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I’m having a fire sale on education stories this week. Also a parallel fire sale on quotes from my 2009 book We Are Doomed, because the education chapter of that book was the most fun to write and it’s pertinent to this week’s stories. Here’s a sort of keynote quote from that chapter:

The whole topic of education is a glorious feast for pessimists of all kinds.

51UKyuxepkLEducation story #1: PS , an elementary school, kindergarten through fifth grade, on West 70th Street in Manhattan. That’s a tony neighborhood. A two-bedroom apartment on West 70th will currently cost you around two million dollars.

I wrote about PS 199 in the education chapter of We Are Doomed. A kerfuffle had broken broke out in November 2008, when an apartment up there only cost one million dollars:

New York City’s education department wanted to make some adjustments to school district boundaries in Manhattan. You see, a lot of these people bought those million-dollar condos so that their kids could attend PS 199 on West 70th street. It’s a really good elementary school with great test results. If the proposed rezoning were to go through, though, their kids would have had to attend PS 191 at West 61st and Amsterdam Avenue. That’s a lousy school with dismal test results.

Naturally these liberal, progressive, Obama-voting parents were furious. But what exactly was it about P.S. 191 that made it compare so poorly with P.S. 199 in these parents’ eyes? Why did they think it’s a bad school? Why didn’t they want their kids to go there? What, actually, is the definition of the term “bad school”? What makes a bad school bad?

Not to keep you in suspense, gentle reader, but I looked up the student stats for the two schools on the GreatSchools.net website at the time. For PS 199, the good school those parents shelled out a million bucks for: Ice People [i.e. white and Asian students] 80 percent, Sun People [blacks and Hispanics] 19 percent. For the school our progressive post-racial liberal citizens angrily did not want their kids to go to: Ice People 12 percent, Sun People 88 percent.

Forward ten years to this last week. New York City has a new Schools Chancellor, Richard Carranza, appointed last month by the city’s communist Mayor Bill de Blasio. Carranza is of Mexican parentage. He started his education career as a bilingual teacher in Tucson. And he is, of course, fiercely anti-white.

So the city Department of Education has cooked up a scheme to diversify city middle schools by reserving places in the best ones—25 percent of places—for kids with the lowest test scores in state exams. That means of course that a corresponding number of kids who scored high on the exams will be placed in crappy middle schools.

Just as in 2008, the Upper West Side Ice People are furious about this. It’s their kids that do well on exams, so it’s their kids that will be assigned to sinkhole middle schools while the most dimwitted and misbehaving Sun People kids will be bused into their schools.

You can actually see their fury on YouTube below. You’ll see a video of a meeting of parents held at, yes, PS 199. There are thirty or forty parents in that room screeching angrily at Department of Education honchos. You can’t help but notice there are not many raisins in that bun—none at all that I could see.

That video upset Schools Chancellor Carranza. He tweeted it under the headline “Watch wealthy white Manhattan parents angrily rant against plan to bring more black kids to their schools.”

See, Chancellor Carranza didn’t get the memo that while it is of course fine to be anti-white, the proper targets of one’s anti-whiteness are middle- and working-class white Americans. You are not supposed to direct your anti-white wrath against rich and gentry whites. That is, as the kids say, “not OK.”

199The political line-up in the U.S.A. today is top and bottom versus the middle. Rich whites and aggrieved Mexican-Americans are supposed to be on the same side against deplorable Trump voters—of whom, I venture to speculate, there are very, very few living in two-million-dollar apartments on Manhattan’s Upper West Side.

How did that last effort to diversify West Side schools work out? I just looked up today’s student stats for those two schools I wrote about in We Are Doomed. In 2008 PS 199 was 80 percent Ice People; today it’s 79 percent. The other school, PS 191 was only 12 percent Ice People back then; today it’s 20 percent, reflecting ongoing gentrification.

Upper West Side Ice People have held their own this past ten years and even made some advances. My bet would be on them having their way over the Schools Chancellor on this latest scheme.

I shall report back again on efforts to diversify Upper West Side schools in the year 2028.

Education Story #2: Another brief quote from We Are Doomed:

The recent history of modern public-education reform in this country is very nearly a history of the determination on the part of white and East Asian parents that their children not attend schools with too many black and Hispanic students.

Here’s the latest illustration, from the Associated Press, District Move To Keep White Students Cites “Racial Balance”, by Kantele Franko, April 27th, 2018.

The district is Liberty School District, north of Youngstown, Ohio. The nub of the story is that white students, which I assume means whites plus East Asians—Ice People— who live in the Liberty district are enrolling in schools outside the district, because the Liberty district is getting too minority.

ORDER IT NOW

The authorities in Liberty want to stop this happening, and they’re invoking a state law from the year 2000 that lets them. If you’re an Ice Person and you live in the Liberty district, the law says you can be barred from sending your kids tuition-free to a public school outside the district.

Note this is the opposite of the old problem where Sun People kids were bused into Ice People schools. Liberty isn’t trying to keep its schools white by keeping blacks out; it’s trying to keep its schools white by keeping white kids in.

Usually the way to figure out what’s going on demographically in a school district is to find big public elementary, middle, and high schools in the same zip code and look at the proportions of Ice People versus Sun People in each school. If there’s a definite gradient—if there are more Sun People (blacks and Hispanics) in the middle school than in the high school, and more yet in the elementary school, you know this is a district that is demographically “turning.”

I tried this out with the Liberty School District. High school: Liberty High School, student body 39 percent Sun People. Middle school: William S. Guy Middle School, student body 36 percent Sun People. Elementary school: E.J. Blott Elementary School, student body 40 percent Sun People.

I don’t know what to make of that. There is actually a negative gradient from high school to middle school, with more Sun People in the high school. The elementary school does have a higher proportion than both, but only by a slim margin.

Perhaps it’s high school that concentrates the parents’ minds. Without them fleeing at that point, the high school’s Sun People proportion would be lower.

All those figures are close to twice the proportion of Sun People living in the district, though, so there is definitely white flight.

The AP story quotes neighboring Girard School District as the one white students are fleeing to. I looked up their high school: Sun People eight percent.

The Girard school board president said his district doesn’t do targeted recruiting and welcomes any students who choose to attend as long as they’re in good standing and the school has room. The AP report quotes him as saying, “I don’t care what color they are,” and says he was frustrated to be talking about race at all.

Well, duh. Of course, it’s frustrating. It’s frustrating because everyone knows the plain realities here. But everyone also knows that speaking honestly about them can get you fired and ostracized.

This is life under a regime of compulsory public dishonesty.

Education Story #3: My final story is about higher education, college education, for students from poor families. “Poor” is defined to mean a family income below $40,000.

How well do colleges do at educating these students from poor families? Well, no surprise, some colleges do better than others.

Strikingly, though, one state system stands out:

Schools in the University of California system are doing significantly better than other four-year colleges and universities in the country when it comes to enrolling low-income students and seeing them across the finish line.

That quote is from a thoughtful and quite long—over a thousand words—May 1st article by Adam Harris in The Atlantic monthly: The University of California Stands Out Among Top Schools When It Comes to Serving Poor Students.

OK, here’s the punchline to the story: Nowhere in that thousand-word article is there any speculation that California might have more poor East and South Asians than other states.

Does it, actually? I don’t know, but on general principles I’d think it likely. Wouldn’t it be something that would occur to an investigative reporter, something worth a mention—a sentence or two, perhaps—in a thousand-word piece?

No, it wouldn’t—not to a totally CultMarx-compliant writer, one who has schooled himself rigorously in the belief that, but for social disadvantages, all human races are perfectly equal in capabilities—and in the meta-belief that to believe otherwise is wicked.

 

2010-12-24dl[1] John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author ofWe Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The American education systems is toast or a potato —-stick a fork in it. There is no recovery from the damage from both the right and the left. What’s nice about the video is that these people are usually the type of progressives (Marxists) that vote for dickheads like DeBlasio and his Leftist friends. These people are the “Caviar Left.” Now their insane ideology has come back to haunt them like some specter from Hell. Now they will pay for their insane ideas about everyone being the same intellectually with the destruction of their children’s education. What’s worse these idiots just sat there when the Principal just basically called them racists for wanting to get their children a good education.

    I’ve always tried to convince Conservatives that they don’t know how to play the game against these Rich Marxists. It’s simple! Make them hurt and show them for what they really are. For example, when these jack asses like DeNiro, Moore and others start calling everyone racist just drop about 50 Mexicans, Somalians or other illegally arrived immigrants at one of their properties and make sure the cameras are rolling. Tell them they have so much room they should share it with their fellow humans.

    Until all of these groups feel the pain they will continue to play their racist games. The same for Khazars. Drop a few hundred illegals off at their rich centers and tell them since they are for unbridled immigration they should take these people in.

    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids. The Universities are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Unless you are getting a STEM degree it’s a waste of money. The problem is contrary to America’s belief system most students aren’t smart enough to get STEM degrees. We are headed for the collapse of all systems and you should prepare accordingly and education is one of the first to go.

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    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids.
     
    I agree. Our local homeschool co-op is huge and growing, even in a district full of tech professionals. The local public schools have pretty much been taken over by Asian kids, mostly recent arrivals from India and China. 98% of homeschooling families are white. Many are staunchly conservative, most do it for religious reasons but there are also quite a few tech professionals who choose to homeschool because of our public schools' lousy program for gifted kids.
    , @SMK
    You forgot to mention Hillary Clinton. If, miraculously, she is prosecuted and convicted of all or some of the felonies she's committed, don't sentence her to prison. Fine her, take all of her ill-begotten wealth and force her to live in poverty in Detroit or LA or Mexico or Africa or Central America, nations and cities and regions in which there are no "baskets of deplorables."
    , @Patrick Pappano
    Right on. I was amazed the Principal was able to get away with that speech. And these are the people who are going to fix America! Unbelievable.
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  2. The problem is simple, good education increases social differences.
    In all western countries politicians did not want this, in the Netherlands it began around 1960.
    The result, an academic degree of today is equivalent to a gymnasium education of 1960.
    It has been argued here that USA military technology is far behind Russia and China, if so, this may be the result.
    Another result, in my opinion, stupid politicians.
    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010
    Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London

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    Neither Russia or China's military technology exceeds ours. China is still trying to steal ours, and Russia is pathetically behind us. The super weapons Putin announced don't exist.
    , @Thirdeye
    Lasch was a good read. Definitely helped evolve my view of the culture wars. The rot of the West in the last 40 or so years has resoundingly confirmed Lasch's thesis, IMO.
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  3. Miro23 says:

    See, Chancellor Carranza didn’t get the memo that while it is of course fine to be anti-white, the proper targets of one’s anti-whiteness are middle- and working-class white Americans. You are not supposed to direct your anti-white wrath against rich and gentry whites. That is, as the kids say, “not OK.”

    These collaborators are part of the Nomenklatura (where different rules apply), so they’re understandably shocked that their privileges are being questioned.

    However, there could be more of this coming down. Stalin periodically scythed parts of his Nomenklatura to stop them getting too comfortable, keep the fear level up and remind them who was in charge.

    The US elite don’t like their collaborators – e.g. the Grahams, Clintons and McCains – and would similarly no doubt enjoy humiliating them from time to time.

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  4. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Can’t those rich parents scream it’s anti-Semitic to place schvartzes in with G-d’s Chosen? If that doesn’t work, bring up holocaust imagery and call school honcho Richard Carranza, the new Hitler, that always works.

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    Ironically, I bet the gr grandfathers of these kids donated to AJC ADL NACCP funds used to litigate Brown vs Topeka.

    Grand parents probably went on those Freesom rides, went to law school and litigated school bussing and putting section 8 housing in White neighborhoods
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  5. dearieme says:

    “there are not many raisins in that bun”: I hooted.

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  6. Randal says:

    “Watch wealthy white Manhattan parents angrily rant against plan to bring more black kids to their schools.”

    I’ll venture to suggest that “wealthy white Manhattanites” are probably overwhelmingly Democrat in voting preference and crushingly pc when it comes to toeing the antiracist etc line, at least in public, and at least when the direct interests of their own children are not at risk.

    But rank leftist hypocrisy over the education of their children is absolutely the norm in the US and UK. Recall all the UK leftist politicians determined to impose state comprehensive education on the nation who nevertheless thought it was fine to send their own children to private or elite selective state schools. The most famous case in the UK was Diane Abbot, but there were many other examples, from Blair, Lord Falconer and Harriet Harman to Clegg and Chakrabarti more recently. As this revealingly selective Telegraph apologia shows, this position is in practice winked at by the Labour hierarchy:

    Shami Chakrabarti is not a hypocrite for sending her son to private school – but Corbyn might be one for appointing her

    This should be unsurprising, as it merely reflects the underlying “do as I say not as I do”, “rules for thee but not for me” hypocrisy of the authoritarian left, but it’s still intensely annoying that they get away with it so routinely.

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    But rank leftist hypocrisy over the education of their children is absolutely the norm in the US and UK. Recall all the UK leftist politicians determined to impose state comprehensive education on the nation who nevertheless thought it was fine to send their own children to private or elite selective state schools

     


    This should be unsurprising, as it merely reflects the underlying “do as I say not as I do”, “rules for thee but not for me” hypocrisy of the authoritarian left, but it’s still intensely annoying that they get away with it so routinely.
     
    Allow me to engage in what even to me sounds like a "conspiracy theory". I know it's going off the deep end, but hey it's fun. Here goes:

    Maybe the elite are not hypocritical, but rather deliberately malicious in their policies.

    By forcing weaker students onto more intelligent (but non-rich) ones, via forced integration, they lower the general standards and qualifications of ALL who are not of their favored class (themselves and their children).

    In the long run, anyone not already rich, including whites, would be denied high quality education, and would be rendered unable to compete with the rich's children.

    This cements the elite's hold on the upper rungs of society.

    Meanwhile, the elite's children can attend high-quality schools with high standards, schools that will not be racially integrated - ever. The higher educational attainment these schools make more likely then paves the way for their offspring's continued dominance.

    Tell me I am not onto something, eh?

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  7. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    The writer of story 3, Adam Harris, is a person of vibrant negritude, relatively unadmixed from his photo. He doesn’t do #InvestigativeJournalismSoWhite.

    Jeffrey Goldberg hired about two dozen diversity hires recently to inclusify the Atlantic’s staff of 300. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Harris wasn’t one of them, and did not undergo extreme vetting.

    Ah, here we go, from Linked in:

    Experience

    The Atlantic

    Staff Writer
    Company Name The Atlantic
    Dates Employed Apr 2018 – Present Employment Duration2 mos
    Location Washington D.C. Metro Area
    Covering a range of issues affecting higher education with an emphasis on inequality.

    The Chronicle of Higher Education

    Reporter
    Company Name The Chronicle of Higher Education
    Dates Employed Feb 2017 – Mar 2018 Employment Duration1 yr 2 mos
    Location Washington D.C. Metro Area
    Providing engaged, in-the-moment, and analytical coverage of developing news, shedding light on campus events and trends, evolutions in public policy, and how institutions grapple with concerns about diversity, inclusion, and campus climates, among other topics.

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    "Covering a range of issues affecting higher education with an emphasis on inequality"

    AND i'm sure finds that everywhere he looks.
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  8. KenH says:

    Upper West Side Ice People have held their own this past ten years and even made some advances.

    It helps when you’re in the upper income tax bracket. Their access to top flight legal resources and connections to powerful people enables them to beat back efforts at diversifying. Poor, working class and middle class whites don’t have this luxury and must suffer in silence as their schools and neighborhoods are slowly destroyed via forced diversification.

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    Of course. It's the same in the wealthy North Shore suburbs of Chicago, which has plenty of parents who are politically connected and quite willing to file lawsuits if necessary.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Here in Los Angeles, there aren't even majority-white schools to flee to without leaving the City and, often, the whole County. And Orange County is changing fast and clearly the next to go.

    Short of homeschooling or a very expensive private school, the least bad option here can be seeking out a majority-Chinese or otherwise majority-Asian public school.

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  9. Jews don’t want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain’t fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That’s for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

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    I assume you are ignorant of the what Quakers have done for 200 years + and what Unitarian-Universalists have done first as two groups and then as one, and what Social Gospel Episcopalians and Methodists and later Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed have done, what non-Southern Baptists have done since at least the mid-1800s, what the Congregationalists and the United Church of Christ have done, what the Rockefeller family has done.

    Jews did not start the problem. Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic liberal Christians/heretics did.And now everybody is on the bandwagon, because that is what America's Elites demand, what the UK Elites demand, the German Elites, etc.

    , @Wally
    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don't accept.:
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s
    "Netanyahu has called the migrants' presence a threat to Israel's social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as "a cancer"."

    Must read:
    Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Jews demand massive immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

    , @Z-man

    Jews don’t want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain’t fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That’s for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!
     
    I just had this program, BBC's 'Dateline London' on in the background (as background noise, lol) and I heard this presumably shit lib Brit, probably trying to impress his fellow shitlibs on the panel, talk about anti Semitism this and anti Semitic that, that I had to get up from my computer to look who was saying this and thinking no you dope 'they' are destroying the English (European/white) race, you fool!
    I think he was sitting next to a French Jew which makes it even more obvious who he was trying to impress, the fool.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Can you blame them? In addition to wanting to keep rigorous curricula from being "dumbed down" (remember their heavy emphasis on getting professional degrees), they don't want their kids beaten up. Maybe they don't admit it to the media for obvious reasons, but they know damned well their kids are in worse danger from "Diversity" than they are from every WASP in town.
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  10. Travis says:

    California does have far fewer Blacks than most States….just 7% of the population in CA is Black , while 14% of Americans are Black.

    Here in the Northeast, NY and NJ , the Black population is 18% (more than double the Black pop of California)

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    CA has the highest poverty rate in the US.
    , @RadicalCenter
    NJ is NOT 18% African; it's about 13%.

    Big difference, and thank God, they have enough problems already.

    NJ is, however, 17% Hispanic/Latino (don't know the racial breakdown of that group), which reflects a terribly fast increase from a fraction of that just a few decades ago.
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  11. Jake says:

    The absolute hypocrisy of Liberals regarding race is well beyond funny. It should be recognized as behind almost all the worst insanity to overtake this nation and the entire West since the 1960s. And it is therefore responsible for starting us on the path to cultural suicide.

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  12. Jake says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Jews don't want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain't fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That's for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

    I assume you are ignorant of the what Quakers have done for 200 years + and what Unitarian-Universalists have done first as two groups and then as one, and what Social Gospel Episcopalians and Methodists and later Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed have done, what non-Southern Baptists have done since at least the mid-1800s, what the Congregationalists and the United Church of Christ have done, what the Rockefeller family has done.

    Jews did not start the problem. Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic liberal Christians/heretics did.And now everybody is on the bandwagon, because that is what America’s Elites demand, what the UK Elites demand, the German Elites, etc.

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    Jews did not start the problem. Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic liberal Christians/heretics did.
     
    The problem is that conservatives do exactly what liberals do - they ignore anything that doesn't fit their Narrative. The idea that Christianity (especially the Protestant heresy) may be the Achilles Heel of western civilisation does not fit the right-wing narrative. It's a message conservatives don't want to hear.
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  13. In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico? Whatever the explanation, ignoring the question, or perhaps simply not knowing enough to know that there is a question, is, well, normal.

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    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico?
     
    Yes, one would expect that. One might also ask why a "responsible, modern, education-oriented" regime, like that of Mexico, would dump its poor and uneducatable into the American kiddie pool?

    I do not want to pay to "educate" 2SD foreign brats. That's why there's laws against illegal border crossing, laws against hiring illegal aliens, and laws requiring citizenship or equivalence of children enrolled in public schools. I want those laws enforced in my country - just as diligently as those laws are enforced in Mexico.
    , @anon
    If there really is such a stark difference between the illiterate hispanics in the US and their compatriots in Mexico, Mexico would not be such a shithole.
    , @Yan Shen
    Well I'm not nearly as sanguine about Hispanics as you are, but since I'm also not one of those crazy white nationalist types, I do agree with you that white nationalist thinking is often sloppy at best. For instance, white nationalists rarely if ever distinguish between the obviously superior performance of many African immigrant groups in this country versus the lackluster performance of African Americans, both educationally and behaviorally.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

    The possibility that there may be cognitively elite subgroups such as the Igbo or the Yoruba surely would one of the most interesting discoveries of HBD and perhaps offer some hopeful path forward for an obviously bad situation in that part of the world. Alas, apart from morbidly fantasizing about feral blacks holding knives to his children's throats, I haven't really seen Derbyshire ever discussing these sorts of far more interesting things...

    I grew up in Texas and participated in competitive mathematics in high school and I seem to remember that there were a particular group of schools with large Hispanic populations down in the McAllen-Edinburg-Mission area that actually had a number of high performing Hispanics, a few who were particularly renowned for their competitive mathematics prowess.

    , @gcochran
    There's a very simple explanation: you're wrong. Mexican kids do worse than US Hispanics on PISA.

    In most of northern Mexico, kids do worse than US Hispanics, but better than blacks.

    In most of southern Mexico, kids do worse than US blacks.


    "The DF (Mexico City) with a score of 445.11 and Queretaro with a score of 440.43 are the only states that do better (barely) than US Hispanics (439)."
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  14. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Here are the stats from PS 199 and PS 191 per greatschools.com:

    PS 199: Jesse Isador Straus(K-5), 270 W 70th St., NYC

    Demographics:
    66% white
    14% Hispanic
    13% Asian or Pacific Islander
    6% two or more races
    1% black

    Test scores (% proficient):
    Math: 85% all students
    - White: 87%
    - Hispanic: 70%
    - Asian: 91%

    English: 80% all students
    - White: 83%
    - Hispanic: 66%
    - Asian: 88%

    PS 191 Amsterdam (PK-8), 300 W 61st St., NY, NY 10023
    Demographics:
    46% hispanic
    33% Black
    12% White
    8% Asian
    1% two or more races

    Test Scores: (% proficient)
    English: 26% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 20%
    - Black: 29%

    Math: 14% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 8%
    - Black: 16%

    I have never seen a school that has pre-school through 8th grade all in the same building (PS191), can’t imagine 8th graders alongside pre-school kids, how safe is that for the younger kids, esp. given the demographics?

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    I have never seen a school that has pre-school through 8th grade all in the same building (PS191), can’t imagine 8th graders alongside pre-school kids, how safe is that for the younger kids, esp. given the demographics?
     
    Yes.
    I went to a Catholic grammar school grades 1-8 in the same building but the Nuns kept a tight ship, lol, and the demographics were predominantly white until the last year or so when it jumped up to over 30% Hispanic and other, the next year, after I graduated, the school was closed. This was back in the early 70's.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I wouldn't even want our kids immersed in either of the two deadly demographics -- African or Mexican/Latino -- if they were the SAME age.

    You're right, and we shouldn't even have fifth-graders in the same building with eighth-graders, particularly with these savage demographics.
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  15. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Liberal hypocrisy on full display. These limousine liberals are getting what they rich deserved, the government they voted for. The Seattle Times recently had one article by a (((white))) libtard who is all upset about being surrounded by the homeless in his neighborhood, and was told to go F himself when he complained to the city council that he voted for. So after 14 year’s he’s moving…to the East Side. The problem with these libtards is, they’ll bring their voting habit with them and continue to vote for the same stupid (D) government everywhere they go, so they’ll just F up the new neighborhood. The East Side used to be staunchly Republican until 2016, when the huge influx of Indian and other tech workers turned it solidly blue. Libtards ruin every neighborhood they move into:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/after-14-years-ive-had-it-im-leaving-seattle/

    The liberal mantra on education is:

    Why have pockets of excellence when you can have uniform mediocrity?

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    Relatives live in Capitol Hill. That’s
    Sawant’s district and of course they gave her money and voted for her.

    They travel a lot and always took cabs to the airport. But the African immigrant drivers always say the credit card machine is broken and demand cash, a lot more cash than the trip costs.

    And they are really nasty and horrible to the wife when she’s alone. So now if they can’t get a ride with someone they take the city bus to the airport.

    The real problem in Capitol Hill is the Somalian burglars roaming the alleys jumping the back fences and robbing the houses. That’s been going in for awhile.

    Lately homeless in campers and cars park for 3 nights in one place which they are legally allowed. Ultra liberal Capitol Hill is outraged. But the law is 3 nights parking and the camper dwellers move the campers every 3 days.

    Of course the police have been so intimidated by liberal demonstrations and caterwauling they are afraid to do anything.

    I’m sure they will vote for Sawant in the next election despite the fact that Sawant does nothing for the district or Seattle, just positions herself as a radical making herself be known to the radical wing of the democrats.
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  16. I wonder that Richard Carranza has the nerve to grow that skimpy beard, since his Mexican paisanos would inevitably compare it, unfavorably, with the famous beard of his namesake, Venustiano Carranza, the 37th President of Mexico.

    I know about Carranza because several years ago, when I let my beard grow out pretty long, the Mexican chaps I worked with started calling me “Carranza”.

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    How come Mexican presidents are all so white? Mexicans be so raciss.
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  17. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @niteranger
    The American education systems is toast or a potato ----stick a fork in it. There is no recovery from the damage from both the right and the left. What's nice about the video is that these people are usually the type of progressives (Marxists) that vote for dickheads like DeBlasio and his Leftist friends. These people are the "Caviar Left." Now their insane ideology has come back to haunt them like some specter from Hell. Now they will pay for their insane ideas about everyone being the same intellectually with the destruction of their children's education. What's worse these idiots just sat there when the Principal just basically called them racists for wanting to get their children a good education.

    I've always tried to convince Conservatives that they don't know how to play the game against these Rich Marxists. It's simple! Make them hurt and show them for what they really are. For example, when these jack asses like DeNiro, Moore and others start calling everyone racist just drop about 50 Mexicans, Somalians or other illegally arrived immigrants at one of their properties and make sure the cameras are rolling. Tell them they have so much room they should share it with their fellow humans.

    Until all of these groups feel the pain they will continue to play their racist games. The same for Khazars. Drop a few hundred illegals off at their rich centers and tell them since they are for unbridled immigration they should take these people in.

    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids. The Universities are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Unless you are getting a STEM degree it's a waste of money. The problem is contrary to America's belief system most students aren't smart enough to get STEM degrees. We are headed for the collapse of all systems and you should prepare accordingly and education is one of the first to go.

    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids.

    I agree. Our local homeschool co-op is huge and growing, even in a district full of tech professionals. The local public schools have pretty much been taken over by Asian kids, mostly recent arrivals from India and China. 98% of homeschooling families are white. Many are staunchly conservative, most do it for religious reasons but there are also quite a few tech professionals who choose to homeschool because of our public schools’ lousy program for gifted kids.

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  18. which I assume means whites plus East Asians

    Your yellow fever is showing, Youngstown Ohio in the 2010 census had an Asian population of 0.4%. Less than 300 Asians out of a population of 67,000. So that “plus” is pretty small.

    Thankfully, much of America is still relatively free of the yellow peril.

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    Yup. Derbyshire always lumps in East Asians with whites, for obvious reasons.
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  19. Wally says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Jews don't want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain't fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That's for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don’t accept.:

    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s

    “Netanyahu has called the migrants’ presence a threat to Israel’s social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as “a cancer”.”

    Must read:
    Forget the ‘slippery slope’ — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Jews demand massive immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

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    Maybe they're trying to scare U.S. and European Jews into moving to Israel, so they can contribute to their insane taxation rates.
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  20. Wally says:
    @Travis
    California does have far fewer Blacks than most States....just 7% of the population in CA is Black , while 14% of Americans are Black.

    Here in the Northeast, NY and NJ , the Black population is 18% (more than double the Black pop of California)

    CA has the highest poverty rate in the US.

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  21. I wonder if this one will make it on Derb’s radar:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11732

    I think we know the answer. Derb is the Rand Paul of the alt-right.

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    You seem to have a few more IQ points than Wally so you would see the importance to historical truth of finding ways to check the unfortunately slim evidence as it would have to be in a proper jury trial today. I have in mind starting with records of who and how many were in the Jewish communities of Europe in say 1938 and tracing them through to the corresponding populations (including refugees and their children) in 1948 or a bit after. One could apply the average birth and death rates for say1925 to 1935 to get a base estimate - in addition to tracing individuals - from which one could then infer how many were missing because of WW2 events. Is that what Vad Yashem purports to memorialise? I understand that iit says about 1.3 of the 6 million are unidentified which raises a question about how the 6 million is calculated but hardly casts doubt on the Nazis (particularly Hitler's and Himmler's) genocidal intentions and attempts once it was clear that they couldn't achieve expulsion to Palestine or whatever might have given them a less costly solution to the perceived problem.
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  22. Alfa158 says:

    A commenter in another blog post on the subject of PS199 wrote that they pulled up the 2016 election results for the precincts around PS199, and Trump got something like 8% of the vote, or about the same as a typical black precinct.
    I don’t remember who wrote about NYC Jews; “they live like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans.”

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    i.e. they got the government they voted for.

    I think it's great that Carranza exposed them for the hypocrites they all are. I hope he succeeds in desegregating all the schools in NYC. Give these people the government they deserve.
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  23. Z-man says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Jews don't want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain't fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That's for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

    Jews don’t want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain’t fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That’s for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

    I just had this program, BBC’s ‘Dateline London’ on in the background (as background noise, lol) and I heard this presumably shit lib Brit, probably trying to impress his fellow shitlibs on the panel, talk about anti Semitism this and anti Semitic that, that I had to get up from my computer to look who was saying this and thinking no you dope ‘they’ are destroying the English (European/white) race, you fool!
    I think he was sitting next to a French Jew which makes it even more obvious who he was trying to impress, the fool.

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  24. @Father O'Hara
    Jews don't want no nigras coming round,you hear?!
    Them nigras ain't fittin classmates for our fine hebraic chilluns!
    That's for the goyim!!! You hear me boy? Oy!

    Can you blame them? In addition to wanting to keep rigorous curricula from being “dumbed down” (remember their heavy emphasis on getting professional degrees), they don’t want their kids beaten up. Maybe they don’t admit it to the media for obvious reasons, but they know damned well their kids are in worse danger from “Diversity” than they are from every WASP in town.

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  25. Z-man says:
    @anon
    Here are the stats from PS 199 and PS 191 per greatschools.com:

    PS 199: Jesse Isador Straus(K-5), 270 W 70th St., NYC

    Demographics:
    66% white
    14% Hispanic
    13% Asian or Pacific Islander
    6% two or more races
    1% black

    Test scores (% proficient):
    Math: 85% all students
    - White: 87%
    - Hispanic: 70%
    - Asian: 91%

    English: 80% all students
    - White: 83%
    - Hispanic: 66%
    - Asian: 88%

    PS 191 Amsterdam (PK-8), 300 W 61st St., NY, NY 10023
    Demographics:
    46% hispanic
    33% Black
    12% White
    8% Asian
    1% two or more races

    Test Scores: (% proficient)
    English: 26% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 20%
    - Black: 29%

    Math: 14% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 8%
    - Black: 16%

    I have never seen a school that has pre-school through 8th grade all in the same building (PS191), can't imagine 8th graders alongside pre-school kids, how safe is that for the younger kids, esp. given the demographics?

    I have never seen a school that has pre-school through 8th grade all in the same building (PS191), can’t imagine 8th graders alongside pre-school kids, how safe is that for the younger kids, esp. given the demographics?

    Yes.
    I went to a Catholic grammar school grades 1-8 in the same building but the Nuns kept a tight ship, lol, and the demographics were predominantly white until the last year or so when it jumped up to over 30% Hispanic and other, the next year, after I graduated, the school was closed. This was back in the early 70′s.

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  26. Nowhere in that thousand-word article is there any speculation that California might have more poor East and South Asians than other states.

    Does it, actually? I don’t know

    Obviously if you don’t add the speculations of an old racist to your writing then you are some kind of Cultural Marxist.

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    In reference to California and East and South Asian poverty...

    If anyone cares about trying to find a real answer rather than just virtue signaling, this census publication has the raw data to check: https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acsbr11-17.pdf

    I don't care enough to do the calculations, but it seems like a reasonable question to be asking. Especially given that they were looking at a University population (i.e. selective).

    What is odd is that publication has detailed state breakdowns (Tables 1-8) for every race except for Blacks.

    When interpreting the census data be careful about their handling of whites. Hispanics are ~1/7 of the white population but account for over 1/4 of the white poverty. This increases the white poverty rate from 9,9 to 11.6 (Table 1).

    This data gives state population percentages by race: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
    15% of Californians are Asian (38% white, 5% Black, 39% Hispanic)--the highest in the Nation. Given that and a fairly typical 11.0% CA poverty rate for Asians (11.7% nationally) I think Derb has a decent chance of being onto something. And it does seem like something a decent investigative reporter should at least consider.
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  27. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Liberal hypocrisy on full display. These limousine liberals are getting what they rich deserved, the government they voted for. The Seattle Times recently had one article by a (((white))) libtard who is all upset about being surrounded by the homeless in his neighborhood, and was told to go F himself when he complained to the city council that he voted for. So after 14 year's he's moving...to the East Side. The problem with these libtards is, they'll bring their voting habit with them and continue to vote for the same stupid (D) government everywhere they go, so they'll just F up the new neighborhood. The East Side used to be staunchly Republican until 2016, when the huge influx of Indian and other tech workers turned it solidly blue. Libtards ruin every neighborhood they move into:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/after-14-years-ive-had-it-im-leaving-seattle/

    The liberal mantra on education is:

    Why have pockets of excellence when you can have uniform mediocrity?

    Relatives live in Capitol Hill. That’s
    Sawant’s district and of course they gave her money and voted for her.

    They travel a lot and always took cabs to the airport. But the African immigrant drivers always say the credit card machine is broken and demand cash, a lot more cash than the trip costs.

    And they are really nasty and horrible to the wife when she’s alone. So now if they can’t get a ride with someone they take the city bus to the airport.

    The real problem in Capitol Hill is the Somalian burglars roaming the alleys jumping the back fences and robbing the houses. That’s been going in for awhile.

    Lately homeless in campers and cars park for 3 nights in one place which they are legally allowed. Ultra liberal Capitol Hill is outraged. But the law is 3 nights parking and the camper dwellers move the campers every 3 days.

    Of course the police have been so intimidated by liberal demonstrations and caterwauling they are afraid to do anything.

    I’m sure they will vote for Sawant in the next election despite the fact that Sawant does nothing for the district or Seattle, just positions herself as a radical making herself be known to the radical wing of the democrats.

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    Looks like your relatives got what they deserve then. But instead of staying put to be enriched by the diversity they voted for, Seattle Times reported that they are moving in drove to Snohomish and Pierce counties, so they can F up these counties as well, now that they've ruined the entire King county incl. the east side. Liberals destroy every city they move to.

    Sawant needs to be deported back to her native India, along with PayPal and Minka Dinga in Redmond. These dimwit dot heads ruined their own country w/ socialism and now they're here to ruin ours with more of the same.

    Seattle's Jewish cemetery was recently desecrated by the homeless, who went in there to pee, poop, sleep, litter and destroyed many of the headstones. Now the Jews are all up in arms but the Seattle Council wouldn't do a thing. Yet 99.99% of them will still only vote for any breathing thing with a (D) after their names. Talk about poetic justice.

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  28. Public education is not about learning. It’s about credentialing. Credit for time spent in the classroom justifying the teacher, the principal, assorted advisers, the janitor, etc. At the end of the established time in the classroom, you are awarded a certificate of accomplishment. A credential.
    Real education, what you have learned, is completely yours. It is unique to you. It is everything you have experienced so far in life.
    The same electronic revolution that has made so many old jobs obsolete, will do the same for Formal Education. If you don’t think so, just axe (sic) Alexa.

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    You are right, the education in the US now works essentially like prison: time served is the only thing that matters. But that is a problem. The US does not have enough natural resources per person or cheap workforce, so science and technology are the only factors that can ensure decent future for the country. Under the influence of greedy Pentagon contractors both are sacrificed on the altar of endless wars.
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  29. @Frederick V. Reed
    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn't you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico? Whatever the explanation, ignoring the question, or perhaps simply not knowing enough to know that there is a question, is, well, normal.

    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico?

    Yes, one would expect that. One might also ask why a “responsible, modern, education-oriented” regime, like that of Mexico, would dump its poor and uneducatable into the American kiddie pool?

    I do not want to pay to “educate” 2SD foreign brats. That’s why there’s laws against illegal border crossing, laws against hiring illegal aliens, and laws requiring citizenship or equivalence of children enrolled in public schools. I want those laws enforced in my country – just as diligently as those laws are enforced in Mexico.

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    Would you, if you could,. dump most of America's poor and/or uneducated and/or criminally convicted blacks in another country?

    Mexican elites do things to encourage poor Mexicans to move here because it helps them as elites. And they get away with it because the American Elites want the hordes here.

    Your fight should not be with Fred Reed, not even with poor Mexicans who snuck in here. It should be against our super rich. They make it happen.
    , @Anon7
    We don't just educate foreign "brats", we also educate foreign "model students."

    Here's how it works in California. A family in China sends its most promising son to distant relatives in California. As soon as #1 son arrives in Cali, he enrolls in the best nearby high school, which is required by law to accept him and educate him for free (thank you very much, Supremes 1981). The kid then does school work for as many hours per week as are necessary for a 4.0 average and top SAT scores.

    Then, the kid applies to college. California schools are required by law to take the top "state" students. This explains why Cali colleges typically have 2-3 times as many asian students as white students.

    OTOH, this trick has been used so successfully for decades that many of these kids are the children of those kids who snuck in, and so are US citizens.

    So it goes.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Kindly, reasonably, and eloquently put.
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  30. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    A commenter in another blog post on the subject of PS199 wrote that they pulled up the 2016 election results for the precincts around PS199, and Trump got something like 8% of the vote, or about the same as a typical black precinct.
    I don’t remember who wrote about NYC Jews; “they live like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans.”

    i.e. they got the government they voted for.

    I think it’s great that Carranza exposed them for the hypocrites they all are. I hope he succeeds in desegregating all the schools in NYC. Give these people the government they deserve.

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    NYC public schools are 16% white. The segregation that exists is due to the fact there aren't enough whites to go around. The well-to-do spend $40,000 to send their kids to private school, Catholic Archdiocese high schools are $7-8,000.

    Certain neighborhoods become self-fulfilling magnets for the neighborhood school--high priced real estate attracts high income owners who sent their kids to the neighborhood school perpetuating the school's reputation, hence brandishing the property values in the catchment area for the school.

    To redraw the district lines or to change the admission criteria will have a significant impact on property values. It's the reason people vote pocketbook issues first in priority.
    , @Rod1963
    You know in the not distant future, the brownskins will have enough clout via numbers to simply blow off the complaints of rich Whites, Jews and Asians whom they despise.

    That's the problem with those entitled high IQ types. Insufferably arrogant and incapable of thinking through the longer term implications of their social engineering experiments.

    They never understood the bigger picture that all whites are in it together. You just can't get rid of 80% of the white race simply because you don't like them and because they don't max out the SAT and expect everything to work as it is now. Instead it will rot and collapse.

