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Last week, I ventured some remarks about the Justice Department case against Harvard University for discriminating against Asian Americans. This brought in a surprising number of emails. I’ll take just two main points:

  • First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that!

Listeners who made this point were referring of course to the Ashkenazi Jews who poured into the U.S.A. 1880-1920.

Indeed; and colleges responded to second-generation Jewish academic prowess just as they are now responding to Asian-Americans. They imposed quotas.

The parallel’s an obvious one. I didn’t raise it last week for two reasons. One, it was too far off the main topic, which was Asian American quotas. Two, the rise and fall of the mid-20th-century Jewish quotas is a long and tangled tale, very capably told by Ron Unz in the American Conservative article I mentioned: The Myth of American Meritocracy. [November 28, 2012]

While I’m at it, I’ll tell you again that if you don’t like reading long-form articles online, the essay is also on paper in Ron’s book with the same title.

Ron’s account is closely based on a 2005 book by Berkeley sociologist Jerome Karabel: The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. In brief:

The Ivy League universities in the early years of the 20th century practiced a more or less meritocratic admissions policy, with academic merit the main consideration. The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities; so, when Ashkenazi children came of college age, they began to swamp the admissions.

The WASP elites responded at first by imposing frank, open quotas. That caused controversy, though; so the university presidents backed off to a so-called “holistic” process — basically a subjective one that, as Ron wrote, allowed the ethnicity of the student body to be shaped as desired by undeclared de facto quotas:

The Jewish portion of Harvard’s entering class dropped from nearly 30 percent in 1925 to 15 percent the following year and remained roughly static until … the Second World War.

After the war those de facto quotas collapsed. Jews today are again at 25 percent of the student body at Ivy League universities. Since the college-age population is only 1.8 percent Jewish, that’s an extraordinary over-representation. Twenty-five divided by 1.8 is almost fourteen. Given the “tail effect” you get in statistical distributions with different means, though, it perhaps reflects the reality of higher mean Ashkenazi intelligence.

But then the question arises: Why can elite colleges get away with admissions policies that reflect the higher mean IQ of Ashkenazi Jews when they are apparently not willing to let those policies reflect the higher mean IQ of Asian Americans?

I’ll offer a three-part answer.

  • Part One of my answer: The breakdown of the anti-Jewish de facto quotas after WW2—what caused that?

From Ron Unz:

Karabel convincingly demonstrates that the collapse of the long-standing Jewish quotas in the Ivy League during the decade following World War II only occurred as a result of massive media and political pressure, pressure surely facilitated by very heavy Jewish ownership of America’s major media organs, including all three television networks, eight of nine major Hollywood studios, and many of the leading newspapers, including both the New York Times and the Washington Post. By contrast, Asian-Americans today neither own nor control even a single significant media outlet, and they constitute an almost invisible minority in films, television, radio, and print. For most Americans, what the media does not report simply does not exist, and there is virtually no major media coverage of what appear to be de facto Asian quotas at our top academic institutions. [Emphasis added].

  • Part Two of my answer: Jews are white, Asians are not, and while any overclass is resented, a racially distinctive overclass is resented more than one that barely looks any different from the resenters.

Anti-Semites know this; that’s why they put out drawings of the hunch-backed, hook-nosed cartoon Jew when they want to inflame anti-Jewish feeling. It makes the Jew plainly a different race.

  • Part Three of my answer: even under the current covert quotas, Asian Americans are enrolled at elite colleges in numbers far above their five percent share of the U.S. population.

Yes, they’re being held down: on a strictly meritocratic basis their numbers would be much higher yet, because of the arithmetic of those distribution tails. Still, strictly measured by demographic proportionality, they’re high.

So yes, we were importing an overclass a hundred years ago. Elite universities dealt with the issue by fudging and chicanery—just as they are dealing with this repeat performance.

There are some key differences, though. Jews are white, which makes things easier to fudge. Also, the high IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is more verbal than visuo-spatial, leading to that dominance in the shaping of opinion.

Asian Americans, by contrast, are much more visible as a group. And their high IQ is more visuo-spatial than verbal, giving us more engineers and scientists, fewer writers, lawyers, comedians, movie and newspaper moguls.

But in both cases, non-Asian gentiles get squeezed. We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more.

Under our current state ideology, the orthodox approach to that hovers somewhere between “Who cares?” and “Serve them right!”

Whether that ideology can be sustained going forward through the 21st century, is an interesting question.

  • Second point main point raised by readers: any merit-based immigration system imports an overclass.

I agree. Consider for example India. The mean IQ of that country is 82. The mean IQ of Indians in the U.S.A., on the other hand, is 106—higher than the mean for white gentile Americans.

So there’s an overclass we’ve imported … from a low-IQ population.

The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000. Every one of those 38,000 very-smart Africans is applying for a U.S. student visa.

Caribbean blacks are, for complicated reasons, somewhat smarter than black Africans. Add them into the mix and we’re importing a small black overclass.

Is this something we should be bothered about? We-e-ell … there are contrary factors to consider.

Under the present regime of chain migration, for example, all those smart Indians and Africans can bring in their way-less-smart siblings, brides, parents, and even cousins. You could argue that long-term that evens out the mix.

ORDER IT NOW

There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean — although not all the way to it, or else Natural Selection wouldn’t work. Given the likelihood of assortative mating, in fact — smart immigrants marrying other smart people — regression all the way back to the population mean is highly improbable, even after many generations.

So, no, this is not a great issue. It is an issue, though — an issue that lurks behind all the happy talk about a merit-based system of immigration.

The first time America imported an overclass, we did so accidentally. When that Great Wave of Ashkenazi Jews came in after 1881, we had only the vaguest ideas about population differentials in intelligence and personality. Psychometry as a quantitative science was just getting started.

Now we understand much more, and can make better decisions. If we import a new overclass today, we’ll be doing it deliberately. We know enough to not do it.

And any overclass we import now will be nonwhite. That follows just from the balance of races in the world being much different than it was 100 years ago.

If you’re a nonwhite who doesn’t like white people, you are fine with that. If you’re a white person living in one of the globalist-bubble districts — big coastal cities, college towns — you may think it’s no big deal, we can all get along.

The rest of us are shaking our heads.

Wait a minute, someone at the back of the hall has a question. Yes, Sir? … OK, for those of you who couldn’t hear, the question was:

“Mr. Derbyshire: You are against mass immigration from south of the border because you don’t want to import a low-IQ, low-human-capital underclass. And you’re against merit-based immigration because you don’t want to import a nonwhite overclass. So who would you let in for permanent settlement?”

To which I’ll give my standard answer.

  • Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
  • Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
  • Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
  • Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
  • A few hundred other special cases per annum — a statutory maximum of one thousand, say — considered individually.
  • Nobody else at all.

We’ve had the doors wide open for fifty years. Time for an assimilation break.

Time for a moratorium.

Not the time to raise the temperature of social discord by heaping further insults and injustices on white gentile Americans.

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. They will be the uber-unter class or over-under class.

    They will rise over white masses but serve as commissars under Jews, Homos, and white cuck elites.

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think. They only know how to study, follow, and imitate. So, they will be the commissar class of globo hegemony. They will work against both white patriots and yellow patriots in Asia. They will identify mainly with privilege under globalism.

    Jewish Globalists push Diversity in elite institutions to make all gentile elites identify mainly with Privileged-Diversity than with their own kind.
    British Imperialists did the same thing. They trained diverse elites of all colors to identify primarily with British Imperialism than with their own kind. So, if Hindu, African, Arab, or Asian elites all studied together in British institutions, they would identify more with one another as happy subjects of the British Empire than identify with their own racial kin.

    This system came under attack during the Anti-Imperialist period that accelerated after WWII, which brought upon the Golden Age of Universal Nationalism.
    But Jewish-Homo globo-hegemony centered in the US is pushing a new kind of Universal Imperialism where ALL NATIONS(except Israel) are opened up for massive Inclusion-Invasion or Inclasion and Homomania as the neo-religion.

    If white gentile patriots ruled America, yellows might serve them. But because PC is the official Template of the land, they will serve Jewish/Homo globalists and Mulattoes. Also, they will race-mix with Jews, white cuck elites, and mulattoes. And yellow homos and trannies will esp be favored over yellow straights. They will be Yellow Dogs of globalism. Just look at the daughters of Amy Chua.

    Chewish agents of homo-globalist-imperialism.

  2. Yan Shen says:

    There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean —

    But if India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes, for all intents and purposes aren’t these upper castes distinct racial sub-groups and thus their offspring would in theory regress to the mean of higher subgroup?

  3. Yan Shen says:

    I mostly agree with Derb but probably wouldn’t make my criteria as restrictive. Legal immigration is something like 1 million per year right now right? Judging by Wikipedia, that number seems to have stabilized at around slightly over one million per year for the past decade or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#History

    Let’s get that down to say 200,000 or something like that. Or maybe even 100,000. You forgot to add another category of exceptions, Derb. Let’s also uh let in anyone who’s ever been say a Miss Venezuela or Miss Israel or the likes…

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @TWS
  4. Yan Shen says:

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    .

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I tend to you agree with you on principle that we should restrict immigration, but my criteria, as I’ve stated, are probably a bit looser compared to yours.

    The main problem though is that most of your readers don’t even want principled uniform immigration restriction across the board. They just want non-Jewish white people. So if you dumped half the population of Hungary into the United States, I’m guessing most of your uh readers would be celebrating.

    The problem with white nationalism, as I’ve argued elsewhere, is that it’s not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable, apart from the Utopian fantasy that somehow pan-Europeanism can transcend all cultural and national borders. In actuality, although most white Americans tend to think of themselves as white, Europeans generally speaking tend to have a much greater sense of ethnic nationalism. As anyone who pays attention to what’s been going on over there, there are significant points of division, in particular along the Western/Southern/Eastern European fault line…

  5. Yan Shen says:

    The same applies to Africa. The mean IQ in black Africa is 70, which is very low. Assuming a normal distribution with mean 70 and standard deviation 15, Microsoft Excel tells me that only 0.0032 percent of the population is higher than 130 IQ.

    That’s a teeny-tiny percent; but there are an awful lot of black Africans: 1.2 billion is the latest number I’ve seen. Point zero zero three two percent of 1.2 billion is 38,000.

    Same point as the one I made about India. I suspect sub-Saharan Africa is essentially a lesser version of India, with a fair amount of racial heterogeneity. Although most of the continent is probably not particularly impressive, I suspect that certain subgroups like the Igbo could be considered the cognitive elite of Africa.

    I believe this would also resolve many of the data points that Chanda Chisala and James Thompson have been debating on this site, for instance. Most likely operating under a model in which the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa is a racial monolith with average IQ 70 and SD 15 is probably a bit naive.

    One other random comment is that supposedly IQ is non-Gaussian at the tails, but not sure how that would apply to uh lower average IQ populations…

  6. He does love him some Yid doesn’t he.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  7. @Yan Shen

    Rule one
    No “dual citizens”

    Rule two
    A waiver of any State or Federal ” Benefit” rights,

    Rule three
    Proof of future income.

    None of this crap is hard,

    • Replies: @Rdm
  8. Americano says:

    “We un-squeeze blacks and Hispanics with Affirmative Action, but that just squeezes white gentiles even more.”

    Dear Derbyshire:

    Can you please–pretty please, with whip cream on top–stop conflating Blacks and Hispanics. The reason is simple: California Institute of Technology is the only school in the U.S. with a strictly merit based (that is, non-affirmative action) admission policy and its student body has been consistently 43% Asian, 29% White, 12 % Hispanic, 1% Black, etc. Additionally, at MIT, for years Hispanics enrollment has range between 15% to 17% . According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it may be the other way around in some cases. As you well know, Ron Unz has thoroughly addressed this issue.

    Note: Hispanics are presently a disorganized population without a leadership class of educated elites. For a large numbers of Hispanics–upon getting an education and leaving the barrio–either become “White” or marry an Anglo and their kids become “White”–hence, the absence of a leadership class. Asians and Jews, by contrast, have an educational infrastructure that is completely lacking in the Hispanic community. But this is starting to change in some areas of Florida and California, which could potentially trigger an explosion of Hispanics in Ivy schools.

    To the issue at hand: in view of their present condition, the fact that Hispanics account for 12% of CalTech student body undoubtedly reflects more the untapped potential of this population rather than the reverse.

  9. Daniel H says:
    @Americano

    Good point.

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  10. Bach says:
    @Priss Factor

    Yellows are diligent and work hard to move UP, but they don’t know how to lead or think.

    You keep saying that, but Asia is leading. One Belt One Road Initiative, the 21st century Silk Road. The New Development Bank led by China/BRICS. And more to come while America struggles for relevance.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  11. Bach says:

    The first time America imported an overclass, we did so accidentally.

    Really? After 2000 years of experience? It was just an accident?

    we had only the vaguest ideas about population differentials in intelligence and personality. Psychometry as a quantitative science was just getting started.

    So it’s just a simple difference in IQ and personality that makes Jews more successful? They’re just smarter and more hard working?

    Sounds very innocent.

    The rest of us are shaking our heads.

    If America makes it about race not respect for native society/culture, humanity will be shaking its head. We need an immigration moratorium, but not because we fear new overlords.

  12. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.”

    Like the valorous freedom fighters who sodomized Colonel Gaddafi to death for the cackling Mrs. Clinton?

    • Replies: @Moi
  13. Derbyshire, I do believe you are in the early stages of dementia. You state that Jews are 25% of Harvard. No one cares about Harvard. When Bill Gates dropped out, that was the end of Harvard. Jews/Asians/blacks cannot create a college that any gentile would want to attend. Brandeis is a Jewish university but no one cares about it. Why? Because Jews/Asians/blacks are considered inferiors and have no cachet. Your Chinese offspring are a perfect example of this. You’re scribbling the same stuff over and over. How about you stop writing for a while. When you do want to write something, let it be your farewell letter to the USA and your plans for life in yellowtopia (Taiwan, China, etc.).

  14. Rod1963 says:
    @Yan Shen

    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Asians OTOH don’t. They’re colonists who don’t integrate. It’s all tribal and pragmatic for them. Tribe, community and family come first and foremost. It doesn’t mean they’re bad people though they can be quite predatory and ruthless, it just means that they look out for their own kind first and foremost.

    Mexicans in smaller numbers don’t show this, they can assimilate. However when a state is swamped with them like CA, they cease assimilating and remain the same people they were in Mexico. IOW they keep all the destuctive pathologies they fled from in Mexico.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    , @Thirdeye
    , @Corvinus
  15. I say let’s have mass emigration. Let non-whites emigrate to non-white nations so that they won’t be oppressed by white privilege.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
    • Replies: @Rdm
  16. Thomm says:
    @Daniel H

    Too many smart latinos grow up in environments where being smart is seen as being white, which rubs other latinos the wrong way. Too bad for this.

    This means they ARE like blacks. That is the only other group where being smart is equated with ‘acting white’.

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @Anon
  17. Thomm says:

    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people. Even with their spouses and minor children, this would come to 300,000 per year.

    This is a lower cutoff than the ‘Nobel Prize-level’ that Derb flippantly assigns (most people earn the Nobel Prize at a very late age). I think anyone who can be in a $200K+/year profession should be allowed, as that is already the 95th percentile of the native population.

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Twinkie
  18. ziggurat says:
    @Yan Shen

    In all fairness here, which one of these would you qualify under John?

    I often hear the sentiment that immigrants should not advocate a policy that would have prevented them from getting into the country. Another often repeated sentiment is that we are all immigrants. Does this mean that no one can reasonably or ethically support much lower immigration?

    I think it’s OK to criticize any policy that you may have personally benefitted from. People can reasonably change their mind, particularly with respect to complicated issues like immigration, of which the media heavily support one side. It may take many years for even curious, open-minded people to recognize the problems. Some people never do, even if born here, either because of the propaganda or for fear of being ostracized for wrong-think.

    Also, the Derbyshire policy is not that restrictive. The first item is allowing “spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens”. That alone would be more than 200,000 per year, according to this older article from 2001 by Mark Krikorian (of CIS.org):

    https://cis.org/Legal-Immigration-What-Be-Done

    The average number of spouses and minor children of citizens admitted from fiscal years 1995 through 1998 was about 220,000.

    My guess is that the number is probably much higher now (twenty years later in 2017), but I wasn’t able to find more recent numbers.

    Another article from 2001 by Roy Beck (of NumbersUSA.com) regrets that about the lowest annual number he thinks is practical would be about 300,000, largely due to spouses and minor children.

    https://cis.org/Roy-Becks-Numbers

    I picked the number [255,000] based on 200,000 spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens … Trends suggest that my number might rise fairly close to 300,000 before it began coming down strongly.

    Are “uh readers” the same as “readers”? Sorry, if that sounds smart-alecky, but are you insinuating they don’t really read or something?

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
  19. TWS says:
    @Yan Shen

    No. When we reach a reasonable two hundred million we can discuss maybe two thousand immigrants a year.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  20. Yan Shen says:

    Well I’d love to get a response from Derbyshire on my point that he, as an immigrant from the UK, wouldn’t have qualified under any of the own criteria he offered forth. I think you’re on the right track Derb, but are a bit unrealistic about what can be achieved. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half to 500,000 or so from the 1 million it’s been at for the past decade.

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we’re only talking about permanent settlement, if I’m understanding the argument correctly.

    What about foreign students who study in the US? I personally tend to think that at the undergrad level, schools shouldn’t be favoring foreigners over Americans merely because foreigners will pay full tuition compared to students here. Graduate school is obviously a different situation though, so I have less of a problem with those students.

    Here’s the main point that Derb and others here may be missing. There actually aren’t that many Chinese or Indians in the United States, especially when you consider the large populations from which they’re drawn from. There are about 5 million Chinese Americans and over 4 million Indian Americans. Giving that America has an official population of about 320 million, the total Chinese+Indian American population is about 2.5% of the overall population.

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal. There are maybe 10 million Chinese living in all Western countries worldwide. By comparison, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia numbers somewhere between 40 to 50 million.

    Chinese and Indian immigrants also tend to be disproportionately concentrated in certain parts of America. For instance, half of Chinese Americans live in either California or NYC. So the impact of this immigration on the country as a whole is minimized, in my opinion. Not too many rednecks in the middle of nowhere have to deal with Chinese or Indian Americans. East Asians obviously tend to have a disproportionate impact relative to their actual numbers, especially in quantitative STEM areas, given their visuospatial strengths. Is this bad for the country? I’m actually not convinced. As Derbyshire himself notes, East Asians mostly skew away from the arenas of politics, business, law, media, and the likes, where public opinion and policy on social matters are formed. So unlike the questionable influence that Jewish Americans may have in terms of advancing this country’s agenda, East Asians are far more of a technical overclass than a ruling overclass. Your average American in the middle of nowhere probably feels the impact of East Asian Americans mostly through whatever is coming out of Silicon Valley these days.

  21. Yan Shen says:
    @ziggurat

    Okay my bad on the spouses and dependent children part. When I said that we could cut legal immigration down to 100,000-200,000 per year, that was sans spouses and dependent children. If that alone is about 300,000 each year, I’m thinking a more realistic goal then is for America to halve the current number of legal immigrants per year from over 1 million to maybe around 500,000 or so.

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn’t seem entirely realistic.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  22. Yan Shen says:
    @Rod1963

    White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.

    Thanks for the comedy.

    White nationalism is quite sane, though it’s bad for people like you and other Asian, Hispanic and African ethnics who could find the door shut in your face and stuck spending your lives in the hell hole you’re running from.

    Which one of the following, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even mainland China given its rapid development in recent years, is a hell hole either in general or specifically compared to powerhouses such as Poland or Romania?

    If anything much of the rhetoric not only in the mainstream media but around the Unz blogosphere seems to be why America can’t have nice things like they do in say Japan…

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/japans-exclusionary-nationalism-a-striking-essay/

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @WHAT
  23. @Bach

    Having a migration moratorium is a reasonable thing that most people would support. But by mixing it up with racist sentiment they shot themelves in the foot. Most people would not be supportive of such a moratorium if the main motivation is racial. This is why i think the anti migrant movement will remain a fringe coumminty instead of gaining acceptence in the mainstream.

    • Agree: Bach, Thomm
    • Replies: @Stripes Duncan
  24. Yan Shen says:
    @Yan Shen

    I think if we adopt a sane immigration policy favoring skilled immigrants, like they do in places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Cananda, or Australia, we can probably cut that down even further, say to 200,000 or so a year. Capping it out at 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions seems unrealistic. Of course we’re only talking about permanent settlement, if I’m understanding the argument correctly.

    Forgive my ignorance and add in another uh 250,000-300,000 a year perhaps for spouses and dependent children of US citizens.

  25. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen

    Furthermore, consider that mainland China has over 1380 million people and mainland India has over 1320 million people. 5/1380 and 4/1320 are .36% and .30% respectively, which makes it amusing to hear people complain for instance about how the Chinese are supposedly all leaving China and overwhelming America. In actuality, immigration from China to America or anywhere else in the West is fairly minimal.

    You are right, of course. Neither China nor India are seeing a large percentage quantity of emigration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while. Of course, these WN wiggers never look at data, as it is above their IQ grade.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Priss Factor
  26. Yan Shen says:

    But let me make a far more important point that many here seem to be missing. Given today’s increasingly global economy, limiting East Asian immigration is hardly the panacea that many assume it’ll be. If only we didn’t have to compete against quantitatively adept East Asian immigrants in this country, you often hear people say on Unz!

    Alas, as the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s proved, competition today is global. As I stated in an earlier thread, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you! From an article back in 1991…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.f4b209705d60

    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan’s remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the “Japanese peril.” The Japanese “salaryman’s” arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.

    Europe’s computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands’ electronics giant Philips, Italy’s Olivetti and France’s Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.

    If I were Derbyshire or anyone else here, I would be far less concerned about the 5 million or so Chinese Americans in this country and far more concerned about the rise of a population of 1380 million, more than 10x that of Japan, and what that might hold for the future of American competitiveness. If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country. I believe you’re missing the forest for the trees here Derb!

    Someone like Eammon Fingleton on the other hand seems to be much more on top of such things.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @Priss Factor
  27. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen

    Given the realities of the modern American economy, limiting skilled legal immigration apart from the aforementioned 300,000 to basically 1,000 a year plus a handful of exceptions doesn’t seem entirely realistic.

    Of course is isn’t realistic. If that happened, the same people would be whining about ‘Outsourcing of jobs’ and stagnant house prices in need of a government bailout.

    Not to mention a wider trade deficit with China than currently exists.

  28. I think America should follow China’s system, don’t give citizenship no matter what, not even marriage. But allow foreigners to have residency permits for doing business, work,marriage etc.

  29. Yee says:

    There’s a higher percentage of native-born Americans living aboard than the Chinese. Like everyone else, Americans also emigrating….

    There’s a distinct difference in discussions of immigration issue on the US forums and Chinese forums. On Chinese forums, there’re always forumers asking “if we’re mean to other race people, what will happen to our people living overseas?” I’ve never seen Americans asking the same.

    Americans talking about nationalism? What a joke! The US is a country for opportunists. All your laws and all your teachings is about self-interest, personal this personal that. Immigrants are opportunists, they’re right at home in the US. Why should anyone there “go back”?

    You’d do better recognize the nature of the country and act accordingly.

    • Agree: Thomm
    • Replies: @TWS
  30. For this idea to work the title of the post should be changed from “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass” to “Time to Stop Importing Anyone.”

    Why? Because we are at an inflection point where automation technology is beginning to disrupt our entire economic system. Job destruction is beginning to accelerate and since the pool of jobs is shrinking why invite anyone outside of the U.S. into the pool? Additional workers will simply suppress the wages of existing or aspiring U.S. workers. Anyway, how else do you expect anyone besides hetero white males to have sympathy with this topic?

    The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time ( Kurzgesagt Video )

    The Rise of the Robots ( Book )

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1780748485/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=kurzgesagt-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=1780748485&linkId=e7072cbb5e1e1d84694f7d82b4a20541

  31. Good article by John. I don’t think that spouses of U.S. citizens or dependent children should qualify for automatic residence status. There’s a Canadian Indian tribe withe an explicit “marry out, move out” policy. (I think that they have controls in place to prevent significant in-breeding). Love your country, love it’s prospective spouses! Some of the other commentators have noted how large a category the spouses and dependent children are, and naturalized citizens or even first-generation native born who marry people from the “Old Country” perpetuate a sub-culture that resists assimilation.

  32. @Yan Shen

    My personal first choice of any group to accept would be Dutch Boers. Hard working, thrifty, and the most race realistic people on the planet.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  33. WHAT says:
    @Yan Shen

    Mainland China is very much a hellhole compared to any state in Eastern Europe. Despite what maoist suckers sometimes published here on unz will tell you, only the coastal part of China is up to par, and it was so for all of their history.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  34. Discard says:
    @Yan Shen

    India and Pakistan were ruled by fewer than a million Britons, including dependents. Hey Ghandi, there’s only about 800,000 of them, so what’s your beef?

    Even one overbearing foreigner is too many.

  35. bartok says:
    @Americano

    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015, e.g.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/

    Implausible to claim that the female applicant base is far superior to the male, but MIT and Caltech both claim thusly. College execs are practiced at lying.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  36. Yan Shen says:

    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

  37. Art Deco says:
    @Thomm

    I fully agree that immigration should only be higher-skilled people.

    We’re perfectly capable of educating and training a professional-managerial stratum domestically. Immigration flows should be at a level to supply the fertility deficits we suffer or should be characteristic in dimension of those which prevailed between 1790 and 1840 and between 1924 and 1965. That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year. Applicants could be subject to an English proficiency test, a physical, and a background check and then given a place in a first-come-first-served queue. If an applicant got married or sired a child, the dependents could be added to the application and the set assigned a common position in the queue reflecting an average of when each person in the family entered the queue (at birth, at the date of marriage, or at the date of application). We could have a rule that applications from most Muslim countries would be accepted only from families with children or from older-married couples.

    The annual issue of temporary residency visas is properly equal to a function of the number of verified departures of temporary residents over the previous half-dozen years, so the ratio of temporary residents to natives and settlers could remain fixed; such temporary visas are properly limited to diplomatic and quasi-diplomatic personnel, refugees, students and teachers, and dependents of the foregoing. Refugees are properly admitted retail, with care of refugees generally provided in camps near the countries of origin.

    We benefit from people who have a demonstrated affinity for life in this country. As long as they’re not a public charge, it shouldn’t matter what their skill set is.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Thomm
  38. BozoB says:

    I never see figures for the historical percentages of Jews in the U.S. population when the discussion of Ivy League quotas comes up. Without them, how can we judge how severe these numeri clausi were? How about an open discussion of a simple question: What claims do newcomers have on the rest of a country’s people? When millions of Jews arrived around the start of the 20th century and the universities set limits on them, was this immoral? Was it really evidence of “antisemitism” or “racism”? How reasonable is it that even today many Jews look back on these quotas as evidence of something horrible and shameful in American history? The matter is not academic, because the thrust of all the main media today is to vilify native (European) peoples who don’t react with joy to the arrival of large numbers of foreigners. Is the only ethical path a sort of via crucis for the natives, forever witnessing the dissolution of their own culture by the arrival of strangers? Is the desire for stability and normality tantamount to genocide? (And should I drink less coffee?)

  39. @Yan Shen

    The problem with white nationalism, as I’ve argued elsewhere, is that it’s not based on anything particularly sane or reasonable

    What makes you think “reasonable”is the standard of governance? A proper leader needs to connect emotionally with the population. There’s nothing rational about love of family or tribe or country, but it’s the foundation of every lasting nation.

    The reasonable thing is to get out of the USA now with all those bits in a computer rationally indicating wealth. Things are going to get uglyhere, like a newborn baby is ugly. Only the irrational love of its parents sees it to growth, success, and beauty.

  40. Eagle Eye says:
    @Americano

    a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez (an MIT and Harvard student) is believed to be the next Einstein. Put simply, Hispanics are not squeezing Whites, an argument could be made that it

    TWO problems.

    ONE, the story is too neat – college admin wet dream. Also, we are not hearing that she is a Mestiza, so presumably, she is not.

    TWO, Einstein was NOT believed to be “the next Einstein” before he established his own reputation. Einstein was a nobody working at the Swiss Patent Office.

    Einstein himself considered Planck to be the greatest innovator in theoretical physics and continued to feel uneasy about the principles of quantum mechanics – “God playing dice” with the universe.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  41. Discard says:
    @Yan Shen

    Importing Orientals to do the racism that Americans won’t do.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  42. Could we at least stop importing the underclass? This time, in NYC, from Bangladesh.

    Choice NYT comment: “I couldn’t agree more. It is incumbent on us, as Americans, to kowtow to every terrorist demand and when regular folks from another culture warn us that they will riot if we make a decision that has nothing to do with them or if we draw a picture that offends people thousands of miles away, we should respect their intolerance.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/nyregion/explosion-times-square.html#permid=25181820:25182424

  43. jtgw says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Also her real name is “Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski,” Pasterski being her father’s name. I would bet he’s Jewish.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  44. Logan says:
    @Yan Shen

    While back read about this. If I remember correctly, there isn’t much of a correlation between (at least most) of the upper castes and higher IQ.

    Probably for the simple reason that they bred for breeding rather than for performance. Now if you bred high-IQ strains as such, then you might very well have something in a few generations.

  45. Logan says:
    @Thomm

    Indians? Feather, not dot.

  46. Truth says:

    Dude, you imported an overclass into your own bedroom.

    Uh-till-AAAH; where are you?!?!?

  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Except that seeing themselves as white is a valid option for a lot of Hispanics.

  48. Thomm says:
    @bartok

    Caltech is not strictly merit-based. They discriminate in favor of women, admitting as many women (282) as men (291) in 2015,

    If that is true, CalTech has destroyed itself.

    On pure merit, an elite STE school like CalTech is unlikely to ever be more than 15% female.

  49. Thomm says:
    @Art Deco

    That would mean an annual issue of settler’s visas equal to about 0.125% of the extant population, or 400,000 a year.

    As you can see, my number is even lower than that :

    That comes to 300,000/year, or 9 per 10,000 domestic Americans.

    Now then, what is assimiliation?

    Many aspects are subjective (it is safe to say that SJW whites have fully ‘de-assimilated’ from any values that made the West great. Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Hence, the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :
    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?
    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?

    These are the two metrics that matter.

    Watching baseball and eating processed, unhealthy food like hotdogs and factory-made apple pies is not ‘assimilation’. Nothing is wrong with celebrating the Chinese new year and eating with chopsticks, if you came from China. As long as you meet the two criteria above.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Vinteuil
  50. Brabantian says: • Website

    To summarise a very striking John Derbyshire article & state some key discussion points & implications … i.e., ‘How the USA was invaded & dominated by Jews & Asians’:

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that

    (a) Other tribals / ethnics significantly do not assimilate as claimed in ‘multi-cultural dream’ propaganda, and

    (b) So-called ‘meritocracy’ merely forfeits power & influence to whatever group of ethnics / tribals can best game the offered ‘merit’ system, immiserating the local natives

    In 1880-1920 a great many Ashkenazi Jews immigrated to the USA, who had greatly higher IQs than natives

    These Jews became an intrinsic problem, because they resist assimilation, keep significant tribal co-operation & mutual assistance, & because their particular IQ aspects & tribal traits, lead Jews to -

    (a) Greatly & successfully control much of media & academia, ‘framing’ information & discourse where they live, for their own benefit

    (b) Significantly augment the oligarchy in power, trading on centuries of history as ‘court Jews’, eagerness to serve rulers as a tribal survival technique … a fact well-known to oligarchs in modern times, who prize Jews as their most effective servants or mafias, with charges of ‘anti-Semitism’ able to be hurled at anyone questioning these arrangements

    This means that corruption favouring the oligarchy will tend to become very Jewish when a large number of Jews are in a society, given their predilection for being oligarch assistants (not to deny there are also revolutionary & dissident Jews etc) … and a mafia of ‘them’ has significant drawbacks versus home-grown mafia

    By the 1920s the Jewish ‘takeover’ already came to be seen as a problem, as USA universities etc started to be flooded with Jewish people, and Jews became increasingly involved in media (Hollywood, the press) and government

    USA universities responded with quotas … which Jewish media & political power were then able to quash after a time, via their strong influence

    In a temporary compromise, elite universities adopted ‘holistic subjective’ admissions criteria, without formal discrimination, allowing unusually large numbers of Jews, but still not as many as Jewish high IQs and system-gaming traits would have produced

    Jews themselves now find the shoe on the other foot, however, as Asians with even higher IQs, and even better merit-system-gaming techniques, now take places at universities that were formerly won by Jews

    It is a bit of a different situation, as Asians excel in different areas; tend to avoid abrasive confrontation scenarios; are not as driven to seek media control, nor wide political power through personal service to oligarchs … although they also rather resist assimilation, and become quite dominant at high levels, especially in professional technical fields

    But now, with two major elite groups having been imported, who have higher IQs and the abilities to push aside the old locals via ‘meritocracy’, with the first big group having begun doing this more than a century ago … the old locals are, as they say, shite out of luck

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Corvinus
    , @Alden
  51. Travis says:

    even if Jew have an average IQ of 115 this does not explain why 25% of Ivey league students are Jewish…in America there are 12 times as many gentile whites with an IQ over 130 compares to the number of Jews with an IQ of 130 +

    yet despite the larger number of gentiles with an IQ over 130 the, Harvard has an equal number of Jews as non-hispanic white gentiles. How do we explain this ? IQ does not actually explain the discrepancy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    Meritocracy is a giant disastrous problem when combined with large-scale immigration of other tribals / ethnics, given that..

    Why not just go with the Nick Land observation?

    Capitalism is a giant disaster for humanity given modern means of physical and informational mobility.

    And yet, there is really no solution in the end for it.

  53. Art Deco says:
    @Thomm

    Most SJWs are pure Anglo-Saxons).

    Very few people are ‘pure Anglo-Saxons’. In this country, about 35% of the population is predominantly descended from pre-1840 immigration and settlement streams. No clue as to what their share is among SJWs. The primary nuisances at the campus I’m best acquainted with had a number of backgrounds (one was walking around with an Italian name and a taste for sodomy, a couple had German names, another was a mulatto woman, another was Sinhalese). Fundamentally, academics have more in common with each other than they do with their own non-professor cousins; the guild is more important than the ethnos.

  54. Art Deco says:
    @Travis

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  55. Thirdeye says:
    @Rod1963

    Tribalism is largely (but not exclusively) a function of socio-economic stagnation. Hispanics assimilate and interbreed when they are upwardly mobile. The less adept ones are less secure in dealing with the mainstream and remain more dependent on the network of La Familia. The lower socioeconomic rungs among Asian immigrants, largely represented by southeast Asian groups (who come from more tribal societies to start with) remain insular. And among the less wealthy Hispanics and Asians, they often live in environments where sticking with the in-group is a matter of physical safety because they rub elbows with America’s most violent group, lower class blacks. Wealthier Asians who surmount the language barrier get more exposed to the mainstream and have power in the sexual marketplace beyond their own group. And Asian women, according to data from dating websites, have risen to the top in desirability to all other groups. Even Jews have a high rate of intermarriage, to the point that ethno-obsessive Jews worry about the dilution of Jewish identity. Even someone like the Orthodox Jared Kushner has a dick that overrides his ethnic chauvinism in choice of a breeding partner. The most attractive Jewish women are ones who don’t really look Jewish.

    There is nothing to support the idea that cultural norms associated with northeast Asia – orderliness, conscientiousness, diligence, contribution to the group – would not push American culture in a positive direction if they ever became influential. They might grate against our rugged individualist sensibilities, but they might increase social functionality.

    • Replies: @edgeslider
    , @Twinkie
  56. @Diversity Heretic

    They are nice people, but five minutes of listening to a Boer accent is five minutes you will very much wish you spent doing anything else.

  57. Corvinus says:
    @Rod1963

    “White Americans wouldn’t have a issue with Hungarians, Poles or Romanians coming here. They’d integrate quite well over time. We never had a problem before.”

