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Last week, I ventured some remarks about the Justice Department case against Harvard University for discriminating against Asian Americans. This brought in a surprising number of emails. I’ll take just two main points:

  • First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that!

Listeners who made this point were referring of course to the Ashkenazi Jews who poured into the U.S.A. 1880-1920.

Indeed; and colleges responded to second-generation Jewish academic prowess just as they are now responding to Asian-Americans. They imposed quotas.

The parallel’s an obvious one. I didn’t raise it last week for two reasons. One, it was too far off the main topic, which was Asian American quotas. Two, the rise and fall of the mid-20th-century Jewish quotas is a long and tangled tale, very capably told by Ron Unz in the American Conservative article I mentioned: The Myth of American Meritocracy. [November 28, 2012]

While I’m at it, I’ll tell you again that if you don’t like reading long-form articles online, the essay is also on paper in Ron’s book with the same title.

Ron’s account is closely based on a 2005 book by Berkeley sociologist Jerome Karabel: The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. In brief:

The Ivy League universities in the early years of the 20th century practiced a more or less meritocratic admissions policy, with academic merit the main consideration. The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities; so, when Ashkenazi children came of college age, they began to swamp the admissions.

The WASP elites responded at first by imposing frank, open quotas. That caused controversy, though; so the university presidents backed off to a so-called “holistic” process — basically a subjective one that, as Ron wrote, allowed the ethnicity of the student body to be shaped as desired by undeclared de facto quotas:

The Jewish portion of Harvard’s entering class dropped from nearly 30 percent in 1925 to 15 percent the following year and remained roughly static until … the Second World War.

After the war those de facto quotas collapsed. Jews today are again at 25 percent of the student body at Ivy League universities. Since the college-age population is only 1.8 percent Jewish, that’s an extraordinary over-representation. Twenty-five divided by 1.8 is almost fourteen. Given the “tail effect” you get in statistical distributions with different means, though, it perhaps reflects the reality of higher mean Ashkenazi intelligence.

But then the question arises: Why can elite colleges get away with admissions policies that reflect the higher mean IQ of Ashkenazi Jews when they are apparently not willing to let those policies reflect the higher mean IQ of Asian Americans?

I’ll offer a three-part answer.

  • Part One of my answer: The breakdown of the anti-Jewish de facto quotas after WW2—what caused that?

From Ron Unz:

Karabel convincingly demonstrates that the collapse of the long-standing Jewish quotas in the Ivy League during the decade following World War II only occurred as a result of massive media and political pressure, pressure surely facilitated by very heavy Jewish ownership of America’s major media organs, including all three television networks, eight of nine major Hollywood studios, and many of the leading newspapers, including both the New York Times and the Washington Post. By contrast, Asian-Americans today neither own nor control even a single significant media outlet, and they constitute an almost invisible minority in films, television, radio, and print. For most Americans, what the media does not report simply does not exist, and there is virtually no major media coverage of what appear to be de facto Asian quotas at our top academic institutions. [Emphasis added].

  • Part Two of my answer: Jews are white, Asians are not, and while any overclass is resented, a racially distinctive overclass is resented more than one that barely looks any different from the resenters.

Anti-Semites know this; that’s why they put out drawings of the hunch-backed, hook-nosed cartoon Jew when they want to inflame anti-Jewish feeling. It makes the Jew plainly a different race.

  • Part Three of my answer: even under the current covert quotas, Asian Americans are enrolled at elite colleges in numbers far above their five percent share of the U.S. population.

Yes, they’re being held down: on a strictly meritocratic basis their numbers would be much higher yet, because of the arithmetic of those distribution tails. Still, strictly measured by demographic proportionality, they’re high.

So yes, we were importing an overclass a hundred years ago. Elite universities dealt with the issue by fudging and chicanery—just as they are dealing with this repeat performance.

There are some key differences, though. Jews are white, which makes things easier to fudge. Also, the high IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is more verbal than visuo-spatial, leading to that dominance in the shaping of opinion.

Asian Americans, by contrast, are much more visible as a group. And their high IQ is more visuo-spatial than verbal, giving us more engineers and scientists, fewer writers, lawyers, comedians, movie and newspaper moguls.

But in both cases, non-Asian gentiles get squeezed. We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more.

Under our current state ideology, the orthodox approach to that hovers somewhere between “Who cares?” and “Serve them right!”

Whether that ideology can be sustained going forward through the 21st century, is an interesting question.

  • Second point main point raised by readers: any merit-based immigration system imports an overclass.

I agree. Consider for example India. The mean IQ of that country is 82. The mean IQ of Indians in the U.S.A., on the other hand, is 106—higher than the mean for white gentile Americans.

So there’s an overclass we’ve imported … from a low-IQ population.

The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000. Every one of those 38,000 very-smart Africans is applying for a U.S. student visa.

Caribbean blacks are, for complicated reasons, somewhat smarter than black Africans. Add them into the mix and we’re importing a small black overclass.

Is this something we should be bothered about? We-e-ell … there are contrary factors to consider.

Under the present regime of chain migration, for example, all those smart Indians and Africans can bring in their way-less-smart siblings, brides, parents, and even cousins. You could argue that long-term that evens out the mix.

ORDER IT NOW

There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean — although not all the way to it, or else Natural Selection wouldn’t work. Given the likelihood of assortative mating, in fact — smart immigrants marrying other smart people — regression all the way back to the population mean is highly improbable, even after many generations.

So, no, this is not a great issue. It is an issue, though — an issue that lurks behind all the happy talk about a merit-based system of immigration.

The first time America imported an overclass, we did so accidentally. When that Great Wave of Ashkenazi Jews came in after 1881, we had only the vaguest ideas about population differentials in intelligence and personality. Psychometry as a quantitative science was just getting started.

Now we understand much more, and can make better decisions. If we import a new overclass today, we’ll be doing it deliberately. We know enough to not do it.

And any overclass we import now will be nonwhite. That follows just from the balance of races in the world being much different than it was 100 years ago.

If you’re a nonwhite who doesn’t like white people, you are fine with that. If you’re a white person living in one of the globalist-bubble districts — big coastal cities, college towns — you may think it’s no big deal, we can all get along.

The rest of us are shaking our heads.

Wait a minute, someone at the back of the hall has a question. Yes, Sir? … OK, for those of you who couldn’t hear, the question was:

“Mr. Derbyshire: You are against mass immigration from south of the border because you don’t want to import a low-IQ, low-human-capital underclass. And you’re against merit-based immigration because you don’t want to import a nonwhite overclass. So who would you let in for permanent settlement?”

To which I’ll give my standard answer.

  • Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
  • Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
  • Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
  • Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
  • A few hundred other special cases per annum — a statutory maximum of one thousand, say — considered individually.
  • Nobody else at all.

We’ve had the doors wide open for fifty years. Time for an assimilation break.

Time for a moratorium.

Not the time to raise the temperature of social discord by heaping further insults and injustices on white gentile Americans.

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. They will be the uber-unter class or over-under class.

    They will rise over white masses but serve as commissars under Jews, Homos, and white cuck elites.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think. They only know how to study, follow, and imitate. So, they will be the commissar class of globo hegemony. They will work against both white patriots and yellow patriots in Asia. They will identify mainly with privilege under globalism.

    Jewish Globalists push Diversity in elite institutions to make all gentile elites identify mainly with Privileged-Diversity than with their own kind.
    British Imperialists did the same thing. They trained diverse elites of all colors to identify primarily with British Imperialism than with their own kind. So, if Hindu, African, Arab, or Asian elites all studied together in British institutions, they would identify more with one another as happy subjects of the British Empire than identify with their own racial kin.

    This system came under attack during the Anti-Imperialist period that accelerated after WWII, which brought upon the Golden Age of Universal Nationalism.
    But Jewish-Homo globo-hegemony centered in the US is pushing a new kind of Universal Imperialism where ALL NATIONS(except Israel) are opened up for massive Inclusion-Invasion or Inclasion and Homomania as the neo-religion.

    If white gentile patriots ruled America, yellows might serve them. But because PC is the official Template of the land, they will serve Jewish/Homo globalists and Mulattoes. Also, they will race-mix with Jews, white cuck elites, and mulattoes. And yellow homos and trannies will esp be favored over yellow straights. They will be Yellow Dogs of globalism. Just look at the daughters of Amy Chua.

    Chewish agents of homo-globalist-imperialism.

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    • Replies: @Bach

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think.
     
    You keep saying that, but Asia is leading. One Belt One Road Initiative, the 21st century Silk Road. The New Development Bank led by China/BRICS. And more to come while America struggles for relevance.
    , @edgeslider
    I more or less agree. In the case of British India, the Hindu elite, the Brahmins, faithfully and obsequiously ran things for the British overlords. And when the British overlords skedaddled out of India, they seamlessly settled into the vacuum until the Indian democracy and demography wised up and put an end to it in some parts of India like the south. Now a lot of these displayed Brahmins (from elite positions) especially in South India, slowly skedaddled into America and are slowly working their way up to be ensconced as over-under lords - Think Sundar Pichai of Gulag.
    , @britishbrainsize1325cclol
    Yellows(beautiful yellow skin is age resistant and cancer resistant) dont serve people with smaller brains (specifically the small brain british) than themselves in other words no other race
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  2. Yan Shen says:

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —

    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren’t these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

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    • Replies: @Logan
    While back read about this. If I remember correctly, there isn't much of a correlation between (at least most) of the upper castes and higher IQ.

    Probably for the simple reason that they bred for breeding rather than for performance. Now if you bred high-IQ strains as such, then you might very well have something in a few generations.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    This surely has some truth in it. It seems likely that the average Indian IQ is much depressed by a caste system which confined large numbers of people to the most menial and cognitively undemanding of tasks for a thousand years or so. Correspondingly, at least some of the higher castes would have been bred for higher IQ - just as the dumb Jew didn't get to marry the rabbi's beautiful young daughter the smart Brahmin or upper commercial caste young man would probably out breed the dimmer.
    , @Anonymous
    Id like to add that not all Indian immigrants are upper caste. People from Gujarat are among the most numerous- they are the ones with surnames like Patel and Shah. They're mostly from an erstwhile peasant caste. And yet their children are filling up medical and engineering schools in the USA. Goes to show you can't really predict what Indian castes are capable of.
    , @Joe Wong
    The Indian maintains their caste system for a reason despite they are the largest democracy in the world, it is an Indian upper castes' builtin fail safe mechanism to make sure that "regression to the mean" does not adversely affect their offspring. Perhaps the slow pace of modernization, the stagnation of social and equality development, the anxiety to be recognized by their ex-colonial master, etc. in India are some of the end products of that builtin fail safe system.
    , @PandaAtWar

    India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes,...
     
    Hahahaha!

    Who exactly are these "high IQ upper castes", Yan Shen?

    Any proven biological/physical characters that differentiate among these castes themselves? and them from other castes, and other races? Or "self-identification" only?

    Avg IQ how high for each of them? C'mon, at least give some rounded-up numbers?

    And what did you mean by "high IQ upper castes"? 80 is high? or 86? or 95 is high? 100? or 120?, 140? 200? ... at least choose one if you are making a specific statement on high IQ .

    errr... any academic quotations on these respective "high IQs " of each of these "upper castes"?

    or any plain vanilla common sense logic to deduce those numbers without too much of wild assumptions?

    or any specific IQ tests on each of these castes? sources?

    or any specific quasi-IQ tests? (e.g.PISA? TIMASS?)

    None. Zero. Zilch. Nada!

    errr... "a minority of high IQ upper castes" as if god-given. LMAO. Love that humour!

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    BTW, are there these kinds of "high IQ upper castes" in Germany? Canada? China? Russia? Iran? Japan? Spain? Belgium? Morocco? United Arab Emirates? Vietnam? Hungry? ... if no, why not by the very same logic of yours ??

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    Again, is your wife or relative an ethnic "high IQ upper caste" Indian, Yan Shen, Panda wonders?

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  3. Yan Shen says:

    I mostly agree with Derb but probably wouldn’t make my criteria as restrictive. Legal immigration is something like 1 million per year right now right? Judging by Wikipedia, that number seems to have stabilized at around slightly over one million per year for the past decade or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#History

    Let’s get that down to say 200,000 or something like that. Or maybe even 100,000. You forgot to add another category of exceptions, Derb. Let’s also uh let in anyone who’s ever been say a Miss Venezuela or Miss Israel or the likes…

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Rule one
    No "dual citizens"

    Rule two
    A waiver of any State or Federal " Benefit" rights,

    Rule three
    Proof of future income.

    None of this crap is hard,
    , @TWS
    No. When we reach a reasonable two hundred million we can discuss maybe two thousand immigrants a year.
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  4. Yan Shen says:

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I’ve stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don’t even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I’m guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I’ve argued elsewhere, is that it’s not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what’s been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line…

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    White Americans wouldn't have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They'd integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don't. They're colonists who don't integrate. It's all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn't mean they're bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don't show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it's bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you're running from.
    , @ziggurat

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?
     
    I often hear the sentiment that immigrants should not advocate a policy that would have prevented them from getting into the country. Another often repeated sentiment is that we are all immigrants. Does this mean that no one can reasonably or ethically support much lower immigration?

    I think it's OK to criticize any policy that you may have personally benefitted from. People can reasonably change their mind, particularly with respect to complicated issues like immigration, of which the media heavily support one side. It may take many years for even curious, open-minded people to recognize the problems. Some people never do, even if born here, either because of the propaganda or for fear of being ostracized for wrong-think.

    Also, the Derbyshire policy is not that restrictive. The first item is allowing "spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens". That alone would be more than 200,000 per year, according to this older article from 2001 by Mark Krikorian (of CIS.org):
    https://cis.org/Legal-Immigration-What-Be-Done

    The average number of spouses and minor children of citizens admitted from fiscal years 1995 through 1998 was about 220,000.
     
    My guess is that the number is probably much higher now (twenty years later in 2017), but I wasn't able to find more recent numbers.

    Another article from 2001 by Roy Beck (of NumbersUSA.com) regrets that about the lowest annual number he thinks is practical would be about 300,000, largely due to spouses and minor children.
    https://cis.org/Roy-Becks-Numbers

    I picked the number [255,000] based on 200,000 spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens ... Trends suggest that my number might rise fairly close to 300,000 before it began coming down strongly.
     
    Are "uh readers" the same as "readers"? Sorry, if that sounds smart-alecky, but are you insinuating they don't really read or something?
    , @Diversity Heretic
    My personal first choice of any group to accept would be Dutch Boers. Hard working, thrifty, and the most race realistic people on the planet.
    , @TomSchmidt
    The problem with white nationalism, as I’ve argued elsewhere, is that it’s not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable

    What makes you think "reasonable"is the standard of governance? A proper leader needs to connect emotionally with the population. There's nothing rational about love of family or tribe or country, but it's the foundation of every lasting nation.

    The reasonable thing is to get out of the USA now with all those bits in a computer rationally indicating wealth. Things are going to get uglyhere, like a newborn baby is ugly. Only the irrational love of its parents sees it to growth, success, and beauty.
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  5. Yan Shen says:

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.

    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations…

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    I agree. I have worked with a few Igbo. They are not pygmies, intellectually or otherwise.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Yes a lot more needs to be known about African intelligence and IQ scores than Lynn or Phil Rushton have ever privided.

    As to the not-so-Gaussian fat tales I guess that it results from pathology on the left hand end and assortative mating whichmeans that those at the right end don't really belong to the same population with random intermarriage that the Gaussian formula presumes.
    , @Anonymous
    Indian Tamils in Singapore, and the Punjabi peasantry in Britain, are drawn from the lower end of the caste spectrum.

    They do much better than Indians in India, but not as well as their white and Chinese neighbors. But definitely better than the Black and Malay populations in those countries.

    That would be the floor of the Indian Hindu/Sikh iq distribution, after correcting malnutrition, poverty etc.

    Upper caste Indians, as shown by their success in silicon valley, can do nearly as well as Jews. If they looked as white as Jews did, they might even do better.
    , @britishbrainsize1325cclol
    Most, no all indians i have met are better at business and have a lot more common sense than chinese people in the US, meaning the rude idiotic cantonese with their shit accent.
    , @survey-of-disinfo
    Are you sure you are East Asian? You display rather notable "verbal IQ". Did you get an Ashkenazi Jew to write these posts for you? [/s]
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  6. He does love him some Yid doesn’t he.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Yeah,

    It is interesting how the Derb refuses to recognise the tribal games they play. I have a very similar work background to the Derb, except for Eurasian and younger. Three SD's above the average for Ashkenazi. It was getting me nowhere in my time in western countries, so leaving.

    ... but my one close Jewish friend in those times was Sephardi, looking like a hairier Arab.

    Nice person, and expert on film, always good company. Would guessing he also had high IQ relative to Ashkenazi mean.

    The invasion of US institutions, they favour their own, so they have inordinate power, which they are using to screw the place up, or just to screw it
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  7. @Yan Shen
    I mostly agree with Derb but probably wouldn't make my criteria as restrictive. Legal immigration is something like 1 million per year right now right? Judging by Wikipedia, that number seems to have stabilized at around slightly over one million per year for the past decade or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#History

    Let's get that down to say 200,000 or something like that. Or maybe even 100,000. You forgot to add another category of exceptions, Derb. Let's also uh let in anyone who's ever been say a Miss Venezuela or Miss Israel or the likes...

    Rule one
    No “dual citizens”

    Rule two
    A waiver of any State or Federal ” Benefit” rights,

    Rule three
    Proof of future income.

    None of this crap is hard,

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    • Replies: @Rdm
    Think twice before you make a wish.

    If this rule is imposed, there would be more Asians celebrating than Europeans.

    Ask Derb if he still has his Queens passport.
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  8. Americano says:

    “We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more.”

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please–pretty please, with whip cream on top–stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics–upon getting an education and leaving the barrio–either become “White” or marry an Anglo and their kids become “White”–hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Good point.

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.
    , @bartok
    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015, e.g.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/

    Implausible to claim that the female applicant base is far superior to the male, but MIT and Caltech both claim thusly. College execs are practiced at lying.
    , @Eagle Eye

    a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it
     
    TWO problems.

    ONE, the story is too neat - college admin wet dream. Also, we are not hearing that she is a Mestiza, so presumably, she is not.

    TWO, Einstein was NOT believed to be "the next Einstein" before he established his own reputation. Einstein was a nobody working at the Swiss Patent Office.

    Einstein himself considered Planck to be the greatest innovator in theoretical physics and continued to feel uneasy about the principles of quantum mechanics - "God playing dice" with the universe.

    , @botazefa
    "According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez"

    Her name is Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski. Why omit her actual surname in your comment body?
    , @Iberiano
    As a "white Hispanic" myself, I would argue that the base problem is the elephant in the room, of which your example is a perfect example. Sabrina Gonzalez is WHITE. Nevermind one of her parents (father) is white (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski), the fact is, like light skinned blacks who go around saying "ya, but both my parents are black!?!?" (when they are both super light skinned), we continue to pretend that the term "Hispanic" or "Latino" means something BEYOND what our own eyes tell us. The most intelligent Hispanics are the MOST IBERIAN, and often have other mixtures such as Italian, Jew, Portuguese, etc (with all that can be mixed with), or in some cases, in Latin America, EVEN GERMAN.

    Someone simply arriving on our shores and being tagged "Latino" demonstrates nothing (a term which was solely created to catagorize for affirmative action purposes--no matter how much Latino/Hispanics complain "that's a term that was put on us!")

    While other Hispanics like to play games with the concept "OMG we are not a race, we are so much more than that, and we can be of any color" my fellow Hispanics are PERFECTLY comfortable acting like "People of Color" when it suits them--or even, ironically, referring to all white people as Anglo, when most Americans have significant German and/or Celtic blood, not to mention the millions of others who are Slavic, Italic or some variant of white Arab/Persian.

    Sabrina Gonzalez Pastersk is a white Cuban, so let's not pretend she is some dark, mestizo coming from some indigenous background (I'd wager she is nearly 100 percent European descent).
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  9. Daniel H says:
    @Americano
    "We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more."

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please--pretty please, with whip cream on top--stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics--upon getting an education and leaving the barrio--either become "White" or marry an Anglo and their kids become "White"--hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

    Good point.

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.

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    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.
     
    This means they ARE like blacks. That is the only other group where being smart is equated with 'acting white'.
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  10. Bach says:
    @Priss Factor
    They will be the uber-unter class or over-under class.

    They will rise over white masses but serve as commissars under Jews, Homos, and white cuck elites.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don't know how to lead or think. They only know how to study, follow, and imitate. So, they will be the commissar class of globo hegemony. They will work against both white patriots and yellow patriots in Asia. They will identify mainly with privilege under globalism.

    Jewish Globalists push Diversity in elite institutions to make all gentile elites identify mainly with Privileged-Diversity than with their own kind.
    British Imperialists did the same thing. They trained diverse elites of all colors to identify primarily with British Imperialism than with their own kind. So, if Hindu, African, Arab, or Asian elites all studied together in British institutions, they would identify more with one another as happy subjects of the British Empire than identify with their own racial kin.

    This system came under attack during the Anti-Imperialist period that accelerated after WWII, which brought upon the Golden Age of Universal Nationalism.
    But Jewish-Homo globo-hegemony centered in the US is pushing a new kind of Universal Imperialism where ALL NATIONS(except Israel) are opened up for massive Inclusion-Invasion or Inclasion and Homomania as the neo-religion.

    If white gentile patriots ruled America, yellows might serve them. But because PC is the official Template of the land, they will serve Jewish/Homo globalists and Mulattoes. Also, they will race-mix with Jews, white cuck elites, and mulattoes. And yellow homos and trannies will esp be favored over yellow straights. They will be Yellow Dogs of globalism. Just look at the daughters of Amy Chua.

    Chewish agents of homo-globalist-imperialism.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think.

    You keep saying that, but Asia is leading. One Belt One Road Initiative, the 21st century Silk Road. The New Development Bank led by China/BRICS. And more to come while America struggles for relevance.

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    Well one might say that Mao left too much of his thinking to Marx and Lenin but its hardly possible to deny him serious leadership qualities and the same is true of his successors as well.
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  11. Bach says:

    The first time America imported an overclass, we did so accidentally.

    Really? After 2000 years of experience? It was just an accident?

    we had only the vaguest ideas about population differentials in intelligence and personality. Psychometry as a quantitative science was just getting started.

    So it’s just a simple difference in IQ and personality that makes Jews more successful? They’re just smarter and more hard working?

    Sounds very innocent.

    The rest of us are shaking our heads.

    If America makes it about race not respect for native society/culture, humanity will be shaking its head. We need an immigration moratorium, but not because we fear new overlords.

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    Having a migration moratorium is a reasonable thing that most people would support. But by mixing it up with racist sentiment they shot themelves in the foot. Most people would not be supportive of such a moratorium if the main motivation is racial. This is why i think the anti migrant movement will remain a fringe coumminty instead of gaining acceptence in the mainstream.
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  12. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.”

    Like the valorous freedom fighters who sodomized Colonel Gaddafi to death for the cackling Mrs. Clinton?

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    I noticed that too. I guess the writer likes folks who betray their own in favor of an outsider.
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  13. Derbyshire, I do believe you are in the early stages of dementia. You state that Jews are 25% of Harvard. No one cares about Harvard. When Bill Gates dropped out, that was the end of Harvard. Jews/Asians/blacks cannot create a college that any gentile would want to attend. Brandeis is a Jewish university but no one cares about it. Why? Because Jews/Asians/blacks are considered inferiors and have no cachet. Your Chinese offspring are a perfect example of this. You’re scribbling the same stuff over and over. How about you stop writing for a while. When you do want to write something, let it be your farewell letter to the USA and your plans for life in yellowtopia (Taiwan, China, etc.).

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  14. Rod1963 says:
    @Yan Shen

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .
     
    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I've stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don't even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I'm guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I've argued elsewhere, is that it's not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what's been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line...

    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don’t. They’re colonists who don’t integrate. It’s all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn’t mean they’re bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don’t show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.

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    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.
     
    Thanks for the comedy.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.
     
    Which one of the following, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even mainland China given its rapid development in recent years, is a hell hole either in general or specifically compared to powerhouses such as Poland or Romania?

    If anything much of the rhetoric not only in the mainstream media but around the Unz blogosphere seems to be why America can't have nice things like they do in say Japan...

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/japans-exclusionary-nationalism-a-striking-essay/

    , @Thirdeye
    Tribalism is largely (but not exclusively) a function of socio-economic stagnation. Hispanics assimilate and interbreed when they are upwardly mobile. The less adept ones are less secure in dealing with the mainstream and remain more dependent on the network of La Familia. The lower socioeconomic rungs among Asian immigrants, largely represented by southeast Asian groups (who come from more tribal societies to start with) remain insular. And among the less wealthy Hispanics and Asians, they often live in environments where sticking with the in-group is a matter of physical safety because they rub elbows with America's most violent group, lower class blacks. Wealthier Asians who surmount the language barrier get more exposed to the mainstream and have power in the sexual marketplace beyond their own group. And Asian women, according to data from dating websites, have risen to the top in desirability to all other groups. Even Jews have a high rate of intermarriage, to the point that ethno-obsessive Jews worry about the dilution of Jewish identity. Even someone like the Orthodox Jared Kushner has a dick that overrides his ethnic chauvinism in choice of a breeding partner. The most attractive Jewish women are ones who don't really look Jewish.

    There is nothing to support the idea that cultural norms associated with northeast Asia - orderliness, conscientiousness, diligence, contribution to the group - would not push American culture in a positive direction if they ever became influential. They might grate against our rugged individualist sensibilities, but they might increase social functionality.
    , @Corvinus
    "White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before."

    Late 1800's nativists referred to Eastern and Southern Europeans as the "dregs" of society, given their socialist and anarchist tendencies, as well as their vile Roman Catholic upbringing.

    Alt Right leader Vox Days makes it clear that most immigrants should go back. He says "We've lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn't be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers."

    So, everyone, unless you are able to directly trace your ancestors back to the original colonists, the British, you are utterly undesirable, and you have to go back.

    More from Vox Day..."No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic."

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, to put into his vernacular. So the Carl Schurz's of the world are in essence barbarian, and hundreds of millions of Americans are essentially fake. We all have to go back.
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  15. I say let’s have mass emigration. Let non-whites emigrate to non-white nations so that they won’t be oppressed by white privilege.

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    That's what non-Whites have been doing. They're migrating to non-White nations, i,e., Native America. Or South Asians migrating to Aborigines land -- Australia.

    Do you think East Asians are so desperate to migrate to Poland? Norway?
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  16. Thomm says:
    @Daniel H
    Good point.

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.

    This means they ARE like blacks. That is the only other group where being smart is equated with ‘acting white’.

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    Indians? Feather, not dot.
    , @Anon
    Except that seeing themselves as white is a valid option for a lot of Hispanics.
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  17. Thomm says:

    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people. Even with their spouses and minor children, this would come to 300,000 per year.

    This is a lower cutoff than the ‘Nobel Prize-level’ that Derb flippantly assigns (most people earn the Nobel Prize at a very late age). I think anyone who can be in a $200K+/year profession should be allowed, as that is already the 95th percentile of the native population.

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

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    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people.

    We're perfectly capable of educating and training a professional-managerial stratum domestically. Immigration flows should be at a level to supply the fertility deficits we suffer or should be characteristic in dimension of those which prevailed between 1790 and 1840 and between 1924 and 1965. That would mean an annual issue of settler's visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year. Applicants could be subject to an English proficiency test, a physical, and a background check and then given a place in a first-come-first-served queue. If an applicant got married or sired a child, the dependents could be added to the application and the set assigned a common position in the queue reflecting an average of when each person in the family entered the queue (at birth, at the date of marriage, or at the date of application). We could have a rule that applications from most Muslim countries would be accepted only from families with children or from older-married couples.

    The annual issue of temporary residency visas is properly equal to a function of the number of verified departures of temporary residents over the previous half-dozen years, so the ratio of temporary residents to natives and settlers could remain fixed; such temporary visas are properly limited to diplomatic and quasi-diplomatic personnel, refugees, students and teachers, and dependents of the foregoing. Refugees are properly admitted retail, with care of refugees generally provided in camps near the countries of origin.

    We benefit from people who have a demonstrated affinity for life in this country. As long as they're not a public charge, it shouldn't matter what their skill set is.

    , @Twinkie
    To Napoleon is attributed the saying, “moral is to physical as three is to one.” In immigration terms, this means patriotism - sense of civic duty, if you will - is more important than mean income. The Manhattan Institute already tracks this (or a good proxy of it): https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    High-income, meritocratic elite is all nice and all, but what’s better is an elite with noblesse oblige that cares about their cognitive inferiors.

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  18. ziggurat says:
    @Yan Shen

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .
     
    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I've stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don't even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I'm guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I've argued elsewhere, is that it's not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what's been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line...

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I often hear the sentiment that immigrants should not advocate a policy that would have prevented them from getting into the country. Another often repeated sentiment is that we are all immigrants. Does this mean that no one can reasonably or ethically support much lower immigration?

    I think it’s OK to criticize any policy that you may have personally benefitted from. People can reasonably change their mind, particularly with respect to complicated issues like immigration, of which the media heavily support one side. It may take many years for even curious, open-minded people to recognize the problems. Some people never do, even if born here, either because of the propaganda or for fear of being ostracized for wrong-think.

    Also, the Derbyshire policy is not that restrictive. The first item is allowing “spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens”. That alone would be more than 200,000 per year, according to this older article from 2001 by Mark Krikorian (of CIS.org):

    https://cis.org/Legal-Immigration-What-Be-Done

    The average number of spouses and minor children of citizens admitted from fiscal years 1995 through 1998 was about 220,000.

    My guess is that the number is probably much higher now (twenty years later in 2017), but I wasn’t able to find more recent numbers.

    Another article from 2001 by Roy Beck (of NumbersUSA.com) regrets that about the lowest annual number he thinks is practical would be about 300,000, largely due to spouses and minor children.

    https://cis.org/Roy-Becks-Numbers

    I picked the number [255,000] based on 200,000 spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens … Trends suggest that my number might rise fairly close to 300,000 before it began coming down strongly.

    Are “uh readers” the same as “readers”? Sorry, if that sounds smart-alecky, but are you insinuating they don’t really read or something?

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    Okay my bad on the spouses and dependent children part. When I said that we could cut legal immigration down to 100,000-200,000 per year, that was sans spouses and dependent children. If that alone is about 300,000 each year, I'm thinking a more realistic goal then is for America to halve the current number of legal immigrants per year from over 1 million to maybe around 500,000 or so.

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn't seem entirely realistic.

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  19. TWS says:
    @Yan Shen
    I mostly agree with Derb but probably wouldn't make my criteria as restrictive. Legal immigration is something like 1 million per year right now right? Judging by Wikipedia, that number seems to have stabilized at around slightly over one million per year for the past decade or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#History

    Let's get that down to say 200,000 or something like that. Or maybe even 100,000. You forgot to add another category of exceptions, Derb. Let's also uh let in anyone who's ever been say a Miss Venezuela or Miss Israel or the likes...

    No. When we reach a reasonable two hundred million we can discuss maybe two thousand immigrants a year.

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    By the time you reach 200 million what will be your peoportion of whites?
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  20. Yan Shen says:

    Well I’d love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn’t have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you’re on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it’s been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we’re only talking about permanent settlement, if I’m understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn’t be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here’s the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren’t that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they’re drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I’m actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country’s agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

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    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we’re only talking about permanent settlement, if I’m understanding the argument correctly.
     
    Forgive my ignorance and add in another uh 250,000-300,000 a year perhaps for spouses and dependent children of US citizens.
    , @Thomm

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal.
     
