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Amy Wax, a tenured Professor of Law at the University of Pennsylvania is now being subjected to a SECOND Two Minutes Hate by our Emerging Totalitarian Left.

I should say—having some slight acquaintance with the lady—that Professor Wax is a formidable person to take on in combat, not only intellectually but also in personality. I classify her in my own mind with those feisty Jewish women in the Old Testament. I doubt Professor Wax has ever decapitated anyone, as Judith did, or hammered a tent-pin through anyone’s skull like Jael, but if you’re looking for a fight, she’ll give you one.

Amy Wax is also an extremely smart person. Her first choice of career was medicine, in pursuit of which she was awarded an M.D. cum laude by Harvard Medical School, after studies at Yale and the University of Oxford. She then switched to law, got a J.D. from Columbia, served as editor at The Columbia Law Review and ended up arguing cases before the U.S. Supreme Court.

A lot of people went looking for a fight after Wax, jointly with Professor Lawrence Alexander of the University of San Diego, published an op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer last August [Paying the price for breakdown of the country’s bourgeois culture, August 9, 2017]. In the op-ed Wax and Alexander spoke in favor of bourgeois values: get married, stay married, raise kids, get as much education as you can take, work hard, be patriotic, and so on.

That led to shrieking and swooning among Goodthinkers everywhere. The authors, it was said, were calling for the restoration of Jim Crow, for women to get back in the kitchen, for homosexuals to be jailed, and so on. I covered the hysteria in my August 18th and September 1st podcasts.

I concluded the latter of those podcasts with the prediction that the administrators at U. Penn. law school would cave to the witch-hunters. Professor Wax, being tenured, can’t be fired, but I thought she would lose some of her classes. It was an easy call. The administrators at our colleges and universities are bred on a ranch hidden somewhere in the mountain West to be exceptionally compliant with Cultural Marxist orthodoxy, and to have no spinal matter at all.

In this case, however, I underestimated Professor Wax. She returned all the obloquy with courage and spirit, and held on stubbornly to her classes.

Forward to the present. Now the lady is in trouble again. After last August’s kerfuffle she did one of those Bloggingheads interviews with Economics Professor Glenn Loury, a black guy, from Brown University … or possibly a brown guy from Black University: it’s hard to keep these things straight.

This was last August [Glenn Loury (Brown University) and Amy Wax (Race, Wrongs, and Remedies, University of Pennsylvania) ,

BloggingHeads, August 29, 2018]. The two professors discussed, in a not-particularly-controversial way, the under-performance of blacks at law school. Professor Wax said, amongst other things: “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half”

A few days ago, some witch-hunters dug up this Bloggingheads exchange from last year. More shrieking and swooning. The dean of Penn. Law school, an invertebrate named Ted Ruger, [Email him] flatly contradicted Professor Wax: “Black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law” [Amy Wax removed from teaching required first year courses at Penn Law School, By Paul Campos, Lawyers, Guns & Money, March 13, 2018]. He did not, however, provide any evidence for his assertion, nor any definition of his term “top of the class.”

Top half? Top ninety-five percent? Who knows?

The Dean was actually puffing out this squid ink from behind a high protective wall of administrative protocol. The actual performance of different races at U. Penn Law is a closely-guarded secret.

Hence, for making a factual statement based on her own experience, a statement no-one has produced facts to contradict, Professor Wax is now undergoing her second Two Minutes Hate. And this time she has actually suffered academic consequences. Dean Ruger, fortified by an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, has had her removed from her duties teaching first-year students.

Since Dean Ruger has called Professor Wax a liar in print, and dishonored her by removing her first-year class, some of Professor Wax’s friends have suggested she file a grievance with the American Association of University Professors. Whether such a filing would come to any conclusive result is uncertain. But there would likely be one of those processes lawyers call “discovery,” in which the law school would have to open its files on student achievement by race.

Then we’d know who was telling the truth about black students … as if we don’t know already.

That Professor Wax should be hounded like this for some simple observations of fact, tells you how deep our academic culture has sunk. The lady is not even, to the best of my knowledge, a race realist. She was at any rate not a race realist eight years ago: I can state that with some authority.

Here’s my authority. In 2009 Professor Wax published a book titled Race, Wrongs, and Remedies.

Within the larger sphere of jurisprudence there is a specialty area called the Law of Remedies. Suppose I hit you with my car and break both your legs. Now you’re on crutches. The law—the Law of Remedies—says I have to recompense you: Pay your medical bills, lost wages, and so on.

There comes a point, however, when I have discharged my obligations under the Law of Remedies. If you are still on crutches at that point, it’s now up to you to put forth some effort and get walking again. I am no longer under any obligation; I can go about my own business.

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Professor Wax’s 2009 book made an analogy with the situation of blacks in today’s America. What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.

The book is thoughtful, literate, and rigorously argued, as you’d expect from someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number. It caused much unhappiness at U. Penn law school, though. Professor Wax was called to a meeting of the Black Law Students’ Association to explain herself.

At the meeting, Professor Wax gave as good as she got, so the offended parties left dissatisfied. They called for a bigger event: a public debate between Professor Wax and some black legal academics. They chivalrously allowed that Professor Wax might have someone to second her on the debate platform.

It happened that I had published my book We Are Doomed at the same time Professor Wax published hers. She had read my book and emailed me about it. We had exchanged a few more emails in a spirit of friendly discussion.

So when this platform debate in front of the Black Law Students’ Association was being arranged, Professor Wax suggested they invite me in to be her second. The Association emailed me with an invite.

I emailed back, explaining my own opinions as a race realist: Contra Professor Wax, I don’t think blacks can attain statistical parity with other races, however much effort they put forth. Biology makes it impossible.

The black law students, to their credit, invited me anyway. I went down to Philly, gave a ten-minute address, fielded Q&A, and socialized with Professor Wax and the black law students afterwards. The whole thing, including my address, can be read on my website johnderbyshire.com. See Revisiting Race and Remedies: Should the Government Play A Role in Eliminating Racial Disparities in Education and Employment? dated April 5th, 2010.

As can be seen from that transcript, I gave them straight race realism on the rocks. Again to their credit, I was received cordially and thoughtfully, confirming Jared Taylor’s observation that blacks, or some large subset of them, are fascinated to hear a white person speak honestly about race.

Why wouldn’t they be? Things that are extremely rare are naturally fascinating.

The only discordant note was one of the audience members, a black guy, telling me my views were “old.” I was of course much too polite to riposte that belief in the sphericity of the Earth is even older—around twenty-six hundred years old—but is generally held to be true notwithstanding.

That was eight years ago, before the Antifa got themselves organized.

My views, which I explained very frankly to the Black Law Students’ Association beforehand, and which did not deter them from inviting me, have not changed. It is a measure of how fast our Cultural Revolution is proceeding that such acceptance would be unthinkable now; or that, if somehow I were invited to speak, I would be able to make myself heard above the Antifa chanting and the sound of breaking glass.

I offer my sympathies to Professor Wax in her current travails.

And I hope that one day sanity and respect for reasoned discourse will be restored to our universities and law schools.

It’s a dwindling hope. But I hope it anyway.

2010-12-24dl[1] John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Mishra says:

    The book is thoughtful, literate, and rigorously argued, as you’d expect from someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number.

    Four digits now? There really is no stopping the Chosen People.

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    Well I think commenter Factorize argued earlier that in theory we could have 100 SD of total IQ, so a max of 1500, if we optimized the human genome. My immediate question about that was if it would be possible to boost the IQ of living beings to such levels, rather than merely edit the genomes of the yet to be born. A great use for this kind of sci-fi technology. Imagine Ta Nehisi Coates and his uh white counterpart John Derbyshire both being boosted to IQ 1500. The ensuing intellectual exchange would be like watching two terminator T-3000s duking it out for supremacy...
    , @Z-man
    That would be 'Chosen People' worship. LOL!!!
    Wow she did medical school and then law school. Maybe Adleson payed her way, lol.
    Forget the philosophy of her work that I probably agree with.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    Seriously - have you SEEN this woman's CV? It's easily findable on the internet, I'm not going to find it for you. She is astounding.

    It's only fair that Derb brought up her ethnicity. On these pages Jews are Public Enemy No. 1.
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  2. I’m sure she’s very smart and talented but why isn’t she in Israel?

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Whyever?
    , @Nicholas Stix
    Because she’s an American?

    Why aren’t you in some foreign country?
    , @The Alarmist
    http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screenshot-6_18_2015-9_43_12-PM.jpg
    , @Twodees Partain
    Maybe it's because not everybody wants to move to your shitty little country.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’m sure she’s very smart and talented but why isn’t she in Israel?
     
    Because she's very smart and talented.
    , @c matt
    Because she's smart and talented.
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  3. Yan Shen says:
    @Mishra

    The book is thoughtful, literate, and rigorously argued, as you’d expect from someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number.
     
    Four digits now? There really is no stopping the Chosen People.

    Well I think commenter Factorize argued earlier that in theory we could have 100 SD of total IQ, so a max of 1500, if we optimized the human genome. My immediate question about that was if it would be possible to boost the IQ of living beings to such levels, rather than merely edit the genomes of the yet to be born. A great use for this kind of sci-fi technology. Imagine Ta Nehisi Coates and his uh white counterpart John Derbyshire both being boosted to IQ 1500. The ensuing intellectual exchange would be like watching two terminator T-3000s duking it out for supremacy…

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    What was the premise of the argument behind IQ 1500?
    , @Thomm
    Just boost negro IQ to 100, and we will be fine.

    WN wiggers need an even larger boost to reach 100, but they are segregated the way blacks are.
    , @utu
    Hey, Copernicus, go spread your new Copernican revolution.
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  4. Amy Wax is a breath of fresh air, proof that not all Jews are lemming libtards or neocons. I admire her greatly for speaking out. Dean Ruger of course, is another coward weasel, a dime a dozen in the academic world. Jason Riley wrote an article on academic mismatch hurting blacks in support of Amy Wax on the same day her article was published in the WSJ last week. Riley is himself black.

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    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    Because she's an American?

    Why aren't you in some foreign country?
    , @Nicholas Stix
    I apologize for the previous reply, which was not meant for you.
    , @attilathehen
    Jason Riley is married to the Jewess Naomi Schaefer. Nothing kosher here.
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  5. El Dato says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm sure she's very smart and talented but why isn't she in Israel?

    Whyever?

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  6. Realist says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I think commenter Factorize argued earlier that in theory we could have 100 SD of total IQ, so a max of 1500, if we optimized the human genome. My immediate question about that was if it would be possible to boost the IQ of living beings to such levels, rather than merely edit the genomes of the yet to be born. A great use for this kind of sci-fi technology. Imagine Ta Nehisi Coates and his uh white counterpart John Derbyshire both being boosted to IQ 1500. The ensuing intellectual exchange would be like watching two terminator T-3000s duking it out for supremacy...

    What was the premise of the argument behind IQ 1500?

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    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     
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  7. BloggingHeads, August 29, 2018]. The two professors discussed, …

    I am Professor Wax, and I am from the future.

    You may want to fix this one, Mr. Derbyshire. I will assume it’s from ’17.

    Not at all apropos, but here’s Future Dwight [Schrute]:

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  8. About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of “Hey, here’s a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?” I don’t know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov’t has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

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    I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov’t has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.
     
    #metoogoddammit

    The banning of homeschooling seems so obvious. Why haven't They done it? It would seem to be absurdly simple to justify to the great melange of blacks, asians and mexicans that are now the majority of the US population. Piece o' cake, in fact. Leave private schools for the goodwhites, of course.

    Banning of working for cash, and of living off-grid are only a few years away.

    Hell, turn out the lights.
    , @Anonymous
    Home schooling is not the answer. Thousands and thousands of small private schools is. I know so people who Ron one such place. Less that fifty kids, and practically everyone who works there has or had kids there.
    , @Joe Wong

    “I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family.”
     
    It seems you can’t see the wood for the trees, without realizing you are the victim of fake news and brain washing by those books on the Chinese Culture Revolution which were written by the haunted and evil minded people insisting to destroy world peace for personal gains by making people pit against each other with blinding hatred thru feeding you with amplified hearsays, lies, selecting reporting and distorted manufactured consent.

    You should know you are made to pay somebody who wants you to hate someone who has no relation to you, and you know nothing about them. Paying bunch of money to brought upon yourself load of unnecessary stress thru the thin air, this is really something beyond No Stupid Left Behind.

    , @Joe Wong
    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world of the 'Western existence and culture', something that get almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

    The United States for 150 years has been overthrowing government, bombing, killing and waterboarding throughout Latin America, throughout the Middle East, in Europe, and in SE Asia on the fabricated phantom allegations. The number of young, old, men and women killed, maimed and crippled, as well as families destroyed and dislocated are in the hundreds of millions if not billion, yet the Americans still claim morality is their birth right and continue their butchering and war crimes as humanitarian intervention, the cold blood and psychopathic American deed is beyond sickening, they are isane and evil.
    , @Bill Jones
    Home schooling is illegal in Germany, an innovation, I believe, introduced by Herr Shicklgruber and somehow never reversed
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  9. Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

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    Yawn. Same old Jew propaganda again.

    No they are not, not even close.
    Though Jews like you wish it, try to promote it.

    Look at IQs by country:

    https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country
    , @CalDre
    Nice to hear from the resident Jew supremacist. Unfortunately for you, scoring higher on those tests does not translate into actual intelligence in real life - and clearly is a huge disadvantage when it comes to morality.
    , @in the middle
    Actually, I have noticed several Asians who are born with exceptionally high IQs. When I was in school, the theme was 'orientals are very smart!' so I dedicated my self to study hard, and do as they do. To my surprise, they are not smarter than any one else; what they do have is tenacity and aggressively study to outperform others. I did the same, and I did graduated ahead of all of them! Well, there it is. Jews do have that tenacity, and go out of their way to outperform others, especially their eternal enemy, the pale face, although most of them are pale faces, since they are conversos, or descendants of converted Talmudist. Whites, hating 'whites' for the simple thing that their white ancestors converted to Talmud-ism in the past. Religion, religion, religion.
    , @Bill Jones
    You are rating the exceptional, self selecting jews who made it to America. the average Israel IQ is in the low 90's.
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  10. I have taken on my own recovery for months. But the idea that two hundred years of socialization is going to be cured by said remedies that don’t in any way avert the cause –

    which is first attitudinal toward a stedy state artifcat which has subsequently been part and parcel to the system is nonsense. I have no idea how long it takes to remedy socially enforced flwed system that from its birth was targeted to a set population.

    What the good professor misses is that whatever remedies put in place those remedies were either hijacksed ro shared with the aggreiving parties.

    So I get hit by a car. I am prescribed a set of crutches. But in so presrcribing, it is required that i share those crutches with

    Bill and sue and of course Juan and Mariana, because they too have been injured in some manner. They weren’t hit by cars. They don’t have broken legs or anything else as the result of my accident, but as result I can only use my crutches on Tues and half day on Sunday.

    To the extent that said crutches were required to my healing and extended life maintenance — the benefit is negligible if of any benefit at all. And then to discover, not only must I share my crutches with parties to my injury. I have to share them with the very people who ran over me.

    I certainly don’t agree with all complaints concerning blackness. But anyone making any assessment that ignores the actual supposed application of the remedy to a system in place long after supposed accident — doesn’t understand the infrastructure and implementation of policy.

    Now maybe she does just that. But I suspect a woman, especially white have not calculated the impact of their demands on the same car accident of blacks on the general society, much-less — not at all on the remedies designed to redress the wrong. The constant example is AA. whites moan and groan about AA and yet they are biggest benefactors and they are benefactors to the very complaint: lowered standards, arbitrary qualities, faux complaints —–

    I would be curious to know what female sports programs bring enough money to support women’s programs. Male athletes have been supporting entire departments — and with greater frequency — those academic bread winners have been black athletes – male black athletes.

    I think the white card invasion on the remedy, shared among: women, hispanics, same sex practitioners, illegal immigrants, legal immigrants . . . suggests that the remedy has been no remedy at all. Any one need not even address the attitudinal consequences withing two of Dr. Wax’s fields: law and academia. Who happen to be the two largest distorters of the supposed remedy.

    Still: It is sad that her views are silenced in this manner. If the dean thought she her assessment on graduation he should simply why her view might need expanding and do so by the numbers, that her experience might be limited or subject to the very distortions of remedy — but getting the boot for a matter worthy of address — seems extreme.

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  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of "Hey, here's a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?" I don't know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov't has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov’t has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    #metoogoddammit

    The banning of homeschooling seems so obvious. Why haven’t They done it? It would seem to be absurdly simple to justify to the great melange of blacks, asians and mexicans that are now the majority of the US population. Piece o’ cake, in fact. Leave private schools for the goodwhites, of course.

    Banning of working for cash, and of living off-grid are only a few years away.

    Hell, turn out the lights.

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    Home education was effectively banned in Texas until around 1992, when the Texas State Supreme Court in Leeper vs. AISD ruled in favor of home schoolers, recognizing them as a form of private education, which is very lightly regulated in Texas. Before that decision, I knew people living in Midland, TX who were forced to move to Las Vegas, NV in order to improve their children's educational environment.

    There are still a number of states and local school boards that make life very difficult for home educators. Since my youngest is now thirty-four, Mrs. FPD72 and I have been out of the education game for quite a while. All of our kids were put into public schools by the ninth grade, where they performed at a high level at "good" schools. Two did well in college. The one who didn't finish is a millionaire several times over and is something of an autodidact.
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  12. The lady is not even, to the best of my knowledge, a race realist.

    True, but she is also not a fully-committed revolutionary as her statements show.

    The old liberal guard – which likely never fully believed their own rhetoric about racial differences but did believe that such rhetoric would help improve society – is now getting pushed out by the new generation that were raised to 100% believe the rhetoic.

    The new guard is right to push out the old guard. If you truly believed that the races are genetically equal but that achievement gaps remain because of racism, you would demand that ever more aggressive policies be instituted to remedy the situation. Yet, these old guard liberals want to more or less maintain the status quo, so they need to go.

    What’s happening on campuses makes perfect sense if you believe that the races are equal. And why wouldn’t you if that’s what you’ve been told by your parents, teachers, government leaders, presidents, academics, the media and corporate leaders. Basically, every pillor of society is telling you that the races are equal in capabilities and that white racism is causing the achievement gaps.

    Wouldn’t you be angry if that was your worldview? Wouldn’t you push out the old guard that doesn’t seem to be doing much about it?

    Don’t blame Wax’s critics. Blame the societal leaders – including Wax – who filled their heads with a lie.

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  13. Quick question. If Prof. Wax isn’t a race realist, how does she explain the low academic achievement of blacks, not just at her law school but in general?

    The answer to that question may explain why she’s in her current perdicament. If she implicitly or explicitly points to the finger at white racism, she shouldn’t be surprised when the mob shows up at her door.

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    The witch-hunts in the early modern days could be studied to get an idea, what might be going on.

    I think of the well-known humanist writer Erasmus of Rotterdam, who happened to study some witch-trials in the Black Forset near Freiburg from up close and did not not take the stand, that those trials were all wrong. He held a partly-enlightened position, which allowed him, to a) stay respected (and alive...) - and to b) undermine, kinda, the real witch-hunt-fever (which he did).

    Something alike happened in Switzerland with pre-marital sex. It's true, the law against it was held valid up until the nineteen seventies, but - since decades the cases, in which this law led to any serious consequences were in a steady decline, until they reached the annual number close to zero or zero for a while - and it was only then, that the swiss Parliament decided to get rid of the law alltogether.

    Wax - could be a figure like Erasmus of Rotterdam was once.

    The advantage of a position like hers lies for me in it's discreete nature, which seems to me to be very human - I do think, that it's not completely unzivilized to act in favor of decretion - if that's her intention at all (as I sad: It might be).

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Re-read (or reread) the article for the answer to your question.
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  14. Chuck says:

    Will somebody please think about the Jews!

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    No doubt, Jews make sure we think about Jews 365, 24/7.
    Jews:
    the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral
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  15. Jeff77450 says:

    Said in all seriousness, JD would win because the facts are on his side.

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  16. res says:
    @Realist
    What was the premise of the argument behind IQ 1500?

    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.

    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant — with (-) effect on g score — is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).

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    Pretty scary stuff, considering higher intelligence is no guarantee of being right, good or on anyone in particular's side.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I would love to this DNA model that accomplishes that task.
    , @Realist
    Thanks so much for your reply.

    This is a question I have had for sometime.I submitted a comment on this subject to Steve Sailer's blog titled DNA AND IQ in early March.
    , @PhysicistDave
    res wrote:

    As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
     
    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    One reason that might happen is that intelligence (at least visual-spatial intelligence) is connected with the ability to create and manipulate mental images. Perhaps people with a super-human ability in that area just get lost in their own mental images.

    I did my undergrad degree at Caltech, the most academically selective school in the country (we looked down on MIT and laughed at the Ivies -- yeah, I know, they made more money than we did), and I knew a number of truly brilliant math majors. Based on that experience, I find my hypothesis more than plausible.
    , @Bill
    Does 5, additivity, seem at all likely?
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  17. As I posted on another article on Unz:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and tries to rape a student in front of witnesses, but they already took her off a required course. If her elective courses don’t get enough students to run, she won’t have enough sections to be fully employed. When they do give her sections, they will be at odd hours and days, like a 7:30AM followed by a night class, so either she has to drive back and forth or sit in her office all day. Or they’ll give her back-to-back 2-hour classes with no lunch break. In different buildings, halfway across campus, so she won’t even have time to hit the bathroom, let alone hold office hours between two classes.

    And of course, they’ll give her The Freeze at faculty meetings.

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    Women uh obviously can't rape men?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    She could get a small group of supportive students to publicise the fact that they have persuaded the University's finest lecturer to give a series of lectures which the Faculty and unfortunately discontinued. If they wanted to be really aggressive and derisive they could call them the Ruger Lectures and invite students to turn up in their hundreds to show due respect to Dean Ruger. Students who attended her previous years lectures would be the most likely to be suitable conveners and promoters.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    I don't know, Rosamund. It is easy to think the worst case will come true, but maybe it'll work out more like Wizard of Oz hypothesizes. Students at an institution such as Penn Law have a huge investment in the success of their future careers, so maybe it might work more like I proposed in response to another poster who had similar views to yours about how Prof. Wax was doomed. Thusly:

    JerseyJeffersonian says:
    March 23, 2018 at 2:46 am GMT • 100 Words
    @kimchilover

    Anyone with a lick of sense will check out her (and all other faculty members’, too) curriculum vitae. It is posted on Penn Law’s website. When they see the stunning background and accomplishments of the woman in her diverse career, I should be amazed if they don’t choose to study with her instead of with Larry Leftist the non-entity, a faculty nebbish who is currently hissing at her through his spittle-flecked lips. You want to find a way into the upper reaches of the profession? Why not study with the one who has been there?


    I mean, it could happen.
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  18. Randal says:

    The JD Twitter feed posted at the rhs of the page:

    Me: “A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around 5%—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us.” https://tinyurl.com/ldfh6ez $outhern Poverty Law Center: “That’s RACIST!” https://tinyurl.com/yako7kcq Me: “Whatever. Is it T-R-U-E?”

    Obviously it’s racist to suggest that a minority of blacks hate whites (ie are racist). Everyone except white racists knows there are no bad blacks.

    On the other hand, it’s also racist to say that a small percentage of whites hate blacks. Because everyone knows all whites except for a tiny minority of “woke” leftists, are racist (ie hate blacks).
    [/cuck mode]

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    Racism is NOT the hatred of another race. That's prejudice. Racism is the belief that ones race is superior to another. The very success of the white civilization is overwhelming proof that white people should embrace their racism over blacks. The fact that many parts of Africa still haven't invented the wheel speaks volumes.
    On the contrary, blacks cannot be racist to whites, well, possibly in the sporting world, but certainly not civilizationally.

    The reason WHY the Western civilization is sinking into the sewer is because a (((tribe))) came in and taught us not to be racists. Instead of love for our civilization, culture, nations and race, we now hate them, while the Jew continues to promote ethnocentric supremacy, through divide and conquer, everything that benefits the Jew destroys the goy and vice versa.

    In other words of you're not a racist, white supremacist you're a Shabbos goy, doing your very best to destroy that which your ancestors died to give you - freedom.
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  19. Randal says:
    @res
    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     

    Pretty scary stuff, considering higher intelligence is no guarantee of being right, good or on anyone in particular’s side.

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  20. As can be seen from that transcript, I gave them straight race realism on the rocks. Again to their credit, I was received cordially and thoughtfully, confirming Jared Taylor’s observation that blacks, or some large subset of them, are fascinated to hear a white person speak honestly about race.

    Why wouldn’t they be? Things that are extremely rare are naturally fascinating.

    In 1980′s Chicago, there used to be a person on the radio that spoke his mind, and used his show to speak realistically about race. That was Steve Dahl. The other radio stations in town always tore into him, especially the “progressive” rock station, who referred to him and his on air partner, Garry Meier as “the racists down the dial.” Ironically, Steve Dahl had the largest black audience in the city. It was even bigger than the “black” radio stations. Blacks enjoyed the candor and honesty Steve Dahl had, and the non-patronizing and non-condescending “conversation” about race that he had on his radio show.

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    & how did that end?
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  21. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Quick question. If Prof. Wax isn't a race realist, how does she explain the low academic achievement of blacks, not just at her law school but in general?

    The answer to that question may explain why she's in her current perdicament. If she implicitly or explicitly points to the finger at white racism, she shouldn't be surprised when the mob shows up at her door.

    The witch-hunts in the early modern days could be studied to get an idea, what might be going on.

    I think of the well-known humanist writer Erasmus of Rotterdam, who happened to study some witch-trials in the Black Forset near Freiburg from up close and did not not take the stand, that those trials were all wrong. He held a partly-enlightened position, which allowed him, to a) stay respected (and alive…) – and to b) undermine, kinda, the real witch-hunt-fever (which he did).

    Something alike happened in Switzerland with pre-marital sex. It’s true, the law against it was held valid up until the nineteen seventies, but – since decades the cases, in which this law led to any serious consequences were in a steady decline, until they reached the annual number close to zero or zero for a while – and it was only then, that the swiss Parliament decided to get rid of the law alltogether.

    Wax – could be a figure like Erasmus of Rotterdam was once.

    The advantage of a position like hers lies for me in it’s discreete nature, which seems to me to be very human – I do think, that it’s not completely unzivilized to act in favor of decretion – if that’s her intention at all (as I sad: It might be).

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  22. Yan Shen says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    As I posted on another article on Unz:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and tries to rape a student in front of witnesses, but they already took her off a required course. If her elective courses don’t get enough students to run, she won’t have enough sections to be fully employed. When they do give her sections, they will be at odd hours and days, like a 7:30AM followed by a night class, so either she has to drive back and forth or sit in her office all day. Or they’ll give her back-to-back 2-hour classes with no lunch break. In different buildings, halfway across campus, so she won’t even have time to hit the bathroom, let alone hold office hours between two classes.

    And of course, they’ll give her The Freeze at faculty meetings.
     

    Women uh obviously can’t rape men?

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    Your naivete is enchanting.
    , @dfordoom

    Women uh obviously can’t rape men?
     
    Of course they can. It's the Current Year. There's no reason why women with penises can't rape men with vaginas.
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  23. @Yan Shen
    Women uh obviously can't rape men?

    Your naivete is enchanting.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    You're right. I forgot. They can only rape men if they're unattractive like you. :)
    , @Randal

    Your naivete is enchanting.
     
    Here's the definition of rape in English Law, from Wikipedia:

    Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, rape occurs when one person penetrates another with their penis without the consent of the person being penetrated. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as "Assault by Penetration" (section 2).[1] If the victim is forcefully made to penetrate another, the act can be prosecuted as "Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent" (section 4).[2]

    The offence is created by section 1[3] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:



    (1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

    (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
     
    I'll leave it to you to explain the circumstances in which a woman can somehow "rape" a man. But you'll need to do it without reference to freaks created by modern medical technology - a human being with a penis is by definition not a woman - he or it is either a man or a freak.

    Granted the term has been deliberately expanded in general discourse and in many official contexts to cover all kinds of non-consensual sexual interaction, which properly should be classed as assaults of various kinds, but these are mostly consequences of feminist, homosexualist and other ideologies seeking to engineer language and society in ways that suit their purposes. Any conservative worth his salt should pay such nonsense no heed.

    The fact that rape properly is an act a man can do to a woman but not vice versa, reflects inherent and fundamental distinctions between male and female, and not just physical ones, which we have had stolen from our culture, to our detriment.
    , @Bel Riose
    Rosamond Vincy, I hereby challenge you to a mud wrestling match.

    Lagertha can referee, provided she stays on her meds and off the booze.
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  24. @res
    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     

    I would love to this DNA model that accomplishes that task.

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  25. Realist says:
    @res
    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     

    Thanks so much for your reply.

    This is a question I have had for sometime.I submitted a comment on this subject to Steve Sailer’s blog titled DNA AND IQ in early March.

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  26. I can’t even imagine the policies one would put in place around IQ genetics. But as commented earlier high IQ is hardly a guarantee to wisdom or even success as generally understood among us unintelligent people.

    Her most enlightened quality is that she understands and supports the very basic model by which most people obtain a successful life. I say most because it is entirely possible to do everything near right and have someone completely upset that apple cart. But there is no arguing that

    hard work
    intact families
    etc . . . are keys to what is generally understood as successful.

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  27. Amy looks as though she could beat the piss out of Ruger in a fistfight. I live in hope it comes to that.

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    I'd buy front-row seats for that one.

    I know the Buckleys aren't much loved on this site, but one of William F's sisters once publicly clocked a feminist who insulted the Virgin Mary.

    Do NOT mess with Conservative women.
    , @Twodees Partain
    I wonder sometimes just how far the leftists would have gotten in their long march through the institutions if they'd had to contend with getting their asses whipped instead of just being debated.

    That's something I guess we'll never know.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I think you've looked at the wrong (the first) photograph. Have another look. What do you think?
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  28. Yan Shen says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Your naivete is enchanting.

    You’re right. I forgot. They can only rape men if they’re unattractive like you. :)

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    Project much?
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I've been raped by women. By many different women too and sometimes even repeatedly by the same women. Some might blame alcohol but I blame nature and my obviously sexual irresistibility. I am completely innocent, of course, it is always the woman's doing.
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  29. @Yan Shen
    You're right. I forgot. They can only rape men if they're unattractive like you. :)

    Project much?

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  30. @Twodees Partain
    Amy looks as though she could beat the piss out of Ruger in a fistfight. I live in hope it comes to that.

    I’d buy front-row seats for that one.

    I know the Buckleys aren’t much loved on this site, but one of William F’s sisters once publicly clocked a feminist who insulted the Virgin Mary.

    Do NOT mess with Conservative women.

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  31. @Twodees Partain
    Amy looks as though she could beat the piss out of Ruger in a fistfight. I live in hope it comes to that.

    I wonder sometimes just how far the leftists would have gotten in their long march through the institutions if they’d had to contend with getting their asses whipped instead of just being debated.

    That’s something I guess we’ll never know.

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  32. @Another realist
    Amy Wax is a breath of fresh air, proof that not all Jews are lemming libtards or neocons. I admire her greatly for speaking out. Dean Ruger of course, is another coward weasel, a dime a dozen in the academic world. Jason Riley wrote an article on academic mismatch hurting blacks in support of Amy Wax on the same day her article was published in the WSJ last week. Riley is himself black.

    Because she’s an American?

    Why aren’t you in some foreign country?

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  33. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Yan Shen
    Women uh obviously can't rape men?

    Women uh obviously can’t rape men?

    Of course they can. It’s the Current Year. There’s no reason why women with penises can’t rape men with vaginas.

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    If we are thinking about classical rape, it is actually possible, some men are quite weak, some even in a coma, paralyzed or passed out drunk but still can get an erection. In other cases, where the woman is weaker, he can be given "date rape" drugs or otherwise tied up and taken advantage of.

    Of course nowadays there are new classes of rape. One is a sexual demand by a superior. So if your boss says "fuck me or you're fired" or "fuck me and get promoted" (perhaps not so crudely), and you do, well, that's "rape"! Feministas will tell you, for sure.

    Then there is statutory rape - the hot teacher and her pubescent, hormone-swamped student.

    The question always is, why would a woman rape a man, when it is trivial for a woman to find a willing sex partner. That is not always true, depends on the woman, and she may be fixated on someone as well (obsession). And other psychological reasons.
    , @schnellandine
    It's evidence of just how crazy current year is when a self-evident truth is treated as such only ironically.

    A woman may threaten a man with one stick or another if he won't have sex with her. Could be blackmail, vandalism, or the like. And yes, it's old school criminally-chargeable rape--if you can shake the prosecutor's head long enough for enough rocks to fall out.
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  34. Wally says:
    @Carroll Price
    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

    Yawn. Same old Jew propaganda again.

    No they are not, not even close.
    Though Jews like you wish it, try to promote it.

    Look at IQs by country:

    https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

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    Iqinfo? I ran through that test just to see what it was. It's 40 questions of pattern recognition, that's it. And after you've answered it, it won't give you the results unless you enter your Facebook Account and give them access. And how do they know if like me you just answered randomly to get to the end, or you are trying?