    Late 1800′s nativists referred to Eastern and Southern Europeans as the “dregs” of society, given their socialist and anarchist tendencies, as well as their vile Roman Catholic upbringing.

    Alt Right leader Vox Days makes it clear that most immigrants should go back. He says “We’ve lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn’t be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.”

    So, everyone, unless you are able to directly trace your ancestors back to the original colonists, the British, you are utterly undesirable, and you have to go back.

    More from Vox Day…”No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic.”

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, to put into his vernacular. So the Carl Schurz’s of the world are in essence barbarian, and hundreds of millions of Americans are essentially fake. We all have to go back.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  58. Corvinus says:

    “There’s also regression to the mean. The offspring of these high-IQ immigrants will regress towards their population mean — although not all the way to it, or else Natural Selection wouldn’t work. Given the likelihood of assortative mating, in fact — smart immigrants marrying other smart people — regression all the way back to the population mean is highly improbable, even after many generations.”

    It’s not as simplistic as Derby makes it appear to be.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/16/regression-to-the-mean/

  59. Corvinus says:
    @Brabantian

    In reality, tribals/ethnics have significantly assimilated, as demonstrated by intermarriage rates. Moreover, are not European whites also “gaming the ‘merit’ system” to suit their own ends?

  60. @Priss Factor

    I more or less agree. In the case of British India, the Hindu elite, the Brahmins, faithfully and obsequiously ran things for the British overlords. And when the British overlords skedaddled out of India, they seamlessly settled into the vacuum until the Indian democracy and demography wised up and put an end to it in some parts of India like the south. Now a lot of these displayed Brahmins (from elite positions) especially in South India, slowly skedaddled into America and are slowly working their way up to be ensconced as over-under lords – Think Sundar Pichai of Gulag.

  61. Thomm says:

    We all have to go back.

    Not just that, but many of the WN wiggers who say ‘you have to go back’ are lesser whites like Poles and Russians. They desperately want to take credit for Western Civ that they did nothing to build, while pulling rank on US-born blacks who can trace lineage here for 400 years.

    The other idiocy of the ‘You have to go back’ baby-level intellects is that once you become a US citizen, you often have to renounce your old citizenship (dual-citizenship is often not full in the other country). Hence, a US citizen would become stateless if his US citizenship is stripped. Therefore, there will never, ever, ever be an expulsion of people who are already US citizens (halting new Naturalizations is another matter).

    WNs retards who cry ‘you have to go back’ have no idea how citizenship, surrendering of the old citizenship, and statelessness works.

    Of course, White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Vinteuil
  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A problem with the “geniuses-only” loophole is that (like any loophole) it will be abused with the connivance of sympathetic immigration officials/activists. Basically, every prospective immigrant will claim to be a “genius” and these claims will be rubber-stamped as authentic.

    We already see this with the “refugee” loophole, with people routinely making bogus claims of being persecuted in their home countries. Similarly, if you allow a loophole for “children”, then everybody under 35 will claim to be a “child”. Special allowance for “homosexuals”? — now everybody at the border claims to be gay. etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  63. @Yan Shen

    I agree. I have worked with a few Igbo. They are not pygmies, intellectually or otherwise.

  64. @Thirdeye

    Jews have the highest out-marriage rates, close to 60% of all Jews marry non-Jews. So the WN in their imagined future can holocaust only the fractional Jews up to 0.25 Jews. 1.0 Jews will be almost non-existent and murdering < 0.25 Jews would be blasphemous, as Hitler was 0.25 Jewish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. Immigration in the West has been badly mismanaged and now alt-right pseudo-intellectuals are preaching the quixotic gospel of tribalism, isolationism and “you must go backism” in the 21st century. This after the West pretty much conceived, gave birth and raised the globalization baby over the past few/several centuries

    Immigration can work if,
    1. Limited and gradual immigration
    2. Selective immigration (Hi IQ, talent, elite etc.)
    3. Vigorously promote a common culture and identity instead of the opposite we seem to be doing ferociously
    4. Don’t force immigration down the throats of the majority.

    But in America dealing with the low IQ, dysfunctional and profoundly embittered black population is a wicket problem.

  66. @Corvinus

    So, Vox Day would prefer electing people like John Lindsay, Howard Dean, Elizabeth Warren, or Ned Lamont over Frank Rizzo, Joe Arpaio, Ted Cruz, Dina Powell, or Stephen Miller? Under Vox Day’s criteria, a massive part of Antifa would be more fit to hold office than children of immigrants who love America more than the native born due to their families having memories of life in more oppressive lands. Then again Vox Day would have America become an oppressive land if he or his compatriots ever took power.

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @edgeslider

    If (say) a young Jewish lady marries a Jewish guy and has a couple of children, then after the kids are grown up, divorces him and marries a middle-aged gentile, it can be said of her that she has a 50% out-marriage rate.

    But are those two marriages really equivalent?

  68. Ron Unz says:
    @Art Deco

    We started with RU’s (cogently disputed) claim that 25% of the Harvard undergraduate student body was Jewish to contending that 25% of the whole Ivy League student body is Jewish. What’s up with all the base-stealing?

    It’s sometimes better to actually know something about a specialized topic rather than just randomly spout off nonsense on the Internet…

    Here’s a link to a 2012 PDF providing estimates of the Jewish enrollment at a long list of major colleges, including Harvard. Note that the Jewish enrollment figure for Harvard is given as 25%.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/CollegeJewish-Fall2012.pdf

    These estimates were produced by Hillel, the national Jewish college organization, and were published in a leading Jewish magazine. Hillel has been providing similar such estimates for decades, and these have also regularly been circulated and republished in major Jewish media outlets.

    Prof. Jerome Karabel heavily relied upon these Hillel estimates as the basis for his 700pp opus on the history of Jews in the Ivy League, which won all sorts of scholarly awards. Numerous other scholars have also used these figures over the last 30-odd years, and the data has been accepted without question by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chronicle of Higher Education, and every other elite media organ, as well as by the top administrators of leading universities.

    Are these numbers actually correct? Who the Hell knows! But since they happen to be the only such figures in existence, it’s not clear what might replace them. Since the Martian have apparently given “Art Deco” far better data, perhaps he should offer to share his bounty with scholars everywhere.

    I’d suggest that anyone with serious—as opposed to “trolling”—interest in the topic should read my extensive writings on the subject, and perhaps peruse one of my quantitative appendices:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Vinteuil
  69. It may be true that Jews and East Asians have higher average IQ’s than whites, but they also come from cultures that value ambition and education. That’s got to account for at least part of it. Americans in general have been regressing to the means of ignorant, lazy, and entitled.

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @epochehusserl
  70. Anon 2 says:
    @WHAT

    To put things in perspective it makes sense
    to compare China to its neighbors like Japan,
    Korea, and Russia, using GDP (PPP) per capita
    as a quantitative measure /2016 data/:

    China $15,400
    S. Korea $37,700
    Japan $41, 300
    Russia $26,500

    China is at the very bottom. Compared to Japan
    China is a very unimpressive country.

    How about Africa?

    Algeria $15,000
    Botswana $17,000
    Gabon $19,000

    Finally,

    the United States $57,400

    So 4000 years of history, and all that China
    has to show for it is GDP per capita comparable
    to a number of African countries. The Chinese
    need to go to Japan and learn from the masters

  71. @Anon 2

    Chinese countries outside of China have higher GDP per capita then Japan. Singapore, Taiwan and Hong kong. Japanese both racially and culturally trace their roots back to the mainland throught the yayoi migration. Japanese should not be seen as separate from north east Asia.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  72. Discard says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    “Ambition and education” or “very willing to prey on the Goyim/ForeignDevils who they live among”? Is there something wrong wth being content to live peacefully with your neighbors, do productive labor, and raise your children to be good citizens and good parents?

  73. @Fidelios Automata

    My Asian instructor in economics didnt know what the word tautology meant and most of the Jewish instructors I have come across made tearing down the western civ part of the curriculum. I dont think the Asians or the Jews are as clever as we make them out to be. The country has gotten worse the less influential WASPS have become.

  74. First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that!

    Listeners who made this point were referring of course to the Ashkenazi Jews who poured into the U.S.A. 1880-1920.
    ———————————————-
    Before Vietnam the universities were largely funded by the private sector. Before ww2 very few went to universities relative to the population. Before ww1 professional licensure didnt exist and anyone could enter any profession without formal schooling. The universities existed to uphold tradition and train preachers 125 years ago. They didnt want Jews in the Ivies because they were founded to preach the good word. Different times.

  75. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anonymous

    We already have a genius loophole. Special visas are available to individuals who claim to be at the top of their field as artists, scientists, etc.

    Of course, the system is blatantly abused with the connivance of immigration officials by countless individuals of rather modest gifts claiming to be world-renowned top stars.

  76. TWS says:
    @Yee

    Because Joe average doesn’t need our want you here? Because it’s not your country? Because my ancestors arrived with the mammoth? Take your pick. Then go home.

    • Replies: @Myron Gaines
  77. Art Deco says:
    @Ron Unz

    You’ve been emotionally over-invested in your thesis.

    • Troll: Ron Unz
  78. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you’d prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    Important things to consider:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#2016_data

    The richest three provinces (total pop. 60 million) in China have a gdp (ppp) per capita of $33.6k, not far behind South Korea’s $37.7k. The top seven provinces (total pop. 350 million) have a gdp per capita of $25.5k. There is also a large gap between the rural areas and the more developed urban areas. Not to mention, there are many other factors to consider than just gdp.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  79. Client 9 says: • Website

    “Time to stop importing an immigrant overclass” yea Derb.. And time to stop spawning them as well.

    • Replies: @ANON
    , @MEH 0910
    , @Truth
  80. Yee says:

    @TWS,

    “Because Joe average doesn’t need our want you here? Because it’s not your country? Because my ancestors arrived with the mammoth? Take your pick. Then go home.”

    Too bad Joe Average don’t get to make policy, the money class do. They want more profits, so immigrants to enlarge the consumer market and over supply the labor market.

    It’s not your country either, no matter when your ancestors went there, it’s money’s country.

    As for myself, I’m mainland Chinese live in mainland China, no intention to go anywhere except for tours.

  81. Hail says: • Website

    Given the “tail effect” you get in statistical distributions with different means, though, it perhaps reflects the reality of higher mean Ashkenazi intelligence.

    The data you present, from Ron Unz’s research, says that White-Gentiles and Jews are at 1:1 parity in the Ivy League today. Can the “(right) tail effect” explain this?
    _________________________________________
    Scenario 1 (‘High-Bound Jewish Population/IQ’)
    Given:
    - 192 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 8 million ethnic Ashlenazi Jews with average IQ=115

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.63 million non-Jewish Whites
    2.97 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 6-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.90 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.73 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 2.6-to-1.

    Scenario 2 (‘Low-Bound Jewish Population/IQ’)
    Given:
    - 194 million non-Jewish Whites with avg. IQ=100
    - 6 million ethnic Ashkenazi Jews with average IQ=110

    IQ 120+ (Top 8%)
    17.81 million non-Jewish Whites
    1.51 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is 12-to-1.

    IQ 135+ (Top 1%)
    1.92 million non-Jewish Whites
    0.29 million Jews
    WhiteGentile:Jewish Ratio at this IQ ‘tail’ is: 6.7-to-1.
    _________________________________________

    Just sticking with IQ 135+, a truly cognitive elite set, the top 1% or so (don’t tell me the Ivy League draws from a pool even narrower than 135+), we do see that the “tail effect” doesn’t explain this.

    Even using the most favorable numbers for Jews — assuming a high-end Jewish population (8mln) and high-end IQ=115 figure — there should be up to three White-Christians for every Jew in the Ivy League. Using the lower figures — IQ=110 and 6mln — there should be six or seven White-Gentiles for every Jew.

    • Replies: @utu
  82. patsy says:

    All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!

    • Replies: @Grandpa Charlie
  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Ashkenazi immigrants of the Great Wave, however, had a mean IQ significantly higher than the WASP elites who ran those universities

    Both the “mean IQ significantly higher” and “WASP elites” links lead to Vdare pages which show no IQ measurements of any kind. I think I’ll skip reading the rest of the article since the author is deceptively linking his claims to… nothing. This kind of deception wouldn’t pass muster even on Reddit.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @utu
  84. Clyde says:

    Food for thought, a mixed egg fu yung.

  85. Biff says:

    Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.
    Nobel Prize-level geniuses.
    Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    A few hundred other special cases per annum — a statutory maximum of one thousand, say — considered individually.
    Nobody else at all.

    Should intelligent, skilled whites be allowed to leave, skewing the numbers towards other enthnic people?

  86. m___ says:

    Migration to the US limits itself to being immigration. That is one-way in, no one wants out. A terrible proposition.

    Population, toxicity, climate change, derivatives of any sort, the negatives higher then the benefits, exponentially so, have, if having one at all, only planetary solutions. The instigators, the cognitive able to even comprehend the mere problems, let alone being building blocks to a solution are these “Nobel Prize” level cognitive lucky. They will have a hard time to breeding the concept US to dominance and supremacy other then quantitative and short-term. Count on it that they might not even want to go down that road.

    They and they alone though, given enough context, can play as building blocks to intermediate and long term solutions. It is not the white middle class legal councillor, the precinct justice, the mean attributed individual to Congress, the intelligence agencies, Harvard, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and sorry to say, the out of the limelight “real power” monger who transgresses any field over bridges of make believe.

    If big data could be made useful for once for something of relevance, it would be mapping the globe into credit, resources, dynamically positive tendencies, and derivatives to the negative of counting value of any source. To map a block-chain against it, and so getting to a means of exchange, that would allow to interchange, including humans, and build global ideas, systematics to a sustainable future.

    One can contain the masses, exploit the masses, sadly since dozens of years it is obviously visible that this proposes the equivalent of exploiting the rest of nature into a make believe bubble. The realm of the average individual is about as large as the distance from his index to a glass square the size of a phone. Behind that glass encasing are only, minute doses of melatonin while the room fills with Co2. Humanity has reached the “best” of what can be begotten out of consuming, the rest is World War One trenching.

    To the point, immigration control as proposed by the author, yes, but also no, the timeliness of the measures might come up as too slow, and the problem of proportionate masses to elites, will by the numbers suffocate any form of superior intelligence anyway. Hence the de facto elites, of not only the US, but China, Russia Saudi Arabia, the EU, and on, building on any kind of quantitative theory to contain the global masses and enrich (for what it means in the short-term), the self attributed elites will continue wreaking havoc on their own ultimately.

    To map visually, in graphs and images, as we like to feed the masses so much, the cognitive abilities of our elites, the level of “meritocracy” of the ones in power, would be the equivalent of the emperor has no clothes.

    Back to the article, underlying it all to the author is the concept of a territorial USA, that in itself is an antiquated concept, his proposition to solutioning is the equivalent of “management”, not conceptual thinking. Sadly the glory of “management sciences” is probably too low on the scale for long term propositions.

  87. Biff says:

    For most Americans, what the media does not report simply does not exist,

    Truer words have never been spoken.

  88. G Pinfold says:

    So if you had to choose one country to reside in, you’d prefer Algeria, Botswana, or Gabon, over China?

    This kind of looks like a rhetorical question. But on the slim chance that it’s not, I’m going to choose Botswana. (But then I’m not a thirty-something on the make. The hustle and bustle of Shanghai is wasted on me.)

    • Replies: @Truth
  89. @Yan Shen

    This surely has some truth in it. It seems likely that the average Indian IQ is much depressed by a caste system which confined large numbers of people to the most menial and cognitively undemanding of tasks for a thousand years or so. Correspondingly, at least some of the higher castes would have been bred for higher IQ – just as the dumb Jew didn’t get to marry the rabbi’s beautiful young daughter the smart Brahmin or upper commercial caste young man would probably out breed the dimmer.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  90. @TWS

    By the time you reach 200 million what will be your peoportion of whites?

    • Replies: @TWS
  91. @Yan Shen

    Yes a lot more needs to be known about African intelligence and IQ scores than Lynn or Phil Rushton have ever privided.

    As to the not-so-Gaussian fat tales I guess that it results from pathology on the left hand end and assortative mating whichmeans that those at the right end don’t really belong to the same population with random intermarriage that the Gaussian formula presumes.

  92. @Bach

    Well one might say that Mao left too much of his thinking to Marx and Lenin but its hardly possible to deny him serious leadership qualities and the same is true of his successors as well.

  93. HunAnon says:

    I don’t agree that Jews are white. They may look white, but many of them don’t identify as whites. Many Israelis, for example don’t even look European, rather Middle Eastern. A lot of them would pass as Arab or Iranian.
    I also don’t agree with the “Nobody else at all” line. The US should allow white Europeans to immigrate, why should it close the door for Eastern Europeans for example? Just repeal the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and go back to the policies before that.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most Jews will gladly pretend to be white when they call for destruction of “white patriarchy” on Twitter. People have gathered hundreds of examples of this:

    Be warned.

  95. HI John I found this still taking up reply space on this thread when I sought to reply to your artivlcle or someone else here and it occurs to me you mightn’t see it as a Comment on a 22nd August article, So here it is again with addition:

    I arrived at this via a link to one of your later pieces and I haven’t done the homework of reading Chapter 11 of We Are Doomed but want to suggest to you that Japan’s advance on the rest of us in handling old age and declining population is not comparable to the advantage England got from leadimg the world into the Industrial Revolution. Part of the analogy which is correct is that others will learn from the first mover and maybe the greatest long term beneficiaries. (One might argue that the Germans – and maybe the Japanese – almost made it. All plus and going well while the first welfare state was showing the way to one necessary adaptation to industrial society, but without any slowdown in fertility or getting rid of the Kaiser and Prussian militarists they were doomed). My prediction is that Japan won’t have to worry about invasion so that is going to allow smooth passage into the demographically different future but the great beneficiaries will be countries which are a generation and more behind in their demographics who can learn from Japan’s experience at a rate compatible with the feckless, cowardly vote buying of countries like Australia who are lucky now in the unironic sense of Donald Horne’s book title “The Lucky Country” (first edn.1964).

    Addition… At my recent notable decadal birthday party at which there were a number of my youngest blood relations present I offered for those who were likely to be the only persons present who would be alive in X decades time something to remember their crazy relation by. Noting that H.G. Wells had wriiten of the atom bomb in 1912 I said that impatient mankind would not be waiting a million years or so when the sun may be a threatening red dwarf, but would in their lifetimes seek to populate a life friendly exoplanet with a human species ready to absorb all the best of human culture. I say “a human species” because I felt compelled to warn the older people present against making a crogenic gift to the program unless they were content that a lot of their DNA would be reengineered or discarded as trash. Accept that as my gift to one who could take over the mantle of the lamented Jerry P. How about “I Saw Berhard Riemann in a Dream – and He Was Trying to Get His DNA on to My Spacecraft”. Ah. I see that I failed to repeat my further advice to the young that if the speed of light remained limiting a journey to an exoplanet could only be by thousands of capsules of DNA supervised by AI which would choose the planet (s), germinate the hominids and any other inhabitants of Noah’s Ark and then bring them up educated in their human history and culture. (What scope for intelligent comedy! How about the brainstorming think tankers who were deciding what would go into the umpteen terabytes of human knowledge to be downloaded?)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    Id like to add that not all Indian immigrants are upper caste. People from Gujarat are among the most numerous- they are the ones with surnames like Patel and Shah. They’re mostly from an erstwhile peasant caste. And yet their children are filling up medical and engineering schools in the USA. Goes to show you can’t really predict what Indian castes are capable of.

  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    Indian Tamils in Singapore, and the Punjabi peasantry in Britain, are drawn from the lower end of the caste spectrum.

    They do much better than Indians in India, but not as well as their white and Chinese neighbors. But definitely better than the Black and Malay populations in those countries.

    That would be the floor of the Indian Hindu/Sikh iq distribution, after correcting malnutrition, poverty etc.

    Upper caste Indians, as shown by their success in silicon valley, can do nearly as well as Jews. If they looked as white as Jews did, they might even do better.

  98. @Wizard of Oz

    JD – a further contribution to the story line….

    In 500 or 1000 years the hominoid exoplaneteers would inevitably send signals out to any surviving cousins there might be on Earth or elsewhere. Supposing the signal arrives on Earth after a mere 50 years what do Earthlings do? Fortunately AI has been very good at ensuring the ETs’ communications are well designed to be reliably received for what they are, and understood. That doesn’t prevent a scandal on Earth about the alleged failure of the traditional custodians of the mysteries of the 2080 Noah’s Ark to play their assigned part. However the bigger question is what to say in reply to cousins 50 years away who have followed the program weĺl enough to communicate that the average life expectancy of the species is now 300 years. As it is now 200 years on Earth there is no problem in finding people willing to correspond with people who will be able to receive and reply to at least one response from Earth but…can we learn the secret of their 300 years so we can look forward to a good old gossip?

  99. @Anonymous

    If he made a copy editing slip, not having the research and clerical backup of a Steven Pinker, it may well have been because he assumed most of his readers would regard verifying that sort of information as a bit of a yawn, as you are suggesting he did.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. AaronB says:

    So let me get this straight. There are already far more high IQ whites in this country than Asians, and whites should be easily dominating. But they’re not because whites are stuck in a malaise and can’t be bothered to do the hard work.

    But somehow, whites will muster the will power to keep Asians out, even though they can’t be bothered to seriously compete with Asians and Jews to begin with.

    Yeah, I don’t see it happening, Derb.

    We call this treating the symptom and not the disease – if whites could be bothered to keep Asians out, if whites seriously wanted to hold on to power, if they had that kind of motivation to begin with, Asians would hardly be a serious threat.

    In other words, the motivation to keep Asians out is the same motivation that would make whites work hard and make it unecesary to keep Asians out – a desire to hold onto power.

    And if it’s lacking, then it’s lacking.

    The changes in white mentality needed before whites will seriously begin entertaining the possibility of keeping Asians out would also make whites motivated to work hard, perform, and accomplish again.

    Unless we focus on that, Derb, you’re just treating the symptom not the disease, and that just doesn’t work in the long run.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  101. Kingfelix says:

    “Jews are white, Asians are not”

    Jews were not considered white until 1945 in the US. They presently enjoy the benefits of ‘whiteness’, something many unz.com readers would like revised/revoked.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  102. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Client 9

    Is that Derb when he was still a young spunk? Not hard to see how he got to import an IQ booster into his Anglo-American bloodline. I like that insouciant JFK like casual suavity with which the Jacket is worn. Bring them down under.

  103. “The Jewish portion…remained static until World War II.”
    I thought you were going to say something like,”The number of Jewish students declined significantly because of the huge numbers of jews who were killed in combat…” Guess not.

  104. botazefa says:
    @Americano

    “According to Harvard, a Hispanic girl named Sabrina Gonzalez”

    Her name is Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski. Why omit her actual surname in your comment body?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  105. Third main point – what to do about mixed-race Asians, of which there are more and more? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too? Or what about if we just classify them as white? Would that be cool with Derb? Sooner or later, this is a topic that Derb and other WNs (who seem as a group to be more likely to have mixed-race Asian kids than the population at large) will have to address.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Hail
  106. @Wizard of Oz

    The rabbi’s daughter wasn’t so beautiful!

  107. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a fact: Mr. Derbyshire[s, opinion on who he would bring in to the country is irrelevant compared to the last 200 years of immigrants. His opinion and my/your agreement or disagreement changes nothing,
    It’s like anarcho-libertarian advice about the non-aggression principle, or even economics in an anarcho-capitalist society. The fact is this country the USA, and it’s government, was never an anarcho-libertarian, capitalist society, but started as a Constitutional Republic. Giving advice about what you would like according to principles of an entirely different government social setting is chaos. We are also no closer to the goal of anarcho-libertarian thought but rather democratic/socialist/communist/fascist. For people who don’t vote they sure are into politics with religious talking heads supporting wars over voting. Waring for the right to vote for your over-lords but hey there may be a little welfare thrown in there for you too. Is this really worthy of killing over, voting?
    I don’t even vote and I can.
    Is the quality of the education at these learning centers that great that we are truly churning out geniuses?

  108. Moi says:
    @anonymous

    I noticed that too. I guess the writer likes folks who betray their own in favor of an outsider.

    • Replies: @Singh
  109. MEH 0910 says:
    @Client 9

    I like Derb and his family. I get a kick out of how his daughter has a smiley expression like her mother, and his son has often has a dispassionate countenance like his father.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Client 9
  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    a copy editing slip

    That’s not a copy editing slip – that’s dishonest bluffing. He’s deliberately using fake confirmation links to bolster his case. I’ve only seen this method used by cheap, disposable shills on Reddit up until now. If I were in charge of UR, I’d remove him for blatant shillery. A Free Speech platform (and Free Speech principle) shouldn’t protect deliberate deception.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Wizard of Oz
  111. Art Deco says:
    @Kingfelix

    Jews have always been considered white. What happened after 1945 is that what was called the ‘five o’clock shadow’ gradually dissipated and Jews were able to buy property and rent accomodations in loci were people would have been reluctant to do business with them, land positions from which they’d have been categorically excluded before, and join clubs from which they’d been categorically excluded as well. It didn’t matter much to the larger society, but it did change the composition of the social circles of individual Jews and it changed the landscape of the legal profession. See the career of Mario Cuomo; some of the hiring practices in the legal profession prior to 1970 had an impact on ethnics generally.

    • Replies: @Kingfelix
  112. Art Deco says:
    @MEH 0910

    The mother isn’t actually smiling and the son looks like he’s about to punch someone. (I hope he doesn’t regret leaving the Army in future years).

  113. Art Deco says:
    @botazefa

    Is her surname really ‘Paterski’ or is that a Spanish matronymic? (NB, in some Latin American countries (e.g. Chile) there’s a considerable population with non-Hispanic European ancestry).

    • Replies: @botazefa
  114. Che Guava says:
    @Bill Jones

    Yeah,

    It is interesting how the Derb refuses to recognise the tribal games they play. I have a very similar work background to the Derb, except for Eurasian and younger. Three SD’s above the average for Ashkenazi. It was getting me nowhere in my time in western countries, so leaving.

    … but my one close Jewish friend in those times was Sephardi, looking like a hairier Arab.

    Nice person, and expert on film, always good company. Would guessing he also had high IQ relative to Ashkenazi mean.

    The invasion of US institutions, they favour their own, so they have inordinate power, which they are using to screw the place up, or just to screw it

  115. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    His specific claim was to compare WASP elites to Jews, not whites in general to Jews.

    So sloppy thinking and dishonesty sll around – what is the motivation behind it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @renfro
  116. AaronB says:

    The level of mendacity, tendentious arguments, sloppy thinking, refusal to acknowledge inconvenient facts has grown exponentially in the past ten years since I’ve seen discussions of IQ.

    It used to be possible to have a fairly reasonable argument, but it’s just a joke these days.

    I guess that’s the way of everything, though. Decay, decay, decay.

  117. Truth says:
    @Client 9

    Hey that’s a pretty damn good pic, Derb. You look almost, sorta…virile.

  118. @Anonymous

    Well I haven’t followed up but I expect someone (maybe Ron Unz) will give you a proper reply because I know John Derbyshire and know you have got him wrong.

  119. Truth says:
    @G Pinfold

    I hear Botswana is a real nice place.

  120. Joe Wong says:
    @Yan Shen

    The Indian maintains their caste system for a reason despite they are the largest democracy in the world, it is an Indian upper castes’ builtin fail safe mechanism to make sure that “regression to the mean” does not adversely affect their offspring. Perhaps the slow pace of modernization, the stagnation of social and equality development, the anxiety to be recognized by their ex-colonial master, etc. in India are some of the end products of that builtin fail safe system.

  121. botazefa says:
    @Art Deco

    Looks to be her surname (from her dad, Mark Pasterski) to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Gonzalez_Pasterski

    Wiki even has her photo. You can judge for yourself how amerind she appears.

  122. Truth says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Third main point – what to do about mixed-race Asians? Do we impose quotas at universities for them too?

    LOL, I think the Derb will be voting “Nay” on that one.

  123. Kingfelix says:
    @Art Deco

    You disagree with my statement re Jews not always being white, then cite copious examples of them being excluded because they were non-whites. Erm.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  124. The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same.

    Okay, let’s get out a ruler and measure the size of the circles for two sample schools, Harvard and Caltech. The diameters of the four circles for Harvard are 10.3, 9.8, 8.0, 12.6 mm, and for Caltech they are 14.0, 15.5, 3.2, 5.8 mm. So the total area of the four circles is 333.54 mm^2 for Harvard and 376.90 mm^2 for Caltech. This is not the same total area. What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  125. Iberiano [AKA "Scotty"] says:
    @Americano

    As a “white Hispanic” myself, I would argue that the base problem is the elephant in the room, of which your example is a perfect example. Sabrina Gonzalez is WHITE. Nevermind one of her parents (father) is white (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski), the fact is, like light skinned blacks who go around saying “ya, but both my parents are black!?!?” (when they are both super light skinned), we continue to pretend that the term “Hispanic” or “Latino” means something BEYOND what our own eyes tell us. The most intelligent Hispanics are the MOST IBERIAN, and often have other mixtures such as Italian, Jew, Portuguese, etc (with all that can be mixed with), or in some cases, in Latin America, EVEN GERMAN.

    Someone simply arriving on our shores and being tagged “Latino” demonstrates nothing (a term which was solely created to catagorize for affirmative action purposes–no matter how much Latino/Hispanics complain “that’s a term that was put on us!”)

    While other Hispanics like to play games with the concept “OMG we are not a race, we are so much more than that, and we can be of any color” my fellow Hispanics are PERFECTLY comfortable acting like “People of Color” when it suits them–or even, ironically, referring to all white people as Anglo, when most Americans have significant German and/or Celtic blood, not to mention the millions of others who are Slavic, Italic or some variant of white Arab/Persian.

    Sabrina Gonzalez Pastersk is a white Cuban, so let’s not pretend she is some dark, mestizo coming from some indigenous background (I’d wager she is nearly 100 percent European descent).

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  126. Cuck Dad of the Year

    “You wanna hump my daughter? Great!! Here’s a free car to go along with it.”

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.

    So, cucked whites import Asians to serve as overunderclass and import black seed to colonize white wombs into producing more Colin Kaepernicks and Obamas of the World.

    Asians may win in IQ game, but whites will really lose in the Insemination game to blacks. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the real decisive factor, esp as BBC is now retro-blackening British history. And European TV run pro-ACOWW ads all over the place.
    As for the US, blacks are worshiped as a demigod race.

    And of course, the Tribe is laughing at cuck white stupidity.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Rdm
    , @Anonymous
  127. Art Deco says:
    @Kingfelix

    excluded because they were non-whites. E

    That’s not why people weren’t socializing with them. This isn’t that difficult.

  128. [If you keep changing your Handle, all your future comments will be trashed. Given random rantings and lack of good grammar and punctuation, that would certainly be no loss.]

    All that is well and good keeping out asians latins and africans ,but the million dollar question is how are you gonna get better genes to give you are better quality of life especcially chinese genes to replace your suspect genes.

  129. For me this matter is simple,

    we need not a single more foreigner period until will take care of our own. We need neither rich or poor, bright or unbright, connected or unconnected to be imported to meet the needs of the US.

    For all foreigners come with one thing in mind. That is to better their lot at the expense of the citizens we have and that is unacceptable. I give not penny worth of value to the whining of Miss Coulter or Pres Trump about the best and the brightest. American first means US citizens first regardless of rank, income, personhood, education color or class –

    No US citizen comes second to the demands of any foreigner from any location or social set or supposed economic value.

    And no scripture supports undermining the sovereignty of the US or other states that in no way hinder the transportation of christ’s teachings. And the mexican gambit by christains law and order crowd to undermine the laws of US sovereignty is hypocrisy at its most twisted in the name of Christ, comparable to the mark of cain being dark skin –

    Asians, europeans, latinos, africans, middle easterners — need not apply. And I would not argue that Pres Trump has turned out to be far less courageous than his prognostications, embarrassingly just the opposite.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. @Priss Factor

    Yellows(beautiful yellow skin is age resistant and cancer resistant) dont serve people with smaller brains (specifically the small brain british) than themselves in other words no other race

  131. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    Still using the word wigger when it means the exact opposite of what you think it means.

  132. Hail says: • Website
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If the mixed-race applicant has a non-Asian geneeirc first and last name, How do they even know the person is Asian?

  133. @Yan Shen

    Most, no all indians i have met are better at business and have a lot more common sense than chinese people in the US, meaning the rude idiotic cantonese with their shit accent.

  134. @Yan Shen

    That mainland chinese nerd is a fool, idiot does not realise those kids protesting are on his side hope he realises this sooner than later.

    • Replies: @Anon
  135. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    Still using the word wigger when you have no idea of what it means.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  136. Alden says:
    @Brabantian

    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees. Brown vs Topeka, the school desegregation lawsuit was funded and staffed by Jewish money and Jewish attorneys. But the court that ruled in favor of the Jews was majority WASP led by the ultimate WASP, Earl Warren.

    The foremost enemy of WASPS is our own elites. Who started importing Europeans to staff the factories, steel mills and mines beginning around 1830? WASP elites. Who stopped hiring Americans for those jobs starting around 1830? WASP elites.

    Why did the Americans of the east coast head west after 1830? Because we couldn’t get jobs because our own elites sent recruiters to the poorest areas of Europe.

    Our own people did it.

  137. Ron Unz says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    The diagram titled “Elite Undergraduate Enrollments, 2007-2011″ is not explained. Does the area of a circle represent the proportion of that group among the total enrollment at a school? If this hypothesis is true, then the total area of the four circles for each school should be the same….What accounts for the discrepancy? A false hypothesis? Measurement error? Pixel roundoff error? Calculation error?

    I’ll admit I never considered this question. I simply provided my quantitative data to a professional graphic artist, and assumed he used his software package properly since the results seemed reasonable by very casual inspection, presumably based on area.

    But doesn’t your supposed discrepancy ignore the fraction of black or Hispanic students at the various schools, which is obviously far larger at Harvard or the Ivies than at strictly meritocratic Caltech?

    However, unlike that silly “Art Deco” troll, your question seems absolutely sincere and appropriate.

    Anyway, the numbers themselves are the key data, and here’s a link to their sources:

    http://www.unz.com/supplement/meritocracy-appendices/#4

  138. Factorize says:

    The at most 15 point IQ that defines the average advantage of high IQ groups is entirely insignificant when considered in the context of optimized human intelligence. It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    Given this truth, why is the conversation being so strongly shaped by small inconsequential differences? Current genetic engineering technologies make differences of 1 or 2 SD largely devoid of relevance. When will commentary on group IQ differences acknowledge the present ability of genetic enhancement to increase IQ?

    It should be fairly clear to all that the time scale for a non-native intellectual elite dominating the socio-political landscapes of other nations (including America’s) is very limited. Current technology easily allows for the selection of embryos with a 1 SD increase in intelligence. This would negate any advantage by high IQ groups.

    In order to honestly address this emerging social transformation certain policies could be reasonably be considered. For example, the notion of equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome principle could be rethought. If genetics can equalize outcomes, then perhaps a more forcefully applied affirmation action should now be contemplated. This would avoid the possibility that some groups might attempt to delay the development of genetic technology. If minority groups were now guaranteed proportional access to medical schools, then delaying genetic engineering would only result in minority doctors serving the community without the highest level of competence. We wold all lose from such an outcome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @edgeslider
  139. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    until will take care of our own

    Exactly. Democracy only works if citizens can push their own representatives to represent their own interests. Anything else is treason.

  140. Ron Unz says:
    @AaronB

    Granted, the Jewish mean was higher than the white mean – but the WASP elite who ran the universities also had a much higher mean IQ than the white mean.