    You are right, of course. Neither China nor India are seeing a large percentage quantity of emigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    The notion that 'all Chinese and Indians want to come here' has not been true for a while. Of course, these WN wiggers never look at data, as it is above their IQ grade.

    , @Discard
    India and Pakistan were ruled by fewer than a million Britons, including dependents. Hey Ghandi, there's only about 800,000 of them, so what's your beef?

    Even one overbearing foreigner is too many.
    , @PandaAtWar
    Yan Shen, Panda is very disappointed by this post of yours. The way you argued here is terminologically, hence logically, very messy by seeminglessly jumping back and forth amongst 3 concepts of "Asians", "East Asians" , and "Chinese and Indians"( as if "Indians" is an obligatory term that must be attached whenever the word "Chinese" appears).

    On top of that, the absurdly stubborn way you stick to the claim of "high IQ Indian casts" with no apparent logical reason has made Panda already in awe...

    Panda thus wonders, Yan, do you have "high caste" Indian wife? or gf? or boss? or biz partner? who would castrate you if you speak a "wrong" word they are not used to, or something?

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  21. Yan Shen says:
    @ziggurat

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?
     
    I often hear the sentiment that immigrants should not advocate a policy that would have prevented them from getting into the country. Another often repeated sentiment is that we are all immigrants. Does this mean that no one can reasonably or ethically support much lower immigration?

    I think it's OK to criticize any policy that you may have personally benefitted from. People can reasonably change their mind, particularly with respect to complicated issues like immigration, of which the media heavily support one side. It may take many years for even curious, open-minded people to recognize the problems. Some people never do, even if born here, either because of the propaganda or for fear of being ostracized for wrong-think.

    Also, the Derbyshire policy is not that restrictive. The first item is allowing "spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens". That alone would be more than 200,000 per year, according to this older article from 2001 by Mark Krikorian (of CIS.org):
    https://cis.org/Legal-Immigration-What-Be-Done

    The average number of spouses and minor children of citizens admitted from fiscal years 1995 through 1998 was about 220,000.
     
    My guess is that the number is probably much higher now (twenty years later in 2017), but I wasn't able to find more recent numbers.

    Another article from 2001 by Roy Beck (of NumbersUSA.com) regrets that about the lowest annual number he thinks is practical would be about 300,000, largely due to spouses and minor children.
    https://cis.org/Roy-Becks-Numbers

    I picked the number [255,000] based on 200,000 spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens ... Trends suggest that my number might rise fairly close to 300,000 before it began coming down strongly.
     
    Are "uh readers" the same as "readers"? Sorry, if that sounds smart-alecky, but are you insinuating they don't really read or something?

    Okay my bad on the spouses and dependent children part. When I said that we could cut legal immigration down to 100,000-200,000 per year, that was sans spouses and dependent children. If that alone is about 300,000 each year, I’m thinking a more realistic goal then is for America to halve the current number of legal immigrants per year from over 1 million to maybe around 500,000 or so.

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn’t seem entirely realistic.

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    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn’t seem entirely realistic.
     
    Of course is isn't realistic. If that happened, the same people would be whining about 'Outsourcing of jobs' and stagnant house prices in need of a government bailout.

    Not to mention a wider trade deficit with China than currently exists.
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  22. Yan Shen says:
    @Rod1963
    White Americans wouldn't have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They'd integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don't. They're colonists who don't integrate. It's all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn't mean they're bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don't show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it's bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you're running from.

    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Thanks for the comedy.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.

    Which one of the following, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even mainland China given its rapid development in recent years, is a hell hole either in general or specifically compared to powerhouses such as Poland or Romania?

    If anything much of the rhetoric not only in the mainstream media but around the Unz blogosphere seems to be why America can’t have nice things like they do in say Japan…

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/japans-exclusionary-nationalism-a-striking-essay/

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    Mainland China is very much a hellhole compared to any state in Eastern Europe. Despite what maoist suckers sometimes published here on unz will tell you, only the coastal part of China is up to par, and it was so for all of their history.
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  23. @Bach

    The first time America imported an overclass, we did so accidentally.
     
    Really? After 2000 years of experience? It was just an accident?

    we had only the vaguest ideas about population differentials in intelligence and personality. Psychometry as a quantitative science was just getting started.
     
    So it's just a simple difference in IQ and personality that makes Jews more successful? They're just smarter and more hard working?

    Sounds very innocent.

    The rest of us are shaking our heads.
     
    If America makes it about race not respect for native society/culture, humanity will be shaking its head. We need an immigration moratorium, but not because we fear new overlords.

    Having a migration moratorium is a reasonable thing that most people would support. But by mixing it up with racist sentiment they shot themelves in the foot. Most people would not be supportive of such a moratorium if the main motivation is racial. This is why i think the anti migrant movement will remain a fringe coumminty instead of gaining acceptence in the mainstream.

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    It's the left that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it's a "dog whistle." Same as economics. Then it becomes about "preserving white privilege."

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don't want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university seats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become "disadvantaged" and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don't give a shit. I'll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.
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  24. Yan Shen says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I'd love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn't have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you're on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it's been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we're only talking about permanent settlement, if I'm understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn't be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here's the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren't that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they're drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I'm actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country's agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we’re only talking about permanent settlement, if I’m understanding the argument correctly.

    Forgive my ignorance and add in another uh 250,000-300,000 a year perhaps for spouses and dependent children of US citizens.

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  25. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I'd love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn't have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you're on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it's been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we're only talking about permanent settlement, if I'm understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn't be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here's the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren't that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they're drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I'm actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country's agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal.

    You are right, of course. Neither China nor India are seeing a large percentage quantity of emigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while. Of course, these WN wiggers never look at data, as it is above their IQ grade.

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    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let's do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I'll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let's not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It's Smugtown
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  26. Yan Shen says:

    But let me make a far more important point that many here seem to be missing. Given today’s increasingly global economy, limiting East Asian immigration is hardly the panacea that many assume it’ll be. If only we didn’t have to compete against quantitatively adept East Asian immigrants in this country, you often hear people say on Unz!

    Alas, as the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s proved, competition today is global. As I stated in an earlier thread, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you! From an article back in 1991…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.f4b209705d60

    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan’s remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the “Japanese peril.” The Japanese “salaryman’s” arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.

    Europe’s computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands’ electronics giant Philips, Italy’s Olivetti and France’s Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.

    If I were Derbyshire or anyone else here, I would be far less concerned about the 5 million or so Chinese Americans in this country and far more concerned about the rise of a population of 1380 million, more than 10x that of Japan, and what that might hold for the future of American competitiveness. If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country. I believe you’re missing the forest for the trees here Derb!

    Someone like Eammon Fingleton on the other hand seems to be much more on top of such things.

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    "If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country."

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we've imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don't want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?
    , @Priss Factor
    If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do?

    Paradoxically, China will be less of a danger than Japan precisely because it is a bigger nation. China is big enough to be satisfied with itself. Sure, it wants to do business with the world and make money, but China doesn't need to conquer or control other nations to be a great power. It doesn't need an empire since it is an empire-nation.

    Same goes for Russia. It's big enough to be great on its own. Sure, Russians are underachievers, but Russia doesn't need more land or more territory to make a mark in the world. It is great with what it has.

    The reason why Japan and Germany became so problematic(far more so than China or Russia) was the discrepancy between their ambitions and limitations. If both nations had been content in being nice normal nations, there would have been no problem. But Germany looked at Great Britain and France as models, great world powers with giant empires. Germany wanted to be great too and concluded it needed an empire of its own. As for Japan, it wanted to be the dominant Asian power but didn't have enough land and resources to ensure such destiny.
    If China has modernized at the same time Japan did in the 19th century, then China would have developed as a modern industrial power too, and then, Japan would have acknowledged China as the major Asian power. Japan would not have developed an oversized ambition(that was only possible because China was seen as the Sick Man of Asia). As it happened, China was slow to modernize whereas Japan did it overnight. Flush with power and success, Japan wanted to remain the main Asian power indefinitely. At the time, Japan was much smaller than China but much stronger. China was much bigger than Japan but much weaker. This contradiction led to the great war between the two nations.

    But things are different now. Today, China has a bigger economy than Japan and is a stronger power. Things are more natural and normal.

    Will newly risen China act like Japan in the first half of the 20th century? We won't have that problem because China's ambitions are limited to coastal areas. China has no interest in taking over any other part of the world. It is satisfied with its own size. Also, it has enough problems within its own borders. It only wants to do business.

    The main problem comes from Jews because of the contradictions of their power. Jews are the most powerful people in the world but also the smallest of all the major powers.
    This leads to great neurosis in the Jewish mind that is filled with megalomania and super-anxiety.
    Jews are stronger than Chinese, Hindus, Russians, Anglos, Germans, Japanese, French, Iranians, but there are far fewer Jews than the populations of major gentile nations. Japan has over 110 million, Germany has 80 million, Russia has 125 million, etc. There are 13 million Jews in the world. And their own nation, Israel, is small. Jews control US(the most powerful nation on earth), UK, Canada, and etc, BUT their power depends on White Submissivism.

    This is why Jews denounce any sign of White Identity and Interest as 'white supremacism'. Without white gentiles putting Jewish interests before white interests, Jewish supremacism cannot be sustained because Jews don't have the numbers. Jews are like a mind that needs control other bodies.
    This is why Jews hate nationalism in all nations except in Israel. Nationalism makes the people of that nation think mainly of their own kind, their own race and culture. Also, universal nationalism means peace among gentile nations, and that means each nation can mind its own business and do what is best for itself.

    It is to the interest of Jewish Supremacism to have gentiles hate gentiles: US vs Muslims, EU vs Russia, US vs China, Saudis vs Iran, etc. This way, gentiles will be too busy hating one another to focus on what is best for their own nations. When gentiles hate gentiles, Jews get in between and manipulate both sides. Consider how American Jews declared New Cold War on Russia while Netanyahu and Russian Jews assure Putin that they are doing their best to improve things for Russia.

    If most peoples think nationally, they will come to the conclusion that it's not an advantage to them to support Jewish supremacism. It is because they think globally that they are so confused and lost. If they can't be for their own kind, what or whom should they be for? This is where Jewish agents step in and serve as consultants of navigating in globalist waters. Of course, the advice leads to even more loss and confusion, and then, Jews offer yet more advice on what to do, which only makes things worse since that advice is really meant to serve Jewish interests than gentile national interests. I mean, according to Jewish advice, Europeans must import tons of more non-whites in order for Europe to 'survive'. Now, any such advice would sound crazy to a sane person, but the Holocaust Cult has instilled white gentiles with the image of Jews as holy people with wisest opinions.

    So, Jewish supremacist wars made a mess of the Muslim World and then unleashed tons of refugees(aided by Soros and gang) who flood into Europe. And all those cucked out Germans think their main role is to serve 'refugees', Muslims, and Africans than serve their own kind. When Germans and such people put the interests of the Other above their own kind, it means white submissivism that can easily be manipulated to serve Jewish interests.
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  27. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen
    Okay my bad on the spouses and dependent children part. When I said that we could cut legal immigration down to 100,000-200,000 per year, that was sans spouses and dependent children. If that alone is about 300,000 each year, I'm thinking a more realistic goal then is for America to halve the current number of legal immigrants per year from over 1 million to maybe around 500,000 or so.

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn't seem entirely realistic.

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn’t seem entirely realistic.

    Of course is isn’t realistic. If that happened, the same people would be whining about ‘Outsourcing of jobs’ and stagnant house prices in need of a government bailout.

    Not to mention a wider trade deficit with China than currently exists.

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    The murderers of Daniel Shaver - Officer Philip Brailsford and Sergeant Charles Langley - should be pursued by The Kindly Ones until the day that they hang themselves.

    https://youtu.be/VBUUx0jUKxc

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  29. I think America should follow China’s system, don’t give citizenship no matter what, not even marriage. But allow foreigners to have residency permits for doing business, work,marriage etc.

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  30. Yee says:

    There’s a higher percentage of native-born Americans living aboard than the Chinese. Like everyone else, Americans also emigrating….

    There’s a distinct difference in discussions of immigration issue on the US forums and Chinese forums. On Chinese forums, there’re always forumers asking “if we’re mean to other race people, what will happen to our people living overseas?” I’ve never seen Americans asking the same.

    Americans talking about nationalism? What a joke! The US is a country for opportunists. All your laws and all your teachings is about self-interest, personal this personal that. Immigrants are opportunists, they’re right at home in the US. Why should anyone there “go back”?

    You’d do better recognize the nature of the country and act accordingly.

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    Because Joe average doesn't need our want you here? Because it's not your country? Because my ancestors arrived with the mammoth? Take your pick. Then go home.
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  31. For this idea to work the title of the post should be changed from “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass” to “Time to Stop Importing Anyone.”

    Why? Because we are at an inflection point where automation technology is beginning to disrupt our entire economic system. Job destruction is beginning to accelerate and since the pool of jobs is shrinking why invite anyone outside of the U.S. into the pool? Additional workers will simply suppress the wages of existing or aspiring U.S. workers. Anyway, how else do you expect anyone besides hetero white males to have sympathy with this topic?

    The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time ( Kurzgesagt Video )

    The Rise of the Robots ( Book )

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1780748485/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=kurzgesagt-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=1780748485&linkId=e7072cbb5e1e1d84694f7d82b4a20541

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  32. Good article by John. I don’t think that spouses of U.S. citizens or dependent children should qualify for automatic residence status. There’s a Canadian Indian tribe withe an explicit “marry out, move out” policy. (I think that they have controls in place to prevent significant in-breeding). Love your country, love it’s prospective spouses! Some of the other commentators have noted how large a category the spouses and dependent children are, and naturalized citizens or even first-generation native born who marry people from the “Old Country” perpetuate a sub-culture that resists assimilation.

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  33. @Yan Shen

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .
     
    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I've stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don't even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I'm guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I've argued elsewhere, is that it's not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what's been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line...

    My personal first choice of any group to accept would be Dutch Boers. Hard working, thrifty, and the most race realistic people on the planet.

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    They are nice people, but five minutes of listening to a Boer accent is five minutes you will very much wish you spent doing anything else.
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  34. WHAT says:
    @Yan Shen

    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.
     
    Thanks for the comedy.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.
     
    Which one of the following, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even mainland China given its rapid development in recent years, is a hell hole either in general or specifically compared to powerhouses such as Poland or Romania?

    If anything much of the rhetoric not only in the mainstream media but around the Unz blogosphere seems to be why America can't have nice things like they do in say Japan...

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/japans-exclusionary-nationalism-a-striking-essay/

    Mainland China is very much a hellhole compared to any state in Eastern Europe. Despite what maoist suckers sometimes published here on unz will tell you, only the coastal part of China is up to par, and it was so for all of their history.

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    To put things in perspective it makes sense
    to compare China to its neighbors like Japan,
    Korea, and Russia, using GDP (PPP) per capita
    as a quantitative measure /2016 data/:

    China $15,400
    S. Korea $37,700
    Japan $41, 300
    Russia $26,500

    China is at the very bottom. Compared to Japan
    China is a very unimpressive country.

    How about Africa?

    Algeria $15,000
    Botswana $17,000
    Gabon $19,000

    Finally,

    the United States $57,400

    So 4000 years of history, and all that China
    has to show for it is GDP per capita comparable
    to a number of African countries. The Chinese
    need to go to Japan and learn from the masters
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  35. Discard says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I'd love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn't have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you're on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it's been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we're only talking about permanent settlement, if I'm understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn't be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here's the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren't that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they're drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I'm actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country's agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

    India and Pakistan were ruled by fewer than a million Britons, including dependents. Hey Ghandi, there’s only about 800,000 of them, so what’s your beef?

    Even one overbearing foreigner is too many.

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  36. bartok says:
    @Americano
    "We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more."

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please--pretty please, with whip cream on top--stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics--upon getting an education and leaving the barrio--either become "White" or marry an Anglo and their kids become "White"--hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015, e.g.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/

    Implausible to claim that the female applicant base is far superior to the male, but MIT and Caltech both claim thusly. College execs are practiced at lying.

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    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015,
     
    If that is true, CalTech has destroyed itself.

    On pure merit, an elite STE school like CalTech is unlikely to ever be more than 15% female.
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  37. Yan Shen says:

    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

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    Importing Orientals to do the racism that Americans won't do.
    , @britishbrainsize1325cclol
    That mainland chinese nerd is a fool, idiot does not realise those kids protesting are on his side hope he realises this sooner than later.
    , @Twinkie
    The site won’t let me hand out the troll card again.

    That’s a good video, but you are overusing it and making it less and less endearing. Stop grinding it.
    , @dcite
    You have to be a librarian to understand the beauty of that guy. Thank you.
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  38. Art Deco says:
    @Thomm
    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people. Even with their spouses and minor children, this would come to 300,000 per year.

    This is a lower cutoff than the 'Nobel Prize-level' that Derb flippantly assigns (most people earn the Nobel Prize at a very late age). I think anyone who can be in a $200K+/year profession should be allowed, as that is already the 95th percentile of the native population.

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people.

    We’re perfectly capable of educating and training a professional-managerial stratum domestically. Immigration flows should be at a level to supply the fertility deficits we suffer or should be characteristic in dimension of those which prevailed between 1790 and 1840 and between 1924 and 1965. That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year. Applicants could be subject to an English proficiency test, a physical, and a background check and then given a place in a first-come-first-served queue. If an applicant got married or sired a child, the dependents could be added to the application and the set assigned a common position in the queue reflecting an average of when each person in the family entered the queue (at birth, at the date of marriage, or at the date of application). We could have a rule that applications from most Muslim countries would be accepted only from families with children or from older-married couples.

    The annual issue of temporary residency visas is properly equal to a function of the number of verified departures of temporary residents over the previous half-dozen years, so the ratio of temporary residents to natives and settlers could remain fixed; such temporary visas are properly limited to diplomatic and quasi-diplomatic personnel, refugees, students and teachers, and dependents of the foregoing. Refugees are properly admitted retail, with care of refugees generally provided in camps near the countries of origin.

    We benefit from people who have a demonstrated affinity for life in this country. As long as they’re not a public charge, it shouldn’t matter what their skill set is.

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    That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year.
     
    As you can see, my number is even lower than that :

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    Now then, what is assimiliation?

    Many aspects are subjective (it is safe to say that SJW whites have fully 'de-assimilated' from any values that made the West great. Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Hence, the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :
    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?
    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?

    These are the two metrics that matter.

    Watching baseball and eating processed, unhealthy food like hotdogs and factory-made apple pies is not 'assimilation'. Nothing is wrong with celebrating the Chinese new year and eating with chopsticks, if you came from China. As long as you meet the two criteria above.

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  39. BozoB says:

    I never see figures for the historical percentages of Jews in the U.S. population when the discussion of Ivy League quotas comes up. Without them, how can we judge how severe these numeri clausi were? How about an open discussion of a simple question: What claims do newcomers have on the rest of a country’s people? When millions of Jews arrived around the start of the 20th century and the universities set limits on them, was this immoral? Was it really evidence of “antisemitism” or “racism”? How reasonable is it that even today many Jews look back on these quotas as evidence of something horrible and shameful in American history? The matter is not academic, because the thrust of all the main media today is to vilify native (European) peoples who don’t react with joy to the arrival of large numbers of foreigners. Is the only ethical path a sort of via crucis for the natives, forever witnessing the dissolution of their own culture by the arrival of strangers? Is the desire for stability and normality tantamount to genocide? (And should I drink less coffee?)

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  40. @Yan Shen

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .
     
    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I've stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don't even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I'm guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I've argued elsewhere, is that it's not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what's been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line...

    The problem with white nationalism, as I’ve argued elsewhere, is that it’s not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable

    What makes you think “reasonable”is the standard of governance? A proper leader needs to connect emotionally with the population. There’s nothing rational about love of family or tribe or country, but it’s the foundation of every lasting nation.

    The reasonable thing is to get out of the USA now with all those bits in a computer rationally indicating wealth. Things are going to get uglyhere, like a newborn baby is ugly. Only the irrational love of its parents sees it to growth, success, and beauty.

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  41. Eagle Eye says:
    @Americano
    "We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more."

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please--pretty please, with whip cream on top--stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics--upon getting an education and leaving the barrio--either become "White" or marry an Anglo and their kids become "White"--hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

    a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it

    TWO problems.

    ONE, the story is too neat – college admin wet dream. Also, we are not hearing that she is a Mestiza, so presumably, she is not.

    TWO, Einstein was NOT believed to be “the next Einstein” before he established his own reputation. Einstein was a nobody working at the Swiss Patent Office.

    Einstein himself considered Planck to be the greatest innovator in theoretical physics and continued to feel uneasy about the principles of quantum mechanics – “God playing dice” with the universe.

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    Also her real name is "Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski," Pasterski being her father's name. I would bet he's Jewish.
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  42. Discard says:
    @Yan Shen
    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    Importing Orientals to do the racism that Americans won’t do.

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  43. Could we at least stop importing the underclass? This time, in NYC, from Bangladesh.

    Choice NYT comment: “I couldn’t agree more. It is incumbent on us, as Americans, to kowtow to every terrorist demand and when regular folks from another culture warn us that they will riot if we make a decision that has nothing to do with them or if we draw a picture that offends people thousands of miles away, we should respect their intolerance.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/nyregion/explosion-times-square.html#permid=25181820:25182424

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  44. jtgw says:
    @Eagle Eye

    a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it
     
    TWO problems.

    ONE, the story is too neat - college admin wet dream. Also, we are not hearing that she is a Mestiza, so presumably, she is not.

    TWO, Einstein was NOT believed to be "the next Einstein" before he established his own reputation. Einstein was a nobody working at the Swiss Patent Office.

    Einstein himself considered Planck to be the greatest innovator in theoretical physics and continued to feel uneasy about the principles of quantum mechanics - "God playing dice" with the universe.

    Also her real name is “Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski,” Pasterski being her father’s name. I would bet he’s Jewish.

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    Pasterski is a Polish name. Sabrina's father is Polish
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  45. Logan says:
    @Yan Shen

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —
     
    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren't these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

    While back read about this. If I remember correctly, there isn’t much of a correlation between (at least most) of the upper castes and higher IQ.

    Probably for the simple reason that they bred for breeding rather than for performance. Now if you bred high-IQ strains as such, then you might very well have something in a few generations.

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  46. Logan says:
    @Thomm

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.
     
    This means they ARE like blacks. That is the only other group where being smart is equated with 'acting white'.

    Indians? Feather, not dot.

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  47. Truth says:

    Dude, you imported an overclass into your own bedroom.

    Uh-till-AAAH; where are you?!?!?

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  48. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.
     
    This means they ARE like blacks. That is the only other group where being smart is equated with 'acting white'.

    Except that seeing themselves as white is a valid option for a lot of Hispanics.

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  49. Thomm says:
    @bartok
    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015, e.g.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/

    Implausible to claim that the female applicant base is far superior to the male, but MIT and Caltech both claim thusly. College execs are practiced at lying.

    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015,

    If that is true, CalTech has destroyed itself.

    On pure merit, an elite STE school like CalTech is unlikely to ever be more than 15% female.

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  50. Thomm says:
    @Art Deco
    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people.

    We're perfectly capable of educating and training a professional-managerial stratum domestically. Immigration flows should be at a level to supply the fertility deficits we suffer or should be characteristic in dimension of those which prevailed between 1790 and 1840 and between 1924 and 1965. That would mean an annual issue of settler's visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year. Applicants could be subject to an English proficiency test, a physical, and a background check and then given a place in a first-come-first-served queue. If an applicant got married or sired a child, the dependents could be added to the application and the set assigned a common position in the queue reflecting an average of when each person in the family entered the queue (at birth, at the date of marriage, or at the date of application). We could have a rule that applications from most Muslim countries would be accepted only from families with children or from older-married couples.

    The annual issue of temporary residency visas is properly equal to a function of the number of verified departures of temporary residents over the previous half-dozen years, so the ratio of temporary residents to natives and settlers could remain fixed; such temporary visas are properly limited to diplomatic and quasi-diplomatic personnel, refugees, students and teachers, and dependents of the foregoing. Refugees are properly admitted retail, with care of refugees generally provided in camps near the countries of origin.

    We benefit from people who have a demonstrated affinity for life in this country. As long as they're not a public charge, it shouldn't matter what their skill set is.

    That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year.

    As you can see, my number is even lower than that :

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    Now then, what is assimiliation?

    Many aspects are subjective (it is safe to say that SJW whites have fully ‘de-assimilated’ from any values that made the West great. Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Hence, the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :
    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?
    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?

    These are the two metrics that matter.

    Watching baseball and eating processed, unhealthy food like hotdogs and factory-made apple pies is not ‘assimilation’. Nothing is wrong with celebrating the Chinese new year and eating with chopsticks, if you came from China. As long as you meet the two criteria above.

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    Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Very few people are 'pure Anglo-Saxons'. In this country, about 35% of the population is predominantly descended from pre-1840 immigration and settlement streams. No clue as to what their share is among SJWs. The primary nuisances at the campus I'm best acquainted with had a number of backgrounds (one was walking around with an Italian name and a taste for sodomy, a couple had German names, another was a mulatto woman, another was Sinhalese). Fundamentally, academics have more in common with each other than they do with their own non-professor cousins; the guild is more important than the ethnos.
    , @Vinteuil
    "...the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :

    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?

    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?"

    May I suggest a couple of additional requirements?

    iii) Do they understand what the word "assimilation" means?

    iv) Do they really & provably want to "assimilate" to the native population, and not the other way around?
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  51. Brabantian says: • Website

    To summarise a very striking John Derbyshire article & state some key discussion points & implications … i.e., ‘How the USA was invaded & dominated by Jews & Asians’:

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that

    (a) Other tribals / ethnics significantly do not assimilate as claimed in ‘multi-cultural dream’ propaganda, and

    (b) So-called ‘meritocracy’ merely forfeits power & influence to whatever group of ethnics / tribals can best game the offered ‘merit’ system, immiserating the local natives

    In 1880-1920 a great many Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to the USA, who had greatly higher IQs than natives

    These Jews became an intrinsic problem, because they resist assimilation, keep significant tribal co-operation & mutual assistance, & because their particular IQ aspects & tribal traits, lead Jews to -

    (a) Greatly & successfully control much of media & academia, ‘framing’ information & discourse where they live, for their own benefit

    (b) Significantly augment the oligarchy in power, trading on centuries of history as ‘court Jews’, eagerness to serve rulers as a tribal survival technique … a fact well-known to oligarchs in modern times, who prize Jews as their most effective servants or mafias, with charges of ‘anti-Semitism’ able to be hurled at anyone questioning these arrangements

    This means that corruption favouring the oligarchy will tend to become very Jewish when a large number of Jews are in a society, given their predilection for being oligarch assistants (not to deny there are also revolutionary & dissident Jews etc) … and a mafia of ‘them’ has significant drawbacks versus home-grown mafia

    By the 1920s the Jewish ‘takeover’ already came to be seen as a problem, as USA universities etc started to be flooded with Jewish people, and Jews became increasingly involved in media (Hollywood, the press) and government

    USA universities responded with quotas … which Jewish media & political power were then able to quash after a time, via their strong influence

    In a temporary compromise, elite universities adopted ‘holistic subjective’ admissions criteria, without formal discrimination, allowing unusually large numbers of Jews, but still not as many as Jewish high IQs and system-gaming traits would have produced

    Jews themselves now find the shoe on the other foot, however, as Asians with even higher IQs, and even better merit-system-gaming techniques, now take places at universities that were formerly won by Jews

    It is a bit of a different situation, as Asians excel in different areas; tend to avoid abrasive confrontation scenarios; are not as driven to seek media control, nor wide political power through personal service to oligarchs … although they also rather resist assimilation, and become quite dominant at high levels, especially in professional technical fields

    But now, with two major elite groups having been imported, who have higher IQs and the abilities to push aside the old locals via ‘meritocracy’, with the first big group having begun doing this more than a century ago … the old locals are, as they say, shite out of luck

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    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that..
     
    Why not just go with the Nick Land observation?

    Capitalism is a giant disaster for humanity given modern means of physical and informational mobility.


    And yet, there is really no solution in the end for it.
    , @Corvinus
    In reality, tribals/ethnics have significantly assimilated, as demonstrated by intermarriage rates. Moreover, are not European whites also "gaming the 'merit' system" to suit their own ends?
    , @Alden
    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn't get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.
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  52. Travis says:

    even if Jew have an average IQ of 115 this does not explain why 25% of Ivey league students are Jewish…in America there are 12 times as many gentile whites with an IQ over 130 compares to the number of Jews with an IQ of 130 +

    yet despite the larger number of gentiles with an IQ over 130 the, Harvard has an equal number of Jews as non-hispanic white gentiles. How do we explain this ? IQ does not actually explain the discrepancy.

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    We started with RU's (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What's up with all the base-stealing?
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  53. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian
    To summarise a very striking John Derbyshire article & state some key discussion points & implications ... i.e., 'How the USA was invaded & dominated by Jews & Asians':

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that

    (a) Other tribals / ethnics significantly do not assimilate as claimed in 'multi-cultural dream' propaganda, and

    (b) So-called 'meritocracy' merely forfeits power & influence to whatever group of ethnics / tribals can best game the offered 'merit' system, immiserating the local natives

    In 1880-1920 a great many Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to the USA, who had greatly higher IQs than natives

    These Jews became an intrinsic problem, because they resist assimilation, keep significant tribal co-operation & mutual assistance, & because their particular IQ aspects & tribal traits, lead Jews to -

    (a) Greatly & successfully control much of media & academia, 'framing' information & discourse where they live, for their own benefit

    (b) Significantly augment the oligarchy in power, trading on centuries of history as 'court Jews', eagerness to serve rulers as a tribal survival technique ... a fact well-known to oligarchs in modern times, who prize Jews as their most effective servants or mafias, with charges of 'anti-Semitism' able to be hurled at anyone questioning these arrangements

    This means that corruption favouring the oligarchy will tend to become very Jewish when a large number of Jews are in a society, given their predilection for being oligarch assistants (not to deny there are also revolutionary & dissident Jews etc) ... and a mafia of 'them' has significant drawbacks versus home-grown mafia

    By the 1920s the Jewish 'takeover' already came to be seen as a problem, as USA universities etc started to be flooded with Jewish people, and Jews became increasingly involved in media (Hollywood, the press) and government

    USA universities responded with quotas ... which Jewish media & political power were then able to quash after a time, via their strong influence

    In a temporary compromise, elite universities adopted 'holistic subjective' admissions criteria, without formal discrimination, allowing unusually large numbers of Jews, but still not as many as Jewish high IQs and system-gaming traits would have produced

    Jews themselves now find the shoe on the other foot, however, as Asians with even higher IQs, and even better merit-system-gaming techniques, now take places at universities that were formerly won by Jews

    It is a bit of a different situation, as Asians excel in different areas; tend to avoid abrasive confrontation scenarios; are not as driven to seek media control, nor wide political power through personal service to oligarchs ... although they also rather resist assimilation, and become quite dominant at high levels, especially in professional technical fields

    But now, with two major elite groups having been imported, who have higher IQs and the abilities to push aside the old locals via 'meritocracy', with the first big group having begun doing this more than a century ago ... the old locals are, as they say, shite out of luck

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that..

    Why not just go with the Nick Land observation?

    Capitalism is a giant disaster for humanity given modern means of physical and informational mobility.

    And yet, there is really no solution in the end for it.

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  54. Art Deco says:
    @Thomm

    That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year.
     
    As you can see, my number is even lower than that :

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    Now then, what is assimiliation?

    Many aspects are subjective (it is safe to say that SJW whites have fully 'de-assimilated' from any values that made the West great. Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Hence, the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :
    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?
    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?

    These are the two metrics that matter.

