatly enhanced by this migration, as described by Ryscavage, the security-survival of the Catholic layman and his/her family are obviously undermined for economic, educational, medical, social and other reasons. Thus, as with family planning and abortion, the security-survival interests of the Catholic layman is pitted against the security-survival interests of the Papacy.

    http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Invade the (Protect the Catholic) World

    See the CIA (Central/Catholic Intelligence Agency):

    There are many other knights with CIA connections. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the grande dame of American diplomacy, served as a U.S. ambassador to Italy in the 1950s and is now a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. William Buckley, Jr., a former CIA operative and the editor of the National Review, is a member, as is his brother James, a former senator from New York and now undersecretary of state for security assistance.

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

    See Opus Dei: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/

    And in light of the preceding, examine recent Opus Dei meddling in American military affairs, falsely attacking the man most responsible for forcing the American military to confront its violation of laws prohibiting religious influences guiding military policies:

    Oliver ”Iran-Contra” North for example was raised Catholic, but is now a born-again Christian, but still maintains close connections with the Catholic Church/Vatican:

    Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of his mother, North has long attended Protestant or evangelical services with his wife and children.[44] – Wikipedia

    Asked about North as a keynote speaker, the Franciscan Foundation for the Holy Land issued the following statement that said North “is an expert on the region. He is also a committed Christian who knows the purpose and intentions of the Church community worldwide; and he is committed to educating our dinner guests about peace with all people of good will who respect the dignity of every human being.”

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/peace-justice/oliver-north-raise-money-franciscan-holy-land-foundation

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism:

    Prince has seven children. His youngest child, Charles Donovan, was named after William “Wild Bill” Donovan.[42] [...] Prince describes himself as a libertarian and practicing Roman Catholic.[26]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who “by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and championed the Church.”

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    I agree that the RCC is a dangerous fifth column, even more than the other churches, but they don't seem to be pushing for any kind of preferential immigration policy: the Vatican has asked the Western world to welcome overwhelmingly Muslim "refugees" and we're getting plenty of Protestants, Buddhists, etc. Also Catholics who actually think "Hispanics" are going to be a reliable Catholic block are going to be badly disappointed: Latin Americans, especially the more native ones, are nominal Catholics for the most part, and are converting to Evangelical churches in droves: Guatemala is already around 40% Protestant IIRC.
    , @Clyde

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     
    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.
    , @Hibernian
    I'm trying to figure out how Notre Dame has subway alums, unless they commuted every day on the South Shore Line, when it went to downtown South Bend. Couldn't have been too many of those.
  17. Marcus says:
    @FKA Max
    Yes,

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:


    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”
     
    - http://news.nd.edu/news/7089-ronald-reagan-legendary-subway-alum/

    Long-time Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh played a key role in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 :

    Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986#Legislative_background_and_description

    The topic of immigration came up early in the conversation and Hesburgh told of a plan that he and "good friend" former Sen. Alan Simpson, a conservative Republican from Wyoming, and liberal Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts put together to solve the immigration problem. They wanted to institute a European-style ID card that would be given to all, including undocumented immigrants, which Hesburgh thought would eliminate the need for all "the cops and robbers" at the border. If people had the ID, they could work; if not, they would be unable to obtain work and would eventually return home. But the American Civil Liberties Union objected to it and killed the idea, he said.
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/reporter-recalls-rocky-friendship-fr-theodore-hesburgh

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion.

    the relationship between the pope’s demand for open U.S. borders and the fact that 90% of immigrants are Roman Catholics; the Vatican takeover of the Republican Party.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/

    Invite the (Catholic into the Protestant) World

    Why has the Vatican taken its “open-borders” position on immigration into the U.S.?: http://www.population-security.org/issue_n.htm

    OPEN BORDERS: ANOTHER CONFLICT OF INTERESTS


    For obvious reasons, American lay Catholics oppose the Vatican's view on unrestricted immigration into the U.S. While the security-survival of the Papacy is greatly enhanced by this migration, as described by Ryscavage, the security-survival of the Catholic layman and his/her family are obviously undermined for economic, educational, medical, social and other reasons. Thus, as with family planning and abortion, the security-survival interests of the Catholic layman is pitted against the security-survival interests of the Papacy.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Invade the (Protect the Catholic) World

    See the CIA (Central/Catholic Intelligence Agency):


    There are many other knights with CIA connections. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the grande dame of American diplomacy, served as a U.S. ambassador to Italy in the 1950s and is now a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. William Buckley, Jr., a former CIA operative and the editor of the National Review, is a member, as is his brother James, a former senator from New York and now undersecretary of state for security assistance.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/


    See Opus Dei: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/


    And in light of the preceding, examine recent Opus Dei meddling in American military affairs, falsely attacking the man most responsible for forcing the American military to confront its violation of laws prohibiting religious influences guiding military policies:
     
    Oliver ''Iran-Contra'' North for example was raised Catholic, but is now a born-again Christian, but still maintains close connections with the Catholic Church/Vatican:

    Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of his mother, North has long attended Protestant or evangelical services with his wife and children.[44] - Wikipedia


    Asked about North as a keynote speaker, the Franciscan Foundation for the Holy Land issued the following statement that said North “is an expert on the region. He is also a committed Christian who knows the purpose and intentions of the Church community worldwide; and he is committed to educating our dinner guests about peace with all people of good will who respect the dignity of every human being.”
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/peace-justice/oliver-north-raise-money-franciscan-holy-land-foundation

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism:


    Prince has seven children. His youngest child, Charles Donovan, was named after William "Wild Bill" Donovan.[42] [...] Prince describes himself as a libertarian and practicing Roman Catholic.[26]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who “by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and championed the Church.”
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

    I agree that the RCC is a dangerous fifth column, even more than the other churches, but they don’t seem to be pushing for any kind of preferential immigration policy: the Vatican has asked the Western world to welcome overwhelmingly Muslim “refugees” and we’re getting plenty of Protestants, Buddhists, etc. Also Catholics who actually think “Hispanics” are going to be a reliable Catholic block are going to be badly disappointed: Latin Americans, especially the more native ones, are nominal Catholics for the most part, and are converting to Evangelical churches in droves: Guatemala is already around 40% Protestant IIRC.

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    So far, it seems that most Muslim refugees end up in non-Catholic, Protestant, or formerly majority-Protestant countries, e.g. Greece, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, etc.

    The Pope is currently on an ecumenical public relations/propaganda tour in Sweden, probably commending the Swedes for having taken in so many Muslim refugees, and encouraging them to squeeze in a couple more:


    "The animosity and resentments left by the Reformation only began to heal after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, with the start of an ecumenical dialogue aimed at promoting Christian unity.

    "There are still some doctrinal disputes. But Pope Francis says that while theologians iron out their differences, the two churches can work together on social issues like caring for the poor, migrants and refugees, and combating persecution of Christians."
     
    - http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/31/500057532/in-show-of-unity-pope-francis-marks-500th-anniversary-of-protestant-reformation


    Also, many Asian-Americans are actually Catholic, e.g. Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.:

    The survey finds a plurality of Asian Americans are Christian (42%), including 22% who are Protestant and a slightly smaller percentage who are Catholic (19%).
     
    - http://www.pewforum.org/2012/07/19/asian-americans-a-mosaic-of-faiths-overview/

    I am not a Christian myself, but it seems that some Latino- and European-American Evangelicals seem to be waking up to this Vatican fifth column, again, and are resisting it. It will be interesting to see, how all this plays out in the end:

    ISIS, CIA, AND VATICAN CONNECTION

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtuQiK1GMdU


    Published on Dec 11, 2015

    Can the connection between ISIS, the CIA, and the Vatican be proven? Revelation 17 says the great whore, Pope Francis and the Vatican, is the power behind it all.
  18. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Uniparty. LOL. That just about sums it up.

    Many cons have attacked the GOP for veering ‘leftward’ and abandoning/betraying true conservatism. They say the Democrats won because GOP’s brand of Conservatism is just Liberalism 10 or 20 yrs behind.

    But this overlooks what really happened in the 90s. Clinton veered ‘rightward’ in abandoning big labor and pandering to the newly rising class of the ‘creative class’(lately mocked by Thomas Frank) and the super-rich ‘free trade’ class.

    And all this multi-culti globalist thing may hurt a lot of whites, but it has also been great for white privilege for those who are part of the upper-middle class or above. Diversity saves cities because immigrants, esp docile ‘Hispanics’ and Asians, are preferable to blacks and mostly take cues from white elites.

    And even though PC may attack ‘white privilege’ today, its global effect is to undermine nationalism and sovereignty in EVERY nation.

    Homo pride parades have spread even to Turkey. East Asian elites(apart from China) are total flunkies of American PC as so many of their academics study in the US.
    And children of immigrants soak up all the Hollywood-MTV crap and spread it back in their own homeland. If you’ve met Iranian-Americans, you know what I mean. It almost makes you admire the Islamic Revolution for boosting nationalism against US influence.

    So, the reason why Democrats came on top wasn’t so much because ‘left’ won and GOP just followed. It was because Democrats were more creative and cunning in co-opting the ‘rightist’ factions and agendas from the GOP.

    People like Ann Coulter always say it was rise of color that did the GOP in. Sure, this is true in some states like CA., and it shouldn’t be overlooked.
    But so many whites(even in mostly white states) are pro-Democratic for reasons that the Dems now offer both super-privilege and proggy symbolism.

    People like Ann Coulter are really butt-hurt because they can’t believe that so many rich whites and Jews(and Asians) have gone over to the Dems even though GOP has been more shamelessly pro-rich in its agenda. Coulter and Co. couldn’t accept the fact that Democrats also offer sweet deals to the Rich class.
    But the narrative began to shift with the Trump campaign because it is now out in the OPEN: GOP must realign by being the party of middle class and working class. This is why Mr. Bane Mitt Romney is shi**ing.
    In 2012, Coulter was defending the makers against takers. Now, she is saying the so-called ‘makers’ are the takers because they are ones funding globalism against the will of white American majority who are hurting like Buchanan warned in the 90s.

    [MORE]

    With the Dems having become a ‘uniparty’ that attracts super-rich donors and the educated rich class, traditional GOP is caught in a jam.
    GOP offers even more riches to the rich class, but the rich class’s response, “We are swimming in more dough than we can spend. We can make tons under the Democrats.” Look at rich folks in Hollywood and Silicon Valley in ultra-demmy California. They are loaded with dough.

    Rich folks want more profits but they want good publicity too, and GOP label is ‘party of greed’ whereas Clinton’s remade Dem Party is effectively a party of ‘greed’ but one wrapped in symbols of Civil Rights and ‘gay rights’ and Diversity. “Profits for progress”.

    But Trump offers a major chance for realignment. Win or lose, he has exposed how hollow the GOP has become. GOP is in a bind. Its core base, the Evangelicals, is a liability as well as an asset. Bush II won reelection by rousing up this Base. But the closer GOP gets to this Base, the more it looks uncool, dumb, and ignorant. That Terry Schiavo and stem cell stuff really alienated lots of American voters, especially the richer and better-educated folks.

    But then, if the GOP panders to the libertarian rich class, it alienates the base. Besides, the globalist rich class have it so good under the Dems. It aint the New Deal Party no more, but then US is no longer a manufacturing-centered nation.

    But surely even the Dems know that politics is getting stranger and weirder. Democrats are present itself as the party at war with both ‘homophobia’ and ‘Islamophobia’. ?!?! It’s the party that defends Muslims from Trump while destroying Muslim nations like Libya and Syria. It also professes to defend wonderful Muslims from deplorable white monsters, but it also supports Israel over Palestinians(most of whom are Muslim). Progs denounce ‘western oppression’ but use the power of the west to push homo agenda all over. How long can Democrats carry on as the Party of BDS and Haim Saban?

    The conflating of minority politics and progressive politics(struggle for equality) paradoxically made Privilege the New Progress.

    In a way, leftist politics has been both anti- and pro- minority.

    It was about the majority class of workers and peasants against the minority-privilege class of aristocrats or super-rich bourgeoisie.
    Or, it could be an anti-imperialist struggle of majority of native folks against minority elite-alien rulers. British ruled as alien elite minorities in places like Egypt, India, and parts of Africa. Native majorities rose up against them.
    In such cases, leftism was pro-majority and anti-minority. The Will of the Masses. The French Revolution infused an ideological underpinning to the notion of the majority masses rising up to overthrow the elite minority aristocrats. Of course, the French Revolution created a new elite, but it was supposed to represent the Will of the People.

    But the Will of the Majority could lead to a kind of oppression. The majority oppression of the minority. It was one thing for the oppressed majority to overthrow the tyrannical minority but quite another for the majority to deny the minority ‘basic human rights’ or rule of law of the nation. This was blatantly true with blacks and American Indians in America. They were denied the basic rights that only applied to whites.
    And this was also a problem with various ethnic groups in Europe. German minorities could be mistreated in non-German majority lands, and non-Germans could be suppressed in German-majority lands.
    Even so, the comprise between Catholics and Protestants showed that an understanding and truce could be reached. In Catholic majority lands, the Protestants would be tolerated and allowed to do their own thing, and vice versa. This way, Catholics accepted their minority status in Protestant-majority nations, and Protestants accepted their minority status in Catholic-majority nations. Catholic minorities would not try to subvert or take over majority Protestant nations, and Protestant minorities would not try to subvert or take over majority Catholic nations.
    So, even as a majority nation would more-or-less favor the will of the majority, the minorities would be given certain rights and protections as well.
    And this seemed pretty acceptable to most places. It’s like modern Turkey came to tolerate people of all religions but still maintained itself as a mostly Modern-Muslim nation. Its secular government protected the rights of minorities, but there was no doubt about the Islamic-Turkic character of Turkey.