    It was like Chesterton wrote about changing road signs and laws. We better understand why they were put there to begin with before even attempting to change them.

    Our intellectual betters don't understand that simple dictum. Now it's biting them on the ass and it will just get worse for them over time.

    The fact is what made our cities and society work so well is it's infrastructure is staffed by competent and trustworthy power engineers, linemen, Water works specialists, plumbers and cops. Who are still for the most part white and keep civilization from regressing back to 1800. This all goes away when we staff them with brownskins and Muslims. Whose temperament is steal everything that is nailed down.
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  31. Gordo says:

    Sun People?

    No. The people of the sun are us, the Aryans.

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  32. Even the worst public schools in the US have equipment and facilities better than the schools in most countries of the world, so there is not much of a problem.

    The solution is to provide the “disadvantaged” children with schools with superior equipment and small classes, gun-toting teachers, and provide them with breakfast and lunches rich in brain-nourishing nutrients, and lots of overweight police officers to keep order, and have the “advantaged” children go to schools with larger classes, where they have to buy their own textbooks, take sandwiches, and there is no heating in winter.

    If parents wish to have their children attend “disadvantaged” schools when they are not qualified, they should have to pay a supplement on a sliding scale based on income tax return information.

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  33. The US school system is doomed, but that is true even without the complications of the race issue. In contrast to all civilized and many uncivilized countries, the US has no national standards in school education. This means two things. First, what kids are taught is decided parochially by local school boards, often full of semi-literate people. Second, as people move quite a lot around the country, a teacher cannot be sure what kids in his/her class already know, so the math in any grade starts with times table. Reasonably smart and educated kids get bored beyond endurance and put off education, whereas uneducated and/or dumb kids never learn. Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer would be good education at the elementary school level. That requires national standards, otherwise the word “good” has no meaning.

    As it is, half of college education is remedial: students are taught what they should have learned in school, but didn’t. This creates gaping holes in college education, especially considering that only 2% of the US students attend demanding colleges, whereas the majority attends colleges where the ability to read and count to ten brings you an A- or higher. We see the consequences in our graduate school: the first year is again remedial, students are taught what they should have learned in college, but didn’t. Admissions committees have to go by GRE scores (which have zero predictive value; they basically show how much effort a person put into preparing for the GRE tests) and GPA, which also does not mean anything (say, GPA 4.0 in a shithole college reflects worse education than GPA 2.5 is a good college). In fact, the admissions committees (I served on one for 6 years at my University) essentially rely on letters from recommenders and the results of the interview, as we want students that will eventually graduate, rather than fail miserably. This works in natural sciences (sort of), whereas in humanities the ability to spew BS glibly rules. This explains the quality of the humanities in the US.

    The most alarming thing is that nobody in the US even talks about the education any more, as if the problems are solved. Even in the times of Bush Jr (famous for his words that books are good, as there are pictures in them) education was discussed, but nowadays all federal resources are wasted on “defense”. Considering that the US spends on “defense” more than the rest of the world combined, who are we “defending” from, the Martians? The US is still doing not that bad in natural sciences, but it is the result of pure parasitism. When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born. This source of success is drying out: twenty years ago if you tell your Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, that was a serious threat, but today they go back to China voluntarily in droves. To speed up the process of decline, the Congress allocates to the Pentagon in a month more than it allocates to science in a year. Unlike Pentagon contractors, the NIH and NSF do not generate kickbacks and campaign donations (which would be criminally punishable corruption anywhere in the world, but are perfectly legal in the US), so there is no end in sight for this downward spiral.

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    Some interesting observations. We've tried the standardized national curriculum, first with No Child Left Behind in 2002, then with Common Core in 2009, and neither has moved the needle in "closing the achievement gap". After 15 years the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic remained stubbornly in place, if not widen. Perhaps it's time to stop imposing this unworkable ideal on the whole country?

    When Common Core first came out, I bought in on the whole concept of lack of national standards being the culprit and was supportive. Now after seeing its insidious impact on my children's education for the past 8 years, I think it's time to scrap this stupid idea. Public education has become a way for liberals to indoctrinate the next gen through the content of English lit, Social Studies and Sex Ed. I now firmly believe the only way to fix education is to do the exact opposite - bust up the education cartel that wants to enforce uniformity and allow choice in education.

    Education needs a major shake up, and the only way to shake things up is to allow each school to operate as an independent school, jointly run by parents. Instead of confining kids to attending their neighborhood schools and giving the school district full control over the curriculum, allow kids to attend whichever public school of their choice, and allow each school to determine its own curriculum, determine solely between the teachers and the parents, perhaps through some kind of online voting capability. Allow parents to choose schools that meet their own philosophy on education -- some might want more rigor, others a more artsy or literary focus, or more modern, more traditional, more sports, no sports, STEM focus, vocational skills etc. Have each school declare their education philosophy, focus, curriculum and let people vote with their feet. Allocate funds based on head count.

    , @Anonymous
    You only omit to mention one of the "more means worse" corollaries. As the numbers pushed into post high school education moves toward 50 per cent there are going to be large numbers of dim people (voters no less) who have been taught by some verbally facile but unintelligent people. These naturally impart the illusion (having first imbibed it themselves) that they know something important - both theory and facts - about history and politics and that the opinions they form are worth a row of beans. No STEM possible of course but couldn't some practical skills be usefully imparted? And realistic modesty.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    For a comment in a golden box, there is a whole lot to disagree with in it. First, I agree with your replier, anon[508], but even more vehemently because I don't think the US government has any business being involved with education. It wasn't until the Dept. of Education in the last 1970's, broken out from H.E.W. I don't even believe in public education to begin with. To try another "No Child Left Behind" is insanity.

    Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer...
     
    You just got done writing that some kids are smart and some kids are dumb. How are you going to have an equalizer? How about let parents run, or send kids to, whatever school of the quality they are willing to pay for?

    All the big government programs do is add more bureaucracy and take the ability to teach well away from the good teachers. The modern American school is hardly discernible from a correctional institute. The money is not the problem, as I could tell you the story of an elementary school with 2 attendance committed people who use up $100,000 a year or so. Jonathan Mason is correct in his first sentence above.

    When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born.

     

    Yep, not because of American's lack of interest or abilities, but because the Universities went the cheap labor route like any other big business. Do you know how much tuition the foreign (meaning Chinese and Middle Eastern) students pay, BTW? They are a cash cow. If they all went away, Americans would to the research and the teaching (in which, yippee, students could understand the lecture again!) just like they did < 1990.
    , @MarkinLA
    Since this article has been around for well past a decade (regardless of the current date it is just a reprint), you would think that anybody crying about the shortage of American graduate students in the hard sciences would know about it.


    https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-government-universities-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-high-tech-workers
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  34. @HallParvey
    Public education is not about learning. It's about credentialing. Credit for time spent in the classroom justifying the teacher, the principal, assorted advisers, the janitor, etc. At the end of the established time in the classroom, you are awarded a certificate of accomplishment. A credential.
    Real education, what you have learned, is completely yours. It is unique to you. It is everything you have experienced so far in life.
    The same electronic revolution that has made so many old jobs obsolete, will do the same for Formal Education. If you don't think so, just axe (sic) Alexa.

    You are right, the education in the US now works essentially like prison: time served is the only thing that matters. But that is a problem. The US does not have enough natural resources per person or cheap workforce, so science and technology are the only factors that can ensure decent future for the country. Under the influence of greedy Pentagon contractors both are sacrificed on the altar of endless wars.

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  35. If you wish to see the future of the University in this country, check this link about a foreign student at GW and their offensive mascot:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/04/gw-university-students-aim-to-take-down-offensive-colonials-mascot-replace-it-with-deadly-african-hippo/

    or this attack on police by the Harvard administration after cops had too subdue a crazy drugged student in the middle of the highway:

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/04/harvards-insane-attack-on-cops/

    The inmates are now in control of the institution and it will only get worse.

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    https://nypost.com/2018/05/04/harvards-insane-attack-on-cops/
     
    Harvard needs to make reparations. Stop with the usual virtue signaling followed by no action, it's time for real action -- give 100% of the freshman slots to blacks, every year until black and white achievement gap is reduced to zero.
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  36. Amusing, but probably relatively overblown. Upper Manhattan is the corner of the country with the most elite standards for homeschooling education in the nation. That’s the corner of the country where if you are home schooled you get prestigious universities coming to your doorstep to roll out the carpet because your test scores are well above the national average and you’re pretty much guaranteed to make their school look good.

    When push comes to shove these parents will just make their own homeschooling network to shelter their own and continue on assuming the role of arbiters of social justice for the rest of us plebeians.

    Not that we ever will, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the one’s making a fuss are just the few parents among the lot who are not quite financially well-off enough to know that making the jump to homeschooling out there will be an easy transition.

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  37. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Relatives live in Capitol Hill. That’s
    Sawant’s district and of course they gave her money and voted for her.

    They travel a lot and always took cabs to the airport. But the African immigrant drivers always say the credit card machine is broken and demand cash, a lot more cash than the trip costs.

    And they are really nasty and horrible to the wife when she’s alone. So now if they can’t get a ride with someone they take the city bus to the airport.

    The real problem in Capitol Hill is the Somalian burglars roaming the alleys jumping the back fences and robbing the houses. That’s been going in for awhile.

    Lately homeless in campers and cars park for 3 nights in one place which they are legally allowed. Ultra liberal Capitol Hill is outraged. But the law is 3 nights parking and the camper dwellers move the campers every 3 days.

    Of course the police have been so intimidated by liberal demonstrations and caterwauling they are afraid to do anything.

    I’m sure they will vote for Sawant in the next election despite the fact that Sawant does nothing for the district or Seattle, just positions herself as a radical making herself be known to the radical wing of the democrats.

    Looks like your relatives got what they deserve then. But instead of staying put to be enriched by the diversity they voted for, Seattle Times reported that they are moving in drove to Snohomish and Pierce counties, so they can F up these counties as well, now that they’ve ruined the entire King county incl. the east side. Liberals destroy every city they move to.

    Sawant needs to be deported back to her native India, along with PayPal and Minka Dinga in Redmond. These dimwit dot heads ruined their own country w/ socialism and now they’re here to ruin ours with more of the same.

    Seattle’s Jewish cemetery was recently desecrated by the homeless, who went in there to pee, poop, sleep, litter and destroyed many of the headstones. Now the Jews are all up in arms but the Seattle Council wouldn’t do a thing. Yet 99.99% of them will still only vote for any breathing thing with a (D) after their names. Talk about poetic justice.

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    " Yet 99.99% of them will still only vote for any breathing thing with a (D) after their name"

    Yeah what a crazy paradox, but now I am becoming convinced that they simply do not comprehend the connection between their voting habits and the sordid conditions resulting thereof, and that they, somehow in their deranged minds, think that that voting D will solve the accelerating problems.

    Just looking at Detroit, my home-town, a former world-class metropolis, and the Dummkoepfe there
    simply can't get it through their sick minds that the Democrats have destroyed the place, they come out with myriads of rediculous reasons, but they neve implicate the D's.

    What with KWest, things might begin to change.

    AJM , "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro jazz aritist.

    PS Yeah but I do love the poetic justice aspect of the dilema.
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  38. Jake says:
    @manorchurch

    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico?
     
    Yes, one would expect that. One might also ask why a "responsible, modern, education-oriented" regime, like that of Mexico, would dump its poor and uneducatable into the American kiddie pool?

    I do not want to pay to "educate" 2SD foreign brats. That's why there's laws against illegal border crossing, laws against hiring illegal aliens, and laws requiring citizenship or equivalence of children enrolled in public schools. I want those laws enforced in my country - just as diligently as those laws are enforced in Mexico.

    Would you, if you could,. dump most of America’s poor and/or uneducated and/or criminally convicted blacks in another country?

    Mexican elites do things to encourage poor Mexicans to move here because it helps them as elites. And they get away with it because the American Elites want the hordes here.

    Your fight should not be with Fred Reed, not even with poor Mexicans who snuck in here. It should be against our super rich. They make it happen.

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  39. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn't you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico? Whatever the explanation, ignoring the question, or perhaps simply not knowing enough to know that there is a question, is, well, normal.

    If there really is such a stark difference between the illiterate hispanics in the US and their compatriots in Mexico, Mexico would not be such a shithole.

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  40. Yan Shen says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn't you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico? Whatever the explanation, ignoring the question, or perhaps simply not knowing enough to know that there is a question, is, well, normal.

    Well I’m not nearly as sanguine about Hispanics as you are, but since I’m also not one of those crazy white nationalist types, I do agree with you that white nationalist thinking is often sloppy at best. For instance, white nationalists rarely if ever distinguish between the obviously superior performance of many African immigrant groups in this country versus the lackluster performance of African Americans, both educationally and behaviorally.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

    The possibility that there may be cognitively elite subgroups such as the Igbo or the Yoruba surely would one of the most interesting discoveries of HBD and perhaps offer some hopeful path forward for an obviously bad situation in that part of the world. Alas, apart from morbidly fantasizing about feral blacks holding knives to his children’s throats, I haven’t really seen Derbyshire ever discussing these sorts of far more interesting things…

    I grew up in Texas and participated in competitive mathematics in high school and I seem to remember that there were a particular group of schools with large Hispanic populations down in the McAllen-Edinburg-Mission area that actually had a number of high performing Hispanics, a few who were particularly renowned for their competitive mathematics prowess.

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    Were they more Julián Castro "Hispanic" or were they more Jorge Ramos "Hispanic"?
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  41. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @niteranger
    If you wish to see the future of the University in this country, check this link about a foreign student at GW and their offensive mascot:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/04/gw-university-students-aim-to-take-down-offensive-colonials-mascot-replace-it-with-deadly-african-hippo/

    or this attack on police by the Harvard administration after cops had too subdue a crazy drugged student in the middle of the highway:

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/04/harvards-insane-attack-on-cops/


    The inmates are now in control of the institution and it will only get worse.

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/04/harvards-insane-attack-on-cops/

    Harvard needs to make reparations. Stop with the usual virtue signaling followed by no action, it’s time for real action — give 100% of the freshman slots to blacks, every year until black and white achievement gap is reduced to zero.

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  42. Yan Shen says:

    The recent history of modern public-education reform in this country is very nearly a history of the determination on the part of white and East Asian parents that their children not attend schools with too many black and Hispanic students.

    I thought it was well known that whites not only flee from school districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics, but also that they flee from highly competitive school districts dominated by East Asians? I don’t think your grouping of Ice People versus Sun People is nearly as useful as you think it to be, given that not only are whites and East Asians at cultural loggerheads in this country, but blacks and Hispanics also often seem to be at one another’s throats as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/nyregion/reforms-to-ease-students-stress-divide-a-new-jersey-school-district.html

    It seems very clear to me that East Asian cultural values are unique and distinct from those of blacks, Hispanics, and whites alike today. This cultural and behavioral schism is of far greater importance in my opinion than the idea sometimes promoted here that wink, wink, nod, nod, blacks are the real outliers and if only Americans of white, Asian, and Hispanic backgrounds lived together in harmony, everything would be okay in this country. I tend to doubt such sanguine conclusions.

    Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics are when it comes to crappy cultural values, a point I tried to make earlier. Really, if someone like me doesn’t try to talk some sense into my fellow Americans, I’m pretty sure the John Derbyshires and Ta-Nehisi Coates of the world would basically burn this country into the ground. I’d rather not have that happen, because I’m an American and I love America.

    https://www.unz.com/article/americas-cultural-revolution-the-obsession-with-self-esteem/

    One of the most interesting paradoxes of John Derbyshire, in my opinion, is that despite supposedly being very well read on China, he actually acts, well, white in the manner that he conducts himself. I could easily imagine a scholar like Richard Nisbett reading the thoughts of the Derb and shaking his head over just how obviously Mr. Derbyshire conforms to all of his written work on East-West differences. Fundamental attribution error, check. Obsession with innate dispositions, check…

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    Apparently you haven't noticed that "right wing whites" built America, and created a huge stock of innovations, while East Asians have never been very innovative, but have mainly copied western technology. While left wing whites, and Asians, continue to vote for hard left candidates who want to destroy American society, and say so....
    , @Anon
    So, you're a fence-sitting pus*y. I understand. A lot of smart well meaning people are, hell many of my friends and family. Good luck with that. It doesn't turn out well in the long run. I love America, he says, ai a i ai.
    , @RadicalCenter
    "Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values", really? The "right-wing" or politically and/or socially conservative whites whom I know, including many of my family and friends, inculcate an ethic of hard work, honesty, and trying one's best to take care of one's family without burdening others whenever possible.

    Would you live in a "right-wing white" neighborhood or an African-"American" neighborhood if those were your only two options? Please.

    There are always many exceptions to patterns and averages, but patterns and averages often are based on meaningful, observable, systematically observed real-world differences between ethnoculturally identifiable groups of people.
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  43. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    The US school system is doomed, but that is true even without the complications of the race issue. In contrast to all civilized and many uncivilized countries, the US has no national standards in school education. This means two things. First, what kids are taught is decided parochially by local school boards, often full of semi-literate people. Second, as people move quite a lot around the country, a teacher cannot be sure what kids in his/her class already know, so the math in any grade starts with times table. Reasonably smart and educated kids get bored beyond endurance and put off education, whereas uneducated and/or dumb kids never learn. Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer would be good education at the elementary school level. That requires national standards, otherwise the word “good” has no meaning.

    As it is, half of college education is remedial: students are taught what they should have learned in school, but didn’t. This creates gaping holes in college education, especially considering that only 2% of the US students attend demanding colleges, whereas the majority attends colleges where the ability to read and count to ten brings you an A- or higher. We see the consequences in our graduate school: the first year is again remedial, students are taught what they should have learned in college, but didn’t. Admissions committees have to go by GRE scores (which have zero predictive value; they basically show how much effort a person put into preparing for the GRE tests) and GPA, which also does not mean anything (say, GPA 4.0 in a shithole college reflects worse education than GPA 2.5 is a good college). In fact, the admissions committees (I served on one for 6 years at my University) essentially rely on letters from recommenders and the results of the interview, as we want students that will eventually graduate, rather than fail miserably. This works in natural sciences (sort of), whereas in humanities the ability to spew BS glibly rules. This explains the quality of the humanities in the US.

    The most alarming thing is that nobody in the US even talks about the education any more, as if the problems are solved. Even in the times of Bush Jr (famous for his words that books are good, as there are pictures in them) education was discussed, but nowadays all federal resources are wasted on “defense”. Considering that the US spends on “defense” more than the rest of the world combined, who are we “defending” from, the Martians? The US is still doing not that bad in natural sciences, but it is the result of pure parasitism. When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born. This source of success is drying out: twenty years ago if you tell your Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, that was a serious threat, but today they go back to China voluntarily in droves. To speed up the process of decline, the Congress allocates to the Pentagon in a month more than it allocates to science in a year. Unlike Pentagon contractors, the NIH and NSF do not generate kickbacks and campaign donations (which would be criminally punishable corruption anywhere in the world, but are perfectly legal in the US), so there is no end in sight for this downward spiral.

    Some interesting observations. We’ve tried the standardized national curriculum, first with No Child Left Behind in 2002, then with Common Core in 2009, and neither has moved the needle in “closing the achievement gap”. After 15 years the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic remained stubbornly in place, if not widen. Perhaps it’s time to stop imposing this unworkable ideal on the whole country?

    When Common Core first came out, I bought in on the whole concept of lack of national standards being the culprit and was supportive. Now after seeing its insidious impact on my children’s education for the past 8 years, I think it’s time to scrap this stupid idea. Public education has become a way for liberals to indoctrinate the next gen through the content of English lit, Social Studies and Sex Ed. I now firmly believe the only way to fix education is to do the exact opposite – bust up the education cartel that wants to enforce uniformity and allow choice in education.

    Education needs a major shake up, and the only way to shake things up is to allow each school to operate as an independent school, jointly run by parents. Instead of confining kids to attending their neighborhood schools and giving the school district full control over the curriculum, allow kids to attend whichever public school of their choice, and allow each school to determine its own curriculum, determine solely between the teachers and the parents, perhaps through some kind of online voting capability. Allow parents to choose schools that meet their own philosophy on education — some might want more rigor, others a more artsy or literary focus, or more modern, more traditional, more sports, no sports, STEM focus, vocational skills etc. Have each school declare their education philosophy, focus, curriculum and let people vote with their feet. Allocate funds based on head count.

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    Sounds good, but in reality it’s Utopian. I drove my daughter to the charter school 45 min one way every day. Thank goodness among neighbors we had other parents whose kids went to the same school, so I drove their kids there, and they picked them along with my daughter up after school. Otherwise we wouldn’t have that option, even though my hours are entirely my business (research has this advantage). Those who have fixed hours or low income simply won’t be able to vote with their feet. So, the key premise of you position would go down the drain.

    When I say national curriculum (which we don’t have, despite all those catchy slogans), I don’t mean liberal BS. I mean hardcore things, like minimum math, chemistry, physics, biology (real one, that includes evolution: only dismally uneducated or horribly dim-witted person denies it), etc. Let the parents decide the rest. Say, Kansas farmers don’t know any sciences and their only math is counting money. Now they (via local school board) decide what kids in Kansas are taught. This might be good for foreigners (they get an obvious advantage), but this is ruinous for our country.
    , @midtown
    I agree -- in other words, expand the charter school model. The most important element is to de-unionize the teachers.
    , @Anon
    School choice is just another word for bussing blacks to White schools
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  44. Forbes says:
    @anon
    i.e. they got the government they voted for.

    I think it's great that Carranza exposed them for the hypocrites they all are. I hope he succeeds in desegregating all the schools in NYC. Give these people the government they deserve.

    NYC public schools are 16% white. The segregation that exists is due to the fact there aren’t enough whites to go around. The well-to-do spend $40,000 to send their kids to private school, Catholic Archdiocese high schools are $7-8,000.

    Certain neighborhoods become self-fulfilling magnets for the neighborhood school–high priced real estate attracts high income owners who sent their kids to the neighborhood school perpetuating the school’s reputation, hence brandishing the property values in the catchment area for the school.

    To redraw the district lines or to change the admission criteria will have a significant impact on property values. It’s the reason people vote pocketbook issues first in priority.

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  45. SMK says: • Website
    @niteranger
    The American education systems is toast or a potato ----stick a fork in it. There is no recovery from the damage from both the right and the left. What's nice about the video is that these people are usually the type of progressives (Marxists) that vote for dickheads like DeBlasio and his Leftist friends. These people are the "Caviar Left." Now their insane ideology has come back to haunt them like some specter from Hell. Now they will pay for their insane ideas about everyone being the same intellectually with the destruction of their children's education. What's worse these idiots just sat there when the Principal just basically called them racists for wanting to get their children a good education.

    I've always tried to convince Conservatives that they don't know how to play the game against these Rich Marxists. It's simple! Make them hurt and show them for what they really are. For example, when these jack asses like DeNiro, Moore and others start calling everyone racist just drop about 50 Mexicans, Somalians or other illegally arrived immigrants at one of their properties and make sure the cameras are rolling. Tell them they have so much room they should share it with their fellow humans.

    Until all of these groups feel the pain they will continue to play their racist games. The same for Khazars. Drop a few hundred illegals off at their rich centers and tell them since they are for unbridled immigration they should take these people in.

    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids. The Universities are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Unless you are getting a STEM degree it's a waste of money. The problem is contrary to America's belief system most students aren't smart enough to get STEM degrees. We are headed for the collapse of all systems and you should prepare accordingly and education is one of the first to go.

    You forgot to mention Hillary Clinton. If, miraculously, she is prosecuted and convicted of all or some of the felonies she’s committed, don’t sentence her to prison. Fine her, take all of her ill-begotten wealth and force her to live in poverty in Detroit or LA or Mexico or Africa or Central America, nations and cities and regions in which there are no “baskets of deplorables.”

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  46. gcochran says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn't you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico? Whatever the explanation, ignoring the question, or perhaps simply not knowing enough to know that there is a question, is, well, normal.

    There’s a very simple explanation: you’re wrong. Mexican kids do worse than US Hispanics on PISA.

    In most of northern Mexico, kids do worse than US Hispanics, but better than blacks.

    In most of southern Mexico, kids do worse than US blacks.

    “The DF (Mexico City) with a score of 445.11 and Queretaro with a score of 440.43 are the only states that do better (barely) than US Hispanics (439).”

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    To back this up with some more data. For Mexican 2006 PISA results see https://blog.diegovalle.net/2009/09/mexican-pisa-scores.html

    https://blog.diegovalle.net/images/blogger_images/4.bp.blogspot.com__q3Caf3YFFAs_So713WWWBiI_AAAAAAAADRg_NlNgSZ68v3w_s1600-h_Mexican-pisa-scores-states.png

    Unfortunately the test results PDF link there is broken. Does anyone have a source for that data? I was unable to find it on the Internet Archive.

    Also from that blog post:

    On the combined science literacy scale in the United States, Black (non-Hispanic) students (409) and Hispanic students (439) scored lower, on average, than White (non-Hispanic) students (523), Asian (non-Hispanic) students (499), and students of more than one race (non-Hispanic) (501).
     
    Another take using a different set of PISA scores: https://jaypgreene.com/2011/01/17/pisa-results-by-subgroup/

    https://jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pisa1.jpg

    I believe FRL is Free or Reduced-price Lunch.

    Data source: https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011004.pdf
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  47. Anon7 says:

    In the 1960′s, when my wife was a little girl, she grew up in Morningside Heights apartments, right next to Harlem. Her parents were liberal college professors, so naturally when she was old enough to go to high school and was assigned to a 99% black high school in Harlem, they were thrilled. Public schools for our daughter – no elitist institutions for us! Just think of the possibilities for multicultural interactions.

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds. Thankfully, she ran into the arms of a big black woman teacher, who told those boys to knock it off.

    The next day, the black principal called her and her parents into his office. According to my wife, he said “You need to get this little white girl the hell out of this school TODAY!”

    She found a nice private high school in upstate New York that was just right.

    It’s not just academic standards that attract (or repel) parents from different schools…

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    Hollywood never made TV shows or movies about such stuff.

    Instead we get TO KILL A GROUNDHOG DAY, the same cliches about Selma over and over as if blacks can only be noble victims.

    Integration is terrible for whites due to BAMMAMA factor: Blacks Are More Muscular and More Aggressive. In the end, white boys lose manhood and turn cucky, and white girls turn onto jungle fever and have black kids.
    , @Truth

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds.
     
    Of course, they wanted to help her get her Trig scores up so that she could attract scholarship attention.

    Hey Derb; you must be ABD on that PhD in Blackpeopleology by now, it's been quite a few years.
    , @Anon
    I’ve posted again and again that it’s the behavior of black kids, not their IQ, study habits and “lack of parental involvement” that make them dangerous to be around White children.
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  48. pyrrhus says:
    @KenH

    Upper West Side Ice People have held their own this past ten years and even made some advances.
     
    It helps when you're in the upper income tax bracket. Their access to top flight legal resources and connections to powerful people enables them to beat back efforts at diversifying. Poor, working class and middle class whites don't have this luxury and must suffer in silence as their schools and neighborhoods are slowly destroyed via forced diversification.

    Of course. It’s the same in the wealthy North Shore suburbs of Chicago, which has plenty of parents who are politically connected and quite willing to file lawsuits if necessary.

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  49. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    What happens if a man and woman divorce.. and the man turns tranny & says he’s a ‘woman’? Will he get custody of the children, especially if the wife also turns tranny and claims to be a ‘man’?

    Btw, I’m all for integrating children of urban yuppie libs with black kids.
    Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

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    You win for comment of the day. I second the motion.

    Ever since DeBlasio became mayor of NYC I have been itching to hear the news that negros would be moved into many of the buildings that NY Times staff hold residence in. I am still waiting.....
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Those kids are already suffering enough from having Twits for parents. Have pity.
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  50. pyrrhus says:
    @Yan Shen

    The recent history of modern public-education reform in this country is very nearly a history of the determination on the part of white and East Asian parents that their children not attend schools with too many black and Hispanic students.
     
    I thought it was well known that whites not only flee from school districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics, but also that they flee from highly competitive school districts dominated by East Asians? I don't think your grouping of Ice People versus Sun People is nearly as useful as you think it to be, given that not only are whites and East Asians at cultural loggerheads in this country, but blacks and Hispanics also often seem to be at one another's throats as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/nyregion/reforms-to-ease-students-stress-divide-a-new-jersey-school-district.html

    It seems very clear to me that East Asian cultural values are unique and distinct from those of blacks, Hispanics, and whites alike today. This cultural and behavioral schism is of far greater importance in my opinion than the idea sometimes promoted here that wink, wink, nod, nod, blacks are the real outliers and if only Americans of white, Asian, and Hispanic backgrounds lived together in harmony, everything would be okay in this country. I tend to doubt such sanguine conclusions.

    Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics are when it comes to crappy cultural values, a point I tried to make earlier. Really, if someone like me doesn't try to talk some sense into my fellow Americans, I'm pretty sure the John Derbyshires and Ta-Nehisi Coates of the world would basically burn this country into the ground. I'd rather not have that happen, because I'm an American and I love America.

    https://www.unz.com/article/americas-cultural-revolution-the-obsession-with-self-esteem/

    One of the most interesting paradoxes of John Derbyshire, in my opinion, is that despite supposedly being very well read on China, he actually acts, well, white in the manner that he conducts himself. I could easily imagine a scholar like Richard Nisbett reading the thoughts of the Derb and shaking his head over just how obviously Mr. Derbyshire conforms to all of his written work on East-West differences. Fundamental attribution error, check. Obsession with innate dispositions, check...

    Apparently you haven’t noticed that “right wing whites” built America, and created a huge stock of innovations, while East Asians have never been very innovative, but have mainly copied western technology. While left wing whites, and Asians, continue to vote for hard left candidates who want to destroy American society, and say so….

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    The right wing whites who built this country were more like today's Asians than today's whites.

    What is beyond clear is that white nationalists like Derbyshire and Sailer are not even close to recovering the mentality and virtues of an earlier generation of whites - but in fact embody the mentality that led to American decline.

    If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a very different stamp.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    He notices, but it's just that he's a shameless hypocrite (Yellow nationalism good; white nationalism bad).
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  51. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anon7
    In the 1960's, when my wife was a little girl, she grew up in Morningside Heights apartments, right next to Harlem. Her parents were liberal college professors, so naturally when she was old enough to go to high school and was assigned to a 99% black high school in Harlem, they were thrilled. Public schools for our daughter - no elitist institutions for us! Just think of the possibilities for multicultural interactions.

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds. Thankfully, she ran into the arms of a big black woman teacher, who told those boys to knock it off.

    The next day, the black principal called her and her parents into his office. According to my wife, he said "You need to get this little white girl the hell out of this school TODAY!"

    She found a nice private high school in upstate New York that was just right.

    It's not just academic standards that attract (or repel) parents from different schools...

    Hollywood never made TV shows or movies about such stuff.

    Instead we get TO KILL A GROUNDHOG DAY, the same cliches about Selma over and over as if blacks can only be noble victims.

    Integration is terrible for whites due to BAMMAMA factor: Blacks Are More Muscular and More Aggressive. In the end, white boys lose manhood and turn cucky, and white girls turn onto jungle fever and have black kids.

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  52. res says:
    @Bill TotenWeiss

    Nowhere in that thousand-word article is there any speculation that California might have more poor East and South Asians than other states.

    Does it, actually? I don’t know
     
    Obviously if you don't add the speculations of an old racist to your writing then you are some kind of Cultural Marxist.

    In reference to California and East and South Asian poverty…

    If anyone cares about trying to find a real answer rather than just virtue signaling, this census publication has the raw data to check: https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acsbr11-17.pdf

    I don’t care enough to do the calculations, but it seems like a reasonable question to be asking. Especially given that they were looking at a University population (i.e. selective).

    What is odd is that publication has detailed state breakdowns (Tables 1-8) for every race except for Blacks.

    When interpreting the census data be careful about their handling of whites. Hispanics are ~1/7 of the white population but account for over 1/4 of the white poverty. This increases the white poverty rate from 9,9 to 11.6 (Table 1).

    This data gives state population percentages by race: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
    15% of Californians are Asian (38% white, 5% Black, 39% Hispanic)–the highest in the Nation. Given that and a fairly typical 11.0% CA poverty rate for Asians (11.7% nationally) I think Derb has a decent chance of being onto something. And it does seem like something a decent investigative reporter should at least consider.

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  53. If the author by referring to “Sun People” wants to lump the negros and mexicans together they have not gotten out enough. Negros belong in Africa, the fact that they are found in the Americas in the numbers they are has been the white mans burden and likely under present leadership will remain the white mans burden till the end of time. This is unacceptable.

    Mestizos on the other hand are welcome throughout the Americas, but just not in an open border laissez faire fashion until Mexico is better developed. Better developed Mexico means adequate security, potable water readily available, good infrastructure, and an economy that provides an incentive to stay home around ones family rather then head norte. A developed Mexico will be a very good thing for the Americas.

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  54. anarchyst says:

    Here is food for thought, especially for those who support “public education” and rally about the doctrine of “socialization” that they claim is lacking in “homeschooled” children.
    Let’s look at what “public education” has to offer:
    1. Cliques and rampant bullying, quite often the victims of bullying are punished more harshly for fighting back. Many times, bullies are part of a “protected” class–racial minorities, jocks, etc. There is strong official disapproval of students making friends outside their grade level. “Peer pressure” is used to push conformity.
    2. Teachers that don’t teach reading writing and arithmetic. Pushing communist principles such as rabid environmentalism, blaming humanity for conditions beyond our control as well as pushing “communitarianism” (“it takes a village”)–actually communism. This also ties in with teacher-recommended feminizing and drugging (mostly boys) to make them “less fidgety” and more compliant–all for the “benefit” of the teacher.
    3. Non-existent moral guidance…the communist concept of “values clarification”, allowing each student to set his own moral standard with no discussion permitted as to guidelines. A student dare not mention God or the Bible in “public school”–not permitted…discussing Islam is OK…even field trips to mosques are encouraged.
    4. Sex education that normalizes homosexuality, transgenderism and other deviant practices, actually encouraging deviant behavior and downplaying and marginalizing heterosexuality and abstinence.
    5. Insane zero tolerance practices, punishing students for pop-tarts shaped like guns or a student having an “unauthorized aspirin” or plastic butter knife. Of course, abortions and birth control are available without parental notification.
    6. Lockdowns and backpack/locker searches by police utilizing “drug dogs”, getting the upcoming generation used to random unconstitutional searches. Quite often, students are “roughed up” by “school resource officers”…just because they can…Lockdowns should be reserved for prisons–not schools…
    Since these “socialization” practices seem to be the norm in our “public education” systems, parents who send their children to these dysfunctional “indoctrination centers” are guilty of child abuse…
    Children who are homeschooled actually do much better in life as they are comfortable with people of all ages. True socialization takes place outside the classroom.

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    FWIW (maybe nothing but here goes) I have actually come around to believe in communitarian solutions if one wants to live in lower population densities. It does not mean communism. I did not agree with Bill Clinton's call for communitarian solutions when I was a striver and lived in a metropolis. But after having left all of that for small town life I have found that communitarian solutions are the bedrock of rural existence unless one has unlimited funds.

    For the record I never thought I would say that.

    I see there as being two USA's - One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them. If they are allowed to fester out of control I have no doubt a team will show up saying "We are from the government and we are here to help". I have seen what their "helping" looks like and want nothing of the kind from them.
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  55. Anon7 says:
    @manorchurch

    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico?
     
    Yes, one would expect that. One might also ask why a "responsible, modern, education-oriented" regime, like that of Mexico, would dump its poor and uneducatable into the American kiddie pool?

    I do not want to pay to "educate" 2SD foreign brats. That's why there's laws against illegal border crossing, laws against hiring illegal aliens, and laws requiring citizenship or equivalence of children enrolled in public schools. I want those laws enforced in my country - just as diligently as those laws are enforced in Mexico.

    We don’t just educate foreign “brats”, we also educate foreign “model students.”

    Here’s how it works in California. A family in China sends its most promising son to distant relatives in California. As soon as #1 son arrives in Cali, he enrolls in the best nearby high school, which is required by law to accept him and educate him for free (thank you very much, Supremes 1981). The kid then does school work for as many hours per week as are necessary for a 4.0 average and top SAT scores.

    Then, the kid applies to college. California schools are required by law to take the top “state” students. This explains why Cali colleges typically have 2-3 times as many asian students as white students.

    OTOH, this trick has been used so successfully for decades that many of these kids are the children of those kids who snuck in, and so are US citizens.

    So it goes.

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    Citizens or dual citizens?
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  56. res says:
    @gcochran
    There's a very simple explanation: you're wrong. Mexican kids do worse than US Hispanics on PISA.

    In most of northern Mexico, kids do worse than US Hispanics, but better than blacks.

    In most of southern Mexico, kids do worse than US blacks.


    "The DF (Mexico City) with a score of 445.11 and Queretaro with a score of 440.43 are the only states that do better (barely) than US Hispanics (439)."

    To back this up with some more data. For Mexican 2006 PISA results see https://blog.diegovalle.net/2009/09/mexican-pisa-scores.html

    Unfortunately the test results PDF link there is broken. Does anyone have a source for that data? I was unable to find it on the Internet Archive.

    Also from that blog post:

    On the combined science literacy scale in the United States, Black (non-Hispanic) students (409) and Hispanic students (439) scored lower, on average, than White (non-Hispanic) students (523), Asian (non-Hispanic) students (499), and students of more than one race (non-Hispanic) (501).

    Another take using a different set of PISA scores: https://jaypgreene.com/2011/01/17/pisa-results-by-subgroup/

    I believe FRL is Free or Reduced-price Lunch.

    Data source: https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011004.pdf

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    Not sure what to make of that, but if you believe this shows that Mexicans are dumber than Negros, the tests are off. Not to mention standardized testing is bullshit. How well students do on these tests is based on how much they are coached as to how to do well on these tests. In some areas they focus on these standardized tests to a ridiculous degree. When education is "inclusive" and "marxist" and full of bull who gives a rats ass what the "test scores" are. Some public schools have their whole education based on what these test scores are. It is insanity.

    I know you will counter with the fact these are science test scores but I still call bull. Do you know to what degree some state education systems focus on these tests as the bar and work backwards from that to help all pass the bar? They probably don't do that in Mexico, and hence you bean counters are flummoxed by these results. Yet the mexicans make their way over and do just fine in the trades.

    The democrat party is solely responsible for leftist and marxist type Mexicans, it is not in their DNA to act like that without some political figure approaching them and subverting them to those beliefs.

    Further, I speculate that the media projection of their being masses of leftist non working mexicans clamoring for a big government to support them are wildly out of line with reality.

