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Another week in the U.S.H., the United States of Hysteria. The occasion of this week’s shriek-fest was of course President Trump’s engagement with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki.

Sample reaction, this one by Lt. General Mark Hertling in Politico:

In 2016, our country was targeted by an attack [whose] aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 … But two years on, we still haven’t put any boats or men in the proverbial water. We still have not yet acted—just today, President Donald Trump, a beneficiary of this attack, exonerated the man who ordered it: Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.

Putin’s Attack on the U.S. Is Our Pearl Harbor, By Mark Hertling And Molly K. McKew, July 16, 2018

So those Facebook ads posted by Russians in 2016 were just like Pearl Harbor, just like 9/11. It’s war, says General Hertling! Get those boats in the water! And Trump is Putin’s tool!

Yes, I agree, it’s deranged. And yes, I agree: President Trump’s notion of what our relations with Russia should be like is more correct, more reasonable, and just more damn sane than General Hertling’s is, or anyone else’s in the mob howling for war with Russia.

That said, our President made a poor showing at Helsinki. For a guy with as much TV experience as he has, we should expect a better performance.

Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our blessed bounty.

Yet presentation-wise, Putin looked like the alpha male at Helsinki, with Trump nodding along deferentially. It wasn’t quite as bad as those televised White House meetings on immigration and gun control that I was grumbling about earlier this year. They were presentational disasters; Helsinki was just a presentational failure.

Which pains me. I like this President. I voted for him, and look forward to voting for him again. His instincts on the big issues of our time are, I believe, correct. I hate all the people who hate him. I think a high proportion of those people have taken leave of their senses.

That makes a presentational failure like the one at Helsinki really painful to me. If you can’t do this kind of thing well, Mr President, just don’t do it. There’s no constitutional requirement here.

I’ll even have to admit I agree with the people who piled on Trump for dissing our intelligence agencies at the news conference. I’m not a fan of those agencies, or indeed of intelligence agencies in general, ours or anyone else’s. I think Trump’s right to distrust them.

I just don’t think a news conference in a foreign country is the right place to air that distrust. Whatever their faults and failings, our intelligence professionals are Americans, on the payroll of our government, and those faults and failings are for us to discuss in our forums and fix under ourlaws, not for foreigners to whoop and crow about.

Sorry if I’ve broken anybody’s heart here. I know from my email bag that a lot of Radio Derb listeners are Always Trumpers, for whom our President can do no wrong.

That’s not me. I like the Confucian principle of remonstrance. In Imperial China a loyal minister who believed the Emperor was mistaken about something would show up at court to present his criticism dragging his coffin behind him. Message: “I expect you’ll have me executed for saying so, but you’re wrong, boss.”

Having said that…

This he obsession with Russia among our liberal elites is getting beyond puzzling and into weird. I lived through the Cold War, when the Russians controlled half of Europe and advertised themselves as the advance guard of an inevitable worldwide revolution. I don’t recall this level of anti-Russian passion—certainly not on the political Left, a great many of whom liked the U.S.S.R.

Sure, post-Soviet Russia has done naughty things. They occupied the Crimea and they’ve intervened energetically in Syria’s civil war. Naughty for sure, but under strong geostrategic compulsion: Russia needs those naval bases.

They’ve murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it’s disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation—which indeed it’s got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain.

It wasn’t Pearl Harbor, though; it wasn’t 9/11; any more than Russia’s minuscule diddling in our 2016 election was. What isthis anti-Russian hysteria all about?

One theory I hear a lot is that it is Cold War backlash from the Left. Our Leftists can’t forgive the Russians for having ceased being communists. There was the Soviet Union, marching forward into the radiant future under the banners of Marx and Lenin, an inspiration to Leftists everywhere … then suddenly they were pulling down the statues and selling off state enterprises.

To add insult to the Left’s injury, the Russians—well, some of them—returned openly to Christianity. And not only did they drop actual Marxism, they showed no enthusiasm for Cultural Marxism, marginalizing homosexuals and feminists and keeping themselves overwhelmingly, shamefully, white.

It’s not hard to see how vexing all this must be to the ethnomasochist Progressives of the West.

There’s probably something in all that, but as an explanation for the level of anti-Russian hysteria we see, it falls way short.

The main problem with it is that all of that—the naughtiness, the Christianity, the homophobia, the horrible whiteness—all of that was the case five years ago, and ten years ago, and fifteen years ago; but without the hysteria.

Recall Barack Obama’s embarrassing hot mike incident in 2012, when he told then-President of Russia Dmitri Medvedev he’d have “more flexibility” to negotiate after the fall election, to which Medvedev replied: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.” [Microphone Catches a Candid Obama, By J. David Goodman, NYT, March 26, 2012]

Recall Mrs. Clinton presenting Russia’s Foreign Minister with a “reset button” three years before that. [Lost In Translation: A U.S. Gift To Russia, By Mark Landler, NYT, March 6, 2009] Recall George W. Bush, eight years before that, looking into Putin’s eye and getting a sense of his soul.

Was there even any grumbling from the Left about those episodes? Maybe, but I don’t recall hysteria, certainly nothing like at the current level.

It seems plain to me that the anti-Russia hysteria is really just anti-Trumpism. Like a river in flood, anti-Trumpism is propelled by too much pressure for its regular outlet to contain. It had to burst through and make new outlets.

Losing the 2016 election was a terrible, colossal psychic trauma for the American Left. They can’t believe Trump did it by himself. They can’t believe 63 million Americans voted for him of our own free will.

We were duped! Or the numbers were manipulated! Or the polls were sabotaged! Or something—anything!

Distortion on that scale needs a malign power to explain it. With belief in the supernatural now at a low ebb, that power has to be some foreign country: a country that’s big and naughty, but not rich enough to have bought off many lobbyists or congresscritters, not economically significant enough to retaliate against us via trade boycotts, and of course not Muslim or nonwhite—you don’t want to imply there’s anything malign about them. That would be racist. [Scream.]

That pretty much leaves you with just Russia—the perfect scapegoat.

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A footnote to this: This week of all weeks, it would be wrong to pass any comment related to Russia without noting the centenary on Tuesday of the murder of the Romanovs—Tsar Nicholas II, his wife, their five children and some of their servants. To commemorate the event, many thousands of Russians marched in an overnight procession from the site of the killings to the place thirteen miles away where the bodies were dumped, stripped, and mutilated to prevent recognition.

The murder of the Romanovs was exceptionally gruesome. The executioners were drunk and incompetent; although they were armed and the Romanovs were not, it took them twenty minutes to dispatch the family in a small room. The Tsar’s children were four girls aged 22, 21, 19, and 17, and a boy aged twelve.

That’s revolutionary socialism in action. Say what you like about Russia, at least she’s not that country any more.

Say what you like about Putin, he’s not Lenin—the first and worst of the twentieth century’s evil political geniuses, from whom all the others learned their methods.

2010-12-24dl[1]John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includesNational Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT(also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    I’m not sure what the purpose of this somewhat jingoistic prefatory note is, or whom it is intended to placate. It is a farrago of false, outdated stereotypes about Russia based entirely on the situation there in the 1990s.

    Like it or not, Putin is the democratically elected leader of Russia, in elections that have been generally free and fair. They like him over there, and vote for him in huge numbers. Given that per capita GDP in Russia is about 3-4 times as high as when he took office, this is not surprising.

    As for its being an “economic non-entity among nations”, it is a mid-sized economy, about the size of an Australia, Italy, India and so on, a $2 trillion economy, give or take, using the purchasing power parity figures. It is no America, China, Japan or Germany, but is nestled in the tier of countries just below those. Much of the disparagement of its post 2014 economy is based on the US$ figures of its GDP, a misleading measure that is severely affected by transient fluctuations in the exchange rate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

    The stereotype about its rusting military is equally out-of-date, as numerous factually detailed articles right here at unz.com attest.

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/newly-revealed-russian-weapons-systems-political-implications/

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/do-you-think-his-assessment-is-accurate/

    Lastly, there is plenty of credible evidence that deaths from alcoholism have fallen by 50% or so, since the bad old days, two decades ago. Yes, that’s still twice the rate for males in the EU, but they’re sobering up.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42738511

    http://www.who.int/gho/publications/world_health_statistics/2017/EN_WHS2017_Part3.pdf#page=8

  2. Andy says:

    Russia has a number of problems…but a rusting military? Derbyshire needs to be put up to date with Putin’s successful drive to modernize the Russian military. In some cases (for example, the hypersonic missiles announced by Putin early this year) they actually have more advanced weaponry than the US. And Russia has actually won a war in the Middle East (in Syria) something that the US gave been unable to do for the last 15 years.

    • Replies: @romar
    , @follyofwar
  3. phil says:

    “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.”

    Putin took over on December 31, 1999. The country had been raped by the oligarchs and suffered hyperinflation. Pensioners were driven into horrific poverty en masse. Life expectancy plummeted. Putin neutralized the oligarchs without renationalizing industries and put the economy on a more sustainable upward path. The people are now in much better shape, including ordinary Jews. Drunkenness has lessened. Putin is reasonably popular. There is hope. Russia also has new advanced weapons.

  4. Miro23 says:

    Losing the 2016 election was a terrible, colossal psychic trauma for the American Left. They can’t believe Trump did it by himself. They can’t believe 63 million Americans voted for him of our own free will.

    This just shows that a lot of people no longer trust the MSM.

    The next step is to take a closer look at Congressional candidates and get commitments for 1) no ME wars 2) infrastructure spending 3) no mass immigration 3) stop $ billions for Israel 6) active swamp draining.

    • Replies: @JohnRedburn
  5. The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty

    It was the falsiest false flag in the history of false flags. Nothing about it made any sense whatsoever. A complete PR operation. The whole(and failed) purpose was to derail the World Cup.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  6. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Derbyshire is pretty good at spoon feeding people who enjoy being told that they’re superior to blacks, especially those who also think Brits are, in turn, above them.

    But Mr. Derbyshire once again genuflects before his adoptive Uncle Sam, mindlessly parroting the PutinIsEvilTyrant mantra that the likes of Pat Buchanan, Andrew Napolitano, and occasionally even Tucker Carlson need to keep their spots along the Right side of Establishia.

    That Mr. Derbyshire does so here — fancying himself a martyr in the war against institutional thinking like that at National Review — indicates naïveté or cravenness.

    Before further embarrassing himself by sharing his gulled views on Russia, he should read and think about the work of the more informed, insightful authors at Unz Review who provide a broader and better readership than he deserves.

    Or just stick with the race bait.

    • Agree: edNels, gsjackson
    • Replies: @chris
  7. Eagle Eye says:

    The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it’s disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation …

    Agree that “diplomatic retaliation” is called for. The U.S. should break off diplomatic relations to the UK immediately, and through them out on their ear.

    The Skripals are DEAD, murdered by MI5 to extend the useful life of Hillary’s anti-Trump “Steele Dossier” that Sergei Skripal helped concoct.

    The fact that Britain claims to have Sergei and Yulia Skripal in custody proves that Britain is responsible. British media coverage is smothered by “D notices” and blithely play along with a ridiculous government “narrative” – another bad sign.

    Does anyone really expect to see the Skripals alive again?

    Who else do you expect will come back from the dead?

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/good-timing/#comment-2403153

  8. Adrian E. says:

    I don‘t think there is any reasonable way in which Trump can be said to be a more legitimate president of his country than Putin. He did not even receive a majority of votes, after all. Certainly, the electoral college is the way it is done in the US, so overall, Trump is still the legitimate president of the US, but there are certainly fewer doubts in Putin‘s case than in Trump‘s.

    Calling Russia dysfunctional is completely ignorant. That may have been the case in the 90es when the authoritarian darling of the West, the drunkard Yeltsin was in power and the Russian economy was ruined by oligarchs and American advisors. Things have changed a lot since then.

  9. The Romanovs undoing was the collusion of a large part of the Russian elite with the British Empire – the very same British Empire that had happily contributed to the Japanese Victory in the war of 1905.

    The still-slandered Rasputin was a strong voice against the (for the Romanovs) suicidal war of 1914, and, surprise, the British consul was present on the occasion of his murder).

    Indeed, our ruling class is crazy, as is any ruling class that sides with the British.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  10. Sure, post-Soviet Russia has done naughty things. [… Crimea …] and they’ve intervened energetically in Syria’s civil war. Naughty for sure …

    Intervening in Syria’s civil war is naughty?

    Thus saving a christian tradition of 2.000 years is naughty?

    Mr. Derbyshire certainly knows who is acting murderously naughty in Syria.

    What has happened in Syria is a disgrace for the christian West.

  11. Derbyshire articles are always tricky: a sharp intelligence married to the capacity for utter nonsense.
    Once Derbyshire dismounts from his immigration/cultural Marxism hobby horse he often ends up to his ankles in poo of his own making.
    He seems to have swallowed the MSM/establishment line on the Skripnals hook, line, & sinker. His views on Russia are simply embarrassing.
    But, he’s spot on re: causes of the Russia hysteria. Russia is the great convenience – perfect to explain the defeat of the vile Clinton & a perfect stick to constantly bash the President. (I didn’t hear the whole of the Putin press conference, but my impression of Trump’s so-called treason was that he merely implied that the US’s IC wasn’t correct re hacking etc … So this amounts to treason…? Treason, because Trump is correct & the IC are a ravening pack of liars & monsters.)

    • Replies: @Louie
  12. Dutch Boy says:

    Derbyshire needs to read unz.com to dispel some of his mistaken ideas (e.g., the rusting Russian military and the Skripal BS.

  13. 5371 says:

    If Philip K. Dick imagined the Roman Empire had never gone away, the Derb feels much the same about the 1990s.

  14. Realist says:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our blessed bounty.

    So much bullshit. Putin is not an illegitimate leader. The is no country on the face of the earth more corrupt than the US.
    Derbyshire must be under attack by the Deep State.

    • Replies: @hunor
  15. David JW says:

    Derbyshire is a phony. First of all, the deep state in the US is controlled by a certain ethnic minority. They’re not all patriotic Americans by any means. Trump is doing nothing wrong by winding things up in Syria – or by making peace with Russia, a country with which the US has little trade. I think Trump is preparing for a bigger clash with China and the Russia and Middle East things are diversions. Of course, in a clash with China, which side would Derbyshire be on? ‘Nuff said.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @geokat62
    , @denk
  16. Art Deco says:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our blessed bounty.

    Richard Lowry employed you for the amusement value of an elderly man making throwaway remarks. In the course of your current employment, you and your readers might benefit if you actually checked the numbers now and again.

    1. You could classify Russia as a high-end middle income country or a 2d tier affluent country. Depending on the metric you prefer, its productive base is the world’s 6th largest or 12th largest. Since 1998, it has registered a doubling of domestic product per capita with a growth rate exceeding that of all but 5 European countries and all but 1 European country from among those with a population exceeding 4 million. Of course, it has been more dynamic than North America, the Antipodes, and the affluent Far East.

    2. Russia’s total fertility rate at 1.75 exceeds both the European and occidental means. Russia, unlike many countries, has seen a dramatic recovery in fertility since 1998. If past proves to be prologue, they may reach replacement-level fertility within 10 years. Israel is the only affluent country with replacement-level fertility as we speak.

    3. Russian life expectancy at birth (71.6 years) is depressed for an occidental country. However, they’ve pulled out of the public health catastrophe they suffered during their Yeltsin-era economic depression and have added 7 years to life expectancy at birth since that time.

    4. The homicide rate in Russia is high for an occidental country (11 per 100,000). However, it’s been cut by 30% in the last 7 years or so.

    5. Russia’s military expenditure ranks 4th globally. Persons familiar with proper performance metrics can weigh in on how effective that military is. Please note, however, that Russia is one of a small menu of occidental and quasi-occidental countries willing to act independently abroad. (The others are the United States, Britain, France, and Israel).

    6. It encompasses all territory in the world which is predominantly Great Russian bar the city of Narva in Estonia and some border counties in Kazakhstan. Over 90% of it’s population lives in territories in which ethnic Russians predominate. The only peripheral areas in which Great Russians do not form a majority are in the Caucasus. About 4% of the country’s total population lives in those areas. Russia is not territorially over-stretched.

    7. The political order is deficient in various ways. It is, however, pluralistic and pluralistic to a degree matched in Russian history only between 1905 and 1918 and between 1988 and 2005. The degree of public assent to VP and his confederates in the Duma exceeds that accorded a head of state and government in just about any other occidental country.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @FKA Max
  17. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    Other commentators have noted how highly inaccurate this statement is, so I’ll say only that I lived in Moscow from September 2016 until January 2018 and the country that I saw in no way resembles Derb’s characterization. Russia has its problems but I don’t see demographic replacement or civil war in the cards, as I do for the [sooner-or-later-to-be] Disunited States.

    Russian control of the Crimea is essential to its national security; the Black Sea is to Russia what the Gulf of Mexico is to the U.S. Any Russian leader, seeing the Ukrainian government toppled by a U.S. backed coup, that failed to act to secure Crimea, is irresponsible. The wisdom of Russian involvement in Syria can be fairly debated among Russians, but Syria is a lot closer to Russia than to the United States. At least Russian involvement in Syria is not the result of being a pawn of a foreign power, as it is in the case of the U.S.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  18. Sunbeam says:

    “Sure, post-Soviet Russia has done naughty things. They occupied the Crimea and they’ve intervened energetically in Syria’s civil war. Naughty for sure, but under strong geostrategic compulsion: Russia needs those naval bases.”

    Seriously, you wrote this? Besides the hypocrisy of someone living in the US writing this, you actually think the Syria thing is about Russia wanting naval bases.

    That’s so wrong, I don’t know where to start. I’d be here for a while writing exactly why I think Russia is in Syria. Not in my wildest imaginings did any of it involve naval bases though.

    “They’ve murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it’s disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation—which indeed it’s got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain.”

    So I take it you believe the Russian poisoned this guy?

    “On 4 March 2018, he and his daughter Yulia, who was visiting him from Moscow, were poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent.[5][6] As of 15 March 2018,[7] they were in a critical condition at Salisbury District Hospital. The poisoning is being investigated as an attempted murder.[6] He holds both Russian and British citizenship.[8] On 21 March 2018 Russian ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko said that Sergei Skripal is also a Russian citizen.[9][10] [7]

    On 29 March, Yulia was reported to be out of critical condition, ‘conscious and talking’.[11] A week later, on 6 April, Skripal was said to no longer be in a critical state.[12] He was discharged on 18 May.”

    I say it never happened. I think it was made up out of thin air. Just for a talking point and propaganda piece. And it is a clumsy, ludicrous framing job. Nothing clever about it, just BS as brazen as Colin Powell lying his ass off to the UN.

    So in England people theoretically exposed to nerve toxins get treated by the NHS at a public facility? Really? Really? That’s how they do it? Not by a military doctor trained to specifically deal with cases like this?

    Rubbish. If you buy it, you are not very smart.

    • Agree: JMcG
  19. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    Wow – Art Deco totally gets the better of John Derbyshire. Not something I ever expected to see.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  20. Corvinus says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “Like it or not, Putin is the democratically elected leader of Russia, in elections that have been generally free and fair.”

    No.

    The government barred Putin’s leading opponent from running.

    Ballot-stuffing was caught on video in multiple places.

    The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe concluded that the election “took place in an overly controlled legal and political environment marked by continued pressure on critical voices” and that “restrictions on the fundamental freedoms of assembly, association and expression, as well as on candidate registration, have limited the space for political engagement and resulted in a lack of genuine competition.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @JMcG
  21. jeppo says:

    Yet presentation-wise, Putin looked like the alpha male at Helsinki, with Trump nodding along deferentially.

    Trump can afford to be deferential since Putin will be making all the concessions.

  22. Rich says:

    I really can’t take this constant talk about “alpha male” nonsense. It sounds so effeminate it drives me nuts. I don’t remember any of this from my father’s generation that fought in WW2 and Korea, or my older cousins who fought in Vietnam, and I don’t remember it when I was in school, or in the military. It’s like some really effeminate scholar did a study of men, trying to overthink the way men act. Like this kept Frenchman, Macron, who kept squeezing Trump’s hand to prove how “macho” he was. I’ve known some pretty tough guys in my life and none ever played that girly game.

    It sounds like the kind of talk butch lesbians might have when they’re trying to figure out how to act like men.

    • Agree: utu, Dillon Sweeny, Vojkan
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Daniel Rich
  23. Others here have criticized this trash sufficiently:

    “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks”.

    Remember, to “Derb” we’re all essentially latrine flies here.

  24. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks

    Is Putin also leader of another country that I have never heard of?

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  25. @PiltdownMan

    I suspect trashing Russia makes him feel better about his own country going to shit. He knows America and the West in general are anything, but “buoyant”.

    A healthy, confident society does not elect president Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @Wally
  26. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus

    The government barred Putin’s leading opponent from running.

    No, it did not. Since 1991, the distribution of preferences in Russia has bounced around a series of set points. What you see roughly is as follows:

    1. “The Machine”: 55%
    2. Soviet nostalgiacs: 15%
    3. Russian nationalists: 15%
    4. Occidental spectrum: 15%

    The 3d of these is apportioned about evenly between Zhirinovsky admirers and the remainder. The last is apportioned between parties of a more social democratic or populist bent and parties of a more social-liberal bent. The sort of Europhile element you’re calling ‘the leading opponent’ is generally good for 7% of the ballots. People wanting that choice had that choice, just not the particular person to whom you refer.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  27. gentzen says:

    Oh Dear
    Very disappointing, ignorant comments about Russia from Derbyshire.
    And surprising.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  28. To add insult to the Left’s injury, the Russians—well, some of them—returned openly to Christianity. And not only did they drop actual Marxism, they showed no enthusiasm for Cultural Marxism, marginalizing homosexuals and feminists and keeping themselves overwhelmingly, shamefully, white.

    So called “Cultural Marxism”, or whatever is passing under this term in the West, didn’t exist in USSR since Stalin. It was a profoundly conservative society with a huge emphasis on family values, with homosexuality considered a crime and with many other cultural features, including “folkish” Russian culture (somebody has to lecture Western “academia” on what were the most popular TV series in USSR in 1960s-1980s) promoted, including a massive and greatly influential art-movement of Pochvenniki. But I guess for “connoisseurs” of Russian culture whose bottom line is founded on Solzhenitsyn with some Pasternak and Hollywood cliches it is difficult to admit the fact that they pretty much know nothing about Russia’s history of the 20th century.

  29. Vendetta says:

    a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    Sounds just like America…

  30. Mr. Anon says:

    I’ll even have to admit I agree with the people who piled on Trump for dissing our intelligence agencies at the news conference. I’m not a fan of those agencies, or indeed of intelligence agencies in general, ours or anyone else’s. I think Trump’s right to distrust them.