    Actually, one of the lesser know historical facts is that the tested IQ of American Jews during that era was certainly *not* any higher than that of the mainstream white average, and very likely somewhat below that of the “WASP elite.”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    The huge influx of Jews into Harvard and the Ivies was primarily because they eagerly *applied* to those elite institutions (located close to their main populations), while the vast majority of American whites (spread out across the entire country) did not. Remember, the “elite WASP” population—obviously a highly imprecise term—that traditionally attended those schools was tiny in numbers, probably not all that much larger than the Jewish population.

    My own guess is that if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    Remember, prior to WWII relatively few white Americans considered college, let alone the Ivies.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Jeff77450
    , @Hail
  141. utu says:
    @Hail

    IQ does not explain ethnic activism and ethnic nepotism. But these subjects are the real taboo. That’s why sites like “La Griffe du Lion” are pushing fat tail theory to explain Jewish overrepresentation. In other words Jews are smarter and thus can’t be blamed for it.

    • Replies: @Hail
  142. @Alden

    The term “elites” gets tossed around like confetti or something as easy to throw but less latently toxic, and it rarely needs to carry much weight. Yet I find it difficult to understand it being applied to such hard scrabble political operators as Johnson and Nixon. Can you or some other American (majority shareholders in the English language while Indians still have only nonvoting shares) please explain or suggest proper usage.

  143. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor

    More kikemason BS. I watched exactly 6 seconds. The “chick” has an obvious Adam’s apple. Transgender actor and a Prince-Hall kid doing a pre-prepared skit to ensnare stupid people.

    Consider yourself stupid.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @anon
  144. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks, Ron. Yes, I vaguely remember reading that Jewish IQs were not even significantly higher than whites during that era in your excellent articles on the subject of meritocracy.

    An astonishing fact that you would think any reasonably honest person would try and account for when formulating his opinions on the subject of Jewish ovetepresrntation in the Ivies.

    But no such luck.

    That is a very interesting point, that the Ivies only drew from a narrow band of whites, and things would look very different had they drawn from the whole countrty.

    This strikes me as very likely correct, and is yet another fissure in the theory that our current arrangement is a pure meritocracy.

    Sadly, there seems little chance that advocates of the meritocracy theory will reconsider their position in light of these inconvenient facts, or really, any amount of data – they aren’t exactly disinterested parties, and their emotional biases render them incapable of objectivity on this subject.

    You are one of the few who seem prepared to bring an impartial honesty to your assessment of cold hard data, and I’ve learned a lot from your articles on the subject, Ron.

  145. @HunAnon

    The policies in place before 1965 greatly limited the number of Eastern Europeans while allowing unlimited immigration from Latin America and the Caribbean. I don’t think you want that.

  146. Jeff77450 says:

    John, I usually don’t find your articles depressing but this one is. Without (non-Jewish) white people there wouldn’t be anything remotely resembling the United States of America here today. Literally every single country south of the U.S. border is proof of that. The overwhelming majority of the fighting & dying in our many wars, virtually all, has been by white people.

    My g3-grandfather, James Corner, served in the Texas army during the Texas Revolution. My great-grandfather, John Thomas York, lost an arm in the Civil War (and went on to father 17 or 18 children with two wives). My dad, R.I.P., served in WWII and I served in ODS.

    How & why are we being dispossessed of our own nation?? And yes, it is disproportionately ours.

    I don’t blame the Asians & Jews one bit for working hard and achieving as much as possible. I applaud them. This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious. But I’m also angry at the undercurrent of the Leftist agenda which is that the straight white Christian male *must* *not* *win*.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  147. renfro says:

    The measurement of intelligence may be changing. Faster processing ( faster thinking) of information may mean more than simple quantity of information.

    ”The main point is that to make the most compelling argument that intelligence increases after an intervention, a ratio scale of intelligence is required. None yet exists and meaningful progress may require a new way of defining intelligence based on measureable brain or information
    processing variables. For example, gray and white matter density in specific brain regions assessed by imaging and expressed as a profile of standard scores based on a normative group might substitute for intelligence test scores work by Engle and colleagues suggests that working memory capacity and perceptual speed are possible ways to assess fluid intelligence (Broadway and Engle, based on a large body of research that shows faster mental processing speed and increased memory capacity are related to higher intelligence.

    Jensen has written extensively about an evolution from psychometrics to mental the use of response time in milliseconds to measure information processing in a standard way argued that the construct of intelligence could be replaced in favor of ratio scale measures of speed of information processing assessed during standardized cognitive tasks like the Hick paradigm.

    Such measures, for example, would help advance research about the underlying
    neurophysiology of mental speed and might lead to a more advanced definition of
    intelligence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479188/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3950413/

  148. Hail says: • Website
    @utu

    Is there any scientific explanation for the purported non-normal distribution, or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation?

    • Replies: @utu
  149. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    Not only that, but notice how he conflated WASP “elite” IQ with general white IQ, when they are two very different entities.

    When exactly did they measure the IQs of WASP “elites”?

    Read what he wrote.

    ”Taken in combination, these trends all provide powerful evidence that over the last decade or more there has been a dramatic collapse in Jewish academic achievement, at least at the high end.
    Several possible explanations for this empirical result seem reasonably plausible. Although the innate potential of a group is unlikely to drop so suddenly, achievement is a function of both ability and effort, and today’s overwhelmingly affluent Jewish students may be far less diligent in their work habits or driven in their studies than were their parents or grandparents, who lived much closer to the bracing challenges of the immigrant experience. In support of this hypothesis, roughly half of the Jewish Math Olympiad winners from the last two decades have had the sort of highly distinctive names which would tend to mark them as recent immigrants from the Soviet Union or elsewhere, and such names were also very common among the top Jewish science students of the same period, even though this group represents only about 10 percent of current American Jews. Indeed, it seems quite possible that this large sudden influx of very high performing immigrant Jews from the late 1980s onward served to partially mask the rapid concurrent decline of high academic achievement among native American Jews, which otherwise would have become much more clearly evident a decade or so earlier.
    This pattern of third or fourth generation American students lacking the academic drive or intensity of their forefathers is hardly surprising, nor unique to Jews. Consider the case of Japanese-Americans, who mostly arrived in America during roughly the same era. America’s Japanese have always been a high-performing group, with a strong academic tradition, and Japan’s international PISA academic scores are today among the highest in the world. But when we examine the list of California’s NMS semifinalists, less than 1 percent of the names are Japanese, roughly in line with their share of the California population.[62] Meanwhile, Chinese, Koreans, and South Asians are 6 percent of California but contribute 50 percent of the top scoring students, an eight-fold better result, with a major likely difference being that they are overwhelmingly of recent immigrant origin. In fact, although ongoing Japanese immigration has been trivial in size, a significant fraction of the top Japanese students have the unassimilated Japanese first names that would tend to indicate they are probably drawn from that tiny group.
    In some respects, perhaps it was the enormously outsize Jewish academic performance of the past which was highly anomalous, and the more recent partial convergence toward white European norms which is somewhat less surprising. Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,[64] but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.[65]

    In a previous article “Race, IQ & Wealth,” I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.[66] Given that Jews have always been America’s most heavily urbanized population and became the most affluent during the decades in question, these factors may account for a substantial portion of their huge IQ rise during most of the twentieth century. But with modern electronic technology recently narrowing the gaps in social environment and educational opportunities between America’s rural and urban worlds, we might expect a portion of this difference to gradually dissipate. American Jews are certainly a high-ability population, but the innate advantage they have over other high-ability white populations is probably far smaller than is widely believed
    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109.
    But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.
    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews

    • Replies: @AaronB
  150. Hail says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    if Ivy applications had been national and universal, and admissions strictly meritocratic, the Jewish enrollment would have been in the 3-4% range, rather than the 25-30% that so alarmed the Northeastern WASP elites.

    You are referring here to the 1910s and 1920s and what you say does seem plausible or potentially plausible. It seems far less so for today, the 2010s, when college application by the right half of the IQ bell curve is near universal.

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Ron Unz
  151. Art Deco says:
    @Iberiano

    (probably Jewish: Mark Floyd Pasterski),

    The name per Ancestry is concentrated in Wisconsin and Illinois, so more likely Slavic. The given names of people with the Pasterski surname in the 1940 Census have a much more Polish-Catholic vibe than a Jewish vibe (among them Sofia, Theresa, Constance, Earl, Louis, Peter, Benedict, Josephine, Clarence, Anna, Stella, Walter…).

    • Replies: @Iberiano
  152. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Factorize

    It is currently understood that maximal human IQ is roughly 1500 (100 SD). This means average white IQ is 0 SD, and average high IQ groups is at most 1.

    In most cases like this I’d ask for proof but in this case it’d likely result in a hypelink to a colourful picture of a magic mushroom so… nevermind.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Factorize
  153. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    It was WASP elites, i.e. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with the then White male judiciary that created and enforced the affirmative action laws which turned all White goyim into an untouchable, unemployable by judicial order caste headed for genocide.

    Johnson and Nixon held high political office. Neither one were in their upbringing members of the Establishment in the way Roosevelt or Adlai Stevenson or Henry Cabot Lodge or Robert Taft or Wm. Scranton were of the Establishment. And they weren’t anywhere near the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and Bushes. (BTW, the last portion of your remark is flat-out lunatic fringe nutcase crazy).

  154. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    Jews of course pushed for it, but it was WASPS and a few elite Catholics that made those laws and judicial decrees.

    The most assiduous critics of AA in the Democratic Party ca. 1980 were Ed Koch, Martin Peretz, Morris Abram, and John Bunzel. It was this issue that persuaded a number in that opinion journalists’ circle you’re all so preoccupied with to leave the Democratic Party.

  155. @Third world nationalist

    It’s the left that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it’s a “dog whistle.” Same as economics. Then it becomes about “preserving white privilege.”

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don’t want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university seats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become “disadvantaged” and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don’t give a shit. I’ll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  156. Vinteuil says:
    @Yan Shen

    “If tiny Japan was [sic] able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do? As the hallowing [sic] out of American hardware and manufacturing shows, it’s far more likely that the United States may very well be rendered a technical underclass on a global level a few decades down the line, than a few million Chinese Americans will run amok over this country.”

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we’ve imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    What if white Americans don’t want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

  157. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say.

    I was objecting to Derbyshires dishonest and tendentious – or at least sloppy and confused – statement.

    As for Ron’s quote – I can only say I had not realized how completely my position was just a restatement of Ron’s, and there is a good chance I subconsciously lifted it from him.

    Or perhaps it is simply that any unbiassed observer is bound to notice something doesn’t add up in our “meritocracy”, and motivation and drive are ridiculously obvious candidates for making up the discrepancy?

    • Replies: @renfro
  158. Iberiano [AKA "Scotty"] says:
    @Art Deco

    Art Deco: Fair enough, was a minor note to my primary point, which is that, that “Hispanic” young lady, is very obviously white. Her mother is likely a Spanish (only) Hispanic as well.

    Means nothing…I should know, I’m about as Aryan as they come, yet still technically “Hispanic”.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff77450

    This article makes me angry at all the (non-Jewish) white parents who are putting in the minimum effort to raise their children with the result that their children are very minimally ambitious.

    Bad parenting is a huge problem. Whites are selfish hedonists. They don’t care about the problems this causes for their children (if they even bother to have children).

  160. AaronB says:
    @Hail

    Some suggest it is ethnic nepotism – there is unofficial favoritism of those with Jewish names.

    In other words, the causes that led to the creation of a system are not necessarily those that perpetuate it.

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position, which would be quite in accord with observed human conduct down the centuries.

    Similar to the way certain Asian countries would implement a system of “unofficial” trade barriers that was all the more effective for being so elusive and amorphous, and depending on a shared unspoken consensus.

    It may also be that white motivation has experienced a steep decline since then, as we sunk ever deeper into our malaise.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Anonymous
  161. @patsy

    “All immigration should stop. Enough already! One is here only for a short time and this land is not ours to give away. Leave something for the kids!” — patsy

    Well said, patsy! You make better sense than all the IQers, Harvard snobs or CalTechies lumped together.

    Much of China’s success is due to its recognition of gross demographic realities, which are still denied by many — maybe most — Americans.

  162. utu says:
    @Hail

    or is this just “post facto” postulating to make the data fit the observation

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115? The estimate of SD is even worse. So it is just assumed to be 15.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  163. Vinteuil says:
    @Priss Factor

    The murderers of Daniel Shaver – Officer Philip Brailsford and Sergeant Charles Langley – should be pursued by The Kindly Ones until the day that they hang themselves.

    • Agree: utu, renfro
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @utu
  164. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Good catch! The narrative is being pushed by many little lies that go unchallenged.

  165. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous

    No, as I implied in my post I would prefer to
    reside in Japan rather than China. China is
    ruled by the Communist Party. That’s a deal breaker
    right there.

    Practically all countries have richer cities and poorer hinterlands.
    For example, Moscow (population 12 million) has a huge
    GDP per capita compared to the rest of the country.
    Anybody can play this game, citing city-states like Hong Kong
    or Singapore or richer provinces. It’s the averages that
    count. That’s why the West is so amazing. In the West
    even the hinterlands are well-to-do

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  166. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    I was also very surprised to realize who were and who were not babbling about the genetic architecture of human intelligence. After reviewing the below urls there should be no doubt which is which.

    Science fiction has simply not prepared us for the genetic intelligence reovolution that is already underway. It will only be when posters on this thread and others stop referring to 100 IQ to mean 100 IQ points and instead mean 100 SD IQ, will I know that the message has been received.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3421.pdf (especially starting at page 19). https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/08/11/175406.full.pdf (see page 19 and 20) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/09/18/190124.full.pdf (applied to height)

    • Replies: @botazefa
  167. @Factorize

    Yes, these technologies are the only thing that can lead us to an outcome other than the train wreak of tribal balkanization and collapse of the West at this point. The reaction can at best only buy time until such technologies makes these matters irrelevant

    • Replies: @Factorize
  168. Vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    “…the two quantifiable measures of assimilation are :

    i) Do they earn much more than the native population, and have a much higher educational level?

    ii) Is their crime rate lower than the native population?”

    May I suggest a couple of additional requirements?

    iii) Do they understand what the word “assimilation” means?

    iv) Do they really & provably want to “assimilate” to the native population, and not the other way around?

  169. Vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    “…lesser whites like Poles and Russians…”

    Yeah – Chopin? what’s the big deal? Dostoevsky? Eh – who has time?

  170. @Stripes Duncan

    It’s a fair point. You’d think that there would be a relatively diplomatic way for a politician to say “hey, we’re having some trouble providing employment, food, housing, healthcare and safety for all of the black, brown, yellow and oh yeah white people who are already here. Let’s stop irresponsibly increasing their numbers, and concentrate on improving their lives for a few years… and then we’ll reevaluate immigration.”

    Who could really object to that, except perhaps a selfishly opportunistic prospective immigrant with no regard for the welfare of the destination country?

    • Replies: @englishmike
  171. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    You do not know the “hinterlands” in the America very well, then. Much of “flyover” country in the West is comparable to the poverty of much of the interior of China and arguably has worse drug issues – I live close to those small towns, fwiw, and the trailer parks are arguably worse than the government project houses that China has been building. The conditions are tragic to put it lightly.

    Japan has different issues, but their rural regions are literally just dying off. Agriculture is dying, the younger population gravitate toward the cities for higher wages.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  172. @Yan Shen

    Yan Shen, Panda is very disappointed by this post of yours. The way you argued here is terminologically, hence logically, very messy by seeminglessly jumping back and forth amongst 3 concepts of “Asians”, “East Asians” , and “Chinese and Indians”( as if “Indians” is an obligatory term that must be attached whenever the word “Chinese” appears).

    On top of that, the absurdly stubborn way you stick to the claim of “high IQ Indian casts” with no apparent logical reason has made Panda already in awe…

    Panda thus wonders, Yan, do you have “high caste” Indian wife? or gf? or boss? or biz partner? who would castrate you if you speak a “wrong” word they are not used to, or something?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @lao gu
  173. Art Deco says:
    @AaronB

    Once Jews captured the system, by whatever means, they implemented an unofficial system to unfairly perpetuate their position,

    This isn’t any less imaginary now than it was 70 years ago.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  174. Vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    Everything seems to hang on the accuracy of the Hillel estimates of jewish representation at elite schools . But it’s been plausibly argued that their figures are exaggerated.

    It would be nice to see something conclusive, on this point.

  175. @Vinteuil

    Yes, you may also have a situation in the near future where 10x the number of brilliant Japanese mathematicians in China being able to do what a cheap AI in Africa (developed elsewhere of course) would be doing

  176. Factorize says:
    @edgeslider

    Thank you, edgeslider.

    I appreciate the fact that you have acknowledged that any reasonable room to debate the imminent arrival of a 100 SD IQ world is long over.

    Any reference to differences of a mere 5, 10, or 50 IQ points can only be understood now as a retreat from reality.

    Your suggestion that that a super high IQ world will help us to veer away from endless racial politics is also spot on. Importing highly talented people of various backgrounds has lead to severe social stress all across the modern world. Given the extreme demographic collapse now underway, such an influx of migrants could easily have been predicted, though nonetheless it has greatly eroded social cohesion in most Western nations.

    Disconnecting demographics and psychometrics has given us an extremely unstable world. Once 100 SD IQ individuals start to emerge in the heartlands, a more genuine form of democracy will finally emerge.

    If extreme intelligence can be made to order, the objectification of those with high intelligence can finally stop. People will be people once again and not income producing objects. It is not difficult to imagine that we are now quickly heading to a world in which a 100 SD IQ might confer no particular status. 100 SD IQ might be the new minimum.

  177. It’s the left [actually, the pseudo-Left of the Democratic Party] that makes immigration about race. They do so because if they allow the argument to be about economics and culture they lose it in about 45 seconds.

    The left makes EVERYTHING about race. The minute you make opposition to immigration about culture, it’s a “dog whistle.” Same as economics. Then it becomes about “preserving white privilege.”

    No, the answer is for whites to stop caring about the race angle themselves, as in becoming immune to the charges.

    Stripes Duncan

    “I demand a total moratorium on immigration because I don’t want my kids competing with those of foreigners for employment, university s eats, etc., because the moment they wash ashore here they become “disadvantaged” and move to the front of the line. Does that make me a racist? If so, I don’t give a shit. I’ll be that. Now explain to me why I should want this state of affairs for my children.” — Stripes Duncan

    Yes, a total moratorium … that’s the sane thing to do. Or, maybe, what Third world nationalist recommends at #29 –

    I think America should follow China’s system, don’t give citizenship no matter what, not even marriage. But allow foreigners to have residency permits for doing business, work,marriage etc.

    America First — Americanism — is incompatible with “multiculturalism”.

  178. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass”

    Wouldn’t that interfere with the NWO one-world, one “culture” for the peons, masters&managers/slaves&robots plan?

    Will the usual suspect stand for that?

  179. AaronB says:
    @Art Deco

    Oh, it’s certainly a highly plausible theory, as it’s merely in accord with how all self-interested elites behaved down the centuries, but I myself think it’s a less significant factor than the observable collapse in motivation among whites.

    The one incontestable fact is that the current ethnic distribution is not the result of a “meritocracy”.

    Using this basic truth as a starting point, all possible explanations should be explored.

  180. @Yan Shen

    India is highly racially heterogeneous with a minority of high IQ upper castes,…

    Hahahaha!

    Who exactly are these “high IQ upper castes”, Yan Shen?

    Any proven biological/physical characters that differentiate among these castes themselves? and them from other castes, and other races? Or “self-identification” only?

    Avg IQ how high for each of them? C’mon, at least give some rounded-up numbers?

    And what did you mean by “high IQ upper castes”? 80 is high? or 86? or 95 is high? 100? or 120?, 140? 200? … at least choose one if you are making a specific statement on high IQ .

    errr… any academic quotations on these respective “high IQs ” of each of these “upper castes”?

    or any plain vanilla common sense logic to deduce those numbers without too much of wild assumptions?

    or any specific IQ tests on each of these castes? sources?

    or any specific quasi-IQ tests? (e.g.PISA? TIMASS?)

    None. Zero. Zilch. Nada!

    errr… “a minority of high IQ upper castes” as if god-given. LMAO. Love that humour!

    —–

    BTW, are there these kinds of “high IQ upper castes” in Germany? Canada? China? Russia? Iran? Japan? Spain? Belgium? Morocco? United Arab Emirates? Vietnam? Hungry? … if no, why not by the very same logic of yours ??

    ——

    Again, is your wife or relative an ethnic “high IQ upper caste” Indian, Yan Shen, Panda wonders?

  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil

    There is no escape from the future, for any of us. We unleashed the demon that is technological singularity upon the world and so we shall fall before it. There is, realistically, no way back before some form of AI, probably human-assisted, ends up running us all. In this, China is probably actually leading in innovation in surveillance and passive opinion control, and the rest of the world will learn and end up deploying similar techniques.

    If its any comfort, so will everyone else suffer the same fate.

  182. “Time to Stop Importing an Immigrant Overclass”

    Brilliant!

    Import Immigrant Undercalss only please.

  183. Twinkie says:
    @Yan Shen

    The site won’t let me hand out the troll card again.

    That’s a good video, but you are overusing it and making it less and less endearing. Stop grinding it.

  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    All groups do this: the smart ones get their foot in the door, then open it for their dumb relatives, who crowd out the existing inhabitants. It’s why IQ-based social organization doesn’t work: tribal loyalty trumps everything.

  185. Twinkie says:
    @Thirdeye

    I agree with much of what you wrote, but there is ONE significant difference between Jews and Northeast Asians in the U.S. The former, when they intermarry, assimilate the non-Jews. The latter sublimate. Thus, people who are fractionally Jewish tend to identify as Jews. Those who are fractionally East Asian identify mostly as the other – usually whites – in their ancestry.

    • Replies: @Anon
  186. @PandaAtWar

    Are you saying that there aren’t intelligent South Asians?

    That’s obviously untrue. The current Modi government might be dickweeds and overall there’s pretty saddening levels of corruption, but I’ve witnessed their competence at politics. My main complaint is that the “high-caste” particularly emphasize politics seemingly beyond any other virtues and it isn’t very productive. This is how you get a country that can reap billions but still can’t provide water or electricity widely to the countryside, let alone consideration about toilets.

    Arguably, Modi’s ability to be an eternal pain is a kind of political success. India will probably be a thorn in China’s side for all foreseeable future in the time to come. Its some sort of achievement, I guess.

    There are parts of India that are interesting: Sanskrit is a beautiful language, there is a lot of interesting culture and it is the homeland of Buddhism. Recent history has been pretty tragic though.

    • Replies: @random rand
    , @PandaAtWar
  187. TWS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    A reasonable ninety. That’s not too much to ask.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  188. haha. TLDR: what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords, we don’t need another group supplanting them!!! he likes the current overlords and ivy league admission quotas :) he wants to stop immigration completely.

    at least he isn’t of the camp that screams whites immigrants only :) that shows principle. big thumbs up.

    ps: as long as china isn’t a kowtowing vassal, asian quota is here to stay :)))

    pps: elites want a bigger population so usa can have a bigger economy. good luck stopping that :)))

  189. Rdm says:
    @Bill Jones

    Think twice before you make a wish.

    If this rule is imposed, there would be more Asians celebrating than Europeans.

    Ask Derb if he still has his Queens passport.

  190. Rdm says:
    @Priss Factor

    That’s what non-Whites have been doing. They’re migrating to non-White nations, i,e., Native America. Or South Asians migrating to Aborigines land — Australia.

    Do you think East Asians are so desperate to migrate to Poland? Norway?

  191. Thomm says:
    @Alden

    I know exactly what it means, and have explained at length why it exceptionally accurate in describing the typical WN (who has more in common with blacks than with mainstream whites).

    Your lack of self-awareness is not my problem.

  192. Addicted to Outrage, Addicted to Sanctimony.

  193. Truth says:
    @Vinteuil

    Well the guy was waving a gun out of a hotel window. That’s kind of like stealing a cigar in a 7-11 isn’t it?

    I know, he dindu nuffin..

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  194. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    East Asian identify mostly as the other – usually whites – in their ancestry.

    Asians are servile. In Asia, the masses serve their masters and even used to bow to the ground.
    Even under communism, the masses were slavish dogs of the new rulers.

    So, this mentality is part of Asian DNA. Serve and submit to the power.

    East Asians are even more ‘white bread’ than whites. No personality or color.

    Also, identity mainly comes from the male. Because black males are seen as manlier than white males, most white/black mating is about white women going with black men. So, blackness dominates. After all, white women is submitting to black male power while rejecting white male as inferior.

    Same applies to interracial kids of Asians. By and large, Asian women reject Asian men as inferior and go with other races. Since Asian women prefer to submit to the males of other races, their children also identify with the dominant race.

    Even among Jews and Asians, I think it’s generally Jewish men and Asian women.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Troll: Twinkie
  195. utu says:
    @Vinteuil

    The same for the jurors who acquitted them.

  196. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @britishbrainsize1325cclol

    How do you know he is Chinese, let alone mainland Chinese? He speaks English with a Korean accent. Because he is Asian, one of the protesters immediately assumes he is Chinese and tells him to go back to Beijing. Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees. How are these protesters on his side? Were he studying for his exams when they protest in the library, they aren’t going to pay for his tuition if he flunks his class and they aren’t going to persuade Samsung to hire him if he gets a bunch of Cs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  197. Factorize says:

    Let’s do a roll call of those posters on this thread who will acknowledge that 1-2 SD genetic enhancement is now possible (more or less) without genetic preconditions and are willing to recognize the profound social consequences!

    Many times I have witnessed conversations continue without any apparent change in the thought pattern once such a truly revolutionary idea has been introduced. There are clearly political motives for denying reality, though for some it is not so much a crafty denial of reality and more of a total obliviousness of reality.

    Will this thread be about confronting a new and completely unexplored world of very high intelligence without prominent group differences that have shaped the pre-modified world, or will this thread be about accepting reality as it is now and anticipating the wonderous benefits that will accrue from a world saturated with super-human IQ?

    Anyone want to step up and accept reality instead of live in fantasy land?

  198. @Yan Shen

    If tiny Japan was able to cause such a stir, what might a country with similar cognitive capital but 10x the population do?

    Paradoxically, China will be less of a danger than Japan precisely because it is a bigger nation. China is big enough to be satisfied with itself. Sure, it wants to do business with the world and make money, but China doesn’t need to conquer or control other nations to be a great power. It doesn’t need an empire since it is an empire-nation.

    Same goes for Russia. It’s big enough to be great on its own. Sure, Russians are underachievers, but Russia doesn’t need more land or more territory to make a mark in the world. It is great with what it has.

    The reason why Japan and Germany became so problematic(far more so than China or Russia) was the discrepancy between their ambitions and limitations. If both nations had been content in being nice normal nations, there would have been no problem. But Germany looked at Great Britain and France as models, great world powers with giant empires. Germany wanted to be great too and concluded it needed an empire of its own. As for Japan, it wanted to be the dominant Asian power but didn’t have enough land and resources to ensure such destiny.
    If China has modernized at the same time Japan did in the 19th century, then China would have developed as a modern industrial power too, and then, Japan would have acknowledged China as the major Asian power. Japan would not have developed an oversized ambition(that was only possible because China was seen as the Sick Man of Asia). As it happened, China was slow to modernize whereas Japan did it overnight. Flush with power and success, Japan wanted to remain the main Asian power indefinitely. At the time, Japan was much smaller than China but much stronger. China was much bigger than Japan but much weaker. This contradiction led to the great war between the two nations.

    But things are different now. Today, China has a bigger economy than Japan and is a stronger power. Things are more natural and normal.

    Will newly risen China act like Japan in the first half of the 20th century? We won’t have that problem because China’s ambitions are limited to coastal areas. China has no interest in taking over any other part of the world. It is satisfied with its own size. Also, it has enough problems within its own borders. It only wants to do business.

    The main problem comes from Jews because of the contradictions of their power. Jews are the most powerful people in the world but also the smallest of all the major powers.
    This leads to great neurosis in the Jewish mind that is filled with megalomania and super-anxiety.
    Jews are stronger than Chinese, Hindus, Russians, Anglos, Germans, Japanese, French, Iranians, but there are far fewer Jews than the populations of major gentile nations. Japan has over 110 million, Germany has 80 million, Russia has 125 million, etc. There are 13 million Jews in the world. And their own nation, Israel, is small. Jews control US(the most powerful nation on earth), UK, Canada, and etc, BUT their power depends on White Submissivism.

    This is why Jews denounce any sign of White Identity and Interest as ‘white supremacism’. Without white gentiles putting Jewish interests before white interests, Jewish supremacism cannot be sustained because Jews don’t have the numbers. Jews are like a mind that needs control other bodies.
    This is why Jews hate nationalism in all nations except in Israel. Nationalism makes the people of that nation think mainly of their own kind, their own race and culture. Also, universal nationalism means peace among gentile nations, and that means each nation can mind its own business and do what is best for itself.

    It is to the interest of Jewish Supremacism to have gentiles hate gentiles: US vs Muslims, EU vs Russia, US vs China, Saudis vs Iran, etc. This way, gentiles will be too busy hating one another to focus on what is best for their own nations. When gentiles hate gentiles, Jews get in between and manipulate both sides. Consider how American Jews declared New Cold War on Russia while Netanyahu and Russian Jews assure Putin that they are doing their best to improve things for Russia.

    If most peoples think nationally, they will come to the conclusion that it’s not an advantage to them to support Jewish supremacism. It is because they think globally that they are so confused and lost. If they can’t be for their own kind, what or whom should they be for? This is where Jewish agents step in and serve as consultants of navigating in globalist waters. Of course, the advice leads to even more loss and confusion, and then, Jews offer yet more advice on what to do, which only makes things worse since that advice is really meant to serve Jewish interests than gentile national interests. I mean, according to Jewish advice, Europeans must import tons of more non-whites in order for Europe to ‘survive’. Now, any such advice would sound crazy to a sane person, but the Holocaust Cult has instilled white gentiles with the image of Jews as holy people with wisest opinions.

    So, Jewish supremacist wars made a mess of the Muslim World and then unleashed tons of refugees(aided by Soros and gang) who flood into Europe. And all those cucked out Germans think their main role is to serve ‘refugees’, Muslims, and Africans than serve their own kind. When Germans and such people put the interests of the Other above their own kind, it means white submissivism that can easily be manipulated to serve Jewish interests.

  199. @Thomm

    The notion that ‘all Chinese and Indians want to come here’ has not been true for a while.

    Give me a break. Just look how entire Canadian cities have been changed due to massive invasion and colonization from China and India. And consider the possible fate of Australia.

    Also, let’s do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    If Chinese people were given a chance to move to ANY nation, I’ll bet at least 25% will come to Anglo-made nations in the first yr. And it will be higher among Hindus as India is such a slumdog nation.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate. Now, Japan is a rich nation and living standards are much higher than in China or India. Yet, even Japanese wanna depart from their home nation. So, just imagine how many Chinese and Indians will come to the West if given the opportunity to do so.

    And let’s not forget all those anchor babies and all those smuggle operations. Huge parts of Chinatown in NY are Smuggle Dens. It’s Smugtown

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @anonymous
    , @Thomm
  200. @Ron Unz

    Ah, that explains it. The four color-coded groups do not make up the entirety of the student body. For Harvard their total is 72%, and for Caltech their total is 80% (unless I misadded). And (Caltech’s total four-dot area)/(Harvard’s total four-dot area) = 80/72 (approximately).

  201. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor

    You didn’t understand the point.

    No one disputes that 20 million migrants are very small percentages of China’s or India’s population.

    The point is, not that many people there are clamoring to leave.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    Net emigration per 1000 inhabitants is just -1.33 for India and -2.06 for China. Countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe are higher. Poland is -1.94, Bulgaria is -7, and Romania is a whopping -22.

    I understand that a WN may not know how to interpret data, but in order to avoid asserting silly things, you must.

  202. Rdm says:
    @Priss Factor

    Scientific study showed that Blacks in general have nail clubbing which indicates some forms of association with diseases in the body.

    Whites are destroying their centuries long in-breeding genetics with totally rudimentary genetic pool. Real cucks indeed.

  203. @Daniel Chieh

    To be fair, being an eternal thorn isn’t exactly difficult. Since India will forever be there and China doesn’t really want to fight a war with India, India can constantly provoke without getting into a war. The question is whether India gets anything good out it, whether the US will give India enough rewards for being sufficiently anti-China. Otherwise the whole exercise is kind of pointless.

  204. Art Deco says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    what derb is saying is that we already have jewish overlords,

    You’re projecting. Mr. Derbyshire isn’t altogether inane. He leaves that to the combox denizens.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  205. Twinkie says:
    @Thomm

    To Napoleon is attributed the saying, “moral is to physical as three is to one.” In immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income. The Manhattan Institute already tracks this (or a good proxy of it): https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    High-income, meritocratic elite is all nice and all, but what’s better is an elite with noblesse oblige that cares about their cognitive inferiors.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Thomm
  206. Ron Unz says:
    @Hail

    If Jewish and Non-Jewish White enrollment in the Ivy League are at parity, as your data suggests, how do we explain Jewish over-representation today?

    I discussed this issue both in my original article and also in some of my subsequent follow-up columns. Here’s my analysis, which is admittedly somewhat speculative.

    My analysis of many dozens of National Merit Semifinalist lists suggests that on average Jews represent nearly 7% of the highest-performing American students, so we are seeking to explain the gap between that figure and their supposed 23% enrollment in the Ivies.

    First, the Jewish population is heavily concentrated in the Northeast, the part of the country in which all the Ivies are located, and that geographical proximity would certainly tend to increase their presence.

    Second, Jews are considerably more affluent than the general white population, and probably also much more focused on education and eager to have their children attend an Ivy. The latter factors are difficult to quantify, but almost certainly true.

    My own sense is that under a strictly meritocratic and objective admissions system, the combination of these two factors would tend to increase the relative preponderance of Jewish enrollment in the Ivies by a considerable amount, perhaps by 70-100%. So I’d think under that scenario we would see 12-15% of Ivy students being Jewish.

    Now as I explicitly stated in my article, although the Hillel figures are likely to constitute a rough representation of reality, it’s perfectly possible that they’re somewhat exaggerated due to “ethnic boosterism” and such, notably when it comes to including part-Jewish students, who may self-identify as Jewish. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the true Jewish enrollment figure is actually 20% or even less.

    The combination of these two factors means we are only left to explain a Jewish over-enrollment anomaly of perhaps 50%, certainly considerable, but obviously far less than the nominal over-representation of 1000% or more.

    At this point, a very simple consideration enters the picture. Based on painful past experience, elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit “too few Jews” in a given year there’s a dangerous possibility that they’ll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for “anti-Semitism,” thereby leading to a purge and their permanent removal to the unemployment lines. (Under similar circumstances, I’d think that economic analysts in Stalinist Russia were rather careful not to report overly “bad” results.) Therefore, I’d guess that if in any given year that the number of Jewish students being admitted to Yale happens to dip too low, enough additional ones are added in at the end to avoid risk of a horrific national media firestorm.

    Here are links to my previous discussions of this issue:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_9_20

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/#p_1_15

    Finally, according to the explicit “diversitarian” ideology of the Ivies, a certain fraction of the spots need to be allocated to blacks and Hispanics, while there are also considerable numbers of International students and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can’t be kept too low lest there be a public backlash. This combination of pressures leads to a relatively pre-determined enrollment figure for white American students, with Jews being classified as white. Thus, all those above factors that tend to increase the number of Jewish students automatically lower the corresponding number of non-Jewish white students.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Twinkie
  207. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Also, let’s do a mind game. Suppose only 10% of Chinese wanna emigrate. That is still 130 million people.

    As the conditions in their own country are rapidly improving, fewer and fewer Chinese have any desire of emigrating to the West.

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.

    That doesn’t line up with my own experience of Japanese people in Japan at all. I’m curious, what is your source for this poll?