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  57. @anarchyst
    Here is food for thought, especially for those who support "public education" and rally about the doctrine of "socialization" that they claim is lacking in "homeschooled" children.
    Let's look at what "public education" has to offer:
    1. Cliques and rampant bullying, quite often the victims of bullying are punished more harshly for fighting back. Many times, bullies are part of a "protected" class--racial minorities, jocks, etc. There is strong official disapproval of students making friends outside their grade level. "Peer pressure" is used to push conformity.
    2. Teachers that don't teach reading writing and arithmetic. Pushing communist principles such as rabid environmentalism, blaming humanity for conditions beyond our control as well as pushing "communitarianism" ("it takes a village")--actually communism. This also ties in with teacher-recommended feminizing and drugging (mostly boys) to make them "less fidgety" and more compliant--all for the "benefit" of the teacher.
    3. Non-existent moral guidance...the communist concept of "values clarification", allowing each student to set his own moral standard with no discussion permitted as to guidelines. A student dare not mention God or the Bible in "public school"--not permitted...discussing Islam is OK...even field trips to mosques are encouraged.
    4. Sex education that normalizes homosexuality, transgenderism and other deviant practices, actually encouraging deviant behavior and downplaying and marginalizing heterosexuality and abstinence.
    5. Insane zero tolerance practices, punishing students for pop-tarts shaped like guns or a student having an "unauthorized aspirin" or plastic butter knife. Of course, abortions and birth control are available without parental notification.
    6. Lockdowns and backpack/locker searches by police utilizing "drug dogs", getting the upcoming generation used to random unconstitutional searches. Quite often, students are "roughed up" by "school resource officers"...just because they can...Lockdowns should be reserved for prisons--not schools...
    Since these "socialization" practices seem to be the norm in our "public education" systems, parents who send their children to these dysfunctional "indoctrination centers" are guilty of child abuse...
    Children who are homeschooled actually do much better in life as they are comfortable with people of all ages. True socialization takes place outside the classroom.

    FWIW (maybe nothing but here goes) I have actually come around to believe in communitarian solutions if one wants to live in lower population densities. It does not mean communism. I did not agree with Bill Clinton’s call for communitarian solutions when I was a striver and lived in a metropolis. But after having left all of that for small town life I have found that communitarian solutions are the bedrock of rural existence unless one has unlimited funds.

    For the record I never thought I would say that.

    I see there as being two USA’s – One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them. If they are allowed to fester out of control I have no doubt a team will show up saying “We are from the government and we are here to help”. I have seen what their “helping” looks like and want nothing of the kind from them.

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    I see there as being two USA’s – One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them.
     
    There are all sorts of positive aspects to this - but it does not need low taxes per se. What it does need, is that most taxes are raised and spent locally on locally decided schooling, healthcare, policing etc. A SMALL PERCENTAGE can be sent to Washington for defence, the diplomatic service and to maintain a figurehead presidency.

    Communitarianism isn't Communism.
    , @anarchyst
    The liberal definition of communitarianism would prohibit a person from purchasing a plot of land in the country, building a house on it and living one's life as one sees fit. This ties in with environmentalism which sees humanity as a "pestilence", to be controlled and told where he or she can live by the "anointed" environmentalists.
    As far as I am concerned, communitarianism IS a form of communism.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I have never heard of the term "communitarianism" but from your definition, you could just call it freedom. There's a term that I know and can live with.

    You just may be a libertarian, Mrs Green, but I can TOTALLY understand why you want to keep this on the QT. They don't take too kindly to us round these parts.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Beautifully said.
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  58. AaronB says:
    @pyrrhus
    Apparently you haven't noticed that "right wing whites" built America, and created a huge stock of innovations, while East Asians have never been very innovative, but have mainly copied western technology. While left wing whites, and Asians, continue to vote for hard left candidates who want to destroy American society, and say so....

    The right wing whites who built this country were more like today’s Asians than today’s whites.

    What is beyond clear is that white nationalists like Derbyshire and Sailer are not even close to recovering the mentality and virtues of an earlier generation of whites – but in fact embody the mentality that led to American decline.

    If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a very different stamp.

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    "If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a different stamp."

    Agreed. Whites, those most aware, are still in a quandary as to how to move forward in this time of vengeance-seeking identity politics. One way is to work through the arts. To be white and unbowed will be the new counter-culture.
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  59. @res
    To back this up with some more data. For Mexican 2006 PISA results see https://blog.diegovalle.net/2009/09/mexican-pisa-scores.html

    https://blog.diegovalle.net/images/blogger_images/4.bp.blogspot.com__q3Caf3YFFAs_So713WWWBiI_AAAAAAAADRg_NlNgSZ68v3w_s1600-h_Mexican-pisa-scores-states.png

    Unfortunately the test results PDF link there is broken. Does anyone have a source for that data? I was unable to find it on the Internet Archive.

    Also from that blog post:

    On the combined science literacy scale in the United States, Black (non-Hispanic) students (409) and Hispanic students (439) scored lower, on average, than White (non-Hispanic) students (523), Asian (non-Hispanic) students (499), and students of more than one race (non-Hispanic) (501).
     
    Another take using a different set of PISA scores: https://jaypgreene.com/2011/01/17/pisa-results-by-subgroup/

    https://jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pisa1.jpg

    I believe FRL is Free or Reduced-price Lunch.

    Data source: https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2011/2011004.pdf

    Not sure what to make of that, but if you believe this shows that Mexicans are dumber than Negros, the tests are off. Not to mention standardized testing is bullshit. How well students do on these tests is based on how much they are coached as to how to do well on these tests. In some areas they focus on these standardized tests to a ridiculous degree. When education is “inclusive” and “marxist” and full of bull who gives a rats ass what the “test scores” are. Some public schools have their whole education based on what these test scores are. It is insanity.

    I know you will counter with the fact these are science test scores but I still call bull. Do you know to what degree some state education systems focus on these tests as the bar and work backwards from that to help all pass the bar? They probably don’t do that in Mexico, and hence you bean counters are flummoxed by these results. Yet the mexicans make their way over and do just fine in the trades.

    The democrat party is solely responsible for leftist and marxist type Mexicans, it is not in their DNA to act like that without some political figure approaching them and subverting them to those beliefs.

    Further, I speculate that the media projection of their being masses of leftist non working mexicans clamoring for a big government to support them are wildly out of line with reality.

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    Do you even know what the PISA test is? Nobody studies for those exams. There is no study material out there, and no PISA test prep. It is not administered by the US, does not affect graduation or college application, a test of zero consequence other than for PISA to compile their reports. Usually 1 school is randomly selected out of a large district to participate, the test takes a few hours and that's that.
    , @RadicalCenter
    It’s not out of line with reality here in Los Angeles.
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  60. @Anon
    What happens if a man and woman divorce.. and the man turns tranny & says he's a 'woman'? Will he get custody of the children, especially if the wife also turns tranny and claims to be a 'man'?

    Btw, I'm all for integrating children of urban yuppie libs with black kids.
    Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

    You win for comment of the day. I second the motion.

    Ever since DeBlasio became mayor of NYC I have been itching to hear the news that negros would be moved into many of the buildings that NY Times staff hold residence in. I am still waiting…..

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  61. Rod1963 says:
    @anon
    i.e. they got the government they voted for.

    I think it's great that Carranza exposed them for the hypocrites they all are. I hope he succeeds in desegregating all the schools in NYC. Give these people the government they deserve.

    You know in the not distant future, the brownskins will have enough clout via numbers to simply blow off the complaints of rich Whites, Jews and Asians whom they despise.

    That’s the problem with those entitled high IQ types. Insufferably arrogant and incapable of thinking through the longer term implications of their social engineering experiments.

    They never understood the bigger picture that all whites are in it together. You just can’t get rid of 80% of the white race simply because you don’t like them and because they don’t max out the SAT and expect everything to work as it is now. Instead it will rot and collapse.

    It was like Chesterton wrote about changing road signs and laws. We better understand why they were put there to begin with before even attempting to change them.

    Our intellectual betters don’t understand that simple dictum. Now it’s biting them on the ass and it will just get worse for them over time.

    The fact is what made our cities and society work so well is it’s infrastructure is staffed by competent and trustworthy power engineers, linemen, Water works specialists, plumbers and cops. Who are still for the most part white and keep civilization from regressing back to 1800. This all goes away when we staff them with brownskins and Muslims. Whose temperament is steal everything that is nailed down.

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    I agree with the part that what makes civilization is the very foundation of the infrastructure. Without infrastructure, any functioning societies albeit large or small are just a bunch of tribal groups.
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  62. One last comment:

    When the last renaissance occurred there was a rise of the city-state. I see a similar need for renaissance in the US if not the world. Here is why:

    The true costs of “liberal” policies has been borne by the US federal government. It is time that the uber liberals go ahead and pay for their redistribution policies and other ridiculous “government programs” at the local level. For way too long the Fed’s have carried the burden for the policies of the cocktail party liberals as they destroy our country based on their notions of “fairness” and “sharing the burden”. Well, states rights and some degree of city-stateness ought to allow the proprieters of redistribution and burden sharing be brought to their wallets. How that experiment turns out when the ones proposing those policies get to pay for them is quite different than the current arrangement we find ourselves in. It is high time that the true blue urban democrat elite get what they have been clamoring for, and get to experience it just like they have made the hard working classes experience over the last 20 years or so. DeBlasio ought be moving massive numbers of negros into high society buildings in NYC so they too can experience “inclusion” and “burden sharing”.

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    And now you can count me as a follower.
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  63. as these liberals run out of ways to avoid their own politics their politics will change but as long as they can move or buy their way out they wont change they will sacrifice their children

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  64. @Anon
    The writer of story 3, Adam Harris, is a person of vibrant negritude, relatively unadmixed from his photo. He doesn't do #InvestigativeJournalismSoWhite.

    Jeffrey Goldberg hired about two dozen diversity hires recently to inclusify the Atlantic's staff of 300. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Harris wasn't one of them, and did not undergo extreme vetting.

    Ah, here we go, from Linked in:

    Experience

    The Atlantic

    Staff Writer
    Company Name The Atlantic
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    “Covering a range of issues affecting higher education with an emphasis on inequality”

    AND i’m sure finds that everywhere he looks.

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  65. @anon
    Some interesting observations. We've tried the standardized national curriculum, first with No Child Left Behind in 2002, then with Common Core in 2009, and neither has moved the needle in "closing the achievement gap". After 15 years the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic remained stubbornly in place, if not widen. Perhaps it's time to stop imposing this unworkable ideal on the whole country?

    When Common Core first came out, I bought in on the whole concept of lack of national standards being the culprit and was supportive. Now after seeing its insidious impact on my children's education for the past 8 years, I think it's time to scrap this stupid idea. Public education has become a way for liberals to indoctrinate the next gen through the content of English lit, Social Studies and Sex Ed. I now firmly believe the only way to fix education is to do the exact opposite - bust up the education cartel that wants to enforce uniformity and allow choice in education.

    Education needs a major shake up, and the only way to shake things up is to allow each school to operate as an independent school, jointly run by parents. Instead of confining kids to attending their neighborhood schools and giving the school district full control over the curriculum, allow kids to attend whichever public school of their choice, and allow each school to determine its own curriculum, determine solely between the teachers and the parents, perhaps through some kind of online voting capability. Allow parents to choose schools that meet their own philosophy on education -- some might want more rigor, others a more artsy or literary focus, or more modern, more traditional, more sports, no sports, STEM focus, vocational skills etc. Have each school declare their education philosophy, focus, curriculum and let people vote with their feet. Allocate funds based on head count.

    Sounds good, but in reality it’s Utopian. I drove my daughter to the charter school 45 min one way every day. Thank goodness among neighbors we had other parents whose kids went to the same school, so I drove their kids there, and they picked them along with my daughter up after school. Otherwise we wouldn’t have that option, even though my hours are entirely my business (research has this advantage). Those who have fixed hours or low income simply won’t be able to vote with their feet. So, the key premise of you position would go down the drain.

    When I say national curriculum (which we don’t have, despite all those catchy slogans), I don’t mean liberal BS. I mean hardcore things, like minimum math, chemistry, physics, biology (real one, that includes evolution: only dismally uneducated or horribly dim-witted person denies it), etc. Let the parents decide the rest. Say, Kansas farmers don’t know any sciences and their only math is counting money. Now they (via local school board) decide what kids in Kansas are taught. This might be good for foreigners (they get an obvious advantage), but this is ruinous for our country.

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  66. Derbyshire, you’ve done it again. You are projecting your “Chinese” doom again. This is the Upper West Side where the Ice People are mostly (((Ice People))). I saw several Asians in that clip so they must have Jewish spouses. I’m glad this is happening to them. I think the problem is that these are not black Jews and/or Hispanic Jews that they want to bring in. For example, (((Geraldo Rivera))) is the offspring of a light-skinned black Puerto Rican and an Ashkenazi mother. (((Chloe Greene))), the Topshop heiress, is pregnant by the black Jeremy Meeks. The offspring will be Jewish of course and these people are kosher in the Upper West Side. The actor (((Morgan Spector))) is married to the black actress Rebecca Hall. Their child will be Jewish because Spector will take care of it. If they settle in New York, they would choose the Upper West Side because their offspring will be Jewish. (((They))) want to control who they integrate. But by what they are marrying, this will soon be moot. Also, your Chinese offspring are not scholars. They would not bring anything benefits to the Upper West Side school system. Deal with the mediocrities walking around your home. They are dooming the USA.

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    I don't know where your coming from in your post but you make good points in your observations of Jew intermarriage. As long as you're rich and 'powerful' you can join the tribe. Rivera, negress model, etc. as long as the offspring are reared Jew.
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  67. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Another great epsisode Derb, I would suggest ‘I’m a White Boy’ by Merle Haggard for a future sign off song.

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  68. @pyrrhus
    Apparently you haven't noticed that "right wing whites" built America, and created a huge stock of innovations, while East Asians have never been very innovative, but have mainly copied western technology. While left wing whites, and Asians, continue to vote for hard left candidates who want to destroy American society, and say so....

    He notices, but it’s just that he’s a shameless hypocrite (Yellow nationalism good; white nationalism bad).

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  69. Truth says:
    @Anon7
    In the 1960's, when my wife was a little girl, she grew up in Morningside Heights apartments, right next to Harlem. Her parents were liberal college professors, so naturally when she was old enough to go to high school and was assigned to a 99% black high school in Harlem, they were thrilled. Public schools for our daughter - no elitist institutions for us! Just think of the possibilities for multicultural interactions.

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds. Thankfully, she ran into the arms of a big black woman teacher, who told those boys to knock it off.

    The next day, the black principal called her and her parents into his office. According to my wife, he said "You need to get this little white girl the hell out of this school TODAY!"

    She found a nice private high school in upstate New York that was just right.

    It's not just academic standards that attract (or repel) parents from different schools...

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds.

    Of course, they wanted to help her get her Trig scores up so that she could attract scholarship attention.

    Hey Derb; you must be ABD on that PhD in Blackpeopleology by now, it’s been quite a few years.

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  70. Rdm says:
    @Rod1963
    You know in the not distant future, the brownskins will have enough clout via numbers to simply blow off the complaints of rich Whites, Jews and Asians whom they despise.

    That's the problem with those entitled high IQ types. Insufferably arrogant and incapable of thinking through the longer term implications of their social engineering experiments.

    They never understood the bigger picture that all whites are in it together. You just can't get rid of 80% of the white race simply because you don't like them and because they don't max out the SAT and expect everything to work as it is now. Instead it will rot and collapse.

    It was like Chesterton wrote about changing road signs and laws. We better understand why they were put there to begin with before even attempting to change them.

    Our intellectual betters don't understand that simple dictum. Now it's biting them on the ass and it will just get worse for them over time.

    The fact is what made our cities and society work so well is it's infrastructure is staffed by competent and trustworthy power engineers, linemen, Water works specialists, plumbers and cops. Who are still for the most part white and keep civilization from regressing back to 1800. This all goes away when we staff them with brownskins and Muslims. Whose temperament is steal everything that is nailed down.

    I agree with the part that what makes civilization is the very foundation of the infrastructure. Without infrastructure, any functioning societies albeit large or small are just a bunch of tribal groups.

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  71. @AaronB
    The right wing whites who built this country were more like today's Asians than today's whites.

    What is beyond clear is that white nationalists like Derbyshire and Sailer are not even close to recovering the mentality and virtues of an earlier generation of whites - but in fact embody the mentality that led to American decline.

    If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a very different stamp.

    “If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a different stamp.”

    Agreed. Whites, those most aware, are still in a quandary as to how to move forward in this time of vengeance-seeking identity politics. One way is to work through the arts. To be white and unbowed will be the new counter-culture.

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    Very good, but being "unbowed" depends on three things

    1) Genuine accomplishment based on hard work. For whites to recover this, they have to rediscover "spirit" - in any endeavor, give it your all. Don't be afraid to just give it your last ounch of energy. You'd be amazed at how much willpower and persistence matters in human affairs. Asians and Jews know this, and whites used to.

    The collapse in willpower among white people has led to an emphasis on innate ability, under the guise of science. It isn't science, it's the voice of inner despair. You are being sold poison by many so called white nationalists. You would do better to go to school to Asians and Jews (although Jews are on the verge of collapse, it seems to me), and relearn your former virtues.

    2) You need the support of a community. As an individual, you are weak. It is impossible to maintain self confidence without feeling connected to something larger than yourself. Even if you can't have a community, mentally you must cultivate a sense of connection to something larger than yourself. One of the strongest sources of motivation is the belief that you are working to help others. Asians and Jews believe that hard work uplifts their community as a whole and is a debt of gratitude to ancestors.

    Only narcissists and psychopaths can get very motivated by purely individual accomplishment, and this is self destructive and quickly leads to social collapse. Individualism has robbed all the good people of their sources of motivation, while leaving psychopaths and narcissists as the only remaining motivated people. This is why America is collapsing.

    3) All this comes back to spirituality. Become a materialist, and the clock starts ticking on your demise.
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  72. Homeschooling fixes everything.

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  73. Z-man says:
    @attilathehen
    Derbyshire, you've done it again. You are projecting your "Chinese" doom again. This is the Upper West Side where the Ice People are mostly (((Ice People))). I saw several Asians in that clip so they must have Jewish spouses. I'm glad this is happening to them. I think the problem is that these are not black Jews and/or Hispanic Jews that they want to bring in. For example, (((Geraldo Rivera))) is the offspring of a light-skinned black Puerto Rican and an Ashkenazi mother. (((Chloe Greene))), the Topshop heiress, is pregnant by the black Jeremy Meeks. The offspring will be Jewish of course and these people are kosher in the Upper West Side. The actor (((Morgan Spector))) is married to the black actress Rebecca Hall. Their child will be Jewish because Spector will take care of it. If they settle in New York, they would choose the Upper West Side because their offspring will be Jewish. (((They))) want to control who they integrate. But by what they are marrying, this will soon be moot. Also, your Chinese offspring are not scholars. They would not bring anything benefits to the Upper West Side school system. Deal with the mediocrities walking around your home. They are dooming the USA.

    I don’t know where your coming from in your post but you make good points in your observations of Jew intermarriage. As long as you’re rich and ‘powerful’ you can join the tribe. Rivera, negress model, etc. as long as the offspring are reared Jew.

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    What I'm saying is that Derbyshire is demented. He writes these bizarre columns where he worries about the West. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. He imported a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He imported and procreated a fifth column in the USA. Derbyshire has written that Asians are superior to whites. He worries about blacks/Hispanics being sent to these Upper West Side schools? His Chinese offspring are barely average in intelligence. Madness!!! He is afraid of Jews. I suppose this is why he ignores the high intermarriage rates of Jews with blacks/Asians. However, as these Jews marry blacks/Asians the little IQ they have will go even lower. And, yet, we are to believe that Jews are the smartest tribe ever. I blame this belief mostly on the evil Zioevangizers. This is why I point out their high intermarriage rates to make people understand that Jews are not part of the West. They are an Afro-Asiatic race with a little European blood. They cannot be a part of the West in anyway. The Ashkenazi Jew is disappearing. Marc Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman. They belong in Israel.
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  74. Escher says:
    @Chris Mallory

    which I assume means whites plus East Asians
     
    Your yellow fever is showing, Youngstown Ohio in the 2010 census had an Asian population of 0.4%. Less than 300 Asians out of a population of 67,000. So that "plus" is pretty small.

    Thankfully, much of America is still relatively free of the yellow peril.

    Yup. Derbyshire always lumps in East Asians with whites, for obvious reasons.

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    And even more to the point, since despite being well read on China, Mr. Derbyshire acts totally non-Chinese in pretty much every manner possible, it's not even clear that many East Asians would want to be lumped together with him...
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  75. Miro23 says:
    @Linda Green
    FWIW (maybe nothing but here goes) I have actually come around to believe in communitarian solutions if one wants to live in lower population densities. It does not mean communism. I did not agree with Bill Clinton's call for communitarian solutions when I was a striver and lived in a metropolis. But after having left all of that for small town life I have found that communitarian solutions are the bedrock of rural existence unless one has unlimited funds.

    For the record I never thought I would say that.

    I see there as being two USA's - One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them. If they are allowed to fester out of control I have no doubt a team will show up saying "We are from the government and we are here to help". I have seen what their "helping" looks like and want nothing of the kind from them.

    I see there as being two USA’s – One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them.

    There are all sorts of positive aspects to this – but it does not need low taxes per se. What it does need, is that most taxes are raised and spent locally on locally decided schooling, healthcare, policing etc. A SMALL PERCENTAGE can be sent to Washington for defence, the diplomatic service and to maintain a figurehead presidency.

    Communitarianism isn’t Communism.

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  76. Yan Shen says:
    @Escher
    Yup. Derbyshire always lumps in East Asians with whites, for obvious reasons.

    And even more to the point, since despite being well read on China, Mr. Derbyshire acts totally non-Chinese in pretty much every manner possible, it’s not even clear that many East Asians would want to be lumped together with him…

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    "...acts totally non-Chinese"...He married a Chinese woman and has written Asians are superior to whites. The East Asians will accept him.
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  77. anarchyst says:
    @Linda Green
    FWIW (maybe nothing but here goes) I have actually come around to believe in communitarian solutions if one wants to live in lower population densities. It does not mean communism. I did not agree with Bill Clinton's call for communitarian solutions when I was a striver and lived in a metropolis. But after having left all of that for small town life I have found that communitarian solutions are the bedrock of rural existence unless one has unlimited funds.

    For the record I never thought I would say that.

    I see there as being two USA's - One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them. If they are allowed to fester out of control I have no doubt a team will show up saying "We are from the government and we are here to help". I have seen what their "helping" looks like and want nothing of the kind from them.

    The liberal definition of communitarianism would prohibit a person from purchasing a plot of land in the country, building a house on it and living one’s life as one sees fit. This ties in with environmentalism which sees humanity as a “pestilence”, to be controlled and told where he or she can live by the “anointed” environmentalists.
    As far as I am concerned, communitarianism IS a form of communism.

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  78. Truth says:

    Hey guys, Whiskey and Tiny Duck are taking the week on vacation, they are out in the Everglades wrestling alligators, but they asked me to send you this timely Meme…

    https://me.me/i/jamesshawjr-wafflehouse-thinblueline-james-shaw-jr-29-was-able-to-21742097

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  79. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    I wonder if this one will make it on Derb’s radar:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11732

    I think we know the answer. Derb is the Rand Paul of the alt-right.

    You seem to have a few more IQ points than Wally so you would see the importance to historical truth of finding ways to check the unfortunately slim evidence as it would have to be in a proper jury trial today. I have in mind starting with records of who and how many were in the Jewish communities of Europe in say 1938 and tracing them through to the corresponding populations (including refugees and their children) in 1948 or a bit after. One could apply the average birth and death rates for say1925 to 1935 to get a base estimate – in addition to tracing individuals – from which one could then infer how many were missing because of WW2 events. Is that what Vad Yashem purports to memorialise? I understand that iit says about 1.3 of the 6 million are unidentified which raises a question about how the 6 million is calculated but hardly casts doubt on the Nazis (particularly Hitler’s and Himmler’s) genocidal intentions and attempts once it was clear that they couldn’t achieve expulsion to Palestine or whatever might have given them a less costly solution to the perceived problem.

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    Ah yes, Wally.
    In Nazi Germany the lowest rung of Nazi Party supervision tended to be occupied by the Blockfuehrer who would be in charge of an apartment block or a few houses. They had a reputation for stupidity and petty snooping. They would visit houses on their beat and if something was cooking on the stove, lift the lid to see what it was.
    I think of Wally as the Block Copy Fuehrer - with his block-copied repetitive Holocaust denial rants.
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  80. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    The US school system is doomed, but that is true even without the complications of the race issue. In contrast to all civilized and many uncivilized countries, the US has no national standards in school education. This means two things. First, what kids are taught is decided parochially by local school boards, often full of semi-literate people. Second, as people move quite a lot around the country, a teacher cannot be sure what kids in his/her class already know, so the math in any grade starts with times table. Reasonably smart and educated kids get bored beyond endurance and put off education, whereas uneducated and/or dumb kids never learn. Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer would be good education at the elementary school level. That requires national standards, otherwise the word “good” has no meaning.

    As it is, half of college education is remedial: students are taught what they should have learned in school, but didn’t. This creates gaping holes in college education, especially considering that only 2% of the US students attend demanding colleges, whereas the majority attends colleges where the ability to read and count to ten brings you an A- or higher. We see the consequences in our graduate school: the first year is again remedial, students are taught what they should have learned in college, but didn’t. Admissions committees have to go by GRE scores (which have zero predictive value; they basically show how much effort a person put into preparing for the GRE tests) and GPA, which also does not mean anything (say, GPA 4.0 in a shithole college reflects worse education than GPA 2.5 is a good college). In fact, the admissions committees (I served on one for 6 years at my University) essentially rely on letters from recommenders and the results of the interview, as we want students that will eventually graduate, rather than fail miserably. This works in natural sciences (sort of), whereas in humanities the ability to spew BS glibly rules. This explains the quality of the humanities in the US.

    The most alarming thing is that nobody in the US even talks about the education any more, as if the problems are solved. Even in the times of Bush Jr (famous for his words that books are good, as there are pictures in them) education was discussed, but nowadays all federal resources are wasted on “defense”. Considering that the US spends on “defense” more than the rest of the world combined, who are we “defending” from, the Martians? The US is still doing not that bad in natural sciences, but it is the result of pure parasitism. When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born. This source of success is drying out: twenty years ago if you tell your Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, that was a serious threat, but today they go back to China voluntarily in droves. To speed up the process of decline, the Congress allocates to the Pentagon in a month more than it allocates to science in a year. Unlike Pentagon contractors, the NIH and NSF do not generate kickbacks and campaign donations (which would be criminally punishable corruption anywhere in the world, but are perfectly legal in the US), so there is no end in sight for this downward spiral.

    You only omit to mention one of the “more means worse” corollaries. As the numbers pushed into post high school education moves toward 50 per cent there are going to be large numbers of dim people (voters no less) who have been taught by some verbally facile but unintelligent people. These naturally impart the illusion (having first imbibed it themselves) that they know something important – both theory and facts – about history and politics and that the opinions they form are worth a row of beans. No STEM possible of course but couldn’t some practical skills be usefully imparted? And realistic modesty.

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    You are right in one key thing: degrees do not make dumb people smarter, and the lack of a degree does not make smart people dumber. That includes advanced degrees, such as PhD and MD. In my experience in biochemistry and cell biology, fewer that 50% of people getting PhD in biology in the US deserve it. I strongly suspect that in humanities that number is less than 10%.
    The key difference between a true scientist (or a really educated person in any field) is that you can make a clear distinction between things you know and things you don’t. In my experience, people who know nothing about everything tend to think that they know it all. A good example is Bush Jr: dumb, ignorant, and proud of it. This used to be a purely American phenomenon, but current crop of European “leaders” shows that it became pretty widespread in the world.
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  81. @AnonFromTN
    The US school system is doomed, but that is true even without the complications of the race issue. In contrast to all civilized and many uncivilized countries, the US has no national standards in school education. This means two things. First, what kids are taught is decided parochially by local school boards, often full of semi-literate people. Second, as people move quite a lot around the country, a teacher cannot be sure what kids in his/her class already know, so the math in any grade starts with times table. Reasonably smart and educated kids get bored beyond endurance and put off education, whereas uneducated and/or dumb kids never learn. Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer would be good education at the elementary school level. That requires national standards, otherwise the word “good” has no meaning.

    As it is, half of college education is remedial: students are taught what they should have learned in school, but didn’t. This creates gaping holes in college education, especially considering that only 2% of the US students attend demanding colleges, whereas the majority attends colleges where the ability to read and count to ten brings you an A- or higher. We see the consequences in our graduate school: the first year is again remedial, students are taught what they should have learned in college, but didn’t. Admissions committees have to go by GRE scores (which have zero predictive value; they basically show how much effort a person put into preparing for the GRE tests) and GPA, which also does not mean anything (say, GPA 4.0 in a shithole college reflects worse education than GPA 2.5 is a good college). In fact, the admissions committees (I served on one for 6 years at my University) essentially rely on letters from recommenders and the results of the interview, as we want students that will eventually graduate, rather than fail miserably. This works in natural sciences (sort of), whereas in humanities the ability to spew BS glibly rules. This explains the quality of the humanities in the US.

    The most alarming thing is that nobody in the US even talks about the education any more, as if the problems are solved. Even in the times of Bush Jr (famous for his words that books are good, as there are pictures in them) education was discussed, but nowadays all federal resources are wasted on “defense”. Considering that the US spends on “defense” more than the rest of the world combined, who are we “defending” from, the Martians? The US is still doing not that bad in natural sciences, but it is the result of pure parasitism. When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born. This source of success is drying out: twenty years ago if you tell your Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, that was a serious threat, but today they go back to China voluntarily in droves. To speed up the process of decline, the Congress allocates to the Pentagon in a month more than it allocates to science in a year. Unlike Pentagon contractors, the NIH and NSF do not generate kickbacks and campaign donations (which would be criminally punishable corruption anywhere in the world, but are perfectly legal in the US), so there is no end in sight for this downward spiral.

    For a comment in a golden box, there is a whole lot to disagree with in it. First, I agree with your replier, anon[508], but even more vehemently because I don’t think the US government has any business being involved with education. It wasn’t until the Dept. of Education in the last 1970′s, broken out from H.E.W. I don’t even believe in public education to begin with. To try another “No Child Left Behind” is insanity.

    Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer…

    You just got done writing that some kids are smart and some kids are dumb. How are you going to have an equalizer? How about let parents run, or send kids to, whatever school of the quality they are willing to pay for?

    All the big government programs do is add more bureaucracy and take the ability to teach well away from the good teachers. The modern American school is hardly discernible from a correctional institute. The money is not the problem, as I could tell you the story of an elementary school with 2 attendance committed people who use up $100,000 a year or so. Jonathan Mason is correct in his first sentence above.

    When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born.

    Yep, not because of American’s lack of interest or abilities, but because the Universities went the cheap labor route like any other big business. Do you know how much tuition the foreign (meaning Chinese and Middle Eastern) students pay, BTW? They are a cash cow. If they all went away, Americans would to the research and the teaching (in which, yippee, students could understand the lecture again!) just like they did < 1990.

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    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.
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  82. @Linda Green
    FWIW (maybe nothing but here goes) I have actually come around to believe in communitarian solutions if one wants to live in lower population densities. It does not mean communism. I did not agree with Bill Clinton's call for communitarian solutions when I was a striver and lived in a metropolis. But after having left all of that for small town life I have found that communitarian solutions are the bedrock of rural existence unless one has unlimited funds.

    For the record I never thought I would say that.

    I see there as being two USA's - One metropolitan and uber liberal where the citizens clamor for more government control of everything and another that is bright red and wants small government, low taxes, and yes, communitarianism. Communitarianism when it is sought out by the citizens themselves and does not seek big government solutions to problems is a true solution to issues. It means that the people, endowed by their creator with certain unalieable rights, understand that addressing problems can be done two ways: Fix it themselves, or have the government fix it. Red State small town communitarians like myself want to retain small government and I understand that to do so, if any big issues pop up, I will need to work with my neighbors to address them. If they are allowed to fester out of control I have no doubt a team will show up saying "We are from the government and we are here to help". I have seen what their "helping" looks like and want nothing of the kind from them.

    I have never heard of the term “communitarianism” but from your definition, you could just call it freedom. There’s a term that I know and can live with.

    You just may be a libertarian, Mrs Green, but I can TOTALLY understand why you want to keep this on the QT. They don’t take too kindly to us round these parts.

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  83. @Z-man
    I don't know where your coming from in your post but you make good points in your observations of Jew intermarriage. As long as you're rich and 'powerful' you can join the tribe. Rivera, negress model, etc. as long as the offspring are reared Jew.

    What I’m saying is that Derbyshire is demented. He writes these bizarre columns where he worries about the West. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. He imported a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He imported and procreated a fifth column in the USA. Derbyshire has written that Asians are superior to whites. He worries about blacks/Hispanics being sent to these Upper West Side schools? His Chinese offspring are barely average in intelligence. Madness!!! He is afraid of Jews. I suppose this is why he ignores the high intermarriage rates of Jews with blacks/Asians. However, as these Jews marry blacks/Asians the little IQ they have will go even lower. And, yet, we are to believe that Jews are the smartest tribe ever. I blame this belief mostly on the evil Zioevangizers. This is why I point out their high intermarriage rates to make people understand that Jews are not part of the West. They are an Afro-Asiatic race with a little European blood. They cannot be a part of the West in anyway. The Ashkenazi Jew is disappearing. Marc Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman. They belong in Israel.

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    The problem isn’t that Derb’s afraid of Jews (who isn’t), the problem is that, by his own admission, he’s a philo-Semite.
    , @Ghost
    Assimilation. Chosen by the chosen many decades ago. For a reason.
    , @Z-man
    Thanks for the reply.
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  84. @Yan Shen
    And even more to the point, since despite being well read on China, Mr. Derbyshire acts totally non-Chinese in pretty much every manner possible, it's not even clear that many East Asians would want to be lumped together with him...

    “…acts totally non-Chinese”…He married a Chinese woman and has written Asians are superior to whites. The East Asians will accept him.

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    Most sane East Asians would want nothing to do with Mr. Derbyshire's inane ramblings, despite his pretensions to the contrary.

    Kind of like how no normal person would want to have anything to do with you...

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  85. midtown says:
    @anon
    Some interesting observations. We've tried the standardized national curriculum, first with No Child Left Behind in 2002, then with Common Core in 2009, and neither has moved the needle in "closing the achievement gap". After 15 years the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic remained stubbornly in place, if not widen. Perhaps it's time to stop imposing this unworkable ideal on the whole country?

    When Common Core first came out, I bought in on the whole concept of lack of national standards being the culprit and was supportive. Now after seeing its insidious impact on my children's education for the past 8 years, I think it's time to scrap this stupid idea. Public education has become a way for liberals to indoctrinate the next gen through the content of English lit, Social Studies and Sex Ed. I now firmly believe the only way to fix education is to do the exact opposite - bust up the education cartel that wants to enforce uniformity and allow choice in education.

    Education needs a major shake up, and the only way to shake things up is to allow each school to operate as an independent school, jointly run by parents. Instead of confining kids to attending their neighborhood schools and giving the school district full control over the curriculum, allow kids to attend whichever public school of their choice, and allow each school to determine its own curriculum, determine solely between the teachers and the parents, perhaps through some kind of online voting capability. Allow parents to choose schools that meet their own philosophy on education -- some might want more rigor, others a more artsy or literary focus, or more modern, more traditional, more sports, no sports, STEM focus, vocational skills etc. Have each school declare their education philosophy, focus, curriculum and let people vote with their feet. Allocate funds based on head count.

    I agree — in other words, expand the charter school model. The most important element is to de-unionize the teachers.

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  86. myself says:
    @Randal

    “Watch wealthy white Manhattan parents angrily rant against plan to bring more black kids to their schools.”
     
    I'll venture to suggest that "wealthy white Manhattanites" are probably overwhelmingly Democrat in voting preference and crushingly pc when it comes to toeing the antiracist etc line, at least in public, and at least when the direct interests of their own children are not at risk.

    But rank leftist hypocrisy over the education of their children is absolutely the norm in the US and UK. Recall all the UK leftist politicians determined to impose state comprehensive education on the nation who nevertheless thought it was fine to send their own children to private or elite selective state schools. The most famous case in the UK was Diane Abbot, but there were many other examples, from Blair, Lord Falconer and Harriet Harman to Clegg and Chakrabarti more recently. As this revealingly selective Telegraph apologia shows, this position is in practice winked at by the Labour hierarchy:

    Shami Chakrabarti is not a hypocrite for sending her son to private school – but Corbyn might be one for appointing her

    This should be unsurprising, as it merely reflects the underlying "do as I say not as I do", "rules for thee but not for me" hypocrisy of the authoritarian left, but it's still intensely annoying that they get away with it so routinely.

    But rank leftist hypocrisy over the education of their children is absolutely the norm in the US and UK. Recall all the UK leftist politicians determined to impose state comprehensive education on the nation who nevertheless thought it was fine to send their own children to private or elite selective state schools

    This should be unsurprising, as it merely reflects the underlying “do as I say not as I do”, “rules for thee but not for me” hypocrisy of the authoritarian left, but it’s still intensely annoying that they get away with it so routinely.

    Allow me to engage in what even to me sounds like a “conspiracy theory”. I know it’s going off the deep end, but hey it’s fun. Here goes:

    Maybe the elite are not hypocritical, but rather deliberately malicious in their policies.

    By forcing weaker students onto more intelligent (but non-rich) ones, via forced integration, they lower the general standards and qualifications of ALL who are not of their favored class (themselves and their children).

    In the long run, anyone not already rich, including whites, would be denied high quality education, and would be rendered unable to compete with the rich’s children.

    This cements the elite’s hold on the upper rungs of society.

    Meanwhile, the elite’s children can attend high-quality schools with high standards, schools that will not be racially integrated – ever. The higher educational attainment these schools make more likely then paves the way for their offspring’s continued dominance.

    Tell me I am not onto something, eh?

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  87. @attilathehen
    What I'm saying is that Derbyshire is demented. He writes these bizarre columns where he worries about the West. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. He imported a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He imported and procreated a fifth column in the USA. Derbyshire has written that Asians are superior to whites. He worries about blacks/Hispanics being sent to these Upper West Side schools? His Chinese offspring are barely average in intelligence. Madness!!! He is afraid of Jews. I suppose this is why he ignores the high intermarriage rates of Jews with blacks/Asians. However, as these Jews marry blacks/Asians the little IQ they have will go even lower. And, yet, we are to believe that Jews are the smartest tribe ever. I blame this belief mostly on the evil Zioevangizers. This is why I point out their high intermarriage rates to make people understand that Jews are not part of the West. They are an Afro-Asiatic race with a little European blood. They cannot be a part of the West in anyway. The Ashkenazi Jew is disappearing. Marc Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman. They belong in Israel.

    The problem isn’t that Derb’s afraid of Jews (who isn’t), the problem is that, by his own admission, he’s a philo-Semite.