    Maybe. Maybe not. It is clear that Trump’s own DoJ acted to sabotage him by releasing the indictments of the twelve russian GRU officials just before Trump’s meeting with Putin.

    I would like to see a couple questions asked of Trump’s critics (maybe Tucker Carlson could ask them).

    1.) When was the last time that the Justice Department indicted foreign intelligence agents living abroad? Have they ever done it? Are we truly shocked that foreign spies are spying on us?

    2.) Has the CIA ever interfered with a foreign election? Is there any current operation in which they are interfering with a foreign election? Have they supported any NGO or political party in Russia that is in opposition to the current russian government?

    3.) When did liberals decide that the acid test of loyalty to America is one’s loyalty to the US government’s clandestine intelligence agencies?

  31. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Richard Lowry employed you for the amusement value of an elderly man making throwaway remarks.

    Whereas nobody would ever pay you for anything you had to say.

    Not even Rich Lowry.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @vinteuil

    Wow – Art Deco totally gets the better of John Derbyshire. Not something I ever expected to see.

    Maybe. Still, Derbyshire is on my side. The puffed-up twit known as “Art Deco” is not.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  33. Mr. Anon says:

    By simply penning a column, Mr. Derbyshire has gotten Art Deco and Corvinus to attack one another.

    Perhaps the two of them could decamp to the yawning wilderness of Mr. Deco’s website to continue the cage match. Get back to us in a few years as to who won.

  34. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our borders to share in our blessed bounty.

    Mr. Derbyshire, in what sense is Putin “illegitimate” as the Russian head of state?

    I mean, for all my horror of the HellBeast (and it’s substantial), let’s face it: Trumpy is the skin-of-his-teeth winner of a Constitutional, yes, but also corrupt and rigged, election process. And our main national problem isn’t holding back the tide of border-breakers; it’s the lack of any interest in doing so on the part of the ruling class, and the failure of the ruled to rise up and overthrow our corrupt rulers. In a lot of ways, we make Russia look pretty good.

  35. Hunsdon says:
    @Corvinus

    Even if we accept everything in that article you linked as the gospel truth, there’s this: ” While none of them poses a serious challenge to Putin, the Kremlin is worried about voter apathy and has focused on boosting turnout to make Putin’s victory as impressive as possible.”

    Ah, but you’re doubtless too much of a good moral Christian to respond to the likes of me!

  36. Hunsdon says:
    @gentzen

    It could be that as a more senior fellow, the Derb is simply suffering from ideosclerosis, a hardening of the ideas. It certainly sounds like he’s discussing Russia in the ’90s.

  37. Hunsdon says:

    The Russians went into Crimea after the US instigated a coup (“regime change”) against Ukraine. Crimea is the home to the Black Sea Fleet and has tremendous national importance to Russia. Think of it as our San Diego.

    The Russians went into Syria at the express invitation of the government of the Syrian Arab Republic. The US is in Syria on the basis of “no one can tell us no.” Might makes right? Is that a principle the Derb really wants to endorse? (If need be, we could go deeper into the weeds and discuss just who each side, the Americans and the Russians, are supporting in Syria; that also favors the Russians.)

    Perhaps the Derb should educate himself by visiting Pat Lang’s site and reading what non-propagandists are saying.

  38. @PiltdownMan

    Stupidity like this is what comes from a man who imported a Chinese woman, has Chinese offspring and is afraid of Jews. He could not keep his family shamefully white.

    His scribblings are become more inane and increasingly deranged. Part of this stems from his personal life. His mediocre Chinese offspring have been nothing but trouble to him. He is in ill health and is old. He deserves everything he’s gotten.

    Unfortunately for us, he will leave a genetic mess in the West. He writes about the right and left. There is no right and left. There is only biology and IQ which leads to race differences. Race leads to what kinds of races and where they live. Then this leads to what races make up the West. Hint: it’s not black/Asians/Jews/Muslims. Derbyshire will not and cannot deal with any of this because of his family situation.

  39. @Corvinus

    thank you for the laughs, i hope you are trying to be sarcastic but i doubt it.
    people like you is the reason this world is going to hell btw, enjoy your kool-aid sheeple.
    you actually used a link to the independent to prove your point, by that you showed yourself to be utter useless or a hasbara idiot. only sheeple read and believe propaganda outlets, thats is why i know you can only be one of the two;)
    so either you go tell your manager you need a refresher course or you just keep on drinking the kool-aid and pay your taxes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  40. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    God I hate limeys. Especially some prol limey who went to a third-rate university who fancies himself as some Oxonian intellectual. It’s so obvious Derb is merely trying to distract from focusing on the real enemy, the Chinks.

    • Replies: @denk
  41. Corvinus says:
    @Per/Norway

    “people like you is the reason this world is going to hell btw, enjoy your kool-aid sheeple.”

    Why, because people are able to find out information from different sources and figure out things for themselves?

    “you actually used a link to the independent to prove your point, by that you showed yourself to be utter useless or a hasbara idiot.”

    Exactly why the “Fake News” crowd is only becoming more ignorant. Question what is contained in the source, not the source itself. A reasonable person does not outright and repeatedly dismiss sources entirely. Rather, they read a wide range of materials, take information from them, and develop a response. Instead what righties and lefties are doing increasingly is engaging in confirmation bias–that is, they only focus on information that conforms to their world view and discount anything else.

  42. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    “No, it did not. ”

    Actually, it did.

    TROLL FIGHT!!!

    (Actually, “Art Deco” has made at least one intelligent and informative comment on this thread, so perhaps only 3/4 a troll-fight.)

  43. Cyrano says:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military

    Watch it there, pal, you are coming dangerously close to what that genius Hitler once said about Russia – something about Russia being a limp virgin ready to be taken into the lustful mighty arms of German Mars – or some stupidity like that. It turned out that our limp virgin by 1945 developed such a phallus that managed to tore a new one to Germany.

    If I was you, I wouldn’t worry so much about the condition that Russia is in today, I would rather worry about the shape that your country of origin – GB is in. On one hand, Britain still rules over the same eclectic mix of people like in the glory days of its empire – the only difference is that now they had to scale down their “empire” to about 244 000 sq km and also had to suffer some minor indignities along the way, such as organized gang rapes from their subjects of indo-pakistani origin, but other than that – it’s just like it used to be.

  44. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    Bullshit!

    They’ve murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it’s disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation—which indeed it’s got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain.

    More Bullshit!

    I just don’t think a news conference in a foreign country is the right place to air that distrust.

    That’s your stupid opinion.

    It was a crappy presentation. And presentation for you means more than substance. You are NOT helping Derb.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  45. Jon0815 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Given that per capita GDP in Russia is about 3-4 times as high as when he took office, this is not surprising.

    It’s 8 times as high: $1330 in 1999 vs. $10,743 in 2017.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCA

    As for its being an “economic non-entity among nations”, it is a mid-sized economy, about the size of an Australia, Italy, India and so on, a $2 trillion economy, give or take, using the purchasing power parity figures.

    It’s a $4 trillion economy using the purchasing power parity figures (the same as Germany).

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  46. ‘…Our Ruling Class Is Crazy…’

    They’re no longer our ruling class. That’s why Trump drives them crazy. That he’s in the White House rubs their nose in the fact.

  47. Why is Putin’s pompous posturing taken so seriously? It, basically, is nothing more than a Potemkin village.

    • Replies: @WickerMan
    , @Hunsdon
    , @Art Deco
  48. our intelligence professionals are Americans,

    And many of them are dual citizens, foreign nationals, immigrants or the children of immigrants, so they are not American at all.

    No one not a natural born citizen born to natural born citizens should be employed by the US government in any capacity, including the military.

  49. WickerMan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I’m agnostic about Russia’s strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, Russia’s left the ICU of the 1990s, but I’m not sure about its future.

    One thing that makes Russia relevant: its strategic nuclear forces. Forget the so-called military modernizations written about in Unz.com, Russia alone retains the capacity to destroy the US and there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Ironically, we should all be hoping for a stronger Russia. It will be less reliant on its nuclear deterrent if its conventional forces are solid.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  50. romar says:
    @Andy

    Mr. JD doesn’t appear to keep up with the news about Russia… Puzzling.
    But even more puzzling: he believes the UK leaders nonsense about the “Skripals affair.” A bad sign, indeed.
    As for Trump’s performance at Helsinki, I don’t see why he should be pained by it: it was no worse than any of his previous shows.
    And Putin was just his usual self: efficient and together. Trump did well to agree that Putin should present the summary of their talks, as there was no time for producing a written report for Trump to read. Putin had, as usual. taken notes during the two meetings.
    What Trump said in his opening remarks was fine, and he sounded just right and convincing. The problem arose when he was answering questions, and he certainly shouldn’t have run his intel down as he did, but in all fairness they don’t deserve better.

    • Replies: @Realist
  51. @Jon0815

    Thank you for the correction. I got my PPP and nominal-dollars-exchange-rate figures mixed up as I edited. Russia is indeed on par with Germany in GDP at purchasing power parity according to both IMF and World Bank figures.

  52. “BREAK IN ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN BORDERS”

    When I was young, the original German and Irish and Italian immigrants were aging. A few newcomers had immigrated for good pay but not many Germans want to bust beer cases in Milwaukee and not many Irish want to work in the stockyards of Chicago and Italians are not scrambling to North Jersey.

    Western Europeans have not been breaking down the doors of the US to get in for oh, about 100 years.

    How many Finns want to live in the rough section of St. Paul Minnesota these days.

    On the subject of Latin immigration, thus far they have clustered in the US southwest or Florida. Not as many, though too many already, have found the Upper Midwest tantalizing enough to stomp through the rest of the states like Africans walk through Sicily to get up to orderly and prosperous countries of Northern Europe.

    Not many Africans want to hang around Malta, that is for sure.

  53. Derb,

    For the sake of your reputation, please listen to your many critics on this one and take their objections to heart. This column is almost unbelievably bad and misinformed.

    • Agree: David
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @JVC
  54. hunor says:
    @Realist

    This unfortunate spirit named Derbyshire is not under
    attack by the Deep State , but an integral part of ” them “.

  55. Wally says:
    @Rich

    said:
    “It sounds like the kind of talk butch lesbians might have when they’re trying to figure out how to act like men.”

    It is definitely curious that men hating lesbians / feminists generally try to look like men and take on the worst characteristics of them. Penis envy writ large.

  56. Biff says:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country,

    With a higher approval rating than any other world leader in my lifetime, this is quite a stretch.

  57. Wally says:
    @Felix Keverich

    said:
    “A healthy, confident society does not elect president Donald Trump.”

    No doubt it’s difficult for society to recover after eight years of Obama, but they did manage to reject Hillary.

    Recovery is a process.

    ‘The Left needs to face reality: Trump is winning’: https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/the-left-needs-to-face-reality-trump-is-winning/

  58. I wonder why nobody denounces the asking of idiotic questions, solemnly to embarrass the leader of another country [H.E. Mr. Putin] in front of an international audience…?

  59. @Adrian E.

    He did not even receive a majority of votes, after all.

    Nobody else did, either. Same as in 2000, 1996, 1992, 1968, 1960, 1948, 1916, 1912…

  60. @byrresheim

    the (for the Romanovs) suicidal war of 1914

    The Romanovs were hardly the only victims of self-infliction.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  61. @Mr. Anon

    Still, Derbyshire is on my side. The puffed-up twit known as “Art Deco” is not.

    I’ve never been able to discern whose side Deco is on. He is useful at times, though.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  62. @Hunsdon

    Why is Putin’s pompous posturing taken so seriously? It, basically, is nothing more than a Potemkin village.

    Nuclear weapons.

    Replace “Putin” with “Truman”, and this exchange would be no different.

  63. @Rich

    Being a man was once a normal thing to be. Today we’re awash in fluid genders and it takes about 4 minutes if you want to properly ‘address’ everyone.

    “Small men, who pry into a brain will never think big.”

  64. Seraphim says:
    @David JW

    He sometimes looked like an intelligent man. His emphatic endorsement of all the silly slogans about Russia proves that he is not.

  65. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    2. Russia’s total fertility rate at 1.75 exceeds both the European and occidental means. Russia, unlike many countries, has seen a dramatic recovery in fertility since 1998. If past proves to be prologue, they may reach replacement-level fertility within 10 years. Israel is the only affluent country with replacement-level fertility as we speak.

    This article from 2006:

    Muslim birthrate worries Russia

    Today, it is one of four mosques in Moscow serving a Muslim population of about 2.5 million. On Fridays and holy days, it overflows with worshippers, leaving many to kneel on newspapers outside, their foreheads pressed against the concrete.
    [...]
    Russia’s Muslims, however, are bucking that trend. The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow is six children per woman, Mr. Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. At the same time, hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work.

    Russia’s Muslim population has increased by 40 percent since 1989, to about 25 million. By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia’s conscript army and by 2020 one-fifth of the population.

    “If nothing changes, in 30 years, people of Muslim descent will definitely outnumber ethnic Russians,” Mr. Goble said.

    For many Slavic Russians, the prospect of becoming a minority in their country is terrifying.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/20/20061120-115904-9135r/

    Maybe these figures are a little exaggerated, but not too far off the mark, in my opinion:

    Source: https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/russias-growing-muslim-population

    Muslims and the Chinese are taking over the south and east of Russia through high birth rates and (illegal) immigration. More in this interview:

    Russia’s Threat Is Overhyped – Brandon J. Weichert – Seth & Chris Show

    Source: https://www.unz.com/proberts/is-president-trump-a-traitor-because-he-wants-peace-with-russia/#comment-2426142

    Russia: Drone captures massive Eid al-Fitr celebrations in Moscow

  66. I am unclear why you disguised the meat of this article with a negative critique of Russia. To date despite the myriad of accusation, there is no evidence that the Russian government engaged in any manner of attack against the US political infrastructure.

    The data for such a case is just not present. But much of that for this president is no longer a consideration. he has signed on to the report as legitimate. And having done so must act accordingly and that means he must respond as if the attack was real and either damaging or successful.

    I agree that the president should have side stepped the report and indictments while standing next to the accused and indicated as soon as he returns to the US he will examine the report. His choices since then has undermined his position that this is a manufactured tale of political retribution and manipulation.

    This has become a very sad affair, for the supporters of the president, of which I am one.

  67. @Andrei Martyanov

    I was taught ‘we’ won the war [WWII].

    Yes, there was something about Stalingrad and the siege of St Petersburg, but ‘we’ gave ‘you’ guys the means to fend off the Germans…

    I didn’t know an estimated 44,000,000 Russians perished during WWII.

    I didn’t know if it hadn’t been for the Russian Army grinding down the German divisions, we might still be at war…

    After I finished my study, I learned at lot.

    So, I sincerely apologize for all the western idiocies you and your countrymen have to face. The fact that your President is spat on on every occasion by western MSM makes me want to puke.

    But, one day, the wider world will realize how close we’ve come to WWIII and if it hadn’t been for H.E. Mr. Putin and Russia, this world would be entirely different by now.

    I’ve listened to many of Putin’s speeches [and know things do get lost in translation], but over all these years he’s come across as a very coherent man, who’s capable of addressing audiences for hours on end. Here’s a clip of what happens when a teleprompter goes down [in the USA] – Link to Youtube

  68. @WickerMan

    Of course I know about nuclear weapons. I just find all this talk about alpha-male & who’s out-acted whom simply absurd. In most commenters’ eyes, whether left or right, it seems that being cocky means you’re stronk. Sorry, this is childish & cartoonish…

    • Replies: @Dillon Sweeny
  69. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Muslim Image-Makers, Made in Moscow | The New York Times

  70. Anonym says:
    @Mr. Anon

    On this post I give him props. Well researched AFAICT.

    The exception that proves the rule maybe.

  71. Anonym says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Why are is the Russian homicide rate so high? Is it ethnic Russians doing the killing or another group of ethnicities mainly? Retail murder or organized crime?

  72. With the exception of the period 1919 1933 the USA, that is, the ruling class, wanted to control the world.
    In this period the ideas of the ruling class, to be precise, were the same, but the people had enough of USA blood flowing for imperialism, neutrality laws came, the laws that FDR hated.

    If trying to control the world is crazy, I wonder.
    Rome also then wanted to control the then known world, that is, the accessible parts.
    The British empire controlled 40% of the world, also the then accessible parts.

    So when in fact one man blocks that the whole world is controlled, the ruling class assumes that after Russia had fallen China will fall too, I wonder if one can say they’re crazy.
    If they are, then mankind has been crazy forever.
    A historian calculated that on thirteen years of war in Europe on average there were three years of peace.

    If I’m right in my ideas on Trump, he’s unique in world history, the first time the ruler of an empire sees that the empire can no longer be held, and acts accordingly.
    Those who still think the USA can conquer those parts of the world the USA does not yet control, are, of course are near a nervous breakdown.
    Panick is not good for thoughtful solutions, if one of these days Trump dies unexpectedly, from whatever cause, it will not surprise me.
    What is interesting, to understate, what the reaction will be among those who elected Trump.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  73. El Dato says:
    @Corvinus

    So that “challenger” was Bernie’d, so who cares?

    “BUT MUH DEMOCRACY!”

    It’s not your country, get over it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  74. El Dato says:
    @WorkingClass

    Yeah, what happened to the Novichok story?

    Last I heard was that a person died 4 months after because she found a novichok dispenser somewhere, and the UK announced that after painstakingly combing through CCTV footage and russian passenger records “they knew who did it”.

  75. Trump derangement syndrome makes idiots (greater idiots) of the establishment. These morons can’t see that the alliance between Russia & China is THE greatest threat to US international ambitions. If appearances are correct Trump wishes to weaken that alliance – which is diplomacy 101. Trump has a multitude of faults, but his actions re Russia would possibly gain Bismarck’s approval.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  76. The last time I checked, birds still use their left and right wing to get anywhere…

    • Agree: nagra
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  77. Realist says:
    @romar

    The problem arose when he was answering questions, and he certainly shouldn’t have run his intel down as he did, but in all fairness they don’t deserve better.

    Then they got what they deserve.

  78. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Oops! And now it hangs atop the homepage, like a piñata.

    Have you tried emailing Mr. Derbyshire? Looks like he may be busy tweeting …. or reading the column aloud for those who enjoy that accent….

  79. Art Deco says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    He’s a stone-cold machiavellian with a half-dozen different things for which to answer. He’s also in a select set of authoritarian rulers who have worked to heal the country over which they presided, and promote its advancement. There have been a succession in the Far East (Park Chung Hee, Chiang Kai-shek after 1949, Lee Kuan Yew), a couple in Latin America (Augusto Pinochet, Alberto Fujimori), a couple in the Arab world (King Hussein, Habib Bourguiba). The political culture in Russia doesn’t sustain a competitive political order at this time. It might a generation from now, but not now. The Machine is the best you can do – so long as it’s following satisfactory policy (which, in an imperfect world, is seldom optimal policy).

  80. Realist says:
    @hunor

    This unfortunate spirit named Derbyshire is not under
    attack by the Deep State , but an integral part of ” them “.

    It would appear so.

  81. JL says:

    It seems this author can’t overcome his Cold Warrior past of supporting (((Soviet dissidents))) against the evils of Communism so he believes what he wants about Russia and its current state. As others have pointed out here, if he’s so wrong about Russia, he’s probably getting a lot else wrong as well. Perhaps Unz should become no country for old men, and leave the revolution to the younger vanguard who seem much more reality based.

  82. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Boy Derb, you sure stirred up a nest a vipers with this week’s RadioDerb. Not even sure why after reading all the frothing. All I relearned was that you have a Chinese wife, an odd obsession with some commenters. Incidentally, I find her attractive and am happy for you. Another great episode, my favorite in a plethora of pods.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    , @attilathehen
  83. I’ll say it once again. Even though John doesn’t want to hear it. The Left is still pro-Russia. The Stephen Cohens, Jill Steins and Matt Taibbi‘s of the world are all happy to see neo-con machinations behind the mainstream obsession with Russia. Mainstream Americans know that Putin‘s goal is to weaken the US, and rightfully distrust him, and people like Trump who suck up to him. The Trumpists and Derbyshire have moved so far right on Russia that they now sound like Noam Chomsky – abolish NATO, US troops out of Europe, Russia is just „defending its interests“, blah, blah, blah. Come on, Trump may not be a traitor, but he is a patsy and a dope, which is almost worse.

  84. @animalogic

    If Trump really is trying to prevent a Russia-China alliance then he is outsmarting every one. My sense is that you are simply projecting, and there is little evidence Trump is capable of thinking that strategically.

  85. Druid says:

    Derbyshire should be a has-been. I usually don’t read his crap, and regret having read this one!

  86. Art Deco says:
    @jilles dykstra

    If I’m right in my ideas on Trump, he’s unique in world history, the first time the ruler of an empire sees that the empire can no longer be held, and acts accordingly.

    There is no empire, and there never was. The United States is not some multicultural / multilingual hodgepodge like the Hapsburg monarchy, wasn’t constructed by assembling formerly sovereign territories like Wilhelmine Germany, and never had much in the way of a portfolio of overseas dependencies. Ca. 1922, Britain, France, Japan, and the Netherlands had a much more populous set of overseas territories than we did, and, relative to the population of the metropole, Germany and Belgium did as well. About 85% of the population in our overseas set was to be found in the Philippines, a territory held for < 50 years which was never intended to be held permanently.

    Academics have manufactured a vague, half-baked concept of 'informal empire' which has been peddled in popular settings. It never amounted to much between 1898 and 1935 – temporary occupation of three countries in the Caribbean basin (whose populations were 1.6 million, 2.1 million, and 0.9 million at that time), an expeditionary force in a fourth with 2,000 men, and odd treaties concluded with two countries in 1902/04 which were abrogated more than 80 years ago. The U.S. military was quite small at the time, accounting for < 1.5% of domestic product.

    These same types have referred to the post-war order as an 'empire'. The ratio of military spending to domestic product was at it's peak during the 2d World War, when for six years a third of our productive resources went to the war effort. The post-War peak was reached in 1953 during the Korean War. That ratio declined – with scant interruption – for the next 26 years (increasing for only a couple of years at the beginning of the VietNam War). It saw a modest increase for the succeeding six years, then declined for the succeeding 15 years. It increased for about 10 years then declined for the next eight. After 1993, it never exceeded the Cold War nadir reached in 1979. As we speak, that ratio is as low as it has been (bar one year) since 1940. As we speak, 87% of all American military manpower is billeted in the United States (since 1950, it's never been lower than 70%). Most of the remainder is to be found in Japan, Germany, and South Korea. This is not some special initiative of Trump's, but part of the country's long-term adjustment in overseas staffing and expenditure all informed by external circumstances.