    Watching baseball and eating processed, unhealthy food like hotdogs and factory-made apple pies is not 'assimilation'. Nothing is wrong with celebrating the Chinese new year and eating with chopsticks, if you came from China. As long as you meet the two criteria above.

    Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Very few people are ‘pure Anglo-Saxons’. In this country, about 35% of the population is predominantly descended from pre-1840 immigration and settlement streams. No clue as to what their share is among SJWs. The primary nuisances at the campus I’m best acquainted with had a number of backgrounds (one was walking around with an Italian name and a taste for sodomy, a couple had German names, another was a mulatto woman, another was Sinhalese). Fundamentally, academics have more in common with each other than they do with their own non-professor cousins; the guild is more important than the ethnos.

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  55. Art Deco says:
    @Travis
    even if Jew have an average IQ of 115 this does not explain why 25% of Ivey league students are Jewish...in America there are 12 times as many gentile whites with an IQ over 130 compares to the number of Jews with an IQ of 130 +

    yet despite the larger number of gentiles with an IQ over 130 the, Harvard has an equal number of Jews as non-hispanic white gentiles. How do we explain this ? IQ does not actually explain the discrepancy.

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?

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    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?
     
    It's sometimes better to actually know something about a specialized topic rather than just randomly spout off nonsense on the Internet...

    Here's a link to a 2012 PDF providing estimates of the Jewish enrollment at a long list of major colleges, including Harvard. Note that the Jewish enrollment figure for Harvard is given as 25%.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CollegeJewish-Fall2012.pdf

    These estimates were produced by Hillel, the national Jewish college organization, and were published in a leading Jewish magazine. Hillel has been providing similar such estimates for decades, and these have also regularly been circulated and republished in major Jewish media outlets.

    Prof. Jerome Karabel heavily relied upon these Hillel estimates as the basis for his 700pp opus on the history of Jews in the Ivy League, which won all sorts of scholarly awards. Numerous other scholars have also used these figures over the last 30-odd years, and the data has been accepted without question by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chronicle of Higher Education, and every other elite media organ, as well as by the top administrators of leading universities.

    Are these numbers actually correct? Who the Hell knows! But since they happen to be the only such figures in existence, it's not clear what might replace them. Since the Martian have apparently given "Art Deco" far better data, perhaps he should offer to share his bounty with scholars everywhere.

    I'd suggest that anyone with serious---as opposed to "trolling"---interest in the topic should read my extensive writings on the subject, and perhaps peruse one of my quantitative appendices:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4
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  56. Thirdeye says:
    @Rod1963
    White Americans wouldn't have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They'd integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don't. They're colonists who don't integrate. It's all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn't mean they're bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don't show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it's bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you're running from.

    Tribalism is largely (but not exclusively) a function of socio-economic stagnation. Hispanics assimilate and interbreed when they are upwardly mobile. The less adept ones are less secure in dealing with the mainstream and remain more dependent on the network of La Familia. The lower socioeconomic rungs among Asian immigrants, largely represented by southeast Asian groups (who come from more tribal societies to start with) remain insular. And among the less wealthy Hispanics and Asians, they often live in environments where sticking with the in-group is a matter of physical safety because they rub elbows with America’s most violent group, lower class blacks. Wealthier Asians who surmount the language barrier get more exposed to the mainstream and have power in the sexual marketplace beyond their own group. And Asian women, according to data from dating websites, have risen to the top in desirability to all other groups. Even Jews have a high rate of intermarriage, to the point that ethno-obsessive Jews worry about the dilution of Jewish identity. Even someone like the Orthodox Jared Kushner has a dick that overrides his ethnic chauvinism in choice of a breeding partner. The most attractive Jewish women are ones who don’t really look Jewish.

    There is nothing to support the idea that cultural norms associated with northeast Asia – orderliness, conscientiousness, diligence, contribution to the group – would not push American culture in a positive direction if they ever became influential. They might grate against our rugged individualist sensibilities, but they might increase social functionality.

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    Jews have the highest out-marriage rates, close to 60% of all Jews marry non-Jews. So the WN in their imagined future can holocaust only the fractional Jews up to 0.25 Jews. 1.0 Jews will be almost non-existent and murdering < 0.25 Jews would be blasphemous, as Hitler was 0.25 Jewish.
    , @Twinkie
    I agree with much of what you wrote, but there is ONE significant difference between Jews and Northeast Asians in the U.S. The former, when they intermarry, assimilate the non-Jews. The latter sublimate. Thus, people who are fractionally Jewish tend to identify as Jews. Those who are fractionally East Asian identify mostly as the other - usually whites - in their ancestry.
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  57. @Diversity Heretic
    My personal first choice of any group to accept would be Dutch Boers. Hard working, thrifty, and the most race realistic people on the planet.

    They are nice people, but five minutes of listening to a Boer accent is five minutes you will very much wish you spent doing anything else.

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  58. Corvinus says:
    @Rod1963
    White Americans wouldn't have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They'd integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don't. They're colonists who don't integrate. It's all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn't mean they're bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don't show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it's bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you're running from.

    “White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.”

    Late 1800′s nativists referred to Eastern and Southern Europeans as the “dregs” of society, given their socialist and anarchist tendencies, as well as their vile Roman Catholic upbringing.

    Alt Right leader Vox Days makes it clear that most immigrants should go back. He says “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    So, everyone, unless you are able to directly trace your ancestors back to the original colonists, the British, you are utterly undesirable, and you have to go back.

    More from Vox Day…”No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic.”

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, to put into his vernacular. So the Carl Schurz’s of the world are in essence barbarian, and hundreds of millions of Americans are essentially fake. We all have to go back.

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    So, Vox Day would prefer electing people like John Lindsay, Howard Dean, Elizabeth Warren, or Ned Lamont over Frank Rizzo, Joe Arpaio, Ted Cruz, Dina Powell, or Stephen Miller? Under Vox Day's criteria, a massive part of Antifa would be more fit to hold office than children of immigrants who love America more than the native born due to their families having memories of life in more oppressive lands. Then again Vox Day would have America become an oppressive land if he or his compatriots ever took power.
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  59. Corvinus says:

    “There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean — although not all the way to it, or else Natural Selection wouldn’t work. Given the likelihood of assortative mating, in fact — smart immigrants marrying other smart people — regression all the way back to the population mean is highly improbable, even after many generations.”

    It’s not as simplistic as Derby makes it appear to be.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/16/regression-to-the-mean/

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  60. Corvinus says:
    @Brabantian
    To summarise a very striking John Derbyshire article & state some key discussion points & implications ... i.e., 'How the USA was invaded & dominated by Jews & Asians':

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that

    (a) Other tribals / ethnics significantly do not assimilate as claimed in 'multi-cultural dream' propaganda, and

    (b) So-called 'meritocracy' merely forfeits power & influence to whatever group of ethnics / tribals can best game the offered 'merit' system, immiserating the local natives

    In 1880-1920 a great many Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to the USA, who had greatly higher IQs than natives

    These Jews became an intrinsic problem, because they resist assimilation, keep significant tribal co-operation & mutual assistance, & because their particular IQ aspects & tribal traits, lead Jews to -

    (a) Greatly & successfully control much of media & academia, 'framing' information & discourse where they live, for their own benefit

    (b) Significantly augment the oligarchy in power, trading on centuries of history as 'court Jews', eagerness to serve rulers as a tribal survival technique ... a fact well-known to oligarchs in modern times, who prize Jews as their most effective servants or mafias, with charges of 'anti-Semitism' able to be hurled at anyone questioning these arrangements

    This means that corruption favouring the oligarchy will tend to become very Jewish when a large number of Jews are in a society, given their predilection for being oligarch assistants (not to deny there are also revolutionary & dissident Jews etc) ... and a mafia of 'them' has significant drawbacks versus home-grown mafia

    By the 1920s the Jewish 'takeover' already came to be seen as a problem, as USA universities etc started to be flooded with Jewish people, and Jews became increasingly involved in media (Hollywood, the press) and government

    USA universities responded with quotas ... which Jewish media & political power were then able to quash after a time, via their strong influence

    In a temporary compromise, elite universities adopted 'holistic subjective' admissions criteria, without formal discrimination, allowing unusually large numbers of Jews, but still not as many as Jewish high IQs and system-gaming traits would have produced

    Jews themselves now find the shoe on the other foot, however, as Asians with even higher IQs, and even better merit-system-gaming techniques, now take places at universities that were formerly won by Jews

    It is a bit of a different situation, as Asians excel in different areas; tend to avoid abrasive confrontation scenarios; are not as driven to seek media control, nor wide political power through personal service to oligarchs ... although they also rather resist assimilation, and become quite dominant at high levels, especially in professional technical fields

    But now, with two major elite groups having been imported, who have higher IQs and the abilities to push aside the old locals via 'meritocracy', with the first big group having begun doing this more than a century ago ... the old locals are, as they say, shite out of luck

    In reality, tribals/ethnics have significantly assimilated, as demonstrated by intermarriage rates. Moreover, are not European whites also “gaming the ‘merit’ system” to suit their own ends?

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  61. @Priss Factor
    They will be the uber-unter class or over-under class.

    They will rise over white masses but serve as commissars under Jews, Homos, and white cuck elites.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don't know how to lead or think. They only know how to study, follow, and imitate. So, they will be the commissar class of globo hegemony. They will work against both white patriots and yellow patriots in Asia. They will identify mainly with privilege under globalism.

    Jewish Globalists push Diversity in elite institutions to make all gentile elites identify mainly with Privileged-Diversity than with their own kind.
    British Imperialists did the same thing. They trained diverse elites of all colors to identify primarily with British Imperialism than with their own kind. So, if Hindu, African, Arab, or Asian elites all studied together in British institutions, they would identify more with one another as happy subjects of the British Empire than identify with their own racial kin.

    This system came under attack during the Anti-Imperialist period that accelerated after WWII, which brought upon the Golden Age of Universal Nationalism.
    But Jewish-Homo globo-hegemony centered in the US is pushing a new kind of Universal Imperialism where ALL NATIONS(except Israel) are opened up for massive Inclusion-Invasion or Inclasion and Homomania as the neo-religion.

    If white gentile patriots ruled America, yellows might serve them. But because PC is the official Template of the land, they will serve Jewish/Homo globalists and Mulattoes. Also, they will race-mix with Jews, white cuck elites, and mulattoes. And yellow homos and trannies will esp be favored over yellow straights. They will be Yellow Dogs of globalism. Just look at the daughters of Amy Chua.

    Chewish agents of homo-globalist-imperialism.

    I more or less agree. In the case of British India, the Hindu elite, the Brahmins, faithfully and obsequiously ran things for the British overlords. And when the British overlords skedaddled out of India, they seamlessly settled into the vacuum until the Indian democracy and demography wised up and put an end to it in some parts of India like the south. Now a lot of these displayed Brahmins (from elite positions) especially in South India, slowly skedaddled into America and are slowly working their way up to be ensconced as over-under lords – Think Sundar Pichai of Gulag.

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  62. Thomm says:

    We all have to go back.

    Not just that, but many of the WN wiggers who say ‘you have to go back’ are lesser whites like Poles and Russians. They desperately want to take credit for Western Civ that they did nothing to build, while pulling rank on US-born blacks who can trace lineage here for 400 years.

    The other idiocy of the ‘You have to go back’ baby-level intellects is that once you become a US citizen, you often have to renounce your old citizenship (dual-citizenship is often not full in the other country). Hence, a US citizen would become stateless if his US citizenship is stripped. Therefore, there will never, ever, ever be an expulsion of people who are already US citizens (halting new Naturalizations is another matter).

    WNs retards who cry ‘you have to go back’ have no idea how citizenship, surrendering of the old citizenship, and statelessness works.

    Of course, White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

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    Still using the word wigger when you have no idea of what it means.
    , @Vinteuil
    "...lesser whites like Poles and Russians..."

    Yeah - Chopin? what's the big deal? Dostoevsky? Eh - who has time?
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  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A problem with the “geniuses-only” loophole is that (like any loophole) it will be abused with the connivance of sympathetic immigration officials/activists. Basically, every prospective immigrant will claim to be a “genius” and these claims will be rubber-stamped as authentic.

    We already see this with the “refugee” loophole, with people routinely making bogus claims of being persecuted in their home countries. Similarly, if you allow a loophole for “children”, then everybody under 35 will claim to be a “child”. Special allowance for “homosexuals”? — now everybody at the border claims to be gay. etc. etc.

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    We already have a genius loophole. Special visas are available to individuals who claim to be at the top of their field as artists, scientists, etc.

    Of course, the system is blatantly abused with the connivance of immigration officials by countless individuals of rather modest gifts claiming to be world-renowned top stars.
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  64. @Yan Shen

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.
     
    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations...

    I agree. I have worked with a few Igbo. They are not pygmies, intellectually or otherwise.

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  65. @Thirdeye
    Tribalism is largely (but not exclusively) a function of socio-economic stagnation. Hispanics assimilate and interbreed when they are upwardly mobile. The less adept ones are less secure in dealing with the mainstream and remain more dependent on the network of La Familia. The lower socioeconomic rungs among Asian immigrants, largely represented by southeast Asian groups (who come from more tribal societies to start with) remain insular. And among the less wealthy Hispanics and Asians, they often live in environments where sticking with the in-group is a matter of physical safety because they rub elbows with America's most violent group, lower class blacks. Wealthier Asians who surmount the language barrier get more exposed to the mainstream and have power in the sexual marketplace beyond their own group. And Asian women, according to data from dating websites, have risen to the top in desirability to all other groups. Even Jews have a high rate of intermarriage, to the point that ethno-obsessive Jews worry about the dilution of Jewish identity. Even someone like the Orthodox Jared Kushner has a dick that overrides his ethnic chauvinism in choice of a breeding partner. The most attractive Jewish women are ones who don't really look Jewish.

    There is nothing to support the idea that cultural norms associated with northeast Asia - orderliness, conscientiousness, diligence, contribution to the group - would not push American culture in a positive direction if they ever became influential. They might grate against our rugged individualist sensibilities, but they might increase social functionality.

    Jews have the highest out-marriage rates, close to 60% of all Jews marry non-Jews. So the WN in their imagined future can holocaust only the fractional Jews up to 0.25 Jews. 1.0 Jews will be almost non-existent and murdering < 0.25 Jews would be blasphemous, as Hitler was 0.25 Jewish.

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    If (say) a young Jewish lady marries a Jewish guy and has a couple of children, then after the kids are grown up, divorces him and marries a middle-aged gentile, it can be said of her that she has a 50% out-marriage rate.

    But are those two marriages really equivalent?
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  66. Immigration in the West has been badly mismanaged and now alt-right pseudo-intellectuals are preaching the quixotic gospel of tribalism, isolationism and “you must go backism” in the 21st century. This after the West pretty much conceived, gave birth and raised the globalization baby over the past few/several centuries

    Immigration can work if,
    1. Limited and gradual immigration
    2. Selective immigration (Hi IQ, talent, elite etc.)
    3. Vigorously promote a common culture and identity instead of the opposite we seem to be doing ferociously
    4. Don’t force immigration down the throats of the majority.

    But in America dealing with the low IQ, dysfunctional and profoundly embittered black population is a wicket problem.

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  67. @Corvinus
    "White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before."

    Late 1800's nativists referred to Eastern and Southern Europeans as the "dregs" of society, given their socialist and anarchist tendencies, as well as their vile Roman Catholic upbringing.

    Alt Right leader Vox Days makes it clear that most immigrants should go back. He says "We've lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn't be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers."

    So, everyone, unless you are able to directly trace your ancestors back to the original colonists, the British, you are utterly undesirable, and you have to go back.

    More from Vox Day..."No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic."

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, to put into his vernacular. So the Carl Schurz's of the world are in essence barbarian, and hundreds of millions of Americans are essentially fake. We all have to go back.

    So, Vox Day would prefer electing people like John Lindsay, Howard Dean, Elizabeth Warren, or Ned Lamont over Frank Rizzo, Joe Arpaio, Ted Cruz, Dina Powell, or Stephen Miller? Under Vox Day’s criteria, a massive part of Antifa would be more fit to hold office than children of immigrants who love America more than the native born due to their families having memories of life in more oppressive lands. Then again Vox Day would have America become an oppressive land if he or his compatriots ever took power.

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  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @edgeslider
    Jews have the highest out-marriage rates, close to 60% of all Jews marry non-Jews. So the WN in their imagined future can holocaust only the fractional Jews up to 0.25 Jews. 1.0 Jews will be almost non-existent and murdering < 0.25 Jews would be blasphemous, as Hitler was 0.25 Jewish.

    If (say) a young Jewish lady marries a Jewish guy and has a couple of children, then after the kids are grown up, divorces him and marries a middle-aged gentile, it can be said of her that she has a 50% out-marriage rate.

    But are those two marriages really equivalent?

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  70. Ron Unz says:
    @Art Deco
    We started with RU's (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What's up with all the base-stealing?

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?

    It’s sometimes better to actually know something about a specialized topic rather than just randomly spout off nonsense on the Internet…

    Here’s a link to a 2012 PDF providing estimates of the Jewish enrollment at a long list of major colleges, including Harvard. Note that the Jewish enrollment figure for Harvard is given as 25%.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CollegeJewish-Fall2012.pdf

    These estimates were produced by Hillel, the national Jewish college organization, and were published in a leading Jewish magazine. Hillel has been providing similar such estimates for decades, and these have also regularly been circulated and republished in major Jewish media outlets.

    Prof. Jerome Karabel heavily relied upon these Hillel estimates as the basis for his 700pp opus on the history of Jews in the Ivy League, which won all sorts of scholarly awards. Numerous other scholars have also used these figures over the last 30-odd years, and the data has been accepted without question by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chronicle of Higher Education, and every other elite media organ, as well as by the top administrators of leading universities.

    Are these numbers actually correct? Who the Hell knows! But since they happen to be the only such figures in existence, it’s not clear what might replace them. Since the Martian have apparently given “Art Deco” far better data, perhaps he should offer to share his bounty with scholars everywhere.

    I’d suggest that anyone with serious—as opposed to “trolling”—interest in the topic should read my extensive writings on the subject, and perhaps peruse one of my quantitative appendices:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

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    You've been emotionally over-invested in your thesis.
    , @Vinteuil
    Everything seems to hang on the accuracy of the Hillel estimates of jewish representation at elite schools . But it's been plausibly argued that their figures are exaggerated.

    It would be nice to see something conclusive, on this point.
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  71. It may be true that Jews and East Asians have higher average IQ’s than whites, but they also come from cultures that value ambition and education. That’s got to account for at least part of it. Americans in general have been regressing to the means of ignorant, lazy, and entitled.

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    "Ambition and education" or "very willing to prey on the Goyim/ForeignDevils who they live among"? Is there something wrong wth being content to live peacefully with your neighbors, do productive labor, and raise your children to be good citizens and good parents?
    , @epochehusserl
    My Asian instructor in economics didnt know what the word tautology meant and most of the Jewish instructors I have come across made tearing down the western civ part of the curriculum. I dont think the Asians or the Jews are as clever as we make them out to be. The country has gotten worse the less influential WASPS have become.
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  72. Anon 2 says:
    @WHAT
    Mainland China is very much a hellhole compared to any state in Eastern Europe. Despite what maoist suckers sometimes published here on unz will tell you, only the coastal part of China is up to par, and it was so for all of their history.

    To put things in perspective it makes sense
    to compare China to its neighbors like Japan,
    Korea, and Russia, using GDP (PPP) per capita
    as a quantitative measure /2016 data/:

    China $15,400
    S. Korea $37,700
    Japan $41, 300
    Russia $26,500

    China is at the very bottom. Compared to Japan
    China is a very unimpressive country.

    How about Africa?

    Algeria $15,000
    Botswana $17,000
    Gabon $19,000

    Finally,

    the United States $57,400

    So 4000 years of history, and all that China
    has to show for it is GDP per capita comparable
    to a number of African countries. The Chinese
    need to go to Japan and learn from the masters

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    Chinese countries outside of China have higher GDP per capita then Japan. Singapore, Taiwan and Hong kong. Japanese both racially and culturally trace their roots back to the mainland throught the yayoi migration. Japanese should not be seen as separate from north east Asia.
    , @anonymous
    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you'd prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    Important things to consider:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#2016_data

    The richest three provinces (total pop. 60 million) in China have a gdp (ppp) per capita of $33.6k, not far behind South Korea's $37.7k. The top seven provinces (total pop. 350 million) have a gdp per capita of $25.5k. There is also a large gap between the rural areas and the more developed urban areas. Not to mention, there are many other factors to consider than just gdp.
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  73. @Anon 2
    To put things in perspective it makes sense
    to compare China to its neighbors like Japan,
    Korea, and Russia, using GDP (PPP) per capita
    as a quantitative measure /2016 data/:

    China $15,400
    S. Korea $37,700
    Japan $41, 300
    Russia $26,500

    China is at the very bottom. Compared to Japan
    China is a very unimpressive country.

    How about Africa?

    Algeria $15,000
    Botswana $17,000
    Gabon $19,000

    Finally,

    the United States $57,400

    So 4000 years of history, and all that China
    has to show for it is GDP per capita comparable
    to a number of African countries. The Chinese
    need to go to Japan and learn from the masters

    Chinese countries outside of China have higher GDP per capita then Japan. Singapore, Taiwan and Hong kong. Japanese both racially and culturally trace their roots back to the mainland throught the yayoi migration. Japanese should not be seen as separate from north east Asia.

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    Hong Kong is a city in China, not a separate country. This has been so since the British left many years ago. I wish people would stop thinking otherwise, I don't understand the persistent, mass delusion.
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  74. Discard says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    It may be true that Jews and East Asians have higher average IQ's than whites, but they also come from cultures that value ambition and education. That's got to account for at least part of it. Americans in general have been regressing to the means of ignorant, lazy, and entitled.

    “Ambition and education” or “very willing to prey on the Goyim/ForeignDevils who they live among”? Is there something wrong wth being content to live peacefully with your neighbors, do productive labor, and raise your children to be good citizens and good parents?

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  75. @Fidelios Automata
    It may be true that Jews and East Asians have higher average IQ's than whites, but they also come from cultures that value ambition and education. That's got to account for at least part of it. Americans in general have been regressing to the means of ignorant, lazy, and entitled.

    My Asian instructor in economics didnt know what the word tautology meant and most of the Jewish instructors I have come across made tearing down the western civ part of the curriculum. I dont think the Asians or the Jews are as clever as we make them out to be. The country has gotten worse the less influential WASPS have become.

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  76. First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that!

    Listeners who made this point were referring of course to the Ashkenazi Jews who poured into the U.S.A. 1880-1920.
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    Before Vietnam the universities were largely funded by the private sector. Before ww2 very few went to universities relative to the population. Before ww1 professional licensure didnt exist and anyone could enter any profession without formal schooling. The universities existed to uphold tradition and train preachers 125 years ago. They didnt want Jews in the Ivies because they were founded to preach the good word. Different times.

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  77. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anonymous
    A problem with the "geniuses-only" loophole is that (like any loophole) it will be abused with the connivance of sympathetic immigration officials/activists. Basically, every prospective immigrant will claim to be a "genius" and these claims will be rubber-stamped as authentic.

    We already see this with the "refugee" loophole, with people routinely making bogus claims of being persecuted in their home countries. Similarly, if you allow a loophole for "children", then everybody under 35 will claim to be a "child". Special allowance for "homosexuals"? -- now everybody at the border claims to be gay. etc. etc.

    We already have a genius loophole. Special visas are available to individuals who claim to be at the top of their field as artists, scientists, etc.

    Of course, the system is blatantly abused with the connivance of immigration officials by countless individuals of rather modest gifts claiming to be world-renowned top stars.

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  78. TWS says:
    @Yee
    There's a higher percentage of native-born Americans living aboard than the Chinese. Like everyone else, Americans also emigrating....

    There's a distinct difference in discussions of immigration issue on the US forums and Chinese forums. On Chinese forums, there're always forumers asking "if we're mean to other race people, what will happen to our people living overseas?" I've never seen Americans asking the same.

    Americans talking about nationalism? What a joke! The US is a country for opportunists. All your laws and all your teachings is about self-interest, personal this personal that. Immigrants are opportunists, they're right at home in the US. Why should anyone there "go back"?

    You'd do better recognize the nature of the country and act accordingly.

    Because Joe average doesn’t need our want you here? Because it’s not your country? Because my ancestors arrived with the mammoth? Take your pick. Then go home.

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    I understand the concerns of "Joe Average"...and yet, they are completely irrelevant from a policymaking perspective. People can be resentful for any reason of any type of immigrants...their emotions do not provide any grounds for national policy.

    The only issues are:

    1) Does John Smith (or Juan Sanchez, or whatever) want to come here?
    2) What are the externalities of John coming here (if any)?
    3) Can those externalities be fairly adjudicated or negotiated?

    I cannot justify limiting the free movement of people, especially when there are strong economic benefits to them coming here, both to them and to America at large in terms of positive spillovers. The best solutions are building structures for political federalism, particularism, and free association. That way, any externalities can be minimized or outright removed, while productive people can still come here to their heart's content (obviously, I'm in favor of removing welfare and entitlements for everyone).

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  79. Art Deco says:
    @Ron Unz

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?
     
    It's sometimes better to actually know something about a specialized topic rather than just randomly spout off nonsense on the Internet...

    Here's a link to a 2012 PDF providing estimates of the Jewish enrollment at a long list of major colleges, including Harvard. Note that the Jewish enrollment figure for Harvard is given as 25%.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CollegeJewish-Fall2012.pdf

    These estimates were produced by Hillel, the national Jewish college organization, and were published in a leading Jewish magazine. Hillel has been providing similar such estimates for decades, and these have also regularly been circulated and republished in major Jewish media outlets.

    Prof. Jerome Karabel heavily relied upon these Hillel estimates as the basis for his 700pp opus on the history of Jews in the Ivy League, which won all sorts of scholarly awards. Numerous other scholars have also used these figures over the last 30-odd years, and the data has been accepted without question by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chronicle of Higher Education, and every other elite media organ, as well as by the top administrators of leading universities.

    Are these numbers actually correct? Who the Hell knows! But since they happen to be the only such figures in existence, it's not clear what might replace them. Since the Martian have apparently given "Art Deco" far better data, perhaps he should offer to share his bounty with scholars everywhere.

    I'd suggest that anyone with serious---as opposed to "trolling"---interest in the topic should read my extensive writings on the subject, and perhaps peruse one of my quantitative appendices:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

    You’ve been emotionally over-invested in your thesis.

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  80. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    To put things in perspective it makes sense
    to compare China to its neighbors like Japan,
    Korea, and Russia, using GDP (PPP) per capita
    as a quantitative measure /2016 data/:

    China $15,400
    S. Korea $37,700
    Japan $41, 300
    Russia $26,500

    China is at the very bottom. Compared to Japan
    China is a very unimpressive country.

    How about Africa?

    Algeria $15,000
    Botswana $17,000
    Gabon $19,000

    Finally,

    the United States $57,400

    So 4000 years of history, and all that China
    has to show for it is GDP per capita comparable
    to a number of African countries. The Chinese
    need to go to Japan and learn from the masters

    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you’d prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    Important things to consider:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#2016_data

    The richest three provinces (total pop. 60 million) in China have a gdp (ppp) per capita of $33.6k, not far behind South Korea’s $37.7k. The top seven provinces (total pop. 350 million) have a gdp per capita of $25.5k. There is also a large gap between the rural areas and the more developed urban areas. Not to mention, there are many other factors to consider than just gdp.

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    No, as I implied in my post I would prefer to
    reside in Japan rather than China. China is
    ruled by the Communist Party. That's a deal breaker
    right there.

    Practically all countries have richer cities and poorer hinterlands.
    For example, Moscow (population 12 million) has a huge
    GDP per capita compared to the rest of the country.
    Anybody can play this game, citing city-states like Hong Kong
    or Singapore or richer provinces. It's the averages that
    count. That's why the West is so amazing. In the West
    even the hinterlands are well-to-do
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  81. Client 9 says: • Website

    “Time to stop importing an immigrant overclass” yea Derb.. And time to stop spawning them as well.

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    Is that Derb when he was still a young spunk? Not hard to see how he got to import an IQ booster into his Anglo-American bloodline. I like that insouciant JFK like casual suavity with which the Jacket is worn. Bring them down under.
    , @MEH 0910
    I like Derb and his family. I get a kick out of how his daughter has a smiley expression like her mother, and his son has often has a dispassionate countenance like his father.
    , @Truth
    Hey that's a pretty damn good pic, Derb. You look almost, sorta...virile.
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  82. Yee says:

    ,

    “Because Joe average doesn’t need our want you here? Because it’s not your country? Because my ancestors arrived with the mammoth? Take your pick. Then go home.”

    Too bad Joe Average don’t get to make policy, the money class do. They want more profits, so immigrants to enlarge the consumer market and over supply the labor market.

    It’s not your country either, no matter when your ancestors went there, it’s money’s country.

    As for myself, I’m mainland Chinese live in mainland China, no intention to go anywhere except for tours.

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  83. Hail says: • Website

    Given the “tail effect” you get in statistical distributions with different means, though, it perhaps reflects the reality of higher mean Ashkenazi intelligence.

    The data you present, from Ron Unz’s research, says that White-Gentiles and Jews are at 1:1 parity in the Ivy League today. Can the “(right) tail effect” explain this?
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    Scenario 1 (‘High-Bound Jewish Population/IQ’)
    Given:
    - 192 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 8 million ethnic Ashlenazi Jews with average IQ=115

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.63 million non-Jewish Whites
    2.97 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 6-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.90 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.73 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 2.6-to-1.

    Scenario 2 (‘Low-Bound Jewish Population/IQ’)
    Given:
    - 194 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 6 million ethnic Ashkenazi Jews with average IQ=110

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.81 million non-Jewish Whites
    1.51 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 12-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.92 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.29 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is: 6.7-to-1.
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    Just sticking with IQ 135+, a truly cognitive elite set, the top 1% or so (don’t tell me the Ivy League draws from a pool even narrower than 135+), we do see that the “tail effect” doesn’t explain this.

    Even using the most favorable numbers for Jews — assuming a high-end Jewish population (8mln) and high-end IQ=115 figure — there should be up to three White-Christians for every Jew in the Ivy League. Using the lower figures — IQ=110 and 6mln — there should be six or seven White-Gentiles for every Jew.

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    IQ does not explain ethnic activism and ethnic nepotism. But these subjects are the real taboo. That's why sites like "La Griffe du Lion" are pushing fat tail theory to explain Jewish overrepresentation. In other words Jews are smarter and thus can't be blamed for it.
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  84. patsy says:

    All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!

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    "All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!" -- patsy
     
    Well said, patsy! You make better sense than all the IQers, Harvard snobs or CalTechies lumped together.

    Much of China's success is due to its recognition of gross demographic realities, which are still denied by many -- maybe most -- Americans.
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  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities

    Both the “mean IQ significantly higher” and “WASP elites” links lead to Vdare pages which show no IQ measurements of any kind. I think I’ll skip reading the rest of the article since the author is deceptively linking his claims to… nothing. This kind of deception wouldn’t pass muster even on Reddit.

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    If he made a copy editing slip, not having the research and clerical backup of a Steven Pinker, it may well have been because he assumed most of his readers would regard verifying that sort of information as a bit of a yawn, as you are suggesting he did.
    , @utu
    Good catch! The narrative is being pushed by many little lies that go unchallenged.
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  86. Clyde says:

    Food for thought, a mixed egg fu yung.

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  87. Biff says:

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    A few hundred other special cases per annum — a statutory maximum of one thousand, say — considered individually.
    Nobody else at all.

    Should intelligent, skilled whites be allowed to leave, skewing the numbers towards other enthnic people?