    So we can conclude: it is a very very poor intelligence test, let's not even call it one, let's call it a "are you stupid enough to give these fraudsters" (as they don't tell you at the outset they require FB access to give you the results) "your time and FB access".

    What a fraud! You are taking those numbers seriously?
    , @Z-man
    Also, some of the smartest 'book smart' ones are some of the most disfunctional people on earth.
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  35. utu says:

    Penn Law full time faculty only 30% Jewish. Must not be the first rate school.

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  36. Wally says:
    @Chuck
    Will somebody please think about the Jews!

    No doubt, Jews make sure we think about Jews 365, 24/7.
    Jews:
    the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral

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  37. She’s got to sue PennLaw, and do so for millions of dollars, for defamation and violation of her prerogatives as a respected, tenured law prof.

    What Ruger is doing to her is very similar to what City College officials did to my old grad school logic prof, Michael Levin, ca 1988-1991. Levin sued and won, but didn’t demand any monetary damages, so there was no painful lesson for CCNY. Meanwhile, during the same period, black supremacist CCNY prof Leonard Jeffries, who was not abused in the way Levin was, sued and won hundreds of thousands of dollars. And Jeffries should have been fired! (Among other things, his office had printed up and distributed death threats against employees of the New York Post and “the Jewish people”!)

    Jeffries had merely had his title as department head taken away, after almost 20 years, which he never should have had in the first place.

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    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire.

    Well, once the word Jew comes into the argument, its over! I wonder some times why the Idumeans, and Khazars are so special, and untouchable! You can say anything about blacks, whites, and others, so I wonder, is Ideumean/Khazar a race, or a religion, or what? If its religion, then is a fare game, as is Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. If race, then again fair game, such are the Irish, Brits, Germans, etc. so what is it?

    https://www.slideshare.net/anglo-saxonisrael/from-cain-to-khazaria-part-1-pdf-53622701
    , @Xenos
    You were lucky to have Michael Levin as your logic prof. He is a superb intellect, and the author of one of the most rigorously argued defense of race realism ever published. It is "Why Race Matters" (1997), and Jared Taylor's American Renaissance has republished it in paperback, and in Kindle through Amazon.
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  38. CalDre says:
    @Carroll Price
    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

    Nice to hear from the resident Jew supremacist. Unfortunately for you, scoring higher on those tests does not translate into actual intelligence in real life – and clearly is a huge disadvantage when it comes to morality.

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    Yes, living in Hymie town I've observed that the richest most 'successful' select ones are not only the most dysfunctional but also the most miserable people on earth.
    , @Byzantine_General
    Your ignorance of Spearman's g -- its nature, correlates, and measurement -- is dreary. Please inform yourself before commenting again on this subject.

    TYVM/HAND.

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  39. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I think commenter Factorize argued earlier that in theory we could have 100 SD of total IQ, so a max of 1500, if we optimized the human genome. My immediate question about that was if it would be possible to boost the IQ of living beings to such levels, rather than merely edit the genomes of the yet to be born. A great use for this kind of sci-fi technology. Imagine Ta Nehisi Coates and his uh white counterpart John Derbyshire both being boosted to IQ 1500. The ensuing intellectual exchange would be like watching two terminator T-3000s duking it out for supremacy...

    Just boost negro IQ to 100, and we will be fine.

    WN wiggers need an even larger boost to reach 100, but they are segregated the way blacks are.

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    Don't you have your Indian problems in India? What about the mass outdoor crap taking by billion Indians?
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  40. CalDre says:
    @dfordoom

    Women uh obviously can’t rape men?
     
    Of course they can. It's the Current Year. There's no reason why women with penises can't rape men with vaginas.

    If we are thinking about classical rape, it is actually possible, some men are quite weak, some even in a coma, paralyzed or passed out drunk but still can get an erection. In other cases, where the woman is weaker, he can be given “date rape” drugs or otherwise tied up and taken advantage of.

    Of course nowadays there are new classes of rape. One is a sexual demand by a superior. So if your boss says “fuck me or you’re fired” or “fuck me and get promoted” (perhaps not so crudely), and you do, well, that’s “rape”! Feministas will tell you, for sure.

    Then there is statutory rape – the hot teacher and her pubescent, hormone-swamped student.

    The question always is, why would a woman rape a man, when it is trivial for a woman to find a willing sex partner. That is not always true, depends on the woman, and she may be fixated on someone as well (obsession). And other psychological reasons.

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  41. @Yan Shen
    You're right. I forgot. They can only rape men if they're unattractive like you. :)

    I’ve been raped by women. By many different women too and sometimes even repeatedly by the same women. Some might blame alcohol but I blame nature and my obviously sexual irresistibility. I am completely innocent, of course, it is always the woman’s doing.

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    Well, Nosey, just look at the way you dress.....
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  42. @dfordoom

    Women uh obviously can’t rape men?
     
    Of course they can. It's the Current Year. There's no reason why women with penises can't rape men with vaginas.

    It’s evidence of just how crazy current year is when a self-evident truth is treated as such only ironically.

    A woman may threaten a man with one stick or another if he won’t have sex with her. Could be blackmail, vandalism, or the like. And yes, it’s old school criminally-chargeable rape–if you can shake the prosecutor’s head long enough for enough rocks to fall out.

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  43. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm sure she's very smart and talented but why isn't she in Israel?

    Because she’s an American?

    Why aren’t you in some foreign country?

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  44. @Another realist
    Amy Wax is a breath of fresh air, proof that not all Jews are lemming libtards or neocons. I admire her greatly for speaking out. Dean Ruger of course, is another coward weasel, a dime a dozen in the academic world. Jason Riley wrote an article on academic mismatch hurting blacks in support of Amy Wax on the same day her article was published in the WSJ last week. Riley is himself black.

    I apologize for the previous reply, which was not meant for you.

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  45. utu says:
    @Thomm
    Just boost negro IQ to 100, and we will be fine.

    WN wiggers need an even larger boost to reach 100, but they are segregated the way blacks are.

    Don’t you have your Indian problems in India? What about the mass outdoor crap taking by billion Indians?

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    Since I am not an Indian, why would that matter to me?

    As a 70-IQ WN, you can't register what you have been told umpteen times.

    Remember, you represent the waste matter that the white race expels genetically. If you and other WN wiggers were given a country, you would quickly make it worse than Haiti.

    You have no business taking credit for the success of normal whites like me. You are not the same race as successful whites.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!
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  46. utu says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I think commenter Factorize argued earlier that in theory we could have 100 SD of total IQ, so a max of 1500, if we optimized the human genome. My immediate question about that was if it would be possible to boost the IQ of living beings to such levels, rather than merely edit the genomes of the yet to be born. A great use for this kind of sci-fi technology. Imagine Ta Nehisi Coates and his uh white counterpart John Derbyshire both being boosted to IQ 1500. The ensuing intellectual exchange would be like watching two terminator T-3000s duking it out for supremacy...

    Hey, Copernicus, go spread your new Copernican revolution.

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  47. Just Derbyshire sucking up to Jews again. Yawn. He is a metaphor for the fall of England. Rather shameful actually.

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  48. @NoseytheDuke
    I've been raped by women. By many different women too and sometimes even repeatedly by the same women. Some might blame alcohol but I blame nature and my obviously sexual irresistibility. I am completely innocent, of course, it is always the woman's doing.

    Well, Nosey, just look at the way you dress…..

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  49. jim jones says:

    The Muslim and Jewish wings of the British Left are engaged in a titanic struggle for power:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5555857/Labour-MELTDOWN-anti-Semitism.html

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  50. From the other side of the Atlantic I just can guess that this is about differences between ethnic groups.
    These differences exist:
    Melville J. Herskovits, ‘The Myth of the Negro Past’, 1941, 1958, Boston
    On our side too stating that differences do exist is racism, fascism, etc.
    Diversity officers are being created all over the place.
    Most universities bowed to the pressure that university staff should reflect population diversity in general.
    At least one university stopped the nonsense, capabilities are the criteria.
    Having experienced the stupidity of car mechanics of Moroccan descent, my car just goes to garages with personnel I trust as competent.

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  51. Svigor says:

    Time for a divorce. Normies are from Mars, leftoids are from Venus. This is what separate countries are for.

    “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half”

    Leftists shit their pants over unorthodox context; it’s the sort of thing they say every day, but take it out of context, and they shit their pants.

    Within the larger sphere of jurisprudence there is a specialty area called the Law of Remedies. Suppose I hit you with my car and break both your legs. Now you’re on crutches. The law—the Law of Remedies—says I have to recompense you: Pay your medical bills, lost wages, and so on.

    There comes a point, however, when I have discharged my obligations under the Law of Remedies. If you are still on crutches at that point, it’s now up to you to put forth some effort and get walking again. I am no longer under any obligation; I can go about my own business.

    Professor Wax’s 2009 book made an analogy with the situation of blacks in today’s America. What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.

    The problem is that there’s thousands of hours of video evidence that the plaintiff was never struck by the defendant’s car. That, in fact, the plaintiff was walking on crutches for years before YT ever met him.

    In this case, when your lawyer suggests “admitting” that you hit the plaintiff with your car when you did not, you fire her four-digit-IQ-having ass.

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  52. Svigor says:

    Thomm says:
    March 29, 2018 at 4:59 am GMT

    WOG, you have to go back.

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  53. Svigor says:

    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

    I’ve met lots of people who I reckon have IQs of 108* or so, and I’ve never thought of them as “exceptionally” smart. Maybe I’m just picky.

    *Half of all Jews have IQs below this.

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    dude, Jews aren't dominating academically anymore--see Ron Unz on this
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  54. CalDre says:
    @Wally
    Yawn. Same old Jew propaganda again.

    No they are not, not even close.
    Though Jews like you wish it, try to promote it.

    Look at IQs by country:

    https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

    Iqinfo? I ran through that test just to see what it was. It’s 40 questions of pattern recognition, that’s it. And after you’ve answered it, it won’t give you the results unless you enter your Facebook Account and give them access. And how do they know if like me you just answered randomly to get to the end, or you are trying?

    So we can conclude: it is a very very poor intelligence test, let’s not even call it one, let’s call it a “are you stupid enough to give these fraudsters” (as they don’t tell you at the outset they require FB access to give you the results) “your time and FB access”.

    What a fraud! You are taking those numbers seriously?

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    IOW, you just didn't like the results. LOL

    Here's another.
    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    and many more:

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=uhG9WuDMAoXWjwPt9bnwBA&q=iq+by+country&oq=iq+by+country&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i131k1j0l9.1624.10392.0.11976.15.15.0.0.0.0.196.1696.2j13.15.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1422...0i10k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i160k1j0i7i30k1j0i8i30k1.0.VuGAjdTZErs

    I win.
    , @Anonymous

    I ran through that test just to see what it was. It’s 40 questions of pattern recognition, that’s it. And after you’ve answered it, it won’t give you the results unless you enter your Facebook Account and give them access.
     
    I did it last year and I did get the result displayed on the screen - both the IQ number and the percentile. Are you sure you didn't miss a tiny button somewhere?

    Progressive Matrices are probably one of the best types of IQ tests since they eliminate potential educational advantages. That said, I can't vouch for this particular one (maybe it's not well calibrated) but my own result was close to the previous, "proper" measurements.
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  55. Randal says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Your naivete is enchanting.

    Your naivete is enchanting.

    Here’s the definition of rape in English Law, from Wikipedia:

    Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, rape occurs when one person penetrates another with their penis without the consent of the person being penetrated. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as “Assault by Penetration” (section 2).[1] If the victim is forcefully made to penetrate another, the act can be prosecuted as “Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent” (section 4).[2]

    The offence is created by section 1[3] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:

    (1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

    (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

    I’ll leave it to you to explain the circumstances in which a woman can somehow “rape” a man. But you’ll need to do it without reference to freaks created by modern medical technology – a human being with a penis is by definition not a woman – he or it is either a man or a freak.

    Granted the term has been deliberately expanded in general discourse and in many official contexts to cover all kinds of non-consensual sexual interaction, which properly should be classed as assaults of various kinds, but these are mostly consequences of feminist, homosexualist and other ideologies seeking to engineer language and society in ways that suit their purposes. Any conservative worth his salt should pay such nonsense no heed.

    The fact that rape properly is an act a man can do to a woman but not vice versa, reflects inherent and fundamental distinctions between male and female, and not just physical ones, which we have had stolen from our culture, to our detriment.

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    Rather than go into a crude discussion of what some women do with objects that is legally considered rape in places other than the UK, or descriptions of what Australian thuggettes have been known to do through sheer uncontrollable physiological reaction, I shall amend my post for the better comprehension of the Estrogen-challenged:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and offers a student an A in the class in exchange for sex in front of witnesses....
     
    Is everyone happy now?
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  56. Looking at it by my primitive eyes, I do see it like this.
    Communism was just another robbery. Some people built something, and some people being jealous did take it away from them. Not big problem except stagnation resulted and not much was built after.
    Here is now the same thing. White built something materialistic and cultural, and blacks are now taking it away from them. It is the same thing as agriculture in Rhodesia and South Africa.

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    Not big problem except stagnation resulted and not much was built after
     
    .

    Tell that to folks who remember what the Soviets did with Kulak harvests in Ukraine.
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  57. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Holy Three are Jews, Negroes, and Homos.

    But there are cases where they bicker among themselves.

    In this case, it’s Jewish woman vs blacks.

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  58. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm sure she's very smart and talented but why isn't she in Israel?

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    Can you please share the source of this data? Thanks in advance.
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  59. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Your naivete is enchanting.

    Rosamond Vincy, I hereby challenge you to a mud wrestling match.

    Lagertha can referee, provided she stays on her meds and off the booze.

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    You issued the challenge, Sir; I choose the weapon and name my own seconds. Rapiers (so appropriate!). Unless you prefer Mark Twain's solution of brick-bats at three-quarters of a mile.
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  60. @The Alarmist
    http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screenshot-6_18_2015-9_43_12-PM.jpg

    Can you please share the source of this data? Thanks in advance.

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    It looks like the data is from a now defunct website: http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    Here is an archive page showing what used to be there: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627133159/http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    It is convenient that it now redirects to a Harvard page about unintentional firearm deaths.

    Since the site disappeared rather than was shouted down I suspect the data is reasonably accurate. More information at
    http://ninjapundit.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-shooting-index-usa-not-number-one.html
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  61. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm sure she's very smart and talented but why isn't she in Israel?

    Maybe it’s because not everybody wants to move to your shitty little country.

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  62. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Quick question. If Prof. Wax isn't a race realist, how does she explain the low academic achievement of blacks, not just at her law school but in general?

    The answer to that question may explain why she's in her current perdicament. If she implicitly or explicitly points to the finger at white racism, she shouldn't be surprised when the mob shows up at her door.

    Re-read (or reread) the article for the answer to your question.

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    What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.
     
    My bad.

    However, I find the "black culture is the cause of black underachievement" argument (assuming that's what Prof. Wax is making) almost as bad as the white racism argument. They both refuse to acknowledge genetic group differences. First, blacks wouldn't magically starting performing as well as whites if they adopted our culture. Would their performance improve, yes, but it would still lag whites by a large amount.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren't white. They'll never be white. You're asking them to act like something that they're not day in and day out. Granted, you're asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you're still demanding that they be something that they're not.

    It's a pipe dream but, really, the solution is what it's always been. Separate societies for separate groups.
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  63. @Rosamond Vincy
    As I posted on another article on Unz:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and tries to rape a student in front of witnesses, but they already took her off a required course. If her elective courses don’t get enough students to run, she won’t have enough sections to be fully employed. When they do give her sections, they will be at odd hours and days, like a 7:30AM followed by a night class, so either she has to drive back and forth or sit in her office all day. Or they’ll give her back-to-back 2-hour classes with no lunch break. In different buildings, halfway across campus, so she won’t even have time to hit the bathroom, let alone hold office hours between two classes.

    And of course, they’ll give her The Freeze at faculty meetings.
     

    She could get a small group of supportive students to publicise the fact that they have persuaded the University’s finest lecturer to give a series of lectures which the Faculty and unfortunately discontinued. If they wanted to be really aggressive and derisive they could call them the Ruger Lectures and invite students to turn up in their hundreds to show due respect to Dean Ruger. Students who attended her previous years lectures would be the most likely to be suitable conveners and promoters.

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  64. @Twodees Partain
    Amy looks as though she could beat the piss out of Ruger in a fistfight. I live in hope it comes to that.

    I think you’ve looked at the wrong (the first) photograph. Have another look. What do you think?

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    I think she still looks pretty fierce to me. ;-)
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  65. neutral says:

    Always good when the Frankenstein monster the jews created turn on them.

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  66. Picnic ants attacking a Border Collie.I wish Mr. Derbyshire would write a piece detailing his observations of the academic quality of students and courses at schools which he has visited. I have a daughter who teaches at various schools–George Mason, Brown, Amherst, what have you–andmy impression through her is that quality has dropped drastically since the early Sixties, but she is too young to make the comparison.

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    I have first-hand knowledge, Mr. Reed, of a big decline in one particular technical major that I know about. It's been a major decline from just the early 1990's to the early '10's, but I'd put most of it in the 2nd of those 2 decades.

    I would say that most of the cause is the huge university bubble that we are undergoing, due to US Feral Gov't backing of student loans. Tuition goes up in proportion to how much students CAN borrow, as the universities have no stake in how this "investment", mostly in 4-6 years of a good time, pans out. The banks will loan large amounts to anyone, no matter what major, and no matter how intelligent, as they also have nothing at all to lose, no matter the outcome. It's a WIN/WIN/LOSE for the UNIVERSITIES/BANKS/TAXPAYERS respectively.

    Universities are making a killing, with the majority not going to professors, but for facilities, and lots of white-collar make-work dieversity-dean type jobs. They just want to fill seats now and get big grant money via the work of the relatively cheap Chinese/dot-Indian technical labor, and education is way down the list of priorites.

    Peak Stupidity has more on the financial and personal aspects of the University Bubble from personal experience. (That's the 1st post, and the rest is here, here, and here.) Oh, and then there's the textbook scam - not helping a bit.
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  67. Z-man says:
    @Mishra

    The book is thoughtful, literate, and rigorously argued, as you’d expect from someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number.
     
    Four digits now? There really is no stopping the Chosen People.

    That would be ‘Chosen People’ worship. LOL!!!
    Wow she did medical school and then law school. Maybe Adleson payed her way, lol.
    Forget the philosophy of her work that I probably agree with.

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  68. @Bel Riose
    Rosamond Vincy, I hereby challenge you to a mud wrestling match.

    Lagertha can referee, provided she stays on her meds and off the booze.

    You issued the challenge, Sir; I choose the weapon and name my own seconds. Rapiers (so appropriate!). Unless you prefer Mark Twain’s solution of brick-bats at three-quarters of a mile.

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    Rapiers...perfect and appropriate indeed! And probably the only apt choice for rival bloggers/intellectuals.

    A medieval spike shield duel would work too, I suppose -- as depicted by Talhoffer -- but rapiers it is.

    At dawn, I presume?

    , @Byzantine_General
    If you know how to build a trebuchet with a max velocity of 360 fps, specify medieval technology and accept the challenge... See also, punkin' chunkin'.
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  69. Z-man says:
    @Wally
    Yawn. Same old Jew propaganda again.

    No they are not, not even close.
    Though Jews like you wish it, try to promote it.

    Look at IQs by country:

    https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

    Also, some of the smartest ‘book smart’ ones are some of the most disfunctional people on earth.

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    And what "books" is it that redneck Jews read?

    These are books that they want banned:

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/HH-July2017-30secs+DonationPitch.mp4
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  70. @Randal

    Your naivete is enchanting.
     
    Here's the definition of rape in English Law, from Wikipedia:

    Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, rape occurs when one person penetrates another with their penis without the consent of the person being penetrated. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as "Assault by Penetration" (section 2).[1] If the victim is forcefully made to penetrate another, the act can be prosecuted as "Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent" (section 4).[2]

    The offence is created by section 1[3] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:



    (1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

    (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
     
    I'll leave it to you to explain the circumstances in which a woman can somehow "rape" a man. But you'll need to do it without reference to freaks created by modern medical technology - a human being with a penis is by definition not a woman - he or it is either a man or a freak.

    Granted the term has been deliberately expanded in general discourse and in many official contexts to cover all kinds of non-consensual sexual interaction, which properly should be classed as assaults of various kinds, but these are mostly consequences of feminist, homosexualist and other ideologies seeking to engineer language and society in ways that suit their purposes. Any conservative worth his salt should pay such nonsense no heed.

    The fact that rape properly is an act a man can do to a woman but not vice versa, reflects inherent and fundamental distinctions between male and female, and not just physical ones, which we have had stolen from our culture, to our detriment.

    Rather than go into a crude discussion of what some women do with objects that is legally considered rape in places other than the UK, or descriptions of what Australian thuggettes have been known to do through sheer uncontrollable physiological reaction, I shall amend my post for the better comprehension of the Estrogen-challenged:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and offers a student an A in the class in exchange for sex in front of witnesses….

    Is everyone happy now?

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    Much better, thanks. The discussion alternative sounds positively alarming...
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Is everyone happy now?
     
    No, not until it happens to me!

    (The witnesses can stay home on surf the web for this kinda stuff.)
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  71. Z-man says:
    @CalDre
    Nice to hear from the resident Jew supremacist. Unfortunately for you, scoring higher on those tests does not translate into actual intelligence in real life - and clearly is a huge disadvantage when it comes to morality.

    Yes, living in Hymie town I’ve observed that the richest most ‘successful’ select ones are not only the most dysfunctional but also the most miserable people on earth.

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  72. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Looking at it by my primitive eyes, I do see it like this.
    Communism was just another robbery. Some people built something, and some people being jealous did take it away from them. Not big problem except stagnation resulted and not much was built after.
    Here is now the same thing. White built something materialistic and cultural, and blacks are now taking it away from them. It is the same thing as agriculture in Rhodesia and South Africa.

    Not big problem except stagnation resulted and not much was built after

    .

    Tell that to folks who remember what the Soviets did with Kulak harvests in Ukraine.

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  73. res says:
    @The King is A Fink
    Can you please share the source of this data? Thanks in advance.

    It looks like the data is from a now defunct website: http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    Here is an archive page showing what used to be there: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627133159/http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    It is convenient that it now redirects to a Harvard page about unintentional firearm deaths.

    Since the site disappeared rather than was shouted down I suspect the data is reasonably accurate. More information at

    http://ninjapundit.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-shooting-index-usa-not-number-one.html

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    More information at https://ijr.com/2015/12/348197-paris-attack-claim-mass-shootings/
    They include a link to an archive page which makes it easy to cut and paste the data into a spreadsheet.

    Some more discussion at https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/85391-international-mass-shooting-fatalities-continue-to-climb
    It is interesting that they seem to have disappeared their linked infographic (replaced the image with something else).
    , @The King is A Fink
    Thanks. There is quite a collection of material on that last link you provided!
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  74. The author refers to Judith and Jael as “feisty Jewish women of the Old Testament.”

    Judith was a Hittite and Jael was the wife of Heber the Kenite. Neither was “Jewish.”

    Jewish is from Judah by way of Judean. (Judith was Judah’s aunt.)

    Judea, a district of Palestine which was to be home of the descendants of Judah comes into prominence among the Children of Israel many centuries later on the disappearance of the “lost” ten tribes. A Jew was a Judean descended from Judah.

    In modern usage Jew is a contraction of Judaist.

    Judaism began as Phariseeism. Phariseeism, later called Rabbinism, Talmudism and finally Judaism, claims to be a development of the religion of Moses but in fact is from Persian fertility cults likely adopted during the Babylonian captivity.

    Christianity is the fulfillment of the religion of Moses. Jesus said the Pharisees put the wisdom of men ahead of the Word of God, i.e. the teachings of Moses and the Prophets.

    So neither Judith nor Jael were Jewish in the original sense of the word (Judean) nor in the modern sense (Pharisees).

    For more, see Michael Hoffman: Judaism’s Strange Gods.

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  75. @Wizard of Oz
    Re-read (or reread) the article for the answer to your question.

    What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.

    My bad.

    However, I find the “black culture is the cause of black underachievement” argument (assuming that’s what Prof. Wax is making) almost as bad as the white racism argument. They both refuse to acknowledge genetic group differences. First, blacks wouldn’t magically starting performing as well as whites if they adopted our culture. Would their performance improve, yes, but it would still lag whites by a large amount.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out. Granted, you’re asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you’re still demanding that they be something that they’re not.

    It’s a pipe dream but, really, the solution is what it’s always been. Separate societies for separate groups.

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    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out. Granted, you’re asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you’re still demanding that they be something that they’re not.
     
    Define "Acting White"? If you mean a set of traits like upward mobility, valuing education, hard work, thrift, integrity, get married before having children, staying married, law abidingness, punctuality, etc. I'd say these are pretty universal traits that most intelligent, successful people embrace. They are not unique to whites, and they are learned not inborn or heritable.

    Culture is often associated with race, but correlation does not equal causation. I posit that culture is a function of IQ not race. There are plenty of successful people of all races, and plenty of unsuccessful people of all races. There is no "white culture", "black culture", "asian culture", "hispanic culture", there is only "smart culture" and "dumb culture". Smart people embrace smart culture which includes child-centric parenting, upward mobility, hard work and striving to raise children who are even more successful than they are; stupid people embrace stupid culture which includes parent-centric parenting, no emphasis on education and upward mobility, hard work and not caring whether their children end up more successful than they are.

    More whites embrace smart culture because whites in general have higher IQ, sadly that trend is ebbing. There are plenty of upper middle class whites who grew up with parents who emphasized this smart culture and do alright for themselves yet end up raising loser children who don't embrace these cultural traits. Millennials are the first generation that will not do better than their parents. Luck runs out a lot quicker for those with lower IQ.

    Blacks who are stuck in the ghetto and lower class whites do not embrace smart culture because they have lower IQ. Smart blacks who got out of the ghetto have no problem embracing smart culture. Embracing smart culture is not "acting white", it's simply "acting smart". I think that's what Amy Wax is advocating as well, for America to return to embracing "smart culture".

    , @Randal

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.
     
    That's what is called "growing up" and "being civilised" in human society.

    Nobody naturally behaves as an educated, disciplined member of a modern society behaves. Everyone has to overcome his or her "nature" to some extent. This idea that there's something spiritually special about "natural" behaviour is hippy nonsense. Blacks are not so different from whites that they are another species, or aliens. There is huge overlap, and the fact that on average blacks might find it harder to discipline themselves to cultural norms that are positive - working hard, getting educated, being polite, restraining urges, especially violent ones, getting married and sticking with it, etc etc, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them doing it, or that a collective push in that direction would not improve their and our situation massively. It would.

    Whether separate societies are necessary is a legitimate point for debate, but that doesn't mean the argument that blacks should take responsibility for improving their own culture is invalid.

    Presumably your intention is to argue the latter in order to leave your preferred option of separation as the only available one. That's understandable, but there's no reason why anybody else should accept that tactic.
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  76. Randal says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Rather than go into a crude discussion of what some women do with objects that is legally considered rape in places other than the UK, or descriptions of what Australian thuggettes have been known to do through sheer uncontrollable physiological reaction, I shall amend my post for the better comprehension of the Estrogen-challenged:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and offers a student an A in the class in exchange for sex in front of witnesses....
     
    Is everyone happy now?

    Much better, thanks. The discussion alternative sounds positively alarming…

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    Thank you for sparing my blushes. I hesitated at attempting so Indelicate a Disquisition.
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  77. res says:
    @res
    It looks like the data is from a now defunct website: http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    Here is an archive page showing what used to be there: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627133159/http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    It is convenient that it now redirects to a Harvard page about unintentional firearm deaths.

    Since the site disappeared rather than was shouted down I suspect the data is reasonably accurate. More information at
    http://ninjapundit.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-shooting-index-usa-not-number-one.html

    More information at https://ijr.com/2015/12/348197-paris-attack-claim-mass-shootings/
    They include a link to an archive page which makes it easy to cut and paste the data into a spreadsheet.

    Some more discussion at https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/85391-international-mass-shooting-fatalities-continue-to-climb
    It is interesting that they seem to have disappeared their linked infographic (replaced the image with something else).

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  78. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    You issued the challenge, Sir; I choose the weapon and name my own seconds. Rapiers (so appropriate!). Unless you prefer Mark Twain's solution of brick-bats at three-quarters of a mile.

    Rapiers…perfect and appropriate indeed! And probably the only apt choice for rival bloggers/intellectuals.

    A medieval spike shield duel would work too, I suppose — as depicted by Talhoffer — but rapiers it is.

    At dawn, I presume?

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    That depends on how much Mead everybody has had the night before. The stages are usually:
    1. Enough Mead to force everyone to sleep it off; by the time they regain consciousness around noon, they will be sufficiently hungover to be averse to any action besides encouraging the Seconds to settle matters;
    2. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, aim sufficiently impaired to put no one in danger but the bystanders;
    3. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, forgetting why they are there long before they reach it, except for the ones who've been lost on the way. This last group is in the greatest amount of peril, unless their non-comatose companions have been kind enough to drag them out of the middle of the road before they are run over.

    As you see, the many hazards of this violent practice have contributed to its being generally banned.

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  79. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?

    Intelligence as a unitary feature of mind is a fatuous idea unsupported by data, indeed clearly contradicted by the data. Moreover it is clearly contradicted by neuroanatomical and neurophysiological evidence.

    Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. That is not to assert that racial groups in America do not differ in IQ, but only that IQ is the product of crude tests of a some aspects of mental function, all of which are subject to massive phenotypic plasticity. IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax.

    None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America’s universities are a bunch of low-grade morons perpetually driven to assert their superiority to the scholars who, in their feebleminded and gutless way, allowed the PC bureaucratic scum to usurp control of the academic community.

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    (1) "what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior"

    (2) "Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. "

    (3) "IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax."

    (4) "None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America’s universities are a bunch of low-grade morons "

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four. On the factual level I would be more nuanced than you.

    The race realists like JD seem to like playing the martyr card as well. Is it Giordano Bruno syndrome? I might be wrong but at least they will burn me on the stake.
    , @Randal

    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?
     
    How fortuitous that observed life outcomes and behaviour seem to conform broadly to what is predicted by IQ tests.

    Are we supposed to pretend that black collective behaviour is no different from that of whites, in the face of the incontrovertible statistical evidence? Do you have a better idea to explain that than the leftists' disgusting and self-loathing notion of "blame whitey forever coz it's all down to racism"?

    And do you think that the observed differences in physical characteristics that make eg professional US basketball virtually all black is down to white racism as well? Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere? Or does your brain shut down immediately when approaching such thoughts, so as to avoid transgressing against approved dogma?
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  80. @res
    It looks like the data is from a now defunct website: http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    Here is an archive page showing what used to be there: https://web.archive.org/web/20130627133159/http://www.rampageshooting.com/
    It is convenient that it now redirects to a Harvard page about unintentional firearm deaths.

    Since the site disappeared rather than was shouted down I suspect the data is reasonably accurate. More information at
    http://ninjapundit.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-shooting-index-usa-not-number-one.html

    Thanks. There is quite a collection of material on that last link you provided!

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  81. @Randal
    Much better, thanks. The discussion alternative sounds positively alarming...

    Thank you for sparing my blushes. I hesitated at attempting so Indelicate a Disquisition.

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  82. @Bel Riose
    Rapiers...perfect and appropriate indeed! And probably the only apt choice for rival bloggers/intellectuals.

    A medieval spike shield duel would work too, I suppose -- as depicted by Talhoffer -- but rapiers it is.

    At dawn, I presume?

    That depends on how much Mead everybody has had the night before. The stages are usually:
    1. Enough Mead to force everyone to sleep it off; by the time they regain consciousness around noon, they will be sufficiently hungover to be averse to any action besides encouraging the Seconds to settle matters;
    2. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, aim sufficiently impaired to put no one in danger but the bystanders;
    3. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, forgetting why they are there long before they reach it, except for the ones who’ve been lost on the way. This last group is in the greatest amount of peril, unless their non-comatose companions have been kind enough to drag them out of the middle of the road before they are run over.

    As you see, the many hazards of this violent practice have contributed to its being generally banned.

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    I fear I would fall into Category 1.

    Mud or rapiers: hmm....

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  83. Trump needs to nominate Amy Wax for SCOTUS when Ginsberg finally keels over, or is declared senile, and go nuclear for her the way he did for Gorsuch.

    Given the cucking he’s been doing lately though, I won’t hold my breath.

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    I can already hear the Libs whining, "But that's our seat!"
    , @JMcG
    I imagine that’s why they are attacking her now, to forestall exactly such a move. However, what are her views on the second amendment?
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  84. Wally says:
    @CalDre
    Iqinfo? I ran through that test just to see what it was. It's 40 questions of pattern recognition, that's it. And after you've answered it, it won't give you the results unless you enter your Facebook Account and give them access. And how do they know if like me you just answered randomly to get to the end, or you are trying?

    So we can conclude: it is a very very poor intelligence test, let's not even call it one, let's call it a "are you stupid enough to give these fraudsters" (as they don't tell you at the outset they require FB access to give you the results) "your time and FB access".