  87. nagra says:

    “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our blessed bounty.”
    ~John Derbyshire

    pure nonsense, and USA arrogance
    and who can take this guy seriously

  88. Generation Gaps

    Gen Y however, are a total mess. They were born in the 90′s, a golden age of prosperity, and simply expected to be Gen X part 2. The 90′s was a decadent era but economically it was good time to be in your 20′s (I was born in 1974).

    Then Gen X’s parents voted for Bush, presumably because he said he’d stopped drinking and found religion, and in the year 2000 which we expected to be the beginning of a Utopia he flushed the US straight down the toilet. Everyone today will go on about what a black radical Obama was but most of our problems, like Afghanistan, started when that Bush was elected. His admin made the Clinton era seem halcyon.

    Gen Y live at home as adults, are hopeless addicted to pornography like a load of 14 year olds who found some old Hustler magazines in the park dustbin and cannot afford to attend college.

    Bizarrely, they don’t even have their own styles. Gen X started getting tattoos and Gen X now have 50. Gen X ushered in bisexual chic with Andrew Cunanan and Gen X heroin chic waifs like Jolie, and now Gen Y women put on open bisexual displays in the street that look like bad imitations of porn films they’ve watched (Which goes back to how porn seems to have really dictated their lives).

    That leaves Gen X-I was 27 during 9-11. We are the most cynical. We were born during the unlovely 70′s and were kids during the Cold War.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  89. RVBlake says:

    Occupied Crimea and attacked Skripal? Hmmm. And intervened energetically in Syria? Pot, kettle?

  90. El Dato says:

    Based commentary by Michael McCaffrey for RT:

    Captain America savages Trump in battle of the useful idiots

    He just left out Mr. Schwarzenegger’s tweets.

    People playing tough guys doing shouty politics by short message, thinking they are what they pretend to be on stage. It’s pretty liberal out there.

  91. @Miro23

    I would add number 7: dismantle the monopoly on American media and internet.

    You’re not going to have a functioning democracy when one small ethnic group controls a country’s media.

    And expect the inevitable. A year ago legislators introduced a bill in Sweden to restrict media ownership to no more than 5% by any person, family, company or ethnic group. The Jews wasted no time screaming anti-semitism.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Jeff Stryker
  92. El Dato says:
    @Daniel Rich

    You forget about the Chinese and 30 million dead.

    Whithout them, the US would have had another 400’000 japs or so up the ass like angry hornets, that would have been dicey.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  93. nagra says:

    I see Mr. Derbyshire like fish out of water

  94. @John Derbyshire

    “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military”

    Sorry, you dropped the ball with that line of ….. If you don’t like Reality don’t make friends with it; but face it and respect it you must to function as a coherent, reasonable and functional man. There is no shortage of outright crazies and hysterical people on the so-called progressive side. Don’t try to match their intensity of craziness. Crash courses in logic, critical reasoning, inductive and deductive reasoning are always a good idea. Alas, courses in common sense are not on offer, at least not in the US.

  95. Miro23 says:
    @JohnRedburn

    And expect the inevitable. A year ago legislators introduced a bill in Sweden to restrict media ownership to no more than 5% by any person, family, company or ethnic group. The Jews wasted no time screaming anti-semitism.

    I can understand person, family and company but ethnic group? Do you mean minority ethnic group – or are ethnic Swedes not allowed to own more than 5% of their own media?

  96. @Andy

    Having read Derbyshire before, I thought he was writing satire. My opinion of him has just gone way down.

  97. @JohnRedburn

    I’m old enough to remember the power of the mass media previous to the internet and the MSM is a joke compared to even 20 years ago when 4 networks controlled the airwaves and 5 people owned publishing company.

    For example, porn, which was once a huge earner for Jews, is gone as a profession. Its been democratized. Al Goldstein died homeless.

    As an example.

  98. geokat62 says:
    @David JW

    Derbyshire is a phony.

    Yes, indeed, he is. But there is a logical explanation for this. As he readily admits, he is prepared to sell his soul for 30 shekels so as to ascend to a “slightly less minor [celebrity] status”:

    I have somewhere formulated Derbyshire’s Law, which asserts that: “ANYTHING WHATSOEVER said by a Gentile about Jews will be perceived as antisemitic by someone, somewhere.”…

    Yes, indeed I was, and am, “afraid of offending Jews.” Of course I am! For a person like myself, a Gentile who is a very minor name in American opinion journalism, desirous of ascending to some slightly less minor status, ticking off Jews is a very, very bad career strategy.

    http://jewcy.com/post/wrestling_with_derbyshires_law

  99. @hunor

    He is married to a chink and didn’t pass down his “good” British genes after all.

  100. The man who led the killing of the Romanovs. Yakov Yurovsky.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Yurovsky#Early_life

  101. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Then Gen X’s parents voted for Bush, presumably because he said he’d stopped drinking and found religion,

    No, for the same complex of reasons people vote for Republican candidates in any given year. That aside, you had six presidential candidates which had managed to establish a constituency of sorts that year. Three had never held any kind of executive position (bar supervising a staff whose job was to serve them), one had been in a chain of command but had never had many people working under him, and one had had a brief run of years supervising some bureaux in the State Department. George W. Bush was the candidate who’d had some preparation for the office.

    and in the year 2000 which we expected to be the beginning of a Utopia

    No clue what kind of liquor-and-drug-addled haze persuaded you of that.

    he flushed the US straight down the toilet.

    MBITRW, you cannot identify one Bush policy that distorted or disfigured an aspect daily life in the United States. He was antagonistic to immigration enforcement, but that’s been a problem for decades.

    Everyone today will go on about what a black radical Obama was but most of our problems, like Afghanistan, started when that Bush was elected. His admin made the Clinton era seem halcyon.

    To Democrats who want goodies and to alt-right types who have their own shticks and disorders.

    Gen Y live at home as adults, are hopeless addicted to pornography like a load of 14 year olds who found some old Hustler magazines in the park dustbin and cannot afford to attend college.

    No clue who ‘Gen Y’ is supposed to be. If you’re referring to people born after 1981, about 1/3 live with their parents. Changes in relative housing costs, more enrollment in tertiary schooling, and greater parental laxity about peri-adult sexual activity (already manifest 25 years ago) account for that.

    Bizarrely, they don’t even have their own styles. Gen X started getting tattoos and Gen X now have 50. Gen X ushered in bisexual chic with Andrew Cunanan and Gen X heroin chic waifs like Jolie, and now Gen Y women put on open bisexual displays in the street that look like bad imitations of porn films they’ve watched (Which goes back to how porn seems to have really dictated their lives).

    Bizarrely, you think the statement ‘they don’t even have their own styles’ is something other than nonsensical and that Andrew Cunanan would ever be identified with bisexuality and that Andrew Cunanan was of interest to anyone who wasn’t a consumer of true crime literature.

    That leaves Gen X-I was 27 during 9-11. We are the most cynical. We were born during the unlovely 70′s and were kids during the Cold War.

    You’re confused and kind of stuck on yourself.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  102. JMcG says:
    @blahbahblah

    The Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Warfare just issued a report last week stating that there is no evidence that chemical weapons were used in Syria. Another false flag. I really don’t believe a word I read in the press any longer. I can’t believe that anyone does.
    The left means to take and hold power and that’s it.
    That idiot Andrew McCarthy from NR has just expressed astonishment that he could have been so naive as to believe in the integrity of the FISA warrant process. What a load of codswallop.

  103. JMcG says:
    @Corvinus

    I think you have it mixed up with our last election.

  104. “Putin is evil but, but, but, but and but”. Mr D goes to great lengths to pose as a critic of Putin but in fact simply repeats the standard pro-Putin propaganda lines. As for Trump, the only thing he can do now is inflict a defeat on Putin so unequivocal that even Putin’s American supporters cannot hype it into a victory.

  105. last year the BBC had a bunch of nostalgic puff pieces on the 1917 Revolution, this year all the press is silent about the murder of the Romanovs…

    The brutal murder of that family was a grisly foreshadow of what was essentially a government ran by a foreigners was to do to the Russian (and Ukrainian) people.

    … and perhaps its a grisly foreshadow of what the globalists want to do to badwhites.

    …also remember that ‘revolution’ was sponsored by many wall street firms, who made a ton of money liquidating the nobility’s assets…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  106. @attilathehen

    Please. This sort of ad hominem ranting is out of place amid many thoughtful comments at Unz.com. Claiming Derb’s views are just an outgrowth of his personal life is at best guesswork on your part. And how the hell do you know anything about his health? I read almost all Derb’s columns and can’t recall him mentioning it.

    That said, and acknowledging that Derb is a good stylist and generally on “our” side, I was a little shocked at his outdated and one-sided picture of Russia. He does sound like he just rummaged around in his mind’s basement and came up with a few moldy platitudes.

  107. Stick says:

    John, I would suggest another reason for the Left’s recent hysteria directed at Russia is because the Left has been subverted by Chinese Money. Russia doesn’t fill their coffers like the ChiComs do. Russia’s economy is stillborn while China’s is booming and feasting on America’s assets and market. Both Bush Inc. and Clinton Inc. agreed to the NWO Wankerism which made each family a potential dynasty. All that is gone but the ChiCom money is still flowing. Stop that and the Left might discover what country they live in.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  108. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    For example, porn, which was once a huge earner for Jews,

    Like Hugh Hefner, Bob Guccione, and Larry Flynt.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @utu
  109. Z-man says:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    That is a Neocon exaggeration. The birth rate among ‘white Russians’ I believe has gone up. The military has actually modernized considerably over the last 18 years. Illegitimate? One can debate the ‘democracy’ of the West vs. Russia for hours.

  110. @PiltdownMan

    illegitimate leader

    Opinion noted, but not for the Derb or any foreigner to decide.

    corrupt

    Correct.

    dysfunctional

    Approximately half-correct. Lots of things in Russia is already more functional than in the West. Lots of counterexamples, too. However, the general trend in Russia is upwards, whereas it is downwards in the West generally, and the US specifically.

    economic nonentity

    Mostly incorrect (at least on the metrics that matter more).

    geographically overstretched

    It’s curious that this trope keeps popping up, but rarely does it actually get defined.

    Indeed, it would be hard to credibly do so, in the age of the Internet and cheap commercial air travel.

    rusting military

    The Russian military is, of course, weaker than the US military at the global level, and most likely no longer superior to the Chinese military, either. However, it does have theater dominance over the Ukraine and the Baltics, which matters more. For everything else there are nuclear weapons.

    “Rusting” implies degrading. This is most certainly not the case since about the early 2000s.

    population increasingly composed of aging drunks

    Half correct. The Russian population is indeed ageing, as is almost all the rest of the world. Mortality from alcohol abuse (and all other types of mortality) is falling since the mid-2000s.

  111. @Andrei Martyanov

    … profoundly conservative society with a huge emphasis on family values…

    Conservative/family values such as pervasive drunkenness, endemic absenteeism and stealing in the workplace, abortions as the primary means of family planning, very high divorce rates, etc. Which all erupted in an orgy of looting as soon as the screws were untightened and the USSR collapsed.

  112. Respect says:

    Ohhhhh Derbyshire , you smell to MI6 , you smell to old rancid english sausage . It is not worth reading your graphorrea . Your propaganda is too coarse , too boring , too decadent .

  113. @Art Deco

    When I was 25 it was normal for young men to WORK & LIVE abroad. You moved out at 18 or 19, and mostly went through a few years of sharing apartments with bachelor pigs and then you were living alone by 25. Tops.

    Now Gen Y are living in the SAME BEDROOM THEY WERE BORN IN. You have guys only 7 years young than I am who have never even moved across the street (There’s a sharp generation gap between people born in the 70′s and those born after 81).

    How can a guy bring some woman home to his bedroom to screw with his Mom in the next room? It seems horrendous and weird to Gen X. No wonder Gen Y is so wrapped up in pornography. There is nowhere to screw!

    Overall all though, it just seems as if the gap between people of the Alanis Morisette era and the Britney Spears era is vast. I cannot even relate to them.

    But that’s just me, a total Gen X’er.

    • Replies: @Dillon Sweeny
    , @Art Deco
  114. @Art Deco

    FALLACY OF PORN INVENTED TO DESTROY THE GOY CONSPIRACY

    Good point, the Swedish-American and the Italian and Irish-American managed to weather the internet storm.

    For that matter, Hefner made porn acceptable.

    Goldstein and lesser Jewish porn titans went the way of the VHS stroke tape.

    The most powerful men in porn were always Gentiles.

  115. Louie says:
    @animalogic

    ‘… a sharp intelligence married to the capacity for utter nonsense. His views on Russia are simply embarrassing’. (animalogic)

    A mix of truth and, in this particular case, outright lies… Isn’t that the definition of dis-information? What is this so-called ‘author’ doing at the Unz Review, waisting everyone’s time?

  116. @Anatoly Karlin

    RUSSIA vs THE WEST

    Alcoholism-the US has had one drug epidemic after another wipe out the blacks or white proles. A guy sitting around drinking vodka in his grim apartment is not the civil disruption of the “crack wars” of the 1980′s (Which prompted the long sentencing by Clinton) or white meth heads. You had to be in Arizona and be a working middle class white to see tweakers. Oxy is the drug of choice now, from what I hear.

    ABORTIONS

    Well welfare in Russia is not that generous.

    HIGH DIVORCE RATES

    Russian women could travel. Have fun. Time to go to Dubai and let Arab playboys pay $2000 to shit in your mouth or watch you perform oral sex on a camel. As a male of 35 or 40, nobody is going to pay for your body.

    ORGY OF LOOTING

    Communism and socialism produce a massive underground economy and those that thrived in it will do well in a suddenly free market. They have the contacts, the goods, the capitol.

  117. Surprised to see such embarrassing ignorance about Russia from John Derbyshire.

    Boomerism rotting his mind perhaps?

  118. Were Derb’s remarks about Putin being illegitimate sarcasm? I hope so. I don’t know how a smart, well-informed person like him could come to a conclusion. Putin may be an autocrat, but his regime saved Russia from the gang rape of the corporate West. That’s why the Russian people love him.

  119. @Jeff Stryker

    Re democratic porn:
    When I hear the name Stryker I think only of one thing. Great choice if it’s an alias. My sympathies if it’s official. :-)

  120. @Bardon Kaldian

    it seems that being cocky means you’re stronk.

    What the hell does “stronk” mean?

    Did you mean “Strzok”? That would make more sense.

  121. Jon0815 says:
    @FKA Max

    That stratfor chart is outdated and already proven wrong: It projects a total Russian population of 137 million in 2020, but in 2018 Russia’s population is 146 million (144 without Crimea), and it has been basically stable for years.

    It’s true that the Muslim share of Russia’s population is rising, but it is doing so very slowly, because the fertility of Russia’s Muslims isn’t high (below replacement in every majority-Muslim region except Chechnya). It’s currently something 1.9 children per woman for Muslims, vs. 1.6 for ethnic Russians, and will likely equalize long before Muslims are anywhere near a majority.

    Muslims and the Chinese are taking over the south and east of Russia through high birth rates and (illegal) immigration.

    The trope that Chinese are taking over Russia’s east is complete nonsense. Chinese have little economic incentive to migrate north to Siberia, rather than south to the wealthy regions of their own country.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  122. @Jeff Stryker

    Overall all though, it just seems as if the gap between people of the Alanis Morisette era and the Britney Spears era is vast. I cannot even relate to them.

    Gee, thanks, Jeff. The level of discourse on social change, social movement, shifting of mores and values, etc. had really taken a dive. Good of you to restore our sense of Britney Spears.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  123. Hunsdon says:
    @Anon

    I agree with you on Mrs. Derb.

  124. @Tulip Bulb Millionaire

    Please. This sort of ad hominem ranting is out of place amid many thoughtful comments at Unz.com.

    Er, Tulip, attilathehen is a post-menopausal, semi-psychotic, shrieking harridan. No one on Unz pays any attention to her torrents of spastic, Tourettish gutturals.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  125. @Fidelios Automata

    When I hear the name Stryker I think only of one thing.

    Cigarette lighters?

  126. @Fidelios Automata

    …Yeah…Dey like dat big avatar up their ass…don’t dey?

    Stryker was of Armenian descent, if I remember correctly. At any rate, the days when some short guy with a comically big dong who looked like an Elvis impersonator in a Vegas lounge could have such an enormous impact on pop culture are gone.

    He himself has said he saved a few people from dying of AIDS by watching his videos instead, and I personally believe him.

    But you see my point, porn power ain’t what it used to be.

  127. denk says:
    @David JW

    First of all, the deep state in the US is controlled by a certain ethnic minority. They’re not all patriotic Americans by any means

    Ah, the Jews.

    Of course, in a clash with China, which side would Derbyshire be on? ‘Nuff said.

    Presumably you, A patriotic murkkan would root for USA ?

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Jeff Stryker
  128. @Fidelios Automata

    FIDEL

    There was time when porn was taken so seriously pre-internet that some short Armenian guy from Illinois who looked like the Elvis impersonator in the lowest lounge bar in Vegas could make $300,000 a year and be taken seriously by the mainstream.

    Now his dialogue is kind of funny…But that was a confluence of the power of the MSM (Even porn) back then and capitalism.

    My point is that the MSM is going the way of the porn industry. It just does not have the broad reach over the mass that it once did.

    Clinton would never have laughed at the MSM like Trump.

  129. Beckow says:
    @PiltdownMan

    …what the purpose of this somewhat jingoistic prefatory note is, or whom it is intended to placate

    It is a ritual, so the purpose is to convey loyalty. It doesn’t placate anyone. What it unfortunately does is to undermine all else Derbyshire says. If he is this uninformed, or conformist, about basic facts, how can one take what he says seriously?

  130. Corvinus says:
    @El Dato

    “So that “challenger” was Bernie’d, so who cares?”

    I would say those who supported the anti-Putin candidate, as well as individuals and groups within Russia who support representative democracy.

    “BUT MUH DEMOCRACY!”

    Which is extremely important to people. Why not yourself?

    “It’s not your country, get over it.”

    Why are you mad, bro?

  131. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:

    What will happen to Assange?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  132. @Anatoly Karlin

    Conservative/family values such as pervasive drunkenness, endemic absenteeism and stealing in the workplace, abortions as the primary means of family planning, very high divorce rates, etc. Which all erupted in an orgy of looting as soon as the screws were untightened and the USSR collapsed.

    Karlin, as I stated not for once–get into decent school and get educated. And by educated I don’t mean the worthless piece of paper you, I assume, have from whatever madras you graduated. Something, anything, to give you at least basic tools to avoid offering your amateurish opinions on the host of issues you have no clue about. Unlike you, who qualifies as a classic office plankton, I was there, during the collapse of the Soviet Union as a grown up man–it is just that I am not even interested in comparing notes with you. You have none. I suggested you not for once–try applying for jobs in Stated Department, MI-6 or maybe some Soros fund–you fit job requirements perfectly.

  133. @Tulip Bulb Millionaire

    I state facts. Derbyshire has written that Asians are smarter than whites. https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/of-course-harvard-discriminates-against-asians/

    Derbyshire has chosen the China side. His problems have been compounded by his Chinese offspring. My gut feeling is that one or both are involved with non-whites. This is fine since they are Chinese. However, he is trying to get us to accept his and offspring’s degeneracy as being somehow Western. No.

    Is there Asian poontang in your life? If yes, this is why you cannot see and understand.

  134. @FKA Max

    Russia’s Muslims, however, are bucking that trend. The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow is six children per woman, Mr. Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. At the same time, hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work.

    The hilarious thing is that this claim (which is flat on its face absurd to anyone with any inkling about demographics) originated in an unsourced forum comment on Stormfront Russia.

    It was faithfully hovered up by literal CIA employee Paul Goble and consequently repeated and cited across other Western media outlets.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/paul-goble-propagandist/

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  135. @Dillon Sweeny

    My theory is that the reason young people show up and clash at these protests is simply for lack of anything better to do. They’re underemployed and live at home at 25 so what else to do but protest such vague things as Carl the Cuck. I mean it is not like they have anywhere to go in the middle of the day like 25 year olds back 1998 did, like a career.

    Back in 1998, you could not get 25 year old people to protest over Milo at a college. They had jobs to go to, houses to pay for, a life to live.

    But these days, Gen Y cannot do anything. They live at home, they have no career, they have nothing to do or work for. So Soros and others like him can rally them.

    • Agree: Dillon Sweeny
    • Replies: @Dillon Sweeny
  136. @Anon

    Once again you prove my point that most commentators are gentile men involved with Asian women, trad RCCers who accept black/Asians priests-popes and insane anti-Semites.

    Derbyshire’s Chinese woman voted for Obummer, along with her Chinese daughter. Derbyshire has imported Democratic voters to the USA. Just what we need. It is apparent that his Chinese women are looking at other kinds of males, i.e., not Western.

    I wonder if he and his Chinese son serenade their Chinese woman with the song “I want a girl just like the girl that married dear old dad?” Do they sing it in English or whatever Chinese language the woman speaks?

    How fascinating that you find degeneracy so attractive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. denk says:
    @denk

    Since any clash with China would be started/provoked by murkka,
    that makes you a ‘my country right or wrong‘ WTS.

    So there’s no point blaming the Jews for all the wars, you and your ilks are the problem.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  138. @denk

    DENK

    Since half of America’s factories are in China thanks to your generous wages, do you think that this 1% would allow their factories destroyed?

    Which American kid, having grown up seeing the US bankrupted by Iraq, would volunteer to die on the Northeast China front in guerrilla war with tough Northeastern peasants?

    What would such a war be over? Trade agreements? You cannot launch a missile against them.

    What natural resources make China an attractive? One billion people?

    • Replies: @denk
  139. Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    I agree, but you’re going to get a lot of hate from commenters who think Russians are white Europeans (hahaha) and that Putin is somehow the saviour of Tradition.

    • Replies: @hunor
  140. @Art Deco

    Niall Ferguson, ‘Colossus, The Rise and Fall of the American Empire’, London, 2004, 2005
    Robert Kagan, ‘Paradise and Power, America and Europe in the New World Order’, London, 2004, with afterword to the 2003 edition.
    Yanis Varoufakis, ‘The Global Minotaur, America, Europe and the Future of the Global Economy’, London, New York, 2013
    John Charmley, ‘Der Untergang des Britischen Empires, Roosevelt – Churchill und Amerikas Weg zur Weltmacht’, Graz 2005
    David L. Hoggan, Meine Anmerkungen zu Deutschland, Der anglo-amerikanischen Kreuzzuggedanke im 20. Jahrhundert’, Tübingen 1990 (“My Thoughts on Germany: The Anglo-American Crusade Mentality in the 20th Century”, 1990)

  141. @Anon

    I fear Trump asked Putin to sell him out.
    A small sacrifice to keep Deep State quiet, as giving Jerusalem away.
    ‘That is politics’, said Hollings, about Bush promising AIPAC the Iraq war, if he got the jewish votes.
    Sartre’s Mains Sales.