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  88. m___ says:

    Migration to the US limits itself to being immigration. That is one-way in, no one wants out. A terrible proposition.

    Population, toxicity, climate change, derivatives of any sort, the negatives higher then the benefits, exponentially so, have, if having one at all, only planetary solutions. The instigators, the cognitive able to even comprehend the mere problems, let alone being building blocks to a solution are these “Nobel Prize” level cognitive lucky. They will have a hard time to breeding the concept US to dominance and supremacy other then quantitative and short-term. Count on it that they might not even want to go down that road.

    They and they alone though, given enough context, can play as building blocks to intermediate and long term solutions. It is not the white middle class legal councillor, the precinct justice, the mean attributed individual to Congress, the intelligence agencies, Harvard, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and sorry to say, the out of the limelight “real power” monger who transgresses any field over bridges of make believe.

    If big data could be made useful for once for something of relevance, it would be mapping the globe into credit, resources, dynamically positive tendencies, and derivatives to the negative of counting value of any source. To map a block-chain against it, and so getting to a means of exchange, that would allow to interchange, including humans, and build global ideas, systematics to a sustainable future.

    One can contain the masses, exploit the masses, sadly since dozens of years it is obviously visible that this proposes the equivalent of exploiting the rest of nature into a make believe bubble. The realm of the average individual is about as large as the distance from his index to a glass square the size of a phone. Behind that glass encasing are only, minute doses of melatonin while the room fills with Co2. Humanity has reached the “best” of what can be begotten out of consuming, the rest is World War One trenching.

    To the point, immigration control as proposed by the author, yes, but also no, the timeliness of the measures might come up as too slow, and the problem of proportionate masses to elites, will by the numbers suffocate any form of superior intelligence anyway. Hence the de facto elites, of not only the US, but China, Russia Saudi Arabia, the EU, and on, building on any kind of quantitative theory to contain the global masses and enrich (for what it means in the short-term), the self attributed elites will continue wreaking havoc on their own ultimately.

    To map visually, in graphs and images, as we like to feed the masses so much, the cognitive abilities of our elites, the level of “meritocracy” of the ones in power, would be the equivalent of the emperor has no clothes.

    Back to the article, underlying it all to the author is the concept of a territorial USA, that in itself is an antiquated concept, his proposition to solutioning is the equivalent of “management”, not conceptual thinking. Sadly the glory of “management sciences” is probably too low on the scale for long term propositions.

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  89. Biff says:

    For most Americans, what the media does not report simply does not exist,

    Truer words have never been spoken.

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  90. G Pinfold says:

    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you’d prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    This kind of looks like a rhetorical question. But on the slim chance that it’s not, I’m going to choose Botswana. (But then I’m not a thirty-something on the make. The hustle and bustle of Shanghai is wasted on me.)

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    I hear Botswana is a real nice place.
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  91. @Yan Shen

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —
     
    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren't these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

    This surely has some truth in it. It seems likely that the average Indian IQ is much depressed by a caste system which confined large numbers of people to the most menial and cognitively undemanding of tasks for a thousand years or so. Correspondingly, at least some of the higher castes would have been bred for higher IQ – just as the dumb Jew didn’t get to marry the rabbi’s beautiful young daughter the smart Brahmin or upper commercial caste young man would probably out breed the dimmer.

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    The rabbi's daughter wasn't so beautiful!
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  92. @TWS
    No. When we reach a reasonable two hundred million we can discuss maybe two thousand immigrants a year.

    By the time you reach 200 million what will be your peoportion of whites?

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    A reasonable ninety. That's not too much to ask.
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  93. @Yan Shen

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.
     
    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations...

    Yes a lot more needs to be known about African intelligence and IQ scores than Lynn or Phil Rushton have ever privided.

    As to the not-so-Gaussian fat tales I guess that it results from pathology on the left hand end and assortative mating whichmeans that those at the right end don’t really belong to the same population with random intermarriage that the Gaussian formula presumes.

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  94. @Bach

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think.
     
    You keep saying that, but Asia is leading. One Belt One Road Initiative, the 21st century Silk Road. The New Development Bank led by China/BRICS. And more to come while America struggles for relevance.

    Well one might say that Mao left too much of his thinking to Marx and Lenin but its hardly possible to deny him serious leadership qualities and the same is true of his successors as well.

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  95. HunAnon says:

    I don’t agree that Jews are white. They may look white, but many of them don’t identify as whites. Many Israelis, for example don’t even look European, rather Middle Eastern. A lot of them would pass as Arab or Iranian.
    I also don’t agree with the “Nobody else at all” line. The US should allow white Europeans to immigrate, why should it close the door for Eastern Europeans for example? Just repeal the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and go back to the policies before that.

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    The policies in place before 1965 greatly limited the number of Eastern Europeans while allowing unlimited immigration from Latin America and the Caribbean. I don't think you want that.
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  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most Jews will gladly pretend to be white when they call for destruction of “white patriarchy” on Twitter. People have gathered hundreds of examples of this:

    Be warned.

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  97. HI John I found this still taking up reply space on this thread when I sought to reply to your artivlcle or someone else here and it occurs to me you mightn’t see it as a Comment on a 22nd August article, So here it is again with addition:

    I arrived at this via a link to one of your later pieces and I haven’t done the homework of reading Chapter 11 of We Are Doomed but want to suggest to you that Japan’s advance on the rest of us in handling old age and declining population is not comparable to the advantage England got from leadimg the world into the Industrial Revolution. Part of the analogy which is correct is that others will learn from the first mover and maybe the greatest long term beneficiaries. (One might argue that the Germans – and maybe the Japanese – almost made it. All plus and going well while the first welfare state was showing the way to one necessary adaptation to industrial society, but without any slowdown in fertility or getting rid of the Kaiser and Prussian militarists they were doomed). My prediction is that Japan won’t have to worry about invasion so that is going to allow smooth passage into the demographically different future but the great beneficiaries will be countries which are a generation and more behind in their demographics who can learn from Japan’s experience at a rate compatible with the feckless, cowardly vote buying of countries like Australia who are lucky now in the unironic sense of Donald Horne’s book title “The Lucky Country” (first edn.1964).

    Addition… At my recent notable decadal birthday party at which there were a number of my youngest blood relations present I offered for those who were likely to be the only persons present who would be alive in X decades time something to remember their crazy relation by. Noting that H.G. Wells had wriiten of the atom bomb in 1912 I said that impatient mankind would not be waiting a million years or so when the sun may be a threatening red dwarf, but would in their lifetimes seek to populate a life friendly exoplanet with a human species ready to absorb all the best of human culture. I say “a human species” because I felt compelled to warn the older people present against making a crogenic gift to the program unless they were content that a lot of their DNA would be reengineered or discarded as trash. Accept that as my gift to one who could take over the mantle of the lamented Jerry P. How about “I Saw Berhard Riemann in a Dream – and He Was Trying to Get His DNA on to My Spacecraft”. Ah. I see that I failed to repeat my further advice to the young that if the speed of light remained limiting a journey to an exoplanet could only be by thousands of capsules of DNA supervised by AI which would choose the planet (s), germinate the hominids and any other inhabitants of Noah’s Ark and then bring them up educated in their human history and culture. (What scope for intelligent comedy! How about the brainstorming think tankers who were deciding what would go into the umpteen terabytes of human knowledge to be downloaded?)

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    JD - a further contribution to the story line....

    In 500 or 1000 years the hominoid exoplaneteers would inevitably send signals out to any surviving cousins there might be on Earth or elsewhere. Supposing the signal arrives on Earth after a mere 50 years what do Earthlings do? Fortunately AI has been very good at ensuring the ETs' communications are well designed to be reliably received for what they are, and understood. That doesn't prevent a scandal on Earth about the alleged failure of the traditional custodians of the mysteries of the 2080 Noah's Ark to play their assigned part. However the bigger question is what to say in reply to cousins 50 years away who have followed the program weĺl enough to communicate that the average life expectancy of the species is now 300 years. As it is now 200 years on Earth there is no problem in finding people willing to correspond with people who will be able to receive and reply to at least one response from Earth but...can we learn the secret of their 300 years so we can look forward to a good old gossip?

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  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —
     
    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren't these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

    Id like to add that not all Indian immigrants are upper caste. People from Gujarat are among the most numerous- they are the ones with surnames like Patel and Shah. They’re mostly from an erstwhile peasant caste. And yet their children are filling up medical and engineering schools in the USA. Goes to show you can’t really predict what Indian castes are capable of.

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  99. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.
     
    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations...

    Indian Tamils in Singapore, and the Punjabi peasantry in Britain, are drawn from the lower end of the caste spectrum.

    They do much better than Indians in India, but not as well as their white and Chinese neighbors. But definitely better than the Black and Malay populations in those countries.

    That would be the floor of the Indian Hindu/Sikh iq distribution, after correcting malnutrition, poverty etc.

    Upper caste Indians, as shown by their success in silicon valley, can do nearly as well as Jews. If they looked as white as Jews did, they might even do better.

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  101. @Wizard of Oz
    HI John I found this still taking up reply space on this thread when I sought to reply to your artivlcle or someone else here and it occurs to me you mightn't see it as a Comment on a 22nd August article, So here it is again with addition:

    I arrived at this via a link to one of your later pieces and I haven't done the homework of reading Chapter 11 of We Are Doomed but want to suggest to you that Japan's advance on the rest of us in handling old age and declining population is not comparable to the advantage England got from leadimg the world into the Industrial Revolution. Part of the analogy which is correct is that others will learn from the first mover and maybe the greatest long term beneficiaries. (One might argue that the Germans - and maybe the Japanese - almost made it. All plus and going well while the first welfare state was showing the way to one necessary adaptation to industrial society, but without any slowdown in fertility or getting rid of the Kaiser and Prussian militarists they were doomed). My prediction is that Japan won't have to worry about invasion so that is going to allow smooth passage into the demographically different future but the great beneficiaries will be countries which are a generation and more behind in their demographics who can learn from Japan's experience at a rate compatible with the feckless, cowardly vote buying of countries like Australia who are lucky now in the unironic sense of Donald Horne's book title "The Lucky Country" (first edn.1964).

    Addition... At my recent notable decadal birthday party at which there were a number of my youngest blood relations present I offered for those who were likely to be the only persons present who would be alive in X decades time something to remember their crazy relation by. Noting that H.G. Wells had wriiten of the atom bomb in 1912 I said that impatient mankind would not be waiting a million years or so when the sun may be a threatening red dwarf, but would in their lifetimes seek to populate a life friendly exoplanet with a human species ready to absorb all the best of human culture. I say "a human species" because I felt compelled to warn the older people present against making a crogenic gift to the program unless they were content that a lot of their DNA would be reengineered or discarded as trash. Accept that as my gift to one who could take over the mantle of the lamented Jerry P. How about "I Saw Berhard Riemann in a Dream - and He Was Trying to Get His DNA on to My Spacecraft". Ah. I see that I failed to repeat my further advice to the young that if the speed of light remained limiting a journey to an exoplanet could only be by thousands of capsules of DNA supervised by AI which would choose the planet (s), germinate the hominids and any other inhabitants of Noah's Ark and then bring them up educated in their human history and culture. (What scope for intelligent comedy! How about the brainstorming think tankers who were deciding what would go into the umpteen terabytes of human knowledge to be downloaded?)

    JD – a further contribution to the story line….

    In 500 or 1000 years the hominoid exoplaneteers would inevitably send signals out to any surviving cousins there might be on Earth or elsewhere. Supposing the signal arrives on Earth after a mere 50 years what do Earthlings do? Fortunately AI has been very good at ensuring the ETs’ communications are well designed to be reliably received for what they are, and understood. That doesn’t prevent a scandal on Earth about the alleged failure of the traditional custodians of the mysteries of the 2080 Noah’s Ark to play their assigned part. However the bigger question is what to say in reply to cousins 50 years away who have followed the program weĺl enough to communicate that the average life expectancy of the species is now 300 years. As it is now 200 years on Earth there is no problem in finding people willing to correspond with people who will be able to receive and reply to at least one response from Earth but…can we learn the secret of their 300 years so we can look forward to a good old gossip?

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  102. @Anonymous

    The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities
     
    Both the "mean IQ significantly higher" and "WASP elites" links lead to Vdare pages which show no IQ measurements of any kind. I think I'll skip reading the rest of the article since the author is deceptively linking his claims to... nothing. This kind of deception wouldn't pass muster even on Reddit.

    If he made a copy editing slip, not having the research and clerical backup of a Steven Pinker, it may well have been because he assumed most of his readers would regard verifying that sort of information as a bit of a yawn, as you are suggesting he did.

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    a copy editing slip
     
    That's not a copy editing slip - that's dishonest bluffing. He's deliberately using fake confirmation links to bolster his case. I've only seen this method used by cheap, disposable shills on Reddit up until now. If I were in charge of UR, I'd remove him for blatant shillery. A Free Speech platform (and Free Speech principle) shouldn't protect deliberate deception.
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  103. AaronB says:

    So let me get this straight. There are already far more high IQ whites in this country than Asians, and whites should be easily dominating. But they’re not because whites are stuck in a malaise and can’t be bothered to do the hard work.

    But somehow, whites will muster the will power to keep Asians out, even though they can’t be bothered to seriously compete with Asians and Jews to begin with.

    Yeah, I don’t see it happening, Derb.

    We call this treating the symptom and not the disease – if whites could be bothered to keep Asians out, if whites seriously wanted to hold on to power, if they had that kind of motivation to begin with, Asians would hardly be a serious threat.

    In other words, the motivation to keep Asians out is the same motivation that would make whites work hard and make it unecesary to keep Asians out – a desire to hold onto power.

    And if it’s lacking, then it’s lacking.

    The changes in white mentality needed before whites will seriously begin entertaining the possibility of keeping Asians out would also make whites motivated to work hard, perform, and accomplish again.

    Unless we focus on that, Derb, you’re just treating the symptom not the disease, and that just doesn’t work in the long run.

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    What hard work do you want whites to do if they are going to be kept out of elite institutions by government policies? Our elite would allow every group to organize to advance white interests except white men.
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  104. Kingfelix says:

    “Jews are white, Asians are not”

    Jews were not considered white until 1945 in the US. They presently enjoy the benefits of ‘whiteness’, something many unz.com readers would like revised/revoked.

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    Jews have always been considered white. What happened after 1945 is that what was called the 'five o'clock shadow' gradually dissipated and Jews were able to buy property and rent accomodations in loci were people would have been reluctant to do business with them, land positions from which they'd have been categorically excluded before, and join clubs from which they'd been categorically excluded as well. It didn't matter much to the larger society, but it did change the composition of the social circles of individual Jews and it changed the landscape of the legal profession. See the career of Mario Cuomo; some of the hiring practices in the legal profession prior to 1970 had an impact on ethnics generally.
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  105. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Client 9
    "Time to stop importing an immigrant overclass" yea Derb.. And time to stop spawning them as well.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2012/2014-08-17dl.jpg

    Is that Derb when he was still a young spunk? Not hard to see how he got to import an IQ booster into his Anglo-American bloodline. I like that insouciant JFK like casual suavity with which the Jacket is worn. Bring them down under.

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  106. “The Jewish portion…remained static until World War II.”
    I thought you were going to say something like,”The number of Jewish students declined significantly because of the huge numbers of jews who were killed in combat…” Guess not.

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  107. botazefa says:
    @Americano
    "We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more."

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please--pretty please, with whip cream on top--stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics--upon getting an education and leaving the barrio--either become "White" or marry an Anglo and their kids become "White"--hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

    “According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez”

    Her name is Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski. Why omit her actual surname in your comment body?

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    Is her surname really 'Paterski' or is that a Spanish matronymic? (NB, in some Latin American countries (e.g. Chile) there's a considerable population with non-Hispanic European ancestry).
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  108. Third main point – what to do about mixed-race Asians, of which there are more and more? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too? Or what about if we just classify them as white? Would that be cool with Derb? Sooner or later, this is a topic that Derb and other WNs (who seem as a group to be more likely to have mixed-race Asian kids than the population at large) will have to address.

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    Third main point – what to do about mixed-race Asians? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too?
     
    LOL, I think the Derb will be voting "Nay" on that one.
    , @Hail
    If the mixed-race applicant has a non-Asian geneeirc first and last name, How do they even know the person is Asian?
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  109. @Wizard of Oz
    This surely has some truth in it. It seems likely that the average Indian IQ is much depressed by a caste system which confined large numbers of people to the most menial and cognitively undemanding of tasks for a thousand years or so. Correspondingly, at least some of the higher castes would have been bred for higher IQ - just as the dumb Jew didn't get to marry the rabbi's beautiful young daughter the smart Brahmin or upper commercial caste young man would probably out breed the dimmer.

    The rabbi’s daughter wasn’t so beautiful!

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  110. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a fact: Mr. Derbyshire[s, opinion on who he would bring in to the country is irrelevant compared to the last 200 years of immigrants. His opinion and my/your agreement or disagreement changes nothing,
    It’s like anarcho-libertarian advice about the non-aggression principle, or even economics in an anarcho-capitalist society. The fact is this country the USA, and it’s government, was never an anarcho-libertarian, capitalist society, but started as a Constitutional Republic. Giving advice about what you would like according to principles of an entirely different government social setting is chaos. We are also no closer to the goal of anarcho-libertarian thought but rather democratic/socialist/communist/fascist. For people who don’t vote they sure are into politics with religious talking heads supporting wars over voting. Waring for the right to vote for your over-lords but hey there may be a little welfare thrown in there for you too. Is this really worthy of killing over, voting?
    I don’t even vote and I can.
    Is the quality of the education at these learning centers that great that we are truly churning out geniuses?

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  111. Moi says:
    @anonymous
    “Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.”

    Like the valorous freedom fighters who sodomized Colonel Gaddafi to death for the cackling Mrs. Clinton?

    I noticed that too. I guess the writer likes folks who betray their own in favor of an outsider.

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    This is typical of naked imperialism without any intention of benefitting the world or Noblese Oblige।।

    Long term it leads to an inability to create vassalage & is actually a net negative as it weighs on material technology to overcome shortcomings in social technology

    Tldr

    Good social values make the usage of technology cheaper & more efficient/effective.

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/social-technology-and-anarcho-tyranny/
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  112. MEH 0910 says:
    @Client 9
    "Time to stop importing an immigrant overclass" yea Derb.. And time to stop spawning them as well.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2012/2014-08-17dl.jpg

    I like Derb and his family. I get a kick out of how his daughter has a smiley expression like her mother, and his son has often has a dispassionate countenance like his father.

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    The mother isn't actually smiling and the son looks like he's about to punch someone. (I hope he doesn't regret leaving the Army in future years).
    , @Client 9
    Derb's mutant offspring are gross, and they look nothing like him. That's what happens when you race mix. I guess in Derb's case love is not only blind but desperate!
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  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    If he made a copy editing slip, not having the research and clerical backup of a Steven Pinker, it may well have been because he assumed most of his readers would regard verifying that sort of information as a bit of a yawn, as you are suggesting he did.

    a copy editing slip

    That’s not a copy editing slip – that’s dishonest bluffing. He’s deliberately using fake confirmation links to bolster his case. I’ve only seen this method used by cheap, disposable shills on Reddit up until now. If I were in charge of UR, I’d remove him for blatant shillery. A Free Speech platform (and Free Speech principle) shouldn’t protect deliberate deception.

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    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP "elite" IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP "elites"?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean - but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    His specific claim was to compare WASP elites to Jews, not whites in general to Jews.

    So sloppy thinking and dishonesty sll around - what is the motivation behind it?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Well I haven't followed up but I expect someone (maybe Ron Unz) will give you a proper reply because I know John Derbyshire and know you have got him wrong.
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  114. Art Deco says:
    @Kingfelix
    "Jews are white, Asians are not"

    Jews were not considered white until 1945 in the US. They presently enjoy the benefits of 'whiteness', something many unz.com readers would like revised/revoked.

    Jews have always been considered white. What happened after 1945 is that what was called the ‘five o’clock shadow’ gradually dissipated and Jews were able to buy property and rent accomodations in loci were people would have been reluctant to do business with them, land positions from which they’d have been categorically excluded before, and join clubs from which they’d been categorically excluded as well. It didn’t matter much to the larger society, but it did change the composition of the social circles of individual Jews and it changed the landscape of the legal profession. See the career of Mario Cuomo; some of the hiring practices in the legal profession prior to 1970 had an impact on ethnics generally.

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    You disagree with my statement re Jews not always being white, then cite copious examples of them being excluded because they were non-whites. Erm.
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  115. Art Deco says:
    @MEH 0910
    I like Derb and his family. I get a kick out of how his daughter has a smiley expression like her mother, and his son has often has a dispassionate countenance like his father.

    The mother isn’t actually smiling and the son looks like he’s about to punch someone. (I hope he doesn’t regret leaving the Army in future years).

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  116. Art Deco says:
    @botazefa
    "According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez"

    Her name is Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski. Why omit her actual surname in your comment body?

    Is her surname really ‘Paterski’ or is that a Spanish matronymic? (NB, in some Latin American countries (e.g. Chile) there’s a considerable population with non-Hispanic European ancestry).

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    Looks to be her surname (from her dad, Mark Pasterski) to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Gonzalez_Pasterski

    Wiki even has her photo. You can judge for yourself how amerind she appears.

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  117. Che Guava says:
    @Bill Jones
    He does love him some Yid doesn't he.

    Yeah,

    It is interesting how the Derb refuses to recognise the tribal games they play. I have a very similar work background to the Derb, except for Eurasian and younger. Three SD’s above the average for Ashkenazi. It was getting me nowhere in my time in western countries, so leaving.

    … but my one close Jewish friend in those times was Sephardi, looking like a hairier Arab.

    Nice person, and expert on film, always good company. Would guessing he also had high IQ relative to Ashkenazi mean.

    The invasion of US institutions, they favour their own, so they have inordinate power, which they are using to screw the place up, or just to screw it

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  118. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    a copy editing slip
     
    That's not a copy editing slip - that's dishonest bluffing. He's deliberately using fake confirmation links to bolster his case. I've only seen this method used by cheap, disposable shills on Reddit up until now. If I were in charge of UR, I'd remove him for blatant shillery. A Free Speech platform (and Free Speech principle) shouldn't protect deliberate deception.

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    His specific claim was to compare WASP elites to Jews, not whites in general to Jews.

    So sloppy thinking and dishonesty sll around – what is the motivation behind it?

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    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.
     
    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the "WASP elite."

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the "elite WASP" population---obviously a highly imprecise term---that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.
    , @renfro

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?
     
    Read what he wrote.

    ''Taken in combination, these trends all provide powerful evidence that over the last decade or more there has been a dramatic collapse in Jewish academic achievement, at least at the high end.
    Several possible explanations for this empirical result seem reasonably plausible. Although the innate potential of a group is unlikely to drop so suddenly, achievement is a function of both ability and effort, and today’s overwhelmingly affluent Jewish students may be far less diligent in their work habits or driven in their studies than were their parents or grandparents, who lived much closer to the bracing challenges of the immigrant experience. In support of this hypothesis, roughly half of the Jewish Math Olympiad winners from the last two decades have had the sort of highly distinctive names which would tend to mark them as recent immigrants from the Soviet Union or elsewhere, and such names were also very common among the top Jewish science students of the same period, even though this group represents only about 10 percent of current American Jews. Indeed, it seems quite possible that this large sudden influx of very high performing immigrant Jews from the late 1980s onward served to partially mask the rapid concurrent decline of high academic achievement among native American Jews, which otherwise would have become much more clearly evident a decade or so earlier.
    This pattern of third or fourth generation American students lacking the academic drive or intensity of their forefathers is hardly surprising, nor unique to Jews. Consider the case of Japanese-Americans, who mostly arrived in America during roughly the same era. America’s Japanese have always been a high-performing group, with a strong academic tradition, and Japan’s international PISA academic scores are today among the highest in the world. But when we examine the list of California’s NMS semifinalists, less than 1 percent of the names are Japanese, roughly in line with their share of the California population.[62] Meanwhile, Chinese, Koreans, and South Asians are 6 percent of California but contribute 50 percent of the top scoring students, an eight-fold better result, with a major likely difference being that they are overwhelmingly of recent immigrant origin. In fact, although ongoing Japanese immigration has been trivial in size, a significant fraction of the top Japanese students have the unassimilated Japanese first names that would tend to indicate they are probably drawn from that tiny group.
    In some respects, perhaps it was the enormously outsize Jewish academic performance of the past which was highly anomalous, and the more recent partial convergence toward white European norms which is somewhat less surprising. Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,[64] but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.[65]

    In a previous article “Race, IQ & Wealth,” I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.[66] Given that Jews have always been America’s most heavily urbanized population and became the most affluent during the decades in question, these factors may account for a substantial portion of their huge IQ rise during most of the twentieth century. But with modern electronic technology recently narrowing the gaps in social environment and educational opportunities between America’s rural and urban worlds, we might expect a portion of this difference to gradually dissipate. American Jews are certainly a high-ability population, but the innate advantage they have over other high-ability white populations is probably far smaller than is widely believed
    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109.
    But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.
    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews
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  119. AaronB says:

    The level of mendacity, tendentious arguments, sloppy thinking, refusal to acknowledge inconvenient facts has grown exponentially in the past ten years since I’ve seen discussions of IQ.

    It used to be possible to have a fairly reasonable argument, but it’s just a joke these days.

    I guess that’s the way of everything, though. Decay, decay, decay.

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  120. Truth says:
    @Client 9
    "Time to stop importing an immigrant overclass" yea Derb.. And time to stop spawning them as well.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2012/2014-08-17dl.jpg

    Hey that’s a pretty damn good pic, Derb. You look almost, sorta…virile.

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  121. @Anonymous

    a copy editing slip
     
    That's not a copy editing slip - that's dishonest bluffing. He's deliberately using fake confirmation links to bolster his case. I've only seen this method used by cheap, disposable shills on Reddit up until now. If I were in charge of UR, I'd remove him for blatant shillery. A Free Speech platform (and Free Speech principle) shouldn't protect deliberate deception.

    Well I haven’t followed up but I expect someone (maybe Ron Unz) will give you a proper reply because I know John Derbyshire and know you have got him wrong.

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  122. Truth says:
    @G Pinfold

    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you’d prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?
     
    This kind of looks like a rhetorical question. But on the slim chance that it’s not, I’m going to choose Botswana. (But then I’m not a thirty-something on the make. The hustle and bustle of Shanghai is wasted on me.)

    I hear Botswana is a real nice place.

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  123. Joe Wong says:
    @Yan Shen

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —
     
    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren't these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

    The Indian maintains their caste system for a reason despite they are the largest democracy in the world, it is an Indian upper castes’ builtin fail safe mechanism to make sure that “regression to the mean” does not adversely affect their offspring. Perhaps the slow pace of modernization, the stagnation of social and equality development, the anxiety to be recognized by their ex-colonial master, etc. in India are some of the end products of that builtin fail safe system.

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  124. botazefa says:
    @Art Deco
    Is her surname really 'Paterski' or is that a Spanish matronymic? (NB, in some Latin American countries (e.g. Chile) there's a considerable population with non-Hispanic European ancestry).

    Looks to be her surname (from her dad, Mark Pasterski) to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Gonzalez_Pasterski

    Wiki even has her photo. You can judge for yourself how amerind she appears.

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  125. Truth says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Third main point - what to do about mixed-race Asians, of which there are more and more? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too? Or what about if we just classify them as white? Would that be cool with Derb? Sooner or later, this is a topic that Derb and other WNs (who seem as a group to be more likely to have mixed-race Asian kids than the population at large) will have to address.

    Third main point – what to do about mixed-race Asians? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too?

    LOL, I think the Derb will be voting “Nay” on that one.

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  126. Kingfelix says:
    @Art Deco
    Jews have always been considered white. What happened after 1945 is that what was called the 'five o'clock shadow' gradually dissipated and Jews were able to buy property and rent accomodations in loci were people would have been reluctant to do business with them, land positions from which they'd have been categorically excluded before, and join clubs from which they'd been categorically excluded as well. It didn't matter much to the larger society, but it did change the composition of the social circles of individual Jews and it changed the landscape of the legal profession. See the career of Mario Cuomo; some of the hiring practices in the legal profession prior to 1970 had an impact on ethnics generally.

    You disagree with my statement re Jews not always being white, then cite copious examples of them being excluded because they were non-whites. Erm.

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    excluded because they were non-whites. E

    That's not why people weren't socializing with them. This isn't that difficult.
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  127. The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same.

    Okay, let’s get out a ruler and measure the size of the circles for two sample schools, Harvard and Caltech. The diameters of the four circles for Harvard are 10.3, 9.8, 8.0, 12.6 mm, and for Caltech they are 14.0, 15.5, 3.2, 5.8 mm. So the total area of the four circles is 333.54 mm^2 for Harvard and 376.90 mm^2 for Caltech. This is not the same total area. What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?

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    The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same....What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?
     
    I'll admit I never considered this question. I simply provided my quantitative data to a professional graphic artist, and assumed he used his software package properly since the results seemed reasonable by very casual inspection, presumably based on area.

    But doesn't your supposed discrepancy ignore the fraction of black or Hispanic students at the various schools, which is obviously far larger at Harvard or the Ivies than at strictly meritocratic Caltech?

    However, unlike that silly "Art Deco" troll, your question seems absolutely sincere and appropriate.

    Anyway, the numbers themselves are the key data, and here's a link to their sources:

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4
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  128. Iberiano [AKA "Scotty"] says:
    @Americano
    "We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more."

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please--pretty please, with whip cream on top--stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics--upon getting an education and leaving the barrio--either become "White" or marry an Anglo and their kids become "White"--hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

    As a “white Hispanic” myself, I would argue that the base problem is the elephant in the room, of which your example is a perfect example. Sabrina Gonzalez is WHITE. Nevermind one of her parents (father) is white (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski), the fact is, like light skinned blacks who go around saying “ya, but both my parents are black!?!?” (when they are both super light skinned), we continue to pretend that the term “Hispanic” or “Latino” means something BEYOND what our own eyes tell us. The most intelligent Hispanics are the MOST IBERIAN, and often have other mixtures such as Italian, Jew, Portuguese, etc (with all that can be mixed with), or in some cases, in Latin America, EVEN GERMAN.

    Someone simply arriving on our shores and being tagged “Latino” demonstrates nothing (a term which was solely created to catagorize for affirmative action purposes–no matter how much Latino/Hispanics complain “that’s a term that was put on us!”)

    While other Hispanics like to play games with the concept “OMG we are not a race, we are so much more than that, and we can be of any color” my fellow Hispanics are PERFECTLY comfortable acting like “People of Color” when it suits them–or even, ironically, referring to all white people as Anglo, when most Americans have significant German and/or Celtic blood, not to mention the millions of others who are Slavic, Italic or some variant of white Arab/Persian.

    Sabrina Gonzalez Pastersk is a white Cuban, so let’s not pretend she is some dark, mestizo coming from some indigenous background (I’d wager she is nearly 100 percent European descent).

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    (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski),

    The name per Ancestry is concentrated in Wisconsin and Illinois, so more likely Slavic. The given names of people with the Pasterski surname in the 1940 Census have a much more Polish-Catholic vibe than a Jewish vibe (among them Sofia, Theresa, Constance, Earl, Louis, Peter, Benedict, Josephine, Clarence, Anna, Stella, Walter...).
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  129. Cuck Dad of the Year

    “You wanna hump my daughter? Great!! Here’s a free car to go along with it.”

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.

    So, cucked whites import Asians to serve as overunderclass and import black seed to colonize white wombs into producing more Colin Kaepernicks and Obamas of the World.