    What a fraud! You are taking those numbers seriously?

    IOW, you just didn’t like the results. LOL

    Here’s another.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    and many more:

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=uhG9WuDMAoXWjwPt9bnwBA&q=iq+by+country&oq=iq+by+country&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i131k1j0l9.1624.10392.0.11976.15.15.0.0.0.0.196.1696.2j13.15.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1422…0i10k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i160k1j0i7i30k1j0i8i30k1.0.VuGAjdTZErs

    I win.

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  85. Wally says:
    @Z-man
    Also, some of the smartest 'book smart' ones are some of the most disfunctional people on earth.

    And what “books” is it that redneck Jews read?

    These are books that they want banned:

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

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  86. @Svigor

    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.
     
    I've met lots of people who I reckon have IQs of 108* or so, and I've never thought of them as "exceptionally" smart. Maybe I'm just picky.

    *Half of all Jews have IQs below this.

    dude, Jews aren’t dominating academically anymore–see Ron Unz on this

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  87. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.
     
    My bad.

    However, I find the "black culture is the cause of black underachievement" argument (assuming that's what Prof. Wax is making) almost as bad as the white racism argument. They both refuse to acknowledge genetic group differences. First, blacks wouldn't magically starting performing as well as whites if they adopted our culture. Would their performance improve, yes, but it would still lag whites by a large amount.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren't white. They'll never be white. You're asking them to act like something that they're not day in and day out. Granted, you're asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you're still demanding that they be something that they're not.

    It's a pipe dream but, really, the solution is what it's always been. Separate societies for separate groups.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out. Granted, you’re asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you’re still demanding that they be something that they’re not.

    Define “Acting White”? If you mean a set of traits like upward mobility, valuing education, hard work, thrift, integrity, get married before having children, staying married, law abidingness, punctuality, etc. I’d say these are pretty universal traits that most intelligent, successful people embrace. They are not unique to whites, and they are learned not inborn or heritable.

    Culture is often associated with race, but correlation does not equal causation. I posit that culture is a function of IQ not race. There are plenty of successful people of all races, and plenty of unsuccessful people of all races. There is no “white culture”, “black culture”, “asian culture”, “hispanic culture”, there is only “smart culture” and “dumb culture”. Smart people embrace smart culture which includes child-centric parenting, upward mobility, hard work and striving to raise children who are even more successful than they are; stupid people embrace stupid culture which includes parent-centric parenting, no emphasis on education and upward mobility, hard work and not caring whether their children end up more successful than they are.

    More whites embrace smart culture because whites in general have higher IQ, sadly that trend is ebbing. There are plenty of upper middle class whites who grew up with parents who emphasized this smart culture and do alright for themselves yet end up raising loser children who don’t embrace these cultural traits. Millennials are the first generation that will not do better than their parents. Luck runs out a lot quicker for those with lower IQ.

    Blacks who are stuck in the ghetto and lower class whites do not embrace smart culture because they have lower IQ. Smart blacks who got out of the ghetto have no problem embracing smart culture. Embracing smart culture is not “acting white”, it’s simply “acting smart”. I think that’s what Amy Wax is advocating as well, for America to return to embracing “smart culture”.

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    I was fine until you starter this exposition on culture and IQ.

    I am going to be politically incorrect here. There are cultures but they are not related to color. Culture is the various practices and beliefs that are existent and practiced among a set group of people, unique to them when taken in the contexts of their lifestyle. And within cultures various groupings of people have their unique set of cultural attributes common to them. Cultures: Hispanic, Congolese, German, French, British . . .etc. are categories that denote a unique culture. I would agree skin color has not unique attributes that denote a culture. Within our "american culture" there are urban cultures, rural cultures, suburban cultures, etc. There are even neighborhood cultures. The academic culture that exists today spent most of its history largely keeping most blacks out of it. So it is safe to say that what culture exists remains part and parcel that which encompassed mostly white people. Fortunately, blacks established their own academic cultures with available resources and developed a culture that is not that far different than any other academic culture comprised of people with various cultural practices from their state, city or rural community. Given the relationship of academia to culture, it's a safe bet that whatever the environmental spinoff of academic community to IQ was largely denied the black population in massive numbers as one might expect --

    I appreciated the smart culture -- reference minus any serious press that it is primarily or singularly genetically more dominant in whites. While anything is possible, that code has not been discovered and is blighted by the distribution of DNA over several million years. We may find it is linked to societies but skin color is quite a leap.

    Since IQ is not unique (depending on what one understands IQ is) is not limited to any culture. Whether it is biological and or environmental and the unique interactions that impact a particular problem solving has not been explicated.

    I think Dr. Wax makes the correct assessment in general but her limited view of the sample as to magnitude of time and size leaves her with some serious hurdles. It's convenient to ignore impacts long term. Whether she is correct that blacks are not in the top half is a difficult question. It would be interesting to consider how many whites inhabit the top half of her class and what the top half is. One would calculate her total number of students white and black. Consider the various courses of study. Background, etc. and do the same for the white students. Maybe most of the students who might excel in her courses don't take them. Or aren't ion her field. Given the population variance It would be interesting to consider the number of black students in her department. Even every black student finished at the bottom of her class, won would need far richer tests to determine why said students don't and just what that has to do with skin color.

    While I agree with "smart culture" introduction, I have to make room for real history white or black and admit there are a lot of reasons people live as they do that has nothing to do with being smart. If a society wants its people to be a certain way they provide every avenue to assimilate said product. It's a tough slice of bread to cut away a quarter of the loaf from the baking process and wonder why they aren't baked like everyone else -- especially when everyone else isn't baked despite being part of the whole.

    No one calculating the impact of getting hit by a car ignores consequences such as impacts beyond broken legs or because of broken legs. Her model is missing a lot of components required to make the conclusions she made. It's obvious that eventually, depending on the ability to heal up the wounds that eventually one would walk without crutches. But when that would be is another matter . . .

    Worse consider that the injured party has had to share said crutches by more than 60% plus with others who either didn't need them, were not part of some other accident(?) and then constantly had to justify their very existence on every issue they address. It's one thing to teach law, it's quite another to apply and practice it - in an injury case.
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  88. Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever. I strongly suspect that the only thing IQ test measures is the amount of effort the person invested into preparing for that particular test. Everybody on the Admissions committees in colleges and grad schools knows that SAT and GRE scores tell you exactly nothing except how hard the person worked to prepare.
    Yes, person’s intelligence helps to translate the preparation effort into high scores, but that’s about it.
    Now, I am not saying that there is no genetic component in intelligence. I am not saying that all races are equal – I simply don’t know, and nowadays doing honest studies on this subject is not considered politically correct. The fact is, even if there was a test of actual intelligence, end even if the averages were different for different races and ethnic groups, these averages would have no predictive value in an individual case. It is well known among behavioral scientists that the smarter the species is in general, the grater individual variations you see. So, you can find a very smart individual in a not so smart group, or a very stupid individual in a group that on average is smart. This, you have to go by what you see in an individual, regardless of the group of origin. That would be real honest color-blindness, not the reverse racism pushed by libtards.

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    Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever.
     
    You should probably take that up with one of the very many scientists working in the field of psychometrics who do use IQ test results as a useful proxy for cognitive ability. There's one who posts here on Unz:

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    , @Anonymous
    All tests can be gamed through practice, even IQ tests. With the importance of IQ nowadays, any school worth its reputation will have the kids practising IQ tests regularly as soon as they can read. Mastering these tests will become a curriculum subject like any other.
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  89. Randal says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What can reasonably be done to atone for past cruelty and injustice, she argued, has been done. Now blacks have to put forth some effort and get off their crutches, if they are to attain statistical parity with other races in America.
     
    My bad.

    However, I find the "black culture is the cause of black underachievement" argument (assuming that's what Prof. Wax is making) almost as bad as the white racism argument. They both refuse to acknowledge genetic group differences. First, blacks wouldn't magically starting performing as well as whites if they adopted our culture. Would their performance improve, yes, but it would still lag whites by a large amount.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren't white. They'll never be white. You're asking them to act like something that they're not day in and day out. Granted, you're asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you're still demanding that they be something that they're not.

    It's a pipe dream but, really, the solution is what it's always been. Separate societies for separate groups.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.

    That’s what is called “growing up” and “being civilised” in human society.

    Nobody naturally behaves as an educated, disciplined member of a modern society behaves. Everyone has to overcome his or her “nature” to some extent. This idea that there’s something spiritually special about “natural” behaviour is hippy nonsense. Blacks are not so different from whites that they are another species, or aliens. There is huge overlap, and the fact that on average blacks might find it harder to discipline themselves to cultural norms that are positive – working hard, getting educated, being polite, restraining urges, especially violent ones, getting married and sticking with it, etc etc, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with them doing it, or that a collective push in that direction would not improve their and our situation massively. It would.

    Whether separate societies are necessary is a legitimate point for debate, but that doesn’t mean the argument that blacks should take responsibility for improving their own culture is invalid.

    Presumably your intention is to argue the latter in order to leave your preferred option of separation as the only available one. That’s understandable, but there’s no reason why anybody else should accept that tactic.

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    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.
     
    Wrong from the git-go. Culture is an offshoot of economics within the milieu.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Certainly, blacks adopting "grown up" norms would improve various metrics for them in many ways but is it what they really want and would it make them any happier. (I know that they like the stuff that white society produces, but they seem far happier acting black, even when such behavior leads to poor outcomes. The ride is just more fun to them.)

    Let's invert this and say that whites would be "better off" adopting the grind culture that many Asians display. Would whites do better at school and work grinding away for an extra couple of hours a day? Yes. Would we produce more material goods? Yes.

    Would we be happier? I have my doubts.

    I'm simply saying that different population groups (races, ethnicities, etc.) tend to find their own sweet spot for various aspects of life which leads to very different societies. White society is not superior in a moral sense to black society which is not superior to Asian society . . . The societies are simply different, and, importantly, they fit the natural tendencies of their people.

    Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair. Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).
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  90. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy
    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?

    Intelligence as a unitary feature of mind is a fatuous idea unsupported by data, indeed clearly contradicted by the data. Moreover it is clearly contradicted by neuroanatomical and neurophysiological evidence.

    Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. That is not to assert that racial groups in America do not differ in IQ, but only that IQ is the product of crude tests of a some aspects of mental function, all of which are subject to massive phenotypic plasticity. IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax.

    None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America's universities are a bunch of low-grade morons perpetually driven to assert their superiority to the scholars who, in their feebleminded and gutless way, allowed the PC bureaucratic scum to usurp control of the academic community.

    (1) “what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior”

    (2) “Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. ”

    (3) “IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax.”

    (4) “None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America’s universities are a bunch of low-grade morons ”

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four. On the factual level I would be more nuanced than you.

    The race realists like JD seem to like playing the martyr card as well. Is it Giordano Bruno syndrome? I might be wrong but at least they will burn me on the stake.

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    Meh! I'd just tell him he is 1 for 4 and thank him for sharing his opinions.
    , @CanSpeccy

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.
     
    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race "realist" rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America's inner cities.

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  91. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half”

    The answer of course, is to make all our top 20 elite law schools 100% black, then blacks will be in the top quartile, top 1% etc. Imagine that, an entire class of Harvard Law School, Yale Law School, Columbia Law School, Penn Law School grads, all black. In fact, why stop at law school, simply make all our elite 20 schools 100% black in all departments. As Harvard, Stanford et al. finish polishing each cohort of these gems into diamonds, send these geniuses on to Africa, they are needed to build Wakanda.

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    The problem then becomes that the government itself would become 100% black, since apparently only Ivy grads need apply for its top jobs.
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  92. @Another Realist
    Trump needs to nominate Amy Wax for SCOTUS when Ginsberg finally keels over, or is declared senile, and go nuclear for her the way he did for Gorsuch.

    Given the cucking he's been doing lately though, I won't hold my breath.

    I can already hear the Libs whining, “But that’s our seat!”

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  93. @Randal

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.
     
    That's what is called "growing up" and "being civilised" in human society.

    Nobody naturally behaves as an educated, disciplined member of a modern society behaves. Everyone has to overcome his or her "nature" to some extent. This idea that there's something spiritually special about "natural" behaviour is hippy nonsense. Blacks are not so different from whites that they are another species, or aliens. There is huge overlap, and the fact that on average blacks might find it harder to discipline themselves to cultural norms that are positive - working hard, getting educated, being polite, restraining urges, especially violent ones, getting married and sticking with it, etc etc, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them doing it, or that a collective push in that direction would not improve their and our situation massively. It would.

    Whether separate societies are necessary is a legitimate point for debate, but that doesn't mean the argument that blacks should take responsibility for improving their own culture is invalid.

    Presumably your intention is to argue the latter in order to leave your preferred option of separation as the only available one. That's understandable, but there's no reason why anybody else should accept that tactic.

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.

    Wrong from the git-go. Culture is an offshoot of economics within the milieu.

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  94. @utu
    (1) "what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior"

    (2) "Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. "

    (3) "IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax."

    (4) "None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America’s universities are a bunch of low-grade morons "

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four. On the factual level I would be more nuanced than you.

    The race realists like JD seem to like playing the martyr card as well. Is it Giordano Bruno syndrome? I might be wrong but at least they will burn me on the stake.

    Meh! I’d just tell him he is 1 for 4 and thank him for sharing his opinions.

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  95. @Another Realist

    “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half”
     
    The answer of course, is to make all our top 20 elite law schools 100% black, then blacks will be in the top quartile, top 1% etc. Imagine that, an entire class of Harvard Law School, Yale Law School, Columbia Law School, Penn Law School grads, all black. In fact, why stop at law school, simply make all our elite 20 schools 100% black in all departments. As Harvard, Stanford et al. finish polishing each cohort of these gems into diamonds, send these geniuses on to Africa, they are needed to build Wakanda.

    The problem then becomes that the government itself would become 100% black, since apparently only Ivy grads need apply for its top jobs.

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  96. Randal says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever. I strongly suspect that the only thing IQ test measures is the amount of effort the person invested into preparing for that particular test. Everybody on the Admissions committees in colleges and grad schools knows that SAT and GRE scores tell you exactly nothing except how hard the person worked to prepare.
    Yes, person’s intelligence helps to translate the preparation effort into high scores, but that’s about it.
    Now, I am not saying that there is no genetic component in intelligence. I am not saying that all races are equal – I simply don’t know, and nowadays doing honest studies on this subject is not considered politically correct. The fact is, even if there was a test of actual intelligence, end even if the averages were different for different races and ethnic groups, these averages would have no predictive value in an individual case. It is well known among behavioral scientists that the smarter the species is in general, the grater individual variations you see. So, you can find a very smart individual in a not so smart group, or a very stupid individual in a group that on average is smart. This, you have to go by what you see in an individual, regardless of the group of origin. That would be real honest color-blindness, not the reverse racism pushed by libtards.

    Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever.

    You should probably take that up with one of the very many scientists working in the field of psychometrics who do use IQ test results as a useful proxy for cognitive ability. There’s one who posts here on Unz:

    James Thompson Archive

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    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things. The existence of hundreds of different religions attests to that.
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  97. bjondo says:

    Send blacks to Israel where they can get money, homes, land for nuthin’. Where they can steal, murder, vandalize, deface, pollute with shit and urine, and be considered a citizen A +. Where they never have to be responsible, decent, human/humane.

    If they apply to an Ivy, acceptance is nearly 100% certain. Don’t worry about actual work achievement. Will be magna this summa that. Tribal profs will make sure.

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  98. Randal says:
    @CanSpeccy
    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?

    Intelligence as a unitary feature of mind is a fatuous idea unsupported by data, indeed clearly contradicted by the data. Moreover it is clearly contradicted by neuroanatomical and neurophysiological evidence.

    Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. That is not to assert that racial groups in America do not differ in IQ, but only that IQ is the product of crude tests of a some aspects of mental function, all of which are subject to massive phenotypic plasticity. IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax.

    None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America's universities are a bunch of low-grade morons perpetually driven to assert their superiority to the scholars who, in their feebleminded and gutless way, allowed the PC bureaucratic scum to usurp control of the academic community.

    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?

    How fortuitous that observed life outcomes and behaviour seem to conform broadly to what is predicted by IQ tests.

    Are we supposed to pretend that black collective behaviour is no different from that of whites, in the face of the incontrovertible statistical evidence? Do you have a better idea to explain that than the leftists’ disgusting and self-loathing notion of “blame whitey forever coz it’s all down to racism”?

    And do you think that the observed differences in physical characteristics that make eg professional US basketball virtually all black is down to white racism as well? Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere? Or does your brain shut down immediately when approaching such thoughts, so as to avoid transgressing against approved dogma?

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    Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?
     
    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did graduate in biology with the faculty prize, I did get a doctorate in molecular biology and I did hold three academic appointments, briefly all at the same time, two of them at among the world's top 30 research schools. I have been a publisher of some of the highest impact scholarly journals in several fields of the life sciences and I have written a few thousand words about IQ and its deficiencies as a measure of intellect on other threads on this site.

    So I am not exactly a naive idiot to be talked down to by someone who seems to have little understanding of anything biological, and I am not inclined to repeat what I have said elsewhere on this site about IQ. But why don't you read it if you're so interested to know what it may have occurred to me to wonder?
    , @dfordoom

    if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?
     
    That's very likely true, but we're still a long way from a full understanding of intelligence, and from knowing precisely what it is that IQ tests measure. And we're a very long way from being able to say how much of the variation in IQ tests is due to genes and how much is due to a whole grab-bag of social and cultural factors. HBD fans do seem to have a habit of overstating their case.
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  99. @Frederick V. Reed
    Picnic ants attacking a Border Collie.I wish Mr. Derbyshire would write a piece detailing his observations of the academic quality of students and courses at schools which he has visited. I have a daughter who teaches at various schools--George Mason, Brown, Amherst, what have you--andmy impression through her is that quality has dropped drastically since the early Sixties, but she is too young to make the comparison.

    I have first-hand knowledge, Mr. Reed, of a big decline in one particular technical major that I know about. It’s been a major decline from just the early 1990′s to the early ’10′s, but I’d put most of it in the 2nd of those 2 decades.

    I would say that most of the cause is the huge university bubble that we are undergoing, due to US Feral Gov’t backing of student loans. Tuition goes up in proportion to how much students CAN borrow, as the universities have no stake in how this “investment”, mostly in 4-6 years of a good time, pans out. The banks will loan large amounts to anyone, no matter what major, and no matter how intelligent, as they also have nothing at all to lose, no matter the outcome. It’s a WIN/WIN/LOSE for the UNIVERSITIES/BANKS/TAXPAYERS respectively.

    Universities are making a killing, with the majority not going to professors, but for facilities, and lots of white-collar make-work dieversity-dean type jobs. They just want to fill seats now and get big grant money via the work of the relatively cheap Chinese/dot-Indian technical labor, and education is way down the list of priorites.

    Peak Stupidity has more on the financial and personal aspects of the University Bubble from personal experience. (That’s the 1st post, and the rest is here, here, and here.) Oh, and then there’s the textbook scam – not helping a bit.

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  100. @Rosamond Vincy
    Rather than go into a crude discussion of what some women do with objects that is legally considered rape in places other than the UK, or descriptions of what Australian thuggettes have been known to do through sheer uncontrollable physiological reaction, I shall amend my post for the better comprehension of the Estrogen-challenged:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and offers a student an A in the class in exchange for sex in front of witnesses....
     
    Is everyone happy now?

    Is everyone happy now?

    No, not until it happens to me!

    (The witnesses can stay home on surf the web for this kinda stuff.)

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    I doubt Prof. Wax is likely to conduct herself in such a manner, and given the physical appearance typical of the sort of academics who might do so, are you quite certain you wish to research this subject so directly?
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  101. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Randal

    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?
     
    How fortuitous that observed life outcomes and behaviour seem to conform broadly to what is predicted by IQ tests.

    Are we supposed to pretend that black collective behaviour is no different from that of whites, in the face of the incontrovertible statistical evidence? Do you have a better idea to explain that than the leftists' disgusting and self-loathing notion of "blame whitey forever coz it's all down to racism"?

    And do you think that the observed differences in physical characteristics that make eg professional US basketball virtually all black is down to white racism as well? Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere? Or does your brain shut down immediately when approaching such thoughts, so as to avoid transgressing against approved dogma?

    Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?

    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did graduate in biology with the faculty prize, I did get a doctorate in molecular biology and I did hold three academic appointments, briefly all at the same time, two of them at among the world’s top 30 research schools. I have been a publisher of some of the highest impact scholarly journals in several fields of the life sciences and I have written a few thousand words about IQ and its deficiencies as a measure of intellect on other threads on this site.

    So I am not exactly a naive idiot to be talked down to by someone who seems to have little understanding of anything biological, and I am not inclined to repeat what I have said elsewhere on this site about IQ. But why don’t you read it if you’re so interested to know what it may have occurred to me to wonder?

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    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did blah blah...
     
    In other words, shorn of all the blather, yes it has occurred to you to consider those things.

    I might be inclined to read what you've written elsewhere if you hadn't come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: "Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent" and later: "Race realists are simply foolish racists", but since you did choose to make your point in such a fatuous way it suggests you are an obsessive campaigner and probably an antiracist dogmatist, rather than an objective scientist.

    Regardless there are plenty of alternative experts with far superior qualifications to you who do regard IQ, subject to appropriate limitations and precautions no doubt, as a legitimate proxy for intelligence. Given that common sense inclines me to their side, up to a point, I'll consider arguments against it if they are made but I'm not impressed by mere appeals to authority, especially if the authority is your own.
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  102. JMcG says:
    @Another Realist
    Trump needs to nominate Amy Wax for SCOTUS when Ginsberg finally keels over, or is declared senile, and go nuclear for her the way he did for Gorsuch.

    Given the cucking he's been doing lately though, I won't hold my breath.

    I imagine that’s why they are attacking her now, to forestall exactly such a move. However, what are her views on the second amendment?

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  103. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu
    (1) "what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior"

    (2) "Race realists are simply foolish racists who deceive themselves with the belief that there is a scientific basis for their racism. "

    (3) "IQ testing is merely the 20th century successor to phrenology. It is not a science, but an elaborate hoax."

    (4) "None of which, of course, is intended in anyway to negate the argument that the administrators running America’s universities are a bunch of low-grade morons "

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four. On the factual level I would be more nuanced than you.

    The race realists like JD seem to like playing the martyr card as well. Is it Giordano Bruno syndrome? I might be wrong but at least they will burn me on the stake.

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.

    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America’s inner cities.

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    the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority
     
    One thing I find annoying about the self-styled "race realists" is that they are not logically consistent. Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way. Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because... well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    BUT... what I observe is that these people have a constant moralizing discourse, this kind of sanctimonious tone.

    It really seems to me that these people should have to decide one way or the other. Either they believe that these people can't do any better, so then it makes no sense to moralize. But if you do moralize, then you're implicitly saying that these people are capable of doing better if they put their minds to it.

    Frankly, I think their position shifts around based on what gives them emotional satisfaction.
    , @dfordoom

    Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence.
     
    It's politically amazingly stupid. The whole "race-realist" HBD thing pretty much guarantees that immigration restrictionism will never gain widespread acceptance, and that anyone trying to advance sensible arguments against immigration will be labelled as a neo-nazi white supremacist and ignored.

    In fact it's so incredibly counter-productive that one can't help suspecting it's actually being pushed by the pro-immigration lobby as a way of entirely and permanently discrediting anti-immigrationists. Or that it's being pushed by agents provocateurs.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somewhat in intellect.
     
    Genes that select/determine "intellectual" configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche. Furthermore, the mutations that produce homo sapiens and other hominid branches also draw from the genes of the mutating parent. Quite probably, somewhere on the double helix are the remnants of genes from trilobite arachnomorph arthropods.

    Far be it from you or me to sneer at trilobites.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group.
     
    Averages matter. Pointing out the exceptions doesn't disprove the rule.

    We all understand outliers. We also understand regression toward the mean.

    Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence.
     
    But blacks are on average inferior in terms of intelligence (however you want to define it). They are also superior in many athletic areanas.

    These are both true. Personally, I think the use of inferior or superior is silly. We're just different - on average - and those average difference matter. The problem is when you force different population groups together and impose an ideology based on the false premise that they are capable in all endevors.

    And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America’s inner cities.
     
    Outside of a few individual examples, please show me how blacks as a group have been among the "finest of humanity, morally, intellectually" populations in American history? (Note that I left out physically.)

    You're tipping your hand, my friend. Pull the cards closer to the vest.
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  104. @Randal

    Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever.
     
    You should probably take that up with one of the very many scientists working in the field of psychometrics who do use IQ test results as a useful proxy for cognitive ability. There's one who posts here on Unz:

    James Thompson Archive

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things. The existence of hundreds of different religions attests to that.

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    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things
     
    That's rather different from your asserting that there is "no scientific evidence whatsoever" for something that is the basis of many actual working scientists' work.
    , @Carroll Price

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things.
     
    They still do. Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.
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  105. @Carroll Price
    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

    Actually, I have noticed several Asians who are born with exceptionally high IQs. When I was in school, the theme was ‘orientals are very smart!’ so I dedicated my self to study hard, and do as they do. To my surprise, they are not smarter than any one else; what they do have is tenacity and aggressively study to outperform others. I did the same, and I did graduated ahead of all of them! Well, there it is. Jews do have that tenacity, and go out of their way to outperform others, especially their eternal enemy, the pale face, although most of them are pale faces, since they are conversos, or descendants of converted Talmudist. Whites, hating ‘whites’ for the simple thing that their white ancestors converted to Talmud-ism in the past. Religion, religion, religion.

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    I did the same, and I did graduated ahead of all of them!
     
    Gracious, you "did graduated" didja?

    Gentleman's C in English, right?
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  106. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    That depends on how much Mead everybody has had the night before. The stages are usually:
    1. Enough Mead to force everyone to sleep it off; by the time they regain consciousness around noon, they will be sufficiently hungover to be averse to any action besides encouraging the Seconds to settle matters;
    2. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, aim sufficiently impaired to put no one in danger but the bystanders;
    3. Enough Mead so everyone is too drunk and aggressive to sleep, and staggers to the Field of Honour at dawn, forgetting why they are there long before they reach it, except for the ones who've been lost on the way. This last group is in the greatest amount of peril, unless their non-comatose companions have been kind enough to drag them out of the middle of the road before they are run over.

    As you see, the many hazards of this violent practice have contributed to its being generally banned.

    I fear I would fall into Category 1.

    Mud or rapiers: hmm….

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  107. @Nicholas Stix
    She's got to sue PennLaw, and do so for millions of dollars, for defamation and violation of her prerogatives as a respected, tenured law prof.

    What Ruger is doing to her is very similar to what City College officials did to my old grad school logic prof, Michael Levin, ca 1988-1991. Levin sued and won, but didn't demand any monetary damages, so there was no painful lesson for CCNY. Meanwhile, during the same period, black supremacist CCNY prof Leonard Jeffries, who was not abused in the way Levin was, sued and won hundreds of thousands of dollars. And Jeffries should have been fired! (Among other things, his office had printed up and distributed death threats against employees of the New York Post and "the Jewish people"!)

    Jeffries had merely had his title as department head taken away, after almost 20 years, which he never should have had in the first place.

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire.

    Well, once the word Jew comes into the argument, its over! I wonder some times why the Idumeans, and Khazars are so special, and untouchable! You can say anything about blacks, whites, and others, so I wonder, is Ideumean/Khazar a race, or a religion, or what? If its religion, then is a fare game, as is Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. If race, then again fair game, such are the Irish, Brits, Germans, etc. so what is it?

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  108. Randal says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?
     
    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did graduate in biology with the faculty prize, I did get a doctorate in molecular biology and I did hold three academic appointments, briefly all at the same time, two of them at among the world's top 30 research schools. I have been a publisher of some of the highest impact scholarly journals in several fields of the life sciences and I have written a few thousand words about IQ and its deficiencies as a measure of intellect on other threads on this site.

    So I am not exactly a naive idiot to be talked down to by someone who seems to have little understanding of anything biological, and I am not inclined to repeat what I have said elsewhere on this site about IQ. But why don't you read it if you're so interested to know what it may have occurred to me to wonder?

    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did blah blah…

    In other words, shorn of all the blather, yes it has occurred to you to consider those things.

    I might be inclined to read what you’ve written elsewhere if you hadn’t come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: “Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent” and later: “Race realists are simply foolish racists“, but since you did choose to make your point in such a fatuous way it suggests you are an obsessive campaigner and probably an antiracist dogmatist, rather than an objective scientist.

    Regardless there are plenty of alternative experts with far superior qualifications to you who do regard IQ, subject to appropriate limitations and precautions no doubt, as a legitimate proxy for intelligence. Given that common sense inclines me to their side, up to a point, I’ll consider arguments against it if they are made but I’m not impressed by mere appeals to authority, especially if the authority is your own.

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    It's worth noting that it won't make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted. Scientific evidence is irrelevant. That's not how science is done these days. If the scientific evidence is politically useful or likely to advance the scientist's career it will be accepted. If it's not politically useful or it's likely to damage the scientist's career it will be rejected.

    Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Just take a look at the climate change hysteria.
    , @CanSpeccy

    I might be inclined to read what you’ve written elsewhere if you hadn’t come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: “Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent” and later: “Race realists are simply foolish racists“
     
    Of course, my dear boy, you are not obliged to read anything at all. But here, for anyone who is interested in the case for abandoning the notion that IQ measures intelligence, is a link to what I believe is a valid scientific argument.

    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, "intelligence" is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*

    I will however concede that people who score high on IQ tests are generally of high academic ability, which in turn is generally indicative of good career prospects.

    What I reject is that IQ measures some unitary property of mind that underlies achievement in all fields of human endeavor. Rather, it indicates only that IQ measurements have some utility as a proxy for assessing academic aptitude, which is to say the ability to achieve in a school system designed to develop the skills required in the higher reaches of the employment market. But that does not mean that the work of a competent tax consultant, proctologist or divorce lawyer constitutes the sole or highest manifestation of intelligence.

    ———
    *Paul Dirac, for example, one of the great minds of the 20th century, so it is said by those who understand him, was so inarticulate that friends honored him by naming after him a unit of verbal communication, the Dirac, which was defined as the utterance of one word per hour.

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  109. Randal says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things. The existence of hundreds of different religions attests to that.

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things

    That’s rather different from your asserting that there is “no scientific evidence whatsoever” for something that is the basis of many actual working scientists’ work.

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    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that IQ test actually measures intelligence or something related to it. Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.
    As to it being “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, this proves nothing, even if true. As we all know, if you believe that infinite growth is possible, you are either mad or an economist. Yet this belief is “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, at least if we assume that economics is a science. I can give many more examples, but what’s the point? Where beliefs start, science ends.
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  110. I write in defense of the law school dean at the U of Penn law school who barred Prof. Wax from teaching introductory courses on law. Having presumably accurately and publicly stated that in her experience few or no black law students were outstanding, what if in teaching an introductory class, a student black or white addressed or repeated that remark in class? Imagine a few black students present? Isn’t it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student! The black student(s) might likely take the matter to the dean. (These days, the professors are called to answer to the dean; in my day I was once called to the dean to answer to the charge of having hurt the feelings of my French professor. He had quoted the Peguy poem “Il n’y rien aussi beau qu’un enfant en faisant ses prières à Dieu” and I had laughed). So perhaps the dean acted prophylactically, figuring that it was best that Prof. Wax not teach introductory courses with black students present.

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    That’s the politically correct way of hiding from uncomfortable truth: pretend that it does not exist. If the actual achievements of black students in that law school showed that Dr. Wax is wrong, the data would be widely publicized. The fact that the University keeps them under wraps says that she is right.
    Following your logic, the dean should switch off gravity when there is a lame student in class, lest it hurts his/her feelings. Or turn the lights off to make blind students feel like everybody else. Preposterous!
    , @utu

    Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!
     
    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.
    , @Carroll Price

    Isn’t it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!
     
    So, what's hindering black students from proving her wrong?
    , @lavoisier
    There is some merit to what you are saying. If I were a person of color I would not want to take one of her classes--particularly if there was any subjective aspect to the grading system.

    But allowing any form of affirmative action will lead inevitably towards others questioning your academic credentials if you are a person of color.

    Affirmative action harms talented black and hispanic people.
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  111. @Randal

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things
     
    That's rather different from your asserting that there is "no scientific evidence whatsoever" for something that is the basis of many actual working scientists' work.

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that IQ test actually measures intelligence or something related to it. Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.
    As to it being “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, this proves nothing, even if true. As we all know, if you believe that infinite growth is possible, you are either mad or an economist. Yet this belief is “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, at least if we assume that economics is a science. I can give many more examples, but what’s the point? Where beliefs start, science ends.

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    Where beliefs start, science ends.
     
    That cuts both ways, of course. The impression I get is that belief is exactly what motivates you and others posting here to come and declare portentously that "there is no scientific evidence" for something that many, on the face of it at least equally qualified, people have devoted their lives to studying in the belief that there is scientific evidence for it.


    Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.
     