  142. denk says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Why dont you ask all those WTS in this thread who want a war with China cuz the chinks are their enemy.

    careful there or else back to the bozo file for you,

  143. @denk

    DENK

    Americans unlike Chinese citizens would not be easily brainwashed and it would be hard to make American citizens believe that considering the Iraq war half-bankrupted the country and after 20 years the US cannot control a medieval fiefdom of shepherds like Afghanistan that invading China would be feasible.

    Loving apple pie and your constitutional rights only goes so far-telling Americans that their sons must endlessly die for a country posing no direct military threat to the United States is a tough sell.

    There is also the fact that Korea and Russia would probably side with China, which American Generals are aware of. Iraq and Afghanistan were penniless “rogue states” with no money…and the war in Afghanistan lasted nearly 20 years.

    • Replies: @denk
  144. @Andrei Martyanov

    From his website,

    I’m about 65% Russian, 25% Lak (Dagestani), and 10% other (mostly Italian, Jewish).I have a degree in Political Economy from U.C. Berkeley.

    Reminds me of http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/06/high-v-low-m.html. That Political Economy degree from Berkeley surely is a signal for that. I like humanities. Problem is a lot of US humanities is garbage, and if you have only a humanities degree from a US school, smart, knowledgable people will assume you to be problematic.

    Maybe I come across as high V low M too, but I’m not, see https://gmachine1729.com/writings-by-category/pure-math/. Yes, I also consider many people in programming and software engineering to be high V low M. I’ve seen Google senior engineers who don’t even know what divergence or curl are.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @FB
  145. utu says:
    @Art Deco

    https://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

    Jewish activity in the porn industry divides into two (sometimes overlapping) groups: pornographers and performers. Though Jews make up only two per cent of the American population, they have been prominent in pornography. Many erotica dealers in the book trade between 1890 and 1940 were immigrant Jews of German origin. According to Jay A. Gertzman, author of Bookleggers and Smuthounds:The Trade in Erotica, 1920-1940 (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), ‘Jews were prominent in the distribution of gallantiana [fiction on erotic themes and books of dirty jokes and ballads], avant-garde sexually explicit novels, sex pulps, sexology, and flagitious materials’.

    In the postwar era, America’s most notorious pornographer was Reuben Sturman, the ‘Walt Disney of Porn’. According to the US Department of Justice, throughout the 1970s Sturman controlled most of the pornography circulating in the country. Born in 1924, Sturman grew up in Cleveland’s East Side. Initially, he sold comics and magazines, but when he realized sex magazines produced twenty times the revenue of comic books, he moved exclusively into porn, eventually producing his own titles and setting up retail stores. By the end of the 1960s, Sturman ranked at the top of adult magazine distributors and by the mid-70s he owned over 200 adult bookstores. Sturman also introduced updated versions of the traditional peepshow booth (typically a dark room with a small colour TV on which the viewer can view X-rated videos). It was said that Sturman did not simply control the adult-entertainment industry; he was the industry. Eventually he was convicted of tax evasion and other crimes and died, disgraced, in prison in 1997. His son, David, continued running the family business.

    The contemporary incarnation of Sturman is 43-year-old Jewish Clevelander Steven Hirsch, who has been described as ‘the Donald Trump of porno’. The link between the two is Steve’s father, Fred, who was a stockbroker-cum-lieutenant to Sturman. Today Hirsch runs the Vivid Entertainment Group, which has been called the Microsoft of the porn world, the top producer of ‘adult’ films in the US. His specialty was to import mainstream marketing techniques into the porn business. Indeed, Vivid parallels the Hollywood studio system of the 1930s and 1940s, particularly in its exclusive contracts to porn stars who are hired and moulded by Hirsch. Vivid was the subject of a behind-the-scenes reality TV show recently broadcast on Channel 4.

  146. FB says:

    ‘…Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our blessed bounty…’

    LOL…and here is ‘author’ Derbyshire working on his reality ‘issues’…

  147. denk says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Americans unlike Chinese citizens would not be easily brainwashed

    buahahaahahaha

    bozo

  148. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jon0815

    Thanks very much for your feedback.

    You are correct the Stratfor numbers are all over the place, but they were the best I could find.

    It is difficult to find definitive numbers on the actual Russian Muslim population. Here is another data point, which points to a quite significant increase in the Muslim population, from 2008:

    Meanwhile, identifying with religions other than Orthodox Christianity was more common among younger Russians (13% among those ages 16-29, 7% among those ages 30-49) than among older Russians (1% among those ages 50-69, 4% among those ages 70 and older). According to the ISSP data, Muslims account for 9% of Russians ages 16-29, 6% of Russians ages 30-49, 1% of those ages 50-69 and 3% of those ages 70 and older.

    Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/

    The Economist put the Russian Muslim population at about 24-25 million (I added all the populations in the below map together) in 2002:

    A Muslim power? It sounds bizarre. But Russia has more Muslims than any other European state (bar Turkey); and the Muslim share of the population is rising fast. The 2002 census found that Russia’s Muslims numbered 14.5m, 10% of its total of 145m. In 2005 the foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, put the number of Muslims at 20m. Ravil Gaynutdin, head of Russia’s Council of Muftis, talks of 23m, including Azeri and Central Asian migrants.


    Source: https://www.economist.com/europe/2007/04/04/a-benign-growth and https://www.quora.com/Do-Russians-know-much-about-Islam

    Russian Muslims might be less problematic than Middle-Eastern ones though, since they are probably less inbred, i.e. fewer cousin marriages, and thus likely more intelligent and less clannish, violent and fanatical, etc.

    But their higher intelligence could also be an advantage to them and a double-edged sword for the native Russian population if they ever wanted to take over the country, once their numbers have reached critical mass and they are close to a majority in Russia.

    Russia’s formerly richest man is Muslim, for example:

    Alisher Usmanov- $19.6 billion
    Vagit Alekperov- $12.3 billion
    Suleyman Kerimov- $7.1 billion
    Iskander Makhmudov- $6.5 billion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims_in_business#Russia

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  149. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Trey Gowdy is calling on the President and Americans to believe that russia interfered inour election and that they are our enemy. When did the war start? I missed it.
    He is wrong. He should not be encouraging peole to believe things when no evidence is produced, and when the showing of “interference”, or better, “attempted” interference made so far is preposterous.

    1) Russians campaigned for Trump on the internet AFTER the election was over
    2) Russians put in campaign ads for all candidates
    3) Russians hacked the DNC on the strength of the word of a partisan private organization who actually worked for the DNC and allegedly examined the computer, when the FBI who had every right to inspect the computer didn’t, and on the strength of the Russian government leaving the name of its first KGB agent in the metadata in Cyrillic letters.

    This is to say nothing about the blatant bias and bad faith by the organizations saying they interfered.

    That is the showing made to the American people of Russian interference, or better, “attempted” interference, and it is preposterous, stupid and wholly unworthy of belief.

    What is Gowdy asking the American people to do. He is asking them dumb-down to the level of retardation to believe this story. I’d just as soon go to Guantanamo Bay and have those goons break open my skull and leave me brain damaged. Only then would I perhaps believe it.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  150. @Jeff Stryker

    My theory is that the reason young people show up and clash at these protests is simply for lack of anything better to do.

    That’s probably most of it. I am inclined to agree that they are spoiled, lazy, improperly-educated, hopelessly miss-motivated, and are confronted with an unpromising future. It’s also tough to beat the conditioning to which they’ve been subjected since pre-school.

    No grand future to grasp, no duty to grind out under the “social responsibility” mandates of previous generations.

    No beckoning, enticing frontiers.

  151. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks for the info, Mr. Karlin!

    I just wrote another comment on the topic: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2428431

    What is your estimate of the true size of the Russian Muslim population?

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @g2k
  152. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    German Christians whose children are force-fed LGBT sex ed in schools and where home schooling is not permitted, and where parents will be arrested if they do not put their children in the schools, have sought asylum in Russia, and there have been more than a few of them, much as the media likes to ignore it.

    When the US no longer allows home-schooling, and forces their children into the schools, you will see the same thing happening in the US.

    Christian Americans will be seeking asylum in Russia

    That is going to happen.

  153. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    When Trump said he considers Russia a “competitor”, he was right. No truer words were ever spoken.

    But the only way to get Americans on board with the greedy plans of greedy people in and out of government is to demonize your “competitors.”

  154. g2k says:
    @FKA Max

    You need some context for that question. In Russia there are muslims, Muslims and MUSLIMS. Respectively:

  155. g2k says:

    You need some context for that question. In Russia there are muslims, Muslims and MUSLIMS. Respectively:

  156. @Anonymous

    Those people who still think Trey Gowdy is some sort of great conservative warrior are about as annoying as those who still do not realize that Steve Bannon is nothing but a bloviating, Deep State douchebag.

  157. WJ says:

    “Naughty things in Syria”??? Saving the non crazies in Syria from jihadi lunatics is naughty? I suppose if you an Israeli, Saudi or US Democrat. To others , Russia was a savior.

    This writer appears to be auditioning for a return to NRO.

  158. Derb,
    Would love it if you could address in a radio broadcast:
    (1) criticism here of your Russia views;
    (2) Unz’s recent article on Judaism.
    Thanks.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  159. JVC says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Haven’t read much of Derbyshire’s work, so I was expecting to see a “sarc tag” following the nonsense. By reading the comments thus far, apparently I was wrong, and the man is very misinformed, or just willing to repeat the tired lies the MSM and much of our government use when speaking of Putin/Russia.

  160. FB says:
    @FKA Max

    Are you retarded by choice or by birth…?

    The commenter debunked your silly spam from 2008 as outdated and proven wrong already in his comment…

    Yet you come back with even OLDER crapola from 2002…and post yet more spam…

    I have never seen such an abject idiot in my life…STOP SPAMMING ALREADY

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  161. @gmachine1729

    I’m about 65% Russian, 25% Lak (Dagestani), and 10% other (mostly Italian, Jewish).

    Russian 65% DNA doesn’t make one Russian, which is primarily the function of culture.

    That Political Economy degree from Berkeley surely is a signal for that. I like humanities. Problem is a lot of US humanities is garbage

    Most of them are. We can observe today the results of those “degrees” all over the place–cognitive dissonances follow and people become hysterical. In general, modern Western “economism” (not all of it) operates of the “profound” assumption that wind blows because trees are moving. Hence Wall Street, “GDP” and virtual economy with consequences of post-modernism and post-industrialism. Per political, so called, “science”–it is altogether a whole other story. In the West, most people who have some grasp on reality are people primarily from serious academia who dedicated life to a real science and history, and some from military and intelligence–the rest is a swamp.

    Maybe I come across as high V low M

    I have no idea what it is.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  162. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Why not here, where he’s been rebutted? I have no interest in hearing Mr. Derbyshire try to rationalize his ignorance on the radio. And I expect that’s true of many others who took the time to challenge his assertions.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  163. @Daniel Rich

    didn’t know an estimated 44,000,000 Russians perished during WWII.

    It is WW I+ Civil War and especially WW II, where almost 27 million people, most of them civilians perished.

    But, one day, the wider world will realize how close we’ve come to WWIII and if it hadn’t been for H.E. Mr. Putin and Russia, this world would be entirely different by now.

    Very true and me quoting you above about 44 million has everything to do with this world still not being annihilated.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  164. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Major correction:

    Oops,

    I read the map wrong/not carefully enough…

    I added the total populations together to get 24-25 million, but it is the Muslim population percentages that need to be added:

    So the Russian Muslim population according to The Economist map was about 10-11 million in 2002.

  165. General Dmitri Volkogonov told me during an interview in his office in Moscow in 1991, that the Russia of the USSR and the Russia of now, being controlled by the Army, and State (and sometimes party) as they were for so long and are now, was following the directive of Lenin who ordered the assassination of the Romanovs. Lenin specifically ordered that the Central State Special Archive preserve the order showing that the war was being conducted with “maximum brutality.”

    James Bacque
    Penetanguishene ON Canada
    reply via JamesBacque.com

  166. @Andrei Martyanov

    I am not interested in comparing notes with you either, just in clearing up the misconceptions that you post here for the benefit of other readers.

    Ergo for my comments to the Derb and FKA.

    • Replies: @FB
  167. tyrone says:

    Yes ,Putin is alpha and he’s not going to sit there and let U.S./U.K./french navies tie up in Crimea ,Syria ,that’s a long term Russian ally and the Skirpals……PLEASE!… 100% mi5 .Columns unalloyed with neocon bullish*t in the future ,thank you very much.

  168. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    According to the ISSP data, Muslims account for 9% of Russians ages 16-29, 6% of Russians ages 30-49, 1% of those ages 50-69 and 3% of those ages 70 and older.

    This is a highly interesting data point. There are more Muslims ages 70 and older in Russia than among those ages 50-69.

    What this indicates, in my opinion, is that Russian Muslims not only have more babies than ethnic/native Russians, but that they also live longer.

    This is likely due to not drinking alcohol, etc.

    So the Russian Muslim population is not only expanding through higher fertility rates, but also because of higher life expectancies.

    According to United Nations statistics, the fertility of Russia’s Muslims stands at 2.3, much higher than the overall national fertility rate of 1.7.[21]
    [...]
    Its Muslim population is expected to rise from 16.7 million in 2010 to 18.3 million in 2030. A comparatively robust growth among the Muslim population could be attributed to lifestyle choices like less or no alcoholism and higher rate of reproduction. While the growth rate for the Muslim population in Russia is projected to be 0.6 percent annually over the next two decades, the non-Muslim population is expected to shrink by an average of 0.6 percent annually over the same period.[22] Continuation of TFR differentials across ethnic groups implies long-run shifts in the ethnic composition of the population.

    https://www.orfonline.org/research/russias-demographic-trajectory-dimensions-and-implications/

    • Replies: @FB
  169. utu says:

    John Derbyshire turned out to be just a regular boring dime a dozen neocon. It is likely he decided to become a racist to become more interesting.

  170. @El Dato

    ‘We’ lost about 440,000 dead in both ToO [East and West].

    Russia lost 340,000 dead, storming Berlin alone.

    China lost 11,000,000.

    Clinical numbers do not represent individual losses, but when the world’s forced to face ’6,000,000′ nameless dead as the ultimate sacrifice, I wonder what the 55,000,000 [Chinese and Russian dead] represent…

    Okinawa was going to be a ‘walk in the park.

    When you face an enemy that’s not afraid to die, you’re f***ed.

  171. @Andrei Martyanov

    I’ve talked to a lot of combat Vets over the years [the guys who did the actual killing] and they all had one thing in common: not one of them wanted [a] war.

    I’ll take that as a lesson I’ve learned without actually killing an ‘enemy.’

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  172. chris says:
    @anonymous

    my sentiments precisely! (very well put)

  173. Art Deco says:
    @I, commenter

    …also remember that ‘revolution’ was sponsored by many wall street firms, who made a ton of money liquidating the nobility’s assets…

    Yeah, Red Shield and all that.

  174. FB says:
    @gmachine1729

    Thanks for that pointer about our resident idiot savant…Anatoly Eliot Karlin-Higgins…LOL

    The vocabulary versus math aptitude question is relevant only because today’s humans [especially in the west] have near zero math literacy…this means their understanding of our physical world can be no deeper than that of an eight year old…

    Karlin-Higgins is a perfect example…I have rarely come across such a ridiculous yahoo who insists upon writing about things which he cannot possibly begin to comprehend…the very definition of a total idiot…

    As for the V-M question…it is important to have both…if one carefully reads landmark scientific works such as Newton’s Principia [and many others from Euler to Heisenberg] it becomes crystal clear just how carefully and indeed beautifully words have been chosen to describe completely the discovery under discussion…

    But of course you need math first and foremost…if it is a choice between the two it is no contest…a man with no math is basically a child…

    Many scientists who are acknowledged to have made significant contributions were poor communicators…and thus were never credited with the discovery…an example is Frederick Lanchester who hinted at the circulation theory in fluid mechanics…but it was Nikolai Zhukovsky who fleshed out the idea and fully described the math…

    The worst thing is when a poltroon who is unable to even solve a triangle [like KarlinHiggins] deigns to hold forth on matters of science…

  175. Art Deco says:
    @Stick

    Russia’s economy is stillborn while China’s is booming and feasting on America’s assets and market.

    Russia’s per capita product exceeds China’s. It hasn’t been as economically dynamic as China (a 2-fold increase in per capita produce over 1998-2016, v. China’s 3.3-fold), but it has done quite well and has satisfactory macroeconomic indicators across the board. It’s export sector remains dominated by oil and minerals, there’s an excess of state ownership in the economy, and there are some quality of life issues (street crime). Room for improvement, but not doing badly.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Sean
  176. FB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ‘…Ergo for my comments to the Derb and FKA…’

    There you go…Karlin-Higgins has finally found his intellectual equal in the hopelessly retarded ‘FKA Max’…LOL

  177. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    When I was 25 it was normal for young men to WORK & LIVE abroad.

    Expatriation has never been anything but odd in this country.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  178. Our Ruling Class Is Crazy.

    A basic requirement for being in any ruling class clique has typically been insanity and always has been.

    It’s almost as defective to trust the 8astardz!

  179. I wrote about that nutcase General Hertling back in 2012 as he wasted billions of American taxpayer dollars to keep military bases open in Germany:

    “However, there is no need for Baumholder after its 170th brigade cases its colors this October. Baumholder (pictured) has old facilities and was scheduled to close by 2013. The Army now plans to spend a half billion dollars to rebuild Baumholder over the next few years, so many powerful businessmen were upset when the deactivation of the 170th brigade was announced last February. So was the Army’s top General in Europe, LtGen Mark Hertling, who quickly assured Baumholder’s mayor, who is an old friend, that he would keep the base open along with its $200 million in annual American taxpayer funded spending. ”

    http://www.g2mil.com/baumholder.htm

    And Hertling has now become a millionaire thanks to his “service” and a regular on the CIA front called CNN where he dissed Trump’s attempt to save the nation from bankruptcy by pulling out of yet another disaster called Syria.

    https://www.bustle.com/p/who-is-mark-hertling-the-general-retired-after-37-years-but-hes-new-to-heated-tweets-online-8741519

  180. FKA Max says: • Website

    So those Facebook ads posted by Russians in 2016 were just like Pearl Harbor, just like 9/11. It’s war, says General Hertling! Get those boats in the water! And Trump is Putin’s tool!

    I just put forth a hypothesis in the other comments thread which could also apply to General Hertling, in my opinion, since he appears to be Catholic:

    Hertling was born on September 29, 1953 in St. Louis, Missouri. He attended Christian Brothers College High School in Clayton, Missouri, graduating in 1971 – he is also a member of the CBC Alumni Hall of Fame, having been elected in 2010.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hertling#Early_life_and_education

    Christian Brothers College High School (CBC High School) is a Lasallian Catholic college preparatory school for young men in St. Louis, Missouri. It is located in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Louis and is owned and operated by the De La Salle Christian Brothers Midwest District.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Brothers_College_High_School

    Here my hypothesis:

    Most of these guys are Catholic; Brennan, Hayden, Panetta, Morell, etc.

    I just wanted to explain why, I believe, them being Catholic is relevant in this context.

    My guess is that most of these guys’ parents were likely supporters of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, since his biggest support base was among Catholic Democrats, so they probably grew up in a very anti-Soviet/Communist/Russian environment and households.

    I believe their obsession with alleged, large-scale Russian interference in the election and their McCarthy-like attitude and tactics might stem from and be a carryover from their upbringing.

    http://www.unz.com/imercer/doubting-the-intelligence-of-the-intelligence-community/#comment-2427738

    Joseph McCarthy on Democrats

    “This war in which we are now engaged is not–cannot–be a war between America’s two great political parties. As I have often said in the past, certainly the millions of loyal Americans who have long voted the Democrat ticket love America just as much and hate Communism just as much as the average Republican.” – McCarthy speech to the Irish Fellowship Club, 1954

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  181. Avery says:
    @Art Deco

    {Russia’s per capita product exceeds China’s.}

    Not by a whole lot (China=$8,800 vs Russia=$10,900 2017).
    Also, China’s huge GDP is divided by 1.38 billion people.
    I doubt anything more than 200-300 million of those ~1.4 billion are involved in contributing anything significant to China’ GDP. So their $12 trillion GDP is quite impressive.

    Russia should be doing much, much better.

    {It hasn’t been as economically dynamic as China}

    China’s economic ‘miracle’ is largely thanks to America, like South Korea before, and like Japan before SK.

    America opened up its rich, practically unlimited market to Chinese goods _and_ American companies were encouraged to setup shop in China (….like in South Korea).
    Chinese are smart people and they learned, and over time started creating their own.
    You go to Home Depot or Lowes today and there is hardly _anything_ manufactured in US: it’s all “Made in China”.

    Russia, on the other hand, is considered an enemy by US, so everything is done to thwart its economic progress. Russians are also at fault, but we cannot ignore the fact that China got a huge boost from the economically advanced West to get its (dynamic) economy going.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  182. FB says:
    @FKA Max

    Here is a perfect example of the garbage that retard ‘FKA Max’ [which stands for 'Fartmeister Known As Max'] is wallpapering on this discussion board…

    He gives us a link to some kind of ‘paper’ about Russian demographics written by some absolute nobody in INDIA…

    Here is the ‘author’…one ‘Himani Pant’…a ‘junior fellow’ at some Indian ‘think tank’ called ‘Observer Research Foundation’

    …not that anybody has ever heard of this outfit…but have a look at their list of financial donors…

    The Council on Foreign Relations…Foreign and Commonwealth Office UK…US Embassy…Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation…Chamber of Commerce USA…Netflix [!]…Council of Europe…and so on…

    This trollish idiot FKA Max puts up absolutely worthless garbage here…and to what purpose…?…it is to attack Russia nonstop…but he can’t find any credible material to support his distorted view of the world…so he finds garbage from India…LOL

    Here’s a serious question for you Fartmeister…how many kidneys can you buy in Calcutta for the amount of INR [Indian rupees] that this ‘think tank’ gets from its neocon sponsors…?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  183. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB

    Have a look at the map below.