    But if Protestant minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Catholic nations and if Catholic minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Protestant nations(and if Christian minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Muslim nations), Jews were one minority group that was not okay with their soft-inferior status in Christian-Gentile nations. So, even though there was no overt anti-Jewish laws in the US, the idea of US as essentially a majority-white-gentile-Christian nation rubbed off wrong on the Jews. It wasn’t enough that Jews were tolerated and allowed to operate freely as individuals. The whole character of the US had to be changed. The idea that white-gentile-Christian identity/history/culture matters more than others is seen as an affront to the Jewish minority(but Jews are adamant that Israel must be defined by its majority Jewish population that must remain a majority forever).

    All things being equal, a nation with majority and minority will be ruled and dominated by the majority. Suppose People A are a majority and People B are a minority in a certain nation. Suppose both peoples are equal in intelligence and other abilities. Then, People A will have the dominant position over People B. Even if laws apply equally to all, the fact that there are more People A will mean more of People A as successful businessmen, doctors, scientists, etc.
    But suppose the minority People B are higher in IQ and certain abilities essential for social success. Then, this will cause problems. People A will feel that the nation should reflect the majority culture as the core culture, but People B may not be so compliant on grounds that the smarter people should rule. Smart people always want control over dumber folks. Imagine you have an IQ of 100 and you’re in a room full of kids with 80 IQ. Do you want to control them or be controlled by them?

    Anyway, if Jews had been of regular IQ, they might have been just another minority happy with their lot. In America, they might have been like Cubans and Italians and content to be tolerated and allowed to their thing. But if you’re someone like Alan Dershowitz with someone like Dan Quayle, you’re gonna feel like the Marx Brothers running circles around stiff, witless, or dumb goyim.

    This is further complicated by the fact that Jews gained power quietly than loudly. If you’re part of a regiment of British troops in India, your minority-imperial power over the natives will be obvious. You shoot loud volleys of gunfire, and the brown natives drop like flies, and you fly the British Flag and tell the ‘wogs’ that your bloody bloke kind are now in control. What can be more obvious than that? It’s like what the Romans did. You declare your kind to be minority-elite rulers over the native population.

    In contrast, Jews didn’t take over white gentile societies with such exclamatory actions. Furthermore, many successful Jews merely passed as ‘white’. It was like the gradual takeover over aristocratic Western Civilization by the bourgeoisie. French Revolution was an anomaly. In most places, the bourgeoisie took the reins of power from the nobility peacefully(though dramatically). In time, the aristocrats had only their titles left, and they could either marry with the bourgeois families(that strove for respectability) or sell their titles. There has been a kind of merging of Jews and Wasps in the US along the similar manner. Wasps, seeing their fortunes slip away, figured one way to remain on top was to marry with up-and-coming Jews. Because the Jewish Revolution was a silent revolution, many people still don’t know that US is a minority-ruled nation. But the minority-rule is more effective in the US than in the USSR under Bolshevism.

    The Minority Paradox in America makes for strange politics. On the one hand, minority status in the American Narrative is associated with oppression and denial of rights: Black slavery, Jim Crow laws, Chinese railroad workers, American Indians, and even Irish Catholic minorities.
    But the most powerful people in America are the Jews, members of a minority. (Even among whites, it was minority Episcopalians who often had the dominant power over other groups.) So, minority power(at least that of Jews) has become the ruling power in America. US is a nation ruled by a powerful minority that, however, automatically conflates minority status with ‘victim-hood’. (This is also complicated with blacks and sports. Blacks are minority but totally dominant in sports that defines so much of American Culture. And when one considers that Media and Sports teams are largely owned by Jews, things get stranger yet. All these tough blacks who make mega-bucks pose as victims on the sports fields. And the owners of these teams, the billionaire Jews, also pose as members of an Eternal Victim Group. Victimism is addictive, and its junkies are like avicts).
    Not all minorities are doing well in America. American Indians are in the pits. Even though some blacks gained great success in sports, entertainment, and government, many blacks are stuck in the ghetto. Many Mexicans are stuck in menial jobs generation after generation. Hawaiians are just getting fatter from too many snack chips. But then, no group is doing as well as the Jews, and that means minority privilege rules America. And yet, Jews use the media to push the narrative that minority status = victimhood. According to this narrative, all ‘victim’ minorities should band together against the oppressive deplorable white majority. But there is a huge difference between a Jewish billionaire on Wall Street and a fat Hawaiian on a beach sitting on his whale-butt munching on Doritos. Also, white community is divided between the globalist ‘creative class’ that collaborate with the rich and the ‘deplorables’ who are losing out in the NWO. So, reality is far more complex than what the PC narrative gives us. Yes, there are minority groups in the US that are doing considerably worse than the White Average. But there are also minority groups that are doing considerably better and hold immense power. Jews rule many elite institutions. Asians take so many college slots. And homos control so much of pop culture and advertising.

    The Minority Paradox is best illustrated by the status of homos in the West. They are portrayed so often as a victim-group deserving of compassion and sympathy, but no group has been more celebrated by advertising, TV, and pop culture in general than homos. They are treated like the new aristocrats, the new royalty, even like angels or gods. And a lot of this owes to Jewish power that either sees in homos their mirror image of the ‘successful outsider minority’ or a proxy that will divert attention away from Jewish Power that is behind the ‘gay’ mask. It’s like Ivan the Terrible uses the silly idiot boy to draw attention of Ivan’s enemies. Homos are so vain that when the Globalists put a crown on their head, they can’t help play along even though homos may draw the ire as the face of US imperialism.

    Will the West survive? One look at history, and the main reason for downfall of regimes, kingdoms, civilizations, and political orders was lack of courage, fear of truth, and culture of dishonesty. This is understandable since every order fears the unfettered truth that may speak truth to power. Truth can bring down an order, but lies and dishonesty can lead to a much bigger fall.

    Take Japan in the 30s. Honest criticism might have brought down the repressive military order(that was leading Japan down a reckless path), but Japan would have been spared. But a culture of lies led to Japan’s war with China and then with US, and then Japan itself was crushed totally.
    Even though Japan was headed toward destruction, the culture of honor-correctness-and-cowardice led to silence and the total destruction of Japan. That silence destroyed Japan.
    Same with Germany. Surely, many Germans knew Hitler was leading Germany on the path to disaster, but they remained silent or just went along. To be sure, there could be severe penalty for anyone who dared to be courageous.
    Failure to speak honestly is like a doctor not making the necessary diagnosis based on the symptoms.

    West is doomed unless it breaks out of PC and speaks truthfully. It’s like cancer. Ironically, Susan Sontag who once called white race a ‘cancer’ later wrote about cancer as dangerous metaphor and how it silenced many people from dealing honestly. Too many people thought it was better to just give up all hope OR deny the fatality of the condition or keep the truth from the patient(like in IKIRU by Kurosawa).

    But the ONLY chance one has is to speak honestly that cancer is present and that something must be done about it. One must be honest, forthright, and take action.
    But in the West, truth is seen as cancer whereas lies are administered as treatment.
    The demographic threat to Europe from Muslim and especially African migration is HUGE, but Europeans are supposed to welcome it as Diversity or an opportunity to atone for ‘racism’ and Holocaust. But the result will be Eurocaust for white folks.
    West is like a cancer patient that won’t acknowledge that it is suffering from the cancer of Diversity. Rather, PC tells the Western Patient that this Diversity is the cure and that chemotherapy(or demotherapy that defends the racial integrity of the West) is the cancer. So, welcome the cancer as the cure and reject the only effective treatment as the disease.

    Now, the truth can kill, but lies will kill far more.
    Also, even when truth kills, it kills effectively only until the desired outcome is achieved. In contrast, the Lie will lead to endless killings.

    Suppose a bunch of coyotes are attacking sheep. That is the truth. This truth will kill in the sense that those coyotes will have to be hunted to save the sheep. Dead coyotes may be sad, but it must be done in order for the sheep to live. And once the coyotes are gone, there is no more killing.

    But suppose the Lie is told about the coyotes and sheep. Coyotes kill the sheep, but the Lie says that the collie dogs are killing the sheep whereas coyotes are helping the sheep. Such a lie will lead to endless killings. Coyotes will go on killing sheep(without end) while innocent sheep-herding dogs will be hunted down in the conviction that dogs must die in order for the sheep to live.

    Killing by truth is limited and effective. Killing by lies never end.

    EU is being invaded by Africans and Muslims. But PC tells whites that nothing bad is happening. If anything, PC says this Diversity is a cure for EU. Without it, “Europe wont’ survive.” And the real enemies of EU are the patriots who call for defense of homeland.

    Yeah, right. It’s like saying shepherds should welcome coyotes while killing the collies defending the sheep from the coyotes.

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    That's excellent. Spectre's "Europe won't survive" argument is seen clearly as her selling the cancer.
  19. FKA Max says:
    @Marcus
    I agree that the RCC is a dangerous fifth column, even more than the other churches, but they don't seem to be pushing for any kind of preferential immigration policy: the Vatican has asked the Western world to welcome overwhelmingly Muslim "refugees" and we're getting plenty of Protestants, Buddhists, etc. Also Catholics who actually think "Hispanics" are going to be a reliable Catholic block are going to be badly disappointed: Latin Americans, especially the more native ones, are nominal Catholics for the most part, and are converting to Evangelical churches in droves: Guatemala is already around 40% Protestant IIRC.

    So far, it seems that most Muslim refugees end up in non-Catholic, Protestant, or formerly majority-Protestant countries, e.g. Greece, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, etc.

    The Pope is currently on an ecumenical public relations/propaganda tour in Sweden, probably commending the Swedes for having taken in so many Muslim refugees, and encouraging them to squeeze in a couple more:

    “The animosity and resentments left by the Reformation only began to heal after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, with the start of an ecumenical dialogue aimed at promoting Christian unity.

    “There are still some doctrinal disputes. But Pope Francis says that while theologians iron out their differences, the two churches can work together on social issues like caring for the poor, migrants and refugees, and combating persecution of Christians.”

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/31/500057532/in-show-of-unity-pope-francis-marks-500th-anniversary-of-protestant-reformation

    Also, many Asian-Americans are actually Catholic, e.g. Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.:

    The survey finds a plurality of Asian Americans are Christian (42%), including 22% who are Protestant and a slightly smaller percentage who are Catholic (19%).

    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/07/19/asian-americans-a-mosaic-of-faiths-overview/

    I am not a Christian myself, but it seems that some Latino- and European-American Evangelicals seem to be waking up to this Vatican fifth column, again, and are resisting it. It will be interesting to see, how all this plays out in the end:

    ISIS, CIA, AND VATICAN CONNECTION

    Published on Dec 11, 2015

    Can the connection between ISIS, the CIA, and the Vatican be proven? Revelation 17 says the great whore, Pope Francis and the Vatican, is the power behind it all.

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    France has the largest Muslim immigrant population Belgium, Austria, Italy, and Ireland have plenty too. Meanwhile Germany and the Netherlands always had large Catholic minorities. You might have seen in the news recently a Muslim immigrants murdered a French priest in his church, the Pope is actively harming his flock by promoting immigration. If you're not a Christian, why are you citing Evangelical Jack Chick-type kooks and their interpretation of Revelations?
  20. Marcus says:
    @FKA Max
    So far, it seems that most Muslim refugees end up in non-Catholic, Protestant, or formerly majority-Protestant countries, e.g. Greece, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, etc.

    The Pope is currently on an ecumenical public relations/propaganda tour in Sweden, probably commending the Swedes for having taken in so many Muslim refugees, and encouraging them to squeeze in a couple more:


    "The animosity and resentments left by the Reformation only began to heal after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, with the start of an ecumenical dialogue aimed at promoting Christian unity.

    "There are still some doctrinal disputes. But Pope Francis says that while theologians iron out their differences, the two churches can work together on social issues like caring for the poor, migrants and refugees, and combating persecution of Christians."
     
    - http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/31/500057532/in-show-of-unity-pope-francis-marks-500th-anniversary-of-protestant-reformation


    Also, many Asian-Americans are actually Catholic, e.g. Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.:

    The survey finds a plurality of Asian Americans are Christian (42%), including 22% who are Protestant and a slightly smaller percentage who are Catholic (19%).
     
    - http://www.pewforum.org/2012/07/19/asian-americans-a-mosaic-of-faiths-overview/

    I am not a Christian myself, but it seems that some Latino- and European-American Evangelicals seem to be waking up to this Vatican fifth column, again, and are resisting it. It will be interesting to see, how all this plays out in the end:

    ISIS, CIA, AND VATICAN CONNECTION

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtuQiK1GMdU


    Published on Dec 11, 2015

    Can the connection between ISIS, the CIA, and the Vatican be proven? Revelation 17 says the great whore, Pope Francis and the Vatican, is the power behind it all.

    France has the largest Muslim immigrant population Belgium, Austria, Italy, and Ireland have plenty too. Meanwhile Germany and the Netherlands always had large Catholic minorities. You might have seen in the news recently a Muslim immigrants murdered a French priest in his church, the Pope is actively harming his flock by promoting immigration. If you’re not a Christian, why are you citing Evangelical Jack Chick-type kooks and their interpretation of Revelations?

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    If you’re not a Christian, why are you citing Evangelical Jack Chick-type kooks and their interpretation of Revelations?
     

    It is somewhat ironic, that you are calling these gentlemen ''kooks'', considering, that Mr. Derbyshire's article is titled Trump vs. the REAL Nuts... did you read the article?

    Sure, politicians talk a good rational game. They present as sober and thoughtful on the Sunday morning shows.

    Look at the stuff they believe, though.
     

    I am in fact so Christian, that I did not realize, that these two gentlemen were not Evangelicals, but are actually Seventh-Day Adventists.

    You might have seen in the news recently a Muslim immigrants murdered a French priest in his church, the Pope is actively harming his flock by promoting immigration.
     

    ordo ab chao - one of the oldest mottos of Craft Freemasonry.[3]
     
    The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the ''refugee crisis'', etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican; read my comment for more details here: http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

    Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).
     

    Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation: [propaˈɡanda ˈduːe]; P2) was a Masonic lodge founded in 1945 that, by the time its Masonic charter was withdrawn in 1976, had transformed into a clandestine, pseudo-Masonic, ultraright[1][2][3] organization operating in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy that banned secret associations. In its latter period, during which the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.[4]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

    In July 1982, Marcinkus was implicated in financial scandals being reported on the front pages of newspapers and magazines throughout Europe, particularly the collapse of the Banco Ambrosiano, in which Propaganda Due (aka "P2"), a Masonic Lodge, was involved (Marcinkus had been a director of Ambrosiano Overseas, based in Nassau, Bahamas, and had been involved with Ambrosiano's chairman, financier Roberto Calvi, for a number of years). He was also involved with Michele Sindona, who had links with the Mafia.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus#Vatican_Banker
  21. FKA Max says:
    @Marcus
    France has the largest Muslim immigrant population Belgium, Austria, Italy, and Ireland have plenty too. Meanwhile Germany and the Netherlands always had large Catholic minorities. You might have seen in the news recently a Muslim immigrants murdered a French priest in his church, the Pope is actively harming his flock by promoting immigration. If you're not a Christian, why are you citing Evangelical Jack Chick-type kooks and their interpretation of Revelations?

    If you’re not a Christian, why are you citing Evangelical Jack Chick-type kooks and their interpretation of Revelations?

    It is somewhat ironic, that you are calling these gentlemen ”kooks”, considering, that Mr. Derbyshire’s article is titled Trump vs. the REAL Nuts… did you read the article?

    Sure, politicians talk a good rational game. They present as sober and thoughtful on the Sunday morning shows.

    Look at the stuff they believe, though.

    I am in fact so Christian, that I did not realize, that these two gentlemen were not Evangelicals, but are actually Seventh-Day Adventists.

    You might have seen in the news recently a Muslim immigrants murdered a French priest in his church, the Pope is actively harming his flock by promoting immigration.

    ordo ab chao – one of the oldest mottos of Craft Freemasonry.[3]

    The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the ”refugee crisis”, etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican; read my comment for more details here: http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

    Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).

    Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation: [propaˈɡanda ˈduːe]; P2) was a Masonic lodge founded in 1945 that, by the time its Masonic charter was withdrawn in 1976, had transformed into a clandestine, pseudo-Masonic, ultraright[1][2][3] organization operating in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy that banned secret associations. In its latter period, during which the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona’s financial empire.[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

    In July 1982, Marcinkus was implicated in financial scandals being reported on the front pages of newspapers and magazines throughout Europe, particularly the collapse of the Banco Ambrosiano, in which Propaganda Due (aka “P2″), a Masonic Lodge, was involved (Marcinkus had been a director of Ambrosiano Overseas, based in Nassau, Bahamas, and had been involved with Ambrosiano’s chairman, financier Roberto Calvi, for a number of years). He was also involved with Michele Sindona, who had links with the Mafia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus#Vatican_Banker

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  22. Clyde says:
    @FKA Max
    Yes,

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:


    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”
     
    - http://news.nd.edu/news/7089-ronald-reagan-legendary-subway-alum/

    Long-time Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh played a key role in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 :

    Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986#Legislative_background_and_description

    The topic of immigration came up early in the conversation and Hesburgh told of a plan that he and "good friend" former Sen. Alan Simpson, a conservative Republican from Wyoming, and liberal Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts put together to solve the immigration problem. They wanted to institute a European-style ID card that would be given to all, including undocumented immigrants, which Hesburgh thought would eliminate the need for all "the cops and robbers" at the border. If people had the ID, they could work; if not, they would be unable to obtain work and would eventually return home. But the American Civil Liberties Union objected to it and killed the idea, he said.
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/reporter-recalls-rocky-friendship-fr-theodore-hesburgh

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion.

    the relationship between the pope’s demand for open U.S. borders and the fact that 90% of immigrants are Roman Catholics; the Vatican takeover of the Republican Party.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/

    Invite the (Catholic into the Protestant) World

    Why has the Vatican taken its “open-borders” position on immigration into the U.S.?: http://www.population-security.org/issue_n.htm

    OPEN BORDERS: ANOTHER CONFLICT OF INTERESTS


    For obvious reasons, American lay Catholics oppose the Vatican's view on unrestricted immigration into the U.S. While the security-survival of the Papacy is greatly enhanced by this migration, as described by Ryscavage, the security-survival of the Catholic layman and his/her family are obviously undermined for economic, educational, medical, social and other reasons. Thus, as with family planning and abortion, the security-survival interests of the Catholic layman is pitted against the security-survival interests of the Papacy.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Invade the (Protect the Catholic) World

    See the CIA (Central/Catholic Intelligence Agency):


    There are many other knights with CIA connections. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the grande dame of American diplomacy, served as a U.S. ambassador to Italy in the 1950s and is now a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. William Buckley, Jr., a former CIA operative and the editor of the National Review, is a member, as is his brother James, a former senator from New York and now undersecretary of state for security assistance.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/


    See Opus Dei: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/


    And in light of the preceding, examine recent Opus Dei meddling in American military affairs, falsely attacking the man most responsible for forcing the American military to confront its violation of laws prohibiting religious influences guiding military policies:
     
    Oliver ''Iran-Contra'' North for example was raised Catholic, but is now a born-again Christian, but still maintains close connections with the Catholic Church/Vatican:

    Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of his mother, North has long attended Protestant or evangelical services with his wife and children.[44] - Wikipedia


    Asked about North as a keynote speaker, the Franciscan Foundation for the Holy Land issued the following statement that said North “is an expert on the region. He is also a committed Christian who knows the purpose and intentions of the Church community worldwide; and he is committed to educating our dinner guests about peace with all people of good will who respect the dignity of every human being.”
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/peace-justice/oliver-north-raise-money-franciscan-holy-land-foundation

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism:


    Prince has seven children. His youngest child, Charles Donovan, was named after William "Wild Bill" Donovan.[42] [...] Prince describes himself as a libertarian and practicing Roman Catholic.[26]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who “by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and championed the Church.”
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.

    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.

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    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.
     
    I was quoting commenter Marcus from comment #15 http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1629719 , who was referring to President Reagan; and I was trying to explain to him, where, I believe, the Invade the World/Invite the World ideology really originates from, namely from the Vatican (as I explained above).

    If you are interested in this topic, here are some more comments of mine related to it. Much of my commenting as of late here on the Unz Review, has been dedicated to this specific dynamic:

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility


    http://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/#comment-1607054

    Hemispheric Open Borders Trial Run: Puerto Rico

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hemispheric-open-borders-trial-run-puerto-rico/#comment-1622226

    This was due entirely to the influence of the Catholic hierarchy on politics. The now Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI denounced the policy to make birth control affordable during his visit at that time. So the churches right wing makes sure the poor non-White Catholics have more children than they can care for, and the church’s Left wing keeps them in the pews through its social gospel discourse and demands that wealthy responsible White People submit to invasion by their parishioners. Just to reemphasize, the Left and Right wings of the Church are not opposing social forces, they are merely the right hand and left hand of the same dysgenic system.
    [...]
    What would America look like with a Catholic social policy?
    [...]
    The Brazilification of America would already be complete.
     
  23. You touched on something that the class know-it-all Peggy Noonan and the rest of the DC buffoonery completely miss. The guy builds stuff for a living. A very good living. You don’t put up big buildings globally and not have damn sober judgement about a million details. Even minor stuff like buying re-hab rental projects requires a thorough vetting of cost benefit analysis, ROI etc. Imagine working through big city regs and politics to get his projects done. Trump is in another league from these bureaucratic losers.

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  24. JackOH says:

    “Donald Trump is no nut.” Very true. His impious rhetoric seems to be a perfectly rational way of dealing with a nation that’s long gone off the rails.

    Try a thought experiment. Imagine–somehow–if Stalin or Hitler called for free elections in the 1930s or early 1940s. How would a credible Russian or German candidate address a public where organized opposition has been crushed or co-opted? My guess is that credible candidate would sound something like Trump. (I’m not a Trumpophile, but he deserves big-time credit for oxygenating the political atmosphere.)

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  25. brabantian says: • Website

    Without denying the massive nauseating dreary corruption of Hillary Clinton … Donald Trump is quite rooted in the Meyer Lansky mob (Cf Aangirfan), and thus Trump is tied to the very heights of Jewish mafia … with key Lansky lawyer tied to Trump, Alvin Ira Malnik, still alive today with stories he could tell

    Meyer Lansky (1902-1983) was the model for ‘Hyman Roth’ in the ‘Godfather’ films, tho the real Lansky died peacefully in Florida. Lansky & Lucky Luciano worked with US intel in WW2, & Lansky apparently had pix of J Edgar Hoover in a woman’s dress as with Hoover’s gay lover … the FBI ‘gave up’ on Lansky. Lansky’s final big dream was setting up gambling in New Jersey, with Donald Trump (born 1946) as point man with ‘Resorts International’ involving 2 close figures of the Meyer Lansky mob, gay Roy Marcus Cohn (1927-1986), biggest mentor of Trump’s youth, & Alvin Ira Malnik (born 1933), as well as Rockefellers, Rothschilds & intel agencies. Resorts Int’l is joined to an earlier Lansky-Malnik alleged mob front company ‘Mary Carter Paints’. Lansky & friends’ lobbying got New Jersey gambling legalised in 1977, with the Trump & Lansky pals casino going up afterwards.

    Alvin Malnik finished Miami law school in 1959 as Lansky was chased out of Cuba, & began working for Lansky & other ‘colourful’ clients, Morris Landsberg of the Las Vegas Flamingo opened by Bugsy Siegel, & Sam Cohen of the Las Vegas Riviera Hotel & Casino. Per Forbes magazine / LA Times, Malnik “essentially invented the black art of money-laundering, taking mob money & routing it to legitimate ventures (like real estate) … Malnik set up the Bank of Commerce in the Bahamas. Mob money flowed into its secret numbered accounts by hundreds of millions – (mob financier Meyer) Lansky money, most of it – & then out again into Tibor Rosenbaum’s International Credit Bank of Switzerland before returning to the United States.”

    Trump’s pal Malnik is presented today as an age 83 ‘philanthropist’ with of course an ‘edited’ bio on the site of Jewish mafioso & ex-pornographer Jimmy Jimbo Wales, the CIA-Mossad Wikipedia. Lansky & Malnik link the USA mobsters of the 1920-34 Prohibition era, to Donald Trump, Sheldon Adelson (also in the casino biz just like Lansky), & the heavy Jewish mafia dominance in the USA today … aided by the prosecution of the old Italian – Sicilian mafias by such as Rudy Giuliani, who, it is said, eliminated competition for the Russian-Jewish & Israel-tied mafias which have even deeper US political protection.

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  26. tamako says:
    @5371
    I doubt the average pol could tell you that the capital of the former Upper Volta is Ouagadougou! Probably he would be afraid to give the correct answer even if he could, worrying it might sound racist.

    I would. When the “moderator” decries me as being “racist,” I silently hold up my phone and go straight to the camera, then search for “capital of Burkina Faso.” Then, of course, lambast the French for introducing exotic spelling conventions.

    Of course, that going on uninterrupted would be rarer than, say, George Soros or any de Rothschild being lambasted by the media.

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  27. nsa says:

    Der Trumpster has balls the size of grapefruits. Any other pol, D or R, could have promoted an agenda beneficial to decent working americans: stop the turd world invasion, stop the crappy trade deals harming blue collar americans, stop the stupid foreign adventures costing trillions. Only Der Trumpster stepped forward…..the rest of the pols proved to be mostly cowards, commies, crooks, and traitors. Der Trumpster took on the vile KMMs (kosher media monopolies) head on and has threatened to break them up. He made fun of the pc special interest groups including sacred species like crips and fat chicks. Der Trumpster is america’s last chance to avoid becoming a northern version of brazil……

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  28. FKA Max says:
    @Clyde

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     
    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.

    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.

    I was quoting commenter Marcus from comment #15 http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1629719 , who was referring to President Reagan; and I was trying to explain to him, where, I believe, the Invade the World/Invite the World ideology really originates from, namely from the Vatican (as I explained above).

    If you are interested in this topic, here are some more comments of mine related to it. Much of my commenting as of late here on the Unz Review, has been dedicated to this specific dynamic:

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/#comment-1607054

    Hemispheric Open Borders Trial Run: Puerto Rico

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hemispheric-open-borders-trial-run-puerto-rico/#comment-1622226

    This was due entirely to the influence of the Catholic hierarchy on politics. The now Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI denounced the policy to make birth control affordable during his visit at that time. So the churches right wing makes sure the poor non-White Catholics have more children than they can care for, and the church’s Left wing keeps them in the pews through its social gospel discourse and demands that wealthy responsible White People submit to invasion by their parishioners. Just to reemphasize, the Left and Right wings of the Church are not opposing social forces, they are merely the right hand and left hand of the same dysgenic system.
    [...]
    What would America look like with a Catholic social policy?
    [...]
    The Brazilification of America would already be complete.

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    it was the catholic church that put an end to human sacrifice by the inca and aztec.that was one of the good things the abrahamic faiths did.not only in south america but africa and papua guinea too.other stuff did not work out well.remember too that rituals were adapted to suit the locals.that influence by south americans on catholism is now coming into contact with European catholism in america.should be a interesting mix.in south africa the zcc or zionist christian church has a huge following.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_Christian_Church
  29. @FKA Max

    Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific on a hand-built wooden raft to prove a point, which is not the kind of thing your average ethnographer would do. Was he crazy? No, he wasn’t. It was only that some feature of his personality drove him to use that way to prove the point he hoped to prove.
     