    The existence of evidence to the contrary is entirely different from the assertion that "there's no scientific evidence for it". In any complex area of science there will usually be evidence pointing in both directions, and the process of science is one of gathering more evidence, and seeking to find answers that best fit all the evidence. The answer to the question you suggest, by the way, is obviously: "it depends what you mean by intelligence".
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  112. mcohen says:

    A small book,well thought out,similar to the laws of kosher and non kosher items is called for.it would have to be something the layman could understand.
    This “bible” would list all known chemicals that are toxic to this earth and humans.it would list where they are found and manufactured.
    We need it now.
    a little book of horrors to make humanity aware of the consequences of modern life.
    For instance are car exhaust fumes kosher or non kosher.does driving a car commit a sin by poisoning people.

    Any help would be appreciated in starting up my …..”little book of chemical horrors”

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    Write me, Mickey
    Write me all night long
    'Cause if you write me, Mickey
    I can grow up big and strong
    Would you like a Cadillac car?
    Or a guest spot on Jack Paar?
    How about a date with Hedy Lamarr?
    You gonna git it
    How'd you like to be a big wheel
    Dinin' out for every meal?
    I'm the book that can make it all real
    You gonna git it
    I'm your genie, I'm your friend
    I'm your willing slave
    Take a chance, just write me and
    You know the kinda eats
    The kinda red hot treats
    The kinda sticky licky sweets
    I crave
    Come on, Mickey, don't be a putz
    Trust me and your life will surely rival King Tut's
    Take some initiative, work up the guts
    And you'll git it
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  113. Randal says:
    @AnonFromTN
    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that IQ test actually measures intelligence or something related to it. Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.
    As to it being “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, this proves nothing, even if true. As we all know, if you believe that infinite growth is possible, you are either mad or an economist. Yet this belief is “the basis of many actual working scientists’ work”, at least if we assume that economics is a science. I can give many more examples, but what’s the point? Where beliefs start, science ends.

    Where beliefs start, science ends.

    That cuts both ways, of course. The impression I get is that belief is exactly what motivates you and others posting here to come and declare portentously that “there is no scientific evidence” for something that many, on the face of it at least equally qualified, people have devoted their lives to studying in the belief that there is scientific evidence for it.

    Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.

    The existence of evidence to the contrary is entirely different from the assertion that “there’s no scientific evidence for it”. In any complex area of science there will usually be evidence pointing in both directions, and the process of science is one of gathering more evidence, and seeking to find answers that best fit all the evidence. The answer to the question you suggest, by the way, is obviously: “it depends what you mean by intelligence”.

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    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor (when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions) is the finest scientific tool ever invented. In complex (or any, for that matter) areas the scientists distinguish between a hypothesis (e.g., IQ test measures intelligence) and proven fact (e.g., the Earth revolves around the Sun). In the land of beliefs the Earth can be flat, or the Sun can revolve around the Earth, or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go, or anything else you can think of (and many things you can’t even think of). That’s the difference between science and systems of beliefs. They represent opposite worldviews.
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  114. @Anonymouse
    I write in defense of the law school dean at the U of Penn law school who barred Prof. Wax from teaching introductory courses on law. Having presumably accurately and publicly stated that in her experience few or no black law students were outstanding, what if in teaching an introductory class, a student black or white addressed or repeated that remark in class? Imagine a few black students present? Isn't it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student! The black student(s) might likely take the matter to the dean. (These days, the professors are called to answer to the dean; in my day I was once called to the dean to answer to the charge of having hurt the feelings of my French professor. He had quoted the Peguy poem "Il n'y rien aussi beau qu'un enfant en faisant ses prières à Dieu" and I had laughed). So perhaps the dean acted prophylactically, figuring that it was best that Prof. Wax not teach introductory courses with black students present.

    That’s the politically correct way of hiding from uncomfortable truth: pretend that it does not exist. If the actual achievements of black students in that law school showed that Dr. Wax is wrong, the data would be widely publicized. The fact that the University keeps them under wraps says that she is right.
    Following your logic, the dean should switch off gravity when there is a lame student in class, lest it hurts his/her feelings. Or turn the lights off to make blind students feel like everybody else. Preposterous!

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    Dear Anon from Tennessee,

    I said the opposite of what you objected to.

    I've had my feelings hurt, who hasn't? I just got Amy Wax's book out of the library but have only read about 5 pages. She is of the school of Bill Cosby, as she says: self-improvement is required on the part of Negroes. As John Derbyshire pointed out, she notices black behavior but does not express any hint of recognizing anything about African-Americans that keeps them from exercising self-control. I gotta a lot of things to do so I might not get back to reading Wax. I'd bet a nickel that she doesn't address the cultural issue, that Caribbean blacks in America exercise self-control like socialized white Americans, but Afro-Americans seem to have reinvented the life-style of swidden agriculture: women hoeing tubers and the guys getting drunk every day.

    In grammar shool (7th grade?) I had a crazy white lady teacher, Miss Black (no significance to the name). She had the whole class read Revelations (I kid you not, she had lots of copies). She told the jewish students (about 4 out of 20) that they would burn in hell because they killed Christ. Mothers whose kids were having nightmares complained to the principle Mr Shapiro about Miss Black. He gave her a pass because she was 1 or 2 years from retirement. Retrospectively, fast-forward 75 years, I bring up this amusing memory as an extreme case of having one's feelings hurt in school.

    RU suggesting that it is a good thing for a black student to hear that because of his genetic inheritance, he may hit the wall when law school gets to the hard stuff.
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  115. @Randal

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out.
     
    That's what is called "growing up" and "being civilised" in human society.

    Nobody naturally behaves as an educated, disciplined member of a modern society behaves. Everyone has to overcome his or her "nature" to some extent. This idea that there's something spiritually special about "natural" behaviour is hippy nonsense. Blacks are not so different from whites that they are another species, or aliens. There is huge overlap, and the fact that on average blacks might find it harder to discipline themselves to cultural norms that are positive - working hard, getting educated, being polite, restraining urges, especially violent ones, getting married and sticking with it, etc etc, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them doing it, or that a collective push in that direction would not improve their and our situation massively. It would.

    Whether separate societies are necessary is a legitimate point for debate, but that doesn't mean the argument that blacks should take responsibility for improving their own culture is invalid.

    Presumably your intention is to argue the latter in order to leave your preferred option of separation as the only available one. That's understandable, but there's no reason why anybody else should accept that tactic.

    Certainly, blacks adopting “grown up” norms would improve various metrics for them in many ways but is it what they really want and would it make them any happier. (I know that they like the stuff that white society produces, but they seem far happier acting black, even when such behavior leads to poor outcomes. The ride is just more fun to them.)

    Let’s invert this and say that whites would be “better off” adopting the grind culture that many Asians display. Would whites do better at school and work grinding away for an extra couple of hours a day? Yes. Would we produce more material goods? Yes.

    Would we be happier? I have my doubts.

    I’m simply saying that different population groups (races, ethnicities, etc.) tend to find their own sweet spot for various aspects of life which leads to very different societies. White society is not superior in a moral sense to black society which is not superior to Asian society . . . The societies are simply different, and, importantly, they fit the natural tendencies of their people.

    Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair. Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).

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    (I know that they like the stuff that white society produces, but they seem far happier acting black, even when such behavior leads to poor outcomes. The ride is just more fun to them.)
     
    I'm not sure there's any reason to believe this, and there seems much to cause us to doubt it, for many blacks at any rate. Even if it were, children prefer to be left to play rather than made to learn how adults behave in society. Doesn't mean they are happier in the long run if they are left to play.

    Let’s invert this and say that whites would be “better off” adopting the grind culture that many Asians display. Would whites do better at school and work grinding away for an extra couple of hours a day? Yes. Would we produce more material goods? Yes.
     

    If we were a minority in an Asian society constantly complaining about how our life outcomes were unsatisfying because Asians work harder, then yes I'd say the argument that we should collectively adopt Asian norms would be pretty substantive.

    Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair.
     
    No, it isn't. At least not when the "forcing" is just persuasion by pointing to better outcomes.

    Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).
     
    In the end if one group won't reduce or control behaviours that are unacceptable to the wider community (physical agggression, shooting, etc) then separation is a legitimate case to argue, for sure. But not on the basis of some kind of inherent "group nature" - that's way too hippy for my liking.
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  116. @Randal

    Where beliefs start, science ends.
     
    That cuts both ways, of course. The impression I get is that belief is exactly what motivates you and others posting here to come and declare portentously that "there is no scientific evidence" for something that many, on the face of it at least equally qualified, people have devoted their lives to studying in the belief that there is scientific evidence for it.


    Just Google “Do IQ tests really measure intelligence?” and you will find a lot of evidence to the contrary.
     
    The existence of evidence to the contrary is entirely different from the assertion that "there's no scientific evidence for it". In any complex area of science there will usually be evidence pointing in both directions, and the process of science is one of gathering more evidence, and seeking to find answers that best fit all the evidence. The answer to the question you suggest, by the way, is obviously: "it depends what you mean by intelligence".

    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor (when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions) is the finest scientific tool ever invented. In complex (or any, for that matter) areas the scientists distinguish between a hypothesis (e.g., IQ test measures intelligence) and proven fact (e.g., the Earth revolves around the Sun). In the land of beliefs the Earth can be flat, or the Sun can revolve around the Earth, or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go, or anything else you can think of (and many things you can’t even think of). That’s the difference between science and systems of beliefs. They represent opposite worldviews.

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    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor... is the finest scientific tool ever invented.
     
    "Although", or ""because"?

    ...or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go

     

    As opposed to rubbing enough molecules together fast enough can create an internal point-of-view?

    When black people believe this, it's called animism. When white or yellow people believe it, it's called neuroscience.
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  117. @Achmed E. Newman

    Is everyone happy now?
     
    No, not until it happens to me!

    (The witnesses can stay home on surf the web for this kinda stuff.)

    I doubt Prof. Wax is likely to conduct herself in such a manner, and given the physical appearance typical of the sort of academics who might do so, are you quite certain you wish to research this subject so directly?

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  118. @mcohen
    A small book,well thought out,similar to the laws of kosher and non kosher items is called for.it would have to be something the layman could understand.
    This "bible" would list all known chemicals that are toxic to this earth and humans.it would list where they are found and manufactured.
    We need it now.
    a little book of horrors to make humanity aware of the consequences of modern life.
    For instance are car exhaust fumes kosher or non kosher.does driving a car commit a sin by poisoning people.

    Any help would be appreciated in starting up my ....."little book of chemical horrors"

    Write me, Mickey
    Write me all night long
    ‘Cause if you write me, Mickey
    I can grow up big and strong
    Would you like a Cadillac car?
    Or a guest spot on Jack Paar?
    How about a date with Hedy Lamarr?
    You gonna git it
    How’d you like to be a big wheel
    Dinin’ out for every meal?
    I’m the book that can make it all real
    You gonna git it
    I’m your genie, I’m your friend
    I’m your willing slave
    Take a chance, just write me and
    You know the kinda eats
    The kinda red hot treats
    The kinda sticky licky sweets
    I crave
    Come on, Mickey, don’t be a putz
    Trust me and your life will surely rival King Tut’s
    Take some initiative, work up the guts
    And you’ll git it

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    So what route should i take to get submissions.the idea is to get retired academics and scientists to contribute.basically anyone with a working knowledge of dangerous chemicals etc

    My email is
    [email protected]

    So write me.i started this project in reaction to a vision i had of our sky turning a rust coloured yellow.my visions are seldom wrong.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Ros, I love you, gal, but that was just triflin'. ;-)
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  119. Randal says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Certainly, blacks adopting "grown up" norms would improve various metrics for them in many ways but is it what they really want and would it make them any happier. (I know that they like the stuff that white society produces, but they seem far happier acting black, even when such behavior leads to poor outcomes. The ride is just more fun to them.)

    Let's invert this and say that whites would be "better off" adopting the grind culture that many Asians display. Would whites do better at school and work grinding away for an extra couple of hours a day? Yes. Would we produce more material goods? Yes.

    Would we be happier? I have my doubts.

    I'm simply saying that different population groups (races, ethnicities, etc.) tend to find their own sweet spot for various aspects of life which leads to very different societies. White society is not superior in a moral sense to black society which is not superior to Asian society . . . The societies are simply different, and, importantly, they fit the natural tendencies of their people.

    Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair. Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).

    (I know that they like the stuff that white society produces, but they seem far happier acting black, even when such behavior leads to poor outcomes. The ride is just more fun to them.)

    I’m not sure there’s any reason to believe this, and there seems much to cause us to doubt it, for many blacks at any rate. Even if it were, children prefer to be left to play rather than made to learn how adults behave in society. Doesn’t mean they are happier in the long run if they are left to play.

    Let’s invert this and say that whites would be “better off” adopting the grind culture that many Asians display. Would whites do better at school and work grinding away for an extra couple of hours a day? Yes. Would we produce more material goods? Yes.

    If we were a minority in an Asian society constantly complaining about how our life outcomes were unsatisfying because Asians work harder, then yes I’d say the argument that we should collectively adopt Asian norms would be pretty substantive.

    Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair.

    No, it isn’t. At least not when the “forcing” is just persuasion by pointing to better outcomes.

    Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).

    In the end if one group won’t reduce or control behaviours that are unacceptable to the wider community (physical agggression, shooting, etc) then separation is a legitimate case to argue, for sure. But not on the basis of some kind of inherent “group nature” – that’s way too hippy for my liking.

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  120. utu says:
    @Anonymouse
    I write in defense of the law school dean at the U of Penn law school who barred Prof. Wax from teaching introductory courses on law. Having presumably accurately and publicly stated that in her experience few or no black law students were outstanding, what if in teaching an introductory class, a student black or white addressed or repeated that remark in class? Imagine a few black students present? Isn't it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student! The black student(s) might likely take the matter to the dean. (These days, the professors are called to answer to the dean; in my day I was once called to the dean to answer to the charge of having hurt the feelings of my French professor. He had quoted the Peguy poem "Il n'y rien aussi beau qu'un enfant en faisant ses prières à Dieu" and I had laughed). So perhaps the dean acted prophylactically, figuring that it was best that Prof. Wax not teach introductory courses with black students present.

    Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!

    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.

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    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.
     
    Wear 'em, hell! I can't afford gold-plated Air Jordans.
    , @grapesoda
    When you don't have a convincing argument, just make shit up! It never fails for the leftist media. A bunch of you clueless idiots are going to believe it regardless.

    Affirmative action, welfare, race-based set-asides... no matter how many special privileges white people give to blacks, you little crybabies are going to bitch and moan. Fine, get rid of all of it then. Let's put you in a country like Nigeria and see how much you like it. Just whine like a little bitch and make shit up. You know you can't compete so that's all you got left.

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  121. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of "Hey, here's a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?" I don't know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov't has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    Home schooling is not the answer. Thousands and thousands of small private schools is. I know so people who Ron one such place. Less that fifty kids, and practically everyone who works there has or had kids there.

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    Home schooling is not the answer. Thousands and thousands of small private schools is.
     
    Eventually. For now, if you can get your kids out of those stagnant pools of de-evolution known as public schools, the better for them and you. Assuming the Deep State doesn't just seize your kids and put them down. Rome was a liberal utopia compared to our Deep State overlords.
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  122. If we were a minority in an Asian society constantly complaining about how our life outcomes were unsatisfying because Asians work harder, then yes I’d say the argument that we should collectively adopt Asian norms would be pretty substantive.

    Well, there’s the rub, isn’t it. Blacks want the material wealth created by white culture but would prefer to continue to act black. So long as they choose to enjoy the benefits of our society, you are correct in demanding that they act in accordance with that society.

    But not on the basis of some kind of inherent “group nature” – that’s way too hippy for my liking.

    How is genetics “hippy”?

    Cultures follow biology, which can over very long periods be influenced by culture. In my youth, I lived and travelled in Europe. There’s a reason why German culture is very different from Spanish culture. Germans are a bunch of frickin’ anal worry-worts in general, while the Spanish – again, in general – are far less so. Their cultures reflect that genetic difference. What’s more, it influences their productivity.

    German GDP per capita is ~$44,600 while Spain is ~$28,000. I’m sure that the Spanish could increase their GDP per capita by acting a bit more German or, as you call it, “grown up,” but you know what, they don’t want to. Trust me, they’d much rather be a bit poorer than to act German.

    Vive la difference!

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    "Cultures follow biology, which can over very long periods be influenced by culture. "

    Certainly there is truth in what you say. But you have a knack for playing armchair anthropologist. Your observation about German and Spanish culture, for example, neglects to take into account environmental factors.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germans-are-worriers-irish-among-most-carefree-survey-1.1458201

    "Blacks want the material wealth created by white culture but would prefer to continue to act black."

    Created? Surely you jest. As Paul Harvey stated "Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto and into this continent by giving small pox infected blankets to native Americans. Yes, that was biological warfare! And we used every other weapon we could get our hands on to grab this land from whomever. And we grew prosperous. And, yes, we greased the skids with the sweat of slaves. And so it goes with most nation states, which, feeling guilty about their savage pasts, eventually civilize themselves out of business and wind up invaded, and ultimately dominated by the lean, hungry and up and coming who are not made of sugar candy."

    Now let us assume, however, that Germans are worry-prone due to their genetics. Consider that research has shown that trauma, stress, and even nutrition can change the chemistry of the genetic code, making it possible to pass it to descendants. Many groups of people throughout human history have experienced long periods of war, which assuredly is traumatic and stressful. Apparently, there is research conducted by scientists at the University of Zurich that would indicate that extreme and traumatic events can change a person and years later affect their children. Taking their study into account, one could reasonably suggest that the cause of, say African and black angst, lies in the damage inflicted by Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140413135953.htm

    Not convinced? Well, there is this study that shows how one person's life experience can impact subsequent generations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

    Ooops. Silly me. The study involves Jews and the Holocaust. Talk about a double hoax!

    "Certainly, blacks adopting “grown up” norms would improve various metrics for them in many ways but is it what they really want and would it make them any happier."

    There is no such thins as "grown up" norms, nor have most blacks refused, forgot, or neglected to "adopt them".

    "Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair. Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community)."

    Absolutely. You must go back to your ancestors homeland. It is patently unfair that you have been forced by outsiders to act like us.
    , @Randal

    How is genetics “hippy”?
     
    Because the reality is that people don't have spooky, spiritual "natures" that determine their entire future. They have genetics that establish dispositions, and in practice most will follow those dispositions unless encountering pressure, in which case many will repress their natural inclinations and live perfectly happily in a manner other than their unshaped nature might prefer. It's not a blank slate, but it is a matter of constant interaction and feedback. The idea that we have a "nature" determined forever at (or rather before) birth is inherently hippyish. It's what the sex change sickos appeal to when they claim to be "a man trapped in a woman's body", or vice versa. It's the fanatic's equivalent on the other side of the blank slate zealotry, when all of human life suggests the truth is somewhere in between.
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  123. Thomm says:
    @utu
    Don't you have your Indian problems in India? What about the mass outdoor crap taking by billion Indians?

    Since I am not an Indian, why would that matter to me?

    As a 70-IQ WN, you can’t register what you have been told umpteen times.

    Remember, you represent the waste matter that the white race expels genetically. If you and other WN wiggers were given a country, you would quickly make it worse than Haiti.

    You have no business taking credit for the success of normal whites like me. You are not the same race as successful whites.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

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    Go back to India. Take lots of TP with you.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I think your theory of mind regarding utu and his intentions are quite off. He's become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.
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  124. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Randal

    Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent, what is the point of insulting African-Americans by telling them that their kind is inherently intellectually inferior to Americans of other ethnic groups merely because, in the present state of society, their group has a lower mean IQ that some other groups in American society?
     
    How fortuitous that observed life outcomes and behaviour seem to conform broadly to what is predicted by IQ tests.

    Are we supposed to pretend that black collective behaviour is no different from that of whites, in the face of the incontrovertible statistical evidence? Do you have a better idea to explain that than the leftists' disgusting and self-loathing notion of "blame whitey forever coz it's all down to racism"?

    And do you think that the observed differences in physical characteristics that make eg professional US basketball virtually all black is down to white racism as well? Does it even occur to you to wonder whether, if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere? Or does your brain shut down immediately when approaching such thoughts, so as to avoid transgressing against approved dogma?

    if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?

    That’s very likely true, but we’re still a long way from a full understanding of intelligence, and from knowing precisely what it is that IQ tests measure. And we’re a very long way from being able to say how much of the variation in IQ tests is due to genes and how much is due to a whole grab-bag of social and cultural factors. HBD fans do seem to have a habit of overstating their case.

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    HBD fans do seem to have a habit of overstating their case.
     
    Indeed, but nevertheless between them and the antiracist dogmatists together with all the fearful conformists who go along with them, it is the latter which are the problem and the former which represent the solution.
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  125. @CanSpeccy

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.
     
    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race "realist" rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America's inner cities.

    the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority

    One thing I find annoying about the self-styled “race realists” is that they are not logically consistent. Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way. Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because… well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    BUT… what I observe is that these people have a constant moralizing discourse, this kind of sanctimonious tone.

    It really seems to me that these people should have to decide one way or the other. Either they believe that these people can’t do any better, so then it makes no sense to moralize. But if you do moralize, then you’re implicitly saying that these people are capable of doing better if they put their minds to it.

    Frankly, I think their position shifts around based on what gives them emotional satisfaction.

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    Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way.
     
    Actually, we believe that blacks doing poorly is a result of both genetics and environment.

    Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because… well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?
     
    I agree. I've mentioned more times than I count that much of what's written on the iSteve comment's board boils down to: Why don't other races (black, Hispanic (yeah, I know it's not a race), Asians, South Asians, etc.) act more like white people.

    The commentators around here are continually shocked, shocked to discover that population groups genetically (and culturally) different from whites don't act like us, which, in turn, turns into moralizing.

    I don't want to tell other races/ethnicities how to act or to chastise them for not being, well, like whites. Let them live how they want . . . as long as they live some place else.

    The nation-state truly is the best system. Live in your own societies governed by your own. What a crazy idea!
    , @utu
    Moralizing, emotional satisfaction,... The other day I was trying at iSteve to shift their attention while there was a feeding frenzy going but I failed. I tried to point out that among white population in the US there is 40 million strong White Subset that is IQ equivalent to whole population of Afro- Americans and somehow we do not spent much time and energy yapping about them and wondering what to do with them. So obviously the IQ issue is a sham.

    White population of the US contains a subset of whites who are equivalent in IQ to black population. Each member of this white subset can be matched with an African American of a similar IQ. The populations of both the white subset and that of African Americans are about 40 millions. Lets call them the White Subset.

    This White Subset is not being studied or nobody tracks their criminality as a group and their socio-economical successes and failures. No heavy guns of sociological science and psychometry are rolled out to explain their lives. No arguments about their IQ are being made. No controversy and no taboos.

    This White Subset does not have a separate identity as a social group. They do not know they exist. They do not have special organizations protecting them and fighting for their rights.

    This White Subset is completely artificial construct taken out from perfectly normal, nomen omen, normal distribution. Every mono-ethnic society has a normal distributions of various traits like abilities and so on. Some people are smarter than others and society can go on without paying much attention to such trivia and obviousness. Mono-ethnic countries like Germany, Sweden Poland each have their own White Subset and they managed to developed harmonious societies.

    If by some miracle of plastic surgery and skin color engineering we could give African Americans white external phenotype and furthermore make them forget their ethnic identity by some magic pill there would be very good chance that African Americans would become as invisible and as unnoticeable as the White Subset. The White Subset is out there and it does exist yet it does not matter.
     
    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families. I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe. Any group if immigrants that can't practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient. Jews did practice it but retained separateness and thus never assimilated.
    , @grapesoda
    I have no idea what you are babbling about. Please reference an actual instance of this and address that instead of arguing against a straw man.
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  126. @Rosamond Vincy
    As I posted on another article on Unz:

    They can’t fire her unless she staggers into class drunk and tries to rape a student in front of witnesses, but they already took her off a required course. If her elective courses don’t get enough students to run, she won’t have enough sections to be fully employed. When they do give her sections, they will be at odd hours and days, like a 7:30AM followed by a night class, so either she has to drive back and forth or sit in her office all day. Or they’ll give her back-to-back 2-hour classes with no lunch break. In different buildings, halfway across campus, so she won’t even have time to hit the bathroom, let alone hold office hours between two classes.

    And of course, they’ll give her The Freeze at faculty meetings.
     

    I don’t know, Rosamund. It is easy to think the worst case will come true, but maybe it’ll work out more like Wizard of Oz hypothesizes. Students at an institution such as Penn Law have a huge investment in the success of their future careers, so maybe it might work more like I proposed in response to another poster who had similar views to yours about how Prof. Wax was doomed. Thusly:

    JerseyJeffersonian says:
    March 23, 2018 at 2:46 am GMT • 100 Words
    @kimchilover

    Anyone with a lick of sense will check out her (and all other faculty members’, too) curriculum vitae. It is posted on Penn Law’s website. When they see the stunning background and accomplishments of the woman in her diverse career, I should be amazed if they don’t choose to study with her instead of with Larry Leftist the non-entity, a faculty nebbish who is currently hissing at her through his spittle-flecked lips. You want to find a way into the upper reaches of the profession? Why not study with the one who has been there?

    I mean, it could happen.

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    It could, and I hope it does. What could also happen is that students will be afraid to study with her because the Larry Leftist non-entities outnumber her, and they could find little ways to sabotage her students, or at least make graduating a little more difficult.
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  127. Svigor says:

    Sorry, brain fart: half of all Ashkenazi Jews have IQs below 108. The mean for non-Ashkenazi Jews is substantially lower.

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    Ashkenazi Jewish IQ is around 105. Also, there are not that many of them. Plus, many are now marrying blacks/Asians.
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  128. mcohen says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Write me, Mickey
    Write me all night long
    'Cause if you write me, Mickey
    I can grow up big and strong
    Would you like a Cadillac car?
    Or a guest spot on Jack Paar?
    How about a date with Hedy Lamarr?
    You gonna git it
    How'd you like to be a big wheel
    Dinin' out for every meal?
    I'm the book that can make it all real
    You gonna git it
    I'm your genie, I'm your friend
    I'm your willing slave
    Take a chance, just write me and
    You know the kinda eats
    The kinda red hot treats
    The kinda sticky licky sweets
    I crave
    Come on, Mickey, don't be a putz
    Trust me and your life will surely rival King Tut's
    Take some initiative, work up the guts
    And you'll git it

    So what route should i take to get submissions.the idea is to get retired academics and scientists to contribute.basically anyone with a working knowledge of dangerous chemicals etc

    My email is
    [email protected]

    So write me.i started this project in reaction to a vision i had of our sky turning a rust coloured yellow.my visions are seldom wrong.

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    Not a scientist myself, but I can tell you if you had your vision when you were driving through Queens at night, the sky really is that color.
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  129. dfordoom says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.
     
    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race "realist" rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America's inner cities.

    Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence.

    It’s politically amazingly stupid. The whole “race-realist” HBD thing pretty much guarantees that immigration restrictionism will never gain widespread acceptance, and that anyone trying to advance sensible arguments against immigration will be labelled as a neo-nazi white supremacist and ignored.

    In fact it’s so incredibly counter-productive that one can’t help suspecting it’s actually being pushed by the pro-immigration lobby as a way of entirely and permanently discrediting anti-immigrationists. Or that it’s being pushed by agents provocateurs.

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    In fact it’s so incredibly counter-productive that one can’t help suspecting it’s actually being pushed by the pro-immigration lobby as a way of entirely and permanently discrediting anti-immigrationists. Or that it’s being pushed by agents provocateurs.
     
    A combination of useful idiots and agents provocateurs. It always works.
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  130. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Randal

    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did blah blah...
     
    In other words, shorn of all the blather, yes it has occurred to you to consider those things.

    I might be inclined to read what you've written elsewhere if you hadn't come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: "Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent" and later: "Race realists are simply foolish racists", but since you did choose to make your point in such a fatuous way it suggests you are an obsessive campaigner and probably an antiracist dogmatist, rather than an objective scientist.

    Regardless there are plenty of alternative experts with far superior qualifications to you who do regard IQ, subject to appropriate limitations and precautions no doubt, as a legitimate proxy for intelligence. Given that common sense inclines me to their side, up to a point, I'll consider arguments against it if they are made but I'm not impressed by mere appeals to authority, especially if the authority is your own.

    It’s worth noting that it won’t make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted. Scientific evidence is irrelevant. That’s not how science is done these days. If the scientific evidence is politically useful or likely to advance the scientist’s career it will be accepted. If it’s not politically useful or it’s likely to damage the scientist’s career it will be rejected.

    Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Just take a look at the climate change hysteria.

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    It’s worth noting that it won’t make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted.
     
    That's needlessly defeatist talk (and I accept that I'm hardly one to accuse, in this regard).

    In reality, such intellectual fashions as the current antiracist dogmas tend to be totally dominant and seemingly irreplaceable - right up until they are swept away wholesale and replaced with a different dominant world-view. That is most likely what will happen with antiracism.

    Truth is not determinative, but it is a vital force multiplier in the conflict between such world-views, and the HBDers have more truth than do the antiracists, regardless of the fact that some HBDers do take their ideas too far. The reality is that the current antiracist elite consensus is extremist and fanatical, equivalent on the other side of the argument to the most dogmatic HBDers you could find here controlling society, and it is catastrophically damaging.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement. May I suggest that you have offered an overstatement which is obvious on reflection.

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Wrong I suggest to some degree in relation to all science but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.

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  131. @CanSpeccy

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.
     
    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race "realist" rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America's inner cities.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somewhat in intellect.

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche. Furthermore, the mutations that produce homo sapiens and other hominid branches also draw from the genes of the mutating parent. Quite probably, somewhere on the double helix are the remnants of genes from trilobite arachnomorph arthropods.

    Far be it from you or me to sneer at trilobites.

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    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.
     
    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation. Thus, however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today. They have a fertility rate far below replacement and they have a political system that subjects them to an genocidal elite that is replacing them with more fertile racial/cultural immigrant groups.

    Thus, however, superior in intellect whites are claimed by the race "realists" to be, they are clearly losing out in the evolutionary race to other groups, and very rapidly. Indeed they will be eliminated both in the US and most of Europe as the majority group within the life time of most of those alive today.

    Thus, without a radical change government policies, which would have to include an explicit and effective strategy for national survival, the Europeans best hope of posterity will be as contributors to the gene pool of today's invasive groups. That is why the former French President Sarkozy stated that "miscegenation is an obligation." Submit to the invader or know that you and your race and culture will expire without trace.

    But since most people are too busy with FaceBook, and other crap probably the white race is already doomed.

    , @Anonymous

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest.
     
    Correct - note that higher "intellectual" faculties do NOT necessarily equate success in breeding lots of offspring. See modern U.S. population statistics.

    Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.
     
    Not necessarily. Some gene-complexes could arise in a very short time (2-3 generations) as a result of random combinations that turn out to have a beneficial effect over and above the sum of the constituent parts.
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  132. @Anonymous
    Home schooling is not the answer. Thousands and thousands of small private schools is. I know so people who Ron one such place. Less that fifty kids, and practically everyone who works there has or had kids there.

    Home schooling is not the answer. Thousands and thousands of small private schools is.

    Eventually. For now, if you can get your kids out of those stagnant pools of de-evolution known as public schools, the better for them and you. Assuming the Deep State doesn’t just seize your kids and put them down. Rome was a liberal utopia compared to our Deep State overlords.

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  133. @utu

    Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!
     
    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.

    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.

    Wear ‘em, hell! I can’t afford gold-plated Air Jordans.

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  134. @in the middle
    Actually, I have noticed several Asians who are born with exceptionally high IQs. When I was in school, the theme was 'orientals are very smart!' so I dedicated my self to study hard, and do as they do. To my surprise, they are not smarter than any one else; what they do have is tenacity and aggressively study to outperform others. I did the same, and I did graduated ahead of all of them! Well, there it is. Jews do have that tenacity, and go out of their way to outperform others, especially their eternal enemy, the pale face, although most of them are pale faces, since they are conversos, or descendants of converted Talmudist. Whites, hating 'whites' for the simple thing that their white ancestors converted to Talmud-ism in the past. Religion, religion, religion.

    I did the same, and I did graduated ahead of all of them!

    Gracious, you “did graduated” didja?

    Gentleman’s C in English, right?

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  135. GuyBig says:

    Amy Wax trades upon the prestige of Penn Law School to get gigs as a guest on Fox and CNN. Her unpopular views are supported by her prejudices, not by empiricism. Penn students and faculty get angry about her because when she exploits the school’s name and its achievements, she supports her opinions with the received opinions of the Right and Far Right repeated back and forth ad infinitum. No facts and no data back her up. She is Penn Law School’s version of the “economists” Stephen Moore and Lawrence Kudlow. She gets Penn’s name out in the marketplace of ideas, but what she says and how she says it, debases the school’s name.

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  136. utu says:
    @dfordoom

    Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence.
     
    It's politically amazingly stupid. The whole "race-realist" HBD thing pretty much guarantees that immigration restrictionism will never gain widespread acceptance, and that anyone trying to advance sensible arguments against immigration will be labelled as a neo-nazi white supremacist and ignored.

    In fact it's so incredibly counter-productive that one can't help suspecting it's actually being pushed by the pro-immigration lobby as a way of entirely and permanently discrediting anti-immigrationists. Or that it's being pushed by agents provocateurs.