    Russia et al. drink lots of pure alcohol while majority Muslim countries don’t or far less of it on average:

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-countries-that-drink-the-most-2014-5

    Pure alcohol consumption among persons (age 15+) in liters per capita per year, 2010

    Rank, Country, Total, Recorded consumption,, Unrecorded consumption, Beer (%), Wine(%), Spirits(%), Other(%), 2015 projection

    4, Russia, 15.1, 11.5 , 3.6, 37.6, 11.4, 51, 0, 14.5
    [...]
    146, Azerbaijan [95+% Muslim population], 2.3, 1.3, 1, 28.7, 7.6, 63.3, 0, 2.1

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

    This is an entirely sensible and correct explanation:

    A comparatively robust growth among the Muslim population could be attributed to lifestyle choices like less or no alcoholism…

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2428651

    Even one drink a day linked to lower life expectancy

    Compared to people who drink less than 100 grams of pure alcohol a week – roughly the equivalent of five to six glasses of wine or beer – those who consume 100 grams to 200 grams of alcohol weekly have an estimated life expectancy at age 40 that’s about six months shorter, the study found.

    Drinking even more was associated with a greater risk of premature death. When people drank 200 grams to 350 grams a week of alcohol they had up to about a two-year reduction in life expectancy at age 40 compared with those who drank less than 100 grams weekly. And people who drank more than 350 grams a week had up to a five-year reduction in life expectancy at age 40.

    “Drinking less was associated with a longer life,” said lead study author Angela Wood of the University of Cambridge in the UK.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-alcohol/even-one-drink-a-day-linked-to-lower-life-expectancy-idUSKBN1I42H6

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @FB
  184. @anonymous

    This column is a transcript of his radio show, and he usually addresses criticism of his shows in a following show. That’s all.

  185. hunor says:
    @Roderick Spode

    It is not hate to respond to your clear hate towards the Russians,

    many of you murikans still have this slaveholder mentality.

    You wouldn’t dare to offend a color person , because you would loose your job

    and social comfort. But it is an open season to hate the Russians , because it is being

    suggested by your “leaders ” , the media , the talk shows. So you replaced the direction

    of your hate from hating , and looking down on people of color to wickedly hate the Russians

    Changing the direction of racism , is still racism. As you hate you are!!!

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  186. @FKA Max

    The only 2 things I’m 100% sure about are:

    1) I was born.
    2) I will die.

    In between those 2 inevitabilities, I want to enjoy life to the fullest.

    On top of that, my Canadian, Ozzie and Kiwi buddies don’t give a f*** either.

    Za zda-ró-vye!

  187. @Andrei Martyanov

    Russian 65% DNA doesn’t make one Russian, which is primarily the function of culture.

    And what to you are the core elements of Russian culture that would make one Russian?

    High V low M means high verbal IQ but low math IQ. For an elaboration of what this means, see http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/06/high-v-low-m.html.

    What do you expect to become of America in the next couple decades? Despite its deep systemic flaws, I think America will at worst remain a major world player. The ruling class may be rotten but the top STEM people are still mostly top notch, not to mention all that it’s accumulated so far there. I see there are Russian social scientists who think America will disintegrate, now that’s taking it a bit too far. In terms of STEM innovation and value creation, even if the American Americans suck, there are already too many smart immigrant kids from China, India, Russia willing to do those jobs Americanized and there to stay, not to mention that the flow of smart immigrants to America we can expect to continue on more or less indefinitely. So America may not be as dominant as was before, but I don’t see anything that could possibly destroy it as a superpower, or at the very least, major power. The vast land and resources of America is there to stay, though more of it will become controlled by non-Anglos.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  188. Hibernian says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Did you study Guadalcanal, Midway, Tarawa, New Guinea, Leyte Gulf, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa?

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  189. @Avery

    Sounds like typical American-style narrative/propaganda to me. Modern China is so much more Soviet/Russian in influence than American. Few people in America are aware of this.

    • Replies: @Avery
  190. Hibernian says:
    @Daniel Rich

    A very inapt analogy. The Left is destructive at all times and in all places.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  191. FB says:
    @FKA Max

    And Russia manages to graduate TWICE as many engineers as the US…

    …with half the population of the US…that’s a rate of engineers FOUR times higher…

    That map of yours is from 2010 data…and if you look at the methodology used in that WHO ‘report’ you will find it was done by online survey…and provides no figures on how many individuals actually took part in the survey so we do not even know if it was statistically representative…

    The report here…methodology page 345…

    Polls before the election also said Hillary was going to win…so much for surveys…

    But you have never been to Russia Fartmeister…I have, many times, as well as throughout Europe…drinking in Russia at least among the intellectual class with which I am familiar is comparable to Europe…and even that map shows the overall difference is not much…

    Alcohol is not good, no argument there…but not nearly as bad as koolaid…

    PS…still waiting on an answer about the kindeys in Calcutta…

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  192. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    The dumbed down ‘chinks are our real enemy‘ murkkans are coming out of their wood works all over this thread,

    This is just the tip of an iceberg.
    Want more entertainment, go to ZH and many other ‘alternate media’ , never mind the MSM like Warsj.

    ‘The chinks are our real enemy, ‘

    They robbed our jobs

    They hacked into all our networks,

    They killed millions of their own people,

    They are threatening our rule based international order

    blah blah blah…

    [sic]

    Verboten official garbage.

    But JS says ‘murkkans are not so easily brainwashed like the Chinese’

    hehehheh

    JS Back to my ‘kill file’
    [Relax, that doesnt mean Im gonna kill him]

    Moral of the story…..

    Contrary to conventional wisdom,
    The problem isnt the Jews, not even the MIC,
    iTS the dumped down murkkans, especially those White Trash Supremacists who’r natural sinophobes.

    QED

    P.S.

    This anon266 reeks like an Indian troll tho.

  193. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco

    “The United States is not some multicultural / multilingual hodgepodge…”

    Para Espanol, marque el numero dos.

    “…wasn’t constructed by assembling formerly sovereign territories like Wilhelmine Germany,…”

    Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Texas, Hawaii, etc.

    “..and never had much in the way of a portfolio of overseas dependencies.”

    LOL

    Remember to count unofficial as well as official colonies.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  194. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Sometimes I think that too many Unz posters are reflexively anti-American, as if other countries are always right.

    I am not saying America is always right. But then again, is it always wrong?

    I don’t notice Americans moving to Russia.

    • Replies: @JL
  195. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco

    He’s almost certainly talking about military service.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Art Deco
  196. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Whiteness — white people and white-made institutions and economies — is a magnet for the entire world. Diversity is not the product of people seeking Diversity. Rather, it’s the accidental product of people around the world seeking whiteness.
    As Canada is a white nation made by whites, countless non-whites want to move there(or to the US or EU). If people love diversity, they should stay in their own nations because most nations already have lots of diversity. Every African nation is tribally diverse. India and Pakistan are very diverse, as are Indonesia and Iran. Latin America is more diverse than the US in the sense that whites are already a minority in most of them. So, why do these people move away from their own diversity to nations like Canada or the US that are still white-majority? Or to EU nations, the homeland of whites? It’s not because they are seeking Diversity. It’s because they are attracted to Whiteness: White-run institutions, white-created industries, white beauty or white people as sex-partners, etc.

    Diversity in the West is not the result of non-white Love of Diversity but of non-white attraction to Whiteness. If there were a nation filled with diversity — lots of blacks, yellows, browns, reds, and etc — but NO whites, most people would NOT want to go there. If most people were given a choice between moving to an all-white nation and Brazil(or India), they will go to an all-white nation. India is a very diverse nation but almost no white people. So, who’d want to move there on a permanent basis?

    So, why do all these non-whites attack whiteness even as they want to be where white people are? Because in order to gain access to white lands, they must lower white defenses with ‘white guilt’ about ‘racism’.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Anonymous
  197. Ragno says:

    “What is this anti-Russian hysteria all about?”

    It began as a distraction/covering fire drawing attention away from the actual content of the Hillary e-mails. When Trump foolishly gave Crooked Hillary a full walk on whatever illegalities she’d presided over, the Left – already incapable of shame or restraint – decided that they’re afraid! That Russia hail-Mary pass hit a nerve! Let’s keep attacking, 24/7, and never stop ….we’ll win the damn White House yet!

    So in a way this Russian-collusion idiocy we’ve been marinating in for two years now is Trump’s own fault, for buying into a fantasy of post-election, bipartisan courtliness. He should’ve followed his first instinct, and smashed flat the first roach he spotted the moment he spied it skittering along…..now they’re everywhere, and running wild the minute he shuts the light.

  198. denk says:

    jeeze….

    WTS [attilaC] etc etc

    uber trolls Art Deco, FKA MAX, …

    As Clinton would says….
    What a way to start the day.

    hehehhe

  199. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    There is no empire, and there never was.

    You are a stupid, ridiculous clown.

  200. Avery says:
    @gmachine1729

    {Sounds like typical American-style narrative/propaganda to me. }

    Obviously you either did not understand what I wrote, or anything you disagree with is ‘propaganda’ to you.

    {Modern China is so much more Soviet/Russian in influence than American.}

    Where in my post did I mention anything about American influence on China?
    Obviously you have difficulty distinguishing between access to markets (in US), cheap labor (in China) and influence.

    {Few people in America are aware of this}

    You are so aware it’s frightening.
    btw: Chinese influence themselves. They have a 5,000 year civilization.
    They use whatever they can to modernize and advance.
    In Soviet times they used Soviet ‘friendship’* to get and copy military and aerospace technology.
    Most of their modern military and aerospace tech is based on Soviet designs.
    Now they use unfettered access to American market to modernize their consumer production.

    ________
    * In 1969 the two ‘friends’ staged a 7-month border mini-war.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  201. Sean says:

    A great post, putting the proper perspective on the Russian assassinations and election interference. Relative to China, Russia is indeed as it was characterized. China is the dangerous one, and that makes Russia a nuisance not an enemy. Those who want to get rid of Trump want to sell out the West to China

  202. Sean says:
    @Art Deco

    Considering how many people live in China, it does not need per capita product to be very much for its power to assume terrifying proportions

  203. @Anon

    CANADA vs US

    Canada is to Asians a no-tell motel and the US is someone’s house where they are a guest and have to be somewhat respectful. The cultural pressure to assimilate does not exist in Canada, for some reason.

    I’m not sure why, but when foreigners immigrate to the United States there is some pressure to become American. In Canada, Indians or Chinese simply by up huge bits of the city and it becomes an Indian or Chinese colony of sorts.

    This could have something to do with the civility of white Canadians. I’m not sure. It is harder to immigrate to Alabama and remain totally without assimilation as it is in Toronto.

    There is not one aspect of Canadian culture that your average Asian cares about. He actually regards white Canadians with some contempt. He is not there to do anything but take a white Canadian’s job and congregate somewhere like East Vancouver.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  204. @Hibernian

    Military, civilian whatever.

    When I was 25, it was unusual for a 25 year old male to live at home. Extremely unusual. This was in the 1990′s.

    Only the real losers lived at home after 20 and did not join the military, or moved to another place to attend a state school, or simply got an apartment somewhere.

    In 1994 when I was 2o, it was unusual for 20 year old males to live at home.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  205. Clu says:

    Derbyshire, you need idiot tattooed on your forehead. Wake up and smell the roses you moron…

  206. “Anything but odd”

    That depends upon your qualifications and class.

    The 1% and wealthiest Americans all have second passports because possibly being in the know, they want the option of New Zealand or South of France.

    We don’t need to discuss Jews, about half of whom I knew served with IDF and wanted the option of being able to resettle in Israel if necessary. I knew some Jews in Greater Detroit who moved to Israel simply because of their economic predicament in Michigan-watch that old Michael Moore film ROGER & ME where Jewish Flint residents are interviewed. Personally, I’d rather an able-bodied Jew make his way to Israel than be on US welfare rolls.

    Most Hispanics I knew went back and forth over the border to Mexico. This was especially true of the ones I met in Phoenix but it was not unusual for Hispanics to play hopscotch from the US back and forth to their country of origin.

    So it is really the lower classes in the United States who tend to have not been overseas and for that matter, not really lived outside of the same city or region in their entire life.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  207. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB

    And Russia manages to graduate TWICE as many engineers as the US…

    What does that have to do with our debate about Russian Christian/secular vs. Russian Muslim life expectancy?

    And I never claimed other European nations/peoples don’t drink. This was a strictly Muslim-to-Kafir comparison.

    Still, I was surprised that according to this survey/data Russians (15.1) consume almost 30% more pure alcohol than Germans (11.8).

    I guess this is because Russians drink more Vodka/hard liquor/spirits (51%) and less beer (37.6%) and Germans drink more beer (53.6%) and less hard liquor/spirits (18.6%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

    Note that the methodology to convert alcoholic drinks to pure alcohol may differ across countries. Typically beer is weighted as 4–5%, wine as 11–16% and spirits as 40% of pure alcohol equivalent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita#2013_OECD_statistics

    • Replies: @FB
  208. FB says:
    @FKA Max

    And what does your nonstop crapola have to do with anything…?

    First you plaster some BS from Calcutta, the organ trafficking capital of the world…then when that is shown to be BS…you switch to alcohol consumption…

    WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRUMP PUTIN SUMMIT YOU COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD…?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  209. @hunor

    I’m not particularly American, and I dunno: if I started talking about Russians being Asiatic half-breeds at work I probably would lose my job.

    I don’t want war with Russia, and this Slavic/Atlantic alliance is acceptable, but only as long as it is remembered that we are different tribes, and that, should we succeed in our struggle, there will come a time when our interests diverge, or even clash.

  210. @Hibernian

    Who benefits the most from a left/right | right/left divide?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  211. @Hibernian

    Study would be too big a word, but I did make it to Okinawa.

  212. @Avery

    What you said more or less echoes the mainstream American narrative. Really, direct trade between America and China should have been the norm. Nobody expected the two to go to war immediately after the regime change, which prevented China’s trade with America for two decades. There is presented in the American narrative the idea that China after the PRC was founded voluntarily closed itself to the outside world. That is complete bullshit. The new regime, which sought cordial relations with the outside world, struggled to become accepted in the West, because it chose to go to war with America in North Korea, which it could not trust since America had supported their enemy in the civil war. Well, survival always has much higher priority. Had America not tried to take over North Korea, that certainly would not have happened. And really, in the counterfactual scenario, China would have been more in between the two superpowers instead of leaning entirely to one-side. As a consequence, modern China is much more Soviet in its roots than American. The legacy of those two decades of frozen relations is difficult if not impossible to escape. American elites and media need to accept the realities of it instead of evading, however unpleasant it may be, if they want to make any durable progress. Sure, they can maintain a confrontational posture pinning on winning eventually, but that strategy failed when China was relatively quite weak and vulnerable, and with the way things are going now, America would in the long run have much more to lose. I guess you could say that the current leaders are being faced with the consequences of various missteps of their predecessors, starting from those who decided to arm the losing side of Chiang Kai-shek to a point of no return, and the best they can do is some damage control. What I believe is at the root of it all is that American political elites are too ideological relative to pragmatic, as relates to the title of this article that I am commenting on. That is, nobody on the other side really takes seriously your self-professed “freedom and democracy.” Nobody on the other side thinks you have good intentions when you speak about “human rights.” Foreign policy deeply premised on ideological exceptionalism only works so long as one can maintain commensurate exceptionalism in terms of actual ability and power. Sensible people care much more about objective ability than about some vague and arguably disingenuous notion of “freedom and democracy.” I used to think that US elites do this mostly to con people, but now I suspect they may really be this delusional, which makes matters much more problematic. In the former case, they’ll change once it long stops working; in the latter case, they’ll hold on to such delusions till implosion point. Imagine how much more smoothly relations would go if the mindset were changed from “God made us to be the leaders of freedom and democracy, which we should spread around the world at all costs” to “we have great pride in ourselves and should try to control as much of the world as we can by getting others to like us and want to be on our side.” Sadly, I don’t expect such a change to a long-held, deeply engrained ideological exceptionalism barring a major loss and wake-up call that seriously threatens the international position of the US. In other words, the current US elites will have to really lose hard to change.

    More on this here: https://gmachine1729.com/2018/07/22/thoughts-on-american-anglo-exceptionalism-in-a-nazi-soviet-context/.

  213. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    To put it kindly, you are a colossal train wreck and have no business criticizing anyone’s choices, least of all a courageous and intelligent man on the order of John Derbyshire.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  214. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Canada is to Asians a no-tell motel and the US is someone’s house where they are a guest and have to be somewhat respectful. The cultural pressure to assimilate does not exist in Canada, for some reason.

    I’m not sure why, but when foreigners immigrate to the United States there is some pressure to become American.

    Wherever these mystical parts of the USA are, I wish you’d tell me quick–I’d like to move there. Asians are generally contemptuous–and contemptible–everywhere.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  215. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    So, why do all these non-whites attack whiteness even as they want to be where white people are?

    It’s just tribal warfare, which everyone on earth practices, with the sole and single exception of white people, for whom it is expressly forbidden. We were “cured” of the “affliction” by a particular “tribe” which got hold of the reins of power–in particular the mass media, from which all else followed. All the better to practice their own peculiar and pernicious brand of tribal warfare.

  216. JL says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t notice Americans moving to Russia.

    I take it, then, that you live in Russia and still don’t notice all of us Americans living here? Or do you just take Obama at his word when he says that nobody wants to live here (i.e., the second largest destination for immigration in the world after the US)?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  217. vinteuil says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think, on the whole, it speaks well for Art Deco that it’s not always easy to discern whose side he’s on.

  218. @JL

    EXPAT HERE

    If Southeast Asia was the cottage by the lake, Russia/Eastern Europe would be the Riviera.

    Some American men, myself included, spend loads of time overseas and just eventually come to find the United States grim, depressing, Orwellian, ridiculous, constricting, dangerous etc.

    Those of us with better qualifications or more money will move to Eastern Europe where women are hot and slightly more feminine, laws are lax, people are realistic about race and gays spreading pathogens through unhygienic sex acts, and your money goes further.

    American immigrants to Eastern Europe or Russia will be male about 90% of the time. Few American women want to go anywhere except Paris.

  219. @Daniel Rich

    I’ve talked to a lot of combat Vets over the years [the guys who did the actual killing] and they all had one thing in common: not one of them wanted [a] war.

    This is definitely true in most cases. Sadly, in particular US case–US so called “intellectual” class, responsible for formulation of policies, especially foreign policy, is stuffed with the good ol’ boys and girls whose most severe difficulty in life was finding the apartment around their “exclusive” universities.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  220. @gmachine1729

    What do you expect to become of America in the next couple decades? Despite its deep systemic flaws, I think America will at worst remain a major world player.

    Not only I agree, I also hope that US will remain a major player. Not only it is desirable but it is imperative for new global balance. I am already working on a second book precisely about this.

    I see there are Russian social scientists who think America will disintegrate, now that’s taking it a bit too far.

    There are some, for sure. Disintegration is possible, the issue, however, is how probable it is. For now, at least, the probability is relatively low but there is also no denial of the centrifugal forces in the US with Southwest being an Exhibit A of such forces.

    The vast land and resources of America is there to stay, though more of it will become controlled by non-Anglos.

    And that is when the US will stop being US as we knew or know it–no “Anglo” dominant culture in US, no US. It could be called something else.

  221. @Andrei Martyanov

    we used to call them chickenhawks

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  222. @Andrei Martyanov

    “MUH DICK”

    The Anglo-Americans, own such things as oil, mining, ranching, forestry, fishing and also control the logistics like trucking etc.

    If these things were to halt, Jews and Asians and all other minorities except some Hispanic farmers in Texas would probably starve.

    Blacks actually experience this right at the moment in places like Flint where the water went bad and they simply scratch their head and say…muh dick.

    So even if the Jews are an elite of sorts running things from the beltway, this is an abstraction.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  223. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian

    “The United States is not some multicultural / multilingual hodgepodge…” Para Espanol, marque el numero dos “…wasn’t constructed by assembling formerly sovereign territories like Wilhelmine Germany,…” Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Texas, Hawaii, etc. “..and never had much in the way of a portfolio of overseas dependencies.” LOLRemember to count unofficial as well as official colonies.

    1. Outside of Puerto Rico, the hispanophone population of the country was inconsequential as recently as 1970 and had to be primed into existence by public policy. We’re still not analogous to the Hapsburg dominions, which had six major language sets spoken by peasant populations in place for hundreds of years.

    2. Massachusetts and Rhode Island were never sovereign territories. They were British dependencies and then parts of the United States. Texas was formally sovereign for all of nine years and the non-aboriginal population predominantly composed of migrants from the rest of the United States. Hawaii in 1900 contained all of 0.2% of the population of the United States. It was at that time a society of migrants, with the aboriginal population making up about 1/4 of the total.

    3. There were no informal colonies, except in your imagination.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @Mr. Anon
  224. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian

    Uh huh.

    Roughly 13% of the male population born during the years running from 1939 to 1952 had military service abroad. Less than 1% of the female population did. If you’re speaking of those born during the years running from 1928 to 1938, it might have been a shade higher, perhaps 17%. Another modest set would have been billeted in the United States but at sea. Again, expatriation is odd.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  225. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    There are about 60,000 American-born Jews living in Israel. That’s how much sweat equity American Jews have been putting into that country.

    In the United States as we speak, you’d be hard put to find a single birth cohort among those born after 1935 in which more than 55% of the male population was ever on active duty. The mean for the post-1953 cohorts is roughly 12%. The notion that half the Jewish men in the United States have enlisted in the IDF at some point is a fantasy (1/3 of the IDF would at any one time have to be made up of American recruits were that true).

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  226. @Art Deco

    EXPATRIATION

    If look at males from the US who’ve been divorce raped, the figure goes way up. You meet lot’s of guys like this in Philippines.

    Ex-military often return overseas.

    Disability fraudsters are common in affordable countries like Philippines. From the amount of bar girls I knew them to use, nothing appeared wrong with their vertebrae.

    The “1%” spend winters in South France on their yacht and possess an NZ or Australia passport if the shit really hits the fan in the US. Think your Zuckenburgs and Gates would hang around?

    50% plus Hispanics spend years in their native country playing hopscotch with the Brownsville border.

    Mid-level millionaires of the “new money” sort often marry Eastern Europeans and do nefarious business there. Roosh of Return of Kings, for example.

    Some real white proles (Like me) who came into a BIT of money and came from somewhere like Detroit never had much patriotism or attachment to anything in the US anyhow. Why would I miss my birthplace? Thanksgiving? I go to the beach.

    I’ve met one or two black ghetto drug dealers who cashed out with a million dollars and a bunch of warrants and just moved to countries with no extradition treaties.

  227. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Only the real losers lived at home after 20 and did not join the military, or moved to another place to attend a state school, or simply got an apartment somewhere.