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    Putin is not afraid of the Jews. Trump in his odd way is not afraid of them. Yes, Derbyshire is a semitophile who is at the same time afraid of the Jews. This is weird because there is nothing they can do to him. He's old and retired. His problems stem from the Chinese wife and offspring. Also, I think his offspring may be dating some black/Asian/Jewish types. Recall his recent column about black race realists. He mentioned the black WSJ Jason Riley who is married to (((Naomi Schaefer))). He mentioned the black John McWhorter who is married to (((Martha Sparks))). His scribblings are becoming more contradictory and illogical. Always cherchez la femme/le homme/la famille.
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  88. Ghost says:

    Nobel prize for this phrase Mr. Derbyshire: “…regime of compulsory public dishonesty”.

    Still laughing ’cause it’s so pithily accurate.

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  89. Ghost says:
    @attilathehen
    What I'm saying is that Derbyshire is demented. He writes these bizarre columns where he worries about the West. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. He imported a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He imported and procreated a fifth column in the USA. Derbyshire has written that Asians are superior to whites. He worries about blacks/Hispanics being sent to these Upper West Side schools? His Chinese offspring are barely average in intelligence. Madness!!! He is afraid of Jews. I suppose this is why he ignores the high intermarriage rates of Jews with blacks/Asians. However, as these Jews marry blacks/Asians the little IQ they have will go even lower. And, yet, we are to believe that Jews are the smartest tribe ever. I blame this belief mostly on the evil Zioevangizers. This is why I point out their high intermarriage rates to make people understand that Jews are not part of the West. They are an Afro-Asiatic race with a little European blood. They cannot be a part of the West in anyway. The Ashkenazi Jew is disappearing. Marc Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman. They belong in Israel.

    Assimilation. Chosen by the chosen many decades ago. For a reason.

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    The "chosen" don't assimilate to the Caucasian, Christian world though. They allow blacks/Asians to assimilate to their tribe and still declare themselves the chosen. Amy Chua is married to a Jew and is raising her daughters Jewish. Her daughters believe they are the chosen. Madness!!! It is up to us to remind present day "Jews" that they are not the chosen and not related to the Jews of Jesus' time. Assimilation in the West still means white.
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  90. AaronB says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    "If the white population is to live up to its potential, it will have to produce thinkers of a different stamp."

    Agreed. Whites, those most aware, are still in a quandary as to how to move forward in this time of vengeance-seeking identity politics. One way is to work through the arts. To be white and unbowed will be the new counter-culture.

    Very good, but being “unbowed” depends on three things

    1) Genuine accomplishment based on hard work. For whites to recover this, they have to rediscover “spirit” – in any endeavor, give it your all. Don’t be afraid to just give it your last ounch of energy. You’d be amazed at how much willpower and persistence matters in human affairs. Asians and Jews know this, and whites used to.

    The collapse in willpower among white people has led to an emphasis on innate ability, under the guise of science. It isn’t science, it’s the voice of inner despair. You are being sold poison by many so called white nationalists. You would do better to go to school to Asians and Jews (although Jews are on the verge of collapse, it seems to me), and relearn your former virtues.

    2) You need the support of a community. As an individual, you are weak. It is impossible to maintain self confidence without feeling connected to something larger than yourself. Even if you can’t have a community, mentally you must cultivate a sense of connection to something larger than yourself. One of the strongest sources of motivation is the belief that you are working to help others. Asians and Jews believe that hard work uplifts their community as a whole and is a debt of gratitude to ancestors.

    Only narcissists and psychopaths can get very motivated by purely individual accomplishment, and this is self destructive and quickly leads to social collapse. Individualism has robbed all the good people of their sources of motivation, while leaving psychopaths and narcissists as the only remaining motivated people. This is why America is collapsing.

    3) All this comes back to spirituality. Become a materialist, and the clock starts ticking on your demise.

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  91. @Wally
    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don't accept.:
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s
    "Netanyahu has called the migrants' presence a threat to Israel's social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as "a cancer"."

    Must read:
    Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Jews demand massive immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

    Maybe they’re trying to scare U.S. and European Jews into moving to Israel, so they can contribute to their insane taxation rates.

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  92. @Anon
    What happens if a man and woman divorce.. and the man turns tranny & says he's a 'woman'? Will he get custody of the children, especially if the wife also turns tranny and claims to be a 'man'?

    Btw, I'm all for integrating children of urban yuppie libs with black kids.
    Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

    Those kids are already suffering enough from having Twits for parents. Have pity.

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  93. @Anonymous
    You only omit to mention one of the "more means worse" corollaries. As the numbers pushed into post high school education moves toward 50 per cent there are going to be large numbers of dim people (voters no less) who have been taught by some verbally facile but unintelligent people. These naturally impart the illusion (having first imbibed it themselves) that they know something important - both theory and facts - about history and politics and that the opinions they form are worth a row of beans. No STEM possible of course but couldn't some practical skills be usefully imparted? And realistic modesty.

    You are right in one key thing: degrees do not make dumb people smarter, and the lack of a degree does not make smart people dumber. That includes advanced degrees, such as PhD and MD. In my experience in biochemistry and cell biology, fewer that 50% of people getting PhD in biology in the US deserve it. I strongly suspect that in humanities that number is less than 10%.
    The key difference between a true scientist (or a really educated person in any field) is that you can make a clear distinction between things you know and things you don’t. In my experience, people who know nothing about everything tend to think that they know it all. A good example is Bush Jr: dumb, ignorant, and proud of it. This used to be a purely American phenomenon, but current crop of European “leaders” shows that it became pretty widespread in the world.

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    And people like us just have to be modest enough and attentive enough to the details of reality to understand and acknowledge how it can be that high IQ hyperactive brains like ours can't rule much of the world, and what other useful qualities others' have that we must reluctantly concede should make us feel even humbler :-)
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  94. @Achmed E. Newman
    For a comment in a golden box, there is a whole lot to disagree with in it. First, I agree with your replier, anon[508], but even more vehemently because I don't think the US government has any business being involved with education. It wasn't until the Dept. of Education in the last 1970's, broken out from H.E.W. I don't even believe in public education to begin with. To try another "No Child Left Behind" is insanity.

    Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer...
     
    You just got done writing that some kids are smart and some kids are dumb. How are you going to have an equalizer? How about let parents run, or send kids to, whatever school of the quality they are willing to pay for?

    All the big government programs do is add more bureaucracy and take the ability to teach well away from the good teachers. The modern American school is hardly discernible from a correctional institute. The money is not the problem, as I could tell you the story of an elementary school with 2 attendance committed people who use up $100,000 a year or so. Jonathan Mason is correct in his first sentence above.

    When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born.

     

    Yep, not because of American's lack of interest or abilities, but because the Universities went the cheap labor route like any other big business. Do you know how much tuition the foreign (meaning Chinese and Middle Eastern) students pay, BTW? They are a cash cow. If they all went away, Americans would to the research and the teaching (in which, yippee, students could understand the lecture again!) just like they did < 1990.

    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

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    I agree with your point (1) (I guess that's because you agree with me, haha!)

    As to (2), I believe you that Soviet Russia had less bureaucracy and PC bullshit than what you have in the US primary schools now. However, you have not been here long. This reminds me of Yan Shen when he's all "China, China, China" and has no earthly idea what America was like when it WAS great.

    As to what to do NOW, well more bureaucracy is absolutely not the answer. I hate to hear someone who got out of Soviet Russia try to tell Americans to make more damn rules. The hell with that. It is not the business of any government to tell parents what their children should be learning. If you don't believe that than you are not any better than the Commies - that belief system as a built-in assumption that people don't know what's best for themselves.

    Oh, I don't think you got your BS and MS degree for free. Complete bullshit there - there's no such thing as a free lunch; your countrymen unwillingly paid for your schooling. I don't think they got their money's worth (I don't mean that as an insult, just that you are here now, so how does that education help Russia?)

    BTW, I've got nothing against private institutions that schools could (VOLUNTARILY) subscribe to to run test for assessment of learning, but government needs to STFO!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Re (3) : I was not in the humanities. I know lot from personal experience about academics in engineering and science. You are just wr0ng. I'm not talking about full professors' salaries. I'm talking about cheap labor from foreign grad students (mostly Chinese, and about 1/2 as many dot-Indians, the latter more likely in computer science, not engineering).

    Back in the late 1980's there were only a few very bright people from China and India in the graduate schools. Americans could do research and teach classes very well in this capacity (as a grad. student). I never had an American I couldn't understand well, except a New Yorker or two. Americans were able to get good-paying classes back then, so grad school was a sacrifice money wise.

    Even at that time, there were already Chinese guys teaching in the math department, and the tuition-paying (it was not so much on loans back then) undergrads had to try to make sense from what was on the board. Good luck asking a question - first the guy would have to understand that question, say 50%, and then you'd have to understand his answer, say 25% - whaddya get, math whiz , around 12% chance of getting the question answered to your satisfaction? That's a rip off!

    The cheap labor for the research went hog wild when immigration ramped up, especially student visas that turned into work visas then green cards. The Americans were priced out, because they were not used to living in tiny apartments on campus with the family an mother-in-law on a tourist visa.

    I knew plenty of very bright American who could whip you to the floor with equations. The Chinese do well in math but rely on memorization too much. They cheat more too.

    I've know all about academics, including paper-publishing, which can be a scam on its own, with 12 co-authors, who maybe lent the author a piece of equipment, or helped find a book with the solution to that diff-eq, or let the author use a piece of software. Academics is as corrupt as the next field. You're a part of it, so I understand the defensive position you're in.
    , @Yan Shen

    The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.
     
    Hahaha. Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg's numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article, but since one of the mistakes in the original piece was using elicit instead of illicit, it seems like the problem you described certainly exists among the various white nationalist types who are always complaining about blacks or whatever else minority group in this country today...

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-anecdote-for-toxic-blackness-is-toxic-whiteness/#comment-2317790

    , @MarkinLA
    Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it.

    This is the most irrelevant nonsense relating to the problem that I have ever read. Of course money has a lot to do with it. A recent BS graduate can make significantly more than a post-doc - especially if he gets hired by a company like Google or Apple. If he is exceptionally talented, the work he will do there will be more advanced that what he would likely do if he stayed on and went to graduate school resulting in even higher salaries and better opportunities in the profession. It is really rare that a graduate student has such a good idea that he would be better off developing it in graduate school and starting a company when he leaves than just getting a high paying job after he gets his BS.

    A foreign student doesn't have that option (or at least shouldn't but we have all sorts of ways of getting around it now). So they go to graduate school if they can't get an H-1B sponsor or if the professor needs cheap labor for his research and gets him a position so he can keep his dream of getting a visa alive.

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  95. Yan Shen says:
    @attilathehen
    "...acts totally non-Chinese"...He married a Chinese woman and has written Asians are superior to whites. The East Asians will accept him.

    Most sane East Asians would want nothing to do with Mr. Derbyshire’s inane ramblings, despite his pretensions to the contrary.

    Kind of like how no normal person would want to have anything to do with you…

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  96. @AnonFromTN
    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

    I agree with your point (1) (I guess that’s because you agree with me, haha!)

    As to (2), I believe you that Soviet Russia had less bureaucracy and PC bullshit than what you have in the US primary schools now. However, you have not been here long. This reminds me of Yan Shen when he’s all “China, China, China” and has no earthly idea what America was like when it WAS great.

    As to what to do NOW, well more bureaucracy is absolutely not the answer. I hate to hear someone who got out of Soviet Russia try to tell Americans to make more damn rules. The hell with that. It is not the business of any government to tell parents what their children should be learning. If you don’t believe that than you are not any better than the Commies – that belief system as a built-in assumption that people don’t know what’s best for themselves.

    Oh, I don’t think you got your BS and MS degree for free. Complete bullshit there – there’s no such thing as a free lunch; your countrymen unwillingly paid for your schooling. I don’t think they got their money’s worth (I don’t mean that as an insult, just that you are here now, so how does that education help Russia?)

    BTW, I’ve got nothing against private institutions that schools could (VOLUNTARILY) subscribe to to run test for assessment of learning, but government needs to STFO!

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  97. @AnonFromTN
    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

    Re (3) : I was not in the humanities. I know lot from personal experience about academics in engineering and science. You are just wr0ng. I’m not talking about full professors’ salaries. I’m talking about cheap labor from foreign grad students (mostly Chinese, and about 1/2 as many dot-Indians, the latter more likely in computer science, not engineering).

    Back in the late 1980′s there were only a few very bright people from China and India in the graduate schools. Americans could do research and teach classes very well in this capacity (as a grad. student). I never had an American I couldn’t understand well, except a New Yorker or two. Americans were able to get good-paying classes back then, so grad school was a sacrifice money wise.

    Even at that time, there were already Chinese guys teaching in the math department, and the tuition-paying (it was not so much on loans back then) undergrads had to try to make sense from what was on the board. Good luck asking a question – first the guy would have to understand that question, say 50%, and then you’d have to understand his answer, say 25% – whaddya get, math whiz , around 12% chance of getting the question answered to your satisfaction? That’s a rip off!

    The cheap labor for the research went hog wild when immigration ramped up, especially student visas that turned into work visas then green cards. The Americans were priced out, because they were not used to living in tiny apartments on campus with the family an mother-in-law on a tourist visa.

    I knew plenty of very bright American who could whip you to the floor with equations. The Chinese do well in math but rely on memorization too much. They cheat more too.

    I’ve know all about academics, including paper-publishing, which can be a scam on its own, with 12 co-authors, who maybe lent the author a piece of equipment, or helped find a book with the solution to that diff-eq, or let the author use a piece of software. Academics is as corrupt as the next field. You’re a part of it, so I understand the defensive position you’re in.

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    I don’t know about the US before 1991. I do know, though, that the last really good president was Nixon. He might have been a nasty person, but he was a great president of the country. All subsequent presidents did more to ruin the US than any of America’s enemies, particularly in the last 25 years.
    I don’t know about math, computing, or engineering, I only had one joint student with a guy in Math Dept. The student was American (he graduated), whereas his mentor is Italian (now a naturalized US citizen). That student had to TA for his tuition.

    I know about biomedical research, mostly funded by the NIH, with smaller contributions from NSF, VA, and DoD (via DARPA). There are certain rules about authorship of our papers, and in most journals you have to specify the contribution of each author. Of course, you can enlist a “big name” author to increase your chances of getting into higher profile journal, but most people don’t do that. Our grad students do not pay or TA for tuition: they are paid stipend (from PI’s grants) and PIs who have them in the lab pay tuition for year two (year one is paid by the University), and some expenses thereafter. For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

    In my experience, quality comes from all over the world. So far my best post-doc (now an Assistant Professor at another University) was Chinese, my best grad student was American (the girl who had a Chinese guy as English Professor), my best tech was a girl from Cameroon. What the lack of minimum requirements in math and sciences in the US educational system does is putting Americans at a disadvantage. As you appear to be a staunch supporter of that, you have only yourself to blame.

    Yes, the expense of education in the USSR was paid by involuntary contributions from all. Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.

    Academics are not perfect, but in terms of corruption, as compared to the government, the science is a paragon of honesty. If the Congress had the same conflict of interest rules as the NIH, many pieces of legislation (including Pentagon budget) would have no one qualified to vote. That would save our country from corrupt to the core politicians and obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. Maybe you are happy with those, I am not.

    , @Anon
    In the mid 1980s students and their parents of the University of Illinois Urbana sued the university because the foreign TAs and instructors could not speak English well enough to be understood

    I don’t know what happened if anyone tried that today I’m sure the suit would be dismissed on grounds of racism.
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  98. @niteranger
    The American education systems is toast or a potato ----stick a fork in it. There is no recovery from the damage from both the right and the left. What's nice about the video is that these people are usually the type of progressives (Marxists) that vote for dickheads like DeBlasio and his Leftist friends. These people are the "Caviar Left." Now their insane ideology has come back to haunt them like some specter from Hell. Now they will pay for their insane ideas about everyone being the same intellectually with the destruction of their children's education. What's worse these idiots just sat there when the Principal just basically called them racists for wanting to get their children a good education.

    I've always tried to convince Conservatives that they don't know how to play the game against these Rich Marxists. It's simple! Make them hurt and show them for what they really are. For example, when these jack asses like DeNiro, Moore and others start calling everyone racist just drop about 50 Mexicans, Somalians or other illegally arrived immigrants at one of their properties and make sure the cameras are rolling. Tell them they have so much room they should share it with their fellow humans.

    Until all of these groups feel the pain they will continue to play their racist games. The same for Khazars. Drop a few hundred illegals off at their rich centers and tell them since they are for unbridled immigration they should take these people in.

    There is nothing you can do to save education in America. Home school your kids. The Universities are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Unless you are getting a STEM degree it's a waste of money. The problem is contrary to America's belief system most students aren't smart enough to get STEM degrees. We are headed for the collapse of all systems and you should prepare accordingly and education is one of the first to go.

    Right on. I was amazed the Principal was able to get away with that speech. And these are the people who are going to fix America! Unbelievable.

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  99. Yan Shen says:
    @AnonFromTN
    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

    The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

    Hahaha. Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg’s numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article, but since one of the mistakes in the original piece was using elicit instead of illicit, it seems like the problem you described certainly exists among the various white nationalist types who are always complaining about blacks or whatever else minority group in this country today…

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-anecdote-for-toxic-blackness-is-toxic-whiteness/#comment-2317790

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    Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg’s numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article,
     
    LOL, you mean the article about how Knee-grows are destroying the US education system?
    , @anon
    Picking on spelling and grammar is for the small minded. It's the reason why libtards are always the ones who miss the forest for the trees.
    , @Anon
    American K-12 public schools stopped teaching grammar about 1980 because English grammar is deemed racist against non Whites.
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  100. @Achmed E. Newman
    Re (3) : I was not in the humanities. I know lot from personal experience about academics in engineering and science. You are just wr0ng. I'm not talking about full professors' salaries. I'm talking about cheap labor from foreign grad students (mostly Chinese, and about 1/2 as many dot-Indians, the latter more likely in computer science, not engineering).

    Back in the late 1980's there were only a few very bright people from China and India in the graduate schools. Americans could do research and teach classes very well in this capacity (as a grad. student). I never had an American I couldn't understand well, except a New Yorker or two. Americans were able to get good-paying classes back then, so grad school was a sacrifice money wise.

    Even at that time, there were already Chinese guys teaching in the math department, and the tuition-paying (it was not so much on loans back then) undergrads had to try to make sense from what was on the board. Good luck asking a question - first the guy would have to understand that question, say 50%, and then you'd have to understand his answer, say 25% - whaddya get, math whiz , around 12% chance of getting the question answered to your satisfaction? That's a rip off!

    The cheap labor for the research went hog wild when immigration ramped up, especially student visas that turned into work visas then green cards. The Americans were priced out, because they were not used to living in tiny apartments on campus with the family an mother-in-law on a tourist visa.

    I knew plenty of very bright American who could whip you to the floor with equations. The Chinese do well in math but rely on memorization too much. They cheat more too.

    I've know all about academics, including paper-publishing, which can be a scam on its own, with 12 co-authors, who maybe lent the author a piece of equipment, or helped find a book with the solution to that diff-eq, or let the author use a piece of software. Academics is as corrupt as the next field. You're a part of it, so I understand the defensive position you're in.

    I don’t know about the US before 1991. I do know, though, that the last really good president was Nixon. He might have been a nasty person, but he was a great president of the country. All subsequent presidents did more to ruin the US than any of America’s enemies, particularly in the last 25 years.
    I don’t know about math, computing, or engineering, I only had one joint student with a guy in Math Dept. The student was American (he graduated), whereas his mentor is Italian (now a naturalized US citizen). That student had to TA for his tuition.

    I know about biomedical research, mostly funded by the NIH, with smaller contributions from NSF, VA, and DoD (via DARPA). There are certain rules about authorship of our papers, and in most journals you have to specify the contribution of each author. Of course, you can enlist a “big name” author to increase your chances of getting into higher profile journal, but most people don’t do that. Our grad students do not pay or TA for tuition: they are paid stipend (from PI’s grants) and PIs who have them in the lab pay tuition for year two (year one is paid by the University), and some expenses thereafter. For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

    In my experience, quality comes from all over the world. So far my best post-doc (now an Assistant Professor at another University) was Chinese, my best grad student was American (the girl who had a Chinese guy as English Professor), my best tech was a girl from Cameroon. What the lack of minimum requirements in math and sciences in the US educational system does is putting Americans at a disadvantage. As you appear to be a staunch supporter of that, you have only yourself to blame.

    Yes, the expense of education in the USSR was paid by involuntary contributions from all. Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.

    Academics are not perfect, but in terms of corruption, as compared to the government, the science is a paragon of honesty. If the Congress had the same conflict of interest rules as the NIH, many pieces of legislation (including Pentagon budget) would have no one qualified to vote. That would save our country from corrupt to the core politicians and obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. Maybe you are happy with those, I am not.

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    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.
     
    I agree with you that the athlete's diplomas are worthless. It's pretty stupid, but at least that stuff (the football games, especially) more than pays for itself.

    The University student loan bubble will not last forever. You may want to read discussion of this here, here, here, and here. Oh, and then there's the Great University Textbook Scam.

    I don't want your socialism, and I don't know why you are working in Tennessee vs. having stayed back in the USSR, what with their great educational opportunities and big Central Government that you LUV, LUV, LUV.
    , @RadicalCenter
    It is quite possible to graduate from a good university with no debt, without wealthy parents or loans, and prudent, properly informed people in the USA do it all the time.

    See the book Debt Free U by Zack Bissonnette.

    People take out loans because they are ill informed, impatient, insist on attending a school they can’t afford instead of a good school they can cash flow, want to live in a dorm or apartment rather than at home, want to live in a different State instead of attending far more cheaply in their own State, etc.

    We can easily make the case that many hardworking prudent Americans can’t afford major medical care even with good planning. But that’s not the case with undergraduate university education.
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  101. MarkinLA says:
    @AnonFromTN
    The US school system is doomed, but that is true even without the complications of the race issue. In contrast to all civilized and many uncivilized countries, the US has no national standards in school education. This means two things. First, what kids are taught is decided parochially by local school boards, often full of semi-literate people. Second, as people move quite a lot around the country, a teacher cannot be sure what kids in his/her class already know, so the math in any grade starts with times table. Reasonably smart and educated kids get bored beyond endurance and put off education, whereas uneducated and/or dumb kids never learn. Those that believe in equal opportunity must acknowledge that the best equalizer would be good education at the elementary school level. That requires national standards, otherwise the word “good” has no meaning.

    As it is, half of college education is remedial: students are taught what they should have learned in school, but didn’t. This creates gaping holes in college education, especially considering that only 2% of the US students attend demanding colleges, whereas the majority attends colleges where the ability to read and count to ten brings you an A- or higher. We see the consequences in our graduate school: the first year is again remedial, students are taught what they should have learned in college, but didn’t. Admissions committees have to go by GRE scores (which have zero predictive value; they basically show how much effort a person put into preparing for the GRE tests) and GPA, which also does not mean anything (say, GPA 4.0 in a shithole college reflects worse education than GPA 2.5 is a good college). In fact, the admissions committees (I served on one for 6 years at my University) essentially rely on letters from recommenders and the results of the interview, as we want students that will eventually graduate, rather than fail miserably. This works in natural sciences (sort of), whereas in humanities the ability to spew BS glibly rules. This explains the quality of the humanities in the US.

    The most alarming thing is that nobody in the US even talks about the education any more, as if the problems are solved. Even in the times of Bush Jr (famous for his words that books are good, as there are pictures in them) education was discussed, but nowadays all federal resources are wasted on “defense”. Considering that the US spends on “defense” more than the rest of the world combined, who are we “defending” from, the Martians? The US is still doing not that bad in natural sciences, but it is the result of pure parasitism. When I came to this country in 1991, most PIs and at least half of post-docs were American-born, whereas now at least half of the PIs and 90% of post-docs in good Universities are foreign-born. This source of success is drying out: twenty years ago if you tell your Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, that was a serious threat, but today they go back to China voluntarily in droves. To speed up the process of decline, the Congress allocates to the Pentagon in a month more than it allocates to science in a year. Unlike Pentagon contractors, the NIH and NSF do not generate kickbacks and campaign donations (which would be criminally punishable corruption anywhere in the world, but are perfectly legal in the US), so there is no end in sight for this downward spiral.

    Since this article has been around for well past a decade (regardless of the current date it is just a reprint), you would think that anybody crying about the shortage of American graduate students in the hard sciences would know about it.

    https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-government-universities-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-high-tech-workers

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  102. I shall report back again on efforts to diversify Upper West Side schools in the year 2028.

    Given your age and recent medical history, Derb, I rather doubt it. It gives me no pleasure to say this, as I thoroughly enjoy your writing.

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  103. MarkinLA says:
    @AnonFromTN
    You views (particularly your illusions) deserve several answers.

    One. Yes, some people are genetically dumb, whereas others are potentially smart. This cannot be changed by education. However, both categories can be found among kids with rich and poor parents. The equalizer is needed to give kids with high intellectual abilities from lower income families a chance to develop to their potential. Not doing so robs the society of potential innovators.

    Two. You are right, money has nothing to do with it. You can waste any amount of money and get nothing useful if the system is screwed. I went to school in the Soviet Union, where there was the same curriculum in all schools, so that when the kid came to the 7th grade, the teacher could assume that this kid learned everything taught in the first six grades. This is necessary in any country where people move around. USSR spending per school student was many times lower than in the US, and the results were better. FYI, there was a lot less liberal BS indoctrination in the USSR schools than there is now in the US. Speaking of college, the same thing is true. I got my BS+MS for free in the USSR and I paid >$140,000 for my daughter’s education at Yale in the US some years ago (now this costs ~$250,000). I know from personal experience in science that my education was at least as good.

    Three: cheap labor. Your comment shows that you are not familiar with the area of research in the States at all. I am talking about natural sciences that I know, I have no idea how things are in humanities. Professors’ pay is high regardless of their country of birth. It depends on the amount of extramural money the person brings in, and nothing else. This amount largely depends on how many papers you publish and on the quality of those papers, including the level of journals you publish them in. All scientific journals are international, so there is a global competition unclouded by the country of origin. Professors’ pay is not as high as that of physicians, lawyers, or people in finance, but that’s a different story: when we screw up, we are thrown out, whereas when banksters screw up, the banks are bailed out by the government and banksters get bonuses (2008 financial crisis illustrates this perfectly). Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it. I am teaching graduate students a course that is considered “quantitative” by our graduate program. I know that when you write an equation, the jaws of the American students (college graduates!) hit the floor, whereas Chinese and European students know that equations make your life easier, as they have predictive value. This reflects the quality of college education, and nothing else.

    Four: language. To be successful in science you have to speak and write decent English, as you write papers and grants in English and no other language. I teach 20+ grad student every year since 2003, I had grad students in my lab from various countries, including the US. The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.

    Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it.

    This is the most irrelevant nonsense relating to the problem that I have ever read. Of course money has a lot to do with it. A recent BS graduate can make significantly more than a post-doc – especially if he gets hired by a company like Google or Apple. If he is exceptionally talented, the work he will do there will be more advanced that what he would likely do if he stayed on and went to graduate school resulting in even higher salaries and better opportunities in the profession. It is really rare that a graduate student has such a good idea that he would be better off developing it in graduate school and starting a company when he leaves than just getting a high paying job after he gets his BS.

    A foreign student doesn’t have that option (or at least shouldn’t but we have all sorts of ways of getting around it now). So they go to graduate school if they can’t get an H-1B sponsor or if the professor needs cheap labor for his research and gets him a position so he can keep his dream of getting a visa alive.

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    Let me state this straight: nobody who wants to make as much money as possible ever goes into basic science research, in any country. That may be one of the reasons there are so few Americans in natural sciences: the culture that believes that money is the highest value cannot generate scientists. The reward in science is different: you have to enjoy the process of discovering things nobody knew before. In biology, if you figure out in your short lifetime something that the evolution spent millions of years creating, you feel really smart.

    My point was different, though: in biomedical research foreign post-docs are not cheap labor. Their salaries are fixed at the same level as those of domestic post-docs by the NIH. In fact, American graduate students, who can be placed on training grants, are the only cheap labor that exists in biomedical research.
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  104. @MarkinLA
    Post-docs nowadays get the same mandated salaries depending on their year after PhD, whether they are from Mars or Kansas. So, cheap labor has nothing to do with it.

    This is the most irrelevant nonsense relating to the problem that I have ever read. Of course money has a lot to do with it. A recent BS graduate can make significantly more than a post-doc - especially if he gets hired by a company like Google or Apple. If he is exceptionally talented, the work he will do there will be more advanced that what he would likely do if he stayed on and went to graduate school resulting in even higher salaries and better opportunities in the profession. It is really rare that a graduate student has such a good idea that he would be better off developing it in graduate school and starting a company when he leaves than just getting a high paying job after he gets his BS.

    A foreign student doesn't have that option (or at least shouldn't but we have all sorts of ways of getting around it now). So they go to graduate school if they can't get an H-1B sponsor or if the professor needs cheap labor for his research and gets him a position so he can keep his dream of getting a visa alive.

    Let me state this straight: nobody who wants to make as much money as possible ever goes into basic science research, in any country. That may be one of the reasons there are so few Americans in natural sciences: the culture that believes that money is the highest value cannot generate scientists. The reward in science is different: you have to enjoy the process of discovering things nobody knew before. In biology, if you figure out in your short lifetime something that the evolution spent millions of years creating, you feel really smart.

    My point was different, though: in biomedical research foreign post-docs are not cheap labor. Their salaries are fixed at the same level as those of domestic post-docs by the NIH. In fact, American graduate students, who can be placed on training grants, are the only cheap labor that exists in biomedical research.

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  105. MarkinLA says:

    Let me state this straight: nobody who wants to make as much money as possible ever goes into basic science research, in any country.

    No but a lot of people who do have a math/science aptitude and poor people skills choose to enter college and get degrees in the STEM fields as those fields pay far above anything they will likely make if they don’t go there. There is no real shortage of Americans getting bachelors degrees in STEM. In fact, 1/2 of them don’t even get jobs relating to their degrees when they graduate. So any perceived lack of American participation is due to colleges wanting to enroll foreign students, like has happened at USC and the UC schools.

    The fact that nobody gets paid more than anybody else is irrelevent as far as why Americans are not getting PhDs. They are not getting them because a PhD isn’t worth the loss of income and trouble compared to just getting a BS and looking for a good job in the private sector. Many companies used to have fellowship programs to help their employees continue their work and get graduate degrees, but like in-house training, these things are cut back as companies utilize the flood of cheap foreign workers.

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    My point exactly: if the goal is money, PhD in “hard” natural sciences is not worth it. If the goal is something else, then money is not worth devoting your only life to making it.

    Either way, the price of workforce does not come into it. BTW, companies never do real research: pharmaceutical companies prefer being parasites on the publicly-funded science, getting people trained and discoveries made without them spending a penny. They do “research” in coating the compounds discovered before them. They spend on advertising a lot more than they do even on that low-grade “research”. It is important to remember that pharmaceuticals are in the same business as weapons companies: generating profits. Neither gives a hoot whether people live or die.
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  106. @MarkinLA
    Let me state this straight: nobody who wants to make as much money as possible ever goes into basic science research, in any country.

    No but a lot of people who do have a math/science aptitude and poor people skills choose to enter college and get degrees in the STEM fields as those fields pay far above anything they will likely make if they don't go there. There is no real shortage of Americans getting bachelors degrees in STEM. In fact, 1/2 of them don't even get jobs relating to their degrees when they graduate. So any perceived lack of American participation is due to colleges wanting to enroll foreign students, like has happened at USC and the UC schools.

    The fact that nobody gets paid more than anybody else is irrelevent as far as why Americans are not getting PhDs. They are not getting them because a PhD isn't worth the loss of income and trouble compared to just getting a BS and looking for a good job in the private sector. Many companies used to have fellowship programs to help their employees continue their work and get graduate degrees, but like in-house training, these things are cut back as companies utilize the flood of cheap foreign workers.

    My point exactly: if the goal is money, PhD in “hard” natural sciences is not worth it. If the goal is something else, then money is not worth devoting your only life to making it.

    Either way, the price of workforce does not come into it. BTW, companies never do real research: pharmaceutical companies prefer being parasites on the publicly-funded science, getting people trained and discoveries made without them spending a penny. They do “research” in coating the compounds discovered before them. They spend on advertising a lot more than they do even on that low-grade “research”. It is important to remember that pharmaceuticals are in the same business as weapons companies: generating profits. Neither gives a hoot whether people live or die.

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  107. @Beefcake the Mighty
    The problem isn’t that Derb’s afraid of Jews (who isn’t), the problem is that, by his own admission, he’s a philo-Semite.

    Putin is not afraid of the Jews. Trump in his odd way is not afraid of them. Yes, Derbyshire is a semitophile who is at the same time afraid of the Jews. This is weird because there is nothing they can do to him. He’s old and retired. His problems stem from the Chinese wife and offspring. Also, I think his offspring may be dating some black/Asian/Jewish types. Recall his recent column about black race realists. He mentioned the black WSJ Jason Riley who is married to (((Naomi Schaefer))). He mentioned the black John McWhorter who is married to (((Martha Sparks))). His scribblings are becoming more contradictory and illogical. Always cherchez la femme/le homme/la famille.

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  108. @Ghost
    Assimilation. Chosen by the chosen many decades ago. For a reason.

    The “chosen” don’t assimilate to the Caucasian, Christian world though. They allow blacks/Asians to assimilate to their tribe and still declare themselves the chosen. Amy Chua is married to a Jew and is raising her daughters Jewish. Her daughters believe they are the chosen. Madness!!! It is up to us to remind present day “Jews” that they are not the chosen and not related to the Jews of Jesus’ time. Assimilation in the West still means white.

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    As to ashkenazi Jews, you’re right that they bear little genetic resemblance to Jews in Jesus’s time.

    There is solid evidence that typical AJs are at least 40% European genetically, overwhelmingly Italian (through the maternal line). The maternal line is hardly mideastern/Semitic st all. Only the AJ paternal line is substantially Middle/Near Eastern/Semitic genetically.

    But what about Sephardic Jews today — Wouldn’t they have much more genetic relationship to Jews of jesus’s time, ie Semites?
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  109. Truth says:
    @Yan Shen

    The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.
     
    Hahaha. Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg's numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article, but since one of the mistakes in the original piece was using elicit instead of illicit, it seems like the problem you described certainly exists among the various white nationalist types who are always complaining about blacks or whatever else minority group in this country today...

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-anecdote-for-toxic-blackness-is-toxic-whiteness/#comment-2317790

    Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg’s numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article,

    LOL, you mean the article about how Knee-grows are destroying the US education system?

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    I don't think he thinks they are destroying the education system (how could something so screwed up already be destroyed), only that it is nearly impossible to educate them and thus a huge waste of time trying.
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  110. @AnonFromTN
    I don’t know about the US before 1991. I do know, though, that the last really good president was Nixon. He might have been a nasty person, but he was a great president of the country. All subsequent presidents did more to ruin the US than any of America’s enemies, particularly in the last 25 years.
    I don’t know about math, computing, or engineering, I only had one joint student with a guy in Math Dept. The student was American (he graduated), whereas his mentor is Italian (now a naturalized US citizen). That student had to TA for his tuition.

    I know about biomedical research, mostly funded by the NIH, with smaller contributions from NSF, VA, and DoD (via DARPA). There are certain rules about authorship of our papers, and in most journals you have to specify the contribution of each author. Of course, you can enlist a “big name” author to increase your chances of getting into higher profile journal, but most people don’t do that. Our grad students do not pay or TA for tuition: they are paid stipend (from PI’s grants) and PIs who have them in the lab pay tuition for year two (year one is paid by the University), and some expenses thereafter. For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

    In my experience, quality comes from all over the world. So far my best post-doc (now an Assistant Professor at another University) was Chinese, my best grad student was American (the girl who had a Chinese guy as English Professor), my best tech was a girl from Cameroon. What the lack of minimum requirements in math and sciences in the US educational system does is putting Americans at a disadvantage. As you appear to be a staunch supporter of that, you have only yourself to blame.

    Yes, the expense of education in the USSR was paid by involuntary contributions from all. Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.

    Academics are not perfect, but in terms of corruption, as compared to the government, the science is a paragon of honesty. If the Congress had the same conflict of interest rules as the NIH, many pieces of legislation (including Pentagon budget) would have no one qualified to vote. That would save our country from corrupt to the core politicians and obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. Maybe you are happy with those, I am not.

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.

    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn’t end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon’s paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of “malaise”, in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be “back, back in the USSR! – ‘those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia’s always on my my my my my my my my my mind!” Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don’t know the history, don’t speculate – do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

    Quality, bullcrap. I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can’t understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from – the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

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    Did you spend the last 27 years in a coma? There is no such thing as USSR. Today’s Russia is most similar to the US 100 years ago, with robber barons and the rest of it. Besides, there is no place for serious science there.

    Now, in my book big government is >$700 billion in “defense” spending, more than the rest of the world put together. Big government is bad, but no government (like in today’s Somalia or Libya) is even worse. There are things that the government should never interfere with, like making consumer products, which you buy many times and therefore can choose a different brand when you are unhappy with what you’ve got the last time. That’s where the competition works properly. Now, there are areas where competition does not work, even though interested parties would be telling you that it does. You don’t have heart surgery every week, or even every year; you don’t get college degree many times in your life, etc. So, if you got a dud in any of these cases, it’s your problem, they’ve already pocketed your money and you don’t have a second shot at it. Besides, from the point of view of for-profit business, long-term is next quarter’s profits that drive share prices. There are tasks that require less myopic vision, looking many years ahead, like the highway system or the trip to the Moon. Education also falls into this category, as well as basic science. The agency that can look so far ahead must be non-profit. In most countries it’s the government.

    Now, Nixon got the country out of a hopeless quagmire of Vietnam war, established normal relations with China (the real China, not Taiwan), etc. These were worthy achievements. In contrast, Reagan started arms race that is bankrupting our country today. A lot of Americans are deluded thinking that the USSR disintegrated because the US defeated it in the cold war. Nothing is farther from the truth. That project fell apart under the weight of its own difficulties and controversies. Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.

    Also, if you know history, you should know that Reagan developed Alzheimer’s. As a biologist, I can tell you that brains are like muscles: if you don’t use them, you lose them. If you are into history, you should know that Brezhnev was the big Soviet honcho for more than 20 years, and that he was dumb. In the late Soviet Union we had a joke that Brezhnev shows up at an official function wearing one black and one brown shoe. His advisors tell him: “you have shoes of different colors, maybe you should go home and change”. He replies: “do you think I am an idiot? I’ve already been there, and there is the same problem: one shoe is black, and the other is brown”. I was surprised to learn from Americans that there was the same joke in the US about Reagan.