    The father of one of my friends from boarding school makes the exact same point. According to him, most true entrepreneurs(/explorers) have ADHD. I think Donald Trump has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well, which makes him seem a little bit ''nuts'' to ''normal'' people.

    Quite frankly, it helps to be a little bit crazy being an entrepreneur.
     
    For Mr. Smed's remarks on entrepreneur craziness and the connection to ADHD, watch the first 2 minutes of his following TED talk:

    TEDxUofC 'Building a Legacy' - Mogens Smed


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQphP_Gva8Y

    8. If you could have done anything differently in your career, what would it have been?

    I think I would have been a lot less impulsive. One of the things about most entrepreneurs, and I’m certainly one, is that we work on instinct and move fairly quickly. Sometimes I moved a bit too quickly, and it’s cost us a lot of time and money. In the construction business especially, decisions have to be made instantaneously. We have to make quick decisions to respond to needs of clients. Having said that, there are a lot of times where being less impulsive would have served me well.
     
    - http://fortune.com/2014/05/21/10-questions-mogens-smed-ceo-dirtt-environmental-solutions/

    I think Mr. Trump would agree.

    ” I think DT has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well”

    There is no such fucking thing as ADHD.

    This bogus disorder is another perfidious creation of the psychiatric and psycho-drugs community, designed to fatten their wallets, and gain more control over the unwashed masses, and to commit kids to a lifetime of “Therapy”, guaranteeing them, the shrinks income over decades.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty years-plus, and pro jazz performer.

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    I believe ADHD is a real thing, but I think it is a good thing, and even necessary for Civilization to progress and to evolve.

    Please, read my following comments on the Why and the How:

    This is just anecdotal evidence by by Dr Lendon H. Smith M.D. [1921-2001], but most other doctors and therapists dealing with hyperactive children, I checked online, observed and reported a similar pattern in the phenotype of their patients. Predominantly light-eyed Nordics.

    What are the hereditary factors? My study of these hyper children indicates that most — at least in my practice — are blue-eyed blondes or green-eyed redheads, Nordic types. I had the feeling that the Northern Europeans were restless in the old country, and when faced with the prospect of marrying the girl next door and farming for rest of his life, he decided to emigrate to the United States. Their restlessness forced them to keep on moving West until the Pacific Ocean stopped them.
     

     
    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-its-not-surprising-west-africans-dominate-sprinting/#comment-1533940


    About half of Americans born at the turn of the 20th century had blue eyes, according to a 2002 Loyola University study in Chicago. By mid-century that number had dropped to a third. Today only about one 1 of every 6 Americans has blue eyes, said Mark Grant, the epidemiologist who conducted the study.
     
    What kind of effect does and will this have on the pioneering and ”New Frontier” spirit of the United States of America?

    Space was a “new frontier,” a “new sea” in the next great age of discovery. The conquest of space, a historic and strategic imperative, would challenge Americans to show their greatness and would signal national prestige and global leadership. Invoking the competition of the space race, the speech nevertheless transcended the Cold War by emphasizing a romantic and visionary national quest. It stressed how practical and technological greatness could mix with the noblest goals of human aspiration.
     

     
    - http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-its-not-surprising-west-africans-dominate-sprinting/#comment-1534014
  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Imperial Progressives are on the march. Their faith is Homomania in the great fruitsade to plant the ‘gay’ flag on every nation.

    Onward, tranny soldiers, prancing as to war,
    with the ‘gay rainbow’ going on before.
    Fruit, the royal ass-blaster, leads against the foe;
    forward into bathhouse see his banners go!

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  31. FKA Max says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " I think DT has (undiagnosed) ADHD as well"

    There is no such fucking thing as ADHD.

    This bogus disorder is another perfidious creation of the psychiatric and psycho-drugs community, designed to fatten their wallets, and gain more control over the unwashed masses, and to commit kids to a lifetime of "Therapy", guaranteeing them, the shrinks income over decades.


    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty years-plus, and pro jazz performer.

    I believe ADHD is a real thing, but I think it is a good thing, and even necessary for Civilization to progress and to evolve.

    Please, read my following comments on the Why and the How:

    This is just anecdotal evidence by by Dr Lendon H. Smith M.D. [1921-2001], but most other doctors and therapists dealing with hyperactive children, I checked online, observed and reported a similar pattern in the phenotype of their patients. Predominantly light-eyed Nordics.

    What are the hereditary factors? My study of these hyper children indicates that most — at least in my practice — are blue-eyed blondes or green-eyed redheads, Nordic types. I had the feeling that the Northern Europeans were restless in the old country, and when faced with the prospect of marrying the girl next door and farming for rest of his life, he decided to emigrate to the United States. Their restlessness forced them to keep on moving West until the Pacific Ocean stopped them.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-its-not-surprising-west-africans-dominate-sprinting/#comment-1533940

    About half of Americans born at the turn of the 20th century had blue eyes, according to a 2002 Loyola University study in Chicago. By mid-century that number had dropped to a third. Today only about one 1 of every 6 Americans has blue eyes, said Mark Grant, the epidemiologist who conducted the study.

    What kind of effect does and will this have on the pioneering and ”New Frontier” spirit of the United States of America?

    Space was a “new frontier,” a “new sea” in the next great age of discovery. The conquest of space, a historic and strategic imperative, would challenge Americans to show their greatness and would signal national prestige and global leadership. Invoking the competition of the space race, the speech nevertheless transcended the Cold War by emphasizing a romantic and visionary national quest. It stressed how practical and technological greatness could mix with the noblest goals of human aspiration.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-its-not-surprising-west-africans-dominate-sprinting/#comment-1534014

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  32. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Judging by primary results it's a hell of a lot more than half the base that are appalled by the stoopid party's establishment and supportive of Donald Trump. But perhaps Noonan was excluding people like me from her denominator. I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago when I realized the party's leadership was allied with the dimocrat's and both were opposed to everything I believe in. (Call me aslow learner!) I could be part of the base of a new party, the one which may be forming around Trump right now.

    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again. So, there it is.

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    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again.
     
    If Trump loses, there won't be any point to voting, ever again.

    You don't have to be a manic fan of the man (and I'm not) to recognise that two things alone will accomplish it: the demographic transformation which is almost complete already, and the packing of the Supreme Court which will be a coup de grace.

  33. nsa says:

    The plight of Fiji might be instructive as to the most likely future of America. Briefly, the Brits ran the place for many years and imported lots of Hindus to work the plantations. After independence in 1970, Fiji became a democracy with the usual trappings….voting and a parliament. All went well as long as the predominantly Christian native Fijians were a majority. However, they were outbred with the Hindus becoming about 50% of the population and demanding full participation i.e. running the show. Violence and racial hatred ensued, culminating in a 2006 coup by a native Fijian military fellow…a Commodore no less! Now a Fijian military junta runs the government which is mainly staffed by native Fijians. Violence against the Hindus has been outlawed and seldom occurs, but the Hindus are no longer allowed to participate in governing the islands. The native Fijians ignore the usual threats from the UN flamers and human right pussies.This looks to be an adequate model for America when the VisMins (visible minorities) become 50% of the population, which will occur by 2030 at the latest if illegals are included and unbridled turd world immigration isn’t reined in. As Plato observed after hanging out in the Agora observing the pols and citizenry, democracy is a foul loathsome easily corrupted form of mob rule…and the sooner it is replaced, the better.

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    Yes, citizenship will go back to being based on ancestry rather than geography. This is how most Western countries did things before WWII.
  34. Rehmat says:

    First of all – I object to the cartoon on the top of the article. How John Derbyshire or his friends at the Organized Jewry would react if the Star of Zion is stuck to the back of a donkey instead Hindu deity Lord Ganesh?

    American Hindu majority may be pro-Trump for their common hatred of Muslims – but I as a Canadian Muslim who happens to have many Hindu family friends detest the cartoon.

    Furthermore, the current Indian prime minister Modi and his Hindutva BJP ruling party have been lauded as best friends of Israel by one and only Benjamin Netanyahu. In appreciation, Modi just equated Indian Army with the Jewish Army over profiling Muslims.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/23/indian-pm-indian-army-israeli-army/

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  35. DES says:

    “It is longtime GOP doctrine to cut entitlement spending.”

    Right. But did they ever do it? It’s great to pay lip service to something, but if after decades you don’t take the first step to accomplishing it, people have reason to doubt your commitment.

    All the talk about Trump not being a “conservative” is rubbish. In what sense was George Bush (whichever one you want to pick) a conservative?

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  36. @in the middle
    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again. So, there it is.

    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again.

    If Trump loses, there won’t be any point to voting, ever again.

    You don’t have to be a manic fan of the man (and I’m not) to recognise that two things alone will accomplish it: the demographic transformation which is almost complete already, and the packing of the Supreme Court which will be a coup de grace.

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    "You don’t have to be a manic fan of the man (and I’m not) to recognise that two things alone will accomplish it: the demographic transformation which is almost complete already, and the packing of the Supreme Court which will be a coup de grace."

    I recently saw some Republican talking heads on FOX talking about the election, and they mentioned what they referred to as the built-in Democratic electoral advantage. They mentioned this without any note or reflection - it is simply a given. A built-in electoral advantage. You'd think those talking heads might give some consideration to why that is? Because it wasn't always so. As recently as the 80s, California went for the Republican candidate for President. As recently as the 90s, it had a Republican governor who wanted to prevent illegal aliens from receiving state benefits. Those days are gone and never coming back. Republicans have almost zero chance of ever winning a state-wide election in California again. North Carolina and Arizona are now considered battle-ground states. They didn't used to be, not Arizona at least. Texas is getting close to joining the forever-blue column. And most Republican politicians and pundits still aren't talking about this.
  37. @Rehmat
    First of all - I object to the cartoon on the top of the article. How John Derbyshire or his friends at the Organized Jewry would react if the Star of Zion is stuck to the back of a donkey instead Hindu deity Lord Ganesh?

    American Hindu majority may be pro-Trump for their common hatred of Muslims - but I as a Canadian Muslim who happens to have many Hindu family friends detest the cartoon.

    Furthermore, the current Indian prime minister Modi and his Hindutva BJP ruling party have been lauded as best friends of Israel by one and only Benjamin Netanyahu. In appreciation, Modi just equated Indian Army with the Jewish Army over profiling Muslims.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/23/indian-pm-indian-army-israeli-army/

    Sometimes an elephant is just an elephant.

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  38. Ace says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Judging by primary results it's a hell of a lot more than half the base that are appalled by the stoopid party's establishment and supportive of Donald Trump. But perhaps Noonan was excluding people like me from her denominator. I voted a straight stoopid party ticket for my entire life up until about a decade ago when I realized the party's leadership was allied with the dimocrat's and both were opposed to everything I believe in. (Call me aslow learner!) I could be part of the base of a new party, the one which may be forming around Trump right now.

    Make room on that bench of slow learners. About February 2015 it finally dawned on me that the Republicans in Congress just weren’t going to do squat.

    Insipid cave ins before over closing the government may have been the true source of my knowing the fight was fixed. Lee Atwater would have hired Ronald McDonald or a pole dancer to make some kind of a killer point about what was at stake and why Obongo had to pound sand. Before I figured the Republicans had something up their sleeves even if they seemed to be getting slapped around tactically. But they slept on and on and on and on. Per agreement. What Obongo wanted was what was delivered.

    Ryan is the apotheosis of uselessness, McCain took himself to Syria to break bread with al-Qaida swine, and W is in earnest competition with Tiny Tim for his handholding and kissy face with Saudis and his snuggling with Michelle and Hillary. WTF is about all you can say to any of that.

    And I haven’t even mentioned the Great United States Excellent Unconstitutional War to Save Syria from Assad.

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  39. Ace says:
    @FKA Max

    Since Reagan, the Uniparty (both GOPe or Dem wings) have lived in terror of a reoccurrence of a patriotic nationalist.
     
    St. Reagan

    Reagan’s 1986 comprehensive immigration bill turned out to be the most liberal amnesty for illegal aliens in our nation’s history, and set the stage for the present problem of 12 million aliens here unlawfully.
     
    - http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223401/st-reagan-victor-davis-hanson

    If the United States government shows no more willingness to deal with illegal immigration than has been shown by the Reagan Administration, then a migration from Latin America of the magnitude described above is certainly imminent. A Catholic majority in the United States and Vatican control of our government would greatly enhance the power of the Church not only in this country but worldwide.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/05/4-principal-sources-of-power-of-the-roman-catholic-church/


    I just recently commented extensively on this topic: http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1625914 , http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624501 ,and http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

    My considerable affection for Reagan has diminished greatly the more it has become clear that he voluntarily and knowingly agreed to amnesty with zero safeguards. He knew what he was doing.

    No trust but verify there. He had no desire to preserve America as a white European nation.

    Eight years ago Hanson was peddling the 12 million “aliens” fairy tale – still alive and well now – implicitly approving of Abe the Usurper and Teddy the Fixer.

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    My considerable affection for Reagan has diminished greatly the more it has become clear that he voluntarily and knowingly agreed to amnesty with zero safeguards. He knew what he was doing.
     
    As if that weren't enough, he and his veep/successor nearly tripled the national debt. Sure it was 'Morning Time in America' --there was money to blow! So much for that fiscal probity the R party likes to pretend it celebrates.

    Sad to say, the received narrative about Saint Ronnie is distant from the actual facts. I'm reminded of Frank Zappa's dictum: "Everything you know is wrong."
  40. Mr. Anon says:

    Yes, there is nothing “nuts” about Trump. I too have come to have greater trust in conservative instincts then in conservative ideology. In fact, there is something decidedly unconservative about ideology. The man with the better instincts (such as: I’m agin’ it.) is likely more trustworthy.

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  41. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kyle McKenna

    My friends around my neighborhood told me that if Trump looses, then they will not vote ever again.
     
    If Trump loses, there won't be any point to voting, ever again.