    In fact it’s so incredibly counter-productive that one can’t help suspecting it’s actually being pushed by the pro-immigration lobby as a way of entirely and permanently discrediting anti-immigrationists. Or that it’s being pushed by agents provocateurs.

    A combination of useful idiots and agents provocateurs. It always works.

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  137. @Another Realist

    Second, culture is an off-shoot of biology. Asking blacks to act like whites is unfair. They aren’t white. They’ll never be white. You’re asking them to act like something that they’re not day in and day out. Granted, you’re asking them to act white so that they are tolerable in our society which provides them with unimaginably more wealth than they could achieve on their own. But you’re still demanding that they be something that they’re not.
     
    Define "Acting White"? If you mean a set of traits like upward mobility, valuing education, hard work, thrift, integrity, get married before having children, staying married, law abidingness, punctuality, etc. I'd say these are pretty universal traits that most intelligent, successful people embrace. They are not unique to whites, and they are learned not inborn or heritable.

    Culture is often associated with race, but correlation does not equal causation. I posit that culture is a function of IQ not race. There are plenty of successful people of all races, and plenty of unsuccessful people of all races. There is no "white culture", "black culture", "asian culture", "hispanic culture", there is only "smart culture" and "dumb culture". Smart people embrace smart culture which includes child-centric parenting, upward mobility, hard work and striving to raise children who are even more successful than they are; stupid people embrace stupid culture which includes parent-centric parenting, no emphasis on education and upward mobility, hard work and not caring whether their children end up more successful than they are.

    More whites embrace smart culture because whites in general have higher IQ, sadly that trend is ebbing. There are plenty of upper middle class whites who grew up with parents who emphasized this smart culture and do alright for themselves yet end up raising loser children who don't embrace these cultural traits. Millennials are the first generation that will not do better than their parents. Luck runs out a lot quicker for those with lower IQ.

    Blacks who are stuck in the ghetto and lower class whites do not embrace smart culture because they have lower IQ. Smart blacks who got out of the ghetto have no problem embracing smart culture. Embracing smart culture is not "acting white", it's simply "acting smart". I think that's what Amy Wax is advocating as well, for America to return to embracing "smart culture".

    I was fine until you starter this exposition on culture and IQ.

    I am going to be politically incorrect here. There are cultures but they are not related to color. Culture is the various practices and beliefs that are existent and practiced among a set group of people, unique to them when taken in the contexts of their lifestyle. And within cultures various groupings of people have their unique set of cultural attributes common to them. Cultures: Hispanic, Congolese, German, French, British . . .etc. are categories that denote a unique culture. I would agree skin color has not unique attributes that denote a culture. Within our “american culture” there are urban cultures, rural cultures, suburban cultures, etc. There are even neighborhood cultures. The academic culture that exists today spent most of its history largely keeping most blacks out of it. So it is safe to say that what culture exists remains part and parcel that which encompassed mostly white people. Fortunately, blacks established their own academic cultures with available resources and developed a culture that is not that far different than any other academic culture comprised of people with various cultural practices from their state, city or rural community. Given the relationship of academia to culture, it’s a safe bet that whatever the environmental spinoff of academic community to IQ was largely denied the black population in massive numbers as one might expect –

    I appreciated the smart culture — reference minus any serious press that it is primarily or singularly genetically more dominant in whites. While anything is possible, that code has not been discovered and is blighted by the distribution of DNA over several million years. We may find it is linked to societies but skin color is quite a leap.

    Since IQ is not unique (depending on what one understands IQ is) is not limited to any culture. Whether it is biological and or environmental and the unique interactions that impact a particular problem solving has not been explicated.

    I think Dr. Wax makes the correct assessment in general but her limited view of the sample as to magnitude of time and size leaves her with some serious hurdles. It’s convenient to ignore impacts long term. Whether she is correct that blacks are not in the top half is a difficult question. It would be interesting to consider how many whites inhabit the top half of her class and what the top half is. One would calculate her total number of students white and black. Consider the various courses of study. Background, etc. and do the same for the white students. Maybe most of the students who might excel in her courses don’t take them. Or aren’t ion her field. Given the population variance It would be interesting to consider the number of black students in her department. Even every black student finished at the bottom of her class, won would need far richer tests to determine why said students don’t and just what that has to do with skin color.

    While I agree with “smart culture” introduction, I have to make room for real history white or black and admit there are a lot of reasons people live as they do that has nothing to do with being smart. If a society wants its people to be a certain way they provide every avenue to assimilate said product. It’s a tough slice of bread to cut away a quarter of the loaf from the baking process and wonder why they aren’t baked like everyone else — especially when everyone else isn’t baked despite being part of the whole.

    No one calculating the impact of getting hit by a car ignores consequences such as impacts beyond broken legs or because of broken legs. Her model is missing a lot of components required to make the conclusions she made. It’s obvious that eventually, depending on the ability to heal up the wounds that eventually one would walk without crutches. But when that would be is another matter . . .

    Worse consider that the injured party has had to share said crutches by more than 60% plus with others who either didn’t need them, were not part of some other accident(?) and then constantly had to justify their very existence on every issue they address. It’s one thing to teach law, it’s quite another to apply and practice it – in an injury case.

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    This demonstrates a rather poor understanding of current intelligence or neurological research in general. Culture or environmental factors certainly play a role, but intelligence is highly hereditary as per the twin studies. Many of the objections that "genetics cannot influence behavior" exhibit a ridiculous level of sophistry. It is akin to hormone production, and indeed, directly related at times: genetics influence hormone production, hormones influence neurotransmitter chemicals, neurotransmitter chemicals influence behavior including what we might call intelligence.

    Anyone who insists that genetics do not influence hormones(and thus behavior) needs to deny the existence of male and females...which I guess some people are working on. And that's just one vector by which genetics can influence behavior.

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  138. @Jonathan Revusky

    the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority
     
    One thing I find annoying about the self-styled "race realists" is that they are not logically consistent. Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way. Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because... well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    BUT... what I observe is that these people have a constant moralizing discourse, this kind of sanctimonious tone.

    It really seems to me that these people should have to decide one way or the other. Either they believe that these people can't do any better, so then it makes no sense to moralize. But if you do moralize, then you're implicitly saying that these people are capable of doing better if they put their minds to it.

    Frankly, I think their position shifts around based on what gives them emotional satisfaction.

    Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way.

    Actually, we believe that blacks doing poorly is a result of both genetics and environment.

    Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because… well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    I agree. I’ve mentioned more times than I count that much of what’s written on the iSteve comment’s board boils down to: Why don’t other races (black, Hispanic (yeah, I know it’s not a race), Asians, South Asians, etc.) act more like white people.

    The commentators around here are continually shocked, shocked to discover that population groups genetically (and culturally) different from whites don’t act like us, which, in turn, turns into moralizing.

    I don’t want to tell other races/ethnicities how to act or to chastise them for not being, well, like whites. Let them live how they want . . . as long as they live some place else.

    The nation-state truly is the best system. Live in your own societies governed by your own. What a crazy idea!

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  139. utu says:
    @Thomm
    Since I am not an Indian, why would that matter to me?

    As a 70-IQ WN, you can't register what you have been told umpteen times.

    Remember, you represent the waste matter that the white race expels genetically. If you and other WN wiggers were given a country, you would quickly make it worse than Haiti.

    You have no business taking credit for the success of normal whites like me. You are not the same race as successful whites.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

    Go back to India. Take lots of TP with you.

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  140. @CanSpeccy

    I agree in the fist take on the level of sentiment and inclination to all four.
     
    I agree with you on all four.

    It just seems to me that the IQists are such a dunderheaded lot that the only way to make them think is to prod them relentlessly, even if that means resorting to a degree of hype.

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somwhat in intellect. It is that diversity that makes me, as a former scientific person, committed to the fight against mass migration and the destruction of the nation states. I am absolutely for diversity, which means fighting relentlessly against the idiot diversity argument for racial mixing.

    But as for black/white differences in America, who can say what is genetic and what is cultural and environmental in the present state of society?

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group. Therefore, the continual race "realist" rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence. And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America's inner cities.

    We know that blacks can rise to heights of intellectual distinction, people like Thomas Sowell, for example. Moreover, African Americans are as capable of moral excellence as any other racial group.

    Averages matter. Pointing out the exceptions doesn’t disprove the rule.

    We all understand outliers. We also understand regression toward the mean.

    Therefore, the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority is insane. It is a monstrous provocation, unwarranted by any conclusive evidence.

    But blacks are on average inferior in terms of intelligence (however you want to define it). They are also superior in many athletic areanas.

    These are both true. Personally, I think the use of inferior or superior is silly. We’re just different – on average – and those average difference matter. The problem is when you force different population groups together and impose an ideology based on the false premise that they are capable in all endevors.

    And if there were conclusive evidence, it would be best ignored, since we know that whatever underlay such evidence does not prevent black Americans from being among the finest of humanity, morally, intellectually, and physically, whatever may be the degraded state of of those condemned to life in America’s inner cities.

    Outside of a few individual examples, please show me how blacks as a group have been among the “finest of humanity, morally, intellectually” populations in American history? (Note that I left out physically.)

    You’re tipping your hand, my friend. Pull the cards closer to the vest.

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  141. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority
     
    One thing I find annoying about the self-styled "race realists" is that they are not logically consistent. Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way. Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because... well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    BUT... what I observe is that these people have a constant moralizing discourse, this kind of sanctimonious tone.

    It really seems to me that these people should have to decide one way or the other. Either they believe that these people can't do any better, so then it makes no sense to moralize. But if you do moralize, then you're implicitly saying that these people are capable of doing better if they put their minds to it.

    Frankly, I think their position shifts around based on what gives them emotional satisfaction.

    Moralizing, emotional satisfaction,… The other day I was trying at iSteve to shift their attention while there was a feeding frenzy going but I failed. I tried to point out that among white population in the US there is 40 million strong White Subset that is IQ equivalent to whole population of Afro- Americans and somehow we do not spent much time and energy yapping about them and wondering what to do with them. So obviously the IQ issue is a sham.

    White population of the US contains a subset of whites who are equivalent in IQ to black population. Each member of this white subset can be matched with an African American of a similar IQ. The populations of both the white subset and that of African Americans are about 40 millions. Lets call them the White Subset.

    This White Subset is not being studied or nobody tracks their criminality as a group and their socio-economical successes and failures. No heavy guns of sociological science and psychometry are rolled out to explain their lives. No arguments about their IQ are being made. No controversy and no taboos.

    This White Subset does not have a separate identity as a social group. They do not know they exist. They do not have special organizations protecting them and fighting for their rights.

    This White Subset is completely artificial construct taken out from perfectly normal, nomen omen, normal distribution. Every mono-ethnic society has a normal distributions of various traits like abilities and so on. Some people are smarter than others and society can go on without paying much attention to such trivia and obviousness. Mono-ethnic countries like Germany, Sweden Poland each have their own White Subset and they managed to developed harmonious societies.

    If by some miracle of plastic surgery and skin color engineering we could give African Americans white external phenotype and furthermore make them forget their ethnic identity by some magic pill there would be very good chance that African Americans would become as invisible and as unnoticeable as the White Subset. The White Subset is out there and it does exist yet it does not matter.

    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families. I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe. Any group if immigrants that can’t practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient. Jews did practice it but retained separateness and thus never assimilated.

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    I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe.
     
    That is why, when they can get away with it, the act not as immigrants intent on assimilation but as settlers intent on conquest. For example in Latvia:

    Speaking in an interview with Latvia’s Morning Independent newspaper, the chairman and head spokesman of the Islamic Cultural Centre, better known as Riga Mosque, said:

    Islam will replace Christianity in Europe just as Christianity replaced Paganism centuries ago, and it will conquer by womb rather than the sword to make Latvia an Islamic State.
     
    , @CanSpeccy

    Any group if immigrants that can’t practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient.
     
    Maybe the US needs to reverse the decision of the Civil War, and declare the Southern States a black homeland, as they would inevitably have become had the Confederacy not been defeated. Then white southerners would be required to move North, while black Northerners would be required to move south and everyone could then live happily ever after.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families.
     
    Well, fine. That's a viewpoint. But again, why get moralistic about it? Personally, I reason that if I were a young man in Syria or Libya, in the current situation, I would also be trying to get to Germany or some other place that would accept me as a refugee.

    That, by the way, is NOT tantamount to saying that Europe should take in all these people. I'm just saying that if you know perfectly well that, in the same situation as them, you would be doing exactly what they are doing, then why express all this venom towards these people?

    If you're opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?

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  142. @mcohen
    So what route should i take to get submissions.the idea is to get retired academics and scientists to contribute.basically anyone with a working knowledge of dangerous chemicals etc

    My email is
    [email protected]

    So write me.i started this project in reaction to a vision i had of our sky turning a rust coloured yellow.my visions are seldom wrong.

    Not a scientist myself, but I can tell you if you had your vision when you were driving through Queens at night, the sky really is that color.

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    I had my vision while riding a Knight across a paisley board.He shook and whinnied like the grand beast he had become.The king fled to the upper easy side and was last seen having breakfast with tiffany at Jareds.
    One has to wonder at the follies of human existence.
    In france 70% of bird species have disappeared
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/catastrophe-as-frances-bird-population-collapses-due-to-pesticides
    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbers&ved=2ahUKEwj9nZWNvJPaAhWCoZQKHRrbCzIQFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1jMYZLOVIdJ1NtyQGKVCH5&ampcf=1

    Birds and insects are an indespensible part of our ecosystem.

    Next time you drive through queens give it some thought

    My vision of our sky turning yellow is frightening and i despair for my childrens future.it is a warning that needs to be taken seriously
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  143. @JerseyJeffersonian
    I don't know, Rosamund. It is easy to think the worst case will come true, but maybe it'll work out more like Wizard of Oz hypothesizes. Students at an institution such as Penn Law have a huge investment in the success of their future careers, so maybe it might work more like I proposed in response to another poster who had similar views to yours about how Prof. Wax was doomed. Thusly:

    JerseyJeffersonian says:
    March 23, 2018 at 2:46 am GMT • 100 Words
    @kimchilover

    Anyone with a lick of sense will check out her (and all other faculty members’, too) curriculum vitae. It is posted on Penn Law’s website. When they see the stunning background and accomplishments of the woman in her diverse career, I should be amazed if they don’t choose to study with her instead of with Larry Leftist the non-entity, a faculty nebbish who is currently hissing at her through his spittle-flecked lips. You want to find a way into the upper reaches of the profession? Why not study with the one who has been there?


    I mean, it could happen.

    It could, and I hope it does. What could also happen is that students will be afraid to study with her because the Larry Leftist non-entities outnumber her, and they could find little ways to sabotage her students, or at least make graduating a little more difficult.

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  144. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    If we were a minority in an Asian society constantly complaining about how our life outcomes were unsatisfying because Asians work harder, then yes I’d say the argument that we should collectively adopt Asian norms would be pretty substantive.
     
    Well, there's the rub, isn't it. Blacks want the material wealth created by white culture but would prefer to continue to act black. So long as they choose to enjoy the benefits of our society, you are correct in demanding that they act in accordance with that society.

    But not on the basis of some kind of inherent “group nature” – that’s way too hippy for my liking.

     

    How is genetics "hippy"?

    Cultures follow biology, which can over very long periods be influenced by culture. In my youth, I lived and travelled in Europe. There's a reason why German culture is very different from Spanish culture. Germans are a bunch of frickin' anal worry-worts in general, while the Spanish - again, in general - are far less so. Their cultures reflect that genetic difference. What's more, it influences their productivity.

    German GDP per capita is ~$44,600 while Spain is ~$28,000. I'm sure that the Spanish could increase their GDP per capita by acting a bit more German or, as you call it, "grown up," but you know what, they don't want to. Trust me, they'd much rather be a bit poorer than to act German.

    Vive la difference!

    “Cultures follow biology, which can over very long periods be influenced by culture. ”

    Certainly there is truth in what you say. But you have a knack for playing armchair anthropologist. Your observation about German and Spanish culture, for example, neglects to take into account environmental factors.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germans-are-worriers-irish-among-most-carefree-survey-1.1458201

    “Blacks want the material wealth created by white culture but would prefer to continue to act black.”

    Created? Surely you jest. As Paul Harvey stated “Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto and into this continent by giving small pox infected blankets to native Americans. Yes, that was biological warfare! And we used every other weapon we could get our hands on to grab this land from whomever. And we grew prosperous. And, yes, we greased the skids with the sweat of slaves. And so it goes with most nation states, which, feeling guilty about their savage pasts, eventually civilize themselves out of business and wind up invaded, and ultimately dominated by the lean, hungry and up and coming who are not made of sugar candy.”

    Now let us assume, however, that Germans are worry-prone due to their genetics. Consider that research has shown that trauma, stress, and even nutrition can change the chemistry of the genetic code, making it possible to pass it to descendants. Many groups of people throughout human history have experienced long periods of war, which assuredly is traumatic and stressful. Apparently, there is research conducted by scientists at the University of Zurich that would indicate that extreme and traumatic events can change a person and years later affect their children. Taking their study into account, one could reasonably suggest that the cause of, say African and black angst, lies in the damage inflicted by Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140413135953.htm

    Not convinced? Well, there is this study that shows how one person’s life experience can impact subsequent generations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

    Ooops. Silly me. The study involves Jews and the Holocaust. Talk about a double hoax!

    “Certainly, blacks adopting “grown up” norms would improve various metrics for them in many ways but is it what they really want and would it make them any happier.”

    There is no such thins as “grown up” norms, nor have most blacks refused, forgot, or neglected to “adopt them”.

    “Trying to force one group to act like another group is unfair. Let them find the society that works best for them . . . in their own land (or community).”

    Absolutely. You must go back to your ancestors homeland. It is patently unfair that you have been forced by outsiders to act like us.

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  145. @AnonFromTN
    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things. The existence of hundreds of different religions attests to that.

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things.

    They still do. Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.

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    Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.
     
    And other people accept the Bible as a narrative to live by, the literal truth of which is irrelevant.
    , @AnonFromTN
    I know. People believe even more ludicrous things. Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.
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  146. @Anonymouse
    I write in defense of the law school dean at the U of Penn law school who barred Prof. Wax from teaching introductory courses on law. Having presumably accurately and publicly stated that in her experience few or no black law students were outstanding, what if in teaching an introductory class, a student black or white addressed or repeated that remark in class? Imagine a few black students present? Isn't it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student! The black student(s) might likely take the matter to the dean. (These days, the professors are called to answer to the dean; in my day I was once called to the dean to answer to the charge of having hurt the feelings of my French professor. He had quoted the Peguy poem "Il n'y rien aussi beau qu'un enfant en faisant ses prières à Dieu" and I had laughed). So perhaps the dean acted prophylactically, figuring that it was best that Prof. Wax not teach introductory courses with black students present.

    Isn’t it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!

    So, what’s hindering black students from proving her wrong?

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    The thoughtful black in that class would be afraid that she is right, not wrong.

    How do blacks come to terms with it when an individual realizes that he is lacking in smarts like everyone else in that neighborhood?

    I've been asking women if as children their sex was explained to them. They say no. They all report a gradual habituation to the facts of the matter. Must be the same with blacks. Gwen Ifull that dear woman said she didn't check every morning to see whether her skin was black.

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  147. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm sure she's very smart and talented but why isn't she in Israel?

    I’m sure she’s very smart and talented but why isn’t she in Israel?

    Because she’s very smart and talented.

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  148. Truth says:

    I see no “Amy Wax” pictured above.

    I could see an “Anthony Wax”, although that name may be a little prole considering, the person in question’s track record of faux-intellectualism.

    I could possibly go for “Anton Wax”, if this person were to grow a handlebar moustache, use a handful of mousse, and wear a dinner jacket.

    I would probably, however, settle upon “Allan Wax” though, knowing that this is a general choice for y-chromosome-holding children of the ersatz-Hebrew sect.

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    There's our Truth again, waxing pathetic.
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  149. …someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number.

    Lowest four-digit number, 1000, in various bases, converted to base 10:

    base equivalent
    2 — 8
    3 — 27
    4 — 64
    5 — 125
    6 — 216
    7 — 343
    8 — 512
    9 — 729
    11 — 1331
    12 — 1728

    I’m guessing Derb is working in base 5. A 150 IQ would be an 1100 5Q, 175 would be 1200, and 200 is 1300.

    Note that 1000 in base 12 is one shy of the Hardy-Ramanujan taxicab number. Is that a coincidence, or something obvious?

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  150. @AnonFromTN
    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor (when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions) is the finest scientific tool ever invented. In complex (or any, for that matter) areas the scientists distinguish between a hypothesis (e.g., IQ test measures intelligence) and proven fact (e.g., the Earth revolves around the Sun). In the land of beliefs the Earth can be flat, or the Sun can revolve around the Earth, or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go, or anything else you can think of (and many things you can’t even think of). That’s the difference between science and systems of beliefs. They represent opposite worldviews.

    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor… is the finest scientific tool ever invented.

    “Although”, or “”because”?

    …or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go

    As opposed to rubbing enough molecules together fast enough can create an internal point-of-view?

    When black people believe this, it’s called animism. When white or yellow people believe it, it’s called neuroscience.

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    1. Certainly “although”, because being a Christian monk, he must have believed some pretty odd fairytales.

    2. This argument is old and tired. The process of evolution took ~ 3 billion years, because no complex entity (like a protein) ever emerged from nothing. The process went from simpler entities to more complex, in many rounds (say, amino acid, sequence motif, structural domain, modern protein). One has to remember that bacterial proteins evolved just as long as ours. People familiar with biology cannot explain the way modern life works without evolution. Just to give you one example: our mitochondria have their own genome, as well as faster and better-working eubacteria ribosomes (the entities that make proteins encoded by messenger RNA), but the cell uses larger and much slower archebacterial ribosomes for the same purpose, simply because eukaryotic cell emerged as a symbiosis of aerobic eubacteria (mitochondria in us; mitochondria and chloroplasts in plants) with anaerobic archebacteria (the rest of the cell). Still, I think the most convincing (especially for the uninitiated) argument against intelligent design is George W. Bush – nobody intelligent would ever design that.
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  151. @Truth
    I see no "Amy Wax" pictured above.

    I could see an "Anthony Wax", although that name may be a little prole considering, the person in question's track record of faux-intellectualism.

    I could possibly go for "Anton Wax", if this person were to grow a handlebar moustache, use a handful of mousse, and wear a dinner jacket.

    I would probably, however, settle upon "Allan Wax" though, knowing that this is a general choice for y-chromosome-holding children of the ersatz-Hebrew sect.

    There’s our Truth again, waxing pathetic.

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    And there's our Reg again, one blind-azz MF.
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  152. Joe Wong says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of "Hey, here's a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?" I don't know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov't has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    “I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family.”

    It seems you can’t see the wood for the trees, without realizing you are the victim of fake news and brain washing by those books on the Chinese Culture Revolution which were written by the haunted and evil minded people insisting to destroy world peace for personal gains by making people pit against each other with blinding hatred thru feeding you with amplified hearsays, lies, selecting reporting and distorted manufactured consent.

    You should know you are made to pay somebody who wants you to hate someone who has no relation to you, and you know nothing about them. Paying bunch of money to brought upon yourself load of unnecessary stress thru the thin air, this is really something beyond No Stupid Left Behind.

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    That is what marinating in more than a century worth of Zionist lies and deceit can do to a people. This process got accelerated after the fraudulent scofield reference 'bible' was introduced into the US.

    I'm glad the Chinese are not as easily blackmailed and persuaded to do the bidding of the (un)chosenites and I hope you guys stay that way! Uncle Sam, due to the continuous prodding of Uncle Schmuel is definitely old and tired, nearing his eventual death. He is old and cranky and at his worst. I just hope we get a soft landing and don't take down the rest of the world with us.

    I've thankfully left that madhouse circus sometime back to settle near your environs and I couldn't be happier. But the shadow of Empire is never too far even here. And with ready goyim like Mr, Newman here, a war is never too far

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  153. Joe Wong says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of "Hey, here's a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?" I don't know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov't has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world of the ‘Western existence and culture’, something that get almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

    The United States for 150 years has been overthrowing government, bombing, killing and waterboarding throughout Latin America, throughout the Middle East, in Europe, and in SE Asia on the fabricated phantom allegations. The number of young, old, men and women killed, maimed and crippled, as well as families destroyed and dislocated are in the hundreds of millions if not billion, yet the Americans still claim morality is their birth right and continue their butchering and war crimes as humanitarian intervention, the cold blood and psychopathic American deed is beyond sickening, they are isane and evil.

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    There is some truth in this, but reality is a bit more complex.
    The excellent Dutch 17th century sailing ships had nothing to do with murder or plunder, we designed and built them.

    The Dutch 17th century wealth, overestimated, did hardly come from far away, but from trade within Europa, we were, over sea, halfway between the Baltic and Russia and France and Spain and Portugal.

    The British steam engine was developed out of a coal driven water pump for mines, this made possible the railways, later steam ships.
    Difficult to see how plunder was involved, or inhuman practices, on the contrary, the pumping by hand could be abolished.
    Cannot think of any culture but the European who developed technology as this.

    That this technology as used for bloody colonial enterprises is true.
    Alas colonialism is not a European invention.
    As an example, the Inca's were great colonialists.
    Colonialism in Africa before white man was there, more than enough examples.
    Britons are sometimes called Anglo-Saxons, the Saxons were the colonialists, long ago.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    A portion of my understanding about the Chinese Cultural Revolution comes directly from Chinese people I know, as their personal experiences. What I see happening lately is that this kind of mess is starting in the US too. It won't finish the same way. Almost all the good people are armed and there are a couple of million home-schooled kids who don't receive all the bullshit.

    You are not just a bullshitter, Joe Wrong, but I can see you are a total nutcase. Why don't you go live in China? You will never understand the real America and Americans, as your mind doesn't have good qualities necessary. The concept of freedom that many still get is at a higher level than your brain can attain.

    You can put your victimizations in a sack, son. As far as destruction and mayhem, all governments are a party to this, but your Chinese one is in a class by itself - I don't know if it's a plus that the 30-40 million killed just in the last century are your own damn people. This is why I don't like ANY governments, but, again, freedom is beyond you.

    For the rest of the readers here, you've seen that commercial. "For the last time. You've seen Communism. Joe Wong is your brain on Communism."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtNm9CgA6U
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  154. @Joe Wong

    “I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family.”
     
    It seems you can’t see the wood for the trees, without realizing you are the victim of fake news and brain washing by those books on the Chinese Culture Revolution which were written by the haunted and evil minded people insisting to destroy world peace for personal gains by making people pit against each other with blinding hatred thru feeding you with amplified hearsays, lies, selecting reporting and distorted manufactured consent.

    You should know you are made to pay somebody who wants you to hate someone who has no relation to you, and you know nothing about them. Paying bunch of money to brought upon yourself load of unnecessary stress thru the thin air, this is really something beyond No Stupid Left Behind.

    That is what marinating in more than a century worth of Zionist lies and deceit can do to a people. This process got accelerated after the fraudulent scofield reference ‘bible’ was introduced into the US.

    I’m glad the Chinese are not as easily blackmailed and persuaded to do the bidding of the (un)chosenites and I hope you guys stay that way! Uncle Sam, due to the continuous prodding of Uncle Schmuel is definitely old and tired, nearing his eventual death. He is old and cranky and at his worst. I just hope we get a soft landing and don’t take down the rest of the world with us.

    I’ve thankfully left that madhouse circus sometime back to settle near your environs and I couldn’t be happier. But the shadow of Empire is never too far even here. And with ready goyim like Mr, Newman here, a war is never too far

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    Hey, I'm not a defender of all things American, especially the recent stuff (say, since the Constitution started getting ignored.)

    I hate to write things like this on Unz, but both of you guys are just fucking nutcases.

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  155. Truth says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    There's our Truth again, waxing pathetic.

    And there’s our Reg again, one blind-azz MF.

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  156. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Randal

    Look, I am not much inclined to go by credentials or to boast. But I did blah blah...
     
    In other words, shorn of all the blather, yes it has occurred to you to consider those things.

    I might be inclined to read what you've written elsewhere if you hadn't come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: "Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent" and later: "Race realists are simply foolish racists", but since you did choose to make your point in such a fatuous way it suggests you are an obsessive campaigner and probably an antiracist dogmatist, rather than an objective scientist.

    Regardless there are plenty of alternative experts with far superior qualifications to you who do regard IQ, subject to appropriate limitations and precautions no doubt, as a legitimate proxy for intelligence. Given that common sense inclines me to their side, up to a point, I'll consider arguments against it if they are made but I'm not impressed by mere appeals to authority, especially if the authority is your own.

    I might be inclined to read what you’ve written elsewhere if you hadn’t come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: “Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent” and later: “Race realists are simply foolish racists“

    Of course, my dear boy, you are not obliged to read anything at all. But here, for anyone who is interested in the case for abandoning the notion that IQ measures intelligence, is a link to what I believe is a valid scientific argument.

    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, “intelligence” is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*

    I will however concede that people who score high on IQ tests are generally of high academic ability, which in turn is generally indicative of good career prospects.

    What I reject is that IQ measures some unitary property of mind that underlies achievement in all fields of human endeavor. Rather, it indicates only that IQ measurements have some utility as a proxy for assessing academic aptitude, which is to say the ability to achieve in a school system designed to develop the skills required in the higher reaches of the employment market. But that does not mean that the work of a competent tax consultant, proctologist or divorce lawyer constitutes the sole or highest manifestation of intelligence.

    ———
    *Paul Dirac, for example, one of the great minds of the 20th century, so it is said by those who understand him, was so inarticulate that friends honored him by naming after him a unit of verbal communication, the Dirac, which was defined as the utterance of one word per hour.

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    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, “intelligence” is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*
     
    I disagree with this assertion of yours. I did read your comments on the other thread, and they seemed rather argumentative and dogmatically motivated.

    In reality, the usage of "intelligence" to cover other areas of what you better term "genius", such as sporting or musical talent is relatively recent in ordinary discourse and rather idiosyncratic in origin, though it has become more widespread over recent decades as it suits the modern leftist dogmas of inclusiveness and open mindedness.

    David Beckham is (or was) a footballing genius with a remarkable ability to identify and execute a perfect pass under pressure, but nobody but a deluded fanboy or a football commentator would honestly describe him as "intelligent" based upon that. "Able", fine, even "genius", but not "intelligent".

    Insofar as intelligence tests have tried to take account of such other aspects of human competence they become "ability tests" and not intelligence tests. And that clearly is an issue with "IQ" tests. But it doesn't completely invalidate the approach, as you claim.

    Your position reminds me of the classically dishonest one adopted by Jared Diamond at the beginning of Guns Germs and Steel wherein he dismisses the most obvious answer to the question he poses for reasons of political correctness dogma - it's not allowed to be true because it would be immoral - and goes on to construct all sorts of complicated alternative explanations, many of which are perfectly clever and probably also contributory:

    The difference is that Diamond marketed Guns, Germs, and Steel as the definitive politically correct answer to the query that must trouble anyone with much awareness of the world: Why are some races of humans so much more economically and scientifically productive than other races?

    Diamond charmingly phrased this as Yali’s Question, after a Melanesian cargo cultist the UCLA physiologist had met on a bird-watching trip to New Guinea:


    “Why is it that you white people developed so much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little cargo of our own?”



    It’s not that New Guineans don’t care about cargo. In fact, after observing American and Australian military men deposit upon jungle airfields vast quantities of delightful goods, they formed cargo cults to replicate the white man’s magic. As William Manchester recounted in Goodbye, Darkness: A Memoir of the Pacific War:


    The native is no dummy. He can imitate any rite. He puts together a facsimile of a telephone with tin cans and string. He shuffles papers and speaks into the can; then he searches the sky, predicting, “Moni i kam baimbai.” (“Money he come by and by”)...


    Frustrated, a New Hanover tribe formed a “Lyndon B. Johnson cult” in the 1960s. Even in New Guinea people knew that nobody was more effective with gadgets and telephones than Lyndon Johnson…. Somehow they amassed sixteen hundred dollars for a one-way ticket from Washington to Moresby and sent the ticket to the White House. Johnson didn’t arrive…. It seems a pity. LBJ would have made a marvelous king of the blackfellows, and he would have enjoyed the job immensely.



    And, of course, Diamond’s readers assumed that the racial disparities in accomplishment couldn’t be because some races had been evolving under conditions that select more for, say, foresight or cooperation. In contrast, New Guineans, living on the equator, have less need to worry about how to prepare for onrushing winter than do, say, Swedes or Koreans.

    “Most readers have never noticed that Diamond’s own Darwinian logic undermines the reassuring moral of his book.”

    No, that just couldn’t be true. After all, Diamond says, New Guineans strike him as smarter on average than Americans. Granted, Diamond didn’t have any evidence for this assertion of his, other than evolutionary hand-waving:


    ...natural selection promoting genes for intelligence has probably been far more ruthless in New Guinea than in more densely populated, politically complex societies…

    In reality, larger populations are more likely to enjoy rare favorable mutations.

    And no justification for Diamond’s hypothesis has emerged in the two decades since Guns, Germs, and Steel was published.
     
    http://takimag.com/article/rough_diamond_steve_sailer/print#axzz5BED0bVIH
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  157. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Carroll Price

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things.
     