  208. utu says:
    @Twinkie

    You are talking to a hindoo. The moral aspects and noblesse oblige are foreign to them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  209. I come from an immigrant family that nicely fits the “overclass” paradigm Derbyshire posits in this article. I can’t help but laugh at wordy blabber about an open secret. We didn’t immigrate to take middle class jobs. We were elites in our countries of origin and have no interest in working manual labor jobs in the states. We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home. From childhood, we had a creed of academic and professional domination hammered into us by our parents. We watched as our white classmates smoked pot and spent their nights in front of the TV. We worked hard and feel no shame in reaping the rewards. Our success is partly cultural and partly IQ-mediated (both my parents scored in the very top percentile on a national exam (taken right after high school) back in the home country). It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings. They want tariffs to prevent the more capable Chinese worker from “taking” their jobs and they seem to want a people’s tariff to shield them from competition from more qualified foreigners. There is a white country without Jews or the immigrant elite — it’s called Belarus, and you are more than welcome to move there.

  210. Biff says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Not sure if you’re real or not, but you nailed it pretty good!

  211. Factorize says:
    @ElitistSettler

    ElitistSettler, I am very interested in your reaction to the idea that superhuman intelligence from genetic enhancement is now likely rapidly approaching. Enhancing human IQ by merely a few SDs is now already possible. Until now, selecting for an overclass immigrant elite only had medium-term psychometric validity, as regression to the mean is inevitable, especially for immigrants who have the ability and/or desire to blend into the mainstream. With current technology regression to the mean is no longer inevitable and this might have substantial socio-political relevance. What if the immigrant overclass were a permanent feature in our communities? However, given 100 IQ superhumans, this might not be of consequetial.

    What would your prediction be for how the world will unfold from here? In a world where anywhere could be the center of human civilization would you have even bothered moving? Will a genetically enhanced IQ world become more racially isolated? What happens when everyone in the community possesses superhuman ability?

  212. @Art Deco

    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  213. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Oh, not you too! Was “Hindi-Russi bhai bhai” so much of a blow?

  214. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Yes, it is just post facto postulate. There is no data on IQ distribution shape for Jews or for any other ethnic group. To estimate accurately values at 2SD or 3SD away form mean it would take a very large sample. Even the basic parameters of the distribution like Mean and SD are know only approximately. While the Mean in principle can be estimated very accurately there is no agreement what is the value of the Mean for Jews. Is it 110 or 115?

    It’s obviously true that explaining the over-representation of Jew in various academic institutions or other elite settings based on complex IQ extrapolations is an absurdity.

    Just as you say, the *mean* IQ of American Jews is unclear, let alone the precise shape of their high-end distribution curve, or that of the various other groups they’re competing against. You can plug in different numbers and get a huge variety of different high-end estimates.

    That’s why I think the approach I took in my Meritocracy analysis was far superior. The annual NMS lists are an excellent *empirical* measure of academic ability/performance at the high end, and therefore probably the best means of determining the actual current percentage of high-performing Jewish students, without any hand-waving nonsense about “fat tails” and such.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @TWS
  215. Thomm says:
    @Twinkie

    in immigration terms, this means patriotism – sense of civic duty, if you will – is more important than mean income.

    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    Remember that WN is a goddess cult, so they are not capable of holding white women accountable for anything. Hence, their rage is somewhat misdirected.

    For all the talk of ‘assimilation’, the most over de-assimilation is happening right here, with these lily-white SJWs and feminists.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  216. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    since that is the only part of my comment you picked up on, you must be jewish :)))

    Exactly! It’s pretty obvious that this “Art Deco” fellow is just a Jewish-activist type, and given his very extensive posting history, perhaps even an organized “troll.” But he’s certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.

    In many respects, he’s the exact opposite of that “Whiskey” fellow who’s been hanging around the iSteve blog for a decade or more, endlessly promoting Jews/Israel while denouncing the “WASP Mafia” that purportedly controls Hollywood(!!). Although he’s utterly transparent, he’s always claimed to be “Scots-Irish,” which led to years of running jokes and ethnic euphemisms by iSteve commenters. Then one time, he let slip that he didn’t even know the definition of the “Scots-Irish” ethnicity meant…

    Basically, I’d give “Whiskey” an F in ethnic Internet crypsis, and “Art Deco” an A-…

  217. Thomm says:
    @ElitistSettler

    I agree with what you wrote. You have the right to supplant a group that is less hard-working. Anyone who opposes that in principle is just a lazy moocher (which WN faggots are).

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.

    Mainstream whites don’t want this. Only loser WNs who are lazy and untalented want it (they are widely called ‘wiggers’ since they behave more like blacks, rather than successful whites). Remember that variance within whites is very high.

    A smart white simply evolves to do business with ascendant Asians, so he can remain ascendant himself. That is what I am about.

    • Replies: @Discard
  218. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor

    Also, there was a poll that showed that 80% of Japanese want to emigrate.

    This is so laughably false than only an innumerate WN wigger would say it.

    Japanese immigration to the US is negligibly small in modern times. It is not the 1910s anymore.

    How many Japanese come to the US each year for Permanent Residency? Remember that the maximum greencard quota per country does not exceed 80,000/yr or so for any country not called ‘Mexico’.

    It takes 10 seconds to look this up. That is why a WN retard like Priss Factor will spend a lifetime being misinformed.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  219. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, I don’t know. It’s odd what sets people off– personally I find some of these things surprising in my case, my “triggers” include Bollywood (which I don’t even like that much) the Middle Ages, etc. To me “Art Deco” comes across as your standard neocon type, and though not necessarily Jewish strongly opinionated on Jewish issues. I also recall reading his opinions (though I don’t remember them) on Catholic issues which would probably be obscure to non-Catholics, so I figured he probably was or had been one.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  220. @Astuteobservor II

    I agree that it is about the economy, but i thng it is more of a labor force thing. Economist calculate the desired rate of growth of the labor force which is in most countries about 1 percent per year. They then adjust their migration policys so that this figure of 1 per cent a year can be achieved.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  221. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    Well, I suppose you’re correct, and “Art Deco” might indeed just be some totally brain-washed Gentile Neocon, an extreme representative of the “extended phenotype” produced by all those fanatic Jewish-activist types…

    • LOL: Yan Shen
  222. @Thomm

    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Now, that doesn’t mean they plan to. It’s just something on their minds. But many are dissatisfied with their own nation because of overwork. Still, most will stay because it’s familiar with them.

    Also, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @anonymous
  223. @Truth

    Surely you know from personal experience than when you humped all the white womenfolk in town, their daddies, husbands, brothers, and uncles showered you with free money, free cars, free gift certificates, and free houses.

    Not only do they want to prove to Truth that they are not ‘racist’ but they worship the negrovah.

    I mean did you see the new messiah cult around Obama in 2008? They were fainting all over the place.

    • Replies: @Truth
  224. A society no longer worthy of support should not be supported. America is dead. In the latter half of the 20th century it committed suicide in an orgy of ideologies: diversity, multiculturalism, feminism, queer rights, state welfarism, to name a few.
    The rot is simply to deep now to fix anything. I say “let the damned bury the damned.”

    • Replies: @Grandpa Charlie
  225. Thomm says:
    @Priss Factor

    I recall seeing a poll where the majority of Japanese wanted to live in another country.

    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    DHS immigration stats show extremely few Japanese coming to the US.

    A

    lso, poll after poll show that Japanese are among the least happy people in the world.

    Perhaps, but that does not mean they want to come to the West. Remember, they are just as prosperous. Many white Western children of rich parents are very unhappy too, for reasons unrelated to anything about race or immigration.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  226. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    It’s just something on their minds

    Source, please.

    Yes, workplace conditions in Japan can be stressful for some, but I don’t recall people wanting to emigrate. Again, sources please…

    poll after poll

    Which polls? Or are you referring to the world happiness report? (which doesn’t actually measure happiness, btw..)

  227. lao gu says:
    @PandaAtWar

    I guess Yang Shen must be Indian who us the name like Chinese.

  228. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We need a 20 year moratorium, not a single new immigrant for 20 years.

    Send packing all those not yet citizens – rescind all their visas, green cards.

    Then assimilate the new citizens from the last 20 years.

  229. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Many Asian students are foreign students who pay full tuition and would go back to Asia after they earn a degree or degrees.

    99% of them want to stay and will do anything to stay after graduation, including staying illegally.

    • Replies: @Anon
  230. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Could there be some double counting in those numbers? E.g. mixed race children could check more than one box, are they double/triple counted?

    and admissions of very high-performing Asian students can’t be kept too low lest there be a public backlash.

    High performing Asian/unhooked white kids have been getting the shaft for a long time. Most Asian kids accepted are those with pretty good but not top grades, but are successful in non traditionally Asian ECs like drama club, model UN, football, basketball, wrote award winning essays etc. Double bonus if they’re LGBTQ and made a point of writing about the “pain” of coming out to their “community”.

  231. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil

    Elect (and keep electing) someone of Trump’s Caliber to lead. He will Make America Great Again. In that, you may even expect tacit support from Putin’s white Russia.

  232. @Thomm

    Recall? A link would help prove that that was a real poll, rather than an imaginary one.

    I’ve been trying to find it, but google messes up search results.

    It’s like I read an article about how India has exported 300 million of its people, but I can’t find it anymore.

    Search results sucks on the engines.

    It will be Planet of the Apu.

    Anyway, Japan seems doomed. Its corporate elite wants to inundate Japan with foreigners.

    https://japantoday.com/category/business/japan-inc-supports-bringing-in-low-skilled-foreign-labor-poll

  233. Discard says:
    @Thomm

    My ancestors built this country, farmed its farms, built its cities, mined its coal, fought its wars, and created a society where 13 year olds no longer had to go to work in the mines and the average man could own a house and send his kids through high school. Most people had enough food to eat, clean water to drink, electricity, adequate clothing and shelter, and a couple days off a week. And we had White neighbors who did not prey on us, through force or fraud. These are not small achievements for any society. ElitistSettler’s “…creed of academic and professional domination…” marks him as an enemy. I have worked 40 hours a week most of my life, and about 60 hours a week for two five year periods. I own a small house, a old pick-up, a small RV (inherited), an old motorcycle, books, and musical instruments. Why should I need to drive myself harder in order to have more? Books and music and family and the respect of others is not enough?

    You are savages.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Thomm
  234. Twinkie says:
    @Thomm

    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    That’s a false choice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  235. Anon 2 says:
    @jtgw

    Pasterski is a Polish name. Sabrina’s father is Polish

    • Replies: @jtgw
  236. Twinkie says:
    @Ron Unz

    elite admissions officers and college administrators have learned that if they accidentally admit “too few Jews” in a given year there’s a dangerous possibility that they’ll be ferociously vilified by the mainstream American media for “anti-Semitism,”

    It doesn’t even have to be that convoluted – it could also be that there are many Jewish admissions officers and administrators who think that the future elite of America should resemble them, period.

    When I worked as a student employee at the admissions office of an Ivy League university over 25 years ago, a Jewish administrator declared – to my astonishment, as it was so public – that Jews cared about the world while Asians didn’t. The implication was pretty clear.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  237. @Daniel Chieh

    Are you saying that there aren’t intelligent South Asians?

    Hi Chieh, Panda loves when you started with this popular strawman. Were you insinuating that Panda can stop reading all the stuff your wrote afterwards? ROFL

    That’s ok.

    But when Panda claimed that?

    Or has Panda ever come across to you as an intellectual giant who would claim that stupidity?

    Of course there’re intelligent , say IQ> 100, South Asians, a lot actually! And many of them are in the US via H1B.

    In fact ANY big-sized group has intelligent people. It’s the Bell Curve all about, darn it!

    But that’s not the point. For you to catch up to the speed:

    Panda’s point was that there’s no established, or logically apparent reason why India’s self-identified “upper castes” have “high IQ ” ( loosely defined as “with average IQ >=100″ by common sense for the sake of argument). Ditto for case of Ibo in Nigeria!

    Yan Shen, as most Hindu nationalists, tried to make a point that since there’re tens of thousands “upper castes”Indians in the US who “seem” in general, many of them actually do, have high IQ, therefore their claimed “castes” (i.e. implied meaning of worldwide population, including most of their corresponding IQ Bell Curves residing in India) must have high average IQ as well. This logic is heavily flawed.

    With no apparent reason in sight, therefore, Panda had to question Yan Shen’s personal relationship with these “upper castes” in order to justify his view.

    Yes, there’re some proofs that India is a heterogeneous place with many different groups, or “castes”, with different average IQs respectively.

    However, therefore to claim 1 or many of these self-identified “upper castes” with different avg IQ from India’s “low castes” must all have high average IQs ( again, loosely defined as “with average IQ >=100″ by common sense for the sake of argument) requires a quantum leap of faith, is it not?

    ——

    BTW, contrary to Hindu fanatics and your claim, India never was, and is not, the homeland of Buddhism by any stretch of sensible standard :

    e.g. ethnic origin; % of Buddhism population; important defining Buddhism thoughts, works, schools, scholars, leaders, ceremonies, architectures/temples, continuous development path & plans…across time and their impacts to the home nation and the larger world, as one would easily identify in both Islam and Christianity in the ME & Europe respectively.

    If India were the homeland of Buddhism, Iran would be the Mother Macca of Christianity, Panda tells ya! lol

  238. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    But he’s certainly one of the most sophisticated ones, with the vast majority of his comments being level-headed, moderate, and very well-informed, generally focusing on all sorts of other topics, perhaps with the deliberate intent of building up his personal credibility for the periodic Jewish matters that actually so agitate him.

    The quality and wide range of his comments are really impressive. As if it was coming form a super intelligent AI Hal that has access to all kinds of databases at his finger tips. And then there is always the same gradient of his angle: the reality is as it is; reality is as you have been told so far; do not try to keep coming with weird theories and speculations because they are all false; there is nothing interesting to see. His quality and scope are not congruent with his angle. All his knowledge and all his data and he hasn’t found anything interesting that would not conform to what we all read in newspapers. Amazing. If America had its High Office of Doctrine and Faith he could have been its supreme director.

  239. Anon 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Here are the GDPs per capita in several flyover
    states

    Kansas $57,100

    Wyoming $59,000

    N. Dakota $68,000

    Not bad considering these are America’s ‘hinterlands’ , in fact
    higher than the U.S. average (Kansas is close to the average).
    The GDPs per capita in the Deep South are indeed
    depressed but that area is an outlier due to the high
    percentage of blacks. My thesis still stands, with minor
    exceptions America’s hinterlands are quite well-to-do
    compared to the world average.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  240. @TWS

    But too much to expect given differential fertility.

  241. @Sollipsist

    Let’s stop irresponsibly increasing their numbers, and concentrate on improving their lives for a few years… and then we’ll reevaluate immigration.”
    Who could really object to that, except perhaps a selfishly opportunistic prospective immigrant with no regard for the welfare of the destination country?

    Who could really object? Perhaps the political party most likely to benefit from importing large numbers of additional voters (many of them “illegal aliens”)?

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  242. @Third world nationalist

    Hong Kong is a city in China, not a separate country. This has been so since the British left many years ago. I wish people would stop thinking otherwise, I don’t understand the persistent, mass delusion.

  243. jtgw says:
    @Anon 2

    Do you have a source? A lot of Jewish names have Polish forms ending in “-ski” or “-sky”.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  244. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding the regression to the mean, it’s not always true. My IQ is in the 140′s. I have one son whose IQ is in the 160′s, another whose IQ is in the 130′s. My husband’s IQ is around 120.

    Recent studies have found that the intelligence genes only occur in the X chromosome. Since boys only have 1 X chromosome, which they get from their moms, it means boys get their intelligence from their moms, not their dads. OTOH, girls have 2 X chromosomes, so they could’ve gotten the intelligence genes from either the mom or the dad. What this means is, a smart mom will most likely have smart sons, but not necessarily smart daughters, unless the dad is also smart. Meanwhile, a smart dad might have smart daughters, but not necessarily smart sons, unless the mom is also smart.

    A good measure of the parents’ intelligence is not just education level but also the type of degrees they hold. Many high IQ kids come from families where the moms have STEM degrees. I have a degree in Computer Science. When I homeschooled my 160 IQ kid in his elementary years, we joined a homeschool co-op and I noticed almost all the really high IQ boys have moms with STEM degrees, many in either engineering, computer science or the physical sciences. Many of these moms quit their jobs to homeschool their sons because of their extremely high IQs which makes a normal school environment a poor fit, as in our family. I also met a few girls who are high IQ with dads who work in the tech industry.

    The mother of Terence Tao, Fields Medalist and youngest winner of International Math Olympiad(at age 10), has a Master’s degree in Physics. Jeremy Shuler was recently accepted to Cornell at age 12, his mom has a master’s degree in Aerospace Engineering. Both boys were homeschooled by their moms. Ruth Lawrence, British-Israeli mathematician, passed her O level math at age 5, A level math at age 9. Both parents are computer consultants, dad quit his job to homeschool her.

    As for how it pertains to the Indian tech workers here, many Indians still let their parents find their spouses for them through arranged marriage. The top criteria for many Indian men for finding a wife is “fair skin” and “speaks English”, not necessarily two criteria that scream “smart women” but I’m sure there are smart Indian women who meet both criteria. Unless these women also excel in STEM their children may not have the highest IQ. But of course the moms could also have high verbal ability like a lot of Jewish women, so their sons/daughters will also have high verbal ability, which might explain why so many second generation Indians gravitate toward professions popular with Jews – journalism, academia, law, investment banking, politics.

  245. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Then brutal eradication of lily-white SJWs should be priority #1. They are more un-American than skilled, legal immigrants.

    That’s a false choice.

    False choice indeed. Many(not all) Asian immigrants and their children have progressive leanings, indoctrinated by the liberal education system dominated by liberal Jews. This is especially true of the more loquacious Indians who gravitate more towards liberal arts than East Asians.

  246. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A few major reasons I can think of in terms of why white gentile kids are no longer performing at the highest level academically to make them competitive with the Asians and Jews for elite colleges:

    1) They’ve gotten lazy. It’s what happens to every civilization that has become wealthy. The kids get lazy because they grew up with all their needs met. Many white kids are indeed very spoiled, too busy following a coarsening and downward projecting pop culture and addicted to their electronics, first video games, social media. Both the pop culture and social media are of course, controlled by liberals.

    2) They and their parents have been brainwashed since childhood that hard work equals rote learning, laziness and deviant behavior in class lead to creativity. Elite colleges’ use of holistic admission reinforces that believe system to these kids, essentially telling them that sports, clubs and social activism are a lot more important than academics, so white kids choose to excel in those, boys in sports, girls in social activism. Academia and all the social sciences that produce all the bullshit research are again, dominated by liberals.

    3) They are addicted to marijuana, courtesy again, of the liberals, for pushing for drug legalization because “black men are being unfairly incarcerated”.

    After 4 decades of this crap we end up with what we have, white kids who are lazy, endlessly distracted by pop culture, addicted to video games, social media, and play sports or are addicted to drugs. Oh yes and thanks to Hollywood, they also learn that college is all about partying. Liberalism will bring the end of western civilization.

    Why didn’t the same toxic liberal ideology affect Jewish and Asian kids? Jews tend to not preach what they practice, but it is starting to affect their kids. As Ron Unz reported Jewish achievement for those under 40 have fallen off a cliff. They are living off legacy admissions and tribal loyalty in getting jobs in Wall Street, Silicon Valley, media, academia, law, politics etc. Meanwhile Asians tend to be first or second generation and haven’t gotten to that fat and lazy stage yet, but give them time, they will follow the same trajectory. It’s like gravity, can’t fight nature.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Discard
  247. @Anonymous

    Recent studies have found that the intelligence genes only occur in the X chromosome.

    Source please?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  248. AaronB says:
    @Twinkie

    Very true, Twinkie.

    Both you and Ron agree that Jews implement a policy of self-preference – you say this manifests in admissions officers, Ron says the (Jewish) media is the mechanism by which Jewish self-preference is enforced.

    But it is surely both.

    If self-preference can be accepted as a characteristic of Jewish behavior then it surely manifests itself across all fields in which Jews participate heavily.

    Mutually reinforcing each other, a sort of interlocking web is created, observable, but difficult to grasp in its full extent.

    Ron’s detailed list of reasons for Jewish dominance can really be classified under three main headings, it seems to me 1) ethnic nepotism, enforced through media, etc 3) differences in motivation between Jews and whites 3) accidents of time and place

    In my scheme, 2 is most important, and the existence of 1 really depends on the existence of 2.

  249. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    ” Or perhaps it is simply that any unbiassed observer is bound to notice something doesn’t add up in our “meritocracy”, and motivation and drive are ridiculously obvious candidates for making up the discrepancy?

    I was just directing you to the part that shows this.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  250. rec1man says:
    @Anonymous

    Fair skin co-relates with upper caste a lot

    Indian men want someone like a bollywood star, who is much fairer than typical Indian

    Speaks english = went to english medium school ( top 5% of India )

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @PandaAtWar
  251. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor

    Surely you know from personal experience than when you humped all the white womenfolk in town, their daddies, husbands, brothers, and uncles showered you with free money, free cars, free gift certificates, and free houses.

    Oh yeah, that’s right, I forgot.

  252. Truth says:
    @rec1man

    Speaks english = went to english medium school ( top 5% of India )

    …And a Hijra to boot…

    Whatup Malla, you aah-eit this morning Dawg?

  253. renfro says:
    @ElitistSettler

    We are merely assuming the professional status we enjoyed back home.

    Really? If you enjoyed your status back home why did you leave?

    Our success is partly cultural

    What were the failings of your culture in your home country that made the country American culture created more attractive to you?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  254. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Junglo-Saxons, the future of the white race.

    LOL I like that term. What will be the IQ of junglo-saxons, 92.5? Doesn’t bode well for America does it?

  255. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I agree with all of this except your criticism of sport. Sport is important. All young people should be competent athletes. This should be an integral part of a person’s education.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  256. renfro says:
    @Discard

    Good for you….the pursuit of happiness is what its all about.

  257. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    Ah, thanks then. That was actually helpful.

  258. @rec1man

    Too bad, that a handful of bollywood female stars can’t meet the demand of 0.6 billion Indian men, can they?

    BTW, do those H1B visa holders speak English?

    If they happen do = they went to english medium school =top 5% of India, right?

    • Replies: @rec1man
  259. @Anonymous

    A group of scientists just identified 40 new genes linked to intelligence in 2017 bringing the total to 52, and very likely more to come as we go forward. (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/may/22/scientists-uncover-40-genes-iq-einstein-genius)

    Yet the experiment was conducted in 1984, according to your link, when they claimed that “intelligence genes are located on chromosome X.”

    Are these 2 groups of scientists live in parallel universes, Panda wonders.

    And “Children’s intelligence has nothing to do with fathers” is a great news for the black males, yay!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  260. @Ron Unz

    Don’t understand why he even bothers to hide his identity, it is so obvious in a way. To know a person = knowing what sets that person off.

  261. @Third world nationalist

    hmm. think of it this way. on a per capita basis, usa is miles and miles ahead of china. but the combined total PPP, china is already 15% bigger by virtue of it’s bigger population. the immigration rate of about 1 million per year for the last 20 years or so has been trying to grow the us population. our elites had already seen the writing on the wall in the mid 90s. the decision makers doesn’t care about your living standard that was affected by the higher immigration rate. all they care about is the total economic output. because that = power. and they aren’t losing much anyway, they have gained, increase their total net worth by about 70-90%. remember when 60 billion was the richest? it is now over 100+ billion.

    they just need more consumers, labor force concern plays a small part if any. unemployment rate is already high(official number excludes alot of people) as hell, why would usa need more?

  262. Thomm says:
    @Discard

    You are savages.

    Nope. I am white, whereas you are a WN wigger who has nothing in common with successful whites.

    You have nothing common with successful whites, so quit taking credit for our work.

    White Trashionalists desperately want to claim ‘they’ did what successful whites did.

    I doubt your ancestors contributed anything favorable to America.

    If WN wiggers like you were given your own land to make a country, it would be worse than Haiti. You just can’t take the hint that the other 80% of whites don’t want you around.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Discard
    , @TWS
  263. Old Jew says:
    @ElitistSettler

    In many a Yiddish story there were Jews from Minsk or Pinsk. Soviet Belarus maintained Yiddish education/culture till 1928 or 1929, much later than any other part of the Soviet Union. Hitler killed a lot. But are they all gone? Is Belarus Judenrein?

    • Replies: @Anon
  264. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    You are sounding like a nutcase. Take a deep, long breath.

    I don’t know why you are so obsessed with “WNs”, but they do not make up ~40% of white men.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  265. botazefa says:
    @Factorize

    Jesus Christ you could be in possession of the Ten Commandments and no one would listen.

    • Replies: @Factorize
  266. botazefa says:
    @Anon 2

    Is GDP per capita a measure of individual earnings? I don’t think so. It’s just the value of production divided by the number of people.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  267. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Jew

    According to wiki there were c. 150000 in 1960 but less than 20000 today though some organizations believe there are up to 50000-70000, the largest Jewish community being in Minsk.

    Most of the remaining Jews left between the 70s and 90s for Israel or the US.

  268. Thomm says:
    @Anon

    but they do not make up ~40% of white men.

    Oh, even less. They are just 10-20% of white men.

    I dislike them because they bring the rest of us into disrepute, and invite hatred of whites that might otherwise be much less.

    Plus, as explained before, they comprise the waste matter that the evolutionary process wants to expunge from the gene pool (the same goes for the female counterparts of WN losers, which are the fat bluehaired feminists).

    • LOL: Yan Shen
    • Replies: @Discard
  269. >All races except asian are obsessed with race
    >Immediately posts some retarded video about how awesome his asian race is

    Why don’t you do everybody a favor and self deport ant-man?

  270. @englishmike

    There’s the issue right there. When labor unions had actual importance in the Democratic Party, it was still possible to argue that unrestricted immigration was against everyone’s interests. Now even the GOP is starting to court the immigrant head count rather than appear xenophobic by suggesting that resources can only be spread so thin…

  271. Anon 2 says:
    @jtgw

    It’s true that about 90% of the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Jews who lived for centuries in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (where they ended up after being expelled from Western Europe). However, few of them acquired Polish names, and if they did they typically spelled them with a -y ending, as in Zev Yaroslavsky (So. Cal. politician). Moreover, their Polish names often refer to their places of origin, e.g., Polanski (related to Poland), Varshavsky (related to Warsaw), Berlinski (related to Berlin), etc.

    Pasterski is not a high-status name in Polish. It has a peasant origin. It’s derived from ‘pasterz,’ a Polish word for ‘shepherd.’

    By the way, there won’t be another Einstein or Newton or Maxwell. Fundamental physics has basically ground to a halt. There haven’t been any major discoveries in the last 30 years. There are hundreds of smart physicists like Sabrina Pasterski, and they are not discovering much these days.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  272. Anon 2 says:
    @botazefa

    GDP per capita is at least related to individual earnings. For the individual American states that’s all we seem to have that’s easily accessible. Even individual earnings wouldn’t be easily comparable since one needs to take into account the local cost of living which is vastly different between, say, New York and Alabama.

  273. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I agree with all of this except your criticism of sport. Sport is important. All young people should be competent athletes. This should be an integral part of a person’s education.

    Exercise in general is important. PE should be a required subject year round for all kids. Sports should only be a hobby. But thanks to holistic admission and big time college sports on TV, even little kids’ sports have become an industry. Only a small percentage of kids even participate in it. It has become highly organized, time consuming and expensive. To get good enough for colleges to be interested in you, you have to participate in year round soccer/baseball/basketball/volleyball etc. since elementary school, play select tournaments since a young age. In the summer you have to go to sports camps, starting in Kindergarten, to improve your skills.

    American parents whine about too much homework, too much pressure for college, but they never whine about too much time spent on sports and too much pressure on their kids on the sports fields. That’s where all the white tiger moms and dads are. More and more kids are dropping out of sports with career ending injuries by middle school or high school. More and more girls are now suffering from concussions from playing soccer. Thanks to Title IX we now have female dumb jocks like Hope Solo to match the male dumb jocks.

    I know of kids who go out of town to play almost every weekend, where an overnight stay is required. One parent has to accompany of course. Add up all the hotel nights, gas, meals. There are kids who are already competing out of state as young as 8 or 9 years old, all the travel expenses, plus uniforms, tournament fees, camp fees in the summer. Only rich kids get to top levels these days. It is an uneven playing field. What does your ability to play football have to do with your ability to do math? It’s a total farce that so many varsity athletes graduate barely even able to read, write, compute, even speak a complete sentence.

    It’s also absolutely ridiculous that the highest paid public employee of every state is always a college football coach, followed by a college basketball coach. In what way do pro athletes change our societies for the better? None. They are entertainers. What do we value as a society?

    This unhealthy emphasis on sports has turned our entire education system into a farce. And the Ivy Leagues play a big role in this circus. If you are a white male who doesn’t play any sports, your chances of getting into an elite college is practically nil. This hurts all the truly high IQ kids whose sports is academics. What good are all the top notch math and science departments at these elite schools when all the kids they admit are just busy playing sports, partying and majoring in soft subjects to get their diplomas rubber stamped, then move on to a career on Wall Street or Capitol Hill through connections?

  274. @TWS

    I understand the concerns of “Joe Average”…and yet, they are completely irrelevant from a policymaking perspective. People can be resentful for any reason of any type of immigrants…their emotions do not provide any grounds for national policy.

    The only issues are:

    1) Does John Smith (or Juan Sanchez, or whatever) want to come here?
    2) What are the externalities of John coming here (if any)?
    3) Can those externalities be fairly adjudicated or negotiated?

    I cannot justify limiting the free movement of people, especially when there are strong economic benefits to them coming here, both to them and to America at large in terms of positive spillovers. The best solutions are building structures for political federalism, particularism, and free association. That way, any externalities can be minimized or outright removed, while productive people can still come here to their heart’s content (obviously, I’m in favor of removing welfare and entitlements for everyone).

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @TWS
  275. Vinteuil says:
    @Truth

    “That’s kind of like stealing a cigar in a 7-11 isn’t it?”

    No, it’s not. But I might as well try to explain the differences to my cat as to you.

  276. rec1man says:
    @PandaAtWar

    Most of the H1B are Telugu, did not go to English medium school
    - often use fake resume

  277. jtgw says:
    @Anon 2

    Thanks for explaining the etymology of Pasterski; it does seem an unlikely name for a Jew.

    I don’t know enough to respond to your comment on physics. Though are you arguing that there is no one of that intellect or that there are no more major discoveries to be made (owing to limits of knowledge or limits of human reason)?

  278. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Your high IQ did not shield you form entertaining silly ideas and harboring really boring thoughts.

  279. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    99%? Did you pull it out of a hat or you have some source to back it up?

    China is the largest sender of international students to the US. (The swelling ranks of Chinese students studying abroad are spending 380 billion yuan ($56 billion) annually)

    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-07-21/101120226.html

    Chinese college students studying in the U.S. are finding it just as interesting these days to return home to the world’s No. 2 economy rather than staying a few years in the world’s No. 1.

    Some 82.23% of students who studied abroad returned to China last year, up from 72.38% in 2012, according to government figures.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/04/17/chinas-best-and-brightest-leaving-u-s-universities-and-returning-home/#6c049df01d41

    Not only that, the Chinese government has been luring foreign talents to live and work in China. For example , Dutch chemist Bernard Feringa, who won the Nobel for chemistry last year, and Swiss scientist Kurt Wüthrich, a 2002 Nobel Prize winner in chemistry have been granted Chinese green card.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  280. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Good questions. Personally, I’m not buying ElitistSettler’s Internet bragging (about his parents scoring smart in a dumb country) but it’s still interesting to see how divisive he is in his new home. They came to “dominate”, dammit! This is why borders must be closed.

  281. Discard says:
    @Anonymous

    Jews have successfully insulated themselves from the Goyim for millennia by teaching their kids to despise us as stupid and barbarous. The barriers have been falling because too many Whites have adopted Jewish values and hate the White “Others” too. The “stupid and barbarous” schtick is insupportable when the Goys act just like you, leaving only overt racism as a reason to avoid the Goy.

  282. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @PandaAtWar

    Haha. The “X chromosome” activists will continue peddling their wares regardless. The truth bring less “likes” than a feel-good narrative.

  283. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    I am white

    Nigga please! No one is buying that.

  284. Discard says:
    @Thomm

    How am I not successful? Must I have a 3000 sq ft house to be successful? Does owning a Ford mark me as a failure? Need I have a post graduate degree, and $100,000K in debt, to measure up? In the 18th Century, you would have been one of those oafish gentlemen who despised the yeomen for not wearing lace collars.

    If being a founder of the local Grange and building the local Grange hall is contributing nothing favorable to America, them I guess that my paternal great grandfather was a Wigger.
    If farming his own land, making firebricks in the winter and painting houses in the summer on the side, and marrying a local schoolteacher is not a contribution, then I guess that my paternal grandfather was a wigger.
    If rising from 13 year old coal miner to part owner of a small coal mine, then selling it to become a chicken rancher is not beneficial to the country, then I guess my maternal grandfather was a wigger.
    If railroad brakemen, welders, sheet metal mechanics, schoolteachers, librarians, tool and die makers, aircraft mechanics, dentists, accountants, nurses, bus drivers, and dairy farmers are non-contributors, my whole fambly must be Wiggas.
    I must have hit a nerve. You are overwrought.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  285. Discard says:
    @Thomm

    Really? Whites are hated by non-Whites because of this small fraction of racist losers who never contributed anything bring GoodWhites into disrepute? Jews would honor the Gentiles, Chinese would embrace the Foreign Devils, and Brahmins would accept Whites as sons-in-law if only those Rednecks would off themselves?

    • LOL: utu
  286. @Vinteuil

    So I guess you think the choice for white Americans is to be subjects of a technical overclass of (1) ethnic Asians we’ve imported, or (2) ethnic Asians back in Asia?

    Is that what he said?

    What if white Americans don’t want to be subjects of any technical overclass at all? What should they do?

    Take education seriously; take pursuit of knowledge seriously; pursuit excellence; get off the boob/porn tube (and equivalent); and the interim quit whinning. Your ancestors did pretty damn good. Don’t embarass them for God’s sake.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  287. Twinkie says:
    @ElitistSettler

    I detest self-declared “elites” like you. People like you destroy social cohesion and harm the country at large. It makes me angry that I bled overseas to make your smugness, ingratitude, and selfishness safe, profitable, and possible in my beloved adopted country.

    And I am an Asian immigrant… who is an immigration restrictionist.

    It’s laughable to read that whites now seem to want every manner of affirmative action to shield them from their own shortcomings.

    Well, we’ll see how you feel when your children are “elite replaced” by later immigrants with even greater contempt for native Americans than yours.

    • Agree: Benjaminl
    • Replies: @FKA Max
  288. @Yan Shen

    Are you sure you are East Asian? You display rather notable “verbal IQ”. Did you get an Ashkenazi Jew to write these posts for you? [/s]

  289. Discard says:
    @Myron Gaines

    The concerns of Joe Average are completely irrelevant… in a dictatorship.

    I don’t know that you are capable of recognizing non-economic externalities, but here are a couple. Look at ElitistSettler, comment #214. He admittedly comes here to dominate us. Can that be adjudicated? Perhaps you would be satisfied if ElitistSettler only dominated Joe Average, and left you alone?

    Second, the wealth of the West comes in large part from its high level of trust. People could put their time into productive activity instead of having to spend half their waking hours ensuring that they’re not being shorted. Ever do business with a Middle Easterner? Importing people from low trust societies, for whom cheating is normal, will assuredly impoverish us. Doing business will become much more risky, and many of those without recourse to lawyers will turn to violence, as is common in many places.

    Why should Joe Average consent to live under a government that ignores his interests? Why should he accept as neighbors those who will exploit him?

  290. Factorize says:
    @botazefa

    Thank you for your reply botazefa!

    Will you step up to the roll call?

    Will you acknowledge (hopefully without too many qualifications) that we have reached the point of technological ability in which current differences in IQ {that are endlessly discussed here and elsewhere} will be of little to no importance and that the real tidal wave of change that is rapidly approaching is the reassertion of socio-political power by the heartland demographic that has so often been disparaged?