    Per the Census, there were 19 million people over the age of 18 living with their parents in the year 2000. There were 67 million people between their 18th and 35th birthday.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  228. @Art Deco

    GETTING OUT-

    I knew a black successful drug dealer in Amsterdam, from Chicago I think, with a billion warrants out on him. He was outside the Central Station and was feeding the pigeons. I saw his Bears hat and asked him why. He told me he’d dabbed the bread crumbs in cocaine and like to see them scatter around. I laughed. A few US criminals have warrants, bank the money abroad, and hit the road.

    The big contingent were the American and Europeans on disability in Southeast Asia. Goes a long way down there. Some were on the run from alimony.

    But overall most Americans overseas were either extremely rich or glorified drifters like me.

    I’ve met very few American women in Asia.

    I’ve met zero American black women and no Hispanic women overseas.

  229. @Anonymous

    Indians and Koreans are that bad?

  230. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    For the post-1952 cohorts (and I gather from your other remarks, that includes you), military service has been an occupational choice that perhaps 12% of each male cohort elected to follow at one time or another. Combat experience is almost entirely confined to the Army and Marine Corps. Pretty silly to be calling 94% of the male population ‘chickenhawks’ if they don’t subscribe to pacifist / red-haze or palaeo / alt-right blather.

  231. @Jeff Stryker

    The Anglo-Americans, own such things as oil, mining, ranching, forestry, fishing and also control the logistics like trucking etc.

    If these things were to halt, Jews and Asians and all other minorities except some Hispanic farmers in Texas would probably starve.

    Exaggerated somewhat but the vector of such thought is appropriate. In general, at least for now, these are predominantly white European heirs who run the country. There are some successes and there are disasters, foreign policy being the most prominent of them all, since is having a debilitating economic and mental effect. Forestalling the inevitable question of Jewish influence–yes, Jewish influence too in foreign policy but not only. In the end–how many waspies are completely in the Saudi and other Gulfies’ pockets one can only speculate. Very many. I said many times, I will repeat it again–a decline of US “elites” is precipitous. I, personally, knowing that the decline was in progress already by early 2000s didn’t expect it to become a complete implosion. It is down right scary.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  232. @Anonymous

    Are you a gentile gloid poontang lover?

  233. @Art Deco

    I think its changes in the economy.

    Having said that, living with bachelor pigs at age 24 used to be a disgusting experience.

  234. Hibernian says:
    @Daniel Rich

    The Establishment, famous for its divide and conquer tactics, is itself leftist at heart, if that’s what you’re getting at.

    Support for a decent safety net for poor and middle class people, and due care for the effect of national policy on vulnerable areas, is not leftist. It’s relatively leftist in comparison to wild eyed pure libertarianism.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  235. @Andrei Martyanov

    And that is when the US will stop being US as we knew or know it–no “Anglo” dominant culture in US, no US. It could be called something else.

    I believe culture will still be controlled by the Anglos, with much Jewish input of course. Like, I don’t expect the millennial generation of Asian-Americans to have much real power. There will be some extremely rich ones for sure, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to political power. There will be more non-whites in high positions mostly for show. People like Nikki Haley. And Chinese versions of her to come, yikes. My take has been that you usually have far less power than your official position as a distinct minority like it or not. Jews can blend in as white and have had an influential position in European society, culturally especially, for long enough that it’s the default. Indians also have it easier because per colonialism, they’re considered part of the Anglo sphere. On the other hand, I don’t expect Eastern Europeans (unless they’re Jewish) or Chinese to make it to the top, but there will be more of them in second-tier positions of power. Essentially I don’t expect relative power to change all that much in the US. Nonetheless, the diminished power of the Anglo sphere internationally will make Anglo culture and America (and also Jews/Israel) far less influential on the global scale.

  236. Travis says:

    The anti-russian hysteria is difficult to understand, I suppose it continues because both the neo-cons (GOP Never Trumpsters) and the democrats have joined forces to hammer Trump on this issue. So many Republicans are behind the Russian narrative, such as Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein to name a few.

    It demonstrates that Democrats and neo-cons are afraid to be critical of the Trump agenda , because his policies are actually popular, and thus they attempt to portray him as an illegitimate president beholden to Putin. But the typical American still does not believe Trump is an agent of Russia, because it is absurd. I suspect the anti-russia hysteria will end up helping Trump as normal people realize it was a political witch hunt, not based on any evidence.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  237. Art Deco says:
    @Travis

    So many Republicans are behind the Russian narrative, such as Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein to name a few.

    I’ve been asking people who make this claim to tell me where Robert Mueller is registered to vote. Crickets so far. Comey lived in Virginia, which doesn’t have party registration. Rosenstein actually is a registered Republican. He’s also spent over 90% of his law career on the payroll of the Department of Justice. Which tells you where his real loyalties lie.

  238. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB

    First you plaster some BS from Calcutta, the organ trafficking capital of the world…then when that is shown to be BS…you switch to alcohol consumption…

    You get things so wrong and twist things so massively it is truly incredible… and you project and distract like crazy, e.g. “And Russia manages to graduate TWICE as many engineers as the US…”

    I brought up Russian non-Muslim alcohol consumption before I quoted Himani Pant:

    [MORE]

    This is likely due to not drinking alcohol, etc.

    So the Russian Muslim population is not only expanding through higher fertility rates, but also because of higher life expectancies.

    [Quote starts here]

    According to United Nations statistics, the fertility of Russia’s Muslims stands at 2.3, much higher than the overall national fertility rate of 1.7.[21]
    [...]
    Its Muslim population is expected to rise from 16.7 million in 2010 to 18.3 million in 2030. A comparatively robust growth among the Muslim population could be attributed to lifestyle choices like less or no alcoholism and higher rate of reproduction.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2428651

    And yes, it is relevant to this article, since high Russian alcohol consumption was specifically mentioned by John Derbyshire, plus showing that the Muslim population is growing in Russia not just because of their higher fertility rate, but also because they live healthier, i.e. drink less alcohol, and thus live longer is relevant to the topics discussed in this piece, since it puts in doubt how “white” the Russian population really is and will be in the future.

    I also wonder where all those organs harvested/trafficked in underdeveloped countries which you brought up, and which has absolutely zilch to do with the discussion here, end up and by whom they are consumed/needed?

    Maybe in Russia and by rich Russian alcoholics for liver transplants?

    It appears they just harvest Russians’ organs without their knowledge/consent. It is probably easier and cheaper that way.

    All Russian citizens should know that they are all presumed organ donors. This raises some worrying questions. Will artificial presumed consent guarantee medical treatment until the last hope is lost? Or will it merely guarantee a constant supply of unrecorded organs to meet a constant demand on the black market?

    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russias-unknown-unwilling-organ-donors-41235

    ‘Gutted Like A Pig’: Grieving Mother Takes On Russia’s Organ Donation System

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-organ-harvesting-grieving-mother/27617168.html

    Prevalence of Liver Disease in Russia’s Largest City: A Population-based Study

    Conclusions: According to our study, more than one quarter of Moscow residents have abnormal liver tests that may indicate liver disease. NAFLD, ALD and hepatitis C were the main causes of abnormal tests. The primary risk factors for abnormal liver tests as determined by multivariable analysis were: young age (30-59 years, p<0.001), alcohol abuse (AUDIT score >16, p<0.04), and hypercholesterolemia (p=0.016). 80.3% of patients with abnormal liver tests required etiotropic treatment.

    http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajcmr/2/5/2/index.html

    Alcohol Consumption and Liver Cirrhosis Mortality in Russia

    Results: Alcohol consumption was significantly associated with both male and female liver cirrhosis mortality rates: a 1 liter increase in overall alcohol consumption would result in a 7.0% increase in the male liver cirrhosis mortality rate and in 6.2% increase in the female mortality rate. The results of the analysis suggest that 61.4% of all male liver cirrhosis deaths and 56.4% female deaths in Russia could be attributed to alcohol.

    https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/alcohol-consumption-and-liver-cirrhosis-mortality-in-russia-2329-6488.1000152.php?aid=24834

    Figure 1: Trends in male liver cirrhosis mortality rate and alcohol consumption per capita in Russia between 1970 and 2005.

    Figure 3: Trends in female liver cirrhosis mortality rate and alcohol consumption per capita in Russia between 1970 and 2005

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  239. @Hibernian

    I’m getting at the fact that a divide doesn’t benefit you or me [or mankind, in a wider perspective].

    The need to put the blame somewhere [left or right] becomes pure semantics when/once you know [realize] why this divide is kept so very much alive.

    Blood is red no matter where it flows [based upon what I've seen around the globe, with my very own eyes].

  240. lavoisier says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    I think your theory is way too complicated.

    I think what makes a Hertling is the same kind of thing that makes a McCain or a Graham. Venality and greed, as well as quite possibly a very modest IQ.

    Hertling does very well peddling lies and hysteria for the likes of CNN.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  241. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    I guess this is because Russians drink more Vodka/hard liquor/spirits (51%) and less beer (37.6%) and Germans drink more beer (53.6%) and less hard liquor/spirits (18.6%)

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2429120

    Another study confirms that Russian (men’s) drinking habits are particularly unhealthy due to the large amounts of Vodka/hard liquor/spirits they consume:

    The Effects of Beverage Specific Alcohol Sale on Liver Cirrhosis Mortality in Russia

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    It appears that the effect of alcohol on liver cirrhosis mortality rate was stronger in the northern European spirits countries characterized by a binge drinking pattern, than in the southern European wine countries with a high average consumption, which is more evenly distributed throughout the week.
    [...]
    In a survey of over 30.000 persons in Denmark, drinking beer or spirits was more likely to be associated with liver cirrhosis disease than drinking wine [11]. Longnecer and coauthors [12] demonstrated that consumption of large amount of distilled spirits was associated with higher risk of liver cirrhosis mortality among white immigrant of first-generation residents of Pennsylvania.
    [...]
    The outcome of the time-series analysis suggests a positive and statistically significant relationship between liver cirrhosis mortality rate and population drinking in Russia. Furthermore, the results of beverage-specific modeling indicated that spirits was the key beverage driving the association between per capita alcohol consumption and liver cirrhosis mortality rate. These results are consistent with the previous findings from other settings that spirits is the most significant beverage-specific predictor of liver cirrhosis mortality [17,18].
    [...]
    Beverage preference and harmful drinking pattern might be responsible for the gender difference in the association between liver cirrhosis mortality rate and vodka sale as vodka continue to be the drinking of choice for the majority of men in Russia, while women not only drink less often than men, but those who do drink, consume vodka less frequently than men. Indeed, according to population survey 44% of men and only 6% women reported that they drink an equivalent of 25 cl of vodka or more at one occasion [33]. According to a more recent study 28% of men and 4% of women consume at least 200g (86+ g of pure alcohol) on one occasion at least once every 2-3 weeks [34].

    https://www.peertechz.com/Addiction-Medicine-Therapeutic-Science/JAMTS-1-106.php

    Figure 1: Beverage-specific alcohol sale in Russia between 1970 and 2005.

  242. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I will repeat it again–a decline of US “elites” is precipitous. I, personally, knowing that the decline was in progress already by early 2000s didn’t expect it to become a complete implosion. It is down right scary.

    I agree with this opinion. The elites are in free fall and their degeneracy has become obvious.

    Do you have any ideas on what has caused this decline? Do you think it may have something to do with the unraveling of a previous meritocracy?

    I suspect that this may be the answer, as well as a general decline in morality broadly understood.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  243. @lavoisier

    Do you think it may have something to do with the unraveling of a previous meritocracy? I suspect that this may be the answer, as well as a general decline in morality broadly understood.

    I entirely agree with your point here. But, it was one of the major factors. The other one–no real pressures applied to those “elites”. How many of them experienced real difficulties in their lives (and I don’t mean John Boehner’s sappy sentimental recollections), how many of them held real jobs, how many of them served in military and subjected their lives to a real danger in service to their nation? Most of them are fat cats practicing faux-sciences and most of them having no serious life experiences which would make one overcome difficulties and real challenges thus producing, in case of elites, a statesman. Do you see anyone on the horizon today who could even remotely be called a statesman? I, with some very conditional exception of Trump, don’t see anyone. Most of them are cowards anyway. All of it is at best a mediocrity, at worst–lowlifes. It is a swamp.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  244. @Art Deco

    Rhode Island declared its independence from the British Empire on May 4, 1776 – two months prior to July 4, 1776.

    Rhode Island was the only state not to send a delegation to the illegal constitutional convention in 1787.

    Rhode Island was the last of the original 13 to ratify the constitution on May 29, 1790 – some 14 months after the federal government was up and running.

    Thus, the proposition that Rhode Island went straight from English fiefdom to being part of the United States is a proposition at odds with reality.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  245. robin says:

    What a bullshit !

  246. “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks…”

    All fine & dandy.
    All fair and balanced.

    bored identity is now waiting on Derb’s equally elaborate description of Xi’s Republic of Happy Han…

    …just to see how far he can drag that proverbial coffin in front of his in-laws, before his Manchurian Wifey chop suey his sorry confusian ass.

    Because, only séi gwáilóu is good séi gwáilóu.

  247. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FB

    drinking in Russia at least among the intellectual class with which I am familiar is comparable to Europe…and even that map shows the overall difference is not much…

    How countries spend their money

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    IT SEEMS a country’s spending reflects its national stereotypes, according to household expenditure data compiled by Eurostat: Russians splash 8% of their money on booze and cigarettes—far more than most rich countries—while fun-loving Australians spend a tenth of theirs on recreation, and bookish South Koreans splurge more than most on education. Some of the differences are accounted for by economics. Richer places like America and Australia, where household expenditure is around $30,000 per person, will tend to spend a smaller share of their costs on food than Mexico and Russia, where average spending is around $6,000. And politics plays a part too. Predominantly private health care in America eats up over a fifth of each household’s budget, whereas the European Union, where public health care is common, only spends 4% on it. In Russia, government-subsidised housing and heating make living cheaper, and this means money is left over for the finer things in life.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2015/09/14/how-countries-spend-their-money

  248. Art Deco says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I see a posing Anti-Federalist wishes to recite twee political controversies from 1790.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @Hibernian
  249. Could not get past the first few paragraphs, as this author was spewing out a steady stream of delusional trash. Apparently another Brit with a bug up his ass concerning Russia and its peoples.

    If this is any indication, this man’s output is to be avoided.

  250. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    3. There were no informal colonies, except in your imagination.

    What the f**k do you think central America was?

    Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Puerto Rico, Samoa, Cuba, the Phillipines, a hundred military bases around the globe. Sounds like an empire to me, you stupid ponce.

    Why does anybody take a prating ass like you seriously? You’re a bloviating clown.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Art Deco
  251. @Mr. Anon

    Being British you would not know that Philippines was the only colony that the United States ever had and only for 40 years.

    The US has bases in the UK, for that matter. Is Britain a US colony?

    Nicaragua was a Spanish colony prior to its independence. Like most US colonies.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  252. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Agreed.

    By and large they do appear very much as “hollow men.” Shadows. No substance.

  253. @Art Deco

    So, snark is in order when one’s assertions are rebutted with reality?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  254. LIBERTY

    Like most Brits, Art Deco somewhat overly imagines the scope and power of the United States-it is in fact a deteriorating Cold War Superpower whose economy has been overtaken by China and cannot maintain a strong Southern Border.

    It is unlikely that the US possess or could possess, the fiscal budget for colonies. Since none of them would yield the sort of value that Britain’s did.

    Art has never been to the United States beyond Disney World and cannot imagine the actual poverty and second-world conditions of cities in the Rustbelt or the South of the United States.

    A white prole expat, refugee nearly, of the US rust belt like myself smirks at the naivete of someone who has probably not particularly well-traveled.

    He imagines that Americans all live in huge mansions and have swimming pools in their backyards. He has not seen the poverty, even for whites, in cities like Detroit or Flint. He has not seen the Amerindians we call Hispanics rampaging through the US. He has not ridden a US bus with those ghetto inhabitants who possess vouchers.

    The real American prole knows that US hegemony is a joke. The Iraq War had such a cost that the US looked impoverished compared to the heydey of the Clinton era.

    Deco is a joke who believes Americans all ride around on horses with cowboy hats because of Westerns on SKY TV.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  255. @Adrian E.

    Yeah, funny that. Guess who was the U.S. president during much of the Yeltsin years…Bill Clinton, whose aggrandizement of NATO, along with the siccing of the neoliberal wreckers onto Russia has had a lot to do with Russia’s subsequent justified suspicions of the U.S. and their British poodle. Clinton didn’t receive the majority of the popular votes either. But today’s Democrat party just can’t stop screeching about how Trump didn’t receive the majority of the popular vote.

    Oh, & Billy Bob the Rapist gave us NAFTA, got the Chinese into the WTO, and broke down the restrictions on the banking sector that led – directly – to the meltdown in 2008. We have a lot to be thankful for that originated with Clinton.

    Trump, of German & Scottish ancestry, is wise to the treachery of the English, and they know it. Likely has much to do with their collaboration, and sometimes leading role, in the efforts to undermine his legitimacy. I for one would be glad to be shut of the worship of the English.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  256. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    What the f**k do you think central America was? Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Puerto Rico, Samoa, Cuba, the Phillipines, a hundred military bases around the globe. Sounds like an empire to me, you stupid ponce.

    In Introduction to Reading Comprehension, even the most obnoxious and foolish Unzworld denizen can learn to digest and comprehend my remarks on all of these loci. Pro tip: you have to read them first, which is what you didn’t do when you were popping off about my first sentence. I’m not going to repeat them.

    None of the places you named had settlement colonies bar Panama, and, arguably, Puerto Rico. In Panama, the ‘colony’ was not under Panamanian jurisdiction and never exceeded 65,000 people: some manning a garrison, some operating a large public works project, and some providing a support staff. A territory of similar population in 1940 was British Honduras. There was an American expeditionary force in Nicaragua for a limited run of years. That aside, Central America has been a string of small countries among which Panama and Costa Rica have had a middling standard of living and the remainder a poor one. Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador have had peculiarly bad social relations which have included a vendetta culture, gang activity, and general disorder. They’re readily influenced by foreign powers because…they are small, poor countries. Except for the American garrison in the Canal Zone, and the expeditionary force in Nicaragua, the 600 troops in El Salvador today are about the largest American armed presence which has been seen there. The primary activity of the Southern Command is drug interdiction, by the way. If you fancy Central American governments just take orders from the American Embassy, recall that the Guatemalan government told the Carter Administration to get stuffed in 1977 and refused to take more than trivial quanta of aid for the next 8 years. Those were consequential (and bloody) years in Guatemala’s history.

    The staffing of individual bases abroad is often quite small. The air base we have in Isreal has a few dozen men in uniform. Again, most of our military manpower abroad is located in three countries (Germany, Japan, and South Korea) and about 80% of the remainder is in a dozen others.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  257. Art Deco says:
    @Liberty Mike

    They weren’t rebutted with ‘reality’. You asserted that Rhode Island was some sort of sovereign little republic between May 1788 and May 1790. It wasn’t, and your point would be trivial if it were not false. You also asserted that the 1787 convention was ‘illegal’. It was called by the state governments and its work was ratified by state conventions. Go howl at the moon. Maybe the ghost of Patrick Henry will appear and howl with you.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  258. @JerseyJeffersonian

    why was the 90′s economically better.

  259. Art Deco says:

    Like most Brits, Art Deco somewhat overly imagines the scope and power of the United States-it is in fact a deteriorating Cold War Superpower whose economy has been overtaken by China and cannot maintain a strong Southern Border….Art has never been to the United States beyond Disney World and cannot imagine the actual poverty and second-world conditions of cities in the Rustbelt or the South of the United States….A white prole expat, refugee nearly, of the US rust belt like myself smirks at the naivete of someone who has probably not particularly well-traveled. He imagines that Americans all live in huge mansions and have swimming pools in their backyards. He has not seen the poverty, even for whites, in cities like Detroit or Flint. He has not seen the Amerindians we call Hispanics rampaging through the US. He has not ridden a US bus with those ghetto inhabitants who possess vouchers….The real American prole knows that US hegemony is a joke. The Iraq War had such a cost that the US looked impoverished compared to the heydey of the Clinton era…Deco is a joke who believes Americans all ride around on horses with cowboy hats because of Westerns on SKY TV.

    I don’t generally make biographical remarks in fora like this because they’re unverifiable and I don’t participate to discuss me. If anyone’s curious, I’ve never set foot in Britain in my life, nor have I ever been to Disney World. I’m perfectly familiar with the Rustbelt and I grew up in the part of the country with more affinity for and similarity to Michigan than any other (down to the recycled place names). As for Westerns, they’re fine…for somebody else.

    Domestic product per capita per year (in 2009 currency units) was $44,800 in the year 2000 and $48,800 in 2012. No clue how you got the idea we were all ‘impoverished’ by the Iraq war, except that quantitative thinking isn’t your default.

    In 2015, about 17% of the total population was hispanic and about 17% of the jail and prison population was hispanic. That population is mestizo culturally and predominantly mestizo phenotypically. (There are a half-dozen Latin American countries where Indian dialects are commonly spoken at home; Mexico isn’t one of them as only 2% of the population there does that).

  260. We’re in agreement about colonies. The US has backed a load of other countries which then turned-like Noriega. The US has paid for its foreign tampering in Latin America as wave after wave of refugees washed in Miami or staggered up San Diego with every revolution and counter-revolution.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  261. @Art Deco

    You asserted:

    “Massachusetts and Rhode Island were never sovereign territories. They were British dependencies and then parts of the United States.”

    Rhode Island declared its independence from Britain on May 4, 1776. In so doing, it became the first independent sovereign state in the western world.

    Do you like being ignorant?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  262. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The US has paid for its foreign tampering in Latin America as wave after wave of refugees washed in Miami or staggered up San Diego with every revolution and counter-revolution.

    Uh, no. Mexican migration to the United States has almost nothing to do with intramural political problems except to the extent that these are manifest in Mexico’s economic performance. Refugee flows from Central America were a consequence of political disorder, but except for the Contra War, these weren’t a function of American policy but of the political evolution of the societies in question. (Both red-haze types and paul-bots will complain about American ‘intervention’ out of one side of their mouth and then complain about American ‘support’ for this or that caudillo out of the other side; either they’re unable to recognize a logical contradiction or they fancy all these places would have had New Zealand’s politics if it hadn’t been for the accursed American embassy). As for flows from Cuba, Cubans were granted a special dispensation due to the peculiar features of the Cuban regime. And, again, there wasn’t much anomalous about the Cuban political order prior to 1959. Cuba’s trajectory after 1958 was a consequence of a perfect storm not replicated anywhere else in Latin America.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Mr. Anon
  263. Art Deco says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Do you like being ignorant?

    I dunno. Do you like being a silly pedant?