    They still do. Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.

    Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.

    And other people accept the Bible as a narrative to live by, the literal truth of which is irrelevant.

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  158. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu
    Moralizing, emotional satisfaction,... The other day I was trying at iSteve to shift their attention while there was a feeding frenzy going but I failed. I tried to point out that among white population in the US there is 40 million strong White Subset that is IQ equivalent to whole population of Afro- Americans and somehow we do not spent much time and energy yapping about them and wondering what to do with them. So obviously the IQ issue is a sham.

    White population of the US contains a subset of whites who are equivalent in IQ to black population. Each member of this white subset can be matched with an African American of a similar IQ. The populations of both the white subset and that of African Americans are about 40 millions. Lets call them the White Subset.

    This White Subset is not being studied or nobody tracks their criminality as a group and their socio-economical successes and failures. No heavy guns of sociological science and psychometry are rolled out to explain their lives. No arguments about their IQ are being made. No controversy and no taboos.

    This White Subset does not have a separate identity as a social group. They do not know they exist. They do not have special organizations protecting them and fighting for their rights.

    This White Subset is completely artificial construct taken out from perfectly normal, nomen omen, normal distribution. Every mono-ethnic society has a normal distributions of various traits like abilities and so on. Some people are smarter than others and society can go on without paying much attention to such trivia and obviousness. Mono-ethnic countries like Germany, Sweden Poland each have their own White Subset and they managed to developed harmonious societies.

    If by some miracle of plastic surgery and skin color engineering we could give African Americans white external phenotype and furthermore make them forget their ethnic identity by some magic pill there would be very good chance that African Americans would become as invisible and as unnoticeable as the White Subset. The White Subset is out there and it does exist yet it does not matter.
     
    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families. I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe. Any group if immigrants that can't practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient. Jews did practice it but retained separateness and thus never assimilated.

    I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe.

    That is why, when they can get away with it, the act not as immigrants intent on assimilation but as settlers intent on conquest. For example in Latvia:

    Speaking in an interview with Latvia’s Morning Independent newspaper, the chairman and head spokesman of the Islamic Cultural Centre, better known as Riga Mosque, said:

    Islam will replace Christianity in Europe just as Christianity replaced Paganism centuries ago, and it will conquer by womb rather than the sword to make Latvia an Islamic State.

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  159. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Judging by the comments on this thread, a lot of people sincerely believe that IQ test measures the intelligence or cognitive ability. There is no scientific evidence for that whatsoever. I strongly suspect that the only thing IQ test measures is the amount of effort the person invested into preparing for that particular test. Everybody on the Admissions committees in colleges and grad schools knows that SAT and GRE scores tell you exactly nothing except how hard the person worked to prepare.
    Yes, person’s intelligence helps to translate the preparation effort into high scores, but that’s about it.
    Now, I am not saying that there is no genetic component in intelligence. I am not saying that all races are equal – I simply don’t know, and nowadays doing honest studies on this subject is not considered politically correct. The fact is, even if there was a test of actual intelligence, end even if the averages were different for different races and ethnic groups, these averages would have no predictive value in an individual case. It is well known among behavioral scientists that the smarter the species is in general, the grater individual variations you see. So, you can find a very smart individual in a not so smart group, or a very stupid individual in a group that on average is smart. This, you have to go by what you see in an individual, regardless of the group of origin. That would be real honest color-blindness, not the reverse racism pushed by libtards.

    All tests can be gamed through practice, even IQ tests. With the importance of IQ nowadays, any school worth its reputation will have the kids practising IQ tests regularly as soon as they can read. Mastering these tests will become a curriculum subject like any other.

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    Assuming black students are allowed equal (probably greater) access to practice material as non-black students, would lead one to assume that successfully practicing for IQ test requires the same basic IQ necessary for achieving high scores on IQ test.
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  160. @Thomm
    Since I am not an Indian, why would that matter to me?

    As a 70-IQ WN, you can't register what you have been told umpteen times.

    Remember, you represent the waste matter that the white race expels genetically. If you and other WN wiggers were given a country, you would quickly make it worse than Haiti.

    You have no business taking credit for the success of normal whites like me. You are not the same race as successful whites.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

    I think your theory of mind regarding utu and his intentions are quite off. He’s become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.

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    He’s become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.
     
    Could you elaborate? I am not seeing what you are seeing.
    , @Truth
    Yeah...you're both round-earthers.
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  161. grapesoda says:
    @utu

    Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!
     
    For the author and most commenters here this would be an impossible mental projection. Many of them still do not believe that blacks should be allowed to wear shoes.

    When you don’t have a convincing argument, just make shit up! It never fails for the leftist media. A bunch of you clueless idiots are going to believe it regardless.

    Affirmative action, welfare, race-based set-asides… no matter how many special privileges white people give to blacks, you little crybabies are going to bitch and moan. Fine, get rid of all of it then. Let’s put you in a country like Nigeria and see how much you like it. Just whine like a little bitch and make shit up. You know you can’t compete so that’s all you got left.

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  162. grapesoda says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    the continual race “realist” rant about black inferiority
     
    One thing I find annoying about the self-styled "race realists" is that they are not logically consistent. Their position is that the reasons that blacks doing poorly is genetics, i.e. they are born that way. Well, if that is your belief, then surely that obviates any moralizing, because... well, these people are born that way and simply cannot do any better.

    So moralizing makes no sense, right?

    BUT... what I observe is that these people have a constant moralizing discourse, this kind of sanctimonious tone.

    It really seems to me that these people should have to decide one way or the other. Either they believe that these people can't do any better, so then it makes no sense to moralize. But if you do moralize, then you're implicitly saying that these people are capable of doing better if they put their minds to it.

    Frankly, I think their position shifts around based on what gives them emotional satisfaction.

    I have no idea what you are babbling about. Please reference an actual instance of this and address that instead of arguing against a straw man.

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    I have no idea what you are babbling about.
     
    So what? Fortunately, the world, objective reality, is not at all constrained by the limits of your understanding.
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  163. mcohen says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Not a scientist myself, but I can tell you if you had your vision when you were driving through Queens at night, the sky really is that color.

    I had my vision while riding a Knight across a paisley board.He shook and whinnied like the grand beast he had become.The king fled to the upper easy side and was last seen having breakfast with tiffany at Jareds.
    One has to wonder at the follies of human existence.
    In france 70% of bird species have disappeared

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/catastrophe-as-frances-bird-population-collapses-due-to-pesticides

    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbers&ved=2ahUKEwj9nZWNvJPaAhWCoZQKHRrbCzIQFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1jMYZLOVIdJ1NtyQGKVCH5&ampcf=1

    Birds and insects are an indespensible part of our ecosystem.

    Next time you drive through queens give it some thought

    My vision of our sky turning yellow is frightening and i despair for my childrens future.it is a warning that needs to be taken seriously

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    I drove through Queens only once, when my then-boyfriend poisoned himself with Mead on Wrong Island and I had to drive the Chevy Blazer back to Queens and spend 20 minutes see-sawing to parallel-park it in a typically overcrowded block. The rest of the time, I took public trans like everybody else.
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  164. @Mike Zwick

    As can be seen from that transcript, I gave them straight race realism on the rocks. Again to their credit, I was received cordially and thoughtfully, confirming Jared Taylor’s observation that blacks, or some large subset of them, are fascinated to hear a white person speak honestly about race.

    Why wouldn’t they be? Things that are extremely rare are naturally fascinating.
     
    In 1980's Chicago, there used to be a person on the radio that spoke his mind, and used his show to speak realistically about race. That was Steve Dahl. The other radio stations in town always tore into him, especially the "progressive" rock station, who referred to him and his on air partner, Garry Meier as "the racists down the dial." Ironically, Steve Dahl had the largest black audience in the city. It was even bigger than the "black" radio stations. Blacks enjoyed the candor and honesty Steve Dahl had, and the non-patronizing and non-condescending "conversation" about race that he had on his radio show.

    & how did that end?

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  165. @AnonFromTN
    That’s the politically correct way of hiding from uncomfortable truth: pretend that it does not exist. If the actual achievements of black students in that law school showed that Dr. Wax is wrong, the data would be widely publicized. The fact that the University keeps them under wraps says that she is right.
    Following your logic, the dean should switch off gravity when there is a lame student in class, lest it hurts his/her feelings. Or turn the lights off to make blind students feel like everybody else. Preposterous!

    Dear Anon from Tennessee,

    I said the opposite of what you objected to.

    I’ve had my feelings hurt, who hasn’t? I just got Amy Wax’s book out of the library but have only read about 5 pages. She is of the school of Bill Cosby, as she says: self-improvement is required on the part of Negroes. As John Derbyshire pointed out, she notices black behavior but does not express any hint of recognizing anything about African-Americans that keeps them from exercising self-control. I gotta a lot of things to do so I might not get back to reading Wax. I’d bet a nickel that she doesn’t address the cultural issue, that Caribbean blacks in America exercise self-control like socialized white Americans, but Afro-Americans seem to have reinvented the life-style of swidden agriculture: women hoeing tubers and the guys getting drunk every day.

    In grammar shool (7th grade?) I had a crazy white lady teacher, Miss Black (no significance to the name). She had the whole class read Revelations (I kid you not, she had lots of copies). She told the jewish students (about 4 out of 20) that they would burn in hell because they killed Christ. Mothers whose kids were having nightmares complained to the principle Mr Shapiro about Miss Black. He gave her a pass because she was 1 or 2 years from retirement. Retrospectively, fast-forward 75 years, I bring up this amusing memory as an extreme case of having one’s feelings hurt in school.

    RU suggesting that it is a good thing for a black student to hear that because of his genetic inheritance, he may hit the wall when law school gets to the hard stuff.

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    Here you are mixing hypotheses (like Hell, which is absent in many religions, including the original Abrahamic faith that evolved into present-day Judaism) with proven facts. Your teacher assumed that her faith (which can be called a hypothesis at best, if one is extremely charitable) is the Truth. Having grown up in the USSR, I feel immunized against many kinds of BS – whenever something is claimed to be the Truth with a capital T, be it communism or any other religion, I smell the rat. It might sound cynical, but it helps.
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  166. @Carroll Price

    Isn’t it hurtful to them to hear the Prof. confirm that in her experience etc.? Put yourself in the shoes of the putative black student!
     
    So, what's hindering black students from proving her wrong?

    The thoughtful black in that class would be afraid that she is right, not wrong.

    How do blacks come to terms with it when an individual realizes that he is lacking in smarts like everyone else in that neighborhood?

    I’ve been asking women if as children their sex was explained to them. They say no. They all report a gradual habituation to the facts of the matter. Must be the same with blacks. Gwen Ifull that dear woman said she didn’t check every morning to see whether her skin was black.

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  167. Randal says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    If we were a minority in an Asian society constantly complaining about how our life outcomes were unsatisfying because Asians work harder, then yes I’d say the argument that we should collectively adopt Asian norms would be pretty substantive.
     
    Well, there's the rub, isn't it. Blacks want the material wealth created by white culture but would prefer to continue to act black. So long as they choose to enjoy the benefits of our society, you are correct in demanding that they act in accordance with that society.

    But not on the basis of some kind of inherent “group nature” – that’s way too hippy for my liking.

     

    How is genetics "hippy"?

    Cultures follow biology, which can over very long periods be influenced by culture. In my youth, I lived and travelled in Europe. There's a reason why German culture is very different from Spanish culture. Germans are a bunch of frickin' anal worry-worts in general, while the Spanish - again, in general - are far less so. Their cultures reflect that genetic difference. What's more, it influences their productivity.

    German GDP per capita is ~$44,600 while Spain is ~$28,000. I'm sure that the Spanish could increase their GDP per capita by acting a bit more German or, as you call it, "grown up," but you know what, they don't want to. Trust me, they'd much rather be a bit poorer than to act German.

    Vive la difference!

    How is genetics “hippy”?

    Because the reality is that people don’t have spooky, spiritual “natures” that determine their entire future. They have genetics that establish dispositions, and in practice most will follow those dispositions unless encountering pressure, in which case many will repress their natural inclinations and live perfectly happily in a manner other than their unshaped nature might prefer. It’s not a blank slate, but it is a matter of constant interaction and feedback. The idea that we have a “nature” determined forever at (or rather before) birth is inherently hippyish. It’s what the sex change sickos appeal to when they claim to be “a man trapped in a woman’s body”, or vice versa. It’s the fanatic’s equivalent on the other side of the blank slate zealotry, when all of human life suggests the truth is somewhere in between.

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  168. Randal says:
    @dfordoom

    if physical characteristics can vary according to race, then so can intelligence (including multiple kinds of intelligence, if you prefer), which presumably depends upon physical characteristics in the brain and elsewhere?
     
    That's very likely true, but we're still a long way from a full understanding of intelligence, and from knowing precisely what it is that IQ tests measure. And we're a very long way from being able to say how much of the variation in IQ tests is due to genes and how much is due to a whole grab-bag of social and cultural factors. HBD fans do seem to have a habit of overstating their case.

    HBD fans do seem to have a habit of overstating their case.

    Indeed, but nevertheless between them and the antiracist dogmatists together with all the fearful conformists who go along with them, it is the latter which are the problem and the former which represent the solution.

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  169. Randal says:
    @dfordoom
    It's worth noting that it won't make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted. Scientific evidence is irrelevant. That's not how science is done these days. If the scientific evidence is politically useful or likely to advance the scientist's career it will be accepted. If it's not politically useful or it's likely to damage the scientist's career it will be rejected.

    Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Just take a look at the climate change hysteria.

    It’s worth noting that it won’t make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted.

    That’s needlessly defeatist talk (and I accept that I’m hardly one to accuse, in this regard).

    In reality, such intellectual fashions as the current antiracist dogmas tend to be totally dominant and seemingly irreplaceable – right up until they are swept away wholesale and replaced with a different dominant world-view. That is most likely what will happen with antiracism.

    Truth is not determinative, but it is a vital force multiplier in the conflict between such world-views, and the HBDers have more truth than do the antiracists, regardless of the fact that some HBDers do take their ideas too far. The reality is that the current antiracist elite consensus is extremist and fanatical, equivalent on the other side of the argument to the most dogmatic HBDers you could find here controlling society, and it is catastrophically damaging.

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    In reality, such intellectual fashions as the current antiracist dogmas tend to be totally dominant and seemingly irreplaceable – right up until they are swept away wholesale and replaced with a different dominant world-view. That is most likely what will happen with antiracism.
     
    That is of course quite plausible although it could probably only happen in the aftermath of a major political change sea-change, such as the final abandonment of the entire charade of liberal democracy.

    A regime that no longer bothers even to pay lip service to liberal democracy might decide that antiracist dogmas (and other PC dogmas) are no longer either necessary or useful.

    It could be an authoritarian regime of either the left or the right that decides that PC has outlived its usefulness. Such a regime change does seem quite possible.
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  170. @res
    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     

    res wrote:

    As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.

    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    One reason that might happen is that intelligence (at least visual-spatial intelligence) is connected with the ability to create and manipulate mental images. Perhaps people with a super-human ability in that area just get lost in their own mental images.

    I did my undergrad degree at Caltech, the most academically selective school in the country (we looked down on MIT and laughed at the Ivies — yeah, I know, they made more money than we did), and I knew a number of truly brilliant math majors. Based on that experience, I find my hypothesis more than plausible.

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    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.
     
    I basically agree with you, but think there is a decent chance you would just be dead thanks to some unexpected interaction (e.g. an undetected case of heterozygote advantage where homozygous recessive is fatal, something like Tay-Sachs disease is thought to be).

    There is a decent argument made that simple genetic "spell checking" (e.g. removing all low frequency alleles that have negative IQ coefficients) would be likely to be purely positive. However, your point still applies there.

    Or we could go off into the philosophical deep end and wonder whether if there was a large enough group of beyond super brilliant math majors they would seem more sane and we would seem less so.

    P.S. You probably know this already, but the person who wrote the excerpts I gave is another Caltech physics undergrad--Steve Hsu.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

     

    I suspect this as well - its very probably that you can get a lot more productivity and output from someone with highly sensitive dopamine system, but such a person would also be very prone to addictions(esp. gambling) or even actual mania symptoms.
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  171. Randal says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I might be inclined to read what you’ve written elsewhere if you hadn’t come across as such an arse, asserting absurdly: “Since the concept of IQ as a measure of intelligence is hardly intelligent” and later: “Race realists are simply foolish racists“
     
    Of course, my dear boy, you are not obliged to read anything at all. But here, for anyone who is interested in the case for abandoning the notion that IQ measures intelligence, is a link to what I believe is a valid scientific argument.

    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, "intelligence" is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*

    I will however concede that people who score high on IQ tests are generally of high academic ability, which in turn is generally indicative of good career prospects.

    What I reject is that IQ measures some unitary property of mind that underlies achievement in all fields of human endeavor. Rather, it indicates only that IQ measurements have some utility as a proxy for assessing academic aptitude, which is to say the ability to achieve in a school system designed to develop the skills required in the higher reaches of the employment market. But that does not mean that the work of a competent tax consultant, proctologist or divorce lawyer constitutes the sole or highest manifestation of intelligence.

    ———
    *Paul Dirac, for example, one of the great minds of the 20th century, so it is said by those who understand him, was so inarticulate that friends honored him by naming after him a unit of verbal communication, the Dirac, which was defined as the utterance of one word per hour.

    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, “intelligence” is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*

    I disagree with this assertion of yours. I did read your comments on the other thread, and they seemed rather argumentative and dogmatically motivated.

    In reality, the usage of “intelligence” to cover other areas of what you better term “genius”, such as sporting or musical talent is relatively recent in ordinary discourse and rather idiosyncratic in origin, though it has become more widespread over recent decades as it suits the modern leftist dogmas of inclusiveness and open mindedness.

    David Beckham is (or was) a footballing genius with a remarkable ability to identify and execute a perfect pass under pressure, but nobody but a deluded fanboy or a football commentator would honestly describe him as “intelligent” based upon that. “Able”, fine, even “genius”, but not “intelligent”.

    Insofar as intelligence tests have tried to take account of such other aspects of human competence they become “ability tests” and not intelligence tests. And that clearly is an issue with “IQ” tests. But it doesn’t completely invalidate the approach, as you claim.

    Your position reminds me of the classically dishonest one adopted by Jared Diamond at the beginning of Guns Germs and Steel wherein he dismisses the most obvious answer to the question he poses for reasons of political correctness dogma – it’s not allowed to be true because it would be immoral – and goes on to construct all sorts of complicated alternative explanations, many of which are perfectly clever and probably also contributory:

    The difference is that Diamond marketed Guns, Germs, and Steel as the definitive politically correct answer to the query that must trouble anyone with much awareness of the world: Why are some races of humans so much more economically and scientifically productive than other races?

    Diamond charmingly phrased this as Yali’s Question, after a Melanesian cargo cultist the UCLA physiologist had met on a bird-watching trip to New Guinea:

    “Why is it that you white people developed so much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little cargo of our own?”

    It’s not that New Guineans don’t care about cargo. In fact, after observing American and Australian military men deposit upon jungle airfields vast quantities of delightful goods, they formed cargo cults to replicate the white man’s magic. As William Manchester recounted in Goodbye, Darkness: A Memoir of the Pacific War:

    The native is no dummy. He can imitate any rite. He puts together a facsimile of a telephone with tin cans and string. He shuffles papers and speaks into the can; then he searches the sky, predicting, “Moni i kam baimbai.” (“Money he come by and by”)…

    Frustrated, a New Hanover tribe formed a “Lyndon B. Johnson cult” in the 1960s. Even in New Guinea people knew that nobody was more effective with gadgets and telephones than Lyndon Johnson…. Somehow they amassed sixteen hundred dollars for a one-way ticket from Washington to Moresby and sent the ticket to the White House. Johnson didn’t arrive…. It seems a pity. LBJ would have made a marvelous king of the blackfellows, and he would have enjoyed the job immensely.

    And, of course, Diamond’s readers assumed that the racial disparities in accomplishment couldn’t be because some races had been evolving under conditions that select more for, say, foresight or cooperation. In contrast, New Guineans, living on the equator, have less need to worry about how to prepare for onrushing winter than do, say, Swedes or Koreans.

    “Most readers have never noticed that Diamond’s own Darwinian logic undermines the reassuring moral of his book.”

    No, that just couldn’t be true. After all, Diamond says, New Guineans strike him as smarter on average than Americans. Granted, Diamond didn’t have any evidence for this assertion of his, other than evolutionary hand-waving:

    …natural selection promoting genes for intelligence has probably been far more ruthless in New Guinea than in more densely populated, politically complex societies…

    In reality, larger populations are more likely to enjoy rare favorable mutations.

    And no justification for Diamond’s hypothesis has emerged in the two decades since Guns, Germs, and Steel was published.

    http://takimag.com/article/rough_diamond_steve_sailer/print#axzz5BED0bVIH

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    Well put.

    Was it that review by Steve that caused Jared Diamond to withdraw from participation in Steve's Human Biodiversty egroup?

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  172. @Wizard of Oz
    I think you've looked at the wrong (the first) photograph. Have another look. What do you think?

    I think she still looks pretty fierce to me. ;-)

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  173. @dfordoom
    It's worth noting that it won't make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted. Scientific evidence is irrelevant. That's not how science is done these days. If the scientific evidence is politically useful or likely to advance the scientist's career it will be accepted. If it's not politically useful or it's likely to damage the scientist's career it will be rejected.

    Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Just take a look at the climate change hysteria.

    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement. May I suggest that you have offered an overstatement which is obvious on reflection.

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Wrong I suggest to some degree in relation to all science but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.

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    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world.
     
    You're right. I should have qualified that. Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters more to science today than political correctness, careerism and maintaining the flow of funding is living in a dream world.

    but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.
     
    If the Large Hadron Collider provided evidence that conflicted with the dogmas of political correctness I'm confident that such evidence would be suppressed and that funding for the Large Hadron Collider would suddenly dry up.

    Doing science today is a political act because in our world everything is a political act.
    , @Bill

    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement.
     
    Hyperbole makes autists sad. There is nothing more important than the happiness of autists. Therefore, never use hyperbole.
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  174. @Rosamond Vincy
    Write me, Mickey
    Write me all night long
    'Cause if you write me, Mickey
    I can grow up big and strong
    Would you like a Cadillac car?
    Or a guest spot on Jack Paar?
    How about a date with Hedy Lamarr?
    You gonna git it
    How'd you like to be a big wheel
    Dinin' out for every meal?
    I'm the book that can make it all real
    You gonna git it
    I'm your genie, I'm your friend
    I'm your willing slave
    Take a chance, just write me and
    You know the kinda eats
    The kinda red hot treats
    The kinda sticky licky sweets
    I crave
    Come on, Mickey, don't be a putz
    Trust me and your life will surely rival King Tut's
    Take some initiative, work up the guts
    And you'll git it

    Ros, I love you, gal, but that was just triflin’. ;-)

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  175. @Randal

    In addition, there is the fact that by common usage, “intelligence” is a concept much broader than IQ. In particular, it includes every form of genius, musical, artistic, mathematical, however autistic, brain damaged or seemingly moronic the individual of genius may be in domains other than their peculiar talent.*
     
    I disagree with this assertion of yours. I did read your comments on the other thread, and they seemed rather argumentative and dogmatically motivated.

    In reality, the usage of "intelligence" to cover other areas of what you better term "genius", such as sporting or musical talent is relatively recent in ordinary discourse and rather idiosyncratic in origin, though it has become more widespread over recent decades as it suits the modern leftist dogmas of inclusiveness and open mindedness.

    David Beckham is (or was) a footballing genius with a remarkable ability to identify and execute a perfect pass under pressure, but nobody but a deluded fanboy or a football commentator would honestly describe him as "intelligent" based upon that. "Able", fine, even "genius", but not "intelligent".

    Insofar as intelligence tests have tried to take account of such other aspects of human competence they become "ability tests" and not intelligence tests. And that clearly is an issue with "IQ" tests. But it doesn't completely invalidate the approach, as you claim.

    Your position reminds me of the classically dishonest one adopted by Jared Diamond at the beginning of Guns Germs and Steel wherein he dismisses the most obvious answer to the question he poses for reasons of political correctness dogma - it's not allowed to be true because it would be immoral - and goes on to construct all sorts of complicated alternative explanations, many of which are perfectly clever and probably also contributory:

    The difference is that Diamond marketed Guns, Germs, and Steel as the definitive politically correct answer to the query that must trouble anyone with much awareness of the world: Why are some races of humans so much more economically and scientifically productive than other races?

    Diamond charmingly phrased this as Yali’s Question, after a Melanesian cargo cultist the UCLA physiologist had met on a bird-watching trip to New Guinea:


    “Why is it that you white people developed so much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little cargo of our own?”



    It’s not that New Guineans don’t care about cargo. In fact, after observing American and Australian military men deposit upon jungle airfields vast quantities of delightful goods, they formed cargo cults to replicate the white man’s magic. As William Manchester recounted in Goodbye, Darkness: A Memoir of the Pacific War:


    The native is no dummy. He can imitate any rite. He puts together a facsimile of a telephone with tin cans and string. He shuffles papers and speaks into the can; then he searches the sky, predicting, “Moni i kam baimbai.” (“Money he come by and by”)...


    Frustrated, a New Hanover tribe formed a “Lyndon B. Johnson cult” in the 1960s. Even in New Guinea people knew that nobody was more effective with gadgets and telephones than Lyndon Johnson…. Somehow they amassed sixteen hundred dollars for a one-way ticket from Washington to Moresby and sent the ticket to the White House. Johnson didn’t arrive…. It seems a pity. LBJ would have made a marvelous king of the blackfellows, and he would have enjoyed the job immensely.



    And, of course, Diamond’s readers assumed that the racial disparities in accomplishment couldn’t be because some races had been evolving under conditions that select more for, say, foresight or cooperation. In contrast, New Guineans, living on the equator, have less need to worry about how to prepare for onrushing winter than do, say, Swedes or Koreans.

    “Most readers have never noticed that Diamond’s own Darwinian logic undermines the reassuring moral of his book.”

    No, that just couldn’t be true. After all, Diamond says, New Guineans strike him as smarter on average than Americans. Granted, Diamond didn’t have any evidence for this assertion of his, other than evolutionary hand-waving:


    ...natural selection promoting genes for intelligence has probably been far more ruthless in New Guinea than in more densely populated, politically complex societies…

    In reality, larger populations are more likely to enjoy rare favorable mutations.

    And no justification for Diamond’s hypothesis has emerged in the two decades since Guns, Germs, and Steel was published.
     
    http://takimag.com/article/rough_diamond_steve_sailer/print#axzz5BED0bVIH

    Well put.

    Was it that review by Steve that caused Jared Diamond to withdraw from participation in Steve’s Human Biodiversty egroup?

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    Listen WoZ, if you think comparing my ideas with those of Jared Diamond is "Well put" you can GFY. For one thing, I'm no plagiarist.
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  176. @Joe Wong
    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world of the 'Western existence and culture', something that get almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

    The United States for 150 years has been overthrowing government, bombing, killing and waterboarding throughout Latin America, throughout the Middle East, in Europe, and in SE Asia on the fabricated phantom allegations. The number of young, old, men and women killed, maimed and crippled, as well as families destroyed and dislocated are in the hundreds of millions if not billion, yet the Americans still claim morality is their birth right and continue their butchering and war crimes as humanitarian intervention, the cold blood and psychopathic American deed is beyond sickening, they are isane and evil.

    There is some truth in this, but reality is a bit more complex.
    The excellent Dutch 17th century sailing ships had nothing to do with murder or plunder, we designed and built them.

    The Dutch 17th century wealth, overestimated, did hardly come from far away, but from trade within Europa, we were, over sea, halfway between the Baltic and Russia and France and Spain and Portugal.

    The British steam engine was developed out of a coal driven water pump for mines, this made possible the railways, later steam ships.
    Difficult to see how plunder was involved, or inhuman practices, on the contrary, the pumping by hand could be abolished.
    Cannot think of any culture but the European who developed technology as this.

    That this technology as used for bloody colonial enterprises is true.
    Alas colonialism is not a European invention.
    As an example, the Inca’s were great colonialists.
    Colonialism in Africa before white man was there, more than enough examples.
    Britons are sometimes called Anglo-Saxons, the Saxons were the colonialists, long ago.

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  177. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Randal

    It’s worth noting that it won’t make a scrap of difference how much scientific evidence may or may not be found to support it, the HBD argument will never be politically acceptable and will therefore never be accepted.
     
    That's needlessly defeatist talk (and I accept that I'm hardly one to accuse, in this regard).

    In reality, such intellectual fashions as the current antiracist dogmas tend to be totally dominant and seemingly irreplaceable - right up until they are swept away wholesale and replaced with a different dominant world-view. That is most likely what will happen with antiracism.

    Truth is not determinative, but it is a vital force multiplier in the conflict between such world-views, and the HBDers have more truth than do the antiracists, regardless of the fact that some HBDers do take their ideas too far. The reality is that the current antiracist elite consensus is extremist and fanatical, equivalent on the other side of the argument to the most dogmatic HBDers you could find here controlling society, and it is catastrophically damaging.

    In reality, such intellectual fashions as the current antiracist dogmas tend to be totally dominant and seemingly irreplaceable – right up until they are swept away wholesale and replaced with a different dominant world-view. That is most likely what will happen with antiracism.

    That is of course quite plausible although it could probably only happen in the aftermath of a major political change sea-change, such as the final abandonment of the entire charade of liberal democracy.

    A regime that no longer bothers even to pay lip service to liberal democracy might decide that antiracist dogmas (and other PC dogmas) are no longer either necessary or useful.

    It could be an authoritarian regime of either the left or the right that decides that PC has outlived its usefulness. Such a regime change does seem quite possible.

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  178. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement. May I suggest that you have offered an overstatement which is obvious on reflection.

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Wrong I suggest to some degree in relation to all science but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world.

    You’re right. I should have qualified that. Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters more to science today than political correctness, careerism and maintaining the flow of funding is living in a dream world.

    but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.

    If the Large Hadron Collider provided evidence that conflicted with the dogmas of political correctness I’m confident that such evidence would be suppressed and that funding for the Large Hadron Collider would suddenly dry up.

    Doing science today is a political act because in our world everything is a political act.

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    "Doing science today is a political act because in our world everything is a political act."

    I'd tend to agree. There's also the fact that much of the current scientific work is funded with federal money, at least that which isn't done at the behest of one corporation or other.
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  179. Joe Hide says:

    Great writing. “4 digit I.Q
    ” …really funny. Keep it up!

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  180. Xenos says:
    @Nicholas Stix
    She's got to sue PennLaw, and do so for millions of dollars, for defamation and violation of her prerogatives as a respected, tenured law prof.

    What Ruger is doing to her is very similar to what City College officials did to my old grad school logic prof, Michael Levin, ca 1988-1991. Levin sued and won, but didn't demand any monetary damages, so there was no painful lesson for CCNY. Meanwhile, during the same period, black supremacist CCNY prof Leonard Jeffries, who was not abused in the way Levin was, sued and won hundreds of thousands of dollars. And Jeffries should have been fired! (Among other things, his office had printed up and distributed death threats against employees of the New York Post and "the Jewish people"!)

    Jeffries had merely had his title as department head taken away, after almost 20 years, which he never should have had in the first place.

    You were lucky to have Michael Levin as your logic prof. He is a superb intellect, and the author of one of the most rigorously argued defense of race realism ever published. It is “Why Race Matters” (1997), and Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance has republished it in paperback, and in Kindle through Amazon.

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    "You were lucky to have Michael Levin as your logic prof."

    You betcha. I was fortunate to have any connection to Levin.

    I bought the book.
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  181. @Anonymous
    All tests can be gamed through practice, even IQ tests. With the importance of IQ nowadays, any school worth its reputation will have the kids practising IQ tests regularly as soon as they can read. Mastering these tests will become a curriculum subject like any other.

    Assuming black students are allowed equal (probably greater) access to practice material as non-black students, would lead one to assume that successfully practicing for IQ test requires the same basic IQ necessary for achieving high scores on IQ test.

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  182. @EliteCommInc.
    I was fine until you starter this exposition on culture and IQ.

    I am going to be politically incorrect here. There are cultures but they are not related to color. Culture is the various practices and beliefs that are existent and practiced among a set group of people, unique to them when taken in the contexts of their lifestyle. And within cultures various groupings of people have their unique set of cultural attributes common to them. Cultures: Hispanic, Congolese, German, French, British . . .etc. are categories that denote a unique culture. I would agree skin color has not unique attributes that denote a culture. Within our "american culture" there are urban cultures, rural cultures, suburban cultures, etc. There are even neighborhood cultures. The academic culture that exists today spent most of its history largely keeping most blacks out of it. So it is safe to say that what culture exists remains part and parcel that which encompassed mostly white people. Fortunately, blacks established their own academic cultures with available resources and developed a culture that is not that far different than any other academic culture comprised of people with various cultural practices from their state, city or rural community. Given the relationship of academia to culture, it's a safe bet that whatever the environmental spinoff of academic community to IQ was largely denied the black population in massive numbers as one might expect --

    I appreciated the smart culture -- reference minus any serious press that it is primarily or singularly genetically more dominant in whites. While anything is possible, that code has not been discovered and is blighted by the distribution of DNA over several million years. We may find it is linked to societies but skin color is quite a leap.