    Asians may win in IQ game, but whites will really lose in the Insemination game to blacks. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the real decisive factor, esp as BBC is now retro-blackening British history. And European TV run pro-ACOWW ads all over the place.
    As for the US, blacks are worshiped as a demigod race.

    And of course, the Tribe is laughing at cuck white stupidity.

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    More kikemason BS. I watched exactly 6 seconds. The "chick" has an obvious Adam's apple. Transgender actor and a Prince-Hall kid doing a pre-prepared skit to ensnare stupid people.

    Consider yourself stupid.

    , @Rdm
    Scientific study showed that Blacks in general have nail clubbing which indicates some forms of association with diseases in the body.

    Whites are destroying their centuries long in-breeding genetics with totally rudimentary genetic pool. Real cucks indeed.
    , @Anonymous

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.
     
    LOL I like that term. What will be the IQ of junglo-saxons, 92.5? Doesn't bode well for America does it?
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  130. Art Deco says:
    @Kingfelix
    You disagree with my statement re Jews not always being white, then cite copious examples of them being excluded because they were non-whites. Erm.

    excluded because they were non-whites. E

    That’s not why people weren’t socializing with them. This isn’t that difficult.

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  131. [If you keep changing your Handle, all your future comments will be trashed. Given random rantings and lack of good grammar and punctuation, that would certainly be no loss.]

    All that is well and good keeping out asians latins and africans ,but the million dollar question is how are you gonna get better genes to give you are better quality of life especcially chinese genes to replace your suspect genes.

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  132. For me this matter is simple,

    we need not a single more foreigner period until will take care of our own. We need neither rich or poor, bright or unbright, connected or unconnected to be imported to meet the needs of the US.

    For all foreigners come with one thing in mind. That is to better their lot at the expense of the citizens we have and that is unacceptable. I give not penny worth of value to the whining of Miss Coulter or Pres Trump about the best and the brightest. American first means US citizens first regardless of rank, income, personhood, education color or class –

    No US citizen comes second to the demands of any foreigner from any location or social set or supposed economic value.

    And no scripture supports undermining the sovereignty of the US or other states that in no way hinder the transportation of christ’s teachings. And the mexican gambit by christains law and order crowd to undermine the laws of US sovereignty is hypocrisy at its most twisted in the name of Christ, comparable to the mark of cain being dark skin –

    Asians, europeans, latinos, africans, middle easterners — need not apply. And I would not argue that Pres Trump has turned out to be far less courageous than his prognostications, embarrassingly just the opposite.

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    until will take care of our own
     
    Exactly. Democracy only works if citizens can push their own representatives to represent their own interests. Anything else is treason.
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  133. @Priss Factor
    They will be the uber-unter class or over-under class.

    They will rise over white masses but serve as commissars under Jews, Homos, and white cuck elites.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don't know how to lead or think. They only know how to study, follow, and imitate. So, they will be the commissar class of globo hegemony. They will work against both white patriots and yellow patriots in Asia. They will identify mainly with privilege under globalism.

    Jewish Globalists push Diversity in elite institutions to make all gentile elites identify mainly with Privileged-Diversity than with their own kind.
    British Imperialists did the same thing. They trained diverse elites of all colors to identify primarily with British Imperialism than with their own kind. So, if Hindu, African, Arab, or Asian elites all studied together in British institutions, they would identify more with one another as happy subjects of the British Empire than identify with their own racial kin.

    This system came under attack during the Anti-Imperialist period that accelerated after WWII, which brought upon the Golden Age of Universal Nationalism.
    But Jewish-Homo globo-hegemony centered in the US is pushing a new kind of Universal Imperialism where ALL NATIONS(except Israel) are opened up for massive Inclusion-Invasion or Inclasion and Homomania as the neo-religion.

    If white gentile patriots ruled America, yellows might serve them. But because PC is the official Template of the land, they will serve Jewish/Homo globalists and Mulattoes. Also, they will race-mix with Jews, white cuck elites, and mulattoes. And yellow homos and trannies will esp be favored over yellow straights. They will be Yellow Dogs of globalism. Just look at the daughters of Amy Chua.

    Chewish agents of homo-globalist-imperialism.

    Yellows(beautiful yellow skin is age resistant and cancer resistant) dont serve people with smaller brains (specifically the small brain british) than themselves in other words no other race

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  134. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal.
     
    You are right, of course. Neither China nor India are seeing a large percentage quantity of emigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    The notion that 'all Chinese and Indians want to come here' has not been true for a while. Of course, these WN wiggers never look at data, as it is above their IQ grade.

    Still using the word wigger when it means the exact opposite of what you think it means.

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  135. Hail says: • Website
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Third main point - what to do about mixed-race Asians, of which there are more and more? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too? Or what about if we just classify them as white? Would that be cool with Derb? Sooner or later, this is a topic that Derb and other WNs (who seem as a group to be more likely to have mixed-race Asian kids than the population at large) will have to address.

    If the mixed-race applicant has a non-Asian geneeirc first and last name, How do they even know the person is Asian?

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  136. @Yan Shen

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.
     
    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations...

    Most, no all indians i have met are better at business and have a lot more common sense than chinese people in the US, meaning the rude idiotic cantonese with their shit accent.

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  137. @Yan Shen
    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    That mainland chinese nerd is a fool, idiot does not realise those kids protesting are on his side hope he realises this sooner than later.

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    How do you know he is Chinese, let alone mainland Chinese? He speaks English with a Korean accent. Because he is Asian, one of the protesters immediately assumes he is Chinese and tells him to go back to Beijing. Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees. How are these protesters on his side? Were he studying for his exams when they protest in the library, they aren't going to pay for his tuition if he flunks his class and they aren't going to persuade Samsung to hire him if he gets a bunch of Cs.
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  138. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    We all have to go back.
     
    Not just that, but many of the WN wiggers who say 'you have to go back' are lesser whites like Poles and Russians. They desperately want to take credit for Western Civ that they did nothing to build, while pulling rank on US-born blacks who can trace lineage here for 400 years.

    The other idiocy of the 'You have to go back' baby-level intellects is that once you become a US citizen, you often have to renounce your old citizenship (dual-citizenship is often not full in the other country). Hence, a US citizen would become stateless if his US citizenship is stripped. Therefore, there will never, ever, ever be an expulsion of people who are already US citizens (halting new Naturalizations is another matter).

    WNs retards who cry 'you have to go back' have no idea how citizenship, surrendering of the old citizenship, and statelessness works.

    Of course, White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

    Still using the word wigger when you have no idea of what it means.

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    I know exactly what it means, and have explained at length why it exceptionally accurate in describing the typical WN (who has more in common with blacks than with mainstream whites).

    Your lack of self-awareness is not my problem.
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  139. Alden says:
    @Brabantian
    To summarise a very striking John Derbyshire article & state some key discussion points & implications ... i.e., 'How the USA was invaded & dominated by Jews & Asians':

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that

    (a) Other tribals / ethnics significantly do not assimilate as claimed in 'multi-cultural dream' propaganda, and

    (b) So-called 'meritocracy' merely forfeits power & influence to whatever group of ethnics / tribals can best game the offered 'merit' system, immiserating the local natives

    In 1880-1920 a great many Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to the USA, who had greatly higher IQs than natives

    These Jews became an intrinsic problem, because they resist assimilation, keep significant tribal co-operation & mutual assistance, & because their particular IQ aspects & tribal traits, lead Jews to -

    (a) Greatly & successfully control much of media & academia, 'framing' information & discourse where they live, for their own benefit

    (b) Significantly augment the oligarchy in power, trading on centuries of history as 'court Jews', eagerness to serve rulers as a tribal survival technique ... a fact well-known to oligarchs in modern times, who prize Jews as their most effective servants or mafias, with charges of 'anti-Semitism' able to be hurled at anyone questioning these arrangements

    This means that corruption favouring the oligarchy will tend to become very Jewish when a large number of Jews are in a society, given their predilection for being oligarch assistants (not to deny there are also revolutionary & dissident Jews etc) ... and a mafia of 'them' has significant drawbacks versus home-grown mafia

    By the 1920s the Jewish 'takeover' already came to be seen as a problem, as USA universities etc started to be flooded with Jewish people, and Jews became increasingly involved in media (Hollywood, the press) and government

    USA universities responded with quotas ... which Jewish media & political power were then able to quash after a time, via their strong influence

    In a temporary compromise, elite universities adopted 'holistic subjective' admissions criteria, without formal discrimination, allowing unusually large numbers of Jews, but still not as many as Jewish high IQs and system-gaming traits would have produced

    Jews themselves now find the shoe on the other foot, however, as Asians with even higher IQs, and even better merit-system-gaming techniques, now take places at universities that were formerly won by Jews

    It is a bit of a different situation, as Asians excel in different areas; tend to avoid abrasive confrontation scenarios; are not as driven to seek media control, nor wide political power through personal service to oligarchs ... although they also rather resist assimilation, and become quite dominant at high levels, especially in professional technical fields

    But now, with two major elite groups having been imported, who have higher IQs and the abilities to push aside the old locals via 'meritocracy', with the first big group having begun doing this more than a century ago ... the old locals are, as they say, shite out of luck

    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn’t get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.

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    The term "elites" gets tossed around like confetti or something as easy to throw but less latently toxic, and it rarely needs to carry much weight. Yet I find it difficult to understand it being applied to such hard scrabble political operators as Johnson and Nixon. Can you or some other American (majority shareholders in the English language while Indians still have only nonvoting shares) please explain or suggest proper usage.
    , @Art Deco
    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Johnson and Nixon held high political office. Neither one were in their upbringing members of the Establishment in the way Roosevelt or Adlai Stevenson or Henry Cabot Lodge or Robert Taft or Wm. Scranton were of the Establishment. And they weren't anywhere near the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and Bushes. (BTW, the last portion of your remark is flat-out lunatic fringe nutcase crazy).
    , @Art Deco
    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees.

    The most assiduous critics of AA in the Democratic Party ca. 1980 were Ed Koch, Martin Peretz, Morris Abram, and John Bunzel. It was this issue that persuaded a number in that opinion journalists' circle you're all so preoccupied with to leave the Democratic Party.

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  140. Ron Unz says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    The diagram titled "Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011" is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same.

    Okay, let's get out a ruler and measure the size of the circles for two sample schools, Harvard and Caltech. The diameters of the four circles for Harvard are 10.3, 9.8, 8.0, 12.6 mm, and for Caltech they are 14.0, 15.5, 3.2, 5.8 mm. So the total area of the four circles is 333.54 mm^2 for Harvard and 376.90 mm^2 for Caltech. This is not the same total area. What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?

    The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same….What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?

    I’ll admit I never considered this question. I simply provided my quantitative data to a professional graphic artist, and assumed he used his software package properly since the results seemed reasonable by very casual inspection, presumably based on area.

    But doesn’t your supposed discrepancy ignore the fraction of black or Hispanic students at the various schools, which is obviously far larger at Harvard or the Ivies than at strictly meritocratic Caltech?

    However, unlike that silly “Art Deco” troll, your question seems absolutely sincere and appropriate.

    Anyway, the numbers themselves are the key data, and here’s a link to their sources:

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

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    Ah, that explains it. The four color-coded groups do not make up the entirety of the student body. For Harvard their total is 72%, and for Caltech their total is 80% (unless I misadded). And (Caltech's total four-dot area)/(Harvard's total four-dot area) = 80/72 (approximately).
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  141. Factorize says:

    The at most 15 point IQ that defines the average advantage of high IQ groups is entirely insignificant when considered in the context of optimized human intelligence. It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    Given this truth, why is the conversation being so strongly shaped by small inconsequential differences? Current genetic engineering technologies make differences of 1 or 2 SD largely devoid of relevance. When will commentary on group IQ differences acknowledge the present ability of genetic enhancement to increase IQ?

    It should be fairly clear to all that the time scale for a non-native intellectual elite dominating the socio-political landscapes of other nations (including America’s) is very limited. Current technology easily allows for the selection of embryos with a 1 SD increase in intelligence. This would negate any advantage by high IQ groups.

    In order to honestly address this emerging social transformation certain policies could be reasonably be considered. For example, the notion of equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome principle could be rethought. If genetics can equalize outcomes, then perhaps a more forcefully applied affirmation action should now be contemplated. This would avoid the possibility that some groups might attempt to delay the development of genetic technology. If minority groups were now guaranteed proportional access to medical schools, then delaying genetic engineering would only result in minority doctors serving the community without the highest level of competence. We wold all lose from such an outcome.

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    It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.
     
    In most cases like this I'd ask for proof but in this case it'd likely result in a hypelink to a colourful picture of a magic mushroom so... nevermind.
    , @edgeslider
    Yes, these technologies are the only thing that can lead us to an outcome other than the train wreak of tribal balkanization and collapse of the West at this point. The reaction can at best only buy time until such technologies makes these matters irrelevant
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  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    For me this matter is simple,

    we need not a single more foreigner period until will take care of our own. We need neither rich or poor, bright or unbright, connected or unconnected to be imported to meet the needs of the US.


    For all foreigners come with one thing in mind. That is to better their lot at the expense of the citizens we have and that is unacceptable. I give not penny worth of value to the whining of Miss Coulter or Pres Trump about the best and the brightest. American first means US citizens first regardless of rank, income, personhood, education color or class --

    No US citizen comes second to the demands of any foreigner from any location or social set or supposed economic value.


    And no scripture supports undermining the sovereignty of the US or other states that in no way hinder the transportation of christ's teachings. And the mexican gambit by christains law and order crowd to undermine the laws of US sovereignty is hypocrisy at its most twisted in the name of Christ, comparable to the mark of cain being dark skin --

    Asians, europeans, latinos, africans, middle easterners -- need not apply. And I would not argue that Pres Trump has turned out to be far less courageous than his prognostications, embarrassingly just the opposite.

    until will take care of our own

    Exactly. Democracy only works if citizens can push their own representatives to represent their own interests. Anything else is treason.

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  143. Ron Unz says:
    @AaronB
    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP "elite" IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP "elites"?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean - but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    His specific claim was to compare WASP elites to Jews, not whites in general to Jews.

    So sloppy thinking and dishonesty sll around - what is the motivation behind it?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the “WASP elite.”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the “elite WASP” population—obviously a highly imprecise term—that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.

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    Thanks, Ron. Yes, I vaguely remember reading that Jewish IQs were not even significantly higher than whites during that era in your excellent articles on the subject of meritocracy.

    An astonishing fact that you would think any reasonably honest person would try and account for when formulating his opinions on the subject of Jewish ovetepresrntation in the Ivies.

    But no such luck.

    That is a very interesting point, that the Ivies only drew from a narrow band of whites, and things would look very different had they drawn from the whole countrty.

    This strikes me as very likely correct, and is yet another fissure in the theory that our current arrangement is a pure meritocracy.

    Sadly, there seems little chance that advocates of the meritocracy theory will reconsider their position in light of these inconvenient facts, or really, any amount of data - they aren't exactly disinterested parties, and their emotional biases render them incapable of objectivity on this subject.

    You are one of the few who seem prepared to bring an impartial honesty to your assessment of cold hard data, and I've learned a lot from your articles on the subject, Ron.
    , @Jeff77450
    Good point.
    , @Hail

    if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.
     
    You are referring here to the 1910s and 1920s and what you say does seem plausible or potentially plausible. It seems far less so for today, the 2010s, when college application by the right half of the IQ bell curve is near universal.

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?
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  144. utu says:
    @Hail

    Given the “tail effect” you get in statistical distributions with different means, though, it perhaps reflects the reality of higher mean Ashkenazi intelligence.
     
    The data you present, from Ron Unz's research, says that White-Gentiles and Jews are at 1:1 parity in the Ivy League today. Can the "(right) tail effect" explain this?
    _________________________________________
    Scenario 1 ('High-Bound Jewish Population/IQ')
    Given:
    - 192 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 8 million ethnic Ashlenazi Jews with average IQ=115

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.63 million non-Jewish Whites
    2.97 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ 'tail' is 6-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.90 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.73 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ 'tail' is 2.6-to-1.


    Scenario 2 ('Low-Bound Jewish Population/IQ')
    Given:
    - 194 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 6 million ethnic Ashkenazi Jews with average IQ=110

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.81 million non-Jewish Whites
    1.51 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ 'tail' is 12-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.92 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.29 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ 'tail' is: 6.7-to-1.
    _________________________________________

    Just sticking with IQ 135+, a truly cognitive elite set, the top 1% or so (don't tell me the Ivy League draws from a pool even narrower than 135+), we do see that the "tail effect" doesn't explain this.

    Even using the most favorable numbers for Jews -- assuming a high-end Jewish population (8mln) and high-end IQ=115 figure -- there should be up to three White-Christians for every Jew in the Ivy League. Using the lower figures -- IQ=110 and 6mln -- there should be six or seven White-Gentiles for every Jew.

    IQ does not explain ethnic activism and ethnic nepotism. But these subjects are the real taboo. That’s why sites like “La Griffe du Lion” are pushing fat tail theory to explain Jewish overrepresentation. In other words Jews are smarter and thus can’t be blamed for it.

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    Is there any scientific explanation for the purported non-normal distribution, or is this just "post facto" postulating to make the data fit the observation?
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  145. @Alden
    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn't get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.

    The term “elites” gets tossed around like confetti or something as easy to throw but less latently toxic, and it rarely needs to carry much weight. Yet I find it difficult to understand it being applied to such hard scrabble political operators as Johnson and Nixon. Can you or some other American (majority shareholders in the English language while Indians still have only nonvoting shares) please explain or suggest proper usage.

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  146. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor
    Cuck Dad of the Year

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cguE3oOZE50

    "You wanna hump my daughter? Great!! Here's a free car to go along with it."

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.

    So, cucked whites import Asians to serve as overunderclass and import black seed to colonize white wombs into producing more Colin Kaepernicks and Obamas of the World.

    Asians may win in IQ game, but whites will really lose in the Insemination game to blacks. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the real decisive factor, esp as BBC is now retro-blackening British history. And European TV run pro-ACOWW ads all over the place.
    As for the US, blacks are worshiped as a demigod race.

    And of course, the Tribe is laughing at cuck white stupidity.

    More kikemason BS. I watched exactly 6 seconds. The “chick” has an obvious Adam’s apple. Transgender actor and a Prince-Hall kid doing a pre-prepared skit to ensnare stupid people.

    Consider yourself stupid.

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    Surely you know from personal experience than when you humped all the white womenfolk in town, their daddies, husbands, brothers, and uncles showered you with free money, free cars, free gift certificates, and free houses.

    Not only do they want to prove to Truth that they are not 'racist' but they worship the negrovah.

    I mean did you see the new messiah cult around Obama in 2008? They were fainting all over the place.
    , @anon
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5171719/Students-family-surprises-boyfriend-car.html
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  147. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.
     
    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the "WASP elite."

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the "elite WASP" population---obviously a highly imprecise term---that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.

    Thanks, Ron. Yes, I vaguely remember reading that Jewish IQs were not even significantly higher than whites during that era in your excellent articles on the subject of meritocracy.

    An astonishing fact that you would think any reasonably honest person would try and account for when formulating his opinions on the subject of Jewish ovetepresrntation in the Ivies.

    But no such luck.

    That is a very interesting point, that the Ivies only drew from a narrow band of whites, and things would look very different had they drawn from the whole countrty.

    This strikes me as very likely correct, and is yet another fissure in the theory that our current arrangement is a pure meritocracy.

    Sadly, there seems little chance that advocates of the meritocracy theory will reconsider their position in light of these inconvenient facts, or really, any amount of data – they aren’t exactly disinterested parties, and their emotional biases render them incapable of objectivity on this subject.

    You are one of the few who seem prepared to bring an impartial honesty to your assessment of cold hard data, and I’ve learned a lot from your articles on the subject, Ron.

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  148. @HunAnon
    I don't agree that Jews are white. They may look white, but many of them don't identify as whites. Many Israelis, for example don't even look European, rather Middle Eastern. A lot of them would pass as Arab or Iranian.
    I also don't agree with the "Nobody else at all" line. The US should allow white Europeans to immigrate, why should it close the door for Eastern Europeans for example? Just repeal the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and go back to the policies before that.

    The policies in place before 1965 greatly limited the number of Eastern Europeans while allowing unlimited immigration from Latin America and the Caribbean. I don’t think you want that.

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  149. Jeff77450 says:

    John, I usually don’t find your articles depressing but this one is. Without (non-Jewish) white people there wouldn’t be anything remotely resembling the United States of America here today. Literally every single country south of the U.S. border is proof of that. The overwhelming majority of the fighting & dying in our many wars, virtually all, has been by white people.

    My g3-grandfather, James Corner, served in the Texas army during the Texas Revolution. My great-grandfather, John Thomas York, lost an arm in the Civil War (and went on to father 17 or 18 children with two wives). My dad, R.I.P., served in WWII and I served in ODS.

    How & why are we being dispossessed of our own nation?? And yes, it is disproportionately ours.

    I don’t blame the Asians & Jews one bit for working hard and achieving as much as possible. I applaud them. This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious. But I’m also angry at the undercurrent of the Leftist agenda which is that the straight white Christian male *must* *not* *win*.

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    This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious.
     
    Bad parenting is a huge problem. Whites are selfish hedonists. They don't care about the problems this causes for their children (if they even bother to have children).
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  150. Jeff77450 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.
     
    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the "WASP elite."

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the "elite WASP" population---obviously a highly imprecise term---that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.

    Good point.

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  151. renfro says:

    The measurement of intelligence may be changing. Faster processing ( faster thinking) of information may mean more than simple quantity of information.

    ”The main point is that to make the most compelling argument that intelligence increases after an intervention, a ratio scale of intelligence is required. None yet exists and meaningful progress may require a new way of defining intelligence based on measureable brain or information
    processing variables. For example, gray and white matter density in specific brain regions assessed by imaging and expressed as a profile of standard scores based on a normative group might substitute for intelligence test scores work by Engle and colleagues suggests that working memory capacity and perceptual speed are possible ways to assess fluid intelligence (Broadway and Engle, based on a large body of research that shows faster mental processing speed and increased memory capacity are related to higher intelligence.

    Jensen has written extensively about an evolution from psychometrics to mental the use of response time in milliseconds to measure information processing in a standard way argued that the construct of intelligence could be replaced in favor of ratio scale measures of speed of information processing assessed during standardized cognitive tasks like the Hick paradigm.

    Such measures, for example, would help advance research about the underlying
    neurophysiology of mental speed and might lead to a more advanced definition of
    intelligence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479188/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3950413/

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  152. Hail says: • Website
    @utu
    IQ does not explain ethnic activism and ethnic nepotism. But these subjects are the real taboo. That's why sites like "La Griffe du Lion" are pushing fat tail theory to explain Jewish overrepresentation. In other words Jews are smarter and thus can't be blamed for it.

    Is there any scientific explanation for the purported non-normal distribution, or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation?

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    or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115? The estimate of SD is even worse. So it is just assumed to be 15.
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  153. renfro says:
    @AaronB
    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP "elite" IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP "elites"?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean - but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    His specific claim was to compare WASP elites to Jews, not whites in general to Jews.

    So sloppy thinking and dishonesty sll around - what is the motivation behind it?

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?

    Read what he wrote.

    ”Taken in combination, these trends all provide powerful evidence that over the last decade or more there has been a dramatic collapse in Jewish academic achievement, at least at the high end.
    Several possible explanations for this empirical result seem reasonably plausible. Although the innate potential of a group is unlikely to drop so suddenly, achievement is a function of both ability and effort, and today’s overwhelmingly affluent Jewish students may be far less diligent in their work habits or driven in their studies than were their parents or grandparents, who lived much closer to the bracing challenges of the immigrant experience. In support of this hypothesis, roughly half of the Jewish Math Olympiad winners from the last two decades have had the sort of highly distinctive names which would tend to mark them as recent immigrants from the Soviet Union or elsewhere, and such names were also very common among the top Jewish science students of the same period, even though this group represents only about 10 percent of current American Jews. Indeed, it seems quite possible that this large sudden influx of very high performing immigrant Jews from the late 1980s onward served to partially mask the rapid concurrent decline of high academic achievement among native American Jews, which otherwise would have become much more clearly evident a decade or so earlier.
    This pattern of third or fourth generation American students lacking the academic drive or intensity of their forefathers is hardly surprising, nor unique to Jews. Consider the case of Japanese-Americans, who mostly arrived in America during roughly the same era. America’s Japanese have always been a high-performing group, with a strong academic tradition, and Japan’s international PISA academic scores are today among the highest in the world. But when we examine the list of California’s NMS semifinalists, less than 1 percent of the names are Japanese, roughly in line with their share of the California population.[62] Meanwhile, Chinese, Koreans, and South Asians are 6 percent of California but contribute 50 percent of the top scoring students, an eight-fold better result, with a major likely difference being that they are overwhelmingly of recent immigrant origin. In fact, although ongoing Japanese immigration has been trivial in size, a significant fraction of the top Japanese students have the unassimilated Japanese first names that would tend to indicate they are probably drawn from that tiny group.
    In some respects, perhaps it was the enormously outsize Jewish academic performance of the past which was highly anomalous, and the more recent partial convergence toward white European norms which is somewhat less surprising. Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,[64] but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.[65]

    In a previous article “Race, IQ & Wealth,” I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.[66] Given that Jews have always been America’s most heavily urbanized population and became the most affluent during the decades in question, these factors may account for a substantial portion of their huge IQ rise during most of the twentieth century. But with modern electronic technology recently narrowing the gaps in social environment and educational opportunities between America’s rural and urban worlds, we might expect a portion of this difference to gradually dissipate. American Jews are certainly a high-ability population, but the innate advantage they have over other high-ability white populations is probably far smaller than is widely believed
    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109.
    But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.
    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

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    I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say.

    I was objecting to Derbyshires dishonest and tendentious - or at least sloppy and confused - statement.

    As for Ron's quote - I can only say I had not realized how completely my position was just a restatement of Ron's, and there is a good chance I subconsciously lifted it from him.

    Or perhaps it is simply that any unbiassed observer is bound to notice something doesn't add up in our "meritocracy", and motivation and drive are ridiculously obvious candidates for making up the discrepancy?
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  154. Hail says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.
     
    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the "WASP elite."

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the "elite WASP" population---obviously a highly imprecise term---that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.

    if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    You are referring here to the 1910s and 1920s and what you say does seem plausible or potentially plausible. It seems far less so for today, the 2010s, when college application by the right half of the IQ bell curve is near universal.

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

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    Some suggest it is ethnic nepotism - there is unofficial favoritism of those with Jewish names.

    In other words, the causes that led to the creation of a system are not necessarily those that perpetuate it.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position, which would be quite in accord with observed human conduct down the centuries.

    Similar to the way certain Asian countries would implement a system of "unofficial" trade barriers that was all the more effective for being so elusive and amorphous, and depending on a shared unspoken consensus.

    It may also be that white motivation has experienced a steep decline since then, as we sunk ever deeper into our malaise.
    , @Ron Unz

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?
     
    I discussed this issue both in my original article and also in some of my subsequent follow-up columns. Here's my analysis, which is admittedly somewhat speculative.

    My analysis of many dozens of National Merit Semifinalist lists suggests that on average Jews represent nearly 7% of the highest-performing American students, so we are seeking to explain the gap between that figure and their supposed 23% enrollment in the Ivies.

    First, the Jewish population is heavily concentrated in the Northeast, the part of the country in which all the Ivies are located, and that geographical proximity would certainly tend to increase their presence.

    Second, Jews are considerably more affluent than the general white population, and probably also much more focused on education and eager to have their children attend an Ivy. The latter factors are difficult to quantify, but almost certainly true.

    My own sense is that under a strictly meritocratic and objective admissions system, the combination of these two factors would tend to increase the relative preponderance of Jewish enrollment in the Ivies by a considerable amount, perhaps by 70-100%. So I'd think under that scenario we would see 12-15% of Ivy students being Jewish.

    Now as I explicitly stated in my article, although the Hillel figures are likely to constitute a rough representation of reality, it's perfectly possible that they're somewhat exaggerated due to "ethnic boosterism" and such, notably when it comes to including part-Jewish students, who may self-identify as Jewish. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if the true Jewish enrollment figure is actually 20% or even less.

    The combination of these two factors means we are only left to explain a Jewish over-enrollment anomaly of perhaps 50%, certainly considerable, but obviously far less than the nominal over-representation of 1000% or more.

    At this point, a very simple consideration enters the picture. Based on painful past experience, elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit "too few Jews" in a given year there's a dangerous possibility that they'll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for "anti-Semitism," thereby leading to a purge and their permanent removal to the unemployment lines. (Under similar circumstances, I'd think that economic analysts in Stalinist Russia were rather careful not to report overly "bad" results.) Therefore, I'd guess that if in any given year that the number of Jewish students being admitted to Yale happens to dip too low, enough additional ones are added in at the end to avoid risk of a horrific national media firestorm.

    Here are links to my previous discussions of this issue:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/#p_1_15

    Finally, according to the explicit "diversitarian" ideology of the Ivies, a certain fraction of the spots need to be allocated to blacks and Hispanics, while there are also considerable numbers of International students and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can't be kept too low lest there be a public backlash. This combination of pressures leads to a relatively pre-determined enrollment figure for white American students, with Jews being classified as white. Thus, all those above factors that tend to increase the number of Jewish students automatically lower the corresponding number of non-Jewish white students.
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  155. Art Deco says:
    @Iberiano
    As a "white Hispanic" myself, I would argue that the base problem is the elephant in the room, of which your example is a perfect example. Sabrina Gonzalez is WHITE. Nevermind one of her parents (father) is white (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski), the fact is, like light skinned blacks who go around saying "ya, but both my parents are black!?!?" (when they are both super light skinned), we continue to pretend that the term "Hispanic" or "Latino" means something BEYOND what our own eyes tell us. The most intelligent Hispanics are the MOST IBERIAN, and often have other mixtures such as Italian, Jew, Portuguese, etc (with all that can be mixed with), or in some cases, in Latin America, EVEN GERMAN.

    Someone simply arriving on our shores and being tagged "Latino" demonstrates nothing (a term which was solely created to catagorize for affirmative action purposes--no matter how much Latino/Hispanics complain "that's a term that was put on us!")

    While other Hispanics like to play games with the concept "OMG we are not a race, we are so much more than that, and we can be of any color" my fellow Hispanics are PERFECTLY comfortable acting like "People of Color" when it suits them--or even, ironically, referring to all white people as Anglo, when most Americans have significant German and/or Celtic blood, not to mention the millions of others who are Slavic, Italic or some variant of white Arab/Persian.

    Sabrina Gonzalez Pastersk is a white Cuban, so let's not pretend she is some dark, mestizo coming from some indigenous background (I'd wager she is nearly 100 percent European descent).

    (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski),

    The name per Ancestry is concentrated in Wisconsin and Illinois, so more likely Slavic. The given names of people with the Pasterski surname in the 1940 Census have a much more Polish-Catholic vibe than a Jewish vibe (among them Sofia, Theresa, Constance, Earl, Louis, Peter, Benedict, Josephine, Clarence, Anna, Stella, Walter…).

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    Art Deco: Fair enough, was a minor note to my primary point, which is that, that "Hispanic" young lady, is very obviously white. Her mother is likely a Spanish (only) Hispanic as well.

    Means nothing...I should know, I'm about as Aryan as they come, yet still technically "Hispanic".
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  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Factorize
    The at most 15 point IQ that defines the average advantage of high IQ groups is entirely insignificant when considered in the context of optimized human intelligence. It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    Given this truth, why is the conversation being so strongly shaped by small inconsequential differences? Current genetic engineering technologies make differences of 1 or 2 SD largely devoid of relevance. When will commentary on group IQ differences acknowledge the present ability of genetic enhancement to increase IQ?