    • Agree: Dillon Sweeny
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  264. Do you make it a habit of doubling down when you are wrong?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  265. @Art Deco

    We’ve all seen SCARFACE and know that Pacino’s antics were a peculiarity of Cold War politics.

    Mexico’s crisis is a white Supremacy of sorts, as the Indians (Or Mestizos) have little hope of getting a slice of the pie.

    Then Noriega turned on Bush, who had known him since his CIA days. More refugees came into Miami.

    Recently the MS-13 showed up as a result of the Reagan-backed war down there.

    However, it has been good for Miami. All the dictators bank their money there and buy house when they have to move North after the next revolution.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  266. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    I keep pressing the bolded “X New” comments on the off chance that we might see something from Mr. Derbyshire.

    In the hopes of putting this distracting squabble to bed, it seems that you, Art Deco, aren’t in the best position to brush off an opponent as pedantic.

    Nobody bats 1.000, kid … just get back to hackin’ next time around.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  267. I agree with your assessment concerning Trump’s position on talking with Putin.The reaction from both sides of that political aisle was absolutely disgraceful.Talk about treason and traitors we know who they are. Those corporate anime who outsourced hundreds of thousands of job from the American mainland and then have the nerve to blame China, Canada, Mexico,and whoever else is on the list.Talk about companies buying back their own stock,increasing dividend shares for investors. My what a wonderful world! There are a few points I disagree with you on, the first is Crimea. The people of Crimea voted to become part of Russia.The Skripal “poisoning” was a ludicrous attempt by the UK and their proxies to blame Russia for something that has yet to be proved.Military grade nerve agents do not leave those infected walking around for 3-5 hours.The Syrian government asked for help from Russia it was not forced on them.

  268. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    About 11% of Mexico’s population is white. Mexico has a skewed income distribution, but it’s not as skewed as you imagine. The most affluent decile receives about 35% of personal income, so there’s some pie for everyone else.

    Then Noriega turned on Bush, who had known him since his CIA days. More refugees came into Miami.

    Highly unlikely that Bush (who supervised the CIA for about 14 months) had the names of Latin American assets memorized. A journalist named John Dinges claims Bush had some sort of face-to-face meeting with Noriega; for some reason, I just don’t trust red-haze ‘investigative reporters’. Noriega was, from August of 1983 to December of 1989, the boss of Panama; his conflicts with the Administration antedated Bush’s inaugural. It’s doubtful that his removal in 1989 generated any refugees bar a small corps of people drawn from the inner ring of the political syndicate then running Panama.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  269. Art Deco says:
    @Liberty Mike

    No. And I wouldn’t regard a territory which had fewer than 60,000 settlers as a sovereign republic because it issued a unilateral declaration two months before a more consequential body issued a unilateral declaration).

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  270. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    In the hopes of putting this distracting squabble to bed, it seems that you, Art Deco, aren’t in the best position to brush off an opponent as pedantic.

    Take your complaints to the Anti-Federalist poseur.

  271. @Art Deco

    Help Wanted: Need experienced movers of goal posts.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  272. @Art Deco

    When was the last time you saw a Mexican who looked like Vincente Fox in the United States? The only white Hispanics who look like Charlie Sheen or Andy Garcia are Cubans because Spanish immigrated en mass from poor regions like Northwest Spain or Canary Islands and the Indians were already dead.

    Of course Bush knew Noriega but it was mostly timing because he was backed by Reagan and the Cold War had wound down by the time his nuttiness and drug dealing reached a peak in the Bush I era.

    Panamanians are not a huge immigration problem, anyhow.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  273. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Seriously doubt Bush in 1976 ever had a face-to-face meeting with a major in a Latin American military force which might have had 14,000 men. Again, Noriega’s position in Panama was deteriorating. The military had to stuff the ballot boxes during the 1984 national elections. The following year, officers murdered Dr. Hugo Spadafora, a prominent dissident. The World Bank official they’d installed in the presidency then jumped the traces and announced the appointment of a commission of inquiry to investigate the killing. Noriega put a gun to his head threatening to blow his brains out until he signed a letter of resignation, which, after a day or two, he did. The Civic Crusade was formed a year and a half later by members of the business community and others to stage demonstrations and attempt to induce the military to stand down. Then in February 1988 a U.S. Attorney secured an indictment of Noriega for drug trafficking. The businessman who had replaced the departed Dr. Barletta in the presidency issued a letter of dismissal to Noriega in a broadcast speech. He was then a marked man and had to go into hiding from the military while Noriega’s compliant allies in the legislature impeached him and replaced him with some lick-spittle. The crisis in relations between Panama and the United States was underway 11 months before George Bush took office.

  274. Art Deco says:
    @Liberty Mike

    The goalpost referred to originally was Wilhelmine Germany, which was assembled in stages during the period running from 1862 to 1871 and appended four major German states and a scrum of minor ones to the Kingdom of Prussia. The four states in question had emerged between the 10th and the 15th century and had dynasties which dated from the Renaissance or earlier. You’re telling me a dubious legal fiction that existed for two months over a territory where lived < 2% of British North America's population is equivalent. Because silly.

  275. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    IIRC, Mr. Sailer making reference to research I haven’t seen indicates that in Mexico, people’s ancestry has been determined to be about 60% Amerindian but that among Mexicans living in the United States, the mean is 40%. Doesn’t matter much. Only about 15% of Mexico’s working population is found in the agricultural sector and no more than 2% of the population speaks Indian dialects at home. It’s not an Amerindian society. Where you see unassimilated Indians is in Guatemala, which has a population 1/10 th that of Mexico.

  276. ohmy says:

    “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country … .” Somebody take Derbyshire’s temperature. Me thinks he’s ill.
    For your info sir, a much higher percentage of Russia’s voting age population actually vote, unlike our sadly apathetic nation. I also believe the most recent presidential election in Russia was severely monitored by the West, and our NGOs, and received a clean bill of health. Though true to form Western media whores like the NYT, Atlantic and the Guardian tried to paint their elections as rigged but, the worst that could be said about them is; a felon wasn’t allowed to run, and candidate media coverage was biased. Sounds like home. Don’t you think?
    Mr. John Derbyshire, I hereby suspend your access to, and use of any and all: keyboards, writing and recording devices for 12 months. Young man don’t even let me catch you writing in the sand, or in snow, or on fogged windows or mirrors.Your offense? BLATANT IGNORANCE, conspiracy to defraud, and or professional malfeasance.
    On your way out leave all of your computers, smart phones, BlackBerrys, pens, pencils, erasures, and paper with the bailiff.

  277. FKA Max says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    I think your theory is way too complicated.

    That could very well be.

    I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that Democrats (Catholic Democrats that is) can be quite or are even the most rabidly anti-Communist/Russian group of people out there.

    I think many people assume that most leftists and liberals are pro-Communism/Leninist and Stalinist Russia (I think this is mostly the Jewish Left/Democrats), but a large faction of them (again mostly Catholics) are actually militantly anti-Communist/Russian.

    I think the Catholic Church is so anti-Communist since Communism is actually very similar in its aims and designs for world domination to the Catholic faith (except that Catholicism (and Islam) has (have) the advantage of higher birth rates, since Communists, generally, have been promoting birth/population control and abortion (with the exception of Mao https://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered/#comment-2045728 ). In the following link/book there is a chapter titled “Conquest by Fecundity” in regards to the Catholic Church), and they (the Catholic hierarchy) see it as a direct competitor ideology/faith. Paul Blanshard makes a very good case for this in his book “Communism Democracy And Catholic Power”: https://www.unz.com/article/the-reality-of-red-subversion/#comment-1699584

    Author Avro Manhattan has also written extensively on this Communist-Catholic rivalry: “Fatimaization of the West” http://www.reformation.org/chapter3.html

    On top of that Catholics, on average, tend to be more “obedient”, particular when they were raised in the faith, than Protestants and Jews, for example, and are therefore probably more inclined to act as purveyors and protectors of the status quo. Mormons are similar to Catholics in this regard, since their faith and church is also very centrally and hierarchically organized, so they thrive and feel comfortable in similarly structured organizations and institutions like, for example, the military and the intelligence agencies which operate on and with clearly defined command and control structures and doctrines:

    Instead, modern (white) Protestants and Jews had a high degree of “intellectual autonomy” that facilitated scientific and technical advance.[10] By contrast, Lenski pointed out, Catholics developed an intellectual orientation which valued “obedience” to the teachings of their church above intellectual autonomy, which made them less inclined to enter scientific careers. Catholic sociologists[11][12] had come to the same conclusions.[13]

    Lenski traced these differences back to the Reformation and the Catholic church’s reaction to it. In Lenski’s view, the Reformation encouraged intellectual autonomy among Protestants, in particular the Anabaptists, Puritans, Pietists, Methodists, and Presbyterians. In the Middle Ages, there had been tendencies toward intellectual autonomy, as exemplified in men like Erasmus. But after the Reformation, the Catholic leaders increasingly identified these tendencies with Protestantism and heresy and demanded that Catholics be obedient and faithful to ecclesiastical discipline. In Lenski’s opinion, his study showed that these differences between Protestants and Catholics survived to the present day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis#Support

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @lavoisier
  278. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco

    Massachusetts was effectively independent from 4/18/1775 to 7/4/1776.

  279. @FKA Max

    Reagan Democrats was a term used to describe mostly urban Catholics and in the Cold War era they were the furthest thing from Communist.

    People who are younger than I am (Born in the 1980′s) are unaware that these were people that got Reagan elected-heretofore they had been Democrats and once Carter lost their votes, Reagan was elected (Though narrowly).

    Gen Y also do not remember the original culture wars of the 70′s. Now remembered for its anti-heroes and moral ambiguity and gritty films, it was a bleak and depressing era.

    The Reagan Democrats essentially ended the culture war. The seventies vibe of hedonism and anything-goes that had really originated with the 1960′s essentially ended in 1982.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @gsjackson
  280. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Being British you would not know that Philippines was the only colony that the United States ever had and only for 40 years.

    I am not british; I am American. I can recognize what is a defacto colony whether it is called one or not. What was Cuba? What is Samoa? What was Egypt under British rule? It was called a protectorate, but the british called the shots.

    The US has bases in the UK, for that matter. Is Britain a US colony?

    I think not a small number of Britis have thought just that thing.

    Nicaragua was a Spanish colony prior to its independence.

    Nicaragua was a US client state. An empire doesn’t have to have colonies to be an empire.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  281. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    In Introduction to Reading Comprehension, even the most obnoxious and foolish Unzworld denizen can learn to digest and comprehend my remarks on all of these loci.

    Loci? You mean “place”, you stupid prating fool. That’s all of your post I read, given that nothing you write has any value. You are the Ralph Wiggum of the Unzosphere, and I really don’t give a flying f**k what you think.

    The Roman Empire had military outposts all over the mediteranean world. Judea was not a Roman colony, neither was Armenia. Neither were any number of other places. Were they not parts of the Roman Empire.

    You said America didn’t / doesn’t have an empire. It clearly does. Just as you are clearly a supercilious ass-hat.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  282. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    I dunno. Do you like being a silly pedant?

    Evidently you do.

    Really, Art (and – yes – the familiarity is intended to be condescending and insulting) – calling someone eles a pedant – you should be the last person to employ that modality of discourse at this loci.

    Clown.

  283. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jeff Stryker

    Reagan Democrats was a term used to describe mostly urban Catholics and in the Cold War era they were the furthest thing from Communist.

    That is correct. Particularly Irish Catholics.

    Thanks very much for your feedback.

    Reagan was not a Catholic himself, but had a long and strong association with the Catholic University of Notre Dame:

    As the nation mourns the loss of President Reagan, who died Saturday, the University of Notre Dame remembers its most famous “subway alum.”p. Reagan had a long association with Notre Dame, beginning with his role as the legendary football star George Gipp in the 1940 film, “Knute Rockne – All American.” [...] By then Reagan had adopted the role of the 1920s star Gipp as a virtual part of his persona and was widely know as “The Gipper.”p. The Commencement address, which was Reagan’s first public appearance after an assassination attempt in March, also included his memorable — and ultimately correct — commentary on communism, which he called “a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630050

    Notre Dame Commencement Address: President Reagans Source of all Strength Speech, 1981

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  284. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Uh, no.

    So tell us, dips**t, what “political evolution of the society in question” led to the vast increase in Somalis in this country over the last thirty years?

    Obviously, our f**king around in latin America directly led to the vast increase in those people coming here. Why don’t you stick to talking about something you know something about, like the Dewey Decimal system, you contemptible nitwit.

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  285. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Like most Brits, Art Deco somewhat overly imagines the scope and power of the United States-it is in fact a deteriorating Cold War Superpower whose economy has been overtaken by China and cannot maintain a strong Southern Border.

    Art Deco isn’t british. He is just stupid – an educated kind of stupid – but stupid none-the-less. He’s a university librarian, whose knowledge of the World was gleaned from behind a reference desk.

  286. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The Reagan Democrats essentially ended the culture war. The seventies vibe of hedonism and anything-goes that had really originated with the 1960′s essentially ended in 1982.

    And then started again sometime in the 1990s, and is still ascendent today.

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  287. @Mr. Anon

    No American says “nonce” or “prat”.

    I’ve been overseas for most of my life and most of it was spent employed by Brit managers or bosses.

    Most Brits tend to feel as if they live in the cultural shadow of a country that knows nothing of them but Bond and Benny Hill.

    The US has a couple of air force and army bases in the remote hinterlands of the UK.

    Egypt could not possibly have remained a British protectorate after the war. Nasser etc.

  288. @Mr. Anon

    The Clinton era, which gave birth to PC and NAFTA and tattoos and bisexual chic and everything else we deal with today, were a reaction to the Reagan Revolution.

    Clinton was a domestic president, Bush was obsessed with foreign policy. And the public was going through a recession and was tired of hearing about international issues.

    In all fairness, Bill Clinton presided over a fairly decent era of prosperity. Can you remember when 15 year old kids served you at fast food joints and it was odd to see an adult beyond his college years working there? When anybody over 20 had their own apartment? When it was normal for 25 year old college graduates to move to the other part of the country (Or overseas) in order to pursue their career? When 30 year old whites owned a McMansion? When Hispanics were a minority in the Southwest? When gang executions meant 40 year old Italian dirt bags in North Jersey and not MS-13 girls? When the idea of a disastrous war was Black Hawk Down or Haiti?

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  289. @FKA Max

    Reagan’s father was Catholic-his parents immigrated from Ireland.

    Reagan began life as a Democrat-he was himself a Reagan Democrat, an Irish-American from Illinois who switched parties.

    Not only the Reagan Democrat president but also a member.

    But mostly it was the mood of the late seventies. The hedonism, the drugs, the Iran-Contra affair, the gas shortages, the crime rate, the corruption, the Mansons, the Jim Jones, Black Panthers, Patty Hearst.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  290. gsjackson says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I would say the ’70s hedonism vibe ended more about ’85-’86, when the media created a scare about AIDS and basketball star Len Bias died of a crack cocaine overdose. But the zombiefication of the population proceeded apace as illegal drugs were replaced by legal ones, and we became Pillhead Nation in the ’90s.

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  291. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    and I really don’t give a flying f**k what you think.

    But you’re quite voluble about my utterances. Go figure.

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  292. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    So tell us, dips**t, what “political evolution of the society in question” led to the vast increase in Somalis in this country over the last thirty years?

    Somalia is not in Central America.

    There are about 130,000 Somalis in the United States. I think those are derived from refugee admissions. Somalia is, for the most part, a failed state and has been since 1991. That’s something they did to themselves, not something we did to them. I don’t think it’s a wise policy to be importing Somali refugees into the United States, but that’s not a judgment for or against a particular stance in foreign affars.

    Obviously, our f**king around in latin America directly led to the vast increase in those people coming here. Why don’t you stick to talking about something you know something about, like the Dewey Decimal system, you contemptible nitwit.

    The only country we were f**king around with was Nicaragua, and that was for reasons-of-state. There are about 400,000 Nicaraguans living in the United States, or about 6.5% of the source country’s population. If the number of Mexicans in this country was proportionately similar, we’d have a Mexican ancestry population of about 7.6 million, when there are actually 34 million self-identified Mexicans here (of whom 14 million were born in Mexico). Nicaraguans do not present much of a problem

    I don’t know how you got the idea the Salvadorean civil war was a function of American ‘f**king around’. It wasn’t. While it was underway, we helped the government there with a few score military advisers and an aid program on the order of $70 million a year (IIRC – a contextually similar sum today would be about $480 million a year). No clue why you fancy 55 military advisers and $13 per capita in American aid is going to induce a refugee exodus. Suggest you consider the refugee exodus had something to do with Salvadorean political factions shooting at each other, which is not something the American ambassador persuaded them to do.

    While we’re at it, there are 1.3 million Guatemalans in the United States, or 7.8% of the source country population. Guatemala had a ghastly civil war at the time, but accepted no American aid. What benefit did we get from not f**king? There are 785,000 Hondurans in the United States (8.6% of the source country population), even though Honduras had no civil war at all.

    Obviously, our f**king around

    Mr. Stryker has a point. You might quit pretending you’re local.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  293. Art Deco says:
    @gsjackson

    I would say the ’70s hedonism vibe ended more about ’85-’86, when the media created a scare about AIDS

    AIDS wasn’t a media-created scare. It was a real public health problem endangering a seven-digit population. It wasn’t quite known in 1985 that the probability of transmission during ordinary coitus is quite low and that the mode of transmission (with few exceptions) was dirty needles and anal sex, practices favored by only a single-digit minority. It is true the media stoked extant anxieties in the public at large by running human interest stories about eccentric cases like Ryan White (a hemophiliac) and Kimberly Bergalis (who was infected by her AC-DC dentist); to be fair to the media, no one put a gun to the head of either family and forced them to yap to reporters and talk show hosts.

  294. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    If Reagan’s father did not formally leave the Church, his domestic situation was irregular. At that time, what’s called a ‘mixed marriage’ in canon law required some formal permissions which included conditions in regard to the chatechesis of the non-Catholic spouse and the children (though it did not require the conversion of the non-Catholic spouse) The Reagans appear to have disobeyed the conditions if they ever accepted them. We can check, but I’d wager their marriage was solemnized by a protestant minister. Ronald Reagan’s mother was a pillar of the local Disciples of Christ congregation and Reagan and his brother Neil attended a college run by the denomination.

    The Reagans were the sort of people who were Republican by default (small town, midwestern, impecunious, petty bourgeois; Richard Nixon was from the same class, just transplanted to Southern California). Reagan’s young adult political views were a function of the Depression and of hanging around actors. After 1952, Reagan returned to the fold. It started with his experience of 90% marginal tax rates during the War, thence to the tangles he had with Communist cadres in the Screen Actors Guild and other unions. Then there was the influence of his father-in-law, direct and intermediated through Nancy. Then there was the effect of doing a great deal of touring and public speaking he did when he was employed by General Electric. It got him out of Hollywood and back to places of the sort he’d grown up with. The concrete was cured by his interactions with student protesters and the like while Governor of California.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Hibernian
  295. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    ..Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our borders to share in our blessed bounty…

    You don’t think the USA is corrupt and dysfunctional?

    Prosperous? USA has one of the highest poverty and inequality rates for any developed country.

    ..They’ve murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it’s disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation—which indeed it’s got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain…

    Really? How many people do you think the USA government has killed in the past 20 years?

  296. gsjackson says:
    @Art Deco

    I think the media were rather willfully ignorant toward evidence that AIDS was not really a threat to non-drug-using heterosexuals, an agenda that makes some sense in light of subsequent campaigns to drive a wedge between men and women. By 1985 they had four years of data showing AIDS to be confined to the relevant populations.

    But they faced a PR problem articulated at the time by Pat Buchanan: Will the public not shun homosexuals all the more if sodomy is shown to be an extraordinarily efficient transmitter of deadly disease? As it transpired, no worries. Ryan White and other heterosexuals were enlisted into the cause of AIDS-as-universal-plague, homosexuals became the canary in the coal mine — the first to fall victim to this disease that threatened all mankind — and from that status rose to sainted martyrdom, which was an enormous step forward not in their continued oppression, as Buchanan speculated, but in their normalization.

    When the media decided to go full bore with this martyred homosexual campaign in 1985 was when the ’70s see-go-to-bed-then-introduce-yourselves culture began to wane, though arguably the movie Looking for Mr. Goodbar played a significant earlier role also. That movie may have been ground zero for the enormously successful media campaign to make all men presumed to be rapists or serial killers until proven otherwise.

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  297. @Art Deco

    John Holmes and Rock Hudson were celebrities and neither was known to be gay at that time.

    AIDS killed people within a few years, you could not live with it like diabetes.

    It was not apparent that AIDS was blood-borne.

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  298. @Art Deco

    Nixon also claimed to be a Quaker, though his roots were Irish-Catholic.

    People forget being an Irish-Catholic even in their day was a strike against them in the polls.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  299. @gsjackson

    GOODBAR was made in 1977 and AIDS was not known to the public until Rock Hudson died in 1984.

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  300. gsjackson says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    AIDS was known to the public in 1981 — it was called “the gay disease” at the time. I believe ’85 was the end of the road for Hudson, and that event as much as any launched the media campaign to sanctify homosexual martyrdom.

    Hudson, by the way, had been widely rumored to be gay for years — a rumor any consumer of celebrity gossip at the time would have encountered. In 1969 the story was about a three-way relationship between him, Jim Nabors and an NFL quarterback, whom I won’t name since, as far as I know, he has never acknowledged being a homosexual.

  301. Holmes died around the same time

  302. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Don’t know who John Holmes was. Rock Hudson’s homosexuality was not ‘known’ in the sense of being publicly acknowledged or obvious, but there were insinuations in the tabloid press and gossip about it which reached the general public and not just the sorts of people who read fan magazines. Hudson starred in a miniseries which was broadcast in 1978. My father watched it and found it entertaining, but said he didn’t much care for Hudson as a personality (‘flamin’ queen’). At the time his AIDS diagnosis was made public (after a brief attempt by his publicists to pass it off as liver cancer), I was having coffee with a friend in a local bar / cafe in Baltimore. She couldn’t understand why it was supposed to be such a revelation since it had been bruited about for years that ‘Jim Nabors was his lover’. Nowadays, bachelors are automatically suspect, but people didn’t give it much thought in 1978, so it’s a reasonable inference that the static was leaking out from people in Nabors’ and Hudson’s social circles. (Supposedly, Nabors and Hudson weren’t involved in that way, but the rumors about them were true otherwise).