    You don't have to be a manic fan of the man (and I'm not) to recognise that two things alone will accomplish it: the demographic transformation which is almost complete already, and the packing of the Supreme Court which will be a coup de grace.

    “You don’t have to be a manic fan of the man (and I’m not) to recognise that two things alone will accomplish it: the demographic transformation which is almost complete already, and the packing of the Supreme Court which will be a coup de grace.”

    I recently saw some Republican talking heads on FOX talking about the election, and they mentioned what they referred to as the built-in Democratic electoral advantage. They mentioned this without any note or reflection – it is simply a given. A built-in electoral advantage. You’d think those talking heads might give some consideration to why that is? Because it wasn’t always so. As recently as the 80s, California went for the Republican candidate for President. As recently as the 90s, it had a Republican governor who wanted to prevent illegal aliens from receiving state benefits. Those days are gone and never coming back. Republicans have almost zero chance of ever winning a state-wide election in California again. North Carolina and Arizona are now considered battle-ground states. They didn’t used to be, not Arizona at least. Texas is getting close to joining the forever-blue column. And most Republican politicians and pundits still aren’t talking about this.

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  42. Ace says:
    @Anon
    Uniparty. LOL. That just about sums it up.

    Many cons have attacked the GOP for veering 'leftward' and abandoning/betraying true conservatism. They say the Democrats won because GOP's brand of Conservatism is just Liberalism 10 or 20 yrs behind.

    But this overlooks what really happened in the 90s. Clinton veered 'rightward' in abandoning big labor and pandering to the newly rising class of the 'creative class'(lately mocked by Thomas Frank) and the super-rich 'free trade' class.

    And all this multi-culti globalist thing may hurt a lot of whites, but it has also been great for white privilege for those who are part of the upper-middle class or above. Diversity saves cities because immigrants, esp docile 'Hispanics' and Asians, are preferable to blacks and mostly take cues from white elites.

    And even though PC may attack 'white privilege' today, its global effect is to undermine nationalism and sovereignty in EVERY nation.

    Homo pride parades have spread even to Turkey. East Asian elites(apart from China) are total flunkies of American PC as so many of their academics study in the US.
    And children of immigrants soak up all the Hollywood-MTV crap and spread it back in their own homeland. If you've met Iranian-Americans, you know what I mean. It almost makes you admire the Islamic Revolution for boosting nationalism against US influence.

    So, the reason why Democrats came on top wasn't so much because 'left' won and GOP just followed. It was because Democrats were more creative and cunning in co-opting the 'rightist' factions and agendas from the GOP.

    People like Ann Coulter always say it was rise of color that did the GOP in. Sure, this is true in some states like CA., and it shouldn't be overlooked.
    But so many whites(even in mostly white states) are pro-Democratic for reasons that the Dems now offer both super-privilege and proggy symbolism.

    People like Ann Coulter are really butt-hurt because they can't believe that so many rich whites and Jews(and Asians) have gone over to the Dems even though GOP has been more shamelessly pro-rich in its agenda. Coulter and Co. couldn't accept the fact that Democrats also offer sweet deals to the Rich class.
    But the narrative began to shift with the Trump campaign because it is now out in the OPEN: GOP must realign by being the party of middle class and working class. This is why Mr. Bane Mitt Romney is shi**ing.
    In 2012, Coulter was defending the makers against takers. Now, she is saying the so-called 'makers' are the takers because they are ones funding globalism against the will of white American majority who are hurting like Buchanan warned in the 90s.

    With the Dems having become a 'uniparty' that attracts super-rich donors and the educated rich class, traditional GOP is caught in a jam.
    GOP offers even more riches to the rich class, but the rich class's response, "We are swimming in more dough than we can spend. We can make tons under the Democrats." Look at rich folks in Hollywood and Silicon Valley in ultra-demmy California. They are loaded with dough.

    Rich folks want more profits but they want good publicity too, and GOP label is 'party of greed' whereas Clinton's remade Dem Party is effectively a party of 'greed' but one wrapped in symbols of Civil Rights and 'gay rights' and Diversity. "Profits for progress".

    But Trump offers a major chance for realignment. Win or lose, he has exposed how hollow the GOP has become. GOP is in a bind. Its core base, the Evangelicals, is a liability as well as an asset. Bush II won reelection by rousing up this Base. But the closer GOP gets to this Base, the more it looks uncool, dumb, and ignorant. That Terry Schiavo and stem cell stuff really alienated lots of American voters, especially the richer and better-educated folks.

    But then, if the GOP panders to the libertarian rich class, it alienates the base. Besides, the globalist rich class have it so good under the Dems. It aint the New Deal Party no more, but then US is no longer a manufacturing-centered nation.

    But surely even the Dems know that politics is getting stranger and weirder. Democrats are present itself as the party at war with both 'homophobia' and 'Islamophobia'. ?!?! It's the party that defends Muslims from Trump while destroying Muslim nations like Libya and Syria. It also professes to defend wonderful Muslims from deplorable white monsters, but it also supports Israel over Palestinians(most of whom are Muslim). Progs denounce 'western oppression' but use the power of the west to push homo agenda all over. How long can Democrats carry on as the Party of BDS and Haim Saban?

    The conflating of minority politics and progressive politics(struggle for equality) paradoxically made Privilege the New Progress.

    In a way, leftist politics has been both anti- and pro- minority.

    It was about the majority class of workers and peasants against the minority-privilege class of aristocrats or super-rich bourgeoisie.
    Or, it could be an anti-imperialist struggle of majority of native folks against minority elite-alien rulers. British ruled as alien elite minorities in places like Egypt, India, and parts of Africa. Native majorities rose up against them.
    In such cases, leftism was pro-majority and anti-minority. The Will of the Masses. The French Revolution infused an ideological underpinning to the notion of the majority masses rising up to overthrow the elite minority aristocrats. Of course, the French Revolution created a new elite, but it was supposed to represent the Will of the People.

    But the Will of the Majority could lead to a kind of oppression. The majority oppression of the minority. It was one thing for the oppressed majority to overthrow the tyrannical minority but quite another for the majority to deny the minority 'basic human rights' or rule of law of the nation. This was blatantly true with blacks and American Indians in America. They were denied the basic rights that only applied to whites.
    And this was also a problem with various ethnic groups in Europe. German minorities could be mistreated in non-German majority lands, and non-Germans could be suppressed in German-majority lands.
    Even so, the comprise between Catholics and Protestants showed that an understanding and truce could be reached. In Catholic majority lands, the Protestants would be tolerated and allowed to do their own thing, and vice versa. This way, Catholics accepted their minority status in Protestant-majority nations, and Protestants accepted their minority status in Catholic-majority nations. Catholic minorities would not try to subvert or take over majority Protestant nations, and Protestant minorities would not try to subvert or take over majority Catholic nations.
    So, even as a majority nation would more-or-less favor the will of the majority, the minorities would be given certain rights and protections as well.
    And this seemed pretty acceptable to most places. It's like modern Turkey came to tolerate people of all religions but still maintained itself as a mostly Modern-Muslim nation. Its secular government protected the rights of minorities, but there was no doubt about the Islamic-Turkic character of Turkey.

    But if Protestant minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Catholic nations and if Catholic minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Protestant nations(and if Christian minorities were okay with their soft-inferior status in Muslim nations), Jews were one minority group that was not okay with their soft-inferior status in Christian-Gentile nations. So, even though there was no overt anti-Jewish laws in the US, the idea of US as essentially a majority-white-gentile-Christian nation rubbed off wrong on the Jews. It wasn't enough that Jews were tolerated and allowed to operate freely as individuals. The whole character of the US had to be changed. The idea that white-gentile-Christian identity/history/culture matters more than others is seen as an affront to the Jewish minority(but Jews are adamant that Israel must be defined by its majority Jewish population that must remain a majority forever).

    All things being equal, a nation with majority and minority will be ruled and dominated by the majority. Suppose People A are a majority and People B are a minority in a certain nation. Suppose both peoples are equal in intelligence and other abilities. Then, People A will have the dominant position over People B. Even if laws apply equally to all, the fact that there are more People A will mean more of People A as successful businessmen, doctors, scientists, etc.
    But suppose the minority People B are higher in IQ and certain abilities essential for social success. Then, this will cause problems. People A will feel that the nation should reflect the majority culture as the core culture, but People B may not be so compliant on grounds that the smarter people should rule. Smart people always want control over dumber folks. Imagine you have an IQ of 100 and you're in a room full of kids with 80 IQ. Do you want to control them or be controlled by them?

    Anyway, if Jews had been of regular IQ, they might have been just another minority happy with their lot. In America, they might have been like Cubans and Italians and content to be tolerated and allowed to their thing. But if you're someone like Alan Dershowitz with someone like Dan Quayle, you're gonna feel like the Marx Brothers running circles around stiff, witless, or dumb goyim.

    This is further complicated by the fact that Jews gained power quietly than loudly. If you're part of a regiment of British troops in India, your minority-imperial power over the natives will be obvious. You shoot loud volleys of gunfire, and the brown natives drop like flies, and you fly the British Flag and tell the 'wogs' that your bloody bloke kind are now in control. What can be more obvious than that? It's like what the Romans did. You declare your kind to be minority-elite rulers over the native population.

    In contrast, Jews didn't take over white gentile societies with such exclamatory actions. Furthermore, many successful Jews merely passed as 'white'. It was like the gradual takeover over aristocratic Western Civilization by the bourgeoisie. French Revolution was an anomaly. In most places, the bourgeoisie took the reins of power from the nobility peacefully(though dramatically). In time, the aristocrats had only their titles left, and they could either marry with the bourgeois families(that strove for respectability) or sell their titles. There has been a kind of merging of Jews and Wasps in the US along the similar manner. Wasps, seeing their fortunes slip away, figured one way to remain on top was to marry with up-and-coming Jews. Because the Jewish Revolution was a silent revolution, many people still don't know that US is a minority-ruled nation. But the minority-rule is more effective in the US than in the USSR under Bolshevism.

    The Minority Paradox in America makes for strange politics. On the one hand, minority status in the American Narrative is associated with oppression and denial of rights: Black slavery, Jim Crow laws, Chinese railroad workers, American Indians, and even Irish Catholic minorities.
    But the most powerful people in America are the Jews, members of a minority. (Even among whites, it was minority Episcopalians who often had the dominant power over other groups.) So, minority power(at least that of Jews) has become the ruling power in America. US is a nation ruled by a powerful minority that, however, automatically conflates minority status with 'victim-hood'. (This is also complicated with blacks and sports. Blacks are minority but totally dominant in sports that defines so much of American Culture. And when one considers that Media and Sports teams are largely owned by Jews, things get stranger yet. All these tough blacks who make mega-bucks pose as victims on the sports fields. And the owners of these teams, the billionaire Jews, also pose as members of an Eternal Victim Group. Victimism is addictive, and its junkies are like avicts).
    Not all minorities are doing well in America. American Indians are in the pits. Even though some blacks gained great success in sports, entertainment, and government, many blacks are stuck in the ghetto. Many Mexicans are stuck in menial jobs generation after generation. Hawaiians are just getting fatter from too many snack chips. But then, no group is doing as well as the Jews, and that means minority privilege rules America. And yet, Jews use the media to push the narrative that minority status = victimhood. According to this narrative, all 'victim' minorities should band together against the oppressive deplorable white majority. But there is a huge difference between a Jewish billionaire on Wall Street and a fat Hawaiian on a beach sitting on his whale-butt munching on Doritos. Also, white community is divided between the globalist 'creative class' that collaborate with the rich and the 'deplorables' who are losing out in the NWO. So, reality is far more complex than what the PC narrative gives us. Yes, there are minority groups in the US that are doing considerably worse than the White Average. But there are also minority groups that are doing considerably better and hold immense power. Jews rule many elite institutions. Asians take so many college slots. And homos control so much of pop culture and advertising.

    The Minority Paradox is best illustrated by the status of homos in the West. They are portrayed so often as a victim-group deserving of compassion and sympathy, but no group has been more celebrated by advertising, TV, and pop culture in general than homos. They are treated like the new aristocrats, the new royalty, even like angels or gods. And a lot of this owes to Jewish power that either sees in homos their mirror image of the 'successful outsider minority' or a proxy that will divert attention away from Jewish Power that is behind the 'gay' mask. It's like Ivan the Terrible uses the silly idiot boy to draw attention of Ivan's enemies. Homos are so vain that when the Globalists put a crown on their head, they can't help play along even though homos may draw the ire as the face of US imperialism.

    https://youtu.be/4RA9z3SfnSo?t=1h6m34s

    Will the West survive? One look at history, and the main reason for downfall of regimes, kingdoms, civilizations, and political orders was lack of courage, fear of truth, and culture of dishonesty. This is understandable since every order fears the unfettered truth that may speak truth to power. Truth can bring down an order, but lies and dishonesty can lead to a much bigger fall.

    Take Japan in the 30s. Honest criticism might have brought down the repressive military order(that was leading Japan down a reckless path), but Japan would have been spared. But a culture of lies led to Japan's war with China and then with US, and then Japan itself was crushed totally.
    Even though Japan was headed toward destruction, the culture of honor-correctness-and-cowardice led to silence and the total destruction of Japan. That silence destroyed Japan.
    Same with Germany. Surely, many Germans knew Hitler was leading Germany on the path to disaster, but they remained silent or just went along. To be sure, there could be severe penalty for anyone who dared to be courageous.
    Failure to speak honestly is like a doctor not making the necessary diagnosis based on the symptoms.

    West is doomed unless it breaks out of PC and speaks truthfully. It's like cancer. Ironically, Susan Sontag who once called white race a 'cancer' later wrote about cancer as dangerous metaphor and how it silenced many people from dealing honestly. Too many people thought it was better to just give up all hope OR deny the fatality of the condition or keep the truth from the patient(like in IKIRU by Kurosawa).