    I am quite surprised how often the response to the possibility of 1500 IQ humans has been to obsessively focus on fractional IQ point differences between groups. How can this possibly be relevant? With current technology any two people (without almost no restriction) can have a child with higher IQ than any existing national group. How can high IQ be now as so exclusive when the club is open to one and all? Is everyone so fixated on their talking points that they will ignore reality?

    • Replies: @ElitistSettler
    , @TWS
  291. Okechukwu says:

    Derbyshire strikes me as one of those allegedly high IQ whites who are actually pretty stupid in terms of real intelligence. Separate him from his learned and assimilated comfort zone and he would fail miserably.

    We really have to figure out a new and accurate way to measure intelligence. A lot of actual retards sail threw IQ tests with flying colors. Yet when presented with situations that require quick thinking and native smarts, they’re useless.

  292. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Thank you, sir!

    Here is another Asian who gets it:

    Chinese N Maiden
    Posted December 12, 2017 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for replying. I can only say: “Of course I support Whites.” For me it is just a matter of principle. I have a conscience. I believe it is the human thing to do and that advocating White survival is right thing for humanity. Losing Whites would significantly alter the “human ecosystem” and therefore the fate of humanity. I believe we are better off with Whites than without them. This firm conviction is the result of my observation that Whites are simply human beings who have a good nature. There are always a few rotten apples in any people, but Whites, by and large, are naturally good human beings. They are born good and human, and so they are important for humanity. If you destroy any species in nature, the entire ecosystem changes. This will also happen to the world if Whites disappear. I find the prospect of a world without Whites quite frightening, and so we should really do something.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/12/dont-let-the-bastards-get-you-down/#comment-1396927

    This topic of racial differences in inherited personality traits is gonna be the next big frontier in LoveFacts, and it will cause even more hysteria from the equalist crowd than does the topic of IQ when it becomes common knowledge that characteristics like propensity to violence, sociopathy, conscientiousness, trustworthiness, and kindness are NOT equally and randomly distributed among the world’s races of people.https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/ashkepathy/

    http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2098646

    remember that it’s the individualists who seem to work together best towards the collective — the BIG collective — society as a whole — a nation, for instance. meanwhile, the “collectivists” (as hofstede calls them) — or the clannish groups (as i call them) — don’t manage to handle, or even to create, commonweals hardly at all.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/national-individualism-collectivism-scores/

    Source: https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/

    • Replies: @denk
  293. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    The links that I posted above give the best current estimate of the genetic architecture of human intelligence. These references suggest that there are perhaps 10-20,000 variants involved in shaping human cognitive ability with the overwhelming majority having minuscule effect size. These variants are thought to be scattered nearly randomly across the genome.

    Without any large effect size variants found to date, it becomes nearly a statistical impossibility to avoid the pull back to average through time. This can help explain the typically temporary or unstable success of a family or group.

    A very good analogy is winning the lottery. The prospects for two lottery winners marrying in order to increase the chances of having lottery winning children are not particularly favorable. There is little expectation that 1 in a million IQ parents will through a random genetic process also have 1 in a million IQ children. The parents simply were very lucky at the genetic roulette wheel, throwing the dice again is an independent event.

    Remember the breeder’s equation R=h2S
    Roughly, S=30 , h2=0.5, Children’s IQ = 115

  294. Don’t jump to conclusions. I suspect the temptation is quite strong for you because you are a female. I don’t think they have found all the genes that influence IQ and the mechanisms of their expression. So I would be quite cautious and skeptical about considering this study as the final word on this matter.

  295. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You know the Churchill anecdote that applies? (No, not the one in which a well-born lady (class being as valued back there as IQ here at Unz’s) told Churchill: “Imagine, if we married and had a child with your brains and my beauty”, to which he immediately responded:”But what if the child had your brains and my beauty?”.)

    But the one in which a lady tells Churchill: “Winston, if you were my husband, I’d poison your coffee.” And he responds: “Madam, if you were my wife, I’d drink it.”

  296. Yan Shen says:
    @Ron Unz

    You forgot about Whiskey’s uh endless promotion of black men as well. It’s sexy, sexy black men all the way down!

    One might refer to his worldview as cocknitive elitism, in contrast to the cognitive elitism which I often promote.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  297. Are you impliying that this Hernado Cortez-like jew take over of the american people dollar,press,political class,academia, etc can be explain due to that they are smart?
    If that is the case then the cuban are even smarter.
    Come down here to miami and take a look.
    And even if that is the explanation (wich i know is not),even if they are smarter,does that justified what they have done to the american people?

  298. @Factorize

    I have privately thought about this very topic for a few years now. The advent of CRISPR-Cas9 means we are a few short decades from the ability to reliably engineer 180 IQ humans. In the long run, it will become a moral imperative to genetically modify otherwise hopelessly obsolete zygotes. The modifications would initially have to draw on more desirable variants already present in the gene pool and, in the long run, could take the form of completely novel genetic variants that result in superhumans of unprecedented abilities and health.

    The editing technology is already there and it’s really only a matter of cataloguing the genes at play – a process which is being refined with an exponential trajectory. This technology is also the reason identity politics has a very definite expiration date. Identity, and its most societally relevant dimension – IQ, will soon become a choice. I just hope the US has the societal foresight to avoid prudishness about this. I suspect societies in Asia would be far less prudish and might therefore get a massive boost from its early implementation.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Factorize
    , @Anonymous
  299. @Discard

    It appears that lots of folks have gotten their panties in a knot over my use of the word “domination”. I assure you that most recent immigrants have no interest in having natives join their Amerindian predecessors on reservations. I think a good deal of nativist fear stems from a ridiculous phobia that we might be as terrible as you were to the “native” population of the continent.

    I was referring to a benign “domination” that, in a capitalist society, is universally beneficial. Our success will enable us to demand goods and services that benefit other producers in society. If you don’t see the logic in this line of argumentation, you are essentially a crypto-commie and there will be little common ground for continued conversation.

    It’s simply a fact that the H1B-fueled cesspools of Silicon Valley and NYC are the most important economic engines of this country. Our standard of living cannot be maintained on Idaho potatoes and Ohio corn.

    • Troll: AaronB, TWS
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Discard
  300. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Maybe it’s not such a good idea to invite change so eagerly. Your life is, obviously, like a box of chocolates right now.

  301. FKA Max says: • Website
    @ElitistSettler

    I suspect societies in Asia would be far less prudish and might therefore get a massive boost from its early implementation.

    More power to them!

    High IQ populations/individuals are a double-edged sword for ruling classes/castes. This move/experiment could majorly backfire for the Communist Party of China. High IQ individuals often sympathize with the egalitarian, idealistic, meritocratic values of the West and become dissidents, emigrate, etc. This is why soft power diplomacy/persuasion is such an effective approach/tool in international relations. The highly intellectual and intelligent are attracted to soft and just/fair power(truth), not to authoritarianism. It is much easier to rule over a mediocre IQ population, than to rule over a high IQ population.

    that’s all i’ve got for you today. the short of it is: i wonder if the reformations were a product of several tippining points in the selection for certain behavioral traits in northwestern europeans, among them individualism, universalism, and anti-corruption sentiments. and i don’t think the selection for any of these stopped at the reformation — northwest “core” europeans continued down that evolutionary pathway until we see at least one other big watershed moment in their biohistory: the enlightenment.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2016/01/31/some-very-random-thoughts-on-the-reformation/

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/urban-institute-naep-scores-by-state-adjusted-for-demographics/#comment-1515572

    Support for Free Speech: It’s an IQ Thing

    Sources: http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/11/free-speech-absolutism.html and http://www.unz.com/isteve/support-for-free-speech-its-an-iq-thing/

    Free speech and the Coalition of the Fringes

    Source: http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/11/free-speech-and-coalition-of-fringes.html

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  302. @Discard

    No, I fully understand your concerns. I certainly don’t want a flood of Middle Eastern immigrants coming here…but they are coming here because through welfare and entitlements, the Left has rolled out the red carpet for them. We cut off those things, and immigration will slow to a trickle. It will slow furthermore when, as libertarians want, we aggressively expand our capital to foreign lands and make them more productive.

    With the push and pull factors for migration removed, mass migration will be a thing of the past. At that point, I think fears of what will happen will be irrelevant. But I may be wrong, so I’m happy to support strong federalism and free association, further minimizing the risk of any issues.

    But I cannot justify infringements on people who merely want to move somewhere for work. Especially not on the basis of nebulous grievances like those of Joe Average or Derbyshire.

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @TWS
  303. Art Deco says:
    @FKA Max

    There are stated preferences and revealed preferences. Talk is cheap. Revealed preferences are that free speech is most objectionable to educational administrators and HR twits.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  304. @Anonymous

    Don’t jump to conclusions. I suspect the temptation is quite strong for you because you are a female. I don’t think they have found all the genes that influence IQ and the mechanisms of their expression. So I would be quite cautious and skeptical about considering this study as the final word on this matter.

  305. Vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    “Revealed preferences are that free speech is most objectionable to educational administrators and HR twits.”

    Ain’t that the truth!

  306. Vinteuil says:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    “Is that what [Yan Shen] said?”

    So far as I could make it out, yes. Why do you ask? Do you think I did his comment an injustice? How would you paraphrase it?

    “Take education seriously; take pursuit of knowledge seriously; pursuit [sic] excellence; get off the boob/porn tube (and equivalent); and [in] the interim quit whinning [sic].”

    This is all reasonably good (indeed, perfectly obvious) advice – but how would it stave off the ascendancy of a “technical overclass?”

    Think harder.

  307. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Are you a very driven and hard-charging person, and is your 160 IQ son as well? Because higher ambition could be the “real” reason for his higher IQ score test results.

    You might be heterozygous for the “warrior gene” and passed it on to your 160 IQ son, but not to your 130 IQ son, and thus he is more driven, competitive and ambitious than your “lower IQ test score result” son.

    The MAOA gene is X-linked meaning that women carry two copies of it and either have two copies of the low-activity or high-activity allelic variant of the gene, or one copy of each. Men only carry one copy; either the high- or low-activity version of MAOA.

    What this also means is that only mothers can pass on the different variants of MAOA to their sons, whereas both mothers and fathers each pass on one copy of MAOA to their daughters.

    So, unless the women, e.g. wives, concubines, female slaves, etc., Genghis Khan had offspring with also carried at least one copy of low-activity MAOA, Genghis Khan’s sons could not have been carriers of the “warrior gene”, but all his daughters would be carriers of his “warrior gene”.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2103967

    The most convincing “candidate” gene for higher intelligence, in my opinion, is the following one, and it is not X-linked, as far as I know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechol-O-methyl_transferase

    Northern Europeans have the highest frequency of blue/light eyes and of the COMT Met allele in their populations which translates into higher levels of frontal lobe dopamine, which is a proxy for increased cerebral blood flow during rest, which in turn is a proxy for intelligence and creativity (see above study). If East Asians were not such hard-working students http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2095195 and were not performing so well on standardized IQ tests due to their studying habits th[e]n the global correlation between IQ and population COMT Met allele frequencies would be even higher, in my opinion:

    Correlation of the COMT Val158Met Polymorphism with Latitude and a Hunter-Gather Lifestyle Suggests Culture–Gene Coevolution and Selective Pressure on Cognition Genes Due to Climate

    Davide Piffer, Anthropological Science, July 31, 2013

    Thus, the global correlation between IQ and Met allele frequency is r = 0.579 and highly statistically significant (n = 38; P < 0.001). This supports the prediction that populations with higher Met allele frequency have higher IQ, similarly to the correlation observed at the individual level.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2014/01/correlation-of-the-comt-val158met-polymorphism-with-latitude-and-a-hunter-gather-lifestyle-suggests-culture-gene-coevolution-and-selective-pressure-on-cognition-genes-due-to-climate/

    http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2098254

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anonymous
    , @FKA Max
  308. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen

    One might refer to his worldview as cocknitive elitism, in contrast to the cognitive elitism which I often promote.

    Good one! Note that Whiskey (like most WN losers) ranks at the bottom of both.

    Whiskey’s own blog had a picture of two men (one white, one black) kissing on the front page! Most WNs don’t admit their high incidence of homosexuality, but Whiskey let it slip.

    What was seen cannot be unseen by us normals, unfortunately.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  309. Vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    Thomm, Yan Shen, Truth – get a room.

    • Replies: @Truth
  310. Factorize says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Thank you very much for taking up my roll call challenge!

    I was trying for a simple yea / nay split, though I realized that the more intelligent on thread would want to add some qualifications.

    I think that it is fundamentally important to establish (especially on this forum with its focus on honest dialogue on difficult topics) whether the posters will cede to reality or will pursue a more idiosyncratic interpretation to the present psychometric technology. Objective reality is not open to negotiation! For those who attempt such bargaining the roll call moves from being a form of an intelligence test to a sanity test. Will this discussion devolve into a fantasy based portrayal of a world in which genetic engineering is somehow not on the table, allowing us to recycle similar arguments that have been proposed for likely for the last many centuries or will the implications of now being on the event horizon of the Genetic Singularity be addressed directly?

    Could I firm up your yea? It was somewhat non-committal.

    The 180 IQ decades from now future is what I had also been lead to believe would be our evolutionary path. Yet, this is greatly below the potential suggested by current research. For example, the best estimate as noted in my post above is that human IQ involves probably 10-20,000 low effect size SNPs. The probability that anyone could throw 20,000 consecutive heads in repeated coins tosses is very close to zero. This implies that we have not seen anything close to the maximum of human IQ. We can observe 180 IQ individuals with currently existing genetic technologies (i.e. typically natural reproduction). It is almost certainly true that even during the first round of genetic enhancement of IQ we will be moving beyond the maximal IQ that has ever been seen in a human. CRISPR should not even be necessary for this, mere selection should be sufficient.

    I would also suggest that this is no longer decades away but perhaps only months. 2017 has seen the first round of the unlocking of human IQ and Educational Achievement. A 1 million person sample is expected to move us through the phase transition which means that all of the SNPs should then be within reach. Ancestry.com is reporting a DNA database of 8 million people.

    These observations are all the more clear when you consider what has happened in farm breeding over the last century. Animals and plants with very very extreme phenotypes have been bred over the last century. It is abundantly clear that wild type phenotypes are typically an order of magnitude or two below what is possible with genetic engineering techniques .

  311. AaronB says:
    @FKA Max

    Are you a very driven and hard-charging person, and is your 160 IQ son as well? Because higher ambition could be the “real” reason for his higher IQ score test results.
    You might be heterozygous for the “warrior gene” and passed it on to your 160 IQ son, but not to your 130 IQ son, and thus he is more driven, competitive and ambitious than your “lower IQ test score result” son.

    Good stuff, Max.

    At a certain point they won’t be able to deny it anymore.

    Ron Unz deserves a lot of credit for opening minds on this subject with his excellent articles on IQ and meritocracy.

  312. @Arthur2017

    “America is dead. In the latter half of the 20th century it committed suicide in an orgy of ideologies: diversity, multiculturalism, feminism, queer rights, state welfarism, to name a few.” — Arthur2017

    The latter half of the 20th century began in 1950. At which time (1950), no one had even heard of “multiculturalism, feminism or queer rights” and “diversity” only occurred in the phrase “diversity of opinion.”

    As for “state welfarism,” medicare began in 1965 and food stamps in 1964. So you would do better to say “in the latter third of the 2oth century” than “latter half” as you have said. In 1950, the term “welfarism” was hardly if ever heard, and it was never an ideology so much as a set of related government programs and economic-political theories developed ad hoc in support of the phenomena of welfare itself. The biggest welfare program in the US in 1950 was the price-support program for farmers, guaranteeing minimal income for farmers of wheat, corn, etc., but heaven help the political candidate anywhere in the middle of the country who dared to refer to price-supports as “welfare.”

    I do recall that, around 1950, you’d hear the phrase “cradle-to-grave security” used often in political discussions. Having come through the Great Depression, most people supported the idea that the government should provide what could be termed “welfare” during hard times, but not otherwise. Then the term “safety net” became popular, which was probably the beginning of your “welfarism”.

    I am guessing that what you call “welfarism” means something like government programs to provide “guaranteed” medical care, higher education, minimum income, jobs and such. All that was thought back then to be “socialism,” and the original meaning of “socialism” as public ownership of the means of production had been forgotten. The last time that anything like Marxism was widely available to the American people was when the Socialist Workers Party made use of the equal-time doctrine to present an educational series of documentaries on mainstream television in 1948 0r 1952. Such event(s) spelled the end of the equal-time doctrine, with the concept of “equal time” continuing only in the various meta-debates held around the issue of the exclusion of minor parties from presidential debates (since the Kennedy–Nixon debates of 1960).

    If you want to talk about ideologies in the latter half of the 20th century, you really want to talk about the big two ideological religions: Communism and anti-Communism. Of course, from about 1975 to 2000, there was a big deal about Feminism, but that has fizzled out. And there is still a big deal about Environmentalism, but that whole thing has gotten smushed since the Green Party got lost and could not even get Kerry to join with them in their union with the Libertarian Party to contest the clearly fraudulent machine count in Ohio in 2004,

    “And here I am, stuck in the middle with you.”

    • Troll: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  313. Truth says:
    @Vinteuil

    We’re have one, at the 2018 Amren conference!

  314. “And their high IQ is more visuo-spatial than verbal, giving us more engineers and scientists, fewer writers, lawyers, comedians, movie and newspaper moguls.”

    Sounds pretty good to me – high IQ, low crime, apolitical and not getting us into wars in the Middle East.

  315. Jaylon says:

    Just snikering at the term i saw in one of the earlier comments ” benign domination ” – its Exceptionalism at work, clearly. Fact is dominattion will never be benign. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. domination = power.heck, USA has been using its “benigh domnation” to cause havoc and misery all over the world since the end of WW2.

  316. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    Because higher ambition could be the “real” reason for his higher IQ score test results.

    Not if the IQ test is done properly. Ambition can help with accumulation of knowledge and it’s crucial for “real world” achievements but it doesn’t change the intelligence. No one is going to abandon the test because they lack ambition.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  317. Discard says:
    @ElitistSettler

    We know how the elites dominate the common folk in the non-White world. It is not a benign relationship.

    Opposition to immigration is not rooted in some ridiculous phobia, but in first hand observation of how you people act. I’m from Los Angeles, and cannot unsee what I’ve seen. 3rd Worlders, even the best behaved ones, ruin Western cities.

    How is your domination universally beneficial? A billionaire does not buy much more goods and services from the common man than a mere millionaire does. After all, how much can one man eat? The wealth of the elite is tied up in sophisticated financial skulduggery and the ownership of large properties that others operate for them. That is why FIRE (Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate) transactions are 40% of the economy, up from 8% when I was a boy. Where is the benefit to the bulk of the population? Where are the good jobs for the common man?
    I can see why you wish to disengage from this conversation, but your accusation of “Commie” because I question your domination of my country is a very weak smokescreen. But you may go.

    And, BTW, why should we want to maintain a standard of living driven by the products of Silicon Valley and NYC, which are electronic toys and unpayable debt? Productive work, good neighbors, family, books, a paid for house, Idaho potatoes and Ohio corn are enough. You can’t eat silicon.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    , @ElitistSettler
  318. Discard says:
    @MyronGaines1337

    I am from Los Angeles. The city has entered a death spiral. It will go bankrupt because the poor foreigners work off the books or if lawfully employed do not make enough to pay taxes, and the rich foreigners evade the taxes, and both groups demand all the services they can get. The immigrants, legal or not, whether dumb Mexicans or smart Chinese or crafty Iranians, do not respect our culture, our laws, or us. When there are enough of them, Whites cannot bear to live among them and their corrupt and dishonest ways. Blacks and their pathologies are not the only motivators for White flight. You might call it “free association” in actual practice. If you don’t like your hostile new neighbors, you can move.

    Nation wrecking is not a nebulous grievance.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  319. @AaronB

    What hard work do you want whites to do if they are going to be kept out of elite institutions by government policies? Our elite would allow every group to organize to advance white interests except white men.

  320. Numinous says:
    @Discard

    I’m from Los Angeles, and cannot unsee what I’ve seen. 3rd Worlders, even the best behaved ones, ruin Western cities.

    How exactly have the “best-behaved Third Worlders” “ruined” Los Angeles? Are they the ones who started the recent fires?

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @Hare Krishna
  321. Numinous says:
    @Discard

    Not wanting to pay taxes has been the raison d’etre of red-blooded conservative America since before the Revolution, so I’d say your villainous immigrants are following a noble tradition.

    • Replies: @Discard
  322. denk says:
    @FKA Max

    Chinese N Maiden,
    ‘Thank you for replying. I can only say: “Of course I support Whites.” For me it is just a matter of principle. I have a conscience. I believe it is the human thing to do and that advocating White survival is right thing for humanity. Losing Whites would significantly alter the “human ecosystem” and therefore the fate of humanity. I believe we are better off with Whites than without them. This firm conviction is the result of my observation that Whites are simply human beings who have a good nature.’

    Arundhati Roy,
    “Exposing Western hypocrisy – how much more exposed can they be? Which decent human being on Earth harbours any illusions about it? These are people whose histories are spongy with the blood of others. Colonialism, apartheid, slavery, ethnic cleansing, germ warfare, chemical weapons – they virtually invented it all. They have plundered nations, snuffed out civilisations, exterminated entire populations. They stand on the world’s stage stark naked but entirely unembarrassed, because they know that they have more money, more food and bigger bombs than anybody else

    One of the above is smoking some top grade crack !

    Chinese Maiden,
    ‘ There are always a few rotten apples in any people, but Whites, by and large, are naturally good human beings. They are born good and human, and so they are important for humanity. If you destroy any species in nature, the entire ecosystem changes. This will also happen to the world if Whites disappear. I find the prospect of a world without Whites quite frightening, and so we should really do something.’

    Hey honey !
    In case you havent noticed,
    Chinese are being singled out for ‘special treatment’ in a white dominated world.
    Every other day I read about Chinese being abused/harrassed/assaulted in public,
    I’ve documented dozens of cases here alone.

    Here’s the latest episode….

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/12/WS5a2fe49da3108bc8c672b069.html

    So dream on in your fantasy world …until one day you become the victim of another hate crime !

    • Replies: @edgeslider
    , @Discard
  323. Discard says:
    @Numinous

    Third Worlders can’t see how they’ve ruined the town because, even in its despoiled state, it’s so much more civil, honest, and well-kept than their native environments. Take someone out of a sewer and put them in a gutter and they’ll call it paradise.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  324. @denk

    WTF, are you trying to start a new “Chinese Lives Matter” movement? You are the one smoking crack for lapping up the vomit of yellow journalism

    • Replies: @denk
  325. Discard says:
    @denk

    So stay in China, away from those evil Ghost People. And close your borders to us.

    • Replies: @denk
  326. Discard says:
    @Numinous

    The revolutionary tax issue was about taxation WITHOUT representation in Parliament. Learn OUR history.

    Public infrastructure is paid for by taxes, so clearly most Americans have been honestly paying their taxes for some time. To the newcomers, it’s all just free stuff that just exists, just because.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  327. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Not if the IQ test is done properly.

    What do you mean by “done properly”?

    Here a comment that might interest you:

    His test scores place him among the smartest people on earth, and he attributes his high scores to habits he’s followed for decades. With diligent practice, says Rick, anyone can “pop their IQ up by at least 25 points, at least in terms of test scores.” A 25-point boost can make a huge difference in your kid’s education. Cash-strapped public school systems place the highest-scoring kids in special programs that offer excellent education programs with the best teachers. For instance, Rick says, “North Hollywood High has a ‘highly gifted magnet’ program and you need a 150 IQ to get in there.” (A 150 score is higher than 99.9% of test takers).
    [...]
    1. Take practice tests. It’s the number one []way to improve scores. IQ tests are meant to be given cold, so the primary way to do better on them is be familiar with the kinds of questions asked and how they are presented.

    Find out what kind of test your kid will be given in school, and go online and download as many practice tests as you can. When your kid is taking the official test, says Rick, “it will be harder to trip them out.”

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/boost-your-iq/#comment-2078664

    Are you the person/Anonymous with the 160 IQ test score son? If you are, did he take the test cold, or did he practice beforehand?

    Nobody knows how many of the people with high IQ test scores practiced beforehand and how many of them took the test completely cold.

    People usually don’t do their best on their very first intelligence, etc. test attempt:

    In 1982, American philosopher Ronald Hoeflin, who claims to have an IQ o[f] 164 or “125 to 175, depending on which cognitive abilities they’re tapping into” or 190 “on a good day”, in his own words,
    [...]
    American television producer Rick Rosner scored 44 out of 48 (1985) and 47 out of 48 (1991), along with a perfect score on Hoeflin’s Titan test, which together supposedly gives him an adult deviation IQ of 195.

    American bouncer-cosmologist Chris Langan took the Mega Test, using the pseudonym of Eric Hart, and supposedly obtained a 42 on a first attempt and a 47 on a second attempt. To explain his IQ, in his own words, he says he ended up “setting a record score” which correlated to an IQ of, in his own words, “somewhere between 190 and 210″.

    http://www.eoht.info/page/Mega+Test+IQ

    We also know that East Asians in the U.S. practice more and study harder than any other race for standardized tests: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/01/19/study-finds-east-asian-americans-gain-most-sat-courses

    Again, in case you are the person/Anonymous with the two intelligent sons; I believe your two sons are probably equally intelligent but not equally ambitious/driven/compulsive and that is why your one son has (an) IQ test score(s) which are(/is) +/- 25 points higher, or your 130 IQ test score son just had a “bad or normal” day when he took the test and your 160 IQ test score son had a “really good” day when he took his test.

    Q: What is a genius?

    A: An average student with a Jewish mother.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2100884

    Here the paper by Lisa Keister: http://www.soc.duke.edu/~lkeister/religionandwealth.pdf

    Moreover, both fertility rates and rates of female employment when children are young are relatively low in Jewish families (Chiswick 1986; DellaPergola 1980). Together these create high levels of home investment in child quality and ultimately lead to high educational attainment and relatively high returns to educational investments(Chiswick 1988; Lehrer 1999; Wilder 1996; Wilder & Walters 1998).

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2073999

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anonymous
  328. @Discard

    There are natural experiments here in the US examining a range of immigration scenarios. There is a LA on the one hand and places like West Virginia on the other. I think we don’t have to make any crazy assumptions to imagine what Whitopia might look like. West Virginia is about as white as it was 50 years ago and dirt poor, riddled with drugs and chronically on the verge of collapse without a constant infusion of federal tax dollars. There is a reason for the nightmare traffic jams and rocketing home prices of the LA area – it’s a desirable place to live for most people. Not so with places like West Virginia. Now, you may aesthetically dislike the babble resulting from mass immigration, but I’d argue that bread and butter issues take precedence for the vast majority of folks. It’s easy to strike a romantic tone about an America without Silicon valley or NYC but, by that standard, the Whitopia of rural Russia or Belarus, or Moldova or Ukraine must be a beautiful thing. Surveys of global happiness haven’t borne that out.

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @TWS
  329. AaronB says:
    @FKA Max

    Preach it, brother.

    Glad to see you put your considerable research skills to good use finally.

    In ten years from now when people wont take IQ seriously you will be proud to have been one of the first with independent critical thinking skills.

    The revolution proceeds one person at a time.

  330. Vinteuil says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    Just when I had almost succeeded in forgetting that scene from Reservoir Dogs.

  331. Truth says:

    Damn Derb,you’ve had over 1,000 responses on your last two posts! All this time you though bashing knee-grows was going to be your ticket to the top of the Unzista playlist, it turned out it was bashing/supplicating slant-eyes!

    • Replies: @denk
  332. Discard says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Your comparisons are invalid. A proper natural experiment needs to limit the variables. Pairing L.A. with West Virginia or Ukraine introduces too many. Try comparing today’s L.A. to L.A. in 1957. That was a high trust, low crime city. My house had louvered windows, and every little boy knew how to slip them out of their place and get in the house, should he be locked out. Nobody had deadbolts or alarms. When somebody stole eleven dollars worth of groceries out of my dad’s unlocked car, two cops came to the house to take a report, so rare were such crimes.
    When I last checked, about 2011, my high school was graduating one out of eight students. In the 1950s, almost everybody got their diploma.
    L.A. did have its home grown minorities then, more than many places, but White supremacy was the rule, and even the Diversity were better off for it.

    If your standard of happiness is having the coolest phone and lots of debt, then being dominated by Silicon Valley and NYC is a good thing, but you don’t need to be a romantic to doubt that e-toys and debt servitude are things to wish for.

    • Replies: @ElitistSettler
    , @Anonymous
  333. @Discard

    You make a fair point in noting that my comparisons are limited by confounders. However, I would also note that your own comparison is similarly limited by confounding.

    There are factors that limit both the objective and subjective validity of your comparator.

    A tremendous deal more than just demographics has changed in LA over the past 60 years. In the 1960′s a man could graduate high school and cruise straight into a lucrative manufacturing job that afforded a standard of living that meant he would never feel compelled to steal a dime. The world is almost unrecognizably changed. This is the objective confounder.
    Then there is also the fact that this narrative is rooted in your personal experiences. This latter factor creates subjective confounding – how much of the perceived change is real and how much can be put up to potential personal nostalgia about bygone youth?

    I grew up in a largely middle eastern/jewish/east asian community where you can still leave your home and car unlocked to this day. I grew up in a community where the Iranian-american surgeon next door would likely only ever break in to perform CPR. Your utopia is not gone; it’s merely moved.

    • Replies: @Factorize
    , @Discard
  334. Factorize says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Yes, this is very true about urban life in general: if you stay in any one place for a long time the entire social context will change. The only way to stay with a constant social background is to move out when everyone else does.

  335. Numinous says:
    @Discard

    Third Worlders can’t see how they’ve ruined the town

    But for you, an exalted First Worlder, it should be easy to describe how.

    • Replies: @Discard
  336. Numinous says:
    @Discard

    The revolutionary tax issue was about taxation WITHOUT representation in Parliament.

    As a historical fact, this is accurate, but the way you are spinning this to counter what I said is BS on a massive scale.

    You talk about taxes being necessary to bolster a society and provide a high standard of living. Absolutely true, but that has nothing to do with representation. The British Crown was already providing all such services to Americans and more for the “meager” taxes they were able to collect from the colonists. How do you think they managed to maintain an infrastructure and military for the Indian Wars? And for the general expansion of colonists across the frontier? None of the returns from these investments were flowing back to the mother country, so denying representation was not the massive crime that many of you think it was. (Though on a matter of principle, I’m with the Revolutionaries.)

    Most of your villainous immigrants have no prayer of becoming citizens and even getting a vote, let alone representation in Congress. So by your own standards, they are within their rights not to pay taxes. But in the real world (unlike the fantasy tinseltown you inhabit), most of them do, at likely larger rates than natives, because unlike natives, they are almost all employed and get an income.

    Learn OUR history

    I already know it much better than you do. Just living in the country doesn’t make you automatically knowledgeable; it just makes you an entitled a******e. Magic Dirt, as many of you would call it!

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @TWS
  337. denk says:
    @edgeslider

    Guess whats these fuss all about ?

    **the gleam of light broke through the clouds.

    A Gleam of Light in Asia

    there is now “hope where only two weeks ago there was despair

    `HOPE…WHERE ONCE THERE WAS NONE

    the most historic turning point of Asia in this decade

    The West’s best news for years in Asia

    Vengeance with a Smile**

    who ‘d have thought that……
    , this was the “west” celebration of the 1965 fukus engineered bloodpath in indon, probably the worst genocide of the century.

    Time magazine celebrated “The West’s best news for years in Asia” under the heading “Vengeance with a Smile,”
    devoting 5 pages of text and 6 more of pictures to the “boiling bloodbath that almost unnoticed took 400,000 lives.” The new army regime is “scrupulously constitutional,” Time happily announced, “based on law not on mere power,” in the words of its “quietly determined” leader Suharto with his “almost innocent face.” The elimination of the 3 million-member PKI by its “only possible rival,” the army, and the removal from power of the “genuine folk hero” Sukarno, may virtually be considered a triumph of democracy.**

    lets hear it from the venerable NYT’s james reston
    this is the most hopeful developments in Asia………………………….
    “the savage transformation of Indonesia from a pro-Chinese policy under Sukarno to a defiantly anti-Communist policy under General suharto
    “:

    http://www.cyberspacei.com/jesusi/authors/chomsky/year/y501_005.htm#_Toc515081014

    **There was no condemnation of the slaughter on the floor of Congress, and no major US relief agency offered aid. The World Bank restored Indonesia to favor, soon making it the third largest borrower. Western governments and corporations followed along. **

    ——————————-

    Arunathi Roy 1
    Chinese maiden 0

    —————————-

    You are the one smoking crack for lapping up the vomit of yellow journalism

    Did the truth hurts ?

    • Replies: @Discard
    , @Discard
  338. denk says:
    @Discard

    kid,

    I dont live in murika and have no wish to visit that banana republic,
    neither am I from China.
    But afaik, there aint no hate crimes against whiteys in China and they’r open to all visitors.

    • Replies: @Discard
  339. denk says:
    @Truth

    If Jd loathes slanty eyes, why did he marry one , is he a masochist ?

    • Replies: @Truth
  340. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    “Done properly” means a culture-fair test measuring fluid intelligence. Your first link doesn’t contain the “Rick’s” story at all and the second is obviously describing a faulty test:

    To answer this question, one must be well-read. In particular, one has to know a popular term used commonly in literature from 1650 to 1850, which is found in 19th century dictionaries of slang, phrase, or fable…

    So I’m not going to waste my time examining the rest. You have over a thousand posts on this site and you’re still clueless about intelligence. I can only assume that you’re grinding this axe because your own IQ score was disappointing. Fine – use that disappointment to create a non-snake-oil-salesman programme to make us all 25 IQ points smarter. You’d become a billionaire overnight.

    • Replies: @Factorize
    , @FKA Max
  341. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    One non-snake-oil-salesman way out is genetic enhancement which is expected to add over 1000 IQ points to human intelligence.

    Why do we continue to fixate on the world of the unmodifieds and the endless problems that such a world creates? Even the nominal topic of this blog (Keep out smart people because they upset the natives) adequately illustrates the convoluted logic that is required when the future is determined by a random roll of the genetic roulette wheel.

  342. Truth says:
    @denk

    That’s why I put bash/supplicate; it’s complicated. It’s kind of like Winston “loving” big brother.

  343. The worst thing the conservatives did was letting go of education, in specific higher ed. Once the menacing tribe took over academia, it was all but over. From there they brainwashed a whole new generation of journalists, educators, lawyers, entertainers who then go on to indoctrinate and browbeat everyone else into submission.

    And the takeover of higher ed begins with Harvard. The menacing tribe understood long before everyone else the importance of controlling Harvard. Whatever Harvard does, all other institutions follow. Harvard grads directly or indirectly control office of the presidency, msm, Wall Street, the judiciary benches from SCOTUS down to all the federal courts, the DNC, the deep state, Hollywood, and now the new frontier, Silicon Valley. Now that they’ve fought hard to gain control of Harvard and its followers, i.e. all other elite colleges, of course the menacing tribe will not let anyone else take over.

    Blacks are favored over Asians because blacks are not real threats. Asians are restricted and only those who passed the ideological test as measured by their essays and social activism are allowed in. The only diversity the menacing tribe cares about is diversity of skin color, not diversity of thoughts, i.e. they want people who look different, but think the same. That’s why Asians who graduated from these elite schools are mostly Kool-aid drinking cucks, or as Priss Factor calls them, yellow dogs, crude but spot on. Famous yellow dogs include Ted Lieu(D-CA), Derrick Watson(judge in HI), Theodore Chang(judge in MD), and all other Asian DNC members. Brown dogs are even more numerous. From DC to SV and everywhere in between, Indians are some of the most progressive libtards we’ve seen.