    You cannot cheat in grad school in biomedical sciences, as to graduate you have to produce work publishable in good journals. No self-respecting mentor would allow fudging the data, as the worst thing that can happen to a scientist is being caught publishing something that’s wrong. That ends your career. As to Indians, my former mentor had an Indian grad student who was a very bright and hard-working girl. So far I had two Indian post-docs, and both were on the dumber side. I guess I won’t try any more, the world is big.
    , @Mishra
    Agreed about Ike; I'll have to read up on Coolidge. He did have the good fortune to take office at an opportune phase of the 'business cycle'. Just as FDR did, in a very different way. From your link: Coolidge, Libertarianism, and Immigration make for an interesting triad, to say the least.
    , @Miro23
    I agree about Calvin Coolidge - He would take my prize as the best US President ever.

    There are some great Coolidge quotes here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/101882.Calvin_Coolidge

    He had this interesting idea that every piece of proposed government legislation had to have the downside fully evaluated before a decision was made. In other words 95% of proposed legislation would be rejected.

    “It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “There is no dignity
    quite so impressive,
    and no independence
    quite so important,
    as living within your means.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     
    He's also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.
    , @Thirdeye

    I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).
     
    The gap between credentials and problem-solving ability, really the core attribute of a good engineer, can be amazing among South Asians. Grinding for exams just doesn't do it.
    , @Anonymous

    Quality, bullcrap. I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).
     
    Sounds like a caste issue. (Avoidance of manual labor.)

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.
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  111. @AnonFromTN
    I don’t know about the US before 1991. I do know, though, that the last really good president was Nixon. He might have been a nasty person, but he was a great president of the country. All subsequent presidents did more to ruin the US than any of America’s enemies, particularly in the last 25 years.
    I don’t know about math, computing, or engineering, I only had one joint student with a guy in Math Dept. The student was American (he graduated), whereas his mentor is Italian (now a naturalized US citizen). That student had to TA for his tuition.

    I know about biomedical research, mostly funded by the NIH, with smaller contributions from NSF, VA, and DoD (via DARPA). There are certain rules about authorship of our papers, and in most journals you have to specify the contribution of each author. Of course, you can enlist a “big name” author to increase your chances of getting into higher profile journal, but most people don’t do that. Our grad students do not pay or TA for tuition: they are paid stipend (from PI’s grants) and PIs who have them in the lab pay tuition for year two (year one is paid by the University), and some expenses thereafter. For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

    In my experience, quality comes from all over the world. So far my best post-doc (now an Assistant Professor at another University) was Chinese, my best grad student was American (the girl who had a Chinese guy as English Professor), my best tech was a girl from Cameroon. What the lack of minimum requirements in math and sciences in the US educational system does is putting Americans at a disadvantage. As you appear to be a staunch supporter of that, you have only yourself to blame.

    Yes, the expense of education in the USSR was paid by involuntary contributions from all. Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.

    Academics are not perfect, but in terms of corruption, as compared to the government, the science is a paragon of honesty. If the Congress had the same conflict of interest rules as the NIH, many pieces of legislation (including Pentagon budget) would have no one qualified to vote. That would save our country from corrupt to the core politicians and obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. Maybe you are happy with those, I am not.

    Yet that system allowed kids from all backgrounds get to the top of their abilities. Today to get through a good (top 10%) University in the US you need either rich parents, or be an athlete. Everybody knows that athlete’s diplomas are worthless fakes.

    I agree with you that the athlete’s diplomas are worthless. It’s pretty stupid, but at least that stuff (the football games, especially) more than pays for itself.

    The University student loan bubble will not last forever. You may want to read discussion of this here, here, here, and here. Oh, and then there’s the Great University Textbook Scam.

    I don’t want your socialism, and I don’t know why you are working in Tennessee vs. having stayed back in the USSR, what with their great educational opportunities and big Central Government that you LUV, LUV, LUV.

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  112. @Anon7
    We don't just educate foreign "brats", we also educate foreign "model students."

    Here's how it works in California. A family in China sends its most promising son to distant relatives in California. As soon as #1 son arrives in Cali, he enrolls in the best nearby high school, which is required by law to accept him and educate him for free (thank you very much, Supremes 1981). The kid then does school work for as many hours per week as are necessary for a 4.0 average and top SAT scores.

    Then, the kid applies to college. California schools are required by law to take the top "state" students. This explains why Cali colleges typically have 2-3 times as many asian students as white students.

    OTOH, this trick has been used so successfully for decades that many of these kids are the children of those kids who snuck in, and so are US citizens.

    So it goes.

    Citizens or dual citizens?

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  113. @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

    Did you spend the last 27 years in a coma? There is no such thing as USSR. Today’s Russia is most similar to the US 100 years ago, with robber barons and the rest of it. Besides, there is no place for serious science there.

    Now, in my book big government is >$700 billion in “defense” spending, more than the rest of the world put together. Big government is bad, but no government (like in today’s Somalia or Libya) is even worse. There are things that the government should never interfere with, like making consumer products, which you buy many times and therefore can choose a different brand when you are unhappy with what you’ve got the last time. That’s where the competition works properly. Now, there are areas where competition does not work, even though interested parties would be telling you that it does. You don’t have heart surgery every week, or even every year; you don’t get college degree many times in your life, etc. So, if you got a dud in any of these cases, it’s your problem, they’ve already pocketed your money and you don’t have a second shot at it. Besides, from the point of view of for-profit business, long-term is next quarter’s profits that drive share prices. There are tasks that require less myopic vision, looking many years ahead, like the highway system or the trip to the Moon. Education also falls into this category, as well as basic science. The agency that can look so far ahead must be non-profit. In most countries it’s the government.

    Now, Nixon got the country out of a hopeless quagmire of Vietnam war, established normal relations with China (the real China, not Taiwan), etc. These were worthy achievements. In contrast, Reagan started arms race that is bankrupting our country today. A lot of Americans are deluded thinking that the USSR disintegrated because the US defeated it in the cold war. Nothing is farther from the truth. That project fell apart under the weight of its own difficulties and controversies. Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.

    Also, if you know history, you should know that Reagan developed Alzheimer’s. As a biologist, I can tell you that brains are like muscles: if you don’t use them, you lose them. If you are into history, you should know that Brezhnev was the big Soviet honcho for more than 20 years, and that he was dumb. In the late Soviet Union we had a joke that Brezhnev shows up at an official function wearing one black and one brown shoe. His advisors tell him: “you have shoes of different colors, maybe you should go home and change”. He replies: “do you think I am an idiot? I’ve already been there, and there is the same problem: one shoe is black, and the other is brown”. I was surprised to learn from Americans that there was the same joke in the US about Reagan.

    You cannot cheat in grad school in biomedical sciences, as to graduate you have to produce work publishable in good journals. No self-respecting mentor would allow fudging the data, as the worst thing that can happen to a scientist is being caught publishing something that’s wrong. That ends your career. As to Indians, my former mentor had an Indian grad student who was a very bright and hard-working girl. So far I had two Indian post-docs, and both were on the dumber side. I guess I won’t try any more, the world is big.

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    Yes, I realize the USSR has been gone for 30 years, and it is Russia now. Your comprehension is not up to American standards yet, as my "back to the USSR" reference was from the Beatles, who sang this way,way back in the middle of the Cold War.

    Ronald Reagan had lots to do with the ending of the Cold War. Of course, the Communist central planning can not hold up forever, but the USSR could afford to put so much into military forces and hardware when the people had squat-all to say about it (kinda like the way it's gotten here, right?) You should read on the Reykjavik conference, in which the "Star Wars" technology (not really close to practical at that time) was used as a bluff to give Gorbachev the idea that the USSR would get bankrupted by another hardware race.

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990's. He was not president at that time. I'm don't know what kind of shape he was in during the latter part of his 2nd term, but the Cold War got taken care of. As far as your contention that he bankrupted us, the borrowing has been building for 50 years - Reagan had a deal with the D's who ran the congress (it spends the money, see) that cuts would be made in social programs to match the build up in military spending to end the Cold War. The Dems reneged, as anyone now might expect. However, just like with the '86 Amnesty deal, Reagan was way too trusting in his countryman in office - he grew up in a different era where people could be trusted more. Yeah, he fucked up in that sense.

    Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.
     
    You are preaching to the choir here, Anon. However, I don't agree with any involvement by Feral government in anything not specified in the US Constitution, as spelled out very clearly in Amendment X. You should have been tested on the document in 1991, speaking of education. At least I know you didn't cheat off the internet. ;-}

    Education in this country was the best, at both grade school level and higher education before the US Gov't was at all involved. You do know that the Dept. of Ed. was created during the Jimmy Carter admin. as a payoff for the teacher's union's support of him in the 1976 election, don't you? Of course not, you weren't here. Before that, some functions, but much more minor were lumped into the old HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare). Now we have the Dept. of Motherland Security that sounds exactly like the kind of thing you guys had 30 years ago and further back.

    I like your Brezhnev joke, but you should be aware that the same Lyin' Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years, and even earlier during the Reagan/Ford competition for R-candidate in 1976 and '80. Please don't get your history off of the Lyin' Press. I was there. I never heard that joke about Reagan, though, just "Ronnie Raygun" slurs, because he didn't want us to unilaterally disarm.
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  114. @AnonFromTN
    Did you spend the last 27 years in a coma? There is no such thing as USSR. Today’s Russia is most similar to the US 100 years ago, with robber barons and the rest of it. Besides, there is no place for serious science there.

    Now, in my book big government is >$700 billion in “defense” spending, more than the rest of the world put together. Big government is bad, but no government (like in today’s Somalia or Libya) is even worse. There are things that the government should never interfere with, like making consumer products, which you buy many times and therefore can choose a different brand when you are unhappy with what you’ve got the last time. That’s where the competition works properly. Now, there are areas where competition does not work, even though interested parties would be telling you that it does. You don’t have heart surgery every week, or even every year; you don’t get college degree many times in your life, etc. So, if you got a dud in any of these cases, it’s your problem, they’ve already pocketed your money and you don’t have a second shot at it. Besides, from the point of view of for-profit business, long-term is next quarter’s profits that drive share prices. There are tasks that require less myopic vision, looking many years ahead, like the highway system or the trip to the Moon. Education also falls into this category, as well as basic science. The agency that can look so far ahead must be non-profit. In most countries it’s the government.

    Now, Nixon got the country out of a hopeless quagmire of Vietnam war, established normal relations with China (the real China, not Taiwan), etc. These were worthy achievements. In contrast, Reagan started arms race that is bankrupting our country today. A lot of Americans are deluded thinking that the USSR disintegrated because the US defeated it in the cold war. Nothing is farther from the truth. That project fell apart under the weight of its own difficulties and controversies. Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.

    Also, if you know history, you should know that Reagan developed Alzheimer’s. As a biologist, I can tell you that brains are like muscles: if you don’t use them, you lose them. If you are into history, you should know that Brezhnev was the big Soviet honcho for more than 20 years, and that he was dumb. In the late Soviet Union we had a joke that Brezhnev shows up at an official function wearing one black and one brown shoe. His advisors tell him: “you have shoes of different colors, maybe you should go home and change”. He replies: “do you think I am an idiot? I’ve already been there, and there is the same problem: one shoe is black, and the other is brown”. I was surprised to learn from Americans that there was the same joke in the US about Reagan.

    You cannot cheat in grad school in biomedical sciences, as to graduate you have to produce work publishable in good journals. No self-respecting mentor would allow fudging the data, as the worst thing that can happen to a scientist is being caught publishing something that’s wrong. That ends your career. As to Indians, my former mentor had an Indian grad student who was a very bright and hard-working girl. So far I had two Indian post-docs, and both were on the dumber side. I guess I won’t try any more, the world is big.

    Yes, I realize the USSR has been gone for 30 years, and it is Russia now. Your comprehension is not up to American standards yet, as my “back to the USSR” reference was from the Beatles, who sang this way,way back in the middle of the Cold War.

    Ronald Reagan had lots to do with the ending of the Cold War. Of course, the Communist central planning can not hold up forever, but the USSR could afford to put so much into military forces and hardware when the people had squat-all to say about it (kinda like the way it’s gotten here, right?) You should read on the Reykjavik conference, in which the “Star Wars” technology (not really close to practical at that time) was used as a bluff to give Gorbachev the idea that the USSR would get bankrupted by another hardware race.

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990′s. He was not president at that time. I’m don’t know what kind of shape he was in during the latter part of his 2nd term, but the Cold War got taken care of. As far as your contention that he bankrupted us, the borrowing has been building for 50 years – Reagan had a deal with the D’s who ran the congress (it spends the money, see) that cuts would be made in social programs to match the build up in military spending to end the Cold War. The Dems reneged, as anyone now might expect. However, just like with the ’86 Amnesty deal, Reagan was way too trusting in his countryman in office – he grew up in a different era where people could be trusted more. Yeah, he fucked up in that sense.

    Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.

    You are preaching to the choir here, Anon. However, I don’t agree with any involvement by Feral government in anything not specified in the US Constitution, as spelled out very clearly in Amendment X. You should have been tested on the document in 1991, speaking of education. At least I know you didn’t cheat off the internet. ;-}

    Education in this country was the best, at both grade school level and higher education before the US Gov’t was at all involved. You do know that the Dept. of Ed. was created during the Jimmy Carter admin. as a payoff for the teacher’s union’s support of him in the 1976 election, don’t you? Of course not, you weren’t here. Before that, some functions, but much more minor were lumped into the old HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare). Now we have the Dept. of Motherland Security that sounds exactly like the kind of thing you guys had 30 years ago and further back.

    I like your Brezhnev joke, but you should be aware that the same Lyin’ Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years, and even earlier during the Reagan/Ford competition for R-candidate in 1976 and ’80. Please don’t get your history off of the Lyin’ Press. I was there. I never heard that joke about Reagan, though, just “Ronnie Raygun” slurs, because he didn’t want us to unilaterally disarm.

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    History discussions are nice and interesting, except that there is no such thing as “if” in history: it went the way it did, and it’s irreversible.

    My key point is, I saw one Empire dying, and I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.
    , @Thirdeye

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990′s.
     
    1992 was when it was publicly disclosed, not the original diagnosis. According to John Stockwell, who as a former CIA officer was trained to watch for health indicators for intel purposes, he had been showing signs of neurological deterioration for years. His meltdown during the first debate with Walter Mondale in 1984 flashed his deterioration in front of the public. His freeze-up in response to the Iran-Contra scandal caused senior officials to discuss invoking the 25th Amendment. His public profile was extremely low his last two years in office.

    ......the same Lyin’ Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years....
     
    The Lyin' Press fawned over Reagan for not being Carter. The kid-glove treatment the Lyin' Press gave Reagan led to his status as the "Teflon President" even after high profile fiascos like the Lebanon mission. But we could still beat Grenada, so it was all good.
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  115. Mishra says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I have never heard of the term "communitarianism" but from your definition, you could just call it freedom. There's a term that I know and can live with.

    You just may be a libertarian, Mrs Green, but I can TOTALLY understand why you want to keep this on the QT. They don't take too kindly to us round these parts.

    For a good while I’ve searched in vain for a place where I can witness arguments pro- and con- wrt libertarianism, considered with a minimum of cant and a maximum of sanity. Maybe even with a little bit of humour permitted now and then. Why can’t this be done on unz.com? Doesn’t Ron himself lean that way? Personally I’ve always done so, and yet, and yet.

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    For a good while I’ve searched in vain for a place where I can witness arguments pro- and con- wrt libertarianism, considered with a minimum of cant and a maximum of sanity.
     
    No bread? No circus?

    No audience.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Mishra, I'm sorry I didn't reply to this post in a timely manner. Ron Unz does have some very diverse views featured, and the Libertarian writers are Dr. Ron Paul, of course, and Judge Andrew Napoliltano for starters. Those 2 guys just don't get so many comments, though, which shows that the readership does not lean libertarian.

    There is Paul Craig Roberts, but that is another manner. I'd read his articles, but sometimes, even with new revelations of the infringements on our liberties every week, his stuff seems repetitive. Aside from that, there is no discussion, as Mr. Roberts did not want any comments on his articles, starting back a year or so ago. I would be very pleased to know I was part of that deal, as I reamed him a coupla' new ones on his stupidity in 2 columns regarding Global Climate Disruption(TM). That's when he got particularly pissed at getting called out for stupidity by his commenters, and decided he didn't want to hear from them. Well, I don't hear from P.C. Roberts either at this point!

    Back to your question, I did used to read Reason on-line, with their "hit-and-run" comment section, but they were a nest of open-borders race-unconcious Libertards. I would suggest some of the patriot sites, but I don't have a favorite one right now. Lew Rockwell still has great articles but no discussion as far as I know.

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  116. Mishra says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

    Agreed about Ike; I’ll have to read up on Coolidge. He did have the good fortune to take office at an opportune phase of the ‘business cycle’. Just as FDR did, in a very different way. From your link: Coolidge, Libertarianism, and Immigration make for an interesting triad, to say the least.

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    Thanks for that link, Mishra, as that was a nice short summary of that bill's contents and passage. I couldn't find any bias even, on there, which is highly irregular.

    As far as the (we) libertarians go, it seems people on unz.com have this real bias against them (us) based on erroneous ideas of all libertarians thinking like the ones that write in Reason magazine. I think that libertarians and conservatives have a few things they need to learn from each other.

    Silent Cal Coolidge sounds like the best President since way back to the 1st half of the 19th century. What was it Archie or Edith Bunker who sang "Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover Calvin Coolidge again ...."? (Gotta love that great silky-smooth Edith Bunker sound too!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I
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  117. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    You are right in one key thing: degrees do not make dumb people smarter, and the lack of a degree does not make smart people dumber. That includes advanced degrees, such as PhD and MD. In my experience in biochemistry and cell biology, fewer that 50% of people getting PhD in biology in the US deserve it. I strongly suspect that in humanities that number is less than 10%.
    The key difference between a true scientist (or a really educated person in any field) is that you can make a clear distinction between things you know and things you don’t. In my experience, people who know nothing about everything tend to think that they know it all. A good example is Bush Jr: dumb, ignorant, and proud of it. This used to be a purely American phenomenon, but current crop of European “leaders” shows that it became pretty widespread in the world.

    And people like us just have to be modest enough and attentive enough to the details of reality to understand and acknowledge how it can be that high IQ hyperactive brains like ours can’t rule much of the world, and what other useful qualities others’ have that we must reluctantly concede should make us feel even humbler :-)

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  118. @Anon
    You seem to have a few more IQ points than Wally so you would see the importance to historical truth of finding ways to check the unfortunately slim evidence as it would have to be in a proper jury trial today. I have in mind starting with records of who and how many were in the Jewish communities of Europe in say 1938 and tracing them through to the corresponding populations (including refugees and their children) in 1948 or a bit after. One could apply the average birth and death rates for say1925 to 1935 to get a base estimate - in addition to tracing individuals - from which one could then infer how many were missing because of WW2 events. Is that what Vad Yashem purports to memorialise? I understand that iit says about 1.3 of the 6 million are unidentified which raises a question about how the 6 million is calculated but hardly casts doubt on the Nazis (particularly Hitler's and Himmler's) genocidal intentions and attempts once it was clear that they couldn't achieve expulsion to Palestine or whatever might have given them a less costly solution to the perceived problem.

    Ah yes, Wally.
    In Nazi Germany the lowest rung of Nazi Party supervision tended to be occupied by the Blockfuehrer who would be in charge of an apartment block or a few houses. They had a reputation for stupidity and petty snooping. They would visit houses on their beat and if something was cooking on the stove, lift the lid to see what it was.
    I think of Wally as the Block Copy Fuehrer – with his block-copied repetitive Holocaust denial rants.

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  119. @Mishra
    Agreed about Ike; I'll have to read up on Coolidge. He did have the good fortune to take office at an opportune phase of the 'business cycle'. Just as FDR did, in a very different way. From your link: Coolidge, Libertarianism, and Immigration make for an interesting triad, to say the least.

    Thanks for that link, Mishra, as that was a nice short summary of that bill’s contents and passage. I couldn’t find any bias even, on there, which is highly irregular.

    As far as the (we) libertarians go, it seems people on unz.com have this real bias against them (us) based on erroneous ideas of all libertarians thinking like the ones that write in Reason magazine. I think that libertarians and conservatives have a few things they need to learn from each other.

    Silent Cal Coolidge sounds like the best President since way back to the 1st half of the 19th century. What was it Archie or Edith Bunker who sang “Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover Calvin Coolidge again ….”? (Gotta love that great silky-smooth Edith Bunker sound too!)

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    The article had me fairly impressed for the same reasons, until I hit this:

    Many in Japan were very offended by the new law, which was a violation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Japanese government protested, but the law remained, resulting in an increase in existing tensions between the two nations. Despite the increased tensions, it appeared that the U.S. Congress had decided that preserving the racial composition of the country was more important than promoting good ties with Japan.
     
    So our State Department is saying that our (racist!) desire to control immigration is to blame for World War II, but of course, only the part of WW2 which is not explained by Naziness.

    Overstated? Perhaps; perhaps not. But hard not to see The Agenda here. The European Theatre is explained by our (somewhat virtuous) desire to Fight Racism; the Pacific Theatre is explained by our (not quite so virtuous) Racism against Asian POCs. Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany.

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  120. Z-man says:
    @attilathehen
    What I'm saying is that Derbyshire is demented. He writes these bizarre columns where he worries about the West. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. He imported a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He imported and procreated a fifth column in the USA. Derbyshire has written that Asians are superior to whites. He worries about blacks/Hispanics being sent to these Upper West Side schools? His Chinese offspring are barely average in intelligence. Madness!!! He is afraid of Jews. I suppose this is why he ignores the high intermarriage rates of Jews with blacks/Asians. However, as these Jews marry blacks/Asians the little IQ they have will go even lower. And, yet, we are to believe that Jews are the smartest tribe ever. I blame this belief mostly on the evil Zioevangizers. This is why I point out their high intermarriage rates to make people understand that Jews are not part of the West. They are an Afro-Asiatic race with a little European blood. They cannot be a part of the West in anyway. The Ashkenazi Jew is disappearing. Marc Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman. They belong in Israel.

    Thanks for the reply.

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  121. Tiny Duck says:

    Huzzah to the principal in this video. Shaming the white parents whose kids are already advantaged freaking out that black kids might come to their school.

    One good thing is that white women are giving birth to Children of Color so hopefully white people wont exist one day

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    By the same token, people of color won’t exist one day. Have you thought of that?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes, Mister Burns, “HUZZAH for the shopkeep!”

    Tool.
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  122. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, I realize the USSR has been gone for 30 years, and it is Russia now. Your comprehension is not up to American standards yet, as my "back to the USSR" reference was from the Beatles, who sang this way,way back in the middle of the Cold War.

    Ronald Reagan had lots to do with the ending of the Cold War. Of course, the Communist central planning can not hold up forever, but the USSR could afford to put so much into military forces and hardware when the people had squat-all to say about it (kinda like the way it's gotten here, right?) You should read on the Reykjavik conference, in which the "Star Wars" technology (not really close to practical at that time) was used as a bluff to give Gorbachev the idea that the USSR would get bankrupted by another hardware race.

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990's. He was not president at that time. I'm don't know what kind of shape he was in during the latter part of his 2nd term, but the Cold War got taken care of. As far as your contention that he bankrupted us, the borrowing has been building for 50 years - Reagan had a deal with the D's who ran the congress (it spends the money, see) that cuts would be made in social programs to match the build up in military spending to end the Cold War. The Dems reneged, as anyone now might expect. However, just like with the '86 Amnesty deal, Reagan was way too trusting in his countryman in office - he grew up in a different era where people could be trusted more. Yeah, he fucked up in that sense.

    Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.
     
    You are preaching to the choir here, Anon. However, I don't agree with any involvement by Feral government in anything not specified in the US Constitution, as spelled out very clearly in Amendment X. You should have been tested on the document in 1991, speaking of education. At least I know you didn't cheat off the internet. ;-}

    Education in this country was the best, at both grade school level and higher education before the US Gov't was at all involved. You do know that the Dept. of Ed. was created during the Jimmy Carter admin. as a payoff for the teacher's union's support of him in the 1976 election, don't you? Of course not, you weren't here. Before that, some functions, but much more minor were lumped into the old HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare). Now we have the Dept. of Motherland Security that sounds exactly like the kind of thing you guys had 30 years ago and further back.

    I like your Brezhnev joke, but you should be aware that the same Lyin' Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years, and even earlier during the Reagan/Ford competition for R-candidate in 1976 and '80. Please don't get your history off of the Lyin' Press. I was there. I never heard that joke about Reagan, though, just "Ronnie Raygun" slurs, because he didn't want us to unilaterally disarm.

    History discussions are nice and interesting, except that there is no such thing as “if” in history: it went the way it did, and it’s irreversible.

    My key point is, I saw one Empire dying, and I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.

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    ... there is no such thing as “if” in history
     
    My point is, don't go disrespecting the President that (with LOTS of help) ended the Cold War, enabling your ass to get out of there! There's your "if", buddy.

    I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.
     
    Oh, I agree completely here. I didn't want to see ANY EMPIRE AT ALL (see Pat Buchanan on this).

    That's not my argument. YOU want to push for MORE government involvement in another big part of people's lives that they've already be screwing up for 40 years. This type of insanity is not healthy, for any of us. You can take the Commie out of the Communist country, but ....

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  123. @Tiny Duck
    Huzzah to the principal in this video. Shaming the white parents whose kids are already advantaged freaking out that black kids might come to their school.

    One good thing is that white women are giving birth to Children of Color so hopefully white people wont exist one day

    By the same token, people of color won’t exist one day. Have you thought of that?

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  124. @AnonFromTN
    History discussions are nice and interesting, except that there is no such thing as “if” in history: it went the way it did, and it’s irreversible.

    My key point is, I saw one Empire dying, and I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.

    … there is no such thing as “if” in history

    My point is, don’t go disrespecting the President that (with LOTS of help) ended the Cold War, enabling your ass to get out of there! There’s your “if”, buddy.

    I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.

    Oh, I agree completely here. I didn’t want to see ANY EMPIRE AT ALL (see Pat Buchanan on this).

    That’s not my argument. YOU want to push for MORE government involvement in another big part of people’s lives that they’ve already be screwing up for 40 years. This type of insanity is not healthy, for any of us. You can take the Commie out of the Communist country, but ….

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    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. Many of them are even older than me, so they apparently went to school and college when, according to you, everything was “great”. Logically, it follows that the education I got in the USSR was equally great or better. End of story.
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  125. @Mishra
    For a good while I've searched in vain for a place where I can witness arguments pro- and con- wrt libertarianism, considered with a minimum of cant and a maximum of sanity. Maybe even with a little bit of humour permitted now and then. Why can't this be done on unz.com? Doesn't Ron himself lean that way? Personally I've always done so, and yet, and yet.

    For a good while I’ve searched in vain for a place where I can witness arguments pro- and con- wrt libertarianism, considered with a minimum of cant and a maximum of sanity.

    No bread? No circus?

    No audience.

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  126. @jilles dykstra
    The problem is simple, good education increases social differences.
    In all western countries politicians did not want this, in the Netherlands it began around 1960.
    The result, an academic degree of today is equivalent to a gymnasium education of 1960.
    It has been argued here that USA military technology is far behind Russia and China, if so, this may be the result.
    Another result, in my opinion, stupid politicians.
    Thilo Sarrazin, 'Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen', München 2010
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London

    Neither Russia or China’s military technology exceeds ours. China is still trying to steal ours, and Russia is pathetically behind us. The super weapons Putin announced don’t exist.

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    You forgot to mention that the Earth is flat. The Book says so, that should be enough for you.
    , @Thirdeye
    Yes, I'm sure the Russians envy our ability to get 22 on-target strikes out of 103 launches like the last time in Syria.
    , @MacNucc11
    If Russian weapons are not up to the capability of ours then Putin is playing the MIC like a violin. They still want to spend us into oblivion to "keep up" with the Russians, whether it is true or not.
    You may in fact be right. But all he needs to do is play along a bit and next thing you know we are totally broke. He realizes the criminals in charge of robbing the American people love a major threat.
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  127. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linda Green
    Not sure what to make of that, but if you believe this shows that Mexicans are dumber than Negros, the tests are off. Not to mention standardized testing is bullshit. How well students do on these tests is based on how much they are coached as to how to do well on these tests. In some areas they focus on these standardized tests to a ridiculous degree. When education is "inclusive" and "marxist" and full of bull who gives a rats ass what the "test scores" are. Some public schools have their whole education based on what these test scores are. It is insanity.

    I know you will counter with the fact these are science test scores but I still call bull. Do you know to what degree some state education systems focus on these tests as the bar and work backwards from that to help all pass the bar? They probably don't do that in Mexico, and hence you bean counters are flummoxed by these results. Yet the mexicans make their way over and do just fine in the trades.

    The democrat party is solely responsible for leftist and marxist type Mexicans, it is not in their DNA to act like that without some political figure approaching them and subverting them to those beliefs.

    Further, I speculate that the media projection of their being masses of leftist non working mexicans clamoring for a big government to support them are wildly out of line with reality.

    Do you even know what the PISA test is? Nobody studies for those exams. There is no study material out there, and no PISA test prep. It is not administered by the US, does not affect graduation or college application, a test of zero consequence other than for PISA to compile their reports. Usually 1 school is randomly selected out of a large district to participate, the test takes a few hours and that’s that.

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  128. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... there is no such thing as “if” in history
     
    My point is, don't go disrespecting the President that (with LOTS of help) ended the Cold War, enabling your ass to get out of there! There's your "if", buddy.

    I don’t want to see another Empire following suit. Unfortunately, unless the US stops playing the Empire and feeding obscenely greedy eternally ravenous Pentagon contractors, this seems inevitable. A pity.
     
    Oh, I agree completely here. I didn't want to see ANY EMPIRE AT ALL (see Pat Buchanan on this).

    That's not my argument. YOU want to push for MORE government involvement in another big part of people's lives that they've already be screwing up for 40 years. This type of insanity is not healthy, for any of us. You can take the Commie out of the Communist country, but ....

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. Many of them are even older than me, so they apparently went to school and college when, according to you, everything was “great”. Logically, it follows that the education I got in the USSR was equally great or better. End of story.

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    As an engineer, I believe in experiments whose data won't just be used to churn out papers. Stuff's gotta work. Scientists, especially in the soft-sciences like yours, put out their share of hot air - just look at the entire Global Climate Stupidity(TM) business, if you want to see hot air (supposedly there's a lot more coming our way!)

    You'd better get back to work, or you may cease to be the smartest guy around anymore. As for your educational history, your logic has escaped me like a parcel of CO2 and CH4 - ridden emissions out of the ass-end of a Russian bear.

    , @res

    In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
     
    That is a very strong assertion. First, as an academic I assume you interact with others in environments where if those people exist you should encounter them (e.g. conferences with the best in your field). If that is the case, then I would be interested in getting a sense of how you define "better education."
    , @Rurik

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. [hot--------------- air] End of story.
     
    as a scientist, your imperious proclamation based on empirical 'evidence', hardly qualifies as scientific.

    I'm not suggesting your conclusion is necessarily erroneous, but just that as a scientist, your method sucks.

    Especially the "End of story" part, which, as has been pointed out, sounds a lot like our climate "scientists" = (agenda-driven whore$)

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  129. @Quartermaster
    Neither Russia or China's military technology exceeds ours. China is still trying to steal ours, and Russia is pathetically behind us. The super weapons Putin announced don't exist.

    You forgot to mention that the Earth is flat. The Book says so, that should be enough for you.

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    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Rise of Flat-Earthers Is Result of Failed Educational System and free speech

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/

    Defense of 'Flat-Earthism' is straight forward and easy:

    1) Round Earthers told you one can't see the hull of distant ships or bottom parts of terrestrial objects ---As a person with considerable experience with telescopes, I can tell you ground upswelling of air and moisture just obstruct or confuse your line of sight view.

    2)Round earth from space---Its simple, Yahweh wraps time space continuum to give the illusion of round earth.

    3)Flat earth can't extent indefinitely since going in one direction will eventually go back to the starting point, so the Earth must be a cube or polyhedron.People don't fall off from clift of cubic Earth--- A cubic earth is a round earth with higher(negative) power terms in the G-force expansion series. A cubic Earth still attracts much like a round earth. Again Yahweh blurr human vision and tilting sensation near the edges.
    ......................
    Yes, I read almost all the non-math 1st yr science majors in USSR learned calculus the 'epsilon-delta' hard way.

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  130. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.
     
    Hahaha. Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg's numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article, but since one of the mistakes in the original piece was using elicit instead of illicit, it seems like the problem you described certainly exists among the various white nationalist types who are always complaining about blacks or whatever else minority group in this country today...

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-anecdote-for-toxic-blackness-is-toxic-whiteness/#comment-2317790

    Picking on spelling and grammar is for the small minded. It’s the reason why libtards are always the ones who miss the forest for the trees.

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    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.
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  131. Americano says:

    LOL!!! John Derbyshire is working really hard to convince Unz Review readers that his “China Family” are to be accepted as Whites. Conflating Europeans with Asians in not just sinful, it is a perversion.

    Note: Asians constitute 60% (4.5 Billion) of all so-called Humans on this earth. The overwhelming majority of these people live like animals. Only a degenerate fool would associate the China people with White people.

    Ice people??? Most of those people on the Upper West Side are Jews–that is, mixed-race, non-European people.

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    Good points about the Asians in the world. He writes these articles because he hopes after he's gone his Chinese family will be ok in the West. What irritates me the most is the ungratefulness of his Chinese woman and Chinese offspring. He plucked the Chinese woman out of a rice paddy and who knows what else of a totalitarian system. As I stated, if she were to give a speech at AmRen thanking the West for all her opportunities and that her offspring were also grateful, I might feel differently. But no, Derbyshire actually wrote that Asians are superior to whites!!! Yellow fever degeneracy and madness!!! There's a youtuber, Black Pigeon speaks, who is a cuck Canadian male who fled Canada because of Justin Trudeau's immigration policies. This cuck lives in Japan with an Asian woman. I happened to see this youtube today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et-pIHUUai0 He states that Asians are inferior to Westerners. Another yellow fever degenerate. This is why I stated that we must first define what the West is not. It is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. (((Stefan Molyneux))) - yes, he's Jewish. His mother was a German Jewess. I listen to some of his podcasts to keep up with his degeneracy. He'll babble about the West, it's values and so. Yet, in other podcasts when he talks about IQ his top three list of smartest people are always Ashkenazi Jews, Northeast Asians, and Nigerians. Nothing Western about these three groups. He exposes his Jewishness. His libertarian nonsense is just that. Libertaianism is another Jewish construct. I am only for the West. We know who cannot be part of the West.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Ashkenazi jews are typically at least 40% white European genetically.

    See Genetic Literacy Project article by Jon Entine about the OVERWHELMINGLY Italian genetic background of the average so-called Ashkenazi Jew studied.

    But yes, they are usually mixed-race, White European and Middle Eastern/Semitic. Often about half each.
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  132. @anon
    Picking on spelling and grammar is for the small minded. It's the reason why libtards are always the ones who miss the forest for the trees.

    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.

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    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.
     
    Worthless? You mean, like most opinions? ;-)

    Spelling, I can forgive. Mangled grammar, or perhaps, an inability to use grammar to properly convey meaning, sequence, relevance, etc., is indicative of mental dysfunction.

    There was a fellow who posted here -- don't remember his handle -- whose grammar was confused, consistently so. English was not his native language, so many tended to attribute the grammatical failures to the 'second language' problem. His first language was Portuguese. I speak Portuguese fairly well. His grammar was wrong for Portuguese as much as for English. Being the warped personality I am, it amused me.
    , @MarkinLA
    No sometimes it just coincides with the level of importance of these comments. Why should I rewrite something 10 times like I used to do for graduate school papers when all I am doing is spewing my opinion that nobody cares about and I only want to waste 2 minutes on?
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  133. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Mafia got Omerta.

    Schools got Acadomerta.

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  134. @AnonFromTN
    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. Many of them are even older than me, so they apparently went to school and college when, according to you, everything was “great”. Logically, it follows that the education I got in the USSR was equally great or better. End of story.

    As an engineer, I believe in experiments whose data won’t just be used to churn out papers. Stuff’s gotta work. Scientists, especially in the soft-sciences like yours, put out their share of hot air – just look at the entire Global Climate Stupidity(TM) business, if you want to see hot air (supposedly there’s a lot more coming our way!)

    You’d better get back to work, or you may cease to be the smartest guy around anymore. As for your educational history, your logic has escaped me like a parcel of CO2 and CH4 – ridden emissions out of the ass-end of a Russian bear.

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  135. @AnonFromTN
    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.

    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.

    Worthless? You mean, like most opinions? ;-)

    Spelling, I can forgive. Mangled grammar, or perhaps, an inability to use grammar to properly convey meaning, sequence, relevance, etc., is indicative of mental dysfunction.

    There was a fellow who posted here — don’t remember his handle — whose grammar was confused, consistently so. English was not his native language, so many tended to attribute the grammatical failures to the ‘second language’ problem. His first language was Portuguese. I speak Portuguese fairly well. His grammar was wrong for Portuguese as much as for English. Being the warped personality I am, it amused me.

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    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly, if you don’t, you spell like Bush Jr. Grammar reflects both reading and writing: if you write a lot of stuff that others read (and critique), you can’t help writing grammatical sentences. In my experience, people who skillfully use one language can become fluent in others, whereas those who get by with 200 words in their mother tongue cannot.
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  136. @Mishra
    For a good while I've searched in vain for a place where I can witness arguments pro- and con- wrt libertarianism, considered with a minimum of cant and a maximum of sanity. Maybe even with a little bit of humour permitted now and then. Why can't this be done on unz.com? Doesn't Ron himself lean that way? Personally I've always done so, and yet, and yet.

    Mishra, I’m sorry I didn’t reply to this post in a timely manner. Ron Unz does have some very diverse views featured, and the Libertarian writers are Dr. Ron Paul, of course, and Judge Andrew Napoliltano for starters. Those 2 guys just don’t get so many comments, though, which shows that the readership does not lean libertarian.

    There is Paul Craig Roberts, but that is another manner. I’d read his articles, but sometimes, even with new revelations of the infringements on our liberties every week, his stuff seems repetitive. Aside from that, there is no discussion, as Mr. Roberts did not want any comments on his articles, starting back a year or so ago. I would be very pleased to know I was part of that deal, as I reamed him a coupla’ new ones on his stupidity in 2 columns regarding Global Climate Disruption(TM). That’s when he got particularly pissed at getting called out for stupidity by his commenters, and decided he didn’t want to hear from them. Well, I don’t hear from P.C. Roberts either at this point!

    Back to your question, I did used to read Reason on-line, with their “hit-and-run” comment section, but they were a nest of open-borders race-unconcious Libertards. I would suggest some of the patriot sites, but I don’t have a favorite one right now. Lew Rockwell still has great articles but no discussion as far as I know.

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    No apology necessary at all--I don't spend that much time here either. I've looked in at Reason now and then, and appreciate some of what they have to say, but for similar reasons just don't keep going back. I didn't know that about PCR wrt comments. Interesting. Andrew Napoliltano is a name I recognize but I'm not sure I've read him. Will now--thanks.
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  137. res says:
    @AnonFromTN
    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. Many of them are even older than me, so they apparently went to school and college when, according to you, everything was “great”. Logically, it follows that the education I got in the USSR was equally great or better. End of story.