    But the ONLY chance one has is to speak honestly that cancer is present and that something must be done about it. One must be honest, forthright, and take action.
    But in the West, truth is seen as cancer whereas lies are administered as treatment.
    The demographic threat to Europe from Muslim and especially African migration is HUGE, but Europeans are supposed to welcome it as Diversity or an opportunity to atone for 'racism' and Holocaust. But the result will be Eurocaust for white folks.
    West is like a cancer patient that won't acknowledge that it is suffering from the cancer of Diversity. Rather, PC tells the Western Patient that this Diversity is the cure and that chemotherapy(or demotherapy that defends the racial integrity of the West) is the cancer. So, welcome the cancer as the cure and reject the only effective treatment as the disease.

    Now, the truth can kill, but lies will kill far more.
    Also, even when truth kills, it kills effectively only until the desired outcome is achieved. In contrast, the Lie will lead to endless killings.

    Suppose a bunch of coyotes are attacking sheep. That is the truth. This truth will kill in the sense that those coyotes will have to be hunted to save the sheep. Dead coyotes may be sad, but it must be done in order for the sheep to live. And once the coyotes are gone, there is no more killing.

    But suppose the Lie is told about the coyotes and sheep. Coyotes kill the sheep, but the Lie says that the collie dogs are killing the sheep whereas coyotes are helping the sheep. Such a lie will lead to endless killings. Coyotes will go on killing sheep(without end) while innocent sheep-herding dogs will be hunted down in the conviction that dogs must die in order for the sheep to live.

    Killing by truth is limited and effective. Killing by lies never end.

    EU is being invaded by Africans and Muslims. But PC tells whites that nothing bad is happening. If anything, PC says this Diversity is a cure for EU. Without it, "Europe wont' survive." And the real enemies of EU are the patriots who call for defense of homeland.

    Yeah, right. It's like saying shepherds should welcome coyotes while killing the collies defending the sheep from the coyotes.

    That’s excellent. Spectre’s “Europe won’t survive” argument is seen clearly as her selling the cancer.

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  43. mcohen. says:
    @FKA Max

    You are referring to Fr Theodore Hesburgh? I remember his name from way back.
     
    I was quoting commenter Marcus from comment #15 http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1629719 , who was referring to President Reagan; and I was trying to explain to him, where, I believe, the Invade the World/Invite the World ideology really originates from, namely from the Vatican (as I explained above).

    If you are interested in this topic, here are some more comments of mine related to it. Much of my commenting as of late here on the Unz Review, has been dedicated to this specific dynamic:

    White Davos Men Urge Africans to Maintain Sky High Fertility


    http://www.unz.com/isteve/white-davos-men-urge-africans-to-maintain-sky-high-fertility/#comment-1607054

    Hemispheric Open Borders Trial Run: Puerto Rico

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hemispheric-open-borders-trial-run-puerto-rico/#comment-1622226

    This was due entirely to the influence of the Catholic hierarchy on politics. The now Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI denounced the policy to make birth control affordable during his visit at that time. So the churches right wing makes sure the poor non-White Catholics have more children than they can care for, and the church’s Left wing keeps them in the pews through its social gospel discourse and demands that wealthy responsible White People submit to invasion by their parishioners. Just to reemphasize, the Left and Right wings of the Church are not opposing social forces, they are merely the right hand and left hand of the same dysgenic system.
    [...]
    What would America look like with a Catholic social policy?
    [...]
    The Brazilification of America would already be complete.
     

    it was the catholic church that put an end to human sacrifice by the inca and aztec.that was one of the good things the abrahamic faiths did.not only in south america but africa and papua guinea too.other stuff did not work out well.remember too that rituals were adapted to suit the locals.that influence by south americans on catholism is now coming into contact with European catholism in america.should be a interesting mix.in south africa the zcc or zionist christian church has a huge following.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_Christian_Church

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  44. Wabbit says:
    @nsa
    The plight of Fiji might be instructive as to the most likely future of America. Briefly, the Brits ran the place for many years and imported lots of Hindus to work the plantations. After independence in 1970, Fiji became a democracy with the usual trappings....voting and a parliament. All went well as long as the predominantly Christian native Fijians were a majority. However, they were outbred with the Hindus becoming about 50% of the population and demanding full participation i.e. running the show. Violence and racial hatred ensued, culminating in a 2006 coup by a native Fijian military fellow...a Commodore no less! Now a Fijian military junta runs the government which is mainly staffed by native Fijians. Violence against the Hindus has been outlawed and seldom occurs, but the Hindus are no longer allowed to participate in governing the islands. The native Fijians ignore the usual threats from the UN flamers and human right pussies.This looks to be an adequate model for America when the VisMins (visible minorities) become 50% of the population, which will occur by 2030 at the latest if illegals are included and unbridled turd world immigration isn't reined in. As Plato observed after hanging out in the Agora observing the pols and citizenry, democracy is a foul loathsome easily corrupted form of mob rule...and the sooner it is replaced, the better.

    Yes, citizenship will go back to being based on ancestry rather than geography. This is how most Western countries did things before WWII.

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  45. Alden says:

    I’d advise not responding to FKA MAX’s nonsense about the Catholic Church. He’s like Rehmat. He roams the Internet posting anti Catholic comments after every article no matter how irrevalent to the article the comments are.
    Unfortunately he won’t go away until banned but he she or its best ignored

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the
    Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln

    2. There is a stairway in the Vatican that goes way down almost to hell. It ends in a secret room where the devil and the Pope meet to discuss how to take over the world.

    3. The statue in top of the Capitol building in DC is actually Mary the mother of Jesus not a Roman goddess. Washington DC is not a Masonic design but a Catholic plot hidden behind the Masons design.

    4. The federal reserve is actually total controlled by the Vatican Bank

    And of course there is the usual Pope is the anti Christ, scarlet woman of Rome, whore of Babylon.

    He, she or it won’t go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

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    If you’re not catching flak you’re not over the target

    However, a recent study by Roy Beck of the positions of religious denominations in the U.S. toward immigration highlighted this fact:
    "No religious group wields more power on behalf of high immigration to the U.S. than the Catholic Church. Thanks to the 1880-1914 and 1970-present Great Waves of immigration consisting primarily of Catholics, the Church towers over all other American religious groups. Its 59 million members give it immense financial, institutional and political clout, even though polls suggest the majority of its members probably don't agree with its pro-immigration stances."206 Because of its extensive manipulation of U.S. immigration policy, the Catholic Church is mostly responsibile for the chaotic flow of illegal immigrants across our borders today.

    A November 8, 1992, National Catholic Register article reveals why the Vatican is taking these stances. In it, Father Richard J. Ryscavage, executive director of the Migration and Refugee Services of the U.S. Catholic Conference noted that immigration is the "growing edge of Catholicism in the United States...We are in the middle of a huge wave of immigration...and most of them are Catholics...It's the key to our future and the key to why the Church is going to be very healthy in the 21st century."
     

    - http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3


    Father Richard Ryscavage is just a figment of my imagination:


    Ryscavage served as executive director of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Office of Migration and Refugee Services in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw annual federal grants of more than $40 million.[3] He was also president of Catholic Charities Immigration Legal Services, set up by the bishops to help new immigrants,[4] and president of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLINIC).
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ryscavage

    Please prove these (false) accusations!


    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.
     
    Inquisition much, sir!?

    Unfortunately he won’t go away until banned but he she or its best ignored [...] He, she or it won’t go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.
     
    Neocons Want To Destroy Alt Right, Bring Back Buckley-Style Excommunications. Too Bad. http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad

    In the good old days, he says, conservatism “resembled the Catholic Church, with Buckley as pope, issuing bulls and ex-communicating heretics.” When an author submitted a heretical article, “it meant the end for that article and for the writer’s future.” As Continetti notes, they had nowhere else to go. “Publishing a magazine and producing television is expensive. Not everyone can do it.”
     

    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.
     

    The poor, innocent Roman Catholic Church sure needs protection from evil, deplorable CONSPIRACY THEORISTs like myself:

    The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart). In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1m people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a lay organisation seeking to improve the way the church is run. For purposes of secular comparison, in 2010 General Electric’s revenue was $150 billion and Walmart employed roughly 2m people.
     
    - http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
    , @FKA Max
    You are right, Alden, (conservative Jesuit) Father Richard Ryscavage does not exist.

    I am just a paranoid, bigoted, anti-Catholic nut(1). Just like Donald Trump, I am a nut(2). A really nuttier than a nut(3), nutty nut(4). A nut(5), I am telling you.

    Start with the notion that Trump is crazy. He’s a nut, she says, five times.
     
    Richard Ryscavage, S.J. | Ignatian Family Teach-In for Justice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R_N4uhBkHs

    Published on Dec 18, 2012

    Richard Ryscavage S.J., a nationally-known expert on immigration and refugee policy and director of the Center for Faith & Public Life at Fairfield University, speaks to the crowd at the public witness on Captiol Hill during the Ignatian Family Teach-In for Justice.
    , @Wabbit

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln
     
    I'm pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)
  46. Art says:

    If Tump loses by a little bit – Paul Ryan will never be president.

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  47. FKA Max says:
    @Alden
    I'd advise not responding to FKA MAX's nonsense about the Catholic Church. He's like Rehmat. He roams the Internet posting anti Catholic comments after every article no matter how irrevalent to the article the comments are.
    Unfortunately he won't go away until banned but he she or its best ignored

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the
    Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln

    2. There is a stairway in the Vatican that goes way down almost to hell. It ends in a secret room where the devil and the Pope meet to discuss how to take over the world.

    3. The statue in top of the Capitol building in DC is actually Mary the mother of Jesus not a Roman goddess. Washington DC is not a Masonic design but a Catholic plot hidden behind the Masons design.

    4. The federal reserve is actually total controlled by the Vatican Bank

    And of course there is the usual Pope is the anti Christ, scarlet woman of Rome, whore of Babylon.

    He, she or it won't go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

    If you’re not catching flak you’re not over the target

    However, a recent study by Roy Beck of the positions of religious denominations in the U.S. toward immigration highlighted this fact:
    No religious group wields more power on behalf of high immigration to the U.S. than the Catholic Church. Thanks to the 1880-1914 and 1970-present Great Waves of immigration consisting primarily of Catholics, the Church towers over all other American religious groups. Its 59 million members give it immense financial, institutional and political clout, even though polls suggest the majority of its members probably don’t agree with its pro-immigration stances.“206 Because of its extensive manipulation of U.S. immigration policy, the Catholic Church is mostly responsibile for the chaotic flow of illegal immigrants across our borders today.

    A November 8, 1992, National Catholic Register article reveals why the Vatican is taking these stances. In it, Father Richard J. Ryscavage, executive director of the Migration and Refugee Services of the U.S. Catholic Conference noted that immigration is the “growing edge of Catholicism in the United States…We are in the middle of a huge wave of immigration…and most of them are Catholics…It’s the key to our future and the key to why the Church is going to be very healthy in the 21st century.

    http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Father Richard Ryscavage is just a figment of my imagination:

    Ryscavage served as executive director of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Office of Migration and Refugee Services in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw annual federal grants of more than $40 million.[3] He was also president of Catholic Charities Immigration Legal Services, set up by the bishops to help new immigrants,[4] and president of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLINIC).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ryscavage

    Please prove these (false) accusations!

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.

    Inquisition much, sir!?

    Unfortunately he won’t go away until banned but he she or its best ignored [...] He, she or it won’t go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

    Neocons Want To Destroy Alt Right, Bring Back Buckley-Style Excommunications. Too Bad. http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad

    In the good old days, he says, conservatism “resembled the Catholic Church, with Buckley as pope, issuing bulls and ex-communicating heretics.” When an author submitted a heretical article, “it meant the end for that article and for the writer’s future.” As Continetti notes, they had nowhere else to go. “Publishing a magazine and producing television is expensive. Not everyone can do it.”

    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.

    The poor, innocent Roman Catholic Church sure needs protection from evil, deplorable CONSPIRACY THEORISTs like myself:

    The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart). In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1m people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a lay organisation seeking to improve the way the church is run. For purposes of secular comparison, in 2010 General Electric’s revenue was $150 billion and Walmart employed roughly 2m people.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

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  48. FKA Max says:
    @Alden
    I'd advise not responding to FKA MAX's nonsense about the Catholic Church. He's like Rehmat. He roams the Internet posting anti Catholic comments after every article no matter how irrevalent to the article the comments are.
    Unfortunately he won't go away until banned but he she or its best ignored

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the
    Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln

    2. There is a stairway in the Vatican that goes way down almost to hell. It ends in a secret room where the devil and the Pope meet to discuss how to take over the world.

    3. The statue in top of the Capitol building in DC is actually Mary the mother of Jesus not a Roman goddess. Washington DC is not a Masonic design but a Catholic plot hidden behind the Masons design.

    4. The federal reserve is actually total controlled by the Vatican Bank

    And of course there is the usual Pope is the anti Christ, scarlet woman of Rome, whore of Babylon.

    He, she or it won't go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

    You are right, Alden, (conservative Jesuit) Father Richard Ryscavage does not exist.

    I am just a paranoid, bigoted, anti-Catholic nut(1). Just like Donald Trump, I am a nut(2). A really nuttier than a nut(3), nutty nut(4). A nut(5), I am telling you.

    Start with the notion that Trump is crazy. He’s a nut, she says, five times.

    Richard Ryscavage, S.J. | Ignatian Family Teach-In for Justice

    Published on Dec 18, 2012

    Richard Ryscavage S.J., a nationally-known expert on immigration and refugee policy and director of the Center for Faith & Public Life at Fairfield University, speaks to the crowd at the public witness on Captiol Hill during the Ignatian Family Teach-In for Justice.