    How to break the menacing tribe’s stranglehold on America that is steering it towards ruin? We either break the tribe’s hold on Harvard and all other elite institutions, or find a way to make these institutions irrelevant. Allowing more Asians and whites to attend will only increase those who get brainwashed then steered into prestigious positions. We need to make these institutions irrelevant. If all the smart Asian and white kids stop applying to these schools and begin enrolling in state U’s then go on to achieve prominence through their own ingenuity and hard work, the prestige of these schools will plummet and their stranglehold on our society will be broken. That is what I would like to see happen.

    The DOJ has much bigger fish to fry. Jeff Sessions needs to unrecuse himself and take over this whole DOJ-FBI-CIA-Uranium One collusion mess. He is sitting on potentially the biggest political scandal of our time that could finally bring down the Clinton mafia family and rock the DNC to its core, but he is instead busying himself with small fries like AA at Harvard. Who does it affect except a few hundred Asians each year? There are lots of other good schools for those crybabies to attend. Let Harvard go dig their own grave with AA and kill off their own prestige. Technology and high college debt will eventually drive them towards irrelevance anyway. Focus on what’s killing the nation in DC and drain the swamp once and for all.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  344. “Part Two of my answer: Jews are white, Asians are not, and while any overclass is resented, a racially distinctive overclass is resented more than one that barely looks any different from the resenters.“

    I can’t even begin to imagine what it must be like being Derb’s son.

  345. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Your first link doesn’t contain the “Rick’s” story at all …

    Yes it does, you need to click on the “[More]” option at the bottom of the comment http://www.unz.com/jthompson/boost-your-iq/#comment-2078664 , sometimes the Unz Review moderators “shorten” comments when they are too long or off-topic, etc.

    Here in my comments archive you can read the “un-shortened” version: http://www.unz.com/comments/all/2017/11/15/?CommentOrder=ASC&commenterfilter=FKA+Max

    So I’m not going to waste my time examining the rest. You have over a thousand posts on this site and you’re still clueless about intelligence. I can only assume that you’re grinding this axe because your own IQ score was disappointing.

    You are currently at the “name-calling” level of “Graham’s hierarchy of disagreement” http://www.unz.com/freed/fun-with-iq-deep-thought/#comment-2099750

    Following this hierarchy, Graham notes that articulate forms of name-calling (e.g. “The author is a self-important dilettante”) are no different from crude insults.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(computer_programmer)#Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement

  346. Discard says:
    @ElitistSettler

    Utopia moved because dystopia immigrated.

    No, Iranian surgeons don’t break into your house. Medicare fraud is safer and more lucrative. But even without crime, Jews, Middle-Easterners, Orientals and Hindus bring their contempt for working class people. This lack of noblesse oblige makes them our enemies, not our leaders.

  347. Discard says:
    @Numinous

    No, it’s not easy to describe light to a blind man.

  348. Discard says:
    @Numinous

    “No taxation without representation” was a primary slogan of the Revolutionaries. Their grievance was exaggerated because the taxes demanded did not cover the costs to Britain of defending the colonies, but that was still their grievance, no BS. My own view is that the colonial landowning elites were put out at having lower social status than their English counterparts, despite having far larger estates or fortunes in many cases, and so they manipulated the masses for their own ends.
    During the Revolution, the revolutionary legislatures established taxes (very unpopular with the non-revolutionaries, who regarded the legislatures as usurpers), and once the Revolution was won, the states, now legitimate, passed and enforced their tax laws. In cases where the taxed felt themselves unrepresented in the legislatures, there was even armed resistance, but by and large, the tax issues were resolved by having representation. Until the South/tariff issue came up later.
    Class is over.

    As for foreigners, taxpayers or not, they have no right to even be here. It is a privilege. Given the presence of entitled a*******s like yourself among them, perhaps they’ve too much privilege. The Magic Sewage has failed.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  349. Discard says:
    @denk

    400,000 dead is not the worst genocide of the century. Learn to count.
    And if the Indonesians hate the Chinese, their close neighbors, so much, who are we to judge?

    • Replies: @denk
  350. Discard says:
    @denk

    AFAIK, China will not let Whites become citizens, and I’m fine with that. China for the Chinese!

    • Replies: @Anon
  351. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Discard

    China will not let Whites become citizens

    Wrong. Non-Chinese can become Chinese citizen. What China doesn’t allow is dual citizenship.

    This American woman is a Chinese citizen.

    • Replies: @Discard
  352. Discard says:
    @Anon

    Like I said, AFAIK Whites cannot become citizens, but you apparently know something I did not. So, how many Whites have become citizens of China? And can they vote in the local elections?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  353. Discard says:
    @denk

    My guess is that Time magazine was celebrating the deaths of 400,000 Reds rather than 400,000 Chinese. IIRC, Henry Luce, founder of Time Magazine, was a Sinophile and a staunch anti-Communist. As I recall the news in 1965, Sukarno warned of an impending Communist coup to be hatched by the local Chinese, and the Indonesians took the opportunity to kill off their hated, non-Indonesian elite shopkeepers.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
  354. denk says:
    @Discard

    ’400,000 dead is not the worst genocide of the century. Learn to count.’

    That was only partial, you miss that part,
    ‘ The elimination of the 3 million-member PKI by its “only possible rival’

    Mind you the victims werent armed to the teeth ‘insurgents’ like those sent into Syria by Washington to fight Assad.
    Those Indonesian ‘commies’ were defenceless civilians slaughtered by crazed jihadists death squads sent out by the Washington trained and supported Indonesian army in the middle of the night,

    ‘And if the Indonesians hate the Chinese, their close neighbors, so much, who are we to judge?’

    Except thats a CIA/MI6 engineered regime change, to replace a pro China prez Sukarno with Washington’s puppet Suharto.

    Here’s Washington/London’s judgement on that hit,
    The West’s best news for years in Asia
    You miss that one out ?

    SOB were so pleased with that 1965 caper, fondly remembered by veterans in the Company as one of CIA’S greatest hit, they orchestrated an encore .

    By 1989,
    Washington’s man Suharto’s misrule and wanton corruption had led to widespread social discontent and unrest.
    His regime was deemed untenable in Washington, murkkan commercial interest was in jeopardy.
    the puppet was past his ‘used by’ date, he got to be replaced.
    To that end, CIA got its man general Wiranto, Suharto’s son in law no less, to instigate massive social unrest,
    standard CIA M.O.

    Once again , they targeted the ethnic Chinese.

    The CIA engineered 1989 pogrom against Chinese Indonesians,

    http://www.converge.org.nz/hrag/indochinwomen.html

    ———————-

    Arunathi Roy 2
    Chinese maiden 0
    [hint] the final score is a bloodbath.

    Who’s the one smoking crack ?

    ——————————-

  355. denk says:
    @Discard

    As I recall the news in 1965, Sukarno warned of an impending Communist coup to be hatched by the local Chinese,

    The rumor was spread by Suharto clique and his CIA mentors,

    Thats exactly how CIA/MI6 fingered the ethnic Chinese for slaughter,

    MI6 hatched a devilish plan to frame the ethnic Chinese as China’s 5th columnists in an ‘impending coup’,
    The fourth means of support was propaganda operations. On 5 October a “political adviser” at the British intelligence base in Singapore reported to the Foreign Office in London that: “we should not miss the present opportunity to use the situation to our advantage… I recommend that we should have no hesitation in doing what we can surreptitiously to blacken the PKI in the eyes of the army and the people of Indonesia”. The Foreign Office replied: “We certainly do not exclude any unattributable propaganda or psywar [psychological warfare] activities which would contribute to weakening the PKI permanently. We therefore agree with the [above] recommendation… Suitable propaganda themes might be… Chinese interference in particular arms shipments; PKI subverting Indonesia as agents of foreign communists

    http://markcurtis.info/2007/02/01/us-and-british-complicity-in-the-1965-slaughters-in-indonesia/

    CIA fabricated the ‘evidence’…

    ‘ The techniques of the Indonesian destabilization were classic: CIA agents planted caches of arms that would then be “found” by Indonesian police under the watchful eye of the alerted media. Along with the arms would be all kinds of forged documents proving that the Communists were fomenting a violent uprising. Propaganda agents planted stories in the media, inflaming the mistrust of the Communists. Others gave speeches. The situation heated up until some generals in the Indonesian army were killed, and the boil of tension burst’

    http://www.whale.to/b/indonesian_genocide.html

    • Replies: @denk
  356. denk says:
    @Discard

    non-Indonesian elite shopkeepers.

    The vast majority killed were neither commies nor ‘elites shop keepers’,
    they were simple kampong folks who’r dragged from their beds in the middle of the night and slaughtered like sacrificial lambs.

  357. Numinous says:
    @Discard

    In cases where the taxed felt themselves unrepresented in the legislatures, there was even armed resistance, but by and large, the tax issues were resolved by having representation.

    Then that’s what you should do with your current crop of immigrants, legal or otherwise. Give them representation pronto! (By your own logic.) If you feel they don’t pay taxes (untrue, but I’ll play along), it’s perhaps because they resent their “lower” status vis-a-vis natives.

    Class is over.

    Good try, but there’s nothing you said that adds to what I said. And there really isn’t much you can add to what I already know about American history and politics.

    As for foreigners, taxpayers or not, they have no right to even be here. It is a privilege. Given the presence of entitled a*******s like yourself among them

    I live in my country, not in America, so save it.
    And you hardly get a veto over who has the right to be in America. If a majority of Americans as fine with immigration, you’ll just have to such suck it up and tolerate “foreigners” in your midst. If you can’t, you’ll just have to find yourself a mountain hideaway and pass your days. Waxing nostalgia for the hallowed ’50s won’t get you anywhere.

  358. Discard says:

    No, if it’s choice of giving them representation or doing without their presence and their taxes, we should expel the great majority of the immigrants.

    What you don’t know about American history is that the most inflammatory aspect of taxes was not that the people were taxed, but that they had no say in how they were taxed. You fail.

    I individually do not get a veto on immigration, but the mass of pissed off White Americans will. This country is gunning up, a very clear sign that a lot of people want to shoot somebody. White moderates may not be arming themselves, but they will choose White Nationalism over multi-cultism. They already have in their personal choices. I even know lots of “progressives”, and they live White lives in White neighborhoods and send their kids to White schools, paying private tuition if they have to. “Diversity” is acceptable only in limited amounts, carefully screened for quality. Don’t be taken in by the official lies.

  359. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    The most convincing “candidate” gene for higher intelligence, in my opinion, is the following one …

    Via Emil Kirkegaard’s Twitter account; his comment “More failed candidate gene ideas.”

    Associations of the COMT Val 158 Met polymorphism with working memory and intelligence – A review and meta-analysis

    Abstract
    The Val¹⁵⁸Met polymorphism influences the activity of the Catechol-O-Methyl-Transferase (COMT), an enzyme involved in dopamine metabolism. Dopamine availability is vital for prefrontal functions. Therefore researchers claimed that Val¹⁵⁸Met is causal for cognitive abilities. Published findings from single studies report mixed results. This meta-analysis examines the COMT genotype associations with working memory and intelligence in healthy populations. A systematic literature search was conducted yielding 412 studies, 58 of which could be included in the meta-analyses. There were no substantial COMT Val¹⁵⁸Met effects on cognitive abilities, showing that either the true effect is zero or too small to be uncovered due to insufficient power of the analysis.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320366949_Associations_of_the_COMT_Val_158_Met_polymorphism_with_working_memory_and_intelligence_-_A_review_and_meta-analysis

    I am not quite convinced that this is another failed candidate gene idea, but rather that this could be more evidence that IQ tests don’t fully test and assess cognitive abilities; I have commented on this before:

    Following is my position on IQ tests. Maybe instead of “IQ test”, it should more accurately be called a “ Formal Education Potential, Quality and Attainment test” or something like that. I still feel the tests are useful and can offer some interesting insights, but they surely are and should not be the be-all and end-all tool of how we organize and structure our nations and societies, IMHO:

    I think what is important to reiterate is that IQ tests seem to measure and predict certain things very accurately, e.g., better cognitive performance/functioning under pressure/stress, educational attainment, income, possibly testosterone and dopamine levels, etc., but they do ironically/paradoxically only seem to test “intelligence” to a limited extent, at least that is my best, current understanding and interpretation of the data I have researched thus far.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-of-racial-differences-in-intelligence-updated/#comment-1898375

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2072872

    Here another of my previous comments on this potentially highly problematic dynamic:

    Personally, I still feel the Hampshire et al. paper has value. Specifically, I strongly agree with the following statement from the paper:

    Historically, research into the biological basis of intelligence has been limited by a circular logic regarding the definition of what exactly intelligence is.

    This exactly is my greatest concern as well.

    [...]

    … our educational, economic, etc. systems do not care to or are not capable of identifying [highly intelligent persons] anymore.

    I believe, that the reason for this is due to our too great reliance on and confidence in IQ testing to identify geniuses. I think IQ testing started off with good/noble/idealistic intentions, but it has turned into a self-defeating feedback loop, which actually discriminates against authentic geniuses, in my opinion.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-of-racial-differences-in-intelligence-updated/#comment-1899611

    Here Mr. Kirkegaard’s tweet:

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  360. I was taught that the mean for iq tests are always 100 by definition for given age group. What is this about a mean of seventy?

  361. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    I found a very nice cached article and graphic on the topic and archived it, so Unz Review readers can have access to it:

    Performance Under Stress: Are you a Strategist, a Warrior, or a hybrid of the two?

    The genetic variation in COMT appears in the population in three different forms. The three forms of COMT result in three different levels of COMT activity (low, medium, high), and in turn, three different amounts of dopamine while at rest or stressed. A more active version of COMT removes dopamine more quickly from the brain, while a less active version takes longer to clear dopamine, resulting in longer reward and motivational effects. At rest, high levels of dopamine are optimal as they allow for efficient information processing and improved attention (4). During periods of high stress, what is optimal reverses; dopamine levels that are too high actually negatively impact cognitive functioning (5,6).
    [...]
    Strategists [mostly Northern Europeans, and includes Ashkenazi Jews] are likely better able to maintain optimal alertness at rest due to high levels of dopamine, but excessive levels of dopamine during stressful situations can interfere with conscious control and emotional regulation, which can result in poor in-the-moment decision-making.

    Warriors [mostly Africans and East Asians] may have lower levels of dopamine and attention at rest, but an influx of dopamine during stress can push you to an optimal state for decision-making (6).

    The hybrid Warrior-Strategists are less-well characterized. Warrior-Strategists typically express qualities of both the Warrior and Strategist and demonstrate the ability to find optimal decision-making both at rest and under stress.

    Archived version of article: http://archive.is/KmRPE

    Figure [see below]: The activity of the COMT enzyme has a direct and inverse effect on how much dopamine is in the brain, which influences maintaining focus at rest and during stress. Strategists have a less active variant of the COMT enzyme, Warriors have the most active. Hybrid Strategist-Warriors have a version of COMT that falls somewhere in the middle. Gift: You may have a genetic advantage that can help you stay focused. Opportunity: This is an opportunity to conquer your DNA by knowing where you may need to train your efforts to remain focused and calm. Having both a gift and opportunity indicates a mixed response that can draw from either the Strategist or Warrior playbooks.

    What effect can these profiles have on us in real-life situations? For a Warrior, maintaining focus during stressful competitions can be extremely beneficial, but losing focus during regular, repetitive training can result in overtraining and injury, or disengagement and boredom. A Strategist might struggle to avoid the negative impact of stress during competition, over-thinking and underperforming, while being better able to perform during training.

    Archived version of graphic: http://archive.is/q7Zh5

    And a good video:

    Does IQ Really Measure How Smart You Are?

    Published on May 1, 2017

  362. Let me tell you something!
    I have met many Jews, many Germans , many Russians, many French,many Hungarians,many Serbs.
    They were all proud of their civilization and their heritage.
    Than I have met many Italians
    Non of them knew anything about history of Rome. non of them knew about how magnificent was the Roman civilization. How Rom was for centuries the shining example for other civilizations.

    And sadly I have to say that is going to happen to US civilization

  363. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Discard

    1957 also had different levels of technology and wealth structure and job structure which in all fairness introduces its own variables.

  364. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Discard

    China permits family-based citizenship as pretty much expected. Not sure where you’re coming up with the ideas. And no one can vote in “local elections,” such a concept doesn’t really exist, although a handful of white foreigners have become Communist Party members which allows them to participate in local selection of officials.

    There’s no racial rules in Chinese immigration law, obviously. But there are things which could be used as such, such as family-favoritism(if your family was from China, immigration is easier). Anyway, Daniel A Bell is a citizen and while he complains about China not importing fast enough, he mentions that there’s really nothing preventing whites from being citizens.

    However, you have to renounce any other citizenships – dual citizenship is prohibited except on a case-by-case basis(like being a British citizen in Hong Kong, those are allowed). This is usually a nonstarter for any American.

    The rules are:

    1) Have Chinese national close relatives(marriage, usually) AND Have settled in a part of China
    2)OR have other legitimate reasons for citizenship.

  365. Factorize says:

    My online university recently forward me an offer to go to China to study. Considering the psychometric profile of China I was very flattered.

    In light of the topic of this thread, this has me wondering: how long will it take before the fear in many Western nations will not be that too many smart foreign students are studying here, but that too many smart domestic students are studying in China? One of the invaluable benefits of being the nation that is first among equals is that there is a globe-wide attractive force drawing all top end talent to you.

    What happens when America is no longer able to rhetorically suggest that no more smart people are needed, but instead will be required to ante up a more attractive counter-offer to keep talented Americans and other people from all over the world in America? How long will it be before the magnetic force draws people to China? What will be the implications for America and the West when that happens?

  366. denk says:
    @denk

    Mark Green, The murkkan ambassador in Indonesia who oversaw the 1965 genocide, didnt rest on his laurel.
    He went on to orchestrate that infamous Chile’s 911, then in Australia he engineered to topple pro Beijing PM Whitlam, ….

    Hmm..
    Perhaps its just coincidence,
    Green happened to be the murkkan Charge d’affairs in Seoul, during the 1961 coup. !

    Both Suharto the uber genocidist and coup master Mark Green died peacefully at an ripe old age , lucky bastards !

    current scoreboard”
    —————————
    Arunathi Roy 5

    Chinese maiden 0

    [hint] the final score isnt a pretty sight !

    ————–

    Discard
    ’400,000 dead is not the worst genocide of the century. Learn to count.
    And if the Indonesians hate the Chinese, their close neighbors, so much, who are

    we to judge?

    As I recall the news in 1965, Sukarno warned of an impending Communist coup to be hatched by the local Chinese,’

    Moral of the story,……

    Just goes to show that murkkan MSM should carry a health message on their front page, much like what the cigarettes manufacturers are doing…
    This product is extremely dangerous for your brain, use it at your own risk’ !

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  367. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ElitistSettler

    The advent of CRISPR-Cas9 means we are a few short decades from the ability to reliably engineer 180 IQ humans.

    The implications are much more sensitive than engineering, e.g. high IQ Khoisan.

    It is highly likely that many key character traits – such as obedience vs. obnoxiousness, empathy vs. sociopathy, etc. have a strong genetic components.

    The upper classes and their apparatchiks will work hard to create a class of worker bees who are functionally intelligent but devoid of the ability to question the accepted order and to rebel.

    The well funded campaigns by Soros et al. to legalize and promote marijuana is a small step in this direction. CRISPR will exponentiate the ability to create the New Post-Modern Slave.

    • Replies: @Factorize
  368. Art Deco says:
    @denk

    Mark Green, The murkkan ambassador in Indonesia who oversaw the 1965 genocide, didnt rest on his laurel.
    He went on to orchestrate that infamous Chile’s 911, then in Australia he engineered to topple pro Beijing PM Whitlam, ….

    This place is a collecting pool of people who cannot distinguish between spy thrillers and current history.

    • Replies: @denk
  369. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    An interesting speculation!

    However, I would expect that in Western nations genetic enhancement will be driven by consumer choice.

    The future of the sociopathic genotype does not appear overly promising.
    The advantage of having a value system orthogonal to that of the mainstream of the community only exists when it is not easily detected. As soon as the human genome is unlocked all phenotypes would become uncloaked.

    I also consider the idea that the future will be a simple projection from the present unlikely. The very large scale shift in IQ and as you noted potentially for many other traits longevity, personality etc. that will be possible with genetic technology will result in a Singularity instead of an extrapolation.

    Anonymous would you like to also sign on to my proposal above about acknowledging reality? That is, a humanoid species of overwhelming intelligence is now possible and it’s arrival even over the short term can no longer be ignored. So much of the commentary on this forum is based on a make believe assumption that we have not already crossed a point of no return for IQ enhancement. It is urgently important that we begin to confront our future and not envision the future as our past.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  370. denk says:
    @Art Deco

    From the horse mouth,
    Insider info….

    VICTOR MARCHETTI, ex-CIA officer, 1980
    ‘The CIA’s aim in Australia was to get rid of a government they did not like and that was not co-operative… it’s a Chile, but in a much more sophisticated and subtle form.” ]-

    https://atlasmonitor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-real-reason-australia-pm-gough-whitlam-was-deposed/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  371. @Factorize

    Brain is like barn where hay is stored. with one special property.
    More hay is put in during childhood, barn actually grows. And that apply even for adulthood.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Factorize
  372. Truth says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Now you see, ladies, gentlemen, this is good.

  373. Factorize says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Yes, this is true about the brain having the capacity for neurogenesis.

    While from the psychometric perspective, there is the idea of g being a fixed property of the mind. So one could have a larger number of connections without having a brain with upgraded mental processing ability.

  374. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Orwellian State

    Priss believes that Asians are fundamentally barely even sentient and would care as much if you died horribly as seeing an ant accidentally stepped over. This is the level of people you think are on your side.

    And you want to be running dogs for them? They don’t have any use for us beyond gas chamber fodder, if even that.

  375. Art Deco says:
    @denk

    And you know he’s an ex-CIA officer how?

    The Australian Labor Party was and is a perfectly ordinary occidental social democratic outfit. Whitlam was dismissed from office by the Governor-General due to a legislative impasse and lost the subsequent election. It was all right there in the papers. It required no cloak-and-dagger nor is there any indication that the Ford Administration was peculiarly antagonistic to Whitlam or Helmut Schmidt or Harold Wilson.

  376. denk says:

    Attention WOZ, resident troll of UNZ !

    You have competition !

  377. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What is it with all the communist apologists in this thread? What are these people even doing on this website? They have the whole rest of the internet to play in.

    • Replies: @Truth
  378. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    My friend, welcome to what your contemporaries envision as the White Nation.

  379. @Numinous

    Being familiar with Los Angeles I would blame the white natives for having such a flimsy, super-liberal, snowflake culture to begin with that they were so quick to leave for a lot of the city’s problems. There was obviously something defective in the white culture there to begin with for it to fall apart so easily and for no one to be willing to defend it. Over-refinement and soft conditions perhaps? Definitely too much fragility. Obviously the whites didn’t think that what they had was worth saving.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  380. anarchyst says:
    @Hare Krishna

    You forget that the federal government imposed “fair housing” statutes and other “civil-rights (for some)” “protections that DO NOT APPLY to whites. If real estate restrictive covenants were still enforceable, the major cities would still be livable with almost all-white populations. Blame those of “the greatest generation” for foisting these unconstitutional laws on us at the force of gunpoint. Add to that the desegregation of the public schools that was also forced on us at gunpoint…
    I grew up in Detroit, and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit’s decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. “Blockbusting” by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: “A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx”. A “new family” was a euphemism for black families, and was used to “encourage” whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to “buy up” and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, “shacks” were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at “bargain basement” prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words “soul brother” was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the “angels of death” (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit’s first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit’s white citizens while “getting along just fine” with the “movers and shakers” (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)….
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young’s predecessor and was quite successful in “cleaning up the streets” of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as “decoys”. Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to “the great hereafter”. One of Young’s campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of “his people” were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city’s demise.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  381. @anarchyst

    Those laws were on the federal and state levels, and yet, they didn’t prevent resistance elsewhere. Even in San Francisco there was more resistance and reprisals than in L.A. , let alone in eastern cities such as Boston, Philly, parts of NYC, etc. The white culture in L.A. obviously had a defective element in it that did not exist elsewhere, or not to the same extent. It was too soft and Eloi-esque. It had lost its “street” element and so it is no surprise it failed.

  382. TWS says:
    @Ron Unz

    Of the Asians how much is due to cheating?

  383. TWS says:
    @Thomm

    Ah, now I see your true colors! You are a troll. An interesting variety of troll.

  384. TWS says:
    @Myron Gaines

    If we were all economic units you might have an argument. Since we are not we are a nation of humans your entire argument is invalid. This is my land, my country, my nation and Joe Average gets a vote too. If we don’t want your, ‘cognitive elite’ we don’t have to accept them regardless of how much money that will make anyone.

  385. TWS says:
    @Factorize

    Nothing human will have an IQ a fifth of what your spouting off about.

    • Replies: @Factorize
  386. TWS says:
    @MyronGaines1337

    Fortunately, you don’t have to justify anything except your own actions. The American people don’t have to justify anything to anyone but ourselves and our posterity. If we don’t want immigrants of any stripe it’s our business and no one else’s.

    If we want them all to go home that’s our business. They have to go back.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  387. TWS says:
    @ElitistSettler

    If you can’t tell the difference between Iowa and the Ukraine you really, really have to go back.

  388. TWS says:
    @Numinous

    Know the history, don’t know the history it doesn’t matter. It’s still our country. And you still have to go back.

  389. Factorize says:
    @TWS

    TWS, thank you for replying.

    It has been a struggle trying to engage posters on unz to consider the implications of an intelligence enhanced world.

    A fifth of 1500 gives us 300. 300 IQ is far beyond the level of intelligence that has been ever demonstrated by a human.
    Acknowledging that we will be able to greatly exceed current intelligence frontiers is a great step towards accepting reality.

    The broader implications of how genetic selection will shape our future communities is no less a compelling a topic. A community that was nearly illness free is no longer a far off dream.

    • Replies: @TWS
  390. Thomm says:

    Derbyshire didn’t do a good job making his case at all.

    This is partly due to his own hypocrisy in the matter. HE is an immigrant, and his wife is Chinese.

    This is also due to the fact that he believes immigrants can’t assimilate, even if they are educated. As a Brit, he still does not understand what it means to be an American. In terms he can understand, America would pass the ‘Cricket Test’, while the UK would fail it.

    • Replies: @Malla
  391. Thomm says:
    @TWS

    If we want them all to go home that’s our business. They have to go back.

    Except that WN losers don’t speak for successful whites. WNs are a retard sub-race of genetic waste matter.

    The US would be smart to halt most NEW immigration, but the US will never, ever expel those who are already US citizens. Never. It is not in our national character to do that.

    WN wiggers don’t grasp things like this, which is why respectable whites makes sure WN wiggers are excluded from polite society.

    • Replies: @Malla
  392. Hacienda says:

    You know that Derb is not addressing the white reader, but Asians.
    “Hey, Chinese, STOP coming here. You’re hurting me! Besides, you face grave danger! Grave danger!”

    Derb knows that Asians are an obliging people. But he doesn’t know is that younger Asians don’t give a sh+t.

  393. TWS says:
    @Factorize

    Anything with a 300IQ will not be recognizably human in any social sense. My brother had an IQ north of 150 and he was a green monkey. 300 IQ would not be able to communicate meaningfully with normal humans. While higher IQ is possible and desirable better changes would be zero defects and better health. Somebody will be discussing increasing IQ probably in China.

    • Replies: @Factorize
    , @TT
  394. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    This is also due to the fact that he believes immigrants can’t assimilate, even if they are educated.

    White immigrants can assimilate. East Asians in smaller numbers can. Others not so sure. Indian subcontinentals not so much except a tiny number.

  395. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    US will never, ever expel those who are already US citizens. Never. It is not in our national character to do that.

    It has to if it has to remain a first world country.

    respectable whites makes sure WN wiggers are excluded from polite society.

    LOL, respectable whites are the idiots who fell all this multicultural crap and the USA is turning into a shit hole.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  396. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    Malla, aren’t you an American citizen of Indian heritage?
    If so, I don’t comprehend the reasoning of wanting Americans to expel you.
    I’ve seen other Asian posters on Unz expressing similar opinions- Asians, even as immigrants or
    citizens must return to Asia to save America for white people.
    LOL. I don’t get. But I’m stupid in this field of thinking. Could it be these Asians have a kind
    of pre-fight surrender mentality. And where did this infection come from? Not China. India?
    Do Indians hate themselves so much that they are willing to go down as long as they take
    some non-Indians, especially Chinese, with them?

    • Replies: @Malla
  397. epebble says:

    Derb should send his memos to China too. They seem to be starting to import an immigrant overclass:

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/04/c_136872071.htm

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  398. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    I am an Indian citizen of Indian heritage who has lived in the west and other parts of the world on and off since childhood.

    LOL. I don’t get. But I’m stupid in this field of thinking. Could it be these Asians have a kind
    of pre-fight surrender mentality.

    This has nothing to do with surrender. We are not surrendering Asia. I am 1000% convinced that most of my fellow Indians are not first world quality people. It is just fact. Whites and East Asians have a greater probability to build better societies than browns and blacks. It is just a conclusion I have reached with study in HBD and observation of people around me, a mix of book knowledge and street knowledge.

    Do Indians hate themselves so much that they are willing to go down as long as they take
    some non-Indians, especially Chinese, with them

    Hatred? Facts are facts. Do I hate myself as a human if I say humans cannot run as fast as Cheetahs (without mechanical aid). Or say humans cannot fly as Eagles (again without artificial aid). Everybody knows that these are just facts nobody would accuse me of being a self hating human or surrendering the world to Cheetahs and Eagles. LOL.

    Secondly I see a global conspiracy which wants the White race to disappear. And this conspiracy has no love for us darkies and most probably will bring bad days for my coming descendants. You may find such conspiracy theories idiotic, you have the freedom to do that but I am convinced about this.

    Besides, I do not see anything morally wrong about the West being fully White or predominantly White.

    What I do not understand is why do some people have this overbearing desire to make very White nation on earth more ‘vibrant’?

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  399. @epebble

    Unlike the Derbyshire, China is intent on winning the AI race no matter what “overclass” people they bring in.

    • Replies: @TT
  400. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    @Malla

    I don’t see a global conspiracy. I see a multiple dimensional go game with billions of pieces where each piece takes on a different value as time passes. Sometimes a single piece can go from negative value to crucial value with one turn. And it’s really hard to tell which pieces will transform themselves in that way. Hasn’t helped me at all to lump all people by racial classifications and then assign them a lasting value. And when I’ve done so, it’s always backfired on me. LOL.

    Anyway, I don’t see what you mean by whites are “first-world”. I look around these days and most whites are fat, swaddling, and talk like 7th graders, watch 5 hours of TV a day, can’t spot France on a map, and get behind every kind of sexual perversion AFAICT. LOL. If this is your “first worlder”, you got nothing to be afraid of.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Thomm
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  401. Factorize says:
    @TWS

    TWS, thank you for responding.

    There is a great reluctance on this forum and elsewhere to engage with this topic. Yet, the very essence of this forum is to have mature discussions of difficult topics.

    Your responses indicate a certain degree of acceptance that super super high IQ is on the horizon. This is much more than others here are willing to admit. You are also quite correct in noting that this goes well beyond a single dimensional selection process. We have now entered a race to have children with the lowest risk of cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer’s …and at the same time having the highest IQ, best personality … 2018 is the year for a new humanity begins. The GWAS have been done and the race has begun.

    For those of a small government inclination, the question that should be suggested is what role will there be for government in the future? Within one generation of genetic selection, no citizens will require anything from government. How could government then expect taxes to be paid?

  402. Truth says:
    @Hacienda

    Anyway, I don’t see what you mean by whites are “first-world”. I look around these days and most whites are fat, swaddling, and talk like 7th graders, watch 5 hours of TV a day, can’t spot France on a map, and get behind every kind of sexual perversion AFAICT. LOL. If this is your “first worlder”, you got nothing to be afraid of.

    ‘Bout sums it up.

  403. Thomm says:
    @Hacienda

    Anyway, I don’t see what you mean by whites are “first-world”. I look around these days and most whites are fat, swaddling, and talk like 7th graders, watch 5 hours of TV a day, can’t spot France on a map, and get behind every kind of sexual perversion AFAICT. LOL. If this is your “first worlder”, you got nothing to be afraid of.

    Oh, as a white man, I can tell you that there are even stronger arguments than that.

    EVERY single atrocity imaginable has happened in Europe within the last 104 years (so not that long ago).

    *Genocide (we know about that one).
    *State backed beheading (France was using the guillotine until 1977. Maybe that is no more barbaric than the electric chair, but still)
    *Forced Sterilizations
    *Cannibalism (Ukraine during the Holodomor in the 1930s, and Russia in 1921).
    *Chemical weapons (used by France against Germany in WWI).
    *1.3 million men killed in brutal trench warfare (Battle of the Somme, 1916).

    Malla is absurd to assume all whites can suddenly become first world, when they did African-style things just decades ago.

    Plus, American whites are uniquely noble (excluding the WN wiggers), and non-American whites don’t have the same attributes.

    Plus, he has no clue about the character of the country. America will never, ever, ever strip US citizenship from someone who is a US citizen (even before you get into the matter of some other state having to agree to assign new citizenship to the person).

    But the biggest gap in Malla’s knowledge is his refusal to see the very high variance among whites. WN wiggers differ from successful whites by an even greater degree than some illiterate rural Indian differs from Sundar Pichai. If WN wiggers were given their own country, they would quickly make it worse than Rwanda.

    On top of that, WNs are disproportionately gay (as Jack Donovan has pointed out). This is consistent with the scientific fact that they represent genetic waste matter that the white race wants to expunge. Who would want to associate with that (answer : apparently 1 person out of 1.4 billion).

    If Malla wants to emulate a pro-US Indian, Dinesh D’Souza is a good role model. He even banged Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham back when both were in their 20s.

    Malla is also in denial that WN wiggers will accept him in any way, shape, or form. If he goes to an Amren conference, they will hate him no matter what his views are (WN retards hate Dinesh D’Souza who is very pro-US, and definitely not a fan of WN wiggers).

    As I have often said, Malla’s admiration for the WN losers (and by extension, blue-haired feminists), who are the bottom 20% of whites and thus no better than Africans, will backfire on him. His study of HBD is pretty incomplete if he has not noticed high white variance. He will learn the hard way.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Truth
    , @Malla
  404. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    I don’t see a global conspiracy.

    You don’t see it but it exists.

    Anyway, I don’t see what you mean by whites are “first-world”. I look around these days and most whites are fat, swaddling, and talk like 7th graders, watch 5 hours of TV a day, can’t spot France on a map, and get behind every kind of sexual perversion AFAICT. LOL. If this is your “first worlder”, you got nothing to be afraid of.

    Deliberately dumbed down done by the elites. Cultural destruction for a century, MK Ultra etc…. are responsible. But still more first world compared to the brown black masses of the world can ever be. In my experience working class Whites in Europe at least, in cognitive ability as well as other qualities equal brown management level folks who in my experience are better than blacks.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  405. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    Have you seen the black brown masses (not elites)? They are little better than animals, selfish thugs with little conception beyond the self. It is just that cultural destruction has not taken place in the same way as in the West but we are getting there.
    Would you thus encourage foreign immigration into these lands just because most of them are only little above beasts? And will they accept such mass migration. Indian slum dwellers do not even accept the migration of Indians from other parts of the country or Bangladesh, so why should Whites accept mass migration.

    Western Indians attacking a Northern Indian migrant, watch till the end

    Telling the poor man, you cannot come to our state and out sell our fruitsellers. Every tribe in the World does this, but White people do not have this right.

  406. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    EVERY single atrocity imaginable has happened in Europe within the last 104 years (so not that long ago).

    *Genocide (we know about that one).
    *State backed beheading (France was using the guillotine until 1977. Maybe that is no more barbaric than the electric chair, but still)
    *Forced Sterilizations
    *Cannibalism (Ukraine during the Holodomor in the 1930s, and Russia in 1921).
    *Chemical weapons (used by France against Germany in WWI).
    *1.3 million men killed in brutal trench warfare (Battle of the Somme, 1916).