    Since IQ is not unique (depending on what one understands IQ is) is not limited to any culture. Whether it is biological and or environmental and the unique interactions that impact a particular problem solving has not been explicated.

    I think Dr. Wax makes the correct assessment in general but her limited view of the sample as to magnitude of time and size leaves her with some serious hurdles. It's convenient to ignore impacts long term. Whether she is correct that blacks are not in the top half is a difficult question. It would be interesting to consider how many whites inhabit the top half of her class and what the top half is. One would calculate her total number of students white and black. Consider the various courses of study. Background, etc. and do the same for the white students. Maybe most of the students who might excel in her courses don't take them. Or aren't ion her field. Given the population variance It would be interesting to consider the number of black students in her department. Even every black student finished at the bottom of her class, won would need far richer tests to determine why said students don't and just what that has to do with skin color.

    While I agree with "smart culture" introduction, I have to make room for real history white or black and admit there are a lot of reasons people live as they do that has nothing to do with being smart. If a society wants its people to be a certain way they provide every avenue to assimilate said product. It's a tough slice of bread to cut away a quarter of the loaf from the baking process and wonder why they aren't baked like everyone else -- especially when everyone else isn't baked despite being part of the whole.

    No one calculating the impact of getting hit by a car ignores consequences such as impacts beyond broken legs or because of broken legs. Her model is missing a lot of components required to make the conclusions she made. It's obvious that eventually, depending on the ability to heal up the wounds that eventually one would walk without crutches. But when that would be is another matter . . .

    Worse consider that the injured party has had to share said crutches by more than 60% plus with others who either didn't need them, were not part of some other accident(?) and then constantly had to justify their very existence on every issue they address. It's one thing to teach law, it's quite another to apply and practice it - in an injury case.

    This demonstrates a rather poor understanding of current intelligence or neurological research in general. Culture or environmental factors certainly play a role, but intelligence is highly hereditary as per the twin studies. Many of the objections that “genetics cannot influence behavior” exhibit a ridiculous level of sophistry. It is akin to hormone production, and indeed, directly related at times: genetics influence hormone production, hormones influence neurotransmitter chemicals, neurotransmitter chemicals influence behavior including what we might call intelligence.

    Anyone who insists that genetics do not influence hormones(and thus behavior) needs to deny the existence of male and females…which I guess some people are working on. And that’s just one vector by which genetics can influence behavior.

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  183. @HogHappenin
    That is what marinating in more than a century worth of Zionist lies and deceit can do to a people. This process got accelerated after the fraudulent scofield reference 'bible' was introduced into the US.

    I'm glad the Chinese are not as easily blackmailed and persuaded to do the bidding of the (un)chosenites and I hope you guys stay that way! Uncle Sam, due to the continuous prodding of Uncle Schmuel is definitely old and tired, nearing his eventual death. He is old and cranky and at his worst. I just hope we get a soft landing and don't take down the rest of the world with us.

    I've thankfully left that madhouse circus sometime back to settle near your environs and I couldn't be happier. But the shadow of Empire is never too far even here. And with ready goyim like Mr, Newman here, a war is never too far

    Hey, I’m not a defender of all things American, especially the recent stuff (say, since the Constitution started getting ignored.)

    I hate to write things like this on Unz, but both of you guys are just fucking nutcases.

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  184. CanSpeccy says: • Website
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    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somewhat in intellect.
     
    Genes that select/determine "intellectual" configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche. Furthermore, the mutations that produce homo sapiens and other hominid branches also draw from the genes of the mutating parent. Quite probably, somewhere on the double helix are the remnants of genes from trilobite arachnomorph arthropods.

    Far be it from you or me to sneer at trilobites.

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.

    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation. Thus, however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today. They have a fertility rate far below replacement and they have a political system that subjects them to an genocidal elite that is replacing them with more fertile racial/cultural immigrant groups.

    Thus, however, superior in intellect whites are claimed by the race “realists” to be, they are clearly losing out in the evolutionary race to other groups, and very rapidly. Indeed they will be eliminated both in the US and most of Europe as the majority group within the life time of most of those alive today.

    Thus, without a radical change government policies, which would have to include an explicit and effective strategy for national survival, the Europeans best hope of posterity will be as contributors to the gene pool of today’s invasive groups. That is why the former French President Sarkozy stated that “miscegenation is an obligation.” Submit to the invader or know that you and your race and culture will expire without trace.

    But since most people are too busy with FaceBook, and other crap probably the white race is already doomed.

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    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation.
     
    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not "theory".

    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make. The genes and gene complexes affecting applicable "intelligence" continue to function in the same ways that caused them to be selected. While some people believe the factors those selections impact are "different", you sure couldn't prove it to me. Or, to be less kind, you cannot prove it at all.
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  185. res says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I think your theory of mind regarding utu and his intentions are quite off. He's become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.

    He’s become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.

    Could you elaborate? I am not seeing what you are seeing.

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    He's the literary equivalent of the Blood Knight trope. And clearly has a lot of fun, which is rather inspiring in these days.
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  186. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu
    Moralizing, emotional satisfaction,... The other day I was trying at iSteve to shift their attention while there was a feeding frenzy going but I failed. I tried to point out that among white population in the US there is 40 million strong White Subset that is IQ equivalent to whole population of Afro- Americans and somehow we do not spent much time and energy yapping about them and wondering what to do with them. So obviously the IQ issue is a sham.

    White population of the US contains a subset of whites who are equivalent in IQ to black population. Each member of this white subset can be matched with an African American of a similar IQ. The populations of both the white subset and that of African Americans are about 40 millions. Lets call them the White Subset.

    This White Subset is not being studied or nobody tracks their criminality as a group and their socio-economical successes and failures. No heavy guns of sociological science and psychometry are rolled out to explain their lives. No arguments about their IQ are being made. No controversy and no taboos.

    This White Subset does not have a separate identity as a social group. They do not know they exist. They do not have special organizations protecting them and fighting for their rights.

    This White Subset is completely artificial construct taken out from perfectly normal, nomen omen, normal distribution. Every mono-ethnic society has a normal distributions of various traits like abilities and so on. Some people are smarter than others and society can go on without paying much attention to such trivia and obviousness. Mono-ethnic countries like Germany, Sweden Poland each have their own White Subset and they managed to developed harmonious societies.

    If by some miracle of plastic surgery and skin color engineering we could give African Americans white external phenotype and furthermore make them forget their ethnic identity by some magic pill there would be very good chance that African Americans would become as invisible and as unnoticeable as the White Subset. The White Subset is out there and it does exist yet it does not matter.
     
    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families. I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe. Any group if immigrants that can't practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient. Jews did practice it but retained separateness and thus never assimilated.

    Any group if immigrants that can’t practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient.

    Maybe the US needs to reverse the decision of the Civil War, and declare the Southern States a black homeland, as they would inevitably have become had the Confederacy not been defeated. Then white southerners would be required to move North, while black Northerners would be required to move south and everyone could then live happily ever after.

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    What US needs or does not need to do that is entirely another issue. The fragmentation and clusterization of society to large extend because of unassimilated former slaves who rejected and were rejected by the dominant culture because of their skin color is what TPTB want also for the whole world.

    Europe can still be saved if African and Muslim and Asian immigration is stopped. If not it will follow American model. The racial grievances that exists in America will eventually develop in Europe. This is inevitable when the groups can't and won't practice mimicry.
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  187. @Joe Wong
    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears. There were so many centuries of plunder that the acts of looting the world of the 'Western existence and culture', something that get almost never addressed, let alone criticized.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon.

    The United States for 150 years has been overthrowing government, bombing, killing and waterboarding throughout Latin America, throughout the Middle East, in Europe, and in SE Asia on the fabricated phantom allegations. The number of young, old, men and women killed, maimed and crippled, as well as families destroyed and dislocated are in the hundreds of millions if not billion, yet the Americans still claim morality is their birth right and continue their butchering and war crimes as humanitarian intervention, the cold blood and psychopathic American deed is beyond sickening, they are isane and evil.

    A portion of my understanding about the Chinese Cultural Revolution comes directly from Chinese people I know, as their personal experiences. What I see happening lately is that this kind of mess is starting in the US too. It won’t finish the same way. Almost all the good people are armed and there are a couple of million home-schooled kids who don’t receive all the bullshit.

    You are not just a bullshitter, Joe Wrong, but I can see you are a total nutcase. Why don’t you go live in China? You will never understand the real America and Americans, as your mind doesn’t have good qualities necessary. The concept of freedom that many still get is at a higher level than your brain can attain.

    You can put your victimizations in a sack, son. As far as destruction and mayhem, all governments are a party to this, but your Chinese one is in a class by itself – I don’t know if it’s a plus that the 30-40 million killed just in the last century are your own damn people. This is why I don’t like ANY governments, but, again, freedom is beyond you.

    For the rest of the readers here, you’ve seen that commercial. “For the last time. You’ve seen Communism. Joe Wong is your brain on Communism.”

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  188. @dfordoom

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world.
     
    You're right. I should have qualified that. Anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters more to science today than political correctness, careerism and maintaining the flow of funding is living in a dream world.

    but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.
     
    If the Large Hadron Collider provided evidence that conflicted with the dogmas of political correctness I'm confident that such evidence would be suppressed and that funding for the Large Hadron Collider would suddenly dry up.

    Doing science today is a political act because in our world everything is a political act.

    “Doing science today is a political act because in our world everything is a political act.”

    I’d tend to agree. There’s also the fact that much of the current scientific work is funded with federal money, at least that which isn’t done at the behest of one corporation or other.

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  189. @res

    He’s become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.
     
    Could you elaborate? I am not seeing what you are seeing.

    He’s the literary equivalent of the Blood Knight trope. And clearly has a lot of fun, which is rather inspiring in these days.

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    Thanks! This helped me understand what you meant: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodKnight

    I have always read utu more as posting in anger than fun (don't know if you have seen our go rounds). His frequent use of ad hominems is a big part of that perception. I will try your POV on for size and see if it helps.

    P.S. After reading that page I am curious if I come off as a bit of a Blood Knight to you. Some parts of that description resonate with me more than they should perhaps ; ) (others, not so much)
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  190. res says:
    @PhysicistDave
    res wrote:

    As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
     
    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    One reason that might happen is that intelligence (at least visual-spatial intelligence) is connected with the ability to create and manipulate mental images. Perhaps people with a super-human ability in that area just get lost in their own mental images.

    I did my undergrad degree at Caltech, the most academically selective school in the country (we looked down on MIT and laughed at the Ivies -- yeah, I know, they made more money than we did), and I knew a number of truly brilliant math majors. Based on that experience, I find my hypothesis more than plausible.

    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    I basically agree with you, but think there is a decent chance you would just be dead thanks to some unexpected interaction (e.g. an undetected case of heterozygote advantage where homozygous recessive is fatal, something like Tay-Sachs disease is thought to be).

    There is a decent argument made that simple genetic “spell checking” (e.g. removing all low frequency alleles that have negative IQ coefficients) would be likely to be purely positive. However, your point still applies there.

    Or we could go off into the philosophical deep end and wonder whether if there was a large enough group of beyond super brilliant math majors they would seem more sane and we would seem less so.

    P.S. You probably know this already, but the person who wrote the excerpts I gave is another Caltech physics undergrad–Steve Hsu.

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    res wrote to me:

    I basically agree with you, but think there is a decent chance you would just be dead thanks to some unexpected interaction (e.g. an undetected case of heterozygote advantage where homozygous recessive is fatal, something like Tay-Sachs disease is thought to be).
     
    Yeah. There is an overarching general point here: if evolution has not made us super-intelligent (or super-tall or super-muscular or whatever), there is a good chance that this is because the cost of that "benefit" outweighs the actual benefit. That may not always be true, but it is a good bet.

    res also wrote:


    Or we could go off into the philosophical deep end and wonder whether if there was a large enough group of beyond super brilliant math majors they would seem more sane and we would seem less so.
     
    Well... maybe. Although these super-bright math guys were pretty clearly dysfunctional by fairly objective criteria.

    I am of course aware of the fact that we physicists stand next to the math guys in being towards the Asperger's end of the spectrum. In fact, Simon Baron-Cohen, an expert on autism, has suggested that all theoretical physicists basically have Asperger's except some of us do not meet the technical definition since we do manage to function in society. (See Baron-Cohen's The Essential Difference for a detailed discussion of a number of famous physicists.) Baron-Cohen also has an amusing anecdote in the book about the famous mathematician Richard Borcherds that nicely illustrates the same traits I saw among the brilliant math majors at Caltech.

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  191. @PhysicistDave
    res wrote:

    As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
     
    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    One reason that might happen is that intelligence (at least visual-spatial intelligence) is connected with the ability to create and manipulate mental images. Perhaps people with a super-human ability in that area just get lost in their own mental images.

    I did my undergrad degree at Caltech, the most academically selective school in the country (we looked down on MIT and laughed at the Ivies -- yeah, I know, they made more money than we did), and I knew a number of truly brilliant math majors. Based on that experience, I find my hypothesis more than plausible.

    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.

    I suspect this as well – its very probably that you can get a lot more productivity and output from someone with highly sensitive dopamine system, but such a person would also be very prone to addictions(esp. gambling) or even actual mania symptoms.

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  192. @mcohen
    I had my vision while riding a Knight across a paisley board.He shook and whinnied like the grand beast he had become.The king fled to the upper easy side and was last seen having breakfast with tiffany at Jareds.
    One has to wonder at the follies of human existence.
    In france 70% of bird species have disappeared
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/catastrophe-as-frances-bird-population-collapses-due-to-pesticides
    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbers&ved=2ahUKEwj9nZWNvJPaAhWCoZQKHRrbCzIQFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1jMYZLOVIdJ1NtyQGKVCH5&ampcf=1

    Birds and insects are an indespensible part of our ecosystem.

    Next time you drive through queens give it some thought

    My vision of our sky turning yellow is frightening and i despair for my childrens future.it is a warning that needs to be taken seriously

    I drove through Queens only once, when my then-boyfriend poisoned himself with Mead on Wrong Island and I had to drive the Chevy Blazer back to Queens and spend 20 minutes see-sawing to parallel-park it in a typically overcrowded block. The rest of the time, I took public trans like everybody else.

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  193. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    Well put.

    Was it that review by Steve that caused Jared Diamond to withdraw from participation in Steve's Human Biodiversty egroup?

    Listen WoZ, if you think comparing my ideas with those of Jared Diamond is “Well put” you can GFY. For one thing, I’m no plagiarist.

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    Apologies if I missed/failed to express important nuances.

    What was your reference to plagiarism about? Is the readable Jared Diamond a plagiarist? In what particulars?

    I have only read Guns, Germs and Steel once, right through, before I became aware of Steve Sailer and H-bd - though years after I had become proof against extreme anti-hereditarianism and the fraud of the also readable S J Gould. I have no recollection or knowledge of his being a plagiarist though I would have taken him as just adding interesting detail and good storytelling to commonplace ideology if someone had suggested his work was transformative for anthropology and history.
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  194. @CalDre
    Nice to hear from the resident Jew supremacist. Unfortunately for you, scoring higher on those tests does not translate into actual intelligence in real life - and clearly is a huge disadvantage when it comes to morality.

    Your ignorance of Spearman’s g — its nature, correlates, and measurement — is dreary. Please inform yourself before commenting again on this subject.

    TYVM/HAND.

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    Oh, did I insult you by not worshiping your God? I'm so sorry - errh, not! :)

    So let me be clear: I don't care about Spearman or his "g factor", nor does anyone else with the power of observation. You ever heard of autistic-savants? Or L.L. Thurstone? Or Howard Gardner?

    As a general matter I find this site's focus on IQ utterly hilarious. It's like rating the beauty of everyone in the world based on how attractive the nose is. Hahaha. IQ is an interesting way to try to measure something, but it is not the actual thing.

    It's worse than claiming you are measuring the entire performance of a computer by running one single performance test (this assumes you know something about computer performance modeling).

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  195. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Any group if immigrants that can’t practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient.
     
    Maybe the US needs to reverse the decision of the Civil War, and declare the Southern States a black homeland, as they would inevitably have become had the Confederacy not been defeated. Then white southerners would be required to move North, while black Northerners would be required to move south and everyone could then live happily ever after.

    What US needs or does not need to do that is entirely another issue. The fragmentation and clusterization of society to large extend because of unassimilated former slaves who rejected and were rejected by the dominant culture because of their skin color is what TPTB want also for the whole world.

    Europe can still be saved if African and Muslim and Asian immigration is stopped. If not it will follow American model. The racial grievances that exists in America will eventually develop in Europe. This is inevitable when the groups can’t and won’t practice mimicry.

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  196. res says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's the literary equivalent of the Blood Knight trope. And clearly has a lot of fun, which is rather inspiring in these days.

    Thanks! This helped me understand what you meant: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodKnight

    I have always read utu more as posting in anger than fun (don’t know if you have seen our go rounds). His frequent use of ad hominems is a big part of that perception. I will try your POV on for size and see if it helps.

    P.S. After reading that page I am curious if I come off as a bit of a Blood Knight to you. Some parts of that description resonate with me more than they should perhaps ; ) (others, not so much)

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    This depends on how much you feel like you resemble this card:

    http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=130715&type=card
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  197. @CanSpeccy

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.
     
    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation. Thus, however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today. They have a fertility rate far below replacement and they have a political system that subjects them to an genocidal elite that is replacing them with more fertile racial/cultural immigrant groups.

    Thus, however, superior in intellect whites are claimed by the race "realists" to be, they are clearly losing out in the evolutionary race to other groups, and very rapidly. Indeed they will be eliminated both in the US and most of Europe as the majority group within the life time of most of those alive today.

    Thus, without a radical change government policies, which would have to include an explicit and effective strategy for national survival, the Europeans best hope of posterity will be as contributors to the gene pool of today's invasive groups. That is why the former French President Sarkozy stated that "miscegenation is an obligation." Submit to the invader or know that you and your race and culture will expire without trace.

    But since most people are too busy with FaceBook, and other crap probably the white race is already doomed.

    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation.

    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not “theory”.

    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make. The genes and gene complexes affecting applicable “intelligence” continue to function in the same ways that caused them to be selected. While some people believe the factors those selections impact are “different”, you sure couldn’t prove it to me. Or, to be less kind, you cannot prove it at all.

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    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not “theory”.
     
    Not sure what you are trying to say, Steve. I said that your statement that "Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success ..." was sound Darwinian theory.

    You apparently dispute that. Why? Because you dispute that Darwin's "Theory of Evolution" is a theory, or because you dispute the soundness of Darwin's theory, or what?


    You say:


    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make.
     
    so let me say it again:

    however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today.
     
    What's not to understand? It's an obvious fact. The Europeans are failing to reproduce themselves, while they invite people from elsewhere to "come on in and replace our posterity with your own." So clearly they are ill-adapted to their present environment, an environment that they themselves, or at least their ruling elites, have created.

    And the deadly aspect of that environmental change is cultural. So the adaptation of the European mind to conditions of the past now makes Europeans mal-adapted since it has driven them to create a culture—a liberal-libertarian, atheistic, cheap-thrill culture—that is rapidly destroying them.

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  198. @Rosamond Vincy
    You issued the challenge, Sir; I choose the weapon and name my own seconds. Rapiers (so appropriate!). Unless you prefer Mark Twain's solution of brick-bats at three-quarters of a mile.

    If you know how to build a trebuchet with a max velocity of 360 fps, specify medieval technology and accept the challenge… See also, punkin’ chunkin’.

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    I do not know how to build a trebuchet, but of course I know many people who do.

    https://i.imgur.com/Gt1II1b.gif



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  199. @Mishra

    The book is thoughtful, literate, and rigorously argued, as you’d expect from someone whose IQ is very likely a four-digit number.
     
    Four digits now? There really is no stopping the Chosen People.

    Seriously – have you SEEN this woman’s CV? It’s easily findable on the internet, I’m not going to find it for you. She is astounding.

    It’s only fair that Derb brought up her ethnicity. On these pages Jews are Public Enemy No. 1.

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    Perhaps she is one of the few, sane, patriotic ones who doesn't put the interests of her 'tribe' over that of her country nor does she swear allegiance to that shitty little country in the middle east which hangs like an albatross around our old and tired neck. The one for which we've been in the sandbox since the 80s.

    Well, I don't say we don't have such people. We do. Ron Unz here is a wonderful person who allows such exquisite and real 'Freedom of Speech' here on UR. So no that still doesn't whitewash the fact that most 'chosenites' in our 'leadership' are always Izzy firsters no matter the cost in blood and sweat to this nation nor the terrible harm it does to millions of innocents abroad. I thought all this was understood. But apparently it isn't!
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  200. Professor Wax’s CV is mind-boggling, at least, to this underachiever. I think she got the law degree almost as an afterthought, well, this would be nice, I’ve already got degrees in molecular biophysics – wouldn’t it be fun to argue a case before the Supreme Court?

    Professor Wax waxes the opposition every time, but I think that she might have come up against the zeitgeist once and for all. She won’t/can’t be fired, but she can be frozen out.

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  201. @Carroll Price

    Well, over the course of human history people believed all sorts of silly things.
     
    They still do. Large numbers of people accept both the New and Old Testament as indisputable fact.

    I know. People believe even more ludicrous things. Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.

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    Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.
     
    I think you're missing the point. Religions are cultural artifacts that establish society-wide ethical standards, without which large communities requiring frequent collaboration among strangers would fail.

    The fact that the Bible or the Book of This or That cannot be taken literally without making the believer appear ridiculous to a materialist, is simply a consequence of cultural change. The materialist view of the world destroys traditional religious faith and, as a consequence of the demise of religious faith, the most scientifically advanced societies are undergoing a demographic catastrophe.

    Thus it appears that there is no means to prevent the demise of the West without a religious revival. There are several routes by which that might be achieved:

    1. Karen Armstrong has argued that since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, it must be true for all time. But since public understanding of the world changes with time, the truth of the Bible can only be understood through continual re-interpretation. Thus, today, it makes nonsense of Chrisitanity to read the Gospels as, well, gospel truth. On the contrary, the Bible or other holy scripture must be viewed simply a narrative to live by. Viewed that way, it's still pretty powerful stuff.

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.

    3. Religion is made a state responsibility and is enforced by way of the educational system and the courts. That is what the West has opted for. It's called political correctness. Trouble is, political correctness, unlike a true religion, does not save it adherents, it destroys them.

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  202. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Steve Gittelson

    This is sound Darwinian theory. But it is almost entirely irrelevant today, when the civilizations of the world are undergoing explosive transformation.
     
    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not "theory".

    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make. The genes and gene complexes affecting applicable "intelligence" continue to function in the same ways that caused them to be selected. While some people believe the factors those selections impact are "different", you sure couldn't prove it to me. Or, to be less kind, you cannot prove it at all.

    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not “theory”.

    Not sure what you are trying to say, Steve. I said that your statement that “Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success …” was sound Darwinian theory.

    You apparently dispute that. Why? Because you dispute that Darwin’s “Theory of Evolution” is a theory, or because you dispute the soundness of Darwin’s theory, or what?

    You say:

    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make.

    so let me say it again:

    however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today.

    What’s not to understand? It’s an obvious fact. The Europeans are failing to reproduce themselves, while they invite people from elsewhere to “come on in and replace our posterity with your own.” So clearly they are ill-adapted to their present environment, an environment that they themselves, or at least their ruling elites, have created.

    And the deadly aspect of that environmental change is cultural. So the adaptation of the European mind to conditions of the past now makes Europeans mal-adapted since it has driven them to create a culture—a liberal-libertarian, atheistic, cheap-thrill culture—that is rapidly destroying them.

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    Oh. You don't understand. Fine. And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their "present environment" is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.

    Yes, I am aware that some people believe evolution selects for social environment. Perhaps it does, to some limited extent -- evenness of temper, diet acceptance, aggressiveness and/or the lack thereof, etc.

    But, selected for political environment? Risible. Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.
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  203. @Reg Cæsar

    Although Occam was a monk, Occam’s razor... is the finest scientific tool ever invented.
     
    "Although", or ""because"?

    ...or all living things can be created by a super-natural agency in one go

     

    As opposed to rubbing enough molecules together fast enough can create an internal point-of-view?

    When black people believe this, it's called animism. When white or yellow people believe it, it's called neuroscience.

    1. Certainly “although”, because being a Christian monk, he must have believed some pretty odd fairytales.

    2. This argument is old and tired. The process of evolution took ~ 3 billion years, because no complex entity (like a protein) ever emerged from nothing. The process went from simpler entities to more complex, in many rounds (say, amino acid, sequence motif, structural domain, modern protein). One has to remember that bacterial proteins evolved just as long as ours. People familiar with biology cannot explain the way modern life works without evolution. Just to give you one example: our mitochondria have their own genome, as well as faster and better-working eubacteria ribosomes (the entities that make proteins encoded by messenger RNA), but the cell uses larger and much slower archebacterial ribosomes for the same purpose, simply because eukaryotic cell emerged as a symbiosis of aerobic eubacteria (mitochondria in us; mitochondria and chloroplasts in plants) with anaerobic archebacteria (the rest of the cell). Still, I think the most convincing (especially for the uninitiated) argument against intelligent design is George W. Bush – nobody intelligent would ever design that.

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    2. This argument is old and tired.
     
    No, your rejoinder is, because it totally missed my point.

    It was, can thought itself derive solely from material processes? If not, things could evolve forever and a day without ever stopping to consider. Consciousness itself may belong in the class with perpetual motion and faster-than-light travel.
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  204. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN
    I know. People believe even more ludicrous things. Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.

    Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.

    I think you’re missing the point. Religions are cultural artifacts that establish society-wide ethical standards, without which large communities requiring frequent collaboration among strangers would fail.

    The fact that the Bible or the Book of This or That cannot be taken literally without making the believer appear ridiculous to a materialist, is simply a consequence of cultural change. The materialist view of the world destroys traditional religious faith and, as a consequence of the demise of religious faith, the most scientifically advanced societies are undergoing a demographic catastrophe.

    Thus it appears that there is no means to prevent the demise of the West without a religious revival. There are several routes by which that might be achieved:

    1. Karen Armstrong has argued that since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, it must be true for all time. But since public understanding of the world changes with time, the truth of the Bible can only be understood through continual re-interpretation. Thus, today, it makes nonsense of Chrisitanity to read the Gospels as, well, gospel truth. On the contrary, the Bible or other holy scripture must be viewed simply a narrative to live by. Viewed that way, it’s still pretty powerful stuff.

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.

    3. Religion is made a state responsibility and is enforced by way of the educational system and the courts. That is what the West has opted for. It’s called political correctness. Trouble is, political correctness, unlike a true religion, does not save it adherents, it destroys them.

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    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.
     
    Interesting. I did not know Tolstoy did that: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Gospel_in_Brief/summary

    Thomas Jefferson did something similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
    , @AnonFromTN
    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion: credo, quia absurdum?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The materialist view of the world destroys traditional religious faith and, as a consequence of the demise of religious faith, the most scientifically advanced societies are undergoing a demographic catastrophe.
     
    In short, accepting Darwinism renders a population unfit.
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  205. @Anonymouse
    Dear Anon from Tennessee,

    I said the opposite of what you objected to.

    I've had my feelings hurt, who hasn't? I just got Amy Wax's book out of the library but have only read about 5 pages. She is of the school of Bill Cosby, as she says: self-improvement is required on the part of Negroes. As John Derbyshire pointed out, she notices black behavior but does not express any hint of recognizing anything about African-Americans that keeps them from exercising self-control. I gotta a lot of things to do so I might not get back to reading Wax. I'd bet a nickel that she doesn't address the cultural issue, that Caribbean blacks in America exercise self-control like socialized white Americans, but Afro-Americans seem to have reinvented the life-style of swidden agriculture: women hoeing tubers and the guys getting drunk every day.

    In grammar shool (7th grade?) I had a crazy white lady teacher, Miss Black (no significance to the name). She had the whole class read Revelations (I kid you not, she had lots of copies). She told the jewish students (about 4 out of 20) that they would burn in hell because they killed Christ. Mothers whose kids were having nightmares complained to the principle Mr Shapiro about Miss Black. He gave her a pass because she was 1 or 2 years from retirement. Retrospectively, fast-forward 75 years, I bring up this amusing memory as an extreme case of having one's feelings hurt in school.

    RU suggesting that it is a good thing for a black student to hear that because of his genetic inheritance, he may hit the wall when law school gets to the hard stuff.

    Here you are mixing hypotheses (like Hell, which is absent in many religions, including the original Abrahamic faith that evolved into present-day Judaism) with proven facts. Your teacher assumed that her faith (which can be called a hypothesis at best, if one is extremely charitable) is the Truth. Having grown up in the USSR, I feel immunized against many kinds of BS – whenever something is claimed to be the Truth with a capital T, be it communism or any other religion, I smell the rat. It might sound cynical, but it helps.

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  206. @Another realist
    Amy Wax is a breath of fresh air, proof that not all Jews are lemming libtards or neocons. I admire her greatly for speaking out. Dean Ruger of course, is another coward weasel, a dime a dozen in the academic world. Jason Riley wrote an article on academic mismatch hurting blacks in support of Amy Wax on the same day her article was published in the WSJ last week. Riley is himself black.

    Jason Riley is married to the Jewess Naomi Schaefer. Nothing kosher here.

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  207. @Svigor
    Sorry, brain fart: half of all Ashkenazi Jews have IQs below 108. The mean for non-Ashkenazi Jews is substantially lower.

    Ashkenazi Jewish IQ is around 105. Also, there are not that many of them. Plus, many are now marrying blacks/Asians.

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  208. @CanSpeccy

    Darwinian processes, or evolutionary processes, are not “theory”.
     
    Not sure what you are trying to say, Steve. I said that your statement that "Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success ..." was sound Darwinian theory.

    You apparently dispute that. Why? Because you dispute that Darwin's "Theory of Evolution" is a theory, or because you dispute the soundness of Darwin's theory, or what?


    You say:


    It is not entirely clear to me what point you are trying to make.
     
    so let me say it again:

    however intellectually well adapted to their environment the Europeans may have been in times past, it is clear that they are severely ill-adapted today.
     
    What's not to understand? It's an obvious fact. The Europeans are failing to reproduce themselves, while they invite people from elsewhere to "come on in and replace our posterity with your own." So clearly they are ill-adapted to their present environment, an environment that they themselves, or at least their ruling elites, have created.

    And the deadly aspect of that environmental change is cultural. So the adaptation of the European mind to conditions of the past now makes Europeans mal-adapted since it has driven them to create a culture—a liberal-libertarian, atheistic, cheap-thrill culture—that is rapidly destroying them.

    Oh. You don’t understand. Fine. And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their “present environment” is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.

    Yes, I am aware that some people believe evolution selects for social environment. Perhaps it does, to some limited extent — evenness of temper, diet acceptance, aggressiveness and/or the lack thereof, etc.

    But, selected for political environment? Risible. Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.

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    And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.
     
    But I quoted you verbatim.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their “present environment” is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.
     
    Well if we turn that around and say that Europeans are "well-adapted" to their present environment, we come to the nonsensical conclusion that a dying race is "well-adapted." That is certainly more absurd than anything that I asserted.

    And when you say:

    Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.
     
    I agree, it is hilarious, since no one ever suggested that evolution proceeds by way of the organism selecting its environment.

    However, organisms do affect their own environment. I hesitate to mention climate change since that is disputed. But it illustrates the principle. Moreover, humans deliberately change (massively), and therefore, select, their own environment. A ruling elite, composed of globalist bankers, for example, might very well select and environment for the masses that destroys them.

    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?
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  209. Bill says:
    @res
    This is a good description of the extreme (here stated as 1000 OR as 100 SD which is 1500) IQ argument: http://nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

    Given that there are many thousands of potential positive variants, the implication is clear: If a human being could be engineered to have the positive version of each causal variant, they might exhibit cognitive ability which is roughly 100 standard deviations above average. This corresponds to more than 1,000 IQ points.
     
    More details in the article.

    There is a simplified version of the argument at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/08/explain-it-to-me-like-im-five-years-old.html

    1. Cognitive ability is highly heritable. At least half the variance is genetic in origin.

    2. It is influenced by many (probably thousands) of common variants (see GCTA estimates of heritability due to common SNPs). We know there are many because the fewer there are the larger the (average) individual effect size of each variant would have to be. But then the SNPs would be easy to detect with small sample size.

    Recent studies with large sample sizes detected ~70 SNP hits, but would have detected many more if effect sizes were consistent with, e.g., only hundreds of causal variants in total.

    3. Since these are common variants the probability of having the negative variant -- with (-) effect on g score -- is not small (e.g., like 10% or more).

    4. So each individual is carrying around many hundreds (if not thousands) of (-) variants.

    5. As long as effects are roughly additive, we know that changing ALL or MOST of these (-) variants into (+) variants would push an individual many standard deviations (SDs) above the population mean. Such an individual would be far beyond any historical figure in cognitive ability.
    Given more details we can estimate the average number of (-) variants carried by individuals, and how many SDs are up for grabs from flipping (-) to (+). As is the case with most domesticated plants and animals, we expect that the existing variation in the population allows for many SDs of improvement (see figure below).
     