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  49. @Ace
    My considerable affection for Reagan has diminished greatly the more it has become clear that he voluntarily and knowingly agreed to amnesty with zero safeguards. He knew what he was doing.

    No trust but verify there. He had no desire to preserve America as a white European nation.

    Eight years ago Hanson was peddling the 12 million "aliens" fairy tale - still alive and well now - implicitly approving of Abe the Usurper and Teddy the Fixer.

    My considerable affection for Reagan has diminished greatly the more it has become clear that he voluntarily and knowingly agreed to amnesty with zero safeguards. He knew what he was doing.

    As if that weren’t enough, he and his veep/successor nearly tripled the national debt. Sure it was ‘Morning Time in America’ –there was money to blow! So much for that fiscal probity the R party likes to pretend it celebrates.

    Sad to say, the received narrative about Saint Ronnie is distant from the actual facts. I’m reminded of Frank Zappa’s dictum: “Everything you know is wrong.”

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  50. Wabbit says:
    @Alden
    I'd advise not responding to FKA MAX's nonsense about the Catholic Church. He's like Rehmat. He roams the Internet posting anti Catholic comments after every article no matter how irrevalent to the article the comments are.
    Unfortunately he won't go away until banned but he she or its best ignored

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas. Here are a couple.

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the
    Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln

    2. There is a stairway in the Vatican that goes way down almost to hell. It ends in a secret room where the devil and the Pope meet to discuss how to take over the world.

    3. The statue in top of the Capitol building in DC is actually Mary the mother of Jesus not a Roman goddess. Washington DC is not a Masonic design but a Catholic plot hidden behind the Masons design.

    4. The federal reserve is actually total controlled by the Vatican Bank

    And of course there is the usual Pope is the anti Christ, scarlet woman of Rome, whore of Babylon.

    He, she or it won't go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln

    I’m pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)

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    I’m pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)
     
    I am pretty sure too, that the Vatican was favoring a victory by the Confederacy, and Booth was likely a Catholic convert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth#Possible_Catholic_Conversion :

    Although Pope Pius IX never signed an actual statement supporting the Confederacy, he responded to a letter written by Jefferson Davis on 23 September 1863 with a letter to Davis written 3 December 1863. Pius's "letter to Jefferson Davis was accompanied by an autographed picture of the pope"[9] in which the Pope addressed the Confederate President as "the "Honorable President of the Confederate States of America".[10][11] [...] Robert E. Lee, pointing to his own portrait of Pius IX, told a visitor after the war that he was "the only sovereign... in Europe who recognized our poor Confederacy".[16] [...] The letter was delivered to the Pope by Davis's commissioner to Belgium, Ambrose Dudley Mann. During his visit with the Pope Mann discussed the successful recruitment efforts by the Union who were recruiting thousands of soldiers from Ireland and Belgium, both Catholic countries. According to Clement Eaton, "Mann persuaded the Pope to discourage this enlistment of Catholics in Europe." [12]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War

    After I shared the controversial video of Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Bill Hughes above - who was called a ''kook'' by one commenter - I was wondering what exactly caused Ellen G. White's (one of the founders of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church) hostile attitude towards the Roman Catholic Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._White

    The most likely reason I could find - besides the alleged conspiracy by persons, who (mostly/all?) happened to be Catholics (not necessarily a Catholic conspiracy, like you said, Wabbit) to assassinate President Lincoln - was the drastic increase of Catholic believers and Catholic institutions in the United States during the reign of Pope Pius IX (1846 - 1878), which occurred during Ellen G. White's lifetime (1827 - 1915):


    Together with German and Italian immigrants, the Catholic population in the United States increased from 4 percent at the beginning of the pontificate of Pius IX in 1846 to 11 percent in 1870.[1] Some 700 priests existed in the U.S. in 1846 compared to 6000 in 1878.[1] Pope Pius IX contributed to this development by establishing new Church regions and the installation of capable American bishops.[2]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Period_of_steady_immigration

    These are dramatic changes in a relatively short amount of time.

    Here another video interview with controversial - maybe even a little bit ''kooky,'' but I think sincere, and surely well read - Seventh-Day Adventist (not Evangelical) pastor Bill Hughes:

    The Vatican New World Order with Bill Hughes Must Watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdC9fUaKOyM


    I end this comment with Ron Unz's closing statement from his recent piece titled American Pravda: How the CIA Invented "Conspiracy Theories":


    So perhaps Beard was correct all along in recognizing the respectability of “conspiracy theories,” and we should return to his traditional American way of thinking, notwithstanding endless conspiratorial propaganda campaigns by the CIA and others to persuade us that we should dismiss such notions without any serious consideration.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/
  51. It’s not the GOP that is “stoopid” but the conservative faction which fails to identify the obvious dynamic: The public is socially conservative and economically moderate. The donor elite is socially liberal and economically conservative (pro-Wall Street.) The donors see to it that the public is denied a socially conservative economically moderate party to vote for. Why? Because it would win, and being mostly Jews they are repelled by social conservatism. So we get two parties, one of which is socially radical but wants to give you free stuff and one of which pretends to be socially conservative but vets its candidates at the “Adelson Primary” and never actually DOES anything for social conservatives beyond ending every speech with ‘God bless America.’ The social radicals have created a can’t-lose dynamic. If social conservatives mean what they say about faith and values they must TRADE rather than GIVE their support to the “economic conservatives.” Or, better, form a Trump-Buchanan-Huckabee-Paul influenced populist party and WIN.
    Case in point: Back in 1992 there was a fight over removing the anti-abortion plank from the GOP platform and a bunch of pro-life journalists such as Tom Sowell wrote columns advocating removal of the plank, employing arguments they had spent years refuting. Why? Well, his sinecure at AEI is funded by wealthy liberals. And David Frum wrote in his book Dead Right that Jack Kemp would never be president because his pro-life position was “unpopular with the party’s big donors.” But conservatives would rather lose than face awkward facts.

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  52. Hibernian says:
    @FKA Max
    Yes,

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:


    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”
     
    - http://news.nd.edu/news/7089-ronald-reagan-legendary-subway-alum/

    Long-time Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh played a key role in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 :

    Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986#Legislative_background_and_description

    The topic of immigration came up early in the conversation and Hesburgh told of a plan that he and "good friend" former Sen. Alan Simpson, a conservative Republican from Wyoming, and liberal Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts put together to solve the immigration problem. They wanted to institute a European-style ID card that would be given to all, including undocumented immigrants, which Hesburgh thought would eliminate the need for all "the cops and robbers" at the border. If people had the ID, they could work; if not, they would be unable to obtain work and would eventually return home. But the American Civil Liberties Union objected to it and killed the idea, he said.
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/reporter-recalls-rocky-friendship-fr-theodore-hesburgh

    no single person is more responsible for the death of “Middle America” and the rise of invade the world/invite the world than him.
     

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion.

    the relationship between the pope’s demand for open U.S. borders and the fact that 90% of immigrants are Roman Catholics; the Vatican takeover of the Republican Party.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/

    Invite the (Catholic into the Protestant) World

    Why has the Vatican taken its “open-borders” position on immigration into the U.S.?: http://www.population-security.org/issue_n.htm

    OPEN BORDERS: ANOTHER CONFLICT OF INTERESTS


    For obvious reasons, American lay Catholics oppose the Vatican's view on unrestricted immigration into the U.S. While the security-survival of the Papacy is greatly enhanced by this migration, as described by Ryscavage, the security-survival of the Catholic layman and his/her family are obviously undermined for economic, educational, medical, social and other reasons. Thus, as with family planning and abortion, the security-survival interests of the Catholic layman is pitted against the security-survival interests of the Papacy.
     
    - http://www.population-security.org/21-CH13.html#3

    Invade the (Protect the Catholic) World

    See the CIA (Central/Catholic Intelligence Agency):


    There are many other knights with CIA connections. Clare Boothe Luce, for example, the grande dame of American diplomacy, served as a U.S. ambassador to Italy in the 1950s and is now a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. William Buckley, Jr., a former CIA operative and the editor of the National Review, is a member, as is his brother James, a former senator from New York and now undersecretary of state for security assistance.
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/


    See Opus Dei: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04/opus-dei-christian-dominion/


    And in light of the preceding, examine recent Opus Dei meddling in American military affairs, falsely attacking the man most responsible for forcing the American military to confront its violation of laws prohibiting religious influences guiding military policies:
     
    Oliver ''Iran-Contra'' North for example was raised Catholic, but is now a born-again Christian, but still maintains close connections with the Catholic Church/Vatican:

    Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of his mother, North has long attended Protestant or evangelical services with his wife and children.[44] - Wikipedia


    Asked about North as a keynote speaker, the Franciscan Foundation for the Holy Land issued the following statement that said North “is an expert on the region. He is also a committed Christian who knows the purpose and intentions of the Church community worldwide; and he is committed to educating our dinner guests about peace with all people of good will who respect the dignity of every human being.”
     
    - https://www.ncronline.org/news/peace-justice/oliver-north-raise-money-franciscan-holy-land-foundation

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism:


    Prince has seven children. His youngest child, Charles Donovan, was named after William "Wild Bill" Donovan.[42] [...] Prince describes himself as a libertarian and practicing Roman Catholic.[26]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William “Wild Bill” Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who “by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and championed the Church.”
     
    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

    I’m trying to figure out how Notre Dame has subway alums, unless they commuted every day on the South Shore Line, when it went to downtown South Bend. Couldn’t have been too many of those.

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  53. FKA Max says:
    @Wabbit

    1 The only reason the south lost the civil war was because of Irish Catholic mercaneries shipped over to NYC by the Vatican Navy. This was a plot by the Pope and Lincoln
     
    I'm pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)

    I’m pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)

    I am pretty sure too, that the Vatican was favoring a victory by the Confederacy, and Booth was likely a Catholic convert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth#Possible_Catholic_Conversion :

    Although Pope Pius IX never signed an actual statement supporting the Confederacy, he responded to a letter written by Jefferson Davis on 23 September 1863 with a letter to Davis written 3 December 1863. Pius’s “letter to Jefferson Davis was accompanied by an autographed picture of the pope”[9] in which the Pope addressed the Confederate President as “the “Honorable President of the Confederate States of America”.[10][11] [...] Robert E. Lee, pointing to his own portrait of Pius IX, told a visitor after the war that he was “the only sovereign… in Europe who recognized our poor Confederacy”.[16] [...] The letter was delivered to the Pope by Davis’s commissioner to Belgium, Ambrose Dudley Mann. During his visit with the Pope Mann discussed the successful recruitment efforts by the Union who were recruiting thousands of soldiers from Ireland and Belgium, both Catholic countries. According to Clement Eaton, “Mann persuaded the Pope to discourage this enlistment of Catholics in Europe.” [12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War

    After I shared the controversial video of Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Bill Hughes above – who was called a ”kook” by one commenter – I was wondering what exactly caused Ellen G. White’s (one of the founders of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church) hostile attitude towards the Roman Catholic Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._White

    The most likely reason I could find – besides the alleged conspiracy by persons, who (mostly/all?) happened to be Catholics (not necessarily a Catholic conspiracy, like you said, Wabbit) to assassinate President Lincoln – was the drastic increase of Catholic believers and Catholic institutions in the United States during the reign of Pope Pius IX (1846 – 1878), which occurred during Ellen G. White’s lifetime (1827 – 1915):

    Together with German and Italian immigrants, the Catholic population in the United States increased from 4 percent at the beginning of the pontificate of Pius IX in 1846 to 11 percent in 1870.[1] Some 700 priests existed in the U.S. in 1846 compared to 6000 in 1878.[1] Pope Pius IX contributed to this development by establishing new Church regions and the installation of capable American bishops.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Period_of_steady_immigration

    These are dramatic changes in a relatively short amount of time.

    Here another video interview with controversial – maybe even a little bit ”kooky,” but I think sincere, and surely well read – Seventh-Day Adventist (not Evangelical) pastor Bill Hughes:

    The Vatican New World Order with Bill Hughes Must Watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdC9fUaKOyM

    I end this comment with Ron Unz’s closing statement from his recent piece titled American Pravda: How the CIA Invented “Conspiracy Theories”:

    So perhaps Beard was correct all along in recognizing the respectability of “conspiracy theories,” and we should return to his traditional American way of thinking, notwithstanding endless conspiratorial propaganda campaigns by the CIA and others to persuade us that we should dismiss such notions without any serious consideration.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

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    This is somewhat off-topic, but it is so synchronistic (nutty in a good way), that I had to share it here...

    I just found out that ''kooky'' Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Bill Hughes is the younger brother of Pat Hughes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Hughes_(sportscaster)


    He has been the play-by-play voice of the Chicago Cubs Radio Network since 1996.
     

    Hughes graduated from San Jose State University where his father had served as a professor and where Hughes also did some announcing.
     

    Pat Hughes grew up in the San Francisco Bay area, where he first developed his love for baseball.
     
    In the following video interview, at about 20 min. 50 sec. into the video, Pastor Bill Hughes states, that his older brother is a broadcaster for a professional baseball team, and has been a sportscaster for over 30+ years. Pastor Bill Hughes also grew up in the Bay Area/San Jose, and his father was a University professor. It all matches up quite nicely; no conspiracy theorizing necessary.

    Bill Hughes Interview 6/20/15 - His Testimony, Apostasy in the Church and More...

    https://youtu.be/gadF0Y3YhnU?t=20m50s

    What are the chances... with the Chicago Cubs just winning their first World Series in 108 years...

    Now, that's nuts!

  54. Alden says:

    Soooooooo

    The Vatican supported the confederacy by responding to a letter from Jefferson Davis at the same time the Vatican was shipping tens of thousands of Catholic Europeans to the USA to fight in the Union army against the Confederacy.

    As the war drew to a close and the Catholic Union army was near victory Catholics assassinated Lincoln, the commander in chief of the Union army

    FYI, most of the lunatics claim that Booth was a “secret Jew”, not a Catholic.