    Dumb argument. War is different than peacetime. And who encouraged these wars? The so called White trash or elite bankers?

    Plus, he has no clue about the character of the country. America will never, ever, ever strip US citizenship from someone who is a US citizen (even before you get into the matter of some other state having to agree to assign new citizenship to the person).

    They have to, if they have to remain a first world country. If you cannot then, join da third world. You cannot have it both ways for long.

    But the biggest gap in Malla’s knowledge is his refusal to see the very high variance among whites. WN wiggers differ from successful whites by an even greater degree than some illiterate rural Indian differs from Sundar Pichai.

    There are such differences in all races. But LOL no way. Rural Whites are FAAAR more similar to successful Whites than rural Indians are to elite Indians. You got it the other way round. the Brown lower classes are like a different species compared to successful Indians. And even most of those successful Indians are not first world material. At most 5 to 10% of successful Indians (who themselves are a tiny minority of all Indians) really are First World material. Most of my friends are this kind.

    If WN wiggers were given their own country, they would quickly make it worse than Rwanda

    1000% wrong. White Trash, with cultural destruction reversed will easily build a first world country which brown blacks cannot make ever panting and huffing. White Criminal trash sent to Australia had already built up a far better society than most of the brown black world.
    Give a country to only Brown black elites and a different country to White Working class people and the the latter will be far more developed than the former (No Jewish influence in culture and finances). This is like a law. There are other factors at work too but in general this is law.

    If you are interested and if it is possible, we can experiment. I am 1000% confident I will be proven right.

    On top of that, WNs are disproportionately gay

    If you ask me most SJW leftard Whites are gay. WN being gay is the typical crap pushed around by mainstream media.

    If Malla wants to emulate a pro-US Indian, Dinesh D’Souza is a good role model.

    No he is not. I differ with him on many key points. He is a Western Civilization nationalist, a kind of civic nationalist, I support White nationalism. His theories have more use in the brown black third world, not the White first world. It is the brown black Third world who have to accept some qualities of pre WW2 Western Civilization (or Japanese/East Asian civilization) if they want any hope of improving their countries. All White nations have to so is remain White (90% to 100%), reverse the cultural destruction of the last century & beyond and remove the bankers and they are first world forever. First Worldism is in their DNA. We brown blacks have to to huff and puff and work towards it and still rarely reach it. That is our DNA. All thanks to Motha nature.

    Malla is also in denial that WN wiggers will accept him in any way, shape, or form. If he goes to an Amren conference, they will hate him no matter what his views are (WN retards hate Dinesh D’Souza who is very pro-US, and definitely not a fan of WN wiggers).

    LOL, why would I want to be accepted by anybody let alone White Nationalists? I do not desire any acceptance from White people. I do not think I am smart enough to speak at an Amren conference anyways.

    His study of HBD is pretty incomplete if he has not noticed high white variance.

    I am aware of inter White variance and I accept it. But the West is better off with the White elites working with the middle class and underclass and the brown blacks back in their country helping their own countries.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Thomm
  407. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    As I have often said, Malla’s admiration for the WN losers (and by extension, blue-haired feminists), who are the bottom 20% of whites and thus no better than Africans, will backfire on him. His study of HBD is pretty incomplete if he has not noticed high white variance.

    I do not know much about the US in this regard though I have been to the U.S. several times. But when I was studying my Engineering degrees in two Northern European countries. I had to work part time to support my expenses and when I did my PhD I did not get adequate funding as I was a non E.U guy so i had to work during the weekends. So I had to mix with many Working class Whites. I have worked in McDonalds, Supermarkets, Security companies, Clothing companies, bakeries, hotels during Christmas etc…. I can easily say this for sure and I was discussing this with another Indian friend who was a doctor doing a degree in genetics something, that White workers are intellectually and in other traits the same quality as our management class Indians. And he agreed. Indeed a White worker from Northern Europe can easily be a manager in the brown world and definitely the black world. And White manager level folks are equal to our CEO folks. I think for East Asians there is one to one parity with Whites but not for brown black people. Guess what, one of my child hood friends who worked for Indo Japanese Auto giant Maruti Suzuki (The car company with he largest market share in India) and was posted in Japan for some years told me the same thing about Japan too, that working class Japanese are easily equal to brown management class in abilities. He had come across Arabs and Africans too as he has worked around the world especially in the Middle East. Had a very low opinion of them in work abilities.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Thomm
  408. Malla says:
    @Malla

    That also explains why many White trash could go in the brown, black, red world and build successful societies. White trash and middle class Whites built Rhodesia, the Switzerland of Africa. Blacks take over and it goes downhill pretty fast. Similarly White farmers built South Africa, the most prosperous economy of Africa. Now it is going downhill too. Many serfs (trash of their day) from Europe migrated to North America and Australia/New Zealand and built first world countries. East Asian Chinese serfs migrated to Singapore and built a first world country. Same with Taiwan. Brown blacks do not seem to do that and just screw up everything. I hear of people talking about Mauritius. But you have to live in Mauritius for a couple of years before the underlying third worldliness of the place behind the facade hits you right in the face.

    • Replies: @TT
    , @TT
  409. TT says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Yes, but very selectively for strategic development like AI, Semiconductor,next Gen tech, whatever it needs like Japan did during their industrialization era,..without citizenship granted. Its central gov with its 1st class think tank won’t let interest groups hijacked national interests like US politicians did.

  410. TT says:
    @TWS

    Most East Asias & Singapore have Top10 median IQ ranking above 100. Russian, Germans, European, Eurasian scored lower. But Soviet was able to put man in Space 60yrs ago, which barely few countries could repeat even now, not even Japan. Look at all top research papers which race dominates you can get some ideas if IQ ranking really matter.

    IQ or PISA, SAT test… are skewed towards certain criteria. Many top scientists like Einstein probably will failed badly. There are factors like genes, social value, supporting conditions, luck, etc. So in ancient revolution, its always few strongest Alpha males dominate the reproduction of best females to pass down best genes, together with best supporting conditions for their offspring to succeed.

    Once, Singapore Lee Kuan Yew was trying to advocate polygamy(for abled men) as a way to resolve unmarried graduate women problem and (improve nation IQ), but its political suicide so he had to back down after feminist outcry. Most ancient civilization esp China, India,.. practise selective polygamy until 20th century western idea influence them.

  411. TT says:
    @Malla

    India has long history, well above many. In Buddhism context, India is known as Middle Country(not China) with the best Ariyan quality, where all Buddhas of past, present and future will appear. But current India is at the bottom, much due to its British colonial legacy unsuitable democratic system, historical caste & religions complexity, poverty and lack of good government leadership. If given equal condition, Indians will ascend like China did. Whites is very broad range as Thomm repeatedly pointed out, there are very smart one as well as many idiots. Same for China or elsewhere. But a highly developed society gave them better condition to progress relatively.

    One China scholar recently pointed out why China never view India as strategic competitor(much less an enemy that India envisaged) is it lacked potential to be one. India failed to do land reform after gaining independent, so their development will be very much restricted like a limping giant. Its not the Indian genes, although most Chinese even we Asean like to joke on them as pass time.

    The stupid Indians are keeping their problems to themselves, but the clever WN are exporting them all over the world. Who is better?

    • Replies: @Malla
  412. TT says:
    @Malla

    Highly selective immigration is the key point. To completely banned it, US will decay from its pole position which it achieved by attracting the Best of the world(upperclass). But to open the flood gates free for all like now, its destructive to entire nation, be it Whites or Non Whites natives. Top up with Muslim Refugees(embedded with terrorists), it is begging for trouble like EU.

    Every countries try to compete in this globalization era. So many gov applying cheap solution like tax heaven & Weapon of Mass Migration to get instant result. Yes, Country become GDP rich, but overall native nations suffered. Its has rendered a country to a public company trying to make best profit at expense of old guards to benefit that few top share holders.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  413. Truth says:
    @Thomm

    If Malla wants to emulate a pro-US Indian, Dinesh D’Souza is a good role model. He even banged Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham back when both were in their 20s.

    LOL, hey that is something to shoot for.

    As an African-American I can tell you that you are right in a lot of ways, I know a lot of “I hate whitey” types who just strike me as pure suckers looking for an excuse they don’t have a job, or aren’t “rich.”

    I have told these guys for years, “Dude, there are very few people in America who live “the American Dream.” and your version of it comes from 20 years of silly rap videos with rented cars and mansions. No, life is not fair, but you can do some things to make it fairer.

  414. Truth says:
    @Malla

    I do not think I am smart enough to speak at an Amren conference anyways.

    LMFAO!

    I don’t know Bro, Ram-Z Paul speaks every year doesn’t he?

    • Replies: @Malla
  415. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    @Malla

    I don’t think there is a global conspiracy, period. I think that people are self-evaluating and act accordingly, so you have suicides outnumbering murders. Mental and bodily health issues lead to most suicides, there are some biological problems that are most efficiently handled by self-evaluation. No need to draw on invisible conspiracy theories. Whatever is afflicting white people (and postmodern NorthEast Asians) these days isn’t due to the CIA or any complex of agencies or people pulling strings. I think white people and Koreans/Japanese/Taiwanese/Singaporeans have so fully divorced themselves from the natural world, their biological processes are in rebellion. Where they and the world end up, I don’t know. It does look like Singapore, especially, can’t last as they are now under 1 child per family.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Truth
  416. Malla says:
    @TT

    In Buddhism context, India is known as Middle Country(not China) with the best Ariyan quality, where all Buddhas of past, present and future will appear.

    Buddhism is from central Asia. Buddha was born into an Indo Scythian family.
    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Sanskrit word for Scythians amd Muni means sage/hermit.

    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    The Hinduism of the present is Puranic Hinduism not Vedic though there are many Vedic concepts in today’s Hinduism and it was formed from the more ancient Vedic religion. And it is this newer form Hinduism which causes most of the problems we have today.

    https://yogaforums.com/t/is-puranic-hinduism-the-most-stupidest-religion-in-the-world/8623

    Buddhism was a more rational religion which opposed the caste system thus it was destroyed by upper caste Hindus.

    http://bapumraut.blogspot.in/2013/02/how-adi-shankara-destroyed-buddhism-and.html

    And that caused all the screw ups we face now.

    The stupid Indians are keeping their problems to themselves, but the clever WN are exporting them all over the world. Who is better?

    White Nationalists are not behind the behaviour of the U.S.A today. White Nationalists hardly have any power in the west. Indeed many oppose the Invade the World Invite the World policy of the West. Globalist elites are behind what we are facing today.
    I have been to many White nationalist sites but none of them speak of bring back the British Empire or French Empire. Some of them are proud of these empires in terms of conquests. Who would not be? Zulus still tell stories of their conquests, it is only human nature. But most of them do not talk about building an empire.

  417. Malla says:
    @TT

    To completely banned it, US will decay from its pole position which it achieved by attracting the Best of the world(upperclass).

    It is not compulsory to bring the best form the world to remain ahead of the game. When Britain and Germany was inventing the technological world, they did not need getting all the best and brightest of the world, they used their home grown talent (Well Britain did benefit from French Huguenots as Isambard Kingdom Brunel was from that community ). China is becoming a leader of patents today by just using Chinese talent. It is also stealing all the best from the Third world. Besides, these new elites will have no connection to those under them. It will be an artificial society. A high IQ Nigerian working in Intel will have no connection whatsoever with a Mexican plumber. You cannot build a nation like that. For that immigration has to kept small so that there is time to assimilate.

  418. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Ram-Z Paul

    I gotta check him out.

  419. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    I don’t think there is a global conspiracy, period.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  420. Malla says:
    @TT

    Every countries try to compete in this globalization era. So many gov applying cheap solution like tax heaven & Weapon of Mass Migration to get instant result. Yes, Country become GDP rich, but overall native nations suffered. Its has rendered a country to a public company trying to make best profit at expense of old guards to benefit that few top share holders.

    Very True. Well put.

    • Replies: @Singh
  421. Truth says:
    @Hacienda

    I think white people and Koreans/Japanese/Taiwanese/Singaporeans have so fully divorced themselves from the natural world, their biological processes are in rebellion.

    Again, brilliant (athough the CIA does have something to do with it)!

    There is a great book by Jerry Mander called “Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television” that goes into disconection from the natural world in depth.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  422. Hacienda says:
    @Truth

    The CIA has something to do with everything. Really. But not the intentional dumbing down
    and depopulation of whites. Unless they are in cahoots with the Jews and Chinese Taoists! I’m just throwing that out there.

    TV is the modern opiate of the masses. Opium dens made it easy for the Chinese to recognize and (with great cost) rid China of the addiction. And everyone knew the sources of opium – the British.

    TV is a much more difficult addiction to solve. Because it’s not public. There are no “TV dens”. The rot is not physical, but mental. And the sourcing is by Americans for Americans. But the tragedy of TV is just as bad as the opium addiction. LOL.

  423. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    @Malla

    It had to be the Joos. Always the Joos. Because 7 billion non-Joos have no agency. Only Joos have agency.

    • Replies: @Malla
  424. Singh says:
    @Malla

    O SJW, Buddha Ji is SuryaVanshi & said he’s Ram Chandra Ji Avatar।।

    It is said that Arihant are born only in Brahmin or Ksytria family & never degraded Lineage।।

    All Jain Tirthankar are Ksytria।।

    Where’s this anti casteism?

    Buddhism was destroyed by Islam।।
    Notice the regions which had mass conversions, all Buddhist from Iran to Bengal।।

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  425. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Jerry Mander called “Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television”

    Thanks. I wish I could get back all that time of my life I wasted watching TV.

  426. Malla says:
    @Singh

    Buddha Ji is SuryaVanshi

    Sacas were Suryavanshi.

    Ram Chandra Ji Avatar।।

    That is what we Hindus are told, that he is an avatar of Vishnu. But where is the BuddhaPurana?

    all Buddhist from Iran to Bengal

    Iran was not Buddhist, maybe had a minority. It was predominantly Zoroastrian.
    Yes Islam destroyed Buddhism completely but already before that we had played a big role in weakening it. Many Chinese travelers before Islam wrote of Buddhist Viharas being destroyed. Some Hinduwadis claim Buddhism collapsed before Islam because of corruption. But why did the same thing not happen in Tahiland, Myanmar, China, Japan, Korea? We poisoned it and Islam gave the final blow and cut of it’s head in India.

  427. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    It had to be the Joos. Always the Joos.

    What can I do if reality is that way? I prefer to blame the Eskimos and Masai, am trying to find something against them, just cannot.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  428. Malla says:
    @Singh

    It is said that Arihant are born only in Brahmin or Ksytria family & never degraded Lineage।।

    Non Brahmins and Kshatriyas are not human? Degraded Lineage? Caste ideology open for all the world to see. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Singh
  429. Malla says:
    @Singh

    But not the intentional dumbing down and depopulation of whites.

    I do not agree. That was big on the agenda. The media and education system was geared for that.
    Are you telling me, somehow White people had the ability to run huge economies and make so many inventions without non White immigration before WW2 and after WW2, they became too dumb to run their own nations. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
    Blacks in the USA are also victims of this programming. Black Americans born in a rich first world country behaving like lunatics while Middle class Africans from places like Ghana or Kenya, coming from third world country behaving more civilized and achieving more than blacks born in U.S.A. Of course there is something wrong in the educational/ media setup in the West. And it is done on purpose.

    Check out 21:38 to 22:28

    Also

  430. Malla says:
    @Singh

    All Jain Tirthankar are Ksytria।।

    Let us learn from the Jains themselves before making gaseous Hinduvadi claims about them.

    http://www.jaina.org/page/Myths

    Jainism was (and is) against violence (e.g. vedic sacrifices) and casteism.

    also
    later we read

    As long as Jainism was clubbed with Hinduism, it got a raw deal having no separate recognition amongst the scholars. Also despite of general doctrinal tolerance in the Hindu tradition, history shows instances of persecution against Jains such as in Tamil Nadu in the 7th century, AD when Hindu Shaiva poets and teachers popularized the notion of Jains (or Samanars in Tamil) as villains opposed to the Shaiva creed. Hindu Saints like Adi Shankaracharya and Swami Dyayanand Saraswati led vitriolic attacks against Jain philosophy. Many Jain temples were destroyed and Jains killed.
    Today, a concern of modern Jains in post-independence India has been the preservation of ancient pilgrimage sites and holy shrines which in recent decades have come under pressure from certain fundamentalist groups – in the case of Girnarji, Hindu devotees of the deity Dattatreya. Bhagavan Neminatha’s charana were established at Girnarji for many thousands of years. Now, Hindus have taken over the 5th and the 3rd hill, thus wiping out extremely important Jain heritage from Gujarat

    If Jainism is indeed a part of Hinduism, then….

    1. Why is Jain Navkar Mantra not a part of the list of Hindu Prayers ?
    2. Why is Mahavir Swami and other Jain Thirthankars not accepted as their Gods ?
    3. Why is Parvyushan and Mahavir Jayanti not celebrated as festivals by Hindus?
    4. Why are Jain sacred books not given equal status as Gita ? When you accept various version of Ramayana, then why not accept Jain version of Ramayana also?
    5. Why is contribution of Jain saints from Gautam Swami to Hemchandra Acharya ignored by Hindus and not accepted as their saints?
    6. Why subvert the actual History in the text books – that Chandragupta Maurya was a Jain. The Major Kings of that time were Jains or gave patronage to Jainism. But this is never mentiond in our History books. The likes of Murli Manohar Joshi have been tampering with history since Independence.

  431. Thomm says:
    @Malla

    I do not know much about the US in this regard though I have been to the U.S. several times.

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.

    Your admiration for White Nationalists (i.e. the male gender of the bottom 20% of whites in terms of talent/brains/looks/character) is so misplaced that it is comparable to a white guy in America, who sees 2-3 Bollywood actresses and finds them exquisite, and then gets a ticket to India expecting to land one as a wife in three weeks. In reality, he finds that while walking around in India, no women out and about are particularly pretty.

    Rural Whites are FAAAR more similar to successful Whites than rural Indians are to elite Indians.

    Again, you completely missed the point. Rural hardworking whites are not the White Trashionalists. Some White Trashionalists have very successful fathers, but inherited none of their talents. Some are nerds who never leave their mother’s basement. You are making the exact same mistake as some WN on Unz.com who assumes every single Indian in the West was a ‘Brahmin’ since they confuse caste with IQ.

    Let me give you a real-world example of the typical WN wigger that you so admire :

    Kevin Crawford Kraft is an Anglo-Saxon Protestant with a regal, upper-class name. He is a local WN leader in Northern California, which means his followers are even dumber than him.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=TJ1RWv3yMeGijwS3q4rQCg&q=Kevin+Crawford+Kraft+arrests&oq=Kevin+Crawford+Kraft+arrests&gs_l=psy-ab.3…2431.3438.0.3566.8.8.0.0.0.0.144.597.0j5.5.0&#8230;.0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.2.260…35i39k1j33i160k1.0.fg7I9ds-_vg

    He manages to get arrested by the police EVERY MONTH. That too for negro-like things such as ‘sex in public’, ‘assault with a deadly weapon’ and ‘shoplifting’. Six arrests in six months, after which he just moves to another town. But he just cannot avoid jail for more than a few weeks at a this.

    This is the type of person you so admire. The female equivalent are the blue-haired feminists (which you also apparently admire).

    Again, it seems you are hell-bent on learning that hard way that that WNs have as much in common with successful whites as African cannibals have with Thomas Sowell.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Ron Unz
  432. Thomm says:
    @Malla

    EVERY single atrocity imaginable has happened in Europe within the last 104 years (so not that long ago).

    *Genocide (we know about that one).
    *State backed beheading (France was using the guillotine until 1977. Maybe that is no more barbaric than the electric chair, but still)
    *Forced Sterilizations
    *Cannibalism (Ukraine during the Holodomor in the 1930s, and Russia in 1921).
    *Chemical weapons (used by France against Germany in WWI).
    *1.3 million men killed in brutal trench warfare (Battle of the Somme, 1916).

    Dumb argument. War is different than peacetime. And who encouraged these wars? The so called White trash or elite bankers?

    No, it is a superb argument, that destroys every single WN claim. Whites have all done African-type atrocities to each other within the last century. If ‘bankers’ can manipulate them such (also false), then by your own logic whites aren’t that smart.

    Plus, it is AMERICA that is exceptional, not ‘whites’ as a whole. Eastern Europe is not that great. The prosperity level of India in 2018 is about what Eastern Europe had in the 1990s, so it is only ~25 years ahead of India.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  433. Malla says:
    @Singh

    Singhji, But you are right about Muslims destroying Hindu and Buddhist temples

    https://www.stephen-knapp.com/islamic_destruction_of_hindu_temples.htm

    Islamic destruction of Nalanda University

    http://4freedoms.com/group/heritage/forum/topics/india-nalanda-library-university-and-monastery-destroyed

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/07/nalanda-muslim-demolished-buddhist.html

    There is no denying that Muslims did destroy Hindu, Jain and Buddhist places of worship and universities in India.

  434. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    There is a huge world of White nationalists beyond these kinds of men. Why are you stuck with these?
    Also many so called ‘White Nationalists’ are FBI/CIA agents who want to give White Nationalism a bad name. Black panthers for example were started by the FBI and finished off by the FBI. The elites aka government play many games like that.

    maybe you need to read this

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/ls/index.htm

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/pragmatism_as_ethnonationalisms_tool_against_radical_skepticism

    The people above seem intelligent to me.

    Anyways even if there are criminal WNs like Kevin, why do they not have the right to the land conquered by their ancestors? There are loads of criminals in every country, does that mean, these people have no right to live in that country? Kevin’s ancestors fought for this land or worked for this land in the beleif that this is for his descendants. Him being a criminal changes nothing.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  435. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    Dumb argument. Peacetime is different from war. The Japanese went on a conquering spree across Asia/ Pacific but have a very low crime society. Those shy salary men turned into scary soldiers in a uniform. Same with law abiding Germans. Stalin joked once that the German Wehrmacht would stop at red signals on the road, they are so law abiding, but the same Germans conquered nearly all of Europe/North Africa and it took the combined efforts of the USA, USSR and the British Empire for 4 years to bring them down!!!!
    Gurkhas of Nepal/India are nice law abiding peaceful people but are brutal in war. Indeed I would say, people who are brave at war tend to be more law abiding in peacetimes and those that are more criminal and thuggish in nature are crap in war. Italians are good in mafia but have a bad reputation in warfare. In India, Biharis have a reputation of being most thuggish but are crap in war. Huge Bihari armies have run away peeing from tiny British armies. The Gurkhas on the other hand fought like lions and the Brits had to fight for every inch. Same with Sikhs. Go to Nepal or North East India and see the nice humble Gurkhas. Put him in uniform and he will choke your enemie’s widhpipe with his teeth lion style.
    Turks have a better martial reputation than Arabs but Turks by nature are more law abiding than Arabs indeed Turks look down upon Arabs as barbarians.
    War and peacetime are radically opposite.

    If ‘bankers’ can manipulate them such (also false), then by your own logic whites aren’t that smart.

    There is a difference between cunning and intelligence. Bankers more or less control the entire world including India which is embarking on a orwellian biometric cashless system as we speak.
    Many MIT Stanford researchers will easily get fooled by some hustler in the street in some third world tourist place but that hustler cannot understand one tenth of the things written in the researcher’s published papers. This is very very common. IQ is different from street smart.
    Cunning is common in animals, try catching a rat. But what makes humans special is the ability to make complicated tools which no animal can do. And some races (cold climate ones) do it better than others.

    Eastern Europe is not that great.

    Eastern Europe had gone through Communism where all the smartest elites had been killed off. It underwent decades of dysgenics and started recovering only later. In India we faced nothing of that sort.

  436. Thomm says:
    @Malla

    There is a huge world of White nationalists beyond these kinds of men.

    Not really. There is no one more unwelcome within groups of successful whites than a White Nationalist. Someday you will figure out why.

    Plus, at least Kevin Kraft is straight (sex in public with a woman). Most other WNs are gay (which contributes to the ideology being 99% male).

    The people above seem intelligent to me.

    Once again, you are falling into the Indian vice of debating by anecdote. You can find at least as many intelligent papers written by negros. They are not the average. You should be able to distinguish anecdote from average.

    Anyways even if there are criminal WNs like Kevin, why do they not have the right to the land conquered by their ancestors?

    By that extremely weak logic, every second-gen Indian, Chinese, or Mexican has the same claim.

    And Native Americans have a much stronger claim. They were here first.

    Kevin Crawford Kraft is widely seen as an up-and-coming WN leader in terms of ‘street activism’ in Northern California. His specialty is hatred and harassment of Asians in Silicon Valley. If he saw you, he would stab you or shoot you. He is representative of White Trashionalists. He is not an organized criminal, but just a thug with no self-control (see the types of crimes he commits). That is why the other 80% of whites hate White Trashionalists above all others.

    By your own admission, you never lived in the US for an extended period of time, and thus have no direct experience with whites (such as getting invited to their homes for Thanksgiving, or dating a white girl, or going to a white frat party, or an American Oktoberfest celebration). In all of those venues, a known WN would be very unwelcome. Your knowledge is very, very incomplete. It is just as bad as if I were to correct you about every aspect of India, asserting that I ‘know more than you’.

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  437. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    White and blacks do have some similarities as compared to us brown Caucasoid Asians/North Africans. I have observed this many times. Both tend to have a kind of individualism that we clannish Middle Easterners and South Asians lack. Both tend to be physically well built and like sports more than us browns. When I was working in Mcdonalds in Europe, the Africans from Angola, Nigeria got along well with the native working class Whites than us Indo/Pakistanis. But those Africans were students studying management/ science not refugee types. Somalis are different tho, they are more like us, with a clannish bent of mind.

  438. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    By that extremely weak logic, every second-gen Indian, Chinese, or Mexican has the same claim.

    And Native Americans have a much stronger claim. They were here first.

    Wrong, Europeans conquered Native Americans as a tribe. Native Americans have been conquering each other before them. These so called immigrants did not conquer USA, they were allowed in sneakily by the elites without any consultation with the people. White colonists defeating the native American armies is equivalent to the immigrants (not the armies of their home nations) conquering the U.S. Army made up of White and black Americans. Nothing of that sort happened. Black Americans are different, they were brought into the U.S.A as slaves. They have more rights than any immigrant who came after 1965 sneaky immigration bill.

    Not really. There is no one more unwelcome within groups of successful whites than a White Nationalist.

    Massive propaganda by the media against White nationalists.
    I have psoted this earlier, does not enter your thick skull
    OK I will post it again.

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/cwar/pillar1.htm

    What a brilliant analysis made by the writer.
    And this claim of White Nationalists being losers is what it is. It is a status symbol, just like going on a crazy crusade was a status symbol centuries ago. Elites, people who want to join the elites and thus emulate them (mostly middle classes), people pretending to be elites etc…, by looking down on White Nationalists are in effect saying ‘Oh look at those low class idiots believing in such archaic ideologies. Not for me, I am above them, I am cosmopolitan’ while wearing their monocles and sipping wine. What they do not realize that their belief in such a cosmopolitan world is illogical and is against human nature. It is going to be a disaster in the long run. But it is a delusion which is a marker of status today (who knows what the marker will be tomorrow). And we all know how important status is right?

    This is what it is, rejecting White Nationalism has become a status symbol. But the Universe does not care about your childish status symbols but reality. more and more White people are realizing what is happening and are becoming White Nationalists.

    Plus, at least Kevin Kraft is straight (sex in public with a woman). Most other WNs are gay (which contributes to the ideology being 99% male).

    You stick to your dumb theories all the time. I have repeatedly proved this to be wrong.

    The truth is White Nationalism is more rational and based on facts than your dumb theories of races of the world coming together and creating a utopia.

  439. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    Kevin Crawford Kraft is widely seen as an up-and-coming WN leader in terms of ‘street activism’ in Northern California.

    Most political movements tend to have high IQ cores directing and being protected by muscled men. White Nationalism needs high IQ leaders and muscles on the street. This is only natural.

    From

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/cwar/brvhrt.htm

    And finally, the movie is difficult to review because it leaves you with a rather pessimistic sense of realism. Western nationalism is dramatically different from Japanese nationalism. Theirs comes from the top down, with the aristocratic samurai sacrificing themselves for the benefit of their nation. In the West, nationalism simmers up from the bottom, from the ordinary folk in the form of peasant revolts, for which we always pay a terrible price – harassed and betrayed at every turn by a Western elite that sees themselves as a race of nationless global supermen rather than the flabby and defenseless daydreamers they really are. It is, of course, a fatal illusion. The real world around them is filled with hostile races seeking to displace and enslave them and their children, even as they idealize a world full of win-win transactions and peace through World commerce and global mobility of capital.

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    , @Singh
  440. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    By that extremely weak logic, every second-gen Indian, Chinese, or Mexican has the same claim.

    And Native Americans have a much stronger claim. They were here first.

    If I were to occupy half of your house and you were to go to court and the judge would decree that justice would be served by allowing more guys to occupy your house, you would call the judge a lunatic. And that is what you are proposing. By allowing in more immigrants how does the position of the Native American or Australian Aborigine becomes better? Especially allowing clannish peoples like Indians, Pakistanis and Arabs. We would financially exploit the Native Americans / Aboriginal Australians more than the Whites ever have. At least Whites have a sense of guilt and a tendency to correct course. We desis tend to lack that.

  441. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    If ‘bankers’ can manipulate them such (also false)

    Really???? You need to read this book by General Smedley D. Butler,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

    War Is a Racket is a speech and a 1935 short book, by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient. Based on his career military experience, Butler frankly discusses how business interests commercially benefit (including war profiteering) from warfare. He had been appointed commanding officer of the Gendarmerie during the United States occupation of Haiti, which lasted from 1915 to 1934.

    You can get the book here

    https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket

    Nearly all wars since Mr. Rothschild took power over the British economy have been banker’s wars. There have been such merchant funded wars before that since ancient times but during the last 2 centuries nearly all wars have been banker’s wars. Not only World wars or NATO wars. Ethiopia has a war with Eritrea, these bankers are involved. India has a war with Pakistan, they are involved somewhere, giving capital at exorbitant interest rates.

  442. Malla says:
    @Truth

    The book in pdf form

    http://onthewing.org/user/Ev_Four%20Arguments%20for%20Eliminating%20Television.pdf

    Jerry Mander in person

    Alan Watt – “Never watch the Televison”

  443. Singh says:
    @Malla

    These are the words of Sri Gautum Buddha in Nyara Sutra।।

    Caste is a Portuguese word. The only important distinction is between Dharmic/Arya & others.

    Dravidas are Aryas।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Malla
  444. Singh says:
    @Malla

    Continuous famine, invasion & culling starting from time of Alexander is what we especially NW Hind have faced।।

    We’ve stood up to armies & marched bravely to death like the younger sons of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Supreme_sacrifice

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Malla
  445. Singh says:
    @Malla

    [You've already been warned about the volume of your content-free comments ranting about Indian history. Sharply reduce their number and increase their quality if you want them published.]

    • Replies: @Singh
  446. Malla says:
    @Singh

    These are the words of Sri Gautum Buddha in Nyara Sutra।।

    How was Lord Buddha talking about the Portuguese during B.C. period? The Portuguese came to India in the 1400s to 1500s A.D. with Vasco da Gama.

  447. TT says:

    “To which I’ll give my standard answer.
    Derb, are you sure these are people you wanted to bring in?

    1. Spouses and dependent children of U.S. citizens.

    2. Nobel Prize geniuses
    All dissidents turn Nobel Peace Laureate co-opt by CIA to subvert their own motherland are real geniuses US need most, no?

    3. Solzhenitsyn-level distinguished nonviolent dissidents from despotic states.
    All countries US intended to subvert has nonviolent dissidents to qualify, no?

    4. Foreigners who’ve put their lives on the line to help U.S. interests.
    Are you sure Derb, out of gratitude? think again. Tho Terrorists are good in assimilation…will they overwhelm US?

    Isis, AlQueda, FSA, YPG, Tamil LTTE, Chechen terrorists, Uyghur terrorists, Tibetan Separatists, , Muslim Brotherhood, KSA Saudis & Gulfs Org, Turks, Indonesia Muslims group(aka communists terminators), Nato, Indians, Australian, Japan, SKorea, Philippines Abu Sayet terrorists, SCS disputing Asean leaders, HK separatists, Pakistan Intelligent & terrorists, Afanghistan warlords, Taiwan KMT &Separatists, Russia Oligarchs, Ukraine Nazis & Oligarchs, Russiaphobia East & West Europe, Libya terrorists, Africa terrorists, Israel, Iran rioters, Venezuela dissidents, Cuba dissidents, Brazil Oligarchs, …its a endless list.

    5. A few hundred other special cases per annum — a statutory maximum of one thousand, say — considered individually.
    6. Nobody else at all.
    We’ve had the doors wide open for fifty years. Time for an assimilation break.”

  448. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    Why single out the Jews? There are many universalist Christian denominations that
    support immigration and refugees in the US. Mormons actively seek converts in Asia
    and bring them to the US. Presbyterians actively work to bring in South American refugees.
    Here’s the Pope:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/350009-pope-francis-defends-the-rights-of-immigrants

    It was a Quaker who “opened” China. etc, etc. The Jews get blamed for everything. It’s not healthy. Asians, not having the history of My God, Not Yours wars, take it in stride. So, why are you bandwaggoning? Hmmm?

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  449. Thomm says:

    So let’s see.

    Malla, by his own admission, has never even lived in the US for an extended period, and has never attended a White Nationalist gathering.

    Yet, he goes on and on over hundreds of comments about how he admires them. He cannot grasp that WNs are not representative of successful whites at all (they are just the waste-matter bottom 20%, just like bluehaired feminists are). No one is less welcome at respectable white gatherings than a WN.

    He keeps avoiding the fact that WNs are disproportinately gay as well. It is apparent that for him, this is a plus.

    Whites have committed every single atrocity that negros have, within the last 100 years (including genocide and cannibalism). Malla glibly dismisses this as either ‘war is war’ (contradicting his claim that whites are less prone to descend into war), or that ‘bankers did it’.

    His argument of ‘if someone’s parents came here, they have a right’ applies to any 2nd gen Chinese, Indian, or legal Mexican, as long as his parents came here. Then, he says that whites deserve special treatment.

    I guess out of 1.4 billion people, there is bound to be one this strange. At least WNs and me agree on one thing – Malla is desperate for the approval of whites – EVEN the White Trashionalists that are inferior to normal whites (and even inferior to Indians, for that matter).

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    , @Singh
    , @Hacienda
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  450. Singh says:
    @Singh

    So Indian history is content free।।

    It’s wrong to educate your countrymen brainwashed by SJW EgyptoJudaic values।।

    Ok, you claim to want nationalism/prosperity for your people but deny it to others।।

    Have fun with white genocide & without the white west Israel will fall too, Jewish Ron Unz।।

    Entire quoted articles claiming Indian inferiority by Malla are allowing any well cited response is blocked।।

    Your entire tribe & civilization is a joke o abrahamic।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Malla
  451. Singh says:
    @Thomm

    No, Hindus have soft hearts & Pagans in general hate iconoclasm/genocide।।

    He’s mostly arguing with whites so how is that begging for approval?

    O, Malla if someone insults your Mother you cut his head off without pondering a moment।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Thomm
  452. Singh says:
    @Thomm

    You’re correct though that whites by & large have no racial or societal consciousness।।

    They left that upon the foot rest of Jews similar to non arab muslims।।

    At best most of them want immigrants to adopt western values which ultimately means convert to christianity.

    At that point you could fuck his daughter in the next room & the ‘white man’ wouldn’t care।।

    What is interesting though, is how future trends line up.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/the-wheel-of-history-turns-to-the-gods/

    Razib Khan used to post here btw.