    In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.

    That is a very strong assertion. First, as an academic I assume you interact with others in environments where if those people exist you should encounter them (e.g. conferences with the best in your field). If that is the case, then I would be interested in getting a sense of how you define “better education.”

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    Yes, I mingle mostly with scientists, from grad students up.
    I define education two ways:
    1. Narrow: knowing and understanding things in the field you work in.
    2. Wide: knowing and understanding things totally unrelated to your field that constitute human culture, like, being able to find Zambia on the map (and knowing that there is Gambia and Zambia, but there is no Nambia); having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc; knowing something about social sciences (if you work in natural sciences) or knowing something in physics, chemistry, math, and biology (if you work in social sciences), etc.
    Education does not necessarily mean creativity, but creativity requires education (or you’ll end up inventing the wheel).
    , @Anonymous
    Well progressives have done a real number on the schools over the last few decades. How many kids nowadays know the multiplication tables or basic rules of grammar?
    , @Mishra

    That is a very strong assertion.
     
    Strong is a very nice word for it. I just wish I hadn't read it.
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  138. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN
    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. Many of them are even older than me, so they apparently went to school and college when, according to you, everything was “great”. Logically, it follows that the education I got in the USSR was equally great or better. End of story.

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. [hot--------------- air] End of story.

    as a scientist, your imperious proclamation based on empirical ‘evidence’, hardly qualifies as scientific.

    I’m not suggesting your conclusion is necessarily erroneous, but just that as a scientist, your method sucks.

    Especially the “End of story” part, which, as has been pointed out, sounds a lot like our climate “scientists” = (agenda-driven whore$)

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    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent. That tells me a lot about you. Nothing surprising, though: over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.
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  139. @res

    In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
     
    That is a very strong assertion. First, as an academic I assume you interact with others in environments where if those people exist you should encounter them (e.g. conferences with the best in your field). If that is the case, then I would be interested in getting a sense of how you define "better education."

    Yes, I mingle mostly with scientists, from grad students up.
    I define education two ways:
    1. Narrow: knowing and understanding things in the field you work in.
    2. Wide: knowing and understanding things totally unrelated to your field that constitute human culture, like, being able to find Zambia on the map (and knowing that there is Gambia and Zambia, but there is no Nambia); having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc; knowing something about social sciences (if you work in natural sciences) or knowing something in physics, chemistry, math, and biology (if you work in social sciences), etc.
    Education does not necessarily mean creativity, but creativity requires education (or you’ll end up inventing the wheel).

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    having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc;
     
    I am very confident that "education" may eschew all of the above, and still be quite adequate to task. Because that is the sole requirement for "education" -- that it be adequate to the task.
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  140. @manorchurch

    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.
     
    Worthless? You mean, like most opinions? ;-)

    Spelling, I can forgive. Mangled grammar, or perhaps, an inability to use grammar to properly convey meaning, sequence, relevance, etc., is indicative of mental dysfunction.

    There was a fellow who posted here -- don't remember his handle -- whose grammar was confused, consistently so. English was not his native language, so many tended to attribute the grammatical failures to the 'second language' problem. His first language was Portuguese. I speak Portuguese fairly well. His grammar was wrong for Portuguese as much as for English. Being the warped personality I am, it amused me.

    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly, if you don’t, you spell like Bush Jr. Grammar reflects both reading and writing: if you write a lot of stuff that others read (and critique), you can’t help writing grammatical sentences. In my experience, people who skillfully use one language can become fluent in others, whereas those who get by with 200 words in their mother tongue cannot.

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    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly
     
    Sometimes, not all the time. Some intelligent people cannot spell, and cannot learn to spell by reading. Yes, I know this for certain.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Especially when the 200 words include “f—-“ and “s—-“ in heavy rotation.
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  141. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
     
    That is a very strong assertion. First, as an academic I assume you interact with others in environments where if those people exist you should encounter them (e.g. conferences with the best in your field). If that is the case, then I would be interested in getting a sense of how you define "better education."

    Well progressives have done a real number on the schools over the last few decades. How many kids nowadays know the multiplication tables or basic rules of grammar?

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  142. Lin says:
    @AnonFromTN
    You forgot to mention that the Earth is flat. The Book says so, that should be enough for you.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Rise of Flat-Earthers Is Result of Failed Educational System and free speech

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/

    Defense of ‘Flat-Earthism’ is straight forward and easy:

    1) Round Earthers told you one can’t see the hull of distant ships or bottom parts of terrestrial objects —As a person with considerable experience with telescopes, I can tell you ground upswelling of air and moisture just obstruct or confuse your line of sight view.

    2)Round earth from space—Its simple, Yahweh wraps time space continuum to give the illusion of round earth.

    3)Flat earth can’t extent indefinitely since going in one direction will eventually go back to the starting point, so the Earth must be a cube or polyhedron.People don’t fall off from clift of cubic Earth— A cubic earth is a round earth with higher(negative) power terms in the G-force expansion series. A cubic Earth still attracts much like a round earth. Again Yahweh blurr human vision and tilting sensation near the edges.
    ………………….
    Yes, I read almost all the non-math 1st yr science majors in USSR learned calculus the ‘epsilon-delta’ hard way.

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    Now guess what country has the highest proportion of flat Earth believers? Then report you guess (you can also support it by hard data) to one “Achmed E. Newman” (even though if he is “Achmed”, I’m the Emperor of the East).
    , @Anonymous

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/
     
    I don't know what the point is of this article. If the purpose is to show that black physicists are just as smart as white physicists, then having one tackle flat-eartherism is not the way to do it. If Tyson were smarter he would refuse to engage with this issue at all, not even to refute it.
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  143. Miro23 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

    I agree about Calvin Coolidge – He would take my prize as the best US President ever.

    There are some great Coolidge quotes here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/101882.Calvin_Coolidge

    He had this interesting idea that every piece of proposed government legislation had to have the downside fully evaluated before a decision was made. In other words 95% of proposed legislation would be rejected.

    “It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge

    “There is no dignity
    quite so impressive,
    and no independence
    quite so important,
    as living within your means.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge

    “Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge

    He’s also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.

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    I'd read the 1st one, but I like the 2nd one the best. Thanks.

    He’s also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.
     
    Yes! Speaking of signs, as I wrote here regarding local politics, I have a hard-core cntrl-left neighbor who is very helpful for reminding me of local elections. Whatever yard sign she puts up reminds me to check which Tuesday to come out and vote for anyone running against the name on that sign! This saves me hours, OK, minutes, of on-line poring over information about our local fools.
    , @Rurik

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”

    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    "the virtue of man" ?

    if that existed, laws wouldn't be necessary.

    As for religious convictions being the fount of peace, justice and charity, let us not delude ourselves as to the motivations behind the Eternal Wars, all being waged on behalf of some psychotic Biblical deity with the rapturous blessings of tens of millions of Christian Zionists.

    Who, if not Christians like Mike Pence, are demanding America operate a torture facility? In violation of every tenet of human decency and honor, not to mention the quintessential American character of our grandfathers. The America I grew up in, considered torture a grotesque evil of the long repudiated savage dark ages. Now 'they' (it's not we anymore ; ), operate a torture camp openly, and in stark mockery of the values that I grew up with.

    Here is America's premiere Christian pontificating on torture as an American value:


    "Let me say emphatically, ‘Mr. President, public safety comes before public relations.'

    "The American people don't want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us more popular, they want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us safer."
     

    https://votesmart.org/public-statement/439229/pence-on-guantanamo-bay-mr-president-public-safety-comes-before-public-relations#.WvGvwJWG_cs

    he seems to be saying that mouse-like, pusillanimous cowardice is all the justification America needs to torture men we're afraid of.

    Perhaps the Christians of Coolidge's era were built of a better mettle. I suspect so.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn't true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ's era blush.

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  144. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jake
    I assume you are ignorant of the what Quakers have done for 200 years + and what Unitarian-Universalists have done first as two groups and then as one, and what Social Gospel Episcopalians and Methodists and later Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed have done, what non-Southern Baptists have done since at least the mid-1800s, what the Congregationalists and the United Church of Christ have done, what the Rockefeller family has done.

    Jews did not start the problem. Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic liberal Christians/heretics did.And now everybody is on the bandwagon, because that is what America's Elites demand, what the UK Elites demand, the German Elites, etc.

    Jews did not start the problem. Anglo-Saxon and Continental Germanic liberal Christians/heretics did.

    The problem is that conservatives do exactly what liberals do – they ignore anything that doesn’t fit their Narrative. The idea that Christianity (especially the Protestant heresy) may be the Achilles Heel of western civilisation does not fit the right-wing narrative. It’s a message conservatives don’t want to hear.

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  145. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:

    Dumbing down the schools is one of the downsides of democracy. Telling half the electorate that their children are below average and don’t deserve academic prizes is not smart politics. Telling them that all children are gifted and promising to “fix the schools” (i.e. put pressure on teachers to stop flunking bad students) is smart politics. In this area (as in many others) democracy rewards political dishonesty and punishes politicians who tell the public hard truths.

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  146. @Rurik

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine. [hot--------------- air] End of story.
     
    as a scientist, your imperious proclamation based on empirical 'evidence', hardly qualifies as scientific.

    I'm not suggesting your conclusion is necessarily erroneous, but just that as a scientist, your method sucks.

    Especially the "End of story" part, which, as has been pointed out, sounds a lot like our climate "scientists" = (agenda-driven whore$)

    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent. That tells me a lot about you. Nothing surprising, though: over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.

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    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent
     
    just true

    That tells me a lot about you.
     
    >>gasp!<<

    over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.
     
    Among them; noblesse oblige, cultivation, humility, grace, discernment, wisdom, tact, prudence, acumen, sagacity.. etcetera.. etcetera....

    None of which was on display with your haughty and dismissive edict that

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
    ... ...
    End of story.
     
    you say you believe in experiments, and then demonstrate the 'evidence' of your claim with anecdotal 'proof'. Which is decidedly unscientific.

    I'm not trying to flame you my friend, I've read many of your comments with interest and I'm glad this site (and those who read it) has the benefit of your unique perspective. I'd like to continue to enjoy reading your contributions. I just think that you were a little condescending in your 'tone', that's all.

    What you say about the education you received in the Soviet Union might even be true, vis-a-vis a typical Western education, (especially today).

    If for no other reason than to demonstrate that to the rest of us here, I plan on reading your future posts with interest. As I've said, you've made some worthwhile points already.

    Cheers
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  147. @Americano
    LOL!!! John Derbyshire is working really hard to convince Unz Review readers that his "China Family" are to be accepted as Whites. Conflating Europeans with Asians in not just sinful, it is a perversion.

    Note: Asians constitute 60% (4.5 Billion) of all so-called Humans on this earth. The overwhelming majority of these people live like animals. Only a degenerate fool would associate the China people with White people.

    Ice people??? Most of those people on the Upper West Side are Jews--that is, mixed-race, non-European people.

    Good points about the Asians in the world. He writes these articles because he hopes after he’s gone his Chinese family will be ok in the West. What irritates me the most is the ungratefulness of his Chinese woman and Chinese offspring. He plucked the Chinese woman out of a rice paddy and who knows what else of a totalitarian system. As I stated, if she were to give a speech at AmRen thanking the West for all her opportunities and that her offspring were also grateful, I might feel differently. But no, Derbyshire actually wrote that Asians are superior to whites!!! Yellow fever degeneracy and madness!!! There’s a youtuber, Black Pigeon speaks, who is a cuck Canadian male who fled Canada because of Justin Trudeau’s immigration policies. This cuck lives in Japan with an Asian woman. I happened to see this youtube today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et-pIHUUai0 He states that Asians are inferior to Westerners. Another yellow fever degenerate. This is why I stated that we must first define what the West is not. It is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. (((Stefan Molyneux))) – yes, he’s Jewish. His mother was a German Jewess. I listen to some of his podcasts to keep up with his degeneracy. He’ll babble about the West, it’s values and so. Yet, in other podcasts when he talks about IQ his top three list of smartest people are always Ashkenazi Jews, Northeast Asians, and Nigerians. Nothing Western about these three groups. He exposes his Jewishness. His libertarian nonsense is just that. Libertaianism is another Jewish construct. I am only for the West. We know who cannot be part of the West.

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  148. @Lin
    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Rise of Flat-Earthers Is Result of Failed Educational System and free speech

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/

    Defense of 'Flat-Earthism' is straight forward and easy:

    1) Round Earthers told you one can't see the hull of distant ships or bottom parts of terrestrial objects ---As a person with considerable experience with telescopes, I can tell you ground upswelling of air and moisture just obstruct or confuse your line of sight view.

    2)Round earth from space---Its simple, Yahweh wraps time space continuum to give the illusion of round earth.

    3)Flat earth can't extent indefinitely since going in one direction will eventually go back to the starting point, so the Earth must be a cube or polyhedron.People don't fall off from clift of cubic Earth--- A cubic earth is a round earth with higher(negative) power terms in the G-force expansion series. A cubic Earth still attracts much like a round earth. Again Yahweh blurr human vision and tilting sensation near the edges.
    ......................
    Yes, I read almost all the non-math 1st yr science majors in USSR learned calculus the 'epsilon-delta' hard way.

    Now guess what country has the highest proportion of flat Earth believers? Then report you guess (you can also support it by hard data) to one “Achmed E. Newman” (even though if he is “Achmed”, I’m the Emperor of the East).

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    You know what, Russian living in Tennessee, I don't really care how many people do believe in a flat earth, or that Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and 10 other Americans never set foot on the moon (shades of Truth here). What's important is that parents, who almost all care about their offspring, contrary to the assumptions of your socialism, can pick and RUN schools as they see fit. In a free market in education, the grown-ups who still believe in a flat earth won't bother anyone, as they won't end up scientists or engineers, or worse yet, working in government.

    You are correct, sir that "Achmed E. Newman" is not my real given name (but I could go to the courthouse tomorrow and change that!). Maybe you shouldn't be using the handle "AnonFromTN", as it makes people think you are from Tennessee. You are from Russia, which is why you should quit trying to write about history (from your broad, broad education) when after I went through some history to prove you wrong, you come up with "there are no 'ifs'".

    If you were really well educated, you would know that you have a lot to learn and don't know it all. Yeah, just keep this up - you are on the road to YanShendom. You don't come back from YanShendom.
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  149. @AnonFromTN
    Yes, I mingle mostly with scientists, from grad students up.
    I define education two ways:
    1. Narrow: knowing and understanding things in the field you work in.
    2. Wide: knowing and understanding things totally unrelated to your field that constitute human culture, like, being able to find Zambia on the map (and knowing that there is Gambia and Zambia, but there is no Nambia); having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc; knowing something about social sciences (if you work in natural sciences) or knowing something in physics, chemistry, math, and biology (if you work in social sciences), etc.
    Education does not necessarily mean creativity, but creativity requires education (or you’ll end up inventing the wheel).

    having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc;

    I am very confident that “education” may eschew all of the above, and still be quite adequate to task. Because that is the sole requirement for “education” — that it be adequate to the task.

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    By this definition circus animals are educated. That’s what I defined as “narrow education”. It is fairly common. That’s why even reasonably intelligent people are so easily fooled by the establishment, media, politicians, and other liars.
    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps. That’s why they are called “booby traps”, they are efficient against boobies (this British word all but disappeared from the American English).
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  150. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin
    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Rise of Flat-Earthers Is Result of Failed Educational System and free speech

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/

    Defense of 'Flat-Earthism' is straight forward and easy:

    1) Round Earthers told you one can't see the hull of distant ships or bottom parts of terrestrial objects ---As a person with considerable experience with telescopes, I can tell you ground upswelling of air and moisture just obstruct or confuse your line of sight view.

    2)Round earth from space---Its simple, Yahweh wraps time space continuum to give the illusion of round earth.

    3)Flat earth can't extent indefinitely since going in one direction will eventually go back to the starting point, so the Earth must be a cube or polyhedron.People don't fall off from clift of cubic Earth--- A cubic earth is a round earth with higher(negative) power terms in the G-force expansion series. A cubic Earth still attracts much like a round earth. Again Yahweh blurr human vision and tilting sensation near the edges.
    ......................
    Yes, I read almost all the non-math 1st yr science majors in USSR learned calculus the 'epsilon-delta' hard way.

    http://time.com/5194310/neil-degrasse-tyson-flat-earth/

    I don’t know what the point is of this article. If the purpose is to show that black physicists are just as smart as white physicists, then having one tackle flat-eartherism is not the way to do it. If Tyson were smarter he would refuse to engage with this issue at all, not even to refute it.

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  151. @AnonFromTN
    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly, if you don’t, you spell like Bush Jr. Grammar reflects both reading and writing: if you write a lot of stuff that others read (and critique), you can’t help writing grammatical sentences. In my experience, people who skillfully use one language can become fluent in others, whereas those who get by with 200 words in their mother tongue cannot.

    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly

    Sometimes, not all the time. Some intelligent people cannot spell, and cannot learn to spell by reading. Yes, I know this for certain.

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    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.
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  152. @manorchurch

    having heard the music of Bach, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Strauss (and knowing that there were Richard and two Johanns), etc; having heard at least a few operas; having read Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Faulkner, etc;
     
    I am very confident that "education" may eschew all of the above, and still be quite adequate to task. Because that is the sole requirement for "education" -- that it be adequate to the task.

    By this definition circus animals are educated. That’s what I defined as “narrow education”. It is fairly common. That’s why even reasonably intelligent people are so easily fooled by the establishment, media, politicians, and other liars.
    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps. That’s why they are called “booby traps”, they are efficient against boobies (this British word all but disappeared from the American English).

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    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps.

    Boy is this nonsense, and you come from academia where more common sense deficient morons reside per capita than enywhere else in the universe. Probably the only thing William F Buckey ever said that was glairingly true was that he would give more credence to the opinions of the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than that of the entire faculty at Harvard.

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  153. By this definition circus animals are educated.

    Of course. This bothers you?

    I believe “classical music” is unlistenable. I’ll grant that it is music, and rap is not. But, it sucks. Bores me to tears. Opera, worse.

    Where is the intersection of classical music and education?

    IOW, I don’t agree with your assessment of what is “education”, and I do not believe that you can logically support your assertions.

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  154. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Can't those rich parents scream it's anti-Semitic to place schvartzes in with G-d's Chosen? If that doesn't work, bring up holocaust imagery and call school honcho Richard Carranza, the new Hitler, that always works.

    Ironically, I bet the gr grandfathers of these kids donated to AJC ADL NACCP funds used to litigate Brown vs Topeka.

    Grand parents probably went on those Freesom rides, went to law school and litigated school bussing and putting section 8 housing in White neighborhoods

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  155. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen

    The sad thing is that by the writing in their tests you cannot tell who is from Kansas and who is fresh from China. The language skills of the majority are dismal: mangled grammar, very limited vocabulary (most of them don’t know the difference between “elicit” and “illicit”, or between “principle” and “principal”, etc). Over the years I had only one American grad student with well-developed English. She said that her English professor in college was a very demanding Chinese guy.
     
    Hahaha. Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg's numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article, but since one of the mistakes in the original piece was using elicit instead of illicit, it seems like the problem you described certainly exists among the various white nationalist types who are always complaining about blacks or whatever else minority group in this country today...

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-anecdote-for-toxic-blackness-is-toxic-whiteness/#comment-2317790

    American K-12 public schools stopped teaching grammar about 1980 because English grammar is deemed racist against non Whites.

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  156. Mishra says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for that link, Mishra, as that was a nice short summary of that bill's contents and passage. I couldn't find any bias even, on there, which is highly irregular.

    As far as the (we) libertarians go, it seems people on unz.com have this real bias against them (us) based on erroneous ideas of all libertarians thinking like the ones that write in Reason magazine. I think that libertarians and conservatives have a few things they need to learn from each other.

    Silent Cal Coolidge sounds like the best President since way back to the 1st half of the 19th century. What was it Archie or Edith Bunker who sang "Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover Calvin Coolidge again ...."? (Gotta love that great silky-smooth Edith Bunker sound too!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I

    The article had me fairly impressed for the same reasons, until I hit this:

    Many in Japan were very offended by the new law, which was a violation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Japanese government protested, but the law remained, resulting in an increase in existing tensions between the two nations. Despite the increased tensions, it appeared that the U.S. Congress had decided that preserving the racial composition of the country was more important than promoting good ties with Japan.

    So our State Department is saying that our (racist!) desire to control immigration is to blame for World War II, but of course, only the part of WW2 which is not explained by Naziness.

    Overstated? Perhaps; perhaps not. But hard not to see The Agenda here. The European Theatre is explained by our (somewhat virtuous) desire to Fight Racism; the Pacific Theatre is explained by our (not quite so virtuous) Racism against Asian POCs. Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany.

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    Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany
     
    We continue to debate the ATOMIC bombing of Japan. No one debates the conventional fire-bombing of Japan, only the nukes.

    If we'd had the atomic bombs before the Nazi surrender, I think we'd have used them on German cities without hesitation. I think there's no difference there.
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  157. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
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    Re (3) : I was not in the humanities. I know lot from personal experience about academics in engineering and science. You are just wr0ng. I'm not talking about full professors' salaries. I'm talking about cheap labor from foreign grad students (mostly Chinese, and about 1/2 as many dot-Indians, the latter more likely in computer science, not engineering).

    Back in the late 1980's there were only a few very bright people from China and India in the graduate schools. Americans could do research and teach classes very well in this capacity (as a grad. student). I never had an American I couldn't understand well, except a New Yorker or two. Americans were able to get good-paying classes back then, so grad school was a sacrifice money wise.

    Even at that time, there were already Chinese guys teaching in the math department, and the tuition-paying (it was not so much on loans back then) undergrads had to try to make sense from what was on the board. Good luck asking a question - first the guy would have to understand that question, say 50%, and then you'd have to understand his answer, say 25% - whaddya get, math whiz , around 12% chance of getting the question answered to your satisfaction? That's a rip off!

    The cheap labor for the research went hog wild when immigration ramped up, especially student visas that turned into work visas then green cards. The Americans were priced out, because they were not used to living in tiny apartments on campus with the family an mother-in-law on a tourist visa.

    I knew plenty of very bright American who could whip you to the floor with equations. The Chinese do well in math but rely on memorization too much. They cheat more too.

    I've know all about academics, including paper-publishing, which can be a scam on its own, with 12 co-authors, who maybe lent the author a piece of equipment, or helped find a book with the solution to that diff-eq, or let the author use a piece of software. Academics is as corrupt as the next field. You're a part of it, so I understand the defensive position you're in.

    In the mid 1980s students and their parents of the University of Illinois Urbana sued the university because the foreign TAs and instructors could not speak English well enough to be understood

    I don’t know what happened if anyone tried that today I’m sure the suit would be dismissed on grounds of racism.

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    Yeah, I wish they'd won that one. If you have more in a link, please paste it in here, Anon. The suit would not only be dismissed nowadays, but anyone bringing the suit who was associated with the University would be brought up on some kind of hate charges.

    The funny thing is that now, I don't think the students and their parents care as much now as then. Even though tuition is 10X higher, the kids are almost all on loans, burdening future taxpayers very likely. It's very easy to spend other people's money. I gave links up in post 111 to Peak Stupidity's view of the University bubble.
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  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Some interesting observations. We've tried the standardized national curriculum, first with No Child Left Behind in 2002, then with Common Core in 2009, and neither has moved the needle in "closing the achievement gap". After 15 years the gap between white/asian and black/hispanic remained stubbornly in place, if not widen. Perhaps it's time to stop imposing this unworkable ideal on the whole country?

    When Common Core first came out, I bought in on the whole concept of lack of national standards being the culprit and was supportive. Now after seeing its insidious impact on my children's education for the past 8 years, I think it's time to scrap this stupid idea. Public education has become a way for liberals to indoctrinate the next gen through the content of English lit, Social Studies and Sex Ed. I now firmly believe the only way to fix education is to do the exact opposite - bust up the education cartel that wants to enforce uniformity and allow choice in education.

    Education needs a major shake up, and the only way to shake things up is to allow each school to operate as an independent school, jointly run by parents. Instead of confining kids to attending their neighborhood schools and giving the school district full control over the curriculum, allow kids to attend whichever public school of their choice, and allow each school to determine its own curriculum, determine solely between the teachers and the parents, perhaps through some kind of online voting capability. Allow parents to choose schools that meet their own philosophy on education -- some might want more rigor, others a more artsy or literary focus, or more modern, more traditional, more sports, no sports, STEM focus, vocational skills etc. Have each school declare their education philosophy, focus, curriculum and let people vote with their feet. Allocate funds based on head count.

    School choice is just another word for bussing blacks to White schools

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  159. Mishra says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Mishra, I'm sorry I didn't reply to this post in a timely manner. Ron Unz does have some very diverse views featured, and the Libertarian writers are Dr. Ron Paul, of course, and Judge Andrew Napoliltano for starters. Those 2 guys just don't get so many comments, though, which shows that the readership does not lean libertarian.

    There is Paul Craig Roberts, but that is another manner. I'd read his articles, but sometimes, even with new revelations of the infringements on our liberties every week, his stuff seems repetitive. Aside from that, there is no discussion, as Mr. Roberts did not want any comments on his articles, starting back a year or so ago. I would be very pleased to know I was part of that deal, as I reamed him a coupla' new ones on his stupidity in 2 columns regarding Global Climate Disruption(TM). That's when he got particularly pissed at getting called out for stupidity by his commenters, and decided he didn't want to hear from them. Well, I don't hear from P.C. Roberts either at this point!

    Back to your question, I did used to read Reason on-line, with their "hit-and-run" comment section, but they were a nest of open-borders race-unconcious Libertards. I would suggest some of the patriot sites, but I don't have a favorite one right now. Lew Rockwell still has great articles but no discussion as far as I know.

    No apology necessary at all–I don’t spend that much time here either. I’ve looked in at Reason now and then, and appreciate some of what they have to say, but for similar reasons just don’t keep going back. I didn’t know that about PCR wrt comments. Interesting. Andrew Napoliltano is a name I recognize but I’m not sure I’ve read him. Will now–thanks.

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  160. Mishra says:
    @res

    In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
     
    That is a very strong assertion. First, as an academic I assume you interact with others in environments where if those people exist you should encounter them (e.g. conferences with the best in your field). If that is the case, then I would be interested in getting a sense of how you define "better education."

    That is a very strong assertion.

    Strong is a very nice word for it. I just wish I hadn’t read it.

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  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    In the 1960's, when my wife was a little girl, she grew up in Morningside Heights apartments, right next to Harlem. Her parents were liberal college professors, so naturally when she was old enough to go to high school and was assigned to a 99% black high school in Harlem, they were thrilled. Public schools for our daughter - no elitist institutions for us! Just think of the possibilities for multicultural interactions.

    On her first day at school, she was chased up a stairway by some older boys who had just one thing on their minds. Thankfully, she ran into the arms of a big black woman teacher, who told those boys to knock it off.

    The next day, the black principal called her and her parents into his office. According to my wife, he said "You need to get this little white girl the hell out of this school TODAY!"

    She found a nice private high school in upstate New York that was just right.

    It's not just academic standards that attract (or repel) parents from different schools...

    I’ve posted again and again that it’s the behavior of black kids, not their IQ, study habits and “lack of parental involvement” that make them dangerous to be around White children.

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    I agree with you that their behavior poses the most immediate threat, and it's a real one.

    But after posting this, and reading your response, I've done some more thinking. The long-term threat to the United States in all this is the widespread adoption of black behavior by whites. Not just the most extreme examples (like "wiggers", white kids who act black) but everywhere else.

    A typical example is the victory dance now required in sports, which is largely an outgrowth of black psychology, and shows the need to be respected (as opposed to being disrespected). When I was a kid in the 1960's, if you performed an amazing athletic feat and scored, the feat was enough. Everyone admired it, and if you performed any sort of emphasis after the fact, people thought you were "rubbing it in" and most people were unhappy with it. In fact, it was against the rules for a long time.

    Now, little boys practice the dance, rather than the rigorous practice that all-to-rarely results in scoring. It's very inclusive; anyone can do a victory dance, but only the few can score. I hate it. Can we go back to working to achieve excellence? I hope we can.

    , @RadicalCenter
    EXACTLY.
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  162. MarkinLA says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Sorry, but the opinions of people who can’t spell and mangle their grammar tend to be worthless. BTW, many libtards can’t spell, so this is not something specific for alt-right or any other political grouping.

    No sometimes it just coincides with the level of importance of these comments. Why should I rewrite something 10 times like I used to do for graduate school papers when all I am doing is spewing my opinion that nobody cares about and I only want to waste 2 minutes on?

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  163. MarkinLA says:
    @Truth

    Well our good host Ron probably graciously corrected Robert Weissberg’s numerous embarrassing misspellings in his latest article,
     
    LOL, you mean the article about how Knee-grows are destroying the US education system?

    I don’t think he thinks they are destroying the education system (how could something so screwed up already be destroyed), only that it is nearly impossible to educate them and thus a huge waste of time trying.

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    Yes, but my point is that he had numerous grammatical errors in a post about how "Knee-grows are incapable of learning." I found this amusing, as, apparently did a few others.
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  164. MarkinLA says:
    @AnonFromTN
    By this definition circus animals are educated. That’s what I defined as “narrow education”. It is fairly common. That’s why even reasonably intelligent people are so easily fooled by the establishment, media, politicians, and other liars.
    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps. That’s why they are called “booby traps”, they are efficient against boobies (this British word all but disappeared from the American English).

    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps.

    Boy is this nonsense, and you come from academia where more common sense deficient morons reside per capita than enywhere else in the universe. Probably the only thing William F Buckey ever said that was glairingly true was that he would give more credence to the opinions of the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than that of the entire faculty at Harvard.

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    Sounds so familiar. Soviet KGB always believed that those who read without difficulty, know long words, and wear glasses are dangerous subversives. Aren’t you proud of yourself?
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  165. @Anon
    In the mid 1980s students and their parents of the University of Illinois Urbana sued the university because the foreign TAs and instructors could not speak English well enough to be understood

    I don’t know what happened if anyone tried that today I’m sure the suit would be dismissed on grounds of racism.

    Yeah, I wish they’d won that one. If you have more in a link, please paste it in here, Anon. The suit would not only be dismissed nowadays, but anyone bringing the suit who was associated with the University would be brought up on some kind of hate charges.

    The funny thing is that now, I don’t think the students and their parents care as much now as then. Even though tuition is 10X higher, the kids are almost all on loans, burdening future taxpayers very likely. It’s very easy to spend other people’s money. I gave links up in post 111 to Peak Stupidity’s view of the University bubble.

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  166. @Miro23
    I agree about Calvin Coolidge - He would take my prize as the best US President ever.

    There are some great Coolidge quotes here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/101882.Calvin_Coolidge

    He had this interesting idea that every piece of proposed government legislation had to have the downside fully evaluated before a decision was made. In other words 95% of proposed legislation would be rejected.

    “It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “There is no dignity
    quite so impressive,
    and no independence
    quite so important,
    as living within your means.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     
    He's also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.

    I’d read the 1st one, but I like the 2nd one the best. Thanks.

    He’s also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.

    Yes! Speaking of signs, as I wrote here regarding local politics, I have a hard-core cntrl-left neighbor who is very helpful for reminding me of local elections. Whatever yard sign she puts up reminds me to check which Tuesday to come out and vote for anyone running against the name on that sign! This saves me hours, OK, minutes, of on-line poring over information about our local fools.

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  167. @AnonFromTN
    Now guess what country has the highest proportion of flat Earth believers? Then report you guess (you can also support it by hard data) to one “Achmed E. Newman” (even though if he is “Achmed”, I’m the Emperor of the East).

    You know what, Russian living in Tennessee, I don’t really care how many people do believe in a flat earth, or that Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and 10 other Americans never set foot on the moon (shades of Truth here). What’s important is that parents, who almost all care about their offspring, contrary to the assumptions of your socialism, can pick and RUN schools as they see fit. In a free market in education, the grown-ups who still believe in a flat earth won’t bother anyone, as they won’t end up scientists or engineers, or worse yet, working in government.

    You are correct, sir that “Achmed E. Newman” is not my real given name (but I could go to the courthouse tomorrow and change that!). Maybe you shouldn’t be using the handle “AnonFromTN”, as it makes people think you are from Tennessee. You are from Russia, which is why you should quit trying to write about history (from your broad, broad education) when after I went through some history to prove you wrong, you come up with “there are no ‘ifs’”.

    If you were really well educated, you would know that you have a lot to learn and don’t know it all. Yeah, just keep this up – you are on the road to YanShendom. You don’t come back from YanShendom.

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    FYI, I do know that what I know constitutes a small part of what is known, let alone what’s knowable. Every answer I get from my experiments raises more questions. That’s the nature of science. Every system of beliefs that claims to know the Truth with a capital T is not science (to put it mildly).

    Now, I also have to be fair to the American people: the great majority is not as prejudiced as you appear to be. That’s why this country still manages to attract talent from all over the world. This used to be just a booster, but now it’s the only thing that keeps it afloat. Not for long, though.
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  168. Truth says:
    @MarkinLA
    I don't think he thinks they are destroying the education system (how could something so screwed up already be destroyed), only that it is nearly impossible to educate them and thus a huge waste of time trying.

    Yes, but my point is that he had numerous grammatical errors in a post about how “Knee-grows are incapable of learning.” I found this amusing, as, apparently did a few others.

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  169. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN
    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent. That tells me a lot about you. Nothing surprising, though: over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.

    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent

    just true

    That tells me a lot about you.

    >>gasp!<<

    over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.

    Among them; noblesse oblige, cultivation, humility, grace, discernment, wisdom, tact, prudence, acumen, sagacity.. etcetera.. etcetera….

    None of which was on display with your haughty and dismissive edict that

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
    … …
    End of story.

    you say you believe in experiments, and then demonstrate the ‘evidence’ of your claim with anecdotal ‘proof’. Which is decidedly unscientific.

    I’m not trying to flame you my friend, I’ve read many of your comments with interest and I’m glad this site (and those who read it) has the benefit of your unique perspective. I’d like to continue to enjoy reading your contributions. I just think that you were a little condescending in your ‘tone’, that’s all.

    What you say about the education you received in the Soviet Union might even be true, vis-a-vis a typical Western education, (especially today).

    If for no other reason than to demonstrate that to the rest of us here, I plan on reading your future posts with interest. As I’ve said, you’ve made some worthwhile points already.

    Cheers

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    Thanks!
    I agree that anecdotal evidence is not scientific. I don’t have any other in this area: my field is biochemistry and cell biology, not social sciences. Besides, conducting a poll that tells you what you need to know, rather than what you want to hear, is high art. Sociologists have lively debates about that.
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  170. @MarkinLA
    People with broader education are not as easily caught by booby traps.

    Boy is this nonsense, and you come from academia where more common sense deficient morons reside per capita than enywhere else in the universe. Probably the only thing William F Buckey ever said that was glairingly true was that he would give more credence to the opinions of the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than that of the entire faculty at Harvard.

    Sounds so familiar. Soviet KGB always believed that those who read without difficulty, know long words, and wear glasses are dangerous subversives. Aren’t you proud of yourself?

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    Your posts show that you are mostly an arrogant fool who thinks way too highly of himself. But like all such people, probably has nowhere near the accomplishments to justify it.

    Getting back to your stupid irrelevant response, haven't you paid any attention to the stupidity that shows up every day on our college campuses - like safe spaces or these idiotic candlelight vigils usually over some hoax. Who do you think supports this nonsense? Maybe you are ignorant of the nonsense we see in places like Google or government agencies full of people with advanced degrees because you actually are stupid enough to think there is nothing wrong with it.

    I wonder why we don't see this type of idiocy at the automobile manufacturing plant?
    , @Anon
    It’s very very different in the US. The longer a person goes to college and gets higher degrees the more they believe the brainwashing.

    And the interview process to get an academic job involved asking probing questions about race immigration etc.

    Any academic who says in the interview that he or she plans to only teach the subject won’t be hired. A person who plans to mix whatever the liberal propaganda de jour with math, physics hard science is hired.
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  171. @manorchurch

    Spelling reflects reading: if you read a lot, you cannot help spelling words correctly
     
    Sometimes, not all the time. Some intelligent people cannot spell, and cannot learn to spell by reading. Yes, I know this for certain.

    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.

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    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.
     
    I read a fair Italian, don't speak it well because of prior-learned languages taking precedence. You appear to be joshing me, slyly. Which is certainly okay -- so many people here take themselves and their opinions so goddamn seriously, it's a wonder they can wipe their own asses without glancing at the smear to note how well-formed it is.
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  172. @Achmed E. Newman
    You know what, Russian living in Tennessee, I don't really care how many people do believe in a flat earth, or that Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and 10 other Americans never set foot on the moon (shades of Truth here). What's important is that parents, who almost all care about their offspring, contrary to the assumptions of your socialism, can pick and RUN schools as they see fit. In a free market in education, the grown-ups who still believe in a flat earth won't bother anyone, as they won't end up scientists or engineers, or worse yet, working in government.

    You are correct, sir that "Achmed E. Newman" is not my real given name (but I could go to the courthouse tomorrow and change that!). Maybe you shouldn't be using the handle "AnonFromTN", as it makes people think you are from Tennessee. You are from Russia, which is why you should quit trying to write about history (from your broad, broad education) when after I went through some history to prove you wrong, you come up with "there are no 'ifs'".

    If you were really well educated, you would know that you have a lot to learn and don't know it all. Yeah, just keep this up - you are on the road to YanShendom. You don't come back from YanShendom.

    FYI, I do know that what I know constitutes a small part of what is known, let alone what’s knowable. Every answer I get from my experiments raises more questions. That’s the nature of science. Every system of beliefs that claims to know the Truth with a capital T is not science (to put it mildly).

    Now, I also have to be fair to the American people: the great majority is not as prejudiced as you appear to be. That’s why this country still manages to attract talent from all over the world. This used to be just a booster, but now it’s the only thing that keeps it afloat. Not for long, though.

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    Yeah, there's my well-rounded history buff: Apparently, America could never be a great country without the Russian and other immigrants that hadn't come in big numbers until 1965, since 1924, and haven't existed in significant numbers since the 1980's. I guess that's why we couldn't send a man to the moon, or a dozen for that matter.

    With all these newcomers, the economy is just hunky-dory. You are keeping us afloat, man! Keep on doing your research to keep us afloat. I'll keep paying my income tax to support your principal investigators and foreign cheap-labor grad students in your soft-science out of my taxes, cause I need to stay afloat. Give me a break with this sanctimonious crap.

    I am indeed more prejudiced than the next man - prejudiced against STUPIDITY, that is.

    OK, that was pretty tough, and not a great way to end this conversation. I wrote in the first place to you, because I don't agree with your view that more government control of education is what we need. You come from a place that had lots of central government control, and I come from a place that had lots of freedom. At the same time, the schools at all levels were much better than they are now.