    It should be fairly clear to all that the time scale for a non-native intellectual elite dominating the socio-political landscapes of other nations (including America's) is very limited. Current technology easily allows for the selection of embryos with a 1 SD increase in intelligence. This would negate any advantage by high IQ groups.

    In order to honestly address this emerging social transformation certain policies could be reasonably be considered. For example, the notion of equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome principle could be rethought. If genetics can equalize outcomes, then perhaps a more forcefully applied affirmation action should now be contemplated. This would avoid the possibility that some groups might attempt to delay the development of genetic technology. If minority groups were now guaranteed proportional access to medical schools, then delaying genetic engineering would only result in minority doctors serving the community without the highest level of competence. We wold all lose from such an outcome.

    It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    In most cases like this I’d ask for proof but in this case it’d likely result in a hypelink to a colourful picture of a magic mushroom so… nevermind.

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    I was also very surprised to realize who were and who were not babbling about the genetic architecture of human intelligence. After reviewing the below urls there should be no doubt which is which.

    Science fiction has simply not prepared us for the genetic intelligence reovolution that is already underway. It will only be when posters on this thread and others stop referring to 100 IQ to mean 100 IQ points and instead mean 100 SD IQ, will I know that the message has been received.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3421.pdf (especially starting at page 19). https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/08/11/175406.full.pdf (see page 19 and 20) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/09/18/190124.full.pdf (applied to height)
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  157. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn't get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.

    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Johnson and Nixon held high political office. Neither one were in their upbringing members of the Establishment in the way Roosevelt or Adlai Stevenson or Henry Cabot Lodge or Robert Taft or Wm. Scranton were of the Establishment. And they weren’t anywhere near the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and Bushes. (BTW, the last portion of your remark is flat-out lunatic fringe nutcase crazy).

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  158. Art Deco says:
    @Alden
    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn't get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees.

    The most assiduous critics of AA in the Democratic Party ca. 1980 were Ed Koch, Martin Peretz, Morris Abram, and John Bunzel. It was this issue that persuaded a number in that opinion journalists’ circle you’re all so preoccupied with to leave the Democratic Party.

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  159. @Third world nationalist
    Having a migration moratorium is a reasonable thing that most people would support. But by mixing it up with racist sentiment they shot themelves in the foot. Most people would not be supportive of such a moratorium if the main motivation is racial. This is why i think the anti migrant movement will remain a fringe coumminty instead of gaining acceptence in the mainstream.

    It’s the left that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it’s a “dog whistle.” Same as economics. Then it becomes about “preserving white privilege.”

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don’t want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university seats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become “disadvantaged” and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don’t give a shit. I’ll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.

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    It's a fair point. You'd think that there would be a relatively diplomatic way for a politician to say "hey, we're having some trouble providing employment, food, housing, healthcare and safety for all of the black, brown, yellow and oh yeah white people who are already here. Let's stop irresponsibly increasing their numbers, and concentrate on improving their lives for a few years... and then we'll reevaluate immigration."

    Who could really object to that, except perhaps a selfishly opportunistic prospective immigrant with no regard for the welfare of the destination country?
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  160. Vinteuil says:
    @Yan Shen
    But let me make a far more important point that many here seem to be missing. Given today's increasingly global economy, limiting East Asian immigration is hardly the panacea that many assume it'll be. If only we didn't have to compete against quantitatively adept East Asian immigrants in this country, you often hear people say on Unz!

    Alas, as the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s proved, competition today is global. As I stated in an earlier thread, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you! From an article back in 1991...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.f4b209705d60


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.

    Europe's computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands' electronics giant Philips, Italy's Olivetti and France's Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.
     

    If I were Derbyshire or anyone else here, I would be far less concerned about the 5 million or so Chinese Americans in this country and far more concerned about the rise of a population of 1380 million, more than 10x that of Japan, and what that might hold for the future of American competitiveness. If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it's far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country. I believe you're missing the forest for the trees here Derb!

    Someone like Eammon Fingleton on the other hand seems to be much more on top of such things.

    “If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country.”

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we’ve imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don’t want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

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    Yes, you may also have a situation in the near future where 10x the number of brilliant Japanese mathematicians in China being able to do what a cheap AI in Africa (developed elsewhere of course) would be doing
    , @Anonymous
    There is no escape from the future, for any of us. We unleashed the demon that is technological singularity upon the world and so we shall fall before it. There is, realistically, no way back before some form of AI, probably human-assisted, ends up running us all. In this, China is probably actually leading in innovation in surveillance and passive opinion control, and the rest of the world will learn and end up deploying similar techniques.

    If its any comfort, so will everyone else suffer the same fate.

    , @anon
    Elect (and keep electing) someone of Trump's Caliber to lead. He will Make America Great Again. In that, you may even expect tacit support from Putin's white Russia.
    , @survey-of-disinfo

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we’ve imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

     

    Is that what he said?

    What if white Americans don’t want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?
     

    Take education seriously; take pursuit of knowledge seriously; pursuit excellence; get off the boob/porn tube (and equivalent); and the interim quit whinning. Your ancestors did pretty damn good. Don't embarass them for God's sake.
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  161. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?
     
    Read what he wrote.

    ''Taken in combination, these trends all provide powerful evidence that over the last decade or more there has been a dramatic collapse in Jewish academic achievement, at least at the high end.
    Several possible explanations for this empirical result seem reasonably plausible. Although the innate potential of a group is unlikely to drop so suddenly, achievement is a function of both ability and effort, and today’s overwhelmingly affluent Jewish students may be far less diligent in their work habits or driven in their studies than were their parents or grandparents, who lived much closer to the bracing challenges of the immigrant experience. In support of this hypothesis, roughly half of the Jewish Math Olympiad winners from the last two decades have had the sort of highly distinctive names which would tend to mark them as recent immigrants from the Soviet Union or elsewhere, and such names were also very common among the top Jewish science students of the same period, even though this group represents only about 10 percent of current American Jews. Indeed, it seems quite possible that this large sudden influx of very high performing immigrant Jews from the late 1980s onward served to partially mask the rapid concurrent decline of high academic achievement among native American Jews, which otherwise would have become much more clearly evident a decade or so earlier.
    This pattern of third or fourth generation American students lacking the academic drive or intensity of their forefathers is hardly surprising, nor unique to Jews. Consider the case of Japanese-Americans, who mostly arrived in America during roughly the same era. America’s Japanese have always been a high-performing group, with a strong academic tradition, and Japan’s international PISA academic scores are today among the highest in the world. But when we examine the list of California’s NMS semifinalists, less than 1 percent of the names are Japanese, roughly in line with their share of the California population.[62] Meanwhile, Chinese, Koreans, and South Asians are 6 percent of California but contribute 50 percent of the top scoring students, an eight-fold better result, with a major likely difference being that they are overwhelmingly of recent immigrant origin. In fact, although ongoing Japanese immigration has been trivial in size, a significant fraction of the top Japanese students have the unassimilated Japanese first names that would tend to indicate they are probably drawn from that tiny group.
    In some respects, perhaps it was the enormously outsize Jewish academic performance of the past which was highly anomalous, and the more recent partial convergence toward white European norms which is somewhat less surprising. Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,[64] but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.[65]

    In a previous article “Race, IQ & Wealth,” I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.[66] Given that Jews have always been America’s most heavily urbanized population and became the most affluent during the decades in question, these factors may account for a substantial portion of their huge IQ rise during most of the twentieth century. But with modern electronic technology recently narrowing the gaps in social environment and educational opportunities between America’s rural and urban worlds, we might expect a portion of this difference to gradually dissipate. American Jews are certainly a high-ability population, but the innate advantage they have over other high-ability white populations is probably far smaller than is widely believed
    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109.
    But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.
    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say.

    I was objecting to Derbyshires dishonest and tendentious – or at least sloppy and confused – statement.

    As for Ron’s quote – I can only say I had not realized how completely my position was just a restatement of Ron’s, and there is a good chance I subconsciously lifted it from him.

    Or perhaps it is simply that any unbiassed observer is bound to notice something doesn’t add up in our “meritocracy”, and motivation and drive are ridiculously obvious candidates for making up the discrepancy?

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    '' Or perhaps it is simply that any unbiassed observer is bound to notice something doesn’t add up in our “meritocracy”, and motivation and drive are ridiculously obvious candidates for making up the discrepancy?
     
    I was just directing you to the part that shows this.
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  162. Iberiano [AKA "Scotty"] says:
    @Art Deco
    (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski),

    The name per Ancestry is concentrated in Wisconsin and Illinois, so more likely Slavic. The given names of people with the Pasterski surname in the 1940 Census have a much more Polish-Catholic vibe than a Jewish vibe (among them Sofia, Theresa, Constance, Earl, Louis, Peter, Benedict, Josephine, Clarence, Anna, Stella, Walter...).

    Art Deco: Fair enough, was a minor note to my primary point, which is that, that “Hispanic” young lady, is very obviously white. Her mother is likely a Spanish (only) Hispanic as well.

    Means nothing…I should know, I’m about as Aryan as they come, yet still technically “Hispanic”.

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  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff77450
    John, I usually don't find your articles depressing but this one is. Without (non-Jewish) white people there wouldn't be anything remotely resembling the United States of America here today. Literally every single country south of the U.S. border is proof of that. The overwhelming majority of the fighting & dying in our many wars, virtually all, has been by white people.

    My g3-grandfather, James Corner, served in the Texas army during the Texas Revolution. My great-grandfather, John Thomas York, lost an arm in the Civil War (and went on to father 17 or 18 children with two wives). My dad, R.I.P., served in WWII and I served in ODS.

    How & why are we being dispossessed of our own nation?? And yes, it is disproportionately ours.

    I don't blame the Asians & Jews one bit for working hard and achieving as much as possible. I applaud them. This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious. But I'm also angry at the undercurrent of the Leftist agenda which is that the straight white Christian male *must* *not* *win*.

    This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious.

    Bad parenting is a huge problem. Whites are selfish hedonists. They don’t care about the problems this causes for their children (if they even bother to have children).

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  164. AaronB says:
    @Hail

    if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.
     
    You are referring here to the 1910s and 1920s and what you say does seem plausible or potentially plausible. It seems far less so for today, the 2010s, when college application by the right half of the IQ bell curve is near universal.

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

    Some suggest it is ethnic nepotism – there is unofficial favoritism of those with Jewish names.

    In other words, the causes that led to the creation of a system are not necessarily those that perpetuate it.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position, which would be quite in accord with observed human conduct down the centuries.

    Similar to the way certain Asian countries would implement a system of “unofficial” trade barriers that was all the more effective for being so elusive and amorphous, and depending on a shared unspoken consensus.

    It may also be that white motivation has experienced a steep decline since then, as we sunk ever deeper into our malaise.

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    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position,

    This isn't any less imaginary now than it was 70 years ago.
    , @Anonymous
    All groups do this: the smart ones get their foot in the door, then open it for their dumb relatives, who crowd out the existing inhabitants. It's why IQ-based social organization doesn't work: tribal loyalty trumps everything.
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  165. @patsy
    All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!

    “All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!” — patsy

    Well said, patsy! You make better sense than all the IQers, Harvard snobs or CalTechies lumped together.

    Much of China’s success is due to its recognition of gross demographic realities, which are still denied by many — maybe most — Americans.

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  166. utu says:
    @Hail
    Is there any scientific explanation for the purported non-normal distribution, or is this just "post facto" postulating to make the data fit the observation?

    or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115? The estimate of SD is even worse. So it is just assumed to be 15.

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    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115?
     
    It's obviously true that explaining the over-representation of Jew in various academic institutions or other elite settings based on complex IQ extrapolations is an absurdity.

    Just as you say, the *mean* IQ of American Jews is unclear, let alone the precise shape of their high-end distribution curve, or that of the various other groups they're competing against. You can plug in different numbers and get a huge variety of different high-end estimates.

    That's why I think the approach I took in my Meritocracy analysis was far superior. The annual NMS lists are an excellent *empirical* measure of academic ability/performance at the high end, and therefore probably the best means of determining the actual current percentage of high-performing Jewish students, without any hand-waving nonsense about "fat tails" and such.
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  167. Vinteuil says:
    @Priss Factor
    Justice American Style

    https://www.facebook.com/AvialaeDevi/videos/1949103708662812/?hc_ref=ARTBj4CpkRCXcu33MEub9uSIdFbllxc5IfYcTwcH79cfsDZhbbWw20y7iAu7HbswNSg

    The murderers of Daniel Shaver – Officer Philip Brailsford and Sergeant Charles Langley – should be pursued by The Kindly Ones until the day that they hang themselves.

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    Well the guy was waving a gun out of a hotel window. That's kind of like stealing a cigar in a 7-11 isn't it?

    I know, he dindu nuffin..
    , @utu
    The same for the jurors who acquitted them.
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  168. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities
     
    Both the "mean IQ significantly higher" and "WASP elites" links lead to Vdare pages which show no IQ measurements of any kind. I think I'll skip reading the rest of the article since the author is deceptively linking his claims to... nothing. This kind of deception wouldn't pass muster even on Reddit.

    Good catch! The narrative is being pushed by many little lies that go unchallenged.

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  169. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous
    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you'd prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    Important things to consider:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#2016_data

    The richest three provinces (total pop. 60 million) in China have a gdp (ppp) per capita of $33.6k, not far behind South Korea's $37.7k. The top seven provinces (total pop. 350 million) have a gdp per capita of $25.5k. There is also a large gap between the rural areas and the more developed urban areas. Not to mention, there are many other factors to consider than just gdp.

    No, as I implied in my post I would prefer to
    reside in Japan rather than China. China is
    ruled by the Communist Party. That’s a deal breaker
    right there.

    Practically all countries have richer cities and poorer hinterlands.
    For example, Moscow (population 12 million) has a huge
    GDP per capita compared to the rest of the country.
    Anybody can play this game, citing city-states like Hong Kong
    or Singapore or richer provinces. It’s the averages that
    count. That’s why the West is so amazing. In the West
    even the hinterlands are well-to-do

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    You do not know the "hinterlands" in the America very well, then. Much of "flyover" country in the West is comparable to the poverty of much of the interior of China and arguably has worse drug issues - I live close to those small towns, fwiw, and the trailer parks are arguably worse than the government project houses that China has been building. The conditions are tragic to put it lightly.

    Japan has different issues, but their rural regions are literally just dying off. Agriculture is dying, the younger population gravitate toward the cities for higher wages.
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  170. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.
     
    In most cases like this I'd ask for proof but in this case it'd likely result in a hypelink to a colourful picture of a magic mushroom so... nevermind.

    I was also very surprised to realize who were and who were not babbling about the genetic architecture of human intelligence. After reviewing the below urls there should be no doubt which is which.

    Science fiction has simply not prepared us for the genetic intelligence reovolution that is already underway. It will only be when posters on this thread and others stop referring to 100 IQ to mean 100 IQ points and instead mean 100 SD IQ, will I know that the message has been received.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3421.pdf (especially starting at page 19). https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/08/11/175406.full.pdf (see page 19 and 20) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/09/18/190124.full.pdf (applied to height)

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    Jesus Christ you could be in possession of the Ten Commandments and no one would listen.
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  171. @Factorize
    The at most 15 point IQ that defines the average advantage of high IQ groups is entirely insignificant when considered in the context of optimized human intelligence. It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    Given this truth, why is the conversation being so strongly shaped by small inconsequential differences? Current genetic engineering technologies make differences of 1 or 2 SD largely devoid of relevance. When will commentary on group IQ differences acknowledge the present ability of genetic enhancement to increase IQ?

    It should be fairly clear to all that the time scale for a non-native intellectual elite dominating the socio-political landscapes of other nations (including America's) is very limited. Current technology easily allows for the selection of embryos with a 1 SD increase in intelligence. This would negate any advantage by high IQ groups.

    In order to honestly address this emerging social transformation certain policies could be reasonably be considered. For example, the notion of equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome principle could be rethought. If genetics can equalize outcomes, then perhaps a more forcefully applied affirmation action should now be contemplated. This would avoid the possibility that some groups might attempt to delay the development of genetic technology. If minority groups were now guaranteed proportional access to medical schools, then delaying genetic engineering would only result in minority doctors serving the community without the highest level of competence. We wold all lose from such an outcome.

    Yes, these technologies are the only thing that can lead us to an outcome other than the train wreak of tribal balkanization and collapse of the West at this point. The reaction can at best only buy time until such technologies makes these matters irrelevant

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    Thank you, edgeslider.

    I appreciate the fact that you have acknowledged that any reasonable room to debate the imminent arrival of a 100 SD IQ world is long over.

    Any reference to differences of a mere 5, 10, or 50 IQ points can only be understood now as a retreat from reality.

    Your suggestion that that a super high IQ world will help us to veer away from endless racial politics is also spot on. Importing highly talented people of various backgrounds has lead to severe social stress all across the modern world. Given the extreme demographic collapse now underway, such an influx of migrants could easily have been predicted, though nonetheless it has greatly eroded social cohesion in most Western nations.

    Disconnecting demographics and psychometrics has given us an extremely unstable world. Once 100 SD IQ individuals start to emerge in the heartlands, a more genuine form of democracy will finally emerge.

    If extreme intelligence can be made to order, the objectification of those with high intelligence can finally stop. People will be people once again and not income producing objects. It is not difficult to imagine that we are now quickly heading to a world in which a 100 SD IQ might confer no particular status. 100 SD IQ might be the new minimum.
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  172. Vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year.
     
    As you can see, my number is even lower than that :

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    Now then, what is assimiliation?

    Many aspects are subjective (it is safe to say that SJW whites have fully 'de-assimilated' from any values that made the West great. Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Hence, the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :
    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?
    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?

    These are the two metrics that matter.

    Watching baseball and eating processed, unhealthy food like hotdogs and factory-made apple pies is not 'assimilation'. Nothing is wrong with celebrating the Chinese new year and eating with chopsticks, if you came from China. As long as you meet the two criteria above.

    “…the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :

    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?

    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?”

    May I suggest a couple of additional requirements?

    iii) Do they understand what the word “assimilation” means?

    iv) Do they really & provably want to “assimilate” to the native population, and not the other way around?

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  173. Vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    We all have to go back.
     
    Not just that, but many of the WN wiggers who say 'you have to go back' are lesser whites like Poles and Russians. They desperately want to take credit for Western Civ that they did nothing to build, while pulling rank on US-born blacks who can trace lineage here for 400 years.

    The other idiocy of the 'You have to go back' baby-level intellects is that once you become a US citizen, you often have to renounce your old citizenship (dual-citizenship is often not full in the other country). Hence, a US citizen would become stateless if his US citizenship is stripped. Therefore, there will never, ever, ever be an expulsion of people who are already US citizens (halting new Naturalizations is another matter).

    WNs retards who cry 'you have to go back' have no idea how citizenship, surrendering of the old citizenship, and statelessness works.

    Of course, White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

    “…lesser whites like Poles and Russians…”

    Yeah – Chopin? what’s the big deal? Dostoevsky? Eh – who has time?

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  174. @Stripes Duncan
    It's the left that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it's a "dog whistle." Same as economics. Then it becomes about "preserving white privilege."

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don't want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university seats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become "disadvantaged" and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don't give a shit. I'll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.

    It’s a fair point. You’d think that there would be a relatively diplomatic way for a politician to say “hey, we’re having some trouble providing employment, food, housing, healthcare and safety for all of the black, brown, yellow and oh yeah white people who are already here. Let’s stop irresponsibly increasing their numbers, and concentrate on improving their lives for a few years… and then we’ll reevaluate immigration.”

    Who could really object to that, except perhaps a selfishly opportunistic prospective immigrant with no regard for the welfare of the destination country?

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    Let’s stop irresponsibly increasing their numbers, and concentrate on improving their lives for a few years… and then we’ll reevaluate immigration.”
    Who could really object to that, except perhaps a selfishly opportunistic prospective immigrant with no regard for the welfare of the destination country?
     
    Who could really object? Perhaps the political party most likely to benefit from importing large numbers of additional voters (many of them "illegal aliens")?
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  175. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    No, as I implied in my post I would prefer to
    reside in Japan rather than China. China is
    ruled by the Communist Party. That's a deal breaker
    right there.

    Practically all countries have richer cities and poorer hinterlands.
    For example, Moscow (population 12 million) has a huge
    GDP per capita compared to the rest of the country.
    Anybody can play this game, citing city-states like Hong Kong
    or Singapore or richer provinces. It's the averages that
    count. That's why the West is so amazing. In the West
    even the hinterlands are well-to-do

    You do not know the “hinterlands” in the America very well, then. Much of “flyover” country in the West is comparable to the poverty of much of the interior of China and arguably has worse drug issues – I live close to those small towns, fwiw, and the trailer parks are arguably worse than the government project houses that China has been building. The conditions are tragic to put it lightly.

    Japan has different issues, but their rural regions are literally just dying off. Agriculture is dying, the younger population gravitate toward the cities for higher wages.

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    Here are the GDPs per capita in several flyover
    states

    Kansas $57,100

    Wyoming $59,000

    N. Dakota $68,000

    Not bad considering these are America's 'hinterlands' , in fact
    higher than the U.S. average (Kansas is close to the average).
    The GDPs per capita in the Deep South are indeed
    depressed but that area is an outlier due to the high
    percentage of blacks. My thesis still stands, with minor
    exceptions America's hinterlands are quite well-to-do
    compared to the world average.
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  176. @Yan Shen
    Well I'd love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn't have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you're on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it's been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we're only talking about permanent settlement, if I'm understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn't be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here's the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren't that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they're drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I'm actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country's agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

    Yan Shen, Panda is very disappointed by this post of yours. The way you argued here is terminologically, hence logically, very messy by seeminglessly jumping back and forth amongst 3 concepts of “Asians”, “East Asians” , and “Chinese and Indians”( as if “Indians” is an obligatory term that must be attached whenever the word “Chinese” appears).

    On top of that, the absurdly stubborn way you stick to the claim of “high IQ Indian casts” with no apparent logical reason has made Panda already in awe…

    Panda thus wonders, Yan, do you have “high caste” Indian wife? or gf? or boss? or biz partner? who would castrate you if you speak a “wrong” word they are not used to, or something?

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    Are you saying that there aren't intelligent South Asians?

    That's obviously untrue. The current Modi government might be dickweeds and overall there's pretty saddening levels of corruption, but I've witnessed their competence at politics. My main complaint is that the "high-caste" particularly emphasize politics seemingly beyond any other virtues and it isn't very productive. This is how you get a country that can reap billions but still can't provide water or electricity widely to the countryside, let alone consideration about toilets.

    Arguably, Modi's ability to be an eternal pain is a kind of political success. India will probably be a thorn in China's side for all foreseeable future in the time to come. Its some sort of achievement, I guess.

    There are parts of India that are interesting: Sanskrit is a beautiful language, there is a lot of interesting culture and it is the homeland of Buddhism. Recent history has been pretty tragic though.

    , @lao gu
    I guess Yang Shen must be Indian who us the name like Chinese.
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  177. Art Deco says:
    @AaronB
    Some suggest it is ethnic nepotism - there is unofficial favoritism of those with Jewish names.

    In other words, the causes that led to the creation of a system are not necessarily those that perpetuate it.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position, which would be quite in accord with observed human conduct down the centuries.

    Similar to the way certain Asian countries would implement a system of "unofficial" trade barriers that was all the more effective for being so elusive and amorphous, and depending on a shared unspoken consensus.

    It may also be that white motivation has experienced a steep decline since then, as we sunk ever deeper into our malaise.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position,

    This isn’t any less imaginary now than it was 70 years ago.

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    Oh, it's certainly a highly plausible theory, as it's merely in accord with how all self-interested elites behaved down the centuries, but I myself think it's a less significant factor than the observable collapse in motivation among whites.

    The one incontestable fact is that the current ethnic distribution is not the result of a "meritocracy".

    Using this basic truth as a starting point, all possible explanations should be explored.
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  178. Vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?
     
    It's sometimes better to actually know something about a specialized topic rather than just randomly spout off nonsense on the Internet...

    Here's a link to a 2012 PDF providing estimates of the Jewish enrollment at a long list of major colleges, including Harvard. Note that the Jewish enrollment figure for Harvard is given as 25%.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CollegeJewish-Fall2012.pdf

    These estimates were produced by Hillel, the national Jewish college organization, and were published in a leading Jewish magazine. Hillel has been providing similar such estimates for decades, and these have also regularly been circulated and republished in major Jewish media outlets.

    Prof. Jerome Karabel heavily relied upon these Hillel estimates as the basis for his 700pp opus on the history of Jews in the Ivy League, which won all sorts of scholarly awards. Numerous other scholars have also used these figures over the last 30-odd years, and the data has been accepted without question by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chronicle of Higher Education, and every other elite media organ, as well as by the top administrators of leading universities.

    Are these numbers actually correct? Who the Hell knows! But since they happen to be the only such figures in existence, it's not clear what might replace them. Since the Martian have apparently given "Art Deco" far better data, perhaps he should offer to share his bounty with scholars everywhere.

    I'd suggest that anyone with serious---as opposed to "trolling"---interest in the topic should read my extensive writings on the subject, and perhaps peruse one of my quantitative appendices:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

    Everything seems to hang on the accuracy of the Hillel estimates of jewish representation at elite schools . But it’s been plausibly argued that their figures are exaggerated.

    It would be nice to see something conclusive, on this point.

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  179. @Vinteuil
    "If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country."

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we've imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don't want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

    Yes, you may also have a situation in the near future where 10x the number of brilliant Japanese mathematicians in China being able to do what a cheap AI in Africa (developed elsewhere of course) would be doing

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  180. Factorize says:
    @edgeslider
    Yes, these technologies are the only thing that can lead us to an outcome other than the train wreak of tribal balkanization and collapse of the West at this point. The reaction can at best only buy time until such technologies makes these matters irrelevant

    Thank you, edgeslider.

    I appreciate the fact that you have acknowledged that any reasonable room to debate the imminent arrival of a 100 SD IQ world is long over.

    Any reference to differences of a mere 5, 10, or 50 IQ points can only be understood now as a retreat from reality.

    Your suggestion that that a super high IQ world will help us to veer away from endless racial politics is also spot on. Importing highly talented people of various backgrounds has lead to severe social stress all across the modern world. Given the extreme demographic collapse now underway, such an influx of migrants could easily have been predicted, though nonetheless it has greatly eroded social cohesion in most Western nations.

    Disconnecting demographics and psychometrics has given us an extremely unstable world. Once 100 SD IQ individuals start to emerge in the heartlands, a more genuine form of democracy will finally emerge.

    If extreme intelligence can be made to order, the objectification of those with high intelligence can finally stop. People will be people once again and not income producing objects. It is not difficult to imagine that we are now quickly heading to a world in which a 100 SD IQ might confer no particular status. 100 SD IQ might be the new minimum.

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  181. It’s the left [actually, the pseudo-Left of the Democratic Party] that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it’s a “dog whistle.” Same as economics. Then it becomes about “preserving white privilege.”

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    Stripes Duncan

    “I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don’t want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university s eats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become “disadvantaged” and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don’t give a shit. I’ll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.” — Stripes Duncan

    Yes, a total moratorium … that’s the sane thing to do. Or, maybe, what Third world nationalist recommends at #29 –

    I think America should follow China’s system, don’t give citizenship no matter what, not even marriage. But allow foreigners to have residency permits for doing business, work,marriage etc.

    America First — Americanism — is incompatible with “multiculturalism”.

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  182. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass”

    Wouldn’t that interfere with the NWO one-world, one “culture” for the peons, masters&managers/slaves&robots plan?

    Will the usual suspect stand for that?

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  183. AaronB says:
    @Art Deco
    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position,

    This isn't any less imaginary now than it was 70 years ago.

    Oh, it’s certainly a highly plausible theory, as it’s merely in accord with how all self-interested elites behaved down the centuries, but I myself think it’s a less significant factor than the observable collapse in motivation among whites.

    The one incontestable fact is that the current ethnic distribution is not the result of a “meritocracy”.

    Using this basic truth as a starting point, all possible explanations should be explored.

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  184. @Yan Shen

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —
     
    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren't these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

    India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes,…

    Hahahaha!

    Who exactly are these “high IQ upper castes”, Yan Shen?

    Any proven biological/physical characters that differentiate among these castes themselves? and them from other castes, and other races? Or “self-identification” only?

    Avg IQ how high for each of them? C’mon, at least give some rounded-up numbers?

    And what did you mean by “high IQ upper castes”? 80 is high? or 86? or 95 is high? 100? or 120?, 140? 200? … at least choose one if you are making a specific statement on high IQ .

    errr… any academic quotations on these respective “high IQs ” of each of these “upper castes”?

    or any plain vanilla common sense logic to deduce those numbers without too much of wild assumptions?

    or any specific IQ tests on each of these castes? sources?

    or any specific quasi-IQ tests? (e.g.PISA? TIMASS?)

    None. Zero. Zilch. Nada!

    errr… “a minority of high IQ upper castes” as if god-given. LMAO. Love that humour!

    —–

    BTW, are there these kinds of “high IQ upper castes” in Germany? Canada? China? Russia? Iran? Japan? Spain? Belgium? Morocco? United Arab Emirates? Vietnam? Hungry? … if no, why not by the very same logic of yours ??

    ——

    Again, is your wife or relative an ethnic “high IQ upper caste” Indian, Yan Shen, Panda wonders?

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  185. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil
    "If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country."

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we've imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don't want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

    There is no escape from the future, for any of us. We unleashed the demon that is technological singularity upon the world and so we shall fall before it. There is, realistically, no way back before some form of AI, probably human-assisted, ends up running us all. In this, China is probably actually leading in innovation in surveillance and passive opinion control, and the rest of the world will learn and end up deploying similar techniques.

    If its any comfort, so will everyone else suffer the same fate.

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  186. “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass”

    Brilliant!

    Import Immigrant Undercalss only please.

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  187. Twinkie says:
    @Yan Shen
    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    The site won’t let me hand out the troll card again.

    That’s a good video, but you are overusing it and making it less and less endearing. Stop grinding it.

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  188. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    Some suggest it is ethnic nepotism - there is unofficial favoritism of those with Jewish names.

    In other words, the causes that led to the creation of a system are not necessarily those that perpetuate it.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position, which would be quite in accord with observed human conduct down the centuries.

    Similar to the way certain Asian countries would implement a system of "unofficial" trade barriers that was all the more effective for being so elusive and amorphous, and depending on a shared unspoken consensus.

    It may also be that white motivation has experienced a steep decline since then, as we sunk ever deeper into our malaise.

    All groups do this: the smart ones get their foot in the door, then open it for their dumb relatives, who crowd out the existing inhabitants. It’s why IQ-based social organization doesn’t work: tribal loyalty trumps everything.

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  189. Twinkie says:
    @Thirdeye
    Tribalism is largely (but not exclusively) a function of socio-economic stagnation. Hispanics assimilate and interbreed when they are upwardly mobile. The less adept ones are less secure in dealing with the mainstream and remain more dependent on the network of La Familia. The lower socioeconomic rungs among Asian immigrants, largely represented by southeast Asian groups (who come from more tribal societies to start with) remain insular. And among the less wealthy Hispanics and Asians, they often live in environments where sticking with the in-group is a matter of physical safety because they rub elbows with America's most violent group, lower class blacks. Wealthier Asians who surmount the language barrier get more exposed to the mainstream and have power in the sexual marketplace beyond their own group. And Asian women, according to data from dating websites, have risen to the top in desirability to all other groups. Even Jews have a high rate of intermarriage, to the point that ethno-obsessive Jews worry about the dilution of Jewish identity. Even someone like the Orthodox Jared Kushner has a dick that overrides his ethnic chauvinism in choice of a breeding partner. The most attractive Jewish women are ones who don't really look Jewish.