    The HIV virus was identified in the Spring of 1984, less than three years after the disease itself was identified and less than two years after knowledge of it made the jump from obscure professional literature to the general media. Although there were other hypotheses, researchers were exploring the thesis that it was an infectious agent in the years prior and that it wasn’t an airborne agent.

    The timeline of the disease before protease inhibitors came into wasn’t understood in 1981 and took some time to determine as case reports were collated. What they eventually learned was that you have a ‘seroconversion’ illness when you’re infected and then recover. Some time later, you begin to develop opportunistic infections. ‘Some time’ varies wildly from one patient to another, but the median lapse of time was later discovered to be 11 years (IIRC). Once you get the opportunistic infections, the median time it takes to finish you off is 18 months without meliorative treatments.

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  303. @Art Deco

    I lived in the Philippines long enough to know one American who died of AIDS. He was decidedly heterosexual but had been a patron of prostitutes all over Asia for 10 years and I am sure he screwed them in every body cavity.

  304. Art Deco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Nixon also claimed to be a Quaker, though his roots were Irish-Catholic. People forget being an Irish-Catholic even in their day was a strike against them in the polls.

    Nixon’s mother and father attended the Friends meeting in Whittier, Calif. Her maiden name was ‘Milhous’, which isn’t Irish. Surviving correspondence from the 1930s indicates that Nixon’s personal religious viewpoint was a vary spare protestantism tending toward deism. Nixon enlisted in the Navy during the war and said when interviewed later that he never considered alternative service even though that option was available for Quakers. He never formally left the Society of Friends, but he really had none of the Quaker signatures in his adult life. I think he and his wife attended (now and again) a Presbyterian congregation in Washington when he was President. His wife’s ethnic background was German-Irish (and her mother an immigrant), but if she had any religious preference it was a sort of generic protestantism which found Norman Vincent Peale and Billy Graham interesting. Don’t think either of the Nixons ever in their life had anything to do with the Catholic Church, but you’d have to check Julie Eisenhower’s biography of her mother.

    Catholics of a certain vintage maintain an affiliation with the Democratic Party consequent to a residual sense that the Republicans are the party of those which ‘excluded’ them. Andrew Greeley held to such sentiments, even though he admitted his own research showed that Irish Catholics had pulled even with old-stock Americans by the 1920s in terms of income. There were scads of Catholic politicians at all levels at the midpoint of Nixon’s career. The only office they hadn’t cracked was the Presidency. It’s a reasonable guess it cost Al Smith something in 1928, but it’s not certain because he was carrying other cultural baggage. Smith was Tammany. He was also metropolitan-urban in his origins, which no man who had occupied that office to date had been.

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  305. @Art Deco

    I’d guess that Irish-Catholics have long exceeded Old Stock Americans in terms of influence, median income, whatever metric you can think of.

    Following Jews, they’ve been the major presence in Hollywood and the media. Their influence in the United States is not inconsiderable.

    Jews are not the only ethnic group out of the East with disproportionate power and influence.

  306. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    [It's really not a good idea to clutter up comment-threads with so many almost entirely off-topic remarks.]

    Addendum:

    What John Derbyshire wrote is actually not quite accurate:

    Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks.

    Most of Russia’s drunks are actually young (and male) and due to their high levels of alcohol/vodka consumption many of them never make it to a ripe old age:

    Russia’s moral barometer: Homosexuality unacceptable, but drinking, less so

    [MORE]

    There is a stark gender and age divide on attitudes toward drinking which has long been an issue troubling Russian society. About half of Russian women (52%) say drinking alcohol is morally wrong, but only 36% of Russian men agree. And 52% of Russians over the age of 50 also say drinking is morally unacceptable, while only 39% of those under 30 say the same. A recent study published in The Lancet medical journal reinforces evidence “that vodka is a major cause of the high risk of premature death in Russian adults,” and a quarter of Russian men die before they are 55, mostly due to alcohol.http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/06/russias-moral-barometer-homosexuality-unacceptable-but-drinking-less-so/

    and

    10% of Russian Muslims say it is “morally acceptable” to drink alcohol compared to 68% who say it is “morally wrong”:

    Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-morality/

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  307. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    [It's really not a good idea to clutter up comment-threads with so many almost entirely off-topic remarks.]

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Could you specify what about this particular comment of mine is off-topic, because I actually thought this was one of my more on-topic comments in this comments thread…

    Mr. Karlin also brought up the topic of the high, but it seems now somewhat declining, rate of alcoholism in Russia before I did, as did other commenters: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2428166

    And I think it is quite an important issue to discuss that Russia might actually face “Islamization” before Europe and certainly before the U.S., since its Muslim community as a share of the population is tiny, and one of the main contributing factors in this cultural and demographic shift is Russian men’s high rate of premature mortality mainly caused by alcoholism and not just a higher Muslim fertility rate as many commentators claim: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-trips-but-hes-right-on-russia-our-ruling-class-is-crazy-remember-the-romanovs/#comment-2428324

    A heavily nuclear-armed Russia under Islamic rule would be extremely scary and concerning, in my opinion, and I’m actually young enough to actually live to see and experience this potential future scenario…

    I know that some of my recent, less-than-flattering comments about Russia and Russians have ruffled some feathers and hit some raw nerves… I will try to tone it down a bit on that, not to agitate and offend too many people, but my criticism of Russia and Russians does not come from a place of hate but rather from a place of “tough love”.

    If Russia and Russians don’t get their act together, we will all be worse off for it, and just pretending that everything is “hunky-dory” in Russia and that everything is terrible in the West and that the West is to blame for all the world’s ills, which sounds pretty social-justice-warriorly blame the White Man to me by the way, won’t achieve the objective of renewal and personal improvement in Russia and for Russians.

    I also take some issue with me being singled out for bad commenting behavior and infractions, when it seems that commenters like FB have more or less free rein without being reprimanded, etc. to plaster all kinds of absolutely distasteful and disgusting memes in the comments while calling me, and others, all sorts of highly insulting names, etc.

    If my commenting behavior is a bigger issue for the Unz Review moderators than the outbursts of commenter FB, maybe their priorities should be reassessed and reevaluated.

    I highly appreciate this place and website, but I really felt I needed to say this, since the type of behavior displayed by FB and it being tolerated and, it seems, implicitly condoned by the Unz Review moderators worried me, because that is truly “cluttering/dirtying/polluting” behavior that could bring the Unz Review into disrepute, not my, admittedly, somewhat eccentric and obsessive-compulsive commenting style.

    Regardless of our disagreements, I highly appreciate what you have created and are doing here for all of us.

    Thank you very much.

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    , @Jon0815
  308. sb says:

    I’ve always found Derbyshire an entertaining read but I confess that I do wonder how Americans ( I’m not one ) can take him seriously . A preference for bourbon and coffee over gin and tea doesn’t strike me as a significant test of American allegiance .
    I would be worried that he has such a problem with Roman Catholics but no problem with Jews . Remember that Catholicism once had temporal power and Judaism didn’t so that such a view may once have been reasonable for someone of Protestant inclination but now that previous situation has long been reversed . Allegiance to Jerusalem is more potent than allegiance to Rome ever was ( and certainly less Western )

    It strikes me as ignorant for an educated person to so equate Englishness with Protestantism but I recognise that some may disagree

    Or maybe it’s just me -my extended ( Australian ) family is so chock full of so called mixed marriages ( most commonly Anglican – RC ) that such Derb style thinking seems so Nineteenth Century

    • Agree: Hibernian
  309. @FKA Max

    GENERATION LOST

    So many many Russian and Eastern European women went to Dubai or other Gulf Countries to sell their bodies that an entire female generation is lost who were born 1960-1980 during the real bad years after the Wall.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  310. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    But you’re quite voluble about my utterances. Go figure.

    One pays attention to a clogged toilet too. Until the obstruction goes away.

  311. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Somalia is not in Central America.

    No s**t. Did you have to look that up in an atlas?

    My point was that our screwing around in Somalia was the direct cause of the influx of Somali refugess into our country. Just as our screwing around in central America led to those inflows. Just as screwing around in Afghanistan and Syria is now leading to those influxes.

    The only country we were f**king around with was Nicaragua, …

    What about the Panama invasion, you idiot? What about the CIA-backed coup that installed Arbenz in Guatemala? Or US military interventions in Honduras? The US has been involved both clandestinely and overtly in central America going back to the Spanish American War.

    Mr. Stryker has a point. You might quit pretending you’re local.

    I am an American living in America. You are a tiresome, smug, pedantic clown living (apparently) in a universtiy library.

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    , @Art Deco
    , @Mr. Anon
  312. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    You are ignorant on a wide range of subjects, aren’t you?

    The AIDS epidemic was deliberately stoked into a general public health scare by homosexual activists, who wanted the government to “do something” – no doubt find a cure to their particular problem so that they could continue their unhygenic sexual practices. At the same time they tried to downplay the “stigma” of the disease. They wanted it both ways – we’re all gonna die from this virulent epidemic and at the same time, you should be concerned that, for example, your dentist has the disease.

    The chances are very good that Kimberly Bergalis was deliberately infected by her homosexual dentist out of spite and/or the desire to make a political statement.

    ……….to be fair to the media, no one put a gun to the head of either family and forced them to yap to reporters and talk show hosts.

    Nobody is forcing you to yammer on about things you know nothing about. And yet here you are.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  313. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I am an American living in America. You are a tiresome, smug, pedantic clown living (apparently) in a universtiy library.

    Bravo, Grasshopper!

    Hey, speaking of libraries, here’s one you might want to check out next time you’re in one.

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  314. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The Clinton era, which gave birth to PC and NAFTA and tattoos and bisexual chic and everything else we deal with today, were a reaction to the Reagan Revolution.

    I don’t see it as a reaction to Reagan so much as just the natural progression of cultural rot. And it hasn’t let up, no matter who has been in office. The rot accelerated during the Obama administration, but the culture was steadily getting worse in just about every way during the G.W. Bush era as well.

  315. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    My point was that our screwing around in Somalia was the direct cause of the influx of Somali refugess into our country.

    I understand your point. The problem is that your thesis is stupid. Somalia’s a failed state consequent to its own social relations and path dependency consequent to discrete historical events. They’re motivated to leave the country because of that, not because a two-digit population of American soldiers was there 25 years ago. The policy failure was in resettling them here and not in camps proximate to Somalia with a view to their eventual repatriation.

    What about the Panama invasion, you idiot?

    American troops came and went in a matter of weeks. The drug lord running the country had refused to allow the country’s lawfully elected officials to take office. In spite of the lies uttered by people like Barbara Ehrenreich, Panama was not injured by this except for the property damage when the Marines landed and secured the country. Panama is, by the way, the most affluent country in Latin America and (bar one) the most economically dynamic (having registered 2.8-fold growth in real per capita product since 1990). It has one quality-of-life problem, and that is excess street crime. That’s a problem it shares with every other Latin American country except for Chile. There are about 190,000 Panamanians living in the U.S., or about 5% of the source country population; the number who are actual refugees approaches nil.

    What about the CIA-backed coup that installed Arbenz in Guatemala?

    It removed Arbenz. The eulogists of the Arevalo-Arbenz regime are wont to attribute every disagreeable political event in that country over the next 40-odd years to this, but the rest of us aren’t mandated to take them seriously. Again, the ratio of Guatemalans resident in the United States to those in the source country isn’t any different than that of Honduras, which had no civil war at all and unremarkable domestic politics.

    Or US military interventions in Honduras?

    There was no such intervention. Honduras problem has not, at any time in the last 4 generations, been political violence. It has not, in the last 36 years, been caudillo rule. It’s problems are street crime, low productivity, and natural disasters.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  316. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Nobody is forcing you to yammer on about things you know nothing about.

    Get back to me when you can actually locate an erroneous statement I made, and remember that you’re in the hole.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  317. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco

    President Reagan was a New Deal Democrat in the ’30s and ’40s. He formally became a Republican in 1962 during the Richard Nixon/Pat Brown California gubernatorial contest.

    His brother Neil Reagan was raised a Catholic and was a life long Catholic. The denominational college was THE college in the small town where they lived.

    As a librarian, you might try getting the facts instead of, by your own admission, speculating.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Mr. Anon
  318. Jon0815 says:
    @FKA Max

    And I think it is quite an important issue to discuss that Russia might actually face “Islamization” before Europe

    No. Europe’s Muslim population is growing much faster. Pew projects that Muslims will increase from 5% of Europe’s population in 2016, to 11-14% in 2050. Russia’s Muslim population is currently 12% and at the current rate of change it will be around 17% in 2050.

    A heavily nuclear-armed Russia under Islamic rule would be extremely scary and concerning, in my opinion, and I’m actually young enough to actually live to see and experience this potential future scenario…

    Not going to happen anytime this century, and probably ever.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  319. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian

    Reagan’s departure from the Democratic Party and the liberal fold was something that occurred in increments. No clue why you fancy that description is refuted by pointing out the precise date he changed his registration.

    The Reagans grew up in Dixon, Illinois. Eureka College is about 90 miles away.

    The Wikipedia entry on Neil Reagan lists the White House Studies Compendium v. 1 as the source of the datum that Neil Reagan was Catholic. The precise text can be inspected via Google Books. The author Robert Watson says that Neil Reagan attended Mass with his father (Jack Reagan died in 1941). Neil Reagan was buried in a generic cemetery in his wife’s home town (Des Moines). He and his wife are commemorated with a single modest headstone, as if both were placed in the same plot. The cemetery in question allows such double burials if at least one of the deceased was cremated. (The cemetery does not have dedicated sections for cremation graves; you have both sorts of graves in any section of the cemetery). Neil Reagan and his wife had no children. The one bequest of theirs of a dimension to make the papers was to Eureka College. None of the data points about Neil Reagan’s in-laws (what their names were, who they married, where they lived, where they were buried, or the number of children they had) have a Catholic vibe. None of foregoing is probative, but it is suggestive.

  320. Actor Jack Nicholson referred to them (Himself included) as “Irish Democrats”.

    To lay it ALL on Jews is sort of an exaggeration-Irish-Catholics are a close second in Hollywood.

  321. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    I understand your point. The problem is that your thesis is stupid.

    No, it is empirically true. What you have written is stupid – exceedingly stupid, but that is to be expected from such an exceedingly stupid man such as you.

    American troops came and went in a matter of weeks.

    Two words, idiot – “canal zone” – America had a military presence in Panama since the first decade of the last century.

    It removed Arbenz.

    And that isn’t imperial politics?

    There was no such intervention.

    Wrong, a**hole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars

    You should stop trying to pull of your “smart” act. Being a pedantic bore is not the same as being smart. You are not.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  322. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Get back to me when you can actually locate an erroneous statement I made,…

    Just about everyone you made, you nattering idiot.

  323. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Hey, Art, at least “Truth” is a fan of yours.

    So you’ve always got that.

  324. Mr. Anon says:
    @Truth

    Here’s one for you, tape-worm:

    https://www.amazon.com/Flat-Earth-Conspiracy-Eric-Dubay/dp/1312627166

    Oh, but I’m forgetting – you probably already have that book.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Truth
  325. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks Grass, I’m going to delve into after I finish my current reading material.

    https://www.amazon.com/Water-Car-Turn-Into-Hydrogen/dp/1424303621

  326. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, emotional upset, arrogance, and bluster do not make false statements true statements. It’s a nonsensical conception of collective behavior which fancies Somalia cannot function because of Black Hawk Down. I discussed the Canal Zone above. It’s in the post you could bother to read (for which you excoriated me anyway). We’re not facing refugee flows from Honduras because there was a Marine beach head there 107 years ago. Honduras is a poor country with deficient institutional development. It’s not been a particularly contentious place by Latin American standards.

    You should stop trying to pull of your “smart” act.

    The ‘smart act’ consists of inserting fairly dry factual data. You have a neuralgic reaction to that because you’ve got issues. Which is not my problem nor is that of anyone else here.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  327. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jeff Stryker

    I was was actually raised/looked after by one of them as a young child for over a year in the early 1990s. Her name was Natasha and she was an Au pair with our family… so I grew up with Russian broscht cooking and Russian cultural influences, etc. for a bit.

    She married and had a child with a German, but they later divorced.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  328. “Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our borders to share in our blessed bounty.”

    If Derbyshire is serious about this I think he should stop smoking pot before he writes a column. His opinions about Russia are stupid to say the least especially when he is sitting in a country that has a horrendous drug problem, the infrastructure is falling apart, the “shiny new weapons” barely work, the “prosperity” is only for a fraction of the population, terrible racial problems, has more dysfunctional families than functional and the only reason most of the immigrants flock to the United States is that there are marginal jobs in agriculture and there are generous welfare payments for those that don’t want to work. Every country has its problems but Putin is straightening out 70 years of damage done by the communists. Russia has functional families, no blacks or latinos, a strong culture and religion, a literate population, a weak feminist and LGBTQ movement., enormous natural resources and unlike the United States, is building a new and modern nation. The United States has an elite that hates its founding settler peoples and supports every social and culture rotting pathology that comes down the path. I only hope that Trump isn’t too little too late to save what was once an amazing nation and people.

    • Agree: gsjackson
  329. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jon0815

    Pew projects that Muslims will increase from 5% of Europe’s population in 2016, to 11-14% in 2050.

    That is the high-estimate projection from Pew, which I think won’t happen since many more anti-immigration (particularly anti-Muslim immigration), nationalist parties have been elected into European parliaments in recent years since the European Muslim Immigration Invasion shock of 2015:

    Finally, a “high” migration scenario projects the record flow of refugees into Europe between 2014 and 2016 to continue indefinitely into the future with the same religious composition (i.e., mostly made up of Muslims) in addition to the typical annual flow of regular migrants. In this scenario, Muslims could make up 14% of Europe’s population by 2050 – nearly triple the current share, but still considerably smaller than the populations of both Christians and people with no religion in Europe.

    The refugee flows of the last few years, however, are extremely high compared with the historical average in recent decades, and already have begun to decline as the European Union and many of its member states have made policy changes aimed at limiting refugee flows (see sidebar).
    Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

  330. @FKA Max

    The poorer white females under the Communist system got pretty badly used in Dubai-I heard some HORRENDOUS stories of Arab oil guys paying them $1000 to suck camel’s penises and things like that.

    Probably the Au Pair was from an educated family.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  331. lavoisier says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Interesting. Thanks for writing it.

  332. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jeff Stryker

    Typo: … *borscht* cooking

    Probably.

    All our Au pairs came from pretty well-off or well-educated backgrounds, I think.

    Natasha went to university while with us, but I was too young to be interested in or to remember what exactly she studied.

    I grew up with four Au pairs. Natasha from Russia, Lucia from Mexico (she was an extremely attractive white Hispanic and we constantly had suitors over at the house taking her out for dinner, etc. ;-) ), Karin from Austria and Kirsti from Finland.

    But it seems that even a good education was no guarantee/insurance not to end up being sex trafficked for young Russian women back in the 1990s, maybe even today?

    Human Trafficking in Russia and Other Post-Soviet States

    Typical Victims
    [...]
    While previous studies of trade in people in Asia, Latin America and Africa portray the typical victim as a young, poor, uneducated female, Russia and other states of the former Soviet Union, however, present one major exception to this rule (Stoecker 2005). Despite the fact that many of the exported Russian sex slaves came from desperate economic situations, many of them also have college degrees (Stoecker 2005).

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12142-010-0188-1

    Eastern European Women Exploited In Sex Business

    May 07, 1996

    Even with an advanced degree in economics from a prestigious Kiev university, Svetlana Stekolchshikava’s career prospects seemed bleak.
    [...]
    Before 1989 most of the foreign prostitutes working in Western Europe were recruited from Asia, South America and Africa. Virtually none were from East Bloc countries. By 1994, however, the former Soviet Union and its satellites had become the major suppliers of prostitutes for Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland, among others.

    It is now believed that half of Germany’s 200,000 prostitutes are from Eastern Europe. In the Netherlands, authorities say that nearly 70 percent of the foreign prostitutes come from Eastern Europe, mainly Russia, Ukraine, Poland and Hungary.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-07/news/9605070134_1_eastern-europe-prostitutes-western-europe

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  333. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Mr. Anon, emotional upset, arrogance, and bluster do not make false statements true statements.

    I’m not upset. You are a stupid twit, and I’m pointing it out. Not that every single post of yours isn’t already an advertisement for your particular brand of smug idiocy.

    It’s a nonsensical conception of collective behavior which fancies Somalia cannot function because of Black Hawk Down.

    Not something I ever said. I said we now have somali refugees in our country because we (and by we, I mean G.H.W. Bush) chose to f**k around there. Because it is true.

    I discussed the Canal Zone above. It’s in the post you could bother to read (for which you excoriated me anyway).

    Why would anyone bother to read what you write. I have Google. And anything actually originating from you is s**t.

    We’re not facing refugee flows from Honduras because there was a Marine beach head there 107 years ago. Honduras is a poor country with deficient institutional development.

    We’ve been monkeying around there for a hundred years. Including in the 1980s, when the current problem began. Where do you think our involvement in Nicaragua was staged from.

    You are a smug, prating, supercilious clown. You imagine other people have “issues”? You come off like an annoying college-freshman know-it-all. Get back to your library desk, you tiresome, insignificant nobody. And take your sock-puppet Johann Ricke with you.

  334. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hibernian

    As a librarian, you might try getting the facts instead of, by your own admission, speculating.

    It’s funny how Art Deco’s occupation is so obvious. I dont’ think he’s ever said what he does for a living, but everyone just assumes it to be the case, based on the context of his posts. No doubt, he’s a frustrated loser excreted from the underside of academia who had to settle for a job as a librarian.

    Pathetic, really. I’d have some sympathy for him if he weren’t such a contemptible, humorless a**-wipe.

  335. gsjackson says:

    Art Deco and Mr. Anon — I haven’t enjoyed the exchange of vicious invective so much since William Buckley called Gore Vidal a queer on national television in 1968, and threatened to punch him in the nose. Really — it’s artful, on both sides, and some pretty good info comes along with the invective. Well done.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  336. @FKA Max

    There may be some cases of human trafficking in Dubai but my experience is that the woman came up with the money for her own airline ticket and hotel room and hit the street out of choice.

    A halfway decent-looking Eastern European woman in Dubai 25-45 can make at least $2000 a week.

    I was propositioned by a Polish woman in Dubai who wanted $150 and there was no pimp, no indication of coercion and to be honest, she probably did not hate what she was doing. Sex can be kind of fun.

    Prior to the Fall of the Berlin Wall, which I doubt you are old enough to remember (I was 16), Eastern Europeans were not permitted to leave their countries. So of course Asia and Latin America were supplying the prostitutes.

  337. vinteuil says:
    @gsjackson

    I think it’s pretty clear at this point that the Art Deco/Mr Anon flame war isn’t for real.

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