    You come across as a know-it-all, and you have a really bad view of Americans. I could see getting that viewpoint just from watching TV 1 hour per day. Life is not all what you see on TV. Perhaps, you should turn that thing off.
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  173. @Rurik

    I am sure you believe that what you wrote is intelligent
     
    just true

    That tells me a lot about you.
     
    >>gasp!<<

    over millennia of known human history people believed all sots of things.
     
    Among them; noblesse oblige, cultivation, humility, grace, discernment, wisdom, tact, prudence, acumen, sagacity.. etcetera.. etcetera....

    None of which was on display with your haughty and dismissive edict that

    As a scientist, I believe in experiments, not in hot air. In 27 years I never met an American with better education than mine.
    ... ...
    End of story.
     
    you say you believe in experiments, and then demonstrate the 'evidence' of your claim with anecdotal 'proof'. Which is decidedly unscientific.

    I'm not trying to flame you my friend, I've read many of your comments with interest and I'm glad this site (and those who read it) has the benefit of your unique perspective. I'd like to continue to enjoy reading your contributions. I just think that you were a little condescending in your 'tone', that's all.

    What you say about the education you received in the Soviet Union might even be true, vis-a-vis a typical Western education, (especially today).

    If for no other reason than to demonstrate that to the rest of us here, I plan on reading your future posts with interest. As I've said, you've made some worthwhile points already.

    Cheers

    Thanks!
    I agree that anecdotal evidence is not scientific. I don’t have any other in this area: my field is biochemistry and cell biology, not social sciences. Besides, conducting a poll that tells you what you need to know, rather than what you want to hear, is high art. Sociologists have lively debates about that.

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  174. Rurik says:
    @Miro23
    I agree about Calvin Coolidge - He would take my prize as the best US President ever.

    There are some great Coolidge quotes here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/101882.Calvin_Coolidge

    He had this interesting idea that every piece of proposed government legislation had to have the downside fully evaluated before a decision was made. In other words 95% of proposed legislation would be rejected.

    “It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “There is no dignity
    quite so impressive,
    and no independence
    quite so important,
    as living within your means.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    “Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”
    ― Calvin Coolidge
     
    He's also a hate figure for Progressives which has to be a good sign.

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”

    ― Calvin Coolidge

    “the virtue of man” ?

    if that existed, laws wouldn’t be necessary.

    As for religious convictions being the fount of peace, justice and charity, let us not delude ourselves as to the motivations behind the Eternal Wars, all being waged on behalf of some psychotic Biblical deity with the rapturous blessings of tens of millions of Christian Zionists.

    Who, if not Christians like Mike Pence, are demanding America operate a torture facility? In violation of every tenet of human decency and honor, not to mention the quintessential American character of our grandfathers. The America I grew up in, considered torture a grotesque evil of the long repudiated savage dark ages. Now ‘they’ (it’s not we anymore ; ), operate a torture camp openly, and in stark mockery of the values that I grew up with.

    Here is America’s premiere Christian pontificating on torture as an American value:

    “Let me say emphatically, ‘Mr. President, public safety comes before public relations.’

    “The American people don’t want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us more popular, they want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us safer.”

    https://votesmart.org/public-statement/439229/pence-on-guantanamo-bay-mr-president-public-safety-comes-before-public-relations#.WvGvwJWG_cs

    he seems to be saying that mouse-like, pusillanimous cowardice is all the justification America needs to torture men we’re afraid of.

    Perhaps the Christians of Coolidge’s era were built of a better mettle. I suspect so.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn’t true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ’s era blush.

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    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn’t true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ’s era blush.
     
    Consider a longer, more nuanced view. Churches contest for cultural control of the dominant social structures within their -- well, milieu, for lack of a better word.

    It is 2018. The mystical, nonsensical, metaphysically-unsupportable elements of religions have almost completely lost viability in the modern (civilized, or giving the appearance thereof) world. Religion must change, must adapt to the increasing sophistication of the increasingly-informed individual within society. Informed, semi-educated, technologized out the wazoo. Thus, churches must warp their moral doctrines to adapt to conditions, to hold onto "believers". Unfortunately, lies are more easily deployed in pursuit of social control than are Truths.
    , @AnonFromTN
    That’s not new. The only world religion not guilty of genocide is Buddhism. And even that is true only if we exclude the Tibet variety. Reading the Bible (Old Testament) today you find many cases ready for war crimes tribunal.
    , @Anon
    Granted some of the Protestant preachers like James Hager are well paid lobbyists of Israel. And Pence is an ardent Zionist and is Vice President

    The majority of the Protestant churches are neutral on Zionism. Some are openly anti Zionist and actively involved in divest movement . There are a lot of Hispanic evangelical Protestant churches that ignore the Palestine Israel issue. The Catholics seem to stay out of the conflict

    You can’t blame all the Christian churches for the Zionism of a few.
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  175. @AnonFromTN
    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.

    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.

    I read a fair Italian, don’t speak it well because of prior-learned languages taking precedence. You appear to be joshing me, slyly. Which is certainly okay — so many people here take themselves and their opinions so goddamn seriously, it’s a wonder they can wipe their own asses without glancing at the smear to note how well-formed it is.

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    I am not a pompous ass, even if I say so myself. Don’t trust people who take themselves too seriously, either. Tell my grad students never to take anybody’s word for anything, including mine. Seems to improve their science.
    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).
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  176. @Rurik

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”

    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    "the virtue of man" ?

    if that existed, laws wouldn't be necessary.

    As for religious convictions being the fount of peace, justice and charity, let us not delude ourselves as to the motivations behind the Eternal Wars, all being waged on behalf of some psychotic Biblical deity with the rapturous blessings of tens of millions of Christian Zionists.

    Who, if not Christians like Mike Pence, are demanding America operate a torture facility? In violation of every tenet of human decency and honor, not to mention the quintessential American character of our grandfathers. The America I grew up in, considered torture a grotesque evil of the long repudiated savage dark ages. Now 'they' (it's not we anymore ; ), operate a torture camp openly, and in stark mockery of the values that I grew up with.

    Here is America's premiere Christian pontificating on torture as an American value:


    "Let me say emphatically, ‘Mr. President, public safety comes before public relations.'

    "The American people don't want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us more popular, they want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us safer."
     

    https://votesmart.org/public-statement/439229/pence-on-guantanamo-bay-mr-president-public-safety-comes-before-public-relations#.WvGvwJWG_cs

    he seems to be saying that mouse-like, pusillanimous cowardice is all the justification America needs to torture men we're afraid of.

    Perhaps the Christians of Coolidge's era were built of a better mettle. I suspect so.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn't true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ's era blush.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn’t true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ’s era blush.

    Consider a longer, more nuanced view. Churches contest for cultural control of the dominant social structures within their — well, milieu, for lack of a better word.

    It is 2018. The mystical, nonsensical, metaphysically-unsupportable elements of religions have almost completely lost viability in the modern (civilized, or giving the appearance thereof) world. Religion must change, must adapt to the increasing sophistication of the increasingly-informed individual within society. Informed, semi-educated, technologized out the wazoo. Thus, churches must warp their moral doctrines to adapt to conditions, to hold onto “believers”. Unfortunately, lies are more easily deployed in pursuit of social control than are Truths.

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    Consider a longer, more nuanced view. Churches contest for cultural control of the dominant social structures within their — well, milieu, for lack of a better word.
     
    perhaps they did once, but I don't see it quite like that anymore.

    What it appears to me that they're doing, is selling their respective flocks down the river for shekels.

    If the Churches were contesting for cultural control, then wouldn't they be repudiating sins and evils as defined by their holy scripture? Wouldn't they be promoting a life of grace, rather than rubber stamping the serial wars of aggression- all based on obvious lies- that the West is perpetrating on millions of innocent people?

    The Christian flocks are told by the Christian leadership to bake cakes celebrating homosexual "weddings', or else.

    Just look at what the uber-Christian Pence did as governor of Indiana. He caved to the radical LGBT agenda, (out of concern for shekels) and made it the law of the land that Christians must, by law, bake cakes for homosexual "weddings", or else.

    more here:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/04/christian-farmer-barred-michigan-market-views-gay-marriage/

    And where are the Christian voices demanding their freedom of religion and freedom of expression and freedom of association?

    Cowards the lot of them. Too worried about a loss of shekels or some controversy to stand up against the winds of iniquity.

    Yes, I know there are some Christian involved with the BDS movement, and other heroic stands against evil. But where are the leadership?

    just look at Lindsey Graham, the Senator from that bible belt state South Carolina. Or John McCain, re-elected over and over again from a conservative, Christian constituency- illegal wars, moral atrocities and serial crimes notwithstanding.

    So when I look for the Church 'contesting for control', and all I see are the Boy Scouts of America, (an overtly Christian organization), allowing openly homosexual troop leaders as role models, to send your 10 year old son off to the woods with, to learn how to be a man, I shudder at the absolute corruption of everyone involved. Those boys deserve better. They deserve a culture that's based on something more substantial than a moral weathervane, turned to wherever the most shekels are blowing from.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7vAQxrAU6tE/maxresdefault.jpg

    look how this minister is gushing

    http://www.canada.com/cms/binary/7265322.jpg

    Thus, churches must warp their moral doctrines to adapt to conditions, to hold onto “believers”. Unfortunately, lies are more easily deployed in pursuit of social control than are Truths.
     
    that's one way of putting it,

    and I don't believe that lies are more easily deployed. I believe it is far easier to tell the truth, and far easier to believe the truth, than to believe devil's lies.

    If you were to tell me that marriage is a sacred covenant between a man and a woman, blessed by God and an institution that strengthens the fabric of society while encouraging a stable home-life for children, I'd say that make a lot of sense, and I agree.

    Now if you were to say that homosexuals getting married is just as sacred a covenant before God, and helps bolster the fabric of society, and promote a healthy environment for children to be raised in homosexual homes, where they'll enjoy the benefits of the homosexual lifestyle, and this should all be consecrated by the Church, and anyone who doesn't agree is a hate-filled bigot who should be arrested...

    well then that's going to be a harder sell, at least for me. And I suspect for most people.

    So what is easier isn't telling the lie, and foisting the devil's agenda. No. What's easier is telling the truth, and allowing people to behave in ways that are consistent with their nature.

    But when there's shekels involved, then that changes everything! Now the Boy Scouts are the Gay Scouts, and Eternal Wars based on lies and every Palestinian child burned alive by white phosphorus puts a smile in Jesus' heart.
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  177. @manorchurch

    Some languages are easier. Say, in Italian you write exactly what you say, so there is no spelling problem at all.
     
    I read a fair Italian, don't speak it well because of prior-learned languages taking precedence. You appear to be joshing me, slyly. Which is certainly okay -- so many people here take themselves and their opinions so goddamn seriously, it's a wonder they can wipe their own asses without glancing at the smear to note how well-formed it is.

    I am not a pompous ass, even if I say so myself. Don’t trust people who take themselves too seriously, either. Tell my grad students never to take anybody’s word for anything, including mine. Seems to improve their science.
    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).

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    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).
     
    Written language is just symbols. Don't attribute deep meaning to symbols. Attribute meaning to that which the symbol represents.

    That's the meaning of life, right there. At no charge to you. ;-)
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  178. @Rurik

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”

    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    "the virtue of man" ?

    if that existed, laws wouldn't be necessary.

    As for religious convictions being the fount of peace, justice and charity, let us not delude ourselves as to the motivations behind the Eternal Wars, all being waged on behalf of some psychotic Biblical deity with the rapturous blessings of tens of millions of Christian Zionists.

    Who, if not Christians like Mike Pence, are demanding America operate a torture facility? In violation of every tenet of human decency and honor, not to mention the quintessential American character of our grandfathers. The America I grew up in, considered torture a grotesque evil of the long repudiated savage dark ages. Now 'they' (it's not we anymore ; ), operate a torture camp openly, and in stark mockery of the values that I grew up with.

    Here is America's premiere Christian pontificating on torture as an American value:


    "Let me say emphatically, ‘Mr. President, public safety comes before public relations.'

    "The American people don't want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us more popular, they want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us safer."
     

    https://votesmart.org/public-statement/439229/pence-on-guantanamo-bay-mr-president-public-safety-comes-before-public-relations#.WvGvwJWG_cs

    he seems to be saying that mouse-like, pusillanimous cowardice is all the justification America needs to torture men we're afraid of.

    Perhaps the Christians of Coolidge's era were built of a better mettle. I suspect so.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn't true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ's era blush.

    That’s not new. The only world religion not guilty of genocide is Buddhism. And even that is true only if we exclude the Tibet variety. Reading the Bible (Old Testament) today you find many cases ready for war crimes tribunal.

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  179. MarkinLA says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Sounds so familiar. Soviet KGB always believed that those who read without difficulty, know long words, and wear glasses are dangerous subversives. Aren’t you proud of yourself?

    Your posts show that you are mostly an arrogant fool who thinks way too highly of himself. But like all such people, probably has nowhere near the accomplishments to justify it.

    Getting back to your stupid irrelevant response, haven’t you paid any attention to the stupidity that shows up every day on our college campuses – like safe spaces or these idiotic candlelight vigils usually over some hoax. Who do you think supports this nonsense? Maybe you are ignorant of the nonsense we see in places like Google or government agencies full of people with advanced degrees because you actually are stupid enough to think there is nothing wrong with it.

    I wonder why we don’t see this type of idiocy at the automobile manufacturing plant?

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    Ask yourself, how many people in Congress or in the US government have advanced degrees in science? I mean natural sciences that deal with reality, not “political science” or law. The answer is short: none, zilch, nada.
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  180. @AnonFromTN
    FYI, I do know that what I know constitutes a small part of what is known, let alone what’s knowable. Every answer I get from my experiments raises more questions. That’s the nature of science. Every system of beliefs that claims to know the Truth with a capital T is not science (to put it mildly).

    Now, I also have to be fair to the American people: the great majority is not as prejudiced as you appear to be. That’s why this country still manages to attract talent from all over the world. This used to be just a booster, but now it’s the only thing that keeps it afloat. Not for long, though.

    Yeah, there’s my well-rounded history buff: Apparently, America could never be a great country without the Russian and other immigrants that hadn’t come in big numbers until 1965, since 1924, and haven’t existed in significant numbers since the 1980′s. I guess that’s why we couldn’t send a man to the moon, or a dozen for that matter.

    With all these newcomers, the economy is just hunky-dory. You are keeping us afloat, man! Keep on doing your research to keep us afloat. I’ll keep paying my income tax to support your principal investigators and foreign cheap-labor grad students in your soft-science out of my taxes, cause I need to stay afloat. Give me a break with this sanctimonious crap.

    I am indeed more prejudiced than the next man – prejudiced against STUPIDITY, that is.

    OK, that was pretty tough, and not a great way to end this conversation. I wrote in the first place to you, because I don’t agree with your view that more government control of education is what we need. You come from a place that had lots of central government control, and I come from a place that had lots of freedom. At the same time, the schools at all levels were much better than they are now.

    You come across as a know-it-all, and you have a really bad view of Americans. I could see getting that viewpoint just from watching TV 1 hour per day. Life is not all what you see on TV. Perhaps, you should turn that thing off.

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    This would have been funny if it weren’t so sad.

    1. Just look at the list of the US Nobel laureates in hard sciences (Physics, Chemistry, Medicine) and then check out their biographies to see how many were born in the US.

    2. To figure where your taxes go, try a little math of the simplest kind. The US “defense” budget is over $700 billion, which translates into $2,333 per year for every man, woman, and child, or $6.40 per day. All to defend you from non-existing enemies: the last time the US was attacked was December 7, 1941 (!), Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. By comparison, the NIH budget is $32 billion per year, so a US resident contributes to science all of $107 per year, or 29c per day in taxes.

    3. Freedom is a sick joke. We elect a pathetic figurehead every four years. Even in that the real choosing is done before you in primaries (often rigged, as in case of Clinton), so on the day of presidential elections you have a choice between shit and even bigger shit. You are perfectly free to decide which shit is bigger. Up to a point: even though Gore won Florida in 2000, Bush Jr was declared the winner and got presidency (strictly speaking, I should say Dick Cheney won). However, the real power that determines policy remains the same, regardless of the particular clown in the White House.

    4. Stupidity is the shortest description of the US Congress and the government. It is in fact avarice of their campaign donors, but their blinding greed is so shortsighted that it becomes stupidity. If it weren’t for the stupidest foreign policy imaginable, the US could have been on the top of the heap for another 30-40 years, and then would slide down gradually, like all dominant empires before it. But incessant provoking of Russia and China at the same time along with rampant borrowing to feed insatiable Pentagon contractors speeds up our demise.

    5. TV. FYI, I did not watch TV for the last 15 years, American or any other. I wouldn’t trust a word MSM are saying, as the freedom of the press only means that the owners of papers and TV channels make presstitutes (Churchill’s term) spew whatever BS they need to maximize their profits.

    Have no time for more, as I need to do my “soft” science: in my field hard experimental data trump any theories.
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  181. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Sounds so familiar. Soviet KGB always believed that those who read without difficulty, know long words, and wear glasses are dangerous subversives. Aren’t you proud of yourself?

    It’s very very different in the US. The longer a person goes to college and gets higher degrees the more they believe the brainwashing.

    And the interview process to get an academic job involved asking probing questions about race immigration etc.

    Any academic who says in the interview that he or she plans to only teach the subject won’t be hired. A person who plans to mix whatever the liberal propaganda de jour with math, physics hard science is hired.

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    I don’t know, this sounds like a humanities thing (PC BS trumps reality). I interviewed in 2001, largely for a position for doing biomedical research, with my condition that I only want to teach grad students (want to teach people who want to learn, rather than just get a good score), and my PC never came into the discussions. I had a few URM undergrads in my lab by that time (I still hold that quality, as well as laziness and stupidity, comes in all colors), but nobody even asked me about that. The only two things the Department was interested in were my current funding and the number and quality of published papers (as a predictor of future funding). Seemed cynical, but reasonable. Maybe things changed since then.
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  182. @AnonFromTN
    I am not a pompous ass, even if I say so myself. Don’t trust people who take themselves too seriously, either. Tell my grad students never to take anybody’s word for anything, including mine. Seems to improve their science.
    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).

    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).

    Written language is just symbols. Don’t attribute deep meaning to symbols. Attribute meaning to that which the symbol represents.

    That’s the meaning of life, right there. At no charge to you. ;-)

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    There is this thing called phonics, phonetic alphabets, particularly the greek and roman ones. The whole point of phonics is that the individual letters are suppose to symbolize the sounds you make when you say the word. I don't think anyone is attributing deep meaning to them, he was complaining that some of the phonetic languages of europe abuse the crap out of their phonics.

    For instance, if you spell "france", which is pronounced 'frans', "francelloisieouiselle' but everything after the c is considered silent, you have abused the roman alphabet.
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  183. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.”

    ― Calvin Coolidge
     

    "the virtue of man" ?

    if that existed, laws wouldn't be necessary.

    As for religious convictions being the fount of peace, justice and charity, let us not delude ourselves as to the motivations behind the Eternal Wars, all being waged on behalf of some psychotic Biblical deity with the rapturous blessings of tens of millions of Christian Zionists.

    Who, if not Christians like Mike Pence, are demanding America operate a torture facility? In violation of every tenet of human decency and honor, not to mention the quintessential American character of our grandfathers. The America I grew up in, considered torture a grotesque evil of the long repudiated savage dark ages. Now 'they' (it's not we anymore ; ), operate a torture camp openly, and in stark mockery of the values that I grew up with.

    Here is America's premiere Christian pontificating on torture as an American value:


    "Let me say emphatically, ‘Mr. President, public safety comes before public relations.'

    "The American people don't want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us more popular, they want to know how closing Guantanamo Bay will make us safer."
     

    https://votesmart.org/public-statement/439229/pence-on-guantanamo-bay-mr-president-public-safety-comes-before-public-relations#.WvGvwJWG_cs

    he seems to be saying that mouse-like, pusillanimous cowardice is all the justification America needs to torture men we're afraid of.

    Perhaps the Christians of Coolidge's era were built of a better mettle. I suspect so.

    In any event, if it was true then, it sure the hell isn't true today. The Christian churches today are bloodthirsty chicken-war-hawks that would make the Pharisees of Christ's era blush.

    Granted some of the Protestant preachers like James Hager are well paid lobbyists of Israel. And Pence is an ardent Zionist and is Vice President

    The majority of the Protestant churches are neutral on Zionism. Some are openly anti Zionist and actively involved in divest movement . There are a lot of Hispanic evangelical Protestant churches that ignore the Palestine Israel issue. The Catholics seem to stay out of the conflict

    You can’t blame all the Christian churches for the Zionism of a few.

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    You can’t blame all the Christian churches for the Zionism of a few.
     
    I think he does have a point that American Protestants (I mean the rank and file not the leaderships) do seem to be quite enthusiastic about war.

    Perhaps it wasn't always this way. I get the feeling that over the past half century or so being pro-war and being obscenely pro-military has become one of the badges of identity of American conservative Protestants. Maybe because it's not really socially acceptable any more to express conservative social opinions but in America it will always be socially acceptable to be pro-war.

    Or maybe American conservative Protestants realise they lost the culture war and they're hoping that they can restore things by bringing on Armageddon. They think that if they start enough wars for Jesus then Jesus will come back and fix things. Never underestimate the craziness of American Protestantism.
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  184. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, there's my well-rounded history buff: Apparently, America could never be a great country without the Russian and other immigrants that hadn't come in big numbers until 1965, since 1924, and haven't existed in significant numbers since the 1980's. I guess that's why we couldn't send a man to the moon, or a dozen for that matter.

    With all these newcomers, the economy is just hunky-dory. You are keeping us afloat, man! Keep on doing your research to keep us afloat. I'll keep paying my income tax to support your principal investigators and foreign cheap-labor grad students in your soft-science out of my taxes, cause I need to stay afloat. Give me a break with this sanctimonious crap.

    I am indeed more prejudiced than the next man - prejudiced against STUPIDITY, that is.

    OK, that was pretty tough, and not a great way to end this conversation. I wrote in the first place to you, because I don't agree with your view that more government control of education is what we need. You come from a place that had lots of central government control, and I come from a place that had lots of freedom. At the same time, the schools at all levels were much better than they are now.

    You come across as a know-it-all, and you have a really bad view of Americans. I could see getting that viewpoint just from watching TV 1 hour per day. Life is not all what you see on TV. Perhaps, you should turn that thing off.

    This would have been funny if it weren’t so sad.

    1. Just look at the list of the US Nobel laureates in hard sciences (Physics, Chemistry, Medicine) and then check out their biographies to see how many were born in the US.

    2. To figure where your taxes go, try a little math of the simplest kind. The US “defense” budget is over $700 billion, which translates into $2,333 per year for every man, woman, and child, or $6.40 per day. All to defend you from non-existing enemies: the last time the US was attacked was December 7, 1941 (!), Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. By comparison, the NIH budget is $32 billion per year, so a US resident contributes to science all of $107 per year, or 29c per day in taxes.

    3. Freedom is a sick joke. We elect a pathetic figurehead every four years. Even in that the real choosing is done before you in primaries (often rigged, as in case of Clinton), so on the day of presidential elections you have a choice between shit and even bigger shit. You are perfectly free to decide which shit is bigger. Up to a point: even though Gore won Florida in 2000, Bush Jr was declared the winner and got presidency (strictly speaking, I should say Dick Cheney won). However, the real power that determines policy remains the same, regardless of the particular clown in the White House.

    4. Stupidity is the shortest description of the US Congress and the government. It is in fact avarice of their campaign donors, but their blinding greed is so shortsighted that it becomes stupidity. If it weren’t for the stupidest foreign policy imaginable, the US could have been on the top of the heap for another 30-40 years, and then would slide down gradually, like all dominant empires before it. But incessant provoking of Russia and China at the same time along with rampant borrowing to feed insatiable Pentagon contractors speeds up our demise.

    5. TV. FYI, I did not watch TV for the last 15 years, American or any other. I wouldn’t trust a word MSM are saying, as the freedom of the press only means that the owners of papers and TV channels make presstitutes (Churchill’s term) spew whatever BS they need to maximize their profits.

    Have no time for more, as I need to do my “soft” science: in my field hard experimental data trump any theories.

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    You miss really important words like "was", "then" and "now".

    1) Yes, that is NOW.

    2) Loads of university research budgets are from branches of the military.
    I did not argue that our military is not the bully of the world, and by far the biggest, along with a tremendous waste of money for the taxpayers like me. That doesn't change the fact that my tax money is what pays your stipend or salary.

    3) There is not much freedom here NOW. I'm not joking when I'm writing about the past. Again "now" does not mean "then", OK? Do you have verb tenses in Russian, BTW?

    4) Absolutely! I have no argument with this one paragraph. Why is it there?

    5) I am glad you eschew the idiot box as I do. More power to you (and less to your house).

    Get caught up on reading comprehension, especially the difference between the past and the present, don't argue about what I am not arguing about, and take the time to look way, way up there, at my first reply to you, and then we can have a better convo. Otherwise, yeah, get back to work. I just sent in my taxes 3 weeks back, so there should be no lack of funds.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Your paragraph four is a sound analysis of the possible course that the USA easily could have followed for a “soft landing.”
    , @swimologist
    Gore DID NOT win Florida. The entire western panhandle of Florida hadn't voted (polls still open) when the networks were calling it for Gore. Who knows how many hundreds/thousands of Bush voters simply didn't vote because of that.
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  185. @MarkinLA
    Your posts show that you are mostly an arrogant fool who thinks way too highly of himself. But like all such people, probably has nowhere near the accomplishments to justify it.

    Getting back to your stupid irrelevant response, haven't you paid any attention to the stupidity that shows up every day on our college campuses - like safe spaces or these idiotic candlelight vigils usually over some hoax. Who do you think supports this nonsense? Maybe you are ignorant of the nonsense we see in places like Google or government agencies full of people with advanced degrees because you actually are stupid enough to think there is nothing wrong with it.

    I wonder why we don't see this type of idiocy at the automobile manufacturing plant?

    Ask yourself, how many people in Congress or in the US government have advanced degrees in science? I mean natural sciences that deal with reality, not “political science” or law. The answer is short: none, zilch, nada.

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  186. @AnonFromTN
    This would have been funny if it weren’t so sad.

    1. Just look at the list of the US Nobel laureates in hard sciences (Physics, Chemistry, Medicine) and then check out their biographies to see how many were born in the US.

    2. To figure where your taxes go, try a little math of the simplest kind. The US “defense” budget is over $700 billion, which translates into $2,333 per year for every man, woman, and child, or $6.40 per day. All to defend you from non-existing enemies: the last time the US was attacked was December 7, 1941 (!), Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. By comparison, the NIH budget is $32 billion per year, so a US resident contributes to science all of $107 per year, or 29c per day in taxes.

    3. Freedom is a sick joke. We elect a pathetic figurehead every four years. Even in that the real choosing is done before you in primaries (often rigged, as in case of Clinton), so on the day of presidential elections you have a choice between shit and even bigger shit. You are perfectly free to decide which shit is bigger. Up to a point: even though Gore won Florida in 2000, Bush Jr was declared the winner and got presidency (strictly speaking, I should say Dick Cheney won). However, the real power that determines policy remains the same, regardless of the particular clown in the White House.

    4. Stupidity is the shortest description of the US Congress and the government. It is in fact avarice of their campaign donors, but their blinding greed is so shortsighted that it becomes stupidity. If it weren’t for the stupidest foreign policy imaginable, the US could have been on the top of the heap for another 30-40 years, and then would slide down gradually, like all dominant empires before it. But incessant provoking of Russia and China at the same time along with rampant borrowing to feed insatiable Pentagon contractors speeds up our demise.

    5. TV. FYI, I did not watch TV for the last 15 years, American or any other. I wouldn’t trust a word MSM are saying, as the freedom of the press only means that the owners of papers and TV channels make presstitutes (Churchill’s term) spew whatever BS they need to maximize their profits.

    Have no time for more, as I need to do my “soft” science: in my field hard experimental data trump any theories.

    You miss really important words like “was”, “then” and “now”.

    1) Yes, that is NOW.

    2) Loads of university research budgets are from branches of the military.
    I did not argue that our military is not the bully of the world, and by far the biggest, along with a tremendous waste of money for the taxpayers like me. That doesn’t change the fact that my tax money is what pays your stipend or salary.

    3) There is not much freedom here NOW. I’m not joking when I’m writing about the past. Again “now” does not mean “then”, OK? Do you have verb tenses in Russian, BTW?

    4) Absolutely! I have no argument with this one paragraph. Why is it there?

    5) I am glad you eschew the idiot box as I do. More power to you (and less to your house).

    Get caught up on reading comprehension, especially the difference between the past and the present, don’t argue about what I am not arguing about, and take the time to look way, way up there, at my first reply to you, and then we can have a better convo. Otherwise, yeah, get back to work. I just sent in my taxes 3 weeks back, so there should be no lack of funds.

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    There is not much freedom here NOW.
     
    We can all agree with that. Do you think the decline of freedom has come about because the system was flawed right from the start? I'm personally inclined to think that representative democracy leads inevitably to tyranny. So maybe the loss of freedom was inevitable? A rotten tree can only produce rotten fruit.

    Or maybe the freedom you thought you had in the past was mostly an illusion?
    , @AnonFromTN
    Your position has one little problem: tomorrow grows out of today, not out of the glorious past (which may be a myth for all we know).
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  187. @Anon
    It’s very very different in the US. The longer a person goes to college and gets higher degrees the more they believe the brainwashing.

    And the interview process to get an academic job involved asking probing questions about race immigration etc.

    Any academic who says in the interview that he or she plans to only teach the subject won’t be hired. A person who plans to mix whatever the liberal propaganda de jour with math, physics hard science is hired.

    I don’t know, this sounds like a humanities thing (PC BS trumps reality). I interviewed in 2001, largely for a position for doing biomedical research, with my condition that I only want to teach grad students (want to teach people who want to learn, rather than just get a good score), and my PC never came into the discussions. I had a few URM undergrads in my lab by that time (I still hold that quality, as well as laziness and stupidity, comes in all colors), but nobody even asked me about that. The only two things the Department was interested in were my current funding and the number and quality of published papers (as a predictor of future funding). Seemed cynical, but reasonable. Maybe things changed since then.

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  188. Thirdeye says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The problem is simple, good education increases social differences.
    In all western countries politicians did not want this, in the Netherlands it began around 1960.
    The result, an academic degree of today is equivalent to a gymnasium education of 1960.
    It has been argued here that USA military technology is far behind Russia and China, if so, this may be the result.
    Another result, in my opinion, stupid politicians.
    Thilo Sarrazin, 'Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen', München 2010
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London

    Lasch was a good read. Definitely helped evolve my view of the culture wars. The rot of the West in the last 40 or so years has resoundingly confirmed Lasch’s thesis, IMO.

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  189. Thirdeye says:
    @Quartermaster
    Neither Russia or China's military technology exceeds ours. China is still trying to steal ours, and Russia is pathetically behind us. The super weapons Putin announced don't exist.

    Yes, I’m sure the Russians envy our ability to get 22 on-target strikes out of 103 launches like the last time in Syria.

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  190. Thirdeye says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, I realize the USSR has been gone for 30 years, and it is Russia now. Your comprehension is not up to American standards yet, as my "back to the USSR" reference was from the Beatles, who sang this way,way back in the middle of the Cold War.

    Ronald Reagan had lots to do with the ending of the Cold War. Of course, the Communist central planning can not hold up forever, but the USSR could afford to put so much into military forces and hardware when the people had squat-all to say about it (kinda like the way it's gotten here, right?) You should read on the Reykjavik conference, in which the "Star Wars" technology (not really close to practical at that time) was used as a bluff to give Gorbachev the idea that the USSR would get bankrupted by another hardware race.

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990's. He was not president at that time. I'm don't know what kind of shape he was in during the latter part of his 2nd term, but the Cold War got taken care of. As far as your contention that he bankrupted us, the borrowing has been building for 50 years - Reagan had a deal with the D's who ran the congress (it spends the money, see) that cuts would be made in social programs to match the build up in military spending to end the Cold War. The Dems reneged, as anyone now might expect. However, just like with the '86 Amnesty deal, Reagan was way too trusting in his countryman in office - he grew up in a different era where people could be trusted more. Yeah, he fucked up in that sense.

    Not the least of these was an attempt to “plan” the production of consumer products, instead of letting the market forces determine what is needed and when. Besides, communism is a religion. Like every religion, it is a pack of lies. Having religion as the state ideology dooms any country.
     
    You are preaching to the choir here, Anon. However, I don't agree with any involvement by Feral government in anything not specified in the US Constitution, as spelled out very clearly in Amendment X. You should have been tested on the document in 1991, speaking of education. At least I know you didn't cheat off the internet. ;-}

    Education in this country was the best, at both grade school level and higher education before the US Gov't was at all involved. You do know that the Dept. of Ed. was created during the Jimmy Carter admin. as a payoff for the teacher's union's support of him in the 1976 election, don't you? Of course not, you weren't here. Before that, some functions, but much more minor were lumped into the old HEW (Health, Education, and Welfare). Now we have the Dept. of Motherland Security that sounds exactly like the kind of thing you guys had 30 years ago and further back.

    I like your Brezhnev joke, but you should be aware that the same Lyin' Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years, and even earlier during the Reagan/Ford competition for R-candidate in 1976 and '80. Please don't get your history off of the Lyin' Press. I was there. I never heard that joke about Reagan, though, just "Ronnie Raygun" slurs, because he didn't want us to unilaterally disarm.

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990′s.

    1992 was when it was publicly disclosed, not the original diagnosis. According to John Stockwell, who as a former CIA officer was trained to watch for health indicators for intel purposes, he had been showing signs of neurological deterioration for years. His meltdown during the first debate with Walter Mondale in 1984 flashed his deterioration in front of the public. His freeze-up in response to the Iran-Contra scandal caused senior officials to discuss invoking the 25th Amendment. His public profile was extremely low his last two years in office.

    ……the same Lyin’ Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years….

    The Lyin’ Press fawned over Reagan for not being Carter. The kid-glove treatment the Lyin’ Press gave Reagan led to his status as the “Teflon President” even after high profile fiascos like the Lebanon mission. But we could still beat Grenada, so it was all good.

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    I don't agree with your assesment, as I was there, Thirdeye. Reagan was called the "Teflon President" BY the press, as they didn't have anything really big on him to pull another Nixon/Agnew deal on him. Mr. Reagan had the type of personality that made it hard for most people to dislike him at all. That irked the press mightily, and it didn't stop the reporters from calling him "Ronnie Raygun" and always working against efforts to fight the Commies in central America (whether rightly or wrongly - sometimes).

    Reagan was still given a hard time throughout his 2 terms by the Lyin' Press, but it was not 24/7, as most people still just watched the national news for 1/2 hour nightly, if at all. They could only do so much back then. That's unlike the modern method of infotainment, in which some small story goes on for weeks to make it "the big story".

    I am NO fan of either of the Bushes, not in the least, but I can remember how well Obama and Clinton were treated by the press vs. the Bushes and Reagan.

    I don't really trust details from the Lyin' Press on Reagan's fitness for office. I've heard many stories, some of which say he was senile and some not. One thing he did was pick the right people around him, unlike what our current President has done. Those that say he wasn't a bright man, at least in his prime, are full of it, as I've read a book of his own-written radio talks from when he was in broadcasting. The stuff he wrote is of the quality that current politicians' expert speech writers can't match. Perhaps even Reagan's own, Peggy Noonan, did not have the quality of Mr. Reagan's writing.

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  191. Thirdeye says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

    I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).

    The gap between credentials and problem-solving ability, really the core attribute of a good engineer, can be amazing among South Asians. Grinding for exams just doesn’t do it.

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    If you mean dot-Indians, yes that's true. One can have a great math background but have never worked with anything mechanical (or electrical for EE) and be a poor engineer. Somewhat along the lines of what Mr. Russian-in-Tennessee wrote, you've got to see a lot of things in order to be creative (he says "have lots of education", but I think it's a matter of having seen lots of things work and having taken things apart.)

    Slightly off the subject, but regarding the spelling errors, I do agree with our principled investigator here that doing lots of reading makes one a good spelling. That means, typos aside, one can tell someone does not do lots of reading if he has loads of ridiculous spelling errors. However, as I've written to our host almost a year ago in these comments (Derb, I mean), the homonyms are a special case. I here the words in my head as I right on-line, and I have caught SO MANY wrong-homonyms, because I just typed what I herd. (It's easier to see those 3 in the last sentence afterwards!)

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  192. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about the US before 1991.
     
    I can tell that. So, why are your spouting BS about Richard Nixon? He died about 3 years after you came here. Nixon took the US off of real money, the gold standard, because the French government wanted to return their US dollars of that real money. Inflation started forthwith and didn't end to Carter-appointed FED chairman Volcker raised interest rates to the sky.

    Nixon's paranoid Watergate silliness and cover-up thereof caused 4-6 years of "malaise", in the words of the best President since Ike or Coolidge. That was one Ronald Reagan, a president without which you would still be "back, back in the USSR! - 'those Ukraine girls really knock me out, and leave the West behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout that Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind!" Yes, the Beatles were joking.

    If you don't know the history, don't speculate - do some reading. I may badmouth the humanities as a way to get a mortgage-sized debt after 5 years of living-large, with no house or family to show for it, but I have nothing against someone learning this stuff on his own dime. Coincidentally, that brings me back to the subject:

    For us only American grad students are cheap workforce, as they can be placed on training grants that pay their tuition and stipend. Foreign students are a lot more expensive, but people are willing to pay more for quality.
     
    Quality, bullcrap. I've seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that's not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people). They and the Chinese cheat like hell, and the students can't understand them when they teach classes. I know where the money comes from - the US taxpayer any way you figure it. You know that too.

    You are right that there are smart people all over the world. They should do research all over the world, say, like where they live.

    Quality, bullcrap. I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).

    Sounds like a caste issue. (Avoidance of manual labor.)

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.

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    Yeah, I agree, and though there aren't castes in China, I see some of the same. Guys might be good with their hands, but the problem is that Chinese women don't respect men that work with their hands (perhaps 'cause the quality sucks? - no that's not it, really.) Guys don't get respect from woman for working that kind of job, and it's quite a bit different in America. Women in China will respect some corrupt government guy because he makes a lot of dough via bribery over an honest guy who's a locksmith or carpenter. It's a shame.

    Well, most guys are going to do what gets them respect, even more-so in China where the lack of a moral compass is the norm. Both Indian and Chinese engineering students may think that doing anything physical is beneath them, but it doesn't help if they are indeed mechanically declined:

    http://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Mechanically_Declined.gif
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.
     
    That's an interesting point, too. Surgeons all went through medical school and some general internship, but after a while they've just been cutting on people. Other doctors probably say that the surgeons don't have to do any hard thinking, while the surgeons probably say the other doctors are mechanically declined, haha.
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  193. @Thirdeye

    Yes, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer, but in the 1990′s.
     
    1992 was when it was publicly disclosed, not the original diagnosis. According to John Stockwell, who as a former CIA officer was trained to watch for health indicators for intel purposes, he had been showing signs of neurological deterioration for years. His meltdown during the first debate with Walter Mondale in 1984 flashed his deterioration in front of the public. His freeze-up in response to the Iran-Contra scandal caused senior officials to discuss invoking the 25th Amendment. His public profile was extremely low his last two years in office.