    There is nothing to support the idea that cultural norms associated with northeast Asia - orderliness, conscientiousness, diligence, contribution to the group - would not push American culture in a positive direction if they ever became influential. They might grate against our rugged individualist sensibilities, but they might increase social functionality.

    I agree with much of what you wrote, but there is ONE significant difference between Jews and Northeast Asians in the U.S. The former, when they intermarry, assimilate the non-Jews. The latter sublimate. Thus, people who are fractionally Jewish tend to identify as Jews. Those who are fractionally East Asian identify mostly as the other – usually whites – in their ancestry.

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    East Asian identify mostly as the other – usually whites – in their ancestry.

    Asians are servile. In Asia, the masses serve their masters and even used to bow to the ground.
    Even under communism, the masses were slavish dogs of the new rulers.

    So, this mentality is part of Asian DNA. Serve and submit to the power.

    East Asians are even more 'white bread' than whites. No personality or color.

    Also, identity mainly comes from the male. Because black males are seen as manlier than white males, most white/black mating is about white women going with black men. So, blackness dominates. After all, white women is submitting to black male power while rejecting white male as inferior.

    Same applies to interracial kids of Asians. By and large, Asian women reject Asian men as inferior and go with other races. Since Asian women prefer to submit to the males of other races, their children also identify with the dominant race.

    Even among Jews and Asians, I think it's generally Jewish men and Asian women.
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  190. @PandaAtWar
    Yan Shen, Panda is very disappointed by this post of yours. The way you argued here is terminologically, hence logically, very messy by seeminglessly jumping back and forth amongst 3 concepts of "Asians", "East Asians" , and "Chinese and Indians"( as if "Indians" is an obligatory term that must be attached whenever the word "Chinese" appears).

    On top of that, the absurdly stubborn way you stick to the claim of "high IQ Indian casts" with no apparent logical reason has made Panda already in awe...

    Panda thus wonders, Yan, do you have "high caste" Indian wife? or gf? or boss? or biz partner? who would castrate you if you speak a "wrong" word they are not used to, or something?

    Are you saying that there aren’t intelligent South Asians?

    That’s obviously untrue. The current Modi government might be dickweeds and overall there’s pretty saddening levels of corruption, but I’ve witnessed their competence at politics. My main complaint is that the “high-caste” particularly emphasize politics seemingly beyond any other virtues and it isn’t very productive. This is how you get a country that can reap billions but still can’t provide water or electricity widely to the countryside, let alone consideration about toilets.

    Arguably, Modi’s ability to be an eternal pain is a kind of political success. India will probably be a thorn in China’s side for all foreseeable future in the time to come. Its some sort of achievement, I guess.

    There are parts of India that are interesting: Sanskrit is a beautiful language, there is a lot of interesting culture and it is the homeland of Buddhism. Recent history has been pretty tragic though.

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    To be fair, being an eternal thorn isn't exactly difficult. Since India will forever be there and China doesn't really want to fight a war with India, India can constantly provoke without getting into a war. The question is whether India gets anything good out it, whether the US will give India enough rewards for being sufficiently anti-China. Otherwise the whole exercise is kind of pointless.
    , @PandaAtWar

    Are you saying that there aren’t intelligent South Asians?
     
    Hi Chieh, Panda loves when you started with this popular strawman. Were you insinuating that Panda can stop reading all the stuff your wrote afterwards? ROFL

    That's ok.

    But when Panda claimed that?

    Or has Panda ever come across to you as an intellectual giant who would claim that stupidity?

    Of course there're intelligent , say IQ> 100, South Asians, a lot actually! And many of them are in the US via H1B.

    In fact ANY big-sized group has intelligent people. It's the Bell Curve all about, darn it!

    But that's not the point. For you to catch up to the speed:

    Panda's point was that there's no established, or logically apparent reason why India's self-identified "upper castes" have "high IQ " ( loosely defined as "with average IQ >=100" by common sense for the sake of argument). Ditto for case of Ibo in Nigeria!

    Yan Shen, as most Hindu nationalists, tried to make a point that since there're tens of thousands "upper castes"Indians in the US who "seem" in general, many of them actually do, have high IQ, therefore their claimed "castes" (i.e. implied meaning of worldwide population, including most of their corresponding IQ Bell Curves residing in India) must have high average IQ as well. This logic is heavily flawed.

    With no apparent reason in sight, therefore, Panda had to question Yan Shen's personal relationship with these "upper castes" in order to justify his view.

    Yes, there're some proofs that India is a heterogeneous place with many different groups, or "castes", with different average IQs respectively.

    However, therefore to claim 1 or many of these self-identified "upper castes" with different avg IQ from India's "low castes" must all have high average IQs ( again, loosely defined as "with average IQ >=100" by common sense for the sake of argument) requires a quantum leap of faith, is it not?

    ------

    BTW, contrary to Hindu fanatics and your claim, India never was, and is not, the homeland of Buddhism by any stretch of sensible standard :

    e.g. ethnic origin; % of Buddhism population; important defining Buddhism thoughts, works, schools, scholars, leaders, ceremonies, architectures/temples, continuous development path & plans...across time and their impacts to the home nation and the larger world, as one would easily identify in both Islam and Christianity in the ME & Europe respectively.

    If India were the homeland of Buddhism, Iran would be the Mother Macca of Christianity, Panda tells ya! lol

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  191. TWS says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    By the time you reach 200 million what will be your peoportion of whites?

    A reasonable ninety. That’s not too much to ask.

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    But too much to expect given differential fertility.
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  192. haha. TLDR: what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords, we don’t need another group supplanting them!!! he likes the current overlords and ivy league admission quotas :) he wants to stop immigration completely.

    at least he isn’t of the camp that screams whites immigrants only :) that shows principle. big thumbs up.

    ps: as long as china isn’t a kowtowing vassal, asian quota is here to stay :)))

    pps: elites want a bigger population so usa can have a bigger economy. good luck stopping that :)))

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    what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords,

    You're projecting. Mr. Derbyshire isn't altogether inane. He leaves that to the combox denizens.
    , @Third world nationalist
    I agree that it is about the economy, but i thng it is more of a labor force thing. Economist calculate the desired rate of growth of the labor force which is in most countries about 1 percent per year. They then adjust their migration policys so that this figure of 1 per cent a year can be achieved.
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  193. Rdm says:
    @Bill Jones
    Rule one
    No "dual citizens"

    Rule two
    A waiver of any State or Federal " Benefit" rights,

    Rule three
    Proof of future income.

    None of this crap is hard,

    Think twice before you make a wish.

    If this rule is imposed, there would be more Asians celebrating than Europeans.

    Ask Derb if he still has his Queens passport.

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  194. Rdm says:
    @Priss Factor
    I say let's have mass emigration. Let non-whites emigrate to non-white nations so that they won't be oppressed by white privilege.

    That’s what non-Whites have been doing. They’re migrating to non-White nations, i,e., Native America. Or South Asians migrating to Aborigines land — Australia.

    Do you think East Asians are so desperate to migrate to Poland? Norway?

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  195. Thomm says:
    @Alden
    Still using the word wigger when you have no idea of what it means.

    I know exactly what it means, and have explained at length why it exceptionally accurate in describing the typical WN (who has more in common with blacks than with mainstream whites).

    Your lack of self-awareness is not my problem.

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  196. Addicted to Outrage, Addicted to Sanctimony.

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  197. Truth says:
    @Vinteuil
    The murderers of Daniel Shaver - Officer Philip Brailsford and Sergeant Charles Langley - should be pursued by The Kindly Ones until the day that they hang themselves.

    https://youtu.be/VBUUx0jUKxc

    Well the guy was waving a gun out of a hotel window. That’s kind of like stealing a cigar in a 7-11 isn’t it?

    I know, he dindu nuffin..

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    "That’s kind of like stealing a cigar in a 7-11 isn’t it?"

    No, it's not. But I might as well try to explain the differences to my cat as to you.
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  198. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    I agree with much of what you wrote, but there is ONE significant difference between Jews and Northeast Asians in the U.S. The former, when they intermarry, assimilate the non-Jews. The latter sublimate. Thus, people who are fractionally Jewish tend to identify as Jews. Those who are fractionally East Asian identify mostly as the other - usually whites - in their ancestry.

    East Asian identify mostly as the other – usually whites – in their ancestry.

    Asians are servile. In Asia, the masses serve their masters and even used to bow to the ground.
    Even under communism, the masses were slavish dogs of the new rulers.

    So, this mentality is part of Asian DNA. Serve and submit to the power.

    East Asians are even more ‘white bread’ than whites. No personality or color.

    Also, identity mainly comes from the male. Because black males are seen as manlier than white males, most white/black mating is about white women going with black men. So, blackness dominates. After all, white women is submitting to black male power while rejecting white male as inferior.

    Same applies to interracial kids of Asians. By and large, Asian women reject Asian men as inferior and go with other races. Since Asian women prefer to submit to the males of other races, their children also identify with the dominant race.

    Even among Jews and Asians, I think it’s generally Jewish men and Asian women.

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  199. utu says:
    @Vinteuil
    The murderers of Daniel Shaver - Officer Philip Brailsford and Sergeant Charles Langley - should be pursued by The Kindly Ones until the day that they hang themselves.

    https://youtu.be/VBUUx0jUKxc

    The same for the jurors who acquitted them.

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  200. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @britishbrainsize1325cclol
    That mainland chinese nerd is a fool, idiot does not realise those kids protesting are on his side hope he realises this sooner than later.

    How do you know he is Chinese, let alone mainland Chinese? He speaks English with a Korean accent. Because he is Asian, one of the protesters immediately assumes he is Chinese and tells him to go back to Beijing. Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees. How are these protesters on his side? Were he studying for his exams when they protest in the library, they aren’t going to pay for his tuition if he flunks his class and they aren’t going to persuade Samsung to hire him if he gets a bunch of Cs.

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    Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees.
     
    99% of them want to stay and will do anything to stay after graduation, including staying illegally.
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  201. Factorize says:

    Let’s do a roll call of those posters on this thread who will acknowledge that 1-2 SD genetic enhancement is now possible (more or less) without genetic preconditions and are willing to recognize the profound social consequences!

    Many times I have witnessed conversations continue without any apparent change in the thought pattern once such a truly revolutionary idea has been introduced. There are clearly political motives for denying reality, though for some it is not so much a crafty denial of reality and more of a total obliviousness of reality.

    Will this thread be about confronting a new and completely unexplored world of very high intelligence without prominent group differences that have shaped the pre-modified world, or will this thread be about accepting reality as it is now and anticipating the wonderous benefits that will accrue from a world saturated with super-human IQ?

    Anyone want to step up and accept reality instead of live in fantasy land?

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  202. @Yan Shen
    But let me make a far more important point that many here seem to be missing. Given today's increasingly global economy, limiting East Asian immigration is hardly the panacea that many assume it'll be. If only we didn't have to compete against quantitatively adept East Asian immigrants in this country, you often hear people say on Unz!

    Alas, as the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s proved, competition today is global. As I stated in an earlier thread, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you! From an article back in 1991...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.f4b209705d60


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.

    Europe's computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands' electronics giant Philips, Italy's Olivetti and France's Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.
     

    If I were Derbyshire or anyone else here, I would be far less concerned about the 5 million or so Chinese Americans in this country and far more concerned about the rise of a population of 1380 million, more than 10x that of Japan, and what that might hold for the future of American competitiveness. If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it's far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country. I believe you're missing the forest for the trees here Derb!

    Someone like Eammon Fingleton on the other hand seems to be much more on top of such things.

    If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do?

    Paradoxically, China will be less of a danger than Japan precisely because it is a bigger nation. China is big enough to be satisfied with itself. Sure, it wants to do business with the world and make money, but China doesn’t need to conquer or control other nations to be a great power. It doesn’t need an empire since it is an empire-nation.

    Same goes for Russia. It’s big enough to be great on its own. Sure, Russians are underachievers, but Russia doesn’t need more land or more territory to make a mark in the world. It is great with what it has.

    The reason why Japan and Germany became so problematic(far more so than China or Russia) was the discrepancy between their ambitions and limitations. If both nations had been content in being nice normal nations, there would have been no problem. But Germany looked at Great Britain and France as models, great world powers with giant empires. Germany wanted to be great too and concluded it needed an empire of its own. As for Japan, it wanted to be the dominant Asian power but didn’t have enough land and resources to ensure such destiny.
    If China has modernized at the same time Japan did in the 19th century, then China would have developed as a modern industrial power too, and then, Japan would have acknowledged China as the major Asian power. Japan would not have developed an oversized ambition(that was only possible because China was seen as the Sick Man of Asia). As it happened, China was slow to modernize whereas Japan did it overnight. Flush with power and success, Japan wanted to remain the main Asian power indefinitely. At the time, Japan was much smaller than China but much stronger. China was much bigger than Japan but much weaker. This contradiction led to the great war between the two nations.

    But things are different now. Today, China has a bigger economy than Japan and is a stronger power. Things are more natural and normal.

    Will newly risen China act like Japan in the first half of the 20th century? We won’t have that problem because China’s ambitions are limited to coastal areas. China has no interest in taking over any other part of the world. It is satisfied with its own size. Also, it has enough problems within its own borders. It only wants to do business.

    The main problem comes from Jews because of the contradictions of their power. Jews are the most powerful people in the world but also the smallest of all the major powers.
    This leads to great neurosis in the Jewish mind that is filled with megalomania and super-anxiety.
    Jews are stronger than Chinese, Hindus, Russians, Anglos, Germans, Japanese, French, Iranians, but there are far fewer Jews than the populations of major gentile nations. Japan has over 110 million, Germany has 80 million, Russia has 125 million, etc. There are 13 million Jews in the world. And their own nation, Israel, is small. Jews control US(the most powerful nation on earth), UK, Canada, and etc, BUT their power depends on White Submissivism.

    This is why Jews denounce any sign of White Identity and Interest as ‘white supremacism’. Without white gentiles putting Jewish interests before white interests, Jewish supremacism cannot be sustained because Jews don’t have the numbers. Jews are like a mind that needs control other bodies.
    This is why Jews hate nationalism in all nations except in Israel. Nationalism makes the people of that nation think mainly of their own kind, their own race and culture. Also, universal nationalism means peace among gentile nations, and that means each nation can mind its own business and do what is best for itself.

    It is to the interest of Jewish Supremacism to have gentiles hate gentiles: US vs Muslims, EU vs Russia, US vs China, Saudis vs Iran, etc. This way, gentiles will be too busy hating one another to focus on what is best for their own nations. When gentiles hate gentiles, Jews get in between and manipulate both sides. Consider how American Jews declared New Cold War on Russia while Netanyahu and Russian Jews assure Putin that they are doing their best to improve things for Russia.

    If most peoples think nationally, they will come to the conclusion that it’s not an advantage to them to support Jewish supremacism. It is because they think globally that they are so confused and lost. If they can’t be for their own kind, what or whom should they be for? This is where Jewish agents step in and serve as consultants of navigating in globalist waters. Of course, the advice leads to even more loss and confusion, and then, Jews offer yet more advice on what to do, which only makes things worse since that advice is really meant to serve Jewish interests than gentile national interests. I mean, according to Jewish advice, Europeans must import tons of more non-whites in order for Europe to ‘survive’. Now, any such advice would sound crazy to a sane person, but the Holocaust Cult has instilled white gentiles with the image of Jews as holy people with wisest opinions.

    So, Jewish supremacist wars made a mess of the Muslim World and then unleashed tons of refugees(aided by Soros and gang) who flood into Europe. And all those cucked out Germans think their main role is to serve ‘refugees’, Muslims, and Africans than serve their own kind. When Germans and such people put the interests of the Other above their own kind, it means white submissivism that can easily be manipulated to serve Jewish interests.

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  203. @Thomm

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal.
     
    You are right, of course. Neither China nor India are seeing a large percentage quantity of emigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    The notion that 'all Chinese and Indians want to come here' has not been true for a while. Of course, these WN wiggers never look at data, as it is above their IQ grade.

    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let’s do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I’ll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let’s not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It’s Smugtown

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    You didn't understand the point.

    No one disputes that 20 million migrants are very small percentages of China's or India's population.

    The point is, not that many people there are clamoring to leave.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    I understand that a WN may not know how to interpret data, but in order to avoid asserting silly things, you must.
    , @anonymous

    Also, let’s do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.
     
    As the conditions in their own country are rapidly improving, fewer and fewer Chinese have any desire of emigrating to the West.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.
     
    That doesn't line up with my own experience of Japanese people in Japan at all. I'm curious, what is your source for this poll?
    , @Thomm

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.
     
    This is so laughably false than only an innumerate WN wigger would say it.

    Japanese immigration to the US is negligibly small in modern times. It is not the 1910s anymore.

    How many Japanese come to the US each year for Permanent Residency? Remember that the maximum greencard quota per country does not exceed 80,000/yr or so for any country not called 'Mexico'.

    It takes 10 seconds to look this up. That is why a WN retard like Priss Factor will spend a lifetime being misinformed.

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  204. @Ron Unz

    The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same....What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?
     
    I'll admit I never considered this question. I simply provided my quantitative data to a professional graphic artist, and assumed he used his software package properly since the results seemed reasonable by very casual inspection, presumably based on area.

    But doesn't your supposed discrepancy ignore the fraction of black or Hispanic students at the various schools, which is obviously far larger at Harvard or the Ivies than at strictly meritocratic Caltech?

    However, unlike that silly "Art Deco" troll, your question seems absolutely sincere and appropriate.

    Anyway, the numbers themselves are the key data, and here's a link to their sources:

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

    Ah, that explains it. The four color-coded groups do not make up the entirety of the student body. For Harvard their total is 72%, and for Caltech their total is 80% (unless I misadded). And (Caltech’s total four-dot area)/(Harvard’s total four-dot area) = 80/72 (approximately).

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  205. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor
    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let's do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I'll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let's not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It's Smugtown

    You didn’t understand the point.

    No one disputes that 20 million migrants are very small percentages of China’s or India’s population.

    The point is, not that many people there are clamoring to leave.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    I understand that a WN may not know how to interpret data, but in order to avoid asserting silly things, you must.

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  206. Rdm says:
    @Priss Factor
    Cuck Dad of the Year

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cguE3oOZE50

    "You wanna hump my daughter? Great!! Here's a free car to go along with it."

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.

    So, cucked whites import Asians to serve as overunderclass and import black seed to colonize white wombs into producing more Colin Kaepernicks and Obamas of the World.

    Asians may win in IQ game, but whites will really lose in the Insemination game to blacks. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the real decisive factor, esp as BBC is now retro-blackening British history. And European TV run pro-ACOWW ads all over the place.
    As for the US, blacks are worshiped as a demigod race.

    And of course, the Tribe is laughing at cuck white stupidity.

    Scientific study showed that Blacks in general have nail clubbing which indicates some forms of association with diseases in the body.

    Whites are destroying their centuries long in-breeding genetics with totally rudimentary genetic pool. Real cucks indeed.

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  207. @Daniel Chieh
    Are you saying that there aren't intelligent South Asians?

    That's obviously untrue. The current Modi government might be dickweeds and overall there's pretty saddening levels of corruption, but I've witnessed their competence at politics. My main complaint is that the "high-caste" particularly emphasize politics seemingly beyond any other virtues and it isn't very productive. This is how you get a country that can reap billions but still can't provide water or electricity widely to the countryside, let alone consideration about toilets.

    Arguably, Modi's ability to be an eternal pain is a kind of political success. India will probably be a thorn in China's side for all foreseeable future in the time to come. Its some sort of achievement, I guess.

    There are parts of India that are interesting: Sanskrit is a beautiful language, there is a lot of interesting culture and it is the homeland of Buddhism. Recent history has been pretty tragic though.

    To be fair, being an eternal thorn isn’t exactly difficult. Since India will forever be there and China doesn’t really want to fight a war with India, India can constantly provoke without getting into a war. The question is whether India gets anything good out it, whether the US will give India enough rewards for being sufficiently anti-China. Otherwise the whole exercise is kind of pointless.

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  208. Art Deco says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    haha. TLDR: what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords, we don't need another group supplanting them!!! he likes the current overlords and ivy league admission quotas :) he wants to stop immigration completely.

    at least he isn't of the camp that screams whites immigrants only :) that shows principle. big thumbs up.

    ps: as long as china isn't a kowtowing vassal, asian quota is here to stay :)))

    pps: elites want a bigger population so usa can have a bigger economy. good luck stopping that :)))

    what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords,

    You’re projecting. Mr. Derbyshire isn’t altogether inane. He leaves that to the combox denizens.

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    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))
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  209. Twinkie says:
    @Thomm
    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people. Even with their spouses and minor children, this would come to 300,000 per year.

    This is a lower cutoff than the 'Nobel Prize-level' that Derb flippantly assigns (most people earn the Nobel Prize at a very late age). I think anyone who can be in a $200K+/year profession should be allowed, as that is already the 95th percentile of the native population.

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    To Napoleon is attributed the saying, “moral is to physical as three is to one.” In immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income. The Manhattan Institute already tracks this (or a good proxy of it): https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    High-income, meritocratic elite is all nice and all, but what’s better is an elite with noblesse oblige that cares about their cognitive inferiors.

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    You are talking to a hindoo. The moral aspects and noblesse oblige are foreign to them.
    , @Thomm

    in immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income.
     
    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    Remember that WN is a goddess cult, so they are not capable of holding white women accountable for anything. Hence, their rage is somewhat misdirected.

    For all the talk of 'assimilation', the most over de-assimilation is happening right here, with these lily-white SJWs and feminists.
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  210. Ron Unz says:
    @Hail

    if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.
     
    You are referring here to the 1910s and 1920s and what you say does seem plausible or potentially plausible. It seems far less so for today, the 2010s, when college application by the right half of the IQ bell curve is near universal.

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

    I discussed this issue both in my original article and also in some of my subsequent follow-up columns. Here’s my analysis, which is admittedly somewhat speculative.

    My analysis of many dozens of National Merit Semifinalist lists suggests that on average Jews represent nearly 7% of the highest-performing American students, so we are seeking to explain the gap between that figure and their supposed 23% enrollment in the Ivies.

    First, the Jewish population is heavily concentrated in the Northeast, the part of the country in which all the Ivies are located, and that geographical proximity would certainly tend to increase their presence.

    Second, Jews are considerably more affluent than the general white population, and probably also much more focused on education and eager to have their children attend an Ivy. The latter factors are difficult to quantify, but almost certainly true.

    My own sense is that under a strictly meritocratic and objective admissions system, the combination of these two factors would tend to increase the relative preponderance of Jewish enrollment in the Ivies by a considerable amount, perhaps by 70-100%. So I’d think under that scenario we would see 12-15% of Ivy students being Jewish.

    Now as I explicitly stated in my article, although the Hillel figures are likely to constitute a rough representation of reality, it’s perfectly possible that they’re somewhat exaggerated due to “ethnic boosterism” and such, notably when it comes to including part-Jewish students, who may self-identify as Jewish. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the true Jewish enrollment figure is actually 20% or even less.

    The combination of these two factors means we are only left to explain a Jewish over-enrollment anomaly of perhaps 50%, certainly considerable, but obviously far less than the nominal over-representation of 1000% or more.

    At this point, a very simple consideration enters the picture. Based on painful past experience, elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit “too few Jews” in a given year there’s a dangerous possibility that they’ll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for “anti-Semitism,” thereby leading to a purge and their permanent removal to the unemployment lines. (Under similar circumstances, I’d think that economic analysts in Stalinist Russia were rather careful not to report overly “bad” results.) Therefore, I’d guess that if in any given year that the number of Jewish students being admitted to Yale happens to dip too low, enough additional ones are added in at the end to avoid risk of a horrific national media firestorm.

    Here are links to my previous discussions of this issue:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/#p_1_15

    Finally, according to the explicit “diversitarian” ideology of the Ivies, a certain fraction of the spots need to be allocated to blacks and Hispanics, while there are also considerable numbers of International students and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can’t be kept too low lest there be a public backlash. This combination of pressures leads to a relatively pre-determined enrollment figure for white American students, with Jews being classified as white. Thus, all those above factors that tend to increase the number of Jewish students automatically lower the corresponding number of non-Jewish white students.

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    Could there be some double counting in those numbers? E.g. mixed race children could check more than one box, are they double/triple counted?

    and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can’t be kept too low lest there be a public backlash.
     
    High performing Asian/unhooked white kids have been getting the shaft for a long time. Most Asian kids accepted are those with pretty good but not top grades, but are successful in non traditionally Asian ECs like drama club, model UN, football, basketball, wrote award winning essays etc. Double bonus if they're LGBTQ and made a point of writing about the "pain" of coming out to their "community".
    , @Twinkie

    elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit “too few Jews” in a given year there’s a dangerous possibility that they’ll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for “anti-Semitism,”
     
    It doesn’t even have to be that convoluted - it could also be that there are many Jewish admissions officers and administrators who think that the future elite of America should resemble them, period.

    When I worked as a student employee at the admissions office of an Ivy League university over 25 years ago, a Jewish administrator declared - to my astonishment, as it was so public - that Jews cared about the world while Asians didn’t. The implication was pretty clear.

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  211. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let's do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I'll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let's not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It's Smugtown

    Also, let’s do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    As the conditions in their own country are rapidly improving, fewer and fewer Chinese have any desire of emigrating to the West.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.

    That doesn’t line up with my own experience of Japanese people in Japan at all. I’m curious, what is your source for this poll?

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  212. utu says:
    @Twinkie
    To Napoleon is attributed the saying, “moral is to physical as three is to one.” In immigration terms, this means patriotism - sense of civic duty, if you will - is more important than mean income. The Manhattan Institute already tracks this (or a good proxy of it): https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    High-income, meritocratic elite is all nice and all, but what’s better is an elite with noblesse oblige that cares about their cognitive inferiors.

    You are talking to a hindoo. The moral aspects and noblesse oblige are foreign to them.

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    Oh, not you too! Was "Hindi-Russi bhai bhai" so much of a blow?
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  213. I come from an immigrant family that nicely fits the “overclass” paradigm Derbyshire posits in this article. I can’t help but laugh at wordy blabber about an open secret. We didn’t immigrate to take middle class jobs. We were elites in our countries of origin and have no interest in working manual labor jobs in the states. We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home. From childhood, we had a creed of academic and professional domination hammered into us by our parents. We watched as our white classmates smoked pot and spent their nights in front of the TV. We worked hard and feel no shame in reaping the rewards. Our success is partly cultural and partly IQ-mediated (both my parents scored in the very top percentile on a national exam (taken right after high school) back in the home country). It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings. They want tariffs to prevent the more capable Chinese worker from “taking” their jobs and they seem to want a people’s tariff to shield them from competition from more qualified foreigners. There is a white country without Jews or the immigrant elite — it’s called Belarus, and you are more than welcome to move there.

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    Not sure if you’re real or not, but you nailed it pretty good!
    , @Factorize
    ElitistSettler, I am very interested in your reaction to the idea that superhuman intelligence from genetic enhancement is now likely rapidly approaching. Enhancing human IQ by merely a few SDs is now already possible. Until now, selecting for an overclass immigrant elite only had medium-term psychometric validity, as regression to the mean is inevitable, especially for immigrants who have the ability and/or desire to blend into the mainstream. With current technology regression to the mean is no longer inevitable and this might have substantial socio-political relevance. What if the immigrant overclass were a permanent feature in our communities? However, given 100 IQ superhumans, this might not be of consequetial.

    What would your prediction be for how the world will unfold from here? In a world where anywhere could be the center of human civilization would you have even bothered moving? Will a genetically enhanced IQ world become more racially isolated? What happens when everyone in the community possesses superhuman ability?
    , @Thomm
    I agree with what you wrote. You have the right to supplant a group that is less hard-working. Anyone who opposes that in principle is just a lazy moocher (which WN faggots are).

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.
     
    Mainstream whites don't want this. Only loser WNs who are lazy and untalented want it (they are widely called 'wiggers' since they behave more like blacks, rather than successful whites). Remember that variance within whites is very high.

    A smart white simply evolves to do business with ascendant Asians, so he can remain ascendant himself. That is what I am about.

    , @renfro

    We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home.
     
    Really? If you enjoyed your status back home why did you leave?

    Our success is partly cultural
     
    What were the failings of your culture in your home country that made the country American culture created more attractive to you?
     
    , @Old Jew
    In many a Yiddish story there were Jews from Minsk or Pinsk. Soviet Belarus maintained Yiddish education/culture till 1928 or 1929, much later than any other part of the Soviet Union. Hitler killed a lot. But are they all gone? Is Belarus Judenrein?
    , @Twinkie
    I detest self-declared “elites” like you. People like you destroy social cohesion and harm the country at large. It makes me angry that I bled overseas to make your smugness, ingratitude, and selfishness safe, profitable, and possible in my beloved adopted country.

    And I am an Asian immigrant... who is an immigration restrictionist.

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.
     
    Well, we’ll see how you feel when your children are “elite replaced” by later immigrants with even greater contempt for native Americans than yours.
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  214. Biff says:
    @ElitistSettler
    I come from an immigrant family that nicely fits the "overclass" paradigm Derbyshire posits in this article. I can't help but laugh at wordy blabber about an open secret. We didn't immigrate to take middle class jobs. We were elites in our countries of origin and have no interest in working manual labor jobs in the states. We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home. From childhood, we had a creed of academic and professional domination hammered into us by our parents. We watched as our white classmates smoked pot and spent their nights in front of the TV. We worked hard and feel no shame in reaping the rewards. Our success is partly cultural and partly IQ-mediated (both my parents scored in the very top percentile on a national exam (taken right after high school) back in the home country). It's laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings. They want tariffs to prevent the more capable Chinese worker from "taking" their jobs and they seem to want a people's tariff to shield them from competition from more qualified foreigners. There is a white country without Jews or the immigrant elite -- it's called Belarus, and you are more than welcome to move there.

    Not sure if you’re real or not, but you nailed it pretty good!

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  215. Factorize says:
    @ElitistSettler
    I come from an immigrant family that nicely fits the "overclass" paradigm Derbyshire posits in this article. I can't help but laugh at wordy blabber about an open secret. We didn't immigrate to take middle class jobs. We were elites in our countries of origin and have no interest in working manual labor jobs in the states. We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home. From childhood, we had a creed of academic and professional domination hammered into us by our parents. We watched as our white classmates smoked pot and spent their nights in front of the TV. We worked hard and feel no shame in reaping the rewards. Our success is partly cultural and partly IQ-mediated (both my parents scored in the very top percentile on a national exam (taken right after high school) back in the home country). It's laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings. They want tariffs to prevent the more capable Chinese worker from "taking" their jobs and they seem to want a people's tariff to shield them from competition from more qualified foreigners. There is a white country without Jews or the immigrant elite -- it's called Belarus, and you are more than welcome to move there.

    ElitistSettler, I am very interested in your reaction to the idea that superhuman intelligence from genetic enhancement is now likely rapidly approaching. Enhancing human IQ by merely a few SDs is now already possible. Until now, selecting for an overclass immigrant elite only had medium-term psychometric validity, as regression to the mean is inevitable, especially for immigrants who have the ability and/or desire to blend into the mainstream. With current technology regression to the mean is no longer inevitable and this might have substantial socio-political relevance. What if the immigrant overclass were a permanent feature in our communities? However, given 100 IQ superhumans, this might not be of consequetial.

    What would your prediction be for how the world will unfold from here? In a world where anywhere could be the center of human civilization would you have even bothered moving? Will a genetically enhanced IQ world become more racially isolated? What happens when everyone in the community possesses superhuman ability?

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  216. @Art Deco
    what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords,

    You're projecting. Mr. Derbyshire isn't altogether inane. He leaves that to the combox denizens.