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    In my experience and according to my research, the Vatican has a tendency to back both sides of a conflict, as an insurance policy. This does not mean however, that they don't have a preference on who they want to be victorious.

    For the American Civil War, as I documented above, a pretty clear case can be made, in my opinion, that the Confederacy was their preferred party/ideology to win. Vagueness is an often deployed tactic of the Vatican, as demonstrated in the following example. They are masters of public relations and diplomacy. A Catholic acquaintance of mine once told me, that ''the Jesuits kill you with their sweetness.'':


    Some American bishops interpreted In supremo as condemning only the slave trade and not slavery itself. Bishop John England of Charleston actually wrote several letters to the Secretary of State under President Van Buren explaining that the Pope, in In supremo, did not condemn slavery but only the slave trade.[118]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_slavery#United_States

    As to the Belgian and Irish soldiers fighting on behalf of the North; most of them were mercenaries not idealistic abolitionists or patriots; and as I cited above, it seems, that Ambrose Dudley Mann managed to persuade Pope Pius IX to counter the recruitment efforts of the North in Catholic countries (how much convincing was really necessary to persuade the Holy Father is not clear; probably not much):


    During his visit with the Pope Mann discussed the successful recruitment efforts by the Union who were recruiting thousands of soldiers from Ireland and Belgium, both Catholic countries. According to Clement Eaton, “Mann persuaded the Pope to discourage this enlistment of Catholics in Europe.” [12]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War

    Also, the Irish were not that significant of a factor when it came to troop size and strength; the same could probably be said about the Belgians and other Catholics, who fought for the North:


    He won critical approval for the endeavor from Archbishop Hughes, even though the prelate voiced private misgivings.[ Again, an example of the Vatican insurance policy and double-speak on display.] [...]

    Archbishop John Joseph Hughes of New York, the ‘bishop and chief’ of the New York Irish whose influence was nationwide, also urged his flock to help suppress the rebellion. But early in the war he pointedly warned the Lincoln administration that if Irish-American soldiers had ‘to fight for the abolition of slavery, then, indeed, they will turn away in disgust from the discharge of what would otherwise be a patriotic duty.’ [...]

    Despite the large numbers of enlistees flocking to the Irish regiments in 1861 and 1862, initially aided by high unemployment caused by the secession crisis, many Irish held back, concerned by what they saw as the rising influence of abolitionism in the Republican Party. Indeed, despite the wartime and historical fame of the Irish units, Irish Catholics, in relation to their percentage of the general population, were the most underrepresented of the various ethnic groups in the Federal armies. [...]

    Like that of most Northerners, the Irish response to the call to arms was determined by their own experience and interests. Scarred by the nativist movement in the 1840s and 1850s and believing their tenuous position in American society was threatened by cheap black labor, many held aloof or opposed the war effort. As James McPherson succinctly put it, many Irish saw the war as ‘waged by Yankee Protestants for black freedom,’ and they disliked both the cause and those leading it.
     

    - http://www.historynet.com/americas-civil-war-why-the-irish-fought-for-the-union.htm

    Just like the Jews, the Vatican usually asks: ''Is it good for the Vatican.''


    When I was growing up in the ’40s and ’50s, a single question was asked in my neighborhood of every piece of news, large or small, local or national: “Is it good for the Jews?” We have now learned to identify this question in all of its versions – Is it good for the Catholics? Is it good for the Latinos? [Who are, by the way, predominantly Catholic.] Is it good for the gays? and on and on – as the paradigmatic question of identity politics, the politics that is derived not from some general, even universal, assertion of what is good, but from a particularized concern with insular interests. Is it good for us, for those of our kind, for our tribe?

    A community in which this question is central and even natural will be a community with a sense of its own precariousness. (No one ever asks, is it good for the white, male, Anglo-Saxon graduates of Princeton; it’s always good for them.)
     

    - http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/?_r=0

    You warned about this, Alden:


    He, she or it won’t go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1634065

    But if you truly want to understand how the Zionists and the Vatican - sometimes secretly and sometimes not so secretly - collude with each other (against the historic Protestant American people); I would like to refer you to some of my previous posts on the Unz Review on this subject:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Rule or Ruin

    http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652

    I also want to emphasize, that[,] in my opinion, and this might come as a surprise to some, the Zionists/Israel Lobby is only the junior partner, in this Zionist-Vatican alliance.
     

  55. FKA Max says:
    @Alden
    Soooooooo

    The Vatican supported the confederacy by responding to a letter from Jefferson Davis at the same time the Vatican was shipping tens of thousands of Catholic Europeans to the USA to fight in the Union army against the Confederacy.

    As the war drew to a close and the Catholic Union army was near victory Catholics assassinated Lincoln, the commander in chief of the Union army

    FYI, most of the lunatics claim that Booth was a "secret Jew", not a Catholic.

    In my experience and according to my research, the Vatican has a tendency to back both sides of a conflict, as an insurance policy. This does not mean however, that they don’t have a preference on who they want to be victorious.

    For the American Civil War, as I documented above, a pretty clear case can be made, in my opinion, that the Confederacy was their preferred party/ideology to win. Vagueness is an often deployed tactic of the Vatican, as demonstrated in the following example. They are masters of public relations and diplomacy. A Catholic acquaintance of mine once told me, that ”the Jesuits kill you with their sweetness.”:

    Some American bishops interpreted In supremo as condemning only the slave trade and not slavery itself. Bishop John England of Charleston actually wrote several letters to the Secretary of State under President Van Buren explaining that the Pope, in In supremo, did not condemn slavery but only the slave trade.[118]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_slavery#United_States

    As to the Belgian and Irish soldiers fighting on behalf of the North; most of them were mercenaries not idealistic abolitionists or patriots; and as I cited above, it seems, that Ambrose Dudley Mann managed to persuade Pope Pius IX to counter the recruitment efforts of the North in Catholic countries (how much convincing was really necessary to persuade the Holy Father is not clear; probably not much):

    During his visit with the Pope Mann discussed the successful recruitment efforts by the Union who were recruiting thousands of soldiers from Ireland and Belgium, both Catholic countries. According to Clement Eaton, “Mann persuaded the Pope to discourage this enlistment of Catholics in Europe.” [12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War

    Also, the Irish were not that significant of a factor when it came to troop size and strength; the same could probably be said about the Belgians and other Catholics, who fought for the North:

    He won critical approval for the endeavor from Archbishop Hughes, even though the prelate voiced private misgivings.[ Again, an example of the Vatican insurance policy and double-speak on display.] [...]

    Archbishop John Joseph Hughes of New York, the ‘bishop and chief’ of the New York Irish whose influence was nationwide, also urged his flock to help suppress the rebellion. But early in the war he pointedly warned the Lincoln administration that if Irish-American soldiers had ‘to fight for the abolition of slavery, then, indeed, they will turn away in disgust from the discharge of what would otherwise be a patriotic duty.’ [...]

    Despite the large numbers of enlistees flocking to the Irish regiments in 1861 and 1862, initially aided by high unemployment caused by the secession crisis, many Irish held back, concerned by what they saw as the rising influence of abolitionism in the Republican Party. Indeed, despite the wartime and historical fame of the Irish units, Irish Catholics, in relation to their percentage of the general population, were the most underrepresented of the various ethnic groups in the Federal armies. [...]

    Like that of most Northerners, the Irish response to the call to arms was determined by their own experience and interests. Scarred by the nativist movement in the 1840s and 1850s and believing their tenuous position in American society was threatened by cheap black labor, many held aloof or opposed the war effort. As James McPherson succinctly put it, many Irish saw the war as ‘waged by Yankee Protestants for black freedom,’ and they disliked both the cause and those leading it.

    http://www.historynet.com/americas-civil-war-why-the-irish-fought-for-the-union.htm

    Just like the Jews, the Vatican usually asks: ”Is it good for the Vatican.

    When I was growing up in the ’40s and ’50s, a single question was asked in my neighborhood of every piece of news, large or small, local or national: “Is it good for the Jews?” We have now learned to identify this question in all of its versions – Is it good for the Catholics? Is it good for the Latinos? [Who are, by the way, predominantly Catholic.] Is it good for the gays? and on and on – as the paradigmatic question of identity politics, the politics that is derived not from some general, even universal, assertion of what is good, but from a particularized concern with insular interests. Is it good for us, for those of our kind, for our tribe?

    A community in which this question is central and even natural will be a community with a sense of its own precariousness. (No one ever asks, is it good for the white, male, Anglo-Saxon graduates of Princeton; it’s always good for them.)

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/?_r=0

    You warned about this, Alden:

    He, she or it won’t go away unless banned but responding just leads to more posts and endless links to his previous posts.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1634065

    But if you truly want to understand how the Zionists and the Vatican – sometimes secretly and sometimes not so secretly – collude with each other (against the historic Protestant American people); I would like to refer you to some of my previous posts on the Unz Review on this subject:

    The Curley Effect Versus the Kennedy Effect

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-curley-effect-versus-the-kennedy-effect/#comment-1619098

    Rule or Ruin

    http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652

    I also want to emphasize, that[,] in my opinion, and this might come as a surprise to some, the Zionists/Israel Lobby is only the junior partner, in this Zionist-Vatican alliance.

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  56. Pat Buchanan was excoriated as an anti-Semite because he wasn’t keen on the government taking money out of my pocket and giving it to Israel. Ron Paul was called a “vicious anti-Semite” for having the same position (Ron Paul opposes all foreign aid). As for Trump, he is as pro-Israel as standard issue Republican politicians are required to be, but because in a speech he denounced globalist capitalists, bankers, and lobbyists (while making no mention of Jews), a great many Jews said, “Hey, he’s talking about us!” and declared him an anti-Semite.

    The Republican Party represents the interests of Israel for more effectively than it represents the interests of the United States.

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  57. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    I’m pretty sure the Vatican supported the Confederacy. The assassination of Lincoln was a conspiracy of Catholics. (Not quite the same as a Catholic conspiracy.)
     
    I am pretty sure too, that the Vatican was favoring a victory by the Confederacy, and Booth was likely a Catholic convert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth#Possible_Catholic_Conversion :

    Although Pope Pius IX never signed an actual statement supporting the Confederacy, he responded to a letter written by Jefferson Davis on 23 September 1863 with a letter to Davis written 3 December 1863. Pius's "letter to Jefferson Davis was accompanied by an autographed picture of the pope"[9] in which the Pope addressed the Confederate President as "the "Honorable President of the Confederate States of America".[10][11] [...] Robert E. Lee, pointing to his own portrait of Pius IX, told a visitor after the war that he was "the only sovereign... in Europe who recognized our poor Confederacy".[16] [...] The letter was delivered to the Pope by Davis's commissioner to Belgium, Ambrose Dudley Mann. During his visit with the Pope Mann discussed the successful recruitment efforts by the Union who were recruiting thousands of soldiers from Ireland and Belgium, both Catholic countries. According to Clement Eaton, "Mann persuaded the Pope to discourage this enlistment of Catholics in Europe." [12]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Political_involvement_during_the_Civil_War

    After I shared the controversial video of Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Bill Hughes above - who was called a ''kook'' by one commenter - I was wondering what exactly caused Ellen G. White's (one of the founders of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church) hostile attitude towards the Roman Catholic Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._White

    The most likely reason I could find - besides the alleged conspiracy by persons, who (mostly/all?) happened to be Catholics (not necessarily a Catholic conspiracy, like you said, Wabbit) to assassinate President Lincoln - was the drastic increase of Catholic believers and Catholic institutions in the United States during the reign of Pope Pius IX (1846 - 1878), which occurred during Ellen G. White's lifetime (1827 - 1915):


    Together with German and Italian immigrants, the Catholic population in the United States increased from 4 percent at the beginning of the pontificate of Pius IX in 1846 to 11 percent in 1870.[1] Some 700 priests existed in the U.S. in 1846 compared to 6000 in 1878.[1] Pope Pius IX contributed to this development by establishing new Church regions and the installation of capable American bishops.[2]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX_and_the_United_States#Period_of_steady_immigration

    These are dramatic changes in a relatively short amount of time.

    Here another video interview with controversial - maybe even a little bit ''kooky,'' but I think sincere, and surely well read - Seventh-Day Adventist (not Evangelical) pastor Bill Hughes:

    The Vatican New World Order with Bill Hughes Must Watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdC9fUaKOyM


    I end this comment with Ron Unz's closing statement from his recent piece titled American Pravda: How the CIA Invented "Conspiracy Theories":


    So perhaps Beard was correct all along in recognizing the respectability of “conspiracy theories,” and we should return to his traditional American way of thinking, notwithstanding endless conspiratorial propaganda campaigns by the CIA and others to persuade us that we should dismiss such notions without any serious consideration.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    This is somewhat off-topic, but it is so synchronistic (nutty in a good way), that I had to share it here…

    I just found out that ”kooky” Seventh-Day Adventist pastor Bill Hughes is the younger brother of Pat Hughes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Hughes_(sportscaster)

    He has been the play-by-play voice of the Chicago Cubs Radio Network since 1996.

    Hughes graduated from San Jose State University where his father had served as a professor and where Hughes also did some announcing.

    Pat Hughes grew up in the San Francisco Bay area, where he first developed his love for baseball.

    In the following video interview, at about 20 min. 50 sec. into the video, Pastor Bill Hughes states, that his older brother is a broadcaster for a professional baseball team, and has been a sportscaster for over 30+ years. Pastor Bill Hughes also grew up in the Bay Area/San Jose, and his father was a University professor. It all matches up quite nicely; no conspiracy theorizing necessary.

    Bill Hughes Interview 6/20/15 – His Testimony, Apostasy in the Church and More…

    https://youtu.be/gadF0Y3YhnU?t=20m50s

    What are the chances… with the Chicago Cubs just winning their first World Series in 108 years…

    Now, that’s nuts!

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