    With the polite successful whites not breeding vs pre industrial times up to 40% surviving offspring advantage for more intelligent, it remains to be seen what happens।।

    In Western countries, among Asian & Hispanic (especially America) those who marry another person of that country ie 2nd gen, 40-60% Male & Female marry white।।

    You may just end up with a racially mixed coastal/urban elite ruling over a more homogeneous white christian peasantry.

    https://blog.therightstuff.biz/2017/01/25/castizo-america-the-synthesis-of-civic-nationalism-and-liberalism/

    Ideologically, there’s a trend to blend the three abrahamisms & have a more unified ideology led by the Judeo Anglo sphere।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/blog_supplement/status/947189188767682562

    Obviously this is opposed by the fundamentalists of all three strains, IMO this is one angle from which to view the various political conflicts taking place across the Western meaning West of Lahore world।।

    Consolidation/Centralization vs regionalism & autonomy essentially.

    High Low vs Middle is the way it occurs. A centralizing power uses a vulnerable group as both a pawn & cassus belli to take out rival group.

    Pincer move,

    Elite + Women vs Middle Class Men (Rival)
    For ex.

  453. Thomm says:
    @Singh

    He’s mostly arguing with whites so how is that begging for approval?

    er… have you not seen what Malla’s position is?

    He wants to join up with ‘White Nationalism’ which, if you are not aware, is a group of extremely unsuccessful, unintelligent white men (bottom 10%) that blames other groups for their own failings. There are almost no women in White Nationalism, it is 99% male and largely homosexual.

    • Replies: @Singh
    , @Malla
  454. Hacienda says:
    @Thomm

    I guess out of 1.4 billion people, there is bound to be one this strange.

    Not so strange. Actually more the rule. Sub-continentals often have a strong belief in racial castes. What’s very unusual about Malla is she wontonly states browns are inferior. What? LOL. That’s too bad, because this is a real insult to successful Indians in the US. And she should mind her business about the hierarchy of who owns America and who gets to kick who out. At least Derb LIVES in America, amIrite?

    • Replies: @Singh
    , @Thomm
    , @Malla
  455. Singh says:
    @Moi

    This is typical of naked imperialism without any intention of benefitting the world or Noblese Oblige।।

    Long term it leads to an inability to create vassalage & is actually a net negative as it weighs on material technology to overcome shortcomings in social technology

    Tldr

    Good social values make the usage of technology cheaper & more efficient/effective.

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/social-technology-and-anarcho-tyranny/

    • Replies: @Malla
  456. Singh says:
    @Thomm

    Personal experience has been mostly with Russians who are in fact embracing their old traditions & Dharma maybe due to this?

    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/vbtaq

    Anatoly Karlin mentioned that Russian nationalism is much more female based।।

    Did not know the homosexual bit, tbh don’t really quite understand homosexuals or their positions।।

    Best they keep away/hide it।।

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/05/17/homosexuals-signalling-hazard-traditional-societies/

  457. Singh says:
    @Hacienda

    Tnx for pointing out it’s a woman।।

    Just needs a good slap, not a debate।।

    You outsiders have been considered Dasyu (servant/slave) or Melech (ignorant barbarian who lacks Dharma) since at least this time though:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings

    http://bharatiya.ru/istoki.html

    Skin the color of wheat is ideal pale skin is made fun of Especially in Men।।

    Distance from NW India to South is same as to Moscow।।

    Of course there will be differences,

    In Kali Yuga there will be good men born among Melech Tribes & straight Rakshas among the Bharatas & Aryas।।

    O well,

    Lift Weight Feel Great
    Use Nukes to Retaliate

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  458. Thomm says:
    @Hacienda

    And she should mind her business about the hierarchy of who owns America and who gets to kick who out.

    Malla is female? I doubt it.

  459. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    Jews are the prime movers. Here I do not mean all 100% of Jews, many have nothing to do with this, some even oppose it for good reason. Many liberal Israelis wanna escape to Europe especially Germany as Israel becomes more religious under crazy Rabbis. But a Germany with many Muslims, that is not a option anymore. I think amongst Israelis especially, there are many who do not like what is happening in Europe but it might be different case with diaspora Jews.

    As I said, Jewish elites are prime movers, Christian churches are secondary. Anyways the Vatican after Vatican 2 and most Protestant churches are now infiltrated & compromised.

  460. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    Yawn, you keep on barking the same non sense. All you type is rubbish and I am tired of refuting them. Just read my earlier responses.

  461. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    That’s too bad, because this is a real insult to successful Indians in the US.

    Being successful as clannish parasites does not mean you can build a good nation. Nation building and being successful as a community does not ALWAYS go hand in hand, two radically different inborn talents of populations. In India, the mercantile Marwaris are in many ways one of the most successful population. This single community among hundreds of communities probably own nearly 60% of all big corporations in India. But their home state Rajastan is one of the BIMARU (Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajastan, Utter Pradesh) backward states of India. Sikkim on the other hand is a very prosperous developed state but Sikkimese do not dominate the economy outside of the state of Sikkim. Marwaris have a reputation of being hyper miserly, hyper clannish mercantiles. They are not a nation building people, they are a parasitic people. The Sikkimese are the exact opposite.
    This is the same way as how Swedes differ from say Armenians.
    Some populations excel in IQ and building superior tools (technology) others in streetsmarts and greater inter personal manipulative skills.

  462. Malla says:
    @Singh

    Good social values make the usage of technology cheaper & more efficient/effective.

    Very true. But the West today is going in the opposite direction. The destruction of Baroque period Europe or even Victorian period Europe has been a disaster. All pushed by Marxists footsoldiers and their Jewish/Banker elite masters. NS Germany was an attempt to reverse that decline but it was destroyed. And immediately after WW2, the cultural destruction accelerated and accelerated much further in the hippie movement all pushed by Cultural Marxist destroyers of civilization.

  463. Malla says:
    @Singh

    Ok, you claim to want nationalism/prosperity for your people but deny it to others।।

    The major difference is Globalist elites are pushing and aiding Hinduwadi nationalism and even Islamic Wahabi fundamantalism and even Buddhist nationalism in Sri Lanka but are bent on destroying White Nationalism. There is a difference, And whatever the globalists push is never good and there are always long term ulterior motives.
    Who got Modi into power? What was a Globalist Israeli firm APCO doing giving Gujrat state a faceover? Why is Modi the nationalist is pushing for the globalist banker agenda Aadhar card biometric system and eventually the cashless society in India? Why is a nationalist pushing globalist schemes?
    Also when the World religious conference in Chicago where Swami Vivekananda went to give his speech, was funded by the Rockefellers. That conference was for the creation of a new One World Religion to control the sheepie. What is this shady Freemason controlled Theosophical Society which played a big role in the birth of Hinduwadi nationalism as well as Buddhist nationalism as well in the anti British fake independence movement? Why did many of those same Theosophists suddenly magically transform into Fabian Socialists?
    All of this was for one thing and one thing only, destroy classical Western civilization and the White race. But the final aim is One World Government of slave sheepie ruled by Satanic elites.
    That is why White nationalism is so important.

  464. Malla says:

    Tnx for pointing out it’s a woman।। Just needs a good slap, not a debate।।

    No, I am a guy. Try slapping me.

  465. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    He wants to join up with ‘White Nationalism’ which, if you are not aware, is a group of extremely unsuccessful, unintelligent white men (bottom 10%) that blames other groups for their own failings. There are almost no women in White Nationalism, it is 99% male and largely homosexual.

    This is the usual crap being pushed around by the mainstream media. I have already explained why this line of thinking is rubbish. But it is one of your pet delusions.

  466. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    He keeps avoiding the fact that WNs are disproportinately gay as well. It is apparent that for him, this is a plus.

    What kind of logic is this? WNs being disproportionately gay is not a fact but your delusion.

    Whites have committed every single atrocity that negros have, within the last 100 years (including genocide and cannibalism).

    You are not a normal White guy, either you are Jewish or a feminine gay White SJW leftoid or something else. You are not Indian or East Asian either. No non ‘leftoid SJW homo’ White guy would write like that.

    At least WNs and me agree on one thing – Malla is desperate for the approval of whites

    More dumb reasoning. It is not compulsory that if a brown guy supports White nationalism on principle, he seeks approval. It is like saying those White abolitionists who rallied against black slavery were seeking approval of blacks and secretly wished they were black. Or those Western missionaries who rallied against the opium trade secretly wished to be Chinese, that is ludicrous. or when Britain came to the side of Belgium during WW1 when the German army moved in, the British people secretly deep in their hearts wanted to be Belgians. LOL, What laughable logic!

    Malla glibly dismisses this as either ‘war is war’ (contradicting his claim that whites are less prone to descend into war), or that ‘bankers did it’.

    No dismissing here, only being right. And I have already provided a link to that book about bankers and wars.

    Then, he says that whites deserve special treatment.

    Yup they do. I have explained why.

    All I can say is that those so called “bottom 10%” White Nationalists have a better idea about how the world works than your so called ‘successful’ Whites. That is shameful for the ‘successful’ Whites. Now I know why the west is going down under. It’s successful population are dumber (and more brain washed) than it’s bottom 20% !!!!!!! Wow, just wow.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
    , @Thomm
  467. Malla says:
    @Thomm

    Cannibalism (Ukraine during the Holodomor in the 1930s, and Russia in 1921).

    Under Communism right. An ideology spread by revolutionary Jews/ goyim crackpots and funded by elite bankers like Jacob Shiff behind the scenes. Read the book called anti Humans, a book about Communism and you will understand why.

    State backed beheading (France was using the guillotine until 1977. Maybe that is no more barbaric than the electric chair, but still)

    Again, the French revolution same people behind the scenes. Read some Nesta Webster for God’s sake.

  468. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    Why single out the Jews?

    Are you Jewish?

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    , @Hacienda
  469. Singh says:
    @Malla

    http://yugaparivartan.com/2017/10/12/a-nation-of-slaves-roman-pagans-to-hindus/

    http://yugaparivartan.com/2017/06/03/does-upsc-favours-muslims-in-ias-interview/

    http://yugaparivartan.com/2017/05/25/distribution-of-temples-churches-and-mosques-in-india/

    http://yugaparivartan.com/2017/02/05/hindu-tax-funded-love-jihad-bjps-next-brilliant-idea/

    Festivals, the lifeblood of Paganism, banned.
    Feminism pushed on our Society
    Temples looted under Gov Control, many times temple funds used to build church/mosque
    Hindu schools closed by 1000s & in place are put Convent schools which push out brainwashed retards like you||

    Yes nationalism is being supported, 1st thing is Nationalism is an egalitarian ideology. It is false,

    As for slapping, BharatVansh does as it pleases We Answer Only to Sacha Sodhi Patshah||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

  470. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    No, not Jewish. I’m simply disputing your idea that Jews are the conspiratorial globalists with the
    added ambition of dumbing down the white population. I believe what motivates Jews is status, treasure and loot, more than anything else. Like most people. They’re just very good at it. But, what of the billions of other people who want the same? Globalism, it turns out, is a byproduct.

    • Replies: @Malla
  471. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    Not being Jewish you defend them, similarly I not being White, I defend Whites. Simple

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  472. Malla says:
    @Hacienda

    It was a Quaker who “opened” China. etc, etc.

    Yes Christians can be dumb sometimes but Christians want to spread the message of the Lord and save souls. ‘Opening up’ the Far Eastern countries of Japan, China & Korea was the dumbest thing the Whites ever did as East Asians were always going to be the biggest IQ as well as military threat to Whites amonst all other races.

    As Lothrop Stoddard noted on the Yellow Race.
    “At the moment, the “opening” of the Far East was hailed by white men with general approval, but of late years many white observers have regretted this forcible dragging of reluctant races into the full stream of world affairs. As an Australian writer, J. Liddell Kelly, remarks: “We have erred grievously by prematurely forcing ourselves upon Asiatic races. The instinct of the Asiatic in desiring isolation and separation from other forms of civilization was much more correct than our craze for imposing our forms of religion, morals, and industrialism upon them. It is not race-hatred, nor even race-antagonism, that is at the root of this attitude; it is an unerring intuition, which in years gone by has taught the Asiatic that his evolution in the scale of civilization could best be accomplished by his being allowed to develop on his own lines. Pernicious European compulsion has led him to abandon that attitude. Let us not be ashamed to confess that he was right and we were wrong.”

    However, rightly or wrongly, the deed was done, and the yellow races, forced into the world-arena, proceeded to adapt themselves to their new political environment and to learn the correct methods of survival under the strenuous conditions which there prevailed. In place of their traditional equilibrated, self-sufficient order, the yellow peoples now felt the ubiquitous impacts of the dynamic Western spirit, insistent upon rapid material progress and forceful, expansive evolution. Japan was the first yellow people to go methodically to the white man’s school”

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  473. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Whites have committed every single atrocity that negros have, within the last 100 years (including genocide and cannibalism).

    You are not a normal White guy, either you are Jewish or a feminine gay White SJW leftoid or something else. You are not Indian or East Asian either. No non ‘leftoid SJW homo’ White guy would write like that.

    LOL! Wait a minute, that’s mild compared to the way you speak of your people.

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  474. Malla says:

    Since the main article by Derb is about importing an alien elite this is a must read. If you really want to know what is going on.

    From

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/rj/rj-32.htm

    “The inner party believes that Euro-American racists are cowards, so why wouldn’t Serbs be cowards as well? As professor Kevin MacDonald has pointed out, the evolutionary psychology of the inner party causes them to believe their own propaganda. Belief prevents Freudian slips and has survival value for minorities living in diaspora. Unlike the claptrap we were fed as undergraduates, Professor MacDonald’s theories have predictive and explanatory value in the real world of current events.

    The living members of the inner party simply never encounter racially aware members of the Euro-American majority in their daily lives. They cannot imagine a European elite that would suffer along with their own kind to ensure their ethnic independence and integrity, because they never meet such people in The U.S.

    To the inner party, Euro Elites throughout the world protect their own power and economic status as individuals or as members of a class. Thus, the fundamental message of the Kosovo war is that, in the eyes of the inner party, any interest the Euro peoples of the world may have in cultural or racial survival is unrepresented. Thus, in the minds of the inner party, the natural state of Western Cultures and Western societies is decapitation. They are leaderless and defenseless.

    The very thought of a renegade European state – Serbia – that has not been decapitated – that is not leaderless or defenseless – is an affront to the inner party. It is a threat to their hegemony over the European peoples of the World.”

    …snip….

    When the Germans “liberated” the Ukraine, they found a decapitated society, largely incapable of producing the essentials of civilized life, or indeed, of feeding themselves. In the words of a German officer responsible for performing a quick census [page 62]:

    “The Russian and Jewish upper classes withdrew together with the Red Army. The leading Ukrainians have been partially deported and, if they held leading positions in administration and industry, they were also forced to move east of the Dnieper. Numerous tractor and other specialists on the countryside met the same fate. In June, many young men were called up and put in garrison in the interior of the USSR…. Because of this development there is a tremendous scarcity of people capable of assuming responsible positions in administration, industry and agriculture in the Ukraine…”

    Similar patterns of packing minorities into the upper middle classes of the ethnic republics can be seen in the Baltic Republics (Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia) as well as Belarus.

    Indeed, it appears that the very essence of Communism is ethnic manipulation and population transfer. It is a pattern that holds true even at the top of the communist party structure. In the early days following the revolutions of 1917-1918, none of the top officials in Moscow were ethnic Russians. In fact, a large number grew up in New York. Most of the top leaders felt compelled to change their names to conceal their ethnic origins. Among the first politburo, inner party members like Leon Bronshtein (Trotsky), Hirsch Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), and Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev) felt compelled to change their names. Lenin himself was a mix of German, Swedish, Jewish, Kalmyk (Asian) and Russian ancestry – the very poster boy for a world in which nationality had been abolished – or so it would seem. Nevertheless, the inner party had a compelling need to cover up his ancestry and paint him a pure-bred Russian (instead of the grandson of a well-to-do Jewish Doctor).

    …snip….

    At the center in Moscow it was Georgians (Stalin, Beria), Latvians (Berzin) and Ukrainians (Kruschev) supported by a large cast of inner party members who shape party decisions by controlling the information flow. In the ethnic provinces the local administration consisted of ethnic Russians along with the inner party members.

    The entire Communist system was based on manipulation of race and national origin for control – and the central mechanism for maintaining that control was decapitation – the extermination or the mass transfer of the leaders of an ethnic group, and the total dependence of the remaining native population upon imported or native minorities who managed the government and the business enterprises and dominated the learned professions.

    The important point is that all forms of inner-party communism, the violent Bolshevik variety and the newer “democratic socialist” variety invented by the Frankfurt school, direct their demographic engineering effort at the elites – not the ordinary working people.

    The sine-qua-non of inner party power is a multi-cultural elite alienated from its tribal and racial kinsmen.

    It is the native elites – the indigenous leaders who might resist the inner party’s drive for power – that are always the target.

    To the inner party, the masses of any nation are at all times totally irrelevant to their goal of acquiring and keeping power. The masses of the nations were important in the Soviet Union as labor, a fungible factor of production in an economic system focused on output. The Marxist concept that each hour of their labor was of equal value tells you all you need to know about the inner party’s regard for them.

    …snip…

    The central reality of Communist action is racial and ethnic engineering. It is all slaughters and mass transfers of various Christian nationalities behind a universalist mask which denies even the slightest consciousness of these nationalities’ existence.

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  475. Malla says:
    @Malla

    So you see after reading that brilliant piece from that link, this bringing of foreign talent is nothing more than to create a an elite (but under the elite of elite bankers) which will be out of touch with the masses. They will have no emotional connection with those masses. Classic Decapitation policy. That is why their chances of resisting globalist schemes or to revolt in the name of the masses is nearly non existent. Besides via marxist / third world nationalist myth making, many of them especially Indians and upto a much much lesser extent the Chinese have been trained to hate YT. I think this is one of the major reasons why Indians are being preferred lately in corridors of power by the elites. They are more likely to support globalist agendas. The threat of the people revolting successfully is nearly nil. Similar social engineering and decapitation had already been attempted in the Soviet Union.

    That is why Thomms idea that high IQ elites from the world can come together and create an utopia is a dumb idea. What will happen is a creation of an Ottoman exploitative type society (the USA and the West in general is already there), Brazil of horrors, few elites in secured neighbourhoods and a lot of slums. Compared to the multiracial Brazil hellhole, the Swedish model is immensely more preferable where a homogeneous organic White or East Asian population lives together, where for example your CEO is ethnic Swede, your plumber is ethnic Swede, your professor in the university is ethnic Swede, the most popular musician is ethnic Swede and the bum on the road is also an ethnic Swede and so on. Such societies are organic societies which tend to outlast multiracial/ multicultural hellholes with prosperity and well being.

  476. Malla says:
    @Truth

    You on crack? MSM controlled by the banking elites and their stupid propaganda. There have been many such dumb tactics they have used to discredit White nationalism. Like calling in fake ‘White Nationalists’ on TV talk shows (Donahue, Oprah types) and they would trash the studio up at the end. These so called WNs were fake, instructed to behave like lunatics. After all their disgusting tricks, nobody should believe these mainstream clowns. The MSM is getting desperate to discredit the WN movement. Many of these gays might be planted by the FBI.

    And what if there are a few gays in the movement, there could be gays who may support White Nationalism, they have the right to. That does not mean that all or the vast majority of WNs are gay.

    Are all rappers transsexual because a few rappers behave or are forced to behave that way? Shall we come to the conclusion that rap music is essentially gay, people who listen to rap, hip hop are closet homos. That would be dumb right.

    Anyways the ideology of WN is logically and morally sound and indeed opposing WN is stupidity. This fact is independent of the behaviour of such fake WNs.

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  477. Malla says:
    @Truth

    that’s mild compared to the way you speak of your people.

    Am I the only one? Even a great leader like Periyar says the same? Why? Because facts are facts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The dharma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants–they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    ALSO CHECK THIS OUT

    Mr. Markandey Katju was the Chief Justice of India and he is a topmost Brahmin (but opposed to Brahmanism). He says 90% of Indians are fools, check out from 13:30. Matches what Periyar said in the 1930s.
    He does not hate his own people, indeed he had been one of the biggest proponent of India getting a permanent seat in the UN. He is just stating harsh facts.

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    , @Truth
  478. Thomm says:
    @Malla

    You are not a normal White guy, either you are Jewish or a feminine gay White SJW leftoid or something else. You are not Indian or East Asian either. No non ‘leftoid SJW homo’ White guy would write like that.

    Pure projection from Malla.

    Again, by his own admission, he has never even been to a WN gathering, nor has he even lived in the US for an extended period. What the hell does he know about anything regarding White Nationalists in the US?

  479. Singh says:
    @Malla

    Realizes Liberalism hates native elites

    Believes in periyar

    Pick one

    Every foreign invader has hated Brahmin for same reason you do

    They maintain culture, knowledge, tradition & incite revolution/resistance among the mass।।

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  480. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    Jews are white, fool.

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  481. Malla says:

    Realizes Liberalism hates native elites

    Believes in periyar

    Pick one

    I pick both. We upper castes do not deserve to be elites anymore. Cursed is the land where people like us are elites. Todays Brahmins are not the same Brahmins of the vedic period. The Brahmans of the Vedic period were known to never tell a lie. Are today’s brahmins or other upper castes so moral? No. Today’s’ Brahmins lie and cheat to create a slave society just like a lowly dacoit. So what elite? The Brahmins have changed since Vedic period, maybe got mixed with some other peoples. There is nothing Aryan in the upper caste today. We have mixed up. We do not deserve to use Aryavarta and make claims on our own Aryan forefathers. Do today’s Indians behave like our Aryan Great great… grand fathers? Aryans had brought civilization to this huge dark world, Rishis had written books on divine knowledge, on philosophy, on medicine etc… and we today behave like pigs. Something went wrong in the Puranic period.

    Periyar is just speaking the facts.

    You need to check this out

    https://yogaforums.com/t/is-puranic-hinduism-the-most-stupidest-religion-in-the-world/8623

    Every foreign invader has hated Brahmin for same reason you do

    Really? that is how Brahmins frame it. You you like a typical sheepie believe it. No it is the common people who hated them.

    They maintain culture, knowledge, tradition & incite revolution/resistance among the mass

    Yeah to keep the masses as slaves.
    BTW Brahmins (and my caste too) rose to top positions in the Mughal bureaucracy. Given the chance Brahmins have kissed Mughal, Persian, Dutch, French, Portuguese and British ass to save their own asses. Then immediately back stabbed them after their work was done. The British destroyed Islamic power permanently in India and how did the upper caste Hindus (including my perople) repay them? By acting as agent provocateurs to rile up the masses against them.

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  482. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Check out Savarker, the great Brahmin Hinduvadi leader. He is the one who incited idiots to kill British officers in India. He never killed anyone he just incited low IQ morons of lower castes to kill the British. So that after the British leave, Brahmins can get to rule India and have their slave society.
    But when the British caught him and put him in jail, he went back to the sneaky Brahmin habit to kiss ass (so that he can back stab later).

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Savarkar-had-begged-the-British-for-mercy/articleshow/8792427.cms

    Savarkar had begged the British for mercy

    While referring to his earlier letter of clemency in 1911, Savarkar wrote, ”…if the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I for one cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English government which is the foremost condition of that progress. As long as we are in jails, there cannot be real happiness and joy in hundreds and thousands of homes of His Majesty’s subjects in India, for blood is thicker than water; but if we are released, the people will raise a shout of joy and gratitude to the government, who knows how to forgive and correct, more than how to chastise and avenge.”
    Savarkar went on to add, ”Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail, nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise. The Mighty alone can afford to be merciful and, therefore, where else can the prodigal son return but to the parental doors of the government.”

    But the British were smart, they kept him under close guard after giving him mercy and releasing him and he never got his chance to backstab. Today Savarker is considered a hero in India especially among the Hinduvadi crackpots. There are bridges and institutions named after him.

  483. Malla says:
    @Singh

    Yeah right, every outsider hated the poor Brahmins. While dalits have to beg to save them from Brahmins and us upper castes from exploitation

    When the Prince of Wales sailed to India from London, late in 1921, Mr. Gandhi, then at the height of his popularity, proclaimed to the Hindu world that the coming visit was “an insult added to injury,” and called for a general boycott.[13]

    [13. Gandhi's Letters on Indian Affairs, pp. 96-7.]
    Political workers obediently snatched up the torch, rushing it through their organizations, and the Prince’s landing in Bombay became thereby the signal for murderous riot and destruction. No outbreak occurred among the responsible part of the population, nor along the line of progress, which was, of course, well guarded. But in the remoter areas of the city, hooliganism ran on for several days, with some fifty killings and four hundred woundings, Indian attacking Indian, while arson and loot played their ruinous part.

    Meanwhile the Prince, seemingly unmoved by the first unfriendly reception of all his life, proceeded to carry out his officially arranged programme in and about the city. On the evening of November 22 it was scheduled that he should depart for the North.
    As he left Government House on the three- or four-mile drive to the Bombay railway station, his automobile ran unguarded save for the pilot police car that went before. Where it entered the city, however, a cordon of police lined the streets on both sides. And behind that cordon pressed the people–the common poor people of the countryside in their uncountable thousands; pressed and pushed until, with the railway station yet half a mile away, the police line bent and broke beneath the strain.

    Instantly the crowd surged in, closing around the car, shouting, fighting each other to work nearer–nearer still. What would they do? What was their temper? God knew! Gandhi’s hot words had spread among them, and God alone, now, could help. Some reached the running-boards and clung. Others shoved them off, for one instant to take their places, the next themselves to be dragged away. And what was this they shouted? At first nothing could be made of it, in the bedlam of voices, though those charged with the safety of the progress strained their ears to catch the cries.

    Then words stood out, continuously chanted, and the words were these:

    “Yuvaraj Maharaj ki jai!” “Hail to the Prince!” And: “Let me see my Prince! Let me see my Prince! Let me only see my Prince just once before I die!”

    The police tried vainly to form again around the car. Moving at a crawl, quite unprotected now, through an almost solid mass of shouting humanity, it won through to the railway station at last.

    There, within the barriers that shut off the platform of the royal train, gathered the dignitaries of the Province and the City, to make their formal farewells. To these His Royal Highness listened, returning due acknowledgments. Then, clipping short his own last word, he turned suddenly to the aide beside him.

    “How much time left?”

    “Three minutes, sir,” replied the aide.

    “Then drop those barriers and let the people in”–indicating the mobs outside.

    “Our hearts jumped into our mouths,” said the men who told me the tale, ”but the barriers, of course, went down.”

    Like the sweep of a river in flood the interminable multitudes rolled in–and shouted and adored and laughed and wept, and, when the train started, ran alongside the royal carriage till they could run no more.

    And when he turned back from his transit of the Great North Gate–the Khyber Pass itself–a strange thing awaited him. A swarm of Untouchables, emboldened by news that had reached them, clustered at the roadside to do him reverence, “Government ki jai!” “Hail to the Government!” they shouted, with cheers that echoed from the barren hills.

    And when the Prince slowed down his car to return their greetings, they leapt and danced in their excitement.

    For nowhere in all their store of memory or of legend had they any history of an Indian magnate who had noticed an Untouchable except to scorn him. And here was a greater than all India contained–the son of the Supreme Power, to them almost divine, who deigned not only to receive but even to thank them for their homage! Small wonder that their spirits soared, that their eyes saw visions, that their tongues laid hold upon mystic words.

    “Look! Look!” they cried to one another. “Behold, the Light! the Light!”

    And such was their exaltation that many of them somehow worked through to Delhi to add themselves to the twenty-five thousand of their kind who there awaited the Prince’s coming. The village people from round about flocked in to join them–the simple people of the soil who know nothing of politics but much of friendship as shown in works. And all together haunted the roadside, waiting and hoping for a glimpse of his face.

    At last he came, down the Grand Trunk Road, toward the Delhi Gate. And in the center of the hosts of the Untouchables, one, standing higher than the rest, unfurled a flag.

    “Yuvaraj Maharaj ki jai! Raja ke Bete ki jai!

    “Hail to the Prince! Hail to the King’s Son!” they all shouted together, to burst their throats. And the Prince, while the high-caste Indian spectators wondered and revolted within themselves at his lack of princely pride, ordered his car stopped.

    Then a spokesman ventured forward, to offer in a humble little speech the love and fealty of the sixty millions of the Unclean and to beg the heir to the throne to intercede for them with his father the King Emperor, never to abandon them into the hands of those who despised them and would keep them slaves.

    The Prince heard him through. Then–whether he realized the magnitude of what he did, or whether he acted merely on the impulse of his natural friendly courtesy toward all the world–he did an unheard-of thing. He stood up–stood up, for them, the “worse than dogs,” spoke a few words of kindness, looked them all over, slowly, and so, with a radiant smile, gave them his salute.

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  484. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Singhji, you might say that the Prince of Wales was a mlech. But he was the Prince of Wales at the height of the power of the British Empire, an empire bigger than the empires of Akbar, Ashoka or Chandragupta Maurya, one of the most powerful men on earth, son of the King Emperor of India at that time. Yet he was humble enough to salute the lowly dalits, to listen to their woes, to be kind to them.

    And here is my point Singhji,
    You can have your caste system, I agree caste is natural but they (lower castes) will never respect us until we do 2 things
    1] We upper castes and especially Brahmins have to be superior in ability and morality. Only then we can get their natural respect, a respect which will come from the heart not from the beating of a lathi.
    In ability, in IQ we are on average higher then them. But in morality most of us (not all) are lacking. Sikhs and North Eastern like Gurkhas, Sikkimese and the Tibetic peoples in general are more moral then upper caste Hindus from the plain region and South. But our Brahmans will have to be like the Brahmans of the Vedic period, those Brahmans who never lied even when facing death. We can shout about Arya varta (like the Arya samaji guys) or Jambhu Dweepa, but you have to behave like Aryans (noblemen) like our far ancestors. Those Aryans walked the earth and brought civilisation everywhere, they brought light to the ancient world while we spit on the road, shit, act like hooligans. And then we bleat about our Aryan forefathers, about Aryavartha, about Prince Bharata. Words are no use, we have to put it in action. Dalits/SCs and tribals are not dumb anymore to be fooled by words.
    We have become attached to rituals and behaviours, what food we eat, do we put the holy thread over the ear when we shit, we are stuck in only rituals, there is no essence, we need superior morality from the heart. Strangely such morality is found more today amongst the WASPs (Anglo Saxons, Germans, Scandinavians) and Japanese.
    That is the reason why the British could run such a huge and complicated subcontinent, superior ability and morality. We have to do the same and get respect.
    About Kshatriyas I have no much complaints as only some centuries ago we saw Kshatriyas give up their lives fighting Islamic hordes, death with honour. We have to bring it back. The Vaish have to become honest in trade, but that is only possible if we, the castes above Vaish can bring back our morality before lecturing others. Brahmins were supposed to be humble, so why the arrogance today?

    2] Irrational brutality against the lower castes have to be stopped. Indiscriminate killings of dalits by landlords as if they are less than animals have to stop. The original caste system may have not been meant to be like that. But you cannot deny things like this happen today. Lower caste women are stripped naked and paraded, lower castes forced to drink mud water. It seems like sadistic brutality. If this continues they will revolt like the revolt we saw in Pune and Mumbai some days back.

    If you can achieve the above two, only then can you think of bringing back Jaati system of Manusmruti.

  485. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Are all rappers transsexual because a few rappers behave or are forced to behave that way?

    Many of the major ones are.

    Shall we come to the conclusion that rap music is essentially gay,

    At this point in time, 2018…ABSOLUTELY, UNQUESTIONABLY, WITHOUT A SLIVER OF DOUBT!

    people who listen to rap, hip hop are closet homos. That would be dumb right.

    No, it would be quite smart because that is the exact effect the slavemasters are going for. They are not quite there yet, but that’s the goal.

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  486. Malla says:
    @Truth

    At this point in time, 2018…ABSOLUTELY, UNQUESTIONABLY, WITHOUT A SLIVER OF DOUBT!

    2018 yes but the whole art of Rap cannot be considered homosexual just because of the behaviour of rapstars. Rap as an art is bigger than mere rapstars.

    Similarly White Nationalism as a concept is bigger than White Nationalists.

  487. Truth says:
    @Malla

    That’s a good reference, but you are really starting to confuse me here, Sport.

    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i

    Secondly it seems that you do not particularly have respect for any Indian caste, religion, region, subgroup, state or other category. You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

    You see, Neo, this Philosopher-King stuff that I have mastered is not nearly as easy as it looks to the outsider, that is why I am so picky as to whom I take on as a student.

    You have great potential though, I must admit.

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  488. Malla says:
    @Truth

    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i

    That was addressed to Singh as we wishes to bring back the Manusmruti caste system in the form which existed before the British and the Christian missionaries came to India. I do not feel superior to no Dalit but an IQ gap between average lower caste folks and average upper caste folks exists.

    You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.

    I did not say 90% of Indians are fools, that was Periyar or Justice Katju and Periyar was talking how in a democracy, the stupidity of the masses would be exploited by the cunning Brahmin elites after the British leave. The British had earlier kept them in check and hence the Indian Independence movement to throw the British out by the Bramin Bania cabal as well as the hate by the same cabal for the Christian Missionaries who had done so much to help the poor ill treated dalits. Ofcourse this (politicians fooling the people) happens everywhere, but is more acute in India. Todays arrogant brahmins are nothing like the Vedic Brahmins 4000 years ago, all they do is rote learn the texts written by the Great ancients, there has been no innovation for centuries now. Strangely it is were the British in India who in character resembled the ancient Brahmins and Khsatriya warrior clans of old!!!!

    What I said was is browns cannot build first world countries easily in the post Industrial revolution world. We need to adopt some positive traits of pre WW2 Western civilization/ Western peoples /Japanese peoples (without giving up our cultural identity) if we have any hope to improve our nations.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

    I have no problem Thomm claiming 20% of his populations are fools, I have a problem with him trying to illegitimatise the ideology of White Nationalism/Separatism with all kinds of stupid claims and cheap tactics. He also seems to ignore that the first duty of the U.S. government is to raise the poor of America (blacks and whites) not only economically but also culturally before it can bring in immigrants. And a multiracial/ multicultural USA will eventually lead to an Indian like caste system in the far future. He is trying to portray WNism based on jealous lowly Whites against successful immigrants but that is not true, in some cases yes but White Nationalism/Separatism as an ideology cannot be just boxed inside such a phenomenon alone.

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  489. Ron Unz says:
    @Thomm

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.

    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that’s my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that “Thomm” fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he’s the “native-born American” he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he’s endlessly denouncing “WNs” and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he’s almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of “Internet crypsis.” Despite his endless emphasis on “IQ,” the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he’s actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that “attilathehen” character, who’s also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it’s difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I’ve ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla’s doubts, I strongly suspect that’s exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals…

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  490. Singh says:
    @Malla

    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You’re sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You’re a christian & that’s why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

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  491. Singh says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals.

    He gives a one sided take which merely reinforces the standard white christian civilized the world trope while ignoring any counter argument।।

    Also refuses to understand cause & effect but as I understand the hatred of the Rabbi for the Hindu is ancient & he seems to have caught his ear।।

    As in, his arguments are basic tier that even Britshit contemporaries refuted. Like the British removing Mughal rule or freeing anyone/benefitting economy etc.

    That a number of americans wish to exist in this delusion makes sense,

    They’re the world’s first liberal republic & the level of buy-in is unimaginable.

  492. Singh says:
    @Ron Unz

    If both Thomm & Malla are Indian I’m done.

    Caste System justified, I’ll just post occasional memes on Akarlin or Saker।।

    These types both need a lathi।।

    Stand by, w/e I said though।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  493. Client 9 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Derb’s mutant offspring are gross, and they look nothing like him. That’s what happens when you race mix. I guess in Derb’s case love is not only blind but desperate!

  494. Hacienda says:
    @Malla

    Lothrop Stoddard believed Nordics were the best race, Alpine second, Medish third, and Jews on the