    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))

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    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))
     
    Exactly! It's pretty obvious that this "Art Deco" fellow is just a Jewish-activist type, and given his very extensive posting history, perhaps even an organized "troll." But he's certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.

    In many respects, he's the exact opposite of that "Whiskey" fellow who's been hanging around the iSteve blog for a decade or more, endlessly promoting Jews/Israel while denouncing the "WASP Mafia" that purportedly controls Hollywood(!!). Although he's utterly transparent, he's always claimed to be "Scots-Irish," which led to years of running jokes and ethnic euphemisms by iSteve commenters. Then one time, he let slip that he didn't even know the definition of the "Scots-Irish" ethnicity meant...

    Basically, I'd give "Whiskey" an F in ethnic Internet crypsis, and "Art Deco" an A-...
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  217. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    You are talking to a hindoo. The moral aspects and noblesse oblige are foreign to them.

    Oh, not you too! Was “Hindi-Russi bhai bhai” so much of a blow?

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  218. Ron Unz says:
    @utu
    or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115? The estimate of SD is even worse. So it is just assumed to be 15.

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115?

    It’s obviously true that explaining the over-representation of Jew in various academic institutions or other elite settings based on complex IQ extrapolations is an absurdity.

    Just as you say, the *mean* IQ of American Jews is unclear, let alone the precise shape of their high-end distribution curve, or that of the various other groups they’re competing against. You can plug in different numbers and get a huge variety of different high-end estimates.

    That’s why I think the approach I took in my Meritocracy analysis was far superior. The annual NMS lists are an excellent *empirical* measure of academic ability/performance at the high end, and therefore probably the best means of determining the actual current percentage of high-performing Jewish students, without any hand-waving nonsense about “fat tails” and such.

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    Of the Asians how much is due to cheating?
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  219. Thomm says:
    @Twinkie
    To Napoleon is attributed the saying, “moral is to physical as three is to one.” In immigration terms, this means patriotism - sense of civic duty, if you will - is more important than mean income. The Manhattan Institute already tracks this (or a good proxy of it): https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    High-income, meritocratic elite is all nice and all, but what’s better is an elite with noblesse oblige that cares about their cognitive inferiors.

    in immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income.

    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    Remember that WN is a goddess cult, so they are not capable of holding white women accountable for anything. Hence, their rage is somewhat misdirected.

    For all the talk of ‘assimilation’, the most over de-assimilation is happening right here, with these lily-white SJWs and feminists.

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    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.
     
    That’s a false choice.
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  220. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))

    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))

    Exactly! It’s pretty obvious that this “Art Deco” fellow is just a Jewish-activist type, and given his very extensive posting history, perhaps even an organized “troll.” But he’s certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.

    In many respects, he’s the exact opposite of that “Whiskey” fellow who’s been hanging around the iSteve blog for a decade or more, endlessly promoting Jews/Israel while denouncing the “WASP Mafia” that purportedly controls Hollywood(!!). Although he’s utterly transparent, he’s always claimed to be “Scots-Irish,” which led to years of running jokes and ethnic euphemisms by iSteve commenters. Then one time, he let slip that he didn’t even know the definition of the “Scots-Irish” ethnicity meant…

    Basically, I’d give “Whiskey” an F in ethnic Internet crypsis, and “Art Deco” an A-…

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    Oh, I don't know. It's odd what sets people off-- personally I find some of these things surprising in my case, my "triggers" include Bollywood (which I don't even like that much) the Middle Ages, etc. To me "Art Deco" comes across as your standard neocon type, and though not necessarily Jewish strongly opinionated on Jewish issues. I also recall reading his opinions (though I don't remember them) on Catholic issues which would probably be obscure to non-Catholics, so I figured he probably was or had been one.
    , @utu

    But he’s certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.
     
    The quality and wide range of his comments are really impressive. As if it was coming form a super intelligent AI Hal that has access to all kinds of databases at his finger tips. And then there is always the same gradient of his angle: the reality is as it is; reality is as you have been told so far; do not try to keep coming with weird theories and speculations because they are all false; there is nothing interesting to see. His quality and scope are not congruent with his angle. All his knowledge and all his data and he hasn't found anything interesting that would not conform to what we all read in newspapers. Amazing. If America had its High Office of Doctrine and Faith he could have been its supreme director.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    Don't understand why he even bothers to hide his identity, it is so obvious in a way. To know a person = knowing what sets that person off.
    , @Yan Shen
    You forgot about Whiskey's uh endless promotion of black men as well. It's sexy, sexy black men all the way down!

    One might refer to his worldview as cocknitive elitism, in contrast to the cognitive elitism which I often promote.
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  221. Thomm says:
    @ElitistSettler
    I come from an immigrant family that nicely fits the "overclass" paradigm Derbyshire posits in this article. I can't help but laugh at wordy blabber about an open secret. We didn't immigrate to take middle class jobs. We were elites in our countries of origin and have no interest in working manual labor jobs in the states. We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home. From childhood, we had a creed of academic and professional domination hammered into us by our parents. We watched as our white classmates smoked pot and spent their nights in front of the TV. We worked hard and feel no shame in reaping the rewards. Our success is partly cultural and partly IQ-mediated (both my parents scored in the very top percentile on a national exam (taken right after high school) back in the home country). It's laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings. They want tariffs to prevent the more capable Chinese worker from "taking" their jobs and they seem to want a people's tariff to shield them from competition from more qualified foreigners. There is a white country without Jews or the immigrant elite -- it's called Belarus, and you are more than welcome to move there.

    I agree with what you wrote. You have the right to supplant a group that is less hard-working. Anyone who opposes that in principle is just a lazy moocher (which WN faggots are).

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.

    Mainstream whites don’t want this. Only loser WNs who are lazy and untalented want it (they are widely called ‘wiggers’ since they behave more like blacks, rather than successful whites). Remember that variance within whites is very high.

    A smart white simply evolves to do business with ascendant Asians, so he can remain ascendant himself. That is what I am about.

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    My ancestors built this country, farmed its farms, built its cities, mined its coal, fought its wars, and created a society where 13 year olds no longer had to go to work in the mines and the average man could own a house and send his kids through high school. Most people had enough food to eat, clean water to drink, electricity, adequate clothing and shelter, and a couple days off a week. And we had White neighbors who did not prey on us, through force or fraud. These are not small achievements for any society. ElitistSettler's "...creed of academic and professional domination..." marks him as an enemy. I have worked 40 hours a week most of my life, and about 60 hours a week for two five year periods. I own a small house, a old pick-up, a small RV (inherited), an old motorcycle, books, and musical instruments. Why should I need to drive myself harder in order to have more? Books and music and family and the respect of others is not enough?

    You are savages.
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  222. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor
    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let's do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I'll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let's not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It's Smugtown

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.

    This is so laughably false than only an innumerate WN wigger would say it.

    Japanese immigration to the US is negligibly small in modern times. It is not the 1910s anymore.

    How many Japanese come to the US each year for Permanent Residency? Remember that the maximum greencard quota per country does not exceed 80,000/yr or so for any country not called ‘Mexico’.

    It takes 10 seconds to look this up. That is why a WN retard like Priss Factor will spend a lifetime being misinformed.

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    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Now, that doesn't mean they plan to. It's just something on their minds. But many are dissatisfied with their own nation because of overwork. Still, most will stay because it's familiar with them.

    Also, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.
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  223. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))
     
    Exactly! It's pretty obvious that this "Art Deco" fellow is just a Jewish-activist type, and given his very extensive posting history, perhaps even an organized "troll." But he's certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.

    In many respects, he's the exact opposite of that "Whiskey" fellow who's been hanging around the iSteve blog for a decade or more, endlessly promoting Jews/Israel while denouncing the "WASP Mafia" that purportedly controls Hollywood(!!). Although he's utterly transparent, he's always claimed to be "Scots-Irish," which led to years of running jokes and ethnic euphemisms by iSteve commenters. Then one time, he let slip that he didn't even know the definition of the "Scots-Irish" ethnicity meant...

    Basically, I'd give "Whiskey" an F in ethnic Internet crypsis, and "Art Deco" an A-...

    Oh, I don’t know. It’s odd what sets people off– personally I find some of these things surprising in my case, my “triggers” include Bollywood (which I don’t even like that much) the Middle Ages, etc. To me “Art Deco” comes across as your standard neocon type, and though not necessarily Jewish strongly opinionated on Jewish issues. I also recall reading his opinions (though I don’t remember them) on Catholic issues which would probably be obscure to non-Catholics, so I figured he probably was or had been one.

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    Well, I suppose you're correct, and "Art Deco" might indeed just be some totally brain-washed Gentile Neocon, an extreme representative of the "extended phenotype" produced by all those fanatic Jewish-activist types...
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  224. @Astuteobservor II
    haha. TLDR: what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords, we don't need another group supplanting them!!! he likes the current overlords and ivy league admission quotas :) he wants to stop immigration completely.

    at least he isn't of the camp that screams whites immigrants only :) that shows principle. big thumbs up.

    ps: as long as china isn't a kowtowing vassal, asian quota is here to stay :)))

    pps: elites want a bigger population so usa can have a bigger economy. good luck stopping that :)))

    I agree that it is about the economy, but i thng it is more of a labor force thing. Economist calculate the desired rate of growth of the labor force which is in most countries about 1 percent per year. They then adjust their migration policys so that this figure of 1 per cent a year can be achieved.

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    hmm. think of it this way. on a per capita basis, usa is miles and miles ahead of china. but the combined total PPP, china is already 15% bigger by virtue of it's bigger population. the immigration rate of about 1 million per year for the last 20 years or so has been trying to grow the us population. our elites had already seen the writing on the wall in the mid 90s. the decision makers doesn't care about your living standard that was affected by the higher immigration rate. all they care about is the total economic output. because that = power. and they aren't losing much anyway, they have gained, increase their total net worth by about 70-90%. remember when 60 billion was the richest? it is now over 100+ billion.

    they just need more consumers, labor force concern plays a small part if any. unemployment rate is already high(official number excludes alot of people) as hell, why would usa need more?
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  225. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon
    Oh, I don't know. It's odd what sets people off-- personally I find some of these things surprising in my case, my "triggers" include Bollywood (which I don't even like that much) the Middle Ages, etc. To me "Art Deco" comes across as your standard neocon type, and though not necessarily Jewish strongly opinionated on Jewish issues. I also recall reading his opinions (though I don't remember them) on Catholic issues which would probably be obscure to non-Catholics, so I figured he probably was or had been one.

    Well, I suppose you’re correct, and “Art Deco” might indeed just be some totally brain-washed Gentile Neocon, an extreme representative of the “extended phenotype” produced by all those fanatic Jewish-activist types…

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  226. @Thomm

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.
     
    This is so laughably false than only an innumerate WN wigger would say it.

    Japanese immigration to the US is negligibly small in modern times. It is not the 1910s anymore.

    How many Japanese come to the US each year for Permanent Residency? Remember that the maximum greencard quota per country does not exceed 80,000/yr or so for any country not called 'Mexico'.

    It takes 10 seconds to look this up. That is why a WN retard like Priss Factor will spend a lifetime being misinformed.

    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Now, that doesn’t mean they plan to. It’s just something on their minds. But many are dissatisfied with their own nation because of overwork. Still, most will stay because it’s familiar with them.

    Also, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

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    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.
     
    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    DHS immigration stats show extremely few Japanese coming to the US.

    A

    lso, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.
     
    Perhaps, but that does not mean they want to come to the West. Remember, they are just as prosperous. Many white Western children of rich parents are very unhappy too, for reasons unrelated to anything about race or immigration.
    , @anonymous
    It’s just something on their minds

    Source, please.

    Yes, workplace conditions in Japan can be stressful for some, but I don't recall people wanting to emigrate. Again, sources please...

    poll after poll

    Which polls? Or are you referring to the world happiness report? (which doesn't actually measure happiness, btw..)
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  227. @Truth
    More kikemason BS. I watched exactly 6 seconds. The "chick" has an obvious Adam's apple. Transgender actor and a Prince-Hall kid doing a pre-prepared skit to ensnare stupid people.

    Consider yourself stupid.

    Surely you know from personal experience than when you humped all the white womenfolk in town, their daddies, husbands, brothers, and uncles showered you with free money, free cars, free gift certificates, and free houses.

    Not only do they want to prove to Truth that they are not ‘racist’ but they worship the negrovah.

    I mean did you see the new messiah cult around Obama in 2008? They were fainting all over the place.

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    Surely you know from personal experience than when you humped all the white womenfolk in town, their daddies, husbands, brothers, and uncles showered you with free money, free cars, free gift certificates, and free houses.
     
    Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot.
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  228. A society no longer worthy of support should not be supported. America is dead. In the latter half of the 20th century it committed suicide in an orgy of ideologies: diversity, multiculturalism, feminism, queer rights, state welfarism, to name a few.
    The rot is simply to deep now to fix anything. I say “let the damned bury the damned.”

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    "America is dead. In the latter half of the 20th century it committed suicide in an orgy of ideologies: diversity, multiculturalism, feminism, queer rights, state welfarism, to name a few." -- Arthur2017
     
    The latter half of the 20th century began in 1950. At which time (1950), no one had even heard of "multiculturalism, feminism or queer rights" and "diversity" only occurred in the phrase "diversity of opinion."

    As for "state welfarism," medicare began in 1965 and food stamps in 1964. So you would do better to say "in the latter third of the 2oth century" than "latter half" as you have said. In 1950, the term "welfarism" was hardly if ever heard, and it was never an ideology so much as a set of related government programs and economic-political theories developed ad hoc in support of the phenomena of welfare itself. The biggest welfare program in the US in 1950 was the price-support program for farmers, guaranteeing minimal income for farmers of wheat, corn, etc., but heaven help the political candidate anywhere in the middle of the country who dared to refer to price-supports as "welfare."

    I do recall that, around 1950, you'd hear the phrase "cradle-to-grave security" used often in political discussions. Having come through the Great Depression, most people supported the idea that the government should provide what could be termed "welfare" during hard times, but not otherwise. Then the term "safety net" became popular, which was probably the beginning of your "welfarism".

    I am guessing that what you call "welfarism" means something like government programs to provide "guaranteed" medical care, higher education, minimum income, jobs and such. All that was thought back then to be "socialism," and the original meaning of "socialism" as public ownership of the means of production had been forgotten. The last time that anything like Marxism was widely available to the American people was when the Socialist Workers Party made use of the equal-time doctrine to present an educational series of documentaries on mainstream television in 1948 0r 1952. Such event(s) spelled the end of the equal-time doctrine, with the concept of "equal time" continuing only in the various meta-debates held around the issue of the exclusion of minor parties from presidential debates (since the Kennedy--Nixon debates of 1960).

    If you want to talk about ideologies in the latter half of the 20th century, you really want to talk about the big two ideological religions: Communism and anti-Communism. Of course, from about 1975 to 2000, there was a big deal about Feminism, but that has fizzled out. And there is still a big deal about Environmentalism, but that whole thing has gotten smushed since the Green Party got lost and could not even get Kerry to join with them in their union with the Libertarian Party to contest the clearly fraudulent machine count in Ohio in 2004,

    "And here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGqB6JIUzBo
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  229. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor
    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Now, that doesn't mean they plan to. It's just something on their minds. But many are dissatisfied with their own nation because of overwork. Still, most will stay because it's familiar with them.

    Also, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    DHS immigration stats show extremely few Japanese coming to the US.

    A

    lso, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

    Perhaps, but that does not mean they want to come to the West. Remember, they are just as prosperous. Many white Western children of rich parents are very unhappy too, for reasons unrelated to anything about race or immigration.

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    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    I've been trying to find it, but google messes up search results.

    It's like I read an article about how India has exported 300 million of its people, but I can't find it anymore.

    Search results sucks on the engines.

    It will be Planet of the Apu.

    Anyway, Japan seems doomed. Its corporate elite wants to inundate Japan with foreigners.

    https://japantoday.com/category/business/japan-inc-supports-bringing-in-low-skilled-foreign-labor-poll

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  230. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Now, that doesn't mean they plan to. It's just something on their minds. But many are dissatisfied with their own nation because of overwork. Still, most will stay because it's familiar with them.

    Also, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

    It’s just something on their minds

    Source, please.

    Yes, workplace conditions in Japan can be stressful for some, but I don’t recall people wanting to emigrate. Again, sources please…

    poll after poll

    Which polls? Or are you referring to the world happiness report? (which doesn’t actually measure happiness, btw..)

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  231. lao gu says:
    @PandaAtWar
    Yan Shen, Panda is very disappointed by this post of yours. The way you argued here is terminologically, hence logically, very messy by seeminglessly jumping back and forth amongst 3 concepts of "Asians", "East Asians" , and "Chinese and Indians"( as if "Indians" is an obligatory term that must be attached whenever the word "Chinese" appears).

    On top of that, the absurdly stubborn way you stick to the claim of "high IQ Indian casts" with no apparent logical reason has made Panda already in awe...

    Panda thus wonders, Yan, do you have "high caste" Indian wife? or gf? or boss? or biz partner? who would castrate you if you speak a "wrong" word they are not used to, or something?

    I guess Yang Shen must be Indian who us the name like Chinese.

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  232. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We need a 20 year moratorium, not a single new immigrant for 20 years.

    Send packing all those not yet citizens – rescind all their visas, green cards.

    Then assimilate the new citizens from the last 20 years.

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  233. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    How do you know he is Chinese, let alone mainland Chinese? He speaks English with a Korean accent. Because he is Asian, one of the protesters immediately assumes he is Chinese and tells him to go back to Beijing. Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees. How are these protesters on his side? Were he studying for his exams when they protest in the library, they aren't going to pay for his tuition if he flunks his class and they aren't going to persuade Samsung to hire him if he gets a bunch of Cs.

    Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees.

    99% of them want to stay and will do anything to stay after graduation, including staying illegally.

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    99%? Did you pull it out of a hat or you have some source to back it up?

    China is the largest sender of international students to the US. (The swelling ranks of Chinese students studying abroad are spending 380 billion yuan ($56 billion) annually)
    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-07-21/101120226.html

    Chinese college students studying in the U.S. are finding it just as interesting these days to return home to the world's No. 2 economy rather than staying a few years in the world's No. 1.

    Some 82.23% of students who studied abroad returned to China last year, up from 72.38% in 2012, according to government figures.
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/04/17/chinas-best-and-brightest-leaving-u-s-universities-and-returning-home/#6c049df01d41


    Not only that, the Chinese government has been luring foreign talents to live and work in China. For example , Dutch chemist Bernard Feringa, who won the Nobel for chemistry last year, and Swiss scientist Kurt Wüthrich, a 2002 Nobel Prize winner in chemistry have been granted Chinese green card.
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  234. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    More kikemason BS. I watched exactly 6 seconds. The "chick" has an obvious Adam's apple. Transgender actor and a Prince-Hall kid doing a pre-prepared skit to ensnare stupid people.

    Consider yourself stupid.

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  235. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?
     
    I discussed this issue both in my original article and also in some of my subsequent follow-up columns. Here's my analysis, which is admittedly somewhat speculative.

    My analysis of many dozens of National Merit Semifinalist lists suggests that on average Jews represent nearly 7% of the highest-performing American students, so we are seeking to explain the gap between that figure and their supposed 23% enrollment in the Ivies.

    First, the Jewish population is heavily concentrated in the Northeast, the part of the country in which all the Ivies are located, and that geographical proximity would certainly tend to increase their presence.

    Second, Jews are considerably more affluent than the general white population, and probably also much more focused on education and eager to have their children attend an Ivy. The latter factors are difficult to quantify, but almost certainly true.

    My own sense is that under a strictly meritocratic and objective admissions system, the combination of these two factors would tend to increase the relative preponderance of Jewish enrollment in the Ivies by a considerable amount, perhaps by 70-100%. So I'd think under that scenario we would see 12-15% of Ivy students being Jewish.

    Now as I explicitly stated in my article, although the Hillel figures are likely to constitute a rough representation of reality, it's perfectly possible that they're somewhat exaggerated due to "ethnic boosterism" and such, notably when it comes to including part-Jewish students, who may self-identify as Jewish. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if the true Jewish enrollment figure is actually 20% or even less.

    The combination of these two factors means we are only left to explain a Jewish over-enrollment anomaly of perhaps 50%, certainly considerable, but obviously far less than the nominal over-representation of 1000% or more.

    At this point, a very simple consideration enters the picture. Based on painful past experience, elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit "too few Jews" in a given year there's a dangerous possibility that they'll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for "anti-Semitism," thereby leading to a purge and their permanent removal to the unemployment lines. (Under similar circumstances, I'd think that economic analysts in Stalinist Russia were rather careful not to report overly "bad" results.) Therefore, I'd guess that if in any given year that the number of Jewish students being admitted to Yale happens to dip too low, enough additional ones are added in at the end to avoid risk of a horrific national media firestorm.

    Here are links to my previous discussions of this issue:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/#p_1_15

    Finally, according to the explicit "diversitarian" ideology of the Ivies, a certain fraction of the spots need to be allocated to blacks and Hispanics, while there are also considerable numbers of International students and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can't be kept too low lest there be a public backlash. This combination of pressures leads to a relatively pre-determined enrollment figure for white American students, with Jews being classified as white. Thus, all those above factors that tend to increase the number of Jewish students automatically lower the corresponding number of non-Jewish white students.

    Could there be some double counting in those numbers? E.g. mixed race children could check more than one box, are they double/triple counted?

    and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can’t be kept too low lest there be a public backlash.

    High performing Asian/unhooked white kids have been getting the shaft for a long time. Most Asian kids accepted are those with pretty good but not top grades, but are successful in non traditionally Asian ECs like drama club, model UN, football, basketball, wrote award winning essays etc. Double bonus if they’re LGBTQ and made a point of writing about the “pain” of coming out to their “community”.

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  236. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil
    "If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country."

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we've imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don't want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

    Elect (and keep electing) someone of Trump’s Caliber to lead. He will Make America Great Again. In that, you may even expect tacit support from Putin’s white Russia.

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  237. @Thomm

    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.
     
    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    DHS immigration stats show extremely few Japanese coming to the US.

    A

    lso, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.
     
    Perhaps, but that does not mean they want to come to the West. Remember, they are just as prosperous. Many white Western children of rich parents are very unhappy too, for reasons unrelated to anything about race or immigration.

    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    I’ve been trying to find it, but google messes up search results.

    It’s like I read an article about how India has exported 300 million of its people, but I can’t find it anymore.

    Search results sucks on the engines.

    It will be Planet of the Apu.

    Anyway, Japan seems doomed. Its corporate elite wants to inundate Japan with foreigners.

    https://japantoday.com/category/business/japan-inc-supports-bringing-in-low-skilled-foreign-labor-poll

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  238. Discard says:
    @Thomm
    I agree with what you wrote. You have the right to supplant a group that is less hard-working. Anyone who opposes that in principle is just a lazy moocher (which WN faggots are).

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.
     
    Mainstream whites don't want this. Only loser WNs who are lazy and untalented want it (they are widely called 'wiggers' since they behave more like blacks, rather than successful whites). Remember that variance within whites is very high.

    A smart white simply evolves to do business with ascendant Asians, so he can remain ascendant himself. That is what I am about.

    My ancestors built this country, farmed its farms, built its cities, mined its coal, fought its wars, and created a society where 13 year olds no longer had to go to work in the mines and the average man could own a house and send his kids through high school. Most people had enough food to eat, clean water to drink, electricity, adequate clothing and shelter, and a couple days off a week. And we had White neighbors who did not prey on us, through force or fraud. These are not small achievements for any society. ElitistSettler’s “…creed of academic and professional domination…” marks him as an enemy. I have worked 40 hours a week most of my life, and about 60 hours a week for two five year periods. I own a small house, a old pick-up, a small RV (inherited), an old motorcycle, books, and musical instruments. Why should I need to drive myself harder in order to have more? Books and music and family and the respect of others is not enough?

    You are savages.

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    Good for you....the pursuit of happiness is what its all about.
    , @Thomm

    You are savages.
     
    Nope. I am white, whereas you are a WN wigger who has nothing in common with successful whites.

    You have nothing common with successful whites, so quit taking credit for our work.

    White Trashionalists desperately want to claim 'they' did what successful whites did.

    I doubt your ancestors contributed anything favorable to America.

    If WN wiggers like you were given your own land to make a country, it would be worse than Haiti. You just can't take the hint that the other 80% of whites don't want you around.
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  239. Twinkie says:
    @Thomm

    in immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income.
     
    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    Remember that WN is a goddess cult, so they are not capable of holding white women accountable for anything. Hence, their rage is somewhat misdirected.

    For all the talk of 'assimilation', the most over de-assimilation is happening right here, with these lily-white SJWs and feminists.

    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    That’s a false choice.

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    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.
     
    That’s a false choice.
     
    False choice indeed. Many(not all) Asian immigrants and their children have progressive leanings, indoctrinated by the liberal education system dominated by liberal Jews. This is especially true of the more loquacious Indians who gravitate more towards liberal arts than East Asians.
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  240. Anon 2 says:
    @jtgw
    Also her real name is "Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski," Pasterski being her father's name. I would bet he's Jewish.

    Pasterski is a Polish name. Sabrina’s father is Polish

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    Do you have a source? A lot of Jewish names have Polish forms ending in "-ski" or "-sky".
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  241. Twinkie says:
    @Ron Unz

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?
     
    I discussed this issue both in my original article and also in some of my subsequent follow-up columns. Here's my analysis, which is admittedly somewhat speculative.

    My analysis of many dozens of National Merit Semifinalist lists suggests that on average Jews represent nearly 7% of the highest-performing American students, so we are seeking to explain the gap between that figure and their supposed 23% enrollment in the Ivies.

    First, the Jewish population is heavily concentrated in the Northeast, the part of the country in which all the Ivies are located, and that geographical proximity would certainly tend to increase their presence.

    Second, Jews are considerably more affluent than the general white population, and probably also much more focused on education and eager to have their children attend an Ivy. The latter factors are difficult to quantify, but almost certainly true.

    My own sense is that under a strictly meritocratic and objective admissions system, the combination of these two factors would tend to increase the relative preponderance of Jewish enrollment in the Ivies by a considerable amount, perhaps by 70-100%. So I'd think under that scenario we would see 12-15% of Ivy students being Jewish.

    Now as I explicitly stated in my article, although the Hillel figures are likely to constitute a rough representation of reality, it's perfectly possible that they're somewhat exaggerated due to "ethnic boosterism" and such, notably when it comes to including part-Jewish students, who may self-identify as Jewish. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if the true Jewish enrollment figure is actually 20% or even less.

    The combination of these two factors means we are only left to explain a Jewish over-enrollment anomaly of perhaps 50%, certainly considerable, but obviously far less than the nominal over-representation of 1000% or more.

    At this point, a very simple consideration enters the picture. Based on painful past experience, elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit "too few Jews" in a given year there's a dangerous possibility that they'll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for "anti-Semitism," thereby leading to a purge and their permanent removal to the unemployment lines. (Under similar circumstances, I'd think that economic analysts in Stalinist Russia were rather careful not to report overly "bad" results.) Therefore, I'd guess that if in any given year that the number of Jewish students being admitted to Yale happens to dip too low, enough additional ones are added in at the end to avoid risk of a horrific national media firestorm.

    Here are links to my previous discussions of this issue:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/#p_1_15

    Finally, according to the explicit "diversitarian" ideology of the Ivies, a certain fraction of the spots need to be allocated to blacks and Hispanics, while there are also considerable numbers of International students and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can't be kept too low lest there be a public backlash. This combination of pressures leads to a relatively pre-determined enrollment figure for white American students, with Jews being classified as white. Thus, all those above factors that tend to increase the number of Jewish students automatically lower the corresponding number of non-Jewish white students.

    elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit “too few Jews” in a given year there’s a dangerous possibility that they’ll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for “anti-Semitism,”

    It doesn’t even have to be that convoluted – it could also be that there are many Jewish admissions officers and administrators who think that the future elite of America should resemble them, period.

    When I worked as a student employee at the admissions office of an Ivy League university over 25 years ago, a Jewish administrator declared – to my astonishment, as it was so public – that Jews cared about the world while Asians didn’t. The implication was pretty clear.

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    Very true, Twinkie.

    Both you and Ron agree that Jews implement a policy of self-preference - you say this manifests in admissions officers, Ron says the (Jewish) media is the mechanism by which Jewish self-preference is enforced.

    But it is surely both.

    If self-preference can be accepted as a characteristic of Jewish behavior then it surely manifests itself across all fields in which Jews participate heavily.

    Mutually reinforcing each other, a sort of interlocking web is created, observable, but difficult to grasp in its full extent.

    Ron's detailed list of reasons for Jewish dominance can really be classified under three main headings, it seems to me 1) ethnic nepotism, enforced through media, etc 3) differences in motivation between Jews and whites 3) accidents of time and place

    In my scheme, 2 is most important, and the existence of 1 really depends on the existence of 2.
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  242. @Daniel Chieh
    Are you saying that there aren't intelligent South Asians?

    That's obviously untrue. The current Modi government might be dickweeds and overall there's pretty saddening levels of corruption, but I've witnessed their competence at politics. My main complaint is that the "high-caste" particularly emphasize politics seemingly beyond any other virtues and it isn't very productive. This is how you get a country that can reap billions but still can't provide water or electricity widely to the countryside, let alone consideration about toilets.

    Arguably, Modi's ability to be an eternal pain is a kind of political success. India will probably be a thorn in China's side for all foreseeable future in the time to come. Its some sort of achievement, I guess.

    There are parts of India that are interesting: Sanskrit is a beautiful language, there is a lot of interesting culture and it is the homeland of Buddhism. Recent history has been pretty tragic though.

    Are you saying that there aren’t intelligent South Asians?

    Hi Chieh, Panda loves when you started with this popular strawman. Were you insinuating that Panda can stop reading all the stuff your wrote afterwards? ROFL

    That’s ok.

    But when Panda claimed that?

    Or has Panda ever come across to you as an intellectual giant who would claim that stupidity?

    Of course there’re intelligent , say IQ> 100, South Asians, a lot actually! And many of them are in the US via H1B.

    In fact ANY big-sized group has intelligent people. It’s the Bell Curve all about, darn it!

    But that’s not the point. For you to catch up to the speed:

    Panda’s point was that there’s no established, or logically apparent reason why India’s self-identified “upper castes” have “high IQ ” ( loosely defined as “with average IQ >=100″ by common sense for the sake of argument). Ditto for case of Ibo in Nigeria!

    Yan Shen, as most Hindu nationalists, tried to make a point that since there’re tens of thousands “upper castes”Indians in the US who “seem” in general, many of them actually do, have high IQ, therefore their claimed “castes” (i.e. implied meaning of worldwide population, including most of their corresponding IQ Bell Curves residing in India) must have high average IQ as well. This logic is heavily flawed.

    With no apparent reason in sight, therefore, Panda had to question Yan Shen’s personal relationship with these “upper castes” in order to justify his view.

    Yes, there’re some proofs that India is a heterogeneous place with many different groups, or “castes”, with different average IQs respectively.

    However, therefore to claim 1 or many of these self-identified “upper castes” with different avg IQ from India’s “low castes” must all have high average IQs ( again, loosely defined as “with average IQ >=100″ by common sense for the sake of argument) requires a quantum leap of faith, is it not?

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    BTW, contrary to Hindu fanatics and your claim, India never was, and is not, the homeland of Buddhism by any stretch of sensible standard :

    e.g. ethnic origin; % of Buddhism population; important defining Buddhism thoughts, works, schools, scholars, leaders, ceremonies, architectures/temples, continuous development path & plans…across time and their impacts to the home nation and the larger world, as one would easily identify in both Islam and Christianity in the ME & Europe respectively.

    If India were the homeland of Buddhism, Iran would be the Mother Macca of Christianity, Panda tells ya! lol

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