    Does 5, additivity, seem at all likely?

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    Does 5, additivity, seem at all likely?
     
    To a surprisingly large degree, yes. See bullet 1 at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/08/footnotes-and-citations.html

    More detail (including links to older posts) at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/10/additivity-in-yeast-quantitative-traits.html

    For a concrete example, see this recent height genetic predictor which accounts for ~40% of variance (half of heritability of 0.8) with an additive model: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/09/accurate-genomic-prediction-of-human.html

    That said, I think it unlikely that the linear extrapolation of the additive model works all the way out to 100SD.
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  210. res says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.
     
    I think you're missing the point. Religions are cultural artifacts that establish society-wide ethical standards, without which large communities requiring frequent collaboration among strangers would fail.

    The fact that the Bible or the Book of This or That cannot be taken literally without making the believer appear ridiculous to a materialist, is simply a consequence of cultural change. The materialist view of the world destroys traditional religious faith and, as a consequence of the demise of religious faith, the most scientifically advanced societies are undergoing a demographic catastrophe.

    Thus it appears that there is no means to prevent the demise of the West without a religious revival. There are several routes by which that might be achieved:

    1. Karen Armstrong has argued that since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, it must be true for all time. But since public understanding of the world changes with time, the truth of the Bible can only be understood through continual re-interpretation. Thus, today, it makes nonsense of Chrisitanity to read the Gospels as, well, gospel truth. On the contrary, the Bible or other holy scripture must be viewed simply a narrative to live by. Viewed that way, it's still pretty powerful stuff.

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.

    3. Religion is made a state responsibility and is enforced by way of the educational system and the courts. That is what the West has opted for. It's called political correctness. Trouble is, political correctness, unlike a true religion, does not save it adherents, it destroys them.

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.

    Interesting. I did not know Tolstoy did that: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Gospel_in_Brief/summary

    Thomas Jefferson did something similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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    Thank you for the link to the Jefferson Bible, of which I was not aware.

    Tolstoy's gospel was, in my view, his greatest literary mistake. A great imaginative artist who could give life to a story of the supernatural, took the gospel story and gutted it of every imaginative ornament and contrivance that makes it fascinating.

    What after all could be more fascinating that the story of the creator of the universe appearing on Earth in the form of child, born to a humble girl, in a stable, with sheep and lowing oxen, but heralded by a super nova in the East, and attended on by kings.

    It's a story to give one goose bumps. And the fact that it's a re-telling of a story that had been told and retold for thousands of years before the birth of Christ, confirms its power to capture the human heart. So yes, Tolstoy completely blew it, which is why almost no one today knows of his gospel re-write.

    Tolstoy made the additional blunder in asserting that the essence of the gospel was its presentation of Christian morality. That is bunk. There is no specifically Christian morality. Christian morality is simply the golden rule, a rule as old as man, and indeed older. The story of Christ is not to tell people what to do, which in their hearts they already know. It is a story to inspire people to do what they know they should do.
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  211. @CanSpeccy

    Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? It’s in every hotel room in Utah, along with the Gideon Bible. It reads like an angry parody on the Bible, yet some people take it very seriously.
     
    I think you're missing the point. Religions are cultural artifacts that establish society-wide ethical standards, without which large communities requiring frequent collaboration among strangers would fail.

    The fact that the Bible or the Book of This or That cannot be taken literally without making the believer appear ridiculous to a materialist, is simply a consequence of cultural change. The materialist view of the world destroys traditional religious faith and, as a consequence of the demise of religious faith, the most scientifically advanced societies are undergoing a demographic catastrophe.

    Thus it appears that there is no means to prevent the demise of the West without a religious revival. There are several routes by which that might be achieved:

    1. Karen Armstrong has argued that since the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, it must be true for all time. But since public understanding of the world changes with time, the truth of the Bible can only be understood through continual re-interpretation. Thus, today, it makes nonsense of Chrisitanity to read the Gospels as, well, gospel truth. On the contrary, the Bible or other holy scripture must be viewed simply a narrative to live by. Viewed that way, it's still pretty powerful stuff.

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.

    3. Religion is made a state responsibility and is enforced by way of the educational system and the courts. That is what the West has opted for. It's called political correctness. Trouble is, political correctness, unlike a true religion, does not save it adherents, it destroys them.

    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion: credo, quia absurdum?

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    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion
     
    Does it undermine the attention to, and social influence of, Greek drama, Star Trek, or the Lord of the Rings that people understand these stories to be fictional?

    Why can the story about Jesus not be accepted for what it is, largely fiction, and historically quite uncertain in all details? Is it not an inspiring tale, despite its dubious historical authenticity? Has it not inspired countless saints, patriotic warriors, and many humbler servants of the public to acts of self-sacrifice, and does it not the Christian form of prayer encourage every adherent of the faith to honest self-assessment?

    Religion embodies profound psychological truths unrelated to historical reality and has many buttresses other than historical fact.

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  212. Bill says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement. May I suggest that you have offered an overstatement which is obvious on reflection.

    You assert , without qualification, that anyone who thinks that scientific evidence matters to science today is living in a dream world. Wrong I suggest to some degree in relation to all science but absolutely wrong in relation to the science for which billions of dollars is spent to gather evidence with, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, the Hubble Telescope and the tunnels and laser beams used to detect gravitational waves.

    There seem to be a lot of people on these threads with something possibly interesting or true to say who spoil the discussion by overstatement.

    Hyperbole makes autists sad. There is nothing more important than the happiness of autists. Therefore, never use hyperbole.

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  213. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Steve Gittelson
    Oh. You don't understand. Fine. And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their "present environment" is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.

    Yes, I am aware that some people believe evolution selects for social environment. Perhaps it does, to some limited extent -- evenness of temper, diet acceptance, aggressiveness and/or the lack thereof, etc.

    But, selected for political environment? Risible. Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.

    And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.

    But I quoted you verbatim.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their “present environment” is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.

    Well if we turn that around and say that Europeans are “well-adapted” to their present environment, we come to the nonsensical conclusion that a dying race is “well-adapted.” That is certainly more absurd than anything that I asserted.

    And when you say:

    Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.

    I agree, it is hilarious, since no one ever suggested that evolution proceeds by way of the organism selecting its environment.

    However, organisms do affect their own environment. I hesitate to mention climate change since that is disputed. But it illustrates the principle. Moreover, humans deliberately change (massively), and therefore, select, their own environment. A ruling elite, composed of globalist bankers, for example, might very well select and environment for the masses that destroys them.

    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?

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    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?
     
    I'm sure they do. However, since we're playing 'Blockquote' here, let's go back to what I wrote 'up top'.

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.
     
    It means what it means. Two statements of highly-probable fact. No connotation of socio-political process was stated, nor intended. Don't make of it what it is not.
    , @Steve Gittelson
    I am terribly sorry, old chap. I keyed a rather voluminous reply, the system swallowed it whole, and it vanished. Perhaps some other time ...
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    @AnonFromTN
    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion: credo, quia absurdum?

    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion

    Does it undermine the attention to, and social influence of, Greek drama, Star Trek, or the Lord of the Rings that people understand these stories to be fictional?

    Why can the story about Jesus not be accepted for what it is, largely fiction, and historically quite uncertain in all details? Is it not an inspiring tale, despite its dubious historical authenticity? Has it not inspired countless saints, patriotic warriors, and many humbler servants of the public to acts of self-sacrifice, and does it not the Christian form of prayer encourage every adherent of the faith to honest self-assessment?

    Religion embodies profound psychological truths unrelated to historical reality and has many buttresses other than historical fact.

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    I agree that the Bible (both Old and New Testament) contains some really high-class literature, but also some very dull parts. But there is a huge difference. The works of art never pretended to be literally true. The religions do. So, saying that the events in The Lord of the Rings or in Greek drama never happened does not offend anybody. Saying the same thing about the Bible or Koran offends lots of zealots.
    Literature (and other forms of art, like music and painting) embodies profound psychological truths. Just listen to Bach or Albinoni, and you become a better person for a while. But art does not pretend to be historically accurate. Religions do, and that’s the key difference. Like Douglas Adams wrote, every religion will tell you that murder is sin, and will kill you to prove its point. Challenging lies always brings out the worst in their adepts. Just look at the Antifa of the State Department.
    , @dfordoom

    Why can the story about Jesus not be accepted for what it is, largely fiction, and historically quite uncertain in all details? Is it not an inspiring tale, despite its dubious historical authenticity? Has it not inspired countless saints, patriotic warriors, and many humbler servants of the public to acts of self-sacrifice, and does it not the Christian form of prayer encourage every adherent of the faith to honest self-assessment?
     
    It sounds like you're advocating a kind of Christianity for atheists. Keep the moral insights and the psychological truths but jettison the supernatural stuff.

    But isn't that exactly what modern Christian churches have done? Look at the Anglican Church. There's not a bishop in the Anglican Church who believes in God. Very few Anglican priests believe in God. They've created a rational materialist religion that does not require any belief at all in the supernatural.

    And it's been a dismal failure. The Anglican Church is a walking corpse. Not only has it failed to halt societal collapse - it is hastening the process.
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  215. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Of course blacks and whites and browns and reds are genetically different and must differ somewhat in intellect.
     
    Genes that select/determine "intellectual" configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche. Furthermore, the mutations that produce homo sapiens and other hominid branches also draw from the genes of the mutating parent. Quite probably, somewhere on the double helix are the remnants of genes from trilobite arachnomorph arthropods.

    Far be it from you or me to sneer at trilobites.

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest.

    Correct – note that higher “intellectual” faculties do NOT necessarily equate success in breeding lots of offspring. See modern U.S. population statistics.

    Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.

    Not necessarily. Some gene-complexes could arise in a very short time (2-3 generations) as a result of random combinations that turn out to have a beneficial effect over and above the sum of the constituent parts.

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    Correct – note that higher “intellectual” faculties do NOT necessarily equate success in breeding lots of offspring. See modern U.S. population statistics.
     
    ?? Relevance?

    Not necessarily. Some gene-complexes could arise in a very short time (2-3 generations) as a result of random combinations that turn out to have a beneficial effect over and above the sum of the constituent parts.
     
    Via selection in re reproductive success? Unlikely. Can it happen? Sure.
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  216. res says:
    @Bill
    Does 5, additivity, seem at all likely?

    Does 5, additivity, seem at all likely?

    To a surprisingly large degree, yes. See bullet 1 at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/08/footnotes-and-citations.html

    More detail (including links to older posts) at http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2015/10/additivity-in-yeast-quantitative-traits.html

    For a concrete example, see this recent height genetic predictor which accounts for ~40% of variance (half of heritability of 0.8) with an additive model: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/09/accurate-genomic-prediction-of-human.html

    That said, I think it unlikely that the linear extrapolation of the additive model works all the way out to 100SD.

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    That said, I think it unlikely that the linear extrapolation of the additive model works all the way out to 100SD.
     
    Exactly. Turning more - to + at some point is going to saturate pathways / pile up behind bottlenecks or manifest side effects as buffers of something-or-another are exhausted. Trees don't grow to the sky.
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  217. @Byzantine_General
    If you know how to build a trebuchet with a max velocity of 360 fps, specify medieval technology and accept the challenge... See also, punkin' chunkin'.

    I do not know how to build a trebuchet, but of course I know many people who do.

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  218. @CanSpeccy

    You do appreciate that your logic undermines the very basic fabric of religion
     
    Does it undermine the attention to, and social influence of, Greek drama, Star Trek, or the Lord of the Rings that people understand these stories to be fictional?

    Why can the story about Jesus not be accepted for what it is, largely fiction, and historically quite uncertain in all details? Is it not an inspiring tale, despite its dubious historical authenticity? Has it not inspired countless saints, patriotic warriors, and many humbler servants of the public to acts of self-sacrifice, and does it not the Christian form of prayer encourage every adherent of the faith to honest self-assessment?

    Religion embodies profound psychological truths unrelated to historical reality and has many buttresses other than historical fact.

    I agree that the Bible (both Old and New Testament) contains some really high-class literature, but also some very dull parts. But there is a huge difference. The works of art never pretended to be literally true. The religions do. So, saying that the events in The Lord of the Rings or in Greek drama never happened does not offend anybody. Saying the same thing about the Bible or Koran offends lots of zealots.
    Literature (and other forms of art, like music and painting) embodies profound psychological truths. Just listen to Bach or Albinoni, and you become a better person for a while. But art does not pretend to be historically accurate. Religions do, and that’s the key difference. Like Douglas Adams wrote, every religion will tell you that murder is sin, and will kill you to prove its point. Challenging lies always brings out the worst in their adepts. Just look at the Antifa of the State Department.

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    The works of art never pretended to be literally true. The religions do.
     
    I'm suggesting that advocates of Christianity stop pretending that the Bible is literally true. Most Jews are atheists, but that does not stop them from engaging in their traditional religious observances. Why should it be different for Christians? We learn morality from fiction as much as from history, more so in fact, since few study history. The same can be true of Christianity acknowledged to be a story to live by, not a history. And indeed many Christian priests and theologians have long since abandoned belief in the historical truth of Holy Scripture. What matters is the moral truth, which is in no way dependent on the historical reality.
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  219. @utu
    Moralizing, emotional satisfaction,... The other day I was trying at iSteve to shift their attention while there was a feeding frenzy going but I failed. I tried to point out that among white population in the US there is 40 million strong White Subset that is IQ equivalent to whole population of Afro- Americans and somehow we do not spent much time and energy yapping about them and wondering what to do with them. So obviously the IQ issue is a sham.

    White population of the US contains a subset of whites who are equivalent in IQ to black population. Each member of this white subset can be matched with an African American of a similar IQ. The populations of both the white subset and that of African Americans are about 40 millions. Lets call them the White Subset.

    This White Subset is not being studied or nobody tracks their criminality as a group and their socio-economical successes and failures. No heavy guns of sociological science and psychometry are rolled out to explain their lives. No arguments about their IQ are being made. No controversy and no taboos.

    This White Subset does not have a separate identity as a social group. They do not know they exist. They do not have special organizations protecting them and fighting for their rights.

    This White Subset is completely artificial construct taken out from perfectly normal, nomen omen, normal distribution. Every mono-ethnic society has a normal distributions of various traits like abilities and so on. Some people are smarter than others and society can go on without paying much attention to such trivia and obviousness. Mono-ethnic countries like Germany, Sweden Poland each have their own White Subset and they managed to developed harmonious societies.

    If by some miracle of plastic surgery and skin color engineering we could give African Americans white external phenotype and furthermore make them forget their ethnic identity by some magic pill there would be very good chance that African Americans would become as invisible and as unnoticeable as the White Subset. The White Subset is out there and it does exist yet it does not matter.
     
    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families. I do not believe that assimilation is possible for people of significantly different external phenotype or for Muslims or Buddhist in Europe. Any group if immigrants that can't practice mimicry will not assimilated and will maintain a separate identity. But even mimicry is not sufficient. Jews did practice it but retained separateness and thus never assimilated.

    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families.

    Well, fine. That’s a viewpoint. But again, why get moralistic about it? Personally, I reason that if I were a young man in Syria or Libya, in the current situation, I would also be trying to get to Germany or some other place that would accept me as a refugee.

    That, by the way, is NOT tantamount to saying that Europe should take in all these people. I’m just saying that if you know perfectly well that, in the same situation as them, you would be doing exactly what they are doing, then why express all this venom towards these people?

    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?

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    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?
     
    LOL. Those were calm, rational arguments. Nor were they "moral" arguments. They are perfectly sensible arguments based in societal stability and reduction of conflict.

    Keep in mind that moral = right/wrong as prescription. Uhuru made a pragmatic argument, not one based in subjective premises of good and evil.
    , @utu
    No I see your game Revusky. You are mentally ill provocateur. Nobody wants to talk to you about your crazy crisis actors that you see under your bed so you go around and try to bait people talking about Holocaust or not about immigration. You are a piece of trash.
    , @CanSpeccy


    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families.
     
    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?
     
    It is not reasonable to expect an honest man to offer a calm and rational response to the invasion of his territory by aliens of a difference race and culture.

    Man is a territorial animal. We kill interlopers, or at least we did. One sees that impulse in Russian literature. In Goncharov's novel, Oblamov, for example, a stranger in the village soon ends up dead in a ditch. The same would be happening all over Western Europe and in the US if political correctness were not deeply inculcated from K to 12, and then strictly enforced by police highly paid by a treasonous elite to aid in the elimination of the native-born population as nation group distinguished by both race and culture.

    , @dfordoom

    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?
     
    Political disputes are rarely resolved by calm, rational argument. If you rely on calm, rational argument you can expect to be defeated by an opponent who relies on raw emotion. Most people form their political views on the basis of pure emotion.
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  220. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the article itself:

    First off, the disrespect and bad treatment given to Professor Was still makes one feel somthing that can only be described by a many-syllabled German word, to the effect of "Hey, here's a taste of your own medicine. Now do you still think we are all stupid rednecks?" I don't know much of her work, but almost all in academia, except in the hard sciences and math are not really truth-seekers, and would not stand up for someone who is. You are quite right up the Deans and Dept. heads. They are politicians to the core, and have no integrity whatsoever.

    Next, I have read a number of books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One thing to be learned is that the evil starts with control of the little ones. The things that the Chinese children were brainwashed to do to their OWN PARENTS was sickening, and makes you really understand that a big pillar of Communism is destruction of the family. THE STATE must be made bigger than the family in the eyes of the children. In America, it is called No Stupid Left Behind.

    As doomed as we may seem some mornings, America still has some freedoms left that the elite have forgotten (in my opinion) to work on. I am amazed,in fact, that the Feral Gov't has not threatened the various states into banning home-schooling. It is the biggest way that Americans can poke the Beast in the eye with a big stick (more here and here), over voting, writing their congressrodents, working for cash, up to living off the grid completely.

    Home schooling is illegal in Germany, an innovation, I believe, introduced by Herr Shicklgruber and somehow never reversed

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    Yep, and as I related in this post, linked-to above, German families trying to escape this tyranny have gotten turned away from the US, when trying to immigrate as refugees. Apparently, they were just too white, Christian, and liberty-loving for our overloaded immigration system.
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  221. @CanSpeccy

    And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.
     
    But I quoted you verbatim.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their “present environment” is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.
     
    Well if we turn that around and say that Europeans are "well-adapted" to their present environment, we come to the nonsensical conclusion that a dying race is "well-adapted." That is certainly more absurd than anything that I asserted.

    And when you say:

    Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.
     
    I agree, it is hilarious, since no one ever suggested that evolution proceeds by way of the organism selecting its environment.

    However, organisms do affect their own environment. I hesitate to mention climate change since that is disputed. But it illustrates the principle. Moreover, humans deliberately change (massively), and therefore, select, their own environment. A ruling elite, composed of globalist bankers, for example, might very well select and environment for the masses that destroys them.

    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?

    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?

    I’m sure they do. However, since we’re playing ‘Blockquote’ here, let’s go back to what I wrote ‘up top’.

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest. Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.

    It means what it means. Two statements of highly-probable fact. No connotation of socio-political process was stated, nor intended. Don’t make of it what it is not.

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  222. @grapesoda
    I have no idea what you are babbling about. Please reference an actual instance of this and address that instead of arguing against a straw man.

    I have no idea what you are babbling about.

    So what? Fortunately, the world, objective reality, is not at all constrained by the limits of your understanding.

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  223. @CanSpeccy

    And you wish to adapt my careful wording to fit your definitions.
     
    But I quoted you verbatim.

    Your belief that Europeans are ill-adapted to their “present environment” is absurd, particularly in terms of how evolution selects the human animal for conditions of the physical environment.
     
    Well if we turn that around and say that Europeans are "well-adapted" to their present environment, we come to the nonsensical conclusion that a dying race is "well-adapted." That is certainly more absurd than anything that I asserted.

    And when you say:

    Add-in the notion of intellectual capabilities selecting for political environment? Hilarious.
     
    I agree, it is hilarious, since no one ever suggested that evolution proceeds by way of the organism selecting its environment.

    However, organisms do affect their own environment. I hesitate to mention climate change since that is disputed. But it illustrates the principle. Moreover, humans deliberately change (massively), and therefore, select, their own environment. A ruling elite, composed of globalist bankers, for example, might very well select and environment for the masses that destroys them.

    In an age of automation and artificial intellligence, do you really believe that no one thinks about such things?

    I am terribly sorry, old chap. I keyed a rather voluminous reply, the system swallowed it whole, and it vanished. Perhaps some other time …

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  224. @Carroll Price
    Old news: Jews are born with exceptionally high IQs, non-Jews fall somewhere in the middle, with blacks bringing up the rear.

    You are rating the exceptional, self selecting jews who made it to America. the average Israel IQ is in the low 90′s.

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  225. @Anonymous

    Genes that select/determine “intellectual” configuration are selected for reproductive success, just like all the rest.
     
    Correct - note that higher "intellectual" faculties do NOT necessarily equate success in breeding lots of offspring. See modern U.S. population statistics.

    Thus, any gene or gene-complex that survives, e.g. is selected for reproductive success, is a product of long-term selection processes, in most cases within a niche.
     
    Not necessarily. Some gene-complexes could arise in a very short time (2-3 generations) as a result of random combinations that turn out to have a beneficial effect over and above the sum of the constituent parts.

    Correct – note that higher “intellectual” faculties do NOT necessarily equate success in breeding lots of offspring. See modern U.S. population statistics.

    ?? Relevance?

    Not necessarily. Some gene-complexes could arise in a very short time (2-3 generations) as a result of random combinations that turn out to have a beneficial effect over and above the sum of the constituent parts.

    Via selection in re reproductive success? Unlikely. Can it happen? Sure.

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  226. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN
    I agree that the Bible (both Old and New Testament) contains some really high-class literature, but also some very dull parts. But there is a huge difference. The works of art never pretended to be literally true. The religions do. So, saying that the events in The Lord of the Rings or in Greek drama never happened does not offend anybody. Saying the same thing about the Bible or Koran offends lots of zealots.
    Literature (and other forms of art, like music and painting) embodies profound psychological truths. Just listen to Bach or Albinoni, and you become a better person for a while. But art does not pretend to be historically accurate. Religions do, and that’s the key difference. Like Douglas Adams wrote, every religion will tell you that murder is sin, and will kill you to prove its point. Challenging lies always brings out the worst in their adepts. Just look at the Antifa of the State Department.

    The works of art never pretended to be literally true. The religions do.

    I’m suggesting that advocates of Christianity stop pretending that the Bible is literally true. Most Jews are atheists, but that does not stop them from engaging in their traditional religious observances. Why should it be different for Christians? We learn morality from fiction as much as from history, more so in fact, since few study history. The same can be true of Christianity acknowledged to be a story to live by, not a history. And indeed many Christian priests and theologians have long since abandoned belief in the historical truth of Holy Scripture. What matters is the moral truth, which is in no way dependent on the historical reality.

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    I am all for it, I read the Bible as a book, not the Book, and liked many parts. Try convincing Christians, though. Especially more virulent varieties, like Southern Baptists.
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  227. @Jonathan Revusky

    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families.
     
    Well, fine. That's a viewpoint. But again, why get moralistic about it? Personally, I reason that if I were a young man in Syria or Libya, in the current situation, I would also be trying to get to Germany or some other place that would accept me as a refugee.

    That, by the way, is NOT tantamount to saying that Europe should take in all these people. I'm just saying that if you know perfectly well that, in the same situation as them, you would be doing exactly what they are doing, then why express all this venom towards these people?

    If you're opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?

    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?

    LOL. Those were calm, rational arguments. Nor were they “moral” arguments. They are perfectly sensible arguments based in societal stability and reduction of conflict.

    Keep in mind that moral = right/wrong as prescription. Uhuru made a pragmatic argument, not one based in subjective premises of good and evil.

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    LOL. Those were calm, rational arguments.
     
    Well, actually, he didn't make any specific argument, as far as I can see. He just said he was opposed to the immigration of non-white non-Christian people. And my response to that is that that is perfectly okay.

    You seem to have misunderstood my comment. That may be my fault. I was not referring to anything utu had said specifically. In fact, I meant to say that his anti-immigration viewpoint was perfectly okay.

    I was just referring to the overall tenor of the discussion on these sorts of racialist blogs. There is often a very sanctimonious, moralizing tone in the way these things are discussed.

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  228. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @res

    2. The Bible might be entirely revamped, without miracles and angels, etc. Leo Tolstoy did that with the gospels, but frankly his gospel makes dull reading. Such dreary stuff will never fly.
     
    Interesting. I did not know Tolstoy did that: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Gospel_in_Brief/summary

    Thomas Jefferson did something similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

    Thank you for the link to the Jefferson Bible, of which I was not aware.

    Tolstoy’s gospel was, in my view, his greatest literary mistake. A great imaginative artist who could give life to a story of the supernatural, took the gospel story and gutted it of every imaginative ornament and contrivance that makes it fascinating.

    What after all could be more fascinating that the story of the creator of the universe appearing on Earth in the form of child, born to a humble girl, in a stable, with sheep and lowing oxen, but heralded by a super nova in the East, and attended on by kings.

    It’s a story to give one goose bumps. And the fact that it’s a re-telling of a story that had been told and retold for thousands of years before the birth of Christ, confirms its power to capture the human heart. So yes, Tolstoy completely blew it, which is why almost no one today knows of his gospel re-write.

    Tolstoy made the additional blunder in asserting that the essence of the gospel was its presentation of Christian morality. That is bunk. There is no specifically Christian morality. Christian morality is simply the golden rule, a rule as old as man, and indeed older. The story of Christ is not to tell people what to do, which in their hearts they already know. It is a story to inspire people to do what they know they should do.

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    Tolstoy did not have an instrumental approach to Christianity as you do have. Perhaps you should lay off from the subject of Christianity of which you know nothing.
    , @Carroll Price
    "If a man today followed the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he followed the teachings of the New, he would be insane." -- Robert G. Ingersoll
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  229. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I think your theory of mind regarding utu and his intentions are quite off. He's become one of my favorite commentators for a reason.

    Yeah…you’re both round-earthers.

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  230. @res

    Or, maybe, if you flip them all to (+), you become super-intelligent but also super-insane.
     
    I basically agree with you, but think there is a decent chance you would just be dead thanks to some unexpected interaction (e.g. an undetected case of heterozygote advantage where homozygous recessive is fatal, something like Tay-Sachs disease is thought to be).

    There is a decent argument made that simple genetic "spell checking" (e.g. removing all low frequency alleles that have negative IQ coefficients) would be likely to be purely positive. However, your point still applies there.

    Or we could go off into the philosophical deep end and wonder whether if there was a large enough group of beyond super brilliant math majors they would seem more sane and we would seem less so.

    P.S. You probably know this already, but the person who wrote the excerpts I gave is another Caltech physics undergrad--Steve Hsu.

    res wrote to me:

    I basically agree with you, but think there is a decent chance you would just be dead thanks to some unexpected interaction (e.g. an undetected case of heterozygote advantage where homozygous recessive is fatal, something like Tay-Sachs disease is thought to be).

    Yeah. There is an overarching general point here: if evolution has not made us super-intelligent (or super-tall or super-muscular or whatever), there is a good chance that this is because the cost of that “benefit” outweighs the actual benefit. That may not always be true, but it is a good bet.

    res also wrote:

    Or we could go off into the philosophical deep end and wonder whether if there was a large enough group of beyond super brilliant math majors they would seem more sane and we would seem less so.

    Well… maybe. Although these super-bright math guys were pretty clearly dysfunctional by fairly objective criteria.

    I am of course aware of the fact that we physicists stand next to the math guys in being towards the Asperger’s end of the spectrum. In fact, Simon Baron-Cohen, an expert on autism, has suggested that all theoretical physicists basically have Asperger’s except some of us do not meet the technical definition since we do manage to function in society. (See Baron-Cohen’s The Essential Difference for a detailed discussion of a number of famous physicists.) Baron-Cohen also has an amusing anecdote in the book about the famous mathematician Richard Borcherds that nicely illustrates the same traits I saw among the brilliant math majors at Caltech.

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  231. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I want to clarify that I am strongly against any immigration to Europe of people who are different in external phenotype or who did not grow up in Christian culture or families.
     
    Well, fine. That's a viewpoint. But again, why get moralistic about it? Personally, I reason that if I were a young man in Syria or Libya, in the current situation, I would also be trying to get to Germany or some other place that would accept me as a refugee.

    That, by the way, is NOT tantamount to saying that Europe should take in all these people. I'm just saying that if you know perfectly well that, in the same situation as them, you would be doing exactly what they are doing, then why express all this venom towards these people?

    If you're opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?

    No I see your game Revusky. You are mentally ill provocateur. Nobody wants to talk to you about your crazy crisis actors that you see under your bed so you go around and try to bait people talking about Holocaust or not about immigration. You are a piece of trash.

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    How does this have anything to do with anything I just said? All I was saying was, by all means discuss these questions and by all means oppose immigration, fine. By all means say that blacks are congenitally stupid, if that's what you believe. But I personally don't relate to all this moralistic undertone, that's all.

    As for crisis actors and the rest of that, in my view (note that I only speak for myself) a sensible person should not want to waste his time talking about fake things as if they were real. As in:

    Fake school shootings, fake church shootings, fake fag bar shootings, fake asshole cartoonist shootings... Fake Osama bin Laden shooting...

    Fake victims, fake friends and family of victims, fake witnesses to things that never happened...

    Fake political dissidents (who are really actors), fake jihadists, fake investigative journalists...

    Fake economic statistics, fake economic recovery...

    Fake poison gas attacks... Fake rape epidemics,... (Sweden is the rape capital of the world! LOL!)

    All of this is the Roger Rabbit mental world. Plato's cave. So much of what we are presented is clearly utterly fake! It's just a question of opening one's eyes. And thinking.

    It's understandable that you and others get get infuriated at me for pointing out that all sorts of things are simply not real. It's Plato's cave. You know nothing else and to realize the truth is just too painful. Cognitive dissonance.

    I get it. The red pill is hard to swallow.

    Still, I don't think that everybody wants to have conversations based around things that are laughably fake. More and more people are catching on. Things are reaching a certain tipping point maybe. That's why YouTube needed to remove all the videos that showed how fake these synthetic events with crisis actors are.

    Time to wake up...
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  232. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy
    Thank you for the link to the Jefferson Bible, of which I was not aware.

    Tolstoy's gospel was, in my view, his greatest literary mistake. A great imaginative artist who could give life to a story of the supernatural, took the gospel story and gutted it of every imaginative ornament and contrivance that makes it fascinating.

    What after all could be more fascinating that the story of the creator of the universe appearing on Earth in the form of child, born to a humble girl, in a stable, with sheep and lowing oxen, but heralded by a super nova in the East, and attended on by kings.

    It's a story to give one goose bumps. And the fact that it's a re-telling of a story that had been told and retold for thousands of years before the birth of Christ, confirms its power to capture the human heart. So yes, Tolstoy completely blew it, which is why almost no one today knows of his gospel re-write.

    Tolstoy made the additional blunder in asserting that the essence of the gospel was its presentation of Christian morality. That is bunk. There is no specifically Christian morality. Christian morality is simply the golden rule, a rule as old as man, and indeed older. The story of Christ is not to tell people what to do, which in their hearts they already know. It is a story to inspire people to do what they know they should do.

    Tolstoy did not have an instrumental approach to Christianity as you do have. Perhaps you should lay off from the subject of Christianity of which you know nothing.

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    Tolstoy did not have an instrumental approach to Christianity as you do have. Perhaps you should lay off from the subject of Christianity of which you know nothing.
     
    As if all the great Christian churches do not have an instrumental approach to Christianity. As if Constantine adopted Christianity out of mere spirituality? As if Prince Vladimir adopted Christianity out of mere spirituality. As if the Vikings converted to Christianity out of mere spirituality.

    Anyway, what sense is there in any religion other than in its instrumentality. Is not Christian faith the means to salvation and eternal life? Obviously the creed is designed to gain converts by making faith a means to an end. It's that kind instrumentality that has gained Christianity a bad name — as a racket that exploits the simple-minded

    But anyhow, you seem to be suffering a mood swing so I will refrain from further discussion on the topic of the sociology of religion and religious instrumentality, about which you seem to know little.

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  233. @Steve Gittelson

    If you’re opposed to immigration, why not just lay out the arguments in a calm, rational way?
     
    LOL. Those were calm, rational arguments. Nor were they "moral" arguments. They are perfectly sensible arguments based in societal stability and reduction of conflict.

    Keep in mind that moral = right/wrong as prescription. Uhuru made a pragmatic argument, not one based in subjective premises of good and evil.

    LOL. Those were calm, rational arguments.

    Well, actually, he didn’t make any specific argument, as far as I can see. He just said he was opposed to the immigration of non-white non-Christian people. And my response to that is that that is perfectly okay.

    You seem to have misunderstood my comment. That may be my fault. I was not referring to anything utu had said specifically. In fact, I meant to say that his anti-immigration viewpoint was perfectly okay.

    I was just referring to the overall tenor of the discussion on these sorts of racialist blogs. There is often a very sanctimonious, moralizing tone in the way these things are discussed.

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