    ......the same Lyin’ Press we have today hated Ronald Reagan with a passion throughout those 8 years....
     
    The Lyin' Press fawned over Reagan for not being Carter. The kid-glove treatment the Lyin' Press gave Reagan led to his status as the "Teflon President" even after high profile fiascos like the Lebanon mission. But we could still beat Grenada, so it was all good.

    I don’t agree with your assesment, as I was there, Thirdeye. Reagan was called the “Teflon President” BY the press, as they didn’t have anything really big on him to pull another Nixon/Agnew deal on him. Mr. Reagan had the type of personality that made it hard for most people to dislike him at all. That irked the press mightily, and it didn’t stop the reporters from calling him “Ronnie Raygun” and always working against efforts to fight the Commies in central America (whether rightly or wrongly – sometimes).

    Reagan was still given a hard time throughout his 2 terms by the Lyin’ Press, but it was not 24/7, as most people still just watched the national news for 1/2 hour nightly, if at all. They could only do so much back then. That’s unlike the modern method of infotainment, in which some small story goes on for weeks to make it “the big story”.

    I am NO fan of either of the Bushes, not in the least, but I can remember how well Obama and Clinton were treated by the press vs. the Bushes and Reagan.

    I don’t really trust details from the Lyin’ Press on Reagan’s fitness for office. I’ve heard many stories, some of which say he was senile and some not. One thing he did was pick the right people around him, unlike what our current President has done. Those that say he wasn’t a bright man, at least in his prime, are full of it, as I’ve read a book of his own-written radio talks from when he was in broadcasting. The stuff he wrote is of the quality that current politicians’ expert speech writers can’t match. Perhaps even Reagan’s own, Peggy Noonan, did not have the quality of Mr. Reagan’s writing.

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    I remember "Ronnie Raygun" having currency within the student-activist milieu, but not really anywhere else.

    IMO his personality got him a lot of mileage with the press and even with Congressional Democrats who opposed nearly everything he stood for. He was a very amiable, folksy guy. That was in contrast to Carter, who behind his famous fake smile was known to be a vindictive, sanctimonious, untrustworthy prick. When Reagan came on the scene, the Washington regulars were just relieved to be breathing air without Carter's personal stench. And of course Reagan's juggernaut electoral victories didn't exactly incline people to oppose him. One thing I see in common between Reagan and Trump is their sense of theater, which seems to confound those who do not appreciate its political value. Reagan's theater and orating background gave him something Noonan's PR background couldn't.

    Clinton and Obama had their perfect foils in those who they succeeded. Bush Pere was cold, distant, and condescending. Clinton was all up close and personal. Bush Fils was dumb, which he parlayed into a winning trait against the supercilious Lord Fauntleroy Gore, but the consequences of such stupidity were unbearable after a few years and along came a witty smart guy, Obama.
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  194. @Thirdeye

    I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).
     
    The gap between credentials and problem-solving ability, really the core attribute of a good engineer, can be amazing among South Asians. Grinding for exams just doesn't do it.

    If you mean dot-Indians, yes that’s true. One can have a great math background but have never worked with anything mechanical (or electrical for EE) and be a poor engineer. Somewhat along the lines of what Mr. Russian-in-Tennessee wrote, you’ve got to see a lot of things in order to be creative (he says “have lots of education”, but I think it’s a matter of having seen lots of things work and having taken things apart.)

    Slightly off the subject, but regarding the spelling errors, I do agree with our principled investigator here that doing lots of reading makes one a good spelling. That means, typos aside, one can tell someone does not do lots of reading if he has loads of ridiculous spelling errors. However, as I’ve written to our host almost a year ago in these comments (Derb, I mean), the homonyms are a special case. I here the words in my head as I right on-line, and I have caught SO MANY wrong-homonyms, because I just typed what I herd. (It’s easier to see those 3 in the last sentence afterwards!)

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  195. @manorchurch

    My Italian is very limited, mostly restaurant vocabulary. But the fact that they pronounce words exactly as written struck me, as this is not true in English, Russian, Ukrainian, or French (particularly French).
     
    Written language is just symbols. Don't attribute deep meaning to symbols. Attribute meaning to that which the symbol represents.

    That's the meaning of life, right there. At no charge to you. ;-)

    There is this thing called phonics, phonetic alphabets, particularly the greek and roman ones. The whole point of phonics is that the individual letters are suppose to symbolize the sounds you make when you say the word. I don’t think anyone is attributing deep meaning to them, he was complaining that some of the phonetic languages of europe abuse the crap out of their phonics.

    For instance, if you spell “france”, which is pronounced ‘frans’, “francelloisieouiselle’ but everything after the c is considered silent, you have abused the roman alphabet.

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    There is this thing called phonics, phonetic alphabets, particularly the greek and roman ones.
     
    So what? Is the written letter 'A' the actual sound, or is it a symbol for the sound?
    , @Lars Porsena
    It's the symbol for the sound of course, unless you're speaking in a language that decided to make it silent, or make it sound like a K.
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  196. @Anonymous

    Quality, bullcrap. I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).
     
    Sounds like a caste issue. (Avoidance of manual labor.)

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.

    Yeah, I agree, and though there aren’t castes in China, I see some of the same. Guys might be good with their hands, but the problem is that Chinese women don’t respect men that work with their hands (perhaps ’cause the quality sucks? – no that’s not it, really.) Guys don’t get respect from woman for working that kind of job, and it’s quite a bit different in America. Women in China will respect some corrupt government guy because he makes a lot of dough via bribery over an honest guy who’s a locksmith or carpenter. It’s a shame.

    Well, most guys are going to do what gets them respect, even more-so in China where the lack of a moral compass is the norm. Both Indian and Chinese engineering students may think that doing anything physical is beneath them, but it doesn’t help if they are indeed mechanically declined:

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  197. AndrewR says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I'm not nearly as sanguine about Hispanics as you are, but since I'm also not one of those crazy white nationalist types, I do agree with you that white nationalist thinking is often sloppy at best. For instance, white nationalists rarely if ever distinguish between the obviously superior performance of many African immigrant groups in this country versus the lackluster performance of African Americans, both educationally and behaviorally.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

    The possibility that there may be cognitively elite subgroups such as the Igbo or the Yoruba surely would one of the most interesting discoveries of HBD and perhaps offer some hopeful path forward for an obviously bad situation in that part of the world. Alas, apart from morbidly fantasizing about feral blacks holding knives to his children's throats, I haven't really seen Derbyshire ever discussing these sorts of far more interesting things...

    I grew up in Texas and participated in competitive mathematics in high school and I seem to remember that there were a particular group of schools with large Hispanic populations down in the McAllen-Edinburg-Mission area that actually had a number of high performing Hispanics, a few who were particularly renowned for their competitive mathematics prowess.

    Were they more Julián Castro “Hispanic” or were they more Jorge Ramos “Hispanic”?

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  198. Thirdeye says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't agree with your assesment, as I was there, Thirdeye. Reagan was called the "Teflon President" BY the press, as they didn't have anything really big on him to pull another Nixon/Agnew deal on him. Mr. Reagan had the type of personality that made it hard for most people to dislike him at all. That irked the press mightily, and it didn't stop the reporters from calling him "Ronnie Raygun" and always working against efforts to fight the Commies in central America (whether rightly or wrongly - sometimes).

    Reagan was still given a hard time throughout his 2 terms by the Lyin' Press, but it was not 24/7, as most people still just watched the national news for 1/2 hour nightly, if at all. They could only do so much back then. That's unlike the modern method of infotainment, in which some small story goes on for weeks to make it "the big story".

    I am NO fan of either of the Bushes, not in the least, but I can remember how well Obama and Clinton were treated by the press vs. the Bushes and Reagan.

    I don't really trust details from the Lyin' Press on Reagan's fitness for office. I've heard many stories, some of which say he was senile and some not. One thing he did was pick the right people around him, unlike what our current President has done. Those that say he wasn't a bright man, at least in his prime, are full of it, as I've read a book of his own-written radio talks from when he was in broadcasting. The stuff he wrote is of the quality that current politicians' expert speech writers can't match. Perhaps even Reagan's own, Peggy Noonan, did not have the quality of Mr. Reagan's writing.

    I remember “Ronnie Raygun” having currency within the student-activist milieu, but not really anywhere else.

    IMO his personality got him a lot of mileage with the press and even with Congressional Democrats who opposed nearly everything he stood for. He was a very amiable, folksy guy. That was in contrast to Carter, who behind his famous fake smile was known to be a vindictive, sanctimonious, untrustworthy prick. When Reagan came on the scene, the Washington regulars were just relieved to be breathing air without Carter’s personal stench. And of course Reagan’s juggernaut electoral victories didn’t exactly incline people to oppose him. One thing I see in common between Reagan and Trump is their sense of theater, which seems to confound those who do not appreciate its political value. Reagan’s theater and orating background gave him something Noonan’s PR background couldn’t.

    Clinton and Obama had their perfect foils in those who they succeeded. Bush Pere was cold, distant, and condescending. Clinton was all up close and personal. Bush Fils was dumb, which he parlayed into a winning trait against the supercilious Lord Fauntleroy Gore, but the consequences of such stupidity were unbearable after a few years and along came a witty smart guy, Obama.

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    You had me until ... "witty smart guy, .... Øb☭ma ..."

    It's OK, the last time had to visit the porcelain goddess like this was after that big black&white cookie from Duncan Donuts.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyway, good comment. It sounds like you are familiar with the era. Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful response.

    BTW, I can't stand Peggy Noonan, and that goes back about 15 years at least, to when I used to read the WS Journal.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Obama neither smart nor all that witty. Portrayed as such, of course.
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  199. @Lars Porsena
    There is this thing called phonics, phonetic alphabets, particularly the greek and roman ones. The whole point of phonics is that the individual letters are suppose to symbolize the sounds you make when you say the word. I don't think anyone is attributing deep meaning to them, he was complaining that some of the phonetic languages of europe abuse the crap out of their phonics.

    For instance, if you spell "france", which is pronounced 'frans', "francelloisieouiselle' but everything after the c is considered silent, you have abused the roman alphabet.

    There is this thing called phonics, phonetic alphabets, particularly the greek and roman ones.

    So what? Is the written letter ‘A’ the actual sound, or is it a symbol for the sound?

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  200. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Yan Shen

    The recent history of modern public-education reform in this country is very nearly a history of the determination on the part of white and East Asian parents that their children not attend schools with too many black and Hispanic students.
     
    I thought it was well known that whites not only flee from school districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics, but also that they flee from highly competitive school districts dominated by East Asians? I don't think your grouping of Ice People versus Sun People is nearly as useful as you think it to be, given that not only are whites and East Asians at cultural loggerheads in this country, but blacks and Hispanics also often seem to be at one another's throats as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/nyregion/reforms-to-ease-students-stress-divide-a-new-jersey-school-district.html

    It seems very clear to me that East Asian cultural values are unique and distinct from those of blacks, Hispanics, and whites alike today. This cultural and behavioral schism is of far greater importance in my opinion than the idea sometimes promoted here that wink, wink, nod, nod, blacks are the real outliers and if only Americans of white, Asian, and Hispanic backgrounds lived together in harmony, everything would be okay in this country. I tend to doubt such sanguine conclusions.

    Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics are when it comes to crappy cultural values, a point I tried to make earlier. Really, if someone like me doesn't try to talk some sense into my fellow Americans, I'm pretty sure the John Derbyshires and Ta-Nehisi Coates of the world would basically burn this country into the ground. I'd rather not have that happen, because I'm an American and I love America.

    https://www.unz.com/article/americas-cultural-revolution-the-obsession-with-self-esteem/

    One of the most interesting paradoxes of John Derbyshire, in my opinion, is that despite supposedly being very well read on China, he actually acts, well, white in the manner that he conducts himself. I could easily imagine a scholar like Richard Nisbett reading the thoughts of the Derb and shaking his head over just how obviously Mr. Derbyshire conforms to all of his written work on East-West differences. Fundamental attribution error, check. Obsession with innate dispositions, check...

    So, you’re a fence-sitting pus*y. I understand. A lot of smart well meaning people are, hell many of my friends and family. Good luck with that. It doesn’t turn out well in the long run. I love America, he says, ai a i ai.

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  201. @Thirdeye
    I remember "Ronnie Raygun" having currency within the student-activist milieu, but not really anywhere else.

    IMO his personality got him a lot of mileage with the press and even with Congressional Democrats who opposed nearly everything he stood for. He was a very amiable, folksy guy. That was in contrast to Carter, who behind his famous fake smile was known to be a vindictive, sanctimonious, untrustworthy prick. When Reagan came on the scene, the Washington regulars were just relieved to be breathing air without Carter's personal stench. And of course Reagan's juggernaut electoral victories didn't exactly incline people to oppose him. One thing I see in common between Reagan and Trump is their sense of theater, which seems to confound those who do not appreciate its political value. Reagan's theater and orating background gave him something Noonan's PR background couldn't.

    Clinton and Obama had their perfect foils in those who they succeeded. Bush Pere was cold, distant, and condescending. Clinton was all up close and personal. Bush Fils was dumb, which he parlayed into a winning trait against the supercilious Lord Fauntleroy Gore, but the consequences of such stupidity were unbearable after a few years and along came a witty smart guy, Obama.

    You had me until … “witty smart guy, …. Øb☭ma …”

    It’s OK, the last time had to visit the porcelain goddess like this was after that big black&white cookie from Duncan Donuts.

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  202. @Anonymous

    Quality, bullcrap. I’ve seen Indian engineering grad students that have never used a screwdriver or wrench (no, that’s not engineering itself, but with no grounding in physical stuff, they are are just pie-in-the-sky theory people).
     
    Sounds like a caste issue. (Avoidance of manual labor.)

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.

    It would be similar to the old distinction between doctors and surgeons.

    That’s an interesting point, too. Surgeons all went through medical school and some general internship, but after a while they’ve just been cutting on people. Other doctors probably say that the surgeons don’t have to do any hard thinking, while the surgeons probably say the other doctors are mechanically declined, haha.

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  203. @Thirdeye
    I remember "Ronnie Raygun" having currency within the student-activist milieu, but not really anywhere else.

    IMO his personality got him a lot of mileage with the press and even with Congressional Democrats who opposed nearly everything he stood for. He was a very amiable, folksy guy. That was in contrast to Carter, who behind his famous fake smile was known to be a vindictive, sanctimonious, untrustworthy prick. When Reagan came on the scene, the Washington regulars were just relieved to be breathing air without Carter's personal stench. And of course Reagan's juggernaut electoral victories didn't exactly incline people to oppose him. One thing I see in common between Reagan and Trump is their sense of theater, which seems to confound those who do not appreciate its political value. Reagan's theater and orating background gave him something Noonan's PR background couldn't.

    Clinton and Obama had their perfect foils in those who they succeeded. Bush Pere was cold, distant, and condescending. Clinton was all up close and personal. Bush Fils was dumb, which he parlayed into a winning trait against the supercilious Lord Fauntleroy Gore, but the consequences of such stupidity were unbearable after a few years and along came a witty smart guy, Obama.

    Anyway, good comment. It sounds like you are familiar with the era. Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful response.

    BTW, I can’t stand Peggy Noonan, and that goes back about 15 years at least, to when I used to read the WS Journal.

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  204. @KenH

    Upper West Side Ice People have held their own this past ten years and even made some advances.
     
    It helps when you're in the upper income tax bracket. Their access to top flight legal resources and connections to powerful people enables them to beat back efforts at diversifying. Poor, working class and middle class whites don't have this luxury and must suffer in silence as their schools and neighborhoods are slowly destroyed via forced diversification.

    Here in Los Angeles, there aren’t even majority-white schools to flee to without leaving the City and, often, the whole County. And Orange County is changing fast and clearly the next to go.

    Short of homeschooling or a very expensive private school, the least bad option here can be seeking out a majority-Chinese or otherwise majority-Asian public school.

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    the least bad option here can be seeking out a majority-Chinese or otherwise majority-Asian public school
     
    For a white student, and white parents, that solution has upsides and downsides.

    The downside is that your kid is around a lot of people (Asians) who have no social skills and no extra-curricular pursuits. So forget your child's other talents like music, sports or non-academic interests. In sum, he/she won't be well rounded or socially at ease - and that could be a VERY big hindrance in White American society.

    The upside is that Asian parents are extremely demanding of schools when it comes to hard skills and know-how, so your kid will get very little SJW bullshit, and will be focusing on subjects like mathematics and science. The standards will be high and strictly enforced, so your kid will be pretty competent coming out of there.

    No free lunch.
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  205. @Travis
    California does have far fewer Blacks than most States....just 7% of the population in CA is Black , while 14% of Americans are Black.

    Here in the Northeast, NY and NJ , the Black population is 18% (more than double the Black pop of California)

    NJ is NOT 18% African; it’s about 13%.

    Big difference, and thank God, they have enough problems already.

    NJ is, however, 17% Hispanic/Latino (don’t know the racial breakdown of that group), which reflects a terribly fast increase from a fraction of that just a few decades ago.

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  206. @anon
    Here are the stats from PS 199 and PS 191 per greatschools.com:

    PS 199: Jesse Isador Straus(K-5), 270 W 70th St., NYC

    Demographics:
    66% white
    14% Hispanic
    13% Asian or Pacific Islander
    6% two or more races
    1% black

    Test scores (% proficient):
    Math: 85% all students
    - White: 87%
    - Hispanic: 70%
    - Asian: 91%

    English: 80% all students
    - White: 83%
    - Hispanic: 66%
    - Asian: 88%

    PS 191 Amsterdam (PK-8), 300 W 61st St., NY, NY 10023
    Demographics:
    46% hispanic
    33% Black
    12% White
    8% Asian
    1% two or more races

    Test Scores: (% proficient)
    English: 26% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 20%
    - Black: 29%

    Math: 14% (all students)
    - Hispanic: 8%
    - Black: 16%

    I have never seen a school that has pre-school through 8th grade all in the same building (PS191), can't imagine 8th graders alongside pre-school kids, how safe is that for the younger kids, esp. given the demographics?

    I wouldn’t even want our kids immersed in either of the two deadly demographics — African or Mexican/Latino — if they were the SAME age.

    You’re right, and we shouldn’t even have fifth-graders in the same building with eighth-graders, particularly with these savage demographics.

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  207. @the one they call Desanex
    I wonder that Richard Carranza has the nerve to grow that skimpy beard, since his Mexican paisanos would inevitably compare it, unfavorably, with the famous beard of his namesake, Venustiano Carranza, the 37th President of Mexico.
    http://www.eventsloscabos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cien-peso-mill-mexico-4614-2.jpg
    I know about Carranza because several years ago, when I let my beard grow out pretty long, the Mexican chaps I worked with started calling me “Carranza”.

    How come Mexican presidents are all so white? Mexicans be so raciss.

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  208. @manorchurch

    In a piece of 1700 words on racial differences, wouldn’t you expect an honest observer to note, in perhaps one or two sentences, the stark difference between the often very nearly illitrate Hispanics in the US and the very differnt picture of, say, Mexican kids in Mexico?
     
    Yes, one would expect that. One might also ask why a "responsible, modern, education-oriented" regime, like that of Mexico, would dump its poor and uneducatable into the American kiddie pool?

    I do not want to pay to "educate" 2SD foreign brats. That's why there's laws against illegal border crossing, laws against hiring illegal aliens, and laws requiring citizenship or equivalence of children enrolled in public schools. I want those laws enforced in my country - just as diligently as those laws are enforced in Mexico.

    Kindly, reasonably, and eloquently put.

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  209. dfordoom says: • Website
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    Granted some of the Protestant preachers like James Hager are well paid lobbyists of Israel. And Pence is an ardent Zionist and is Vice President

    The majority of the Protestant churches are neutral on Zionism. Some are openly anti Zionist and actively involved in divest movement . There are a lot of Hispanic evangelical Protestant churches that ignore the Palestine Israel issue. The Catholics seem to stay out of the conflict

    You can’t blame all the Christian churches for the Zionism of a few.

    You can’t blame all the Christian churches for the Zionism of a few.

    I think he does have a point that American Protestants (I mean the rank and file not the leaderships) do seem to be quite enthusiastic about war.

    Perhaps it wasn’t always this way. I get the feeling that over the past half century or so being pro-war and being obscenely pro-military has become one of the badges of identity of American conservative Protestants. Maybe because it’s not really socially acceptable any more to express conservative social opinions but in America it will always be socially acceptable to be pro-war.

    Or maybe American conservative Protestants realise they lost the culture war and they’re hoping that they can restore things by bringing on Armageddon. They think that if they start enough wars for Jesus then Jesus will come back and fix things. Never underestimate the craziness of American Protestantism.

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    The Schofield Bible is a major "problem" as it is a distortion of both the Old and New Testaments.
    Early Christians were aware of the problematic qualities of the Old Testament, but they had no tools to undo the Soferim-Pharisees’ editing and restore the Palestinian text. The Pharisees (for it was the Pharisitic teaching that won the day among Jews) took over the Palestinian heritage as surely as King Macbeth took over Scotland. (The Jewish editing of the Bible has not stopped to this very day: CE Carlson1 and Steven Sizer2 noted that the Scofield Reference Bible, published by Oxford University Press, calls for the adoration of Israel in a more explicit way with each new edition being published: “With limitless advertising and promotion, it became the best-selling ‘bible’ in America and has remained so for 90 years. Scofield chose not to change the text of the King James Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and his notes weave parts of the Old and New Testaments together as though they were written at the same time by the same people.” The first edition was arranged and financed by ‘Samuel Untermeyer, a New York jew lawyer whose firm still exists today and one of the wealthiest and most powerful Zionists in America.’ This Zionist edition of the Bible is a source of the strange phenomenon of Christian Zionism.)
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  210. @Yan Shen

    The recent history of modern public-education reform in this country is very nearly a history of the determination on the part of white and East Asian parents that their children not attend schools with too many black and Hispanic students.
     
    I thought it was well known that whites not only flee from school districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics, but also that they flee from highly competitive school districts dominated by East Asians? I don't think your grouping of Ice People versus Sun People is nearly as useful as you think it to be, given that not only are whites and East Asians at cultural loggerheads in this country, but blacks and Hispanics also often seem to be at one another's throats as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/nyregion/reforms-to-ease-students-stress-divide-a-new-jersey-school-district.html

    It seems very clear to me that East Asian cultural values are unique and distinct from those of blacks, Hispanics, and whites alike today. This cultural and behavioral schism is of far greater importance in my opinion than the idea sometimes promoted here that wink, wink, nod, nod, blacks are the real outliers and if only Americans of white, Asian, and Hispanic backgrounds lived together in harmony, everything would be okay in this country. I tend to doubt such sanguine conclusions.

    Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics are when it comes to crappy cultural values, a point I tried to make earlier. Really, if someone like me doesn't try to talk some sense into my fellow Americans, I'm pretty sure the John Derbyshires and Ta-Nehisi Coates of the world would basically burn this country into the ground. I'd rather not have that happen, because I'm an American and I love America.

    https://www.unz.com/article/americas-cultural-revolution-the-obsession-with-self-esteem/

    One of the most interesting paradoxes of John Derbyshire, in my opinion, is that despite supposedly being very well read on China, he actually acts, well, white in the manner that he conducts himself. I could easily imagine a scholar like Richard Nisbett reading the thoughts of the Derb and shaking his head over just how obviously Mr. Derbyshire conforms to all of his written work on East-West differences. Fundamental attribution error, check. Obsession with innate dispositions, check...

    “Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values”, really? The “right-wing” or politically and/or socially conservative whites whom I know, including many of my family and friends, inculcate an ethic of hard work, honesty, and trying one’s best to take care of one’s family without burdening others whenever possible.

    Would you live in a “right-wing white” neighborhood or an African-”American” neighborhood if those were your only two options? Please.

    There are always many exceptions to patterns and averages, but patterns and averages often are based on meaningful, observable, systematically observed real-world differences between ethnoculturally identifiable groups of people.

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    “Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values”, really?

     

    He could be talking about the right-wing whites who are into cop worship and military worship and endless wars for Israel. Those are pretty crappy cultural values. Or he could be talking about the Republicans who think that the only thing that matters is tax cuts for the rich. Those are pretty crappy cultural values as well.

    We need to be honest. There are plenty of crappy cultural values on both left and right.
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  211. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You miss really important words like "was", "then" and "now".

    1) Yes, that is NOW.

    2) Loads of university research budgets are from branches of the military.
    I did not argue that our military is not the bully of the world, and by far the biggest, along with a tremendous waste of money for the taxpayers like me. That doesn't change the fact that my tax money is what pays your stipend or salary.

    3) There is not much freedom here NOW. I'm not joking when I'm writing about the past. Again "now" does not mean "then", OK? Do you have verb tenses in Russian, BTW?

    4) Absolutely! I have no argument with this one paragraph. Why is it there?

    5) I am glad you eschew the idiot box as I do. More power to you (and less to your house).

    Get caught up on reading comprehension, especially the difference between the past and the present, don't argue about what I am not arguing about, and take the time to look way, way up there, at my first reply to you, and then we can have a better convo. Otherwise, yeah, get back to work. I just sent in my taxes 3 weeks back, so there should be no lack of funds.

    There is not much freedom here NOW.

    We can all agree with that. Do you think the decline of freedom has come about because the system was flawed right from the start? I’m personally inclined to think that representative democracy leads inevitably to tyranny. So maybe the loss of freedom was inevitable? A rotten tree can only produce rotten fruit.

    Or maybe the freedom you thought you had in the past was mostly an illusion?

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    Or maybe the freedom you thought you had in the past was mostly an illusion?
     
    Nope, I was there and not on any (abnormal) drugs. No TSA, no Dept. of Ed., no random DUI stops allowed, no government phone spying (on EVERYBODY), long guns on racks in the back of unlocked pickup trucks, a school with every single employee besides the janitor and principal teaching class and teaching whatever they all decided to teach, 18 y/o's could buy beer and wine, including at a drive-through window, cigarettes would come out of a machine (and no, I never smoked), drive-in movies showing XX movies in the middle of a soybean field (I know, right?), and that was just in 2 minutes of thinking.

    You are right that representative democracy leads to tyranny. That's why the founders of this country did not implement it. The country was a Constitutional Republic, until the average person didn't know that it was, and then it wasn't anymore.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply, but I got kinda bummed out writing that one....
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  212. @dfordoom

    There is not much freedom here NOW.
     
    We can all agree with that. Do you think the decline of freedom has come about because the system was flawed right from the start? I'm personally inclined to think that representative democracy leads inevitably to tyranny. So maybe the loss of freedom was inevitable? A rotten tree can only produce rotten fruit.

    Or maybe the freedom you thought you had in the past was mostly an illusion?

    Or maybe the freedom you thought you had in the past was mostly an illusion?

    Nope, I was there and not on any (abnormal) drugs. No TSA, no Dept. of Ed., no random DUI stops allowed, no government phone spying (on EVERYBODY), long guns on racks in the back of unlocked pickup trucks, a school with every single employee besides the janitor and principal teaching class and teaching whatever they all decided to teach, 18 y/o’s could buy beer and wine, including at a drive-through window, cigarettes would come out of a machine (and no, I never smoked), drive-in movies showing XX movies in the middle of a soybean field (I know, right?), and that was just in 2 minutes of thinking.

    You are right that representative democracy leads to tyranny. That’s why the founders of this country did not implement it. The country was a Constitutional Republic, until the average person didn’t know that it was, and then it wasn’t anymore.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply, but I got kinda bummed out writing that one….

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  213. dfordoom says: • Website
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    "Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values", really? The "right-wing" or politically and/or socially conservative whites whom I know, including many of my family and friends, inculcate an ethic of hard work, honesty, and trying one's best to take care of one's family without burdening others whenever possible.

    Would you live in a "right-wing white" neighborhood or an African-"American" neighborhood if those were your only two options? Please.

    There are always many exceptions to patterns and averages, but patterns and averages often are based on meaningful, observable, systematically observed real-world differences between ethnoculturally identifiable groups of people.

    “Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values”, really?

    He could be talking about the right-wing whites who are into cop worship and military worship and endless wars for Israel. Those are pretty crappy cultural values. Or he could be talking about the Republicans who think that the only thing that matters is tax cuts for the rich. Those are pretty crappy cultural values as well.

    We need to be honest. There are plenty of crappy cultural values on both left and right.

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    You sound too sane to participate in a political discussion.
    As the popular wisdom has it, two things hurt the politicians in the US most: honesty and intelligence. If you are honest and intelligent at the same time, like Al Gore, you lose even the election you won.
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  214. myself says:
    @Mishra
    The article had me fairly impressed for the same reasons, until I hit this:

    Many in Japan were very offended by the new law, which was a violation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Japanese government protested, but the law remained, resulting in an increase in existing tensions between the two nations. Despite the increased tensions, it appeared that the U.S. Congress had decided that preserving the racial composition of the country was more important than promoting good ties with Japan.
     
    So our State Department is saying that our (racist!) desire to control immigration is to blame for World War II, but of course, only the part of WW2 which is not explained by Naziness.

    Overstated? Perhaps; perhaps not. But hard not to see The Agenda here. The European Theatre is explained by our (somewhat virtuous) desire to Fight Racism; the Pacific Theatre is explained by our (not quite so virtuous) Racism against Asian POCs. Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany.

    Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany

    We continue to debate the ATOMIC bombing of Japan. No one debates the conventional fire-bombing of Japan, only the nukes.

    If we’d had the atomic bombs before the Nazi surrender, I think we’d have used them on German cities without hesitation. I think there’s no difference there.

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    The 'Operation Meetinghouse' firebombing of Tokyo is most definitely still debated--generally condemned, even--to take just one example. Whether or not we'd have used nukes on Germany is arguable. I certainly can't say for sure; however the Germans' prosecution of their part of WWII was dramatically different from that of the Japanese.

    @dfordoom

    "American Protestants" tend to favor America's wars for much the same reason as most everyone else: they've been brainwashed since birth by the major media, school, and just about every other source of information available to them.

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  215. Mishra says:
    @myself

    Hence we continue to debate the morality of bombing Japan, but not Germany
     
    We continue to debate the ATOMIC bombing of Japan. No one debates the conventional fire-bombing of Japan, only the nukes.

    If we'd had the atomic bombs before the Nazi surrender, I think we'd have used them on German cities without hesitation. I think there's no difference there.

    The ‘Operation Meetinghouse’ firebombing of Tokyo is most definitely still debated–generally condemned, even–to take just one example. Whether or not we’d have used nukes on Germany is arguable. I certainly can’t say for sure; however the Germans’ prosecution of their part of WWII was dramatically different from that of the Japanese.

    “American Protestants” tend to favor America’s wars for much the same reason as most everyone else: they’ve been brainwashed since birth by the major media, school, and just about every other source of information available to them.

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  216. myself says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Here in Los Angeles, there aren't even majority-white schools to flee to without leaving the City and, often, the whole County. And Orange County is changing fast and clearly the next to go.

    Short of homeschooling or a very expensive private school, the least bad option here can be seeking out a majority-Chinese or otherwise majority-Asian public school.

    the least bad option here can be seeking out a majority-Chinese or otherwise majority-Asian public school

    For a white student, and white parents, that solution has upsides and downsides.

    The downside is that your kid is around a lot of people (Asians) who have no social skills and no extra-curricular pursuits. So forget your child’s other talents like music, sports or non-academic interests. In sum, he/she won’t be well rounded or socially at ease – and that could be a VERY big hindrance in White American society.

    The upside is that Asian parents are extremely demanding of schools when it comes to hard skills and know-how, so your kid will get very little SJW bullshit, and will be focusing on subjects like mathematics and science. The standards will be high and strictly enforced, so your kid will be pretty competent coming out of there.

    No free lunch.

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    Nice consideration of the pros and cons of an American child in the majority-Asian education environment.

    I’ll note just two things. First, speaking only for our little slice of the elementary school, and needing more years to say more: our oldest child, who’s in the Chinese school, takes dance lessons and learns a third language on the weekend. Our next child, who starts that program in August, has the weekend language class and will be starting baseball soon. Let’s see about their friends and classmates as time goes by....

    Second, and I’m unfortunately not being sarcastic or humorous: who says that our kids will be in a white society or workplace? We live in LA and they won’t be in such an environment even if they leave, in much of California, Texas, Florida, New York, Chicago, Houston, etc.

    In Cali particularly, almost all types of professions including medicine, government, commercial and residential real estate investment and sales, and increasingly business and law and finance, aren’t majority white. Our kids will fit in better with the developing Chinese overclass than kids who don’t know mandarin and/or didn’t grow up with a lot of those folks.
    , @RadicalCenter
    In LA even majority-Asian government (“public”) schools will have leftist multicultural indoctrination.
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  217. @Achmed E. Newman
    You miss really important words like "was", "then" and "now".

    1) Yes, that is NOW.

    2) Loads of university research budgets are from branches of the military.
    I did not argue that our military is not the bully of the world, and by far the biggest, along with a tremendous waste of money for the taxpayers like me. That doesn't change the fact that my tax money is what pays your stipend or salary.

    3) There is not much freedom here NOW. I'm not joking when I'm writing about the past. Again "now" does not mean "then", OK? Do you have verb tenses in Russian, BTW?

    4) Absolutely! I have no argument with this one paragraph. Why is it there?

    5) I am glad you eschew the idiot box as I do. More power to you (and less to your house).

    Get caught up on reading comprehension, especially the difference between the past and the present, don't argue about what I am not arguing about, and take the time to look way, way up there, at my first reply to you, and then we can have a better convo. Otherwise, yeah, get back to work. I just sent in my taxes 3 weeks back, so there should be no lack of funds.

    Your position has one little problem: tomorrow grows out of today, not out of the glorious past (which may be a myth for all we know).

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    ... the glorious past (which may be a myth for all we know).
     
    If by "we" you mean "you" than your are extremely unaware, as you've been here for 28 years and have never even talked to anyone about how life in America (before it was Amerikka) Did you not get my reply to D-for-Doom? I thought you'd been reading all the comments. You could multiply everything I wrote in 2 minutes 10-fold.

    If you don't know the past, that means I think you are like many who would not know freedom if it came up and bit you on the ass. Yeah, there are many of you, and you are not worth defending the country for.

    A good example of your constrained thinking would be your insisting that government must be involved in education, when I just explained it didn't used to be much or at all, yet people learned more for less money spent. Like I said, you can take the man out of Communism, but you can't take Communism out of the man.
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  218. @dfordoom

    “Right-wing whites are just as bad as blacks and Hispanics when it comes to crappy cultural values”, really?

     

    He could be talking about the right-wing whites who are into cop worship and military worship and endless wars for Israel. Those are pretty crappy cultural values. Or he could be talking about the Republicans who think that the only thing that matters is tax cuts for the rich. Those are pretty crappy cultural values as well.

    We need to be honest. There are plenty of crappy cultural values on both left and right.

    You sound too sane to participate in a political discussion.
    As the popular wisdom has it, two things hurt the politicians in the US most: honesty and intelligence. If you are honest and intelligent at the same time, like Al Gore, you lose even the election you won.

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    Hey, at least your idol Richard Nixon was a smart guy - there's no argument about that. Just that paranoia thing, impersonal manner, and lack of understanding of sound money, pushing for civil-rites/AA BS, though, are enough for me to write him off as a good president.

    Now, you're bringing up Al Gore, inventor of the internet, weather-sage who predicted the end of snowfall*, and Business school** drop-out, as the go-to guy for honesty and intelligence? Heh, heh .. I can't even ... take you 1/2 seriously. You are starting to sound very ignorant, and I think you should stop sounding ignorant by just writing about what you know.

    .
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    * He's right, you know. I haven't seen any snowfall for months around these parts. That's it, I'm selling the sleds and skis on ebay to the first sucker who hasn't been keeping up with the Global Climate Disruption(TM) news.

    ** I know that you know how much of a joke business school is, if you've taken Calculus, Chemistry, and Physics. Dropping out of business school takes the kind of stupid that come in 55-Gallon drums.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Hey, at least your idol Richard Nixon was a smart guy - there's no argument about that. Just that paranoia thing, impersonal manner, and lack of understanding of sound money, pushing for civil-rites/AA BS, though, are enough for me to write him off as a good president.

    Now, you're bringing up Al Gore, inventor of the internet, weather-sage who predicted the end of snowfall*, and Business school** drop-out, as the go-to guy for honesty and intelligence? Heh, heh .. I can't even ... take you 1/2 seriously. You are starting to sound very ignorant, and I think you should stop sounding ignorant by just writing about what you know.

    .
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    * He's right, you know. I haven't seen any snowfall for months around these parts. That's it, I'm selling the sleds and skis on ebay to the first sucker who hasn't been keeping up with the Global Climate Disruption(TM) news.

    ** I know that you know how much of a joke business school is, if you've taken Calculus, Chemistry, and Physics. Dropping out of business school takes the kind of stupid that come in 55-Gallon drums.
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  219. @AnonFromTN
    Your position has one little problem: tomorrow grows out of today, not out of the glorious past (which may be a myth for all we know).

    … the glorious past (which may be a myth for all we know).

    If by “we” you mean “you” than your are extremely unaware, as you’ve been here for 28 years and have never even talked to anyone about how life in America (before it was Amerikka) Did you not get my reply to D-for-Doom? I thought you’d been reading all the comments. You could multiply everything I wrote in 2 minutes 10-fold.

    If you don’t know the past, that means I think you are like many who would not know freedom if it came up and bit you on the ass. Yeah, there are many of you, and you are not worth defending the country for.

    A good example of your constrained thinking would be your insisting that government must be involved in education, when I just explained it didn’t used to be much or at all, yet people learned more for less money spent. Like I said, you can take the man out of Communism, but you can’t take Communism out of the man.

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    A note on myths: if you are as old as you make it sound, you should have noticed that the grass was greener and the girls were sexier when we were younger.

    Speaking of Gore inventing the Internet: you don’t mention “lyin’ press” in this case. I wonder why. Not to mention that if we assign Gore’s intelligence the value of 100, the intelligence of Bush Jr would be in single digits. He is a serious competitor for the title of the dumbest president in the US history.

    Speaking of climate change: the climate does get warmer, that’s a fact (there is a big difference between climate and weather, though, which most people miss, intentionally or unintentionally). Two things are uncertain. One, human contribution: could be non-existent or significant, we don’t have sufficient data supporting either model. Two, we don’t know whether this is a short-term (geologically speaking, just several centuries) or long-term (many millions of years, like Mesozoic era) change. We should also remember that there were no humans or their activity in the Mesozoic era, but the climate was very warm.

    Regards.
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  220. @AnonFromTN
    You sound too sane to participate in a political discussion.
    As the popular wisdom has it, two things hurt the politicians in the US most: honesty and intelligence. If you are honest and intelligent at the same time, like Al Gore, you lose even the election you won.

    Hey, at least your idol Richard Nixon was a smart guy – there’s no argument about that. Jus